PMS 2.0 1385 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Preseason Week 1 Recap, Adam Schefter, Dana White, Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello beautiful people and welcome!

It's great to be here.

It's Overreaction Monday, August 11th, 2025.

This program begins now.

We're off a little bit, but we had a great time.

We hope you did as well.

You're gonna see some pan skins, some fresh vibes, and an excited group of dudes that are able to talk about a lot of sports happening, more specifically the NFL being all the way back.

Obviously, we're in the middle of preseason football.

There's a lot of storylines, a lot of narratives, and injuries taking place.

We'll have Adam Schaefer joining us in about 15 minutes or so.

Then we'll be joined by Dana White.

Congrats to Dana White, UFC, and TKO.

They just signed a seven-year, $7.7 billion deal with Paramount Plus, I believe, which is a Skydance property.

It's also a part of CBS for all United States events, basically, for the next seven years.

Congrats to them.

That's a lot of money.

That's great for sports.

And also, it won't be a pay-per-view model.

So you'll just, if you're a subscriber to the Paramount Plus operation, you'll just be able to see all the UFC stuff.

You'll also see all the Tom Cruise stuff.

You'll see South Park stuff.

Feels like they are spending a lot of money and trying to do it differently than everybody else who obviously has these big events and then has people pay a price to do it.

Like, hey, how do we get people onto our platform?

Well, we have a big event, have them have to pay for it, so now they're on the platform.

That's kind of been this new streaming pay-per-view operation.

This one allegedly just going to come with whatever it is.

All their biggest events in the United States are going to be able to be watched just via the stream on Paramount Plus if you're a subscriber.

So congrats to them getting the deal done.

Hopefully it works out for all parties.

And we love when $7.7 billion is being poured into sports as opposed to other places.

Dana White will join us at about 1240, 1245, talk about that particular deal.

And then in the second hour, we'll have Dan Orlofsky.

Now, the reason why we're going to have Dan Orlofsky on is because I'm sure we're in the middle of the Dan wagon train situation right now.

Dan's latching that wagon to a lot of different things.

The Dan wagon is starting to really get rolling.

Can't wait to hear his thoughts.

He also ranked quarterbacks in like 14 different things, top tens basically.

Second reaction ability, mechanics ability, arm strength stuff, situational awareness, ball placement.

I mean, you name it.

Daniel Lovsky's judging him.

We'll talk to him about it all.

And also, there's one particular quarterback that's been pretty absent from all of it.

And he was the quarterback of the number one team in the NFC last year.

The Detroit Lions.

You don't see Jared Goff on any of this.

Best offensive football.

Yeah, you don't see Jared Goff on any of it.

He even did like mechanics, which I think is where Jared Goff was like number nine out of number nine.

Ball placement.

Uh-uh.

Decision-making.

Nah.

Nope.

Not good enough.

Is there a little bit of heat between Orlovsky and Jared Goff back in Detroit?

Hey, wait, you look a little bit too much like how I looked in that uniform.

Just doing a little bit too good.

Maybe a little bit of that.

We'll talk to Dan about all of it.

The NFL being back is great.

We've been watching all the clips.

Hard knocks, obviously, out there.

There's an SEC special on Netflix.

I mean, we've really taken advantage of the last week and a half to try to digest it all.

But I can't wait to chit-chat about it all with a great group of dudes.

The talks and and tables here at Boss Conner at Dai Schmidt Conman, New Head.

Hey, yeah, hey, we did it.

We did it.

Had extremely long hair was don't care now.

It's just kind of long hair.

I think I do care now a lot more, especially with football being back.

It's incredible time to be alive right now and just having it on the TV, whether it's two minutes of good football or three minutes of good football or sometimes even no minutes of good football.

It's just nice to have the football on the screen.

Really good football out of the New England Patriots off the kickoff.

I think that got excited up there.

I also like the way Vrabel's talking to people.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and the way he's fighting people.

Yeah, I like what the New England Patriots got going on, but that's part of the story.

Let's go to At Ty Schmidt.

Packers look good, brother.

No, yeah, the Packers look like hammered dog shit.

So, you know, I know it's over Reaction Monday.

I've been trying not to.

I didn't want to come in here and just.

Yeah, but of course, it's a good day.

Exactly.

We're back.

We're back.

We're back.

We're back.

Great vibe.

So we'll see.

The one thing I am excited about, seemingly the only guy on the team who can catch, because they were plagued by drops big time last year, is Matthew Golden.

So, you know, our first round draft picks looking great.

Jordan Love throwing dots to guys, guys dropping them.

Defense didn't look great.

Bunch of penalties.

Not good.

Preseason.

Not good.

Preseason.

No, I'm not going to read it.

Let's get a one-half of the hammer.

Done.

Cowboys, AP Town.

You talk about dropping balls.

There's a running back out of Iowa that you guys go out there.

We need to be handing that thing to him every single time.

How do you feel about the Pittsburgh Steelers, balls?

Steelers looked really, really good against the Jaguars.

I mean, two of the best quarterbacks in preseason so far.

I believe Mason was 9 of 10 with a touchdown to Darnell Washington, which he's going to be used a ton this year.

Mount Washington, watching Budda, the Baltimore Ravens fan, who...

exploded into everybody's algorithm because of a Lamar Jackson quote tweet, retweet.

Him watching Mount Washington do his...

I mean, that's out of Georgia, I remember.

People forget about him because Brock Bowers was the tight end that was getting the ball.

They just had a 6'7, 320-pound guy that was able to move and jump over people and block.

And he's a Pittsburgh Steeler.

Last year, I don't think they used him as much as they should.

I think if you have a guy at 6'7, 320 and they don't and your guy can move and they can't, you should definitely utilize that.

I assume Artie Smith will this year.

Watching Buddha learn of this guy was some of the greatest internet I've seen in some time.

His face just naturally sits in a

what's this shit?

And but I appreciate it.

But yes, Mount Washington, real life, big.

I mean,

there's levels to this shit.

He is a gigantic human.

Vibes are high in Pittsburgh.

Vibes are super high.

Skylar Thompson had a great game.

Caleb Johnson, who you mentioned, yes, he did have a couple of drops potentially or whatever.

But he didn't.

Has he ever caught a football game?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a good question.

You're kids.

I went to Iowa.

Not in Iowa.

He didn't.

They've never had it.

They didn't throw the ball in Iowa.

Him seeing the ball go through the sky.

What is...

What the hell?

When did we start?

Never seen a forward pass, but he broke outside on Travis Hunter.

Just dogs.

So, yeah, we're good.

Fives are real high.

Okay, so that seems to be the attitude in a lot of places.

Obviously, Packers fans are a little bit, but they're doing the...

Nah, it's just preseason.

Non-year NFL fans.

Ladies and gentlemen, Dari Strape Bowl.

Debuts, I know you're excited about this just as much as I am.

Because preseason football brings out a lot of bruh, you know?

Bruh.

Bruh.

He killed it.

On the flip side, bruh.

It's preseason.

So we thought it would only be right to put together the all-bruh team.

Ladies and gentlemen, congratulations to these fine gentlemen who've been stealing headlines throughout the preseason with their exquisite play in a football game that certainly will never go on the record.

Nope.

But we might remember forever.

Now, it's the all-bruh team, team strictly because bruh you can fight either side of this thing.

And I think it's a good thing that you play well in these situations that seemingly don't matter.

But there's a lot of chatter about the captain of this year's team.

Captain?

No questions asked.

We should have put the C on a little bit earlier, but I just decided to put the C on him

right now because it has captivated the fifth-round pick.

So I think we should judge it as a fifth-round pick conversation.

And I don't want to hammer home the same exact topics that everybody else is talking about, but holy shit, the way the Shador shador story is going right now is phenomenal for fodder.

Yes.

For fodder, for this turn, for everything.

Yeah.

But also, maybe for the Cleveland Browns.

Now, you took a couple of the other guys.

Justin Fields comes out.

He's obviously the fastest guy on the field still at all times.

Congrats, Aaron Glenn.

In the New York Jets, maybe having an entire new world.

Jackson Dart, don't look now.

Wait a minute.

Uh-oh.

Guy can run, and he's a gunslinger.

And he looks really cool.

Very eye-black.

Yeah, he looks very cool.

Having a great preseason.

Tyler Warren, yeah.

Yeah.

He's Bill of Rights stuff, boy.

So yeah, he's out here doing it.

We don't know who the quarterback's going to be for the Indianapolis Colts, but we do know that Tyler Warren is certainly going to be getting the rock.

Jared Stutham doing it yet again in another preseason.

Tanner McKee really changing the world.

Trey Lance, holy hell, he can play football.

Trayvion Henderson, how are you doing?

Keep it moving.

We'll take one of the crib.

Willie Lampkin, what a dog.

Like it.

Absolute dog, this Willie Lampkin.

Yeah, probably the future of the Rams.

If you're a Rams fan, all you're thinking to yourself is, holy hell, we got a 5'11, 290-pound center out of North Carolina who's basically AQ Shipley, but probably even a little cooler because he's fatter.

No, no, he's lighter.

Lighter, excuse me.

Yeah, yeah, the complete opposite.

He's probably a little bit quicker because he's lighter.

Whenever AQ was coming out, he's 5'11, 355.

Ah, okay.

This guy's 5'11, 290.

You remember, we've seen the game.

Yeah, yeah.

Different game.

We've seen the tricks.

Cyclical.

Well, and also, remember, AQ.

I don't know about him.

Yeah, you're right.

AQ is a Hall of Fame defeat.

I think Willie might be too.

Yeah, I mean, we assume Lampkin will be able to pull it off.

The rest rest of the boys obviously did incredible things.

We have a kicker on the team and Cam Little.

I assume there was a bunch of punters that did well.

We apologize.

We did not look through all the field of every punter.

So shout out to all of the punters that were punting in these preseason games.

You guys did great.

Unless you shanked one, then you know you suck and you're not on his team.

Sure.

But if you hit a good ball, congratulations, you're on the squad.

Cam Little hitting that 70-yard field goal.

And bro, it's preseason.

Bruh.

The game doesn't matter.

Bruh.

Snap hold kicks 70 yards anywhere.

Practice, you name it.

Training camp, middle of season prec in a game with refs and humans watching, pulling that off.

Cam Little, absolute dog pal.

He's pro Football Writer Association on a rookie team last year out of Arkansas.

A lot of moxie.

Boys celebrated the shit out of him.

And also, I love that down there in Duva.

They sent him out there for a 70-yarder at the end of half, as opposed to some coaches would be like, let's just try a Hail Mary.

You know, let's just try a Hail Mary.

Cam Little hitting this.

That means in practice, he's hitting this on a pretty regular basis.

That thing was beautiful.

That thing was a no-dotter.

Congrats, Cam Little.

He's on the all-bra team.

Now, what does this mean for how his season will go?

Last year, I think he missed two kicks.

I think he was like 23 or 25 or something like that.

24 or 26, really good.

This kid might be the next one.

And we'll be honored that he's a part of the all bra

alumna.

Yeah, that's true.

He was a good one.

Which is with the story of a lot of these guys, okay?

Right now, the reason why they're on the all-bra team.

is because there's so much confliction on whether or not they're actually good or if the game doesn't matter.

You know, because you see Shador up there, our captain.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Captain, oh, captain.

Climbing.

Just doing everything.

Putting his head down.

Walking into the stadium music playing.

Walking with a goddamn guy who had a staff, cornerback Tony Brown.

This guy, he has a staff with him at all times, so he's not playing ball.

I love it.

I watched the movie Jungle of the Jungle when I was a kid.

Tim Allen had a child with another lady.

And up in the jungle,

that kid comes and just

lives in the city.

And he's dressed like how this guy dresses.

Yeah, I saw him walk on the practice.

There he is.

It's Jungle of the Jungle.

I watched this movie, Tim Allen.

It's an unbelievable thing.

If this guy's playing for him and Shador's playing for him, and they still got Miles.

Don't forget Jerry Tudy.

Our favorite player.

Yeah, one best part of the league.

He's on the all-brock team.

We'll be forever.

Are the Cleveland Browns a real deal?

Or...

Is this just a preseason game, D-Butts?

And the fact that Shadora was damn near perfect, had two touchdowns, had dance, had a Nike hat immediately afterwards, had the world talking.

it doesn't matter because it's preseason or is this a sign of things to come deebud i mean definitely had the world talking nfl probably tweeted him out in every clip about him 30 40 times when he was playing so yeah everybody's watching there's been a lot of conversation about him since he dropped in the draft and yeah the question always depend on which regardless of which side of the argument you're on you're going to stay on that side oh he played great it's just a preseason oh he stunk oh i told you he was going to stink so but he showed up all the pressures on him all the license on him but let's get to the tape preseason games are pretty much glorified practices but just like uh little with that long field goal when you have live reps that you really never have with quarterbacks pressure on them that's why it counts so look rolling out right here to his left step up this is the play you see week in and week out nfl reset his feet it's a right-handed quarterback it's tough flip your hips and then you make an accurate throw over the low flat defender accurately to that tight end who wins the leverage late against the uh cornerback Great throw, great ball placement.

That's what you want to see out of your rookie quarterback.

He was a fifth-round pick.

We all know he shouldn't shouldn't have been, but he's showing up and taking advantage of his opportunity.

A lot of people talked about, hey, he's getting in there.

He's getting set up for failure.

Nah, in the NFL, regardless of where you're drafted.

What was all that talk?

I mean, it's...

Boy, he didn't have any reps with the first team, and they were throwing them out there.

Yeah, but the first team wasn't going to be on the field.

Yeah, well, that's not how.

So if you're not getting reps with the first team, the first team's not going to be on the field.

That shouldn't affect what you're happening.

But, like, I do appreciate that everybody was kind of going to bat form before the game was even played.

Like, kind of, because that is the reality of the situation.

Like, there's some quarterbacks that are going to look like shit because they don't have an offensive line block for them or they don't have any wide receivers that know the goddamn routes so they you can definitely set a precedent i didn't like that they were just like oh they're throwing he's getting screwed basically for starting in this game i thought that was very interesting take so i was very appreciative of the fact that he went out there and played well and that didn't end up being the thing because i was like you know this is what we want to see right don't we want to see yeah and every time and every time we heard him talk uh every time you hear him talk all he talks about is just being thankful for the opportunity and that's what you want as a player you just want the opportunity so screw all the the other stuff regardless of when that comes.

We all hear as athletes, the Wally Pip story.

And as a quarterback, as any type of player, you never want somebody taking those reps.

Now, preseason is a little different ball game, but I'm glad he took advantage of it.

Our second play we got here, which we all saw, once again, stepping up.

Once again, a live rep.

So you got pressure in your face.

This is what you're going to have to do as a quarterback in NFL.

Step up in dirty pockets, pressure in your face, stare them down, keep your eyes down and feel and make an accurate throw.

Most of these dig balls, you want one to two yards right outside the dig, right outside the hash marks.

He put that ball right on him with two guys in his face.

It's exactly what you want to see from a quarterback, especially a young quarterback.

If there is one thing he learned at Colorado, and Pat talked about this a lot the last couple of years, it's how to throw with dudes in his face because he was the most pressured quarterback in Colorado, and he was tough as shit.

Yeah, also, he, yeah, flexed on him afterwards.

I mean, there were some blindside shots where he's fully exposed at Colorado, and he steps in to throw.

dime in that ear hole in 2024.

No penalty somehow because he's outside the pocket and everything like that.

And then he's literally up celebrating with the guy he just threw the touchdown to.

It's like that type of toughness is real and he can't teach it.

I don't think so.

And that'll probably be the biggest area for improvement for him.

It did take a couple sacks, I think, on third down with, you know, extending plays, running backers.

Can't really do that in the league.

Guys are too fast, too physical.

But he learned from it.

And something he showed too was more of his athleticism, being able to run the ball, break the pocket.

In this next clip, you'll see him actually break the pocket.

This was pressure from his right side.

DM puts the pressure on.

He squeezes out to the right.

Once again, got in his face.

Accurate throw over the top.

Great one-handed catch, but that's exactly when you want to put that ball if you're a quarterback.

With the guy, you always hear it in the meet rooms.

If you're a D-lineman, you're rushing the quarterback, get that left up.

You throw it over the top.

Great rain drop ball to the receiver.

Unfortunately, pulled his hammy.

I think we got some bad news with him.

He's been released by the Cleveland Bronx.

But he'll be out two to three weeks.

He's not getting surgery.

Yeah.

Grade two.

Something.

Hopefully, he gets another opportunity somewhere.

But it's a tough time.

He could have been on the all, bro.

It's a tough time.

He's on the sorry, bruh, team.

No, but he's not sorry, bruh.

Which I guess is a part of the

art team.

Yeah, that's a part of the all, bruh.

The I'm sorry team, bro.

We're sorry.

We're sorry.

We're sorry, bruh.

First team.

And then his last team.

He's going to get picked.

He's captain of the first team.

I hope so.

I think he is, actually.

I think he's probably the captain.

The Browns are producing captains right now at a high clip.

