PMS 2.0 1443 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 9 Recap, MNF Preview, Adam Schefter, Clayton Kershaw, & Dan Orlovsky

Speaker 1 Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this massive overreaction Monday, November 3rd, 2025. This program begins right now.

Speaker 1 Football is majestic. We are so incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about it every single day.
And week nine of the NFL season has delivered.

Speaker 1 And tonight it wraps up as the Cardinals will travel into Jerry World to take on the Dallas Cowboys. You're three and a half point favorites at ESPN.

Speaker 1 Bet you can get them at just three-point favorites. Jacoby Brissett will be a quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals.
With Tyler, maybe having some sort of role. Interesting situation over there.

Speaker 1 And then for Dallas, we just saw Stephen A in first take live from Jerry World. That looked like a sick setup down there.
And anytime you get to Playmaker on TV, it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 Cam Newton, obviously, bringing the juicer. Dan Orlovsky looking so damn nice, didn't he? Oh, yeah.
His complexion, he was glowing. His hair looked perfect.

Speaker 1 He'll be joining us in the second hour of today's show. Shea and obviously Stephen A doing his thing down there.
Looks like a place, though, that's obviously ready for a primetime matchup.

Speaker 1 Looks like a place that knows that their team can be great.

Speaker 1 Will this week be the week where the Dallas Cowboys step up to the plate and become dominant against an Arizona Cardinals team who has lost a lot of games, but they've all been pretty close.

Speaker 1 Arizona Cardinals can go into Jerry World, Mayor, really turn this place upside down, get it a big-time dub on Monday night football with Jacoby Brissette leading the way.

Speaker 1 That's what we'll be chit-chatting with Dan Orlovsky about in the second hour. Adam Schefter will be joining us here after the first 15.
And then we'll also do baseball.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're going to go to baseball in the second hour about 120. Jet passing is currently committed to us at 120, but we got calls into the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 So if there's any Dodgers players right before they hit their parade are able to join the show at about 120, we might have to put Jet push Jet to tomorrow. Okay, might have to do that.

Speaker 1 Jet is learning about that right now as we speak.

Speaker 1 But we got some lines in the water over there for the Dodgers because we like to chit-chat from the wonderful team that just went back-to-back to win the World Series. Wow.
Congratulations to them.

Speaker 1 People aren't happy about the way they went about winning it, but I'll tell you what, it's legal. It's allowed.
They did it.

Speaker 1 Will they be the ones that caused some guardrails in the next negotiation on what these contracts could be? Is baseball about to transform completely from what they've been this entire time?

Speaker 1 Where at the top they're going to spend a lot of money? Blue Jays, fifth highs, payroll. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of teams in the league. Blue Jays, fifth highs.
They're up there. Everybody's calling them like the Pittsburgh Pirates.
People are talking about them like they're the pirates.

Speaker 1 Pirates way down here. Pittsburgh, where I'm from, Pirates don't spend any money.
So you got Pirates fans that love baseball. Okay, we love baseball.
We've got a lot of history here.

Speaker 1 And they're watching this Dodgers team win. And they're like, they're paying one guy more than our entire...
Our entire roster is down here. How is this fair? Well, that's going to be the convo now.

Speaker 1 And because the Dodgers win and the Dodgers spend a lot of money, they're going to be looking for defenses as well. And they're going to say, well, the Mets spent more than all of us.

Speaker 1 They didn't even make the playoffs. So this is like a tush-push conversation.
If it's so easy just to spend money and win, well, how come the Mets aren't doing it? That's what the Dodgers say.

Speaker 1 It's It's a little bit different animal. We'll talk to Jet or a Dodger at about 120.
The talks at tables here at Boston Corner. Hey, Patriots.
Still going. Still going.

Speaker 2 Longest win streak in the NFL right now.

Speaker 1 Let's keep it going. Very real team up there in New England.
Such a culture shift from last year to this year.

Speaker 1 And another, you know, kind of stepping stone for Drake May is just being able to do it all the time. And he does.
Congrats to your Patriots.

Speaker 1 You have to be immensely happy with where you guys are at, leading the division over there. Leading the division over there.
Now, in Ty

Speaker 1 at Ty Schmidt, Carolina Panthers, good football team. That's a good football team.
That's a good football team. It is.
I mean, what a tough game to watch, just optically, but

Speaker 1 on that note, Carolina Panthers, good football team. It's a good football team.
We're all worried about the Packers at all. Panthers, good football team.
Sure. Tough football team.

Speaker 1 Tough football team. Pretty football team.
Hard-nosed football team. That's what they are.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Packers, everything's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everything's okay. Panthers, good football team team team team team.
Good football team.

Speaker 3 That's what happens when you play a good football team on Sunday. Sometimes you're going to get beat.
So, yeah.

Speaker 4 Boy, boy, that was tough to watch. But again, careful.

Speaker 1 Panthers, Panthers.

Speaker 1 That's what you're saying to yourself if you're the Packers. And by the way, Panthers might be.
Yeah. I mean, actually, that was an ugly game on both sides.

Speaker 1 And you're going to have to be able to win some of those games to be a great football team. Panthers, though, over the last month have shown a very different side.
Now they lose.

Speaker 1 They certainly haven't been perfect, and things like that have happened. But with that team and what the culture they're building, they're not a bad football team.

Speaker 1 So I think a lot of people think back to when the Panthers were selling 15 tickets and there was nobody at the games and they think that they're completely ass so whenever they beat the packers or something like that packers fans go we lose to the panthers yeah are you kidding me 13 and a half point favorites that's why we got to remind people hey panthers go to the football team let's go football team let's go to one half of the hammer

Speaker 1 cowboys ap ton might be a great football team might be a great football team over there in pittsburgh you know that three river tonne is obviously a football ton and they've been kind of skirting around the the outskirts of mediocrity for a long time okay we've been having winning seasons, but we haven't been able to go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 We haven't been able to field a team that we can see in the season that we will have confidence in that can maybe make a run.

Speaker 1 This offseason, they changed the entire game plan for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 They spent $30 million a year on a wide receiver that's never done anything for Pittsburgh, trade them in from the Seattle Seahawks and DK Metcalf.

Speaker 1 They pay Aaron Rodgers 10 million a year, bring him in to be the quarterback because they've been trying to figure it out. Darius Slade, Jalen Ramsey, John U.

Speaker 1 Smith, you're talking about making plays all over the field and all over the roster, basically signifying, hey, we're going all in.

Speaker 1 Cam Hayward, who's been there for a long, long, long time on defense, he said, I think we all kind of understand what's happening.

Speaker 1 You know, we don't know how much time we have left here, and we appreciate that the Steelers are going for it. And they play against the best team in the NFL.
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 1 They played against the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And whenever I started watching that game, I thought to myself, wow, we're going to win this thing pretty easily, just like we all thought.

Speaker 1 Maybe the Colts win by 60 with the way the Steelers' defense is going. And Danny Dimes comes out there and just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 1 Daniel Jones' guy. You just say, hey, Daniel Jones, just crushing it.
Bum, bum, bum, bum.

Speaker 1 Man, we're going to do it. We're going to kill it.
Then all of a sudden, your guys' team just decided to start playing like everybody thought they were going to start playing.

Speaker 1 Steel Curtain was all the way back. Six forced turnovers, including obviously a muffed punt that is not able to be advanced.

Speaker 1 A lot of people from Pittsburgh are saying that should have been a touchdown. I thought Pittsburgh was a football town.
You can't advance a muff.

Speaker 1 That has been a rule since the very beginning. If the ball is possessed, then fumbled, you can take it.

Speaker 1 But if it just hits somebody, it cannot be advanced, just like in an on-site kicks, like certainly what we saw yesterday.

Speaker 1 But a lot of Pittsburgh Steelers fans, I think, were seeing yesterday what they thought this team could be. And Colts fans had no idea that they were just going to so happen to show up against us.

Speaker 1 But the little thing that nobody brought up, and Bill Coward tried to tell us on Friday. He did.

Speaker 1 I'm going back down here and me and the boys, he said, couldn't be in the building, going to take a picture. I hope I take a picture with me, Ben, Aaron, and Coach Tomlin.
And they do. Okay.

Speaker 1 Then they get obviously honored and recognized. This team right here, you know, Bussy's team that went into Detroit, his hometown, and wins a Super Bowl to send him out of there.

Speaker 1 The amount of legends in Pittsburgh that are just on that, the amount of legends in this photo right here just goes on and on.

Speaker 1 People that you haven't even really thought of in a long time pop up in this photo and you're like, holy hell, that guy used to run this city if he really wanted to. Let alone Bill Car going back in.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of influence, I think, from what this team was and represented, which Pittsburgh people say, this is our city. This is exactly who we are.

Speaker 1 And then you watched that Steelers team yesterday.

Speaker 1 It did feel like they drew a little inspiration and we should have remembered that and thought of that and maybe called ahead of time and said hey can we do this another game you know another game maybe instead of against the indianapolis colts because we haven't been able to beat steelers for a long time this is supposed to be a get-back game for all the times that i played against pittsburgh steelers and we just got absolutely killed instead it was very much similar to the same seven-point ball game okay you can't win any game with seven turnover seven point ball game

Speaker 1 seven point ball game yeah we kicked the field goal with 13 seconds left and then we had to attempt an on-site kick and then we would have been a hail mary if we would have got it but instead, DK Metcalf, I believe, pulls it down in its game said match.

Speaker 1 But the Pittsburgh Steelers, this is exactly who you guys thought you could potentially be? Is this what the Steelers thought and hoped they could be? And guess what?

Speaker 1 There's enough time left in the season for this to become the reality for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 Yes, it is who we all thought the defense could be. And the frustrating part about the last two weeks is they've, the previous weeks, they had shown flashes of that, that they can do this.

Speaker 4 This could be the defense that they could be. And then the last two weeks, they just got absolutely torched.

Speaker 4 And I think it was Dan Orlovsky who came on earlier last week and said, like, the Steelers' defense is just, they're doing more than I've ever seen them do, meaning getting into multiple personnel sets, different coverages, and they were screwing themselves.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yesterday, they had Jalen Ramsey playing safety and then Kyle Duggar, who they just traded for coming and play safety, and they simplified everything. They were playing fast.

Speaker 4 They were flying around, obviously creating turnovers. And then you talked about that.
That 2005 team being in the building.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of people saying Dick LeBow came straight from that picture, straight to the sideline to coach the defense yesterday.

Speaker 4 But no, like they're now 2-0 on the season when Cronin creating five-plus turnovers.

Speaker 4 So, you know, if we could get five-plus turnovers each game, the offense did just enough to, you know, punch in after those turnovers.

Speaker 4 But no, that whole team being there, the defense flying around yesterday, it was an awesome, it was a good win. It was a good reset win.

Speaker 1 Here's the Steelers this season. They've had 63 points off of turnovers.
That's the most in the NFL. These are some Hembo stats.
And they have 16 takeaways, which is the second most.

Speaker 1 But their defense ranks 25th in points per drive whenever it doesn't result in a takeaway. So there's a lot of left

Speaker 1 on the bone, you know, play by play, says Hembo for the Pittsburgh Steelers team. But man, they looked a lot better than they had looked.

Speaker 1 And as soon as you put the eyes on that team, start to fly around, it's like this is what the Steelers fans all envisioned.

Speaker 1 Whenever we were at training camp, this is exactly what they were thinking about. And Aaron Rodgers having quite a moment on multiple moments, it's like they can do it.

Speaker 1 Feels like they feel they could do it. And the Colts, seven-point loss.
Hey, it's our second loss of the season. these things are gonna happen let's hope

Speaker 1 danny dimes had some incredible throws had some tough moments there was some maybe a little miscommunication on some routes and stuff like that can't be muffin punts there's a lot of misfortune too and it might be because the 2005 team was there but i think the colts have all taken the right mindset they're heading over to germany Okay, and we need nine turnovers.

Speaker 1 And that's not nine the number.

Speaker 1 That's nine no turnovers in the German language this upcoming. Congrats to the Steelers.
Thank you, Harry. Congrats to the Steelers.
Steelers are a really good football team.

Speaker 1 Really good football team. You know what a really good seg is that we have found?

Speaker 1 Well, it's nowhere near accurate to the timer, please, in the lower right corner of the screen. No, it's nowhere near accurate with the time.
You know, this says 15 minutes. It's called the first 15.

Speaker 1 But remember, first 15 means scripted plays. That's right.
His first 15 plays of the drive.

Speaker 1 Nobody's saying, hey, first 15 plays, it needs to be like in the first minute and a half or two minutes of the game. No.
No, because that drive might extend.

Speaker 1 First 15 plays driven by Ram, which whenever you hit the gas pedal of one of those Ram trucks, the only sweet sound that you can hear is

Speaker 1 We ride on clouds, obviously, and we're floating on clouds whenever we get a chance to talk about ball for the first 15 scripted plays of the program.

Speaker 1 That has gone 42 minutes, but let's go ahead and hit that clock, start that clock right about now. Top five headlines from NFL Week 9 Sunday slate.
Well, the NFL found its fastball, did they not?

Speaker 1 Nine out of the 12 games in yesterday's slate were one-score games. Remember, this follows a historically ass weekend for the NFL.

Speaker 1 The NFL only had one outcome last weekend that was within a one-score game. It was the worst weekend of NFL football since 1970.
That's 55 years.

Speaker 1 Then Thursday night goes the way that it goes and all of a sudden you're kind of shit talking the NFL offices. Uh-oh,

Speaker 1 you guys might have lost it. First time in 55 years now, are you guys going to go back to back?

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Oh, no.
Are you guys turning into soccer? Oh, no. Oh, no.
Is that what's happening to the NFL? And then all of a sudden, the NFL calls back and says, we up, baby. What a week.
What a slate.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Bengals Bears. Now this one was absolute insanity.
Let's head right to an on-side kick here. 41, 35.
The Bengals had just scored to make this a one-score game. Need an on-side kick.

Speaker 1 McPherson goes to bend one back. It's not going to go 10 yards.
Ah, it doesn't matter. Touches the foot of a Bears player.
Bengals recover. Joey Flack has a chance to bring him back.

Speaker 1 back because this guy gave a toe

Speaker 1 tattle to the ball Bengals rock. Joey Flack's got it now.
Hold on. Everybody understands what's about to take place.
Joey Flack walks him down the field. Maybe too fast.

Speaker 1 Maybe too fast. Delivers an absolute seed to Andre Yosivash.
Incredibly cool tatted man. P.
Higgins had massive game. Jamar, massive.
Chase Brown, massive. Yossivash, massive game.
No puns.

Speaker 1 This team, unstoppable. Nope, I don't think so.
You can't give Caleb Williams 50 seconds in one timeout. Caleb marches down the field.

Speaker 1 Third and 10, we pick up on his own 28, scrambling, doing some Caleb shit. This man walked in to the NFL with the ability to electrify.
People were calling him maybe the next Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Had we seen it yet? No. Here he picks up a huge first down, continues to drive.
Now on zone 42, first and 10, 25 seconds left. No timeouts.
We just spent it. What's he going to do with it?

Speaker 1 Oh, how about the first tight end drafted? Cost and Lovelin over the middle. One tackler, two tackler, no tacklers gone.

Speaker 1 Colston Lovillin scores a game-winning touchdown after nobody decides to cover him or tackle him in the most important part of the game.

Speaker 1 The final minute of the fourth quarter, and the Chicago Bears steal a dub in Cincinnati away from Joey Flack and the Bengals.

Speaker 1 What a drive by Caleb Williams. Now, a lot of people are going to say that Bengals defense is ass.
Oh, man, certainly. A lot.

Speaker 1 A lot of guys on on that defense saying,

Speaker 1 for the love of God, can you get me out of here? Yeah, there are.

Speaker 1 Four guys in the last six months who trade me, trade me. Okay, not happening a lot.
Normally, it's like agents and teams behind the scenes having conversations. Now it's being made public.

Speaker 1 Boom, get me the hell out of town. Boom, get me the hell out of town.
Boom, I'm not signing this contract.

Speaker 1 That's kind of how it's been for the Bengals on defensive side, let alone with Trey Hendrickson, whenever this whole thing started, draft Super Bowl Radio Row.

Speaker 1 I mean, here in the history of the NFL, allowing 160 on the ground and 260 through the sky. One of those or the other is going to be a glaring weakness.
People are going to attack it.

Speaker 1 Well, the Bengals defense says, actually, we'll do both.

Speaker 1 Let's go ahead and let them do both.

Speaker 1 Hey, you have it your way around here.

Speaker 1 You can have it your way. You want to go on the ground, be the fucking best in the league.
You got it. You want to go through the sky, be the best in the league? You got it.

Speaker 1 And it's almost as if this was predictable.

Speaker 1 Was this predictable?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 4 interesting.

Speaker 1 The whole conversation in the offseason was you pay two number ones, which they are. Yes, very good.
If T. Higgins would have went to another team to be their number one, he would be

Speaker 1 by far the number one. And Jamar, same exact.
For sure. Unbelievable.
Pay Joey Burrow. Now he's hurt.
Got Joe Flacco. Good news.
Yeah. He'd come here and kind of do the same thing.

Speaker 1 He's absolutely crushing it. Pay him.
Okay. Can you win like that? Everybody was saying going into the year? Everybody was saying your defense wasn't good.
What'd you do on that side?

Speaker 1 He said, we got a new DC.

Speaker 1 Has a guy really ever done. We got a new DC.
See how good another Pennsylvance was last year? Good natty. Has he ever, we got a new DC? Don't worry about it.
And they've just been ass.

Speaker 1 And everybody that saw the way they built their team going into the season says, yeah, it's almost as if every football person told you that's not how you can actually win football games in football, especially in 2025 when the Eagles just proved that what you need to do is run the ball, stop the run.

Speaker 1 And the Bengla said, we'll be able to throw it, though. A lot.

Speaker 1 And we might not be able to stop the run or the pass, which is what stats are saying. But that defensive side was glaring weakness going into season.

Speaker 1 And now it's turning into kind of biting him in the ass. And on that note, Caleb Williams, okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Can't leave Caleb that much time. No,

Speaker 1 can't leave Caleb that much time. Because he has the number, the first tight end drafted right there down the middle.
Good for Colson Lovely. Oh, yeah.
Big day. Big day for Colson Lovely.

Speaker 1 Especially videos coming out of training camp.

Speaker 1 You know, where he's singing them boys going crazy. Then in the locker room, as soon as he gets game ball, I don't know if you saw the defense.
Everybody went crazy for him.

Speaker 1 It's like, wow, they love this guy in there. It is very cool.
That's a good culture-building win for the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 2 Yeah, not to mention Ben Johnson's

Speaker 2 finding the five in his pocket.

Speaker 1 That was incredible.

Speaker 2 I mean, you talk about coaches that have a sense of humor. After a victory, Ben Johnson, one of one, knocked that out of the park.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we like, and I appreciate the fact that he's super intense. Yes.
And the boys know that. So in a couple moments in the post-game speech, Ben Johnson, his delivery pretty intense.

Speaker 1 Boys know it's a lighting, lightful mode. So you go, hey, yeah, yeah.
A lot of those from the boys there, you know, kind of keeping it light. Feels like they have built their culture.

Speaker 1 At the beginning, this was what appeared to be a train wreck. It wasn't going to work.
His mindset, Caleb's mindset, the buildings' mindset. This isn't going to work.

Speaker 1 And all anybody wondered is, how is this guy the bell of the ball for coaching? And why would he go to Chicago? It feels like the complete opposite of what he would want.

Speaker 1 How is this ever going to work? And here they are. It's working.
Yeah. Congrats to Chicago Bears making a great play.
Now, huge win over the Bengals.

Speaker 1 That was just one of the incredible finishes around the NFL. Let's go to the Panthers.
Upsetting the Packers. 7-6,

Speaker 1 third quarter. Ass game to watch.
Rico, Dowdell. The Rico X says, hold on.
Only two. Only two.

Speaker 1 One. Ooh.
Two. All right, that's good.

Speaker 2 No worries, right?

Speaker 1 Turn the sound on, please.

Speaker 1 The ref said actually

Speaker 1 personal foul.

Speaker 1 Super unsportsman.

Speaker 1 15 yards. They backed that extra point up.
15. They missed that extra point.
Okay, so all of a sudden the double pump actually starts affecting oh

Speaker 1 oh no i thought that was okay well key and pee said it was okay i don't know if this said nfl ref said it was okay we all believed that two was good three way too much these refs said one two we want none come on okay we want none of the hip thrust nonetheless 1313 packers are able to make it a tie ball game let's go to bryce young second and 10 118 left in the fourth quarter when bryce was coming out into the nfl draft they said this dude's a Steth Curry of this draft, an absolute steal.

Speaker 1 Well, he finds the Irish Ooze, Tenerille McMillan, wide-ass open, good first down. Let's go to second and 10 now.
Later, give it to Rico Dowdell. This dude is unstoppable.

Speaker 1 Ty might be the best player to ever play football.

Speaker 3 Yeah, certainly the best player in the NFL this year by far. But yes, I think you could argue he's the best football player of all time.

Speaker 1 So they find themselves into field goal territory. Ryan Fitzgerald from 49.

Speaker 1 Give me that. 48 was the extra point that he missed earlier.
49 was the game winner. And the Carolina Panthers beat the Green Bay Packers in a walkoff in Lambeau.
What a moment. What a time.

Speaker 1 And Ty, the Panthers are a good football team.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, they dominated this game, or controlled it. Dominated, I guess, is one way of saying it because it was a one-score game and it took a field goal to beat them.

Speaker 3 But I think the Packers only had three possessions in the first half. They just knew exactly what they needed to do to win.
They knew it was potentially going to come down to a field goal.

Speaker 3 And on the flip side, you know, the Packers, once again, special teams kind of kills them, whereas special teams could have killed the Panthers. But what a kick by rookie Ryan Fitzgerald.

Speaker 3 It was massive. And when he was lining up for it, every Packers fan knew there was a 0% chance that he was going to miss that.

Speaker 1 Let's go to the next game in the NFC North. Vikings, Detroit Lions, fourth quarter, 141.
Lions only have one timeout. First down wins it.
JJ McCarthy in a bucket to Naylor.

Speaker 1 JJ scored a touchdown on the ground. He threw a couple.
JJ had some inaccurate passes where he missed like by 10 yards. And then whenever the moment's the biggest, JJ walks in and makes a play.

Speaker 1 His teammates love him. Okay.
All the way back from high school. IMG, they loved him.
College at Michigan, they loved him. And in Minnesota, they love him.
He comes into the locker room.

Speaker 1 Boys go crazy. I think his leadership is one of the aspects of him that makes everybody say he is the guy in Minnesota.
I think he acts like a guy. They treat him like a guy.

