PMS 2.0 1379 - Tyrese Haliburton LIVE In The ThunderDome, Peter Schrager, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome.

On this training camp Tuesday, July 22nd, 2025, this program begins now.

Sports are happening in a massive way.

26 teams have checked into training camp today.

Two teams remain to be checked in tomorrow, including the Pittsburgh Steelers, which we will be joining them at their training camp next Wednesday.

Football has officially happened.

We're going to have helmets on fields.

Yeah.

We have pictures of players arriving at buildings.

We have every team at the bottom of the mountain trying to get to the top.

That's right.

I want to let everybody know.

All these other teams.

Say it with me, nine-year-old NFL vet.

Uh-oh.

Darius J.

Butler.

Anthony Richardson.

Uh-huh.

Thin.

Anthony Richardson looks jocked.

Anthony Richardson, jawla.

Anthony Richardson looks like he's about to take over the entire AFC.

Let's go, AR.

Uh-huh.

Love seeing that fresh off a good shoulder.

He does, doesn't he?

Yeah, sure.

See, but whenever we're looking at pictures of people, I think you can tell.

There's been a couple training camps I've showed up, 270.

Yep.

This guy has a lot of work to do.

Sure.

Gonna see me in a long sleeve, sweatpants.

The bulking summer.

Toboggan.

Had a great summer.

Yeah.

Then you show up in shape.

It's like kind of more mid-season form.

I think we can get things from initial photos from training camp.

Yes, for sure.

We saw some other photos with the team kicking, I think, in Cali, right?

Some of the receivers, some of the couple of the quarterbacks, Dan Jones, AR as well.

But showing up to camp, you know, showing up to camp, you got to show up in shape.

That's half the battle because you don't want to be gas, you know, being tired.

That makes cowards of us all.

So you're showing up in shape.

I think that's been an issue with AR.

You know, you've talked about it.

A lot of people have talked about it.

He talked about it.

Tapping out, being tired.

You got to be in shape, especially.

Yes, you've talked about it loudly.

You.

Especially as the quarterback, the leader.

You're coming in for a quarterback.

We all.

You want to see this guy fit and rip.

That's why he was drafted where he is.

So I think showing up, showing up is half the battle.

And I can't wait to see this battle.

Okay.

I want to let him know.

I am am ready to be his biggest fan.

Like I was

drafted.

Yeah.

Like whenever I saw him do everything that he did with the spin move, spike, the whole thing.

I mean, he is electrifying.

Just felt as if he didn't fully comprehend the position that he was in.

Now, a couple years of experience, some more injuries, going into a make-it-break it year with the ownership actually saying, hey, there's enough time here on his deal for him to go ahead and cement a future with the Indianapolis Colts.

Everything looks up.

He's in competition though with Danny Dimes.

That's right.

Danny Dimes has been down a long road as well, has a lot of adversity, but but these are the type of storylines that are already starting.

These are the type of convos that we're allowed to have because teams are back at training camp.

Next week, training camp with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Next Thursday, Hall of Fame game.

Holy shit, we made it to football series.

Yeah.

Toxic Tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Good to see you boys.

You look fantastic.

It's not just about us today, is it?

No, it's not.

It's not just about the NFL teams checking in training camp, although there's a lot.

It's not just about Jerry Jones saying, shit, he might get shot in the fucking head.

Yeah.

We don't know.

It's valid.

You want to pay?

You got money?

What if he he gets shot in the head and dies?

Wait, he don't leave.

Then what?

How about this?

What if he's out at a bar?

Okay, has beer.

We all have beers.

He accidentally slips, falls, busts the bottle, falls further, slices his throat.

Jeez.

Bleeds out in the bar.

Could happen.

Everyone's screaming.

Why am I paying a guy $100 million?

These are the decisions you got to make.

You know, these are, this is real.

You ever pay a guy a lot of money and then he gets hurt and doesn't play?

I have.

Shit.

Basically what he said about Mike Parsons opening to a training camp.

Micah then

participates in the whole thing by retweeting J.J.

Watts saying, JJ's going, What a

chair, first day of training camp.

Come on.

Don't need to throw Dak under the bus from what happened a couple years ago.

And then, oh, yeah, by the way, here's Micah.

Let's throw him under the bus as well.

When you're in the middle of potentially negotiating, your kids negotiating.

And then Micah reposts it.

It's like, so Dallas Cowboys are right in the middle of where Dallas Cowboys always are.

Yep.

Shit.

Yeah.

Just absolutely buzzing quickly.

So we don't need to talk about that.

We can talk about Brown in Cincinnati.

Whoa.

Talk about shit.

We've got a promo.

I mean,

are we not turtle enough for the turtle?

Yeah, bingo.

You know, while we're speaking, I'm wondering.

But then all the things he's saying, I'm like,

does anybody want to go play for the Bengals after listening to this?

I think it takes a certain type of guy.

Yeah, I'd say.

Now, they paid Jamar, they paid T, they paid Joey Burrow.

All the players that play there say, hey, we love the Bengals, except for Carson Palmer, who was willing to retire.

if he was going to still stay there and many other players of the past, but it feels like a new Bangles.

And then we hear him talk, and it's like he obviously loves the league.

He loves his team.

He loves everything like that.

The things he's saying, oh, things going to bow well for a lot of stuff.

No, we're on his side for the Shamar Stewart stuff at this point.

At the beginning, we thought the Bengals were bangling him.

Thought they were adding a little extra

to try to, you know, undercut some funds, which he was open about.

People say I'm worth $4 billion.

Where's that at?

I want it.

I would like to have that.

Yeah, it'd be nice.

I'm running a business.

You know what?

This is my business, how I'm doing this entire thing.

So Shamar Stewart, we're on the Bengals side for that entire thing.

The Trey Hendrickson stuff is wild.

It's been multiple years now.

And he said, I'll have you know, he's still under contract right now.

So silly of me to even negotiate, give him a raise, but also, we're doing it.

Wild times right now.

First day of training camp, getting a lot of quotes, getting a lot of action.

It is fantastic.

But let's go to another league.

Let's go to an

Eastern Conference champion.

Whoa.

Olympic gold medal winner.

A Puma athlete.

Boom!

Boom!

Jesus.

Boom!

Ladies and gentlemen,

representing the Indiana Pacers, Tyrese Hallebert.

Yay, Tyrese!

We had to do all the NFL stuff up front, and you understand why.

I get it.

I get it.

I appreciate you understanding that.

With that being said, great to see you, Tyrese.

Hell yeah.

When you rolled in here this morning, the boys were so jacked.

So jacked.

We were excited.

There was a buzz in the air that you were coming.

We're obviously big fans of yours.

How are you feeling?

Where are you at at this stage?

And how many weeks are we into this now?

How many do you do you have all that tracked?

Yeah, yesterday was four weeks from surgery.

Okay, congratulations on a month.

I think normally.

My mom says not a month.

Okay, because 30, 31 days, 28 days.

I mean, there's a whole...

We got an argument about it the other day.

There's a calendar, I think.

I don't know if it's the Mayans or the Rose.

It's the month of February.

My favorite month.

It's a great month.

Celebrate a lot of great things in February.

Obviously, Super Bowl's there.

My birthday's in that month.

Yeah.

Sometimes.

Yeah.

One time every four years.

Oh, yeah, because you got the leap year.

Correct.

Anyway, so you're four years old.

The thought of you going through this Achilles injury and rehab happening so late in a season, it automatically rules out next season.

So when does that kind of process hit you?

When does that happen?

And as it's taking place and we see you kind of have that emotional moment afterwards, is that everything just flashing in front of your eyes?

Like the series, the game, next year?

Like how much of that is all settling in in that one moment in front of the entire world watching?

Yeah, I think in that moment, all that I am thinking about is that that game specifically, you know,

you know, because there was definitely a cause for concern that that could happen.

And you always hear people who have this injury say it feels like somebody kicked you in the back of the leg, right?

It's not like the most painful thing, but it does feel like if you let like an elementary age kid just come up, line you up like a kickball and just kick you in the back of the leg.

That's what it feels like.

And so when I went down, I knew right away, you know, what had happened.

And

yeah, I think I was just hurt that I wasn't going to be able to be out there.

And

yeah, I think that was just all those emotions coming in at once.

But it wasn't about, I wasn't thinking about next year or what's led up to this.

All I was thinking about was being in the moment of game seven.

And, you know, that happening definitely sucked.

Yeah, and you're probably going to score 40, 50, 60.

Maybe 100.

Yeah.

Yeah.

First one.

Maybe 100 points with how big the hoop was.

I think you had nine points in the first, what, minute and a half or something like that.

It was an absurd start.

Not your normal start.

Normally you are more of a disher.

Let's get everybody into the flow of the game here as a point guard early, and then you get your points late.

I think in the fourth quarter, late in fourth quarter, your stats were absurd compared with everybody as a...

point getter but you're also a guy who is the straw who stirs the drink for the entire team so very rarely do you come out firing you want to get everybody else involved and you did and that hoop looked gigantic which is why i think we're all so incredibly heartbroken for you because we know how hard of a moment it is to get to speaking of getting to that moment can you walk us through the injuries yeah like because we knew you were hurt i think because we know you and also we were at every game we were watching every game and talking to everybody.

There was a little bit of a limp.

And then, if you would land funny, it was clear that something was going on.

What was the road to that Achilles terror?

Because that's obviously been talked about a lot by a lot of people.

Yeah, I think

so.

Leading up, I felt good throughout the playoffs.

Obviously, a little nicks and bruises, whatever.

But game one, I felt good.

Game two,

game one hit to get a winner.

Yep, game one was good.

What a shot.

First game winner since Jordan.

Hey!

What a shot.

The finals.

Who?

Just two.

Just two.

Just two guys, I think, since, what was it, 1998?

And it's Tyrese and Michael Jordan with Buzzard Breeders in the NBA Finals.

Hey, not bad.

Also, both Olympic Goldmoors.

That's right.

It's not bad company to be in there, obviously.

But what a moment.

You had a lot of these moments throughout playoffs.

I think the boys are probably going to ask about them.

But that's why it was such a cool thing to kind of watch it all.

But game one, you're feeling incredible.

You're feeling good.

Game one, I felt good.

Game two, throughout the course of the game, I started to feel kind of some pain in the back of my leg.

I just thought I was...

dehydrated.

I tend to not drink a ton of water on game day.

I get a little fancy.

So I'm thinking I'm just a little dehydrated.

Just got some

who's your water.

That's like rule number one.

You got to stay hydrated.

I could do a better job.

I have my day.

When I'm a child, if I take my dad drinks, do you guys hydrate correctly every day?

No, every day.

But I'm not doing hydrogen.

Every day, brother.

No, you don't.

Every day, brother.

And check my piss.

It is a light yellow.

Nope.

Nope, not every day.

I got a champion.

I had a bad day.

I was excited for you.

You ever see that?

I understand that.

I understand that.

I appreciate you having me excited.

It's the NBA Finals.

But you know that hydration chart on piss color?

Yep.

No, mine's always in championship mode.

Okay.

Always.

Sounds like he's always a bad teammate.

Yeah, because that's down here.

That's not here.

You're pissing gold, brother.

No, no.

Dark brown pissing.

Yeah.

It wasn't all that.

It wasn't all that.

Calmed down.

I was a little nervous.

So

I probably could have done a better job drinking water.

That's what I'm thinking.

So I'm thinking, okay, I just got some pain in the back of my leg.

It is funny, though, that we as a society, especially in sports, if anything goes wrong, it's like, didn't have enough water.

Always strain, pull, cramp.

You need water, water, water.

Headache, water, water, correct.

I think I didn't hydrate well enough.

So after the game, starting to feel some stiffness, get some work done.

There's a video of me limping to the

whatever.

So I get an MRI the next day just to be sure that nothing's going on.

There's just some swelling, but nothing that really caused any real concern.

You know, it's like, okay, I'm just going to play through it.

I got pain, but it's the NBA Finals.

Let's do it.

So game three, four, five,

definitely have some soreness, but game five the moment happens where I shot fake chet and I just kind of fall and right there I felt a pull in the back of my calf so now that's all I'm thinking about all game that's what I'm concerned concerned about is my leg so I get an MRI again the next day now I have a calf strain and I meet with the whole front office our whole organization

a lot of doctors who are much smarter than me who tell me that I have a calf strain I got some more swelling in the area and if it was the regular season that I would have to sit a couple weeks And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, well, as long as you guys don't tell me you guys are absolutely, you can't play.

We're going to keep you in your house.

I'm going to play.

It's the NBA Finals.

What are we talking about?

Yeah.

So I'm in my head.

Which we love, by the way.

Yeah, in my head, I'm already feeling that way.

So they tell me that, we get done with the meeting.

I'm like, cool.

So we go to game six.

I got to pass basically a calf stress test, like an Achilles stress test

that I pass and go play the game.

We win by a lot.

So I only had to play 23 minutes.

So honestly, after the game, I was just, my calf wasn't even bothering me after game six, to be completely honest with you.

I got a massage after the game, but I was like, I thought I was going to be in real pain, like really be hurting after the game.

Felt great.

So after game six, I'm like, it's done.

The calf thing, it's gone.

It's gone.

Yeah.

Adrenaline is going to get to me.

I'm going to be good.

So I go to game seven.

I feel nothing.

I feel great going into the game.

I think that's why I had such a great start to the game.

My body felt great.

And then obviously, you know, that happens in the end, unfortunately.

But I felt great going into game seven.

It's just unfortunately, you know, you know, what had what happened.

Yeah, it sucks for sure that it happened game seven.

But I think there was a lot of conjecture, I believe, is a term that we could use to describe the situation that was happening about how you would have known that potentially the Achilles was going to tear.

And them saying that they were going to hold you out if it was a regular season game, that's because there was inflammation down there.

Is that why?

Yeah, yeah.

And it just wouldn't, like, hey, a regular season game, we don't need regular season, a couple of weeks.

Hope, you know, hopefully you let it pass, let it go away, and you come back.

But it's the the NBA Finals we don't got a couple weeks a lot of Achilles diseases this year yeah I think we had seven this year and I'm already in the playoffs yeah I think yeah big tatum all number zero

yeah it's definitely unfortunate it sucks you know all of us are you know having to battle back but I think that there's like a notion when guys get injured or when this has happened so many times that everybody thinks that they have the answer as to why this is happening everybody thinks we play too many games play too many minutes all those things could be true but i don't think that that is what is causing these injuries.

Last season, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think there was a single Achilles tear last season, and it was the same amount of minutes, same amount of games, right?

Guys didn't suddenly get larger in the course of a year.

So I don't think that anybody has necessarily the answer.

I think injuries are just bad luck sometimes, and that's just what happened.

But I think that that's just what happens in sports sometimes.

You know, I think there's no way to really control it, but everybody has the answer, it seems like, as to why this is happening.

Well, I appreciate the fact that you don't like that your name was probably being used as something to try to change the NBA and you're probably being used as an example.

Like Ty Reese doesn't deserve to have this situation happen to him and your name is being used and your injury is being used as a narrative against the NBA, I assume.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think I think other guys who this has happened to, I don't want to speak for them, but I think that they could relate that sometimes, most of the time it's like a freak injury.

Most of the time guys, again, I'm not going to speak for other guys, but there are guys who this happens to that it just, they felt nothing and then it happened.

You know, and that's not the case with me.

That wasn't the case with, you know, KD a couple years ago with his he had a calf injury prior but i trust me i talked to him a ton yeah let's talk about that how many people have you got a chance to catch up with because i think the achilles community is that i think it is like the actual community it's funny because kd has said like he's tired of being the achilles guy you know but i think that that is just

how it has had to happen because not many guys have been able to come back and play at such a high level and he's been kind of the poster child of that in our poster man sorry not a child poster man of that in our in our game so um, yeah, I think it's easy for all of us to just reach out to him.

What do you guys talk about?

Like, whenever they come see you, what do they tell you?

Like, hey, this is gonna suck.

Yeah, like, do they give you like the Rio about it, and it's somebody you can lean on?

Because Tatum's, what, just a couple weeks ahead of you?

Yeah, he's like 20 days, yeah, 20 days ahead of you.

So, that is a perfect person to basically forecast what's coming down the pipe for you.

