PMS 2.0 1361 - US Open Recap, NBA Finals Game 5 Preview, Quentin Richardson, Jeff Passan, Jackie Redmond, Shams Charania, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Overreaction Monday, June 16th, 2025, this program starts right now.

Speaker 1 Sports are happening all around us. Don't look now.
We have a tide NBA Final Series. Don't look now.
We have a brand new U.S. Open champion.
Don't look now.

Speaker 1 We are one game away potentially from a back-to-back Lord Stanley Cup winner in the Florida Panthers. Sports are awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, even the Pope let off his Father's Day sermon with chit-chatting about the greatness of sports.

Speaker 1 And I think I'd like to start right there, actually, because every day we get the opportunity to chit-chat about sports. And I feel like we have a passion for sports more than most people.

Speaker 1 We are lucky to enjoy the hell out of sports. We are lucky that my entire life, and I assume a lot of boys in here as well, has literally been committed to sports.
Mr.

Speaker 1 Pope said, in a society marked by solitude, where radical individualism has shifted the emphasis instead of emphasis from us to me, resulting in a deficit of real concern for others, sport, especially team sports, teaches the value of cooperating, working together, and sharing.

Speaker 1 These are at the very heart. of God's own life.
Amen, amen.

Speaker 1 In an increasingly digital society where technology brings distant people closer together, yet often creates distances between those who are physically close, sport proves a valuable and concrete means of bringing individuals together, providing a healthier sense of the body of space, effort, and real time.

Speaker 1 It helps to preserve a healthy contact with nature and with real life, where genuine love is experienced. Amen, Mr.
Pope. Amen, Mr.
Pope.

Speaker 1 He would continue in our competitive society where it seems that only the strong and winners deserve to live. Sport also teaches us how to lose.

Speaker 1 It forces us in learning the art of losing to confront our fragility, our limitations, and our imperfections. It is through the experience of these limits that we open our hearts to hope.

Speaker 1 Athletes who never make mistakes, who never lose, do not exist.

Speaker 1 Amen, Mr. Pope.
Amen, Pope. Amen, Mr.
Pope. Sports are the greatest.
Sports bring people together, and sports are happening all the time. I'd like to add there, Mr.

Speaker 1 Pope, if you don't mind, I don't want to, you know, step on any

Speaker 1 cloaks. Yeah, papal gowns.
Yeah, papal gowns or anything like that.

Speaker 1 I don't want to step on anything like that.

Speaker 1 Your. Your Excellency.
Your

Speaker 2 Highness.

Speaker 1 Your Holiest of Holies. Yeah, I don't want want to do that.
Also, learning to buy into something obviously bigger than yourself. Talk about teamwork.
But working when tired, too.

Speaker 1 You know, like working whenever you're tired. You don't feel good, but you still got to show up for other people.
Sports are the greatest. And we're lucky as hell that we get to cover them.

Speaker 1 Shout out to sports. Shout out to this weekend.
And shout out to the people that will be joining us. Quentin Richardson will join us in a matter of 13 minutes.

Speaker 1 He's a 13-year NBA veteran, obviously a friend of the program. He's going to be pretty pumped up by what Okleba said he did to the Pacers.

Speaker 1 Started sports books, who I called out.

Speaker 1 Stephen A. Smith, Smith, who I called out, was with him.
Yeah, they were all right. Okay, Oklahoma City got a big win on Friday.

Speaker 1 That's yours. Yeah, UD obviously said tonight.
I like the Pacers in seven. I do not like the Pacers tonight in Indiana.
And he was right. Everybody was right.

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City covers in Indianapolis, Indiana, as the Thunder with Scott Foster on the call.

Speaker 1 Not me.

Speaker 1 Other people are saying a lot of things about Scott Foster.

Speaker 1 NBA people are saying a lot of things about Scott Foster. It's wild.
They even have a nickname for this guy. I had no idea.
Everybody's kind of looking dry. He's the extender.
Yep.

Speaker 1 That's the extender. We're going to ask Q Rich about that.
We're going to ask Q Rich about it. 71 free throws in one game.

Speaker 1 Okay, now the boys playing cuff, I guess, more tough than they had been for the first three games. Nonetheless, it's 2-2.

Speaker 1 And everybody that had to Oklahoma City Thunder were the best team in the league all year to go ahead and dominate the Pacers.

Speaker 1 They certainly showcased an ability to do that at different times, including at the very end of the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 You know, when the Pacers made mistakes that they hadn't made all run, I can't wait to talk to Q Rich then. We'll also talk to Jeff Passon because we talk about how awesome sports are.

Speaker 1 And obviously, we know that the Pope is a sports fan. He's been seen with the Chicago White Sox hat on.

Speaker 1 And although the Chicago White Sox aren't a team we talk about a lot here, we love them, though, Pope.

Speaker 1 Mr. Pope, we love that they exist.
We love that people are fans of theirs and everything like that. Tonight, it's showtime.

Speaker 1 Shohey Otani will be back on the bump, pitching in the majors for the Los Angeles Dodgers against the San Diego Padres. They call them the Slam Diego Padres.

Speaker 1 We're talking about big bats bopping big wood. And Shohei Otani's back on the bump.

Speaker 1 He's pitched in three sim sim games.

Speaker 1 I'm not 100% sure what that is. We'll talk to Jeff Passon about that.
He's throwing 44 pitches.

Speaker 1 They say this guy, he's doing good.

Speaker 1 He's ready. That's right.
He's doing good. Feels good.
Five.

Speaker 1 A couple years back, this guy, the reason why we love him so much, not only because he's an incredible batter and not only because he's incredibly beloved in Japan, which is obviously making the sport more popular worldwide.

Speaker 1 Not that it wasn't popular in Japan already. Jesus, we did a COVID break with you guys.
We appreciate the Asian love of a sport of baseball.

Speaker 1 But what Shohei Otani has done for the MLB, what he has done for for every team he's been a part of, whenever he was with the Angels, the reason why we learned about him is because this guy was Babe Ruth.

Speaker 1 There hadn't been somebody since Babe Ruth who was doing the things that Shohei Otani was doing. He was pitching over 100 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 He was hitting balls off the bat over 100 miles an hour, first player to ever do that. And then he won the Super Duper World Classic.

Speaker 1 on the mound against the United States Mike Trout. And it's like this guy is not only one of the best pitchers in the world, he might be the best hitter in the world.

Speaker 1 And now we have an opportunity to see if he's going to be able to do this for the rest of his career. Because all any of the baseball peer said was, this guy can't major major in both, brother.

Speaker 1 So I happen to be a punter and a kicker coming out of college, okay? Kicking field goals and punting. Much less important to the game than what Johan's doing.

Speaker 1 I'm not acting like that as a thing, but it's two very different kicking motions. It's a lot of reps.

Speaker 1 The amount of practice you need for one of those things to be the top 32 in the world, let alone two of those things to be top 32 in the world, no real NFL coaches or scouts thought there was an opportunity to do both.

Speaker 1 I thought I had the ability to be able to do both. I was mistaken.

Speaker 1 Now, I assume there will be somebody that comes along that's strong enough because the strength you have to have in your arm, that amount of pitches, then also, hey, we're going to be batting whenever we're not pitching.

Speaker 1 Every day we're working. Pitchers usually get that break.
You know, they have all that shit. He wouldn't be able to do that.
Then to focus on hitting a ball, it's incredibly difficult.

Speaker 1 That's why people's best averages are like 300 or something, only 30%.

Speaker 1 So to be able to focus on hitting enough to become and remain one of the elite hitters in the league while also becoming a pitcher that is one of the elite pitchers in the world seems impossible.

Speaker 1 But if anybody can do it, Shohay Otani.

Speaker 1 And we will find out if that'll be what the rest of his career looks like starting tonight, or if he's going to fade back away from pitching and just be the hitting machine that he's become for the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 1 Jet Passen will give us more information on that in about 30 minutes or so. In the second hour, we have TNT ringside reporter and WWE Raw

Speaker 1 commentator, Jockie Redmond, joining us in the second hour to chit-chat about this Florida Panthers team. Man.

Speaker 1 Florida Panthers in the third straight Standing Cup finals as the reigning Stanley Cup champions

Speaker 1 have been absolutely dominant. They tricked off a 3-0 lead that gave Edmonton Oilers supporters and hockey fans as a whole a little bit of hope that this thing might continue.

Speaker 1 And then in Edmonton, in their bun, just go ahead and they 5-2 this thing, but it was really 4-1 game.

Speaker 1 And Marshawn, who got traded from the Boston Bruins to the Florida Panthers, Florida Panthers reigning Stanley Cup champions, get Marshand traded to their team, fits in absolutely perfectly.

Speaker 1 Now he's potentially going to win the ConSmyth Award, which is the MVP of the playoffs for the Florida Panthers. And I put a tweet out yesterday as it was kind of all unfolding.
It's like,

Speaker 1 yeah, it might have been an act of grand theft by this Florida Panthers franchise. And the Florida Panthers fans are going to say, yeah.
Just like we said it was.

Speaker 1 They are the state of hockey is how they believe. And Boston's not just trading away hockey players.
No. They're trading away baseball players as well.

Speaker 1 And then we'll have Sham Sharania joining us at about 1.40 to discuss all the things happening around the NBA. The Toxic Tables here at Boston Connor at Ty Schmidt.
Ty Schmidt, Happy Father's Day.

Speaker 1 I hope it was a great one for you, sir. Thank you.
It was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 A little more so now that the kids are getting a little bit older and it's not just like, you know, changing diapers and doing bottles and stuff like that. You actually get to play with them.

Speaker 2 I know you guys had the same opportunity. So

Speaker 2 it was incredible.

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, anytime you get to spend, you know, like a full day with your kids,

Speaker 2 it's the best. So, and the weather was good.
Yesterday was a great weekend.

Speaker 1 It really was. It was fantastic.
I did a little painting. I'll do a little painting.
Yeah, boom. Oh, yeah.
It's my daughter's dinosaur. We painted this together.
Hers much nicer than mine.

Speaker 1 I don't know the rhyme or reason, but this particular dinosaur

Speaker 1 very loud. I will say this thing is probably...
It was,

Speaker 1 oh, Jesus.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I read the Pope, though, so remember that.

Speaker 2 Yep,

Speaker 2 perfect.

Speaker 3 Actually, dinosaurs and Jesus got along quite well.

Speaker 1 That was all true. Well, I don't know.
There's a lot of conversation about the conversation, you know, about all of those. And then a lot of the

Speaker 1 aliens, you drop those into that combo, too.

Speaker 1 Everything really starts. It gets a little messy.
Yeah, it does. But sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my daughter and I kicking around the soccer ball yesterday. Got pretty excited.
She was able to do it. Great Father's Day weekend, but great sport.

Speaker 1 And you know, Father's Day weekend always brings a tournament that, of course, kicks the shit out of the golfer. Let's go to one half of the hammer.
Die.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, AP Tone, Tone, Happy Father's Day to you as well. U.S.
Open. Oak Mont really started showing her teeth.
Oh,

Speaker 1 she did.

Speaker 1 And there was one golfer, a guy that seemingly his story was, was, could never win. This guy, good golfer, beloved by everybody, could never win.
Now you're a U.S.

Speaker 1 Open champion, has to feel good for J.J. Spawn.
But Oakmont really showcased itself, as did Pittsburgh. Everything we've been talking about when it comes to Pittsburgh,

Speaker 1 there was. You saw the elevation, the hills, crazy, absolutely crazy.
We saw the person with the putter from 122 yards out, right down the hill onto the green.

Speaker 1 Beautiful touch by that person, by the way. I don't know how they got that to eight feet.
That's a wild thing with how good those golfers are. The rain.
Hey, it's going to rain.

Speaker 1 It was actually

Speaker 1 a percentage of days in a year where precipitation happened.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh, I believe, was more in Seattle and like all these other places that a lot of people say there's a lot of rain, a lot of rain, a lot of rain.

Speaker 1 It'll rain in Pittsburgh. That's why they're ready for this thing.
And just like the president of the U.S.

Speaker 1 Open Super Chair said immediately afterwards, the amount of Yinsers that committed and volunteered to take care of this course, and obviously the people that work and the groundskeepers at Oak Bond Country Club got an award at the end of it.

Speaker 1 They were taking care of. 200, some thousand people came through, even with the rain delays.

Speaker 1 I feel like everything that was Pittsburgh was being celebrated at the Oakmont this weekend, but she was kicking some ass, AP Tone.

Speaker 3 Yeah, let's start right there with the course and let's talk about her. She did show her teeth as the tournament went on.
Thursday was the most gettable it was going to be.

Speaker 3 The leader was at minus four on Thursday, and then that number was not exceeded the rest of the tournament.

Speaker 3 1,541 players have played at Oakmont during a U.S. Open.
Only 29 of them have finished under par. That is 1.8%.

Speaker 3 And you saw

Speaker 3 some of the best golfers that have ever played golf just so incredibly frustrated all weekend long. Rory

Speaker 3 was very, very frustrated. He did make the cut, though, but I mean, one of the coolest club tosses of all on purpose.

Speaker 1 A lot of people said he was mad. I think he was just like, I can do good stuff.
It looks like I can't do anything good because I'm golfing right now. But look, I can bang.
Boom.

Speaker 1 I noticed for a little bit, I liked what he did there. That wasn't his only club throw.
No,

Speaker 1 Rory was letting those things fly a little bit out there. He's been frustrated, and then he's a broken box.
How you don't keep it moving. He's Okmon.
Somebody went after it, Locker him.

Speaker 1 The thought of Rory right now, we would like to let Rory know. Hey, it's gonna be all right, bud.
Yep,

Speaker 1 this team shall pass. Whatever it is, whatever it is, there's something.
It's something. There's something.
You know, and he's missing the interviews. Something.

Speaker 1 And then he's talking to him, going like, yeah, I'm allowed to not be interviewed. Are you, do you think the PGA should change that? No, I think it's a really nice thing that they actually have.

Speaker 1 And they give him his answers, then the body language on the course, the way he's playing, the way he's reacting. It's like, it feels like there's a lot.

Speaker 1 And maybe it has just been the weight of being the PGA tour. You know, Rory really put it upon himself.
He was kind of being considered Mr. PGA there for a while.

Speaker 1 And then whenever he would go into majors and then the live guys would get there, it was like Rory was being dependent. Hey,

Speaker 1 you need to represent here for the history of golf, not just for now, but for the the history and the good of our sport that is so based off of tradition, you need to save all the history.

Speaker 1 For a long time, it was that way for Rory. Then, obviously, there was some personal stuff that happened we all heard about.

Speaker 1 And then now he's back to the game, won the Masters, and then it's like the way he's acting, it feels like there's something going on. Yeah,

Speaker 1 hey, soft. What? Whoa, you don't know that? No, but I mean, the greatest crowning achievement in the guy's life happened this year at the Masters, and we're already crying about something.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, sorry, dude, you're Royal freaking McElroy. Everyone wants to talk to you.
Okay, it's the U.S. Open.
I agree. He has earned the right to do whatever he wants.
Which he actually said.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which he said. And I think that is a very valid thing because he does have a grand slam.
But quit your bitching and moaning. Okay, Rory.
Everyone's not having a good time.

Speaker 1 I genuinely think everyone who was golfing this weekend, aside from JJ Spawn, had a miserable time. Wow, JJ Spawn even had a miserable time there for a bit.
Go ahead, Tone. He did.

Speaker 3 He had a miserable time to start yesterday's round. He bogied five of the first six holes.
Now, he caught a bad break.

Speaker 3 He hit it off the flagstick with and it rolled back i don't know and you talked about the hills 300 yards here he is uh second hole yes second hole he was starting as he started his day with the bogey looked really good here puts it to i don't know two feet hits off the flagpole and then dude this thing it's like a steel phantom yeah

Speaker 1 it's going down a roller coaster right there steel phantom back up and operating

Speaker 1 okay yeah and he's bowing that stuff every once in a while it stops said dropping you off it says hold on we got to pause for a second like that it was plum kennywood day too happy they got that fixed everybody needs

Speaker 1 allegedly Plums Kennywood Day. Nonetheless, this ball rolls all the way back to his feet.
He's getting bullied by the course.

Speaker 3 Yeah, JJ Spawn shot a 40 on the front nine. It looked like he was out of it.
And then the course and the rain really showed up.

Speaker 3 There was an hour and 40 minute rain delay where we got to see Tiger 2008 U.S. Open.

Speaker 1 Just absolutely dawn. That was fun.
Awesome. How about when he's laughing and covering his face? Yeah.
I can't believe that went in. He knows.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Now that we know looking back who he is, it's like he's laughing like that because he's like, I'm better.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm so much better than all these guys.

Speaker 1 The putts he was making. And he is, by the way, rolling that summit, just like on the 18th, which we should go to here for JJ Spawn.

Speaker 3 Yeah, JJ Spawn on the 18th, after his approach shot, he puts it to 64 feet. He has to two-putt here to win the U.S.
Open.

Speaker 1 Or they would delay it till this morning for extra holes.

Speaker 3 He does not two-putt. He sinks the thing for a birdie.
Birdie's the last two to win the 125th U.S. Open at Oakmont in dramatic fashion.
That's obviously his wife and kids there.

Speaker 3 One of his kids was thrown up at 3 a.m. the night before.
He had to go to a CVS.

Speaker 1 Which we have been to that CVS, I believe. Yes, we have.

Speaker 3 It's a beautiful CVS.

Speaker 1 Great CVS. Always got your back, including at 3 a.m.
If your kids puking, J.J. Spawn rolls in there and says, well, we're going to get some Pepto or something in here.
Don't we need something?

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, you win the U.S. Open later that afternoon on Father's Day with your coaches.
We're the two that were jumping and hugging each other at the beginning. Hey, maybe J.J.

Speaker 1 Spawn comes and moves. I know they kept saying he's from California, he's from California.
I think he might be be a Yenser.

Speaker 1 I think he needs to come to Pittsburgh and maybe experience life a little bit better.

Speaker 3 He was 150 to 1 to win the tournament when it started. That is the second longest over the last decade.
Phil was 250 to 1 when he won the 2021 PGA.

Speaker 3 And that 64-foot putt was the longest all week long from anyone in the tournament.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the 65 was the lowest. It was like the fourth lowest in the history of the opener at Oakmont.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and his first round, his first round, he started off.

Speaker 3 He had the lowest front nine of all time with a 31. And then he didn't bogey in that first round either, which he is the only second round, second player to do that at the last two Oakmont opens.

Speaker 1 Greg Harvey between the nums,

Speaker 1 statistical genius on X. He does give him up.

Speaker 1 He's doing really well. Greg is rolling right now.
Players in at least 60 years to win the U.S. Open despite having a bogey or worse on five of the first six holes in final day.
J.J.

Speaker 1 Spunny, that's a tough start. Mental toughness.
3 a.m. CVS.
Okay, so that's going to CVS.

Speaker 1 You're driving like this. This ain't no easy drive either.
Doesn't know where he's going. He's in Pittsburgh.
These roads are.

Speaker 3 Shout out to 24-hour CVS.

Speaker 1 Yeah, shout out to Pittsburgh, too, for being a great host. But these roads, this shit is, you're in there now.
Down Holler, you know,

Speaker 1 you're going down in there. So he's not back to bed until what, 4:35, probably.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Maybe he's just up for the rest of the day.
Exactly. He gets that first hole.

Speaker 1 This sucks. Dang.
Bogey. Second hole.
Ah, let me line this thing up perfectly, I guess. Boom.
Hits off the flags that comes rolling back to him. He's like, what'd I do? Okay.
What'd I do to you?

Speaker 1 Asking the golf gods. Then he'd go on to have three more bogeys.

Speaker 1 And then somehow he's still able to process, keep positive, and finish that thing off, especially when the course had been beating everybody's ass. He said the rain break was a good refresh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was able to hit the reset button. Golf's impossible.
Watching those guys bum out. Like burns having a full crash out there.
Oh, man. Dude, I liked the way he was golfing.
Yeah. I loved what he was.

Speaker 1 He was absolutely going after it. And this was a big scene because how much water kind of exploded whenever he hit that.
He said, I should have got relief.

Speaker 1 He asked two officials if he'd get relief because there was a standing water rule. We were trying to look it up, figure it out earlier.
We're not super golf people. We apologize.

Speaker 1 That's where the ball was sitting. Look how much water is rolling around.
The entire course was flooded. JJ Spawn actually on his,

Speaker 1 I don't know what iron it was. Cool.

Speaker 3 I think it was a six, if I remember.

Speaker 1 Maybe six or seven iron. Two hole, 202 yards here.
He's hitting it. There's water that exploded as he hit it as well.
I think the entire course was obviously drenched from the rain that had come down.

Speaker 1 But you saw a lot of guys, you know, act out of the ordinary. That's U.S.
Open football.

Speaker 1 That is U.S. Open Football.
Shout out to Oakmont. Shout out to NBC for the coverage all weekend.
Shout out to JJ Spawn being the new U.S. Open champ and his family.

Speaker 1 I love the way they all reacted, too. His kids are sitting here with him.

Speaker 1 Coach is going crazy. He's crying.
It's Caddy jumping on top of him

Speaker 1 on the green. And then the reactions from everybody as they watch him kind of do it.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Even McIntyre, who's back there in the scoring room, potentially waiting to see if there's the overtime holes. He goes, wow.
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow. That's ball magnet.
Holy shit, man. Wow.

Speaker 1 I guess you win. Yeah, that's the way it goes.
Massive myths, that guy. Oh, yeah.
Massive frying pants as he's smacking those things back and forth. Congrats to J.J.
Spawn.

Speaker 1 Feels like everybody loves him. Now,

Speaker 3 did he play his best? No. He was visibly frustrated all week long on the range for hours after.
Scotty Scheffler still finished in seventh.

Speaker 1 I thought there was a time he was going to come back. Yeah, with he was like plus four and uh four under, I think was when they started.

Speaker 1 And nobody had, I think it was a combined score of like four over or something in the last two groups, there's three groups.

Speaker 1 They were talking about how every, everybody that was at the top of the leaderboard was working its way this way. And everybody down here was just kind of waiting for him to kind of fall down to him.

Speaker 1 I was like, is Scotty about to

Speaker 1 cost 20,000? I threw a couple on it just because.

Speaker 1 Because if he if he ends up even, you know, I mean, which Scotty scheffler certainly could oh yeah at that time of the day it's like there's a chance that he's really in this winner at one under is insane and that's exactly how the u.s open likes it he birdied 17 to go three over and at that point the leaders i think were all at plus one uh that was before spawn went birdie birdie uh and then he bogeyed 18.

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Speaker 1 Joining us now is our NBA expert, ladies and gentlemen, 13-year NBA veteran, friend of the program, quinn richardson yanky race sweet shirt you look cool what's up fellas what's up you look really cool right now really really cool i mean thank you looking at the whole setup here we got uh we got a jordan golf bag back there obviously we got that has to be five

Speaker 1 five shoe boxes stacked on top of each other at least over your right shoulder there

Speaker 4 It's actually, I'm still, I got a, my wife is on me right now. So excuse it.
It's like, it's actually shoes all the way across the bottom of here. You can't really see them here.

