PMS 2.0 1342 - Tyrese Haliburton, Marty Smith From the PGA Championship, Dion Dawkins, Jeff Passan, & AJ Hawk

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and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome on this NFL schedule release date.

Also the Pacers are the ECF.

Wednesday show starts now.

Sports are happening all around us and obviously in this particular city with this particular team, they punched their ticket to the Eastern Conference Finals.

Once again, last year they lost four zip to the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals.

They were a team that was not expected to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals.

They were not a team that was expected to be one of the four teams left in the NBA all season long.

And then they go on this miraculous run last year, captivate this entire city, this entire state, this entire fan base.

And then this year, the beginning of the season, they're not that great.

And then post-All-Star break, they have been the best team in the NBA, both record-wise and optics-wise.

They are led by what the hell?

Tyrese Halliburton, who is voted the most overrated player in the NBA.

There's a lot of these these basketball journalist people that are saying, yeah, he's pretty good player.

He's pretty good player.

He's pretty good.

Yeah.

He's fucking led his team to the Eastern Conference Finals in back-to-back years as a 24-year-old.

He's an Olympic gold medalist.

Didn't get to play.

Didn't get to play, but did get invited over a lot of people.

You know why?

Because the people that actually play basketball respect this dude, true point guard, who obviously has a three-point shot that is unique, but it finds buckets.

I don't think he's missed a free throw other than on purpose for like six months, whatever the case.

And his teammates love him.

And it's not just Tyrese Halliburton.

It's also Miles Turner, who's been here for 10 years through many different transitions.

Spicy Pasco Siakam traded from Toronto last year, mid-season.

He's a perfect buyer.

Neese Smith, Nemhard, TJ McConnell, and Rick Carlisle, the head coach.

He's been a guy that's been shooed out of a couple different cities after building a winner.

This team perfectly epitomizes the city in which they represent.

And this city loves loves hoops.

And the fact that the Pacers are backed in the Eastern Conference finals is not a surprise to those of us who actually watch them play.

The only issue with watching them play is if you're a national fan or an NBA fan or a fan of another team, you haven't been able to watch them because they're never put on national television.

They've tried to hide this Pacers team, which is why I think 11 out of 11 people on ESPN projecting what this Cavalier series were going to go, projected the Cavaliers to win in either a gentleman sweep, an outright sweep, or in six or seven games, because nobody has seen this Pacers team play.

If you've watched them play since the All-Star Break, they're fast.

They're so fast.

They'll run your ass out of the gym.

Everybody's like, well, they play against teams that aren't healthy.

Well, that's because in a best of seven, taking on this Pacers team, they're setting a pace, brother, and that thing is moving.

You're going to have to keep up.

Now, it's things that Donovan Mitchell hurt his ankle and he wasn't fully healthy.

Mobley was playing.

Everybody was playing on the number one seed Eastern Conference Cleveland Cavaliers team.

And I must say, watching Donovan Mitchell do his thing was fun.

Now, I posted a

about Donovan Mitchell last night.

I said, you know what?

It's been fun to watch Donovan Mitchell in this particular series.

He's a dog.

It does feel like he's battling through a lot.

Everybody is.

It's a long season, everything like that.

All anybody responded to me is, he's a free throw merchant.

He's a free throw merchant.

He gets more calls than anybody.

It's like, also, he...

Hawks up threes like this and somehow they fall.

It was very obvious he was carrying that Cleveland Cavaliers team on his back when he was not doing great.

They were not doing great.

He had 40 in a game against the Pacers.

He had 35 plus last night.

I mean, this dude was fun to watch.

I had no idea he gets as much hate as he gets as well on the internet.

But nonetheless, number one seed.

Great season out of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Great season.

Not everybody can make the Easter Conference finals.

No, no.

Pacers can, back-to-back years, and maybe finally they'll get some respect.

And maybe finally they will think to themselves, maybe Tyrese Hallard Burton, he's a...

He's a leading mind.

This guy is an absolute superstar.

And I know he won't say it because he is a humble superstar, and that might be a part of his problem.

He's a funny dude.

He's got a lot of mocks.

He will rather do a sick pass to somebody than take it to the rack.

Will, if he has to.

He won for 30, obviously, last night in a series time.

Plus 54 in minutes over the last two games against Cleveland Cavaliers when Tyrese Halle-Burton was playing.

So like the guy can score, is willing to score, but he's a team first guy.

And I think that's why the boys all buy in.

We'll be talking to Tyrese in like five to ten minutes or so, obviously late night traveling back from Cleveland after demolishing them in a gentleman sweep to get to the Eastern Conference finals.

But yeah, it's a great time to be in Indiana.

And I

had SmackDown.

What was the date of that SmackDown, Foxy?

January 31st.

January 31st said this.

How excited are you to have the Royal Rumble in Indianapolis?

I'm very excited.

I'm very excited.

Indiana, don't we deserve this?

Yeah, we do.

I like how he says we too, by the way.

Yes, we do.

I'm so excited to be here.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

Great weekend.

We're thankful you're here.

And tomorrow, you take on the Atlanta Hawks in this building at 5 p.m.

Eastern.

How's that going to go?

And then are we going to see you at the Royal Rumble tomorrow?

It's going to be a good game.

Paces are hot.

We had a great January and we just want to keep it rolling.

So,

you know, the goal is to get a win and get to the Rumble.

He said they had a hot January.

It's the best team in the NBA.

Best record in January.

They're getting hot at the right time, Cole.

We're hanging a banner in this building because of this young stud in Spicy Spicy Peace.

Everybody said I was pandering at the time.

Nah, I was just watching.

I was actually just getting a chance to watch them play.

They all buy in, they all run, and they don't give a damn who's the one that's going off on that particular night.

It might be Miles Turner hitting step back threes.

It might be Pasco doing this wild shit, taking it to the wreck.

It might be Tyrese Halliburton doing his thing.

You know what?

Nemhart has taken over games.

Neesmith has taken over games.

Guys that you've never heard of, because once again, they're not on national TV.

Now, you're going to have to respect them.

You're going to have to see them.

They're back in the Eastern Conference finals.

And with Kevin Pritchard, the director of basketball operations, I think, for the Indiana Pacers, how he has pieced this team together for dogs is what he's looking for.

Obviously, need to be able to play basketball, but we need dogs.

It's the perfect fit for Coach Carlo.

It's a perfect fit for this city.

And they punched their ticket back to be one of the final four in the entire NBA.

Congrats to them.

I'm proud of this Pacers team.

Hell yeah.

Proud of this Pacers team.

Never hear a peep out of them.

No.

Never hear a peep out of them.

Just kind of, whoop, we'll just do our thing.

We'll keep working.

And they've obviously garnered respect from everybody, their peers.

And now it seems like the media is going to be forced to talk about them.

I didn't hear a lot of it this morning.

You know, did see the other day who's going to get their first title, Ant-Man or Halliburton.

It was like, wow,

holy hell, we're complimenting Halliburton here.

This is good news.

This is the first time.

He's young.

A lot of career left.

Good for them.

Who will join them in the Eastern Conference Finals?

Maybe we find out tonight.

Or maybe the Boston Celtics.

Let's go to the talks and table at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor.

You guys are without Tatum.

Officially, torn Achilles, which is an absolute bummer.

We are very optimistic, hoping that that was not the case.

He's obviously going to miss all of next year.

Surgery already has been done.

We know from our sport, Achilles is obviously a very fickle matter.

It takes a lot of rehab.

It's a long time.

To get that thing back to where it was beforehand is going to be damn near impossible, but to get it strong enough to be able to be stable enough for him to play 82 games and do basketball that he does, he's going to miss all of next year.

The Celtics still, I think, their favorites tonight, I believe, could beat the Knicks.

And I think the Celtics still have what it takes to potentially go on and win it all.

Now, maybe the Knicks punched their ticket to earn their way to play against the Indiana Pacers.

And obviously, that's a throwback rivalry that we all learned about last year yet again or reminded about last year.

You know, Reggie Miller, you know, the entire Knicks, I think he scored like nine points in like four seconds or something like that to come back and beat the Knicks.

Pacers-Knicks has always been a good thing in basketball.

It's seemingly all the way back with what happened last year in the playoffs.

Now it could be an Eastern Conference Finals matchup.

And I got a lot of Knicks fans tweeting me.

We can't wait to see you go Knicks go Knicks.

It's like, you better, hey, there's a champion up there.

It's a wounded dog up against the, with their backs to the wall.

How do you feel about the Boston Celtics taking on the Knicks this evening?

I feel good about tonight.

The Celtics are 8-2 without Tatum this year, so it's not as if it's kind of uncharted territory, if you will.

Sam Hauser will be playing again, but you know, just listen to what I'm saying.

You know, Sam Hauser will be playing again.

I'm not saying Jason Tatum is going to be back.

Jalen Brown, kind of, a lot of people have a lot of faith, you know, $300 million man.

Time to go earn that.

Hey, this is my team.

I can still do this on my own.

I think Peyton Pritchard could be hoisted into the starting lineup, which I think everybody would be very happy about.

Actually, fun fact with Peyton Pritchard is the only game he played more than 30 minutes was the game we won.

So maybe more Pritchard, maybe some more points, maybe another win, perhaps.

But again, you know, we're in it for this.

And when you watch the Pacers play, especially last night, when you watch the Thunder and the Nuggets play, but but especially the Pacers, because that's who's in the Eastern Conference Finals.

They're just so good.

They were down by 20 points last night, and people aren't talking about that.

There was a stat, two of the largest comebacks in closeout game history for the playoffs.

They have two of them this year.

The last series against the Bucs, they were down 20, and then the Pacers last night, they're down 19 against the Cavs.

So when you talk about kind of rising to the moment, and that's an easy spot to be in.

Hey, we're on the road.

It's game five.

Everybody's expecting us to win this.

We're up 3-1.

We can go home and play on our home court, which they've only lost once when Halliburton's playing.

I think they're 9-1

at home court with Halliburton playing.

So it's one of those things where, hey, let's just punt on this game.

We've actually seen it.

The Cavs did it in game four.

Confident did it, I believe, whenever Steph after Steph got hurt.

The Nuggets kind of did it in game four as well.

And the Pacers don't do that.

Carlisle gets the boys going, so it's awesome to see that but when it comes to the celtics tonight you know game five sure i could see the celtics getting the job done again they're a three-point shooting team it's not like tatum's the only one shooting threes they all shoot threes they get hot who knows what can happen so still have faith in the boys still have faith in missoula but it's definitely an uphill climb back to the uh you know larry o'brien title town yeah you talked about last night and obviously tonight we'll watch that game and if it is the knicks That's exciting news for ENBA.

Pacers, Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals is a beautiful thing.

Little old Indiana taking on, obviously, New York.

Both teams play similar.

Both teams kind of dogs, and both teams like to run.

So it would be an exciting Eastern Conference final.

You talked about last night, Nuggets and Thunder played.

I passed out, the Nuggets were up.

Mm-hmm.

Those West Coast, the Western Conference is tough to stay up for.

I'm going to be honest.

It is tough to stay up for.

I passed out.

Nuggets were up.

Joker had, I think, 28 points whenever I passed out.

Maybe it was already up over 30 points by whatever the case was.

And I saw yesterday that like the most bet thing on ESPN bet, I think, was Joker 25 plus points because how everybody had been talking about how Joker hadn't been playing well, hadn't been playing well.

Then down the stretch, there were some big-time plays made by both teams.

Obviously, Joker would inevitably end up hitting a crazy three to tie this thing up.

And then SGA would answer on the other side.

And then all it would take down the stretch is a miss, and then somebody get in on the foul line, and then another miss, and the game's over.

That is why four quarters, obviously, two and a half, three hours, whatever the case is.

If these games are close, and you talk about the Pacers being down 20, at the very end, it's who makes shots late.

That is really the only thing.

Doesn't matter how much you've been behind.

Does not matter how much you were up in the game, who's going to make shots late.

SGA and the boys, Chet,

Hartenstein.

Chet, yeah.

And then Hartenstein also had some big time plays down the stretch.

And Joker obviously led the boys for the Nuggets, gave him everything he possibly could have.

But what a great game.

And congrats to OKC

being who they said they were all season.

Basically, last night, very easily, Joker could have stole that one.

Oh, yeah.

Looked like they were going to.

And OKC with that crowd, I love the strength shirts.

I love how loud their crowd is.

I love how invested they are.

But them coming back and winning that and watching this this morning, the recap of the final four minutes, it was like OKC answered the bell every single time.

And I think that's the most important part whenever we get to this stage of the playoffs.

Yeah, Lou Dort,

because you fell asleep and they were up.

The Nuggets were, I think, by 11 at one point, Lou Dort had, I think, three threes back to back to back to kind of cut that lead down.

And then SGA towards the end of the game is just unbelievable.

Now, when it comes to the Nuggets, going to need Russell Westbrook and Watson and Michael Porter Jr.

maybe to hit a three every once in a while because that is.

I don't know if that's coming from Russ.

So

I love Russell Westbrook football.

Basketball.

Football.

Yeah, all basketball.

Basketball.

I love his effort.

I love his energy.

I don't think these eyes right here will still pop blood vessel vessel because Gunther.

I don't think these eyes.

Yeah, new bruises just popped up here on my arm.

I didn't expect that to show up.

You can see that there.

This just kind of came out of nowhere.

That must have been a deep bruise in there.

It's just kind of making its way to the surface now.

It's a contusion.

Jeez Louise.

That is a contusion.

It is.

I think Bruce,

it might be some real damage in there.

It's like, yeah, yeah, there is.

It's bleeding.

There's a pool of blood on my bicep.

Days later.

So I don't think these eyes, though, have seen Russell Westbrook make a three in some time.

But Joker and the boys will send it out there, and he's always wide open.

I think I know why he's always wide open.

But his confidence just to go up and huck that thing, immaculate.

Always.

Part of the reason why I love Russell Westbrook, but there was a time during a run in the fourth quarter where he gets bought three.

He shoots that thing out of bounds.

I mean, it ends up a choice.

Yeah, it ends up going out of bounds.

It's like they do need to make, if you can make shots late, you win the game.

And I love what Russell Westbrook has done.

I love him on that Nuggets team, but there's times where he has nothing but space.

I think he should just maybe take a step in, like maybe a couple steps in and just maybe see if it's a little bit easier there.

But nonetheless, OKCUs is who they said they were all season.

And the Indiana Pacers are exactly who we said they were all season.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, young superstar who has found himself in the Eastern Conference Finals for the second year in a row.

Leader of this Indiana Pacers team.

Ladies and gentlemen, last night had 30-plus points, 31, I believe.

Tyrese Halliburton.

Yay!

Congrats, dude.

I always appreciate the intro.

I always appreciate it.

I don't know who made this shirt, if you're associated with it, but it got sent to the office like two days ago.

So I figured I'd wear it just to show respect to you and the Pacers because it feels like everybody's been talking about you and the team the same exact way.

And I saw you give the interview last night after the game about outside noise.

The only thing that matters is how we believe in there.

You guys definitely use that as chips, though, right?

I mean, all 11 people that were predicting this series had you guys lose it for BSPN.

I assume the same from TNT.

Do you use that?

Does Coach Carlisle bring that up?

How often do you guys chat about the disrespect outside of maybe you and the fan base?

Oh, all the time.

I think it's

all the time.

It's a feel we use.

I think we have a lot of guys who have been overlooked at some point in their career.

You know, I think the majority of our starting lineup, you look at it, Andrew Nemhard's a second round pick.

Aaron Neesmith gets traded traded and they bleach report puts out a meme of calling him a paperclip when he gets traded uh miles turner was in has been in trade rumors his whole career uh you know pascal you know started the game late and you know it's been a big big uh big addition for us and then we've got a lot of guys like that who can all relate on that level we've all been overlooked at some some point we just you know we use it as fuel to you know try to do something special do you think kevin pritchard's looking for guys that are dogs like do you think that is your culture do you think you guys have more dogs than most teams

in that locker room?

I think he's looking for guys who play the right way and are willing to play our way.

You know, I think we got a lot of guys who just fit our style of play.

You hear people talk about how fast we play, how hard we play.

And I think that's a buy-in from everybody.

Even our guys, you know,

even our two-way guys who aren't even allowed to suit up right now, how hard they're going in their workouts, you know, even though they can't play and helping us with Scout team and all that stuff.

It's just, it goes through our whole organization.

So definitely a special group we're part of and, you know, doing some special things right now.

Coach Carlisle looks like Jim Carrey.

He certainly looks like Jim Carrey.

He's had success in different places.

He doesn't really get too high ever.

Really, it doesn't feel like he's not too.

Last night, his big thing was we're eight games away, eight wins away from NBA championship.

He's like, congratulations, you've earned it.

We're eight wins away now from an NBA title.

Pacers on three, one, two, three, Pacers.

That was basically like the call-up in the locker room.

I saw I don't know if you're speaking before that.

Then when he talks to the media, it's the same exact thing.

It's like when you guys were up 3-1,

he was like, we don't care about being up 3-1 because Cavaliers don't care that we're up 3-1.

Is he always just, he is

just always blinders on type guy?

What is Coach Carlisle like day to day for you guys?

Yeah, I think he is a very super serious person.

I try to joke as much as I can to try to get him to, you know, crack a smile or laugh from time to time.

During playoff time, it's hard.

If I could get him to smile or laugh during the playoffs,

it's a pretty special moment for me, some I cherish.

So

I know he's the guy who always is setting the tone with his sternness and being serious.

And I feel like it's kind of my job to,

I'm the point guard, so I got to kind of be the coach on the floor to share that messaging.

But at the same time,

keep everybody loose and having fun.

Let them know it's just basketball.

So let's just go out there and hoop.

Yeah, I think you said that whenever somebody was saying something, you're like, it's just basketball, it's not that serious.

And then you just kind of kept it moving.

But basketball is obviously something that this city and this state love.

I mean, this is a basketball state.

Before Peyton, as you get a phone call from Coach Carlos saying, keep my name out of your fucking mouth.

Keep your name out of my mouth, Coach Carlisle called.

But before Peyton Manning got here, this was a racing in basketball state, a racing and basketball city.

Obviously, the Indy 500 is here here every single year, the largest sporting event on earth.

And all the Indy cars are based out of here.

So the Indy drivers are actually like famous here in Indianapolis.

The Pacers had obviously been something that's been beloved.

And the Indiana Hoosiers are beloved.

So then Peyton comes in here and kind of turns it around.

But there's a time coming up now where I think the Indy 500 is happening during the day.

And then there's an Eastern Conference Finals game happening at night.

And I assume that would be to the detriment of us.

Every Indiana person I talked to are like, that's the greatest day in the history.

That's the greatest day in the history of Indiana.

Let's talk about you being back in the eastern conference finals coach carlisle has won a title before with dallas so obviously he has been there and he has seen it before and he can obviously say those things for you getting a chance to experience the eastern conference finals last year and then getting a chance to do it again what have you guys learned are you like a more mature team you think from all the experiences from last year or does that not really matter you just kind of got to focus on today

Yeah, no, I think we've grown a lot over the last year.

You know, I think last year we were just happy to be in the playoffs.

Like, honestly, it was just like playing with house money at that point.

We were just happy to be there.

And I think this year we came into the year with real internal expectations to get back to here and beyond and win a championship.

That's been our goal all year.

And we're

eight wins away from doing that.

But we know there's a lot of work in front of us.