Is that the conversation, or what else are you guys kind of catching up?

Yeah, I think that's the majority of the conversation.

Um, I think, more importantly than anything, and with injuries in general and sports, and you guys know is the mental side of things.

And um, I think right now, everybody's in their offseason.

So I don't know if I'm necessarily, I've felt the full weight of it.

You know, nobody's playing.

Nobody's at the, everybody's in the summer living their life, whatever.

I happen to just be here in Indiana.

Great place, love it.

Great place, love it.

Great place for summers.

Great place.

Great summer place.

Until 9:30, 9.45.

Yeah, you can tee off at 8 p.m.

and get 18 holes in.

The sun is still out.

Great place.

Love my neighborhood.

Love my community.

Whatever.

So I'm here, but I don't think I'll feel the full weight of everything until next next season starts, the guys start to come around, season starts, and I'm not able to perform.

So I think that's

more so what we talk about more than anything.

Katie actually came and visited me the other day, came to my house, which was pretty cool.

We sat down for a while, just talked.

That's sick.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

You know, but I think that for me, it's just about trying to get my mental right.

And that's why I'm trying to, you know, I go to all the fever games.

I try to just figure out things to do to keep my mind off things.

I got,

you know, a great village, a great support system in my family and my friends.

And, you know, just doing everything I can.

Because I think when I'm alone, which isn't a ton, when I'm alone, I sit there and I think about everything that's happened.

And it's kind of like, God, you know, that sucks.

Yeah, you know,

it genuinely sucks.

And like,

I'm going to fight like hell to get back and hopefully have this opportunity to win a championship again.

But, you know, that's not guaranteed.

And, you know, so I think that that feeling definitely sits with me sometimes and that sucks.

But, you know, I can't really control the past.

I can't control what's to happen in the future.

All I can do is just attack this rehab the best I can and you know, figure it out that way.

Feels like the right mindset.

That was a pretty phenomenal answer.

And shout out to your team.

Yeah, shout out to the team.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, great people.

Great people.

Great people.

Obviously, your lady, Jade, side by side with you through this entire thing.

Shout out to her.

Your dad and mom, of course.

More specifically, your dad, actually, side by side with you here in the Thunderdome.

And I'll tell you what, the electricity that that man brings is

warranted of headlines.

He is the man.

Warranted of headlines don't know if it necessarily needs the headlines.

Yeah, I've been trying just so the world knows.

Okay.

I have been attempting to get John Halliburton on a microphone.

Sure.

Because John Halliburton is fucking hysterical.

This guy is a lightning rod.

Now, the whole world learned of Papa Halliburton.

Whenever he and a Greek freak had a little bit of an altercation.

Okay.

Now, John Halliburton says,

Yeah.

John Halliburton says, I didn't even see you on it.

I was celebrating the moment.

He was locked in.

My boy, we just had a great win.

Tyrese was running the opposite direction to go jump up on the thing, if you do recall.

John Halliburton, who is so beloved by the city of Indianapolis and the people in Gainbridge, just goes on to the court with a flag to celebrate.

And the people let him on because he's so, he's, yeah, you're allowed to do that.

That's his right.

You're allowed to do that.

You are electrifying here.

You are like a part of our community.

He says his side of the story is he was so locked into the moment, he didn't even see Giannis.

He was just kind of viewing there.

Giannis is so happy.

And then obviously that whole thing happens.

And him back in the building, when he came back in the building, when he was up in that suite.

What a moment.

Good for him.

He loves you, man.

Like he is a super supportive, phenomenal father.

I think is how I would view it all.

For you, how was that entire process?

That had to be pretty interesting to deal with, especially now that I know your dad a little bit better.

Like that had to be an awesome, but also hilarious and absurd thing to kind of go through with the league, the team, and your dad, and the NBA playoffs all at the same time.

Yeah, yeah, that was definitely,

you know, it's definitely unfortunate that that happened, you know, and he feels bad about it and he's apologized many times for it.

And, you know, for me, I wanted to be on the right side of things.

And I understand that, you know, he shouldn't have done that.

So right away, I have to go in the media and say that my dad is wrong, which he was, but people know,

people who are in my position, to have to go in front of the world and say, hey, my dad is wrong.

That's not easy to do, right?

And so I go out there, I say it.

So now I'm like, all right, it's done.

I said it.

Let's move on.

Everybody move on.

So then I get up for breakfast in the morning.

I turn on the television and people are up there.

This man should never come to a basketball game ever again.

Like, what?

Like, have we lost our minds?

Lifetime music.

Yeah, people, you know, it got dragged.

It got dragged.

And so for me, it wasn't something that I wanted to keep the conversation around, right?

We were moving on.

Next series, let's keep it.

And you know how sports media is sometimes, especially with a team like us, the Pacers.

Anything that we could do to not talk about basketball.

Let's figure out a way.

So we don't have to talk about the fact that the Pacers won the series.

And hey, they're a good basketball team.

Nah.

John Halliburton should never touch the court again.

That's a hilarious angle for you to be like, oh, of course, we don't want to talk about what we just did.

And we just ran a team off the court again.

And just like we did last series.

And Coach Carlisle has all the chess pieces.

And we're all moving perfectly.

We're playing phenomenal basketball right now.

And you, if you would have been paying attention since the all-star break, we've been doing this.

Like, this is kind of how this whole thing has gone.

Us and OKC have been the two best teams in the NBA, Cleveland as well.

But obviously, that was early, early exit for them against you guys.

It's like, I appreciate the fact that you all were watching being like, how come they won't just talk about us just being good at basketball?

Like, this is the NBA.

You took a lot of verbal abuse from sports media.

We try to go to bat as much as we could for you, but it comes with the position you're in.

You understand that.

You absolutely understand that.

So I appreciate you guys doing that.

I appreciate you guys.

Well,

you are actual friend of Program.

All right, God.

And we're very thankful you're in our city.

Like very thankful that you're in this state.

You represent the city and stay well.

And the Pacers have now gone to a place that I didn't get a chance to experience in Indianapolis.

I don't think a lot of people have in a long, long time.

What was it?

How many days?

It was a ridiculous amount of days since the last finals game was 2000.

In Indiana or whatever.

So it's like, you've brought a lot of happiness to this place, but you've also represented the city very well.

So I'm your biggest fan.

I think you're a superstar, man.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I think you're maybe a superstar.

Don't look now.

D-butt has a question for me.

Yeah, what was, obviously, that was a big part of the conversation.

conversation, the superstar part of it, but I think bigger than that for you, especially being such a team player, what was it like being on the biggest stage in basketball, making it to the finals, pretty dominant run, in my opinion, to get to the NBA Finals, going up against a great team in OKC.

But what was that like?

I know you weren't as active on social media, but did you feel like more pressure or a bigger light?

Like, what was that stage like for you?

Well, I definitely think it's easy to feel to feel that, you know, because everything is bigger.

Like, you have to, instead of flying in the night before the game and just treating it like a game, we have to fly in two days before.

We have to have practice so that media can be in there for 30 minutes.

We have to do extensive media and all those different things.

So I think that the league and the world does a great job of already making it such a big event that there's no need for us as players to put more pressure on it.

Now, obviously, we understand it's the NBA Finals.

You know what I mean?

Like, I don't think there needs to be any more pressure than that.

But yeah, you definitely felt it.

And I think game three coming back here was like the craziest home environment I've ever played in.

And honestly, game seven in OKC, probably the craziest road environment I've ever played in, right?

So you felt that and you felt the weight of those games.

And I think for them as a franchise, us as a franchise, you know, both whoever was going to win the series, it was going to be our first NBA championship.

So I think that all the fans got behind it.

So it was really cool to see, you know, kind of two.

smaller markets be in that in that situation.

And I think all our fans, our fans and their fans rallied behind our teams.

And I think that just made it a lot of fun.

It was a wonderful ratings for the finals as a whole were up 10%, which is huge.

Shane Gillis said that everybody that was sitting around SGA at the Espes was in foul trouble.

Now, that is obviously a joke because that is the conversation about the finals and basically the entire playoff series.

He was unbelievable to watch.

I actually got a chance to talk to him in the hotel in LA.

I come, Don Oliver,

pop out.

He's right there to the left behind somebody.

And I saw him.

And I go,

literally stare at him for like five seconds, dead stare.

He had feel so awkward.

I think he knew who I was.

I'm not 100% sure.

And I said,

could you have fucking missed?

That would have been cool.

And then I just walked away.

I don't think he ever missed.

You said it to Jalen Williams in the elevator as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I don't think they missed.

Did you guys feel that whenever you were playing again?

Because they were the best defense.

in the NBA is what everybody said.

Coming in, they are the best defense in the NBA, the best defense in the NBA.

You guys had the most amount of series, I don't know, possessions, what the fuck you guys call it?

Possessions?

Yeah, that's what they call it football too.

Yeah, but that's different.

I didn't know if you guys are able to

call it a possession.

Okay, you guys had the most amount of possessions.

They had the best defense.

That was the conversation.

Then quickly watching, it's like, this guy never misses.

This SGA guy never misses.

And then the entire team kind of caught on to that.

They were kind of playing the same exact way.

At that level, I assume to make it to the finals, you have to have an absurd offense.

Did you expect them to be as good offensively as they were?

And is SGA the best point-getter right now on earth?

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, we definitely expected that.

They're the best team in the NBA.

They were the best team in the all year.

Yeah, but it was the defense.

Remember, all they were saying is like defense, defense, defense.

Yeah, but Shay's the MVP for a reason.

So you got, I mean,

what does he do?

Does he do things that are different or is it just like he just takes care of the...

Well, I think that from like,

he gets paint touches at an elite level,

does a great job of using like,

he doesn't come across stature-wise as he's not like this big, bulky guy, but he does a great job.

He gets to his spots, can score at all three levels.

Like, he's MVP for a reason.

I mean, the season he put together, you know, one of the greatest seasons in NBA history.

On a contract year.

Yeah, fire.

I mean, that is a beast.

Good for him.

That'll tell stories about what he did last year.

And then he dressed like Frank Lucas suit

at that damn SB.

That shit was clean.

So clean.

That was clean.

Hands in the coat, too, while walking in, middle of summer.

Coolest dude in the room.

Never seen it.

Connor has a question for you, Tyrese.

Yeah, Tyrese.

First of all, too, you probably didn't see it because you're not on social media as much.

And like we've talked about how you're our guy, watching throughout the playoffs, kind of the world experience, the Hall Burn show is sweet.

Because you had a buzzer beater every series, and early it's like, okay, it's round one.

Not as many people care.

Then the Cavs series happens.

Sick because they're the one seed.

Everything's happening.

Then the Garden choke happens.

Well, the Cavs, too.

I mean, Cavs, yeah.

You had the big ball dancing.

Then you had the choke in the garden game one.

Then you had the buzzer beater in the final.

So like, as a fan of yours not the pacers but a fan of yours watching pacers are a good team pacers are a great team and they were

terrible yeah yeah but watching you know everyone in the world realize you were like that guy was sweet to watch so i hope i hope you felt that at some point during this terrible hell yeah terrible you got your flowers yeah you got a lot of fire people do love you um with that being said mileston doesn't love you uh pascal siakum uh has was great all you know playoffs for you guys and that was kind of the con the whole reason the superstar thing was happening was because pascal Siakam, you know, was doing so much and playing so well.

Great to have him here next year.

That's huge.

Not having Miles Turner, kind of a bummer.

This will be the first time, you know, it's in what, 10, 11 years, he won't be playing for the Pacers.

How has that kind of been this offseason, watching the moves?

Miles goes to the Milwaukee.

You know, obviously, like I said, not a Pacers fan, but the Pacers fans I do know aren't big fans of Milwaukee.

There's kind of that little bit of, there's a beef there, you know, obviously we've all seen it the last few years.

And then kind of him leaving.

How is that kind of sitting with the entire pacers team yeah i mean uh obviously since i've gotten here and just for the last whatever 10 years miles name has been synonymous with our organization and he's done a lot here and um i think that people have really taken a liking to miles and he's done some great things been a part of some great groups but you know i think at the end of the day it is a business he's got to do you know what's best for him and wish him the best moving forward.

I mean, my focus is now on the guys that we have here and getting better here.

But yeah, wish him the best, you know, moving forward.

He's done a lot for the Indianapolis indianapolis community he's been here a long time with the pacers for a long time obviously ushered in this new era the pacers to have a lot of success i thought he gave a great speech what was that uh maybe

some conference miles gave a great speech i thought it was fantastic the way the entire contract negotiation thing has been talked about publicly is something along the lines of like they offered he found another offer

didn't offer it up for the Pacers to match it took the deal before that whatever the case it's like miles was great here for 10 years We appreciate him in his service.

Got him out of Texas.

There was a lot of ups and downs with the Pacers.

Ended getting to the finals, and now he's making $20 plus million dollars in his 11th year, whatever it is.

It's like, congrats to Miles.

But everything he says, you know, they're getting clipped and saying, did you hear him say,

didn't feel that good?

Did you hear him say, Peep, some people are going to be happy?

It's fascinating when you get to the top, man.

People are going to pick apart everything.

That's where you guys are.

And you're not even there for a year.

Have you thought about that?

How are you going to spend a year?

You said it earlier.

You said, now that I'm not, everybody's in offseason, it hasn't really been the weight of everything.

Next year, pretty similar team, right?

Am I wrong?

And they're pretty similar team.

Pascal's back.

Yep.

TJ's back.

Call up.

Call up Furfe.

Yeah, Furfe.

Crazy.

Crazy.

That was wild.

Poor guy, the other guy.

Oh, man.

Poor guy.

It's crazy.

The picture's crazy.

Yeah, the picture.

Yeah, man.

That's poor.

That's Summerlee, too.

He doesn't know fully what the life is.

He doesn't know Furfe is first team all NBA next year.

Yeah, he had milk-checked real quick.

No chance this is going to happen.

And then Furfe was like, actually,

let me go for that.

Him, Undertaker in his eyes.

That was unbelievable.

Under his armpit.

Yeah, that was, I felt bad for that guy.

Me too.

But, hey, when you're trying to block something, when you live in a pain, every once in a while, you're going to get done.

That is going to happen.

Great relationships, I assume,

it's not going to be like a brand new team.

What are you going to be able to do?

Have you even talked about what you're going to be able to do with the team next year?

How it's going to go?

What's the season look like?

Because I don't know if it's pretty normal in your sport, it seems like.

Yeah, he's going to miss the entire season next year.

They said like the next day.

I'm like, holy shit, the whole season?

They're like, start doing the math when everything starts here.

You're going to miss the whole season.

Have you started putting together a plan, like how to handle season, or are you guys just kind of focused?

You said today-driven, but is there a long-term plan on how this whole thing works and kind of how it's going to go for you if all works out to schedule?

Yeah, I mean, I haven't really even thought about what the season will call for.

I mean, I probably won't be traveling as much early in the year, you know,

depending on the stage of rehab I'm in, but I still want to be around the guy as much as possible.

I think I want to take this time to just keep growing my mind for the game, you know, be around Coach Carlisle, sitting on coaches' meetings, all the seeing what

Pritchard, seeing what he's looking for.

Yeah, just

talking to those guys and helping at the same time, I feel like I have a pretty decent basketball mind myself.

So just trying to help the guys is

best way I can.

I'm going to be on the bench once I can walk, you know, standing up, celebrating, cheering for the guys.

So, yeah,

I'll still be, you know, there for the majority of things.

They put you up in that suite that you kind of

taking ownership up for the fever game.

What's the timeline for that, for you to get back on your feet, for you to ditch the scooter and be able to, you know, be weight-bearing on that foot?

Yeah, well, today is four weeks after surgery.

So

I think at...

Oh, yeah, yesterday.

Sorry.

So I think.

Sorry, you just told me that two minutes ago.

Yeah, my fault.

So I just started.

Hey, don't worry.

You just worry about today.

Every day, you just worry about it.

Yeah, don't worry about anything.

Yesterday, I I just started putting 50% body weight with crutches.

So by about like seven, eight weeks, I should be walking in a boot, no scooter.

So yeah, I can't wait for that moment.

You know, you take for granted the little things.

That's you.

You know what I mean?

