PMS 2.0 1311 - The Madness Continues, Daniel Jeremiah, John Calipari, Michael Lombardi, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this March Madness Eve Wednesday, March 19, 2025, this program starts now.

Speaker 1 Madness

Speaker 1 is on the horizon and boy, it has already happened. Last night, two play-in games in the first one that kicked off the entire March Madness, the entire NCAA tournament.

Speaker 1 Who's going to punch their ticket to be able to dance with everybody else? Well, it started with St. Francis in Alabama State, and it was electrifying.
Big shot after big shot, big defensive stand.

Speaker 1 There was a couple like can't dribble a basketball moments, but that is going to happen in college hoops. And inevitably, the game ended with a Hail Mary from Alabama State.
68-68. St.

Speaker 1 Francis ties it. You're going to win.
Ah-uh! Hail Mary, full of grace to take down a Catholic school.

Speaker 1 0.7 seconds left, 70-68 in the entire tournament started off with a bang it was a fun watch left go was in his bag last night it's going to be great to watch him from the tournament headquarters can't wait to see him navigate through all the different storylines and then north carolina the team that shouldn't have got in

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 you're talking quad won wins or not huh bubba cunningham their athletic director in that convening he's the head of the selection committee isn't that interesting You think he's got any say?

Speaker 1 Do you think they want to make him happy? Well, I wasn't in a room whenever it happened. Okay.
West Virginia gets screwed so bad their coach actually just gets poached to Indiana University.

Speaker 1 West Virginia's in a bad spot. Men's basketball, women's basketball, look out.
West Virginia women are about to go and win this. They're actually playing TBD.
That's how good they are. Wow.

Speaker 1 They don't even know who they're playing against. They don't even know who they're playing against.
You got to be good to not even know who you're playing against.

Speaker 1 That's a West Virginia women's basketball team. Men's basketball team screwed by the selection committee.
And then their coach leaves with their kid. Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 Now, Indiana obviously is a basketball haven, a place that is historically known for hoops. I mean this state loves basketball.

Speaker 1 Now that's why Kurt Signetti goes down there and wins in football and everybody that's an IU fan goes, we didn't even know this was possible.

Speaker 1 We're a basketball team. We're a basketball state.
We're a basketball school. We haven't gone anywhere really of importance in basketball in a while.

Speaker 1 This football team comes in and ignites a fan base that has been waiting to go crazy for sports. Now they bring in DeVries and I'm going to say this.

Speaker 1 He is maybe public enemy number one right now at West Virginia. Bubble Cunningham kind of got jot down a bit.
DeVries is now a public enemy number one. That's going to happen.

Speaker 1 This guy became the head coach of West Virginia less than a year ago. I met him at Rich Rod's press conference.
He was a cool dude. He was a good conversation.

Speaker 1 Thought he was going to do some special things with West Virginia.

Speaker 1 And obviously, him saying that it was going to take something special for him to leave Drake to go to West Virginia and his opening press conference and talk about building something special and all that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 And then leaving after one year, especially with what just happened by the NCAA

Speaker 1 to the West Virginia basketball team and how West Virginia people are feeling to begin with, not very well received in the state of West Virginia.

Speaker 1 You know, and Governor Morris, he's thinking about suing.

Speaker 1 You know, maybe Indiana for a little tampering because there was a Twitter account on March 12th, 2025, IU anonymous Twitter account that says IU has already got a deal done with their next coach.

Speaker 1 Media follow-up tweet, it's DeVries. Media follow-up, he's already in transfer portal.
Now, that could be

Speaker 1 all bullshit. That could be somebody just taking a shot in the dark.
But there were stories and agendas being pushed last night from the West Virginia people that are making this guy an enemy.

Speaker 1 Okay, this DeVries guy is an enemy in West Virginia. With that being said,

Speaker 1 this guy's a really good ball coach, which is why everybody in West Virginia is so bad. The West Virginia basketball situation has been a revolving door, you know?

Speaker 1 So to even be in a position to potentially get screwed in the biggest thub in the history of the tournament, I think West Virginia people are like, we're going in the right, hey, this is going in the right direction with the right guy.

Speaker 1 So the reason why they hate him so bad is because of how good of a coach this guy is.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, the more you think about it, especially with his boy coming down here, still his year eligibility. He didn't play a lot this year.

Speaker 1 Hold on. People are talking about that.
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 He's a player. That kid is a damn good player.
And you think about the way he coaches, the way he operates, the way he talks, it's like,

Speaker 1 I think Indiana fans are really going to like this guy. With that being, said,

Speaker 1 North Carolina shouldn't have got in.

Speaker 1 But everybody that was talking on the television on Selection Sunday said, North Carolina should not be in this tournament. After the bracket got released, they see who they're playing.

Speaker 1 They go, they are going to beat this other team, though, that is certainly in there. And they did.
I mean, they won by 27 last night.

Speaker 1 West Virginia would have won by 28, but North Carolina didn't make this thing close at any point.

Speaker 1 And I assume, and we talked about this earlier with Toxic Table at Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor, the San Diego State Aztecs basketball team was probably a bit frustrated, not only with this program, but a governor of of a state, how everybody was kind of talking about it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you assume the Aztecs are the team that's looking around, like, hey, do we have to do this right now?

Speaker 3 You know, maybe we wait until it's the elite eight or something for all the bitching and moaning for the UNC Tar Hills getting in because they're the ones that had to deal with it.

Speaker 3 They're the ones that had to deal with UNC not being able to miss a shot. And it's not like San Diego State stinks, you know, at all.

Speaker 3 You know, Seth's big thing yesterday was, hey, look out. San Diego State can play defense.
UNC put 95 on them. So can they play defense? Probably.
But unfortunately for San Diego State, you know,

Speaker 3 the entire country basically told UNC they still kept basketball. And UNC said, is that right? And we're going to go out and score 95 points, one of the nation's best defenses.

Speaker 3 And now, you know, personally, I'm going to have to go back. I typically write my brackets and pen.

Speaker 3 I don't with this UNC team. They're probably going to go to the Elite Eight final for shit.