Uh-oh.

Preseason football.

Oh, AFC North.

Oh, oh, oh.

This last clip in the rear, his second touchdown of the game.

Once again, trust in his protector.

You'll see the back scan across, pick him up, step up in the pocket, reset the feet, and make an accurate throw across the middle.

It's going to be little tighter windows on Sundays when the game matters.

But once again, this is what you want to see from your quarterback getting actual live reps with a bunch of guys you probably didn't have a bunch of reps with.

That is important.

You know, people made a big story out of it, but you never know when you're going to get the opportunity.

Even as a DB, like you weren't as comfortable going into games if you didn't take reps with a nickel or a corner or a safety or linebackers that you've been communicating with and getting those things pre-snap and post-snap.

So that is a big thing, but I loved everything I saw from, you know, really all the young quarterbacks.

Highlight Shuck made some good throws.

Cam War, who's not getting talked about as much as a number one pick, he made some good throws.

Jackson Dart, you mentioned him, he made some good throws, but I think the most, the brightest light was definitely on Shador Sanders, and he stepped up.

Absolutely.

A lot of eyes on that game strictly because Shador is there.

So for as much as the people that don't like it, they're all watching.

He's got a Floyd Mayweather appeal right now the people that they don't like.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, the people that don't like him.

Now, for us that are big-time Coach Prime fans,

hey, fucking back, by the way.

Did you see him on that field?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, back where he's supposed to be.

And I enjoy Shador and the way he's handled it all, you know, and the whole family, the way they operate.

So for me to see him go out and do well, I think was cool.

Yeah.

I think it was very cool.

Now,

bruh, we do have to keep.

Everything in perspective here.

Okay.

It's preseason.

And that's why we got a couple more preseason games left.

That's right.

And we will overreact to all of them.

Hell yeah.

Every single time.

And then the real season will come around, and guess what will happen?

We'll go, none of that matters.

Remember what Kenny Pickett did in 2023?

That's why he's on the bottom right corner of this particular draft, the all-broad team, because let's not get captivated here.

This can go away where he ends up being a Super Bowl champion for another team.

Sure.

That happens.

So you have a great preseason.

There's a chance that it doesn't go great with your team, but you could go on to win Super Bowl somewhere else.

So that's what all the all-broad team members need to look forward to after week one for most of these.

Never forget Kenny, 13 of 15, 200 yards, five straight touchdown drives to start that season.

Do you remember that?

Tone came in here.

Steelers are back.

Sevens back on.

It's not, yeah, exactly.

It's not even just Kenny Pickett.

I think it was just the entire offense as a whole.

Yeah, yeah.

And then the season happened.

If you recall,

worst offense in the history of NFL football.

Yeah, that's when Deontay Johnson.

Yeah.

It was the worst in the history of football.

They were channing to fire the offensive coordinator in in Utah.

Yep.

In Utah, the country.

Yeah.

James.

The state of Utah.

JMU.

Diggs dressed up like the devil on Halloween as Matt Canada.

I mean, that's how bad it was.

Some of my best friends.

But in 2023 in that preseason,

you guys were winning the Super Bowl.

Bella de Ball.

So let's not get too excited, but let's not get too low.

But let's make sure we celebrate those who are doing well because it's better than doing ass.

So congratulations to the boys.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the senior NFL insider for ESPN, friend of the program, Michigan, Man.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Shefty.

Hey, Shefty.

Shefty, what's up, brother?

Hello, everybody.

How are we doing?

I'm on the drive to Bristol, so hopefully we don't hit any bad Wi-Fi zones, but bear with me, and hopefully, we can make it through uninterrupted.

It's okay.

That's the home of sports coverage, you know, up there in Bristol, Connecticut.

I put a good tweet out about that place during the break.

Had a lot of action.

Tell those people I said hello up there.

Now, on that note,

you've been in this game a long time.

Long time.

How many preseasons is this?

Do you remember?

I've covered the league for over 35 years, so it'd be my 35th or sixth preseason.

Okay, the Shador hype.

How regulars, is this like once every 10 years, something like this happens?

Like, how often do you think this type of situation, especially because he's delivering?

Yeah.

He delivered in a big way.

And

he has said everything right.

He went to Cleveland early to go be in the community.

Fifth round pick of this team.

Now, granted, the people that hate him say, oh, this is bullshit.

But the people that support him and think, like, hey, maybe there's a chance here are like, hey, keep going.

What are your thoughts on it?

And how regular of a situation is this over your 35 years?

Well, I think there are always players

that get your attention the preseason.

But again, very rarely have we ever seen a player who was projected to be a first-round pick or a high-picked fall to the fifth round and play quarterback and go through everything that Shador went through the first couple nights of the draft.

I remember Friday night, Pat,

as the third round was coming to a close, the number of texts that I got from people in other communities, like acting, music, other sport.

It was crazy the amount of people that were interested in why he slid to where he did.

And he wound up going in the fifth round.

So there was a ton of attention.

It carries over to the preseason.

And I could just think of certain quarterbacks at certain times that flashed and popped in the preseason the way that Shador did on Friday night.

Now, again, I want to be very clear.

One game.

One game.

So we'll see.

But you couldn't help watch that one game and not be impressed by what he did that night.

He threw the ball really well.

He was accurate.

He was composed.

He was poised.

He was all the things that you want to see.

And I think that's what you're looking for right away is guys show right away it's not too big for them they belong they can play or it is too big for them and they can't play and they don't belong and Shador looked like he belonged

and so yeah I mean again when I think back on quarterbacks in the preseason Russell Wilson in 2012 popped right away and that was an offseason in which the Seahawks paid a lot of money for Matt Flynn as a free agent quarterback and they traded for Charlie Whitehurst.

And I think back to when the Cowboys drafted Dak Prescott, and then he came on and lit it up in the preseason, played exceptionally well.

And you could just watch those guys right away and say, they got it.

They got it.

And that's the way for one game it looked for Shador.

But you know what?

The one game now leads to conversations about how much time he's going to get in the second game.

And because now you have to take a longer look.

Now we got to see, okay, well,

was this about?

Did we all miss on this guy in the draft?

Did he fall farther than he should have?

Was everybody right about him?

And the teams were wrong?

Like, you had so many fans who thought he should go so high.

Yet Mel Kuyper thought he should go so high.

And he goes to the fifth round.

And now,

and again, it was one game.

I want to emphasize one game, but it was a great start.

It was a great start.

And my entire thing has led to, he could have played like ass.

Yeah.

And he didn't.

He played great.

So it's like, how do we judge we can only judge off what we see now who he's playing against who he's playing with not nfl okay that's not the name

irrelevant no no no but i would like to say this though i'd like to say this we have to remember he's fifth round pick okay that's how the teams are going to view him that's how cleveland's going to view him because they invested that in him so when you talk about playing in the preseason it's like you're talking about how much time like they this is when fifth round picks would be i mean this is their time this is their shot so any opportunity to get on the field i think is great even if he's not with guys that he's familiar with this is the NFL.

This is what preseason is for.

Hopefully he'll continue to go.

Now, preseason, also devastating for some teams.

Every single year, injuries happen.

These injuries take place.

And all of a sudden, before the season even begins, we didn't even have a chance to have our full roster, especially with all of our talent.

Left tackle for the Chargers, obviously, sad.

I mean, absolutely devastating situation.

Happy he got paid.

And once again, this is why people look for deals as opposed to getting franchise tagged and everything like that, because you never know what's going to happen in a sport that is so combative and physical.

Now, Matthew Stafford, I think McVay and everybody said he's going to be okay.

Landon Dickerson, heartbreaker over there in Philly, got carted out.

Obviously, that offensive line, they are what they are.

Lucas, Matt, Rondell Moore, Anthony, Najee, is there anything else we should be looking at?

And

how would you classify these injuries if you just kind of want to go through the list yourself?

Well, first of all, an Alexander Madison, the Dolphins running back, goes down yesterday in the game against the Bears.

Neck injury gets taken by ambulance to a local hospital in Chicago where he proceeds to go undergo season-ending neck surgery.

So you can add Alexander Madison to that list.

It was a terrible injury, unfortunate.

And I think they got a good prognosis from the surgery to where they think he'll be able to play again next year.

But Rashawn Slater, he becomes the highest paid offensive lineman.

in NFL history on July 27th.

And then Amir, 10 or so days later, basically basically ruptures his patella tendon and needs surgery.

And he's out for the year.

Matthew Stafford's been dealing with a back, but the Rams really, look, 36 years old, back, quarterback going to take hits.

Backs don't seem to get better, but I think he's going to be okay.

I was in their building last week, and they're, I mean, if they're in the game right now, today, Matthew Stafford is playing.

So they're trying to maintain him and make sure that he's going to be as healthy as he can be when the season opens.

Landon Dickerson's having an MRI on his knee today.

We'll see what comes back there.

He's been a warrior in the NFL level, has not missed any time, but has a history of knee injuries in college that led to him falling into the second round.

Lucas Ngang out for the year.

Matt Hennigan, Torn Achilles, Rondale Price, knee injury.

Sounds like the season's over.

Anthony Richardson, the dealing with the pinky issue, which isn't long-term.

And Najee Harris,

you didn't include Deion Bush, the chief safety, who ruptured his Achilles

on Saturday night.

The Ravens have lost some rookie cornerbacks to knee injuries.

Listen, it's the worst part of the preseason.

Inevitably, guys come back, and these guys are so big and so strong and so fast.

Yeah, of course.

I agree.

Some of these injuries, unfortunately are inevitable and to your point to your point though this is why like if i'm micah parsons or or trey hendrickson or terry mcclaur you got to be really careful like you one practice one practice yeah you need to remember that

you need to remember that whenever you're reporting your inside information from the teams and they've offered everything they possibly could to trey hendrickson he needs to he needs to do that and it's like you get shown these stats you know like hey there's a chance tomorrow you go out there one dip and rip and your elbow, shoulder, knee, and ankle.

I'll just give up.

How about old buddy from the Ravens?

Was that his?

Mike Green.

Oh, my.

That's big.

That's big, man.

That is what they are talking about whenever they talk about going around the edge.

So that's scary stuff.

It's no fun.

It seems to happen every single preseason.

Also, another injury not on there.

Go ahead, Deal Butcher.

Jerry Jones mentioned that.

Obviously, that's why he was kind of weary of paying guys.

But speaking of Jerry Jones, his guy, guy that wasn't on that list, and those are serious injuries, T's and P's.

Have we got an update on CD Lamb?

We saw him take a hell of a shot on the sideline the cowboys preseason game any update on cd

well he got penalized on this play which was one of the craziest highlights of the weekend he has his hands up the official collides cee d lamb goes down it was the hardest hit he took all game and

he got penalized on the play.

The league is reviewing it to see if there will be a fine that's necessary, which would obviously add insult to injury or money to injury.

And fortunately, he's okay.

Look, everybody's laughing and hugging him, but you get hit like that.

I know it's just an official, but you're not expecting it.

Who knows what may happen?

Official, clear, to be clear.

Low man does win all the time.

And that official had pretty good.

He did perform.

Yeah, he showed up at training camp looking good, feeling good about the year.

CD like, oh, that would suck so bad.

Stop the light.

Stop the light.

Rewind it again.

Like, explain to me, You guys are football guy.

Like, what is he celebrating?

Like, this guy's wide open.

What do you think, Chef?

Wide open, yeah.

Okay, but did they complete the best?

Did they score?

No.

No, but Chef, he's celebrating his boy.

This is the wide receiver room.

And he's literally pointing at him, saying, hey, we got him.

We got him.

We got him.

Probably knew the call.

Knew it was going to be a double move.

See, that's him scoring a touchdown, if this is called in the regular season.

He knew the call,

knew the coverage, knew everything.

Hey, this is going to be this guy, right?

And it it is.

Touchdown.

Knew it.

Touchdown.

And the ref's like

an outfielder running for a home run.

Yeah, right.

Right into the wall.

With no, I mean, his whole face is on CD's back.

Yeah.

And he's got a stiff chest when he's running, too.

I mean, that's.

Great foster.

Great belt.

Great lead by the ref.

But we always get told in that sideline, regardless of what level of football, but especially in the NFL, get back, stay off the white.

Usually a get back coach or someone.

CD knows.

I mean, he's used to being on the field, obviously, but he knows.

I'm sure he'll get a talking to.

If that was a player a little low on the roster, it'd be a bigger deal.

But they'll probably find him just to make it a bigger statement across the league because that is a big deal for refs to do their job.

Did the ref finish the game, Chef?

Of course.

Yeah, oh, yeah.

He's probable for this week.

He'll be back for preseason week two, which rare to go.

He should be on all bro.

All right, let's talk.

Let's talk a little bit more about one.

He should be.

Hey, that ref?

Yeah.

He's the official official of the all-bra team.

Bruh, you're running really fast.

Bruh, a little awareness.

Ref, hope you're all right, ref.

Good work, bro.

Good work, brah work, bro.

Go ahead, Tom.

Yeah, Shefty, I wanted to ask about another player in Dallas, one that we also did not see on the field.

Micah Parsons.

He did a thank you, Dallas situation where he put out.

It was a long note section.

Are we anywhere new on the Jerry and Micah and getting a new contract?

Is he going to be there week one?

Do we know?

See, also, can I quickly, Micah, when we screenshot that, we can't be repeating sentences you can edit that thing screenshot it put it down so then we don't have to go back through and i read this thing four times right anyways but micah i appreciate you getting your thoughts out there and i like that you use your notes section i also use notes section this is wonderfully put together and i think you thanked everybody but i was not happy about the micah you got your own show you got a big brain you're a smart guy you get the biz you can just

Crop it down.

Just crop it down.

Come on.

Message show got across there, Chefty.

I read it four times.

It's a lot.

It was a lot.

A lot of words.

You didn't read it.

I did.

I read it twice.

Dev, you read it?

No.

That's why you don't know what I'm saying.

So, like, the end of this sentence is not the beginning of the next picture.

It is like,

like, find it in the middle.

You can go three sentences back.

Yeah, and then you got to get it.

You know what I mean?

Like, hey, picture one, we should just have a thing.

Picture two, page two.

We're going to new stuff.

You know what I mean?

Agree.

I'm OG notes screenshot sender.

Yeah.

OG.

I'm new school.

Just chat GBT.

Summarize this in in three sentences.

Oh, my God.

See, that's not good.

That's not good.

Have you seen the brain memes about the Chat GPT people?

I don't believe.

And the studies?

Did Chat GPT tell you to say that?

Maybe.

Let me ask ChatGPT what my thoughts are on how ChatGPT is affected by that.

Very nice.

Anyways, go ahead, Shefty.

Sorry, buddy.

We ruined all that.

That's okay.

Micah,

it's unbelievable that that statement came out about 10 days ago.

And since that statement came out, there have been zero contract talks between the Dallas Cowboys and Micah Parsons.

Now, you would think that something like that would trigger some conversation to get everybody, all sides in one room to try to get a deal done.

And in fact, it feels like it's done the opposite.

It feels like Micah is disappointed and bothered by the way the Cowboys have done their business.

It feels like the Cowboys are bothered and disappointed that micah would make his feelings known like that ask for a trade jerry jones felt like he had a deal in place with micah that that isn't going to get done right now and now all of a sudden there are a whole host of new issues that we have to ask if these two sides are unwilling to talk, which has been the case, and unwilling to negotiate.

So, okay, now we got Micah Parsons who says he has back tightness and he's not practicing.

Oh, classic.

Remember the hamstring in the NBA?

That's a good one.

Yep.

Back tightness.

You know, I'll bet you back tightness can linger for a long time.

And back tightness.

Yeah, usually lingers when contract negotiations usually are not progressing.

So the Cowboys open their regular season three weeks from Thursday night against the Philadelphia Eagles.

And Jerry Jones himself has said that he doesn't know and might not expect Micah to play in that opening game against the Eagles.

And so now they're making no progress.

They're not talking about a new deal.

And unless things change,

you have to wonder where this is going.

The Cowboys have said,

they're not called me back.

They're not interested in trading him.

That's what they say.

But at some point in time, if you're not going to sign the guy, then you're going to move the guy.

There's two choices, sign him or trade him.

And right now, they're not talking contract.

He's got a tight back.

And so who knows where this is.

Hey, my question for you, Scheffter, with all this in the tight back, obviously we hope he's okay.

He's a special talent on the football field.

We would hope to watch him all year.

But if that back does get a little bit better, if you sleep on a pile of money, we also have seen this in the past in this entire thing.

Azure Connection goes unstable in this entirety.

Jerry Jones said, Jay-Z, is this real?

I've been seeing a lot of quotes about him dealing with Jay-Z with Rock Nation Agency back in the day.

Oh, it is.

Jerry, Jerry, like, Jerry didn't negotiate deals with agents.

Why does this continue to be talked about as if this is like his thing?

Like, yo, I don't talk to the agents.

Like, how have you got everybody represents himself that plays for the Cowboys?

Yeah, no, no, no.

I think over time,

Jerry has had a history of doing some of his

biggest deals with some of his most well-known players.

