PMS 2.0 1319 - Shams Charania, Trey Hendrickson, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

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Everything under $100 before fees still available. There are a couple isolated solo seats, you know, that kind of happens.
I've learned that whenever they say something is a sellout, that means the tickets that are available, that were available are gone but every once in a while there'll be like solo seats in places like one iso iso iso iso so they're opening those up too so if you feel like you can't come alone know that you can't and uh those tickets are going to be available but we very much understand that there might be and if you you you might be the person on the airplane that has the uh oh yeah seat right next to him maybe open or somebody will snag that and try to sell it for 10x the price of what the ticket is which is what we learned whenever the original tickets went on for sale which is why uh evil kenevil kid rock was potentially correct you know trying to get some things done nonetheless we hope you come join us next wednesday night in pittsburgh it'll be a blast uh Shom Sharania joining us in about 13 minutes or so. He's senior insider for the NBA on this ESPN.
And then we'll have Trey Hendrickson of the Cincinnati Bengals joining us in the next hour. And I think Cincinnati Bengals fans, just as soon as they heard those words come out of my mouth, go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Wait a minute. What? What's going on here? Well, there was a moment yesterday at the owner's meeting where Miss Katie, who is the current runner of the team, Mr.
Brown's daughter, is running the Cincinnati Bengals, where there was a quote said, something along the lines of that Trey Hendrickson should be happy at certain rates that maybe he doesn't think he'd be happy at. I think some of it is on him to be happy at some point, and if he's not, you know, that's what holds up sometimes.
So, you know, it takes him to say yes to something. And also, we have all the respect in the world for him.
He's been a great player. We're happy to have him.
And so maybe we'll find a way to get something to work. We're just going to see where it goes.
And then she said she literally doesn't know what's going to end up happening with Trey Hendrickson. We're going to ask him about that.
You know, that feels like a pretty prevalent quote in his life his business uh everything that is happening around him remember he is the sack king and we just saw what miles garrett went for obviously uh daniel hunter just signed a deal crosby crosby max crosby just signed a deal so there is a market basically already that has been established from all the way over 40 million to mid 30s uh lower 30 million tj watt is not signed yet micah parsons who has david mulageta has his agent um also has all those comps and is going to be negotiating with jerry jones who say he didn't even know who he was and then mulageta comes out and goes he's not supposed to know me it's all about micah and getting what he deserves which is exactly the mulageta playbook but if i was cincinnati bangles and i'm gonna try to get a deal done with trey hendrickson i'd be trying to get this deal done before mulageta gets his deal done mulageta is the one that did the sean watson right but not just that deal basically every single position the person that is at the top of the payment class uh is represented by david mulageta mulageta is a dog mulageta uh also has a sneaker store i believe down in texas where he's no shit they're talking about just like hustler but one of the greatest businessmen that we have ever seen and also one of the greatest negotiators we've ever seen so he already has the miles garrett contract sitting on deck for his micah uh negotiation but whatever he's going to do is going to be absurd so that market that is currently let alone what tj is going to so that market is currently moving so like we've talked about this plenty of times before if you plan on paying somebody and having them be around your program for a while it's better to get it done right now because especially at a quarterback sacking position in 2025 a disrupt the pass game position a defensive end position that is a highly paid position, the sack king of it. You would think you'd want to get that thing done as opposed to being like, this guy, he's be happy about what? That's a wild quote.
I'll be excited to see what Trey says about it all. And hopefully, once again, the Cincinnati Bengals will do something that they hadn't really done in the past, which is pay one of their guys, keep them around, continue to build, which they've been able to do with Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase and Joey Burrow.

Will they be able to do it on the defensive side?

They were saying they were hopeful for it.

We'll see what Trey Hendrickson has to say about it all.

And are they even still talking?

Have they even been negotiating?

So many questions.

That's a big story coming out of that Cincinnati, Ohio, beautiful city.

So we'll talk to him.

And then also we have a preview from Netflix that's never been seen before.

Okay.

Yeah, they got a new Drive to Survive happening.

Love it.

Yeah, it's going to be – it's in a world that I don't know much about,

but it's obviously a very popular world.

And then once you watch the teaser, it's like, oh, that's going to be sick there.

Talking about horse racing.

Talk to Ted was here. At Boston Corner, at ty schmidt one half of the hammer done uh ball cap wears ap tone is here good to see you tone yep yeah yeah that is a good hat rose bowl game you're just bouncing back and forth here cowboy hat baseball uh i would want everyone to be weather aware today uh it's high winds high tornado uh potential today so cowboy hat didn't want that to blow away.
Oh, okay. I thought if you could feel it.
You can chase it. I thought we would have the cowboy hat on.
I don't want to lose my precious cowboy hats. I will chase it in a ball cap, though.
Yes, you certainly will. You're turning that thing backwards if you need to, like your Dan Quinn down there in Florida at the owner's meeting.
Let's go to nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here.
Yes, I do. D-Bot, you look so cool.
And obviously we're going to break some news here today, I assume. Happens on a regular basis.
But the NBA was the news of the morning in the sports world. What a night last night for the association.
A couple megastars want bananas. Yeah, huge night for the NBA.
This is the time of the year where, you know, the stars, the superstars, and the team starts to cook. We talked about how close we are to the playoffs.
And let's start right at the top of the food chain with Joker, who SGA is the betting favorite to be the MVP this year. But

Joker is having another phenomenal season. Just night in, night out, he puts up ridiculous

video game-like numbers. Last night, 61 points in the triple-double, which is the highest scoring

effort in the triple-double. Third player to ever do this in nba history other two being luca and then james harden but just phenomenal the way he controls the game i mean we talk about all-time greats all-time lists he is climbing up there every year i think right now already he's probably top 10 ever joker could play in any era yeah agree like we'd like to put that out there athleticism, people probably pointed that and say, oh, this, that, and the third, his defense.
People pointed at that, but he dominates the game. He's so efficient on offense.
When he's not scoring, he's getting somebody else in position to score. He's rebounding on both ends of the court.
And I think he does play better defense than he's given credit for. Just an absolute dominant force out there.

And this game was unbelievable.

This finished the game.

Edwards had a big night as well.

Russ kind of had some tough plays down the stretch,

so they didn't get the win in this incredible effort from Joker.

Timberwolves got the win.

Some big news coming from the Timberwolves as well

that we'll talk about later.

But an incredible night, an incredible ending

to this basketball game.

And another player talking about the top of the food chain. Hold on, hold on.
We got to let this finish here okay the game is finishing up here this is in double overtime russell missed the layup there full speed hard yeah that's gonna be tough and then he comes down here fouls this guy okay so this guy now shooting a three gets fouled by russell westbrook so you're talking about a terrible i love that call a terrible 12 second run yeah obviously people say it shouldn't have been a call watching the the NBA, that's always going to get called. Game winner, though, do you make the call? So many conversations.
This guy would obviously hit him and then, you know, Russell Westbrook would be the one that would be talked about in it all. I think what Russ has done in Denver, I think a lot of people say great for Russ, good for everything.
Last night was a classic at the end. He almost fought a guy too.
Yeah, one of the fans probably said something out of pocket. Russ wants another all-time group.
That's Russell. And Denver's going to love having Russ around.
But last night, that just is an awful way to end that game for Russ, especially with what Joker did. Westbrook feels terrible, I would assume, about it all.
And congrats to the Timberwolves. That's a huge win.
Big win. Huge win.
They're currently, obviously, in a playoff conversation down there. Yeah, a lot of these wins and losses obviously have huge, huge playoff implications.
And Steph Curry, man, yesterday one of my boys, Lewis Murphy, played in the league for a long time, good friend of mine, went on his podcast during the Super Bowl and he posted it actually yesterday morning. Steph Curry, where he is in my top five rankings.
And, boy, I don't know if he looked at the post, if somebody got in his ear, but he showed off and made me look smart. 52 points.
Had 32 to have 12 threes. 12 for 23 from behind the arc.
10 rebounds. 5 steals as well.
Another guy that doesn't get maybe as much credit. Can be a liability on defense for sure, but will show up and absolutely pad the stat sheet.
But just an unbelievable weapon. All-time great, great player.
Best shooter. That's not even an argument in NBA history.
And I thought, you know, the game, the name of the game is putting the ball in the bucket. And nobody does it from further, from behind a three-point arc.
He had a phenomenal performance last night against the Grizzlies, who, once again, good game. So he was running.
He was putting up all these numbers numbers and you're looking at the score and they were only up one point down three so this was a back and forth game pretty much all night John Morant had a great game with we talked about it yesterday their coach being fired when they were sitting in the four seed but uh just an unbelievable performance Steph Curry he's still playing at the top of his game still elite we saw the performance he had in the Olympics. And now with him being healthy, he missed about a week or so with an ankle injury.
Or, I'm sorry, a tailbone injury. He came back.
He looks fresh. He looks rested.
Jimmy Butler had a great performance as well. So they're clicking right now.
The Warriors, I think, will be a tough out when we get into these playoffs. 27 times he's made at least 10 threes.
That's it. Yeah.
That is most by a player in NBA history. 12 is not the most in a game.
I guess Klay Thompson actually has the most in a game. But I guess Steph is obviously top three in that mark as well.
Whenever that bucket looks big for Steph early, that's electrifying. That was what changed all of basketball.
All of basketball. All of basketball.
The seven on sevens, I think, changed the NFL and the rules changing, I think, changed the NFL as a whole. Steph Curry changed all of basketball because undersized.
In real life, he's telling everybody. But undersized is what it was.
And he goes to Dayton or whatever, under-recruited, even though his dad was a ball player. And then the ability just to make threes, and his entire story was he just never left the gym.
So it gave everybody hope that if you worked on threes, the muscle memory would be able to show up, and you can just make something that's worth more than two points on a regular basis. There was a time there for, what, four or five years where it felt like any time Steph pulled up, it did not matter where he was at, it was going to fall.
Step backs, in front of people, around people, off balance, backwards. And then him and then him and clay the one two punch what they were able to accomplish was just like a cheat code which caused everybody to think that this is how it has to be i think if you chit chat with some of the older generation basketball players which we did with tyler hansborough let alone everybody else is speaking and shaq talks about having a big man it's like you still got to be able to bang from down low not everything's just a lucky you know everything's like a lucky three it's like for Steph it wasn't luck it was like a very much trained skill and obviously a lot of guys are like that nowadays but it's like everybody thought that is what they were going to become especially if they're slightly undersized and it's like if he gets back to doing this boy that would be an absurd thing for the especially going into playoffs with Jimmy Butler, who is a playoff machine for the Golden State Warriors to get back into conversation in a big way in the NBA.
Yeah, training skill to your point, too. I'm pretty sure there's a story of him going like 97 of 100 threes during practice, so it's not as if he's just showing up and doing this.
Obviously, he worked his ass off for it. The 27th game with 10 plus threes, I believe second place is Klay Thompson with only nine.
So you can say he has a pretty hefty lead above everybody. And then just looking forward to the playoffs, I believe right now is the Lakers versus Warriors matchup that a lot of people obviously are circling for the playoffs.
But yeah, this is just unbelievable. Who knows? This is old Steph.
That's old Steph. He's still doing it, still bringing it.
And like you mentioned, it completely changed the game. Like, even when they were going in their early runs and not necessarily winning it yet, a lot of the talking heads were saying, like, you can't win a championship this way.
It's just like, you know, when you saw it change in the NFL when it came much more of a passing game, you talked about 707. But, yeah, they changed the game not only for NBA basketball, but college, high school, women's, men's.
Like, everyone globally plays the game differently because of what the Splash brothers, Steph and Klay, were able to do and then what he's still doing. I believe he's now has the most 50-point games for a guy over 30.
I think he just passed LeBron for most 50-point games in a career. I think this was 15th.
Him and LeBron were tied at 14. So you're talking about just consistently dominant.
And kind of like Joker because he's not a player that plays above the rim. He's not 6'6", and just unbelievable athleticism.
So he doesn't get the respect all the time, I don't think, as the other greats of the game have. You gave him a lot of respect on that podcast.
I mean, you know, I got to speak out for the chef. I don't think enough people do.
And obviously, some names you bring up and it gets a little touchy there. But he's in my top five, especially.
I only rank the guys that I actually watch play. I'm not ranking Kareem.
I'm not ranking really Magic. I saw MJ.
I saw Kobe. I saw Braun Shaq.
So those guys with Steph round up my top five. I've been watching some 1970s basketball more than ever before.
I have to. Look for our journalistic report on that coming rather soon.
But, yes, I agree. In the different eras that we've seen of basketball, it's like obviously there was a time where there wasn't even a three-point shot.
So the three-point line didn't even exist.

What this dude does is bananas. But I think

it's also given a lot of false confidence to a lot of people

that aren't Steph Curry. Without a doubt.

That they think they, you know,

I can make threes. How many can you make?

I'd go like five or ten. That's

really good.

97 of 100 is what Steph does.

So you've got to keep on working, brother.

And changing the game, changing the math is obviously a big deal. Congrats to Golden State.
Still bringing it. Still bringing it.
Also, last night, baseball is still happening right in front of our eyes. And I'll tell you what, this year we have made a conscientious effort to keep baseball in the conversation strictly because the Pittsburgh Pirates got Paul Skeens.
And guess what? It's Skeens bump day today, baby. Is it not? It is Skeens day.
A little bit different today. They are playing the Tampa Bay Rays, whose home stadium for this year is actually the Yankees spring training facility, George Steinbrenner Field, because the trop was damaged so heavily in the hurricanes down there so it'll be very

interesting to see how just kind of like the whole year how people react to play in here because it's

not a major league stadium it's it's a spring training facility it's probably yeah it's going

to be hot uh bruce actually said that due to a bunch of weather and rain coming to tampa in the

the near future they're ready to start with like a massive homestand and then they're just going to

be on a massive road trip which doesn't typically happen like teams sometimes will have like

Thank you. to Tampa in the near future.
They're ready to start with a massive homestand, and then they're just going to be on a massive road trip, which doesn't typically happen. Teams sometimes will have West Coast swings, but they don't often play a bunch of home games and then just play a bunch of road games.
Last night, baseball is just on the periphery right now with the NBA starting the playoffs soon. There will be a couple stories to watch until the NBA is over, until we're in the heat of the summer.
Dodgers still undefeated. One of the best starts in the history of baseball, which everyone kind of anticipated they were going to do.
The entire narrative is like, hey, is anyone going to be able to beat these guys? They're just too good. As of right now, they haven't lost yet, so it kind of holds true.
Hunter in 62-0. It's possible.
It's possible not going to happen, but it's certainly possible. There's a very good chance that they break the single season record for most wins in a season.
They played the Braves, who are a team that a lot of people thought would contend for an NL pennant. They are defeated on the year.
They have not won yet. Zero in 162.
Still on the table. Still on the table, which is kind of crazy because Diggs was doing a little research before he pulled up the betting odds.
They're still like the fifth favorite to win the World Series this year. Fourth favorite.
There you go. So, you know, not exactly time to panic quite yet.
But this is, yeah, third, well, I guess tied with the Mets and Phill mets and phillies tied for third but so this is the thing about baseball is people early on in the season go nuts when teams have bad starts you mentioned they play 162 games so oh and six isn't exactly i mean it's not like starting oh and four in the nfl or oh and five or something like that they have plenty of time to right the ship uh and then the other kind of big news last night in the majors, Yankees were playing the D-backs, who Ken Kendrick owns. Shout out West Virginia legend.
Shout out. Saw him take a picture with Rich Rodriguez.
He might be back. He might be back.
And the Yankees, it was 4-3 in the top of the eighth inning. And Mark Leiter Jr.
unfortunately gave up a grand slam to Eugenio Suarez. He has five hits on the year.
All five are home runs. Yeah, just hitting tanks.
Very poor timed jump by Cody Bellinger there. I think he could have robbed that one if he would have waited a tiny bit.
But, yeah, baseball is in full swing. The torpedo bats, again, that will be something to monitor kind of going forward.
I don't know if he was using one.

I don't think he was.

But, yeah, I mean, if you're kind of just a casual baseball fan, yeah.

Tough.

Poorly timed.

Very poorly timed.

Kind of look like Tebow.

But, again, it's one of those things where he is their everyday center fielder.

So there was a defensive replacement.

They kicked him over to left field.