Like going to the kitchen counter to grab breakfast and you grab your orange juice all at one time.

But now it's like, I got to go one time to get the plate, one time to get the orange juice.

Ah, I forgot the syrup.

One time to go get the syrup.

Fork.

Forgot a fork.

Got to go back and get the fork.

Especially Supermax deal new house.

You're getting miles on those wheels.

Yeah, definitely.

That's a big kitchen.

Need a gas station.

That's a big, good horror floor, though.

I think the bar.

Or maybe it's towel.

How are you on that rig?

You feel pretty good?

I feel like I'm pretty good.

I probably had two near falls.

Haven't fell yet, so that's a plus.

It's easy to fall.

I saw you rolling around the WNBA All-Star game.

You look real comfy.

Yeah, I felt good.

Real kick push.

Felt good.

Felt good.

Can't walk, so that's mine.

I will tell you, though, after I got hurt, I was on the ground.

I was like, let me walk.

Kobe walked.

I'm walking.

So when I got up and went to take a step, there was no.

Help me, help me, help me.

Yeah, there was no chance.

I'm not doing it.

I was like, don't touch me.

I'm going to walk.

And when I went to move my leg, it's like dead weight on the end of the end of your leg.

So it's like the fact that Kobe shot a free throw and walked off is unbelievable.

That's that mamba mentality.

It's unbelievable.

Yeah, there's a book, a movie, a whole thing.

And certain guys have, you know, walked off.

When I went to take a step, that's when the guys threw the towel over me because my face was just like

I couldn't believe what was actually happening in the moment I mean I obviously not great the moment in the situation but the thought of you running through your head what will Kobe do Kobe did actually walk off this thing don't touch me

touch me

there's no chance help me now oh man yeah it was sad if you you want to everybody that was watching Just,

I don't know what all the different ruined the game heart drop, stomach sickness, I mean, you name it, the whole thing as it was happening.

So bummed out.

Now had leaded half.

Yeah.

It's like, hold the phone.

This one's for Tyrese.

This one's going to be a good one.

And then obviously what happened was Oklahoma City did what Oklahoma City does.

Of course, in the second half, and it becomes what it is.

But we were all sick, dude.

Everybody still am.

That's not how it's supposed to go.

No, it's not.

Especially when you're going to score 60 points in a game seven.

It might have been more than that.

Yeah.

The hoop was looking this big.

Yeah.

Because you said you were feeling healthy, didn't feel any pain.

Big hoop that day.

It was huge.

Hoop.

Game seven.

I was excited.

It was going to be fun.

fun ty has a question for you tyrese uh we talked a lot about like the media portion of it and obviously you took a lot of heat um did anyone come up to you like post finals and i mean like before this obviously and talk about you being the most overrated player and just being like hey that was that's complete bullshit like i don't know how that got out because anytime we talk to an athlete it's like

The talking heads can say whatever they want, but if you have the respect from your peers, like that's all that matters.

And then obviously you go on that run in the playoffs and have all those game winners.

And it's like, yeah, this guy's a bona fide superstar.

Did anyone say anything to you about that?

And how did you kind of just, I mean, obviously you're not too worried about that because whatever, the proof's in the pudding with what I'm doing on the court.

But like, what was that whole situation like as that was continued to be talked about while you were going on like a generational run in the playoffs?

I think it came out towards the end of the season.

I think it was.

It was pretty funny.

Like all my boys just joking with me about it, like texting me all the time, just talking shit and i've just i've come to be the guy who just used everything as fuel so that was just like the fun within it and i think as the playoffs were going on you know that was more opportunities for you know my teammates to you know talk crazy to people and and and people who support me so i think that that was a great narrative that got added to what we were doing i think that just added more fuel to the fire as a group And I think the cool part about our group is I think that everybody kind of received that as like an indictment on them as well.

Like my teammates, guys around me like, okay, well, if you think that guy is overrated and he's like one of our guys, what do you feel about us?

You know, I think as collectively, we all kind of shared that sentiment and felt that way.

So

that was another thing for us to gather around with.

So I think it's pretty cool.

I have not spoken about it or looked at or thought about it since, but I wonder who's going to be the guy.

voted on it next year.

Maybe it'll still be me.

Maybe I'll be in a boot and still get voted number one.

That'd be cool.

That'd be cool.

I mean, you gotta.

Yeah, I wonder how you would be able to be the most overrated guy while in a boot.

Oh,

he's so good.

That might as hell.

Why is he playing?

Yeah, you're right.

He's got one Achilles.

Guy can't even dribble a ball and stand up right now.

Don't want to hear it.

When will you shoot through this entire process?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

As soon as I get back on the court, I'm back on the court.

I don't know when that'll be, but.

Yeah, but like...

So football-wise, if guys have lower bodies, they're usually working out around it.

Oh, yeah, I started lifting two weeks ago, upper body.

First time?

I'm in the hoodie.

You can't tell.

I'm in a hoodie.

You can't tell.

But I'm jacked under this hoodie.

Really?

Yep.

Bulking season.

Are you shooting too or no?

No, no, no, no.

No.

So you want to sit down and I probably touched a basketball, like felt one in my hands, probably like two times since the game was over.

Well, welcome to three.

Boy, do I got good news for you?

Look at that.

I feel just like it used to.

Yeah, my hands, my hands still work.

I don't know if that is an actual ball or not.

We might have bought that from DoorDash or something like that.

Shoot it.

How's the Puma deal going?

Puma deal is going great.

We debuted the shoe in the finals, hit a game winner, first game in them.

Pretty good.

Yeah.

That was exciting.

Obviously this season I won't be able to

wear them on the court a ton, but there's some other guys with Puma, so I'm excited for them to be wearing them.

I'll wear them on the sideline.

I'm sure you guys will all get sent a pair.

I'm excited about it.

Maybe a casual shoe since you're not playing.

Yeah, loafer, if you will, or like a...

Maybe use...

The Halley One as your casual shoe.

Who knows?

Well, you shouldn't be using the Halley Ones as your grass cutters.

i mean i gotta mow the lawn on a saturday yeah you need to send us oh they can you buy them

do it it's your property at that point so yeah but i'm just saying i don't want to disrespect the hally ones maybe we get that maybe you got a maybe you got a highly one for cutting the grass you got a highly one for doing the show and you got a highly one for being on the court maybe some halley shelto halley canvas halley shelto shelto just make the eclipses and put a puma through now we're talking that's what you need to do you love the eclipses bro everybody does and they stop making them i have no idea why i've reached out to the Jordan people saying you need to keep making these.

What are we doing?

That's your problem.

Maybe you just need to get some Puma suedes.

You told me you like the Suedes.

I don't mind the Suedes, but not the Eclipses.

You guys just need to take the Eclipses and just put the Puma on there.

I got some other kicks we can get you to try out and see if you like.

I went through a Puma run.

I think the whole world went through a Puma run there.

I respect the shoe game, what they have going on.

The little racing ones, though.

It went fast tense.

Huh?

Went as fast tense.

Yeah, but everything's coming back.

There we go.

It's coming back.

Especially if you're pushing.

If you're pushing it up, I'll be back.

Look, I'm wearing them right now.

Yeah, those look good.

They are clean.

Those look good.

They're comfy.

They are comfy.

And I got a couple blisters around my shit, too, from walking 18 holes.

And these shoes feel great.

They look good.

They look good on your feet.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

My friend, these are my friend's shoes.

Yeah, that's tough.

The new Tatums, though.

What's that?

Said the new Tatums.

We pulled them up.

Those shoes are fantastic as well.

I have nothing bad to say about Jason Tatum.

It's my God.

I love him.

Are you guys talking?

Yeah, we've been talking, of course.

We're going through the same thing.

What are your hobbies right now?

You're knowing every WNBA event.

Every WNBA event.

You have that suite.

We saw that.

You're playing games.

You're playing video games at

the WWE Column.

How's that going?

It's going good.

Me and my little brother are bringing back our Twitch and our YouTube soon.

Let's go.

Sorry about that.

The Halley Bros?

Halley Bros.

Yeah.

Because, you know, I was fighting the Halley name for so long.

I was like, don't call me that.

Don't like it.

Why?

I don't know.

Because

I got to NBA and they started calling me that.

I was like, I've never been called that.

I don't like that.

You've never been called that?

No.

What's wrong with Wisconsin?

Then I got to Sacramento.

I honestly will give the people of Sacramento the credit for that.

Because, you know, they say, they say like, hella a lot.

And then I think they just liked Hallie and it was close to Hella.

And they started using Hallie.

And I was like, I tweeted, like, please don't call me that.

And then I embraced it.

That works.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Telling people not to be soccer.

Yeah, that didn't work at all.

That didn't work at all.

And then when we were naming my shoe, they were like, you want to call it the Tyrese one, the Reese one, the Ty one.

And I was like, listen, it doesn't matter what we call it.

They're going to call them the Hallie.

So let's just roll with it.

So now I'm just, I'm cool with Hallie.

That's a good executive decision.

No, you grew up in Wisconsin?

Yeah.

Not a single person said, what up, Hallie?

No.

Name's Halliburton?

No.

In Wisconsin these days, they say many different things to me.

Not.

How do you mean?

Not positive.

What type of things?

What type of things?

Not anything, not very positive things.

What do you mean?

They say, like, your cheese isn't good?

No.

Oh, because they're both.

No, they wouldn't say that.

They won't let it broke over anymore.

It's mostly the people in Wisconsin who have bad things to say to me.

Yeah, but those aren't your people, anyways, right?

Because don't you do like a weekly haliband thing with

all your fans?

Oh, what?

The haliban.

Band.

It's a band.

Like, there's a guitar player.

Yeah, yeah.

And a drummer, yeah.

Haliband.

Like, we're halibanding together.

They call them like they're.

That's what you meant, right?

Yeah, the halibanners.

Yeah.

Like they're all

team, yeah.

Banders.

They're all talking, yeah.

Like the commanders, the halibanders.

Yeah, like a band.

I haven't seen that now.

Yeah, and there's a drummer in the back.

Yeah.

The haliband.

The band.

I love live instruments.

Love live music.

Do you play music?

No.

Not at all.

Maybe I'll pick it up.

You know, I did buy a DJ turn.

I bought

a turntable.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to learn how to do that during my rehab.

I used used to get Diplo.

You play some of that EDM.

What'd you think of the WNBA?

Stud Buds weren't rocking with that.

Stud bugs were on.

Please do a little boom-boom in this thing.

Turn this off.

WNBA weekend was awesome.

We came out here and said that because it was in our city and we got a chance to see it.

And it seems like every player really enjoyed their time in Indianapolis.

I would say the WNBA appeared to have the most fun out of all the

all-stars, out of all the all-star players.

The MLB, All-Stars,

congratulations.

You're being recognized as one of the greats of the game.

Now you've got to to work for four straight days here that's what the mlb is i mean that is that is

that is not a lot of rest don't get a vacation after those four days no you're right back you're starting on thursday so like the the mlb one is wild watching their schedule and we're very thankful for them doing that and the dong off that they had both in the game and the home run derby were fantastic the nba all-star break you guys get like a week right in the kind of uh it's like a week Something like that, yeah.

I think, yeah, because we go.

How are you guys going to fix the all-star thing?

Are you going to have the stud buds just stream the entire week?

Fixed the all-star thing.

What does that mean?

They fixed it.

They got the USA World.

No.

Oh, yeah, that's going to be good.

You guys are going to care, right?

No.

You don't care?

Yeah, they don't care.

USA.

USA.

USA.

You don't care?

I love this country.

I love America.

I competed in the Olympics.

I was there.

You were.

USA cross-chess.

Yeah, gold medal.

Yeah.

Always will.

I don't care about those games.

Okay.

A lot.

I don't know what you're saying right now.

Tell the truth.

I think he's telling a hell of a lot.

I don't think it matters because we're going to roll out Cooper Flag and all the rookies and be like, hey, does it matter?

I'm not playing.

I won't be in the game.

Oh, that's right.

You're out.

No matter what.

Gonna need you more than ever.

Yeah, we need your coach.

I wish the best for the USA team.

Do you think we could potentially bring your dad out here to maybe win some people some money, maybe a donation or something?

Let's do it.

Love that.

Wait, wait, how's he going to do that?

Well, he's going to come out right here, and I'm going to have this microphone, and I'm going to go down there and talk to him.

John, John, if you can make your way

into the Thunderdome, please, sir.

Might be eating the mashed potatoes.

We order him a bucket of mashed potatoes.

He cleaned those.

He's probably sitting on his phone right now.

Drink it with a straw.

What is Bill wearing?

I'm assuming your dad's talking to the president or something, honestly, during this.

You think so?

Yeah.

President Wood?

President of Patuma.

Oh, he's watching on

it for sure.

They're delayed.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're delayed 35, 40 seconds in there.

Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado,

a man who certainly caused a little bit of chaos a man who is synonymous with being an electric factory ladies and gentlemen John Howber

yes yes this is

prozone

John how you doing

which butter which putter do you want

I'll let you select it which camera do we have here we have this one right here

John how you doing thank you for coming around that camera right up there on top of that brick thing.

Do you have anything to say to the world?

Yeah, here I go.

That's right.

Here he go.

Come on, John.

Here he go.

Here I go.

Here he go.

Here, John.

Now,

I will say the way this came about is there was quite a loud yell happening from this putting green earlier today when we were all sitting in the other room over there.

That yell came from one John Halliburton.

He was burying putts.

So I said, would you be willing to do this for maybe some money for some people or maybe a charity?

And I said, if you were to make it, it would be abnormal.

A lot of people miss these things.

Oh, yeah.

He said, I don't miss.

I don't miss.

John, do you want to roll this way?

Do you want to putt this way?

Which way do you want to go?

I'm coming down.

Okay, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, we'll do this.

This is where he was earlier.

We'll give you six balls here.

Six balls.

You'll have to make three of them.

Ah, three?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He made

three.

Three is a lot.

Three is a lot.

Three is a lot.

Yeah, he made three in a row earlier.

He said that he's been practicing.

Hold on, John.

Hold on.

I was going to say.

John,

are you a golfer?

Not at all.

Not at all.

Are you a putt-putt guy, though?

I can do that.

Okay, so you'll go on to a nice putt-putt date, maybe have a good night, maybe a little ice cream, maybe a little drinks, bury some putts, talk some shit to the kids.

Forget about the drink, forget about talking all the smoke to the kids, but the ice cream I can do.

Oh, yeah, you've never drank, never smoked, never swore.

Nope, not at all.

And if I'm telling the story accurately, whenever you and I chatted about the entire scene, whenever it was said that you cussed or cursed, that was the one that you were most upset about, right?

Yes, because I don't do that.

And to tell people that I did something like that, no, I'm not with that.

Heat of the moment, a lot of noise, though.

Everybody could have been confused, but I do appreciate and respect the fact that you were like, I didn't swear.

I don't swear.

I've never sworn.

But I can talk shit better than you.

Or I can do that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, we know you can.

Tyrese, anything to say to your dad here before he tries to win?

30 people $500

and a $10,000 donation to a charity of your choice, Tyrese.

Maybe Achilles for Good, whatever the case.

We will figure that out.

So this is $25,000.

The Achilles factory.

We'll donate to a charity.

We'll donate to a charity.

$25,000 here.

30 people, $500.

That's $15,000 going to somebody.

And then $10,000 donation is $25,000 here, John.

You think that's putting pressure on me on something?

A little bit of heat, John.

Nah.

Never felt it.

How were the mashed potatoes?

The mashed potatoes was great.

Oh, yeah.

You got to have those.

Those good, they stick to your bones.

Amen.

And every restaurant you go to, it doesn't matter if it's a five-star steakhouse or an Applebee's, you're ordering dino nugs and mashed potatoes.

No, mashed potatoes.

What about the dinosaur nuggets?

They can go, you know.

I'll take the mashed potatoes.

Boom.

Nothing else.

The mashed potato would be my whole meal.

I saw it.

Are you going to stand on the green or are you going to go off?

It doesn't matter.

Put your feet on the green stand.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

Put your feet on the green.

Oh, my God.

The ball's stuck.

The The ball's stopped.

Ball stop.

Yo, put your feet on the green.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, he's coaching you up.

He's coaching you up.

