PMS 2.0 1381 - NFL Training Camps in Full Swing, Adam Schefter, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Overreaction Monday, July 28th, 2025, this program begins now.

Speaker 1 Football is happening all around us. If you're like us, obviously your timelines were filled with highlights and narratives and stories and football from one side of this country to the other.

Speaker 1 All 32 teams are making magic at their respective training camps and we'll talk about it all.

Speaker 1 We'll have highlights, our our top five, top five, top five, top five from going camping, and also some narratives, some storylines, and some developing stories.

Speaker 1 What's going on up in Chicago? Whoa. Not go.

Speaker 1 Well, I thought... Ben Johnson's offense with Caleb Williams was going to be an automatic kickstart to Caleb Williams perennial all-pro career.

Speaker 1 The perennial all-star, the perennial superstar, the consummate megastar, Caleb Williams, with Ben Johnson at the helm was going to really be ignited into who he could possibly become as a professional quarterback.

Speaker 1 He sucks right now. They're saying he sucks right now.
Ben Johnson's come out and said he's learning a brand new offense, his third offense in two years.

Speaker 1 Can we please relax for a couple of seconds and then let him develop and let him figure out what the structure is, where he needs to go, and then we'll get to the off-script place. Can we do that?

Speaker 1 And everybody's like, sure, but we're watching him. He sucks.
And your social media teams put a bunch of badging stuff up.

Speaker 1 And his dad, we know, arm wrestler, but he's also a hilarious dog from the thing.

Speaker 1 Tell your social team to stop burying Caleb because all we're seeing is the backup get the offense and Caleb doesn't, Caleb's dead.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson goes, we're three days in training camp. Can we all relax? Well, I've seen the stats from the training camp and it's saying, then J.J.

Speaker 1 Watts coming out and going, hey, hey, people are starting to be a little bit too serious with this whole thing. We thought we were joking with the stats.

Speaker 1 What we're saying is everything that we're seeing out of training camp right now, although it is either very spectacular on one side and absolute ass ass on the other, or reverse those two things.

Speaker 1 Everybody's trying to get better right now, everybody's working on things, everybody's learning things.

Speaker 1 I don't think we need to press the panic button right now, but if you see something good from your team, you should definitely think you're going to win the Super Bowl because that is what these weeks are all about.

Speaker 1 Now, on that note, will a team from Pittsburgh win the Super Bowl this year? They're going all in. Money's all over the place.
We'll get a chance to have boots on the ground.

Speaker 1 Wednesday, we'll be live from St. Vincent College in Latro, Pennsylvania.
Come up and see us. Come up and hang with us.
We cannot wait to see the fine Jinzer people up there. Obviously, St.

Speaker 1 Vincent College has been the host of the Pittsburgh Steelers training camp for like three, four decades at this point. It's a mecca, pretty much, of Steelers fans.

Speaker 1 And to make the pilgrimage up there is basically what every Yinzer kid has ever done from Western Pennsylvania. Go watch the boys build for an incredibly tough season.

Speaker 1 All the greats have been through St. Vincent.
And this year, obviously, it has Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf, Jalen Ramsey, Darius Slay, and a litany of studs, a roster littered with talent

Speaker 1 going all in. We will be able to catch up with all of them.
And also, a special teams coordinator who is one of the most hilarious humans of all time. Then on Thursday, we back that up.

Speaker 1 We'll be at the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Here we go.
Yeah. Because remember, on Thursday night, we got NFL teams playing football at a high school stadium.

Speaker 1 We'll be live from the Pro Football Hall of Fame. We'll be right in front of the entire thing, right on the corner.
Should be a great time. I think we're going to have some big guests.
I think.

Speaker 1 they got a lot of scheduling going on obviously the hall of fame festivities are what they are we are very thankful to be a part of it and uh you can come hang with us at both these shows hopefully you'll come see us i think there's a pretty big parking lot uh from the pro football hall of fame that we'll be right in front of and uh the guests should be big i think we're gonna get some big guests i hope so also got a guest coming from uh outside of sports world but ohio legend oh really that's how i'll leave it at whoa uh it's not just me here on this glorious overreaction monday obviously the talks and tables here at boston corner and at tai schmidt con man a a lot of good stuff coming out of Patriots Cam.

Speaker 1 We'll dive into it. And Ty Schmidt, the Range Goats hat, Bubba Watson had the weekend of his life other than whenever he won the Masters, obviously.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, listen, it is football season, and that's kind of where everyone's minds going. I get it.

Speaker 2 But, you know, when you see your favorite golf team go out there and just absolutely tear up the course in England, Bubba, driver off the deck, I mean, everyone wants to do this.

Speaker 2 Very few can actually do it, especially when, I mean, look at the way Bubba's going to open up here.

Speaker 1 Oh, baby.

Speaker 1 so this on a 13th hole I think they said he's like 236 out or something like that he carries it no problem with speaking to it saying cut cut cut slice slice it did he ends up making that putt for eagle but that wasn't the only time he won driver off deck on Sunday no it wasn't you know when you can do it once why not just do it again you know when you're feeling it you're you're gonna do it and that's what Bubba did once again so he he had that was either yeah 10 or 13 he did that was 13.

Speaker 1 Here's 13. He's 10 now.

Speaker 2 Here's 10. So this is the first one.
Bubba's feeling a little frisky, you know, and

Speaker 2 he had to go for it because Joaquin Neiman was up big. I mean, look at the undulation of that leading up to the green, and then boom, he's going to catch the slope.

Speaker 1 And, oh, no, it's tracking.

Speaker 1 It's tracking.

Speaker 2 Is that going to go in?

Speaker 3 Is Bubba going driver off the back

Speaker 3 right into the cup?

Speaker 2 No, it's going to nestle up there about four feet away from the cup, and he's going to finish that off as well for an Eagle. So, yeah, Bubba, you know, no big deal.

Speaker 2 I believe he played six under through eight holes to kind of get him back in contention. He finishes in second place.
I don't know. Is Bubba back or the Range Goats back?

Speaker 2 A lot of people are saying they are.

Speaker 1 It feels like golf might be back with us paying attention to Live golf,

Speaker 1 which is certainly awesome for the sport of golf. But watching Bubba do his thing is cool, especially with his entire story and everything he's been through.

Speaker 1 And now his, you know, newfound ownership of a golf team over there in Live. We're proud of him.
We're pumped for him. Yeah, anytime you go driver off the deck twice.
Now, it was on 10 and 13.

Speaker 1 And since they do that dumbass shotgun start, you don't know when.

Speaker 1 No, no idea. We have no clue.
He may have started on six.

Speaker 2 He may have started on nine.

Speaker 1 He might have started on 11. He could have.
So then 10 is actually 7, 18. You're right.
And then 13 would be 2.

Speaker 1 Nonetheless, we love that they play it like it's a fucking weekend scramble, raising some money for the local fire hall. We do appreciate it.

Speaker 1 But it is hard to follow. You know what I mean? It is hard to keep up with.
But we are appreciative of Bubba Watson being all the way back. I'm happy you're showing him some love.

Speaker 1 Let's go to one half of the hammer. God, cowboys ap tone hey a lot of football this weekend so much football

Speaker 1 football this weekend felt good to kind of see it back in our lives yeah i connor does the countdown to the actual first game of the season how many days are a week 38 days that's that is very very close

Speaker 4 i do the countdown to training camp because i live off of these training camp videos and stuff like that because it's so much different than like what two weeks ago where we were watching there was the internet was dead okay we had some golf and stuff like that but football when football is back even if it's training camp videos, like people can feast off of these and feed their passion and just their optimism for the season.

Speaker 1 And that's what I love. I love the optimism.
You know, some people kind of getting a little too panic button early.

Speaker 1 I think people are looking for that in their day-to-day. And just kind of off topic here.
Has your algorithm started showing up? Big-time fights and deaths and stuff again? Yeah,

Speaker 1 once again. Not fights.

Speaker 1 People just getting knocked off. Not fights.
Cincinnati. Yeah.
It's all that.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 We need to watch ourselves. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 We need to watch what people are saying. I'm not.
I saw Arkansas. Yep, that one too.
Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the wars are dying down a little bit on the algorithm, so it's more just, you know, fighting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, don't know if they actually are. We're not saying anything.

Speaker 1 We're just telling you what algorithms are.

Speaker 1 Hey, this is what you need to see. I saw somebody.

Speaker 1 I saw another...

Speaker 1 Dead body. I don't like that.
No, yeah. Had to mute, had to mute, and I don't know if I can talk to the algorithm, so I just start speaking into my phone.

Speaker 1 You're like, yo, yo, yo, yo, no death, no death. They can't have it.
Also, football's back. Just feed football.
I need to stop seeing people get their asses knocked out.

Speaker 1 And they're like, well, you need to see this one. Everybody's talking about it.
One more before you get to it. You need to see this one.
Everybody's talking about it.

Speaker 1 It's like, but it seems like the algorithm every once in a while will just have it where it's like, you know what? Just chaos. Yeah.
You need to see it. Look what's happening.
This is the real world.

Speaker 1 Bang, bang. See a train? Yep.
Somebody got hit by it. You know what I'm saying? Right in front.

Speaker 1 It's an interesting. But football was everything.
Scroll football, yes.

Speaker 1 Scroll, football, yes.

Speaker 1 Scroll, football. Oh, Shamar Stewart signed his deal.
Yeah. Okay, cool.
Okay, happy for Shamar Stewart. Scroll, guy dies.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's kind of hot. And then if my eyes accidentally look at it for four to five seconds, the algorithm goes, God, he loves it.
He loves it. Boom.

Speaker 1 Now all of a sudden, now all of a sudden it's one football highlight. dead body.
Yeah. Then it was like

Speaker 1 football narrative, McVay talking about Matthew Stafford. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 What the hell's going on on there uh-oh uh-oh yeah i don't like i don't coming into training camp you know i don't like that i mean he doesn't it's time to raise some hail in la boys what do you mean it's stetson's time okay it might be oh jimmy g slinging it on yeah yeah jimmy's just kind of a placeholder there for stetson you know you don't want to have a con quarterback controversy so you bring in old jimmy g hey stetson You are the guy.

Speaker 1 You are the prince who's promised, but we can't have you sitting behind staff. Staff's not going to like that.
He knows you're a Georgia boy who raises hell. You know, I think staff.

Speaker 1 I'm a bit of a fucker. I didn't staff and stats and get along just fine.
Handsome Jimmy G's back in the place he's supposed to be, which is Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 But I was staring at that video longer than I watched it. Sure.
Just so the algorithm would see me looking at that. And then lo and behold, one-time scroll,

Speaker 1 dead. It's just like, oh my God, it's hard to battle right now with the algorithm, but anytime football is showing up at the level in which it's showing up, it's a great thing.

Speaker 1 Now, there's going to be some tough days at East Camp, camps, where there's going to be absolute shite to talk about. But right now, a lot of guys are trying to prove themselves in new places.

Speaker 1 Let's go to nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler here.
Yes, sir. A lot of new guys in new places, a lot of new faces in new spaces, making plays all over the place.
But there is a chance

Speaker 1 that a lot of these guys don't work. What the hell happened with Wilkins in Las Vegas with the Raiders?

Speaker 3 I saw a report, I'm sure we all have. It was Nick.
I'm not sure if his name is.

Speaker 1 Nick Walters.

Speaker 3 I don't know his background, but everybody saw this report. Very weird.
Very, very weird. It makes you start, you know, your mind starts to wonder, obviously, with the player.

Speaker 3 You look at the history, you look at other things, and then you come up to your own conclusions. I'm sure there'll be some other things that come out.

Speaker 3 Well, this was a huge, huge signing for them last year. Obviously, if you're a Dolphin fan, you wanted Wilkins to stay in the building.

Speaker 3 We lost him, and then for something like this to come out, and then they tried to void a bunch of his money. I'll be interested to see how this plays out.

Speaker 3 And he has a serious injury, too, I believe a Jones fracture in his foot. So hopefully, he can get that figured out and then land on his feet somewhere at a

Speaker 3 organization.

Speaker 1 So many things happening. Just so many things happening, including a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J.
Hawk.

Speaker 1 We are letting our hair grow a little bit. I like that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's got a little awkward, weird face for a long time, growing the sides out. But yeah, what's up? Christian Wilkins, I do, I think I put in the group text.
What happened? What's going on?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the only way it was described by local ABC Las Vegas sports reporter Nick Walters is said everybody's being real tight with it. It was weird.
It's a very weird incident.

Speaker 1 So we'll ask Adam Scheffer here in about four minutes when he joins us about what this could possibly be about. But these are things that start rolling out during camp.

Speaker 1 And AJ, are you growing your hair out?

Speaker 5 No, I don't know what I'm doing, to tell you the truth. Just not cutting it.
And there's a weird, I'm going to cut it in some other style.

Speaker 5 I'm sick of having it long up top like I do.

Speaker 1 It's training camp. Wow.

Speaker 3 You just try. You just try.

Speaker 1 Just let it go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, AJ, what? I actually just told Bruce before the show that what he does to his hair is criminal. Okay, he has great hair.
He wears a hat every day. He has like maybe the best hair.

Speaker 1 And he always wears a hat. And the hats are just like,

Speaker 1 just like, hey, if you're bald, you do what you're doing right now. Your hair's so good.
So we're talking about that. You also had great

Speaker 1 flowing locks. No, never.

Speaker 5 I never had like, yeah, I had long hair, long, like ratty garbage hair.

Speaker 1 Never had like long, flowing, thick locks. It was never that.
Yeah, but it was your look. Game day.

Speaker 1 It was your product. It was your thing.
Are we going back to that?

Speaker 5 No, I don't think so. You know, but it would be weird to wear a hat here on this.
If it's just a one-shot, could I wear a hat? Would you even be able to see my head?

Speaker 1 I'll wear a hat on here every once in a while.

Speaker 5 You'd have to wear it. On there, I'm saying when it's just me, though, in the per in when I'm here in this set, in the attic.

Speaker 1 The issue is where your lights are. Because, like, if you wear a hat and the lights are from top, it's not great.
That's why backwards hat normally television for the lighting thing.

Speaker 1 AJ, I think if you just wore a hat for the next eight months and grew back that righty, ratty white trash shit. Yeah, that'd be awful.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 I never know. Maybe it might happen.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, AJ, it is a little ratty, white, trashy, but I think it is awesome. It would be great to have that back.
Great to have that back.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yep, I don't know.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 It was a phase. I'm glad I did it.
I'm glad I did it and had a phase of long hair. Like when you look back at your parents from like the 70s and they all had long hair, I'm like, okay.
With permanent.

Speaker 5 I did that. I had the phase.

Speaker 1 Look at that beard. Yeah, the beard is clean.
Strong. Good permit.
That's actually a five clock shadow two months from now.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? AJ,

Speaker 1 doesn't grow any facial hair. Whatever you do with your hair,

Speaker 1 you need to know that we support you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 It's a tough decision for you, this midlife crisis thing. And if you go through anything that you need our assistance up, just know that we are supporting.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We are supportive of what you're doing. AJ, you want to go camping or not?

Speaker 5 Yeah, let's go camping. That does sound pretty good.

Speaker 1 Hey, let's go camping, shall we? These are top five plays from training camp that we saw this weekend. Now, there's a lot of plays that happen.
We might have missed some.

Speaker 1 This is just what our algo was sneaking into our lives in between fighting and death videos.

Speaker 1 These are the videos that we've seen. You getting the same thing, AJ?

Speaker 5 Yep, exact same algorithm.

Speaker 1 It feels like we're all going through it, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. It's like...

Speaker 5 I get scared the people, their head is going to hit the curb or hit really hard on the concrete and they're all dead.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, don't worry because the Savannah bananas took care of that and they actually didn't die. You're good.
That was a work, right? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I live in a world where that wasn't a work and that guy front-flipped onto his forehead. That was a work, brother.
On that note, rest in peace to the Hulkster. Yeah, obviously.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We're one of his final interviews, I think. He traveled all the way in here to chit-chat with us, was very kind to us.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he has lived the life that he has lived, incredibly important to a lot of different forms of entertainment. Certainly, the wrestling business as a whole.
Was he a perfect human being?

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. Okay, I think that is something that will be said about everybody that passed away, but he certainly in the spotlight did some things that weren't necessarily the best at the time.

Speaker 1 But with that being said, you can never chit-chat about entertainment and sports in the United States of America without mentioning the Hulkster, brother. That's just the way it is.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace, Terry. Rest in peace, Hulk.
And thank you for your years of service for our entertainment. Brother.

Speaker 1 Now, on that note,

Speaker 1 that guy hit a backflip in the middle of the game just an hour or two after he did that video and caught the thing. It's actually called the rack flip because his name is something Anthony Stumpin.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Robert Anthony Cortez or something.

Speaker 1 Okay. So this was on an interview to promote Savannah Bananas.
I think you've seen this.

Speaker 1 And I'll be watching now. That's rude.
That got me. I don't know.

Speaker 5 That could possibly be at work.

Speaker 1 I should have chin open. Yeah, she always makes

Speaker 1 it. Why are his hands so high in the air? Yeah, and why does he just forget how to do a backflip in the middle of a backflip?

Speaker 1 I don't know. That's tough for me to understand.
And this was just, I don't know, eight, nine hours later, the game that he was marketing. Oh, what's that? Flyball out.