The wall's different. Maybe he's not as familiar with the wall in left field over there.
He's got a little bend on it. Exactly.
And also, you know, the ad changed colors, right? In his back. Yeah, exactly.
So I don't know what you want him to do. So the Yanks had their first loss of the season last night, but you mentioned it.
Hey, Skeen's day. There's a bunch of other good games on the slate.
So, you know, if you're not a huge basketball fan or you're just looking for something to kind of have on in the background while you're on your phone, baseball's a good option. Baseball's a great conversation the next day after the game.
Following the entirety of it is a little bit more difficult. I've even tried.
Definitely good for the background, being on the phone, doing other things. Shout out to baseball.
You just talked about it. Basketball obviously happening live and in color right now in a big way joining us senior mba insider for espn ladies and gentlemen in front of the program sean charania look how cool you look sean what's good pat i don't know how you do it one day you're you're in london next day you're in indy in the thunderdome we got to give you a price for that well i appreciate you doing that.
There's a lot of people that hate everything about it, but I do, and I've heard from them, obviously, in the last 24 hours in a big way. But I appreciate you, man, just trying to work as hard as you and as hard as the insiders do.
With that being said, Shams, you're the guy that has always kept us informed on what's going on in the association. From what I've been told, you massive breaking news here shams pat i do have some news sources tell the espion source tell us on the pat mcafee show here carmelo anthony has been notified he has been elected into the basketball hall of fame the nasmyth basketball hall of fame class of 2025 he's he's the landmark player the big name player here for this hall of fame class and 10-time all-star six-time all nba team the 10th leading scorer of all time in nba history we know how great he was with the new york knicks the denver nuggets he had he had late runs with the thunder the portland trailblazers finished his career with the Lakers.
He is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Congratulations,

fellow! Obviously, 7 p.m. in Brooklyn is fantastic.
He's a businessman. I think it just came out that he's looking to potentially get ownership of the Wizards.
Just a kid from Baltimore that has obviously transformed not only him, but his whole family's lives with an incredible work ethic that has now led to him being a first ballot Hall of Famer. He used to be so silky.
Just take over games, too. You know, people talk about being able to create your own shot or being able to knock down shots.
Obviously, we're just talking about Steph and everything like that. And we talk about the big guys that were shooters.
It was like Mello was one of the first guys that was so silky, big man. And he always looked so cool while he was doing it.
Congrats to him. He's part of that class.
You know, Braun, CP, Dwayne Wade, Mello, they're all like boys, I believe, and they all have obviously impacted the game in a massive way. Yeah, and even before he went pro, like his one-and-done year at Syracuse, probably the best one-and-done ever on the collegiate level.
Just a bucket, an absolute bucket. We talk about these stat lines with Joker and what Steph put up.
I know a few years ago he had a stat line, 62 points, no rebounds, no assists, no other boosts, just straight buckets. And that's Melo right there, man.
It's a dope honor to see him going there first ballot. And DB, an inspiration.
You think about everyone looks at Kevin Durant now, the greatest scorer of all time or one of the greatest scorers of all time. You know, pure basketball scorer.
That's what Carmelo Anthony was. He's arguably the most pure scorer even to this day.
So he is a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's a boy too, right? Oh, yeah.
Going to Syracuse. Yeah, yeah.
Congrats, Melo. That's a big ordeal.
Obviously, your peers think you're great. That's all you could ever really hope for.
Now, do you guys do a jacket over there in the NBA, a ring? What is it? No, there's definitely a ring. There's an orange jacket that I'm sure you guys can find a picture of somewhere.
But there is a nice ceremony. They're going to be enshrined.
There's going to be an announcement this weekend in San Antonio at the Final Four on Saturday. And then there's going to be a formal enshrinement in the fall.
Okay, well, can't wait to celebrate it all. And he headlines the 2025 Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame class.
Well-deserved, well-earned. Alright, let's talk about some other things happening around the NBA.
We just talked about Steph Curry going apeshit last night. And obviously, this Golden State team since the Jimmy Butler trade has been a different squad than it was at the beginning of the year.
What should we think about the Golden State Warriors? And are they a real threat to go win this entire thing with Jimmy Butler now on their team alongside Draymond, Steph, and the boys? Jimmy Butler wanted out of Miami? Jimmy Butler got traded? No, Sean. I didn't know that.
I didn't know that. He wanted to go to Golden State at first? Wow, this is shocking.
I'm surprised he's there. They're 18-2 with him.
And the biggest issue for the Warriors before they got Jimmy Butler was when Stephen Curry is off the floor. They were minus 60.
With Jimmy Butler in the're plus 41 I believe is the stat that is a massive difference the the impact that he has uh you know you can't put numbers to it and honestly Pat Jimmy Butler's season's coming up that's the playoffs that's when he takes his game to a whole nother level but what Steph Curry's doing right now I mean to me of course the athleticism the speed that all fades with age with time father times undefeated you guys just had LeBron James in there I know was it last week he's also taken a dip when speed and athleticism so has Steph but what both of them I think are even elevated with now is skill, smarts, IQ, and honestly, their conditioning and overall basketball acumen. I mean, and that's what Steph encouraged them right now.
I think he's just as good of a shooter now, if not better, than he's ever been. Yeah, Jimmy Butler and Steph seem to be perfect together.
Draymond and Jimmy Butler seem to be perfect together. And you think about just Draymond and Jimmy in the playoffs, that's going to be hell in a best of seven, no matter who it is.
Just dealing with, let alone playing basketball, dealing with them is going to be a problem in a series. It's going to be good to see Golden State back into the conversation.
And now all eyes with current seating are saying that we got a potential LeBron and Luka versus Steph and Jimmy in the first round. It's like, give us.
If I'm the Lakers, though, I'm trying to move up. I'm trying to get to, like, number three.
If I can play Memphis at six. You look at the stage right there.
Like, Minnesota is in position right now. The way they're surging, they look like the team that's going to be primed for the sixth seed.
But if I'm the Lakers, I'm trying to get to three and pray that Memphis can get six because that's an easier path potentially. The Warriors are going to be a problem.
Like you said, Draymond Green, dog. Jimmy Butler, dog.
These guys are go-getters. These guys, and that's the other thing.
They've bonded. They've really come together.
That was a big worry for the Warriors. How would Jimmy Butler come in and coexist? He's been perfect for them.
Draymond said on his podcast, we don't have any idea

how Shams found out. We were

at a house party, so unless

it was the people serving us drinks in the

house. And is your name Shams?

Have we been saying it wrong this entire time?

Nah, it's Shams. It's Shams.

Draymond knows that.

Come on, Draymond.

That's awesome. We like that even

more. Okay, you talked about the Lakers moving up.
Well, they would have to pass Denver. Joker just won for 61 in a triple-double.
Obviously, that's going to be a tough task. And a loss to the Timberwolves, who you've talked about, is currently surging.
On that note, D-Butt has a question for you. Yeah, it's currently surging.
But ownership has finally changed hands, going from Glenn over to Mark and A-Rod. Any more details on that? I saw you tweeted it out.
I saw the number. I know the number surprised me.
There's still 1.5 billion that they agreed to in 2021, which is crazy. I have to see what the Celtics just went for.
But any other details with this Timberwolves trade? I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah, DB, this is, I mean, it really is a trade.
It's a trade of Glenn Taylor out after 31 years of ownership, the old guard per se out, and that's something that Minnesota, that market, they've been kind of waiting for this to settle. Will it settle? How will it happen? And Mark Laurie, Alex Rodriguez, they brought this vibrant energy to that market, and they're fully invested in that market.
They have plans to build a new arena. You know, you look at, they hired Tim Connolly, the president of Bass Operations there.
He was the former president of the Denver Nuggets, who won a championship the year after he left with the team that he constructed. And now he's running things in Minnesota.
That's their guy. And what we've seen here around Anthony Edwards, around this young team, Julius Randle has played at a much higher level.
He has three straight games of 25 points, five rebounds, five assists. He's turned it around, and he's become a key member of this team, allowing them to have another playmaker with Anthony Edwards.
But it's a totally different vibe with A-Rod and Mark Laurie. And one other thing to keep an eye on, guys, they're going to work to rekindle that relationship with Kevin Garnett.
Kevin Garnett still does not have his number 21 big ticket jersey retired as a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He refused to get that retired with Glenn Taylor as an owner.
Now, I do expect that to change, and I do expect them to have some more conversations on what potential role he could have with that organization, with Alex Rodriguez and Mark Laurie moving forward. But this is big news for the league, $1.5 billion.
You have to give Glenn Taylor a shout-out. He bought the team in 1994 for $94 million.
He has now sold it, finally, for $1.5 billion. Not a bad come-up, even though it took some scraping and clawing to get here.
Yeah, certainly for Glenn Taylor, $94 million in 1994. I assume that was considered a massive amount of money.
And then he sells and becomes a billionaire with the sole sale to Alex Rodriguez and Mark Laurie. Congrats, A-Rod, by the way, former athlete in the business world.
We're obviously incredibly pumped for him for that. But that $1.5 billion number seems wild whenever you read it.
Now, this was agreed to in 2021, and obviously there was litigation. It's a heist.
Yeah, okay. It's a heist.
Could A-Rod and Mark literally put that thing up for sale right now? And they get $3 billion, I'd assume. Go ahead.
No team is selling for less than $3 billion ever again in the NBA. So just right off the bat.
That's why, a real question. There was a lot of chatter in the space.
Do they have the money? They've had the money. I said it on this show at the start of the season.
They've had almost a billion dollars sitting in escrow waiting for Glenn Taylor to cede and relinquish this so they can wire it over to him. That's still the case.
They have to do that here in the coming weeks. Then they're waiting on the Board of Governors vote, which is all expected to be a formality.
This team, right off bat, with Anthony Edwards in that market, they have control of their arena as well for the next 70 years. That's a big aspect of it.
And? And which part? What else did they get? The Minnesota Lynx. Come on.
And the Minnesota Lynx. Minnesota Timberwolves and Minnesota Lynx.
That was in the tweet, though. That was in the tweet.
Yeah. That was in the tweet.
I just want to make sure we all understand. I just want to make sure we all understand what's happening here.
Oh, don't, don't. A couple franchises.
A lot of people say stuff about us. A lot of stuff.
Just want to make sure we knew. We knew.
Congrats to the Lynx on the new ownership as well. And congrats.
Shout out the Lynx. Nafisa Collier, one of the best WNBA players out there, started Unrivaled, which I think we broke on this show.
We talked about on this show. Oh, yeah.
I watched the vinyl team play. Yeah, the vinyl and the roses.
I watched them play down there. It was good.
We were actually going to send somebody down there because we didn't see a lot of – did we? No. Not really.
No, we didn't. We actually saw the links shooting hoops yesterday on Twitter.
That was going around again. Yeah, congrats to all parties here in Minnesota, and we are happy that A-Rod is

now the owner of a team.

Because former players getting into ownership

I think is good, and if they're able to bring back

KG into the fold, that's obviously

good news for all parties.

Former player, young owner, brings a different

energy. Anytime you can

bring some youth into it, bring some energy.

Minority owner as well.

It's a big moment for the league to have Alex Rodriguez in, Mark Laurie soon to be sworn in as an owner. They need to think about just putting that thing back up for sale.
Fact. You know, they need to just think about putting it back up for sale and double their money easily, seemingly.
Is Washington selling at any point? I know Melo talked about it. Yeah, like for a pack of bubble gum, I think, is what they're saying.
No, they're really good. Would that be Bezos? Washington? Maybe.
Or even Harris. Oh yeah, Josh.
Yeah. But are you allowed to? Did he have to sell Sixers to be a part of Commanders? What about Kronk? No.
He still owns the team. Oh, you can own.
Okay. Anyways, there's people who have a lot of money these days.
And owning a sports team is like the thing for all these mega billionaires who own boats that are bigger than that boat that is rolling through the back of Shamsu's shot. They would do that.
They would buy, especially with Ant on that team, fresh out of what happened last night, Joker goes for 61 in a loss against the minnesota timberwolves

with how electrifying that atmosphere was i know it was in denver not minnesota but it's like the nba i think is in a good time right now now there's some conversation around some stars that are currently taking place connor has a question for you yeah shams uh kd and the sons unfortunately kd gets hurt feels like he might be dumb for the year they're kind of out of the playoff race right now. Saw some rumors, you know, Kevin Durant loves Boston.
Maybe he, you know, goes up there, decides, you know, might as well pass on some more knowledge to Tatum and grab a couple more rings. What are you hearing with KD? I believe it was reported that they're already trying to work out something of, you know, kind of letting KD go where he wants to go.
Which would be where? Pacers?

Which would probably be Boston, just because

Boston, you know, we're joking about

the T-Wolves selling

for one and a half billion dollars.

Hey, guess what? No other basketball team's

going for more than the Celtics, because the Celtics are our

brand, and we're talking about Kevin Garnett and the T-Wolves.

No one remembers KG from the

T-Wolves. They remember him as a Boston

Celtic, because that's where he won a championship. Just like Peyton Manning with the Colts, you only see him in a Broncos uniform.
That's because how it ended. Sure, maybe, but again, exactly.
Six million is what the Celtics went for? Yeah, 6.1, most ever. You know what, BC? I think you might end up being the most hated man in Indy today after that comment about good old Peyton Manning.
I think a lot of people in Indy, they're like, yeah, we're not happy about the way it all went down either. But nonetheless, KD going to the Celtics is crazy to think about, especially on the run that they're on.
But I guess this is a real possibility after this season. What are we hearing with KD and the Suns? Because it was my understanding that that was going to be an impossible thing to get done.
Either trade in more players to the Suns because of everything they've kind of given up to build this team or to get rid of any guys how much it would affect them kd could be moved what is the likelihood of this and how does it work out definitely could be so you look at this from a macro perspective we've seen from matt ishby the last two and a half years how aggressive he's been he has not spared any expenses he's he's clearly showing that an owner, as an NBA owner, he's willing to take multiple swings. He wants to take millions of swings at the bat to try to win a championship.
That's what he did two years ago when he went and got Kevin Durant. This iteration of this team, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, then you bring in Bradley Beal the summer of 2024, it just, or summer of 2023, it just hasn't worked out in Phoenix.
And from a holistic perspective, there's going to be changes coming to Phoenix, barring a miracle finish to the year. There's going to be a lot that they're going to have to look at to evaluate throughout the organization.
But from a roster perspective, that's going to start with Kevin Durant and potentially finding him a new home. Unlike at the trade deadline when he was almost traded to the Warriors, the Suns, Kevin Durant, they would work together on any trade.
But I can tell you guys this. Back at the NBA trade deadline, there were a list of teams that there was mutual interest with Kevin Durant and those teams from my understanding.
And that's Minnesota, that's New York, that's houston stan antonio miami okay those are the types of teams from my understanding that had interest then and i expect them all to be in the mix this off season but the biggest thing to keep an eye on for all nba fans and fans of those teams how does your team finish in the playoffs how do the playoffs go because that's going to really determine who feels like they're a Kevin Durant away. And there's going to be, they might not get what they got back or what they gave up for Kevin Durant.
You think about all the picks and the swaps, but they're going to get a pretty good haulback for a guy. He just finished his 12th year, Pat, averaging 25 points and 50% shooting.
12 consecutive seasons. I saw Tim Legler say on NBA today earlier this week michael jordan and kawhi leonard have 10 combined over the course of their careers so kevin durant's done it 12 consecutive years he's still playing an elite level uh the suns could get a haul for him this summer i expect those conversations to heat up you know really is the playoffs and into the offseason into the draft loves ball too right's kind of the thing.
He just loves ball, loves hooping through and through, loves trolling every once in a while, loves burying people on the internet every once in a while, which we respect over here at the Pat McAfee Show. But then him still being able to just shoot whenever he wants to.
I had a chance to talk to the Texas Longhorns equipment manager. KD donated a lot of money back to Texas to build them a practice facility.
And that was a place where he would work out during the off season or whatever. And the Texas equipment manager would tell me he'd be in there at like midnight or 1 a.m., whatever it is, shooting.
And he would do some shooting drill for threes. And he would stop and go back to the beginning.
He's trying to get through it. If he didn't like the sound of the swish let alone let alone just swishing every shot it was the sound of the splash would make him restart the drill or whatever so when you talk about work ethic and being meticulous about greatness like there's a reason 12 straight years you're able to accomplish something like that now he says he's not seven foot uh everybody around him says he says he's anywhere from 6'9 to 6'11 but when you're around him he's's like 7'2 or whatever.
And I don't think he wanted to be known as the 7-foot tall in the paint because when he comes into the league, vastly different story for 7-footers versus what it is now. He's obviously transformed the game, and he's obviously an inspiration.
We talked about Carmelo. KD is for a lot of guys as well.
But if he gets into his stage of his career here, going into year 13,

where he can just Ray Allen,

like all he's going to really have to do

is just kind of fucking post up.

He's going to get,

he's going to become,

he can play for 20 more years.

Yeah.

If he really wanted to.

I'm not going to say we're not going to see

the silky sweet Kevin Durant fade away,

take over a game like he did in the Olympics

for Team USA and everything like that.

But he's getting into a stage,

just like LeBron with Luka, where he can cut off ball. let me go ahead and just kind of chill.
I mean, that's dangerous. That's a dangerous thing just to add to a team like Wemby.
Wemby's going to take up a lot of attention, obviously, the way they're being built. So if KD can be attention-getter number three on a team or something, like that is that's an insane period to be in.
It's a cheat code. When when he went to the Warriors with the Splash Brothers like it was impossible because you couldn't help off those guys and now you got KD Iso and his style the style of his game to your point he can play at a very very high level for another four five years with how he's always able to create a shot with his height and his length but he has handles like that that's what kind of became the new archetype now with Chet and Wby and these long, tall guys who can actually handle the ball, shoot the ball, and you mentioned it, can play in any type of offense.
Hey, Miami. Nah, Indiana.
Beautiful. Houston makes the most sense because him and Udoka have a really good relationship from Brooklyn, and also they don't really have a KD player.
They have like Amen Thompson, who everyone is falling in love with. He's going off.
And then also Sangoon, you have Fred Van Vliet, Dylan Brooks, but they don't have a KD-esque player. Feels like you were agreeing there, Shams, whenever Connor was there? Yeah, I mean, Houston, that's a team that you have to look at.
They have the leadership, Imei Uoka. They have pieces in place.
I will say this, though. Miami really had an opportunity to go get Kevin Durant at the trade deadline this past deadline in February.
They offered Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson for Kevin Durant. You know, you up the ante a little bit.
You got to up the ante. We're talking about Kevin Durant here.
Does Kevin Durant like chocolate chip cookies or no? That I don't have access to that information. Who doesn't like...
Find me who doesn't like chocolate chip cookies. Pat Raleigh doesn't like people liking them.
Pat Raleigh doesn't like... That's the problem.
We have to... We heard it was a problem.
We have to have a cookie investigation. Big problem.
But I will say for BC, for his Celtics, there was a lot of mutual interest between Kevin Durant and the Celtics in the summer of 2022 when he asked for a trade. And I know right now you probably hate me saying this.
They offered Jalen Brown. They offered Derek White.
They offered a first-round pick. Brooklyn had said no, and they kept him, and then they ultimately traded for a haul from phoenix So it's just tough now Even if the Celtics had interest even if Kevin Durant wants to go badly to the Boston Celtics now from a cap machinations perspective They would have to trade two three players Significant players.
We're talking like guys like drew Jalen Brown poor zingas multiple guys just to get Kevin Durant. Don't make that face.
You would do that. I would never do that, but I don't know if you guys have seen Sharman, Old 55, the boy we got from Creighton last year.
He's a hooper, brother. By the way, hey, who's the G League MVP? Sean, why don't you tell the people? J.D.
Davidson. I just saw that.
J.D. Davidson.
Who's he playing for? The Maine Lobster Claws. Whatever their name is.
Whatever their name is. You guys are getting younger and better, huh? Yeah, yeah.
They might be the Maine Celtics now, though. Shout out Maine.
The Maine Lobster Claws are, dude. You have no idea.
I think maybe Bronny didn't get to play in enough games, though. That's probably why he wasn't the MVP, because he was splitting time with the Lakers and the G League.
I don't know about that. Yeah, you know, maybe that's why the lobster claw was able to get the MVP.
I mean, you don't want to see the claws break it down on defense, brother. Well, I was actually in Maine the other day.
Banger, Maine. Great place.
I stopped by Banger, Maine. Shout out to my guy, Joe.
Joe was awesome. On the plane, off the plane.
The Maine Celtics now, but they are a lobster claw away. Yeah, I mean, look, when I loved and lived and died with them, they were the lobster claws.
So what do you want from me? Yeah, you're an old school fan, of course. Excited to see what happens with KD.
Maybe he comes to the Indiana Pacers. Speaking of future players that we have a lot of vested interest in, Ty has a question for you.
Yeah, Shams, it's that time. Need another Zion update.
So, I mean, at this point, this is the fourth season where he's played 30 games or less. They're sitting him for the rest of the year.
We had the kind of narrative, not narrative, he said earlier this year, like, listen, I want to play. I'm ready to play.
They don't want me to play. We saw him get in the best shape of his life this year as well.
At what point does the rubber meet the road here? I think it's pretty evident. He needs to get out of New Orleans.
He needs a new home. So what the hell is happening? Ty, this summer I think is the moment of truth for the Pelicans and for Zion Williamson.
For Zion Williamson, we see right there, he's missed more games than he's played. We know when he's on the floor, that's the thing.
When he's on the floor, he has game-changing ability. He makes this team a contender.
This is a team, the last couple years, before he's had injuries, they're fighting for the playoffs. One year, it was either last year or the year before, they literally were like a top two or three seed in the NBA, in the Western Conference, and then he suffers a hamstring strain, and he's out for months and months and months, which is the same, you know, which has happened repeatedly.
He's had chronic hamstring injuries. So my educated, knowledge-based look at this situation is the Pelicans and Zion Williamson have to have a sit-down this summer and really get on the same page.
And I know people around Zion Williamson, they're looking out for the best in him, want to see him succeed at a really high level. And that starts with everything.
He got suspended earlier in the year for being late to a team flight. And that's not the first time he's been late.
And so the biggest thing for the Pelicans is getting him on board, getting him, getting both sides to figure out exactly where this is going to go. If this team is going to be, you know, realizing its potential because on paper, they've got a really, really talented roster.
They just have not been able to put it together, and a lot of it starts with hell. On paper, Zion, great basketball player, right? Oh, yeah.
He is elite. If he is able to put together a 65-game NBA season, he's an all-NBA player.
He's an all-star player. He's a player who, at his peak, should be competing for MVPs.
And everyone around the league knows that. It's just about can he put it together from health, from conditioning, from all of the traits that are necessary to be a leader of an NBA franchise.
That's being on time. That's being the first person in every room.
That's being the leader in practice. That's everything that we see from guys like LeBron and Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry.
And these are traits that even

guys like Anthony Edwards, they have to learn

and see, but they get there.

