PMS 2.0 1310 - The Madness Begins, LA Rams GM Les Snead, Seth Greenberg, Jeff Passan, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our Humble Above the Thunderdome on this big time Tuesday March 18th 2025 this program starts now

Speaker 1 Manny always happening tonight to play in games to get into the dance obviously it's been a hot topic to discuss around the sports world on who made the tournament who didn't make the tournament well we'll move past that tonight to see who earns their spot in the tournament starting at 6.40 Eastern Time on True TV.

Speaker 1 Now, this is the time of year where we're finding where the hell channels are. Remember, this is a big deal.
We're scrolling, we're scrolling, we're scrolling, we're finding.

Speaker 1 Oh, this used to be Impractical Jokers. I remember taking trips down here before.
Okay, great to be back here. Then you also obviously have TNT, TBS, and

Speaker 1 I think that is

Speaker 1 TBS. Yeah.
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. And CBS in there.
But nonetheless, we're going to be doing a lot of true TV in over the next few days. So tonight is a good time to find where the fuck that is.

Speaker 1 That's right. Okay.
So

Speaker 1 let's get on board with that. Let's get excited.
Is St. Francis and Alabama State kick everything off.
Alabama State favored by three and a half. They got a good team.

Speaker 1 I've been watching film on this Alabama State team. Oh, yeah.
I'll tell you what, the way they move the ball. Yep.
Oh, yeah. And then they,

Speaker 1 they'll do one of these. Oh, yeah.
And then they even got a guy who koozy. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, easy.
And then you'll see somebody tonight. You'll see somebody tonight do one of these.
Boom.

Speaker 1 They got one of the best, one of these

Speaker 1 in all of college ball. And then bang, pow.

Speaker 1 And then that thing might rattle home. For some reason, they can't find just the net.
They're working around the rim a lot, but the ball does fall. That's why they're favored by three and a half.

Speaker 1 And then North Carolina, Baba Cunningham School, if you do recall,

Speaker 1 West Virginia governor is not happy. No, no, he's not.
Just would like to let everybody know he's not happy, but we don't need to talk about that at this exact moment.

Speaker 1 North Carolina Tar Hills favored by four and a half, taking on San Diego State now. This team out of San Diego, they do smack the whip.
Puffs the table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 1 That's what you saw when you're watching film on the San Diego State Squad.

Speaker 3 Yeah, look, they're the underdog. And so I said, you know, of course, we're betting on all the underdogs.
And this is all I saw. I saw, holy shit, there you go this way.

Speaker 1 There you go this way.

Speaker 3 And they're never like this. They never stay still and their hands are never like this.

Speaker 1 They always choppin'.

Speaker 1 Always chopping. It's a lot of this.
It's a lot of that.

Speaker 3 You know, a lot of Tim Robinson dancing in the living room. You know, he's always moving, and so is this team.

Speaker 3 And it's also one of those teams, you know, the 11 seeds, we all know, sometimes they go on a run. We saw UCLA.

Speaker 1 Oh, madness. That would be madness.

Speaker 3 You remember UCLA? They started as a play-in game.

Speaker 1 Kid with the sweet hair.

Speaker 3 Bingo, huge throw, and they made it all the way to the Final Four. And I believe one of those players as well is currently a superstar for the Miami Heats.
Superstar.

Speaker 3 So look, the 11 seed games, you know, it's just a play-in game. It's just a play-in game.

Speaker 1 They're going to lose.

Speaker 3 Look out for these 11 seeds. Sometimes they go on those runs.

Speaker 1 St. Francis versus Alabama State at 640 on True TV.
Once again, that's good for all of us to get in there. UNC versus San Diego State, 910 on True TV.
Lake Tip.

Speaker 1 We're going to stay up for that one because we're all mad about UNC getting in

Speaker 1 the tournament, okay? Nobody's more mad than the governor of West Virginia. Nope.
Okay, now, granted. Is he listening to his constituents and reacting accordingly? I'd say so.

Speaker 1 Is this the fastest you've ever seen a governor put something together?

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 1 Is it also the best podium you've ever seen for a speech from a sitting governor to the NCAA?

Speaker 1 I think so. Check, check, check.
Will it get anything done? Certainly not. But maybe changes what it looks like in the future.

Speaker 1 Here's a couple tidbits from Governor Morrissey's press conference about the National Corrupt Athletic Association, as it says right on his podium.

Speaker 5 111 out of the 111 bracketologists projected WVU to make the tournament. And for good reason.
The selection committee for years has talked about the importance of quad 1 wins.

Speaker 4 Quad one wins.

Speaker 5 Now for those who don't know much about a quad one win, this is when you defeat a team ranked first through 75th. Obviously, it depends upon whether you're home, neutral site, or away.

Speaker 4 Of course, we have.

Speaker 5 Well, West Virginia had six quad one wins.

Speaker 1 That's a lot.

Speaker 5 And that was combined with an undefeated record against quad three and quad four opponents. Three wins against top ten teams and the 24th toughest schedule in America.

Speaker 5 West Virginia deserved to be in the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 5 This was a miscarriage of justice and robbery at the highest levels.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 5 Now who was the last team to get into the tournament? Who was it?

Speaker 1 Tournament Lights.

Speaker 4 Ahead of the Mountaineers.

Speaker 5 That would be the University of North Carolina.

Speaker 1 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 5 Now let's see how their resume stats are.

Speaker 1 Oh, let's look at it, go.

Speaker 5 The Tar Heels went 1-12 in quad 1 games and even had a quad 3 loss.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 5 And we keep hearing about the importance of these quad 1 wins, but UNC couldn't even get more than one.

Speaker 5 They also had the 25th toughest schedule in America right behind WVU.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Governor Morse is saying,

Speaker 1 you tell me. He also had a quote in there about North Carolina having representation in the room in Bubba Cunningham and the way this kind of worked out.

Speaker 1 And he said, I just, I would like to talk about the robbery at the largest or highest level.

Speaker 1 And I think what is happening here, and I reached out to some people that, you know, have close ties to West Virginia still, still live in West Virginia, still have family in West Virginia.

Speaker 1 I think they all go,

Speaker 1 you know.

Speaker 1 Don't love that it's us, but had to be done. And it feels like we're the right team in the right time to do it.

Speaker 1 Now, is there, you know, politicking happening whenever there's any type of selecting taking place amongst humans? Yes. I mean, that is just a matter of fact.

Speaker 1 You go back to all the BCS bowl games, how problematic it was. You go to the four-team playoff.
You go to just the national championship. You go to now the 12-team playoff.

Speaker 1 You go to this tournament every single year, the bubble teams.

Speaker 1 Anytime there's humans making decisions, there's always going to be an opportunity for relationships or maybe agendas or feelings about something or maybe a narrative narrative that you don't even know is coming from person's experiences.

Speaker 1 That takes place in discussion. That's why like jury of your peers is such an important thing because you got a lot of people sitting around coming to a decision.

Speaker 1 It's like everybody has a different angle. What's the angle? And the fact that, you know, North Carolina's guy is leading the entire committee.
He's the chair of the selection committee.

Speaker 1 And then his team, and then now there's $104,000 or $70,000, whatever the bonus actually is going into his pocket.

Speaker 1 It's like you're setting yourself up for somebody to say, what the fuck's going on here? Is the right things

Speaker 1 the main focus for this particular group or are the right things the main focus for this particular group? And I'll be excited to see what comes of it. I obviously can't turn it around before tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, North Carolina is. Maybe though.
You never know. I mean, Governor Morrissey seemed to be pretty quick, pretty direct.
How'd they get that thing created so fast? That was high quality.

Speaker 1 That wasn't just like paper taped on it.

Speaker 3 That was old buddy over his shoulder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, because

Speaker 1 if you can't hear what he's saying, you can certainly see what he's about. You know, if you're just watching this on the TV as you're walking by, National Corrupt Athletic Association.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay, okay, I like what's going on here. And then somebody probably says, yeah, that's the governor of West Virginia.

Speaker 1 The governor is standing in front of this. And who's that other guy? Well, that guy's on his side.
Okay, we don't know who that guy is. Got a good suit on.
Good ties, too. Both of them in uniform.

Speaker 1 Looks like they dress the same. They are ready to do battle.
And will this make the selection committees more transparent? Will this let us in the room when the conversations are taking place?

Speaker 1 so at least there's a little bit of accountability for whenever people are pitching, whatever it is? Maybe, but I don't know what the right answer is.

Speaker 1 And I would assume since the beginning of time when humans have got together to make a decision about things and left people out, there's always been fuckery.

Speaker 1 I assume there always has been because that's just how humans operate. But if it can get a little bit better from this, I think more power to old Governor Morsey.

Speaker 1 And he is no stranger to suing the NCAA. He did this as the attorney general a few years back.
We had him on the program. It was about the transfer rule.

Speaker 1 Now with the modern NIL, some labor law was being broke because if a guy can make a million dollars over here and he can only make 300 grand here, you not letting him go there to do that infringes on his employment and wage opportunity and yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 So he sued the NCAA, actually got a ruling, changed the way the NCAA is currently operating. Also is now a part of trying to figure out how we get.
the NCAA to operate in 2025.

Speaker 1 So this dude knows his way around a courtroom and a lawsuit against the NCAA. And I think that's probably why he's in his bag, you know, because this is his first term as governor for West Virginia.

Speaker 1 So he needs to put a score, but he needs to put a double up somewhere. And for the people of West Virginia going like, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, we should be the ones.

Speaker 1 What's the worst thing that's going to happen? The NCAA is going to hold this against us? Well, what are they going to do? Make us the biggest snub in the history of the March Bounders tournament? Oh,

Speaker 1 that just happened. And we lost our fucking coach because of it, probably.

Speaker 1 So West Virginia, interesting spot, but potentially a pivotal moment here when it comes to selection committees for the NCAA going going forward. Football, basketball.

Speaker 1 I don't know if any of the other tournaments have selection committees. I assume they're taking place in other places, but maybe there's a little bit of a change here.

Speaker 1 But nonetheless, the madness has begun, potentially in a courtroom with the governor and the National Corrupt Athletic Association. And tonight, the madness begins on the court.

Speaker 1 And this is still a wonderful time of year. Even though I'm a West Virginia fan, pouring for West Virginia, it's like, all right, now what's my team in the tournament?

Speaker 1 Let's live for the next couple weeks alongside of them. And hopefully they go on a run.
And hopefully we learn some great stories from this particular March Madness which is normally the case.

Speaker 3 Well and that's why we lost our wagon to St.

Speaker 3 John's because they will be going on a run all the way to the Final Four but that was kind of the difference with the NCAA and the college football playoff.

Speaker 3 Like at least there was a face of that committee and kind of came out and explained why you know certain teams got in certain teams didn't because we dealt with that for how long during the football season about you know South Carolina and Ole Miss and those teams that were right on the end.

Speaker 3 Bama. Yeah, Bama.

Speaker 3 And that lasted a little little while, but at least because there was a face of it at the end of it, and I forget his name, but he did an interview with Reese on the show immediately after the college football playoff was announced.

Speaker 1 Lieutenant General.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Bingo.
But there isn't that for basketball. It's just kind of the only thing we heard about the committee was that one of the guys in it was the AD.
Not the guy in charge of it.

Speaker 3 The guy in charge of it. Yeah, sorry.
It was the AD. of North Carolina.

Speaker 1 So there was this other guy, Keith, that was next to him. Reese Davis interviewed,

Speaker 1 I think his name was Keith or Kevin.

Speaker 1 I do apologize. Bubba's name is being the one being saying, hey, this guy leads the entire thing.

Speaker 1 There was somebody else with Bubba doing this interview, but they were the ones that were saying, like, Bubba wasn't in the room when UNC was discussing. It's like defending him only.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, okay, all right. Wasn't in the room that then, all right, hey, let Bubba back in.
Bubba, we have a couple questions. Do you think you're, well, he can't.

Speaker 1 Because I can't be a part of that discussion. It's like, that's a weird thing.
But in football, there's people that have allegiance. I think Michigan's AD.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Ward Manual.

Speaker 1 yeah people are like the ads can't be in there it's like okay well who are we putting in there who who who are we putting in there media well we can't put media in there right because media has bias as well so yeah can't put coaches like who can we put in the committees i think that is the next question about like i don't know if there's ever going to be a point where uh there won't be conspiracy fodder no and i i don't know if there ever will be because like once again humans are going to act in their own self-interest whenever they are speaking and something.

Speaker 1 Not all humans.

Speaker 1 I understand,

Speaker 1 i believe uh mother teresa she did not act in her self-interest at all our dalai lama uh

Speaker 3 the buddha well

Speaker 1 the buddha from what i've heard the buddha no self-interest but you would think in the selection committees if you want to have that type of power you probably have some sort of moxie you probably have some sort of

Speaker 1 ego pride you probably have some sort of re like it's going to be tough to eliminate all conspiracy fodder even though this one is the biggest of all time

Speaker 1 so hopefully this will pivot and change make it a little better well and that's what like a lot of people were saying.

Speaker 2 Like, hey, maybe you get like a retired athletic director. But that's the thing with college athletics is like the fan bases are rabid.

Speaker 2 So, like, it's it's not like you know, if you're an NFL fan and you're a fan of a team, you could maybe be like a little, you know, kind of more even keel.

Speaker 2 Like, these, these people are always going to go to bat for the schools that they went to or that they're a fan of. And you can't.

Speaker 1 Which is what makes college sports.

Speaker 2 Exactly. It's what makes it great.
It's why everyone loves it.

Speaker 2 And you can't really have just like, like, these people also need to know basketball because if they're going to trot out all this, like, quad one, quad two, quad three, quad four, that's going to be part of the selection process.

Speaker 2 You can't just have some slap dick in there who's just like, you know what?

Speaker 1 North Carolina is always good.

Speaker 2 We should put them in. Like the person actually has to watch college basketball has to know what's going on.
But you're right.

Speaker 2 Like there's, there's never going to be a time where there's not an instance like this because this will probably, it's probably going to happen next year. You know, there's going to be every year.

Speaker 2 Exactly. There's going to be an AD of a school and maybe they'll win their conference championship, so it won't be a big deal.

Speaker 2 But there's also a chance that, you know, the AD, their team's going to be on the bubble and they're gonna recuse themselves from the conversation again and then come right back in and be like so we get in or what yeah so what you guys

Speaker 1 remember I can get you off this yeah no no I wouldn't do that obviously but I could but I could

Speaker 1 two votes you know what I mean I mean it's just like uh I don't know how they fix it and once we got baptized in the college football world uh over the last few years of college game day it's like whenever

Speaker 1 we started trying to figure it out and it's like

Speaker 1 i don't know if if this one, like, obviously fans of teams are thinking their team's always either going to get screwed, right? Like that is what fans are thinking.

Speaker 1 But whenever we're in the middle of it and we're hearing like all every angle of everything, it's like,

Speaker 1 I don't know how they ever get the right answer. Everybody thinks it's just TV.

Speaker 1 It's like, if the TV people wanted everything, now granted, UNC would certainly be one of the schools because of the uniform.

Speaker 1 But it's like, whenever it came to the football, it's like, there's like six. different

Speaker 1 there's like you know like there's a lot of different potential avenues they could go everything can be a story which is why sports are great yeah and uh it's also why college ball is fantastic but i i don't know how they fix any of it we just need to teach ai ball that's the only way to do it because i've seen people say las vegas should be doing all of it for both sports okay so if the books pick the favorites and who they think would win that's not a bad idea but then you're you know You don't think those bookies have a favorite?

Speaker 1 You don't think the odds makers have favorites as well? If they start realizing that they're the fucking, like, okay, we get a lot of action on this team. Just fucking put them right up there.

Speaker 1 Like, then there's an angle for the odds makers on why they're doing it. it.

Speaker 1 There will never be. No.
You know, and if it's AI, well, who coded it? You know, because I will start seeing Stanford get in there.

Speaker 3 Stanford crafts.

Speaker 1 There's just a never-ending supply of things. So that's why you just got to hope you get the right group in there.
Like, legitimately, you just got to.

Speaker 1 hope that you get a right group of people in there.

Speaker 3 There just needs to be a commissioner for every sport in college that has, you know, this many eyes on it.

Speaker 3 Like, that was kind of the takeaway from the college football was like they need a commissioner.

Speaker 3 And how many times do we tell Saban, like, hey, you need to be the commissioner of college football because without just having that one supreme leader like we talk about in you know the NFL on in every organization there's a supreme leader of that team and you kind of need that when it comes to college sports because at least then you are pointing at one person like the Goodell scripted thing people buy into that but we know obviously that is just you know the amount of humans that would have to be in on that exactly and the scapegoat like that is such an easy thing to be like oh my team got screwed this is scripted like at least here here or not at least rather like in this situation it's more so like okay well this guy this is a very valid hey the reason unc got in is because of this ad like at least with a commissioner it's more so like oh this guy sucks hate this guy but it's not as if he's biased to one team or not with an ad of a school being the leader of the committee deciding it's like okay this legitimately could be collusion at the highest order screwing over you know teams like West Virginia and Indiana and Ohio State.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And do they take notes of everything said in there?

Speaker 1 What's that called in those notes? Stenographer. Yeah, stenographer is the typer, but what are they? They're taking the minutes.
The minutes. There it is.
Do they have the minutes of these things?

Speaker 1 Because that would be like, you know, in his governor Morrison going, I'm going to just ask for a discovery of the minutes. I would like to see who was where, when, and who said what, okay, and why.

Speaker 1 I'd like to also know why they did. And then if, you know, we all get a chance to kind of see.

Speaker 1 in the room where it happened, I think

Speaker 1 that'll be good for the future. Nonetheless, let's move along.

Speaker 1 Madness begins tonight. 6.40, True TV.
Find True TV. Let's go.
It's going to be a wonderful tournament. They're saying this is the most talented college basketball tournament that there's ever been.

Speaker 1 Now, are they saying that just because the OCC has so many teams in there? Or are they saying that potentially because the SEC has gotten very, very good? So more good teams are happening.

Speaker 1 More good coaching, more good recruiting, more good players on different teams. Just like in football, you know, you think about the Vanderbilt story.

Speaker 1 Vandi added Diego Pavia, and their entire culture just shifted and changed. So they got in there.
Basketball, that can certainly happen in NIL.

Speaker 1 You bring one great player, maybe you get two great players that you're able to afford. You can completely change everything.
So they're saying this tournament is going to be magical.

Speaker 1 We cannot wait to watch the madness. We'd like to send our congratulations to BG, Brandon Graham of the Philadelphia Eagles.
He has announced his retirement.

Speaker 1 There was a post earlier today that we saw that was kind of alluding to maybe he was done playing football for a living.

Speaker 1 And we'd like to say to Brandon Graham on the multiple Super Bowls and obviously the toughness of bouncing back this particular Super Bowl. So he knew, you know.
Yeah, he knew. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because him coming back was a wild, that was a wild part of the story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, is Brandon Graham actually gonna, that sounds like an injury that's on? Yep, yep, next week. We'll get it.
They open his window, then bang, he's back for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I bet you Brandon Graham probably knew that this was potentially going to be his last game. What a great way to go out on top.
Congratulations to him for that.

Speaker 1 And also showcasing a toughness and a grittiness that nobody will ever be able to question. I think Philadelphia now loses Jason Kelsey last year.
Then they lose Brandon Graham. Cox as well.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's like the next generation of Philadelphia Eagles is in a very good spot, obviously, but it's not easy to pass the torch. Brandon Graham, obviously moving along.
Hell of a career, Bub.

Speaker 1 Hell of a career over there.

Speaker 6 He also re-tor his tricep in that Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 I don't think it was ever.

Speaker 1 It's ever healed. Yeah, I don't think it was ever healed.

Speaker 1 I think there was a scan saying that it was a torn tricep coming after that game. No matter what.
No matter what. Which is dog.
You know, that's just like,

Speaker 1 who's dude for the Panthers linebacker? 13. Thomas.

Speaker 1 Thomas Davis had like 13 in his forearm. Look like a football.
I watched Dwight Freeney like have a broken ankle and like literally dudes were showing up in geese, body experts to work on his ankle.

Speaker 1 Like, I think it was 20 hours a day. They were getting treatment on his ankle.
He ends up with a sack in the Super Bowl just to win a Super Bowl. Like the things people do, just like

Speaker 1 T.O. with his, yeah, his like, like, yeah, that's awesome.
Just an incredible way to to go out. Congrats to him.
Not a lot of guys win the Super Bowl in bats. No.

Speaker 1 You know, that is a, as Ray, obviously, Jerome Bennis did it in his hometown with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Brandon Graham did it.
I mean, there's

Speaker 1 Peyton. I'm sure there's others that have done it, but that's like the dream scenario, I think, that everybody's kind of looking for.

Speaker 3 Yeah, kind of a crazy year for Brandon Graham, too, because remember during the year when he kind of broke the news about A.J. Brown and Jalen Hurts not being friends?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, accidentally.

Speaker 3 Yeah, accidentally just mentioned that in a radio interview. And then for them to still kind of hang on and go win the Super Bowl really is a storybook.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the Cincinnati Bengal. Obviously, they have invested mightily in the trio on offense.
That is Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T. Higgins.

Speaker 1 The graphics and the posts are coming in abundance. Oh, hell yeah.
Cincinnati Bengals already putting out a post to the boys.

Speaker 1 Obviously, this trio right here is going to lead Cincinnati Bengals into the next era and maybe back into the relevancy of the Super Bowl conversation.

Speaker 1 Obviously, an immense amount of talent can win any game on the offensive side, can beat any defense for sure. What will they do with the rest of the roster to get back to the top?

Speaker 1 Would love to see these three win a Super Bowl. That post was certainly something.

Speaker 1 Whenever it came across everybody's feet, a lot of people were wondering what's going on here.

Speaker 1 But I think what they were doing is just kind of, they were around something, you know, and they were kind of just all looking in there.

Speaker 1 You know, but the Bengals understand what they have. And I love the move of paying both these wide receivers.
Now,

Speaker 1 they're going to have to hit,

Speaker 1 but I think Duke Tobin has the ability to be able to do so. Them saying we want to be able to have our guys and be able to move the ball is

Speaker 1 a full strategy decision, knowing that you're going to have to hit on everything else. And if they can, if they can revamp on that defensive side, they'll be able to score against anybody.

Speaker 1 It's like, why not the Bengals? Why not this move?

Speaker 2 A lot is going to be questioned, obviously, about this much of the salary cap towards the offensive finesse football, you know as opposed to running the ball which the eagles just did and they win obviously a super bowl alongside doing it but cincinnati bangles if they have the best offense on the field on any field they feel like they can win a game and it's like why not i'm excited to watch them go and do it and you wonder how much of this has like joe burrow was very very loud publicly saying like hey i want my guys here like i want us to get deals done and with everything that happened with carson palmer them kind of like you know him basically getting to a point where he was like hey i'll retire before i play for this franchise again Like, so you can keep me here or get rid of me or whatever, but I'm never going to be a Bengal again.

Speaker 2 You obviously got to do whatever you can to keep Joe Burrow happy and make sure that he's going to be around for as long as he will be.

Speaker 1 I'd counter that.

Speaker 1 What is Joe Burrow supposed to say? True.

Speaker 1 True. Like, Joe Burrow's doing interviews, so I guess he needs to know that he's going to be asked this.

Speaker 1 But it's like, Joe Burrow is always going to go to bat first guys because Joe Burrow is an Ohio guy. He's a quarterback.

Speaker 1 Like, when Joe Flacco was asked if he thinks he was elite, it's like, what the hell is Joe Flacco supposed to say? I think I'm average, you know, with his little accent that he has.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he's going to say he's elite. So when he's asked about T.

Speaker 1 Higgins and Jamar Chase, it's like, I think he's obligated to say good things, but I don't think he's obligated to say need to have them back, like you were mentioning.

Speaker 1 He has gone out and said, like, we need both these guys back. Now, he can obviously message it differently if he just wanted to give like the politically correct answer and put over his guy.

Speaker 1 I assume he was even surprised that they got the deals done. Probably.
I assume Joey Burrow was like, I did not think that this was possible.

Speaker 1 I don't think many people did think it was possible to get both of the deals done, especially over $100 million for both of them.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I didn't think it was possible. Didn't think it made sense.
But it goes back kind of to like the Tennessee game.

Speaker 1 Jeez, you don't know. No, no, I don't.

Speaker 3 I don't. But it goes back to the Tennessee game.
Like, do you remember that scene on the sideline of Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow? And they're about to win the game.

Speaker 3 You know, they're up by multiple scores. But, you know, Joe Burrow is basically talking about like, this is embarrassing.
You know,

Speaker 3 who knows what he was talking about?

Speaker 3 But I feel like we just kind of saw what the Bengals look like without the defense because that was the big thing when they went to the Super Bowl was how good Jesse Bates.

Speaker 3 And I think that was the first year they had Trey Hendrickson. So I think that's more so why it is head scratching.
But hey, it's going to be electric football.

Speaker 3 Tom Tolesco has been on here before talking about the Chargers. Like, hey, the brand of football that we want is high-flying, you know, scoring a lot of points.
Mike Williams.

Speaker 1 Staley. We were talking about the Staley.
Staley.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a few years ago when he was on here talking about their brand. And that's the Bengals brand.
It's going to be incredibly entertaining watching them every single week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's, you know,

Speaker 1 there's going to be some backdoor covers coming against. Oh, yeah.
The Bengals, but hey, maybe they go and win. Joey Burrow's a winner.