Exactly.

A handshake bat.

He gets them in.

He's talking to them.

And in this particular case, Jerry felt like he had a deal.

But Micah and his agent never felt like there was a deal.

There's no paper.

There's no contract.

There's no...

nothing that was presented.

Jerry feels like he was wronged.

Yeah, so there's two.

There's two different interpretations, two different interpretations of the events that went on in the discussions between Jerry and Micah.

The bottom line is they're nowhere right now, and it feels like the state of the relationship has gotten worse.

And again, it's going to be really interesting to see how tight Micah's back is on opening night.

Yeah, I hope we see Micah.

I hope they get a deal done.

I'm going to say this, for how good of a player Micah has been with being a first-round pick for the Dallas Cowboys, with the night he gets drafted saying he dreamt of being a Dallas Cowboy and all that, for him to go into his fifth year of his rookie contract without a new deal is abnormal.

Not just for like Dallas Cowboys.

I think just for that position, that player for any team, first rounder, for you to hit like you hit and not get a deal done going into the fifth round, very abnormal.

Going into the fourth year.

Abnormal.

Going into the fifth year, which is the bonus year that they had to tag on top of him, let alone the two franchise tag years we got ahead of this.

Very abnormal.

It's a very weird situation in Myers.

Very weird.

And Jerry, you know, he's got a documentary coming out here in about eight days.

That's right.

The Gambler and the Cowboys.

America's team, August 19th, 2025.

I wonder if the last chapter would be him and Mike.

Micah doesn't know I had them mic'd up.

We were talking in one of my rooms.

We agreed to a deal.

You say we didn't agree.

It's right here.

It's in the documentary.

America's team.

Shook Haynes.

The Gambler and the Cowboys.

Old school.

So he feels like he was wronged, is what you're saying.

Like business-wise,

he feels like he was bamboozled by Micah.

Is that kind of the thought?

Because if that is the case, I think Jerry's the type of guy who will be.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Fuck this.

Is that accurate?

Is that how this is being?

And we lose it.

That's a big piece of information here.

This is a big piece of information.

I mean, that's why I understand maybe he's done that in the past.

But if you are Micah and you're playing this position, this is a position that Miles Garrett reset it.

TJ Watt just jumped him.

And you're right in line.

Like you said, he's done everything right from day one.

Even last year, like he was battling through some injuries when he could have easily set out, you know, looking forward to getting his contract done.

And when you're Micah and you have one of the best agents in the game representing you, it would be like terrible for you.

And I'm sure that PA wouldn't want to do this anyway to represent yourself in these negotiations.

Oh, let me shake my hand.

Let me shake your hand because this is how you've done it.

That's that's ridiculous.

This is too much money at stake for Micah to do.

And Jerry, he can do it.

He's going to be around for, you know, his business is going to be there forever in his family.

But Micah, he done the right thing.

Get your business done right.

Yeah.

And also,

I'm okay with deals getting done via handshake.

This is for future reference.

But got to hammer out all the details on paper.

Yeah.

I mean, that is

legitimately how it all works.

Hey, Schefter, we're kind of hypothesizing about the entire situation here.

So Jerry believes, and let me get, this has probably already been reported, so I apologize.

We're on beach.

Yeah, exactly.

Somewhere on the beach.

I'm strong.

New baby.

She's awesome.

All day long.

Jerry feels wronged by Micah because they had a handshake deal that Micah then

reneged

on in this entire thing.

That's how he views it?

I think Jerry feels like they had the makings of a deal, if not an agreement in place.

He talked to reporters last week about the fact that when he bought the Cowboys, it was a handshake deal.

That's what he said.

And he's done a lot of handshake deals over time.

And again,

Micah feels like he never saw a contract, never agreed to anything.

His agent never signed off on anything.

And so there are a whole host of issues there.

And again, you mentioned Micah's draft class.

If you look it up, look at all the players around him and in front of him that have already been paid.

Any good player in front of him, from Jamar Chase to Devontae Smith to Penny Sewell to...

Sertan?

Most of those, JC Horn, Sertan, they've all been paid already.

And Micah has not been.

And so he's watching his draft class all get paid.

He's watching the top pass rushers across the league, whether it's Max Crosby, Daniil Hunter, Miles, TJ Watt, all get paid.

And he's not.

Not only is he paid, his own team is not even talking to him.

And he feels insulted by what they've said about him in the summer.

So again, I just think there's a situation that's gone the opposite direction.

And they're further apart from the deal today than they were in, let's just say, March or early April.

Jeez.

So he was 12th overall in that particular draft.

If you were to not just take against his draft class, who all got paid, I think if you were to take him, his stats, his draft thing, and also saying, I've dreamt of being on this team on draft night and put them into their,

like the simulation, everybody's getting paid on their fourth year.

Everybody.

Micah needs to go back into his office though, brother.

Micah, you need to go back in there.

You got to do one of these things.

I think.

If you want to get a deal done, I think that's what you're probably going to have to do.

Just after watching Jerry and Landman,

you know, it feels like that, especially the way he talks about it.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong because people can forget how a handshake is supposed to go too, you know.

Some people can have one view of what a handshake deal looks like and the others have another view of what the handshake deal actually is.

And then whenever it gets put on paper, it's like, wait a minute, we're going to talk about this particular thing.

And then you can get pretty offended.

So I think you should go back in there and shake his hand.

But I also think he should have been paid already.

And I'm also starting to think, Jerry, maybe

like maybe that thing used to go 96.

I think we're throwing BP, maybe.

88.

Yeah, I think we might be throwing BP all of a sudden.

Yeah, I'll watch the Gambler and the Cowboys for sure.

But I mean, there's a chance.

Okay, let's talk about somebody else that maybe,

I don't know if he won't get paid before his fifth year.

Will the fifth year even happen?

Yeah, that's a good question.

We're talking about super hype.

Okay.

A lot of hype.

Most hype that I've heard in some time.

Generational hype.

Got a comment.

Yeah, Schefter, obviously a lot of the quarterbacks play, not all of the quarterbacks play, but the biggest ones, you know, Mahomes, Burrow, some other guys also.

Caleb Williams, kind of in that category of dudes you would expect to see in preseason week one, new offense, the whole nine with Ben Johnson.

We don't see any Caleb Williams instead.

Some speculation on the internet is claiming that he did not play because he does not know how to run Ben Johnson's offense yet.

Is that the case?

And how closely should we be looking at Chicago as a spot that's not a proven year for the quarterback, but definitely a pivotal year in his organizational kind of tenure for Chicago?

Yeah.

Well, I think what happened here is that the Dolphins got to Chicago last week on Wednesday.

And they had intra-squad scrimmages where coaches can control that.

And Caleb got plenty of work against the Dolphins.

And so if you're not going to stick out your regulars and you're not going to stick your first-team offensive line in, oftentimes you don't want to stick your quarterback in there.

Amen.

And I think Ben Johnson felt like Caleb got the work in a controlled environment that he needed to.

Now, I will say this: it's a little odd that in the same game, Tua Tunga Bailoa is out there

playing in a preseason game and Caleb Williams is not.

Joe Burrow, who hasn't played in a preseason ever, is out there this weekend.

And Caleb Williams, who's learning a new offense, is not.

So

it seems a little odd in that sense, but I'm just telling you that their thinking was that Caleb got to go against the Dolphins in practice all week long in a controlled setting where he gets to wear a jersey, where he's not subjected to hits, and they got the work that they felt they needed to get in with him during the course of last week without...

having to put him out there Sunday and risking injury behind a backup offensive line.

All right.

I respect that move.

I do.

And I respect the way Ben Johnson, that guy's back with the Chargers.

Can't wait to see what he does.

I respect that Ben Johnson is trying to change the culture there, too.

Seemingly a little bit more accountability-driven, a little bit more hard-nosed, a little bit more of a hard ass.

Feels like he got juiced up.

I think there was a fourth and goal stop that they had.

He's out on the field flexing.

I think Miami got them back later with a fourth and goal stop as well on the other side.

It was a good joust between these two.

I will say there were some moments in there.

The Caleb shit's there.

He is.

There's the actual flex that I was talking about.

The Caleb stuff on the internet is loud.

Should it be?

What are you hearing out of Chicago?

Like he talked, I'm sorry, Connor talked about it being maybe a prove-it year.

Sean Payton goes into Denver as your mid-blink there.

I know, take it all in.

He goes out to Denver and has the capability basically to move on from Russell Wilson if it doesn't work out.

Ben Johnson went there because of Caleb.

He's there to make Caleb good.

What is the pressure on Caleb this year?

And what is the reality of the situation currently?

I think that there's pressure on every

quarterback every year, and they did everything to uplift Caleb this year.

From hiring the head coach to all the moves that they made, they went out and traded for two offensive linemen.

They signed another, they signed Drew Dolman for free agency, they trade for Joni Jackson, they trade for Joe Tooney, they hire a coach to elevate.

This is all designed to make sure that Caleb Williams is a massive success because that's the type of talent that he has.

So, yeah, of course, there's pressure on him because everything they've done has been geared to making him better.

So it's up to him.

Now, if this season went on and he didn't play well, well, that pressure is going to only rise next year.

It's going to get ratcheted up.

But I think there's pressure on all these guys every year.

Everybody's watching to see how it goes.

And this organization, I think, has given him everything that he could want to play to the best of his abilities.

Come on, Caleb.

We can't wait to watch.

There's some Caleb shit that he can do that nobody else could do.

And we're excited to watch it.

Hopefully it all come to fruition.

Last question here is we have Mr.

Dana White joining us in about a minute and a half.

Shefty, Shefty, where do we stand on the Colts QB battle?

It seemed like going into their first game against the Ravens, the tide had kind of turned in Anthony Richardson.

Everyone talked about how good he had looked, you know, new body, all that kind of stuff.

And then very early on, he gets smacked in the teeth real hard, dislocates his pinky.

Shane Steichen did mention today that he's full-going practice today.

He's good.

He's going to play on Saturday against the Packers, although Danny Dimes will start.

What are you hearing about this battle?

Because going into the game, it certainly did seem like it was Anthony Richardson's job to lose.

Well, it did.

And now it still seems like it's a battle that hasn't been decided.

And it still feels like a battle that's going to play itself out here in the final couple of weeks of the preseason.

I don't think the Colts sound ready to make a decision just yet.

And Anthony Richardson obviously needs to do a better job at picking up.

Blitz, seeing things, recognizing certain situations, and most important, whether it was or wasn't his fault, staying healthy.

Like, I know it's not his fault.

This guy comes around, he doesn't respond quick enough, somebody missed him, whatever it may be.

But it's another injury.

Fortunately, it was not more severe.

He's able to bounce back, but I don't think this team has decided who its quarterback is going to be yet.

I think the job is there to be one still, and one of these guys is going to have to go out and win it the next couple of weeks.

Saw a lot of quarterbacks say, Hey, you got to know that that's coming.

But then also, I saw a lot of people who are fans of the game say, Nope, that shit guy should have been blocked.

So, I mean, there's

a lot of congestion about it or whatever conjecture about it

all I know is he's still playing that's a big shot yeah that was a very big shot luck taking a shot almost exactly like that in the actual game but yeah I mean who knows who

was on looks like yeah who knows who was on but yeah you got to stay healthy you know your abilities are best availability we're pulling we're still believe ours brother all right we appreciate it come on safe travels ladies and gentlemen I'm Chef Derrick

Danny Dimes too it's like a crazy I've seen seen some highlights out of Danny Dimes, but pretty good.

I mean, if you think about a guy who's

16 years old, how old is Anthony Richardson?

Yeah, 23, 21 years old, 23, whatever it is, somehow.

Still got all the talent in the world.

Like his prep before practices.

Oh, yeah.

Don't love that he got an injury early because that kind of adds to this guy's always hurt.

Dislocated pinky.

No, he's like, we move along.

Yeah, you got it.

You got an all-brook player, so who even cares?

And A.D.

Mitchell, I mean, all the highlights coming out of him are incredible.

Speaking of highlights, how about seven years, $7.7 billion?

Ladies and gentlemen, the man who,

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President, CEO, super duper boss, a man who's smoking a cigar in his IG story today saying, it's going to be a good day.

You're damn right, ladies and gentlemen.

Dana White.

Congratulations.

Thank you, buddy.

Appreciate it.

No problem.

I like the TKO group shirts.

Hey, I like what we're doing here.

Okay.

Obviously, WWE gets a massive deal done with ESPN.

UFC gets huge deal done here with Paramount Plus.

And Skydance, I believe it's P-Sky, is their particular publicly trading thing.

How's this come together, Dana?

This is a huge swing by Paramount to get into sports full time.

How pumped were you that they were a part of this?

And, you know, is this where you thought you were going to end up at like a month ago?

I agree with everything you just said.

And yes, you know, we've been going through the process.

No, I didn't think this is where we would end up, but this is sort of how it played out.

I love it.

These guys are obviously very smart guys, very aggressive.

And when you think about streaming, right, streaming is incredible.

You know, when they drop a great show, the problem

with the whole service is I can watch it tonight or I can watch it two years from now.

Live sports is going to be a big deal.

uh you know with all these streaming services and uh

you know we're going to play a big part in it.

And

when you look at Paramount Plus, right, this new deal that we're going into, you get to watch all the UFC programming on there.

No pay-per-view anymore.

You know, it's $13 or whatever it is.

And you get everything.

Plus, these guys have South Park.

Yellowstone.

I've been talking about Mobland now.

Tom Cruise.

Unreal.

Tom Cruise.

They got Tom Cruise.

Just all of Tom Cruise as well, brother.

Pulsar King.

I mean, the list goes on and on.

All the content that they have, great shows.

So now you get,

you know, all the UFC content plus, you know, all this other great content too, TV shows.

And they have much bigger plans ahead.

And we are very aligned with them.

And I'm excited to be in business with the Ellisons.

We're very excited that they're getting into sports in the way that they are.

You know, Dad, Larry, I believe, he paid, what, $100 million for that kid to go play quarterback in Michigan?

He just dropped $100 million.

And a boy now running Paramount Plus.

I'm excited they're getting into sports in a way that they are.

And Skydance, I think, has a deal with the NFL to make movies about sports.

So I appreciate you trailblazing into the sports world and continuing to keep it moving there.

Now, is this for all U.S.

events, right?

Is that accurate?

Yeah, this is just for U.S.

So we'll still go out and cut different deals

in different territories.

But

when you get in business

with a global sport like us, I mean, I'm sure they have plans.

We haven't got that far yet, but plans to go into other countries too.

Let's talk about the pay-per-view model being done here for you.

Usually these streaming services, as they're gathering an audience, try to host a big event to draw people in and then they hope their shit keeps them there.

Okay.

We're gonna have a big event and then we'll keep our shit.

Now, Netflix just been building since the beginning.

They're a blockbuster.

So they got everybody.

Everybody else has to have these live events to bring people in.

Amazon was dealing with like music.

I think they were having like big concerts.

Then they got into the NFL.

Now they're getting into sports.

ESPN Plus, UFC, other pay-per-views, they they get in there to have these events.

So with Paramount Plus saying, hey, we just want people to be subscribers and enjoy it, they have to have a pretty big audience base already, I would assume.

And how do you view this?

Do you think it's going to be a success and how everybody else is going to end up doing it in this particular world?

Yeah, I think that, you know, I think all these streaming services, no matter who they are, have to be involved in live sports.

You know,

any type of sport, you have to watch it live.

Nobody's going to watch a taped or delayed uh you know sporting event so yeah i think they all have to have it and uh it's going to be fun because you know there's all these disruptors in business right now you know when you think about us growing up i never thought taxi cabs would go away or you know uh cable television would crumble and and and go away it's fascinating to see all the and you know we're we're always on the top of new technology and trying new things um you know i left i left direct tv and went to espn plus and you know, when you make these decisions, it's scary at the time.

But one of the greatest decisions I ever made, my relationship with ESPN over the last seven years has been amazing.

You know, we had our bumps and bruises in the beginning figuring out how to work with each other.

And

it's been great.

I have nothing but amazing relationships with ESPN.

They helped take us to this next level.

And Fox before them and Spike TV before them.

All right, Spike TV days.

What a run run they had now's not the time paramount plus doing great spike tv headings a late night spike used to be

hey thank you for getting me through a lot of parts of my life spike tv uh speaking of your espn relationship uh the ninth season of dana white's contender series debuts tomorrow night exclusively on espn plus yeah let's go nine seasons i've i love this show i'm actually in miami right now I'm moving my daughter into school down here.

She's going to the U.

And yeah, we're excited.

And moving her into school, then I fly back tomorrow for the Contender Series, the greatest show on television.

I love the Contender Series, and I'm looking very forward to this next season.

Also, the Contender Series is

TV contracts are up in the next

speaking of this Paramount Plus deal, $13 for an entire month.

Gonna get one of the biggest fights in the cards of all time.

Go ahead, Con man.

Yeah, Dana, obviously, the fight this weekend is a massive one.