Speaker 1 the left backflip rock flip the dude from cnn who busted his face open they actually give a full speech about him coming back way to respond here they give him a full like same date yeah that was the game

Speaker 1 that was the game i think he was promoting for you know so that whole thing like kind of happens now the timing that you have to have and maybe it is the mitt that weighs him perfectly balanced yeah sure and maybe it is the thought of just making a play for the bananas for the team that when he was with CNN what's on the line here nothing if I drop this ball I'm gonna let Don arrested a fucking fucking bananas here.

Speaker 1 I need to make this catch. Lands the thing, sticks it, throws it out there.
Or that was a work.

Speaker 1 That was a work.

Speaker 3 I think it was real. I think everything you mentioned, you're out there, your adrenaline's flowing.
You got 70,000 screaming memes in the fans. So yeah, you're going to be out there sleeveless.

Speaker 1 Oh, the babies? Babies.

Speaker 1 Whoa, excuse me. People.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Men, women. No.
Mimis? Yes. Just never heard that before.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry. Am I too old for that? No, that's one of my old coaches used to say that in college.
Just came back. Sorry.

Speaker 1 70,000 people in the stand, so our adrenaline's flowing. I thought the bananas fan base was.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. Because who's a fan? Me? Me?

Speaker 1 I thought that's who. Might be.

Speaker 3 Hey, it might be now.

Speaker 1 I thought you knew the Savannah bananas better than all of us whenever you just dropped a name in there casually. That would be something you would do.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Call Curious George. Let's just figure it out right now.
Get it over with. Who?

Speaker 2 No, you're thinking of the man in the yellow hat, Curious George.

Speaker 1 His father, who runs the whole thing. Oh, you still?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 Jesse, the guy who runs the deal, the guy who tucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, got it. Anyways,

Speaker 1 you think it's a work or no?

Speaker 5 I think the flip. Now, I didn't at first.
Now I think the flip was a playing situation.

Speaker 1 No showing

Speaker 1 1,000% away.

Speaker 1 We sent the video into the group. There's a his hands are all weird.

Speaker 5 Why do his hands go flying out in front of him? And when he's in the

Speaker 1 ball mid on. Duh.

Speaker 1 Doesn't see the ball in the air. Like, that's what he's used to doing.
What's going on?

Speaker 5 But why didn't one of the people in the studio throw him a ball? He could have done it then.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know because they decided not to. Here's a video he posted afterwards.

Speaker 6 Hey, guys, for the record, you have my full permission to laugh.

Speaker 6 I can't not laugh every time I watch it, dude. He's a little drunk.

Speaker 4 Anyways, okay, love you.

Speaker 6 I'm going to get some rest.

Speaker 1 I love you, too. So he busted his mouth.

Speaker 1 So that's commitment to the bit, but that's what the bananas would do. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, he busted his all right let's do uh let's go camping okay let's go camping shall we with our top hey rack we hope you're okay way bounce back and hit that right foot that's right all right our top five plays that our algorithm showed us from the weekend of training camp let's go camping let's go to music city Let's go to Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Let's go to the number one overall pick, Cam Ward. Remember, the general manager said, hey, you don't pass on a generational talent.
Cam Ward drafted to the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 1 Roll left, cross body, throwback. perfect got to Calvin Ridley.
This is what Calvin Ridley had to say after practice about Cam Ward joining the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 3 Man, when we picked him, man, I was, bro,

Speaker 3 it feels different around here. You know, it feels in the building, it feels like

Speaker 3 just really because of him. That first pick, when we got him and it was him, man, it just feels crazy, honestly.
It feels good that we got a good quarterback.

Speaker 3 He's confident, and we got to keep him confident and protect him because he's special.

Speaker 1 He talks a lot of shit. On one of his streams, he actually said Calvin Ridley is one of the top five wide receivers in the league whenever he's asked about it.

Speaker 1 I almost gave away that he was going to go to the Tennessee Titans. But now that we watch him and learn more about him, he was the obvious number one pick here.

Speaker 1 And Tennessee might be for real with this guy. You find your quarterback, you can find a team and a culture, AJ.

Speaker 5 Well, think of all the hope we have, like Tennessee people have, just from seeing Cam Warden camp for a week.

Speaker 5 And like, I understand, like, the big throws that he makes, that is impressive, but I'm honestly more impressed by how he carries himself and the stories from his coach talking about how confident he is how well his recall is on the play call and as he's talking trash to the defenders and he's getting the play call in his ear and he's able to get it out perfectly like honestly that is almost more impressive to me than his arm strength head coach callahan said it's the first time i've ever experienced it uh i'm actually listening to him talk shit to somebody while giving him the play call yep and then i ask him if i need to repeat it and he says no you're good man i'm good we keep it moving and the way calvin ridley's talking feels like the same way the university of miami started talking yeah whenever he showed up there he is a magnetic force it it feels like DP.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you get a quarterback,

Speaker 3 you got a chance. And I remember all the videos with him and Shadur kind of training during their offseasons, even going into their last college years, and all this shit that he's talked.

Speaker 3 The confidence that he has, how the bravado he carries himself with, and then he backs it up with the play.

Speaker 3 A guy like Calvin Ridley, when you are a wide receiver, we're all dependent on other guys around us, but wide receiver is the most dependent position, I believe, out there.

Speaker 3 And in Callahan, you know, he has the O-line pedigree. So you got an O-line that can protect that guy, you got a chance to build in a division that you, you know, you can compete with.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that, brother.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Seattle. Talk about a young quarterback that had no conversation about him coming into the NFL.
Jalen Milro. You remember Gravedigger against Auburn? You remember the highlights?

Speaker 1 What about a throw to Jackson Smith and Jigba down the sideline? Is it in or out? You make the call? Well, we can't fucking see it all.

Speaker 1 But I will say, powered by Boeing scares me a little bit, but also makes me excited that Boeing is sponsoring things things as it moves forward.

Speaker 1 Jalen Milro, though, nobody was talking about him as an NFL quarterback. Nice to see a highlight coming out of camp.

Speaker 3 Coach Belichick was pretty high on him, and obviously we know how Nick Sabin felt about him at Bama. But yeah, you get a guy, and I love him Jig, but he's an absolute weapon.

Speaker 3 It'll be,

Speaker 3 is he going to have a chance? Do you know Darno's going to be there? He's going to be the guy. But yeah, Jalen Milro, he's a weapon.
I expect him to see the field at some point.

Speaker 3 But yeah, the package quarterback because he is one of the best athletes whenever he touched the field. And look, I'm in the air a lot.
I love Bowling. Keep bringing it, bowling.

Speaker 3 Yeah, keep bringing it.

Speaker 1 But you're not forced to, I think, because they're everywhere. But

Speaker 1 come on. Yes.
We need you.

Speaker 1 We need you. Let's go to

Speaker 1 Oxnard, California. You know, there's a lot happening over there.
And we'll talk about Jerry talking, Micah talking, and the business and Shawty's first training camp.

Speaker 1 Let's go to a great moment on defensive side. Man who was brought in from the Buffalo Bills, Kair Elam.

Speaker 1 Track, pick, celebrate with your team and maybe the fans. There's a little baby boy here.
I'm gonna go ahead and scoop him. You got the ball.
Hold him up like Simba. The place goes bananas.

Speaker 1 Love the good vibes coming out of training camp because all we've heard from Dallas is negativity, AJ Hawk.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know, what we normally, whenever you see that yellow tubing on that fence over there, when you're when you're talking about Oxnard, what are we usually seeing?

Speaker 5 We're usually seeing a huge full-team brawl between the Cowboys, offense, and defense, whoever it may be. And there's usually fans that are almost getting some friendly fires.

Speaker 5 This is a great little turnaround, I guess, real positive influence, a little positive thing to happen.

Speaker 1 You talk about the fans getting friendly fire. I think Dak Prescott got some friendly fire too last year at this side of the field.

Speaker 1 Whenever things were happening at that point, it's a beautiful scene. He's brand new to the Cowboys as well.
Yes, he is.

Speaker 3 You know, had a rough out, a rough ending, I would say, in his tenure in Buffalo. But sometimes you need a fresh start.
You know, a fresh start.

Speaker 3 It's a lot of talent on that Dallas defensive side of the ball, especially once they get parts in them building. So you heard, he was a high first-round pick, so he has the talent.

Speaker 3 Hopefully, this is a system that he can get out there and make plays. But I love making plays like that in that moment for that kid, for that family.
You know, you'll be able to remember that forever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's beautiful. Everybody rallying around it, too.
It looks like the boys' vibes are high, even though there's drama everywhere else. You know, Bubble was in old England.

Speaker 1 Going driver off the deck. Yeah, sure.
Let's go to New England with Drake with a big deck. He has a big deck, big yard.
Yep, you can bet. Big ball here to Pop Douglas.

Speaker 1 Boston Connor got all excited watching this. How come, Pop? Yeah, I mean, look,

Speaker 1 it's PMS overaction money. There's a reason that New England Patriots fans and fans of other teams that haven't been so good are so excited right now.

Speaker 1 Patrick will win the Super Bowl and Drake May is going to win MVP. So yeah, there's a reason stuff like this gets you juiced up.
Love to see it all good things.

Speaker 1 To your points, those fake stats, they're real for teams of bad teams or fans of bad teams. And Drake May has been like, you know, 20 to 21 all camps.
So incredible. to see and look at all those fans.

Speaker 1 The support is very strong for Mike Vrabel and the boys who are in full passing. I saw a a lot of fans at a lot of training camps.
Feels like the buzz for the NFL this year is very, very high.

Speaker 1 We're thankful to get out to St. Vincent on Wednesday, then to the Hall of Fame game on Thursday.
We'll get a chance to feel it. But all the camps had a lot of people.

Speaker 1 I did see Kellen Moore down there in New Orleans. He spoke to about 30 people.
Sure. He mentioned three times in there how hot it was.

Speaker 1 I couldn't even imagine. Indiana was like 100 degrees this weekend.
New Orleans with this heat wave they were having. That had to be insufferable down there.

Speaker 1 So shout out to their fans showing up as well in Kellen's first first training camp. And now, let's come right here to Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 1 You know, you talk about teams that aren't worried about stats during training camp. We are a team that is worried about stats in training camp.
No doubt. Because there's a quarterback competition.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what, everybody that's been up there says no really competition anymore.

Speaker 1 Everybody seemingly is a bunch of believe ours.

Speaker 1 ARD Alec Pierce on the

Speaker 1 Hiyat Street to Alec Pierce. Now, Alec looks absolutely yoked.
He's on a contract year. Obviously, he was putting in the work all offseason.
His upside is also so immense.

Speaker 1 Just like AR's upside is so immense. These two, if they're able to connect this year, can become an absolute weapon on the offensive side.
But all eyes are on number five right there.

Speaker 1 Is he going to be a guy whose career is going to go one way or the other? This is the chance.

Speaker 1 Carly Ursay, Kaylin Ursay, and Casey Ursay, all the ownership of the Indianapolis Colts, have come out and said, hey, he's still got time to turn this entire thing around.

Speaker 1 Chris Balor, general manager, hey, he's still got time to turn this entire thing around. He knows that he still has time to turn this whole thing around.
Different traits before practices.

Speaker 1 He's doing walkthrough reps in his mind, getting after it. He looks like he's in incredible shape.
Will that hurt him when it comes to taking hits during the season? We shall see.

Speaker 1 But it feels like a lot of question marks that we've had about Anthony Richardson as a quarterback and as a professional have seemingly come back the other way.

Speaker 1 this training camp early, but it does feel good to be a maybe a believer. I love believar.

Speaker 3 And competition, looks, it brings out the best in a you have a true

Speaker 1 what are you laughing at?

Speaker 1 Are you not a believer?

Speaker 1 You haven't seen it.

Speaker 5 Please tell me the origin of this whole believer since.

Speaker 1 Someone's not a believer.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what. I could be.

Speaker 5 I just don't know where.

Speaker 1 Are you a non-believer?

Speaker 1 Sounds like near and far for believer.

Speaker 1 Here and on believer.

Speaker 1 It's not that hard to be a believer.

Speaker 1 So we need to that's true.

Speaker 4 Cleared it up. Thank you guys.
I'm a believer now.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 1 We got

Speaker 1 he looks good. What I'm saying is he looks good.
He does. I'm a believer.
He's got it.

Speaker 3 He's got some big steps to take. Availability is number one.
You got to be available for your team when you're a quarterback. We saw Tour talking about that, and everybody knows that.

Speaker 3 Fan, coach, whoever you are, you want your starting quarterback out there. If he wins this job, Coach fans, you want him to be the guy.

Speaker 3 And it was some conversation, I believe, last week about is this a make or break year?

Speaker 3 Maybe not for AR for his complete career, but as far as his career here in Indianapolis, I think this is a make or break year for five. Ton of weapons out there.

Speaker 3 Alec Pierce, obviously being one of them. You got Pittman, you got Downs, you got AD, you got JT in the backfield, and then big Tyler Warren, the big tight end we got out of Penn State.

Speaker 3 So you have the weapons, you have Shane Steich, who we know can call a good offense. You have all the pieces in place to be a really, really good offense.

Speaker 3 And we know the pieces that we made on the other side of the ball as well. So I'm excited.
I'm definitely an A-believer.

Speaker 1 Pine tree, oak tree. How about the ogle tree, brother? You can see this guy's double rolling weapons on the offensive side.

Speaker 1 Damn. E-Boo! Give me that.
It's moving quick. Yeah, I love that.
Love everything about what's coming out of the Colts training camp. Happy we went camping.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is a man who knows all about our campsite.

Speaker 1 That's right. This guy can rub six together, make fire.
Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider at ESPN, Adam Schefter.

Speaker 1 Shefty, sorry we made you wait there. We had to go camping.
I assume you got a lot of work done there. Let's talk about some questions.
First of all, how are you? Everything good? Jacked.

Speaker 7 Great, great.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 no complaints here, Pat.

Speaker 5 We're happy.

Speaker 1 Okay. We are very happy.
Football's back. It feels amazing.
Let's talk about some outstanding issues around the NFL. We'll start in Dallas.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Micah, Jerry, whole situation has become very loud and public. Now, Kair Elam makes a big play, grabs a baby.
They all have a good time.

Speaker 1 So I think the team and football aspect not being bothered in Shodi's first year as a head coach.

Speaker 1 But when it comes to Jerry and Micah and how all that shit has gone, do we think that has any effect on how long it takes for this deal to get done?

Speaker 1 Or do we think that is all just literal noise as we move through training camp?

Speaker 7 Well, it's been bogged down. It hasn't gained a lot of traction.
And it feels like both sides are digging into their respective stances.

Speaker 7 And there hasn't been a lot of movement in recent weeks or months. You know, the Cowboys haven't talked offers and deals since probably late

Speaker 7 in March, early April around the owners' meetings when Jerry seemed to imply that he thought a deal was close to getting done and then it didn't get done.

Speaker 7 And then obviously Micah said, We're not doing a deal without my agent, David Mulgetta. And then they and the Cowboys have not had a lot of conversation since then.

Speaker 7 And I don't think Dallas has made since that time any pressing effort to get a deal done.

Speaker 7 So obviously, there's a lot there that's just sort of sitting there and there hasn't been a lot of positive momentum to get a deal done.

Speaker 7 But everybody thinks at some point, of course, it'll get done and Michael will be the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history. But again, slow going so far.

Speaker 1 Everybody thought TJ Watts deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers would get done. I wondered whenever he held out of the mandatory minicamp.
That deal inevitably gets done.

Speaker 1 Everybody thinks Micah and the Dallas Cowboys are going to get done. We assume that'll get done as well.
He's in his fifth year, though, of his rookie contract.

Speaker 1 It's an abnormal situation for a superstar player, whether it's with the Dallas Cowboys or not. I think Micah handling it the way he's been handling actually, bravo, Buck.

Speaker 1 I think he's handled it very, very well. Could have been much louder and more negative about it all.
Said he wants to be there for his team.

Speaker 1 Hopefully it works out in Shotti's first year as a head coach. Let's travel north a little bit.
Same type of situation. Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Shifty, any updates? Like, what's the latest Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati?

Speaker 5 Have they gained any ground? Is there any chance that he's going to be in the building anytime sooner rather than later?

Speaker 7 AJ, here's where they're at, essentially. I mean, the deal is in place, but there is a disagreement over the guaranteed money in the deal.
And it's a big disagreement so far.

Speaker 7 Now, maybe the two sides can figure out a way to bridge their differences, but the Bengals typically have not guaranteed full deals. They did it for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 7 They did it essentially for Jamar Chase. They're not willing to do it for Trey Hendrickson.
And so it's up to the two sides to figure out what is the proper guarantee. They could agree on the years.

Speaker 7 they could agree on the average. None of those are issues right now.
The whole issue, the whole hang-up, and the reason that Trey Hendrickson still is in Florida today is over guaranteed money.

Speaker 7 How far apart, Chef?

Speaker 5 Did you have any idea how far apart they might be on this?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 7 I would say, I mean,

Speaker 7 it depends who you're asking, but I would say

Speaker 3 anywhere between

Speaker 7 six, seven, eight, nine, ten million dollars.

Speaker 1 Six guarantees, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,

Speaker 1 eighteen, nineteen, twenty.