Speaker 1 They might win the national championship. Who puts bigger for UNC? And obviously, obviously, we're part of that.

Speaker 1 We are.

Speaker 1 on us. It is 100% on us.

Speaker 1 With that, you know, notion there, they're a hungry team. They shot better than I've ever seen.
This North Carolina team might be a team that you don't want to dance with.

Speaker 1 So I wonder what the West Virginia team would have done.

Speaker 1 Because if you start talking about quad one wins, this North Carolina team, they didn't have any quad. What do we took quad, no quads?

Speaker 1 They had no barn, they had no land, they had no quad, they had no wheels, they had nothing. They didn't deserve to get in.
That's all they were told. Hey, you guys stink against good teams.

Speaker 1 Hey, in big games, you guys can't play. They're saying UNC shouldn't even be in the tournament all week.
That was basically being said.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they showed up. Got some dogs on that team, it does feel like they do.
Feel like they got some dogs.

Speaker 1 And a lot of us are going to ask, yeah, who be a lot of people are going to ask, like, hey, how come all year maybe? I was like, maybe they ignited something here and became the best self.

Speaker 1 And good luck, UNC. Shouldn't be in there, but good luck, UNC.

Speaker 1 What a show.

Speaker 1 What a show. That was over very early.
They were up 20 about six minutes into that thing. And it was like, okay,

Speaker 1 yeah, this seems like this is directed at somebody. And I don't know if it was AI or not, but I think in a locker room, they were

Speaker 1 okay letting people know, like, I'm not supposed to be here.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You got an angry team.
We'll talk, we'll show you the conversation we had with Coach Calipari of Arkansas. He tips off tomorrow night.
He will be joining us on this program.

Speaker 1 We talked to him earlier. It's like, you know, it's not about what you've done.
It's about who you are right now and who's hot, who's up, who's ready to go.

Speaker 1 And is it UNC because of the whole world doubting everything they're about? Potentially, good for them. One half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, AP Tone is here. I know through Boston Connor's gambling account, the Underdogs now 0-2

Speaker 1 to start March Madness after last night's affair.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Underdogs are 0-2. The Unders are also 0-2.
Obviously, North Carolina almost covered the over by themselves there. And then that just rapid stretch down the end in the St.

Speaker 2 Francis and Bama game, like that one was under until they didn't miss. Like the last two minutes and 30 seconds,

Speaker 2 there was a turnover, too, but they didn't miss. They were hitting step back threes.
So both games went over last night.

Speaker 2 Both underdogs did not win. And that is the story of the tournament so far as gambling is concerned.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because normally a little tight early, so not as many points. Maybe that'll be when the tournament actually starts.
Obviously, we have two more playing games today, I do believe.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to watch the boys get after it, especially after how last night's games went. I mean, this Alabama State St.
Francis game was awesome. Yeah.
Had no dog in the fight at all.

Speaker 1 But when you're watching, it's like, I like both these teams.

Speaker 1 Kind of the way they're playing, the way they were answering. And then obviously it ending with a Hail Mary is such a wonderful way to start.
Is that a sign of what this tournament's going to be like?

Speaker 1 Is that a sign of what this particular March Madness is going to be? Or is the North Carolina game?

Speaker 1 the sign of what this tournament's going to be because that was literally the two sides of the coin there.

Speaker 1 We have a thrilling electrifying hail merry actual uh winner and then we have a blowout from the beginning of the game and that's march magnus baby this is march that this this is march this is march this is march this is march it's not anarchy no it's coach college basketball this is my left go last night in his bag yeah it was his bag

Speaker 1 point right there he was in it he was dishing jalen coach right who's the right there oh god i watched it I do not remember who it was. Coach, I think it's an old coach, maybe.
It's an old coach.

Speaker 1 I just forget his name. He's to the right.
He had a lot of thoughts. Jalen on there was fresh hair, always.
Looks great. Jalen's always going to have fresh cut.

Speaker 1 And then Coach Wright down there, they showed the replay of the Hail Mary, and Jalen's like, oh, screaming. And Jay Wright's just like looking down at the screen here.

Speaker 1 And then they showcased whenever his team, I guess, if Illanova hit a game winner and he just was on for the national championship.

Speaker 1 and he just didn't even just like kind of kept it cool or whatever. And Jay Wright said, I was looking at the clock to see how much time was left.
It's like always coaching.

Speaker 1 And these guys got a tough task. A lot of teams, a lot of stories, a lot of players, a lot of conspiracies.

Speaker 1 So good luck keeping it all on track, boys. And we also need to learn about all these guys, too.
So if a little piece of information drops out of the mouth too, that's obviously very welcomed.

Speaker 1 They'll obviously pull it.

Speaker 2 Seth Davis was the other one on the stack.

Speaker 1 I know Seth Davis hoops on the internet. That's him.
Yeah, correct. Okay, okay.
I should have have known that. That's on me.
Great show. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I was watching it last night throughout it all, kicking off a wonderful time in the sports calendar, March Madness.

Speaker 1 We'll be off tomorrow and Friday because we'll be watching the games, just like you will be. That's what we've learned in the past.

Speaker 1 We are

Speaker 1 screaming in an empty room when we are doing the show during March Madness.

Speaker 1 People are either watching the games and our voices in the background, or we're doing a show about something that isn't college basketball, and all we're doing is watching the games right here.

Speaker 1 So just for the good of all parties involved, there is something to watch tomorrow during the afternoon, and it'll be electrifying. And let's learn about some of these teams maybe.

Speaker 1 You know, like American University tonight needs you to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Need American to go on a run.

Speaker 1 2025. We need that to have.
They will. Xavier, Texas.

Speaker 1 It's like hard for me to just believe Texas is just going to let that one be an easy yacht, you know, especially in the big moment, in the prime time. Is Xavier ready for it? We shall see.

Speaker 1 And we're excited for March Madness. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.
We'll be watching the game tomorrow at a pretty sick place. Oh, yeah.
I think it should be good.

Speaker 1 Great time. I think it should be good.
We're going to enjoy the beginning of March Madness, just like everybody else is. And remember, you don't have to work.
It's March Madness.