You know, the biggest thing is people want to

get on Luka Dacic for his conditioning

and all that. People want to get on, you know,

Edwards' maturity, things like that.

But those guys play, they compete,

and they produce at high, high levels.

We just haven't seen that from a sustained

amount of time. But the NBA is a

much better place when Zion Williamson is

on the court and he's balling out because he has the potential to be one of the best players in the league. Okay, so there's this conversation happening with the Colts too.
It takes a little bit to realize the responsibility that is placed upon you as a professional athlete, let alone professional athlete, franchise player.

What it means not only to yourself, to your teammates,

but to the fans, to the city, to the organization,

how you kind of operate.

We've been on this ride with Zion since literally the beginning.

Yeah.

Okay, like literally since the beginning.

This is the Zion.

I introed him.

Yeah, I introed Zion in one of his first games

that he played down there

because I was so upset that the Pelicans

didn't intro him last in his debut game. His debut game was on national television.
Why? Because it was Zion's debut game and they had him intro like second or third. I'm like, just give the guy the thing.
Just give him the thing. Now, since that moment until now, it has been quite a ride alongside this Zion.
He's been paid. He's been given a lot of money.
He's performed on the court in a spectacular fashion. The Pelicans have been thought about as maybe a team that could go on a run.
The Pelicans have been thought about as a team that maybe needs to sell. The Pelicans have been a team that have held him back.
The Pelicans have been a team that have promoted him. It's been a wild relationship.
And now he has a Naruto tattoo around his belly buttons. And we thought this was going to be his best go and now he's done for the season again there will be a lot of teams that would want to trade for him is that how this would go this offseason yeah yeah but like you know do you really want to trade a guy that just hasn't like it's it's also like you want to trade a guy at his peak value right like so what is really his value right now and there are teams that will trade for him a bunch of teams will trade for him if.
If the Pelicans said today our goal and our mission is to trade Zion Williamson, they can get a pretty darn solid package. But the goal for the Pelicans, as it's always been, is how do we win? The last thing you want to do is trade Zion Williamson to wherever.
LA or New York or this team, Miami, wherever. And he just skyrockets because he's able to find health.
He's able to find that maturity, find that growth in his career. They want that to come in New Orleans.
But I do believe, and people around the league do believe, both sides have to come together this summer and figure out exactly what that's going to look like. Because how it's going right now, it's not going to be sustainable for either side.
Figure it out, Donner. Good luck to that's kind of the problem they've done this every we've had this exact same conversation with shams like the last four years like these guys really need to get together this offseason and kind of figure out like how we're going to do this moving forward it's like well it ain't gonna fucking work it's not going to.
As an organization, they have decisions that they're going to have to make. We talk about the Suns evaluating everything.
The Pelicans are going to be in the same boat. They have to look at everything with the season they just had.
And you just have to swallow that pill and be like, hey, we know. We're going to trade him to the Knicks.
And then all of a sudden, he's going to be weighing like 2-30. And he's going to be excited about life again.
that's how it goes he doesn't want to be here anymore well and also to zion's you know and he said it this year for the first time ever i want to play they will not let me play because over the last four years however long it's been now is he telling anybody he wants to play like is he forced himself on the court is a whole nother conversation but in years past it appeared as if he would be healthy enough to play, but the Pelicans are like, he's not ready yet. He's not ready yet.
We need to do three on two, three on three, four on three, four on four, five on four, five on five, five on one, five on two. Like, it was just always something coming out of your mouth from the Pelicans organization on why we can't get this guy on the court for the games.
Like, well, he needs to get in better shape. It's like, well, what better way to get in better shape than to play in these games? They were looking out for him.
Now he has a bone bruise in his back. Like, all right.
Zion, let's go, Pelican Zion. Come on now.
We need you. He's electrifying.
Big time. Without a doubt.
Awesome to watch. Maybe.
Have him come play for the Pacers. Now, speaking of health, there is a much more serious convo taking place.
Go ahead, Tone. Yeah, the Pacers.
Have him come play for the Indiana Pacers. Yeah, I mean.
Zion Deanna alongside. This is not the spot.
You sure you want him? This is not the city for Zion. Yeah, you sure you want him? Not in this city? What are we talking about? Every menu is just deep fried thing after deep fried thing.
You love Buka de Bapo. It's not a Bukaho.
There's a Bucca de Bapho down there in New Orleans as well. I mean, Hallie would make life amazing for a guy like that.
I'm just looking for a straight back. Zion walks into one Fazzellini's, and he's not leaving without a bucket of breadsticks.
Piping hot. Yeah, but Coach Carlisle will have him on that court the next day.
I hope you had fun with your Italian at Bucca de Papo and Fazzolini's and all the other fast food joints that test in Indiana. Bingo.
Which is accurate. Yeah.
We have every fast food chain in America in Indianapolis, Indiana, because I think we are a test city. Hey, if those fucking fat shows in the Midwest, love it, everyone will.
That's kind of what it feels like. It is.
So maybe you're right. The number he would do.
Where do you want them to go then? Where do you want Zion to go to? Look, and I don't want to sound like a homer, but I think he'd be Graham Bucs. Okay.
All right, let's talk about more health stuff. Tone has a question for you, Sean.
Yeah, let's talk about a team that could play the Pacers in the playoffs. They are the sixth seed in the East right now.
The Milwaukee Bucks one game behind the Detroit Pistons. Dame Lillard, I believe it was last week that came out that he has blood clots in his right calf.
I believe deep vein thrombosis is the term to be exact. Do we have any updates on Dame? Is there a chance that he gets back this season? Because I know he's out indefinitely.
Yeah, there is a chance. There's optimism.
And with blood clots, usually it's an extended absence. It's a month-long absence.
But I'm told his treatment started early. They identified kind of what it was.
They started him on treatment. Then they finally got the diagnosis back.
He's had doctor appointments every single week to gauge how that blood clot looks in that calf.

My understanding is doctors are encouraged by where it's at. They see that that blood clot is actually lowering.
It's decreasing. It's diminishing.
And he's doing some light workouts right now. he's hopeful to get cleared here in the next week, week and a half

to go full go, contact

and then resume basketball

and play in games for the Milwaukee Bucks. So that is good news though.
The doctors are going in. They're seeing that that blood clot is actually diminishing in his right calf.
We'll see if he's going to be able to make it back. That's going to be a fluid situation, but a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure.
It is Dane time in Milwaukee, right? A lot of pressure on that organization and how they can compete. How can they win in the playoffs? Can they get by in the first round? They've been losing in the first round in the last few years, and when you have a team with Giannis and DiCumpo, Damian Lillard, two top 75 all-time greatest players, with Doc Rivers as your coach on a four-year, $40 deal, that's just not going to cut it.
And we know Giannis has come out. He has said, I want to be somewhere where we're pursuing championships.
I'm told every summer he's going to look at, where am I going to get the best long-term sustained winning? Will that be in Milwaukee? We'll see. Okay.
Last question for me because you brought up Giannis and everything like that. We didn't see.
Did Shams say anything about what LeBron said? I didn't know. It was radio silent.
Do you think Giannis could score 250 points in a game in the 1970s or no? That's a lot of points. That's a lot of points.
I mean, at some point, there's got to be some hard fouls given. 250? What are We're talking like We're talking like a 270 to like 200 point game? What are we talking about? You'd be saying that Giannis is not going to be on defensive end as well.
I don't know. I've been watching a lot of 1970s film.
I'm hearing a lot of people talk about the All-Stars and the Hall of Famers from the 1970s, but the league was a lot of teams, right? Yeah, a lot of teams teams i don't think lebron ever said against a team of all-stars from the 1970s just said uh in a game i mean in the 1970s 50 is a lot we'll see we'll see that that interview pat i've never seen lebron james give an interview like that before and talk the way he's talked and uh it was refreshing to see i agree that was so cool And we assume you were a part of putting in positive words for him to come join us, just like we told Rich, and I assume there was many others that were like telling him that we would, I think he watches the show though, so what up, Ron? And would like to let him know, ever since then, only shoes I'm wearing, bronze. Boom! Only wearing Bryce, at least I could do.
At least I could do for what he did for us. We appreciate the hell out of you, Shams.

Thank you for joining us.

Anything else we should chat about?

We talked about, I mean, we got to say,

Nikola Jokic, what he did last night, 61 points.

That triple-double, this stat line is crazy.

I know everyone saying Shea Gills Alexander

is running away with MVP.

I mean, everyone around the league believes

he's going to end up winning MVP, but Jokic is doing. Everyone says all he wants to do is hang out with his horses.
Clearly, he loves the game of basketball. Clearly, he's devoted to the game of basketball.
And I actually believe his confidence with the game. He came in as an unheralded second-round pick.
I don't know where he got the confidence to do what he's doing right now, becoming one of the best players, potentially, of all time. He reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, too.
How calm he is, stoic he is. He doesn't care about media.
He doesn't care about attention. He just wants to dominate, win championships, and I guess chill with his horses.
How about the other day where he takes a Euro step? Oh, man. And just flicks in a three.
It's not a three. It's insane.
Three quarters of the court. Yeah.
Three quarters scored three. And then they start, and then people are like, did you see this one? He did that shit before.
Oh, yeah. It's like this.
And it's just like Luka. When we watch Luka just throw it at the hoop, it's like, oh, it's very clear all these dudes did growing up was just get buckets.
Like, that is very. Dribble probably by themselves, wherever.
Jim Rats. Durek, like, he didn't like the sound of the swish.
Like, there's a legit Jim Ratt. And the thing I love about Joker, too, is, like, he plays.
Like, I think he subbed in, like, midway through the second quarter yesterday and played the whole – 40 straight percent. Yeah, didn't come out of the game.
So, I love that about him. Just the dogs show up every night.
We appreciate the hell out of you, Sean. Just the dog.
Appreciate you guys.

The association's in a good spot.

As are you, ladies and gentlemen, Sean Sharanya.

There you go.

Yeah, that Euro step.

Awesome.

Splash and then just walks off.

Yeah, he's so good.

Just no emotions at all.

Just see you later.

I love, you know, they talk about Barry Sanders scored a touchdown,

gave a ball, the ref walked away.

Yeah.

It's like, I appreciate that Barry Sanders did that.

Barry Sanders scored a lot of touchdowns, you know? So I assume at one point it did just become kind of routine to do that. Joker's never had any outer moxie.
No. Something great happens, nothing.
Remember, they won the championship, and he was pissed that they had a parade. Yeah.
And then he found out about the parade. He goes, I didn't know I want parade.
Now I do parade. I want parade.
And he's hammered drunk in front of the crowd. It's like, that's the most we've ever seen him seemingly enjoy himself.
First day of media day, whenever teams have to report, just moping in, shoes untied, sitting down, watching his horses finish a race in another another country and like you got to go take photos okay go take the pictures and then just what from game one all the way through game 82 just absurd insanity highlight reel after highlight reel for that denver team and not one time do you ever hear him go like who can do that nobody else Nobody else other than me. Not once.
No. And it's like that's a good thing because you have a humble superstar.
I think the bad thing is nobody really knows he exists, you know, because he is story number four in the West Coast. He should be number one.
This guy's unbelievable. Yeah, and what's sweet is that he's an absolute dog.
Like all the cut-ups of him talking shit, like if someone were to bump him or anything like that, no he's turning around and he is looking down on that guy and of course we all remember the marquise morris you know shove from behind that was like yeah then we're introduced to his brothers if you've shopped online chances are you've bought from a business powered by shopify you know that purple shop pay button you see at checkout the one that makes buying so incredibly easy that's Shopify and there's a reason Thank you. We'll be right back.
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Sports! Bad D. Darius J.
Butler's. That's a cool onesie.
That's a cool onesie. I appreciate that.
That is a very cool, cool suit. Do you? Sweatsuit.
Yeah. You look very cool.
You look very sweet. You too.
I like that blue. Thank you.
Yeah, it's pretty. Yeah, thank you.
You know, I don't like the tightness at the bottom. Sure.
These things. By the end of the show, I'll probably be cutting the sides.
No, don't cut that. Yeah, it's a good look.
Yeah, I don't like when it rides up, especially when you're building plug which was going to lead to to me saying this the way foxy's built he's built like a mannequin you know he's built like a mannequin so he can walk into a store whatever's on a mannequin fox you give me that mannequin give me that mannequin and i'll take that mannequin as well that's exactly what i do bingo that is foxy's bill move foxy can lift every morning for two hours and he could also eat every morning for three hours and it's not going to change anything that is how foxy is built he's an h&m mannequin 100 so he looks super cool all the time well you different build than foxy but certainly can wear anything that's in am magazines because of how ripped and jacked you are even if you have i don't know six seven flapjacks every single morning. Or French toast after the show or whatever the case.
Every once in a while. So I appreciate you.
Every day is a cheat day seemingly for you. It's okay.
It's like the hot chief here and there. Okay.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't want to disrespect anybody.
But I appreciate you taking advantage of the fact that you can dress as cool as you can dress. You know, the way you're built.
You can look. You can wear tight hoodie, onesie, and it looks so cool.
I put that thing on. That thing's riding up to here.
That thing's doing the entire science. So I just want to let you know, every time I say you look cool, I mean it.
You look very cool. I appreciate it.
I haven't worn a onesie yet. That is a onesie.

Actually, a lot. The day we were, where were we?

One of the games we were standing next to.

Oh, the top guns too.

That was a onesie. It was a uniform.
What's up?

Rest in peace.

Actually, joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion

Ryder Cup winner, A.J. Hawk.

A.J., we're about to have a moment of silence for Val Kilmer. I very much understood that you would want to be a part of that, so let's do that.
Thank you for your service to society and providing entertainment and being an actual badass, you know. And the moment between he and Tom in Maverick, Top Gun, obviously very emotional and everything like that.
Val Kilmer has passed away. Moment's silence.

Moment's passed.

Rest in peace, boys.

And with death comes new life, you know.

Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney are knocking boots, as they say.

We're not getting into that.

We are not getting into that.

Now it's not. No way.
No way, brother. No way.
That is nowhere near where... But I did see she potentially called off her way.
Call Glenn. They were spotted eating lunch together.
Might as well call them. I kind of assume they have been together.
I know they didn't move together like they've been together Yeah we're not getting into it We're not getting into it It's the number one trend in the fucking world Okay We will not allude to it or talk about it Okay Now Glenn Powell is maybe the most handsome human eye in these eyes. Oh, by far.
I've ever seen. Ripped.
Jacked. So cool.
Yeah. Like football.
Funny. Charming.
Got so much mox. Hung like a horse.
All right. You're talking about his work ethic is that of a horse.
He is a workhorse. He has like six movies out right now.

I understand what you're saying.

But every time you chase him,

every time we've been around him,

there's an aura of like,

wow, what is this?

He's magnetic.

He is.

That's why he's the next big movie star.

Already a big movie star.

That's right.

And if he has found happiness in his personal life,

we are happy for him.

Absolutely.

We did not make up.

No, tabloids are running with that right now.

Sure looks like he's found

more than happiness.

Alright. Shout out Val.

Ladies, what's that? Shout out Val.

Shout out Val. Shout out Val for everything you did.

Rest in peace. And congrats

to Glenn Powell on all the success as well.

And looking in the mirror and seeing that. That has to be has to be so cool like he's gonna be Chad Powers right yes and they had to put makeup on and make him look terrible that's the last time he's ever gonna do that that was probably so much fun for him to look in the mirror and be like ew and walk away you know he's one of those guys that has never has no idea what a filter is on a photo always wanted want to take a picture with that guy on your phone, not his.
You know, because there's nothing to be changed there, brother. I mean, it never will be.
That guy is unbelievable. Speaking of change, you know, that drive to survive changed a lot of people's lives via Netflix.
It was some of the greatest content that we have seen in the sports world. It actually took a sport that's tough to be a fan of and made it a sport that a lot of people are a fan of.
Ain't that correct, Darius? Oh, yeah, I cannot wait for the Japanese Grand Prix this week. Okay, exactly.
Drive to Survive introduced Darius Butler to not only the sport of F1, but also the people behind it. You've seen this in many other sports now, and the newest sport is about to be released on April 22, 2025 on Netflix.
You'll be able to see Race for the Crown,

which is coming to Netflix now, a world premiere of their teaser.

