PMS 2.0 1453 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 11 Recap

Speaker 1 We have a segment every single Monday, every single overreaction Monday, sorry, about the top five headlines coming out of the Sunday slate. Now, we don't like to do scripted stuff.

Speaker 1 You know, we're kind of just a free-flowing conversation daily. It causes us to step into some stuff every once in a while, okay?

Speaker 1 If we were more structured, we probably wouldn't be in the conversations that end up happening about us on a regular basis.

Speaker 1 Maybe even the Jeopardy Clue question, you know, if everything was a little bit more scripted and structured, but we feel candid conversation is the best way to go about learning about stuff, entertaining about stuff, and informing people about stuff.

Speaker 1 So, we don't normally do this, but we said we're a football show. We need to do what football teams do.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15. Now, this is driven by Ram.

Speaker 1 It's not first 15 minutes, no, it's first 15 scripted plays that we have. In our case, it's the first five, the big five headlines coming out of a Sunday slate.
We put the clock down a corner.

Speaker 1 Last week, I think we won 40-some minutes. We'll see how this one goes.
Start the clock right now. Number five: headline coming out of week 11, Sunday slate, the Bears,

Speaker 1 the Kings

Speaker 1 of the North. Now, we got a big number four right there on the top left corner of that particular graphic, but it is number five on a headline.

Speaker 1 And that just tells you the headlines have been fluid this morning. We've been trying to learn about what the top five are.

Speaker 1 And the Bears getting a shout out is certainly warranted of the conversation. Caleb Williams and his Bears team are doing something special.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson came into Chicago with a whole culture that he had to shift, a whole culture he had to change. And what did he do? He did it.
First couple weeks weren't easy.

Speaker 1 First couple weeks weren't easy.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these guys are never going to get along.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, these men never going to be able to be a winning tandem in Chicago. Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, will they ever see the same? One guy wears fingernail polish.

Speaker 1 The other guy wants to run his face through any wall that he sees. Are they going to be able to? They have.
And they are now. The kings of the NFC North with week 11 just wrapping up for them.

Speaker 1 Now, it's not just their offense. It's not just their defense.
It's their special teams as well. Fourth quarter, Don won.
Minnesota Vikings thought they had a massive win. J.J.

Speaker 1 McCarthy makes some huge throws in the fourth quarter. Huge completion.
Jordan Addison goes absolutely crazy. Big return.
The Chicago Bears, Kairos Santos, snakes one in the left.

Speaker 1 Now, it looked like that thing was hooking. Somehow, that thing stayed true.
And now the Chicago Bears are sitting at a wonderful 7-3 and three record as the top of the NFC North.

Speaker 1 Debuts, when you see the Chicago Bears team, there's some stats you need to look at. That's their fifth win when they're trailing in the final two minutes.

Speaker 1 That's tied with the 2016 Lions and the 2011 Broncos for the most since the 1970 merger. Okay, so that is literally just already historic.
We got a lot of games left to play in this entire thing.

Speaker 1 Their defense

Speaker 1 Good at everything. Defense is unstoppable.
Special teams making kicks, big returns. Torrey's a great punter.

Speaker 1 Can the Chicago Bears win a Super Bowl right now? Is Ben Johnson showing up as the bell of the ball in the coaching cycle for good reason? He immediately gets there in the midway.

Speaker 1 The monsters of the midway are all of a sudden back in Super Bowl conversations.

Speaker 2 I don't know if we put them in Super Bowl conversations just yet, but we know getting to the Super Bowl starts with getting a playoff game, a playoff home game at that, and they're in position to win their division.

Speaker 2 And we talked about how would this marriage work? How would Caleb Williams operate in this Ben Johnson offense? He's still figuring that out with this defense. You mentioned it.

Speaker 2 Dennis Allen leading the league right now and takeaways. Got three guys right at the top of the league with Bayer Edmonds and Wright when it comes to leading the league and interceptions.

Speaker 2 And they picked on nine, J.J. McCarthy,

Speaker 2 whoever the hell was out there throwing the ball. Even though he did stick with it, he did get stay in the fight and make some plays late.
They figured it out.

Speaker 2 You mentioned that third phase of the game. And this is the dynamic kickoff showing the impact on games and their outcomes because they had a chance to win the game, the Vikings.