Speaker 7 Depends. I don't know.
Like,

Speaker 7 what would Trey be willing to do? Let's put it this way: multiple millions, multiple millions apart in guaranteed money. How about that?

Speaker 1 Is it one-year deal they're still offering?

Speaker 1 Because they're offering like a bump on this year, right? And he wants a three, four-year deal or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 All they've been willing to do is just for this year where they give you more guaranteed money. Is that what you're talking about and alluding to here in the millions off?

Speaker 1 Because over a three-year or four-year period, if they're only $4 million off, that's actually only, or $6 million off. That's only a little bit over a million each year that they're off.

Speaker 1 This is for a one-year, multiple millions of dollars off.

Speaker 7 I think the Bengals are off one years of guarantee. I think they're talking about some guarantees in the second year, but they're not talking about enough guaranteed money in the second year.

Speaker 1 So it's just a one-year deal. Bump up then.
It's not, if they want them to sign a two-year deal, be locked in. They're in the same situation next offseason with the same shit.

Speaker 7 No, if, if, if, if, and when a deal gets done, I would expect it to be a three-year contract.

Speaker 7 If and when it gets done.

Speaker 1 With two years of guarantees, then, assumingly, if you just look at the math there, three-year with the two-year guarantee, probably TJ just did that, I think, right?

Speaker 1 TJ and Miles both got three guaranteed, basically. Yeah, but it was

Speaker 1 a four-year contract.

Speaker 4 Got it.

Speaker 1 So if you drop that down to three, you would assume it'd be a two-year guarantee. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Is that what Trey wants, Shefty?

Speaker 1 I think that if the Bengals don't guarantee close to two years worth of money I think the deal is going to be very slow to get done and I you know and and Trey is a very prideful guy you've spoken to him you know him he he's not coming in unless he feels like he's comfortable with the guaranteed money he's already taken a stand this long you know so it's like uh if he was to not get something that is great I think a lot of people would look at him sideways including himself in the mirror about why to take this big stand if this is all we're going to get anyways I hope it gets done just strictly because we like Trey and also because Trey has felt forced to do this.

Speaker 1 This is very much out of Trey's character. He doesn't want to.
This is not what he wants to do. It's like, this is what I have to do, seemingly.
And it doesn't have to be this way, but maybe it does.

Speaker 1 Maybe this is just business. And maybe as we move forward, once football starts, this is all behind us.
And who cares? Because we're in love with it. We talk about it more.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but you know, you heard Terry McLaurin last week, I believe it was, or two weeks ago, talk about how frustrated and disappointed he was.

Speaker 7 The two holdouts right now are Terry McLaurin and Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 7 And for two guys who have meant so much to their organizations to not be there, that tells you how frustrated and disappointed both are.

Speaker 7 Now, Terry McLaurin's come back and he's changed his stance from a holdout to a hold in, but it's a similar concept here. He's there, but he's not there.
He's not practicing.

Speaker 7 He's not stepping foot on the field until he has a deal that I believe he's comfortable with right now. He says he's got an ankle injury.
Now, again,

Speaker 7 you know, we'll see, but if there was an agreement on a deal, I'll bet his ankle would feel a lot better.

Speaker 1 I'll bet his ankle. Money is a good healer of things.
I mean, we have certainly seen that in the past.

Speaker 1 With that being said, about the holdout to the hold-in, that's just so he can't be fined, what, a hundred grand a day or whatever it is, because that's what a holdout

Speaker 1 a day

Speaker 7 basically means holding out his 50,000-a-day fine. He's on his own.
He's in charge of his training.

Speaker 7 When he comes in, the $50,000 a day fine stop, and he's around his teammates and he's around their trainers. And so there's a big difference.

Speaker 7 Guys don't like to be away from their guys during training camp. It's an isolating, lonely, solitary feeling.
Like in a perfect world, you want to be around the guys.

Speaker 1 Amen. Always want to be around the lads.

Speaker 1 On that note, D-Bun has.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know he showed up with the, and he showed up with his agent, Buddy Baker, and he talked about the ankle injury. And I saw that the commanders put him on PUP.
I guess what goes into that?

Speaker 3 And then, what, just like, do you have any more details, just like with the Trey contract, how far are they apart? I know if you look at comparables out there, DK signed a big deal this offseason.

Speaker 3 They were drafting the same class, even though Terry's a couple years older. Terry hasn't missed a game in five years.

Speaker 3 What's the separation there in that deal right now with the Commanders and Terry?

Speaker 7 It's been vast.

Speaker 1 Vast. Wow.

Speaker 4 It's been vast.

Speaker 7 And so it's up to the two sides to figure out a way to bridge their differences. But I would say that DK Metcalf was the same draft class as Terry McLaurin.
He got about $33 million a year.

Speaker 7 You know, I wouldn't think that Terry is willing to take less than that. And I think he wants considerably more than that.
Now, what it comes in at, we'll wind up seeing. Washington,

Speaker 7 you know, they're not there right now. And they love and value Terry McLaurin, but they love and value him at a different price.
So

Speaker 7 they seem, these two sides right now seem apart on a deal. Like they don't seem close today.

Speaker 7 And I don't know how they're going to get that resolved and figured out, but these things usually find a way of working themselves out over time.

Speaker 7 But as of today, I don't get the sense that anything's close.

Speaker 1 You love and value me, but don't value me as much as the Pittsburgh Steelers value a guy that's never played for them. who's the same age, who's had worse numbers than I have the last couple.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is where Terry's sitting.

Speaker 1 That is where Terry is sitting.

Speaker 1 And you talk about not that, not that I'm not pumped about DK Metcalf becoming a Pittsburgh Steeler and Yinzer's learning about DK Metcalf seemingly clear every single practice.

Speaker 1 They're like, have you seen this guy? This guy, we haven't seen.

Speaker 1 Is this the only human that is built the way that he is built? I mean, Yinzer's learning of DK Metcalf has been awesome to watch. Just one of the, holy fuck, have you seen this guy?

Speaker 1 He runs this, he's unbelievable. Yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 7 he is.

Speaker 7 I mean, he's, whoa, like, he's built very differently than everybody else.

Speaker 1 That's, yeah. Yeah, coming off the bus, DK's in a great spot.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, hold on.

Speaker 7 Who was the guy?

Speaker 1 Was that DK?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it was DK, right? Where Pete Carroll, when he came in for the draft visit, took off his shirt. That was DK, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and DK and A.J. Brown were, what, teammates there for a little bit? Don't miss me.
I mean, what an absolute nightmare scenario. Okay, well, good luck to Terry.
Hopefully he gets a job done.

Speaker 1 That video we were seeing, not of him talking to Warner or whatever. He was talking to Buddy Baker, his agent.
That's from today. That is from an hour ago or whatever.

Speaker 1 So Buddy Baker with Terry on property.

Speaker 3 He's a head scratchers, man. Like, Mike Trey.
Trey, good guy. Micah Trey, you know, great guy, great locker room guy.
Terry,

Speaker 3 great locker room guy. And this is, I think, maybe his first year coming back with the same returning starting quarterback.

Speaker 3 You would think you would want that guy in the building and build with that offense with Cliff and what they have.

Speaker 1 Oh, Shepherd thought us they love and value. Oh, you're right.

Speaker 3 You're right.

Speaker 3 What am I saying?

Speaker 7 Hey, you know, Buddy Baker is an indie guy. You should get him on there.

Speaker 3 Get him in the thunder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely. I love agents.

Speaker 1 Maybe with Terry.

Speaker 4 Another indie guy.

Speaker 1 Would love to have Terry. Yeah, bring Terry.
Would love to have Terry. Just, you need to know over there, Washington, Terry's not worth it.
Get him out of there. You don't need any distractions.

Speaker 1 Young career right now for Jaden. I saw Jalen

Speaker 1 doing things down the field, field, making great catches. You got new ownership over there.
You guys got to worry about the stadium stuff. That's a lot of great stuff.

Speaker 1 Don't let Terry and Buddy stand around distract you guys. Ship them both out of town.
Send them right back to Indianapolis where they came from.

Speaker 1 Kick those guys out of your facility and send them right to Indianapolis. And if you might even get maybe a pickback.

Speaker 1 Shirt. Seven round picks.

Speaker 4 I saw Terry McLaurin wearing a Believe R shirt.

Speaker 1 He is a believe R.

Speaker 1 He knows it. Okay, let's talk about some other.
Go ahead, Chef D.

Speaker 7 I don't think the commanders are reminded today that they have any interest in trading Terry McLaurin. Now, what transpires down the time?

Speaker 7 Good circumstances change and event shift? Sure, but I think today on July 28th, commanders have no interest in trading him today. We'll see if anything changes over time.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's going on, Vegas? Huh?

Speaker 1 ABC reporter says, only thing we've heard, it's very weird.

Speaker 1 Very weird incidents. Now, this is Nick Walters, ABC Sports out there in Las Vegas.
Say he's been trying to figure out what the hell happened here.

Speaker 1 What happened with it? We paid him a lot of money. Great football player.
They voided now $35.2 million. That's going to be an entire thing in litigation with the NFLPA.

Speaker 1 And then him getting released, it was a very weird incident. AJ, have you ever heard something described as such? What do you think?

Speaker 5 No, I would like to know what weird even means. Like, that's all relative, too.
Like, we need some context there. Did this happen between one teammate shifty?

Speaker 5 Is that what put it over the top to let him go? Or is this like a series of events?

Speaker 1 Did he go into Mark Davis' office with a gun and say, where's my 35.2 million? That would be very weird. Could have.

Speaker 1 That would be very weird. I don't think anybody's ever done that before.

Speaker 1 What have you heard about this? And

Speaker 1 how injured is he? When's he back?

Speaker 1 What happens here with Christian Wilkins?

Speaker 7 Again, from speaking to people inside the locker room, I think what everybody's dancing around and tiptoeing around is the fact that when you speak to people there inside the locker room, they say that Christian playfully went to kiss a teammate on top of his head, and those same people said that that player took offense to it.

Speaker 7 So that's what everybody's been dancing around and tap dancing around, an incident in the locker room where he allegedly, playfully kissed a teammate on top of his head.

Speaker 7 That teammate felt offended by it. And that's what a lot of this talk and speculation that people have just been floating around out there is about.

Speaker 1 Okay, so he kissed a teammate on the forehead in a playful manner. Teammate said, nope, not doing that.
And went to HNR and reported this entire thing. Basically, is what happened?

Speaker 7 I think that's probably a fair and accurate way of saying things, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, but that tells me a lot of things, quickly. That tells me a lot of things.

Speaker 1 So, if that happens in a locker room and then they go and report it, that means the locker room probably didn't fuck with them, right? Feels like?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what it feels like.

Speaker 3 That individual, for sure. I mean, I've,

Speaker 3 I mean, you see some different things in a locker room. There are different people.

Speaker 3 This is, this would classify as weird. Yeah, I would kiss him on the face.

Speaker 1 He made bald. He got somebody's bald.
That's not what we're doing. What if he won a euchre game with the guy, though? You never know.
They're playing, maybe they're playing Bo-Ray. Yeah.
And the guy

Speaker 1 doubled the part. He goes, thank you.

Speaker 1 Kissed him on the forehead. Maybe it was that guy.

Speaker 3 And then he's smooching it a lot.

Speaker 1 I've never seen it either, but I'm just saying, like, hey, the pop is this guy just lost all his, this guy lost 40 grand to me. Thank you.
You know, he goes, let me give you a.

Speaker 4 All I'm saying is it's good luck to kiss the top of a bald head.

Speaker 4 We've seen the movie stuff like that.

Speaker 1 If this guy's a full head, if he's a full-headed hair, isn't Druden's boy out there?

Speaker 1 He's a strength catcher? Yeah, I believe it is Deuce, yeah. He didn't try to kiss Deuce's head, did he? It wasn't Deuce.
If he's a $100 million player, I'm assuming it was like Max Crosby.

Speaker 1 He's not kissing some practice squad player and then getting in that much trouble for it. I'm assuming he's kissing some player.

Speaker 1 Maybe he put his finger on his lips and did the whole like barber thing. Maybe there's a chance,

Speaker 1 and I'm not saying this happened, but I'm saying there's a chance that he grabbed the dong.

Speaker 1 I don't think we can completely rule that out based on what we've seen on the field. That's not real.

Speaker 1 He's the guy that we've always

Speaker 1 said, great to have on your team. Would hate to play against him.
The best. Because everything, and he's kind of owned that, I think.
That's kind of been his

Speaker 1 M.O. He has done things in the past that two players in 8K, in 4K, that make you go, Jesus,

Speaker 1 how did we do that?

Speaker 1 What is that? And then now a kiss on the forehead.

Speaker 1 I guess the locker room was like, hey, we're still seeing the clips of you.

Speaker 1 That's an interesting dynamic. That is very weird.
That is very weird. Hopefully they get it all figured out.
Hopefully Christian Wilkins finds a new team.

Speaker 1 I think Colts would be okay. Heyman Buckner in the middle.
He's a really good player. He's a great footballer.
He's a great football player. Oh, good.

Speaker 1 I was wondering if he'd kiss anybody's forehead.

Speaker 1 Well, they were the most guardian cats.

Speaker 1 He'll probably not. Yeah.
Well, kiss the top of the helmet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about his injury? Yeah, is he healthy? Will he be able to play or what do we that's that's another

Speaker 7 real question here because

Speaker 7 again,

Speaker 7 he was supposed to have surgery a couple of different times out in Vegas and for whatever reason that surgery was put off and I don't know whether or not he's going to have that surgery I haven't heard yet but my understanding is the timeline after a surgery that he might need

Speaker 7 could be anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks

Speaker 7 so you're looking at something where if he had gotten it done earlier, his chances of coming back sooner would have been greater. Now, I think he would hope to join a team later in the season.

Speaker 5 That would be the hope.

Speaker 7 I don't know that he'll be able to play early in the season, but again,

Speaker 7 different doctors have different takes. I'm not privy to all of his medical information, but my understanding is he does need another surgery, and that surgery is a 12- to 16-week surgery.

Speaker 1 Okay, so he would be able to play this year then, regardless.

Speaker 1 They voided his contract because he kissed the guy on the head?

Speaker 7 No, no, that's not why they voided his contract. They voided his contract because there was a disagreement over the way he was going about his rehab and his

Speaker 7 foot injury. Basically, the team had been asking him to have foot surgery over and over.
I think there were scheduled surgeries and they didn't get done. And it's his body.

Speaker 7 He gets to do whatever he wants, right? So I think they wanted him to get the issue corrected surgically. He kept balking at that.
It was not getting done.

Speaker 7 I think the team grew increasingly frustrated over time because they wanted him to have the surgery done. He didn't want to get it done.
Maybe he felt like he didn't need it. You'd have to ask him.

Speaker 7 I don't know the full details there.

Speaker 7 And so when there was a disagreement over that surgery, whether or not to have it, whether or not to get it done, putting it off, putting it off again, it got to the point where they're like, hey, you don't get this done.

Speaker 7 We're not going to have you early in the year. We need this done.
We need this done. And it didn't get done.

Speaker 1 That's basically $35 million litigation. And it looks like, and sounds like, Christian could probably win this one.

Speaker 1 Don't know if we'll have enough money for the lawyers to fight it, though, because we're in the second floor of Tootsie's getting shoulder rubs.

Speaker 1 Allegedly.

Speaker 7 So, by the way, that's an issue right now with everything going on in the league. Like,

Speaker 7 there are a whole host of things where players can use some help on certain issues, like this one. And it's like,

Speaker 7 who do you turn to?

Speaker 1 That's a great question. Jeffty,

Speaker 1 that is a great question.

Speaker 1 We don't want to dive too deep into that because this is a positive show. There's a lot of negative.
We could go that way.

Speaker 1 Again, I might not be able to have the extra four hours or lawyer looking through every single clause because why?

Speaker 1 Well, Cinnamon wanted a little extra spin on the poll down there at Tootsie's at 5 a.m. with the executive director of the NFLPA.
So we don't need to get into that. We don't need to get into that.

Speaker 1 Good luck, Christian. Feels like you might be a professional golfer for $35.2 million

Speaker 1 if you don't want to get back into playing football.

Speaker 1 And kissing somebody on the forehead without knowing if they would get mad about it is an interesting thing to say about a teammate in a locker room.

Speaker 1 Personally, if you're just to view out from that and kind of talk from a different level, that's an interesting thing, you know, just to be like,

Speaker 1 I can kiss this guy on the forehead and then kiss him on the forehead.

Speaker 1 And then it going the complete opposite way. That kind of seems on-brand for him, though.

Speaker 2 It's just like, you know what? I'm going to push this boundary. If this guy doesn't like it, he doesn't like it.
And then I'll go find someone else.

Speaker 1 So, on that note, as somebody that hasn't been able to read a situation well, I told Shane that Coach Shabin was not mad. Remember? Yeah, you did.

Speaker 1 So sometimes you misread. Sometimes you misread some things.
I don't want to blame too many people, but yeah, I definitely misread that situation clearly. He's good.
What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 It's Coach Shabin, dude. Go up there, dude.
Laura Fridge.

Speaker 1 He was not.

Speaker 1 Question his entire integrity. You think it's funny? Fucking funny guy.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Who are you going to turn to? NFLPA, great question. Good luck out there.
I'm sure they'll make the right decision. They have continuously for a long time.
Who's Cleveland going to turn to?

