PMS 2.0 1461 - FIRST 15: NFL Week 13 Recap

so much to talk about. There's so much to overreact to.
In these Mondays, of this particular season, we've been trying to put together like a scripted place. You know what I mean?

We've been trying to like do this thing how everybody else does it. There's so many things to talk about.
Let's go ahead and zero in on five of them. You remember what we did?

We've continued to do this. Yeah.
I think, you know, what are we, we going into week 14, about to wrap up week 13,

I think we can get better. We should have missed

post-season form damn near. But also, on the flip side of that, I'm pretty proud that we're still doing it.
True.

this felt like something early that we were going to get sick of, and we just have continued to power through. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the first 15.
Driven by Ram. Here we go.

You know, whenever you hit the gas pedal on a Ram truck, you're going to hear a ram.

And that's what we're about to do through the top five headlines coming out of week 13's NFL, Sunday,

Saturday, football, Friday, Thursday.

You get it? Put the clock down, please. Let's get started.
Number five: headline: The jig is up, the booze are out, they finally had it. The renegade

what was that all about, boys? Oh,

yeah, it happened. Running foxy, they're booing renegade in Pittsburgh.

This guy's choking, almost dying.

Oh, mama, I'm in fear for the Steelers. They're booing their ass at home.
I mean, that's happening in Pittsburgh. That's a time-honored tradition.
Renegade plays. The entire city goes crazy.

Babies at McGee's Women's Hospital, where I was born over there in Oakland, are standing up in their little things doing the thing. Oh, mama, that is what Pittsburgh's about.
That moment.

Highlights of the defense just demolishing people. It has been symbolic of what the Pittsburgh Steelers are.
Steelers fans,

for the third time this season, playing good teams,

are now losing by double scores, double digits. And they had the lead at the halftime of all of them.
Okay. So these Yensers are going to these games.
Some of these things end in real late.

Last night, obviously, freezing cold. You saw how cold every Yenser was in the crowd.
They have the lead at halftime in all of them. Seahawks, 14-7.
Remember that day? That was a long time ago.

That was whenever we were talking about. Maybe the Seahawks.
Yep. Maybe the Seahawks, by the way.
And then Green Bay Packers, they were down 7-16, 16-7. The Steelers are up.

Green Bay Packers go on and win by two scores. And then Pittsburgh Steelers, 7-3 and a half.
7-3.

Three points. This is a good guy.
He's good.

Josh Allen. This guy's ass.
First play of the second half. Bosef says, hey, Aaron, don't break your nose.

Trip sack, have the whole thing. Game changes completely.

Pittsburgh Steelers fans are sitting there wondering, what the hell were we thinking when we bought into this team winning the Super Bowl this year? That is what Jensers are thinking.

That is what Pittsburgh Steelers faithful are feeling. And when Renegades getting its ass booed, that's obviously problematic.
And then you go to the end of the game.

Pittsburgh Steelers fans are very good at doing things.

And that is unified chance calling for somebody's ass to not be around anymore.

Oh, no.

This is not good. We are from Pittsburgh.
We've experienced this before.

Our show has actually been a vehicle for Yinsers to get their points across to the Pittsburgh Steelers ownership and the Rooney family. Canada, back Canada.

They were chanting Father Canada in Utah on the Capitol in D.C.

at Pittsburgh Penguins games.

Once at JMU, they were chanting it. 20,000 plus were chanting it.
Whenever Yinsers find something that they're all unified upon and they've given up, they're going to let that be heard a lot.

This chant started there. And I appreciated Mike Tomlin's response.
Mike Tomlin said, hey, listen, I share their frustration. Tonight was tough to watch.

And it's like, I appreciate Tomlin's answer, Coach Tomlin's answer. Coach Tomlin is obviously an incredible speaker and a good leader, which is why he's been who he is.

But boy, Pittsburgh seems to be completely fed up with them right now. And I heard some things said earlier on the show on GetUp.
I'm yeah, first take Stephen A.

He was talking about how any other nine years, no playoff win, you'd be gone, especially in a city like Pittsburgh, which is such a football town. I think that was a very valid point that he made.

Now, he did talk about con, the con ares to GM, and he said there was no moves made. Actually, there was a bunch of moves made, which is why this year felt a little bit different at the beginning.

Tone, I don't want to say you speak for all of Pittsburgh, but I do think you are a good representation of how Steelers fans could potentially feel about the team, being that they are a diehard of the squad.

What are your thoughts and why do you think it's a boiling point at this? Because it feels like this has been lingering for what, four or five years? Yes.

And then now it's like, we're done showing up for you guys to get your ass kicked and don't even play Renegade. Is that what they're thinking?

Yeah, last night was the tip of the spear, the boiling point, if you will.

Everyone.

It's been split about

the coaching staff changes, stuff like that, but everyone is now on the same page. I got a lot of texts last night and this morning.
Hey, you okay? Yeah. Yeah, I am.

Like, because this is, everyone's on the same page now, okay? We can't have this anymore. Nine years without a playoff win is absurd.
Three playoff wins in the last 13 years is absurd.

Yeah, they've got 21 straight seasons without a losing season. That's really good, but it's not good enough when you're not winning playoff games.

Put on a shirt. You could put it on a shirt and you can say it and the national media can be like, yeah, if this guy gets fired, he's going to have a job the next day, which might be right.

And Mike Tullman is a great coach. He's a Hall of Fame coach.
But sometimes the voice just, it runs dry in the locker room. I don't know.

No one's on the same page. Aaron is talking about people not showing up for meetings and film and stuff like that.

TJ is talking about literally the same play that they've run over and over and over for the Bills, and they couldn't stop it once.

Joanne Edelman has come out and said that they know exactly what plays are going to be run against the Steelers defense. Jamar Chase has done the exact same thing.

It just got to a point, I think it's got to the point with the fan base and the city that this is just. This is not the Pittsburgh Steelers.
You watch the product and it looks nothing like them.