Speaker 1 And on the field, he's able to win these games. And he has so much,

Speaker 1 so much up and to the right. I mean, if he takes the trajectory Josh Allen took in the offseason, and I know we're comparing a lot of people to Josh Allen, and we saw Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what you want.

Speaker 1 That is what you're looking for. But if he takes the trajectory of Josh Allen in these offseasons, it gets more accurate.

Speaker 1 If he's able to get a little bit more accurate, especially with his leadership and his work ethic that everybody says, if he's able to stay healthy, it's like JJ,

Speaker 1 hey, all of a sudden you start looking at that draft class and it's like, holy shit.

Speaker 1 That might be the best draft class of all time.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, come in.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and he is a sicko.

Speaker 2 Like when Kevin O'Connell's giving him the game ball after in the locker room, like after they walk it and everything, like him losing his mind before getting the game ball, awesome.

Speaker 2 The team reacting to him doing that was really cool. And just him living up to the moment.
Like how many times in the last two years have teams gone into Detroit and beaten them?

Speaker 2 Like we talked about the Lions being 13 and three in primetime games since the MCDC era has started. Like typically the Lions rise to the occasion.

Speaker 2 The fact that they did it, especially since we were kind of, at least I was kind of talking a bit of junk about him not playing last week when Carl Wentz had a baby on the way and one arm.

Speaker 2 Like for him to show up like that was incredible.

Speaker 1 27-24, 27 points against the Detroit Lions team. Now, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't the prettiest.
There was some blocked kick. There was a block kick.
There was a turnover. You get it.

Speaker 1 There was good field position. But J.J.
McCarthy and Minnesota get a win over the Detroit Lions, which is crazy to think about, especially to your point, Connor, about the convo by J.J.

Speaker 1 Here's a little stat from Hembo here. Nine plus point underdogs this season.
Weeks one through eight, they were 0-10. Week nine, they were two and two.

Speaker 1 Carolina and Minnesota netted the two largest upsets of the season just yesterday. Congrats to the Panthers.
Damn good football team. Damn good football team.
JJ McCarthy might be a for real NFL dude.

Speaker 1 Seems like every moment he needs to step in. He does congrats to the Vikings for them.
And then the Jags and the Raiders go to overtime. Trevor Lawrence scores a touchdown on their first drive.

Speaker 1 So that's a big deal. Congratulations to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
They kick an extra point. They scored on their first drive.
They're up seven. Now the Raiders get a chance to answer.
They go down.

Speaker 1 Are they going to be able to score? 19 seconds left in overtime. They score a touchdown.
Down one. Could opt to kick the extra point.
They say for the good of football, we're going for two.

Speaker 1 We love that move. Ultimately, it gives them a loss, though instead of having a one at the end raiders decide to go for two pete carroll say

Speaker 1 that was he was open

Speaker 1 for the good of ball they went for two and to that we say thank you raiders thank you no more ties and congrats to the jacksonville jaguars not only a huge win but also cam little this kicker out of arkansas drafted last year in the sixth round has hit a 68 yard field goal in a regulation football game.

Speaker 1 He hit from 70 in preseason. And this dude Little hits big ass balls.
I mean, he is so incredibly impressive.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he had to drive it a little bit, they say, for the side angle. Didn't get blocked.
Wasn't even close-kind blocked. A lot of guys had their arms up, obviously, from 68.

Speaker 1 That thing would have been good from 71, 72 yards. Unbelievable kick.
And obviously, we talk about Aubrey a lot. Cam Little hits massive balls.
I mean, this dude just murders.

Speaker 1 balls in the new K-ball institution that we're in right now. Guys are hitting these long balls at a more accurate clip than they ever have.
Guys are also attempting it more than they ever have before.

Speaker 1 And for those that are sleeping under a rock and maybe don't know this, the kickers are allowed to bring the balls to the game now.

Speaker 1 Used to come out of a box, have a 30-minute like session on when you're allowed to break it down. So it was a little beat up, but it wasn't too beat up.

Speaker 1 Now, just like quarterbacks, kickers are allowed to bring their own balls, have to pass an inspection for how hard it is, obviously the amount of pressure in there and then what it looks like.

Speaker 1 And then guys now have gone seven for 11 from 60 push.

Speaker 1 And a 68 yard field goal has been hit. And everybody's just assuming that a 70 yarder is on the the way.

Speaker 1 So right now, Cam Little has the record, but I think for the first time in the history of ball, it's not safe. Oh, yeah.
I do not think it's safe, especially if you get a situation at the end of half.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go to the number four headline is we got 132 left, and we're through the first headline here. Injuries, we don't like them.
No, we don't. At all.

Speaker 4 Hate them, actually.

Speaker 1 We despise them.

Speaker 2 Trying to get rid of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Multiple times.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Multiple times.
Joe Alt, obviously, legend for that Chargers team. The way they play with him and without him, a little bit different.
He leaves the game with an ankle.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter last Friday was listed on the IR after getting hurt in Thursday's practice with a knee. Obviously, T's and P's to all these dudes.

Speaker 1 We're pulling for him, but these are electrifying, very important players on that note. Jaden Daniels last night, up 38-7.

Speaker 1 It dislocates his elbow, it appears, and who knows what else whenever it comes out of testing.

Speaker 1 But that was nasty, especially for a guy that is as important to the game of football in the NFL right now as he is. Jaymen is a big deal

Speaker 1 for football. We all like the way he plays.
We all love watching them. They obviously didn't play their best game.
They're down by a lot. He's on the field.
Why is he on the field?

Speaker 1 If he's not on the field, though, people say he's not going down with the ship. He ends up getting hurt.
Don't love to see that.

Speaker 1 Tucker Kraft, we were just singing his praises literally last week for taking over a game. He exits with a knee.
And then obviously, CJ Stroud got a concussion as well.

Speaker 1 Marshawn Lattimore and Luke McCaffrey, both from the Commanders, also get hurt. Broken collarbone for Luke.
Lattimore has a knee. Michael Hoyt, Bill's linebacker out.
Michael Williams for the 49.

Speaker 1 I mean, just

Speaker 1 this was a week that was a lot. A lot of big names, a lot of injuries.
And

Speaker 1 we all, we hate them. Hate them.
Two words. Hate them.
All right, now we have three more headlines still to go.

Speaker 1 Let's go to number three headline. The NFC West is a problem.

Speaker 1 Listen, now, obviously, tonight the Cardinals will play against the Cowboys. They have a losing record.
Let's leave them out of this particular conversation. Even though, hey, a lot of football left.

Speaker 1 That's right. A lot of football left.
Who knows what they're going to have to do? Matthew Stafford's number four right now in the MVP conversation. Okay, Matthew Stafford currently.

Speaker 1 Odds are fourth to win the MVP.

Speaker 1 Puka Nakua's back. Okay, Puka Nakua scoring touchdowns.
Puka Nakua actually commented in our Instagram through one of his numerous highlights that were posted.

Speaker 1 And he said, just trying to be good enough to get back on the program, Ooz.

Speaker 1 And we'd like to let you you know puka you're welcome anytime what a perfect superstar for los angeles puka nakua is he's a dog he's tough and he's got a quarterback thrown to him that isn't scared to break nfl records if you look at the wide receivers with the best seasons throughout the history of the nfl you're going to see the quarterback matthew stafford next to the guys that are doing that he's a special talent he and i were drafted in the same year he was number one overall got like 175 million guaranteed i was drafted number 222 i got 47 000 which wasn't enough to pay off the cadillac escalate okay so it's a little different life.

Speaker 1 But what he has been able to accomplish, especially with Kershaw, his high school team, or

Speaker 1 whatever it is, on the baseball team just wins his last World Series. The fact that Stafford looks the way he looks and is still doing what he's doing, insane.

Speaker 1 And then Devontae Adams, the amount of touchdowns that he has that are in close distance. So, you know, the Eagles are doing the tush-push whenever they're down there.
You know what the Rams do?

Speaker 1 They do Devontae, get open. And Matthew Stafford is just delivering him.
Distance of each touchdown in last two year. Three yards, four yards, two yards, one yard, one yard.
Unguardable.

Speaker 1 Remember, all anybody talks about is his getoff. He doesn't even have to use his hands.
He's able to shake everybody. They used to do this with Gronk, the Patriots.

Speaker 1 Anytime they were down in the red zone, let's go ahead and get Gronk one-on-one. And then you got a two-way go, three-way go, whatever the hell you want to do, Gronk, we're just going to wait on it.

Speaker 1 Right now, they got Devontae one-on-one down here, and they have to do that because they got Puka and other weapons.

Speaker 1 Devontae, always the number one, normally going to have two people on him, especially in the red zone area. Now, with where he is on that roster, Devontae's getting one-on-ones down there.

Speaker 1 And all you got to do is just let Devontae cook, cook, basically, and Stafford's just waiting on him. Offensive line has to be able to block for half a second, not even.

Speaker 1 As soon as Devontae's loose, we get it. And it's an easy go.

Speaker 1 Brilliant by Sean McVay. And if you cover him, Devontae, it's like, we got Puka over here on the other side.
And we'll see how it all goes. So, I mean, the NFC West, not only Niners get a huge.

Speaker 1 San Francisco 49ers of Mac Jones. Mac Jones playing really good.
Yeah. Now, their defense, obviously, very dinged up.

Speaker 1 We have no idea what the defense is going to be able to be long term and also trade deadline tomorrow.

Speaker 1 The San Francisco 49ers are always a pretty active squad whenever it comes to making moves to try to better their team. And this Mac Jones, Christian McCaffrey, obviously otherworldly, otherworldly.

Speaker 1 Okay. I saw Jackson Dart run one in.
I saw a couple touchdowns for this Giants team. And obviously this Giants team looks different now than he did just a few weeks ago with the loss of Scataboo.

Speaker 1 And obviously the Niners look different now than they did a few weeks ago with the loss of Fred Warner and everybody else.

Speaker 1 But Mac Jones playing quarterback looks more than capable to be leading this San Francisco 49ers team. And they get a huge win against the New York Giants, Tone Diggs.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Mac has looked incredible stepping in for Brock Purdy.

Speaker 4 Like to have him as their backup in this situation to get them to six and three, like no, like if you would have looked at all their injuries, so like if you would have put that, hey, Ninja's going to lose all these people, Mac's going to be the quarterback.

Speaker 4 What's their record? We never would have given him 6-3.

Speaker 1 At all. And here's the Giants' defense to that point.
Last two games, week eight versus Aquino, he had 18 touches, 174 yards and two touchdowns. Week nine, Christian McCaffrey, 33 touches.

Speaker 1 He's the guy, 173 yards and two touchdowns. Giants defense need to figure out how the hell they're going to cover a running back.

Speaker 1 We need a linebacker that can run, it sounds like, is what we're looking for in New York. Trade deadline day.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Maybe some buyers at the trade deadline.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't think we're going to be buyers, but it was like we didn't know Chris McCaffrey was on the 49ers.

Speaker 4 Just a complete embarrassment.

Speaker 1 That's the life of a Giants fan living alongside Bruce. And then obviously last night was just a show of the NFC West.
The Seahawks team is a problem. Across the board.
They're wagon, dude.

Speaker 1 Leonard Williams is, what, six foot foot nine? Did you see him running? So big. He chased down Jaden Daniels last night.
And I was just like, there's no way that's Leonard Williams.

Speaker 1 Leonard Williams has been around a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he looks phenomenal. Had no idea he's spear fishing.
Okay. They're saying he's going down for five minutes at a time.

Speaker 1 This guy could hold his breath for five minutes as he's free water fishing out there. Held a tuna the size of him up on the screen.
This is how they're filling time.

Speaker 1 Like, Leonard Williams is a fisherman, a free diving fisherman. I think they said 80 feet, five minutes holding his breath.

Speaker 1 crazy. I think they said on Leonard Williams.
Pressure. Absolutely.
Yeah. Well, I think Collinsworth said, I scuba dive down there.

Speaker 1 I never, you know, and he said, even that is obviously a little scary. Couldn't imagine going down there without a tank.
But on that note, they got talent everywhere. They got dogs everywhere.

Speaker 1 Them talking about how Jackson Smith and Jigwa this offseason said, I want to be the best wide receiver in football. And McDonald's said, well, you got to, this is how we work.

Speaker 1 And then him just buying in and doing it. Sam Darnold, this guy was let out of the building, obviously, in Minnesota.
I think it's because J.J. McCarthy's leadership abilities.

Speaker 1 I genuinely believe that. I think there's two alphas in the building.

Speaker 1 Everybody's like, well, why don't you let JJ kind of watch somebody? I think JJ's pretty big alpha.

Speaker 1 I think JJ is a alpha personality, at least, and leader, and kind of everybody gravitates towards him. So I think it would be tough to kind of have a starter in there with him.

Speaker 1 So Sam Darnold heading to Seattle, what a move for them. And they're special.
Always winning on the road. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Always winning on the road. And

Speaker 1 I like the cut of their jib out there a lot. And we all know Seattle, especially if their fans are all in, which it feels like they are and should be, is impossible to play at.

Speaker 1 This Seahawks team is very special.

Speaker 2 Well, and very cool for Mike McDaniel and the Seahawks to like be good last year and then make McDonald, excuse me, be good last year and then make a change.

Speaker 2 Like Geno Smith and the Seattle Seahawks with DK, they were good. And then instead of kind of just riding that out, see what happens, they say, hey, look, Sam Darnold's better.

Speaker 2 Jackson Smith and Jigba, he needs to get the ball more.

Speaker 2 I mean, Sam Darnold threw two touchdowns to a guy named Tori Horton I get it I probably should have known who that guy was I did it going into the game touchdown parlay builder they're horrible

Speaker 2 if not to mention the the third string tight end he threw a touchdown to number 82 Wilson no idea who that is either because they got a touchdown parlay builder it would have been it would have been dynamic uh but I mean Arroyo here A.J.

Speaker 2 Barner Jackson Smith and Jigba Jackson Smith and Jigba didn't even score and they still put up 38 points the Seattle Seattle Seahawks are awesome to watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Commanders fans said they're being an elementary team.

Speaker 1 They're being an elementary team. And here's a guy that Connor was talking about.
White, excuse me, not Wilson. I'm sorry.
Mr. White had a W in.
Wilson, what? Steelers actually cut him. There it is.

Speaker 4 What's that? Steelers actually cut him this year.

Speaker 1 Mr. White? Yeah.
Okay, so he looks like he's found a good home out there in Seattle then. Congrats to the Seahawks and the NFC West.

Speaker 1 We'll see the Cardinals tonight as they take on, obviously, the Dallas Cowboys. Let's go to the number two headline from the weekend.
The Bills beat down the Chiefs. Okay.

Speaker 1 And everybody's going to say, well, the Bills, they beat the Chiefs again in regular seasons. You can't beat them with Bussies.
Well, it's like, well, what are the Bills supposed to do?

Speaker 1 Lose in a regular season?

Speaker 1 It's much better to win than it is to lose in these games. And if you watch the way this game went, boy, that Bills team beat the hell out of Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 I mean, there was like, there was a string there of three, four straight plays where Patrick was just taking huge shots, huge shots, huge shots.

Speaker 1 It's like this Bills team has a little bit of a different attitude, maybe. They seem to be the ones that want to be the aggressors.
They're the ones that want to be tougher. They They beat down the

Speaker 1 Kansas City Chiefs. I think that is a little bit alarming if you're a Kansas City Chiefs fan.
And also, if you're a Buffalo Bills fan, it's like, hey, hold on now.

Speaker 1 We got a little bit of an edge, feels like this team has. You got Josh Allen, obviously, on the offensive side, so you're going to be great on the offensive side of the ball, you would assume.

Speaker 1 Defense thumping this Kansas City Chiefs team as much as they did and obviously making plays all over the place and getting a huge win. Great for the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 3 Yeah, great for the Buffalo Bills. But like you were saying, if you're a Chiefs fan, you're just holding your breath every single time you're watching Mahomes play now.

Speaker 3 We've talked about it the last couple weeks about him running the ball and kind of get smacked around more.

Speaker 3 It's like, you know, obviously this game isn't the end-all-be-all for them because there is a good chance they see each other in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 But boy, they Patrick Mahomes needs to take care of himself. We can't have that guy getting hurt and missing a good chunk of time over the next couple weeks.

Speaker 1 Here's some Hembo stats out of the Bills-Chiefs game. Patrick Mahomes aversed this Bills defense, 44% completion percentage, which is career low.

Speaker 1 I think he had to go back to college since he had a completion percentage below 50%.

Speaker 1 13.1 average depth of target is his career high. Nobody was getting up.
He's kind of throwing him. He threw for 444 air yards and 69 yak.
Nothing easy underneath, says Hembo.

Speaker 1 A little anecdote, he says. And they hit him a career high 15 times.

Speaker 1 Flawless plan and execution from the Buffalo Bills defense, says Hembo. They literally beat him down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and they had Ed Oliver out. You know, their best defensive lineman, highest paid defensive lineman wasn't even playing.
And they had that, all that pressure is awesome.

Speaker 1 Good for the Bills. Maybe this is the year.
Could be.

Speaker 1 Hey, maybe this is the year for the buffalo bills good to see a bosa cooking out there and then number one headline from the weekend is turn back the clocks an hour yeah right about 11 years hell yeah look at the amc leaders colts patriots broncos steelers that's 2025 let's go back 2014 shall we boom who's up there damn old school tradition 11 years ago now did i choose to take this angle for the number one headline so that i could show go back 2025 please boom the colts still number one let's make sure we understand that okay let's make sure we understand that tough loss to the pittsburgh steelers great good team but pittsburgh steelers currently leading the afc north which is why they're seeded in fourth although others might have a couple more wins than them including the buffalo bills who are six and two who have already had their buy new england patriots lead the afc east the denver broncos lead the afc west and the pittsburgh steelers and indianapolis colts got the north and the south respectively it's like this is old school football all of a sudden and this broncos team hey dude denver Broncos are a real deal.

Speaker 1 Going into the season, the Broncos were some Super Bowl favorites, some Super Bowl,

Speaker 1 what's it called? Whenever you're like,

Speaker 1 people love you. Darlings, Super Bowl darlings by a lot of fans.
And the Denver Broncos get a huge win over the Houston Texans down to Houston with a walk-off from Will Lutz.

Speaker 1 And there was a moment before this kick between Sean Payton, head coach of the Broncos, and Will Lutz. Hey,

Speaker 1 right through.

Speaker 1 Man, a little smile. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 I love everything about it because you have to think to yourself, hey, the head coach has got to really get along with the kicker if this is what he's saying to him right before.

Speaker 1 A little bit of a violent motion. Don't know exactly what he said.
Just say, hey, Will. Hey, look at me.

Speaker 1 Fucking, yeah. We need to make this one.

Speaker 1 We need to make this one. Will Lutz makes the kick.
Will Lutz now. Under Sean Payton because he was with him at the New Orleans Saints.
Sean Payton brings him up to Denver.

Speaker 1 Sean Payton and Will love it. 14 of 16 in clutch field goals under Sean Payton.
It's all the way back to the Saints. Pretty good.

Speaker 1 Game Tiger go-head field goals in the final two minutes of regulation plus OT.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think Sean Payton has a lot of faith, and he's just reminding Will, hey, you're going out there to make this thing. Let's remember that.
Smile. Will says you got it.

Speaker 1 Broncos back in a position where it's like, wait, is this the Broncos team that we all thought it was going to be? Is this the Broncos team that can go win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Sean Payton has been able to do it in the past. Can he do it again, rebuilding it in his own image? Crazy to think about in Denver.

Speaker 2 And the top four is incredible, but if you were to go back to 2014 and look at those top four teams, the wildcard teams are nowhere near how good the wildcard teams are now.

Speaker 2 You know, you're looking at that and you're damn near worried if you're the two-seed or the three-seed or the four-seed just because, hey, Chiefs are there, Bills are there, Chargers are there.

Speaker 2 Like, there are a lot of really, let alone the Ravens, if they continue to play well, like the buy this year might be the most important buy the AFC has had in a long time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I, uh, and then who's already out of it? You know, who's out of it that we think might be in it? You know, there's some teams that might not be able to catch some of these teams.

Speaker 1 I'll be fascinated to see how the AFC falls. And also,

Speaker 1 congratulations to the Steelers and the Patriots. And the Colts.
And the Colts. Tough one for me to be able to celebrate the Colts, but still number one in the AFC out here.

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Nothing stops a Ram truck. No, it doesn't.
Hey, ride high, ride comfortable, ride style, ride with grit, ride with Ram.

Speaker 3 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's a tagline. You should be.
Yeah, it's not bad.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, a man who might be able to fill in some gaps that we might have missed, especially on the injury conversation in which there was a lot of superstars injured yesterday.

Speaker 1 Insider for the NFL at ESPN. Also, a Michigan man, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Shefty.

Speaker 1 Shefty, how you doing, brother?

Speaker 5 Going on there, Pat. How you doing?

Speaker 1 I'm great. Thank you for joining us.
Obviously, huge one between the Cardinals and the Cowboys tonight. We'll chit-chat about that a little bit later.

Speaker 1 Through the first 15, one of our headlines was the injuries. Feels like this was the worst weekend around the NFL.
And today's a day where we're waiting on scans.

Speaker 1 Is that kind of how this normally works out, Shefty?

Speaker 5 Well, there have been some bad weeks in the NFL. This is another one of them.
Obviously, you have Jaden Daniels last night.

Speaker 5 That was really troubling to see and watch and see him be escorted off the field with his left arm and a brace. Look, here's the deal.
He's having the MRI today.

Speaker 5 It's dislocated his elbow. I mean, it's not going to be any different in the result there.
And he's going to be out indefinitely. So

Speaker 5 Washington would have to keep alive its season and turned it around at three and six for him to have a chance to come back. And

Speaker 5 I would think it's safe to assume that Washington is going to be, moving forward, extraordinarily careful about when it puts back in Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 5 And so if they're not winning here in the weeks to come, then I think there's a real chance that we've seen the last of Jaden Daniels this season. I think that's in the realm of possibility.

Speaker 5 He's indefinitely. It's possible his season is over.
The whole thing was troubling. You never want to see a player like that go down.

Speaker 5 You never want to see a player like that go down midway through the fourth quarter, down 31 points.

Speaker 5 That franchise has been through that before,

Speaker 5 and it just, it's unfortunate the way the whole thing unfolded.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 And watching a long live at the time, because I couldn't fall asleep, because I guess I'm just a sicko

Speaker 1 listening to Tarico and Collinsworth try to fill time was certainly something I was enjoying while I was watching it. And then you see that injury happening.
It's like, oh, that's nasty, nasty.

Speaker 1 And then this morning, I saw they were blurring it out. on Sports Center.
That's how nasty it was. So obviously, the future of the franchise, they're going to be careful with.
We respect that.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about some of the other injuries that took place. Obviously, Tucker Kraft had a knee.