Speaker 1 A lot of question marks over there. And also, Coach Prime has a press conference coming out in like 11 minutes with his medical team.
We hope everything's okay.

Speaker 1 That sounds very, very, very serious for an absolute.

Speaker 7 I want to say this. Thoughts and prayers with Coach Prime.
We love Coach Prime, and we'll let him update his medical condition as he should here in the next 10 or so minutes.

Speaker 1 And everybody will be pulling.

Speaker 1 Chef, it's right there. Do it, Chef.

Speaker 1 You can do it, Chef Dead. Don't do it.
Don't do it. Don't do it.
Coach Prime, we love you, man. We all love you and appreciate you for what you've done for sports.

Speaker 1 You're one of one, a true anomaly in this world of, you know, just copycats. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Sheffty, obviously, Coach Prime Shadora is in Cleveland. He is one of the four quarterbacks there.

Speaker 4 And thanks to East Penn Cleveland, we know all the quarterback stats there coming out every single day.

Speaker 4 Who is the front runner right now? I'm seeing a lot of Joe Flacco is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. I know Kenny, I think, is dealing with a soft tissue injury.

Speaker 4 What's the update on the quarterback situation?

Speaker 7 Yeah, we reported yesterday that Kenny Pickett injured his hamstring. and is basically going to reevaluate it later this week.
He heard it at the end of Saturday's practice.

Speaker 7 He had had a couple of really good practices and looked pretty strong. And so it's not, as it was told to me initially when we reported on this, a run-of-the-mill hamstring injury.

Speaker 7 But he's got to see what's going on with that hamstring injury when he gets out on the field and tests it again. Now, whether he tests it today

Speaker 7 or the end of this week, I think he's going to miss a little bit of time here. And obviously, when you're competing for a starting job, that's not great.

Speaker 7 So that would seem to indicate that Joe Flacco, if Kenny Pickett's going to miss some time, that would give him an advantage. And you got the two rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 Now, again, the only two mid-round quarterbacks that I've seen come in when they were drafted that late and start out of the gate were Russell Wilson back in 2012 and Dak Prescott.

Speaker 7 And both guys lit it up in the preseason. And when you watched them, you knew that the team had to start them.

Speaker 7 Now, we may see Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders go out this summer and light it up in preseason and be like, whoa, that guy could play, and I want to see more of that in the next preseason game.

Speaker 7 But short of one of those guys lighting it up, we've always thought it would be one of these veterans, and now Pickett's down with a little bit of a hamstring issue.

Speaker 7 And so Joe Flacco is the lone veteran quarterback standing. So advantage Flacco right now, but obviously a lot of training camp to go.

Speaker 1 Flacco also knows Stefanski's offense very well. I mean, he led them literally to a playoff two years ago.
It did not work out with the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 1 So we assume that Joe Flacco is going to have the head start over everybody in the Cleveland Browns camp going in. He was also talking like, hey, I'm still a starter.

Speaker 1 I don't know what we're even talking about here. Am I going to be a mentor? Sure, but I got to know what the hell I got to do for the game as well.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco is treating this as if it's his team, I think. And I know the conversation around it is, what about the future? What about the future? How long do they have over there?

Speaker 1 Andrew Berry and Stefanski and everybody, you know, because Baker Mayfield wins them a playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. See ya.
You know, we're going to redo this entire thing.

Speaker 1 We had success. We need to rebuild it.
They obviously have a lot of stars on their team. They spent a lot of money.
The Deshaun Watson contract was a massive swing and a massive miss.

Speaker 1 We think it came from like over their heads. So they got a big leash and a leeway here.
Is that true?

Speaker 7 Right.

Speaker 7 So if that's right, Pat, and it came from over their heads, and that strapped that program down the last few years, and Kevin Stefanski still won Coach of the Year twice, and they still made a number of good moves and added good players and have two first-round draft picks in the 2026 NFL draft.

Speaker 7 If that is the case, and they were working with their hands basically tied behind their neck, why are we moving on from a great coach? and a great GM. Like, why are we doing that? And so

Speaker 7 I don't view it as them being on a short leash. In fact, they should have more time than they're given because of some of the moves that were made.

Speaker 7 So if you're right about that, and there have been many people that have suggested that you are, then these guys deserve plenty more time in my mind.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we just found out that that's the truth. Feel it.
I've always had the question.

Speaker 1 I always questioned in my mind, just found out what it was. We always knew,

Speaker 1 especially because Andrew Berry is. You are correct.
I know Andrew Berry very well. I think I've known him since he's like 22 years old.

Speaker 1 Obviously, ex-Harvard quarterback was with with the Colts for a long time. When he was like 34, I was hoping that he was going to get the Colts general manager job.

Speaker 1 I have a lot of faith in his brain, the way he operates. Stefanski, what, super genius, right?

Speaker 1 Everybody says he got a super genius.

Speaker 2 Obviously, guys, well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's like, it's funny to think about like, well, how they get the worst contract in history. Oh, it must not have been them.
Oh, it must have been. That guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because they were out of the running. Remember, it was Atlanta or New Orleans.
And then Cleveland comes back in because Hasm's like, hey, so I guess in things at feed stores.

Speaker 1 We want you you to come up here to the cold. All right, last question before we let you go.
Good luck to Stefanski. Good luck to Andrew Berry.
Good luck to the Browns Faithful. Jerry Judy.

Speaker 1 Jerry Judy is your favorite football. Yeah, he doesn't need luck.
Jerry Judy doesn't need luck. He just needs opportunity to shine.
Put him on a big stage. He will do great.
We know that.

Speaker 1 Especially with their brand new Alpha Dog helmets and with how Brownie operates as a whole. Go ahead, Connor.
Last question for you, Chefty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Shefty, Ben Johnson came out, talked about Caleb Williams, everything going on with him this training camp. That seems to be a massive negative in the NFL right now, at least.

Speaker 1 Is Caleb Ben's guy for sure? Should we view this as kind of just like a learning year?

Speaker 1 Or is there a chance that Ben Johnson does this year and then pulls Deshaun Payton like, hey, Russell Wilson, get the hell out of the building?

Speaker 7 Well, I think they brought in Ben Johnson because the goal was to essentially elevate Caleb Williams. Everything they've done is to elevate Caleb Williams.

Speaker 7 So before we could even go there, I still think we're talking about a guy that was the number one pick that was regarded as an elite quarterback prospect, and they brought in a guy with an offense who has specialized in elevating the performance of quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 That's why they went out and spent all this money on the head coach and went out and got three different new offensive linemen and basically came and produced all these players in the offseason to make sure that Caleb turns into the player he does.

Speaker 7 If If he doesn't, I don't think it's going to be because of Ben Johnson. I think that they are committed to him right now.
That's going to be something we all follow.

Speaker 7 Now, if the guy struggles, falters, hey, look, that's how the NFL works.

Speaker 7 But I think they are giving Caleb every opportunity, every resource that he deserves, and it's up to him to make the most of it. If he doesn't, we could continue this conversation.

Speaker 1 All right, Shefty, hopefully we continue this conversation with you every single day until Super Bowl. Yeah, there you go.
We appreciate you, brother. Football's back.

Speaker 1 That means we got magic to talk about. We appreciate the hell out of you, brother.

Speaker 7 Thank you, guys. Have a great day.

Speaker 1 It was a kiss on a forehead.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. I kissed a teammate.
He hated it. That's Adam Schafferley.

Speaker 1 All right. Haslam did do the deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, we apologize. I think this offset.

Speaker 4 Sorry.

Speaker 1 This wasn't them. I screwed up.
I seen it.

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Speaker 1 Football! It's magical. That's AJ Hawk, the Toxic Tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.
One half of the hammer.com. Cowboys AP Town is here, and nine-year NFL vet Darius J.

Speaker 1 Butler has made the trip

Speaker 1 once again to Indianapolis from South Florida. We appreciate you doing that.

Speaker 1 I saw the IG story of your Sunday travelers up here. We appreciate you doing all that shit to get up here, man.
Appreciate it, man. You're great up here, everybody.
Love it. Love it.
Enjoy it.

Speaker 1 You basically live here half the year. I do.
It's home.

Speaker 1 You guys have better state income. Home away from home.
A little bit. We do.
No doubt.

Speaker 1 It looks like it crazy. Some pros and cons both places.
I got bad property tax, I've seen it. Yeah, and price, staying price of living and insurance.

Speaker 1 So if you're thinking about coming to play for the Colts or for the Pacers or for the fuel or the

Speaker 1 fever.

Speaker 1 The fever.

Speaker 1 The freight, freight, possible other teams. Ignite.
I'm thinking about, AJ, every other day,

Speaker 1 I'm thinking about bringing a professional sports team here to Indianapolis. Every other day, what sport? Well, I can't give that away.

Speaker 1 Multiple sports. AJ.
There's been multiple sports. Just know these professional leagues that are kind of happening right now, we've been snooping around.
All of them. All of them.

Speaker 1 We have been snooping around all of them. Just because we think it would be hilarious to own a team.
Like, we think that would be a very funny thing, let alone if the sport is awesome and

Speaker 1 combative and physical and potentially sport of future. Up I'll be coming.
Maybe. You know, perhaps, maybe.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 I need the commissioner's number right now. That's what happens in this room.
So

Speaker 1 we snoop around, find a commissioner of these leagues, phone numbers, FaceTime, cold, immediately. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Can I ask you a question? Been some good reports. It's been great conversations.

Speaker 1 We've been learning a lot.

Speaker 5 Answers in like fancy boardrooms. They're all wearing suits and he calls, you know, you over there in the think tank.

Speaker 1 No, completely opposite. All the people that are commissioners, leagues, this is not just one person.
This is multiple leagues that this has happened.

Speaker 1 The people who answered, normally they're at their house or their office. And it feels like I'm looking at the Jeff Bezos Amazon photo from whenever he was in that room with the shirt behind it.

Speaker 1 Or like the Steve Jobs stuff, whenever him and the other Steve are in the garage at the house or whatever. That's what it feels like every time I FaceTime these people.

Speaker 1 Like you can see they're in the lab trying to make this league work, you know, and I've enjoyed it all, but just know we're snooping around.

Speaker 1 Always snooping around. It's always always hashtag

Speaker 1 up to something season. There's some big up to something's about to come to fruition, fruition, though, here.
And I can't wait to drop these on the world. Go ahead, Tom.

Speaker 4 I had a question for you. I don't know if you are going to be coach, owner, owner, coach, owner, coach, player.

Speaker 4 Let's say, you know, one of the top five players on your team, top five highest paid players on your team, kisses another guy on the forehead in your locker room.

Speaker 1 What are you going to do? That feels like a locker room issue. I'm staying out of it.
Remember, I am going to be a, I'm going to be a,

Speaker 1 I'm going to be a giving owner. Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't think you can stay out of that one. Nobody could

Speaker 1 ever sell dicks. I just want to let everybody know.
I just want to let everybody know. The style of player that Christian Wilkins is, aside from the ha-ha and the ha-ha and the ha-dah-ha.

Speaker 1 You know, that's his style of doing things. The style, he's relentless every single play, a little bit of a dog.
Other teams hate him.

Speaker 1 That is the style of player that we are looking for in all of the leagues I'm in. Sure.
Now,

Speaker 1 can't be sucking foreheads in the locker. Well, I remind you something.
Especially not wanted foreheads.

Speaker 1 You know, if these guys want to suck face in there in our team and they're good at the sport and they both do what you got.

Speaker 1 Not in my locker room. This can't be unrequited.
What's that? Hold on, Buntsy. You know, the Christian Wilkins is a dog.

Speaker 4 How quickly you guys forget Sunshine kissed Gary Bertier right on the lips, and they won a state title.

Speaker 1 Yes, they did. It didn't start great for Sunshine.

Speaker 1 But it certainly ended great, didn't it? Yes, it for all of us.

Speaker 1 Kind of thinking of it now.

Speaker 1 TC Wilson. With that being said, I don't think my team will have any sucking forehead problems.
Just want to let you know. Any of the sports.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Christian Wilkins used to play. I'm just trying to connect the dots here.
Used to play in the AFCEs for the Dolphins. Okay.

Speaker 1 I believe he was a rookie or in his early years when Tom Brady was quarterback of the New England Patriots.

Speaker 1 Now, I don't know if there was any beef, but what if this kiss on the forehead was a Brady and his kids type of joke that Christian Wilkins was making? Brady's kiss is right on the lips. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Also, Brady's kid. Have you been watching him? Yeah, he's a dog.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big sombre. Casual.
Yeah. Casual dunk.

Speaker 1 Very, very casual. He's huge.
And he's got Tom Brady's.

Speaker 1 You know, it's the same thing we think about with Shador.

Speaker 1 Like, we assume because Shador has been around Prime, and Prime has literally been preaching or teaching or coaching all of society, especially the sports world, via different shows, his Twitter accounts, his social media, and then actually on the field.

Speaker 1 All of us in the sports world for like the last 20 years, I would assume that something has to osmosis through,

Speaker 1 you know, his head, we would think um

Speaker 1 so maybe tom brady's kid is the next coming of tom brady we shall see yeah jack he that i believe there was a clip a few years ago of tom clay thompson and jack getting up jumpers working on his jumper i've seen a lot of clips clay thompson feels like he's in love yeah a lot of love talk congrats to him congrats clay

Speaker 1 Guy's a pilot, right, or a boater or something? Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 5 he's a captain. Boat captain.

Speaker 1 I think Bolden State he had a place on the bay, his house. I think it went up for sale recently.
I just saw it. Very cool looking place.
And I think he would boat his ass through the games and shit.

Speaker 1 Pretty dope. Yeah, he's Captain Clay.

Speaker 3 He's like Jimmy Graham.

Speaker 1 He used to flatter the flat a press. He survived? He did.

Speaker 1 He smashed

Speaker 1 five days. Okay.
Then he retired. He retired.
He retired from football and from

Speaker 1 football. Jimmy Graham stuck

Speaker 1 tight end.

Speaker 1 Should retire from rowing, we think. Just getting started.

Speaker 4 He never retired from rowing.

Speaker 1 I think he should. He did it.

Speaker 1 And also, he did the arctic ocean yeah uh with a team of people they like one of them was sleeping the others were going through and they beat a world record he just did this like two weeks ago or whatever the videos coming out with that uh were disgusting not as disgusting as a tight end patent oh geez

Speaker 1 is what everybody was saying let's go camping shall we let's go to st. Vincent College Aaron Rodgers in the brand new Pittsburgh Stayers a little seven-on-seven here.
Okay, show it down.

Speaker 1 What do we do?

Speaker 1 Well, Pat Fryermuth's going to run a little in out. DK Metcalf's going to get checked down.
And Pat Fryerman is going to throw his hands up. Did you see that, AJ?

Speaker 1 I did see that, yeah.

Speaker 1 What were they saying about him, Connor?

Speaker 1 I saw a lot of people down there at the trobe saying, oh, Muff and Muff out there potting again.

Speaker 1 What's Muff doing? He's just showing up his core. I think that's what they were saying, right? Oh, Aaron Rodgers is going to love that.

Speaker 2 Of course, you know, hey, Rodgers loves guys who pot on the field when they don't get the ball.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 As if you would know.

Speaker 1 As if you would know. You're a homer.
We see the body language. Body language.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 You have a moth jersey?

Speaker 1 Maybe I would know. Or maybe I asked him, Connor Foxy, you got that for me, pal?

Speaker 12 I was definitely not pouting. I was pissed at myself, threw my hands up, I ran the wrong route, and I made the play look like shit.
So I was throwing my hands up in frustration to myself.

Speaker 12 Definitely not showed up, my quarterback.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Grimes giggles. So he wasn't popping.

Speaker 1 You think I was AI? That's good.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Tony, you don't know muff like that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 No, you don't. I know you don't know muff like that.
That's AI if I've ever seen it. Hey, Jay, let's talk about the situation that just happened.

Speaker 1 So we saw the highlight, or I guess low light there

Speaker 1 of Friar Muth over the weekend. We come in this morning.

Speaker 1 Something very easy to say to Tone to gas him up quickly quickly is that one of his play favorite players and humans friar mooth is in a terrible spot with aaron rodgers because he's potting potting he's showing him up sad all the injuries that go up the late trobe to st vincent college are like does mooth think he's better than a quarterback

Speaker 1 this guy what is he doing

Speaker 1 to me eight times this morning this is day three with this guy you know Aaron's a little fickle potentially, and now you're going to show him up in front of everybody, the whole world, you see?

Speaker 1 literally, that's what we just start as soon as Tone sits down. It's just like, so see, the Steelers are in a bad spot.
Everybody hates each other. Yes,

Speaker 1 and Tone goes, What you boys,

Speaker 1 we literally FaceTime Friar Muth, FaceTime, cold FaceTime him. He answers right on the phone.
We all go, Oh, he's put potter.

Speaker 1 Start yelling at him.

Speaker 1 We all start yelling at him for pouting. He's like, I'm not pouting.

Speaker 1 I fucked up. That is a huge mistake by me or whatever.
It's like, will you record saying that? And he did, which is why we can't take anything from these training camps. No.
Seriously. Especially not.

Speaker 5 Well, they want to paint a narrative, though. They want to paint a narrative.

Speaker 5 I saw what, Stewart in Cincinnati. Someone films it, and the caption just says,

Speaker 5 practice shape is much different than like workout shape or whatever. I watched the guy go through like two minutes of the drill and he looked fine.

