PMS 2.0 1350 - NBA and NHL Playoffs Game 5 Previews, Jamal Crawford, Pat Maroon, NLL Superstar Chase Fraser, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this game fives Thursday, May 29, 2025. This program starts now

Speaker 1 are happening in a big way. Last night, two teams punched their tickets to their leagues respective championships.
Let's say congratulations to the Stanley Cup champion, Florida Panther.

Speaker 1 They punched their ticket for the third straight Stanley Cup finals. They could potentially go back to back.

Speaker 1 I do believe there are only five teams, I think, that have gone back to back or eight teams that have gone back to back in the history of the NHL.

Speaker 1 It would obviously be a dynastic conversation with this Florida Panthers team who not only have most of their returning starters from last year, but also added the absolute beast, Brad Marchand from the Boston Bruins in the middle of the season that has only upped their toughness.

Speaker 1 Now, what they were doing to the Carolina Hurricanes in front of the 20,000 Kaniacs is bully them and beat them up.

Speaker 1 And there was a time here late in the series, the last two games, where it looked like maybe the Hurricanes remembered who they were.

Speaker 1 The Carolina Hurricanes were going to try to thump this Florida Panthers team back. They were up 2-0 last night after a massive sweeping 3-0 win in the game prior to this.

Speaker 1 The Kanes had a 2-0 lead, and then all of a sudden, the Florida Panthers woke up with some nasty mids, some nasty shots, and they came back in 30 seconds, two goals, getting 2-2, and then they would score a few more and end up winning this thing and punching their ticket to their third straight Stanley Cup final.

Speaker 1 This Florida Panthers team is ridiculous. There's a guy that's in Barkoff right here.
Bang, bow, boom. Top Ched.
That goal right there, absolutely filthy. I believe that was.

Speaker 1 I believe that goal was scored by

Speaker 2 Carter Verhege.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whatever. Barkoff.
Filthy mitts.

Speaker 1 And then that goes top Ched. They're just toying with the Kaniacs in the Hurricanes.
They are

Speaker 1 filthy. Just skill, power, physicality.

Speaker 1 I believe we'll talk to Patty Maroon, who won three straight Stanley Cups at one point during his career in the second hour to chit-chat about how dominant and how awesome this Florida Panthers team has been in their quest to win their second Stanley Cup in a row.

Speaker 1 Congrats to them. Congrats to the Carolina Hurricanes.

Speaker 1 Another

Speaker 1 final, conference final, and they won a game.

Speaker 1 Instead of getting swept in the finals like they have done in the past and certainly last year, they won a game, look like they're in it, were fighting back, and then the Florida Panthers just kind of put the foot on the gas.

Speaker 1 Congrats to them. They're going to the Stanley Cup finals.
Who will they play? Well, tonight we find out if the Oilers can punch their ticket by beating the Dallas Stars.

Speaker 1 Now, it's 3-1 in this Dallas Stars team, especially with Otter and Annette and Rantanen and a Finnish group of men are certainly capable of coming back from being down 3-1.

Speaker 1 But this guy right here, Mick Jesus,

Speaker 1 feels like this is potentially the year. This is potentially the time where a Canadian franchise wins the Stanley Cup for the first time in 400 years.

Speaker 1 It's not the accurate number, but it has been a long time since a Canadian franchise has hoisted Lordo. Will Mick Jesus be the one to do it? Will McJesus and Dry Sudden be able to punch the ticket?

Speaker 1 Or will they goalie continue to stand on his head and keep the Dallas stars in a place where maybe their fans will never be able to experience true happiness. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 We're sorry for all the Otter fans out there that this thing might be over tonight. Let's go to one half of the hammer.
Don, Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino.

Speaker 1 Gumpy, this could be it for your Dallas stars here tonight, buddy.

Speaker 3 Not tonight. We win at home.
After that, going to be tough to win game six on the road, but Texas hockey gets it done tonight. That's a guarantee, brother.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's from Gumpy's heart, I do believe, not necessarily his gambling mind. He wants to put that Otter mask on one more time.

Speaker 1 he doesn't want the season to be over he doesn't want this miraculous run to be done but it could be tonight if mcjesus decides to just float

Speaker 1 see you cook he's unbelievable yeah he's playing at a different speed than everybody else i have no idea how he does it he makes it look so damn easy could this be the year for him or do the dallas stars make a miraculous comeback well the florida panthers have already punched their ticket now get a lot of rest potentially remember every game the dallas stars continue this with the edmonton oilers that's rest for the florida panthers team which is a big deal at this stage of the NHL season, especially with how grueling and tasking it all is.

Speaker 1 We shall find out tonight if the Oilers join or if the Dallas extend. And then the Oklahoma City Thunder just thumped.

Speaker 1 I mean, absolutely thumped. Come on.
The Minnesota Timberwolves last night in punching their ticket in to the NBA Finals. Who will they play in the Eastern Conference?

Speaker 1 We find out tonight, potentially, or maybe the New York Knicks extend. But this team right here has been a runaway train for the entire season.

Speaker 1 During the entirety of the season, everybody was talking about how we don't talk about the Oklahoma City Thunder enough. That was kind of the conversation about the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 1 They're going to have the MVP probably. Well, that came to fruition.

Speaker 1 SGA is the league's MVP. Congrats to him.
They said they got the best fan base and the best atmosphere in the NBA. You should talk about that.
And their team doesn't care who does well.

Speaker 1 Their team shows up and they make big-time plays, including, oops, ah, give it to me. Hardenstein, Ched Holmgren, both over eight feet tall.
Carus is an absolute absolute dog.

Speaker 1 SGA is their MVP, and they'll pass that thing around. They're not scared to distribute.
Jalen Williams would go ahead and go crazy. And our coach is a super genius.

Speaker 1 We'll be talking to Jamal Crawford here in about 10 minutes or so, a man who played 20-plus years in the NBA. He's been putting over their coach more so than anything.
He's got everybody bought in.

Speaker 1 He's saying this city, this team, since jump, has been the best team in the league. Now everybody's getting a chance to see it.

Speaker 1 I think that's true because if you look in the Western Conference, there were so many other storylines that distracted us potentially from the greatness that is this Oklahoma City team.

Speaker 1 But if you don't win a championship, nobody's ever going to take you serious on a day-to-day basis. That's why the SGA is the new face of the league.

Speaker 1 A superstar, all anybody says is, God win championship, God be in the finals. People talk about Tyrese Halliburton.
Is he a superstar? Never seen him in the finals. Well, he's fucking 25 years old.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was in the Eastern Conference finals last year trying to get back there. But that is the real question.
Can you win? Can you win a title?

Speaker 1 Or are you going to be the person that is great but never has a ring? Happens in all sports. You get judged on the amount of championships that you have.

Speaker 1 There's only so many opportunities to win a championship.

Speaker 1 Look at how many teams were vying for this particular title this year, just in a Western Conference, let alone the Eastern Conference in the entire NBA.

Speaker 1 It is very hard to win a championship, which is that is why you are judged so harshly. If you haven't won one, SGA and boys have a chance now.
They are certainly in the finals. Will they take on?

Speaker 1 The New York Knicks are at home tonight, game five, down 3-1.

Speaker 1 In Madison Square Garden. There'll be a lot of people packed in that arena.
I will not be one of them. Ah, come on.

Speaker 1 And Stiller extended an invite as well, publicly. I saw him say that.
I think there were some other people. I'm not paying $70,000 for a ticket.
Fair. I can move.
I think that's smart.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I can't do it.
I just can't. I can't do it.

Speaker 1 There is, obviously, I will be watching the game. I will be firing up the box game,

Speaker 1 but I will not be a Master Square Guard because I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 Prior engaged.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there is a scheduling conflict, but also, see also. Could have made it worse.
There was a,

Speaker 1 there was a, but those seats obviously have been taken for a long time. And I believe there's a chance that,

Speaker 1 I think there's a chance that there's some say on who gets a sit where. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I can see that. I think so, yeah.
And that's awesome.

Speaker 4 But you've given him that amount of money basically to one of his other facilities.

Speaker 1 So I feel like he should have been like, oh, you're talking about the sphere.

Speaker 1 You're talking about the sphere, which is also sick, by the way. I respect every decision that was made there because I believe there was some calls about, hey, can we do some? No.

Speaker 1 yeah, no.

Speaker 5 Destiny may have seen your promo, you know, and hadn't thought one way or another.

Speaker 1 And I like that, by the way. Yeah, no, I like that.

Speaker 4 Do you think he's ever had a Pacers or an opposing team on the court or on the hardwood during a bingo, especially?

Speaker 1 I'm not in the house. I have so much respect for that.
I have so much respect for that. I actually appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Because there's people calling from all angles. Oh, yeah.
There's a lot of people calling, like, hey, this could be a good thing. And I was willing to walk in there.

Speaker 1 I knew it was going to be a little hot. I knew it was going to be a little hot.
Do have a scheduling conflict.

Speaker 1 So depending upon what time I was going to be able to go through that, that, I mean, that's a whole nother conversation. But because it was all coming together pretty quick.

Speaker 1 But with that being said, shout out to Ben Stiller. Appreciate you.
We'll be watching. Hope you come back to Indianapolis in future years whenever the Pacers are playing the Knicks.

Speaker 1 Hope it's not this year because that would mean that you guys win tonight. Don't want that.
No. Don't want that at all.

Speaker 1 Would like the Pacers to punch their ticket to the NBA Finals tonight as they take on the New York Knicks in the mecca. Madison Square Garden.
Tyrese Halliburton and the boys are ready.

Speaker 1 And I feel like they are a team that can keep up with that Oklahoma City team because they can run. The thing about it is there's a lot of running happening in these teams that are good.

Speaker 1 Now, both these teams are Oklahoma City and Indiana, if they were to make it. Okay, we're not saying Indiana is there yet.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying if they were to make it, would be the first two teams since 2002 or something like that who do not have to pay a luxury tax for how much money they've spent on their roster to make it to the finals or to win the finals.

Speaker 1 So I guess every team that has won since the salary cap tax has been put in place 2002 or 2003, I forget what the year was,

Speaker 1 has had a team or

Speaker 1 has had a champion that's paid the tax. We're paying more than what salary cap is, but you allow us to do that.
We just have to pay a luxury tax. So the salary cap isn't really a real thing.

Speaker 1 It's just a, hey, if you want to spend this much money, the NBA is going to need some. Yep.

Speaker 1 The rest of the league is going to need some of that money. So they try to kind of make it fair.
But obviously, we've talked to Matt Ishbia, who owns the Phoenix Suns right here.

Speaker 1 He said, my fans don't care about how much I got to pay in luxury tax. They want to see that we win.
So he has a shit ton of money. He puts all of it into the team and pays the tax.

Speaker 1 Now, I think he is being punished for it now as he tries to rebuild that team.

Speaker 1 But since the start of the luxury tax, I guess the teams that make it into the finals always have some sort of fee they got to pay for the amount of superstars that they have on their roster.

Speaker 1 The Pacers in the Oklahoma City Thunder, if that was to be the finals, not saying it is, they would be two teams that do not have to pay the luxury tax because they were able to find dogs at a proper price is what the Indiana Pacers would say and the Oklahoma City Thunder front office would say.

Speaker 1 But basically, they're a team filled with dogs. And they're a team that doesn't seem, teams, that don't seem to to be worried about who gets the credit.

Speaker 1 SGA is the MVP, and I don't see anybody on his team like bummed out about it. They're all pumped for him.
They're all excited for him. He bought everybody Rolexes.

Speaker 1 And then you talk about Pasco Siakam. He was the guy that was the all-star for the team this year.

Speaker 1 He wasn't even the, he was the only all-star from the Indiana Pacers was Pasco Siakam. He's not getting talked about at all nationally.

Speaker 1 It's all Tyrese Hall and Burton getting talked about, even from us and of course, Pasco doesn't care. Pasco doesn't give a damn.
He's just there to win games. And you talk about Obi-Toppin.

Speaker 1 He knows exactly what he's in there to do. Everybody, Shepard's in there to smack the wood.
Like, these guys just understand their roles. They understand what they're there for.

Speaker 1 And Coach Carlisle and the coach from Oklahoma City have been fantastic at how they've gotten the team's cultures to these places. And obviously, you got to have superstars, which both these teams do.

Speaker 1 So can the Pacers take care of business tonight against the New York Knicks? It's going to be a tough game, man. Yeah, for sure.
All these games have been battles.

Speaker 1 Even whenever there's been big blowouts, I mean, the game that the New York Knicks won, the Pacers were up 20 for a large majority of that game.

Speaker 1 And then the Knicks come back, let alone in the garden, where that place can get rolling. Those people are on top of you.
There's a chance for some runs. It's going to be a battle tonight.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to watch. No easy task.
And hopefully the Pacers punch their tickets, brother. The talks and tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.
Obviously, these series have been great.

Speaker 1 Been some blowouts, but mostly NBA, NHL series have been fantastic. This NBA one, because the Pacers are in, I think, makes us kind of close to it a little bit more.

Speaker 1 What Oklahoma City did to Minnesota last night was a thumping. It was, what, 7134 at one point? Yeah.
It's like that's an ass beating.

Speaker 1 That's like a really good high school team taking on a very bad high school team. And that was in a, obviously, in Oklahoma City.
That's a Western Conference final game.

Speaker 1 This Oklahoma City team is dominant, and they have been for a long time.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they're unblocked. And that's what almost kind of sucks is because in the Eastern Conference, the games have been so good and so highly contested.

Speaker 5 And it's one of those things where like you have to be locked in in the fourth quarter because you really don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 I don't want to say that this series has been borderline unwatchable because that's not really the right way to phrase it, but it is like at that point last night when it's you know 71 to 35 or whatever, like it's over.

Speaker 5 And there's no feeling that, oh, Minnesota's got to run in them. They're going to come back because we've kind of seen it throughout the series.

Speaker 5 So that is when it's nice that you have a hockey game that's competitive going on because otherwise it's like this will put you to sleep, just but that's how dominant they are.

Speaker 5 They're just workmanlike and they just, they go out and kind of just beat the piss out of of you and that's what they did this whole series but if we get like you said if it is pacers if they end up making it to the nba finals and it's pacers thunder i know everyone is saying like oh it's you know no one's gonna watch it because it's not too big markets the the style of play and the brand of basketball in those finals is gonna be so entertaining it's gonna it's gonna be incredible and i think if you're not a huge basketball fan like that would be a great time to get in and be like wow this is this is unbelievable this is what playoff basketball should be these bulls run yeah Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 There is running out there. If they give up a bucket, who cares? We're pushing it back the other way.
And they're just going to see if you're in shape.

Speaker 1 And I think that's a big deal with these teams at this point. I know I keep going back to this, but I was literally just feet away from the game.

Speaker 1 Great seats.

Speaker 1 Had a desk in front of me. It's awesome.
Good spot. I was on the pacers' bench.
It's cool to be there.

Speaker 1 Very close to the action. Very, very close to the action.
You could see that the Knicks were tired.

Speaker 1 and it's like the pacers bench the way they were acting whenever they saw that was like pots like this is the in the oklahoma city team they're not scared to put like pot like let's go for it like it's i think we got two very good teams potentially pacers need to handle business right and if they lose tonight remember it was just three two yeah it's not a big deal not a big deal it's not a big deal actually come back in

Speaker 1 home get a chance to celebrate Don't want to give any momentum back to New York.

Speaker 5 No, they want to win tonight for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we would like this to be, we don't need this to keep going. We don't need this to keep going.
If you're a Pacer fan, if you're a Knicks fan, you win tonight. You start having hope again.

Speaker 1 I mean, the other night, obviously,

Speaker 1 game four there, that one, if the Knicks win, I think bad news. I think bad news for

Speaker 1 sure. Tonight, obviously, can still get it done, but I appreciate that.
I mean, you talked about how big of a blowout last night's game was. That Kanes

Speaker 1 Panthers game was unbelievable. Yeah, so down to come back.
It's nice to have that. We're going to be losing that here soon.
I know. We're going to be losing that soon.

Speaker 1 Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, AP Tone. What's the stat that we're not talking about, you think?

Speaker 4 Something we tend to forget about with this Thunder team, because they are young and like we didn't talk about, they won the West by 16 games this year.

Speaker 4 Like they were 16 games up on the number two Houston Rockets seat, and that wasn't talked. They were the co-favorites with the Celtics for a lot of the year to win this whole thing.

Speaker 4 And I feel like a lot of times on these championship runs with teams like this, it's not always their conference finals or the finals where they have the hardest series.

Speaker 4 like they the nuggets took them seven and a lot of the times like when you when you have to go against a veteran team that's won before and you take them seven and you get over that hump like and then they just kind of cruised it in this series and then on the on the other side the pacers they kind of treat basketball like like we do normally that it doesn't start after until after football season after football season the pacers and the calves i think were the or in the and the thunder were the three best teams uh in the league as far as record-wise like if the pacers thought it was basketball season all season long they could have been in a situation with the Thunderwork.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and if they would have been able to play the way, because Tyrese had a cold start. I think he would even say that.
All-star break comes.

Speaker 1 He's not in the all-star game or he's not playing or selected. So

Speaker 1 he comes out the other side of that incredible. So does the rest of the Pacers team, because if he's playing well, the rest of the team's playing well.
He is the point guard for the entire squad.

Speaker 1 He's a coach on the court.

Speaker 1 They're fun, man.

Speaker 1 It's a fun team to watch. So is this Knicks team? You know, I hear the Knicks people now saying, well, we're, you know, over,

Speaker 1 like, this is not what we expected this year. You know, we did not expect to be this good.
We're in the Eastern Conference finals. You know, we were built.

Speaker 1 What it was said yesterday to me, we were built to beat the Celtics. Not the Pacers.
Not built to beat the Pacers. Like, there's all these things coming.

Speaker 1 I think Knicks fans are happy with the year, right? If we go to Bruce back there, Bruce, Knicks fans, incredibly pumped that you guys are in the Easter Conference finals.

Speaker 1 This is the best the Knicks have been, what, since forever, it feels like.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you could maybe argue 2012 when, you know, Carmelo, Mari Stodemeyer, and J.R.

Speaker 6 Smith were doing their thing that we may have been this good, but this is definitively the best we've been in 25 years. Kind of a weird season all in.

Speaker 6 We had 51 wins in the regular season, but I think we were like 0-6 against the top three teams in the league.

Speaker 6 Obviously tested by the rough and tumble Detroit Pistons, and then, you know, shocked the world with the huge upset over the Celtics.

Speaker 6 So we've kind of fallen into like the worry that we had at the end of the regular season where it's like, We are kind of a disjointed mess where the starting lineup looks like they don't know how to play together.

Speaker 6 But hey, you know, tough questions need tough answers in the offseason.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Bruce already thinking about, he's bummed out. He's bummed out.
Bruce won a game four bad. Yeah, bad.

Speaker 1 I think him and Schraeger were sharing some maybe, you know, some moments with each other, knowing that this one's a big one tonight. Game four, this is a big deal.

Speaker 1 Go down 3-1, obviously vastly different than 2-2. But if that goes 2-2, and then you're going back to the garden, it's just a whole different vibe, a whole different world.

Speaker 1 Now down 3-1, it's a hope and a prayer almost as opposed. And he hasn't had much hope.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And his prayers have been for the offseason.
They haven't been for this series.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's been a whole different thing.

Speaker 6 I don't know if there's anything basketball-wise that you can look at on the court that gives us hope that we can do this in seven.

Speaker 6 The one thing, like, maybe we get a better whistle, and like Matherin trying to WWE tackle everybody starts getting called a little bit.

Speaker 6 But I don't know if anything play-wise is inspiring.

Speaker 1 You're saying the NBA officials are on the Indiana Pacers side.

Speaker 6 You know, Dolan's got heat.

Speaker 2 Said that about a a couple series.

Speaker 1 Geez, so ridiculous. Okay, before Jamal Crawford joins us, let's talk about a few things happening around the NFL world.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco gave an interesting quote about his role as a Cleveland Brown quarterback. Obviously, he's the most tenured quarterback in the Cleveland Browns locker room.

Speaker 1 He found himself in this situation last year with the Indianapolis Colts as well, and he ended up playing a lot of time for the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 1 The time did not go as well as it went the year prior when he was with the Cleveland Browns, when he came in halfway through the season, when their quarterback situation was a complete mess.

Speaker 1 He was on the couch, literally on our show, throwing footballs in his backyard. Then he goes to Cleveland Browns with Stefanski, and he leads him to the playoff run.
Yeah. Leads him to a playoff run.

Speaker 1 He has such a good year. The Colts signed him, bring him in for a little bit of money.
Goes bad here, but Anthony Richardson drafted fourth overall.

Speaker 1 Anthony Richardson is supposed to be the future of the program. Joe Flacco had to get asked the entire time about leading, being a mentor, teaching this guy the game.