Speaker 1 Jamar Chase is a winner. Higgins is a winner.
Feels like the Bengals have won before. Tough, AFC North.
But why not? Go and get it.

Speaker 6 Tough. And everyone's comparing them.
They're saying like, oh, they're building themselves like the Colts when they had Peyton and Marvin and Reggie.

Speaker 6 But I was like, that didn't, I felt like the defenses were a lot better. So I looked it up.
The year that you guys went to the Super Bowl, the defense was ranked eighth.

Speaker 6 The year before that was seventh. The year before that, it was first.
There was a second in there. Now the year they did win the Super Bowl was 23rd.

Speaker 6 So there was like the outlier in there, but those Colts defenses were good. Like those were not like anything.

Speaker 1 Colts defenses. Yeah, absolutely.
But the way the Colts defense was built and they have a situation in Cincinnati right now is we're going to get the lead and then we're going to get the quarterback.

Speaker 1 You know, but currently Trey Hendrickson is potentially getting traded or not.

Speaker 1 So getting to the quarterback becomes very vital, especially if your offense can move because they're going to have to keep up.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, there's going to be teams that are just going to continue to run. I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles down two scores, they're still handing that ball off.

Speaker 1 But the old adage is if you get a lead, the other team's going to feel like they're going to have to catch up. So they're going to be throwing the ball a little bit more.

Speaker 1 You take them out of control, controlling the game and the game clock. So I think Bill Pollyon's idea was, let's get a good offense, let's get the lead, and then we'll have...

Speaker 1 Dwight Frani, Robert Mathis get. And then they had Bob Sanders roaming back there for a while.
Had smart players everywhere.

Speaker 1 It was uh, they also did it in a dome, yeah, a little different animal, also invested heavily in the offensive line. Yeah, had the boys there for a while.
What a crew! That was a great group.

Speaker 1 I don't think they get talked about much, but they had like the best offense there for a while, like 10 years straight.

Speaker 1 They don't only get talked about. Jeff Saudi gets chatted about, obviously.
Charlie Johnson, Ryan Deem, Lilja.

Speaker 1 They can hammer some beers too, that crew. I met.

Speaker 1 They could really do it. That was a fun group.
They were,

Speaker 1 they were a

Speaker 1 yeah they were a good group hey lads you did good if you're watching

Speaker 1 charlie johnson uh

Speaker 1 left tackle he was awesome he was cool dude card player so uh got along with him i saw him at a wwe event like i mean i hadn't seen him in probably i don't know eight nine years maybe and i'm sitting at the commentary table And there's some massive human being like sitting over here, you know, with his family.

Speaker 1 And it's like third row. And I'm looking over and and I see this thing.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 holy shit, that's Charlie Johnson. And I'm like, so I like try to like look at him.
He looks over at me one time and I go, Charlie,

Speaker 1 good to see you. And he goes, what up, man? I'm like, why didn't you just, and he goes, I don't want to bother.
And I'm like, great to see you. It is great to see you.

Speaker 1 Family, you know, everybody, it's like such a different, it's crazy to watch everybody kind of grow and get older, you know, and kind of mature, I guess is what they say.

Speaker 1 But that offensive line never gets talked about. I do appreciate the fact, though, that maybe that is the model.
I think they're also thinking about what the Eagles did.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Eagles paid two wide receivers, paid a quarterback. They were able to pay a running back.
They had a defense, though, that they just drafted straight out of Georgia. Yep.

Speaker 1 They say, we're going to go straight to Georgia. Give us that defense.
We'll see how they play in the NFL. And it's going to work out.
You just have to hit on your drafts.

Speaker 1 Now, let's talk about Philadelphia. Lane Johnson has restructured his contract.
Way to go, Lane, oh, Lano. Lane oh, obviously multiple Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 1 People talk about this guy as being one of the GOATs, if not the GOAT, right tackle in the NFL. $40 million guaranteed over the next two years.
Good for him. Six-time Pro Bowler, an absolute stud.

Speaker 1 I mean, just an absolute stud out of Oklahoma. And

Speaker 1 whenever you think about that offensive line, obviously you think about how great they are. But Lane Johnson is obviously a pillar, an actual pillar of that offensive line.
Nick Siriani knows that.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Howie knows that. Jeff knows that.
Bradley Cooper probably had to sign off on this deal.

Speaker 1 And Lane Johnson restructures his contract to be able to to give them a little bit more money over there in Philadelphia. They're always working.

Speaker 1 Feels like they always get it right, those Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 No doubt about it. And kind of the reputation that they have now, you know, they pay their players.

Speaker 3 Lane also now becomes that Brandon Graham kind of Kelsey role where he is now the longest tenured Eagle left on the team. So he is kind of that elder statesman.

Speaker 3 Not that he wasn't before, but now he is number one on that list.

Speaker 3 And, you know, especially in that division with Micah Parsons, kind of everything that the commanders, they're linked to Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 3 If they do get traded, like those tackles, him and Mai Lata, they're kind of like the stalwarts of that offensive line now.

Speaker 1 Maiata miced up is awesome. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Singing on the field. Great Moxie.
Great. The whole lane, same exact.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is, that is, you know, people want to invest in everything.

Speaker 1 You have a good offensive line. Your team's going to win games.
That's just. Doesn't matter who's your quarterback.

Speaker 1 It has to be an NFL quarterback. Can't be a UFL quarterback.
Are they still?

Speaker 2 They might still be picking.

Speaker 1 Are they they holding out do we know if you've seen me neither I think so hey listen UFL boys respect that you're like yeah give me my read the room yeah you know and I'm not just saying that as somebody that

Speaker 1 watches UFL I'm just saying like the only thing that's been reported UFL is you lost like 40 million or something like that was that to the point

Speaker 1 of money it was like the the most thing I got great news they stopped their holdout yeah they returned to camp hey not the boys Thank you for doing that they read the room five-day holdout where they get some free Gatorade $7 million each.

Speaker 1 okay yeah yeah i bet they did yeah congrats to the ufl guys

Speaker 3 maybe cameo in one of dwayne's new movies yeah i mean

Speaker 1 i don't even want to get into it there's a lot of that happening in the world right now sure you know like hey just read the room a little bit

Speaker 1 But nonetheless, Lane Johnson gets paid. Congrats to him.
I love everything about Lane. You build up your offensive line.

Speaker 1 That's why there's a lot of new mock drafts coming out. And Will Campbell's not even in top 10, right? Will Campbell was solidified first-rounder, basically.
Everybody's saying out of LSU.

Speaker 1 This guy's the next one. This is the one.

Speaker 1 And runs sub-5-0 at the combine, showcases he's an athlete. His arms measure a little shorter, though, than they want.
Now, new mock drafts are out, and Will Campbell's not even in top 10.

Speaker 1 And I just got done doing a whole speech about if you have a good offensive line, you're going to win games. It's interesting what's happening right now.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's 13th in Kuypers and 10th in Daniel Jeremiah's.

Speaker 6 In Kuyper's in general, there was not an offensive lineman in the top 10. Membu was the first one at 11.
DJ did have Membu going seven to the Jets.

Speaker 6 So it feels like, yeah, it's a little bit of a down year for the offensive lineman in this draft. It's probably why you saw so many teams taking risks on linemen we didn't know about in free agency.

Speaker 6 But as far as the draft goes, yeah, it's not the best offensive lineman year that we've had in a while.

Speaker 1 Congrats to all the offensive linemen during free agency, especially this first couple of days. A lot of money going to a lot of guys we never heard of.

Speaker 1 And good for them. I mean, I'm very, very happy for them.
But there was a lot of dudes that had like 200 snaps. Hey, you're getting paid as if you're now left tackle one.

Speaker 1 We're going to trade this guy. Who's that guy? He's swing guy.
How's he getting $20 million? It's like, well, I guess because the draft class is potentially down.

Speaker 1 Somebody that might know a little bit more about that. A man who has absolutely dominated the draft.
Even though at one point people said he said, fuck these picks.

Speaker 1 He's a Super Bowl champion. He's been able to lead the Los Angeles Rams through a all-in phase and then a, hey, we got a developed phase.

Speaker 1 They got a young team right now, but they have a couple old core pillars. They were just one play away potentially from beating the go-on, the Super Bowl champs, Philadelphia Eagles in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 They get Matthew Stafford back. They trade for Devontae Adams.
Poke and Akua is still on their team, so the vibes are going to be high. The general manager for whose house? Rams house, less need.

Speaker 1 How you doing, man? How's it going? You look super cool.

Speaker 8 You know what? I was listening to y'all.

Speaker 8 I think if you know an offensive lineman's name, usually that's he's jumped off sides or he's had a bad holding call or some unbelievable defensive end like Miles Garrett has ripped him for a sack on third down.

Speaker 8 So it's probably good that you don't know their name.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so too. You're right.
That's like long snappers don't know them unless they send one over somebody's head.

Speaker 1 Offensive linemen, you don't know unless they get cooked.

Speaker 1 I respect that attitude. You had to build up your offensive line though, Les.
So let's talk about you in building your team because obviously we respected the hell hell out of you going all in. Okay.

Speaker 1 We're bringing in Matthew Stafford. Obviously, we got Aaron Donald.
Jalen Ramsey's coming over here. You went all in trying to win.
And you did.

Speaker 1 Wins a Super Bowl in Los Angeles whenever there was, you know, who's going to be the team of this city, especially when it's hosting a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And then everybody talks about kicking the can down the road, kicking the can down the road. Inevitably, that can is going to come to fruition.
It did.

Speaker 1 And you have transitioned now into drafting a younger team, a core team that's going to be able to come up.

Speaker 1 Do you think that is accurate? That there's two different ways that you have to build a team?

Speaker 1 And in your mind, is the draft the most important part of the bounce back after you kick can down the road, as they say with the salary cap?

Speaker 8 Definitely. I think you could call it, there's many ways we've seen it happen where you look at all the teams that actually cashed in, right, won the trophy, was able to do the

Speaker 8 city parade. There's a lot of ways to do that, but I do think there's an element of

Speaker 8 cyclicalness to it. There's a cycle where teams are going to go through.
It's different from or similar to college football, right? Where you, maybe you have this senior class.

Speaker 8 Maybe you're in Michigan when Harbaugh had his senior class. And then all of a sudden this year they go to a younger class.

Speaker 8 So it probably depends on what phase, what window, what stage you're in as a team.

Speaker 1 I will continue this football talk, but I thought that was a picture of you that like somebody drew on your wall there.

Speaker 1 Why do I have such a good jawline right there on your on your wall over your left shoulder?

Speaker 8 You know what? This is, I'm in Artist Twinman's office, and I believe we have someone.

Speaker 8 It works in our studios.

Speaker 8 She's an artist, and anytime artists allow someone to do a Zoom here, she likes to, let's call it, paint, draw, scribble the picture of whoever they think is the most important person on the Zoom call is.

Speaker 8 In this case, it's you. Think it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 It's kind of a linebacker look. You know, it's not necessarily a punter look.
Kind of if you'd have gone to West Virginia, played inside, back her.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah, not tough enough, but what? It does have that feel with that jawline.

Speaker 1 I like artists. You know, shout out to artists.
Hey, I'm a big fan of artists. You let artists know I respect him.
We were not always on good terms. I think that might have been a one-way street.

Speaker 1 Then at the Super Bowl, got a chance to chat with him. Good lad.
He's a good man. And you let him know.

Speaker 8 Isn't it good when you come together, you put your differences on the table? You know what? Come up with the parameters, the partnership, and you know what? Let's work this out. So, okay.

Speaker 8 So you know what he told me, though? He told me it all started with Johnny Hecker kind of misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 8 And I was thinking about when Johnny just signed with the Titans. I mean, wow, what a guy's 35.
What a career he's had.

Speaker 1 Yeah, crush to the Carolina as well. We're talking about hitting bombs over there.

Speaker 1 Obviously, for you guys at the Rams, he becomes one of the greatest of all time, and he continues at the Tennessee Titans. He's going to love it down there.

Speaker 1 You know, if they can get a squad, he's going to love Nashville. And speaking of loving people, let's get back to that.

Speaker 1 You talked about, you know, coming to parameters, sitting down, putting it to the side right there with me and Artists, which we certainly did at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Matthew Stafford, okay, let's talk about this situation. He was open to go explore opportunities, I believe, is how it was being worded.

Speaker 1 Is that so you can test out, hey, what is a fair market value? What is the market saying?

Speaker 1 And then when you inevitably sit down with him, and I assume Sean McVay's there as well, what is that conversation to continue on and continue to win another Super Bowl for the Rams?

Speaker 8 Yeah, that was, it was a really, it was definitely a unique experience.

Speaker 8 It was really fruitful, very rejuvenating to all of us. And I think at the end of the day, the partnership with the franchise QB, right, is a nickname, franchise QB.

Speaker 8 And there comes with parameters and there's trade-offs with those parameters.

Speaker 8 But at the end of the day, we're partnering, right, to go on this journey to chase great, to chase good, to be better than good. And there's some stress and drudgery with that.

Speaker 8 But each year since the Super Bowl, once we came back and redid his contract and once the contract, and he's still under contract and we come back every year, there's this element of working through some of those parameters, those trade-offs.

Speaker 8 And sometimes there's, you know, there's an element of friction there when you go through those situations. The neat thing about that month.

Speaker 8 Even though it was, it was kind of, it was a grueling month to work through, hey, are we going to trade Matthew? Is Matthew going to want to go somewhere else? Is he going to want to come back here?

Speaker 8 At the end of the day, everyone, Matthew,

Speaker 8 his family, Sean, our coaching staff, myself, our organization, we all realized, you know what, we really want to take on this journey together.

Speaker 8 And it was a cool op, a cool to, let's call it rekindle our relationship, get rejuvenated to go chase great.

Speaker 8 Because there's stress and drudgery that comes with chasing great, especially when you're a franchise QB.

Speaker 1 Yeah, especially when you're as great as Matthew Stafford is. And obviously with how great he has played.
And Sean McVay's offense is spectacular.

Speaker 1 And I think the way he and Sean have worked together has been awesome for the Rams. Obviously, it has been very fruitful.
Allegedly, he was offered like $100 million guaranteed to go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 So, whatever the drudgery and conversation and rekindling that you guys had, seems like it was great. Allegedly, he turned down

Speaker 1 tens of millions. Everybody hates moving, which I assume you did hammer home a couple of times.
But I think watching him go back made me feel like, okay, that's a real Ramley over there.

Speaker 1 That's a real fan.

Speaker 8 No doubt. And the stress and drudgery is the journey, right? The climb.
It's a steep hill every year.

Speaker 8 But again,

Speaker 8 there can be some friction when you're going through, okay, what are going to be the parameters of what we're, let's call it, paying the QB?

Speaker 8 And what, and also, hey, we're trying to build a team around him. So let's go chase greatness.
That's where some of the friction comes into it.

Speaker 8 But at the end of the day, as we went through that month, you know what? It worked out and we're all jacked to be partnering.

Speaker 1 Him walking in. 100 million guaranteed they're offering me.
I'm 37 years old, bro. How do you

Speaker 1 What do you, that's an interesting give and take. Happy you ended up where you are.
Now, I can't wait to watch him work. Now, Cooper Cup obviously is a member of the Seattle Seahawks.
He goes home.

Speaker 1 You guys had a great run together. You've said nothing but respectful things about him, and he has said the same back.

Speaker 1 Now, you bring in Devontae Adams, who is, I think, eager to get back into relevant football. Why was Devontae Adams a guy that you wanted in your building?

Speaker 1 And Sean McVay cutting up highlights and voicing over them and sending them to him while he's recruiting them. Is that always a part of your guys' process to get people to become members of the Rams?

Speaker 1 Genius shit.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah. Sean would, he would do really well in college football.
Maybe not in the NIL era, but back in the old days when you really recruited.

Speaker 8 I do know this, when you're a player and you really, really prioritize being really good at football and you appreciate the,

Speaker 8 let's call it the

Speaker 8 collective and what comes with winning, Sean's Sean's really, really good at connecting with those players because Sean's going to mention and he's going to outline how we're all going to go chase that greatness we were talking about.

Speaker 8 So that's, and there, and Devontae just brings a skill set to the element, I mean, to our table.

Speaker 8 It's the next iteration of what we want to do is as Sean and his staff have worked through where we've been, where we're trying to go, what we're trying to accomplish, how you're adjusting to the league, how the league's adjusting to the defending you.

Speaker 8 The enemy has a say sometimes, and Sean and his staff is always trying to stay ahead of that gosh

Speaker 2 you're messaging man it's like hey this is how we operate it's very clear that you guys have a direction over there in los angeles you and sean being on the same page is i think key to all of it ty has a question for you yeah speaking of that what what is your relationship like with coach mcveay obviously he's very passionate and kind of intense and it seems like someone kind of needs to match his energy in order to get along with him for as long as you guys have uh so what is that relationship you know, whether it's personal or your working relationship like with him on a day-to-day basis?

Speaker 8 I mean, overload,

Speaker 8 it's really, really special. One of my favorite ones on planet Earth as

Speaker 8 we've gotten in the bunker and

Speaker 8 tried to do hard things together. So here's what here's a great story.
And I tell Sean this all the time. We hired him when he was 30 years old.
And that story's been written, right?

Speaker 8 You reverse engineer it, and it's like a no-brainer. You should have hired him when he was 29.
I've often kidded with Sean.

Speaker 8 There's no doubt we've changed your life for the good, but boy, did we probably ruin it as well. You just think about it.
How many 30-year-olds that you know, I mean, it certainly wasn't me.

Speaker 8 It's like when you're 30 to 39, you can kind of be a professional, but you can still goof around and maybe not have to be a head coach of the Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 8 So there's an element that I'm a big brother. We have this neat chemistry that, you know what, we can go out and have a boxing match and then go have a beer afterwards.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 But you put on some boxing gloves. And I think y'all did a video of him.
You've seen him squatting recently.

Speaker 8 So we're definitely not going to wrestle because boy, could he, I mean, I'm getting jealous of him. I used to be

Speaker 8 back in high school, state champion weightlifter. And man, now you go grab Sean.
Holy cow, when you grab Sean now, you're like, man,

Speaker 8 I have really gotten weak in my 50s.

Speaker 1 So there's an element.

Speaker 8 go ahead no yeah i want to i want to oh yeah i had to bring that on only because i'm jealous human nature jealous of sean right he he gets the video

Speaker 8 i mean but again he was using that safety bar back in my day pat we didn't do safety bar no no this is straight bar this is old school yeah yeah put it on your back go down get parallel yeah you know kind of stare at the judges and then come up yeah not this yeah not the safety bar yeah now did i immediately text andrew whitworth and ask him where can i get that safety bar from my gym yeah is that the only bar i'm going to squat with for the rest of my life yeah but sean getting after it in there uh with wit with i mean look at that wwe championship belt he's got on yeah

Speaker 1 whitworth's wearing one of those as well in there and you know he's got a dumper still oh oh wit worth he's still got a big pooper you know that thing is uh way out there good explosion so you don't lift over at the village you don't get in there you know it's interesting uh uh ryan sorenson who who works works with Wit, who's who trains, I can tell you this, Pat,

Speaker 8 a little bit after COVID, got back into working out a little bit with Ryan Sorensen. Wit was still playing then, so Wit didn't have his gym then.
I can tell you this.

Speaker 8 I went through about a year with Ryan, and I looked at him. I said, Ryan, you know what? I work out to have fun.

Speaker 8 This is just not fun. I mean, he would wear me out.
I would want to throw up doing just bands, a band workout. And I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 8 I didn't come here to puke doing bands but you know what they've gotten sean into doing it and boys he

Speaker 8 obviously you know the tape the tail of the tape the tape doesn't lie they're saying that's like 500 pounds on his back they're saying puka's puking all those workouts sounds like ryan sorenson is a puke bucket creator i i uh oh there's nothing he's old yeah he's puke bucket yeah i can tell you this though about puka i don't know it seems like puka pukes all the time it could be first quarter it could be after a touchdown it could be at halftime i think he just pukes uh

Speaker 1 can't can't spell you know i don't know that's true

Speaker 8 luke is the best he he going back to that i do think here's the neat thing about sean and working with him is obviously sean his coaches they they design the systems right there of what they're trying to uh get accomplished on game day how how they're going to deploy each player and and sean's got this way and it's why he's gonna be really good on television he can explain it in a madnessque way where it's plain as sight is you know exactly right what type type of player, what edge they bring to the table, no matter where they're at in the draft and free agency, and how they can really, really help us in a specific role.

Speaker 8 And I think that's one of the, that's one of the, that's why Devontae watched that video and said, you know what?

Speaker 8 We're going to have fun in LA, but you know what? They prioritize football there. Guess what?

Speaker 8 When we go have personnel meetings or draft meetings or free agency meetings, yeah, we're going to be, we're going to be throwing around some, what's the, the movie,

Speaker 8 Wedding Crashers quotes yes but sean's also going to really really articulate along with his staff hey you know what this is what we need this position to do right and it might even be uh pat a punter who not only can putt but can kick off so that's why we drafted ethan evans in the in the probably fifth sixth round a couple years ago right because we knew we might have been going with an older kicker didn't want to uh you know waste his leg kicking off so uh it's it's very clear and concise on what we're looking for that's uh i love that you think that deep, and I like that his communication ability probably helps out the entire building.

Speaker 1 Hey, this is what we need. This is what we're looking for.
You can obviously go find that. Ethan Evans is a dog.
You're talking about in the weight room now.

Speaker 1 He's posting videos of him squatting and deadlifting.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He's a monster.
You got a lot of monsters.

Speaker 8 You got to get your producers, directors, whoever's down. I mean, I feel like we should have some clips going of Ethan Evans right about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, director.

Speaker 1 Get to it.

Speaker 8 Let's go back-to-back, kind of Rich Eisen40, this thing with, you know, Ethan and Sean squatting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I think Ethan's got him pretty good. This is him right here.
Uh-oh.

Speaker 8 Oh, that's a hell of a job by someone in your

Speaker 1 world. That's all Zito in the back.
I don't know if he's directing anything, but he's certainly producing some magic back there.

Speaker 8 Think about this. This is our head coach and punter.
You know, this isn't an offensive lineman that you don't know their name. This is a head coach and punter.

Speaker 1 They're saying 585 pounds right there. Ethan Evans, the punter.
It's like,

Speaker 1 hell yeah. We got dogs over there in L.A.
Now, speaking of that, let's go to your drafting process. AP Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Les, people are starting to notice that you might have a kind of guy that you go after.

Speaker 6 All these stud defensive linemen that you have drafted, they all started at small schools and then transferred to bigger schools and had success there.

Speaker 6 Verse went to Albany, Turner was at Richmond, Byron Young was at Georgia military, and Fisk was at Western Michigan before they all transferred to their schools.

Speaker 6 Is that just a coincidence, or is there something in guys going up a level, continuing to play well that you you like in drafting a defensive lineman that has been so successful?

Speaker 8 You know, I think it's probably a very fruitful coincidence.

Speaker 8 It's not necessarily a prerequisite at the end of the day, but I do think that the moral to that story or maybe a lesson in there is, right, each one of those players bet on themselves along the way.

Speaker 8 Each one of those players, right,

Speaker 8 had this dream to play at a certain level of the video game and maybe out of high school didn't quite get to the level of the video game they wanted to. But you know what? They signed up.

Speaker 8 They persevered. They were resilient.
They got better each day and they worked their way up to that next level of the video game. And when they got there, guess what? They dominated.

Speaker 8 And you know what? We said, you know what? Hey, let's make you, let's bring you to the Rams house per se.

Speaker 1 The Young Core D-line is probably what makes you most excited. about the potential next few years and what you think this team could be.
You have some pivotal positions on young contracts.

Speaker 1 That is a massive ordeal, I would assume. And at what moment this past season did you know that these guys could be real? Because at the beginning, they're going into the trade deadline.

Speaker 1 It was maybe you guys are going to be sellers. Like, hey, maybe this isn't the year.
Then I think some health happened.

Speaker 1 Is that the moment that you realized like maybe this year is a good year for this team? Or did you think you were a year out?

Speaker 1 How did you kind of view that young defense and defensive line throughout the season?

Speaker 8 From the start, from the start, we always knew, okay, we appreciated on paper, right, who we thought these players could be and where they could get to. Maybe they weren't there then.

Speaker 8 And probably as individuals and even as a collective unit. But each game, you could tell, you could see that group evolving again as individuals and then as a group.

Speaker 8 And then obviously at the end of the season, they were applying as much pressure.

Speaker 8 And we even had some of those games, right, on Sean McVay-like games where

Speaker 8 we're winning 10 to 9 per se. We were a defensive bunch.
So we always felt like

Speaker 8 let's just hang in there. Let's let this group keep evolving.

Speaker 8 Again, when you're one and four

Speaker 8 and you got a Thursday night game, probably against the probably three and one or four and one Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 8 And boy, that's when they were rolling and Coach Flores had, you know, they were, they were coming. That's not where you want to be.

Speaker 8 But you know what? That challenge,

Speaker 8 that was a pivotal challenge that this young team, and we were taking on water too.

Speaker 8 Some of our studs were still injured and we didn't have them back. but we got Puka back that night.

Speaker 8 He ignited a confidence in the building where, you know what, originally he was going to play the following week. He walked in on Monday and said, you know what? Let's do it on Thursday night.

Speaker 8 And I think from that moment on, let's go. Let's go.
Let's get in the ring and make this happen. And then you just take it one at a time.
But going back to the defense.