DDP and Comzotte, what are you expecting from the card this upcoming weekend?

And how is Chicago as a whole when it comes to a venue?

Awesome.

You know, we haven't been to Chicago since pre-COVID, so it's good to get back.

Card sold out.

Main event is badass.

That's going to be a fun fight.

And yeah, I'm looking forward to Chicago, too.

I'm keto right now.

I'm probably going to...

jump off keto for a couple days when I get to Chicago.

Oh no, I think if you jump off a couple days, have maybe a little bit of that lasagna pizza there.

That super deep fish pizza.

Maybe do a Portello's dog.

Put ketchup on that thing so it tastes good in the entirety of it all.

But keto, in that case.

Blue Malnati's, Gibsons.

You'll read a Gibson's steakhouse.

They bring out desserts this big and with a knife stuck in the top of it.

It's unbelievable.

Chicago, here I come.

Treat yourself, Dana.

Treat yourself, Dana.

Even if it's keto, yeah, you need another effed Friday back in mind.

And I think your body will appreciate it too.

They'll be like, oh, this is what it was like.

They'll fight even harder for you you on the other side of keto.

So big weekend this weekend.

Can you tell me a little bit more information on the White House?

Because that's going to be on Paramount Plus.

That might be on CBS.

You know what I mean?

Talk about that.

Fight card from the White House live and free on CBS the network.

Come on.

Hold on now.

That'd be huge.

That could be Johnny.

That could be like biggest numbers of all time, which I assume is what you're dreaming of here.

All right.

Well, congratulations on the great success.

Enjoy the you down there.

I think their football team, they picked Carson Beck like $6 million or something.

Yeah, allegedly.

They're gonna be good down there.

It's gonna be a rowdy fall.

I'm coming back here for the Notre Dame, uh, for the Notre Dame Miami game.

So I'll be there.

I'll be there for that.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna be, I'm becoming a Miami fan now.

I'm a hurricane.

Let's not be giving too much money.

They got enough.

You should look at maybe the West Virginia Mountaineers.

You want to start investing in a college football team?

We need you up there in West Virginia.

We appreciate you.

Congrats on today.

Enjoy all the cigars and dessert, brother.

Appreciate you guys.

Thank you.

7.7 billion.

Nice day.

Congrats, dude.

That thing's going straight up into the right.

Ladies and gentlemen, Dana Way.

About 9% today.

Yeah.

Should have been,

should have, should have bought that last week.

Those are clean.

Sure.

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Those shirts that just have the

white writing small up here, I like those.

Especially the deals that they just got done.

That TKM group really doing it right now.

They got a lot of stuff.

And there's Dana on his IG story.

I have a feeling today is going to be a great day.

Now, that was posted.

I'm not going to judge.

You do whatever whatever you got to do.

$7.7 billion?

That was posted after the breaking news.

He should have posted on his IG story.

It should have been cigar first,

then the breaking news.

It was IG story, 7.7 billion, 7.7 billion.

Then to him, I have a feeling today is going to be great.

It's like, yeah, brother, we just saw RDA.

We just saw it.

I mean, it could be after he saw his daughter's dorm room.

And it was like, wow.

Wow.

She got a...

an excellent dorm room.

Down here in South Florida.

Congrats to them, dude.

That's huge.

I like any time these companies will get involved in sports it's good news sports are great now what will it become no more pay-per-views that's incredible

boxing is gonna start netflix right because netflix probably gonna get into that game yeah riyad season toll interesting time to be alive let's enjoy it all

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Hello, beautiful people,

and welcome back to our Humble Above, the Thunder.

On this Overreaction Monday, August 11th, 2025, hours where the program begins right now.

Football.

Today's fantastic, and we're lucky we get a chance to chat about it.

The talks and tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Great dog on your chest.

Hey, thank you very much.

Yeah, I figured I'd wear a dog just because these Patriots are just looking like a bunch of junkyard dogs.

Oh, I thought you're talking about the Cleveland Browns and Dog Pound because what they got going on.

No, I'm not.

Look, I know everyone's talking about Shadur, and it's great, but little do everybody know the Browns have a 5'8 quarterback back there that was drafted before Shadur, and his name's Dylan Gabriel.

When that kid gets a chance, he's gonna spin that pistol.

Oh, he's 5'Pistol.

I believe.

We saw him.

We saw him behind his own line at the Rose Bowl.

He's 5'7.

Solid, stern, play.

Built.

Yeah, but that grass, remember,

pushing it down a little bit.

So it's probably,

they ain't gonna have Rose Bowl grass.

Image

everywhere around.

I wish.

Yeah, I think.

I didn't.

Deshaun Watson sit on the sideline there.

I thought that was uh maybe ai created like the drock imagine thing him wearing his own logo on his head i thought was the most self-aware thing i've seen yeah in a long time on that particular sideline i appreciate it the preseason is the greatest you get to see the little things looking the packers do a great job tie pumped up about you let's go to one half of the hammer

cowboys ap tone uh tone what should we be talking about our preseason that we haven't chatted about enough uh if a breaking news okay uh kind of breaking news the first ap pool for college football just came out in texas is your number one team team in the country.

Wow.

Preseason AP top 25.

Now, Tone is AP voter for the NFL, not for college.

Texas, number one in the country.

I think they also have the best odds to win a national championship.

Penn State, number two.

Congrats, James Franklin.

Drew Aller and the boys.

Ohio State, always going to be high because the team's obviously phenomenal.

Clemson now is the interesting team that nobody has talked about or thought about all offseason except for Clemson fans.

Now, I know the ACC has talked about it in the way that the ACC has talked about it.

We love the ACC.

Love everything about it, especially down here with Bill Belichick now.

Come on.

He's doing his thing.

But the thought that Dabo is going to be back in the national conversation is great for college football.

I'm happy about that.

Greg McElroy actually has Clemson as the number one team in the country in his eyes on his always college football podcast.

He has Clemson as the number one overall team in the country.

Tone, what are we seeing from the AP top 25?

What are we seeing from McElroy's top 25?

What are the expectations here?

So with the AP and kind of McElroy's, the big thing to me coming into this season is there's so many question marks for a lot of these top teams.

And Greg probably is Clemson at number one because there's not question marks.

Cade Klebnick had 43 touch total touchdowns, I think, last year to six interceptions.

They're returning all five offensive linemen, all three of their top wide receivers.

They return three, or sorry, two defensive linemen are going to be drafted in the top 10 of next year's draft, and a corner is going to be drafted in the first round.

So, like, there's not questions about Clemson, I don't think.

And then

that boy can coach, and that boy can coach and run

and do the NIL.

Yeah, I started doing it in the NIL.

Penn State, there's not a lot of questions.

Like, yes, Penn State has disappointed us a lot over the last few years, but that we know who their quarterback is.

We know who their coach is.

We know their running backs.

We know the defense is going to be really good.

Ohio State loses a ton.

Like, they lose their quarterback.

They lose their entire defensive line.

There's question marks there.

Georgia's got a new quarterback coming in.

Notre Dame's got a new quarterback coming in.

Oregon, Alabama,

all have new quarterbacks coming in.

Like, it's, there's a lot of questions in this top 10.

So I think when you look at the pool or like this, this preseason pool, Texas, not as many question marks.

Penn State, not as many question marks.

Clemson, not as many question marks.

And I think that's why they're those three of the top four teams.

And we'd also like to break some news at this exact time.

Coming out on Wednesday, an annual tradition about to take place.

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Tony, you put a lot of great work in.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

This is second annual.

Two times.

Two times.

We did crack in.

Yeah.

We were able to crack in there.

Now we did have to buy up with the end, but we still got it past the list.

Sure.

Need to know gamblers guy for college ball.

Debone want to work on the cover.

Tony you want to work on the inside.

What are we going to find in this thing on Wednesday?

So I did a preview for all 68 Power 4 conference teams.

So that would be every single team in the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, and SEC.

So you'll get a full-page preview on each of those teams, who's coming back, who their coach is,

where their weak spots are,

and breaking down the schedule, stuff like that.

And then, you know, at the end, I give out about 32 best bets as far as totals for over, under for the season.

There will be a bracket on who I think will make the college football playoffs, so you could also bet off of that.

Heisman winner, stuff like that.

So, yeah, probably about, it'll be about 75, 80 pages of college football breakdown.

Why isn't South Carolina on McElroy's?

And maybe it's because I just watched the SEC show, but I love Beamer, and I thought everyone was was talking about Lenore Sellers being a Heisman, and then the one team that's not on McElroy's.

And I think South Carolina is 13 on the AP or 12, and South Carolina is not even in his top 25.

Is that kind of one of those teams that people are either, hey, Heisman and national championship or bust?

I think it's because a lot of people think Lenora Sellers is going to have to be Superman and carry the team a lot because there's not a ton of other pieces on offense.

So it's like if Lenor Sellers has a Cam Newton run, yeah, they can do it.

But if he does not, if he does not live up to the potential, then they may fall.

Here are the Heisman Trophy odds.

Arch Manning, plus six Hunge.

Cade Klubnik, number two overall odds, alongside Nussmeyer.

Jeremiah Smith, Ohio State new quarterback.

He's always open.

You know that.

Drew Aller, obviously, I like the way their season ended.

Now, granted, everybody wants to win a national championship.

In making a massive mistake and having to sleep on that all offseason, I think could be good for his development, or it'll expose him as a guy that was never supposed to be.

It's one way or the other up there.

James Franklin, too, in that conversation.

Lenoris Sellers, Ty Simpson, simpson carson beck plus 2000 uh dj lagway plus 2200 down there amorit

why is that did you see the did you see the cover of the uh the need to know gamblers guy i don't know if you saw that did you see did you see the graphic down there great job up on there yeah it is a great job

just a little bit in front two two dogs just a little bit in front of the other you know

top what top four yeah absolutely he's got thighs for arms Lagway?

Yeah,

Florida is a major part of that SEC show, and a lot of it's Lagway and Billy Napier.

And Lagway is one big son of a bitch.

Teams that aren't on there are probably pretty bummed out.

Like, for instance, West Virginia, I assume, would just be in the top 25 because of Rich Rod's aura.

It is all the way back.

Now, this was ripped off of somebody.

That was ripped off of somebody.

That was ripped off of somebody.

But what was happening here is Rich Rod was ripping the shit out of somebody.

And that particular somebody was the guy wearing the stripes.

I think.

This has not been confirmed, but I've seen this particular action before.

And he'll really give the tell at the end here because the guy in the stripes fucks up again.

And then he has to raise his hand and say, we're going in.

We're going.

Going in.

Okay, so what happened here, just a little explanation.

Pause.

Okay, that's stripes right there.

Okay, that's an equipment manager.

That person wears the stripes, everything like that.

He used to spot the ball for the drills.

Okay.

Rich Rodriguez, his old mantra, okay, used to be spot the ball.

We had it on shirts.

I think the West Virginia University people used to promote it like West Virginia football spot the ball.

The statement was spot the ball and get the fuck out of the way.

That is the entire, that is what the actual mantra was.

And it was to refs, okay, that we're going to tell these refs to spot the ball and get the fuck out of the way because we're running like that.

We're running fast and we're beating people up.

So the equipment manager has to be the ref.

Need you to spot the ball.

You got a script, okay?

I think what happened here, now continue to play a little bit.

And

this guy just creeped in.

He's in charge, okay, of making sure equipment manager did good.

So they are both definitely, definitely getting it right off.

Because he said, I'm sick and tired of having to coach everybody on the field.

He's talking to him, but he's also burying stripes over there.

He's burying them and just right in front of him.

Seen this before?

It is a fantastic.

A fantastic wizardry of words is what Rich Rod's able to do.

And the fact that he still is this fired up about a ball being spotty is a magical thing.

A great idea on your part for the book is I got a quote from the head coach on every single team on kind of what, you know, they're kind of looking for this year.

Rich Rodd's quote from the book.

I don't know what the last couple of year stats were.

Our goal is to be the fastest playing team in the country as far as ball getting snapped goes.

Boom.

Spot the ball.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that stripes right there, that equipment manager is a vital piece of the entire operation.

Defensive side too.

Oh, yeah.

Like, hey, you got to get that ball spotted.

We got D1 athletes, okay?

We're paying these dogs here to be here.

You, equipment manager, maybe never played in your life, okay?

You got to get in there and get the hell out of the way while these dudes are exhausted, puking, running at each other.

Spot the ball, get the fuck out of the way.

And I think he's going to learn.

You know, this ain't Neil Brown's operation.

Okay.

He might have been a little bit of a carryover.

But the West Virginia Mountaineers,

maybe this year.

I mean, with what I'm seeing.

Maybe this year.

I'm thinking two years whenever we get the full culture in there, Greg McElroy ain't going to help himself and put us up there at top 10.

Could be IU.

Could be this year's IU.

Strictly from Rich Rod's Aura.

I mean, it is a damn shame, though, because...

Nah, we didn't have 13 million.

Didn't IU have 13, 14 million or something?

Yeah, I will tell you, I know personally that we did not have that amount of money.

I almost know exactly how much money.

Go ahead.

If he had GG last year, there's a chance, you know, West Virginia wins the national championship of what we're seeing out of him this year.

Listen, Garrett Green is running Wild Brother at wide receiver for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Whoa.

Yeah.

And Garrett Green was a lightning rod for us.

Obviously, we didn't win as many games as everybody thought we should, so Garrett Green's going to take the brunt of that at West Virginia.

I don't think it was Garrett Green's fault ever.

He was on a show.

He's a dog.

He's playing a new slot white wide receiver guy, and he's doing it.

Lou Eromu?

Yeah, he kind of.

Might be.

Yeah.

Look out.

And you see him finding holes, too, looking for the quarterback.

It's like there is an advantage to being quarterback and then rolling into wide receiver.

Now, he's not the tallest.

I don't think anybody's ever going to call him that.

But he's a dog.

He did a lot of great things for West Virginia.

And people are saying, yeah, if Rich Rod had Garrett Green at quarterback, I mean, there's a chance we go.

People are also saying Nico Mataro

could throw the ball.

Spagues?

If we would have had Spaguet and Garrett Green at slot, you know, and maybe a running back there.

That's woohoo.

You know, maybe we were able to do our thing.

But Garrett Green was such a good leader.

You know, he had all the boys over at the house.

Remember?

Sure.

He's the guy joining us now, ladies and gentlemen.

He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk.

Walker, like that we're still growing the hair.

You look amazing.

How do we feel about West Virginia not being in the top 10 of either of these?

And how do you feel about Ohio State being top three when we don't even really know how it's going to go?

We just assume they're going to be great.

That has to be a great compliment to the people of Ohio.

Yeah, I guess I'm sure people are upset that they're not number one.

But, you know, like, I think we've talked about preseason polls in the past.

Like, I don't know.

I don't understand them.

I get, we talk about it.

I understand why they're here.

But it doesn't matter.

Who cares?

Whatever you are, use this motivation to try to get to the top.

Like, if you're Texas, say, great, we deserve to be here.

If you're Clemson, if you're Ohio State, say, hey, we should be be number one.

Let's go out there and prove it.

Yeah, the thought of Clemson being back in the combo was kind of like startling over the last couple of weeks as we're doing research, get back into the season.

Like, wow, people high on Clemson.

Completely forgot people were high on Clemson.

Like, that was a little bit of a take.

Then as I start reading it, and then you start putting the stats together, it's like, and Dat Boy is getting back.

I like the Davos getting back into the national conversation.

And a lot of it, with all due respect, to the teams in the ACCs, there's not a lot of other teams.

ACC stinks.

Yeah, and that's why Clemson last year was just a nothing because they lost to Georgia week one, 31-0.

And then Miami was the ACC team.

And then just the last two weeks, it turned into Clemson.

Now that the AP is out, now you're saying that, week one brought it up.

Three top 10 games in week one.

You have Texas, Ohio State,

LSU, and Clemson.

And then Miami on Notre and Notre Dame is on Sunday.

So that'll be your three top 10 games week one.

College football is so close.

Just a couple weeks, and we'll be over there in Columbus, Ohio.

Yeah.

Cannot wait to get over there, get back in the swing of things.

We'll be Lee Corso's last headgear, boy.

That's right.

I think that's going to be a pretty emotional show.

I would assume so.

I would assume that's going to be a lot of different, you know, call-ins or show-ups, messages.

Cameos.

Cameos.

Yeah, there it is.

That's the thing.

Huh?

Just turned 90.

Happy birthday.

Oh, yeah.

That was incredible.

I get an email.

Hey, Coach Corso's turning 90.

If you guys want to say anything, I'm literally just as I'm walking on the beach.

It sounds so,

I live that life now, though.

You should see me walking that beach.

I fucking love it.

Yeah, vacations are for me.

It is great.

I mean, I'm on cloud 1,000 up there walking that thing.

And I get an email.

Hey, Coach Corso's turning 90.

If anybody wants to say anything, I do.

From everything in this ocean, brother.

Because the amount of times I thought we know nothing about, the Bermuda Triangle was right out from where we were.

From where we were.

Don't go.

The Bermuda Triangle is right out there.