Speaker 1 Now he's back to Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 4 They got four quarterbacks with Dylan Gabriel, Shador sanders kenny pickett and joey flacco and he's being asked the same questions are you gonna coach these guys or what is it and he gives one of the best answers i've ever heard it's a talking point you can kind of like use it like because it's it's a good question to bait somebody into answering and either and no matter how they answer it it kind of makes the guy that's answering it look bad if i if i say i don't want to be a mentor i look bad if i say i do want to be a mentor then i look like an idiot that doesn't care about put being good and playing football so it's one of those questions that no matter what i say you guys can write what you want to write about it.

Speaker 4 And there's a lot of questions like that. That's why you end up having to try to avoid them.
I tend to try to be honest. And I've said, I'm not a mentor.
I play football.

Speaker 4 And in a quarterback room, there's a lot of times already, there's been already a ton of times where there's learning experiences, and I have a lot of experience, and I can talk on things.

Speaker 4 And hopefully, they listen. But it's not necessarily like my job to make sure they listen to me.

Speaker 4 And, you know, hey, like, hopefully, you have a really good relationship with the guys that are in the room. And you naturally want to do that, you know, but

Speaker 4 that's, yeah, that was a long-winded answer, but that's ultimately why I think you guys ask it, you know. Here's the thing:

Speaker 4 because of what I just said, like, you're acting like I wouldn't want to be a mentor.

Speaker 4 Like, once again, it's not really about that. It's just not the main focus.
I see myself as a guy that can play in this league.

Speaker 4 So, if your main focus was just like, hey, what, I'm going to get you ready, you're just not taking care of business.

Speaker 4 The best way to be a mentor, honestly, is like show people how you go to work, you know.

Speaker 4 like I said, hope that they pick up on that stuff, but not necessarily force them to pick up on the things that you do.

Speaker 1 The guy gives a minute-long answer about why no matter what answer I give you, you're going to have your narrative about it. If I say, I don't want to be a mentor for this guy, I'm a bad teammate.

Speaker 1 I do want to be a mentor for this guy. Is he focused on leading the Browns? It's a no-win situation.
I've said this. I'm not a mentor.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But if he learns from me and we have a good room, that is good news. He's obviously been in the NFL a long time for good reason.

Speaker 1 The guy's an elite quarterback, which goes back to when he was asked, does he think he's elite? And I think he's always given these types of answers to the media. Do I think I'm elite?

Speaker 1 No, I think I'm just a bum. What am I supposed to say to that? Yes, I think I'm elite, which then

Speaker 1 immediately leads to everybody saying Joe Flacco is elite. It's like, what am I supposed to say? I'm not elite.
I'm a bum. I want a Super Bowl.
He just gave me $100 million. I'm not elite.

Speaker 1 I'm a waste of money. What am I supposed to do? Joe Flacco, whenever he starts speaking with that action,

Speaker 1 incredible. Bad, makes me look bad.
Makes me look bad. Talking.

Speaker 1 So he gives that entire answer about like, no matter what I say here, you are going to find a bad way. Then it goes to a cut.
Somebody goes, so you're not a mentor.

Speaker 1 And he's like, this is exactly what. That's what I'm talking about.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. That's a tough situation over there, especially because, you know, there's some.

Speaker 1 NFL players that are veterans that it comes out later that like, this guy just wanted the next person in line to do great, wanted to pass the torch.

Speaker 1 Normally that's for people that are pillars for a certain team where they care about a certain franchise, where it's like, hey, I I want this franchise to be good for the next guy that's coming through.

Speaker 1 I think Jason Kelsey helped draft Cam Juergens to be the next center of the Philadelphia Eagles. I think he was part of the whole process because he wanted to pass the torch to him.

Speaker 1 I assume in meetings when he asked questions, it was good. But there's been a lot of people, especially at the quarterback position, that are like, do you know how much shit I got to do?

Speaker 1 I got to learn everything. I got to learn everything that's going on with everybody.
I got to build relationships with everybody in this building. I got to be a CEO of this team.

Speaker 1 And then you want me to also, what? Am I doing private tutor lessons with these rookies to tell them everything that I know so that they can potentially take my job as well?

Speaker 1 Like if they want to watch what I do, if they want to ask me questions, good, I think Aaron even said that with Jordan Love. Yeah.
He was like, it's not, I got to play a football game.

Speaker 1 And you think Tom Brady's worried about coaching? younger quarterbacks? No.

Speaker 1 You think the guys we're trying to beat for the Super Bowl are worried about, their quarterbacks are worried about teaching other people, not only being a player, but now you got to be a coach.

Speaker 1 Andrew also got to be a teacher and you got to be a private tutor. It's like that shit.
Football is hard, especially at the quarterback quarterback position.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco's like, I don't, I still think I'm a guy. Like, I don't, I want to start for this team.
We went to the playoffs a couple years ago when I was here. I'm looking to do the same thing.

Speaker 1 I love that answer from him. And I think Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders obviously understand because I think we've been around Joe.
He's a pretty approachable guy.

Speaker 1 Tall. Very much huge.
Very approachable, though.

Speaker 1 It's like, I assume he'll answer any question that they have, but he's not going out of his way to put up study sheets together for these guys to know what the hell they're supposed to do.

Speaker 1 I think it was a great answer by Joe Flecker.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's learning through osmosis. It's not learning through like tests and quizzes.
It's like, hey, I'm just going to watch this guy. Like you mentioned, Kelsey, you mentioned Rogers.

Speaker 2 It's not as if they didn't play and they were standing on the sidelines with a play sheet and, you know, a clipboard and then letting them know, hey, you need to do this, this, and this.

Speaker 2 When Jordan Love or Juergens or Dickerson were coming off the field, it was, no, watch what I do. And then when I am done, that's when the torch is passed.

Speaker 2 Like, Rogers didn't stay on the Packers once Jordan Love started. Kelsey didn't stay on the Eagles once, you know, his time was up.

Speaker 2 It's those guys finish their careers, and then kind of the next person comes in. And then you can kind of judge, like, okay, was this guy a good mentor?

Speaker 2 Or more so, did this other guy just not really understand how it worked?

Speaker 1 So that's in football. Let's go to basketball with a guy, I assume, who's been put in a position to mentor people.
20-plus years in the NBA, three-time sixth man of the year.

Speaker 1 He's a Michigan mod, but he lives. On one of the coasts.
Never forget it. Especially whenever he starts talking about this Pacers next series.
That's right. Ladies and gentlemen, Jamal Crawford.

Speaker 1 How are you doing, Jamal?

Speaker 7 What up, fellas? What up?

Speaker 1 Hey, I don't know if you have a chance to hear Joe Flacco's answer there as we were trying to connect with you. He's obviously been in the NFL a long time.
He's won a Super Bowl. He's been a made man.

Speaker 1 He's had success in a lot of different places. As a quarterback, he has a lot of experiences.

Speaker 1 He was asked, hey, are you going to be a mentor to Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders and probably even Kenny Pickett?

Speaker 1 I don't know if you heard his answer, but basically his answer was, I got to worry about my own. Like, I got enough shit I got to do.
If they want to watch and learn from me, that's cool.

Speaker 1 But I don't have time to be like a coach for them as well as being a professional player. In basketball, especially 20 plus years,

Speaker 1 what is the mentor conversation? There's like OGs conversation in football. Is the older guys in your room? You kind of go and ask them questions, but they're not being tasked with coaching you.

Speaker 1 They're just kind of the people you lean on. Is it the same in the NBA? And how is that for you?

Speaker 8 I think

Speaker 8 it's the same, but it has its differences as well. What I mean by that is, yeah, at times you may like, hey, young fellow needs some guidance.

Speaker 8 If I say something to him here, it can kind of change his trajectory.

Speaker 8 I had that with Rick Brunson, Charles Oakley, Scotty Pippen, guys like that, you know, that were Kendall Gill that were instrumental in kind of setting the foundation.

Speaker 8 But then there's been other guys like, look, I'm not going to say anything. Just follow my lead.
And if it works for you, take it. If it's something that can help you in your career, take it.

Speaker 8 So I've seen both sides of it. And I don't think he was wrong with that answer.
And he was absolutely right saying, and no matter what I say, you're going to say this was wrong anyway.

Speaker 8 So he nailed it.

Speaker 1 How about the person immediately followed up? Like, he gives that whole answer. And so, you're not going to be a mentor.
All right. So,

Speaker 1 literally, what I just said, you were going to say whatever. If he wants to learn, he wants to learn.
Okay, let's talk a little bit of the hoops here.

Speaker 1 You were pumped up last night about this Oklahoma City team, and you've been talking about this for a while.

Speaker 1 I think you were the one that brought up the stat about, I think they've only lost 14 games this year.

Speaker 1 You were the one that brought up the stat that if they eliminated free throws completely from the NBA, SGA would still be the leading scorer in this entire thing. So, what is it about this OKC team?

Speaker 1 And why is the coach the guy that you think isn't getting enough conversation about?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 8 we see the obvious, right? We see SGA getting 30 a game. We see their defenses top-notch.

Speaker 8 We see their role players, you know, stepping up, being stars at times in shape, not having a problem giving them the rock, letting them make plays. But the coach, I called a couple games last year.

Speaker 8 And one game in particular, I think it was Sacramento. Sacramento went on a 4-0 run.
Game just started. He calls a timeout immediately.

Speaker 8 It was one of those pop-up bitch moves where I'm like, oh, okay, he's so in tune with his team.

Speaker 8 And to see them respond, I've just been watching him and how smart he is, how he like navigates the chess pieces.

Speaker 8 One thing you should know as a player on OKC, you're not going to be out coached that day. So that's a certain comfort level knowing that we're prepared.

Speaker 8 Coach has the game plan and he can adjust in real time. So I think he's a star on the sidelines as well.

Speaker 1 How do I say his name, Coach?

Speaker 8 Mark Dagonal.

Speaker 1 Dagonal.

Speaker 8 Dagonal.

Speaker 1 Dagonal. Degnault.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not getting close to that.
I grew up in Pittsburgh. A lot of Italians.
A lot of Italians. I'm not dancing with that.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, hey, Pat, just say Coach Mark to make it easier.

Speaker 1 Coach Mark, Coach Mark out there in OKC has got the boys homing. You know, they're all bought in, especially with that city.
It feels like a wonderful time.

Speaker 1 And they just put boots to ass last night to the Minnesota Timberwolves. Now they await who's going to meet them and represent the Eastern Conference.
Ty has a question for you about this OKC team.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Jamal, kind of the narrative now after last night, especially, a lot of people are saying like, hey, the Thunder are on like the precipice of really becoming a dynasty.

Speaker 5 They have all these guys under contract for the next several years. They have a bunch of first-round picks next year.
Like, do you think that's what we're seeing here?

Speaker 5 Do you think this is going to turn into one of those like, you know, Warriors adjacent teams who was kind of the favorite to win the title every single year?

Speaker 5 And is Oklahoma City going to end up being like a destination for some big name free agents potentially?

Speaker 5 Or do you think that they're kind of just going to do business as they have done and just kind of find the right pieces, draft young guys? Like, do you buy into that whole thing?

Speaker 5 Because all year it was, hey, this team can't win in the playoffs. And now we're saying, hey, they're on the precipice of like being a dynasty and one of the best teams in the history of the NBA.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think they have to win one or two first to start that dynasty label because... They have the runway to do it.
I'll say that. They have an MVP.
He's 26.

Speaker 8 I think their average age is close to 26 or somewhere around there.

Speaker 9 And it's really unusual to see a younger team like this and a young coach kind of peaking at the right time.

Speaker 9 It's usually like a vet coach and this young team kind of whipping him into shape or it's a vet team with a younger coach and they can kind of help him along, you know, like the heat kind of did Spolstrom or how Carlisle's doing these young pacers.

Speaker 9 But this is different because they're both so young and they're both at the start of what could be special and they all like each other.

Speaker 8 And like you said, Presti has it so set up.

Speaker 8 They're set up for the next, they all know how many picks they have exactly, but they're set up for the next five six seven eight years so if they win this first one it could be their most difficult because now they're saying okay you know what everything we've been taught now we know it works so now we have the blueprint on how to win so if they can win this first one they have a runway that they can go out there and win a couple more for sure boys are saying they got four ones this year

Speaker 1 yeah Oklahoma City.

Speaker 2 I believe one is in the top 10.

Speaker 1 They got four ones?

Speaker 5 Yeah, crazy.

Speaker 1 So what do you do that you

Speaker 1 bundle that and get Cooper flag? How's that work? I mean, who knows? Four ones. I don't know in the NBA what that means.
Like, four ones feels like quite a leveraged position.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it won't win the lottery, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, in the lottery in the top. And then if you were to pull up to your point, like, what does that even mean?

Speaker 2 The Paul George trade, the way SGA got to Oklahoma City, I mean, they basically gave up their entire team, all their picks, just for Paul George, and now it's turned into, you know, this with SGA being the MVP and all these other guys.

Speaker 1 So who's on the market? What type of position would the Oklahoma City team need? They got to pay their own guys, I guess, but that doesn't do anything with the four ones.

Speaker 1 So they could be able to be pretty active in this offseason that everybody's talking about being. What did Sean say? The most craziest?

Speaker 5 Yeah, most craziest offseason ever.

Speaker 1 Ever. 4-1s feels like a lot.
I don't know. That just seems like a lot to me.
What type of player would they?

Speaker 1 I don't know. How do you...

Speaker 8 They can get anything, Pat, but the crazy part about it is I think they got what they needed last year.

Speaker 8 I think they need to go through the playoffs with this group, and they're like, oh, okay, we need a bigger bigger guy next to Chet.

Speaker 10 Boom, let's go get Hard.

Speaker 1 Jeez, that's a lot different. Yeah.
Never mind. Everything we said was a lie.

Speaker 1 It's not four ones. That's two ones.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. That's on me.
We had to, we had to,

Speaker 1 yeah, okay, so they got three in the first 44.

Speaker 8 Okay, either way, either way, Pat, they're set up. They can do anything.

Speaker 9 Like, they have those picks. They have players that people want.

Speaker 9 But I think if you look at their history, they've been patient. Look what Presty's done since 2012.
He's helped produce four mvps durant

Speaker 9 rustbrook harden became an mvp and now sga those are four guys that he drafted that have went on to be mvp so we can't question his moves and now he has a load of everything if he ever wants to push his ships to the table he can get almost anybody in the league anybody if he calls they'll listen and he's got the best atmosphere in the nba people are saying that fan base is awesome yeah i mean they are

Speaker 1 bought in completely the blue and white striped arena is fantastic i i mean i uh they say we need to talk about them more during the regular season. I agree.
You win and start a dynasty here.

Speaker 1 I think everybody's going to be forced to talk about how awesome things are over there. Let's go to the Eastern Conference now.

Speaker 1 Tonight, the Indiana Pacers can punch their ticket to meet Oklahoma City in the finals. Now, I have gotten an opportunity to follow this Pacers team all season as you get a...

Speaker 1 Okay, you're back. Connection was unstable, probably on our side, not yours.
I apologize for that.

Speaker 1 But as I've watched this Pacers team all season, they've played like this against everybody basically for the second half of the year. Fast, they run all over the place.
Carlisle always locked in.

Speaker 1 I mean, I gave him a shoulder shot on that sideline. He didn't break, not at all.
I watched him pace in front of me for the entire game. Not one time did he crack a smile.

Speaker 1 He feels like he's locked in. How does this team with Carlisle be a team that can maybe win the fucking NBA title this year? Like,

Speaker 1 why are they so good, you think? And what do they have to do tonight in Madison Square Garden? Is it it start fast

Speaker 9 well start fast don't let the crowd get in the game but they're on the other side of it when you're when you're a player right when i was with the clippers and we got doc rivers we're like you know what here's a coach that's that's won a championship so we're holding on to everything he says it's it's resonating with us differently you can tell the pacers team is going through that with carlisle like he's won a championship he knows what it takes oh and by the way he's not trying to change them young guys want to get up and down the court they want to play fast they want the magic that halliburton can provide with those passes or pascals taking over.

Speaker 9 And they're playing with such energy.

Speaker 9 If they can advance, it will be an unbelievable finals because it's a contrast of styles with the defense versus potent offense. But tonight's going to be a tough one in the garden.

Speaker 9 We know what that's going to be. It may be the loudest it's been all year.
It's going to be a dog fight tonight. I can't wait.
I'm shocked you don't have your Pacers jersey on already.

Speaker 10 I thought you'd be already warmed up for it.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Listen, hey,

Speaker 1 I have not worn it. Except for iron, what's going on over there? What's that?

Speaker 8 Is it creases? Is it iron? It's just waiting for you.

Speaker 11 Like, what's going on over there?

Speaker 1 It's representing, brother.

Speaker 1 There ain't no creases in it. What are you talking about? This thing is, this thing is ready to do its job, which is provide good vibes for the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 1 There's actually a couple of them are stacked up.

Speaker 2 You see, gay Warren McConnell right behind you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, TJ McConnell right here. They're everywhere.
What are you talking about? They're everywhere.

Speaker 9 Okay. All right.
All right. My fault.

Speaker 1 My fault.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm doing my part.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm doing my part. Jamal.
Your coffee. Carlisle.
Unbelievable. Dude, that was, I I gave him a pretty good shot.
Oh, yeah. He and I have talked to each other

Speaker 1 twice. I think he was on the show once.
Yep. And then I talked to him in real life at a fever game, I believe I was at a fever game.
And I ran into him and chit-chatted with him.

Speaker 1 I think he does know of my existence. He understands the gimmick.
Yeah, he did not care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did not care at that moment. But as I see him walking by, I'm like.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Got to.

Speaker 1 Got to give him a shot. You know, and he'd been pacing.
We were sitting right at that CarMax box right there. He'd been pacing in front of of us basically all night.
Did not crack once.

Speaker 1 And then after the game, even the big one, just did not crack one time. It was like, man, this guy is locked in.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Connor has a question for you about the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Jamal, our Resident Knicks fan basically said, like, look, the Knicks were built to beat the Celtics, not the Pacers.

Speaker 2 And, I mean, every single team was built this offseason to beat the Celtics because they were the champions. But what do you think? this year is going to do as far as team building goes going forward.

Speaker 2 The Pacers, you know, they're kind of a running gun team, but, you know, Oklahoma City is so good on offense and defense. Of course, Sean's saying this is going to be the most craziest offseason ever.

Speaker 2 How do you think teams are going to approach it when thinking of, hey, how can we beat Oklahoma City? How can we beat the Indianapolis Pacers?

Speaker 2 Do you think there will be more kind of lone star or just two star type players? per team, or do you think it will be a big three type as we've seen in the past?

Speaker 8 I think what you'll see more so than anything is you'll see more playmakers.

Speaker 9 I think they'll come back to the forefront because in the regular season, you may play a team once, play a totally different team next week.

Speaker 9 When you could lock in the playoffs, and we're seeing it right now with Indiana in New York, for example, they're so locked in on Brunson that he's not

Speaker 9 having the same success he had in the regular season. So now Kat has to step up.
But you're seeing a need for playmakers. OKC has that.
If Shay's not going, here comes J-Dubb.

Speaker 8 He's not going.

Speaker 8 Even Lou Dorth, who can catch and shoot, can make plays. Isaiah Joe, they have these other guys who can make plays.

Speaker 8 And I think you're going to see that come to the forefront because when the game slows down and it really bogs down and they're locked in on your key guy, Anthony Edwards just went through it.

Speaker 8 You need other guys who can make plays and make everybody's job easier and generate shots. So I think that will come to the forefront because the last year has been just three and D.

Speaker 8 Give the star the ball, stay out of his way, do the dirty work. I think you'll get playmakers back in the league.

Speaker 1 We're talking about the running of the Pacers. They run.
Like watching that game the other night, just in real life, I should have gone to a game earlier in the year.

Speaker 1 I should have puts it in perspective. I thought you did get one in.
No.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but the intensity of playoff basketball, you almost don't want to diminish that by going to a regular season game.

Speaker 1 I definitely, I mean, schedule is insane, obviously, always is. So I should, but I should have popped down for a game just because of perspective.
Like just

Speaker 1 how tall everybody is, how big, how much running.

Speaker 1 Like Carl Anthony Towns, me watching him just run up and down that court at his size i was so impressed with but i think that's a big piece of what indiana's like game is like hey we're gonna wear you down like you are gonna be tired by the end of that game they were clearly tired like clearly tired is that something you sign up for whenever you play a team that plays the way the pacers play and is oklahoma city the same or different

Speaker 8 Well, you do sign up for it. When I was in the league back in the day, and it was Steve Nash and the Suns, and they were second, sevens or less, right? And they were getting up and down the court.

Speaker 8 We knew it would be a track meet, but I enjoyed games like that because I wanted to play fast anyway.

Speaker 8 I couldn't imagine doing it in the playoffs when it's the most physical and you know it's the grind of it. The Pacers are like, we're not losing our pace regardless.

Speaker 8 So when you have a pace like the Pacers have, it almost brings another star player to your team because it generates shots for everybody. You'll know where it's coming from.

Speaker 8 They'll generate another 20, 30 points. So Coach Carlisle saying, play free, play fast.
Let's score in three seconds or less.