Speaker 5 Like he looked, he was good and explosive when he went up. Yeah, in between reps, hands on his hips, but he wasn't like puking.
He wasn't dying. I'm like, why are you trying to say this dude is dying?

Speaker 5 Like, people are trying to make things that aren't there.

Speaker 1 On that note, it's like, just like the stats conversation, which is why JJ Watts tweet went so damn big. And I would like to hammer home the fact that JJ is an internet guy.
Very good at it.

Speaker 1 He's doing TV. Obviously, he'll be able to do whatever he wants.
He owns two soccer teams now. He's going to be a bazillionaire.
His brother's wealthier than he is on the football field.

Speaker 1 But off the field, what JJ has done, not only remarkable for the cities in which he comes from, but also business-wise, very, very good. He's always been an internet guy.

Speaker 1 He very much is an internet guy. Loves to get in the conversation, does not mind saying his opinion, isn't scared of shit.

Speaker 1 And whenever he breaks down the stats conversation, he does it in a very accurate way for how the internet has been. At the beginning, these stats start coming out.

Speaker 1 I think it all started with Richard Sherman getting cooked in San Francisco. Richard Sherman was trying a new...

Speaker 1 something a new jam or something Shanahan showed him showed it to the team and said hey I I respect him doing this you guys a lot of you guys don't enough balls to do this because you know the media and the fans are there watching camp practice yeah so he got killed in he's like hey he's working on something new like hey this is this is what practice is this is what training camp why we call it practice right this is why it's called practice but now it's gotten to the point where there's so much sports coverage i mean you can even count us in this entire thing we're considered obviously sports media and sports coverage we're not the only ones there's a lot of bloggers a lot of people that just go to the practice that have their own platforms record videos never been through a training camp that's not not holding that against them but don't maybe know what the fuck's going on and then all that needs is just a little bit of gas behind it or somebody that doesn't like the person to kind of promote it and boom all of a sudden that's why him saying like hey at the beginning these stats were fun to talk about but now it feels like you guys are taking them a little bit too serious training camp is not real reps here now there's certain periods where it's like hey Good on good, this shit matters.

Speaker 1 Then there's other parts of practice where they're trying things. Friermuth,

Speaker 1 they paid him a lot of money. Yes, they do.
He's going to be one of the top tight ends in the league this year, we think.

Speaker 1 We think Frymouth is going to be very smart, obviously, very intelligent player, very good football player. He is a veteran now.
He's fucking up in seven on seven.

Speaker 1 There's a chance other people also making mistakes. So whenever you see a quarterback potentially throw an interception, maybe the wide receiver wasn't where he was supposed to be.

Speaker 1 Or maybe the quarterback threw a shit ball. Or maybe quarterback was trying a different throw.
You know, like, hey, can I get this? over a linebacker in front of a safety if I try this. Nope, can't.

Speaker 1 It was a pick, went back the other way. Okay, we move forward.

Speaker 1 It's hard not to overreact to everything, but I appreciate JJ going like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, we got to pump the brakes a little bit on how much these stats actually matter because we have no idea the context of any of these periods.

Speaker 3 They don't matter, but at the same time, they do to us because we're so hungry for anything. Anything

Speaker 1 in football right now.

Speaker 3 So you see it and you're investing and you're bought into a team like you want to see, like Cleveland, they put out the quarterback stats every day.

Speaker 3 And sure, it's going on here in Indy Two with a quarterback competition. But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 Like there are so many things that go into what players and what coaches or what teams are trying to do or trying to get done.

Speaker 3 And a guy like Richard Sherman, who knows he's going to be on the roster, yeah, you're going to be working on things. The rookie that's just trying to make a team, every rep is like live or die.

Speaker 3 But it's different. Everybody's kind of in a different situation.

Speaker 3 Even like the real game film, like when you go back, and I go back on Sundays sometimes or Mondays, you know, putting everything in DB together. And I played

Speaker 3 in those games, been in those meet rooms, but I don't know the conversations that was had on the sideline. Hey, if they run this scissors route, we're going to pass it off.
We're going to stay with.

Speaker 3 I don't know, but I can take my best guess. So, we really don't know the PFF grades.
We don't know what we don't know. But at the same time,

Speaker 3 all this media, the NFL, is keen for a reason because so many people care about it. So many people care about everything.

Speaker 3 But the narratives are dangerous, though, because you can create this narrative now that says Mooth here.

Speaker 3 Two weeks into the season, he's not getting his targets, or it's an interaction with him here on the sideline. It's like, hey, remember, you know, training camp week two.
So it's give and take.

Speaker 1 But journalism.

Speaker 3 That's where we are right now. July 28th.
you know, every rep, every practice rep, every practice stat kind of matters.

Speaker 1 Him answering that FaceTime and us all, oh, Potter, Pat, Fryer Mooth. Oh, look who it is.
It was electrifying because he sees now the internet say that he's pouting, trying to show up air.

Speaker 1 And he's like, oh, no. Not only that, I ran the wrong route.
I mean, this is wrong route, messed everything up. Oh, now everybody thinks I'm embarrassing the quarterback.
And I'm,

Speaker 1 I'm not a potter. I mean,

Speaker 1 it it was like uh

Speaker 1 catastrophic to the Fryer Mooth brand. Oh, yeah.
Basically, this one play, and everybody's watching it because, oh, Aaron's teammates don't like him already. He's like, I ran rubber.

Speaker 1 Okay, I saw something differently than everybody else. Can we just move on? And that's how king, to your point, the NFL is.
It's a beautiful thing, but it's also a fishbowl.

Speaker 1 And you are in it at all times. And all we can do from outside is just try to read the lips of what's going on outside of it.

Speaker 2 I mean, everything that they're doing with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams right now, you know, like putting out how many picks he's thrown. He's learning a new offense, obviously.

Speaker 2 But even people like cherry picking and putting Ben Johnson's face, you know, for a screenshot from his opening press conference to like yesterday after Caleb's been struggling a little bit.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, no, this guy realizes he's made a massive mistake.

Speaker 2 Like, almost pushing for like a, hey, week four, these guys are going to have a huge, you know, they're going to get in each other's faces on the sideline. They already hate each other's guts.

Speaker 2 Like, it's hilarious. And it's almost like Bears fans, you know, I mean, granted, a lot of that is Packers fans seeing that and kind of just being like, oh, yeah, beat.

Speaker 1 Look at this, look at this. But I'm all.
Packers fans, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but then you also see Bears fans like, oh, no. Like, this is true.
This is what's going on.

Speaker 1 Because Bears fans deep down. They know.
They know. They have that feeling.

Speaker 1 Everything's bad. It's always there.
It's always there. Exactly.

Speaker 1 So all they need is just a little bit in them.

Speaker 2 And then the backup starts throwing touchdowns.

Speaker 1 It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, why isn't he getting over it?

Speaker 1 It happened with Jets fans on Friday or whatever.

Speaker 4 Justin Fields gets off. They're like, oh, it's ACL.

Speaker 1 He's gone forever. It's just his toe.
I saw some people saying it was maybe an Achilles, you know, because I'm up there and talk about it.

Speaker 1 Turns out it was a toe issue, maybe a fractured, dislocated toe. I think he's already back out.
Yeah, he was. But they didn't even have the chance to say new regime, new era, new time, new chapter.

Speaker 1 Jets fans are just, I got, I mean, Cole sent me five texture.

Speaker 1 I found out about it through a five fuck fuck motherfuck. Of course.
Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. That's That's how I found out about this in real time.

Speaker 1 I think as he was getting carted off, I was receiving texts. Oh, they just turned the golf cart wheel left.

Speaker 1 Bang, bang, bang, break.

Speaker 1 It was just, it was uncomfortable. It's three couldn't talk about it on TV.
Yeah, the JJ McCarthy stuff, too. Have you seen this as well? No.

Speaker 1 I've seen JJ get buried with a clip from last year's training camp. And like that is also now.
Throw his fifth pick today. It was last year's page.
Bigo, yeah. And it's like, geez, if I didn't.

Speaker 5 They're in full pads, July 21st. Yeah, it's like always a clip of them in full pads when no one's even barely started.

Speaker 1 I mean, get up or first take posted something and they had to say sorry, you know? I mean, it's hard time right now. It is.
It's hard times, brother.

Speaker 1 I don't think, you know, the internet is a very creative and talented place.

Speaker 1 I mean, I saw somebody pull a clip from our show from 2023. Oh, geez.
And it had the date on the video. Look at this shit.

Speaker 1 Fucking send it right out there. It's right on the floor.
Oh, yeah, that's it. This is from two years ago.
You got anything to say about it?

Speaker 1 I've said a lot. I actually.

Speaker 1 It's been two years since that whole thing has gone off. It's a wild time on the internet.
And joining us now is a man who knows all the answers. He would never be fooled.
He's unfoolable.

Speaker 1 Because this man is no fool. Oh, no, no.
This man's an Emmy Award winner. Amen.
This guy's been hosting GetUp. You've been seeing him? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Riddle me this. He's going to make good lists.
He's been making lists. Some good lists.
Clean suits. I mean, we're talking, everybody's in summer.
I mean, we're pretty casual all the time.

Speaker 1 Everybody in summer casual, not this guy. Get a chance to host.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Go ahead and put this up.
Real comfortable on the desk, too. Seeing a couple of these.
Ladies and gentlemen, insider, analyst, pundit from ESPN, friend of the program, Peter Schringer. Yay!

Speaker 8 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Hey, good hosting out of you, Bub. I didn't know you were a host.

Speaker 8 Norded NFL Network. Let's go.

Speaker 1 I'm here.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Same world now, I think, from what I've been doing.
It's all under the same umbrella.

Speaker 1 I believe at this this point.

Speaker 8 I'm here to, I think it was Chalomay when he won. He was like, I want to be Michael Jordan.
I want to be the best. Like, that's how I'm here.
Like, let's go.

Speaker 8 I'm not taking anyone's job anytime soon, but I loved it. I absolutely loved it.
And credit to the producers and the executives and to Greene and Stephen A. and Molly for letting me do it.

Speaker 8 But I had a blast hosting Get Up and First Take. It was really fun.
And to your point, Football is here.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Let's go mess around.
Shout out to Faso. I assume he was a massive piece of that entire thing.

Speaker 1 What a legend. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 He's on a little bit of a world tour right now. Oh, yeah.
Can't wait to see him on Wednesday. He's going to be pumped.
Faso!

Speaker 1 50 and 50, baby. I think it's been going great.
I think it's been going great. Okay, Shregs, let's talk a little bit about football, shall we? It's Christian Wilkins deal.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Schefter clarified some things. He said that it was a kiss on the forehead.
Players said, uh-uh, we ain't doing that. Goes and says, get him out of here.
Now, they wanted him to have surgery.

Speaker 1 He didn't want to have surgery. I think Michael Thomas in the Saints had this situation a couple years back where they thought he should have surgery.
He said, I don't want to have surgery.

Speaker 1 Then season came. He had to get surgery.
Missed time. There was a whole thing.
I think this has happened in the past about how you deal with an injury, what a player wants, what the team wants.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on that whole situation? I mean, obviously, in two, three weeks from now, Christian Wilkins will sign with another team. We assume he has a three to four,

Speaker 1 what do you say, four to six weeks? 12 to 16.

Speaker 1 Four to sixteen weeks. So three to four month recovery if he does have the surgery.
We think he'll probably be on another team. What are your thoughts on that whole situation over there, Shrikes?

Speaker 8 Schefter's on it in that this is a, I guess, what would you say, a quixotic individual. And some of his stuff that he did in Miami was embraced, and they loved it.

Speaker 8 But, you know, he talked to the Bills players. They absolutely hated him.
The stuff he would do after the whistle, he would agitate.

Speaker 8 He was like a, you know, a Bill Amber type if you're on the Pistons. But if you were on another team, you couldn't stand this guy.

Speaker 8 Well, he gets to the Raiders last year, and the hope was you got him on the inside. You got Crosby.

Speaker 8 You got the seventh overall picked,

Speaker 8 Tyree Jackson from a couple years ago. I wanted, like, we're going to be a front seven team.
Gets hurt, misses most of the year, and then a whole new brass comes in.

Speaker 8 And some of the stuff that he was doing maybe wasn't embraced as much from the teammates here in Vegas as it was in Miami.

Speaker 8 And then, of course, when you've got a new GM in John Spytek, who comes in from Tampa and a new head coach in Pete Carroll, like. We're telling you to get surgery.
You're not getting surgery.

Speaker 8 We're going to move on. Now, to your point, he's got a legitimate case with the PA.
Hey, like, this is my body.

Speaker 8 I don't have to get surgery because the team tells me he's going to have a voice in this. But with the PA being in the current state that they're in, that might be on hold as well.

Speaker 8 So he's no longer a Raider. I'm not sure if he's going to get that money.

Speaker 8 I would imagine he's got a good, strong chance to appeal that and we'll probably see some of that money based on the way this went down.

Speaker 8 But I think it's more of the latter stuff that Adam was referring to than the kisses on the forehead.

Speaker 1 Okay, got it. Pete Carroll talked his shit a little bit last week.
He's like, hey, I win, man. I don't know what to tell you.
Just look it up. And Gino does too at this stage.

Speaker 1 I believe believe in the Raiders. And Max Crosby, I'm always going to believe that Max is going to be able to get the job done.

Speaker 1 Maybe this chapter, this era of the Raiders, takes them back to the Raiders.

Speaker 1 We shall see. Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 5 Yeah, what about the Dolphins? Christian Wilkins, old team, made me think about it. I'm watching some clips online, obviously, of their training camp.

Speaker 5 They got a little bit of a scuffle, I saw, so it's good to see some life out of the boys. What are your expectations of the Dolphins?

Speaker 5 We see this here on the screen, obviously, them getting a little bit of, you know, this is nothing serious. But what do you think about this team?

Speaker 5 I feel like this could be a make-or-break year for multiple players and coaches on that staff.

Speaker 8 Oh, I think that's how everyone sees this outside of that building.

Speaker 8 And what's interesting is Tyree Kill in week 18 had some crazy comments about how he doesn't want to be there anymore and he wants to be traded. And everyone was like, whoa.

Speaker 8 Well, then you have a whole offseason. He kind of talks it back, talks it back.
In Tua's first press conference, he's like, there's still wounds that are open here.

Speaker 8 Like, we're still trying to figure that out. And him saying that.

Speaker 8 And to me, you start off the training camp, 99% of these quarters be like, oh, we're good. We talked about it.
That was last year.

Speaker 8 We're starting to Tua was either very candid, very vulnerable, or maybe saying something that I would personally, if I'm a coach or a GM, like, let's not start off on that foot and say that we're still not 100% where we want to be.

Speaker 8 So an interesting way to start it, but Tua has been very vocal in press conferences the last couple of years. And there's been some real transitions.

Speaker 8 I think Taryn Ormstead being a starting left tackle and announcing, you know, he's no longer there as, you know, as recently as less than a month ago is a major, major deal.

Speaker 8 You're asking a team that is built on speed and is built on, you know, getting a, get the cushion in September and October before we get to those cold weather games that they get those wins.

Speaker 8 You're asking that team to pick it up right away with a lot of new people.

Speaker 8 But on the defensive side of the ball, Chubb, Phillips, two huge names that have not been available at the same time on the field. I think those are going to be enormous players in this thing.

Speaker 8 But I think you ask around the league, the Dolphins are the one team that people are like, you know what? I got my hands. I don't know.
Is Tuo great? I don't know.

Speaker 8 Is Tyreek Hill going to come back to what he used to be? I don't know. And is Mike McDaniel still going to be able to motivate these guys? Or has that ship sailed? I don't know.

Speaker 8 So one of the great variable teams as we enter this season, AJ. And two years ago, they put up 70 points against the Broncos, and we were like, they're reinventing offense.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And the Steelers said, we'll take both your Pro Bowlers.
You know, so that is an

Speaker 1 interesting dynamic for the Dolphins fans

Speaker 1 in the room. One of the Dolphins fans obviously played professionally, so he was able to pick up a couple other teams to become a fan of.
And then

Speaker 1 post-his playing career, just picked up another team to be a fan of as well. They just won a Super Bowl, which is good play.
Yeah, well, I love another team. And then he's not going to let the

Speaker 3 shitty franchise control my emotions throughout the office.

Speaker 1 Especially if other teams have paid you to be a fan of them in the past. If you pick up a couple teams, you might as well pick up a few others, especially if they're going to win.

Speaker 1 Let's talk to a guy who's diehard with the Dolphins since he was a child. Schraeger said around the league, they're hands up.
We have no idea what this team got to Colts first week, brother.

Speaker 1 Is this thing over before week two even gets started for you guys?

Speaker 6 I like getting Minka back. I can't express how much I love that.
Jack Jones, Mike Hilden, huge signings. I wasn't in, but I said on Friday, you give me two veteran cornerbacks.
I'm back in.

Speaker 1 You did.

Speaker 6 Before noon on Saturday. Look at us.
Here we go, Finns.

Speaker 1 Week one, though, problematics.

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 3 That turf, that corn husk, they can run fast on that corn hus now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to be down there at Loudhaus, Lucas Oil Stadium, taking on the Indianapolis Colts, which we know nothing about either. We hope they're great.
Believe ours.