Speaker 8 You could see them that you felt like they were going to evolve and they got there pretty quick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd say. And then I remember after that Thursday night, remember you guys ripped the helmet off the guys.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah, Sam

Speaker 1 right off Sam's head there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how you guys want to get I remember that you guys cheated But nonetheless you guys get a big time win I remember that you remember that obviously you got it Every now and then, you know, you got to get return on good luck

Speaker 8 Every now and then an official misses the call don't complain about it.

Speaker 1 You know either sometimes it goes your way sometimes it doesn't amen now going your guys's way multiple times in big situations down in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 Nonetheless, nonetheless, I love it's means you guys are living right. That's why it's happening.

Speaker 1 But from that moment, I think once you guys started winning, it was like, these guys are going to be trading at the deadline to, wait a minute, nobody wants to see the Rams right now.

Speaker 1 And that's literally how the season ended all the way up into that Eagles game whenever Jalen Carter just decides he's going to become a superhuman again in the middle of that.

Speaker 1 It's like, your team was fun to watch this year. It was like watching a team kind of go.

Speaker 1 I don't want to say this is a bad example, but I just want to, from JV to like varsity, it was like watching your team evolve into like the team that they can be. Excited to watch them going forward.

Speaker 3 Now, on that note, you had to pick pick or you had to fix a very important part of the team good con man yeah another group that involved evolved less was the offensive line and you guys actually just moved on from Jonah Jackson just because of how good the draft picks that you had kind of worked out how did that kind of progress throughout the year and how hard is it to find the right lineman for you know a Sean McVay system

Speaker 8 It's it's a little bit difficult, right? Because we have a specific skill set, but we won't get into that. I think we always want quality offensive line.

Speaker 8 Going to Jonah, and he's a quality offensive lineman. I mean, we've seen what he did in Detroit.

Speaker 8 The interesting thing there is is we attempted to move Steve Avila, who had played really well at guard for us his rookie year to center. He had been a center and guard at TCU.

Speaker 8 And at the end of the day, both Steve... When Steve got injured during the process of

Speaker 8 training to be the center, Jonah has a center background to him. So we even said, let's move Jonah there now that Steve's hurt.
And then Jonah got hurt.

Speaker 8 End of the day, now we're training two players who've been a guard in the NFL. We're trying to make them center.
And oh boy, it's not going well. And they're both injured.

Speaker 8 And so when we're in camp in pads, when you really are, you know, stressing under fire to figure out, can we do this?

Speaker 8 We didn't have either one of those. Then here comes Bo Lemmer, says, I'll take the job.
So at the end of the day, once we got to the end of the season, we were probably,

Speaker 8 again uh return on bad luck right bad luck being the injury to steve avila and jonah jackson the good luck we drafted bo lemmer so now we felt like we were probably one extra starter uh in terms of jonah steve and big k dot at guard and we felt like this was the best thing for the team and even jonah Because we could have brought Jonah back.

Speaker 8 We could have gone to a three-guard rotation. You might have an injury and Jonah fits right in.
But I know Jonah really wanted to,

Speaker 8 you know, go play, have a chance. And then they're got to give Jonah Jackson credit, Pat.
You've been in the locker rooms. This guy's making $17 million.

Speaker 8 He goes through feeling guilty, like, I'm not starting and I'm making $17. And you're like, you know what? It's okay.
We got into a conundrum, but we're winning here.

Speaker 8 And he goes out and he does scout team. I mean,

Speaker 8 he's like the leader. I mean, that's a man.
And I wish him nothing. And I know why Ben Johnson and the Bears and Ryan Poles, I know why they

Speaker 8 attacked going after him because of Ben's probably relationship with him in Detroit and Chicago needing offensive linemen. And let's go.
Rest is history.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Chicago. It sounds like you're getting a dude, you know, like that type of buy-in.
And I feel bad.

Speaker 8 You're getting a dude. That's a dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 1 Hey, look at Chicago. Wow, wow.
Hey, look at Chicago.

Speaker 1 Hey, last question here. We're coming up on a hard out.
We can't thank you enough for your time. Honestly, this is very, very kind of you.
Shout out to Artists.

Speaker 1 You know, shout out to Artist and the artist in the office that threw my face as a Jacked person. What should we know about this particular draft?

Speaker 1 You know, there's a lot of conversation about like, is there high-end talent? Is there more depth of talent? Like, what do you think about this particular draft class as a whole?

Speaker 1 And what will the storyline be, you think, the day after the draft?

Speaker 8 You know,

Speaker 8 every draft has talent. It'll be a fun draft only because you think about last year, seven.
I think we picked 19.

Speaker 8 Last year, seven QBs went before pick 19. It's probably a reason why someone like Jared Vurse got pushed to 19.
You never know. Maybe it would have fallen to 19 anyway.

Speaker 8 Maybe he would have gone pick 15, I don't know, a little bit earlier if it wasn't those seven QBs. It doesn't seem like this year there's going to be seven QBs that go before pick 19.

Speaker 8 So that is going to be the, for the first time in a while, how many QBs actually go?

Speaker 8 in the first round how many go you know before pick 15 all those things and what that does now is all of a sudden let's call it position players start getting picked right earlier and earlier.

Speaker 8 So it's going to be a fascinating draft of position players and not just QB dominated. And it'll be fun to, hey, take the day after the draft.

Speaker 8 Whatever that storyline is, that's going to be irrelevant. That'll be good content for maybe your show on Monday, maybe Tuesday.

Speaker 8 But I can tell you this, it'll be interesting to see, right, how these players who get picked in this first round and even second round, things like that, what they're doing two and three years down the road.

Speaker 8 Only because, hey, it's going to be the first year where it might be the least amount of QBs, you know, picked in the first round in a long time.

Speaker 1 I love the general manager saying, Yeah, we're judging drafts the day after the draft. Why don't we wait two, three years and see who's a winner, who's not.

Speaker 1 You certainly have been, and we appreciate you taking the time, Les. Have a great day.

Speaker 8 Hey, appreciate it. Always enjoy it.

Speaker 1 Hey, can artists sign that photo and send that, or is that dry erase?

Speaker 8 Oh, we're sending it to you.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Artists, I need an autograph from you, Artist.
Appreciate that. You're the the best, ladies and gentlemen.
Let's sneeze.

Speaker 1 That was awesome.

Speaker 1 Artists, what a relationship.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was an interesting little photo there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what happened there. His example was the person in the office draws the person who's the most important on Zoom to put over there.

Speaker 1 And I think that's less trying to put us over there. Sure.
I do wonder if they just had a photo of me in Artis's office, though, for like the last three or four years. Dartboard type thing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's a dartboard board. Exactly.
Because

Speaker 1 I think some, I don't know about all people, but I think there is a good amount of people at the Los Angeles Rams building who watch our program for sure and are fans of our program, but we never reach out to them because of their PR guy artists.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 So then artists at Super Bowl comes over and goes, hey, man, if I

Speaker 1 apologize. I don't know how this guy sideways.
I don't know why. Yeah.
And I'm like, that was very kind of you. And I told him what happened.
He goes, I'm sorry I did that.

Speaker 1 And it was probably just like a glip, a blip in his world. But for me, I'm like, fuck that guy.
He's a good man.

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Speaker 13 Madness

Speaker 1 is happening tonight. March Madness officially tips off with a couple play-in games on True TV starting at 6.40 Eastern.
Where's True TV? That's a question you're asking yourself.

Speaker 1 You find it tonight because you're going to need it. Okay.
You're going to need it this weekend.

Speaker 1 You're going to need it for about the month going forward because we're about to find out who's the greatest college basketball team on planet Earth.

Speaker 1 Madness is in store. Magic is on the horizon.
And one team will change the trajectory of their school forever.

Speaker 1 And one team cheated their way in to the entirety of it in the North Carolina Tar Hills, allegedly. Now, are they going to beat San Diego State tonight? They're favored by four and a half.
Sure.

Speaker 1 If they were to play West Virginia, would they beat West Virginia? No, I don't think so. No way.
Especially from what I've been looking into. How are you in quad one games, UNC? Not good.

Speaker 1 How's West Virginia in quad one games? Great. Ask the governor of West Virginia.
He'll tell you all of the stats.

Speaker 1 But tonight the madness starts and uh i'll tell you i'm not obviously clearly the biggest college basketball human okay i didn't grow up in a college basketball town although the pick teams were good with dixon as the coach very good they were awesome to watch they were fun to watch and i did follow along but i didn't keep track of everything going on every single year it's the same story whenever we get captivated by this particular sport we get captivated by the performances and the storylines and we get captivated by some small school that goes on a run because all you got to do is get hot for eight games, seven games, whatever it is, six games, whatever the hell it is.

Speaker 1 You get it.

Speaker 1 And if you get hot,

Speaker 1 you steal the show.

Speaker 1 And some guys will launch themselves into lottery picks. Some guys will change an entire state's economy.

Speaker 1 Some team will disappoint everybody. And that's what the madness is all about.
The talks of tables here at Boston Conner Net Tyship Man. Con man, this is the best fit you've ever had on this show.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yes.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Very agree.
I thought the same thing.

Speaker 1 Really? While we were talking in the first hour, you were speaking, and I didn't want to interrupt you and just stop you from what you were saying. But I was like, the hat bill matches the hoodie.

Speaker 1 And then I believe the underhalf of the...

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, and then this is blue, and on your hat, there's blue. Blue.
I mean, it's...

Speaker 6 Yeah, because a lot of times the pants are black with like a blue t-shirt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you dress like an asshole usually.

Speaker 3 I have a purple t-shirt on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that looks kind of bluish, especially next to the...

Speaker 1 I was going to wear the purple wolf shirt. Hey, this is a good fit, dude.

Speaker 3 Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
While you were talking about that.

Speaker 1 That is magical, like March. That's Madness March right there.
This is Madness. It's Madness.
This is one shining moment.

Speaker 1 For your fits.

Speaker 3 This is my first good fit. I really appreciate that.
You know, this is a surreal experience.

Speaker 3 While we were talking about that, I feel like I just remembered everything about DJ Burns last year, NC State, the big man. We were kind of having a conversation with him before.

Speaker 3 I believe he is now in South Korea, basically running the entire country, playing basketball over there, leading some team to what is sure the South Korean basketball championship, I would assume.

Speaker 3 But it is, there's always those players that, you know, change their lives, change an economy, but also just like come out of nowhere and make a name for themselves.

Speaker 1 Like, I'll always.

Speaker 3 And then disappear. And then, yeah, and then become nothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, I'll, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Become nothing.

Speaker 1 Do you understand what I'm saying? Exactly.

Speaker 3 In the basketball world, like Steph Curry, for instance, became, you know, Steph Curry, started as Davidson. I didn't know who that was.
was until that incredible run.

Speaker 3 And then now he's, you know, considered one of the greatest college basketball players, or sorry, just basketball players of all time.

Speaker 3 Then there are DJ Burns who have this incredible run, and they just become those players that kind of define March. Because, I mean, what was NC State last year? An 11-seed? Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, something like that. And then DJ Burns became this guy who was scoring 30 every single time they played.
Obviously, Jimmer for Dead, things of that nature as well.

Speaker 1 Gulky, Robert Golky. Gulky.
Dead, boom, from Oakland.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was incredible.

Speaker 1 Who's the white dude old miss?

Speaker 1 Henderson? Yeah. Yeah.
Marshall Henderson. Marshall.
There it is.

Speaker 1 This tournament always creates

Speaker 6 St. Peters.
Can't remember his name, but he was.

Speaker 1 Oh, Drew.

Speaker 3 Drew Peters. Doug Eater.
Doug Eater.

Speaker 1 Doug Eater.

Speaker 1 He got some good motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
So this is what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 Play the game. And we could have never guessed any of that was going to take place before the tournament.
No. Which is why this is such a magical ride.

Speaker 1 You know, for the next couple weeks, we get to talk about shit that's never going to be able to be talked about again. Yeah.
There's going to be some coach is going to draw up some play.

Speaker 1 It's some mid-major, and he's going to be maybe talked about as going to Iowa or talking about going to Indiana. Yeah.
Or maybe going to

Speaker 1 West Virginia.

Speaker 2 He's got a three-horse race right now.

Speaker 1 Ty, what the hell is going on with the coaching staff?

Speaker 2 I have no idea. Yeah, the DeVries situation is crazy.
Obviously, there were reports that came out that he was in Iowa City yesterday meeting with their athletic director.

Speaker 2 A little bit of background for people who don't know. He was Drake's head coach.
His younger brother was an an all-American at

Speaker 1 Drake is in Iowa.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, Drake University, who's in the tournament this year. It's in Des Moines.
His younger brother was an all-American D-lineman at Iowa, played for the Lions.

Speaker 2 He played basketball at UNI, but a lot of people have said, hey, that's like a dream job. Go back home, be able to coach at Iowa.

Speaker 2 But now they're saying, hey, Indiana, he's the top candidate for Durham.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 He's the top candidate for that job.

Speaker 1 How come West Virginia isn't the top candidate for DeVerse?

Speaker 2 But that's the thing is.

Speaker 1 He's currently our head coach.

Speaker 2 But we haven't heard that, like, you know, hey, he's done at West Virginia. He's going to go seek one of these jobs.

Speaker 2 Now, if he was in Iowa City, then you would think that there's a chance he is looking. But then they're also talking about Drake's head coach, where he used to be saying, hey, Indiana also likes him.

Speaker 2 Iowa likes him. That could be a spot, West Virginia.

Speaker 2 So it's almost like every coach who is available or who's going to take that next step up, they're either going to find themselves at Iowa, Indiana, or West Virginia.

Speaker 3 So we really don't know what the hell's going on.

Speaker 1 I talked to Whitey earlier, West Virginia podcast host.

Speaker 3 Of course. Great voiceover guy.

Speaker 1 Great voiceover. Did the one whenever we went back to West Virginia?

Speaker 3 Great last place in fantasy football. Great podcast host.

Speaker 1 West Virginia, absolutely old grandpa. West Virginia's being viewed as like a mid-major right now.
Okay. You just mentioned Drake.
Yeah. Yeah, they love their coach at Drake.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, West Virginia, their coach might have it.

Speaker 1 We're in a Big 12, okay?

Speaker 1 We have been dancing deep in the dance plenty of times before. Plenty? We have a...
Yes. Well, B-line did it.
Huggins did it. Hell, fucking Jerry West played for West Virginia.
Okay, so

Speaker 1 you need to figure it the fuck out before you start talking. I know you look cool, but let's just, you know,

Speaker 3 I forgot about Huggy the same way he forgets, you know, when he's drinking.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 I like Huggy. I like Huggy.
I love it. I believe he is admitted to problems.
Obviously, can't be doing it.

Speaker 1 I think he's getting healthier, hopefully, like everybody is, especially in this particular climate world

Speaker 1 with technology and everything like that. And yeah, I think that happened back back-to-back.
It was right, yeah. Yeah, it was like back-to-back.

Speaker 1 A lot happened there, but nonetheless, we get kicked out of the tournament for some other team. Yeah.
You know, like clearly, 111 bracketologists, they own a shit about the small school West Virginia.

Speaker 2 Absolutely jobbed.

Speaker 1 Almost intentionally, it feels like. And then now our coach, like, maybe he is okay

Speaker 1 down there at West Virginia. It's like, what the, why is this happening? Ren.
Hey, Ren. Answer a phone.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't know who's calling, but answer the phone.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, he's answering your calls. It's not like he's not picking up the.

Speaker 1 Haven't talked to Ren in months. Okay, I have not.
Months? But Ren needs to answer the phones. I don't know who's calling.
He needs to maybe pick up the phones. Enough of this.

Speaker 1 Now, he put out a statement saying, DeVries and us have a very good convo, you know. Heartbroken for WV hoops.
This is after the committee didn't.

Speaker 1 Last night, Ren put out a quote about like, hey, the future very bright together with DeVries, and you know, and he is our type of guy. I met him at Rich Rod's press conference.
He was there.

Speaker 1 Cool dude. Very casual.
Just walked in, tap up. How you doing? This is what we like.
His kid, who was a stud, came over from Drake.

Speaker 1 He gets hurt then. Like that was literally the week it happened.
Team still goes on to win games. Not enough.
They're still in the conversation, which is kind of a tough thing.

Speaker 1 I think West Virginia, you're like, oh, this team,

Speaker 1 how would they do if they did get, you know, like that whole conversation? They just don't like that they're getting treated as like a nothing, like getting treated like a nothing university.

Speaker 1 In the DeVries convo, it's like, yeah, I was going to hire him or Indiana's going to hire him. It's like, I understand Indiana because we live in a state, love basketball.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Now, Kurt Signetti, what he's been able to do with the football team, how much money he's been able to raise, has that taken money away from the basketball thing? I doubt it.

Speaker 1 They fucking, they love hoops out here. They love Hoosier hoops out here.
They do not love that it has been irrelevant for a while at the Indiana basketball operation.

Speaker 1 So like, maybe that's like one of the schools that he could have like. you know, whenever he was in his thing, Iowa going back home.
I know it's a story and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Well, he just got to West Virginia, but he's like, we got some special special stuff to do, especially after you get a job by the NCAA. You can literally use that as an entire motivator.

Speaker 1 Like my first year here, remember what happened, and then go on a run. Nobody's saying that, though, for West Virginia.
Only thing that's being said is, this guy's gone.

Speaker 1 It's just, where is he headed to?

Speaker 1 How the hell is he getting out of the Big 12 to get to the Big 10? It's like, DeVries, we want you, bud.

Speaker 1 So do we.

Speaker 1 So, you know, you guys are going to have to, hey, listen, you know, you're going to have to come to the plate. You're going to have to come to the plate and do something.

Speaker 3 Maybe give him a raise or something.

Speaker 1 i know in football the coaching contracts are a lot bigger in the big 10 i assume they are a lot bigger in basketball yeah you know yeah but the basketball and the big 12 people been talking about it it's good it is good is it because kansas is like a seventh seed now it kind of had a bad year

Speaker 1 i think big 12 basketball i think kansas okay and and arizona what's arizona a fourth seed this year i mean do they even have a one not bad they're under they're under respect as well so they got a little chip on their shoulder joining us now is a guy whose team didn't make it in the tournament, but they don't care because Ryan Day is talking about football again.

Speaker 1 He's a gentleman, college football, national champion, Super Bowl champion, rider cup winner, AJ Hawk.

Speaker 1 AJ,

Speaker 1 I don't know if your guys as coaches getting plucked everywhere, but that's happening in West Virginia right now.

Speaker 1 And I can't wait for these games to start so that the madness isn't just about West Virginia getting fucked, you know? Like, I would like the games to start so it can just be that.

Speaker 9 I tell you what, Governor Morrissey and his presser that you guys showed clips of, that was amazing.

Speaker 9 Is he citing 111 brachatologists as like his, this is the research, these are the people

Speaker 9 who are bracketologists and who names that?

Speaker 9 Do you get, when do you go from, hey, I'm a writer to a bracketologist, like I'm an expert at this situation?

Speaker 1 Well, you just gotta, you gotta showcase an ability.

Speaker 6 Go to school for it.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Pete, yeah, you gotta showcase that you're good. You know, like, how do gamblers go from gamblers to professional gamblers? I think it's like a 60-some percent hit.

Speaker 1 There's like a rate that some gambling sites higher.

Speaker 6 Again, you got to quit your day job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to quit your day job. You got to hit a certain percentage, and then you can become like one of these at some of these professional gambling sites.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I think in this particular case, you just got to get it right most of the time over the years. There's 111 of them.
That's a lot. I don't know how many people are getting it right.

Speaker 1 But we do know, and the governor knows, first time ever, all 111 were wrong.

Speaker 1 Okay, not even one in 111 got it right that West Virginia wasn't going to be in. So Governor Morrissey says,

Speaker 1 they know it better than I do. I mean, I'm about to learn it better than anybody, but I got questions is what Governor Morrissey said.
Maybe there'll be some transparency.

Speaker 1 Maybe there'll be some transparency going forward. Speaking of transparency, Pete Thammel is reporting that Coach DeVries is not a candidate for the Iowa job.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Listen, I love Pete Thammel, but he's been wrong several times.

Speaker 2 Until it comes out that he is not going to, yeah, call him. Call Pete right now, and I'll let him know.
Hey, listen, Pete.

Speaker 1 Fucking back off. All right.
I'm telling Pete. He went over there and he said, this ain't it.
That's what he said.

Speaker 3 Well, maybe he did, maybe Maybe he didn't. But you know what?

Speaker 2 Pete Thammell is not the arbiter on everything.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's the authority.

Speaker 1 He's currently. He is.

Speaker 3 He is.

Speaker 2 But guess what? Pete's been wrong before, and he might be wrong again.

Speaker 1 Okay, obviously he's taking a lot of hacks in the batter's box. Every once in a while, you're going to miss the ball.

Speaker 1 We are calling currently the authority.

Speaker 1 We are joined, ladies and gentlemen, by the authority in college football and back in college basketball full-time, Pete Thamill. Yeah, Pete.
Pete? No, he's not.

Speaker 1 to see Prison Pete out here yes it is great to see

Speaker 1 cool Pete took what do you guys call it in Canada a toque what is that a toque is what you call it that's a toque yeah beanie a toque tossle you name it you look awesome Pete you just obviously sent some shockwaves through this particular Thunderdome because David is obviously West Virginia's head coach one year got jobbed out of the tournament.

Speaker 1 Everybody knows 111 bracketologists probably Pete being one of them did not see this coming. he was being tied to the Iowa job.

Speaker 1 This morning, I woke up to a bunch of people saying he's being tied to the Indiana job. I heard nobody saying he was still tied to West Virginia, which obviously had me a bit upset.

Speaker 1 What is the current situation with Coach DeVries and why is he not a candidate for the Iowa job? I thought that was like dream job for him, and they need a coach for the first time in 15 years, Pete.

Speaker 15 Yeah, so good, all good questions, Pat.

Speaker 15 I feel like we're going to, you know, this is a little bit of a domino effect, right? I do feel like we're going to get some clarity on where Indiana is headed here in the next couple of days

Speaker 8 and perhaps sooner.

Speaker 15 There's been, you know, I reported Saturday on college basketball game day that, you know, the Iowa search was focused on

Speaker 15 three different candidates, Ben McCollum, Darren DeVries, and Clemson's Brad Burnell. Ben McCollum's obviously the Drake coach.

Speaker 15 So two of those coaches are in the NCA tournament and one of them isn't, obviously. You can ask the governor of the state where you're on the motor lies

Speaker 15 what happened with them. So I do feel like Indiana's cards are going to be shown pretty quickly here, Pat,

Speaker 15 on where they go. And then that will ripple into Iowa's options.

Speaker 1 Why is DeVries not... Okay, thank you for all that information.
Why is DeVries not a candidate for the Iowa job? They just didn't like the cut of his jib?

Speaker 1 Because now I'm a little bit offended that you guys don't want our coach.

Speaker 1 Now I'm like, did you see what he did?

Speaker 15 I don't think that's, I think Iowa has been interested in Darren DeVries.

Speaker 15 I don't think it's from, I don't think it's from Iowa's side.

Speaker 15 There's a large bio involved, which could be a factor here.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I was in an

Speaker 15 interesting situation right now. I would expect if Darren DeVries does go to Indiana, which is at least a possibility at this point, that

Speaker 15 Ben McCollum would be right at the forefront of that Iowa Sergei's obviously right there. Drake, he's won four national titles.

Speaker 15 He's an excellent coach.

Speaker 15 So, yeah,

Speaker 15 these things are always very fluid, Pat. And it's a very interesting situation right now between your home state and Ty as alma mater.

Speaker 1 So let's say DeVries leaves West Virginia, don't love it. What is the percentage of that? And also,

Speaker 1 who would West Virginia hire then? So now we're all of a sudden, what, behind on the coaching hiring cycle, and we're jobbed by the NCAA.

Speaker 1 Where's West Virginia basketball standing in all this?

Speaker 15 So I think West Virginia basketball is going to be fine. They just ran a coaching search last year.
Those pools are there.

Speaker 15 Ren Baker, the athletic jerker, has a background in basketball, which is pretty rare in modern college athletics. Most of these guys come through business or football.

Speaker 15 He came up and was a basketball manager and was actually a basketball coach. So he ran a full search last year.
You know, I think they'd be able to go and go

Speaker 15 and go pretty fast, quite frankly, because they've likely spoken to, you know, within the last 11 months, everybody who'd be at the forefront of their list.

Speaker 15 So I wouldn't think it would take much time to

Speaker 15 flip that. And look,

Speaker 15 there's a, you know, everybody's going to want the Alabama job, the cowboy job. Like Indiana's one of those jobs.
So I don't think it's an indictment on West Virginia.

Speaker 15 They've certainly been aggressive in trying to keep him, Pat.

Speaker 15 I just think that

Speaker 15 sometimes

Speaker 15 when you get called up, you got to go.

Speaker 1 So we'll see if if you know we'll we'll see in the next uh in the near future uh where indiana turns all right we appreciate you ladies and gentlemen the authority pete dammell have a great march back

Speaker 1 called up get called up to iowa you got to go yeah all right he was talking about what he said right oh i thought he meant both of them no no he said indiana they're both in the same

Speaker 1 indiana is like alabama cowboys is what he said so

Speaker 1 i mean i mean i do understand because these people in this state like, if I didn't live in Indiana and I didn't marry into a Hoosier family, Indiana Hoosiers fan family, I don't think I would fully understand.

Speaker 1 These fuckers love the Indiana Hoosier basketball team. It's a big deal.
Which is why

Speaker 1 it has been such a heartbreaker for so long, which is why it gets so loud because they haven't been good. These people, the parent, the fodders.