Speaker 1 Well said. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from a completely different world is the NFL.

Speaker 1 He's known as the Combine and Draft Guy because he watches film of every single human that plays college football. He's moved the stitch.
He's currently down in Dallas for the Big 12 Pro Day.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel jeremiah

Speaker 1 how are you bud what's up boys you want to see what we got here sure hold on yeah sure

Speaker 1 jerry world

Speaker 1 what's going on there

Speaker 1 yeah we got uh we got big 12 pro day like you mentioned so we're going to be on here three hours on nfl network so we'll have uh all of that covered for you here so it'll be fun i believe that starts in about 18 minutes or so or maybe even longer we appreciate you taking time is this something uh the players that weren't invited to the combine now basically have a big 12 combine

Speaker 6 So, yeah, just like it's this traditional pro day where we used to go out to all the schools and the guys that were at the combine have their choice whether they want to work out or not.

Speaker 6 And then the guys who didn't get a chance to work out get their chance. So instead of going to Waco to Baylor and going to Fort Worth to TCU and West Virginia, everywhere else, they just

Speaker 6 all combine here at the star here in Frisco. So it's a good chance for scouts to do everything all at once.

Speaker 1 West Virginia doesn't have a pro day?

Speaker 6 No, none of these guys do. It's

Speaker 6 part of of the deal is this with the Big 12, they wanted to make it one big event. So we've got three hours of coverage of this thing for two days.

Speaker 6 By the way, who's coaching your basketball team, Pat?

Speaker 1 Oh, geez. Shut up, DJ.

Speaker 1 Okay?

Speaker 1 I don't need to hear that right now. And you know, you know that that UNC team who won by 27 last night did not deserve to be.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about some ball, shall we? You just put out your third mock draft, I do believe, 3.0. And it seems like you and everybody else that's mock drafting have the first four the exact same.

Speaker 1 Is that because you're all getting information? You're all seeing the board the same way. Why do you think the front or the beginning of this draft has kind of settled in, seemingly?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't know. I don't think there is, you know, broad consensus right now.
I think probably more of a coincidence that we end up having them where we have them at this point in time.

Speaker 6 So I just Cam Ward going number one is something when you're talking to people around the league that that just has become more of the expectation. I do feel good about that.

Speaker 6 You know, whether that's Tennessee or whether that's, you know, two or three trying to move up to that first spot, but that's the one that I feel the most confident.

Speaker 6 After that, I still think it's, you know, it's pretty up in the air.

Speaker 6 With Cleveland, I just was going through the different conversations that you would have inside the draft room, and I was thinking, you know, look, I've been in those where you say, okay, would you rather have Shadur Sanders at two?

Speaker 6 two and maybe like Nick Scorton, an edge rusher from A ⁇ M in the second round, or would you rather take Abdul Carter and then maybe one of those next tier of quarterbacks in the second round?

Speaker 6 And I thought, man, the allure of Abdul Carter, what I think of him, as you know,

Speaker 6 I think he's the best player in the draft.

Speaker 6 And then to come back with whether that's Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, your guy, Will Howard, whoever you, you know, you like in that second tier, that could be an option.

Speaker 6 I mean, I do think the Browns and the Giants leave the second round with a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether they take him at the top of one or whether they take him in round number two.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk about the Browns a little bit.

Speaker 1 I I think Tone read yesterday, it might have been in your mock-up or somebody else's, the thought of pairing Abdul Carter and Miles Garrett together on that defensive side is certainly a winning recipe for defense.

Speaker 1 You know, if you can get to the quarterback, disrupt the quarterback, and take over games on the defensive side, obviously you can win.

Speaker 1 Now, if they're able to get a young quarterback as well, somebody that they like, that they think they can win, it's like, look at the Cleveland Browns trying to balance and battle while still having to do the entire Deshaun Watson contract.

Speaker 1 Maybe they'll be able to pull it off. Okay, so we got Abdul Carter potentially teaming up with Miles Garrett.
Good luck, AFC North, offensive lineman and quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Now, let's move to a couple of the other picks because we know you don't have a lot of time. Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, DJ, Travis Hunter at four, obviously, as a Patriots fan, that's exactly what I'm hoping for, especially with how free agency has gone for New England when it comes to weapons.

Speaker 3 But one of the things with Travis Hunter, a lot of people have been talking about is, hey, he can play corner and then maybe come in for the red zone, get a few snaps at wide wide receiver.

Speaker 3 I was kind of hypothesizing that, you know, maybe he's a full-time wide receiver number one and then comes in on the red zone on defense, kind of locks one guy up.

Speaker 3 Is that something teams are talking about and making him wide receiver one and then using him on defense in, you know, a couple man packages?

Speaker 3 And also, do you see him to New England like, can I buy the jersey tomorrow?

Speaker 1 What do you think?

Speaker 6 Well, if he does get there, I don't think he gets by your guy. So that was, you know, I think if you're a Patriot fan, you're hoping these two quarterbacks go before you pick.

Speaker 6 And then you're either going to get one of those guys, you're going to get Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, elite, elite players.

Speaker 6 I think with Travis, it's the unique part about him, the special part is it's different for different teams of how you'd use him.

Speaker 6 I do think it's easier to major in defense and minor in offense, but looking where the Patriots are at corner and where they are at receiver right now, if he were to go to that specific team, I think I would say, look, you're full-time offense, and we'll find some spots for you, whether it's some third downs,

Speaker 1 you know different packages and and we'll sprinkle you in on defense but i don't know how you look at drake may and say you know this guy that we got who's better than anybody else at the position on our team we're only going to use him part-time i don't think that would make sense yeah and if you're a special talent at catching the ball which he is and getting open which he is and understanding football which he is you know it's a good weapon to have on the outside but to your point about sprinkling him in on defense this has been connor's kind of pitch here because you got him gonzo and carlton davis that they just gave

Speaker 1 and Carlton Davis. So, if you got red zone or third down, you can kind of

Speaker 1 hope clamp three people. And then, with the running world that we're in right now, that is a and Vrabo understands this more than maybe anybody because of the way he was used in New England of it all.