Speaker 1 We are Believars. Amen.
We are Believe Ars. We saw a guy who looked incredibly handsome out at the Esps.
Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Shrakes, one of the big things a lot of people are talking about right now is Stafford and his health. Obviously, given your relationship with McVay, I'm sure you heard the comments.

Speaker 2 But for everyone who hasn't heard those comments, this is what McVay had to say about Stafford.

Speaker 13 A little update on Matthew. He's doing really well.
You know, we've got a good plan in place. We are going to still take some more time with him, though.

Speaker 13 Nothing that's changed in terms of the setback. I probably spoke a little bit too soon, but the ultimate goal is Houston and being mindful of that.
So we'll take it a week at a time with him.

Speaker 13 So I did want to be able to

Speaker 13 let you guys know about that based on sitting down with Reggie and with Matthew and talking with Dr. Watkins, I feel like that's the smart thing to do,

Speaker 13 you know, a week at a time with him.

Speaker 2 So, Shreggs, I know you aren't flying coach with McVay anymore per se, but what

Speaker 2 yeah, great show. Unbelievable.
Would love to see that come back.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace, you know.

Speaker 2 What is the level of concern here with Stafford? Obviously, everyone knows how tough he is, but he is getting up there.

Speaker 2 Like, if you're McVay or if you're a Rams fan, what do you think the level of concern with Stafford's health is going forward?

Speaker 8 I have to be careful here because because I'm not there every day, but I don't think there is a great level of concern as far as Matthew being ready for week one, ready to go.

Speaker 8 You know, they don't play preseason anyway, these starters on the Rams. That's always been McVay's mantra.
And I think they're just being ultra, ultra cautious.

Speaker 8 Anything you have, a back tightness or a back soreness.

Speaker 8 But the feeling I get speaking to people in that building, and it's not just Sean, it's others, is that Matthew's going to be ready for week one.

Speaker 8 And all of their doctors and medical personnel are confident that he will be ready. And I'll tell you, this is a team that is built to win now, is a team that is thinking they can win now.

Speaker 8 They could take the whole thing. And their backup quarterback's Jimmy Garoppolo.
So God forbid, you know, and I'm knocking on wood here.

Speaker 8 Jimmy Garoppolo can run an offense if they needed a week here, a week there, but there is no intention for Jimmy to be the starter to start.

Speaker 1 Debut, sorry, Shrange. So you're an Emmy Award winner, a great host.
Everything you do.

Speaker 8 Are we going to have a Jimmy talking?

Speaker 1 Well, people should not be laughing during your statements.

Speaker 1 Would Would you like to.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 3 when he said Jimmy, I just flashed back to Jimmy Devontae. And they're teammates in a different place now, but I just, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a lot in that wide receiver show about how it was going over there. And then now Jimmy's playing.
But that's what McVay.

Speaker 1 Shraig's is too close to McVay. He's holding the cards too tight.
He knows.

Speaker 1 That boy Stetson is going to raise away. Stetson Bennett, huh? Still there.
You know. He's back.
Not still there. I mean, you know, he's there and he's gone.

Speaker 1 Stetson Bennett lives his own own damn life. He does.
And we respect the shit out of him. But Matthew Stafford, back by season, is what everybody's saying.
And we saw him at the Espies.

Speaker 1 Didn't feel like it was a

Speaker 8 zero panic. I understand in, you know, you look at a headline, you're like, oh, wow.
But like, zero panic there. And it doesn't move the needle as much as say he'll be fine, but he'll be fine.

Speaker 1 Okay, Puka, I saw him at the Espys as well. Good vibes.
Great vibes.

Speaker 1 He's a rock. Hard as rock.

Speaker 1 That is unbelievable. He had a suit on that was tailored, obviously, and he looks like he's a Batman with a cape on.
Like the way he is. He's a monster.
Dap up, hug. I give him the Bill Pollyan slap.

Speaker 1 You know, Bill Polly used to do this to people first day back. Hey, how you doing? Come in for the hug.
Great to see you. God, it's great to see you.

Speaker 1 And then it's full pat down just to feel how you're doing. Okay.
And I didn't realize that until I came back really fat one time, and he was hitting all of them. Bang.
In the back.

Speaker 1 And the other one, I'm like, oh, this guy's patting me down right now just to see if I'm in shape or not. It's actually not a bad play.
Not a bad play. So with Puka, we do the hand slap.

Speaker 1 Then I go in for the hug. As I do the hug, I realize, holy

Speaker 1 shit. This guy is gigantic.
And then I hit him in his back and it was literally like slapping hands. I'm like, Jesus Christ, Puka is absolutely stacked.
That team

Speaker 1 almost had Philly. Yeah.
Almost. Now, granted, almost, almost, almost, almost, almost, almost, almost.
Aaron Donnell retires. Who knows what this team is going to be?

Speaker 1 I have to start over basically with Matthew Stafford. Now, they move on from Cooper Cup and everything like that, and that's going to be a storyline.
Haven't heard anything about him back at Seattle.

Speaker 1 No. But maybe we will continue to hear as camp rolls on.
But it was like, I don't think anybody was expecting the Rams to be what they were last year. No.

Speaker 1 Watching them do what they did, though, fun team to watch. And McVay's offense, especially if Stafford's spinning it, always going to be efficient.
Yeah, one of the games of the year was Bills Rams.

Speaker 1 You remember that game where it was basically no, it was all points.

Speaker 1 I don't think there were any punts. And then a guy that we all really loved coming out was Blake Corum.
They didn't even use Blake Corum last year. Running back dogs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're kind of, they're sneaky. Sneaky.

Speaker 8 They won that game. They won that game on that Sunday.
And then the very following week, I believe it was Sunday night. And the Eagles just absolutely trashed them at home.

Speaker 8 And it was like, all right, how do we rebound from this? And then they had a Lions game. And you look at what happens in the playoffs, and that is what is lingering with them.
And McVay tasted it.

Speaker 8 He thought, get one more possession, like one more play, like this, this could happen. They were so close, and they think they got significantly better this offseason.

Speaker 8 They love the tight end out of Oregon. They love what they got out of Devontae Adams.
So far, he's been unbelievable. Like, I hate to do this because it's so soon in training camp.

Speaker 8 I'd like to see training camp play out. But two big storylines for me are the Rams and whether they can get even better.

Speaker 8 And then the 49ers, if they can resurrect after what was a completely, completely forgettable season last year, which they would like to put way back.

Speaker 8 And they, instead of saying, let's tear it down and try it again, they brought back Kittle, they brought youth check back, they went and they signed Purdy. Like,

Speaker 8 these were the two teams of the NFC West for the last decade, and both of them think they're back and better than they've been.

Speaker 8 I'm fascinated to see how it plays out with those two teams who one of them surprised some folks, the other one's really disappointed.

Speaker 1 No chatter about the Niners at all. No.
None.

Speaker 1 I don't think there's been any chatter at all. I don't think I've seen one Brock Purdy pass on the internet.

Speaker 2 He's had a baby.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Brock. Girl dad.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen any. I'm going to.
Niners stuff? Yeah. I haven't seen a single thing.

Speaker 2 It's probably good, though, given what we've seen the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 As long as we don't hear Christian McCaffrey's name and Achilles next to him,

Speaker 1 yeah, but we were too early. I mean, that was four days before.
December 1st, yeah. Yeah, too early.
Yeah, that was crazy. I'm excited to watch these teams be back as well.
And

Speaker 1 congrats to the West Coast doing its thing. There's a a team going all in, though, in the Steel City.
We'll be there on Wednesday live from St. Vincent College.
Come see us. Go ahead, Deborah.

Speaker 3 Yes, we will be boots on the ground in Latrobe. Cannot wait.
I actually saw some comments from your old co-host, Kyle Brandt, when he sat down with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 Had a great, great answer on the Terry Bradshaw thing, and also spending time with his teammates. What are you hearing early on with Aaron and his new squad and how things are going?

Speaker 8 That it's going awesome and that this is what they envisioned, and they were okay waiting months and months and months while the rest of us were getting impatient. They were not.

Speaker 8 And Mike Tomlin never pressured him. Mike Tomlin never told him we need an answer by here, now, or when.

Speaker 8 And when Rodgers was ready, he showed up and he has been what they had hoped, a veteran presence who is lifting everyone and galvanizing everyone. I've taken a lot of heat already this summer.

Speaker 8 I've been at ESPN for about three months and I've been leading this bandwagon of just watch out for the Steelers.

Speaker 8 They didn't do all these moves to finish 10 and seven and miss, you know, the divisional round again. They believe they're a Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 8 And Omar Khan said it on the record earlier last week. And you look at the moves they're making.
And when you've got Rodgers

Speaker 8 for what they're looking at at 42 years old, coming off, you know, two years off in Achilles and then DK paying him what they're paying him.

Speaker 8 And then the Ramsey move, which I know you like Minka Fitzpatrick, but if you're going to pay a corner, you know, that money, you're paying a corner that money. You're not paying a safety that money.

Speaker 8 It was almost like they saw this vision of Jalen Ramsey bringing it the same way they see Rogers bringing it, saying, hey, my career is not done. This door is not closed.
I'm high on Pittsburgh.

Speaker 8 I'm curious to see what you guys think when you get there in the trobe. But everyone I've spoken to in the organization is like, this is not a half measure.

Speaker 8 And as much as you on the TV want to talk about the Ravens, the Chiefs, and the Bills. We want to be in that conversation too, and we belong in that conversation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's tough. The AFC North, obviously.
That's going to be a tough kitchen to get out of. It is always always hot.
Aaron Rodgers is spinning it. Every video I see.

Speaker 1 I assume Arthur Smith is jacked up. They released Cordero Patterson earlier today.
I know Arthur Smith probably had to hate that. Obviously, the game hates that as a whole.

Speaker 1 Such a unique talent, Cordero Patterson. I remember when he was just a kickoff returner, absolute beast.
Then he goes wide receiver. Then he goes running back.
Then he goes tight end.

Speaker 1 And I think they played him on defense a little bit, special teams. I mean, he was an absolute monster.
I'm excited to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers live in person.

Speaker 1 We'll have Omar Khan with us on Wednesday in the one o'clock hour. And here is what training camp looks like outside of Latrobe.

Speaker 1 This is like a pilgrimage that every person in western Pennsylvania feels obligated to take at least once in their life as a child or at least once as a family. This is for training camp.

Speaker 1 And, you know, a lot of people talk shit about training camp practices and the intensity of it and everything like that.

Speaker 1 A lot of these people will never be able to get the opportunity to get Pittsburgh Steelers tickets because season ticket waitlists, I think, for the the Pittsburgh Steelers, like 30, 40 years or something like that.

Speaker 1 The ticket prices are insane, especially this year with how old the games are going to be.

Speaker 1 So you got a lot of people in Western Pennsylvania are like, let's go see these Steelers build the team that they're going to build.

Speaker 1 Plus you get some interactions, plus you get a chance to see it all.

Speaker 1 It's a cool thing up there in St. Vincent.

Speaker 8 Growing up, I used to head up with family. We'd go to Albany.
We'd see Ike Hilliard and the Giants.

Speaker 1 That was a real thing.

Speaker 8 In August, when you get a chance to get out there and you're going with family and friends and whether it was the jets in cortland or at hofstra or the giants up in albany like it was a real cool experience as a kid and i think some of these teams the steelers for sure the bills still do it the chiefs still do it when you get out of the facility and you go to these college campuses there is something special i'm happy that hard knocks is covering the bills this year because i truly think it's a really sensational thing that they do when they get into these campus in these small college environments.

Speaker 8 It's almost like real camp and you come out of this thing galvanized, ready to go, of course.

Speaker 8 But for the fans who don't get the chance to go to a game on Sundays and who usually are relegated to dealing with it on their couch, it's awesome to see these players up close and up front.

Speaker 8 And I think Latrobe does a fantastic job with it.

Speaker 1 Getting away, eliminating all distractions, I think is great. And, you know, we talked about

Speaker 1 Bertie just having a baby or whatever. I know a lot of guys that had a couple kids that didn't mind having to go to training camp.
How long are we here for? 17 days?

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 off days too yeah 19 in total oh i think yeah okay we're gonna use those

Speaker 8 can i make one more note though on the point you guys were making beforehand about the popularity of like stats and what jj was saying again i was playing with nfl network but we used to get like research from brian rollap who is the head guy he's now at the pga congrats to him and rollap and i would and i would say you know gosh like we're doing good morning football three hours on august 2nd like do i mean we're doing full shows we're traveling everywhere like do we want to save some of our efforts to the regular season or maybe spend some of that money and do it, you know, around the playoffs?

Speaker 8 The NFL network's highest rated month year after year after year was August.

Speaker 8 Not February, not January, not December, and August because of the optimism, because of the excitement, because of the inside training camp footage you'd get, and because of fantasy football.

Speaker 8 So all those things, it all adds up to why we're so excited to what Darius was saying, like we're getting a stat and you don't, you know, we should resist it.

Speaker 8 But when you see like a sick catch or you see a sick play or an Odell Beckham style, like it's hard not to get excited because we're so starved for it.

Speaker 8 August is a time where all 32 teams and their fan bases think that this might be the year. There's a chance.
This might be the year.

Speaker 1 Hey, literally. Every team thinks that at this point because there's been showcases in the past of teams, maybe brand new coach, brand new players, same players, new vibes, new year.

Speaker 1 You go from the absolute outhouse to a penthouse. Maybe the Panthers.
You never know. Maybe the Panthers are the team that aren't fully shite this year.
T-Max making an insane catch.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw this in one-on-ones down the right side. Remember, this dude was like one of the top high school volleyball players coming out of high school.

Speaker 1 I think that helps with his ball tracking.

Speaker 1 What he did in Arizona was absurd. And yes, this was glue.
This was glue coverage. And T-Max's catch radius is absurd.

Speaker 1 And his ability to make contested catches is what everybody had been talking about with him. Perfect throw rest.
Yeah, perfect throw.

Speaker 3 You talk about the red line all the time in practice. And

Speaker 3 you throw that clip back up.

Speaker 3 You want quarterbacks, want that ride receiver to stay on that red line so they can throw him outside and make him up because like aj said great coverage but once you throw outside and you got a big frame guy like that db really has no chance outside of taking him to the ground and try to you know punch it out that way what if the panthers aren't shy

Speaker 1 that could be cool be good for the entire uh city down there but definitely tepper who has certainly put himself into a lot of jackpots on that note Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Shregs, I do.

Speaker 8 You talked about the Rams and the Niners being the biggest storylines that you're looking forward to have you heard anything or talked to anybody yet that's kind of surprised you or interested you uh about a player or team early on in training camp yeah i mean there's there's two players and one of them is close to me one of them is close to to someone in that room right there that we could talk about one is malik neighbors is absolutely tearing up giants camp and russell wilson's been the one who's been throwing him the rock for a lot of these apparently neighbors looks like he's way better than even last year dialed in and every single day day has just been unguardable.

Speaker 8 The other quarterback and the other player that I think someone in that room is going to be happy to hear, I hear Drake May is absolutely wonderful so far. Also, again, it's early.

Speaker 8 These might not be surprises, but when you get year two leaps, it means they spent the offseason working and they spent, and this is the Pop Douglas here. I'm telling you.

Speaker 8 The juice out of Patriots camp right now about Drake May is very real. And they'll bring it down because it's back to that old school style.
It's Vrabel. It's McDaniels.
It's a lot of those guys.

Speaker 8 And they're not going to pump up their quarterback. But Drake May came ready to play.
Drake May came ready to work.

Speaker 8 And I would just say, don't be shocked if we see a year two giant leap from Drake May.

Speaker 1 Your favorite in what, 11 games? 11 games, yeah. I mean, the sports books think that they're going to be good, too.
And Vrabel just wins. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's why whenever he was released or fired from the Titans, we were all surprised. Him going back to New England.
Storybook shit up there. He really is.
Actually, genuinely is.

Speaker 1 He goes into the ring of honor. And he's one of the most beloved Patriots of all time.
When you talk about

Speaker 1 the history of the Patriots and where they were and what has happened these last five years, when you think about what they were, Mike Vrabel is one of the first five guys that pops into your head.

Speaker 1 Look at those calves, AJ. The guy's still working.

Speaker 3 It's a sneaky himbo this morning, too.

Speaker 1 What was that? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Defensive player with the most touchdowns, I believe.

Speaker 1 Receiving touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Because the fridge, I think, had a few there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
So they should say most receiving touchdowns. Moz got it right.

Speaker 1 That'll probably get broken this year, though, because allegedly Bubby Spillane's, he's not coming off the field. Well, Travis Hunter.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So it's going to be Travis Hunter and Bob Spallane kind of.
Bo Melton. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah, maybe Bo Melton.
Let's talk about Travis Hunter. How many practice reps did he have there?

Speaker 1 70 something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there we go. 83 snaps, 36 on offense, 47 on defense.
And then there's the highlight of him just smoothly breaking, just so naturally explosive and his spatial awareness insane.

Speaker 1 Was able to get around the potential

Speaker 1 screen there to break it up and then obviously celebrates. Looks very easy, effortless with everything he does.

Speaker 1 Liam Cohen, obviously he's been brought in there to make this offense go and Trevor Lawrence do his thing.