Speaker 1 And the fodders, fodders, and the mothers and the mutters, mutters,

Speaker 1 they came up with Bob Knight. Like, they have a basketball hall of fame here.
Bob Knight was obviously here.

Speaker 1 The Hoosier Stripes, I mean, and you're talking about basketball. You know, the high school basketball here, thousands and thousands in gyms around here.

Speaker 1 The high school state tournament, very, very big deal. Like, they love hoops here.
Before Peyton Manning got here, this was a hoops and racing town in a hoops and racing state. Fully, fully.

Speaker 1 We like racing. We like the Indy 500, obviously.
We got hundreds of thousands of people coming here. All of the teams are basically hubbed here.

Speaker 1 This is the home for an entire race league, pretty much. We love it here.
Take care of them here.

Speaker 1 And then also, hoops. We love hoops here.
We got the Hall of Fame here. We got the Hoosiers here.
The Pacers, you know, when Reggie was going on, everything.

Speaker 1 It's like a hoop state, which is why Signetti being able to win is

Speaker 1 pretty mind-boggling, to be honest. So cool.
That has never been even a thought that the Indiana football team was going to be good. And nobody cared.
Like nobody, it was like, ah, football team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Yeah, you're right. A couple hundred people.
Yeah, they didn't. It was like, is our basketball team good or not? Like that was the, and that's.

Speaker 9 When did Bob Knight leave Indiana? For real. That's like, he set the stage for, he set the foundation, I feel.
Like, obviously, the movie Hoosiers back in the day. I don't know.

Speaker 9 Have young kids seen Hoosiers though? Do they even know about it? They know about it.

Speaker 1 Yes. And every kid in Indiana has a.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Every single one of them.
It doesn't matter what they're built like, what they look like, how many sports they play, have an ability to shoot a ball.

Speaker 1 You'll just learn that you go to an LA fitness or something. You'll see some bum-looking kid, and then he gets the ball in a corner, and that thing's going to go in somehow.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, it's Indiana. Everybody here can shoot.
Joining us now is a man who knows more about hoops than we do. And we'll ask him about everything that the authority Pete Dambler just said.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, front of the program now at this point. You know, I think we can say that.
From ESPN's College Basketball Analysis, former coach in the ACC, long time.

Speaker 1 Coach Seth Greenberg. Yeah, coach.

Speaker 11 What's up, boys? Good time of the year now.

Speaker 1 It is active time of the year. I saw you on TV last night on a college game night.
You guys were pulling different categories and spinning a wheel and giving takes with Zooming.

Speaker 1 I saw you on Get Up this Morning, which leads me to this. For those that didn't see this man on Get Up this Morning, this was Seth.

Speaker 16 So it's a fascinating thought from Patino, and here's my uncle Seth, Seth Greenberg, no relation, with thoughts on that. You know, Seth, we live in a world where

Speaker 16 football drove conferences to do all sorts of things that made a lot of sense for financial reasons and positively no sense for any other reasons.

Speaker 16 Basketball, on some level, I guess we could say, was something of a casualty of that.

Speaker 1 What do you make of the idea?

Speaker 16 He said the words in basketball. What do you make of the idea of something like the ACC and Big East forming a conference together in basketball?

Speaker 11 I think it makes sense.

Speaker 11 Two years ago, I had a conversation with the people in the ACC office and exactly said that to them. They got to get back to the roots.
The ACC was built in college basketball.

Speaker 11 I understand the money is in the football side of it. But you know what? You could create a super conference, the best conference in all of college basketball.

Speaker 11 You got to give these schools the resources. But you know what? Merging the ACC and the Big East, think about the matchups you would have.
They wouldn't be games, they'd be events.

Speaker 11 You'd get back to the old school rivalries of the old Big East, but then you'd bring in some new rivalries like a Connecticut against North Carolina, Connecticut against duke uh to me it makes sense you've got to find a way to make it happen and like i chip kelly said this a couple uh months ago he said what what college athletics needs to do and this made a lot of sense regionalize everything else but football if you regionalize everything else but football to me that's a win for everyone okay seth you're the first person we're hearing it from the basketball world obviously we heard it from chip in the football world how likely is that to happen because the biggies still existing whenever the biggie's football kind of got rid of kind of leads me to think there is precedent for basketball being able to make their own decisions.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's ever possible with the ACC Biggies for basketball? Because the more you talk about it and when Petino mentioned it yesterday to us, that was the first time I had heard of it.

Speaker 1 And then my brain did the same thing you did. We got UNC and UConn happening at Madison Square Garden.
We got Duke taking on St. John's and like the matchups are, you know, very drinking.

Speaker 1 What is the likelihood of that happening? How slow does basketball move versus kind of football, Seth?

Speaker 11 Basketball could move real quickly. The problem is the football element.
The football is the one that moves slowly because all these TV contracts are tied into football.

Speaker 11 So, Pat, you've got a good voice. You can make this happen sooner than later.

Speaker 11 I mean, if you can get behind this, I mean, you could be like the guy behind changing the world of college athletics just by saying, wait a second, regionalize hoops and all the non-revenue sports.

Speaker 11 Obviously, hoops, not the non-revenue. And then let's take football, put it on its own island.
Because you could play one football game a week and travel across country.

Speaker 1 You can't like,

Speaker 11 look, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but like Stanford and Cal and the ACC.

Speaker 11 I didn't take geography at Fairleigh Dickinson, Harvard on the Hackensack, but they're not in the ACC. I'm sorry.
And you've got UCLA and USC going and playing Big Ten games. Come on, man.

Speaker 11 I mean, it just doesn't make sense. So, like, we've got to use common sense.
And then for the ACC, first of all, I don't know how they didn't bring UConn in when they did expansion.

Speaker 11 Stanford, Cal, UConn. Like, which one would you guys pick? Okay.
I mean, I mean, I mean, that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 But to me,

Speaker 11 the ACC has got to get back to some way of roots. They got four teams in the NCAA tournament this year.
That's like sacrilegious. You think about ACC basketball.

Speaker 11 You think about the best teams and great rivalries and great programs.

Speaker 11 Why not find a way to adopt, partner with, or whatever you might want to call it, the Big East, create this mega basketball conference. have all this inventory, share your revenue share.

Speaker 11 Obviously, football money is going to be taken out of it it and create something different and special and think outside the box.

Speaker 1 Okay, so my question for you would be this. We talked to Patino later in that conversation.
He talked about how St. John's doesn't have a football team.

Speaker 1 So the revenue share thing is going to be a lot to basketball and it's going to be a lot to these other sports.

Speaker 1 Do you think the ACC will ever be able to keep up with, like the Big Ten has a lot of money. Okay.
They have a lot of money and they're putting it into football.

Speaker 1 I assume they're putting it into basketball and will only continue to do so. The SEC is putting a lot of investment investment into its basketball.

Speaker 1 We talked to Greg Senke yesterday and he's like, there was a mission statement sent out that we need to be better at men's basketball and they all kind of took adhere to it and now they're record-breaking with the amount of teams they get in the tournament.

Speaker 1 Will the ACC ever be able to keep up with everybody else?

Speaker 1 Now, I'm not saying Big East is underhanded or anything like that, but UConn, all the money is probably going to be going to basketball as well. St.
John's, same exact thing.

Speaker 1 The ACC, they still got to compete against their football teams, right? Whenever it comes to the revenue share.

Speaker 1 Do they have enough NIL and money to be able to keep up with everybody else for the state of basketball, do you think?

Speaker 11 I think they have the money. Are they willing to spend the money? Are they willing to make the investment? Like, you know, Pat's like anything else.
Your investment equals your expectation.

Speaker 11 If you want to be good at something,

Speaker 11 whether it's in a work or whether it's in athletics, you got to invest in it, man. Like, you want to keep on changing coaches, great.

Speaker 11 You're going to hire another coach, don't give him the resources he needs, and you're going to have the same result. Like, stupid people do the same things over and over and over again.

Speaker 11 Smart people, you know what they do? They look at things through a different prism and say, you know what? If we want to be good, we've got to make a change.

Speaker 11 And how we're going to do it, we got to invest, invest in infrastructure, invest in coaches, and invest in NIL. Because without that, I don't care how good that coach is.

Speaker 11 Without that, you don't have the resources. You're not winning.
Rick Petino, he's got Rapoli. He's got the water vitamin man running around hanging out, you know, dropping $100 bills.
Come on.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, you know,

Speaker 11 I'd be a better recruiter. I'd be a much better coach if I had a dude like that hanging on with me.
Like, hey, let's go. That dude's pretty good.
Can we get him?

Speaker 1 All right, let's go. Let's get it done.
Yeah, that's good recruiting. I think it's a good tool, but it's needed now.
You know, like it is a necessity.

Speaker 1 And I do wonder with some schools that are like historic, if their boosters and their money people are going to understand that they need to pitch in. It's not just name anymore.
It is

Speaker 1 a lot that has to go into a lot of commitment.

Speaker 1 That ACC Big East thing would be so cool.

Speaker 1 That would be, for basketball reasons, that would be insane. Hopefully they're able to get it done sounds like you should maybe be a commissioner this entire thing aj has a question for you coach

Speaker 9 coach when you look at this the bracket obviously we're we're entering a great time a great time for you obviously it's fun to listen to you on tv and when you would look at this what what games in this first round are you you pointing out that you want to watch that you think some fireworks might have not maybe a big upset but maybe some exciting games that people may not be thinking about

Speaker 11 You're the one person who enjoys listening to me, so I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I do as well.

Speaker 1 We all do. Yeah, we all.

Speaker 1 There's five of them.

Speaker 11 I think I appreciate that. You and my and my kids.

Speaker 1 UConn Oklahoma is a

Speaker 11 fascinating game. You know, obviously UConn, two-time defending champions.
Obviously, you have Danny. The one thing they struggle defending is the perimeter.
And Jeremiah Fears is a bad dude.

Speaker 11 He reminds me of Kyrie Irving. I mean, he can break people's ankles and get in the lane.

Speaker 11 They play three guards, which is going to, even though they're undersized, will put a lot of pressure on the defense. Perimeter defense of UConn.

Speaker 11 I think that game is a really interesting game to watch just in terms of, you know, Danny's going to be able to score. It's whether they can stop him.

Speaker 11 And then like even right below that, Colorado State, Memphis, you know, a lot of money's on Memphis, actually. I guess Memphis is being favored.
Neek Clifford is a bad dude as well. He's 6'6.

Speaker 11 They play him all over the floor. Colorado State is really, really efficient offensively.
They assist on about 60% of their field goals.

Speaker 11 More importantly, it's just facing and how they share the ball and play through this guy. Memphis Penny has done a really good job with this team.

Speaker 11 Tyrese Hunter, one of his players, a lot of injuries in the NCAA tournament this year. He did not play in the conference tournament championship game.

Speaker 11 They need his leadership, but there's a dude on Memphis, P.J. Haggerty.

Speaker 11 He is a stud.

Speaker 11 About 22 points a game,

Speaker 11 about eight rebounds, five assists, goes to the line about five times a game. Like that dude is really different.
He'll be a fun guy to watch. There are so many good matches.
How about the conspiracy?

Speaker 11 Do you guys

Speaker 11 buy into conspiracies?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Baba Cunningham screwed over West Virginia.
Yeah, Seth. We're in on it.
Yeah, you think about Burton. You're all in on it.
Like, by the way, you know what a WAB is?

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 11 I'll tell you, the WA.

Speaker 11 West Virginia got beat by the Wob, not getting in the tournament. That's wins above the bubble.
You see, look, quickly on West Virginia,

Speaker 11 you can spin that stuff any which way you want to.

Speaker 11 You can say the net's most important. You could say wins against the field are most important.
You can say quad one wins are most important.

Speaker 11 We need one way to evaluate teams for the NCAA tournament because every single person in the room has their own opinion. And look, I know Bubba, I think he's a really good guy, but

Speaker 11 walking out of the room and saying he's not in a room when they're discussing Carolina, that's great. Breakfast plus or dinner, drinks after.

Speaker 11 I mean, and it's not like something that they would say, hey, you got to vote for us. It would be more like, here's our leader.
He's our fearless leader. He's the head of the committee.

Speaker 11 How can we leave his squad out? And you know what they did was the team you guys should really be complaining about is Xavier. Well, well i think xavier's one and nine in quad one yeah i mean so yeah

Speaker 1 i mean

Speaker 1 it is

Speaker 11 it is what it is i mean you guys won two games without the freeze when you win at kansas and you beat iow state yeah you're good iow state was number three in the country i believe at the time no good

Speaker 1 i don't want to get you wound up pat i got we've already done enough the governor the governor's handling it says

Speaker 1 the governor's governor's handling it all just wants a little bit more transparency but it does feel like we have a lot of of good matchups.

Speaker 1 It does feel like there's a lot of good storylines, which leads to A.P. Tone's question for you, Coach.

Speaker 6 Yeah, coach, I wanted to ask it because I saw this floating around the internet that this is one of the best tournaments ever, if not the best tournament ever. And they were using Ken Palm's rankings.

Speaker 6 And if people don't know, Ken Palm is a website that basically calculates offense and defensive efficiency and things like that.

Speaker 6 And it has four of the top six teams all time in his rankings with Duke. Florida, Houston, and Auburn.
So is this

Speaker 6 accurate that this could be or is one of the best tournament tournament fields of all time?

Speaker 11 Yeah, it could be because it's older. Think about the ages of these guys.
I mean, a lot of these teams, you know,

Speaker 11 Mike Bray used to have to say, get old and stay old. Like, you've got like Chad Baker Mazzara would be like the oldest guy on the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 11 I mean, like, I mean, you look at Auburn's team. This fifth and sixth year, seniors on all these teams.
So these teams are older. They're more mature.
They're more physical.

Speaker 11 And like the SEC, that final four at the SEC championship in Nashville, that will be as good, if not better, than the Final Four we're going to get in San Antonio.

Speaker 1 That's how good it was. So, like, the teams you mentioned.
I don't love that.

Speaker 1 SEC SPN, Seth Rainberg, James Lowell. No, no, no.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 11 Now, here's the deal, Pat. Everyone thinks I'm a homer for like John Calaparry, which is my conspiracy thing.
Calipari self to play Rick Petino. Imagine if it's Calaparry and Petino.

Speaker 11 That's the all-time conspiracy game humanly possible.

Speaker 11 Yo, some people say I hate Duke. Some people say I hate Carolina.
So I'm in pretty good shape because I hate both Duke and Carolina, and they hate each other. So that puts me in a good place.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. It seems like they both hate you.
Maybe that'll be something that could round

Speaker 1 them together.

Speaker 11 The enemy of your enemy is your friend. I like that.
I went up to speak.

Speaker 1 I didn't create that. No, no, do not give me credit.

Speaker 1 That has been around a long time. I believe in political warfare.
It is something that is chit-chatted a lot. And I see it about me a lot.
You know, people come together around hating me.

Speaker 1 So that is a cool thing in my mentions. But Duke and North Carolina completely opposite ends of the spectrum here, right? This Duke team is supposed to be the one.

Speaker 1 They're saying this is, even the books are saying very good odds here.

Speaker 1 This Duke team, everybody seemingly believes, you know, like they are primed to just, I don't want to say UConn this thing like UConn did, but seemingly being talked that way.

Speaker 11 I'm going to give you a little secret. There's another team that's going to UConn this tournament, and that's Florida.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've been on Florida.

Speaker 11 Oh, I'm on Florida. Now, like, Duke is, look, I love Duke.
Cooper Flag's got to be healthy. Malik Brown's got to be able to play.
They need that experience in the front court.

Speaker 11 If he's out and he's got that shoulder injury, you're talking about an experienced player that can defend four and five, terrific passer, always in the right place, made a couple of threes against Carolina.

Speaker 11 I mean, but Florida, you know, I joke around. They're Noah's Ark.
They got to everything.

Speaker 11 I mean, like,

Speaker 11 they got two 6-11 big guys. Chinalu just blocks every shot, carves out space, rebounds the ball, finishes, blocks shots, does everything you need.
They bring Han Lockman off the bench.

Speaker 11 Walter Clayton is the best guard in the tournament. And now we want to go deeper into the conspiracy.
If Florida gets to the elite eight and St.

Speaker 11 John's gets to the Elite Eight, that's Rick Bettino against Florida. Oh, by the way, Walter Clayton played for Rick Betino at Iona.
You see, everything goes back to the conspiracy.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And $1,100, I believe, is what was offered by Iona.
Yeah, $1,100. Yeah, it's a country.

Speaker 11 And a cup of coffee. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And a couple of t-shirts. And a chance to be coached by Rick Bettino, who, after talking to him yesterday, would like to talk to him more.
A answer. Ayn Song.
Cerebral cerebral dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of paisons in this college basketball. A lot of Jewish coaches of America, too.

Speaker 11 By the way, the Jewish coaches are taking on.

Speaker 1 I'm glad you brought that up, Pat.

Speaker 11 We only have the Jewish guys only have three to four coaches on the number one line. That's all.
It's no big thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I heard.

Speaker 11 I might make a comeback.

Speaker 1 Not a bad idea, especially if you got a little poly in your corner like you talked about. I saw that account.
Jewish Coaches of America.

Speaker 1 Is that the...

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. JCA.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 11 We can make you an honorary member now. I mean, if you'd like.

Speaker 1 Oh, Mazel, Shalom.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know,

Speaker 1 we can have a... I'm not a coach.
I'm not a good enough coach. You know, I don't have the patience in there, but I did appreciate the fact, you know, I was like, we got to stick together.

Speaker 1 And then I wonder if the Italians were like, yeah, we'll meet, but we ain't fucking show anybody.

Speaker 1 That's a little bit of the difference here. I do respect and appreciate all of that.
Conman has a question for you, Coach.

Speaker 3 Yeah, coach, what do you think is the most important aspect when it comes to one singular part of the game to make a run in March?

Speaker 3 You know, Rick Petino mentioned yesterday, you know, you need some luck, or maybe that was Izzo.

Speaker 3 But either way, they mentioned, you know, luck, you need some of that during March, especially, you know, the ball bouncing one way or the other. But is it shooting? Is it defense?

Speaker 3 Is it kind of, you know, getting a specific possession correctly? What do you think is the most important thing when it comes to making a run to the Final Four?

Speaker 11 Besides having dudes, you need a guy at the end of the game you can give the ball to who can go make a play.

Speaker 11 Because there's a more level playing. So all the teams in the tournament expect to win.
And all the teams in the tournament have won a ton of games when you get past the first round.

Speaker 11 And I think you need a guy at the end of the shot clock or at the end of the game to give the ball to to go make a play.

Speaker 11 Now, the thing that complements that is do you have a style of play that's difficult to prepare for the second day of the tournament?

Speaker 11 Whether it's the second day of the first round, the second day going to the final four or the second day in the championship game.

Speaker 11 Styles make fights. And if you have a style of play that's hard to prepare for in a short period of time, that's an advantage.
It's a huge advantage.

Speaker 11 So I would say style of play imposing your identity on the game, no different in football. And then the other thing is a dude.

Speaker 11 Like, like, do you have a guy at the end of the shot clock you can give that ball to? And like, play breaks down and he goes and makes a play. It's like, yo, do you have a Patrick Mahomes?

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 1 Eater Christian.

Speaker 1 Yeah. These are all the stories we were just talking about from previous March Madnesses.
That Doug Eater kid came out of nowhere. He was a guy.
Henderson was a guy out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 Burns, like, I was a kid in all of Oakland last year. Golke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we talked about him as well. Yeah, it's like those are the dudes that you're talking about.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you got to have a closer.

Speaker 1 And that's how we find out and learn about these schools and these players. And then we never talk about them ever again.
Yeah. It's kind of a wonderful time.
It's so much fun. It is a wonderful time.

Speaker 1 Things that will be talked about is if somebody big goes down early. What a bummer.
Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, coach, when you look at all of the national title contenders going into this, which one of them do you think got the worst draw and is most susceptible to upset within like the first couple days of the tournament

Speaker 11 the overall number one seed got screwed

Speaker 11 i mean i mean it's the way you can't you can't explain it anyway i mean auburn now look they lost three to last four but to the overall number one seed i mean they're gonna have to play michigan to get to it to advance now michigan just won the big 10 tournament michigan's got two 6'11 seven foot guys and golden and danny wolf all right danny wolf's like he he he's a lottery pick he's a homeless larry bird in in a lot of ways.

Speaker 11 I mean, you can run your offense through him.

Speaker 11 The guy is really, really different. They put those two guys in a ball screen together, and it becomes an absolute problem in terms of how you're going to guard it.

Speaker 11 They got a kid named Trey Donaldson, a point guard who made that big shot against Maryland at the end of the game.

Speaker 11 Another conspiracy, by the way, because they could potentially play Auburn and Michigan could play. Now, the Michigan point guard was the Auburn point guard last year.
Conspiracies everywhere.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait a minute. Whoa, what's going on behind the scenes here?

Speaker 11 I mean, behind the scenes here. But I like this Michigan team.
They've got enough guys who can make shots. They play really fast.
Golden gets baskets around the basket.

Speaker 11 The kid Wolf, he really is a matchup problem. The only concern for Michigan,

Speaker 11 they get a little loose with the ball, but I think they've got the toughest second-round game in the tournament.

Speaker 11 Even after if they win their first game, they get a Creighton team. Like Creighton is good.
The big kid Kalkbrenner, he's like a one-man zone.

Speaker 11 They play fast, a really good passing team, sneaky defensive team because of stylistically. So I think Auburn got the toughest one.

Speaker 11 And I'd say the other toughest one, second would be used to just because Tennessee, they're so hard to play against. Tennessee, they're so physical and tough.
They gave it to it.

Speaker 1 That SEC championship game was fun to watch. Did see your Florida team do what Florida does, though.
But I think everybody came away from that game and they're like, Tennessee, real deal.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about all these teams that played in the conference finals and then they have to turn around and play their earliest?

Speaker 1 Because I heard there were some coaches and some people that are like, yeah, definitely bummed we didn't win the conference tournament, but also we got an extra five, six days before the big game, you know, in the tournament.

Speaker 1 Is that a con is that a common conversation amongst coaches about the conference tournament?

Speaker 11 It is. Like, guys want to win championships.
You want to win championships.

Speaker 11 You know, hey, players want to win championships because probably with NIL, they got bonuses bought into winning championships or advancing even in their conference.

Speaker 11 Things are written. Having said that, yeah, I mean, like, especially the guys who play on on Sunday, like those five championships that were decided Sunday,

Speaker 11 if you have a quick turnaround, you go Sunday, Thursday.

Speaker 11 I mean, you think about football guys are used to routine, you know, you know, what day, you know, what day you're in pads, what day you're out of pads. Well, so is basketball.

Speaker 11 So you get back on Sunday after your championship game, you find out who you're playing, you have a team meeting, your coaches scatter because you're in a four-team bracket, basically.

Speaker 11 You're not worrying about a 68-team field. You're worried about the four teams in your bracket.
All right. Your assistant coaches are scurrying around, putting together scattering reports.

Speaker 11 Your video guy is losing his brain, all right, and you're locked in. But then Monday is film, concept work.
Tuesday, you're on a plane, probably.

Speaker 11 If you're playing Thursday, going to your site, so Tuesday, you practice at home.

Speaker 11 Tuesday afternoon, you're probably flying to the site. You get there, you have dinner, you do film again.
Wednesday, you got that practice on your site, and Thursday, you're hooping.

Speaker 11 So, like in recovery time,

Speaker 11 it's real, especially if you're going sent to the to to the West Coast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, long flight time.

Speaker 11 If you get sent to the West Coast,

Speaker 11 it changes a lot. Like, I mean, you know, there are a lot of interesting teams going to the West Coast.
I mean, in the West, Yukon's got to go cross-country. They lost early.

Speaker 11 You know, Florida played on Sunday. I'm not sure exactly what day they're playing their first game.
So, you know, those things come into play. But

Speaker 11 I do think that. We're so much more aware of

Speaker 11 taking care of players in terms of hydration, rest,

Speaker 11 load management. Not load management.
Load management in college is recovery days.

Speaker 11 Like Jay Wright started the recovery day, or at least talking about it, which means basically recovery days is walkthrough, skill work, shooting,

Speaker 11 weights, an ice bath.

Speaker 11 And he started that. He was really big into that.
And he was one of the first guys. My daughter played volleyball at Bill and Ove.
So I, and Jay's a dear, dear friend.

Speaker 11 So I go watch him practice all the time. And

Speaker 11 he is amazing on nutrition. Like those guys in their meals,

Speaker 15 like

Speaker 11 breakfast, lunch, and dinner, like he, they don't put any crap in their bodies.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it'd be nice to be jacked and rocked up. You know,

Speaker 1 super jacked.

Speaker 11 It would be nice too. Unfortunately, this body's beyond repair.

Speaker 1 No, no, I think he got a chance. I think, especially, hey, the head looks very round.

Speaker 11 It's like a dome and dome and the dome is in good shape. Yeah, it is.
Put a little dust on the dome and send me out. Let me talk about ball.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
And we appreciate the fact that you were teaching us a lot about this year's particular ball. Now, with that being said, AJ has the last question for you.
Coach.

Speaker 9 Yeah, coach, we hear about a team like BYU that relies on the three so much.

Speaker 9 Do teams like this, like other than BYU, but teams around the, you know, this tournament that rely on the three ball so much, do they worry you possibly if they go cold for a game or two, that they get knocked out?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, 100%. But at the BYU, it's not just their shooting threes, it's how they get them.
They get them with their spacing. They get them with step-up ball screens.