Speaker 1 Joe alt had a knee uh travel or an ankle travis hunter had a knee in practice do we know anything on or any updates on any of those particular guys tucker craft the test came back today torn acl confirmed out for the season just brutal um

Speaker 5 dude he just took over the nfl last week fuck man by the way i i i do think this is tucker craft's 25th birthday today so jordan love

Speaker 5 yeah jordan love had an awful 27th birthday yesterday yesterday. Tucker Kraft had an awful 25th birthday today.
They're in a lot of bad birthday celebrations here with the Packers.

Speaker 5 And Tucker Kraft had developed into, you could argue, maybe the best tight end in the game right now. Coming off a huge game against the Pittsburgh Steelers have been unbelievable.

Speaker 5 He's not only is he a great receiver, but

Speaker 5 He's a great blocker. He's a vital part of that offense.
You see the numbers right there. Jordan Love targeting tucker craft is off the charts that target is now taken away so

Speaker 5 i mean it's a tough one um

Speaker 5 i guess you're gonna have musgrave try to step up uh i i wouldn't think that they'll try to do anything at the trade deadline but

Speaker 1 just a bad bad injury yeah sucks jaden daniels all these suck by the way because they're all superstars which is something to think about joe alt ankle and travis hunter would be

Speaker 1 the two from that particular. Travis Hunter came out of practice.
He's on IR. They said his ACO was intact.
That means they were scared it was an ACO, it sounds like.

Speaker 1 Putting him on IR is just to make sure he's 100%. Or what are you hearing out of there, the news that dropped on Friday from Thursday's practice?

Speaker 5 Well, first of all, Travis Hunter is somebody that doesn't miss time. So when he goes down and he's out for four weeks,

Speaker 5 minimum, That tells you it's not great. And I think it's going to be, my sense is it's going to be beyond that.

Speaker 5 It's going to be, as I was told, it's going to be quote unquote a while before Travis Hunter comes back.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 7 And yeah.

Speaker 5 And Jacksonville has been winning. And as long as they stay alive, I think we could see Travis Hunter again later this season.
But I put this a little bit in the Jaden Daniels category.

Speaker 5 You're going to be careful with this guy.

Speaker 7 And if,

Speaker 5 I mean, they're in the playoff race right now, and they're doing a great job. But if they're not, you're not going to rush this guy back.
You're going to be careful.

Speaker 5 And so I think it'll be a little while before we see Travis Hunter again this season. Um, I don't know exactly when, but as I was told over the weekend, it's going to be a while.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter, we will miss you, brother, especially in this time where, you know, a lot of growth can still happen for Travis Hunter on both sides of the ball. We'll miss him.
Joe Alt with an ankle.

Speaker 1 We know what the Chargers are with Joe Alt. Obviously, the stats were a little bit

Speaker 1 polar whenever it was with Joe Alt, without Joe Walt.

Speaker 1 What should we be thinking here with Joe Walt as you look ahead?

Speaker 5 Well, I go back and look. He hurt his ankle in week two, I believe it was, or when was it against the Giants? When did the Chargers play the Giants? What week was that?

Speaker 5 Is that week two, three, whatever it was, because Neighbors tore his ACL in that game.

Speaker 5 And before Neighbors went down, Joe Alt basically was carted off in that game with a high ankle sprain to the same ankle.

Speaker 5 He rested it, rehabbed it, and was able to come back weeks later.

Speaker 5 This time, my understanding is he's going to have to have a surgical procedure done

Speaker 5 to help stabilize the ankle. So whatever he missed last time, and I'd have to go look it up, I would think he's going to miss more time now.
I'm going to guess he missed about four or five weeks.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 again,

Speaker 5 probably, hopefully, maybe later this season, maybe.

Speaker 1 Tough game, dude. Tough game.
Football is a tough game.

Speaker 1 It's so hard to win. That's why like the Patriots winning for 20 plus years is so crazy to think about because because you lose a couple of your pillar guys, which is happening here around the league.

Speaker 1 We're literally just talking about it. You lose a couple of these pillar guys.
All of a sudden, your team looks vastly different. And it's like, are we even built to win without this person?

Speaker 1 And it's like, no. It changes everything.
Some of these injuries.

Speaker 5 I mean, they're a guy like Mikel Williams for the 49ers, their first-round drip. Nick Bosa.

Speaker 5 They lose Fred Warner to season-ending injuries. Now you're counting on your first-round pick.
He tears his ATL yesterday.

Speaker 7 Like,

Speaker 5 I mean, it is, it's,

Speaker 5 you know, where do the Chargers go get an offensive tackle now? It's not these guys, you can't find them. You can't find them.

Speaker 5 Where do the Niners, I mean, the Niners, maybe, maybe they can go trade for some kind of edge, maybe, but

Speaker 5 it's brutal. It's so hard to try to replace that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's impossible. Yeah, the injury thing is just crazy.
It is. It's a guarantee that it's going to happen.
Who is it?

Speaker 1 Is that going to decide whether or not it kind of sends your entire season off course? So we got a couple trade now. Trade deadline tomorrow, 4 p.m.
Eastern time. Conman has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Chef G, it's interesting, too. Three of those players you just named got hurt on MetLife Stadium again.
That's been a convo going over the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 But looking at Washington, if Jaden Daniels is kind of going to be shut down, do you expect them to move some of the

Speaker 2 mercenaries, if you will, that they traded for just for this year? Debo, he's on a one-year deal. Laramie Tunsell was acquired for picks.

Speaker 2 I don't know what his contract situation is, but do you see Washington maybe now becoming sellers then?

Speaker 5 It's a great question. It's an interesting point.
I would say this. They're probably not there yet mentally.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to tell you that that couldn't happen. It's funny.
I had a team say something like that to me this morning, but every team approaches this differently.

Speaker 5 And obviously, this is fresh in their building this morning. The loss last night, losing Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 5 I don't know how they'll react to it yet. You're not the first person to raise that issue today, but I don't have the answer to it, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 Okay, it's a pretty quick turnaround for them to have to make an entire franchise determining decision, but they have to because trade deadline's tomorrow. You saw the graphic up there.

Speaker 1 Any trade is possible.

Speaker 1 You know, because of things that have happened in the past. Now, obviously, trade deadline has some massive names like Marshawn Lynch ends up with Seattle.
Carson Palmer goes out to the Raiders.

Speaker 1 He gets traded. Minka Fitzpatrick gets traded.
Could he get traded again, maybe? Jalen Ramsey ends up with the Rams during trade deadline. Eric Dickerson, big trade during the deadline.

Speaker 1 Herschel Walker traded during the deadline. Randy Moss traded.

Speaker 1 Christian McCaffrey, remember, from the Panthers to the Niners in the middle of the season, then they say, yep, you're actually just going to take on the entire workload on the offensive side.

Speaker 1 I think he ran for a touchdown, threw a touchdown, and caught a touchdown like in his first game with the Niners immediately upon arrival. Then we have the possible buyers there.

Speaker 1 Now, obviously, any trade is possible. With the teams that are potentially on a little bit of a run, which is the possible buyers.
This is playoff hopes, playoff dreams, playoff aspirations.

Speaker 1 Are we one piece away, two pieces away? How active do you think everything is before tomorrow at four o'clock, Shefty?

Speaker 5 Well, Pat, over the last month leading up to tomorrow, we've already had 10 trades.

Speaker 1 10.

Speaker 5 So, my guess would be:

Speaker 5 if I had a guess, just random Darth or nobody knows the answer to this. Uh, we'll probably get three, four more by the deadline tomorrow, just a random guess.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 5 I I don't know.

Speaker 5 If you go back to last year,

Speaker 5 right at the end, the Commanders trade for Marshawn Lattimore in the middle of the day.

Speaker 5 There was another notable move. And then at the end, the Steelers traded for Preston Smith and the Jets traded for Mike Williams.

Speaker 5 And I think what happens, at least last year, right before the deadline, you see guys

Speaker 5 just

Speaker 5 kind of unload guys for whatever they can get back. Like, Dallas has Mozzie Smith.

Speaker 5 You know, will I be surprised if at 3.35 tomorrow, Mozzie Smith is traded to some team that is looking for somebody to play the? No, no.

Speaker 5 I don't know how many significant trades you're going to get between now and tomorrow. The Eagles trading for Jalen Phillips this morning, that would amount to a significant trade.

Speaker 5 They gave up a third-round draft pick. They reunite Jalen Phillips with Vic Fangio.
Jalen Phillips had great success with Vic Fangio until he tours Achilles in Miami. He's on an expiring contract.

Speaker 5 The Eagles gave up their own third-round draft pick. They still have the Jets' third-round draft pick from the Somraddick trade.

Speaker 5 That's a notable trade. I don't know that we're going to get much that's any more significant than that move this morning.
We might. We might.
Seattle is interesting. Seattle is interesting.

Speaker 1 Yes, they are. They're a problem, Chef.
They are very good at football.

Speaker 5 Pat,

Speaker 5 as my friend Brian Windhorse would say, something is going on in Seattle.

Speaker 1 Yep. Something is going on in Seattle.

Speaker 5 Seattle would be a team to watch.

Speaker 1 He said a lot.

Speaker 1 I think Seattle would be a fantastic team to get traded to. Now,

Speaker 1 it's far.

Speaker 1 Certainly. It's way over there.
So we don't really get a chance to talk about it as much as we should because of how far it is and remove everything.

Speaker 1 But boy, McDonald's got a team of dogs out there. And Sam Darnold has been flawless, seemingly.

Speaker 1 And Jackson Smith and Jigba wants to be and is in the conversation of the best wide receiver in the league. Good for Seattle.
Their defense, I feel like, with McDonald, just going to be good.

Speaker 1 Like that shift of what we have to expect going forward. And they could have a special season out there out of nowhere.
Nobody else was talking about.

Speaker 1 Obviously, their fans would say, we knew this was coming, but out of nowhere for the rest of us, Chef D.

Speaker 5 Well, well, let me say a couple things about this that really make it interesting.

Speaker 5 First of all, they move on from Geno Smith and get a quarterback who winds up being cheaper than Geno Smith, who has been more productive this season than Sam Darnold.

Speaker 5 And I can just tell you that they have been incredibly impressed with Sam Darnold from the moment he showed up there. Like leadership, talent, throws like that.

Speaker 5 It's been a home run.

Speaker 5 So they have him. They also have a lot of young talent that they're going to have to pay here.
in the future years. So they've got Jackson Smith and Jigba, who they're going to want to pay.

Speaker 5 They've got Charles Cross, they're left tackle, who they're going to want to pay. They've got Devin Witherspoon, who they're going to want to pay.

Speaker 5 So you can't pay everybody, which is why we're seeing the names Boyer Mafe and Rick Woolen come up at the deadline.

Speaker 5 My point is, if they do something with those guys,

Speaker 5 if they do something with those guys, I don't think that they would be isolated moves because they would be getting back compensation. They'd be freeing up capsule.

Speaker 5 I think that would give them more flexibility if anything happens. But by the way, nothing may happen.
Nothing may happen. They're rolling along.
They have the best record in the NFC.

Speaker 5 They may just decide to stand down and stand pat.

Speaker 5 But Seattle is interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Seattle is interesting. And would you want to trade away very good pieces when you're maybe in the middle of a Super Bowl run?

Speaker 1 That's a decision you have to make while you're trying to build your foundation. All right, couple minutes left here.
Let's hit another interesting situation. Go ahead, AP Tone.

Speaker 4 Yeah, very interesting chefty obviously the bangles lose in tremendous fashion yesterday and you see jamar chase in the tunnel talking about could we get one stop chase brown at his locker after the game can we get one stop it feels like they're that locker room is in a bad situation obviously they have the guys who are requesting trades on the defensive side can you give us any insight into the cincinnati bangles uh locker room right now and what may be going on just overall with that team

Speaker 5 well the good thing is they're on a bye week this week so they can't give up 40 points points again.

Speaker 1 They might.

Speaker 5 They've scored in the last two weeks 80 points. 80 points.

Speaker 5 And they're the first team since the 1966 New York Giants to score 80 points or at least 38 in back-to-back weeks and not win a game. 1966.
You know how long ago that was, Pat?

Speaker 5 That was the year I was born.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 39 years. You said how many 66? I couldn't hear because the leaf blower in the back.
It sounds like we're getting some.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're taking care of it. Hey, they're doing it.
Leaves are falling. We got good people out there, though.
Yeah, it's got those orange leaves down there. Some of the crinkly, crackly ones.

Speaker 1 Are you going to put it in a pile and go maybe do your little run-jump thing into them like, you know, we used to do back in the day? Put them in garbage bags, maybe go ahead and hit people with it.

Speaker 1 What's the plan with the leaves? Do you have any plan? Post.

Speaker 1 Do you have any plan coming out of there one or no?

Speaker 5 The fall foliage here in the northeast is wonderful, Pat.

Speaker 1 It's really beautiful.

Speaker 5 It's not as nice on the ground right now. And it's certainly not as nice when we're trying to go over trade, interesting trade possibly.

Speaker 1 Certainly.

Speaker 5 Honey, stop that.

Speaker 1 No, no, honey. You can do whatever the hell you want.
It's not going to be on us. Okay, trade, so we'll see how it all goes.
Cincinnati, though, fascinating situation.

Speaker 1 It feels like there's been a lot of requests. We assumed they would be sellers, but it's the Cincinnati Bengals.
Quickly, should we assume they'll be moving or no?

Speaker 5 Listen, I think there are certain players that would, like, Logan Wilson, why would you not trade him? You're not playing him. He wants out his contracts up.

Speaker 5 Like, there's no reason not to try to get a draft pick back for somebody that they get a pick for.

Speaker 5 By the way, Trey Hendrickson,

Speaker 5 if they traded him, if they traded him, and I'm not telling you they will,

Speaker 5 there were teams last week that were told they weren't, and people were wondering if they lost yesterday, which they did, would they reconsider and be willing to move off Trey Hendrickson?

Speaker 5 If they trade Trey, they could get back a pick and they could save millions upward over $10 million. Like, why would they not do that?

Speaker 1 $10 million?

Speaker 1 You would think the Bengals would make that move immediately. Come on over to Indy, Trey.
Okay, last question. You got a minute on this one.
Go ahead, Tom.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Shefty, what's the injury report looking for tonight? And also, we saw that Kyler Murray is not starting tonight, but he may have some sort of role with him not playing.

Speaker 3 Like, what does this mean for his future in Arizona potentially?

Speaker 5 Well, I think it's a question right now because Jacoby Brissette has played well, and even Rex Ryan this morning on GetUp said that he felt like the Cardinals offense operates better with Jacoby Brissett.

Speaker 5 It's not the first person to say that.

Speaker 5 And so that leads you to wonder, okay, if Jacoby Brissette keeps playing well, are they going to keep having him play quarterback or are they going to go back to Kyler?

Speaker 5 Look, and here's the other point to make here. Their general manager, Monty Osimfort, their head coach, general, their head coach, Jonathan, neither one of them drafted Kyler Murray.

Speaker 5 He's got $36.9 million of guaranteed money due next year.

Speaker 5 And I just think that this is a question where both sides are probably going to have to sit down at the end of the season and figure out what's best in both sides' best interests. Like,

Speaker 5 this is something that we're just, you know, you're just waiting to see how it comes right.

Speaker 5 It's also interesting, but we're not there yet right now. It's not full-blown interesting, but it could be.

Speaker 5 Could be interesting this offseason.

Speaker 1 We can't wait to watch. We'll catch up with you tonight.
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Speaker 1 Football is magical. We're incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about it.
Shout out to college ball and NFL football showing up for us this weekend.

Speaker 1 And week nine of the NFL season wraps up this evening as the Cardinals travel to Dallas to take on the Cowboys as three and a half or three-point underdogs.

Speaker 1 Jacoby Brissette will be starting at quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 1 And after a conversation with Schefter just a few moments ago, this offseason is going to be a potentially interesting one with Kyler and the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Now, as he was talking about that, I had a baseball bat in my hands because I remember that Tyler Murray is the first athlete maybe ever to be drafted top 10 in both baseball and in the NFL.

Speaker 1 The guy could see the curveball. Guy's got an incredible arm.
And he's young enough still at this point to potentially catch a baseball career.

Speaker 1 Now, would he have to go down to triple-A, double-A, prove himself like Tim Tebow had to do for a while, or would he be able to maybe start around dugout for a little bit, get back into game paper, and then go ahead and out there for the Pittsburgh Pirates and be a starter by game 30?

Speaker 1 We have no idea how that would work, but it feels like if you talk to Schefter, he thinks all options are potentially on the table with the Cardinals and Kyler as we go forward.

Speaker 1 And obviously, anytime the Cowboys are involved, the Cardinals or the Kyler stuff in the offseason is not going to be the storyline.

Speaker 1 Storyline is going to be the Dallas Cowboys hosting a Monday Night Football game with a losing record thus far, but still everything potentially involved.

Speaker 1 3-4. and one on a season.
That dash one at the end, the Raiders said we never want to potentially have that. They go for two instead instead of kicking an extra point in overtime.

Speaker 1 But this Dallas Cowboys team offensively are special. Fun to watch.
And my source

Speaker 1 have told me that Dallas Cowboys locker room tight. It's a tight locker room down there.

Speaker 1 So whenever you hear that type of stuff and you think about how talented they are, you say, well, maybe they'll go on a run. And then you automatically have to remind yourself it's the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Who knows what's going to happen with this stuff? They go out there and lose by 20 tonight. They could go out and win by 50 tonight.
Yep. Carry going to be there.

Speaker 1 well that's the thing you know stephen a and uh first take were down there live from jerry world beautiful setup looked very cool i thought that was a genius idea and uh normally whenever stephen a does something like that with the cowboys because he has such a good relationship with jerry jones jerry stopped by uh but you see jerry jones actually standing over top of a honey hole right now he's looking about a hundred billion dollars natural gas stephen a might have given him a call and said jerry how do you do you know there's one of you stopped by and jerry said stephen a you got a shovel okay because you can come join me i'm trying to get three miles deep there's a hundred billion dollars in natural gas below me okay You think I'm worried about the Dallas Cowboys right now?

Speaker 1 They got to figure it out. Stephen, Jerry Jr., listen, you guys can't beat the Cardinals.
We've got more problems than anything.

Speaker 1 What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get down to this natural gas, $100 billion worth of that. So if you need me, Stephen A, we can do a remote interview.

Speaker 1 I'm standing right above this hole until this thing is three miles down if we get it figured out. The Dallas Cowboys are always going to be a show.

Speaker 1 Dallas Cowboys always, everything I just said, they're pretty accurate, by the way. People are going to think that I'm

Speaker 1 maybe a little tiny bit of satire, but certainly all very potentially real real things. Wall Street Journal article last week, Jerry Jones says,

Speaker 1 I ain't worried about defense. I'm worried about getting three miles down.

Speaker 1 I need to get three miles down there because there's natural gas just sitting waiting for old Jerry Jones to fill his bank account with. Basically, what he said.

Speaker 1 $100 billion in natural gas, allegedly. Jerry Jones is trying to get this.
Go ahead, talk to tables at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 3 You hear $100 billion and you're in his line of work being an oil man, being a gas man. You got to do whatever you get.

Speaker 1 This is the glory hole

Speaker 1 of all glory

Speaker 1 this is literally that is his yes dallas cowboys fans like can we try to win a super bowl he's like i'm bop yeah yeah

Speaker 1 um it's a new frontier too everybody thought i was just an oil guy oil guy oil guy oil guy natural gas that's giving me my biggest hit everywhere 800 000 he spent on one rig that hit for a hundred million dollars in oil he bought the dallas cowboys with that money he actually congratulated himself as that rig was

Speaker 1 coughing out oil like any mammal would and then once that thing started pouring, he says, Congratulations, Jerry Jones. You just bought the Dallas Cowboys.
Now he has a chance to do it again.

Speaker 1 But he said, Just Dallas Cowboys, $100 billion, he could buy about 10 teams. That's what he thinks he's doing.
So maybe no Jerry Jones tonight, unless he's fresh off the field.

Speaker 1 He's got dirt on his face.

Speaker 1 He's got some shit kickers on, shovel in hand, saying, Listen, I've been digging to the core, boys. I've been trying to find some natural gas.

Speaker 1 And that's what this team needs to do tonight against Cardinals.

Speaker 2 Well, and he's the owner, and it's awesome, but he's also the GM. So is he, you think he's there picking up calls or calling people for this upcoming trade deadline?

Speaker 1 So that's what everybody's mad about, I think, is the title of general manager that Jerry Jones has upon himself and has placed upon himself.

Speaker 1 I would assume day-to-day operations, Steven, is acting as general manager. Probably has for a while, but obviously it's a Jerry show.
I'm the owner. I'm also general manager.

Speaker 1 So why is your kid doing all the calls? I told him. You don't think I told him to call that?

Speaker 1 I'm actually speaking behind him as if he's

Speaker 1 a ventriloquist. Yeah, he's speaking.
He's got a hand up his ass. Yeah, I'm actually telling.
Yeah, tell him we like that. We like that.
We like that. We're not paying Muckle.
We're not paying Muckle.

Speaker 1 We're not doing it. Trade him.
So let me know, Jerry, maybe.

Speaker 1 But if Jerry's in that suite tonight and we see him, know that he's fresh out of a fucking field that he thinks he can get 100 billion out of the bottom of, which is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 Let's talk to one half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, AP Tone. Spread tonight, total tonight.
Where's the public? What should we be thinking as we maybe look ahead to the final game of the week nine NFL sleeve?

Speaker 4 Yeah, currently the spread is sitting at three and a half or three.

Speaker 4 Cowboys are the favorites at home with a total of 54 and a half, which is a big one, which is pretty standard for the Cowboys teams because we talked about how good their offense is and how bad their defense has been.

Speaker 4 Right now it's currently sitting 74% of the money is on the Dallas Cowboys to cover that spread tonight. This week it actually went five and six.

Speaker 4 Teams went five and six that were getting 60% or more of the bets. That's back-to-back weeks that has been five or six.

Speaker 4 So it's kind of plateaued this season after a terrible, terrible start for the public. It's starting to even out a bit.
Water is starting to find its level.

Speaker 1 What's the percentage on the Cowboys again? 75, 74. 74% on the Dallas Cowboys tonight.
You win by three, you win by 10. Who cares? It's the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 1 They got Jacoby Prissett as a quarterback. That's what everybody's thinking with them.
But you listen to Schefter talking listen to a lot of people talking.

Speaker 1 Like Jacoby Prissett actually runs this offense a lot better than Kyler did. That's an interesting situation over there.
Very hard.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's very, very interesting. Especially with the game being in Dallas.
Like Kyler Murray's record in Jerry World, because he's from Texas is absurd.

