PMS 2.0 1450 - Watt Wednesday, Matthew and Brady Tkachuk, In the Trenches with AQ Shipley, Everything DB with Darius Butler, Stanford Steve, & AJ Hawk

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On today’s show, Pat, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, and the boys wrap up week 10 of the NFL season. AQ gives his biggest takeaway’s, and his top five offensive lines of the week as we go In the Trenches, while Darius Butler goes through the best and worst defensive back play of the week in Everything DB. Also joining the progrum are NHL Superstars, two of the stalwarts on Team USA’s Olympic roster, and co-hosts of the new podcast Wingmen, Matthew and Brady Tkachuk to chat about their new podcast which debuts tomorrow, how both of their rehabs are going, the Olympics on the horizon, and much more. Next, future Hall of Famer. 3x DPOY, Walter Payton Man of the Year, and color commentator for the NFL on CBS, JJ Watt joins the progrum to recap his biggest takeaway’s from week 10, and to look ahead at some of the biggest matchups from week 11. Later, College GameDay panelist and co-host of the SVPod, Stanford Steve joins the show to recap the newest CFP rankings, and to look ahead of this weekend’s biggest games. Make sure to subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow or watch on ESPN (12-2 EDT), ESPN’s Youtube (12-3 EDT), or ESPN+. We appreciate the hell out of all of you, we’ll see you tomorrow. Cheers.
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Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode the thunderdome on this Wednesday November 12th 2025 this sports program begins right now

Speaker 1 Football is absolutely magical.

Speaker 1 We're so incredibly thankful that we get a chance to chat about it every single day and there's some news that is popping up around the football world that we will certainly talk about both in college and in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Yesterday obviously we had the incredible honor of being down on Paris Island for Veterans Day as All four of the main league's commissioners dropped a note to the veterans letting them know how much we appreciate them.

Speaker 1 UFC President Dana White sent a message of appreciation and gratitude to our America's heroes.

Speaker 1 We also had the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Doug Collins, who sent a message to the young vets out there. And we also had the Commander-in-Chief on the show live.

Speaker 1 I believe it's the second time that a sitting president has been live on an ESPN show. The last one was from a Democratic political party.

Speaker 1 This one, obviously, representing, I guess, the Republican political party. But in my eyes, he's the leader of the military, and we were celebrating the hell at a Veterans Day.

Speaker 1 Now, there are people who are certainly not the most happy that that happened, but what I would like to say, every veteran military person I talked to is very grateful and thankful that we spotlighted the heroes of America who walk amongst us, who are willing to sign a line and go for the United States of America as opposed to anything else.

Speaker 1 So if you're against what happened yesterday, I'd like to say you hate the troops. And you should go ahead and swallow that, and you can take that to where you want to go and uh any president

Speaker 1 any any president okay

Speaker 1 willing to come on our veterans day celebration spotlight show commander-in-chief head of military we would be very open to so we would like to let any president know going forward that if we were allotted the opportunity to go to Paris Island for the first time ever and have a live show in front of actual Marines while they're doing their thing and if we're going to celebrate Veterans Day and we're going to have all four of the commissioners the heads of every single league in the United States of America basically, basically and also have the president of the UFC Global Thing come on and the sergeant major of the Marines.

Speaker 1 Future presidents, you always be welcome. Boom.

Speaker 1 Also, as missed, I did reach out to President Obama's team. Okay, President Obama, talked to multiple people in President Obama's team.
Wasn't able to work because of the quick turnaround.

Speaker 1 We started this thing on Monday because there was a lot of conversations late last week about this show getting

Speaker 1 not going to be allowed. There were some people in the government, obviously, I found out about this very late that say, wait, he's going to be allowed to be on Paris Island?

Speaker 1 We're in the middle of a government shutdown. There's no way.
Is any other show allowed on A? Is any other show allowed?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 1 Well, why the hell is this guy allowed? So end of last week, there was a lot of doubt, you know, and I completely understood the doubt.

Speaker 1 I thought it was crazy that it was even going to potentially be happening anyways.

Speaker 1 So once we got the clear and the go-ahead, and the stage was built on Sunday on Paris Island in front of that beautiful Iwo Jima statue. It was an incredible thing.

Speaker 1 As soon as I found out that it was real, then I started piecing the show together because I had no idea if I was just going to be wasting my time doing it before then.

Speaker 1 So everybody that responded within a 12-hour period, I am so incredibly grateful for. And we are so lucky that we got a chance to spotlight the greats who walk

Speaker 1 among us. And we appreciate the hell out of the Marines for the hospitality.
And

Speaker 1 you guys are the greatest. What a day you should.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 What a day you're shooting. Got a lot of people saying mean stuff to me.
Got a lot of people saying mean stuff to me. Yep.

Speaker 1 Got a lot of people that don't know what a football looks like telling me they're never watching my show again. And I would like to let you know.
Good.

Speaker 4 Fuck you.

Speaker 1 Let's move on. Okay, the talks and table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt, a man who played in the NFL for nine years, one of the biggest football brains in the history of football.

Speaker 1 Host of Everything DB, Good D, Bad D, Darius J. Bothers.
Yes,

Speaker 5 cool day yesterday down there.

Speaker 2 Great day, great day. Always love supporting events.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a cool day down there. Sergeant Major, too, getting a chance to sit next to him.
Just feel and radiate the machismo that he basically has and has to have.

Speaker 1 And then the brand new Marines that were sitting out there, you know, they only give yes-no answers.

Speaker 1 It's only yes-no answers. I forgot about that because they're in the middle of of their Marine transition, as we speak, at the end of their 13-week recruit depot boot camp down there at Parris Island.

Speaker 1 That was a fun international job. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And they, I think, would say to their family,

Speaker 1 we o-rod with the commander-in-chief. Yeah.
And we o-rod with the sergeant major. People don't think about that, though.

Speaker 6 Pretty memorable Veterans Day for them.

Speaker 1 People hate troops. Yeah.
Well, you know. People hate the troops.
12-year NFL vets, Super Bowl champion. Ladies and gentlemen, AQ Shipley.

Speaker 1 Hey, Chris, you love the troops. We know that.

Speaker 3 Love the troops. Yesterday was awesome.
Uncle's a former Marine. I mean, it was awesome.
I texted you during the show. That was one of the coolest things I've watched.

Speaker 1 Did you give an Uraw or no to your uncle? Uh-rah! There we go. Nice.
That was a good one. That would have been good.
If we would have asked them if that was a good one, was that a good Uraw?

Speaker 1 They would all say, yes, sir. Whenever AJ did it, was that a good one? No, sir.
They said that was

Speaker 1 a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 And legit,

Speaker 1 I hope the young vets saw that yesterday and learned that the VA is ready. Like, A, is a different VA than what it used to be.

Speaker 1 So hopefully there's an uptick in VA callers for younger vets, especially.

Speaker 1 And I know the OG vets, too, I think they're trying to make it all as, you know, great as possible for the veterans who it seems like everybody appreciates on earth at this point, except for some people, but I heard from them.

Speaker 1 But it does feel like that is the case. And hopefully yesterday we were able to do that.
Now let's talk a little bit about what's happening in the sports world. We have big news today.

Speaker 1 Matthew and Brady Kachuck will be joining us soon.

Speaker 1 Okay, we have a breaking announcement in about 34 minutes or so. Huge.
Breaking news in a hockey world. Let's go to the back.

Speaker 1 Nikki Skates, Frank Meraldo, two hockey players coming on the program today. Good.
This is good for hockey.

Speaker 3 Who would have thought?

Speaker 9 Two hockey players coming on, dynamic personalities, legacies, second-generation players, both of them.

Speaker 1 It's a big day. Yeah, it is a big day.
Making a big announcement for the good of hockey, Nick.

Speaker 10 Absolutely. Look at this.
We're growing the game.

Speaker 3 People said it couldn't be done.

Speaker 9 People said the NHL can't get out of its own way.

Speaker 1 Look what's happening now. Whoa, whoa, we don't know yet.
We don't know yet. We'll see for the big announcement if it comes together.
We'll have J.J.

Speaker 1 Watt joining us and then Stanford Steve will also join us because last night the CFP College Football Playoff Committee put together their projected 12-team playoff as we sit at this exact moment.

Speaker 1 At this exact moment, we head over to Hammer Don Ton. AP Tone, what did the CFP committee say with this newest bracket?

Speaker 10 So the CFP committee said that, you know, everything from one to five will stay the same. Obviously, the Ohio State, Indiana, and Bama and Georgia.

Speaker 10 The first change was Texas Tech jumping Ole Miss because of their win at home against an undefeated BYU team. So that was the first question that had to be answered.

Speaker 10 Was Texas Tech's win against BYU enough to jump ole miss? And it was in the committee's mind.

Speaker 10 And then you go down. Oregon moved up one.
Notre Dame moved up one with BYU's loss. BYU dropped out

Speaker 10 down to 12 there. You see them as one of the first teams out behind Oklahoma.
And then the big surprise of the night was at number 11. And I only say it's a surprise

Speaker 10 because Miami has a difficult, difficult path to the ACC championship. So this is the bracket right here is just based off of, you know, the committee's rankings.

Speaker 10 And they have Miami as the highest rated ACC team now. So they slotted them in there basically kind of as the ACC champion.

Speaker 10 But so everyone knows, Miami has a tough road to get to the ACC championship.

Speaker 10 They are behind Georgia Tech, Pitt, Virginia, Duke, SMU, and I believe Louisville as far as the ACC standings are concerned. All those teams play each other in a situation

Speaker 10 along the road, but there is a path. But right there, I thought Georgia Tech would be there because they are at top of the ACC standings, but Miami was ranked higher, so they're slotted there.

Speaker 10 That does not mean that they're going to be there unless they get an at-large bid situation, which I don't know if that's going to happen or not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would piss off a lot of people in the North and the South, but certainly the people who say for a go-to-the-game would be pumped up about that. The ACC has one slot.

Speaker 1 Independent Notre Dame has one slot. Power 5 has one slot.
Now there's nine slots left. Is this how you see it kind of forecasting in the end with this many SEC, this many Big Ten teams?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I do. I thought that.
And then as far as this weekend goes, like.

Speaker 3 And a Big 12.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Texas Tech. Jesus, I love you guys.
I hope you guys win it all, actually. I hope we're in Lubbock a lot more.

Speaker 10 There is a lot going on this weekend. When you look at Texas and Georgia and then Oklahoma and Bama, obviously Texas and Oklahoma are right there on the bubble.

Speaker 10 So if you're one of the, if you're that ACC team, if you're a Big 12 team like BYU, who's barely on the outside, you are praying this weekend that Texas and Oklahoma lose.

Speaker 10 Because if Bama and Georgia lose, I don't think they're going to drop out of the playoffs. And it's only going to make the resumes of Oklahoma and Texas better so they can then move up and take.

Speaker 10 You're looking at, like, if that happens, that's five, six SEC teams, which no one is going to be happy about unless you're in the SEC.

Speaker 10 So if you're other schools and other conferences, you are hoping that Bama and Georgia take care of business this weekend.

Speaker 1 And if Pitt beats Notre Dame this weekend, you might open up another spot in the playoffs. So there's a lot of huge, huge games this weekend, whenever you think about the college football playoff.

Speaker 1 And we're only a few weeks out. You know, we are right around the corner from this college football playoff starting.
We're going to start with 12.

Speaker 1 We're going to count down to one. I hope they keep Titan.

Speaker 2 I hope they keep this on. Same song? Commercial.
They should.

Speaker 1 Maybe they should add a little more boom booms to it.

Speaker 1 You you know i think we all know like hey that sounded like you guys just kind of low-level ai song okay let's add a little boom booms to this thing you know let's get a little maybe a remix in there same lyrics though yes yes okay yeah this is just like rock me mama like away

Speaker 1 you just take those lyrics and you just change who's singing it okay you know you just kind of change who's singing it and that thing's gonna be a hit out there you think hootie's gonna do it this year i wouldn't mind darring his going starting with 12

Speaker 1 down to one yeah he'd be he'd be able to nail that i think there'll be a lot of people that would potentially want to do it.

Speaker 1 They might have their own take on the lyrics because there is some seemingly AI-generated lyrics. It seems like this is the easiest way to get to this particular word.

Speaker 1 We could have maybe done a little bit different, a little bit more artistry in it. But we would like to say the bones of that song.

Speaker 11 All time.

Speaker 1 They're good. Yeah.
They are A-okay there. That might be able to run.
Yeah. For...

Speaker 5 In perpetuity. Maybe.

Speaker 1 Till the end of college football. Which we will never get to see.
Thank God for that. It's a huge weekend for college ball.
Also in the NFL, there's some massive news.

Speaker 1 Let's go to the New York Giants, ladies and gentlemen. They fire Coach Dayball.
He's seen walking out of his house wearing a Penn State hoodie. Wait a minute.
Penn State needs a head coach.

Speaker 1 Brian Dayball also has kids that are currently at Penn State. What? He would be a massive splashy hire.

Speaker 1 He has a lot of history of doing very good things in football outside of what he did for the New York Giants. But how many people could say they did good with the New York Giants?

Speaker 1 Is what a lot of people would say if you're in Brian Dayball's camp. Is this the next Penn State Nitty Lion head coach? Let's go to to A.Q.
Shipley, Penn Stater.

Speaker 1 Dayball named head coach of Penn State would make you what? Very happy. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. So this is the one.
We've been kind of waiting for, we didn't know who it was going to be. We didn't know how it was going to come about.
There's more jobs seemingly than there is actual names.

Speaker 1 Penn State's been sitting there. LSU, obviously, still wide open.

Speaker 1 We have no idea who's going to take that job, but we think it's probably going to be a pretty significant name because LSU, from Coach Sabin's eyes, five stars fall out of trees in Louisiana.

Speaker 1 You can win in Louisiana no matter what. Three head coaches, two of them had national championships.
Now it's four head coaches, two of them had, three of them had national championships.

Speaker 1 So the thought is LSU is good job. Florida, we assume, will be a good job.
Penn State, though, in the north, great job for the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 And to kind of keep the boosters happy potentially or the money happy or the fan base happy, you have to make a splashy hire. Dayball would certainly be there, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think so. And I think anytime you get an opportunity to get a guy that coached with Nick Saban, with Bill Belichick, offensive coordinator at Alabama, and obviously been a head coach.

Speaker 3 And he's an offensive genius. We haven't had a good offense,

Speaker 3 25, 30 years.

Speaker 1 We need a quarterback.

Speaker 1 When were you there?

Speaker 3 Well, we had a good offense when I was there. 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 20 years ago. Okay, yeah.
I say kind of shit on yourself as we look at it. Dayball going to be a head coach in college.
We think he would do well. I think he would be great.

Speaker 3 He's an offensive genius. He really is.
And he understands it. He coached in college under Nick Saban when they had a great offense.
So I think that then you take what he learned from Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 You take what he learned from being a head coach. Splash higher, good offensive mind, and you just need somebody to help you navigate the NIL water.

Speaker 1 Kids are at Penn State?

Speaker 3 Yeah, one of his kids is, I know one, definitely, maybe two.

Speaker 1 And he's wearing a hoodie. This is good news.
Yeah, I think he's potentially letting them know, hey, I would be open. Yeah, the kids are down there.
Wouldn't mind heading up to state college.

Speaker 1 And I think I got a chance to chat with him at Combine. I think he would represent Penn State pretty good.
Like, I think he would be a good representation of what they could potentially be as a team.

Speaker 1 You know, he's very different than James Franklin. Very different than James.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a bit more of a visible optical dog than James Franklin, who I think James Franklin is pretty put together, which, by the way, his name, all these jobs, except for Penn State.

Speaker 1 You know, you think like, hey, who's the top coach out there?

Speaker 1 Who's Penn State going to hire? Top coach. Who is it? James Franklin.
I don't know if they're going to hire him back. I don't know if they're going to hire him back.

Speaker 1 But it started to look like that because there wasn't a lot of names really for who was going to do it.

Speaker 1 Dabo getting fired from the Giants seemingly opens a door for Penn State to maybe make a move that everybody will like up there.

Speaker 1 And I assume Pat Kraft and everybody that's making that decision is like, hold the phone. We got a guy who wants to be here.
Like very, very bad, seemingly, and has a big name.

Speaker 1 That could be a home run for them. Now, I'm not saying they need to.
AQ is not saying that either. AQ is just saying, as a member of the Penn State cult, right? You're saying,

Speaker 1 I'd be pumped about that. I'd be real pumped.
And he's not pumped about a lot of things. True.
Ever.

Speaker 2 He's still winning the headlines for sure.

Speaker 2 call him an offensive genius.

Speaker 2 It's big coming from you right there.

Speaker 3 He is. I mean, he coached with New England when they had Tom Brady.
Obviously, what he did down there in Alabama and won a national championship as an OC, then a head coach, took the news.

Speaker 1 You're still skipping Josh Allen out there. Yeah, exactly.
He's working with Josh Allen. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 So Buffalo, obviously, Buffalo, Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 This guy's going to be your coach. You need to know at least where he's going to be.
I know.

Speaker 3 I know all this stuff, but I'm just going, I'm skipping ahead to when he was a head coach, and he took the Giants to the playoffs in his first year.

Speaker 1 And then what? Well, then we had a little skit.

Speaker 1 2014. So that'll happen.

Speaker 3 The NFL is a hard place to win.

Speaker 1 We talked about that.

Speaker 1 College, yeah, very easy. I understand that.
But whenever, yeah, Penn State could be the right spot for him.

Speaker 1 And we would like to say to Dayball, if you go to Penn State, college football would be pumped. Like he would be electrifying it.
Yeah. Does he know anything about all the recruiting?

Speaker 1 You say he's with Nick Saban. Nick Saban is like with greatest recruiter of all time.
Does he know anything about the recruiting aspect of it all?

Speaker 1 Is he going to be able to do the NIL social part of it? James Franklin had 70 employees working just away from ball, just on everything else that was happening.

Speaker 1 He automatically inherits that, or maybe there's a change of structure. Maybe the athletic department kind of runs that type of stuff.
Dayball, you worry about football.

Speaker 1 We'll kind of handle everything else if we have to, because it feels like Pat Kraft, as somebody's talked to him, feels like he at least understands what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he can hands-on do it every single day, but I think they have a good vision of what it can be with massive financial support behind it.

Speaker 1 Dayball to Penn State feels like a lock at this exact moment as we sit right here.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and like the recruiting aspect of it, it feels like if you have the resume, that speaks for itself more so than the actual recruitment, like the old school recruitment.

Speaker 5 Because if you have a resume, you don't have to go in there and say like, hey, this is what I'm going to do. This is what I want to do.

Speaker 5 Like he made Josh Allen and didn't make him, but Josh Allen's biggest steps as a quarterback, we talk about the lasers all the time, massive part of it. But also, Dayball was his OC.

Speaker 5 So was Dayball putting him in the right spots? And, you know, you can throw in a lot of different things. Diggs coming over.

Speaker 5 But for the most part, Dayball being the OC was a huge deal for Josh's, you know, success and development and growth.

Speaker 5 So him having that resume, you could even go to Jackson Dart and be like, hey, look what Jackson Dart was starting to do.

Speaker 1 I love that guy.

Speaker 5 One, pretty good talent evaluator. And two, put him in good positions.
And that's a massive deal. So recruiting-wise, it almost feels as though Dayball makes that easier because then he has a resume.

Speaker 5 And as we know, Penn State has the biggest bag. And a lot of coaches are getting out of coaching because that's the only thing that a lot of the recruits actually care about.

Speaker 6 Well, just based on like what AQ said and a lot of Penn State people, like they, they want a big name. They don't want the next big guy in college football.
Exactly. They have the money to kind of...

Speaker 1 The money people want a big name.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 Like, so if this, if he's available, because I mean, I think people thought maybe Dable would get fired at some point this season, but then they started winning a little bit with Jackson Dart.

Speaker 6 And it was like, no,

Speaker 6 he's actually going to stick around. He'll be the guy to kind of take him to the next level.

Speaker 6 And if you had any knock on Drew Aller, like we were talking about him after the Orange Bowl, maybe being, you know, a top five pick in the draft, or I guess before the Orange Bowl, like, I don't know if he really ever, he was always good.

Speaker 6 I don't know if he really ever got any better and took that next step. So, if you are like one of those people, it's like, hey, he's an actual quarterback whisperer.

Speaker 6 Look what he helped do with Josh Allen, whether that's true or not. Like, it's on his resume.

Speaker 6 If they can get a guy who he can develop into one of the best quarterbacks in the nation and all this kind of other stuff, like, this is, it's just a home run any way you look at it.

Speaker 6 So, like, if you're Pennsett, you would almost think, too, that they would want to act on this fast because the longer he's out, like, there is a chance that someone else slides in and he's not there.

Speaker 1 And on that note, Dayball can get in the building for the the rest of the season here and kind of see how it goes because his boy's at school there or whatever. So Richard.

Speaker 1 He's going to want to go, see, yeah, get in there. Let's get, because he was at the end of the year.

Speaker 1 Last two games, Richrod was able to travel with the team, kind of see the team, and they lose the Texas Tech, I think, by like 50 or something. Like they just got absolutely steamrolled.

Speaker 1 And Richard was like, okay, so we got a lot of like quit on this team.

Speaker 1 So he was able to learn the team, learn it out. That was just a couple weeks.

Speaker 1 Let alone if you're able to do it here for like a month, basically, towards the end of the season here for Penn State, could be a big, big advantage for them. Good for Penn State.

Speaker 1 Maybe falling into something here that might be perfect for them.

Speaker 2 How deep was he into his latest contract? Because what's his money situation?

Speaker 2 Is he any

Speaker 2 rush to get into another job or to leave the NFL and go back down to college? It is a head coaching opportunity, but you know how a lot of these guys feel when they get that opportunity in the NFL.

Speaker 2 I know Big Mike, Big Mike McCarthy talked about it. Like, hey, once we get there, it's so tough to get in to stay in.
Does he want to take that step back down?

Speaker 2 Even though money-wise in college football shit is right up there with the NFL guy.

Speaker 1 That's a hilarious thing. We're just putting Dayboat at Penn State.
Dayball is like, whoa,

Speaker 1 yeah. I got two years left to be a multi-millionaire golfer here.
So let's just all go ahead and slow our horses a little bit.

Speaker 6 But based on his personality, do you think like that guy needs to be doing something football related?

Speaker 1 And now I'm thinking about the hard knocks episode, all the things that Penn State can do with the hard knocks clips of Dayball.

Speaker 1 Dayball looks very cool in a lot of those hard knocks clips where he's doing a conversation, wanting dogs, like, hey, need a dog, but you got to be able to control it.

Speaker 1 Whenever this happens, this happens. It's like, they'll be able to sell the hell out of Dayball, the person, I think, even though his record with the Giants was not good at all.

Speaker 1 Worst of all time, I think, right?

Speaker 1 I think it's the worst to get to 60 games. I think he has the worst coaching record in New York Giants' history, but he got to 60 games.

Speaker 1 There's other coaches that didn't get to 60 games, I think, right, Bruce? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 Like, he won Coach of the Year in 2022, and that allowed him this leash for 2020.

Speaker 7 Yeah, i i think it would be a slam dunk hire and that he is a great ball coach and it would be a perfect fit i didn't even think about that when i saw him sat in the penn state hoodie i just said man why does the paparazzi keep getting our coaches right after they get fired looking at the man catch the pizza joe judge had the pizza beer exactly it happens every time um so i was bummed just seeing him bummed out like that um because you know i i don't feel like it was it was uh even probably the majority his fault with everything going wrong there um but yeah i think it would be an awesome fit at penn state All right, let's talk about the Giants now.

Speaker 1 Okay, you talk about the Giants because we're talking about Dayball leaving there. Guess who's starting quarterback? Electricity is.
Ladies and gentlemen, Jameis Winston starting. Wow.

Speaker 1 The Giants are expected to start quarterback. Jameis Winston versus the Packers per Jordan

Speaker 1 and Adam Schefter. Incredible breakage of news by those two.
Jameis Winston as the starting quarterback. What do we know about Jameis Winston as quarterback? We know he's electrifying.

Speaker 1 We know he's awesome. We know the boys love him.
We know he probably has every defense, at least a little bit understood from the amount of football that he has played.

Speaker 1 Because the first four or five years of his career, he couldn't even see the defense. He had like the worst vision in the history of quarterbacks who have eyes in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 He threw the most touchdowns and the most interceptions in one season. So when you talk about playing for your team and the other team, he was doing that, but he couldn't see a damn thing.

Speaker 1 Then obviously Jameis moves on. He goes to New Orleans Saints, says he goes to university.
Then he goes to the Cleveland Browns, gets some rub.

Speaker 1 And on Cleveland Browns primetime games, he gets mic'd up and gets a chance to talk. And the entire entire world remembers that Jameis always got his fastball.

Speaker 1 This guy is always preaching, always leading, and he's willing to do whatever for a team. Do we think he's the guy for this New York Giants team at this exact moment?

Speaker 1 And what do you expect out of Jameis Winston debugging?

Speaker 2 Oh, I mean, he'll give you an opportunity to win for sure. And one thing you know about...

Speaker 1 Which team?

Speaker 2 One thing you know about when Winston's on the field, you got an opportunity to make a play of the ball. That goes for everybody on the field.

Speaker 2 Everybody on the field, you're going to have an opportunity to get your hand on the pillow. It can be a good thing, obviously, for your team or a bad thing.
But he's been a starter in this league.

Speaker 2 He He was the number one pick. He's only 31 years old and he has some continuity with Mike Kafka.
I think he has been calling plays and now he's the interim head coach. So that'll be a good thing.

Speaker 2 Obviously, all things were going wrong when Russ was in there.

Speaker 2 Kind of seemed like everybody was kind of out on Russ, but he's also been put in a tough spot here with Jameis because of how bad just everything is around him defensively, offensively.

Speaker 2 You know, you only get so many opportunities to be that you were much more likely,

Speaker 2 much be much more happy to go into a spot where, hey, maybe a quarterback gets banged up. You got a good offense.
You got to go play caller.

Speaker 2 You can play four or five good games and have another five, six years in the NFL. So this is a tough spot to go in, but he's going to compete.

Speaker 2 It's going to be good vibes in that offense and that huddle. The guys seem to like him.
So you have a chance to at least compete and win a game with Jameis playing quarterback for the Giants.

Speaker 1 I'm a believer in Jameis the human, being on a microphone anytime. I don't know if this necessarily makes me a believer in the Giants playing football, but I will certainly have one eye on the game.

Speaker 1 I will certainly have one eye on the game game just to see what Jameis says. And one ear, too.
We should have one ear on that thing as well, Con Man.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the best part about Jameis playing is strictly the post-game press conferences, whether they get killed or whether they win, just because you know he's going to say some asinine shit.

Speaker 1 Or...

Speaker 1 Prophetic. In the best way.

Speaker 5 Yeah, sorry. Asinine, I used negatively there.
I meant it in

Speaker 5 a very complimentary way. Like he's going to say something that is

Speaker 5 absurd. Yeah, so ridiculous that it will be, you know, like a block news on Monday because of how awesome he is.

Speaker 1 Good luck, Jameis. Okay.
Just one last thing on this, too.

Speaker 6 I think we're going to get some good nuggets because I know

Speaker 6 Drew Brees, excuse me, is calling this game. So, you know, former mentor of Jameis, and he's also going to be able to talk to him, you know, production meetings.

Speaker 6 So some of the stories we might get from Drew Brees about Jameis that no one's known before, it'd be something to keep an eye on as well.

Speaker 1 Packers are seven and a half point favorites. How do we feel as that we look at it right now?

Speaker 1 Packers. Okay.
Yeah, me too. I don't know if anybody's changed.
Are you sure?

Speaker 5 Is LaFleur still the coach? Because I'm taking the Giants.

Speaker 1 Where's the game? Wow, maybe he's Penn State's next coach. What's that? Where's the game?

Speaker 6 I honestly don't know. It's New York.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you out? You just tap out? I know. You don't care? No, I do.

Speaker 6 But, you know, this is the kind of thing that happens to the Packers. You know, you're hoping maybe, hey, we're going to get a bunch of people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. Giants plus seven and a half.
This is no questions asked. This is no questions asked.
Giants plus seven.

Speaker 6 I don't think they'll lose, but like this is going to be way closer than it has any business being.

Speaker 1 Well, Jameis Winston's on the other side. Exactly.
Business meeting. Exactly.
No matter what. Okay.
What if Jamis steals steals a win against the Green Bay Packers? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sitting in the middle of Met Life afterwards, looking around, thanking God. Maybe a little bit of snow.

Speaker 5 Fired coaches game.

Speaker 1 They asked him a little bit of lift, a little bit of boost. And then

Speaker 1 he'll get asked a question of some sort. Jameis Winston found early success in his first start for three previous NFL teams.
For the Bucs in 2015, he won two touchdowns, 2007.

Speaker 1 That doesn't sound great. Saints, 2021, he won five touchdowns, zero interceptions, at a 70% completion rate.
And then Browns, he had three touchdowns, zero interceptions, 334 yards.

Speaker 5 15 rookie year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we know at the Bucs, he couldn't see anything.

Speaker 1 Like he actually could not see anything. This guy had no eyes.
Actually, had no eyes. We saw it, yeah.
We saw him squinting. And then this one right here.
Who's on what team? I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's people there.

Speaker 1 And then every once in a while, that was coming back the other way. He's like, how'd that did not go to my guy? And then they show him film.
He's like, oh, my guy wasn't even close to that.

Speaker 1 It gets LASIK. Things change.
Saints, he does good. Browns, he does good in his start.
Maybe it wears off a little bit later, but the Giants have him for this weekend against the Packers.

Speaker 1 Good luck to them. Now let's go to the Bengals.
Joe Burrow, they have opened his return for designation play window, which is four weeks. He's back off of IR.

Speaker 1 Remember, Jason Glazer a couple days ago said that he was aiming for Thanksgiving-ish. Obviously, this is before that, even though Thanksgiving will fall into his return window time.

Speaker 1 And we would like to let Joe Burrow know, we're pumped for you, bud. Joey B being back is great for the NFL.
And not that Joey Flack didn't do his thing.

Speaker 1 but obviously this team goes through Joe Burrow. Debuts, what are your thoughts on Joey B getting back in the facility and maybe playing a little football?

Speaker 2 I just love the message this sends to the organization, the fans, and his teammates that, you know, he's busting his ass and trying to get back as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 You can easily, for a guy like him who, you know, has the big contract, who you can say, hey, let me get fully, fully healthy and just probably focus on next year because of how this team is constructed and how it looks like it's going to compete down the stretch.

Speaker 2 So I love this for him getting back out there and competing. Flacco, he did his job.
He put up a bunch of points, threw for a bunch of yards.

Speaker 2 And he also took, I feel like, a lot less hits than everybody else had been taking, a lot less sex than even Burrow had been taking.

Speaker 2 So maybe Burrow kind of saw a little bit more of that, get the ball out quick, take care of yourself. But defensively, the things around him have to be much better.

Speaker 1 Bengals offensive line able to win anything? Not good.

Speaker 3 Not good.

Speaker 3 They got to get a lot better. And I think Joe Burrow can make them a little bit better by following the blueprint that Flacco did.
He got the ball out on time. He got the ball out quick.

Speaker 3 Not trying to always steal an extra second and a half and push the ball down the field.

Speaker 3 Let's just, hey, let's do this, let's do that, let's get it down the field a little bit, then let's take our shots.

Speaker 1 Here's some stats that aren't great for the Cincinnati Bengals. It's not just that their offensive line may be not great at protecting, but we're scoring defenses in the Super Bowl era.

Speaker 1 That's since 1966. That's a long time, brother.
In 2020, they're giving up 32.4 points a game. That's the Lions.