Speaker 8 They're scoring like that after May baskets, which is unheard of in the playoffs. And that's why that's their superpower.

Speaker 1 Their entire bench, as soon as there's a, as soon as the other team scores, push! Like they are screaming. Like that is getting that ball re-imbounded.

Speaker 1 And then when you talk about you don't know who's going to be the star, I think it's because all you need is one person on the court to be tired or to be laid down. And then that person's wide open.

Speaker 1 And you just need that person to kind of score whenever they have their opportunity. Ben Matherin came in for relief with Tyrese Halliburton, and I don't think they were focused on him.

Speaker 1 He had like six, straight, seven, straight points. He was just running them.
Like it was just very clear. It's a fun style.

Speaker 1 And the fact that they're called the Pacers, you know, and it's a pace type of play

Speaker 1 is a perfect match with our city.

Speaker 2 I mean, Neesmith in the comeback.

Speaker 2 He's the guy in that situation. He made, what, 6-3? He had 20 points in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Carl Anthony Towns will never get enough credit for running as much as he did just in game four. I don't know about all the other ones, but watching him lumber back and forth.

Speaker 1 I'm like, how's this guy survive? I have no idea how you guys do 82 games. No clue how you do it, but I appreciate the fact that they're pulling it off.

Speaker 1 Now, Tony has a question about the defensive side.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Jamal, obviously, you know,

Speaker 4 you made your hay in the NBA on the defensive side of the ball, so I figured I'd ask you about that.

Speaker 8 Fucked up like Gary Page, of course.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 4 So, OKC, everyone knows about their defense and all like the highlights you see. They have so many just tip balls and fast break points.

Speaker 4 Watching last night, and the Pacers, when you watch their highlights, it's similar. And I know their defense has gotten better as the season has gone on.

Speaker 8 Is it more of an effort thing in the NBA, or can you scheme a great defense in the nba you can scheme a great defense i think it's more trust because trust is built on the defensive end because your your instinctive nature is to say i don't want my man to score what's no it's it's five guys guarding the ball and that's why anthony edwards had no gaps that's why whoever they play has no gaps or no driving lanes because there's help everywhere you go one guy has the ball five sets of eyes are watching him so it forces him to either take a tough shot repeatedly over and over and over or have to pass the ball and trust his teammates And they're so connected, and that's what's rare about a young team.

Speaker 8 Usually, vet guys are like, you know what, we're going to need this in the playoffs. We've been through it, we've been in the league 15 years.

Speaker 8 These guys are doing it young, and they're taking pride in it.

Speaker 8 And they're almost looking like, you know what, let's see how many stops we can get in a row because they know they're breaking the other team's spirit because they're trying to, you know, do whatever they can to get a shot.

Speaker 8 They're so locked in on the defense that it makes it easy on offense because they're getting stops and they're going.

Speaker 1 What happens tonight?

Speaker 8 Pacers throw the the first punch. I'll say this.

Speaker 1 Just can't say it, huh?

Speaker 8 Whoever's leading by halftime wins the game.

Speaker 1 Okay, so there's no crazy fourth quarter shenanigans like there has been a few different times. What if it's tied?

Speaker 8 Two different types of pressure. The Knicks are trying to survive.
The Pacers are saying we're going to go to the finals tonight. So it's two different types of pressure.

Speaker 8 Whoever's winning at halftime and can settle into their game first, I think, wins tonight.

Speaker 1 What if it is tied? If it's a close game, who's it go go to?

Speaker 8 Then they better hope Reggie Miller's not on the call because then it gets ugly late.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. He is.
You could have just said Pacers win. That would have been cool.

Speaker 1 I would have liked to hear that. That would have been nice.
Hey,

Speaker 8 hey, I played for the Knicks, not the Pacers. I'm just saying, hey, I got it.
You know, I know what you're feeling over there, but I'm just being honest.

Speaker 1 Feels like everybody played for the Knicks. Yeah, it just feels like more and more people.
We appreciate the hell out of you. You're the man, ladies and gentlemen.
Jamal Crawford. Yeah, Jamal.

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Speaker 1 Shout out to Ram Trucks, Dodge Ram Trucks. Let's do a little bit more football talk, shall we? College football talk, even more so.
Kurt Signetti of the Indiana Hoosiers is kind of,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say exposing, but potentially shining a light on something that maybe we haven't talked about enough in this entire NIL boosters donors world that we have.

Speaker 1 How many teams, you know, are hogging

Speaker 1 the boosters and the donors

Speaker 1 money. Kurt Signetti, who went to Indiana.

Speaker 1 this past season from a massively successful run at JMU, comes over to the Indiana Hoosiers, hits the transfer portal, brings in a lot of D2 guys, a lot of guys that maybe have been kind of undervalued, people that haven't really had the opportunity to be in the spotlight.

Speaker 1 Dogs is basically what he was looking for. And he turns this Indiana team into a Big Ten threat, gets them all the way into the damn near to the dance.

Speaker 1 And whenever you're thinking about this Indiana Hoosiers, Notre Dame actually kicked off the entire thing.

Speaker 1 When you think about this Indiana Hoosier team, they're maybe going to be the talking point of the depiction of what the Transfer Portal and the NAO can be.

Speaker 1 They transformed a team in a school that had been dead, didn't even care about football. What's the football team?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's something that happens in the fall that maybe a few hundred of us can go do on a Saturday in cold-ass Bloomington, Indiana, into a sellout after sellout, into a national spotlight, into holy hell.

Speaker 1 Indiana's always been a basketball school. Now it's a football school literally overnight because Kurt Signetti and NIL and what the boosters did.

Speaker 1 Well, the basketball team hired a coach that they like.

Speaker 1 Now Kurt Signetti's saying saying this.

Speaker 1 I'd like to assign a few more, but you know, when we hired Darien and he lost his whole roster, money got a little tight because he had to put a teeth together. I felt a pinch.

Speaker 1 Everybody's laughing around him. He's telling the truth.

Speaker 1 Kurt Signetti is dead ass serious.

Speaker 1 I felt a pinch a little bit. So that's an interesting dynamic on where the money goes, whatever things happen.
Darian DeVries is the coach that was from West Virginia, at West Virginia, one year.

Speaker 1 Don't love.

Speaker 1 Don't love how that went. You made the right move.

Speaker 2 Almost went to the tournament.

Speaker 1 They were close.

Speaker 1 His boy didn't play all year. They got stopped, actually.
Which is interesting. He didn't play all year.
Well, he played just the amount of games to still have a red shirt or whatever.

Speaker 1 He did get hurt. He had a shoulder head surgery.

Speaker 1 He's very good. He is.
Very, very, very good.

Speaker 1 Well, we thought that was potentially coming to West Virginia. We were about to go on a run again.
We were back. West Virginia hoops was all the way back.
It did not work out. Now he's at Indiana.

Speaker 1 I assume he is thrilled. Okay.
Dream job, obviously. The Hoosiers, as are the West Virginia Mountaineers, basketball job.
Sure. But he is now at the Hoosiers.

Speaker 1 I assume whenever he negotiated his deal with Indiana, he did the same thing that Signetti did and said, hey, I'm guaranteed this, this, this, and this from the boosters and from NIL.

Speaker 1 Sure, sure, sure. And then Signetti's sitting in his office.
He's going, I got a five-star, two-star that needs a job. I need an extra 75 grand.
Well, actually,

Speaker 1 we need a shooting guard, actually, for Darien's team because we don't have that. And his boy needs a little bit more money as well.
And Signetti's like, well, I thought we had this whole thing going.

Speaker 1 Now, who knows what the future looks like for the Indiana Hoosier football team? I assume Signeti will win.

Speaker 1 But whenever you think about these schools that have some, but not a lot, it's like, when does that well run dry?

Speaker 4 And they try in both sports.

Speaker 11 Like,

Speaker 4 you think of those like Indiana, like North Carolina, like Duke. Like, there's a lot of times when you've been a national powerhouse on the other side where that other team is going to get squeezed.

Speaker 4 that's funny thinking about a booster sitting at his house and going, do I want basketball or football this year?

Speaker 1 And that's really what it is in the modern world that we're in right now. And if you push, like all those boosters should feel good about what the football team did.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, do you see what we did to the entire thing? But the boosters probably in Indiana have always been a basketball school. So always been like, wow, we need pinstraps.

Speaker 1 We need that to remain. We need that to our candy straps.
We need that to remain in this entire thing. And it's like some schools, I think a lot of boosters put money in and they did not succeed.

Speaker 1 And I think you're going to see, oh, yeah, I ain't doing that.

Speaker 1 I ain't doing that anymore. And you're going to see like schools have maybe like a booster alumni get interested for whatever reason.
I mean, Ellison,

Speaker 1 who owns Lanai, Hawaii,

Speaker 1 owns Oracle, but in doing so, has also bought a piece of land from the United States of America. Nice piece.
Grew beautiful. Beautiful out there.

Speaker 1 400 billion, I think, or whatever. He's 300 billion.
He started dating a Michigan alumni. So he just became a Michigan booster.

Speaker 1 So now Michigan not only has all their billionaires that they have, they add like the third wealthiest guy. And it's like he's in there.
That can happen to any school.

Speaker 1 Like, and I'm not saying that particular situation, but like somebody can get interested in a school for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, boom, football team does well, basketball team does well. And then if they don't do well, money drops off and they're gone.
It's like, how does that get monitored?

Speaker 1 That'll be an interesting dynamic.

Speaker 1 Not saying the Hoosier football team is dead, but I think what we saw last year is going to be tough to sustain, especially if they have to split the cash, especially for a school that is normally heralded as a basketball school.

Speaker 1 Wild to think about all the future possibilities.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it also makes so much sense why the SEC is up in arms about this NIL, because what has become a conference in basketball, the SEC was, what, the most dominant conference this year.

Speaker 2 We had a conversation about the NCAA tournament, how they had, what, nine teams or something?

Speaker 1 13 or something.

Speaker 2 13 teams from the SEC, and the SEC is kind of the conference that was always known for running football and then we talk about you know kind of jokingly hey the big tens won a few titles in a row here but that is serious now where you're looking at the NIL and what SIG is talking about.

Speaker 2 Now I assume the Big Ten is one of those conferences like Penn State that we see that we talk about that has a bunch of money, a bunch of very wealthy boosters, whereas the SEC might be worried about that because there's so much money up north.

Speaker 2 And Bama,

Speaker 2 they didn't go to the playoff last year for the first time ever, but their basketball team was a one seed or they went to the final four.

Speaker 2 And then Florida being kind of a football team that has really fallen off. But hey, don't look now.
Their basketball team is the national champs.

Speaker 2 Kentucky, I guess you could throw into the category has always been a basketball school and never really will be a football school.

Speaker 2 But for these SEC teams and these Big Ten teams, if you have to pick right now between football or basketball, that puts your school in a terrible spot.

Speaker 2 Whereas the Big Ten, it feels like they don't have to pick.

Speaker 2 They're the schools that kind of can go either way, but it's interesting for that aspect to be kind of spotlighted now, especially with the SEC.

Speaker 5 Well, and I think, like you said, like the way it used to be, it seems like, you know, when like when we were in college, was if a booster gave like a massive donation, like that was kind of like they were good for a while.

Speaker 5 You know, they'd build like a new facility or something, get their name on it. Now it's, it's like an every-year thing.

Speaker 5 It's not just like, hey, you donated this athletics facility for us. We appreciate you.
You're set for the next, however, it's like, hey, this thing doesn't end.

Speaker 5 So it's like, yeah, you gave us $500,000 last year. Like, we're going to need a million this year.

Speaker 5 And who knows how many people, especially at a place like Indiana, where, like you said, like the excitement is where it hasn't been in a long time because they have a new coach.

Speaker 5 It's a basketball school. It's a basketball state.
They want to win.

Speaker 5 So you hate to say it, but it's almost in a position where I'm sure boosters now are like, well, we got to see the football team do do it again.

Speaker 5 Because we want the basketball team to be good again, but I don't know.

Speaker 5 Like, you know, there are a lot of wealthy people out there, but how many people are okay with just blindly, all right, fine, we'll give 5 million to the football team.

Speaker 5 We'll give 5 million to the basketball team, and we'll do that every year until I'm dead. Like, I don't know how much that's happened.

Speaker 1 You talk about people donating and getting wings and like plaques and things. Now it's just like, yeah, you got us two guards.
We appreciate that. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 I've heard people donate like millions of these things and they don't even get like invited to games. Right, right.
It's like, yeah, yeah, you're like lucky to do this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that has happened, yeah.

Speaker 2 Like Mark Cuban with IU. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 No, I think Mark Cuban could do whatever. I think he's donated a lot to IU pre-NIO and everything.
But yeah, it's just like kind of viewed as just a transaction.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, you are paying for two of our wide receivers. Thank you.
Do I get anything?

Speaker 1 You want to pay for

Speaker 5 pay for them again next year so they don't transfer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like these boosters, I don't think they really get much in return. Like some of these places, I think we heard there was like special access and everything like that.

Speaker 1 If you donate, I think like 10 million or something like that.

Speaker 2 You get the premier Gator hunting package.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you can definitely get the Gator check. Exactly.
I did not hear that at LSU, but I do believe there is an opportunity to get in a great Gator hunt.

Speaker 1 You get in a good Gator hunt down there, plus get your name maybe on the back or the bottom of a seat somewhere in a stadium outside of the stadium.

Speaker 1 Like that is kind of how it's viewed now is like super transactional. Do you want to help your school or not? You do? Thank you.
We need $175,000. Yeah.
Yeah. For what? This guy's good tackle.

Speaker 1 Is he playing this year? No. No, he'll be playing next year, but we're going to need you to pay him again next year, too.
It's like, what do I get out of it?

Speaker 1 They give you a parking pass at the practice. So you come watch this guy.
He's not going to play during the games. Okay, so you see him at practice.
Okay. Okay, $175,000.

Speaker 1 And it's like, how many uber wealthy people are out there that are just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing in return. Not even a tax write-off.
Yeah, sure. Everybody says, like, oh, it's a tax write-off.

Speaker 1 It's a tax write-off. A lot of these people have no idea what tax write-offs are, and they have no clue clue how it works.
And what are you actually getting back? Tiny amount, tax write-off.

Speaker 1 It's not even that. It's just like you're just.
It's a donation. Is it going to a charity? Are they building anything?

Speaker 1 No, it's a guy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 This guy's going to play 100 snaps next year.

Speaker 1 Building the offensive line. Okay.
Did you see what happened to our quarterback? Your buddy over there is paying, ask him how much he's paying.

Speaker 1 He's paying for a quarterback. You don't think we need to protect him?

Speaker 1 And then they just got to do that again next year. And we thought that ruling was coming.
It wasn't a ruling. No time soon.
It was the first day of, it was the first day of trial, baby.

Speaker 1 They need that that ruling. Yeah, and that ruling's nowhere near.

Speaker 4 And a lot of the donors, you know,

Speaker 4 they started getting, you know, the head coach position and the offensive. Not actually, the offensive coordinator position was just named after that person.

Speaker 1 That was like 30 million or something like that.

Speaker 1 Soon it's going to be like the Mark Ruffalo quarterback Dylan Ryola.

Speaker 2 Legit. Which would be sweet.
The incredible Hulk quarterback.

Speaker 2 How long do you think it'll last for teams like Ohio State where it's like a legacy wide receiver?

Speaker 2 Like, hey, you go to Ohio State as a wide receiver, you know, you following all these incredible guys. Like, do you think that has any legs anymore?

Speaker 1 Like in negotiation? Yeah, negotiation. Sabin was able to get, I think, a deal.
Yeah, like a traction, like for, for high school. As long as Heartline's there, it'll do that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, I want to be the next great quarterback at.

Speaker 1 I think that's all in your NIO negotiations, but like Indiana's going to have to pay top dollar, I assume. For sure.

Speaker 1 Like for their guys. They're going to find their guys.
They're going to have to pay top dollar. There isn't like a negotiation like, hey, you come get a lot of exposure.
You build your brain.

Speaker 1 We do this. We have proven track record.
They have one year, you know, like Kurtz Ignite can sell like, Google me, I win, certainly real, especially amongst people.

Speaker 1 But if there's competition with Ohio State and everywhere else, like the bag is possible, huge.

Speaker 1 In Ohio State, I think you do sacrifice some money probably for a national championship is probably what they're talking about.

Speaker 1 Hey, we're in prime time every single week, literally a noon game every single week, not allowed to be on at night, okay, which is a wild scene over there. Texas said, we're not doing that.

Speaker 1 We're not doing Sunday night. Oh, yeah.
We're going to stay at noon. Okay, Ohio State.
Ohio State's like, so we're the biggest draw. We're the best team.

Speaker 1 But because the TV deal that our conference has, we have to play at noon every single Saturday. That's right.
This is the new prime time. It's like, well, what about our fans?

Speaker 1 You don't think our fans want to have like a full...

Speaker 2 Yeah, get boozed up all day on Saturday.

Speaker 1 Got a night game. You don't think we want to showcase September when Mercer comes to town? Sure.
We'll see. Maybe another deal will be done in the future where maybe you can get a night game.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. It's pretty crazy in that.
Speaking of crazy and college sports, President Charlie Baker of the NCAA says March Madness expansion could come as early as next year.

Speaker 1 That would be the goal to try and do this for next year. We've been talking about 72 or 76.
That's via David

Speaker 1 Rumsey, via On3 Sports, via Charlie Baker having a press conference somewhere.

Speaker 1 Shout out to On3. They do a great job on top of literally everything.
Isn't March Madness figured out? Yeah, it's perfect.

Speaker 1 Literally perfect. 64, nice and clean.

Speaker 4 The bracket works perfectly. I mean, well, it's 68, sorry.
Even the play-ins we've accepted as nice now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't understand. We got it figured out.
This is just like whenever the NFL was talking about changing the playoffs. It's like, yo, got it figured out.
Yeah. You found it.

Speaker 1 This is the right one. College football playoffs, they got to figure it out.
We're almost

Speaker 1 to figure it out still. But it's like March Madness has been figured out.
72, 76, okay, maybe a 76 seed. We'll be able to go in.
That'd be sick.

Speaker 1 Maybe on the bubble there would be very pissed. Yeah.
You know, the 90th ranked team in the country is going to be pretty pissed. It didn't get in March Madness.
Yeah, that's stupid.

Speaker 1 They're in the bubble. They're in the dance.
It's like, I think we got to figure it out. Charlie Baker, I believe, has a good brain.
We've had a chance to chat with him. This one just, why you got it?

Speaker 1 You already figured it out. You guys dominate everything.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, I guess what, you add a couple more time slots on that Thursday, Friday where, you know, you can, you can start games at 11.45 p.m. now, too.

Speaker 5 But it's like, it'll always be the same thing, and the scale will always slide. Like, right now, the teams who don't make it in, who are on the bubble, are pissed off.

Speaker 5 And the easy, you know, like devil's advocate is like.

Speaker 5 68 teams are making this. Like, you got to just be a little bit better.
And then you'll get.

Speaker 1 Oh, West Virginia, Australia.

Speaker 2 They did. They did this shit.

Speaker 1 They'll get it. Oh, West.
They'll They'll get in next year. Yeah, they'll get it.

Speaker 5 But it's like the same thing, you know, and then you move it. And then now the team that's 77th, like they're going to be pissed off.
It's like, you got to win to get in, period.

Speaker 2 West Virginia did get the Neil Brown of basketball, like Ross White or something.

Speaker 1 Ross Hodge. Hodge, Coach Hodge.
There it is. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I have a little respect for Ross Hodge.

Speaker 2 Yeah, my bad. It translates to Neil Brown.
North Virginia.

Speaker 1 Same amount of letters. Heather Denitch is reporting that Lane Kevin said, just get the best 16 teams possible.
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Speaker 1 Wow. He's been a Ryder Cup winner.
Jeez.

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He's one in life, this guy. Ladies and gentlemen, Ohio's finest, A.J.
Hawk.

Speaker 7 Joe Flacco was spot on by the whole mentorship situation. He handled that question beautifully.
I know you covered it in the first hour, but credit to Joe on that one.

Speaker 1 If you missed it, here is what A.J. Hawk is talking about.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco, for the second year in a row, is now being talked or being asked about, hey, are you going to teach these younger guys how to be NFL quarterbacks? Here's his answer.

Speaker 4 It's a talking point.

Speaker 4 You can kind of like use it like because it's a good question to bait somebody into answering and either and no matter how they answer it it kind of makes the guy that's answering it look bad.

Speaker 4 If I say I don't want to be a mentor, I look bad. If I say I do want to be a mentor, then I look like an idiot that doesn't care about being good and playing football.

Speaker 4 So it's one of those questions that no matter what I say, you guys can write what you want to write about it. And there's a lot of questions like that.

Speaker 4 That's why you end up having to try to avoid them. I tend to try to be honest.
And I've said I'm not a mentor. I play football.

Speaker 4 And in a quarterback room, there's a lot of times, already, there's been already a ton of times where there's learning experiences and I have a lot of experience and I can talk on things.