Speaker 1 Stoner, after drafting Travis Hunter and training up at two to get him, cut a promo that was like, this is what football is.

Speaker 1 Football is testing the boundaries. Football is not getting boxed in.
Football is about changing the game forever. Football is about Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 Like he gave this entire speech basically about, hey, we are here. We are real.
And the reason is because of this guy.

Speaker 1 Now you got people on the defensive side of the ball that are NFL legends that are like, hey, this guy is a corner. No questions asked.

Speaker 1 Then you got other people who are like, can we put a package in for him on offense full-time? I think there's people that certainly believe that.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter, obviously, is a name that is going to be synonymous with electricity forever. How does Jacksonville view him at this moment?

Speaker 1 And I think we all love that he's getting work on both sides here. here.
They're seemingly giving him a real chance at this.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they're giving him a real chance, and it hasn't been done. And we saw Champ Bailey do it a little bit.
We saw Charles Woodson do it a little bit, of course, Deion a little bit.

Speaker 8 Roy Green, 1981, St. Louis Cardinals, I believe was the last wide receiver defensive back to play really that many significant snaps on both sides.

Speaker 8 They look at this guy as a number two overall pick that they traded next year's number one to move up to get because they think he's a franchise changer.

Speaker 8 And for Gladstone, who's 34 years old, and for Liam, who's 39 years old, and for Grant Udinsky, the offensive coordinator, who's 28 years old, this is a young group who just got the keys to the castle and they're like, hell, why not?

Speaker 8 Why not? Let's try it. Travis Hunter's been awesome.
They love what they've gotten out of him.

Speaker 8 Question is, the 18-week season, how are they going to be able to manage his snaps and not burn him out too soon? But in August, everything is sky is the limit.

Speaker 8 And they're talking as if this guy was worth everything they gave up to get him.

Speaker 1 I think we got to be very thankful that his college coach believed in him to play both positions as well. Most places would have said, buddy, you're too good of a lockdown.

Speaker 1 You're too good of a wide receiver. You can only do one.
Coach Prime had a plan for him literally since high school, and it feels like it's going to work out.

Speaker 1 On that note, there was some breaking news from a press conference this hour.

Speaker 1 Deion Sanders and a medical team from the University of Colorado came out and revealed information that he had a cancerous tumor on his bladder. They've had surgery, and he said he is now cancer-free.

Speaker 1 But obviously, he released a video yesterday kind of talking a little bit about his situation where he said he had to put a will together he also came out and said that he did not tell his boys about this diagnosis just said it was something with his foot which he has already had surgery on and had blood clots so we would like to let coach prime know that we appreciate the hell out of him leaving his stuff out of his boys life that is a very admirable and heroic thing to do especially in such an important time of their life while battling his inner demons and also our inner cancer and inner problems and we would like to let him know, hey, hell yeah, Prime, what a beat that.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, Prime.

Speaker 3 Thanks you, Coach.

Speaker 1 Way to be, yeah. Hell yeah, we need him.
That was very serious, though. Yeah.
That's very serious.

Speaker 1 And obviously the bladder, anytime any of your internal organs catch it, cancer is something that can grow and spread. He said, if you didn't get it checked, it would have never been this situation.

Speaker 1 Got it early fined, obviously had surgery. He's going to be back.

Speaker 1 Congrats, Coach. We love you, man.

Speaker 3 Important to get those, you know, those checkups, especially as you.

Speaker 8 That's what he also said at the end of that message. Everybody go get checked.

Speaker 8 So he has the platform, and not only does he share his story, but he encourages everyone to go get checked, which is, gosh, what a message.

Speaker 1 I was watching him down there in Texas all offseason,

Speaker 1 and it didn't feel, it felt different, right? Then it feeled like there was a little bit of difference, but we didn't really know what was going on. Like, obviously, his kids are gone from Colorado.

Speaker 1 So is he done? with Colorado or what's going on here? Everything was kind of quiet. Didn't hear a lot of chatter about it all.
They go through their spring. He's kind of away, still away.

Speaker 1 So to hear this diagnosis and to hear that he beat it, hell yeah, Coach Prime. What a perspective putter, you know?

Speaker 1 What a perspective putter for all of us, just thinking about Coach Prime, who seems invincible, AJ. And then his foot happens, his blood clot happens.

Speaker 1 You're talking about greatest athlete Mount Rushmore of all time having this take place. It's a nice learning lesson for all of us, AJ.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it is. Hey, I had a hamster growing up named Deion.
Deion played for Cincinnati Reds, my baseball team. Like, I've been on Dion from when I can remember, like, being on this earth.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, like, the guy is, and especially now you hear, like, the dude truly is a positive influence on everyone around him. It's pretty awesome what he's done.

Speaker 1 Well, if you look good, you feel good.

Speaker 1 You feel good,

Speaker 1 you play good. You play good, they pay good.
They pay good, you live good. You live good, you die good.
That's all we're trying to do out here. Coach Prime, we're happy you're still with us, brother.

Speaker 1 And way to beat that ass of the bladder cancer. That's scary.
That'd be a scary diagnosis. Oh, yeah.
That's a scary thing.

Speaker 1 Even like, and I I want to say even because it's very serious, people get like skin cancer diagnosed. Anytime you hear the

Speaker 1 C, it's like, all right, we got a fight here. Ladder, scary.
Happy. He is okay.
All right. On that note,

Speaker 1 Happy was a big name around the internet this weekend. Connor has a question for you, Peter.
Yeah, Peter, I could kind of tell when you first popped onto the screen. You had a little pep in your step.

Speaker 1 You're a little happier. I assume it is because, you know, the Sandman did it again.

Speaker 1 Newest best picture nominee, Happy Gilmore 2, was released this weekend. All the boys were in it.
I mean, Kelse, the golfers, Willie, I mean, shoot, Marshall was in there.

Speaker 1 What did you think of Happy Gilmore 2? Did you also think it was a home run just like everybody here at the Thunderdome did?

Speaker 1 And, you know, I just also like to take this time to say thank you to Adam Sandler for continuing to fill our lives with unbelievable movies. That's right, Adam.

Speaker 1 Hey, Sandman, thank you for the content. Love you, Sandman.

Speaker 8 Have not seen it?

Speaker 1 Dog, Drake! You son of a bitch.

Speaker 8 Was watching the two-part Billy Joel documentary that has me up.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 1 Really good. Unbelievable, guys.

Speaker 8 I'm talking about, you want to talk about for six hours of your life to just be glued to the television.

Speaker 1 Looks, the sounds.

Speaker 8 He's got four ex-wives, actually three ex-wives and a current wife, all on camera talking about him and doing so in a loving way. I'm like, this man has lived a life 76 years old.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the Sandman.

Speaker 8 let me tell you about this about about billy joel before we get to the happy gamer we won't even get to excited and see it um

Speaker 8 billy joel he should have seen it billy joel okay one of the great songwriters of all time musicians whatever he he he his he his wife was his manager they get divorced his wife is no longer his manager who does he hire he hires his ex-wife's brother to be his manager moving forward has about 10 number one hits he's touring the world he's married to christy brinkley life could not go better He looks at his bank account.

Speaker 8 He has zero dollars. Why? Because Frank Weber, his ex-wife's brother, who was his manager, stole it all from underneath him.
And then he has to come back.

Speaker 8 So he goes on a 10-year tour of traveling to Indonesia and to Russia just to make the money back. And then he comes out with We Didn't Start the Fire.
It's the number one hit in the world.

Speaker 8 And he takes it all back and he makes all the money back.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some would say kind of a weird thing to hire your ex-wife's brother-in-law to do something so important and have access to all of your money.

Speaker 2 He may have been boozed up at the time.

Speaker 1 He was a pretty legendary booze hound. Yeah.
Hey, just living too. Yeah, exactly.
I like that he had to build himself twice. A lot of talent there.
He's piano man, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What a song. Down Eastern a lot.
Came on this weekend. Always hits.
Davey. Yep.
Still the name? Davey.

Speaker 1 And it probably

Speaker 1 will be for life.

Speaker 1 What a banger. Oh, yeah.
Think about him performing that live in Indonesia.

Speaker 1 They're all doing it. I saw Ye over in Carlton.

Speaker 8 Carpenter Bagger. He's going to Russia in 10 days.
He needs the money. He's got a bit.
I mean, he has no money left.

Speaker 8 He had 20 number one hits, had no money, goes on the road and wins it and makes it all back. So Troy Aikman was posting about it from Instagram.
I'm texting Troy.

Speaker 8 Troy and I both are like just locked in.

Speaker 1 You got to watch this. I like your texting Troy Aikman.
Pretty cool there.

Speaker 1 That's awesome, especially Hall of Fame Week. That is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't have to watch a six-hour documentary. I got it.

Speaker 1 for that. Ex-wife's brother-in-law stole his money.
Ex-wife has to speak positive because, guess what? Yeah. Yeah, she's part of the thing.
So, Billy Joel Proudy, buddy.

Speaker 1 Just like we love you, Shranks. We'll talk to you soon, man.
Are you working this week? Are you hosting for a few days?

Speaker 8 I'm not hosting anything. I'm hosting all next week.
Get up. So I can't wait for that.
That'll be awesome.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. We're off.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ah. I'm telling you, we've used all of our, we're using all of our days.
And I don't love it. Get it in now.

Speaker 8 Get it in now.

Speaker 1 These last four days have been awesome. I was going to say, I don't think you hate it.

Speaker 1 I've really enjoyed it. I've really enjoyed hanging with Baby Girl.
You know, because football season is crazy. Not that our job is a real job.
Okay, never would say that.

Speaker 1 But the timing that is, you know, away and on the run, lucky to do it, thankful to do it. Get to do it.
Don't have to do it. But boy, getting a chance to hang with a little baby girl there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You only get 18 summers, you know? Yeah, exactly. She's already two.
Right. We're kind of going through this type of thing.

Speaker 1 And think about what it's like on January 25th. Go to there mentally.
So I get tweets from people that follow the show and they say we've changed. We have.
I'm a dad now. We all have kids.

Speaker 1 But with that being said, just know that football season, we got an awesome lineup coming. Yeah.
Football season, we got an awesome. And

Speaker 1 these are all these days we're taking off are all days that we've... just basically had forever.

Speaker 8 I see these tweets that like you'll be like, oh, only nine Sundays left of football. And I get the Sunday scaries because I appreciate the offseason too, my friend.

Speaker 8 And you know, we work, we grind when the season starts, but appreciate every day with the family in the offseason. I do as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we've been loving it. We've been loving it over here.
Having full, like having your Saturday and Sunday. Oh, it is nice.
It is very nice. It's very nice.
Also, what's on TV tonight?

Speaker 1 Ah, who cares? Yeah. Yeah, bingo.
It does not matter. The best.
Billy Joel's six-hour documentary. Don't go to see it.
Let me tell you what happens, Peter.

Speaker 1 Schrager.

Speaker 1 You're the man. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager.
Yes,

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Speaker 1 Obviously, the MLB is happening. Get out, see a game.
Yeah, go see a game. What's going on, MLB? There's some magical stories happening, actually.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Cece Sabathy and the boys, First Battle Hall family. Yeah, happy for him.
It feels like baseball is in the middle of a great time. A lot of positive shit going on with the MLB.

Speaker 1 Go see a game. 30 bucks off PAT with our friends at SeatGeek, but congrats to baseball.

Speaker 2 Yeah, without a doubt, Cece going in was really sweet, especially as a Yankee fan.

Speaker 2 His speech was awesome, thanking his mom and his daughters and his wife, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 He's one of the last guys. I know Hembo put out a stat about, I mean, he's like one of the last true workhorses.

Speaker 2 They don't let pitchers really throw the amount of innings like he does, or he did, I should say.

Speaker 2 2008, you know, he got traded to the Brewers midway point. It was like a walk year.
It was a contract year.

Speaker 2 He was definitely not going to stay with the Brewers, but he played with them for half a season, started 17 games. He threw seven complete games in those 17 games, and these are his last three starts.

Speaker 2 He basically put the Brewers on his back to get him into the playoffs. Look at the amount of pitches he's throwing there and the amount of innings.
Like that kind of stuff doesn't happen anymore.

Speaker 2 All on three days rest, too. Like CC was just, he was a goat.
He was a goat. And the other big story right now, Cal Rowley has kind of the big dumper.

Speaker 2 The big dumper has continued to dump on people, if you will.

Speaker 2 You look at all of like the historically what he's doing as a catcher, catcher the the the record for most homers in a year for a catcher is 48 he could he could just be terrible for the rest of the season and he should eclipse that as of right now he is on pace to pass aaron judge's 62 homers which would be the a l record

Speaker 1 I don't know what

Speaker 1 it's Johnny Bench catcher yeah Johnny Bench

Speaker 2 Johnny Bench is probably one of AJ's goats

Speaker 5 absolutely what A's don't count Jason Kendall nobody can touch Johnny Bench Oh, Benito Santiago, he was a very good catcher.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jason fucking Kendall can catch any catcher that he's ready to go.

Speaker 2 If we're talking defensive metrics, pop time, et cetera, et cetera, throwing guys out at second base, Jason Kendall is going to be right now.

Speaker 1 Okay, Paul. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 Benito invented throwing people out from your knees, so let's throw that out of it.

Speaker 1 That is true.

Speaker 2 Benito Santiago, also a big snapback behind throwing it to first base from

Speaker 2 picking guys off.

Speaker 2 Cal Rowley, though, has had, his July has been terrible. He's back 176.
He's still hitting the homers, but like even with that, he's still on pace to break the AL home run record.

Speaker 2 And yes, he did pass Judge in the American League MVP odds. Judge has a flexor strain in his elbow.
They thought he might have had like a full UCL tear, which would have been Tommy John.

Speaker 2 He would have been screwed. So he's going to be on the 10-day IL.
He said, hey, listen, if I can hit, I still want to be out there. But obviously,

Speaker 2 if he's out, the Yankees are fucked.

Speaker 1 So, congrats to baseball still being awesome. We appreciate the hell out of them.
We will certainly continue to follow along with the season. Congrats to the fattest ass in sports.

Speaker 1 Kyle Rawley continuing to do historic things. Golf happened.
Bubble Watson, obviously. Go, go, go.

Speaker 1 Drops off the deck on 10 and 13. He comes in second.
What's that, buddy?

Speaker 4 Kirk Kidiamo won the PGA. The three M Open on PGA Tour.

Speaker 1 Okay, I know that guy exists for sure. 60 on Saturday.
Love the way he golfs. I met a guy that shot a 60 twice named Stick.
Okay. Okay, friends with Morgan.
Guy's unbelievable golfer.

Speaker 1 Probably the best golfer I've ever golfed with. Will that change as Liv comes here to Indianapolis in a few weeks?

Speaker 1 Maybe. Shout out to Liv, shout out to PGA.
Shout out to baseball. Shout out to football.
Ian all the way back. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.

Speaker 1 We'll be back tomorrow if you'll have us. Wednesday, we'll be in St.
Vincent College. And then the Hall of Fame.
We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.

Speaker 1 It might change their life. Goodbye.
All right, Winnell. I want to call it St.
Vincent University. It's St.
Vincent College.

Speaker 1 yeah really and i guess ton's dad was in town this weekend he was just so many hard latros yeah he's oh dom alley hard latrobe just laytrobe all week unironically it's just who he is how he talks you guys got any good early latrobe memories the bus picked you up

Speaker 1 so i asked my i thought i saw a photo of me as a little boy i had white hair my brother had white hair and i think my dad took us up there and i think kg i think uh i think i think kevin green i think so yeah i think i think kevin green was very affable with all the fans and going around with him i i looked i asked my mom to look for the photo couldn't find it but i do remember in my head i remember being there and uh i think the big thing is steelers have always had just like i don't want to say local legends because obviously they're in the nfl now so the entire country knows them but like Steelers players are revered by Pittsburgh people in such high all the time.

Speaker 1 Like all of the players. Forever.

Speaker 1 So there's been so many legends of the Steelers and it's like training camp was the only time that you could really get up and like see them and meet them and take pictures.

Speaker 1 Now obviously it was social media and podcasts and everything you see. There's so much more access to people.
But if Fedco wasn't talking to them,

Speaker 1 I ain't no shit about it. So like the things that were coming out of training camp into pictures and people, it's like, it's cool.

Speaker 1 It's one of those things that's like very much a pillar of Western Pennsylvania is the Pittsburgh Steelers training camp. And I assume there's other places that are like that as well.

Speaker 1 Obviously the Packers have great history with the bikes and everything like that. You can talk about the old school teams, which the Pittsburgh Steelers definitely are, but it is very much like

Speaker 1 a hey, this is a part of our fabric, the training camp as a whole. And I think people appreciate it because Pittsburgh is a working time and training camp is literally work.
So it's like a

Speaker 1 it's really just like a perfect

Speaker 1 collision of everything that is the city, which is why it's going to be so cool to be able to go there.

Speaker 1 I guess there's a little bit of a buzz of us going there, but even if we weren't going, there would be a fucking buzz because training campaigns. There's the most.
Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 No, those are insane, but I feel like Pittsburgh probably has the most players who used to play there who then stay and live in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, raise their families. Yeah, like a college camp.
It's like a college team and training camp. It's just like always at the same place.

Speaker 1 I remember Casey fucking Hampton walking into these St. Vincent College dorms with a pillow and a bed.
And they're like, how you doing this year, Casey?