Speaker 2 They went up a point and then boom, in one play of the game, you kick it, Duvernay comes out and brings to midfield and they figure it out.

Speaker 1 You know, the president hates the kickoff, but on that note, have to throw a strike. It's like baseball tie.
You have to land it in the strike zone, basically. You have to get out of the game.

Speaker 1 You have to cover a kick. Now, granted, there's going to be teams that don't like it, but the Chicago Bears viewed it as an opportunity, and they get exactly what they're looking for.

Speaker 1 They probably knew old buddy had been kicking it. it into the corner.
They get a stretch, take that thing wide side of the field.

Speaker 1 Couple good blocks, three good blocks, and all of of a sudden they're wide ass open, getting almost back in the field goal range. And Cairo Santos has been kicking a long time.

Speaker 1 Football gods blessed him on that one. Don't fake that.
The football gods blessed him on that. That thing was hooking.
Then it almost appears as if the football gods

Speaker 1 just kind of blew it in there because they saw some of the throws JJ was making.

Speaker 1 And they were saying, hey, listen, this team cannot win. Okay, and that ball's still moving while he kicks it.
Go back and go back a little bit. I did not know that ball was still spinning.

Speaker 1 So that ball is still kind of spinning from Tori here as he's trying to fix. Lacey's directly right whenever he catches it.
He's trying to spin it, catch it. Normal miss.
Okay, so even more so. Wow.

Speaker 1 Ball spinning like that, very hard to kick. I mean, obviously you're trying to hit a sweet spot.
Sweet spot is moving while you're kind of kicking it. I would, I don't fake stats.

Speaker 1 87% of the time, that is a miss. Okay.
That is certainly a miss, especially with the ball moving. So Cairo's mental toughness to stick through that kick without giving up and bailing on it crazy.

Speaker 1 But I think, once again, it's the football gods. I think it was the football gods saying, nah, this guy's throwing a ball in the front row, first row of stats.

Speaker 1 This guy's throwing a check down 14 yards over this guy's head.

Speaker 1 We cannot allow him to win. Now, I think JJ in big moments needed a touchdown through one.
JJ needs one, he does it.

Speaker 1 So if JJ can do what he does late in games in the biggest moments throughout the entirety of the game, I think the Vikings have something special.

Speaker 1 You know, and that's kind of what they say about nine. That's what they say about JJ.
And on the flip side, Caleb Williams says Caleb Williams shit every single week.

Speaker 1 That offense is obviously going to be very dynamic, no matter what, because the way Ben Johnson can kind of script things up and play.

Speaker 3 The defense, you talked about it insane are the green bay packers and everybody else in the north a little scared of the kings which could be the bears for what the next 20 years of kale williams and ben johnson ties i don't know if i'd say scared but at this point like it's it's no longer a fluke like the proof is in the pudding i think most fans in the nfc north just assumed going into the season we understood ben johnson was the bell of the ball but it's it's like we've seen this with the Bears time and time again over the last several years.

Speaker 3 So, but now it's to the point like they win these close games.

Speaker 3 And I think what we've seen is that stuff typically, I don't know if you can play a whole year and sustain that, but that stuff doesn't usually flip in a year.

Speaker 3 It'd be like next year is the year where they lose all these one-score games. Like they're doing it.
And like you mentioned, I mean, they have a pretty tough schedule ahead of them, but

Speaker 3 they just continue to win. This is not a team you want to see, you know, have the ball down a point or two in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're very calloused. You know, they've got a lot of close games.
Here you have each division leader, okay, in the NFC and the road that they have left. You talk about that Chicago Bears team.

Speaker 1 We got Steelers, Eagles, Packers, Brons. Now, that's at home.
If that was in Cleveland, that's a whole different ballgame. And I don't know how we, I don't know how I missed it on Friday.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw that when I was talking about the Browns, Ravens. I didn't even put together that that was going to be a night game.
405 kickoff in Cleveland. That's going to be a night game.