I'm trying to help him.

Do you really want to win people money?

Somebody who ain't never played this game before, he coaching me up.

Here we go.

Pipe daddy said.

That's a good one.

You got to make two out of these six.

We're going in this hole or the little hole right there.

Which one are we doing?

That's not a hole.

It would be either two of these.

Or bite there.

Okay.

We're going these two.

The left one?

Yeah, here we go.

All right.

Ladies and gentlemen, first putt.

All he has to do is go two of six here.

Not an avid golfer, but a putt-putt king.

Here we go.

No chance.

I like the over 20.

Oh, boy, that was bad.

All right.

That was not his best effort.

That was not his best effort, John.

Don't start.

Don't start.

Don't start.

You hit the ground.

You need some water?

You need some more hydrogen.

There's a magnet up on the here.

There's a magnet on the ball from going down on the end.

You think there was bad?

Now, hold on.

Excuse me.

I will say, maybe there is a chance that when you got your feet back on this wood again,

you got so jacked up that you know the.

We want to stay off of that.

We want to stay off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, not at all.

Excuses and puck.

No, he hasn't been on the wood in a while.

They banned him from the wood.

That's right.

That's right.

They banned me.

So, okay.

So we're going to stay off of that.

Yeah.

Next top.

Next.

Next, next.

Could say he was.

Next top.

Next topic.

Next topic.

Next top.

You're very sorry that that happened.

Next top.

Next topic.

Next topic

Next top, man.

You got two.

I mean, the honesty is fucking fun.

Next topic, bagger.

Oh, shh.

Find the pace.

Hit a house.

Look at an aggressive line.

Find the pace.

I can't bet it down on a score.

Stinking golf.

You need that butter.

Relax.

Relax.

I'm not worried about it.

I'm just telling you, there's a lot of noise over there, Joe.

It's bad right now.

Let's go.

Okay, yeah.

Here we go.

Geez,

there it is.

Hit the ball.

We might need to get him the mallet pub.

Oh, my God.

That was the worst pup we've ever had.

I got four.

I got three, two, three.

Three, three, three, three.

That was horrible.

That was so bad.

You're not even getting close.

He's not comfortable with the lab fight.

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Be careful, man.

Be careful.

Why?

Be careful over there.

Don't have to be.

I have to stumble over that way.

Be careful.

Tiger Hood.

Hey,

are you scared of somebody about Connor's size?

Man, he better wrap this up over there.

Hey, man.

I mean, I'm a little nervous about you.

I'm not a nervous, boy.

Better be nervous.

Saw you hitting the heavy bag earlier.

Giannis would have have had a cumin.

All right.

Okay, let's

do it.

Next up.

Next up.

Hey, leave that man alone.

I'm not messing with that man.

Leave that man alone.

Heavy hair.

Because he's starting something over here.

Yeah, that's what he does.

Hold on, hold on.

That hole, right, is where we're aiming?

Okay, coming in.

All right.

Come on.

Bucket.

Beep.

Good pace.

Never a doubt.

Okay, I'll totally relax.

Everybody needs to relax.

If he goes one of two here, we will will give 30 people $500.

This is so much pressure.

All right, hey, hey, hey, hey, let's remember what's all in the line here.

$15,000 in giveaways to the fine people on X.

500 installments.

So how much we got right there?

$10,000 donation to a charity of the Halliburton's choice.

All you got to do is put that ball into that hole right over there, which you've done one time out of five.

How do you feel going in?

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Really?

Do you have to say it like that?

That's just stats.

That's the facts.

You're one.

Hey.

These are facts.

You're one out of the last two.

Hey, did you hear what he said?

He'd say what?

These are facts.

Yeah.

Those are facts.

Yeah, what's the fact going to be about this one?

Okay, all right.

It's going in.

Boom.

Too much pressure.

Make sure he knows it's not national television.

Get him a spoonful of master television.

Boy, do you want master television?

Master hits this.

They're in here.

All right, all right, Sean.

If this goes in, 30 people, $500.

Get in there.

Miss.

Oh, no.

Damn it.

That's all right.

We'll still donate $10,000.

Okay, good.

Good.

Any final things to say about your boy and how proud you are of everything he's done and what he's gone through?

I am very proud of my son.

And I want the world to know that I love my child.

You're a great father.

Very passionate father.

We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

Good to see you, dude.

The way you eat is wild.

Yeah, are you Irish?

Got some Irish in you?

I'm out of here.

Yeah, yeah, smart, smart, smart.

Yeah, go to the back.

Go to the back.

Go to the back.

All right, here we go.

Tough.

There's a lot of pressure.

That was a tough scene there.

Got the clutch gene from mom.

Jeez.

I had no idea what he's doing.

I've never seen.

Yeah, that was rude.

You didn't deserve that, John.

Yep, yep.

Pudding's tough.

As soon as y'allness comes up, next subject, next subject.

Next subject.

I know you're very sorry.

Do not gas him up.

He is awesome.

It's the last thing he needs.

You think that's where your moxie comes from, huh?

I'd assume they're from John Halbert.

Sure.

Because you got the Moxie.

yeah you can feel it when you do this i don't know if we talked about it we've got to have a band over there the drummer excuse me the uh

the when you do this in madison square garden and when you do the big ball dance in cleveland that's something you've always done like since you're a kid and do you think it all goes back to you being a wrestling fan Yeah,

I've always been the guy who wants to, you know, get a nice selly out there.

And I think, yeah, I think wrestling has a big, a big part to do it with a lot of it, actually, honestly.

Yes, I agree.

As somebody who is a die-hard wrestling fan growing up, I think you can tell people that are wrestling fans or not.

And I think when you're out there, you understand the show.

Yep.

That's why you do the no-look passes and ha ha ha, that type of shit.

I appreciate it.

I respect the hell out of it.

Have you always been that way, though?

Flashy guy?

For sure, my whole life.

Yeah.

At all times.

Always a good shooter?

Got better around like middle school.

Started to shoot the ball better.

Yeah.

Well, obviously, middle school is always.

Yeah.

In third grade, his kid couldn't shoot.

So that's what they used to say.

Fourth grade, this guy sucked at shooting.

Wisconsin wouldn't even offer the guy.

What?

True story.

No offer.

Neither did who else?

Who was the guy?

Cal.

Cal, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, Kentucky.

Yeah, I remember that moment.

Yeah.

Well, Kyle went on and had a great career.

Got coached at the right place.

Went to the right guy.

That's the whole thing is what Cal said in that.

Your shooting form is interesting, though.

Yeah.

Right, you would say?

Yeah.

But allegedly the story is

they told people not to change your shooting form.

Is that because you've been like a prolific shooter your entire, like high school, you were known as prolific shooter.

Yeah.

college known as prolific shooter now you have the men's three-point shooting contest record for one round has it always been that way prolific shooting yeah I feel like I've been able to shoot the ball for at a high level for a long time and if I wasn't able to then I feel like somebody would have been able to change it but I feel like most of the time when people try to change my form when it's happened in the past, then we do a couple workouts, then I think they see that I can shoot the ball well.

And your free throw run, what did you have post all-star break?

You missed like two free throws or something?

Yeah.

What was the

you told us?

It it was that and then like in clutch time you were i think 12 of 13 or 11 of 12 from the field as well and then when we played 33 in here foxy and i watched you hit 20 straight threes whenever we were about to beat you it's like we did almost lose yeah and that would have been tough that would have been tough for you that would have been tough that would have been i was i had a rough start to the season what can i say okay so have you thought back about that at all no not really spaceships don't come equipped with rear view mirrors they dip is that what you're saying we don't need to think about the first half of the season i think uh

if there was any time to reflect on it, it would probably be, you know, in this time, but I haven't really thought too much on it, to be honest.

Yeah, because the way it ended, what have you done for me lately?

A ball.

Yeah, went to the finals.

That's what we do.

So it was fun to watch your team, man.

It's been cool to get to know you.

Thank you for inviting me to come to the WNBA All-Star Superstar Contest.

Skills Challenge.

There it is.

How is that?

Only an hour and 10 minutes.

It was such a short event.

Such a short.

Could we not add?

We thought about this yesterday.

We started doing some rain skills.

What do you want to add?

Knockout?

No.

$500,000 prize?

Three-man wave?

No.

I actually think 33 would be pretty far.

33 would be a great game, but it takes a little bit, you know, because there's teams of two.

But, like, you don't think half-court knockout with a $250,000.

What?

Yeah.

Have you ever played half-court knockout on a real basketball?

I mean, it's too bad.

You have a great setup here.

Half-court?

Yeah, you got to get to the bottom.

The ball is going to go everywhere, and people are going to have to chase it.

Get rebounding.

We're playing a sport.

You said rebounders and knockout?

I mean, look, I'm trying to help the problems that you're bringing up.

Yeah, we're getting answerable.

You're a problem guy.

We're an answer guy.

I don't think it's a problem.

There was only one problem present at the WNBA, and

they wore the t-shirts about it.

That's an interesting thing.

That's a big-time negotiation, big-time statement.

If they're able to, you know, remain close, hopefully they're all able to get a pay raise.

Yeah, for sure.

I said yesterday, fuck, you're already losing $40 million.

Why not lose $40?

Where are we getting that number from?

Yeah, where's the money going?

I feel like that $40 million thing is being brought up.

But also, that's probably not real.

Yeah.

Is there not some shit in that 40 million we can cut out?

I think it's more

and then give at least a $50,000 bonus to the pay.

Like, you know, if you're already losing $40 million, what's on a touchdown?

I feel like that number is brought out of thin air, though.

I've never seen a

spreadsheet?

Where's the balance sheet?

I'll hit Google right now.

And there's a new TV deal starting next year.

Yeah.

And they're bringing...

So

the hours wrapping up.

Oh, sorry.

Go ahead.

You're the man.

Great to see you.

Yeah, I appreciate it.

Stay safe.

Godspeed.

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It's happening all around us.

It has been a great morning and early afternoon here at the Thunderdome.

Guests in abundance.

It's been awesome to see everybody.

Wasn't able to take a pee during a break.

We'll be excited to see how this hour kind of holds up for my bladder, but it was awesome chit-chatting with Tyrese Halliburton.

I think it's the first time he has spoken since the injury.

And we love him, man.

He's great for the city.

He's great at basketball.

He's got a long road, and I think he understands that.

And his dad is electrifying.

And I know they try to ban him from games because of what he did.

And he's obviously very apologetic about that becoming a massive ordeal and obviously being something that stole the attention away from how great the Indiana Pacers team was.

The NBA may need to think about leaning in on that.

Instead of banning them, maybe we mic them up every game.

Got a bad idea.

Hey, you want to pay your dues, this guy.

You know, you did the crime.

Now you got to do the time.

You're mic'd up every single game down here.

And actually,

we would like you to maybe get a rebound or two if you could.

And sit next to the Jokic brothers.

Maybe in between them.

Boom.

Could you imagine?

John, in between those two, what he would be saying.

You're big, not that big.

That's a good haircut.

What's wrong with these guys, man?

He is electric.

Lightning.

And I think you can't say any of the things you say about him without acknowledging he loves his boy.

He loves his family.

And we're appreciative if they stop by.

The toxic table is here at Boss Conner at Ty Schmidt.

Come, man.

Sweet shirt.

Thank you.

Yeah, I just grabbed it because I was super late to work today,

right off the...

Yeah, what did happen with that?

You know, just

being dumb.

It's the haptics and sounds.

on your alarm.

Bro.

They'll turn down.

It gets me, yeah.

Why does it do that?

I don't know.

I've never been in there before.

And then all of a sudden my alarm is very low.

And what ends up waking me up whenever that happens is a

rattle of it.

And then it freaks me out, obviously.

And I look at it and it's like your alarm's going off.

And I'm like, I can't hear that.

What happened to this?

And then you learn this haptics and sounds tab.

Terrible.

Who changed that?

I didn't.

Hey, Tim Apple, we need to figure that one out because the alarm is a pretty important part of the phone.

Very important.

That is a very important part.

Every day.

For all of us.

Yeah.

For a lot of us that have them, it is a very important part.

You can't just have the sound of the alarm going down without us even.

So it's happening to everybody.

Yes.

I know I turn, you know, you turn it all down, you know, on the show with it.

Even with the phones on the side, it just, you know, you may scroll and hit a video on accident and the sound pops up.

So I turn it down, but I try to remind myself to turn it back up before going to sleep because of.

No, that shouldn't affect the alarm.

It shouldn't.

I think it says this does not affect the alarm.

It does.

What I've had to do, because I used to like legit check it 10 times before I actually fall asleep because I'm like, I'm not dealing with this bullshit.

Do not disturb.

And then I turn the actual ringer on.

So you like your phone is on loud, but you don't get any like messages or anything like that.

This will not affect your alarm.

I think they're lying to you.

I think so too.

I've had to set fake alarm like two minutes from now.

Yep.

And try and see if this thing is going, what is this going to sound like?

Is it set up?

That's a nightmare.

It is.

I'll tell you what, sleeping through an alarm or not setting an alarm.

And then when you wake up and knowing.

Yeah.

I knew right away because I saw the light coming through my window.

No different.

Oh, no.

No, not again.

Well, then, winter gets tough because it's just pitch black.

It's just dark all the time.

So you could wake up at 3 a.m.

and you could wake up at 8 a.m.

And it's the same light outside.

Yep.

Whenever we're in the thick of it.

But whenever you're in the spring, summertime and it's a little brighter than it was yesterday, oh no, what happened?

And then your phone,

it's like, that's not what my alarm's supposed to be.

You're supposed to make a sound.

You're supposed to make a sound.

Why aren't you making a sound?

I used to be able to put songs in there too.

Yeah, but

those definitely definitely do not play anymore.

At all?

Yeah.

I had

Nakamura's.

Yeah.

You did.

Shinsuke.

Yeah.

I had the succession theme song.

That was literally my alarm.

So whenever

years,

it used to be, I got a pocket, got a pocket full of sunshine.

I got a romana,

then somebody told me it was about cocaine.

Then whenever I was using my alarm in a public setting, everybody was like, We did it, dude.

I'm like, okay, I need to move on.

I moved the Shinsuke Nakamura's theme song.

So then I get on commentary.

Shinsuke's on SmackDown.

It's like, I love this song.

This is, this song has woke me up every single day.

Had a good time with it.

And then all of a sudden, it just stops working.

Now I got some basic bullshit.

Back, that.

I'm like, I don't want that.

My war?

Yeah, I wake up in fear.

I want Shinsuke Nakamura.

I need the tribal chiefs

to wake wake me up.

Exactly.

He was back.

He's back.

TC1's back, yeah.

Yeah.

Yo.

Yeah.

Shredded.

When we need him, too.

Big time.

Big time.

Thanks for coming back.

Needed it.

SummerSlams next weekend?

Next?

Ready?

Two weekends?

I got a good card.

It is stacking up well, isn't it?

Two-night spectacle over there in Met Life.

Yeah.

It's always good to see Roman back.

Great.

How about Paul Heyman, Squirrel?

I thought he was still on the team.

What?

He's not.

No.

He's not on the team.

He thought he was still on the team.

He was, you know.

Oh, yeah, he was trying to, wasn't he?

That's classic-wise, man.

That is.

Not a bad effort if you're him, to be clear.

He also looks like better shape.

Yeah.

I don't know if everybody's.

Now, granted, Roman did say, what is this guy going to do for me?

Nothing.

Kind of looking at him a little bit, which probably a valid point in the entirety of it all.

I think he looks good, though.

Paul looked a little better.

Is Mike Cole battling something?

I don't know how he does it.

Michael Cole.

No, he doesn't have a daily show.

But he has lived on the road for 28 years, basically.

Just full sell every single day.

He does a video game, too.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, when you're home, needs to go in a closet in a corner.

Do it to nobody.

And you need to talk to nobody.

Yeah.

And you need to talk about wrestlers that might not even exist.

They might be coming around the corner.

Or you need to talk about Ty and Boston Carlson.

And the talks are going to be a lot of fun.

We do it two fights off the top rope.

Yeah, Michael Cole is an absolute weapon.

It's great to hear his voice every Monday.

We miss him.

I will say, we miss the Michael Cole

around.

But it's been nice for me to become a human again, I will say.