Speaker 1 And the Cardinals posted his his record and everything like that last week. They posted.
Social didn't know. Yeah, social, just

Speaker 1 so many different silos, so many different silos. They ached it down, but we saw it.

Speaker 1 We saw it out there. And everybody else did, why are you guys sending mixed signals? Well, it sounds like the Cardinals football people aren't sending mixed signals anymore.

Speaker 1 They're saying we are moving on. And if he comes in and plays, he comes in and plays.
But Jacoby Brissett is our quarterback.

Speaker 1 Now, hopefully, Kyler gets healthy, 100% healthy, because there is a lingering injury, they say, but we shall see. World Series baseball is awesome.
So

Speaker 1 here I sit

Speaker 1 as an indifferent man.

Speaker 1 It's November 3rd, 2025. We're on an overreaction Monday after week nine NFL sleep.
That was historic. Great.
Yeah. Nine out of the 12 games in the NFL sleeve one-score games.

Speaker 1 The NFL has its fastball all the way back. NFL matchups, good.
Tonight's Monday night football game could be a great game. Could be.

Speaker 1 We're in the dead middle of this NFL season and college football. We're getting towards a point where playoffs are literally right around the corner.

Speaker 1 And the fact that we're about to do what I'm about to do right now is crazy to me, but it's because I've been so damn captivated by it.

Speaker 1 You know, maybe it's MLB people being really nice to us and having us come to the All-Star game, even though people at ESPN didn't want us to do it.

Speaker 1 The MLB said, please, please, you want to host this thing? You want to be starting? You want to be starting pitcher for this thing? They were so incredibly kind. I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I need to start maybe looking into this a little bit more. Maybe the finer details, the little stories, the folklore of baseball isn't just a tiny little off-topic.
Maybe that is what baseball is.

Speaker 1 Then you start looking at the product on the field. It's like, wait, their superstars are showing up in a massive way.
And then this World Series has been must watch. It makes it to game seven.

Speaker 1 And what a special finale to the MLB season, Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 3 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, every game is a nail biter or has been a nail biter for the most part, you know, give or take a couple.
But then, yeah, for a game seven to do this, just unbelievable.

Speaker 3 In the third inning, bottom of the third, Beau Buchette hits a three-run homer off Shohei Otani, and it was absolute pandemonium in Toronto.

Speaker 3 Everyone in there, I mean, you're already starting to, you're thinking, hey, when's the parade going to be? How are we going to do it? I cannot believe we're actually going to beat the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 And I'm sure Dodgers fans were kind of feeling that a little bit as well. Go back to the top of the eighth.
You can see Toronto's up 4-2, and it's starting to get scary hours time.

Speaker 3 Betrey Yasavish gives up a solo homer to Max Muncie to cut the lead to one. And again, that's when it's like, okay, we got got a little bit of a fight on our hands.

Speaker 3 I think if you're a Blue Jays fan at this point, you're still feeling like, hey, we got our closer in the pen steal. No big deal.
We're going to be just fine. Let's go to the top of the ninth.

Speaker 3 Jeff Hoffman for the Blue Jays. Miguel Rojas, who, you know, is probably a guy you've never heard of for the Dodgers.
He rips one down the line.

Speaker 3 Solo Homer in the top of the ninth inning to tie it up and ensure that at the very least the the Dodgers are they're gonna have a shot here.

Speaker 3 They're gonna have a shot but still you know there's a lot going on. The Blue Jays, they are battle-tested.
They're ready for these kind of moments. They're going to get guys on base.

Speaker 3 They're going to do what they have to do to try to score a run. Let's move to the bottom of the ninth.
Base is loaded. Dalton Varshow rips one to Miguel Rojas.
And boy,

Speaker 3 bang, bang play at the plate.

Speaker 3 Fourshot. Exactly.
Fourshot. A lot of people saying, hey, if he doesn't slide, if he just runs right through the bag there, then you probably win the World Series.

Speaker 3 Obviously, that's, you know, hindsight is 20-20. But man, I mean, you can see baseball is a game of inches, and you can see it right there.

Speaker 3 That's how close the Blue Jays came to winning the World Series in the bottom of the ninth. But that's okay.
That's okay. Hey, we got a force out.
We still got another opportunity.

Speaker 1 Base is still juiced.

Speaker 3 Base is still juiced. Ernie Clement, who's been a bit of a hero.
He rips one to center, and oh, no, we got a will they, won't they? Andy Paes, who has not played well for the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 He was a late replacement in this game for his defense. Miraculous catch there to send the game into extra innings.
I mean, look at that Dodgers fan. And then look at Ernie Clement.

Speaker 3 These guys cannot believe it. So here we go.
We got extra inning baseball in game seven to decide who's going to win the World Series. And let's go to the top of the 11th.
Heavenly Hulkster called it.

Speaker 3 Hey, Will Smith. Solo home run for the Dodgers.
And boy, I mean, it sucked every ounce of juice, of energy, momentum outside of Rodgers Center in Toronto. Dodgers fans could start to feel it.

Speaker 3 You could see there's a full clip of Kershaw in the bullpen. He goes crazy.
Can't believe it. He can't believe it.

Speaker 3 And then bottom 11th with guys on first and third, the big wobble body, Alejandro Kirk, little number, two Mookie bets. He turns to the Dodgers win back-to-back World Series.

Speaker 3 Yoshinobu Yamamoto is the MVP. After throwing 96 pitches the night before, he comes in and throws two and two-thirds innings the day after.

Speaker 3 gutsy, gutsy performance. And yeah, now here we go.
Here's all the rhetoric. Hey, this isn't fair.
This isn't what baseball should be.

Speaker 3 But man, if you like, like you said, if you're not really a fan of baseball and you're kind of just a casual and you got dropped into this.

Speaker 3 Recency bias is definitely there, but this was one of the best World Series in maybe the last 25 years.

Speaker 1 I enjoyed every moment of it. The stars showed up.
Shohei obviously has a couple huge games and then pitching in game seven. He obviously gets rocked for that three-run jack.

Speaker 1 And everybody's like, oh, no, Shohei's entire offseason is going to be talking about what happened in game seven and what happened the last time he pitched as opposed to all all the special things that he did.

Speaker 1 But he gets a huge lift from his teammates. Clayton Kershaw is shown there a couple of times.
He's retiring. So this one's for Clayton, potential opportunity speeches.

Speaker 1 He'll be joining us here in a matter of moments, I do believe, before their parade today to celebrate everything that they did. But that Mookie Betts story, he was an outfielder, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 For the Red Sox, and then he actually won a World Series.

Speaker 2 with the Red Sox, and then they went to arbitration because of how good he was and then ended up just getting shipped out of town to the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 But he was an outfielder, right? And then this year's first year, he played shortstop. Is that accurate?

Speaker 2 I don't know if it was his first year.

Speaker 3 So they've kind of started the, he was like their everyday shortstop this year, but they kind of started the transition last year of moving him from the outfield into the infield just because he's such a good athlete and they signed a couple guys in the outfield.

Speaker 3 So they needed to keep him on the field. But yeah, he's, it's.
He hasn't been playing infield like his whole life or anything. It's still very new to him.

Speaker 3 And he even said, you know, on that double play, he was like, man, I was like almost worried, like, hey, I need to make sure that I can actually do this.

Speaker 3 And for a guy like that who has won an MVP, like he needs to, you know, like, that's very weird that he would have those kind of thoughts. But it paid off.

Speaker 3 He's a great athlete and, you know, game on the line. He gets the double play and there you go.

Speaker 1 You know, the rest is history. Gets the bat snapped on Naylor there.

Speaker 1 Him just turning the double. I guess there's a picture of him as the ball is leaving his hand.
He's smiling because he knows what's about to happen. Special moment for those guys.

Speaker 1 And, you know, there's a lot of slander being tossed at the Dodgers because they spent a bunch of money. They spend a bunch of money.
It's like they're allowed to. So

Speaker 1 like if you're allowed to do it, and the Blue Jays spent a bunch of money too, right? Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 Gumpy brought up a good point. Rogers Communications owns the Blue Jays.
It's like one of it's like one of the biggest telecommunications companies.

Speaker 1 It's a big head of money.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the biggest telecommunication company in Canada. Like they're worth billions and billions and billions of dollars.
And all of these owners, all of these guys are billionaires.

Speaker 1 Not all of them.

Speaker 3 Well, not all. Sure.
Sure.

Speaker 1 Well, some people need Seven Springs volume to be a little bit bigger.

Speaker 3 That's true.

Speaker 1 And that's the entire conversation, right? Exactly. It's like as a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, I'm being kind of held hostage strictly because I got some

Speaker 1 almost said something terrible here. I'm happy that my lips stopped that.

Speaker 1 See, this is new me. You know, old me, a little bit different there.
I would have let that one fly. I'm not going to call this guy a doofus, okay? Which is what I was about to do.
Some doofus dipshit.

Speaker 3 I think that would be okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you don't know what he did with Seven Springs. I don't.
Okay, so I don't know how long he was in charge of Seven Springs, but I had some great times on that tubing hill with Tim McAfee.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're all suited and booted. So I at least owe him at least a sense of gratitude for that entire thing.
But him being the Pirates owner has been ass.

Speaker 1 This guy doesn't have the money to compete with these people, and he doesn't want to. If he had the money, he wouldn't want to compete with them.
That's his entire mindset.

Speaker 1 So that leads to the entire quagmire that currently baseball is is sitting in, right, Ty?

Speaker 3 Yeah, without a doubt. And it's just, it's, it's one of those things where, like, could, I mean, all of these guys, like, they, you, that, you could spend money.
You could.

Speaker 3 Now, there, it also comes into play. Like, there are obviously, just like in the NFL or any other big-time sport, like, there are certain cities that are free agency destinations.

Speaker 3 So the LAs of the world and the New Yorks, like, they're always going to have a leg up. But, I mean, it's, it's kind of tight.
Like, this, this is what the MLB has been for a really long time.

Speaker 3 And, like, no one bitched about it when the Yankees were doing doing it in the late 90s and in the 2000s. And I don't know.
Maybe it's because the Dodgers have come off as like so dominant.

Speaker 3 And every time there is a marquee player who becomes available or, you know, whatever the case may be, it seems like they are always going to the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 But like you said, you mentioned it at the top of the show. The Mets spent the most money in baseball this year.
They didn't make the playoffs. So like there are ways you can get.
around it.

Speaker 3 And it's kind of on the owner whether or not they want to just make the most money or they want their team to win a title.

Speaker 1 Game seven of the Dodgers Blue Jays World Series Sports Business Journal is reporting peaked at $31.5 million or

Speaker 1 31.5 million people. That's up 10% from 2019's Game 7.
That's crazy. Congratulations.
Facebook. It's a big number.
It is a big number, especially with how great the game was. It delivered.

Speaker 1 I mean, they had an 18-inning game, obviously. They have an 11-inning game in the game seven.
It's like stars out everywhere. Clayton Kershaw, we don't know if he's going to be able to make it.

Speaker 1 We thought we had him. We thought we had him.
We don't know. know.
He got the parade starting very soon.

Speaker 1 So that would have been a Hail Mary attempt. We will be having Jet join us here in a matter of moments to hopefully fill us in on anything that we missed there.

Speaker 1 But baseball being up and to the right, great. Clayton Kershaw winning on his retirement year, sweet.
Mookie Betts making a play. Shohei getting to have an offseason.

Speaker 1 And Yoshi Yamamoto is the best pitcher in baseball.

Speaker 1 Not Baron Paul Skeens. No.

Speaker 3 I mean, I would say no, but the big thing, like Skeens is never pitched in the playoffs. Like, that's when it matters.
Like, this guy came in. That's why you pay him all that money.

Speaker 3 And he was absolutely, like, he was unhittable. He was basically the Blue Jays' only kryptonite and very fitting.
And, you know, talk about having big-time nuts and guts

Speaker 3 for him to throw as many pitches he did the night before. And then they basically said pre-game, like, hey, every, every pitcher we have is going to be available to go except for Yamamoto.

Speaker 3 And he basically said, like, no, like, if you need me, I can go. And he ends up closing out the game, throwing the last two and two-thirds innings.

Speaker 1 I just sent a tweet in that was sent to me by somebody who might have rooting interest and chit-chatting about baseball a little bit more.

Speaker 1 The NBA and MLB both had a Game 7 for its championship this year. The average viewership numbers weren't close.
The NBA, 16.61, which is up.

Speaker 1 They said, remember, numbers were up for this particular World Series, 25.98 million. And I don't know if that's accounting for Canada, Japan, and everything else like that, but it possibly could be.

Speaker 1 It's like baseball swinging a hotbat. Yes,

Speaker 1 I'm becoming a fan of baseball.

Speaker 1 So baseball's done now? Pitchball is done.

Speaker 2 Yeah, pitchers and cameras.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they report in three months.

Speaker 3 But this year, in 2020, I shouldn't say this year, 2026, early 2026, we have the World Baseball Classic, which I think, I don't want to say that's when you became a fan of baseball, but we had the Shohei first Trout matchup, and it was kind of like a small picture of like, hey, this is what premier top-level baseball could be.

Speaker 3 And for the first time, in my opinion, for the first time ever, the U.S. this year, just with like their roster construction thus far, they're basically saying, Hey, let's go win this thing.

Speaker 3 In the years past, it's kind of just been like all the really elite guys don't want to get hurt.

Speaker 3 You have the regular season starting soon, so no reason to kind of bump up your entire off-season program to get ready for something like this. But we are legitimately trying to win this this year.

Speaker 1 This is special for baseball if it's good. I mean, I locked in on it just like Four Nations, ladies and gentlemen.
Joining us now is a man who is a three-time

Speaker 1 World Series champion, three-time Cy Young winner, 11-time All-Star, 2014 MVP. He has 3,052 strikeouts, 2.53 career ERA, 223 wins, and I saw him shirtless the other night.

Speaker 1 It looks like he's enjoying the hell out of his life. Ladies and gentlemen, high school graduate alongside Matthew Stafford, a man who goes out on top of the world, Clayton Kershaw.

Speaker 1 How are you, dude?

Speaker 7 Hey, what's up, guys? Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 Are you on a float right now? Thank you for joining us. How are the vibes?

Speaker 6 Oh, man. Couldn't be better.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we're on our float. We're getting ready to take off from Dodger Stadium.
And like you said, man, what a way to go out. It's going to be the best.

Speaker 1 This one's for Clayton. You know, there could be a couple of those speeches, and we appreciate you taking a couple moments here.
We don't want to hold up too much of your time.

Speaker 1 Obviously, big moment in your life. Can you describe to me the team? I mean, the grittiness of your squad.
I put a tweet out that said, it feels like you guys Blue Jays the Blue Jays there.

Speaker 1 Do you feel that? And what do you describe this team as?

Speaker 6 Yeah, man.

Speaker 9 I think you're talking about the grittiness.

Speaker 6 Sorry, you broke up a little bit, but this team has just been unbelievable all the way through.

Speaker 9 It's just so special to be a part of.

Speaker 6 Just the way we won that game.

Speaker 9 Like, it could have gone either way. The Blue Jays played unbelievable the whole time.
And

Speaker 6 I just, I can't believe we won, man.

Speaker 1 It's unbelievable well congratulations we're obviously losing service let's chit-chat a little bit about the conversation around the amount of superstars you guys have is that tough to deal with or is the culture strong over there culture is the everything i assume for you guys why are you able to win with this when like the mets not necessarily able to or other places that have superstars

Speaker 9 Yeah, you know, I think it starts with the people, right? Like, yeah, these superstars are, you know, Johe, Muki, Freddie, Will Smith, all these guys.

Speaker 9 They're unbelievable players and they're superstars, but they put the team first. And that can look a lot of different ways.

Speaker 9 You know, from Mookie starting at shortstop or from Will Smith catching or from Freddie playing hurt or Johe pitching on short rest and Yama pitching on no day's rest.

Speaker 9 You know, we just have a lot of guys willing to sacrifice for the good of the group. And that's why it works is because you got to have superstar character.

Speaker 6 And we got those guys, man. And it's just so special.

Speaker 1 I love the amount of stars that you have. I like that the stars all show up.

Speaker 1 You know, stars can obviously get paid and not show up your guys seemingly always step up to the plate good metaphor there as a baseball host that i am currently have you guys thought about maybe taking those floats all the way to japan with yamamoto and shohei are you guys going to put those things on boats maybe take a trip to japan and celebrate this as well

Speaker 9 Oh my, could you imagine going to Japan with those guys? I mean, that would be like traveling with the Beatles or Taylor Swift or something.

Speaker 6 So I'm all in, though. I'm all in.
Let's get them over there.

Speaker 1 Tell me about your...

Speaker 1 Tell me about your relationship with them. Honestly, tell me about the kind of Japanese culture mixing with your guys' locker room.
Because I see you all doing this thing.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but I see a lot of this stuff that seemingly everybody's all in. Can you tell me about mingling with the cultures and what the hell is this?

Speaker 9 I wish I could see you, man. I don't even know what you're doing.
Oh, that.

Speaker 6 Oh, that is.

Speaker 8 That's like a little hip-lock move we do to warm up.

Speaker 9 And I have no idea why that's our celebration, but that's why we do it.

Speaker 6 Oh, you you guys say hi to coop

Speaker 1 have fun cool yeah

Speaker 9 oh but uh yeah shohe yama roki the japanese culture is

Speaker 6 um they're just so gracious i mean i think that's the biggest thing and um they're willing to do anything for us and they're willing to you know take the ball and shohe's really taught us a lot and um I don't have enough.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 6 I wish I had more things to say other than they're just amazing guys.

Speaker 1 Enjoy it it all, Clayton. You deserve it, brother.
Hell of a way to go out. Thank you for your service to sports and to us as sports fans throughout all the years.
You earned it.

Speaker 1 You deserve it, brother. Enjoy yourself.

Speaker 9 Hey, thank you very much for having me, guys. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Hey, spray tan that thing. Ladies and gentlemen, Clayton Kershaw.
Yeah, Clayton.

Speaker 1 What a legend, dude. What a legend.
Yeah. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 hey, can. Can anybody stop by today? You know, we don't want to overstep our boundaries.
We got our parade today. Oh, okay.
Never mind. No, but we still got the time before and everybody will be here.

Speaker 1 We'll send the ask in. Kershaw wanting to come on was cool.
Yeah. Like that's cool.

Speaker 3 He's a legend. Best pitcher of his generation.

Speaker 1 Okay. How many years? So I saw the amount of strikeouts there.
3,052 strikeouts. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So like Skeens might have a chance to like get 3,000 strikeouts.

Speaker 3 A lot of people say with like the way pitchers are now, like 3,000 strikeouts, like no one who currently pitches in the MLB will ever reach that number again.

Speaker 1 This is an MLB graphic. Obviously, they have a lot of respect and appreciation for Clayton Kershaw.
Seems like all his teammates do, too. I haven't really heard a single negative thing about him.

Speaker 1 Then he's got Coop, obviously, riding a shotgun alongside of his entire run. Just kind of like a super superstar, if you will, for the Major League Baseball.

Speaker 3 Yeah, without a doubt. And like early on in his career, he kind of had like the Peyton Manning thing going where like he was unbelievable in the regular season.

Speaker 3 He, you know, winning Cy Young's, striking out a bunch of guys, but then the Dodgers could never win the World Series. And that kind of dominated like the rhetoric around his early career.

Speaker 3 It's like yeah this guy's nails in the regular season but he can't win the big one and then for whatever you know something changes the dodgers whether it's ownership or they kind of make more of a commitment to go all in they end up winning three world series by the time he's done like he will be a first ballot hall of famer no question he is the best pitcher of of like my generation without a doubt he's unbelievable and all accounts are like yeah everyone who has played in the mlb or you know is like it's impossible to hate that guy yeah i uh i appreciate him walking around shirtless too Yep.

Speaker 1 I'm retired. It's a retired body.
That was his first moments of being retired. Give me a drink and let's go ahead and celebrate this entire thing.
Baseball has been awesome. Culture, spectacular.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Got to hang out with the boys a lot.
Yeah. You're with the boys a lot.

Speaker 3 Like you said, in like the NFL, like if a baseball team didn't like each other, that team is not winning. Like you just can't because that's a long season.

Speaker 3 That's a lot of time away from your family where it's like, if you don't like the guys in your clubhouse, I don't think there is any chance that you win a World Series.

Speaker 1 What? And the difference between an out and a home run is what, that? Yeah, exactly. Whenever you're hitting that.

Speaker 1 So, if you have any negative energy or vibe, I mean, that is just a game changer, especially when you're dealing with humans.

Speaker 1 So, shout out to the Dodgers doing it. They pissed a lot of people off.
We'll talk to Jet Pass in the next couple of days to tell us what that means for the offseason. But shout out to baseball.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you. Can't wait for a World Baseball Classic.
Cannot wait. And we need to be winning that shit too.

Speaker 3 We stacked the lineup this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but so did Japan, right? I assume.

Speaker 3 Japan's got a couple of like the really good guys, but like the last time we played, like the our starting pitchers, like who we're like, they're guys that are good in the majors, but guys that like you would have never heard of, like Skeens is playing.

Speaker 3 What? Aaron Judge is playing. Big Dumper is playing.
Bobby Witt Jr. is playing.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 3 all of like the biggest super streams.

Speaker 1 Where are these games at? Where are these games at?

Speaker 3 So it's pool play. So all of our pool play games are in Texas.
I want to say at the Rangers Stadium. There's also games in Miami.
There's games in Japan.

Speaker 3 And then I believe there's some in like Latin America somewhere. So you have pool play there.
And then the finals, the championship are in Miami at the Marlins.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go win that America.

Speaker 1 Shout out to baseball. We appreciate it.
Shout out to football. Obviously, having a huge day yesterday, NFL football.
And we said nine out of the 12 games were one-score games on Sunday Slate.

Speaker 1 Colts game count is that. Okay, that's a seven-point ball game against Pittsburgh Steelers.
Now, Pittsburgh Steelers, I gave credit to Danny Smith, this man who choosed a law of bazooka gum.

Speaker 1 I mean, Danny Smith, the English legend, been coaching special teams a long time.

Speaker 1 Me and this guy, I would say great relationship is kind of how we would both describe it, just strictly because I think he had respect for me because I am from Pittsburgh coming into the league.

Speaker 1 And then he would come chat with me. I would talk shit back to him.
He would talk shit to me. We're Pittsburgh people.
That is kind of how it went.

Speaker 1 And this man has been committed to ball for a very, very long time. And he chews an obnoxious amount of gum all the time.
I mean, this is just who he is as a person.

Speaker 1 And I gave him credit yesterday just because of the amount of respect I have for him about basically beating a new kickoff rule. This gum chewing Yinzer genius just beat the damn rule book.