Speaker 1 In 1981, the Colts were giving up 33.3 points a game. In 1966, that Giants team, boy, they sucked on defense.
35.8 points per game. In this 2025 Bengals, they're giving up 33.3 points a game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's historically ass on the defensive side.

Speaker 1 They move on from a defensive coordinator, spend all their money on the offensive side, and basically tell two defensive linemen to kick rocks before the season even starts.

Speaker 1 And this is kind of what happens with the Cincinnati Bengals, Con Man.

Speaker 5 Yeah, good for Luann and Rameau. Clearly not his fault.
But the toughest part for the Bengals is the teams they've been competing for, you know, for the Super Bowl, not...

Speaker 5 you know, the division for the Super Bowl are now the wildcard teams. Like, they have to go up.
There's a chance. I mean, we mentioned it it before the show.

Speaker 5 There's a chance the wildcard teams this year are the Chiefs, Bills, and Ravens. And if you were to say that, you know, before the season, you'd probably be, you know, hung as a witch.

Speaker 5 But it's one of those things where the Bengal, every single year, something seems to happen to them that gives them some sort of misfortune. And although it does kind of blow,

Speaker 5 they still have a chance. They're talking about, I think, over the next three weeks, I believe it's Steelers, Patriots.
Ravens. I'm not sure if that first one's right.

Speaker 5 But if Flacco can get one of those and then Burrow can come back and run the table, there's a huge chance they end up with 10 wins why not the bangles do you bring them back if you're the owner do you let them play like they say the owner mr brown mr brown

Speaker 1 how much am i paying you yeah we're paying this cat

Speaker 1 out can you get out there now on that note what you're talking about is sound football mind uh if you're not that mr brown isn't i'm just saying he is a frugal business sports mind.

Speaker 1 What we are saying from outside looking in, Joey Flack's doing okay. Your team's not going to win Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 1 Do you want to put Joey B, who has been injured multiple times, including right now? Do you want to put him back out there and potentially risk something for next season? Whenever you're maybe back.

Speaker 1 Is that what you're?

Speaker 2 That's what I'm just thinking because he's clearly your franchise. He's one of the best quarterbacks.
Had an MVP caliber season last year.

Speaker 2 He's dealing with turf toe, which we know sounds not that bad, but turf toe sucks, especially if you one hit, one step the wrong way. It can start impacting next season already.

Speaker 2 So I would, depending on where the team is, when he is fully, fully healthy, I know he's going to want to go, but sometimes from that top, you got to protect the player from himself at this point.

Speaker 2 So that's the only thing I'm probably thinking of considering.

Speaker 5 And in part two, it's just like, you know what the offensive line is. You know what the defense is in.

Speaker 5 Are you going to really throw him out there and say, hey, Joe, if you don't score 45 points, we're still going to lose. So you kind of need to be.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's about winning the Super Bowl. I think for them, it's like, hey, Joe, we are our entire franchise.
We paid both your wide receivers because you wanted us to.

Speaker 1 We paid you because you wanted us to. Like, you're our franchise and you can play.

Speaker 1 And I think in Ohio, he's an ohio guy too they're not they don't have he's going to want to play for he's already showing that for and also bangles fans are going to want him to play because i think it's ohio people and if i had to guess i'd say ownership hey how much did we pay you yeah you're we're at least filling up this stadium here to get these tickets back i'm not saying that's the right decision i'm just telling you in this particular case situations are situational i don't think there's even a thought by anybody in that building to save this shit for next year i i i don't think so no if they have like a one percent two percent chance of making the playoffs and he can come back you know because like you said they're probably thinking, hey, we need to make the playoffs so we can sell the limited edition, you know, Bengals t-shirts, squeeze out as many additional shekels as we can.

Speaker 6 And like you said, he's going to want to play no matter what.

Speaker 6 So if, I mean, if they deem that he's healthy enough and there is even like a shred of a doubt that they can make the playoffs, like he's definitely going to play. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry, this entire computer just crashed over here. So we're trying to fix this thing as we're live on air.
But I think he's going to want to play. He's going to want to play.

Speaker 1 And we would like to let Joey B. know we appreciate it doing it.
Let's stay safe. I told Patrick Mahomes that.

Speaker 1 I told Mahomes that as soon as I saw him on Saturday, I think I've already said this on the show, but it needs to be restated. We said it to Joey Burrow, too, whenever he came on the show.

Speaker 1 Hey, enough with you just taking these hits that you're taking. The entire city goes as you go, brother.
And it's like, Patrick, Joey B was like, I think he told us I like taking it.

Speaker 1 It kind of wakes me up when I get in here. It's like, well, just get punched in the face before you go out there.
Let's do a controlled punch in the face so you can kind of wake up and feel tough.

Speaker 1 But as we're playing here, we need you to be healthy. Joey B started his season or his career taking huge every week.
I mean, there was a shot one week where his head was dislodged from his body.

Speaker 1 Like his helmet was sitting outside of his shoulder pads against the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah, Footcher Cross.
And then he bang, and then he goes down.

Speaker 1 And then he comes back later and leads him back to a tie. Remember, they had a tie game or whatever.
He went back on the field.

Speaker 1 Then there's one down the sideline where he like lowers his shoulders, gets like bamboozled, flipped up over top. There's one where he's running back and forth, blindsided, dead.

Speaker 1 It's like we saw in the first couple of years just Joey Burrow just getting crushed, crushed, crushed. We had had so much faith in him with how good he was going to be, but he couldn't stay healthy.

Speaker 1 This one's freak injury here. This foot one feels like a freak injury.
So I assume he's very bummed out about it. But it's like, if they can't protect him and they can't stop anybody,

Speaker 1 should there be a question on whether or not we roll the dice on next season here?

Speaker 2 I know it's anti-football, you know, as a football player to people in football, but as far as business goes, because the money is... It's paid.
It's already tied up. And you know who he is.

Speaker 2 Now he has to go out here and prove himself to anybody. So that's just a a question.
But obviously, Joe, what's that?

Speaker 1 He's got to prove himself to those season ticket holders because that was confirmed. What's that?

Speaker 5 That everybody was like, get me out of here. I don't want to go to the jungle ever again.

Speaker 1 This place freaking sucks. Yeah, but when the ruler of the jungle is good, it's a good job.
That's a good point. It was up there.
I thought it was a cool jungle. That was sweet.

Speaker 1 I thought it was a cool jungle. Other big news here, Jared Goff got a little sauce.
He was on with.

Speaker 5 97.1.

Speaker 1 Foxy knows the name. Doug Karsh.
Doug Karsh. And what's the name of the

Speaker 1 Carsian Carsian Anderson? Carshian Anderson. So Jared Goff was joining Carshan Anderson.
I'll tell you, Karsh looks awesome. The guy that gave this question to him.

Speaker 1 And Jared Goff, hey, he's got a little sauce to him. I didn't know that.
Here we go.

Speaker 4 Javon Kinlaw got in your face at one point back when they had a player ejected. What was that interaction all about? What was said back and forth?

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 13 he was not. I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what he was really saying. He jumped off sides.
I told him he jumped off sides. He said, I know.

Speaker 13 And I don't know why he was so excited about jumping off sides, but he was.

Speaker 13 And then I think that was before or after they punched St. Brown in the face.
And so I can't wait to see Lewis Riddick break that one down this week for us on Turning Point.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Lewis Riddick, turning point, this all goes back to the situation with Brian Branch. Okay, when Brian Branch had a scene or something.

Speaker 14 Punched Juju in the face.

Speaker 1 And then turning point with Lewis Riddick on X basically put out a clip. Out of context is what everybody was saying, NFL Film was saying.

Speaker 1 But basically, they were trying to build up why the punch happened and why Brian Branch felt obligated to do as such. They put it out there.

Speaker 1 It was a terrible read by whoever was running social media and decided to put it out. NFL Films actually deleted it off X and asked us to say like, hey, we did not want to do it.

Speaker 1 That is not the objective of what we're trying to do. That's not what we're looking for.
Lions people didn't forget about it, though, huh? Foxy.

Speaker 14 No, everyone was really mad about that. It felt like a hit piece.
It was just right after the, you know, the Chiefs and the ref situation. So Lions fans were pissed off about the refs.

Speaker 1 They were pissed off about that and then now i love seeing this out of jared goff having a little shit to him and kind of stirring the pot here with lou riddick and that's just it's kind of the detroit mentality here and jared goff is embracing it yeah you guys are kind of getting calls though because i saw on deron payne's instagram story maybe he wasn't the only one throwing punches to helmets really on payne has been suspended for a game for the punch that he put on a monros st.

Speaker 1 Brown but he says why don't we take a little closer look at this situation on the left center of the screen there. It's Amon Ra and Deron Payne.

Speaker 1 There's a push, there's a shove, and then watch Deron Payne's helmet here. Boom.
That was a right to the face. So Deron Payne posts this and says, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I get suspended again because everybody sees what I do. But how about Amon Ross St.
Brown? You're right in front of a ref.

Speaker 1 There's a red eye on it, literally a hat on it. And he punched him right.
Hey, oh, oh, oh, whoa, whoa. So obviously they were into it.
First of all, love that Amon Ross St.

Speaker 1 Brown's getting into it with a defensive lineman. Okay, it's a wide receiver, your best wide receiver.

Speaker 1 He's in the middle of fighting actually with a defensive lineman, a big one, a dog for the other team. So obviously he's a guy that likes to mix it up.
We appreciate that.

Speaker 1 But basically, what Duron was saying was, okay, so I'm getting suspended for one game. When you get suspended one game, that is without pay.

Speaker 1 Okay, so it all like some of the announcements that'll come out, they're like, he's suspended without pay. I think that's normally whenever the game check is maybe a little bit lower.

Speaker 1 This one, they're like, he's suspended for a game. And they didn't say without pay.
Every suspension is without pay. You don't get, you don't work that week.
I think his game check is very big.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I, if our math was right, we think it's about a million dollars. This guy, he's losing a game check and getting suspended.
Clearly, he can't be doing sneak right hooks. Can't be doing it.

Speaker 3 Can't be doing it, especially on prime time.

Speaker 1 Terrible decision. But he's like,

Speaker 1 so the guy gets punched as a hero. Okay.
He punched me in the face earlier. Now I'm getting fined and suspended basically for a game for what I did.

Speaker 1 Interesting how the Detroit Lions once again are now always on

Speaker 1 the right. Is the league pushing the Detroit Lions? Once again, carrying their water a little bit.

Speaker 2 But it does surprise me. I'm in Ron St.
Brown mixing it up with a big dude. I've seen his pops.
I can kind of tell how he was raised. He can get into it with anybody.

Speaker 2 But it does surprise me that the ref, number one, didn't throw a flag. I don't think I've ever seen a punch thrown or whatever you want to call it, punch slap.

Speaker 2 Somebody get hit in the face in the helmet in front of the ref and it not be a flag thrown. A lot of times, coaches say, hey, the second guy always gets caught or get in trouble.

Speaker 2 So I would tell Payne, just slap in the mouth right there. So that way you look at the whole play, the whole situation.

Speaker 2 Maybe you find both of them, maybe you throw both of them out the game, whatever it is, you don't wait until...

Speaker 1 No, no, no. You're saying nobody throws any punches.

Speaker 2 If a punch is thrown, you throw one back. That's what I'm saying.
That's right.

Speaker 1 We're already in the scene.

Speaker 2 We're in the scene. You got punched.
You got the right to defend yourself. That's, once again, this is me speaking from my standpoint.

Speaker 2 And I think it would have been handled differently if it was that way because we all just saw the pain punch. We're like, damn, what the hell did St.

Speaker 2 Brown say to him because it was so far separated, two different instances. But, you know, not surprised at all from St.
Brown.

Speaker 1 Howie, you guys are fighting each other a lot down there in the trenches. Like you, offensive linemen, hand-to-hand combat.
That's literally what every single day is.

Speaker 1 We're big bodies, hand-to-hand combat. D-linemen as well.
They work on their hands a lot. A lot of them get into boxing.

Speaker 1 Max Crosby, I think, spars with UFC fighters during the offseason to kind of get prepared for that. So hands being thrown and everything like that, kind of normal for football as a whole.

Speaker 1 It's the post-play shenanigans that the NFL absolutely hates, right? AQ?

Speaker 3 Well, that's why the coaches coaches always try and get it out of practice because typically how you practice is how you play.

Speaker 3 They don't even want you practicing, throwing a punch in practice because, first of all, it's going to make you tired. You're going to be dog shit on your next play.

Speaker 3 And then you can't do it in a game. So it's like, what's the point of doing this, right? Like, there's no point.
And when you do that, you get suspended or you get fined.

Speaker 3 And now you're out the next game. It's just, there's nothing good that can come from it.
BA used to just run guys for the entire practice.

Speaker 1 That's what BA said. He's fighting done happen in my practices, right? It's like, don't you kind of like fighting? He goes, no, fighting is a penalty.
I don't like fighting.

Speaker 1 No, if they want to get after it in between the whistles,

Speaker 1 you do what you got to do. But afterwards, we're not having a big scrum, the big fight that we have seen and become accustomed to in the

Speaker 1 training camp practice, joint fight.

Speaker 1 Joint practice, how there's always a fight there. And we as former players, me as former players, watch a lot of these practices goes, that's a guaranteed fight every single time.

Speaker 1 And BA is on the opposite end of that. BA is like, no, it's not.
You just run these guys. They want to fight.
Sweet. Now we're running.
Hope you had a blast. This is Thursday of training camp.

Speaker 1 You You missed an entire practice just doing cardio because you guys wanted to fight because of it being a penalty or whatever.

Speaker 1 I still believe though that if I'm head coach of a team, it will be a good thing. You want to see it? Yeah.
And my guys better be all in there too.

Speaker 1 It better, hey, we better have 114 people in this one if we're going to have it. If not, we're showing it on team meeting.
We're asking where this person is.

Speaker 1 But on that note, I guess you are kind of sending a wrong message to the boys, especially whenever actual games start coming around.

Speaker 3 What about veteran guys? Because I know early on, I used to love to mix it up. That was like my way as as a guy trying to make a name in the league.

Speaker 3 That was my way to, like, hey, I ain't backing down, right? Like, I'm going to be in this fight. But as I got older, once I saw it, I'd start to back away a little bit.
Boy, good job over there.

Speaker 3 You guys are doing great. I'm not wasting my energy.
I'm not getting out of breath because I got another period to run 30 or more plays.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for you, though, wouldn't they just kind of take their hands on your forehead like this, and you would just be doing this

Speaker 1 underneath?

Speaker 3 Hey, remember, I trained UFC. I could kick.
I could do all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 Of course,

Speaker 1 of course. Big news out of Jacksonville, Duval.

Speaker 1 The day after the draft, okay, this past year, the brand new leadership group down in Jacksonville, Stoner and Liam Cohen, did a press conference about trading a bunch of picks to get up to number two.

Speaker 1 They draft Travis Hunter. That came out of nowhere.
Huge pop for draft night for us as our draft spectacular and for everything else.

Speaker 1 So then Stoner, the next day, does a press conference and he basically says, drafting Travis Hunter at number two is showcasing that football could be lived outside the box.

Speaker 1 Football is a sport that you're supposed to kind of explore the boundaries. Football is a sport that you're supposed to take to the next level.

Speaker 1 Football is something that is right now, but it can be different in the future. And players like Travis Hunter are the guys that are going to change it.

Speaker 1 And that's why we took a big swing to all of our fans to say, hey, we are going to try to move in a positive direction, in a different direction than in the past. We got a player that is an anomaly.

Speaker 1 We got a player that's unique. We got a unicorn.
We got an alien in Travis Hunter. And I felt the excitement all the way in Indianapolis.
I think we felt excitement across the entire country.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to Jacksonville, we said, and congratulations to Travis Hunter, who's a guy that's going to attempt something that nobody's ever really been able to do in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 There's been a lot of great athletes that have played in the NFL. There's been players that have played on both sides, but only in small packages because it's so many reps on both sides.

Speaker 1 How could your body hold up? How could your brain hold up with it all? Travis Hunter was trying it. At the beginning of the season, we're more on offense than we are on defense.

Speaker 1 Then we're getting 100-something snaps on defensive side, 100-something snaps on the offensive side.

Speaker 1 Everything's rolling, and we're thinking to ourselves, wait a minute, Travis Hunter's about to do something that we've never seen before. He might not be as good this year at both these positions.

Speaker 1 He's certainly splashy and everything like that. But next year, with the amount of experience, he might be able to do this for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 1 And we might be talking about one of the greatest football players of all time. Then on Thursday, in practice, we hear of an injury.
On Friday, we find out that he's out. Then they put him on IR.

Speaker 1 Then we get a response that the ACL is intact. And we're like, well, if they're looking at the ACL, that means something really not good.

Speaker 1 Turns out LCL is torn and he has been put put on the bench basically for the rest of the season to get healthy and to gear up for next year.

Speaker 1 So D-Bud, I ask you, as a person that was a wide receiver and a DB, obviously focused more on DB once you got to college and into the NFL. We all wondered if his body was going to be able to hold up.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying his body quit here on a Thursday practice because things can happen. I mean, which is even more so a part of playing two positions.
You're very vital to the team.

Speaker 1 If you lose one person, you lose two positions. It's very difficult.
That's a whole nother conversation about somebody playing on on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1 How should we view this, you think, at this moment with this news? And what do you think the future looks like for Travis Hunter?

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm still all in on Travis Hunter and him maybe being that unicorn. You know, we saw him do it at the collegiate level, the high level to win the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 2 And we saw them move mountains to jump up to number two and go draft him. Anybody getting drafted number one, number two overall at whatever position,

Speaker 2 the height of your expectations are you could be potentially you know one of the best players ever in the league. That's why you're drafted so high.

Speaker 2 so i'm still all in on him the injuries injuries happen his football it's a hundred percent injury rate everyone is going to get hurt it's unfortunate that it happened in practice early in his in his rookie season we saw so much more that he could do on both sides of the ball and i still i'm still holling him i still think he can do the both ways thing um he just has to get healthy now he has the rest of this season to get healthy get his body in shape and more so the mind the mental part of the game is what i think most even pros former pros are like hey it's it's tough just to play week to week on one side of the ball so that would be the biggest challenge for him going forward is between the ears you know handling both positions yeah and that's where i'm at i think he needs to just focus on one side i think okay so you're saying you are he's saying i'm still in on the uh travis hunter experience you're saying nope this was an indicator from the football gods that he needs to just go ahead and focus on one side of this thing and give him a package maybe on the other side i'm still all in on him yeah exactly i think he needs to be focusing on one side and for me it would be wide receiver because that's where i think he can have the most damage And whenever you look at the other side of the ball, okay, maybe put him in on some nickel situations or some third-down situations.

Speaker 3 Give him those looks in practice. Hey, these 15 things you're going to focus on on defense, we might sprinkle you in, but most of the time, you are an offensive player.

Speaker 3 You're going to help us score points. It's a points-driven league.
Let's let him focus there.

Speaker 1 Would that be abnormal to guys in the past? That would kind of be similar to what other guys have maybe done in the past.

Speaker 1 Yeah, rarely, rarely. No, yeah, I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, but it's like two, three. Yeah, like Deion Sanders, you know, hey, we got these, you know, these 10, 15 players you may run.
Julian Edelman, he played a little DB.

Speaker 2 Troy Brown played some DB before him, but more like a, hey, cat coverage, you got that type of guy.

Speaker 2 But if you're running in any type of sophisticated deep, and everything's sophisticated on this level, it's a week-to-week.

Speaker 2 Like, we're playing the Rams this week and we're playing the Cardinals next week. Those are two different offenses or defenses.
But yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm still with it. Because I've seen him do so many things that I've never really seen done before.
So I still want to see where it can go kind of maybe selfishly.

Speaker 2 But at AQ, if I'm a coach, maybe I do go from the same, hey, maybe put him on one side. But as a fan, I still want to see the experiment work out.

Speaker 5 You could argue the only bright spot in the last three weeks for the Jags was Travis Hunter in London going up against the Rams. And I think he went for 108 and a touchdown.

Speaker 5 He was the only player to score for the Jags. I think they lost 35 to 7.
But it does seem as though, hey, 20 and in, you're going to play corner when we're in the red zone. And guess what?

Speaker 5 We're going to need one here.

Speaker 5 Once you go out there, get your hands on that ball, maybe get a turnover, and then at least he can focus in Leon Cohen, you know, offensive coach, and get in that system, help out Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 Yeah, offensive coach is a big deal, I think.

Speaker 1 Offensive coach is going to want to, you know. Hey, I got ideas.
And he's the head coach of the team, you know, and he is faster, quicker, explosive, and has good football IQ and feel.

Speaker 1 So we're not saying Travis Hunter is not going to be a great NFL player at this point. None of us are, right? No way.
Yeah, he's awesome. We all think he's going to be an incredible.

Speaker 1 But what's it going to look like is the big question. They will only be able to figure that out.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have some breaking news live from Wave.

Speaker 1 Wave Sports and Entertainment, the leader in digital entertainment for next generation audiences. I think that's bullshit.
But on that note, they are launching a brand new show. Run it, Foxy.

Speaker 15 This is Ringman. Two brothers, one Mike, absolutely no filter.
Hey, do you have to wipe your with your left hand? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 15 If you're a goalie, how many fights a year would you have? Like if there's a partial scrum and he's kind of involved, my toes are at the rubhead.

Speaker 15 Coffee with some protein powder. Time out.

Speaker 1 Time out.

Speaker 9 I love you, but you're nuts.

Speaker 1 Post the blooper reel right after. That'd be epic.

Speaker 15 Before episode one drops out.

Speaker 16 He drops out of college.

Speaker 3 Okay, now I'm in my own head.

Speaker 8 Before episode one gets released, I said the first thing I did again.

Speaker 5 I said it again.

Speaker 15 What's up, everyone? It's Matthew KaChuck here.

Speaker 16 Oh, guys. It's Matthew Kachuk.
You're not on Matthew Kachuck. Sorry.

Speaker 2 Let's read Do that one more time. The first and only hot.

Speaker 15 One more, and this is all she wrote. I'm gonna mic drop after.

Speaker 6 Let's get into it.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, let's from the people that brought you the new heights podcast now bring you wingmen with joining us now, Matthew and Brady Kachar.

Speaker 1 Boys, congratulations. Doing a show like this, especially with the people from Wave who've obviously accomplished the brother podcast to the highest of new heights for sure, is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 Let's start with you, Matt. Matt, when did you know that you guys wanted to do a podcast? And what are you kind of hoping that this podcast will show to the world?

Speaker 17 I would say it was right before playoffs when we were offered kind of something along the lines of a podcast. And both of us are in playoffs.
We're like, all right, we'll talk to you

Speaker 17 down the road and we'll figure it out. And I think it started to slowly pick up a little bit of steam in the summer after winning.

Speaker 17 And I don't know, it just kind of happened really quickly and finally is actually happening. So for us, it's super exciting.

Speaker 17 Our first episode drops tomorrow on November 13th, but throughout the NHL season, it'll be on Wednesdays. But we're just super excited.
Like we FaceTime pretty much daily, weekly, whatever.

Speaker 18 Now we're getting paid to do it once a week. Are you kidding me? So it's

Speaker 17 pretty exciting. And

Speaker 17 I'm just super excited to grow the game. Our dad always said, you better leave the game in a better place when you got here.
I mean, there was a few F-bombs obviously thrown in there, but that's good.

Speaker 17 But this is our best way of doing it. And we're super excited.
We feel like we're the luckiest guys in hockey. We're given like a golden ticket right now.

Speaker 17 I don't know why they chose us to do it, but we are so excited.

Speaker 1 Well, we as hockey fans feel like we've been given a thing on a golden platter here with YouTube chatting more about the game that a lot of people need to fall in love with and they will, especially if they see it.

Speaker 1 So more eyes on the product, the better. Brady, let's chit-chat a little bit about the plan for the show.
We're going to have guests.

Speaker 1 We're going to be chit-chatting because Jason and Travis, they chit-chatted about at the beginning of New Heights about how, you know, we get a chance to catch up basically weekly.

Speaker 1 And to your point, Matt, they're going to pay us for this.

Speaker 1 Are you guys having guests there as well are we gonna learn more about the hockey culture you think through this show and that's a great thing i think for hockey brady

Speaker 19 yeah i think our for the first bunch episodes i think it's just gonna be us talking of course majority hockey but know the thing about matth and i we're interested in all sports we are so competitive growing up um and then just other life things i think that's what's you know our face times are usually about where we're just kind of just talking about what's kind of going on so uh i know we're excited about just kind of building off that.

Speaker 19 And I think down the road, invite some guests and really have a great time with them.

Speaker 1 We know the wave people are incredibly talented. Can't wait to see the clips as well, which people will be able to follow along with.
Excited to see what you boys bring to hockey.

Speaker 1 Brady, Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, boys, thanks again for fighting Canada this year. That was incredible in the Four Nations.

Speaker 1 That moment.

Speaker 5 That moment will live on forever, no matter what. But Brady, I wanted to ask you: since your brother plays for the Panthers, you've been able to kind of see, you know, the Stanley Cup kind of

Speaker 5 equation or basically the things that the Panthers were able to do to get there and, you know, complete the journey twice back to back.

Speaker 5 Are there things you pull from that to kind of implement into your own locker room? You know, you're the captain. You're the one that kind of sets the tone.

Speaker 5 Are there things you pull from the Panthers and Matt and Brad Marchan, because he's the best player on the team, things that you can bring to Ottawa?

Speaker 19 Yeah, no, I've been around the last two years and I'll just talk with Matthew throughout them.

Speaker 19 I think the number one thing that I've taken from them and from especially Matthew battling through stuff is just the resilience of day in, day out, it's a new day, it's a new opportunity. And just

Speaker 19 if things are kind of hitting the fan a little bit,

Speaker 19 it's just stick with it and

Speaker 19 believe you're going to win. So I think the resilience from Matthew especially that kind of translated to that group is something that I've taken and try to implement with the auto centers.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Atawa has an elbow room or not, but hopefully they get a chance to enjoy as much as they have down there in South Florida. Matty, let's talk about it a little bit.

Speaker 1 You're injured right now. How's the body feel? I saw you whenever we did game day with the hurricanes.
Had a little bit of a limp there. Obviously, you were nowhere near 100%.
Where are you at now?

Speaker 1 Both of you, I guess. We'll start with you, Matt.
Where's the body at? How do you feel? And what does the season look like for you other than just the Wingmen podcast?

Speaker 17 Yeah, I feel really good right now on track, if not better,

Speaker 17 for my return here.

Speaker 17 And we have like the little I don't want to say we have a date you know a solid date but we have a little I don't know a two-week period where I'm planning to be back by and I've been really really happy with how it's gone so far obviously coming with winning last year and the effects of it on just some of the things you got to deal with so I'm I'm recovering I feel better than ever I'm excited to get back on the ice with the boys I miss it so much like Brady and I were talking about actually on our practice podcast it's like our biggest passion in life is hockey, right?

Speaker 17 And we love playing it more than anything in the world. But right now, like all we get to do is talk about it.
So it's actually been really fun kind of going through this process.

Speaker 17 And I just think people are going to like listen to it a lot.

Speaker 1 Well, I hope you also explain to the people how injured everybody is in hockey, seemingly at all times. And you guys just never talk about it.
It's an upper body. Well, what part?

Speaker 1 Just it's north of the Mason-Dixon dicket line. You know, just know that that is, it's a, it's from up here.
Don't ask me questions. Brady, for you, how do you feel? What's going on with your body?

Speaker 1 And And what are your expectations on the ice for the season?

Speaker 19 Yeah, I'm feeling great. I'm four weeks post-surgery and finally able to grab my stick and stick handle and stuff.
There's a couple weeks of no pucks, no sticks, just bag skating.

Speaker 19 So that was a lot of fun to do.

Speaker 1 The worst, it sounds like. That sounds like the worst of all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All-time worst.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 19 it's good that now able to stick handle and

Speaker 19 hopefully back in the next couple of weeks. And I'm just feeling really good about our team, you know, our final way, and and really excited just to get back and go to battle with them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Florida Panthers kind of ass right now, Ottawa, kind of good right now. Hope you're enjoying that during the Wingman podcast.

Speaker 1 Debut episode tomorrow will come out Wednesdays throughout the season. Brady, did you lose your dangles because you weren't able to control the pocket off?

Speaker 1 Did you walk out there and look like a dip shit on the ice whenever you got back in the speaker?

Speaker 1 Brady,

Speaker 19 oh, I had my boxing gloves still on, so it was some tough locks.

Speaker 19 Two weeks to work on it.

Speaker 1 Okay, Ty has the last question for both of you. Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 6 Yeah, for both of you guys, obviously,

Speaker 6 winning the Stanley Cup is the end-all, be-all. It's what you're trying to do each and every year.

Speaker 6 But with the Olympics coming around and given how vital you guys both were to USA's team in the Four Nations,

Speaker 6 how important does that become? I mean, even right now, we're kind of starting to talk to it or talk about it because it is getting closer.

Speaker 6 Like, ultimately, where does that rank when it comes to winning a Stanley Cup or having the opportunity to win an Olympic gold medal?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah, man.

Speaker 17 I think that the ultimate goal, right, is winning a Stanley Cup. But when you get this opportunity once every four years, and for us, it's not even every four years.

Speaker 17 This is our first time being able to compete for our country in the Olympic stage. like hockey to us is the greatest sport in the world.
I really think this is why

Speaker 17 our friends at Wave wanted to get this podcast going now to like build some steam for hockey and get it like going and

Speaker 17 just really excite people for the personalities and the sport of hockey for the Olympics.

Speaker 17 And for us to get that call in June to make the team already was like one of the greatest calls you could ever receive.

Speaker 17 And I just truly think that for the first time in so long that NHL players are going to the Olympics. Like we're so passionate about our country.

Speaker 17 Like we want to win gold medal more than anything in the world right now. And it's, I think it's a great time to be a hockey fan.
I think it's a great time to be a hockey fan for the Americans.

Speaker 17 And we're really excited about not only the first six, but the team that we can have over there. And if the Four Nations was the appetizer, I can't wait for this main dish here in the Olympics.

Speaker 1 Yeah, neither can we.

Speaker 1 And Brady, do you echo his sentiment or have anything to add on about playing for America where we all get real excited about us beating the hell out of, you know, founders of the sport, Canada?

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. And then obviously Eastern Europe is having quite a showing in hockey, but whenever we're winning, we're a lot louder.
We like to be obnoxious about it.

Speaker 1 Are we going to have that in the Olympics? And what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 19 I mean, there's just so much pride playing for the U.S. and just felt like, you know, you weren't just playing for the guys in that room.
You're truly playing for everybody in the country.

Speaker 19 Everybody that serves protects, you know, our country, keeps us safe. You really feel like you're playing for something bigger than yourself.
And I really can't believe it's 90 days away.

Speaker 19 It's so far and up.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, you get those boxing gloves off your hands, okay? We need you to have some good touch, brother, okay? And keep those boxing gloves on when we're fighting the other country.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you, boys. Good luck with Wingmen debuting tomorrow.
You can download that at where all podcasts are seen. They have a bunch of social media platforms as well.

Speaker 1 And then it'll be on Wednesdays throughout the rest of the year. We will certainly be watching, and we appreciate you for stopping by and giving us an opportunity to chat about it.
Good luck, boys.

Speaker 17 Oh, thank you. Thanks, Pat, as always.

Speaker 1 I wish you guys would have spoken in unison, you know?

Speaker 1 One's in Conodo, one's in South Florida. I mean, that's how it's going to be.
Ladies and gentlemen, duck cut chucks. Yeah, boys.

Speaker 1 Those are good Americans right there. That's right.
Chucks are good Americans. Talking about hockey would be good.
Yeah. I think anytime we get more players talking about hockey, the better.

Speaker 1 Because the hockey culture is like, don't talk.

Speaker 1 So then you don't really get to know about it because there's no real personal connection to anybody that's in hockey because they literally have been told their entire life, hockey isn't about you.