And it's kind of coming up again here.

I mean, we've been talking about the NFL, like with the Jets coming back, you're going to hear a lot about Michael Cole or from Michael Cole, right?

Yeah, but this could be the year for the Jets.

You know, nobody's really expecting anything from them.

They just got a brand new locker room.

Yeah.

Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Cowboys AP tone.

Everybody's talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers going for a Super Bowl.

Jets paid a quarterback.

Jets paid a bunch of guys.

Jets got a brand new locker room.

Jets have been teetering on the edge of becoming a franchise that has not been successful at all in the modern century.

And then now we're at a point where, why not?

Redesign the locker room, add some glitz and some glam to the entirety of it all, pay your quarterback, bring Aaron Glenn in here.

Aaron Glenn, obviously, going to be a massive missing piece from the Detroit Lions, even though we got faith in new defense coordinator Kevin Shepard.

It's like, why not the Jets?

Is this the Jets year?

New locker room, Tone.

I mean, it could be that, you know, they have a defense and they have stars with sauce.

Sick locker room.

Quinn Williams over there.

And then, you know, they have Garrett Wilson and Justin Fields and Brees Hall on the offense.

Their O-line should be improved.

You know, why?

You know, why not the Jets year?

You know, why not the Browns year?

Why not, you know, anybody's year?

Because, you know, some franchises just don't win, Pat.

In week one, when the Steelers roll into town and win by 25, oh, my God, is that going to be glorious?

Because Dano's going to have to eat all of his fucking words.

Well, that was before Aaron Rodgers was on team, is what Orlovsky was saying.

Remember, he'll always have a.

He's got it.

Oh, we don't forget.

Wait a minute.

He'll catch the bullet.

Was it the same situation as it is now?

I don't think so.

That's what Dan was saying.

Oh, yeah.

I think Dan would have a big one.

I think Dan would throw this as well.

I think.

Yeah, one of those.

Is that what you think?

What would you say?

I didn't say it.

Just when the Brock Prairie shit.

I never said that.

I never said that.

Not true.

You're going to have to run the tape.

Well, here it is right here.

Yeah, but what I was saying was, no, yeah.

We're in that time of year.

Yeah.

I'm looking for the Dan.

I know the Dan wagon's coming.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner.

Ladies and gentlemen, man with 10 kids.

Congrats to him.

A.J.

Hawk.

Dan Orlovsky would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you saying?

Hey, first off, why can't we let John Halliburton shoot threes or something?

Why are we making this guy putt?

He was putting before the show and making putts.

John made putts before the show, really?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you better watch now.

Hey, John Halliburton has heard that and sent that right.

I bet he could 360 dunk.

He could probably dunk from the free throw line.

He's in good shape.

Like, why don't we let him shoot a few buckets?

Well, because he was barely.

If you would have heard the ruckus is the only way to describe it before the show started.

We're in there.

There's just a, yeah, that's what I thought happening out here.

Okay.

And I look out.

John Halberton's got big putter in his hand.

Yep.

I'm like, you making putts?

He goes, yeah, and they're saying I'm not.

And he's pointing at the cameraman and everybody else.

He's just stirring shit literally on the thing.

I think he made three.

I think he did roll three in.

I was like, well, you want to do that for like a giveaway?

He goes,

I'll do whatever.

I'm like, do you want to putt to maybe win some people some money?

I said, if you miss, it's not a big deal.

A lot of people miss.

He goes, I ain't missing.

I was like, okay.

I love this man.

I love John Halliburton.

The best.

He literally ordered a bucket of mashed potatoes.

I got chicken parn.

For instance, I got chicken porn.

Pyrese got maybe some.

I saw your chicken parm a little bit.

Some steak.

A lot of sauce.

Don't love that.

It was drenched.

It was drenched in sauce.

So I just ate the chicken and moved on, but it was great tasting chicken.

Gumpy ordered probably some steak of some sort.

Filet.

filet that was like $80.

Smooth cream you every I don't think they had smooth cream you but this would be a place that has all the options anything you could potentially want highlight we're in a back room chef basically walks in goes anything on earth that you guys want made I'll make them go around the room sounds good boom get John Halburn mashed potatoes okay what do you want for your meal

just to

just a mashed potatoes big spoon big spoon that was like the the family style sides they give you but he's like nah right here it's all me what do you want on the side sir?

I guess a side of mashed potatoes, but you could put that.

Got a butter.

The main course.

This thing shook.

It was a bucket of mashed potatoes.

He's the greatest.

He's the greatest.

And Tyrese, good mindset towards this thing.

Great mindset.

Not going to be easy at all.

He understands that it's not going to be easy.

I think I don't know.

If he was alluding to it or said it or the reason why I framed the question that way, because the conversations I have with him in the past, the people that have been through it are telling the truth.

Like, hey, this is going to suck.

Like, there's moments that are not good at this whole thing.

And that gets forgotten in rehab.

Everybody just gets a projection, a timeline.

Hey, he should be back by this time.

And everybody's like, all right, we'll see you then.

For the human that's doing it, you know, like that is eternity, pretty much, while they're sitting by themselves.

It's a lot of mental tasking shit, physically tasking stuff.

It's full commitment to everything that you're doing.

It's purpose to everything.

It's not easy.

Rehab is not easy at all.

And Achilles is one of the longest ones, obviously.

Yeah, one of the worst ones, worst injury.

Like he said, right now, when nobody's in the building nobody's really playing you know you don't miss it as much but once and we all know when you are especially when you're an athlete and you're walking around or you know scooting around or whatever it may be and you see all your peers you know doing just a normal just a shoot around or just you know a regular workout like that's when it really really sucks the most getting up in those mornings him talking you know having those different deadlines uh but a good part of it though is you know he knows he's not going to play next year.

So it's not like a, hey, you know, six months out.

Let me try to get back by game, you know, 24.

You don't have, you know, you can take your time.

You can really let it heal.

You really have time to come back, hopefully better, and have a have a great, great career on the other side of this, like, you know, Kevin Durant, who he's been talking to and spending some time with.

We're pulling for him.

He's great, dude.

Let's talk a little bit about the NFL.

Jerry Jones said some hilarious things to start training camp.

Here's one of them, live from Oxnard.

The other thing I would say is contracts are four or five years.

Okay.

Okay.

There's a lot of water under the bridge if you step out there and do something in the first two or three.

Okay.

You can get hit by a car.

Fuck.

Seriously.

Seriously.

And so there's a lot to look at over a lot of years that could make a big difference.

Have you ever heard of any clubs committing to players and then they didn't pan out after they committed to them?

No.

We have.

Yeah.

Me.

My pocketbook, not yours.

And shit.

Get hit by a car tomorrow.

so why would we pay him hell why are we even

why are we paying anybody

why are we even playing the game

why are we even what's this is this even what are we doing almost a scotty shepherd situation yeah truly about what matters what doesn't matter and it's like jerry

jerry you're kind of taking a shot at micah now not being able to handle himself or you think that he's not gonna be able to last for an entire contract.

And then obviously there's the Shamar Stewart stuff happening in Cincinnati where Mr.

Brown, who I didn't know was still around talking football, doing football like you did.

Pig issue.

I don't want big guy.

He's sitting in jail.

Easy as that.

I understand.

It's happened.

I don't want to do it.

You want to do that?

No, none of us do.

And then the easy question is, well, why'd you draft the guy you think is going to potentially end up in jail in the first round?

And there's always a counter argument.

It's crazy that this is how it's starting, I think, for these two ownerships and these two teams.

But football is back, baby.

That's what I'm thinking, AJ.

Football is back.

Owners are speaking.

It's awesome.

Like the Jerry situation, I love seeing him in the pressers with this.

It's almost like when Tyrees is trying to push his dad off the mic.

All right, John.

All right, John, get in the back.

Yeah, like it's almost like Jerry and his son when we watch him up there.

But I don't know.

Like, does Shamar Stewart get signed?

And when does he?

Obviously, he's going to have to get signed eventually.

When does that happen?

Well, you add in the Trey Hendrickson.

He's gone fishing, Don.

He's in Florida, not in Ohio at all.

Joining us now is a man who might have more information on all of it.

We assume he does.

Emmy award-winning television host.

Now he's with ESPN.

He's an analyst, a pundit, and an insider.

Friend of the program.

Deserves an award for his work alongside Tone during a draft spectacular this year in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

They won't give him an award, though, because it was on our show.

So we will not pay the money to apply for an award.

Correct.

That is not how we view awards.

Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager.

How you doing, brother?

I'm doing awesome.

I'm dying laughing at the vat of mashed potatoes because that might be me.

The same deal.

It's like I'm ordering what I want, and you can have the poutine.

You can have the S-Cargo.

If I want a vat of mashed potatoes and I'm at a five-star restaurant, if you're offering me, I'm going to eat the vat of mashed potatoes.

And it better be good, too.

He's expecting those to be good mashed potatoes.

This is a nice restaurant.

I'll go down to Applebee's down here and get some good mashed potatoes.

Oh, yeah.

You guys better have a good vat around here of these taters.

Shregs, let's talk about all the shit.

Okay.

Jerry Jones, awesome.

Then JJ Watts, like, bro, what are you doing?

First day of training camp.

Then Micah reposts J.J.

Watts saying, bro, what are you doing in this entire thing?

Micah's on his fifth year.

So that is, obviously, you get the option to pick up the fifth year.

Very rarely at important positions do we see the player play through the entire fifth year without getting a big-time deal, especially if the person is considered a long-term pillar of said franchise, which I think since draft night, Micah has been considered because he's been a Cowboy fan his whole life.

Him and Jerry hit it off.

Then Jerry says these things.

Is there a chance Jerry doesn't pay Micah?

That seems like a one in a billion chance that he doesn't pay him.

But is that where we're headed?

And what are your thoughts on how it's all kind of unfolding?

I think he's going to get paid.

And I think Jerry intends to pay him.

But Jerry Jones is as

he wants to win the deal.

And the art of the deal and the business is almost as entertaining to Jerry as the football itself.

So he's not going to be bullied around by an agent who he claimed he didn't know the name of earlier this offseason.

He's not going to be bullied around by a player who's very active on a podcast and social media.

And he's not going to be bullied around by us in the media.

So I think Jerry's having a little fun here and at the expense, it might be the goodwill of a player who has lived up to expectations, who has done everything you can ask for, and wants to be the face of the Dallas Cowboys.

I would think before the end of the season, just like they did before the start of the season, just like they timed it perfectly with Dak in week one, we'd have news just as Jay Glazer is getting on set.

Or hey, CeeDe Lamb, just as we're finishing training camp, like I think Jerry likes that splash and Jerry likes to take it to the wire, but at what cost in my eyes, I'm with JJ Watt on this one where it's what is the win?

What is the win in even tempting fate and putting that stuff out in the ether with a player like Micah Parsons?

But this is how Jerry does business.

The guys do get paid.

paid and sometimes he's got to pay a premium for it because he does it at the last second instead of doing it earlier in the process.

But in his eyes, I made you wait and I got the full value of my contract that you signed with me.

Yeah, I

hope they get the deal done.

And just like with CD and just like Dak, there's always some conjecture.

And then inevitably they end up paying him so much money.

And you talk about winning the deal and the art of the deal, which is a book written by somebody.

Sun Tzu.

Who was it?

A guy, I don't know, he doesn't like the commander's uh name.

I know that, but the whatever, yeah, you're right.

That's uh, yeah, the art of the deal is a big thing.

And Jerry's a good businessman, I think he's a good businessman, but I think the way he's handled like this type of shit is a flaw.

Personally, it just in his repertoire, because he's gonna end up overpaying for it, and then he's gonna give his quote once again.

He's gonna say, Anything that's ever been worth anything to me, people have told me I've overpaid for or whatever.

And it's like, I can't wait for that moment.

I don't know when it's gonna happen, but congrats to Mike on his big deal that he has certainly earned, we would assume, in everybody's eyes in Dallas and around the country.

Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah, Shregs, flipping to Cincinnati right now.

We talked about Mike Brown.

He was speaking yesterday.

First off, Trey Hendrickson.

He posted a picture.

He's back in Florida, I guess.

He left town.

And Shamar Stewart, like, who of these guys gets signed first?

I would assume Shamar gets signed.

When could that be?

And also, like, what's the future for Trey Hendrickson in Cincinnati?

This is just brutal.

It's brutal because for the entire offseason, I've been saying on this show and on others, like the priorities for Cincinnati were Jamar Chase and T.

Higgins.

And when they got those deals done, they were like, we did it, right, fans?

Like, we did it.

We finally did it.

We broke the bank on two star players and we are good to go.

And then this Trey Hendrickson thing has completely taken any of the goodwill away from it.

And then the Shamar Stewart thing comes out of left field when you start putting in clauses that they've never done as a team before.

And that's taken down the team and it puts you right back in the same conversation you were in when Carson Palmer was unhappy with his contracts and when those early 2000s teams that were so good had to be dismantled because the team might have bungled the relationships or AJ, as you know, when you were in that market for so long and you know that like this is not viewed as the same way as the New York Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys or some of those premier franchises.

That said,

Trey Hendrickson, they are not going to do what he wants on his timetable and they have made that clear and he has gone out of his way to be very transparent coming on your show, which I thought he was very eloquent and then meeting with local reporters in the offseason at the practice where he was attending and then now an instagram post that looks like a john denver song you know i'm out and this is it here's my assignment give me back to god's country

that's it god's country that's it morgan whalen right out of satur night live morgan wallen please jesus and that's why he's saying get

over there as you represent

jennings yeah i'm the waiter dog by the way did you see did you see spade come out as joe dirt yeah cool

randy johnson night before.

Pretty cool.

Pretty cool.

Pretty cool.

Yeah.

Selling on stadiums everywhere.

Yeah, the entirety.

Trey Hendrickson, though.

Trey Hendrickson, though.

He's not happy.

I mean, he's not happy.

Are they offering him garbage shrewds?

We're hearing reports.

Are they offering it just garbage or what is it?

They're not offering him Miles Garrett money.

And they're not offering him TJ Watt money.

And they see it as fulfill your contract.

We just, you know, like,

sorry, like, let's fulfill the contract and let's get to work.

So they're digging their heels in.

You heard Mike Brown.

I think, you know, Katie Blackburn, Blackburn, his daughter Elizabeth, like these, these are, this is a family that wants the Bengals.

It's their family business.

They want the Bengals to be as good as they possibly can be, but they're not looking to necessarily pay him the same non-ni as the other top players at the position have.

And Trey,

I don't know where the rubber hits the road here, but...

Truth of the matter is his age and the production has been there.

They're looking at what the future is of this team.

And he might be looking at what I've accomplished.

And I think I'm owed this.

You can go either way on it.

The player side, of course, you say, Pam,

from the team budgetary side, they looked at this entire offseason and said Higgins and Chase are our top two priorities.

Trey Hendrickson is not because he's under contract.

So I'm not sure how this plays out, but let's see what his will is and let's see if he's convicted enough to just say, you know what?

Screw it.

I'm not going to show up.

I'll eat the fines.

Let's see how you do without my 18 and a half sacks a year.

And Trey has said that the last two offseasons, they've told him, we'll take care of you.

We'll take care of you.

we'll take care of you.

And then it comes time to get taken care of.

And now

Mr.

Brown's saying, we gave him a raise.

I mean,

we've given him a raise.

And he said he's still under contract, so maybe he's silly me for even giving him a raise or whatever.

And it was like, oh, my God, he's nowhere near.

They're nowhere.

Like they are in very different.

headspaces.

If you listen to Mr.

Brown and you listen to Trey Hendrickson talk about it at all, and it's like, Trey, we have said, too nice of a guy maybe for this situation.

Him heading to Florida.

No, that was it.

That's a big stand by Trey Hendrickson.

We didn't think he would do this.

He kind of said it from the get-go.

Hey, you guys rip on me 16 or 17 more times.

I'm out of here.

And he's finally reached his breaking point.

All right.

See, that's what you were saying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he didn't like that you were saying that, but I think he was trying to maintain doing it the right way in his eyes while doing it in a manner that he didn't want to do it, which is being loud.

Like the squeaky wheel gifts you oil.

You know, that's kind of how it is.