Speaker 1 You know, brand new kickoff right now. We're kicking off from a different spot than everybody's lined up.
Then there was a 15-yard penalty. That thing goes to the 50.

Speaker 1 Chris Boswell just kicks this thing out of bounds inside the 10-yard line. Let me just go ahead and boot this thing out of bounds.

Speaker 1 Commentators, everybody kind of thinking to themselves, what the hell are these guys? You still trying to pin him. We're an idiot.
And he goes, yep, thank you. I don't do it.

Speaker 1 And then they showed Danny Smith. He celebrated.

Speaker 1 he's like everybody knows too he like yep just like we did we read rule book we prepared brick it's what we said this is exactly beats bitches don't even know we gotta tell them it's on 25.

Speaker 1 so the rule is yep yep put that on 25.

Speaker 1 you know he feels very good about himself and boss is having to explain to offensive linemen and tight ends and everybody, hey, we just, we're putting balls going to 25. We're prepared for this.

Speaker 1 Danny goes, that's right. That's right.
That's exactly what we're looking for.

Speaker 1 Ball at the 25 is a great starting position now at this stage of what the football is because 35-yard line is touchback drive start.

Speaker 1 So the reason why the rules, they got it to 25 is because the rule says 25 yards from the place in which you kicked or 25 from the end zone.

Speaker 1 So if you're kicking off at the 50, drive starts immediately at the 25, you just kick that thing out of bounds. Genius.
I gave him credit. You know where he found it? Where is that? Where?

Speaker 1 The Colts did it.

Speaker 1 I must have been taking a dump. This happened in the loud house earlier this season.
Ricoberto Sanchez kicks it out of bounds. Commentators call him terrible.
What an idiot, this guy.

Speaker 1 This guy is no control. Why would you do that? Then all of a sudden, they place the ball at the 25-yard line after Shane Steichen.
Everybody explains, hey, 25 yards from the thing.

Speaker 1 That's where it's supposed to be. So the Colts actually are the super geniuses.

Speaker 1 Danny Smith kind of ripped it from him. Now, Danny Smith, though, certainly executed perfectly in the time in which they did.

Speaker 1 But that situation right there was pretty indicative of what the Pittsburgh Steelers were yesterday. Everything working.
Seemingly everything. It was a close game, though.

Speaker 1 Waiteman, the seven-point game. Waiteman, the 24-7 here.
The Colts have a huge comeback. It's been 24-17 before you know it.
Waiteman, punter for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Everybody's talking about Josh Downs not getting a hit and everything like that. Bomb.
Just hits an absolute bomb there that gets Downs kind of rolling. Ball hits him.
That's one turnover.

Speaker 1 TJ Watt, strip sack pick by Wilson. It felt like the Pittsburgh Steelers, everything was going their direction.

Speaker 1 So getting a kickoff that outsmarts the current rule and exposes a loophole in the current rule that is said is like kind of apropos for what the Pittsburgh Steelers were yesterday.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, everything was pretty much perfect. The only thing that wasn't perfect is they did not score after that muff punt.
That is not a touchdown.

Speaker 4 You cannot advance a muff punt for those who did not know that.

Speaker 1 People didn't know, ball, there's a lot of, there's a lot of

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh people. A lot of Pittsburgh people.
Whoa. Well, that, which I was,

Speaker 1 now I know because I'm a punter. Okay.
So literally, muff. I'm trying to, I'm trying to get all the muffs.
Sure. I'm trying to, I'm muff hunting.
Yes, you are. I'm muff hunting.
Okay.

Speaker 1 If I can hit this thing higher and this guy will muff this thing, chaos down there. That is what I'm looking for muffs.

Speaker 1 Now, everybody that plays in the NFL, though, every special teams coordinator say, that's why the guy ran it in. He even knew this is not a touchdown because it's like one of the first things.

Speaker 1 But you got to cover the ball. You got to get on top of it.
Yeah, we stopped on fourth down, I do believe, down there, which is massive respect for our defense getting that stand.

Speaker 1 But other than that, it's like Steelers dominated Colts yesterday. That is kind of the story.

Speaker 14 Is there a reason for that muff punt rule that you can't advance it strategically-wise?

Speaker 1 Why is that the rule?

Speaker 2 Isn't Vince Papali? Didn't he do it for the Eagles? And they're like, All right, we can't be having this happen every single game.

Speaker 1 The guy's a quarterback. He's scoring touchdowns.
I don't think that can happen. I think it's because they never possess it.
So they never possess the ball. So it's not a change of possession.

Speaker 1 So it's just like a live ball is kind of how it's viewed, as opposed to an extra down, you know, I think is kind of,

Speaker 4 can you advance, say you onside kick and it hits off the returning team and then you pick it up? Can you advance that? No.

Speaker 1 No, yeah.

Speaker 4 I didn't think so. So yeah, it's possession.
It's got to be possession.

Speaker 1 You got to possess it. And they can half second,

Speaker 1 boom, blow up, possession.

Speaker 1 Humble, yeah. But if it's just a...

Speaker 1 a touch, which we're all looking for. I mean, if you see,

Speaker 1 you see gunners that are trying to get that guy on the ball.

Speaker 1 And, you know, sometimes there was a little bit of a run of kicking teams doing a little bit too dramatic, trying to push people into the ball.

Speaker 1 But that is certainly something like, hey, just let their heel hit it. Just let their heel hit it.
Then all of a sudden, we got a live ball action out there. You got to know the rules.

Speaker 1 Obviously, they did. Josh Down is doing a little bit of a blender there.
And also that field.

Speaker 1 I mean, ball is bouncing crazy right off the ground, right off. Yeah, right.
That thing could have bounced.

Speaker 4 The footballs always go the way that they're supposed to. I thought the field was okay yesterday.
Saying it was kicking up a bit or whatever, but no.

Speaker 1 Well, Jonathan Taylor couldn't run on it. So I'd I'd like to know what the hell you were doing, and I'd like every other stadium not to do it.

Speaker 1 Jonathan Taylor's huge for the NFL right now. You guys just took him off.
Well, a lot of people are.

Speaker 4 So if you're happy about that, does he know how to run on grass?

Speaker 1 Can the Colts play out? We got Coconut Husky here.

Speaker 4 Do the Golds know how to play outside? A lot of people were asking those questions. I don't know if they've done either this year.
I didn't look into it enough, but I saw it on the internet.

Speaker 1 We have... outdoor practice fields.
That roof has been open. That's true.
Same with the window. So we have played outside.
I've been at the game. I've got Sunburn at a game down there, brother.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the sun is shining in. The wind is affecting our team.
And we're running on Coconut Husk. I know it's fast.

Speaker 1 Guys got a slow-ass track over there.

Speaker 4 You guys did play at the Titans, so there was one outside game on grass.

Speaker 1 The Titans team's tough team. They are.
Good team. We fought one.
We fought hard yesterday. Yeah, Chargers are in dogfight there.
Yeah, they were. I mean, that's a real dogfight there.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk a little bit about

Speaker 1 that Bears Bengals finish. We need to talk about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All-time. All-timer.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what could come from this is a massive kaboom.

Speaker 1 A massive Cincinnati kaboom. I mean,

Speaker 1 with how good the offense is, with how great the offense is, with how much money they've invested in their greatness, that's an insane catch rate there.

Speaker 1 That is an absolute, sky, two of them. This guy is insane out there.
He's considered 1A or whatever because Jamar Chase is obviously on that team as well. If T.

Speaker 1 Higgins would have left the Cincinnati Bengals and got the deal that he got currently with the Bengals at some other team, he'd be top five. They'd say this guy's top five wide receiver.

Speaker 1 But it's hard to put the Bengals two top wide receivers in top five conversations. Jamar Chase on the other side, that guy, actual top five conversation all the time.

Speaker 1 T could be in the same exact situation, but this is how they paid him. Chase Brown running back.
He's not happy. No.

Speaker 1 Joey Flack can't really speak on it because he's brand new to the team, but I'm sure he's like, you guys, I just had 400-something yards, man. I'm I'm throwing the ball all over the yard.

Speaker 1 Just let it come back with less than two minutes in the fourth quarter. We got an onside kick on the team.
We go down, we win this game. Improbable happens when Joe Flacco is at quarterback.

Speaker 1 On-side kick gets recovered. Yeah, right.
Never happens nowadays. Hits guys' foot.
Cincinnati Bengals got it. Joe Flacco 143.
Let me go score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 This was supposed to be a pivotal day, monumental day for this Bengals team. Even without Joe Burrow, we can go ahead and win.
Exhilarating, exciting. The jungle's going crazy.
We did it.

Speaker 1 The ruler of the jungle, whoever it was, says, ah, I beat the Bears.

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams. Uh-uh.
Uh-uh.

Speaker 1 USC, Caleb. Oklahoma, Caleb.
Scrambling, dancing. First, Don.
Chicago Bears. Timeout.
Timeout. Timeout.
Timeout. 25 seconds left.
Did they leave too much time for Caleb Williams?

Speaker 1 Only need a field goal, as you can recall. No timeouts.
You throw over to the middle of the field. We're going to have to get down and spike it.

Speaker 1 Colson Loveland says, don't you worry about spiking it on the field. I'm going to spike this shit in the end zone.
Touchdown. Bengals tackle nobody.

Speaker 1 Immediately after the game, everybody on the Cincinnati Bengals offensive side said, hey, these guys suck. Talk about the defense.
And everybody on defense said, get me out of here.

Speaker 1 So right now, the Cincinnati Bengals come from a less than a minute win.

Speaker 1 comeback win, improbable, on-site kick and everything, could unite the entire fan base and building and locker room, you name it. Exhilarating win.
You're talking about climax of all climaxes.

Speaker 1 Weren't supposed to win that game. Instead,

Speaker 1 lose. This place sucks.
That defense is disgusting.

Speaker 1 And on defense, we know, get me out of here. This could have been a pivotal day in the future of the Cincinnati Bengals.
And all they need to do is just tackle Colston Loveland one time.

Speaker 4 And I'm glad you said pivotal day because I went back to see.

Speaker 4 So this was week nine. Week eight last year was when the Bears were at Washington.
They had the incredible comeback. Commanders throw the Hail Mary.

Speaker 4 They go to the playoffs. They do all of the incredible things.
And then the Bears lose every single game the rest of the season except for one.

Speaker 4 So I was thinking, could this be a similar situation this year where this propels the Bears to

Speaker 4 a great rest of the season and the Bengals

Speaker 4 just go into the tank? Because it was not just this week. Remember last week? Last week they were up, whatever, 16, 17 on the Jets, and the Jets came back and did basically the same thing.

Speaker 4 Like, I couldn't imagine what that locker room is like.

Speaker 1 Hey, what happened in college ball this weekend? Anything that we need to hit? Certainly some big outcomes. Utah.
Hey, Utah was cold. Utah was awesome.
Utah was early.

Speaker 1 Utah wasn't a lot of sleep for us. The Utah Youth student section, the must showed up in a big way for game day.
We're very appreciative of that. Great second kick by Jonah.

Speaker 1 That was a lot of fun, but the Utah Utes get a huge win over Cincinnati. Shout out to Kirk Kirbstreet bringing in some blockers.
I appreciate old buddy looking out for me through that entire process.

Speaker 1 Utah gets huge win over Cincinnati. Very late night.
Shout out to our student section. I think a lot of the boys took the shirts off too, took the tarps off late.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Stanford Steve trying not to have these guys make the kick. Absolutely love that.
He was so sure of it. He knew.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Are you guys looking at an Udder kick? That had to be an Utterball. That was not the one I was looking at.
Utah gets a huge win. Garrett and Jonah get a win on the kick.
Obviously, second chance.

Speaker 1 We appreciate that. That's continuing to get pretty expensive.
But other things happen around the college football world, including on them country roads, brother.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was definitely one of those college football weekends that you came in. You're like, what's going to happen? It's not a great slate.
It was a weekend for upsets that tends to happen.

Speaker 4 We start in Houston, West Virginia, up 38-28 already. They run one in to basically seal this one.
Mountaineers get a huge win over Houston, who was in the running for the Big 12.

Speaker 1 Not anymore. Yeah, not anymore.
Houston, obviously, good luck to them down there. Scotty Fox, that quarterback, talking a little bit shit right there as he was walking out.

Speaker 1 He is the, I believe, the first quarterback that graduates high school early, comes the West Virginia door in the spring. I've been told from source

Speaker 1 that the boys radiate to Scotty Fox, have since the beginning. I don't want to say it's like a sunshine type thing, but kind of like a sunshine type situation in the locker room.

Speaker 1 Freshman, obviously young at the beginning of the season, they're trying to figure out the quarterback. We have a couple injuries, have a couple of terrible games.

Speaker 1 Scotty Fox kind of gets handed the reins. This dude is electrifying.
Mountaineers and Rich Rodriguez on the road back to hard edge get a huge win for the entire program.

Speaker 4 Yes, they did.

Speaker 4 And then then you talked about on game day uh teams that control their own destiny in the acc one of them was georgia tech uh a high scoring insane battle haynes king had over 500 total yards in this game but not enough throws a pick here for nc state now georgia tech is defeated is the acc

Speaker 4 a one-bid league it potentially could be when you go down to smu who is hosting miami miami's first time out of the state they go to overtime carson beck throws an interception on the first possession

Speaker 4 And then SMU gets the ball. They drive it down in overtime.
They get the touchdown. They storm the field.
ACC is in chaos.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they certainly are in chaos. Rhett Lashley just got a new deal down there at SMU.
SMU was having their homecoming game.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of things up against it. Kirk Herbstreet mentioned it while he was talking about this game on game day.
He talked to Gumpy beforehand, and Gumpy was certainly worried.

Speaker 1 Miami out of it now. They didn't control their destiny going into the weekend.
They certainly don't anymore. How do you view the season? He was already reminiscing.
Oh, no. He was already reminiscing.

Speaker 1 As soon as the game ended, he goes, We'll always have that Notre Dame win or whatever. You know, he was kind of looking back on it.
Gumps, what are your thoughts on this year's Miami Hurricane squad?

Speaker 10 Those boys were sleeping coming off the bus. I don't know if you saw the video.
It wasn't pretty. That was an early start.
First time out of Florida. It was ugly.

Speaker 10 Carson Beck kind of just makes these mistakes when you can't have them. And we're kind of cooked.
But I would like to urge everybody, let's slow down on the Crystal Ball hate.

Speaker 10 You know, I love Crystal Ball. He's a great recruiter, great head coach.
Maybe think about OC a little bit.

Speaker 1 All right. Good luck to Miami.

Speaker 1 They're going to Gator Bowl. Yeah, maybe.
Rely Quest Bowl. The Belk Bowl, perhaps? Oh, maybe.
Maybe. They're going to win it.
No doubt. They're going to win it.

Speaker 1 Well, it depends on who plays, I guess, but it does feel like some teams kind of work themselves into a shoot, the shoot being out of the CFP conversation this weekend. Huge losses, a lot of chaos.

Speaker 1 Big wins as well. Go ahead, Tom.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there's some big wins. Let's go down to the SEC.
First off with Texas. Vandi was coming to town, Texas.

Speaker 4 Arch, tell you what, there was a lot of talk and a lot of people clowning Arch at the beginning of the season.

Speaker 4 He has quietly the last three weeks been really, really good coming off of the concussion. Had an incredible game against Vandi.
Texas gets a big win. They are still in the playoff hunt.

Speaker 1 Did you see Arch Manning? Obviously, a little bit of a duck there. Who cares? His uncles threw some ducks as long as they're in a good spot and everybody can catch him.
That's great news.

Speaker 1 Vandi gets a huge loss here. They lose to Alabama and they lose to Texas.
That does not mean that Vandi is not a success story in the SEC. They certainly should be heralded as such.

Speaker 1 But if you start looking down the line at the schedule going home, it feels like Vandi might not make the college football playoff.

Speaker 1 Whenever you think about Texas, you see Arch Manning whenever he was coming out of the tunnel? Zooming on his face.

Speaker 2 Jack Dung.

Speaker 1 Back at the fucking crib. He actually says.
And then they go out after 41 days of not having a home game. Crazy.
They go out there and beat Vandi. Huge for them.
Vibes for them are high.

Speaker 1 Same with another school that they obviously have a lot of rivalry with.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Oklahoma went into Tennessee and got just a ginormous win because this is the statement win for Oklahoma this season going on the road.

Speaker 4 They had the big one against Michigan at home, but they've been a little bit down as of late. Matir played incredible.
The defense got big stops.

Speaker 4 Oklahoma gets a huge win on the road to keep their playoff hopes away.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Oklahoma. And let's go down to the SEC.
There's some fun happening with a guy whose name is all in every conversation.

Speaker 4 Yep,

Speaker 4 Lane Kiffin, sorry, old miss down at the sip. The vibes are incredible.
They got a big win against South Carolina, but a lot of the talk was just Lane on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 Obviously, he throws the OOP here to Kywin Lacey.

Speaker 4 Just, I mean, incredible running back. And then he's pushing his players into the crowd.

Speaker 1 Hey, go celebrate. Go do the Oxford leap with the Spring section.
That's a 15-yard penalty. Potentially a fine.
Lane Kiffin says, who cares?

Speaker 1 It feels as if Lane Kiffin's vibes are insane at Ole Miss, especially in the middle of all this. He FaceTimed me in the middle of game day.
Okay, just FaceTimes me in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 We're doing this thing. I see Elaine Kiffin FaceTime.
I answer it. He's got Winned Dad and the boys in the car.
Are they driving to the stadium together? Feels like that is what was happening.

Speaker 1 Just think about how close you got to be for all of this to happen, right? For all this to happen, how close this team has to be with Lane.

Speaker 1 So for all the potential distractions and everything like that, I don't think the Ole Miss team sees it at all. And it looks like they enjoy the hell out of themselves.

Speaker 1 What a time to be alive down there.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Lane Kiffin and old miss and they might be on a trajectory oh yeah hey they might be dancing in 12 down to one let's pivot back to the nfl joining us now is a man who's down at jerry world ladies and gentlemen he is the face of quarterback conversation on espn front of the program ladies and gentlemen dan or lofski

Speaker 1 what's up

Speaker 1 What's up? You feel so cool right now. This is a pretty cool shot right here, Dan.
It's a pretty cool shot right here. So

Speaker 1 you're on about the 25-yard line, 30-yard line?

Speaker 7 I'm am on the 10-yard line.

Speaker 1 Oh, way down there. Okay.
I forgot how big that is.

Speaker 7 I'm on the 10,

Speaker 7 right about there.

Speaker 7 And then just that gigantic, gigantic screen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's huge. It's beautiful.
It changed the way people put LEDs in their stadium. And remember, at one point, that thing was so low, punters would hit it on every single punt.

Speaker 1 Now they've lifted it a bit where if you want to hit it, you still can if you're in the NFL, but usually very avoidable. I saw you down there on first take.
That looked electrifying.

Speaker 1 What are you doing in the stadium? Are you working tonight? Are you guys doing NFL live from there?

Speaker 7 We got NFL live from here, yeah. So first take was like a mile away from the stadium at kind of like a big sports setup area.

Speaker 7 And then we have NFL live from here, obviously countdown, and then the game.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk about the game tonight. Jacoby Brissette playing quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals.
There's a chance that Kyler has a role for their team. What do you think about Arizona?

Speaker 1 And then on the other side, Dallas Cowboys, they could score 100, or this could be a game that they lose. Like if you ask Dallas Cowboys fans, they will somehow figure out a way to lose this game.

Speaker 1 Start with the Cardinals and then roll into the Cowboys, Dano.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I like the Cardinals tonight. One, this team, while two and five and five losses, five losses by 13 total points.
So this is a team that is just a better football team than their record.

Speaker 7 Every game is incredibly close. And I would argue they've played offensively better this year with Jacoby Brissette than they did with Kyler Murray.

Speaker 7 It seems that he's got just as good of a connection with Dre McBride, who's one of the best tight ends in football.

Speaker 7 Seems like he's got a better connection with Marvin Harrison Jr., Jacoby does, than Kyler. And so I think this is a physical offensive line.
They're going to play with multiple tight ends.

Speaker 7 They're going to run the football with success with three tight ends of the field against Dallas. Jacoby's a good player.
Okay.

Speaker 7 He's been a good quarterback for years in the NFL. He's not as electric as Kyler Murray, no question, but he's going to operate this offense.

Speaker 7 And I think time of possession can be huge for Arizona tonight. And then I would say defensively, Dallas's two receivers and tight end we know are fantastic.
Defensively, this is a good unit.

Speaker 7 They don't give up a ton or they don't allow a ton of points a game. It's a huge challenge.
But Will Johnson, their

Speaker 7 cornerback is playing good football.

Speaker 7 I would expect Buddha Baker to get his hand on a ball tonight. If not, two, he's outstanding.
Max Melton's been playing good.

Speaker 7 I just think this is a better football team. I'm not selling everybody that Arizona is going to blow them out, but I think Arizona is more than capable of winning this game on the road.

Speaker 1 Jacoby, we talked to Schefter. Jacoby said, or Schefter said that a lot of people are saying this offense better with Jacoby at quarterback.
Why is that?

Speaker 1 And what do you think about the handling of the entire situation? Schefter told us that this offseason could be interesting as he did his wind horse impression for Kyler in Arizona.

Speaker 1 Your thoughts on that particular case?

Speaker 7 Yeah, so Kyler last year, I thought at times was playing like a top-five quarterback. He really had some big-time performances.
And this year, it necessarily hasn't hit that well.

Speaker 7 Why is Jacoby playing better? I think Jacoby trusts the system a little bit more.

Speaker 7 I think Jacoby just gets the play call, wants to operate the play call to the very best of the play call, and is willing to allow the defense to tell him where to throw the ball.

Speaker 7 He's much obviously less reliant on doing some of this stuff, like going and being a playmaker.

Speaker 7 He just wants to be a facilitator, where Kyler's such a dynamic athlete that if he doesn't necessarily think the play call gets the line of scrimmage is going to be that ideal call or doesn't necessarily trust some of the past concepts, he believes that athletically he can go make a play.

Speaker 7 And he's more often than not accurate, but it's not necessarily the best thing for the offense, right? To get everybody involved.

Speaker 7 And so I just think Jacoby, because he's not a ridiculous athlete, has much more of a facilitator mindset. And this is an offense that talented.
I like Mike Wilson. They're second receiver.

Speaker 7 Marvin Harrison's had a much better performance than I think that Thursday night game. He had those big plays late.
I think Herbie was on the call, if I remember that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, had a drop earlier, hit rock bottom, then came back at the end.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's been much more productive. And so I think as a whole, Jacoby's just, this offense seems to be much more in rhythm this year with him as quarterback.

Speaker 1 And McBride's an animal.