People are like, hey, you look right out there?

That's where the Bermuda Triangle is.

So I look at the Bermuda Triangle.

It's like over a million square miles or something like that.

And then I ask Grok, I said, Grok,

tell me about Bermuda Triangle.

What's going on?

Grok basically says, it's all bullshit.

Don't worry about it.

No, no.

Yeah, that's what Grok told me.

Yeah.

And I'm looking out there, man.

No.

I don't look like bullshit to me.

It looks pretty real out there, everything I'm seeing.

It's crazy when you look at the ocean.

Like how small.

Yeah,

yeah.

Holy Earth's so round.

Why can't you see it bend there?

What, the the ocean?

Yeah.

I don't know if I have good enough eyes.

I don't know.

Do you have good enough eyes?

Maybe.

The ocean's vast, is what I'm saying.

It's so big.

I know.

That's why it would be hard.

It goes as far as the eye can see.

So they say

the Earth after what, one mile, one and a half miles.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, Flat Earther and ESBN pundit, man who just signed a new deal this offseason.

We can't wait to watch him on our TVs every single moment.

And we'll help contribute to that by adding him on our show.

Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Rolovsky.

World's round, Dan.

World's round.

Yeah, I've been seeing a lot more stuff.

Like, I don't know, my algorithm

of like people who truly believe the Earth isn't round

at sphere.

Yeah, and it's not just your algorithm.

I think we give too much credit to algorithms as a whole.

We think algorithms are snowflakes and all individual for everybody.

We're all seeing the same videos.

Yeah, it's a problem.

Right.

We're all seeing the same stuff.

Some of them are bad.

They're just picking and choosing what we all see, I think.

Yeah.

Which is an interesting,

it's an interesting place to be.

I can think about that.

AI.

Pretty powerful.

Other countries do that too.

Yeah, dude.

Because we'll all come in here and be like, wow, a lot of murders on

this weekend.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, so I didn't ask for it.

I know.

Does it make you guys think?

Like,

it makes me for a second be like,

nice.

What?

Do you want to kill somebody?

I've done that too.

That exact same thing.

What does it make you want to think, Dave?

Just makes me think, like,

maybe?

Am I not smart?

Simulation.

Maybe.

Okay, Dan.

Well, God bless you.

And obviously, there's a reason for everything.

We understand that.

But our algorithms need to lock it up, I would say.

Dan, how much are you doing college ball these days?

I know you're big NFL guys commentating, right, aren't you?

Momentating NFL games.

You still do any college stuff?

Because the first AP poll comes out.

And obviously, Texas is the number one.

Clemson rounds out the top four with two Big Ten teams sandwich in there.

Georgia, people, forget about the dogs down there.

They still do Bloody Tuesdays or whatever it is with Kirby Smart.

And I believe Gunner could be a dog.

I think we all believe in him.

Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame going to be in the top 10 conversation every year.

I think that's just how this is going to go

until Marcus Freeman is no longer there.

Oregon as well, same conversation.

Alabama has more five stars next year than anybody else in the country except for Oregon, right?

I believe

I think it's Oregon and Alabama had the most five stars.

So it feels like the Kalen DeBoer era with Grubb as the offensive coordinator.

Now I remember didn't have him last year, could just continue Alabama's success, even though nobody's really expecting shit from the Crimson tide down there.

What are your thoughts, Dan, on how we kind of currently sit?

And no West Virginia in the top 25 of either the AP or Greg McElroy.

Kind of confusing.

Yeah, maybe they need bigger donors.

Yeah, I'm still all over college football.

I'm still part of it weekly for us.

That first weekend is going to be amazing.

I think about it like to your point, Clemson.

I think some of the teams that I find like super interesting is LSU.

One, have we heard anything about, and maybe you guys know more?

Like I saw all over the internet last week of Nussmeier and he's injured.

And I saw some reports.

I was like, God, I hope that's not true.

Is he healthy?

Is he not?

I think Illinois is a team that like control everything.

We don't need an answer.

Okay, you didn't want an actual answer.

That's on us.

That was a rhetorical question.

We misread it.

You're in a call.

What are we answering and asking questions?

Yeah,

well, I don't know.

That's on us.

What is the

Twitter was burning?

Everyone was reporting that it was like a torn ACL, blah, blah, blah.

And the actual reporters came out.

Jacob Hester, I believe he was at practice or whatever, former LSU, great, said, no, he's fine.

Everything's fine.

I believe he just bumped a knee with a defensive lineman.

Might have been like a knee bruise type situation.

I believe I saw a report that he has a sleeve on it, but he's back at practice.

So I think, okay, I think

major injury avoided in that situation.

Okay.

Okay.

So I think they're interesting because

Nussmeyer for me is the best quarterback in America.

You know,

Sellers is crazy talented and he can play himself into that conversation.

Klubnik, really good year.

Can he do it again?

I think they're a little more talented on the outside of Clemson than they've been in a couple years.

But LSU, just that game.

is going to be awesome.

I think Illinois is a team that like could just throw it all for a loop.

Just get the style of football that they play defensively.

They're going to be outstanding.

That's kind of become a calling part of them.

But just the old school style of football that they play.

Penn State, that's the best Penn State team James Franklin's ever had.

Aller's another guy that I think there's a camp that sits there and I'm in this camp that goes, man, if he gets it together and just continues his development, Penn State will be in the playoff and he could become the number one pick of the NFL draft.

And then there's a camp of Aller will never put it together.

He's always just the big, tall, athletic dude that, you know, maybe doesn't become the complete quarterback.

So I'm all about college football, Arch Manning.

How good is he?

So that first weekend is going to be awesome.

I've seen, I've heard some people that I have a lot of respect for say that they think Arch Manning probably sixth or seventh best quarterback in the SEC.

We'll see.

We'll see how that goes.

I don't think that's the case.

There's a reason he's number one for Hospital, I think.

And I think we all need to remember.

He got concussed last year.

Yes, he did.

Stood right back up.

Didn't let anybody know about it.

Might have a celebrity last name, but

he's got blue-collar work ethic out there.

He's an all-bruh player.

Yeah, he is.

Oh, bro.

Everton.

All time.

Especially whenever you have that name, people are going to buzz.

Can't wait for college football to get back.

Should be a fantastic start.

Now, let's talk NFL ball.

Feels like you did a lot of research and did a lot of judging.

You know, we had top 10s for everything.

Top 10 for mechanics.

Top 10 for ball placement.

Top 10 for arm strength.

Top 10 for great legs, top 10 for all this stuff.

You had top 10s across the board for ESPN.com.

Massive respect for the amount of work you put in.

Also, appreciate you feeling as if you could be the authority on this entirety thing.

Darius Butler has a question for you.

Yeah, Dan, first of all, beard looks great.

This is one of my favorite lists I look forward to going into the season.

I want to know, were there any surprises going into this?

And Jared Goff, I feel like, used to be one of your guys.

Why does it seem like you hate him now?

You get a new shaft yet?

What are you doing?

Driver.

What am I?

Can you put some context on that?

Surgery?

Yeah, come on.

College teachers.

Yeah, you can.

Jeez, guys.

What's going on?

What happened to your shaft?

Okay, so I posted a picture.

That's sort of

the shaft was.

The driver's shaft was a little bent.

Oh, I'm going to go ahead and get told him, hey, you know, it isn't a left or right.

He told me to get a steel one.

I'm like, nobody uses a steel shaft.

I don't care.

I just want to let you know.

You got dog legs.

I did not know what we were talking about there.

I had no idea.

Please did.

A lot of shafts, Doc.

A lot of shafts.

Golf is great.

So just answer the question, huh?

Golf is great.

Top 10 shaft.

In your top 10 or.

So here's the.

That's a good question.

Here's the

here's kind of like the conversation around the top 10 list.

First of all, Jared Goff campion.

Got it.

Yeah.

Is that what you say?

No, no, no.

It's a great season.

No, second year.

I love Jared.

So second year that they've asked me to do this.

And it's a bunch of different categories that you guys have taught.

I'm being serious here that you guys have talked about.

So, you know, like there a lot of times the top four are kind of like any mix of Josh, Lamar, Joe, and Patrick.

And then, you know, there's, I'm of the group that still think that there's 10 or 12 like other just really, really good quarterbacks in the league right now.

And so I put a list of 10 and then it's a conversation of like, hey, you don't have Justin Herbert in there.

I'm like, man, Herbert should be in there.

And then so it's like, okay, well, who could I take out?

And then, man, you don't have Jared Goff in that one.

Well, who could I take out?

Or, you know, there's no Dak in there.

So it's like, there are moments when I try to give love to a guy that I think is probably worthy of being in that top 10, but it's like, I can't take somebody else out.

And so

there is a little bit of like puzzle piece fitting because,

you know, trying to just be respectful of so many different guys and it's like boom so we're playing politics

yeah so we put Jared Goff in one of the top tens

yeah and I'll tell you what Detroit noticed Dan that thing wasn't out for more than maybe I don't know 30 seconds on each one five maybe three and a half minutes and Detroit was like oh here we go again Dan Roloski Dan I was pissed off one of the best offenses in the league last year top five quarterback in the league last year I mean decision making with the football ball placement there's so many things that Jared Goff does great and he didn't even have him on there did Aaron so like did Aaron lose his mechanics?

His arm got chopped off, actually.

He's got to throw things.

Oh, he started working with Artie Smith.

Yeah, he plays with Steelers and Artie.

So, yeah, so his mechanics might be bad.

Yeah, I understand.

Because they say his form actually is

the mechanics.

Sorry, though.

Sorry.

It was covered.

We got a lot of time.

You want your quarterback to live.

Ball plays.

Got a lot of good players.

Yeah, it's

making a top 10 list with so many quarterbacks is tough, man.

Tough.

It's tough.

I didn't even realize it today until the end of first stake.

They were like, you don't even have Mahomes and top 10 mechanics.

And I was like,

fudge.

I mean, I'm not going to talk my way out of that one.

Fudge.

I thought,

God.

Listen, every once in a while, you got to slide a six and a seven out to get some 12 and 13 and some other one in there.

Because I'm going to see these people.

I'm going to see these

mechanics.

I'll tell you what, Aaron did forget how to throw.

So

I do respect that.

What do do they call him?

The greatest ball.

Yeah, but he's got some extra weight now.

Yeah, you're right.

Artie Smith.

Is that what it is?

Maybe.

Oh, you're talking about being married?

I don't know.

Hey, Jay, you tell me, you think Dan Orlovsky doesn't think he can throw anymore because he's married?

I don't know, Dan.

Is that what you're hinting at?

Dan?

You think it's the wedding ring on the left hand?

His mechanics?

Is that what happened to Dan?

Not going to be able to do it.

Not focused on ball or what?

Not going to be able to do it.

His mechanics?

Just not.

I don't have a good explanation for not having him on there.

I don't.

I don't have a good explanation for that one.

We lucky.

Hey, I want to let you know.

Okay, sounds good.

We're happy we got that cleared.

We appreciate you doing all the work and just putting yourself out there to do this.

I mean, because all we do is literally what we just did.

Everybody does that as soon as they look at your list.

And you know that.

Your shins are just in every single different room.

Bang, the bang, the bang.

What does Dan know?

Oh, he put us at one at this one.

Can't even get to that because he put him at three at this one.

Dano to know shit.

And then Pittsburgh hates you.

Detroit hates you.

I mean, there's some pretty active shit talking cities.

Let alone what you said about Jalen last time.

We're not going to get into it.

We're not going to get into it.

But we appreciate you swinging.

What did I say about Cannon?

You're on the beach.

I already forgot.

Yeah, yeah.

It was a good day.

It was a good day.

It was a good day.

We had a great day.

Speaking of a great day, let's talk about a great night, especially in Cleveland.

Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah, Dano, I'm actually around a lot of Cleveland Brown Brown fans and leading up to their their first you know the preseason game on Friday a bunch of the fans told me hey this is our Super Bowl tonight Shador is going to get a lot of time like we want to see what he is able to do I know you guys have gone over and over this he played very well I was I was very impressed actually by his presence how he had a command of the huddle his confidence on the field but what do you make of this and like how different is a defense in say the first or second preseason game say to the first or second regular season game what kind of different looks will they give you as a quarterback great question yeah So, like, you know, going into these games, you guys obviously experienced it and then hear a lot of people talk about you want to, how he handles it, how he operates, you know, the pre-snap communication, post-snap execution.

Does he look like he's, you know, seeing everything clearly?

And like, that is said because it matters.

And that was one of the things that stood out was just how comfortable he looked in and out of the huddle.

There's multiple times where, you know, he's sticking his hand up at the line of scrimmage, talking to his receivers, like, hey, you're good.

Don't worry about any blitzes.

Our protections are fine.

So, you know, when I watch that,

it tells me like he's understanding what he's looking at.

That matters.

A big deal.

I think the thing that, like,

one of the things that I took away was he was pretty aggressive with the football.

That tells me like confidence, you know, that again, he's seeing how rotation happens.

Now, he saw a lot of backside safety drop down man coverage.

So that you're not going to see like you'll see that in the league obviously a ton um he didn't see a ton of pressures he didn't see a ton of blitzes you know some of the stuff that some other quarterbacks saw like seattle was throwing star wars stuff at geno smith so um you know he didn't see that but i do think that

walk away going um you walk away going man the operation was clean he looked comfortable you saw athleticism the decision-making was spot on he had two or three drops even in the midst of the stat line.

So, you know, this play is awesome to me because it shows reaction.

He remains a passer.

He doesn't bail.

He stays in that really good pocket of throwing presence.

And then the throw, the ball placement, face mask or higher, belt buckle or lower down in the red zone.

And this one's belt buckle or lower to protect that guy.

So

here's my thing.

All reports in training camp have been.

overwhelmingly positive with Shadur.

Like, hey, another good day for Shador.

Then he gets in the game.

He plays really well.

At some point, the Browns are going to have to sit there and go, we got to get him more reps against better competition with more of our higher-end talent.

I've been in the camp start one of the rookies, and it gets really hard to not walk in there this week and be like, let's get him reps versus the ones with the ones and see what it looks like.

Oh, yeah.

It's time.

It is time.

Put your watch up, Dan, if you believe.

Dan, put it up.

Yes.

Apple watch.

Somebody send him a text.

Somebody send him a text.

It'll pop up right there.

Those rings aren't even close to being close.

Yeah, you got to maybe do some more steps instead of drive around where you won't be healthy.

Dan, I like everything you're saying there.

And we had an all-brah team.

I don't know if you saw that.

Bruh.

Because it's, brah,

great, great work out there.

But also, bruh, it's pretty season.

It's better than playing ass.

I can't say that enough.

These guys have played good, and people just want to mock and ridicule them for its play.

It's like, what are they supposed to do?

Play like shit and then what?

You know?

So I think we should celebrate it, but we do got to keep it in perspective that, bro,

Miles Garrett was sitting on his sideline.

Miles Garrett and Shador actually had a conversation after Shador's time.

Great interaction.

Miles and he seemed to get along well, which is good play by Shador

to win over Miles.

And also Miles probably the same way.

And Shador asked Miles if he thought his little spin shit could work on him that he was doing against the guys that were out there.

And Miles was like, come on, man.

Come on, come on, come on.

Like, basically, like, relax.

And then I think they both said, that was some shitty DN play out there.

It was like, yeah, it's preseason football.

But once again, not Shadora's fault.

This is the only opportunity he's getting to play out there.

Interesting situation for the Cleveland Browns.

Maybe they're good.

Now let's stay in the state of Ohio, shall we?

Let's go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lash out wagon.

By the way, it's kind of like a punch.

Yeah.

You know, you could do like a little.

Big uppercut.

Yeah.

It's like soccer.

Like a soccer thing.

Yeah, it is like a soccer thing.

Now, I wear watch on left hand because I am righty.

Yeah, same.

But he puts right hand up, I think.

His, if you looked at the...

Well, he can't do left hand.

I go right here, too.

Who are we?

You put watch on right-hand, don't you?

Are you lefty?

No, I'm alrighty, but I don't follow their rules.

Okay, I like that.

Good for you.

There's no rules.

There's no rules on watches.

Yeah, I want to look.

You know what's more natural?

Fucking right there.

Boom.

That is what I.

And also now.

Bang.

Yeah.

And also now, really, just.

What time?

Yeah.

I don't even know if this one has the right time on it.

You're going to have to certainly look at that, figure that out, because I've been told I can't reset it.

That sounds like a waste of money.

No,

it's a fucking

math equation.

I got to do the thing, the thing, that the thing.

It's a little time-consuming.

You can do it.

No, maybe I put it on my right hand.

I thought they said it once, and then you're not allowed to touch it.

Well, just on TikTok, it keeps going.

But the thing about it is, whenever there's like a, you know, it falls back an hour or it goes forward an hour, this fucker doesn't know.

We need to get rid of that.

It's got no heads up.

I thought we were getting it.

Yeah, we do.

Yeah.

Which one are we getting?

You want to get rid of it, Dan?

Yeah.