But

after we won yesterday, I'm sitting in a locker room just kind of you know, letting it like feeling it, you know, because I don't want to take winning for granted.

you know that's something that i've heard a lot from my vets in my time in the league is don't take it for granted you know it's special stuff happening and you know a couple years ago i was at the draft lottery uh it represented the pacers and i was sitting there i was like steaming i was like i do not want to be here right now you know so the fact that the lottery happened the other day and it just so happened to be on on tv you know i didn't even know it was happening that day um that's pretty that's a pretty cool feeling some i don't want to take for granted last year you know i got hurt after you know in the middle in game two.

So,

you know, I'm just excited to, you know, be in the Easter Conference Finals and get the chance to, you know, get to play, you know, because last year getting hurt in game two was frustrating.

So I'm looking forward to, you know, hopefully having a, you know, a healthy series and being able to, you know, compete.

Yeah, you're only going to get a chance to win so many playoff series.

You know, they only come so many.

So you got to enjoy those moments whenever they come.

And also, nobody's going to remember it if you don't win the next series.

So if you don't enjoy that moment right there, you potentially miss it all.

Like last year, nobody really got to enjoy the Pacers season in the miraculous playoff run because of how it ended, legitimately.

And then right into the Olympics, then we're right into the season.

It's like nobody really took in how awesome of a run last year was.

I'm happy to hear you have a little bit more presence about you to enjoy the good times because who knows if they're ever going to come again.

They will.

Hopefully.

You never know what's going to take place.

Yeah.

Let's talk about that series a little bit.

Ty has a question for you, Tyrese.

Yeah, Tyrese, there was a stat going around last night that said the Cavs are 0-5 against you guys at home this year and 36-5 against everyone else in the NBA.

And Pat mentioned it before he came on about how, you know, I know you guys don't give a shit about it, but ESPN, all the NBA analysts, you know, no one picked you guys to win and all that kind of stuff.

Why do you think you had the Cavs number and what is it about like you guys as a team that matched up so well with them?

Because coming in, you know, everyone was talking about how good the Cavs were all season.

And no one really, you know, maybe with the exception of a few people and you guys in the locker room, expected you guys to win the series.

Yeah, I don't know if it was necessarily like we have their number, we have them super figured out or anything.

They're a hell of a team and they

do so many things so well.

But I think that our focus was just coming in and being us, you know, playing Pacers basketball.

We don't really, I feel like that's the most important thing every series is just being who we are.

So, you know, no matter how teams guard us, we're going to run, get up and down, dictate the pace.

And then defensively, if we can get enough stops to get to be able to play and transition even more, I think that really placed our favor.

So I thought we did a great job of getting stops, getting out and running.

The only game we lost this series, they dictated the pace, they dictated the physicality.

And that was a recipe for disaster for us in game three.

And I thought we did a great job responding in game four by getting stops.

You know, they had, what, 39 points at halftime.

We had a hell of a shot-making game that game.

You know, definitely a big hoop.

yeah yeah big hoop that night uh but i feel like a lot of it was we were getting stops getting down transition and then obviously playing in game bridge uh with the crowd behind us you know the rim just it felt like you throw it in the ocean you know so um i think i think the biggest part for us was just

oh there this is it this is the spn yeah yep

yeah you just froze tyrese because we're talking too much about the pacers we knew that i'm not gonna say it's adam silver because i think adam silver likes tyrese for sure i think he likes the pacers And Indiana.

Yeah, but this is definitely the networks, you know, being like, yeah.

Yeah, these guys can't.

We don't need anybody liking this.

These guys are too likable, yeah.

We don't need anybody liking this guy.

I did see people tweeting last night.

Not an NBA fan, but I have adopted the Pacers because of our show and because of Tyrese and everything like that.

I also saw some Pacers fans saying, you should get some of the other guys on the show.

Would love to.

Miles Turner's dog.

TJ McConnell, we've been trying to for legitimate two years.

Yeah, we've been trying.

You know, he's been on team since like, he's been on team like five years.

That's not true.

I didn't think that was.

So they were complaining.

They were complaining?

No, they weren't complaining.

They were like continuing to showcase.

They wanted us to continue to showcase this Pacers team because nobody really talks about it.

Joining us again, ladies and gentlemen, Tyrese Halliburton.

You were talking about game four where you were able to respond after.

Yeah, that was the network shutting you down, brother.

They didn't want you to be too liked.

They didn't want you to be too because you were speaking to three different voices there, and they didn't want any of them to be liked.

I think you did catch a different one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A mixture of the two.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like, you know, and then what's that?

The Venn diagram.

You got the one over here, then you got the other over here, and then every once in a while, those things, you know, like good tag team wrestling, they come together and they're putting a...

They didn't teach you that in West Virginia?

No, no.

Well, I didn't.

I learned a lot of West Virginia.

Tag Team Wrestling?

I would say

I learned a lot of West Virginia.

I was talking more about the Venn diagram, but okay.

You saw me draw it, brother.

Okay.

I might not be able to read the music, but I can certainly play it.

Shout out to, you know, Nick Cannon and that entire thing.

But like, whenever, you know, you have those voices, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you just yeah,

great movie, drumline drum line, hell of a movie.

I didn't like

you know, and I don't know what the head guy is named in that entire world or whatever, the bot, the coach, the boss, whatever, the head of the P1.

Yeah, I appreciate him kind of, you know, laying them laying it on the good coaching and everything.

But when push comes to shove, the fucking guy had it, you know, like let's not be worrying about the little things, let's worry.

That's why they shooting him up for the biggest game.

Bingo, and they had to, and they knew they had to.

Because when he,

was exposure, yeah.

One bam, one sound.

But that guy has a different sound.

He does.

Yeah, maybe you can't read the music because they weren't able to keep up with him.

Nonetheless, you said in game four, you guys were able to dictate the tempo and control it.

And that's kind of how you guys play.

That is when you're at your best.

And you talked about that game three, where Cleveland kind of did that to you guys in one by 40 or whatever the case was.

I'm really happy that we didn't have a show the next day.

Like, that was

that happened on a Friday.

You know, so we get away from that.

Go.

My focus was backlash, you know, after that game.

I'm getting PTSD.

Yeah.

My fault.

My fault.

My focus was on backlash after

that.

I don't even know where we had a game three.

Just on to the next one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well.

Or media.

In game three, yeah.

And also media.

Or media.

I don't know if that was your decision or if it was the team's decision.

Nonetheless, love that we are moving on to the Eastern Conference finals.

You talk about that game three where you lose by that massive amount one guy had 40 points in that game and he was spectacular to watch con man has a question for you tyrese yeah tyrese first of all thank you for calling yesterday and checking in on me after the tatum news that was very nice you said gentlemen said you said a prayer immediately that was a that was a classy move classe if you will uh but donovan mitchell pat mentioned it he was unbelievable uh when he was playing for the series obviously he was banged up too you guys had a little moment after the game you were covering your mouth as you were talking to him so the lip readers couldn't really decipher what you were saying what was that conversation like was it something along the lines of hey Cleveland's not that far from Indianapolis you come and team up with us we could really run this shit next year again or what was would be a great pacer would be great Would be a great, it feels like he has everything that would be a great pacer.

Already in the Midwest, he played for Utah, so we know what that's like.

So you come to Indy, he would love it.

But what was that?

What's that?

We have more black people in Utah.

No, I'm not kidding.

That's not what we were talking about.

It's my fault.

He's from Boston.

I get it.

That's what you're immediately talking about.

Go ahead.

What the hell?

But no, not at all.

I completely disagree strongly.

But what was that back and forth like?

And where did you guys kind of leave it?

Did you talk to him after the game or was it just on the court there?

Just on the floor there.

I've gotten to know him over the last couple of years through CIA.

We have the same agency.

Our marketing agents are really good friends.

So me and Don have got to know each other pretty well.

I think it was just a show of respect.

I think I got a lot of love for Don.

Obviously, you guys saw when the crowd was trying to get on me there and was at game two.

And he was quieting down in the crowd when they were chatting and overrated at me.

Yeah, I just wanted to share with him that I couldn't tell him at that moment or, you know, during the series, but that meant a lot to me, you know, because definitely a peer of mine that I have a lot of respect for.

And, you know, he had a hell of a series.

He's an unbelievable player.

So just to show respect there and a guy that I know

that I'll see a lot throughout my career, you know, being in the same division, same conference.

And so I just love competing against that guy.

Great dude, great competitor.

And it was a lot of fun.

He gets a lot of heat, too.

I tweeted that it was fun to watch him.

Like it was unbelievable to watch this guy this series.

I don't get to watch as many Cavs game because just like you guys, they don't get a lot of respect in the national prime time

kind of slots throughout the season.

And then all anybody responded was like, free throw merchant, this guy's bullshit.

It's like, what?

Are we watching the same?

Are we watching the same guy?

He gets a lot of heat too.

Why do you think guys like you, guys like him, maybe don't get as much respect?

Do you think it's smaller market stuff?

I mean, it's not even that though.

It's like, I think it's just.

Sometimes there are just miserable sports fans in every sport.

True.

You know, there's just people, every sport are like,

if my team's not doing well, I got to talk negative about somebody else.

Or, hey he's doing well against my team i gotta talk negative about him like that's just how sports and competition work i mean we all everybody has critics you have critics you know on your show i have critics in what i do jesus had critics we all got critics so like amen jesus did didn't he a lot of critics still does more than most so you know it's all it's all part of it could you imagine if there's social media when jesus was doing his stuff oh my gosh the amount of his mentions

oh yeah they'd be ridiculous he'd turn all the water into wine.

You know how many retweets that would have got at a wedding?

Oh my god, you're right.

Because we see O's the mentalist predict a number or something like that.

I couldn't even imagine what Jesus' content would be like.

Jesus, we're out of wine.

What do we do?

What about the bread?

He did something with bread, too.

Yeah,

basically, took like three fish and three loaves of bread and was like, this isn't going to feed anybody.

How about I boom, make it into 500 fish and 500 loaves of bread.

Oh my God.

Retweet.

Retweet.

Yeah, exactly.

Retweet.

I mean, that would.

Oh, shit.

A lot of people would be.

I saw him pause it and put all those fish and prints.

Yeah, mango, that would be the opposite side would be.

I don't believe it.

The water?

I mean, the water.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Jeez.

People would think there was glass underneath.

Something.

Oh, he's on

one of those.

You can see the strings holding him up.

You can see the water.

This is why Chris Angel's, the hate he gets is bullshit.

He doesn't get hate.

Please, I don't think we should be putting Chris Angel directly in the Jesus Christ conversation.

Oh, really?

Angel?

Christ?

Is that right?

I'm going to say, for the good of Chris Angel, who we are a fan of, I don't think this is the right time to insert him into this combo.

But with that being said, what is the sandbar?

That's like whatever that's what people would say.

You see the sandbar.

He's walking out of the whole way.

Yeah.

And that's why, you know, that's why people say,

I could walk on water and people say it's because I can't swim.

You need to just keep going, Tyrese.

Don't listen to any of these people.

You know, I will say, though, you shooting threes,

you're a much better three-point shooter than anybody gives you credit for i think and what like do you agree have you always been this way or have you worked on that because i feel like for point guard that is a great weapon to have especially because how much you got to move and then obviously drive dish pass get the ball back feels like being able to dribble being able to pass and being able to shoot a three are like the three most important things for a point guard have you had to work on your three or has it always been there Yeah, I mean, I have to work on it every day.

I mean,

coming into last night, I had been shooting the ball awful all playoffs from three.

So, you know, good to see a couple go down.

And that second quarter, you know, the game had a chance to get ugly there.

And, you know, I saw the first one go in.

They just felt good from there.

And,

you know, guys kept finding me open.

So just trying to, you know, make the right play.

But

yeah, I mean, I feel like I've shot over 40%, you know, for the majority of my career going back to college and high school.

So,

you know, I just continue to do what I do.

It's not the prettiest.

It's not the prettiest, you know, but

that's that's okay.

You think?

How do you just were always shooting like that?

Were you small?

No, like if you if you if you find clips of me from like early in high school, I used to have to catch the ball dip it to my hip then raise it back and shoot it and then I met this coach coach B who is my my AU coach all grow

Freshman year all throughout high school now you know runs my AU program.

He used to have me do the mic and drill every day.

I don't know if you guys know what that is, but like you shoot layups.

You shoot layups on both sides.

You grab the rebound, you shoot it, grab the rebound, shoot it.

And the way most people teach it, you grab the rebound, you dip the ball, and you shoot it, right?

And you dip it, and that's just not human nature.

But for me,

he used to put his arm out like in my stomach.

And if I dip the ball, he would just smack it and get like make me go like kick it across the gym and I have to go pick it up.

So like now that he would force me to keep it above my shoulders.

And then that forced that I feel like now if somebody gives me a pass high, I don't have to dip it.

You know, and that allows allows me to get it off

more efficiently.

But yeah, I used to have an ugly, ugly like hitch and dip to it, but you know,

it all comes, it all comes with some work.

Yeah, but if it falls, who cares?

I think that has been the

MO of the NBA for a long time.

A lot of different styles.

Obviously, you got like the perfect form guys.

And then there's the

Amari, maybe Sean Marion.

Sean Marion, yeah, had like, yeah, it was just absurd.

But if it was fallen, who cares?

I also saw Cat Williams.

Did you see him with Lethal Shooter?

No, he didn't miss.

He's chespassing that thing, and it's splash.

Splash.

Cat Williams might be.

Hold on.

Yeah, he might be looking for a 12-day or whatever it is you guys have.

Let's call it a 10-day.

A 10-day, brother.

I think it should be 12, though, for Cat

because Cat is an absolute adult.

You guys will want him in the room.

I think you guys will want him in there.

He's been working

with Lethal Shooter.

Okay, so let's look ahead.

The Eastern Conference Finals.

You're going to watch alongside all of us, I assume, Celtics Knicks.

Celtics certainly have enough to get the job done, I think.

They are the champions for a reason.

Losing Tatum to an Achilles, not only for this playoff run, but all of next year, sucks.

Hey, Connor, we want to let you and all Celtics fans know, just like Tyree said yesterday to you, sucks.

Sucks for the game, sucks for the Celtics, sucks all together.

I think you said something to Connor, but would you like to say something about the Tatum thing?

You're obviously a big fan of his.

That sucks, though.

Yeah, obviously, man, sucks to see.

He was really hooping, playing really well.

And, yeah, I think it's, I mean, I think everybody in the basketball world just hates to see that happen.

You know, he's had a hell of a year.

You know, he's been such a staple for the Celtics organization, for the league.

And so I hate to see that happen, but, you know.

Prayers up for him.

And I feel like, you know, he got surgery already.

And, you know, he's going to heal and come back to be

the same guy he is, hopefully.

So,

yeah, man, I hate to see that happen.

That sucks.

It absolutely sucks for all of basketball, especially especially with the reigning champs.

But I still think have enough.

But I saw a lot of Knicks fans showing up in my comments last night, basically saying they're waiting on us.

The world is.

Tone has a question for you.

Yeah, Tyrese.

Let's just say, you know, the Knicks are the favorites to move on and play you guys in the Eastern Conference final.

I don't know if you know anything about long-term storytelling.

We do over here.

And so does the WWE.

And they predicted the Eastern Conference finals right here.

Oh, wait a minute, Wade.

Shoot him off.

We might need to get some security out here and work, brother.

No, it's not.

That's for shoot.

How do you feel about instead of doing a jump ball to start the game, a no-holes bar New York-style city street fight to decide who gets balled first?

Or just a lock-up.

Yeah,

or just a lock-up, you know, maybe just lock-ups.

Yeah,

I think that might be a time where, you know, I

might fake an injury and they got to find a replacement.

And James Johnson comes out to represent the Indiana Panthers.

So

I think that's where we're that's probably where we'll have to go if that's if that's the case.

But Logan texted me last night after the game and I was like, man, sorry to do it.

Sorry to do that to your city.

And he was like, man, this is crazy.

You and Jalen were with us in the garden.

And I was like, yeah, let me know if you want to come to a game.

So see if Logan or Logan or Mr.

H would like to come to a game here in Indiana.

They got an open invite.

I got seats court side because, you know, Pop still ain't coming to the game.

So they're

more than welcome to

come join and keep the storytelling going.

I hope we get a chance to see them here in Indianapolis.

Obviously, they would be welcome.

Mr.

H has a thousand things going on.

So does Logan Paul, but I think they should at least take a victory lap on what, you know, they potentially had come together.

You just brought up your dad.

How's he been through this entire thing?

Is he starting to enjoy watching it away from the arena or is he yearning to get back in there so he can let the people know?

I think he's enjoying watching it from the house.

um

you know he watched it they had a little watch party at my house last night him my mom and and jade and over here at the crib um i called them after the game and uh the whole locker i i have a video i can send you uh the whole locker room was got on the phone with them everybody was like free pops to us backwards you know

you know the the league left the league left it open they said foreseeable future so we don't know what the foreseeable future really i don't know what that means so we'll see what what ends up happening uh but yo i'm sure he would love to get back in the building i'm sure he would get a uh

he would probably get an ovation if he oh not just probably yeah they should they should not

stop the game at that point with the whole with the whole wwe thing i think he needs to they need to like stone cold glass shatter pops walks through the tunnel

that would be that'd be pretty straight up the tip and he would live up for the moment he would live up to the moment too i mean let's not get it twisted here pops don't get him started yeah he's he's he's already, he's got a plan already.

Yeah.

If he's coming, maybe a t-shirt gun, you know, with free pops shirts in there.

Boom, pang, pow.

The boys.

Maybe him and Mr.

H could come out to DX.

Are you ready?

Wow.

That'd be kind of sick.

And then your dad just comes out.

Where's Adam Silver at?

Goes right up to Adam Silver.

That'd be awesome.

All right.

Last thing for me.

LeBron put out a tweet about you.

You talked about LeBron.

He talked about you after the Olympic experience.

Obviously, you're a young lad on that Olympic team.

They're expecting you to come, if not, be the next leader of Team United States of America.

And maybe you win four gold medals.

There's a chance with how young you are in the entirety.

But I think you built up a relationship with a lot of guys on that team, LeBron being one of them.

There's a photo of you two flexing your gold medals at the end.

But that last sentence there,

that boy nice, very complimentary.

Your dad read that and was like, thank you.

I agree.

And even more, someone everyone would love to play with.

Do you get a sense about that as a point guard?

That that's a big deal?

Because, like, you talk about being a coach on the field.

In our world, you're also like the quarterback out there.

And it feels like the point guard has to be well liked by his teammates.

I feel like the point guard has to be look out for his teammates before he looks out for himself.

Is that kind of your mindset?

And do you think you're like a throwback style point guard, which is why maybe LeBron and the other boys enjoy your style of play?

I just feel like I'm maybe part of a maybe a little bit of a dying breed in our league.

I feel like I'm

a true pass-first point guard.

I feel like that's not as common these days.

But I just try to play the game the right way, man.

Try to, you know.

I want to play the right way and I want to win.

That's the most important thing for me.

So I'm sure it's easy.

I mean, Broad said people would want to play with the, yeah, for winning.

I'm sure people would love to play

alongside me.

But I think our group, just our group in general, I think we have a group that people enjoy to watch.

People enjoy to cheer for.

I think that's why we got, you know, our fans here in Indiana love getting behind this group.

And,

you know, we're getting people like you out of, you know, used to, the paces were kind of kept at arm's distance for.

We're bringing you back in.

You know, you're back in.

And that's happening with a lot of people out there.

And that's cool to see.

And, yeah, the Braun thing was super, super cool.

We texted back and forth last night.

You know, there's, I've got a lot.

I've grown a lot of cool relationships, you know, from that Olympic experience.

And

it's been really cool.

But yeah, we're not done.

We still got a lot to go.

Okay, let LeBron know next time you text him.