Speaker 11 They get them with shallow cuts and slot drives and kick outs. And they put you in rotation.

Speaker 11 So it's how they get them, but that's who they are like here's the thing we're like who are you and how do you win i don't care what sport you play like who are you and how if you could impose that identity and all of a sudden now like if you're a really great transition team what does that do to your defense all right you're not good you're not sending as many guys to the offensive glass because if you send a bunch of guys to the offensive glass then you can't set your defense people in transition and they're getting shots you want so like Teams like that, people don't, there's a residual effect of that playing style that is interesting.

Speaker 11 Like shooting all those threes, what does that create? Long rebounds. All right.
So now we're used to like hitting and going rebounding the ball.

Speaker 11 Now you're hitting and that thing might be flying over the top of your head.

Speaker 11 So imposing identity on the game. So you know, like Brian Odin plays there, but he's my former assistant.
He's the coach of VCU.

Speaker 11 Like we spent a bunch of time yesterday talking about how they're going to defend the ball screens, how much pressure they can put on, and then making sure they cover what I we used to call the elbows and the blocks.

Speaker 11 The guards have to come back and rebound.

Speaker 11 Instead of leaking out, those guards, you contest the shot, you got to come back and get ready to help rebound the ball because most of those rebounds are going to come either off the corners or back.

Speaker 11 So, you know, if you can impose your identity on a game, even though you're not making a ton, you got to make some. Like Cal Perry had a great line.

Speaker 11 You don't have to make them all, but you can't miss them all.

Speaker 11 I mean, like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but some of those three-point shooting teams, they go ice cold. And I'm only saying that from like watching West Virginia for a while.

Speaker 1 West Virginia for a while there was a three-point shooting team. And boy, when they were falling, you knew early.
You knew like in the first five five minutes what the night was going to be like.

Speaker 1 Electrifying. And then whenever it was a miss, it was like, well, this one's going to be a grind.
And then inevitably, that was their fate.

Speaker 1 Always, they would get cold. Now they'd make it a long way, but they would get cold on the wrong night.
And then the other team would be able to just kind of make the most of it.

Speaker 1 West Virginia is in the topic of discussion right now, Coach. DeVries, can you tell me about him? And is Indiana one of those jobs? We live here in Indiana.

Speaker 1 We understand how the people feel about Hoosiers and the basketball and basketball as a whole. Is that one of those jobs where DeVries, like coaches dream of it?

Speaker 11 If he can get it, he's got to take it.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's how you feel.

Speaker 11 If he gets it, he's got to get the Iowa thing. I'm not so sure because it's almost a rebuild, but Indiana, you've got a built-in base of recruiting opportunity.
I'm sure the money would be great.

Speaker 11 But let me tell you this, along with that, and you guys know because you guys are right there, the static around the program is ridiculous.

Speaker 11 And like, you don't answer to just alumni. You answer to the whole state.

Speaker 11 So you got to, you're giving yourself over to the state i mean that's basically what you're doing and there's you know because people in indiana they all think that they invented the game and they understand basketball everyone is coaching your team along with you and like does he want to deal with that uh but the opportunity to get better uh quicker with the look they had big time nil

Speaker 11 but they just swung and missed you know you got like when you go to the end you better get winning dudes like you got to get winning but

Speaker 11 this whole thing about collecting talent you got to roster construction and putting together a team yeah is as important as the number of like great players because the players don't fit it is what it is but yeah

Speaker 1 coach coach coach they want to see this right here that's what they want to see that's what they want to see that is what that is what they want that is legitimately what they want and need to be able to make big shots but we're moving the ball we are and we are yeah and next time

Speaker 1 we are right back into this thing and it's like that is how the indiana folks like you're you're talking about, everybody in Indiana thinks they use, they think they invented basketball, they know basketball.

Speaker 1 That's because they pay attention. And it's like, this is how we play basketball here.
And you talked about collecting talent and building a roster.

Speaker 1 That is not just in basketball, that's in football as well. How important is a culture, man? It feels like we really get to see culture here during this March of Madness as well, right?

Speaker 1 Because adversity's coming. And then how can he continue to go? How important is that culture in basketball?

Speaker 1 Because I, outside looking in, have never been in a basketball locker room or a basketball team setting.

Speaker 1 it seems like to me it's like we just got to keep the two guys happy and then everything else is good no no no no no no no i'll tell you i but you've been in a lot all you guys have been in locker rooms of course let me ask you a question you're only as good as your locker yes or no yes

Speaker 11 you got a crappy locker room you got no shot agreed right so like you're only as good as your locker room so culture and that's why florida what they've done is they've gone into portal and got multi-year portal guys so it's not a six six month rental so now they they develop an identity they develop develop a culture, they have an investment.

Speaker 11 But yeah, I mean, like, you're only as good as your locker.

Speaker 11 You have a bad locker room, like that Tennessee team, they got a great locker room because it's a Kai Ziegler, May Shock, and they coached their locker room.

Speaker 11 If you don't have a dude coaching your locker room, it's like the meeting after the meeting. Let me ask you this, Pat.
You know, you give speeches, I'm sure, places, and then you do your thing.

Speaker 11 Absolutely. And then, you know, everyone gets up, claps, wonderful.

Speaker 11 They go to the bathroom and they either say like that, Pat Maxby, he's full of crap, or they say, like, damn, holy macro, that was awesome. You know, that.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 11 here's the deal. That's no different than you speak to your team at the end of practice and you say like X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 11 And those dudes go back in the locker room and they say, or maybe you gave them a real hard practice. And you were like up their ass really, really hard and challenging them and pushing them.

Speaker 11 And like, you know, when you get the wrong guy walking back in the locker room, coach, man, he's full of it, man. What's he talking about? We're practicing too hard.

Speaker 11 I mean, what does he expect from us?

Speaker 11 And then exactly. It blows up.
So like, you got to have locker room, man. I mean, like, it's not just one.
You've got to have a voice in the locker room that one of those guys goes sideways.

Speaker 11 He snatches that guy. Like one of your guys, Sam Clancy, played for me at Pitt.
Of course. Absolutely love Sam Clancy.
First year at Pitt. We have a good team, a little disjointed.

Speaker 11 And we lost a couple games and we had a couple of guys going sad.

Speaker 11 I literally said, Sam, like, that's you, man. Like, you're the biggest band.
Dude, that's you. True story.
Next day, I'm walking in the chain for practice. 100%.

Speaker 11 Sam's got, I'm not going to mention his name. He's got some dude up against the wall like he's on a hanger.
And he was saying, like, this is my last time, man. I want to play the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 11 Get your crap right. That's awesome.
And I'll tell you, we were pretty good after that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can imagine. Sam Clancy was a Yenser, it sounds like.
What a dog. I love that.
And what you're saying,

Speaker 1 what you're saying about talking to players and policing their locker room, we do a lot of that on this particular show, and it's pissed off some people in some locker rooms because there's some traits that maybe happen for some teams.

Speaker 1 It's like, hey, you can draft good players.

Speaker 1 You can coach good players, but the players gotta they gotta control what the expectations are and the standard is yep i love to hear that that that's also in basketball hey you're the man thank you for joining us today and we can't wait to talk to you guys appreciate you guys ladies you got it man enjoy the games we will we hey who's winning tonight who's winning tonight alabama state and uh

Speaker 11 i'll tell you here's the deal say as crazy it is i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give you two seconds carolina is gonna win this game they can be they'll miss because you know what here's the deal they they shouldn't have been in all right that's just my opinion one and 12 is not good enough but yet when the tournament starts they are good enough to win this game against san diego state who struggles scoring but it's great defensively and because ole miss doesn't have a legitimate big they're gonna have a shot at ole miss who i really like because they don't turn it over and chris beard is an absolutely great dude but to me they don't have a bad draw to win a couple of games he's a dog he's a great coach we appreciate the hell out of you ladies and gentlemen coach seth greenberg

Speaker 1 I think he was job. He was treated unfairly in that whole thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was no response to that whole thing.

Speaker 1 Did you hear him give a give a response to somebody that said some pundit or somebody said that his team was fraudulent? I did see that.

Speaker 1 And he, he, next person asked a question and he goes, that's a good question. Let me get back to this real quick.
And he

Speaker 1 rattles off. I'm like, that was fucking epic.
I got a chance to watch Chris Beard work, you know, down there in Texas. His boys ride for him, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is just his assistant coaches, his players, they ride for him. And

Speaker 1 he, he really much, like, that's his style, too. Like, hey, let's go do this.
He's got a lot of moxie. He goes, oh, Miss.
All of a sudden, now they're back in the conversation.

Speaker 1 It's like, that was kind of how it was going to go, I think, no matter where happened. And how it ended at Texas was very loud at one half, and then nothing ever

Speaker 1 on the other side. And then, you know.

Speaker 1 Kind of fucked up, but that's the world that we live in. And then now he's got the guys rolling in this time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I mean, mean, Texas, you would assume, still has some beard in it because they're in the tournament again, I believe, or they're in a playing game, one of the other two.

Speaker 1 Were they top five whenever he was there?

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're very good. Somebody needs to tell Seth what coincidence means or sorry.

Speaker 1 Conspiracy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but what coincidence means because I think a lot of his conspiracies are coincidences.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I thought he was saying conspiracy because he talks like he likes those teams and like ESPN is deciding things. So I think he, I thought he was talking about that.
Then he could sit,

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 continued to say it. Yeah.
Like a considerable amount of.

Speaker 6 This guy played for this team last year. That's a conspiracy.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, Seth. That's a coincidence.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but was he meaning like they took all the information over here?

Speaker 9 Yeah, or I thought he means like, hey, no, the...

Speaker 9 The TV people want these people.

Speaker 9 They know these are good matchups. So they're going to try to do whatever they can to get these matchups.
So it's bad.

Speaker 1 So he goes, conspiracy. This guy played here.

Speaker 1 That's who I took it at. Okay.
Hey, thank you for that. That makes more sense.

Speaker 2 Thank you for that.

Speaker 6 That's why the Calipari and petino.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because while we were here, while we were here and he was on the full screen, we were all going,

Speaker 1 what the f does he know?

Speaker 6 TV conspiracy.

Speaker 1 It is. TV

Speaker 1 conspiracy.

Speaker 1 Because he hears it just like the college basketball pundits and media people hear it just as much, I assume, as the college football people do.

Speaker 1 Like Kirk Herbstreet there was the one deciding who was playing where, remember? And he was getting murdered for the entire.

Speaker 1 I assume Seth gets a lot of heat because he's part of that college game day show. Okay.
Yeah, it is a lot of conspiracies now that I think about it.

Speaker 1 College basketball might have more of them than college football. Yeah.
Hey, Governor Morsey, go ahead and look into that too. Yeah, he will.
He already is. Oh, he's getting to the bottom of that.

Speaker 1 Part of it. You know, that is something that we need to take place.

Speaker 1 Okay, AJ, you need to give us an update because there's a new update. It's a new day on Aaron Rodgers.
He's basically waiting out. The Minnesota Vikings, tell them what they want to do.

Speaker 1 They're trying to figure out what they want to do. That's the newest report from Scoopage, Scoop City with with Diane Rossini and Chase Danum.
So obviously Diane Rossini, an insider with the athletic.

Speaker 1 So this is another day. This is another piece of information.
You know, a week ago, it was he's either going to the Giants or the Steelers and he's holding them hostage.

Speaker 1 Now it's like, well, the Vikings now in the game. But at one point it was the Vikings aren't in the game.
Now they're the game. So it feels like a lot of

Speaker 1 hailmares. Yeah,

Speaker 1 a lot of, whoo, maybe that's the case. But that also could be because a lot of people are getting a lot of different information and a lot of people could have the information.

Speaker 1 Now, speaking of having information, you're probably the only one that's got it. What's happening, and what should we look into at this point with Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 9 Well, I mean, so first off, I've not reached out. I figure he'll reach out if he wants to talk about this whole situation with me, but I go back to what I said yesterday.

Speaker 9 Like, what could he possibly be doing? Obviously, he's got multiple teams that want him to come in. There's spots open, but I just don't know with the whole Viking situation, if that's truly a thing.

Speaker 9 Wouldn't they say something if it was not a thing? They'd come out and say, JJ is our guy. That's all I could think.

Speaker 1 They could also say, We're not your puppet. We're not answering every single.

Speaker 9 I mean, there's just, yeah, we have, I don't think anybody wants to think they want to show faith in their guy that they could stand up and say, Hey, no, JJ is our guy. We're not going after him.

Speaker 1 I like AJ saying,

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's on the Vikings.

Speaker 1 That's what we like. Cam Hayward said, You either play for the Steelers or you don't, pup.
It's getting loud, but that's football, baby.

Speaker 1 Almost happened in

Speaker 1 the bathroom. AJ Hawk is here, obviously.
Shout out to the Ohio State legend. We'll be talking about Ohio State in a matter of moments.
One out of the hammer. Dye, Cowboys.
AP Tone is here.

Speaker 1 Good to see you, Tone. Good to see you.
I like the hat hoodie matching, you know? Yeah, I don't always.

Speaker 6 I kind of like to, you know, clash, but I've really just been rocking the tan lately, so nobody really knows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you look great. Nice trip to the woods this past weekend.
We'll have you buzzing and glowing, some would say.

Speaker 1 The Toxic Table's here at Ty Schmidt and at Boston Conner Ty a little bit of a buzzer beater there for our friend Boston Connor yeah anytime Connor has to squeeze out a poop in one of the breaks usually it's not a you know a quick quick shot hey let's get off this thing he dropped an absolute nuke in there and I was thinking he might be gone for 10 15 minutes he was sprinting as the countdown was happening he was sprinting across this basketball court and sat down literally at the exact time that the camera came on.

Speaker 1 That was wonderful timing by you, your bladder, and your butt. I think you should be pretty proud of yourself.

Speaker 3 sometimes things just line up for me you know and it seems as though during that break it did and you know i i was worried deep down maybe maybe i was going to come back to you guys talking up here and i was going to have to take that walk of shame but you know some things just work out yeah especially when you dress that good aj do you see this fit on this man this is the best outfit he's ever worn Yeah, can we see the pants?

Speaker 9 So is that a matching jumpsuit you're wearing?

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 3 This is a sweatshirt from a certain company. These shoes don't really fit, but they're free.
So I wear them.

Speaker 1 He wears a half-sized, too small shoe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Every day.
Okay, stay light on my feet.

Speaker 3 It's helped my ping-pong game, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, ping-pong is a good battle every day. You and Foxy have been certainly jousting over there.

Speaker 1 But he dressed good today, and I think that's why the gods, you know, kind of blessed you with a moment there to make it back in time. Was hoping very, very much though for a walk of shit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. I was ready for it as I was exiting the bathroom.
I was like, okay, let's just see, you know, where we're at because I didn't hear anybody talking out here.

Speaker 3 I figured we were somewhere close to the show, to the program.

Speaker 1 There's a nice little social gathering that happens during the breaks out. Oh, yeah, that's awesome.
Quick sprint to the bathroom. That a nice conversation about everything going on.

Speaker 1 Did he say a little bit of that? Hey, I just checked my phone. Did you know that he said, I almost missed that? You know, some people slip some stuff by us.

Speaker 1 Funda delay, talking about a lot of college basketball. Have no idea if it was good coverage of college basketball or bad coverage of college basketball, but I do know we covered college basketball.

Speaker 1 And I feel like we're doing what we're supposed to do in the sports world, in the sports media world at this exact time.

Speaker 1 Because to be clear, when I go home, obviously hanging out with baby girl, hanging out with the wife, when baby girl goes to bed and we're, you know, in front of a TV, I'm trying to find as much information as I can about this March Madness.

Speaker 1 That is all I'm trying to do. So literally at night, I'm thinking to myself,

Speaker 1 there needs to be more.

Speaker 1 This is going to take over our entire lives here. Without a doubt,

Speaker 1 every single year, it takes over everything. I mean, it's only thing that's on television, only thing that's being talked about, only headlines, and everybody's paying attention to it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I mean, this is just what it is. In some years, we go in and I feel like I'm unprepared.
You know, I feel like I have no clue what is happening. It's all.

Speaker 1 So this year, I thought that we should at least do a little bit of research. Shout out to everybody that has come by and made us smarter.
Bettino, Izzo, fucking Seth Greenberg.

Speaker 1 I mean, he has been phenomenal in this entire thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's incredible, especially when you look at his resume. You know, I feel like sometimes we have people on that maybe are younger in the entire thing.
Like he's been, he coached for 60 years.

Speaker 3 Like, if anybody knows anything about college basketball, it's him.

Speaker 1 And he was excited to come on the show. Very rare.
Uh-huh. Yeah.
Very rare. That's nice.

Speaker 1 Which is, you know, that's a cool thing.

Speaker 9 He loves ball. Seth Greenberg loves ball.
And that comes across when you talk to that guy. He absolutely loves it.

Speaker 1 And that's all we, you know.

Speaker 9 That's all that matters, right?

Speaker 1 All we need is you tell us what the shit we need to look at. That's right.
We respect your brain. We like how much you love ball.
There's some people that obviously think you're wrong. sometimes.

Speaker 1 You're on TV, but for us, what you're saying right now, gospel. Shout out to Florida won the SEC as soon as he told me it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 He literally was like, Florida, they're going to do this entire thing. The SEC, best conference by far, gave us that information a week beforehand.

Speaker 1 14 SEC teams in the thing, break the records, like, man, this guy knows. BYU, this team could have a chance to go on an entire run in this.
It's like everything he has kind of said to us.

Speaker 1 I can't remember all the names. There's a Haggerty somewhere who is

Speaker 1 Memphis, I believe. Memphis.
P.J. Hagerty.

Speaker 1 PJ Haggerty of Memphis. I can't wait to to watch.
That's why he keeps

Speaker 1 comparing to Kyrie at

Speaker 1 the outside. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Jeremiah Fears at Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he can move now. You know, he can move.
On a string. Yeah, and Yukon, you know, they got a little bit of trouble there because they can't defend the perimeter.
There it is.

Speaker 1 I believe is the conversation. Yeah.
So

Speaker 9 we will take that. Florida's like Noah's Ark, right? Florida's like Noah's Ark.
They got two of everyone.

Speaker 1 Two of everything. So whenever you see two guys down there, yeah, they got them.
You're not seeing things with your eyes. They got two of everything.

Speaker 1 And then Michigan, this team, they got this wolf cat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this guy.

Speaker 1 This guy howls, bro. He's homeless, Leonard, homeless.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He'll take it off the glass.
He'll go outside. Lottery pick.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 a tough draw, this Auburn team.

Speaker 3 And then they got this guy, conspiracy, former, what was it?

Speaker 1 Clayton we're talking about? Former Florida, former Auburn guard. Oh, yeah.
You're not talking about Clayton down there. Florida.
He's formerly Iona.

Speaker 1 Tino's St. John.
Conspiracy. Conspiracies.
I mean, they're all over the place. Italians taking each other on? Yeah.
I just learned we listened pretty well. I think so.

Speaker 1 I think that is the difference between our particular program. We are in the moment.
You know, we don't have teleprompted questions that are right in front of us.

Speaker 3 Depending on who's in there and what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, there is a little bit of distraction that potentially happens. There has been basketball shots shot on this particular hoop whenever somebody takes up the full screen.
Sure.

Speaker 3 Sometimes it's like, hey, we got nothing to talk about. Why don't you come in here? We're going to ask you six, seven questions, and we're going to let you run.
For two weeks. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's some talkers that come on here. One time you were breaking news during someone's interview.

Speaker 1 I forget who was on, but you were actually walking on the gym court trying to find some breaking news for us. Yeah, that's pretty.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's some magic that takes place behind the scenes here, but there's a lot of doofuses going, all right, I'm bored with this guy or the fans. I assume they are.

Speaker 1 But we got to show some respect. We can't just kick him off.
Like this guy in five, ten minutes. Good person.
Bad day. Bad day.

Speaker 1 So let's at least entertain ourselves around here. But shout out to Seth.
We've enjoyed his conference. Hell yeah, Seth.

Speaker 9 Good.

Speaker 1 Fasso booked Les Need. Yep.
Hell yeah. Nice.
How about that?

Speaker 9 He was good. He was really good.

Speaker 1 Fasso did the connect there. Fasso did the, yeah.
It was good. He knew somebody did something, sent a thing.
Now we got a.

Speaker 1 It's like, thank you. And the way he speaks, awesome.
I mean, that was the parameters of an agreement, like that whole, his angle in which he approaches things.

Speaker 1 Heavy

Speaker 1 lifter in high school, he said, makes sense with the way

Speaker 1 it kind of approaches some things.

Speaker 9 Hey, don't like the safety bar, man. I know that.

Speaker 1 Do you have one at

Speaker 9 the house? No, I don't, but

Speaker 9 that does kind of take some strain off your knees and your back. If you use that when you hold on to the front,

Speaker 9 there's a use to it, but no, I love putting the bar on my back.

Speaker 9 You got to load your spine. I like that.

Speaker 1 You're still squatting?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Have to. Everybody's scared of losing your cakes.
You know that.

Speaker 3 Not everybody. You're the greatest.

Speaker 1 We've seen the Ozempic just take everybody's cheeks.

Speaker 1 Just lift.

Speaker 9 If the people are going to take it, just lift weights on it. Like you're allowed to lift if you take that stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 1 people uh people who are taking ozempic not real big lifters yeah taking ozempic to not have to really change much but lose weight you know that's kind of why it's the cheat code yeah that is what it's semaglutide wow this thing just kind of you do whatever you want yeah and you're just gonna lose weight you're not gonna want to eat as much uh you might not feel as good all the time but yeah you're gonna lose weight quick talking about 20 of your body weight you want to you want to knock off 20 of your body weight how does that sound how how's a brand new lifelong but it does make you lose your butt cheeks and everything else.

Speaker 1 You know, you kind of start looking.

Speaker 1 You can, not everybody, but it seems like one of the side effects of the Ozempic that is not being chatted about is you kind of look like your body just kind of, you know, starts kind of with it.

Speaker 1 Because I think it attacks your muscles too. I think is like the, so you got to, you got to keep working out.
You got to keep working out. I agree.
But I'm happy they figured that out for people.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Legitimate.

Speaker 1 Legit. I'm happy that happened because there was people that were just wasting away because they got too heavy.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, their discipline may be not as great, but they also, maybe they get to a point where they want to change it. It's like you're staring down five years of commitment here without it.

Speaker 1 And it's like too scary, too daunting of a task almost.

Speaker 1 So the fact that medicine was able to figure out something to get people back into being, you know, potentially active and living their life again, that's good.

Speaker 3 But you're going to lose your cheeks, though.

Speaker 1 You're going to lose your cheeks.

Speaker 1 I don't think you should be putting a metal bar on your spine like AJ's doing. Get that safety rack.
I'm definitely going to do that.

Speaker 9 I realized I put the bar low. When I got to the Packers, I realized when I do squats, I put the bar pretty low on my back, like not right on the top of your neck.

Speaker 9 And I guess that's an Ohio thing. My strength coach, like, oh yeah, it's like a, for some reason, kids from Ohio do that.

Speaker 1 And is that because you don't want it to be right on the bone at the top? Yeah, I think I was the lower guy, too.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because some people do put it right like a, right in your spine, that bone. I'm like, I can net.
Mine's like... well down, much farther down than other guys.

Speaker 1 I never lifted in high school. And then I get to college with Mike Barwis.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And we're lifting okay we were lifting no choice we were lifting very hard very rapidly we're moving a lot of weight and it was awesome like it was a a fun time but like squatting for the first time like actually i was in so much pain in front of everybody couldn't couldn't though you know couldn't my legs very strong upper body not that strong

Speaker 1 Spine bone not calloused enough to just have a fucking metal bar just sitting on top of it. So I had to grit and bear through that.

Speaker 1 That was like a tough six, seven months of just that thing sitting on there every single time so i moved that down lower too i started doing lower but then your arms much more important to the entire process i mean the arms hey we're working together with this thing now because if that

Speaker 1 slides move you look like the biggest asshole yeah you're a fool of all time there's a happy happy medium that's how you it makes it easier to dump the heavyweights back in the day when you're doing one rep max you dump it you run out from you run out in front and it drops onto the safety rack yeah we never dumping we were never dumping racks though we were never doing that hey do you still max squat no way you no no chance.

Speaker 9 No, I would die. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Like 225 for a bunch? Or?

Speaker 9 I mean, depending on how I feel at the moment, but 275 for you know a good amount of reps and then go up 315, go go heavy if I need to. Like, you know, high threes.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You talked to Tim Tebow. He's not max activity.
Remember that? Oh, yeah. How much?

Speaker 9 Timmy is so jacked. So jacked, Timmy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're not lifting for reps.

Speaker 1 You're right. That's what he said.
Protein.

Speaker 1 In iron is all Tim Tebow's on. He is so jacked.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is he trying to get into one of those shows things? Good. So baseball.
He should. He was in the show for a bit.
Remember when he was just hitting dingers in those minor league fields? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, robbing home runs. He had like 67.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was kind of his

Speaker 2 downfall.

Speaker 3 He robbed too many home runs.

Speaker 2 No, he was taking headers on flyballs.

Speaker 1 No, cans of corn that he carried. He's hadn't played in 15 years.
No, I know. He was trying to get back into the sport.
He was on an immense spotlight.

Speaker 2 You know what he should do? Is he should play the competitive softball because he'd hit it fucking 10,000 feet.