Speaker 1 They're going to have lights on there. Cleveland's defense in Cleveland, like

Speaker 1 historic. That's a tough out

Speaker 1 for anybody. that's gonna be even if their record remains what it is which is not another win like three wins two wins whatever it is four wins who knows what they're gonna do a quarterback

Speaker 1 what do you mean they need to play all three quarterbacks every single alternate snaps all week

Speaker 1 all week they need to do that but the bears you talk about the packers twice obviously n of C North football Lions last week Niners are in there Brock Purdy looked unbelievable and then the Philadelphia Eagles is the Philadelphia Eagles and the Steelers might have just found it so when you talk about a hard road to the playoffs if the the Chicago Bears are still the kings of the North by the end of this run right here, let's assume they're going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 They are currently third longest, or sorry, third shortest odds to win the North. Green Bay and Lion and the Lions are still ahead of the Bears to win the division.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think it's because of the road you just saw. Shout out to the Bears, though.
And if your team is ass and has been asked for a long time, you should view the Bears right now.

Speaker 1 They might just lay an egg down the entire street. Yeah.
What the hell? So

Speaker 2 the Titans just irrelevant.

Speaker 3 They can no longer win the division statistically.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the sports folks say we won't even let you. What is week? We click off.
Yeah, we're heading into it.

Speaker 2 Have we seen this week 12 yet?

Speaker 1 I'm sure there's been some ass teams in it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the Lions were 0-13, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 the Browns. I think we were 0-13 at one point, the Colts as well.
Remember those days?

Speaker 1 I read you weren't here. You came after those days.
You don't even know, brother.

Speaker 1 You don't even know.

Speaker 2 Browns, still a chance, Browns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, still a chance for sure for the Browns. That one seems going to get dark soon, too.

Speaker 1 That one's potentially going to get out of there soon. But the Bears, long road.
Good luck to them. And currently, Duck Kings are the north.

Speaker 1 So let's celebrate the fact that you can be ass for a long time and then beat the Kings very soon. I guess Chicago's showing that.
Now, let's go to the number four headline, shall we? Oh,

Speaker 1 did you see it? Wow. Did you see it?

Speaker 1 There's been a Josh alien Allen sighting.

Speaker 1 This dude is not from from here. This man looks like a big country bumpkin, doesn't he? Oh, yeah.
He's got huge hands, bigger than the average Joe, bigger than the bigger Joe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got more athleticism than the average. More athleticism than the athletic Joe.

Speaker 1 This man's taller than the average. This man's taller than the taller.

Speaker 1 This dude's got a better arm than the average. This dude's got a better arm than a super arm, having Joe.
Yep.

Speaker 1 This guy's special. Montana? This guy's MVP.

Speaker 1 This guy's historic. This guy's legendary.
And he's doing things that only he has done in the past. Anytime they're saying, hey, this is like the second time in history, finger roll to Deion Dawkins.

Speaker 1 Good celebration. Team chemistry seemingly very high.
But whenever you're the MVP, everybody thinks like, okay, how are you going to top that? How are you going to top that? Had hard knocks.

Speaker 1 How are you going to showcase that? Big celebrity wedding. This guy's super celebrity.
Now he's more than just a football player, remember? That's right.

Speaker 1 He's reading lines. You know, he's doing other stuff.
I'm not just a football player, I guess. I'm a little bit more than that.

Speaker 1 that let's go ahead and pull that let's run that this guy's not focused yeah right him and auto graham are the only ones in the history of the game to go for three touchdowns on the ground three touchdowns in the sky in the same game he's done it twice auto's only done it once now at the beginning of this game it felt like the bucks defense had him and at the beginning of the new england patriots game it felt like the bucks defense had drake i'm starting to look in i don't have a stat that hashtag stat that but i'm starting to wonder do the tampa buccaneers throw everything they have at a quarterback in like the first quarter and then it's kind of sink or swim and the good quarterbacks are able to figure it it out.

Speaker 1 And the bad quarterbacks are going to end up dying. Let's keep an eye and a nose to the grindstone on that particular story about the Bucs defense, which certainly did their thing early.

Speaker 1 But whenever you think about what Josh Allen was able to accomplish for the rest of the game and what Josh Allen was able to do, this guy's special talent.

Speaker 1 And think back to, we talked about the Bears being ass for the last 10 years. Josh Allen was kind of ass the first couple years of his NFL career.
Guy couldn't throw a damn thing.

Speaker 1 We're talking about J.J. McCarthy throwing balls into the first row, second, fourth row.
I saw one of them, J.J.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen was the the same. I mean, Josh Allen had no idea where the ball was going.
Could throw it a long way, could throw it very fast if he wanted to. Had really no clue where it was going.