We appreciate the hell out of him for the LeBron Zation.

Yeah.

Ronversation.

Bronze Listation.

I'll make sure I let him know.

Yeah, please do.

I've not talked to him since then, but please let him know.

So I've tried to say it publicly so maybe you'll make way to him.

We are very thankful for the LeBron versation.

And we are still all very amazed with how fucking big he is yeah yeah he is you all are so big like i watched that clip i don't know if you saw it earlier we ran the clip from the smackdown before rumble when you came out with me and michael cole and it's like i am clearly you know and you're nowhere near the tallest guy on the court you mb look at Look how big you are.

Just look how tall you are.

I don't want to call you like abnormal, but you get it.

You NBA guys

are a special, special type of athlete.

And what you and the Pacers are doing has been nothing short of magical here in this city.

We appreciate the hell out of it.

Enjoy your day.

Tell the family, tell Jade we said what's up, and thank you for making time.

Yeah, appreciate you guys.

Pat, all I know is you better come to the Congress Finals again.

Okay, that's all I know.

Yeah, yeah, got nothing but time.

No, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, no, we got nothing but time.

You better be at the game.

It's race day, man.

Yeah, game three is Pacers and Racers.

Race in the morning.

Yeah, you can make game three happen.

You can't make game three happen.

You can make game four.

Yeah, of course.

Of course.

I'm wild at my house when I'm watching these games.

Oh, God.

I got my legs kicked up.

Yeah, it's really nice.

Hey, Days.

Oh, no more legs kicked up.

Court, you need to be court side.

I got you.

I got you.

You guys are going to love me.

Oh, you got it.

We don't rev it up anymore.

We don't rev it up anymore.

Okay, that's what we learned from last year.

That's what we learned from last year's playoff run.

Got it.

Got it.

Yes, but we can give you a mic and let you, you know, do your promo.

You know, Stephanie McMahon, Stephanie's place, and say she learned promos from you.

We could, you know, you get your promo off right there.

Hey, that was a pretty good episode, wasn't it?

That's it.

That was a great episode.

Yeah.

Great episode.

I watched it.

I was like, man, you guys were like really nice to me.

That never happened.

Normally, whenever I take my time to talk to somebody and they're either writing something or creating something, it's just a burial.

of me and it's like oh i'm happy i spent my time uh doing that with you i didn't know that was an angle that you could even take from what we talked about they were very kind to me stephanie is very cool to me and i think it told the story well of how much wrestling can do and how much wrestling can you know help folks and i think you're one of the people that believe the same thing as do we and uh i can't wait to watch you do your thing in the ecf brother good luck the rest of the way yeah appreciate it bro appreciate it guys you're the man ladies and gentlemen tyrese hallenberg heyrese

perfect superstar yeah especially for indiana Absolutely.

But if he was even in a big city, I think.

Oh, it'd be especially with the shit he does and the way he plays.

Yeah, because he's kind of a nerd.

You know, he has nerdy qualities about him.

I think he said something about Katan.

Katan.

Yeah, Catan, yeah.

Yeah, he said, I've never played chess before, but I think I've played Catan, which I think is like a similar thing or whatever.

Well, loves wrestling, as do we, so I'm not saying like that's nerdy, but like a lot of the things he's interested in.

Yeah, once I would say

no,

that's part of it.

Part of that is not, it's an Iowa grad.

They're talking about that, but it's like loves video game, like everything about him is like maybe more relatable than any NBA superstar that I've ever encountered.

But then on a court, dog.

Yes.

Like absolute dog on the court.

And he wants his team to do what?

Point guard.

Like that is literally what he wants.

It's been perfect for him here in Indy.

Well, that's why some of these small market teams, like we talk about how the NBA doesn't see a lot of fans don't see teams like Indiana because they're small market, but now these small market teams have massive stars.

Like Hal Burton, I mean, Minnesota with Ann Edwards, Oklahoma City with SGA, like four of the last, you know, four teams possibly, or three of the last four teams possibly will have these smaller markets.

What's Denver considered small?

I think they're small, but because they just won a title a few years ago, they've been on a much bigger market because of the yoga.

They're bigger than the other ones.

Three MVPs, yeah.

I mean, Colorado, they went on that run where the Avs won a title, the, you know, the freaking Nuggets won a title, and all those things.

So they're getting bigger.

Yeah, I think so.

Basketball's in a good spot.

A lot of young superstars.

Yeah.

Brunson, if it is Brunson and Tyrese, Tyrese, that's

here we go, brother.

Cinema is about to take place.

Absolutely.

We will be off tomorrow and Friday because the PGA Championship is being covered by ESPN.

Obviously, this is massive in the golf world.

All the megastars will be golfing at Quail Hollow.

Joining us now is a man who is a megastar.

Ladies and gentlemen, ESPN's Southern Hospitality, Marty Smith.

Yay, Marty!

How you doing?

Gentlemen, how are we doing this fine day?

I look like Skeletor in this overhead sunlight out here at beautiful Quail Hollow.

Yeah, I think I missed it.

We're out here.

What do you think about this view, Patty?

That's not bad.

Where are we at?

We're at the driving range right now.

Everybody's getting warmed up getting loose for the day.

Yep, we're out here at the driving range.

And

I just had a great conversation with Rory McElroy, who, of course, along with Scotty Scheffler, are your betting favorites this weekend here in the PGA Championship.

And for Rory, with great reason, won the Players Championship already, finally won the Masters tournament and thereby the career Grand Slam along with it.

And

I've known him a long time.

I've rarely, I don't know if I've ever seen him this emotionally free as a result of that victory.

I was just talking with Rory and his caddy about winning Augusta and he said earlier today that he won't watch it anymore on TV.

He won't go back and watch the footage of that victory at Augusta because he wants to remember it the way he lived it in the film strip of his mind.

And I just think that's fantastic.

Yeah, I think so too, especially because you could see the weight, you know, kind of leaving his body.

You talk about him being mentally free.

We saw the moment where it all happened.

And if Rory can get back to what we thought Rory was going to be, what, like five, six years ago?

I mean, absolute weapons.

Scottie Scheffler, though, you talk about the favorites for this weekend, favorites for any golf tournament.

This guy's just a different animal whenever it comes to golfing.

what is scotty scheffler's vibe like and is this a course you think that scotty scheffler is going to do well on not that scotty scheffler has any weak courses but is this a course that scotty scheffler should be able to slice and dice

absolutely to your point there is no weakness the guy does everything well

and on top of that pat going back to the emotion of of the lives these guys live Scotty Scheffler is the most unaffected number one player in the world, elite athlete, global icon that you'll ever meet.

The guy just doesn't define himself based on his sport.

He defines himself based on the husband he is and the father he is, and he's a man of faith.

He lets those things define him, not the game at which he's the best in the world.

And so I admire that.

I know a lot of other people do, but certainly the way that he strikes the golf ball,

the respect he has out here, he's going to be formidable.

And as good as Rory's been playing, Scotty is the favorite.

Let me just take you guys on a little walk.

Yeah, please, where are we?

So we're at the driving range where everybody's warming up.

Wednesdays are normally like pro-am or is this practice day?

It is a practice day.

We've had terrible weather here in Charlotte, but I wanted to show you guys something.

And hopefully our boy Tyrese Halliburton is still watching.

Oh, wow.

Oh, Larry O'Brien.

Right there, America.

What's up, buddy?

That is the Larry O'Brien trophy that Tyrese and his boys are chasing after,

along with many other elite players.

Isn't that cool?

Isn't that cool?

They gave me a nice little lapel pen.

I feel official.

Thank you guys for that.

Our great friends at the NBA.

Hey, let's get that thing to Indiana here in a couple weeks.

You know, let's get that thing to Indiana.

Down the range here, and I got to be a little muted.

This is golf, okay?

Yeah.

So I'm going to be a little muted.

Okay, check this out.

Okay.

Here's our boy Max Homa.

Okay, Homa's got a good swing.

Let's judge this thing.

Brand of the show.

Let's just watch this for a second.

Oh, good swing.

Casual.

In shorts?

He likes it.

Hopefully, that shot's good.

Okay, there we go.

Smaller cavs.

they're in shorts we're allowed to wear shorts out there marty we're allowed to wear shorts

where did he go oh there he is yeah they can wear shorts out here but uh during practice rap good nose shot by marty marty there we're seeing right up your nose i like that you have i'm trying oh can you see my nose hair my bad yeah no you trimmed it it's very properly trimmed max homa

oh he likes it hey that's a good

That's a good motion there.

Absolutely.

Pure.

Just pure voice.

I'm in a palm.

Let's go down here.

Maybe we can.

Maybe we can say there's Nick Dunlap.

He's roll tie.

Hey, roll tag.

Go tag.

He's roll tied.

Great resilience at Augusta.

Shot 90 on the first day.

Did not withdraw.

Did not quit.

And came out and finished.

I love that.

We should talk to Teet Mitchell.

Teeth Mitchell's Go Dogs.

Go Dogs.

He's one of the all-time great Americans.

Hey, go dogs.

You're on TV right now.

Go, Dogs.

Go, Dogs.

You're on Twitter.

Hey, how do we feel?

How do we feel?

How's the ball coming off the club?

It's good.

We're trying to hit our numbers here, but I got a man in a suit and tie over here talking to me, so it's a little tough.

What do you think about my pants?

I think they're very charlotte in the tournament.

Oh, geez!

How the hell are you guys supposed to golf with those pants, Marty?

Jeez, Louise.

We just turned on the neon lights.

Give us a quick preview of the tournament.

Yeah, what's the course?

What's course like?

What's the course playing like?

It's sloppy.

I mean, I mean that because of the rain.

It's in perfect condition.

It's just soaking wet out there, but they have this system under the greens that sucks all the water out and it's playing firm.

And the greens are firm and fast, and the fairways are soaking wet and slow.

So, what's that mean?

Whoever can hit it?

That means you have to hit it really far and really high.

Oh, because then it's

yes.

Got it.

And

do you know what Cashmere Keith Mitchell leans on when he has to hit it really far and really high?

What's that?

The greatest chest hair on the PGA tour.

Thank you for that.

Appreciate you.

I mean,

that man has some meat sauce on my shit.

He just lists.

God, I thought there were some golf analysis coming.

Oh, this guy has the best seven-iron, maybe.

Like, I thought it was coming.

No, Patty.

No, sir.

Hey, hold on.

It's really all about the chest hair.

Before we interrupt, somebody else has driving range, which is awesome.

We need to do this every single time with you, Marty.

This is fantastic.

I just learned a lot there.

Sloppy fairways, hard greens.

They got a drying system underneath that.

Everything else is potentially going to be a little thick.

I don't know who that benefits, but I'm going to bet on the guy with some chest hair.

Now, there's another person on the favorites list there from the ESPN bet.

Tone Diggs has a a question for you, Marty.

Yeah, Marty, when we were looking at the favorites there, obviously Bryson DeCambeau from Live is up there plus 800.

It feels like he's the only one from Live that we can kind of trust right now to go out every major tournament and put out and show up.

Like, what's going on with Rombo and Brooks Kepka?

Obviously, Rom's up there at plus 2,000, but it feels like those two in the last couple of years, you can't really rely on them.

What's going on with the rest of the live and obviously, you know, those top two?

Well, first with Bryson, you're so right.

He is so well prepared every time we come into major championships.

Of course, won the U.S.

Open last year at Pinehurst, outlasting Rory McElroy.

But it is interesting with Brooks, who's one of the greatest major champions there's ever been.

You know that when we're on these stages, he's going to be there.

But it has been a struggle since he won the PGA championship a couple years ago.

And Dustin Johnson, you know, he's a major champion multiple times over.

Where has he been?

Rombo, a master's champion, a multiple major champion.

Where has he been?

A lot of people will tell you it's because Live doesn't have the same intensity or require the same focus that the PGA tour does.

Those guys will scoff at that.

But that is most certainly a narrative out here that because those guys got all of that money, that they've gotten complacent.

They don't believe that.

And certainly Brooks, and I will tell you, having known him pretty well for a long time and someone that I consider a friend, I think that he is incredibly focused this weekend to go fly the bird at that narrative.

Okay, I like to hear that because Brooks hunting in the weekend is just looks so cool.

Everything just looks so cool when Brooks is around.

And Rombo, to Diggs's point, I mean, he was about to take over golf.

Oh, yeah.

A little three-quarter swing.

We learned a story about his birth foot.

I think he had like a club foot or whatever, which is the reason why his swing is the way it is.

We loved old Rombo.

And I didn't blame him for getting 150 million, but when you're sleeping on satin sheets, Marty, they say sometimes it's hard to want to wake up and get punched in the face.

You know, it gets a little bit of a different animal in that entire thing.

And I think that 150 million number is a little bit a conservative estimate there.

I think that number was fatter than that, sir.

I think his wallet is much fatter than that.

Well, maybe...

Maybe at some point you get past the honeymoon phase of like, wow, I am ridiculously wealthy and get back to playing great golf.

They're competitors.

Yes.

They are

down in here.

They are competitors.

And they desperately, on these stages, when they're back aligned with the PGA Tour at major championships, they want to prove it.

And I can guarantee you that any narrative that they aren't as prepared as they once were pisses them off.

And so we'll see how they respond to that.

To your point, it hasn't been, there hasn't been a whole lot of competitiveness from Liv other than Bryson, Bryson, in recent years, but

all of those guys are really good, really good.

And I would love to see one of those guys in contention here on Sunday evening.

All right, Marty, beautiful Charlotte, North Carolina.

We have a heart out in two minutes, real quick.

The PGA championship has Scotty, Rory, and Xander golfing together for the first two rounds.

You talk about everybody being competitors.

Who do you think this best?

Do you think this helps all three?

Do you think it likes?

Yeah, okay, go ahead.

i do think it helps all three because when you're sitting there and witnessing firsthand you don't have to look up at a leaderboard to see who's doing what these are three of the best players in the world and have been for many years now of course xander won two major championships last year rory just won the masters and scotty's the best player in the world so they're going to be in a position where they're seeing real time for a couple days what the best in the world are doing out here at Quail Hollow.

And I think that they all three will

ratchet up their game to another level.

Now, Xander, of course, he's been battling a little bit of an injury, it's been a little bit of an inconsistent year so far, but

he's been fantastic in major championships the past couple years.

It's going to be that that that grouping is just going to be fascinating to watch.

Can't wait.

Yeah, me neither.

And Connor's got the last one for you, quick.

Yeah, Marty, real quick.

You have any bow jangles from McGee down there in Charlotte?

Well, I know that a lot of people in the

national viewership and the national consciousness may not really understand the

just what Bojangles is.

When LeBron James is,

when it is must-to-eat anytime he comes near Charlotte, North Carolina, you know it's the truth.

It is a Charlotte state.

All right, we gotta go.

We love Bojangles.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Best sweet tea in the world.

I don't want to boys out there for sugar and you can't.

That's Marty Smith.

Thank you, Marty.

Marty Smith.

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A lot of bobbleheads.

Baseball bobbleheads.

Race car bobbleheads.

Little chihuahua bobbleheads.

He's got an entire room strictly for bobbleheads.

Does he need them?

No.

Is his wife mad about it?

A little.

But Tim works with Empower and he got good at money, so he can be a little bad.

Ooh, horse bobblehead.

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Reese's peanut butter cups are the greatest, but let me play devil's advocate here.

Let's see.

So, no, that's a good thing.

That's definitely not a problem.

Reese's, you did it.

You stumped this charming devil.

Spores are happening all around us, and we're lucky that we get a chance to chat about it.

Last night, the Indiana Pacers, who were led by Tyrese Halliburton, Miles Turner, Pascal Siakam, Nemhard Neesh Smith, TJ McConnell, and Rick Carlisle as the head coach, punched their ticket to the Eastern Conference Finals for the second year in a row.

Tyrese Halliburton was voted the most overrated player in the NBA by the New York Times athletic poll.

And what did they do?

They just knocked off the number one seed in Cleveland last night.

Now, who will they play in in that Eastern Conference finals?

Will it be the Boston Celtics who just learned yesterday that their worst fears have become a reality?

Jason Tatum tore his Achilles tendon in a game in which he was about to score 40.

I think he maybe already scored 40 against the New York Knicks.

He'll be out for the rest of the playoffs, obviously, and then obviously, I think out all of next year as well.

An absolute bummer for the sport of basketball and not great for the association and obviously sucks for all Boston Celtics fan, but the rest of their team is still stacked and still have championship pedigree as they take on a New York Knicks team that if the game is close in the fourth quarter, that man, the Brunson burner, Jalen Brunson, will make it a Knicks win as opposed to a Knicks loss.

Carl Anthony Towns was traded over there, and the rest of that Knicks squad is built for the moment, seemingly.

And all of New York City is rallying behind them.

They could potentially punch their ticket as well as underdogs in Boston of four and a half points.

That game will start at 7 o'clock on TNT and True TV.

Who will be seeing the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals?

Let's go to the talks table at Boss Conner at Ty Schmidt.

Ty, how do you feel about the Boston Celtics chances without Tatum?

Do you think this is a Knicks game, obviously, to win?

I kind of get a sense that the Celtics win tonight just because they're not, like, there's no way they're supposed to win.

Yeah, no, I'm kind of in the same camp as Connor.

I think there's a good chance that they do win this game tonight.

But when you're a Celtics fan or, you know, anyone on the Celtics, like you win the NBA championship last year, so like they don't give a shit about just making it to the Eastern Conference finals and it does seem like it's quite the tall task for them to win another championship and go back to back without Tatum that's just that's a big part of the offense a big part of the team that you're gonna have to try to replace but I do think they will probably get it done tonight and then you know ultimately the Knicks will close them out we are not basketball handicappers no okay we are not doing any of that I've been telling you since January that the Pacers are the best team in the NBA just strictly because I've been watching them and their record has been the best But this feels like in sports when something's not supposed to happen, it happens.

Like this just feels like through our history of gobbling on both our sport of football and random sports in the offseason, when you feel like there's no chance.

Now, the Celtics being favored by four and a half kind of tells us that the books thinking the same thing.

But in my eyes, this seems to set up for a Celtics win just because it would be unexpected.

Now, let's go to one half of the hammer.

Down Cowboys AP Tone.

I say all that while also understanding that this team in the fourth quarter is the best team in the league with what they have to do.

They've been unbelievable in the fourth quarter, and Brunson has obviously been unbelievable in the fourth quarter.

But, like, let's take a look at Jalen Brown.

I believe he was the MVP of the finals last year.

Drew Holiday and Derek White were both on Team USA this summer.

Christoph Sporzingas is still there.

Al Horford is still there.

The Cubbers are not bare in Boston.

Now,

the Knicks are minus 600 to win the series.

Obviously, not favorites tonight, but I think there's definitely a world that we live in where this series is not over.

Yeah, I saw a lot of Knicks fans just being like, yeah, we'll see you there.

We'll see you there.

It's like,

just like whenever everybody's saying the Pacers are going to get past the Cavs, it's like, maybe, like, this is best of seven for a reason.

Crazier things have happened.

Don't think it's possible with the way this Knicks team is built for them to overlook anybody or kind of lay an egg, but there's a chance that it happens.

And that's why, you know, this association, best of seven playoffs has been so electrifying.

Yeah, it's been awesome.

Look, we're not some rinky dink operation, okay?

This is a Boston Celtics we're talking about, so sure, a game five.

How much you guys sell for this year?

$6 billion, which got left off of some people's evaluations of teams, which, again, everyone's bullshit and everyone sucks.

So I don't care.

I'm looking forward to the broadcast on TNT tonight.

I think it's going to be a start-to-finish masterclass just because there's a lot to talk about.

