PMS 2.0 1349 - Eastern Conference Finals Game 4 Recap, JJ Watt LIVE In Studio, Quentin Richardson, Peter Schrager, Cornell Lacrosse National Champion CJ Kirst, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome.

On this Superstar Wednesday, May 28th, 2025, this program begins now.

Sports are happening all around us, and let's just get right to it.

You saw the massive creature that is sitting on the stage that refused to say anything once the beat dropped, which is a-okay, because I've heard he's a great teammate.

We shall see today.

The toxic tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt, what a treat it is today to have what a legend with us here on the Thunderdome stage.

Unbelievable treat.

I mean, you're talking about turning just a dreary Wednesday into arguably maybe the greatest collective day of our lives.

Superstar Wednesday, of course.

Yeah.

Nine-year NFL vet Darius J.

Butler is sitting where normally one half of the hammer down Cowboys AP Tone seats sits.

And that's because we got a surprise guest that flew in here to Indianapolis, Indiana.

Just shocked.

As soon as the door flew open, we just felt this presence.

It wouldn't be a Superstar Wednesday without the Superstar Superstar.

Yeah, you're right.

The Superstar of all Superstars.

Your favorite favorite superstar is favorite superstar.

That's right.

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us, I don't know all the accolades, okay?

We did not write them down.

No, no, we did not.

He's been defense player year before.

He's MVP before.

The guy obviously is a hero.

He saved the city legitimately.

Raised over $40 million for the city of Houston and didn't do it because, you know, he wanted to glitz and the glamour.

Did it because he felt obligated to do as such, because he was the representative of the city of Houston for so damn long.

As he was the first-round round draft pick for the Houston Texans, they actually boot his ass out of town.

That's crazy.

He gets drafted in the first round of the Houston Texans.

They say, who is this Hwat from Wisconsin?

Get this guy the hell off our team.

What would he end up doing?

Well, he'd become the greatest player in a franchise's history.

Become a man that was not only phenomenal at tackling quarterbacks.

Oh, man.

He was so good at it.

120 plus.

Whoa.

So many of those.

Future First Ballot Hall of Famer because of what he did on the defensive side.

But it's like it twisted on the offensive side, too.

He's got a touchdown.

Exactly.

And then on special teams, because he's so abnormally large,

he was given maximum effort, which abnormal amount of effort given at all times.

Ladies and gentlemen, maybe the superhero of the superstars, J.J.

Watt is here.

Yay!

Thank you.

I'm great.

It's great to be here.

This place is unbelievable.

This is...

Yeah, that's your first trip, huh?

This is really cool.

Yeah, this place is awesome.

First, no.

Yeah, it's his first trip.

He's been doing the show, what, four or five years now?

Yeah.

Yeah, I know what it is, four or five years.

First trip out here.

He's also in the Midwest.

Everyone's in Wisconsin.

He's literally...

Stone's throw.

Yeah, I think you could actually skip.

Yeah, I think you could skip a rock to it.

So the fact that you came today was a surprise.

I want to let you know, positive.

We are very happy you're here.

Aren't we?

That's right.

I feel it.

I can feel it.

I appreciate it.

Yeah, no, I sense it.

I can tell.

It's just such a, you guys are so jacked.

It's so exciting.

We are.

When you walked in here, we were super excited about it.

The only one not Jack's Tone Diggs because he can't share the stage with one of his favorite players of all all time.

Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, let's head over to Hammer.

Don!

Don!

See, JJ, Jesus.

I'll get there.

AP Tunner in there.

Love you, Jake.

Love you.

Ton, we had no idea this guy was coming.

No.

Just a nice little fresh surprise that J.J.

Watt makes an appearance.

And obviously, it's a perfect time to have him because there's a lot of NFL news happening.

And whenever we start talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers and their situation, AP Tun, we will certainly bring you in.

Now, Jake, let's chit-chat about last night.

Did you see what the Indiana Pacers did to the New York Knicks right here in Indianapolis, Indiana game four of the Eastern Conference finals now the Pacers are up three to one

and I'll tell you being in there having a chance to sit second row but also courtside at the same time right alongside the Pacers bench

comes promos right

yeah well Jage you always like to bring up a little bit of heat just promo yeah it was one promo did not know I was getting a microphone Did not know I was getting a microphone.

Would like that to be known because

there was money paid for the seats that we were sitting in, a lot of them, a lot of it, yours,

not my money, was gonna be my money, and then it was uh, somebody else said we could do that, and I said, Yeah, actually, sure, how much

with how much it is, you could certainly do that.

So, I thought there was a chance, like, hey, just come enjoy the game, do the thing.

So, I'm watching them do the shots around the arena of people.

It's like, damn, there's a lot of people here, a lot of ex-pacers here.

Great to see Danny Granger was back in the building, Jermaine O'Neal was back in the building, obviously, Mike.

One of the best jerseys of all time.

If If you owned a Jermaine O'Neill jersey back in the day, that is

true.

Jermaine O'Neill was beloved in this.

I mean, obviously, big pop for him.

There was a lot of superstars out.

Everybody was seemingly there last.

Jellyroll was there last night.

I mean, Triple H, I was obviously alongside.

50 Cent was in the building.

So they're showing all these people.

And I'm like, okay, cool.

Yeah, they're not expecting me, you know, to do anything, you know, because that is like that is a moment in there.

You've had to experience it, obviously, numerous times.

Debut, I think, probably has experienced it at a Florida Panthers game, which we will get to.

They're about to go and win this entire thing again.

But yeah, I was like, cool.

I don't have to do it.

Then fourth quarter comes, guy with camera comes and he goes, hey, can we put you on the thing?

What am I going to say?

No.

You didn't say no there.

I don't think so.

I say, sounds good, man.

Sounds good.

Cool guy, too.

Good, good vibes, good energy.

He's carrying around a camera all night.

You do his thing.

So then the MC in there, who I do know, comes over with the microphone and ears thing.

And he's standing next to me.

And I go, are you interviewing me?

He goes, no, I'm giving you the microphone.

I'm like, oh, I'm cutting a promo here.

Okay.

So now we got about 30, 45 seconds.

So I start started looking around.

I see Spike Lee down there, literally covered up in like a babushka.

I don't know what he had like a thing over there.

I look down at him and I look over to right and it was so cool to see Timothy Chalamet.

First of all, the way Timothy Chalamet has become like

as a chat, they have shit from him as a kid with trying to meet Amari Starnemeyer and everything as a Knicks fan.

Now becoming the face and also becoming like the guy whenever it comes to being a thespian and being an actor and how he wants to do it and what he did at College Game Day.

Seeing him was sweet.

Like very very cool.

Ben Stiller, I grew up watching Ben Stiller.

He's out there for the, I mean, it was just a cool moment, but it was very clear what I needed to do, you know, what the assignment was as soon as I saw him.

Because these guys are all front row.

I mean, they're a part of the show.

They're getting things said to them.

They're getting things said back.

So yeah, 30, 45 seconds, decided to come up with something.

You know, let's send these guys out here.

How we were going to get there, didn't know.

Sons of bitches was certainly not something that was on the mind until I was in the middle of it.

It's like, hmm, I feel like we're going to bring a little bit of a hammer here.

But would like to let them all know, mad respect for coming out.

Mad respect for the amount of sport they're showing the New York Knicks, and also all love.

Timothy Chalamay knew, uh, certainly because he's been inches away at the college game day thing, whenever I saw NNI.

Yeah, he, he, as I had the mic, I look over and he's got a shit-eating grin on his face.

I'm like, well, I think he knows what's about to happen here.

I don't think Ben Stiller knows, and Ben Stiller did not love it from

what I read from Ben Stiller's editor.

Okay,

shut up.

He said it would not happen, it wouldn't not happen in New York.

York.

Okay.

Okay.

It wouldn't happen in Madison Square Garden.

And he said it was weird.

You know, some people were calling me classless in this entire thing.

It's like, hey, it was in, this wasn't on TV.

Okay.

This was, the assignment was, hey, we blew the game in the fourth quarter in game three.

Okay.

I knew that.

We got a lead right now going in.

Let's make sure we turn this shit up a little bit.

Let's turn this shit up.

I get Carlisle going to.

He no sells it.

No look at all.

But then, yeah, I didn't even think about there being a negative reaction, which once again is how I find myself sometimes in a situation where it's like oh that was sweet this whole place just want bananas boys on the bench just went crazy sat down next to my wife she was like hey that was a lot of fun nick con goes okay and then triple h goes unbelievable you're the best

that was whatever i'm like thank you thank you it was really cool and then obviously you know it goes how it goes and that's how the world is but i just want to let everybody know hey the assignment was to turn that some bitch upside down and that's all it was i do apologize that some of them said uh some of the aggregators cut it off before I said let's send them home with their ears ringing you know they just said let's send these sons of bitches back to New York like I was kicking them out of town

well it was a little bit harder than what I was delivering works today for sure what I was delivering was the ears ringing has anybody been

loud is what I was saying send these sons of bitches back to New York with their ears ringing

that's literally what I was saying so it's like I think I aggregate a little different where I'm saying send these sons of bitches out of our fucking shedding You know, I was not saying that.

Has anybody been handed the mic in the fourth quarter of a playoff game before?

Like a fan?

That's unbelievable.

Oh, thank you.

I didn't think about that.

And people.

Like, I don't know if I've ever seen that, like a legit major game, fourth quarter.

They're like, yeah, like it's not.

It's like, here, we're going to hand a mic to this guy and we have no clue what he's going to say.

Yeah, and he does not know he's getting a microphone.

Unless somebody else was told that I was getting a mic and just didn't relay the message out.

And you legitimately had to hype up those guys so much.

Like it had to be just so on that note.

On that note, James Johnson, who needs to be talked about more.

Dog.

Dog.

Absolute weapon.

Does his job perfectly.

Even when he's not in the game, he does his job perfectly.

He comes over, gives me a boom, boom, love that.

Walks away.

I'm like, got that guy on my side.

That's good news.

And that's all you need.

That's literally all it needs.

Turns out.

Do you know who James Johnson is?

Yeah.

Okay.

So he is the enforcer for the Pacers.

I believe is how, I don't know if that's how everybody views him, but that's how I was kind of introduced to who he is.

Hey, this guy's been brought in here basically to make sure Tyrees and the boys, you know, we got a guy in here.

Can Hoop has played multiple times during the playoffs, but he is a black belt, I think, in Judah.

I don't know.

He's a dog.

And he's also six foot 10, whatever the case is.

He's huge.

Sweet look.

Sweet tats, sweet dreads.

Everything is, he's sweet looking.

Grill.

Yeah, he's got an awesome grill.

So his job is to protect the boys, I think.

I thought that was just physically, but in the NBA, because of how close everybody sits on top of you, just like in the NFL, I assume you've had fans yell at you a lot about J.J.

Watt, you suck, whatever it is.

There was a guy, three Knicks fans, front row right here.

They bought those tickets behind the pacers' bench to do exactly what they were doing at the beginning of the game.

They were.

Yelling at Tyrese.

I mean, they were giving it to Tyrese.

This is over Triple H's head because Triple H is sitting right next to Tyrese.

So this is happening over his head, basically.

And that James Johnson guy, as at a timeout, this guy's getting after Tyrese.

He just looks at him, calls him a very strong word, I will say.

Very, very strong word to the Knicks guy.

Now the Knicks guy's attention is completely off of Tyrese.

And now it's talking to James.

And James delivered a verbal assault of this man that was a first-round knockout.

Stronger than sons of bitches.

Yeah, much stronger.

Much, much, much stronger than that.

But old buddy, instead of yelling at Tyrese the the rest of the game, is yelling at James Tyrese.

And I'm like, this guy literally just did his job better.

Jumped on the grenade.

Bingo, yeah.

Because like Tyrese doesn't have to hear it.

Now, granted, Tyrese probably locked in.

He was locked in, too.

It was very cool to watch Tyrese be that locked in.

Also, yelling on bench.

Like that type of thing.

It was cool to watch Tyrese like kind of, because we were on their bench, basically.

It was cool to watch Tyrese work.

But Tyrese didn't have to deal with these guys.

Great shit talkers.

These guys were, these guys were very adamant, good shit talkers.

Instead, their attention goes right to James.

It was a wonderful night.

Wonderful night.

I mean, Tyrese, Wisconsin guy.

I mean, come on, let's give him this credit.

Oh, yeah.

Oshkosh, born and bred,

did end up going to Iowa State.

Would have loved him to stay a Badger.

Well, did you guys offer him?

No, they didn't.

I've asked him the same thing.

I know.

I mean, we've.

I know.

The Badgers didn't think Tyrese Halliburton could play basketball for them?

Crazy.

Wow.

I'd like to go back and redo that.

They didn't offer you coming out of high school,

they did not offer me.

I was too small.

Is there a Wisconsin problem?

Yeah, the Wisconsin people have problems with Wisconsin people?

No, no, not at all.

What's up with your state?

Not at all.

Okay, West Virginia, let's calm it down.

Rich Rodriguez is back, bro.

Let's calm it down.

Everybody's got to be awesome.

Rich Rod's back, brother.

I see your Iowa flags on the floor.

I see you kind of understand what's happening over there.

No, that's not wrestling.

Yeah, I see what's happening.

JJ, how did the Iowa, Wisconsin game go this way?

Not good.

Not good.

Not good, man.

I'll tell you what, that one is the one that one hurts because that's like a direct one-to-one comparison.

And to get the shit kicked out of us there hurt um it's coming back around okay you're a wiscon guy you know tyree since high school i assume long time i don't i didn't know him personally you know of him you're a fan of his obviously coming out of wisconsin state champ yeah because you had that log cabin remember you had in wisconsin throughout the years yeah just had a little log cabin he built his yeah he's got a small studio here yeah no i've never said

i've never said thunderdome isn't i said it was a log cabin it was a log cabin that's true

i think it was a four season thing was look out out of logs.

Yeah, they put logs on the outside of a four seasons.

I mean, when I saw the gimmick, it was a great gimmick.

I saw his house.

It wasn't a gimmick.

I said I had a log cabin.

I lived in a cabin made out of logs.

Yeah.

It was a little bit large, but it was still made out of logs.

I didn't know there was a size limit on cabins.

I think it's the LED lights around the TV in the log cabin.

You know, just my thoughts of what a log cabin is?

You know, you don't have the Jordan shoe rack.

The wood-burning stove.

Yeah, you don't have a pizza man.

I had a wood-burning stove.

I had a wood burning stove.

Nonetheless, beautiful home over there.

Yeah.

Okay.

And you followed Wisconsin.

So you knew Tyree since he was a high schooler.

I have not known him long enough, but I do know that he's potentially a superstar.

Well, I mean,

probably take the potential off.

Well, there's debate.

Not everybody's

debate.

It's the small market shit.

Yeah, agreed.

That legitimately is what it is, isn't it?

No doubt.

So they pulled up the definition earlier.

We thought that was a good play.

We figured we'd do the same thing.

Let's hear what Merriam-Webster has to say.

And that's the authority.

Yeah.

Merriam, for a long time, has been saying this is what a word is.

This is what a word isn't.

Whatever you say to it.

I've actually had somebody tell me that Merriam-Webster a little lazy on a definition of a word before.

One of the greatest lines I've ever heard from somebody.

That's a lazy definition.

I'm saying you're calling Merriam-Webster lazy.

Kind of mailed it in, but that's the authority that Merriam-Webster has.

So let's read the definition for a superstar, shall we, JJ?

What?

Let's do it.

One, okay, this is the first one.

Sure.

This first definition of a superstar.

A star, parentheses, as in sports or the movies, TC, Tom Cruise.

Right, right.

Socks at Bush.

Biggest,

and parentheses, who is considered extremely talented.

Is Tyrese considered extremely talented?

Let's go last night, does something nobody in the history has ever done before.

Got to a point where Tyrese actually said during his post-game press conference, he said, I feel like we're making up stats now to make me look good.

But yeah, whenever you have a triple double with 30 plus points and no turnovers, people are going to say, wait a minute, this guy's doing something we've never seen before.

He's on very short lists of very great players to do all the things that he's doing basically every single night.

Biggest game of the year, Eastern Conference finals.

Everybody on earth knows that whoever wins this game is probably going to end up winning the series.

If the New York Knicks come into Indiana and steal two after winning two in the garden it's over it's going to be a new york knicks series the knicks are going to the finals in the biggest game with triple h there yeah with his pops back in the building bingo

with fifth exactly boy jelly roll yeah timothy chalamate Ben Silatrav, he has his biggest night, triple double.

So I'd say he's extremely talented.

Let's go back to that definition.

Post-comma.

Stop me if I'm wrong on any of this, JJ.

You got a big ring.

Has great public appeal.

Well, i guess in new york probably not right yeah

or milwaukee yeah but is there anywhere other than those cities like do places exist other than those cities la

couple los angeles i guess that is a place that exists boston how about miami Does our city exist or it does?

Indianapolis would be included.

Sometimes people tend to forget.

So let's go to public appeal.

Is this guy liked?

Oh, let's go to one of his game winners from this playoff run, series winner.

Yeah, I'd say he has some public appeal.

around Pan.

Yeah, but Indianapolis isn't anywhere near as big as other cities are.

Okay, so it's not a public place anymore.

It's not a public forum.

He has public appeal.

That's James Johnson hugging him, saying, I got you, dog.

If anybody talks in the front row, I'm going to say terrible things to them.

And they're going to get mad at me.

Instead of being mad at you, I'll keep them distracted.

So he has public appeal, right, JJ?

That'd be the second part of that.

I agree.

Now let's go to the third one there.

And can usually command a high salary.

That's a funny one.

That's a funny one to be included in this.

Yeah, that's a superstar.

It's impossible.

It's true.

It's kind of the Trey Hendrickson conversation right now.

Yeah, which we will certainly get into.

Average star, not really paid.

Sure.

Superstar going to command a high salary.

Is Tyrese getting paid?

I believe he's a max player, yeah.

Oh, he's a max player.

So we're just checking all the boxes of what Merriam-Webster says is a superstar, I would say.

Yep.

So we just want to let Tyrese know that our tiny little program here in this tiny little city that

does not have racist WNBA fans?

Yeah.

Confirms.

That's what WNBA fans confirm.

That's what they said.

Wow.

That's crazy.

That maybe would be good if it makes it to the finals, as opposed to everybody saying it'd be terrible if this team makes it to the NBA finals on television.

Okay.

You don't think you're creating a potential

we want war with you type

narrative?

If your team wins, it's terrible for the entire league.

Your fans are racist.

Your guy is not a superstar.

Your player is is overrated it's like okay okay okay okay okay okay we're hearing a lot but just know that tyrese halliburton pasco siakam nemhart nee smith tj mcconnell and the boys have this city rally and this city ready last night was a great indicator of it and tyrese you're our superstar we're appreciative of you tyrese we're appreciative

i mean new york they're naming streets after every single player on the roster in new york city i mean that's that's a very large city but they haven't won what do you do here whoa whoa whoa in a long time this team has

I will say, watching Jalen Brunson live is outrageous.

Very good.

He's able to score whenever he wants.

And it's like, if he even gets an open look, it's like back when Steph Curry was doing his thing.

If he just gets an open look, it's like, oh, that's going to fall.

Like, it's not like he might miss this one, especially when he has that little mid-range shit he does.

Unbelievable.

Three, if he has any room, it's going to fall.

He is

great to watch in person.

Very legit.

Very.

Carl Anthony Towns, I think he's getting a little tired.

He had that 20-point fourth quarter in game three.

He obviously had some big plays last night.

Watching the amount of running, I'm like,

how is he?

You're a big man.

Big, big man.

Big big man.

Big, huge.

I don't know how you keep up with it, to be honest.

No, I like six, second plays.

I'm a big six-seconds guy.

Oh, he's not retired yet.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is retired.

Played in the NBA for 13 years?

Yeah, he's been around.

Been there, done that.

Has a great shot.

Says he doesn't run much anymore.

Mad respect.

Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the program, co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast, Quentin Richardson.

Yeah,

Jude, we just had to break down the definition of superstar there just to see what Merriam-Webster's thoughts were.

And obviously, we're riding high with the Pacers getting a big win over the New York Knicks last night.

What are your thoughts on the entire conversation?

This Pacers team is a real deal, Q.

This Pacers team is a real deal.

Watching them live last night, that's a lot of running.

I don't know how, I guess OKC does the same thing, but it's a lot of running fast.

And as soon as the other teams score, as soon as the Knicks score, their entire bench is like, ah, ah, ah.

It's like a,

it's high tempo all the time.

A lot of teams do this.

Is this a new thing?

And what are your thoughts on this Pacers team, Q?

Man, I like what the Pacers are doing, man.

They're doing what they're supposed to do, man.

They seizing the moment, and now they got a chance to go to the NBA Finals.

As far as the superstar conversation, man, I think if you ask Tyrese himself, we get like, as far as us in the media, we getting too big on labels.

It doesn't really matter.

when you look at it you said it tyrese getting a max contract he's balling he's making he he's he's he's been on the all-star team he was been on the olympic team i think the real thing you only desire from a from a player standpoint like you said you got the money don't lie we all want the money that's one of the top first things you want the money he got the max money and then you want the respect from your peers like when you get done like the whole overrated thing that was a joke that's a joke whatever but i mean you at the end of the day when you get through playing i think all athletes want to have the respect of their peers.

Because, I mean, the media, that's going to come and go because some people may like you, may not like you.

But I'm talking about when you get down in the trenches and they got to go and hoop against you, I know he has to have the respect of everybody to play against him.

Because look what he's doing.

Like you said, a 30-point triple-double, but with zero turnovers and the high usage he has, how much he has the ball in his hand.

It's not like he's out here playing it safe.

He's doing all type of stuff, no looks.

and everything else.

So what he's doing is incredible.

And I think when he gets done,

his body of work will speak for itself.

Yeah, I appreciate you saying that.

And I agree.

And Tyrese, I think he hears the noise because he's young.

So obviously he has social media.

He bans himself from social media during the series, though.

I think that's a good play.

I think that's a good play.

His dad will keep an eye on things.

His family will keep an eye on things.

But like, the way he handles himself, the way he has represented this city has been a beautiful thing.

He's, what, 24?

Yeah, 24, 25, or six.

Whatever he is.

He's still young.

He's very, very young.

And I think we're all incredibly pumped for what the future possibilities are here in Indiana.

OKC, Indiana.

I don't want to look ahead.

Obviously, we still have to win the series against the New York Knicks.

Winning in Madison Square Garden would be bananas.

Okay, that would be spectacular if that was to take place.

If they win another one, hey, that's okay.

We'll come back here to Indiana and do our thing, hopefully.

And I have nothing but respect for that Knicks team.

The way they've been able to battle and play is insane.

And Carl Anthony, he's so big.

Carl Anthony Towns is so big, Hugh Rich.

He is, I don't think I expected how

like he's round.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He is a, he, and he's, they're running him.

A lot of hand gestures going on there.

A lot of hand gestures going on there.

Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying.

He's driving the big guy.

I don't want to call him fat because I don't think he's fat.

I think it's, but he is well built.

He is like a round guy.

Stocky.

Stocky.

That's good.

He's like a a stocky gentleman.

So I'm very interested in his girth that's going on.

It's just a lot of.

Those are your words, JJ, you pig.

Oh, my God.

Say I'm Adam.

See it.

Cheers.

We ain't have to ask you to play, JJ.

We ain't got the action played.

Yeah, but he's probably well hung.

I mean, come on.

Yeah, I think he's good at hoop.

We talk about who, bro.

Yeah, whatever he is.

From the rim.

Yeah, he's very good.

But what I'm saying is, watching these guys live and seeing them in person, you always forget.

Like watching on TV, you too, I assume.

How tall are you?

6'6.

That's what I'm saying.

That's just like standard.

So whenever you see how big Carl Anthony Towns was and how much he was running, I'm like, how does anybody keep up with this Pacers team for seven games?

It's like Pasco Siakam.

Obviously, he's gigantic.

He can run all day.

I think he can literally run all day.

Does OKC play that same style?

And how long has this been happening?

How long has this been a style that teams play with?

Man, I think since since Golden State was able to show that they could win a championship, you know what I'm saying, with this with the small ball lineup, that was, you know, pretty much everybody tried to copy and paste.

So now you see a lot of fours, like one through four, you got smaller guys, and then you got one big guy out there.

It's a lot of four out, one in, or just flat out five out with pick and roll being played.

And these guys, I mean, like you say, you're talking about Cat.

He's used to this, man, in Minnesota his whole career when he was younger.

He's a guy who's always gotten up and down the court well and played on the outside and played inside.

So, I mean,

he's equipped for this.

And I mean, most of these guys, you look at like, if you look at a guy like Rudy Golbert, who's really like 7'4, whatever he is, the Wimby's that 7'4, 7'5, like the league is a strange place, man, because you say, like, I'm 6'6, and I go out there and I do not look big on the court.

I look average and regular size.

And then it's a difference when you walk into the real world.

But when you're in the gym and you're playing in the league and even in college, now, everybody's huge, man.

These guys are tall, 7-footers, 7-2, 6'11, 6'9.

And it's like, man, like, you look at a guy like McDaniels.

He's like 6'9 out there on the court.

And he doesn't look like it when he's out there running around with those guys.

Moving, too.

I mean, it is just, it's gassers.

There's running gassers.

That was my biggest takeaway last night, other than the fact that the arena was awesome.

The Pacers are great.

Tyrese is a dog.

Siakam's a dog, like everything about that.

But whenever you just think about the sport that's being played in front of your eyes, it's like they're so gigantic and they're just running so much.

I don't know how you guys do it.

82-game season.

Physical.

Yeah, people are talking about, you know, like taking a break and what they call it?

Load management.

Load management or whatever.

It's like, I bet you if I was in a league, which I never would be, but let's say I was born six foot seven and I had an absolute wet jumper.

Yeah, just a wet jumper.

And they had me running a lot.

If I was given an opportunity, probably, hey, do you want to take tonight off?

I think I would probably,

I think I would have probably said yes to that because of.

And these dudes are so talented.

Like today's game, like the right now at present day, you could go from the top to the bottom of the roster and it's more guys that could do a little everything that's got so much talent than it's ever been in the history of the game.

Like when we like, you know, earlier generations, you had guys like a Reggie Miller.

He was just, he was a shooter.

He was a sniper.

That's what he's going to be legendary for.

Now you got guys just like Steph Kirby that's like the he's the N1 ball handle king.

He's AI.

He's Reggie Miller.

He's a bunch of of guys wrapped up into one.

Same thing when you look at a guy like Pascal Siakim.

He's like, you know, he's a wing guy, but he's a post guy.

He doesn't miss mid-ranges.

He'll dunk on you.

He rebounds.

He defends.

It's like these guys are so talented and so gifted.

And then, like you said, 6'10, 6'11, Wimby, 7'5, playing like a guard, doing different things.

The level of talent and the abilities these guys have.

all in one player it's never been seen before how how many of these guys can do so much stuff that needs to be showcased more because on TV, it just looks normal.

You know, like 6'6 just looks like 5'11 whenever you watch on TV.

And whenever I go to a game, I'm like,

I forgot how fucking gigantic because they're walking right in front of me too.

They're walking right in front of me.

And it's like, holy shit, I forgot that you are one of one.

What did you want to say, Jage?

QR, I have a question for you.

You obviously played 13 years.