Speaker 1 I sure. He does.
Yeah, he is. He'll be all over the place tonight.
And his energy is spectacular. He is must-watch.
Let's go to the Dallas Cowboys side of this entire thing.

Speaker 1 You were obviously a mile down the road with first take. Cowboys fans feel however they feel in the moment.
What are their expectations for tonight?

Speaker 1 And how do you think Jerry World looks tonight against the Cardinals?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, this place would be rocking tonight.

Speaker 7 I think the expectations are almost every game, they have to go score 38 to 40 to win. I mean, Arizona is going to control this game from an offensive perspective.

Speaker 7 And so if you're Dak in this offense, the challenge against Arizona's defense with Jonathan Gannon, kind of their head coach and defensive play caller, is like, you often don't necessarily know what you're going to get.

Speaker 7 This is one of the defenses in the NFL that has...

Speaker 7 Like, you don't necessarily have a consistency from guys. Guys will often be where they're not supposed to be.

Speaker 7 And you can't, as a quarterback, get to a line of scrimmage and be like, I know it's cover three or I know it's cover two.

Speaker 7 You're kind of looking at it going, I don't know if this is two or three or is it invert or

Speaker 7 is this safety in the middle field or is he on the backside hash? And so it's a very unorthodox coverage unit. Buddha Baker is a safety that,

Speaker 7 you know, I call them liars. They just do things you're not supposed to do.
And so there'll be some good matchups on the perimeter.

Speaker 7 But I think the middle of the field is going to be a huge storyline tonight. Can Arizona confuse Dallas a little bit with some of their unique coverages?

Speaker 1 Okay, so it sounds like you like Arizona. You said that at the beginning.
I'll be excited to watch NFL Live when you add in some more film for your argument.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about week nine, NFL Slate as a whole. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Dano, I believe it was you who came on last week and we were talking about the Steelers defense and we were talking about how much they've been trying to disguise and putting themselves in bad positions.

Speaker 4 This week they trade for Kyle Dugger, so he's new at safety. Jalen Ramsey's got to go back and play safety because of injuries.
They simplified everything. They played fast.

Speaker 4 What did you see from them on the tape?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 7 two things. Number one, the simplification, absolutely.
They did way less post-snap movement and trying to over-rotate and stuff.

Speaker 7 And then the second thing is attached to that, the defensive line went.

Speaker 7 at the offense much more than caught people.

Speaker 7 I talked about that where defense, when it came to stopping the run, they were just kind of catching guys and catching guys. This time, you just saw dudes just firing off the ball.

Speaker 7 Highsmith firing off the ball. Harmon firing off the ball.
Cam firing off the ball. I think the most telling schematic thing is this, Tone.

Speaker 7 The number one aggressive offense throwing the football in early downs this year has been the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 7 They've been by far the team that wanted to throw the ball in early downs, and they were really good at it. Thank you.

Speaker 7 See, Pittsburgh was very smart in regards to, they played some third down coverages on early downs. So you saw like first and 10 clips where they would run cover two man.

Speaker 7 Cover two man is a traditionally like third and obvious passing situation, two safeties deep, man to man underneath. You got to get 12 yards to get a first down.
Pittsburgh did that on early downs.

Speaker 7 And so it was the awareness of Indy wants to throw the football. Okay, they want to throw the football on early downs.
Let's commit to playing coverage on those downs. Pass rush guys on the perimeter.

Speaker 7 Those guys weren't playing the run there. TJ's not playing the run there on first and 10.
And so I thought that from Pittsburgh's perspective was very smart.

Speaker 7 They were going to say, hey, on early downs, we're going to defend the run. We're going to commit to playing with Cheebris and pass rushers,

Speaker 7 go get the B-pass rushers.

Speaker 1 I appreciate what you're saying, that they, it was just great strategy and scheme and everything like that.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if you heard Tone Diggs say it, but he said in the middle of your answer that Dick LeBeau probably went down and put on the headset. Did you see the 2005 team was in the building?

Speaker 1 And did you immediately like me understand that the Pittsburgh Steelers boys, who were trying to impress the Pittsburgh Steelers, brand new Pittsburgh Steelers, probably want to play a little bit more Pittsburgh Steelers football because that's what it felt like as I was watching the game as a Colts fan thinking to myself, what the hell is this team doing?

Speaker 1 This is what the Steelers are supposed to look like. This is not what they've been all year.
It was a surprise, Dano, for me.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree.
From at least a defensive perspective, I didn't know that they were in the building. That's pretty sweet.
But, you know, I think that's some research.

Speaker 7 If this is who they could be, now here's the caveat. Like, I want to applaud them.
There's no doubt.

Speaker 7 And tip of the hat played well, but they've got those two wins this year that are really only about the takeaways and so yes they're they're awesome and if you're going to bank on those great but they're still is you want to see more consistency with playing dominant brand of football a dominant defensive brand of football absolutely big time performance getting the takeaways is huge i'm not concerned if i'm a colts fan i don't love the way my tackles played if i'm a colts fan i don't love that but they're elite rushers that you're dealing with um you know what are the interceptions batted up in the air i'm not not going to kill the quarterback over that.

Speaker 7 The fumble, there's not a ton that he can do about that. The TJ watch drip sat.
So I'm not overly concerned if I'm the Colts.

Speaker 7 This was a little bit more of an aberration for me than, oh my gosh, Daniel Jones reverting back.

Speaker 1 Great word out of you. Honestly, that was a phenomenal word out of you right there.
Abarition right there. I'll certainly try to use it in a sentence.
Tommy Maddox also in the building.

Speaker 1 He's

Speaker 1 left off the list. I mean, madman.
Bobby Gunn looked good. Yeah, he did look pretty good.
I mean, all the boys looked good, including Jeff Reed, skipper in there in the middle of of number three.

Speaker 1 He's in the middle of all the staff. I like that player: staff, staff, staff, staff, staff.
Jeff Reed, staff, staff, staff in there.

Speaker 1 I like the way Jeffrey made a lot of huge kicks in a very, very difficult place. A lot of studs on that team back in the building.

Speaker 1 Okay, question here before the hard out from Con Man about you know quarterback player right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Dano, it feels like last year we had this conversation: like, hey, this might be the greatest, you know, QB draft class first round that we've ever seen.

Speaker 2 And now, you know, we're 27 games, give or take, into some of these careers, some less, some more.

Speaker 2 Do you think last year, the 2024 class between Caleb, you know, Jaden, May, Pennix, McCarthy, and Bo will go down as one of the best ever? Because if you're just looking at the

Speaker 2 AFC right now, it is loaded with talent.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, they're obviously going to have to go win championships. It's very similar to the...
What is it, the 18 class that has like Josh, Lamar, Baker, Sam. They're all in the same class, right?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 7 yeah, I mean, Caleb was really

Speaker 7 impressive yesterday when it came to making some broken plays. And then obviously the throw to win the game was outstanding.

Speaker 7 Jaden Daniels, it's terrible what happened to him because absolutely no need for him to be in that game. And it's really been a disaster in Washington all offseason.

Speaker 7 Drake was, Drake doesn't blink. Drake May just doesn't flinch.

Speaker 7 He's unflappable with the way that he plays the game. The same with J.J.
McCarthy. J.J.
wasn't perfect yesterday, but that dude just does not blink in moments. Same with Bo Nix.

Speaker 7 He plays his best football when it's needed the most. And so I think the guy that's still a question mark out there is probably Michael Penix.

Speaker 7 And how good can Pennix get specifically versus man coverage? Can they move him a little bit more? It's too stationary for me. But it's a really impressive class so far.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think we all believe Caleb's going to be good.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 he's still crazy talented. I would still go back to yesterday.
He made so many many plays out of pocket and out of structure. You're encouraged by that.

Speaker 7 And then when it was needed, he made a big time, big time throw to win the game.

Speaker 1 Colston Loveland, too. He's untackleable.
Yeah. They threw all Cincinnati at him, nobody could get him back.

Speaker 7 Cincinnati hasn't tackled in three years, man.

Speaker 1 This show will continue digitally. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.
We'll be back tomorrow overreacting to everything. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.

Speaker 1 It might change our life. Goodbye.
We're still live, Dano. We're still live.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Last question here, here, Dano, from Ty Schmidt, Green Bay Packers fan, who, hey, listen, Caroline Panthers, good football team. That's a great football team.

Speaker 3 That's a great football team. I see you shaking your head, Dan.
You know, that's a great football team. But I'm just curious, why is Jordan Love the way he is?

Speaker 3 Because like one week, like last week, Sunday night, he has that game against the Steelers, and you're thinking, okay, this is a guy that can lead this team to a Super Bowl without a doubt.

Speaker 3 And then, I mean, just not great yesterday, obviously. I think a lot of people think Matt LaFleur has something to do with that.

Speaker 3 You know, third and 11, calling bubble screens every single time or throwing it, you know, 85 yards down the field. Doesn't really have a play in between those two.

Speaker 3 And then they lose Tucker Kraft for the rest of the year, too, who has been their really only reliable playmaker week in and week out.

Speaker 3 I guess, how concerned should I be about the Packers moving forward?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm concerned. Three reasons why yesterday is such an immature performance.
Thank you.

Speaker 7 Let's just call it what it is. It's immature.
Number one, if you guys have the clip, show the very first snap of the game for the Packers offense. Okay, very first snap of the game.

Speaker 7 He's going to have a tight end. You're calling the play to see if you can get the tight end crossing the field from his left to right.
There's a little ball fake. The tight end's wide open.

Speaker 7 At worst, it's going to be a 40-yard game. Jordan makes the play fake, moves out of the pocket unnecessarily.
He's looking completely opposite side of the field. And my note is, where are your eyes?

Speaker 7 And I know, I don't know everything that's going on in the room, but I know how that offense is taught.

Speaker 7 And you're taught, dude, if you get a backside tight end with a little bit of a attention route and you get a crosser and the backside of the defense is a little bit low, peek it.

Speaker 7 Just peek to see if they stay low because then you could throw it. So right there, I'm like, Jordan, where are your eyes? Okay, that's number one.

Speaker 7 The inconsistency of his eyes yesterday were concerning. The inconsistency of the decision making, he has two balls that he just are effica.
I'm launching it deep. Why?

Speaker 7 Why? Why are we, it's first and 10. Look at his mechanics.

Speaker 7 This is Jordan. He's too good of a player to do this stuff.
It's first and 10. It's almost like he dropped back.
They came from the sidelines and he was like, hey, I call this up. You throw it.
Okay.

Speaker 7 So that's my concern is like that's he's too good of a player to do to play the way he did yesterday decision-making wise. I think the second thing is this.

Speaker 7 I love Matt LaFleur. Okay.
I feel like we're trending towards a direction where we're too dependent on creativity. Like we'll out-scheme or out-create things for people.

Speaker 7 Sometimes it is about just going and calling basic plays and out-executing people or out-physicaling people. And there's so much of this, like, look how cool this design is.
And I love that.

Speaker 7 He's outstanding. He's an unbelievable coach.
But sometimes I'm like, we can just line up and run normal plays occasionally instead of. And I feel like they're too dependent on that.

Speaker 7 And then I think the third thing is this, and I've been saying this all year, Ty, this team cannot go to the Super Bowl with this offensive line play right now. Yes.
They can't.

Speaker 7 They are getting physically beat one-on-one far too often. And I don't know if the quarterback play and decision-making is a little bit attached to that, because that usually is the case.

Speaker 7 But this offensive line has been suspect all year, and they've skated by with it.

Speaker 7 Unless it gets better, they're not going to go be who they should be from a team goal perspective.

Speaker 3 Never mind the Super Bowl. They might not make the playoffs if they can.

Speaker 1 Oh, Ty, it's a Reaction Monday.

Speaker 3 No, the problem, like Dan said, LaFlor doesn't have these fucking guys ready to play any week, ever.

Speaker 3 They play like shit in the first half, every single week, no matter what, or at least the offense does. And then it takes a miraculous effort.
Like, look at the Steelers game.

Speaker 3 They scored three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Like, they just, it's so lackadaisical.
I think they just think, hey, we're so talented. We can out-scheme anybody.

Speaker 3 They're never ready to play ever. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 All right. Good luck.
It's a good football team.

Speaker 3 Carolina is a good football team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Last thing before we let you go. It's almost like you're a super genius.
It's almost like you're a super genius. Stafford will be in MVP talks by Thanksgiving.
Okay, I like that.

Speaker 1 We like Matthew Stafford. We just talked to his high school best friend, Clayton Kershaw, just won World Series in his retirement year.
Matthew Stafford drafted the same year as I.

Speaker 1 He's an old-ass man right now doing what he's doing. He's special.
The Devontae Adams relationship, crazy. Puka Beck, crazy.
Everything.

Speaker 7 Did you see the no-looker to Devontae yesterday?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, to the right, like that. And then the social media camera somehow has perfectly in line with where he's throwing it.

Speaker 1 So you see the perfection of his head looking this way, drawing the linebacker that way. He's special.
The guy's insane. But what the issue with your tweet is, he's currently fourth in like right

Speaker 1 current odds. And he was last week, too.
I think the week before that. So you're like, by Thanksgiving, it's like, yeah, brother, Thanksgiving's come early.
He's fucking in it right now.

Speaker 1 How crazy is that as you look at this 2025 season that Matthew Stafford is playing the way he is? And what are your thoughts on all of the odds here? Drake May sitting in number two for the MVP odds.

Speaker 1 Go ahead and take a kind of a gander at the whole thing.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I have no idea about odds, so I had no idea where Matthew ranked. So that's my being completely honest as always.

Speaker 1 Okay, hey, hey, hold on, hold on. So shortest odds here, plus 175, odds on favorite, whenever people say that.
So that's Josh Allen, plus 175. That's most likely.

Speaker 1 So if you were to put 100 bucks on that, you'd only win 175. So it's not a lot of money because they're predicting that this is the most likely outcome.
Jared Goff down to bottom, plus 2,500.

Speaker 1 You bet 100 bucks, you win $2,500. $2,500 there.
So they're thinking it's a little longer odds. This is a little bit of a longer take, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 So plus $175, smaller, obviously, than plus $2,500. Smaller the odds, the more likely the outcome from the sports book's eyes.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so I think that Drake May, I would still have as my number one MVP right now.

Speaker 1 I was getting into this.

Speaker 7 I was getting into this, and I'm not saying this. It comes across disrespectfully.
I'm not saying this in this regard.

Speaker 7 But even this morning, Cowboys fans were yelling at me about it and this and that. I said, name me the starting wideouts for New England.
And they were like, oh, good point.

Speaker 7 And that's, dude, Steph is playing really good. And Booty has been outstanding.
Pop Douglas.

Speaker 7 But if we're just looking at that list that you just had, I mean, Drake May, again, was absolutely fantastic yesterday.

Speaker 7 Outside of that ball, you know, he sails that ball to Jesse Bates for the interception.

Speaker 7 But if we're just looking at quarterback play right now, guys that are playing really good, that's a beautiful throw. That's a beautiful throw.

Speaker 1 He did drop a ball.

Speaker 7 Yeah, if we're looking at like quarterback play, quarterbacks that are playing really good, right? Like if you look at Josh Allen, I would not have Josh at one.

Speaker 7 Josh was really good yesterday, but I just, that was the best game he's played all season. But like Matthew's got two.
outstanding receivers. Baker's got like four outstanding receivers.

Speaker 7 They're all playing great, but Drake May is playing as good as he's playing with a receiving core that's not nearly as talented as a lot of the other quarterbacks playing at high level.

Speaker 7 Matthew Stafford, though,

Speaker 7 what he's doing right now is absolutely fantastic. I remember the offseason, people were saying the Rams should trade him and start anew.
What a crazy thing to say.

Speaker 7 Oh my gosh, we should be concerned about the back. What a crazy thing to say.

Speaker 1 I think this is clearly one of the best teams in football.

Speaker 7 It's one of the best past games in football.

Speaker 7 I think the thing that stands out to me, and obviously I have a little bit of a past with him, I have such a great appreciation for Matthew because when I was with Matthew 10, 12 years ago, he was still such a talented thrower of the football, but mechanically a little bit inconsistent.

Speaker 7 He has worked so hard to become repetitive and repetitive and repetitive.

Speaker 7 And so he's merged this like really natural talent throwing the football with this maniacal obsession with being mechanically sound. their pass game is so on rhythm and so on point.

Speaker 7 The timing of his throws, these balls are out of his hands so quickly and they're to the perfect place placement-wise. And so you got those two receivers out there with their tight ends.

Speaker 7 I think that's one of the reasons why they're such a dangerous play action passing offense because Matthew is just so consistent with his mechanics nowadays, man.

Speaker 1 BA said that's a joy to watch. Hey, B.A.
said that he was the only quarterback that he would go out and watch warm up. He's like, I want want to go watch Matthew Stafford warm up.

Speaker 1 And when he played against the Colts, it's a show in of itself whenever he's throwing a ball because he'll feather one over a guy's hand. And this guy will be full jump.
This is no look.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 the gross, dude. Fudging gross, dude.
Fudging. Dude, that ball

Speaker 7 is 30 yards downfield over two or three. Look at this guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's damn near 42. And remember the offseason, he had a back or a super dupe or something.
This is the clone of Matthew Stafford. Remember, this is a clone of him.

Speaker 1 Devontae Adams, touchdown distances, they're setting him up like Gronk right now.

Speaker 1 Basically, because Devontae's the two, right, Puka's the one, you're able to get simple coverage on Devontae down in the red zone. So they just have him go and do a two-way go, I assume.

Speaker 1 This is just two-way go. Whatever you want to do, just beat the guy off the line and Stafford's going to find you.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, there's often hand signals or whatnot.

Speaker 7 You know, when we used to do this with Reggie when we were together, and you would tell the receiver, like, hey, you tell me what you're going to run.

Speaker 7 And the receiver would get out there, read leverage. Does he like the corner inside? Does he like him outside? He'd be peeking to safety.
Does he think he's going to get help or not?

Speaker 7 And whatever it is, you know, hey, if I put my right hand to adjust my helmet, my left hand adjusts my helmet, where do I grab my hamstring? Do I touch my waist?

Speaker 7 You'd figure it out week by week what the signal was, but often it's the receiver telling the quarterback what he's going to run.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and having Devontae who's one of the best getoffs, right, in all the football, having him be that guy is insane, especially because they got to respect everything else going on in the offense.

Speaker 1 So literally, you can get a man coverage out there, just like they were able to do with Gronk. They were able to do that.

Speaker 1 And if they take somebody out to go double team them, it's like now you open up everything else. It's

Speaker 1 a fucking hell.

Speaker 7 Their play action game is so deadly, man. Their play action game.
It's that's the thing that is making this offense.

Speaker 7 And I mean, it starts with Matthew and Sean, no doubt, but their commitment to play under center, play action centric. They're committing to protection.
They're giving multiple options downfield.

Speaker 7 The quarterback's got the ability to push the ball downfield in the windows and be crazy accurate and on time.

Speaker 7 They're creating explosives. No quarterback's got more explosive pass plays in the NFL than Matthew at 40 years old.
And it's because of the scheme that they're deploying in those two receivers.

Speaker 7 And Devontae and him have really gotten on the same page. They weren't necessarily a couple weeks ago.
They are now.

Speaker 1 Fun to watch. As are you.
We'll see you at NFL Live. Thank you for joining us from Jerry Room.
Great performance down there in front of the crowd this morning with first. Thank you.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it was cool, man. Those Cowboys fans are out of their minds in a good way.
Irvin, Michael Irvin, is absolutely off the charts. I have no idea how he does it, but it was fun.
It was cool.

Speaker 7 I was thankful to be a part.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a cool show. We enjoyed watching it.
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Speaker 16 Football!

Speaker 1 It's awesome. We're incredibly lucky that we get a chance to chat about it every single day.
I'll tell you what, AJ's in New Jersey right now. We send our positive vibes and love to everybody.

Speaker 1 Darius Butler, obviously, nine-year NFL vet and host of everything DB, Good D, Bad D.

Speaker 1 He's at a high school state golf tournament right now because there are some butlers representing and his daughter is dominating. So he's being great, Dad.
And also, we're losing

Speaker 1 just guys left and right, it seems like the talks table at Boston Connor and Empty Chair. Ladies and gentlemen, hailing from Iowa,

Speaker 1 standing at five foot, ten and a half inches,

Speaker 1 a former Big Pen angler,

Speaker 1 Ty

Speaker 1 Schmidt.

Speaker 1 That a baby tie. I'll tell you what, that was not planned.
Uh, I guess I had quite a break there with a toilet. Sounds like you went really round for round.

Speaker 1 That was a good eight, nine, ten minutes in there. Weren't able to make it back.
Did not know when you were going to get back, so we decided to start the show.

Speaker 3 Uh, what a perfect timing of the end of the the dump there we appreciate you making it back how was it in there 15 round fight in there uh it was pretty that was a fast just fast explosive kind of like a first round knockout but it took all three minutes so if uh you know the thing that you know you were kind of dealing with i don't know if you have any remedies left but i might be coming to you post-show to see oh no that is not a fun no it's not and it's

Speaker 1 i'm it's burning right now yeah and getting to that point is not fun so right the process of getting there is not good being there is not good and then coming out the other side of it is pretty relieving, but it's very scary as well.

Speaker 1 Everything is kind of taking place. So we wish you luck in there, sir.

Speaker 3 I appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Good time to take a break, I guess, after that second hour there.
It sounded like that was maybe a code red as we were getting up and leaving.

Speaker 3 You know, I thought I was going to be okay. And then Dano just kept gushing about Matt Stafford, and it kind of hit me.
And I said, oh, boy, I don't know how long he's going to go here.

Speaker 3 He's got a lot of good things to say about him. I need to just.

Speaker 1 Well, he even said, it goes back for Matthew. Obviously, we have history.
Yeah. You thought he was making making it.

Speaker 3 I thought maybe he's going to go year one, year two, year three, year four. So I had no idea, but luckily, you know, luckily, I was able to make it just in the nick of time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm happy he didn't go. For the sake of everything you got going on of the khaki-colored pants, I'm not believing that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Good seats. I think we're happy with the seats, right? Those would have been ruined.
We'd have to change that. Certainly.
If anything, he kind of sneaks onto the floor. That's a whole entire process.

Speaker 2 Shoes into the shoes, socks.

Speaker 1 Because there is a lot to say about Stafford. He's fourth and odds to win the MVP.
Let's go to one half of the hammer. Don.
Cowboys, AP tone.

Speaker 1 Where are we at for the betting numbers for tonight right before I make my pick?

Speaker 1 I wonder if we should text AJ to get what his pick is. I wonder if he's near his phone right now.
But as I do that, can we get some numbers here for me to think about?

Speaker 1 As, you know, I try to extend my lead over AJ. Holy hell, this is good.