The fans are done with it. Everyone is done with it.
We've all had enough. D-Budd, how do you think the Pittsburgh Steelers locker rooms?

Cam Hayward obviously said he got knead in his stomach and he didn't like how disrespected he was.

He also probably didn't love that they did run the same duo play basically with James Cook and had the same outcome every single time. And it cracked

seal. Five in a row.
He's out. Yeah, his five straight plays are through the same thing.
They were all very successful.

Yes, this has been something that I think a lot of Steelers fans have kind of been talking about with the defensive side of the ball, which Mike Tomlin came from.

It's like the defense is terrible and there's no adjustments. And whenever they talk about being predictable, and yeah, the players on the field know that.

Is that kind of like, if I remember, and you would have to correct me, you would be the person to correct me here. Legion of Boom, they played like the same shit, right? But you had to beat them.

Yeah. That was kind of the case.
Is that what the Steelers mindset is too? And has it always been that way? Or why do you think the Steelers are where they are?

And how do you think the players feel with all the outside noise about maybe this being the final time of the Tomlinson?

Yeah, I feel like we've heard a ton of people, whether it be players or coaches, talk about in the positive light, how, hey, these are the same blitzes. These are the same same this, the same that.

The Legion of Boom, they did their thing. When the Broncos went on their run, you know that, hey, you just had to beat man coverage.

Everybody kind of has their own staples and they just get good at what they're good at. Now in this league, everything changes week to week.
But if you look at these plays, these aren't like dynamic.

Ben Johnson tight run plays or a bunch of moving parts. This is just lining up and running the ball down your throat.

And that is the complete opposite of what you think about when you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers.

You think about toughness, you think about physicality, whether that's on the offensive or defensive side of the ball.

If you think about all the Pittsburgh Greats, that's the first thing that kind of comes to your mind, whether it's a guy in the middle or Jerome Bettis or one of these big physical guys.

Like, that's what you think. Then Renegade, like, I still got PTSD from that shit, been on the opponent.

When that shit comes on, you know, okay, some bullshit's about to come, a strip sack, a pick six, something.

So to see seven fans waving their towel when they go live with that, that was disheartening. It's Monday.
Tone didn't even put a Steelers helmet back on the desk that we we both go back and forth on.

I feel bummed out about him. But yeah, it's tough.
And

I know Tone's getting a lot more than I am, but I'm getting more, more messages saying,

I don't like people being out on Mike T. They threw the graphic up about the three franchises.
I forget which three it was.

I think Patriots was one of them with 20 plus years of not having a losing record. That is impressive.
It's a good graphic.

It was a great graphic, but sitting here Monday, that team, that fan base, you almost, you got to be embarrassed.

To be a highest paid defense on the field, and those have got TJ Watt, Cam Hayward, Jalen Ramsey, Patrick, like these are notable Hall of Fame type names.

So for them to be sitting in this Monday watching these same plays that we're watching,

it's tough. It's going to be a tough meeting for fans.
And it's tough because the fan base grew up on the rush defense.

And we talked about it last year when Derrick Henry ran for 475 yards in the playoffs game or whatever.

We grew up, they have the record, there was 32 consecutive games where they didn't allow a 100-yard rusher. 32 consecutive.
And now it's almost every single game that there's a 100-yard rusher.

And that's just not who we are. It's crazy.
Right there, we get 90 rush yards, 17, and 30.

Stat just popped up while you're talking about it. And here's some more stats that aren't good for the Steelers.
Hembo cooked these things up.

Plus 16 is the margin of first downs between the Bills to the Steelers. Plus 31 plays there.
Defense was out there a lot. Boys retired.
74 plays for the Bills. 43 time of possession sweep.

And then that rush yards one there.

Plus 191, the worst rushing margin for Pittsburgh in a home game since 1955.

The fact that it's all happening in Pittsburgh, and the Insers are spending their life watching it, that makes it exponentially worse.

Because not only is it these Yensers, and Coach Tomlin knows that. He's lived there for so long, 20 years, whatever the case, 18 years.
So he understands it just as much.

Those Yangers are going home and they're talking to the neighbors. Okay? Yeah.
The neighbors are saying, see who went down there.

Did you see what they did? Second half. They just let him just run right over.
James Cook, same exact way. That's what we're saying.
Tomlin doesn't know shit.

And then they go to the next neighbor, and then they go to the next person they run into. Then all of a sudden, the entire neighborhood feels the exact same way.

And it's like all you need is just a couple of terrible experiences back to back to back. And it's happened all year with them.

I think you can, the Insers are a group that will kill for you, actually.

Like we'll actually do that for you. And on the flip side.
We're done with you.

Need you. Need you to go ahead and take a walk here.
I think they've always been that way, Will always be that way.

And I think right now is the loudest that I've heard it as somebody I feel like has kind of tapped into the city of Pittsburgh and how they feel on things.

There's always been a group that has been sick of the winning season shit. Sick of it, sick of it, sick of it, sick of it.

We get a terrible draft pick. Great.

Winning season. Let's get pick number 17.
Let's get pick number 18. We can't really get anybody.
Oh, we're not going to trade for anybody. Of course we're not.
Oh, we're not going to move up.

So we're going to get another mediocre player to add to our above average team and then we're going to steal some games and we're going to have a good time and we're going to renegade this thing that's cool that that there was a group of people that were like that like five years ago four years into the lack of winning i think that that started to it feels now that it is at the the biggest and most unified that it has been in the city of pittsburgh the rooney family has to you would think so you would think so and a lot of people are really really mad at ownership as well um but you could trade coach tomorrow and right wouldn't that be a thing you could okay now there was a report that what a an older sorry i don't know who reported it i apologize i saw the headline uh there's potential coach conversation fresh new start things yeah jay laser sir if no that was like an ambulance

ball

yeah someone reported that there's a an elder coach in the league who might be looking for change but anyways baltimore and pittsburgh are tied currently for the lead in the fc north and i every Friend fan that I've talked to is like, I wish we just would lose outs if it means change rather than like, hey, we're in the division fight.