Speaker 1 It's like, I like that play a lot, especially with Gonzo and Carlton Davis.

Speaker 3 Like, you assume because of how good Travis Hunter is at catching the ball, you can kind of try and make teams throw it his way. Like, you can just leave Gonzo on his own.

Speaker 3 You can double whoever Carlton Davis is on. And it's like, okay, try and throw it on Travis Hunter.
And if he's as good as he is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe he's not that good. Maybe that's why.
Exactly. Yeah, maybe

Speaker 1 he ends up with, you know, five, six picks in the red zone this year. Okay, let's move away from this.
Todd has a question for you, DJ.

Speaker 4 Yeah, DJ, I know that you have Jackson Dart going 21 to the Steelers, but a lot of other mocks and draft analysts have had him really rising up boards and going in like the top 10, top 15.

Speaker 4 Do you think that's going to be something that we kind of see as we get closer to the draft? What are the odds that Jackson Dart actually goes at like the top half of the first round?

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 I think it's up in the air.

Speaker 6 I don't think anybody knows, but it is interesting this late in the free agency process that you have a couple teams out there with glaring needs at the quarterback position.

Speaker 6 So Pittsburgh, at this point in time, if they don't get Aaron Rodgers,

Speaker 6 I think they got to do a lot of homework on these guys, whether that's Dart, Tyler Shuck, whoever.

Speaker 6 But I just can't see them going into the season with just Mason Rudolph as their guy.

Speaker 6 To me, that's why I ended up putting Dart there, assuming that Aaron Rodgers doesn't end up in Pittsburgh. And even if he does, I mean, I don't know how many years that's going to buy you.

Speaker 6 If you love one of these quarterbacks, go ahead and take him anyways. But I don't have him as a top 10 player.
I think he's

Speaker 6 in the 30s or early 40s on my top 50 list. But when you're a team out there and he's better than what you got, he's going to go.

Speaker 1 He's got the Moxie, too, I think.

Speaker 1 The more we watch of Jackson, the more highlights we watch, the more we like him, I think, as an NFL QB.

Speaker 6 It reminds me of Hurts, man. That's my comparison, which is kind of off the wall.
It's kind of weird. But with Jalen Hurts, he got better every single year in college.
He was athletic. He was smart.

Speaker 6 He was tough. And you're kind of just betting that it's all going to continue on that trend line.
And obviously, Hurts, it's gone that way in a big way.

Speaker 6 But that's kind of the, you know, that's the thought process. If you're a Jackson Dart team, that's what you're hoping for.

Speaker 1 Good luck to all parties, including Jackson Dart. Do all these schools still have their pro days left? Like Jackson still has his pro day.
And is pro day season starting today?

Speaker 6 Yeah, Alabama's today. I heard Milro's going to run, too, so I'm curious to see because he looks fast as heck when you're watching them play.
So I'm wondering if he gets under 4-4.

Speaker 6 That wouldn't shock me.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Milro running 4-3 something would be bananas at dinner with him.

Speaker 6 By the way, the Cowboys do it right, man. The coffee even get the

Speaker 6 they brand everything around here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the building is very nice, too.

Speaker 1 I know it's been built now a little bit long ago, but the upkeep in the professionalism, obviously, that booth is the best booth in every stadium that there exists.

Speaker 6 Well, this is, but this is like the star, so this isn't like their main stadium. This is just that other smaller stadium where they play high school games in here, uh, all kinds of different events.

Speaker 6 So, maybe, I'm guessing maybe 10, maybe eight to ten thousand seat little place here. You want more shot at it here?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought that was actually Jerry World. You're saying that's a that's a

Speaker 1 that's a mock Jerry World. What the heck? It's still Jerry World.
It's a little baby,

Speaker 6 It's a little

Speaker 1 baby Jerry World. Stevens World.

Speaker 1 Is that where they practice?

Speaker 6 I don't know that. I don't know if they do practice.
It's right,

Speaker 6 it's in Frisco, so it's not near the stadium. It's in a total different area of town.

Speaker 6 The business. Yeah, it might.
Maybe this. You know what? I bet you this is where they practice.
When they did hard knocks here that year, they were in here. Yeah, I'm getting a thumbs up.

Speaker 6 Rhett Lewis gave me the thumbs up in the back that they do.

Speaker 1 Oh, Rhett. You tell Rhett old Indiana is getting a good ball coach.
A good basketball coach.

Speaker 6 He says you're getting a good basketball coach at IU.

Speaker 1 Shut up, Rhett.

Speaker 1 I like IU people. I married into an IU family.
This is an interesting situation. Hey, Rhett, you tampered, allegedly.
Okay, I don't like that at all.

Speaker 6 A lot of tampering charges, Rhett. A lot of tampering charges.

Speaker 1 Allegedly, please

Speaker 6 make sure you say allegedly. Yeah, allegedly, allegedly.

Speaker 1 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 That is very important.

Speaker 6 Before, I'm not trying to get you in any hot water.

Speaker 1 We'll see. On this particular program, it seems like it happens more often than not.
Tone Diggs has a question for you here, DJ.

Speaker 2 Yeah, DJ, we're looking at your mock yesterday, and we were talking about offensive linemen, and we saw Will Campbell, you know, in yours and a couple others potentially falling 210 or out of the top 10, and you have Membu going seven.

Speaker 2 But just four O-linemen total, I believe, in the first round. There was eight last year, four in the top 14 last year.
Is it just a,

Speaker 2 we were speculating, is it just a down year for offensive linemen, or is it just that the other positions are, that there's more talent at other positions too this year?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I would say it's a little bit of a down year,

Speaker 6 but there are some names that just missed towards the bottom of that mock draft.

Speaker 6 We could easily see a couple more guys pop in there. So

Speaker 6 I wouldn't say that it's going to be a firm number where we are there. I could see a couple more guys, but no, in terms of the high end,

Speaker 6 no, it's not where it's been in years past. And with Membu and

Speaker 6 Will Campbell, I think

Speaker 6 that's going to be split. You're going to have half teams have one guy, half have the other.

Speaker 6 But it's hard to get out of your mind what you saw with Membu, watching him run and move around at that size, how young he is.