But like I was just about to say,

we're the Boston Celtics, okay?

I understand some teams just want to get to the Eastern Conference finals.

And in this situation, we have now fallen into that category as a team that would be, you know, happy to advance.

But we're about banners, okay?

We have the most banners in NBA history for a reason.

We only are playing for banners.

We don't give a shit about beating the Knicks in the round two.

We don't give a shit about beating the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals.

We give a shit about winning this trophy right here, Larry O.B., which I thought was interesting.

They got a fake one at the PGA championship because the real one's sitting right here next to me.

So I mean, it's cool.

It would be a great story.

I'm excited to watch the game tonight.

I'm excited to watch jalen and you know derrick white and drew and support my boys but again without my boy jason tatum who leads the team in points assists rebounds and i believe minutes it's going to be hard to get me to think yeah we're going to be able to go and raise banner 19 without him but i can also see jalen brown saying we did this one for jason this banner's for tatum this one's For Jason.

Bingo.

Joining us now is a man who's in an attic in Ohio.

I'll be excited to get his thoughts on all of this and anything else that he's maybe stewing on because that's what this guy does.

He does.

He stews on stuff.

He does.

He's a college football national champion.

He's a Super Bowl champion.

He's a Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J.

Hawkins.

What are you stewing on, AJ?

Is it the fact that they said that Tyree East was the most overrated player in the league and now they're in the Eastern Conference Finals?

Or what's really, you know, driving you wild right now in the sports world?

Well, yeah, you know, I do sit and stew on things, so I appreciate you letting me get that out.

When you guys are talking about this Celtics Knicks game, I feel like either the Celtics find a way to win this thing or they get routed or they get blown out and it's over like halfway through the third.

That's what I view this game tonight as.

So the interesting thing about that is a lot of these games in the NBA playoffs have been blowouts at one point during the game.

And then, granted, Pacers lose by 40, Knicks lost by 30 or whatever it was in the game three whenever they were up 2-0.

So like there was a couple games that have been blowouts.

I understand that.

But in the fourth quarter, all these games have basically come back to within reach.

Game of runs, it's definitely a game of runs always.

You're right.

I mean, a 20-point lead is that's nothing last night seven minutes to go.

Yeah,

last night, and it's happened again against the Pacers a couple weeks ago.

And then I think the Nuggets were down

at one point, and then they were able to come back.

It's been like, it's been on a very regular basis, almost like, remember football.

A 14-point lead in football, like five years ago, was like, ball again.

You're in a good spot.

Insurmountable.

Yeah, you can't come back.

If it's halfway through the third or later, it's like,

oh no, this one, we're going to start bringing out trick plays like we're gonna start trying to figure this out now like 17 points even like 20 points in the nfl is attainable pretty quickly with how explosive things have gotten it's not just the nfl obviously where people have gotten more talented on offensive side of ball basketball as well i mean there's like 19 two runs that happen out of nowhere and for some reason i know statisticians can't find it in their souls to believe in it but Once one falls for a team and then a crowd starts building, it feels like that next one, there's a a little bit more surface area on that hoop.

And whenever these runs start happening, especially at home for these teams, it is electrifying.

And if you're on the other side, you just got to be got to be holding on for dear life and just hoping that a foul comes or you make a big shot.

And that's the thing about this Pacers team, what I've liked about them.

And I think probably Knicks fans will say the same thing.

When the Cavs would go on a run and it felt like they were getting their momentum, like the Pacers, in the face of their fans and momentum, they would knock down a massive shot.

And it's like, boom, right there.

You just put everything to sleep.

But if you miss a couple of those, that thing's going the other way rapidly.

And that's what the story of this playoffs has been for the NBA, in my eyes.

Yeah, I mean, last night, the Pacers, like when they were down 20, you know, I was getting to the point where I was almost like, all right, I'm going to, you know, flip channels and I'll check back in during the next game.

And then Tyrese hits a couple threes.

Like they, they cut that 20-point lead to, you know, nine, like, in under a minute, you know, so it's like how quickly things can happen is is crazy and again i said this a couple weeks ago like that's what i think the biggest difference between playoff basketball and regular season basketball is is we see those blowouts in the regular season like teams will kind of whether it's load management or whatever yeah exactly teams will be like okay we're down 20 in the third quarter like it's not our night we got another game tomorrow the next game in in the playoffs like that that's not the case at all and when we will see these leads more often than not you know get cut down and and games are coming down to the last couple possessions in most of the playoffs which is why the celtics have been losing yeah exactly because the knicks in the fourth quarter they've been knocking down the shots and the celtics haven't no matter what happens in the first three quarters it's always coming down to like the final four minutes i went to sleep last night pretty late in that game nuggets were up it's like nuggets are going to win this game congrats to joker he's kind of shut everybody up everybody's been talking shit on him and i wake up in the morning it's like they missed three shots and oklahoma city made three shots and then they made their free throws over you lose the game it's out of reach now all of a sudden it's like i um i've been impressed with this year's NBA playoffs.

Yeah, the stat everyone's talking about with the Knicks Celtics is the Knicks have only led for like 24 minutes and 50 seconds in the entire series, and obviously it's 3-1.

But I feel like tonight will be either a Celtics, you know, shoot 30%

from the field and get killed, or they make 33-pointers and are just absolutely rolling.

I will be excited to see if Tatum's there, you know, a quick couple days after an operation.

Maybe he's up in a suite with his leg kicked up, and people are going nuts for him, and it's a hell of an atmosphere.

Or maybe the Knicks just say, you know what, it's been a good run, but it's MSG season, baby.

We got home court advantage if we beat these Celtics.

Let's just get it done in five and we don't have to worry about anybody getting, you know, tired in this next series here.

Yeah, and the story of the Knicks Pacers last year was the Knicks got hurt, ran out of gas, and the Pacers ran them off the court and went into Madison Square Garden and did it, did some gardening.

Yeah, exactly.

They did.

Did some gardening.

I remember that.

And it's become a great rivalry, I think, personally.

The Knicks and the Pacers already with a a young crew.

Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Cowboys AP Tone.

Yeah, something you guys were talking about there as far as second half comebacks.

Now, this is not coming back to win, but teams that trail at half are now 70% against the second half spread in this year's NBA playoffs.

They've covered 10 in a row.

So if you were to take the team that was down second half spread, they have covered 10 in a row in this NBA playoffs.

Good for them.

Yeah.

Good for those teams.

Good for the betters too.

Backdoor, backdoor, backdoor, backdoor.

Yes.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is not an NBA NBA player.

He's actually a Pro Bowl NFLer.

I think he's been to the Pro Bowl four times, if Connor's math was right here on this particular sheet.

He's also a guy, I think he owns a race team or a drifting team.

You already snow, ladies and gentlemen, tackle for the Buffalo Bills, Deion Dawkins.

You already snow.

Yep, you already snow, baby.

How you doing?

What up, man?

Hey, how have you been?

How's the offseason been?

I saw you promoting the NLL Buffalo Bandits, the NLL lacrosse team up there.

How's that going?

Are you a fan of the team?

Yeah, I'm a fan of sports, bro.

I like sports.

I like people that compete.

Anybody that can get on the big stage and perform under lights is cool.

You know, I've been at all the WWE events.

I've been all over the place, bro.

I enjoy it.

I enjoy being at events.

And I enjoy spectating.

It's pretty cool.

Yeah, I enjoy watching people do their thing, you know, because we understand how much work has been put in beforehand to get to that moment.

Now, let's talk about the work that beforehand to get get to the moment.

What does the offseason look like for you, Dion?

When does everything get started for the Buffalo?

Oh, we're driving.

We're driving right now.

We're driving, bro.

Yeah, and we're driving.

We're driving.

Now, that's what my offseason looks like.

But you know, it's OTAs now.

So bouncing back and forth from Buffalo to Florida to Atlanta to...

Virginia this weekend, but I come, I work out for four days a week and then Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, I'm probably drifting my drift car and enjoying the family.

I'm trying to just balance it all and it's been a good balance, but you know, I try to just have fun, bro.

Like life is short.

I've been seeing that stuff is happening in the world, bro.

Do what you like to do.

Man, I like to wrestle.

I like to play.

I like to have fun.

I like to do drifting and I'm going to spend them tires, dog.

I've been following along on Instagram and watching you drift.

I mean, he's...

We're real.

Hey,

we are professional.

It's a real thing, Pat.

It is a real thing, bro.

And I'm telling you, I know that everybody wants a piece of Pat, but but I'm telling you, if you want to experience something that you have never experienced before of a thrill and a rush, get in a drift card with Schnow.

Please just get in a drift card with Schnow.

It's one of those things that you don't even know exists until you get in it.

You're like, bro, why have I not been doing this my whole freaking life?

Yeah,

I have a Mustang, 650 ponies going through the back two wheels.

Yeah, I've done some drifting in my day.

I've done some drifting in my day.

That is insane.

I actually have a, I have a Mustang being built right now from Justin Pollock, who is an FD driver, and it is a Mustang.

Roush is the sponsor, and Roush is donating all the supercharger and all the stuff.

And I agree.

The 650 horse powers is beautiful, but you know what you're doing if you're talking that type of number in the horse range.

Well, I did know what I was doing.

I took that Shelby, okay, and I was very comfortable.

Okay, I'm fluttering with the clutch.

I'm fluttering with the clutch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm working this thing.

And I got too confident, I think.

So I have a little, at one of my houses, I have a little roundabout in front of the house, you know, a little circle.

You know, super successful.

Super successful.

And

yeah, it was cool to have that.

Very cool to have that.

Yeah, super cool.

Until it's not.

So I,

you know, had the wife in the car.

First time having the Shelby.

Tripping.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Don't do that.

You'll scare them to death, Pat.

Well, almost kill them, too.

So

it was the first time I had Shelby out in like two years.

I hadn't had it out in a while.

You know, just was excited about it.

I was like, oh, I'm going to drift this thing around my driveway, you know, because I can...

Okay, I feel pretty comfortable with it.

Okay, been driving, you know, manual, been driving sticks since like 16, learned how to do it.

Been floating gears a long time, brother.

You know, dad driver the whole thing.

Like, I thought it was really good.

Start trip.

Pull that e-brake.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Pothole.

Go crazy.

Pull the e-brake.

All you hear is the little guy on your shoulder go, woo!

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, what I heard was pothole, pothole, back right wheel hits pothole.

Oh, that's nah, yeah.

True.

Truth of the truth.

Yeah, yeah.

Into a tree.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Boom.

Yeah.

Shelby had to go shop bear.

And the wife at the time, girlfriend, not the most impressed I learned quickly.

And yeah, it was a wild time.

So that's the last time I drifted a car.

But with that being said, would love to sit passenger while you are snowing me around the damn drift course.

Hey, Pat, like, where we drift at, like, up here in Buffalo, it's a it's an open black top.

So we don't have no potholes, it's all flat, it's all open, and then we go in between but the buildings.

And that's maybe the only part where you can get a little iffy.

But besides that, it's all a complete black top.

But I want to ask you something, Pat.

I don't ever like want to hijack, but bro, can you tell me about Backlash, please?

I watched.

I am a fan.

I love it.

I was rooting for you.

I was like, please kick Gunther's ass.

I freaking love it.

You are a freaking stud, bro.

Thank you.

You are a freaking

black and blue.

Bro, I'm telling you, bro,

it is the real deal, bro.

New bruise.

First of all, new bruise.

I had no idea.

Well, first of all, I knew that you wrestled and that you had a history of wrestling and you were actually a wrestler for years.

But, bro, the backflip off the top turnbuckle, I'm telling you, bro, people don't understand the athletic ability to be able to do that and then land and then about to get suplexed and then come out the suplex with the Jordan 11s on.

Yeah, it's crazy.

You already snow, brother.

You already snowbear, brother.

Yeah, I appreciate you doing that.

And

yeah, I mean, I was trying to get him with the one, two, three kids moonsault there.

He obviously ring general moves out of the way.

Here, I'm like, well, he just German suplexed me two times.

Legs give out from underneath me there.

Okay, was trying to land on his feet.

And right here, oh my god, this is it.

Big punch.

Kick his head.

Boom!

Boom!

Gunther's done.

One.

Nope.

Yeah.

And then he tried to choke you out.

And they're like, come on, bro.

He didn't try to.

Come on.

Yeah, he did.

He did.

I had to take a stand, you know, yeah.

Boom!

Boom!

Yeah, boom!

Yeah, right there.

I think he was worried.

The gut of Goonther.

Yeah, Gunther didn't take it anymore.

I thought I had him, bro.

I was thinking sidewalk slam.

I was trying to remember what other people would do.

Man, you should have done a Swanton ball off the top turnbuckle.

So the Swantoni Bombini was certainly something I was thinking about trying to add in there.

i do a little grazi karati up there uh it was obviously um it wasn't a fun experience for me for cole it was worse i think yeah than it was for me because cole felt terrible about the entire thing that was happening because he put us into that entire situation it was his fault i was in there but it was uh obviously when you're about six minutes into that thing seven minutes into that thing

You already snow.

Yeah, we are blowing up in that entire thing.

But also,

it's a realization.

Oh, we're beating the shit out of each other in here.

That is what this is.

And it's quite a bam!

Smacked in the mouth.

You know what?

It was a lot of that.

It was awesome.

I think you would be great.

I think you would be great in there, too.

Yeah, I mean, I'm still bruised up pretty good.

I mean, I'm still.

Man, look.

But the next time you get to practicing, bro, let me know, man.

I will come and practice with you, dog.

I'm telling you, because next time, maybe tag team champions, dog, we can kick their ass, man.

We can kick their ass,

i think you would have been a phenomenal professional wrestler yeah if you big boot to the face jbl you know what i'm saying like the real you know saying clothesline from hell yeah clothesline from hell yeah you know i felt a couple of those this weekend i'll tell you what those are devastating those certainly are devastating and i don't know if that if it's directly from hell but it sure felt hell was coming with it

all right let's

let's talk a little football um for the buffalo beats what do you think is the thing that gets you guys over the hump?

I don't want to say over the hump, but you get it.

What do you think gets you guys to take the next step?

Obviously, elite team, elite program, elite vibes, it sounds like, in that building.

Culture, fantastic.

What do you think it is this year that maybe you guys either have or what do you think you talk about going into the year?

You know, I think just to keep it of what it is,

it's just the opportunity.

All we need is the opportunity again, and we'll see and what happens because we have everything that we have and we have everything that and we need but I think that the biggest thing is honestly just be able to get ourselves in a position to have the opportunity to take another swing out of it swing at it

that's it like we don't need another player we don't need another this another that we just need ourselves to just tone in on finishing and just having the opportunity and getting ourselves to be able to have the opportunity to go for it again because it's hard it's hard to get to that distance of a season but to be able to get there you know that's what it is but we have to be there to have another swing out of it.

And when we get there, it'll be special.

A lot of things have to go your way to get that far in the league.

A lot of things have to go your way.

A lot of luck has to happen.

A lot of balls have to bounce your way.

That's why what the Patriots were able to do for 20 years is just absolutely absurd.

But you guys as well, we've had a lot of success, obviously.

Haven't had the massive success that, you know, Chiefs, Eagles have had.

But being around is just a very difficult thing.

Excited to watch you guys break through.

Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah, Deion, as far as you personally, how is your, like, we're in the heart of your off-season workouts right now, everything you're doing with the team.

How has your off-seasons changed from when you first got in the league until now, like as far as physically and mentally, what you have to do to get ready for the season?

Yeah, man.

It's been like the older and but you get, you learn how to maintain and protect your body.

I think a lot of,

I mean, I don't want to cheat code it, but I do a lot of Pilates.

I do a lot of Pilates.

I do a lot of reform.

I do a lot of stretching.

And I rest.

I rest.

I rest when I can, but the lack of

rest can hurt.

I do a lot, but while I'm traveling, I sleep.

If I'm not at performing, I'm sleeping.

If I'm not doing something, I'm stretching.

Like, I think that that has been the biggest difference in my career is I do a lot of stretching with Pilates and I rest when I'm not performing.

And I do a lot, but when I can get a 15 minutes here, 20 like minutes there, those add up over time.

And I've trained in my body to be able to sleep sleep whenever I choose to.

And I think that that's what is beautiful about it because of moving around so much, you have to be able to just sit back and just turn the switch off.

And I've been doing that and that's been been great.

But and the mental part too is just understanding who I am and not cheating on myself and understanding that I'm not perfect and just

to be free.

Just try to be as free as possible and don't cause no extra added stress that is unnecessary.

Love your vibes.

Love everything about the way you approach life.

It is fantastic.

There needs to be more Deion Dawkins.

There won't because of how big, strong, fast, and athletic you are with this mindset.

It is absurd.

You said you can fall asleep.

So you can fall asleep like sitting up.

You can do all that stuff.

You're like, not standing up, but as I'm sitting here in this chair, yes, I can sit here and I can just work on my breathing and just breathe and breathe.

And then all of a sudden it'll be.

And that's like a military, and that's like a military like technique.

But like I've, I've listened and I've learned, but yeah, you know?

What is it?

Is it that in for

4812 or whatever it is?

Yes.

Is that what you do?

Yes.

It does work.

Okay.

It's like

it feels like it's a up, up, down, down, left, right for your body.

Like you.

It's a joystick, a grand theft auto cheat code type of thing.

Yeah, what is it?

You breathe in for a certain amount of time, you hold for a certain amount of time, you breathe out for a certain amount of time, then you have no air for a certain amount of time.

It's called like block or box or square.

Is it box breathing?

Box breathing or something like that?

Yeah, I uh whatever, but the name is, yeah.

Like, it's, it's, but it's literally all off of breathing.

Like, you have to just hold your breaths,

deep breaths in, and just kind of just slow your heart rate down.

Just slow it down, slow it down, and then you just.

Don't fall asleep.

Don't fall asleep, Dion.

We need you right now.

Yeah, don't, don't fall asleep.

Don't, Dion.

You already snow.

Wakey, wakey.

Wakey, wakey.

He's getting rest for the season.

He's going to have a good season.

He got to skull with two minutes or whatever.

All right, let's talk about the season.

Got some new teammates.

Go ahead, Con Man.

Yeah, Dion, big addition for you guys on the D-line was Joey Bosa.

Have you been able to talk to him?

Is that something you're looking forward to?

Just learning kind of his thoughts and tricks of the trade when it comes to, you know, dealing with certain pass rushers?

Yeah, so I've known Joey for a little while, but now that I get the opportunity to speak to him, our first conversation was real Joey-like.

He's definitely a football guy, but we talked about bunkers.

We talked about bunkers, and it was pretty cool, bro.

It was like, yeah, bro, I kind of just want a bunker just in case if anything happens.

And

that was the Joey Schnoe conversation.

It was about being out in the country and about bunkers, which is a very unique thing because I'm like black top, very in your face.

And it's like, yeah, I just want to go in a bunker.

And that's cool.

It's super cool.

But yeah, Joey is a great player.

He works out hard.

He's here.

He's present.

And as a teammate, knowing and receiving new teammates, the guys that choose to be present when he doesn't have to be because he's already at a certain level, I respect it.

Because like, you know, right?

Like he's had a contract.

He has his life.

He has his life and he doesn't have to be here yet.

But he understands that this is our motto to be present.

And being present and that he's just came in and grabbed on board, you know, I'm okay with it.

Like he gets my head nod and my thumb up, but I like Joey.

Thanks.

Bunker Joey.

And that bunker Joey, Joey Snowy conversation is one that certainly should be a Buffalo Bill social media thing, if possible.

Maybe go into a bunker and record it.