Speaker 1 I was talking.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 And those are definitely all shoes with the, what culminating with the three-point contest trophy. You know, I did that.
That was 2005 three-point contest champion. That can't never go nowhere.

Speaker 1 Leather ball inside. Yep.
Leather ball inside.

Speaker 1 That's where that trophy was won. Yeah,

Speaker 1 rubber ball outside, 20-mile-an-hour wins. Couldn't be tough.
No change. Speaking of tough, the Pacers ran into, you know, another one here with Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 Late in the fourth, Pacers kind of give this one away.

Speaker 1 The big conversation about it, though, and I tweeted it out in the first quarter because it appeared as if there was some biases going against the Indiana Pacers with some of these calls.

Speaker 1 Now, that was literally in the first quarter. As the game would continue to roll on, I think the Pacers got some favorable calls as well.

Speaker 1 But 71 free throws in a finals game, obviously the most in the history.

Speaker 1 And then that immediately starts a conversation about Scott Foster, who obviously we all know because he's been reffing in the NBA for a thousand years.

Speaker 1 Literally everybody has basically the same opinion about Scott Foster, it seems like, except for Rick Carlisle. Shout out, coach.
Out of baby Coach Carlisle.

Speaker 1 Win him over. We might have him.
Might have him next game. Coach, that's a good call.

Speaker 1 But what is it about Scott Foster you think that draws such a reaction from everybody, former players, media, fans, you name it?

Speaker 1 I mean, this guy takes 17 steps here, pushes off, then hits it, knocks it down right in front of Tyrese's family. I mean, there's a lot.
There's a lot happening there.

Speaker 1 But why is Scott Foster such a lightning rod? and what are your thoughts on officiating in the nba as a whole because it feels like they can call that whenever they want

Speaker 4 yeah i mean my my thoughts i mean i've always had you know i've gotten my fair share of technicals let me let me say that i've gotten i've gotten ejected and tossed out of a few games i've gotten my technicals my flagrance and all of those things so i get it but um for me man i think Everything has such a microscope on it.

Speaker 4 For it to be foul play, I mean, everything,

Speaker 4 you just spoke about how many players, how many articles, how many different people people have talked about Scott Foster, how he's a lightning rod. So to me, I know how thorough the NBA is.

Speaker 4 I know they cross their T's and dot their I's. So when I look at everything, I just got to say that when they do the reviews, he comes out clean because he's one of the highest graded officials.

Speaker 4 He works the finals every year and things like that. And those guys that don't do well, they don't get those privileges.

Speaker 4 They don't get to do all-star games and playoff games and ultimately the final game.

Speaker 4 This is as big a deal for them to get to do these as it is for the teams.

Speaker 1 That right there was called a flagrant, All right, let's react. Caruso won bananas, which we will talk about here again.
Yeah, this call.

Speaker 4 Dog, you guys got to love Caruso, man.

Speaker 1 You got to love.

Speaker 4 I know you don't want his team to win, but you got to respect what he does out there, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, all Italy team. Yeah, we love Caruso.
We are big Paisan Caruso fans. And when I got the microphone in the fourth quarter, once again, I was asked if I would like to do this.

Speaker 1 This is not like me saying, oh, no, you don't want to give me it. And now that we've lost the game, by the way, okay.
Hey, do it. I was undefeated there for a little bit.

Speaker 1 We need to go ahead and change up a little bit of the attitude.

Speaker 1 But whenever I was gonna, I was literally thinking about going, hey, Caruso, relax, literally, because I thought like maybe he would get it.

Speaker 1 But the last thing we needed is Pat McFee calls out player during NBA Finals. Like that, that didn't want to, I didn't want to get off.

Speaker 1 But he was awesome to watch on Friday, as was the fact that the Shea dude's unbelievable. Coach Daggs obviously had a response.
Lud Dorton at Dortcha Chambers, a real deal.

Speaker 1 Pacers, obviously, the team that I am pooling for, the team that I am wishing would win the NBA Finals so that we can have a Larry O parade around the city. It would be great.

Speaker 1 But the Pacers didn't finish. The Pacers are great in the fourth quarter.
We missed a couple big-time free throws. We threw up some air balls late whenever we would normally knock those shots down.

Speaker 1 Why do you think that was the case? Was that OKC forcing the Pacers to play bad late? Or do you think that was the Pacers? just not showing up in this particular case.

Speaker 4 No, I think the Pacers showed up. I think if you really review it and go back and look at it, that last five, four or five minutes, man, OKC looked like who they had been the whole season.

Speaker 4 They were the best defensive team in the NBA and they locked up. Like, you got to give credit to Chad Hongman because they were kind of seeking him out in the pick and roll, trying to ISO him.

Speaker 4 And he was out there contesting. He was moving his feet.
He was getting there with his length. He can contest shots late and that he deterred shots.

Speaker 4 I mean, I can't speak for the free throws the guys missed, but the actual plays out there, they defended them well, man.

Speaker 4 They turned their defense way up like you say Caruso he was getting deflections and and and deflecting passes and getting in the passing lane J Dubb turned up defensively Shea had a block on a on a on a Halley Burton three-point contest so yeah they their defense way up and it was in the best time to do it then you know Shea after that that little stumble shot you guys didn't like where you thought he pushed off it was a free throw contest from there they just made more free throws than him it was no field goals made yeah Matherin who has been great for us and obviously a lot of people talking about him being one of the only guys in the history of the NBA Finals being under the age of 22 and having 25 plus points in game three of the NBA Finals, he missed it too late that he would never.

Speaker 1 very i mean that would never happen again and that basically puts it away because it was four point game could have been three point game could have been two point game instead it stays at four we have to foul this thing's over and they cover

Speaker 1 which is a uh which is a heartbreaker q rich especially whenever you call out the sports books let's look ahead to tonight do you think the pacers are able to respond Because they haven't lost back-to-backs since March.

Speaker 1 I know that's not as long as the Oklahoma City Thunder, but the Pacers also have a bounce back factor in their resume as well.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, this is, this is, this is, to me, the team, I know, I know it's not popular to say, I feel like whoever wins this game tonight wins the series. I truly do.

Speaker 4 I think, I think the, you know, I mean, I know it's a lot of stats that go that way, but I'm just going off the way that this series has gone.

Speaker 4 Because if you just go off the next three games, one win, one win, one win.

Speaker 4 Like you said, if the Pacers stick today, they didn't lose back-to-back games, then you favor them because you expect them to win tonight, and then OKC win game six, and then Pacers win game seven, right?

Speaker 4 So for me, it's whoever wins this game tonight.

Speaker 4 Obviously, you go up 3-2 and you take control, but I think they actually win the next game following that.

Speaker 4 I think it ends in six. Big.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Okay.

Speaker 1 That could be great now. I like that.
I like that. These Pacers win the help.

Speaker 1 That could be great.

Speaker 4 I told you boys boys when I was there,

Speaker 4 I am not like some guy with the pom-poms for OKC or Indiana. I'm here for good basketball.

Speaker 4 I don't have a horse in the race. And, you know, like I said, if I was going to be doing the Homer thing, it would be for the Magic.
But we all know they're not there right now.

Speaker 4 It's on two teams, and they aren't one of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we will talk about them in a matter of moments. Let's finish up the NBA Finals, Convo, before we talk about the Orlando Magic wheeling and dealing.
You get 100 first-round picks.

Speaker 1 We'll talk about that here in a second.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Oklahoma City's atmosphere is about to be insane tonight. I got a text from Big Perk before he said it on air.
He was like, you need to come. Oklahoma City and experience that.

Speaker 1 And he said on the post show, he said, nobody needs to get on a microphone and tell everybody to make noise either. I thought that was hilarious.

Speaker 1 Like, I saw a lot of people saying, like, shut up, Perk. I disagree with that completely.

Speaker 1 I loved everything that Perk said, especially because the standing ovation that Perk got at that place a couple weeks back whenever he was out there. I love that he's representing for them.

Speaker 1 them and I hope tonight is an insane environment because the Pacers thrive in that. On that note, we need one Pacer to start thriving again.
Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Q Rich, what do the Pacers need to do to get Miles Turner going?

Speaker 2 Because outside of the kind of down the stretch in game three where he had a couple big defensive stops, blocks, that kind of stuff, he's kind of been a non-factor in the series.

Speaker 2 And obviously, like they, they need his production a little bit more to try to beat the Thunder. So what do they need to do to kind of get him comfortable and get him going early tonight?

Speaker 4 they need to get him some some some easy buckets man they need to get him a live play or a layup at the rim not most of his shots if you notice they're a three-pointer or a 17 18 footer it's not a lot of things going to the basket getting him downhill or him getting the ball at the rim so i feel like for as a big man i mean anybody period when you don't have the ball in your hand much and then you you just out there playing it then next you know you get an open shot it's It's not always easy to just catch it and you haven't had the feel of the ball and then just start making shots.

Speaker 4 Sometimes it happens, but sometimes it doesn't. I feel like for him as a big man,

Speaker 4 he hasn't had a real feel for the game.

Speaker 4 So like he needs to get something closer to the basket where he get fouled, get some free throws or get something easy before it's actually like swing, swing and he's shooting a deep three or swing, swing and he's shooting a step back or something like that where he has to make a move and shoot a jump shot right away.

Speaker 1 Let's take the lid off this thing. Let's make the hoop a little bigger.
Let's get some easy ones in here. Let's see if go through the bucket a little bit is what you're saying.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I feel the same way. You know, if we're shooting in here,

Speaker 1 those first couple fall,

Speaker 1 can't tell me nothing.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That hoop's this big.
That hoop is this big. That's why when Tyrese thinks about pulling it early tonight, pull it.
Pull it. Pull it, Tyrese.
Because if that thing... Hey, why don't you...

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe think about having one here. Yeah, Tyrese.
Maybe time to have one. Yeah, and if you were thinking about having one, now would be the time.

Speaker 2 To actually have one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he should do that all the time. Yeah.
Excited to watch tonight. Let's move away from the NBA Finals.
Thunder, nine and a half point favorites at home tonight.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying anything.

Speaker 1 We're game one, too. Pays plus 10.
I mean... Kind of late.
Well, they've won 10 straight after all.

Speaker 1 Think about having one there. Thinking about

Speaker 1 this would be one. Think about having one.
Think about having one. Yeah.
Haven't lost back-to-back games since March. And once again, I called out Sportsbooks very loudly.

Speaker 1 And they were right in that particular case. So I don't want to

Speaker 1 say too much here and wouldn't want to

Speaker 1 give advice on anybody on what you should bet on because we were in that world for a few years.

Speaker 1 It's the worst world to be in because people tell you that their kids can't have Christmas anymore because you think that fucking football team was going to score points.

Speaker 1 So that's not a good world to be in. But just know that I, me, myself, like the Indiana Pacers plus nine and a half.
There. Okay.
I like Tricky Ricky plus nine and a half. Tricky Ricky.
Bingo.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's move away from the NBA Finals and let's go to stuff happening in your neck of the woods. Go ahead, Conman.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Q Rich, Desmond Bain was disrespected immensely over the weekend when he got traded to the Orlando Magic for four firsts. Contavious, Caldwell, Pulp, and Cole Anthony.

Speaker 1 I believe I saw a stat at the Orlando Magic were last in three-point percentage and three-pointers. And it kind of makes sense going back to last year because they made that huge run at...

Speaker 1 Clay Thompson before inevitably losing out on him. What do you think about this trade? And do the Orlando Magic immediately become one of the better teams in the East?

Speaker 1 And because of this, do you think Giannis gets traded for 15 first round picks?

Speaker 4 I don't think so, man. My understanding of the draft picks and things like that is that

Speaker 4 the Magic were about to be in that first apron. And I think the moves that they made and doing it this way kind of relieves that and gets them out of that.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 I think that's what it's supposed to be doing, moving forward. But I hated to see KCP go.
That's my young boy from Detroit. He actually lives in literally the same neighborhood as me.

Speaker 4 We're neighbors, our kids, and our wives are friends. So I hated for that to happen.
But I understand them getting bangs and bringing him in and what he adds.

Speaker 4 Like you said, we were the last rated team in three-point shooting. He obviously is an outstanding three-point shooter.
But also, he plays, you know, he defends. He plays the other side of the ball.

Speaker 4 He's hard-nosed. What's that?

Speaker 1 What's he do?

Speaker 4 I say he's hard-nosed. He plays the other side of the ball.

Speaker 1 He defends.

Speaker 4 He's a two-way player that can shoot the ball really well.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 yeah,

Speaker 4 that's where I stopped at.

Speaker 1 Now he's bopping wood.

Speaker 1 You need to bop wood. You want to win.
You know that.

Speaker 1 So, Orlando Magic fans view this as like we're going all in here because anytime you're trading away four first rounders, I mean, that's a big investment.

Speaker 1 Now, we'll have Sean Sharanya in the next hour explain to us how the NBA trades work because Luca AD seemingly like a swap. And then Bain,

Speaker 1 great shooter. Oh, yeah.
Four first rounders. And like, I don't think I fully comprehend how it all works.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 4 I didn't either. I was like,

Speaker 4 what in the heck is going on right now? Like, I was calling my agent. My agent kind of explained it to me a little better.
Jeff Wexler, he was like, no, it's kind of more housekeeping.

Speaker 4 You'll see as things play out. I think they just trying to keep themselves out.
Because, you know, that first and second apron, this is all new to me. That didn't exist when I was in the league.

Speaker 4 But like, that's the real deal.

Speaker 4 And that's why you're about to see a lot of the teams have to, like, the Celtics have to shop guys and do all that because of the first and second apron is like crazy expensive and teams trying to trying their best to stay away from that.

Speaker 1 I'm fascinated by how the NBA operates. Eighth guy off the bench to get a $70 million deal.

Speaker 1 Somebody that I've...

Speaker 1 I've definitely heard of Mr. Bain, this guy, when he gets the ball in his hands.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 The bucket starts getting worried. Oh, no, we're about to get penetrated, right? You know what they say?

Speaker 1 Sure,

Speaker 1 sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because Bain's got the ball in his hands, but like four first rounders is just insane to see because I think the way the NFL views first rounders versus maybe how the NBA views first rounders is just a little bit different on it.

Speaker 1 We'll talk to Seams in the next hour. Speaking of the NFL and the NBA, there's always a debate.

Speaker 1 There's always a debate.

Speaker 1 How many NBA guys could play in the NFL? I think there's a few dogs out there, obviously, that could,

Speaker 1 how many NFL guys could play in the NBA? Well, the conversation is always, they're not tall enough, not athletic enough. Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Q, I do. Keon Coleman this weekend, wide receiver for the Buffalo Bills, was playing at DeMar Hamlin's charity game against some super, really, really good competition.
He dropped 60.

Speaker 3 He's an absolute bucket. He played at Michigan Six.

Speaker 1 No holding. No holding.

Speaker 1 Oh, my. So you're talking, he's got that.
He's the escalade. Rest in peace.
Meets Professor meets hot sauce out there on the court. That is who Keon Coleman is.
Q. Rich, hi!

Speaker 1 And he's rocking rims. He's rattling rims.
Bang.

Speaker 1 Give me that. Step back.
This guy's. Oh,

Speaker 1 oh, triple D, dog.

Speaker 1 And then he goes high gloves out. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 Keon Coleman, absolute monster. You got a tone.
I think you were going to ridicule. Oh, off the backboard.
He's throwing it to himself.

Speaker 3 Who was I going to ridicule? Nobody. I was saying they're playing really good defense, and Keon Coleman's awesome.
He played at Michigan State, I believe, for basketball.

Speaker 3 How many guys, how many NFL guys do you think could make it in the NBA?

Speaker 4 I think it's definitely probably a few. He looked like he could have a chance, but I mean, like you said,

Speaker 4 the height thing is a real thing. You know,

Speaker 4 these guys, like, Pat marvels at how tall and how, you know, how many basketball players are way taller than me. And he says, I'm tall.
So, I mean, that's the biggest challenge for me.

Speaker 4 I mean, you got, Keon Coleman is, what, like, 6'4 ⁇ , 6'3 ⁇ ? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And that's what I'm saying. He'd be going up against like bang.
That's like, he's a guard. He's like, he'd be small small in the NBA.
He'd be really small.

Speaker 1 Okay. And he looked like he's an unbelievable athlete.

Speaker 4 And then he can't shoot and handle the ball. So, I mean, I give him a, I think he'd have a great chance.
He looked like he's a hell of an athlete.

Speaker 4 And like I say, he definitely looks like a legit baller. Like when he's handling the ball, he moves like a basketball player.
He shoots like it.

Speaker 4 He doesn't look like a football player trying to play basketball. He actually looks like a basketball player.

Speaker 1 That's a massive compliment. I know Keon takes it that way.
And I am just shit talking the NBA players because that is how the conversation has gone.

Speaker 1 I barely played in the NFL and will never play in the NBA. So I have nowhere to be speaking.

Speaker 1 But I think Keon, either he or his people have reached out to, he wants to come break some, he wants to come shoot in the Thunderbolt. Oh, yeah.
Hell yeah. Yeah.
I immediately took that.

Speaker 1 Oh, Keon Coleman's going to come break some record in here. And then we looked up his Michigan State stuff.
And then we see this.

Speaker 1 It's like, in a celebrity game, hanging 60, you're getting the ball a lot. And you're not.

Speaker 1 60 points is a lot. That's not.
Those dunks, too.

Speaker 2 That's not just like, oh, you know, this guy can dunk.

Speaker 1 It's like, he can,

Speaker 1 yeah, he can really.

Speaker 1 All right. Yeah, no, he was throwing that thing, like, for real.

Speaker 1 I guess he had a quadruple double at one point in high school.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, messed around, got a quadruple double, decided to be a professional wide receiver in the NFL instead. Not all men are created equal.
Keon Coleman, obviously, special talent. RQ, Rich.

Speaker 1 Tonight, how do you see it going?

Speaker 4 I got OKC winning this game. I think the crowd's going to be crazy.
Sorry to you boys for delivering that news.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 4 I think OKC, did you see what happened when they landed at 3.30 in the morning? Did you see how many fans were outside the airport waiting on them?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know farmers got to be up early. Dude, cockadoodle-doo comes at a very early time.
That was AI.

Speaker 4 Whatever the reason was, be that as it may, when they landed, it was thousands of thousands of fans at 3.30 in the morning. You think this arena is not going to be bonkers tonight?

Speaker 4 It is going to be, it's going to be deafening in there.

Speaker 1 I did not see that, and I'm pretty glad I didn't.

Speaker 1 How many did you say were there at 3:30 a.m. whenever they landed?

Speaker 4 They allegedly, they said thousands upon thousands of fans were out there waiting on the like this is outside the airports to way out somewhere where they land privately. They are there.

Speaker 4 They all had to go slap sides with them. They had signs and everything.
It was, it was like that.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, well, you can't get to where the Pacers landing and heat. Yeah.
It was way out there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Oklahoma City fans,

Speaker 1 let's keep it down.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's keep it down. Respect be quiet.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Respect.
You're watching greatness. The MVP's playing out there.
Yeah. Let's

Speaker 1 be quiet out there. There it is.

Speaker 4 There it is. Oh.

Speaker 1 There it is right there.

Speaker 4 Do you see that?

Speaker 1 It's like 25 people. 3.30 a.m.

Speaker 4 Don't do that. Don't do that.
That's not too

Speaker 1 houses.

Speaker 2 Classic camera.

Speaker 4 Catheads out there and the thing, everything.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm just about to say that.
Are they still up or wake up? You think? 3.30. Still up, right? Still up.

Speaker 4 I would have stayed up. I'm just rolling off the energy at this point.

Speaker 1 All right. Respect.
Can't wait to watch them tonight. Might be tired.
That's an early wake-up. That wasn't thousands.

Speaker 1 That was not thousands upon thousands of people. You don't know.

Speaker 4 Challenge that BP. BC challenge that?

Speaker 1 From that camera angle, I would absolutely challenge it. Hey, Connor Fact.

Speaker 1 Need that.

Speaker 1 Everybody in the arena every single time. Just, this is the new.
It's pretty awesome. Yeah.
It's pretty awesome. All right, Q Rich.
We appreciate the hell out of you.

Speaker 1 You're the man, lazy gentleman, 13-year NBA veteran, friend of the program, co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, Quentin Richardson. Yay, Q, Rich.

Speaker 1 I don't go horse and race, but every game on pick, okay.

Speaker 1 Not shit like that, does. I just want good basketball.
Yeah, it's real. We got one.
That's all I want. It's been an unbelievable series.
I think someone, they said it earlier this morning.

Speaker 1 Three out of four games have been decided by, you know, 10 or less points. That was the first time since 2015.

Speaker 1 obviously you were in there so it's a little different true you know than like when i'm watching home where i you know maybe scroll my phone for a couple minutes i'm gonna go to the bathroom actually

Speaker 1 go to the bathroom well i'm in the kitchen now might as well grab it ice cold get rigged well sure take this thing back i go back what happened oh they went on a little bit of a run All right, sweet.

Speaker 1 I would change the channel. I'll check back.

Speaker 1 No, no, I wouldn't change any finals. But I would sit back down and I'd watch, you know, and then you finish.

Speaker 1 And then that

Speaker 1 happens again. You're not really as invested.
No doubt. Being there in that arena.
Shout out to SeatGeek, by the way. Shout out to SeatGeek.
Being there in the arena, it's like these games have been

Speaker 1 magnetic. I mean, like, unbelievable.
It literally has been electrifying. And it has been some of the most fun that I've ever had watching sports, legitimately.

Speaker 1 I'd go back to high school, I guess, when we were watching Paul Mustangs high school basketball team. Those were were good times.
We had a good time.

Speaker 1 We had a good group that was watching those games.

Speaker 1 Back in those days, you could really... Say some things.
Yeah, and then there would potentially be altercations and things like that. But those are like really invested times being a fan.

Speaker 1 For the Colts, obviously sitting as close as we do, it's sweet. You know, it is actually, but it is like an awesome thing.
But I'm not as invested because the way the game is played.

Speaker 1 You know, like it's far down the side and we got red zone going on because we got to pay attention to everything else going on. Then we get in there, we get crazy.

Speaker 1 But for four quarters, these NBA Finals games, and I will even say the Eastern Conference Finals as well with the Knicks. It's just like you feel like you are a part of it.

Speaker 1 And this Oklahoma City team, like their fans, from what they say, tonight should be outrageous, I'm assuming, out there. Yeah, it is magnetic.

Speaker 1 We were standing for the entire game, like cheering when they were on defense and everything like that.

Speaker 1 It is one of those situations where you do feel the importance of every possession, every game, and how big of a moment the NBA Finals is.