Speaker 6 And someone, you know, if you're the Jets and need a right tackle, like that's what he is. He's plug and play.

Speaker 6 You know, coming off of a regime that came over with Aaron Glenn from Detroit, taking a right tackle on Penday Sewell and off to the races they went there. So that one made a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, offensive linemen, that's why they're potentially why so many offensive linemen paid, you know, guys we never heard of, because they potentially don't get to the market. Bingo.

Speaker 1 And also draft class. You you know, that kind of all goes hand in hand with free agency and draft class.
You know, what do you need? What is available? Who, and where is it available at?

Speaker 1 Jalen Milro just ran his 40.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the next round at Next Round Live here in Alabama. He looks absolutely jocked from a couple of the videos that I watched.
I eyeballed it. I don't know if we're anywhere near a 4-3.
Oh,

Speaker 6 you're going to be taking the over.

Speaker 1 Anywhere near is obviously

Speaker 1 4-4.

Speaker 1 4-4-3 is a 4-5. Yeah, 4-5 to a 4-3 is obviously in personal.

Speaker 6 I'll text you within the next 15 minutes and get you time from somebody there.

Speaker 1 He is so jacked.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Here's a second 40 here from the side. Go back so we can give the credit to the people that tweeted it.
This is from Henry Sklar.

Speaker 1 He looks like a tight end. Yes.

Speaker 6 He's grounding it out. He's covering ground, though.
He's covering ground, Pat.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what is your guess there on watching that, eyeballing that?

Speaker 6 Eyeballing it on grainy Wi-Fi that I'm on. I'm going to go with

Speaker 6 49, 449.

Speaker 1 I think that's probably a pretty good.

Speaker 6 I have no idea. Literally, my Wi-Fi is just like.

Speaker 1 Well, us too. Yeah, it's kind of, it's a world we're in right now.
I think

Speaker 1 in my head, it's like that looks like a 4-5. In my head, it looks like a 4-4.
But there's no way Jalen Milro's running a 4-5. You know? So, like, what you said there is probably the right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 4-4-8-4-4-9. He's into 4-4s because he's Jalen Milro, in my mind and where i've seen him on the field but it didn't look like that was a four

Speaker 1 three

Speaker 1 anything four four one you know four four flat right there take the and we sound like assholes

Speaker 6 because that is very fast nonetheless uh any other storylines we need to be talking about dj anything you're hot on i'm i'm anxious to see what happens with the receivers man and how they come off the board i think there's a lot of discrepancy you know talking to people around the league of how they have these guys stacked i'm a i'm a matthew golden fan um you know him running 429 didn't hurt from that standpoint.

Speaker 6 I think Abuka is going to run faster than people think it is pro-day.

Speaker 6 McMillan had his pro day the other day and times, you know, everybody I talked to, 4-5-3, 4-5-6

Speaker 6 in that range. So I'm curious to see how those guys end up coming off the board when it's all said and done.

Speaker 2 Yeah, DJ, I didn't, because I heard you and Bucky talking about Tech McMillan and would he run. Is that 4-5-3? Is that like, do you think that'll hurt him?

Speaker 2 Or people watch the tape and they're like, okay, that's cool. We can take him where we thought we would?

Speaker 6 I think it it was a little bit better than what the expectation was. So from that standpoint, it's a positive.

Speaker 6 But I always tell people that, you know, saying where these guys are going to get picked is not the same as saying what type of career they're going to have.

Speaker 6 But historically, you know, guys that run in the 4.5s, I think the last receiver to run over a 4.5 and be picked in the top 15 was Mike Evans in 2014.

Speaker 6 So, you know,

Speaker 1 it's just that you have no question.

Speaker 6 But it's been a while, and historically, teams don't take guys

Speaker 6 that high in the draft that don't have the supporting time.

Speaker 6 So it's getting different as the longer you do this and the more GPS is involved, and everybody has all their play speed, you know, in-game numbers.

Speaker 6 That I think will start to change. But that's the recent history that we have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and obviously, those comps are certainly a necessity to deciding whether or not somebody's going to have success or not. Let's go back to Jalen Millrose's 40s.

Speaker 1 The first one, SEC Network was saying it was in between 4.5 to 4.52.

Speaker 1 And then his second run was 444 between 444 and 446 so he ran like uh i think if you average those out pads probably with the time that i gave you i mean i don't

Speaker 1 have a great day

Speaker 1 pat it's not a hobby buddy have a have a great day down there at uh the baby star and make sure you give these big 12 guys love i don't love that we don't have individual pro days wow crazy how long has this been happening oh wait is shadur and travis working out there uh they're here we're gonna have them in the booth tomorrow i think we're gonna have shadur and travis in the booth tomorrow uh coach prime's gonna be here so we'll visit with him

Speaker 1 Because I just assumed Shadur was going to do a pro day where it was going to be. Yeah,

Speaker 6 he's not going to be working out here, but tune in for the interview if you do meet.

Speaker 1 Can't wait for your questions, man.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, move the sticks, host of the Big 12 Pro Day on NFL Network and the Combine, Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 No offense to this particular conference, but that's some Mac shit. Yeah, it is.
Legit. For sure.
Not having your own pro day.

Speaker 3 At least people will watch tomorrow. It's like one o'clock, nothing's really going on.

Speaker 3 It's perfect for a pro day.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it is a good time to schedule it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What is the deal? That's why people care. It's just different in the Big 12, baby.

Speaker 1 I understand that, like, the ability to get everybody in front of scouts is a good play for the entire conference, you know?

Speaker 1 But it does sound Mickey Mouse that scouts won't travel to your school to come watch you do your thing at your thing. Like, how are these, you know.

Speaker 1 All these workouts we see that are choreographed out of these pro days are all happening at their school because like that is their place with their people and and everything, like that.

Speaker 1 So, West Virginia said, we don't need that. Big 12 said, you guys don't need any comfort any of these things.
You need to go do it with everybody else.

Speaker 1 Just like at the Combine, where you didn't know any of these people, you're doing it again. It's like, what is the, I don't love that.
Alabama football said it was 4-3-7.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I love it.