You've seen the game transition over time.

As we talk about this, have you seen the training, whether it's the weight room, whether it's running, evolve over time?

I know even in the NFL, we're seeing obviously kids are in these programs starting young.

So athletes are just getting bigger, stronger, and faster.

Is the NBA similar or is that more about a skill like shot making?

No, it's all in one.

The skills and the shot make, I mean, it's obvious.

Like we replicate what we see.

So now they've been able to see all of these different things and they're able to put it all together.

But the training has absolutely gone barns.

Like these kids are getting trained at such a high level at a young age.

That's why they're able to do so many different things because they get in the gym and they train, train train train the difference between this generation and our generation we we didn't train nearly as much we went to parks we went to courts open gyms and we played all day long played against each other and that was like our work that was that was more of the work we did we tried different things we figured different things out but now the the skill level is so high because of the level of training they're getting they're getting training it's starting at six seven years old on up and they they they training with they these guys grow up and they say i got a guy i got a trainer that's that's been training me for this this long and like they they develop these skills and be when you're going in the gym at a young age and you're actually focused and honing in on putting in work on different things they got no choice but to get better and you seeing that out on the court i mean obviously you know the coaches and different things would rather some things be honed in but when you just look at these guys individually and you look at the level of skill that they have and the different things and the tools they have it's incredible man when you see so many guys that could do so many different things, when the earlier generations, it was kind of focused on this guy can do this, this guy could do that, and now these guys is putting all of this in their own tool bag.

I mean, that goes into a much larger conversation about the state of the game and, you know, the skill of the game versus the quality, like all that.

I mean, there's just like it happens in football, it happens in every sport.

Certainly happens in the NBA.

It was an honor to watch everybody do their thing last night.

That was right in front of me.

That was early.

Yeah, that was nice to see.

That was nice to see.

And he has such an abnormal shot.

Yeah.

That thing's falling, though.

Oh, yeah.

And then his free throws, too, the way he shoots them, it's like it's fallen.

He's looking to assist every single time.

And then Ben Matherin got in in relief of Tyrese.

Tyrese got like extended minutes of just chilling on the sideline.

And it was like you looked over.

He had a heat pack on his back, had a little heat pack on his legs.

And it's like every minute they steal with him on the bench, it's like good for the long term whenever they go and run it.

It's like, I love what they're doing over there.

Now let's go to the West, shall we?

Debut, go ahead.

Big game, big must-win game for the Timberwolves coming up.

They're one, two-punch.

Kind of been inconsistent.

Ant-Man last game, you know, didn't score a bunch, didn't get enough shots, in my opinion.

And then Julius Randle has been very up and down when it comes to putting the ball in the bucket.

What can they do there to get those two guys going against OKC?

Obviously, man, I think Ant's shot...

Shot output kind of is predicated on what everybody else is doing.

Like if everybody else isn't playing well and nobody's posing any threats, that gives the OKC Thunder more room to load up and to shadow him and to put more eyes on him everywhere he's going.

That's what he's seeing when he's saying that he didn't feel like he had a bad game because he made the right plays.

Because you got to understand, as the ball handler, when you come down or you come off a screen or you're going to make a drive, and when you look at the basket and look at the lane, you see three to four different sets of eyes and you see long arms in the lane.

You see guys shading over and different things like that.

That's trouble.

You don't just drive into that.

So to his credit, he was making

the best plays but he still as the superstar that team as the guy he has to find a way with the way they're playing them to get more shots up and to be more productive for his team as far as Julius Randle goes this was the reason that I was nervous in this series because he had been outstanding throughout the end of the second half of the season and going down the stretch in these playoffs the first two seasons series he was he was out of control balling hooping for them and he needed to stay at that level for them to have a chance in this series and that hasn't happened so for me that was going to be the difference in the series.

If he could go and still be that guy averaging 24 around 6-6, they would be in a different predicament because then Anthony Edwards would have more room to do his thing.

But with him not being able to do that and being up and down, and the other players being inconsistent as well, they've been able to load up and give Anthony Edwards all the problems in the world.

Hey, that's why depth is such a

important thing this time of year, right?

Because if one of your superstars isn't, you know, making everything like they had been for a while, somebody else could step up.

That's just Pacers team.

The Pacers team in a nutshell is like we have different guys that'll step up every single night.

Tyrese is the facilitator who's going to make it all happen.

That's why he doesn't always have the most amount of points because he's running the offense.

He's the coach on the court.

He's point guard, obviously, who can also score, obviously, had 30 plus last night.

But it's like we have a plethora of, feels like Oklahoma City too, deep, right?

Is that the right thing?

And if you look at the Pacers, what did Sean say?

Seventh or eighth lowest?

Payroll?

Payroll, yep.

I assume Oklahoma City, I don't know what it is, but I would assume similar, not the big markets.

They about to deliver a whole bank, not the Brinkstruck, a whole bank about to be sitting at Shag's Door this time.

You can believe he's about to get about close to 400 million.

He's going to be, whoo, you're talking about pay.

He's about, it's about, I think it's, I think the number is like 379, 380 or something to be exact.

But it's, yeah, they about not a drink.

Oklahoma?

Yeah, 70.

Could you imagine $380 million in Oklahoma City?

Holy shit.

Woo.

Geez.

Good for him.

You could probably bought it.

Yeah, good for him.

Very good for him.

You remember Matt Stafford got drafted number one overall?

They gave him $60 million or something like that before he even stepped foot into the NFL or Detroit.

And I thought to myself, like, $60 million at that point in Detroit.

I think he could have...

Bought the whole city.

Yeah, definitely.

That was right off F the recession.

Yeah, tough times in Detroit at that time.

I remember he just sold it a couple years ago and I saw the pictures.

It was a badass.

Was it a log cabin?

No, it was much nicer.

It was on a lake, I believe.

Oh, beautiful.

Lake cabin.

Don't fall into this QR.

Don't fall into this.

Okay, so depth matters.

Minnesota might not have as much.

OKC definitely does.

We, the Pacers, have a lot of depth.

Watching the Knicks, I think Tibbs played like 10 guys last night or something like that.

And on Sunday, when they got a win, he played nine guys.

I think that matters a lot.

But I also think the person that's kind of directing the traffic is very important in basketball.

I know in some sports, I think we heard Biz talk about the hockey where he said coaching, yeah, it's a lot of reactionary stuff.

Dump the puck, you react how you do that.

Basketball, it feels like this stage, coaching very much matters.

Go ahead, Con Man.

Yeah, Q Rich, it feels like Rick Carlisle is kind of the elder statesman of the coach's left.

He became top 10 in playoff wins last night with that victory and with them possibly going to the finals in the OKC and Timberwolves coaches being a little bit younger than him.

It feels like they have that advantage.

How important is that for Rick Carlisle?

And then kind of a separate question as well.

Pat talked about James Johnson, kind of the vibes he brings to the Pacers bench and locker room.

How important is it to have that vet kind of OG like James Johnson who can kind of set the tone for everybody?

And is that someone Rick Carlisle uses to make sure his message is getting across in the locker room?

Yeah, man,

Rick Carlisle has been a championship coach and a very good coach in this league for a long time now.

So I'm not surprised at all about what he, the job he's been able to do.

He's been coach of the year in this league.

His teams always have an identity, and

they represent what he wants them to represent.

And so I'm not surprised at the job he's doing at all.

He's been doing this his way for a long time.

And I think it does work because he's very connected with this Indiana team.

He has an extension from himself as far as Tyrese Halley Burton, who's a true point guard, who checks in and they see out of eye the whole game.

So I think he's a huge deal for them.

As far as JJ, man, yeah, I'm a firm believer that the teams need that guy in the locker room.

It's a true veteran, and he's also a true enforcer.

But I mean, the thing about JJ is that you've seen he got thrown in the game the other day.

He got right in there, scored some buckets, and did his thing.

He's not just some physical intimidator or enforcer out there.

If you give him minutes, he can actually still play.

And I'm sure he proves that on a daily basis the whole season long in practice.

And he wouldn't have the voice and the place he has on that team if he wasn't that type of dude who's going to go out there in practice.

He's in the struggle.

He's in the fight with them.

He's going through the hard, rigorous, all of the stuff they got to do.

So he's boots on the ground.

But they all know at the same time that he got hands and everybody know it and he not somebody that you really want to have problems with.

He like a black belt or something.

He known for being about that life.

So, you know what I'm saying?

Like everybody knows that.

And you don't earn that reputation, you know what I'm saying, without doing certain things.

And he's taking those steps.

He's taking those fines.

And people who know and are aware of that.

And so, you know,

that come with a little badge when you do what you got to do.

He,

last night, the way he was able to direct this fan's attention.

This fan, I don't know if you heard me tell the story earlier or not.

This fan, front row, great shit talker.

New York City shit talker.

I mean, he was right behind us, so I got to hear it.

Great persistence, good tone, good delivery, good

emphasis.

You know, on the slide.

Good shit talker.

Clearly was a good shit talker.

At Tyree, Tyrese.

Boom, boom, boom.

And then just James out of nowhere, just let me go ahead and take that attention right here, buddy.

And then that guy was just talking shit down the bench to James for the rest of the game.

And it's like, now Tyrese doesn't have to deal with this guy who's four feet behind him for the rest of the game.

It's like, even that little thing, I'm like, genius.

That is such a good play.

And then you talk about him getting on the court.

I think he still had.

Yeah, he still had his bracelet on.

I think he had the bracelets on, too.

He gets out there, obviously, does his thing.

It's like, to your point, have to be good at ball for anybody to respect you.

That's, that's number one one in this entire thing, especially in the NBA.

For the NFL, it's the same.

If you bring a vet into the locker room and

the guy stinks, you know,

the locker room's probably not going to respect the guy.

Even like,

you know, they might like him as a person, probably not going to respect the guy.

Even if the coaches are trying their best to make this guy be the veteran leader of the team, you know, giving game balls out and stuff to guys.

Sure.

You know?

Usually it's a relationship with that player and that coach.

Yes, that comes together.

Yeah, and it's kind of like it.

Half a pressure.

Game ball.

Oh.

Yeah, that happened in our,

it was tough.

It was putting that guy in a bad spot.

No, oh, it's putting him in a horrible spot.

Yeah, but he had to just walk out there and say, yeah, here we go, boys.

And we loved him as a guy.

But it was certainly a situation where it was like, this ain't real.

Okay.

We need to maybe pick somebody else to do this with.

I feel like the NBA is probably, all professional sports are probably the same way.

The locker room knows immediately.

You got to be genuine.

Yeah.

And James does a lot of talking, too.

He is a chirper.

Yeah, and when he went in against the Cavs, we were kind of reminded about it yesterday.

He went in against the Cavs and basically just set a screen on Max Struce and just buried him

immediately.

Yeah.

Incredible.

This Pacers team is my habit.

All right, anyways, we will continue to follow

this Eastern Conference finals and Western Conference finals until inevitably it's Indiana versus Oklahoma City, which is good for the NBA.

Certainly.

Because we do we think it's a long series?

Oh, yeah.

If it's the other teams?

Oh.

No.

No.

Everybody's talking about business, business, business, business, business.

Seven games, probably better than four or five.

Yeah, last year it was five and

it stunk unless you were Celtics.

Yeah, so I think that's what we should be looking for.

Now, granted.

Basketball is good business.

That's the good business.

Whoever's playing the good basketball.

Bingo.

Yes.

That is, that is.

That is sports.

That is sports.

Now, granted, I can see how New York involved in anything is good for ratings because there's so many people.

So many people over there.

That is certainly a valid conversation, but like six, seven games, a lot better than four or five games if we're just talking business, business, business, business all the time, which is what everybody seems to be.

Yeah, it's not bad business if the Indiana Pacers are in this.

It's like, what if they're the best team?

That's bad business for the best team to be in the finals.

That seems like a dumb thing.

Nonetheless, we'll continue to fall.

This offseason, though, Q, is about to be a term that

we've never heard.

Go ahead, Ty.

Yeah, Q, we had Shams on the show yesterday, and he said, I quote, this might might be the most craziest offseason ever.

His words, not ours.

Correct.

Now, when you take that into account, do you agree with that?

Do you think we're going to see a bunch of players changing teams that kind of changes like the dynamic of the NBA as a whole?

Obviously, some of these teams, like the Pacers and the Thunder, probably aren't going to look a whole lot different, but there is, you know, a possibility that KD's on a new team and Giannis is on a new team and all these different superstars.

Do you think that's going to happen this season?

Are we going to see a lot of household names change teams?

I don't know about how many, but I do know normally when you have that type of seismic activity with a Giannis or KD potentially moving, there's always moves made after that.

So, I mean, you know, when those type of names are looming going into the summer, you can expect that this is like going to be a big summer.

I mean, Shams is paid to know way more than I do.

So maybe he knows some other things that might be on the brink of happening that I don't know.

But yeah, I mean, I'm excited for it, man.

I'm super excited to just see and watch everything that's going to happen and see how things unfold and how it play out.

Because, I mean, I definitely think when you got, when it's potentially a KD and a Giannis moving,

it's no telling what else could happen.

And on the heels of a KD, I mean, an AD for Luca trade.

So, you know, right now, it's anything could happen.

Everybody's still trying to jockey and position themselves after that Luca and AD trade.

So I definitely believe it's going to be some stuff going on this summer.

You're great for basketball, Q, Rich.

We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

Enjoy your day.

All right, fellas, appreciate y'all.

Hey, Pacers in

five, or how's this thing go?

I don't know, man.

I think, I definitely think they gonna, New York gonna throw the kitchen sink at them.

I don't think they just gonna lay down.

I think they could get this one in the garden, and then I think Indiana comes back and does its thing.

I don't think it goes past game six, because if it goes past game six, the Knicks gonna win.

Yeah, we know, yeah, let's take it easy.

I don't think it's gonna go down.

Right about to keep the kitchen sink from the Knicks and the garden, and then when they come back, the Pacers got to throw the kitchen sink at them and try and put them down.

Yeah, I don't think I helped the entire situation over there in Master Square Garden, I don't think, either.

Ladies and gentlemen, Claim Lucas said, Thanks, Judge.

Thank you, Rich.

What'd you say there, JJ?

I thought you were talking about the next series.

I thought you were talking about the next.

No, no, no.

Come on, come on, come on, come on.

What do you think about this?

We don't look towards the future.

There's a lot of looking towards the future.

There is a lot of looking towards the future, especially in the city of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

So let's talk about it.

What do you know, Jage?

Who's going to be the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I mean, I don't have any inside information.

I would assume the same as everybody else, it'll most likely be Aaron Rodgers.

Your head is

six-size.

Hey, just kicked that earpiece out of your left ear there, said see you later.

You think Aaron Rodgers is going to be the quarterback?

Are you hearing anything from the inside sources?

No, I'm not.

I'm literally not.

But I would assume that seems to be the way that all directions are pointing.

Let's go to one half of the Hammer.

Don.

Cowboys currently residing in Hammer.

Don.

Don.

AP Tone.

Tone.

Any Pittsburgh Steelers, insider questions for J.J.

Watt?

Because he certainly has information.

This is going to be like an AJ Hawk type scenario, but let's see how he dances.

Yeah, I almost regret asking this because it has been so quiet, and I don't want people to talk about it.

But there is still the contract looming out there.

Jay just got, or sorry, TJ has got one year left on his contract.

Is there any update on that situation?

You don't need to regret anything.

It's okay.

All right.

I made a mistake.

I mean, it's a television show.

It's fine.

Coming

up.

Coming off the bench here.

I haven't talked in 30 minutes.

You got to kill me.

I'm sorry.

Oh, good segment.

Good segment.

Oh, wait.

Whoa, he regretted something.

No, I do.

I mean, I have a lot of information on that subject.

That's not my subject to discuss.

Okay, so you are JJ, not TJ.

So you don't feel like you should be the one speaking on TJ's situation with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Let's talk about defensive ends and quarterback tacklers as a whole then.

Okay.

Because TJ is probably seeing the same thing.

We won't make you say, we will say the things that we assume TJ has seen in the situation that TJ is currently in.

TJ, obviously, I think going into the last year of his contract,

very much below what the current market is, especially for the best pass rushers in all football.

Miles Garrett just cracked open.

Okay, a vault in Cleveland.

Now, this is a Cleveland move to pay top money, maybe over money for their pillar players.

If they think they're a pillar player or know they're a pillar player, this has been Haslam's move.

$40 million for Miles Garrett.

Now, we know you probably wouldn't have retired if you knew the $40 million a year was possible for the defensive end position.

So I will speak that for you.

But everybody else that got paid this offseason, huge numbers.

Teege down there towards the bottom of the money, let alone the guaranteed money left on contracts.

Trey Hendrickson down there at the bottom as well.

Trey Hendrickson's story is much louder than TJ's story because Trey Hendrickson has come out and said like, hey, you've kicked can down the road three years now, basically, with me.

Either pay me or trade me is kind of his messaging in Super Bowl.

Since then, there's still been no conversation.

Ownership of the Bengals said, sometimes some of these players just need to be happy with what they got.

And Trey Hendricks is, what are we talking about?

Seriously?

I'm literally the sacking.

So whenever you see this market happening, and then obviously you have family involved in this type of situation and it's brewing, and then you see what's happening with Trey Hendrickson, a man who I assume you know and get along with well.

What are your thoughts on it?

And how do you think it all ends up kind of settling out?

I've long been a big believer that ownership and front offices obviously treat this like a business, but they do not like it when the players flip the script on them and treat it like a business back.

Taking care of your guys earlier does a few things for you.

Number one,

it gets them locked in at a lower price in the long run.

I mean, you look at what prices are doing every single year.

You get them locked in at a lower price.

Number two, you're keeping them happy.

Because even even now, let's say, look at Trey Hendrickson's situation.

Let's say they pay him now.

Now there's all this resentment, there's all this animosity, and yeah, $40 million or whatever it is cures a whole lot of that, and he's going to act like everything is great and everything is wonderful.

But you just went through a whole bunch of time where there was some disrespect, where there's some hurt feelings, and now you're going to go back into a building and act like everything's okay.

If you take care of things early, especially when players want to take care of things earlier and say that they'll take less money to take care of things earlier because it sets themselves up long-term financially,

do that.

Because if you don't do that, that's when the problems start to arise.

And now all of a sudden you say, hey, we have to kick this can down the road because of the way everything's working out.

You kick the can down the road, the can gets a whole lot bigger.

And then the player says, well, the can's a lot bigger now, fill it up.

And you don't want to fill it up because you say, well, we have to pay all these other guys, we have to take care of these other things.

It's like, well, I wanted to fill the can way back down here when it was a little soup can.

Now we got ourselves a garbage pail.

Hey, that's on you.

Hey, that's on

the situation, the amount of risk, you know, involved in it all.

Because if you're willing to take less earlier, there's a reason you're willing to take less because it's setting you up for comfort.

There's something else coming alongside of it.

But if you're going to make me take the risk of playing this entire thing, potentially ending my career, potentially getting an injury, potentially whatever the case is, and then that means the other thing,

the comfort has been very low.

So there is a fee for the comfort here.

That is how business, that is literally how business goes.

Exactly.

And we've seen Trey say it publicly.

The team says that they're going to talk to you early in the year we're going to get this thing done we just just let us get through this season and then we'll make sure we take care of it early and then you come early in the offseason and you say hey let's take care of this we said we were going to do this early you said it was going to all be all of a sudden it's crickets all of a sudden it's silence or it's hey we have to get through the combine hey we have to get through free agency it's like whoa whoa whoa we talked about last year you said if we kicked the can down the road we were going to take care of it We're not taking care of it.

Yeah, the resentment's a real deal.

That's just like Miles Garrett.

Everybody was like, Miles Garrett said all those things about wanting to win and not just being a highly paid player or whatever.

And then they're like, well, 40 million can make up for it.

It's like, it can.

You know, I think obviously 40 million having satin sheets in a massive log cabin probably over there in Cleveland can certainly help out.

But inevitably, he's going to have to lay his head down at night whenever things aren't going well and be like, is this the right decision?

You know, we saw Tyreek down in Miami.

Tyreek takes a massive payday from the Miami Dolphins as opposed to potentially less money in Kansas City.

Tyreek's certainly worthy of the money.

I'm not saying he wasn't, but there came a point now where he's like, I would like to win some games and get back in meaningful football.

So there's always a fine balance in your decision making.

But anytime people sacrifice comfort and make people risk, there's going to be a fee that comes alongside of that.

That's why what the Philadelphia Eagles did with Saquon, Saquon Barkley this year, they just re-upped him out of nowhere.

That came out of nowhere for us.

We got a text literally like, hey, Saquon might be getting a new deal.

And I'm like, Saquon?

Didn't he have like two years, three years left on his deal?

They're like, yeah, they just want to kind of compensate him.

for what he did for the team early and let him know.

It's like you tell the whole locker room, like, hey, if you do the right shit here and you perform for for us, we're going to pay you.

You have Saquon locked in now for three years, whatever, happy that he got paid big in the long run.

And then you also give a message to your fan base, like, hey, we invest in the people that do good shit here.

It's like such a good thing to do.

It's also a conversation that we've seen start to bubble up a little bit about cash rich ownership versus cash poor ownership and who has the ability to pay big money up front and lay it out over void years on the back end versus other owners who can't afford to put that money in escrow at the moment right now.

That's a conversation I know that they're seeing at the league level that they're trying to start to find a solution to because there's teams and there's ownership that has the ability to do some incredible things from a contract standpoint that other teams literally can't do.

You had a nuttle in the head too.

Like it's bigger than just that player.

That message to the locker room.

That's a big deal, especially for a guy like Trey Henderson, who has been everything, not only on the field, but off the field as far as character.

He's done everything right.

You talked about Saquon.

Buffalo did it with Josh Allen, giving him a brand new deal with I think three years, two or three years left on his deal.

And it just says, hey, you do the right things.

We're going to take care of you.

Continue to do it and you'll fall in line.

Philly, not only Saquon, they signed AJ, Devontae, I think Milada.

Zach Johnson got the new deal.

Zach Bond got rewarded for his year.

So like, hey, you should.

Shari.

And to JJ's point, take care of it early.

Two years down the line, it's going to be a completely different ballgame.

That's a perfect point.

You're sending a message to the locker room.

If you handle your business, if you do your job, we will take care of you.

I looked at the Texans with Nico Collins.

His deal right now looks like one of the best deals in football because they took care of him early.

He played well.

They saw what he was doing.

They took care of him early.

Now they take care of Derek Stingley early.

Next year, they're going to have to worry about C.J.

Stroud and Will Anderson.

They'll take care of them.

It's just one of those things where if you show the locker room, do things the right way, we'll pay you.

All of a sudden, your culture handles itself because

nobody in the locker room's in a corner talking about, I wonder if they're going to pay him.

Are they not going to pay him?

Everybody's just like, oh, wow, this place treats us good.

We should treat them good in return.

What is the big issue trying to deem who's worthy of of being a pillar person?

Because you're paying your pillars.

Because whenever you lock into those big deals, it's like, hey, now we got to manage this contract over the next four years.

Even if it's less than what it would have been in two years from now, it's still a big contract that we just gave to somebody two to three years ahead of schedule.

You know, because everything operates on schedules.

This is where we think the salary cap is going to be.

This is where we are.

This is where we're going to be.

This is what the contracts are.

So just picking the right people, I guess, is the fear is what they say.

Why not?

Yeah, I mean, the fear is obviously that it's whether it's injury, whether it's play decreasing, whether it's off-the-field issues, or you give a guy money and all of a sudden he stops working as hard or whatever it may be.

Oh, fat pockets.

Like, it might be those.

But again, we're paying these guys no matter what.

Like, guys are getting paid across this league, whether it's with your team, whether it's someone else.

At some point, you're paying the piper.

You can point to a handful of deals that didn't work out, obviously, where the guy got big money.

And he had, I mean, Albert Haynes was the one that he always goes back to.

No, it doesn't anymore.

It goes back to one guy.

Now it goes back to one guy.

He plays quarterback.

Yeah.

You know him.

He did play quarterback very good at one point in the land.

When you were playing.

Yeah, when you

know, that'll be considered the deal.

No, can't do

230 of them.

That's the thing, though.

You've got to not only pay for what that player has done, but what you project them to do.

So that's why when you get players, especially once you start getting around that 30 mark, a lot of these people who just crunch numbers and they

not necessarily know ball or know your work ethic or know your offseason and how you train all these different things.

They make those decisions like, hey, he's at this point.

Let somebody else pay him or overpay him.

And you got to be in a position where you got to, and if you're wrong.

which it does happen, you know, you're going to be asked, it's going to be there to cash.

Well, and even like the message to your own locker room, but like also a message to the league.

Like if you're a free agent and you're deciding between Philadelphia and Cincinnati and you're thinking about, hey, which team is going to reward me when I go there and play super well, you're not going to think the Cincinnati Bengals because of what has happened.

And even for like A.J.

Brown, A.J.

Brown gets traded to Philly.

They pay him a bunch of money and then they give him an extension.

Devontae Smith, they pay before, like all those, you know, top teams that are competing, Chiefs, Eagles, Lions, like those three teams pay guys before damn near anybody else.

Yeah, and they're doing well.

You know, it feels like you can get into a rhythm.

They paid Patrick Mahomes massive deal early.

They can play with that contract now.

Travis Kelsey has got another deal.

It's like all the teams that are good are seemingly ahead of schedule.

They kind of know what's going on.

They can forecast what's going to happen.

All the people that are just trying to kind of hang on, seems like it doesn't always work out.

Quarterbacks.

Yeah, you got to have a quarterback.

That all starts there.

But like, I mean, we're looking at the Bengals right now with the situations that they're in, like, they missed the playoffs.

Like, you have one of the best quarterbacks in the entire NFL.

That's the gold ticket.

That's the golden goose.

That's the asset that you need to make everything else fall into place.

They just weren't able to make everything else fall into places yet.

Do you have any questions for JJ Watt?

All you got to do is head over to X and use the hashtag AskJ.

Yeah.

Hashtag AskJ.

Jage and that actual picture of JJ Watt will be a part of answering your question.

Now, if you make it good, there's a better chance it's going to make the program.

Shitty questions don't get asked, but there's no such thing as a bad question.

There are certainly dumb ones, though.

Certainly.

And you should know that.

Jage, in your opinion with the Trey Hendrickson situation, I don't think he really is like this as a person, but do you think it would service him a little bit better if he was maybe like a little bit more of a prick?

Because he's been so amicable the whole time.

I said it a couple weeks ago.

Like it's kind of the basketball squeaks Galari situation where he basically said like, hey, listen, if you guys rip on me 16 or 17 more times, like I'm out of here.

I'm done doing this.

Like, and again, he's a God-fearing man.

We've had him on.

Like, it doesn't seem like that's really his M.O., but you think that's part of it too?

The ownership's like, well, like, we can kind of push this guy around because everything we've done, like, he's kind of been okay with it.

His stance hasn't changed at all.

I mean, you also have to look at it a little bit like the Tyrese Halliburton situation.

Small market, he's been playing phenomenal football for years.

I mean, led the league in Sachs and those things, but he doesn't have the national star power that some of these other guys have from bigger markets, bigger cities, or more talkative, boisterous personalities, things like that.

So then, yeah, like you said, it almost puts you back in that little box where the guy, the ownership can say, well, he's not going to make us think about it.

Why wouldn't we keep doing that?