Speaker 1 They bring in Stephon Diggs. He works his ass off in the offseason.
He gets better and better and better, but never loses his humility or his edge.

Speaker 1 Gains a football IQ, I think, through all of the different reps, and he's still untackleable. D, but this guy's an alien.

Speaker 2 He's unbelievable. He's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Isn't he a little bit too relatable maybe when he talks? He's kind of funny. He's charming.

Speaker 1 He's got personality.

Speaker 2 Teammates love him. He does, you know, D?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 He does D's notch jokes. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 He does all these things that make it appear as if he's a, oh, we'll be a rancher. We'll go get a couple hundred acres or a thousand acres or whatever.
They'll never expect it.

Speaker 1 This guy could be an alien just dancing in the disguise of a big country bumpkin idiot who just happens to be outrageously good at football and leadership, it seems.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're never out of it when you have a quarterback like Josh Allen reigning MVP for a reason. And look, you can look at his supporting cast.
A lot of people have been saying it for years.

Speaker 2 You don't have the good enough pieces, talented enough pieces around him. But I like the stable running backs they have with Cook and Ty Johnson, what he does in the past game.

Speaker 2 Shavers, he kind of broke out this game, had a big time game. This game was an unbelievable back and forth with Baker and Josh, but he just took it by the horns.

Speaker 2 And three touchdown passes, three touchdown rushes. You would think like a Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson or one of these quarterbacks has done it.

Speaker 2 Whenever you've done some shit in the NFL that hasn't been done since the 1950s, that's very, very impressive. And take care of, you know, he threw two interceptions twice.

Speaker 2 Yeah, last year against the Rams as well and doing it again here. And just putting the team on his back.
That's what they needed. That's what he needed.

Speaker 2 So a big time play, big time win, big time game from Josh Allen. Josh Alien once again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this guy's otherworldly. Can they win a Super Bowl? That's what everybody asks.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's some stats and tributes that a team needs or attributes that a team needs to be able to win a Super Bowl, especially what we're looking into. Do the Buffalo Beals have that right now?

Speaker 1 I don't know about all of them, but I do know the quarterback piece up there in the AFC.

Speaker 2 That last piece, those last few plays, those like design run plays that Joe Brady kind of called more of, so tough on the defense because you pick up an extra blocker and it really becomes 11-on-11 down here.

Speaker 2 You're first and goal down here. You're just going to quarterback sweep to the right.

Speaker 2 Like, that's tough for a defense because you still have to count and go with James Cook and do all this other shit.

Speaker 2 And you got 17 who's just as good as any, you know, top-paid running back in the league when it's in the open field. So that's an unbelievable weapon for them down in that red area.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I like how excited he is. Very rich.
Yeah. Okay.
Married, celebrity, be able to figure it all out, already accomplished, you know, hasn't won a Super Bowl yet.

Speaker 1 Obviously, everybody will talk about that, but still like visibly emotional and passionate about the game is what I love.

Speaker 1 That was the same about Stephon Diggs last week, whenever he jumped up and did the offside kick. I'm like, hey, that's a decision.
That is a decision that was made by a guy in a moment.

Speaker 1 And there's obviously business decisions that have happened over the time. Josh Allen's still fully invested in being a guy, and it's obvious.
the AFC East is starting to get packed.

Speaker 1 Two of the top three odds-on favorites for the MVP come out of the AFC East, Con man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Josh Allen is always going to have the Bills in it. He really is one of those guys where no matter who your quarterback is, Josh Allen is still kind of the prototype.
He is filthy.

Speaker 3 I mean, you really don't see, to Darius' point, a lot of guys at quarterback running QB power with never a question if they're going to get in the end zone or not.

Speaker 3 When he runs that power, it is kind of just, okay, that's a layup.

Speaker 3 If there are, you know, seven guys in there and he needs to make one miss or he needs to carry carry one into the end zone, it's amazing. I think I even can say this with Bills fans agreeing with me.

Speaker 3 Them not being able to stop the run will bite them in the ass. It is inevitable.
You're talking about New England, sure, but look at the Colts. The Colts have the MVP, you know, Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 3 Could you imagine what Jonathan Taylor would do to a Bills defense who just lets Sean Tucker, a third-string running back, run for 110 yards?