Speaker 1 Okay. I like that too.
Okay, congrats. That had to be the second one.
And congratulations to Jalen Millro running into four threes.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. We had anywhere from 444 to 446 to 437.
And then the first one was, I think he maybe didn't hit it as clean. So 4-3-7, Alabama was saying.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Which, once again, if you watched him play football, would make sense. No doubt.
It would be like, okay, yeah. If they would have said this was 4-3-2

Speaker 1 before we watched either of those 40s, we'd have been like, Yep. Yep.

Speaker 1 That is Jalen Milro. Because when he's on a field, he is faster than everybody.

Speaker 1 That is just how it goes, which is why, you know, the quarterback conversation is an interesting one, because with the ball in his hands, when he's running, he is very strong, he is very elusive, and he's faster than everybody on the field.

Speaker 1 So it's like, how can we get the ball in this guy's hands, you know, while he tries to develop his quarterback, if that's what they're thinking?

Speaker 1 And I don't like having this combo, especially because people are saying around Lamar Jackson, not us, but people were saying that about Lamar.

Speaker 1 And what Lamar has become is top passer, one of the top passers in the entire NFL. So it's like, I would never, but there's not a lot of Lamars out there.

Speaker 1 You know, like Lamar is a incredibly talented, one-of-one type athlete and player. So it's like, what does Jalen Milro want to do? Does Jalen Milro only want to play quarterback?

Speaker 1 Does Jalen Milro want to potentially explore other options to get on the field while also developing as quarterback like Taysom Hill did?

Speaker 1 You know, like there is, there's a lot of opportunities, I think, for a guy that's this athletic.

Speaker 1 Because just saying he's not going to be an NFL guy because he's not an NFL quarterback at this moment, I think kind of undercuts the thing that this is an NFL athlete.

Speaker 1 Like, this guy is an NFL football player. Like, no questions asked.
He's an NFL football player.

Speaker 1 So, it's like, what ends up happening with Jalen Millro will be a funny, a fun story to kind of follow along with.

Speaker 4 Well, and if he goes somewhere where he doesn't have to start right away, like, Lamar has gotten better every year he's been in the NFL.

Speaker 4 So, you know, I mean, if he has the opportunity to sit behind someone and he just has a couple packages, like you said, like, this is a guy who could rush for a 70-yard touchdown at any point in a game.

Speaker 4 So, it's like, it's not like you're asking him to go out there and throw it 30 times to beat a team if he gets the opportunity and he continues to get better like that

Speaker 1 a couple packages yeah packages packages and those packages you know they start having success

Speaker 1 we just keep that package yeah exactly you just keep that package in here

Speaker 1 i'm happy that jalen milro ran fast there yeah that first one did not look fast the first video that we saw like he was jogging at the end yeah and at the end he was just kind of cruising it's like if that's jalen milro running at his full speed that's even more dangerous that he's just cruising Like, it was just no problem.

Speaker 1 Second one, I guess, much faster. 437 is what Alabama's saying.
Shout out to them. It's all.

Speaker 1 Maybe they have the laser, though. Maybe they're the ones that are like, you guys are all wrong.
Maybe that is different thumbs.

Speaker 1 But a lot of those guys that are on the 40, they've been doing that for like 50 years.

Speaker 1 The guy that was at the specialist combine, he's literally been doing hang time for kickers and punters for, I think, 40 years.

Speaker 3 Legent.

Speaker 1 At the combine. Still got it, by the way.
Oh, yeah. Still got it.
The thumb's important. Who's on the clock's important? Alabama's saying 4-3-7.

Speaker 1 And if you watch him play football, you'd say, yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 Did you see who he had dinner with last night?

Speaker 1 He was meeting with the Steelers. Coach Tomble.
You got Mason Rudolph over there.

Speaker 2 Do have Mace.

Speaker 3 Okay. Rodgers ain't going to like that.

Speaker 1 I know that.

Speaker 3 First Cam Hayward, another meeting with quarterbacks?

Speaker 1 Uh-uh. I don't think so.
Okay, we don't know if any of that's real. Could be.
What we did hear this morning was.

Speaker 1 The Minnesota Vikings will not be pursuing Aaron Rodgers. That's kind of been, I think, what is being being understood as the holdup in this entire combo is maybe Aaron once again.

Speaker 1 We have heard nothing from Aaron. Yes.
Okay. Is Aaron still want to play? We have no idea.

Speaker 1 We assume by now he would know if he wanted to play, you would assume, but that's a massive decision for somebody that's committed his entire, he's 40 plus years old.

Speaker 1 He's committed his whole life to football.

Speaker 1 I mean, this would be the last, like, that's a massive decision to have to make, especially for the last team you're going to play for, if that is what he's contemplating.

Speaker 1 And then as it continued to roll out, it was like Aaron is literally uh trying to see out what all the options are like are the minnesota vikings an option and if they are an option does that change the conversation at all he said he's open to anything attached to nothing or open to everything attached to nothing it seems like from what tom pellisero is saying is the picture is getting a little bit clearer now cam hayward said you either want base theory or you don't dude and it's like Cam, have you talked to,

Speaker 1 do we know if that's what Aaron's thinking? But the way it's been reported by the insiders who want the deets, they want the news. They want to break break it.
They want to do that whole thing.

Speaker 1 They want to put a notch on the scoreboard, which that's their business, literally, and do what you got to do. But Aaron hasn't said shit.
Like he has not said anything.

Speaker 1 And then Schefter said people close to him

Speaker 1 are saying he's like, nobody close to Aaron really says any. And if they do say it, there's a chance Aaron does the complete opposite.

Speaker 1 because something got it and the person that leaked that is gone forever. Like there's not a lot of people that are in the Aaron circle that have any idea what has happened.

Speaker 1 And we only know that because we've been on this ride for the past five, six years, you know, and we have no fucking idea. So, like, AJ, I don't even think knows, you know?

Speaker 1 So this is, it's all very interesting with Aaron. Always is, always has been.
But allegedly, seemingly, Tom Pellisero is reporting that the Vikings are at on the pursuit of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 So maybe the picture does come into a little bit more focus for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we were, we were always talking not from knowledge, but just guessing kind of what Aaron would do. And that's always a dangerous game.