Speaker 1 Thousands of of people. Okay, see.

Speaker 1 Turn,

Speaker 1 turn,

Speaker 1 turn.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of people. Yeah, there's a lot of people that

Speaker 1 can't get

Speaker 1 a kid hit his head. Yeah, well, the kid's up 3:30.

Speaker 1 That baby sleep schedule is going to be screwed. It's worth it, though, they say for a thunder.

Speaker 1 Thunder.

Speaker 1 Ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 Thunder.

Speaker 1 Lightning and the thunder, thunder, thunder.

Speaker 1 Thunder.

Speaker 1 Lightning and the thunder, thunder, thunder. You think they were just playing those on repeat? Yeah, probably.

Speaker 1 Without a doubt.

Speaker 1 God, it is going to be electric over there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Need this one here. This is the one where Tyrese needs to do the I Got Heavy Pockets walk.
Yeah, he does. You know, this is one of those ones.
Big pockets.

Speaker 1 All right, speaking of big pockets, let's talk about baseball.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now with the massive news that is happening this evening, it would only be right to have the face of a sport for an entire generation.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, senior analyst, insider, and pundit for the MLB at ESPN, friend of the program, call him up, Jet Pass Hand. Yay!

Speaker 1 Yay!

Speaker 1 What up, Jet?

Speaker 5 Gentlemen, how are you?

Speaker 1 Before we talk baseball, Oklahoma City Thunder Pacers are playing tonight. Who's your pick and why?

Speaker 5 Oh, this is not the audience to say it.

Speaker 5 I picked the Thunder before the season started to win the NBA championship.

Speaker 5 Thanks.

Speaker 1 Thanks. Yeah.
Before the season. My bad.
Before this. You're an NBA.
Holy hell,

Speaker 1 are you a super better here? You said before the season you liked the Oklahoma City Thunder?

Speaker 6 No, no.

Speaker 5 When Woge stepped away, they brought on Shefty, myself, and Pete Fammel. And

Speaker 5 they asked the three of us who we think is going to win the championship. championship.
And I've gotten to know Sam Presti a little bit as well. He's a really interesting and curious guy.

Speaker 5 And he wanted to know what inside of baseball could be applicable to basketball, for example.

Speaker 5 Anyone who's looking for his or her blind spots in their job and trying to get better, I have a ton of respect for. So Sam Presti, big baseball fan.

Speaker 5 But listen, I love,

Speaker 5 I've so enjoyed these NBA Finals, not just because it's two small market teams that are thriving and that are playing like legitimate team basketball.

Speaker 5 Just the defense that's being played there and the shot making and the creation, like it's beautiful basketball.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, and the push goes. Yeah, I get it.
No, I'm joking. Shay's been wonderful to watch.
I agree with your sentiment, and I appreciate that you were being asked to be a basketball insider.

Speaker 1 Maybe, hey, why don't you guys start sending text messages in the basketball world? You can do do the football. You can do the baseball.

Speaker 1 Just start texting them. Figure it out.
Passengers got handles.

Speaker 1 Don't make him kind of avoid talking about it. He tried out for AM1.
He was almost the professor.

Speaker 5 Connor knows. I crossed his ass one time, broke the ankles.
Like, it was not pretty.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. I like that, Jack.
Jack, we know with the way you are built, you're going to have to have great handles and going to have to be able to shake people for shot-making possibilities.

Speaker 1 We assume you'd be able to pull that off. All right, let's talk baseball.
Speaking of pulling off, Shohei Watani will be pitching tonight. Here we go.
Jake, this is what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 This is what the excitement was about from us baseball outsiders, but we'll watch if something awesome is happening.

Speaker 1 Ty Schmidt, obviously a die-hard baseball guy, but if I see some player doing something that hasn't been done since Babe Ruth, I'm going to be immediately interested, which I was when he was with the Angels.

Speaker 1 Gets the big money deal with the Dodgers, has Tommy John Yarjery. Then he is no longer pitching, but now he's become one of the greatest at-bat guys in the league.
Now he's pitching again.

Speaker 1 Everybody was kind of doubting that this would ever take place. How did we get here? And what are the realistic expectations for Shohei Otani tonight?

Speaker 5 Pat, it's really simple. Shohei Otani went to the Dodgers and said, I'm ready.
I want to pitch.

Speaker 5 And normally when a player is coming off of major reconstructive elbow surgery, he goes down to the minor leagues and he'll have, you know, five, six rehab outings where he can build up his pitch count, you know, start at 30, move to 45, 60, 75.

Speaker 5 By the end, you're at 90 and you're ready to go in a full big league start. Tonight, you're not going to see Shohei Otani for very long.
He hasn't been built up now.

Speaker 5 And that's a progression that he's going to have to make while simultaneously being one of the best hitters in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 5 This is something that has never been done before outside of Otani doing it himself. Nobody's ever come back from elbow surgery and tried to play both ways at the same time.
So,

Speaker 5 you know, my expectations there that we're going to see great stuff and we're probably going to see a little bit of control issues just because generally speaking, when guys come back from surgery, they're rusty.

Speaker 5 And it wouldn't shock me at all if there are a couple of walks mixed in here, but the strikeout stuff is going to be there. And I'm just excited, man.

Speaker 5 I'm just excited as a baseball fan and as someone who loves the game to know that a guy who is unlike anyone else in the history of the sport in terms of how good he is at both hitting and pitching at the same time, that we're going to get to see what could be the best version of Shohei Otani yet, because he is clearly a significantly better hitter now than he was when he was pitching last.

Speaker 5 If we're going to get that of him in the batter's box and see the old version of himself on the pitcher's mound,

Speaker 5 there is no more dominant athlete in all of professional sports if you get both of those versions of Otani.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you become the quarterback and the mic linebacker, pretty much. That's right.
Playing all season.

Speaker 1 I don't know how he would be able to accomplish it with how much wear and tear it would be on his body. That's kind of the conversation around baseball people, right?

Speaker 1 Like, why would we want to beat down one, especially with how great he's become with hitting? And I think Shohei Otani does, because I could do both.

Speaker 1 I know there hasn't been many in the past, but I am the one. Is he legitimately the only one, like for the foreseeable future?

Speaker 1 Or is this going to become something that becomes more normal if Shohe is able to have success with it?

Speaker 5 You know, when Otani came into the league and committed to hitting and pitching, I thought it was going to start a revolution of two-way players in baseball.

Speaker 5 We had seen it sparingly, you know, a guy like Brooks Kieschnick, who was a relief pitcher and an outfielder, or somebody like Michael Lorenzen, who played some outfield and was both a starter and a relief pitcher.

Speaker 5 But I think what we've learned is it's so hard that teams just are not willing to take the time that it takes to actually execute this. Jack Caglion is a perfect example.

Speaker 5 He was a pitcher in college as well as a slugger. And when he got into the Royals organization, could they have put him out there as a pitcher? Sure.

Speaker 5 But they didn't want that to impede his development as a hitter. And so the ability for Otani to do both, I still don't get it.

Speaker 5 Like, I really don't understand how he does it, how his body weathers it, how mentally he's able to separate the two and to bifurcate his training the way that he does. But

Speaker 1 look, the

Speaker 1 wow, the

Speaker 5 yeah, that's a good one, right? The uh,

Speaker 1 bifur, bifurcate. I've never even heard of that one.

Speaker 5 Bifurcate, yeah, bifurcate is to cut something into two,

Speaker 1 like the second.

Speaker 5 You were close.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 Damn. Bifurcate.
Damn. But you're right.
How he's able to bifurcate his time, his physical workouts, and everything else to

Speaker 1 be a master at something that the only 0.01% make it to the majors in both of those things is insane. If anybody could do it, Shohay could do it.
All right.

Speaker 1 We'll be excited to watch that tonight against the San Diego Padres. How many innings?

Speaker 5 One or two, probably.

Speaker 1 So he's doing this because he doesn't really have a chance to go down in minors, I think you told us either last time or off air.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's exactly right. He's not going to have a chance to go and build up the normal way.
So they're going to do it within games.

Speaker 5 And it'll be very interesting to see how he handles that increased workload and what that does to him on the hitting side.

Speaker 5 Because I just like, I want to put a bow on this point because I think it's an important one to make.

Speaker 5 Every baseball player not named Shohei Otani devotes 100% of his effort toward a singular craft. If you are a hitter, then you work on hitting.
If you are a pitcher, then you work on pitching.

Speaker 5 Your attention is trained completely on that one discipline. Otani has to do both.

Speaker 5 So there's no way to properly divide that attention and to know for sure that you're doing it the right way to maximize your abilities, and yet the guy has figured out how to do it and how to be one of the best in the game at both.

Speaker 1 You say it might be a little bit wild and not like wild thing. You said maybe his control won't be there.
We're going to see a lot of gas tonight, probably. A lot of gas?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think there's going to be a lot of fastballs tonight.

Speaker 5 Let's not forget.

Speaker 5 Dude throws a slider that can start on the inside corner and end up in the opposite batter's box. He throws a splitter that just falls off the table.
He throws a curveball.

Speaker 5 He throws a sweater. Sinker.
He's got

Speaker 5 seven pitches.

Speaker 1 He's got the sweeper in there. The splitter.
Nice. He's going to split.
there.

Speaker 1 Not a bad one for Shohei. Come in and throw the knuckleball, too.

Speaker 5 Not a knuckleball guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. You don't like weight real though.
Disrespectful to Tim.

Speaker 1 Hey, rest in peace. Anyways,

Speaker 1 let's move on. Other story.
Definitely rest in peace.

Speaker 1 That game show where they were trying to teach somebody how to throw, a reality show how to throw a knuckle and see if they can become professional. I thought, man, I should sign up for it.

Speaker 1 That'd be sick. I think I have a strong enough arm.
I can't really throw a baseball. This would be the only way I learned how to play baseball.
Maybe I'll become a pro.

Speaker 1 Only at one season, nonetheless, the guy didn't make it. Turns out it's hard to to make it.
He's a pitcher in the MLB. Shohei might be able to do both.
There's other stuff happening in baseball.

Speaker 1 Ty Schmidt has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Jet, to the best of your ability, can you break down how the Raphael Devers trade going from the Red Sox to the Giants actually happened?

Speaker 2 I think people who watch baseball understand like a trade was possible with all the shit that's been going on between the two sides. But the timing makes absolutely no sense.

Speaker 2 The Red Sox just sweep the Yankees. They've won five in a row.
Like after a bad start to the season, they're starting to kind of turn things around.

Speaker 2 And they trade who Clayton Kershaw said, this guy is one of the 10 to 15 best hitters in the majors. How did this happen? And what would be like a comp to this trade?

Speaker 5 Okay, so let's start with how it happened. This dates back to the end of

Speaker 5 the offseason when Alex Bregman is still a free agent. And Rafael Devers all winter long, you know, the Red Sox had been in the mix with Nolan Arenado discussions and with signing Alex Bregman.

Speaker 5 And Raphael Devers was ensured, you know, you're cool. Like all of this is overblown.
Turns out it wasn't.

Speaker 5 And so Bregman signs for three years and $120 million with the Red Sox and goes to spring training.

Speaker 5 And all of a sudden, the Red Sox are like, actually, you know, Bregman is a gold glove caliber third baseman and you're not. So what do you think of de-aging?

Speaker 5 And Raphael Devers is like, no, I don't want to de-age. And I understand that.

Speaker 5 Based on the communication in the offseason and acknowledging just how much of somebody's their identity, their personality is based on the position that they played their entire lives, you know, it took him a little while to come to it.

Speaker 5 But finally, he was like, all right, I'll DH. And he was told, you're not going to need a glove.
Well, Tristan Casas, Red Sox first baseman, suffers a season-ending injury.

Speaker 5 And Craig Breslow, the chief baseball officer for the Red Sox, says to Devers, hey, we'd like you to move to first base. Devers is pissed at that point.
Like,

Speaker 5 what do you guys want from me? And yet the Red Sox' perspective is, what we want from you is for you to honor your 10-year, $313.5 million contract where you're going to play for us.

Speaker 5 It's not saying that you're going to play third base or DH. It says that you're going to play for us.
So there's a lot of tension there. And yet around baseball, guys,

Speaker 5 A lot of people thought that Devers' contract was untradeable. It's $254.5 million through 2033.

Speaker 5 If the guy's going to be a first base or DH, those aren't the sorts of dollars you tend to see, even for a hitter as talented as Devers.

Speaker 5 And yet, earlier this week, there were conversations going on between the Giants and the Red Sox about potential other deals. Devers' name came up and something came together very quickly.

Speaker 5 The timing of it was just horrendous for Red Sox fans. Just abominable.
They're feeling good about themselves. Finally, Pat.

Speaker 1 They sweep the. We're back.
We're back. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 Roman Anthony is up. Christian Campbell's up.
Marcelo Meyer's up. The future is here.
It's now. Everything's going to be built around the kids and Devers.

Speaker 1 Not anymore.

Speaker 1 Devers in San Francisco. Big move.
This comes after the Marshi trade to the Florida Panthers from the Boston Bruins as well. We have five seconds.

Speaker 5 That move by him, by the way, is his second goal.

Speaker 1 Ridiculous. Five seconds.
Are these seams different this year than last year?

Speaker 1 Yes. All right.
Thank you. That's Jeff Passon.
We'll see you next hour. Cheers.

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Speaker 1 Scores are happening all around us in the NHL. We have a 3-2 lead by the reigning Lord Stanley Cup champion, Florida Panthers.

Speaker 1 We'll have Jackie Redmond, TNT ringside reporter, and also Monday Night Raw commentator join us in about nine minutes or so to get her thoughts on the series and the game tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 Tonight, the NBA Finals continues as we have a 2-2 series between the number one overall seed, Oklahoma City Thunder representing the West and the Indiana Pacers representing the East.

Speaker 1 Pacers had to lead late in the fourth. They gave it away in game three.
Now the series tied 2-2. Who wins tonight? Will that decide who's going to win? The whole damn thing, potentially.

Speaker 1 Tyrese, Pascal, tricky Ricky Carlisle, and the boys travel to Oklahoma City in their loud house tonight at 8.30 on ABC. U.S.
Open has a new champion and JJ Spawn. Sports are great.

Speaker 1 Baseball is happening tonight. Shohei Otani is pitching again and hitting again.
How you doing? Keep it moving. Babe Ruth is back for baseball.

Speaker 1 Now I don't know if he has the same activities off the field as Babe Ruth had, but Shohei Otani is a great face of baseball and tonight he picks up a job that he did a few years back before, having to have Tommy yawn surgery.

Speaker 1 We hope he obviously slices and dices the San Diego Padres.

Speaker 1 No offense to the Slam Diego faithful, but we would like to see Shohei have a good outing and then get a couple more innings the next time, and then a couple more innings the next time.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, we got a full game from Shohei Otani, who's also hitting two dingers.

Speaker 1 Baseball is great whenever that's taking place. That was just a few years back with the Los Angeles Angels.
Now he's on the Los Angeles Dodgers. New color, different side of the city.

Speaker 1 Same old Shohei tonight for baseball. We just talked to Jeff Pass, and on the way out, he told us these seams are different.

Speaker 1 Kutch, Andrew McCutcheon, obviously the Pittsburgh Pirate legend, saying, I asked the baseball league about this. They said, yeah, the ball stink.
Deal with it. We'll get to it next year.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Basically, stars.

Speaker 1 And Judge was able to hit it a long way. Exactly.
Shelhay's been able to hit some big-time bombs.

Speaker 1 But I guess because every single baseball is hand-stitched, there's a chance these teams are a little bit bigger, causing a little bit more drag.

Speaker 1 So maybe what would have been a home run is actually a deep fly ball out. Because there was a couple over the weekend where I thought guy was taking a yard.

Speaker 1 Place erupted as if it was a yard. Right field looking out from base,

Speaker 1 home plate. Right field this way.
So you're always looking out from home.

Speaker 1 Left field, center, right field. Correct.
Right field or just casually just snags that thing. How you doing? Keep it moving.
That's a home run. Plays is losing it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nope. Yeah, no.
Hornettuck power. Yeah.
That's $750 million guaranteed. That's also new balls, allegedly.
So baseball is happening. Hockey's happening.
Basketball is happening.

Speaker 1 The NFL is always happening. Let's talk about that first.
The talks tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Con man loves what the Patriots have done this whole.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Every single part of it.
And especially when you hear players saying, yeah, it's nice to have a coach that you can go into the back alley with and he'll be ready to throw down with you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty good being a Patriots fan. Oh, you bet $10 you get $100 in bangs, bets.

Speaker 1 Really? Shout out to USB and bet. One half of the hammer.
Don. Cowboys AP Tone is here.
Tone, Pittsburgh Steelers, everything's hunky-dory over there in Pittsburgh with Aaron Rodgers as quarterback.

Speaker 1 I'm here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, everything's super hunky-dory.

Speaker 3 Aaron's showing up, doing everything. He's sitting down playing cards with all the boys.
Mark Caboli told that story in incredible fashion earlier today.

Speaker 1 I mean, with Rodgers, too, you hear so many horror stories, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, I spend most of my time in the locker room just being a creep.

Speaker 1 When I say that, I'm not talking about, you know.

Speaker 7 No, you're sitting there hiding in the corner watching what everybody's doing.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just like looking around, just trying to scan the...

Speaker 1 you know, trying to get the feel for everything. You see Aaron Rodgers comes over.
They're playing huge games of cards right there.

Speaker 1 and he comes pulls up a chair right next to Cam Hayward Miles Killegrew I don't know if he played or not but he's jumping in there he's you know he's trying not to offend the Will Howard you know by saying hey why don't you try this and Will's like you go

Speaker 1 over set my bounds it's like whoa this is Aaron Rodgers what are you talking about so everything seems to be working now

Speaker 1 Listen, the Dan Haig team's got it figured out for you. And first and goal collectibles.

Speaker 1 And that first company is obviously on board over there in Pittsburgh and Chris Mack was trying to correct Kaboli. You know, you're not like a cuck creeping porn.
You're looking around.

Speaker 1 He said, I'm trying to get a feel for how things are, which is good journalism, which is why we appreciate Mark Kaboli.

Speaker 1 But what he's saying is, from what I'm seeing, this guy's trying to get acclimated with the team, assimilate with the team, and trying to be the best teammate he could possibly be.

Speaker 1 That's not what we were told.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is former teammate of Aaron Rodgers, obviously a man who's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 Ladies and and gentlemen, father of 10. Happy Father's Day to this guy.
Happy Father's Day to this guy. Happy Father's Day.
Happy Father's Day. Happy Friday.
Happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day.

Speaker 1 Happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day.
Happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day.

Speaker 1 A.J. Hawk.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Tan of them. Tan of them.
Tan of them.

Speaker 10 It's pretty good. That's good.
I mean, for Phil Rivers, that's actually pretty accurate, I feel like, isn't it, right now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we don't know where Phil is currently at. Obviously, that number is always growing as the Rivers family continues to evolve.
Happy Father's Day to Philip Rivers and Antonio Crimarti, A.J.

Speaker 1 Hawk, and all the other noted fathers of professional sports. Let's chit-chat a little bit about Aaron Rodgers being a good teammate.
Mark Kaboli said, well,

Speaker 1 I was kind of mom blown by. That's basically what he said.
Have you got a chance to chit-chat with Aaron since his time with the Pittsburgh Steelers? And how do you think this ends up working out?

Speaker 1 Seems very positive from the Pittsburgh Jenser standpoint.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it does seem very positive. I have not spoken to him since he's been at minicamp and everything with the Steelers, but going back to Kaboli, I would wonder,

Speaker 10 my first question, when I see Aaron in person, I'm going to ask him if he has had any interaction with Kaboli and if he feels like Kaboli has been a creep over in the corner, because Kaboli never really clarified what he said about being a creep, and he never said, I'm not a creep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Chris Mack was trying to help him out there. You're not, you know.

Speaker 10 You're not meat-gazing in there, are you?

Speaker 1 Kaboli is coming on me. No, no.
You're observing.

Speaker 1 Kaboli's in the middle of doing some journalism there. Dan Hag team will take care of you.

Speaker 1 Like that is.

Speaker 1 I think what Kaboli was saying, usually I'm just observing would have been a better word than maybe being a creep or whatever. But he said he sits down with Cam Hayward, plays cards.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he was at Cam Hayward's golf out, and Cam Hayward is the stalwart of that team, the old OG in that locker room. You saw that in Mike Hard Knocks when they were both mic'd up.

Speaker 1 And Tomlin literally goes up to Cam Hayward and says, hey, get your D-line in order over there before. halftime.
And they go back there. Cam Hayward also said, you're a stealer.
You're not, bro. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm about tired of this whole waiting around thing. That obviously got taken in a thousand different ways.
Now we're watching Aaron and the Pittsburgh Steelers become one.

Speaker 1 And AP Tone, I know you've been bopping wood over there playing defense against yourself. I'm getting too excited, but where are you at right now?

Speaker 3 It's cool because not often do you find the quarterback of today.

Speaker 3 And then that quarterback of today, which is a, you know, a four-time MVP, Super Bowl champion, he owes the Steelers a Super Bowl championship, so he's going to get seven for the team.

Speaker 3 But he's also leading the future for, you know, your national champion,

Speaker 3 first, or sorry, not first round, sixth round rookie quarterback and Will Howard.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, sixth rounder.

Speaker 3 Yeah, which I think, you know, the NFL, they make a lot of mistakes. This could be another one of those.
This could be a big Tom Brady situation. Probably.

Speaker 3 But no, everything's going great,

Speaker 3 especially like mentioning Will Howard. Like everyone said he's been really, really awesome so far.
We all know he's a good kid. We've watched him be a great leader.

Speaker 3 So things are very, very hunky-dory right now.

Speaker 1 Happy to to hear that. Did you hear about Cincinnati? Things are hunky-dory over there as well.

Speaker 1 Allegedly, Trey Hendrickson and the Cincinnati Bengals have continued negotiations was a report this weekend from Jeremy Fowler.

Speaker 1 Sources, Bengals and all-pro DN Trey Hendrickson have resumed contract talks. Doesn't say they're going well.
They're just saying that they are currently speaking.

Speaker 1 I think if you're a Cincinnati Bengals fan, you got to be pumped up about this. And then at what point do you handle the Shamar Stewart situation, which is also still lingering?

Speaker 1 Do we assume they get it all sorted before training training camp AJ?

Speaker 10 I mean, it was surprising for me to hear that they actually are communicating between Trey Henderson and his representatives because I think I said on here last week, I don't know how they find a way to get this deal done with all that has happened and everything and what Trey actually deserves to be paid.

Speaker 10 I don't know if they can find a way to get him that number or if they're willing to get him that number. But anytime you're talking is good.

Speaker 10 Whether they're close or not, it's still good that they're actually communicating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's how you break down barriers. You know, you got to speak to each other.

Speaker 1 Even if the barriers were very public and insulting, like sometimes these players need to just take what they're offered.