Speaker 1 And hopefully they listen.

Speaker 4 But it's not necessarily like my job to make sure they listen to me. And, you know, hey, like, hopefully you have a really good relationship with the guys that are in the room.

Speaker 4 And you naturally want to do that. You know, but

Speaker 4 that's, yeah, that was a long-winded answer, but that's ultimately why I think you guys ask it. Just ask it.

Speaker 4 Here's the thing: because of what I just said, like, you're acting like I wouldn't want to be a mentor. And it's like, once again, it's not really about that.
It's just not the main focus.

Speaker 4 I see myself as a guy that can play in this league. So, if your main focus was just like, hey, but I'm going to get you ready, you're just not taking care of business.

Speaker 4 The best way to be a mentor, honestly, is like show people how you go to work, you know,

Speaker 4 and,

Speaker 4 like I said, hope that they pick up on that stuff, but not necessarily force them to pick up on the things that you do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you said he handled it perfectly. I think in the middle of that, a Dr.
Pepper Zero sugar exploded on my desk. So that's on me.
That's what you heard, a little bit of a reaction there.

Speaker 1 I tried to crack the top of one of these delightful

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You know, you get a little juice, but also some great flavor, and it exploded.

Speaker 1 I mean, because there's, I guess it's been rolling around down here for the last couple days.

Speaker 1 That's 100% on me, Age. We kind of interrupted what Joe Flacco was saying.
But yeah, whenever you talk about gospel, that feels like the perfect way to handle that situation.

Speaker 1 And I love, and I mentioned this in the first hour, that one of the reporters was like, on that note, yeah, let me ask about it. So you're not going to be a mentor.
Will you just tell us the answer?

Speaker 1 It's a tough position, especially in professional sports, AJ Hawk. And it feels like Joe just explained it perfectly for a lot of vets.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think he explained, and it helps out for people in the future because this will continue to get asked by vet quarterbacks whenever there's a younger quarterback that they think that I guess I don't know what people think a mentorship might look like from a starting quarterback or from a guy that has experience with someone else, but yeah, like Joe Joe said, like, hey, it's not, I can't make them listen to me, I can't make them do anything.

Speaker 7 They are, they're adults, but they can watch me if they want to see what the process is and what my process is and ask me questions. I will answer everything, I'm sure.

Speaker 7 Like, basically, they should say, Hey, are you going to be a dick to these young guys or not? And Joe is not going to be a dick to these guys.

Speaker 1 Did you have to do that for linebackers, Hawker?

Speaker 2 Like, was there anybody that you were kind of the season vet in the locker room for? And I assume you just didn't help them because you're a mute, but were there any points that you had to do that?

Speaker 7 No, I mean, there wasn't any time when I specifically

Speaker 7 felt like it was my duty or what I was supposed to do.

Speaker 7 But anytime you had, we had, I mean, especially a linebacker room, like you have guys coming in and out of that room weekly, like especially during the season, you're signing and trading guys away and getting rid of dudes all the time.

Speaker 7 So there's always new people in there. But yeah, I felt like the whole room was a very collaborative situation.

Speaker 7 If anyone ever asked you a question about what you should do or, hey, what are you looking at here on this play? Yeah, then you tell them exactly what you're looking at and give them some advice.

Speaker 7 Tell them, hey, when I got in the league, this is the old guy that I looked up to or I kind of bugged for, I bugged with, hey, how do you watch film? What do you do? What's your process?

Speaker 7 It's all that stuff. But it's not like, it's not something where they get, here you go, you are a mentor now.
You got to take this kid under your wing. Like, that doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 So everything you just said, like Adam Vinatieri for me, I just watched him. You know? Like, I just watched him ask him a question, not only on the field, off the field as well.

Speaker 1 Like, I think that is a big deal, handling a lot of things that come your way whenever you become a professional athlete. Now, granted, these younger guys experience it a lot earlier age.

Speaker 1 So maybe they have, you know, all the answers, which I assume they all feel like they did, do. And a lot of young guys feel that way to begin with going into the league.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, it's those who humble themselves that are willing to ask the questions. You know, you could try to be a coach or a mentor for some of these guys, and they might not listen anyways.

Speaker 1 So if you were to give effort into something that isn't your job, isn't what your legacy is going to be because you feel like you're doing right and then that person doesn't even listen it's like why why'd i spend any time away from my job to do that it's like vinatari i was so lucky to be able to watch him work and then through watching him work it's like oh i could probably apply that to me you know i could probably do that for my thing watching payton Peyton's nowhere near being apart.

Speaker 1 Watching him work. Dallas Clark, Gary Brackett, you go through that entire crew of people like watching them do their thing.

Speaker 1 Joseph Adai, I remember watching the way he got ready before a game one time, and I was like, oh, that's a good idea. I should probably

Speaker 1 something I should probably do. Like, those are the things you do.
And it's a coach's job to coach the strategy, the technique, the culture of the place. It's a player's job to be ready for it.

Speaker 1 But if you're an older player, obviously, you're going to be leaned upon in certain situations, especially from younger guys, if they're willing to ask. That's a big part of it.

Speaker 1 Willing participant in the entire mentor-mentee part of it, too, AJ.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think that's something I guess that a vet vet can do early on.

Speaker 7 Like, let without being a douche, let the dude know and be open with him and say, hey, like, if you, I don't want to sit here and give you a bunch of unsolicited advice.

Speaker 7 Like, you know, that you don't need that. You're already swimming.
You got a lot going on.

Speaker 7 But if you have any questions, feel free to ask me and I will tell you exactly how I feel about the situation. Like, I think that's more of what it really happens, I think.

Speaker 2 Well, and you guys have talked about like off the field, you know, after your first season where, you know, you have all this time for the first time in your life.

Speaker 2 And it's, you know, basically six months of stuff where you can do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 But when you do first come into the league, how much of that like game day preparation and pregame stuff, like how much does that actually change? Like, did you do the same stuff at West Virginia?

Speaker 2 Did you do the same stuff at Ohio State that you did in the league? Or was that just like a completely different than pregame routine?

Speaker 1 AJ, for me, it was vastly different because I kicked, punted, and kicked off at West Virginia. So I had to figure out what my new pre-game routine was.

Speaker 1 And also, the NFL pregame schedule is different than what college is. For me, I need field, you know, so when are the, when is the field open?

Speaker 1 I kind of had to figure that whole thing out through my pregame. So I was watching, figuring mine out as I got to the NFL.
I also didn't know how to punt, really.

Speaker 1 So I was also trying to figure that out as I went. So I was open to suggestions.
For you, is pregame warm-up normal? for linebackers?

Speaker 1 Because I know you guys go indie, you kind of do your warm-up hit thump drill, then you do like shell almost, it feels like. And then is that kind of the same everywhere?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's kind of a similar pregame situation, like when far as warm-ups, I think, at the linebacker position. But

Speaker 7 in the college, you don't have as much freedom. You know, when you get in the NFL, you have a little bit more freedom on when you show up, all of that stuff, when you can go out.

Speaker 7 But pregame, that's more also like you got to figure that out for yourself. Like, yeah, you can watch guys and see what they're doing, but you also need to do what works for you.

Speaker 7 Like, I didn't like going on the field ever before. I didn't ever want to go.
I hated like the pre-pregame.

Speaker 7 Now, you as a punter, like, you need to be out there, and quarterbacks are out there throwing to receivers, but linebackers, a lot of times, are out there just trying to get some good camera time.

Speaker 7 That's what they do in pre-pre-warm-ups, you know? And so

Speaker 7 I just hated warm-ups. I wanted to get to the game.

Speaker 1 Shirt off. We're jogging.
We're bopping. Headphones on.
That's the pre-pregame. There's a lot of camera time possibilities out there.
I almost murdered Tim Tebow during that time. Whoa.
Oh.

Speaker 1 That'd be a pretty sin. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 With the football? Uh-huh. Yeah, because that pre-pregame, that's when the field is most open.

Speaker 1 So, like, trying not to kill people is a big part of it, especially teammates and people that are playing in the game like you'd never want to be the like justin tucker situation travis kelse

Speaker 1 never want to be in that situation like that is not a situation you want to be in uh because you i don't know all trying to have respect here yes but granted when i was when i if i could hold a one that thing's going to go a lot further than i thought it was going to go tim tebow probably 75 80 yards away from me

Speaker 1 Far sideline. I'm in the back of the end zone, just kind of warming up, hitting a few, you know? My guy Sam's catching him, running all over the field.

Speaker 1 Great athlete, local football coach, became a ball boy, quick manager for the Colts a long time ago. Stuck around just to catch punts in warm-ups and at halftime because he was so good at it.

Speaker 1 Him and Pac-Man actually got into it one time because Pac-Man was trying to catch my punts in warm-ups, which is a great advantage. And I think it is illegal.
And he used to send elbows or whatever.

Speaker 1 But it's just me and that guy basically out on the field. And I hit, I catch, I mean, I caught one.
And that thing must have hit a jet stream. And that thing is going

Speaker 1 beelining for where Tim Tebow is doing some shit down the corner. My guy Sam's sprinting right at him.

Speaker 1 I mean it was almost like a full collision yelling like four like that's like it's like dolphin with a group in front of you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, even worse though because if he turns his head I mean we only got a few seconds. That's almost hit him.
Buzz the tower right next to him. I'm telling you that thing was tight.
I mean

Speaker 1 that's coming that would have been a good kill yes. That would have been a knockout.
That would have been a that would have been a full knockout. And it was Tim Tebow.

Speaker 1 And I just went to the other end and started punting back the other way. I I was like, we're good here.
I think I figured out what the win stream is, where we need to go.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that pre-pre-time is a lot of scattered people. And that was big for the kickers and punters.
That was when we got our time. Now, granted, that's an hour and a half before the game.

Speaker 1 So you know, you gotta stay warm. Yeah.
So, what the hell am I gonna do?

Speaker 7 Well, I gotta kick up. You gotta warm up again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, warm up again and again and again and again.

Speaker 1 You didn't like all the bullshit shenanigans beforehand, huh? You guys want to get this thumping.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like a 40-minute warm-up is just not, you know, especially when it's a game. it's game time.
Like, let's go play. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 Did you take first bus, second bus?

Speaker 7 On second bus, actually.

Speaker 1 Wow. I like to hear that.

Speaker 7 Because I didn't go out early. I didn't want to go out early.
I would get to the locker room, put my pants on right away, and then kind of sit there and do my thing.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about some of the changes that are happening around college football.

Speaker 1 We talked about Heather Dinich's tweet at the end of the first hour, how Lane Kiffen said, I don't want the automatic exemptions.

Speaker 1 So what? You won the Super Duper Cup and the Big Do. I don't care.
The Big Do Do. Sure.

Speaker 1 I want the best 16 teams in the tournament, period. I don't care about automatic qualifiers because you won your conference championship.

Speaker 1 If your conference stinks, you're the champion of those who stink. You're not supposed to be in the actual tournament.
Now, Lane, I appreciate you going to bat for this.

Speaker 1 I appreciate you saying this for your conference. I appreciate you saying this because you feel like Ole Miss should have been in last year.

Speaker 1 And if Ole Miss was in last year, I think Jackson Dartstock threw the roof even more going into the NFL draft and everything like that. The issue, Lane, the issue here is

Speaker 1 getting the 16 best teams. How are you going to figure that one out?

Speaker 1 How are you going to figure that one out?

Speaker 1 Especially now that we know that there's a chance that teams are built differently due to the climates in which they're going to have to play and the style of football in which they're going to have to play.

Speaker 1 A Big Ten team can't be built like an SEC team because it becomes negative 15 degrees. And you can't just have 4-2, 4-3, 4-4 everywhere.
You got to have some SUVs out there.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to play some tackle football. So how do you judge what team is better? You can't just go off of speed.
You can't just go off of size.

Speaker 1 You can't just go off of, you know, common opponents because everybody's going to lay an egg or two throughout an entire season. Even the champions lay an egg or two throughout the champions.

Speaker 1 So you can say, well, look how they played this week. Well, that was a bad week for them.
So how are you going to compare what a good week is, a bad week? Is this when they're playing their best?

Speaker 1 How often have they played their best? And are they going to be able to play in the cold, which you're going to have to do in a college football playoffs now, or you just run fast?

Speaker 1 If that game's in the south, I think Tennessee a little bit different than Ohio State.

Speaker 1 But you have to go battle against a team that has to be built like a bunch of SUVs, and all of a sudden something happens.

Speaker 1 So I think it's going to be impossible to figure out who the 16 best teams are, let alone the 12 or the four. So I think that's probably never going to happen.

Speaker 1 But to be clear, Lane, we all would like the 16 best teams. to be represented in the tournament.

Speaker 1 I just want to let Lane know, I apologize, I agree with what you're saying, but I'm sorry to say, I don't know if that's ever going to be possible.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's ever going to be possible, especially with all the factors that can come into play into all the different arguments, because everybody truly believes what they're saying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everybody. Oh, yeah.
Everybody. And it's like, how do you find that out? I guess you got to put some parameters on it.
You win your championship, you get in. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 You're one of the 16 best teams in the country if you win your tournament or whatever.

Speaker 4 There's a ton of talk right now, and a lot of it's because of SEC Media Days, and a lot of the SEC coaches and Commissioner Senke is talking a lot right now.

Speaker 4 There's talk like where there's going to be four automatics for the SEC and Big Ten and then two for

Speaker 4 Big 12 and ACC and then the next four or whatever.

Speaker 4 And then there's a five plus 11 model which seems to be catching a lot of steam where it'll be the five highest conference or the five conference champions.

Speaker 4 They automatically get in and then the next 11 at large. That one seems to be like it's catching a lot.
Feels like it's going to go to 16. I know it was supposed to go to 14 or whatever.

Speaker 2 It feels like it's going to go straight to 16 yeah but the five plus 11 uh is getting the most momentum right now we we need a no boo-hoo roll rule okay and everything i'm yeah and everything but especially this because guess what's gonna happen when we go to 14 hey we were ranked 16th we should have been ranked 14th we should have been in when we go to 16 i that march madness thing really grinds my gears maintain

Speaker 2 i think it's transferring over now to the college football playoff because i mean when's it going to stop because guess what okay

Speaker 1 There's three good teams.

Speaker 2 There's three good teams. Shut up and win your games, okay?

Speaker 1 Oregon. Three great teams.
Sorry, three great teams. There's three great teams.

Speaker 2 It goes to the Super Bowl conversation we have in the NFL. Hey, there's about, you know, there's 32 teams in this league.
And at the beginning of the season, all 32 can win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 No, not true. There's eight teams that can usually win the Super Bowl every year.
10, maybe, if it's a great year. College football is very similar, if not even smaller.

Speaker 2 Like every year in college football, Indiana, that story is awesome. And I loved every second of it.
Game day at Bloomington was one of my favorite days of the year.

Speaker 2 Getting to watch that environment, seeing the photos from the year before to what it was last year, that transition, so cool.

Speaker 2 But at no point throughout the season was Indiana a real contender to win the college football playoff. I'm sorry.
I don't want it to be true. I think the Indiana football losers are.

Speaker 1 They had Ohio State in that first quarter. They dropped a punt.
They fumbled on a special team play.

Speaker 1 They had you guys on ropes and a horseshoe.

Speaker 7 They played a football game. Yeah, football plays happened in that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. And then

Speaker 1 what happened?

Speaker 2 The five stars that they have on special teams, this was the conversation after the game.

Speaker 2 The five stars they have on special teams are much better than the Jimmies and Joe's, me and Ty, on kickoff and on punt team.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's why Caleb Downs ran it back untouched without anybody even near him.

Speaker 1 So the whole entire like, hey, we need to keep expanding.

Speaker 2 Hey, we need to fix the ranking. If Ohio State State was ranked 12th last year, they would have went on to win the college football playoff.

Speaker 2 Now, if they lose a few more games and they don't make the college football playoff, and Ohio State people are bitching, hey, our schedule was harder. We would have won the college football playoff.

Speaker 2 Maybe win your games. Hey, shut up and win your games.
And that should be the message that Lane Kiffen.

Speaker 1 I love Lane Kiffen.

Speaker 2 I think the Lane Kiffen thing with Fine Bomb is comedy.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's passed it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, passed it, but he still won't share his real thoughts on the Fine Bomb show. So awesome.
I think it's the coolest thing ever. I think more coaches need to do it.

Speaker 2 Kirby Smart, the way he handled it as well, unbelievable. So amazing.
He's just sending all of that beef to his own players. But when it comes to the, hey, the bubble teams, they're going to be mad.

Speaker 2 They go to 14.

Speaker 1 Well, the SEC is saying it's impossible for us to win all our games. Everybody wants us to win our games, win our games, win our games.
Come play the schedule.

Speaker 1 We got to play and come win your games, win your games, win your games.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Laley Kiffen, guess what? It's not impossible to beat Kentucky at home.

Speaker 1 It's not impossible to beat

Speaker 1 to beat Florida on the road. But that's the thing that they, so you listen to Sabin, Coach Sabin, talk about what the coaches are saying.

Speaker 1 It's like some of these teams are going to lay an egg some weeks. Like, that's going to happen.
In the SEC, you lay an egg. They're saying you play.
Vanderbilt could even get you.

Speaker 1 They were good this year. Yeah, that's what they're talking about.
I know that.

Speaker 2 I know that's what they're talking about.

Speaker 1 But dang gumming, I don't care. Go out and win your damn games, all right? Don't lay an egg.

Speaker 2 You know what separates the good from the great?

Speaker 1 The amount of eggs laid. Bango.
Ohio State laid two.

Speaker 1 Yep. Oregon, Michigan.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, they played pretty good at Oregon, you know. I don't even know if you could say that's, because that loss, I don't think, hurt, like, the Michigan one for sure.

Speaker 5 I don't know if the Oregon loss really like hurt them that much.

Speaker 1 I guess it just hurt the conversation about Will Hired. Yes.
That's what I'll say. Will Hirard's been put on show, I heard.
Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh, boy, is he?

Speaker 4 We don't need to get it right now.

Speaker 1 But, like,

Speaker 1 we don't need to get that. Yeah, but Will Howard also.

Speaker 2 I mean, he knows where the steel is.

Speaker 1 But Will there,

Speaker 4 now that the seating has changed, and it's not.

Speaker 1 Joy Taylor is a Pittsburgh girl. People forget about that.
She's from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 She's a Steelers fan.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to get him going.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people going to Joy Taylor. Joy Taylor's like, what are we doing here? We're the Pittsburgh Steelers.
She's from Pittsburgh. Same high school as my mom, actually.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 W-U.

Speaker 1 She O-O-D-U-Y.

Speaker 1 Woody high. Same high school with Gronkowski.
Obviously, Jason Taylor. Like, that is a

Speaker 1 she's a Steelers fan. So like, I saw a lot of people be like,

Speaker 1 he's not even on team, Joy. Joy's like, I know.
Why are we acting? What's the entire. So we don't even get in that.
But Will Harnes, he does know where his movies are. Yes, he does.

Speaker 1 He does.

Speaker 4 He knows where everything already is in Pittsburgh. But to that point, Ohio State 1 is an eighth seed.

Speaker 4 But now, since the rankings are, it's just going to be ranked by where you are by the committee, one through 12 or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 It's not going to be, hey, you're going to be the 13th ranked team, but get a bye because you won your conference championship. Will an eighth seed or lower ever win again? It's a good question.

Speaker 4 Probably not.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 everything's changing.

Speaker 1 Everything's evolving. Yeah.
Good luck to all parties making it great. Whoever solves the college sports thing 10, 15 years from now, congratulations.

Speaker 2 Elon Musk love a little smart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know who that person is. In Senke,

Speaker 1 as we wrap up this college sports conversation, Greg Senke at SEC Media Sessions, I don't know if you heard his response to the Big 12 and the ACC putting out press releases basically at the same time saying, we're worried about the good of the game.

Speaker 1 And Nsenki goes, I don't need lectures from others about the good of the game, okay? Or coordinating press releases about the good of the game.

Speaker 1 Amongst other things, he said, There is, I need answers, okay? I don't need more problems. And whenever you talk about good of the game, it's like, do you know how much we invest in football?

Speaker 1 Go to the game. Do you know how much we love football? Good of the game.
Do you know how much we have given to football? Good of the game. I don't need to hear this nonsense about good.

Speaker 1 You don't think we care about the good of football?

Speaker 1 Football is our religion down here.

Speaker 1 So I love it, Sankey, starting to be like

Speaker 1 enough. Because now you're going to start seeing

Speaker 1 Petiti, Big Ten,

Speaker 1 Sankey start taking a little bit.

Speaker 7 It's all good. It's all good for football.
I think it's great for football.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to start taking a little bit more ownership, though. And I think that's naturally happening with the way the contract was signed over the next couple of years too.

Speaker 1 And it's like, if Petiti and Sankey are to take on college sports, it's like, I think that's not

Speaker 1 a bad duo to be doing it. And this is coming from a guy whose school is in the Big 12.
It's like those two seemingly figure things out.