You got to be wired a little bit differently

to hop on top of a thousand pound animal

and run 40 miles per hour with an ambulance chasing you. We do a very dangerous sport.
American racing revolves around the Triple Crown. There are trainers, jockeys and the owners.
There is unbelievable money in this game. I just forced my way in.
Get on the road!

And I'm not leaving.

Some people look at us like we've lost our minds.

Mike Ropoli spends 20 plus million dollars a year on horses.

You're in your little Twitter feud.

Just Mike's loud mouth and I get tired of.

Oh yeah!

Oh yeah! I expect trainers to put the horse in the best position to win. A good horse will take you all over the world.
Hard part's fine in a top horse. Trainers will be firing one jockey, hiring another.
It's cutthroat. There's not much loyalty.
Make me look good, will you? Cars, motorbikes, you can press the brake. Horse racing, you can't.
See? I wasn't ready to retire. Actual race.
I'd rather die on a horse than die of boredom. If you can win the Triple Crown, you're in the history books.

You're a legend.

Tough trip right there.

Wow!

Obviously, the price money is huge.

And there's a chance for the world to see who's really the best.

Wow!

Cut him down! All right, congratulations. Good training.
That's going to be good. So obviously, as you saw there, you'll meet all the big personalities that drive the sport.
Everybody from the trainers and the jockeys to the owners, the series will an inside look at the high stakes quest to win across the prestigious triple crown congratulations to them i assume that's going to make more fans and if you're just a reality show fan looks like we're getting access so i saw private playing i think i saw a couple bugattis out there i saw some drama i saw some twitter accounts saw some memes and then i heard a, what? Yeah, I'd rather die out here than anywhere else. Go ahead and strap me onto a horse and let me run this thing.
So, I'm pumped up about it. I think this is going to be good, AJ.
Yeah, I mean, that trailer definitely has everything you need. You see the, it looks like they have characters.
If you have characters within a sport, and obviously the horses and jockeys, that's cool, but the owners look like they're the ones that they hopefully focus on a lot.

They're feuds, too.

I want to see them fight behind the scenes.

Bruce Brown in the back.

He is a former horse owner, I do believe, in the horse world,

which is a fascinating thing to have him around us,

especially whenever he's giving out picks.

And, yeah, you know.

Uh-huh.

You know how those.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

You certainly do.

Baffert being in this is a big deal, right? That's the big takeaway from this particular teaser that we should really dive into? Yeah, no, this is going to be awesome. I think it's cool that it's focusing.
Obviously, the Kentucky Derby is really popular, but the road to the Derby, there are all these qualifying races where the big ones, you get 100 points for first, 50 points for second. Some of the smaller ones, 50 points for first, 25 for second to get into the derby but yeah like you said bob baffert's back from a a three-year suspension for um the kentucky derby winner medina spirit being on like anti-inflammatory drugs he has one horse locked into the derby this year citizen bull he has another horse barnes who needs to outright win the santa anita derbyby on Saturday to make it into the Kentucky Derby.
And a third horse, Rodriguez, who he shipped to Aqueduct for the Wood Memorial, which Secretariat famously lost. He needs to finish first, second, or third to make it in.
So possible that Baffert has at least three horses in, maybe four horses running in this Kentucky

Derby, his first back off of a three-year suspension.

That was the ass lotion?

It was like an anti-inflammatory drug.

The guy peed in the hay.

Yeah.

That was that one.

Well, like humans take it for like eczema and stuff, I think, but horses, it's for like

osteoporose.

It was a lotion, right?

Wasn't it a lotion, if I recall, not an injection?

I believe so, yeah.

So it's like trace amounts where we were in Medina Spirit's blood.

Okay. I cannot wait to watch that.

How's McAfee doing?

McAfee finished 8th at Aqueduct.

They were pointing him towards the Wood Memorial

this weekend. I don't know if they

canceled the plans because he finished 8th,

but I can look into that.

How many?

They shoot him and hit?

You can't have a bad day in horse racing if you're a horse. McAfee earned a bad day.
I don't know. They were going to run him next weekend.
It was tough to make excuses for him. It wasn't that hard of a trip or anything.
I hope they show that. Never really fired.
What do you mean never really fired? I don't know if that's going to be on the entirety of it all, but obviously with horse racing does come some horses passing.

In the past, I think a little bit quicker and louder than maybe in the current present.

But that is a real thing.

I do wonder if they'll cover that because that is a big talking point of people

that are not in the horse racing world.

For instance, everybody in here, their first thought,

whenever we heard McAfee got an eighth and was supposed to run, they're no longer longer running them everybody's first thought that is not in the horse racing world immediately is like no i'm in silence that's the first that's the first thought but instead bruce uh isn't it different now in 2025 and do you think they will address that during this entire thing well yeah i mean he's two and a half three years old so you know he's certainly not gonna just end his career because he finished eighth trying to get to the kentucky derby he had a good run that's early that's an early exit anyways we'll see if they cover that but they need to know that that is the first thought that everybody has bruce your amount of knowledge there was phenomenal yeah That was really good. So during COVID, when there were no sports, I got really into the road to the Derby, and it actually is awesome, like the qualifiers and all the horses on the bubble, Baffert finding himself on the bubble here is interesting because he would normally never have a horse in the Wood Memorial at Aqueduct.
He's a California trainer, but because he has three and he needs the points to get him in in he had to ship him to aqueduct and ship the jockey and everything across the country as well uh co-executive producers tim stamper and jordan bogdanovich uh from box to box making this good luck yeah another cool thing would be like not watching it i bet aj would like to but like the stud fees of all the horses that actually i bet that is addressed in there i'm sure yeah i bet that is addressed in there because that's a massive part of the business you know you get a horse that wins sure oh mike uh who's also funding the saint john's team and also um uh that mike guy he's with tom right with oh i think so yeah uh pela the pellegrino guy uh mike rapoli body armor and i think he's doing some stuff's doing some stuff with Tom. Yeah, Noble.
He's done that whole thing. He spends that $20 million a year or whatever.
It's like a scratch-off. You're trying to hit because if you hit, then all of a sudden you're literally collecting cash off of every single load.
Forever. Forever from that particular horse.
Interesting game. I tried to follow along with it.
AJ, you're at the Kentucky Derby every single year, noted publicly. It's like, I don't know how much you know about the horse racing business.
Feel like we're going to learn a lot, and it feels like we're going to hit more bets because of this. So, thank you to them.
Oh, we're going to learn a lot. I don't know much.
People love to claim like they know a lot, and they can handicap, and they can tell you what's going to happen. It seems like it's a tough business to try to be a handicapper in horse racing, but hopefully we get to see Jim Rome a little bit on this series.
Do we know? He's a huge horse guy. Okay, I hope so.
I hope Jim Rome. I did not expect Jim Rome to be a big horse guy.
He is. Okay, welcome to the jungle.
I hope they go over there. Rapsheet, also a massive horse person.
Obviously, Portnoy, big horse person.

So the amount of people that they could have that go to these races and always are so suited and booted,

maybe A.J. Hawk and Aaron Rodgers will find their way in the race for the crown.

Speaking of hard jobs, general manager in the NFL is obviously a difficult one.

How about if you're going into a place trying to transform it back to its glory days

in a brand new city, basically?

Las Vegas Raiders general manager John Spitek spoke to NFL's serious

Thank you. How about if you're going into a place trying to transform it back to its glory days in a brand new city, basically? Las Vegas Raiders general manager John Spitek spoke to NFL's Sirius XM radio down at the owner's meeting and had this to say about their draft pick.
Yeah, my oldest son has made it no secret that if we don't pick Ashton Gentry at six, that he's walking out of the family and he's going to find somebody else. Probably whoever takes Ashton.
I think he's motivated by... He's a free agent for fandom right now.
That's hilarious. Jack is motivated by fantasy football and touchdowns in fantasy football.
Not necessarily all of team building, but we're working. I love that my son loves the draft process at 10 years old and maybe he's starting to fall in love with the scouting process.
I hate it a little bit too because I know the life that he's signing up for, but the passion he has and he walked right into our building and basically told mark davis like if we if my dad doesn't take ash and genti he's doing a bad job is he in there buzzing film with you when you're watching genti no he goes on youtube and he watches it himself so you know yeah i know i mean he jack those are highlights you know they're you gotta watch all the complete game yeah don't be swayed by highlights donnie you were talking about culture earlier source by the way that's funny your agent okay i was also with the same agency so we have the same we have the same agent you just didn't know that okay uh so his agent sean it sounds like or the co-host sean uh found out that spy tech's boy really likes what he sees from ashton jenty and how could you not after watching what he did at boise state but a lot of people are saying this means that's who they're taking or whatever Rememberk's boy really likes what he sees from Ashton Gentry, and how could you not after watching what he did at Boise State? But a lot of people are saying this means that's who they're taking or whatever. Remember Shane's boy we saw in Hard Knocks offseason, he was looking for Jane Daniels, I believe.
Kids can have a little differing opinion than their dad, but right now, team to draft Ashton Gentry, Las Vegas Raiders, current odds, plus 100. And is that because of what Spitek said in that particular interview, or has this always been the eyes on spot for Ashton? He has been mocked to the Raiders in literally every single mock that I've seen, whether it's Kuyper or Daniel Jeremiah or Field Yates, it doesn't matter.
They don't have a running back. I don't even know if they have one on the roster.
And it just feels like that would just be the smart place the the easy place just to slot him in in a mock draft tom brady understands the uh crucial position that is a running back ashen genti was so fun to watch aj in college so if you see his pro day stuff even like his pro day and how he moves through the cones and drills like he's so compact a dude like that is so difficult to tackle. There's no easy way to tackle.
He is absolutely stacked. Absolutely stacked.
These little jump cuts, like these jump cuts that he makes, and then he's downhill. Good luck getting him down.
Remember, it was week two. Boise State took on Oregon.
It was a tough game for Oregon. Everybody thought, oh, this Oregon team's not good.
And then the Boise State team continued to play. It's like, oh, Boise State's real deal.
Oh, Ashton Gentry might be the best player in all of football I mean this dude was phenomenal obviously offensive line was good but then they talk about him as a human you know Chuck Pagano lives out there Chuck Pagano former member of this program that's Pittsburgh Steelers fan Tony Diggs thoughts not mine he's back in coaching with the Ravens he lives in Bo. And he was talking about how the year before this past season, obviously, he was the guy.

The year before that, he was still the best player in football.

And a lot of people wanted him.

And all he wanted to do was finish the job with his Boise State teammates.

Obviously, they had to pay him to keep him there in the NIL world. But the way he treats everybody, they talk about him just being a certified pro day one.

You get in there.

If you got somebody like that, definitely draft him.

It's like if you knew Adam Vinatieri was going to have a 25-year career the way that he did and you took him in the first round, how would you feel about that? At the time, you'd look like an idiot. And then if he had a 25-year career of being the guy, people would be like, not bad, not a bad investment.
If you know Ashton Gentry is a pro off the field, which is what everybody says, and you can tell by his film, he's going to be able to run the ball. And we're in the world where running the ball matters more now than ever.
Why not Ashton Gentry in the first round early? And I hope it happens for him. By all accounts, everybody loves him.
Well, and everyone having him go to the Raiders, it feels like it almost makes you think that he's not going to the Raiders. That's where I'm at in the entire draft process.
But especially with Russell Wilson, you go into the Giants, that feels like all of a sudden if Shadur is available at a four, because obviously the Jags and the Patriots are at four and five and they're not taking a quarterback. And Brady has talked a lot about having a young quarterback sit behind a veteran quarterback to learn a bunch.
And I'm not sure if Geno Smith has signed a big extension with the Raiders or what his contract looks like. But that Shadur Raiders connection feels like that might start to gain a little traction as we get closer if he's going to be available.
The draft is so unpredictable. It is.
It's so unpredictable. It's crazy, man.
Hey, so is free agency. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, friend of the program, currently the reigning sack king of the NFL.
Obviously, he's a third-rounder from FAU back in the day. He's an all-pro, four-time pro bowler.
He's played for the Saints and the Bengals. He's going into year nine, and I do believe this morning he was ripping some lips out there at sea.
Ladies and gentlemen, Trey Hendricks. Yay, Trey! Hey, how you guys doing? Appreciate you having me.
Hey, before we get into the football talk, we have this photo that you sent me from this morning. What type of fish is that? And how many of these did we pull out of the water this morning? That's a redfish.
We were pulling them out as fast as we could reel them in. It was a great day beautiful morning in jacksonville florida so i'm incredibly blessed redfish what color blind we're just naming fish now yeah because like the the the fruit the orange that makes sense because it is orange you see that that's it was it a bad lighting is the fish normally Thank God it's not my.
It's not my job But yeah, no, it's it's a it's a red drum I was a heck of a fight, you know, and it was it was so fun to reel in so We'll have to I have to get out there sometime because it's incredible Are you out at sea there or are we close am I getting seasick while this is happening? No, I I pulled back in the driveway about 20 minutes ago So it was a it was a full day out there um you know my buddy pat took me out and it was it was amazing so good irish lad taking you out there getting you a little red blue bowl of fish you know that is uh that's good morning congrats to you on getting the big fish yeah congrats you on getting the big fish now let's talk about your world that you're in we haven't spoke to you since radio row reached out to chitchat with you because owner of the team uh that you are currently employed by in play for uh miss katie blackburn who is running the cincinnati bangles had this to say yesterday from the owners meetings to kelsey conway i think he should be happy at certain rates that maybe he doesn't think he'd be happy at blackburn said said. I think some of it is on him to be happy at some point.
And if he's not, you know, that's what holds it up sometimes. So, you know, it takes him to say yes to something.
And also, we have all the respect in the world for him. He's been a great player.
We're happy to have him. And so maybe we'll find a way to get something to work.
We're just going to see where it goes. And then I think she reiterated a fact about I don't know what's going to happen here.
We didn't think they were going to be able to get the T Higgins and Jamar Chase deals done. Obviously your deal was being lumped in there because you're a defensive end, you're the sack king and you are due money as well.
So whenever you hear that from the ownership, what do you think immediately? Did you know that she said that? And what is currently happening at this time with you as a cincinnati bangle trey well uh first off yesterday was april fool so i was traded to all 31 teams and had like 100 different contracts so um the one thing i was hoping that wasn't april fool's joke was that article but um called my agent uh found out it was not um you know and that was a little disappointing because communication has been poor over the last couple of months. You know, that's something that I hold in high regard.
You know, they have not communicated with my agent directly. It's been something that's been a little bit frustrating.
But again, this is the business of it. You know, I'm incredibly blessed to be in the NFL.
you know, and I'm excited to be a Bengal, right. You know, to, to have a year, right.
That I have, um, you know, remaining on my contract. We can get into that real quick last year and the year before I've been talking about, um, long-term contract guaranteed money, things like that.
Um, you know, and it was discussed with me in a meeting, which i'm very fortunate to have had with my agent that we would get something done this year um so that being said last year go out and play play to the level you have we'll get it done um that was communicated with me so that basically you know this year is going to get worked on uh they also reiterated that at the combine so So that just kind of clears the air on that. And moving forward, the happiness of my camp, you know, they're more than welcome to call me.
I've had my cell phone, same cell phone number since high school. Open line of communication is always open with me and my agents.
So if they have anything they'd like to discuss, we've been nothing but um willing to listen okay so you hit on a lot there and thank you for doing that obviously sounds like you love the bangles just like you reiterated at radio row now what you said there has been not a lot of communication what do you mean by that because i think a lot of us would assume after the t and jamar deal get done and then they're saying well they're hoping for a clean sweep with trey Hendrickson, I believe was reported by multiple insiders. We assumed that I was moving to you to get your deal done.
When was the last time, are you guys currently in the middle of negotiation or conversation or how does it stand in that particular aspect? Well, I mean, whenever we have something to resolve in my family, my wife and I, we discuss it and we get to the point where we know we're reaching a decision. You know, and I've been open and transparent about however it looks for me in Cincinnati or not.
I want the Bengals to benefit from that. And through this process, you know, communication, when I say it's been poor, it's been like here and there, you know,

and respect to Jamar and Tee.

I don't want to take anything away from all the great things they've accomplished

in their careers.

They deserve everything that they've gotten.

And no doubt in my mind, they're going to excel in the National Football League.

I have a tremendous respect for both of them.

But when it comes to my situation, it would have been nice to know, you know, in some ways like, hey, we're going to put you in the queue. No problem with me.
My wife and I try to be as humble as possible as Christ loving people. So we don't we don't have any desires of being highest paid or first in line.
We try to be as patient as possible. But when you have things like O's coming um and guys like sam hubbard who's in a tremendous captain uh for our team last year that leaves a vacancy for that and i'm excited to fill that but how do we reach that before we get there and um those are the things that matter when you're talking about a super bowl it's in the little things in the little details okay so on a question for you.
Yeah, and I want to be clear. I'm coming from an incredibly biased standpoint as a former Colt and a Colts fan that, you know, I'm sure 31 other teams feel the same way.
We want you to get your money, be happy, and be respected. So figure it out.
Obviously, you say you're happy to be a Bengal. But with that in mind, you talked about OTAs, minicamp, training camp.
We know you're a football player first and foremost, a professional one at that. Do you have a deadline in mind where you want this to be done with either with the bangles or where you reach a point you say okay it's june 1st whatever let's get a trade figured out do you have a deadline a deadline in mind that's a great question uh i think three years ago i began to ask for a long-term contract with guaranteed money uh so those deadlines have kind of just all been a blur.
I've just been hunting quarterbacks. So at this point, it is what it is.
I don't know if I can put a timestamp on it. And that's where to read what I read yesterday was confusing.
It's my decision. I would have been willing to sign um three years ago two years ago and this year um it was communicated with me that we would get something done this year um and also like it reiterated with duke's comments at the uh combine so um i kind of treat it like a house now so like house values have gone up um you know it's it's the cost of living and you know in some ways, life continues to go forward.
I know I'm a football player. I'm training to be the best Trey Hendrickson I can be.
However that looks and whatever team, we can address that. Ripping lips in the morning, doing big time dips in the afternoon.
We're hunting quarterbacks around here. We're Trey Hend and uh we assumed that you know especially after reading that comment from her and then listening what duke said at the combine and then listening to you at radio row it's like okay this deal is going to get done it feels like this deal is going to get done especially with darius's point where he said i'm incredibly biased like we at the colts here especially a lou anarumo formerly of the cincinnati bangles out defense quarter's like immediately, yeah, we need a guy that would be able to.
There's a lot of teams that feel that way. I assume the Bengals understand that.
So you would think they'd want to get a deal done. Let's hope, you know, communication starts.
It's either here or let's go ahead and profit off of how great Trey Hendrickson is. Now, Connor has a question for you, Trey.
Yeah, Trey, New England's another one of those teams, but when Katie Blackburn says, you know, he should be happy at, you know, certain rates, does she mean like a specific rate that they have kind of communicated to you about a possible extension, or is she talking about the current deal that you are on right now? Like, what do you think she meant when she said, you know, he should be happy at certain rates and some of it you know is on you uh well full transparency you know i'm not going to go into all the details but like there are things that uh i'm willing to do i'm willing not like to budge on i don't think i want to play for incentives that will be out of my control um i don't think i want to play for a short-term contract and see where it goes.