I think that's probably part of the reason that he's been talking as much as he has lately and trying to lay it out.

It's such a hard spot as a player because I fully understand.

Fans are sitting there like, you're complaining when they're offering you $25 million.

You're complaining when they're offering you $30 million.

How could you ever complain about that?

Agree, Don't Crazy Thanksgiving.

We understand.

Like, yes, it's insane.

This is all nuts, but it's business and that's how this whole thing works.

So Trey wants to sit there and he wants to lay everything out for the fans.

He wants to say, this is exactly what they told me that they would do.

And they have now not followed through with that.

So what do you expect me to do?

I'm coming here just to let you know what I'm going through so you don't think I'm some selfish bastard trying to get my money.

Like I'm just trying to follow through with what they told me they would do.

But then you go out and say that and now people are like, look at this guy.

This guy.

Look at this guy.

This piece of coffee.

This guy.

Look at this guy.

This guy.

You're lucky to play football for the Bengals.

And we also don't.

I would love to play football for the Bengals.

We don't want our guys to give cookie-cutter answers.

We don't want our guys to just give the standard press conference lines.

But when they do go up there and they tell you exactly what's going on and they say exactly what's happening behind the scenes, all of a sudden we don't like what we hear.

And this guy's a jerk.

This guy's an asshole.

Distracted.

I don't like his negative attitude.

They're not going to win with that.

So I hear it.

I understand it.

It's frustrating, man.

Yeah, you were a man that was a hero in a city and then inevitably had to head to another team.

I couldn't even imagine what that was like for you, obviously moving from Houston over there to Phoenix.

Obviously, your golf game got better over there in Arizona.

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Hello, people, and welcome back to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this superstar.

Hey, play the Trump sword.

Hour two begins now.

Yeah, it's four.

Unbelievable.

I had a real shit show right there.

Dropped my phone, my earpiece fell out, and I missed the sports.

I can't get that down.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's JJ Watt.

Great to have you here.

Jage, you look amazing.

You look like you're in incredible shape.

Still lifting, still working out?

Yeah.

Still not fully retired?

No, fully retired.

Oh,

yeah.

Put it on a seat geek ticker down there.

JJ Watt is fully retired.

Still lifting, though, still getting after it.

Yeah.

Not 100% sure why or what for.

Just can't give it up.

Old dog, new tricks.

What are you doing?

What type of workouts?

Are we maybe doing Pilates to stretch out as we get older?

Benching?

Yeah.

What's that?

Probably should.

Oh, yeah, because you and A.Q.

Shipley have a

225 off with Tim Tebow.

I had a good run where I was ready for that, and I need to ramp it back up.

Yeah, we're going to do that in the summer when there's nothing.

Yeah.

Just baseball.

When did you think it was going to be?

You thought it was going to be during the playoffs, NBA and NHL playoffs?

Oh, definitely not when the Pacers are in it, of course.

Thank you.

That's what we're talking about.

You're kind of coming back around on this whole thing, right?

Yeah, a little bit here and there.

You squatting still?

You're getting under the bar?

Yep.

You did yesterday, but did both yesterday.

Yesterday was a good day.

How much did you squat yesterday?

465 for three just

maintenance cents do you have one of those like super padded bars i mean come on guy ready what is this what is this fifth grade that's what went worth does he old school oh you're talking about these guys with the safety yeah it's great stuff

guys are still pulling weight on her back just distributed a little differently i can put 700 on that today bet

you think you're really good i mean i squat yeah the safety bar with the handles yeah i mean mean.

What would you do now with a metal bar?

You did 465 for three.

I don't know what the math is.

600?

I could probably, like, comfortably, if I was saying what I could, I'd probably say 505, 525.

Just walking around as a human.

Comfortably.

He's just a dad and a husband right now.

That's right.

And a TV person.

Yeah, I can squat.

I can squat 500 pounds.

Actually, I'm going to do that right now.

I was at a gym yesterday.

It was a public gym.

And

I needed it.

You can't be doing that.

Yeah.

It's okay.

It was quiet.

It's middle of the day.

You got to know your times.

But I was asking for a spot because I needed it on my top set.

And this guy came over and spotted me.

And after the set, he goes, hey, I just want to let you know I was your brother's stunt double on the old El Paso commercials.

You guys were awesome.

It was a lot of fun.

Where is this?

This is in Wisconsin.

Yeah, it was in Wisconsin.

It was just at a local gym.

I love that they casted it.

Hey, we need a stunt double.

We need it to be a basic, bland-looking white.

We need to go to Wisconsin to find another Watt-looking lad.

They all know it's you, obviously.

And immediately afterwards, do they say, of course, you're squatting 465 pounds on a Tuesday in the offseason as a retired football player?

Is that what they say to you?

There's looks.

I mean, there's literally four people in there.

Like, you got to know your times.

I can't go in there at 9 a.m.

I can't go in there at 5 p.m.

But noon to three is a good window for me.

Although, I'm screwed now, I guess.

Yeah, who runs the office?

Where is this gym?

Yeah, who runs the office?

This is great.

Who runs the office?

No, I don't, nobody.

I don't do music.

People have their AirPods in, but I don't.

I don't do music.

Does the gym do music?

You're Raw Bob 465 for three quarterbacks.

Now that that I think about it, they do have something soft playing.

It's not like a

Yacht Rock.

It's not Waka Flocka.

Higher love.

You'll got you.

No, Raw Dog in it.

Straight Raw Dog.

Yeah, I could probably get a couple more pounds if I put on some good music.

Yeah, Walka Flocka was down in Tampa Bay the other night on Monday Raw.

Stole the show.

I heard he was coming.

I heard he was coming, and I just did Walka Flocka's greatest hits on the bus beforehand.

Turned that up.

Yeah.

Are you kidding me?

The world needs a Walka Flocka back in this world.

Every song, you knew what you were getting.

When you talk about somebody knowing who they are and knowing what's coming, whenever his name was attached to it, it's like if Waka Flocka is on a song, Titus O'Neill, he's on a dating show.

21 women.

Him, Carlos Boozer, and Tyson Beckford living in a house.

Dating show.

It's coming on Bravo.

Yeah, because he's like the mayor of Tampa.

It like legitimately knows everybody down there.

Obviously, legend in the WWE.

Also, a Q Dog has the entire arena barking alongside of him every single night that he is mentioned.

Yeah, he shows up, looks unbelievable.

I'm like, geez, Tice, you look so good.

He goes, Look, you know, I'm sick of it or whatever.

And I'm like, he said, I think you're promoting a show tonight.

And I was like, oh, what's your show?

I had no idea what it was.

And he said, dating show, bravo.

21 women

three guys, 21 women all living in the same house.

Yeah.

That sounds a lot less.

Dating show, a little more.

Something else going on there.

Look at this crew.

I don't know how he's going to catch footballs, that guy.

I do.

You think he's going to do a great job?

I think so, too.

It's offseason.

He's refreshing a mind.

Let people be who they are.

That's nine-year NFL vet Darius J.

Butler right there.

Good luck, Titus and Boozer, and Beckford on Finding Love.

Go Fion Bravo.

I think he, what?

Hopefully they win.

I think they, oh, in Finding Love.

Yeah.

That's Tox Table, Lovers of Love.

How do they lose?

At Boss Conner, at Ty Schmidt.

I think in those reality shows, you can lose.

Oh, yeah, but not at that time.

The clap, maybe?

Yeah, I think you can certainly lose.

There's a few ways to lose in that.

Yeah.

I wonder if it's going to be full-on.

A lot of ways to win.

Yeah.

A lot of ways to lose.

I wonder if they're going to be flipping tables and stuff.

They'll be flipping something.

Were you...

So you were a.

I don't know how this is going to transition this way.

I don't know what's.

Were you ever asked to be like the batch?

I don't know your.

That's a good question.

No, it is a good question.

No, I was not.

Because there for a while, you were the cock of the walk.

Remember, he was on everything.

Yep.

You're on everything.

You're correct.

You've actually talked about this with other people getting offered so much money to do such little work.

You feel obligated to say yes to it.

And then all of a sudden, six months later, when everything comes out, everybody's saying, this guy's, I'm sick of this guy.

It's like, well, I didn't know this was all going to be at the same time.

And the amount of money I was getting paid to do nothing, no work, I had to say yes.

You've actually talked about that being a part of your life, but that was a part of your life.

Were you offered movies?

Were you offered any reality shows?

Were you offered any of those things?

Yeah.

Yeah.

A little bit of everything.

And New Girl?

Yeah, New Girl.

Loved it.

It was great.

Yeah, a little bit of all that stuff.

But like you said,

it was more about finding your way.

I had to go through it all.

I had to find my way.

I had to understand.

I had to go through a lot of hate and shit.

I got to look back at things that I would do much differently if I could do them again.

But that's part of figuring it out.

And that's everybody that goes through it.

You're fortunate enough to have to figure it out because you got to.

And I'm sure you've had very similar things as you go through this entire thing.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

The only way you learn is to go through it.

And then

you either quit or you just keep going.

And it still gets hard.

I mean, still today, somebody will slap an offer down in front of you and you'll be like, man it's a shitload of money i mean i've turned down like they're turned down very very very significant amounts of money because i just well it's not

tens of millions uh multiple multiple millions for certain things that i i just i couldn't do it couldn't couldn't agree i bet j watts that's growth right there that's growth yeah that is growth that's all you're looking for it is very difficult

i've never been on the jj watt level of things obviously but somebody will put something in front of you i mean it happened during covet a lot yeah hey here's a fucking coin

Here's $2 million.

Basically,

what do I have to do?

You just got to basically promote it for a couple months or whatever.

Don't worry about it.

It's not real.

No, they never said that.

They said, we'll handle everything else, basically.

Here's $2 million.

And I'm looking around like a lot of people are doing it.

And I'm like, this seems too.

The PMP loan?

Yeah, the PPP loan, the triple P loan.

Yeah, PPP.

This seems too.

You start to get in that pharmaceutical world.

There's a lot going on there.

Oh, I know what you're talking about all of a sudden.

Well, how do you mean?

Yeah, you know, you're talking about Billy Gardell.

Listen.

Billy Gardell changed the law law.

Give me up, Ozempic.

What up?

That's a guy looking for an easy paycheck joining us now live from Anatoen, Ohio.

He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a man that used to say click-clack.

Yeah.

It's great to see him.

Bic Peck.

Yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen, Edge Hawk.

Yeah, I'm Eddie Rogle.

Hawk tone saying, hey, listen, Ozempic, you want to show a guy transforming?

I'll be your

Buckleberry.

There it is.

I didn't think Ozempic, like initially, when Jade said he turned down millions to do something with the pharmaceuticals.

Me either.

That wasn't my first guess.

Yeah, I think we all know what it was.

I think we all know what it was.

Jage and I are getting the same offers, AJ.

I was playing my strengths, okay?

He said, hey, I'm a kind of frumpy-looking guy on TV.

Billy Gardell, a little bit bigger than me, same city, same town, same accent.

Certainly.

I'm trying to figure out if I can actually say what it was or not.

We know what it was.

We all know what it was, funny.

No, you don't.

We all know what it was.

New genics?

No, that's not what it was.

We all know what it was.

If it was New Genics and you turned that down.

You and the big hurt?

Yeah, Frank.

Frank said, I'll take that off TJ Wall.

What is it?

Come on, man.

No one's just.

What's it rhyme with, Jage?

We can always just dump it, too.

Yeah, we'll dump it.

Yeah,

I don't think it rhymes with with aeroids no it rhymes with bar fan huh bar fan bar fan bar fan that's the i mean you can get it from that narcan yeah

oh you're trying to save people with from overdoses i think i would have been okay it was a it was a back and forth what do you like overdoses yeah like it was like uh

yeah it was a hefty back and forther where you're like well also you can feel bad taking the money i assume too you're saving all the people yeah you're you're taking the money starting because people are overdosed like i i mean this that would have been a very

we just did good commercial for Narcan's, right?

Yeah, you're welcome.

Send the $3 million back.

No, but it is weird because you feel weird taking the money.

Yeah, like I'm like, I don't know.

It's an emergency.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I understand.

I understand completely.

Man, you are a fool.

What?

But, like, those,

you know.

Yes, that would be a tough thing.

That's why, yeah, like, you have to have those conversations with yourself.

That's more of like an initiative as opposed to like a

paid promotion.

Yeah, I don't know.

They're going to see something worse.

Yeah.

I thought it was.

They're going to overdose whether they whether you do it or not, Jage, they're still gonna overdose.

True, yeah.

But if you give them a solution for the overdose, maybe there's more overdoses because now you have an answer.

I think they know that solution is there already.

Well, and you gotta hope someone's a rap.

Why are you getting a commercial then?

That has to be.

Why do a commercial for it?

Well, because they're paid you three million bucks.

Yeah, that is what.

Listen, now I'm pissed because now I'm down three million.

We ought to talk about it.

We've talked about it.

This is bullshit.

Hey, good news, bro.

Send it.

Send it.

I will accept it now.

Burnley's backup.

Yeah.

Boom.

Congratulations.

You guys got real quiet when we started dominating the whole world.

You think we paid attention?

We did not know we got quiet.

Just to let you know that.

To be clear, found out you got up today.

Yeah.

Congratulations.

Congratulations.

It's all of you too.

We're very happy for you.

So you guys are back in the Premier League.

Yeah, it's literally one of the greatest seasons of all time.

Our guys are incredible.

100 points.

Only gave up, I think, 14 goals the entire season.

Of all time?

It's unbelievable.

We talk about financial stuff, you know,

coming and going.

This is good news.

You guys are back in the Premier League, right, as an owner of an English soccer team?

Yes.

Very good.

Obviously, extremely expensive to try and stay up and try and do everything.

But yes, being in the Premier League is.

Do we have a chance in a Premier League or are

we going to do this dance?

No, they're bringing in Ronaldo.

You should hear the point.

You got Cristiano Ronaldo coming to the team?

I don't think so, but I do like to keep our transfer plans under wraps.

So you never know.

What about Lou Messi?

Yeah, no, again, again.

I mean, coming to the end of that Miami run, you just never know.

Well, Burnley is not a name I don't think that's being talked about for Lou or for Cristiano and Ronaldo, but maybe they should.

Yeah, and just keep things under wraps, like those teams that fly under the radar, and then all of a sudden we're in the Premier League now.

Lou and Ronaldo play together for the first time ever.

Oh, my God.

For the Claire?

They were thinking about that for the FIFA World Club Cup or whatever.

Isn't that true?

That is on the table.

Cristiano is going to play for a team in that Club World Cup.

We just don't know who it is.

I've touched that trophy.

It's a real deal.

Yeah.

It is the real deal, this trophy.

It's almost also for how much money for the winner?

$100 million.

Cristiano is a free agent right now.

So if he wants to play on Keifa TST, I'd like to say, you know,

come on down.

Oh, yeah.

Next week, TST down in Kerry, North Carolina.

Cristiano Ronaldo, you have a team called Keifa.

We are paying a little bit of money, too.

So don't think it's just a charity opportunity here.

We need you to play hard too, Cristiano.

We need you to know that this matters, and more people are going to see this than what they've been seeing in America, not in the world.

Correct.

In America.

So we need you to go ahead and score.

Are you guys down there, sure?

No.

Yeah, I remember you.

It wasn't a lot better.

Yeah, we're down there.

Concafa is down there.

Yeah, who's down there?

Concafa is down.

Oh, oh, oh, oh,

oh,

oh.

Oh,

oh,

oh,

oh, Flexor.

But I am suffering from an injury right here.

You see it?

Yep.

I'm still suffering.

Oh, no.

Yeah, from a brutal attack from going through a few weeks back in St.

Louis.

So I haven't been able to train as much because of this.

So I am worried about my amount of minutes that I'm going to get down there.

But I want to let you know, our roster,

that's what I heard last year.

Well, we didn't really know anything about it.

You made it to the quarterfinals first year.

What do you want from us?

How'd you guys do against Burnley?

Oh, yeah.

JJ played the whole game and we beat their ass.

I remember.

I remember.

Do you remember that?

I do remember.

You and Zach Knight going at it in the back as if two Godzillas are battling on a soccer pitch.

Might have been the biggest, most amount of meat bopping on a soccer pitch no doubt in the history we're back you and zach no doubt bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop bop zach night will be back yeah he's going back are you'll be bop you're not playing down there am i what is burnley going down uh no we're not because you guys are in the primary

primary league focus locked in well concave is going to get there someday especially with this roster we have this year yeah look look out

who we got

rosters were supposed to be revealed today i believe we did get a graphic i have no idea if it was uploaded Yeah, because I had to not forward it.

I believe it got sent to Gumpy, who is obviously

one of the coaches of the team.

He had two yellow cards last year.

I know.

He's not getting anything.

Is he allowed on the sideline?

Yeah.

Kidding me?

Yeah, he beat the hell out of an old fan.

Hey,

if coach gets a red card, do we have to play Donovan?

No, no, he just gets sent back.

JJ, you got sent out.

JJ, I waited until after the game to get sent packing.

Chokeslammed an 80-year-old.

Would have been surprised if Burnley was back.

Would have been surprised if Burnley was back at the ST.

It might have been a mutual there.

Might have been a mutual.

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I think.

And also, it's a lot of time in Cary.

It's a lot of time in Carrie, North Carolina.

Beautiful play.

Beautiful people.

If we're being frank.

Yeah, but teams couldn't survive if you weren't.

Yeah.

Like it got to the one game a day thing.

That was really what extended the stay.

That was nearly what extended the stay.

Your team was nowhere near that.

Practice is extended.

Your team was nowhere near that.

Practice.

Your team was nowhere near that.

Our women's team was.

Our women's team was ready to.

We were making a run.

And then what?

Then all I tried to start

over.

They were in the final league.

So were we, I cannot wait to get down to Kerry, North Carolina next week, as we were last year.

I don't know about my minutes.

Bad injury age.

Bad injury on my arm.

Well, that's an upper body, though.

You can still take a few nice shots.

You take a few cuts at it.

Yeah, but remember, this is connected to this.

Connected it is.

I haven't been able to do this.

And now I'm, you know, there's a lot of.

PK, maybe you're the designated PK guy.

That's all you got.

We got those.

I got a

Yeah, well, what I realized when I was taking those free kicks and kicking one out of the stadium, which is how my soccer career potentially ended, ripping a hip flexor, kicking a free kick out of the stadium, out of the camera shot, maybe out of

boom and eyeshot.

Pretty sweet

might be the way to go out, to be clear.

Now, I'm going to play if I can.

I'm going to play if I can this upcoming week.

But what I realized I was doing there, I was taking a free kick out of meat,

you know, out of meats kind of rip.

Like that guy actually should be kicking that ball.

Or maybe Derek with the way he was hitting the ball.

Gordo Gerson.

Yeah, Red Boots.

I don't think Gordo or Red Boots will be taking any free kicks, but

we're talking about the meat tier.

So me blasting one out of the stadium, potentially

you don't know who meet is?

Meat beats your team's ass.

You should maybe sign meet to Bertie's.

He's been a lot with Dawk.

Hey, why don't you?

Yeah, he gave you one of these.

Hey, and you did a woo.

I mean, saying you for a hot dog.

Yeah, he did.

I'm a big guy.

I'm not an idiot.

I like to get out of the way.

Well, he took you on a walk, bud.

And you

should sign him to Burnley, actually.

I said all of our transfers are just.

Meet, you should talk to me.

We got somebody who'll talk to me.

Text Tyler.

See if he'll do it.

Trump dude perfectly.

JJ said he's actually the lead scout this year.

That's good news.

I assume he'll do great at it.

Please adjourn.

Let's get back to some sports.

TST next week.

Our roster will be revealed at some point.

AJ's on it.

AJ Hawk is

Vibes consultant.

Wow.

And our show will be there in Kerry, North Carolina, which I don't even, I think you can get tickets to watch the tournament and they can come hang with us.

It's a good setup for us, but not a good setup for like audience.

You remember?

Because there's like a hill and the sun.

Yeah.

It's hot.

Very, very bright.

So we'll be live from Kerry, North Carolina down at the soccer tournament.

Fun time, fun atmosphere, fun tournament.

I think they do a great job.

The facilities, beautiful.

I mean, it's a great, gorgeous area.

Down there for a long time, though.

Down there for a a long time.

We'll have our show down there for two days, and hopefully, it'll be a blast.

Speaking of a blast, last night the Indiana Pacers moved to three to one against the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals.

It was a celebratory evening for everybody in Indiana, except for those Knicks fans that traveled out here to watch their team play in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is one of those men.

He joined us yesterday.

What we learned is

six points a game in high school.

You know, if you see somebody, ah, splash by the perfect rotation, elbow tight, forehead to hoop.

I mean, just absolutely perfect fundamentals.

Six points a game.

That's playing.

Oh, yeah.

You know, if somebody averages like one and a half, one point, two points a game, something like that, they're coming in garbage time.

They're taking a seat.

Six points a game is we're getting some minutes.

Oh, yeah.

We're getting some minutes on here.

Now, we're not getting the rock in every situation, but we're fucking bopping the wood.

Oh, yeah.

We're bopping the wood on defensive side.

And if we're in a corner and they need one, bang, we're knocking it down.

That's this man out of Freehold Township High School.

Ladies and gentlemen, Emmy Award winner, Peter Shrag.

Shraigs, did you consider spell checking that tweet before you fired it out?

Just a quick check.

What happened?

What did I do wrong?

What was wrong here?

Six points.

Varisti.

Varistity.

Yes.

Public school education, JJ.

There it is.

Same of your brother.

Yeah, Varisti should have showed up with the blue line underneath or the red red line under it, but you capitalized it.

So then they probably thought it was a title.

Man, I'll tell you what, smartphone, not smart enough in this situation.

But our eyes, there's a trick, I think it's called something.

If you just have all the letters of a word and the first letter's right and the last letter's right, your brain will normally piece it together, right?

I think that is called something.

I forget what it is.

But Varisti here, I didn't even notice until you pointed it out, JJ.

Very JJ Watt move there.

Very.

You see the Varisti.

Yep, sorry.

See the Varisti.

Shreks, I was impressed with your shooting ability.

I was also impressed with the New York Knicks watching them live.

Now, obviously, the Pacers get a huge win.

Tyrese Halliburton goes halabananas.

Okay.

He certainly did that in front of Triple H, Jelly Roll, 50 Cent, and a litany of people that traveled out to Indianapolis, Indiana to watch this Eastern Conference final game, yourself included.

What are your thoughts on the way out of there?

And what is your thoughts on the series now after you getting a chance to experience that?

First off, incredible game day experience.

I came in there as one of the few Knicks fans wearing the Knicks colors.

And I've been in other buildings where you wear those colors and you get heckled the entire game.

And these Pacers fans were awesome.

Everyone was respectful.

And I'll tell you what I loved about it.

30 minutes before the game, they're all in their seats and you've got Avici levels just blasting.

And like everyone's like ready to go and it is a party.

And I'm like, oh, like this is not going to be one of those where the fans come trickling in with about 10 minutes left in the first quarter.

And okay, I'm getting my, this is in LA.

And in a lot of of ways, I've seen that Delta Lounge at the garden.

Third quarters, maybe it's not a full house to start the third.

Everyone's still mingling at halftime.

These Pacers fans brought it.

And I felt like there was from no way, no point did the Knicks have control.

We were up one with, I think, about a minute left in the second quarter.

And I'm like, all right, let's go into halftime with a lead.

And then the Pacers, they got that lead.

And then, Pat,

you talked about it to start the show.

I don't know if the viewers at home have a grasp on the promo that you did and just how much it changed the energy in the building because the Knicks were coming and it was down from like a 13-point game to a seven-point game.

They give you the mic.

You do this promo, you cut this promo, and you call out the celebrities, and it seems like we're all loving, it's all great.

And you tell those SOBs to get on home.

And it is such a moment in that building.

If you watch it to the end of this video, and I'm not going to make myself myself part of the story here, but you call out everybody.

They cut to the crowd on this jumbo trunk.

And it was my section.

And I'm wearing my dumb nicks hat.

And I'm just sitting there giggling as you're taking everybody apart here.

You pat, watch this.

Freeze frame it right here.

You could see me.

Wait, keep going.

Keep going.

There he is right there.

I'm loving it.

I'm like, this is amazing.

Now, I make a plea to you.

You've got enough connections through the NBA, through WWE, through ESPN.

Dude, if you showed up at the garden wearing like a TJ McConnell, like t-shirt jersey or something, like sick court side, keep this thing going, Pat, I think you would be A,

embraced in a way that everyone would love it because here you are, you're going to pay it forward.

We're going to come to your building now.

And B, I think if you haven't been to a game at the garden yet, a playoff game, a do or die game, you will love it.

And see, if your boys do win, which they might, you'll be on the court when the Pacers beat the Knicks in the garden.

Yeah, yeah, that'd be crazy.

That would be crazy.

I, you know, first of all, appreciate you for coming to the city, hanging out with us yesterday, enjoying the game.

We got some photos of you kind of going through the game last night and experiencing all the highs and lows sent to us because you were spotted by people that we knew.

We love that you just came.

Yep, there he is.

Yeah, just bummed out

and stared stared around a guy's ass.

I think there was a chance that maybe some

outfits around you weren't necessarily your favorites as well, but I appreciate you.

There's a dude wearing Birkenstocks.

Yo, socks.

It's like these toenails in my face.

I don't know where you people from Indiana get your foot.

This guy shows up wearing Birkenstocks.

That guy with the Pacers jacket, nice dude.

He was standing up the entire game.

I'm staring at his,

you know what, the entire game.

And finally, I'm just like, I'm going to sit in the aisle on my hand.

Like, I'm just watching like this, but I respected it.

Are you wearing a button-down over your Nick's shirt?

What did you say?

I can't tell from here.

Is that a button-down that you're wearing?

That is a flannel sweater, the button-down type deal, which I was not even wearing a Nick shirt.

I was just wearing regular generic clothing, Nick's hat, JJ.

It's reporting the brand, but didn't want to go overboard with it.

But this dude with the pace, like, I thought this was Detlev Shrem, or this was Vern Fleming with this old school Pacers, you know, windbreaker.

He was wearing Birkenstocks, his toes all out.

Nice wearing heavy on the Burks.

All right, bro.

You, you saw this guy because this guy was standing in front of you, and you were sitting down.

You were just eyeing this guy.

Okay, so I'm going to stand up.

Hold on to his feet.

This guy.

This guy is in public like this.

Unbelievable.

And then the Pacers start to do what they do.

It was a magical night last night in Gainbridge.

I was thankful to be there, lucky to be there.

We're appreciative of you coming out there.

Going to MSG, that's a funny thought.

I know how much we paid for our seats there at Gainbridge Fieldhouse.

I couldn't even fathom

what Madison Square Garden would be for those tickets.

You talked about all those connections.

I think even those connections have to pay for these things

from my understanding and how this is all going.

I want to get Narcan on the line.

Need two commercials to get out there to Madison Square Garden.

But I thought about it last night, you know, especially after I was getting heckled and I heard a lot of people say like,

this type of stuff wouldn't happen in New York.

I think I saw Ben Stiller say wouldn't not happen, which I don't know if if he meant wouldn't not happen as if it would happen because that's a double negative there.

I don't know.

Wouldn't happen maybe.

And then he added the not in his tweet.

I was trying to figure out.