Speaker 1 And those two seemingly make sure people are invested in the sport that we love. All right, let's move forward.
Hockey has one team already clinched in the Stanley Cup finals.

Speaker 1 Congrats to the Florida Panthers. Three straight finals.
Now, who will they play? Will it be the Oilers or the Stars?

Speaker 1 The Oilers have a chance to end this Western Conference final tonight, starting at 8 p.m. on ESPN.
Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a guy who won three straight Stanley Cups. One with St.

Speaker 1 Louis, two with Tampa Bay. He's called the Big Rig because he's big and he hits you like a truck, hell yeah.
Ladies and gentlemen, Patty Marie. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Patty.

Speaker 1 What's up, boys? How you doing, brother? Do you know much about college sports? Did you catch the tail end of what we were talking about there? It's chaos there, brother.

Speaker 14 I don't know nothing about college football. I watch it a little bit because I'm a big fan of football, but

Speaker 14 I don't know nothing about what's going on with the seating and all that stuff.

Speaker 14 Seems like it's a headache.

Speaker 1 Yeah, quite a headache, I think, is a good way to describe it. And then it's not just the seatings.
It's NIL. There's a bunch of money coming out of pockets and nobody knows.

Speaker 1 And teams are, I mean, it is

Speaker 1 chaos, but the sport itself is wonderful, as is the sport that you obviously played and still play at a very high level. Patty, let's talk about tonight.

Speaker 1 Do we think Connor McGee's and the boys punched their ticket to the Stanley Cup finals? You think Otter stands on his head tonight? Gumpy seemingly believes that the stars tonight are a luck.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on tonight's game? What should we be looking for, Pat?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I think tonight, I think Dallas takes

Speaker 14 game five tonight. I think,

Speaker 14 you know, with Connor, with Connor and Leon, I know Hyman just got hurt. That's a big loss for Edmonton.
So they got to fill some holes there. And they've been doing a great job with depth.

Speaker 14 But I think

Speaker 14 Otters got the net tonight. I think Dallas still is game six.
You know, they've been playing great.

Speaker 14 You know, they, I thought, dominated the first period in game four, but Edmonton comes out of the first period up 2-1.

Speaker 14 So, I mean, but Edmonton is playing a sound game hockey right now. They're playing stingy hockey.
So, you never know, though.

Speaker 14 You know, it seems like they're playing great hockey on the road, but the one thing I'm concerned about with Edmonton right now, their power play on the road hasn't been that good.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I might have misheard you, but I think you just said Dallas wins this one. Steals game six.
You think this is going seven-game series?

Speaker 1 Is that good for the Panthers or not good for the Panthers at this stage to have the amount of rest that they're going to have? Seemingly good, right? But I guess the convo goes both ways.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it does.

Speaker 14 I think Florida with some rest.

Speaker 14 You can can see uh reinhardt and got hurt he got pretty banged up there some guys banged up in florida against the carolina series so i think some rest is a weapon right now for them uh it would be fun to see the rematch so i got some guys and friends over in edmonton right now that love to see stanley cup uh so i think the rematch would be great for the game go ahead aj Speaking of that rematch, let's say Edmonton closes this thing out and we see a rematch.

Speaker 7 For Edmonton fans, what do you think is going to be the plan for this team? I guess if you're watching Edmonton,

Speaker 7 how is this going to be different than last year? What can Edmonton do to find a way to beat the Panthers in the finals if they get there?

Speaker 14 I think one, for me, you know, going through that tough loss. You know, Florida was a year before, you know, going through that tough loss, losing Kachuck.

Speaker 14 You know, they're key players, losing to Vegas. But I think they're experienced now.
They have more experience. They have more depth.
I think for me, they're a well-rounded team more.

Speaker 14 They're not just relying on Connor and Leon to do all the dirty work so

Speaker 14 I think for Edmonton to you know close out this series and go against Florida Florida plays a simple brand of hockey it's north-south get it out get it in you know back down your throat kind of hockey so they have to stay patient you know Florida is going to stay patient through a seven-game series they're not going to be you know doing anything crazy they're going to be stingy so Edmonton's got to be careful managing the puck doing the little things that's going to make them effective so

Speaker 14 you know I want to see the matchup because I like some guys over at Edmonton, and I hope they can have an opportunity, you know, get that Stanley Cup over their shoulder.

Speaker 14 So it's going to be a hard series for them, you know, both teams. It just seems like Florida right now is a well-rounded oil machine and they just don't quit.

Speaker 14 No matter who's in their lineup or who's hurt, they find ways to get it done.

Speaker 14 It's not a pretty brand of hockey. It's just simple brand.
So

Speaker 14 it's going to be hard to beat them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Gumpy back there saying, yeah keep talking about the oilers yeah yeah the oilers oilers he thinks the star is about to have mount a comeback don't you think gump it's not dead they're not dead yet just need ratnan to turn into superman again and stew skin to go back to who stooskin really is stew skin's on a little bit of a heater

Speaker 1 we can't beat him the oil you can see the puck can he hey you went to three straight standing cup finals obviously won them uh the panthers now three straight they're looking to go back to back wear and tear at this stage everybody's tired is that just kind of the thought or is three extended seasons something that can't catch up to everybody?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, you need bounces too. I mean, you're going to be tired at times, but I think when you go through these deep runs, the most importantly thing, everyone's kind of healthy.

Speaker 14 You'll have wear and tear on your body, but the more you keep competing, they got some, like I said before on the show, they got some new pieces at the deadline.

Speaker 14 They're kind of amping them up a little bit.

Speaker 14 bring some energy back in that locker room. And

Speaker 14 when we went back in tampa for our third straight and we lost to colorado we just ran right into injuries you know we lost braden point we lost we lost uh anthony sorelli but eventually it's going to catch up to you but it seems like florida right now is just they're all healthy they're running gun right now they're playing great hockey they have their goaltender which is the most important thing you need a goaltender to move forward and uh he's stepping up when he needs to but They're a well-ordered machine, like I said before.

Speaker 14 I mean, they're just, it seems like they just don't give up. They're dogs.
they're like dogs in a bone right now, and it's it's fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Bob's a dog as well. And in between the pipes, obviously, they're ready and excited to win another one.

Speaker 1 They bring a guy in mid-season who has championship pedigree and seemingly fits them perfectly. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Patty, Brad Marchan has fit right in with the boys on the ice and off the ice.

Speaker 4 It feels like I've seen the new tradition now where after every win, they're just shooting rats at Marshi, Kachuk, and Barkey. They're doing it.

Speaker 4 Is that something that just happens every long playoff run? And I know hockey players are very superstitious. Is this something that just is something that's a part of the hockey culture?

Speaker 14 I would say it's part of the hockey culture, and everyone's superstitious in hockey, especially during the playoff run, especially when you go on a deep run. You'll find things like that.

Speaker 14 That Marshi, he's a big goofball, man. He's a great guy, and this is the shit he does.

Speaker 14 For me, I think it's all superstitious, especially when you keep rolling in the playoffs. Everyone's got a weird routine.
They probably have something with another player or multiple players.

Speaker 14 So hockey players dive deep into that superstition thing during a long deep run. We're some weirdos, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, feels like you guys are around each other a lot. You know, have to get along.
Feels like that team certainly does that. What a tradition, just getting rats.
Kind of just rattled off at you.

Speaker 1 Bang, bang, pow, get out of here. What a great group.
What a tough group. I mean, legit, an absolute tough group.
They just had their way with the Kanes.

Speaker 1 Kanes had one game there where they played how we thought they were going to play. Everything else was kind of a disaster.
Go ahead, Connor.

Speaker 2 Yeah, big red. It feels like it's the same story with the Kanes every year.
Brendan Moore and them have a great regular season. This year is kind of weird with the whole ranting in trade.

Speaker 2 But how do they get over the hump?

Speaker 2 You know, it's hard to make changes to a team when you go to the conference finals, but they've lost, I forget what it was, one in 16 in their last few conference finals.

Speaker 2 How can a team get over the hump? How kind of devastating is it to lose like this again, especially when it comes to the Florida Panthers?

Speaker 2 And are they strictly going to build their team now to compete with Florida? Or what do they do this offseason to maybe make a real run at the Stanley Cup next year?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me is what Florida had and like...

Speaker 14 What Tampa, Vegas,

Speaker 14 they're just bigger, stronger. They're fast.
They're heavy in your face. It's kind of that prick mentality, always in your face.

Speaker 14 And it just seems like Carolina doesn't really have that pushback that a lot of teams do.

Speaker 14 And that's what they've been running into trouble with, you know, the last couple years in the conference finals. They don't have that.

Speaker 14 I don't know. They just, it seems to me they have to add those gamers, those game changers that can push push them over the edge.
It seems like they don't have that right now.

Speaker 14 They don't have any dogs to like really get them where they need to be.

Speaker 14 I don't know if it's on the coaching staff or it's to me, do they need to change their system up, their D-zone up? Because they do play a man-o-man situation. As you can see, you know,

Speaker 14 Olaf's got him right there, and then Robinson kind of cheats. So they're playing a man-o-man situation there.

Speaker 14 So when you have that, that's his guy, that's his guy, and then all of a sudden a breakdown happens, and then it's in the back of your net, right?

Speaker 14 So maybe they have to change that up a little bit because they can get up, eat up a lot on that. Man-on-man teams are, you can kind of get create some offense with that.

Speaker 14 So, but I think just more depth, more toughness, they can create more,

Speaker 14 you know, they have the zone time, they have the shot volume, but I think guys that can hold on to the puck, you know, guys that can change the game a little bit, change the series of a game too.

Speaker 14 So, uh, it's going to be an interesting offseason for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you talk to people down there in Florida, they think they're the state of hockey. Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Patty, are you kind of surprised when you look at the success that the lightning had and then now obviously the panthers like we saw the panthers have a beautiful new facility no state income tax in florida like is it is it kind of crazy that florida has kind of become the the epicenter of like the hockey world and do you anticipate that it's going to stay like this for a while

Speaker 14 yeah i mean the no state income tax is obviously a game changer for a lot of players now in nhl um

Speaker 14 Obviously, Vegas and now Florida and now Florida is going back. And

Speaker 14 you can probably get some guys on a nice deal. But, you know, wherever, if they're going to Toronto and they're making $12 million, they might as well just take eight and Florida.

Speaker 14 So I think Florida is going to be the new hotbed, especially in the NHL. Everyone's going to want to play in Fort Lauderdale or Sunrise, Florida.
Everyone's going to want to come to Tampa.

Speaker 14 It's great living. Families, you can raise families there.

Speaker 14 And look at what they're doing now. I mean, look what the Panthers are doing.
Look what Tampa did. I mean, it's just everyone wants to be a part of it now, especially winning cultures.

Speaker 14 I think what you build in a locker room is the biggest thing for me. I think everyone's building that now, and everyone's seeing it.

Speaker 14 And everyone's kind of got away from the toughness, and Florida went back to it. And now, look what they're doing.

Speaker 14 So it's just a weird thing now. You know, some team wins the Stanley Cup, it's speed, speed, speed.

Speaker 14 And then when a team wins with toughness and grinders and guys that just are dogs, then it goes back to it. So it's like, it's a weird situation on that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to ask you, because the Pittsburgh Penguins are in a spot right now where we got to flip our entire team. Can you flip a culture?

Speaker 1 Can you get a culture back? Like,

Speaker 1 obviously, Tampa was able to do it quickly. And then the stat about them going to three straight Stanley Cup finals being a team that hadn't made it for the 25 years prior.

Speaker 1 Like, what you said culture.

Speaker 1 In hockey, with the way the contracts are set up and the way free agency is kind of limited and the way the draft is and everything like that, is it easy to just flip a culture?

Speaker 1 How does that go about happening, you think, as somebody that's been around a lot of great hockey cultures?

Speaker 14 Well, I mean, no, it's not a, it's you're not going to switch a flip like that. I mean, it's going to be hard for them because

Speaker 14 to me, it takes time.

Speaker 14 It takes time. It takes pieces.
It takes key guys that maybe won before kind of can set the standard to everyone else that they're around.

Speaker 14 And it also starts with good guys, good teammates. You don't want any bad apples in your locker room either.

Speaker 14 You know, you want to weed those guys out that are probably distracting your locker room and that guys are probably annoyed with. So you want to try to find, there's a fine line with that.

Speaker 14 So to me, you got to continue way. Like with Pittsburgh, they got a culture.
They got the best player, Sidney Crosby. They got Malcolm.
They got Lataine.

Speaker 14 They got the pieces to kind of, you know, pass a torch here in the next, hopefully five years.

Speaker 14 Hopefully Crosby plays for a long time and Malkin and all those guys, but they already have a culture there. You know, they already know what they built on.
You know, Crosby's 1-3. So they have it.

Speaker 14 You know, it's just now working in and entering the pieces that are going to fit their culture and, you know, perform on on the ice.

Speaker 14 But culture takes a long time because you lose people, you lose free agents, and then you have to build it back up again.

Speaker 14 And it seems like to me, the teams that are hanging on and doing the most are the guys that just hang around their teams the most and not going to free agency, signing with the team that they're just with.

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 14 and that's how you continue to build this thing. And that's why Pittsburgh was so good.
And then you just kind of add the pieces. that you need that are going to get you over the hump.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 when you think of the Florida Panthers, you just think, that's their culture.

Speaker 1 And then they get Marshawn in there. And then for your Tampa Bay team, the run, you guys thought the same things.
Like, hey, they're big, they're fast.

Speaker 1 Whenever you have a culture that's nationally recognized, I think that's what you're shooting for. Yeah.
Especially for a good one, not an ass one. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't want to be done for an ass culture. That's not good at all.
You talked about Florida with no state income tax being quite a treat. And Kachuk told us, it's nice to go to golf too.

Speaker 1 I mean, just got a beach here, too. I go to the beach, got the whole thing.
I'm like, maybe you're going to get too soft. Don't worry about that.
We're hockey players. We'll be able to handle it all.

Speaker 1 How's that heat, though? Tampa was a thousand degrees.

Speaker 1 Tampa was a thousand degrees this past weekend. You guys just hibernate inside?

Speaker 1 How do you deal with that as a new Florida man, legitimately?

Speaker 14 I'm on my patio right now, sweating my

Speaker 14 off right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I don't know.
I don't know what you're sweating off.

Speaker 14 I'm dying.

Speaker 14 I might go jump in the pool right now. But I think with like Florida too, like we saw them driving their golf carts to the practice rink.
Like, I mean, it's just fun living. We have golf carts here.

Speaker 14 We all live on this island where you can drive around the golf carts, and there's restaurants and there's bars. There's everything around.

Speaker 1 We live there too. Yeah,

Speaker 1 we lived on that island as well. Yeah, we know.

Speaker 14 It's just easy living. I think that's what attracts players, too.
You know what I mean? Families with kids and school districts. I mean, it just.
Obviously, state income tax, you're making more money.

Speaker 14 But I think, yeah, that's what it's just easy living for them. and you can see that they're having fun driving their golf cart to work every day.

Speaker 14 I mean, that's you got to be enjoying life a little bit with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you would think the elbow room would do too much damage to a team, but instead of somehow empowering these boys, I don't know what that's all about.

Speaker 1 Connor, elbow room, yeah, what a place.

Speaker 1 Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, big rick. You mentioned having friends on Edmonton and Corey Perry, I think you played with in Tampa when you were trying to three-pete.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure how many straight, but if he doesn't win the Stanley Cup this year, do you think the NHL will just carve a ring in his name because it feels like he's never going to quit until he wins one?

Speaker 2 And it feels like every single year he's losing the Stanley Cup final in devastating fashion.

Speaker 14 I know that's the one person. I got the chance to, as a rookie, get to play with him in Anaheim.

Speaker 14 Just a true competitor. A guy loves a game of hockey, treats his body like a temple.
And he's still playing at a high level at 40 years old, which is really impressive.

Speaker 14 And, you know, he's the type of guy that can help that Edmonton, that Edmonton's locker room right now.

Speaker 14 He brings that energy, that passion, that leadership that, you know, they were probably missing there.

Speaker 14 And that, you know, obviously devastating loss for those guys, but I can see Paris kind of pushing that team. That's the type of guy you want, building your culture, got to understand him.

Speaker 14 He's won before. He's been in the league for 20 years.

Speaker 14 But I'm pulling for him right now, man. I truly believe I need Corey Perry to lift that Stanley Cup because

Speaker 14 beating him when we were in Tampa, when he was Montreal, and then watching him lose with us. I mean, I beat him twice, Dallas and Montreal, and then he came to Tampa and lost.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 14 And then it's just a devastating. So I need that guy to

Speaker 14 retire a happy man.

Speaker 1 He needs one more seat. How many beers, Perry, be able to house? You think? You think he's been waiting for that glorious Lord Stanley Chug? Maybe he takes down all seven.
He could.

Speaker 1 Maybe he fills that thing to the brim and takes it down to the down the hatch.

Speaker 14 And he's for sure taking home a case or maybe more. And you can funnel in a couple shots.
Maybe some champagne, too.

Speaker 1 You guys putting shots in the top of Stanley and Lord Stanley?

Speaker 14 No, but I'm just saying you might mix in a shot here and there and then drink out of it. But yeah, we've mixed a lot of vodka in there and a lot of champagne.
So, you know, you got to do it all.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we got like a vodka soda up there in the top of that thing?

Speaker 14 No, just like straight vodka.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 Russians. A lot of Russians.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I forgot about it. Yeah.
I forgot about the culture, the Russian culture, maybe with the vodka straight to the head for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And oh, yeah, we won the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 Take it out of Lord Stanley's top gun.

Speaker 4 To add on to that, I saw an insane Corey Perry graphic on the internet. Oh, there it is.
Yeah, right there.

Speaker 4 Since 2000, 230 playoff games.

Speaker 1 Who's there?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is that the Pittsburgh Pennsylvania?

Speaker 14 That's a crazy stat. I mean, guy.

Speaker 1 Get the guy a cup.

Speaker 14 I mean, get the guy a cup. That's for sure.

Speaker 14 He's performing at the best. I've ever seen him at 40, and he just needs it.

Speaker 14 He's playing great hockey, and I just need to see that guy. And I just want to go to his cup party.
I want to drag his coattails.

Speaker 1 Yeah, nice little public

Speaker 1 call for him. I hope he wins.

Speaker 1 I also hope some other guys win. I hope everybody wins.
You know, I'm on your side. I'm on TV now.

Speaker 1 Thanks for coming through Monday Night Raw on Monday. That was good to see you.

Speaker 14 Hey, thanks for having me, Pat. That was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I've never,

Speaker 14 my son was having so much fun that night. Uh, it was a blast, man.
It's so entertaining. I think it's the best sporting event we got going on right now.

Speaker 1 How old's the boy?

Speaker 7 16.

Speaker 1 He's a big lad.

Speaker 2 So, Lil Rig's a big rig.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Lil Rig is becoming a big rig, I believe. I don't know how long he's been that.
He was a large lad, handshake, too. We're talking mets, mets, and this entire thing.
It's insane, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Tom Segora, who at at one point in his life, like five, six years ago, buried wrestling as a whole, had never been to a wrestling event, buried wrestling as a whole. I can't get it.

Speaker 1 On Monday was his first time at a wrestling event. I got a text from him afterwards.
I was like, that was the most insane thing I've ever been a part of. He was like, I had so much fun or whatever.

Speaker 1 You go to one of these things. It is madness.
Absolute madness. A madhouse.
It's madness. Yeah.
It's madness.

Speaker 14 Yeah. I know Tom was telling me the story because I was sitting right next to him.

Speaker 14 He's like, I think WWE hates me. But he's like, I love it right now.

Speaker 1 I think he had a good time. I think he did great out there.
Bert, obviously, has been a couple of times. He chokeslamed somebody the last time he won.
Walk a flock of flame. Sure.
That was awesome.

Speaker 1 Was there. That was insane.

Speaker 1 It was a cool night in Tampa. And you've been great on our show.
We appreciate the hell out of you, Patty.

Speaker 14 Hey, thanks. You've been great to meet.
So thank you guys. I appreciate it.
You like it? I got to come in the studio.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you backed out on us because you got a newborn.

Speaker 1 yeah grow up yeah i don't know but we gotta grow up i'll go tell my wife patty baron

Speaker 1 yeah he came to monday night raw with his boy and uh it was good to see him he's big big yeah big i was like i turned around how old because like i shook his hand it was when i came out so i'm in the middle of a bunch of stuff like to get to coal good to see you good to see you tom's there boom boom i don't think walka had got there yet but i was sitting down the lights were going off and i think to myself like who was with

Speaker 1 Pat and he turned around I'm like how old is that thing he's like 16 or whatever I'm like Jesus he is huge he is a large man I want to I assume he plays hockey probably has to feels like he plays hockey if I had to guess we should have asked him about the international super duper cup yeah we'll get to it at the United States of America one do you remember that AJ yep yes I do everybody remembers yeah how could you forget

Speaker 7 Everybody saw it, saw it live.