Daylight savings time thing?

Yeah.

Get rid of the one that we do in the fall.

Just stay where we're at right now.

You don't want to fall back.

Yeah.

We like spring and fall.

I agree.

I agree.

I think you spring forward and then it's over.

Which is where we would be right now.

I just want to help big farmers.

However, what's the problem?

The farmers aren't going to be happy about that.

No big deal, though.

I don't think that actually.

Right?

Haven't the farmers come out?

No, you guys don't care about the farmers.

I thought they were military.

I think there's been some farmers that have come out and said, like,

I don't think

they operate on their own time.

I don't think it's bringover.

They don't get it done.

Because they'll take tractor.

Another ride.

Another ride.

Another ride.

No matter what time it is on Dan Orlovsky's Apple Watch.

That's right, exactly.

You know, they will certainly go and do that.

They always remember when.

What's that?

Get the A.J.

Hawk light.

Oh, the splunking.

Splunking?

Like the guys who are fishing outside my house had?

Yep, 11:30.

I thought they had spotlights.

Spotlight in my house.

Yeah.

Taped to their head.

Yeah, they weren't even, they had those things up there.

How you doing?

You're waking the babe.

Yeah.

You're going to send your spotlight in my house right now.

It looks like I'm getting swatted.

You know,

that's what it feels like.

Sorry, just trying to catch some bass.

Yeah, I get it.

I've seen too many movies with flashlights coming in through windows to know what's going on.

Let's get back to quarterback.

Conversation with Dan Orlofsky, which is his specialty.

The guy is the expert.

The guy is the expert.

Top 10 and everything.

Yeah, it's the best.

If you want to know what a quarterback, he's got him in the top 10, top third of the league.

Now, Jared Goff can't crack in.

Aaron Rodgers can't crack in.

Anthony Richardson, Danny Dimes, can't crack in, which I don't love.

But there's some other quarterbacks that aren't on there as well.

Go ahead, Ty.

Dan, let's stick in the same draft class as Shadur.

Why do you think that there has been next to no fanfare for Cam Ward still?

That was kind of the talk of the draft.

Like, hey, no one's talking about this guy.

He's unbelievable.

And I guess I really haven't seen much of him from neither training camp or, you know, from his game this week.

What are you hearing and what are you seeing from Cam Ward thus far?

Yeah, I don't know why.

I mean, I think there is a little bit of, you know, there was so much attention on Shadur in the draft process, and it was kind of like the foregone conclusion of cam going one i would tell you just watching the game the other night i think that he settled in early on you could just see uh sped up you know but he settled in in that second quarter and had some really good connections to calvin ridley this is a great throw on the crossing route i think the things that i liked watching week one preseason wise Seemed like he had good eyes.

You know, he confirms that shallow cross is getting carried by that or with that corner versus man coverage.

That's a beautiful crossing throw.

There's a ball over the middle of the field.

This one that comes twitchy, drop down coverage.

He sees the vacancy and the zone ball comes out.

Now, those were some of his traits coming out of college that you liked.

I think that the thing that I did see that's probably happened like three or four times in the game that you walk away with tape is we got to get him to like play a little slower and have a little bit more structure with his in his within his feet.

I think that he's one of those quarterbacks that,

has the ability to make a lot of different throws when his feet aren't set.

His body could be in unique positions because the arm is so talented, but he relied on that too much.

There's a ball he almost throws for an interception that almost gets picked off.

And it's you like his mechanics, his feet are all over the place and he's parallel to the line of scrimmage.

So that's why these snaps are meaningful for these guys.

So I think that you walk away encouraged by some of the things that he did post-snap while also sitting there and just harping harping on, hey, let's, let's mechanically get more consistent.

We don't have to fall back on throws.

We don't, even like this out route, it's completed, but it's not a perfect throw.

And if you look at his the throw, his feet are like slipping all over the place.

So I just think like the more reps he'll get to be more comfortable is going to be better.

Like, look at his feet here.

Like, he's falling away from that.

You can see his upper body

like moving away.

I want that ball to be just pulling that guy to the sideline.

I think he's a baller.

Like, that's right.

I think he is a gamer.

I think he's a baller.

I think he's a dog.

But I think with that, there comes a lot of things, like attention to detail and the footwork for a lot of time.

For Cam probably hasn't been a must for him.

Let's do other things.

And also, I see that elbow moving a lot.

It feels like that is a little bit of a, I assume all this will develop as he continues in the league or most quarterbacks from year one to year four.

I know the Josh Allen story is a very real one.

Cam's only going to get better, right?

All the things, because his moxie, he walks into the University of Miami,

everybody there says, this is the guy.

He walks into Nashville down there, Music City, and you hear Ridley like, he walks in the room and it's just like, we got a guy.

You know, everything else he can work on, right?

That's how we feel?

Oh, totally.

Yeah.

I mean, the character is off the charts.

The person and the mindset is off the charts.

And there's also a ton of physical talent there.

So, you know, you need to remember this guy, you know,

I don't know exactly what, you know, the offensive style that he played in at Carnet Ward, but or incarnate word, but at Washington State, it was chuck and duck, man.

So, like, those offenses aren't necessarily teaching a ton about footwork and whatnot.

And so, then he goes to Miami, and it's a little bit of the same stuff.

And so, go back to when Caleb William was coming out of school two years ago.

There's a little bit of that there, you know, where it's like there, he probably hasn't had to be hyper-focused on footwork and, you know, hitches and the balance of it all.

And so that's going to come because everyone raves about this young man's footwork.

Like even that ball, that ball should be out a hitch and a half to two itches sooner.

You know, Calvin's running a crosser over in the middle of the field.

The protection's flawless.

So get it, but that'll come.

He just, that, that's all going to come with reps.

Yeah, and I, people are going to hear what we're saying and saying his, you know, his footwork and this is going to have to get better.

And they're thinking to themselves, well, he's had a lot of success already.

He's number one overall pick.

It's like every position, once you get to the NFL, it's all about the details.

It's all about the tiny little thing.

Like for me, punting, it was in my drop, like learning how to drop.

I had to stand at my bed at night and just drop this thing like a thousand times so that it would drop flat.

It's like all the little tiny things they can continue to improve on.

And everything said about Cam Ward is that he will.

And I love that for the AFC South.

Okay, I want to let that be known.

We know Houston's got what they got.

Yep.

Sure.

Jacksonville's got a kicker that's hitting 70-yard field goal, snap, hold, kick live.

Absurd.

Bruh, it's preseason.

Brahma.

That is so far.

That is so far.

Legit.

That even makes sense to me.

So far.

That is unbelievable.

Like I saw that and I'm like, my tweet was this is legendary, just strictly because it is.

Like everybody dreams of an opportunity to get a 70-yard, like a kick, but to make it, like, I had a 66-yarder, I think, in preseason, pulled it left.

So bum.

Never going to get that shot again.

But

I make that kick.

I feel very good about my life forever.

Cam Little hits a 70-yard field goal.

Who cares if it's preseason or not?

I don't like the vibes down here.

Yeah, no extra steps, too.

Like Tucker's 66 against the Lions in the game, technically.

So maybe that was the difference.

He had that extra step.

Little was just two steps and a swing.

What a kick.

And he's not a gigantic Jubilee.

Yeah, I don't know how he did it.

I honestly have, and I think he was perfect on extra points whenever he was at Arkansas.

It's normal if you have a big leg, every once in a while you get a little bit out of control.

Seems to be, I don't want to say undersized, but he doesn't look like he is a gigantic human.

Anyways, around the AFC South, everybody's really doing it.

Here in India, I don't know if you've heard, Dan.

We got good competition going.

Boys were battling.

What are your thoughts?

Was disappointed that Anthony had that play.

What play?

Whose fault was it?

What should happen?

This is on the quarterback.

Frickin' right tattoo.

No, I read.

I read from Connor and I read from a lot of people on the internet that this was not on this entire.

This, can I speak from outsider who doesn't have the highest football IQ on earth, but been very lucky to be in a lot of rooms where it happened.

You know, so I think by osmosis, I've picked it up.

This is something that if you were to play a lot of football, you would know, hey, this is the guy.

And then this is potentially 30, 40 yard gain as opposed to dislocated pinky.

That's certainly close.

He's still on you.

Yes.

But that thing, he's still taking a hit, probably falling down if I had to guess.

Yes.

But that is going to the running back and going, right?

And that's just something that like just naturally comes whenever that type of shit starts taking place.

Am I reading it accurately?

yeah so let's nerd out a little bit here so

this is this is it's second and 10 okay this is a relatively basic pass protection concept it's only five people blocking so the running back has no responsibility the guard the the left tackle left guard in the center are responsible for the left defensive tackle the left defensive end the mic linebacker so the guy that is standing on in between the hashes not him

him they're responsible for him and then the nickel defender okay the nickel

So there's four guys there right?

You got the nickel the defensive and the defensive tackle and the mic linebacker The center left guard and left tackle are responsible for three of those four whatever three it doesn't matter what of the three if any three of that four come they're protected if four

I'm on that side That's on the quarterback, okay?

And that's why when Anthony catches it, if you guys play it, Anthony catches it, Anthony just stares left because he's thinking the nickel might be a pressure guy.

Because look over your right shoulder, Pat, that safety's right there.

Yep, that's called being capped off.

So, that a lot of times, when that nickel is pressed and the safety right on the logo is over the top, you're like, okay, that nickel can be a pressure guy.

So, I can understand Anthony looking at that nickel guy and saying, if he pressures, that could be a problem.

The problem starts backside.

Rewind it.

Okay, so now right guard, right tackle.

They're responsible for right defensive end, right defensive tackle and that backside linebacker any two of those three any two so if any two come we're protected if all three pressure that's a problem now what happens is you teach your offensive tackle if that linebacker triggers he's closer to the quarterback than the defensive end

md most dangerous man he's probably saying yeah which is normally the inside guy Yeah, closest, easiest pass for the QB.

Yes.

Got it.

Yes,

most dangerous guy.

That's called a squeeze.

So like that tackle is doing the right thing and quarterback has to know then defensive end is unblocked.

So the simple part of that is yes,

that's on the quarterback.

I do think it's just hard.

The quarterback has to see both sides here, right?

So the coaching point is really, Anthony, I don't want you to look left and I don't want you to to look right i need you to see down the field and feel the color on either side feel that so while i understand anthony's telling me i know my left is a problem he's also telling me i don't think my right is and that's this that's where like as a coach you would have to sit there and go i gotta trust you to be able to handle this yeah and my

snap has been this yeah yeah just and know what you're every snap there's a problem every snap there is a problem.

And you have to know the answer to that problem.

Every single snap, and my comp has been this, guys.

AFC championship game last year,

the last play of the game when Josh Allen's running for his life and ball flutters in the air and whatnot.

That's a Star Wars problem.

Like that, if you get that, you're Drew Brees.

You're like, that's

all world stuff.

This one,

if you're going to start in the NFL and it's second and 10,

you got to be able to know what that problem is and what the answer is.

Okay, well, hopefully this will be a learning lesson.

I appreciate that he bounced up.

Okay, he wasn't out.

He's been practicing.

He had a dislocated pinky.

It was ugly.

They fixed it.

He moves on.

Hopefully, this is something he can continue to learn from.

You've said it twice now: Star Wars stuff, Star Wars stuff.

You said Seattle saying Star Wars stuff at Geno Smith.

Was that the sign pregame?

Oh, was that the sign?

Is that Star Wars stuff you're saying?

Like, man, this is Star Wars stuff.

Go forth yourself.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, may the fourth not be with anybody.

You know, like that type of stuff.

Is that what you were saying there?

Or you're saying.

No,

I didn't see the sign.

I saw that Gino, like, did he gave somebody double birds?

Yeah, and Pete Carroll actually had his back.

Crosby followed suit as well, which I respect and appreciate.

Gino gave a lot of good years in Seattle.

Bigger bust, Geno Smith, or Jamarcus Russell.

That's what the sign said.

It was mean.

And then Pete.

Yep, there it is.

Bigger bus, Gino, Jamarcus Russell.

And then Pete Carroll goes to grab it.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, Pete Carroll was there.

That guy's always there.

That guy is always there at Seahawks games.

Sign man.

Sign man.

Yeah, that's his thing.

And then Pete Carroll was asked about it after the game.

He said, did you read the sign?

Okay, I had nothing else to say about it.

It's just the same right here.

Phil Smith was seen at the Seahawks game making an obscene gesture like at a van with a sign.

Hell yeah.

I don't remember that.

Did you see what the sign said?

Yeah, I saw it.

Next question.

Love that.

Beast.

How about the journalists, though?

Obscene gesture.

Obscene gesture.

The kids watched it.

He's a gesture.

Is that okay?

I love her.

But that was not the Star Wars stuff you're talking about?

What are you talking about?

Star Wars stuff.

You've said it multiple times now.

Exotics or what?

Oh, exotic.

Yeah.

Yes.

Exotic.

Like, I think Mike Martz was the first person to say Star Wars stuff around me, maybe, but

Star Wars, outer space.

And you're like, you're seeing all these different movie parts.

Yeah, ghosts.

You're seeing ghosts.

Out of this world.

Let's talk about one of these Star Wars guys that plays football.

We've learned more about.

Quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Go ahead, AP Tom.

Yeah, Joe B.

He's a bit spacey, and he's also also very, very good.

He was in a lot of your top 10 lists.

He's playing early in this preseason.

Bengals are notably slow starters.

Week one, week two.

Him and Jamar looked like, I don't know, like they didn't have an offseason.

Do you like the Bengals and Joe playing early?

And do you think it matters because, I mean, Tanner McKee looked like Tom Brady?

Yeah, McKee looks like

a trade potential for somebody at some point.

Yeah, I like the fact that they're playing.

I've actually become a little bit warmer to guys playing in the preseason in the past.

I don't know if it's because later games or you know, the quality of the conferences seemed to be so high, specifically they have seen.

So, I like the fact that they're playing.

I would probably play them a little bit in the second game as well.

Um,

and like, yes, but also, did you see the defense?

I mean, the defense looked just as bad as last year.

Some of the running lanes were just, I counted probably like seven or eight snaps that the Dengles had multiple defensive linemen in the wrong gap.

So,

you know, I do like the fact that they're playing them, but the defense still remains a massive, massive, massive issue in Cincinnati.

Do we know if Mike Brown's not paid you guys 300 million bucks?

You're going to play all the fucking games.

Okay.

Preseason, postseason, offseason, you're playing all the games out there.

Will the Bengals be able to stop anybody?

Who knows?

Will they be on primetime television a lot because it's going to be electrifying?

Absolutely.

Can't wait to watch the Bengals, especially in that environment.

That place is a great home field advantage over there in the jungle.

It's getting an upgrade, I believe, too, right?

Didn't they agree to an upgrade to the jungle over there?

Beautiful thing, beautiful town.

Hopefully, a great team in the Bengals.

We can't wait to watch them.

Shador talks about a lot, but there's another rookie that we think has a lot of marks to use.

Well, go ahead, Doc Conman.

Yeah, Daniel, something you never do is go back and kind of take a victory lap for your take.

So I just want to say, you know, Jackson Dart was one of your guys, and he came out spinning the pill the other day.

What'd you see out of him?

And do you think that Russell is going to get a lot of time?

Do you think it's going to be, you know, first sign of any doubts that Jackson Dart might get put in because of how well he's playing?

Or what should our expectations be for the Giants with their quarterback situation?

Yeah, I wouldn't rush for Jackson Dart on the field.

I think Russell Wilson's the starter and hopefully has some success.

I think the best thing for the team and for Jackson Dart is that Brian Dables his coach for their foreseeable future.

And that happens if they're capable of like winning and being competitive this year.

I thought Dart looked really good as well.

I think the things that you liked were, you know, he made some, I guess, different kinds of throws that weren't demanded of him at LSU, some timing routes on the outside to the perimeter, balls across the middle of the field weren't just necessarily crossers.

I love that.

I thought he was really strong in the pocket.

That's one of his calling cards.

I thought out of all the kids in the class this year, I thought he was best in the pocket.

Just the strength and the climbing of the the pocket while remaining a passer.

You saw the athleticism.

The touchdown pass below.

Jordan Humphrey is actually an audible at the line of scrimmage.

So again, just verification, recognition, aggression.

I think the two things that stood out to me as far as like what you want to see him grow at, and this is why I wouldn't rush him on the field or part of the reason why.

He has a third down where he throws the ball to Dulcich, the backside tight end, and he misses it.

And everyone might sit there and go, oh, inaccurate throw.

And I look at it as he's just playing too fast.

He's got a corner route at the bottom, and it's like third and three.

I think of his first or second drive.

And he's ready to throw the corner route.

And the receiver is like four or five yards down the field versus man coverage.

And so it's just

the repetition and the growth and the experience of slow yourself down feet-wise because your feet tell you when to throw the football more often than not.

Again, a shotgun quarterback, an RPO-centric quarterback that maybe wasn't marked on the timing element of the past game.

So that's going to take time.

