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Hello, it's Monday.

What a Monday it is after the big MAGA march, which was fantastic.

Just so happy to see all of these people out.

Unfortunately, there was violence.

The media...

There wasn't a million people and the ones that were there, they were violent.

No, they actually weren't, but there was violence.

We talked about it today and kind of got into a little tiff, I guess, with some of the listeners who think I'm wrong about violence and the use of violence.

I don't know.

You decide.

Also, I set Stu off today.

You're welcome, America.

Had him talk a little bit about Andrew Cuomo.

That's all you have to really say is Andrew Cuomo, and that sets me off.

What Andrew Cuomo is doing in New York now, I mean, as you said on the air,

Stu,

I didn't think he could make things worse.

He just has.

Yep.

He just has.

We have that.

Also, Alan Dershowitz talks about the path to victory for Donald Trump, which was shocking to me.

Absolutely shocking.

I think you'll be shocked as well.

All that and more on today's podcast.

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Have you been reading up in the Dominion software stuff?

Yeah, I've heard some of it.

Again, it'll be interesting to see what they can come up with.

You know,

it's a tough road, but I think they're going to do everything they can, and they luckily have lots of resources to do it.

I keep reading that everything's been debunked with Dominion software.

It's all completely and thoroughly debunked.

And yet I haven't seen any debunking about it.

Will you do me a favor?

Let me see if I can pull this up real quick.

I want you to go to

the Dominion Wikipedia page

and just look for the

recent changes.

Okay.

Here's what I find interesting.

The stuff that has removed

or has been changed

all in just, let me see if I can go for the next 100.

There are,

what is that?

Okay, so there's at least 75.

There's, look at this.

This is all the changes just

in November.

Look at this.

November 16th, all of these changes were made to their page, deleting stuff.

Do you see this?

There's got to be 75 changes

that have been

made.

And

the American Thinker has come out with

some things where they were at the page before things were deleted.

For instance, the origins of dominion in Venezuela and with Cuba, gone now.

If you look at the...

You look at the things that have been deleted and a lot of them, I mean, this is all coming from the left editing out.

I mean, Wikipedia is is bogus, but all of a sudden there was this great interest to make sure that some of this stuff didn't appear on Wikipedia at all.

One of the interesting things about the Dominion thing, I think, is that it was really the left who were pushing that for a long time.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

2019.

Yeah, that was a very good thing.

And so last year they were saying that.

Here's the problem.

Here's the problem.

If you tweet right now

that

just that story, that the Democrats were all over it, you will be flagged by Twitter.

Oh my gosh.

That this is in dispute.

Unreal.

Excuse me.

This is the video of the Democrats saying that.

I mean, it is absolutely amazing.

By the way, that's why we're switching over to Parlor.

I just started an account.

Apparently, there's several Glenn Becks on Parlor.

I've been saying all sorts of stuff under your name for a while.

I know there.

People hate you.

I saw one.

Somebody sent one to me and said,

you effing Trump supporters just need to.

It was like, so clearly not me.

But people were like, is this Glenn Beck?

Is he drinking again?

The answer to that one is.

I wish.

Oh, they had you say you yelling at effing Trumping supporters?

Yeah.

That's an odd choice.

That would be an odd choice.

That would be an odd choice.

Yeah.

But anyway, we're over there.

And I'm going to take a, we're just going to take a random selection of anybody who signs up today and comes over to Parlor and follows me on Parlor.

You'll get one of two three-year subscriptions to Blaze TV.

Three years.

Oh, okay.

Three years.

That's great.

It's a prison sentence when I tell you that Stu is on that program.

Yeah, he's on Blaze TV.

So is Pat Gray Unleashed, by the way.

Which is like a lessening of that prison sentence, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, I would.

So you two are ganging up against me on this one.

Yep, yep.

You got it.

You got it.

So, Pat,

what is in your pipe that you want to smoke?

I'm trying not to smoke anymore.

I've been doing too much of that.

You know, like you, I was talking extensively today about the Million Man March that wasn't a million people.

There were nowhere near a million people.

Wow.

The crazy.

You remember the Million Man March that had about 18 people?

Nobody said man.

But the violence that was perpetrated, because all day long, the Trump supporters were completely peaceful.

What were they doing?

They were singing songs and waving flags, and they were having a good time, and they were getting along with each other.