Speaker 1 I mean, I watched the Super Duper Cup. I also watched Jalen Ramsey basically put out to the world that he's he's going to be playing for a different team.

Speaker 1 He put out a series of tweets that basically said, you know, the false narrative is either lame or funny. Don't let it phase you.
Wish well and blessings among them all anyways.

Speaker 1 This for anyone who needs it, by the way, finish the week strong. Love y'all for real.
Didn't need that. I did need that.
I appreciate you, Jalen.

Speaker 1 And then he says, I'm grateful for each and every chapter so far. Every part brought me to a greater version of myself.
Regardless of how things ended, the journey has been love. God is the greatest.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Jacksonville, Los Angeles. Now he's at Miami.
For the record, by the way, I've loved every city I've played in and the fans who supported.

Speaker 1 The anger is very misplaced at times, but sometimes valid too. I understand that.
But real ones, though, the intention is always solid. A new chapter awaits.

Speaker 1 He said, you know, the anger that is sometimes had with me for whatever reason, misplaced? Sometimes... I get it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I might not have been perfect, but it feels like he thinks he's moving on for the Miami Dolphins. Miami Dolphins seemingly think he's moving on for the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 1 But if you listen to Schraeger talk to us yesterday and then other reports,

Speaker 1 his price tag, 25, 20 million or whatever it is, is going to be a hang-up for a lot of these negotiations. There has to be a lot of teams that are interested in Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 1 How interested are they at this point of the entire calendar, plus trying to figure out maybe deals with their own guys before training camp? How many teams have 15, 20 million available this year?

Speaker 1 I wonder what the move will actually be here for Jalen Ramsey. And inevitably, does he stay with the Miami Dolphins because he can't go anywhere else? Doesn't sound like that's in his plans.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it doesn't sound like that at all.

Speaker 2 It feels like this is going to be one of those situations where Jalen Ramsey is going to get traded for like a fifth round pick, and every single team is going to be wondering why.

Speaker 2 How does it work with the...

Speaker 1 And he gets traded because they're picking up his contract.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. So could you offer a higher price so that, you know, say there's two teams competing, like, hey, we'll actually give you a third, but you have to...

Speaker 1 Miami has to pay? Yeah, you should eat it. That's all a part of the contract negotiation.
I mean, that goes back to the Denver Broncos situation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, where the Denver was just saying, we'll pay all this to get them out of here.

Speaker 1 You know, and then there's other times Jared Goff was traded to the Detroit Lions because his contract was so big, nobody else would take his contract.

Speaker 1 The reason why they got so much in return is because they took Jared Goff's contract with how big it was at the time.

Speaker 1 They have since given him a much larger contract to eat up the salary cap because how much success it is.

Speaker 1 But the negotiation of who picks up to tab is certainly a big part of veteran free agent trade or veteran trade.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because there's been since

Speaker 4 Aaron has not signed with the Steelers, there's been a lot of speculation about Kirk Cousins, and a lot of the articles and stuff like that are all talking about how the Falcons have not been willing to pick up any of his salary for the next season if he is to be traded.

Speaker 4 So that's potentially why he also has not been traded yet.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't want to bring it up,

Speaker 1 but I'm bringing it up. Go ahead.
Okay. Yeah, fuck that guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I mean, who are you talking about? Who are you? I'm talking about John Cougar Mellon camp. I'm not talking about that.

Speaker 1 I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about that.
I am. I'm not talking about John Mellon.
Shout out to John Mellon, Kim. He can feel however you want.
Pink hats. Yeah.
You and me. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I read that wrong. Yeah.
I was talking about Aaron. I was going to ask him about Aaron.
I was going to ask him about Aaron Rodgers. That's what I was going to do.

Speaker 1 I mean, because I thought you sent... Yeah.
I'm like, whoa. Tony.
To Aaron.

Speaker 1 Are you feeling the same way as some Pittsburgh Steelers fans are feeling about how, hey, we're the Pittsburgh Steelers, Bub. You're treating us like we're the Sacramento Cardinals.

Speaker 1 You know, like, that is how some Pittsburgh Steelers fans are acting. And some Pittsburgh Steelers fans, I think Joy Taylor gave a good indication of this.

Speaker 1 Some Pittsburgh Steelers fans are like, hey, Pittsburgh Steelers, what are you doing? We're waiting around for a guy? We're just waiting around for a guy that our quarterback position.

Speaker 1 We're the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like that is how a lot of people in Pittsburgh feel that this is kind of all ridiculous at this point.

Speaker 1 Because everybody that speaks about the Pittsburgh Steelers says Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback. He is not on a contract.
He is not signed with the team.

Speaker 1 He has not said he's going to play next year.

Speaker 1 But everybody, including insiders, reporters, journalists, I think we even kind of just assume that it's a foregone conclusion, but it's definitely not a guarantee.

Speaker 1 How should that conversation go, you think, AJ?

Speaker 1 Because I think a lot of people forget that he has not come out and said he wants to play for the Pittsburgh Steelers, has not come out and signed a deal to be with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 There's been really nothing from that front about, hey, yeah, he's a Steeler, but that's how everybody's just kind of treating it. He's just on vacation.
He's doing a rum springer.

Speaker 1 You know, he was just kind of living his life right now, taking care of the people in his circle. He's going to Mike Studd concerts.
He's shooting water guns. He's doing interviews.

Speaker 1 He's talking to Rogue. He's going to be a Steeler, though.
That's how all the insiders are talking about it.

Speaker 1 And Pittsburgh Steelers fans are like, well, we're sick of fucking seeing him squat water guns because the rest of the Pittsburgh Steelers are trying to figure out how to win a fucking game.

Speaker 1 That is how Pittsburgh Steelers fans feel.

Speaker 4 I couldn't have said any better.

Speaker 1 Right? That is literally how you guys think.

Speaker 1 Okay, but that's not Aaron's fault. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 no, it's not

Speaker 1 Aaron, you're right, I guess, could have come outfront at the beginning to everybody, even on our show. He's coming out.

Speaker 1 I'm not, I'm not going to be able to go to OTAs, whether it's because of want or not being able to, because of other things going on in his life.

Speaker 1 So, I don't want to do the whole song and dance that happened last year whenever I missed two days out of a hundred days worth of work, and it became this massive ordeal.

Speaker 1 So, it's a very, it's an interesting dynamic that is currently taking place with one of the most storied franchises in professional sports history, one of the most die-hard loyal city fan groups, and then one of the greatest football players of all time, all kind of coming to a head.

Speaker 1 And I don't think anybody really knows the answer, AJ, about what's going to happen, but everybody assumes the same thing that he's going to be their quarterback. How do you feel about it, AJ?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I guess we all do, like, just naturally assume that he's going to sign with Pittsburgh, but everyone just... doesn't know when that might be.
But what if he doesn't?

Speaker 7 What if he doesn't play football this next year?

Speaker 1 Exactly, which I think is still possible, right? Isn't that still possible?

Speaker 7 I think everything is on the table. Like anything is possible, no question, especially with Aaron.
You know that.

Speaker 7 But, like, he never, has he given us any indication that Pittsburgh is where he wants to go? Kind of.

Speaker 1 Or where he could go.

Speaker 5 I mean, he. It's kind of the only spot left.

Speaker 1 He did that

Speaker 4 thing or whatever he was doing up on stage this weekend in front of people, answering questions and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 And he said somewhere along the lines of, like, he could go to a team that would play the Chicago Bears because he was asked if he would ever play for the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 4 And he kind of hinted at the Steelers a few times.

Speaker 1 I mean, he met with them. He went there in the white Malibu.

Speaker 2 like that entire thing.

Speaker 4 He found his way to the facility somehow. I'm not sure how he did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he didn't do it. He was doing some research.
He played catch with DK Metcalf. I mean, he's doing a lot of research.
It feels like if he plays, it's going to be for the Steelers. Yes.
Right?

Speaker 1 It feels like if he plays, it's going to be for the Steelers. But everybody's just acting like he is playing for the Steelers.

Speaker 2 If you think people in Pittsburgh aren't happy with him now, if he doesn't go to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I think they'll be okay with that.

Speaker 4 I think they're just tired of playing just the tip with him, you know?

Speaker 1 Well, it hasn't even been that, right? Because he hasn't even he's been a butts out hug yeah just butt out hug not even smooching yeah not even smooching

Speaker 1 it's been worrying right your hunter says just the noses yeah you think you're doing and

Speaker 1 oh you think they're sniffing around sniffing butts yeah i don't know if they're a couple dogs sniffing butts i i that's how it feels no i don't i don't i just don't know i mean he's giving them the runner out he's not giving them the runner he's trying to figure out what he wants in his life everybody in pittsburgh's been told he's playing for him though yeah as well if he's playing for him let's do everyone in pittsburgh feels like they're getting a run around.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Steelers giving getting the runner, getting the Kaboli treatment from Rogers.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Kaboli's in there pounding the pavement.
He's not getting a run around anymore.

Speaker 2 But you remember he did get the run around. And maybe Roger saw that and said, oh, you think you're just the Pittsburgh Steelers? You can give people the run around?

Speaker 2 I'm going to give you the run around.

Speaker 1 Caboli's going to tear two Achilles covering your team, and you're going to just give him the run around, make him walk around more. That ain't fair.
No.

Speaker 1 Mike Tallman goes, Yo, we're trying to get him to do

Speaker 1 things.

Speaker 1 Thomas Morstead has signed with the San Francisco 49ers.

Speaker 1 Thomas Morstead punter out of SMU, first with the New Orleans Saints. Then he bounced around a couple different teams, most recently with the New York Jets, has signed with the San Francisco 49ers.

Speaker 1 Mitch Wischnowski, Aussie punter, has been their punter for a long time.

Speaker 1 Thomas Morstead drafted same class as me in the fourth round, a man who taught me how to punt, a guy who said he will punt till his leg falls off. Here he

Speaker 1 kindles a relationship with Brant Boyer, who is a special teams coordinator at the New York Jets, now special teams coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers, a co-co uh assistant coach there for the San Francisco 49ers special teams, Colt Anderson.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Good guy. Cole Anderson, my guy.
He was my personal protector for the Indianapolis Colts. I appreciate him.
He was last with the Tennessee Titans as their special teams coordinator.

Speaker 1 Now he's an assistant with the San Francisco 49ers. Thomas Morstead's been around the game a long time.
Thomas Morstead has been very consistent. Thomas Morstead is a jugs machine.

Speaker 1 Thomas Morstead is now a member of the San Francisco 49ers. Congrats to them.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's Thomas. I don't know if he'll be the punter on the team.
I have no idea if it's competition. I don't know what happened with Mitch Wishnowski.
I do not know.

Speaker 7 Is Mitch still there?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 No, I thought I saw something they...

Speaker 1 Yeah, he got released. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So Thomas Morstead punter for the San Francisco 49ers? I'm pretty sure, yeah. All right.
He'll be old. I mean, he will.
Yeah, steady.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's got Andy Lee vibes to it.

Speaker 1 Andy Lee used to just absolutely demolish footballs. He used to swing so hard.
He was a country boy, I believe, from South Carolina, went to Pitt. Then he ended up with San Francisco 49ers.

Speaker 1 He would drop the ball so high. I have no idea how he did it.
And then he would murder that. There was a time of Shane Leckler, Mike Cypher's, Andy Lee were all punting for the teams in California.

Speaker 1 So obviously

Speaker 1 Leckler was with the Raiders. Andy Lee was with the Niners.
Cypher's was with the Chargers. And they were the three best punters in the league.
By far, no questions asked.

Speaker 1 And they just murdered footballs. Thomas Moore said vastly different than Andy Lee's style.
Vastly. What is there?

Speaker 1 Vastly, vastly different style. But I I think he'll be good for that team, especially with Salah going back.
He was his head coach, right? Remember, he was at the Jets.

Speaker 1 So Punter is a defensive position. Congrats to him.
Did you see what happened with Oregon? Did you see what happened with Oregon?

Speaker 7 With the decommit?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't like the way they gave him sad.

Speaker 1 I don't like Coach getting a run around here. Yeah, he's got a bad thing.

Speaker 1 You just can't do anything anymore.

Speaker 1 I don't like Coach Landon getting the runaround here by some 18-year-old.

Speaker 1 Now, I know Richard Wesley is a five-star Edge, but this video of him decommitting to Oregon came of committing to Oregon came two days before the decommitment. Oh, I think is the way it was reported.

Speaker 1 Hey, what's going on? I guess it's time to make a decision. Five-star Edge just got to the quarterback.
He goes, Why don't we do this thing live? Do it into a pool. Super cool.
Let's get it.

Speaker 1 Just Jay Lane. Let's do this.
Takes his shirt off, jumps to the pool. Woo!

Speaker 1 We're doing it. Let's go.
Let's go, Docs.

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. He did the whole thing.
Did the whole thing. And two days later, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 1 Coach Cody.

Speaker 1 That's a tough world.

Speaker 5 This stuff can't be happening.

Speaker 1 Not to Dan.

Speaker 5 No, exactly, because now he just looks like an asshole.

Speaker 1 He's a dog.

Speaker 5 I'm never going to do something like that ever.

Speaker 1 But you have to.

Speaker 1 Remember when the coach had to send a voice memo singing Justin Bieber? Sing beeves. Tom Herman.

Speaker 1 Don't do it.

Speaker 2 Can't have it. There's no point anymore.

Speaker 7 Had to be the kid's idea, too. Hey, coach, here's it.
Let's jump in the pool.

Speaker 1 Hey, my commitment. I want to jump into a pool.

Speaker 4 I don't think it was Dan's idea, no.

Speaker 1 Okay, cool. I'll date.
Dan says, sounds good. I'll do it.
Let's do it, man. Give it a five-star edge.
We got it. Uncle Phil, gonna be paying? Yep.
We're ready.

Speaker 1 Jumps in a whole pool two days later. I'm not going there.

Speaker 2 Your cannonball sucked.

Speaker 1 You put your hands over your head.

Speaker 7 He was kind of an in-between, like can opener. He didn't really know what to do.
He was just.

Speaker 1 He might have a popped eardrum like me because why don't you jump in a pool?

Speaker 1 Sometimes you make sure the ears.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it could. I don't know.
We want to let Coach Lanning know, we don't like this.

Speaker 1 And Oregon's a great spot to be. Got a chance to travel up there.
Beautiful part of town. Obviously, their facilities are insane.
Their football team is great.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to see where old buddy goes. I don't know if it's going to be better in Oregon.
I don't know if you're going to get a coach that's going to do that for you just on a random Monday.

Speaker 1 Rich Rod. Maybe you will.
I don't know if Rich Rod's doing that, but I don't know if we're in Oregon yet either. We'll see you tomorrow.
Be your friend tell Fred something nice about change your life.

Speaker 1 Nailed it. Right at the zeros.
Bam. Yeah, Rich Rod.
I don't know if he's jumping in a pool. I hope not.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I'd like to see a recruit ask Rich Rod, though. That'd be nice.

Speaker 1 I would like to see a recruit, if they really want to get Coach Rod Zeke's up,

Speaker 1 say, hey, extra 20 grand in my NIL, I beat you in pickleball. He would love that.

Speaker 1 He would absolutely love that. He references pickleball in like four or five different conversations, interviews that he has.

Speaker 1 Like, for instance, there might be pickleball when I'll fucking beat your ass in that, but I can't.

Speaker 1 I think he thinks he's really good at pickleball. Yeah.
I assume he's very good.

Speaker 7 Does he have a rating? I know guys have have ratings when they play a lot.

Speaker 1 When I was chit-chatting with him a good bit there, right after he went back to West Virginia, his house down in Alabama has a full lit up pickleball facility in the backyard. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think he's falling in love with pickleball. So if one of these recruits was like, all right, you're saying you'll pay me 50 grand.
Let's make it 75. I'll beat you in pickleball.

Speaker 1 I think he'd be like. Dale.
Dale. That's a heartache.
That is what we want.

Speaker 1 That is what we are looking for. Hey, you give me an extra 10 grand, jump in a pool with me.
You should go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 We're pulling your office. And then he goes over to Nebraska and he goes, Matt Rule, hey, I'm thinking we jump in a pool.
Matt Rule goes, you need to go ahead and get the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 Get the fuck out of my office. I fear, though, I fear that this type of shit is going to be happening for a long time.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, that April 15th, we thought they were going to get a ruling. We thought it was over.
It's nowhere near over. It didn't even start.

Speaker 1 They hit the first, all right, this is how we're going to do this. We're going to sit on this side you're gonna sit on that side

Speaker 1 judge will be there okay we'll lay out what we say

Speaker 1 you lay out what you say and then we'll figure it out

Speaker 7 about the next meeting that's what it was like you know in football sometimes you have a meeting talking about what the next meeting is that's like what they're starting yep whenever you guys get your stuff to send it over we want to double check that we'll send it over to you we'll reconvene in a year yeah all right we'll see you guys here

Speaker 1 16 17 months maybe sounds good Is there any end date?

Speaker 7 Is there any date in time? Like, is there anything just in the near future?

Speaker 1 Who would benefit from that if it was to go forever?

Speaker 7 I don't know. You think the bigwigs that run on the thing?

Speaker 1 Oh, the lawyers. The gritty corporate fat cats.
The lawyers would benefit from that.

Speaker 7 It's a lot of billable hours. A lot of billable hours.

Speaker 1 Especially the amount of shit they got to look into. Man, there's so much stuff we got to look into.

Speaker 5 Been working around the clock seven days a week.

Speaker 1 New wormhole.

Speaker 1 That's just the thing. Well, we can get this done in six, seven months.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you trying to do? No, we can't.
No, we can't.

Speaker 1 You're trying to kill us?

Speaker 2 Working three times as hard?

Speaker 1 Billable hours. Who's paying for this? Nobody? No, nobody.
It's just institutions and things that just get a bunch of collection of money.

Speaker 1 Oh, so nobody personally is feeling the effects of these billable hours? No.

Speaker 1 Don't we got to look into employment stuff? Oh, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 Actually, I need you to help me.

Speaker 1 You need an under.

Speaker 1 Okay, we got got through the one half of this. Now let's look at the other side of this too.
Yeah, you're right. We got a

Speaker 1 This thing's gonna go, it's never ending. It might never end.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 the holdup right now, I'm reading, is roster limits.

Speaker 1 So they're gonna. Yeah, that's one of the holdups.
Yeah, one of the holdups. There's only one holdup right now.
And then once that holdup is finished, oh, we got another.

Speaker 1 I'm bummed out. I thought in April we were getting an answer.
I thought we had a $20 million salary cap coming. I thought it was already kind of slotted.
People were already preparing for it.

Speaker 1 People are already offering their NIL deals up front so that they can get them ahead of the scholarship money or the team roster money. That was all happening.

Speaker 1 Everybody we were talking to was like, hey, there's a ruling coming from a judge in California. April.
It's going to get it all sorted. And then April comes and goes.

Speaker 1 We're like, well, what happened there? They're setting a table.

Speaker 1 Well, when are we going to eat?

Speaker 1 2045, bro. Yeah.
Long time. Never going to happen.
All right, let's take a break. Quick one, because on the other side, we have a living legend legend joining us.

Speaker 1 A man who just does this with an acrostic just naturally, I think he was maybe came out of the womb doing this one right here. Yeah, boom,

Speaker 1 boom, maybe one of these. Boom, boom,

Speaker 1 boom, boom,

Speaker 7 some BTBs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going behind the back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's big trick

Speaker 1 bag. Yep.
Yeah. He does have a big trick bag.
Yeah, he does have a big trick bag. Yeah, sure.
Yes, he does. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 three-time, three-time

Speaker 1 NLL champ, a one-time PLL champ. He's obviously the riding champion with the Buffalo Bandits in the NLL.
He also plays for the Chaos Lacrosse Club in the PLL.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, the human highlight reel, Chase Frazier. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Chase!

Speaker 1 Yeah, Chase, we did it!

Speaker 1 We did it! Let's go!

Speaker 1 Is there a cup in the top of that? Are we drinking out of that thing? Are we just holding that?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 There's a big cup. It gets filled up.
Our rallies tomorrow.

Speaker 11 So we got the whole city of Buffalo coming out to the Alumni Plaza in front of Keybank Center, and we're going to get after one again.

Speaker 1 Okay, so have you guys won? I should have done more research. Congrats on being the NLL champs.
It's been fun to watch the Buffalo Bandits do their thing.

Speaker 1 You already should know Deion Dawkins and his videos led us to the environment. I think seeing your highlights has obviously been spectacular.
We'll talk about that in a minute.

Speaker 1 But the Buffalo Bandits fan base, rabid. Is it like that in the entire NLL? I'm just learning of the NLL right now, Chase, through you.
I want to let you know that.

Speaker 11 Awesome. Glad I could bring some lights to the NLL for you because it's great action, great sport.
But as in for fans,

Speaker 11 there's really no place like Buffalo. It's like Bandit Land.
There are some places. Colorado gets a good number.
Calgary gets good numbers.