I've heard those are great times they're spent a lot of money on a big bunker from what I was reading

yeah who knows I don't want to get into it but I've heard the bunkers are

a pretty good idea and when you said life and then you doubled down and said life again I think you didn't want to out anything in his life like family friends houses he got but him picking up new city offseason coming up there to a place he doesn't know to showcase to be present I think that is a great sign of leadership and obviously that goes back to the culture you know that bean has built up there that obviously mcdermott has and you guys have all taken to a next level.

Ty has a question for you, Schneo.

Yeah, speaking of that culture and everything,

is it weird when you look at your team?

Obviously, the Super Bowl is the only goal, and that's what you guys are looking for, but you guys are kind of the elder statesman in the AFC East.

Now you look around, you know, there's two new head coaches.

There's a lot of stuff going on in Miami, you know, with different players maybe leaving and all that kind of stuff.

How hard is it?

I don't want to say like, you know, keeping the main thing, the main thing, obviously knowing that, hey, in order to, you know, win a Super Bowl and do what we want to do,

we need to win the division first, especially when now you have a couple of these teams who are going to be much different than what you guys have played over the last couple years.

Yeah, our first goal, you know, is we have to win our division.

Not that that's the easiest way in, but when you handle your division, then the rest takes care of itself, right?

Win the division, you get the opportunity to play in the playoffs.

Get the opportunity to to play in the playoffs, you get the opportunity to play for the championship.

So step one is one, be present, two, know your job, and three, you know, win the division.

And that is what we preach and that's where we're at every single year.

But, you know, winning the division is the first step of greatness.

And we're not, we seem to have that on lock, but like we do a good job of taking that first step.

But it's hard every single year.

Our division gets tougher.

These guys get better.

The Dolphins, the Jets, the like the Patriots, even like these guys play us hard.

Like, even if the records don't show it, these guys play us extremely, extremely hard.

And that's our toughest battles throughout this season until we get to the Chiefs and the Ravens and like all these juggernauts.

Colts, yeah, Colts.

Yep.

My guy, Kenny.

Yep.

Colts.

Thank you.

Yeah, Kenny.

Mad respect.

Kenny Moe.

Mad respect.

Mad respect for Kenny.

Mad respect for Kenny Moe.

Love Kenny Moe.

I wish we had.

It would be great to have Mo Kenny Moe.

Mo Kenny Moe.

You ain't that Mo Kenny Moe.

You already.

You already.

We could get a Bunker Joe.

That'd be great.

I think we do have a Bunker Joe.

I think we do have a Bunker Joe.

Mo Kenny Mose.

You had Bunker Joe.

What are you talking about?

What happened in Cleveland?

No, you're not.

You're talking about Joe Flacco.

Yeah, Bunker Joe Flacco.

That ain't Bunker Joe.

Yeah, Flacco.

Yeah, he was there.

Yeah, boom.

Yes, he was there.

No, geez, Louise.

He got Danny Joe.

Now he's got Danny Joe.

at least you got the Indy 500 you got the Indy 500 I'll be there you're coming out

is coming up

that was a super it's super dope I'll be there you're coming 85 you know the pacers are playing afterwards they got uh

i'm planning on i'm planning on being there

okay racing and pacing baby come on out we'll see oh wow yo look yo yo you're legit bro racing i didn't make it up i didn't make it out

do not give me credit do not give me credit there's other things

thank you there is other things that i have created that people do not give me enough credit for this is not one that I created, and we do not know.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

No, no, no, I did not know.

Yeah, you did.

No, you already know I did not.

You got it.

Trace it and pace it, pass.

All right, we'll get to it.

All right, I'll make sure.

Don't plan on doing

that much either.

AJ has a much, yeah.

So the Indy 500,

I don't know how much you're living.

I don't know what you're living like.

There's going to be a lot of opportunity to do a lot of boozing if that's what you're looking to do.

And I don't know if that's what you're in.

Yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of that.

A lot of that.

So, hey, know that Pacer game's coming, though.

That Pacer game's coming hours and hours and hours later.

So, I'll be excited to see you monitor your vibes throughout the entirety.

For sure.

They will.

I'll have my glasses on.

I promise.

You won't see my eyes.

Well, and also, I mean, in that snake fit, he could.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Catch a quick nap.

Catch a quick, catch a quick, catch a quick monster refresh.

Okay.

Go ahead, AJ.

Go ahead, AJ.

Yeah, Dion,

sorry, I don't know your exact sports background growing up and in high school, but I assumed you played basketball, ran track, baseball.

I assumed you're an athlete in everything.

Like, when you have, I think when you watch it, you see your feet.

Like, you have great feet, and I think that comes from a lot of times playing other sports as a young kid.

What sports did you play, and how important do you think that is?

I think it's the most important thing because I did everything.

And you're correct.

I played basketball, but because I grew up in Jersey, I never played on the high school team.

We played in Hoboken every single day during the basketball season.

We played every day in Hoboken.

I ran track and field.

I threw, I wrestled,

I bowled, and I swam.

But one of the biggest things that I do and still do now is I longboarded.

I have a longboard that I still have since I was young, and I used to longboard.

And that longboard helped me with my single foot balance and why my calves are the way and that they are is because I was always pushing and kicking and balancing.

But all of that definitely did work.

And then in college, I took tennis, which helped with my lateral movements.

And

I just just tried to do everything.

And sports is definitely why it creates the perfect type of character of player.

You know, like you just can't just do one thing, but you can.

Like, you can do one thing and you might get lucky.

But all the variety of sports definitely do play a big part of the sport and that you love, which is me.

In this case, it's football.

But it does definitely balance and help.

Swim.

Tennis.

Yep.

Yep.

Yes, bowling.

Longboarding.

And then let's talk about bowling.

You think bowling helped your lungs a little bit?

We had a bowling lane, a bowling alley that I hung out at growing up.

I didn't get good at bowling, but I was around there.

Billiards, I could probably do okay if we needed.

Cigarette smoke.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Do you think that built up the lungs, the cigarettes?

Man, the cigarette smoke definitely made your lungs extremely strong

because when you don't smoke the cigarettes, your body begins to form this defense of keeping it out.

Who knows?

I was definitely

in billiards.

Yeah, Pete Weber and other things, I think.

I mean, I'm not getting into it.

I'll let him tell his story.

Where were you?

Were you a two-handed wanderer from down under?

No,

that was elite bowling.

That two-handed stuff is elite.

I was the one-hand spin, but when you end your

goal, you end on that one leg, which is still balanced.

So it was still balancing and still helping everything, which it was fun, but it was also cool because I tightened up at my quad and everything.

But yeah, one hand spinner, and I would only put two fingers in and flick the rest.

And

what was the average?

What was the average?

Oh, I was really like a 180 guy, 175.

Like that was, that was like me.

Like on an average day, but you know, I get to the 205s, you know.

You know, the bigger the kick, the better the flick, they say, you know, whenever you go out like there, I didn't create that either.

I was a bowling thing.

Yeah.

See, look at the balance.

Look, your quad is activating right now.

If you stay there for 15 seconds, your quad is going to be on fire.

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2.

Yeah, that's burning.

Boy, but

I mean, no scores too.

Get out of the other one now.

Look at Akua said, my other leg, left leg I can balance on.

That's, you know, because I'm right-footed.

So

the balance all came from this one.

I have learned through my years, the right foot

not as

not as.

What a guy, bro.

What a guy.

Yeah, you're the guy.

All right, we appreciate you for joining us.

Enjoy the hell out of your life.

It seems like that's going to be definite.

You've earned all of this.

Can't wait to see where you're drifting this weekend.

We'll see you in Indy in a few weeks.

Yes, sir.

Much love as always, yo, but you guys are the truth, bro.

You already show the vibes.

You are.

Hey, let's make sure they don't screw you this year with the...

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

No, we already talking about it, man.

It ain't happening.

No flags.

No flags, man.

You know, we need to.

But you're bowling.

That's the bowling.

Big boys need an award.

Big boys need an award.

All right, Pat.

That's all I'm saying.

Big boys need an award.

We did give out an award this year, but we will try to push for the nfl to give one out as awards the nfl honors because that's real now are you going to go interior and then tackles or are you just going what is the goal

it's a unit it's anybody that plays ball center guard tackle you shall see we shall see but i'm telling you we and we working man

it's we're working all right This is what we're working.

This is what we gave out last year.

It was a trenchie.

We gave out the trenchies.

You were a finalist for the trenchies.

That's A.Q.

Shipley on top of that when he was at the Arizona Cardinals, weighing 360 pounds at 5'11.

And we put some Kevin Green hair on him just to show some respect, you know.

That is insane, bro.

Why is the stomach so big?

Look, the big guys can be swagged up too, man.

The big guys can be swagged up, too.

He did not edit the photo of his

trenchies.

Boy, that boy like a little Frenchie, man.

What's up with my father?

All right.

Laser just to deal, Doggin.

Thank you.

Thank you, Dion.

He's the greatest.

Why is he starving so big?

We were asking the same question.

It had to be.

As his friend at the time, I was asking him the same questions.

But

what's going on here?

Well, I'm playing fullback.

I'm playing

kickoff.

Push people around.

Yeah.

He was able to move at that weight.

And now that he's thinner, I'm happy he is putting weight back on, though.

Remember, he was on that big, long, I feel like he maybe thought to himself, like, when I retire, I'm going to become an iron man athlete or whatever.

Yeah, UFC fighter.

Yeah, whatever he was thinking, yeah, wrestling in billionaire basements or whatever.

And he got like too thin, too focused, like way too focused on the fitness thing.

He wasn't eating food, right?

Like he was miserable.

30 pills a day.

Yeah, it wasn't him either.

Like it was, it was him, but like...

He lost that edge.

And that edge came from being happy, you know, and like doing this entire thing.

So then, yeah, here's the actual photo that we took from.

We're not expecting him to look at it.

That's the real photo for real.

That's the real one?

Yes.

And we're not expecting him to look like this.

We're happy he does not look like this.

Oh, my God.

We'd like him to see.

He looks good.

I've never seen that before.

He's just a bad angle.

When you bend down like that, it's a bad angle.

Yeah, I mean, especially with how tight the football pants are.

Right.

Football pants are so tight.

Two bowling balls in his gut.

Yeah, maybe four if you really start doing the math and start looking at it a little closer.

But we don't want this.

None of us wanted this.

We were worried about him.

I'm worried just looking that he was like that at one point.

He's got kids.

He's got a family.

He's got a future.

Like this is not good.

This is not, we told him that.

Okay.

I would like to let everybody know friends of his at this time said, Bub,

this can't be tighten it up.

This can't be what it is.

He goes, oh, I know he's white jerseys.

You know, he gave a fool speech at the time.

So then when he retired, I think like all of us maybe in this exact moment telling him this, he like locked in like, when I retire, I'm going to become like super fit.

And we watched that for what, a year and a half after he retired.

It was like, all right, dude, I know this is partially my fault because of what I said whenever your fucking big gut was hanging out, but like, we don't need this.

This is not what we need.

That was crazy.

This is not what we need for the entirety of your existence.

So he's back to being an, I think he's normal.

But we,

myself,

AQ, I mean, I'm in the middle of it right now.

You're about one, two bad weeks away from like.

Running away with it.

Yeah.

You know, because I was heavy, keto, trying to lose weight against Gunther, you know?

And then I thought to myself, like four days before, I'm like, well, maybe I get some more padding on me actually, because he's going to bang hard in there.

I mean, it's going to be banging in there.

So now I'm like, all right, what do I have to prepare for?

Nothing.

Yeah.

So

I will take the French toast sticks from Burger King this morning.

Is five pieces enough?

I don't think so.

I'm six foot one, 240.

Sure.

Heading to 260.

So I did two of those this morning.

So then I had to look at myself in the mirror and be like, buddy, come on.

We don't need to do the full song and dance again.

Sure.

So, you know, I think AQ is doing the same thing.

And that's why what you do every day, so impressive.

White rice,

bare grilled chicken.

Yeah.

Yes.

Every meal, rest of life.

Nope.

Nope.

I'm not Orlofsky.

Dano really lives like that.

I am not that, but I'm very plain.

You know, I like food plain.

That's all.

Once again, forget everything he just said right there.

This guy eats white rice and bare plain, sorry, grilled

every meal.

Even whenever we present him with a very tempting offer.

Look at his pizza.

Look at his sandwich.

Look at his chocolate.

Have a donut.

His discipline is unbelievable.

AJ, your discipline's unbelievable.

It really is.

I don't know how you're able to do it.

I'm looking to do that for, you know, the rest of my being.

Today was a wake-up call whenever I had, I don't know, 6,000 calories over there for breakfast.

Give or take.

Yeah, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

AQ is the same way.

So we got to monitor it.

And we need some accountability buddies.

We need some accountability buddies too to say, hey, don't be so fat.

A lot of people tell me, I need to say that to you.

AQ looks amazing there from

the shipyard there.

Sure.

I wonder if they flushed the toilet since last year.

Oh, yeah.

A lot of people say that I, oh, that was in the hawkhouse.

A lot of people say, I'm not a good enough friend to you.

Connor's not a good enough friend to you.

They say tongue's not a good enough friend to you.

Why are they saying that?

Because they say you almost poop your pants way too often, and that should be talked about.

After we do, Ty?

I mean, not a whole lot.

I have a physical illness, a physical disability that I've had for a long time.

So, like, you know, when people say, hey, you should try taking probiotics, it's like, oh, wow, I never fucking thought of that.

You think I like doing this?

You think I like eating something very plain?

And then, like, yeah, two hours later, it's like, hey, sorry, I'm legitimately going to shit my pants if we, if I can't go right now.

You think it's fun just sitting there with like a stomachache?

It feels like you have a goddamn, you know, mortar shell inside your stomach.

No, it's not great.

It's not great.

But, you know, am I just going to eat a plain turkey sandwich from Subway for the rest of my life with nothing on it?

No, I'm not going to do that either.

So it's kind of.

Every once in a while, you need a little za.

You need some zah, okay?

At 10.30 a.m.

Exactly.

Or at 11 p.m.

You know, when you know eating it, hey, guess what?

Eating this and then piggybacking it with a 45-ounce coffee the next morning, you might have some, you might run into some issues.

Listen, everybody on this earth has a cross to bear.

That's my cross to bear.

You know, it's just something I got to deal with.

It's something I'm going to do.

So I don't ever think, hey, you need to be a better friend to me deciding what's going in my stomach.

I live with that, and I'm doing just fine.

This is from yesterday, obviously.

And you did make it, right?

Is what we're being?

I did make it.

It was a photo finish, but I did make it.

How come you didn't slide across the ring?

D-Buck wanted you to maybe

weigh in.

I considered it.

I had a pair of nice Lululemon slacks on.

I love those.

I wear those all the time.

If my stomach would have hit the

ring, I would have,

I mean, I would have fucking blown out the backside of my pants big time.

And I don't really, you know, doing that's one thing.

I don't really need to see a bunch of people on TV seeing me explosively shit my pants.

So that's why I decided not to dive into the ring.

I'll consider it next time.

I will.

I'll consider doing it next time.

Well said.

I don't mean to laugh in your face.

No, it's a laugh.

I'm laughing with you.

I've been dealing with this since I was 16.

But it's the greatest.

The thing that's the greatest about it is it does happen a lot on the show.

Yeah.

People don't even know, obviously, outside the show, think about how many times this potentially happens to Ty and how he feels this way.

But we'll watch what Ty's eating for breakfast and we'll all go, well, seems like there's about a nuke on deck.

It's coming.

Yeah, and I did appreciate, I got like some real messages from people that are like, somebody's got to be the adult and tell Ty that he needs to lock in here.

This is not how it's supposed to go.

You guys need a dietitian at the Thunderdome.

You need somebody to come in there and talk about nutrition.

Okay.

It's like, oh, I'm sure Ty will let you.

Would you like to

talk to him?

You got to bring a PowerPoint deck and show everybody how they should eat and how Ty should eat.

This guy's an adult.

He's got kids.

Yeah, we're in the business of telling other adult males, you know, how they should live their life.

Speaking of, Tony, we need you to start taking care of yourself a little bit.

If I choose to, I will.

Okay.

We have some breaking news out of the NFL before we turn to some breaking news from the MLB.

Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens have reached an agreement on a two-year $30 million extension that includes $25 million fully guaranteed over the next two seasons.

Per Todd France of A1 athletes first.

It is the largest deal in NFL history for a running back over 30 years old.

Okay, however, you qualify it for being a big deal.

Sweet running back position back.

And Derrick Henry, remember, he had that magical run with the Titans where he led them to the playoffs.

They're actually the team that kind of launched the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty because they had the lead, and then Chiefs come back and win.

Derrick Henry and Ryan Tannehill get paid in Tennessee.

Massive turnover happens.

He goes to Baltimore.

We all assume what a perfect fit, what a perfect match for a team and a culture.

And here we are a year later after a successful run, and that is the case.

Remember at the beginning of the season, Harbaugh said, We're not running a 30-year-old Derrick Henry 20 times a game.

Like, that is not how we're going to win.

Then, as the season went on, it was like,

Yeah, we are actually going to feed this guy.

He's a special athlete, and he takes care of himself.

He's committed to the profession, and what a perfect fit over there in Baltimore.

Congrats to Derrick Henry, King Henry, and also Baltimore, AJ.

He's one of those guys that's like the scariest type of guys to play against because obviously the guy is a physical freak.

He was born genetically like he's unbelievable, but then he has absolutely like maximized every single ounce of what that is.

When you hear about people that play with him, like his nutrition, his work ethic, everything he's doing.

Yeah, well, well-deserved.

And running back position, he is a big part of a reason of why I think the running back position has gotten some good shine over the last three, four, five years.

Yeah, and the running back position, although he backs him, go ahead, come on man.

Yeah, I think he was the only running back with you know 1,500 yards over the last five seasons to have multiple of them, and he's got like four of them.

But this was what Jimmy Seafood, John Minidopoulos, was talking about.

No, no, it wasn't.

The extension that was coming.

That's not his name.

What's the name?

No, John Minidopoulos.

They extended with the Ravens yesterday.

Yeah,

the Ravens and

Edgar Poe.

Oh.

Edgar Allen and Poe?

No, Edgar Poe, the bird, the basketball.

Yeah.

We knew that.

Yeah.

Congrats to Jimmy's and Edgar.

The Raven.

Yeah.

I think they just call him Edgar Poe.

I think they dropped the Allen.

Oh, see, I thought Edgar got hurt, and then Alan and Poe were the two reposes.

Oh, remember they broke his leg.

That one had his broken.

Do you remember the dancing too hard?

I forget how.

Kind of, I think so.

I think he blew it up.

I think his name is Just Poe.

Just Poe.

Okay, so Edgar.

No, No, there was.

Sorry, there's three of them.

There was Edgar, Alan, and Poe.

Yeah, and Edgar

after he broke the leg.

Yeah, exactly.

Which I don't like.

That's just, that's the business.

Alan had a bad attitude.

He's always squawking.

Yeah.

They all do.

Yeah, and then Poe now.

You know, AJ, that's kind of the...

Dude, Alan, I thought Alan or Poe may have, you know, the old, was it?

Who was the old ice care that blasted somebody in the knee with the Kerrigan?

Oh, Jeff Gerald.

Jeff Galluli.

Yeah, Galluli.

Yeah, Harding.

If you remember in 1999, Paul Walter Howard started the franchise, all three of them birthed from eggs on the football field.

That's not a lie.

I do remember that.

How else would Ravens?

Let's pivot away from the NFL.

Congrats to Derrick Henry and Poe signing back with Jimmy Sifu.

Three crab cakes for that bird.

That's probably a great move.