I would like to tell my wife, here's where we're going to live. Here's where we're going to build a family together.
And some of those things come from what I've been able to do on the football field. I like that to do the talking for me.
I stay out of it with all the trade stuff. I stay out of it with all the contract stuff.
and really these things that get me to do these things,

I would prefer not to address these things with the media But again, if i'm hearing from x or twitter or whatever it's called On details on my contract that aren't privy to me or happiness that i'm not feeling under certain situations it's can say respect, but respect is something that I have for Zach Taylor, and I take that approach every day, being on time, communicating with him, and telling him that, yes, sir, I'm going to do the right things, and all those things. And there's a mutual respect.
You know, just say the word respect and then um actions are speaking a lot louder in a different direction uh it's disappointing okay so as you know as somebody who has been in the nfl a long time hasn't turned down a meeting with miles garrett like three weeks ago and then they gave him 40 million and you know daniel hunter gets a deal done and tj watt and micah and you are all on the board so it feels like that's an easy deal to kind of get done and if i were you as the sack king looking around these other deals that are taking place multiple years left on contracts i don't even know if these guys have been promised like hey we'll take care of it next off season like you were saying you were sitting in a meeting and were promised feels like an easy deal to get done and you saying i would like would like to have, you know, not an incentive based contract that is out of my control. Like those are team based deals or whatever the case is.
Like who knows what's going to happen there. You've earned the right to have that.
And also to be able to tell your wife, like, Hey, we're going to be here for at least the next five years. This is probably it for us.
This is the last big contract. You've earned that right as well.
So I don't think you're out of pocket for saying any of these things. And the Bengals understand that as well.
It just feels like maybe there needs to be a little bit of a nudge in this entire situation of either sign or let him go blossom in Indianapolis, Indiana. Beautiful lake.
Or Green Bay. Or New England.
There's good fishing out here in Indiana. AJ has a question for you, Trey.
Yeah, Trey, have you guys, over the course of this time whenever like you said you've been for three years you've been trying to work on this and you thought something would get done has there been an outline of a deal ever out there like how close have you guys gotten how far have you kicked that can down the road as far as what it may look like if you do get a contract from cincinnati well like i said my wife and i like you know one of primary apps I use on my phone is Zillow. So it's a good comparison, right? So three years ago, it was the Rashawn Gary and the Montez Sweats.
You know, those guys were balling out. And then the next year, it was the Brian Burns and the Josh Allen deals.
And it was like, you know, they were balling. And now it's getting to the point where guys with two years left on their deals, Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, guys with one year left on their deal, Danil Hunter, myself and TJ.
And obviously, Micah Parsons, he's an incredible athlete as well. Like, I just see that that's the street, right? We're on the D-end National Football League street.
The market value for that is going up like it did for wide receiver last last year and where I fit in that road is all up to discretion and things like that so we're willing to talk about those things but with the market continuing to go up I'm not going to apologize for that because I've been basically asking for the same thing every year to be solidified as a Cincinnati Bengal for life yeah and you say you don't want to talk about where you live on that particular street you're at the end of the cul-de-sac brother yeah you're at the end of the car that's the sack King that's the sack King he's got that baby face that's right you know he's got that baby face and he's normally super quiet mm-hmm we'll read XO it sounds like he will yeah I will understand what's going on around here. My dad a little bit more than me, but yeah, he sends me all the things I need to be up to date with.
You said your dad? Yeah, my dad dabbles. I'm trying to get him off the phones, but it is what it is.
That's awesome. Beast.
My mom had to delete the Twitter X app from her phone because she was living on there. And anytime anybody said something me she wanted to come out she was like i don't want to embarrass anybody okay i've been

told i'm not allowed to respond so she deleted the entire app had to and i'm gonna have my dad

delete it here soon i'm telling you like it's just getting well tim mcfee won't delete the app and i

know that tim mcfee has certainly had a bunch typed up and then for one reason or another i'm not

gonna send it not gonna send it i guess not today it's it's tough especially you know and that's why

I'm going to go it, I guess. Not today.
It's tough. And that's why this, yeah.
Nonetheless, your dad being like, did you hear what the Bengals said today? They respect you. That's a funny little narrative in this entire thing.
Ty has the last question for you here, Trey. We appreciate your time.
Yeah, Trey, I know you said you don't really want to speculate and you haven't got into much about a trade stuff, but you told us at Radio Row, hey, if nothing is able to get worked out, I still do. I love Cincinnati.
I want the Bengals to be able to benefit from this, whether that's draft picks or whatever the case may be. With the draft being about three weeks away, do you get any inclination that if nothing is able to get done, that a pre-draft trade is possible or has it been one of those things because there has been so limited communication that you still really have no idea on that front either well you hit the nail on the head on one of those points and that's like you know i have prepared my family for um if we're not there is that you know something we're willing to do and and, my wife has been so great, you know, and she's so supportive that whatever it looks like, the Lord will guide us and where we're supposed to go.
So, you know, it's an interesting dilemma.

You know, this is a very unique experience for me and my family.

But at the end of the day, we're incredibly blessed to be in a situation where we're talking about leading league in sacks and achieving goals that I've set for myself a long time ago. You know, all these guys that we've been talking about today are all 30 years old, you know, and I think there's a new era of players and taking care of your body that'll go far into that.
So, you know, it's one of those things, you know, we're not going to complain about it

If we have to play wherever I personally would love to be in Cincinnati They got the best fans and obviously the best zoo. So it is good They got good casino there too.
I think a casino is a winning casino. Oh, I think so.
I think so I think it's my bill in new orleans Now that new orleans Last time you told me about a winning casino.

New Orleans understood the assignment.

It's a Super Bowl.

Everybody's going to be last time you told me about a winning casino new orleans understood the assignment it's a super bowl everybody's coming here they flipped the switch off okay they said this one's for us also changed names yeah yeah got new ownership for casino yeah i don't think anything hey before we get out of here trey we can't thank you enough for taking time you want to say a quick prayer for us here for the the boys? Yeah. Yeah, let's do it.
Let's go, Trey.

I don't know if you, Father.

Thank you for this day.

Thank you for all the opportunities we have

in time of fellowship and to glorify you.

Strengthen us in our time of need.

Continue the good work that you started within all of us.

And obviously to glorify you with the platform that we have.

And today it's this show.

To you be the glory, honor, and power forever and ever.

Amen.

Amen.

And also, get your paid, God. All right, see you, Trey.
All right, Trey. See you, Trey.
I was, I didn't, you know, I'm not a big prayer guy, but I didn't know if we were dropping in. Also, we'd like a three to four year.
Yeah. $40 million a year.
Because we don't want to pray for wins. Because God willing, shall.
God willing, we shall. Sure.
Coach Romito, that was his bar, Friday night football, high school. One of the first times I've ever really been around prayer is whenever I get into the football world, and there's prayers before the game, there's prayers after the game.
It's like, you know, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be that whole thing. It's my first time really getting into it and coach ramito would lead a prayer on these friday nights before high school football and that's my first time in a gathered prayer and i heard him drop that bar out of nowhere we don't pray for victory because god willing we shall and i was like smart smart but at least put it in god's ear you know like hey he started every single one with that yeah pray not for winning because god willing we shall bingo that was like the the first thing I heard.
I'm like, smart. Just a little reminder.
If you are operating in this game, we would like a little bit of a sway because we know they're praying over there too. But I don't know if they're mentioned.
How about a dub? I hope it gets worked out with Trey. It won't with Cincy, but I hope it does with a different team.
That is crazy, AJ, because he said there was obviously 31 teams that traded for him, April Fools. Every team's accounts on X were like, this just in.
Trey Hendrickson traded for a number two overall pick or a second round pick. I'm sure his dad saw a lot of those, because April Fools, wow, what a time on the internet.
And then the thought of her saying, saying yeah this guy needs to just shut it basically yeah that is a crazy thing to say like just crazy he's a sack king yeah and should be happy or she's saying he should be happy with the money he has made this far is that what she's saying this far and what's offered on the table for him so that made it sound like there's already something that's good out there and then he was pretty much like my wife and all my wife and i wouldn't just be is to know that we're going to be here and also that i can earn the money that you are doesn't want to be highest paid he said yeah i said i'm not i don't need to be the first paid or the highest paid when he was talking about jamar and t it was just like we're very humble you know but we are he is at a point in his business where it's like generation like i've earned this This is years of this entire thing. He's 30 years old.
This is going to be the last big one. That is what it is.
You keep referring to him as a sack king, which he is, but it's not like it was just a flash in the pan year. He just had one year where he just popped up contract year or close to a contract year.
He's got 16, 17, 18 sacks. He's been consistent even from his New Orleans days.
So he definitely deserves his money. He made it clear he doesn't want a short-term contract, so maybe they offered a shorter-term contract that wasn't near the top of the market.
But after talking to him, it kind of sounds like four or five years. If it's four years, probably around that $130, $135 mark.
But he deserves his money. I hope he gets it.
A lot of people will pay him. Yes.
Don't tell. Yes.
Are you kidding me? I think the reports were, whenever he was potentially being shopped, is there was a lot of teams that were calling, and then they were basically being told by the Bengals, like, yeah, we're going to need three ones. We're going to need, like, almost making it impossible.
You know, it's like not negotiating in good faith. That was just reports.
Once again, we are just telling you what was happening. This is not creating this.
This is what people were saying was taking place over there. So it's like, do they revisit that now? Do the teams, after hearing Trey say, hey, understand that there has not been any really movement here on this situation.
Is there now another group of teams that are going to call and say, hey, we're interested in Trey Hendrickson? Does that spur action from the Bengals? Because maybe you forget how great you have it. And then whenever everybody else is kind of calling to tell you, maybe that's a nice reminder of like, let's get this done.
Can they get it done with the money that they've given out to who they've given out? Which is why every time it was being reported about the Bengals wanting to clean sweep of the big three, Jamar, Tee, and Trey Hendrickson, doofuses like us were like, that's not going to be possible. Like, that's not going to be possible.
Doofuses like us didn't think that Jamar and Tee were going to be able to get signed. Once again, because Trey Hendrickson was also going to be available and they're paying a quarterback.
So's like that seems like it's not possible from over here and from trey is maybe it's not but also maybe they get a deal done duke has been doing some magic that we didn't think was possible already this offseason well and like the sacks are definitely one thing too but like he played hurt last year multiple games like it wasn't like he was you know making business decisions for himself throughout the year like they were still in it he was still still playing through injuries. I think the assumption is he's going to get traded or this is just going to be one of the messiest off-season contract debacles since Le'Veon Bell.
Yeah, well, if he goes and sits out for a year and makes a rap album in his driveway? Well, it's possible. Trey Henderson, maybe.
You saw him ripping lips this morning. Why is that fish the redfish? Maybe just fish for a year.
Did he eat it, or did he put that thing back? I think he's catching release. I think he's catching release.
Remember, he was saying we couldn't any time we want air coming out. He said it was just fishing with dynamite.
His friend Pat knew the spot. He had a little radar, a little sonar thing.
It said, all redfish that aren't red at all right over here. That's a big boy right there.
That's a big... Yeah, because Trey is a gigantic human being.
Massive. What an interesting little phenomenon this is.
This Trey Hendrickson, Cincinnati Bengals. Because they're at the crossroads now.
They're at the point of... Is it because he is it like partly that is not it is because he's a quiet dude and he doesn't wear gloves and he he goes about his business is that a reason why there's not more like national uproar over this yeah and he's he wanted to explain that i think a little bit more whenever he was like she talks about respect but like i respect zach taylor i say yes sir uh in the meetings i'm gonna go do exactly what i told you i'm gonna do uh everything like that he he i think what he was saying is like i'm the consummate teammate i cause no problems

i'm the best in the world what i do and i think he doesn't love having to come on here and i don't

think he loves that at all like whenever i like i reach out to him yesterday about this thing and

i'm like hey does this this mean a deal is gonna be up or whatever he goes i would actually like

to talk about that he goes i don't i don't enjoy this, but I would like to talk about that a little bit from my perspective because nobody's going out to bat for Trey Hendrickson because, once again, Trey Hendrickson has a small circle, tight circle. He's not leaking things to insiders.
So I think we provide an opportunity for him to say his side, but I don't think he likes doing it. I don't think this is – he i would have signed a deal three years ago i would have signed a deal last year i would have already already signed a deal like i think he begrudgingly is like standing up for himself here and i think the reason why he's doing it is because you know the squeaky wheel gets the wall but also you know the things that just kind of do their job in quiet you don't really pay attention to you just take for for granted.
So I think there's a chance. That's why I think if these other teams start calling in abundance, maybe they're reminded that maybe they took this guy who was a perfect teammate, also a sack king, for granted through this entire thing.
Maybe that spurs a little bit of action. Yeah, it makes you wonder.
If he would have taken the Miles Garrett route on this, would something have gotten done a little bit ago where it's like hey listen i understand but like i'm not gonna sign that deal with you because they are they're just like and and because he is so gracious and coming on here and he keeps reiterating like he wants to stay in cincinnati loves the bangles exactly then they're kind of just like okay well like let's let's squeeze this guy for everything we can't certainly seems like that's what they're if he would. I mean, remember, like, at the Super Bowl, Miles Garrett was going on every single show and, like, reiterating, like, I'm not going back to the Browns.
I'm not doing that. I want to be traded.
And then eventually we see what happens. Like, so who knows? I mean, and obviously he's not going to just change course all of a sudden and go scorched earth and start doing that.
But, like, he might have to. He might have to.
I mean, that's kind of what he, you know, and you'd say you'd love it because we are all fans of players getting paid. Strictly because we have seen teammates of ours either get hurt and not make the big payday.
Now they're coaching high school football when they were maybe two plays away from making generational wealth or changing the entire family tree that they have. And we've also seen guys that have hit whenever it's big and they change their entire life in a positive way.
So you will very rarely hear a player say, ex-player say, you don't deserve money because all of us want everybody to get paid. That is just a matter of fact.
But it feels like modern business, you do have to be a prick about it. It seems like what it is.
Saquon didn't, right? Saquon deal with Eagles, that was like the first time we've seen a team be like, you know what? You earned this. And give a massive deal.
Giants too. When Saquon was with them.
Yeah, it was the complete opposite. So there's like the.
Giants say, eh. Eagles are like, let's make sure we keep this guy happy.
Very rarely is that the case. Eagles did it with Lane Johnson as well, just did it too.
Did the Chiefs do it with Travis? Remember, Travis was like criminally underpaid for a tight end. But yeah, it's still very late.
I think his contract was up though. I think he came to like a – I don't think Travis had to do anything like – Oh, no, no, no.
That's what I'm saying. No, I'm saying the Chiefs did it proactively.
Like, hey, we need to give you more money because you're outplaying your career. Yeah, so like it feels like it's an interesting time.
And he talked about – so I feel like he said a lot without particularly saying it, like read between the lines. Like when he talked about, you know, I don't want to deal with a bunch of incentives related to the team.
Like, oh, you go to the first round. Yeah, you go to the Super Bowl, AFC Championship, you'll make another 1.5.
Like, he hasn't – you know, he's earned more than that. He's earned a long-term deal.
So he said a lot of things. And then the point he made about Hubbard leaving.
Like, we know how important – a casual fan might not know how important a guy like that leaving the building is what type of void that is. So if you lose him and you lose Trey, like that's a huge part of it.
And sometimes front offices don't even necessarily see that. So I think that was a great point he made.
But like I said, I hope it gets – it will get worked out. He will get paid, and it definitely sounds like he wants to be in sentencing.
We talk about we love players getting paid, especially players like Trey or like a Justin Jefferson or like a guy who they do everything right on and off the field. Those are the guys you want to see get paid and get taken care of when they're playing good ball.
Good for the league, man. When you guys were playing, did they have that, you know, when you outplay your contract? I forget what it's called.
Player performance bonus. Yeah, yeah, like Purdy.
How Purdy got, you know, a million extra bucks, whatever, last year. DB got an extra $1.25 million.
Yeah, okay, so when you guys were playing, was that part of the league still? Yeah, A.K. Shepley used to eat.
Okay. That was like his.
He'd get like a six-figure check in the middle of March, and it was like, oh, my God, I'm alive again. Now, does that work for players like Trey who are at the top? Okay, so even he could.
But, like, so if me and A.J. were in the same draft, and A.J.
goes five, like let's say he'll get $5 per play, and I go seventh round and I start, we play the same amount of snaps, I may get $1,500 per play because of where he was drafted and where I was drafted. So Brock Purdy, he made a ton of money because he was Mr.
Irrelevant. I don't know how that works once you sign your second deal.
I think once you sign a deal, I think it's still, you don't, yeah, I don't think Trey's getting a huge player performance. Okay, yeah, yeah.
So it's basically for the undraft or the late-round pick who comes in and starts and plays a bunch of snaps. The second deal, they don't get him? Is that real? I don't know.
His second deal, though, how much is – he's not making league minimum. If he's making league minimum, maybe.
I don't know. But I think it still goes off of maybe what you're contracting.
I do wonder if those guys at the top are getting screwed. Like Josh Cribs.
Remember Josh Cribs signed that 10-year deal or something with Cleveland in the last, I forget what it was, eight-year deal or something. His last five years, four years, he was criminally underpaid.
I wonder if player performance bonus was making up for him too. Like, yeah, sorry, dude, you got a bad deal.
I would, I'm looking at the top five list here, and it's mostly like late

round guys

that are young who probably have

a lot of smaller contracts

than what... Yeah, small contracts is what you make

up for. Can you continue to go down, though, so we can find

out if there's any guys that are

older that are still getting

paid? There's got a 2018 up there getting paid

to tackle. Okay, so there's...