Speaker 11 But for the environment and what what it is, it's Buffalo and Banditland is the place to go. I think like it was our average this year was 17,000, I think.

Speaker 11 On average, said five or six sellouts, which is 19,000 in 70s. And

Speaker 11 it's an incredible place, man. The people are just so passionate about the sports and about our team.
And it's an incredible thing to be a part of.

Speaker 1 17,000 average is nothing to stand. That's gigantic.
That's huge numbers. Congrats to you and Banditland for putting on for the NLL champions.
How many games in a season?

Speaker 1 Because I just saw the tail end here with you just doing your shit. And you do that every game?

Speaker 1 Tell me about,

Speaker 1 you're a human highlight reel. I mean, every goal that I saw, the first one was so filthy.
I sent it over to Connor. I was like, what is this? What am I watching here? Box across, hold everything.

Speaker 1 And then what, two days later, you pop up again? Then again, it just felt like we were seeing you every day of my life.

Speaker 1 doing something so filthy, so sick. Was this the first one? I don't remember if this is the first one or the most recent one.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that was the first one this year. But to answer your first, there's 18 seasons, 18 games in a season, just like an NFL schedule.

Speaker 11 And you go to playoff, which is first round, single elimination, second rounds, three game series, and so is the finals.

Speaker 11 But yeah, getting that, that was the first one this year. But

Speaker 11 it's just part of my game. I love it.
I love just being creative, throwing cool stuff that no one else really kind of does.

Speaker 11 And kind of grew up with that knowledge of your stick has eyes and there's a lot of different angles that you can see and with these goalies being so big is what they are and the nets being small is that you got to find different ways to score and at the level that we play at it's sometimes you got to be stupid creative and pull off some stuff like that that

Speaker 1 makes myself shake my head sometimes okay so you don't think they're all going in either as you're letting it out of your stick i respect and appreciate that so when you go full honestly no yeah transparency we're hoping we're certainly hoping it's going in that area with timmy hortons there nice double double uh You're not allowed to step in there ever.

Speaker 1 The goalie has the crease. You're not allowed to touch it, even post-throw.

Speaker 11 So once I take off, the ball has to cross the line before I land, but into the crease. But once the ball breaks the goal line and goes in the net, you can land and be in the crease.

Speaker 1 Net much smaller in this, right, than the PLO?

Speaker 11 Yeah, so the PLL is 6x6.

Speaker 11 Big nets,

Speaker 11 creases, I'm assuming, are the same size.

Speaker 11 But yeah, it's a bigger field, 6 on 6. Defenders got six foot pulls.
And with this, this is just

Speaker 11 men just beating the living bricks out of each other for fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, is that what the NLL is? That's where I've kind of learned. The NLL seems to be much more physical because it's much more compact.

Speaker 1 Is that an accurate depiction of the differences between the two games?

Speaker 11 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 11 There's straight-up fights, like hockey fights, like guys square up and throw hands, and it's like street fights. It's kind of, yeah, gloves come off.

Speaker 11 I don't know if you guys saw the one that, and I'm sorry to do this to my teammate, but at the beginning of the year, we had a

Speaker 11 he was the one who got kind of knocked out and won the big games.

Speaker 7 I think we saw that.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and I was the guy who actually got laid out that started that whole kind of thing and stood up for me.

Speaker 11 I love Belter. He's a buddy of mine and a real good friend.

Speaker 11 Just feel sorry, but sorry to bring it up.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that's part of what it is also. Hey, Belter, I know we're celebrating a championship here, but we do have to go back in time to showcase the sport here.
We're a better sport.

Speaker 1 There are knockouts that are possible. We I fell in love with the NLL.
I think that is my brand of lacrosse. It seems to be much faster.

Speaker 1 And if you're just going to keep doing your shit, I think I will obviously continue. 17,000 average, AJ.
Go ahead, on you.

Speaker 7 That's awesome.

Speaker 7 Chase, so with all this, you know, how creative you are around the network, behind the back, through the legs, all this stuff, I guess, was there ever a point in your career where you were a young kid or whatever, where you started, you were attempting these shots and they weren't going in.

Speaker 7 Your coaches were getting super pissed and tell you not to do this anymore. Because I just feel like you have to be ultra confident to try this every time.

Speaker 11 Absolutely. Like growing up as a kid, I was always having that, let's just say ADHD

Speaker 11 out the ass. Like I'm going to be honest with you guys, I'd pick the ball up as the coach was talking and just be like doing one-handed stuff with it, just throwing it behind my back.

Speaker 11 And half the time I'd usually hit my coach or hit somebody. But I started at a young age and

Speaker 11 spent a lot of time in the backyard with my brothers playing

Speaker 11 doing that too. So it was just, I was practicing.

Speaker 11 And then in games, definitely we yelled at for pulling it off, especially in high school. And then in college, I ended up having the same coach as I did in high school for my senior year.

Speaker 11 And he gave me a lot of free reign with it. And then, but the coaches I've had, some of them times they understand me.
Like JT,

Speaker 11 he gets me. He understands the creativity and how my brain just kind of works a little bit differently than your average kind of athlete and just gives me the reins and just tells me to shoot my shot,

Speaker 11 just be myself, which is awesome.

Speaker 1 It feels like it works out. I think you should continue to shoot your shot for the good of the game because we're enjoying the hell out of all of it.
Now, you talk about coaches getting you.

Speaker 1 There's a chance you might be on a new team. You're Canadian, I do believe.
You're Canadian?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I'm from Western Canada, Langley. It's just a small town outside of Vancouver there.

Speaker 1 Oh, over there in Vancouver.

Speaker 1 Right out of Victoria.

Speaker 3 Just across the water, brother.

Speaker 1 We have some friends over there in Saskatoon as well. Terror.
Saskatoon, yeah, Victoria. Medicine Hat.
Yeah, we know the area pretty well over there. Calgary.

Speaker 1 We We understand what's going on over there. But that comes to there's about to be a pretty big international event that the world will be talking about.
Go ahead, Done. Yeah, there is, Chase.

Speaker 4 I just assume you're going to be on the Canadian team for the Olympics for lacrosse. I don't know how those tryouts or whatever work out, but you play in NLL and PLL.

Speaker 4 Do you have an advantage since it's going to be kind of a combination of both? And are you pumped to win silver in the Olympics?

Speaker 1 Maybe even bronze. Bronze will be good, too.
Bronze will be good, too. Speed and stuff.

Speaker 11 It's fixes event.

Speaker 11 And if I get selected for that team, it would be an absolute honor because I think that whole creativity with how fast that game goes would really be an advantage to my game and would be able to help Team Canada win that gold.

Speaker 11 But yeah,

Speaker 11 I did three years in the PLL.

Speaker 11 No longer play in the PLL. I played just

Speaker 11 summer ball here. The Allegheny Arrows.
It's a senior B team out on the reservation down here in

Speaker 11 Buffalo here.

Speaker 11 But advantage? Yeah, absolutely. I think Canadian guy has got a way bigger advantage for

Speaker 11 going from box into that field fixes type because it's the box kind of atmosphere with the speed of box, but bigger nets. So every guy can throw some crazy stuff and do that.

Speaker 11 And Canada's just full of a bunch of ballers.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, so is America.

Speaker 1 It's about ballers. Yeah, it's like you said, the cursed family is obviously

Speaker 1 cursed family is ready to do their thing. You talked about being on the reservation there.
What's the name of the tribe there?

Speaker 11 Allegheny Arrow. Yeah, Allegheny Reservation.
That's where I play for.

Speaker 1 What's the casino up there in that area?

Speaker 11 Seneca One. I was actually dinner there last night at the Seneca Creek Casino here.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 They take good care of us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. So I've been there.
Yeah. You and I have eaten in the same world, brother, up there.

Speaker 1 The natives are great at lacrosse, right? Kind of their sport. Oh,

Speaker 11 that's the native. That's where the game came from.
It's the medicine game from them. They gave it to us.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they're doing the shit you're doing, right? They're like holding on to the game.

Speaker 11 I mean, like, just Google Lyle Thompson and some of those guys. And even one of our teammates, De Okananikoke,

Speaker 11 he's nasty. He's got those silky mitts that just

Speaker 11 some of those things that inspire me, which is their creativity, which is, you just build on it. It's an amazing sport, and every player has their own kind of twist on it, which is amazing.

Speaker 1 Because I've been told for the Olympics. that the native team, if they are allowed into the going to be very good.
Yeah, they'll win.

Speaker 1 They will be probably the team that wins.

Speaker 1 It's their game. Yeah, it's their game.
Yeah, exactly. But they have to petition, I think, to have a team in the Olympics.
I think for the good of the Olympics, they should allow that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the IOC usually makes the right choice, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's kind of their thing.

Speaker 1 That's kind of their thing. You agree, Chase.
Obviously, you agree. Absolutely agree.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Then the United States team, problematic.

Speaker 2 Yeah. High dangers.

Speaker 1 Russia. And then that Canadian team right there, I think like fourth or third.
They have a chance. Yeah, maybe.
Maybe really getting in there.

Speaker 11 They talked The last sixes event, like the world qualifying games, Canada won gold, and I think it was a 10 to 12 gold differential by the middle.

Speaker 1 Oh, and the who cares games? Yeah, we don't remember. Let's get back to lacrosse, shall we? Go ahead, Connor.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Chase, you play in the PLL and NLL. Is that common? You know, we saw Pat Kavanaugh sign with the San Diego SEALs this year.
Is it normal to kind of do both?

Speaker 2 You also mentioned that other team you played for in Allegheny. Is that kind of the season, Those three teams? And do you have beefs that kind of cross over?

Speaker 2 I know your chaos coach, I'm not sure if he was your coach while you were there, is an absolute lunatic. So

Speaker 2 did the problems cross over between the two leagues? And do you tell guys in the PLL, like, hey, when we get back to box, I'm going to beat the brakes off you

Speaker 1 that here? I like that.

Speaker 11 There was a little bit of crossover within the couple of years. Like, I was never able to make it to camp because we were in the finals

Speaker 11 and all that, so the crossover, but there's understandment with that. But getting back into the box thing, yeah, there definitely is that.

Speaker 11 Like, there was that thing going around being PLL tough because our chaos team was full of a bunch of box guys and all that. And it's a different atmosphere.

Speaker 11 Yeah, they said that fighting was good, but if you took your helmet and gloves off at times, that there was a more disciplinary action to that. And with us,

Speaker 11 in the box lifestyle,

Speaker 11 you kind of want to, you need to take your helmet and gloves off to settle it. So, yeah, there was a couple instances with that.
And our face-off guy, Connor Farrell, actually,

Speaker 11 he played in the PLL as well against us. And he was playing for the Chrome at the time and did a pretty greasy pick on one of our face-off guys.

Speaker 11 Benches kind of got cleared. And Ian McKay on my team here, Dane Smith, and Josh Byrne, we were all on that chaos team.

Speaker 11 Ended up kind of getting into an altercation with them, like a massive line brawl with Conor Farrell. And it was just like, oh, you're PLL tough, like all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 11 Like, Ferris, he's a monster. He's a wrestler.
He's a big face-off guy. Now, he's won the last two championships with us.
It's just like, it's, yeah.

Speaker 1 I like the pretty greasy move descriptor of something. I'm going to start using that as my own and give you no credit.
I apologize. That's a pretty greasy move by old buddy.

Speaker 1 Everybody understands exactly what you meant there. And then you saying, oh, you're PLL tough.
That sounds like that is certainly something that is said by the NLL boys, if I had to imagine.

Speaker 1 I want to let you know that for me, as a,

Speaker 1 I'll call myself a casual. I enjoy the sport of lacrosse.
I enjoy, I'm never going to catch an entire season. I do apologize.
That's 100% on me. It hasn't cracked into my life schedule.

Speaker 1 It hasn't cracked into my life schedule. Maybe it will at some point, but at this exact moment, with everything else going on, I don't think I can be a committed every single game guy.

Speaker 1 But the NLL, what is the NLL on? What do we watch? How can I watch the NLL? Is it on ESPN?

Speaker 11 ESPN, yeah, ESPN Plus. We get like good games.
It'll be on the ESPNU, ESPN2.

Speaker 11 The NLL Plus has its own own platform now. So like well you can watch every game and they'll do like highlights on it and stuff too.
So there are streaming ways to get it get into it.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I'm going to watch. When's the season start?

Speaker 11 So you've just ended first games usually the first week of December.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's right in the middle of like playoff push for us.

Speaker 1 That's tough. That's going to be tough, Chase.
I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest.
But if we can find it, we'll watch it, especially if you're playing.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you taking the time and congratulations to you and the bandits.

Speaker 11 Thank you, budes. Repeat, baby.

Speaker 1 The rallies? When's the rally today, you said?

Speaker 11 Tomorrow. Tomorrow afternoon at five or evening at five.
And then

Speaker 11 the boys are all coming back down. We're going to get after it, hop with the fire trucks, get drove it around town and celebrate with our fans.

Speaker 1 Have some buffalo wings? Who's the best wing in town?

Speaker 11 Go to Barbill. Barbill is where you got to go.

Speaker 1 What are you putting in top of that Labats? Are we putting Labats in there or what's going on? A couple moles in the middle.

Speaker 11 This thing's seeing a lot of Labats this weekend, and it's gonna see a lot more labats coming up good luck to that trophy and good luck to you you're the man ladies and gentlemen chase razor

Speaker 1 i like the moxie on him on the oh yeah

Speaker 1 field yeah yeah greasy move pulled a greasy move off a face off we all knew exactly i i didn't know what he did but it was certainly something with the stick to the face tell you what the nl boys kind of get uh give me uh indoor soccer violence arena boys arena boys yeah yeah that's all i thought of whenever you say you're pl tough i i heard the arena guys say that

Speaker 1 through different words to a bunch of the outdoor players. Oh, you guys are so good, aren't you? Yeah, you're so good.
I'm excited to see the arena boys again next week. Oh, yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Red Boots. Oh,

Speaker 1 you're talking about Mario?

Speaker 5 Yeah, cannot wait to see Red Boots.

Speaker 1 How about Sauner? Yeah,

Speaker 1 Gordo. Gordo put an IG story up this morning of us after a win, you know, oh, oh, oh,

Speaker 1 around kerry north carolina i forgot about how good of a time it was down there it was we got fully invested in that i think as i'm seeing the videos i'm remembering like hey it wasn't just a really long time in carry north carolina where you weren't able to handle any business at all Like it was, that's, that's how, you know,

Speaker 1 because I remember after the TST, I don't know, 2,000 emails for me to figure out. And it's like, okay,

Speaker 1 this was a long time we just spent down there. And I tore my hip flexor.
And I couldn't walk because my legs were so sore.

Speaker 1 I think I forget that in the moments, there was magical moments that I've not felt since retirement, basically, with those guys.

Speaker 5 And it could have went the other way because after that first game, like, because we all went in like, you know, Kon K was going to win this whole thing and lose the first game.

Speaker 5 It's like, all right, let's get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 4 But then you respond.

Speaker 5 I think it was the game that night scored like six goals. It was like, okay, yeah, this is, this is sweet.
Like, the environment there is, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 Target goal. Yeah.
Very fun to watch. Genius.
Is the right way to end that tournament?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I guess they're not the first soccer tournament to do that, Compi.
I guess this has happened in other players. I've never seen it before.
I don't fall.

Speaker 3 I've never seen it before.

Speaker 1 They need to do that in World Cup. Yeah, for shoot.

Speaker 3 I guess technically, if when it used to go into extra time, it used to be golden goal back in the day, but they got rid of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, golden goal was always the point. Unbelievable.
Yeah, but that was tied. Golden goal means winning

Speaker 1 scoring.

Speaker 1 Overtime. Sudden death.
Yes, golden goal, sudden death. But this one, they're removing players.
It was like, what, two on two at one point? Yeah, on a lot of these different things.

Speaker 1 You should just make soccer that like worldwide. Hey, guess what? Yeah, seven on seven.
Game has changed.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We're doing this now forever.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We've still got a few days before TST starts, so we're keeping our eyes peeled for any potential signings.

Speaker 7 You know, Messi had a few goals. Was it last night?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Messi's playing really well for Inner Miami, but we do have our eyes on

Speaker 1 a loser. That's a lose.
Potential.

Speaker 7 Is that losing? Potential.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Never know.
TSD's still about a week out or so. Less than a little bit less than a week out.
Lou Messi, we're sending.

Speaker 1 We got some lines in the water down. Ronaldo.
Yeah, Cristiano. I don't know if you heard of him.
Yeah, get him. Well, he's coming up on waivers or something like that.

Speaker 1 So we're thinking about pink slipping that thing and

Speaker 1 doing the entirety of it all. Gumps, what are the possibilities of Lou Messi joining us? And more specifically, Cristiano and Ronaldo, maybe both of them at the same damn time.

Speaker 3 Cristiano is a free agent, so that could definitely happen.

Speaker 3 I don't know, Lou Messi, if we're playing by the rules, I don't know if anybody else is in this tournament, but Lou Messi is still under contract with Intermineria.

Speaker 1 A lot of people are going to say we're not playing by the rules because we are certainly paying all of our players. Trying to win.
Would like to let everybody know that.

Speaker 3 Just judging by the comments.

Speaker 3 What do you mean? This Ruggles, Ruggles guy.

Speaker 3 Apparently, he is

Speaker 3 an absolute star.

Speaker 1 Who Rogs? Is Ruggles the guy? He's an arena guy? Yeah. Okay, so the Arena Boys last year said we got some arena guys that aren't here that

Speaker 1 better than everybody else in this tournament. Like

Speaker 1 they, they learn the arena boys connected us with other arena boys, and the arena boys have now grown stronger, is what the arena boys say. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that is not good for anybody in North Carolina, let alone TSD, but just North Carolina as a whole. That hotel.
I believe the Arena Boys have grown stronger. We're in a new hotel.

Speaker 1 The Arena Boys have grown stronger. We're not in that same hotel.
We're in a different hotel now. No.
I don't know what that means. I don't know if that's good.

Speaker 1 I was going to say the hotel we were in was fine.

Speaker 2 I just mean the late night festivities with more arena boys at that hotel.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. I think we're at a nicer hotel.
I don't know about the late night festivities. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think the last hotel we were in was kind of secluded a little bit, and there was like a little back area where we could kind of, you know, do some team chemistry building in the late nights.

Speaker 1 Fights.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 15 beers.

Speaker 1 Meetings. That is.
Our team was everything that you would hope our team was. We're tougher than you.
We felt like we were stronger than you.

Speaker 1 And at night, there's a chance our team was going to smoke and drink more than you guys were as well. A couple cigars.
Other people were worried. Just a chance.
Just a chance.

Speaker 1 Other people were worried about recovery. Yeah, we're going to recover in the morning.

Speaker 7 We got IVs. Remember, we got IVs one day.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Not just one day. We got IVs like two, three days.
Yeah. Yeah, it was,

Speaker 1 that TST thing was wild. Those arena boys live a wild life.
Those guys just hunting paychecks for soccer, however they can get whatever. Oh, there's a tournament tournament in the park next week.

Speaker 1 Who's playing? Well, it's not really teams. We're all just kind of getting like 200 bucks to play.
It's two different groups playing against each other, and then it's an extra 300 bucks if you win.

Speaker 1 So that's a big one. Got invited to play that.
Where's that at? St. Louis.
Okay, so you're going to St. Louis for this game? Oh, yeah, definitely.
Is there refs? We don't know. Is it fair?

Speaker 1 Sometimes not. But we can make 500 bucks there, so we're going to do it.
They just hustle. They're tin cup.
Yeah. They're tin cup soccer, these arenas.

Speaker 7 They're so good. Those guys are so good.
Like,

Speaker 7 I've watched a ton of soccer in person. Obviously, I love the TST setup, how they do the games, but watching how skilled everybody is,

Speaker 7 it freaks me out. Like, that's why I enjoy watching these guys and how good they are.
I'm like, you got to be, to be on that field, like, you have to be a professional soccer player.

Speaker 1 Yes, and that is what TST has become. You know, like, I think at the beginning, TST was supposed to model after TBT, where it was, like, throwback teams, throwback players.

Speaker 1 Like, West Virginia has one, Best Virginia, I believe, is what they call. It's all the ex-West Virginia players that are no longer pro.

Speaker 1 They play in the TBT as that team, and it's like West Virginia is represented. I think that's what TBT was.
The soccer one is like

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 3 semi-professional, I guess, is what they were retired. Like, recently retired.
One of the teams just signed Andy Carroll, who used to play for Liverpool.

Speaker 1 He's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 why is he on our team? Yeah,

Speaker 3 that's why I told Foss.

Speaker 1 What's Foss doing? Sleeping on the job? We got a great team, but we can always get better.

Speaker 1 Especially if Lou Messi and Carroll are available.

Speaker 3 Will Carroll show up, though? Remember last year we were told Balotelli was on a team?

Speaker 1 He wasn't there. So he didn't show up.
I thought he was certainly there.