Speaker 1 It's about the team. But then you realize once you started kind of sorting through it all, it's like hockey's got great moxie.
These boys.

Speaker 1 They'll eat pucks, lose their teeth, drink 45 beers, get out there the next day with a broken back, play for the boys.

Speaker 1 It's like, I think anytime we get to learn more and more about a sport, it's better. Hockey is certainly one of those, and they're only up and to the right at this point.

Speaker 1 Wingmen should be beautiful with the Kachucks debuting tomorrow. That's from Wave, the leader in digital entertainment for next generation audiences.

Speaker 1 I think there's some stats about all that, but nonetheless, Wave, you are awesome for making this happen with the Kachucks. We'll be back on the other side.
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Speaker 1 How about the Kitchuck brothers launching a podcast into space tomorrow?

Speaker 6 Pretty sweet, actually, because, like you said, you know, you outside of like maybe spitting chiclets, I feel like current guys who are actually playing right now, like we, we've said this several times over the last few years.

Speaker 6 Like, it'd be nice to hear more from these guys, especially guys who are actually household names.

Speaker 6 And we just don't, you know, every once in a while we'll get a player on the show, and it's always an awesome conversation.

Speaker 6 And that's always the first reaction: wow, it'd be sweet if we could hear more from these guys on a more, you know, ordinary basis as opposed to just every few months someone comes on.

Speaker 6 So for them to be doing it each and every week, like, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 And we say this from a standpoint of we've been doing this show since what, 2017? Yep. And I'm from Pittsburgh, which is hockey, time

Speaker 1 uh usa i've seen a couple stanley cup celebrations you need to not maybe used to be they are right now

Speaker 1 they are right now hey we are again really with the same boys that created this as hockey time

Speaker 1 they're still there and we're still doing trophies there i know you guys had hockey beach for a while it's still it's currently down there right now

Speaker 1 are they yeah talking about the standing sitting right in front of

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 2 we We played a lot of hockey last couple of years, right?

Speaker 1 And that's actually what Kachuck said just last hour. He's like, we play a lot of hockey, and you know, you win back-to-back Stanley Cups.
That's a long time.

Speaker 1 And three straight Stanley Cups, back-to-back winning of Stanley Cups. That's a lot of hockey.
The body did take some wear and tear, but I'll be back. He said I'm ahead of schedule.

Speaker 1 He said there's a two-week window that I might be responding or returning in. It's all on good.
But if you look up there towards the top of everything, you know, it's right back to what it should be.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh Penguins sitting at five. Boston Bruins at four.

Speaker 1 Canadiens, what? I didn't know they could still play hockey. Carolina Hurricanes, they got some Kaniacs down there.
And the New Jersey Devils, we know that they're there now. They won't be later.

Speaker 1 So let's just assume that the two through five will bump up at least one because the Devils will do something to figure this whole thing out. But I don't see the Red Wing.
Oh, they're down at 10th.

Speaker 1 I don't see the Florida. Oh, they're down at 13th.
Okay. Yeah.
Hockey down's back, I think.

Speaker 1 In Boston, we saw, I ran into like four or five people yesterday from Boston whenever we were down there in Paris Island. Man, you all have the same mindset.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're all the way back.

Speaker 1 Every sport.

Speaker 1 Every sport, we're back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry about it. Basically, is what they were saying.
Short guy, little round guy. He's from Rhode Island, I think.
He had a sweet hat.

Speaker 1 He looked like a picture of what a New Englander, about 55, 60 years old, should look like. Hands in pockets, sweet jacket.
Yeah, we're back. You know, just kind of, should be good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it should be good. Young coaches, too.
Yeah, we should be good around the entire thing. It's like, I'm around a masso on a regular basis.
He feels as if all the sports are back.

Speaker 1 You guys actually are, it does for you. Yeah, a thousand percent.

Speaker 5 And the Bruins being good is incredible just because we've really only lost guys.

Speaker 5 But to what you were saying last hour about, you know, the hockey player toughness, Zidane O'Cara, Boston Bruin legend, he just went into the Hall of Fame and Don Sweeney, the GM, gave this speech or this kind of little story on the red carpet to the Hall of Fame or whatever, talking about how Chara, who broke his jaw in game six of the Stanley Cup final, he went and saw him that night in the hospital and he walked into the hospital room, jaw, you know, wired shut, Sweeney's like emotional, like, holy shit, this is our captain.

Speaker 5 Our captain's out. And Chara picked up a pencil and just wrote down, I'm playing, on the paper or whatever was in front of him.

Speaker 5 And then the next night or two nights after, whenever game seven was of the Stanley Cup finals against the Blues, I believe it was in 2019, you know, he was introduced in the starting lineup and he had the whole entire, you know, fishbowl face plate on.

Speaker 5 and everything. So it's one of those testaments just to the hockey player toughness you were talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Pittsburgh has it all again. Okay, the Pittsburgh Penguins are back on top.
But from that, my 30th birthday, I had a Pittsburgh Penguin cake. Growing up, I was a diehard Pittsburgh Penguins.

Speaker 1 30th birthday, I had a Pittsburgh Penguins cake. Like growing up, diehard Pittsburgh Penguins fan.
Couldn't get tickets to the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Okay, but we could potentially get tickets to get into the igloo, obviously celebrate it all. Street hockey, deck hockey where I'm at.
Like I'm lifelong Penguins. Actually, lifelong Penguins fan.

Speaker 1 Can't skate, but I certainly enjoy when the Penguins are good.

Speaker 1 Since we have retired, I think I've sang the praises of the Pittsburgh Penguins and called Sidney Crosby the goat for eight years straight now at this point, very loudly.

Speaker 1 We couldn't get a Pittsburgh Penguin on this show for the life of us ever. Before we're on ESPN, when we're on ESPN, you name it.

Speaker 1 There's a lady that works for the Pittsburgh Penguins, an Italian lady who's the PR person who has just shut it down every single turn. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
And she's not the only one.

Speaker 1 It's like every team, basically, all of hockey basically had the culture of nope, nope, nope, nope, not allowed. It's not about them.
It's about the team. It's about the team.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, what about your league? Like, don't you think if we learned about these, like Sidney Crosby's really, we met him at Big Night Out.

Speaker 1 She and they and he was kind of forced to be there because every Paul Skeynes was there, Roffisberger was there. You name it.

Speaker 1 We had basically everybody from Pittsburgh in their building, okay, in their building. So I think they felt obligated to go.
Sidney Crosby's like one of the coolest dudes on earth.

Speaker 1 Threw a football 20 yards through a thing, won a million dollars for somebody, talk shit. Chris Latang talks shit.

Speaker 1 Evgeny Malcolm talks shit, it's like, man, it would be great if you guys would have just done something in the last like 20 years that you've been here, because I think we would have only grown our appreciation for the team and for the sport as a whole.

Speaker 1 So any type of media that hockey does, we love. So we're pumped that Wave is doing that.
With the Kachuck brothers, I think it's going to be great.

Speaker 1 I don't know if we just need to see them in like just bare. Did you see that?

Speaker 5 Yeah, maybe you spruce up.

Speaker 1 If we tape a hockey stick or buck to the wall or something.

Speaker 1 But I I think it's going to be great. And I think once they start talking and we learn about it, it's only good for the sport.
So up into the right.

Speaker 1 And shout out to Gary Bettman, the commissioner of the NHL, sending a video back whenever I asked him, like within 20, 30 minutes, live from the Hall of Fame saying thank you and happy birthday to the Marines.

Speaker 1 So it's like, we love the NHL. We love hockey players.
We love their culture. We're happy that it's going to be exposed.

Speaker 1 And here's Sidney Crosby winning a million dollars for somebody at Big Night Out. And Chris Latang and Gino said he's definitely going to make it.
I didn't think so. He did.

Speaker 1 Paul Skeens threw 100 mile an hour football off of that thing, and it was a magical night. It legitimately was a magical night.
And all I thought afterwards was Sidney Cross would be so cool.

Speaker 1 Why would we not want him to be talking? Well, that's a hockey decision, I guess, that has been made a long time ago. 12-year NFL vet, Super Bowl champion, A.Q.
Shipley's here.

Speaker 1 Thank you. We're going to get to your talking points and your takeaways here in a matter of moments.

Speaker 1 Joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a man who is a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk.

Speaker 1 Hawker, how are you doing, pal? Big news in the NFL. Brian Dayball gets fired.
He leaves his house in the middle of a snowstorm, has a Penn State hoodie on. A.Q.

Speaker 1 Shipley goes, he's going to be an ex-head coach. Penn State, that's good news.
We have no idea if Dayball, who's dabes and confused at the moment, even wants to be a college football coach.

Speaker 1 But it sounds like Penn State people are like, think we found him. And he was on a tabloid.
That is exactly who we are looking for.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on potentially Dayball becoming Penn State coach that we talked about in the first hour?

Speaker 20 Yeah, it wasn't like my initial thought when he got fired, like, oh, Penn State should go snatch him up. But it does seem to make sense the more you think about it.

Speaker 20 Like AQ said, they've been looking for an explosive offense for many years now. So Dabo, we know he can score some points offensively and seems to be a guy that can relate to people and

Speaker 20 recruit some dudes there and hire the right staff. So why not? I would imagine Penn State's at least going to reach out and try to interview this guy.

Speaker 1 Has anybody reached out to you from Penn State since the first hour of you just saying, I'd love this guy to be the head coach? Because I'm going to be honest, I've not heard it either, AJ.

Speaker 1 AJ, you said your first thought when Dabo gets fired isn't like, he should be the Penn State coach. Me neither.
I don't think really anybody thought it.

Speaker 1 Then I see him wearing that hoodie leaving his house and I go,

Speaker 1 is this him saying maybe I'm interested? Then you look into it. It's like, no, actually, his kid goes there.
It's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 So are we saying? And then AQ this morning. Brian Dayball is going to be a coach of Penn State.
Didn't you live?

Speaker 1 That's just what you're hoping, right?

Speaker 1 That's exactly what I'm hoping. I love that.

Speaker 3 I actually thought that was me when I saw that picture there for a sec.

Speaker 1 Bald, white with

Speaker 1 a goatee wearing a Penn State hoodie.

Speaker 3 I just, yeah, clearly the snow gate.

Speaker 1 His shoes are much better than yours.

Speaker 3 Much skinnier than me now, then, too. I mean, he's, but he is.
I think he's the perfect hire. I think he brings accountability.
He's everything you would want in a coach.

Speaker 3 Again, like I mentioned over and over again, it's Sabin and Belichick Tree. Obviously, McDermott and Buffalo, but what he did with Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 And we need an explosive offense to win in college football these days. And you need a quarterback.
I think he can get both of those.

Speaker 1 I hope that happens. And speaking of quarterback, Dayball's gone.
Now Jameis Winston's getting some shine. And is Dayball gone if Jameis has been starting all season? We'll find out.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on Jameis Winston starting for the Giants, A.J. Hawk?

Speaker 20 Yeah, as a fan of the NFL and a fan of Jameis, I am very excited about this. But I instantly thought of Russ.
Like, did they come and sit him down in the QB room and say, hey, Jameis is going to go?

Speaker 20 Like, Russ, this is your time to be ready. We might need you.
You're one play away.

Speaker 1 How's it work? Honestly, I don't know. Like, I think some people were saying that maybe Shane told Russ that he could be starter for Giants, which is why he signed with Giants.

Speaker 1 So if they were to make him emergency quarterback, quarterback, it'd kind of be a smack in the mouth to Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 So did Jameis know that there was a promise to Russ for him to be a starter and that Jackson Dart was going to be drafted in the first round and probably get some rub at some point?

Speaker 1 And Jameis said, it's cool. I'm just here for the vibes anyways.
How do we get to this point?

Speaker 1 I don't think any of us know, but the Russell Wilson angle, certainly a fascinating one, because how does he feel? Is he a full-time backup to Jameis Winston now?

Speaker 1 Is that a tough pill to swallow or is everybody a fan of Jameis and willing to help him, debuck?

Speaker 2 I mean, we'll see. You know, who knows? And we're getting to the point where it's like about, ah, who cares? It's going to be Giants on the next year.

Speaker 2 What's going to be the new challenge?

Speaker 1 A lot of games left. Who's going to be the new character? A lot of games.

Speaker 2 It is a lot of games.

Speaker 1 We'll watch none of them.

Speaker 2 It is good that both of these quarterbacks do have a ton of starting experience in the league, so it's not going to be too big for them. So, you know, I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 Like AJ said, it is going to be an exciting brand of football when Jameis is under 60.

Speaker 1 There'll be some primetime games we'll be forced to watch, but we'll certainly have an ear on those games. No doubt about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we might not have an eye on these games, but we're certainly going going to have an ear on them, and it's going to be, what does Jameis have to say? And we will certainly enjoy that.

Speaker 1 Now, ladies and gentlemen, joining us is a man who's a first ballot Hall of Famer, whenever he becomes eligible. He's a member of the Bull Ring of Honor and now full-time color commentator for CBS.

Speaker 1 And I like the way he calls the game. He's fun in there.
He's fun in there. Ladies and gentlemen, JJ Wall.

Speaker 1 JJ.

Speaker 1 Jage, how you doing, buddy? How you doing?

Speaker 4 I'm great. How are you guys doing? How's your Wednesday going? How is everyone?

Speaker 1 Just burning some sage over here. You know, keeping all the people's spirits out.
You got to do what you got to do. Jage, widow.

Speaker 4 Fire Marshall on hand.

Speaker 1 Well, actually, there's a fire department right across the street. They were here the other day whenever somebody blew a Febreze, they said.

Speaker 2 Sure. It was breaking news.

Speaker 6 Febreze does not set off fire alarms.

Speaker 1 Yeah, never has, never will. Really? No, Mitt told me that he took a massive dump and, whoa, Smurls.
And he took the Febreze and he blew it and set off the fire alarm.

Speaker 1 And then, lo and behold, fire department right across the street, who we appreciate, they're good people. We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 They were right over here, two trucks, no time right across the street. And we're like, whoa, it was Mitt.
And they said, oh, we get it.

Speaker 3 And they turned around and they went right back across the street.

Speaker 1 So, you know, no fire marshal needed here. None of that.
Just burning sage, classic. Everybody does it once a day just to keep the good vibes rolling.

Speaker 1 Speaking of good vibes, Jage, I'm pumped that you're here for this. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for AQ Shipley's takeaway.

Speaker 1 Jage, feel free to chime in at any moment here on AQ's three big talking points coming out of the NFL. I will.

Speaker 1 Oh, you got a microphone. Have you always had that mic right there?

Speaker 4 No. How's it sound?

Speaker 1 Really? Not when you get that close. It sounds like pickles, need to get pickles.
Sound like Dane Cook a little bit.

Speaker 4 We're going to be a little delayed on our landing here.

Speaker 1 Now's not the time.

Speaker 1 Now's not the time for those jokes, JJ. Now's not the time.
That was good, though. That was good.
That was. It did sound like an actual pilot there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but people don't want to hear that about delays.

Speaker 23 No, they don't.

Speaker 1 They're actually here in.

Speaker 1 There's been a delay to flight two.

Speaker 4 I thought you were going to solve it yesterday. I mean,

Speaker 20 you had the head honcho on.

Speaker 4 I thought this whole thing was going to get settled on the McAfee show. Government shutdown.

Speaker 1 Done. I think it did, did it?

Speaker 1 I think it actually did. He said it, and I said, whoa, I heard it's not happening yet.
He goes, well, there's certainly some other things, and then I got to sign it.

Speaker 1 But we're, they want to stop the big, beautiful bill, to be frank. He said in there, but I thought we're good.

Speaker 1 I think we're getting to a point where it's good because we've been riding alongside Mike Foss and D. Butch and people that travel literally every single week.
What a nightmare. What? Okay, breaking.

Speaker 1 We have breaking.

Speaker 1 Now that we're in this world,

Speaker 1 the House Rules Committee voted 8 to 4 to advance the Senate-passed government funding package. It now goes to the House floor for consideration.
Okay, there's so many steps.

Speaker 1 They already fucking voted twice for it.

Speaker 2 We did it. I know it.
I don't know if we did it.

Speaker 4 We did it.

Speaker 1 McAfee Show

Speaker 4 ended the government shutdown.

Speaker 1 Nobody's talking about it. Nobody's talking about it.

Speaker 4 Nobody's talking about this.

Speaker 1 They only want to write all the negative stuff.

Speaker 4 They don't want to talk about ending the shutdown. Thank you.

Speaker 1 And And it got brought up while we were talking to him. There's another standoff happening that maybe the person was a part of was there.
It wasn't brought up.

Speaker 1 We just like we talked about a little bit of journalism here. Please, we did a little bit of journalism.
Salute troops. Appreciate troops.

Speaker 1 Some people don't respect or like the troops, what I learned from yesterday. But let's get back to a man that does respect and appreciate the troops.
Hell yeah. And Jage, we like that new microphone.

Speaker 1 It looks amazing. Yeah.
Yeah, I really like it. It looks super cool down there, too.
The Wisconsin hoodie looks cool, too.

Speaker 1 I think Wisconsin people are going to be happy that you're potentially repping them a little bit. Big win.

Speaker 4 I mean, I had to. I mean, our punter was the number one passer in our game.
So we win a ranked game. Punter leading the way.

Speaker 4 It's fun to be able to support. Very excited about it.

Speaker 1 You're allowed to support whatever you cage.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, I always was supporting. Trust me, I wore this during a bad loss.
Not publicly. I wore it in my house.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about Dayball maybe going to Penn State?

Speaker 4 I thought when I saw that picture, I was like, wow, that's on the nose. That was a very on-the-nose photo.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It could be great.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 4 they've been pretty good up there. It's like

Speaker 4 the world that we're in now, kind of where we were, like doing really, really good, just not winning national championships. And sometimes you try and make that jump, and it doesn't necessarily...

Speaker 4 go that smoothly. So, I mean, that's a tough picture.

Speaker 4 Who's standing outside of his house?

Speaker 1 This is like Joe Judge when he had all the pizza and beer after he got fired. It feels like this is somebody on the fired coach, fired Giants coach beat.

Speaker 1 Go get a depressing, terrible shot of this person so we can run it and make a very clever headline. Boom, we already got it.
Dave's in confused. We just need the photo now.

Speaker 1 And if we could get multiple shots of him, maybe look a little bit lost.

Speaker 1 He get black eye too. I don't know if he got punched in the face there or if that's just maybe a shadow there because he has such a good, such a good forehead.

Speaker 1 You know, he's got good caveman-like stuff. But nonetheless, let's move along to the the takeaways from AQ Shipley, which, James, we would like you to.

Speaker 4 We're going to get there at some point. We are going to get to the takeaways.

Speaker 1 There's the first one in the top left corner of the United States map.

Speaker 2 Mike, Madman

Speaker 1 McDonald.

Speaker 1 What the hell does that mean, AQ? I just said it pretty loud.

Speaker 3 It means every time I turn on the film, this guy is a madman. He's an absolute mastermind, genius on the defensive side.
Look at this clip right here. You got split mug.
You got the two backers mug.

Speaker 3 They rock and roll the safety. Backer does a nice job.
Okuda, sack. You never know where the pressure's coming from.
Let's go to the next clip. As you see the next clip, looks the exact same.

Speaker 3 Split mug, rock and roll the safety. Let's bring the corner.
D-Butts showed this last week. Get the interception.

Speaker 3 Now, this next one doesn't look crazy. 4-2, simple, but you got two safeties coming up.
And as they come, it looks like they're bringing four to left. Bail everybody.
Bring from the right.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 3 Get to them. You never know where the pressure's coming from.

Speaker 1 Now, you're on the call for that game. Obviously, we respect and appreciate Jacoby Brissett.
We think he has a big brain. Jage, this mad boom.

Speaker 1 McDonald is a beast. We knew his defense was probably going to be good.
Offensively, they have Sam Darno maybe on an MVP pace at this particular point.

Speaker 1 Seattle's turnaround pretty crazy, though, and it's all led seemingly by the defense in this particular case.

Speaker 4 It's been incredible. And I actually have a question for AQ off of those clips because it's something I was planning on talking about this weekend because we have Todd Bowles.

Speaker 4 When everybody's up in the line of scrimmage like that, and you guys are trying to ID who's coming and whatnot, I personally feel like as a defensive guy, some of us, myself included, have not done a good enough job making our posture and stance look like we're actually coming.

Speaker 4 And it can sometimes be easy for the center to figure it out. Is it easy for you to figure it out, or are some guys much better at it than others?

Speaker 3 Some guys are much better than others. There's no question about that.
But like, the biggest thing is all about identifying the bigs first. So in this one, there's an overload.

Speaker 3 There's three bigs to the right of this picture, only one big to the left. Then you got the two backers mugged in the safety.
So now,

Speaker 3 to me, that's Sam, Mike, and Will all to the left. Now we have to figure that out.

Speaker 3 How are we going to handle the four down plus pick up one of those backers, leave one for the back, and then hot off hopefully the widest? I think that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 3 It all comes down to identifying and communicating.

Speaker 1 Where are the bigs? I guess what he's looking for. Now, AJ, what's the key to that? Not give away that you're not coming, right? Because the offensive line has to think that all of you are coming.

Speaker 20 the sell is maybe the biggest part of that defense there aj and why do why doesn't everybody do that aj everybody i mean you could you try to do it you want to do you want to look the same every single time no matter what whenever whether you're you're coming or you're not coming here you want your stance and your posture to be the same and you got to hold it to the last second yeah so if they think you're coming and all of a sudden you're not and you pull out then the quarterback if you do it too early he's going to see that and he knows bam he's going to hit somebody He knows he has time.

Speaker 20 But what's happening? AQ, okay. Are you guys assuming that everybody might come here? Like, hey, worst worst case scenario anybody's coming how do we block them?

Speaker 1 Everybody's coming.

Speaker 3 Well you have I mean typically like you can look at the DBs in the back end to kind of have a feeling if it's gonna be cover zero the only way all of them are gonna be coming is if they bring all seven right so I think that's the biggest thing but the back end will tell you when you got someone at 15 yards obviously it's not cover zero there's gonna be somebody pulling out and you're trying to stop Bukak there you know what I mean you're trying to is everybody is potentially gonna be coming there.

Speaker 1 That's all you're trying to stop. And Jacoby Brissette has a a lot of ball.
And I think this is something that's difficult. But Deep Butt, back to what I was trying to say there.

Speaker 1 Not every defense can do this because not every defense can do this, right?

Speaker 2 No, I mean, you need the players that can do it. You need the players that can cover and blitz.
And come. Witherspoon, for example, he can cover any receiver out there.
And he is a great blitzer.

Speaker 2 The rookie that they drafted. Amarari.
Emirari, I think it says.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. Emma Warrior.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he can cover. He can blitz.
So when you have those body types and those players that can do multiple things, that's one thing.

Speaker 2 And then when you put shit on film, the offenses from the next upcoming weeks they got to prepare for it so you can show a different look and then run something completely opposite and these these guys practice this stuff too this is something that's practiced and talked about monday through saturday and then you go out there and execute it on sunday okay let's go to your next takeaway your next talking point demarcus doubles

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, this stud defensive ended two touchdowns in the first 16 minutes of the game in this game.

Speaker 1 Hold on, though. Yeah.
Hold on, though. Okay.
Your takes are starting to become. Well, I'm watching a lot of these Arizona Cardinals.
I can start fitting everything into that.

Speaker 1 Is that what that is?

Speaker 1 Certainly not good for Arizona Cardinals right here. No, but you're seeing it.
Your eyes are on.

Speaker 1 We need to make sure you're watching the entire league. Oh, we are.
We'll get there.

Speaker 1 We'll get to your team here in a sec. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's all I'm talking about. Yeah, there.
We'll get there. We will get there.

Speaker 3 Thank you, thank you, thank you. But check this one out.
So they got both safeties up on the right. Now, Demarcus Lawrence is going to go to the A gap.
So he's going to go bypass the guard.

Speaker 3 They pressure us the mic. Now, watch Knight.
Boom. Right before.
Lawrence picks it up. Can't time it up any better.
I mean, literally one millisecond forward. That's an incomplete pass.
Times it up.

Speaker 3 Now, you thought that looked cool. Check it out.
They basically do the exact same thing. Different blitz on the other side.
Now we get a pick stunt. Linebacker up, pick the guard.
Lawrence around.

Speaker 3 Boom. Same exact play.
Bounces right through him. And all of a sudden, it's 21 to nothing in the second quarter.

Speaker 1 And DeMarcus doubles down.

Speaker 1 Jage, what do you see here from the Arizona Cardinals offensive line, or is this all Seattle Seahawks defense just putting them in an absolute blender?

Speaker 4 I mean, the first thing I saw was those two balls could not have bounced any better. I've never seen one bounce that cleanly to a guy.

Speaker 4 And both of them, he picked them up just casually walking in stride.

Speaker 7 Wow.

Speaker 18 But no, an unbelievable job.

Speaker 4 AQ did a really good job dissecting both of those blitzes, and they're similar but different in who's going to what gaps. And it's kind of like Debut said before.

Speaker 4 That's what makes it so hard to prepare for is you put all this stuff on film, and now on Thursday, Blitz pickup day, you're spending a half hour just going through each blitz one time, not even doing it multiple times.

Speaker 4 It's brutal.

Speaker 1 So, that's in your guys's world, in our world, anytime somebody puts a fake on film, like there'll be like a fake done whenever the game's blown out, and fans will say, Well, why are you wasting that on this particular game?

Speaker 1 It's like, well, would we call it in a really close game? Maybe not, but they have to prepare for this though. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 This is a waste of five minutes, maybe, out of a seven to ten-minute period on one particular day. They have a lot of that.
And that's why it feels like he's a mad, man,

Speaker 1 McDonald Demon.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. And it is one thing about executing it, but you got to get to those points where you can.
The first one was on second and long, and then the second one was on third and long.

Speaker 2 So like when you, when you don't, when you win on first and second down, you can kind of get the opportunity to drop exotics or drop some special shit because that's a tough down to distance for offenses.

Speaker 2 So it's about doing the basic stuff on first and second down so you can get kind of exotic on the third down.

Speaker 3 Foxy, if you can go back to the first clip too, right? They got both safeties lined up to the right. And if you see that both safeties to the right, this Mike linebacker is not coming.

Speaker 3 He is not meant to blitz. They are in an eight-man protection.
The guy that he has in coverage recognizes that he is staying into block and he adds on. And that's what happened.

Speaker 1 Oh, so that's a FEO situation there for the Mike as he said, his guy's not coming. So he says, guess what I'm going to do? I'm going to come.

Speaker 1 And then he comes good, Dunny. And then climax hits.
And then bang, Demarcus Lawrence gets his first touchdown of the game. And guess what? That's not just going to be the first.

Speaker 1 He has another climax a little bit later whenever he comes. Yeah.
And again,

Speaker 1 and again.

Speaker 1 And again. This guy's got the juice.
This guy's got sauce. He's got the sploooch.
This guy comes all the time. Now, let's go to the number one takeaway.
Yep. Warren,

Speaker 1 rookie of the year. Now.

Speaker 1 I've been saying it for a long time. Tyler Warren is the best player in football.
And is that because he was our first-round draft pick and he looked super cool?

Speaker 1 And we saw him snap his neck and get concussed and jump right back up with no, not even a second hesitation in frozen Notre Dame. Yes, that is potentially why we're saying that.

Speaker 1 But also, anytime Danny Dimes needs something, he's looking for one guy. Since game one, 84 feels like his guy.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. He's been fantastic.
And he not only is great in the past game, he's great in the blocking game. He's great.
I'm going to show a bunch of different things.

Speaker 3 But right here, fourth and two, got to have it. Down three in the fourth fourth quarter.
Free hitter up the B gap. Let's go to him.
Makes the catch, contested, runs through it. First down.

Speaker 3 They go on to tie the game to make it to go into overtime. Now we look at the next play.
This is in overtime. They've already, Atlanta's already had the ball.

Speaker 3 So now Indy just needs a field goal to win. Who are you going to go to? Yep.
Run the corner route between four defenders. Still throwing it to him.
Dime over the shoulder. What a catch.

Speaker 1 Sauce Gardner actually looks at him on silent and goes, geez, I've never seen an offense operate like this. He actually says that they have a mic'd up of Sauce throughout the entire game.

Speaker 1 Zaire's mic'd up as well, a couple of the others. It's like the vibes for the Colts are immaculate, but also Sauce just kind of falling in there being like,

Speaker 1 I can't believe this is my life. After the game, he's like, this is my first win.
This is my first win. On his sideline, he's like, a couple of times, like, I've never seen...

Speaker 1 I didn't know offenses could do this for teams that I played for. He is living a high life.
That Warren catch right there, right in front of Sauce.

Speaker 1 And you see Sauce like turn and look in like amazement. I can't believe that this happened, especially because it's overtime.

Speaker 1 Now, on this particular play with Tyler Warren making an insane catch, the person who made an insane throw is the same person that everybody's praying for his downfall.

Speaker 1 Danny Dimes in overtime needed to make a mid-range throw here on this spot in coverage, and he did.

Speaker 1 It's like Danny Dimes is a different version of himself, or maybe Danny Dimes is who he's always been, and the cults are just putting him in a spot to really showcase his greatness.

Speaker 1 But Tyler Warren helps, and we got a lot of weapons.

Speaker 3 You do have a lot of weapons. And if you don't have Danny Dimes at quarterback, guess who you put at quarterback? Tyler Warren.
Of course. Of course.
This is a power read.

Speaker 3 They're going to pull Quentin Nelson. This is only a two-yard game.
The reason I'm showing it is because it's coming. You see him following Quentin Nelson? That is coming.

Speaker 1 That is coming.

Speaker 1 Everybody's coming.

Speaker 1 Everybody's coming. But look, it felt like Tyler Warren understands because he's not the only one.
That entire team, if you listen to that mic'd up, is Jonathan Taylor is the best player in the world.

Speaker 1 Yep. This guy's the best player on planet.
Give it to him. Everybody's saying that to him.
So Tyler Warren's at a quarterback. I'm sure Shane Steichen's big takeaways are Braxton.

Speaker 1 Hey, you got the best player in the world jogging right here. So unless it is wide-ass open right in front of you, you go and just hand that thing to Jonathan Taylor and notice heat.

Speaker 1 But on that note, I think he was too selfless. I think he was supposed to keep that ball there.

Speaker 3 Probably was, but I think that's just a setup because it's coming.

Speaker 1 It's coming down the road. Oh, it is coming.
It's coming. It's on film.
It's on film.

Speaker 3 It's coming.

Speaker 1 They released it via the NFL social media account. Berlin was sick.
I think it was a sick setup. And the Colts really took advantage of it, I feel like.

Speaker 1 Jage, I don't know how much you got to follow along with Berlin.

Speaker 1 The Colts really, like Carly Ursay was buying beers for people.

Speaker 1 We were told from a DJ, our DJ source says in Germany, that she walked into an event that was happening and before getting on the microphone, asked the DJ, hey, how do I say let's fucking go in German?

Speaker 1 DJ tells her she says it to the group. She buys beers.
Kaylin's out there building a park out there. It's like, it really felt like a home game for the Indianapolis Colts over there.

Speaker 1 And us being able to get to win in overtime is gigantic. But I don't know how often you get to watch these other games now that you're calling it.

Speaker 1 This was a great start to the Sunday Slate on Sunday, AJ. Or JJ, sorry.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, we got to watch. We were in and out because we were preparing for our game and this game was ending just as we were getting into our pregame stuff.
So it was a very exciting game to watch.

Speaker 4 And then obviously Jonathan Taylor. just putting a capper on an unbelievable day.