Speaker 1 Brother, I did the Oklahoma softball thing. Yeah.
Oh, you're talking about slow pitch or fast pitch? Yeah, slow pitch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're slow pitch, like that the old dudes are playing, hitting it eight, 7,000 miles an hour on a line. Hey, killing people.
Stu Roenick pitching for the Big Dogs Bar in Plumboro. Sure.

Speaker 1 He can throw a knuckler. Yeah, I bet.
He can throw a knuckle.

Speaker 1 Don't think that ball is just coming up and coming down. Not from Stu.
That thing's, ooh, we got a little

Speaker 1 shake on that thing, a little bit of bake on that thing. I did the fast pitch thing with those Oklahoma Oklahoma ladies.
Oh, yeah, that's impossible. That's no chance.

Speaker 9 That's impossible.

Speaker 2 No chance.

Speaker 1 What, dude? That thing started at my shins and then was at my face before it. They call it the riser.
And they say the only way you can beat is you don't swing because it's not going to be a strike.

Speaker 1 But boy, the entire time that thing looks like it's coming right in there and then boom, right off your face, pretty much. And this lady, I don't remember her name.

Speaker 1 I think she transferred in from North Carolina. I think.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 They were a great team. A lot of Moxie on on that team.
A lot of Moxie. Champions.
Patty.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah. Patty Gaso.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Patty Gasso.

Speaker 1 But they were throwing that shit and watching, it just gets there so quick, you know, because it's so 45 feet or

Speaker 9 48, right? Or 45.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's shorter, obviously very short. But like the motion, too, is almost like Mez, because you're like...

Speaker 1 Baits you. You're like watching the motion, you know.
So if you've never seen anything, and I was lucky because like punt snaps, they kind of throw from under here and they have to find the laces.

Speaker 1 So like I was kind of a little comfortable with with it. But the first couple of times I sat in there, I'm like,

Speaker 1 I don't know how anybody hits this thing ever. And I finally make contact, but it was shit.
It was absolute shit. Those fast, those are hard.

Speaker 1 Those are a, how do MLB guys do it against a grade, I assume, or they do, because the ball is bigger. So I would assume that would help.

Speaker 2 And I would assume so because those guys, even though it is closer, like you're reacting, I mean, they're facing guys like, you know, Skeens who are throwing like 102.

Speaker 2 Like your reaction time still has to be pretty fucking good.

Speaker 1 College guys, though, college dudes struggling with fast pitch.

Speaker 2 Like the the

Speaker 2 elite guys probably not but i i bet a lot of dudes would because it is you're just not used 45 48 like that is your reaction time has to be so quick the ball movement was insane though that thing was like

Speaker 1 and i think because it's bigger more surface area can actually potentially a little bit more right a little bit more movement on that thing you know but it looks very good until about right here and then it's and if you do square one of those up like you're hitting homer because the the fields are you know 200 feet around so it's like if you make good contact you're you're giving it a ride it's a great sport uh i enjoyed it it was electric and they pack out a stadium out there oh yeah so i assume the environment is one and that's that's always something that happens you know omaha takes place then the softball one happens and we watch it for like two weeks or a week or whatever and we're like that's electrifying and then we move on you know and then i step in at batters box and i watch this shit i'm like geez louise oklahoma's gonna win again i think from what i saw they are reloaded got it they got

Speaker 1 and patty gas will fight you you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She's a dog.
Baseball started today. The MLB started its actual season today, AJ.
I don't know if you know that. Ty, what the hell happened in Japan?

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Tokyo series. So the Dodgers and the Cubs played, obviously, Shohei and Yoshinobu Yamamoto, but they also signed Roki Sasaki.

Speaker 2 So like basically all the best players in Japan play for the Dodgers right now. So it kind of makes sense.
Hey, we'll go over a little bit early and kind of start the season this way. It's a big deal.

Speaker 2 Be able to give back to the people in Japan.

Speaker 2 It was the first time ever that two Japanese pitchers started an opening day for the MLB because obviously he changed his name because he just wants to go by Mike. We had him on the show.

Speaker 2 Imanaga for the Cubs was the starting pitcher. So it is kind of weird because they start.

Speaker 1 Just Mike Imanaga? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't remember that. Like Gian Carlos Stan?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you don't remember that?

Speaker 2 He basically, he's like, I just want to be one of the guys in the clubhouse, okay? I don't want it to be. So on my name plate, just fucking call me Mike.

Speaker 2 I don't need people messing up my name or anything like that. Okay.

Speaker 1 I love Mike. Shota Imanaga is a great name.
Exactly. Mike also a good name.

Speaker 2 But he was just like, you know what? I kind of like Mike. So just

Speaker 1 Mike Imanaga took on Yamamoto. Correct.

Speaker 3 And did he change his name or no?

Speaker 2 No, he is Yoshinobo Yamamoto.

Speaker 1 Shohei still. Shohei Shohei.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he, you know, the Sean. If you're a casual, you know, watcher of baseball, the thing that, I mean, obviously everyone knows about Shohei, but he is so fun to watch because

Speaker 2 he tries to hit a home. He swings so violently every single time, no matter what.
I mean,

Speaker 1 it's just a run-of-the-mill single, but boy, did he hit the 500 miles an hour?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he hits it so hard.

Speaker 2 He had a double later.

Speaker 2 Imanaga actually threw four innings of no hit ball. And for whatever reason, the Cubs decided to take him out after 69 pitches.
They said, hey, 70 pitches is going to be kind of your mark.

Speaker 2 You're going to be done after that. Of course, they go to the bullpen and then, boom, the Dodgers put up four runs almost immediately.
They lose the game. So it was kind of one of those.

Speaker 1 Classic Cubs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, classic cubbies. And that's what a lot of people were saying.

Speaker 2 You know, awesome that the Cubs could give us our first bonehead decision of the MLB season so early in Japan. This guy's there in front of his, you know, he's back home.
A lot of fans there.

Speaker 2 He's pitching unbelievably. He had four walks, so his pitch count was getting up a little bit, but they hadn't got a hit off him, you know, and then they decided to yank him.

Speaker 2 And obviously, the Dodgers, right as they yank him, boom, they just fucking attack the bullpen pitcher, the relief pitcher, and put up four runs almost instantly, win the game.

Speaker 2 We got another game tomorrow who Roki Sasaki, the other big, like, you know, kind of the next, I won't say the next Johei, but in terms of like pitching prospects, like he was a guy who every MLB team wanted.

Speaker 2 He's going to pitch for the Dodgers tomorrow.

Speaker 1 So Central America, big for baseball, right? Yes.

Speaker 1 South America,

Speaker 1 I assume, as well. And Japan has had a deep history, right, in the sport of baseball, and they love it.

Speaker 2 40,000 people were at the Tokyo Dome. They said the cheapest ticket in the nosebleeds up there, I think, was anywhere from $3,000 to $5,000.
So they said

Speaker 2 impossible to get into the stadium. But yeah, the fans over there are rapid.

Speaker 1 They love it. What was the number of the global audience? for Shohei's first playoff? Obviously, they went over series.

Speaker 2 It was insane.

Speaker 1 Fox reported some absurd. Do you remember that, AJ? Whenever it was like the total audience, global audience that was watching? Because they started selling

Speaker 1 ads

Speaker 1 for Japanese companies.

Speaker 1 30 million. Yeah, 30 million people watched a baseball game or whatever.
And they're like 10 maybe in America, maybe eight in America, and then like 20 plus in Japan.

Speaker 1 And the time difference was so insane. It's like, Shohei obviously is.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's spectacular. It is

Speaker 1 phenomenal to watch this dude, especially the way he goes about it. Like just like this calm confidence and obsession with baseball, if you listen to what everybody's saying.

Speaker 1 And remember, he was a victim. Like a very, very, very

Speaker 1 huge amount of money was stolen from him by the guy who was his mouth and ears.

Speaker 1 And it's supposed to be his tag team partner and like his best friend, I would assume, in this entire thing.

Speaker 1 Robbed him to start his entire career, almost tanked his entire legacy before it even started. And all he has done is just remain committed to ball and trying to become his absolute best.

Speaker 1 He goes to the the Dodgers. They have great success.
His first year there win it. And yeah, he's one of the boys now, it feels like.

Speaker 1 And baseball, I assume everybody is very thankful in baseball the show he's playing, but I am as well because I'm intrigued to watch this guy do his thing. Is he ever going to get back to pitching?

Speaker 2 He's going to pitch this year.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Which,

Speaker 2 you know, if you're a Dodgers fan, obviously it's awesome.

Speaker 2 But because of how special he is at the plate, I do just kind of worry about that because that would be like the one way to kind of shorten his career.

Speaker 2 Like if he has any arm issues or anything like that i mean he did still hit last year but like if he would need if he would need tommy john because of it or something like he's just so special at the play he's the first guy ever last year to hit 50 homers steal 50 bases like if he wants to he could hit 60 homers and steal 60 bases like he's just he's a unicorn so it's one of those things where their pitching staff is already so good they got blake snell who was arguably one of like the top free agent pitchers They have Tyler Glass now, who former pirate, like he is also a stud.

Speaker 2 He got hurt last year and didn't play. Like, they are so deep pitching-wise that they almost don't need it.

Speaker 1 So, could they like put him on an alternate rotation? Like, hey, uh, every two rotations, you're gonna get a game or something.

Speaker 3 Is that ever when that happens?

Speaker 2 They probably could do that, but I think, I mean, and he is different, so maybe it would be different. But I feel like those guys, like, those guys are such creatures of habit that it'd be weird.

Speaker 2 And now, maybe if it was set, like, hey, you're gonna pitch every 10 days as opposed to every five days, then it might work out.

Speaker 2 But for the most part, those guys, like, they just, you know, like we've never seen that guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, exactly. This guy's awesome, man.
He is. I love him.
I love Shoheio.

Speaker 1 That's why I was so, you know, bombed out that he was taking advantage of, you know, and I think a lot of people didn't think it was possible for him to be taken advantage of.

Speaker 1 And then the more that's coming out, it's like, yeah, this guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 9 He better be.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of like evidence coming out now about the phone calls and the way he was working and who he was tricking and how it was all happening. It's like, yeah, he, he,

Speaker 1 he fucked over Shohei Otani in a massive, massive way. And he never, right? This guy never flinched.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, you, yeah, like you said, like, he had arguably the best offensive season ever for a player. And every time, like, they would show him to, like,

Speaker 2 his demeanor, like, he was always laughing in the dugout, always smiling, always having fun.

Speaker 2 Like, whereas, you know, a lot of guys, especially you're in a different country, like, that could really fuck with you.

Speaker 2 And if, you know, if he ever needed an excuse to be like, hey, this is why I didn't have a very good season last year.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of them there. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 And what do they do? Like, he wins a World Series and has, you know, a season that people will be talking about 50 years from now.

Speaker 1 So you got Shohei, then you got Skeens, obviously. Yeah.
You know, and Skeens was named the opening day starter in a video that was released by the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Speaker 1 And you got a lot of people going like, yeah.

Speaker 1 The sky is sometimes blue and everything like that. But remember, last year he wasn't even on the Buckeas at this point.
Right. You know, not too long ago, this dude was pitching for LSU.

Speaker 1 And then he was here with the Indianapolis Indians downtown selling this place out.

Speaker 1 I mean, just everybody was coming to watch the AAA affiliate for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Not that they don't always do it because it's a beautiful stadium.
It is a beautiful night out here in Indy.

Speaker 1 But like, you'll get, let's say, 60% full. Every time Skeens was on there, that place was backed out.
Ticket prices were going up 50, 60 bucks, whatever it was. Then he goes right to the Pirates.

Speaker 1 Same thing. Must watch television.
He performed wonderfully. Now, it wasn't always good wood whenever he was pitching.
So maybe we didn't get all the outcome we needed. Adds two pitches.

Speaker 1 Now he's the opening day ace for the Pirates, and he is a

Speaker 1 channel changer worthy. Without a doubt.
And I think a lot of people feel that way. So you got Shohei, you got Skeens.
He's only upped his game, right? Skeens in this entire thing?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you know, same deal. He had never faced like MLB hitters last year, but like when you have stuff like he does, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 And he is another one of those guys where like, as long as he stays healthy, he's going to be in contention to be like a Cy Young every single year.

Speaker 2 And that moment where he gets gets told that he's, you know, starting opening day, like that was really sweet.

Speaker 2 Cause, you know, obviously, like, that's a moment he's dreamed of his entire life, probably. He obviously probably knew that that was going to be the case.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's one of the best pitchers in baseball. He damn near won the Cy Young last year as a rookie.
But just like...

Speaker 2 being told that, like, I'm sure that that is something that he'll remember forever, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, baseball seemingly has those moments, you know.

Speaker 2 When guys get called up to the big leagues and stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, starting. You know, there's.

Speaker 9 How many years till the Yankees snatch him up, though, Ty?

Speaker 2 Whenever he's about seven.

Speaker 1 Everybody needs relax.

Speaker 9 Okay. Oh, it's going to be...
They got him for seven years?

Speaker 6 They got him for a decent amount. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a long time. He's got to be able to opt out, doesn't he? Let me see.

Speaker 1 I want to. He's a Pittsburgh boy.
You see that mustache he's got?

Speaker 3 He's got a beard now.

Speaker 1 He's looking unbelievable. Yeah.
And he's, you know, he's got that. He's super calm.
Jeez. Super, duper humble.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable

Speaker 1 humility. Very chill.
Wanted to be a fighter pilot, you know, in this entire thing. Still, I think, donates to the military and things like that.
He's got a new one.

Speaker 1 You see off to the right whenever he gets somebody, you know, because there's a couple moments where he gets a strike and there's like, he times up the, yeah, he's got a couple new little, oh, we're vibing right now.

Speaker 1 Possessed. And he's added two pitches.
And to your point about last year, at this point, he had never faced MLB hitters. So like now he has like half a season.
of experience.

Speaker 2 Kind of knows how to get guys out, certain guys, like the really good guys.

Speaker 2 It's like, okay, he doesn't do as well with this pitch or like he doesn't like this area or i can get him to you know look on this pitch or you know what did he add what are the two pitches he added do we remember what they were he added two pitches this offseason uh i don't know what two pitch but like that's something that that's what they say like when these guys actually get to the big leagues and they get like a where you're not doing anything else and this is a full-time job like when you have the ability to kind of manipulate the baseball like he does like you know they talked about his splinker that no one else had like but a couple when a guy throws this hard sometimes they don't have to rely as much on off-speed pitches, but that would be the thing.

Speaker 2 Like, he'll add a couple pluses.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what were they? What were the two pitches? Cutter and a sinker. Cutter and a sinker.
So that's junk? Is that what that's considered?

Speaker 2 Like, variations of a fastball, but just like that

Speaker 2 the movement is like, you know, those could potentially be a couple more out pitches. Because that is one thing people would start to know.

Speaker 2 Like, you get down 0-2, and they talked about the splinker all last year. It's like you kind of understand that that.
But also, like, you know, like Mariano Rivera threw a cutter.

Speaker 2 So, like, if he gets guys on base and he wants to jam guys up and try to, you know, like turn double plays and stuff like that, like

Speaker 2 these are just options where, because he is a strikeout pitcher.

Speaker 2 Like, and if you want to kind of manage how many pitches he's going to throw in a game, because it's one of those things when you're striking out a shitload of guys, like, they don't want him throwing over 100 pitches every game.

Speaker 2 Like, they want him to have some quick innings. So, you implement like a cutter and a sinker where you're going to induce a lot more like groundouts and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 Like, that might be what they're thinking.

Speaker 3 Jeez. Is the replay going to be live this year? Yeah, we should.

Speaker 1 I think think I saw some tapping of a helmet or something.

Speaker 14 No, I was just spring training. Yeah,

Speaker 2 they're not doing it.

Speaker 1 So no new rules this year. Right.

Speaker 2 Just it'd be the, yeah, all the same, like pitch clock and all that kind of shit is still instituted, but yeah, not going to the replay for, you know, balls and strikes.

Speaker 1 Okay, so are we going to pay attention more to this baseball season? Because the Mets are now the Kings of New York.

Speaker 2 They're not, but, you know, hey, they could be. Season hasn't started yet.

Speaker 6 Season hasn't started yet. Buckles will be good.

Speaker 1 What happened to the Yankees? The Yankees are in a bad spot.

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, it hasn't been the greatest spring, to say the least.

Speaker 1 The Big Boom girl.

Speaker 2 But, yeah.

Speaker 1 Nah, but did you see what the Big Booms did for somebody else? They did something else. Somebody won a bunch, the Big Booms.

Speaker 3 Oh, who was that?

Speaker 14 I don't know. L.A.
Kings, six goals straight since they had a family.

Speaker 1 I thought that was the Rizzler.

Speaker 3 Byfields, hunting, hunting. Yeah, the Rizzler was there for that, though.

Speaker 2 Well, again, you know, they're just guns for hire, so they can act like they're Yankee fans. But, you know, again, until Aaron Judge

Speaker 2 batters them to a bloody pulp, whichever one they want to, you know, put up for it is, that's their call.

Speaker 1 But um no we'll see i mean i'm old i'm i'm what are you talking about what do you mean

Speaker 1 it's serious business i'm a boom fan we're all big i was

Speaker 1 i was and you know what i should have known when they went into texas roadhouse and did what they did i should have known a little bit too true maybe i need to look into these folks a little bit more the texas roadhouse thing was wild that made me want to go to texas roadhouse to show my allegiance to texas i did for sure yeah me too me and the wife did as well yeah sat right down there at the bar hey i need one of your chilled salads that are unbelievable Chicken critters are unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Fantastic. The fries, the load of steak fries.
Come on. The ranch dressing, they're better than anywhere else.

Speaker 1 And then the chicken-fried steak, how you doing? Keep it moving. How many booms? All of the booms.
So we're going to disagree on some things.

Speaker 1 But they did say that the Yankees, since the booms, have happened, has not been great. What about the World Series performance? We're not throwing more people under it all, but Ice Cube out in L.A.

Speaker 1 Okay, today was a good day.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, Fat Joe is certainly to blame.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think Fat Joe. He is.
He was just showing up 4-1-10, just like Tracy Morgan was last week. Well, yeah.
I hope he's doing okay.

Speaker 1 We are happy to report via Tracy Morgan's Instagram that it was food poisoning. And he is a-okay.
Okay, good. That's it.

Speaker 1 He also mentioned

Speaker 1 that thanks, obviously, to all the staff and his people for taking care of him. And he said, hey, they're undefeated when I puke on a court, so I might need to bring this back in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what, he's got the Knicks on his phone cover.

Speaker 1 I assume that Tracy Morgan would force himself to puke later if it was an actuality of them being undefeated. But yeah, this hit the internet.

Speaker 1 And obviously with everything that's happened around Tracy Morgan, I think a lot of people were like,

Speaker 1 is he okay?

Speaker 1 I don't think Bobby Bacola wants to see that again. Yeah, Bobby goes to every game.
No, Bobby Sheets and shit there. He does.
He's Master Square Gun, Tracy Morgan puking all over my goddamn shoes.

Speaker 1 A lot of people. These shoes? Yes.
These shoes.

Speaker 1 So it was puke, and then there was some blood. And I think all of us were just like, we hope everything, is he okay? Okay.
Turns out it was food poisoning. And he said, he'll be back.

Speaker 1 Don't you worry about it. Okay.
You need some more puke, too. We'll get it.
That was a lot of vomiting. Yeah, it was a lot.
That was crazy.

Speaker 9 That was splashed all over the court, too. It definitely splashed off that wood.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and definitely, you saw the girl sitting two down. She had boots on, I think, but she was even like, oh.
She's. Because some people get a little.
Whoops. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Chain reaction whenever they see it. Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 It was a stream. It was.

Speaker 1 And that was, get out of my body. you know there was something in there that was get me out of here violent yeah

Speaker 1 happy he's okay tracy we're happy you're okay

Speaker 1 you ever watch his uh comedians in cars getting coffee with seinfeld i think i have seen it he has like a lambeau or ferrari or something they pull up at his house he's got this gated area in new york city i think beautiful home you go through it tracy talking i love that show I really

Speaker 1 do.

Speaker 9 It's really good. It was really good.
They also made a tank for him on that fish tank when they used to build fish tanks for people. They built a sweet one for Tracy.

Speaker 1 Tanked, I think is the name of it. Yeah, I remember that show.

Speaker 1 Yep. All right.
We've all watched the same things, but you guys have watched one more than me. But if I've watched it, I think it means everybody has watched it.

Speaker 3 Do you know that Paul Toodle Jr. and Sr.

Speaker 1 build them a chopper as well? They're the Orange County Choppers. Okay.

Speaker 1 Tuttles. I know, but that's how it spells.
They needed to have a little bit of respect for the boars.

Speaker 3 I do.

Speaker 2 I respect those guys. arguably more than anyone else in the United States.

Speaker 1 I wanted a chopper as soon as I seen one. I think they put a spider one out or I think it was.

Speaker 9 They did a Yankees one too. Sweet Yankees bike.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should get one. They were so fiery.
They were. They were so fiery.
They love yellow. Junior was just trying to do his art.
I know. Senior was like, This is my show still.
And it was. That's

Speaker 9 kicking through doors, kicking through those flimsy doors in that office.

Speaker 1 Bro, this chair right here, no shot. No.
This thing's on wheels and grabbable.

Speaker 1 Paul Tottle Sr. is going to send this fucker through a window.
He's tired of it too, Jr. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's tired.

Speaker 1 I don't have time.

Speaker 1 What are shot in Mikey? Fucking Mikey. Yep.
Just a goober. Oh, Mikey.

Speaker 1 Mikey was such a goober, wasn't he? He was. Why does Junior look so small now? He's not a small guy.
Well, this is when he was younger. Obviously, look at the age of Mike.

Speaker 1 You know, we can tell by the hair and the style of Mikey. Hey, we appreciate what you guys did.
All those orange county choppers look like they were very easy to ride and comfortable. Fun.

Speaker 3 They need to have him play Hogan in the biopic.

Speaker 1 Mikey or senior?

Speaker 3 Biopic, the senior.

Speaker 1 Okay, I didn't know Mikey. Mikey.

Speaker 1 They both.

Speaker 3 He can play his son.

Speaker 1 They introduced me to the first ever, I believe it's called Suicide Shift or something like that, where it's like an actual gear shift on the bike. Yeah.
As opposed to like the...

Speaker 9 I saw Frat Pitt had one of those. I saw him riding around doing that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that seems dangerous.

Speaker 1 That seems like that's the bad idea. That's how the name came apart.
Yeah. I think so.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 How are they getting gas in some of those tanks, too? Some of those tanks were real slender. So I'm like, am I getting down the road here and then we got to refill?

Speaker 1 And then they'd always have an answer. Got a second tank, you know, down here.
It's like, thank you, Warren,

Speaker 3 too.

Speaker 1 What have we not talked about today that we needed to hit? We hit,

Speaker 1 we hit baseball. We hit

Speaker 1 not well enough, though. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is the senior insider for the MLB at ESPN, man who is the voice of a generation for a sport that is called America's

Speaker 1 oldest pastime. Ladies and gentlemen, Jet Pass.
Yeah, Jay.

Speaker 1 Jet, hey,

Speaker 1 did you watch the titles make motorcycles?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 10 They were brilliant. I loved them.

Speaker 10 It all goes back to the scene in pulp fiction where

Speaker 10 Butch is confronted by his girlfriend saying, what's that? And he says, it's a chopper. And she says, can we get on your motorcycle? And he's like, no, that's a chopper, baby.
It's Zed's.

Speaker 10 zed zed's dead and i love love the whole scene so ever since and i will i will

Speaker 1 chopper fan since then since zed's dead chopper fan got it rest in peace to zed i don't know what zed did i don't remember fulfiction exactly but not great i saw well zed deserved it rest in peace

Speaker 1 rest in peace zed that's what i think and uh he enjoyed choppers choppers are a wonderful bike my first bike was a chopper extended front end you know has a longer that's kind of the chopper you chop it up you know you do the whole thing and uh i've always always wanted an Orange County chopper.

Speaker 1 Maybe today's the day we pulled one, Patrick. I think senior and junior are still doing things separate.
I don't know. To be honest, it just got reminded of it.

Speaker 1 Probably will happen by the end of the week. Speaking of, by the end of this week, the actual MLB season won't have started, but we've already had two games.

Speaker 1 Now, this is the second year, I believe, that the MLB has done this where the games are international to start the season, but it's not actually. Everybody else is still in preseason.

Speaker 1 I love this move, you know, because it's kind of a teaser to the regular season coming. And also, the environment, I wasn't up for it, but seeing the clips electrifying over there.

Speaker 1 Now, is Shohei the reason for this all happening? And uh, how often will we have this type of international crossover going forward?

Speaker 10 I mean, Shohei is the reason for everything in baseball now, right? Like, it's it's been a quarter century since baseball's had a star, like a like a star with international appeal, like Shohei Otani.

Speaker 10 And the fact that they can go to Tokyo, and it's not just Shohei, right? Yoshinobu Yamamoto starts the game for the Dodgers. Shota Imanaga starts the game for the Cubs.

Speaker 10 Steya Suzuki is hitting second for the Cubs. Shohei is hitting leadoff.
Roki Sasaki starting game two for the Dodgers.

Speaker 10 You know, baseball has been trying to catch up internationally to other sports over the last decade or so. And we had the games in Korea last year, and they've gone to Japan before.