Speaker 3 No, he was supposed to be on Nani's team or Aguero's squad. Nani's back, right? Yeah, they lost in the final last year.

Speaker 7 They won last year.

Speaker 1 We don't think about it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you're right. It's not about them.

Speaker 1 It's a dancing. Who's your elite? It's about us.
Nathan's faceless, brother. It's not us.
Who's your elite?

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. We beat the fuck out of who's your elite.

Speaker 1 Who's your elite knocks us out of the tournament?

Speaker 1 They were very good. Yeah, they were very good.

Speaker 2 I thought we beat them.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what, I talked to basically all of them because they are from Indiana. That team's going to be good for a long time.
They're training year-round for that. That's all.

Speaker 1 It is all the alumni of Indiana. Indiana has a great soccer team, always has had a great soccer team.
All their alumni train like year-round, they play in a bunch of leagues around here.

Speaker 1 They, because a couple of them are like, hey, we got to get you in our league or whatever. I'm like, definitely.
Because in a moment,

Speaker 1 I missed it. Maybe next year.

Speaker 1 Maybe next year I'll be able to get into it. Schedule's crazy.
Bummed out. I'm not going to be able to get to Madison Square Garden tonight.
Bummed out.

Speaker 7 I mean, if I was

Speaker 7 Dolan and I was the owner, I would not let you anywhere near MSG.

Speaker 1 Agreed. I respect the move.
Like, I got massive respect for the move, especially because I didn't know that's who the people were going to ask, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, heard you might want to go to Madison Square Garden. You want me to look around for tickets? Sure.
Somebody from somewhere else?

Speaker 1 Hey, heard you want to go to Madison Square Garden and want me to look in some tickets? Sure, absolutely.

Speaker 1 If it happens, I'm not 100% sure I can make it, but if the opportunity arises, would love to hear about it or whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's going to be a no. So unless you want to buy off SeatGeek, which you certainly can.
And SeatGeek is the greatest ticket buying platform on planet Earth. And

Speaker 1 the moon.

Speaker 1 Right now, you use the code Pat

Speaker 1 30.

Speaker 1 Pat 30, P-A-T3-0. You'll get $30 off any tickets.
So I could pay $69,970.

Speaker 1 Okay. Not bad.
For once?

Speaker 1 I think it's $70,000 for one ticket. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You think they've got to be able to do that? So who is going to buy that?

Speaker 1 Is that the pretty opens?

Speaker 1 Oh, the fees sorry yeah we gotta buck that up

Speaker 1 78 000 boom there you go

Speaker 7 nine hundred and seventy dollars boom what's that aj so so what happens if they don't sell that ticket because there has to be some of those tickets that don't get sold seat fillers

Speaker 1 171 000 now for that seat yeah they've sold it

Speaker 1 yeah they've sold them 171 000 we should have bought that yesterday we should have bought it yesterday and sold it today yesterday it was 69 000 wasn't it yep now it's hundred and seventy one thousand yeah i'm not gonna do that so that's so much twelve thousand dollars just sit like behind the scores table

Speaker 1 jeez that's the gas price it's actually not a bad

Speaker 1 what's the thirty four thousand dollar one right there in the middle where where is that that's the back row of the i should be a club level yeah some

Speaker 1 geez

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I'm not gonna make it. Ben Stiller, though, once again, very cool.
Yeah. Ben Stiller was like, you're always invited, brother.
We'll sit together next time. It's like, he's like, not tonight.

Speaker 1 It has been. Obviously,

Speaker 4 that's going to be a quiet arena. There are a lot of people with money there just not screaming.

Speaker 1 Timothy Chalmet was very loud. Well, Ben Stiller was very loud.

Speaker 1 Spike's not very loud. I was watching him.

Speaker 1 He was kind of more

Speaker 1 kind of... A little more docile.

Speaker 2 He's been through it so much, I assume, at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think he probably knew the way that game was going, maybe, but he's animated up there. So I think the people that are paying that are loud, too.
They're New Yorkers.

Speaker 4 They're loud. Well, we know how those Ranger games were with the khakis.
and

Speaker 1 yeah a little bit different i guess the get-in price is actually way lower than it was for um games one and two what's the get-in price i think it's only like 300 bucks for like to sit up in the top yeah for like the very top it was like 800 for games one and two maybe we do that huh maybe we come wash in from the top look down on everybody like and then come in like sting yeah wait yeah that'd be cool drop down

Speaker 1 with a baseball bat right in right next to ben stiller Just like I fucking said.

Speaker 1 Can't wait for that game tonight. I know.
Let's go, Pacers. All right, H, we're going to get the hell out of here.
We appreciate you, man. Great work today out of you, AJ.
God damn.

Speaker 7 How's Scotty doing? The Memorial Tournament started.

Speaker 1 Good question. I saw Ryan Day was

Speaker 1 golfing with Nick Saban yesterday. Yeah.
I would like to know how that goes. If I could be a flying wall.
Yeah. Why just fly on the trees?

Speaker 1 Sabin's not hitting it into a lot of trees, though. Yeah, I guess cart would be the right answer unless they're walking.
Not a change. No way.
Oh, yeah, they walked.

Speaker 1 was a it's a pro am they have to walk

Speaker 1 at the memorial yeah pro am for pga yeah they're walking

Speaker 1 payton played steph played yeah scotty's even through four

Speaker 7 how's the course playing aj what have you heard from the local pundits i've heard that the rough is very very high it's tough but it's been it's been raining and it's continuing to rain so who knows it always rains during the oh it gets muddy out there

Speaker 1 whoever can beat the muddy memorial is the one that really proves themselves as the greatest golfer in the history of ohio that's right and ryan day Day yesterday, I heard six under.

Speaker 1 He was piping on it.

Speaker 1 He can play. From the Reds? Sabin, seven under.

Speaker 1 Sabin's top 10 right now.

Speaker 4 I think he decided to play in the actual tournament.

Speaker 1 Nick?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's awesome.
That's cool. How about whenever the internet just decided that Nick Sabin was going to be the guy that was going to figure out off college sports?

Speaker 4 Footballs are.

Speaker 1 He's like, what?

Speaker 7 That sounds like a fun job. Let me take that on.

Speaker 1 Who's saying that? How old am I? Who has 30 years to figure this out?

Speaker 1 Legitimately. Legitimate.
That job. who's gonna do it AJ

Speaker 7 maybe Bill Belichick eventually after he wins a national championship well

Speaker 1 if he's allowed

Speaker 1 it's been a good day out here

Speaker 1 two game fives tonight oilers stars Pacers Knicks that North Carolina situations well congrats to their women's lacrosse team yeah congrats out North Carolina women's lacrosse team won their national championship I think there's a chance we could interview I guess there's two sisters on the team I got a text from Wiley that said, hey, there's two sisters on the North Carolina women's lacrosse team that are very good.

Speaker 1 I think he says, I think you could have them on the show if you want to. We'd love to chit-chat with him.
Is that? I don't know anything about women's lacrosse. I know the rules are different.

Speaker 1 I turned it on one time. I was like,

Speaker 1 it feels like a different sport.

Speaker 4 Is that the team where

Speaker 4 the coach, she won like four years in a row national championship, and then the next year got named the head coach? I believe 22.

Speaker 1 Oh, she played in one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 And then immediately after she graduated, was named the head coach.

Speaker 1 Sweet. Wow.
Greatest of of all time.

Speaker 7 It's kind of like what Jason Kidd did in the NBA.

Speaker 7 What did he write after? Like a suit.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know how long.

Speaker 7 It felt like pretty cool. Nope.
I was wrong.

Speaker 4 Different program.

Speaker 1 I did see that. Okay, somebody did that, though.

Speaker 1 And congrats to whoever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, congrats to them.

Speaker 1 Whatever program that was at. And

Speaker 1 congrats to you. You should write a book on success because it sounds like you're able to find it very quickly and have been for a long time.
We're incredibly proud of you.

Speaker 1 So maybe we have a North Carolina women's lacrosse conversation in the next few days. Tomorrow is Friday, though.

Speaker 1 That came out of nowhere. It did, daddy quick.
This week has been very active. Yep.

Speaker 2 Very, very active. Last two weeks had a lot of people in studio last week too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's keep it going. Hell yeah.
Let's enjoy tonight. Edmonton Oilers can punch their ticket to the Stanley Cup Finals in Dallas at 8 p.m.
on ESPN.

Speaker 1 Gumpy's pointing at an otter mask.

Speaker 7 Sorry, Gump.

Speaker 3 It's not over tonight.

Speaker 3 It ain't over tonight.

Speaker 1 What's the shirt you're wearing?

Speaker 3 That's City Connect. Boston Red Sox just came out.

Speaker 1 How are they doing?

Speaker 3 27 and 31.

Speaker 3 Would like to be doing better.

Speaker 1 I thought they were the team.

Speaker 3 We spent more money than usual. Fenway Sports Group is spending, actually.
They are spending a bunch of cash on Liverpool right now as well. So I got no complaints with FSG at the moment.

Speaker 1 Drew Ruggles won the TST two years ago.

Speaker 3 With the assist. Actually, Chad Porch, another guy on our team, scored the game winner last year.
So, you know.

Speaker 1 I didn't know Faso was in his bag. We got to build a squad here.
I didn't know Faso was in his bag like that. I do love people who are asking me, they're like, you're not going to play?

Speaker 1 You don't want to play? I'm like, that guy's on our team. Why the fuck am I going to go out there? Like, well, isn't that what the whole thing's for? It's like, no, we got a team, Concafo.

Speaker 1 We're in there to win. Okay.
Consider me an owner of a team.

Speaker 5 Yeah, trying to win a title.

Speaker 1 I'm the owner of a team who's also a player coach, if I have to be. Yeah.
And we got Tony Miolo on the bench with Tab Ramos. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And Gumpy. Coach Gump.

Speaker 1 Coach Gump got two yellow cards last year. Not scared to get four this year.

Speaker 1 Not scared to go out there and start a scrum with the stripes.

Speaker 2 Get a red.

Speaker 1 Tony Meola's trying to ask a real question and Gump, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 I mean, we were getting hoes in that game. It might have been a turning point.
We were down 2-0 that time. Came back to 1-3-2.

Speaker 1 That's right. We need more of that out of you.
Come on, guys.

Speaker 1 Jeff Cameron, also. Gump just losing it.
No one else. We're going to let Gumpy go to bat for us out there? No way.
Let's rally, boys. That's what they did in the huddle.
I was there.

Speaker 1 Jeff Cameron, not able to play. He was one of our best players last year.
That's bad. That's not good news.
He's going to be there, though.

Speaker 14 He's chirpy.

Speaker 3 He's chirpy. He said Brech Shea is in the best shape he's been in years.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Brecht is awesome. Oh, oh, oh, Con Cave.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Brech is awesome. Breck will fight you, too.
We got a lot of guys on our team that will fight you. Dong, which I like.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think you guys are going to play bully ball a bit, I think.

Speaker 2 Florida Panthers of this tournament.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If you will.
Patrick Mahomes has chit-chatted about playing in the Olympics, maybe a flag football I'll probably leave that to the younger guys

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes doesn't want to represent United States of America or Jamar. Maybe he's tired of this pusette guy talking about I'm sure he is Ed?

Speaker 7 Yeah, you do have to be very very agile. I feel like at a quarterback in this flag football I have seen right is that how the

Speaker 7 Olympics is going to be as well?

Speaker 1 Lamar and Kyler.

Speaker 2 I'm starting to think we just roll out our UFL guys and like, hey, let's just see.

Speaker 1 All right, because what are you talking about? Let's just see in the Olympics.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying,

Speaker 2 let's just see what these are.

Speaker 1 The UFL, have you seen a single snap of that this year? I have, Marquette King. Did you see his fake? Yes, it is.
That was sick. Fourth and 11.
Shook a guy. Uh-uh.
Marquette on a fake punt.

Speaker 1 I don't know how he punted the game. I assume he did well, but I saw him run, shake a guy.
Guy ended up on his face.

Speaker 1 Marquette hit him with a little Hesse, did his thing. That's the only play I've seen this year.
Have you seen any others?

Speaker 1 I actually watched the end of a game. Well, when was that? Why are you laughing about that? I've seen some.

Speaker 1 I've seen some.

Speaker 2 I didn't see any G-League basketball either this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but spring football is more football. More football is good football.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 They had a banger. I think it was Sunday.
Team was up nine going in to score. They fumbled on the goal line.

Speaker 4 So the team that was down nine got the ball, went down, scored a touchdown with two seconds left. So then they had to go for three.
Guy caught it.

Speaker 2 You can just end it, right? Tackled on the one-yard line.

Speaker 1 Go for three. That ain't fucking football.
Hey, we're down 18. We just got to score a touchdown, and then we complete the 50-yard pass from midfield, and then we win.
It was hot.

Speaker 1 That ain't fucking football. I appreciate what they're doing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do. I do.
Shout out to Rock.

Speaker 1 There's not even like a Jake Bates story this year either. Like a kicker maker.
You don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hot rod. Hot rod.
Oh, yeah, that's right. Is he still on the streak?

Speaker 1 I assume. I know.

Speaker 3 Pooka's brothers are out there. Yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 coach are fighting fans. Huh? Stoops is out there.
Bob Stoops.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like the coaches are big name guys. We're head coaches.

Speaker 1 Let it go, Stoops. I'm going to be honest, and this sounds like such an asshole thing to say.
When their quarterback said they were going on strike or whatever.

Speaker 1 That was it, Tari. That was it.
You guys lost $60 million last year.

Speaker 1 Let's get back. Let's go for football.
It gives guys opportunity. They showcase themselves.

Speaker 5 I know Jay Sternberger has been fucking eating for Birmingham. I do know that.
I've seen he has scored multiple touchdowns this year. I believe they won the title last year.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I'm a bit of a Birmingham guy myself.

Speaker 1 Birmingham was the home to all the teams, right, at one point? Yeah, a couple years ago. Did you see the video? It might still be.
Did you see the video of the stadium this past weekend? No.

Speaker 1 No, was it

Speaker 1 a video of Birmingham?

Speaker 1 I thought. Yeah, wall to wall is a good call.

Speaker 1 Lord, people dressed in the right seats.

Speaker 2 Well, remember how the guy wanted pizza?

Speaker 5 Or little Caesars. They kicked him out of the league because he wouldn't slop.
They were served.

Speaker 1 That's it. That's what they're doing.
You're cut.

Speaker 2 We're going to have to cut you loose.

Speaker 1 This guy wants pizza. We told you no fucking pizza.

Speaker 2 So eat the fucking shit we got for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's good for football players to have another opportunity to play. For sure, no doubt.
I respect that. But I feel like just a lot of the things that have been done and said and everything,

Speaker 1 nobody's really been able to execute a spring football league with

Speaker 1 success. Till now.
That's what I'll say with success. Till UFL.

Speaker 2 Till now.

Speaker 1 They need to let Mark Debt play fucking quarterback. Yeah.
Let him play quarterback.

Speaker 2 Me play wide receiver.

Speaker 7 Need to let Dwayne Johnson play D-line. I'll watch.

Speaker 1 I've seen him get up in his stance. He's still got his stance.
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 No, we need to let them do the enhanced football.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's what we need. Good call.
That's what the UFL should become. It should become the EFL.
Yes. The Enhanced Football League.
Now we're talking.

Speaker 1 Because the enhanced games that are happening where competitors will earn a million dollars if they're able to break a world record while being juiced up on anything you can find.

Speaker 1 There will be no drug testing. There's a guy out of Australia that we are seeing pictures of for the first time, long time.
And I'll tell you what, it feels like juice works.

Speaker 1 James Magnusson, Joe Pompeono reports, looks unrecognizable after preparing for the enhanced games. Contests are encouraged to use performance-enhancing drugs to break world records.

Speaker 1 If they break a record, they get a million dollars. Look at that dude.
Look at his lats. Look at his lats hanging out.

Speaker 1 So he just did the same swimming workouts that he had been doing his whole life, which makes you jacked anyway. The backs of these swimmers are absurd.

Speaker 1 And then they're able to just pump themselves with whatever. I don't know if that helps in swimming or not.
That's what I was wondering.

Speaker 1 But it looks like he's stronger than anybody I've ever seen go for a swim.

Speaker 1 And I can't wait to see all the other sports if this is just kind of a little bit of a look or a peek-see at some of these athletes and what they're going to be.

Speaker 5 I mean, I guess they are trying to break world records, so maybe you wouldn't want to do it. But like, who, is there anything that says he can't go into the next lane and like dunk a guy?

Speaker 1 So I don't think you're allowed. I think there's still rules.
It's still the same rules. Okay,

Speaker 1 because that would be an inherent advantage. Quick

Speaker 2 jack, quick.

Speaker 1 That guy's legs, like him kicking his legs, it's going to be like two thunder two motor boats engines he's not the only one remember there's other enhanced athletes that are gonna be out there and remember the enhanced games are taking place in las vegas in 2026

Speaker 1 event details well it's at resorts world in las vegas the dates are may 21st through the 24th in 2025 categories are swimming 50 and 100 that's sprints because we know these juiced up things aren't gonna be a good long time

Speaker 1 uh you get freestyle uh 15 50 meters 100 meter butterfly okay track and field 100 meter sprint uh and it looks like 110 hurdles. And then weightlifting, snatch, clean, and jerk.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're going to see some explosions. So we got six events in this thing?

Speaker 1 Six events, all the drugs. Nice.
World records to be broke. Can't wait.
So if you break the world record, but you don't win, what if somebody breaks a world record better than you?

Speaker 1 Do you still get a million bucks?

Speaker 5 According to that, I think you do.

Speaker 1 The way Pompliano ordered that. Exactly.
I don't know if the Pompliano tweet would be good in court.

Speaker 1 If you don't get paid a million. Yeah.
But I do wonder if you break the record just in general, you get a million bucks?

Speaker 1 or do you have to be the best world record breaker to get the million bucks that's a good question whatever the case good luck to all the parties thank you for being the guinea pigs in this whole experiment yeah good luck

Speaker 1 so many torn muscles

Speaker 1 i mean let's hope that we're gonna see some hamstrings ripped off the bone yeah and then they're gonna be back somehow the next day

Speaker 1 yeah don't worry

Speaker 1 Because if there's no limit,

Speaker 1 I mean, they could just be taking shit.

Speaker 7 Do they test them, do you think? Do they test them to make sure their heart doesn't doesn't explode while they're out there?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 Do they test them to make sure they're on performance-enhancing traffic?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you need to have them. Should they have one non-enhanced person in pool, in workout, to showcase, you know, like a normal athlete or actual good Olympic athlete?

Speaker 16 I don't know how big the participation is in the enhanced games. We're doing a little research.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 I see pictures of four competitors here.

Speaker 1 Andrey Govrov is in. Come on.

Speaker 1 Christian Golmiv is in.

Speaker 1 Khosiv

Speaker 1 Mlodinov is in.

Speaker 7 Are these pre-enhanced pictures?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, because look, James Magnuson can fit in a t-shirt, can't fit in a t-shirt now.
You should see what Christian Kolomiev looks like now. His mustache triple.

Speaker 1 I mean, these are all massive draws.

Speaker 5 So I like, you know, I get.

Speaker 1 Why don't we just go ahead and say we're interested in competing just to see what we get down there at the bottom?

Speaker 1 the uh the gold of me guy you were just he actually already broke uh the world record a couple days ago in the 50 meter free so he's gonna do it again he's doing it for free we'll see if he can do it on the big stage at the enhanced games in las vegas nevada the world resorts arena i love that too get all these people who just juiced out of their minds fucking send them to vegas hey don't kill anybody don't kill anybody don't get all fucking roided up and boozed up and kill somebody but if you do get a million bucks you can bury him in the desert I'm gonna watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's definitely the clips.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's on ESPN, right?

Speaker 1 I don't think it's secured in ESPN licensing.

Speaker 2 Probably YouTube or something.

Speaker 1 There's a chance. If this goes in, we're watching.
All right. Okay.

Speaker 1 Bang.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Bang.

Speaker 1 I want to watch, damn it.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 Bonus, ball, bonus, ball, bonus, ball.

Speaker 1 Bonus. Oh, oh, oh, nice.
It's never come back. Shout out Job on stage.

Speaker 8 Here you go.

Speaker 4 There it is.

Speaker 1 To enhance. Get to enhance the assets.
To enhance. To enhance for the enhanced game.

Speaker 2 Get it going. Yep.

Speaker 1 That's enough.

Speaker 1 I get the right signs.

Speaker 1 Good luck to everybody out there. All right, be a friend.
Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life.
We're going to stay together. Team on me.
Team on three.

Speaker 1 Let's enjoy tonight's game five. There's a time right around the corner here where we're not gonna have, you know, it's gonna be a lot of baseball.
It's gonna be a lot of baseball.

Speaker 4 Yeah, best time of the year.

Speaker 1 Yes, it is. We're gonna be looking forward to the enhanced games.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 Team on three. Everybody have a great night.
We'll see you tomorrow. One, two, three.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.