Speaker 4 Like, I mean, I know it's been talked about many times, but at this current moment, like, if this guy wasn't the MVP of the league, just just like 2014 just like many times in the past saquan last year like just say it's a quarterback award because nobody is doing what this guy has done no it's unbelievable and i saw it was uh graded out average uh yesterday which is about par for the course so 244 yards and three touchdowns apparently not that great but whatever wait what who said that

Speaker 4 i don't know i was just tagging some things that said that his grade was he wasn't the highest graded player on his team i don't know how he's not the highest grade player in the nfl unbelievable

Speaker 1 Who graded it? Mark from Bash?

Speaker 4 I'm just sharing what I have heard.

Speaker 1 That's all. No, but who are you talking about, though? Who graded it? Because I know there was a guy named Seth that did some grading of a trade last week.

Speaker 1 I think we found he had like 64 followers on something, but was working for a company that had a big platform. So Seth gave the Colts a D and gave the Jets an A.

Speaker 2 There's the only one grade that matters when we cross open waters. And that's if it came from McQuaid.

Speaker 1 What are McQuaid? Is that who you're talking about? Are you talking about McQuaid grids? So let's get actually to McQueen. Was there any stats about this Berlin game from McQuaid that you got Ty?

Speaker 1 Yes, there was lads.

Speaker 6 To your point, Pat, about this being basically an Indianapolis Colts home game, we know middle of the country, you know, Indiana, there's so many fast food restaurants.

Speaker 1 German accent?

Speaker 2 Do you not?

Speaker 6 Do you want to just shut the fuck up and just let me cut?

Speaker 3 Because guess what?

Speaker 5 Like, I'm trying to do this off the top, okay?

Speaker 6 And when you do stuff like that, that makes me like, now I forgot where I was at. But let me get back.

Speaker 1 So you didn't get any McQuaid statue?

Speaker 6 I did get a McQuaid style, too. It's okay.
It's okay. It's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, McQuaid is an Irishman. He is an Irishman.

Speaker 1 You don't know McQuaid because you obviously heard him right here.

Speaker 4 I did, but I was very confused with the Berlin game. I had the beer in my mind.

Speaker 1 I was all over the place. That's McQuaid.
He was in. I got on the left.
I screwed it up. McQuade is.
Man-up, man-up.

Speaker 1 McQuaid's in which one?

Speaker 20 He's the one on the right. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 James Dimes is the one on on the left there. McQuaid was in Germany, Jage.
So just turn that big mic off for a moment and let us get some McQuaid.

Speaker 1 Don't touch it, though, because that's even worse than turning it off.

Speaker 1 Ty actually got some stats from the man that was boots on the ground in Germany. Back to your McQuaid stats.
Sorry about Jake. And McQuaid?

Speaker 1 Sorry about Jage.

Speaker 6 Well, McQuaid actually loves Jage, loves him very, very much. He was one of the guys who was really pounding the drum to get him into the Bull Ring of Honor.
I don't know if you knew that, Jage.

Speaker 6 You actually, it was kind of like an up-in-the-air. Is he going to get in? McQuaid was like, yeah, exactly.
Kind of like a, you know, six, seven.

Speaker 6 You know, I don't know how they do that in Yarland, but he was kind of the one that banged the drum, Mitch. Hey, JJ needs to be in the Bull Ring of Honor.
But that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 6 Back to, you know, your comments about the Colts. It was basically a home game.
You know, granted, it was in Berlin.

Speaker 6 It was, you know, thousands and thousands of kilometers away, but it was technically a home game for the Indianapolis Colts. We all know a lot of kind of heavier set fatsos who live in the Midwest.

Speaker 6 That's why there is a McDonald's, you know, Burger King, that kind of stuff on literally every corner out here because they know, let's put one of these in to test something out.

Speaker 6 The fat souls will flock to it and they will eat it.

Speaker 6 If you saw, I posted a picture of the

Speaker 6 concessions prices over there. This is kind of crazy, lads, but it is true.

Speaker 1 Over 880

Speaker 6 million kilometers in distance of Wiener Schwitzel, okay, was actually sold at the game. They went back and

Speaker 1 you're saying schnitzel to schnitzel, tip to tip. Yeah, tip to tip.

Speaker 6 You could actually extend it from the Olympia Stadio in Berlin. You could extend it all the way to Lucas Oil Stadium.
It would have reached.

Speaker 6 And they went back in and actually looked at the numbers a little bit closer, realized Colts fans accounted for 84.6% of the purchases. And

Speaker 6 that's not even going into how much

Speaker 6 beer was drank over there, lads.

Speaker 6 Well, we could do a what, but basically we're only selling beer, lads. Apparently, Germans do not like mixed cocktails as much as

Speaker 6 the

Speaker 6 United States fans do. But, you know, just an all-around great day for the Indianapolis Colts in Berlin.
And yeah, I think you saw the home field advantage.

Speaker 6 They ate more Wiener Schnitzel, and in the end, that's why they won the game, Laddie.

Speaker 1 So, James, that's why you couldn't talk. Schnitzels tip to tip from Berlin to Indianapolis.
84.6% of them being eaten by Colts fans. Is that right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, that is absolutely correct. They basically, they took snapshots of everyone who came up to the concession stand and said, oh, that's a Colts hat.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a Colts hoodie.

Speaker 6 Yep. Oh, that's a

Speaker 6 Colts wristband, a Mac-fee jersey. There are actually quite a few

Speaker 6 Macfeed jerseys over there, lads. That was basically the first thing McQuaid posted was a couple of Mac-Fee jerseys.
So he said, yeah, the Colts were out representing big time, lads.

Speaker 6 It was really never a doubt as to whether or not they were going to win this football game.

Speaker 1 Jage, anything?

Speaker 4 Phenomenal. Really proud.
Really good. Sorry I screwed it up.

Speaker 1 See, See, now you ruined it again. That's two times.
You can't let one loss lead into the next. You know, that's kind of the issue.
But let's talk about one loss leading into the next.

Speaker 1 You got two teams that are very good, both coming off a loss this weekend. Bucks Bills.
There's actually a good slate.

Speaker 1 Hey, the slate is very good this particular Sunday, especially where we are in the season. You'll be on the Bucks Bills call.
Both teams need a win.

Speaker 1 What are we thinking about both these teams with where they sit right now? Obviously, everything's still in front of both of them, but there's a chance you let a couple games slide here.

Speaker 1 Hold the phone, jage

Speaker 4 yeah uh i'm very much looking forward to seeing these two teams kind of they've been trying to bounce back and figure it out for a few weeks i mean they started out four and oh and three and oh respectively and then each have dropped a few games out of their last five and last week both of them drop a game so they are i believe it's two of three teams to make the playoffs all the last five years with the chiefs being the other one so Clearly, both trying to figure it out, find a way.

Speaker 4 Diving into the film a little bit here today, Bill's run defense has been struggling a little bit. Josh is getting sacked.

Speaker 4 I think he's already been sacked more times this year than he was all last year.

Speaker 4 And then obviously injuries for both teams a bit. The Bucs really banged up, but very much enjoyed watching Egbuka film today.

Speaker 4 And I've never watched Vita Veya up close and in person, so I'm looking forward to that as well.

Speaker 1 I mean, last week

Speaker 1 they were talking about him because other people are doing well against him because of how good he is. He's fun, though, dude.
They need to start getting him the rock, maybe.

Speaker 1 Maybe they start getting him the ball on the offensive side. AJ has a question for you, Jage.

Speaker 20 Yeah, Jage, Pippin and the Bears are playing the Vikings. The Bears have a chance to go to 7-3.
Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, their whole situation looks like it's on the up and up.

Speaker 20 I guess, what's your thoughts on the Bears? Are they a legit contender? And what about the Vikings as well with JJ? Like, what does their future look like?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, the Bears going into some of these divisional games now is going to be huge. I mean, a chance for them to go to 7-3.
We had them

Speaker 4 when they played the Ravens a few weeks back and thought there was some things that they could have even done better in that game to give themselves more of a chance, especially against Snoop Huntley.

Speaker 4 That's one of their losses, but they are figuring something out.

Speaker 4 And just talking to Ben Johnson, seeing what he's done with this team and seeing what he's trying to build and Caleb being able to take that and grow week by week, you have to imagine it's only going to continue to get better for them.

Speaker 4 And if they go into this and have success against divisional opponent, they're really setting themselves up very nicely. And we have them against the Steelers in a couple weeks.

Speaker 4 So, very excited to see them again.

Speaker 1 Bears becoming a real thing, Ben Johnson's culture settling in. Good, better, best.

Speaker 1 Never let it rest until your good is better,

Speaker 4 until your better is best.

Speaker 1 Go, Bears! I don't know if they do that at the end, but it is pretty sick. They're all bought in.

Speaker 4 Has he taken his shirt off yet? I know that was a big thing where, like, he gets free hot dogs for the city.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson takes his shirt off, he gets free hot dogs for the city. Schnitzel

Speaker 4 886 million miles of it, apparently. It only only reaches from Berlin to

Speaker 1 Lucas Oil. You saw him debating 886,000 or 886 million miles.

Speaker 6 When in doubt, you always got to.

Speaker 1 Especially with McQuaid. Yeah, exactly.
Especially with McQuaid's stats. Yeah, if he takes his shirt off, everybody gets a hot dog.

Speaker 4 I think it's hot dogs. I know it's something.
He can feed the city.

Speaker 4 Wow. Quick work.
Nice job, everybody.

Speaker 1 Bruce, Bruce, if the wiener circle says, if Ben Johnson takes his shirt off Doringer after any Chicago Bears victory this year, it's once again free hot dogs for the city.

Speaker 1 Hey, Ben, you know what to do, buddy. Go back to Bess.
Let's see your chest. So they can eat dogs.
That'll be the best. I think that's what we need out there.

Speaker 1 Let's move to another game that's happening this weekend. AQ has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, JJ, Seattle and the Rams play this weekend, arguably two of the.

Speaker 3 Best teams in the National Football League. What Matt Stafford's doing is incredible.
Who do you think is the better team between those two?

Speaker 4 I don't know if there's much arguing that these are two of the best teams in the NFL. They are both playing at an unbelievable level.

Speaker 4 I mean, we talked about Stafford early in the year with the injuries in training camp. Is he okay? Is he a different human being? He's playing like Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 4 He looks unreal, clearly in the top

Speaker 4 two, three for MVP this year. Oh, yeah.
So that offense is just humming.

Speaker 4 And of course, Sean McVay is doing things that are taking advantage of defenses with his 13 personnel and putting people in positions where it's advantageous for them.

Speaker 4 So you need a guy like Stafford who can take advantage, and he is.

Speaker 4 But then you go up against the Seahawks and Mike McDonald, who knows everything and who is a defensive guru and who knows that you know what he knows.

Speaker 4 So it's going to be a really cool cat and mouse game between McVay and McDonald this week. And I can't wait to catch up on it.
because I can't watch it live.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we do know what they know about what he knows and they know.

Speaker 1 So that is something that that is always a constant cat mouse dog chase tail hey we think he's gonna do this yeah but if we do this he'll do this that is something that mcdonald i think has already earned from other offensive coordinators and other coaches and certainly with what we just saw from your takeaways they're going to be special seahawks win a super bowl you think that jage

Speaker 4 i certainly think they're in contention for it.

Speaker 1 No, but I'm saying, I'm just saying the way they play. So

Speaker 1 we talk about teams like,

Speaker 1 hey, that team can win a Super Bowl. And And I think it's very obvious that offense can win a Super Bowl, defense can win a Super Bowl, special teams can win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 That's kind of what we're looking at. We think teams are good.
We're not saying we don't think there's good teams, but there's a couple of teams that we think can win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Feels like the Seattle Seahawks are one of those teams, Jage. Yes, I would agree with that.
Seahawks in the first half, the last two games. Here's a Hembo stat.

Speaker 1 Last two games are against Washington and Arizona. Obviously, you know, you take it for what it is.
Plus 55-point differential, 69 to 14, plus 301-yards difference to start the game.

Speaker 1 So McDonald's got the boys ready to roll right off a jump street. Same with Sam Darnold.
Seattle owns 11.4 points per game difference in the first half of the season versus their opponents.

Speaker 1 The highest by any team in either half since 2007 Patriots. Okay, so

Speaker 1 these are all scorer stats, so we can trust them. We can respect them and we know what they're saying.
But that's coaching too, is it not? McDonald had felt that's what it feels like.

Speaker 4 You turn on their games, like yes, Sunday, I turned on their game and it was like 28 to zero with 12 minutes left in the second quarter. And you're just like, is that right?

Speaker 4 Like, am I reading this correctly? And then same, same the other day.

Speaker 4 So, but what it does to the other team, when you jump out that fast, like you're, you're just playing catch up immediately and you're doing that thing that you do in middle school.

Speaker 4 We're like, okay, well, if they scored 28 points in a quarter, we can score 28 points in a score. And you're like, no, you freaking can't.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 20 They're that much better than you. They could score 28 more next quarter.

Speaker 1 It was 33-0, right, with the Vikings and the Colts. Oh, yeah, yeah.
33-0 with the Vikings and the Colts.

Speaker 1 And we had somebody on, I forget who it was, and they said that the message was, hey, we get five stops. All we need is five stops.
Patrick Peterson.

Speaker 1 Patrick Peterson said, hey, all we need is five stops on defensive side.

Speaker 1 And then they lo and behold and do it. But kind of to your point, there are certainly outliers to the situation.

Speaker 1 But if you're down four scores seven years ago or in the first quarter, I mean, you're in trouble. I mean, that is just immediate trouble.
And the Seattle Seahawks have done it on the road.

Speaker 1 They travel into your trap and they beat the hell out of you very well.

Speaker 4 Defense travels, baby. Run game and defense travel.

Speaker 1 And Sam Darnold. I think that is Sam Darnold's traveling.

Speaker 2 That's all over the place. That's the only hesitation for a lot of people out there, even myself.

Speaker 3 What's the turnovers, too, right?

Speaker 2 You just, it's the turnovers, it's taking care of the ball. But everything that we see up until this point is great, and I would expect it to continue.

Speaker 2 But we look at teams, we're like, okay, who can win the Super Bowl? We go straight to the quarterback. And what's your faith level on the biggest stage in the biggest games? And Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 You got to see it to believe it. Everybody got to win their first one and go in their first run.
Can he do it? It looks like he can, but we got to see it.

Speaker 1 Last two games in Minnesota, everybody said, see, see, see, see, see.

Speaker 1 See, because they're playing for the number one overall seed. He didn't play his best game.
That was against the Detroit Lions. They made a lot of people not play their best games.

Speaker 1 And in the playoffs, it wasn't great. And they're like, that's what we're talking about.
They kind of want that with Danny Domes right now. Exactly.
We had the questions with Stafford.

Speaker 2 When he went to the Rams, a lot of people, okay,

Speaker 2 he can toss the ball. He can make all the throws.
But we haven't seen him do it on that stage until he did. And he wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 2 So now no one, obviously, you don't have any second guesses about him now, but you go back to when they first made that trade.

Speaker 2 and both teams have definitely won that trade, we would think, but we didn't, we didn't believe it.

Speaker 1 Let's continue to chat.

Speaker 4 I think that's the Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold discussion for people. Like right or wrong, I think both of those guys are in that category where it's like they're playing unbelievable.

Speaker 4 Their teams are unbelievable.

Speaker 4 Everybody looks at that Vikings game last year in the playoffs and then they look at Danny's first couple years in the league and they say, all right, I see it, but can they do it?

Speaker 4 Right or wrong, whether it's fair or not. That's definitely what people say.

Speaker 1 Danny Dimes, remember, overtime, dropped one and a thing danny dimes fourth quarter need one fourth and two put one right on the spot so like in those moments danny dimes hopefully you will fall back on those situations as well going forward but none of us will know until we know yeah that's just kind of how it is and i think daniel jones and all them are the same way it's like hey we'll see we'll see how this whole thing goes got to stay healthy you got to get lucky with health all these teams

Speaker 6 let's continue to chat about these teams playing this weekend go ahead ty yeah jage what do you think about lions eagles uh eagles after that monday night game just ugly, but they did enough.

Speaker 6 And, you know, even with all the external BS about their offense and guys not getting the ball, they're still winning games.

Speaker 6 And then Detroit obviously looked much different after Dan Campbell takes the reins on offense, and they looked unbelievable. What do you think about this one?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, the way that Detroit was able to put up points and the way the Eagles were, I mean, it was a defensive battle Monday night, the Packers, Eagles, and I'm a defensive guy, and I love playing defense very much.

Speaker 4 I just,

Speaker 4 for three and a half quarters, wasn't the most enjoyable thing to watch as a football fan.

Speaker 4 But it got crazy there at the end. I mean, going for it on the fourth and nine, certainly a choice.

Speaker 4 And then the fourth and one play by the Packers, where they fumble it at the end, also certainly a choice.

Speaker 4 But this game should be a heavyweight battle. I think it's going to be.

Speaker 4 I mean, two teams at the very top of the NFC. I think if you look at it immediately, you say the Detroit Lions are having an easier time scoring points.
So that would be the way that you would lean.

Speaker 4 But this is why we play the games. I'm looking forward to hopefully finding a way to watch it again.
I think this one I can watch.

Speaker 1 Best record in one possession games, as you thought, A.J. Hawkers died.
He did not. He's still there.
Best record in one possession games since 2022. This is from Hembo.
Eagles 29-7. Damn.

Speaker 1 Vikings 29-12. Steelers 26-12.
Steelers fans would say, we won that many? It feels like we're losing a lot of those. And then Chiefs 24-12 in one possession game since 2022.

Speaker 1 Sirioni's got the the boys buzzing. Yeah.
Always will. And that was a close, miserable game to watch, but they end up winning, which is kind of expected, I feel like, in those games.

Speaker 2 Yeah, thank God we were at the Brigham Brew, you know, having some brews with the boys down there with the Marines. But yeah, it was a tough game to watch, but you get a win in any way you can.

Speaker 2 And the Eagles take care of the football for the most part, and they don't beat themselves a lot of times.

Speaker 2 Going forward on fourth and six late in the game was definitely a choice, but we'll stick with this this week.

Speaker 1 What is your thought on that, Jage? What is your thought? It would have been a 53-yarder. Would have been a 53-yarder.
If If you missed that, they get the ball to 43, down three.

Speaker 4 I was a punt. I was a punt.
Like, I was on team punt. I was trying to figure it out.

Speaker 4 And also, in my personal opinion, if you're going for it in that situation, I would have played the first couple downs a little bit differently because

Speaker 4 the whole sequence there felt like they were trying to run some clock and then they were going to pin them and make it very tough

Speaker 4 because the runs weren't. It's not like they were like churning them out, trying to get deep, deeper.

Speaker 4 And then they throw it up here. And even this, it was kind of like

Speaker 4 he was trying to catch it behind him with one hand, didn't necessarily go up there and high point it or anything. It was, it was just a strange sequence.

Speaker 4 And I, in that situation, with today's kickers in the NFL, with the kicking ball change and everything and how good they've gotten, I would much rather pin him deep and make him go a long way.

Speaker 1 I don't want to just misquote him because it was a few days ago. So a lot has happened.
Okay, a lot has happened since this quote. He said three or six.
It doesn't matter. It's like, it does, I think.

Speaker 1 Certainly. I think it does.

Speaker 4 But the kick there is, I mean, the kickers have gotten very good. It is still Lambo.
It was still Windy. Windy.
Like, if you miss that one, you're putting them almost directly.

Speaker 4 Like, are you on, what were you on? Were you on field goal side or were you on go for it or punt?

Speaker 1 Uh, I, I, so allegedly came out that that wasn't the play call. There was a miscommunication on what the actual play was supposed to be or what it was going to be.

Speaker 1 Allegedly, I think I saw some reporting of that from different local radio stations who maybe heard some things. I think punt would have been a good play.
I think punt would have been an okay play.

Speaker 1 Sucks for the punter to have to punt from the 35, but you could put them into 10 or the 5. Obviously, up three, you're in a much better position than whatever's going to happen there.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, if AJ Brown hides that and they score a touchdown, it's like this Colts team is, or this Eagles team is so cool.

Speaker 1 They run dagger in the Super Bowl whenever they, and they connect on it and they win the game. It almost becomes like a part of their mentality.

Speaker 1 But because it doesn't work and you give them the ball at the 35 and we don't get any points on the board when we're maybe in field goal position, it just optically looks stupid from all angles whenever it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 But if it works, you look like a genius, obviously. You know how football is.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 6 I mean, ultimately, it doesn't matter, but given what the Packers had done on offense the whole night, like you would think, hey, we'd much rather, like, let's put them inside the 10.

Speaker 6 They haven't done anything.

Speaker 6 The likelihood of them going 90 yards to score a touchdown or even getting field goal range at that point is obviously much less than where they ended up taking the ball over.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because they had gone for it on fourth down a couple series earlier also, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 Maybe it was the Packer. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They both went for it a little bit earlier because nobody's moving the ball. So you're like, all right, I mean, if they're not going to move the ball anyway, we might as well go for it on fourth down.

Speaker 4 But I'm with you there where I would much rather make them go 90 yards than just whatever it was they had to go forward.

Speaker 1 They would have been up three, so they would have had to go, what, 50 yards to pin them at the 10.

Speaker 6 Well, with McManus's quad, you might need to go 75 yards to get down in the field goal range.

Speaker 1 You're not close. He was this close on that first.

Speaker 6 He was.

Speaker 4 The free practice shot to see if we were in range or not. and then the attempt to get a couple more yards was not a great attempt to get a couple more yards, but that was a cool little sequence.

Speaker 4 That was

Speaker 1 a little gamesmanship out of McMahon. Obviously, Sirianni was incredibly pissed.
Normally, the ref is diving like a hockey player in front of a puck to stop that snap.

Speaker 1 Literally, because they made like a rule or at least a point of emphasis on it. I think it was while I was still in the league, because I talked about this the other day.

Speaker 1 Me, Vinny, and Overton, we were stealing a kick anytime we could get one. So, if somebody's calling calling a timeout, as soon as I hear that whistle, hey, hey, hey, hey, let's stop this thing.

Speaker 1 Let's go ahead and see what this is because everybody knows if you're going to be able to get a read on, especially windy, cold night like this, a long one. Let's at least see one fly.

Speaker 1 So the fact that the ref didn't, how about Jalen? Go, what was that? That's what Jalen's asking right there.

Speaker 4 I apologize if you covered it, but if you missed the first one, like a yard and a half, two yards short,

Speaker 4 is there anything in your head like, oh, I can definitely find two yards?

Speaker 17 Or is it like, oh, shit, I got no shot?

Speaker 1 So so he tried to hit it a little bit lower I think and that's why he hit it fat he pulled that thing pretty bad the next one so I think he did think that he had to hit it a little bit further because I think he probably thought he hit that first one pretty good it went straight it was a super windy game it ends up about a half a yard short so in his head it's like all right I got to give it a little bit more is that ball position where I strike it at or a swing and everything like that so I think he tried to swing a little bit harder he hits it fat that thing goes directly to the left for his second attempt after they tried to pick up some yards.

Speaker 1 So I think he knew he had to hit it a little bit fat, probably drive it a little bit more. And as soon as you do that, it just ends up hooking to the left.
So I think maybe it hurt him.

Speaker 1 I think maybe it hurt him because if that ref jumps in front and he doesn't do that first one, is the first one going to be what his kick is?

Speaker 1 And since it's actual game as opposed to just timeout where he's messing around, is there a little bit more juice and that ball goes through?

Speaker 1 Did this backfire on Brandon McManus is what my brain is kind of piecing together right now.

Speaker 6 Well, we'll never know because LaFleur doesn't talk to the kicker at all. So he wouldn't have even, you know, been able to go communicate with him.
Like, hey, you think you got this in you?

Speaker 6 Like, he's just kind of whatever McManus wanted to do, he was going to end up being able to do.

Speaker 1 Con man, last question for Jage before we let him go on this beautiful Wild Wednesday.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Jage, we've kind of been talking about today, but Joe Burrow being designated to return off of IR.

Speaker 5 Debuck kind of voiced the question, do you even play Joe Burrow with how bad the O-line is, with how bad the defense, actually historically bad?

Speaker 5 defense but here's Burrow coming back off of the turf toe surgery what do you think about this?

Speaker 5 Do you think the Bengals can make a little bit of a run here if they close out when 6-7, 7-8 for the rest of the season?

Speaker 4 I mean, I think

Speaker 4 we always talk about the same things with the Bengals. It always seems like we're talking about the defense and the offensive line.
And I've seen...

Speaker 4 obviously the stats of what Flacco has been able to do behind that offensive line and make it happen, but their defense just isn't putting them in any situations.

Speaker 4 Obviously, Trey Hendrickson has been out for a while.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 I definitely don't put him out there until he's 100% healthy because that's the guy that you want leading this thing for the very long term. And you don't want to risk.

Speaker 4 I don't think they're at a point right now where it's like, hey, if he's 70%, let's throw him out there and see what we can make happen.

Speaker 4 I think that Flacco is serviceable enough and does a good enough job that it's not at that point.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 that's a tough division. The Ravens are clearly...
on the rise again. Similar to last year, their defense is turning around a very tough start into playing good ball again.

Speaker 1 Lamar is lamar and then the steelers still sitting atop albeit fragile at the moment um if they're able to go out there and get that win keep this thing rolling but it seems like week to week they look like a different team every week lamar jackson missed practice uh today i believe is what's being reported lamar jackson did not practice for the baltimore ravens on this beautiful wednesday that we have uh jameson hensley reported that the ravens quarterback lamar jackson is on practicing wednesday he finished sunday's win at minnesota but took some hard hits ravens play at browns on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Injury report comes out later this afternoon. Could just be a G-Day.
Could just be a G-Day. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 That's what we're saying. I noticed you're avoiding talking about the rest of the AFC South today.
I noticed you didn't want to talk about really anything else going on in the AFC South.

Speaker 1 Colts get a huge win. Colts get a huge win.

Speaker 1 What else happened?

Speaker 4 Big comebacks, like huge comebacks, crazy games.

Speaker 1 Like 26 points in the fourth quarter comeback? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was that in America or was that an international game?

Speaker 4 That was on home soil.

Speaker 4 Well, Germany was home with the Brave.

Speaker 1 I agree with what you're saying, but just doing that good in Germany.

Speaker 4 Germany's cooler than America? Did you just say that? Did you say Germany's cooler than America?

Speaker 1 No, I did not say that.

Speaker 1 What I'm saying is for the growth of the game, talking about the AFC South's Indianapolis Colts is the right play. Okay, that's what I'm saying, for the good of the game.

Speaker 1 What you're saying is something historic happened for the Houston Texans down 26, 26-0 fourth quarter. We should maybe say a little something.
Is that what you're trying trying to say here, Jay?

Speaker 4 I mean, it's just, you seem to be just sliding over the second biggest comeback in a team's history in a game that's very impactful in the AFC South. It was an insane game.

Speaker 4 They were down by 19 at the start of the fourth quarter. And even on the broadcast, we were like,

Speaker 4 we thought that last ETN touchdown was the dagger. As I said, that was the nail in the coffin.
And then, lo and behold, Nick Haley calls great plays. Davis Mills plays lights out.

Speaker 7 Some huge plays.

Speaker 4 It was a crazy fourth quarter in Houston.

Speaker 1 How is it calling these types of games? Because I saw the Texans are undefeated with you on the call. I think potentially the Steelers as well.
That's interesting. Don't know if we're,

Speaker 1 you know, maybe bringing an aura or information.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 Just the aura emanating from the booth. It's just pure.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 The ability to control the game from row 74

Speaker 4 on the 50-yard line is impeccable. So So I'm really pulling some strings up there.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts about the Jacksonville Jaguars? Everybody questions Trevor Lawrence. Is he a guy? Is he a guy? Is he a guy? Is he a guy?

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter, obviously down for the season out with the torn LCL.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on the Jacksonville Jaguars? They look like a much better team this year than they have in the past. Will it be enough?

Speaker 4 They do. I think it's very, like, the Texans are the number one defense in the NFL.
So everybody struggles against them. You're going to struggle against them.
It's going to be difficult.

Speaker 4 I think their defense yesterday, obviously in the fourth quarter, I mean, the final drive of the game, the Texans ran the ball most of the drive on 93 yards all the way down the field.

Speaker 4 That's something that you can't let happen on a game-winning drive. And they weren't able to get as much pressure as you thought they would against that Texans offensive line.

Speaker 4 So Daniil Hunter played unbelievable. He took over that game three and a half sacks.
Will Anderson closed the game out.

Speaker 4 But the Jaguars are good. I think Liam Cohen is building something good down there.
I really do. And I think he's got a good system and scheme.
Doesn't help when you lose some of your best players.

Speaker 4 And I think Jacoby Myers will help. They've had so many drops this year.
They dropped more footballs than anybody in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Is that because it's not a catchable ball or what?

Speaker 4 It's a combo. Like it really is a combination.
It compounds itself because, number one, if you throw it well and the guy drops it, that's frustrating. And then you throw it bad.

Speaker 4 So even when you do throw it good, then it's getting dropped.

Speaker 4 And it's just a very frustrating situation overall, which is why they brought in Jacoby, who literally caught a ball with his eyes closed, which was insane.

Speaker 4 Like they talked about how this guy can catch anything. And obviously we've seen it, but to watch him catch a ball with his eyes closed was crazy.

Speaker 1 The combination down there in Jacksonville is certainly one that we think will be good in the future. What's the Travis Hunter experience going to be in the future, Jage?

Speaker 4 I do not know. I mean, it's really unfortunate.
He's been able to do it in college for a long time, playing both ways. I think we all had our questions about would he be able to do that at this level.

Speaker 4 And unfortunately, those questions at the current moment point to no.

Speaker 4 We all want it to be yes, but I just don't see how you could possibly play both ways for a long period of time in the NFL. It's so damn hard, man.
It is so hard.

Speaker 1 Every position is difficult, so having two of them would be an insane feat. Hopefully Travis still tries to do that, and we would like to wish him nothing but the best as he recovers from his surgery.

Speaker 1 And Jage, we appreciate the hell out of you. This weekend should be epic between the Bucks and the Bills.
We can't wait to listen.

Speaker 4 Have fun in Pittsburgh, guys. That's going to be awesome.
I'm looking forward to seeing that. Have fun back home.
It's going to be crazy.

Speaker 1 I was looking, West Virginia, Wisconsin not in a 12-team playoff. It's a shame.

Speaker 4 Ah, man, I thought we might have snuck up in there with our ranked win this week.

Speaker 4 Stormed the field. That was love.

Speaker 4 Celebrate whenever you can celebrate.

Speaker 10 I love it.

Speaker 4 But that's,

Speaker 4 we only stormed it once when I was there, and that was against Ohio State. And then actually a second time when we went to the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 1 So you like it or you don't like it?

Speaker 4 Celebrate to celebrate. Be a friend, tell a friend, tell somebody you love them.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 You kind of botched it, but you kind of made your own there. That was pretty good.
And it was right on time. Great work out of you.
That was good sense. Bro, that was really good.

Speaker 1 I mean, nowhere near what I say, but like it was. No, so

Speaker 4 be a friend, tell a friend.

Speaker 1 All right, man. You love him.
It's what you said.

Speaker 1 You said, be a friend, tell a friend, you love him. Goodbye.
What are you doing today? I said, be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change your life. Oh, yeah.
Damn.

Speaker 4 Damn. No, I wasn't even close.

Speaker 1 No, you were, though. You made a new one.
Be a friend, tell them you love them. Yeah.
That's good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't think we tell people we love them enough. I don't.
I think, like,

Speaker 1 friends

Speaker 1 should be.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I love you guys. I really appreciate it.
I love you guys. I appreciate the daily entertainment, the laughs, the inspiration.

Speaker 4 There's a lot here that

Speaker 4 I take away from this every week and from watching from afar. Wow.
Motivation from how hard you guys work and how much. you do every week.
It's pretty, it is incredible.