And then the second time was when he runs for a one-yard gain, not that big long run, but he scrambles for a one-yard gain.

It's a play-action pass.

He's got the chance to throw the crosser, and the underneath defender kind of tries to bait him, and he decides not to throw it.

And I'm like, good decision.

But then throw it to the running back in the flat instead of becoming a runner.

And so just, hey, why did you not throw the ball to the back?

You know, so I just think, you know, more experience it had in that.

But I would be as encouraged as I was with Shador, I would be equally as encouraged as I would be for Jackson Dart.

And Caleb Williams

didn't play.

I was disappointed that he didn't play.

I understand not playing him without the starting offensive line.

I would love somebody to ask Ben Johnson, why did the starting offensive line not play?

And then subsequently Caleb get reps.

I think he needs reps in this offense.

So I don't okay with him not playing without the starting offensive line.

But why is the offensive line playing then?

Well, they paid a bunch of guys.

Don't want to get them hurt early.

Okay.

And also a lot of vets.

Yeah.

Yeah, sure.

I mean, again, I would understand that if you tell me, I would understand that.

Those three guys internally are vets, but I don't know the answer to the why they didn't play.

You're the man.

Enjoy yourself.

Thank you for talking to us during your travels.

Thank you for taking it on the shins from the rest of the world and putting out these lists that we can react to.

You're welcome, boys.

Oh, he's AJ, you need a haircut, bud.

Whoa,

oh, AJ, you're gonna take that, dude.

He just

about three to six months, probably, Dano.

I appreciate you, though.

Oh, he's I thought you'd keep it tight around the sides.

No, he's growing it out.

I did.

I gotta grow it.

You know, it gets

pinched in a little too far.

I gotta grow it all out before I do anything else.

We appreciate you, Dano, for your belittling, your haircut analysis.

Dano, the staff are gonna be okay.

Sorry, Pat.

Is staff are gonna be all right?

Good question.

Scare.

From everything that I'm aware of, yes.

New news since our conversation has started with you.

Today he's out there in street clothes.

McVay said maybe he does individual drills today.

He's not.

So they lied to us.

They lied.

And has anyone did people or was it a setback?

You tell us, Dano.

You're friends with them.

Text them.

Everything that I know is

going to be fine.

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Acts are weird.

I'm genius.

I am too.

We know Stafford is like the toughest dude on the planet, too.

Like, he, like, that dude will play through anything.

We, uh, we have massive respect for Stafford.

I also have massive respect for people getting fully healthy before getting thrown back out there.

Yep.

So I don't want to hit the panic button yet, but this is abnormal, I think, for Matthew Stafford personally.

As a viewer of Matthew Stafford, Draft Class 2009.

Draft class still holding it down.

Tough, tough.

I've seen someone get an epidural.

They were in a lot of pain.

So if Matthew Stafford holding that money, yeah, that's a tough thing to do.

That's bad.

Giving birth or playing football, he does.

Jeez, Luis.

He's okay.

A lot of people say giving birth is like playing football.

Nope, I'm not saying that.

You could say that.

I've watched that whole thing.

That is crazy.

Very thankful for it all.

Devontae probably thinks he's cursed.

There was something I wanted to say before we got out of here.

Oh, fuck.

What was it?

I forget what it was.

Stetson Bennett's Raising Hell?

Yeah.

Okay,

I do like that Stetson Bennett took a year off.

Yep.

Said, I can't do it.

Comes back to the Rams balling out in a preseason.

He's a dog, through and through, Stetson Bennett.

And he does raise some hell down there now.

He does.

Justin Roseman is out.

Oh.

That's it.

Justin Roseman spawned yesterday.

Thank you, boys.

Thank you, boys.

Now, as soon as I see Scotty Scheffler around the 14th, 15th hole, seemingly get out of it, even though he could have still got in.

I thought he might have chipped in to tie that thing.

Like anytime Scheffler's on there, I'm thinking it's a real deal.

Watch because he gets the lead in the second hole.

It's like, all right, we got another Scotty Scheffler day.

Let's do that.

Thought Rose, Fleetwood, everybody was just going to collapse.

Thought it was going to happen.

So as the day continues to go and Fleetwood's still in, I'm like, hey, baby, Tommy.

Hey, Tom.

Hey, let it go, Paul.

I'm proud of him.

Rose battling back through that.

And then Spawn with that LAB putter doing his thing, making magic.

Golf was great yesterday.

And whenever Spawn and Rose go to a playoff holes in the playoffs obviously it's electrifying they both get a birdie in the playoffs so it goes parv rim jobs both of them uh second hole both of them get a birdie both of them make huge putts after being able to get on hole then they make new hole okay put in a new position then uh rose is able to get the win or whatever because jj spawn seemingly did a completely different putting motion after rose made the putt because he was closer than him the other way great battle though full cinema shout out to these boys putting on a show on a sunday that ended like 7.05.

Yeah, lately.

We're talking about that.

Was a long day of golf, and they were talking about how hot it was.

And the scoreboard not working because of the heat there.

So them not knowing what's going on on the 17th hole added to the drama.

Yesterday was great golf, AJ.

I don't know how much you got to see of it.

Them both making birdie, making putts in a playoff hole.

That was like dream situations for golf there.

And it certainly happened.

Well, I think the whole thing was cool because what, there's 70 that entered this field and the top 50 move on.

So seeing like they were updating you at the whole time, like 51, two, three, seeing who was on the line and every single put, like it affected players and whether they were going to make it to the next round or not and how everything works out.

So it's a good time, I guess, to watch golf, I think.

Kirk was 51, I think.

I think he made a birdie on 18 and it moved him from like 54

to 51.

Oh,

like so.

Someone else tipped it on 17 earlier in the day to go from 50 to like 46.

It was shit.

Yeah, there was a lot of magic.

They had two scoreboards.

You know, it was like a high-low for whenever you're playing poker.

There's two different hands.

There was like a high-low situation going on.

Golf is beautiful.

Shout out to golf.

Shout out to Scheffler, too.

I mean, he's just a dog.

Still doing it.

I think he was 4-under on Sunday or something like that.

He had the best round on Sunday of everybody else.

He just wasn't able to win it all.

It's like, and he looked svelte.

Yeah.

The fit.

He had the white pants with the gray.

He looked like very lean and mean.

It's like dad shape.

And so I'm giving a little,

I like that we're

human.

Yeah, he's much more than he was.

And we didn't have his caddies.

His caddy had to go home for families.

I mean,

he's acting now.

I mean, he was so good at having Gilmore show.

Yeah, so it's one of those.

He's good in jail, too.

He's not supposed to be there.

Yeah, Moxie.

Liv had a good finish, too.

Oh, yeah?

I did see some of that was on it over here.

Bryson DeChambo will be in the show tomorrow.

And I'm very excited.

He will be guest hosting IR2.

Cannot wait for him.

Lives here in Indianapolis.

They were in Chicago this past weekend.

I guess there was a bunch of fans from everything we saw.

Shout out to them.

Can't wait to chat with Bryson tomorrow.

Be a friend, tell a friend something nice might change your life.

We'll see you tomorrow.

Goodbye.

We continue digitally.

I feel like I hit all the checks.

Yeah.

Yep.

Got it.

Didn't sell the platforms, though.

With the golf.

Oh, that's okay.

Hit the golf.

Need to talk about the golf.

Really loved the golf yesterday.

It was incredible.

And like you said, it going until like seven o'clock and that like actually being like drama-filled and very entertaining for the last four hours, really.

It was incredible.

Those scores are the sweet spot, I think, too.

Like 16, 17.

The course did its job.

Yeah, Yeah, the course was tough, but the great golfers still played amazing.

Like that, that was 25, 30, too much, too easy, even.

Yeah, 50, 600, too hard, not cool enough.

16.

Yeah, I think you're right.

I think it's like the proper amount of big-time plays being made.

Yes, big plays.

Like the putts that were being buried.

Yeah.

Big putts.

He's some big plays.

Big Spawn, man.

What a year for Spawn.

That dude's life has changed over the last five, six months.

They talk about that putter being like, I guess he was ass at putting.

They said he's like 100 and something in putting, and then something came about whenever he got this LAB putter.

It's not working as well for me yet, but maybe I'm just trying to find my stroke.

You gotta get rest,

can I ask?

Can we go back to Dance Car?

What did what happened to your shaft?

We didn't really get to the bottom of that.

Yeah, I won't know.

Joe Hayden's second annual golf classic out there in Cleveland, right outside of Cleveland.

That's where they do that.

Posted a picture of the shaft, the driver's shaft.

You know, just a picture of me swinging it in it.

And it was, you know, the picture looked kind of funky.

And

he DM'd me like, hey, bro, you need a stiffer shaft.

Paul.

He did say, Paul.

He said, You need a stiffer shaft.

Paul.

Damn.

And I'm like, bro, I think this is actually a stiff shaft.

It just looks weird in the picture, blah, blah, blah.

And then I took a picture of the

driver's shaft.

Dropping your shaft.

Loaded in the chat GPT.

What kind of shaft is this?

It tells me, boom, it's actually extra stiff graph.

So he's like, oh, you got to stop using the graphite garbage.

But I'm like, damn, I think everybody uses a graphite grab.

They do.

They know graph race.

What's my driver?

Do we know what my driver is?

You probably also have an extra stiff.

I want to let you know.

You should have an extra stick.

I'm hitting the ball right now.

Oh, yeah.

Me and Gumpy played in a golf tournament, Phil Mains Classic on Saturday back here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, beautiful Plumboro.

I'll tell you what, the course was hard.

Literally and figuratively.

Sure.

All baked out.

Couldn't get a T into the T-box.

That's fair.

Hadn't had it rain in forever.

They're in the middle of a drought.

That's really hard.

You going bubble with that day?

Was that?

Driver off the deck?

No, no.

That's Bonier cabinets, by the way.

These particular piezons great with wood.

Put this out just to give love to the Bonnier's.

Sure, sure.

Because Billy Bonnier, all of a sudden he's Billy Bones, showed up in a full costume.

Always does, hi.

BC, Bonnier cabinets, logo, polo, tucked in, fedora, all blue, everything matches.

Gorgeous.

I mean.

Legend.

Absolutely outrageous looking.

But these particular Paisons

go wood.

Mm-hmm.

These guys go wood.

So I just want to do love.

I just want to show a little love because they sponsored one of the holes.

Shout out to everybody that was there.

Shout out to Daktronics also.

Built a couple scoreboards for Plumboro High School or Plum Senior High School, which got a new sign up front digs.

I don't know if you've seen it.

And I don't know if they ran out of spray paint and plum, but I'm happy that this thing has not been ruined.

I want to let you know.

The main one, it's really nice.

What's it say?

Whatever the case.

I didn't expect J.J.

Watt to bury.

the fucking, do they happen to do grass punching?

I saw that tweet.

I saw that tweet three hours later.

I opened my phone back up.

Because there wasn't a lot of service.

Obviously, we're in the middle of the hills out there.

So when you're at high altitude, your phone's working but at that altitude you're looking at the views you're having a good time you're talking to people you haven't seen 15 20 years do you want to pull your phone out at that moment and really live so i skipped a couple high altitude moments pull my phone out later i'm like oh no jj what just killing the grass he doesn't even know billy bones Billy Bonyor, when he met him out in Arizona, walks right up to him and goes, hey, what's up, JJ?

Big fan of TJ.

So he didn't even know that that was who that person was.

And I want to let the Larmans know.

There he is.

That is what he is.

330.

He looks taller than that one.

Five under.

What is the middle of the ball?

He's the dancer, right, from the party bus?

Yes.

Yes, he is the dancer.

He is in the back air.

Looks like A-Rod.

It does.

In the back air, Gino Romillo, former starting quarterback for a Palm Senior High School Mustangs.

Also, Joe Hadley, guy on the left air, Joe Hadley, all-time leading sacketter for a Paul Mustangs.

A lot of Italian.

That's all Italian.

Yeah, those are Italians, right?

It was an an Italian fest.

We were in the middle of it.

Actually had a couple of jellies.

One of the shots that you pies on.

Guy pulled out Gaba Gul out of his cooler, out of the golf cart.

That was delicious.

I'm walking.

Hey, Nick's dad, who was very gracious, let us sleep in his basement on like the good old days on Friday night.

It was great to be back in that basement.

Great to be back there.

It was awesome.

Gumps had the couch.

I had Nick's little brother's old room.

It was Arctic cold down there.

Oh, it's the best.

So Italian, everything.

Was pool open?

Frank was open.

Left open for us to arrive frank even say you want to jump in like good old days go ahead and do it it was awesome everything shut down by the way everything shut down yeah covet i think made everybody go to bed that side of town stinks so

i disagree mohan's we would have stopped that i must piss my pants mohan's was closed at 11 30 midnight i was very surprised he said we'll close at 10 everybody closed at 10 on the 386 is thriving covet sent everybody to bed and we drove through that topic oh it's all new brand new sheets okay yeah i was dying there brandy mcdonald's burger king's dead rudy sub still doing it but like Rudy Subbs still bringing it.

Still bringing it.

Burger King dying is a bad sign.

No, McDonald's thriving, though.

I think Plum just picked its allegiance.

Sure.

Say, we're not doing it.

We're in McDonald's town.

Yeah, and there's Hadley, obviously, inside Rudy Subbs doing his thing.

But Nick's dad was playing in this tournament.

I'm not going to say classic Italian, but him and Richie, who do a lot of work in Plum, brought a 15-year-old ringer into this thing.

15-year-old boy.

Genius.

So we run into the Paisons, and Frank Nick Stagg goes, you want to do a shot?

Come on.

Absolutely.

We go do this little Italian shot.

Guy he's with Rick Schutti fucking pulls out a cooler.

He's got Gabagoo.

He's got a little pet.

Are you knowing this guy's name?

He's got Rashuti.

There it is.

Rick Schuti.

No.

Richutti.

R-I-C-C-I-U-T-T-I, I believe.

Yeah, he's in a good concrete guy.

He's good contracting.

This guy's got a lot of jobs.

They don't build houses, yeah.

Yeah, they don't paint houses.

We don't know, actually, but we do know they build a lot of houses, a lot of them in there, huh?

Concrete guy.

Yeah, so is Nick's dad.

I mean, they're...

working together.

They're very tight.

Morala is the Richards, basically, at this point.

Richards running there, and Frank's coming in laying down on concrete area whatever the case.

Fucking cooler out.

And I'm like, all right, this got to be where the shots are.

Uh-uh.

Ice cold proshute.

Gobagul.

How you doing?

Whole plate.

Whole plate of gobblegool.

De mozzarella.

Mozzarello, yeah.

Fresh.

Italian on the logo.

Yeah.

We're speaking.

What's not English language on there?

And I'm just sitting Rolling Fields parking lot.

Just taking a little,

a little bit of this on there, a little bit of that.

Thanks, boys.

They were 15 under.

They might have won the tournament.

Did they win the thing?

I'm not sure.

It sounded like everybody won.

Check the website.

We did not win.

I will say,

we didn't finish, actually.

We played 16 out of the 18 holes.

Shotgun starts starting on hole four is tough.

Oh, man.

Ways away from the clubhouse when you're done.

Well, not only that, four to nine, because nine the turn.

Everybody's having a good good time.

Sure.

We were acting as if we did play nine full holes there.

It's hard to miss out on that good time at the turn.

You want to take advantage of that.

And we did.

We were only five holes in, though.

We weren't actually nine holes in.

So that kind of offset us a little bit.

You know, and then we're going down around the back nine.

We get to hole 17.

It's like, oh, we're at hole 17.

Oh, we're nowhere near done.

We still got this hole 18, one, two, and three.

So I think it was set up for a way for us not to finish to kind of knew it was going to be.

We could have albatrossed the last four holes.

Sure.

So we'll never really know what our score was.

But yeah, we had a good time out there.

Shout out to the Mains family.

Great to see everybody.

Shout out to Rolling Fields, the Larman family.

Our friend owns it now, runs it.

Needs some water.

We need rain out there.

Yeah, I need a little bit of grass.

They need to be doing some rain dancing out there.

They need nature to cooperate with Rolling Fields.

What a time.

Gumpy, a lot of boozing out there.

It felt like.

It felt like everybody was very intoxicated.

Love that.

Yeah, the tequila to get it started about noon

wasn't ideal, but that kind of sends us on our way.

It was a reunion for like our whole high school, basically.

But it was all the people that we knew.

So it was like a perfect.

Yeah, it was like a it was a great setup, to be honest.

It was great to see everybody.

Raised money for a kid named Blake,

who had a heart, a couple heart things.

He was awesome.

It was cool.

It was a really good time back there.

The Phil Mains Classic delivered, and he showed it at Gabo.

Cool.

Amen.

I will say that.

I heard it was a great time.

My brother, Mikey Doggs, represented for the DeGilio family.

I saw him early.

Yeah.

I saw him early.

He was one of the first people I saw when we pulled up.

It's great to see him.

Gino Romito showed up with a crocodile

belt,

yellow shorts, purple.

That was four of the first people we had.