Nobody cares about that anymore. That's a shame.
Yeah. It's wild.
Hey, they can go on run, no boys. That's right.
Hey, look, start going to meetings. Yeah.
Start going to the meeting.

No, you need to go in and not out whenever I say, ha, hey, hey. I thought he said he was at the meeting.
That's what I thought I heard.

I know they were on the wrong page as far as the check, but I thought he said everybody shows up to the meetings.

Oh, you're saying the way he delivered it was not condescendingly asking if everybody would start showing up to the meetings. You're saying he was saying everybody showed up to the meetings.

They still understand what the checks are. Yeah, and we've had conversations for years about, you know, how Aaron Rodgers always changes.

Peyton, Drew Brees, Brady, like, those are always moving parts. But maybe I misheard it.
Ronnet.

When there's film sessions, everybody shows up.

And

when I check to a route, how do you fix it? When I do the right route, you know?

Like.

John and I just weren't on the same page. I checked to his inbreaker and he ran out breaker.

You know, John is a true professional, so I'm sure he's

you know, he's sick, sick about that. But,

you know, I threw a ball I thought was going to get hit by the wind, and it was four yards over Roman. So I got to make that throw.

But, you know, we have our meetings every week. We have other opportunities outside of the facility.

And look forward to seeing all the boys there.

Okay, so he was asked how he fixed the chemistry. He said, well, when there's meetings, everybody shows up.
Interesting. Dynamic.

He does look cool, though. With the back.

Yeah, dude. He looks like a Pittsburgh still, the quarterback.

I thought he was sucked. Six and six.
I thought he was done with that wrist, three fractures. Yeah.
The whole thing. He goes, lands on his face.
Everything's busted. I assumed he hurt this one again.

Yeah, probably. I assumed he somehow hurt this one again or whatever the case is.
Then he comes back,

bandaged up thing, still taking the thing off, by the way, between everyone. He is, and I think nobody talks about it, he is old-school tough guy quarterback.
Oh, yeah.

That is how he views the position. Have to.
He even likes taking hits, I think. Like that is a part of the entire thing.
And he's been very anti-any of the rules.

So him bouncing back as a 40-plus-year-old after having Bose explode through his back and then dump him on his face. And then the worst possible outcome happened.
I mean, that shows a lot of grit.

It does. And Pittsburgh Steelers fans appreciate the grit.
Need to get some wins. We're done with it.
All right, let's go to the number four headline from the NFL Sundays today. Tan!

10!

Two teams with 10

wins. I love that.
That's incredible. And they're both in the AFC con, man.

The Denver Broncos, who are almost everybody's kind of Lombardi babies coming into this particular season, with that defense, everybody returning, they might have the best defensive player on earth.

And Sertan, well, he wasn't even playing for a while. They were winning.
He was back doing a whole strap up on everybody. They're fantastic.

And Bo Nix and Sean Payton seemingly get the job done whenever they have to. A lot of close games.
A lot of close games. The stats coming out about them being in close games, one-score games.

I think they have the most one-score dubs. They have the most three-points or fewer wins.
They have the most this point. Like they are the close-game kings right now.

Is that because their defense is so dominant and gets great stops at the right time?

Is it because Bo Nick, Sean Payton, and the boys on the offensive side are so resilient and kind of mentally tough, they're able to get the job done? Who cares? They got 10 wins.

The other team, Patriots, tonight, taking on the Giants, looking for number 11. Both in the AFC.

What does that tell you, Con man uh it really just tells you that the top is very uh top heavy if if you will you know the broncos yes they're close games but they win I mean at the end of the day that's all that matters Bo Nicks he's coming alive I mean he beats the Chiefs goes on the bye and then he throws for 320 on Monday night football and yes it's the commanders you can say well they shouldn't be barely beating the commanders in overtime Marcus Mariota is a hell of a quarterback I mean we saw that last night night he led them down when he needed to they had a third and 15 maybe and they somehow got the first down.

Terry McLaurin being back for them is massive. That's a fourth and goal.
Absolute dot. If you watch the replay too, almost gets deflected.
Perfect rub route.

They almost have it here, but Nick Bonito, nope, that's the touchdown. The Nick Benito two-point conversion, he stops it.
And this is exactly why the Broncos are going to be in it at the end.

You know, we talked about the 10 wins in Bo Knicks, and people want to throw shade on him. him and stuff.
Their defense is good enough to win them a Super Bowl.

I mean, Benito and Cooper off the edge, Moss and Sertain in the back end, and then Alex Singleton, probably one of the better linebacker plays from the weekend was Alex Singleton hauling ass

back to break up a middle shot down the, to Zach Hurts down the middle. I believe it was a third and 10.
But they're fantastic and their O-line. Like, that's the biggest thing for me.

Like, their O-line is so solid. They can run the ball and beat you.
They can pass block. and beat you.

It's one of those things that they're a team that can beat you in any way on the offense and defensive side. 10-2, nine straight victories.
There was a stat.

Bo-Nicks, Drake May, and Caleb Williams from that draft class in the last nine weeks are combined 26-1, which is ridiculous.

But, I mean, then tonight with Drake May, I mean, it's one of those things where you kind of get to see the future in primetime. We had it last night, and now we have it again.

The Patriots looking to become the first team with 11. 11 wins on the season there without their starting left tackle, Will Campbell, and starting left guard, Jared Wilson.

So that will be the matchup to watch. You know, Brian Burns off the edge, Thibodeau out for the Giants, which is big, but Dexter Lawrence in the middle too.
It's going to be a hell of a game.

It's incredible to see that the young AFC teams are having this much success. Two-game lead in the one and two seeds, but it's just amazing to be one of those teams there.

Yeah, you talk about the young quarterbacks too. Bo Nick's obviously been in the same system here.
for a couple years. Caleb and Drake, new systems here.

So they're only going to go up and to the right.