And then as soon as the evening came and the Antifa people and the BLM people came out and started sucker punching

and going after moms who were pushing their kids in strollers.

And

it was just incredible.

Incredible.

It's just unbelievable to me how, and nobody cares.

CNN's not covering that.

MSNBC is not covering that.

It just didn't happen, according to them.

That is the greatest thing.

They really truly believe if they don't publish it, it didn't happen.

And in some cases, it's kind of true.

It is true now that they have control of social media.

Now that social media is controlling things,

did you see that

there is a new poll out that shows people who voted for Biden, when they're informed about the questions of Biden and Hunter in China, say they wouldn't have voted for Joe Biden?

You see that?

I mean, if that's not election fraud,

I don't know what is.

I mean,

how do you possibly fight things?

I don't, honestly, I don't know

where to post truth.

I can't go to Fox News.

Did you see the Fox News reporter this weekend that was going up?

Yeah, can we play this?

This is amazing.

What do you want to have happen with those 700,000 votes?

The ballots are already

on.

We're buying sure that conversation happens.

You're trying to say this is done and over.

I'm not.

I'm asking.

I'm not done and over.

It's done and over.

I'm asking where you're going to find the votes to pull ahead.

Where are the votes to pull ahead?

This is now my third time to try to get this answer out.

The legal path ahead exists here because there are clear constitutional violations that have

snirking.

You know, making no hands and rolling your eyes, Lilith.

I get it.

I get it.

Here I spent years trying to rub a Russia hoax against

it.

Stop.

I can't listen anymore.

That's every bit a CNN interview.

It is.

Every bit.

Fox is gone.

If you are still listening to Fox, I mean, honestly, the only place I can go now on TV

is us,

Newsmax.

I mean, I just, I use us.

I don't know who else to go to that I feel like really will tell the truth, even if I don't like it.

I mean, where do you go?

There is no there's no place to watch.

Yeah, except here.

Yeah.

Except here.

And where are the votes going to come from?

To answer Leland's question, who I've never seen before, I don't know who that guy is.

Are you familiar with him?

No.

I don't think I've ever seen him before.

No, I stopped watching Fox, though, like

two years ago, three years ago.

But in answer to his question of where the Trump votes are going to come from, they're going to come from vote switching, if that did happen with the Dominion machines.

They're going to come from dead people not voting.

They're going to come from people not voting twice or 20 times or 30 times.

That's where the Trump votes come from.

I think the Dominion thing is really interesting.

Did you see, by the way, I was with Mary Lautermilk on Friday, and

we were talking about what's happening in Georgia.

He's the senator from Georgia.

And we were talking about what's happening in Georgia.

And he said the AG in Georgia is out of control.

He's a Republican, but has been negotiating with Democrats without consulting the Republicans at all.

And

he said

there was a report before the election, like a week before or two weeks before the election, from door knockers for Trump up in these very, very Democratic areas in Pennsylvania.

And they were going door to door and they were talking about Trump.

And this Democratic area has now become very pro-Trump.

And so it's a lot of people who are on the Democratic rolls.

but now are voting for Donald Trump.

And they were told

by several houses that they were getting calls from the Democratic Party telling them they were going to send them a Georgia ballot that they could vote in Georgia.

And they were like, no, but I've never been to Georgia.

I don't live in Georgia.

I've never, and they were like, no, it's okay now.

You can, we're going to send it to you.

You can vote.

Okay.

Now,

okay.

So this was reported to the Attorney General of,

or the

Secretary of State, I think, of Georgia.

Yeah.

And

he didn't investigate it.

Not a single, according to all the people underneath him.

He didn't even make a phone call to follow up.

And Lautermilk himself, I believe, was one of them that reported it and said, you know, you got to at least check into it.

He didn't make a single phone call, nothing, according to all the people involved and people in his office.

He may be forced to resign for dereliction of duty.

We don't know if that happened, but you have to

a serious crime reported before the election and you did nothing?

Yeah.

Yeah, Lautermo's in the house, by the way.

Not a Senate.

Oh, he's in the House.

Did you also see that we've, I mean, speaking of the House,

it looks like we're going to have a net gain of,

well, Republicans are going to have a net gain of 10 congressmen.

Yeah.

It looks like at least.

Yeah, I mean,

this is what's, I mean, look, a lot of people are bringing this up is like, this is one of the things I think that people are questioning on the whole fraud thing because the Republicans did really well in these elections.