But he didn't want to.

Can I add though?

Like when you look at this thing in this team their their offense wasn't the problem it never is it's their defense it's horrendous and they fire lou eneramo who i think is an excellent defensive coordinator and is going to be a great addition to another team that happens to be in your backyard i think he's the absolute man they fire lou and then they hire al golden who everyone's like this is great but when you have trey hendrickson and then you draft a defensive end at 17th overall Those are pretty much your top two defensive players going into the season as far as what you have and what you hope for.

If you have a guy in the top 20, you're taking at that position.

And to not have either as camp starts is a major L.

I don't care how you look at it, who wins this thing, to not have either one of those guys on the first day of training camp is a huge, huge L for the team.

No matter who's right or wrong and what clause is written where, I don't care about any of that stuff.

You're the worst defense in the division.

You got lit up in every big game.

Joe Burrow and that offense took care of business.

I would think that this is looked as a great disappointment to not have those two players on the field.

Shraig, as you've always said, can't spell bangles without L's.

That's right.

Can't do it.

That's what you've been saying.

Not me.

I'm just saying you've.

Can't spell Morgan Whalen without an L either.

I'm sorry about that.

Two of them, actually, and it's Wallen.

Jesus Christ, once again.

All right.

Okay.

All right.

That guy will come to your city and sell out your stadium for.

I like that guy.

I like that Tate McCrae.

That's what I want.

That's what I want.

He comes in on that second verse.

I'm like, ooh.

Shrake's into country music a little bit

to the highway on Sirius I love it there's like six songs they play that's all I know oh little city cowboy up there okay we like that Shrek's uh we love that uh also

go ahead by dirt is that what you said like a song from like 10 years ago yeah I just referenced it no Jordan Davis

yeah that's a great song and all these good songs you're referencing the messaging and storyline through it all is that's

beautiful now there's old school country and there's contemporary uh country now because you like

I don't know a shit about Brooks and Dunn.

Like, I don't know anything about Alan Jackson.

My Mariah?

Come on.

I love my modern country.

I'm in on it.

I love it.

Okay, so as somebody who's from New York City getting into the country world, you should learn a couple things about like George Strait.

you know, and a couple other OG country folks.

Oh, so that one, yeah, Dolly's a great one.

So whenever you get into a conversation, Beyonce, obviously, Grammy Award-winning country musician, which has potentially created an entire another genre of Shabuzi, certainly a good conversation to be had.

Darius Rucker also absolute dog around there.

But you should just learn a couple things about the old school country so that whenever you get into the country real inevitably, which is pretty, seemingly pretty hospitable.

Maybe it's pretty much music right now.

It's either country or hip-hop.

Yeah, it's summer every single time.

But you learn some stuff about George Strait, you'll be right in there.

You'll be right in there.

And the country community is an awesome one.

It has a chance to, because they all watch Game Day.

So all these country musicians watch Game Day.

And they all, not all of them, I guess, but every guy that I've met, big sports, like, love sports, love the sports.

Jack Bryan just sold out the Met Life Stadium, which is all New Yorkers in Connecticut and New Jersey, sold it out three different nights.

And everyone who went said it was absolutely unbelievable.

And Springsteen showed up.

So, you don't have to sell it to me.

Like, I get it.

Now, the 80s and 90s, I wish I had more of a knowledge.

I did not grow up with it then.

Did Springsteen cut any promos out there?

I know he was pissing some people.

That was awesome.

Anyways, to the country music world, we appreciate you being awesome for us.

I'm new to the world.

I was not a big country fan growing up.

And then you get a chance to meet these dudes and ladies.

And then you get the songwriting process.

You get to experience that like I did.

Then the history down in Nashville, Music Row, the Rhyme and Theater Auditorium.

I mean, there is like, it's a cool thing to learn about.

They do the CMAs.

I think that's on ABC or one of them is on ABC.

You should be involved with that.

Nah, Peyton Manning's hosting that one, brother.

Yeah, and he's got the accent, actually.

He's in it.

Luke Bryan.

Him and Luke Bryan got that thing unlocked.

But the country music music world, I think you could say that their award shows are the most star-studded.

Like they all buy in.

They all show?

They all buy in.

Like, their shit is always great.

It's a great community.

I think there are a lot of really talented and good people.

Now, let's get back to a little NFL chatter, shall we?

There's some other outstanding contract situations that are taking place around the NFL with superstars.

Not just Trey Hendrickson.

Go ahead, D.Butch.

Yeah, I know GM Adam Peters, head coach Dan Quinn, just recently spoke.

Didn't get a chance to watch that yet since we've been on air.

But we know Terry McLaurin, he's been pissed off about his deal not sure if he's going to show up or not any update there what's going on with terry and the commanders yeah adam had his press conference this morning and was very top line we want terry in camp we appreciate terry these conversations are ongoing but let's really peel the onion back here this has been the first piece of adversity in adam peters dan quinn and josh harris's entire tenure when it comes to the football team on the field where there's actually an unhappy player with his contract and this one's tough because mclaurin is the bridge from the dark days of what this organization was before these guys took over and before Jaden Daniels got there.

And he was Jaden's number one guy and has done everything you could possibly ask for from a veteran wide receiver.

In fact, he wore the C as a wide receiver, which is pretty rare as the captain of the team and is beloved.

And Cliff loves him and DQ loves him.

All those guys love him.

He's got a year left on his contract.

He's looking at the numbers and saying, wait a second, I am not being paid what I'm deserved.

That said, in a similar similar way as Trey Hendrickson, you look at the age, you look at the budget, you look at where we're going, they didn't account for an unhappy Terry McLaurin and a potential holdout from Terry McLaurin.

They went and they got Debo Samuel for a year.

They got Laramie Tunzel.

They went all in on those veterans thinking, okay, last year we put this together with a bunch of veteran pieces and we got lucky with a couple rookies and it worked out.

It was great.

Now we're going to ascend and we're going to go for it.

Well, you can't go for it without Terry McLaurin on the field.

From Terry's side, he has done everything right.

He thinks he's he's paid well below you know market rate for what he's produced and yet if you were to list the top 10 wide receivers and i know espn did on a jeremy fowler poll like i don't know where you put terry mclaurin he's certainly not in that jamar chase malik neighbors justin jefferson like those top top like guys who are ascending neighbors neighbors

i put neighbors

in new york bias yeah that's a yeah it sounds like you just watch a lot of new york giants highlights which i respect neighbors might be

garrett Wilson just got his number.

Do you pay him what Garrett Wilson wants?

More.

More.

Or you pay him more.

Okay.

Terry,

we are a show that thinks Terry is

the guy.

So he's effort.

Come on,

leader.

Everything he does.

Like, we are a Terry.

You want Terry in your locker room, we think.

Like, not that all these other guys, you don't, but I'm just saying for who Terry is and what Terry is, and also the culture you're trying to establish, him being everything that it is, and he catches in traffic, he runs the hard routes, he's not scared to do anything.

It's like Terry McLaurin is a guy you want on your team.

Like, that is, we think very highly.

And you want happy on your team.

Like, you look at other teams, like Philly, for instance.

Like, when you pay guys like Jordan early, you pay Saquon when you don't need to, you play Jalen Hurts early, like, that does something for the morale of the team.

When you have a rookie quarterback, Jayden Daniels, who is going to be on a rookie deal for at least another couple years, you bring in Tungsten, you bring in Debo.

This is a guy you want to come in there, be happy about his deal, and get paid.

Yeah, Garrett earned it.

All these guys earned it, but Terry had to be a good person.

He doesn't think Terry top 10.

Top 10 is wild.

I got Terry top 10.

Oh, I'm asking if you put him there.

Hey, listen, I didn't put any numbers on this.

I'm just saying, hey, are we doing that?

That's what you just said.

Put up a career year.

That's the debate, though.

That's the debate.

Do you pay him based on what he's been in the culture and say, hey, you know what?

We know we just gave you a giant contract.

contract two years ago, but let's redo it and give you even more because of it.

Or do you say, hey, finish the contract and let's see where we're at at the end of this thing.

And all I'm saying is it might get done tomorrow.

What I'm saying is Adam Peters and Dan Quinn and Lance Newmark and all those brilliant guys in DC who have done everything right since the day they got there.

This is their first fork in the road moment.

And it just happens to be with the model citizen and the face of the franchise going back not only since they got there, but years ago when this was a team that was in the dregs of society and in the NFL.

McLaurin, McLaurin was the shining light and was like, don't worry, you could put me on anything.

You could put me out there in public and I will represent this franchise in the right way when maybe previous ownership didn't and maybe some previous players on the team did not.

So do you reward him for all that or do you say, finish out the contract and we'll revisit this when we know what our budget is for next year?

Is he is it this is Spo Track?

I assume?

No, what is this?

This is overthecap.com.

Overthecap.com.

What do they say?

I can't read.

I got the small eyes.

What's it say?

Yeah, over the cap.

So he's down at $23 million per year.

He's going into his last year.

So obviously his contract was signed four years ago, probably five years ago.

Jamar Chey is making $40 a year.

He's making $23, too.

I assume he wants to get into the 30s.

Probably mid-30s, I would assume.

34.

Great attorney.

And

I would like to let the Washington commanders know,

currently their name, whatever.

That if you guys don't want to pay it, we would here in Indianapolis.

Absolutely.

We would love him back here in Indianapolis.

And I think there's a lot of other players.

And you talked about this being their first thing they've had to figure out.

There was a strongly worded truth social post that they're going to have to

have to figure out as well as they piece that stadium together.

But I'm excited to watch watch them do it.

Good ownership group can lead through a lot of things, you know?

That is real.

I think having great guidance at the top of a team matters.

And this is one of those situations they're going to have to figure out, navigate.

That stadium thing is going to have to be something they're going to have to navigate.

That's real.

The naming of the team is going to have to be something they navigate.

It's like this is, hey, here we go now.

You had success.

Now you're in it.

Josh Harris bought this team and he bought them at a premium and everyone was celebrating for the last 18 months.

This has been a, it has been a world-class parade all the way to to the NFC championship game.

This offseason, they made two big moves in getting Debo and Tunzil, and there is real Super Bowl talk between this stuff with the president and now this McLaurin stuff on the field.

There's actual decisions to be made, and there might be some actual strife involved.

It's not going to always be parades and roses and rainbows in the NFL.

And for the first time in this new tenure, Washington is facing some of this.

And I saw, you know, the press secretary today came out or yesterday, and she's like, the president is not kidding on this.

And And then the mayor came out today, and she's like, well, we're at the one-yard line.

And from what I gather, we're almost there.

It's going to get

you.

You want to predict how that's going to go?

I'm not.

The president says, you ever watch Cardinals versus Steelers, Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl?

You know what James Harrison did?

That's at the one-yard line?

I'll take that fucking ball all the way down the other side.

I will take this thing the other way.

Like James Harrison, that is wild that that is happening because they need a new stadium.

Bad.

And they want a new stadium.

It was the best news they could possibly ask for.

I think we all celebrated that they were getting a new stadium strictly because the lawsuit that was inevitable, whether it was the feces in the cups in the heads, or it was the actual barricades falling.

They also got a Super Bowl MVP.

Yeah, it's legit.

On that note.

Ty has a question for you.

Yeah, Shraigs, a lot of debate kind of came up this week and early last week about Jalen Hurts and how, you know, I mean, he really, them winning the Super Bowl had nothing to do with him.

It was the great defense.

It was Saquon.

It was his receivers.

Even Siriani, people are kind of coming back around and saying, like, hey, without Siriani, this guy's nothing.

Why do you think that has become the narrative with Jalen Hurts after he won a Super Bowl?

And do you think people are ever going to kind of give him his flowers as one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL?

Or do you think we're just going to continually have this conversation over and over again, given how good the Eagles' roster is?

I have like a meta take on this, and it's kind of like a sports media story more than a Jalen Hurts story.

That list came out.

He was put at number nine.

I was hosting Get Up last week because...

Great work.

You did a great job.

Thanks, bro.

I loved it.

It was fun.

My big thing was like...

If you have a qualm with Jaden Daniels, who's only one year in being above Jalen Hurts, I get it.

And if you think he's better than Justin Herbert, totally.

I'll give you that.

But by and large, like, you're not putting Jalen Hurts in the same conversation as maybe Lamar or Burrow or Mahomes or Allen and whatever.

Then everyone got super defensive.

I just don't know who the person hating on Jalen Hurts is.

Is there a person in the media who's like Jalen Hurts sucks?

Is there a feeling in the media that Jalen Hurts?

I feel like this is what we call a straw man.

And it is what the Eagles use for motivation.

It's what Eagles fans use for motivation.

If you're so sure that Jalen Hurts is being disrespected, show me the article of the person who has said a negative word about Jalen Hurts since that Super bowl performance where by and large he outplayed patrick mahomes not for the first time but for the second time and did everything you could possibly ask my theory on the eagles and it goes with siriani who i thought was great at the esps as well and i saw you guys posted some photos i know you appreciate nick's work i'm a huge siriani fan they are the perfect coach and quarterback for that team so if you want to play fantasy football and say that you know he wouldn't do what he does if he wasn't on the eagles well he's he's on the eagles it's the same thing as like someone walking you know down like Beverly Hills and being like, I don't like that $20 million house.

Well, guess what, buddy?

You're never getting a $20 million house.

It doesn't matter.

Like this doesn't affect you.

It doesn't impact you.

The Eagles have Jalen Hurts.

He's paid top dollar.

He is fantastic.

They are Super Bowl champions and they have Nick Siriani who's paid top dollar and they're Super Bowl.

You can hate all you want, but I don't have the person

who's like denigrating either one of them.

I just think it's a good argument to be making that he's disrespected or dismissed.

I thought nine was about right.

If you want to say he should be seven or five, fine, but he's not one, two, three, or four if you're looking at it that way.

That's my take.

Interesting takes.

Obviously, I love you starting the pod as you're hosting first take.

You jumped right in there.

Hell yeah.

You see, I've been watching.

I understand what the game is.

Let me go ahead and put a list out here.

Super Bowl champion this season, baby.

Almost got in top 10.

Yeah, I get it.

He dropped a dime in the second half to basically cement that game on the biggest stage and everything like that.

I get it.

But you putting him above...

Joey Burrow.

I don't think so.

You put him above Josh Allen?

You put him above Lamar Jackson?

You put him above Patrick Mahomes.

I think it's tough to do strictly because we have so much great young quarterback play happening around the NFL right now.

But Jalen Hurts being an absolute dog in Philadelphia is awesome.

And all the while, Pat, like we're doing this and we're screaming on TV and the tweets are going nuts and the whole thing.

Jalen Hurts is posing for photos in Greece with Michael Jordan.

I'm like, who's getting the last laugh here?

Do you think he's really hung up on this?

Like, he's fine and they're fine.

40.

You're out on DJ Gallery?

What's that?

You out on DJ Gallum?

Yeah.

Really?

What was it?

Some things.

You know.

Anyway,

he's been traveling to four or five.

All he's doing is on his album, Thor.

I don't know if we're ever getting one.

I don't know if we're ever going to.

I mean, he's been promoting making this album for a long time.

But his big move is you're allowed to be happy.

That's what he's been saying.

It's okay to be happy, I think, is like his message.

It's like, that's a good message there, DJ Call.

It is okay to be happy.

You're also allowed to be pissed off.

But it doesn't mean that the thing that pisses you off should just not be allowed to exist anymore.

But we we love your passion.

All right, let's move along to another topic that we love.

You just mentioned a man, Josh Allen, there.

Go ahead, Convan.

Yeah, Shreya Go.

Let's head up to Buffalo.

They actually just announced that they're going to be bringing back their red helmets this season.

I assume everyone in Buffalo, all Bills fans, have been waiting for this for a long time.

Usually Josh Allen does come out with this thing on with a suite visor during training camp, so that's sweet.

Then there was a photo released of the stadium, and it makes their current stadium basically look like a Texas high school stadium.

Still very nice, still worth a lot of money, but not what their new one will be.

I would like to say that this picture is a perfect depiction of why teams and cities are looking for a new stadium, especially if they're outdated.

It's like, hey, this is literally what's possible nowadays with what we had back in the day.