The young boys are certainly playing Bears, obviously, obviously in the nfc oh wow wow they are for real but the afc the two 10-win teams looking for 11 obviously have been dominant throughout let's go to the number three headline coming out of week 13 sunday slate oh big catches bad days

yeah bad days don't like uh ah yeah bad days these guys take l's but have highlight real catches so you can't even really talk about it you can't even celebrate if you get a pick and you have a dance if your team loses we don't care that you practice the dance and people don't care.

You can't even post it. Hmm? No, I'm saying you can't even like post it.
Exactly. Shouldn't it? Shouldn't it? Just read the room a little bit.

But on that note, there were some guys that had highlight real catches, but their team's lost, so we can't talk about it. Chiefs, are they okay? I don't know.

Hollywood's got the third touch down in Jerry World. Congrats to the Dallas Cowboys, by the way.
They got to be absolutely pumped. And the Chiefs, who are they? What are they? We don't know.

After they beat the Colts, thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, the phone. They might be all the way back.
Then they lose the Cowboys.

It's like, are the Cowboys the best football team in the NFL? The Chiefs still have it. We shall see.
Indianapolis Colts on a two-game slide. Don't love it.
Maybe talk to C.J. Stroud here later today.

Alec Pierce, absolute weapon and a dog. Has become much better for the Indianapolis Colts this year on being a deep threat.
A lot of moxie.

I assume somebody's going to pay for him in a huge, huge way. And then let's talk about Burks.
Burks baby, number 13 in the corner. Marcus Mary Goda.
Give him a shot. One-handed.
How you doing?

Now, people said he was a buskie bunch, and now he's got Mary Goda throwing him absolute mosses over mosses. Unbelievable catch.

I mean, Riley Moss, that's as good as coverage you can have on that type of play. You just got to look at your coach, look at the sidelines, say, hey, they get paid, too.

Phenomenal catch on prime time. You know, reminisces of OBJ on Sunday night for you.
I saw it at 13 for 13 tweet from OBJ, and congrats to the Broncos get a big-time win.

Once again, these are all losing teams, all these highlights. Speaking of, Chargers do their thing to the Raiders.
Brock Barr.

Too big, too athletic, too absurd. It's an Ozamentalist type mind-blower here.
That thing should hit the ground. Great coverage yet again by the Chargers.

Brock Bowers doing special stuff since the day he stepped onto a football field, I'd assume, Darius Bowers. Yeah, that's unbelievable.
Once again, there's nothing more you can do as a defender.

Good throw by Jay. Actually, I can't even say good throw.

Back shoulder, you're putting it in a place where only your guy can get it. Just a phenomenal effort by Brock Byers.
And then friend of the program took an L.

Hey, Carolina Panthers, good football teams. Good football.
Carolina Panthers are good football teams. You know who's a good football player? Puka! Give me that!

That's very reminiscent of the Odell Beckham Jr. Reeds one-handed snag as well.

Having to battle off a hand in there and then bring it in and cradle to the body with the control to be able to keep it off the turf.

That's an incredible catch by Puka Nakua, who might be the next one. Honestly, he might be the next one.
And whenever it comes down to it, two, three years from now. Unguardable.

Matt Starford, obviously, he had a couple turnovers this game, but this is one of those those situations where, hey, my guys out there, I'm going to throw it up, give him a chance to make a play.

He went up there and made a play. And this was a point in the game where you thought, okay, the Rams are figuring it out.
They may come back and win it.

But like you said, the Panthers are a very good football.

Are we sure Puka is the same player, though? Because he ran out of bounds yesterday. People are sending me a couple tweets about that.
People are saying

he broke a tackle. A little off balance, full speed.
Couple guys here, steps out of bounds. Then he comes back in, though.
I think he maybe just lost track, lost his balance.

But there was people saying Puka Nakua ran out of bounds. If he did run out of bounds, Puka, I'd like to let you know, yes, some more of that.

Some more of that. We don't need to pick up an extra three feet when we already got 17 or 20, brother.
Okay. And if it's going to save it, let's do that.

Now let's go to the number two headline coming out of the weekend. The dogs were barking.

Rob Reicher gets a big win last night with division as well. Or Saturday night, obviously, in Survivor Series.
The dogs were barking there in San Diego at Peco Park.

But also, first 11 games of this week, the underdogs were 9-2, okay, against the spread. Obviously, that would change as the favorites will go on to start winning down the stretch.

But throughout Thanksgiving and obviously the Black Friday game, it was Underdog City. Why do you think that's the case, Debut?

Do you think whenever we're celebrating a holiday and the entire world is watching it and there's a turducken on the line and a pile on honoring Mr.

Madden and everybody's going to be talking about it, do you think it kind of, you can wipe out the record books, you can wipe out the matchups.

It's going to be a bad or why do you think underdogs had such a big time on the holidays? I don't know if it was one thing in particular.

I feel like we always have that week or those couple weeks where the dogs just get to barking. This was definitely one of those weeks.

Now, the short, you know, the Thanksgiving and the Black Friday games, we always know. You can kind of throw everything out the window.
You never know what's going to happen in those type of games.

But it's any given Sunday in this league. I think this year is showing the NFL when it comes to parity.
Like, we're right up there with any other league. Absolutely.

Here's the quote from, or the stat from Hembo, actually. Overall, seven underdogs, one outright in week 13 thus far, second most in any week this season.

All four underdogs on Thanksgiving and Black Friday, one out right. Carolina, one is a nine and a half point underdog.
Second largest, they were 13.5

a couple weeks ago.

They're a good football team, man. They could surprise some folks.
Panthers are the only team to win games when they are more than a 10-point favorite.

I think at one point they were, or 10-point underdog. I think at one point they were 10-point dogs.
Every other team is 0-14. Panthers are 2-0.
Yeah, the Panthers surprise folks.

I guess it would be the Gomblers that they're surprising because the the sports books wouldn't be scoring it if they didn't think the Gomblers would be doing what they're doing.