Like, much better than expected overall.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It looks like Democrats are going to have potentially the smallest House margin since like World War II when it comes to

this type of scenario where they're, I mean, when you win, when you knock out an incumbent president, if that's wind up, winds up being what happens here,

that you usually have a big margin.

I mean, look at Obama came in with this massive margin, right?

Control of the House and the Senate and 60 senators.

Remember this?

Yeah.

Like this, we are in a totally different world.

I mean, as much as the Democrats want to say that the American people are with them, the American people keep saying over and over again.

No, we're not.

No, we're not.

Yeah, but here's the, again, the problem that I have is you're telling me that Joe Biden got how many millions of votes more than Barack Obama did in 08?

Well, that would be consistent with a very high-intensity election election on both sides.

Do you remember 08?

That was

a high-intensity element.

It was a watershed.

It was.

And again, there was the same type of thing where John McCain had very little

momentum behind him or very little interest.

And I think the same is true with Biden.

I think, though, that Donald Trump after four years is very much a part of everyone's life.

Everyone has a strong opinion on him.

And so I think the motivation for the left to come out in droves was to get him out of office.

I mean, they're burning down cities over the guy.

You know, they had a lot of passion to get him out of office.

And those don't usually look to me like the ones who go and vote, though.

It's not like they take off their mask and like, I'm going to be a responsible citizen now.

Incredibly well organized.

Yeah, no, they are.

And remember, it's not just Antifa members burning down cities.

Yeah.

These are this had gone much, much more widespread.

And remember, there were massive riots and rallies before the cities started burning down.

I want to leave you with one thing.

ATT reportedly is shopping CNN.

Selling at the high point, I guess.

Selling it.

Yeah, they like to buy high, sell low.

So it looks like, and

one of the investors,

somebody who they're targeting,

Jeff Bezos of the Washington Post.

Oh, that's going to

things aren't going to get better.

It's going to get more fair.

Things are not going to get better.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Mr.

Alan Dershowitz joins us now.

He is a professor emeritus of Harvard Law School and a host of The Dirse Show,

wherever you get your podcast.

Alan Dershowitz, welcome.

Well, thank you so much, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

So tell me what your thoughts are on the election and

how it's being handled right now.

Well, there are two kinds of lawsuits.

There are the wholesale and the retail.

The wholesale sale is reflected in the Pennsylvania case, where you have a legal challenge, a crystal clear legal challenge.

The legislature said that ballots that are submitted before Election Day have to be received before the end of Election Day.

The The courts said no.

There are three extra days.

The Constitution says only the legislature can make those decisions, not the courts.

So that's a clean, clear, wholesale constitutional issue that the Supreme Court could resolve in a week.

The case has already been filed in the Supreme Court.

It just has to be re-filed.

And I think this Supreme Court would probably rule in favor of President Trump on that issue.

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

How did somebody rule against the Constitution is clear.

It's the legislature.

And they didn't the Supreme Court already rule in another case

that the legislature had to do it and not the state officials?

Yeah, in Bush versus Gore, they kind of suggested that.

And

there was a 4-4 vote previously on the Pennsylvania case.

And Justice Alito

asked demanded that the votes that came in late after the close of Election Day had to be segregated, strongly implying that the court would rule in that direction.

Look, there is a legal argument on the other side.

The legal argument would go something like this.

Of course, the Constitution says the legislature has to do it, but traditionally courts interpret legislation.

The answer to that is this wasn't really an interpretation.

This was an expansion in light of COVID, and probably the court would rule that that expansion would have to come from the legislative, not the judicial branch.

But the question is, does that get him enough votes?

Right now, it seems like he may be as much as 60,000 votes behind.

So the number of disputed ballots under this particular law has to exceed 60,000 before it could turn around the election.

Now, if you combine that wholesale attack with some retail attacks, by retail, I mean, you know, a few fraudulent ballots here and there, dead people voting, people who moved out of the state voting.

You could conceivably get to a point where the Pennsylvania vote would go the other way.

Now, you'd need more than that, because the goal of the Trump legal team is not to give Trump 270 votes.

That's out of the question.

The goal is to keep Biden from getting 270 so that the election is thrown into the House of Representatives.

The way to stop Biden from getting 270, according to the legal team, would be to have challenges in enough states, Pennsylvania, Georgia, maybe Arizona, Nevada, to bring him from 305 to 268, 267.