Speaker 1 Well, what if he's the sack king? Don't care. Lucky to have a job.
You should be happy.

Speaker 1 And then on the other side, listen, he'd pay me or trade me. You know, and this entire thing.
There's fighting words from both sides. Okay.

Speaker 1 But if you talk to each other, maybe you're able to put those fighting words down and pick up your, hey, let's be a team time.

Speaker 1 What if they're able to work it out? Well, what if they're talking and they're not able to work it out and they decide they need to trade them?

Speaker 1 Then do they think, wow, we could have done this a long time ago and maybe got some draft capital for this entire operation. I don't know.
We shall see. Good luck to the Bengals and their fans.

Speaker 1 Good luck. Good luck to the Bengals and their fans.
We're pooling for you over there. Obviously, the market is big.
TJ Watts still.

Speaker 1 an outstanding item for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the market right now is at 40 million. Miles Garrett got paid this particular offseason, as did Danil Hunter.
Max Crosby got his money. Nick Bosa last year got his money.

Speaker 1 That's kind of where everybody stands right now. Trey Hendrickson down there as the sack king.

Speaker 1 he's the one right right next to AJ Hawk's big face that's Trey Hendrickson the one right next to my dumbass is the highest paid guy and you see where Trey Hendrickson is trying to get to probably somewhere in the middle here yeah probably somewhere in the middle TJ Watt he's trying to become a neighbor of mine

Speaker 1 if I had to guess yeah no doubt if I had to guess so I think these are pretty easy deals to figure out we shall see if the teams will accomplish it speaking of easy getting in shape is not that no getting in shape is very difficult especially if as you get older, as you get older.

Speaker 1 When we were back at the Combine, I did a little bit of journalism when I said this.

Speaker 1 I decided to reach out to source

Speaker 1 who know and say, like, hey, what's the, are we...

Speaker 1 Steal.

Speaker 1 Are we?

Speaker 1 Are we playing next year? To my source.

Speaker 1 Sizz. And the message was, my dog.

Speaker 1 Exclamation point, exclamation point,

Speaker 1 exclamation point. Three.

Speaker 1 Source

Speaker 1 says, I'm coming back for sure. Gonna try and get to the best shape I've been this offseason and get back to the mountaintop.

Speaker 1 Got a real bad taste in my mouth with how I played in that last game and how I got the guys ready for battle. I can't go out like that.
Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.

Speaker 1 And guess what?

Speaker 1 One more exclamation point. Wow.

Speaker 1 Four exclamation points. He said, I can't go out like that.
I'm going to get in the best shape that I've been in.

Speaker 1 And Jeremy Fowler is now reporting that the Chiefs will see a slimmer Travis Kelsey at minicamp next week. And we all know he's also taller.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because we saw him walking with Taylor at the Florida Panthers Edmonton Oilers game.

Speaker 1 AJ, what are your thoughts on Travis Kelsey having an offseason down there in Florida with Taylor Swift and coming back better than ever? I think they continue to inspire each other.

Speaker 1 I think they continue to motivate each other. I think they continue to be great for each other.

Speaker 1 And if Travis Kelsey is all the way back, I think you immediately understand that the Chiefs are going to be exactly where the Chiefs have been. And that's entitled Conversations, AJ.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it is. I mean, I feel like Travis Kelce, obviously, old school guy, I think he's, this is the only good thing that comes from losing it.
It can absolutely like reignite a fire.

Speaker 10 It could do something to

Speaker 10 spark something that you want to get back to where you were. And when you've won multiple Super Bowls, what do you want to do? You want to continue to win multiple.

Speaker 10 You want to win every single year. I think they're getting hungrier and hungrier.
But yeah, as you get older, you definitely have to figure out what works best for your body.

Speaker 10 I'm sure Travis is doing that, but I expect nothing but greatness from him this year.

Speaker 1 How about how tall? Maybe he's not thinner. He's just, he had a growth spur.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he didn't grow two inches at age 34.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that happened. I don't know.
You tell me, did you see him walking down that hallway? Did you see him? Oh, I believe it.

Speaker 10 I'm all for you. I definitely think he has grown.
I just, I think it's wild.

Speaker 3 You never doubt those billionaires, though.

Speaker 1 True. He might have hit a growth spur.

Speaker 1 Andre the Giant kept growing.

Speaker 10 I've seen politicians grow. Sometimes they've seemed they're taller than they were a couple of days before.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we all saw that, but then we were told the camera was put in a different spot. It's like, well,

Speaker 1 let's put the camera back there and see if it happens again then.

Speaker 1 The whole

Speaker 1 this pause.

Speaker 1 I've got to.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 10 I mean. She's probably six foot in those heels she's wearing.

Speaker 1 Probably six. She's like probably six, too.
She's very tall to begin with. And then she's wearing, keep playing.

Speaker 1 Pause. I mean, those are, those are, those are three, four inches.
I don't know. Joining us now might be somebody that knows.
She was there, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 Ringside reporter for TNT for the last three years, has been covering sports since 2011 when she won a contest to become a next sportscaster up there in the beautiful country of Canada.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, WWE Raw commentator, Jackie Redmond. Yay! Hey!

Speaker 11 You guys did your research bringing me on here. I can't believe you mentioned Gillette drafted.
It feels like it was like 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 Okay, so is that 2011? Is that what you're referring to?

Speaker 11 Yeah, correct. You were spot on.

Speaker 11 Your stats department is on their A game today. You got it.

Speaker 1 My stats department is a Canadian that we have on staff,

Speaker 1 Bubba Gampino. Bubba Gampino says she actually won a contest in 2011 to be the next sportscaster.
It was a little bit of a runaway.

Speaker 11 I prefer the word competition over contest. You know, I had to really compete hard.
I think it was more of a competition

Speaker 11 than a contest.

Speaker 1 Now, to be clear, Gumpy said you annihilated all of the competition in the contest. Ain't that right, Gumpy?

Speaker 12 Yeah, the Raging Redhead said she was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we...

Speaker 11 Cam Stewart. Shout out Cam Stewart.

Speaker 1 And Gabe Morenzi, obviously.

Speaker 11 Yes, love, Gabe. Love Gabe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Shout out Canada as a whole.
Obviously, hockey is fantastic. Now, there's been some things.
Not going to get into it. Now is not the time.
We needed to win that Four Nations.

Speaker 1 USA needed to win that four nations. Worse than anybody, yeah, Jackie.
I know. The double-double.

Speaker 11 Listen, we'll see you at the Olympics, bud. It's on.

Speaker 1 I saw the team you guys have put together. I do not love they put out the USA one, too.
I do not love. Okay, anyways, let's talk about the game.
Uh, Travis and Taylor were at the game.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Edmonton and Florida down there. They are, I believe, currently in Florida as a whole.
Did Travis Kelsey look taller than ever? Um, and how happy and thin and fit did he look?

Speaker 1 Because that is the big news around Kansas City with that particular Hall of Famer.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he looked in shape. I'm not going to lie, I was really paying more attention to what Taylor Swift was wearing.
She looked fantastic. But yeah,

Speaker 11 he looked good. I didn't see him like up close and personal, but I did get.
all of the information from Wayne Gretzky, who spent some time with them watching the game. So he said Travis looks great.

Speaker 11 Looks like he's in great shape and he's ready to go.

Speaker 11 You know, listening to you guys talk about Casey and Travis too, you could have been talking about the Florida Panthers the way you guys were talking about how, you know, he's hungrier than ever.

Speaker 11 That team losing is hungrier than ever. I think you could say the same for the Florida Panthers.
Like they lost two years ago and they decided, all right, we just lost in the Stanley Cup final.

Speaker 11 Now we're just going to go off and be a dynasty. No big deal.
I feel like there's parallels there.

Speaker 1 Okay, I love to hear that. Obviously, a dynasty, I think they would be the eighth team in NHL history to go back to back.
The Pittsburgh Penguins have done it a couple of times.

Speaker 1 No big deal. But let's talk about this Florida Panthers team.
They trick off that 3-0 lead, obviously, and then

Speaker 1 the series gets tied up. Then they show up in Edmonton, and Marshi is just absolutely filthy.
And the boys win 5-2, even though it's like a 4-1 game as a whole.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts going into tomorrow night's game? And does this feel like the Florida Panthers are the far superior team yet again?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think it does. You know, when the series started, the first couple games, as we know, were insane.
One of the craziest Stanley Cup final I've ever covered for sure.

Speaker 11 And at that time, I was like, you know what, these are pretty evenly matched teams. But now as the series has gone on, I think Florida has separated themselves from Edmonton.

Speaker 11 You know, I'm not going to count the Oilers out. They've got McDavid and Dreisidle, two of the best players in the world.

Speaker 11 So I think if they can force a game seven, I mean, we saw them come back from 3-0 in the final last year, three games to none last year. So they can do it.

Speaker 11 But I do think that Florida has established themselves as the more dominant team. I mean, they're better in goal.
They're better on the back end. They're deeper as a whole.
They've won before.

Speaker 11 So they have the confidence that comes with that. And like nobody has more fun than the Florida Panthers.
Like I can say that with confidence. The aura with this team is off the charts.

Speaker 11 Like they allow a game tying goal like with 17 seconds left earlier in the series. And they're joking around and busting each other's balls between periods, like getting ready for overtime.

Speaker 11 Like that is what this team is. Like they are completely unphased.
They don't get rattled. And Brad Marchand just fits seamlessly into that equation.
He's been electric in this final.

Speaker 11 He's my pick right now for Con Smythe. I know Sam Bennett.
Sam Bennett has had an unbelievable postseason,

Speaker 11 but I'd give it to 63. I think seven of his 10 goals have given Florida the lead.
So if you're looking for stats to back up sort of clutchness, I think Marchand checks all the boxes.

Speaker 11 But yeah, I do think Florida's the better team. I think they've led like for 85% of the series.
They've had the lead, something like that. It's a ridiculous number.

Speaker 11 I tweeted it if you want the so the Twitter Warriors don't come after me.

Speaker 1 No, we'll find it. And the Twitter Warriors are always going to be out there, even whenever they're lying.

Speaker 11 Oh, they're relentless. They will not stop with Taylor Swift.
Like, I can't escape it.

Speaker 1 Is it a good thing or a bad thing? The Taylor supporters on there are good. They've been good to us at least.
Yeah, they've been good to us.

Speaker 11 I'm getting 50% incredible Taylor Swift fans. So happy, so excited.
And then I've got, you know, some meatheads that are like, I had to turn off the game because you showed up.

Speaker 1 Oh, they were in football too.

Speaker 1 They'll come around.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're just, that's an easy guy. I hope so.
Yeah. The time leading in the Stanley Cup final via Jockey underscore Redmond.
Panthers, 200,

Speaker 1 200 minutes? Geez. Yeah.
To 33 minutes? Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. It feels like even having

Speaker 11 paints a picture, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 Yes, it certainly certainly does. Okay, so let's talk about the other end down there for the Oilers.
Seemingly, big question is, do we go back to Stu Skinner or do we keep Pickard in the net?

Speaker 1 Anytime that decision is made, obviously it's massive. We in Pittsburgh had an opportunity to watch Murray, Jarry, everybody kind of transition during the playoffs and have great success.

Speaker 1 Pickard comes in, first start, post-failing in for Stu Skin, loses 5-2. Now, granted, it was probably 4-1.
The goals were filthy. Feels like the Florida Panthers are sniping.

Speaker 1 Everything is off the post and in. Does it matter who's the goalie? And what do you think that the Edmonton Oilers do in that?

Speaker 11 I think they go back to Stuart Skinner, and I think he's a gamer. I think he'll be ready.
He's proven that before, but I don't think it matters. I don't think

Speaker 11 it comes down to that. It's never come down to that coming into this final.

Speaker 11 The Edmonton Oilers were never winning the goaltending battle. That was never going to be an edge for them.
You got Sergei Bobrovsky at the other end. That's a Hall of Fame goalie.

Speaker 11 That was never going to be a strength for the Edmonton Oilers. So I don't think it matters who they start.
They start Picker, they start Skinner. It's not going to come down to that.

Speaker 11 It's going to come down to the Oilers figuring out their power play because it's supposed to be a lethal weapon. You're supposed to be afraid of taking penalties against the Oilers.

Speaker 11 And I don't think it's been that. I think for the most part, it's been mid.
And then, you know, Bush League, bro,

Speaker 11 I think the Florida Panthers are just so deep.

Speaker 11 And I just, so far, the Edmonton Oilers haven't been able to able to figure out a way to sort of compete with that i mean it is like shift after shift after shift the panthers are relentless there's no weakness there's no holds like where do you take advantage you know where do you find a spot to sort of get the panthers on their heels and they're missing you know one of their best players in hymen which i think has been a big part of it too like corey perry is great 40 year old corey perry we love corey perry former london that's where i grew up he's awesome um and him having the performance he's having is great.

Speaker 11 But, you know, we need him to be having that performance on the third line, not in the top six. That's the difference, right? Like Brad Marchand is the old guy doing it for the Panthers.

Speaker 11 He's doing it on their third line.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Playing against third liners, too, which is certainly

Speaker 1 a better life for Brad Marchand than what he was doing with the Boston Bruins.

Speaker 1 Whenever you consider,

Speaker 1 you know, just the entire trade, Marchand, to the Florida Panthers, Jackie.

Speaker 1 how did the people, because I know Ringside Reporter, obviously you're talking to everybody, you talk about the aura in the shit talk from the Florida Panthers, and they're doing that more than everybody.

Speaker 1 It feels like you do know the communities and cultures around the NHL very well. A lot of hard work to get there.
She's been covering hockey since when, Gumpy? Since when?

Speaker 12 2011.

Speaker 1 Well, she's Canadian. Oh, forever.

Speaker 1 My whole life. My whole life.
Did everybody think the Marshi trade was outrageous?

Speaker 11 I think people thought it was shocking.

Speaker 11 I think, for the most part it was shocking that the bruins would trade a player like brad marchand to a team within their division like i'm sitting over here as someone who was born and raised as a toronto maple leafs fan i don't

Speaker 11 yi okay and i'm like what

Speaker 11 like we have a chance to get this guy out of our division and you trade him to the panthers

Speaker 11 oh It was devastating. I hated it.
But now, of course, I'm like, all right, Brad, go win your cup with Florida and then come over and play for the Toronto Maple.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. Yeah, we don't need that.
We don't need that, Jackie. Thank you.

Speaker 1 AJ has a question for you, Jackie.

Speaker 1 No, it's not Maple Leafs. No way.
You, Bobby. Ask him.

Speaker 11 Ask him. He grew up a Leafs fan.
He's coming to T.L.

Speaker 1 No, you and Bobby Roode got some pipe dreams back there in Toronto. Go ahead, AJ.
Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 10 Jackie, you mentioned this Panthers team. I mean, if they were to finish this one off, you...

Speaker 10 Could we call this team a dynasty team and one of those teams like we look at maybe like the New England Patriots had done a few different times.

Speaker 10 And also, is there any slowing this team down? Like what makes them not do this again next year and continue to win?

Speaker 1 Connor was so disgusted with you just by the way. Yeah, he's what is that?

Speaker 10 Hey, they're both dynasties. Just

Speaker 11 miss it. Oh, I see.
I see. I was like, wait, who's disgusted with who? Did I say something?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 No, it's a great question.

Speaker 11 And I think absolutely, even if the Panthers lose, for me, I'm not going to say they're a dynasty, but I'm going to say that they're one of the best teams we've seen in the the last 25 years, hands down, without a question.

Speaker 11 If they win, I think they definitely deserve to be called a modern-day dynasty because they do have a lot of the important pieces in place for next season to go and do this all again.

Speaker 11 I mean, they've got Sergei Bobrovsky, who, like I already said, was a Hall of Fame goalie.

Speaker 11 When you have that, and then you've got some of your key pieces up front and on the back end locked up, I mean, I'm not

Speaker 11 counting them out. I think we could see them go on a deep run again next year.
And honestly, like Sam Bennett could be back.

Speaker 11 Like that is a realistic possibility, depending if he is willing to maybe make a little bit less, but stay in Florida, stay with the boys. I think,

Speaker 11 you know, he deserves every penny from whoever's willing to pay him if that's what he wants. But you have to remember that Sam Bennett is a guy that came into a league

Speaker 11 as a good pick, a good prospect, but like had to deal with the fact that he went to the combine and could only do one pull-up and people were making fun of this guy non-stop.

Speaker 11 He's in Calgary, he's buried in the lineup, he's not getting an opportunity.

Speaker 11 And so, I think when you start your career that way, as somebody who, you know, took him some time to really get to find his home, if you will, he's founded in Florida, he's had success, he could potentially be a two-time cup winner after this, maybe a con smythe at home as well.

Speaker 11 I don't know, I don't think that I don't necessarily think the Panthers would have to work that hard to convince Sam Bennett to return to a place where, like, they genuinely love each other, these guys.

Speaker 11 Like, these guys, we hear it all the time, I know, in sports, like Brotherhood, blah, blah, blah. But

Speaker 11 they truly are maybe the tightest knit group that I've ever been around in my career in professional sports in terms of genuinely just being like.

Speaker 11 absolute friends hanging out all the time. I mean, I don't know.
I think they could convince Sam Bennett to stay for if he's willing to give up a little bit of the moolah, you know?

Speaker 1 Hey, and we haven't even talked about the no state income tax down here in Florida.

Speaker 1 Did you just throw out an aboot? No. No.
No.

Speaker 11 You sound a Canadian there a little Pat. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 You kind of said like a boot. This conversation has turned into a little bit of a runaway, hasn't it? Yeah, a little bit of a runaway.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about, let's talk about an actual Canadian there. Geez, let's talk about greatness.
Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Jackie, last year, the narrative kind of started getting going like, hey, if Conor McDavid doesn't win this year, then we got to start having the legacy talk.

Speaker 2 We know he's the best player in the NHL, bar none, but he hasn't won. And I believe he's only got one goal in the finals so far this year.

Speaker 2 If the Panthers do go on and win tomorrow night, do you think it's going to get loud that McDavid's just kind of not a winner? He's a great player, but he doesn't have what it takes to win a cup.

Speaker 11 You know what? We saw Alex Ovechkin go through this in his career, right? Amazing, incredible player, now the greatest goal scorer of all time.

Speaker 11 You know, it took him a long time to win. He didn't win till 2018.
Um, and people said that about Alex Ovechkin. And I think there was some legitimacy to that, some, not a lot, but a little.

Speaker 11 You know, they just couldn't get past the Penguins all those years.

Speaker 11 But I think for Connor McDavid, I don't think that becomes the conversation because I think people are very aware that for the most part, I'm not really referring to the last couple of years necessarily.

Speaker 11 I don't think he's really had the right team around him. And in hockey, you know, this isn't a one-guy sport.
Like, you need three lines deep at least you need a lot of lads

Speaker 11 you need a lot of lads you do you do and so i think he i don't think the conversation will be is he a winner because last year he put this team on his back and they forced game seven after trailing three nothing and he was putting up a million points every game i think the conversation becomes is he gonna leave Like, is he going to leave Edmonton when his contract is

Speaker 1 in a year's time, right? Vegas, bitch. And so.
He's coming to Pittsburgh, Jackie. Is that what you're hearing? He's coming to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 11 Oh, my God. Listen, Brian Boucher keeps saying he's coming to Philly he's coming to Philly but you can't listen food never going to Philadelphia

Speaker 1 nobody nobody's going to Philadelphia except for what's that uh wretched looking uh gritty oh

Speaker 1 gritty gritty gritty yeah gritty the mascot gritty gritty yeah he's stuck it's kind of gritty's fault that nobody wants to go over there i'd say

Speaker 1 i think he's got fired gritty too much moxie too much moxie on gritty wasn't he loud gritty was heavy very loud he was bopped

Speaker 1 when he kid threw hands at him it was philadelphia gritty understands you could have

Speaker 1 kicked the shit out of that kid but i think mcdavid did say i'm not going to hear cousin gritty i don't know if he did that i'm pretty allegedly

Speaker 1 look i i had some family in philly i know that there's some very uh questionable spirits around uh gritty well i would say that uh philadelphia understands if your mascot's name is gritty he's probably gonna be a little gritty especially in philadelphia but i guess there it is there it is

Speaker 1 McDavid doesn't want to go because of that. Bingo.
He's worn out as well. He has worn out as well.
Yeah. Hasn't he?

Speaker 1 He's worn it completely oot.

Speaker 1 Now, something that has never happened in Philadelphia during my lifetime and probably my dad's lifetime and my father's father's lifetime is a Staten Cup celebration in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the two that could happen here. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jackie, try not to be biased here when I ask you this question because you did say the Panthers are so tight and they're a very, very fun bunch. So what would be the better celebration?

Speaker 3 It's the Florida Panthers boys and they're heading to elbow room and they're pouring beers out of the cup from the second story or a Canadian team and the Oilers winning their first cup since 1837.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, 92. I remember that.

Speaker 11 I mean, Canada will go insane if the Oilers, like it really, this year especially and last year,

Speaker 11 Canada is united, I would say, for the most part, behind the Oilers.

Speaker 11 They want to bring the cup back to Canada, even though we can get into rosters and how many Canadians are actually playing for what team and all of that nonsense.

Speaker 1 No, thank you. We're talking teams here, Jackie.
You know,

Speaker 11 I'm tired. I am tired of all my American colleagues and co-workers and people just rubbing in my face the fact that a Canadian team hasn't won the cup in basically my whole life.

Speaker 11 Maybe not my whole life, but close enough. I'm so young.

Speaker 11 So I mean, I would like to see the Oilers win just so that I don't have to hear it anymore.

Speaker 11 But I think the celebration would be, it would be big. It wouldn't be as big as if the Toronto Maple Leafs won the cup, but it would be big.
It would be big.

Speaker 1 Keep dreaming. Yeah, Toronto's going to win.
Toronto's going to win. They're going to do it sometime.

Speaker 11 One day. One day.

Speaker 1 I like the outside shots of the Canadian teams, though, to be clear. Like Pittsburgh used to host a watch-along outside.
There was people. There'd be thousands of people.
I think Boston did as well.

Speaker 1 Hockey does it more so than any other sport. Saw the Fever do it actually, and the Pacers are doing it as well.
And the court that we are live from always looks good.

Speaker 1 The Canadian ones are always bananas.

Speaker 1 It's like the whole town came out and is literally enjoying the night. It's a beautiful thing.
I couldn't even imagine what a parade would be like up there in Edmonton.

Speaker 11 It would be crazy. Like, I kid, but honestly, Oilers fans are so passionate.
It's one of the loudest buildings I've been in

Speaker 11 in the regular season, let alone during the Stanley Cup final. It is insane in there.

Speaker 11 It's insane in the moss pit outside, which is lovingly named after a former equipment, like dressing room attendant, I should say, that unfortunately passed away.