Speaker 4 I think people give you credit, but I don't know if they say it enough. It's pretty unbelievable how much time and energy you pour into all this stuff.

Speaker 1 That was really nice. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
You might change it. You just changed my life.
You just changed our life, right? Hey, we want to let you know. We love you too, J.

Speaker 1 We love watching games with you too. We appreciate the hell out of you.
You're the man.

Speaker 4 Thanks, guys. I appreciate it very much.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, he's going to go his second workout in for the day. It's JJ Watt.
Thank you, Jay.

Speaker 1 It was very kind of him. What a guy.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of that being said the last 24 hours.

Speaker 1 Pretty good, pretty good variants there, program, though.

Speaker 20 I'd say, I'd say so. How about the wet? Like, Con Man mentioned it in the show, like, not a cloud in the sky.
What a very weirdly temperatured, beautiful day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, very weirdly temperatured. I don't think they were used to how cold it was.
I think it was unseasonably cold is what they would say. And

Speaker 1 the new Marine lads. that had to sit in the shade, boom,

Speaker 1 it was a 15 to 20 degree difference. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 At least. And then the wind would come.
It was like 25, 30 degree difference. I mean, it was a,

Speaker 1 it was a lot chillier than we could have imagined when we saw the SC. You know, I saw South Carolina.
I'm like, tank top for sure. I had shorts and a tank top.

Speaker 1 The reason why I was wearing that shirt, not only because it's sick. It was really the only long sleeve shirt that I had.

Speaker 1 The night before, I was wearing an Oregon Ducks jacket, only jacket I had because it just so happened to be on the bus from the trip to Oregon. So it's like, shout out to Coach Dan Lanning in Oregon.

Speaker 1 Because if it wasn't for you guys, I would have been frostbit, I think, on Monday night around campus or around the base. The Brigham Brew, especially.
You're playing pool?

Speaker 1 You said you were playing pool against some of the boys?

Speaker 2 Yeah, me and me and Bruce got on the table. Got a couple games in.

Speaker 1 How'd it go? You gotta put the quarter on top of the thing, like old, old school, like the whole thing.

Speaker 2 No, we didn't do that, but a couple, couple of the Marines were over there playing too, and we just got over there, had downs, you know, waiting. We got on the table, won our first game.

Speaker 2 Kind of playing twos, so 2v2. Alternate shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bruce.

Speaker 2 Bruce got hot. He got hot the second game.
Boom.

Speaker 1 One in, Two in. Three in.

Speaker 2 Scratch on eight ball.

Speaker 1 You guys lost.

Speaker 2 Yeah, lost the second game. Everybody just stopped playing.
Just killed the whole vibe.

Speaker 1 Oh, Bruce, you brought him to life. You put him to sleep.
I like what you did over there.

Speaker 1 I guess the Brigham Brew, not normally very active there because it's on base, obviously, and everybody has like really, really, really, really, really serious jobs.

Speaker 1 To be there for the 250th birthday.

Speaker 1 in the Brigham Brew on Paris Island was a crazy just happenstance. Like it all coming coming together perfectly.
And then, you know, I wasn't going to be able to get out of there.

Speaker 1 Not that I wanted to. Had chugs and beers with the boys.
And Urah, we certainly did that. Dan Orlovsky's Urah worse than AJ's?

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 1 Have we gotten a final vote on that or no?

Speaker 5 I'll throw mine in the ring as Dan Orlovsky's worst.

Speaker 1 Worst of the day?

Speaker 20 I'd say yeah, I was second worst. I would vote on that.
I would say that.

Speaker 1 No, but you had one, though. Remember?

Speaker 6 One good one, yeah.

Speaker 2 Dan had one on the way out, too. A good good one on the way out.

Speaker 1 But his AirPods are kind of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't blame that on the quarter. Muting him.

Speaker 20 So they mute him when he yells.

Speaker 20 They're designed to do that. That's weird.

Speaker 1 So I think it picks up one sound. So when you get too loud, maybe it picks up another sound.
Like it tries to cut out the shitty sounding sounds. Yeah.
That's what AirPods are doing.

Speaker 1 So you start yelling. It's like, what? No way are we doing that? And then it's like, Dan Orlovsky, I guess, doesn't have the voice of a songbird.

Speaker 1 I'd assume if Luke Combs starts yelling, that AirPod turns it up actually.

Speaker 1 Let's go ahead and hear that thing. Dan Orlovsky starts yelling.
That thing goes, nope, not fucking doing that one. No way.

Speaker 1 So I guess it is a little bit of treason from the AirPod on Daniel Orlovsky for himself, but yesterday was epic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was epic. Legit.

Speaker 20 Front of that statue. Look at the sky, man.

Speaker 5 Yeah. That's a great picture.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's really,

Speaker 2 really doing drills behind this.

Speaker 1 And everybody will find it interesting that for that photo, AJ was the last guy up on stage to take photos because he was meeting with a couple of DIs from Ohio. And that was very cool of you, AJ.

Speaker 1 We clearly had the middle of the photo kind of separated so that we could see the statue of Iwo Jima.

Speaker 1 AJ jumps up onto the stage, goes right to the middle, big arms, bring it together, boys, standing right in front of that statue, just right there.

Speaker 2 And we go, we know each other.

Speaker 1 AJ, get your ass out of the way, dude. Oh, yep, yep, oh, oh, oh, oh, a lot of those.
Oh, oh, oh, yeah. That was on me.
Yeah, that was on me.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. In the fatigues, right next to me, Bobby Yarbrough, I believe he's he's coming up on retirement soon.
He was enlisted and then he became an officer.

Speaker 1 And he's a part of like, I don't know his official title, so I'm not even going to try to do it. Huge part of our show happening there.

Speaker 1 And to my left, there is First Sergeant Gartland. He was 22 years as a Marine.
He was eight years as a DI.

Speaker 1 Spent a lot of time at Parris Island as a drill instructor and also working in the airfield that they have there, the active airfield that happens at Paris Island. So we were taken care of down there.

Speaker 1 And I said this at the beginning of the show. I didn't think it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 Like the idea, the concept comes about about a month ago, whatever, we're chatting about it. Sounds epic.
Sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 Hey, you're going to be able to do this. You're going to be able to do this.
I'm like, cool, cool. First show ever on Paris Island will be the only show on a base during Veterans Day.

Speaker 1 And with the government shutdown and kind of everything else, and with Paris Island and the world how it is right now, I thought there was a chance that the show was not going to happen.

Speaker 1 So did not get hopes up too much about show. Just kind of like in this, in this business,

Speaker 1 like a lot of things are talked about and then they don't happen, you know, and at the beginning of our entire run, I think I would get excited for everything and then it wouldn't happen.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, just like defeated. So now I'm very much like, probably not going to happen.
So let's just kind of assume that it's not going to take place.

Speaker 1 And then on Monday after the Sunday stage gets set, it's like, hey, this is happening for sure.

Speaker 1 Bobby Yarborough was a huge piece of that, like literally calling Washington because there were some people in Washington, I guess, that found out that maybe were like, this is not a good look.

Speaker 1 We shouldn't do this. Yada, yada, yada, you nail, you name it in different departments.
So he's a huge aspect.

Speaker 1 Sergeant Major and his team had to come out and say, yes, we definitely would like them there because obviously the Marines control the recruit depot down there at Paris Island.

Speaker 1 The commanding officer down there,

Speaker 1 he also had to come out and say yes. We want.
So there was like the amount of people that had to say yes again.

Speaker 1 this past like four days before this all started and went to bat for us to do this so incredibly cool and all we wanted to do was make an epic veterans day show like just because we understood how lucky we were to be doing it.

Speaker 1 So yeah, from beginning to end, it was an out-of-body experience, basically. And we just wanted to go ahead and showcase the hell out of that place and the people.
And I think we pulled it off.

Speaker 1 I am very proud of the messaging. And hopefully the younger vets got the messaging about the VA trying to be a little different VA than years past trying to help.
And it was a special day.

Speaker 1 And that's a sick photo. I mean, that's the major of the Marines there at attention while the Marines' hymn is being played by the Paris Island Marines band as it's walking down Boulevard de France.

Speaker 1 So we showed that sign, We Make Marines, a couple different times. The reason why that sign is so important, that Boulevard de France is the end of their crucible.

Speaker 1 Crucible is the last 54 hours of their 13 or their 12-week, I guess, boot camp. And it ends with a 12-mile hike.
So they haven't slept in three days, and then they have to go on a 12-mile hike.

Speaker 1 The end of the 12-mile hike comes underneath that We Make Marines sign down the Boulevard de France right behind us onto that parade deck. And then they are made Marines.

Speaker 1 So every Marine that has ever come through Paris Island basically is right there. So that is the final walk basically as a recruit before they become a Marine.

Speaker 1 So us even being able to be on this street or be a part of anything is a massive ordeal, let alone setting up our stage right in front of the Iwo Jima statue.

Speaker 1 which after they get their Eagle Globe and Anchor pin, they go over there and kind of learn about the Marines that they're chasing.

Speaker 1 So it's like we were in the middle of a lot of very, very epic and important and crucial and historic and emotional things for all the Marines.

Speaker 1 And the day after their 250th birthday on Veterans Day for us to be there, the way they treated us, we were so lucky. And we hope we did it some justice.
We hope we did. Tried my absolute best.

Speaker 1 A lot of phone calls on Monday to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Two presidents.

Speaker 1 Two presidents calling on Monday. A little late for the plane to head down to Paris Island.
I apologize. Who are you on the phone with? President Obama's people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to get a video from President Obama. And then right before that, I was talking to President Trump's people because I thought I'm trying to get a video.
That's how that started.

Speaker 1 I was just looking to get a video.

Speaker 1 I was just looking to get a video from all these people because I assumed in such quick turnaround time, like, hey, could you guys just make a video kind of where the league, what you guys think of veterans and what Veterans Day means to you and everything like that.

Speaker 1 And they were like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Let's get to it.
And

Speaker 1 President Trump's people called to ask for some more information. And I was like, yeah, just looking for a video.
They're like, if he was able to come on the show, would that be okay?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, we could always do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 20 If the commander in chief... Bump somebody.
Yeah, we'll bump some people.

Speaker 1 If the commander-in-chief wants to come, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, we would certainly do that. All right, he'll do a phone call or something like that.
It's like. We've never done it.
Okay, yeah, no problem. It'll hang up the phone.

Speaker 1 I think President Trump's coming on the show tomorrow.

Speaker 1 He wants to do a phone call.

Speaker 1 Can we do a phone call? Yeah, we can do a phone call. We'll figure it out.
Sweet. We don't want to do a phone call, though.
So I call back to the person. Phone call, not cool.

Speaker 1 Everybody's going to think it's an impressionist. Don't we think maybe a Zoom or Facebook? We'll do a call.
We'll do a phone call. Okay.
Yep. You got it.
Call back one more time.

Speaker 1 Hey, have we thought about Zoom? Zoom may make it easy. Maybe, you know, we can kind of do this entire thing.
Yep, he'll be calling in. Yeah, we'll do a phone call.
Hey, you got it.

Speaker 1 Hey, I don't need to be.

Speaker 1 We'll hang up that phone.

Speaker 1 And then on the phone, now on the phone, because I know what it's going to be like, it's like, I tell President Obama's people, like, hey, we do have President Trump doing something.

Speaker 1 At that point, he's coming up. Like, is there any? So I try.
I legitimately, I would like to, and they tried too. I think President Obama's people tried as well, but it was such a quick turnaround.

Speaker 1 So it's like, there's a lot of people very, very mad right now. And I understand that.

Speaker 1 But I think you should turn your focus on like, hey, the head person of our military stopped by to spotlight Veterans Day so that maybe we can give a little bit more love to the people that serve this country.

Speaker 1 So, you know, that is that is kind of a balance that we are always trying to do. And I saw a lot of people say like, did you get permission to do that? Enough.

Speaker 1 Okay. I'm an adult who owns my company.

Speaker 20 What does that mean?

Speaker 18 What does that even mean?

Speaker 20 I don't understand the question.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I saw a lot of people like, hey, whoever gave permission to do this? It's like, who are you asking?

Speaker 20 Who are you asking permission?

Speaker 1 I don't even know how that would work. I don't even know how that would.
Hey, I was wondering with my show that I own that I control a full career.

Speaker 1 I don't even know how that would would work. Honestly, I try to be a good partner, obviously.
They're licensing our show, just like the NFL is trying to be a good partner.

Speaker 1 NBA is trying to be a good partner. Inside the NBA is trying to be a good partner.

Speaker 1 Whenever somebody licenses your show, you're trying to be a good partner, obviously, and you're trying to provide good content.

Speaker 1 You would like to have success so that they have success, so we have success. But just like whoever let this happen, it's like fucking enough of that.
Okay, let's get to a break.

Speaker 1 On the other side, Stanford Steve will be joining us to chit-chat about the College Football Playoff Committee's prediction of what the playoff would look like right now and everything else happening around the college football world, which is huge this weekend.

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Super cool hoodie. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Thank you for a little pop of color today.

Speaker 1 So for me, wearing

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 a lighter color, what would that be called?

Speaker 1 That series of colors. Pastel.
Yeah. Pastel.
Okay. Pastel.
That's a summer thing for me.

Speaker 1 I wear in the summer. I want to let you know, you look so cool in that thing.
I wear it anytime. Yeah, anytime.
Anytime, man.

Speaker 9 For me,

Speaker 1 I don't look good with those colors there certain times of year. Yeah, because I get a little fatter.

Speaker 1 A little fatter, they start seeing it. You look good.

Speaker 1 Right now, science seems to be working, I will say. And also, pretty busy schedule.
Tough to kind of,

Speaker 1 you know, find time to either eat or not be.

Speaker 1 It turns out that's not necessarily great for the body, but starting to look a little better.

Speaker 1 Shirts are a little bit too big, pants a little bit too big, belts a a little bit too big and when you wear those asshole belt buckles like i do you know those come with special belt you need a special belt for that thing all these belts too

Speaker 1 i'm finding a nail in my bus on saturday mornings trying to put a new hole in the belt

Speaker 1 and the belt is

Speaker 1 levers so first one i took like a pen and i was like jamming it in there not working i'm like oh what do i need to do here so i get a nail actually and i'm like i'll thumb it through here i'll thumb it through this thing yeah right had to find a hammer from a person down street.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Worker, right down the street.
Hey, can I borrow a hammer real quick?

Speaker 1 Yeah, are you... When will I get it? I just need to go do a belt thing.
Yep. Take hammer.

Speaker 1 Right into the desk.

Speaker 1 Right into the desk.

Speaker 1 Had to use the back of the thing, obviously.

Speaker 1 Pull that thing out. Got a hole in the belt and the desk now.
And I'll tell you, I don't think it was in the right spot either. I think I needed it a little deeper.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we are, if anybody has an answer to that that is better than that, I'm looking for it. Because

Speaker 1 I don't know if you're supposed to hold it on something and then pull it out and then put the, like, how am I, I think I need a machine because it has to be on something and I'm always going to put a hole in that fucking thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know how.

Speaker 2 You got to be able to get through it.

Speaker 20 Concrete. Do it on a concrete or something.

Speaker 1 Or a fence.

Speaker 20 Or somebody else's workbench.

Speaker 6 Yeah. You just need to go find a workbench.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 26 I mean, maybe get one added onto the bus or workbench in case you

Speaker 1 have that thing fold down. Boom.
Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe I do need that. Could just get a new belt, but no, let's build it.

Speaker 20 Door dash couple belts. Could door dash a few belts too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but of course I'm very, I look ahead and I prepare for everything. You know, I'm a super look ahead, prepare for the future guy.

Speaker 1 Let's set a time for that and let's execute on that. So I'm not finding that out until what, 40 minutes before this thing starts?

Speaker 1 Because that thing's, that's the first time that thing's been around my way since last week. Wait a minute.
I'm starting to disappear here.

Speaker 1 I think that's a good thing, but in this particular moment, it's terrible. Last week, couldn't figure it out.
Belt was just gigantic. I mean, it was just sitting up there.

Speaker 1 I could have been doing this with that belt if I wanted to, just kind of pull up some things. So that's a fun little game happening within the game day game that I'm having on Saturdays.

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Speaker 3 That's why I keep wearing the same pair of khaki pants because I gave them all away when I lost the weight to Goodwill. I only got one pair that fits anymore.

Speaker 1 Well, they say if you keep the

Speaker 1 closet at a fit size, it'll motivate you to stay in shape. I don't think that's real.
But clearly. I don't think that's real.
For you, you don't think so either.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you're living it right now. You just got to have two different closets, I think.
And that's probably what you have done for most of your life.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that would have been smarter, but I uh I gave it all away, and now here I am. I'm this shirt from about 2012.

Speaker 1 You're too good of a guy. You only have a certain amount of clothes because you gave it all away.
This guy went to Goodwill. Yeah, yeah, gave it all away.
Thank you, AQ. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Did you try to sell it at that Play It Against Sports? You remember when they were doing that? Love that place. I love Play Against Speaker.
Great spots. Grew up on that place.
Me too. What?

Speaker 1 Play it against sports. They sell new stuff too.

Speaker 20 They actually sell some new stuff.

Speaker 1 Okay, so did you sell stuff to Play It Against Sports?

Speaker 5 No, never sold anything.

Speaker 5 Either went went there because I was a little bigger than my older brother. So most of the time, the hand-me-down stuff that didn't fit me played against sports.
Let's hit it.

Speaker 1 I was so excited for that place whenever it came about. I'm like, all right, I just need to get stuff, and this place will give me money.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's good news. It's a brick and mortar player?

Speaker 1 I give my hands on a ball, yes. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 20 You don't know what it is, D-Bun? They don't have it down there?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 2 I feel like I've heard the name, but I can't never walk.

Speaker 1 In my recollection, if I'm thinking of the right store, because I think there was a clothing, one of these stores as well, where you could take your shit back, basically, and they they buy it off you, and then they're going to resell it.

Speaker 3 Like my first closet, I think, is the one you're talking about, the clothing one.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's clothing one, then the sports had one. So, yeah, it was like a little, in my eyes, I was like, yes, I just got to find stuff to be able to sell these people.

Speaker 1 You bring in their this ball right here, original price, let's say 20 bucks. They got 50 cents for you.
Oh, yeah. It was like you're watching pawn stores all over.
GameStop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, before it was like, I'm not selling shit to these guys. Why am I wasting my time driving all the way over here?

Speaker 1 But to your point, I think it had a lot of stuff in there.

Speaker 5 Like, playing against sports had a lot of stuff in there and every single sport like there wasn't one uh different type of like basketball shoe hockey skate baseball mitt basically everything that you could possibly want yeah like this might actually be in there

Speaker 1 the hurling ball from so it was a cool place but i thought it was gonna be a much better hustle anyways you need to go to play it against sports it sounds like and i hope you get it figured out because you look amazing but you said you're gonna lose a bunch of weight you're gonna do some science oh yeah 30 pounds you're gonna get off you're gonna get on science you're gonna call the people at affinity or what are you gonna do i got my own people.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you're the Affinity people, though, brother. I'm going to let you know that.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 You might be right. Where are the Affinity people?

Speaker 1 Everywhere.

Speaker 20 Carry your big pants around to motivate you. Someone used to do that.

Speaker 1 You mean did this?

Speaker 4 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 That was not good for America when it all went down. And as somebody that lives here in Indianapolis, those choppers were out in abundance.

Speaker 1 Do you know who you're talking about? Papa John, right? Was uh

Speaker 1 choppers or pants.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we were just yeah we just getting out soon those places you did uh we were near it there's one we all were yeah we were we did see one not me yeah we were yeah it was you just didn't have your eyes open but yeah there was one on base no i didn't see one of those yeah that's all demon talked about the entire time

Speaker 6 how bad he wanted to go go grab one

Speaker 1 are we see what he wanted a subway sandwich cito as well he did Zito mentioned it like 40 times what was he gonna go get over there just ham and bread that's what what Debo wanted.

Speaker 10 Just ham and bread.

Speaker 1 What about the bigger, meatier, tastier? They had a pretty good run with the BMT there for a while. I'll tell you what.
When I saw that fat so lose that weight,

Speaker 1 I'm a sandwich guy. Debo?

Speaker 1 Did he lose weight?

Speaker 10 No, that's why I was so confused.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Because I thought maybe we had a new Debo.
No.

Speaker 1 Was that?

Speaker 6 No, we didn't. We didn't have a new Debo.

Speaker 1 He literally. And you guys held him back from maybe being the...

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 Jared Fogel is who is being talked about right now. Oh.

Speaker 1 He's in Indianapolis, Indiana. He was with Subway.
That's right. That's who I was talking about, Tone.
You knew that's who I was talking about. Thank you for clearing that up.

Speaker 1 I'm actually not sure.

Speaker 5 AJ's pen pals. That's him.

Speaker 1 AJ, you wrote him a letter in jail. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 But nonetheless, when I saw that happen, when I saw that fatso become a skinnier person, from eating sandwiches as a guy that sandwiches my favorite, like that, I love this. I was all in.

Speaker 1 I was all in. I was eating their tuna.
I was eating their tuna. So good.
So, so good. And then somebody told me, that's got more shit in it than a Big Mac.

Speaker 1 You might as well go back to McDonald's and just have everything. I said, well, how'd the guy lose the weight? And at that time, they told me that it was probably a lie.
And I was fucking

Speaker 1 baffled by it. I guess you can't lose weight just eating sandwiches every day.
I don't think you can. That's what I think.
That's what they were saying, which is bullshit.

Speaker 6 Because I was sold a bill of goods about I eat this, I lose a lot of weight jared fogel lied why didn't you let debone maybe get in there well i mean we were getting ready to go and he was like he was very serious about like i think i'm just gonna walk down there he's like i want a ham sandwich so bad i was like well debone you could go to the fucking grocery store when you get home and just get some ham and some bread if you he's like it's not subway it's not subway's ham he wanted the sandwich artist Yes.

Speaker 1 He wanted the sandwich artist, which is what the people from Subway were. Correct.
I'll tell you, that was tough for me.

Speaker 1 As you can tell, when it all went down, down,

Speaker 1 losing Subway out of my life was a big deal. That was fucking goat.
Look at this fresh fucking egg. Dude, one line of mayo, please.

Speaker 1 One line of the mustard there, please.

Speaker 2 Oh, meatball.

Speaker 1 It was good. Oh, never the meatball, but

Speaker 1 anything but the meatball.

Speaker 20 Put some vinegar and oil on that.

Speaker 1 Cookies. Do you want it toasted? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Please put it in.

Speaker 5 Now every Subway smells like shite.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 4 Yeah, why?

Speaker 1 Let's get to the next segment.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace, Subway. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow. Chilled lettuce.
Chilled lettuce.

Speaker 20 You're right.

Speaker 1 You remember that?

Speaker 20 The shredded, the little shredded lettuce is very good.

Speaker 1 Oven roasted chicken. Add some bacon, please.
Can we please put that in the toaster? Oh my god. Yeah, I need a lot of lettuce on that.
One line of the light mayo, because you guys like the.

Speaker 1 I just need a pssh. You know, you guys are supposed to be artists here.
Yes, please cut it in half. Let's do the entire thing.
Let's make sure we get a good wrap on that thing. Those are good times.

Speaker 1 It was all a lot.

Speaker 1 I became a fat so

Speaker 1 Debo tweeted Subway I just saw. Did he? Did he?

Speaker 1 It's 2013.

Speaker 1 That's 2013.

Speaker 1 2013. Yep.

Speaker 1 Oh, brief. So whenever he was thinking about walking to that place, you guys have no idea.
It's a lifelong.

Speaker 6 No idea.

Speaker 1 He would have been like Paris Island Subway. Like he would have put that under.

Speaker 10 He was 11 years old then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He views these things like they're museums.
Like, we need to go see this thing.

Speaker 1 Sorry they didn't let you go, Deborah.

Speaker 1 No, never.

Speaker 1 Well, you could say it. No, never.

Speaker 5 You think that was a thread to a hashtag free fogel right above it?

Speaker 1 Is that all you're saying? I mean, we can never know. You can never know.
Twitter used to be so different, too.

Speaker 1 The way you used to have to actually retweet things was you actually had to copy, paste it, put it in quotes, and then you would respond to it. So people don't even, it was a crazy time there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You could really change what was in his quotes, you see.

Speaker 1 So you could just kind of you kind of do whatever you want some people thought those were dms too not even retweets yep yeah there was people at that time i mean twitter has had quite oh you didn't care yeah people are treating that thing like it was nobody's gonna see yes yeah and then people found out hey everybody's gonna see all this forever for the rest of time so go ahead and uh figure it out a lot of athletes had some things to say whenever they were younger on there

Speaker 1 and Debone since 2013, he's looking forward to going to that subway, and you guys cut it off. Joining us now, ladies and and gentlemen, is a man who I'm sure is fancied.
Oh, my God. Without a doubt.

Speaker 1 Oh, my. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for another college football conversation with Stanford Steve.

Speaker 1 Steve, did you go through the subway run like I did there?

Speaker 1 You heard it, obviously. Did you go through a subway run as well like me?

Speaker 12 Absolutely. And even funnier, driving out of Lambeau Field the other night about 2 a.m., there was a play-in-again sports right down the street.
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 12 I haven't seen those stores stores in forever.

Speaker 1 Lambo's the greatest.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's like going back in time.

Speaker 1 It's unbelievable. Connor said that he actually heard that you were called Subway Steve before Stanford State.

Speaker 12 I'm listening to the conversation.

Speaker 4 I knew that one.

Speaker 1 Subway Steve. We didn't know that was the case.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 let's look at this college football world that we're currently in right now. Obviously, the College Football Playoff Committee is the most important ranking in all of sport.
They have the AP ranking.

Speaker 1 There's other people that give out rankings. I think PFF has their own ratings in college football.

Speaker 1 The only one that truly matters when push comes to shove is the College Football Playoff Committee's ranking because they are the ones that are deciding who's going where.

Speaker 1 What did you learn from last night? Any big shake-ups or is this kind of what you expected, Steve?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I thought the Miami, Miami should be happy sliding up because now when you see the teams in front of you, they're going to be underdogs and some games coming up.

Speaker 12 And, you know, I thought Joey did a great job on the show last night just talking about like every year we get to November, and it's like, well, if we win this game and win this, what we never talk about is teams are going to lose.

Speaker 12 Teams are going to lose in November. And when you look at, especially this week, I mean, we got two monsters in the SEC, and those are two teams that are ahead of Miami in Texas and Oklahoma.

Speaker 12 They're both on the road and they're both underdog. Now, how far would they fall? You know, if they were to...

Speaker 12 to lose, that's the question. But Miami, I could see a path there for them.
So I'd be happy with them.

Speaker 12 I get the people wanted A ⁇ M ahead of Indiana after Indiana struggled. I wasn't too fond of that thought.

Speaker 12 With A ⁇ M, you know, they made the point. I thought it was interesting, though.
They made the point that they went to Missouri and they beat Missouri, who's on their third quarterback, right?

Speaker 12 Indiana went to Penn State and beat a team that doesn't have their quarterback or their coach.

Speaker 12 So I thought that was an imbalance there, but I don't have any problems with Indiana staying at two.

Speaker 1 Okay, Indiana Indiana at two. I think they would view it as a good win.
On the road, didn't play their best. Never won there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, this team's never played there. So that's true.
I mean, that's what Signetti had to say about it. But on that note, incredible catch, maybe the catch of the season.

Speaker 1 The body control is crazy there from Cooper Jr. Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of us who have been watching him this season with Indiana, and hopefully Hoosier's fans can agree with me whenever we say this, we thought he was going to walk down there and score.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't know how easy he was going to do it, but I think the expectation was, yeah, Mendoza is going to score.

Speaker 1 The reason why I'm saying that right now is because I was getting FaceTimes from people, maybe, that are part of the Penn State cult, and they were calling Indiana frauds, frauds, frauds.

Speaker 1 And then when Mendoza got the ball back late, I told that particular person, Mendoza is about to slice you up.

Speaker 1 And what the fuck happened to Penn State, AQ, literally immediately upon that happening, pal. Do you remember? Yeah,

Speaker 3 they fell apart.

Speaker 1 No, Mendoza showed up. You said they fell apart.

Speaker 3 He got sacked on the first play, and I'm like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 3 And then he proceeds to do what he did. That was even more impressive.
The fact that he got sacked, and it was, what, second and 16.

Speaker 1 back inside his own 20 to start so i think that actually i don't say legitimizes him even more because that would be kind of throwing shade at the rest of the season where he went into oregon and won there by the way and is putting up more numbers than everybody else and the defense has continuity but did fernando mendoza in that moment and granted they should have beat you guys by 100.

Speaker 1 We all understand it. Big Ten football, though, in Penn State, I mean, that's going to be a difficult game.
It can be if you let it. They certainly did.

Speaker 1 Mendoza, though, when they needed to score, they scored. Their weapons, when they needed to score, they scored.
And when they need to stop, we assume they'll just be able to do that as well.

Speaker 1 Indiana can win the national championship after watching them play against your Penn State team.

Speaker 1 And you know your Penn State team isn't good, but it's still a Big Ten game with five-star players at Penn State.

Speaker 3 That place can get really intimidating if you let them, right? And I think they let the crowd get into that game whenever Penn State came and took the lead.

Speaker 3 And what he did, obviously, I think they're built for it. I do.
I think they've built the team the right way. They're tough.
The trenches are good on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 3 And the quarterback's unbelievable. And he was without his top receiver, basically, and was still able to do that and deliver in the moment when he needed to.

Speaker 3 The seam ball down the middle to get that thing started after the sack. And then from there, what he did was incredible.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go over to Hammer.Todon. We're talking national championships right now, Chattanooga, Indiana.
They've been a part, obviously, of the top two teams in the country for the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 What do you have, Tone?

Speaker 10 I saw a fun fact this morning. In each year since 2015, so basically the last 10 years, the eventual national champion was ranked in the top three in the second CFP ranking.

Speaker 10 So that would be these rankings. The national champion has come from the top three, which this year would be A ⁇ M, Indiana, or last year's national champion, Ohio State.

Speaker 1 Stanford Steve, we have AJ Hawk on here, and obviously he's an Ohio State legend. We had Ryan Day on last week and we congratulated him for being number one in the CFP.
But But he said, nope, nope.

Speaker 1 He was literally leaving. But there isn't a lot of hype around this Ohio State team, like national conversation.
You know, and obviously they're number one team. Sane's favorite to win the Heisman.

Speaker 1 Their hype is certainly warranted from the rankings and from the sports books, but national conversation kind of leaves them out.

Speaker 1 This feels like when the Celtics were so good during the regular season, it's like, we're not going to talk about Celtics. We'll talk about them in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And then they dominated in the playoffs. It was like, no, we can't talk about them.
They're too good. Is that what we're doing with Ohio State right now, you think?

Speaker 1 And are they the ones that are going to end up with the national championship in your eyes?

Speaker 12 I feel like there's an understanding of how good they are.

Speaker 12 But again, to your point, you know, was it Carnell Take? It's tight hammy and warm-ups last week. Okay, what do we do? All right, let's get the best player in the sport 10 catches for a career high.

Speaker 12 Saying takes care of business. You know, the defense is going to show up.
So it's not boring. It's just a taking care of business attitude that they have.
And again, we've talked about it.

Speaker 12 This is just a climb all the way to get to that game in Ann Arbor. That's what they've wanted.
That's what everybody's wanted.

Speaker 12 And it's been slow because they have been so dominant and there's nothing really to pick up. People want to go after their schedule.
Okay. Look at AM's schedule.
I did AM's schedule.

Speaker 12 Their conference opponents are 8-27 so far in games. Indiana, 16-26.
They obviously played Oregon and Iowa. But they have Wisconsin and Purdue who are combined for one more conference win.
So

Speaker 12 people could pick them apart all they want. I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to appreciate the hell out of a team trying to go for two straight national titles with a lot of different pieces.