Speaker 2 But this feels like, you know, not another teen movie where, you know, the Vikings were to belled a ball, and that's where he wanted to go.

Speaker 2 And the Steels are this girl just sitting back who always wanted him, who always loved him, were sitting in the back of the class.

Speaker 1 Didn't always.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was like a day or two, and then all of a sudden, we ain't got time for that.

Speaker 2 Yensers, we just get very disrespected very quickly. Oh, feel disrespected very quickly.
Amen. Kind of in our blood.
And Cam was born and raised in Pittsburgh. His dad was a Pitts star.
Iron Head.

Speaker 2 Shout out Iron Head. So, and then Cam's lived there for 15 years.
So he's kind of got that Yenser blood in him. And I think that's where he was speaking from.

Speaker 2 But no, I still think Aaron gives the Steelers the best chance to win.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he wants to go to the Steelers or the Giants, or, you know, he'll just walk off into that sweet, beautiful California sunset.

Speaker 1 Honestly, the retirement thing

Speaker 4 has kind of starting to feel more like a possibility.

Speaker 1 A potential, yeah. And that's just, once again, we have not talked to him.
This is us just following all the other stories with him saying nothing.

Speaker 1 It has just been nothing said from him or his team and all these other teams putting out shit. We want an answer.

Speaker 1 And there is a chance with these insiders that the teams are like, can you apply some public pressure here that we want an answer sooner than later?

Speaker 1 Because obviously that does help everybody to know what's happening with their roster. So it does feel like, what if he does love those walks on the beach at sunset? True.

Speaker 1 What if he loves that towel draped around him? What if he loves the feeling of the water coming to his toes?

Speaker 1 What if he loves the ability to just hop on his plane because he's the highest paid player in the history of the league and just go on a trip somewhere and disappear for two months?

Speaker 1 Never been able to do that in the fall. I heard there's whole different excursions of life in the fall.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, there's a chance that that, you know, especially with the moons and the holidays.

Speaker 3 He might climb ever since September. That might be the best month for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's so

Speaker 1 back to Tone's point. A lot of people have been trying to put themselves into Aaron Rodgers' shoes and trying to think for Aaron.

Speaker 1 That's just not possible. That's a fool's task.
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 I don't think that is possible. This is a very different individual than anybody you've ever met before.
And

Speaker 1 all the greats are different. Like that is just how they're different than normal humans.
They are different than everybody else. That is why they become who they become.

Speaker 1 And it's like this guy, if you talk to any player that has played or coach that's coached against him and been like, certified, brother.

Speaker 1 This is one of the ones, which is why this happens around the nfl every time aaron does anything now the media and the fans they have their thoughts and narratives about him and you know some half-truths potentially are released that fuel those narratives for people and people feel the way they feel and he is certainly an anomaly and we there's a lot of things he does that we go holy did not know humans operate in that fashion like that is a legitimate thing but that's who he is and i think that's part of the reason why he's so damn great you know he gets mocked and ridiculed a lot and i I bring this up because I think it's very important.

Speaker 1 He gets mocked and ridiculed a lot about the family, the family, the family, the family, the family.

Speaker 1 It's like, I think he's pushed all that shit away so that he could just be like this guy, old school football player. Like that is old school.
Hippie, for sure.

Speaker 1 Brilliant, too. Like if you, I mean, he went to Cal and the celebrity Jeopardy thing he did.
Exactly. He could have mopped the floor with Mr.
Wonderful. And Mr.
Wonderful, J.

Speaker 1 So happened to be the one talking shit to the stupid

Speaker 1 football player. You know, the stupid jock.
I think you put anybody in those, in the celebrity realm. Now, I think Ken and the other guy that...
Brad Rudder.

Speaker 1 And the guy that doubled down on everything that we looked at. Oh, Jimmy Holzhauer.
Jimmy Holzhauer. You put like the super duper trivia people in there.

Speaker 1 I think Aaron's probably in trouble because those people have treated trivia like he has treated football. But people don't want to give him credit for how intelligent he is.

Speaker 1 And I would assume with everything we're learning now, via New York Times articles and other things, he is feeling very empowered about his brain and his decisions and his ideas and opinions versus everybody else.

Speaker 1 So, you know, he's definitely an oddity, I will say, because

Speaker 1 there's nobody and nothing like him in any sport. But there's a reason the teams want him, and it's because he's a guy certified.
And

Speaker 1 if he was to just step away at this moment, in my, it's like, maybe, maybe, even after years now of me saying, there's no way this guy's retired.

Speaker 1 This is his whole life, literally his entire, he goes and takes a trip, he comes back, guess what? It's ball. He does this.

Speaker 1 It's ball, ball, ball, competing, having a purpose, having fulfillment, having a reason, like, and everything like that. Now, granted, can he find all those things elsewhere?

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm sure Aaron probably could,

Speaker 1 but he loves spending it. You can tell that at the end of the year, he got his ass kicked last year.
Not only was it the Achilles recovery, remember, he was in London. He got anti-ant.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And his knee and his ankle, I think. And he jogs right back on the field.
Doesn't miss a fucking play, I don't think. Just goes right back out there at the age of 40.

Speaker 1 It's like, I don't, I'm intrigued by it now. Now I'm interested.
Like, what is this guy going to do? I have no idea.

Speaker 3 Well, especially because sure, it did probably stink at the end of last year and just last year in general because they stunk. But he got to play with, you know, some of his closest guys.

Speaker 3 Lazard, obviously, but Devontae, he got to do that entire thing again, and he wanted to play with Devontae, obviously.

Speaker 3 It goes all the way back to the summer of them walking together and him being like, you know, we'll play together soon, or something like that, when someone yelled that at him.

Speaker 3 And it would now make more sense, especially with, you know pittsburgh's situation that maybe he doesn't want to go there anymore you know california and pittsburgh a little different you know they're not exactly the same towns uh and you can't imagine that maybe not you know dealing with anything you know the paparazzi and things of that nature you wonder if he thinks you know if i wasn't playing football are they just taking pictures of me outside of my beach definitely when he's going around and you know walking his rocks yeah buying his rocks exactly getting them off all those things but who knows if he actually will play?