Speaker 11 But it's named after him. He's beloved in Edmonton, worked there, I think, 30 years, something like that.
I mean, he was there when Gretzky was playing.

Speaker 11 So, like, that tells you how long Joey Moss was there.

Speaker 11 So, I think his energy reverberates. He's a huge wrestling fan, too, by the way.

Speaker 11 So, I think there's some aura there with that, too. But, yeah, it's an awesome place to watch a hockey game

Speaker 11 and to see them win would be wild. They would need a lot of

Speaker 11 of police i think

Speaker 11 oh

Speaker 1 there you go

Speaker 1 jackie

Speaker 1 where are you from jackie where are you from and can't act like this is a map of canada here obviously united states is here florida's down here washington's over here you get it canada has 13 of them things up there where are you from

Speaker 11 so i'm from nova scotia which is all the way up east like across from across from maine and then through the province of new brunswick is nova scotia

Speaker 1 Way over here.

Speaker 11 Yeah, way over there. Also, the home of Brad Martian, Nathan McKinnon, and Sidney Crosby.
No big deal.

Speaker 1 Oh, pretty good. So you're from up here?

Speaker 1 No. A little bit over here.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Can't see. It's very bright.
I can't totally see, but here's Maine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Maine's here.

Speaker 11 Yeah, so if you go across, you'll see New Brunswick. You got names on that, Matt?

Speaker 1 NB, right there. Oh, no.
Nova Scotia, right here.

Speaker 11 NB and then Nova Scotia, correct.

Speaker 1 Nova Scotia is right down here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there we go. So Lunenburg.

Speaker 11 Okay, so I don't live in Lunenburg, but Lunenburg is a very nice place. Okay.
It's a big tourist attraction. They have a lot of colored buildings there.
It looks like a crayon box.

Speaker 1 This seems like somewhere we should get. Isn't it pretty close to Maine? Yeah, Maine.
We would love that over there. Is it Nova Scotia? Sidney Crosby? Exactly what I've been saying.

Speaker 1 Where is Sidney Crosby from in this place, Jackie? Is it down here? Halifax.

Speaker 1 Coal Harbor.

Speaker 11 Coal Harbor, Nova Scotia, which is very, it's around Halifax.

Speaker 1 Please zoom out, please. Can we zoom out a little bit? So it's like right there, right?

Speaker 1 That's below. It is.
Yeah. He's technically ours.
Nova Scotia should be part of New England.

Speaker 1 I did not know. Sidney Crosby's an American.
Holy shit. That is awesome.
He's part of the lower 48. We would like to contest.
We would like to contest the roster for Kayla. I did not know that was us.

Speaker 12 Unfortunately, once you're capped, it's over. You can't switch.

Speaker 1 Dog.

Speaker 1 It's over.

Speaker 11 Oh, my God. You guys are ridiculous.

Speaker 11 I did not expect that. I just popped.

Speaker 1 So where's Edmonton at? Edmonton's over way over yonder, right? Way up there.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you want mid-Canada.

Speaker 1 Oh, right next to Saskatoon.

Speaker 2 Yeah, close to Saskatoon.

Speaker 1 You got it. Edmonton's over here.

Speaker 1 Think about this finals. Oh, you know? Far flight.
I mean, you got the Pacers at Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 playing against each other in the NBA Finals, and then the NHL is like, yep, you got an eight-hour up to Edmonton, and then when you get there,

Speaker 1 craziest fans in the league. And then when you get down to Florida, it's like, don't get distracted by that beach and a goal.
That's great.

Speaker 1 Don't be enjoying Fort Laude Dowdy too much down there in summer.

Speaker 11 Oh, we've been enjoying it.

Speaker 1 Talking about the players, Jackie. What's been going on, Dunn?

Speaker 1 You guys been doing the elbow room, Dunn, or that's the place? The elbow room?

Speaker 11 The elbow room is the place. I am a professional.
I have not been there yet. I'll go if the series ends in Florida, I'll hit up the elbow room after that.

Speaker 11 But I haven't been there yet, but I've been to the beach. I've been to the pool.

Speaker 11 It's been a good time. I'm a little sunburnt, but you know, it's good.

Speaker 1 Hey, we appreciate the hell out of you. Great coverage of the NHL by your entire TNT team.
Enjoy the rest of the way. Thank you for making time.

Speaker 11 Hey, Pat and all of you guys. You guys are the best.
I'm a huge fan for many reasons. But one near the very top of the list is you guys make time for hockey when you don't have to.

Speaker 11 It means so much to the sport. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 11 And I think a lot of hockey fans do. So thank you for giving hockey attention.
We love you for it.

Speaker 1 I'll clap thank you thank you very nice very nice of you i appreciate it we love talking about

Speaker 1 we love talking about hockey love

Speaker 11 we love our hockey we love our hockey i'll i'll do the american accent uh but before i go i'm just gonna drop one nugget i have it i have a good source claiming that uh taylor swift and travis kelsey will be in the house for for game six so um get excited Jacket Redmond on the news breaking

Speaker 1 not confirmed but according to a good source hey who do they need a Miami Dolphins player on that drum? I think they're completely defeated.

Speaker 12 Owen seven when the Dolphins beat the drum.

Speaker 1 So maybe get Travis.

Speaker 1 Would he do it?

Speaker 11 Would he do it?

Speaker 1 I mean, they would have to lift that thing up six feet in the air with how tall that son of a bitch has become. I mean, he is so tall

Speaker 1 out there. But

Speaker 1 I think anytime she's in a building, positive vibes seems like that's kind of the case. They lose that last one, though.
Yeah, exactly. Last year, Luongo banged the drum

Speaker 1 seven, I believe, for them to win. So maybe he kind of mitts.

Speaker 1 remember oh yeah massive mitts he hit me in the shoulder at wwe oh yeah hey move i have no idea if this guy's gonna fight me or not great all right ladies and gentlemen jackie rabbin thank you jackie

Speaker 1 that that one was on me i i remember very specifically burying roberto luongo last year so if you took any flack for that hand up that my bad yeah that's the uh that's the interesting thing about this show you know because my name's on it so i guess that is certainly uh a part of it and i'm lucky for that obviously.

Speaker 1 But yeah, anything gets said on here by anybody that's on here.

Speaker 1 Normally, it makes its way to the person. Hey, you're here with Pat McAfee.
McAfee is it is crony's birthday shit. Are you going to take context? Are you going to ask for context as well?

Speaker 1 Are you just going to hear it completely out of context?

Speaker 1 I don't need context. I heard what I heard.
It's like, I think with us, you need context a little bit. It helps.
It definitely helps.

Speaker 1 It does help. It helps.
You need a little bit of context. Story written about me.
It's like, don't you think there should be some context to this? It's a bit. Entire,

Speaker 1 don't we think? We are a a show of context that is that is something that is a necessity i think is that what journalism is about

Speaker 1 i think so i think right uh

Speaker 1 speaking of uh we have a request in

Speaker 1 i don't know if travis kelsey is gonna be able to make yeah why because he's in cons

Speaker 1 he's in cons

Speaker 1 kelse

Speaker 1 is it

Speaker 1 florida to cons south of france

Speaker 1 sweet shirt is that closer very fashionable Travis always looks good.

Speaker 1 Except for sometimes. There's some of the outfits that don't, you know, some of them, but he knows that too.
Most of the time, it looks incredibly fly.

Speaker 1 Somebody actually said that they were checking into a hotel, and in front of them were the Kelsey brothers, and they're the size of buildings over there at Khan's Film Festival.

Speaker 1 A lot of actors and musicians over there. I couldn't imagine Jason Kelsey and Travis Kelsey walking around, especially with this new height that this guy has.
Yeah. New heights.

Speaker 1 New height, if you will. There you go.
He has gone to a different level. But how, Florida to Khan's or Florida to Edmonton? What's longer flight?

Speaker 3 So to Khan's, it says it's 11 hours and 35 minutes.

Speaker 1 That is longer. Yes.
Then

Speaker 1 Florida to Edmonton. That's what it says.
That's what the Google shows.

Speaker 1 What does Fort Lauderdale to Edmonton say? Let me see. Right now.

Speaker 1 Well, you know what the world's curvature? Yep. Okay.
So southern states trying to get to Europe, they have to battle the curvature of the earth.

Speaker 1 Okay, there's going to be people really mad that I said

Speaker 1 there's going to be people that are really mad that I said that, but that is something that they calculate for, unless they're just flying in circles up there to waste time. They could be.

Speaker 1 That is something that they have, because if you're from the northern part of America, normally you're going up a little bit, a little shot clock so we can use a smaller earth, you know, like an arch of a shot over there.

Speaker 1 So maybe that's why going to Edmonton?

Speaker 3 A little over eight hours.

Speaker 1 Okay, so both hauls. Yeah, and is that eight hours, including the two you get back? So is it 10? I'm always confused.

Speaker 3 Is it strictly flight time?

Speaker 10 It's got got to be flight time.

Speaker 1 And then flying back, you would think there'd be a little bit of a jet stream west to east in the United States of America, a little bit.

Speaker 1 You'd probably catch some over the plains, you know, coming down through the Midwest. You're trying to catch a little bit of a booster seat there.
You know,

Speaker 1 get going. That's always a nice piece of information to have.

Speaker 1 Hey, we got 500 knots up there behind us. Tonight's going to be 45 minutes shorter than the flight out here.
Yeah, flying west sucks.

Speaker 1 Dumpy, how long was that flight to San Diego we took? Oh, maybe 11 hours.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we went backwards.

Speaker 1 It felt like we were just

Speaker 1 hovering above America forever. I mean, that was scheduled to be 4.45, I think, 5.
It might have been 7.

Speaker 12 Well, we also went back three hours and still didn't help at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we missed the meeting completely. Phenomenal.

Speaker 1 The only ones that weren't at the meeting. What happened? Well, I think we were stuck over goddamn Rockies.
Yeah. I think I couldn't move.
You tell me where the wind was.

Speaker 1 We were sitting in it up there just like a kite just flying around America. It was insane.
A lot of big news happening around the sports world. Caitlin Clark is back.

Speaker 1 Caitlin, it was great to see you back on board. Great seeing you back.
There you go.

Speaker 1 How about her saying the entire time she was out with an injury? She didn't say this. The world witnessed this.
Nobody talks about WNBA, okay? More people should if it's a great sport. I agree.

Speaker 1 Caitlin Clark's not playing. Nobody.
Okay? Nobody. Caitlin Clark comes back.

Speaker 1 Everybody. Yep.

Speaker 1 Everybody. You know why?

Speaker 1 Because as she was away healing the hammock, I think she got better at shooting. So She was best shooter in league.
Now, somehow, she gets better at shooting.

Speaker 1 They had the distances that she pulled up on Beastu, and Beastu laughed at her. And even a coach in the background for the Liberty laughed and clapped about what was happening.

Speaker 1 She was clearing out entire halves of the court one-on-one throughout the entire game. She's pulling up from the logo.

Speaker 1 Obviously, she's somebody that has a logo on a court in Iowa because that's where she just pulled up from. She's shooting NBA threes, Steph Curry range threes on a very regular basis.

Speaker 1 First game back, has nine points, I think, in 12 seconds. Three straight threes from that logo right there, the WNBA Commissioners Cup, which we're probably going to win no big deal.

Speaker 1 Shout to the Fever. Caitlin Clark is back.
The WNBA, I assume, is going to ride the high of the ratings to push the rest of this season through. And what a time here in Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 They host watch parties outside of the arena for regular season games for the Fever when Caitlin is playing.

Speaker 1 People fill up not only the arena, people travel into Indianapolis, buy like a $5 ticket that gets donated just so they can watch Caitlin outside on a basketball court that is near the arena.

Speaker 1 Whenever LeBron James says the CC effect, we feel it here in Indianapolis, maybe more so than anywhere, but the league feels it as a whole. And it's only becoming more and more obvious.

Speaker 1 And I'm pumped up about that. Because when you have a superstar like this, you have to treat it as such.
Like, hey, this is, this is. And I think it's becoming way too obvious.

Speaker 1 And we're lucky as hell for it out here in Indiana, AJ.

Speaker 10 That little stretch she had with the threes and just these gigantic, like the shots that she takes and that she makes look like routine. It just blows my mind right there.
Like, are you serious?

Speaker 10 Like, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 Give me that.

Speaker 1 Also, New York just scored. Tyrese Halliburton, quick inbound.
She's running. She's not scared to run.
Her Iowa teams ran. I mean, they ran teams out of the gym.

Speaker 1 She would have those full court passes at Iowa that made me believe, like, oh, when she gets a WNBA, and no offense to the Iowa Hawkeyes women's basketball team, but obviously there are some better basketball players that are taller, maybe, and a little bit more athletic.

Speaker 1 There were at other schools that are going to be in the WNBA. No offense to the Hawkeyes.
So I just couldn't even imagine the passes that she was going to be able to do.

Speaker 1 Caitlin will pull this thing from one foul shot line to the other, full court passes. She is a, the style of play is what you are kind of hypnotized by.

Speaker 1 And she seems to have an unflappable confidence. And she's back and there's no rust, Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's a complete player, too. I think she had nine rebounds and eight assists.

Speaker 2 So like a lot of people, you know, or people that don't like her, I think, just say that she just chucks shots up from deep.

Speaker 2 But it was also cool post-game seeing Sabrina Ionescu and Brianna Stewart, like,

Speaker 2 you know, they were, they were genuinely happy for, like, yeah, this league is better when she's playing. So it was awesome that in her first game back, she did what she did.

Speaker 2 And I think we are kind of getting to the point where.

Speaker 2 The, I mean, I don't know, jealousy is a weird thing to say, but like people realize how important she is to the league.

Speaker 1 I think there was like, you're going to have to prove it to me. Yeah.
I did a little off-season research on this.

Speaker 1 I'm like, hey, how come they won't just say it how come they won't just say like she's the one and the conversation goes to there's been a lot of these supposed to be the one supposed to be the one supposed to be the one so I think the OGs if you will the old guard of the WNBA was like you're gonna have to show me you're gonna have to show me and then now with everything that has kind of happened remember she was getting full court press last year remember there's a shot of the girl she was in between shooting two at the free throw line and she was so worried about a rookie caitlin clark that she shoots her first free throw ah

Speaker 1 like, lady, you got to shoot another one. Sorry.

Speaker 1 You wait. You know what's coming.
And he was like, yeah, she took everybody's best shots. Keeps going.
I think this FIFA team have a chance to go to run. And then, you know, you know what that means.

Speaker 1 Thinking about a parade? Oh, two parade?

Speaker 1 Nine points. Not again.
What? Not again. What are you talking about? It was really fun after game three, you know, being like, hold on.
You know, we're all believers now. It's 2-1.
Don't look now.

Speaker 1 And then during that fourth quarter, I think we all saw what happened. Everyone on the pacers bench is looking around like,

Speaker 1 it's sunshine and rainbows around here. This is going to be fun when we start having a parade.
And then, oh, 31-17, OKC in the fourth, they blow a lead. All of a sudden, it's 2-2.

Speaker 1 We're going back to Oklahoma City.

Speaker 1 You're saying less parade thinking. That cool parade thought turned into, oh my God, my...
My off-season's two months shorter now. You said the parade thinking was like Kool-Aid drinking.

Speaker 1 Everybody Everybody was a little bit too misguided on what the reality of the situation was. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 I need more players thinking about, you know, actually scoring baskets than thinking about, you know, parades in Solitaire. Okay.

Speaker 1 I need to be thinking of three-point shots going in the hoop from Aaron East. Solitaire is going, dang, you can move that pretty quick, Craig.
You can double tap at the end.

Speaker 1 My brother actually used to play Solitaire on on our house computer, which was in the kitchen. Kids don't understand this.
This is what it was back in the day. House computer was in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 Kitchen was obviously located or connected to the living room. Living room connected to the small closet to my bedroom.
Okay, so my brother was two rooms away, but basically one short hallway away.

Speaker 1 He was playing Solitaire at night. He's a tappy bastard, disc character.
Oh, yeah. He's tapping.

Speaker 1 He must have a world speed record on Solitaire. I mean, I could hear that mouse clicking

Speaker 1 as he was dragging those. Those games fly.

Speaker 1 I think Jason McAfee would get through a Solitaire hand faster than anybody on earth whenever he was about 17, maybe 18 years old, because I heard every click in my bedroom as I was trying to fall asleep.

Speaker 1 And whenever I saw, I didn't even know you could play it on your phone. No idea.
I didn't even think about that. I got GTA on my phone.

Speaker 1 I'm playing GTA on my phone, running around, driving cars and stuff.

Speaker 1 Maybe some other stuff happening there. Sure, there's a chance.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? You think Jay could finish a whole Solitaire game in a 30-second timeout, too? I think he could. I think Jason McAfee could.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I don't think everybody, I think a lot of this generation maybe had no idea that that game still exists. I mean, maybe, I don't know.
Play a lot of cards.

Speaker 1 But the fact that he's still committed to the game, I respect it. And you don't think he's doing research.
He's definitely doing research. Has to.
Who Jay? No, not Jay.

Speaker 1 We're talking about Stephen Jay Smith.

Speaker 1 I appreciated Stephen A. I caught him out.
He didn't, you know, there was no anger. He's like, yeah, this is how it is.
Yeah. Guy dressed as dumb and dumber with Kendrick Perkins and Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Just rolled with the punches. Those two.
I respect that. I like that.
These are good things, not bad things, you know, as they roll. Those two paid at least $250,000 for those tickets.

Speaker 1 So much money for those tickets. They did that.
So much. Hats off to them.
So much money. That had to be a quarter of a million dollars.

Speaker 3 Well, they just found a Samsonite briefcase with a bunch of money in it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, right. They could swimmy, swami, swimming, Samsonite.
That's it. The um, the thought of them, then, okay, we got a quarter of a million dollars in tickets.
What do we do now?

Speaker 1 We gotta make a statement. Stress.
That's a good statement. What's a good statement? They had some clear ideas.

Speaker 1 I believe there was probably three Stooges type references. Sure.
Yep. Yep.
It was only two of us. We've 500,000, three tickets.

Speaker 1 Well, you can do two. And as soon as they thought of Dumb and Dumb, they're like, brilliant.
I'll be Stephen A. You're Perkins.
Yeah. And then he sits in front row and they look magnificent.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is

Speaker 1 genius. And Perkins, Stephen A, to their credit, kept rolling.
Yeah. Kept rolling with the punches.
I enjoy that.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might know a little bit more about that particular story on who those two dudes were, but certainly about everything else happening around the NBA.

Speaker 1 Senior insider for the NBA on ESPN, ladies and gentlemen, Sean Shironia.

Speaker 1 Shaman. Whoa, Shams, you look so cool right now.
Jeez, please.

Speaker 6 You know what? I was actually trying to get on the court for you guys

Speaker 6 before my sports center hit, but I'm not going to be able to right now. But we're in this quiet room.
I feel like I'm in a...

Speaker 1 I'm trapped somewhere. Yeah, Sports Center at 2 o'clock.
We appreciate you joining us here to wrap up hour two. Let's get right into it.

Speaker 1 Anything we need to know about tonight's game that we should be thinking about that you're hearing while Boots on the ground in Oklahoma City?

Speaker 6 I feel like what we saw in game in game four, I mean,

Speaker 6 the bench, you know, with the thunder, the way that they played. I mean, to me, it just comes down,

Speaker 6 can the Pacers bench have the same type of effort, the same type of production we saw in game three?

Speaker 6 How will that balance itself out? But listen, when you have Chet Holmgren, Jay Dub, and Shea play at the level that they played at,

Speaker 6 I mean, it's really going to come down to the big threes and the benches. So very interested to see how tonight's game goes.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Shams, with SGA, we see that like whatever you do to try to stop this guy, when the time matters, this guy finds a way to take over. I love watching these crazy mid-range shots.

Speaker 10 He can do everything, I feel like, with the body control he has. What can these Pacers do? And what do you expect, I guess, from Shay moving forward in these next couple games?

Speaker 6 AJ, I mean, at the end of the day, you just have to hope that he just struggles from the field. I mean, we've seen a couple off games from him in the playoffs, but there haven't been many.

Speaker 6 Maybe two, three at most over the course of this run to the finals. He's so cerebral.
His game is so compact. He's got the mid-range shot.
He's shooting the three.

Speaker 6 He obviously can get to the foul line, like, like fans want to give him a hard time for. I find his game aesthetically pleasing.

Speaker 6 I find his game to be one of the, like, like you think about guys like Kobe, I mean, in terms of the mid-range shot, KD's, you know, been revolutionary for the mid-range jumper as well.

Speaker 6 So I look at Shea Gilles Alexander as a complete offensive player.

Speaker 6 And on most nights, even on nights when he's struggling to start the game, like he's able to be a complete player, complete closer for that Thunder team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I looked up at the stats and he had 18 points and I'm like, he hasn't, I feel like we had him contained.

Speaker 1 And I look up and he's already scored 18 points and I'm like, oh, this guy's unbelievable. And then he takes 16 steps and nobody calls anything.

Speaker 1 And then you just think to yourself, wow, he's able to do whatever he wants.

Speaker 6 Was that an offensive foul, though? Was that an offensive foul?

Speaker 1 Are you talking about when he punched him in the head like Derek Henry? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, let me punch Nee Smith in the mouth.
Let me gather myself, gather myself, gather myself.

Speaker 3 50-50 call, but that was

Speaker 6 pretty egregious, right?

Speaker 1 Well, and then he gathered himself and gathered himself and couldn't gather himself, so he had to continue to gather himself, and then he gathered himself again. I mean, there's four gathers.

Speaker 1 I think that's a lot of gathers. I mean, I don't know how many.
And he's running directly away from the hoop. So, you know, it's

Speaker 1 it, it's not.

Speaker 2 That's a nice shot, though.

Speaker 6 That's a nice shot. Nah, I don't think that's a travel, though.

Speaker 1 No, it doesn't look like that. All right, I agree.
But whatever you want to call it, this dude is unstoppable. I felt this way against Jalen.
It's fun to watch these types of guys.

Speaker 1 Now, people get pissed off about them going to the foul line. There were 71 foul shots in that game.
We can't have it. That's not what we're here for.

Speaker 1 That's not what we're here for. Can't have it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Just as somebody that is not a full-time basketball person, that, you know, tries to understand your game as best as I possibly can.

Speaker 1 Just know from our world, the NFL's world, nobody wants to watch the refs take over a game. Okay? Correct.
Nobody.

Speaker 1 So let's just, let's have a good basketball game tonight and let the boys play. Swallow the whistle.
Let TJ McConnell come in here with a European uppercut if he wants to.