If he doesn't get 270, it goes to the House, and the House votes by delegation.

That is, each state gets one vote, and there are now more Republican delegations.

than there are Democratic delegations.

So that's the theory.

I'm not saying I'm advocating it.

I'm not saying I think it will win.

I'm just telling you that's the only route to victory at this point that I can see.

Wow.

So Alan, you're saying that the Trump legal team says that their theory is they cannot get to 270 electoral votes?

I'm just speculating.

I don't see how they could get affirmatively to 270, but they don't need it.

All they need is to stop Biden from getting 270.

That's the key.

That's what happened in 1824 in the Andrew Jackson, John Quincy Adams matter.

It's what happened essentially when we had the Tilden Hayes dispute.

There are three instances in the 19th century where something like this happened.

And then, of course, if you follow through the Jackson Adams 1824, what happens?

Jackson loses that, even though he won the popular and the electoral vote.

And then for the next four years, he campaigned against, quote, the corrupt bargain.

And he wins in 1828 and serves for eight years.

So

let me

go over this again with you.

So

he just needs to bring

Biden down to 269 even.

Right.

And then it goes to the House.

And the House,

they use delegations.

It's not just a straight vote.

So

how is that selected?

What does that mean?

Every delegation, say take Georgia.

It may have, I don't know, 18, 12, 13, whatever members of Congress.

If there are more Republican members of Congress from Georgia than Democrats, then the state gets to cast its vote for the Republican candidate.

And the vote, all it needs is 51 states.

So if you win 5149

in the House of Representatives,

then,

or in that case, it would be in the House of Representatives, no, you'd have 50 states, so you'd have to win 26 votes.

And if you get 26 votes, you elect the president.

And that happened in the past.

Thomas Jefferson was elected by the House of Representatives, not by the Electoral College.

How do you stop?

I mean, how did they stop civil war at that point?

The Constitution doesn't provide for that.

In fact, we had a civil war in 1860, thus the Constitution didn't provide for that.

I would hope good sense, common sense would prevail and neither side would resort to arms.

But I suspect that if you had that situation, there would be some violence.

I have no doubt about that.

Alan, you say to try to lower Biden from 306 to, say, 269,

those electoral votes then don't ⁇ what would happen to those?

If you're saying they're not affirmatively going to get Trump over

270, what happens to those electoral votes?

The Electoral College becomes irrelevant.

The Constitution puts the Electoral College aside and says we now have it in the House of Representatives.

So the Electoral College vote is a null and void.

Okay.

Wow.

Okay.

So hang on just a second.

Those cases, wouldn't they be decided?

I mean, during Bush v.

Gore,

the Supreme Court made decisive moves

that really sewed it up before

the states had to send their Electoral College.

Yep.

Had they not done that, had the Supreme Court deferred its decision,

the case might have gone, the matter might have gone to the House of Representatives because neither candidate would have gotten 270.

And that's what happened in the three 19th century elections that I referred to, actually four, Jefferson as well, that no candidate, remember in those days, you'd have four or or five candidates running.

In 1824, you had Henry Clay, you had somebody else, you had, so I think there were five candidates, and they divided the electoral vote.

Jackson got the most votes, but he didn't get half.

According to the Constitution, you need a clear majority.

If you don't get a clear majority, it goes to the House.

So,

one more on this.

So, if the courts

behooves

if you want this, and I think this would be really

a powder keg that I wouldn't want to see lit.

But if you wanted this to happen, it would behoove you then to

file late or to keep the courts somehow or another tied up.

Is that right?

Because after, what, the 13th of December, are you saying that then it just automatically triggers?

You don't have to file late.

Remember, the wholesale suits can be decided on legal principles without a trial.

But if you claim there were 10,000 invalid ballots, or if you follow

what

Sidney Powell said yesterday on Fox News, and you challenge the computer, saying the computers turned many votes that were supposed to be for Trump to Biden, that's the argument.

If you make that argument, you have to prove it.

Because that's an evidentiary argument, and that requires a trial.

And if the court set down for trial

all the challenged ballots in four or five states, you might accomplish that purpose because you couldn't have a trial and a result probably between now and mid-December.

So you don't have to delay.

All you have to do is ask for a trial.

And under the Seventh Amendment to the Constitution, you have a right to trial by jury in any cases that were tried by jury at common law.

So it becomes very complicated.