I was trying to see if Ben Stiller was actually like

he definitely was.

And someone also tweeted the video from last year of when the Knicks went up 2-0 at in MSG.

And they were chanting F.U.

Reggie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then Josh Hart comes over to clarify what they were saying.

They're saying, you, buddy, is what they're saying in that entire thing.

And I love that.

I enjoy that.

That's what I think sports are.

But I just, I found it awesome that, like, there were new, because I said, send these sons of bitches homes with their ears ringing, is what I was talking about.

Because I wanted it to be loud.

Because I heard.

I missed that part also.

Everybody missed that part.

Once I heard send these guys home.

I did say it.

It's clearly.

Did he say it?

Pete, did he say that?

Yeah, I missed that part.

I backed out once I heard SOB send them home.

I was like, oh, see, everybody gets distracted.

Everybody gets distracted.

He didn't turn this shit up.

Yeah, because I heard the third game, okay, which some people might have missed.

Most people in the middle of it.

Nobody sleeps through it, right?

Nobody sleeps through it.

Yeah, some people did, though, because the 9500 day was a long day.

Yeah, race day.

You know, it was the way it was, get in and get out there.

And what Paulo did for the first time in the history of spanning your drivers wins the 9500.

There's a lot of emotions there.

So some people weren't maybe there for that game and were supposed to be, certainly, paid for a seat there and didn't make it to it or whatever.

I heard bad news out of Game Bridge, though.

I heard at the end of the game, it was a little bit down.

It wasn't as loud.

So I literally.

They weren't vrooming.

Shrikes is at both games.

He obviously had much more fun on Sunday than he did on Tuesday.

He said it was, he said, I didn't expect it to be as docile as it was.

Now, the Pacers were up 20 basically for the entirety, so maybe they got bored.

Also, a long day.

So whenever they hand me a microphone.

The Indy 500, everyone had their Vroom Vroom t-shirts on.

Did you do the Indy 500?

Shrikes, did you do the Indy 500?

No, I didn't know.

No.

Yeah, it would have been a long day.

I wouldn't have been able to do it.

That would be a hell of a day, though.

That's an Indianapolis staple day.

Yeah,

you're racing and patient.

Exactly.

Now, I just did some racing and snoozing and woke up, saw the game, watched the entirety minute from tip off all the way to the final, and then fell back asleep in that entire thing.

But yeah, I missed it.

So whenever they give me a microphone for the fourth quarter, it's like, oh, I heard.

JJ's right.

I've never seen that in any sporting event.

Forget just NBA basketball fourth quarter.

I've never seen a fan.

First, Mike Epps got one, was fine in the third quarter.

Then they give it to Pat McAfee in the fourth.

I'm like, I've never seen this in the history of sporting.

There were multiple mics.

Mike Epps, yeah.

You got Mike Epps in the building.

You're going to give him a microphone.

Mike Epps, Indianapolis legend, by the way.

And that was your angle because Mike Epps was so, he did a long promo, like pro Indianapolis Pacers.

Let's go, guys.

So your only angle was the New York Beast fans that were there.

Mike Epps actually, yeah, he did his promo.

And I thought to myself, okay, I don't have to do one.

That is literally, I thought they, I did not know I was getting a microphone last night.

I did not know that.

Come on.

Legitimately did not know.

Had done it in the past.

A year ago, I did one.

It was like a regular season game, I think.

But it was like a full thing.

Like, I was there for Tyrese.

Tyrese gave me the tickets.

It was a full thing.

I'm like, okay, so I'm sitting here, got free tickets.

I could do a little, you know, we're doing an entire thing.

They hadn't shown you the whole night?

No.

Not once.

Oh, yeah.

You're sitting there fourth quarter like they haven't shown me the whole night.

Third quarter, I was pumped.

Coming.

Third quarter, I was like, come on.

Third quarter, I'm A-O.

I literally thought it was not going to happen.

You're the king of the castle.

Okay, I am not.

There was a lot of people

that showed on that Jumbotron every single Pacers player who's ever played from 1976 to 2025.

It was awesome.

I'm seeing, you know, Danny Granger is in the house.

Jermaine O'Neal is in the house.

They also had like both Davis brothers.

I'm like,

Sprick.

Best little lefty out of Georgia Tech.

I'm like, yes.

They're all there.

Then they go and they do some of the indie legends, which is cool.

And you had Mike Epps and John Mellencamp.

Yeah.

John Mellencamp, amazing.

Who was sitting there?

Then you did get a Triple H who was with Pat,

but they didn't show that.

Exactly.

You knew this shit was coming.

No, I thought for real they were not.

I thought it was like,

because once again, I cannot stress this enough.

The price that they got.

They paid a lot for those tickets was a lot of fun.

Trace, you sitting in your seat.

Did you think to yourself, oh, they're saving him.

They're saving him for the right moment.

You had to know that they were.

What was happening?

I was so confused because I showed every, I mean, I'm talking literally like dead left shrenf isn't here today, but let's show a picture of him just every pacer you could imagine.

And I'm like, Are they going to show Pat?

And then it was already like fourth quarter, JJ, five minutes left.

I'm like, I guess they're not going to show.

I don't know what the deal is.

Maybe he didn't want to be on camera.

Maybe he wasn't.

And then this moment, I'm telling you, it was like a 10-point game.

Pat does his thing.

And it's like, let me hear that boom, boom, boom.

Let me hear you say Wayo.

And the place goes,

they brought in Mariano Rivera.

They saved you till the bottom of the ninth.

And they brought their big arm and they said, get him in here.

It was an honor to talk for the boys, you know, and I like this team.

I literally knew 45 seconds before that I was talking.

I would just like that to be known.

That's a whole nother angle.

Guy, good MC, great MC brings the channel.

You're right.

Great MC.

Great MC brings the channel.

He shows up with the microphone and literally, like 30 seconds before that, I'm like, are you doing an interview with me?

Like, how's this going to go?

He goes, no, I'm giving you the microphone.

I'm like, okay, shit, here we go.

We're off and running.

And then all of a sudden, you know, you got to do what you got to do.

I will say, Timothy Chalamet being in Indiana, like you brought it up yesterday about him spending his Memorial Day traveling to Indianapolis to watch his Knicks play.

It was very evident that he is a passion.

Like watching him react to the Knicks was so cool, especially because he's going to be the biggest actor on earth.

He's the next one, right?

He is.

He's one of the next actors.

Yeah, for sure.

He's the next one.

So like him loving sports as much as he does, awesome.

Spike Lee obviously been doing this for decades and decades.

And Ben Stiller, I don't think I knew he was as big of a Knicks fan as he is, but he clearly is.

Traveled all the way out to Indianapolis multiple times to watch it.

So I thought it was like cool to see them.

So yeah, I mean, me shouting them out was in a,

I'm telling you, it was out of a place of like respect.

If you wouldn't have done that, though, and you would have been like smooching their ass, like they would have booed you.

Yeah, well, we got to get, we can't be losing to fourth quarter Shrangers here.

Yeah.

You know, we can't be losing in front of strengths i'm telling you yo came out of nowhere had a good time happy we won shalamay when he won he won like the sag after award and he goes up there and gives a speech you saw this where he's like this ain't a joke this ain't a hobby like i want to be the michael jordan of acting and like anyone else says that you're like all right tool like get out of here it was it like it like completely resonated with everyone it's like finally someone with some bravado who's coming in here stiller To his credit, this guy lives on like the Knicks Twitter page.

Like there's guys like I Hate Sean and Jonathan Macri and like Anthony MSG, like NYX Twitter people.

And Stiller is on Twitter, like engaging with them all day, all night.

65.

So he's legit, man.

Like these guys are real deal.

That said, if you came to the garden,

I'm telling you, it's not, it's not just like...

Next to him.

Do you have an extra $300,000?

I mean, I don't even know what that could be.

I honestly, here we go to SeatGeek.

Let's look for some

tough to read.

Can we zoom in on that at all?

$47,000.

$69,000.

$69,000.

You got it.

Is that for one?

For one ticket?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So those two right there,

$47,000.

That whole row is open?

You can get it.

They said, hey, listen, you can get it.

$69,000 for about 15 seats.

I mean, you're...

No, no.

You need to be court side.

Yeah.

You need to be court side.

I don't need you seven throw.

I need you court side.

$47,000 a ticket over there.

I mean, you've given away you and still 10 times that on a kick on college game day come on damn what henry scores henry and daniel they deserve that they had great kicks they had great kicks you and still are next to each other point is that this is thursday yeah might have something going on thursday but if i can i will certainly make it i uh really yeah dude i i would i would love this so much that was incredible strikes are you going

i'm gonna i'm gonna go if if if i

generate back to see

where

you zoom out a little bit Shrikes in the middle of the second.

Let's get a little bit of zoom out a little bit.

Zoom out.

How's that ESPN deal?

Where are we at?

Top check.

I think you can go.

How about right behind there at 3742?

That seems like good seats.

We got a 730 up there at the top of

our state building.

If I get a ticket out there.

Yeah, no doubt.

$829 up there.

You'll see it.

You'll see it, they say.

You'll be in the building.

Wow.

You'll be in the building where it happens.

Fast to the round.

Second to last row is a grand.

What are we doing?

That's Massachusetts Square Garden, brother.

That's me at the Raising Canes in Penn Station.

That's it.

There it is.

It's all the way out there.

Well, just know this.

If I end up going, which

would be very cool, I will say, very cool, I will certainly get a ticket for you, Shrek's.

Okay, I can say that.

You don't have to do that.

I just need you in the building.

I just need the, I need you to experience it.

And if you do want to invite me, I would gladly come.

I'll sit wherever.

But I really, this is bucket list stuff, dude.

The garden and elimination game for your team?

Come on.

Okay, so I would say we're going to spend 70 grand on those tickets.

We got 69 grand up air in the front.

Shregs up air in a thousand.

You'll be sitting like an apartment.

That's kind of how the Massive Square Garden thing is, too.

They are like on top of you there.

Shregs, if I end up going, which is going to be a tall task, literally with my schedule, but if I'm able to make it, we will get you tickets.

Let's talk a little bit about NFL.

Jage brought up a Trey Hendrickson story a little bit ago.

Is there any movement on that in your eyes?

And what do you think is the deadline for that whole thing?

Because Rappaport tells us on a regular basis, I think this is going to get done.

I think this is going to get done.

He said he thinks that the Bengals end up paying Trey Hendrickson.

Do you agree with that?

Or what are your kind of thoughts on how Trey Hendrickson ends up being an Indianapolis Colt this year?

It's such a unique situation because he's approaching it so much differently than we've seen players in the past.

He's a 30-year-old guy who met his wife in Cincinnati, had his kids in Cincinnati, and loves being a Bengal.

And instead of him going through an agent or doing these cryptic Instagram messages, he straight up came on your show and then spoke with reporters and was just wearing his heart on his sleeve saying, this is what the market is paying these guys.

And I am grossly underpaid.

I think it's fair that I at least get some sort of bump.

And yet the Bengals entered this.

entire offseason with this label of being cheap and being small time and they broke the bank on what they thought was their top two priorities.

Two wide receivers under the age of 30, who everyone expected was going to be one or the other.

In one fell swoop, they took care of both of them and they thought they had checked the box.

Little did they realize that they would have this upset veteran player who happens to also be a wonderful member of the community and a great leader in the locker room who's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I want mine also.

Ian might have a different read on it than I do.

I just know they went into this offseason with priority one being Jamar Chase, priority two being T.

Higgins.

I'm not sure they saw this Trey Hendrickson thing approaching like it has.

It's been a locomotive, and I don't know if it gets settled by the time we're at training camps.

40 million a year is the number Miles Garrett's getting to play the same position in the same state, in the same division.

You know, so that happening, Haslam, I genuinely believe that when Haslam agrees to these deals, he does think about the other owners that can't keep up.

And especially in the AFC North, in the entirety of it all, and Miles Garrett getting that deal done, there's somebody in Pittsburgh that's upset.

Let's not ask his brother about it no don't do that he'll be pissed i'm not pissed

you have any updates

i have plenty of i have i have all i have all the information i just can't share it oh wow isn't that nice do you have all the information on aj hawk's best friend because i've seen some reports that people are pissed that aaron rodgers isn't at otas for the pittsburgh steelers he's not even on the team on that note d-but has a question for you shrink are there any people that are actually on teams that are that have not showed up to otas i know miles garrett he's in tokyo or something like that but he probably has his own off-season deal like a lot of vets do but are there any other players maybe with some contract things going on that haven't showed up to otas that are surprising what's interesting is first of all i'm just a total uh

Darius Butler made about 16 shots at a 16 yesterday from three, and there's a video of me making two.

Darius Butler did not miss a three-point shot for the entire four-hour show.

Yeah.

Darius is unbelievable in basketball.

He is unbelievable.

Yeah, I agree.

Amazing.

You know when they used to do like the NFL

NBA players, NFL NBA players conversation.

Rock and jock.

Yeah.

Okay.

That actually happened on MTV, I believe.

And the four-point shot that was way up in the sky was obviously something.

Nobody ever mentions D-Butt as representing the NFL playing basketball.

This guy still plays, runs five-on-five

still to this day.

Legit on a regular basis.

You're playing defense, though.

Yeah, but you're practicing in here.

You're practicing in here.

You get reps.

I mean, the guy's unbelievable.

Straight, you're right.

He's he's unbelievable at basketball incredible and like a very generous passer too gorgeous passes now look

i played in the jersey shore in a conference called a north which if you're from new jersey you know that was like the conference in a giant public school conference so when i averaged six points a game that is a badge of honor that is something i am proud of i started as a junior get this then i come in as a senior as the captain and my coach brian gollup of the freehold township patriots about three games in it's like we got this sophomore dude who was dunking.

And I probably played like two minutes a game my senior year, which was

good leadership.

Good leadership.

I was the James Johnson of that team.

I was talking sleeve to the other coaches.

The other two

I was there.

So

you ask about A North.

I mean, that's Quentin Nelson played in A North.

And we had a bunch of dogs out of that conference.

And, you know,

CBA and Red Brank Regional, like real teams.

So I am honored.

I am honored.

So ask around.

It's good.

Ask for the players who didn't show up, Kirk Cousins not being at practice was a little interesting because there's all these different little milestone markers during the offseason and the Falcons could have moved on from Kirk Cousins.

March 10th, he got a huge bonus.

He collected that.

The draft, everyone's filling out their stuff.

They didn't trade him.

And then right up here to OTAs, it's like, all right, well, there's some.

And for Cousins, as Schefter reported, and Raheem Morris basically was being coy with the porters, like, I didn't see Kirk today.

So I don't know

where that heads.

Jay just said why would he be there I mean like we kind of knew he wasn't gonna be there right no Kirk Cousins leader of the team Drake still showed up show leadership yeah you know I was a two points per game senior year guy I showed up to all those practices I wasn't making 30 40 million dollars JJ no I don't know maybe it's all but you could make the argument that it's literally probably worse I mean it depends it all depends on how the attitude is if it were to show up yeah but like because then it's

taking the yeah who's taking the reps how are we gonna break this down all these things and there's conversations that don't even I mean, that's my take on it.

That's actually a really interesting perspective.

And I love that we have that player perspective on that because to me, as an outsider, I raise my eyebrows.

I thought, well, that's interesting because they could have moved on from him.

And then he's not there.

And he's always been such a classy veteran and all along has been like, I'll do whatever is necessary.

But I had not considered that where, hey, maybe if I'm there, it clouds things for Pennex.

Let him be the dog.

Let him be the A guy.

Let him run this entire three-week process and then I'll show up at training camp.

That could be very well based on that.

I think it might be one of those situations where where it's like that we're not all gonna play this little charade where I'm gonna come out here and take reps from guys who actually need reps and who want to get reps like we all know what's happening here I'm not actually gonna be like they have their guy they've made that clear just go ahead go with yeah Kirk can go build fires with the boys yeah yeah with the kids coop coop that's a good fire coop yep Kirk Cousins is the winner of that quarterback series in my eyes and the wide receiver one and the other one that they did which is really cool yeah everyone came in that

that show everyone came into that like ah kirk's a little corny he comes off not only as cool as hell but also like so dedicated and tough and then he did all that stuff in his in his house with his wife like where you're looking at him like memorizing plays like i thought to your point no one's brand or public image was built up more and and increased and given a lot of goodwill than kirk cousins and that's the guy he is i think so he's gone from atlanta

No, we don't know that.

That's the thing.

It's like everyone assumes

he controls where he goes with the no trade clause.

Great call.

And also, there was all these different milestones where they've already paid, like, they're giving him millions just by being on the roster throughout this offseason, every single milestone.

And he's still there.

And to a man, Raheem Morris is like, he's going to be our number two.

He's going to be there.

And

that's what we plan on having as our backup in this room.

Now, as long as Pittsburgh doesn't have a quarterback, I'll always keep my eyes open on that.

And I know that just because they never actually overlapped, the fact that that Arthur Smith came from Atlanta and knows Terry Fonteno and knows Arthur Blank and knows what those guys, and like they didn't end on horrible relations.

To me, there's still a connection there.

And then, oh, by the way, Mike Tomlin's best friend in the league is probably Raheem Morris.

So to me, there's always an open line of dialogue, which is the most important thing.

These people know each other that if Rogers pulls the shoot or does something, who knows?

TJ Watts quarterback could be Kirk Cousins if you're just looking to fill the seats on the carousel.

Pulls the shoot?

Does that mean retire?

Yeah, I don't know.

I made that up.

I don't know what that even means.

Pulls the shoot.

I think that's pretty good.

I think I found it great.

Yeah, because like,

yeah, and then you just kind of

made your point.

I think it was a good, a good line because it definitely made me.

He with the Avici levels.

Oh,

I love that.

What was the song that played immediately after I spoke?

Let me say way out.

Like, the guy in the Birkenstocks lost his mind when they played played that song

7.30 at night.

You've got your best Vern Fleming

windbreaker on.

What shoes am I going to wear?

Socks?

Get them out of here.

Give me the Birkenstocks.

Yeah, I want to be comfortable out there.

Might have to go walk a trail.

Might have to eat some granola.

Maybe choose some bark.

Yeah, maybe choose some beef.

You never know.

You'll never know what you're going to have to do.

By the way, cool as hell.

Nice guy.

Tatted up.

The whole thing.

I liked him.

Of course.

Just staring at his feet the entire game.

Yeah.

It was better than viewing a core on with Patriots getting a big top win over the New York Knicks.

You talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers maybe with Kirk Cousins.

The story was if the Cleveland Browns don't take a quarterback at number two, they're going to trade for Kirk Cousins.

Now, they have a lot of quarterbacks on their roster.

Go ahead, Ty.

Yeah, Shrikes, now there's rumors floating around that there's...

There's no way that the Browns are going to go into maybe even camp or start the season with the four guys they have.

Is there any chance that another team is interested in one of their quarterbacks?

And if they were to trade someone, like are we strictly talking either Joe Flacco or Kenny Pickett here?

Like is there any chance that either one of the guys they drafted this year could potentially be moved before the season?

I just don't.

What's the value on a Dylan Gabriel?

No one knows, you know, what he is.

And if they wanted him, they could have drafted him in the first two rounds.

So I would take Dylan Gabriel off of that.

Shador, same thing.

The issue becomes with Flacco, he was a free agent and Stefanski knows him.

And I do value the personal relationships here.

And in this case, you know, Flacco had options.

Stefanski said, you were comeback player of the year.

He took us to the playoffs two years ago.

Like, come back to Cleveland.

I would be really hard pressed to think after they lured Flacco back to Cleveland, after he already signed with Indy last year for a year and came out, that he would then be told, all right, sorry, we're getting, we're trading you.

That'd be really rough on him.

Pickett might just be the odd man out just based on how it all went down.

They traded for him, but it was more, hey, we've already got Flacco.

We don't know what we're going to do with the young guys.

We'll take Kenny Pickett.

Now, that said, if Kenny Pickett lights it up in the next few weeks and demands the room and does all that stuff, who knows?

But to me, if you're looking at those four guys, who's the odd man out?

I would just think based on relationships, value, and what they can maybe get in return, I would think Kenny Pickett would be the odd man out of those four.

Fascinating.

What is going to happen with Shador and Dylan Gabriel?

That is not talked about right now.

No, at all.

That's kind of gotten quiet.

That's good, right?

Just letting people do their job, kind of work, do their thing.

Do we expect that?

I don't think I expected that.

Wait till preseason.

I think training camp will be a real testing ground for all these guys.

And with Shador's case, I remember covering the Seattle Seahawks back in 2012 when they had a fellow Wisconsin Badger, albeit for just one year, but a fellow Wisconsin Badger showed up.

And there was already the late Trevoris Jackson who could play.

They already had Matt Flynn, who just had signed a massive free agent contract to AJ Knowswell.

And Russell Wilson showed up the day he got there.

And by the time it was the second week of preseason, covering that team, being in Seattle, no one could even deny that Russell was the best player in that room.

And even the quarterbacks who were the veterans, the late Tavaris Jackson and of course, Matt Flynn, like they had to concede that, yeah, this guy's amazing.

Like he's a dime.

That was 2012.

That was 13 years ago.

Shador is going to probably have to have that kind of impact where it becomes undeniable to anybody.

And that Kevin Stefanski, the head coach, is like, yes, the fourth quarterback in this room, when we stack it as far as chronological order goes, signing Joe, trading for Kenny, drafting Dylan, the fourth quarterback is by far the best guy and gives us the best option to win week one.

That is an uphill battle that he can do because none of these guys are bona fide number ones by any means, but.

It is an uphill battle for him as a day three draft pick to be the starting quarterback week one.

And I think a lot of people are just opening the door like, hey, that could happen.

It's an open competition.

It's never really a true open competition because guys come in at different points on the roster.

And on the dip chart, today he did take reps as the fourth quarterback taking reps.

Yeah, he's fifth round draft pick.

And Dylan Gabriel obviously drafted ahead of him in this particular draft.

So that obviously builds up an animosity, I don't want to say animosity, but a conversation or controversy just amongst those two, let alone the guy that led the Cleveland Browns to the playoffs two years ago in Joe Flacco being back.

And Kenny Pickett, who touched the ball last in the last Super Bowl?

Good question.

Kenny Pickett.

So all through that quarterback controversy will obviously be a lot of chatter and a lot of conversation, but it's all because Deshaun Watson got $230 million there to try to find anything he possibly can.

Correct.

And Shador's slide to the fifth round, we'll see if it was warranted or justified, or if maybe he's able to become a superstar.

But what about Dylan Gabriel?

Third round pick?

A lot more third-round picks have gone on to start earlier than fifth-round picks.

And clearly, they wanted Dylan Gabriel on their team.

They wouldn't have drafted him in the third round.

They took a quarterback before Shador Sanders in this draft, and that was Dylan Gabriel.

And everyone dismissing him because of what they all thought was going to happen going into the draft.

Granted, Shador might have had a bigger spotlight, but like they drafted Dylan Gabriel over Shador Sanders.

So let's not cheat Dylan Gabriel out of that opportunity to win that job as well.

Yeah, absolutely.

Dylan Gabriel, big 10 champ.

Dylan Gabriel goes over to Oregon and does phenomenal things.

Now they get the doors blown off them in the Rose Bowl, which I think is what a lot of people remember of that Oregon team.

But that Ohio State team was going to beat anybody on that particular day.

That's right.

I do believe AJ has a question for you, Shrek.

Yeah, shrikes what about jalen ramsey i know mcdandrios came out and said there's nothing that's really happened where does he play next year do you think

yeah mcdaniel was asked three questions on it back to back to back today and usually mike is so verbose and will go on a real tangent and actually speaks to the reporters like human beings and gives them answers and today he went to like the company line was like i'm only talking about guys who are here so that tells me that they really are at a standstill there now the issue with jalen ramsey aj is that he makes 20 million dollars a year so someone is going to have to take at least some of that you know a big bulk of that.

And the Dolphins are not going to trade him 30 cents on the dollar.

So everyone just assumes the Rams, because he played there.

I don't get the feeling the Rams are banging down the doors for the Miami Dolphins to trade them Jalen Ramsey so they can pay him $16, $17 million this year as a corner.

I think there is probably a better chance he is traded than him being there on the team, but I don't have a line or a list of teams that makes sense at the moment, just because of the salary and also because of this time of year.

Usually it'll heat up more towards training camp.

Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Cowboys, live from Hammer.

Don.

Don.

Don.

Don.

Don.

Thank you, Jades.

I'm trying, man.

That is hard.

You guys are good.

I grew up with it.

That's AP tone back there.

I forgot about that.

That's kind of cool.

What's that?

AP.

Hey, you have a vote.

I got to see your final ballots, by the way.

I never saw them.

He's posted them publicly.

We believe in transparency around here.

I got to go check those.

We consulted.

And the truth.

Yeah, didn't he talk to you about it?

Yeah, no, he did.

And where'd he put TJ?

I don't remember.

Third, I think.

Oh, man.

I believe it was second.

Okay, of course.

Tom, do you have a question for Shreggs?

Van Ginki was first.

Van Ginki had a great season.

Yeah, Shregs.

Buffalo Bills.

Have we heard anything about James Cook?

I know we talked earlier about OTA guys who weren't there.

What's his situation?

Because I know I believe he's looking for 20 million.

Yeah, I don't know if it's 20, but it's significantly more than what I think the Bills are looking to extend him with this offseason.

So there's going to have to be some

middle ground there.

But when all these different running backs, whether it be Saquon or Derrick Henry, got their little bumps in pay here and they were paid more than what they came in last year as free agents, I think James Cook and his agent probably looked at that and said, okay, well, let's take care of an aspiring or an ascending guy who was the best player on the field for them in a lot of games and especially during the Chiefs when he had that insane stretch across the goal line.

But that Brandon Bean's job this offseason was to extend a lot of different guys.

And, you know, I think they want to take care of James Cook, but not at the numbers that have been tossed around at the moment.

James Cook, let

James Cook was kind of their mantra.

He sees Saquon Barkley sign a massive deal.

He thinks to himself, excuse me, what's going on around here?

I need my first big payday.

20 touchdowns.

Yeah, why not?

Good luck.

Brandon Beans got to get that figured out.

He paid a lot of people.

Yeah.

They're in a transition process.

I think James Cook is a great player.

I hope they get it figured out.

That team could go, especially in front of this new bison.

That's right.

They got new bison outside the stadium.

Have you heard about this?

No, I like to hear about this.

Okay, they're building a new stadium up there in Buffalo.

It's going to be beautiful.

It's going to be gorgeous.

What a great fan base.

Will it be done?

Probably not.

Okay.

Construction.

Yep.

Always going to be delayed.

That's how it goes.

Always going to be delayed.

There's going to be things, especially with the weather up there.

I don't know how they get anything in coffee.

Yeah, open-air stadium.

Probably can't do too much work.

Saw the final beam, though.

Final beam.

That's a big day.

Yeah, that is a big day.

Have you seen the bison out front?

No, I need to hear about this.

So you know what a bison is?

I sure do.

Eat them all the time.

Do you know what a buff?

You do eat them because they're healthy.

Yep.

Do you know what a buffalo looks like?

I sure do.

What are the differences?

I don't know.

Okay, so you don't understand.

I mean, I know.

You asked if I knew what a buffalo looks like.

I do.

What does it look like then?

The University of Colorado mascot them, Ralphie.

No, so that's actually a bison.