Speaker 1 If he wants to do it, I'll let the boys play out there because I think Dags and I think Carlisle are going to have him ready to go tonight. Because the Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 We've seen that, though, for most of the playoffs. We've seen the refs allow physicality.
We've seen refs allow things to happen. So in that case, that was physical play.
Now you wanted to,

Speaker 2 the biggest thing is having it called the same way on the opposite end of the floor when Tyrese has similar plays yes you know Hobie or some of the other guys so it's just consistency is the one thing I hear from coaches and players if you're gonna call it one male that on that side of the court call the same one the other on the other yeah it's very very difficult obviously uh to officiate so good luck to all parties there let's move along we only have a few minutes you only have a few minutes a lot of things to talk about go ahead ty yeah shams uh the desmond bain trade is that kind of like the first thing to really like start the tidal wave of all these different trades you mentioned last last week on the show hey the durant trade could happen at any time and now if you look at like NBA Central, they have so many tweets about, oh, this player is getting shopped.

Speaker 2 This player is potentially getting traded. Like, are we about to see a bunch of trades in the next few days to few weeks here?

Speaker 6 We're definitely going to get a bunch of trades. I don't know exactly when, but listen, I think from Kevin Durant was the biggest domino that we've been talking about, the biggest available domino.

Speaker 6 And that's still out there. That could be really any day at this point now.
Could be sometime this week. We'll see.

Speaker 6 The biggest thing is, will they play that closer to the NBA draft on june 25th or will there be a deal that hits their threshold and they're able to get a deal done before that point but i mean the bain deal is something we not many people in the league expected but you think about it from memphis's perspective it allowed them to get all these draft assets i mean that's a major haul that they're able to get and now they can use those picks to continue to build from my understanding the grizzlies are signaling privately that they want to continue to build around Jaron Jackson Jr.

Speaker 6 and John Morant, that that is their plan. That's their intention.

Speaker 6 And this is a move for them to pivot away from that core three that we've seen with Bain, Morant, and Jackson and kind of have more youth and have more flexibility. They have to pay Jaron Jackson Jr.

Speaker 6 this offseason, and that allows them to do so. And everything they've done is to build around John Morant by firing Taylor Jenkins, having Tuomos Isolo be the new head coach.

Speaker 6 That was for John Morant, from my understanding. That's to allow the Grizzlies offense to have more free-flowing style.
And now I think what we're going to see is two through four.

Speaker 6 They're going to try to be very defensive-oriented, defensive-minded there. Like Jalen Wells, that's a guy who might not be a household name quite yet.

Speaker 6 He was one of the guys for rookie of the year runner-ups, and he's someone that they have high hopes for.

Speaker 6 Like, that's a guy that I believe the Grizzlies feel is their starting two guard of the future.

Speaker 6 And so, if you have those aspirations, you need to make sure that you're good from a financial component because you talk about the second apron, you talk about the first apron, and having Desmond Bain on a max contract along with Jaron Jackson's big deal, along with John Morant's max contract, it makes team building very difficult.

Speaker 1 We'll have you on in the future to talk about the apron talk because that feels like that's a big deal whenever it comes to trades and who you're paying and how you're doing.

Speaker 6 Just to clear it up, though, like everyone wants to make a big deal about like draft picks, right, versus versus trades. I saw you talking earlier with Q Rich, right?

Speaker 6 Like last year, we saw Mikhail Bridges go for, what was it, five first-round picks, and the Nets got Boyan Bogdanovich. Boyan Bogdanovich was not a player for the Nets this season.

Speaker 6 Like he was a non-factor. So they got those five first-round picks.
In this case, you get Desmond, you give up Desmond Bain, you get four first-round picks and a swap.

Speaker 6 And at that point, you get two players that you feel like can help you now a little bit, but they're doing the deal because of the haul of the draft picks.

Speaker 6 You think about Luca Doncha is that Anthony Davis trade. If you put Anthony Davis on the open market right now, he's fetching you four or five first-round picks right now.

Speaker 6 So I think it's about, do you want to trade for the player or do you want to trade for the picks? And obviously in Dallas's perspective, they want to trade for the player. So

Speaker 6 each trade is different. The Phoenix trade is going to be totally different as well.

Speaker 1 Okay, you nailed it. You actually sent us out right on perfect time, and I know you got to get to Sports Center, which is in three minutes or so.
What you're saying is the Anthony Davis-Luca trade.

Speaker 1 People are obviously commenting because what Bain just went for, but Dallas right now could get five picks for AD.

Speaker 1 So Luca actually went for five first-rounders or six first-rounders if you were to do the math, including AD on top of that. So I respect it, but the way you guys just toss around draft picks is

Speaker 6 wild.

Speaker 1 It's wild It's wild. It's wild.
And the Yarnis words. 100 first-rounders.
His artists worth 100 first-rounders. For the rest of the time.

Speaker 6 There are teams out there that would give between

Speaker 6 four and six first-round picks easy for Yonisa to DeCumpo.

Speaker 1 Man, you guys are crazy over there.

Speaker 10 Or don't care about it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, legit.

Speaker 10 They don't care about the first round picks.

Speaker 1 They don't really value the first-round picks unless you're top three or what?

Speaker 6 If you're giving up those amounts of first-round picks, you're probably not also going to give like a ton of young players and things like that, right? So, it's like it's all

Speaker 6 a balance based on just value and what you see fit.

Speaker 1 So, you like your young players, so we're not going to need to add any new young players.

Speaker 1 So, we'll give up four or five years' worth of young players to raise our young players and get a megastar in here with our guys. So, they will basically supplement your draft class.
Got it.

Speaker 1 All right. We appreciate the hell out of you, Shams.
Good luck on Spotify.

Speaker 6 I'm being told I got to go.

Speaker 1 Thanks, David, Shams. Sharony.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

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Speaker 1 Makes no sense.

Speaker 10 I guess if you feel like you can get a franchise guy, you're willing to give up five years' worth of picks.

Speaker 1 Well, also, if you like your young guys, which I think is what he said there.

Speaker 1 Like we have, because there's only so many players, I guess, on the roster, you know, in the amount of money they're allowed to pay.

Speaker 1 I guess the apron thing, apron conversation shows up, but we talk about the eighth player on the bench getting paid, ninth player on the bench getting paid.

Speaker 1 It's like that might be a young guy that they've kind of kept in there.

Speaker 1 So instead of replacing him with a new draft pick each year like we do in the NFL, we replace the bottom 25 spots on every team with young guys because they're cheaper.

Speaker 1 It sounds like some NBA teams like, we actually like the bottom half of our roster. Let's just let them grow.
And then,

Speaker 1 yeah, we'll sacrifice that 2051 first round or two. Yep.

Speaker 2 Don't want to.

Speaker 1 That's what's so weird sometimes. It's like the Celtics at times have had players in the G League be, you know, first team G League, whatever the hell it is, first team all NBA.
but all G. All G.

Speaker 1 There you go. But they never,

Speaker 1 they never end up actually making it with the Celtics. So that's why, how do you even know when you like your young core?

Speaker 1 Because if they perform well in the G League, you don't even know if they're going to turn out to suck. I just assume I didn't even think about the G League.

Speaker 1 I guess that's probably where I should be thinking first, but it's like, I'm talking about the end of the bench. Yeah, yeah.
No, I know. That's why I'm like

Speaker 1 Bronny. He almost came into my mind.
Because they had like a full plan this year for Bronny to get reps down in the G League, and then he's going to get experience as an NBA player.

Speaker 1 So you can watch your dad work every day, which I guess is

Speaker 1 from the sounds of it, his work ethic is fucking phenomenal.

Speaker 1 Isn't that kind of a weird thing? That every person that is,

Speaker 1 you know. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And by weird, you mean makes complete sense, and there's no

Speaker 10 people don't just fall into being a superstar. You don't just have, you don't just wake up and become a superstar.
You have to absolutely, all the best of them absolutely work for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you

Speaker 1 any

Speaker 1 bucket of life that you choose to get into, any bucket, you can name it. Now, granted, there are head starts.
God bless you. The Pope gave a great sermon about sports.

Speaker 1 So we'll say the sports bucket is certainly one of them, but any bucket of life, and some people certainly have head starts, certainly, no doubt about it. That's just a fact of life.

Speaker 1 You need to understand that.

Speaker 1 The networks that are created from some families are going to give them a head start in a lot of businesses, especially in businesses where you need to have good network to have success.

Speaker 1 So there's certainly going to be head starts.

Speaker 1 But once you get past the mindset of like, oh, it's not fair. And you go like, all right, they have a head start, but let's see if we can fucking catch them.
It's like work ethic is the only thing.

Speaker 1 Like work ethic is the only

Speaker 1 common factor in every single bucket for massive success. Like it really is.
And, you know, that's.

Speaker 10 Consistent success too. Don't you? I think to be consistent year after year after year, like there's some people that pop up for a year or two, yeah.

Speaker 10 But if they're not going to to do what it takes and continue to do what it takes to stay at that level or continue to get better, that's where you see people fall off.

Speaker 10 That's why it's so impressive what guys like LeBron have been able to do.

Speaker 1 20 years, still the first one in, last one out, loudest one in there. I guess every practice, he's full go every rep.

Speaker 1 It's like, then they tell stories about the Mamba mentality, obviously, and Michael Jordan, what he's doing. And then you go into football and it's like, I watched Bate Manning.

Speaker 1 And that guy was a fucking robot. That was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Running sprints during the punt period, which is supposed to be like down period for offense, defense, because special teams is on the full field.

Speaker 1 And this massive dome is just helmet on, full pads, full pads, helmet on. Sprinting back and forth, running gassers in the middle of practice.

Speaker 1 And it's like him and the quarterbacks are the only ones doing it. Nobody else is doing it.
And it's like, out of all the people, obviously, no wasted second, it's this guy.

Speaker 1 And then the film, the story about, you know, having a movie theater basically attached to his bedroom because, you know, hey, 2 a.m. might pop up.
I got a question. Think of someone.

Speaker 1 Clyde Christensen, quarterback coach of the Colts. Yeah, you better answer a fucking call too at 2 a.m.
Like I need an answer because there's some film going on.

Speaker 1 It's like then there's stories of Tom Brady. And then obviously you think about Bill Belichick.
And they can go through any sport, I would assume. Yeah.
I mean, it's the same story.

Speaker 1 Wayne O, you talk about in hockey. I literally asked him, hey, did you ever look back and wonder why? You were better than everybody?

Speaker 1 And it's like an uncomfortable question, but I wanted to get to like, hey, why do you think it worked for you? And maybe it didn't work. He was like, practice, work.

Speaker 1 Everything's just like work, work, work, work, work. And it's very rarely something that's spotlighted for kids.
I'm watching a lot of these kids' shows. You know, trying to teach them everything.

Speaker 1 It's like, hey, when can we get some work? Hey, you're going to have to fucking work now. Like, this is how the world operates.

Speaker 1 It's a crazy thing to like kind of realize, I think, for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, we've been seeing that a bunch with Scotty Scheffler lately. He's done with his round, and then he's back.
He's out on the pract on either the practice screen or the driving range.

Speaker 2 No one else is around him. Sometimes Sometimes he's leading the tournament and he's staying there until the sun goes down.
And like, I don't know if anyone else saw it.

Speaker 2 Like, there was a new Rolex commercial that was incredible that was about him and just kind of like his career path. And like, same deal.

Speaker 2 He wasn't like the most sought-after amateur. He kind of just like, he's just grinded and like put the work in and put the work in and put the work in.

Speaker 2 And now they're talking about like he might, he's arguably the best golfer since Tigers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's talk about Tiger. Think about what Tiger's work ethic was.
They talked about his

Speaker 10 work ethic was too off, was off the chart so much he hurt himself. Yeah, ruined his back.

Speaker 1 How'd you hurt your back? I don't know. I'm up 5 a.m.
every single morning working on my wedges. Then I do 3,000 putts.

Speaker 1 Then I get the driver out. Then I play 26 holes.

Speaker 1 Then I have a workout. Then I massage.
Then I putt again. Then I chip again.
He was like doing that since he was like this big. Trading with the SEALs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mentally getting after it. Yeah.
And then Serena Williams and Venus Williams. We watched that movie about it.
It's like, you got to work, man. That's why I like the people now.

Speaker 1 Like Shufflers, I feel like it's in that bucket, like

Speaker 1 Carlos Alcaraz, like, for how young he is.

Speaker 1 Scooty's the same, too, because he's still in his 20s, but for how young Carlos Alcaraz is, and for the guys that he's going up against, like, Scotty, I guess, did he ever get to play against Tiger?

Speaker 1 But even then, Tiger was, you know, is after his accident and everything.

Speaker 1 Like, Carlos Alcaraz is going up against these dudes who are in their late 30s, which is an advantage for him, but still cool that you get to see like the two generational talents.

Speaker 1 It's why we got to appreciate what what we're watching you know yeah so much work is going into that like caitlin clark doesn't just uh you know enter this world and have the ability to pull up from the parking lot it's like the amount of yeah

Speaker 1 to have that confidence too the amount of i mean sga like sga i get like the foul stuff and him pushing off anytime he drives to the right and pulls up like right at the front foul line it's automatic

Speaker 1 it feels as though that type of basketball hasn't been around from a guard in a while just because it's so many three-pointers. But when he drives to the hole and when he pulls up, it is magical.

Speaker 1 And he wasn't a top pick. He got traded there, which is even cooler.
Yeah, sports are awesome. Shout out to Mr.
Pope. Did you see? AJ, did you see that? He's awesome.

Speaker 10 That was beautiful. You opened up the show with it.

Speaker 1 That was awesome. I felt obligated to.
Like, hey, you know why we do this? Because we love sports.

Speaker 1 Somebody broached the subject to me that some people who don't... who cover sports don't love sports.
Really? Whoa. I didn't even think of that.

Speaker 1 I was like, why would these, I said, why would you do do it?

Speaker 2 It'd be a miserable existence if you didn't.

Speaker 1 But I guess that exists. I did not know that.
I didn't think about it.

Speaker 10 Like, if I taught like a math class, that'd be like how I would feel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in general. Any teaching.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of teachers that hate kids, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Do they grow to hate kids? They had to love them when they first got in, right?

Speaker 1 That might be the same thing. I don't know.
I think I had a couple teachers. It was their first year, and they fucking hated my guts immediately on me

Speaker 1 in that classroom. Those journalists might have grown to hate their sport because of how much it's changed.
Although jaded in it all.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the Pope, though. Hey, sports Pope is a good thing.
Love you, Pope.

Speaker 10 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And talking about us over me, I mean, that goes to work ethic and like teaches us how to lose.

Speaker 10 I love it. He says it teaches us how to lose.
That is absolutely

Speaker 1 a little adversity comes into your life. How are you going to handle it? Well, there's another game coming.
So you're going to have to get over this at some point because we got to.

Speaker 10 That's going to wake me up in the morning. The fact that I did lose.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And also, when you're tired, you're going to have to fucking.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah, but I don't feel my.
myself. None of us do.
We got to.

Speaker 2 Just the fact that we have a current Pope who's wearing a fucking fitted white socks hat with his robes. I thought that was Photoshop, but it's like, nope, that's real.
This is fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 Hey, Mr. Pope, we appreciate it.
Yeah. Hey, yeah, Leo.

Speaker 1 I've been told I am allowed to call him Mr. Pope.
Because I knew there was a ranking system. You know, like whenever I put the Mr.
Amen, Mr. Pope, amen thing out.

Speaker 1 A lot of people, I seen you should be calling him father. Uh-uh, he was father a long time ago.
Yeah. He's no longer beneath him.
Yeah. His last stage he was at was cardinal.
And then he became Mr.

Speaker 1 Pope. But you can also call Mr.
Pope also.

Speaker 2 You know, His Excellency,

Speaker 1 Holiness.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Holiest of Holies. His Holiness.

Speaker 1 Was there an essence or something? What was the

Speaker 3 internet is saying if you were to address him in person, it would be your holiness or Holy Father.

Speaker 1 Holy

Speaker 1 Father.

Speaker 2 As long as you're not saying something like negative or like disparaging, you can have whatever relationship with the Pope you want. That's kind of why Catholicism is awesome.

Speaker 1 So he's kind of the tribal chief of the Catholics? Correct. He's got the Ula Fala?

Speaker 2 Yes, he does. In this case, a fitted white sock cap is the ceremonial ulafala.

Speaker 1 Okay. What are the chains? Are the chains all the same? Just swag.
Moxie. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Got a little sauce on the Pope.
Exactly. A little sauce on the sports Pope.

Speaker 1 I like what he's doing. I like what he's preaching.
Yeah. Anytime Anytime you're preaching sports as like a part of being good for society, I'm about it.
Because there's people that don't like sports.

Speaker 1 What do they do?

Speaker 1 We'll never know. All right.
We'll be back tomorrow.

Speaker 1 We will never know. Exactly.
We will never know. Big game tonight.
AJ, Oklahoma City, hosts the Indiana Pacers, the Thunder.

Speaker 1 Nine and a half point favorites at home in front of what's going to be allowed.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? Are you okay? You've been bopping the shit out of your mic. I've been coughing.

Speaker 10 Yeah, this whole thing is messed up. I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 1 What is it? I'm working through it. I'm working through it.
It feels like you're doing a lot of this right now.

Speaker 10 Years ago, now, you remember a couple years ago, I had a thing completely fell, and I just held the mic on for the whole show. I'm working through something like that right now.
We're good. I got it.

Speaker 1 We'll figure it out. Something's going on with your rig.
The hawks.

Speaker 1 Sorry. The hawks thrive under adversity.
That's right. We do.
We try to. Earlier, you didn't mute your mic, and I heard you just bopping that thing over there.
Oh, I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 Not the coughing, not even the coughing. You were just bopping the shit out of it.
Yeah, and then we kind of cough a little bit later. Feels like you've been kind of going through it over there.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you battling through some adversity. With that being said, the Pacers are going to have to battle through some adversity over there in Oklahoma City.
Their fans showed up at 3.30 a.m.

Speaker 1 to greet the team as they flew back to Oklahoma to host game

Speaker 1 five of the NBA Finals presented by YouTube TV.

Speaker 1 Nailed that. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 AJ, who do you like? How do you like? Huh?

Speaker 10 Man, so I honestly, I still feel good about the Pacers winning this one. The Pacers were in control last game.
This one, they're going to have to weather the storm early.

Speaker 10 We know that place is going to be on fire, no question. Let's find a way to quiet the crowd down late in the game when it matters.
Late in the third, just hang around.

Speaker 10 Third, take the lead midway through the fourth. Take this thing home.

Speaker 1 Pacers win. Okay, Pacers money line, me too.

Speaker 1 Plus nine and a half is real nice, though. Yeah.
But that is not advice.

Speaker 1 Or a pick.

Speaker 1 I'm just telling you what I'm doing. Exactly.
Shout out to my daughter painting this dinosaur. Roar.

Speaker 1 Nice. Roar.
Hope you had a great Father's Day. AJ, we wished you happy Father's Day earlier.
Thank you.

Speaker 10 Happy Father's Day to you guys as well.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Oh, look at Jesus. That's Jesus dancing next to the dinosaur.
And

Speaker 1 there's a DoorDash

Speaker 1 bottle that will certainly

Speaker 1 order more. Now,

Speaker 1 the DoorDash relationship

Speaker 1 has become a little bit bit too much, I've realized.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? I ordered a smoothie earlier. Sure.
Oh. And I looked at the price.

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. I hear you.

Speaker 1 I'm spending a lot on there. But you didn't even think twice, and you just did it.
No, I fucking double-tap that thing and scan my face.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Fucking get here quicker.
Let's address five bucks.

Speaker 1 $2.99, of course. Of course.
If fucking need is, is it still going to be cold? Probably not. Fucking A, three bucks for that? Of course.
Convenience fee? Go ahead and shit.

Speaker 2 It is lunacy how much we're paying for DoorDash.

Speaker 1 i mean it's fucking great business that that is why you got hot us by the ball paying for convenience you're paying for them to bring it to you yeah

Speaker 1 don't look at the price if you're doing it right no can't do it and then the tip part you know some of the some of the places are like percentages some of them are actual dollars so i always want to do more than whatever is offered so i go one dollar more than whatever's offered okay whatever the highest one is every once in a while i drop into percentage though And then I don't know what the actual number is.

Speaker 1 And I type in what the number is. And I go, holy shit, I'm paying how much for what here? Oh, yeah.
holy man

Speaker 1 and when they're working for other apps too and they're doing four other deliveries that's the worst thing of all time yeah we can't be getting hustled but i'm paying 2.99 yeah so that ain't seeing the time yeah okay they don't need to be hustled we have we've caught a few out here oh yeah we let them know though aj i don't know how you talk to your door dash delivery people we let them know that we know we know the game you're playing don't like it

Speaker 1 Don't like it at all. Got four people in that car.
How come you all got phones out and how come you all got got orders? Yeah, what's going on?

Speaker 10 I Don't like I've never confronted them never talked to him.

Speaker 1 We just tell them we just do a we know we do a we know We know and also you spelled the whole fucking thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, thanks

Speaker 1 I Appreciate your service. I tipped you big

Speaker 1 Would you like the rate? No, I just fucking would like my next thing to come at a wild price

Speaker 1 It is a great app, though. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 10 I've had to go pick it up at neighbors houses.

Speaker 10 I've had to go like I see they dropped it off like a neighbor's house two neighborhoods over, and I got to go sneak onto somebody's porch and grab it without them knowing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're looking for the picture to try to match

Speaker 1 the front door. That happens.

Speaker 2 They have gotten lazier. I will say that.

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 2 I mean, they're supposed to drop it. It's called DoorDash.
You're supposed to drop it off at the fucking door.

Speaker 2 When we order here and you go outside and these people just sit in their cars and wait for it, it's like, uh-uh, that's not how this works. It's raining.

Speaker 2 Get your ass out of the car and bring it over to the door.

Speaker 1 They think you're dashing to their door. Bingo.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Wrong dash.

Speaker 2 Not car door dash, okay?

Speaker 1 it's door dash my door yeah and 399 yeah exactly

Speaker 1 i don't we know

Speaker 1 great app though yeah great

Speaker 1 changed it changed everything changed everything amazon obviously game changer yeah people who like the shop who i might live with one

Speaker 1 will and i'm not talking about the two-year-old sure sure

Speaker 1 will love the convenience of being able to get anything at any time.

Speaker 1 And what you're also signing up for is more cardboard boxes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 a lot more yeah yeah i've become i worked at a pizza shop whenever i was younger dallas house pizza one of the things was making the boxes you know because it was just flat and then breaking down the boxes i'm doing that fucking amazon boxes just fucking breaking these things down because they're just eating up the whole garbage can yep got four items in the garbage can before that thing's fucking flopped open what is it well it's three amazon deliveries what the fuck did we get oh wait a jump rope I fucking needed it.

Speaker 1 Sweet. I fucking needed it.

Speaker 10 You got to start burning them. You got to burn the boxes.

Speaker 1 Control burn.

Speaker 10 It takes time, though. It takes time.

Speaker 1 I like that idea. I don't mind a nice fire.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Good fire.

Speaker 7 I wish Amazon would offer a service to come pick up the boxes from you.