Look, if I were teaching at Harvard now, again, I stopped teaching five years ago, I retired,

I would be teaching an entire seminar on this election.

It raises so many intriguing constitutional questions.

I'm not advocating any particular result.

I'm just giving you my constitutional analysis.

The odds you think this might happen?

Very low.

You'd need a perfect storm.

You'd need enough states where there were enough challenges to make the difference and so that the courts would refuse or the secretaries of state, some of which are Republican, would refuse to certify the votes so that the electors could be chosen.

It would require a perfect squarm of both judicial, electoral, and political considerations to come together.

And the odds are very low.

But it's the only possible road that President Trump has to victory, and it's a very unlikely one.

Which leads me to believe that he should.

I'm not suggesting he secede or or concede.

I'm not suggesting that he stop his challenges, but I am strongly suggesting that he allow cooperation with the transition team because the likely outcome is going to be President Biden on January 20th.

And if that is likely, there's no good reason why the transition can't go forward while the challenges are still being made and no concession is offered.

The media says says that once they call an election, they call an election.

But they don't call it.

Yeah, they don't call the election.

This is just a

Biden is not officially the president-elect until and unless enough states certify the election result or the other candidate concedes.

You don't get a president-elect through CNN or through Fox or through MSNBC.

You get a presumptive president.

You call it what you want, but it's a media term.

Legally, the president-elect is picked only when those two circumstances are met.

That is sufficient state-certified, or the other side concedes neither of those things has happened yet.

And

when you look at what the media is also saying about this is

unheard of, that we don't do things like this in America, we've done we've asked for recounts and we have challenged elections not necessarily in

the modern era or the late modern era as much as we did in the first

150 years, right?

That's right.

But we have also, Bush versus Gore was a direct challenge.

Look, I don't condemn the lawyers for doing this.

I got an email the other day asking me to sign a petition to disbar the lawyers who are raising these issues.

Just nonsense.

You know, people wanted to disbar me because I defended President Trump on the floor of the United States Senate.

You don't disbar lawyers for doing their job.

I don't condemn the lawyers who are raising these arguments.

They may lose, they may win.

Even I've lost some cases.

You know, that's what happens.

You don't always win your cases.

You try your best to win.

Look, every day I've been dealing with this complicated issue on my show, The Dirt Show, and I've been getting these intriguing calls from people coming up with interesting ideas for how to deal with this from both sides of the aisle, from the Democratic side and the Republican side.

And

it's a fascinating issue.

I think in the end, the victories that Trump receives will be Tyrrhic victories.

He'll receive some victories.

Pennsylvania may be other places, but they probably won't be enough to stop Vice President Biden from hitting the magic 270.

Alan Dershowitz, always great to talk to you, sir.

Thank you very much.

You can find Alan Dershowitz.

You can follow him on Twitter at alan dirsch or you can uh find him on the dirsh show uh that is a podcast wherever you get your podcast thank you alan dershowitz

this is the best of the glenbeck program

we go now to mr

elijah schaefer

uh who is of course part of uh blaze tv he's the blaze tv host of slightly offensive uh and just slightly.

I've never seen anything offensive at all.

You know, Elijah.

I don't know why I keep saying he's slightly offensive.

Anyway, he was there at the DC Million MAGA march,

and he has this to report.

Hello, Elijah.

Hello, Glenn and Stuart.

How are you guys doing?

Good.

Are you still in DC?

You know, I just got back to Dallas.

Thank God.

That is definitely a swamp, so I'm happy to be home.

Yeah, good.

So tell me about the march.

You know, despite reports, I know when I woke up, there was already disinformation.

People were taking pictures at 7 a.m.

saying that there was a low turnout.

People were uploading black and white pictures of Nazi Germany saying that, you know, these were some low-res images of people gathering.

I mean, that was no shocker there, but by about 10 o'clock, you already saw maybe 10,000 or more people gathering together, and the group had gotten so large that I didn't realize how big it was until not only could I not find my team, but we couldn't even get a hold of each other because self-service completely stopped working in the area.

There were families, every type of group that was out there, despite reports, it was not full of militias and proud boys and different groups that they want to try to use to say that these are who were leading the event.

Some of these people were there.

I have no problem with them at all.

But this was 95 to 99 percent, just families, people who love America, chanting USA, waving American flags, giving a lot of love.

There was every race, sexual orientation there.

This was a march of unity, a march of love.