That's probably second contract. At least keep scrolling down if you could.
Alright, so that's just top 25. So I do wonder if even if you're second, because I think AQ was getting paid.
I mean, he was on like his fourth team at the time. Yeah.
So he was still, but he wasn't making a big, his contract wasn't big. So the player performance is to make up for your low contract to make up for.
But I do wonder if you're like sacking and you're grossly underpaid, if player forms like, yeah, you deserve a little bit more, bud. You deserve a little bit more.
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This is a guy who people love. Huge.
His voice indicates that he is huge. Everything about him, he sticks out everywhere he goes.
First event I went to that he was at, he's literally in the back of the room. And he has a towel obviously because he was sweating his ass off he had a t-shirt on and he was three feet taller seemingly than everybody else that was in there and i was like need to make my way back to that guy that's where i need to get to link up with him meet up with him all his teammates love him he uh not only on defensive line stuff obviously and in the meeting room special teams he was a monster because of how big he was.
Blocking kicks, blocking punts. Hell of a career.
And it continues out in Arizona where he got drafted however many years ago. Yeah, consummate pro on and off the field.
Walter Payton, man of the year. Gump, and not many things can get Gump riled up, but he was beside himself when he saw this news of Klairs going back to Arizona because he was one of our best players in Miami.

The Dolphins?

Yeah.

Nobody's even going to talk about him at the Dolphins.

He was one of the Dolphins' best players.

He was the only guy who held anybody accountable last year was Klairs Campbell.

First guy there when Tyreek got arrested.

You know, he played fucking special teams at however old he was.

Did everything for our team.

We needed him back, and now we got nobody.

It's great.

All right.

McDaniel looked like he got it figured out down there with Jay Glazer.

You're welcome. teams at however old he was.
Did everything for our team. We needed him back and now we got nobody.
It's great. McDaniel looked like he got it figured out down there with Jay Glazer.
He was a huge drink down there. I like how Peter was saying Mike was talking.
What do you mean? That was interesting. He did some with his hand too.
His tone was a little weird. What do you mean? His mannerism is interesting.
Can you show us? Oh, you're saying he was trying to say there's multiple different styles of coaching. There you go.
Multiple different styles of communicating. Why doesn't McDaniel just say, you know what? This head coaching thing's cool, maybe another time, and he come up here to Indianapolis running offense.
Why doesn't McDaniel do that? What the hell is Steichen doing on the sidelines? You're picking his butt? Steichen's a culture setter. Is that right? Yeah, he's a tone setter.
He's a good culture they've built here. Steichen's only been here for a couple years.
That's right. When will they name a starter? The same amount of time as they are.
What's that, brother? When will they name a starter in India? Will there be a deadline?

You think they'll name it at the end of spring?

Thursday, week one.

Yeah, halftime of Thursday night football, I think.

Transfer portal, brother.

They don't want to give anything away.

Smart.

You know.

Got to prepare for two QBs.

Real cool.

And they're both lunatics.

I saw Mike Wilbon yesterday say he's going to the transfer portal.

He's hoping he's getting picked up by GetUp.

Uh-oh.

Uh-oh, Wilbon. We might make an offer you can't refuse.
I didn't know you were in the transfer portal, brother. We got a spot for you right there.
Every day. That'd be awesome.
Plus, GetUp just got Shrags. Shrags crushed it on GetUp.
Shrags crushed it with us. Shrags is Shrag Okay, so that is, I think people that are just getting introduced to Shregs, which is probably not a lot of people, but anybody that is for him coming to, he is always like what you saw on our show yesterday.
He is always presented that way off camera, on camera. And him on GetUp with Greeny is a, he's going to do very well, I think, with the ESPN platform.
Oh, yeah. Especially because he's already in the game.
It's like Shams dropping in and Shams already plugged, already connected.

It's like Shrags dialed.

Oh, yeah.

Dialed in everywhere.

He was dying today during first take when Mad Dog was mad about something too.

Shrags just laughing his ass off in the background.

It was awesome.

Cackling.

Yeah, cackling big time.

He loved it.

Draymond said they were talking.

I saw first take talking about Draymond talking about the older generation versus this generation. And I heard Mad Dog say, I don't hear anybody from that generation talking bad about LeBron.
I hear LeBron talking about it. It's like, well, you guys all talked for that generation, you know, for a long time, long, long time about this particular generation.
And I love that. Let's not get this twisted.
Him with a beard, I beard i thought yeah good look bring that well thought he was kind of cooking but for them to act like there's been no disrespect on this generation it's like that's literally all it's basically been about this generation since the beginning i'm not saying it it isn't a good form of sports entertainment but this generation has heard a lot you know and people are like lebron's bullying people it's like guys be getting buried for 20 some years like on tv it's first time he ever came out i think it's a good time it's a good era we're lucky to be a part of it we're thankful to be here we'll continue digitally see you tomorrow oh jeez i came up out of nowhere yeah it was quick but that was wild for them this will happen forever though you know it's now this generation you know 20 from now, they're going to be calling people soft or whatever is going on.

It will always happen.

Kind of already doing that, I guess.

It's funny with Carmelo Anthony going

in and this conversation.

I forget. I think it was last year.

LaMelo Ball's

celebration when he hits the three is like

this entire thing, which is Carmelo Anthony's.

It was like a TikTok of

when you see this celebration,

they're asking young kids, who do you think of like mellow or carmelo anthony and all the kids said mellow talking about la mellow ball yeah they said whenever you hear mellow too who do you think yes and they say la mellow ball they don't say carmelo anthony like that is just different eras brother it's insane man it's just different eras it's popular but one mellow if we do this show for a long time Stay Mellow. Okay, if we do the different eras, brother.
It's insane, man. It's just different eras.
He's popular. That's one mellow.

If we do this show for a long time...

Stay mellow.

Okay?

If we do this show for a long time,

I think we should try to remember, you know,

that maybe what we saw

wasn't always just the greatest of all time.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

Uh, I don't know.

You think anybody...

You think Next Generation's got a Joker coming around with a 61-point triple-double?

We saw LeBron, Steph.

Yeah, you're right.

Hey, next generation, you suck.

Okay, that's basically what media has been with this particular generation of basketball players.

And I guess football players as well.

And we respect it.

That's what you've done.

I mean, Skip made an entire career out of burying LeBron.

That was legitimately, he was a guy in Dallas,

obviously, heralded journalist,

doing his thing. And

you put a mic in front of him, and he'd come

out and tell you, LeBron

sucks. Michael Jordan's the guy.

Rodgers, too. I mean, he killed Rodgers

for, you know, 20-plus years

as well. And then he comes out

looking fresh as fuck the next day, sits right back down. That microphone's in front of him.
LeBron will never be Michael Jordan. And then guess what? He went to bed that night.
Woke up very early the next morning. He put on some fresh J's very early, very early.
Did his workout. He's jacked, especially at his age.
He sits down. They put a microphone in front of him.
LeBron ain't shit. Put that on repeat.
15 years? 20? 15? 20 years? Throw the Cowboys in. Oh yeah, Cowboys conversation we obviously love.
That was his profession. He got paid very well to do that.
A lot of people watched him do that. But it's like, just to be like, LeBron's bullying people.
This is the, this is the first time we've ever heard LeBron be like, fucking enough. Like, that is legit, you know? And obviously, we were a part of it.
So we're going to feel a certain way and only wearing, you know, bronze going forward. Those are sweet.
I mean, people are going to be like that. If you saw, like...
I found a few pairs that are sweet. Those are awesome.
I'll tell you what, the Jays have a lot more that are available. I believe Michael Jordan told his friend on a golf course LeBron could play in any era.
Of course. What is 6'9", 280 pounds? I appreciate Jordan saying that because I assume there's a chance that LeBron and Jordan maybe get a better relationship too after what LeBron said on the program about having respect and appreciating Michael and he thinks that whenever he's done he'll obviously chat with him so hopefully that bridges some doors there as well but everybody else had to take of well he doesn't like it because you'll never be him and they're like that generation never said anything about the new generation that was literally one day after they said Michael Jordan doesn't like it because you're a bum you know it's like okay maybe a generation has been spoken for for a long time and now this one's finally at the point where they're like, we deserve some flowers at some point.
And I respect and appreciate it. I'm paying a lot more attention to the NBA now than I ever have.
You've got guys scoring 61 points going for 52. You've got LeBron at the age of 40 doing what he's doing.
Luka going bananas in L.A. Then you talk about Oklahoma City with SGA.
There are how many games ahead in the Western Conference? 12? 13, yeah. Yeah, 14 games ahead or whatever it is.
I mean, they are absolutely dominating. Then in the East, the Cavaliers are doing their thing with the Celtics right behind them.
The New York Knicks are in it, which is great for, obviously, basketball to have Madison Square Garden still in play. And then Tyrese Halliburton, the guy.
The NBA just needs to rally around. Leading this Pacers team with Pasco Siakam and the boys to a fourth.
It's like basketball's in a good spot right now, and I do appreciate that LeBron, for the first time seemingly ever, talked his shit, and we were lucky to be a part of it. I love it.
Two things. Who are the betting favorites right now? Is it still the Celtics, I would assume.
And then the other part of it is when you're talking about these players, like for whatever reason, most people just, oh, okay. See, okay.
So you got to put down the other guy. That's what people feel like.
Cause I got a brother who's, he'll be 45 this year. And I talked to Zed everybody.
Every morning, my brother sends in some MJ shit. Just as soon as we start talking about staff up front he's gonna say this is the prototype there will never be another so like when you grow up in certain areas you see a Michael Jordan you see a Barry Bonds you see a Deion Sanders like you experience it once you experience that as a 14, 15, 16 year old like you no one will ever surpass that regardless of how great they are.
So you just got to appreciate the generations. But when you get to compare, most people are going to put down the other person to prop the other person.
LeBron can respect every NBA player that paved the way and allowed him to do what he's doing, but he is unquestionably either the best or the second best player of all time, no matter who you ask. So, like, he can bust whoever's ass he wants to when he's talking about guys from the 70s or the 60s or the 80s.
Like, it doesn't matter. I didn't hear Larry Bird say anything about LeBron.
I didn't hear Larry Bird say anything about LeBron. And that's awesome.
Like, that's Mad Dog to a T. We knew exactly what Mad Dog was going to say when this all came out, and that's part of it, too.
Did Kareem say anything about LeBron? I didn't hear. Exactly.
It's the best. Statistically, maybe the next generation won't, but I'm sure there will be another player in the next generation that will say.
I mean, we're having the conversation. Yeah, Wemby, Cooper Flagg.
We're having the convo with Jokic as like, hey, Jokic might be a top-ten player, top-five player all time, and he only has one title. And for so long, how was it like, hey, LeBron doesn't have the titles, but now we're already going with Jokic only having one NBA title, but already being in the conversation of all-time greats, which he deserves, but it's like the bar is just going to continue to move when it comes to greatest of all time.
Well, you're saying it's not real? Oh, no. I'm saying it.
You're saying they move the goalpost or the hoop, shall we say? If we're talking, they move it whenever it comes to what matters and what doesn't matter? What's real and what isn't real? No doubt about it. Interesting, because i thought they were too big and too tough back in the day uh which once again i i've seen some highlights fucking bill was a problem hard foul yeah kevin mckale you can be six nine 250 pounds played high school football in ohio okay you know in.
I assume if his whole life growing up, it was a physical sport, LeBron's body would have been okay. I think he would have been alright.
I think these would have still just been a little bit more. The guy's a football guy, which is what we learned from the conversation.
AJ, he walks in here. Yeah, you forget.
He's so fucking big. He's a monster.
He's a monster he's a monster so big so tall hit his almost hit his head off the fucking emergency exit thing on the way in here it's like they're talking i'm not getting into it talking about giant humans you know in the algo yeah what else which i actually did look into he almost hit his head off that emergency exit right there jeez that son called steve austin is to size there on the right so just you know like think about that it's he want you literally and he got out of the the black suv or whatever and it's all the way the back seat is all the way back knees are just folded just completely folded up and he gets out of the thing you know cross-legged in the back seat yeah it's it's why it's like i would have been okay. But once again, we are doing our research on the 1970s NBA.
Okay. Going into vaults.
Sure. Going to get better.
We are going to get better as basketball analysts. I saw one clip that was not real reassuring for the quality of play.
I believe it was in the group chat. But, yeah, maybe there's others out there.
We don't want to bury 70s because at that point, they didn't know of a Euro step didn't know of an in-out dribble they didn't know about a behind the back pass they didn't know about being able what form is you know so we don't want to like it's hard to compare those but those have been compared like those guys have been talked about being so much more superior than the current guys and the current guys are like what we, I can pull up from half court and pull in a hoop.

Those guys are literally hook shotting

because they couldn't even get the ball.

Just two different sports.

But for LeBron's take

about Giannis scoring,

that seems to be the one

that has ruffled

the most amount of

disrespect feathers by people.

And it's like,

he didn't say he was against

an all-star team from 1970s.

No, no.

He said just in a game.

I think if he would have said 100, people wouldn't have batted. Two 50s.
Doggy said he couldn't get a layup in the 70s. Well, where do we find that? He'd be on his back.
He'd be on his back. That's what he did say.
Giannis is another guy. What is he? 6'10"? Yeah, but that's what Doggy said.
Like, what are you going to do when they foul you all the time? You got to make foul shots. I don't know if Giannis, you know if you're going to shoot 50% from the foul line.
And then what did he say? He said they traveled in the coach, sat in the middle seat, 82 games. Good point.
They played three nights in a row now. Valid points.
I didn't even think that. That is fair.
That is a valid point. That is a very valid point.
And I think Charles Barkley didn't even have somebody that washed his jersey. Remember? That's a story every single day.
He said back to back. He said he'd get in the shower.
Wearing his uniform. That's not real.
No. That's what Kenny said.
He's like, no one's ever done that. Ever.
Chuck said, I used to do it all the time. I don't know who you're talking about.
It's been nice to be dropped into this basketball world. It's about to heat up.
I'm so pumped for the playoffs. Me too.
I'm watching these games tonight. Bro, that Steph game was last night.
I watched a good chunk of that, especially the second half. That was awesome.
Yeah, Steph going bananas. And then Timberwolves Nuggets goes into double overtime.
It was bananas. The NBA is showing up.
It did look like 10 years ago, 7 years ago, Steph, whatever it was, 5 years ago, Steph, when it was automatic green light and it was uh the nba's showing up instead it did look like 10 years ago seven years ago steph whatever it was five years ago steph when it was automatic green light and it was falling and those were fun games to watch that was that was like barry bonds and mcguire and sosa baseball it was like if you're watching basketball and there's a chance a guy for no reason there's gonna be a lot of time left on the shot clock a lot time left on the game clock, and this guy's just getting to half court and saying, fuck it, and he's just splashing it, and then going back and doing the same thing on the next possession, that's exciting basketball. That's Harlem Globetrotters meets the NBA, and that is basically what Steph became.
Must watch, and last night we got a chance to experience yet again, and that guy just passed him the ball. Jimmy Butler, when he gets into playoffs, I mean, he's a pain in the ass.
So if Steph's going to start doing this again, and then Draymond and Jimmy are going to be, you know, because they're running pick and rolls out at the three-point line like old school. Draymond Green handed that ball off to Steph at the three.
What's easier, a layup or a three? Well, if you have Steph, this is an automatic three. They're running plays just for him to huck it up.
It's like, if this is what the playoffs are going to be with Golden State, and then we got Luka and LeBron together, and then we got SGA and the boys down there at OKC playing the way they're playing, Boston obviously always going to be incredibly talented. It's like basketball does have a chance here to be fucking sustainably great for, I don't want to just say the layman, but, you know, casual fans, I think are going to buy in.
Yeah. That's why the first round Lakers wars would stink because then you're losing one of those teams so early.
And to be completely honest, even if it was Nuggets Lakers or Nuggets warriors in the first round, like that stinks because all of a sudden, you know, and I'm not saying they're not great teams, but like having the Rockets and the Thunder be two of the premier teams in the second round of the playoffs versus those other teams, it just wouldn't be the same as seeing like a Steph LeBron in, you know, the Western Conference Finals. Like that would be a dream.
So the West, because it is so competitive, it almost is turning into a situation where like, oh shit, we're going to have some matchups too early. Whereas the East, it's pretty top-heavy, aside from the Pacers.
How's Skeen's doing today here in baseball? I saw a tweet that said he's throwing like a 99-mile-an-hour splinker or something like that. I don't doubt it.
Through three innings, he has surrendered two hits. He has one strikeout, no earned runs.
The Pirates are up 1-0. And we are going to the bottom of the fourth.
How many pitches has he had and what's normal? He has thrown 41 pitches through three innings. I think that's pretty solid.
They're saying this is a 99-mile-an-hour splinker? What does that mean? Yeah, good luck. Splinker, you know, it's got a lot of splitting.
I mean, that thing's just moving like crazy. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, you can see where it kind of starts. And then it ends.
Come on now. It's got a lot of splitting.
That thing's just moving like crazy. Jamming you up.
Yeah, exactly. You can see where it kind of starts.
And then it ends incredibly inside. Good luck getting that.
When he was talking to us, that's his strikeout ball right there. That's the strikeout pitch.
That's his out pitch. He said he wanted to work on a couple of the strikeout pitches.
He's throwing in his other shit to get to a two-strike, and then he's bringing this state fair game right down the pipe at you. Pretty much because for his limited time in the majors, his strikeout percentage on that pitch is like guys just can't hit it because it moves so much.
Why doesn't he do it for three pitches? Well, you know, you still got to when you can throw 100 miles an hour like his fastball still moves too. And guys, I mean, you just can't, if're only seeing that once in at bat as opposed to like you know major league hitters if he's throwing that every single time eventually guys will you know kind of realize like what it's doing what he's trying to do so once again for somebody that did not play baseball growing up i understand that is not normal um he's got two pit or two strikes now it's time right now we are Well, that's what I asked him when he was on the show last.
I was like, has that been a conservative effort by his manager and the pitching coaches? Is he hunting strikeouts still, or do they want him to pitch to contact a little bit more? Because if he has a bunch of strikeouts in games, his pitch count is going to get high. That just inevitably is what's going to happen because he's not having as many, oh, I throw the splinker first pitch of an at-bat and the guy grounds out because he's getting into a lot of two and three strike counts and stuff like that.
But that's what he said. When you have stuff like he does, he was like, when you get into two strike counts, the strikeouts are going to come.
I'm going to strike guys out. Did you see him on GQ? Oh yeah, he looked great.
Good for baseball. Yeah, with his puppy too.
Good for baseball. With his puppy and his lady.
This is not the photo that was being promoted publicly. That is the photo that was being promoted publicly.
That's Rue, his dog. Obviously his lady.
Livvy Dunn, who is the NIL god. I believe as we entered this entire thing.
Is an LSU gymnast national champion, I think, twice. Yeah.
I think absolute monster on the mat. Yes, you can say that.
And the beam. And the bars.
And the balls. And the rings.
We don't know enough about gymnastics, I must say. I don't think women do the rings.
Or the pommel. That is the men's only.
I used to be able to do standing backflips, so that's pretty gymnastics. Let's not get into it.
I don't know. It does stink, though, because Pirates won nothing.
You know what that just reeks of? Oh, they're losing this game. No, we're not the Braves.
We win games. Paul will end up unfortunately giving up one in the bottom of five, and then it'll be tied, and then they'll blow it.
From this GQ shoot, all that told me was he ain't going to be in Pittsburgh very long. Yeah, I don't know how many Pittsburgh Pirates are doing GQ magazine, but I'm happy that it's Paul Skeens.
We love Paul. We appreciate Paul.
Keep doing your thing, Paul. You're fun to watch.
You're the reason why we're in baseball, and I assume there's a lot of others. Speaking of sports we're not normally into but have gotten into, let's go to the host of the Concafa pod, bubba gumpino alongside jeff cameron and breck shea a phenomenal soccer podcast covering everything breck shea jeff cameron former u.s men's national team members also members of concafa sc at the soccer tournament uh the mls is trying to nosedive their league what what was the ruling that was made about messi's uh bodyguard what the fuck is going on here they have banned his bodyguard his entire career at barcelona and psg there was four pitch invaders there's been 16 since he's been in the united states of america in the mls so this would be a terrible idea by the mls but i guess it has gone through unfortunately why would they do this i have no idea no idea at all 16 times long's Bessie been in the MLS two years okay so former special teams coordinator of mine Tom McMahon okay I think he's with the Raiders now currently yeah I think he's still with the Raiders he grew up on a horse farm and his only job was to feed the stud hey this entire thing goes as long as that stud horse right there is happy okay that is the needs to be alive needs to be happy so his entire job basically growing up was feed the stud just make sure you fucking just feed the thing that matters here okay this is the thing that matters without this everything else is nothing why can't the mls just feed the stud messi's the Let him do whatever the fuck he wants.
And if this special forces bald guy needs to walk around the outside so psychos, whether they're young or old, can't get close to the greatest soccer player of all time, let him do it. I don't understand.
So does this mean they're going to up their own security if they don't think they need a special forces? I have seen no reasoning behind any of it. All I've seen everywhere is that he has been banned.
I have no idea what it is. I don't like it.
Are you guys going to cover this on the Concafa pod? Yeah, we'll cover it today. Be out tomorrow.
Big match tonight, actually. Concafa Champions Cup.
Inter-Miami travels to LA to play LAFC. Messi should be starting tonight.
Scored after being subbed on two minutes. In L.A., you need to