Speaker 1 Like you pay a monthly fee,

Speaker 7 put your boxes out like the garbage man.

Speaker 7 They come and pick them up.

Speaker 1 Box dash. Paul them off and get rid of them.
I'll say

Speaker 1 the new garbage men

Speaker 1 at the noon there, they're a pretty inconsistent group. Really? Okay.
I never knew that.

Speaker 3 Like showing up for Really?

Speaker 1 The time in which they arrive

Speaker 1 is not the same. That's a wild thing.

Speaker 2 You should be able to set your wash to that.

Speaker 1 That's what I always thought. Yeah.
That's how my guys are, thankfully. I thought that's how the thing was.
Should be. I'll tell you what.
One time, we got a 6.30 arrival. A.M.

Speaker 1 One time.

Speaker 1 One time, we got a 6.30 p.m. arrival.
That's weird. Yeah, I'm in the middle of it.
I'm trying to figure out the cadence. I would like to talk to him.
Like, hey, what is the kind of the deal?

Speaker 1 What's going on? That's time here. Is it when you guys are traveling around in in the neighborhood? Like, what, how do we,

Speaker 1 how do I know when I need to be out here?

Speaker 1 Because the 545 scramble.

Speaker 3 Sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Don't love that.
It's not.

Speaker 10 You hear them three houses down. You start spritting out and getting all your stuff.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Oh, no.
They're early. They're early.
Life, so good. Yesterday was so awesome.
Took a walk with Mackenzie. She's at a good stage of just like moving, talking.

Speaker 1 What's that? A lot of that's.

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 1 What's that? And then I explain it. What's that?

Speaker 1 Trying to explain things is very fascinating as well. How many kids do you actually have? Four.
How old?

Speaker 10 Oh boy. 14, 12, 9, and 8 now.
Okay. It's crazy how old they are.

Speaker 1 14 to 8 is the.

Speaker 1 Okay. You feel, so you're learning new things with the 14-year-old.
Eight, you already know everything that's coming.

Speaker 10 No, he's a wild card, the youngest.

Speaker 6 But yeah,

Speaker 10 I mean, yeah, you deal with 5,000 5,000 questions a day. It's good.
It keeps your brain active. It keeps you half, like, you got to be creative.

Speaker 10 Like, I have to think of like, okay, how am I going to explain this to them?

Speaker 1 Shout out to Jerry Seinfeld. Watch that B movie 4,000 times this weekend.
Learned a lot about honey. They love honey over there.
Oh, B movie.

Speaker 1 Jeez, Louise, they love honey. Have you seen the B movie?

Speaker 10 I don't know. I've never seen it, actually.
Great. It's great.

Speaker 1 Mackenzie loves flowers. So when she, what's that? It's the flowers.
I got all the information from

Speaker 1 the B movie. That's a very informative movie, that B movie.
That's Jerry to a T. The Paulin Jocks are a real fucking badass group of B's.
They are a badass group. They put those helmets on.

Speaker 1 I'm watching all these types of movies. Obviously, no adults are watching them.
Actually, I heard there's adults doing kids' things all by themselves, and it's weird for sure. But

Speaker 1 yeah, like going to Disney World as an adult singer, I guess that's happening. People just love the rides, I guess.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Space Mountain, keep it coming back.

Speaker 1 Well, the Avatar rides

Speaker 1 unbelievable. But I'm experiencing all these movies for the first time with her.
Like Lion King and all these legendary movies that I did not watch as a kid. These are good movies.
Good hell.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. They're great.
I mean, it makes sense why they've still detested time.

Speaker 1 Can't wait for you to really get into the Pixars.

Speaker 1 Which ones are those? Toy Story. Soul.
I saw Toy Story. Everybody saw Toy Story.
That was back whenever we went to movie theaters. Yeah.
No, the newer ones. I mean, like Coco.

Speaker 1 Have you seen Coco?

Speaker 1 I've not seen Coco. I've seen

Speaker 1 Soul.

Speaker 10 Coco's good. Coco's good.
Yeah, Coco's good.

Speaker 1 Have you seen Zootopia? No, I've not seen Zootopia. Yeah, there's a few, there's a few bangers.
Animations seemingly always bangers. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Wild Robot, have you seen that one?

Speaker 1 Didn't love the Wild Robot. Me neither.
Wild Robot actually was, in recent memory, the biggest flop in my mind. Animation-wise.

Speaker 1 Animation-wise, because everyone said it was this great, great, great, great movie. And it's a good movie, but it doesn't hold a candle to some of the Pixar movies.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm watching these other movies, and then Wild Robot comes up, and I'm not the only one. Mackenzie loses interest, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 She'll get scared and startled in some scenes.

Speaker 1 Some scenes we're watching. I'm like, ooh, so you know what.

Speaker 1 I get like so jacked up. I'm like, you understand what the fuck's going on here.
Oh, Onward.

Speaker 1 I guess that's not, that's more of a guide animation movie because it's about two brothers and like their relationship with their father and stuff. But Onward's a great one.

Speaker 1 That's Chris Pratt and Tom Holland, Spider-Man. Speaking of Chris Pratt, they got, I will check out Onward.
They're doing Terminal List is up soon, huh? Yep.

Speaker 2 The prequel series, I think, comes out soon. And then I think they're shooting season two of when he's Jim Bo Reese for maybe next year.

Speaker 1 My wife is watching this competition thing on Peacock. Destination X, maybe? Have you seen this?

Speaker 1 They're living in a bus in Europe.

Speaker 1 Big bus, extended bus with a bunch of bunks. I think they're also in trains.
Everything's blocked in. Like, they can't see out.
And then they're dropped off in a place.

Speaker 1 And then they have to figure out where the fuck they are. And it's like uh, it's a kind of cool.
Yeah, it's great. Who's the actor that hosts that? The actor that hosts it really loves the show.

Speaker 1 Like when he, when he's hosting and talking, he is like Jeffrey Dean is his name.

Speaker 3 Oh, what's his name from?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Walking Dead. Walking Dead, thank you.
He's doing like voiceovers to movies in this thing as opposed to just hosting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is very good at hosting. He's got me tied in.
Well, now

Speaker 1 he's doing that whole thing.

Speaker 1 I'm like, like all right i'm bought into this good idea they're living on this bus though driving through europe i don't know how it gets around those roads can we get mitt on this roads are small so we've been talking about this this is a big conversation this weekend mitt is built for one of these shows that is currently happening love island it's kind of a revolution of um

Speaker 1 this used to be the thing road rules challenges real world amazing race it used to be amazing race it's coming back in a big way with all these streaming platforms everybody has one at least one that has become good.

Speaker 1 And Foxy watches Love Island religiously. Yeah, it's tough.
I don't love the show, but my wife loves it.

Speaker 1 And they shoot it all at PTZs, and allegedly they turn it around like week of, so then you're interactive with it. So you can vote people off.
I don't like this couple. Boom, we're splitting you up.

Speaker 1 I don't like this person. Boom, you're gone.
I haven't witnessed that. People fire.
Yeah, which is pretty cool. Finally.

Speaker 1 And my takeaway is just the vibe and the aura and how the people act in it, Mitt would be perfect for the show.

Speaker 3 But no, I need Jeffrey Dean Morgan to be like, where are you, Mitt?

Speaker 1 And he'd go, oh, Hobby Dobby? This is the mountains. No, it's a desert.

Speaker 1 They're pretty good. You got to put like a pin on a map where you think you are.

Speaker 1 Like read the, they're in the Alps, the episode that I saw. No spoilers.

Speaker 1 But I think you know why you're watching.

Speaker 1 I wasn't paying attention enough. I thought the show was going to be shit.
Sure. Did you notice they have to wear seatbelts while they're in the bus? I didn't.
No.

Speaker 1 Next time you watch, when they're sitting in the bus area, obviously the bus, they're wearing seatbelts across their laps. So I've seen them laying down a lot.

Speaker 1 A lot of them are laying down in their bunks. The upper parts of the bus are the

Speaker 1 lounge.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 there's a couple that are thinking about. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jumping.

Speaker 1 Think about having one together? Yeah, they are thinking about... They are thinking about having one.
Yeah. Hey, nice.

Speaker 10 I mean, that's what they, I sure they cast it for that to happen.

Speaker 1 For people to have some? Yeah. Yeah.
Think about it. Yeah, for a couple of times.
For people to have one with many different partners.

Speaker 1 Imagine in that bus turning some European turn like this, and you're you're just inside or having one.

Speaker 1 Could happen.

Speaker 2 You know, the producers are grabbing people and say, like, you two need to think about having one.

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 1 Yep. You know why you're here? Because you two need to have one.

Speaker 2 Or at least think about having one.

Speaker 1 You need to go up to the top lounge. Let's get a couple.

Speaker 1 Have one. Yep, have one.
Think about having one. Go down to the bunks.

Speaker 1 Have one. Maybe have one.
And then head into that map room. And why don't you?

Speaker 2 Maybe have one in there as well.

Speaker 1 We should be thinking about it.

Speaker 2 We should be thinking about having one in there in the map room.

Speaker 1 All right, so we're gonna get mid on one of these shows and what are these what are these style of shows called reality shows? That's what I call them. Yeah, reality competition.
There it is. Okay.

Speaker 1 There it is. Would he be good on traders? Yes.
Anything. He'd be good on anything.
I don't think he would last long on traders. You know?

Speaker 1 Traders is great. Traders a great one.
Survivor. You're trying to vote who is.

Speaker 12 I don't think he's lasted long on much, to be fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Love Island, I think, is... I've never seen it, but it sounds like Foxy.
Yeah, marquee for Love Island.

Speaker 1 I can just totally see it now, just the way he would go about his business, maybe with one girl, or maybe even another girl, and then the bands would fall in love with him.

Speaker 1 We got to keep this guy around. He might win, Big Brother.
I love Clarissa, but then

Speaker 1 I saw Alyssa come in. That's literally the show right there.
What was the other one?

Speaker 7 Fuck Boy Island?

Speaker 1 Or is that too? Is that still happening? On the note? I have not watched that one. Oh, it's still happening?

Speaker 1 Is that the show? I thought it was. Hey, Simon on May.
What's his reaction to all this? If we get a seat out. Yeah, put me on Love Island.
I love love. Everybody knows I love love.
Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 I fucking love love, dude. Thumbs up.
He's in. Yeah.
Boom. Yeah, dude, I've been working out, too.
I'm ready. Are they on a beach? I'll fucking take my shirt off.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Mitt's been getting after it. Mitt has a legit four-shoot been getting after it.
He's in very in shape. He is.
He is. Nice.

Speaker 1 Just because? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think he spends a couple hours in there a day. Legitimately.
Some days are trying to protect himself. He's doing two days on Sundays? No, some days, like more than once a week, he does it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he's in there getting after it. He's getting ready for Love Island.
Yeah, he's thinking about having one. He's got to be jacked to be on that show.
He should have one.

Speaker 1 Well, when they were talking to him about coming on, they said, hey, Mate, you need to.

Speaker 2 You need to have one. You're the type of guy who should always be thinking about having one, and you also need to have a couple as well.

Speaker 1 Squid Games? That's not a bad reality show. That's coming out soon.
Yeah, the second half, I think next week, actually. Squid Games Reality? No, the

Speaker 1 finale of... Did I finish the last actual show? I never watched it.
I don't think you guys did because we never got into it. We never actually had one with that show.
It was a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 A lot of people said it was very underwhelming compared to the first season.

Speaker 1 They try to take it in a different way.

Speaker 1 The second season is good. The problem is,

Speaker 1 they made it seven episodes and turned it into two, like part one and part two of season two, basically. That's right.
So now when this next part comes out, then I would recommend watching it.

Speaker 1 But I would definitely not recommend watching it now because it ends on a cliffhanger.

Speaker 1 It's going to fucking piss you off because how do you have a cliffhanger seven episodes in when you should just go to ten and then finish the whole thing? Uh, but squid games is like continuing to

Speaker 1 they're not just done with the show after this. They're doing like an America squid games.
They're doing a squid games one squid games reality competitions? No, no, actually.

Speaker 1 Because they've already done that. Remember, we watched that rock, paper, scissors.
Yeah, actually part of the show instead.

Speaker 1 Like in the squid games show universe. They're like going back in time to the first ever squid games.
They're going to America for squid games.

Speaker 1 But they are, I i believe making another reality show season of the squid games and what did i do i put dub on that right i had them speaking english to me yes i think so yes with the captions i didn't mind it i got into the first one

Speaker 1 never finished avatar two

Speaker 1 don't need to isn't three coming out those whales yeah fire and ice or something somewhere between like five to ten years now all right so we got both got the pacers tonight uh

Speaker 1 we have an ask in for jj spawn for tomorrow nice oh yeah we'll see if that comes through oh yeah not like the best relationship with the PGA, but we'll see. New leadership.
See what happens.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, from where? I believe the NFL.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Mr. Rolop.
Mm-hmm. Congrats.
He was supposed to be the next.

Speaker 1 Everybody you talk to says, good executive, this guy. Good executive, this guy.
Good executive, this guy. I got a chance to chat with him.
I came away. Very impressed.
Good one of these. Got ideas.

Speaker 1 I think you're probably not at that height at the NFL with with how much money they're making without being incredibly impressive so now he's the commissioner yeah of the pga yep congrats to him that's a big deal yeah especially with where the pga is right now what they're trying to get accomplished everything that has to take place i mean that's a lot of stuff good luck you're the right man for the job brian

Speaker 1 would be cool to get jjo but that's not even a pga event right that was uh no that's a usa usga usga event or whatever so hopefully they're able to come through if not watching jj this weekend was electrifying Watching them all get so pissed off.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I learned a lot about Oakmont, man. I'm from, obviously, Plum.
Plum is a majority of the golf course. I think they showed it on the map there.

Speaker 1 But like the thought of joining Oakmont Country Club was never a reality. Like that was like an untouchable place, basically.
We were at the public course next door.

Speaker 1 Behind those trees over there, that's where.

Speaker 1 That's where the good people call it. It goes down.

Speaker 1 You guys go ahead and stay over here or whatever.

Speaker 1 But then I started watching it and learning about it and like i i appreciated the fact that the pittsburgh hills were beating out of these golfers like i started like feeling like a sense of pride and i assume that's how the members feel oh i think that's probably how the members feel out there yeah they play it all the time because it's it's generally known as the hardest course in america so yeah they love that because they are the members there and they get to play there all the time it was awesome everyone was so what did shane lowry say i fucking hate

Speaker 1 this place fuck this place

Speaker 1 yeah twice right yeah it was awesome windham fucking beat the lockers up Yeah, beat the shit out of those lockers. Rory threw three clubs, one back to himself.
Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was just... Oakmont won.
And then Pittsburgh won, obviously, with the rain and everything. That's when you need Joe Denardo.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace. Joe Denardo could have wrangled those skywaters a little bit.
They could have. And say, hey, we got the U.S.
open.

Speaker 1 But when you create the Doppler, obviously you're going to get special privileges. Rest in peace, Joe Denardo.
We certainly missed you.

Speaker 1 But when they pulled that Doppler up on the screen and they were reading the red dots, I was like, this is when.

Speaker 1 This is when we most miss Joe Denardo. I love your joke.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace, Joe. Rest in peace, Joe.
That's your joke. Because Joe would have said, hey, it's going to rain.
Get squeegees quick.

Speaker 1 And these squeegees maybe would have been out like 30 seconds earlier. You never know.

Speaker 1 Especially with the way Burns was sitting in that water a little bit. Cut up tarps, maybe.
And then there was one part of the golf course that it was raining and another part that it was sunny.

Speaker 1 It's like, welcome to Pittsburgh, baby. But Donardo would have been able to say, rest in peace, Joe.

Speaker 1 Joe.

Speaker 1 Joe would have been able to say, if you're on holes five, eight, eight, nine, and thirteen, probably got a little bit of sunshine. Everywhere else need an umbrella.
That's Joe Nardo football.

Speaker 1 That's right. We missed you this weekend, Joe.
Yeah, we did. Yeah.
Every weekend. Love you, too.
Yes, yes, every weekend. But you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Especially on Father's Day. He was like a father to all of us.

Speaker 1 And he fathered the Doppler. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And weather.

Speaker 10 Why isn't it called the Donardo, though?

Speaker 1 Because he's selfless. Humble.

Speaker 10 It's true. You're right.

Speaker 1 And you're right. He's a Yenser.

Speaker 1 They wanted to.

Speaker 10 They wanted to name it the Donardo, and he said he actually turned him away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 His son named it. Bill Doppler.

Speaker 1 No, Doppler Donardo is his boy.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. Yep.
Named after his boy.

Speaker 10 There's got to be some people out there. Their first name is Doppler, and their parents were just real big fans.

Speaker 1 Well, when Joe Nardo was working that thing, it was hard not to be. Yeah.
Legit. Rest in peace, Joe.
Sex symbol of the weatherman. The weather.
The weather.

Speaker 1 Not, no.

Speaker 1 That's why I so believe that. He was the depiction of a meteorologist slash weatherman.
Man, sex.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you liked weather, yeah, for sure. De Noro would be able to deliver however you want it.
Exactly. But it was beautiful that Oakman showed up.
So I looked into it.

Speaker 1 560 members, I think, we showed up.

Speaker 1 560 members.

Speaker 1 There's an initiation fee, a monthly fee, and then a food stipend each year you got to pay.

Speaker 1 And it's like,

Speaker 1 is it like the Augusta of North?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it's one of the most bunch famous courses in the world up there, Beth Page.

Speaker 1 I know next to nothing about it just because it was like seemingly so untouchable. Tone worked there, got fired.
Yep.

Speaker 1 So that's kind of how I think we assume the relationship would always be with people from where we're from will go there and get kicked out of there, and then everything else will be good.

Speaker 1 But I had a sense of pride in that place.

Speaker 3 Me too. And I only got in there because my uncle's caddy there for like 30 years, so I ruined that whole thing.
But no, it was awesome to watch.

Speaker 1 We'll talk about the buckets and the head start. Yep.
Yep.

Speaker 1 We talk about that head start that some people had.

Speaker 1 Joan had one. That doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 No, I said this is too, this, Caddy, this is, you know, this is too easy. I went and did landscaping instead.

Speaker 1 No, it was awesome. Good play, Cody.

Speaker 3 The Michael Keaton thing that they ran was awesome. And then like the overheads, they showed like the turnpike running through there,

Speaker 3 which for those that don't know what

Speaker 1 keep going

Speaker 3 is the highway that runs basically through Pennsylvania all the way over to Philly 76.

Speaker 3 It was awesome to see.

Speaker 1 You know what else was amazing? They put a spotlight on fucking Pudge.

Speaker 1 Listen.

Speaker 3 They talked about Pudgy Wudgie.

Speaker 1 Nobody, not Pudgy Wudgie, who is the cat that passed away

Speaker 1 that was a plum mascot.

Speaker 1 Great cat. He's a great cat.
It lived right across the street from Oakmont Country Club.

Speaker 1 Pudgy Wudgie's owner actually just rented out parking spots on his land and made enough money for the entire year to take Pudgy Wudgie, his cat, to every sporting event the Plum Mustangs had.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about, Pudgey Wudgie?

Speaker 1 I'm talking about Pudge, dude. Did you see this? Who's snorting? Pudgy Wudgie is a famous cat from where we're from.
Pudgy Wudgie was. Like a real cat?

Speaker 10 Like a real cat? Yes.

Speaker 1 And Pudgy Wudgie's owner was certainly...

Speaker 1 He had a lot of pizzazz. Okay.
Had a lot of pizzazz. Pudgy Wudgie was a big time fan of Plum mustangs athletics he was always there i believe rest in peace to pudge wudgie and

Speaker 1 pizazz having owner yeah i think so

Speaker 1 was the cat a fan or was the owner of the cat a fan i think if you ask pudge pudgy wudgie about me i think they were too meowed i think it was a fan a lot of my you know because i was playing a lot of sports so i saw a lot of pudgy wudgie But Pudgy Wudgie was before me and Pudgy Wudgie was after me.

Speaker 1 Sure. Pudgy Wudgie will be forever.
Just like fucking Pudge, who had the touchdown, the game-winning touchdown in the first ever professional football game, which was in downtown Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Love that NBC spotlighted that. I certainly knew this was real.
Yeah. I certainly knew this.
Four or nothing? Yeah, it was an absolute classic. Four or nothing.

Speaker 1 On November 12th, 1892, at Recreation Park, a few blocks northwest of here, which is right outside of Ackersher Stadium, formerly known as Heinz Field, down there at the shore, the Allegheny Athletic Association, Allegheny, the county in which Pittsburgh resides, defeated the Pittsburgh Athletic Club, PAC, still around, 4-0.

Speaker 1 The winning touchdown was scored by William Pudge

Speaker 1 Heffelfinger.

Speaker 1 And listen, when Pudge got the rock,

Speaker 1 it was fucking problematic for everybody. He received 500 bucks for playing.

Speaker 1 He was the first football player known to have been paid outright, and pro football traces its origin from this game right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Dog.
The more you know. The more you know.

Speaker 1 Here's Pudgy Wudgie, the cat that was very supportive of Plum Mustangs. These are all the newspaper articles.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's the owner with Pizazz. And there's Pudgy Wudgie down there at the Heinz History Center.

Speaker 10 What the hell is this?

Speaker 1 Pudgy Wudgie, who was a cat. Pudgy Wudgie was all that.
Pudgy Wudgie loved Plum.

Speaker 1 You're asking questions. What do you say, Kennywood? You sound like a buck.
Kennywood, dude. Kennywood.
That's Pudgy Wudgie going around.

Speaker 3 The homepage says, the online home of Allegheny Valley's most famous cat from 1986-2001 race.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace 2001

Speaker 1 and there's the owner right there that's frank so he just showed up to high school games with a cat he uh he held the sticks he held our uh he held the chains with the catgy wudgy what do you mean what do you mean he held your sticks no the first

Speaker 1 time

Speaker 3 and he always just had the cat in his arms yeah pudgy wudgy went everywhere out of here all right i think he was the first person ever to dress up a cat and pat was not lying he literally his house was uh a very very very small house that was right across the street from Oakmont, but he had a huge field and just charged parking every time the open came and made a ton of money.

Speaker 1 Was able to dress up his cat for years. Every time the U.S.
Open would come back, he'd be like, well, time to make money again.

Speaker 1 4,000 bucks a spot. It's right across the street.

Speaker 1 Like there's a bridge you walk over right to his property. He's like, this guy hit a fucking home run.

Speaker 1 And he liked to give back, especially to Pudgy Wudgie. Universe, ball.
What a weird place we came from. plum yeah

Speaker 1 you're just now starting to think about it

Speaker 1 start really taking it all yeah yeah it's pretty insane

Speaker 1 it's the home of the oakmon country club you didn't know that yeah i did not know that it was all plum yeah until i saw that map i'm like

Speaker 3 yeah i plum has a u.s open i didn't know i know that because coach my father got a bunch of tickets because he runs the plum water uh authority anthony de julio and they he gets he gets free tickets every open because he's got to deal with getting getting the water in the ways out of Of course, he does.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Coach, for that. Legend.