Speaker 1 I'm hoping it. I'm hoping it.
But on the flip side, we're going to see that alien dancing, which is basically the entire story of the games, I I guess.

Speaker 1 And you're right, I think Buffalo Bills fans would say the same thing as UConn, man. I think they would say, We don't have the pieces on a D-line to be able to figure this out.

Speaker 1 Can they scheme that, D-Butt? Can you scheme your way into being a better tackling defense?

Speaker 2 Uh, no, no, no, you gotta have you gotta have the personnel, you gotta have it up.

Speaker 2 I mean, scheme helps, coaching helps, but you need the personnel out there, especially when it gets to real nut cutting time down late in the season.

Speaker 1 All right, uh, let's go to the number three headline coming out of the weekend in our eyes: Spitgate.

Speaker 1 A study on saliva sollying this sport.

Speaker 1 What's the word solly mean? You say, hey,

Speaker 1 what do you mean by sollying something? Well, solly means to damage the purity or integrity of or to defile. Okay.
Seems like solly was actually the perfect word to describe this particular spit gate.

Speaker 1 Now, let's go to the game in question. Cincinnati Bengals, Pittsburgh Steelers.
Long rivalry.

Speaker 1 There's been famous fights in the past in this particular series that have caused playoff games to go a different direction. You're talking about AFC North heat.

Speaker 1 You're talking about the toughness of Cincinnati and toughness of Pittsburgh. Two newer guys to said rivalry.
Jamar Chase, obviously, been there for a couple of years with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 1 Jalen Ramsey just got traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's playing safety now full-time.
And it feels like that's probably the position that he should have been playing for a long time.

Speaker 1 They'll be able to do a lot with him. The one thing that'll be constant with Jalen Ramsey, though, he's always going to be up in your shit.

Speaker 1 And Jamar Chase didn't love that. I guess there was constant bickering.
And then it came to a head right here. And when you see

Speaker 1 Jalen Ramsey says I don't think so he says on the ref did you see that did you see that and Austin Brisky says you know what I don't think you guys saw it let's go ahead and zoom this in a little bit more

Speaker 1 wow now Jamar Chase was asked about this after the game in the locker room and this is how it went down

Speaker 3 So just so clear, you did not spit on him all the way.

Speaker 1 That's what he's saying. I ain't spit on nobody.
Okay, so then that leads to the question. Is there a chance that Jamar Chase speaks like Sergeant Slaughter?

Speaker 1 Is there a chance that he had no idea that he hopped a massive Lugie onto Jalen Ramsey? And he happened to do it low, too, so he would hit some skin. You see, this is starting to become a thing.

Speaker 1 You got the visor here, you got the thing. I'm going to make sure I get in there.
Maybe Jamar Chase is just a spitty talker, an active speaker.

Speaker 1 And that Lugie that clearly came out of his mouth onto Jalen Ramsey was just a part of him.

Speaker 1 You

Speaker 1 maybe called him a...

Speaker 1 Maybe

Speaker 1 you caught him a hook.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 piece of poop. Yeah, maybe a piece of poop or whatever the case is.
And if he's able to breathe and run with that much saliva in his mouth naturally, that's a feat in of itself.

Speaker 1 And they should do a sports science, rest in peace, on everything he's doing. Jalen Ramsey said,

Speaker 1 yeah, he's lying.

Speaker 1 He spit on me, so it's up.

Speaker 4 I'm going to get fucked about football after that.

Speaker 1 Respectfully.

Speaker 1 Respectfully, of course. He spit on me, so it's up.
So football is kind of behind it there. So let's just chit-chat about this a little bit.

Speaker 1 There does seemingly become a line in things that are allowed and not allowed. Happens in combat sports.

Speaker 1 You'll see like something said, some things done, where they're like, you went too far, you want too far.

Speaker 1 Feels like everybody in competitive sports agrees that spitting is just something you don't do, especially in the face of somebody. It's just the biggest sign of disrespect that you could possibly do.

Speaker 1 And after hearing what Jalen said and watching what Jamar Chase did, and Jamar has to deny until he does. Sure.
Has to. And he might even say, I'm

Speaker 1 at the court. And he might act like that's how he speaks in this entire thing.
But D-Butt, multiple times we've seen it this season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's also multiple times that we've heard everybody basically say, yeah, you got to do what you got to do if somebody's going to spit in your face.