This is like a perfect, if cities are pitching for a new stadium, it's like, hey, just look at what we can do nowadays with engineering and everything we have versus what we were able to do back then.

Congrats.

to the Buffalo area on getting this new stadium.

It looks electrifying.

And these bisons, from what I've heard, chests chests are going to be high.

Now, I'm sorry.

Yeah, they're growing a bit.

No, but to your point, like, if you pull that photo back up, if you look at the location of the old stadium, too, like, hey, no, it could probably fit there.

Casino, maybe a hotel, maybe some restaurants.

Like, the amount of good casinos in New York.

Yeah, great place for it.

It's wide open right there.

But talking of Buffalo Schraeger, it feels like the only problem they really have right now is James Cook is a hold in, even though now looking at it from the outside, damn near, this is kind of the way to do it peacefully, if you will in this day and age now but with james cook being the only question mark how do you feel about buffalo they got josh palmer in free agency from la that's kind of what was one of their big signings when it came to the offensive side but do you think this is the year for buffalo is this gonna be the season where they can finally talk some kind of legitimate uh shit to patriots fans or do you think that the buffalo bills still are are gonna try and figure it out and then inevitably get down to the afc championship look i think the afc east will be better than it was last year when you had two horrendous teams in the Patriots and the Jets and the Dolphins didn't live up to expectations.

So I think the competition is going to be a little harder in the division.

But if I had to scope it out right now, looking at the AFC and how loaded the North is and how loaded the West is,

I would think that the Bills have the inner track on that one seed.

And it's not going to be the Chiefs as the one seed and it won't be the Ravens as the one seed.

That the Bills can still take care of their business, do what they do, and secure homefield advantage.

And then it goes through Buffalo in in January.

And that's the ultimate hope.

And they had that two years ago.

And they lost, you know, obviously in that, in that heartbreaker to the Chiefs in the divisional round.

And then, of course, you look at what happened last year and they had to go into Arrowhead and it didn't work out the way they wanted.

And they lose in that round.

I would think they...

they are going to be, if not the one seed, they'll be the two seed.

To me,

everyone's back from the coaching staff.

They bring all this great talent back on the field.

Josh is married and happy and financially secure.

Losses like Mac Hollins, like, I don't know if that's, I mean, he was their leading touchdown guy and Mac Collins had a great, but like they were so deep at wide receiver that you have to think that the bills are going to be right back where they were.

They just have to get over the hump.

And I did like a list of like top five storylines last week on Get Up and I thought this is number two.

Like it's Josh and it's Lamar together in the same conversation.

At some point.

At some point, you have your Michael Jordan moment where you beat Isaiah and Dumars.

And at some point, you have your LeBron moment where you get past the Celtics and the Pistons and you do it.

You know, like at some point, they have to do it to really cement this thing.

And I feel like this is the year for Buffalo and it's all there in the cards.

They just have to get there again.

Are the Chiefs dead, Trakes, because they lost in the Super Bowl?

They're the reigning AFC champions.

Everybody, if we've seen Travis, we're thinking to ourselves.

Talking about someone looking good in shape.

Yeah.

And tall and sweet.

That's a good way to describe that.

Travis looks sweet right now.

Looks taller than he's ever looked, which might mean he looks leaner than he's been in some time.

Patrick Mahomes has had an entire offseason of nobody expecting shit from the Kansas City Chiefs.

And last taste of football that he has, ass beating by the Philadelphia East.

Yeah, what Schraeger's saying, too, about how, you know, Jordan beat Isaiah Thomas and LeBron beat the Celtics and the Pistons.

In this, you know, situation, Mahomes is more so the Jordan and LeBron, and Josh Allen is more so the Isaiah Thomas Dumars just hasn't gotten it done yet.

And there's a chance Josh Allen's career ends with him winning six straight Super Bowls.

Bingo.

Like there's a chance that their team pays.

And there's a chance to give it this on Mahomes.

On Mahomes.

But then there's a chance Patrick Mahomes wins for the next 15 years.

And he never gets it.

Mahomes has been to seven straight conference championship games.

I mean, insane stuff.

He's pretty good.

It's all he's.

He just goes.

It's crazy.

Here's the thing on Mahomes.

So you're seeing there's this new documentary on the Chiefs run for three that's going to be on ESPN and Disney Plus.

I believe they announced it yesterday.

It's going to be on August 14th.

I have a friend who worked on that.

Really?

That's cool.

And it's going to be amazing.

And I saw some sneak peeks up, but this is the cool story.

And I don't think they'd have a problem with me sharing this.

Spoiler.

They lose the Super Bowl.

And it's like, you know, walking out of that stadium the way it went.

Like Brett Veitch is beside himself.

Mahomes is beside himself.

Chris Jones is devastated.

They have like their

Tuesday morning, Mahomes is in the gym and Mahomes is working out.

Remember, the Super Bowl ends Sunday night at like 1 a.m.

and they've got their cameras here for this kingdom, this whole thing, which I think is going to be awesome.

And Mahomes is working out that Tuesday morning.

And this is the same stuff that you might say, oh, whatever, every player is.

This is Michael Jordan's last dance stuff.

This is when we lose to the Pistons.

We get in the gym that morning and we encourage Scotty Pippen to get and follow the lead.

We encourage Horace Grant.

I just think they are so dialed in.

And they had that picture of him at the party with Brittany and he's got a little dad bot and everyone had their fun with that.

Like he reads and hears everything.

Mahomes is a killer.

I think this is actually the last thing you want to do is start questioning Mahomes's dedication or his fitness and what they have because truth be told, they got better on the offensive line.

They're going to have healthy wide receivers.

They added some talent on the defensive side.

Like, I don't know, Kansas City, you start questioning them and you start considering how they lost that Super Bowl and how embarrassed they were.

I wouldn't be shocked if they come out guns blazing to start the season.

Yeah, I'm pretty pumped to watch this particular team.

Mike, legit.

I I don't know who's blocking in that whole thing for him.

Let's assume Andy Reid will figure that all up.

I just have faith in Vech and Andy Reid.

But Patrick Mahomes being the guy that is washed in some people's eyes is a cool little thing.

That's a cool little thing for Patrick Mahomes to get to, oh, is this

like what can you do?

You have to find ways to motivate yourself.

And what's going to motivate me?

What's the chip on the shoulder this year?

Well, it might as well be everyone taking a crap all over me and my physique, you know, like whatever it is.

Whatever you can.

You're saying, like, through a hammock?

Figuratively speaking, people talking, antivirus of it.

I'm not related to him.

But I did see that he enjoyed that type of stuff.

Sure.

Through a hammock.

They mush it through there.

Do you feel like there's really a contingent of people who are really counting like Mahomes and the Chiefs?

Oh, the best is behind.

Is that like real?

Broncos are the most bet team to win a division in the NFL.

Boom.

What are their odds?

Their odds are probably like like plus 240.

And what are their Chiefs' odds to win?

Probably even.

Minus 240.

So I don't know.

But I think people watch the ass beating of the Super Bowl.

And

I think we're a pretty simple species, humans.

I think the Ravens, the Ravens are a favorite over them in the AFC.

I think the Eagles, like, they're not the Super Bowl favorites out of the AFC this year.

That's based on what Las Vegas is saying, not even my opinion.

Yeah, because Baltimore signed Chuck Pagano.

That's right.

We did.

Fucking odds moved.

I mean, they're all tickets.

That's right.

They're all the season.

Yeah, pretty cool.

They're the third team.

And that's not disrespectful.

It's just those two teams.

People think they're going to break through.

I mean, that's fair.

They're plus 750.

I haven't seen one bad thing about Mahomes this year.

I remember the body thing, Schraeger, but you just said that their O-line is going to be better.

And last year, all we did was talk about how Joe Tooney might be the greatest left guard in the history of football.

How is their O-line better when they lose a Hall of Fame guard?

That's fair.

I'm talking about the left side.

I mean, they got Josh Simmons in the draft, obviously.

You got me.

Junior.

Junior is, and he was there all, dude.

He was their MVP last year.

He stepped in and played left tackle, but eventually,

eventually I'm like, wait a second.

Now, you know what?

Let's bring the call.

Shit, request.

All right.

The draft is a business.

Yeah,

once again, though, we just assume Veech and Andy Reid will figure it out.

They can draft two guards in the fifth round, and I would think that one of those two guys is going to be.

Now, they they could draft two guards.

Not that Viets would ever miss like this, but there's a chance you draft a guard to replace him.

And the guy stinks and doesn't fit in with your group.

Like, the offensive line is so fickle and so important, I think.

They have done such a good job drafting.

You have to give them the faith on that.

But I was thinking more the left side where Tooney was playing out of position, and it was unbelievable.

And they got two different guys.

They got more, the free agent.

And then, of course, Simmons, who everyone says if he's healthy and when he's healthy, is probably the steal to draft at that part in the draft.

So we'll see.

I saw Jordan Mylotta.

Oh, god holy he's a big sum bit

how how is that a lob how is that and he played rugby he could punt how does he have the rugby highlights what he says

he says no that was the guy we talked to from australia he said he had a cracking left foot also alleged legend absolutely so a weapon who is that who's from australia just met one of his boys uh no this is not one this is another aussie that was out there i don't want to give it away too much the guy's awesome don't worry about it the world will meet him through this show at some point that was my first time meeting him and i'm like would like this guy in my life a little bit more.

I have a cracking left foot, mate.

Cracking left foot.

But Mai Lotta, I believe he played rugby, right?

He's rugby players.

Could you imagine no pads trying to tackle that thing?

Good luck.

So he's gigantic.

It sings.

He's on the Rabbit Toes.

That was his team, the Rabbit Toes.

I remember.

He was out at the Espes.

I saw him a bunch.

He was cool.

Incredibly cool.

Massive dude.

Massive guy.

Got so good at football.

Love stout.

Stoutland.

Stoutland.

Statland.

O-line coach.

He's like, well, he's basically do whatever he says, man.

I'm like, that's smart.

Feels Feels like that's good play.

Jalen Carter.

We talked about it a little bit.

Jalen Carter, he's more built like Aaron Donald than I thought.

I thought he would be taller.

Not 340.

He's like, yeah, he's nimble.

He's like Aaron Donald.

So whenever you see him, he clearly has leverage on everybody.

I thought he was 6'8 ⁇ .

And then, yeah, me too.

In my mind, the stories you hear, baby rhino, everything, it's like, oh, okay, this guy is...

massive.

No, he's just wildly strong.

He's very strong.

He might be the strongest guy.

He might be the best offensive lineman in football.

I mean the best offensive player.

Yeah, no question.

You meet him and he's just like, holy what a weapon.

That entire Eagles team was there.

It's like, why weren't you at the SMS?

That feels like a Shriker, doesn't it?

It totally is.

I would be there in like a gold suit.

And fortunately,

I was hosting Get Up that day.

So I was doing the Derby stuff while you were at the Derby.

I was doing Get Up.

So I was always like starting the day for the Pat McAfee show of later in the day.

Oh, very nice of you kicking that off.

You could have used our set, though, at both these places to do these shows.

Fair enough.

Okay, next year.

I saw you, but I saw Kirk Herbstree putt in.

I was jealous.

I wanted to get in on all that.

That looked fun.

Kirk Herbstree, fresh out of a five-month hiatus.

Must be nice.

Oh, man.

Those guys, like, he earned it 30 years.

30 years.

30 years.

30 years.

He's earned it.

He's earned it, I think.

He worked his ass off during the season.

That's all I keep telling him: is like, you've earned this, just disappearing for five months, going to move to 50 different beaches.

Matt, who was the coolest guy you hadn't met or gal at the SBs?

Like The first time you met?

Jerry Judy.

Buy a mile.

Buy them all.

Jerry Judy is the guy.

Yeah, we love Jerry Judy.

I want Jerry Judy in a New England Patriots or Colts or Packers or Steelers or any of D-Bucks teams so bad so we can follow him.

Yeah, I'm pulling for the Browns now because Jerry Judy, to be honest.

Tell me, what about him?

Just electric personality?

What?

He's a South Florida boy.

I mean, that is just...

That is all you need to know.

That is all you need to know.

Who's the coolest guy you know, Schraeger?

The coolest guy I know, Jerry Judy, apparently.

Triple it.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, exactly.

Good answer.

is, he was awesome.

I saw him, I was in the elevator upon check-in with him and his crew, and the interaction between us was epic.

I mean, it was sweet interaction.

He had a great group around him.

So then I go to my room, and then I get changed like 15, 20 minutes, come back to the elevator, same, we're in this elevator going back down.

Same exact plans, whatever it was.

We're going to our room, then we're coming back down.

So I spent a lot of time with Jerry Judy immediately upon getting in.

I love you.

Pretty personal space.

So a lot of chit chat.

Then I got, we leave the place.

I come back.

Jerry Judy and his boys are right in the middle of the lobby.

Like literally.

So I see him again.

So I'm like, hey, we're doing a show tomorrow.

Just come through whenever you want to come through.

We'd love you to have you or whatever.

He goes, all right, bet.

Then I, next morning, I wake up.

There he is.

Fucking Jerry Judy.

I saw him again.

It was like our schedules were the exact same.

There's hundreds of people in this hotel, if not thousands of people in this hotel at this time.

Everybody has different things.

Me and Jerry Judy's schedules were just like at the exact same time.

He was going to get a workout in.

He was like, when I get back from this workout, I'll come over.

I'm like, sweet.

He went over to UCLA, I think.

Then he came back, walked over, was not a golfer at all, rolled a pretty good couple pucks.

And then we go to the Espys.

He's sitting right behind us.

I mean, it was just like, this guy was awesome.

He was cool the entire time.

Oh, yeah.

I love that.

That's a story I love, Pat, because, you know, we know these guys as fantasy football players, what they do on Sundays, but I love hearing that off the field in July, this guy was the man.

Electric.

And he was just trying to like literally.

And then we go to Shane's after party.

Jerry Judy's there.

I mean, it was, it was literally, it was, and we saw him everywhere.

And every time, by the end of it, it was like, Jerry, what up?

Jerry?

What up, man, Jerry?

Like, I think Connor even like.

When we were at the Esprits, yeah, because since he came on the program to do the putting on Wednesday, when we were at the Espresso, I just saw him wandering around.

So I was like, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, over here.

Which, like, we never do when we're in these.

And then he came

together.

And they came over and he hung out for 20 minutes before we went in.

Yeah, I felt like Jerry Judy's the guy that I'm pulling for this year, strictly after the

quarterback.

Yeah, I got to figure it out.

What's that?

Got to figure out a quarterback.

You got four quarterbacks.

Yeah, man.

You got four, you got one.

I tried to get it out of him who's been doing what, who's, you know, separating themselves.

And he said, you know, great group, great group of guys, but he's coming off a career year.

Since he's coming to the league, that's kind of been the thing.

You obviously, as a wide receiver, you need a good quarterback, you need a good play caller, good offensive line.

But when he was coming out in that draft, and even when he was at Bamba, like he was pegged as one of the next guys.

So glad he got paid.

And as a wide receiver, you always want to see good wide receivers play with good quarterbacks, good organizations.

My first time talking to him in an elevator, I was like, do you live out here or where do you live in the offseason?

And he goes, I'm a Florida boy.

You know that.

That was his only answer.

And I started laughing.

I was like, of course, yeah, yeah.

I get it.

You've worked with Florida people.

Yeah, I get it.

I get it.

I get it.

You did game day, obviously, with him a million times, and he was killer.

But I've met him several times.

Tell the audience, like Shane Gillis is the most normal guy you'll ever meet.

Like the best.

Like just incredible.

Just as if he had never been a superstar and isn't selling out stadiums.

Every interaction I've had with him, he is just the coolest, most low-key, hilarious guy.

Shane is hilarious.

He's the right guy for the job.

That's just why he's the right guy for his job that he is doing currently.

He is the right guy for it.

And

yeah, we've known him a while now.

Very lucky to know him for a long time.

Football guy, dude.

He's a football guy.

You hear some of the locker room when you hear Shane talking.

The locker room in like 2004, 5, 6.

The best law.

It's like a nostalgia trip every time he's talking to you.

It's like, yeah, we're right back in it.

Right back in it.

But I spoke to him last year, his conversation.