I don't think a lot of people are paying attention to the Panthers. They're kind of turning that thing around and they're for real.

And if you give Bryce Young some time and the ability to operate, he's able to do his thing. And on the defensive side, there's seemingly hungry, hungry hippos out there.

Turning Stafford over is a big deal, especially with the season he's having right now.

Yeah, Derrick Brown up front, he doesn't get talked about a bunch, but he's one of the best interior defensive linemen in the league. On the back end, Mike Jackson, he showed out.

He balled out with the pick six. It's been however long now that Matt Stafford hasn't thrown the pick six.
And that's kind of used to be Matt Stafford's thing.

If it was bad, Stafford, it would be some fumbles, which he had late in the game, some pick sixes. Mike Jackson sitting on that route.

I think Sean Mevay kind of took off from the ship and said, hey, you know, I wish I would have gave him a better play.

But the most impressive win from the dogs, I would say, for me, was that Bears win. Like, we talked about the Bills running the ball down the throw against the Pittsburgh Stillers.

Like, they ran down the Philadelphia Eagles' throw. Two backs over 125 yards, just toting that right, right down the middle.

And You're watching the plays, you see the replays, you see all the movement.

And even though they're simple, you know, run, run game and run plays, all of the movement, all that eye candy for defensive backs and linebackers, it's tough to be in the right spot, be in the right place.

So Caleb Williams, I don't think is even close to where he needs to be yet in the passing game aspect of it.

But when they can run the ball like this and play defense, this Bears team, they're sitting in the warning NFC for a reason right now. 281 rush yards for the Chicago Bears and jacked Ben Johnson.

That's the most versus the Eagles under a Nick Siriani-led team. Obviously, they had 200-yard rushers, Monungai and Swift, and 17 first downs, which is the most by any team this season.

So Chicago Bears kind of did their thing to the Philadelphia Eagles. And you got a lot of Eagles fans going,

the tush push, we failed. I mean, we couldn't even do the tush push.
This isn't what we are. This isn't what we are.
This isn't who we're going to be. And we got to figure some things out over there.

I don't know how they do it. A.J.
Broad, a good guy. He did.

Two tugs.

And that might be the strategy when you're playing against the Eagles. Let's let A.J.
Brown Eaton Eaton just stopped the run. The Caleb Williams roll-left touchdown to Cole Komet was so nasty.

He's a guy. He is very, very like, we talked about the Caleb shit.
Like, this is filthy

in a bucket. Yeah.
Are you kidding? Fadeaway running backwards. Crossbottom.
And that's Cole Komet. He's had that in his bad.
Colson Loveland hasn't even really gotten going yet for the offense.

He had a two-touchdown game already, but still, like, if he continues to go, the Bears are tremendously scared. And Ben Johnson jacked.
Jacked.

Absolutely jacked.

I love seeing that. Free wieners for the city, I do believe, because he went tarpless in the locker room.
Somebody, Wiener Circle, I believe. I don't remember the name of the place.

They're giving up free dogs for the city if Ben Johnson wants to go shirtless. And he said, give me one more week.
Give me two more weeks. I think you've been hitting it a little bit harder.

Absolutely jacked. And I'll tell you what, every time you look in a locker room or you see anything mic'd up, what I try to see is these people like each other.

You know, obviously you're going to get good quotes, but my eyes always tend to go to like, how do these people feel about each other?

You can can kind of pick up little tails because they're always going to edit the mic ducks only give you what you they want you to hear you're not really going to get much but what you can see is how they interact you know there's brief moments of interaction it's like okay they seem like they like each other oh

i don't think they like that guy you you can get that out of mic ducks ben johnson

boys love him love you good better best never let it rest till good is better and better is best and then bear on me they have a whole thing everybody's in and if he has that culture set up his culture is a winning culture, right?

Yeah. Don't we all agree in football? Oh, yeah.
The culture that Ben Johnson has established, we're going to be powerful. We're going to pound him.
We're going to play great defense.

And also, we're going to be smarter on offense and design people to be wide ass open. Oh, yeah.
And we got Caleb Williams, who's a super talent.

It's like, if the culture has been instilled, there's like no stopping this train, right? Isn't that kind of like the biggest thing? Can he get his culture in? Can he get his culture in?

Oh, he lost the locker room. That's what happens when somebody can't get their culture in.
Ben Johnson is a hard ass, allegedly, accountability-driven, and he's got his culture in play already.

And it's very obvious whenever you see all the miced ups and the cameras behind the scenes. Yeah, and you got to get results, too, especially in the big boy league, national football league.

You have to get results. And that's how you get the real buy-in from the vets and the young guys.
Because we've seen coaches go to certain places and try to be a hard ass, and it not work.

And I think mainly because it doesn't have the results. So getting these results, and this shows you, man, whatever it takes.
Go and get your coach. Like, it matters.
Coaching matters.

Going through your coach. Obviously, you have to have a quarterback as well, but go and get your coach.
Collegiate level, professional level. Go and get your guy, whatever it takes.

Whatever bullshit comes with it, it'll be all right.

Because those vibes in that locker room, like that, that is just completely different of anything we've seen from the Bears since they went to the Super Bowl in Miami in 06 with Rex Grossman running the show.

But yeah, go and get your head coach, get your quarterback. And it shows a lot that Ben Johnson obviously chose to go to Chicago, pair up with Caleb Williams.

And now, like, these guys, man, those are the vibes you, that's what you miss. That's the type of shit you miss as a former player being in a locker room, that feeling after a game.

Everybody was picking the Eagles. You thought, okay, the Eagles are going to figure it out.

They gave up nine points, seven points, and then to go in there and run the ball down their throat like that against a physical ball club, like that is nothing better at all. Special, man.

And to Debut's point, like go and get your coach. And, I mean, Tony, the only team the Steelers can really look to as far as moving on from a legendary coach would be the Patriots.

And you can go back to the Andy Reed Eagles, sure, if you want to.