have that security guy out there.

Are we your favorites? They're also plus

220 tonight for some reason.

Because he's not there! Yeah.

I wish he would have hit that kid. Look at that stride.

It's all kids.

These are kids. Messi normally goes,

hey, everything's okay. See, that's why they keep coming.

Everything's okay. I mean, special forces.

These kids, they're going to begin. They're not learning need you know they're not learning a lesson yeah you got learning a lesson any of these how about this guy too they've shown clips of him he tries to mirror where messy is on the field so i assume there were some other mls teams that were like we got this special forces guy walking through our bench you're like yes messy's guy that's how And all those other MLS teams, hey, why do you think your stadium sold out tonight? Other than Atlanta, Portland, Columbus, I'd assume.
Charlotte's been good this year. But most places are selling out strictly because, hey, Caitlin Clark is here.
Hey, Messi is here. Let's go ahead and take care of that situation.
I can't wait to hear Jeff Cameron's take on this and Breck's, both MLS guys, you know, in the end. Breck playing MLS? Yep.
Jeff playing MLS? Yep. When? After he came back from Miami? After he came back and Breck played for...
Actually played for into Miami for a little bit. Breck's got so much moxie.
He's a dog. Breck has the blonde hair.
You remember Breck? Breck was throwing everybody down.

Anyone who had any issue, Breck was knocking them to the ground.

He ragged all that one guy.

Dude, he was ready to fight fight a lot of times.

I don't think I fully understood it.

I've seen the Breck Shea highlights because his blonde hair is awesome.

He's a goal-scoring machine.

The way he hits the ball is six.

So I've seen the highlights,

especially whenever we were trying to put together a concave for last year.

It was like, hey, Breck Shea might want to be on the team. I'm like, do you know Breck Shea? I'm like, yeah, I know Breck Shea.
I love Breck Shea. He's a dog.
I did not know he was that big of a dog. You cross him just a little bit.
I mean, he's fucking throwing. Coming at you.
And ready to fight. It was like, he set a good tone for concave for.
Him, Zat, Jeff, obviously meet in the arena, boys. Is he like the beef stew?

I think our entire team is.

We have an entire team of beef stews.

Love that.

I think that is kind of what our team is. I need that.

It was very apparent, too, you know, I think if you watch our team play.

We even fight each other after hours if we need to.

That's just for grit.

That's good chemistry building operations.

You sharpen the iron.

Got to have good leadership in those moments, too.

Yeah.

Shout out to Tony Mulego. Boys.
We got a game in five hours. Boys.
It's time for Breck. Just had to settle some differences.
Who's this, Breck? That's Breck. Goal.
Side panel. Lefty, no problem.
Let me celebrate, do my shit. Yep, absolutely.
Game. Let's get the guy on camera.
Yep, there he is. Dog.
Love Breck. He's done it.
Okay, so it's called the Con so it's called the concave a pod yes sir available tomorrow tomorrow morning it'll be out if you're into soccer or want to get into soccer because remember the world cup's coming to our land in a couple of years that's a good podcast to listen to they're not speaking at a level where you can't understand it but they're also covering everything you need to know to have a good soccer conversation i felt like a real soccer guy over there in england I was having my chat. You know, Preston North End or whatever.
They fought. They fought.
Didn't give up a goal to the 58th against Aston Villa, still in the Champions League top team in the Premier League. It's pretty impressive.
Yeah, and, you know, Preston North End, they're the one and only. They want a title in 1800-something.
It's a big one. It's a good year.
Okay. Yeah.
They're due. Wayne told me that.
A lot of history. We won in 1880-something.
Which league were they in? 1880-something. How many teams were they playing? The England soccer one.
The EPL, brother. I don't know if it was the Premier League.
They're in the same league as Burnley now. I don't know if they were up in the Premier League.
Did they play Burnley recently? They beat Burnley. What was the score? 3-0, I believe.
They're the one and only, brother. That's P&E.
Our goalie just gave it up after. Yeah, J.J.'s crying now.
Well, J.J.'s running up business. He understands.
Did you see Dude Perfect? Did you see Tyler? The dudes? He's a Hinkle Fieldhouse. Yeah.
With Caitlin. Threw a football from the stands.
Threw a basketball. Palmed it.
WNBA ball from the stands. That thing had a little draw

on it. Splash.
The hinkle hurl.

First shot. The hinkle heave.

He was going to call it the butler ball, but Kaitlin

came up with the hinkle heave or something like that.

Butler ball would have sucked.

No question about that, AJ.

Yes, he made it. They had other balls

if he needed it.

Wow. Nice little draw on it.
Splash. Yeah.
Right in the boot. Fifth pound.
Noggin. Remember, he made a kick.
Remember, he made a field goal down at Texas A&M that I did not think was possible. Get a hockey step.
They're athletes, man. They're all athletes.
Tyler. Yeah.
Tyler is unbelievable. Purple hoser.
I think Purple hoser was really good. Tall guy.
Tall guy. The twins.
Twins. Of course.
I found out that tall guy's 6'9". Tall guy.
I saw Luka playing against him. It wasn't going well for tall guy, but he's tall.
Yes, very tall. He was standing there for the college game day field goal thing and they were just kind of hanging there.
And I was like, Jesus Christ. Because the twins, you know, they're...
Small guy. Little guys.
They're properly sized, I'd say. Okay.
So whenever they're standing, maybe... You don't get a nickname like tall guy without being...
Really tall. Tall guy.
Yeah, absolutely. I think they have proposed some sort of...
Clab. Yeah, but...
I don't want to say decathlon, but some sort of competition. Oh, a dude-off? Yeah.
I like that. I't think it'd be...
A dude off, right? Whoa. Our dudes versus their dudes? Yeah, just dudes getting off.
Dudes being dudes. Versus other dudes.
Dudes getting off. I don't know.
Dudes going off against other dudes. I mean, we'll workshop the name.
We'll workshop the name. But yeah, I think there's going to be some sort of athletic battle.
Okay. Which I would like to announce.
They don't fucking want it. Yeah.
I think their cardio is going to be a lot better. I don't know how much vitamins.
We should just do guts. We should just do global guts.
Oh, my God. Could you imagine us? Mike O'Malley hosts the dude off.
Is Mo going to be there to keep score? Yeah. Play this game? Thunder buckets? Yeah.
They won't have a chance. Nobody wants Boston Conner and D-Bone right now in that game.
now unbelievable we're playing we're playing good ball first time i played it yeah you're making up rules well i'm i'm changing the rules of what they should have been uh i wish i was here when we made the rules but yes i guess i will abide by whatever i i think you've only played one day i think whenever you get into it a little bit more you'll understand why we made decisions but also thunder buckets is, Thunderbuckets is evolving. Thunderbuckets is continuing to evolve.
It's a good game. It is.
It's a good game. Anybody can play this game, AJ, which is why it's good.
But you can get better at it. So it's also why it's good.
Just like beer pong? Just like beer pong or what? I'd say this is easier than beer pong. When it gets to the final bucket, it's going to get made within two shots.
You know where in beer pong, the final cup can take a while? This one, it's going to get made within two shots you know where like in beer pong final cup can take a while this one like it's going to get made but getting to that point stuff because you see the buckets are bigger it's a lot of plastic around so like there's a lot of rim jobs tons of rim jobs out there just everybody getting rim rimmed up out here boom bang boom pow you know and i don't know how d's on a team that is winning because his particular technique is one that would not in theory be a good one. Maybe in the 70s.
Granny shots or what? He outlet passes. It barely gets above the height of the trash can.
It's terrible. It shouldn't work.
But it is. He's currently a champion so we can't say anything about it.
Legitimately we can't. Beat us twice yesterday.
But if it's on a rim job you can knock it away right? Maybe that's good because it's hard to ricochet his rim jobs? Well his is either hitting a back wall or somehow it's going in. So you know that's kind of the thing.
Yesterday there was a knockover of the bucket which was a new style that you could definitely go for because in beer So, you know, that's kind of the thing. Yesterday, there was a knockover of the bucket, which was a new style that you could definitely go for.
Because in beer pong, if you huck and knock over the cup, it counts. Here, it's like some of them have weights in them, some of them don't.
So, we have to figure that whole thing. Do you have to move weight into the live buckets? I would love to watch AJ play this game and just change seven rules.
Yeah. He would be throwing it as hard as you can.
You can throw it however you want, right? This was just a great play. So if you get your rebound, obviously you get a trick shot.
Connor skips ball away from Foxy, says he doesn't get a rebound, but he does. Oh, was that the rebounding thing? I didn't know about it.
Okay. Oh, yeah.
I used my ball to hit his ball away, and he picked up my ball. Well, you actually used my ball, so I should potentially technically have that shot.
Okay, well, Foxy, your teammate took it from you then. Yeah, well, I don't like that at all, especially because it didn't go in.
But this was incredible effort out of Boston, Connor. Heady play.
Very heady. And he threw the shit out of that ball.
If he misses that, who knows what gets hit over here. Oh, this is broke.
No doubt. There was a kick yesterday that almost took off Foxy's head because the rebound to get the extra bounce shot very, very crucial.
Vital. Very, very vital.
So the rebounding afterwards has gotten a bit intense. So if you miss, you want to miss where it bounces back towards you.
Yeah. Short, yeah.
You want to be short. You just don't want to miss.
I like the rebounding aspect.

I didn't know about that. Yeah, add a little athleticism.

Yeah, Mitt booted a ball yesterday.

Almost put a hole in the Foxy's

face.

And then, I mean, Connor threw the shit

out of that ball. Fucking drilled it.

I almost put a hole in the door, too.

With a baseball? We distracted me.

We distracted me? No, you.

We distracted me. Mid-toss.
I need to start talking about that. Speaking of.
It's therapeutic, though. Check ball.
Toss it. Oh, good catch.
Thank you. Playing catch is awesome.
Oh, they were hucking it yesterday. Almost took D-Bone's head off.
Yeah. So they were throwing the baseball here.
Full court. Pretty good little huck.
Rebound comes from Thunder Buckets this way.

D-Bone's running.

I need to go get it.

And then all of a sudden, he, I think he perifs.

It would have killed him.

Sees a ball, drops down, and then, yeah,

because they're throwing baseballs over here, you see, on the side.

So there was a rebound that came over near.

Ty's down here in the gray with the glove.

Yeah, there it is.

There's him ducking.

Yeah, it was. Jeez.
It's dangerous. Thunderdome has been active.
You know, it's been a good time. Trying to create new games, you know.
Trying to create more things to kind of do. The punching game has been a good addition.
A lot of people taking swings on that. Anyone break Bruce's record? Yeah.
Yeah. What's it say? 936? We got a power champ, and we got a speed champ.
Two speed champs. What's the speed? We think the speed is just literally the power one just with a decimal.
We think the speed in the middle because it's a different game, that would be a 904. But instead, it's a 90.4.
You know, like the 9.36 that I hit yesterday, probably a 93.6 if it's in the middle, if we had to guess. The reflex one over there? Yeah, that's the one I admit.
That's a good game. That game's impossible.
Foxy got that record. That's going to be impossible to beat.
So they do a countdown. Three, two, one, and then a horn, and then you hit immediately after the horn and that's supposed to be your reflex but it's not reflex it's all timing.
It's all 3, 2, 1 like a sprint car or like a, I mean I'm sorry a funny car like a green light Foxy timed it perfectly .02 that's going to be impossible to beat..01 at this point. Yeah.
We'll get it. We'll try.
It has to happen. Connor said, I'm the fastest in the room.
So I said to him, I said, are you listening or you're timing this thing up? Because you listen. It's a reflex.
No way. No way.
No way. No way.
You actually listen. You hit it.
It's like 0.22, 0.37. Yeah.
You should get your fist lined up and blindfold everybody. Then you see.
Ah. You're still listening, though.
Still listening to it. Yeah, you're right.
There's no real way to get a good reaction. That doesn't change anything, actually.
It's .02. Don't do it.
I think the issue with this one versus other ones of these that I've seen at bars or pubs or whatever, the top part that is hard comes down pretty far into the ball. Normally, the ball is a little bit more distinguished.
Yeah, like kind of more exposed. This one, if it goes down, Bruce, will you go punch this thing? Yes.
Someone's going to break their hand off or slice it off or something. That's exactly what I'm saying.
So if you look at it, Bruce, we're going to show it. See how far down the hard part comes down into that.
I mean, it cuts into the ball. Is that padded? It's padded, but there's thick plastic right behind it.
And it's impossible to move it or take it off. That's crazy.
That's really the only downfall of that thing. Bruce, go ahead and give that thing a second.
What if you headbutt it? That's a good punch here. Good boy, Bruce.
860. See, that would be an 87.2.
There you go. And if we go to the right there, the great chase, four goals to go.
Obviously, a massive night for Ovi. Thank you to the NHL and to the Capitals for sending this over.
What a cool-looking thing. Nick, we're four goals away from history being made.
1999 is when Wano has kept his record

since. It's going to happen this year, it feels like.

Sure feels like it. Foxy's going to roll this clip from last

night against the lowly Boston Bruins. There's

Ovi, the greatest goal scorer potentially of all time.

Wide open, all alone

in front of the net, not a soul around.

Maybe one of the easiest goals he's

gotten of those 891.

And man, it's going to be a hell of a celebration for him and those those caps fans if he breaks it because they are poised to make a run maybe this is the year they get their second lordo in franchise history and party all summer just party all summer the last time they won uh stanley cup ov had lordo everywhere i mean he was in fountains in different cities. He was on a talk show run.

And I believe he was boozed up five, six straight days without sleep.

It was when I became an Ovechkin fan, actually, after he won.

Because he and the Pittsburgh Penguins obviously had a massive rivalry.

You called this goal easy.

At the end of the night, they had their goalie pulled.

And there was a couple opportunities he had for like three-quarter of the rink shots.

And they were trying to get him the puck. It ended up dying in the corner.

It's like he could steal a couple empty netters, too, that count as goals.

Four goals to go, eight games left.

Shout out to the Washington Capitals for sending us that beautiful thing.

The great chase is on.

Ovechkin's legacy has been cemented already,

but could he be the greatest goal scorer in the history of hockey? Feels like yes. It would be so disappointing if it was one short and we've got to wait an entire offseason just for it to happen the first game next year.
Yeah, and then they would start trying to prepare. I think I was talking Otis Dozer, and I think they have the Wild maybe tomorrow night.
I think they're playing the Minnesota Wild. Next game.
Next game, Hurricanes, it says. Okay, so when do they play the Wild? Do they play the Wild? Maybe they already played the Wild.
Probably one of the last days. Ooh, they may have already played the Wild because they did that entire thing where Fleury was walking off and Ovechkin made everyone stay.
Two games ago, they played the Wild. Okay, so he said there was people, you know, that were like, you might break it tonight and need nine goals for something.
It was like, that is the thing, though. There's a chance he scores four goals in a game.
So literally any of these games, it could be it, or it could literally drag out forever. That's the beauty of hockey.
Funny enough, last game of the season, April 17th, caps are at the Pittsburgh Penguins. Great.
Could you imagine? Oh, boy.? Imagine he gets that, then they go into playoffs, they win Lordo, and then he retires. It's like, this has been my game all along.
That'd be great for hockey. That would be huge.
If that happens with Ovechkin, that would be something that would propel the NHL playoffs over the NBA playoffs, pending LeBron and Steph going on a massive run. Today, 7 p.m., Capitals, Hurricanes.
Then Friday, April 4th, got the Blackhawks in Washington. Then they traveled to the island and take on the Long Island Islanders.
Then the Hurricanes. Then the Blue Jackets.
Look out. Look out, Blue Jackets.
Then Islanders. Then Pens.
He's got eight games to score for. It's a favorable schedule to do it.
Let's hope he gets that thing done early. Come on, Al.
Let's hope he gets that thing done early. We don't need history in the PPG Paints Arena there on April 17th.
Speaking of, I do believe the tickets are gone. Thank you

to everybody that purchased it.