And when they talk about a time to heal, these are the people that I would trust to do that.

So

we were just having a discussion, and the audience may be upset with me

because I believe marches are to change people's hearts.

It's not for the individual to march.

It's not for

anything else.

It's to send a message.

And you are sending a message of support to Donald Trump, but you are also sending a message to the American people.

Now, whether they see that or not through the media doesn't matter.

And we know that the media is

actually

not effective anymore.

People are seeing through their lies.

And so when somebody is

attacked, do you believe I believe it is absolutely their right

to defend themselves?

But are you more of a Martin Luther King guy or

not?

No,

I know as a member of the press, I have to be a little bit more careful not to fight back because when it comes to especially right-wing media, they want us to seem like we're violent or agitators.

And so I try to de-escalate as much as possible.

But it is in the rights of Americans to defend themselves.

And I will say this,

earlier on in the day, I recorded multiple assaults.

Anti-Trump protesters were targeting individuals.

I've actually recorded at least four arrests of anti-Trump protesters.

What were they doing, Elijah?

Throwing full water bottles at the heads of Trump supporters walking by, throwing rocks, projectiles,

and including one individual who was, you know, he was a white liberal Biden supporter.

This is how it always is.

I mean, mean, your listeners know he was a white liberal Biden supporter.

He had anti-Trump signs talking about Biden, yelling insults and derogatory slurs at a first-generation Mexican-American immigrant woman,

you know, who she

told you.

It is totally upside down.

Well, yeah, and we know, and that's what this is.

And I asked him, hey, man, so what are you out here doing?

And he immediately assaulted me by smashing his bicycle up against me and hitting me in the head with his bike helmet on, head-butting me.

And I'm just going to say this.

When the media says that the Trump supporters were inciting violence, I guess they meant asking people questions, walking down the street.

I mean, at this point to the media, Trump supporters can do no right.

And I think that's why they took matters into their own hands, because police, I...

I'll tell you this, you know, with some connections in the police department, police were in some way standing down.

They were looking more for ways to cite cite or to keep a zero tolerance policy to keep Trump supporters in line.

And I can definitely tell you the police were not helping Trump supporters who were getting attacked.

In fact, when Trump supporters would get surrounded by Black Lives Matter activists and Antifa, even when they were one half block away from their hotel, the police would block them and make them go back around through the lines of the anti-Trump protesters.

So police were coercing

the Trump supporters into the the line of attack.

So if you're putting in that position where law enforcement isn't protecting you and you're forced to go through an area of antagonism, if you don't have the right to defend yourself, then what right do you have?

Wow,

that's really bad.

That is really bad.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it, Elijah.

All of his

about all of his video, everything, you can see it on Blaze TV or BlazetheBlaze.com, our news site.

And I urge you you to

watch it.

It's an interesting conversation.

Going back to our previous one, because you mentioned this here, and I don't think you said this before.

Is it morally justifiable for you to defend yourself when you're in the middle of a march and being attacked?

It is my God-given right to defend myself at all times.

I don't care if I'm standing next to the Pope.

If the Pope starts to assault me, it's my God-given right to defend myself.

The Pope has a really nasty left uppercut.

Have you seen that?

Have you ever seen This guy, right?

Oh, yeah.

This guy's not only a socialist, but he's a fighter.

As if those things are more in opposition to each other.

But like, you're saying that it's not

a question of moral justification.

It's a question of the best strategy

to accomplish your goals.

So

if you're in the march, see, I even separate the people that he said as they were going to their hotels, police blocked them in.

They needed to get through.

They were being forced to go through a hostile crowd.

Well, I don't recommend that you take them on, but

I would do everything I could to escape.

But if you have to defend yourself there to get out, that's fine.

But in the march, in the march, if somebody is doing something, you are part of a group that is trying

to have a well-crafted narrative.

And that narrative is aimed right to that suburban woman who is seeing things go on in her area, believes the press, has no reason to doubt.

You need the videos

that appeal to her, where she sees the truth.

How many times have you met somebody who said, you know, when the Kavanaugh thing happened, I started really paying attention and

I started doing my own homework and I started listening to other people.

That's what a march is for, is to get them one image, one thing that makes them say,

I wonder what this is about because I don't think this isn't reflecting the violence that everybody is saying it is.

That's what happened with BLM.

The media was saying they're not violent.

They're not violent.

They're not violent.

Well, everybody could see they were.