Speaker 10 You know, I remember back in 2008, the A's and the Red Sox started the season there, and that was my first time visiting Japan.

Speaker 10 So, this isn't anything that's new necessarily, but there's just a lot more resonance now because Japan is such an integral part of where baseball is now and where it wants to be.

Speaker 10 And listen, there are

Speaker 10 not a lot of countries around the world, Pat, where baseball is the number one sport. It is unquestionably so in Japan.

Speaker 10 So, to see the game start in that environment, to see Otani get to play in front of a country where he's absolutely revered,

Speaker 10 I think was a really cool thing for the sport.

Speaker 1 I think we heard whenever Shoda talked to us last year through a translator. First of all, he was awesome on our show.
He said, Call me Mike, put the whole thing in there.

Speaker 1 He is awesome. He is, they need to showcase him more.
And obviously, starting on opening day here for the Cubs and throwing a no-hitter through four. Yep.

Speaker 1 And then obviously them pulling him in his home country on opening day. Nonetheless, that's it's it's old conversation there.
But whenever you

Speaker 1 think about,

Speaker 1 I forget which direction I was headed with this, but fucking Shohei getting their entire country to kind of rally behind it.

Speaker 1 And then the numbers are like 30 million, right, for that first playoff game, I think is what they said internationally. It would behoove the MLB to do more over there, right?

Speaker 1 Because a lot of these guys, didn't they say, and I think, oh yeah, this is where I was Shota. Shota said like he almost didn't want to leave Japan.

Speaker 1 Like some of these people don't want to leave Japan because of what baseball is over there.

Speaker 1 So if like Shohei is now playing back in Japan a couple times a year, Shoda's playing a couple times back in Japan. I think that's a big decision for a lot of these Japanese baseball players, right?

Speaker 1 Isn't that something if I was hearing them correctly?

Speaker 10 Oh, 100%. I mean, think about this, Pat.
Think about you wanting to do the thing that you love at the absolute highest level possible. And look, Japanese baseball is very good.

Speaker 10 It's not major league baseball. The level of competition in MLB is just so much higher than everywhere around the world.

Speaker 10 And so, if you want to test yourself as an athlete, if you want to push yourself to be the best you can be, you go to Major League Baseball in spite of the cultural differences and of the things that you are missing at home.

Speaker 10 You make yourself uncomfortable.

Speaker 10 And I think that that discomfort, you know, for a lot of guys, it's what fuels them that they don't want to be the person who went across the ocean to play the game they love and came back home as a failure.

Speaker 10 And so having that pushing them and getting to bring that to Japan where they so deeply appreciate the sport and appreciate all the beauties of it.

Speaker 10 I understand there are a lot of fans right now who are like, why are you starting the season somewhere else? And to that, I say, let's remember, this is not about today for Major League Baseball.

Speaker 10 This is not about this year. This is about a game that doesn't have as much resonance as the United States as it did once upon a time.
And so how can we figure out where to find that resonance?

Speaker 10 And if you can find that in Japan, if you can find that in other countries, then why wouldn't you bring your product there and spread the love?

Speaker 1 And showcase it. Yeah.
Like baseball, showcasing how much it's loved in Japan, I think is a good thing. Like for me, I'm watching that environment.
I'm like, damn, they love, like, baseball is

Speaker 1 huge in Japan. Yeah, it's like cool for me to see.
I didn't wake up for it, but like the clips, it is certainly something. Ty has some questions for you.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you,

Speaker 10 I'll tell you what it reminds me of quickly. Sorry to interrupt there.

Speaker 10 What it reminds me of is baseball in the Dominican Republic and in Venezuela and in Cuba and all throughout Latin America, where it's not a pastime, it's a passion.

Speaker 10 And, you know, the lack of passion domestically around Major League Baseball is alarming for the sport.

Speaker 10 But to go and find it in other places and to show fans in the United States what baseball can be like.

Speaker 10 You know, baseball in Latin America, in the Caribbean, in Japan, reminds me a lot of college football, just in how much pride people take in their teams and how truly, deeply devoted they are to it.

Speaker 1 To that point, college baseball, right?

Speaker 1 Some of these college baseball teams we'll see out of the SEC mostly. In the South, certainly.

Speaker 1 Don't want to continue to toot Greg Sankey's horn down there, but geez, Luis, it seems like down in the South, their baseball teams are very passionate.

Speaker 1 I still remember, I think it was Ole Miss hit a dinger. First one out of COVID.
First thing we saw. Yep.
Live audience was college baseball home run. Everybody in the outfield packed.

Speaker 1 Beers, waters, going bananas. It's like, that looks like a whole different sport.
And then the Savannah bananas, they're

Speaker 1 selling on a stadium. No, no, no.
Boys. We'll go there, but one, two.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. That is awesome.
That's good for the sport of baseball as well.

Speaker 3 Very cool, but that ain't baseball. And even I know that.
One, two, three right now.

Speaker 3 One, two, three right now is SEC teams for the rankings in college baseball.

Speaker 1 So what you're saying, though, is it does exist out there.

Speaker 1 There's a a chance it continues to grow but showcasing it from other places not a bad thing, especially if it's going home from a place that's 16 hour

Speaker 1 time difference. I mean it is opposite side of earth and it all.
Okay Ty has some questions for you Jet.

Speaker 2 Yeah Jet to your point about how good baseball is in Japan but still not obviously being on the level of the MLB. I mean we saw a couple of the Japanese teams win exhibition games early here.

Speaker 2 Do you think the success that some of these guys have had in the MLB like do you think the dam is about to break for Japanese players coming coming over and playing in the MLB anytime soon?

Speaker 2 I mean, we've seen that kid who was the, you know, the home run record in Japan in high school, who played at Shohei's high school, and he's at Stanford. He just hit a couple fucking nukes recently.

Speaker 2 So obviously, these guys are kind of starting to come over more, but do you think the dam is really about to break and we're about to see a whole bunch of Japanese players coming in and playing in the MLB soon?

Speaker 10 Yeah, Ty, you're talking about Rentaro Tasaki at Stanford.

Speaker 10 And, you know, there are a couple of young right-handers, Shumpeita Yamashita and Hiroto Takahashi, who are in their early 20s and thriving in Nippon professional baseball.

Speaker 10 And one of the things about baseball that the modern era and the technology that we have now has provided is

Speaker 10 like we know who's going to be good when they come here. We know what pitch shapes look like.
We know what quality stuff is. We know what a good swing is.

Speaker 10 So it's not quite as much of a guessing game as it was in the past and if you have a guy who is going and performing it's not just about his ERA anymore it's okay what is the shape of his fastball and how does he throw his splitter and all these different elements that allow us a better understanding of what a player actually is and yeah because of that I think there is going to be a flood of players who are coming over it's not going to be in the in the immediate future but i think now that japan understands okay this is what players have to look like in order to go to Major League Baseball, a lot more players are going to focus their training on reaching that ultimate goal of MLB.

Speaker 1 I've never seen

Speaker 1 okay. That's my first time with eyes.
What?

Speaker 1 Big old boy.

Speaker 1 Gone.

Speaker 10 He's a thick boy, Patrick.

Speaker 6 That's my first time seeing him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was my first time with eyes. Because Ty's been talking this guy up like he is the next one when it comes to hitting in this entire thing.
That's my first time seeing him. I love that.

Speaker 1 That's good for baseball.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's not going to be getting a whole lot of extra base hits. He's not going to be stealing a whole lot of bases.

Speaker 1 Hey, that's like one of the things about baseball, though. Like you think about football, any body type could play.
Baseball has always had that same thing.

Speaker 1 Baseball has always had that kind of relatability. You know, and I'm not saying this guy isn't a freak athlete, which he certainly is.
That one.

Speaker 3 Just swing.

Speaker 1 Ty loves this guy.

Speaker 1 Called him the next Babe Ruth.

Speaker 1 Is that what you said, Ty?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he kind of looks like Babe Ruth, too, in his like Stanford headshot. If you just put like a stubby little cigar and maybe put like a hot dog in his breast pocket,

Speaker 2 we have Japanese Babe Ruth.

Speaker 10 And he's actually.

Speaker 10 You know who he looks like? He looks like Prince Fielder. That's what he is.
It's a good comp.

Speaker 10 You know, not a tall guy, but, and, and Prince, like, I think there was a mistake among fans who thought like Prince Fielder was fat. He was not fat.
They're just these body fats.

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm telling you, Jack.

Speaker 1 He had some cushion.

Speaker 10 It's a but like it's a bundle of muscle.

Speaker 1 It's most like a man married. It's a regular

Speaker 1 Connor Dunbo.

Speaker 1 Connor Dunbo. I know.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah. Connor's got a lot of room for talking about guys with bad bodies.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 3 Take on to no one, Jen.

Speaker 1 I know one when I see it. Yeah, I got a bad body for it too, you know.
But if you do add any thickness at all, it's very visible. Yeah.
You know, with the way a body is filled. So, yes, I agree.

Speaker 1 All these dudes that play baseball and are bigger have to be ridiculously strong. Like, that is something they have to have, but they might be comfortable.
You know, they might get comfortable.

Speaker 1 They got hands.

Speaker 9 They got that hand speed, man.

Speaker 1 Ping pong, I bet they are, oh my God. Oh, yeah.
I bet those big boys dominating

Speaker 1 ping-pong tables.

Speaker 1 Think about that. Without a doubt.
Horse games, probably. Pretty good.
Not bad.

Speaker 10 Best ping-pong player in Major League Baseball is Bruce Dargaradiro, who's like 6'3, 300 pounds.

Speaker 1 So there you go. It's good body.

Speaker 1 He's a wall, too. 6'3, he's a wall.
You know, that's tough to get back. If you just keep it on the table, obviously, that's good.

Speaker 1 The guy who would probably win if they did have an actual ping-pong tournament, just because that's what he does. Paul Skeens.

Speaker 1 Where are we at with Paul Skin?

Speaker 10 I talked to Paul Skeens today for about 90 minutes, actually. It was like the first real sit-down conversation that I've had with him.

Speaker 10 And he might be the most impressive, just like as a human being, as the

Speaker 10 most impressive young baseball player I've seen in the the 25 or so years that I've been doing this. He just

Speaker 11 has it together.

Speaker 17 Like he gets it.

Speaker 10 He knows who he is. He knows what he wants to be.
He has so many of these external distractions that could just waylay him away from his goals.

Speaker 10 But the fact that he spent those two years at Air Force getting to know himself, preparing him for the time that he spent at LSU, which prepared him for Major League Baseball, like

Speaker 10 I just came away so impressed by the guy. He really gets it.

Speaker 1 Absurdly humble, isn't he? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you're talking about him knowing who he is, too. It's like he knows, too.
Yeah, like he knows. He's a guy.
Let's not waste it. Let's make the most of it.

Speaker 1 And then also, let's try to get better and better. We just talked about it.
He added a sinker

Speaker 1 and a cutter this offseason. Uh-oh.
Jet's connection is insane.

Speaker 1 Don't want to talk about the Pirates. I mean, I get it.

Speaker 3 That does make sense.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Passon. Hey, Jet.

Speaker 9 Thanks, Jet.

Speaker 1 You can learn more about that 90-minute sit-down that Jeff Passon had with Paul Skeen somewhere at some time. JeffPasson.com.
Probably going to hear it.

Speaker 3 Somewhere.

Speaker 1 All right. What did we not talk about? Raw yesterday, Brussels was awesome.
That was a bummer not being there.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Start was sweet.
John Cena.

Speaker 1 He's mad at me. I'm a fan.
What's he mad at me for? You guys are making jokes. He's on the warpath.
The invisible joke is funny, dude.

Speaker 3 Yeah, come on. It's funny.
And don't call that little kid a son of a bitch. Well, the kid was being a son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 No, he wasn't. The kid was just having a time.

Speaker 2 That kid was in shock after that.

Speaker 1 As he should have been.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that might change the trajectory of his life.

Speaker 1 Go on, Bub. You can be the next John Cena when John Cena stood for all good things.

Speaker 1 John Cena seemed to be a little bit upset with the way he's been treated over the last 25 years. You know, because there's always been the, let's go, Cena.

Speaker 3 Cena sucks.

Speaker 1 People. It's always been.
Even whenever he was going out there every single day, every single night,

Speaker 1 living on the road, committing his whole life to it, boom boom boom lucky to do it thankful to do it making the most wishes in the history of make-a-wish you know boom boom boom see how it sucks

Speaker 1 you tell it was just kind of the whole time yeah had it on and then when push came and shove what he do he snapped he said i'm dumb this is my last opportunity to let these people know that i don't like the way they've treated me

Speaker 1 and he said that a lot yesterday he did bone was weeping in here yeah

Speaker 1 because he called out bone he did he said the let's go see now people is who he talked

Speaker 1 you're the You're just as despicable as you. Yeah, you're pathetic.
He's talking to Bone. Yeah.

Speaker 6 That kid was bone in an alternate universe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, younger. Started yelling just like D.
Go, John. Belgium Bone.

Speaker 1 Belgium Bone and D-Bone here suffered the same fate yesterday, which was heartbreak. Yeah.
Because of the things that John Cena said. I was bummed out as well.

Speaker 1 I was bummed out. I hope he finds some happiness in there and knows that.
There's a lot of us that respect the work you've done, John.

Speaker 1 A lot of us respect, massive respect and gratitude for you know the work that

Speaker 1 and just because we said let's go see there once i was just trying to tell you that yeah trying to get behind you

Speaker 1 i didn't like what i heard from him me neither love what i heard from totally start rapping again

Speaker 1 he should start dug and almost should have gone out there he should have

Speaker 1 you know i thought maybe he was going to come out and just talk about how great he was didn't that uh yeah I thought he was that way. He could have.

Speaker 1 Instead, he came out and said, let me tell you how terrible you are.

Speaker 1 Jeez, Louise, Bob.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Some people say he was patting.

Speaker 2 You could argue he was patting. He was.

Speaker 1 I saw people saying he was patting, AJ. Did you see that?

Speaker 1 It's 3.10 in the afternoon, and John Cena's patting.

Speaker 1 That's what I saw people saying. Because

Speaker 1 when you were listening to him, it was a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 This ain't that, John Cena. I know.

Speaker 6 He was just telling the truth.

Speaker 9 And that's what he's. He's got off the movie set.
You know, he has a quick break from the movie set, whatever he's filming, jumping off. He's a wrestler.
You know, helicopters.

Speaker 9 He's got a lot in his mind.

Speaker 6 Still, movie sets. He's John C.
He's a wrestler.

Speaker 9 You're right.

Speaker 1 He is a professional wrestler.

Speaker 9 He's also a professional actor. That's going to win an Academy Award someday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we would assume that is the case.

Speaker 3 Wasn't acting yesterday.

Speaker 1 I agree. Maybe.
Was that the?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 It better not have been.

Speaker 1 That wasn't what Sudo has always been.

Speaker 1 It better not have been. Maybe.
No way.

Speaker 3 No way. That's what the champ said.

Speaker 1 Because as I was watching, you know, I had a good setup in here yesterday watching.

Speaker 1 wish i was there crowd was electrifying shout out to the brussels crooks messy bokup paul pashon

Speaker 1 paul two passion now you get it thank you yeah that was awesome show it was adam pierce is in the middle of it it was adam pierce was really in the middle of it i mean he went from one thing boom right to another just bang out the back coming into gorilla what are you doing with the contract I need a contract.

Speaker 1 Taria Ripley.

Speaker 1 And then once he, I don't know how it got settled in Gorilla, then he pokes pokes his head out, and boom, there's a fight happening out.

Speaker 1 Jason

Speaker 2 people are going nuts trying to put out fires all night.

Speaker 1 Literally, yeah. In a different country? Yeah, that's Brussels.
That is Brussels. It was awesome over here.

Speaker 1 Cena was not happy. He was potty.
People were saying he was potty. He's kind of.

Speaker 1 I don't like potty Cena. No.
Me neither. That better not be who, actually.
It won't be. I mean, what does the final boss got to say about what Cena said there? Maybe

Speaker 2 Cena's taking words from the final boss, and you know, he's just a puppet again.

Speaker 3 He wouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 On location, WrestleOps is reporting via Professional Wrestling Insider. On Location, which is the company that kind of does all the event stuff,

Speaker 1 is offering a special intimate meal with John Cena at a five-star restaurant during WrestleMania 41 week. Get him for $25,000 a person.
All right, we're going to do that.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 1 So, how many people?

Speaker 1 How many people

Speaker 9 did a table of 100? Like, what do they limit this?

Speaker 1 Imagine we just circled John for a dinner. Just us.
I think it's just just joining us for a dinner. You, Bone.

Speaker 9 He's got to sit in the middle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right in the middle. Bone would be a little bit more.
He's like in the round. We're all sitting around.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bone.

Speaker 1 Bone.

Speaker 1 What if it was just you and Cena in there? Oh,

Speaker 9 you imagine face to face.

Speaker 1 We bought all 10 spots just for you, Bone.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't you want to tell him, like, hey, I was a, let's go see a guy from the very beginning. Is that what you would want to say, Bone? Or how'd you feel about yesterday?

Speaker 1 Were you a little heartbroken, like that little kid from Belgium, that little Belgium bone boy? no not really i went home and did some reflecting and i think we did up can you

Speaker 1 can you oh my god no no no foxy can we get a camera straight on his face and then put that kid because you do looks just like him you look exactly like the kid uh we're gonna probably use this one here so you can just go right back in the mic quick he smells so bad no he doesn't

Speaker 1 what that's because he's been crying all night that's because bone's been crying all night because uh i mean Belgian bone.

Speaker 9 Dude, the same face as the kid.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. No, he was not smiling.
Yeah, it looks a little more shocking. Hey,

Speaker 1 act like you were acting whenever John Cena came out and said it was your fault.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a little frown.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, my goodness. Two different continents.
Two different age groups.

Speaker 6 Same kid.

Speaker 1 Two different humans. Same kid.
Same bumback kid.

Speaker 1 All right. D-Bun, let's go.

Speaker 1 You said you looked inwards and said you did treat him wrong. You weren't supportive enough of him?

Speaker 3 I think we were pieces of shit to John.

Speaker 1 Why? I don't think I necessarily was. No, you were.
I spoke ill of John in my life. What a mark.

Speaker 1 But as as fans i think we are to blame you think the the iwc potentially is that who you're talking about the internet wrestling community or you're talking about all wrestling marks no absolutely everybody because nobody respected his jorts longer or gave him enough credits could never do anything right we always wanted him healed we got him healed now we hate them just like he said oh geez okay bone

Speaker 1 John Cena's got a rating palm of his hand. He's going to buy the merch.
Yeah. John Cena went out there and said, don't you even think about buying a new merch.
Okay. You get no new shirt.

Speaker 1 You get no new intro music. You get nothing for what you've done.
And D-Bone's like, holy fuck, I never thought about it.

Speaker 1 We did miss Treat Cena.

Speaker 1 He was a superstar through and through. He was.

Speaker 1 And what do we say? Singing stocks just for fun.

Speaker 3 Not fun now. We got our laughs in.

Speaker 1 It's his last time as now, too. So.
This time I'm going to remember him forever. Is the guy who just was mad at us for supporting him? I guess so.

Speaker 1 Did you ever ask him how he's doing backstage or anything all the time huh thank you i think it was one of the first things i said you could say no every time i saw him i said holy shit it's john cena that's literally i guess that is kind of treating him like he's not a human there well geez i'm part of the problem

Speaker 6 the guy killed osama bin laden

Speaker 1 he announced osama bin laden was dead yes that is accurate yeah he gave the order yeah yeah differently

Speaker 9 He was watching from me over office.

Speaker 1 He said, Vin's going to use your situation work.

Speaker 1 What's going to go on with that intercontinental title? Did you see Penta snooping? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Boy, Dom fucked up too.

Speaker 6 What else is new?

Speaker 1 Well, that's Dom. Dom and Finn are certainly at odds a little bit.

Speaker 1 Last week, Dom got him a title shot. This week, they're back to.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know what to make of that judgment day.
Me neither.

Speaker 3 It's time to judge him.

Speaker 1 Today. Judgment disarray.
Who, huh? Aren't we judging properly?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 1 I don't know how Dom is allowed in all these countries anyway, you know? Same.

Speaker 1 You think somebody would say no? He's got to be on a list. Those come back.

Speaker 6 Well, actually, over there.

Speaker 1 What list? Was CM Punk out there? I didn't see him. Phil? I saw.

Speaker 9 What? What?

Speaker 1 CM Punk. Chick Magic.
Excuse me. Sorry.
I saw Seth Rollins. Yep.
But they were still saying Seth freaking Rollins. That's weird.
That was an update from a website. Lost the freaking from the website.

Speaker 1 If the report, what I read was accurate. Sure.
I haven't gone to a website in a long time.

Speaker 1 Getting a treadmill. Getting a new treadmill.
Big deal. Speaking of websites I've been to.
Went to a website.

Speaker 1 One to a website. Yes.
Getting a treadmill. Very excited about it.
Gonna be able to run again without all the.

Speaker 9 It's like a little more cushion.

Speaker 1 It's a...

Speaker 9 You got the zero zero-g. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. Like the rehab treadmill.
That's sweet.

Speaker 1 Have you heard about this?

Speaker 9 I've seen it. Yeah, I've done it back in the day.

Speaker 1 Loved it?

Speaker 9 It takes the weight off. Yeah, like after you get, you know, your knee surgery, you get in there and they say, like, okay, you'll be running with 25% of your own weight right now.

Speaker 9 And you work your way up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and and i guess there's full workouts they have like uh four oh that'd be great if you're you could open it up too and run fast bingo yeah i think so i think there's a chance now you know with how fat i've got and how many knee things i've had and how much i ran with soccer and kicked balls which is just knee shit sprinting and running is not the most fun but i do miss the feeling of running so i'm trying to combat that trying to figure that out found this company we're gonna make it happen now it might be an overpriced waste of it won't be

Speaker 9 you'll just be getting strapped in getting strapped you'll need you need some help getting strapped into the thing no all self all self oh good okay nice yeah you just gotta zip

Speaker 1 i think you just gotta zip

Speaker 1 and then you're in and then this thing activates

Speaker 1 allegedly some super genius created it to do the opposite uh from what i've i've been told so they wanted to add gravity to something for a workout i believe is what somebody and then Either the son of the creator or somebody around the creator was like, can we

Speaker 1 invert the gravity in there? And they did. And then all of a sudden, now they're in every building, basically.
Every single rehab facility.

Speaker 1 So it's like Super Genius is figuring something out. I assume that Super Genius wanted to,

Speaker 1 I don't know, maybe hit hills. I don't know what would, why would you want more gravity? You'd be

Speaker 9 working on speed. Trying to film something that you show people that say, hey, we were here.

Speaker 3 You want to learn how to run on your fucking mouse.

Speaker 2 Run on Mercury?

Speaker 3 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 you're saying the moon landing did this entire thing?

Speaker 2 That was anti-when was this technology created?

Speaker 1 1990.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so way after. I don't know.
Nice try, dickhead.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 9 I think the moon landing is real. We did it.
Okay. We made it.
Okay. I do.
I really do. Do you?

Speaker 1 Hey, you know what? I'd like to look into it a little bit more. Everything I see really makes me wonder, but

Speaker 1 feels like my algo is looking for me to wonder, especially if Seth Greenberg is going to be screaming the word conspiracy. Yeah.
Yeah. On on this show.
Just conspiracy, conspiracy.

Speaker 1 My phone's listening. Okay.
Turn this fucking Siri on first time ever. Turn it on.
Uh-oh. It's listening, anyways.
I knew because we'd be talking about something. I opened my phone.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, that thing is on my phone. First time ever.
It's like, I never turned you on. How the fuck did you know that? Interesting.
Oh, you're listening without me.

Speaker 1 Oh, maybe I'll be able to sue you. Okay, that'll take 10 years and nothing will happen.
So it's listening. Okay.
And this smartphone needs to get smarter. I agree.
I'd say my smartphone is

Speaker 1 low part of class whenever it comes to intelligence. Sure.
I'd say as a whole. But yeah, this fucking thing, Mod.

Speaker 1 Let's put this in. Come on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 For the people.

Speaker 1 One throw only. Okay.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 1 One shiny moment. You got this.

Speaker 1 One shining moment. Just let it fly.
Don't even think. How many people are

Speaker 1 way too many? Yeah, not that. Not that.
Whoa. Whoa, got four people playing tonight.
You got four teams playing tonight. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's...

Speaker 1 Four people. Now's not time.

Speaker 1 Let's go 25 people. Okay.
500 bucks. All I'll have to do is make this Duke a little softer, easier to throw and catch, probably.
Definitely. And hold on to.
Yeah, science.

Speaker 1 Harder to kick, but everything else kind of probably works.

Speaker 3 Do you want to know why that happens?

Speaker 1 To this ball? Yeah. Because in this Thunderdome?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, because it was inside and it's been really warm out. And then since the weather gets colder, air particles come closer together when it gets colder.
Got it.

Speaker 3 So scientifically, it was proven that balls deflate when it gets colder.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. So it's like when wood is in, because it's molecules.
Yeah. Yeah.
The whole thing. Yeah, molecules.
There you go. Well, anyways, it is softer.

Speaker 1 It makes it easier to hold on to, throw, catch, that whole thing.

Speaker 1 All those stats probably go up with this particular pressure move.

Speaker 1 If I had to guess. I'm not saying it was done on purpose.
Science, definitely. Well, all balls.

Speaker 3 They didn't test any of the...

Speaker 3 balls on the other team.

Speaker 3 What team was that?