Speaker 12 And most importantly, what I think is different about this team, which they absolutely had to piece together during that run after losing to Michigan, is they got some dudes on that offensive line, man.

Speaker 12 They got some nastiness to them. And that has helped Sayyidina a ton.

Speaker 12 I think, you know,

Speaker 12 show some evolution in his game. And I think it's just a credit to Hartline.
I mean, at the beginning of the year, we didn't know what Hartline was going to do, calling plays.

Speaker 12 Everything is moving in the right direction for them. And I loved you guys

Speaker 12 trying to crown Coach Day last week. And that's one guy.
It's just not going to be about it. And that was fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ryan Day certainly has a good mindset, especially for a coach that's trying to build a dynasty, which they certainly can.

Speaker 1 If they run the table here, you're talking about maybe one of the most dominant teams of all time, like literally in the history of the sport. AJ, in Ohio, it's obviously national champion talk.

Speaker 1 How do they feel about this particular team that's kind of being left out of the national chatter, but in a much different way, they are favorites, have been favorites, and expected to win by 20 every single week.

Speaker 1 How do the Ohio people treat Ohio State Buckeyes football games?

Speaker 18 I mean, I think the Ohio people are very excited.

Speaker 20 They weren't sure coming in with all the, you know, the change, especially on defense, what exactly they would look like new quarterback coming in. But I think they're super, super excited.

Speaker 20 But also, they're all pointing to the Michigan game. Okay, let's beat Michigan and then let's go take care of business.
Like that, that I feel like is on the tip of everybody's mind here.

Speaker 20 Obviously, the coaching staff, everyone there, they know, they understand it.

Speaker 1 First of all, that was an unbelievable ball to Jeremy Hospital.

Speaker 4 Great ball, great catch.

Speaker 20 Like, he's not open. Like,

Speaker 20 these guys aren't really that open, but making unbelievable plays. But, yeah, it all comes down to, hey, I think it's first.
All right. Well, hey, we got to beat Michigan this year.

Speaker 20 And then after that, let's go on another run and let's go win a national championship.

Speaker 1 Texas Tech representing the Big 12 in the CFP's committee. Lubbock was incredible.
I saw what Herbie said on his show nonstop about like just nicest, nicest, friendliest people.

Speaker 1 And obviously we don't get treated the same. Like it does, and this is going to sound like such an asshole comment.
It does suck that I am at the point now of life.

Speaker 1 And we, I think now at this stage, I think I can say everybody up here, which is cool to watch you guys get this as well. People act and treat us differently whenever we're at a place.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm not just getting treated like how every human would get treated in certain situations. I don't love that.
Okay. I would like to know what it's supposed to be like.

Speaker 1 It makes me a much better human and also the way I talk much better.

Speaker 1 But just the reality of my life now, it is I'm seeing normally the best of everything, the best of everything is kind of happening everywhere we go, especially with game day.

Speaker 1 So I thought Lubbock was amazing. Okay, absolutely amazing.
But then Gumpy talked about it. Gumpy was out and about, you know, and walking around.
Bullrush was out and about walking around.

Speaker 1 And then you start hearing how everybody's kind of talking about it. It's like this place is spec.

Speaker 1 Lubbock, Texas is a football town that loves ball, loves their school, obviously, but they also are an incredible group of human beings that I want to see have success.

Speaker 1 You know, like a couple of their local guys are investing in their team. They're proud of their local team.
What they make their money off of? Local business.

Speaker 1 Local business, local guys giving local money to the team. It's like they're building it the right way.
High school coach, Texas high school coach as the coach.

Speaker 1 It's like, that's a special place, I think, Steve. And I think Kirk said the same thing.
I'm wondering your thoughts on it all down there in Lubbock.

Speaker 1 I hope that place has success for the people that are down there because how much they're invested in that team.

Speaker 12 Yeah. And like I said, you know, being there for the Crabtree game, it's a totally different place.

Speaker 12 That unbelievable football facility with the Patrick Mahomes walkthrough room, that wasn't even there the last time I was there.

Speaker 12 So you talk about, you know, the people and that that's what's the best. They haven't changed.
It's in this setting. You know, it's five hours away from Dallas.

Speaker 12 It's almost like its own island, you know, in Texas, and they appreciate so much. And that's what I love.
To your point, you know, they've built it. Yeah.
Do they have a lot of money? Yeah.

Speaker 12 Are they putting it the right places? Yes. They have a good football team.
Heck yeah.

Speaker 12 And, you know, last night seeing them creep up ahead of old miss, I thought was interesting because their loss is without their starting quarterback. So I, you know, they are that.

Speaker 12 you know, I mean, need some things, but it's not out of the possibility that they could get a first round buy, although they really want one of those home games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I want one of those home games in Lubbock. And I think

Speaker 1 we should want one of those as college football fans, a home game down in Lubbock. Let's go to Hammer.

Speaker 1 Todd, AP Tone, what did the rankings say about Texas Tech to you?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I agree with Steve. Jumping Ole Miss was huge.
And I think personally, Texas Tech is in the playoffs as long as they don't have an absolute meltdown because they have UCF at home.

Speaker 10 UCF is not the best college football team in the world. And then I know West Virginia is playing a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot better.
But they go, they finish with West Virginia.

Speaker 10 So if they take care of business, UCF, West Virginia, it's very, very similar to SMU last year, who lost in the ACC championship game, still made the playoffs.

Speaker 10 Their one loss was without Kevin Jennings last year. So I see a situation here with Texas Tech.

Speaker 10 As long as they take care of business, UCF and WU, I still think they can lose in the Big 12 championship and still get in the playoff because I don't think the committee is going to.

Speaker 10 you know, punish a team that loses in their championship game when they're going to be ranked five, six, whatever, going into that game.

Speaker 1 that would be two big 12 teams yes it would just like access yeah and also the acc do you think that they put miami up here to potentially set up a maybe if they can't even get to the acc championship because of other things are they trying to set up two acc teams even if they don't win the championship you know like there's so many little things you can really start saying well oh they're trying to get miami in here because they're having them ranked high right now so even if miami who can't control its own destiny doesn't make it to the acc championship will they still be able to say, no, Miami's still one of the top teams?

Speaker 1 It's all those things we're kind of looking at, Steve, don't you think?

Speaker 12 Yes. The crazy thing is, is they brought it up on the show.
There's a minute possibility Miami could make it as an at-large and the ACC champion could be left home.

Speaker 12 That's a

Speaker 12 downside. Yeah, that could happen if the group of, if James Madison and the American team champion get in.

Speaker 12 Now, you got to win your conference champion to be that group of six, but that is, there's a, there's a little percentage chance that can happen.

Speaker 1 No, isn't it? So it's the highest-ranked four?

Speaker 10 Five-highest-ranked conference champions.

Speaker 1 It would be two group of five teams then that would get in above.

Speaker 10 Let's just say Duke. Let's say Duke wins the ACC championship because they still have a chance, and they're, what, five and four right now?

Speaker 12 They're five and four now, and they would end up being nine and four.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so Duke would be a nine and four ACC champ.

Speaker 10 But if, you know, if, say, South Florida and James Madden are ranked higher than them, they would get in over the ACC championship because they would be the champions of their conferences ranked higher.

Speaker 1 The ACC champion not getting a bid at the college football playoff would cause quite a stir

Speaker 1 in how this whole thing is handled. Let's go to this weekend's games.
Obviously, we're headed to Pittsburgh for Notre Dame in Pitt. Very historic rivalry.
Notre Dame can't lose.

Speaker 1 I think we all agree with that. Notre Dame cannot pick up another loss.
Narduzi has come out and said, I don't care if we lose by 100, we can still get the ACC championship.

Speaker 1 Now, to your point, if they were to lose by 100 and then make it to the ACC championship and win the ACC championship, that might be a similar situation that you're talking about with if Duke was to win where maybe the ACC champion doesn't make the tourney.

Speaker 1 And boy, people are going to be pissed to hear that down there in the ACC. What are your thoughts on this particular game? You know, new quarterback for Pitt is electrifying.

Speaker 1 He's got everybody talking and they haven't lost with him behind the center. And then Notre Dame, obviously, all anybody talks about is, hey, their two losses to a very good teams.

Speaker 1 They've gotten very, very good. They're a tough football team.
They run well. Jeremiah Love should be in a conversation for Heisman.
C.J. Carr has only gotten more and more reps.

Speaker 1 How do you kind of see this game going? Is it the new quarterback of Pitt that can maybe show up and derail Notre Dame's national championship hopes?

Speaker 1 Or do you think Notre Dame goes in there and takes care of business as we sit on this particular Wednesday?

Speaker 12 I believe if Pitt's going to win the game, it's going to be one of those high-scoring back-and-forth games a la last year against Clemson until Kate Klubnick had the long run for the touchdown.

Speaker 12 But you see Desmond Reed right there at number zero. He didn't play against Stanford in their last game.
He's their best player. He catched the ball in the backfield.
He's a great running back.

Speaker 12 And then they are off a bye. So I would think he would be healthy.
They got two linebackers that got dinged up. But Pitt Narduzzi has always been great against the run.

Speaker 12 They are number one in the country in

Speaker 12 yards per carry allowed. I think it's below three yards.
And on the other side, you mentioned it. Jeremiah Love, as good as they're price is an awesome 1A, 1B, whatever you want to call him.

Speaker 12 I think Price is just as good and valuable. You saw him turn the USC game around with a kick return.
So that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 12 Can Pitt stop Notre Dame's run offense and make them one-dimensional? We've seen C.J. Carr come back to reality.
Didn't play great against USC.

Speaker 12 But again, that kickoff return, a couple turnovers, got Notre Dame in the good there. So Notre Dame's offense.
offense against that Pitt defense is what this game comes down to.

Speaker 12 Pitt has the offense to hang around. Notre Dame's defense is not as elite as it was last year, so I could see Notre Dame winning and Pitt keeping it close.

Speaker 1 Pitt, obviously, hosting College Game Day. We'll be down there on the North Shore,

Speaker 1 right near the stadium on the river in Roberto Clemente Park, I do believe, is the name of that place. It's a beautiful area.
It's a lot of space. I think it should be an electrifying environment.

Speaker 1 We hope you'll come hang out with us. The game that's going to take place immediately after that, AP Tone, is going to go like what? And what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 1 How do you think the game day crowd is going going to be too, Tone? Do you think it's going to be a lot of Notre Dame or do you think Pitt's going to turn that place up? It is officially sold out.

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Shout out to the sellout happening. Obviously, going to be an electrifying environment.

Speaker 1 If Pitt wins, Notre Dame is not going to the national championship.

Speaker 1 If Notre Dame wins, Pitt fans are going to say we're the same old, same old, but then we potentially get to the chance where the ACC champion, who could be Pitt, doesn't make the tournament.

Speaker 1 A lot on the line. Tone, what are your thoughts on the game that's sold out and how it's going to go?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think game day is going to be awesome. Obviously, with the sellout, the gravel lot's going to be packed, gold lot's going to be packed.
There's going to be a lot of fans down there.

Speaker 10 This is always a big sellout game. Pitt Notre Dame at Akershure will be awesome.
As far as the game goes, I think Steve nailed it. Pitt's rushing defense versus Notre Dame's rushing offense.

Speaker 10 Pitt's defense has a slight advantage there because they are so incredible there. Also, on the other side of the ball, Notre Dame's rushing defense is really good too.

Speaker 10 I think they're 15th in the country. So I don't think Pitt's going to run.
They have been throwing for over 300 yards a game since Heinzchel has taken over.

Speaker 10 So me, for the difference of this game, I think it's going to be which freshman quarterback is going to play better, CJ Carr or Mason Heinschel.

Speaker 10 Mason Heinchel being the true freshman quarterback out of Ohio. So I think it's literally whichever passing game is going to be better.

Speaker 10 Notre Dame's passing defense hasn't been as good as last year, even though they have the same starting corners as last year.

Speaker 10 So we'll see in this one, but I think it's whatever freshman quarterback plays better.

Speaker 5 Tony, Bengals at Steelers the day after? Are they changing the grass?

Speaker 10 Do you know?

Speaker 1 I don't believe they are. Oh, that won't be a convo at all.
No, that won't be a conversation at all. I won't bring it up.

Speaker 5 If Boswell's leg snaps,

Speaker 5 there's going to be a riot.

Speaker 1 Because we're not going to have that happen. But if his foot slides underneath the ball like it does again, there is going to be a riot.

Speaker 1 Especially the week is the state championship games there. That's got to be coming next week.

Speaker 10 Very soon, yeah. There you go.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought if that was Friday, that's going to be another moons in the semis, baby.

Speaker 1 What moons in the semis? I saw the quarterback club. You ever be a part of that? I saw a couple photos of that place.

Speaker 3 They're the big boosters, you know? The big boosters of Moon Township.

Speaker 1 Are you a big booster of Moon Township? I'm not.

Speaker 3 I don't, you gotta let him.

Speaker 10 He hates his hometown.

Speaker 1 He does hate his hometown. Steve, have you ever heard of Joe Donardo?

Speaker 12 Joe Donardo.

Speaker 2 Yes, you, Joe.

Speaker 1 Don't think. Yeah, I feel like.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just say yes.

Speaker 2 Love you, Joe.

Speaker 1 Yes, you have. Yes, you have.

Speaker 1 Joe was the man who, when he said something was going to happen with the weather, it happened. And in Pittsburgh, you never knew with the weather.

Speaker 1 We had more rain than Seattle. More soot than you.

Speaker 1 And Joe Denardo was able to get on that Doppler and see exactly what happened. And he's from AQ Shipley's hometown in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Moon township.

Speaker 1 And AQ hates Joe DiNardo. Nope.

Speaker 3 I've changed, remember?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 3 It's a lot of tape. Me changing.
I've changed.

Speaker 1 Why'd you change? Because Joe DiNardo's famous.

Speaker 3 Well, I realize how hard it is to predict the weather.

Speaker 1 Cliff, see? Come around. Thank you.
You are finally acknowledging Paisano's greatness on this.

Speaker 3 Especially in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 How about this? Project Bundle Up. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah.
It's coming up on, I think, 40 years. You know who founded that?

Speaker 3 Joe DiNardo. Sally Wiggins.

Speaker 1 So I hope Moon wins strictly for Joe, not for you. Mm-hmm.
Yep. I can't believe it's business.
Hey, Q, he did ruin a lot of golf rounds, though. Remember that.

Speaker 1 Foxy, once again, you're doing this shit that you've been doing lately, and I don't like it.

Speaker 1 Whenever somebody lets some words slide out of their mouth about Rudy Subs, you go, let me go ahead and post this. See if anybody else don't need to be doing that.

Speaker 1 And then right now, we're having a moment here, a good one for Joe DiNardo. And all of a sudden, you're going, hey, Q, don't get too soft here.

Speaker 1 Remember about you and your dad's golf trips that Joe Di Nardo said it was going to rain and that maybe it didn't rain as much. Why'd you do that? There's no reason to do that.

Speaker 14 I just needed to remind him because, as someone that's had a lot of golf rounds ruined, it sucks in the weekends ruined. And there's got to be someone to blame for that.

Speaker 1 So, in this case, it's not Joe Dennard. I don't know.

Speaker 14 I'm not from Pittsburgh, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 So, I just am asking.

Speaker 1 Joe said it would, and it did. That's what the Joe Donardo difference was.
And AQ. That's right.

Speaker 1 So that's right.

Speaker 1 I don't like it.

Speaker 1 I don't like it at all. You need to watch it.
I believe him.

Speaker 12 thanks, AJ.

Speaker 1 He keeps talking about that.

Speaker 20 He seems sincere, honestly.

Speaker 1 Football gods aren't going to like what you just did right there.

Speaker 6 Didn't you send me a picture when you went back to go to Kennywood of you stopping by Joe De Naro's gravesite and taking a dump on his headstone? No,

Speaker 1 I didn't do that.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't do that. That's disgusting.

Speaker 1 That is disgusting. That's what you're promoting for.

Speaker 1 I didn't do that.

Speaker 3 I drove by, I saw the Joe Donardo water tower right there when you enter Moon Township.

Speaker 3 I said, you know what?

Speaker 3 It's hard to predict the weather. Okay.

Speaker 1 So So yay gave up.

Speaker 1 So did you get out and do the whole thing?

Speaker 4 You salute?

Speaker 3 No, I was driving down Route 60, you know.

Speaker 3 Put my head down as I drove by the water tower. I didn't look at the road for a solid 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 Wait, you didn't want to make hockey.

Speaker 1 I had to give him his respect. Oh, you're a

Speaker 1 kid. Wow, wow, driving.
Yeah, give him my respect. Okay.
Thank you. It was a straightaway.
Thank you for doing that. Thank you for doing that.

Speaker 1 Okay, now it does feel like you've maybe come all the way around. Maybe Moon will win now.
What are you guys? Double A, triple A, quad A? I think we're 4A.

Speaker 3 4A. Used to be 3A whenever I played.
Now there's 6A. 6A now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they've reclassified everything. I think it's kind of a confusing thing, but hey, Moon's going to win it all.
What are you guys, the Super Duper Tigers? Yep. Good luck.

Speaker 3 That'd be two big wins in a couple weeks, you know, beat the old plum Mustangs.

Speaker 1 Tough team. What? We got a tough team.
We got a young team. We'll be back.

Speaker 1 Listen, next year's Moon Tigers don't want to see the Mustangs. I just want to let you know that.

Speaker 1 We got a a quarterback who's going to be a junior next year. Yeah.
He was a sophomore this year. He's going to be a junior next year.

Speaker 1 Hey, I figured if he was a sophomore, I figured he'd be. Is he good?

Speaker 1 But could be held back, too. You know, and we need to start doing that.
We need to start doing that a little bit, maybe more at Plum.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be promoting anything, but if we get 20-year-olds, the seniors at Plum, I think we'd have a chance. It's a huge advantage.

Speaker 1 Got to do it early.

Speaker 2 Got to do it before.

Speaker 1 Kindergartener's in. Yeah, yeah.
Start them late. Okay.

Speaker 1 Something to think about people in Plum, because I think with the way our bodies are built in Plum, we're going to need the age over the size against some of these guys.

Speaker 5 You know, we're going to need the wisdom in there.

Speaker 1 So we get a couple 23-year-olds in there, and I think we'll have a chance really to body these teams. But Naunenberg, our quarterback, dog, absolute dog, just like Joe Denardo.

Speaker 1 And I hope Moon wins for him, not for you. Two big games in the SEC, Stanford Steve.
Do you know Joe Donardo now? Do you feel like he's... Yes.

Speaker 12 Very familiar. Very familiar.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Appreciate his work.

Speaker 1 Thank you. See? It's as easy as that.
He doesn't even know who he is. He didn't even get a chance to throw up on Project Buck.
I just did it. Why are we going back?

Speaker 3 It's hard for me to move on.

Speaker 1 Look how disrespectful you fucking were. What did he say about Kennywood, too? Didn't he say it was disgusting?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he said Kennywood sucked.

Speaker 1 I mean, worst place in my life. Time of my life.

Speaker 5 Potato Patch is cool, but Potato Patch.

Speaker 1 Not as bad as I remember. You ever been to Kennywood? You ever been to Kennywatch? I have not.
I have not.

Speaker 1 First part of this. This weekend.
I've never been here.

Speaker 2 Hold on. There we go.

Speaker 20 You should go. Film it.

Speaker 1 Do a special. Oh, my God.
Jen Lotton on the second How did you just think of this?

Speaker 2 That's how you know it stinks.

Speaker 20 Cool segue if you die.

Speaker 1 What's that? Are you going this weekend? I didn't think of it. Oh, you could go, I guess.
I'm sure you did. I didn't just think of it right now.

Speaker 1 I knew anytime I'm going to be in the area, I need two things. Rudy subs, Kenny's Wood.
You know, and that's where I'm headed this weekend. Down there to Kenny Wood.

Speaker 5 Do you shoot Kenny's Wood or is that just a place you go?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 What's the mascot's name?

Speaker 1 Kenny. No.
Kangaroo. It is

Speaker 1 Kenny the Kenny the Kangaroo.

Speaker 20 Pretty sweet coster.

Speaker 1 He's kind of got like a used sock kind of coster. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Looks like Penn State's cost cost.

Speaker 1 Very similar to the Nittany Lion up there at Penn State. But that kind of has a lot of history.
Kenny Kangaroo could use a little bit of it off the break. I think we could make him.

Speaker 3 Kenny's got a little history, too.

Speaker 1 What's that? Kenny, it's Pittsburgh, so, you know, Kenny's got a little shit to him.

Speaker 1 I think we could all guess what's going on there. That's right.

Speaker 5 Like the subway guy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's not from Pittsburgh. Okay.
Okay, he is an Indiana guy. And not saying people like Indiana are like him, but Pittsburgh people in a costume gets a little hot.
Nick was Charles E. Chester.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Don't you want to throw hands every once in a while whenever you're dressed up like a mascot, especially in Pittsburgh?

Speaker 3 Yeah, they actually only let me do it once.

Speaker 1 It was so miserable. Because Pittsburgh kids, two mascots.
Yeah. Assholes.
This guy.

Speaker 1 I would have been a great mascot.

Speaker 1 You can still. Still time.
Still time. Let's go to this weekend, Steve.
Two huge SEC games. Let's start with Oklahoma and Alabama.

Speaker 1 Tone mentioned in the first hour of the program, he said, wait a second. What if Oklahoma and Texas both win, you know, with where they were ranked and Alabama loses?

Speaker 1 Is there going to be six SEC teams in there? I obviously don't want to go into that world because that is hot take world, but I guess there's so many different outcomes that can take place.

Speaker 1 In the SEC, everybody's seemingly playing each other down a stretch here. What do you see happening here early?

Speaker 12 I look at Oklahoma, the success they had last year of running the football against Alabama, over 250 yards. That was when Jackson Arnold was the quarterback there.
He had plenty of rush yards too.

Speaker 12 But the ability Oklahoma had to shut. Alabama down.
Milro couldn't get anything going through to pick six.

Speaker 12 And now you have a, I would just, more verified offense with Alabama. It wasn't pretty last week in a tough game against a motivated LSU team after they got rid of their coach.

Speaker 12 But Ty Simpson, man, still has NFL throw after NFL throw in his arsenal.

Speaker 12 The drive, this touchdown you see here with Ryan Williams, that comes after a questionable deal with LSU with the play clock. They gave the ball to Alabama without a minute left.

Speaker 12 Simpson throws that deep post and then gets the touchdown to Williams. But, you know, you go into this game at Alabama.

Speaker 12 Oklahoma, you know, still with an outside chance with a win, I think they're sitting very pretty, knowing what their resume already looks like. But this Alabama offense is tough, man.

Speaker 12 You've got to play for 60. Our Mason Thomas got dinged up in that Tennessee game.
I believe he's their best defensive player. The status of him is unknown.
But Oklahoma has to be...

Speaker 12 They got to be better than they have been. I'd say going back all the way to that Michigan game.
The offense has to score. Matir ran for 80 against Tennessee, so you saw a little improvement there.

Speaker 12 But the odds are stacked against them. Alabama brings a lot to the table, and we know Oklahoma's offense has struggled.
So I lean Alabama in this game.

Speaker 1 Ty Simpsons, everybody's darling for maybe number one overall pick, AJ. What are your thoughts on this Alabama offense?

Speaker 20 I like Ty Simpson. I think the more he plays, I think the more I like him, actually.
So yeah, I can see an NFL team. He's a big old dude, isn't he? He's like 6'4 ⁇ .

Speaker 1 He's got size. I think he does.
I don't know his exact dimensions, but every time he daps somebody up who's like an offensive lineman, it looks natural. So he doesn't, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 He's not getting, I think he has the size. I think he will.
I think he can move. Feels like he knows ball well, and he can put it in a bucket if he needs to.

Speaker 1 AP Tone, your thoughts on Alabama, Oklahoma Oklahoma this weekend?

Speaker 10 My thoughts, I'm very interested to see the Alabama offense because Ty Simpson has literally like put this offense on his back.

Speaker 10 And I like this is the best defense that Alabama has played yet this season. And can they keep doing it being a one-dimensional offense?

Speaker 10 Their passing offense is really good with Ty Simpson, but they have the 120th ranked rushing offense in the country.

Speaker 10 Like, can you win against good defenses when you're one-dimensional and they know you're one-dimensional? And then Oklahoma, I think, is second and sacks in the country.

Speaker 10 So like if they're just pinning their ears back all day, if they know Alabama can't run against them, I'm very excited to see what Alabama's offense does against Oklahoma's defense.

Speaker 10 And then, yeah, Steve talked about it.

Speaker 10 Oklahoma's offense hasn't been great last four games since Matir hurt his hand, but they have had a 100-yard rusher in their last three games, which is something they did not do before.

Speaker 10 And if there is a slight weakness to the Alabama defense, it's their rushing defense. So I think it's going to be a good game overall.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk about what this game is supposed to be. Hembo Center versus Stat.
Oklahoma-Alabama line movement. In May, Alabama was favored by 14.

Speaker 1 In August, 12 and a half. November, 7.
Now, 5.5. What does that mean, Steve? What am I seeing here?

Speaker 12 I think you're seeing people come off Alabama. You know, just to all the points that Tone just pointed out about the lack of balance on offense.

Speaker 12 You know, I go back and I watched Oklahoma against Ole Miss. Ole Miss had their way for most of the day, but they have more balance in their offense.

Speaker 12 So Alabama is going to be put up against it. You got plenty of talent in the offensive line to get this run game right.
You know, Grubb, the play caller, is an offensive lineman.

Speaker 12 He wants to run the football. And they just have had so much success.
And they have so much

Speaker 12 of an advantage with their receivers. They got NFL receivers.
So I could get to how you get into a liking of throwing the football to your NFL players.

Speaker 12 So Alabama or Oklahoma is not great on the back end. So I expect Alabama to use the pass to be successful.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go to Texas, Georgia down there in Athens.

Speaker 1 Obviously, this game's gigantic. 10 versus 5.
5 favored by 5 and a half. 7.30 on ABC.
Obviously, a chance for game day to potentially go to this particular game. It's huge.
We've been to a Texas game.

Speaker 1 Obviously, been down to Georgia already, but this is going to be immaculate down there in Athens. What are your expectations for this, Steve?

Speaker 12 You know, I left the Georgia Ole Miss game believing that Georgia was going to run the table the rest of the way. And then I, you know, this past week and Texas is on a bye, go back and watch Texas.

Speaker 12 It feels like Sark has fixed the offensive line. They made some movements.

Speaker 12 They've come out. The first play against Mississippi State, they throw a bubble screen to Ryan Wingo.
He goes about 60 yards. First play against Vanderbilt.

Speaker 12 They throw a bubble screen to Ryan Wingo, and it goes 75 yards for a touchdown. They're up 7-0.
That kind of set the tone for that Vanderbilt game.

Speaker 12 So along with fixing the offensive line, it feels like Sark has simplified things. Ryan Wingo, we wanted more from him, you know, at the beginning of the season.
Couldn't get loose against Ohio State.

Speaker 12 A combination of things of good defense and quarterback, lack of ability of getting you the football. So Texas is, you know, they scored 30 too straight, but they gave up 30 in two straight two.

Speaker 12 It sounds like they're going to get Taft, their safety, who's their quarterback on defense back, which is a huge get.

Speaker 12 Because when you look at this, Texas, they're going to have to score. Georgia's offense, we've talked about it all year.
They're not a typical Kirby smart team. The offense outweighs the defense.

Speaker 12 So Texas is going to have to score. And Georgia doesn't have that NFL presence on the defensive line.
They don't sack the quarterback a lot.

Speaker 12 So I believe Texas hangs around in this game and Georgia pulls away late. But Texas with the points seems like the side for me.

Speaker 1 Okay, you say that, and then Hembo has this stat. Texas is getting five and a half.
Texas on the road under Stark.

Speaker 1 Two and six against the spread versus SEC teams, eight and 14 against the spread overall. Tone, what do you think with Texas and five and a half heading down there?

Speaker 10 there? I think it's interesting because I think Texas has the better defense. When you talk like Steve's talking about NFL guys on the defensive line, Texas has them in bunches.

Speaker 10 Their defense is really, really good. And a million people were killing Arch beginning of the season, rightfully so, because he was not playing great.

Speaker 10 Last two games, though, he's thrown for over 300 in each game. He's got seven total touchdowns to one interception.

Speaker 10 And I think it's a lot to what Steve said about the offensive line, how it has looked a lot better. So if Georgia can't get to him, I think Arch has looked so much better.

Speaker 10 And if he's going to be the better quarterback in this game, I kind of like Texas's chances if they can stifle the Georgia offense.

Speaker 1 Are we picking Texas in this thing?

Speaker 12 Texas is also 0-4 against the spread on the road this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That is Kirby's usually.

Speaker 1 That is the one thing.

Speaker 10 And Georgia just wins. Like they just somehow.

Speaker 12 It's really tough to go. Kirby might be the worst coach to go against in college football.

Speaker 12 I did it last week. First quarter, it's over.
They play their first, best first half of the year.

Speaker 1 Can't get there or miss. How'd you do on your picks? How'd you do on your game day picks?

Speaker 12 Two and one and hit Superdog on the field. So we're good.

Speaker 1 17 and 16. Boy, Steve.

Speaker 1 17 and 16 on a season. We're above 500, baby.
That's good. That's good, brother.
I'm happy for you. Because I think a lot of people see the 500 and think, like, not doing good.
It's like, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 We're doing okay right now. You had a little bit of a run.
Then you cooled off. One and two, one and two, one and two to counteract the two and ones that you had.

Speaker 1 If we're back on the two and one trainer it's perfect time it's perfect time stanforce for you to be seeing the board well and we're gonna ride alongside you as we appreciate the hell out of you stopping by each week with another college football convo have a good one we'll see you in pittsburgh brother yes sir i got my eyes on a place for lunch tomorrow fizzoles there's no fazols oh not a bad idea what's your what's the name of the place rudy's

Speaker 1 maybe don't eat that tomorrow it's gonna be coming in bunches on other days what oh okay what was that just look somewhere else you can't get enough rudy's other guy.

Speaker 26 Hit it whenever you want, brother.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Gumpy. Gumpy understands.
Are you going to eat there? If you're going to go there, it's all part of the process. You're going to eat Turner's tea right here.
Boom.

Speaker 1 Let me go ahead and get a little bit of this. Let me go and get a whole Italian hot lettuce on your mayo.
I'll take cheese on the fries on the side, make it the daily special. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Then you go sit down and then they serve that. Then you bring that out on you.
Crispy fries.

Speaker 1 Chili lettuce. Ooh.

Speaker 1 Great. Mancini bread right there in front of you.

Speaker 10 Don't be afraid to get the cheeseburger sub either.

Speaker 1 Fuck you, Tony. You should not be saying anything about Rudy's.

Speaker 10 It's the best thing I got.

Speaker 1 You started all of this.

Speaker 1 Tone, you started all this.

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 5 No one came out really roaring for the other side.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty loud about it, all right?

Speaker 1 Gumpy's pretty loud about it. I fucking love Rudy.
Joe Hadley sent in a text to the group. Did you see it? No.
Yeah, he said, I love it. Joe's in the group.
Joe's in the group?

Speaker 14 Kaboli never said it was the best sub in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 And Kaboli's voice matters more than anything, and we don't have to get into why.

Speaker 1 This is true.

Speaker 26 Mayo eat anything.

Speaker 1 I love

Speaker 1 that. Everything's good.
Yeah, I love Mayo.

Speaker 2 I trust his rating system better.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's not going to come out and say one's better than the other because it depends what time of day, where he's at, and what he needs. Everything's good in time for Kaboli.

Speaker 1 I mean, what are we even saying?

Speaker 5 Do you like skinny chefs?