Speaker 1 Wow. Neither of us great.
Me a little bit better. Love it.
So it doesn't matter what he picks.

Speaker 1 We would end up with me getting a win over him, but not a win over the book. What are the numbers saying about tonight's game?

Speaker 4 So tonight, three and a half. The Cowboys are favorites at home.
There is still one three out there.

Speaker 4 So if you are interested in taking the Dallas Cowboys, there is still a three out there, but they are disappearing. Those threes are disappearing and going up to three and a half because 75%

Speaker 4 of the public is on the Dallas Cowboys. They like the Dallas Cowboys tonight.
They know that they can play at home. They know the offense.

Speaker 4 You look at the Cardinals' record, what it is, and they just see a shitty team when really they've lost every single game by one score or less. Um, but that's where the numbers are at tonight.

Speaker 1 And what is the uh record right now for public money?

Speaker 4 Uh, so for this week, it was five and six for teams.

Speaker 1 So, still not winning, okay, no, but not losing as bad, right?

Speaker 4 Correct. I don't think there's been a winning week yet, if I remember correctly.
I think five and six this week, five and six last week for teams that are getting 60% or more of the bets.

Speaker 4 So, it's it's getting better, but we're not there yet.

Speaker 1 Okay, they always fucking win, they do, They always win, don't they? A little bit too much, I'd say. Uh-oh.
People are starting to look into that. They are.

Speaker 1 Because every time I make a pick, I think it's right. Something has to go wrong.
Yeah, of course it does. What if they're working against you solutive?

Speaker 1 75% is a lot of people. It's a lot of people.
Ton.

Speaker 4 Especially Cowboys fans.

Speaker 1 I'm going for the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Okay. Plus three and a half.
I like it.

Speaker 1 They're a good football team. I saw them.
Real life. Very tough football team, too.
There's a lot of injuries. They had a lot of injuries whenever they played us, and they continue to fight.

Speaker 4 Just good at losing in the end.

Speaker 2 And maybe an Aubrey 70-yarder, you know, reset the record to win by one. Oh, that'd be sick.

Speaker 1 If we get a new record here, just one day later. Cam Little out of Arkansas for the Jacksonville Jaguars in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 Some would say perfect place to hit it because of the altitude and the air and everything. All Cam Little says is who cares? How much time's left? One second.

Speaker 1 Let me go ahead and bomb one from the other side of the field real quick. Hey, which upright are you kicking at? That one? No, that one.
The one that's further away.

Speaker 1 NFL record for Cam Little, who hit a 70-yarder, obviously, this preseason. And the game has changed with these dudes.
These dudes bomb balls. Cam Little.

Speaker 1 Okay, obviously last name being Little, but I don't think he's like necessarily biggest or tallest kicker that's out there either. I am very fascinated by how strong this guy's leg is.

Speaker 1 His leg speed has to be so insane that he's able to make up for the pure force of the bigger lad. You know, you think about designated hitters or any good hitters.
That's like kind of generated stuff.

Speaker 1 Usually bigger bodies, stronger bodies. Think about golf who's driving the shit out of the ball.
You know, a little bit bigger bodies.

Speaker 1 Bryson DeChambeau was eating eight protein shakes a day so he could get bigger and stronger so that he could hit the ball further.

Speaker 1 Like everything that's explosive normally with a lot of mass and explosion. Cam Little, not like a massive dude.

Speaker 1 bombs the ball and the fact that he can bring in his own game ball uh from practice that's beat up a little bit special talent and i'm so pumped for liam cohen liam Cohen said, it was like we won a Super Bowl in that moment.

Speaker 1 Everybody was very happy. Everybody knew what was at stake.
Everybody knew what happened.

Speaker 1 And then, oh, yeah, they'd also go on to win this game in overtime because the Raiders would say, you know what, for the good of football, we won't kick the extra point and tie this with 18 seconds in overtime.

Speaker 1 So it was a spectacular game. Cam Little's kick was awesome.
And yeah, maybe Aubrey answers tonight with a 69 yard and he's got to start crawling up the board.

Speaker 4 He's listed at 6'1, 172. So he's a wiry fellow.

Speaker 1 Very rotten. Just like Harrison Butker, we will be chit-chatting with Cam Little tomorrow morning.
Okay. We will air tomorrow on the show.
Obviously, that man is

Speaker 1 very good at his job. So is Boz.

Speaker 4 Right down the middle every time. He's so good.
Please set your watch to it.

Speaker 1 He wanted an extra $25,000 before the season. You guys said, nope, Cam Doo.

Speaker 4 That's not true. true.

Speaker 1 I mean, the notion is.

Speaker 4 I believe he did, was looking for a bit of a bump, but he'll get it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys say you're going to have to go prove it. And Boss said, you got all I do is make kicks.
And he literally, that's all he does.

Speaker 4 The only one he's missed this year. Sorry, he's missed two.
One was blocked, and then the second one, his foot went to the center of the earth.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because Akrisher. Yeah.
Which, once again, I don't love you guys did that to Jonathan Taylor. People paying good money to watch him play football.

Speaker 4 That's homefield advantage.

Speaker 1 And boy, were the insers out. They were excited.
Got a lot of messages. A lot of messages.
I saw one of those. Yeah, somebody sent me a video.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot going on. There's a lot going on yesterday.
Anytime, you know, you play against Pittsburgh or the University of Pittsburgh, there's going to be a lot of chatter from a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh is a chatter town. Okay, a lot of chatter town.

Speaker 1 I do respect and appreciate the McAfee jerseys that were roaming around Pittsburgh because I would like to think that at this stage, people who are Steelers fans will also say, okay, might actually be a conversation starter back in Pittsburgh, which is a hell of an honor as a kid who's very proud to be a Yinser still to this day.

Speaker 1 on that note need the colts to win one of these games get snapped yeah okay i i'm gonna need it i'm gonna need it personally for my life on a day-to-day basis because when i'm playing in that game not good okay we lose by a lot i have one of the biggest games of my life

Speaker 1 completion go ahead and do a little this do my big dick dance keep it moving

Speaker 1 we lose by 20. can't even Can't even really celebrate it.
And that's when I knew I just had the best game I've ever had and we lost by a bunch.

Speaker 1 Maybe I have no control over anything that's kind of happening out here. This is not fun.

Speaker 1 Standing on the sidelines doing it, but the Pittsburgh Steelers need to lose to the Colts at some point for the good of my life. And I have not given up hope on this Indianapolis Colts team.

Speaker 1 I was even watching that game saying to myself, tomorrow, I'm not going to be ridiculous. I'm not going to be dramatic.
I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to give up hope completely.

Speaker 1 That would be stupid. They're seven and two right now.
Seven and two. They lead the fucking AFC still.
This team has a chance to be great.

Speaker 1 But boy, what the fuck happened against that Steelers defense?

Speaker 1 Then you automatically go into the conversation where the steelers like very very good because if you lose to a good team i think it's much easier a pill to swallow you lose to a bad team which a lot of people think the panthers are a bad team which is why packers are doing that but we must remind people so good footballers are good football if you lost to the packers hey you know the packers have lost to the panthers and the browns and then they tied the cowboys i mean that's good

Speaker 1 good football teams there good football teams they can get you you know those are some good football teams the steelers are really great football teams is my takeaway from yesterday And if they continue to play that way, AFC North is theirs.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go to some overreactions, shall we?

Speaker 1 It is a great honor to be able to read these each week. You know, kind of giving a voice to the words that are thought in the minds of NFL fans all around the league.
I sent out a bird call.

Speaker 1 I say, hey, listen, go ahead and

Speaker 1 let me hear it. You know, how are you guys feeling about the state of your team? Is everything going great? Is everything going ass? Everything in between?

Speaker 1 I can't wait to hear it just so we can go boots on the ground in these fan bases a little bit. And you will not be judged for it.
No, no, you'll actually be celebrated.

Speaker 1 The best posts on X, it became a number one trend in the United States. We appreciate everybody participating.
The best ones in Ty Schmidt's eyes will make the show.

Speaker 1 All you have to put in the post is. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact.
But

Speaker 1 let's get to it. Yeah, this one is from an AP Tone Diggs.
Hashtag I don't want to overreact. But the 2005 Steelers will now be responsible for two Super Bowls.
2005 and boom, 2025.

Speaker 1 They came in and reminded the boys what it means to wear black and gold. Everything has changed.
Couldn't be more back.

Speaker 1 Obviously on the hunt for seven, you love the Pittsburgh Steelers. And Seven does the hand gesture

Speaker 1 of love. Yeah, whenever he got caught.
And I like that he had to give way to Bus. Okay.
He did. Bus was the final because on that particular team, that team was on a run for Jerome Bettis.

Speaker 1 What would happen after that particular run is Ben Rothesberger would go on to be the longest tenured Pittsburgh Steeler of all time.

Speaker 1 So anytime there's an introduction type thing, Ben should be the last. This guy is the longest tenured and has won and still lives there.

Speaker 1 So, you know, so him having to give way to Jerome Bettis, I thought was very cool. I thought that was a very cool thing just because of the respect that everybody had for him.
But you're right.

Speaker 1 That 2005 team, I think, potentially sparked a little bit more interest in performing well from people on the current Pittsburgh Steeler team.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think it did too. And Joey Porter Jr.
talked about it after the game, how his dad was saying, like, hey, all my boys are going to be here this week, and you better not embarrass me.

Speaker 4 You better make a play. And he did to end it.

Speaker 4 And like you, I decided that moving forward, I'm not going to live and die with every single week. Okay.
Teams are good. Teams are bad.
Sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose.

Speaker 4 This team is going to be a good team. They're going to be there in the end.
And that's how I'm going to be the rest of the season, okay? I'm not going to overreact.

Speaker 1 Well, we're winning the Super Super.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 all right. Okay, I didn't know.
I didn't know where you're headed there at the end. I didn't know if you were thinking, that's one good week.
I need to see it again.

Speaker 1 Or if you're going the complete opposite direction, which is we're going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I love that that was the way you chose. That's what Mondays are supposed to be like after a win.
Exactly.

Speaker 4 Especially because the last two weeks have been so miserable. And you try to come in, you try to put on a smile, and you don't let people know that it's eating you inside.

Speaker 4 But now you don't have to do that this week. It's so nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but now we know in future weeks. Yeah.
Oh, man. This guy's going through it.

Speaker 1 All right, let's go to the next one, shall we? Congrats to you guys. Here's from Boston Connor.
Hashtag I don't want to react. But

Speaker 1 this guy is the difference. Can't believe he is the Patriots head coach slash supreme leader.
Shout out to the crafts for cutting bait with Mayo after one year because Vrabel was available.

Speaker 1 They're seven and two. Con man, Vrabel culture shift completely felt, you feel like? Not only with the Patriots, but the entire region, maybe? Yeah, without a doubt.

Speaker 2 And it's just like his attitude on the sideline, which is so great because it is still a young team. So a lot of times mistakes will happen throughout the game.

Speaker 2 And, you know, they'll come over and Vrabel's basically saying, like, hey,

Speaker 2 come on, lighten up a little. And it's as small as, you know, the Patriots not finishing in the red zone and just kicking a field goal instead of scoring a touchdown.

Speaker 2 And Vrabel's still hyping the boys up. Him celebrating.
That photo was from him celebrating with Stephon Diggs after his second touchdown. Yeah, the guy that

Speaker 2 Drake Majors threw it to, Pop Douglas, his, you know, his uncle passes away on Saturday night. He goes out there, still plays his ass off on Sunday.

Speaker 2 I believe there's a similar situation with the Chargers player as well. And it feels like those types of places, players wanting to be there and perform whether

Speaker 2 no matter what's going on around them, I feel like that's a good reflection of the leaders inside those organizations.

Speaker 2 And Vrabel and Harbaugh and those two examples, but just having one of those for New England. has been the biggest difference.
And, you know, here's Bohem truck that guy.

Speaker 2 I mean, Pop Douglas played his ass off. It's someone new every single week, too.
And everyone on the team has confidence. This juke move was ridiculous as well.

Speaker 2 Cardi B was in the building getting crazy with Bob Kraft up there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw that. And I saw some videos from previous Super Bowl parties with Cardi B and Kraft in the past.
I guess

Speaker 1 they've been friends a long time.

Speaker 1 Kraft and Cardi B, obviously friends for a long time. Her getting up, hyping up the crowd.
Stephon Diggs is a New England patriot, and nobody really even talks about it.

Speaker 1 Just kind of like, hey, he goes about his work. He does his thing.
He's been great for that team. I assume Vrabel's very happy that he is there.
And I saw Cardi B and Stephon Diggs do an interview.

Speaker 1 Cardi B did an interview. Stephon Diggs was there.

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 1 they are

Speaker 1 big time manager. Hey, it really does.
Like, you know, everybody talks about these celebrity relationships. It's like everybody judges it.
They look incredibly happy. They love love.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we love love around here. They look incredibly happy.

Speaker 1 Not easy for humans at certain levels of life, especially with everything they've been through, to find people that they can kind kind of trust or relate and everything like that, which is why we're so happy, happy for Travis and Taylor.

Speaker 1 Like, so happy for them.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, that's not easy to find anybody that you can kind of drive with and get along with and understand and speak the same, you know, language and everything, especially with life experiences that have taken place.

Speaker 1 So good for them. Nobody really talks about it.
No, no. Nobody really talks about it.

Speaker 1 Nobody talks about him being up in New England, even though he's a superstar and will probably make a massive play. at some point when a game has to happen.
Stephon Diggs will do something crazy.

Speaker 1 Remember, he is responsible for the Minneapolis miracle miracle

Speaker 1 that shut down the entire internet as soon as it happens. It feels like everything kind of under the radar up there in New England.

Speaker 1 And whenever these primetime games at the end of the season start happening, which I assume will take place, everybody's going to be like, wow, wow, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 It's like, yes, this team has been like this. And you kind of expected it as soon as Varable was the projected head coach.

Speaker 2 It definitely wasn't even to this level. Like, I was trying to kind of talk myself into nine wins.
I might have said multiple times they're going to win 12 games. Did I mean that?

Speaker 2 No, I would not say that. But now

Speaker 2 it's hard not to argue that. But Cardi Beach, I think that was the first game she's been at.
She is about to give birth to Stefan Diggs and hers baby.

Speaker 2 So I assume she's there for that in the coming weeks. And then, yeah, with Vrabel, I mean,

Speaker 2 it kind of goes back to everything that Bob Kraft and the Kraft family have done after Belichick. Now they are kind of, they aren't, but they could kind of take a victory lap.

Speaker 2 But I'm glad they're not. And I'm glad we're just focused on Vrabel and the team.

Speaker 1 Well, they bring Kenny Chesney in. Yeah.
Come on, honey. That's not a bad idea.
Uh-huh. That's not a bad idea.
But they had a hell of a night Saturday. Yeah, can't we all get along?

Speaker 1 We got a long, long way to go.

Speaker 1 Scared and in, scared of that.

Speaker 1 We ain't perfect, but we try.

Speaker 1 Always give

Speaker 1 another,

Speaker 1 buy a boat, drink a beer, sing a song. Can't we all get along? We nailed it.
Yeah. We got there.
We landed the plane. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 it was one of those water boats because we're laying in the house. Oh, that's good.
Yeah, that's what we did right there. Man, we shut off the engine.
We're kind of cruising.

Speaker 1 Wherever we go. Here we are.
And now we're about to take back off. Next overreaction, shall we? This one comes from Tom's Petty.
Okay, this guy's a petty fella. I respect that.
At Tommy Hornbuckle.

Speaker 1 Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But the Buffalo Beals are back.
Patriots better win every game until the rematch because we are on your ass. We're not going to run the table.

Speaker 1 We're going to light it on fire and elbow drop that motherfucker. You know, and that is the thing that they do up there.
They do elbow drop tables on a regular basis. They've already had their buy.

Speaker 1 They're sitting at 6-2. New England Patriots are at 7-2.
New England Patriots, because they have one more win than the Buffalo Beals, are obviously the top of the AFC East.

Speaker 1 It's great to be back in that position if you asked the New England Patriots fan that didn't expect this. But if you're the Buffalo Bills fans, you should be feeling this way.
This team is remarkable.

Speaker 1 And they did something that I don't think we've seen them do in a long time. They beat up the other team.
That isn't really what you think whenever you think of the Buffalo Bills automatically.

Speaker 1 And I think they're trying to change that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, everyone talks about like, oh, you know, hey, here we go. You know, the regular season champs once again.

Speaker 3 But it's like, this is a massive win for the Bills moving forward.

Speaker 3 The Chiefs, every, you know, you look at power rankings and like that stuff doesn't really mean shit, but a lot of people are saying like, okay, the Chiefs are back.

Speaker 3 This is the best team in the NFL again. They're hitting their stride.
And then like you said, for Buffalo to do it the way they did where they just accosted Mahomes all day, hit the shit out of him.

Speaker 3 If you're a Bills fan, you got to be very excited because you know what you have with Josh Allen and the whole point, you know, the whole early part of the season here, you're kind of just hoping like, hey, the defense just needs to, you know.

Speaker 3 keep coming along bit by bit a little bit.

Speaker 3 And for them to do, you know, that to the Chiefs and them to win that game, that's massive, you know, as we get into November and the most important football now.

Speaker 1 I believe Jordan Poyer will be joining us tomorrow about

Speaker 1 safety. Obviously, he's part of that defense that just did what they did to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Can't wait to catch up with him. Let's go to the next overreaction.
This one's from the NFC North.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh, from Nathan Tonks. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact.

Speaker 1 J.J. McCarthy is going to run the North for the next 20 years.
KOC got his guy, and now it's over for everyone. All JJ has ever done is win games.

Speaker 1 And with this Vikings team getting healthy, there isn't a thing anyone can do to stop it. See you in February.
Bad boys for life, JJ and KOC. Ty, you picked this one.

Speaker 1 Tone, do you think this is an accurate prediction about JJ and KOC's run together? Maybe not this season, but the next 10 years, JJ McCarthy, KOC. What have we said about KOC?

Speaker 1 He can drop an offense for anybody. JJ McCarthy's got this oozing of machismo at all moments and a leadership ability and a work ethic that I think will make him the best possible version of himself.

Speaker 1 We've seen him make some incredible throws. We've seen him miss a little bit.

Speaker 1 JJ and KOC for the next 10 years is fun to think about.

Speaker 4 I'm glad you asked me about, you know, not just this year and beyond, because he was 14 of 25 for 143 yards, two touchdowns. and an interception.

Speaker 4 His numbers were the exact same, I believe, in that comeback win earlier this season as well. So the numbers have not been great.
It hasn't always looked pretty.

Speaker 4 So if I was someone else in AFC North right now, would I be super nervous? No, but like you said, they can get better in the future. But as of right now, like, I don't even know.

Speaker 4 I don't understand looking at those numbers and looking at the numbers from the whole game, how they scored 27 points.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the 27 points is certainly fascinating. And block kick, I do believe, with a scoop for a long run.
A turnover, I believe there was one.

Speaker 1 Monty fumbled, I think, and then they were able to get good field position. And so you didn't have to gain that many yards, you know, because you start looking around.

Speaker 1 There isn't a lot of numbers for that entire game.

Speaker 14 Aaron Jones played pretty well.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw.

Speaker 4 You see, he was back.

Speaker 1 Who? Ass in cheeks.

Speaker 14 Easy, okay.

Speaker 1 Hold on. I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 Gibbs had 25 yards and Montgomery had 40, so that's ass in cheeks.

Speaker 1 No, who said it? Did Foxy say that? No, Foxy's ass in check.

Speaker 14 I did not say that. The internet may be saying that.
I did not say that. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 The internet's. This Jameer Gibbs was in MVP conversations a week ago.
Monty just scored a tie.

Speaker 14 I mean, what do we? Yeah, listen, I don't like it one bit. J.J.
McCarthy's getting a lot of credit. He played fine.
Okay, he didn't do a lot, but he won the the game.

Speaker 14 But let me say this, the Vikings' defense, if they were ever gone, they're all the way back. That Vikings' defense was incredible.
The game plan was incredible. The coaching was incredible.

Speaker 14 What they did to the Lions, stopped the run, and then they pressured Goff, and it was over. He was never comfortable the entire game.

Speaker 14 That defense was outstanding, and then JJ made the plays that had to be made.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. And that's what he does.
I think that's a cut of his gym. That's why he wears the sweet pants.
And I did see him meditating on the field again.

Speaker 1 Don't get bullied into not doing your shit, JJ. You do whatever the fuck you want to do, JJ, to be good.
It's your show, brother. We're literally here to watch you.

Speaker 1 That whole stadium is there to watch you do your thing, JJ. And I hope he continues to grow.
And then all that stuff happened. You talk about the game plan and everything.

Speaker 1 And then you're the one that tweeted ass in cheeks. Or who was

Speaker 14 that was not me? Okay, you can check my account. I did not call them, and I never have called them ass in cheeks.
They will always be Sonic and Knuckles to me. I love Jameer.
I love Monty.

Speaker 14 I don't like that that's happening right now.

Speaker 14 But did it look a lot lot like that week one loss where people did call them ass in cheeks? Yes, unfortunately, it looked exactly like that.

Speaker 1 It's a long season. This is going to happen.
Yes, this is going to happen. Jonathan Taylor didn't go crazy either against Pittsburgh Steelers, and he had.
What are they calling him?

Speaker 1 I didn't see anything. MVP Kens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what we're doing. That's what Colts fans are saying because we're supportive of our team.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We don't automatically just immediately go to, well, how can we make this exponentially worse, this little nickname they have here?

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought they were calling him Hold Out because he held out a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 That's what I saw. I did see that as well.
Foxy saw that as well.

Speaker 1 I didn't see that. We're past that, but they need to pay that man his money

Speaker 1 for your way. Were they calling him that? No, they were not.

Speaker 1 This is Foxy's fictitious fairy tale land that he is living in.

Speaker 14 I also saw one about Dan Jones. They were calling him pumpkin, and I didn't like that either.
I wasn't going to call Dan Jones that.

Speaker 3 Out of respect for Dan Jones, the Colts overreaction is pretty good, but

Speaker 1 there's a

Speaker 3 lot of mean stuff said about Dan Jones.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's not Colts people. It's everybody else.
Peter was gone. He's down.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 you do not.

Speaker 1 No, you did not.

Speaker 1 You didn't check their accounts. They were saying, I'm a Colts fan in this.
That's a Giants fan. Okay.

Speaker 1 That is some troll on the air. Speaking of right now, there is somebody acting like they represent our show, sending requests to people to come on our show.

Speaker 1 We don't have at Gmail. emails or any of these things.
You will know if it's coming from us.