But in recent memory, the Patriots, the Patriots made the decision to move on from Bill and then doubled down on their decision by firing Gerard Mayo after the first year.

Like, sometimes you get the wrong guy, but when your right guy comes available to Debut's point, like Vrabel, like you just have to make that decision. It takes a lot of balls from the owners.

It takes a lot,

a lot of gut sack to do that. Yeah.
Yeah, because you're making a big state. You're changing the trajectory of everything.
And if that culture, you know,

stinks right away, and then you go to another culture. Oh, it's the grass-greener.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Well, and, you know, like, Ben Johnson deserves all of the credit, obviously.

But him bringing in Dennis Allen to be D.C., having a guy who has been a head coach before, because every week going into these games, all we hear about is how banged up the Bears' defense is.

And they go out and they do the same thing every week. They turn the other team over multiple times, and there's no excuses.

So him having the wherewithal to be like, yes, I will have the offense, you know, humming on all cylinders and ready to go, but I also need to get a guy who knows what the hell he's doing on defense and getting a guy who's been a head coach before, like, that was a massive move as well.

I agree. Congrats to everybody that was an underdog and had a great holiday.
We very much love that. It showcases that our league, anything can happen on any given field.

And Sean McVay was asked about those Panthers. Did you guys not respect them? And he basically said, Caroline Panthers is a good football football team.
That's basically what he said.

It's the NFL. Everybody's good.
You know, there's a couple ball bounces this way. I wish I would have given a better play.
What he wanted to say was, hey,

Caroline Panthers are good football.

It's a good football team.

Yeah, Bryce Young youngest quarterback to 11 game-winning drives was the stat yesterday for him already yeah all right congrats to them that seemed like a lost cause

from top yep oh my god all the way to the bottom of the stadium even their fake ai thing the panther that they had oh yeah it was the worst one of all time i liked it i liked it was cool but you really couldn't tell it was a gif it was a gif they just put on jumbotron what are you talking about similar they say look to your right it's in the stage no it's not.

That was the thing. It was only, you know,

it was sick. Okay.

Let's not act like you didn't pull that up on the bottom. Chat GPT could go make me one of those.
That's a different time. We can't.
We can't. That's relative.
But

to Lions reversing the curse with Daniels and Manning doing the whiskey thing. Kind of.
You could make the argument with Tepper opening the stadium for the

hurricane relief. Yeah.
With Luke Combs, Eric Church, Caleb.

I forget who else was all down. The Chase Rice? Chase Rice.
Sold out the stadium. And he can have it.
And also here's a donation on top of of it. And also this on top.
It's like, wait a minute.

Did the Grinch's heart grow three times? Yeah. Flipped the whole thing.

Remember when he was going into restaurants? He's like, hey, take that sign down right now. I ain't firing anybody.
Smack the guy's hat off.

And then he got his ice. Yeah, the ice on the fan.
Yo, I ain't doing this. Get the hell out of my face.
He was a menace. And he was a menace.
He was an absolute menace.

And then he opened up the stadium. And then he said, you know what, geez, I got to step back.

And he's, hey, everything he's ever done, he's had success.

So it seems like that's happening right now. Number one storyline.
Hey, listen, the AFC South, it just means more.

Now, everybody understands that going into the year that the AFC South is a junger nut. The AFC South has Mount Rushmore of teams, basically.
Hey, how many teams are in there? Four.

Where would they go? Rushmore, all of them. Titans, a little problematic.
Okay, they got to figure it out. Maybe worst team ever.
Could potentially be.

They are exactly what we were just saying about the Carolina Panthers. And there's been some other teams that have been in this position since our Texans at one point were in this position.
Oh, yeah.

Whenever we were kind of doing this live show, they're too far off. Yep, they're seemingly heading that way potentially.

But they've got Tom Brady there, so we assume that he will figure it out and everything like that. But the Tennessee Titans got a lot to figure out.
Cam Ward, I think, has all the talent in the world.

If you put nothing around him, will he ever be able to accomplish anything? We have no idea. But the people of Nashville are great football people.

So, like, hopefully that'll come together because Nashville and football being great would be. fantastic and has been fantastic, but they fired Vrabel.

Vrabel now may be coach of the year with New England. Lady doesn't even show up at the firing of the thing.
I mean, there's just a lot with them being bad. Jaguars, though, don't look now.

Liam Cohen's got them rolling.

Domico Ryan's, Houston Texans, well, they just get a huge win. It's a good football division.
They get a huge win in division in a difficult place to play.

Now, the AFC South, though, everybody has to still play everybody. Okay.
Colts still have to play Jacksonville Jaguars twice. We have to play the Houston Texans one more time.

Every divisional game for the Indianapolis Colts has come in the final quarter, basically, of the NFL season. Remember Remember when we were the hottest team in the NFL? I do.
Yeah.

There was no division games then. All the division games are right now.
And guess what? Our quarterback has a fractured fibula, which I didn't even know what the fuck it was. And I looked it up.

That thing's right here.

That's a very, that's a very vital one.

Yeah. Dude, dude.
That came out of nowhere. Saw him on injury report.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

what's going on here? Nothing. No, good.
Okay, it'll be good. He's still playing.
See him on injury report again.

Together.

What's going on here? Nothing's going on. Then I see a video from Romeo Wood.
Ooh. Hey,

Big Ben. He can't even move.
Put him in the boot. What's he doing? He's all right.
He broke his leg. He'll be fine.
At least you have AR as backup, right? Oh, no. He arms off warming up.
Yeah.

Well, at least non-division games are the Seahawks and the 90s. Yeah, a couple cupcakes.
Yeah. Yeah, it's easy road here for the Indianapolis Squadron.
Wow.

I don't know if this was Roger Goodell or who it was. See that.
We've been through enough. But on that note, it's a tough judge.
And listen, CJ, I'm in this guy. I don't know what his problem is.

He's throwing a ball basically like this.

30 yards down the field right on the money to somebody every single time. It makes no sense how good he is seemingly every time he steps foot into our building.