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 5 Do you like chefs? You know, chefs, when they're really skinny, you trust them?

Speaker 1 I would like Alfatso as a chef. But

Speaker 1 on that note, Kaboli's eating mayonnaise sandwiches.

Speaker 1 He's not a chef.

Speaker 5 If you told me Kaboli's eating poop, I'd believe you. But I'm just saying his opinion when it comes to food.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 He makes a good point.

Speaker 6 He does.

Speaker 1 If someone said, hey, Kaboli had a bowl full of poop for lunch today, I'd be like, God. I don't know what he put on top.

Speaker 3 What do you put on top of it?

Speaker 1 I would believe that.

Speaker 1 Respect. You would believe that?

Speaker 2 I would not believe that.

Speaker 1 Me either.

Speaker 6 I'd be a little surprised, but I wouldn't be

Speaker 1 taken aback. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't believe it, Cabol.

Speaker 1 I do think Cabol likes a lot of things, so it's hard for him to just crown something. You know, he can't just be cool.

Speaker 6 Next meal is the best meal.

Speaker 5 Bingo.

Speaker 1 Why? Because it's the next meal. Exactly.
That's what. Caboli's always in a football mindset.

Speaker 1 His food's the same way.

Speaker 14 He's a guest picker, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That is crazy. I don't know if they picked one.
Is Mark Caboli the guest picker?

Speaker 4 I think so.

Speaker 6 Please. That's a great idea.

Speaker 20 But have him walk from like 200 yards away and throw him the whole way up to the station.

Speaker 3 Play seated using again.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Steve. Sorry, man.
You have no idea who this guy is. You know Mark Cabol? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 I've seen him on the show. Of course.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know Kabul.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'll tell you what, Cabola's having a great year.
Travel's been tough for him, though.

Speaker 1 He's got all the way games. He documents it, though.
The air traffic controllers being down has not been good for Mark Cabol.

Speaker 1 And we would like to support him here as the official employer of him and let him know. We appreciate that, Cabo.
Cabool.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 12 Where the Steelers facility is at? Leitrobe or La Trobe?

Speaker 1 So if you're from there or you're old Yinser, you say Leitrobe, I believe. Okay.
Most people, though, that I know say Latrobe. But if you would like to drop it around there, you should say Le Trobe.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 12 But I'm not a Yinser.

Speaker 10 Like AJ did yesterday with Nam and Nam.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Viet Nam is what he said instead of Vietnam.

Speaker 1 If you want to feel like a super Yinser, Yinzer, you should say, I was up on Elytrobe. Yeah, I've been there a couple times in Roller Rock.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were drinking a little Roller Rock Dinner, having a good time. A little Turner's tea.
You dropped that one in there. People would be like, yeah, Turner's tea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course I did Turner's T. What are we talking about here? Drop it in Iron City if you'd like.
If you have an Iron City. There you go.

Speaker 12 I see light.

Speaker 1 There you go. See, you're starting to get...
Yeah, you know all the shit. Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 Rudy subs, though. Definitely drop Rudy subs.
That'll really up the.

Speaker 1 And the good thing about Rudy subs is, and the reason why they're so good and i don't like the slander from your fucking mouth foxy's mouth what did i say i'm not sure why i'm giving just the messenger i say anything about rudy i grew up eating pub subs so i know good sub pub sub can't hold the sand paper that rudy subs is that miami subs miami subs

Speaker 1 great fries but pub great subs orange fries yeah great chicken cool lighting cool

Speaker 1 always oh yeah very cool very cool miami subs did have a little bit and it was closer to the house than rudy's so i'm gonna going to let you know that sign that got me, the flamingo got me a couple times away from Rudy Subs.

Speaker 1 I'll say, but it did go out of business because I believe they were selling drugs at the back of it. Tone, is that accurate?

Speaker 9 Yep, them and Smarty Artis.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Both those places closer than Rudy's. So to get to Rudy's on a bike or walking, we had to go a pretty long way.
Had to go past McDonald's first.

Speaker 1 That might get me. That's a sandwich.
I like it. Miami Subs next.

Speaker 1 Discipline. Let's keep going to Rudy's.
Smarty Artis was there. Oh,

Speaker 1 best wings in town. Best wings in any heard more than wings.
Well, they were selling a lot of drugs out of that place.

Speaker 10 Or they put them in a sauce.

Speaker 1 Potentially.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 it was good. Are they open? Best wings you ever had.

Speaker 1 Give me a bowl, Steve. Our dare officer actually stopped.
That is not Smarty Artist. That is Rudy Subbs.
Okay, just so we are all clear. That is Rudy Subbs right there.
Good spot.

Speaker 1 What's Rudy's last name? Well, I don't know if it's. Rudy Subs.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 Is that Italian?

Speaker 10 It was just a coincidence.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Kind of knew what he was meant to do.

Speaker 5 Subsini?

Speaker 1 Might I have a little respect. All right.
Enjoy Pittsburgh, though, Stanford Steve. I will say this.
You should go buy Rivers Casino, though.

Speaker 1 Lose about $100 just to tell the Pittsburgh gods you said thanks and then go do your thing.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 1 Are you a casino guy?

Speaker 12 The problem is I'm headed out to Las Vegas after game day for Monday night football. So trying to keep my poise as far as the casinos go.

Speaker 1 It's right there. You're going to be right.
The casino in Pittsburgh is going to be howling at you. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Rivers is going to be right there.

Speaker 1 Keep doing your thing. We appreciate you.
Ladies and gentlemen, Stanford for Steve.

Speaker 1 There was an opportunity for you to stick up for Rudy subs.

Speaker 3 Well, see, you didn't give me a chance.

Speaker 5 You just started just yelling at me.

Speaker 3 I never said a thing about Rudy.

Speaker 10 What's the sub place, though? In where are you at? West Hills?

Speaker 5 Debella's subs.

Speaker 1 That's a sub show. Debella's got good subs.
Yeah. They got good subs.
Good bread. I think they probably have Mancini's bread as well.
Yeah, they're good. They're good.

Speaker 1 Let's go to your offensive lines that are performing at an all-time high.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to go in the trenches with AQ Shipley in the top five offensive lines. Number five, Chicago Bears.
Why is that? Chicago Bears are awesome.

Speaker 3 That's why, because it starts with Darnell Wright. He is going to be the right tackle.
He's going to cave everything down. But I love this scheme, right? You're going to run a YNF counter.

Speaker 3 So you're going to see Cole Komet come across. Stop.
Invite the defensive end inside. Seal him.
Now you're going to get Loveland out in space.

Speaker 1 By the way, how good is that, Ken?

Speaker 3 Can you guys run through that hole?

Speaker 1 That's a big,

Speaker 1 gaping hole. Is this Ben Johnson from Detroit shit here we're watching? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 It was unbelievable the way that he did that with Komet on the run to invite him inside to seal to get Loveland around.

Speaker 3 Loveland not getting enough pub because of Tyler Warren, but he's playing fantastic.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, wait, what are the Giants doing with that defensive front?

Speaker 1 That's 93. That's out there to the right.

Speaker 2 That's a nose guard out of the edge, and we got Brian Burns back here off linebacker.

Speaker 3 Yep, that's what they're doing. That's why the New York Giants are the New York Giants right now, and that's why their head coach got fired because they're doing dumb.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 now you want him to Penn State?

Speaker 3 Well, see,

Speaker 1 now you want him at Penn State?

Speaker 3 He's not coaching the defense.

Speaker 2 No, true.

Speaker 1 He's a head coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, that's a good facilitator.

Speaker 3 You don't want to be a micromanager.

Speaker 1 You're right. Good leadership.
That's good leadership. Good leadership letting your defense play like ass like that.
That's right. Yeah.
Dayball probably had his hands tied if we had to guess.

Speaker 1 There's a lot to go on over there. We can't wait to see what Dayball does next.

Speaker 1 ESPN's college football account, social media account has put out that AQ Shipley and Pat McAfee think Dayball at Penn State would be good.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. And I don't know if I think it's a good thing or a bad thing, but I definitely loved hearing it from you.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And if Dayball gets Penn State coaching job, we'd like to let them know. Good luck out there.
Yeah. Good luck at him, Dan.
I'm pulling for it. Hopefully your defense ain't doing that.

Speaker 1 Because Ben Johnson of college football will take advantage on certain Saturdays. Who's the number four performing offensive line coming out of week 10 of the NFL season? The New England Patriots.

Speaker 1 What does this mean?

Speaker 3 Hey, they look good. And I've been singing their praises, trending up and to the right all year.
Let's take a look at this. This is old school duo right here.

Speaker 3 But it starts with Morgan Moses and on Wenu, getting the double team up to Levante David. Hit that thing 100 miles an hour.
Go hit your head on the goalpost. Look at the left side.
This is the reason.

Speaker 3 They drafted two rookies, Wilson and Will Campbell. Look at Jared Wilson, if we can run this back one more time.
Jared Wilson on Vita Vea, just fighting for his life.

Speaker 1 Number 58.

Speaker 3 Number 58, left guard. All you got to do is just fight, fight, fight.
And as Vita goes to do this, just hold on, kept it out just long enough, and there's the hole.

Speaker 1 Goes untouched. So we got two rookies on the left side that are doing just fine, you're saying?

Speaker 3 They're doing great. I mean, listen, Will Campbell's been great.
Jared Wilson's been better, better. And he was drafted in the third or fourth round, I think, Connor.

Speaker 1 Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's been fantastic and kind of came out of college as a center out of Georgia, playing him at left guard because they went and got Garrett Bradbury to be their center for Minnesota.

Speaker 3 And now all of a sudden, this left side has revitalized this offense.

Speaker 1 Trayon Henderson is also very good.

Speaker 5 He finally got full full touches right because there was an injury yeah Stevenson was out and then early in the game Jennings went out actually another former Penn Stater and then it was all Treveon Henderson I think he only touched the ball or 17 times 18 times got 150 rush yards two tuds it's unbelievable I mean the things just this season are incredible of course but we're talking about a guy who's 23 years old playing quarterback and this offseason the story was hey you got to overpay guys to prove it.

Speaker 5 It's crazy to think that this upcoming offseason is going to be more so. The Patriots are one of the top destinations.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the New England Patriots getting it right with their young quarterback. Okay, let's go to the number three performing offensive line of week 10, the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 A lot of Seahawks, though. Yeah, a lot of Seahawks.
You saw them up close and personal.

Speaker 3 I did, and I liked what I saw. And it starts.
They get their fullback, Brady Oots, back. He was on Iowa.

Speaker 1 Oots.

Speaker 3 Rookie out of Alabama. Spelled O-U-Z-T-S, pronounced Oots.

Speaker 1 That's a great name. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He was a backup tight end at Bama. They've made him their fullback.
He's fantastic. Let's look at the combination, though, between the center and the left guard.
So, Olu Olawatimmi is the center.

Speaker 3 He comes in as the backup because the starting center goes down. Him and Gray Zabel, their first-round pick.
Look at this combo up to the backside backer. Boom.
Put his ass down.

Speaker 3 Charbonnet does what he does. Make a move.
Get back out to the left. I mean, this was all game alone.
This entire drive started inside their own 10. They went the same play.
They went to the right.

Speaker 3 They went to the left. They went to the right.

Speaker 1 They went to the left the whole way down.

Speaker 3 Got some points out of this drive. Incredible.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's a lot of footwork there from the big guys. Takes a lot of coordination, chemistry, and practice.
Is this a newer offensive line? Have these guys been playing together for a while?

Speaker 3 They have been playing together this year. I mean, they went and got, they got their guy, Gray Zabel, from North Dakota State, first-round pick.

Speaker 3 He has really injected some life into this offensive line. Their left tack was really good.
So same thing. If you get one side good, your entire line becomes better.

Speaker 1 AJ Hawk, what do you think about the Seattle Seahawks offensive line getting to the second level quicker than he could, you know, kind of say get to the second level?

Speaker 20 Yeah, you coupled that with you see Charbonnet's footwork and him able to like put his his foot in the ground and change direction so quickly.

Speaker 20 They got something good going. When you get the fullback back, I like that little, that little half motion he's doing, the side motion, because you can run a lot of stuff off of that.

Speaker 20 Your linebackers are naturally going to boss and bow sometimes away to not get out leveraged. And you can kind of mix things up.

Speaker 20 But like I said, I've said for a while, like the Seahawks, they're legit. If their line's only getting better as the season goes, I think they're a legit contender.

Speaker 1 Is Charbonnet 45 years old? How long Charbonnet?

Speaker 4 Feels like he's been around for a while, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he looks fast, quick. I mean, everything about about him looks amazing, but I know the name.
I feel like I've known the name Charbonnet for a long time.

Speaker 1 I've seen highlights of Charbonnet for a long time, it feels like. And now the Seattle Seahawks are featuring him even more.
And it's like, and they're on top of the world.

Speaker 1 Like, good for Charbonnet, too, as well. 24 years old.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's on his rookie deals still. That's wild.

Speaker 3 And Kenneth Walker was great in this game, too. They both had over 70 yards rushing.

Speaker 1 Both of them. Good for the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 3 By the way, Sam Darnold, I think, only threw the ball 13 times in this game. So they just hammered the run game.

Speaker 1 And he's in MVP discussions. He doesn't care.
You have me throw it 13 times. I don't care at all.
Let's just win these games. They're certainly doing that.

Speaker 1 Speaking of a team that's winning games, the number two performing offensive line of week 10, the Detroit Lions. Hell yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this play is awesome. I mean, talk about a hole.
Let's watch this. We get the old triple trap going right, triple zone going left.

Speaker 3 Let's watch Laporta start this thing off, wham the defensive tackle, watch Penney Sewell on the backside, de-cleat this linebacker, and then, I mean, he never even broke stride.

Speaker 3 Never even broke stride right through that hole.

Speaker 1 Hey, he's a lot of Detroit Lions Lions fans' favorite player, huh? Gibbs? Everybody likes Jameer Gibbs, it feels like.

Speaker 14 Everyone loves Gibbs. 173 total yards, three touchdowns.
When he's going, we're pretty much unstoppable. This is the Lions team that we need to see every week on in the trenches.

Speaker 1 The Lions pounded the commanders. Dan Campbell's calling plays.
Did you hear what Dan Campbell had to say about who's going to be calling plays in the future and how it all works?

Speaker 2 I did not. I would assume

Speaker 2 he's going to stay and he's going to call the rest of the way.

Speaker 1 Well, what about Johnny Moe? Here he addressed it at the press conference.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I mean, eight games, you can figure out a lot in eight games about what you are, what you're not, where you're at, all this and that.

Speaker 23 But the bottom line, like, even from where I sit, look, don't forget, Ben,

Speaker 23 you know, I called those games. I called whatever that was, eight or nine games.
I don't remember what it was in 21. Well, he

Speaker 23 helped me, but he watched, he learned.

Speaker 23 You know, he saw how I ran it, how I wanted to run it, what I was looking for. And then it evolved.
You know, he evolved it from there. He took it.
He knew exactly what I wanted.

Speaker 23 And, you know, by the middle of 22, I didn't have to say a word. I mean, he was, and so that's kind of where John is right now.
That's all. You know, it's good.
And,

Speaker 23 you know, sometimes that's the best way to really know what somebody's looking for is just

Speaker 23 going through that. So.

Speaker 23 Look, I just feel like it's the right thing to do right now, and and I'm going to do it. Am I perfect? No, I'm not perfect.

Speaker 23 Players are going to have to bail me out. You know, they bailed me out yesterday on a couple of things.

Speaker 23 Jared Goff bailed me out. So the staff bailed me out.
But that's what teamwork's about, man. We got to all help each other out.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 26 that maybe John comes back around a year from now when his calling plays again. I mean, is that like...

Speaker 1 Yeah, or who knows?

Speaker 23 I mean, maybe sooner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just kind of want him to see what I'm looking for. And then there's some stats coming out from Hembo here.

Speaker 1 The Lions' tendencies by season 2022 through 24 with Ben Johnson, 50% under center, 30% play action, 68% motion. 2025 here, 54% under center, 30% play action, 70% motion.

Speaker 1 So it's like, this may be Dan Campbell's office. This is what Dan Campbell's saying.
Like, hey, this is kind of what we're looking for. Now, he did give credit to Ben Johnson.
He evolved.

Speaker 1 He changed it from there. But this is what we're looking for.
We want motions. We want explosives.
We want to be able to take advantage of all of our people.

Speaker 1 And the fact he can just drop back in there, AJ, I think is fascinating, where he just drops back in, puts the glasses on, starts calling to plays, and they have the best week that they've had all season.

Speaker 1 lions fans are saying hey mcdc we're not taking those glasses off but four eyes mcdc is the rest of the season we need you calling it and i kind of like him talking his shit too like hey i'm not like an ass play caller here this is kind of something i've done here for a while that never gets brought up about mcdc yeah i liked that first time i saw that clip i was not surprised but i was it was cool to hear like the honesty and how he talked hey ben was right there i was calling those games and then i guess it is true like if you you're the head coach you want your play callers to absolutely know the vision you have and how you want like the the identity of your offense.

Speaker 20 So yeah, maybe maybe he does give up play calling eventually. But if you as long as this offense continues to roll and I understand it was only one game, like he's not going anywhere.

Speaker 20 He is going to be calling this play.

Speaker 2 I loved everything about that. One thing about Dan Campbell, he's been unapologetically himself.
He's been honest. He's been open with the conversations.

Speaker 2 And some people have been saying he's a savant. I mean,

Speaker 2 a lot of people say, hey, it was the commanders, but to come out and show like, hey, okay, we can have, I'm sure that was an uncomfortable, difficult conversation with a guy that's, hey, you promoted him to be the play caller, but it's like, hey, you know, just watch and learn.

Speaker 2 Ben went through the same thing. You see where Ben is now, and I'm sure he'll get the opportunity again, but this was awesome.

Speaker 2 And then knowing the post to your team, too, you're a winning team, but hey, this is what the team needs right now.

Speaker 2 Maybe I don't have to do this the whole way, but let me do it for now and show them how it's done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the guy said, is Johnny Mill gonna be calling plays next year? And Dan was like, next year? Well, it might be like three, four weeks here. Let's see how it goes.

Speaker 1 What do you think he's waiting for, Fox? Do you think he wants to see if he gives him enough time? Hey, here's against a team that has a good front. Here's a team that has a good front.

Speaker 1 Like, how do you think this is kind of going? And what do Lions fans want? Yeah, I mean, right now, Lions fans want MCDC calm plays for sure. Well, back behind the wheel.
That's what Foxy was texting.

Speaker 1 And it's great to have MCDC behind the wheel again, is how he chatted.

Speaker 14 Yeah, 100%. J-Mo had six catches, 100 yards, a touchdown.
St. Brown, five catches.
Laporta, five catches. Cleef Raymond, four catches.

Speaker 1 Gibbs did what he did.

Speaker 14 Montgomery still had 70 yards in this game. So So to us, we're going to find out a lot on Sunday night against a really good Eagles defense.

Speaker 14 I think if MCDC keeps this rolling against that Eagles defense, you can't go back. You just literally cannot as the head coach.
And I just love that he makes moves.

Speaker 14 He's not afraid to make these kinds of moves.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love that he's telling the truth. What's that?

Speaker 6 I was just going to say, I mean, he's kind of said, I don't think he would do this, but he's kind of in a perfect spot because if they lay an egg on Sunday night, he could just be like, yeah, you know, I'll let Johnny call this one tonight, and unfortunately, you saw what happened.

Speaker 1 Now, Coach, we saw you calling the plays, I thought, just like.

Speaker 6 No, yeah, I'm trying to throw Nick off on the other sideline, man. You know, I mean, I got to make sure he thinks I'm calling plays.
That was Johnny up in the booth.

Speaker 6 He obviously didn't do a great job, so I will take the reins next week.

Speaker 1 So you were showcasing your Applebee's commercial acting there on the sideline the entire game because they had a lot of shots of you definitely calling the plays. It's gamesmanship, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, you get it in this league.

Speaker 6 Everybody can be fooled. So, yeah, but that was Johnny.
I mean, yeah, hey, you score three points.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take the reins again. Don't worry.

Speaker 6 You're going to be seeing a lot more of what you saw last week, man.

Speaker 5 He could do that.

Speaker 6 I'm not saying he will do that, but, you know, it's there if he needs it.

Speaker 1 If it happens. Yeah.
You never know for the good of the team. Exactly.
Tone, how do you feel about that and your thoughts on it?

Speaker 10 To Ty's point, I thought I saw something where MCDC said they were going to trade off.

Speaker 10 So MCDC got the Commanders, and then Johnny Moe's going to have the Eagles, and then MCDC's got the Giants, and then Johnny Moe's got Green Bay, and then MCDC's got Dallas, and then Johnny Moe's got the Rams, and then MCDC's got the Steelers.

Speaker 10 I thought he said he's like, I think I'm going to do every other game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's

Speaker 1 not a bad idea. Yeah, once again, MCDC football.
That's right. Just so smart.
Nobody ever talks about it. Everybody calls him a meathead.

Speaker 1 Speaking of meatheads, who are the five best meatheads in week 10 of the offensive line in AQ? Shipley's eyes. Oh, no.
The Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 1 Two-time.

Speaker 1 Two-time number one offensive lines in the NFL this season. The last time it happened, we laid an egg against Pittsburgh Steelers.
Now this time, hopefully that'll not be the case.

Speaker 1 What did the boys do? Oh, broke records in Germany. Is that right, AQ?

Speaker 3 That's right. 32 carries for 244 yards and three touchdowns.
This was,

Speaker 3 Jonathan Taylor obviously had some big runs. Let's watch this.
This is the game winner. Look at Tyler Warren start left.
Watch Jonathan Taylor start left. This little subtle jab.
Then come back.

Speaker 3 Kick out by Quentin Nelson.

Speaker 1 Kick out by Tyler Warren.

Speaker 3 And then Jonathan Taylor just absolutely undresses the safety in the hole.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a little hezzy there with him. Yeah.
But yeah, he is outrageous. Good setup, good scheme, good strategy.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. I mean, how good is that?

Speaker 2 That's tough, AJ.

Speaker 1 That's a brutal, brutal spot. Because

Speaker 20 he thinks the blocker's coming for him for a second, too.

Speaker 1 Look, he thinks Tyler Warren's going to hit him. Oh, wait, not me.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I just thought him one-on-one here with nobody else around.
Great news. Jonathan Taylor has become a must-watch.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the offensive line has become must-watch in doing so. Is it the offensive line, which is why Jonathan Taylor's doing so well? But he's obviously a special, special, special.

Speaker 3 The O-line's fantastic. Tyler Warren's been a big piece of this because they play him at fullback a lot, and this is what he's been able to do.
But look at the trade block on the right side.

Speaker 3 Mo Alley Cox, Braden Smith just cave that whole thing in as they climb, seal the backside. You get the kick out, you get the kick out, and then.

Speaker 1 I think I saw Mo Alley Cox on that mic'd up say he was blocking and he heard no whistle. He was blocking and there was no whistle.
And he's like, is this dude about to score a touchdown?

Speaker 1 And he hears the crowd start roaring and it's Jonathan Taylor going for whatever, 90 yards or whatever he did that one run.

Speaker 1 And I forgot about Mo Alley Cox still being on our team. He's gigantic.
Huge. And if he's blocking and Tyler Warren's blocking, we're able to do what the Steelers were doing there.

Speaker 1 We have six offensive linemen, but also it's a tight end. We have seven offensive linemen, Tyler Warren and Mo Alley Cox, obviously a two tight end set.
There's three tight ends in here.

Speaker 3 I don't know who this tight end is on the backside.

Speaker 1 Ogatry.

Speaker 2 That's who knocked Oprah Mooney out. There you go.
Pre-game. So you know he's a big, strong son of bitch, too.
Yes, he is.

Speaker 1 He looked like he was getting good blocking here, too. So we got 13 personnel, basically, but two would be considered a fullback and a running back in that.
But so that's eight blockers. Yep.

Speaker 1 So you give Danny Dimes some time and you give Jonathan Taylor a lot of opportunity. Shane Steichen seemingly has figured it out.

Speaker 3 It's really good stuff. I mean, it really is.
And like AJ said earlier about that little short motion, this is what you can remember. Seattle did it and they ran zone to it.

Speaker 3 And then right here, you can short motion left and now run the counter back out of it.

Speaker 1 Watch Quentin Nelson here. Watch Quentin Nelson.
He didn't have to make a block guy miss and he goes crazy. Yes.
Yes. He Kenny Albert did that again.
Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 1 Was there any McQuaid stats about Jonathan Taylor's game in Berlin, Germany?

Speaker 6 His top speed actually reached,

Speaker 6 I want to say it was 38.67 kilometers, which

Speaker 1 per hour.

Speaker 1 Kilometers.

Speaker 1 Do they do kilometers per hour, LOD? Well, kilometers would be a distance, so you need to add some sort of a lot of things.

Speaker 6 But it's not.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's kilometers per second?

Speaker 6 Yeah, or like kilometers per meter or something like that, Lot. Again, I'm going to have to kind of brush up on my metric system measurements, but I don't believe it's kilometers per hour, LOD.

Speaker 6 But in this case, let's say it is. Yeah, he was 34.86 kilometers per hour.
That actually set a Guinness world record.

Speaker 6 Unfortunately, no one from Guinness was at the game, lad, so it cannot be authenticated. Adjudicated.
Adjudicated, yeah, the adjudicator, excuse me, lad.

Speaker 6 So it will not be in the next book, which obviously very close to Christmas season.

Speaker 6 Yeah, a lot of young lads will be getting the big thick Guinness book of world records, you know, from Santa Claus, maybe.

Speaker 1 That won't be on.

Speaker 6 That won't be in there, unfortunately, Lad. But it, you know, let's let's say what happened.

Speaker 6 Let's say what happened. Uh, that is a world record, lads.
It's just unfortunately the adjudicator was not there.

Speaker 1 Okay, Gumpy, is 38 kilometers per meter, right? Or are they going kilometers per hour?

Speaker 26 It's 38 kilometers an hour.

Speaker 1 Okay, an hour.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're going to drop that in there, lad.

Speaker 6 There we go, lad. You know, learn something new every day, lad.

Speaker 1 What would 38 kilometers an hour be in miles per hour?

Speaker 6 Fast, lad.

Speaker 1 As fast as Caleb Williams?

Speaker 6 Much faster than Caleb Williams, lad. I know he looked, but that's a bit deceptive, lad.

Speaker 6 I think if we look at what Jonathan Taylor was, you know, at his top speed, lad, much quicker than Caleb Williams, lad.

Speaker 1 Do they have Caleb in kilometers per hour? Because it was back here in America.

Speaker 6 Exactly. Excuse me.
I just swallowed a June bug, lad. That was stateside.
So obviously I'm not going to have as accurate of stats because I was boots on the ground in

Speaker 6 the stadium there in Berlin, lad.

Speaker 1 35.4 kilometers per hour is 22 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 What did you say? 38?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't remember, lad. I want to say it may have been like 35.46.
I know I had like a 4.6 or a 4.8 in there, lad, but yeah, that's pretty close.

Speaker 6 I'd say that's, you know, a pretty accurate reading, lad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd say. So, you know, it might actually come out.

Speaker 6 It actually might be pretty, pretty similar to that.

Speaker 1 That's it, really.

Speaker 6 So, you know, McQuaid stats.

Speaker 1 I mean, just pulling them out of your ass. Exactly, lad.
That's the way it works. And you could have gassed that up a little bit to be a true McQueen stat.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and if I'm being fair, lad, I think in my head, I was thinking that was going to be like 30 to 35 miles an hour. I don't know why, but clearly it wasn't, lad.
Stats don't lie.

Speaker 6 That's probably pretty fucking accurate, lad.

Speaker 1 Truly.

Speaker 1 Top five performing offensive lines. Congratulations.
Colts, the Lions, Seahawks, Patriots, and the Bears. That's the first time the Bears have been on, right?

Speaker 3 No, they've been on the last couple weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were last week. They're rolling.
Oh, geez. Good for me.
Paying attention. I need to pay attention more to them.
I love that. Caleb.

Speaker 1 Around the edge. Outrageously fast.
Good for Ben Johnson. Good for all the offensive lines.
As we pivot from the O-line in the trenches, let's go to the defense.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Good D and Bad D in the everything DB world of Darius Butler. Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Keep on.

Speaker 2 We got some good ones this week. We know with this game and how it ended up right here.
35-20. So a two-possession game right here around midfield.
Big fourth down. A pre-snap.

Speaker 2 Obviously, man-to-man up top. A man-to-man situation looks like middle close.
But down here in the bottom, we got Bourne, Kittle, and McCaffrey kind of out wide.

Speaker 2 So pretty much, this is a bunch formation for this defense, and they kind of play a bunch adjustment to it. So it's going to have five defenders on those three receivers, and you let it run.

Speaker 2 It's going to be almost like a box situation. We used to call AJ, but we have an extra linebacker in the middle.
So box is basically, hey, is that safety? I got deep inside.

Speaker 2 Corner, I got deep outside. Then two underneath defenders, that corner right here on the outside, low outside, and then low inside.
You got two low inside defenders here. So it's really nowhere to go.

Speaker 2 CJ, not CJ, see Mac. McCaffrey, he's going to curl up right at the sticks.
If Mac Jones can kind of step into this and make this throw right on time, right on target, maybe he gets the first down.

Speaker 2 But Emmanuel Forbes does a great job breaking on the ball, breaking on the tensions, tapping it up in the air. We talk about tips and overthrows all the time and making a big play on the ball.

Speaker 2 Obviously, if the pockets start to get muddy, kind of double clutch should never want to do that and fade fade away. But great play on the ball by Emmanuel Ford.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's Mac Jones or the defense? And what are your thoughts on Mac Jones' play against the Rams?

Speaker 2 I mean, I think overall, Mac Jones is still a very, very good quarterback. It would be a conversation on who will be the starter once Brock Purdy is fully healthy if the money wasn't so different.

Speaker 2 It would be a real... quarterback controversy, but I think when Brock Purdy is fully healthy, he will be the starter.

Speaker 2 But Mac Jones, I think he has made himself a lot of money this year, and he's definitely extended his career for a long time. We know how valuable that quarterback position is.

Speaker 2 And this is a very, very tough defense, and they were kind of playing behind the eight ball for a large part of this game.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl contender-type defense, the Rams? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 I mean, they kind of gave the Eagles a run for their money last year in the playoffs. And the Eagles, a lot of those players said, hey, that was the toughest team we faced along the way.

Speaker 2 And now, with Stafford the way he's playing, absolutely, his defense is coming a long, long way every week.

Speaker 1 I said that last year. Just saying.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 3 The Rams are going to beat the Eagles, remember? didn't happen, but

Speaker 1 oh, nice. So, what they're pretty close to, you were wrong.
Tell me this, Joe DiNardo. What did you forecast? What did you that they were damn good team?

Speaker 1 You forecasted that they were they were in the playoffs, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, everybody had them as like the six, though.

Speaker 3 They were the second best team in the playoffs last year.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was when you hated the Eagles, though. Remember that guy

Speaker 1 hurts sucked. Yeah, the best offensive line.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. Let's get back to the film.

Speaker 2 Moving on, Marlon Humphrey, a all-everything DB slot defender last year. You know, he's had some ups and downs this year as his whole team and this whole defense has.
3-1 situation.

Speaker 2 9-10 ball game right here. The Vikings are actually up.
So 3-1 around midfield. Kind of four-down territory.
So

Speaker 2 a place in the field where you can definitely take a shot. Marlon Humphrey's obviously been around.
It's third and one. You're on the island.
When we got 21 personnel, it's only you.

Speaker 2 Actually, 20, is 22 personnel? 22 personnel. Only you and Justin Jefferson out there.
I'm not giving up the big play. He stays on top.
Does a great job of stacking Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 2 Justin Jefferson, I don't know about the effort level in this route and definitely about the effort level after the interception.