I think there's still some...

Scattered. I guess you're going to have those.

I don't know if we'll roll those out in the coming days, but

it should be a fun night next Wednesday night, April

9th, AJ Hawk. I hope you're ready to perform, brother.

I hope you're ready to perform.

Oh, yeah. I'm going to be flying from the

ceiling, all kind of tricks.

Dude, don't give it away!

Shut up! Don't tell anybody, dude. You ever see what Pink does at her concerts? Oh, yeah.
That's AJ Hawk next Wednesday night. That's right.
Sweet. Songs and all.
If it passes all the tests, obviously. Logistically, it's going to be a lot.
But there's a chance that AJ Hawk is actually with wings like an actual hawk flying over you the entire night.

Wednesday, April 9th.

He'll just ask you to put out a little and he'll come down and feed.

Needs a couple of cunts to piss him.

We are a workshop.

What do you mean you're in?

Yeah, we know you already agreed to this.

If we are able to pull that off, that is what's possible.

Wednesday, April 9th.

Holy shit.

The world's going to change.

A.J. Hawk's going to fly around and get down and get a little popcorn.

He's like, I need a drink. I need a drink.

And they're going to...

I don't know if that's going to happen.

We've looked into it. We've certainly

looked into it. How big of a

baseball guy do I look right now?

Dude, actually, Matt.

Why don't you fire that thing into one of those holes?

Nah, you know, we've almost broken off. Into the bucket! Off the bounce! Nope, not my glove.
Not going to throw it. Alright, we'll be back tomorrow covering the sports.
Let's have an incredible evening, shall we? Hell yeah. We got hockey.
We got Paul Skeens on the mound right now. How's he doing uh he is through four and two-thirds right now he's got two strikes uh we'll see he he's about to you know i guess put ben rort vet down price strike him out and then he will be uh through five innings unscathed two nothing yep buckos are up two nothing okay let's go cruise missile yeah did ski did the pirates tweet out tweet, Gumpsh? No, they did not.
They just tweeted that there was a fucking game today. It was second start of the fucking season.
It's great. Why'd they quit on that? I like happy Skeen's bump day to all those who participated.
Season's over. Yeah, all the Pittsburghers are saying that it's done.
They're giving up already. What? Red Sox got the same record, brother.
It's a long season. The Braves haven't won a single game.
And they should feel the same way. That's not what the betters are saying.
Betters are saying the Braves still got it. Yeah.
Just like the Pittsburgh Pirates. Amen.
Wait until you see Paul Skeens. Why don't you catch this thing? How's he not on the graphic? Yeah, he's pitching.
How's he not? All right. I'm not doing it with another team.
Okay. Okay, I'm not doing it.
You sure? We do it too much. That's just a bag order.
That's why. Okay.
Starting the lineup? Let's all say. I got Skeetons on the bottom.
They would have it. Highlighter.
Scroll down. Let's see if he's on any of these.
That's not the same Adam Frazier, is it? Final. Oh,0 last night? 7-0! That was a tough barn down there.
That was a good ball club. There's not a single post.
Welcome to the show, bitch. Thomas Harrington.
Debut patch. Congratulations.
Let's keep it jersey. Where the fuck is he? Is it Thomas Harrington?

They got Thomas Harrington on the graphic. What's this all about?

Thomas Harrington?

Thomas Harrington.

Thomas Harrington on the graphic.

Did you know that the Red Sox have a guy that have struck out 15 of his 19 at-bats this year?

Who the fuck is Thomas Harrington?

Nice try, Tony.

Why is this that?

He's a dog.

Thomas Harrington?

I've never heard of him, but I assume he is.

This is our entire.

This is the third.

Third, fourth. They said, welcome to the show.
They had a walk. It was the first start yesterday.
Pitching Thomas Harrington? I've never heard of him, but I assume he is. This is the third, fourth.
They said, welcome to the show. It was his first start yesterday.
Pitching Thomas Harrington. Is that Skeens? No, he was doing a GQ shoot yesterday.
Keep scrolling. When will we see Skeens? Probably 6-1.
Oh, shit. Not for a while.
Not until opening day. Holy shit, man.
Is that a pitcher on the starting lineup? Yeah. So they do do that.
Is it the first time they haven't put? Happy birthday, Ryan. Yeah, Mitch Keller's on the mound opening day.
They already announced that. Jesus Christ! I'm talking about the first game of the season.
I bet you there's a post about Skeens. That was a long time ago.
It's like five days ago.

If I'm living done, I'm telling Paul, it's time to go, brother.

I haven't seen a lot of ones.

Adam Frazier.

Adam Frazier.

We have Paul Skeens. Do they know we have Paul Skeens?

No.

Who's that?

Justin Lawrence.

We got him, too.

First strikeout.

Black and gold.

Justin Lawrence.

Los Piratas.

Need more Thomas Harrington.

Hey, this curveball here from fucking Bailey Falter will leave you falting at the knees. Keep scrolling.
Where the hell is Paul Skeens? Put him on the Yankees already, man. Bailey started game three, so Mitch will be game two.
There's another pitcher on the starting line. The only pitcher that has not been on the starting lineup thus far has been Paul Skeens.
He's got a wild move. O'Neal Cruz, too.

We need more of him.

They want to keep him humble.

I believe that he's been struggling quite a bit in center field.

O'Neal, six solid innings out of this guy?

Okay.

A win under the Knights.

There's Bednar.

That was game two, so here comes your Skeens.

Jolly Roger in Miami.

Jolly Roger.

Hell yeah, Razor's Jolly Roger.

Big winner in Miami.

Lowly Miami.

Good dap up there with Cruz and Bednor. Razor! That's a big time win.
O'Neal Cruz. Okay.
Lopego Contoro. First Cruz missile of the season.
Wouldn't like to see that. Keller time.
Excuse me. Where the fuck is Paul Skeena? They're active.
You got to give them that. They are very active.

Where the fuck?

I did not know this is what this was going to become.

I don't think any of us knew what we were signing up for here.

But now that we're here.

That's a retweet from Los Pirates.

That's not even their actual account.

All right.

First home run goes to Nick Gonzalez.

Let's keep it rolling.

This is why Ryan Reynolds favorite baseball player.

Okay. Premier base.

Okay. Paul Skeen's officially dealing.

We found him.

That was when he started. What do you guys

want to do? Post him every day?

Post him when he's pitching?

Yeah, they wouldn't even post him today.

Every other pitcher. They haven't posted anything

from his start today.

Los Pirates, maybe. They just haven't retweeted it yet.
I mean, Los Pirates. I mean, what the hell is going on? We got the guy.
Get him out of here. Someone should tell him.
Stat. O-news.
O-Neal Cruz. E lo profundo.
E lo profundo. This is like baseball., it stinks No, this is Pittsburgh Pirates I'm playing all of baseball O'Neal Cruz hits a dinger We love to see that Keep scrolling down How about a 99 mile an hour splinter Or splinker We might just need to go to the most Are you serious? Nope Does he text Pitching Ninja after the inning be like hey that was a splinker or is this guy just guessing on everything you're talking about pitching ninja yeah interesting I don't know because he Paul Skeens did tell us that he's a four seam he's given credit for a two seam or a four seam and it's actually this what's that that was recorded was recorded as a four-seamer.
Not a splinker. Yeah, not a splinker.
Who makes that decision? The pitching gods. Like StatCast or some.
The MLB, I guess. It's a human, though, right? It's a human watching every pitch and making that decision? It might be IBM Watson.
The head pitcher. Head pitching consultant.
Yeah, the head pitching consultant. I don't think they call Roger Clemens.
They should. All right.
Can we get an update on schemes on the internet, Pittsburgh Pirates? Probably not. Where's Los Piratas, too? They need to pick it up as well.
They look like the better Twitter account for sure. For sure.
E lo profundo! That's the only way I'm talking home runs from now on. Is that what I...
Is it... Zito, am I saying it right? Yeah, you got it.
A la profondo? Yeah. Yeah, you know.
Profondo? Yeah, yeah. What'd you say that...
Will you say... Profondo? Profondo? Profondo.
Profondo? Fondo. Is it A-la?

Yeah, you can do that.

A or a-la? I think it'd be a-la. Well.
A-la.

All right.

A-la. A-la profondo?

A-la profondo.

A-la profondo. All right.

I'm going to start saying that. A-la profondo!

And also, we need... What's the strikeout, Zito?

I can't wait to hear this. What's the deal? Where the fuck was he? We got the guy.
That's a good question. That's a good question.
Fucking Richard Harrington, this guy all over. Tommy.
They're so happy he's here. I am happy that Tommy's here.
But also, cool. Guess whose team you're on? The guys.
O'Neal Cruz. See him all over the place.
As he should be. He plays every day.
You guys claim he's there for seven years? There's no way. What's that whole claim thing? Jet Passon said they got like three years and then they're going to find out.
He said like two more years. Three.
Yeah, typically that would be the window in which they would be like, all right, we're not going to be able to afford this guy.

He probably doesn't want to be here, so let's trade him.

There is a chance ownership is telling the social media team,

let's try to keep his profile low.

We need to keep him.

That'll make more sense.

The direct translation of Elo Profondo is into the deeper, into the depths.

Can't wait.

It's going deep.

Love that.

Elo Profondo.

Let's go Elo Profondo into this saga happening with Trey Hendrickson.

Okay. You get him on the show.
People say we don't have culture. Please.
Fucking deep. That sounds bad.
Yeah. Now that I thought about it.
Oh, yeah. Not all the profondo, but Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals.
Oh, yes. That doesn't sound good.
Getting the water. He's not showing up, is he? It's all the profondo.
Yeah, exactly. They're far from the shallow.
Lo, lo, lo. Lo, lo, lo.
Oh, yes. That doesn't sound good.
Get in the water. He's not showing up, is he? It's a la profando.
Yeah, exactly. They're far from the shallow.
Lo, lo, lo. The communication thing was surprising because there was reports, what was that, last week? They were in deep, deep talks.
They were almost done. The three-peat was on.
Trey was off. Yeah.
He said, me and my wife, if we talk about it, we communicate, hasn't been a lot of that. I haven talked to them at all well good luck i hope they get sorted and also congrats to carmelo anthony oh yeah mellow he's all the profundo in the hall of fame yeah way first bout way and deep first bout first bout way in there a lot profundo hall of fame i saw some people tweet everybody makes it in basketball hall of fame of Fame.
No, they don't. It is.
That's every Hall of Fame. No.
No. How many guys a year in the NBA? The NFL one's pretty.
Plus the NBA, the Naismith, it takes into account everything. If you're going to college national championship.
There's different Hall of Fames? I think that's the biggest one for them, at least. I think there are multiple basketballs.
But it's not just an NBA Hall of Fame. But people will make it for a high school career.
A college career. That's what you're saying.
So even like Yao Ming, when he went there, he played in other leagues as well. So they have more reasons to make the Hall of Fame, as opposed to just what you did in the association.
But Carmelo would be making it for numerous reasons, which is why he's the headliner for the 2025 class. Congrats to Melo.
Good boy, Melo. Now, the Pro Bowl would be something where you could say what you said about it.
I was just thinking about what Deion said, where it's okay. Yeah, Deion wants different levels to it.
Yeah. And then there's people that have been waiting to get in for 35 years that are like, is that right, Deion? Yeah.
Because I just want to get in before I die. With that being said, Sante's hand, he's been in the Hall of Fame.
Okay. There it is.
Because we're talking about it. I looked up his stats.
Guy was a butt. Sante was nasty.
Never talked about. Not really talked about as much.
I mean, people talk about the bad thing. Didn't have a great relationship with Bill.
Dropped the interception in the Super Bowl for the perfect season. But he had a stretch where, I mean, I think 0-6 to maybe 2011, 2012.
Like 6, 7, 10, 11 picks. Like he turned the ball over.
And we had him on the pod, man-to-man pod a while ago. And I asked him, top five receivers.
And he was like, I didn't even play the receivers. I was quarterback quarter and people say oh he was his own corner he was this uh if you're effective and you get the ball you can impact winning like I don't care how you do it I believe I heard a promo he said um where he said you take my four to five years which might be the five-year you were talking about and he goes just go ahead and point against anybody whoever it's kind of like AB Antonio Brown he had like six-year stretch where anybody.
You know, Jerry Rice, I feel like he's kind of almost in a league of his own. But it's a six-year stretch where anybody like this right hand, if you have anything else outside of that, yeah.
He won, too, multiple-time Super Bowl champion. I like people talking shit, you know, especially if they feel like they've been disrespected for a while yeah um and i hope it all gets settled don't love whenever you see players bury other players yeah ever okay but sometimes needs to happen you know and sometimes people need to see it happen happy because of what he's been saying more people have been looking into him as a player dude's a baller good luck hope you make it into the hall of fame but the hall of fame for the nfl is one that it seems like every year there's people that are like need to get in need to get in need to get in should get in then don't get in i guess baseball similar too right baseball has like a different standard on what to get in and it's like a moral high ground yeah they potentially move they've they've ruined i mean the baseball hall of fame has pretty much been ruined because the writers like you're not supposed to take any of that stuff into effect and I understand the steroids aspect, but the fact that Barry Bonds isn't going to ever get into the Hall of Fame, A-Rod's never going to get into the Hall of Fame, some of these guys, Pete Rose, well actually I think they may have retroactively, now that he's dead, I would assume that they'll put him in at some point, but it's, he didn't get there.
What if Pete shows up? That'd be crazy. That would be wild.
He's dead. He can't celebrate.
He's a dead guy. He can't celebrate.
So we can put him in. We can put him in now.
He can't enjoy it. Because we didn't want to hold it against him for what he did.
He should never be able to experience it and enjoy it. But once he's dead, the guy was pretty good.
He's good. Make his family sad.
But, yeah. What if he does? I could see Pete being like, I knew you sons of bitches were going to do this.

I've been just laying low in Mexico for the last couple of years.

Fakes his death.

Yeah.

Just like I said it was.

All right.

Let's get the hell out of here.

What do we have tonight we need to pay attention to?

What do we need to pay attention to?

You said there's a big soccer game tonight?

Yeah, Inter-Miami, LAFC, quarterfinals of the Conca of champions cup we're gonna watch that kicks off at 11 30. 11 30.
homework is not everybody stay up till 2 a.m watching the uh concave quarter uh okay all eyes turn to la okay washington capitals uh have a hockey game tonight maybe The grade eight gets the... Yeah, they're at Carolina.
They will take on 20,000 Screaming Caniacs. Good luck, and they might hit that horn sign.
Pistons are an OKC. That should be fun.
Okay, Beef Stew's suspended, though, right? He's not playing. Suspended two games.
Other guys are suspended as well. That game is on ESPN tonight.
Okay. Hockey, baseball, the soccer.
There's a baseball game on Amazon today. Amazon baseball? I know baseball had Apple.
I didn't know they had Amazon. Yep, brand new.
No, they did it last year as well. Yeah, the Yankees and D-backs are on Prime Video tonight.
Oh, fresh off a walk-off. Who's the commentator? Now that I'm thinking about it, I want to say the ones I've watched, I think you get to pick, so I usually just watch the Yes Network version.
I want to say they just use the local booths and depending on who you're a fan of, you can choose. But now that I'm thinking about it, I don't know if that's accurate because I might end up just saying, fuck it, and go into MLB Network and just watch it.
Now I want to watch it. So available on MLB Network.
Yeah, yeah. That is the one thing is, well, I mean, you're not blacked out anyway.
But I think you can still access it on MLB if it's not blacked out. What were you going to say, Connor? Well, that's what ESPN Plus does.
So it would make sense. Prime does that with hockey.
Like if the Bruins are playing and it's not on national TV, I can just watch the Bruins broadcast. So that would make sense if Amazon was doing it.
I turned on, because of that, the ESPN Plus options. Spanish-Washington Capitals game last night with the Bruins.
It was kind of electrifying. Profundo! They sent it into the zone, but I didn't even know that was an option.
And I was like, damn, can I not find the other? And obviously there was other. Amazon Prime's video of the New York Yankees broadcast consists of Michael Kay, who I believe is synonymous with the Yankees, right? He does the Yankees playbook.
And David Cohn, Paul O'Neill, Joe Girardi, John Flaherty, and Jeff Nelson. That's a lot of people on microphones for one game.
Yeah, that's not because Coney does ESPN now, so it'll probably be Michael K., Paul O'Neill, and Joe Girardi. That is the Yankees booth for the best network.
All right, so we got some good sports tonight. We'll definitely do that, and then we'll be back manana.
Thank you to everybody that bought tickets for a big night today, and we can't wait to see you next Wednesday. Speaking of, we'll be back tomorrow.
Big guest tomorrow. Holy lookout.
Almost too big. Too big.
Connor was researching earlier. Giant of Kandahar? The Giant of Kandahar.
Learned about that. I wasn't researching that.
How big was that? We're not getting into this. We're not doing this anymore.
Remember? One guy flew him home. He says 1100 ponds.
That's 10 feet That's 10 feet tall, big feet. I didn't say, I didn't know what.
Let's get, be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
His feet were like four of our feet. Yeah, he wasn't wearing shoes, but.
Jeez. They had wrapped up with linen, basically.
He's gonna get shoes from, Tom. He can't find his shoes.
Big and tall, maybe? Yep. Bound his feet's skinny.
Oh, Hulkster, he's probably feeding those.

Brother.

You're right.

He's basketball.

Big at you.

You like the NBA?

What a question.

Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.

It might change their life.

We're in this thing together.

Team on me.

I appreciate you all so much for allowing us to do this.

Hell yeah.

And I appreciate anybody that says nice stuff about me.

Genuinely, you have no idea how much I needed some days, and I can't thank you enough. We have obviously not done everything perfectly.
But we try our best to be an additive to society. An additive to sport.
We will continue to do that. We will see you tomorrow.
Team on me. Team on three.
One, two, three. Team.
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