Huge.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has more information from the baseball world than anybody else we've ever spoken to.

He's a senior MLB insider at ESPN, and in my eyes, the voice of a generation for an entire sport.

Ladies and gentlemen, he talks about baseball for a living.

We try to limit that, but he's always great at it.

Jet passes.

How you doing?

Gentlemen, I have a question for you.

This is like a sincere baseball guy trying to understand football.

Derrick Henry is ridiculously good at his job.

He touches the ball three to four times as often as wide receivers.

Why is Jamar Chase making $40 million a year and Derrick Henry is guaranteed 12 and a half?

So there's always a stigma about the running backs that any play they can get hurt because there's a lot of contact, right?

Now, granted wide receivers have that opportunity as well wide receivers also normally bigger chunks whenever they're getting the rock especially if you're electrifying less electrifying uh wide receivers than they think running backs can be derrick henry an anomaly at the position but that is just kind of how the running back position has been viewed and i'll tell you what the running backs were pissed about it two years ago they should be they were two years ago there's almost like they have every right to be they almost created a union it was like they almost created a union and almost did like a holdout like legit this was a real thing two years ago Now Saquon signs a massive deal.

Derrick Henry just signs a massive deal.

I think they're coming back around, but to your point, the running backs were pissed about it just like two years ago.

I'm sorry, but they do not provide half the value of elite wide receivers.

It just seems like a clear market inefficiency in football.

That's all.

That's good journalism right there by you.

And now supply, demand, all that shit will get put into place, and I'm sure teams will have a reason.

Nonetheless, we're happy for Derrick Henry.

We agree.

Probably deserves much more money in our eyes.

If we were paying him, we would do that.

Let's talk about somebody or some buddies that deserve something and potentially have the possibility to do it.

Big news out of the MLB yesterday.

Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson are now allowed to be voted into the Hall of Fame.

I assume that all the super baseball purist nerds and journalists who are the ones that are making all these decisions will hold all these things against Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson, even though they're available to go into the Hall of Fame.

Or how do you expect this to go?

And what is the narrative now that Pete Rose has passed versus maybe when Pete Rose was still alive about him potentially getting into the Hall of Fame, Jet?

Pat, this is an incredibly complicated issue.

And let me start off just with what the process is going to look like.

If you don't make it into the Hall of Fame after your career as a player, you go to what's called the ERA committee.

And it's a group of 16 people comprised of former executives, Hall of Famers, as well as a few journalists.

And they they essentially get to decide on a group of players.

This past year, for example, Dave Parker and Dick Allen, two guys who have been overlooked by the writers, ended up getting voted in by the ERA committee.

With the case of Pete Rose, though, especially, it is just so complicated because you have all of these different elements of his legacy bumping into each other.

As a player, Pete Rose is unequivocally a Hall of Famer.

4,256 hits, the most in Major League Baseball history, 20 plus seasons of just incredible baseball he was you know an otherworldly baseball player he also broke the cardinal sin of baseball, which is do not gamble on games in which you are involved.

Did so as a player and a manager as well.

Was accused of statutory rape of a girl who, in a sworn statement, said she was 14 or 15 at the time when she had sex with Pete Rose.

His retort to that was, I thought she was 16.

The interesting thing, though, is going to be Major League Baseball and the Hall of Fame has a character clause.

You know, you look at the players who are voted into the Hall of Fame, and it tends to be just based on numbers.

But one of the elements that people who are voting are supposed to consider is the character of the person involved.

And because it is such a small group of people, Pat, who are voting for this, all it takes is five no's.

You have to get 75% to get in through the ERA committee.

All it takes is five people who think that

what Pete Rose's moral objectionability was should keep him out of the Hall of Fame.

And he's never gotten the chance to get voted in.

This is going to be his first chance in December 2027 when the ERA committee meets next.

Okay, so obviously all those things that were being held against him for a long time are notable and make a lot of sense.

But whenever you talk about artist art, that's kind of like the conversation, right?

Because whenever it comes to the sport itself, it's like Pete Rose is, Hembo sent over, and Hembo is not for Pete Rose going in.

I actually asked you about that.

I'm like, hey, do all you baseball purist people feel the same way that Hembo feels, which is like Pete Rose doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, nor does Shoeless Joe Jackson.

We'll get to Shoeless Joe Jackson here in a second because interesting story in 1919 about the potential mafia of what it was like, what the rules were, and everything like that.

And a man who was actually illiterate, I believe is what we learned into there or leaned about.

But like the stats for Pete Rose as a baseball player, like.

Yeah.

Insane, right?

I mean, all-time leader in hits, obviously, games played, played appearances and at-bats, three World Series titles.

I think he was only on two losing teams in like 21 years or something like that.

His teams are 500 games over 500 whenever he was playing.

The success rate that he had in the playoffs versus the regular season was higher.

Whenever you're talking about seventh inning or later, you're talking about a guy who performed better than anybody at the plate.

It's like in the clutch time, he played his best ball.

He won a lot, but he obviously added some ammo into people that were against him on a regular basis.

I think a lot of people that are fans of the sport are like, hey, the best hitter of all time deserves to go in the Hall of Fame.

And I think what people say is you can't tell the story of baseball without Pete Rose.

That is kind of always the angle.

So maybe that'll get settled.

Go ahead.

Let's go to shoeless Joe Jackson now, shall we?

That's the Black Sox scandal, I do believe, of 1919.

He was a part of it, where

from my understanding, this is just how it was recanted to me, and we tried to do some research over like the last 12 hours or whatever since this has all been announced.

Mafia gets a hold of team, pretty much, sounds like.

I think it was like seven guys on a team or something like that.

It wasn't just Shoeless Joe Jackson.

There was a lot of

eight guys on the team.

Nine guys on the field, right?

Okay, so Mafia gets a hold of team, and they end up whatever, colluding and throwing the World Series is how the story is portrayed.

In a trial, they were acquitted, right, of this all.

Yes.

But everybody from the era says, no, they all admitted to it.

Anyways, it was the trial was different than what actually was the case.

So this is gambling on the game as well, but at a much broader stage in a negative light.

Pete Rose allegedly was only betting on his teams to win and perform well.

The Black Sox scandal has always been brought up because they were working against their team to lose this entire thing.

1919 is a long time ago.

It's a much different era.

What the mafia was potentially able to do and say, and what narrative is real, what narrative is not from them is tough in 2025, not only for this story, but most stories.

How does this end up working out, you think, for Shulas Joe Jackson?

And what is kind of the overall thoughts on him and the Hall of Fame conversation in general?

Unlike Pete Rose, Pat, Shulas Joe Jackson actually was on the Hall of Fame ballot.

He was on twice.

And the first time in the 1930s, I believe he he got two out of 226 votes.

And the second time he was on in the 1940s, he got two out of 200 some odd votes.

So, you know, the writers back then had the opportunity to induct shoeless Joe Jackson and said, absolutely not.

But I, you know, all of this to me, it's really interesting because it's so much of a modern story and what is acceptable now or what we have grown to accept as a society.

And, you know, mainly like gambling is an enormous part of sports in 2025.

It has been not just accepted, but embraced, commodified.

Sports are going out and making money hand over fist through gambling companies.

And Major League Baseball, for the longest time, tried to stay away from gambling, didn't move to Las Vegas because of ties to gambling.

Whoa.

And Joe Jackson may have a chance because societal norms have changed and attitudes toward gambling have changed.

Is it as grievous a sin as it once was?

Unquestionably, it's not perceived to be that way.

But it's going to be super interesting when this committee gets together.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in that room, Pat,

to hear what the arguments are from the people who are in that room because the ERA committee tends to be comprised of people who are older, you know, retired general managers and presidents of baseball operations, Hall of Famers who are in their 60s and 70s and grew up in the game, hearing there is one thing in baseball you cannot do, and that is gamble on the game.

And writers who are either retired or toward the end of their careers.

So you have a group of people who may look at what the societal norms are like right now and reject them.

Like it is a secret vote and a secret ballot as well.

So we will never know who voted for what.

I don't think it is a fait accompli that Pete Rose is going to be elected to the Hall of Fame in December 2027 for induction in summer 2028.

I don't think that's a guarantee at all.

It's just a possibility now.

And when Fawn Rose, Pete's daughter, went and met with Rob Manford in December, that's all that they were looking for, I think.

They just wanted the chance.

And Pete himself had said in the past, past, you know, when I'm six feet under, I don't give a damn if I get voted into the Hall of Fame or not.

But clearly, it's an important thing to his family.

And that's part of what Rob Manford heard during his meeting with Fawn Rose.

Give him an opportunity to see if they want to vote him in.

Sounds like potentially not the first time, but maybe in the future.

We will be off Thursday, Friday due to the PGA Championship.

We will see you back here on ESPN on Overreaction Monday.

Have the greatest four days of your life.

Okay, let's continue to talk baseball here as we still

continue digitally here, which is, it sounds like the big hope for ESPN to make the jump to in the future.

We've We've been doing it for a while now.

You know,

open door policy on if have any questions.

So

whatever you think about.

Gambling, too.

Yeah, all these things.

I mean, there's a lot of things.

Obviously, we're just a bunch of doofuses.

We get it.

But as we continue here digitally on this glorious Wednesday, what did you say, fait accompli?

Fait accompli.

Which means like a foregone conclusion or a certainty that he goes into.

Oh, Patrick.

Yes, context clues.

Look at your ball knowledge here.

Love it.

Yeah, context clues.

Brother never read a book, so I've had to always kind of pick up what the hell smart people are saying around me by what else is going on.

But it sounds like the Rose family, obviously, wouldn't mind seeing their father get honored for how good he could hit a baseball and play baseball.

And then Shoeless Joe Jackson, that's got to be what, great-grandkids now?

Yeah, they might not even have a bad thing.

It's got to be like a great, great.

1919, you talk about all the things, societal norms now when it comes to gambling and everything like that.

How about what we know now about what the mafia did and how they treated people and like the things they would say to people to get things done allegedly built this country

in some cases in some cases and i think rock and roll was another big part of it i don't think the mafia utilized rock and roll as much maybe but i do know rock and roll was a part of building it but it's like the documentaries we've watched now on how the mafia used to operate and how they used to be able to go about getting things accomplished it's like if that team was told like which very easily could have happened in Chicago, I mean, from everything that we've learned, like, hey, you either do this or like, and even giving an example of something, you would hope that there would at least be a little bit of a conversation, at least a little bit of empathy for what potentially was happening at the time.

But I'm not a voter, never will be, thank God.

Good luck to all of them.

Let's talk about the current state of baseball, shall we?

Connor has a question for you, Jet.

Yeah, Jet, five walk-offs yesterday, three walk-off homers, Isaac Parides, hope I'm saying that right.

Tatis Jr., and then one I saw you tweeting about Javi Baez for the Tigers.

Trey Sweeney tied it up in extras, and then Baez hit his second three-run homer, I believe, of the game to win.

How big of a surprise is this Tigers team?

Not just Baez, but are you surprised by the Tigers being the number one team in baseball when it comes to record?

What is the Javi Baez story?

And are they peaking too?

early or is this one of those things where, hey, the Tigers can keep this rolling for the entire season?

Connor, I was talking with somebody yesterday about just how good the Tigers can be.

And I picked them to win the American League Central this year.

So I'm not surprised that they are a good team.

I'm surprised that they're scoring enough runs because I was looking at them as like a team that was going to be led by its pitching and going to be led by A.J.

Hinch, who manages the bullpen just about as well as anyone.

But getting production from Javier Baez is something that absolutely nobody expected.

Like, let's remember when Javi Baez came up, he was an absolute wonder kid.

Like, the smoothest shortstop you're ever going to see.

Like, he made tags look cool.

That's how smooth he was out there.

But,

you know, he always had swing and miss issues, got out of shape, signed for six years at $140 million with the Tigers and had provided negative value.

It was at the point where there were questions like, how long is it going to be until Javier Baez gets cut by the Tigers?

And they just, you know, sunk cost at this point.

Let's get rid of him and use the roster spot.

But he got into good shape this offseason and good enough where he's playing some center field now after being an infielder his entire career.

And the resurgence of the bat is really the shocking thing.

Even, you know, when he was a little bit overweight and not looking quite as good physically, defensively, he was still pretty good.

But he just has this propensity to swing and miss a lot.

And he does not have good plate discipline.

And if you're not making contact, you're not going to be able to hit the ball well.

Like, it's a pretty simple thing.

Now, that was just a bad pitch.

Just

slide or left over right in the middle of the plate, but he took advantage of it.

And that's what he's doing.

He is hitting mistakes this season.

And I think you're going to see a lot more pitchers just start working outside with him

because

he is the guy who will swing and pitch two feet off the plate.

But

Javier Baez is beloved by Cubs fans for what he did in the the 2016 championship.

And, you know, Tigers fans are learning to love him a little bit after a couple of really rough years.

Three walk-off homers, ding-dongs last night.

Obviously, that's great for the sport.

We have been enjoying it more than I think any year in the past, Jet.

You will be proud of us.

We talk about baseball more and on a more regular basis than ever.

And that's because

I think what's happened in New York is potentially historic.

Go ahead, Ty.

Yeah, Jet, do you think, I mean, is there any way Aaron Judge can can sustain the pace he's on?

I mean, I don't think anyone thinks he's actually going to hit 400, but when you look at the Yankees, obviously Paul Goldschmidt's been very good.

He's got the second highest batting average in the AL.

And Trent Grisham has been one of the, you know, best surprises, I think, not only to Yankees fans, but just the MLB in general.

But with the, I mean, it's kind of, they go as Judge goes, the Yankees do.

Like, do you think he can sustain the type of pace that he's been on for the next several months?

Or how do you see that kind of working out out for the Yankees?

This is the best version of Aaron Judge that we have ever seen, which is saying something for a guy who hit 62 home runs back in 2022 and who hit 58 home runs last year and who had the opportunity to win three MVPs in four seasons.

His strikeout rate tie is down to under 21%.

He's hitting 410 right now.

That's not going to be sustainable.

You know, his average on balls in play at this point is 481, 81,

whereas his career average on balls in play is a little bit closer to 350.

So we're going to see the batting average go down.

I don't think Aaron Judge is a candidate to hit 400 and maybe not even be a guy who's going to hit 350, but the power is still there despite having more patience and despite making more contact.

And very rarely do you see a guy who maintains the kind of juice that he's got while lowering his strikeout rate.

We've seen it with Pete Alonzo this year too.

It's the mark of a good hitter.

And Aaron Judge is not just a good hitter.

He is the best hitter in baseball right now.

There is not a close second

and he is putting up some of the best seasons we've seen all time.

Now, this year, if Aaron Judge finishes with 11-plus wins above replacement, he's going to be the third player in baseball history to do that three times in four years.

The other two are Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds.

Pretty good company to be keeping.

Yeah, I'd say.

And he's bombing balls, too.

It's not just like he's hitting for average whenever Aaron Judge.

When he's connecting on these things, because he's such a goliath.

Yeah, he doesn't hit any cheapies.

The balls are gone.

That has to be explosive baseball for the Yankees fans to be watching.

Obviously, good in that market.

There's another market that's gigantic with a superstar.

Go ahead, Todd.

Yeah, Jet Shohei, another guy who over his last 10, he's been on an absolute tear.

He's really starting to come into form.

We've talked about this with you a couple of times in terms of him potentially pitching.

Obviously, Roki Sasaki, the guy they signed this year out of japan he's going uh on the il for a little bit and we we continually see the videos of shohei you know throwing off the bump and and doing some bullpen sessions do you think with the uh the dodgers starting pitching starting to get banged up a little bit that there's a chance we're going to see shohei pitch maybe sometime sooner than later

nope I don't think the Dodgers give a damn about right now.

And it's a weird thing to hear, right?

Like,

you know, a bunch of guys going down with injuries.

Don't they want to bring him?

No, they don't because the Dodgers care about one thing, and that's October.

That's when they want Shohei Otani healthy.

And what they're trying not to do is allow any concerns right now to get in the way of their ultimate goal, which takes discipline and which very few teams guys,

if any, have the luxury that the Dodgers do.

But part of this luxury is also that they are really good at developing starting pitchers.

And they have like a room full of guys, whether it's in the bullpen or down at AAA, who can be capable fill-ins.

I understand that there is a temptation to want Shohei Otani to come back right now because we've seen him on the mound.

He's awesome on the mound.

Like he's going to be really good when he comes back.

But at the end of the day, they are more concerned with having the best rotation that they can for the postseason and not trying to rush guys back at all

because they figured, hey, we're going to be a playoff team.

We're going to win enough games during the regular season to make the postseason.

And then in the postseason, you can see what the Death Star really looks like.

Do you think, so there's no concern either with how good the NL West has been to start the year?

I mean, they have, you know, four of the best teams in baseball already.

Totally agree.

No concern whatsoever.

And look, maybe that's misguided.

Maybe that's misplaced.

But in spite of all of the injuries that they've had so far, the Dodgers are still at the top of the National League quest.

Shohei's got a little bit more sauce this year, a little bit more comfortable in who he is.

Is that accurate or no?

I don't think we're ever going to really see who Shohei Otani is publicly.

Right here, right here, right here.

Did we see it right here whenever he answered the bat flip to that guy?

Yeah,

you know what?

I think that's a fair way to put it.

And here's Lord of Scuriel looking down, chucking it up, doing the airplane.

I think that Shohei Otani did that for his teammates.

And, you know, you spend enough time in a clubhouse, you win enough with people, and maybe you do become a little bit more like them.

Maybe you do,

you know, let it eat a little bit, to use a baseball term.

But no, I don't think we're going to be seeing Shohei Otani doing cartwheels around the bases anytime soon.

I bet he could do them, though.

Oh, yeah.

Did you see that backflipping?

Did you see that New Japan wrestler?

Yes, awful.

Oh, yeah.

I bet you, I bet you.

All the way up the ramp.

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

How about he hits his head off the top rope there?

He was probably

very, yeah.

I mean, that is.

That was impressive.

That's half an inch away from being catastrophic there.

I wonder if as he hits his head while he's doing that back handsbreak, he's like, oh, no, I completely ruined this.

And it's watch, watch.

So obviously.

He's a big boy, too.

Yeah, he's thick.

Right there, he hits his head off the top rope.

It's like, damn, that's so close.

And now once he's chasing it, you're in trouble.

You better get out of the way.

I'm going to to keep doing this.

Bang.

Kick to the head.

That's unbelievable.

Yeah.

This guy needs to be, obviously, New Japan gigantic wrestling promotion and a historic promotion has created a lot of magical wrestling moments and also historic wrestlers as a whole, especially getting a chance to go over to Japan.

The way they hold professional wrestling in such high regard is such a beautiful thing.

But if we can get one of those in Mania.

Oh, man.

If we can get one of those.

If we can get one of those backhand spring Pele kick thing festival.

Long ramp.

Someone show Joe Hendry.

That's in a football stadium.

That's in a football stadium.

What'd you say?

Joe Hendry?

I said someone show that to Joe Hendry now.

Yeah, Joe needs to get working on that.

Joe needs to get working on that.

I wonder when his head hits that top rope, though, if there's a little bit of a, oh, I broke my neck.

And then he slept through, and it's like, all right, we got magic still.

Because that would scare the fuck out of me.

Just as somebody who...

has potentially slipped on the top.

I mean, his head hits the top rope there.

Maybe it was was part of it.

I mean, that's an unstoppable move, though.

You know, because once he gets rolling, especially if you're in his sights,

you got no shit.

I don't know.

That seems very stoppable.

Can't you just stand there and kick him when he's like

kick one of these arms?

What?

You ever see those things that

they hypnotize you with?