He wanted to ask me how I was at the college football video game because he had just gotten it and was so like into it.

I'm like, that's a normal guy.

All right.

You're playing the college football video game.

Also, he would

beat the fucking brakes off you in that game.

I would assume.

There's been a couple of times I've talked to him and we're gaming and I have to get like an answer out of him.

Uh-huh.

Sorry, dude.

Third.

Sorry.

What's that?

And then we're back in there.

It's like, all right, good luck out there, man.

I'm pulling for you.

He's the right man for the job, as are you.

We appreciate you joining us.

Ladies and gentlemen, insider analyst, Peter Schrager.

Peter Schrager.

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26 teams reported today.

What will we talk about tomorrow?

Well, probably the final two teams reporting and all the other shit that's going on.

Will Trey Hendrickson be an employed football player tomorrow?

No, or is he just retire and say, I'm gone?

We'll see what it's equip.

Yeah, oh my god, great tease.

Because he could just retire.

What if he goes out on a boat today, catches a swordfish, posts a photo holding that thing?

This is my new profession.

I retire.

Toss the swordfish back out there.

Maybe puts Bronze face on it.

Yeah.

Toss it back in.

He goes,

Fuck this.

KTD reaches out.

Hey, man, saw the fish you pulled.

I think you got a lot of talent.

I want to take you under my wing.

Hey, Kevin Van Dam might see

it's out there fishing.

Yeah, without a doubt.

Have you seen what those guys in Ohio did?

They were trying to rack it up.

They're putting the weights in the fish.

Are they still free men or good luck?

KBD shot him in the head with three hooks.

Trey might get traded tomorrow.

Maybe.

What, Age?

How would that?

Yeah, I guess if someone would have to agree, the new team would have to agree most likely to give him a new deal.

Yeah, obviously.

He's classic this situation here.

Do you think it would happen?

Yeah.

I think he's like, hey, he said it since right now.

He would love it.

No, I think he would love it.

Absolutely.

I'm just saying, I don't know if it's going to happen.

Yeah.

Commanders, Panthers, Packers.

Bengals really need edge rushers, too.

They don't want to pay theirs.

AJ speaking as a Cincinnati Bengals fan.

Yeah, we're one of those teams.

We drafted a guy.

He's still not in the building.

But it's just ignorant to think like tomorrow all of a sudden this is going to get

going on since the Super Bowl.

And

Shrake's just said it.

Like, hey, they're not giving in to what he wants wants at all.

And I think him leaving, it's like he's he's far past giving into what they want.

Like, I think Mike Brown said that, too.

Yeah.

It's hard to see what Goofy, I should say.

Yeah, well, Mike Brown.

He was indoors.

He's trying to pay respects.

Didn't Trey fined a shit ton under the new CBA too for actually not being there?

Like, because that's why all the hold-ins happen?

I assume he's willing to take the

game checks gone.

You know, I mean, but Mike Brown acting like, hey, this guy needs to play his contract.

He signed a contract.

And I get that.

This isn't how it works in the NFL for any of these guys.

And on their side, the way they view contracts.

You cut guys,

you sign 100 guys to contracts every single day, every single year.

Yeah, like he, he,

going into the last year, you get a new contract.

Now, granted,

I think what Mr.

Brown also wasn't referencing is.

So we told him last two years, you're going to get him next year.

Big deal.

I lied.

That happens.

I lie all the time.

Guess what?

We told him again this year.

We'll get you next year.

Yeah.

And he bought it.

He's an idiot.

He bought it.

We're not getting him this year.

We're at the league of sacks.

Well, we'll get you next year.

Well, I'm a free agent next year.

Everybody has.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

We'll get you.

We priced you right whenever we gave you that deal.

Well, why'd you tell me the last two offseason you'd give me next year?

We thought maybe we would.

It shut you up, didn't it?

The Shamar Stewart thing.

I love him going.

His representation's telling him something that doesn't make any sense to us, but it's not Shamar's fault.

It is the people around him's fault.

And I don't even know how we get past that is what the bangladesh.

That sounds like it's a dire situation as well.

It does.

Unless Shamar could babyface.

Shamar could babyface.

Now it would involve getting new representation.

Yeah.

Like that'd be an easy way to kind of do it.

And I'm not saying you should do that.

I understand him and his agent probably have a great relationship and they obviously trust each other mightily to cause this big of a situation.

But if Shamar, the player, really wanted to babyface this thing, easy.

New representation, yada, yada, this what we want to do.

I'm committed to the Bengals.

And then that thing turns immediately.

Now, I'm not saying the agent necessarily wants to be the bad cop in this whole thing, but if we're trying to make Shamar babyface in Cincinnati quickly, that can happen.

That is something that can...

The Trey Hendrickson thing.

I don't know if there's any...

No.

That feels not good.

That's done.

That feels not good.

So maybe he is trading tomorrow.

Could be.

Do you think Shamar, and I don't think this is the case, but do you think it's possible?

Sure feels like this is something that.

No, I'm just saying.

I feel like this is something.

Just throwing it out.

Do you think it's possible?

I don't know.

That he planned to rob a bank in three years.

And he was just, I'm not saying this thing.

And do you think he told the

told him that?

I'm going to be good.

I'm going to give everything I got to you guys for the next two years.

Year three.

I am planning to rob a bank.

So,

Mr.

Brown, have you ever seen the movie Inside Man?

This guy moves into the bank, takes time while robbing the bank.

I I always have wanted to find out if that is executable.

So I'm going to try that in the next four or five years.

That's just a heads up.

You take that information however you want.

Mike Brown is thank you for the information.

If I get arrested, I would still like to be paid.

I saw you didn't have that clause in your contract, so you will have to pay me.

So Mike Brown goes back into the think tank.

He goes, can't pay this guy.

He told me he's going to fucking rob a bank.

He's serious.

You want me to pay a guy that's in prison for robbing a bank?

I don't think so.

And then he even said, what's the one these players like to do nowadays?

talking about laws he did

he did did you hear that which part is that i i listened i don't know if i remember that part i don't want to play it because it's so terrible it is very bad it's like if a guy goes to prison for and then he says something he goes That's seemingly what everybody's doing these days.

That's the only way I can think of.

Yeah, I'm serious.

This whole thing is a nightmare.

PR life.

A really bad thing, too.

Yeah, it's not good.

Not a good thing.

Not a good thing.

Isn't there normal like

conduct detrimental to the team situations?

Is this above and beyond that that they're trying to ask Shamar or what?

So I think that conduct detrimental void penalties for rookie contracts is in what we heard, like half the league.

The Bengals not being a part of that half until this year is a surprise to all of us.

We would assume that the Bengals would have been in the, hey, we can void guarantees if you do something

because that is the Bengals MO2.

How can we save as much money as possible, especially if it's free?

If it's available, you would think that the Bengals would utilize it.

That is kind of, so the Bengals try to utilize that this year.

They didn't do it last year.

This is from how we understand the story at this moment, okay, from hearing from both sides.

So now he's being told, we're not doing, we're not your guinea pigs for something new.

But if he was drafted to 15 other teams, they would have done it as well.

So it's a tough thing to kind of,

I think, rally, allegedly, yeah.

It's a tough thing to rally with the information that we have right now.

But right now, it's like conduct detrimental, they can use that against you for the rest of your life.

I got conduct detrimental for a tweet that is still on the internet.

Saying I did not delete the tweet.

It was a good tweet.

And then I get a $50,000 fine for contact detroit.

What team was this detrimental to?

I didn't think this was not.

Well, you can't do that.

Well, I'm not taking it down.

I don't think it's wrong at all.

It was a distraction.

That's detrimental.

Distraction to who?

I played my best fucking game.

Well, it was, it misrepresented who we are.

It's detrimental to the team.

I'm like, oh, so you can just use this.

You had a tweet too, that guy?

You can just use this for anything.

Actually, two of Bengal, former Bengal, me and Ocho, kind of going back and forth.

And you're a fine for it.

And yeah, fine.

Why don't you let him know?

Just wait till we run cover two on you, motherfucker.

He was kind of saying, yeah, double team, blah, blah, blah.

And I was like, it's going to be me and you.

Me and you, no double team, blah.

And Bill was like, he waited till like Saturday.

We used to do a Saturday walkthrough.

We'd be, you know, Saturday pregame kind of walkthrough.

And he just waited.

And,

Buck, come here.

Boom.

Had like

just the sheets of just the back and forth printed out from fucking birds that gave it to him and then it just went down and then he kind of that when he told me I was basically giving away the the game plan, essentially.

But uh, it was worth it.

Still up there.

The um, I got it.

I got the I got one of these printed out to me as well.

Well, he had one for himself, uh-huh, and he slid it across to for me to look at.

Wanted to watch me take in what I was looking at.

And what I saw was a phenomenal post.

Fucking great caption.

Did you say that?

It's fucking perfectly captioned.

You say it pretty good, right?

Perfectly captioned.

The photo of the electrical outlet as if i was mr

kennedy

kennedy was awesome if you knew wrestling it was beautiful i even blurred out all the other stuff so it looked like it was a portrait photo oh caption was spot on for what my life would become whenever i retired as well so i looked at that thing i was like yeah i should frame this thing and

that was not the way it went it went the complete opposite way worth it it certainly was mine were were worth it.

Ocho had like a buck 40 on me.

I mean, it was.

That was detrimental.

It was a blowout.

It was there like 30 and a half times.

So Carson just, I mean, back there.

We're playing two men.

Just

a lot of those.

Yeah.

Well, let's get the hell out of here, huh?

Hell yeah.

This guy could get arrested.

Can they get super specific?

How specific can you get?

Could you go back and say, hey, all right, if I am convicted of a crime, you don't owe me my guarantees?

Like, does it get that

in-depth?

I guess in negotiations, it can be anything, right?

like we had to negotiate actual words on what we were allowed to say and what we weren't allowed to say and that was like i sent a pool of words that i would like to be said they responded i took a stand i gave some up and then those words were put into the contract okay okay

so yes i think you can add anything into a contract like that but i assume The Browns are going to think of a lot of different.

What if he goes swimming and drowns, dies?

I don't want to pay a dead guy.

No way.

What if this guy...

You think his Like the amount of things they could they could continue to think of.

What if he gets on a train and in a moment of panic, he gets out of the train, jumps in front of the train, gets run over by the train.

I don't want to pay a guy that just got run over by a fucking train.

Do you want to pay a guy run over?

They can think of any Jerry Jones saying, he get hit by a car.

Think of these, these billionaires.

He get hit by a car.

He gets arrested.

He gets shot in the face.

He can drown.

All these things.

It's like, yo, you got to pay people.

Like, this is fucking, this is the.

Got how it works this is the game well then you hear shamar stewart talk and it's like oh okay we love so i'm definitely i i definitely think this guy knows what he's doing but it just it's just that middleman you never know what's happening with who's in shamar's ear what's that called a reliable reliable narrator narrator yeah a reliable narrator is a big deal because they're the ones reading through the contract explaining what is going on just like whenever somebody decides to summarize an article or a bill or anything that's happening it's like you got to be very careful about who you're trusting that is summarizing it.

What pieces of information are they leaving out?

What piece of information are they presenting?

What story are they trying to tell?

Like you have to have a reliable person telling you those things.

And everything we've heard from Shamar, we love.

Seems

very

smart and clever.

Charming.

Charming.

Charming.

That is a promo from Rob Van Damme about the heartbreak kid, Sean Michael.

Yes.

Okay.

Althimer.

But it was like whenever we first heard this about Shamar, I think our immediate reaction was like, dude,

it's the NFL.

What are you doing?

Come on.

This league will exist without you.

This young dip shit needs to shut his mouth and sign his contract.

Then we heard him talking.

We're like, holy fuck.

This guy's very eloquent.

We really like that guy.

We really like that guy.

Very rational human.

And then we started hearing the entire thing and it's like, oh, I don't know.

And then we start getting more information about more team is doing it.

It's like,

the agent.

Don't want this to go bad.

We like Shamar.

We think he can be a great NFL player if he plays right?

Just needs a bunch of reps.

But also, this doesn't feel like the hill you want to die on to start your entire NFL career.

You obviously wish you would have went to a team that is still going to give you your guarantees if something happens, but it feels like from what we've been told, it's less than half.

So it's like, what situation are you really in?

What war do you want to start?

Pros and cons.

How do you want to do it?

It's just very fascinating.

Oh, yeah.

Just to start your career.

Only two unsigned guys, right?

Yep.

Whole class?

Yeah.

Yeah, him and Quinch on.

Yeah, Judikins.

Yeah, I mean, they got it figured out.

Gotcha.

Yeah, we'll see what happens.

They They need him on the field.

He knows that.

Don't you think his agent and Shamar, they understand?

Like, hey, they have some leverage here, I guess.

Well, that's like Chuck.

Shuck might be their starter.

Yeah.

So he had like real leverage everybody thought.

He was going to be able to work.

So then all the other second-rounders were like,

Yep.

He's going to get it.

This guy's later than us, right?

He's a starting quarter.

That New Orleans situation is fascinating.

I'll be excited to see what they are this year.

I believe they're.

They still got a lot of dogs.

I believe they're doing it.

No one's expecting much.

They could surprise some people.

For real.

People are forgetting about them.

I feel like.

They still have dogs on on their team.

Yeah, two of those.

D-Button.

You think Governor Jet Landry is going to have bad football teams in the city?

Training camp.

You know, everybody, 32 teams.

What did Tone say earlier?

Jets can win it.

Oh, yeah.

Everybody.

Governor Jet Landry's going to make sure that that Superdome is as super as possible.

Yeah, and it will be a Super Bowl.

Did you see?

Let's move on.

Let's get out of here.

What we're going to see.

Oh, man.

Well, we talked about a truth social post yesterday about a name of a team.

Yeah.

And we just read it for what it was.

I got a couple emails from people saying I shouldn't say that word.

Okay.

Which I understand.

There's passion on both sides of it.

I believe President Trump was just nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize by Native Americans.

I believe.

I believe that just happened.

Wow.

And Governor Jeff Landry was the one that announced that because I believe that particular group is based in Louisiana.

So it's an interesting time to be alive right now for sure.

We're trying to get it right, you know.

But boy, how could you?

You know, how the fuck can you?

How could you?

You really, how can you?

I have no idea.

But just know all we're trying to do is make every day a little better.

And we appreciate everybody that follows along.

We're the luckiest dudes on earth that we get to talk about sports every single day.

We love sports.

Sports are happening in a big way.

I love done.

AJ, great hair, you growing it out this year?

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Yeah, I don't know.

But before we get out, you mentioned.

Oh,

no, no, no, it's not like that.

You mentioned drowning, Lost a legend.

Yeah, for sure.

Oh, my God.

Be safe out there.

Absolute legend.

I grew up, you know, I'm sure we all watched the Cosby's growing up, but he, you know, Theo, absolute legend.

So that was, that was, that was tough yesterday.

Got that news, I think, right after we got our show, we went in the think tank, and all of us kind of had the similar reaction.

So obviously, be safe when you're out there swimming anywhere, especially in the ocean, but tough, tough loss to everybody out there.

So rest in peace to an absolute legend.

Yeah, rest in peace.

Society lost a great one.

The water shit, scary, scary

is scary.

So, the riptide thing, you know, like uh,

you have no idea what's going on underneath that water.

They know, no idea.

So, I live on water now, about 45 minutes north here.

There's a lake that I live on, and every once in a while, the tide will get rolling in there and you see people getting the water and then them just rolling.

It's like, what's that come from?

It's a lake.

What's it?

You have no idea.

And then it will just flip and go the other way.

It's scary, and uh, that sucks for society.

Uh, sucks for society.

Also, breaking news.

Um,

I believe Ozzy Osborne

has passed away.

No way.

He just did his last

concert.

Yeah, they went home.

And

age of 76.

Ozzy Osborne has sadly passed away.

He says, disgusting film.

Sat down and performed, what was that, last weekend?

Yeah.

I think over in England.

And they're coming home.

Basically, every rock band that is alive went over there and celebrated him and his band.

And

man what a lot i remember the reality show i remember sharon yeah the whole thing what a weapon well rest in peace to the legends that we lose

and uh let's enjoy the hell out of the days that we have we have no idea what's tomorrow right

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