Speaker 1 That was the team I was on. Okay.

Speaker 3 How many points did you guys score?

Speaker 1 I don't remember, bro.

Speaker 3 10. I think we had like four rushing touchdowns.
So I don't know. Again.

Speaker 1 Who scored all this? Was that? Legarret Blount. Oh, yeah.
I still see him running. He's like 180.
I was staying at the end. I was staying at the end of the box, you know? Center?

Speaker 1 This way.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he had a big day. And I just walked.

Speaker 3 You had three touch.

Speaker 1 He's just still running. Holy fuck.

Speaker 1 Go down the other side.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 We should tackle that guy.

Speaker 1 We didn't. No.
It was hard to that year. And then we got it rubbed in our face because there was a deflate gate that was happening.
And we were just trying to move on with our lives.

Speaker 1 Everybody talked about everybody else. Instead, the boys and I got just buried.

Speaker 1 And I was such a low member of the team that obviously I'm not saying I got buried, but we were reminded of the outcome of that game. Like a lot.
Team got buried for sure. Logo got buried.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the performance.

Speaker 3 The game tape. And they haven't even suspended.

Speaker 9 I can't believe Tom got suspended for that.

Speaker 1 Two years later.

Speaker 3 Two years later, which led to another Super Bowl, but

Speaker 3 the Colts haven't even sniffed that game since.

Speaker 1 Colts are back this year. Remember, I'm off the See.
This year.

Speaker 1 Teeba had to talk to me. All the blogs had to talk to me.
They had to remind me, why not believe?

Speaker 1 You're right.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Dan Jones has a lot of Andrew Luck in him.

Speaker 1 Not just Dan Jones. There's quarterback competition.
Open competition. Dan AR, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're going to bring out the best in each other. That's what competitions do.

Speaker 3 That's true.

Speaker 1 At least this is the first year that you guys have had like a quarterback carousel thing and this hasn't been going on for like six years i know everybody's going to point to matt ryan and carson wentz and philip rivers and jacoby rissett and everything like that but we also had some good days too it's just easy to remember unitis yeah it's an easy time to yeah get barns played for the colts yeah

Speaker 1 bring a bell

Speaker 3 fran tarkenton

Speaker 1 was he a colt no oh he's a viking

Speaker 3 one of the best

Speaker 1 of course at the time yeah and when we're talking vikings football we'll definitely talk about friend he's one of the goes who's Who's going to play for the Vikings? AJ, do you know anybody?

Speaker 9 I wish I knew.

Speaker 6 We all do. You calm and just tell me, hey, what are you doing?

Speaker 9 I'd like to.

Speaker 1 Cold FaceTime right now. You can do it.
There you go.

Speaker 3 Do it.

Speaker 1 Passin''s phone overheated.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 9 That's what he just said. Start the car.
Do you hit none of the car?

Speaker 1 He does chemical peels or something. His skin was glowing.
He always looks good, though. Remember the.

Speaker 1 He's young, isn't he? I think he's older than we think because of how young he looks.

Speaker 1 I believe. Just like Les Sneed said he was in his 50s.
What the fuck are these people all on? Yeah, I know. What are you

Speaker 1 32?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 He's 44. Okay.

Speaker 2 If he was 62, that tree branch would have killed him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. I forgot he's come back from he broke his back.

Speaker 1 Near-death experience.

Speaker 3 Well, it's because Kirchin was standing next to him and he held it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. Kirchin went under and picked it up.

Speaker 1 What do you say? Yeah, what? Crawl out, kid. Crawl out.
I can hold it for the rest of the day.

Speaker 3 And he's still holding it.

Speaker 1 Like a yard gnome, just sitting underneath the fucking thing.

Speaker 1 Talking about grabbing that bar on your spine. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That was like his kind of workout, wasn't it? People would walk into the gym and they'd see him and he'd just be in the corner racking it, right?

Speaker 1 How long has he been covering baseball?

Speaker 2 Fucking 50 years.

Speaker 2 45 years, 50 years.

Speaker 3 Since Babe Ruth.

Speaker 1 Has he had the same voice the whole time?

Speaker 2 As long as I've known him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How do you hit that? That's like rivalries with Coach Izzo yesterday.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just got to dig down in there and find it.

Speaker 1 Because it's worthy because he's an icon.

Speaker 2 Exactly. One of the GOATs.

Speaker 1 One of the goats.

Speaker 1 It's for him. Yep.
Hell yeah. What would he say in this moment right here? Just pat,

Speaker 1 wing it back and fire that son of a bitch into the hoop. He would say that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He would.

Speaker 1 He's a fiery fellow.

Speaker 1 Shout out to him. Shout out to baseball.
Shout out to the 25 people that win 500 bucks if I make this throw.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Ooh. All right, one shot.

Speaker 1 This is for the Indiana Pacers, okay,

Speaker 1 who have been dancing with Destiny, seemingly becoming a team that has been blessed by the basketball gods.

Speaker 1 In the second half of this particular season, obviously a few weeks ago, we remember Tyrese Halliburton hitting the shot of the year and one four-point play to beat the Bucs.

Speaker 1 Well, how about last night against the Minnesota Timberwolves? Obviously, Tyrese is out. Mathurin's out.
We got TJ McConnell and the boys battling on the road. Take it to the rack.

Speaker 1 TJ McConnell, Jenser. Ah,

Speaker 1 give me that. And then Obi Toppin just goes,

Speaker 1 second best shot of the year, maybe. Best shot of the year candidate from the corner, just like Tyrese.
Somebody in his face. Splash.
We win. You lose in overtime.
Don't look now.

Speaker 1 The Pacers are getting hot. Now, they got to get healthy.

Speaker 1 They certainly have to do that. But the Pacers have maybe a team of Destiny field with these shots falling for them at very, very key, important times.

Speaker 1 We cannot underestimate that whenever it's going forward. Knicks, Celtics, Cavs.

Speaker 3 You don't have to say the Knicks.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 6 No, you don't have to say it.

Speaker 1 So the East Celtics, Cavs, and Pacers? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Knicks are in third. Yeah, they're in third.
Safely in third. Okay, so I did my research.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 No, no, the standings, you're right, but the team, like, they don't have the best.

Speaker 14 Knicks just can't beat anybody good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, they got no quad one wins? Right us off. Write us off.
We already have one. We won't write back.
You already have.

Speaker 3 The good thing is, Carl Anthony Towns always delivers when the pressure's on the Bacchus.

Speaker 1 They just beat the Heat last night. They just beat the Heat last night.

Speaker 3 The Heat are 4-19 in their last 23. But the Pacers are playing their best ball at the most important time, so that is huge for them going into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I still believe in the Knicks, Bruce, just strictly because of the battle last year with the pacers that i paid very close attention to i got they got a lot of moxie over there i don't know if they're going to be able to survive that was kind of the conversation last year and now they're playing more minutes but i do like the moxie of that knicks team we'll be healthier this year but it is certainly a work in progress and have not beaten you know the celtics the cavaliers the thunder the warriors

Speaker 18 we have beaten the pacers i think we're two and one against the pacers okay y'all love that How many quad one wins we got?

Speaker 1 A couple. A bunch.

Speaker 1 Certainly. Cavs are the team, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Cavs and thunder are like head and shoulders above everybody in the regular season oh yeah i've seen okc's been on prime time the last couple a few times here in the last couple of days they're both already north of 50 wins they both already clinched the playoff berth i believe uh so it's them two like one seeds locked in home court and everything but we'll see and what did uh seam said uh about a week when was that two days ago three days ago he said about another week left for the bronze yeah he said that sunday yeah so that's a big deal the week for lebron because them obviously and luca's going crazy austin reeves going crazy.

Speaker 1 They got some exciting whites over there at the Los Angeles Lakers.

Speaker 3 Solving Connect.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is he back, obviously?

Speaker 1 He's back. He's been playing.
Because he was. The NBA is not.
Hey, I'll turn on a game.

Speaker 9 Yeah, if you find yourself, like, my kids love watching the Warriors, but they don't kick it off till 10 p.m. usually because it's out there.
But yeah, man, I enjoy watching them.

Speaker 9 I enjoy watching the Lakers. Whatever game is on, if you actually pay attention, it's like, oh, this is pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Butler, Colonel Stanley, his hair was sweet. I think they played last night on Brian.
Was it last night or two?

Speaker 14 Last night they were playing Russ triple-double.

Speaker 1 Russ is awesome to watch. He still doesn't really have a three-point shot, but he is kind of cool.

Speaker 1 They should let him. Nuggets didn't have anybody.

Speaker 14 Joker was out last night. Jamal Murray was out last night.
They still beat the league or the Warriors.

Speaker 1 Russ was running shit there for the time that I was watching the game. It was awesome to see.
I'm like, hell yeah. Russ loves it.

Speaker 9 He plays so hard, man. Russ plays so hard.
Like, I point to him like, hey, look, he may not make a bunch of outside shots, but this dude is moving all all game.

Speaker 1 People are trying to make him a villain there for a while. That dude just fucking loves balling.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the bug starts with March Madness. The basketball will continue to be great and then it'll roll right into the NBA playoff.

Speaker 1 Pacers win the NBA title. It's on me.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck. Just short.
All right. Another finals appearance.

Speaker 1 I guess that's the way it's going to go. Bonus ball.
Bonus ball. Bonus ball.
Bonus ball.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Turn left, ball.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 It feels like we got a little. What the fuck? Undulation?

Speaker 2 Yeah, some ondulation.

Speaker 1 What was that a little bit? I don't know. Do you see that thing? Speaking of undulation, the masters is happening, soon.

Speaker 1 Oh, buddy. Day after big night at the masters start.
And

Speaker 1 they put out a video this morning, and it is,

Speaker 1 hey, celebrating the history of the course.

Speaker 1 It's great video. Then all the magical moments are there and how pumped all the patrons get and how everybody is not allowed to have their phone out.
It's like,

Speaker 1 that's a thing that I hope just, and I think it will, obviously. But But I hope everybody continues to, you know, treat it as such.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I may have got to golf here before.
It's pretty wild. I mean, I suck at golf.
It would have been much more fun if I was better at golf.

Speaker 1 But I got a chance to see a lot of the shots that people fucked up on. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, in the pine trees here. Okay.
Hey, back in the woods here. Okay.
Hey, this is where, you know, Rory went with his drive.

Speaker 1 Now he was able to blah, blah, blah, you know, and I stayed in the woods for another two. Sure.

Speaker 1 But I'll tell you you what down there i do amen oh

Speaker 1 lived out a couple birdie buttons birdie you know you gotta you gotta really perform at the time but the place is beautiful there is a uh a sense of like uh greatness and tradition in the air in the

Speaker 1 the way that course is kept up uh new trees coming in and out overnight

Speaker 1 the greens being perfect the fairways perfect everything is just perfect it's like that place is cared for and I think the golf world really appreciates it. Can't wait to watch that.

Speaker 1 The players got me pretty excited. Did not like that it carried into Monday.

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 1 it was dope. You know, the rain delay kind of sucks, but that's Florida.
You know, it's going to rain in Florida. That's kind of how it works.
So it not finishing on Sunday, I think, was not great.

Speaker 1 I think it going into Monday morning kind of lost the sizzle. You know, almost,

Speaker 1 and I don't want to say this because I think soccer has an opportunity. Had a soccer feeling on Sunday.
Like, okay, the guy's tied. Now they're going to play Monday morning.
It's like, all right.

Speaker 2 And we all knew what was going to happen on Monday, but we still had to watch.

Speaker 1 Spawn even knew. Yeah, he did.
We did. Spawn even.
Rory McElroy said he watched a little

Speaker 1 Devil Wears Prada, ordered some room service and went to bed. He woke up 3 a.m., he said.
So he said he hadn't been nervous in that. Wow.
So Rory was

Speaker 1 a little nervous, he said, for that entire thing. I couldn't even imagine Spawn.
You know,

Speaker 1 Rory's been there, done that. Rory openly admitted, like, yeah, very nervous.
And I think Spawn saw that for the first time during the press conference. He was watching in the back.

Speaker 1 He was like, I thought it was going to be short. And that thing just kept floating.
He said, it's like that juiced up.

Speaker 1 Like you get juiced up in those moments, everything's a little bit different, especially when everything comes like how hard you hit something. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he said, He said in that when he was watching the press conference, he almost yelled, Go! Like, because he thought it was going to be so short.

Speaker 6 And like when the wind's like that, and you got a 10-foot area to hit, that tournament, yeah, it's finished, not finished on Sunday, was tough, but we're officially in it.

Speaker 6 We're in a good spot here as far as sports right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think off-season sports, we're all in. Oh, yeah, good for us.

Speaker 9 You guys know Coop is bashing dudes' faces in in Righteous Gemstones, the show. I heard he had a

Speaker 1 spectacular performance. I saw a lot of commercials for Righteous Gemstones.
Feels like they're really promoting this. Yeah.
Happy it's back. Shout out to Kenny Powers and squad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Cooper's in the first episode, right? Yep.

Speaker 9 Colonial Foot Soldier. I've seen some of it.
Yeah, man. He's ruthless.
He's doing great.

Speaker 1 Well, Cooper will do what you need him to do. Hell yeah.
That's why he's an artist. That's why he's an artist.
You know? You need him to give a speech, rally the boys right before the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 He'll do it. No problem.
Yep, no problem. No problem.

Speaker 1 You need him be in the suite talking to the owner when everything's looking a little sketchy? No problem. No problem.

Speaker 1 Need him in the post-Super Bowl party bringing the vibes. He'll do it.

Speaker 1 If you need a cheese steak,

Speaker 1 he'll cook it and fuck itself. That's right.
He's making it. That's Bradley Cooper.
I wonder how he's doing. I haven't talked to him a while.
I think he's very busy.

Speaker 9 Where does he get his bread from? I would imagine the bread is a huge part of that. Philly.

Speaker 1 He gets it from Philly. So like the place that he used to eat at, I don't know if it's Danny's or the place that he used to eat at in Philly, they were shipping him shit.
Remember what he said? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he would be cooking it himself. So then he made it a thing.
So it's probably considered a franchise or offshoot of that particular.

Speaker 1 I tried to do it with Rudy's there for a bit just because I wanted their Italian sub.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, how do I get you guys just to ship me the ingredients and then I'll cook it myself? And then once we, here's Bradley Cooper and Righteous James.

Speaker 6 He looks, yeah, he's fucked up. There is a company that does that for restaurants.

Speaker 1 Belly, something belly. That's what it is.
Golden Belly.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 that sounds right.

Speaker 1 Gold belly. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I've never used it, but.

Speaker 1 Great. My wife gets like hams from places and like New York this and like you can get some Texas this.
And it shows up with the, what's the cold ice?

Speaker 1 Dry ice. The dry ice.
It's like a whole thing. Yeah, it's a good, I think that's a good app.

Speaker 1 I think it's only for big thing situations, though. Makes sense.
Is Rudy's on goldbelly?

Speaker 1 Should be.

Speaker 1 Should be.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 Nick, why don't you call him and tell him to get on fucking gold Billy? Can you do that? They need to. They make a killing.

Speaker 1 Just in this office. Absolutely.
All right, let's get the hell out of here. What a day today.
The madness begins tonight, AJ. Who are you picking in these games? Let's do this.

Speaker 1 Let's do this.

Speaker 1 I'm picking Alabama State to beat St. Francis, and I'm picking

Speaker 1 San Diego State to beat UNC because basketball gods are going to do their thing. Okay.

Speaker 1 Who do you guys think?

Speaker 9 I will take Alabama State to win, and I will also take North Carolina.

Speaker 1 Okay, just we'll take favorites though. Chalk.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Let me guess.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow, you want American. Okay, you got it.
And we'll give you Xavier too.

Speaker 9 No, I'll take Mount St. Mary's and Xavier tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to take American University for sure, just strictly because I know what is that?

Speaker 1 I don't know what American University is, but it sounds like a place. They're good ball DC.
Very good this year. Okay, yeah, of course they are.
I'm just learning of them.

Speaker 1 Would like American University do well, especially now. We need them.
Okay. So I'm going to pick that.
I'll save my picture tomorrow. Sure.

Speaker 1 AJ said he's picking an underdog tomorrow, though. Maybe.
We don't know if that's true. Yeah.
Doubt it.

Speaker 9 I'll stick with him. Is that where Sister Jean is? She's Mount St.
Mary's? No.

Speaker 1 Loyola.

Speaker 14 Texas is live there tomorrow. Three and a half.

Speaker 1 What's the one where everybody's hammering? There's one where a lot of people feel good about it. I got a text from...

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'm on a list or something. I got a Stu Feiner text message, and

Speaker 1 he basically teased, let me see the wording that he sent.

Speaker 1 I haven't talked to Stu in years.

Speaker 14 So Colorado State is favored by two and a half, and they're a 12-seed against a five.

Speaker 1 Memphis is the five. There's a game on Friday that is Lineage Wager.
Hashtag be advised. Lineage.
That is a lineage wager is what I was just told. So

Speaker 1 hilarious text to get. I don't know if that's a tease.
Like, am I going to get, so am I getting a follow-up on Friday? Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 You probably pay for

Speaker 14 the follow-up. Colorado State Memphis is on Friday, so that might be it.
Everybody seems to be on Colorado State.

Speaker 9 We'll see what Seth just said. Penny's has the boys rolling, though.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I love that Memphis team. I don't understand how they're dogs against a 12 is a five-seed.

Speaker 1 Have you seen much of Colorado State?

Speaker 14 Not too much. No, watching.

Speaker 1 It's like you pull it in a box.

Speaker 14 I've watched a lot of Memphis, though.

Speaker 1 I like Memphis. You know,

Speaker 3 not supposed to understand this is March.

Speaker 1 This is March. It isn't

Speaker 14 anarchy.

Speaker 3 It's just. Okay, yep.

Speaker 1 College basketball.

Speaker 3 Yep, college basketball.

Speaker 1 Shout out to

Speaker 2 Johnny Rothstein.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, yes.

Speaker 1 What? You don't know Rothstein?

Speaker 3 No, I do. I do.
Now I get the saying.

Speaker 1 I didn't. It's not anarchy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just college basketball, yeah. This is March.

Speaker 1 This is March. Well, it's January, February.

Speaker 3 March.

Speaker 2 His wife said that he just walks around their place in New York just saying, this is March.

Speaker 1 This is March. This is March.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Rothstein's wife. So she'll just hear him saying to himself like in the bathroom, this is March.
This is March. This is March.
This is March.

Speaker 1 This is March.

Speaker 2 And she smacks him in the face and then he stops for a second. Yeah.
And then he'll do it again like an hour later. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Smack him in the face. Ty loves college ball.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 His entire gimmick is countdown to college ball. Correct.
And then in college ball, we're in college ball. He loves it.
He was on the show right before. He was, yep.

Speaker 1 There's a reason he's so into it. I forget what it is.
There's some coaching, maybe? That?

Speaker 1 I forget what it is.

Speaker 1 He's been obsessed with it for a long time, though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That and wrestling are really like his two things. Because remember, he just had like WrestleMania references from the movie he's in.

Speaker 14 Jurassic Park as well. Big Jurassic Park fan.
Really?

Speaker 1 You don't have time for a lot whenever Colonel Boss Ball is 24-7, but not the newest one. What is the newest one? World.

Speaker 3 Jurassic World, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That one was kind of shite, right?

Speaker 6 With the bugs, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes. New one coming out again, though.

Speaker 1 This one. Chris Pratton? What? No, he's not.

Speaker 2 No. Scarjoe.

Speaker 6 Scar Joe Hanson. Scarjo and Mahersha Ali, actually.

Speaker 1 The trailer was pretty soft. Is it Cicada's catching on fire? I doubt it.

Speaker 6 The script was so good that

Speaker 6 Chris Pratt said it's too good.

Speaker 1 No, it was Glenn Powell.

Speaker 1 Glenn Powell. Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 6 Script's too good. I don't want to ruin it.

Speaker 1 That's not

Speaker 1 exactly what he said.

Speaker 3 That's what he said.

Speaker 2 The script is so good. I can't see myself.
I can't see a role for myself in here.

Speaker 1 So, interesting. That's a hell of a way to turn down a role.
I love that that is something. I didn't know that happened, but maybe he just didn't think he fit in the movie.
Does that take me?

Speaker 9 No, maybe he hates it. Maybe he thinks it's god-awful.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. That's a hell of a way to turn something down there.
But also, maybe he thinks it's going to be so good, doesn't want this to be the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 Could be that. Sometimes actors, too, are just.

Speaker 9 Yeah, why would you want that?

Speaker 2 This just doesn't seem right for me. I don't want to do this.

Speaker 1 Some of these actors don't want to be just one character forever, bro. You're right.

Speaker 9 But I mean, they all want to get... part of a franchise that you can make multiple movies and that's when you get the huge money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess with Glenn Powell, he's supposed to be the next in Top Gun, right? Whenever it goes.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I guess you don't want to be typecast as that drastic part guy. I get it.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't mind being, you know, I think it'd be cool to be drastic.

Speaker 1 Turn would fucking love it. I mean, yeah.
Dr.

Speaker 6 Grant did it for years and years and years and Ellie Sadler and all of the culture.

Speaker 1 What's going on with the superheroes? We've got any of those coming out anytime soon? What happened to them? There was a little bit of a knot.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 9 What's super, I mean, what is a superhero movie? I haven't seen...

Speaker 9 I speak out of ignorance because I have not seen any of them.

Speaker 1 You definitely saw the Avengers thing. You definitely saw it.

Speaker 9 Which one of the Avengers?

Speaker 1 So that was the only one I watched. If you do recall, this is a few years back.
I knew none of the actual superheroes, but I watched the one where they all came together. That's the Avengers, right?

Speaker 1 Correct. Okay, Marvel Avengers, I believe, was the movie.
I had no idea the backstory of any of them. Okay, that was a little bit of a, that was an interesting thing.
I actually tweeted along.

Speaker 1 while I was watching it, complimenting some of these people. And obviously, I guess it was all very well-known shit, but I had quite an experience.
I mean, mean, it was a fantastic movie.

Speaker 9 I mean, oh, you enjoyed it. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, I loved it. I absolutely loved it.
Endgame. And then the next one, yeah, I was asked, remember this whole thing?

Speaker 1 I was told that I knew the spoilers, and I spoiled it. Because at the uh, I watched the Avengers, only thing I ever watched.
And then I was asked down at Super Bowl Radio Row how I think endgame goes.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, easy. This is an easy one to figure out.
In the Avengers, they were just trying to get the rocks. So you just get all the rocks and then you have all the power.
That is the game.

Speaker 1 And then old buddy

Speaker 1 gets all the rocks. Yes, gets the, does the thing.
Like that was the entire movie. And that just felt like a very easy fucking thing.

Speaker 1 I got these people attacking me. They were calling me a spoiler and saying that I ruined a movie and all this shit.
And I knew next to nothing about any of this shit.

Speaker 1 I'm just literally my thoughts after watching one movie. So I will say this.
Nick, super into the superheroes. I think, Ty, I think you do not get into it.

Speaker 2 I used to be. I couldn't give two shits about it now.

Speaker 1 But there are people that like love it. And after watching that Avengers movie, I understood.
I'm like, this is fucking the amount of money they spend on stuff. It was sweet.
Like I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 But I guess a lot of them have done poorly.

Speaker 7 Isn't that kind of the they replaced all the main original actors mostly pretty much because contracts run up and like you guys were talking about people just got kind of tired of playing the same role for years and years years.

Speaker 7 They made all their money. They did all these movies.
And so they tried to turn it over to like newer, younger, different actors that it has not hit in the same.

Speaker 1 So it's a next generation of all these superheroes that's kind of become the issue?

Speaker 7 Pretty much, yeah. There's a couple of them that like Chris Hemsworth still does some stuff from time to time and he's got some other play.

Speaker 1 He's great. He's the guy that plays Thor, but like...
Spider-Man.

Speaker 7 Even the last Thor movie didn't do well.

Speaker 7 I think everyone just got fatigued.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because there was a bunch of them there. Boom, bang.
Downey's back, though. Huh? Yeah.
Robert Downey Jr.'s back. As Iron Man? No, that's someone else broke.

Speaker 1 Who's the next Iron Man?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know if there will be. These used to be like events, though.
Like, it'd be like there was movie that was coming out a year, and now

Speaker 2 there's so much of it, and there's like a new series all the time. Like, I think they kind of just hit people over the head with it so much that people are like, fuck this.
Like, it's just too much.

Speaker 2 You can't keep up with all of it anymore.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I hope it comes back for you, Nick.
I do. I don't think it's going to.

Speaker 1 Whoa. That's all right.

Speaker 7 We had it. You know, we had a good run there.
All things must come to an end.

Speaker 1 You don't think it's ever coming back? Well, I think you also get to a point where it's like, I'm 35. I don't really give a shit about this stuff anymore.
You know?

Speaker 1 when i was 18 yeah it was pretty cool seeing iron man you know now it's like those storylines are great i don't give a about this crap this is for the superhero business okay okay

Speaker 3 yes nice

Speaker 1 a lot

Speaker 1 thank you that's huge we got an opportunity

Speaker 1 Even better at 37. All right.
Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
We're in this thing together. We'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, team on me. Great work thus far, boys.
We're off Thursday, Friday. Remember that.
So tomorrow is a Friday. Attitudes shall reflect that.
And we will launch into a March madness

Speaker 1 like you've never seen before.

Speaker 1 Team on three.

Speaker 1 One, two, three.

Speaker 1 Good night.

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