You know,

the little pendant deal.

Pocket pod?

Oh, what?

Yeah.

You're telling me you don't see that guy hit all those, you don't get kind of, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, kind of like it.

No, I stepped to the side and kicked his arm out.

Can't work.

No, Jed.

You've never been in the sky.

The only thing stopping that guy is a gun.

Yes.

Big gun.

That's probably right.

And it's going to be a multi-shooter.

It's going to have to be, you're going to need a few of those things because he's going to, what they don't show there is if you step to the side, like you're implying, so simple, Jen.

Geez, Louise, he'd actually, boom, on his hands.

Yep.

He can redirect that.

Turn that thing.

We only got to see it go straight because that guy was right in his sight.

If he was doing the alligator walk or the zigzag walk walk that we learned whenever the DC sniper was kind of out and about as a child, I think he would have been able to adapt that thing back and forth if he needed to.

You didn't let him showcase his trap.

Bang.

And he gets you a shin to the top of the head.

You're done.

And also his back hurts.

You know, I don't know.

He's selling his back there.

Exactly.

So he's just got kicked in the head, selling his back missile.

I mean, you got to time it right.

And either, you know, hopefully you can get his legs in the amount of time where you can hit a sharpshooter or a Boston crab.

Yeah, exactly.

That's really all you're looking for.

Yeah, you got to be like, Shohei.

Yeah.

You got to be a golden arms.

Yeah.

Yeah, not just one glove.

You need both of those.

That's right.

Yep.

We could try.

We should give that a go.

Debone.

Bone.

Need you to do the backhand spring party thing.

Need you to need a springboard backhand spring party.

Bill, catch him if he does it.

Yeah, Bill, you're the target at the end of this thing.

We'll get it figured out.

We'll get it worked out.

All right.

AJ has a question for you about pitching.

So Shohei's not going to pitch, is what you just said.

He's not going to to pitch right now.

He will pitch this year.

Yes.

Whoa.

Like playoffs or when?

This is purely a guess.

But I think in order to get him built back up, because let's remember, guys coming back from reconstructive elbow surgery, they will usually go down to the minor leagues to do, you know, four or five rehab starts just to get the feel of the mound back in games that don't count.

Shohei can't do that.

So it's going to be like right out there for him.

And

my guess in order to get him built up to start deep into the playoffs, it seems like August is probably the right time, but the Dodgers haven't said anything to this point.

So this is not...

This is not news.

This is informed speculation.

Okay, I like that out of you, though, because I think there for a while it was like, we don't think so.

There's no reason to do it now.

There's a chance we're going to see Shohei back on the bump.

Go and get it, Shohei.

Go on, Shohei.

Be 101, brother.

I can't wait to watch.

Go ahead, AJ.

Sorry, buddy.

Yeah, Jets, staying on the Dodgers.

I believe Clayton Kershaw is coming back Saturday and you know, for his 18th season.

What do you expect from him, and what do you think the Dodgers expect from him?

Clayton Kershaw's consistency, AJ, is just remarkable.

Like, the guy has legitimately never had a bad season.

And to play at that Hall of Fame caliber level, even when his stuff isn't what it used to be, even when

he mainly throws two pitches, his fastball and a slider.

And there are times when the separation of velocity is so small that it's tough to distinguish those two from each other.

And yet it still works for him.

And it works for him because he has always thrown the ball over the plate, never walks, guys, manages to get strikeouts still by getting swings and misses in the zone and having this exceptional command.

And, like, I'll be honest,

I was on the field with him after the Dodgers won the World Series last year.

And, you know, I've known Clayton since I met him when he was 19 and was in AA.

And I

went down to Alabama where he was playing a game.

And I wanted to write a story about what's it like to be like this prospect who can't miss.

Like, what are the pressure?

What's the expectation?

How do you rear a prospect properly?

And all he's done his entire career is prove that like he was ready for the moment.

And so this was like the perfect cap last year during during the World Series.

I was like, dude, you're done, right?

He's like, no, I think I want to come back.

And I give him a lot of credit.

Like the man's body hurts.

Like he has had back issues.

He has had arm issues.

And yet he understands.

Clayton's a smart guy.

He understands when you're an athlete, you get one chance.

You get one chance to have a career.

And once it's done, like you can never match that.

I mean, I'm talking to two people right now who understand that as well as anyone.

Like there is nothing like being out there on the field.

And I think he wants to keep that going as long as he can.

His kids are still young, and he wants them to have those moments and those opportunities to see what it's like when their dad looks like a superhero.

I understand that.

And

I respect that.

And I like the fact that, you know, you don't know how many more you got.

So if you're getting an opportunity to go again, why not take it?

You know, there's other people who have the idea of I'm going to go out on top and always think like people think and remember me at my absolute best.

I don't mind that either.

I'm a guy that retired after a Pro Bowl, you know, and I think a lot of people just assume for like the next five, six years, hey, you wanna, teams would reach out, hey, we remember you from five years ago being able to do your job.

You think you still got it?

It's like in my mind, I know I probably don't, but the last memory is good.

I think then some guys just, we're going to the wheels fall off.

And I respect both ideas and both theories because people have committed their entire lives to these sports.

It's not easy just to fucking turn the lights off.

Take from your career what you want from it.

And Clayton Kershaw was a guy who didn't grow up with a whole lot, you know,

single mom,

was raised in Highland Park, which is a very affluent area of Dallas.

He did not have a whole lot of money.

But Marianne Kershaw wanted to send him to great schools.

And so that's where they landed and

went to high school with Matt Stafford.

And both of them have had pretty incredible careers.

Pretty good ball throwers.

Pretty Pretty good ball throwers there.

Okay, speaking of good ball throwers, let's talk about one that's

representing the city of Pittsburgh and also

our great country.

Go ahead, Tom.

Yeah, more importantly, our great country.

Paul Skeens is going to play for Team USA.

He's finally going to get a chance to pitch for a team that has a chance to win.

How happy do you think he is doing this?

And I just want to throw a fact out there.

I don't know if you guys have known this yet.

19 straight games where the the Pirates have scored four or less runs.

That's never been done, I don't think.

Are we happy for Paul?

How happy do you think he is for this opportunity?

He's elated because Paul Skeens

might be the most actually patriotic ballplayer that I've ever met.

There are people who wear the flag and wave it, but Paul Skeens actually lived it.

He was going to be a fighter pilot.

He went to the Air Force Academy.

That man loves America.

And the opportunity to represent the United States, I think, is a big deal for him, but it's a bigger deal for the World Baseball Classic.

Because you guys remember, like, I came on the show last time the World Baseball Classic was around, and it was awesome.

Like, that tournament was phenomenal from start to finish.

But the thing that Team USA in particular has always been missing is top end starting pitchers.

It's held at the time of year when guys are still trying to ramp up and where guys, you know, like arm care is a really hard thing and you don't want to, you know, you don't want to get hurt in what essentially is an exhibition game.

But

the truth is, to Paul Skeens, these are going to be the most competitive games, as long as he's a Pittsburgh pirate, that he plays before he reaches free agency.

What's happening?

So we got him for, what, another six years or something in Pittsburgh?

And then, like, what is the reality?

What is the reality of this situation?

LSU is calling him America's Ace.

Obviously, he had great success in LSU.

Down in the Bayou, he found love and a championship.

And I think he figured out, you know, what he could possibly be as baseball player.

He comes here to Indianapolis.

This place filled up for him every single time he was on the mound.

We went and watched him the night before big night out in Pittsburgh.

There was 2,200 people in the stands.

And I know Paul Skeens has to be a professional.

And he has to go out and do his job.

It's not about who's all there, who's not all there, but it feels like he's a competitor.

It feels like he's a guy who understands who he is.

And I think even as as a guy who, you know, loves to represent Pittsburgh, I do.

I am very proud of the fact that I'm from there.

It's like we watched that stadium that night and it was like, this dude deserves better than this.

This dude deserves to be in massive.

What is the reality future,

realistic future of Paul Skeens in his baseball career?

Like, the Pirates can trade him at any time.

Is that accurate?

Yes,

let's start here, Pat.

It's not just Paul Skeens who deserves better.

It's Pittsburgh Pirates fans

who deserve better.

And

they deserve

a system

that allows teams to keep great players, right?

Now, in some cases,

guys will stay with small market teams.

We've seen that.

Bobby Witt Jr.

signed for 11 years and

$288 million with the Kansas City Royals.

We saw Joe Maurer stick around in Minnesota.

There are plenty of instances where guys will stay with smaller market teams.

But what incentive does Paul Skeens have to extend with the Pirates when the Pirates haven't shown the willingness from either Bob Nutting all the way down or the ability to bring in guys who are going to make this team better?

The Pirates haven't shown that they are worthy of a Paul Skeens extension at this point.

And so, what it comes down to is the Pirates, including 2025, have five years of club control before he reaches free agency.

If they believe that they have absolutely no chance of signing him,

then they should trade him.

And you can make the argument that they should trade him now.

I'm not going to because I think the Pirates, with some of the players that they have coming up, they would have a chance to win if they were to go out and actually bring in some offensive players and sign some free agents.

But the truth is, like, there, there are teams that already are going to ask about Paul Skeens at the trade deadline this year.

And I don't anticipate that he's going to be moved, but there's a real argument to be made that the best thing for the Pittsburgh Pirates would be to move Paul Skeens when he has his most values.

Every year.

It's like it's a depressing reality.

I get it.

We literally have the next Paul Skeens, too.

So

I mean,

I told you about Bubba.

Bubba's good, man.

Like, Bubba can play.

And Bubba Chandler is going to be up at some point soon.

And when he is, and if Jared Jones gets healthy, you have a rotation of Paul Skeens, Jared Jones, Bubba Chandler, Mitch Keller, Punjab Barko's coming.

Legit.

I mean,

it's a really, really good potential rotation, one that should be able to contend.

There's just not enough help there from the top.

Well, hopefully he wins in the World Baseball Classic for the United States of America.

Amen.

I saw him where he was wearing the United States of America headband,

hair thing.

Yep.

When he was being asked about the manager being fired, and he was like, we're 1240, dude.

So

it sucks that it's him.

We liked him, but somebody was going to get fired.

We kind of understand that.

Everything going on around pirates, not great.

No.

Even the security out there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That kid didn't die, though.

That was good.

That was good.

Said he put some ice on it.

Yeah.

Exactly.

He said he put some ice on it.

I didn't know that fight, so.

Yeah, definitely, kind of.

I mean, took his belt.

I don't know if the pirates will win that fight.

Yeah, it sounds like that fight is not over.

It feels like that fight's going to continue.

Jet, we appreciate the hell out of you for joining us.

Go baseball.

Go baseball.

Go baseball.

Exactly.

You know what, Pat?

It's been a good season.

Connor just laughed.

Connor just laughed about your go baseball there.

I don't know why he did that.

No, it's not at that.

It wasn't that, for sure.

It wasn't that.

I don't like that at all.

Connor, why do you have to be a dude?

I knew.

I knew.

Like, why?

This is why I said it wasn't me because I don't want to light this fire, Jet.

I'm going to be honest.

I'm going to let you fly in the sun, okay?

Everything's good.

It's Wednesday.

We got a four-day weekend coming up.

Self-explaining tonight.

He's got his fur coat on.

Yeah, come on.

Just let me live.

Let him live.

Good for baseball.

Good for baseball right now, though.

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Why'd you laugh in the guy's face?

You heard it.

Let's run it back.

It was the way he said it.

Run it back.

Let's run it back right now.

He's an AO Tim Kirch a little too much.

Run it back right now.

Play it back.

It's awful.

Now we all heard it.

Yeah, we all heard it.

We all heard it.

Yeah, yeah.

It was a little bit of his Elmo impression creeping in.

He does have a good good Elmo impression.

He does.

Good.

But I think he was excited.

Greatest baby.

He was excited for baseball.

He is, which is understandable because as a baseball hater, I am even very much into it.

Three walk-offs last night.

Nice.

Five.

Yeah.

Three walk-off homers, five walk-offs in total.

I thought it was three, two.

Oh, so there's like a single or something like that?

Yep.

Yeah, two or three.

Three walk-off dingers.

Yes.

Good for baseball.

Awesome.

I mean, I'm not watching the entire game to get to that moment.

Sure.

I'll watch the clip and I'll say, baseball.

You know, like I watched the Javi

from Detroit.

Javi Baez, yep.

That sound when that thing.

Awesome.

Oh, yeah.

And then that place going crazy.

The best.

I didn't know you guys are filling up for the Tigers.

It looked like there was a lot of people there.

Yeah, people are so excited.

The Tigers are good at baseball again.

And like, Jet nailed it.

Javi Baez legitimately was one of the most hated Detroit athletes I've ever seen in my lifetime because they gave him all that money.

He gave piss poor effort.

He was kind of a shitbird.

And now he's playing great baseball.

Everyone's apologizing.

Everyone loves him.

And he hits the walkoff.

It's awesome when Detroit sports are good.

We just need the Red Wings to kind of get on board here because we're all making the playoffs right now, except for them.

We have a couple updates from today's program.

There's also some schedules and games being leaked as we round up this glorious Wednesday.

A.Q.

Shipley told me

that he blames the photographer or the cheeseburgers.

He said he was in a cheeseburger era when his big gut was sticking out.

Understandable.

Also, it could have been the photographer, though, AJ.

That is something trying to get him.

That photographer takes that picture straight on, probably not as devastating.

Slips to the side there.

Eddie Lacey got screwed by this, too.

Remember when Eddie Lacey got screwed by this?

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Definitely not.

That was the angle.

Yeah, I definitely blame the photographer.

Should, always.

AQ's exact Texas, that fucking pick.

Come on.

I blame the photographer or the cheeseburger.

Okay.

Okay, so shout out to him.

We have some games that have been leaked while we've been live remember schedule releases this evening this is the social media team the digital team olympics around the nfl people are starting to hint at what their videos are going to be pittsburgh steelers have some of the boys acting out there laurel highlands i think yeah it looks like they're acting out there um you know Steelers, Packers, those franchises, don't expect much from them tonight.

They're going to do their best.

They're going to try hard.

But, you know, this is, we're about getting wins out here during the football season, not so so much in May for the schedule release.

That's for the Chargers, Panthers, teams, teams like that.

You know, that's how that goes.

So Ari Mirov has a bunch of tweets that he has put out.

Shout out to Ari at MySports Update.

NFL schedule week, the full week one primetime schedule.

Thursday night is obviously Cowboys at Eagles.

That's banner night in Philadelphia.

The last banner night Philadelphia had, Philadelphia Eagles fans were booming them at halftime.

Yes.

Remember that?

You remember that?

Just a few years back.

It could be anything that could happen there.

And then Chiefs at Chargers, Friday Night in Brazil, once again, that's been kind of alluded to numerous times.

That'll also be streaming live on YouTube.

Yeah.

YouTube TV, but also on YouTube.

That number is going to be fucking insane.

If it is streaming just on YouTube, like we are and we have exclusive.

Okay, wow.

Yeah, it is going to be, I think it's on YouTube TV and on YouTube.

But the YouTube number is going to be fucking absurd.

Just because the way that they can position that, obviously, on their website is just basically anybody on Google is potentially going to be watching that.

The concurrent is going to be record-breaking.

And congrats to the NFL holding another record, which is going to be in front of everybody's eyes.

And shout out to the Chiefs being a part of opening night or opening Friday night yet again.

Ravens at Bills on Sunday night football.

Love that game.

That was awesome.

Love everything about that.

And then Vikings at Bears on Monday night football.

A lot of hope and expectation for the Bears to be good this year.

Let's hope that that is the case.

And we have a banger of prime time throughout week one there.

Yeah, another one that was tweeted about that I believe was from Schefter was Chiefs Cowboys on Thanksgiving as well.

That is another that has been locked in.

Okay, Chiefs Cowboys on Thanksgiving

and then Chiefs are on Christmas.

Against the Broncos.

So they got opening Friday night.

They're on Thanksgiving.

They're on Christmas.

You do some math.

Christmas is 25th.

That's a Thursday.

What's New Year's Day?

Thursday, right?

Yeah.

The first.

So how many days is that apart there?

Seven days.

I assume they're going to be on New Year's Day as well.

I assume the Chiefs are doing the gamut here.

And they want Christmas was the conversation last year.

Like, hey, we want to be the Christmas Day game.

Hey, good news.

They got it.

Yeah, they did.

They got Christmas coming right down the pipe.

They're the perfect color for it.

Yeah.

And Chiefs' Kingdom is obviously a perfect home for it because they're always going to show up and be big.

And Anthony Miriam is perfect for it.

It's like,

I'm excited for that.

Here's some other games that have already been announced across the schedule, across the board.

And obviously, we'll learn more as we go.

A lot of international games this year.

That's only going to continue to go up if you listen to Roger Goodell talk.

Going to try to travel to more places.

Go ahead, Ton.

I believe it's, I mean, not officially, officially confirmed, but 99% Steelers will be going to the Jets week one.

So you can almost guarantee now that Aaron's going to sign just for spite week one.

Yeah, well, maybe.

Or just to spike the schedule makers, he doesn't.

Yeah.

You know, he could take this both ways here.

True.

Oh, You think it's Steelers, Jets week?

Oh, isn't that cute?

Justin Fields against the Steelers, me against the Jets.

Okay, that's cute.

Okay.

Yeah, he might sign week too.

I think I'm busy that week.

There's a chance.

Oh, yeah.

AJ, you would know more than us.

There's a chance that because they scheduled that, he goes, What am I?

A fucking puppet?

What is this in there?

Possible, yeah.

Yeah, he signs like two hours after that game ends.

Yeah, there's a possibility.

They need me.

That would be awesome.

I saw a video with him and Mike Studd.

Saw that too.

Living good.

Looks like he's happy.

That's good for...

Hitting jump hook.

He loves that jump hook three.

He's doing that.

He tries it a few times in this video.

This video is from a few months ago.

Yeah, it's older.

It's from Mike Studd's documentary that he released.

Nice court.

It's like a TBT.

Got a good golf.

Got a good golf setup, too.

I saw Aaron with the hands, you know, with the hands.

Coming out of the pocket?

No, yeah, it was a little chipper.

It was just a little chipper.

Mike Studd, former college baseball player, turned into a rapper, pop, musician, and philosophizer, I believe.

Oh, yeah.

Right?

I believe he is a philosophizer.

He has pocket.

Did he make one?

Did he make one of these shoes?

He makes one, yeah.

Mike Studd putting himself over, smart,

right in Aaron's face.

Good luck stopping that.

Yeah, walk it off.

Three straight.

Looks like he's in great shape.

Looks like he's living good.

Yeah.

That's from months ago.

He saw him at the Derby a couple weeks ago.

Looked good.

Looked like he was happy and in great shape.

Excited to see what he does this year.

OTAs are about to start happening.

Obviously, the schedule is being released tonight.

It's a great time to be alive.

The PGA Championship starts tomorrow.

It's going to be good.

Come on.

People's opinion of the course are torn, right?

Either they really love it or they don't love it as much.

Well, isn't the PGA Championship always the one?

Or is that the U.S.

Open?

US Open.

U.S.

Open is the one that always makes it really hard.

They're not happy because Quail Hollow is

a PGA tour event.

This year it's not but normally it is a they play a pj tour event at quail hollow it's a lot of people think that a major shouldn't be played at uh a course where there's always an event at okay got it because too many people know the course bingo um

i appreciate that we got a little heads up from old uh keith

mitchell and his chest hair yep sloppy course

greens dry though They got something under the greens to keep the greens dry.

Yeah, it can suck the water out of the greens, right?

Make it faster.