Son of a bitch.

Yeah, that is not a...

That's kidding me.

Yeah, that's illegal.

Yeah, that is a bison.

That's illegal.

That's like the buffalo.

Self-advertising, thank you.

Yeah, so they're going to have bison, actually.

Water buffaloes have these things here.

They have these things here off their heads.

Well, that's a water buffalo.

Bingo.

What's a regular buffalo?

Good question.

That's just what it is yeah it's a bison everything we've been calling a buffalo is is actually a north dakota state should take colorado's mascot to north dakota state is the bison yeah yeah

what the hell should be running around folsom field for a buffalo yeah one of these things yeah that's a water buffalo they're not called the water buffaloes that's what a buffalo is

there's no regular buffalo no it's a bison everything we've thought has been a buffalo has been a bison our entire

yes remember we did this entire thing yep because whenever they put the new statues, anyways, there's new statues coming in front of the Buffalo Bill.

They're bisons, which is what the Colorado Buffaloes have.

So the Buffalo Bill on the helmet is a bison.

It's technically a Buffalo bison.

But they're technically, that's fine because they don't call themselves the Buffalo Buffaloes.

Yeah, they're just folks.

So it's fine.

It's just their mask.

Anyways, they're going to have bisons.

How tall are these things going to be off?

About 18 feet, I believe.

How many of them?

Three.

Okay.

It's that high.

We have two bulls outside of NRG Stadium in Houston.

Bull versus bison.

How big is the bull?

Very large.

How big?

Do you know the feet?

I don't know.

Does it feel like it's big enough?

It's big.

Can you walk between its legs?

You could walk under it, yeah.

Can you hop on its back, ride it like a bucking bull?

You'd have to climb.

But you could get upper.

I would say you could.

Two J.J.

Watts could toss up her.

Yeah.

So it's about 12 feet?

I would say 12 feet is probably accurate.

No, I think it's a little taller than 12 feet.

You think that's?

It's on a pedestal.

It's on a pedestal.

Is it the chest or the head?

I think the top of the head is probably 20 feet.

So that seems like a big ass.

That's a big.

That's a big ass bull.

On a pedestal.

On a pedestal.

The pedestal, I am counting the pedestal.

Yeah, because that's the base of the trophy.

Correct.

So do people take pictures in front of it?

They do.

See, this is the research that Buffalo needed to do for their bison on the bottom.

Why do they have these things?

Everybody thinks that the bison is going to be too small.

Because we don't have a rendering?

We have renderings of everything in today's world.

The renderings have them very large.

And then the real size came out, and everybody's like, wait wait a minute, we've got baby-ass bison.

Oh, no.

The show continues.

Yeah, then the mammoth are going to have to put some mammoths outside.

That's a sick.

Great recommendation, by the way.

Thank you.

We did a little good brainstorming.

We're going to end here on ESPN.

We'll continue digitally.

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You don't have to tell us.

But if you'd like to continue to watch, we'll be on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, and TikTok Live.

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The Indiana Pacers are one win away from going to the NBA Finals.

It's going to be a tough one over there in Madison Square Garden.

This Nick seems tough.

Their fans are dedicated and loyal.

What's yours?

The Indiana Pacer faithful.

Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.

It might change their life, including Ben Stiller.

We'll see you tomorrow.

Goodbye.

All right, we nailed it.

Okay, let's get back.

I was just trying to fill there, Shrek's.

I was just trying to fill there.

So I went to the Bison talk.

You just.

There's no way that's correct.

All right.

That's not crazy.

Somebody filled me.

I mean, I don't, that's insane.

We had a tough day.

We did it live on the air.

Really?

Yeah.

That's the only reason why I know this.

And like, did somebody from the University of Colorado reach out and say, like, like they?

Yeah, they did, actually.

You're right.

They did.

They called our show because of what we did in a brainstorm session live on air.

And they said, you guys really

got to get to the bottom of this one.

University of Colorado, somebody out there, I mean, Dion's on socials everywhere.

He's going to see you.

Look, you got to see this.

Look, brother.

We need the buffalo answer.

That's bison.

Plains bison.

Bison, bison, bison.

I agree.

That looks exactly like Ralphie.

Yeah, woods bison.

Bison.

The buffalo's got the horns.

That's what they are.

Wow.

Got a Cape Buffalo and water water buffalo, two very different things there.

Yeah, similar horns, though, just one's a little bit more worn in.

So, how?

A little bit more fresh.

The water buffalo have fresher horns.

I'm baffled right now at how they've gotten away with this for 100 years.

You're allowed to call a bison a buffalo.

There's no crime against it.

No one's going to fight you over.

Yeah, nobody's going to arrest you.

That's not technically correct.

Yeah, you're just wrong.

2025.

Just call it anything.

So

it'd be like the New Orleans pelicans having a toucan as their mascot.

Yeah, but calling themselves a pelican.

Yeah, but calling themselves a pelican.

Yeah, I mean, pretty disrespectful, I guess, to bison, I think, kind of through this whole thing i guess that's really at the core of what i'm really upset on behalf and you remember how you started this whole thing i eat them every day that's what you're eating brother you're eating the buffalo oh man my son eats them too he loves loves bison

uh-oh probably take

it doesn't matter it's very good for you but maybe

i'm i'm more i've i've met ralphie i've visited the university of colorado i feel like i was lied to you were i don't think they did stain's not even ralphie

oh shit you're right i don't know if it's a he either oh we don't know anything We don't know anything.

Yeah, well, we do.

We do, actually, because we told you this.

I feel like you got to get Ben Stiller on the show.

Random thought.

I don't know if that's going to happen.

It has to happen.

He needs to clarify his tweets.

And I need to know if he's actually upset or not.

I don't think he's still on.

He needs to clarify.

I was reading the tweet.

I was literally reading it.

Connor has some cinematic questions as well, I do believe.

Yeah, gripes.

Yeah, but Ben Stiller has created some bangers throughout my life, which is why when I saw him, I was like, this is pretty sweet.

And then I was reading his tweets.

I'm like, Ben Stiller's not actually.

I personally didn't think that.

Bro, he's John Stiller.

I didn't think he was.

Severance.

He woke him on the show, I believe.

Severance is him.

Escaped from, what is it, Anomora or whatever?

That was a good one.

Dan Amoro.

He's not a silly guy necessarily.

He's a director.

He's not John Stiller.

He's not athletic either, Pat.

He's not an athlete.

He doesn't know how to go back and forth with athletes like you do.

He's not Hollywood kid.

He's a little different.

Okay, we appreciate the hell out of you, Shrieks.

I love you guys.

See you soon.

You're the man.

Laser Guy Schrager.

He's got to do a sports center in two minutes.

Great guy.

He's got to fix that hair.

Yeah.

Has a hat on.

Yeah.

Can't have tie a tie.

Cap on sports center.

Can't be doing that at all.

No.

Okay, let's get to a break.

On the other side, we have a national champion joining us.

We have a man from a family of lacrosse players joining us that we just learned about recently.

Should know about.

Doubt.

CJ Cursed is his name.

JJ.

Do you know him?

I do now.

He's from a great family, lacrosse players.

That is accurate.

Well done.

Big Cursed, what he was able to do with the the stick.

And then second, big cursed.

Yep.

Nasty mitts.

Third, big cursed.

Three cursed.

Great play.

Like the Elias family.

Nice, fourth curse.

They didn't grow up in Pittsburgh.

Yeah.

The cursed are actually from

not Pittsburgh.

I think Jersey.

Somebody here should have done research on this cursed fan.

We're going to do that right now, quickly.

We're going to do that right now, quickly.

Absolute dog.

The cursed family, from what we've been told from other people we know running the lacrosse family,

I got a lot of questions, so perfect.

Good, good family represent lacrosse, is what I'm being told.

What I'm being told is good family chit-chat about lacrosse just had one of the greatest years in the history of college lacrosse, tied the goal scoring record in the history of college lacrosse, and won a national championship.

This guy had six goals.

What was it?

How many goals?

Six goals to tie the record at 82.

Also, he has the most points ever in a career, has the most goals ever in a career.

And yes, I did remember he is, they are from New Jersey.

And he's six goals in the national championship.

I did.

I saw this highlight reel the other day.

I was

a freight trainer.

Yeah, he's a dog.

CJ Kirsten.

Cannot wait to talk to him on the other side.

Congrats to Cornell.

We continue to be a lacrosse, a pro-lacrosse show.

Absolutely.

A pro-LaCro-Go show.

Yeah.

Go, pro, lacro

show.

Just like we've been saying this entire time.

Exactly.

Did you ever play lacrosse out there in Wisconsin?

No.

It started to pick up right near the end.

In Wisconsin, it was hockey was still the winner.

You were a hockey player, right?

Yes.

Did you hear what the Oilers did to the Stars last night?

I did.

Oh, it's over.

It's over for Texas hockey.

Not over.

We'll win game five, then we'll see what happens after that, but we ain't dead yet.

We ain't dead.

They're playing La Bamba up there.

You don't know what happens with the Oilers.

The Oilers get very hot and they get very cold.

You just got to get them once.

Congrats to the Oilers.

4-1 win over the Dallas Stars last night.

Obviously, we were paying attention to the Pacers Knicks game because we were actually there.

Got a chance to catch the highlights.

It was only 2-1, then two empty netters.

Yeah.

So score a little bit different than how the game actually went.

But 4-1, still a massive win for the Oilers as they move 3-1 against the Dallas Stars.

And it does feel like we're heading towards

a potential rematch.

Yeah, all four series, 3-1 from both in the NBA and both in the NHL.

All right, let's get to a break on the other side.

We got a national champion joining us.

We can't wait to talk to him, learn about him and his family.

Can't wait to learn about La Crosse more.

I become an NLL guy.

Yeah?

Oh, yeah.

The kids all know about it.

The kids all know Curse, believe me.

They all love watching it.

Oh, really?

The La Crosse kids?

You're in touch with me.

My son, all of his friends mention, they talk about him, yeah, for sure.

He's got a LaCro family.

The Hawks.

Oh, Tabano.

The Hawks do LaCro.

I don't doubt that at all.

I bet they beat the shit out of people with those sticks.

They do, yes.

When the girls came, you're not allowed to, right?

No.

Yeah, girls are stupid.

They should let him play like the boys.

Legit, right?

My daughter plays, and she wants to wear pads and hit like everybody else, but they don't.

The girls, the rules are crazy.

It's vastly different, right?

It's like a vastly different game different because i was watching i was watching the college because the college girls was happening over the last couple weeks as well north carolina congrats unc so i was watching it and it was like oh this is a lot different and there wasn't it was it's like flag football versus real football oh we'll get into that too jage jage got some thoughts on that jade's got some flag football thoughts aj uh-oh thank you what position you want to play jage uh he wants to play actual football

i can't hit him that way it doesn't matter i think that's his whole we'll talk about that we'll talk lacrosse be a friend tell a friend something nice about change changing your life.

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You've seen the headlines, heard the debates.

The three-point ball has created a monotonous rhythm to the game and others.

Has the three-pointer ruined basketball?

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Sports!

That threw me off, D-Buck.

What did I do?

I thought I was about to get

right now.

Oh, shit.

You look like I'm a Jeff Landry right now.

No, no, no.

I'm doing D-Drop.

Oh, okay.

I thought that was the, and then I'll get it.

Maybe our four.

Maybe hour four.

Maybe hour four.

Excuse me.

The hair looks phenomenal.

It's blow out.

Wow.

I'm happy.

Why you didn't want that on TV?

You said, I'm not ready to date.

Oh, because you with new hairstyles does become a thing.

You remember when he did the

hat hair.

I mean, this was just on, but yeah, it is

pushback.

What was your tweet after the debut of a new hair?

You ever wonder if anybody will notice when you change your hairstyle?

They do notice, I believe, is what you say.

A lot of people noticed.

Yeah, what was it?

super bowl it was the super bowl

yeah this hair phenomenal no thanks you're looking like a superhero working on it

i appreciate it are you gonna let it grow long i'm trying i'm gonna i'm gonna see yeah i mean we got obviously on air in the fall so i got to see if it looks oh yeah hey

he's commentating games full slate cbs 32 overall booth

congratulations dude yeah ian eagle is obviously a pillar of sports commentary but also very good at his gig i think he's gonna set you up to be fantastic you wanted to call games Yeah, I mean, I got the taste of it in that Christmas Day game, Chief Steelers, and being in the stadium, being around it, Iron Eagle is literally one of the best in the business.

He's incredible.

He's going to make me look good.

So you're excited.

This hair is good for the booth.

Yes, it is.

Perfect.

This hair is very good for the booth.

We'll get back to that after our conversation with a man who is recently a national champion, recently a record breaker.

And our lacrosse source

are telling us that this guy is about to be

important.

Call.

I do not need to answer that.

Wow.

I do not need to answer.

People are making calls trying to get me to Madison Square Garden now, you know.

That is what happens whenever this takes place.

It's like, I don't even know if it's possible.

Schedule it's possible, isn't it?

Don't you think it is?

I'm like, I don't know.

A lot of calls.

I appreciate everybody doing that.

This man who's about to join us, from what we were being told by our source, says

in the lacrosse world, is going to be,

I forget the number.

The

fifth ever number one pick in the PLO and the NLO.

Fifth time ever where it would be the number one pick.

This guy's style of lacrosse could fit in box lacrosse and field lacrosse, I believe, is the two different styles of lacrosse.

PLL, Paul Rabel, big field.

Big field.

They're running a lot.

College lacrosse, same thing.

NLL, Chase Fraser.

Yeah.

Chase, a lot of this, a lot of this,

a lot of...

Feels like.

A lot of that.

A lot of brawling.

This guy's good for both because he's an absolute dog, a freight train, if you will, who has the skills that could only come from a family of lacrosse players that have committed their entire lives to the sport.

And he has been repaid mightily.

Gonna win the Tuarton.

Yes.

Has won the national championship.

Ladies and gentlemen, out of Cornell, CJ Curse.

Oh, yeah.

How you doing, bro?

That's Joe.

How we doing?

Thanks for having me.

Hey, how are you doing, man?

Where are you headed right now?

And is that the trophy?

how's it been has it been glued to your side since the moment you won it yup there we go yeah uh we're on the way to dc for the towards on ceremony with uh my buddy walker walls all-american defender

walker walls baby yeah yeah love that yeah we're having a blast uh how's it been as a national champion i've been told from my source cities close to the cornell camp that you guys have enjoyed this win and that you are uh kind of an old school style team where obviously a lot of work, a lot of grit, a lot of time and energy was spent into winning this national championship, not only for Cornell, but the Ivory League, you know, after the ACC kind of was running rampant with the entire thing.

And then you guys enjoyed the hell out of it and had good team camaraderie around it.

How has it been as a national champion, CJ?

Is it everything that you would hope for it to be?

Yeah, it's been incredible.

I mean, we...

Cornell alone hasn't done it in over 50 years and, you know, to bring the trophy back and, you know, know the all the support and just seeing everyone over the past couple of days and knowing how much work everyone's put into it it's an incredible feeling and uh it's special being able to hold this thing it's a dream come true you had six goals in the national championship uh that led to you breaking numerous records or even tying some records that nobody thought were ever going to be broken absolute dog uh and also as we learned your story and your family story your mom's an absolute beast huh the mom mama curse is an absolute beast over there can you talk about her a little bit?

And can you talk about your family being a lacrosse, a royal family in La Crosse as a whole?

Yeah, no, my mom's the best.

She's our rock.

She's been there, supported us every step of the way, incredible motivator.

And, you know, all my brothers as well, you know, Connor, Colin, Cole, Caden,

being able to give them a hug after the game was an incredible feeling.

And, you know, I...

Wouldn't be here without them.

So I'm super thankful for all of them and all the support they've given me over the years.

So your family fully committed to lacrosse?

Did you guys play any other sports?

And when did you figure out like, oh, this is the one that Connor, Cole, Caden, and CJ and

right there.

That was so close.

Yeah.

Anyways, when did you guys decide that lacrosse was going to be the sport that your entire family was going to dominate?

Yeah, no, we grew up playing everything, everything you can imagine.

And then, you know, our dad played in college.

He played at Rutgers.

And then he coached us when we were little.

And, you know, all our our buddies always loved lacrosse.

And, you know, when we were younger,

that's what we love doing.

And, you know, that's kind of what

we

gravitated towards when we were a little kid.

So, you know, that's just what we love.

And, yeah, we always play lacrosse.

Rest in peace to your father.

He's looking down, watching you guys dominate the sport.

And I assume he's incredibly proud and happy with what the boys have accomplished.

Your brother plays at Rutgers, I do believe, currently.

So obviously the family is being represented in the sport mightily.

Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah, CJ, can you take us back to those, I know you guys had some battles in the backyard I've read about where you guys just go beat the hell out of each other with those lacrosse sticks and everything.

What was that like and how did that kind of propel you into the trajectory you're on?

Obviously number one pick to the water dogs, everything that you've just done.

Like how when you look back, did that prepare you for everything going on?

Yeah, 100%.

I mean, growing up, having, you know, my older brothers never take it easy on me, you know, and then having Caden as my younger brother and trying to, you know, be hard on him, you know, that's what motivated me to get here.

I mean, that's the reason why I'm here, you know, playing with them and especially being that little kid, dreaming about playing on a big stage like this and, you know, just competing with them and seeing how hard they worked.

You know, and I wanted to be just like them and, you know, super thankful that, you know, they taught me everything they know.

And that's the reason why I'm here.

So, you know, I love them to death for everything that they've given me.

I love that you continue to compete while getting your ass beat.

You know, like that is,

that's a little brother syndrome in an entire thing.

And if you keep going, obviously the benefits will be there from all of it.

Why do you think your style is good for the PL and the NLL?

We looked it up.

Only five people in the history of lacrosse have been the projected number one overall picks for both.

Very different styles of play, I do believe.

Why do you think that is the case for your style of play?

And have you always been like this?

Yeah, I mean, box lacrosse alone is probably

the most physical and the hardest game version of lacrosse there is that's out there.

And, you know, being able to play that in Canada a couple of summers ago and learning how hard, how hard, how difficult that is.

And then, you know, being able to

play in college and, you know, learning the game at the highest level.

You know, you got to figure out ways to score.

You got to figure out different ways to play.

And, you know, you can't do it the same way.

You got to bring a different version on game day.

And so, you know, I think that's why the game is so great because you can be so creative.

You can have so much fun with it.

But, you know, there's so many styles out there that could be successful.

And, you know, just trying to play the version that's best for me.

And that's just, you know, playing hard and trying to find the back of the net.

Yeah, I'll just score six goals in a national championship.

Yep.

No big deal.

Biggest game.

Okay.

Need to play the best?

You got it.

How many times do you have to find a touchdown?

Walker Walls in the back in defense, dude, all-American.

He's pickbocking back.

Yeah, the big fellows.

Pickback.

He's got one of the long sticks.

Oh, yeah.

He's got one of those long sticks.

And, you know, we heard about the cursed boys beating the shit out of each other in the backyard.

You should have seen what Walls was doing.

He's chopping down trees with

cops.

Yeah, he was chopping it down.

It's boy.

He was really getting to go.

Connor has a question for you, boys.

Yeah, CJ.

Hopefully, I don't screw up this name, but I believe George Boyardi is a big story with the Cornell Lacrosse team.

They kind of talked about it on the broadcast about how you guys, when you're in the gym, you know, working out, you don't do 20 reps, you do 21.

Can you just talk about him and kind of the importance and the motivating factor of his passing 21 years ago?

And also, did you get to speak to his family after the game?

Was there anything with them once you guys secured the national championship?

Yeah, George Boyarti is, you know, what Cornell La Cross is all about.

You know, you think about, you know, all the years that, you know, everyone has put on the jersey and, you know, all the long red line that we say with all the alums.

And, you know, George is the ultimate teammate.

You know, he's the best leader and motivator anyone's ever been around.

And, you know, he unfortunately passed away on our field, choke off field, you know, trying to block a shot.

And, you know, for this to be the 21st anniversary of George and be able to get it done and bring this back to Intaca is incredible.

And, you know, to get all those hugs and text messages now from all the alums to see his family hold the trophy, you know, it's just an incredible feeling.

And, you know, everyone who's ever had the opportunity to step inside our locker room and touch the sign and, you know, be a part of this special program, you know, everyone is just so happy.

And, you know, we did it for George.

We did it for Coach Moran.

We did it for A.M.

as well.

You know, we got it done.

We brought it back.

That's an awesome story.

I love where we pay tribute, you know?

Yeah.

Good things happen.

Now, La Crosse feels like a tight group, obviously, still paying tribute there.

And, you know, I watched Vino celebrate this Cornell team all year.

Oh, yeah.

And the alumni are kind of, I think they're always behind or have become fully behind this particular team at Cornell.

Feels like a beautiful thing.

Couldn't imagine how tight the team is, especially with Walker Walls on the back.

Yeah, boys.

Yeah, boys.

And that entire thing.

We don't know the ins and outs of the culture there.

So, JJ has a question for you.

This road trip looks incredible.

Obviously, you just won a national championship.

You got your boy Walker driving, Walker driving.

Who's on the aux?

What's on the aux?

And what kind of snacks do we got?

Good question.

Yeah, no, Walker's taking care of all that.

Just made a big pit stop at Sheets, picked up a couple of things, chicken tenders, whatnot.

Did we do the MTO order?

Yeah, yeah.

Give me that.

Yeah, here.

We'll get.

There it is.

Yeah, Walker knows the deal here.

Where are you from, Walker?

Richmond, Virginia.

Okay, nice.

I like that you like Sheets.

Just want to let you know.

Sheets is obviously an incredible state.

But what are you playing on the aux, brother?

What are we listening to?

I don't know.

What we're trying to do is put together one of those power hours with the mixes from the commentators this weekend.

That's what some of the national championship teams do.

That's what we really need to get it done.

If anyone out there can do it.

How has it been the last few days?

You boys have been celebrating there?

I don't really know.

Cornell types.

Sorry.

I apologize.

What is the celebration?

Because I heard you guys played.

Obviously, Foxborough was

packed.

That was insane.

I assume the support from school was pretty wild.

Has the celebration been awesome?

I assume it has been.

Yeah, it's been incredible.

You know, we got back to Ithaca after the game, and, you know, we were able to rip it up with just your teammates.

And then yesterday we had graduation.

All the seniors' parents were there.

And,

you know, we had a little parade too, which was which was epic.

But it's been an unreal couple hours.

Not the boys really haven't gotten much sleep because, you know, we've just been fucking ripping it.

I think you have to.

I think you have to, pal.

All right.

Enjoy the travels.

Enjoy the chicken tendies.

And congrats on a historic season.

Congrats on the national championship and uh we can't wait to see what you go on to do brother oh thank you really appreciate it you guys the best let's go let's go

yeah

see jake walker walls did he say they're gonna do a power hour with the commentary with the commentary that's pretty awesome

he said i think they they said other teams have done this in the past we gotta ask the kavanaughs yeah i wonder if they've done it yeah i wonder who created the idea has that been passed along with the trophy you get the trophy and on the bottom of it there's like a little piece of paper.

Hey, cool thing to do with this.

Have a power hour with commentators.

That's great.

Power hour, right?

That was never my gig.

It's a good time.

I was a beard chucker.

True.

It gets the conversations rolling.

I mean, you get to the back half.

Yeah, but also I did.

You blow them.

Yeah.

Yeah, no doubt.

No doubt.

You got to be.

You got to be.

You got to play Edward 40 hands.

That's what I thought they'd be doing.

I didn't mind that because I can make things disappear quickly.

And I do have an active bladder, so that was going to motivate me quicker.

But the issue is the more you put down, the quicker it has to come out.

So you've got to really have a a mental battle there with every funny.

What's the power hour?

Power hour is like shot of beer every 60 seconds.

Yeah, every minute.

And normally there's like a

shot of beer.

So it comes out like six and a half.

Yeah, six, seven beers.

An hour?

Yeah, in one hour.

Unless you do a double.

And there's clever, you know, music where it's like a minute long, as soon as a song change.

Okay, you take a shot.

So a lot of people took a lot of pride in the list, the playlist, and that entire thing.

So they're using commentators, calls.

That's so sick.

So like, you know, that's a free, that's a lot of 60 calls.

It's got to be a lot of.

I don't know if I could do my whole career.

Oh, Jage.

You might have noticed moments.

They could have just shifted to different turned down for once.

You know what I mean?

In the moment.

Now they might do it for your hair.

They might.

I'm telling you, this might be the best, Jake.

I'm just going back to the hat.

No, hold on.

Oh,

you're not losing it.

No, no, no, it's not losing the hair.

It's throw it out.

I don't think you can go much longer, though.

Just, you know, if you're going to be on TV,

you're going to have this middle stage my second day ever trying this this so i don't i gotta feel have you thought about doing a ponytail in the booth see that will not happen exactly okay i mean it is tough to pat's point once the sides get to a certain point it's it's hard it's pretty brutal

i do like yeah to flow out of the back like some good lettuce yeah mark did have a good ponytail he had good hair strong hair in sanchaise yeah sanchize had a ponytail he put that thing on the side sometimes too this looks really good though i think it shapes your gigantic head right Because you got one of those big ones.

You got one of those big mothers.

That's partially why I keep lifting because I feel like if I let my body get too small, alien type.

Yeah, I'm going to look a little weird.

Head's going to be so big.

Yeah, like an alien.

But I think that's good hair right there.

I don't think you would look like a freak, but I think, like Connor implied there, but I do think that looks good.

I think that'd be good for the booth.

I'm excited for you to be in the booth, too.

That's a lot of travel, bro.

AJ, isn't it?

I mean, AJ and I have called two, three games together, and my only thought is this is so much time doing all this stuff.

you travel you travel four times a week who are what are you talking about yeah but my i you might be going to new york in the morning like you don't know like you probably in the afternoon if i had a guess we're looking at this quick turnaround here got a lot of conversations going on go baby go go wife go family go to business go

a lot of things going on in entire next week but i sign next week is absurd i don't even want to get into it next week's travel schedule absurd but i signed up for it knowing that your thing was like i don't want to travel remember because you're only doing like six cbs or seven cbs because you didn't want to have to travel around for it all then you jump into commentating it's like that's a lot of

it is it is yeah and ownership yeah i'm looking forward to it i'm looking forward to it i love being in the stadium like i i love the nfl i love the football i love being actually there i love the audience i love the players i love so i'm really looking forward to it so the netflix thing christmas was yeah it was definitely an eye-opener yeah being because i hadn't been back in stadiums really much like that and it was just there's a great vibe about it i just i really enjoy it and i love talking ball I love having the elongated time to discuss the game and to talk people through what's going on and to talk them through the situations and what coaches and players might be thinking.

I'm really looking forward to that.

Have you been practicing?

Have you been doing fake games?

Oh, I mean, I did the one last year.

Obviously, I've been watching a ton of games.

I sit down, talk with the producers, talk with Ayan, and we're going through it all.

But yeah, I mean, a lot of it comes down to making sure you know the rules, the situations, things like that, because the actual football stuff is A, stuff from your own head, but B, from conversations you have with coordinators and you already have your schedule I mean I know we're we're the we're the second booth so we it doesn't come you don't know your schedule until sometimes the week before so the answer is no correct thank you I mean I know when I know when I'm gonna be gone I just don't know what day you get in town yeah you get in there like Thursday or Friday like sometimes it can be a long weekend no Saturdays have been great they're very good with me oh good lose Saturday and back out Sunday I'm trying they fall out all the time I mean it's awesome for us that you're in the booth honestly because sometimes

some of the booths are a little

difficult to shike, if you will.