Speaker 1 He's like, I'll lose weight for probably the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 But it was like the same, it was the same exact dorms, same exact, it's like just, you know, it's just tradition. It is like a college.

Speaker 1 Like, the Pittsburgh Steelers are run like a university because there's so much, you know, kind of stay with the entire franchise.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I'm not, I'm not sure how it is for every other program, but I saw like last week, Kiesel was there, Troy Palmo was there, Ike Taylor was there, Joey Porter Sr. was there.

Speaker 4 Casey, like they all, they all roll through every training camp, and I don't know if that, how, how rare and that is not like, that is not normal, I don't think.

Speaker 5 Other teams definitely have people that stop by, but the Steelers, it seems like every year they have tons of their old legends coming back.

Speaker 1 The Blitzes. Go ahead.
Yeah, Tom, that's what I'll say. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 The Blitzes, they keep the names, right? Isn't that the

Speaker 1 dog blitz? There's a couple other blitzes that they keep the same. So when the boys come back, they can actually just go stand in seven-on-seven and understand what's happening.

Speaker 1 Like, those are the finer details that, like, you know, hey, let's make this a real. It's awesome.

Speaker 5 Imagine being a player.

Speaker 5 Imagine being, no matter what, if you're a rookie, young kid, or even a vet on the team, having these dudes that you grew up watching, like, and they're like, they're like, relate, hey, man, when you're, when you're, when you're about to blitz on that, when they know what you're running, hey, don't, don't show it.

Speaker 5 I saw you peeking up. You know, you have to wait in the front of your front of your feet.
You're leaning a little bit. The quarterback's up.

Speaker 5 Like, imagine getting tips like that in a training camp practice. Like, okay, thanks, Troy.
Paulomalu.

Speaker 1 He was there.

Speaker 1 I guess Troy's boys were ballboying, you know, which is like so much a part of like, that is that just even more feeds it all. Wow.
But him just like just hanging out back there.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's forgotten more about football than all those fucks yeah so good on every field and it's like hey uh can you get jesus to tell me what's gonna happen because it feels like that was kind of your thing i think troy could probably go out

Speaker 1 i think he could probably make pro bowl this year if he wanted to just because he would know exactly

Speaker 1 how do he always know

Speaker 1 dime backer how'd he always know He always knew.

Speaker 3 His instincts were, I mean,

Speaker 3 top, top, top team. Yeah, film for sure.
But I I feel like his feel for the game.

Speaker 3 Sometimes you get like him, Ed Reed, Charles Woodson, Honey Badger, like some of those guys just had a different feel for the game. Like, almost like, yeah, the football gods are on their side.

Speaker 3 Like, the ball finds a way to find them all the time. They always have an instinct of something like you talk about that fake, you know, the fake kick.

Speaker 3 Like, just something off that he may have felt that he saw, man. But those guys were special.
And Troy was one of one for sure.

Speaker 1 I saw you. I saw him jogging on the field with a little bit more positive.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's that's what he said yeah i gave it away no way i mean this is me probably viny had a little pep in your step he could he could tell

Speaker 1 a touchdown in pittsburgh yeah that was probably pretty jacked up we're in an ear-to-ear troy season

Speaker 1 we're doing it i got through that doing high knees before he get in there

Speaker 5 practicing with were you gonna run it in yeah walk it in actually the way it was well What if he would have what if he would have like messed with you even more and he let you keep it on because he knew he's like I am going to kill this guy ear hole

Speaker 1 because the way that was supposed to be set up you've seen it

Speaker 1 the fake has been run so many times literally the holder just gets up and can just kind of walk right in because they overload on one side all you need is your guard to pull standard stuff and it should just be you should be able to get a freight train through there there should be no problem if you can get up that is all we need you to do here catch the ball get up

Speaker 1 and walk to paint that is literally what it was Congratulations. You're scoring a touchdown.
Thank God. That's what a fucking.
I got a dance, too. I got to do my shit when I get in there.

Speaker 1 In Pittsburgh, are you?

Speaker 5 Are you going to dump the ball out? Are you going to poop the ball out?

Speaker 1 No, I was going to dunk it.

Speaker 1 Okay, first of all, definitely going to do that. Kay Finney, got to kick a 45-yard extra point.
And then I was probably going to do the

Speaker 1 disappearing act, you know, with the handkerchief.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You're magical.

Speaker 3 That would have been a good gimmick.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. It would have been a full key and peel skid.
We're dunking that thing.

Speaker 1 Don't touch me.

Speaker 1 You know, make that shit disappear. Ref throws the flag.
I pick that fucker up, obviously. Start putting that thing in there.

Speaker 1 Did you have it on you? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I had shit on me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Oakland. We played Oakland Christmas Eve.
We were supposed to call a fake. I got tackled by Darren.
I think Darren Bates, I think,

Speaker 1 killed me.

Speaker 1 I was supposed to score a touchdown there. I had the fucking thumb.
I had the handkerchief in my hand thing. I was pulling that fucker out.
We're doing it. I was prepared.
Be prepared. Awesome.

Speaker 1 Be prepared.

Speaker 1 Yeah. $100,000 fine.
Fucking, Vinny, you're going to have to kick a 50-yard extra point.

Speaker 1 Act like you've been there before. I haven't, and I never will again after this.

Speaker 1 Steve, too. Oh.
Hell yeah. Black hole.
Instead, they ruled a fumble, even though I was dying for sure. And fucking six guys on top of me.
Fucking Jesus. This is not how this was supposed to go.

Speaker 1 Guy had to pull. It was supposed to be on one side, you know, because guard was going to pull.
It was supposed to be on one hash. I forget, maybe the right hash

Speaker 1 inside red zone. We're on left hash at like 35.
Fuck it. Need to run it.
It's like, well, the guard pulling now is a D-lineman, not an offensive guard. This guy's never pulled before.
I call the play.

Speaker 1 He goes, this ain't what

Speaker 1 we're doing.

Speaker 1 I hit a guy with a fucking spin move. Have you seen this? You ever seen this?

Speaker 5 I don't know if I, I mean, I'm sure I have, but I can't think of it.

Speaker 1 Right in the middle, I thought I had him. Boom, I hit him with one hip.

Speaker 1 I thought I had him spin. Dislocated kneecap, too.
Nobody's talking about it. But boom, hit him with a spin.
Nobody. He hits me on one leg into my other leg.

Speaker 1 I get a bruise on this leg from this fucking knee.

Speaker 1 This knee hits this leg. You just gotta smash back this much.
Oh, five smart.

Speaker 1 Finally.

Speaker 5 Your one knee gives your other knee the bruise.

Speaker 1 Boom, turn, bang, foul down, hit ground, ball comes out holy scrum on top of me

Speaker 1 i was back i'm telling i think it's hockey league i'm telling them i was down because it doesn't matter dude it's fourth ever yeah okay okay

Speaker 1 well it goes on to goddamn i won't lose a football

Speaker 1 yeah i didn't if i was dying i would look at it watch that's a vibe game yeah one nigga knocked out that game derek car

Speaker 3 MVP season was ended that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 He was rich, Dude, you don't

Speaker 1 know, brother. You weren't.
Well, no, I do remember, but it's always fun going back. Derek Carr almost won the MVP.
Dude, that was December 24th. I mean, that was late in the season.
He was still.

Speaker 1 And then they lost to like Tom Savage and the Texans. Well, it's because his knee was twisted off like a chicken wing.
It was nasty.

Speaker 1 I remember.

Speaker 1 He was. He was filthy.
I bet he looks back.

Speaker 2 Yeah, his career was kind of never the same after that.

Speaker 1 How could it be? With what happened? I don't know. That was crazy.
I saw a video of that old stadium. Candlestick? No, that's San Francisco.

Speaker 1 What's the one at Coliseum? Coliseum?

Speaker 1 Played both of those. Got to play in Candlestick last year and in Coliseum last year.
I mean, they're obviously dated and shitty, but it's nice to know that's folklore. Like the candlestick one.

Speaker 5 Nostalgia.

Speaker 1 So much. You come out of a movie.
It's like you're in NFL films. Like Steve Sable was voicing it over.
There was people sitting sideways. You remember that a candlestick?

Speaker 1 Like you're sitting this way and the field is this way Because it was the whole thing. And you like walking the thing under.
It was awesome. It was.

Speaker 3 That was Lambeau, kind of the same feeling like you feel like you're in the movie.

Speaker 3 Oakland, even Oakland, you know, they weren't, I mean, they were good that year, but like seeing the black hole and the fans there with all the shit on. And I went there.

Speaker 3 My best friend played there for a while. So I went there for a game as a fan.
I think they were playing the Chargers.

Speaker 1 Boy,

Speaker 3 that environment, that was some real shit, boy.

Speaker 1 Raiders fans always brought it. Yes.
They always brought it up.

Speaker 1 Yep, here's the play. Here's the play.
Here's the play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were on the left. Ash was supposed to be on the right.
Guy pulls, falls. Oh, I got it.
Bang, move, bang. Down.
I was down through. You clearly saw it.
Clearly saw it. Good move.

Speaker 5 Good tackle. I mean, good move.
And to his credit, good tackle.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Yeah, he read it.
He was not supposed to be there. He knows that.

Speaker 5 He run it back.

Speaker 1 I thought you had it, honestly. No, gain of zero.
Yeah, I looked over. I looked over.
I was staring right at the get up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, read him.
That's a good move. Okay.

Speaker 5 Hot sauce.

Speaker 1 Man, good tackle. Down.
I was down. I was down.

Speaker 1 Clearly, down. Oh, let's see.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 Down. Okay, okay.
Down.

Speaker 1 Gain of zero. Cool.
I was down.

Speaker 1 No questions asked. I remember it happening.
Clearly, I thought I had him. Thought I had him.

Speaker 1 You almost did. Almost did.
Yeah, you almost did.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine I he

Speaker 1 there?

Speaker 1 Still go. In that, there's a hand warmer.
I got a hand warmer on it.

Speaker 5 Oh, and then everybody's on top of your elbow to fold it underneath your body, probably like

Speaker 1 talking shit. I mean, it was a whole

Speaker 1 situation, bro.

Speaker 5 All right, it's not a big deal. Not that big of a deal, bro.
If it's a phone war or not, you're like, yes, it is the big deal.

Speaker 1 To me, it's on my record. I get it.

Speaker 1 Imagine my head. I thought I was going to hit him with a fuck.
First of all, not supposed to be there.

Speaker 5 For sure.

Speaker 1 Okay, fucking no problem. Me and you, brother.
Fucking NFL linebacker. Did you hit him with like a steel?

Speaker 1 Steal.

Speaker 1 Circle! Circle! Yeah! Circle!

Speaker 1 Good luck next time!

Speaker 1 He didn't all fall for it, and he was dancing while the people were shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, easiest tackle.

Speaker 3 Yeah, don't fight for it. Well, those days are behind you now.
Learning moment now for kickers pun is like, doesn't matter who recovers this. It's our ball.

Speaker 1 And you look down and you see the chains, and you see you gain zero yards.

Speaker 1 Jesus, that's tough stuff.

Speaker 1 I was in a bomb pile, had my hand on the ball, kickoff against Dallas.

Speaker 1 Guy brings it out, fumbles somewhere in 2030, maybe, in between 20 and 30. I'm late to the pile.
I'm like, oh, fuck you. Get a chance to get, you know, I'm late to the pile.
I start working my arm in.

Speaker 1 I get to ball. Got it.
I have right hand on ball. Football, huh? Football?

Speaker 1 Christian Wilkins. Good question.
What's everybody talking about? Louise, Louise.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I have hand. You know, people always say there's stuff going on under there.

Speaker 1 I know, yeah, yeah. I was on the outside.
I was on the outside. I was on the fringes out here.
Hand in, though. Get to ball.
Okay, no control over it or anything like that.

Speaker 4 But I'm like,

Speaker 1 hold on.

Speaker 1 Is this where

Speaker 1 I think I beat the game here? And then all of a sudden that shit gets

Speaker 1 very quickly. And then I'm trapped under there again.
And then it's a whole scene. That decision.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's no worse feeling than fumbling.

Speaker 1 Oh. Like when that ball, like, especially you get a pick, you return it back.

Speaker 1 I think you beat. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Go down.

Speaker 4 first down team.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The big guys, the big guys, D-linemen get their hands on that ball and then they run 15-20 yards, and then that ball just gets

Speaker 1 punched up. Wide receiver,

Speaker 1 Chargers, Falcons. First down then, bud.

Speaker 1 Happened this year where I think it was the Falcons. They either got a pick or a fumble, and the D-lineman's returning the ball.
Oh, I'm going to score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 Yeah, someone from the Chargers punches it out. They recover first down again.

Speaker 4 Blindsided, always blindsided. Oh, speaking of.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I saw it.

Speaker 4 You're talking about handkerchief and blindsided and pulling defensive linemen. Did you see a bull rip that guy's face open?

Speaker 1 And on that note,

Speaker 1 we'll be back tomorrow. Did you see it? I did.
I did not see this. Yeah, this is what our algorithm's been doing.
I reposted.

Speaker 1 You reposted it?

Speaker 1 I hadn't seen his face. All right, come on.
Come on, you're a part of Prop.

Speaker 3 I know somebody tweeted, like, hey, this is like a D-lineman in the trap block, you know, thing. And it was so accurate.

Speaker 3 I just reposted Ladd and Face and then some of the comments, like, guys, this guy's face is hanging.

Speaker 1 You should unrepost it.

Speaker 3 I did. I did, dude.

Speaker 3 That's what people were saying.

Speaker 5 Send it to me, D-But.

Speaker 1 I got you. We need our algorithms not to do this stuff.
No, it was.

Speaker 3 He jumped in there.

Speaker 1 I do want to run with the Bulls at some point. That looked pretty sick.
Did you see that? Did you think Troy Paul Malu come in and help him? Yeah, I think Road Rules did it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I believe they did.

Speaker 1 I did not see Troy Paul and Mala.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so after his face gets ripped off, a guy wearing Troy Paul and Malu jersey comes in and carries fucking Palomalu.

Speaker 1 Of course, going to save the day. I saw a Palomalu jersey at the Yankees Phillies game over the weekend, too.
I don't think you did. You saw a Phillies

Speaker 1 couple. I think you saw a Phillies couple.
We all did. They're having a good time out there.
Now, I did see something in Ohio. Did you see? In Ohio? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What I want to say is, thank God for fucking Kennywood. Okay?

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. Thank God for Kennywood.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine being a child in Ohio, more specifically, Sandusky, Ohio?

Speaker 1 You roll over there to Cedar Point. You go on the siren's cursed coaster because you're a kid and you're finally tall enough to ride.
And what happens? Oh, you're stuck. Left to die.

Speaker 1 Now you go to walk down the entire thing.

Speaker 1 Tiny steers, there's like an 11-year-old

Speaker 1 walking down these steps. Now, granted, they had to sit there for like 15 minutes or whatever first.
And there's somebody that's like strapped up to it completely up there.

Speaker 1 And I assume they're saying, hey, you're in a much safer position than I am. Everything's going to be okay.
What we need you to do

Speaker 1 get up

Speaker 1 to this tiny little set of stairs over here. Everybody needs to keep calm and walk down 200 feet.
There's no way. Be wary of the wind.

Speaker 3 It's a bit gusty.

Speaker 1 Have you seen how this terrifyful

Speaker 1 actually works? Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 It gets to the top of this hill, and then there's no track.

Speaker 1 Hold it.

Speaker 4 And it tilts down 90 degrees and connects to a track, and then it goes.

Speaker 1 And it got stuck right before a connection. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it's basically hanging up over nothing yeah there's another video that I said just sent nobody blaming this deed that shows it I will say this shout out to Cedar Point you have been a fantastic amusement park over the years we appreciate you obviously trying to upgrade your rides but there's only one amusement park okay in this great country that doesn't start with Disney and that's fucking Kenny's boom wood Kenny wood never see this again that's how that's dude that track tilts five degrees down and connects to another track.

Speaker 1 Okay, so there's nothing below you right now. This is the start? No, this is where they got stuck.

Speaker 4 But yeah, that's where they climb up to, and then where they're sitting right there levers down 90 degrees and connects to another track.

Speaker 1 I have been somebody that's been to Cedar Point before.

Speaker 1 Great place. Great place.
It's awesome. Charger to the game, too.
This is a part of doing the roller coaster thing.

Speaker 1 But boy, when I saw this this weekend, I thought to myself, could you imagine being a 12-year-old on this? You'd be ruined forever. Never going to ever use it.
Never again.

Speaker 1 That's why I thank Kenny Wood and Steel Curtain for always showing up for me. Hell yes.
And a a potato patch doing its thing.

Speaker 1 Fucking great delivery. And a Thunderbird and erasers.
I mean, you can put the fucking swings on that thing with Kenny Wood does. Are we going before the troll? Yeah, Thunderbolt, you get it?

Speaker 1 It's like an hour away. Thunderbird.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're going to Kenny Wood doing Wednesday. Oh, man.
That's interesting. I got to go to the bathroom.
We'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice.

Speaker 1 It might change your life or anything together. Hope you all are having as great of a summer as we are.
We're trying to enjoy it. We hope you are too.
We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Be a friend, tell a friend, something nice that might change your life. We're going to stay together.
Team on me, team on three. One, two, three.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.