Yeah, so the the greens fast, fairway everywhere else, very slow.

So the high ball hitters, the high, the guys who hit it high in far are going to be the ones that have an advantage.

Tone actually looked up a stat.

He sent it into the group.

There's 11 guys that have like a high ball hitting

Apex, 180 mile plus, and then 110, 110 feet Apex, I believe was what it was.

Yeah, he sent it into the group.

Hopefully you're able to pull it up.

Yeah, Tone, I can't read this because of how small it all is, and I don't think we'll be able to.

Bryson D.Chambeau is at the top of hitting the ball high and far min woo lee who's a dog obviously rory mcelroy's in the group gary woodland wyndham clark david puig

michael

thornberry

brooksy that's not his name you were nowhere near it it was close you were nowhere near it got the first four right how do they notice about bryson and brooks that we haven't seen him golf that's a good question I know Bryson hits a high ball because I saw him hit it over his house.

Yeah.

Yeah, he does.

Yep.

I don't think David Puig's going going to win.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that.

Yeah,

I'm kind of with you on that one.

Okay.

That's my kind of big pick to click for the weekend.

If you saw this and you're thinking, you know what?

Yeah, it's time.

I'm going to fucking lay a little money on David Puig.

Save those shekels for a different event.

But this list could cement, you know, Bryson, Rory, Brooks, if you wanted.

Erasmus.

Yeah.

Ludwig

Kaiser?

He's over.

Big 2025.

Yeah.

How about this?

I tweeted that Sidney Crosby should play for America.

You know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everybody was really rational with that response.

Canadians love it.

Yeah, I figured that.

Americans too.

He's basically American now.

I mean, how long?

He's living 2013.

He's 20 years, but he's doing Sidney Crosby shit at this World Games.

What is this called, Nick?

World Championships.

Boom, World Games.

And look, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

You're a child, goalie.

The other day it was Latvia guy punching his fucking bucket off.

They're up 7-2.

Now it's a triple deke shot.

How you doing?

Up over the goalie's shoulder.

These guys that are playing in this game had no idea Sidney Crosby was going to be popping into this thing.

They had no fucking clue.

Who's playing for Canada?

Sidney Crosby's playing?

No way.

What's that going to be like?

Well, kid,

see ya.

That's what it's like.

You'll see.

That goalie's going to have nightmares of that for a fucking rest.

I mean, the puck was just going, so I didn't know where it was.

What is this guy?

He's fighting guys doing the whole thing?

And I tweeted I still think he should be playing for America, but nonetheless, Sid's doing Sid shit.

The reaction has been hilarious.

You fucking idiot.

How'd this moron get his own show?

Well, we fucking built it, bitch.

How about that?

That's how you get it.

And with that being said, he's lived in Pittsburgh longer than he lived in Canada.

This guy's a Yinser.

And I know he's the greatest international player in the history of hockey.

I think his record with the Canadian team is like the best record in the history of any sport playing for their international team.

I think he only has like two losses or something, two or three losses.

I forget what it was.

It was like, what was the number?

Like 28 and 2 or something like that?

I forgot.

Yeah, it's something absurd like that.

I mean, he's won the two Olympics.

He's won two gold medals.

So he's...

He's captain kind of.

Yeah, one coordination.

He's got a Yenser action.

So obviously, actually, he does not somehow.

Because remember at Big Night Out, I was hoping there would be a little bit of a...

He was fake.

But I mentioned to him about how he plays for America next time.

And

yeah, he reacted in the same exact way as any rational human being was.

Don't think that's possible, but people on the internet read that.

Surprised.

This piece of shit.

It's like, well, all right, dude.

You're rational.

Thinks that'll coach.

Next.

Would he ever coach?

Because he is so into hockey.

I don't know what his life will be like when he's not playing hockey.

That's a good question.

He said he's going to play for a couple more years at Big Night Out.

GM, maybe?

Yeah, I'd see him more as a executive Mario roller.

Like Mario Lemuel, yeah, like ownership.

Heiserman.

What a player, dude.

He's so good.

He's healthy.

He played so good this year.

It's okay.

It's like Skeen's playing so good.

It's all right.

They'll be back.

Pens?

At some point.

Dubis is going to get it done.

Cold call.

Don't say what you're going to say.

Yeah.

What I'm going to say?

No.

Dubis is going to get it in.

Don't add an M to it either.

Do piss.

Yeah.

Get it done with the toilet, maybe.

That's what he said to me after the show.

He goes, oh, I should have added an M to it.

Yeah, instead of flipping the B to a P.

I thought that's where you were headed.

That's why it was good curveball.

Do piss.

I don't even know what N you guys are talking about.

M.

M.

Dumb.

Moobis.

What?

I can't believe Us Idiots got a show.

That's a good call.

I love throwing tennis balls.

That was the best.

They're the best.

Hard.

It was a little.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

There's nothing like a tennis ball with a baseball bet.

Yep.

Oh, yeah.

Bonus.

Boom.

Couldn't see it on camera.

One in a trash can die.

Yeah, we saw it.

Get tempted to throw something away in in that trash can, those trash cans on a regular basis.

Thunder Buckets is dead.

No, it's not.

Once the ring runs, once the ring leaves, we'll play again.

Thunder Buckets is a dead game here.

We knew it had a chance.

Once the ring's gone, we'll play again.

God's shoulders are a little sore.

Yeah, fake it.

I don't know.

It's understandable.

A deep bicep contusion, dude.

So this is the thing.

You just got to acknowledge what you are and then play it.

It's like people have a slice who just say, no, I'm going to hit it straight.

No, you're not.

Okay.

Fucking look left.

It'll come back.

No, I'm going to hit it straight then if I do that.

Okay.

Well, if you hit it straight then, the next time we aim straight down the middle.

This time I'm going to have to aim.

I'm just going to aim past the hoop.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Aim higher.

Aim high.

I don't, you aim high?

Shoot higher.

I don't know if I aim high.

Shoot higher.

Watch.

You'll see.

Just shoot it a little higher.

There it is.

I mean, that much high.

You know, it was going.

You went under before.

You went way.

Not that much high.

You went under before.

I didn't know you got that in the basket.

Listen, massive giveaway happening right now.

Oh, that's right.

Okay.

I have a Topps card.

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This is a card that I'm not a big card guy.

Not a big card.

Was never really given a football card, just to be clear.

Never really afforded the opportunity to have a football card.

Felt weird to me that was never offered, but it really never was.

I think there's a few of them out there.

I'm not really a big card collector guy, but there are a few in the office that are card collectors.

This one looks sweet.

This is one that my wife has already purchased.

I would like to keep one.

These are only available, I think, for the next 48 hours or so.

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We have a QR code here.

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Hell yeah.

And then we'll send them out.

I think that that means something in the card world.

I don't really understand the card gimmick as much, but I do appreciate the fact that that one's sweet.

And we bought 40 of them here.

We'll sign 20 of them, 20 random winners.

All you got to do is hashtag Tops McAfee and post a picture of your purchase of a five-pack.

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Cracking packs.

We got aim high.

All right, 20 of them is all you get.

Hashtag Tops McAfee.

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And shout out to Topps for doing this.

It looks cool.

Yeah, it does.

It's sick.

Who took the picture?

I mean, what a great picture.

Yeah, I don't know.

Randy Johnson.

Yeah.

Could have been Erken Griffin.

Or Ken Griffey Jr.

Huh?

Could have been Ty Herbert Street.

I don't know if he has.

Drew Carey.

Are we just naming people?

now?

No, he does that.

He's a big photographer guy, Seattle.

Could have been Tim McAfee.

Tim McAfee.

Oh.

He wasn't there, but he's got a good camera.

Yeah.

Good timing.

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All right, you guys have a great weekend.

Watch the PGA Championship.

We will be.

We'll be enjoying time with our families.

We'll be enjoying enjoying the life of a sports fan.

And we'll be back for Overreaction Monday going crazy.

Will the Celtics still be in it?

Or will it be over?

How about in the West?

Will there be a clearer picture on who is going to be taking on the Pacers in the NBA finals?

I don't want to get ahead of myself.

I don't need to do that.

I've just been saying since January they're the best team in the NBA.

Now they're in the Eastern Conference finals.

They're making me look really good.

I appreciate them doing that.

Looks like I know ball, AJ, doesn't it?

You do.

You do know ball.

People would also know ball if they were able to watch the pacers.

Yep.

Like, I think that is,

they weren't really on TV ever.

NBA is doing a good job of keeping them away from us, I think.

It has been like a shell game.

Somehow.

They're playing the number one seed in the East.

Yeah, but how can we, we got to put it on Turner?

Do True TV.

Actually, ECF is only on Roku this year.

Not getting into it.

Not getting into it.

A lot of people have Roku.

I agree.

Really?

I have Roku.

Do you really?

My TV came with it.

It's an app on there, right?

Yeah.

I've never used it, but it was the thing you used to plug into the side of the TV back,

right?

Hundreds of millions.

Hundreds of millions.

Those are viruses.

Yeah.

I've heard.

No, Roku has the six as well.

I don't think so.

I've heard Roku.

Oh, yeah, they do.

Nothing.

What?

I've heard Roku is just like a nothing burger.

No, I've seen it.

It has the R.

Nah.

That could be said.

Some circles do say that, Conman.

Yeah.

The circles I have frequented say, like, Roku, what is on rooku joku well no i like i know a lot of people have the roku sticks

i have never met a person who actually like you get the roku stick and then you you watch netflix you watch yeah stuff that you you don't i've never that's what i thought it was that's honestly all i thought it was downloading the roku app and kind of oh we're learning of roku here over the last couple days yeah it's a good product i have the sticks but i use it to watch youtube and netflix on the tv that you don't isn't a normal like i did that back in the day before the tv had it on there

yeah and i actually haven't heard it's a good product i've just Oh, you haven't?

No, I've just heard it.

I was just kind of saying that.

We don't know much.

No, I don't know about it.

We don't know enough about it.

Hundreds of millions.

Makes sense.

All right.

Fire sticks for it.

AJ, you're the man.

Have a great weekend with all the kids.

You too.

Happy birthday, Axel.

Oh, yeah.

His birthday was yesterday.

Yeah.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

He doesn't look like your kid at all.

Thank you.

Your kids all look like your kids.

Like,

they are age kids.

I don't know.

I'm too close to it.

Did you know Axel's middle name's after Chris Jericho?

I had no idea.

Axel Jericho?

Yeah.

Yeah.

For Y2J, you guys were.

Well, you know, I mean, if Chris Jericho is in the room, then yes, it is absolutely for Chris Jericho.

Chris Jericho's not in the room currently.

Let's say he's listening, though.

What would it be for, then?

I mean, just because it's sweet, it's from biblical, all that, and we want to make him A.J.

Jr.

I mean, he's not AJ Jr., but his initials are the same.

Yeah, but wouldn't that have to be Aaron James?

Because that's what you you are to be a junior.

I feel like officially a junior, but there's no rules when it comes to names.

You can do whatever the hell you want.

I think Bob Deuce, we should call him Deuce.

We ever think about calling Axel Deuce.

Axel, good name.

I don't know why you want to get a real rude.

Yeah.

I think the

same name thing has, isn't that the first and the seconds?

Oh, yeah.

Versus juniors.

Or the first.

Yeah.

But like Clay.

So Clay Matthews,

he wasn't the firstborn son, but he is his dad.

He is like the third.

The third, yeah, Clay Matthews.

Congrats, Clay, by the way.

Signing with Boston.

Yeah.

I believe he's going to be doing some more media stuff.

Like to see that.

Oh, yeah.

Cut a presidential promo at the draft.

That was awesome.

Ready to Green Bay.

That was hilarious.

Hotel Letter.

Yeah.

The Bear Stealth Song.

Place with apeshit.

Yeah, he did.

Green Bay was a great host.

He was.

Will Pittsburgh be the same?

I think so.

Yeah, they already got the countdown clock up.

Where do they put it at?

Do you know?

The countdown clock is at the point.

I know they're doing a huge project to renovate that this year, so I don't know if that's where it's at.

I don't know if there's enough room there.

Not counting down in the season.

Already looking ahead.

Well, they're hosting an event for the NFL.

Kind of weird.

They're hosting an event for the NFL for nine Sundays.

Yeah,

they have a countdown to the season.

Everybody's brain already knows what is.

I haven't heard about that.

They get in her car, DV, tells them we got this many Sundays until fucking Pittsburgh's Taylor Sunday.

That's what they say.

I hope

the 2026 NFL draft is still being finalized.

The main portion of the event is expected to incorporate elements of Pittsburgh's North Shore and Point State Park, as well as Akrisher Stadium, with a variety of venues to be utilized and activated within close proximity.

All right.

If they do go down there at a point

where the stadium is kind of across the river, there,

that would be pretty nice.

Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot of views, a lot of areas that you can do it in.

A lot of huge, like, I think people are going to look like they're packed in there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Getting in and out of there is going to be fun.

I'm a little worried about.

Need a boat.

It's pretty compact.

Everything's pretty compact down there.

Yeah, I'm a little worried about day two, day three.

People still having the excitement to do all the shit to get get there.

You know?

Why is it in the south side?

There's no room everywhere.

Come on.

They should just shut down the south side.

They should just shut that fucker down.

We should do it at Coach Diggs pool.

Yeah.

We're talking about

Paradise Diggs.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Could fill that up.

I know.

It's a big pool.

It's filled up right now.

Of course, Coach Diggs is in there.

How's the weather where you guys are?

It's been raining a ton, but if it's not raining, it's very humid.

It was coming down this morning.

Shite.

coming.

Also, this is gonna be a shocker.

Coach is at the elbow room right now.

So he's down in Florida.

Yeah, he texted me.

He said, Hey, watching you guys on TV's elbow room.

Maybe they do it.

Okay, it's in Pittsburgh.

Never mind.

Should

do it in the elbow room.

All right, everybody, have a great four-day weekend.

We can't thank you enough.

AJ, great work this week.

Really crushed it.

Thank you.

Boys in the back, really good work.

Really good.

Boys.

The graphic design, boys, really good.

Really good.

Can't wait to see you do that.

Uh, oh, you know, those multiple backflips, Debone.

Yeah, we need to do the back hand spring party, like Ninja Mac is the name.

Okay, Debone could do it.

I could see Debone getting in there and doing it.

Yeah, I think so.

Debone said he plans on getting in good shape by football season, isn't that right?

We just have to hang like a box of like McCrispy strips or something at the end, and he'll just

come on.

He probably would.

And he wouldn't kick those.

He ain't knocking those over.

No.

Girl Scout cookies showed up in our office out of nowhere.

Nobody brought them.

And

somehow, nobody brought them.

They were the worst.

The worst collection of the broken.

The coconut ones or whatever?

Bingo.

Not the worst.

Three bing mills.

That's crazy.

Three.

You guys are asinine.

This might be a generation.

It's the chocolate peanut butter ones.

We agree, yes.

But that doesn't mean the worst fucking ones.

The coconut ones should be burned.

Yeah.

Throw them away.

You agree with AJ, who only eats bullshit.

So

that doesn't help my cost.

I'm not a coconut guy.

I'm not a coconut guy who is.

That's a Samoza belief.

Yeah, you don't like Samoans.

That's interesting.

Watch your mouth.

You're an ooze.

You've heard watch your mouth.

You've heard a news.

You better watch your mouth right now.

That's weird.

It's called Samoz's whatever the hell they're called.

I'm talking about Girl Scout cookies right now.

That one, not my favorite.

I understand people that do like it, but if you don't like coconut, you're not going to like that one.

Okay, that is just a...

I don't like coconut

anyways.

It was that one, okay?

So obviously, yeah, no way I'm doing that.

And then there was the plain, like probably the one that you like the most.

It's just a plain ass.

That one sucks.

Yeah, all it cream.

Yeah, whatever it is, just plain-looking ass blue balls.

It's okay.

It's okay.

Yeah, you love that one.

Like the white Oreos.

And then there was three Thin Mints.

Fire.

Three Thin Mints.

Thin Mints.

Fire.

Yeah, they were the origin, I believe.

Thin Mint's probably were the origin.

I appreciate their service for this entire thing.

but that was the worst collection of Girl Scout cookie purchases I've ever seen.

They just showed up here this morning, nobody brought them in.

Okay, I don't know how that happens.

I have no idea how that happens.

You started burying them too early.

That's how it happened.

Yeah, we should have complimented it a little bit.

Because I went over there and I go, These are all ass.

The fuck, yeah.

This is the worst collection.

Because whoever brought them instantly just quieted.

Kept typing wherever they were.

Mate actually stood up.

Awesome.

Zeto.

Zito brought those in.

Awesome.

Falk.

Screamed.

Oh, that's when he

forgot to write something down.

Yeah, well, the falk was

Mitt had a couple moments this morning that were really good.

The whole office got to hear him and his takes and his opinions.

I saw Zito bring those Girl Scout cookies in.

Zito's like, I found him in the front room.

So somebody had to bring him in the front room.

Oh, and he sits down.

Shit, wait, I know where everything is.

You're the front room.

Yeah, I am the front room, basically, is what he said.

And then there was another one that had a graphic of some sort.

He forgot to write, fuck,

sure, wrote it down.

It was such a a good idea.

Mitt, you're trying good work this week, Mitt.

Mate, Mitt.

Worst Girl Scout cookie collection we've ever had.

It's not true.

No questions asked.

I'm asking a question right now.

So

you think

if that collection, because there's so many good options, I think, of Girl Scout cookies.

Yeah.

Was placed against any other collection.

That's not what I'm saying.

I said it's a shit collection.

You said it's the worst.

Potentially.

No, because I think you put them in Simone's top four, both of them.

And then you got the tackle on jet one.

And then you have a floating

other box that just slides in there sometimes.

Shout out to the Girl Scout cookies.

They got to make so much money off.

Where's it all go?

Good question.

Probably to that

cool bunker.

Heard about that bunker.

And then Joey Bose is like, what's up, Dion Dawkins?

Good to talk to you.

Schno, love football.

They call you Schnow.

I'm trying to never see that in my bunker.

And then they just roll right into a bunker conversation.

Sounds like that is exactly how it went.

So the bunker talk is: we're going down.

We're going down.

You could YouTube.

There's some guys that have great YouTube channels that are burying bunkers in people's yards that are awesome.

I mean, Zuckerberg has the $240 million bunker in Hawaii.

What was that show?

What was that show?

Paradise.

Paradise.

Very good.

Is that the one that was all down?

No, Silo or something.

No, Silo is all down.

Yeah, and that show took a turn at the end of the last season.

But Paradise is about a bunker built inside a mountain in the Rockies.

Not really a bunker.

It's like the size of Toledo, is what they said.

Oh, Tan.

Yeah.

Which is what?

You ever toured that Greenbrier one?

You guys ever toured the Greenbrier, big old bunker that was secret and then all of a sudden got found out and now it gives tours?

Greenbrier, West Virginia?

Yeah, they have a huge bunker there.

The only thing I remember from Greenbrier is went down in the casino and they made me put a fake pair of a pair of dress pants on.

That's true.

Size 46.

Had to put these dress pants on because I had shorts on.

Not a lot in the casino with shorts.

So they pulled a pair of suit pants out from the back.

Here's 48, still fit.

And we had a great time on Jay-Z's bus.

Yeah, we did.

Great times.

On Jay-Z's bus?

Jay-Z.

John Daly.

John Daly.

Good gosh.

I don't think so.

Yeah, I don't think so.

Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.

It might change their life.

We're in this thing together.

Okay, great work, boys.

Team on me.

Have a great weekend.

Team on three.

One, two, three.

Team.

Goodbye.

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