The reason why they're shy.

Give me your top things you like about a commentator and your top two things.

We have no idea because if you might do something in your own way that's better than what everybody else is doing, it's hard to judge.

Sometimes I like somebody doing something and then somebody else trying it.

I hate it.

So it's like, I think you got to.

If you care, if we feel like you care, I think for me at least, when I see like, hey, this dude loves ball, like,

I can get into it for sure.

That's why people rip on Romo now.

They loved him early on, but then now he kind of is just like freewheeling and people are like, oh, this guy doesn't fucking prepare at all.

He doesn't play golf all week and gets out there.

That's the negative about Tony, which there always is going to be.

Whenever you're calling games, there's always going to be a negative about you, by the way, because you're going to have to call the worst moment in a team's history.

So you're going to be the one that's going to be the voice over that.

You're going to be the one delivering the news to the fans that love team that, hey, they're fucking up here.

As somebody that has pointed out some things.

To a team.

In the city that I'm in, a team that I'm pretty close to, their fans got met pissed.

Their fans are still pissed.

Colts fans are still mad at me for pointing out the very obvious about, hey, this is not how a professional football team operates.

Very obvious, very low-level professional football conversation, like very, very low.

And they get pissed at me because I'm the one delivering that news.

That is what you're signing up for.

You know, that is something that you're signing up for.

So I think what you have to remain

is confident because you're going to want to change with what people are saying to you.

But no matter how much you change, you're going to piss people off.

Yeah, stick to your gun for sure.

Like Brady early on was not good.

I think it was pretty clear.

I don't think he was comfortable.

Yeah, whether it was comfortability or just not knowing when things were going to happen and how much time he had.

But like he just stayed Tom Brady.

And then by the end of it, he was really, really good at broadcasting.

Andrew, J.J.

Watt, just like he's Tom Brady.

And AJ, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this or not, but it's your sport.

So like Gorms used to tell this to me whenever I was getting started.

He's like, nobody can tell you how to talk about your sport.

Like it's your sport.

Who's going to tell you your sport better than you?

Well, this isn't an interesting thing to talk about in your sport.

Well,

if I think it's interesting, it is like because it is your sport.

Like you are one of the pillars in the history of the game.

You'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

So whatever you find interesting about the sport, I think you should hammer home, but you shouldn't alienate the doofuses.

You know what I mean?

Like that is something to think.

I'm very well aware of that.

I think that being able to talk to the audience like you're a fan as well and being just as excited, to AJ's point, the passion, the energy, but also interjecting that experience and that knowledge that you have and some of that insider ball and that hair that you have

they're gonna come to the they're gonna do boot shots yeah all I know is some boot shots on JJ's hair and call a Steelers game I'm gonna need you to kill TJ yeah if he deserves it let's go ahead and talk about it can't just be like oh my brother's freaking awesome no matter what I say in that game I will be considered biased and no matter like there's there's definitely it's to your point every single game you're gonna get crushed on social media

possibly from both sides And that's just the way that it goes.

I'm

well equipped to handle that now.

Crushed.

Oh, yeah.

Like, you just look any commentator's name.

Yeah.

It's crushed.

I mean.

No matter what you do.

I mean, Pat gave away $2 million and got crushed.

But, I mean, with you, like, you actually brought it up before the Steelers Chiefs came.

You're like,

you said it in the booth before the game started.

Like, well, it's going to be fun because no matter what I say today, like, it's going to turn out bad for me because TJ is playing in the game.

And I'm not going to act like he's not my brother.

We're not going going to pull wool over each other's eyes here.

I'm not a moron.

Like, I know that.

Yeah, but what if you say, you know, this is why that contract issue is such a big deal?

You know, TJ's clearly not as comfortable as offseason was.

His off-season was a little bit off.

He's not that hurt.

It's not off.

I can tell you that.

I was just watching him train the other day.

He looks...

Oh, okay.

We got a little info.

Okay, we got a little info.

He looks good.

He looks very good.

Let's go to Hammer.

Don, Todd.

Tone, Tege looks good.

That's what we're hearing.

He's training just like anybody else that could potentially be a Pittsburgh Steeler, Tone.

Tege always looks good.

That's never going to be a question.

I knew there was going to be a little more piss in his vinegar this offseason.

It felt like.

Yep.

A little more piss in his vinegar.

A little more piss in his vinegar.

Vinegar, not vinegar in his piss.

No, yeah, he has vinegar in the shelf.

And he takes that out and he says, let's have a big offseason, pisses in it, puts it right back up there.

Bingo.

You guys never heard that one before?

That's weird.

No, just because, you know, the season before, he definitely should have won Defensive Player of the Year and got robbed in that one.

Didn't win last year.

And, you know, there was, it got a little bit loud over the last few games.

So I knew Teja was going to come in and get ready, especially, you know what?

He's got Mace's back, too.

Mason and him had a good conversation this last summer.

He said, Mason, I'm going to need you.

And TJ said, I got you, Dob.

Mason knew this last summer he was going to be.

You know, this current summer we're in.

Oh, a couple of years ago.

And we're not here in the summer yet.

Memorial Day just happened.

This summer, brother.

Okay, so you're saying two days ago, Mason and TJ had a conversation.

Yeah, I got an inside source.

TJ has goatee.

Is that what we're hearing to?

That would be cool.

A goatee?

Yeah, like Mace's goatee.

Well, Macey's got mustache now, but.

Hadn't seen it.

Oh, this guy isn't even paying attention to Pittsburgh Steelers at this point.

His brother's on the damn team.

Who would you rather have, JJ?

Someone who's come in, prepared, you know, made flashcards for the team, been there with the wide receivers and stuff like that, or someone who's squirting squirt guns at Lollapalooza.

He's not Lollapalooza.

He's having a good time at a concert for Mike Studd.

Yeah, eating bark.

Now, chewing bark, Terry Bradshaw says after he hears this guy talk, it makes him want to chew bark, which maybe that's good for

the health.

We don't know proteins.

Probably teeth.

We have no idea what he's indicating.

Beneficial.

But yeah, what do you think?

About chewing bark?

No,

which hypothetical quarterback would you rather have?

Now, the one that's at Lollapalooza playing with squirt guns is a first battle Hall of Famer.

Very, very good.

Probably going to make the team better, but, you know, comes with some baggage, maybe.

what fake what's the baggage he wants to wear number 12

well oh is that what terry's bitten

yeah

i think tb's gonna go down easily in that entire thing terry bradshaw won a lot for the city of pittsburgh four super bowls my bro how come we never really i don't know hear about it that's a great question actually from pittsburgh grew up in pittsburgh have no idea why terry bradshaw's not more well seven was better so

okay but he's free to say that because of how.

I mean, that was his generation, too.

Yeah, but in Pittsburgh, you would think that there would be like,

hey, Terry, Bradshaw, you know, that type of thing.

But instead, it's like Steel Curtain, everything that happened back.

You remember what Lynn used to do in Swan?

This guy's unbelievable.

Yeah, like that Franco, Jay's the Immaculate.

Everybody can play.

Everybody except the Pittsburgh.

I mean, that's what, four Super Bowls, right?

Yeah.

And I mean, you can look at his highlights today, and they age like what guys are doing today, Terry Bradshaw.

He He put his finger on top of that ball because his hands are so large, Jam Hawks.

Let alone the entire story of him going on to be one of the biggest personalities in the history of sports.

Yeah, but instead, Pittsburgh hates him.

No, I think I hate him.

And he hates Pittsburgh.

I don't think he hates him.

I don't think he goes back,

does he?

Yeah, I don't know if he hates Pittsburgh.

No, there was the end of his career.

There was a bit sour because he had an injury and, you know, he thought Steelers' organization might not have done right by him.

And he didn't speak well a couple times about, you know, it's a

40-50 years ago.

You know, Terry.

Terry didn't say that.

People don't forget, AJ.

Take a say good things, you know, on the way out.

That was half a century ago.

Him and Chuck Noll.

Didn't really get along at the end, you know, was the rumors.

So.

Chucky Knoll.

And toward the beginning.

I made it.

And the beginning.

Chuck Noel brought us four Super Bowls, by the way.

So Terry!

Yeah.

Terry's quarterback.

Chuck Noel was at the wheel.

We all know it.

All right.

Okay, so there's a Tom Brady-Bill Belichick situation in Pittsburgh way back, and just the generations of Yensers are like, we don't speak it, Terry.

We like it, John.

I just can't think of another, like Aikman, Cowboys, Marino.

He didn't win a Super Bowl.

You're right.

He's royalty.

Terry's on TV.

Barf Green Bay, no matter what he does, he's still royalty.

I wouldn't say that.

Hey, Rod.

Like, I mean, I can't think of another quarterback multiple championships in the city with that type of relationship.

Ladies and gentlemen, TB, thanks for what you did for Pittsburgh.

I wasn't alive.

Didn't really talk about it much, but

the immaculate reception is right there in the airport.

Thank you, Frank Giller.

Ball on the ground and all.

No.

No.

You can put a playing card underneath there, bro.

Yeah, I'm sure.

All right.

Thanks, Tone.

Really good work out of you today.

Thank you.

He's also somewhat forgetful.

If you remember when we were supposed to have him on the show at Super Bowl week, and he spent the next like four days just walking around the convention center trying to, where the hell is McAfee's set at?

They couldn't find him is what we were told.

Yes, correct.

We had a camera set up at Radio Row because we decided not to go down to Radio Row because the year prior, we had four people in a foot by two foot space at radio row so pointless to go down to radio row but we'll set up a camera down there you see we beat the game two foot by two foot space we'll put a camera there then we can just stop people that come by got terry bradshaw tomorrow oh huge yes can't wait probably would have talked about this yeah we were just talking about in there and then five minutes before he's supposed to come on we can't find terry bradshaw What do you mean you can't find Terry?

He was here.

We can't find him.

And then they were told that Terry couldn't find the camera.

So we thought there was a chance he was just wandering around Radio Roads.

They found him later.

He's like out in the middle of a field, just like throwing a football on the bottom.

Yeah, exactly.

Throwing a football on the bench.

He's great on Fox, has been for so long.

When he traveled, I think he went to Japan.

Good actor.

Yeah, he's a great actor.

He showed his cheeks in that Matt McConaughey movie.

Yeah.

Is that why they don't like him?

I think Pittsburgh people would be cool with him showing cheeks

in a McConaughey movie.

Pittsburgh people ain't afraid of Pollocks.

I genuinely, we brought that up this morning.

Like, why is Terry Bradshaw not?

And everybody's like, he did something.

We'd have to talk to an old-timer.

That was legit.

And then

Tim McBee comes in.

I go, hey, how come Terry Bradshaw?

Hey, he was good to me.

Yeah, I liked him.

I was moving somebody into the building that he worked at.

He came down, him and his lady at the time, something Starbucks.

And he said, hello, wish me luck.

And he's always done right by me.

And then Tim just, I don't know why we don't talk about him.

Cool.

Everybody's like, yeah, let's call him Kaboli.

Let's call him Mark Kaboli.

Kaboli will have an answer.

You know, Kaboli, how do you feel about Kaboli?

I don't know him well enough to have an attack.

J hates Mark Caboli.

That is what I just heard there.

I know he's a friend of the program.

He's a correspondent of the program.

It is 2.45.

He might be on second nap.

Shit.

He might be in the

middle of second nap.

I'm not sure.

Well, siesta?

It is right after you.

Second nap, third lunch.

You know, you might.

Well, they're right.

They're right, you know, they coincide.

If he has a mayonnaise sandwich on deck, like, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, correspondent for our program, also a WWE

calmest.

Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Bowling.

Yeah, boy.

Mark, they said you were potentially on your second nap, third lunch.

Nice to see you out at work.

What are you doing right now, brother?

Of course.

I'm actually

watching

probably something I'm not supposed to be watching inside the Steelers facility.

Flip the camera.

Who is it?

Yeah, flip the.

There we go.

I don't think you should.

You can show us quick.

Probably should.

You're good.

Zoom in.

I can't zoom in.

They're probably yelling at me.

Don't zoom in.

You got it.

Now you're good.

No.

Closer to teeth.

That's where we're going.

I can't quite see the nostalgia.

I can't see the hairs.

Hold on.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Like, I can tell you who it is.

It was Will Howard.

Oh, Will Hard.

We like seeing Will Hard went from Will Hard to your teeth, and now get a chance to see it.

There he is, man.

There he is.

What the fuck?

Hey, thank you, Kaboli, for the on field.

Boots on the ground.

What that baby will?

All right, keep it down.

Keep it down.

Hey, quick question for you, Mark here.

Not about Will Hard or the current Steelers team or TJ Watts

situation, but JJ being here.

Anyways, Kabols, hey, how come Terry Bradshaw's never talked about like with the Pittsburgh Steelers?

We were trying to figure it out.

We couldn't find an answer.

Me, Toe, and Nick, we're just like,

he did something.

That's what everybody always says.

He's like one of the most famous NFL pundits, won four Super Bowls in Pittsburgh.

I think anytime they show highlights, obviously, it's Pittsburgh Steelers' highlights.

And it's like, I don't think I remember anybody talking about him growing up.

Like, Terry Bradshaw's a guy that we love around here.

Why is that?

Well, you have to be old, first of all.

I think people still talk about him, but you have to be of a certain age group to talk about him in this city.

For some of the actually people in the city really didn't appreciate him not showing up

for,

I believe, the Chiefs' funeral way back in the day as well.

So some people might not like him as that.

But a lot of people still believe that he is maybe the best Steelers quarterback of all time, even though Ben came in and probably

super surpassed that a little bit.

So I don't know if I'm answering your question here right now, but I I think it's more of a regional thing here he probably be should be getting more publicity than he did just with the four Super Bowls in six years yes especially in Pittsburgh like the amount of I don't want to say autograph signings but you paint like everything that you would think would happen never really saw him back around would like to let Terry know hey thanks for what you did for Yensers back in the day buddy

not great at not showing up maybe there was a scheduling conflict or who knows what the case is but all right Caboli we appreciate you tell Will hard we appreciate him yeah I think he's in a little bit of a meeting right now so i can't scream at him so i'll do it that's smart smart smart thank you

is aaron rogers there i heard he's not showing up at otas oh he's not on team

he's not at otas but apparently he was staying at a really uh cheesy hotel in the strip district over the weekend so yeah of course follow her at a radio station

Okay, all right, ladies and gentlemen, Mark Kaboli, thank you.

Yeah, Mark.

Cheesy hotel down in Strip District.

Great.

nice district.

Okay.

Strip district's very nice.

That was the rumor.

Someone apparently saw him at a hotel staying in the strip over the week.

At a cheesy?

What does that mean?

I don't know.

I think

maybe a not-so-nice hotel.

Probably a hotel.

He probably meant sleazy.

Yeah.

Oh, so he just said cheesy.

They meant sleazy down in the strip.

Is there?

I thought they redid the strip.

There's still still parks.

Yeah, but they got that indoor putt-butt bar.

That place is sweet.

That place was sweet.

That's a cool soccer field there.

Really?

What is it?

Indoor?

Stadium?

No.

Oh, River.

I'm the River.

Oh, you're talking about North Shore everywhere.

Hi, Mark.

That ain't the strip district.

I didn't.

I was just saying they have a cool soccer field.

I didn't believe that it was real the first time you said that.

No, it's Downstation Scare.

Yeah, dude.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Downstation Scare you're talking about, not North Shore.

Okay.

Let me tell you about Station Scare.

All right.

Used to be the greatest haunted anything in the history.

Okay.

You go down there, it was like a state fair, but it was haunted.

They had this clown that they would put a microphone in front of.

Greatest shit talker in the history.

Do you remember this guy, Nick?

This clown that used to shit talk?

He should be a professional.

I don't know what he does.

This clown, as soon as you walk in, some sort of athletic feat, he's sitting at the top of it, creepy looking, obviously, incredibly creepy,

chirping, talking shit to every single person in there.

Then obviously you got a haunted house down there.

You got to sign waivers.

They're going to touch you.

They're good.

Yep.

Free rain.

Yep.

Boy.

One, two.

Yeah, they're going to get you.

Yeah, I was never allowed to go because of that reason.

Now they turned it off.

You wouldn't sign the waivers.

The parents wouldn't let me go.

No, the coach wouldn't let me go.

He didn't want me me getting stabbed by one of the lunatics down there.

Yeah, which they would try to get you because their goal was to make you scared.

And if you weren't scared from a punch or maybe a shoulder, there's a chance they were going to gut you.

Well,

that would scare you.

Coach then would have to go kill somebody again.

You know, he didn't want to do that.

Okay.

Coach ain't kill anybody.

You remember when Station Scare had one of the greatest cowboy bars, country bars of all time?

What was that place called?

Something Saloon?

Nick.

Saddle Ridge?

Saddle Ridge, yeah.

There it is.

Not a saloon at all.

Saddle Ridge was the name of the place.

Tequila Cowboy?

Tequila Cowboy is a good spot.

That's on the North Shore.

That is name, Station Square.

Station Square used to be a great spot.

Not everybody wanted to go as much as me.

I always wanted to end up at Station Square.

I wanted to go to Station Scare every week.

Our last

St.

Patty's Day there, you wanted to go so bad.

So bad.

So bad.

Get me down to Station Scare because they got that country boy.

That homeless guy.

Well, brought the homeless guy out with us.

He had a great St.

Patrick's Day, probably the greatest holiday he's ever had in his entire life.

Last one, right?

Don't doubt it.

Nick got left on the curb for the homeless guy.

That's not true.

Nick was with another guy.

The homeless guy needs a ride.

Sorry, Nick.

That's not true.

We actually didn't get in the cars.

That's tough.

Cars came outside.

We chose not to get in cars.

We're going to hang out with this homeless guy.

Nick didn't get the message.

Oh, man.

Nick was a different group.

He was at a different time.

It was a different thing going on.

The group he was with, I wasn't signing up for.

How did the homeless guy earn the spot?

He's right there in the corner, had a sign

knocking lights for beer.

And I said, you got it.

All the beer you want today, buddy.

Come on.

And he joined us.

Their buddy, Joe Hadley of Joe Hadley for Noah.

No, that is not true.

That is not true, anyways.

Uh,

Station Scare used to be a great spot, North Shore is a great spot.

Uh, Station Scare is still good, they got that stadium down there.

Strip District, though, Aaron Rodgers is hanging out in the strip district.

I guess that would be a place that Aaron Rodgers would go to, the strip district.

Certainly believable.

AJ, why is he just hanging around Pittsburgh, but he doesn't want to sign with the Steelers?

I don't understand.

He just wants to see the stadium.

I mean, yeah, I guess so.

I guess he is really just checking everything out.

I don't know.

That is, is there any video footage of him at the script district?

No, call it a radio show.

Caller in a radio show.

Call it in TV, said he's seen Aaron Rodgers this weekend.

Maybe he shows up at OTAs.

Then he doesn't show up at OTAs for a team that he's not signed to, and people say he's not even at OTAs.

And then the reason why he didn't sign with the team is because he doesn't want to go to.

OTAs.

Exactly.

It's a wonderful little story.

Speaking of stories, anytime JJ Watt joins us, we like to have the people ask the questions that they've been yearning to ask JJ since the first time they've seen him.

Maybe it was hard knocks when he took over.

Maybe it was when he was scoring touchdowns.

Maybe it was when he was creating a Hall of Fame career.

Maybe it was when he debuted a new hairstyle, whether at the Super Bowl or right here today.

This one.

Yeah, top notch.

A plus.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for hashtag Ask Jage.

What do you say?

Hashtag ask

Jage.

Milled.

How many people call you Jage on a day-to-day?

Would you say?

Two.

Okay.

Let's go to some hashtag Ash Just Me?

More today, yeah.

Me and Teach.

Yeah.

What's Derek call you?

Jage.

That's two.

Well, what I call

Jage.

I haven't seen them today.

So you're the first, this crew is the first one to call me Jage today.

Okay.

How many people in your life call you Jage?

Generally, two.

Since I'm here today, three.

What about the wife, though?

Wife doesn't go, Jage.

She does not call me Jage.

no that'd be great how about dad i've seen dad dad looks like he can hammer some beers oh yeah hammer some beers he's never had about 40 50 beers

go give me another beer he's not no he looks a hard nose he looks like hard nose i can see it packed he does not drink

does he smoke weed no

Die Code firefighter

firefighter okay so that that makes I'm sorry now granted the fact that he's a firefighter and doesn't drink I think that is a little surprising but also thank you for your commitment to serving your community mr.

Watt Watt.

He doesn't say, Jake, get over here.

No, no, he actually does say Jage.

Yeah, he does.

Okay, I'm happy we get to the bottom.

He does.

I don't like when I got to do investigative journalism with every fucking question.

Okay, I just want to let you know that, Jake.

What do people call you?

Kafi.

P.M.

Yeah, P-M.

Kafi.

Kafi.

Yeah, Patty.

Patty, Patty Cake.

Patty Mac.

Patty Mac is cool.

I've been called Patty Mac before.

I've been called Patty Mac before.

P-Mac, Patty Mac.

McCaffey.

McCaffey a lot.

People call me McCaffey a lot.

Stadium MCs, actually, for my entire rookie year, called me McAfee, which is really cool at all.

Your rookie year?

Oh, wait, well, first of all, they called me Adam Vinatari because I was kicking off and they didn't know it was me.

They called me Adam Vinatari.

That was pretty cool.

Could little pop in some new places.

I was a Hall of Famer out there.

I actually gave credit to Adam for one of my on-site kicks, which was sweet to actually think about.

I'm getting called Adam Vinatari.

And then other places would call me McAfee.

I think Houston did it one time.

In the punt, number one, Patrick McCaffey.

I'm like, fucking A.

Yeah.

I'm in the NFL.

Thought Thought I made myself here.

Did not.

PM is a new one.

Everyone called PM.

PM is pretty fired, though.

PM's good.

What are you going to call me, Jage?

I like Patty Mac.

I think I'm going to go with that now.

I like that.

Is every conversation we have, you're going to say Patty Mac?

Should I?

I think it's going to be tough to commit to.

The people that try to call me Patty Mac, then they realize difficult one.

There's a lot.

Would it annoy you or would you be on board?

I'd be cool with it, but I think you would feel annoyed saying it.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, let's give it a shot.

I mean, if it fails, it fails.

All right.

Sounds good, Jake.

Patty Mac.

Hashtag Ash Jage.

Let's get to him.

This one's from Jacob Slife at Slife28.

Hashtag Ash Jage.

Any hunter-wiped shits lately?

Official AJ Hawk told me to ask you, says Jacob.

I don't know if Jacob is potentially AJ's neighbor or maybe his burner, but would like to know if you've potentially just rubbed your cheeks dry lately.

I mean, I think AJ and I obviously were on one side of this, and you somehow are on the other side of this, but I think we represent most normal people out there that, yeah, every now and then, once, maybe twice a year, there's a messy situation.

100 wipes, that was just you saying that.

Well, I mean, that's just that, that's insane.

You mean like 50?

There's a lot.

I mean, yeah, I don't know.

I don't count.

How many?

How many?

We don't count.

One.

It's a significant situation.

Over 30?

Three.

I have a question for you because

four.

That's geez.

Here we go.

Here we go.

Five.

Son of a bitch.

Six.

Six.

Seven.

Eight.

Yeah.

Actually, it takes longer because you got to get it off the spool and you got to do

that's only one-tenth of what you said.

No, you're spending that much time wiping your ass after you poop?

There's a once-in-a-year situation, maybe after a you know, a heavy bean

beans and tacos or something, you know, that just gets real, real wild.

It gets real out there and it's tough.

But no, I would say the standard and dude wipes has helped significantly.

Learned how to use a bidet, which is cool because that helps significantly.

yeah those are those are a real deal big big fan if you can afford a bidet in your house you do the bidet in your house yeah that took me too long to figure them out i was there was water going a lot of different ways and i didn't know how to operate yeah are you like a j are you sitting down to pee too with the bidet so it's coming in coming out

a bidet the bidets are crazy you go out to vegas or something you end up in like a sweet yeah that was a drinking fountain well i think that's what jade was doing at the beginning did it sound like you no i i i didn't understand Because, like, you got to, it's hard to turn it on.

You can't turn it on before you get on it because then it sprays and it sprays those ones.

I don't know.

It's a wild situation.

I now have one of those cool Japanese toilets.

Those are awesome.

But the buttons.

It goes out of the way.

What are you talking about?

It's got a remote control.

Technology.

I can pick a lot of different shit with the toilet.

Congratulations, James.

Taking our job.

They are.

Hey, you won't know I'm rich, but there'll be signs.

Did they take it?

There'll be signs.

You walk through the house, this guy got a Japanese bidet, I believe is what that is.

Got his own remote.

Opens and closes on its own.

Seat's heated.

As you're walking up to it, the seat opens, it's heated, and it pre-sprays the bowl.

It's so you don't have any clingers in there.

Does it call you James?

Hello, James.

Hello, Jake.

Turn it up on wheels.

So do you have a video game controller where you can move it up and down?

Yeah, you can do, I mean, you can move it up and down.

You can choose

the strength of it.

No, it does not speak to you.

I have seen ones recently, which I don't fully understand.

They'll analyze what's going in.

Oh, really?

Yeah, it'll analyze your shit.

What?

The poop.

Well, the poop is an indicator.

I thought you'd have one medical?

What is it?

Is it sifting through there?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I assumed you had one.

I think it has fingers that come out from the toilet and

sensors.

And then it goes back up.

And then it

sprays off the fingers.

The poop, though, is something you can get a lot of tellers from, right?

Yeah, big time.

I may need to look into that if it's fucking dissecting my poop and telling me what exactly's in there.

And you also need to think about having this Japanese toilet that's coming out.

I mean, one here would be, I feel like, necessary.

No.

No.

There's more.

There's a question.

No, not only that.

It's just, I don't know if you understand what happens with that guy talk out there.

Okay.

Talk destroys bathrooms.

Not just toilets.

Entire bathrooms.

The guy shuts it down out there.

You see him?

He looks small.

Yeah, but you've been in NFL locker rooms.

I mean, you know what it's like.

Nothing like this man.

Full pimento loafs.

Yeah.

Just shuts it down.

You cannot.

Like a hippo.

It's like a hippo.

So what do you?

I'm curious.

Now, in this situation, how is that handled?

You guys make him do it?

Is there a plumber that comes in?

No, he's plunging that thing.

Yeah.

Has to.

He used to just leave him plugged until he got called out for.

Yeah, you know.

Oh, yeah, it is.

Yeah, let alone, we have people spilling stuff all over the thing.

Usually him as well?

Potentially him.

He's part of the crew.

You talk about an NFL game day, like an hour, two hours before kickoff.

That is one of the worst.

Yeah, clear outs?

About as good as you can, like as bad as you can have.

If you were to add him to one of those, they'd say, talk to you.

Let's go to the next match change question.

Oh, what's that?

Hippos.

That was a hippos good to see.

So you understood what he meant this time.

I did.

Talk's unbelievable.

He tried to take down a plane with his ass one time.

You remember that?

As soon as he got on a private plane?

First one time.

First time he got on a private plane?