Speaker 1 Papa DiGiolio working at the Water Authority. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is this for the Pacers?

Speaker 1 Pudgy Watchie's dead, so this won't keep it alive. Okay.
Well, maybe it could be for like sad owner, not 24 years.

Speaker 1 What's so funny? So he was coming back.

Speaker 10 I thought for sure this was going to bring Pudgy Watchie back to life after 24 years dead.

Speaker 1 You don't know Pudgy Wudgie.

Speaker 10 Did they stuff him? Did they stuff him and put him in your high school somewhere?

Speaker 1 That guy did more than stuff him.

Speaker 1 Gee, Sloane.

Speaker 1 He probably gave him a good time. Tombstone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. You're right.
It was probably a memorial. Yeah, he wasn't just going to stuff this game.
Yeah, I think it sounded a little different. All right.
This is for the Pacers tonight.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Hey, Jay, how much? What's final score in this game tonight?

Speaker 10 Oh, I said 118, 114 last time.

Speaker 1 I'm going a little bit lower.

Speaker 10 We're going 111, 107. Pacers.
We'll see.

Speaker 10 oh no

Speaker 1 maybe you Connor what's final score tonight

Speaker 1 probably I'm gonna go 113 107 to who wins

Speaker 1 the thunder oh no we'll see

Speaker 1 almost almost essentially miss made that

Speaker 1 almost yeah that was a lot closer than I thought it was gonna be me too Ty final score 109 104 pacers We'll see.

Speaker 1 Oh

Speaker 3 Tom. 117 to 88.

Speaker 1 Who's that? Okay C.

Speaker 1 Geese. 88.
Bull C. Jeez.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 10 didn't even touch the rim.

Speaker 1 What the hell, Tony? Listen, I got an adopted Heartland heart, okay? I hope you're happy. A who's your heart?

Speaker 3 They're going to lose this game, and then they're gonna win six and seven.

Speaker 1 Them boys don't lose back-to-backs, Tony.

Speaker 1 Neither do the Pacers. That's what I mean.
No, no, them boys being the Pacers.

Speaker 3 10 straight. They've won

Speaker 1 the lost or lost. Yeah, but then he said to win six and seven, as if the Oklahoma City Thunder would lose two straight.
They don't fucking lose two straight either. No, something's got to give.
Shit!

Speaker 1 Seems like

Speaker 1 it's giving tonight. I just hope these boys are focused.

Speaker 1 Universe already spoke to us.

Speaker 1 Good season, then.

Speaker 1 This isn't a series under tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You lose 117 to 88, though, maybe.
Yeah, that's about all she wrote.

Speaker 1 Game seven to no KC. Okay.
I don't like what the universe did there. No.

Speaker 1 Kind of a bum.

Speaker 1 Carlisle, I'll coach his Dago now. It's like all of a sudden we got a whole new thing.
That's not his name.

Speaker 1 Coach Daggs.

Speaker 1 Well, what happened at the World Series, College World Series?

Speaker 2 So we're still just first weekend. Arizona has been eliminated.

Speaker 2 So they're the only team that got eliminated this weekend. Coastal Carolina is 2-0, so they put themselves in a good position.

Speaker 1 But they haven't lost 25 games yet.

Speaker 2 They have won 25 consecutive games, yeah. And they're very good.
Very good.

Speaker 1 Great chain on this guy.

Speaker 2 Yep, absolutely. And then it started at 2 o'clock, but the top remaining seed in the tournament, Arkansas, plays the kind of Cinderella's Murray State.
That is an elimination game as well.

Speaker 2 And then if you want like kind of the marquee matchup, UCLA-LSU is tonight at 7.

Speaker 1 Arkansas is up one zip over Murray State. If they were to win, Murray State would be eliminated.
Yep. And then UCLA-LSU double elimination round.
We shall see when they get started.

Speaker 3 LSU, Arkansas started the tournament as your favorite. LSU is now your favorite at plus 125.
Coastal Carolina, who started this thing at at plus 700 is now plus 185. They have moved up to.

Speaker 1 College World Series is a good time. Turn it on.
Tink. Yep.
You know,

Speaker 1 here poor little tink tink.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Together.
And then the Rocco stuff happening. I guess they had to shut down.
Yeah, they did. Early night.

Speaker 1 People are getting a little too rowdy. Yep.
Yep.

Speaker 2 That's going to happen when you're encouraging people to buy 60,000 plus jello shots. Some people are going to take it a little bit too far.

Speaker 1 Especially if you're putting stuff in said jello shots. Correct.

Speaker 1 There's a chance that if you're spurring competition at a competitive event and then there's some booze getting added into, every once in a while, there's probably going to be some words.

Speaker 1 And to that, we'd like to say,

Speaker 1 as far as sorts of. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Let's enjoy College World Series in Omaha. This Rocco's gimmick is brilliant.
Yes. You know, we talked about Pudgy Wudgie and Frank selling those parking spots outside of Oakmont Country Club.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace to both of them. Frank.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a great move.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Frank's dead.

Speaker 3 Frank Ferco, rest in peace.

Speaker 10 Wait, he died right after Pudgy Wudgie couldn't handle it. He just died as well.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Frank. Broken heart.
Pudge Wudgie's death was the final stroke.

Speaker 10 His wife's probably still alive, though.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I don't know if he's married, Frank.
I've never seen.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. What kind? He's married to Pudgy.
Pudgy Wudgie currently has a mural.

Speaker 1 Obviously, you can see it near the turnpike there. Yeah, I'm sure that's still there.

Speaker 1 Doesn't look superimposed at all. That looks very real.
And Frank Ferco had the mural painted to remember his beloved cat, who is a master of tricks.

Speaker 1 KK's Dave Crawley is reporting from Plumboro, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 Tricks that would make your head turn.

Speaker 1 Pudgy Wudgie was a cat. Pudgy Wudgie was all that.

Speaker 3 He loved chip ham.

Speaker 1 Do tricks for chipped ham.

Speaker 1 Do more than tricks. Jeez.

Speaker 10 What about peanut butter?

Speaker 1 Peanut butter, yeah. That's cat, not a dog.
I don't know what you guys are implying, but nonetheless,

Speaker 1 the jell-o thing. Rocco's Jell-O shots, great gimmick.
Just great gimmick. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I respect it, and we can't wait to try one someday. Yeah.
West Virginia was close. They were.
Is Iowa ever getting in this?

Speaker 2 They've actually won a college World Series before.

Speaker 2 I mean, the Big Ten just anymore isn't really. They had a pretty good shot this year, but no, they did not make it.

Speaker 1 West Virginia has like a real chance for this thing. Yeah, for sure.
How about Duquesne? You guys got any shots getting in the World Series?

Speaker 3 Duke's baseball, not the best sport that we have.

Speaker 1 How about Michigan State? You guys good at baseball? No, I don't think they've ever been great. Fairfield, actually nasty.
Fairfield Stags? Yeah, they were. D1? Yeah, D1.

Speaker 1 They were top 25 at one point this year. I think they almost won their conference, but they didn't make it to Breed.
I'm just trying to figure out how we get there. Ohio State good, AJ?

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah, they're good.

Speaker 1 He doesn't know? Nope. Feels like I don't know.
You have no idea.

Speaker 10 Yeah, probably don't, but they're good. Good players over there.

Speaker 1 Probably dope.

Speaker 10 I don't know how they're doing this year. Nick Swisher played there when I was there.
Yeah, Stagger.

Speaker 1 He played in the five times. Hell of a player.
Stags?

Speaker 10 Nick Swisher field now.

Speaker 1 All right, Stags in West Virginia have a shot to get us to Omaha.

Speaker 1 Got a lot of people out there in Omaha. Good rules out there in Nebraska.

Speaker 1 McGee's always out there. McGee's always out there.
During the NBA finals, it's tough here.

Speaker 3 It's been a little tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, hopefully they, you know, get it done this year. Ryan McGee tweeting from the World Series: last time Coastal Carolina lost the game was April 22nd.

Speaker 1 That was seven weeks, five days, your entire papers show you go.

Speaker 1 What the fuck's papacy mean? I asked. Looked it up.

Speaker 1 Changed into the Pope. Yep.

Speaker 1 It's great usage of the word. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Bifurcate? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Bifurcate. Bifurcate, yeah.
B-I-F-U-R-C-A-T-E to split into two. Correct.
Sever.

Speaker 1 That's why a new nickname in the office for Billy Tobes.

Speaker 1 All right. Billy bifurcate.
No. I like it.
He's taking photos now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, taking photos of bodies. No, he's jacked up right now, breaking chains.
He's cracked up. Jacked up.

Speaker 1 He's working out like three times a day but yeah because a couple got away yeah he's got to bifurcate a couple more people bill i don't think that's fair i don't think that's fair at all bill that's never happened it's good that is not fair all right let's get out of here hey jay thank you for today boys in the back great work what a great overreaction monday we'll be back tomorrow i'm off this evening on monday night raw green bay packers no sorry green bay wisconsin home of the green bay packers

Speaker 1 NBA Finals game. I've also been on the road since like Dublin.
Yep.

Speaker 1 I'm doing a sleep. This is the last week of sports.
I'm doing a sleep. This is the last week of sports.

Speaker 3 That's crazy to think about.

Speaker 10 Still got a lot of soccer tournaments.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're in the middle of one.

Speaker 1 The Concafapod boys went down to a game in Miami. Oh my God.
Most electrifying tournament in history. We're going to have a World Cup of club teams for $100 million.

Speaker 1 The boys are going to want to play. It's a lot of money.
And it's all clubs from all different leagues. MLS players are going to take on Premier League players.

Speaker 1 And then La Liga players are going to take on Bundesliga players. And the whole world is going to battle for $100 million.
And it's happening in the United States of America.

Speaker 1 There was a game in Cincinnati. Team won 10-0.

Speaker 1 Team won 10-0. They were playing against a TST team that was literally putting players together.
They had full-time jobs. Somehow they get in this $100 million TST tournament.

Speaker 1 Down in Miami, Lou Messi was playing. Okay, Lou.
We knew it was going to be electrifying because Lou was taking the pitch. We knew it was going to be awesome because $100 million are the line.

Speaker 1 Had to send the Concafer Concafa boys down there. Jeff Cameron, U.S.
men's national team legend, Premier League player. Breck Shea, U.S.
men's team player, legend. MLS, legend.
High school, legend.

Speaker 1 Soccer, legend. Mbova Campino.
Guys made all the reservations, went down there. How was it? Was it awesome to watch the World Cup Super Duper Club Championship for $100 million in Miami?

Speaker 12 It was an incredible atmosphere down there in Miami. The performance before the game, the show, just the atmosphere.
61,000 people were there.

Speaker 12 There was 80,000 people at the Rose Bowl for Athletico Madrid and PSG.

Speaker 12 0-0 match. What? But the score doesn't tell the story.

Speaker 1 The Inter-Miami goalie stood on his head.

Speaker 12 If you watch the game, the Inter-Miami Miami goalie saved the penalty. They gave away about 10 breakaways.
Messi hit the crossbar late in the game. It was a very good match.

Speaker 1 Lou, we need you to score. If you don't score, nobody else is scoring.
That's why they give you a billion bucks. It's soccer, Lou.
What happened in the 10-0 game?

Speaker 1 How come that isn't happening more often? We like that. Touchdown, field goal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Stifling defense.

Speaker 12 Yeah, Auckland City, their players had to take vacations from their real jobs to play Bayern Munich. So, yeah, they lost 10-0.
Could have been worse.

Speaker 1 I believe Bill was bifurcating his time this weekend between Indianapolis and Cincinnati to watch that particular game. He was in the building.
What happened in the other games?

Speaker 1 Were they electrifying?

Speaker 12 The Seattle Sounders game was probably the best game of the weekend. They lost 2-1 to one of the Brazilian teams.

Speaker 1 Oh, we lose.

Speaker 12 But we got, in about 15 minutes here, Chelsea against LAFC.

Speaker 1 Whoa, where at? In L.A.?

Speaker 12 I believe it is. It's Olivier Giroux.

Speaker 12 Used to play for Chelsea, actually. He's on LAFC, so we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 How's Chelsea these days? Is Chelsea still Chelsea, or is Chelsea down with the Burnley League?

Speaker 12 They're still in the Premier League. They spend about a billion dollars every offseason and come like sixth or eighth in the league.
It's a good plan.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's that, Tone?

Speaker 3 Chelsea and LAFC is down in the Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, George.

Speaker 1 George Oh, they got grass over the pitch, I wonder down there. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, it shouldn't piss me off as much as it does.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 They should not be allowed to play at the Rose Bowl. We kind of had this conversation before the show.

Speaker 1 Okay, that fucking grinds my gears. PSG, I get it.
And yes, they won the Champions League against a bunch of drunks from Italy, I believe is what the terminology was with Inter.

Speaker 1 Fuck off, man. Okay.
The Rose Bowl is the granddaddy of them all. That is legitimately made for only football.
And I get the whole grass thing. They had 80,000 there.

Speaker 1 I don't give a fuck if 200,000 people are going there. They should not be able to play anything but the Rose Bowl at the Rose Bowl.
I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 You sell the playser all season. But that was just because they're building the stadium, correct? No.
No. Aren't they? Okay.
They've always. Okay, fine.
But they're playing football.

Speaker 1 But American football. Cleven James.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Hold on.
No, I did see a lot of reaction of like, they're putting soccer in the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 1 And then you look at the scenes, it was like, God damn, they filled that place up. And obviously, it looked beautiful.
And you think about the grass that's on the Rose Bowl, it's like,

Speaker 1 don't mess that.

Speaker 1 That is beautiful grass over there. I assume the soccer players got on there.
They're like, Jesus, this is the nicest grass we're doing. They better have said that.
I think they did.

Speaker 1 I think they did a lot of thank yous.

Speaker 12 One guy was a little upset. He said it was too hot.

Speaker 1 See, bitching and moaning already. About the Rose Bowl? Exactly.

Speaker 1 It wasn't interesting. About the rose ball?

Speaker 12 The guy on Athletico Madrid said they shouldn't have been playing in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 Well, they should arrest him on the spot. Yeah, I'm sick and tired of hearing your mouth, guy.

Speaker 1 It's ridiculous. He just don't know no better.
Yeah, no, he don't. And he should say that.

Speaker 1 Fucking you hired me.

Speaker 1 Let's get out of here. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change.
Shout out to soccer. Thank you for the update, Gumpy.
Also, the Concafa pod is a good one.

Speaker 1 It's Gumpy, Jeff, and Breck. If you want to know anything about soccer, it's a good place to talk to you.
And also, they were a part of

Speaker 1 some of the Christian Pulissic stuff.

Speaker 1 A little bit of journalism happening from the boys. You know, Christian Pulisic might have been unfairly judged by us.
Certainly.

Speaker 1 But someone's got to do it. Yeah, don't kill him.
Someone's got to judge him. Don't take, take, guess what? Take the Captain America nickname away then.
Well, he wanted to, but he couldn't.

Speaker 1 There was a couple things that just didn't line up. He wanted to, though.
Okay, well, then take Poncho back and shoot him in the head. I don't know.
They're thinking about it. No, I can't have that.

Speaker 1 Poncho. Poncho wants five nuts.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Bago, Luna. Luna.
It shouldn't be this hard to root for a fucking team that dons the stars and stripes, but it is, okay? And that's a problem. They're trying to figure it out right now.

Speaker 1 That's the start and end of this argument.

Speaker 1 Listen, whenever you fire a coach in a regime a year and a half before the World Cup starts, there's going to be a lot of quick things that we have to go through. He's trying to find his guys.

Speaker 1 He actually, I think, had a quote that was like, there's a lot of talent that isn't here, but they have to learn how to fight before they become a full team. Bonch is trying to find his culture here.

Speaker 1 All right. Am I not accurate in saying that?

Speaker 12 Yeah, that Malik Tillman kid who scored both. He scored two goals.
He looked very good last time.

Speaker 1 I actually like what he's doing. He's clean.

Speaker 1 Let's get my lads in here.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some shit. There's going to be some trying times.
I saw, I forget who it was, maybe Seton O'Connor. We've had trying times, man.
I know, but exactly.

Speaker 1 He's trying to get us out of the trying times, man. By going back into the trying times? No, he has to eliminate the trying times.

Speaker 1 He has to see who is the cause of the trying times and get new people that'll get us out of the trying times. That's what he's trying to do.

Speaker 1 We have guys that are capable of getting us out of the trying times. Were they a part of the trying times? I don't know.
I think they were a part of the trying times.

Speaker 1 We've been done with the trying times is polythic.

Speaker 1 No, we've been in the trying times. Remember, that's why we're currently in the middle of the situation we're in right now.
Those trying times were supposed to be good times.

Speaker 1 I thought that was all because the gaffer was shy. Yeah, but they weren't good times.
They were trying times.

Speaker 1 how do you know you're when were the good times the good times are all the times if you really look at it there's always a silver lining but for the u.s men's national team there hasn't been a lot of good times for some time no burhalter tried to leave and then circled back and came back to be the coach like there's a lot of i thought burhalter left and then they were like no one wants this job we have to give it back to him you know how like a new gm comes into a building and says like this is all shite yes

Speaker 1 I got to figure this out. Imagine having to do that in like a six-month period.
Is what Poncha's doing? That's what Poncha's doing right now. Okay, great.

Speaker 1 It might not work. So we're fucked is what I think.

Speaker 10 Isn't the team kind of set already?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 Not at all. That's what he's doing.
Okay, good. He's casting wide net right now.
He's like, I need to find dogs more than I need to find anything else. Packers roster set?

Speaker 10 Go try to get a USA passport for some of these guys overseas.

Speaker 1 We did that already. We did that with a bunch of German kids that were born on military bases.
That didn't work out for us either.

Speaker 1 Then we got a bunch of kids that grew up in the camps and academies in Europe at the good clubs. That didn't work either.
So Paunch, I think, is trying to find dogs.

Speaker 1 I I think that is what he's trying to find. Well, I heard when Ponch leaves the team, he's coaching the year after they do really good.

Speaker 1 So is that a compliment to the coach or an indictment on a coach? I don't know. And who built the college? I just know they're not winning with Ponch.

Speaker 12 They're winning. So Six Spurs, the Champions League final, then they went down the shooter for quite a while.

Speaker 1 You ever heard of that? Down the shooter. Is this the Champions League where if your team's good, you can buy players?

Speaker 1 Or is this the national league where fucking you only get the guys inside your borders? Well, that's what I just said, though, about the military.

Speaker 1 We were exercising some clauses for sure to get guys on our team. Didn't work.
But they were dogs.

Speaker 1 Were they? Jermaine Johnson was. Was that the last time we went past the fucking first round of the knockout stage? We've been round assisting.
I just think Paunch is trying to find his team.

Speaker 1 We just need to let him find his team because I like the way he's talking. We need more fight.
He's saying we need more dogs. And also, We don't need the American team flopping.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The thing that America's people hate the most about soccer is the flopping. That is literally, it crept into basketball and flopper, flopper.
Soccer is where the whole thing.

Speaker 1 I think the reason why a lot of football people hate soccer is because, well, they look like they got killed.

Speaker 1 AJ's reaction to a highlight that got sent into the group was, oh, I hope number nine was able to stand up after losing his leg the way he did when he got a little bit of a, a little bit.

Speaker 1 So like the USA team can't be like, can't have to be.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no bitching and whining.

Speaker 1 You have to match. Yeah.

Speaker 12 The guy who got taken out Suarez actually can barely stand at this point in his career either his knees are not great that's what we like yeah dogs poncha's looking for dogs

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 but you don't think he's gonna find them nope it's a USA nope I don't think there's a chance unless we're pulling five nothing up over trend though unless we're pulling Jeremiah Smith off the practice field I don't think I'm just one cut guys to get us there I think if you do get these young guys playing well in this gold cup tournament and then you add the other players what is this the under 20 team that they're playing here do we know know it's just a lot of mls players and some young guns yeah because we have national teams obviously at every age bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb there's national teams then there's pools and then this whole thing so i think he is but jeff also said he never played in the gold cups when he was playing in england either i'm selling all my u.s soccer stuff don't i'm just telling you no hold

Speaker 1 hold we just won five zip you should have sold a week ago if yeah no if we play trinidad and tobago every single game we're gonna be good man

Speaker 1 i don't I don't think that's how it works. Yeah, we got what? Who's Saudi Arabia next? Yeah, who we got next?

Speaker 1 All eyes on Gumpy.

Speaker 1 Saudis are there. Gotta be Saudi.
Saudi, Bruce said. Yeah, we got Saudi Arabia next.
Ronaldo?

Speaker 12 That'll be a tough man.

Speaker 1 Ronaldo is Portugal. He just won a title of Super Duper International.

Speaker 10 Doesn't he play in Saudi, though? He plays in Saudi or for Saudi.

Speaker 1 He's an employee of the Saudi Soccer League, where he makes $750 million a year or whatever. Correct.
But he represents Portugal. They just hosted a trophy.
They beat Spain.

Speaker 12 Nations League.

Speaker 1 Super duper. What's the Saudi doing in the gold cup?

Speaker 12 I can't figure that out either. It's because they're hosting the World Cup years from now.

Speaker 12 I don't get that one.

Speaker 1 We understand. Yeah.

Speaker 12 It was fucking sport. I missed that one.

Speaker 1 No, you knew.

Speaker 12 Minus 145, USA against Saudi.

Speaker 1 How did we find the guys? That's the thing. I'm a TST guy.
TST is great soccer. The soccer sucks.
The U.S.

Speaker 3 actually invited the Saudis as an outreach program for CONCAIFA. Oh, great.

Speaker 1 What do you oh, great?

Speaker 1 This is just another team that we should beat and might lose to.

Speaker 1 I like that you put the hockey helmet on top of Larry O as if it's going into hibernation for an offseason because the Boston Celtics aren't there anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I put the hockey helmet on it because I don't want you thinking about it like some of the players on the Indiana Pacers seem to be.

Speaker 1 Oh, you think the Indiana Pacers are distracted by Larry O? Yeah, I think they need to just think about the next dribble, the next free throw, perhaps. We need to get out of here.

Speaker 1 We've been here way too long. Me and friend, tell a friend something nice.
It might change your life. We're back tomorrow.
You all are the greatest. Hope you had a great weekend.
Have a great evening.

Speaker 1 Go, Pacers.

Speaker 1 Me and AJ, both on the Pacers money line. The universe says

Speaker 1 Oklahoma City with the universe shot.

Speaker 1 We hope that that's wrong. I was pure, though.
Pure. Very much so.
I was like the purest I've shot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's that all about? We'll figure it out tomorrow. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice might change your life.
We're in this thing together. Team on me, team on three.
One, two, three. Team.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.