Speaker 1 It feels like that's just kind of the reaction we all expect if you get spit on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what's surprising to me. We all saw it with the Jalen Carter one early in the season.

Speaker 2 And before that, Dak has spit on the ground, which shows you how, you know, just disrespectful the act is. Now, when it actually touches you, whatever the response is, it's kind of warranty.

Speaker 2 I think we all agree on that. But that's the most disrespectful thing you can do.
This is something that, as a player, I don't think I've ever been involved in a game where it actually happened.

Speaker 2 That's how rare it is. And now we have this research.
We had it here. We had it in college.
I think that same week when Jalen Carter did it. So just something you can't do.

Speaker 2 And obviously, you know, Jalen Ramsey, you want to be out there for your team. You don't want to, you know, he's a vet.
He's been an all-pro. He's a Super Bowl champ.
He wants to be out there. But.

Speaker 1 How would his team look at him if he didn't do it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you gotta, you, I mean, it's tough. You put in a tough spot to react that way.
So, Jamar Chase, the precedent has kind of been set with Jalen Carter being suspended.

Speaker 2 I hate calling for guys to be suspended, but if you do it to that guy, you kind of have to set the standard because you can't just have guys spitting on people.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, we talked about it a little bit with Darren Payne last week. I'm assuming his game check number is massive.

Speaker 3 Now, it is the first year of a massive deal, I believe, or second year, but so maybe the guarantees are a little less.

Speaker 3 But when the one-game suspension does get dropped, because that is going to happen, people need to remember, like, hey, this also comes with a huge number, I think, depending on whatever the guarantees we're at signing.

Speaker 1 I ain't spoiling nobody. So you're going to have to watch the tape.
We did. We see it.
Yeah, it's very clearly.

Speaker 1 I don't see it. Well, here, they zoomed in, and there's an alternate angle.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's me talking right there. That's me.
Everybody knows me, those who I talk. Talking about Hawk Tour.
That's how I talk. Jalen Ramsey, though, becoming tone setter for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 If he was to get spit on and didn't respond, tough day in the office today going into the Pittsburgh Steelers facility. So, I mean, that is a,

Speaker 1 you know, that's a

Speaker 1 6-7.

Speaker 4 There was a lot of Steelers fans that were upset at the time because it was a crucial point in the game. They were going to get off the field.

Speaker 4 Obviously, they get a first down, and then as soon as the video came out of them spitting on them, they're like, oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 you should have actually hit.

Speaker 1 You should have seen

Speaker 1 one of those, actually. Damn, he's just spitting on people.
So there's a suspension coming, we all assume. We'll have Schefter here in a matter of moments.
Let's go to the second headline coming out.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Look at this. You need to see.
There's a question mark here. Okay.
Big one. The Chiefs is not the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Question mark.

Speaker 1 Put the question mark in there because we would like an out, okay, if down the road here in the next few weeks, the Kansas City Chiefs figure out how to be a great football team that we know the Kansas City Chiefs can be.

Speaker 1 It's possible. Okay.
And if somebody's going to quote this and put it out there, we would like the full context that that question mark is larger than all the other letters that are on the graphic.

Speaker 1 There is a chance that this Chiefs figures it out. Okay.
There's a chance that Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes still, which we all agree that he is.

Speaker 1 And none of us are saying it's Patrick Mahomes' fault, but this Chiefs team just doesn't look like the Chiefs team.

Speaker 1 Now, is that because of who they were playing against and the greatness of the team that is potentially about to become the team of the AFC West?

Speaker 1 Is the Denver Broncos defense exactly what everybody said it was going to be going into the season? Is Bo Nicks everything that Sean Payton said he was going to be once he got drafted there?

Speaker 1 Is the offense in clutch time able to make any play that anybody in the NFL is able to make? Yes, and is their kicker going to guarantee a make whenever push comes to shove?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they got all the pieces. They got big play Bo Knicks making all the plays whenever they need it.
He seemingly never rattled. He can run and make everything.
They got weapons outside.

Speaker 1 They got pieces everywhere. And then their kicker is going to make the kick.

Speaker 1 I think now he's like 15 of 17 or something like that, or maybe 16 of 18 under Sean Payton, whenever it comes to the final 10 seconds of a game for having to make a kick to tie or to win.