No.

Marched straight to the back.

No.

You gotta, you can't, man.

You gotta bite that bullet.

You just hold on.

Yeah.

Until you land.

How long was the flight?

Four.

No.

Yeah.

That's what he was thinking.

He's thinking, I can't do four hours with this thing in.

Once it got out of him, I think everybody understood: like, there's, how was that even inside of you?

Yeah.

It has to be another human dumping.

They didn't make it down the

airplane, the airplane toilet.

Yeah, that might help him.

I actually started to nose that.

Damn.

Excuse me.

Yeah, it came up like a

pilot know before you so you can adjust.

So you fly on those big planes.

We don't get a chance to do that.

Is there a toilet in the front of the plane where you, the plane you fly on as well?

No.

Okay.

I'm not like you.

We had a guy.

I'm not like you.

We got lucky to be on one of these planes, and

we had a co-pilot dump in the front one.

So we had the back thing kind of shut.

Front was kind of locked away.

Poop just started like trickling back the door.

And we started smelling poop.

So we assumed like somebody ripped ass.

and everybody's like no it actually didn't actually didn't it was like well who pooped back there go wake a couple people up in the back hey did you dump no no i've been asleep okay somebody pooped in here so obviously we opened a thing co-pilot standing there and we're like hey did you just dump

no

did not dump and it was like he certainly did that guy had a good i mean that was pungent oh yeah took over the whole plane it did 30 45 minutes too because it was just seeping underneath our door into our nostrils as we're playing euchre do you know how to play that game Euchre?

Yeah.

No, not proficiently.

Let's get back to that.

Being in Wisconsin, though.

And you don't play?

Not that much.

No, Cribbage.

I know Cribbage.

I think they're very similar.

I don't think I know Cribbage.

I don't know Cribbage.

Harry Potter plays.

No, it's Quidditch.

Cribbage is with a board?

Yeah, there's a board.

You've got pegs.

Yeah.

Keep going.

Go to the next one, sure.

I play cards.

You play pegs.

Let's get to a hashtag Ash Jade question.

Great.

Thanks, Petty Mac.

That's so cool.

I could tell he's already losing Steve.

Yeah, you don't like CD.

I just got to remember.

No, I have to remember.

At C Dives.

C D.

Hey, you know, D?

No, I'm catching,

I'm downwind of a lot of things here, and

I'm feeling the wind.

You're all right, dude.

He's all doped up.

Oh, this guy's

on CBD right now.

I'm downwind.

All right, let's get to the Ash Jage, please.

What are your hopes for Burnley FC and their return to the Premier League?

What's key to their success?

Hashtag Ash Jade.

That's a good question.

It is a great question.

We are obviously hoping to break the run of three up, three down of the last two seasons.

Very difficult to do.

The Premier League is obviously,

extremely difficult league with continuing funds being pumped in at extremely high levels, but we are extremely excited about our team.

Really proud of the season that they had, and I think Scott Parker did a great job, and our defense is phenomenal.

So hopefully we have a defensive stalwart and some good counterattacking put some goals in your goalie's not going to be able to stand on his head for two months straight like he did this last time he's incredible man he's a great great player great kid and uh i've always said it and i'll keep saying it he will be england's number one keeper someday is he still under contract with you guys yes can we loan him for tst no we already got our goalie we don't cannot have any of our players for tst

yeah because they're going to make the fucking team yeah we'd have to try they'd have to try out you're not even on the team this year who you look at the rosta i'm on the roster Did you register yourself?

They were very serious about registration there.

I don't know.

Are you registered?

We're registered.

So we got a general management regard.

Are you registered?

Are you guys registered?

We're back on our rules.

What are you talking about?

There's rules.

Sounds like if you're not registered on the roster, you can't play.

I'm registered on the roster.

You might do that on purpose so you don't have to play.

Do you want to see our roster?

Is that what you want to do?

Is it say Patty Mac?

Let's see the roster.

I'd like to see the roster.

Ladies and gentlemen, our official roster.

Holy shit.

What is that?

For CONCAFA.

Graduating class from West Virginia 2025.

2025.

As you see there, top left corner.

Ridiculous.

Pat McAfee on the roster.

Once again, I am honored to have made the roster of this CONCAIFA team.

This CONCAFA team is going to continue to win and continue to succeed at TST.

Jeff Cameron, I have good news for the rest of TST.

I don't believe he will be playing.

He suffered an injury in training.

What?

Much like myself.

Damn.

His is a lower body.

Mine Mine was an upper body.

Nonetheless, Jeff Conron will be in attendance.

Don't worry about that.

Grella back on the squad after a lot of questions.

That's bullshit.

But Checko.

I'm out.

Fuck Grella.

I'm out.

No, no, Grela was good.

Grella was trying to run up the price.

He was trying to extort you for cash.

What kind of prices you got?

He was trying to go to Burntley.

He's trying to extort you for cash.

Don't you worry about that.

Our roster is happy.

Our roster is happy.

No, no, no.

I'm telling you right now, you got 45 people up here.

This is a locker room mutiny waiting to happen.

I'm not getting enough minutes.

I'm not getting no minutes.

Why is he on the field?

I'm not on the field.

That's a mutiny.

Brother, what do you think I'm there?

It's a long tournament, brother.

Don't act like you didn't have one last time.

This one's going to be way worse.

We didn't have one.

We were just fighting each other who were playing.

Our best players were fighting.

There was

how'd they get through it, Gumpy?

Yeah, they figured it out.

Through team chemistry.

Yeah, and with a guy like Drew Ruggles on the team.

Everyone loves an underdog, Gumpy.

I see your hat says everyone loves an underdog.

What kind of underdog?

You guys are paying your players more than Ohio State is.

What are you talking about?

Bournemouth has players that are fucking under contract.

They're cheating.

There's teams openly cheating.

And listen, if you want to call this Ohio State, cool, because there's a Texas out there, there's an Oregon out there.

And what did Ohio State do last year?

Oh,

they won the National Development Center.

Thanks for the compliment, Jage.

All right.

We'll see what happens.

Listen, you've got to pay a guy like Red Boots, otherwise, he's going to go to the next highest bidder.

There are damn good teams last year.

That Jamaican team was fire.

Very good.

We had that first game.

That was tough for us.

We learned a lot.

We were still learning how to play.

Rules, just learning, period, how to play the game.

Richard Costanzo, currently college coach for

George Mason.

George Mason,

Western Pennsylvania dog.

One of the first guys out of Western Pennsylvania to make it into the ODP world, which is the Olympic development program.

He's a year older than me.

I love that dude.

He is a grinder.

He is going to run people.

Our team this year, you know, last year we had a lot of older guys.

You know, hey, let's do one for a Gipper here.

This is TPT.

This is Throwback Thursday at TST.

This year, we got a lot of guys that are in great shape.

Who is Philip E?

So that's the thing about Philip E.

He's goalie.

He was goalie at the year I think at MASL last year or two years ago.

Can play with his feet.

So that's a big deal.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So instead of having to substitute meet Stefan Miatovich right there, who's giving...

He's talking to you, JJ.

He's talking to you, JJ.

Quiet.

Quiet your mouth.

Quiet your fucking moth.

That's what Miatovich is saying.

Quiet your moth.

That's what he's saying there.

Swag.

I mean.

He's not going to have to play goalie this year or whenever it gets to target coal pop.

And last but not least, the Indianapolis Outlaws.

Yeah, obviously.

The kid.

Yeah.

Thomas Sauner.

Yeah, Sauner's back.

I don't think that is the best photo of Thomas Sauner.

He looks more like a linebacker.

Well, that's what he does.

And he scores goals.

That's what he plays like.

He scores goals.

Mike Foss, looking to get a lot more minutes this year, hopefully.

Been training.

Quite the forehead on him.

Love it.

Whoa.

You got to head the ball.

You got to put the ball on the net.

I mean, look at this.

It's on two different screens.

It took up, he had to move up to the next screen.

Yeah, he does have an eight head there.

You're right.

Yeah, Jesus Pacheco is a problem.

You know, Gordo, obviously back to do his thing.

Baby, when you see him play, you go, that guy's running hard.

Yeah, high knees.

Emmanuel Ledesma, oh my God.

Man, he looks like a UFC fighter.

He looks like he beat the shit up.

Well, that's the thing about our team.

As you know, we set the tone and we win games.

You didn't win it last year.

You're talking like

the defending champs.

You're talking like the defending champs.

We had no idea what we were signing up for quarterfinals, brother.

First run.

Quarter finals, congrats.

Raise a banner.

We raise a banner when we beat your ass.

We thought about it.

I'll tell you what, if we could raise a banner, we would have.

And if we would have quarterfinalists, Kunkefa, put it up.

6-1 against Burnley FC.

Have you ever...

Did you know what you were signing up for last year?

Nope, not at all.

Me neither.

I know.

You think that Foss guy with that brain under there knew what he was signing up for whenever we went there?

No way.

No.

But now, you think Tony Miola knew what the fuck was going on last year?

No, nobody did.

How about Tab Palamos?

I don't know if many would have signed up if they did.

Tab was scouting.

What is your problem?

I think more people would have signed up because of how great it is.

I need a team to root for this year, so I'm Concafa.

Let me tell you.

I'm open for bidding on fandom.

You guys don't have to do it.

You guys have to make them make you do it.

Oh,

in our first try.

Yeah, great.

But unlike you, we're going back.

We're trying to conquer the beast that is TST.

And we got a great, great roster this year.

You talk about everybody being upset about playing time?

Sure, that's going to come.

We want that to come.

You're talking about guys maybe being upset about not taking a free kick.

Maybe somebody else takes a free kick who is definitely not going to score in a free kick.

He's just going to kick the ball out of the stadium.

Now we got two other people upset about who's going to take a free kick.

Maybe that does cause a little drama.

We learn from those things.

And whenever these fights

start, that's when a culture takes over, brother.

And Colin Kaifer already has a culture.

We like to have a good time.

Great time.

Some of the team more so than the other.

Yeah, miss you, Ed Speed.

DJ Ed Speed is going to be missing.

He was on the Yaux court.

Yeah.

He thought he didn't make the team this year.

Kind of bummed about that.

He got hurt, too.

Speed was great before the game.

He's great.

He was.

I will say.

He might be on another team.

Maybe he should be.

he was our dj so we're gonna have to figure out who's gonna take that role maybe tob uh ramos coach uh i've been hearing tony meola and tob ramos have been actually watching uh like film for the last couple months on this of course let's

go i'm trying to boise also had a uh had a training camp yeah he did that last year no last year vastly different and nobody knew what they were signing up for last year we had no idea i thought you said you did a florida training camp they did a florida training camp yeah they took a date also they did do it yeah but nobody knew what they were doing now we have like a concentrated goal.

Tony Miola's brain wrapped around with TST, Sevens's, Bub, problematic for everybody else.

Don't be surprised when

it becomes a million-dollar program.

I will be surprised.

Well, don't happily, happily surprised.

Well, just follow along and watch what Gordo does out there.

Watch what Dehoff does.

Mario Alvarez back on the squad.

Boom!

Did Gump have any possibility of making the playing team?

He does.

No.

Yeah.

He might play.

None.

At all.

No chance.

You should see him in warm-ups, Jage.

I know.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, he's got some skills.

Gump, was there any lobbying at all you were trying to get out there?

I've lobbied a bit.

I could be out there.

We don't know yet.

Is that legal?

Are you registered as a coach or a player?

Enough with your registered side.

I'm registered to play.

Enough with your registered.

We had some registration battles last year, so I know.

He's a coach.

Are you guys using your ESPM powers to just definitely?

We tried to change the time of one of the games.

We thought we had that type of sway.

Uh-uh.

They went the complete opposite direction.

And I was not happy about it.

I was like, we fucking needed it this time, but we don't care.

Scheduled at the other time.

I'm like, I feel like we're doing a lot for this.

I feel like you're doing,

I feel like we're trying a lot.

And they're like, no, the tournament has to remain the tournament.

And after talking to them after the tournament, I have massive respect for the people that run this.

They have a lot of passion, a lot of everything behind this.

They're trying to keep this as a great tournament.

TBT, the basketball tournament, obviously everybody knows about TST, four times the size.

Like the amount of people, tickets sold, everything.

This

TST is like very, this has become a very, I think you're a massive player in that.

Well, we were only there last year.

Yeah.

So it's not too crazy.

But Concaf is going to become a mainstay in TST, I think.

Especially if we have the success that I think we're going to have this year.

Look at meet.

I mean, just look at the eyes of meet.

Meet saying, oh, there's a million dollar prize up for grabs.

Okay.

Shut your mouth, JJ.

Shut your mouth, JJ.

You remember Zach night?

You remember fucking bumping into him a couple times?

I do.

Shoulder still hurts.

Yeah, you still got a little bruise like I do against Gunther.

You guys are watching from the sidelines.

Yeah, that's because we're part of

Man in the Arena.

Did you have any assists last year?

No.

Did you have any goals last year?

No.

Oh, so you left with completely zero on the stat sheet?

Yep.

Okay, sweet.

I had the highlight of the fucking tournament with the assist that I had.

You're talking about Man in the Arena.

I agree with that.

I was in the arena.

I agree with that.

I do.

Yeah, so check that off off the box.

I was talking about Mullen Man over.

What are you talking about?

He was in the trenches with the boys.

You were part of the fucking concave of crazies.

Thank you.

Yeah, equipment managers, athletic trainers.

There's a lot of people that go into the success of a team.

They're part of that.

Yeah.

You caught him a fat ass, actually.

Yeah, remember?

He was.

Let's get crazy.

He's kind of going back that way, but it's.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

What the hell?

No, he's done a great job.

Maybe you should hang out with Tone and get on some.

There you go.

It's a good idea.

Not a bad idea.

Ba.

Boston.

Be careful, man.

Next week, I mean, next, that donut cart's going to be there again, bro.

I'm going to be outside.

I can't wait to enjoy it.

I didn't get a chance to enjoy it last year.

It looked great.

Good coffee.

It did look good.

I'm going to have, just so everybody knows, I will have cleats on.

I will have a uniform on, just in case.

We start losing guys.

Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

We're up 780.

You got plenty of them.

That graphic, I keep staring at it.

That's a lot of fun.

That's a lot of fucking stuff.

How many guys on at once?

So you're allowed 20 on the roster.

Okay.

On the field.

7v7?

Yeah.

Seven.

I can't wait.

You can't even do that.

It's 20 minutes running clock.

We ran out of gas last year, brother.

You ever seen Muddy Ducks?

Full line changes.

The Wednesday night changed.

The favorite movie of all time.

D2.

Well said.

Did you ever see it?

Some of these people say you have not seen the movies that you promote as if you've seen.

Oh, no.

What are you talking about?

I'm the opposite.

I tell people that I openly there's movies that I haven't seen that I should have seen.

Where are some movies you should have?

I've seen Mission.

Braveheart.

What?

You've never seen Braveheart?

So

now it's saving Private Ryan.

What?

Wow.

I know.

I'm telling you.

These are on my list.

I got to get them.

How long have they been on your list?

Sounds like this is.

A long time.

It is a long time.

So you're just keeping this as a thing so you can.

Like, hey, what's my movie thing?

There was a while where I was like, all right, I will save Braveheart now for a big game.

And then I didn't.

Because I'm there.

I got to watch it.

I'm watching Game of Thrones right now for the first time all the way through.

How is it?

Really good.

What season are you on?

Last one.

Wow.

Congratulations.

It's really good.

There was one bad season in there, but the rest are really good.

I heard the last season's a bad one.

There's Starbucks cops.

The ending is really bad.

That's what I've heard.

I'm pretty sure the last season has aged better than the initial reaction.

Everybody at the beginning was just calling this writer sellouts and everything, saying they mailed it in.

There's Starbucks cops here and this is happening.

That stuff, yes.

I've heard the last episode, like, I've heard people call the last episode one of the worst episodes.

I think it's just a little overblown.

In the time, for sure.

And it also doesn't help that the Fatso who wrote the thing, you know, just kind of keeps pushing off how it's supposed to end.

So, those guys were like, hey, well, okay, we got to end it how we're going to end it there.

I'm looking forward to it.

We're close.

We're close.

Wow, George R.R.

Martin, you know, this guy every single year is like,

the books could be finished in six months.

And then they check in, they're like, hey, Fatso, you haven't fucking written anything in the last 18 months.

So is it still coming out in six months?

And, well, you know, I had to go back and alter a few scenes.

Well, there's like a thousand characters, right?

Yeah, but

you know, when the last book came out in like 1998.

Yeah.

Yes, he got paid mightily.

And you want me to tie this whole thing together, huh?

Okay.

You know how much more money he'd make if he just finished the goddamn thing?

I'm definitely in that stage right now where all of a sudden all the characters are interacting with each other.

Holy shit, you guys came together quick.

Yeah.

I just did Breaking Bad and Better Scall Salt.

Oh, yeah.

Great shows.

Great, great shows.

And the problem is George R.R.

Martin did this video game Elden Ring.

He did like the story design design for it, and people aren't happy about him doing shit like that before finishing.

What's this guy's problem?

He wants to focus on something else that's massively successful?

That's what I'm saying.

I mean, Elden Ring is like one of the biggest video games of all time.

Boom.

So.

Elden Ring?

Yeah.

You play video games?

Hashtag Ash Stage?

Oh,

no.

Me no.

No.

I don't watch any of the stuff you were talking about either.

Better Call Saw and Breaking Bad.

They're very good.

Breaking Bad, I think, is the greatest show of all time.

Then Better Call Saw is the prequel.

Yes.

Really, really awesome.

It's really better than Save by the Bill.

Well, different genre.

Different genre.

Save by the Bill is right there, but different genre.

That's good points.

I saw somebody the other day say we need to bring shows like that back.

I think it was Nate Bargatzi.

He was talking about how we need shows like King of Queens.

We need some of those just

everyday sitcoms that you just watch and feel good.

Why doesn't Bargatzi write it?

I feel like he's the genius.

I think he might be.

I think he was talking about his production company and the type of stuff he wants to produce.

He's so smart.

He's great.

Nate's awesome.

Tom Segur just put that out.

Tom Segurgis put four episodes out that are good, old, wholesome, fun, like old school.

You're talking about bad thoughts?

Yeah.

I don't know if that's how it's being marketed.

I had to talk about it on Monday Night Raw because Mystic Rick and the machine were there right behind the desk.

What a moment.

What a moment for it all.

Dragon Lee fucking dives front flip out of the ring all the way across our desk.

And you just see Tom Segura's eyes just like, what the fuck?

It was his first ever wrestling

event ever.

Yeah, because he used to be anti-wrestling.

big time and then that was his first wrestling event and I think he was just mind-blown by it all I think Tom Segour people like that whenever you get have you ever been to a live no I was just gonna say I don't I want to come to one when you get to one and you watch it you just think to yourself oh

this is the most absurd should I start with a wrestle mania or should I start with a

is there introduction is there an introduction start with wrestle mania you fucking start with wrestle mania all right yeah you won't know all the stories going in but they'll show you a video package that'll give you at least enough all right of like a up, and then you'll be able to get right into it.

Just the app.

Obviously, the athleticism is insane.

The things that they're doing right in front of you is wild, completely exposed by so many people.

Like what they're doing is insane.

Can't miss a beat.

Somebody could potentially die.

But then all the shit that's just happening or it's, it's insane.

It's Kirk.

You got to take it for what it is.

It's professional wrestling.

You're watching sports entertainment here.

You just kind of got to escape a little bit.

Kirk Harpett, yeah.

Kirk Harpett went to WrestleMania and his whole, his face the whole time was

legit.

He was sitting right over here.

I could literally see it.

And just then he would look over at me.

It's like, yeah, dude,

this is going to happen now.

This is the whole time.

You need to get to one.

Yeah, I want to see it.

I sat with Triple H at the Arnold Classic years back and like tried to get into it, but

I've never gotten into it.

I think it's partially because I've never seen it live.

I think seeing it live and understanding, I still have that whole thing in my head of like.

I don't want to say it out loud, but like, what?

I mean, I just, I have that in my head, so I just don't.

That it hurts, that you don't want to do it, that you get bruised for two, three weeks?

I don't doubt that it hurts.

I don't doubt that there's a lot going on there.

I'm just telling you what I, from my perspective on it.

Yeah, I'm just saying I don't know what your perspective is, what you're

alluding to.

You're kind of being negative about everything.

I'm not being negative about it.

I want to go see it.

I want to experience it.

I'll be negative about Kunkfo.

I mean, you guys get a six to one.

What's your deal, dude?

Yeah, so you should just honor your kings.

We're in Premier League, brother.

You're down in the whatchamacallit.

We're back on our perch.

What's your thing that you can't get over?

I don't understand.

It's not real.

What?

Yeah.

Dump that, please.

It is real.

Those who are great are rewarded.

Yeah, no doubt.

Okay?

You ever heard of Hulk Hogan, brother?

I sure have.

I think I know that.

I never watched it growing up.

But I know all about Hulk Hogan.

WCW.

You're telling me this ain't real?

Watch Track and Lead here with Chad Gable, brother.

Boom.

Boom.

Right in front of Mystic Rick and a machine.

I have no doubt it fucking hurts.

No doubt.

You know what?

You're squatting 465, 6'6, still look good.

Why don't you just go find out if it's what you think it is?

No, that's why I didn't do it like that.

Why don't you?

After when I retired, people were like, you should do something like WWE.

And I was like, that's just as difficult on your body.

Why the fuck would I want to do that?

Yeah, you could be good, though, at it, because especially whenever you put those thirst trap photos out there.

Yeah.

That's really good for business.

Yeah,

maybe.

I mean, who knows?

Haven't seen him take a chop, you know.

Yeah, from Gutter, you think you can handle one of those?

Go back to the peanut gallery.

All right, just stay in your lane.

I'm just saying, you think you can handle a chop from Gutter, pal?

Yeah, I've trained in the squared circle, baby.

Okay, I've been in there.

We could go see if you could take a chop.

How about that?

Oh, we've seen it.

I've taken a kendo stick too, brother.

Candlestick?

Kendo.

What's that?

Let's get back to this thing.

I'm so disgusted.

Let's go to hashtag AskJ.

It's from Sweet Cavi.

Sweet Cavi's disappointed with you, JJ.

I can't believe you said that.

Hashtag Ash J.

Whispered Hit.

Your thoughts on how teams stopped the tush push.

Also, your thoughts on if it should be banned since the Eagles and Buffalo Bills are the only ones that are good at it.

Well, the Bills got stopped on it in the playoffs.

Yes.

Massive moment.

But I don't think it should be banned.

I mean, if you're good at something, you shouldn't be punished for it.

I do, if you want to take the push part of it away, like,

I don't know.

I just

think you're indifferent.

It's not.

They're great at it.

Don't punish punish them for being great at it.

The thing that I'm most impressed by, hands down, as a player, is that their offensive line manages to stay on side every single time.

Because as you're out there on the field, you're for sure they're offside.

You're like, there's no way that they're on side, but they are all lined up perfectly.

They time it up perfectly.

They're incredible at it.

The defensive teams often, almost every single time, are offside.

You can watch that clip right there, the overhead shot.

They're lined up offside.

The defense is actually the one technically wrong every time if you watch it, which is wild.

Yeah, and and you still can't stop it jalen hurts how do you stop yeah

you don't like that's i've been on teams where we played the eagles while they were tush pushing and people are like how do you stop i'm like you can't like you could lay a guy down on the ground to try and stop him low you could put a guy over the top and try and stop him high but they know the snap count you don't so they have the one advantage that you can't have and they're gonna win age how would you stop it You got to find a way to get like two guys at the point get an absolute jump and just almost hit the ball as it's being snapped to like to stop all the momentum, momentum, but then they're still gonna get pushed.

So I honestly don't really know.

They were doing hard counts in the Super Bowl, right?

Or

NFC Championship.

They were doing hard counts, and it's like once you add hard counts into it, completely screwed.

It's unstoppable.

Yeah, I think it's just unstoppable.

I believe, hasn't it

had some turtle?

You got to just put the big dogs

as big as you got.

Yeah, but I don't know how many Vita Veyas are out there.

No.

Well, they got the guy from Florida, yeah, the kids

who's 430 pounds.

So he came in Vita Veya.

That might be the only way to consistently stop it is get two dudes who are over 400 pounds.

But I don't even know.

Like, if you ask the Eagles, if you ask Jason Kellis or you ask somebody, I don't know if they would give you an answer on how to stop it.

I don't think he, I literally don't know.

I think he might say there's nothing you can really do.

Have you seen how good your hair looks up there on that?

I'm not sure on it.

It looks really

love, like that.

There's way too much hype going on.

It's a good one.

Foxy, let's get a little.

It's bad.

Can we get a little zoom on it?

No, no.

It's good.

The more you touch it, the worse it gets.

No, no, I disagree it's supposed to be i think your hair is supposed to be it's flowing you can do that no look at that it looks good dude great volume jj a little bit jj that's good hair maybe a little straight out of a hat yeah but maybe fade on the side you can still do the fade too on the side this guy a pantene pro v commercial yeah that's right herbal essences yeah yeah

i feel like we're at a point in the show that we have no we got it you a head and shoulders guy let's hear the last question here for ask jade shall we i don't like how negative you've been about everything your hair included Your hair is awesome.

Gumpy, what's this all about?

Has he been drinking out of your poutine back there?

I've been pretty positive today, to be fair.

I agree.

I thought it was going to be super positive with JJ in the building, but I guess not.

I'm having a blast.

Me too.

I'd be having a better place.

This is the coolest place.

Like, you guys are living it.

This is awesome.

Superstar Wednesday, too.

Yeah.

Yep.

Let's get to the last Ash Jage.

This is K-Smitty, 1734.

Long time ago, Jage.

Pay your respects.

Hashtag Ash Jage.

What are your thoughts about Mission Impossible, the final reckoning?

And could you do the stunts?

You think 6'6'2?

75.

Just an absolute son of a beauty.

6'6'275 hanging off the wing.

What are your thoughts?

No, I think Tom's unbelievable.

Did you watch the final mission?

Not yet.

I saw some of your guys' interview.

That's awesome.

That was really cool.

Yeah, it was.

I mean, I...

I have so much respect for somebody who commits to being the best at what they do and truly follows through with it every single time and he has clearly done that and he has he holds his industry and he holds everybody in it to the level that he expects expects it to be at and he lives up to that every single time i mean the shit he does is unbelievable it's insane and i even though he shows us how it's done even though they show us all the takes like i don't think anybody truly understands and to your point about not having to put yourself out there, like we talked about working out with the SEALs or whatever.

He has zero reason whatsoever to be hanging off the side of a plane he has zero reason to be climbing up a building yet he continues to do it because he feels an obligation I mean Tom Cruise is insane 62 years old too he's committing seven days a week he's constantly thinking about movies how can I get better what can I get better seven days a week it never stops I'm always on unreal 62 he's gonna do that till he dies yeah oh yeah every day of his life he's gonna wake up how can I make a better movie how can I make a movie thank God it's like he found his he found his calling and he is fully committed to it yeah he's just I mean his energy seems incredible like he just I mean and you talk to people around him and they're like when you're around him He just you feel a different aura you feel a different energy You want to be better to be around him.

It's it's

will you watch uh have you watched all the mission impossibles?

No, I haven't you have not watched all the mission impossibles?

Oh my god, it's disgusting any of them?