Soon as the night went down, it was violence.

And they could see that.

And so they started doing their own thinking and their own work.

That's the point of these marches.

The media is doing the opposite to these marches and to any Trump supporter that they're doing to Black Lives Matter.

The people saw for themselves and they refused to deny what their eyes told them.

So you need to be extraordinarily disciplined.

Look, this is not my strategy.

This is Gandhi, Martin Luther King.

And so it is morally, absolutely right.

And you're justified to defend yourself.

You are.

Somebody throwing rocks at your head.

If you're in fear for your life or you're in danger, you have every right to defend yourself morally.

I'm talking strategically.

Because it's interesting because you can, I think, hear in Elijah him making that same choice in a different area.

Because Elijah would be absolutely morally justified to fight back himself as a human being when he's attacked.

But as he said, I have to be very careful about that because of conservative media and they will paint all conservative media members as hate-mongering, violent people if I do that.

So he holds back and doesn't do that.

The question is, I guess, whether that's the message you're trying to send or not.

Because if

I'm not in charge of these marches, so you know, I'm saying on a personal level, making that choice.

Yeah,

I mean,

if I were doing these marches,

I would do what we did in

Birmingham.

And everybody said, why are you doing this?

We had you take

the pledge of nonviolence from Martin Luther King to march with us.

I didn't do it because we were going to come under attack.

I did it to start planting the seeds that that's the kind of discipline you're going to need in the future.

And

here we are.

I want to make it really clear.

We're trying to save the country.

So we fight in the courts.

We fight every legal means that we can possibly do.

We fight online.

We fight for our children in schools.

We stand up.

I am not saying that you become soft or you're not outspoken.

You must be outspoken.

You have to stand.

You have to stand.

There are no sidelines here.

But a march

is a strategic event.

And you have to understand the strategy of what that's trying to do.

That's one piece of a strategy to save your country.

And if someone, if these, if Antifa came to my house and they were going to come to my house,

I'm going to use my God-given right because they're attacking my house.

And if it means I go to jail like that couple in Georgia may go to jail, well, so be it.

They had every right to stand.

Was it Georgia?

St.

Louis.

Yeah.

St.

Louis.

They had every right to stand in front of their house and say, get

out of my property.

You're climbing over the fence.

We're in fear for our life.

They had every right to defend themselves.

You're threatening me and my house.

You're threatening my country.

I'm going to stand.

You take my country.

You take my country.

I'm going to stand.

It's true.

You know, it's interesting because I think it is a difficult battle for people to wage because people will look at this and say, like, I'm sick of this.

I'm sick of, I'm sick of people pushing me around.

But if you look at like one of the probably the best

the most successful conservative sort of one of these stories that's worked out on the right side of truth here was probably Nicholas Sandman, right?

I mean, to the extent that he's extracted millions of dollars from major media organizations.

And the reason was there was absolutely no doubt what he did was right because he just stood there and he took insults.

People were, people, I mean, remember, people were saying all sorts of terrible things about him.

Guy getting in his face and he stood there without doing anything.

And that strategically.

Strategically.

It was the right thing to do.

And I don't know.

In that moment, I don't know what he was thinking, but I mean, he didn't cross that line.

It's a difficult balance because, you know, I mean, as a human being,

you have those real emotions and

those real battles, I think, internally.

How do you handle those?

Because you're not going to be able to keep

a giant group from having some people who break those

king did.

King was able to that but he had to largely do that he had he had marchers that were captains he had everybody broken down to like a certain number of people per captain and that captain marched with

in the line with their with his you know 25 or 50 people and he was and that captain was stay in line stay in line stay in line as they were shouting things throwing things at them stay in line and it is only because they were willing to be.

Look, this didn't work in Germany because they lost their faith in Christ.

The Judeo-Christian values were lost in Germany.

And that's when you had Bonhoeffer stand up, who was a pacifist and a preacher, said Jesus is the way to go.

Gandhi is the way to go.

But he changed because the people had lost Christ.

We haven't lost Christ.

Gandhi knew he was fighting against England and the Judeo-Christian world that understood the peacemaker.

That's why he was successful.

We're not in a position where we have lost the Judeo-Christian prince.

We're close.

We're headed in that direction.

But we're not there yet.

And that message will still work for that suburban suburban woman who is frightened for her children, doesn't know who to trust.

Give her

something

and someone to trust.

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