Speaker 1 Will Lutz was with Sean Payton in new orleans he's with him now in denver and it's like patrick mahomes we all agree goat conversation goat talk chiefs in the middle of a dynasty we all agree that that's happened or

Speaker 1 is the dynasty over

Speaker 1 debut they put a stat up on sunday night football shout out to this figure stat uh one score games last season 12 and oh this season 0-5 and then uh i saw a bunch of people tweeting me whenever i said what the hell is going on we had a bunch of statisticians coming this regression to the mean

Speaker 1 This is a regression to the mean.

Speaker 1 That's what this is. I saw a bunch of people acting like, you doofus.
Obviously, after what happened last week, there's a lot of super intellectuals attacking me for everything.

Speaker 1 This is a regression to mean. That's what this is, you idiot.
Everybody's saying this is natural.

Speaker 1 And we've seen it with teams in the past who had the football gods blessing them heavily one way, one season, then the next year completely turning against them.

Speaker 1 But it felt like the football gods have been blessing the Chiefs just for like 10 years almost. So them just completely flipping it right now and losing all these close games.

Speaker 1 D-butt, is this the thing? Is the story of the one-score games, they can't get it done at the end where they usually would be able to?

Speaker 1 Or is it a full game type thing where they're just not the team we thought they were? And I have a question mark

Speaker 1 next to me saying the Chiefs

Speaker 1 is not the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 Do you? Yeah, I don't like going against the program, but I don't have a question mark.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put it on. What?

Speaker 2 What is exclamation point?

Speaker 1 So no. Wow.

Speaker 2 But yeah, let me tell me. Yeah, because I just worked hard on this for the last 27 seconds.

Speaker 1 Put it next to the team. Yeah, you can put it up on it.
Yeah, get it up on it.

Speaker 1 If you want. There it is.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Boom! Extivation. The Chiefs aren't the Chiefs.
They ain't. I mean, look, they just played the Broncos.
We've seen in this Patrick Mahomes era.

Speaker 2 They never lose to AFC West opponents. They always dominate AFC West opponents, especially.
What's today? November

Speaker 2 17th. Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, they don't lose in November.
This is when they get hot. This is when they start rolling.

Speaker 2 Now we're five and five right here sitting at 500 500 a week. Like, this isn't the Chiefs.
This ain't the team. Patrick Mahomes, they're not getting it done.

Speaker 2 There were spots where they could have hit some big-time plays. They even got bailed out with a pick six and got called back from Baron on a bullshit penalty.
But the Broncos made the plays.

Speaker 2 They made the plays kind of all year long and definitely late in the game when you expected, hey, it's 13th. It's a close game.

Speaker 2 Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs, they're going to find a way to win this type of game. McMillan played an unbelievable game, had a sack, had a pick.
This defense

Speaker 2 is absolutely, yeah, this defense is dominant. They've been dominant all year long.
Bold Knicks, and this offense still got to figure it out.

Speaker 2 I think they will, but now I'm out on the Chiefs for this year. You know, look, we've had dynasties that have taken some years off from dominating.

Speaker 2 For this year, I don't think we'll see the Chiefs making a rush.

Speaker 4 When those people talk about like regression to the mean with the Chiefs being 12-0 in one score games last year, 0-5 this year, yes, that is a thing for normal teams.

Speaker 4 Like the Vikings, the one year went 10-0 or whatever, one-score games, and then went completely defeated the next year.

Speaker 4 The Commanders last year, I believe, were undefeated in one score games and definitely aren't.

Speaker 2 Rookie quarterback.

Speaker 4 But that's not the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 When you are good teams like this, and even the Eagles this year, like you get, that's just what you do. You win really close games.

Speaker 4 So for them saying regression, I mean, this is, no, this is like completely something that is not normal for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you talk about the Denver team being really good. So maybe it's not just the Chiefs, but maybe it's just the Denver team.
Here's a Hembo stat about them out-sacking their opponent.

Speaker 1 This is the sack differential for them and obviously against them for Bo Nix. They're plus 22 right now, or sorry, plus 36, which is better, 22 better than the next person.
49 sacks, 13 sacks allowed.

Speaker 1 Bo Nix doesn't get sacked, and they sack the quarterback, and it's coming in bunches from everywhere. So I'm not saying that the Chiefs is not the Chiefs, okay, like my friend D-Bud here.