He is everything that you would want your quarterback to be when he's in our building. Now, our defense made some plays.
Even Guy Interception did a dance. It was sweet.
We did a lot of good things.

Alec Pierce made some plays. But inevitably, in the end, the Houston Texans beat the Indianapolis Colts.
And it wasn't just the Houston Texans, might I add? It was also the refs. Okay.

It was also the officials.

Listen, they put ass in these officials or ass. Okay, that is what these particular refs did.
This is a delay game. Okay, it's third and 15.
Obviously, field goal range. So 16, 13.

We assume Kayami Fairbairn will make the kick. Maybe.
Okay, so obviously a delay of game. So they should have had to play.
Then we get a Phantom Defensive Pass pass interference goal. Okay.

So play shouldn't happen. Okay.
And now what? Oh, yeah. Pass interference on who?

On that. And then the ref is literally standing right behind it.
He had good eyes on his thing. I saw him.
This is right down our thing. He calls defensive pass interference.

Obviously, they get a first down. Okay.
Sweet. This should have been a field goal.
Instead, end around. Collins.
Touch down. Texans.
All of a sudden, it's 20 to 13, right?

Well, that would be if they hit the extra point. Well, let's go to the extra point.

Yeah, he misses it. Okay, so it doesn't even go in.
And this guy, yep, that's good, right? That's what we're doing. So this is all within a span of like four or five plays.

So whenever you talk about an entire building just getting the you suck chance out of them as aggressively as possible, you're talking about in this exact moment. It was absurd.

And it was back to back to back to back. And it's like the Houston Texans defense is phenomenal.
Okay. Yeah.

There are some Texans fans in there. Their fans are also great.
CJ Stroud.

What the hell? Oh, no. Is this real? They had to change the name.
Brandon Alvarez. I do know.
Oh, no. Wait, when they do that? I told X they can't do this.
I told her. Hey, excuse me.

This is not allowed. AI is getting out of control.
Oh, that's not real.

I don't think. No, that's not real.
Okay. Were the cranes already going up when you guys were leaving yesterday to do this? That is not real.
That is AI. It is not actually the Stroud.
Wait, really?

Brandon Alvarez said he took the picture, right? Then he said, no,

damn, Pat responded to a pic I made. Oh, yeah, it's fake.
It's not fake. Oh, okay.
Wait, but did he make it in with his

camera? He was the foreman? Yeah. No, he was on the thing.
And he was doing it. Because every time CJ plays,

he did not. That is not, it's called the Loud House.
It is not called the Stroud house. I'm done with it.
But this is what happens when CJ plays against us, seemingly always wins.

And with the Indianapolis Colts quarterback situation being what it is, we're in trouble because a big part of Danny Dimes' offensive contributions is the fear that he can outrun you, which he can.

Hey,

what boy got got a little motion whenever he was running. Danny Dimes, you know, he kind of looks like a nerd, acts like a nerd, everything like that.
He's big, strong, powerful, fast boy.

Over rush yards. Over rush yards every single game.
That's a massive part of his game. There really isn't much fear of that right now, I don't think.
And the Houston Texans number one defense,

that was not the right team to have to play against with that. They are.
They hunt. They do.
Boy.

I actually thought a couple different times. These fans have to hate watching these games.
Their defense is so good. This is ass.
Like your offense, you're here for the offense.

You show up and your offense is going to be ass against this team. So you're going to sit there and be like, all right.

Maybe next time. All right.
This is getting kind of boring, isn't it? Boo! We need to start doing some stuff. Boo.
It's like, well, this Texans' defense doesn't let you. They are very good.

And the Jacksonville Jaguars, very good. And the Indianapolis Colts, we're trying to hold on right now.
We are trying to hold the hell on right now. We get a tough road down the stretch.

Joining us right now, ladies and gentlemen, a senior NFL insider in Michigan, Matt. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Scheffker.

Shefty, sorry we made you wait there. We apologize.
Let's talk about Danny Dimes, shall we? I didn't know what a fibula was. I had to obviously Google it, ask where it is.

That feels like a pretty important one to somebody who's pretty mobile. Now, Danny Dimes, fractured fibula, what do we know, and what should we be expecting going forward?

Well, I think it's a hairline fracture, and I think it compromises his lateral.

You'll see that he has not been able to move laterally as much as he did earlier in the year, and they're not calling as many plays for him to run as they did earlier in the year, and it seems to be an issue in that regard.

Obviously, he's full participant in practice. Obviously, he's going to play, but obviously he's not going to play the same way that he's been playing.

And I think that that has impacted their offense some. Yeah, it certainly has.
And also, it hurts very bad, this type of thing.

So obviously, the amount of mental toughness that he will have to go through every single step, we shall watch as the journey to the AFC South Championship rolls on.

Sauce Gardner, we lost him very early in the game. You know, I was actually with Tyrese Halliburton, recovering very well, by the way.
I just showed a one-footed dunk last week.

Tyrese Halliburton was in the suite. I know watching the game, he's a big Colts fan, loves coming out.
He saw the replay of this, and obviously he's going through an Achilles thing right now.

He goes, hey, that looked like... That looked like something.

You know, he looked back there, calf, something along those lines immediately upon it happening, because that's kind of the MO of one of these things.

It feels like somebody kicks you from the back, they say. And then he got carried off.
Now he's walking there, but when he was on the field, there was no pressure on his foot at all.

So we were all very, very worried. What are we hearing with Sauce Gardner? As obviously, we're bummed out quick that we lost the number one out there.

Yeah, well, the good part is obviously it doesn't seem like it's his Achilles. And the great Dr.
Randy Moss diagnosed that right away.

We were in our conference room watching the games after Sunday countdown. And obviously, to your point, Pat, everybody thinks, okay,

is this an Achilles? But within

minutes, Sauce was back on the field in a boot and with crutches. And Randy's like, if you tear your Achilles, you're not going back out into the field.
It won't be as Achilles.