Speaker 2 Like he's not interested in getting there and trying to make this tackle. Don't love that.
But a great job by Marlon Humphrey staying on top, keeping his eyes back on the ball.

Speaker 2 That's incidental contact. Both of them have a right to the ball and then making the pick.
And then obviously getting some return yards to set your ball.

Speaker 1 Good for Marlon, too. He needed this, right?

Speaker 2 He definitely needed needed this. He had a pretty good, very good year last season, has been in and out of the lineup, has taken a bunch of shit for his podcast off the field.

Speaker 2 Some things that he said. He always has his ex account getting people riled up.
But this is a big-time play for him against one of the best wide receivers in the National Football League.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Justin Jefferson, after the interception, let's just not get hurt, but that's what he's thinking.

Speaker 1 That's what I think is probably going through his mind. We have seen, obviously, people

Speaker 1 haul ass to try to make those.

Speaker 1 We've seen legit, all those types of things.

Speaker 1 We've also seen people not

Speaker 1 go after it. But on that note, we think Justin Jefferson probably should understand people are watching.

Speaker 1 People are watching. We need at least an attempt at an effort.

Speaker 2 You're kind of, I mean, loafing like this, it's a different league. If this was kind of, when we were playing or a little older, like, because we're taught to block.
quarterback and intended receiver.

Speaker 2 And you can see Roquan Smith, who's kind of a throwback, he's damn near headhunting.

Speaker 2 So if maybe if he's half-assed, and that's really coaches tell you all the time, that's how you get hurt not going full speed.

Speaker 2 And I'm sure Justin Jefferson, because I would assume KOC talked about this on tape, because you got to be showing effort if you're the highest paid player and the best player on the team.

Speaker 2 A lot of times guys are going to follow your lead. And we know what Jefferson is in this league.
He's a great competitor week in and week out. So this isn't him in the best light.

Speaker 2 So he'll learn from this as well.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Those quarterbacks after picks, what used to happen to them? Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God. Oh, yeah.
That's what you're taught.

Speaker 20 Yeah. Intended receiver, quarterback.
Kill them both.

Speaker 1 that's what it used to be taught yeah nearest intended receiver nearest receiver right because they're probably going to be the most athletic person they have eyes on the ball they know that you have the ball before everybody else let's not worry about the big guys okay let's not worry about the big guys we should be able to get around them uh and the quarterback also knows the pick happens before anybody else because they are watching it happen so if we can get the quarterback and the nearest or the intended receiver that would be the right play i didn't really learn that until i was like around you guys like the football community a little bit more oh that makes a lot of sense then you started watching back then oh yeah and it was like after a pick, you just go watch the quarterback and it's like, there's three, four people.

Speaker 1 Like, let's go ahead. This is the time.
This is return.

Speaker 1 Hey, sorry about it. You're fucking on defense now.
They used to try to, and then through. Quarterbacks know that.

Speaker 20 They knew that as well. Like they had, they put their head on a swivel and decided, hey,

Speaker 20 I may not go after this dude as hard as I would when you have like 4D linemen all headhunting you for sure.

Speaker 1 Was it was it

Speaker 1 what's a sweet bullet from BYU, Zach Wilson, against Coastal Carolina, I think. There was a pick.
He threw a pick. It was a Thursday night game, maybe, if I recall.

Speaker 1 And it felt like an old school thing for the Coastal Carolina D-line. They put him on the ground and then they were like punching him through the, if my memory serves me right, it's the teal field.

Speaker 1 It was happening. And there was like two guys pick up Zach Wilson and like drive him into the ground.
And it obviously looks wild because it was just a few years ago or whatever.

Speaker 1 But back in the day, it was like to AJ and D. I didn't know this coming into your guys's world.
It's like, yeah, fuck you.

Speaker 1 We get a free shot on the fucking most important guy on the other team right now. We get get a free shot on this guy right now.
Let's go ahead and do that. They had to change the rule.
Defenseless.

Speaker 1 They had to change the rule and make a defenseless player just like kickers and punters. Yeah, here it is right here.
There it is. Yep.
That was it. Because it was COVID, remember?

Speaker 1 And they opted to flop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, decided to play him like that.

Speaker 1 The reps like, are you kidding me? They said 2003, bud.

Speaker 6 Well, and I think there was other stuff that went into it, but I think that's what really made the bounty gate thing get really loud was in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 I want to say it was Saints Cardinals and Kurt Warner threw an interception and got, and, you know, at the time, he was like 40 something and he got, he got fucking blasted. So he's like dead.

Speaker 6 I think he like, you know, lacerated kidney, like something like that. And then after that, it was like, hey, what's going on here? What are these guys doing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they, I mean, that used to be your guys' shit. That was a, that was, I will say, that was the most alarming one when I came into your guys's world, like into the football world.

Speaker 1 Just not at the time when I was told. I was like, oh, that makes sense.
That's probably how you should view that thing. And then you watch it in real life in a first person.

Speaker 1 It's like, you see three dudes, like eyes, like as soon as the pick happens. they're not even looking to block anybody, they're looking directly to where is this fucking asshole quarterback at.

Speaker 1 And then it's like you're literally getting hunted on the field.

Speaker 20 Shit, this was nasty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a crazy thing. I think a lot of quarterbacks are a lot happier now that that is a penalty and we are real defensive.

Speaker 2 We played with a quarterback with Luck, who when he threw a pick, he was full, like he thought it was a damn safety. He was like, Hey, Drew, chill, bro.
We like, we need you.

Speaker 1 He used to die, yes, lay out with his.

Speaker 1 to do it. Which goes back to Patrick Mahomes of Texas Tech.
As soon as he gets on stage, has his earphones in, you need to stop getting hit. And he goes, I'm delivering the hits.

Speaker 1 And I go, fucking, that's the problem right there.

Speaker 1 That's the problem right there. But some of these guys, they feel like they're disrespecting ball if they don't do that type of stuff, which is an interesting dynamic in and of itself.

Speaker 5 Mahomes definitely won't do that on interceptions because that's actually what destroyed Rashi Rice's leg, if you remember.

Speaker 1 Mahomes sprinted down after the interception, you know, laid out trying to make a a play and he just happened to blow Rashid Rice's leg up scary situation oh yeah that's when you're reminded it's real football you know like a kicker will get a mix I think it happened a couple years back Hauska yeah

Speaker 1 I love Haushka I got a chance to meet him and talk about him but his

Speaker 1 His family was not happy with me saying, hey, Henry Goose Anderson was definitely in the right to block you.

Speaker 1 You need to know that that block is potentially coming because if he doesn't block you and you make the tackle, Henry Goose Anderson potentially cut from the football team.

Speaker 1 Now, do I think he was a little aggressive on his block?

Speaker 6 It's football, but just like in this situation, signed up for we did a judge pat on it, and you exonerated him.

Speaker 1 I did, yeah, so just because, hey, when you're out there, there's a chance football is gonna happen. There's a chance football is gonna happen, and you cannot not know that because

Speaker 1 just watching dudes get fucking obliterate. Just

Speaker 1 I was jogging down the field, jogging down the field against Buffalo Bills. Ellis Langster, former teammate of mine at West Virginia,

Speaker 1 I'm jogging down the field right here. Okay.
He's on our left gunner. It was a punt to the right, I do believe.
He came all the way around. Okay.
Would have never seen him. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm jogging down the field. Would have never seen him.
He comes running right by me. He goes, I could have fucking killed you.

Speaker 1 And then he just jogs me by. And I go, oh my God, thank you for not doing that.
Jeez, Louise, thank you for not doing that.

Speaker 1 It's like, it was at that moment where I was like, thank God it's fucking Ellis, first of all. Because even if it's a little bit after the play's over, that person's still doing that.

Speaker 1 And it was like a wake-up call. Like, yo, every time.
Head on a swivel. And then his coach is going to be like, hey, why don't you

Speaker 1 kill that guy? Yeah, yes. That's my boy.
Yeah, yeah, come on. We have some times, but he literally, I could kill you.
I could fucking kill you. Like, oh, drive-it was like a drive-by.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh my God. Yes, you could have.
Thank you for not doing that. Head-on swivel out there, especially if you're throwing a pick.
But they try to make it a little bit better.

Speaker 1 Now, sorry about directing away from the good deal. Let's get to some more of that.

Speaker 2 Let's get back to it. Back in this another NFC West kind of blowout, but we're in the late in the third quarter, fourth and five.
You score right here.

Speaker 2 It kind of becomes a much closer game, obviously.

Speaker 2 Great. I mean, we've done seen a lot of football.
I don't know if I've ever seen a pass break up this phenomenal. We always talk about playing through the ground, through the entire catch.

Speaker 2 And from this point, you probably just think diving catch, maybe Marvin Harrison Jr. just drops it, but just watch how Pritchett finishes his PBU.

Speaker 2 Just the body awareness, the ball awareness to finish this while you're diving to completely turn around and make this play in mid-air. Just an unbelievable pass breakup right here.

Speaker 1 How cool would it be to be able to throw two punches in one jump? It's crazy. Throws one, misses it, still floating.
Oh, I can get this on the backside. Just the wherewithal of where your body is.

Speaker 1 We talk about the Omar Cooper Jr. catch because of how impressive it was for Indiana for his body control.
This guy still knowing, oh, he's not down yet.

Speaker 1 We still got time and locating and pinpoint accuracy accuracy on that. Insanity, AJ Hawk.

Speaker 20 Yeah, you know what it reminds me of?

Speaker 20 I don't know if you guys had the little picture when you were a kid in your elementary school rooms where I believe a frog is getting eaten by a duck or something.

Speaker 20 And while it's in his mouth, it has his hands around the duck's neck and it says, don't ever give up. I believe it's something like that.
That's what this kind of reminds me of.

Speaker 1 That's the same picture. What are you talking about? That's a good pin point.
You know what I'm saying? Yep.

Speaker 2 Way to illustrate that. I had the same picture.

Speaker 1 Don't ever give up, man.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Jimmy V and

Speaker 1 also the duck and frog poster in our elementary schools. I'm going to think about that when I'm jumping through the air and I miss on my first pass breakup.
It's going to be a frog and a duck.

Speaker 1 One of them is going to kill the other. Don't ever give up.
Don't ever give up. I'm going to break that up.
Incredible play by Pritchard. And thank you for that trip back in time there, AJ.

Speaker 1 That was miraculous. Go ahead and keep it.

Speaker 2 We're talking about incredible plays and nothing

Speaker 2 in a two-minute situation.

Speaker 1 Yes, you do. Arrested.
But you might get arrested. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 I'm about midfield. First and 10, two-minute situation, 17 seconds left on the clock.
We all know how this game ended, but up on the top of the screen, cut split.

Speaker 2 You're going to get a crossing route, which in man-to-man coverage is probably the toughest route to cover with the guy running across the field. Just watch Derek Stingley Jr.

Speaker 1 Tailpipe.

Speaker 2 You're not tailpipe and then undercutting. It's one strict rule with all the coaches that I played for.
When you are undercutting the pass, you better make sure.

Speaker 2 We used to say two hands on it, but it only took one here.

Speaker 1 Just unbelievable

Speaker 2 play by by Derrick Stingley Jr. This is why he became one of the highest paid corners in the league.
This is why you're also drafted number three overall at the cornerback position.

Speaker 1 So is it Trevor Lawrence or him?

Speaker 2 The ball was a little behind them, but I think even with a perfectly thrown ball, and a lot of people think crossing routes are easy to throw. They're not.
He's got a little traffic in his face.

Speaker 2 And if this is routes on air, if this is against scout team, this is a catch, maybe a catch and run.

Speaker 2 But that is an unbelievable, not only great play, but just the confidence to undercut that and then get out there one hand and just snag that thing.

Speaker 2 Unbelievable play by Derek Stingley Jr.

Speaker 1 Hell of a game for the Texans, obviously exhilarating for them. They go 26 and nothing in the fourth quarter or second half to win.
Fourth quarter? Yeah.

Speaker 1 26 on that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the fourth, which is outrageous to think about. Jacksonville Jaguars, horrible loss for them.
Houston Texans, maybe a culture shift win for them.

Speaker 2 You see both corners. We talked about that tailpipe situation.
Both corners on these crossing routes, kind of in the tailpipe. Lassiter, he was ready to undercut as well.

Speaker 2 and you got to have confidence and you better get your hand on that damn ball if you do it yeah because i guess that's out the gate if you oh yeah speaking of out the gate kyle williams tight split against mid ben morrison jr down here man-to-man coverage once again kind of starts out similar steps out a little bit to outside outside his frame goes to undercut

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 2 Ball over the top. Perfectly thrown ball.
Good ball. And then up the sideline, out the gate for a big-time touchdown to tie this ball game up.

Speaker 2 And then watch the pocket that Drake May had to throw this from, collapsing from his right side, still had the touch, hitting his stride, over the top of the undercutting DB, big time play by Kyle Williams.

Speaker 1 How crazy is it that Drake has this touch vision while getting hit and the ability to get it all? I mean, he's, this guy's like actually special.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's special. You saw, you've been seeing it game in and game out all year long and having that type of pressure.

Speaker 2 And this wasn't even in comment because I showed him this play before and he had obviously already saw it a bunch of times. He was like, this wasn't even close to his best throw of the game.

Speaker 2 So, just the hits that he can take, the awareness and the wherewithal to still make these type of plays. But I'm sure Kamen could talk in more detail about the throws he made in this game.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's just incredible what he does in the pocket with pressure in his face.

Speaker 5 I mean, that was just one, but there was one where he rolled to the left, Vita Vea, all-pro, unbelievable player, Super Bowl champions, you know, breathing down his neck, and he makes him miss and then throws it with four guys around him.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, it's just incredible. And again, he's 23.
I can't believe this is my life. Amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool that you guys up in New England England never gave up.
You know,

Speaker 1 you obviously had to turn into a new era. You had to turn into a new page, a new chapter, and

Speaker 1 you never gave up. You never, you never gave up.
You never gave up. You never gave up.
You never gave up. Never.

Speaker 1 You never gave up.

Speaker 1 You never, you never.

Speaker 23 Oh.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Was that NH?

Speaker 20 That's

Speaker 20 one of the versions for sure.

Speaker 1 One of the versions?

Speaker 20 There's a couple different depictions of this situation, but yeah, this paints a picture well.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because that's a stork, not a duck.

Speaker 1 That's one of them long-legged ones. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Finn next.

Speaker 1 I thought it was a duck, too.

Speaker 6 Well, there might be a duck version, I think it would.

Speaker 1 Big old frog.

Speaker 7 Most of them are a frog in a crane.

Speaker 1 I think that's a toad.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 You think that's a toad? Who won?

Speaker 18 Who do do you think won

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 i think

Speaker 1 right now i think the frog wins that's a pretty good look because there's no way the frog's gonna be able to get down there they're both kind of suffocating yeah but the frog water animal who gave

Speaker 1 first

Speaker 1 not the frog neither one of them they never gave up well i think birds getting no air no frogs getting some because there's a little bit over the head maybe coming in through the beak i don't know that that head looks pretty yeah so the frog needs a lower right shoulder get a little air in there so it can continue to breathe.

Speaker 1 But the bird's getting none. I mean, that frog's hands can't be that big.
And that thing is completely...

Speaker 5 Stork might be dead. I mean, that frog just snapped every single bone in his neck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, maybe it is just kind of what's that thing called when you lock up at right afterwards? Rigor mortise. Maybe they're, maybe they're cranes in a rigor mortise, right?

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 2 Good frog can hold his breath longer.

Speaker 1 Exactly, kind of a water thing. Yeah.
Air accurate.

Speaker 6 He's also getting a little air from the stork's butthole. you know

Speaker 1 opening on the other end that he see but i don't think it's getting through there you think it's getting through there it's carbon monoxide

Speaker 6 oh you can breathe in a little bit of that though before we pass out right aj who do you think wins

Speaker 20 uh i believe the frog strangled him before he died I think so.

Speaker 1 Frog looks a little bit more like a dog, too.

Speaker 1 Just strictly because the birds have those dainty long legs. Maybe I don't believe in them.
Frog's got fucking good girth though. I think they're a little bit more.
Wide base.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do got a little bit more of an ash on them. AQ, who wins this fight here, Frog or Crane?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Frog for sure.

Speaker 5 He's got a better base.

Speaker 3 I'm always going to lean with the trenches.

Speaker 1 There's no base, though.

Speaker 3 He's got a base. You just don't see it.
It's just kind of up in the air a little bit right now. He's got it.
Okay.

Speaker 12 You just don't know it.

Speaker 1 Toxic table, Conman, who are you odds on favorite?

Speaker 5 I mean, I'd love to see the picture zoomed out because if there's like eight other storks around him, then what are they going to do to help, though?

Speaker 4 How are they going to help him, though?

Speaker 1 They're going to pick it out. Yeah.
Rip his legs off. Yeah, rip the legs off.

Speaker 4 Frog's not letting go.

Speaker 20 Frog ain't letting go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess the frog could potentially be locked in there, so they would have to peck at the shoulder blade and

Speaker 1 kind of get the legs.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but if they peck hard enough, they're going to slit that thing's throat from its asshole. Ty,

Speaker 1 who wins this?

Speaker 6 I'm going to agree with Conman here. You'd need to see how many other.

Speaker 1 Let's say no other storks are the only ones.

Speaker 6 Then I think based on how big this frog... I mean, just looking at it, like you said, that frog is not fitting down his windpipe.
I mean, look how skinny that thing is.

Speaker 6 And if he wants to, a very firm jerk one to the right or left, he's snapping the stork's neck in two.

Speaker 3 He's in a perfect chest-supported row position. He's probably going to row that neck right through his beak for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It might be a murder-suicide sitch because even if

Speaker 1 frog gets past, like stork gets frogged down, frog's stuck. probably to your point about the windpipe, even when the hands aren't on there.
Yeah, he can't wiggle out.

Speaker 1 So frog might be dead, but stork might as well because can't, because stuck. He got got a frog in her throat.
Exactly. That's where it comes from.
He'll have a frog.

Speaker 3 That's where the depression comes from.

Speaker 1 He'll have a frog in his throat. So I'm happy we got there.
D-button who wins? Team Frog. Oh, wait.
Sweet. Do we have more bad D.I.?

Speaker 2 Oh, we got one more with JSN. Big time play, big-time playmaker.
We talked about the addition.

Speaker 2 You pause it here, of Rasheed Shaheed, who circled down the bottom of the screen once again with a cut split around midfield.

Speaker 2 Buddha Baker, he's going to dive down from the opposite side to take that crosser away from the speed.

Speaker 2 Rasheed Shaheed does a great job with leverage, so he's taken away, but down the field, now you have a one-on-one.

Speaker 2 And just like we saw kind of the flip side of Marlon Humphrey with the Ravens stacking the receiver, this is what great receivers do.

Speaker 2 Run good route, great patience, out and up, and then he stacks the DB. Incidental contact once again, box him out, falls, and then goes up and catches the ball.

Speaker 2 So big time play by the guy who's playing the best wide receiver right now in football with JSN obviously a great throw from Sam Darno as well but the coverage focus on Rasheed Shahid early six man pressure they don't get home big time play down the field AJ they're saying Brian Hartline may be another coach somewhere he's calling plays this year I think I forgot about that and all of his guys are dominating the NFL right now what are your thoughts on that potential move and everything that

Speaker 1 JSN's been doing and a mecha abuka and I guess Marvin Harrison Jr. now with the Cardinals coming.

Speaker 1 Basically everybody coming out of that factory that Hartline, the wide receiver room in Ohio State, has.

Speaker 20 Yeah, obviously, Hartline's one of the best recruiters in the country, and he's one of the best coaches when it comes to technical, how to run routes, how to sit down, find the open space.

Speaker 20 I think if Hartline wants to leave and wants to get a head coaching job, there's plenty of people that want him. I just don't know what his plan is.

Speaker 20 I think he could have left many times earlier, but he likes where he's at, I think.

Speaker 5 Yeah, people are also really talking about Kubiak. Kubiak, now that they're going through who Kubiak's been with and what years.

Speaker 5 Brock Purdy's best year as a pro, Kubiak was, I think, the past game coordinator or the OC. I forget which one.
Darnold now, obviously,

Speaker 5 I forget, but there's a tweet that has all of them. And Kubiak, they're talking about too, with the Giants being kind of the bell of the ball with Jackson Dart.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love Hartline. He's our guy, our age.
I think he'll be a great head coach.

Speaker 2 AJ talked about all the things, the development of the guys that come in there and how they are when they leave and then how ready they are when they hit the pros. Big wide receiver you for sure.

Speaker 1 You don't want Brian Hartline at Penn State? You say those guys are too talented? No, I would love him.

Speaker 3 I've said that from the beginning.

Speaker 10 How good of a recruiter he is.

Speaker 3 He gets every wide receiver. I think he owns Florida, right? That's who he gets a lot of his guys from.
Great play caller. He's obviously a great player.

Speaker 3 I played against him when he was at Ohio State, and I just don't think he's on the list for some reason.

Speaker 1 Wait,

Speaker 2 you changed that? Marcus Freeman was his teammate.

Speaker 1 He's doing all right. I yeah, he's doing great.
James Laurenitis is, I think, the linebacker coach.

Speaker 3 That could probably be the DC.

Speaker 1 A.J. Hawk, maybe?

Speaker 20 No, I think I'm good where I'm at.

Speaker 1 But yeah. You want to coach me? James would be great.
You want to coach it? How about when President Trump was saying, Nick Sabin needs to fix this?

Speaker 1 College sports. I love it.
Of course. Like, I don't think he wants to do that, dude.
He's got a pretty good thing.

Speaker 4 It's a lot of work. It seems like a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he can do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you actually, I think, could.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Nick's a guy for that. That's a funny.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. That's a fun.
No,

Speaker 1 and I assume, I haven't talked to Coach Saban about it yet. I assume he'll say, thanks for, all right, give me all these jobs.
Everybody wants me to work. I'm having a pretty good time.

Speaker 1 I like this job.

Speaker 21 I like my fucking golf.

Speaker 1 He's the best. Coach Sabin is the guy, though.
If anything is going to be the best. Everything, DB, good, DB.

Speaker 3 Debot, the boy, D-Bot, right?

Speaker 1 Pretty good show today. Hell yeah.
Three hours, 52 minutes, fresh out of Paris Island. 0,400 wake-up call for some of us.
Would you have won? 1,000%.

Speaker 1 AJ.

Speaker 1 Can't believe you made it at all.

Speaker 1 I will be there was the text.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was sending hilarious movie text messages to me and to the group about i will make it happen you know planes cancel every doubt agent yeah i mean i did actually just because of how hard it is to get to where we were especially with it all but obviously coming in about an hour before the show aj lock drives in who is it holy hell how'd you get here don't know then you take uh off and head out of there we're appreciative of that entire thing um

Speaker 1 i man It's a great day. Dude, I'm thinking about it all right now.
Like the 4 a.m. thing.
Would you have done it if you were there?

Speaker 1 oh yeah i would have i would have had to do it yeah debutch did it yeah i had to

Speaker 1 conman was slept in a barracks ty schmidt was fighting his own battle there first the fight ty said you got it yeah marie was coming out of the attic and the basement i do believe for ty schmitt yesterday morning fought through it shout out to the marines got back in the fight he did get back in the fight that's how the marines were talking to ty by the way yeah back in the fight which was good It was a wild experience.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Debuts, what are you kind of now, you're 24 hours removed from it.
What are your your thoughts for what we saw in the morning? Not just the lights, but everything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you compared been, you know, my pops been in the military, older brother, younger brother. You hear stories about boot camp and being, you know, having training camp and things like this.

Speaker 2 But this, this was different just to watch these. And you see, you forget like how young.

Speaker 2 these people are a lot of them you see their faces like damn these are kids you know fresh out of high school or maybe early 20s and it's a lot of things that they're learning and or being taught for the first time at the highest level so we've seen people that have gone to the military, maybe we've grown up with, and then become completely different people.

Speaker 2 And this is just a small glimpse and it's kind of why we walk away from like, oh man, that was intense. That was crazy.

Speaker 2 And this is probably like somebody watching an individual period of one of our practices. We were in there for what, 30 minutes, 20, 30 minutes.
So they had another entire day, and this was day 19.

Speaker 2 So it was awesome to see. It was awesome to get up and watch.
I hate, I didn't want to be the asshole just on the sideline, arms crossed, watching guys suffer. But

Speaker 1 they weren't paying attention to to us at all this is awesome that was a funny part of it because i've had the opportunity to do this once before aj and the way the entire barracks or a platoon is in a barrack here there's a company is the entire building there's six platoons per company this was the uh mike I think yeah mike four I want to say I think yeah third battalion mic here uh that we got a chance to see and they were obviously up and at him uh but some of the boys were like oh I don't want to go I feel like a bad guy D-butt wasn't the only one I'm like hey brother they have no fucking idea you're in there these guys their brains are just full on whoa whoa whoa they're 19 days into this thing it's like it's very cool to watch and get a chance to see it like kind of construct a disciplined accountable war dog is happening right in front of us which is what the marines are trying to do and uh 19 days in there some of them look like they have not done a lot of physical activity in their lives think about how sore you are 19 days

Speaker 1 push just go do a hundred push-ups if you haven't done anything in a while and then see how everything feels tomorrow And then guess what? We're doing it more, 200, 300, we're doing all this.

Speaker 1 And then pull-ups as well, muscles that people probably haven't used, just those little muscles. And then you're sleeping for four hours, kind of, sleeping.
It's very kind of.

Speaker 20 When you know that's how you're waking up too, you don't like good luck sleeping.

Speaker 4 When you wake up, oh, is it here?

Speaker 20 Like, you always wake up looking, I cannot imagine the mental games that plays on you.

Speaker 1 And they're just trying to hold you.

Speaker 2 That was crazy, too, though. Just how soundly some of those guys were sleeping.
Because it was, we what we got in there probably, what, four or five minutes minutes early?

Speaker 2 So we saw some things going on, which was, you know, loud to the normal person, but you know, you're just seeing guys just, you know, it's 3.59 and you get that countdown till four o'clock when all the lights on the base go on and it's just full chaos immediately.

Speaker 1 There was a guy, there was the closest bed dog. Yeah.
Guy had this blanket up over his shoulder, kind of cuddled up. He looked really, guy above him was up, like just, oh my God.

Speaker 1 There's action happening. There's somebody, there's night watch happening.
There's somebody on guard. Their DIs DIs are now all in there.

Speaker 1 There's extra DIs in there because Sergeant Major is also there. So they're having it.
Like, it is, it was very, I don't want to say loud, but there's no like quietness.

Speaker 1 And there's lights and everything like that. And the guy on the top bunk, just eager, I don't want to say eager.
Yeah, probably eagerly awaiting whatever was about to happen, clearly.

Speaker 1 And right below him was like such a perfect depiction. He's just like so comfortable.
And we're sitting there with, you know, like seven DIs, okay, and then retired DI,

Speaker 1 Bull Rush, O Gartland, First Sergeant Gartland. And like you point that out, and they just get like,

Speaker 1 fuck that guy. And it's like, that guy has no idea that his comfort right there just literally spiked the DI.
It's like, all right, we need a little bit too comfortable around here.

Speaker 1 Things are a little bit too comfortable. And then all of a sudden, boom, bang, up here, back there.
Pow, go brush your teeth, shave your face. I don't want to see a single hair on there.

Speaker 1 Has to happen in less than 30, 45 seconds. Get back here.
Line up. Go get your shirt.
Where's your shirt? Get your jacket. Where's your pants? Where's your boots? Get it back.
Put your socks on.

Speaker 1 Quicker, quicker, quicker, quicker. Where are your socks? Guy dropped a sandal.
Awesome. Just what a moment.
Accidentally trying to put them on, throws one out into the middle.

Speaker 1 Just all of us just look at it and go,

Speaker 1 oh, no.

Speaker 1 This guy might be dead. DI turns around.
What is this? Do the entire thing. Bang and the bow.
We're right back in there. It's like discipline is kind of taught very quick.

Speaker 1 And then the buy-in is outrageous. I mean, we obviously saw it yesterday with the crowd in a yes, no answer.
We got a yes, sir, no, sir.

Speaker 1 But in there, the buy-in is just like immediately, what do you need it? Where do you need it?

Speaker 1 How, and then, whenever you join them, you know, that's why it feels like such a family, we've all been through the same thing. The buy-in is real, and we've experienced it.

Speaker 1 We were lucky to be there yesterday, man. We're lucky to be down there.
What a cool place, Paris Island.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't have made it.

Speaker 1 You could have made it. You couldn't quit.
Remember, you asked me, hey, how did it?

Speaker 2 So, like, you quit, like, what do you tap out? You're renewable.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. None of that.
You're here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You will make it through.

Speaker 1 And we will see to it. Get injured? Cool.
Yeah. We'll put you in, you'll be wearing a little different color over here.
And then you'll just have to restart. Guess what?

Speaker 1 It's going to be waiting on you.

Speaker 1 And while you're doing that, you're cleaning all this shit. Whatever you can do, you are cleaning everything at all times.
We are trying to create Marines here. Welcome to Paris Island.

Speaker 1 What an honor it was. What an 18 years old.

Speaker 1 Walking in there. Just think about if you came from a pretty nice little area.
You know, I won't be part of Marines who walk in there. Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck

Speaker 1 right now.

Speaker 1 Then the amount of pride that they have. Yesterday, getting a chance to talk to all the like families and parents and ex-Marines and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Once a Marine, always Marine, but you understand what I'm saying? Like retired Marines, so much pride. Yeah.
So much pride in that place. And it's because of how hard it all is.

Speaker 1 That's why you have so much pride in it. It's like football.
Like the reason why people are so happy is because the amount of work you put in, how hard it is. If it was easy, everybody would do it.

Speaker 1 And if it was easy, everybody would get to have these great times. It's the hard times that create the great celebrations, I think.
And they are. They are ready.

Speaker 1 All of them. They're ready.

Speaker 2 Like, they're ready. Like, we got kids, we got different things.
Well, hey, yeah, we'll lay it on the line for our loved ones, wife, kids, you know, whatever situation.

Speaker 2 Like, it's a complete different thing to be ready to lay it on the line for somebody you may not even like, you don't agree with, you don't know, but like, hey, this is what I signed up for.

Speaker 2 And then to also be almost like, because I look at it, anytime I'm talking to anybody, anybody i still see view myself as an athlete or a football player it's like you know football players we sign up play football because we want to play the game like we want to go make tackles we want to score touchdowns

Speaker 2 these guys marines in particular they want to go play the game and they're ready to go into the game tag me in coach so it's great it's a great feeling to know like hey these are on our side still exists yeah yeah still exists still we've still got them so that should be a nice message to the rest of the world

Speaker 1 we saw them we still got Marines. Okay.
And that is not good for you. You guys want to do some shit, let alone all the other branches of animals and dogs that we have out there.

Speaker 1 Very lucky that the military took us in yesterday, and we appreciate the hell out of them. All right.
Tone, why don't you get out of hammer?

Speaker 3 Don, Don.

Speaker 1 Let's get the hell out of here. Four hours today.

Speaker 1 Good show. Everybody knew this was coming.
Great show.

Speaker 1 Little to no sleep yesterday, pretty big thing. We got to see if we still got it.
Might as well go four hours.

Speaker 1 We're there.

Speaker 1 Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice.
It might change our life. We're in this thing together.
AJ, any final thoughts?

Speaker 1 No, not today. Thank you, though.

Speaker 20 You get pissed at whatever I do say.

Speaker 3 I'll tell you what I say. Nothing.

Speaker 20 I wouldn't leave it to AQ.

Speaker 1 Good call. AQ, anything to say?

Speaker 1 That was awesome. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Team on me. Great work today, AQ.
Safe Travels. Great work this week, week, Debut.
Team Travels.

Speaker 1 Team on me, team on three. One, two, three.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.

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