Speaker 1 But I am saying it's going to be a tough road if they is still the Chiefs right now.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and it was impressive watching Bo Nix do this. This was his best game, I feel like by far.
He really didn't turn the ball over, and it was in the biggest game.

Speaker 3 Like, I feel much better about Bo Nix today than we did last Friday after that Raiders game, but they just pulled up the kind of wild card situation the Chiefs are looking at now.

Speaker 3 It's the Jags have the tiebreaker over Kansas City, the Bills have the tiebreaker over Kansas City. So I'm also with you.

Speaker 3 There's still definitely a question mark, but and you could say, like, oh, well, I could easily see the Chiefs finishing 12 and five and kind of rolling through the rest of the schedule.

Speaker 3 And then you realize they play the Colts next week off of bye.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you know, it's on that note. It's tough.
Number one storyline: off a buy. Wait, Colts wins.

Speaker 1 What? Boom. How did it yesterday? I was watching.

Speaker 2 Play.

Speaker 1 All right. It's not the actual real one.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, fair. Please put up the real one.
Thank you. The NFL's final played it.
Now, I would like to say the Colts winning the Super Bowl still could be a one. Yeah, good.

Speaker 1 After all, I watched yesterday, nobody's stopping us. Okay.

Speaker 1 There's a couple really good defenses out there, which we'll certainly dive into in a moment, but Danny Dom's got to figure out Jonathan Taylor would do his thing.

Speaker 1 But on that note, the NFL, remember just a couple weeks ago, had its biggest ass shite day it's had in like 55 years. Yesterday, we're tying records on how great of a game it was or games they were.

Speaker 1 Five teams won on the final play. That ties the record for the most on a single day in NFL history.
Seven teams came back to win in the fourth quarter to win. That's the most since 2022.

Speaker 1 That ties them for the most in NFL history. So whenever you think about hanging around and is this game over? Is it still something we want to pay attention to? Yes.

Speaker 1 And then the final play from the opening whistle to the final kick, this thing is going to be intriguing. That's exactly what the NFL wants.

Speaker 1 That's why the numbers are all up and to the right for the NFL. Texans, Matthew Wright.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, here's Carolina Panthers. Riley, Ryan Fitzgerald hits a game winner against the Falcons.
Now, this is obviously a rookie coming out of Florida State. Hits a big-time win.

Speaker 1 Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young, breaks all-time record, throwing for 448 yards.

Speaker 1 Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers might have figured it out. There's another game winner here that happened.
Foxies will pick the order here that we will go in. Boom, Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 Matthew Wright hits a game winner over the Tennessee Titans down in Nashville. Now, the Cam Ward-led Tennessee Titans season is not great.
They've already fired a coach.

Speaker 1 It's kind of ass down there, but they're in this one until Matthew Wright hits a game winner. Will Lutz obviously just hit for Denver.

Speaker 1 Tyro Santos for Chicago against Minnesota where it feels as if it's hooking and then the football gods blow it back in there and then Riley Patterson hits a game winner for the Miami Dolphins in Spain.

Speaker 1 So five game winners to wrap up games. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who is an absolute stud when it comes to knowing things that everybody else doesn't.

Speaker 1 Senior NFL insider for ESPN, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter.

Speaker 1 Shefty, thank you. Thank you for joining us.
I know you caught the tail end of our first 15 there. Let's talk about it.
The Chiefs is not the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 That is what D-Bud is saying. Is that what you're you're hearing from around the league? Nobody's scared of the Chiefs anymore.
People don't think the Chiefs with Big Bad Wolf coming to town.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Big Bad Wolf, that guy's sitting in a jail right now watching this Chiefs team lose. One score games.
Is the Chiefs not the Chiefs anymore, Shefty?

Speaker 5 Pat, they've won nine straight division titles, and barring something unforeseen, they're not going to make it 10. They're just not going to be able to do that.
At 5-5,

Speaker 5 with Denver sitting there right now as the number one seed in the AFC at 9-2. They're four games behind the Broncos already having lost to them.
They're behind the Chargers having lost to them.

Speaker 5 And so they're in a situation where, look, you take a look right there. I mean, I don't know how they're going to win that division.

Speaker 5 Like, the goal right now for Kansas City is to make the playoffs, get back in the playoff picture, and then see if you go in three games on the road.