I mean, I no, I haven't seen any of them.

You don't know Ethan Hunt, Crazy Man?

He of them?

That's crazy.

We'll have a moment of silence for J.J.

Wadden, not having a clue what the fuck he's talking about.

You watched Top Gun Maverick?

I'm trying, yeah, I did.

I'm trying to get where you heard that I've seen movies.

Why would I lie about that?

That's a way to do that.

They wear those t-shirts, and you always say, like, that's a super cool throwback thing.

I only wear ones that I've actually watched: The Office,

80 Ducks, American Made,

American Made.

That's another TC classic.

Great one.

Based on true story.

Cocktail is a good one from AJ.

Did you ever see that?

Yep.

Sherry McGuire.

Magnoia is an under the radar one.

Yep.

And Arizona has has not changed since that movie.

Born on the 4th of July.

Yep.

Risky business.

12 billion at the box office.

You've seen nothing.

I've seen some.

I've seen both top guns.

Collateral.

Is he bringing a fat guy back?

Less gross.

They might.

Was this the last?

Mission Impossible, yeah.

No, it's called the Final Reckoning.

Final Reckoning.

You're just going to have to see them all to find out.

How many of them are there?

Eight.

You can watch those.

I'll do it for.

I'll do it.

They're so good.

Do it for Tom.

Do it for what?

Tom.

For the good of the industry?

See at the movies.

Maybe you should rent out a movie theater to watch all eight of them straight through.

Oh, I'll come.

Yeah, so

that would take

20 hours.

Yeah, greatest day of your life.

Yeah, it would take.

He's probably going to be a big whole day.

That would be a.

That would be fun.

A lot of popcorn.

A lot of popcorn.

I love it.

Was he eating that popcorn or what?

Yes, absolutely.

Still over.

The reason he dropped that one was because he hit the bucket.

It didn't drop out of his hand.

Yeah, the bucket spilled.

But that could have been the gimmick to make it look like there's popcorn in there.

That shit was cool.

Yeah.

Like the fucking legend throwing the dice.

Yeah.

Imagine him on a crabs table.

Imagine a night.

Oh, Tom Cruising.

He's probably running on top of it, if I had to guess.

Stan's on top of it.

You know what I mean?

Paul Mission before he throws it.

He's just saying.

Think about how much popcorn he's had to eat to be that comfortable with the fucking.

What's going on, boys?

Boom.

He's watching somebody else's movie.

Shut up and watch the film.

He watches a movie a day.

Is that what he said?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Big on popcorn, yeah.

Two bucks.

He loves the fiber in it.

Too big buck.

He said that.

He said he loves the fiber and popcorn.

He did.

So popcorn's healthy.

He said it to us.

I don't know if it was to you, but I mean, that was his popcorn take.

He was like, I can't eat a lot of things, but I can eat a lot of popcorn.

It's got fiber.

It's healthy.

Makes you poop.

I saw it.

He's got a great Daffy Duck impression.

Really?

Yeah, I saw it yesterday for the first time.

After the Pacers came.

I was just going through stuff.

The algorithm?

Yeah, and the algo fed me this unbelievable.

I haven't got the Daffy Duck Tom Cruise yet, but they've sent me all of his stunts in my algo.

Shout out to my algorithm.

A lot of Tom Cruise in the algo.

Rightly so.

You might be Tom Cruise someday, JJ.

You don't know.

Number two analyst for CBS this year on NFL games.

And, you know, in the future, you might be Tom, might be the next Tom Cruise.

No, it's nothing against you.

There's never going to be anyone who's like fucking TC.

You know, we're talking about Mission Impossible.

And yeah, he's doing some sweet stuff.

That is a Mission Impossible.

It is.

In a couple of years, this guy is going to be

Glenn Powell.

Yes and no.

We're still

doing that.

We like Glenn Powell.

I love Glenn Powell.

Yeah, I mean, no question.

Great.

TC is going to fucking do a spacewalk.

He's going to space.

That's his next big-time stunt.

Actually, going.

Yes, he is going to be the first civilian.

To do a movie, right?

Yes.

On the moon.

To actually do a spacewalk.

A spacewalk that's outside the space.

Correct.

I believe he's going up to the International Space Station for a movie that he's shooting, and that's going to be.

So that's going to be a cold open of him him fucking

outside of that.

Fixing the Hubble telescope.

With the Earth behind

behind.

And he's going to get knocked loose or something.

And he's going to come back in.

Who's going to film it?

Fucking.

McHugh.

I've been thinking about that quite a bit.

I don't know how many directors of photography are signing up for like...

McHugh!

No, no, no.

Do you see McHugh with their face?

That's my thing.

He'll mount the camera is my guess.

That is probably what they'll end up doing because I don't think anyone's signing up to be like, yeah, I'll go fucking walk in space with with you.

Or do you just teach an astronaut?

That's what I think.

I think you have an astronaut maybe holding a handheld.

Maybe that's a good thing.

I mean, these guys are getting stuck up there.

I mean, what?

You're going to have TC getting stuck up there for a year?

That's the same thing.

He would just jump.

Yeah, TC would just be able to pilot back or swim back.

He would swim back.

You're right.

All the way.

Through the atmosphere.

Yeah, until he gets to like the outer ring of the ozone, and then he could just talk and go right into the closest ocean.

He'd wait for Earth to spin.

Yeah, exactly.

He'd swim to a spot where he could get comfortable, wait for Earth to spin, and then boom, that's where I wanted.

Mediterranean.

Pick up.

Mediterranean.

Pick up speed.

And then he's just fucking.

And they'd come out riding a dolphin.

It was true.

The Q would be right behind him the whole time.

I got it.

I got it.

Space Station, they have a satellite up there, right?

Yeah.

So you could probably set up a PTZ if I had to guess, right?

Tom, you ain't fucking filming with a PTZ.

Are you kidding me?

You don't think they put a PTZ outside the fucking

space?

Tom's going to look at that one second.

That quality shit.

I'm not doing that for a fucking...

This is not good.

You're telling me they don't have an AK PTZ?

It'll be like an IMAX camera, probably.

It'll be the only kind of camera that it'll be specifically made for them to go down.

He's inventing it.

I bet he's inventing the cameras that he was using.

Without a doubt.

Good job, Adrian.

That cold open of him was

messing around on the outside of the space station whistling, probably.

Yeah.

I hope it's not a cold open because I hope we see him piloting the fucking rocket ship off the launch pad up.

Oh, to get up there.

Because he's going to do that as well.

That's later.

The cold open's a throwback.

Could be.

Could be.

Start with

Howard Cooking.

Tom's already thought of all this.

We shouldn't even act like we know what the fuck's going to happen.

Yeah, he knows.

It's going to be amazing.

He's going to be walking outside

with his own camera.

Yep.

What if it's on one of those sticks that he does?

Yeah, because...

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Could be.

Those cameras that just shoot.

Yeah, so he films himself there.

Maybe it's on the glasses that have the camera, meta,

yeah.

No, because he couldn't film himself.

No, he might go to Mars.

He might go to Mars.

He's holding a mannequin, he's holding the mannequin up with his glasses.

Yep, yep, that could be it.

That could be it, that could be it, you know.

Yeah, he could put a camera on the American flagpole that's on the moon, and you could just do a moon walk.

Let's not get into that.

Yeah,

good idea.

That's definitely what he can do.

That's a good idea.

Yeah, because if he does that, that means he never left Earth.

You know, JJ, think about this.

The moon is...

Rest in peace, Jimersey.

The moon is 250,000 miles away.

Mars

250 million miles away.

Okay.

I saw Elon tweet that we could get to Mars in six months if the planets are lined up at the right thing is the projection in the future.

Whenever we are inevitably traveling to these places on a regular basis, seems like that's going to happen at some point.

Are you going to sign up to do one of those or no?

Not first.

Would you go to the moon if you were offered to go to the moon?

If

5,000 people went before me.

I need some assurance that that's.

That's pretty solid.

How many people have gone to the moon?

A whole bunch.

A whole bunch of nothing.

What are you talking about?

I don't think you want to get into that.

Yeah, I don't.

I mean, we're definitely going down a road here.

My current guess is.

We never lay an eye on the moon.

That's what that's what you're doing.

I know.

I mean, clearly, we know where you stay.

It's a fact.

How many claims?

It is a thousand percent fact that we never went to the moon.

How many people would have to keep a secret?

That would be a wild secret to keep.

But once again, you know, with the technology advances, there's a chance they could have faked that.

What is real?

Nothing's real.

I like to think we went to the moon.

Would you go?

Same thing with you.

Yeah, gotta go.

I need to see others do it.

That's like in your...

You bought a plane?

No.

You bought two planes?

planes nope okay

why would you guys want to go

just because yeah i mean just to be like just to look back at earth hang out if you got experience 12 people have walked on earth's moon says wikipedia the first one was obviously neil armstrong and the last one was eugene cernan all crewed moon landings took place between 1969 and 1972 as part of the united states apologizing

12 people did it then we just stopped correct yeah

check the box brother yeah It's bullshit.

Never happens.

There's people that feel that way.

I hate, and I didn't feel this way until I learned that they made a call.

They made a call?

From the Oval Office all the way to the moons, Chris.

In 1969.

Yeah, it's tough for me to call my wife.

She's right down the road.

In what fucking world is that possible?

Not this one.

This one right here.

And then you look at the space station.

Then you look in.

You FaceTime with the space station?

Yeah.

What'd you say?

Hey, team, how are we doing?

Yeah, just checking in.

Twice, I've done it.

Yeah, a little bit.

Oh, that's Houston.

We have a problem.

Yeah, once was from the facility, which was really cool.

And then once was from the space, from NASA.

Big delay?

No, but how was the...

Little delay.

There was a little delay.

I'm trying to remember why the first one was because we did it from the stadium.

I think it was...

I don't know if it was during the Hurdle.

There was something.

That's awesome.

Hold on one second.

Because we were going to try to put a request in for the two astronauts that were stuck in space or whatever to join the show.

It feels like they do

interaction with Earth.

Yeah, they definitely do interaction.

I wouldn't be first on a list for them to call if they didn't.

How long was your conversation with them?

The one was when I was at NASA, we were just like, hey, how's it going?

But then the one at the stadium, that was like a good five, ten minutes.

We got to ask them some questions and they showed us around a little bit.

It was really cool.

What did they do?

Show you water floating around?

Yeah, like all the little things.

So you basically said, dance, dance.

I mean, I'm just going to do it.

Do the thing.

Do the anti-gravity thing.

And they did it back.

That was great.

It was really cool.

I felt cool.

Yeah,

they tell you to do the what thing?

No.

No, I don't want to, I didn't want to embarrass myself or them or waste our airspace from between here and the moon.

I guess they weren't on the moon.

It's a lot.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Who was in the space station?

Oh, okay.

I thought you were joining us.

They see 13 sunrises in one day.

I think.

The space station says that?

I think so.

Isn't that the number?

They see like 13 sunrises in one day.

Why would they still be up there not go to the moon?

Because they're doing research out there, bud.

What are they going to do there?

On space.

We don't need to go to the moon.

We already got all the fucking soil samples 50 years ago.

What else is there?

Oh, nothing.

1969, 1972.

We already figured out that.

Exactly.

You know why we went to the moon?

Because we were trying to win the fucking space race and we won.

Congrats to us.

Ball game over.

Woo!

Suck my dick, Russia.

That's exactly what we said.

And that was the end of it.

All right.

And we haven't had to go back.

I'm all for that, man.

I just don't think it happened

we got our ratings for hour four right there yeah we got to get out of here it's been a good day wanted to celebrate this pacers knicks game in proper fashion i think we did that i think so too we want to talk about the dallas stars potentially being dead i think we talked about that we got a chance what do you think what do you think we're not dead

stuart skinner has to turn to a pumpkin he's been playing like dominic hasick it's blowing my mind he's back to former guy shite been shite all year oh the guy who's up 3-1 on the Dallas Star is a shite.

Okay.

In the Western Conference finals.

Okay, got it.

I mean, he got pulled like he lost his starting job during these playoffs.

Then the other guy got hurt.

It's the only reason he got back in the net.

Yeah, and guess who got a swagger back?

Yeah, he's good right now, but he has sucked at some point.

Feels like it might be Mick Jesus's year.

Mick Jesus versus the Panthers.

Stanley Cup final.

Zach Hyman's out.

Oilers.

Yeah, Oilers got no shot against the Cats if they get there.

Oilers are currently tied with the Florida Panthers.

Wow.

For the odds-on favorite.

I like the Panthers a lot.

Not because I don't like Canada and I don't like seeing Canada have a team win.

That would be cool to continue the trend, though, of American teams winning.

Amen.

We will.

Thank you to the Florida Panthers and the state of Florida over the last like five years

really holding it down for us.

And Marshi, obviously, taking a trip down to Florida, making that happen.

But McGee's winning would be very cool, But this Panthers team just feels like the right.

They just got the right.

I like the colour, Jim.

Yeah, so much physicality.

So much physicality.

Got some guys back, too, tonight.

Rhino's back.

Really?

Greer's back.

Whoa.

Cole is back.

Whoa.

Stars got a lot of physicality, too, and Oilers are giving it to him.

Yeah, it's because McJesus can just dance on that ice.

He's just dancing on that ice.

The guys take fucking cheap shots, too, whacking our guys' feet and trying to break them, too.

I mean, let's...

Playoff hockey.

I'm about done with it, all all right?

The Oilers just do stupid shit and everybody says it's playoff hockey.

It's okay.

It's cheap shots, all right?

Yeah, but Edmonton's a great city.

Is it?

Do it back.

Why aren't your boys doing it, come?

We did.

We actually knocked two guys out last game.

Cheap shots or?

No, they were great hits.

It just laid off.

It was just hockey.

Yeah, you were saying it's hockey.

Funny, I heard it.

I was playing off hockey.

Yeah, it is.

That's what I was told.

Edmonton, though, good town, I heard.

Is it?

That's what I've been told.

That's where I've heard that.

that

or the ice, if you will.

I've heard that across the ponds.

Uh-huh.

Got the double-double there, too.

Yeah, they invented the double-double.

They did not seriously

again.

Edmonton invented Timmy Horton.

I think so.

We have a video of J.J.

Watt down there at NASA.

This is him practicing space.

Sweet.

It's only a matter of time before this is the real deal, and he does have a hockey helmet on.

Oh, dance.

I'm back down there and practice space for a bit.

I'll be back later.

I mean, that's neat.

Yeah, it's sick.

It was cool.

It was cool.

I did not know what to expect.

And NASA's a cool.

I mean.

So they said, we got one triple XL fucking helmet.

Okay, we got JJ.

Well, let's loosen the straps a little bit.

Stimulate.

What was the mission?

Spacewalk?

I don't remember.

Is this what Tom Cruise is doing?

You don't remember what this is?

I remember doing it.

I don't remember what my goal was.

Your mission?

I didn't need that.

I think I was just experiencing anti-gravity.

That's why I'll never be TC.

How'd you feel?

They had your feet locked up, too?

Yeah, you got everything locked up.

Oh, that's scary.

Look like a gray, everything.

Yeah, if they pull the wrong button, you're going a couple different directions there.

What's his name?

Christian Gray?

10 cents of space, man.

That is unbelievable.

There's a lot going on.

How long were you up there for?

Not that long.

Thank you for your service.

Yeah,

I really was vulnerable.

Why do they have your ankles?

Like, that's the spirit.

Because if they were hanging, then you're not anti-gravity.

You know, I did the

three, two, one, fly at Kennywood.

Oh, yeah, me too.

It was the

swingshot thing.

Yeah.

The sky coast.

Oh, yeah.

And they put us in a little bat suit, and the legs were certainly kind of attached in the back there.

You feel like they're in control completely.

That's kind of where you were doing there.

You ever do the sky zone where you fly over the, like you, it's like skydiving, but indoors?

Oh, Oh, yeah.

And somebody turns that fan off when you're in, you're fucked.

Did you enjoy that?

You were able to do that 66375?

Yeah.

Did it with some Navy SEALs.

It was awesome.

And you're

yeah.

Did you do any flips?

No, I was not trying anything but staying afloat.

Those guys can do some really cool shit.

You go skydiving.

I don't like, like, I'm, like you said, I'm a big guy.

So you start to get off the ground and you start to put yourself in some weird places.

Break your fucking neck.

Yeah.

Do you think people underestimate how big you are until they see you in real life?

I don't know.

Definitely.

I think so.

You're obnoxiously large.

I can definitely tell, like, I can tell at times, like, if I'm bigger from working out or if I'm haven't been working out as intensely, like, people react differently based on,

like, if I'm fully jacked up, like, it's much, much different.

Full strapped up.

Yeah.

They say, holy shit, look at this thing.

And then whenever you're meat is flopping around, they're not really that impressive.

Yeah.

Like, I'm trying to lose.

Like, I need to let myself lose some weight.

I feel a lot better when I'm lighter.

My body, my joints.

But you you need to get 465 on that back three times on that time.

I mean, when you're in the gym, I'm in the gym yesterday.

You publicly.

And I got, there's like four or five people there.

Like, I can't just do 225.

Like, I got to.

No, you can't.

Dude, it's an audience of one.

Always has been, always will be.

God.

God bless you.

He wants to see it.

Like, why wouldn't he want to see it?

Or she, Jesus.

He knows it.

Or Jesus.

I don't know.

Sometimes you need something.

Like, you got to have something.

It's fun.

How often does the weight room here get used?

Very often in the morning.

Boys are in there.

Do you chug pre-workout?

No, I don't do pre-workout.

You used to?

Creatine?

Yeah, I do creatine.

I do post-work.

All my stuff's post-war.

Creatine, BCAs, collagen,

trambelone sandwiches.

Would love to see what's possible there.

We'd love to see what's possible.

Why don't you?

Come on, just turn into a full science project.

There's a lot of shit that can go wrong.

There's a lot of shit that can write.

I will watch.

We talked about those Olympics.

Yeah.

People that will, I will absolutely watch.

Oh, the enhanced games.

Can't wait to see that.

The super duper.

Oh, yeah.

When's that happening?

I think it's this next time.

I see some stuff popping up about it.

I saw one guy that's going to be awesome.

There's been some projections on the amount of muscles that are torn at that particular event.

It's going to be more than any event in the history of events.

But I'll tell you what, they're going to lay it on the line for us.

Those shop put balls are going to go further than ever.

I can't wait.

That's going to be so popular.

That could be you.

No.

Could be, though.

Could be.

All right, Jake.

We appreciate you.

Good luck this fall.

Thanks for stopping by out of nowhere.

Thank you guys.

This is awesome.

This is really, really cool.

And I also have even more respect for what you guys do on a daily basis.

No commercials, everything straight through the entertainment.

Speak for the fans.

Thank you very much for the daily entertainment.

You guys are great at what you do.

Thanks, Jake.

You're a good guy.

Thank you, Jake.

That was very kind of you to say that about us, Jage.

When you run for president or maybe have your run with the WWE at some point,

don't forget about us.

I'll fly right over your head, Patty Mac.

Thanks, Jake.

Maybe we could tag team.

I'll do tag team wrestling, brother.

Okay.

I don't know how it works anyway.

Fake.

You fucking ass.

Working yourself into a shoe.

You did not need to be doing what you're doing.

I understand what you're trying to do.

You're not doing it.

I believe it's called a heel.

I think it's called a heat.

You're healing.

Yeah.

You're not fucking healing.

You cross the line.

You're working yourself into a shoot, motherfucker.

So you're looking for heat as a heel?

Okay, you're looking for heat as a heel?

That's what you want?

Not fire.

Well, fire would be good heat to get.

There's levels that says nuclear heat would be good too.

But you're getting go-wei heat right now okay that means they don't even care yep newspapers up no pop no pop no pop you do know a little bit you know the business kid what's that all about you've been learning brother you talked to bone for a little too long earlier it could all be a work you never know oh

look at this guy

oh

jage what are you trying to do brother for shoot i mean wayne said everything's a work everything every interview

life is a work every match every conversation anything you've you've ever seen.

It's all the work.

Guy's still working out.

Maybe he is trying to get into the biz.

He could.

I might know some people if you want to shake some hands.

Put on a good front, though.

What you've been doing, not good enough.

And let's make sure we're swelled up, not a bag of milk like you talk about.

Thanks for coming out.

I'll turn the spigot back on.

Is that the.

I'm not going to talk about it.

Is that the science, the spigot?

No, no.

I did.

Why don't we see what you can become?

Me?

Yeah.

I believe in science,

Not all of it.

Like, there's not, there's stuff I'm like, no.

Jay Jacks, like he said, he hasn't worked out.

Have you ever not worked out though, Jage?

Like, there's no way you ever just haven't lifted for more than a week.

No, two

weeks, maybe three, but no, I think two weeks.

Oh, my God.

So hands down the longest.

Three weeks, you didn't work out.

I mean, it's hard.

You know how, like,

I mean, no offense, we got a punter on this side.

Age, I know we can talk about it.

Kid Mira said that earlier today.

But, like, I don't know.

It's an issue.

It's literally all American.

Thank you you very much for calling.

I was just in the squared circle with Gunther the ring yet.

Toe-to-toe.

But

what you're saying, I think, is valid.

I had a load management joke when you were talking load management, and I saved it.

Yeah, my entire career is load management.

I know, it's beautiful.

It's a great job.

Save some of those shits.

But no, like, it's, I don't know, maybe your experience is different.

You clearly look jacked.

I don't know why he doesn't get as much shit as I get.

Oh, he does.

He's doing it.

Not like you.

No, I'm not like, I can't, I'm not big like you.

I can't lift his heavy weight.

What are you talking about?

He's joked right now.

No, he's flexing like we're doing here.

D-Bucks gets after it too.

D-Bucks covers it up.

D-Bucks absolutely jacked.

I don't know what that is.

Yeah, D-Bucks is.

D-Bucks can

get 48 inches.

Classic, like, old man, workout situation, you know.

No, we don't know.

No, this is the answer we can.

I'm trying to get to that.

If I can look like you and not work out as

I love that.

Old dude, cardio mixed in, jump off, you know, hit the elliptical hard or reverse the climb hard, jump off it, you know, hit a couple sets or whatever, get back on, bam.

So it's hit.

So it's just keeping the heart rate high?

Yeah, but I mean, honestly it's whatever i want i like working out by myself it's like meditation for me now for those that don't know we actually have a photo of aj in the weight room

oh wow not me that's a job me that is aj hockey

no that was a you look great

what are the tattoos

what's your tattoos uh it's jdt justin derek trent me and my brothers and then there's chinese symbol underneath uh china yeah it means means family or home

um yeah i know i do not have any direct ties or any

reason to have a Chinese symbol on my chest.

Which part?

I just thought it looked cool.

Is that sunscreen you put on or what'd you put on?

Baby oil.

No, that's actually legit sweat.

Sweat?

Yeah.

Where'd that come from?

But yeah, no, it's.

Did it need to go out to the world?

No.

I mean, I would have.

I thought you're still proud of it.

If I take this photo, I'm putting it out.

No doubt.

Every morning.

You jumping on that box?

Look at those tree trunks.

Not that one.

That one is.

Let's see.

We did some some box jumps at uh

over big mic mic we did some box jumps the other day landing soft is the ultimate flex big mike was getting after it yeah big mike had everything that that box actually was that's 60 so i've done 61 before oh i've been up there

how recent have you been up on top of that 60

i don't do that much anymore what is 60 inches five feet 50 feet yeah you're box jumping out of that i mean i did you're stepping into that no no steps zero oh so you can dunk you're jumping on top of a five-foot person?

Yeah.

You can dunk?

Yeah, I can dunk.

You can definitely dunk.

All right, cool.

Yeah.

I mean, I've been sitting in a chair for four straight hours.

Excuse me, calisthenic.

Wait a minute.

You got it.

Plus, flat, too.

Help you.

Palmy.

Can you really just get up there and dunk?

He definitely can dunk.

Did you watch him move around at TST?

Like, he can definitely still dunk.

Yeah, soccer.

I'm talking just how he can move.

He's so large.

Yeah.

60-inch box jump is very fucking impressive.

Yeah,

what you do with the combine?

37-inch.

Very impressive.

Pretty explosive.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You can dunk.

If you can jump a foot and a half, you can dunk.

Ladies and gentlemen, how old are you now, Jage?

30.

Jeez.

Tough one.

36 years old, retired, future first Ballot Hall of Famer.

J.J.

Watt will attempt to dunk a basketball.

Drop step?

Straight vertical?

No steps?

This guy's a maniac.

If he does this, we will give away uh 20 cans of corn

autographed by Ty Schmidt boom

Wow

when was the last time you did that I was a little worried um

damn

That had to feel pretty good.

That was easy and jeans.

I was sitting there for four hours Just from the standstill

heard.

Damn.

Hey, keep your eye out for the Pacers on this run.

We don't know if we need you.

You know what I mean?

I'm an enforcer.

I'll be another JJ.

We'll be the double JJs.

Oh,

Dustin James and James Johnson.

People running their mouth.

I don't think so.

You guys eliminated the Bucs, though, so I don't know.

Those are my guys.

That was a matter of fact.

That was so long though.

That might as well have been two seasons ago, brother.

I know.

I know, Giannis.

Maybe the Houston, though, so that could be.

That was incredibly impressive.

Why'd you play it?

Yeah.

That was your 275 yeah

uh but he replay here

how do you feel about your explosion not great honestly oh dude that worked effortless yeah

good you should have tried to break the rim or the backboard you cracked he almost ripped the whole thing off the wall not a lot of people are coming in here dunking by the way

i don't know how many people have dunked on that particular hoop over there i think you're potentially the only one no bone did uh like last week all right let's get out of here

let's travel out here be a friend tell a a friend something nice.

It might change your life.

We're going to sit and get a team on me.

Oh, oh, Ben Stiller put a tweet up.

I'm going to do it.

Oh.

He said, we had a good time.

All good.

All right, good.

Come on the show, Ben.

Come on the show.

That's JJ.

Come on the show, Ben.

I think we would do it.

Ben also said he wants you to come to the next game.

Perfect.

Ben, come on the show.

Paddle, go to the game.

We got a

Jays.

You need to, you're really comfortable right now.

You just got done doing a big dunk and everything.

Yep.

This is less than it's about 24 hours from now trying to figure this whole schedule out.

I'm floating.

You are floating, as you should.

You're a beast of a man.

Thank you for traveling on here.

Massive Square Garden.

I mean, game five of the Eastern Conference finals.

The Mecca?

20,000, I believe.

They're going to they win.

You're going on the stage.

For, oh, afterwards.

Because they do the stage presentation.

Me and Rick Carlow up there.

Yeah.

Punching him in the shoulder.

Yeah.

Rick's going to take that trophy and go.

I don't.

Yeah, but Tyrese gets the

Larry Bird Eastern Conference player the tournament.

I knew that.

We don't know.

He might not be here.

Team on me.

AJ, great work today, bud.

Good luck in your workout tomorrow morning.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

You too.

Jade, Safe Travels Home.

Thank you for coming out.

You're the man.

Thank you for having me.

Congrats on the CBS gig, too.

That's a big deal.

Being the voice of the NFL every single week is a lot of pressure.

I think you're going to do a great job with it.

Thank you.

I will lean on your gentleman's guidance.

We do not need to be part of that.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Let's have a great day.

Team on three.

One, two, three.

Team.

Goodbye.

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