And it doesn't look like it was. It looks like it's a calf injury.
It looks like it's multiple weeks. I think we may have seen the last of him for roughly about a month.

Roughly, we'll see if we have to put him on injured reserve or not. Hey, the good part is it's not as Achilles.

Because if it was his Achilles, you don't even know if the guy's ever going to be the same kind of player again.

Fortunately, it looks like a calf injury. Calves are not fun, and it looked like it was very painful.
And

hopefully he's back soon, and hopefully Tyrese Halliburton is back soon. Yeah, well, I've been telling Tyrese the Pacers need him, so maybe

we expedite this thing. I think we've won three games this year, maybe.
Yeah, maybe. I think second last night.
Okay, yeah,

okay, whatever the case. Yeah, Tyrese going to be back in good spirits.
Nice to hear that Sauce is going to be back for our playoff push here in Indianapolis as it takes place.

Couple other injuries as well. Any updates? Go ahead, Con Man.
Yeah, Chef D, Thanksgiving. Amon Ra went down early with an ankle.
They have Thursday night football this week.

What's it looking like for Amon Ra's recovery? I would say most people would not be able to make it back for Thursday night football.

Knowing Amon Ra, I think he's going to wind up pushing to try to play on Thursday night.

Now, whether he can do that or not, we'll see how the week of practice goes and we'll see how he feels on Thursday.

I don't think they're going to be ready to rule him out quick. Maybe they will.
But I think he's going to give it a chance to be able to try to play on Thursday.

I'm not telling he will, but this guy is very, very tough. Yeah, very tough, very strong.
I mean, seemingly built for everything.

If he's able to bounce back that quick, I think we will all be impressed. There's time.
Go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say, you know, you're missing.

If he doesn't play, if he doesn't play on Thursday night, no Amon Ra, no Sam Laporta, all the injuries in the second. It's a lot to overcome for today.

I'll tell you what, Marianne. Yeah, what happened?

Ragnall came in, and the doctors were like, hey.

Exactly what we said like six months ago. You just can't.
Yeah, you need to stay retired. You just can't do it, dude.
We're sorry. Like, we wish we could, but this cancer come back.

Lose my life the exact same as whenever you had retired brother.

Your whole body is broken, Frank. And obviously the world respects the shit out of you for that, but it's like, we can't let you back on the field.
Just like last year, we were damned.

I mean, come on, Frank, you're too damn tough. We can't do it.
Is that what happened? Is that basically how the whole story went with Frank Records? I mean, it's me. Like, he goes in there.

They announce he's coming coming back. He wants to come back.
And they go in. The doctors look, and they find a hamstring issue.

Shredded. Frank Harrison.
Can't pass physical.

And, you know, that announcement came about 15 minutes before Michigan-Ohio State kicked off in a weekend in which the Lions already lost the game on Thanksgiving Day. So they lose Thanksgiving Day.

Now you lose Frank Ragno, not that he had him. I'm like, oh, I know how this Michigan-Ohio State game is going.

The whole weekend for Michigan.

That's how it's going for the state right now. I mean, I could have predicted that right away.
It was cold up there, man. It was cold up there.
Congrats to a high steak in a big-time way.

They tie win by high steak, Buckeyes. Hey, young team up there in Michigan.
They can learn from this as they go forward. Foxy, you a little bit worried about these lines, Marin?

You a little bit worried about what's going on? I mean, as Shefty said, I was heading home for Thanksgiving. It's Wednesday.
Ragnow's back. We're going to meet the Packers tomorrow.

The Lions are going to be in the playoffs. We're going to go to the Super Bowl.
Everyone is fired up for the best Thanksgiving of all time. And then we lose.
Ragnarok's out.

And I'm not a Michigan fan, but I know a lot of people that went to the Lions game on Thursday, spent their Thanksgiving at Fort Field, and also spent their Saturday at the Big House.

One of the worst weekends of all time for those people. So yeah, it's been pretty tough over here.
Yeah,

sorry to hear that about your holiday if that's how it went. But on that note, the people in Ohio are living nice.

The people in Ohio were living very, very nice. And good luck to the Lions as they continue to do this.
Okay, last big-time injury. We don't know if you're going to have any updates.

Obviously, a quick turnaround. Go ahead, Ty.
Yeah, Shefty, anything on Justin Herbert?

We heard he broke his left hand, and we just saw Rodgers, you know, have a couple breaks in his left wrist, and he missed a week, obviously.

The Chargers haven't said whether or not he's going to miss a game yet, but with their playoff positioning, they obviously can't really afford for Herbert to miss any time.

Have you heard anything on that?

Well, he's having the surgery today. He says he's going to try to play.
He's treating it as if he's playing. Now, again, he's going to have the surgery.

We'll see how he can get through the week of practice, what his grip on the football is like.

I don't know if there's any ligament damage. I think that's a key question here.
When doctors go in there, maybe they find some ligament damage or not. Hopefully not.
Hopefully he's back soon.

Yesterday he goes out and then comes back in with that giant like oven mitt on his left hand and finishes the game.

That guy's a warrior. Absolutely.

He's going to try to play next Monday night. We'll see if the surgery today allows that to happen.
I think it's up in the air. He's a football guy.
You know, Herbert's football guy.

If he can play, he will play. Max Crosby and he obviously had their moment.
Whenever he shoves him for yelling in his ear, Max says, did anybody fight Max? I think a lineman ran over.

I don't know about fighting Max. I don't think so.

Just walked off. I don't know.
I'm not getting into that. I'm not getting into that.
Max Crosby, though, what a menace. When you talk about menaces, of all menaces, he's doing his thing.

Love good AFC West football. Oh, that was in his year.
That's the first time he's here. Yeah, the whole thing.
Yeah, okay. A little Phillip Rivers.
Yeah, he was screaming right at him.

92-yard touchdown. He's yelling in that defensive line.
Helps after he helps him up in that entire thing. I like that.
Yeah, there's a little heat there. We like that.
There's a little heat.

Yeah, I do love every.