Well,

yellow shorts, purple shoes?

I think he just had, I don't know if he, I don't know if the shoes accessorized.

The shirt, though, was purple, yellow shorts, crocodile belt.

Hadley was actually wearing bowling shoes.

Hadley and Gumpy were getting after it.

Gumpy doesn't play, but he's there.

And Gumpy starts talking shit to the people that are actually playing.

But Gumpy's hit no bad shots.

Gumpy's hit no bad shots.

Nothing people who are golfing love more than a guy who's not playing, chirping them all day when they're not playing well.

Especially if you do have a hint of anger.

Which exactly strikes him.

He absolutely does, which golf happens, yeah.

Getting angry playing golf.

Hadley was a good golfer.

He was a lot better than I.

Every time I played with him, I remember, oh, this dude was a deck hockey.

Like, that is.

He's got the rotation.

He's got hands.

Yeah, got hands.

And

how how he's cleaning windows too.

He was telling me how he squeegees with no flubs.

Like, he's got great hands.

He's cleaning a lot.

Too many windows.

Yeah, no flubs cleaning those.

Call him if you need it, right?

Doesn't he love when you pub him up?

Give him some pub.

He's got too many windows, especially with the heat wave that hit Pittsburgh.

Give him a call.

I'm going to die out there.

I'm going to die out there.

I got too many windows.

They all need to be cleaned.

It just never ends.

Everybody has them.

Hadley's window washing.

Call him up.

He needs business and he's the best in the biz.

Nick's in the bus.

Nick's dad put his phone, his phone number on the fucking sign at the hole.

Yeah,

we took a picture with it.

The number's just right there.

I almost posted it immediately.

I'm like, all right, we don't need the house number getting blown up here.

What a time.

I said the same thing, though.

He's always bitching.

He's too busy.

I'm like, well, then why are you putting your phone number on the sign that everyone's going to take a picture of?

Yeah, why didn't you just put a bunch of these up and everybody will know who the fuck it was?

They should have just had the table of Gaba Gul right there on that.

I don't think they want to give it to everybody.

I don't think they want to get it.

I'll tell you,

the pulling of the cooler out by the Italians, they knew that my mind was about to be blown.

And by that point, I'm a little bit intoxicated already.

And they're like, hey, sit down.

I was going to say, probably ready for a belly full of cool.

Would you have lemon cello?

Because that

orange.

Frankie, I was going to say Frankie's birthday party is orange.

There were some jello shots at some point as well.

I remember a couple of those.

That guy's name was Colt, I believe.

He was a ringer.

This guy was a golfer, actual golfer.

It should be.

Chris signed him up to his team.

We did a little three-extra whole thing.

This guy was unbelievable.

He was getting us a bunch of booze.

I liked him.

It was good seeing everybody, man.

It was a lot of people.

Our entire high school was there, basically.

Good weather, too.

It was hot.

Yeah, it's been hot.

It's been very hot.

It's hot as hell.

Is it hot down in South Florida, too?

Yes.

Like hotter than normal?

Yeah.

So my daughter's actually in like a golf camp down there.

They had two instructors just this stretch that have had like heat exhaustion.

Gosh, so it's hot for you guys down there, too.

Like different.

I think the water is like 97 degrees or something like that.

Much warmer.

I went in the ocean down there.

It was very hot.

Northeast is still nice.

It was like 65, 70, 75.

Wow.

Way test.

People are looking for that right now.

Legit, yeah.

It was 60.

It was so nice because I was coming from Indy.

But it was 65 at night in the morning and 75 during the day.

Hey, Jay, you watching these training camps, wishing you were out there?

I can't say I'm wishing I was out there, but

yeah, I don't know.

I'm not.

But I like watching them.

I do enjoy watching them.

I do enjoy the clips that are coming out of it.

But boy, what we as fans now,

we're missing a lot of it.

You know, there's a lot going on other than than just this one play that's happening here.

The amount of like recovery and prehab, let alone just checking into breakfast 7 a.m.

You got to check into breakfast between 7 and 8 a.m.

It's like, well, I don't have anything till 10.

Check into breakfast between 7 and 8.

All right, I'll fucking go show face.

I'm not going to eat anything.

I'm not going to eat.

I'm probably going to go back.

You got to show your face at 7 a.m.

Well, this check round.

You forget about like every time.

Drug test.

We always talk about the whole building and how everybody's, like, I was just reminded with that Rich Rod with the guy who's playing the ref spot it get out of the way like everybody like those dudes It's so much shit on their plate.

So they got they got laundry They got to do this you got cars to line the fill you got to set up drills you got like you got to 4 a.m.

Wake up trip You miss one thing and you're fucking it up for everybody everybody It's crazy being removed from it.

You just forget all the other shit that goes into it So many pieces to the puzzle legit those equipment managers and the athletic training the athletic trainers are up at three and they're going to bed at midnight.

That's just kind of what the athletic trainers are doing right now.

People are saying these water boys make a hundred thousand a year.

It's like they fucking deserve they weren't working 150 hours a week.

They were

they're really going.

It's like I didn't even think about that.

Just forgetting how hot it is too.

Like when we were in Leitrobe, I was like,

I can't imagine fucking playing Prague and football in full pants.

And then you look over and some guys are wearing sweatshirts and sweatpants under it.

It's like, this guy's going to fucking die today.

Yeah.

It's, it's insane how hot it's been.

Yeah.

It's, uh, do you watch hard knocks at all?

I always saw clips.

I haven't got to sit and watch the whole thing.

Josh Allen had hoodie on underneath.

That was very, I was like, he's awesome, man.

He's awesome.

I'll tell you, he's,

I mean, he's

a cool customer.

Legit.

Like almost.

I didn't expect it to be as much as it is because he's the biggest shit talker too, right?

Like he's there.

He's got like a real Phil Rivers feel here.

Because like whenever he's leading and talking to the boys behind the scenes, and you know, whenever he's doing all that in the meetings and practices, it's like, this guy is like first-class citizen, you know.

Like, I don't want to say that shit talkers aren't first-class citizens, but you get it.

Like, everything he's saying is perfect for the exact moment that he's in.

And then they talk about him getting on the field, flipping a switch.

This guy's the biggest shit talker out there.

It's like, I kind of like that.

I like to be able to put the cape on and then go back out and just kind of do your thing.

Are they going to win it all?

He's so good at football.

The Buffalo Bills are going to win it all.

This year or like ever?

I don't know.

It feels like it's just because of how we speak of the Chiefs.

And like when I think of the Chiefs, I think of the New England Patriots.

And I know that anytime the Patriots and Brady lost a big game, that next year, they were going to be in that big game again and they were going to win it.

Yeah, so you're thinking what happened in the Super Bowl was a nice little reminder.

Just typically usually those guys, like you're talking about taking the cape off with Josh Allen.

I don't know if Mahomes takes the cape off ever.

I think he almost damn near just keeps it on year-round And now, you know, they're going to do it again.

I'm not saying Josh Allen doesn't work on the outside, but it does feel like him off the field from this hard knocks is like

president almost.

Like, goddamn president.

Like the way.

That's how it seems when he's signing autographs and stuff at Training Camp.

All those clips that come out.

Unbelievable.

It's amazing.

He says the right thing in every situation.

Like I'm listening to him talk about what training camp is and talking about getting away and seeing everybody.

And it's like, oh, he's giving like the best answer for everything.

And then he's walking past a bunch of kids that want his autographs.

Like signing after practice okay get like one person talking to a thousand people one person i'll sign you after practice and then they show him signing after practice to the bird it's like recognizing people that he has signed for in training camps past yeah it's like this dude is a machine like he's seemingly the perfect human almost at this entire and then they're like well he's the biggest talker in the game i'm like i love that oh yeah i love everything about that can they win at all that's the i mean they can they have to right that's the only expectation they got the fucking mvp it's gonna be the same question with him and Lamar every year.

Can they get it done?

Joe Burrow, Joe.

Yeah, Joe just went and lost.

But, you know, they are so, Dan just mentioned when he's putting the list together.

It's like those four on the top of every list.

But it's like, can you get it done?

Can you get over the hump?

And until you knock off, you know, Michael Jordan back to back, which is Patrick Mahomes right now.

It's going to be tough.

71 pounder.

He was in second place.

I don't know if you saw.

Catch 23.

Big white Marley.

Yeah, he was in a fishing contest.

He was finished second?

Yeah, I don't know if he finished second at the time.

He was

because he only had 71-pounder.

Yeah, but that's what's up for a lot of these.

Nice boat.

We were talking about the Broncos before the season or before the show today.

It's like the Broncos could, they have 50 million.

They could be really good.

Very good.

They could be really good, but they're in the Chiefs division.

So like, how do you even gauge all those defenses?

Yeah, defense is unbelievable.

We assume Bo Nicks is only going to get better, right?

We assume Bo Nick's only going to get better with Sean Payton and Payton loves them.

You can tell Sean Payton's obsessed with them.

Like, yeah,

I think the Broncos are in for a nice little run.

Now, think about the Broncos, though.

What they had to do, the decisions they had to make.

Obviously, the Waltons have a lot of money from the Walmart money and everything like that.

They own a lot of teams.

You get it, yada, yada, yada.

But hiring Sean Payton and then just being like, you're allowed to do whatever you want.

I want to get rid of the starting quarterback and have the biggest salary cap deficit in the history of the league.

Do whatever you want.

Do whatever you want.

If it ends up working, I'm intrigued to see what teams in the future start like being like, hey, we're just going to believe.

in what you do.

Does it start building patience with teams?

Does it start helping other teams?

Do people start moving on from bad contracts quicker and just take the hits if they're able to have the success going forward?

It's like, I think they will.

I believe in Sean Payton.

I believe in Bo Nicks too.

And I definitely believe in their defense.

Their defense is

outrageous, right?

Oh, yeah.

And they'll be part of the year.

And they'll be able to pay all the coaches.

So it's like they'll be able to, continuity-wise, I think, be able to keep everybody around over there.

It's like the Broncos are in a great spot, but they're in the AFC West.

Well, and I know like the end goal, obviously, like no one's just trying to make the playoffs.

You want to win the Super Bowl, but I think you would already say like his tenure has been a a success.

Like, I don't think anyone expected them to be as good as they were last year.

They went to the playoffs with a rookie QB their first year.

And then now, yeah, it's like the expectation is Bo Nix is only going to get better.

And when you have a defense like that, like, you know, that's the type of stuff that travels in the playoffs.

Like, they could beat anybody in the playoffs.

Congratulations to the Denver Broncos fan base.

They were going through it there.

Yeah, Brock Oswalder got like 80 million.

Yeah.

You remember?

Oh, yeah.

Trevor Simeon right after him, too.

I don't want to go through the whole thing.

Brock, handsome gentleman, great football player, very tall, everything like that.

Does great on TV, but it's like, there's been numerous times now where they thought they had it a couple times.

And then, do they got it?

Finally, it's not.

I was like, oh, shit.

Got it.

Yeah.

How about when Russ was there?

Like, they're six and five, right?

This is how the story goes.

They're six and five.

Russ goes into the office and Sean Payton's basically just like, hey, we're going to need you to take a pay cut.

Oh, yeah.

Now.

Oh, yeah, after a win.

Immediately, after a win.

Like, they went through the bad Russ.

Sean Payton damn near turned the Russell Wilson experience around because they started like one and four, and then they turned it around and they won all those games in a row.

And still, Sean Payton was like, Yeah, he's still, he's not our guy still.

We need to move on.

And it's crazy.

Football is the greatest, dude.

It is.

There's so much into it.

Business, medical.

So close.

Athleticism.

Relationships.

Yeah, what should you say?

Three weeks from Thursday.

That's insane.

We can make it.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Which means college football starts in two weeks.

Yeah.

Yep.

Let's go.

These fucking injuries are there.

Yeah, it sounds like every time something.

That Rashawn Slater bone is crazy.

And also, Micah, Trey, everybody.

Yeah.

You seeing that?

Because that's what, two weeks after he signs his deal.

Or one week after he signs his deal?

10 days.

It's like that.

His agent immediately, hey, remember,

we're good.

We're set up.

We got these clauses in here.

No voids because of this.

Your injury guarantee is actually this.

It's like the agent is calling and saying, good work on getting the deal done.

But Rashawn Slater is saying, damn, it's going to be a long recovery.

And

that's also another thing we don't talk about.

Like Stafford, he's in street clothes today.

Hopefully he's back.

He's getting epidural.

That's not fun.

None of this is, none of this is fun.

Dislocated pinky, not fun.

Like there is the negative side of it all.

And maybe it's a firework too for some people, but nonetheless, the recovery on the other side is an ass beating in of itself.

Good luck to all the boys on their recovery.

Yeah, especially, I mean, like Lynn Dickerson yesterday, I don't know, we don't know exactly what the injury is correct yet, but like you lose him and then you lose Makai Beckton.

That's two guys off of the old line, which was basically the most important part of your team all of last year.

Dr.

David Chow

said that everybody taking a knee.

Yeah.

Yeah, he said the knee taking is interesting, but it might be hot training camp.

Everybody kind of thinks that.

I like that he's riding shotgun.

Honestly, that makes me have a little bit of hope.

Maybe.

I don't know.

Yeah, the only thing that makes me think is carding for offensive linemen is a massive decision in and of itself.

Especially that offensive line, I would assume.

Like even getting on a cart is like a big decision for an offensive lineman.

But maybe they're like, hey, we need to go.

You need to not put any more weight on this.

And hopefully they'll get good news out of the MRI.

Because to your point, that offensive line was,

they were the show.

They were the show.

They were the show is that offensive line.

Now, Saquon, obviously, is the lead character of that entire show.

But that offensive line, what was it, 800 something yards before contact?

Yeah.

I think it was even higher at the end of the the season.

Said he would have been like the third, he would have been like the third leading rusher in the NFL just with his yards before contact.

And a lot of the unsafe ones, impossible to tackle.

Yeah.

So let me just go ahead and go ahead and put the biggest season of all time together.

All right.

We'll be back tomorrow.

Boys, football's here.

Here we go.

Here we go.

Here we go.

Yeah.

All right.

AJ, you're the best.

And we're going it out, huh?

Yeah, I guess.

Like I said, no rush.

Let's go.

What did Laura say?

I kind of yearned to.

I don't think I'm feeling that.

Is that what she said?

Oh, yeah.

What was that finished that we're coming in?

What is it?

Yeah.

I had the old bull.

I want the young calf.

She sees the sweat dripping down my body.

I got a luscious V of chest pews.

Going down from my chest hair to my ball throw.

And she grabs me by the penis.

What am I supposed to do?

What a show.

Shut the fuck up.

So is that what you're doing?

You're going back to the young calf?

Not me.

No, like, I got to grow the sides out, then I'll figure something out.

I'll cut it.

Young calf.

Hey, we'll be here for it.

I think now's the time to really try to do that.

Yeah.

Three weeks before the football season starts.

Just fuck it.

Whole new face.

You know?

Whole new look.

Why not?

A lot of people do that before camp, usually.

Yeah, we'll be pretty excited for it to kind of watch it all evolve.

We'll be here for it every step of the way.

Actually, a screenshot every single day.

National championship.

Oh, he's going to have a little

top knot.

Oh, yeah, he is.

Little bun.

Maybe a little samurai.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That would be sick.

I don't think that's the plan, but we'll see.

Hawk hair watch.

Oh,

2025.

Look out.

Never know.

There it is.

That's what we're looking for.

That's what Laura wants.

That's what we want.

I want to grow that back out.

No, I might get a perm before I do that.

Yeah.

Should.

Think about that affliction t-shirt coming back, too.

Oh, and then also,

also, bang.

Yep.

Bang.

Bring back the big boots.

Fitty coaches.

Oh, man.

Bang.

We can do it.

I should.

I should.

Especially if you're wearing affliction.

You have to.

Yeah, I I have to.

I think you got to walk around actually and just say, if you get in my way, I should bring it back.

It should bring the affliction back.

Get the jeans with the big laces, you know, and all that.

Paramount Plus needs to think about investing in affliction.

You know, you signed a UFC deal.

How do you get the pay-per-view buys?

New affliction shirt, $49.99.

Yep.

Who's the spokesperson?

Boom.

Tom Cruise.

Oh.

TC.

Affliction.

I'm not sure.

I don't know if any shirt TC is wearing.

Anybody's buying $49.99.

That's about $249.99.

That's fair.

Which is kind of the affliction ball.

He's the company, man.

He's doing it for Paramount.

He is the company.

Yeah.

All right.

Great work in the back, boys.

Way to get back in the saddle.

All right, we'll be back tomorrow.

More bullshit.

Bryson DeChampeau will be here for the entire second hour.

I think we have some other stuff happening.

You are the best people on earth.

We missed you a lot.

We had a great time off, but we certainly missed this.

We're lucky to do this.

We're thankful for this.

And it's going to be the best football season we've ever had.

I think so.

Bye, Wilbert.

Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice might change your life.

We're going to stay together.

Team on me.

Team on three.

One, two, three.

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