Speaker 1 And this is such a select group of people that need to hear this message, but there's multiple people getting messages from fake emails trying to book them on this show we have no idea what they're trying to do to you guys what information they're trying to get from you the emails seem very nice if they were booking for us not a bad job

Speaker 1 the emails are a lot of effort in it to make it look like it's real so there has to be some angle we have no idea what it's for but multiple people have sent it to us so just a very small group there you got to kind of do that but on the colts stuff people are trolling all the time let's go to the overreaction for the colts it's from camden cundiff uh hashtag i don't want to overreact but colts are are dead.

Speaker 1 The so-called best offense in the league can't even beat the plastic curtain.

Speaker 1 And the vaccinated Aaron Rodgers. He's not vaccinated.
He's unvaccinated. Didn't realize Shane Steichen and Daniel Jones were dressing up as Frank Wright in Carson Wentz on Sunday for Halloween.

Speaker 1 That's mean.

Speaker 2 That's good.

Speaker 1 That was good. That's rude.
That's work, Cam.

Speaker 1 It's pretty good. You got to admit, that's pretty darn good.
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 2 That's a great overreaction.

Speaker 1 That's rude. Tying in Halloween to that, too.

Speaker 1 And terrible times. Those were hard times.
Jacksonville Jaguars were dressed up like their fans were dressed up like clons because they were calling the organization a clon show.

Speaker 1 And we just had to beat the team that had their fans in the stands dressing like clons.

Speaker 1 It was cloned.

Speaker 1 And we make the playoffs. We lose the clon.

Speaker 1 The team that is getting openly ridiculed and mocked by their fan base for being asinine and being terrible just knocked us out of the playoffs. What the hell just happened?

Speaker 2 Didn't have a head coach.

Speaker 2 By that point, Urban was already fired.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 That's what we were doing with Frank and Carson. Now, Frank,

Speaker 1 he was a tough, tough deck of cars. Yes, he was.

Speaker 2 Stanford's got some big wins.

Speaker 1 He's crushing it. Let's not even, you know, let's not even think about that.
Stanford's in an interesting place as well.

Speaker 1 But for the Colts, it was an interesting, you know, set of situations, especially even from the hiring all the way through the entire process.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it's a lot different now with Danny Jones than it was with Carson Wentz. No offense.
We love Carson Wentz. Obviously.
It's Carson Wentz's experience. Those were tough times, though, brother.

Speaker 1 Those are hard times.

Speaker 1 Halloween joke in there is pretty good.

Speaker 4 I didn't love the plastic shower curtain ricochet either. Yeah.
And Aaron's immunized, by the way. Okay.
He's not vaccinated.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and there was a chance at that time he potentially could have been. Now, I think it was certainly a poy to get out of the question, but I mean, he did his research.
500-page report.

Speaker 1 Nobody remembers that. Nope.

Speaker 1 For my body, he said.

Speaker 1 Here's a five. He had all these shit.
shit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like one of those flip books.

Speaker 1 This is what my researcher said. Maybe the most amount of research on COVID at the time was in his hand.
Yep. Just to see what would happen.

Speaker 4 A lot more than a lot of people were doing. What?

Speaker 1 It was a crazy time to be alive. We were in the middle of a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 We were in the middle of a lot of stuff then.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I had to get it.

Speaker 1 What an interesting time to be alive.

Speaker 1 That said so much. I mean, Aaron, I think that was when Aaron was logged, uh, basically publicly came out and said, I'm not your pulpit, yeah, basically, and took a big shot of Keil Turner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, for some, yeah, for some. And then there was others that were like, you're right.
Yeah, because we were in the middle.

Speaker 1 I mean, there was a

Speaker 3 Van Diagram.

Speaker 1 This thing, yeah, but it was like waves of people one way versus the other. Yep.
You know, and then there's that middle part where they're kind of sharing.

Speaker 1 And we were just somehow, boom, right in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 Somehow we found our way into that. And hey, on that note, that's part of the conversation.
That's part of having conversation with people. It's history.
That was a wild time to be alive.

Speaker 1 Then he wins the MVP that year

Speaker 1 and the next year.

Speaker 1 Two-time COVID MVP. Yep.
Aaron Roddy. When they tell the story, they're going to have to say that.

Speaker 1 So during the COVID, actually, this is... Two-time.
He was MVP on the field twice. And then also off the field, some people call him an MVP.
Some people call him Morris Human of both time.

Speaker 1 So this is all. He's a valuable patient.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were saying that. They were saying that was a crazy time.
What if he wins it with the Steelers?

Speaker 3 That'd be cool.

Speaker 1 It'd be really cool. Could you imagine that story?

Speaker 4 I just love how mad he is the whole time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he'd go upfield. Yeah,

Speaker 1 the accountability is. Yeah, what was that Quentin Nelson thing about?

Speaker 2 Was he mad at him, too?

Speaker 1 No, when Quentin Nelson came out and gave him the old S Mac. Give him the old OG.

Speaker 4 He said good game. Quentin's a strong guy, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is a strong guy. Yeah, I don't know if I'd want that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that was a good. I mean, he went full, that was full slap right there.
Yeah, he was thinking about going to the back, you know, but quarterbacks back so you never want to hurt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Let's go and take Don't get the paw cheeks.
Let's go and give it a little smack and run here. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Brett Thompson.

Speaker 1 Hashtag: I don't want to overreact.

Speaker 1 The Seahawks are the hardest team in football. That belt-to-ass display in primetime shows exactly why they're the best in the West.

Speaker 1 McDonald has those boys firing on all cylinders: offense, elite, defense, savage,

Speaker 1 making songs bring the lombardi back to pike place i'll tell you what seattle in the super bowl conversation wasn't really happening nationally by a lot of people i watch that commanders game and i just think wow they're big they're fast they're strong and offensively they can score so you you think why not the seattle seahawks and the more and more you watch you think why not the seattle seahawks and then you realize oh the seattle seahawks are in this shit seattle seahawks are in the super bowl conversation and it's like good for the seahawks fans very loyal bunch yeah now there's some times trying times they kick everybody out of the building.

Speaker 1 They paint over the walls. They don't have as much success.
Sam Darnold getting out there. Cooper Cups over there coaching right now because he's not even playing.
They're saying he's helping it all.

Speaker 1 It's like, good for the Seahawks, brother. Good for the Seahawks.

Speaker 4 They don't have any weaknesses, it feels like. Obviously, Darnold in the play action game and because of Kenneth Walker, he's been great in all the weapons they have.

Speaker 4 And then the defense, like, is just, and they do it with four. A lot of time, I saw a stat earlier today.
They have the highest pressure rate with only bringing four in the league.

Speaker 4 So then they could cover on the back end.

Speaker 1 They are, they're a good one. That's a good football team up there.
The Seahawks are really good football team.

Speaker 1 Really good football team. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Guy Eastgate, old East EG32.
Hashtag I don't want to overreact. But the Bears are a team of destiny.

Speaker 1 Ben and Caleb find a fucking way. Finally, dare I say, we might actually be good.
Good, better, best. Never let it rest until your good gets better and your better gets best.
Bear the fuck down.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, love the vibes in the locker room afterwards. Love that long of the chant and everybody being all in.

Speaker 1 You know, that's kind kind of a college feel that they seemingly have as they're building this culture over there. Offense looks great.
Defense hums.

Speaker 1 Special teams going to have to figure that out a little bit, I think.

Speaker 1 Cairo had a pretty bad miss, but it might have just been a miss hit. He has been great for them over the long haul.
But Caleb seemingly finding his way.

Speaker 1 Dan Orlovsky said he needs to be a little bit more structurally sound. Need to be a little bit more in the structure of the offense.

Speaker 1 And if you listen to that, then you would say there's so much more that he can get better at, you know, if that's the case. So good for the Chicago Bears.
They might be for real.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Like even that conversation we just had about the Vikings over the next 10 years with JJ and Kevin O'Connell.
It's like, shit, with Caleb and Ben Johnson.

Speaker 2 It's going to be exciting to see what happens with them. And then even, you know, Jordan Love and LaFleur or whoever they replaced LaFleur with.
But that's kind of the thing.

Speaker 2 That division, you know, we talked about earlier in the program about the NFC West. It's like, hey, that NFC North, just as big of a problem.
They got a lot of good teams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ben Johnson, obviously guru, right? That's what they say. And he'll be around no matter how much success they have.
He's not like he's going to move on from the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 So, Caleb, you would think, will have same offense for a long time here whenever they start having success.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I think like the Bears have already had three wins this year where in the last 15 years, they just lose those games.

Speaker 3 Like, any one of the Bears teams in the last 15 years, this play doesn't happen. You know, just take your pick.
Like, they get down like that, and it's just over. It's heartbreaking.
Here we go again.

Speaker 3 For them to come back, like, they are, you know, they're a scary team if it's close in the fourth quarter now, which is not something you could say about the Bears anytime in the, in the recent, you know,

Speaker 3 I mean, literally like the last 20 years.

Speaker 1 Bear

Speaker 1 down.

Speaker 1 All right, let's go to the next one here from the Carolina Panthers fans at Chris underscore Ryles. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact.
But the Carolina Panthers are a threat to the NFC South.

Speaker 1 I don't have data. I don't have logic.
I've just got a gut feeling and an unhealthy amount of blind faith. Hashtag keep pounding.
Panthers are a good football team.

Speaker 1 Huge win over Green Bay. Bryce Young doing his thing.

Speaker 1 And people are saying Rico Dowdell, not only is he one of the most entertaining people to maybe be playing football right now, might be one of the best football players on earth as we sit at this exact moment.

Speaker 1 He's really helped their offense, obviously, whenever you can run as well as you can. Enrico Dowdell only doing two pumps, getting penalized.
He can only get better and better from this point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and we do have a Mas Gras situation here. It's actually Rico Dowdle.

Speaker 1 We've been pronouncing it wrong. Yeah.
At least that's what I like Dowd, bad. Heard them saying.
All right, Dowdle. Rico.
Yeah. Rico.
Yeah. Rico.
That's a great name.

Speaker 1 We don't even need to be messing up.

Speaker 3 Best running back in NFL history. You could call him that probably if you wanted to.

Speaker 1 That's Green Bay Packers fan. Just watch him do what he did in a big-time win over the Green Bay Packers.
Carolina Panthers. Let's go football.
Let's go football.

Speaker 3 I mean, just like their game plan yesterday was perfect. They went forward on fourth and short a bunch because they were talking about the wind and like they picked up every single one of them.

Speaker 3 They possessed the ball so much. They kept it out of the Packers' hands.
And then defensively, they just answered every every bell they had to.

Speaker 3 As a Packers fan, I'll be honest, there wasn't really a point during that game where I thought they were going to lose.

Speaker 3 I kind of thought, okay, no matter what, they're going to come back and it's going to be another ugly win. But to Carolina's credit,

Speaker 3 they did what they had to do the entire game.

Speaker 3 And I think they knew, you know, probably about midway through the third quarter there, like, hey, if we continue to do what we've been doing all day, like, this team can't beat us.

Speaker 3 And will and behold, they couldn't.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Pooba Parker now. Hashtag I don't want to overreact.
Buh. Johnny Moe stinks.
He inherited one of the best offenses in NFL history and turned him into a one-dimensional dumpster fire.

Speaker 1 If Dan Campbell is truly an inspirational leader, he'll tell the team he failed them by hiring Morton. Hashtag fire that fraud.
Is this how you guys feel up there?

Speaker 14 I'm not there yet, but a lot of people are saying this. There's just so many things you watched yesterday where you go, okay, we're getting pressured.
Ben Johnson would have fixed that.

Speaker 14 Oh, we can't run the ball. Ben Johnson would have fixed that.
And so that's kind of where we're at as Lions fans with this offense. We were were just clunky.
Goff had no time. It was bad.

Speaker 14 The O-line didn't look great, just like week one against the Packers. If we can't run the ball, we're done.
So that's kind of where we're at.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Puba said, listen,

Speaker 1 you see what Ben's doing in Chicago, buddy?

Speaker 1 Let's pick this shit up. Caleb caught a touchdown.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 We want to see some. Hey, we like to have fun while we're watching our game, too.
Hey, we want to see some shit. Let's go ahead and let's not be a boring offense.

Speaker 1 You know, we always had a little bit of special talent on offense, but never the best offense. Then we got the best offense.
And let us tell you what it's like with the best offense. They do shit.

Speaker 1 They do a lot of shit. It's not just like, oh, you need to do fundamentally sound stuff.
They try stuff. They experiment.
And also, they're fun to watch.

Speaker 1 So let's go ahead and use all the fucking guys that we had last year, that we still have this year, and let's just do the same thing. They were asking after week one.
Was that not a week one question?

Speaker 14 A thousand percent. That's what was happening.

Speaker 1 Hey, you just do the same offense. Can you, in theory, do the same offense as last year? And it's like, well, you don't have the same feel as maybe Ben Johnson.
You might want to call it differently.

Speaker 1 Maybe you're setting things up in a different way. Will this guy, will anybody that was to get this job have any chance with after what Ben Johnson was able to do with that Lions?

Speaker 14 No, I mean, we had a historic offense last year, the best offense in Lions history. So literally, whoever is going to get that job didn't have a chance.

Speaker 14 So that's why a lot of people now are calling for Dan Campbell to take the play sheet. He can call plays because Dan Campbell's certified.

Speaker 14 He can do whatever he wants in Detroit for the rest of his life. So if he's calling plays and he stinks, we'll be okay.

Speaker 1 Hey, he is certified, Dan Carroll. He always says, calling plays would be awesome.
Yeah. That would be incredible.

Speaker 1 But if he was to do that, obviously he'd be taking play calling duties away from an offense coordinator that he promoted and he's proud of and everything like that. So that becomes its own story.

Speaker 1 Somebody just.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Stefansky gave up play calling to Tommy Reese.

Speaker 1 Tommy Reese, formerly of Notre Dame, I believe. Yep.
Yep. And everybody thought he was going to become a head coach.
He goes up to Cleveland.

Speaker 1 He's now getting play calling. This is back-to-back years now where Kevin Stefanski is giving up play calling.

Speaker 4 I believe that was the tweet that I saw. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that real?

Speaker 4 I think it was from Mr. Rapapois.

Speaker 1 That's always the first move by head coach. Yep.
Meaning somebody did something different. Something.
We got to publicly announce that.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of heat. Let's put it on them.

Speaker 1 Johnny Moz catching it right now. All right.
Let's go to the next overreaction. It's from Jordan at JMoney Kearns.
Hey, Jordan Kearns, thanks for tweeting in. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact.

Speaker 1 But Packers are frauds.

Speaker 1 Matt LaFleur hasn't been prepared for a first half his entire life.

Speaker 1 Packers have the worst special teams unit for the 100th straight year, and now there ain't ain't enough bushlight to drown out the Tucker Kraft injury. I'm bummed up.

Speaker 1 You are the one that selects these tweets. Yeah.
This one kind of encapsulated everything you were thinking about.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think that is pretty spot on on all fronts. You know, we got a guy who sets the franchise record kicking a couple weeks ago.
And I get it. They paid McManus, and he's been very good.

Speaker 3 You can tell, I mean, he's still hurt. At least that's the story I'm going to go with.
Misses a field goal yesterday. They absolutely needed to have.

Speaker 3 Yeah, LeFloor is just, I don't know. They're just, I mean, good teams don't do this.
You're not just unprepared. It's almost like he forgets that they have to play a game on Sunday.

Speaker 3 And they play down to their competition week in and week out, which is why I'm honestly like,

Speaker 3 I'm not that concerned about the Eagles game next week on Monday night because I think they'll get up for that because they understand like that's a good team.

Speaker 3 We can't play like we did on Sunday or we'll get beat by five touchdowns. But then the Tucker Kraft injury is just the Cherry on Tai.

Speaker 3 He's the best player on their offense because they haven't been able to get the running game going really this year for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 And boy, it is going to look so much different without him out there. So yeah,

Speaker 3 just not a great day to be a Packers fan.

Speaker 1 Hey, the Panthers are a good footballer. They're great footballers.
They're good footballers.

Speaker 1 All right, let's go to the next one from Cincinnati, Jake Bailey. It's trademarked.
Don't take it. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact.

Speaker 1 But the University of Cincinnati Bearcats could score 40-plus on this Bengals defense. We have a high school-level coaching staff and front office.
Send Zach Taylor Taylor packing and sell the team.

Speaker 1 The Brown family has caused my family irreparable damages for decades. Hilarious from Jake Bailey here.
Cincinnati Bengals obviously lose in devastating fashion.

Speaker 1 I mean, just absolutely devastating fashion. And what's on the horizon? Oh, a trade deadline.
Will anybody be on their way out? Well, a bunch of people are requesting a leave. They'd like to.

Speaker 1 We're just a couple years away from, or removed, from them making it to a Super Bowl and the jungle being absolutely absurd.

Speaker 1 Then they invest all the money in a couple different parts, none of it really being on the defensive side.

Speaker 1 They change the defensive coordinator, kick Luranarumo out of there, and now all hell breaks loose. They can't stop anybody.

Speaker 1 That's an unbelievable feat, especially for a team that's supposed to be in Super Bowl conversations, especially with the quarterback that they have. Joe Burrow gets hurt.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco comes in, does his thing. Zach Taylor seemingly in his spot because of the way they've pieced this team together.
And now it looks like they have no chance of winning anything.

Speaker 1 Tone, AFC North, obviously Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, potentially, if they're able to go on a run after Thursday night.

Speaker 1 But the Bengals and the Browns, Bengals are supposed to be in the convo. Bengals now seemingly not in the convo at all.

Speaker 1 And Browns, obviously, they got the head coach giving up play calling duties in the middle of the season.

Speaker 4 Yeah, those two teams are tough.

Speaker 4 The Browns were never supposed to be in it, but like you said, the Bengals and Ravens were the favorites coming into the season in this division, and they both started horrendously.

Speaker 4 Things are coming back around for the Ravens. It feels like obviously Lamar is coming back healthy.
They're getting teams healthy. They're starting to play a lot better defense.

Speaker 4 But for the Bengals side, after these back-to-back losses against the Jets and now the Bears in the fashion that it happened,

Speaker 4 and the way that the locker room has responded to both of those, it feels like they might be out of the race.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it also sucks for Zach Taylor because I'm not so sure it's his fault.

Speaker 2 At this point, it kind of looks like a reverse Browns situation, you know, where the Browns, their ownership pays Deshaun Watson $230 million, sure.

Speaker 2 And like, is he the one that is deciding, hey, we're not going to pay anyone on defense. We're only going to go with offense.

Speaker 2 Like, is that Zach Taylor or is that Blackburn and Duke Tobin and the front office? Like, that's why Zach Taylor is is going to get the short end of the stick.

Speaker 2 Something does have to change, so it would make sense that he's the guy, but I'm not completely out on Zach Taylor.

Speaker 2 The offense is unbelievable, and he's calling the plays, and they are still making it happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no matter what happens, Zach Taylor, he's going to be calling plays somewhere. Yeah.
And they're going to be very good very quickly.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 not saying that he's going to get fired, but even if he stays in Cincinnati, he's going to be calling plays, and they're going to be very good very quickly.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to see how that all works, especially down in Miami, they got a guy who's pretty good play caller.

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 1 You know, he's got your head coach right now. Zach Taylor, pretty good play caller, head coach right now.
What does the future look like?

Speaker 1 Well, if you listen to reports, everything's all hunky-dory, but it's the NFL. Is there anything ever hunkid-dory? No.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, unfortunately, it does sit, like Connor was saying, I don't think it's all his fault, but something has to change. And it's probably just time where, like, like you said, he'll be okay.

Speaker 3 He'll go somewhere, be an OC for a year or two. Their offense will be unbelievable, and he'll probably get another crack at it.
But it's just like, I mean, it's every week.

Speaker 3 It's every week with this team.

Speaker 1 You know, Flacco's thrown for 470 yards and fucking four touchdowns.

Speaker 3 And that's all we're talking about on Mondays. Like, boy, Bengals defense can't fucking tackle anybody.
They choked again.

Speaker 3 Like, if you're, yeah, if you're in that locker room, man, it'd be hard to show up to work every time.

Speaker 1 How about all the offensive guys saying, yeah, we're done with it. We're done with it.
Can't do it anymore. It's like, boys, you knew this was going to happen.
You had to have in the preseason.

Speaker 1 Looking at the season as football people, you had to know that, hey, this might not be the way to go about doing it, but nonetheless, they're living it. Now, let's go to the next one.

Speaker 1 It's from Sleeper Chiefs, KC, very active on the internet. Hashtag I don't want to overreact.
But the Chiefs are going to win out after this bye week. It's a guarantee.

Speaker 1 Get healthy, make a trade in the next 24 hours, and watch the GOAT QB win his fourth Super Bowl. Nick's Danny Dimes and A.
Aeron are frauds. The AFC is up for grabs, and the cream rises to the top.

Speaker 1 Take it easy, sleeper.

Speaker 1 Jesus,

Speaker 1 Maybe dims a fraud, bro. It's a fucking real deal.
Aaron Rodgers, yeah, right. If he was a fraud, do you think he'd still be playing a fucking 41-year-old?

Speaker 4 Four-time MVP.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, dude. No, I get it.
You guys are looking to win your fourth Super Bowl under this era, and that's certainly been a lot of fun, but there's a lot of competition in this AFC.

Speaker 1 Let alone, Nick's is still only getting better. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's just at the very beginning of his entire run here.

Speaker 1 And on that note, I agree with everything you're saying.

Speaker 1 I agree with everything you're saying. I love this Chiefs team.
And if Patrick Mahomes can survive, okay.

Speaker 1 And I think Josh Simmons reporting back to the facility, they have a bye week here, so it's two weeks thing. He's left tackle, supposed to be very good, hasn't been playing.

Speaker 1 Maybe this bye week, him coming back, will be good for them. Maybe they're able to take care of one of the issues that is certainly happening, not being able to protect.
Do we have another one?

Speaker 1 Or is that the last one? That's the last one. All right.
Thank you for all the tweets on hashtag I don't want to react.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's get the hell out of here, shall we? Let's enjoy tonight's game.
I am on the Cardinals plus three and a half. Might be a terrible pick.

Speaker 1 I was under 500 this weekend, so take that however you want. Might be a good pick.
Might be a great pick. Bingo.
Hey, that's sports gambling, baby. Exactly.
Dak takes on Jacoby Brissett.

Speaker 1 Dan Orlovsky says, look for Buddha, number three up there, to get his hand on a ball or two tonight. Look for this Arizona Cardinals team to be hunting out there with Gannon.

Speaker 1 And the boys. And then on the other side, look for the Dallas Cowboys to do what the Dallas Cowboys do best.
They'll put on a damn show. Can't wait for it.
Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice.

Speaker 1 It might change your life. We're in this thing together.
Good work today, boys. Team on me.
Team on three.

Speaker 1 One, two, three. Team.
Goodbye.