Speaker 1 Okay, so next hour we have AJ on. Hopefully he'll give us more answers.
But now let's go to earlier today.

Speaker 1 We had a chance to catch up with Coach Calipari of Arkansas right after he got done with Mass. We'll see on the other side.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about the team out there? Obviously, big move out to Arkansas. And the SEC this year has become the basketball conference.
How do you feel about your team?

Speaker 1 And how do you feel about where you are with Arkansas right now?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 7 you know, we started started 0-5 and everybody shoved us in the coffin. And I made the statement they forgot to put the nails in.

Speaker 7 And our kids figured out a way to get us back in the hunt. And by the end of the year, we were playing really good basketball.

Speaker 7 And so I think we won five of our last six, six of our last seven, whatever it was.

Speaker 7 And we became that team. Now,

Speaker 7 we were all in a dark place now every player I had

Speaker 7 and they had to win that battle first

Speaker 7 and understand

Speaker 7 that

Speaker 7 you're not defined by this stuff and what you need to do is work and you need to grind and you have to battle yourself you have to win that battle before you worry about anybody else and that's what we were about I just was on that more than anything else little adversity early is good especially whenever you're trying to build a culture.

Speaker 1 You find out quickly who the guys are on your team. I know whenever you got there, you had no team.
I think that was kind of the MO, the story. And let's go back in time.

Speaker 1 I think every chance we've got to talk to you, every time you've described a season for you, it's like at the beginning of the year, we didn't know how to play defense, basically.

Speaker 1 That is kind of what you say. And then by the end of the year, we know how to play defense.
Is that something you think that your team has done very well this year?

Speaker 1 And is that just the Calapari staple?

Speaker 1 Is like at the beginning of the year, maybe we don't understand how hard our defense is going to be, but that by tournament time what was his record 57 and 22 or something like that in the tournament you guys are hell in the tournament is it because the defensive side or where do you see the growth usually whenever it comes to your squads my normally I have a new team every year now everybody's having to do this unless they were to retain guys we had about four teams in our league that retained all their guys

Speaker 7 so they were way ahead and they still are they're really good but the reality of it is for me it's always a new team my kids go pro I got new guys I got freshmen we have the youngest team in the SEC we're the youngest team and so it takes time new team young guys you know and then you walk into murderers row and your first three games are Tennessee, Florida, and Mississippi and you get spanked.

Speaker 7 And now, well, we didn't get spanked. We were in two of those games, had a chance to win.

Speaker 1 You lose.

Speaker 7 You lose. And now what you're hoping is, how do you keep building guys up? How do you keep challenging them?

Speaker 7 How do you keep making them uncomfortable so they can learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable? How do you keep up? And you know, myself, I had to get out from under the covers myself.

Speaker 7 Like, oh my God, we're 0-5.

Speaker 7 And we had to figure out what to do as a staff. My staff never wavered.
They never wavered. And that's why we are are here.
These kids

Speaker 7 came together. They became one heartbeat because they had to.

Speaker 7 We lost our two leading scores

Speaker 7 and we were dying. Our two leading scores were out.
I know no one says it and all that. We played without them.
And now this team who was left said, we're coming together. We're going to be a team.

Speaker 7 We're going to all do what we're supposed to. We've been playing seven guys for about three weeks now.

Speaker 1 Jeez. Are the boys going to be all right? Don't feel bad.
No one else feels bad. Hey, are the boys going to be all right?

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 1 that's a lot, right? I mean, I know they're young, okay? They're college-age guys, and the season is what it is.

Speaker 1 Everybody's banged up at this time of the season, but not having a deep bench is like very, that's tough, right, for whenever it comes tournament time. And obviously, I got some stats here.

Speaker 1 This is your 24th NCAA appearance, okay? 32 NCAA tournaments held all together, okay? So this fucker is the father of this.

Speaker 1 15 sweet 16, 12 elite eights, six final fours, obviously two NCAA runner-up. It's like in the tournament, don't you need depth? Is that something?

Speaker 1 Or are you okay with your seven, with how the season ended?

Speaker 7 Don't tell anybody, but I only need five.

Speaker 2 That's all.

Speaker 7 So what will happen is if a couple guys aren't playing well, they'll just play less. At this time of the year, you're not worried about ego or anything else.
It is survive and advance.

Speaker 7 It is you're playing in a tournament of four teams. We're here in Providence, a four-team tournament.
If you can win this, you go to another four-team tournament. It's going to be hard.

Speaker 7 Kansas, come on, Bill Self.

Speaker 7 He won his national championship

Speaker 1 against us and me.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 7 we won our national championship.

Speaker 7 Against them. Oh, yeah.
And so we've won at Allen.

Speaker 7 They had won in our place.

Speaker 7 And now we're playing again.

Speaker 7 Bill and I, when I left Kansas, he followed me at Kansas. So he went into the role I was in.
Unbelievable what he's done in every program, the culture he's built, all that stuff.

Speaker 7 And he and I are friends. I hate to play people that I consider friends or know well.

Speaker 7 I'd rather there's... All these teams.
Why you got to put me against him first game? Okay.

Speaker 1 So we know what we're up against. Let's talk about that, actually.
Tone from Plumboro has a question for you. Yeah, coach.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, let's just say things go great and you go through Bill Self and then sitting on the other side is Coach Bettino. Like, and you talk about your 14 bracket.

Speaker 2 As far as coaches go, are those two of the toughest you can probably go through?

Speaker 7 Sure, but don't forget about Omaha now. I know.

Speaker 1 They had a hell of a year. Hypothetically.

Speaker 7 And I'm being honest, I have not.

Speaker 7 I'm not worried about anything but this Kansas game. And I knew in our little corner, our tournament, you look at it and you say, wait a minute, there's a lot of tournament wins in that corner.

Speaker 7 And so

Speaker 7 we all getting our teams prepared to play. Look, in this thing, normally,

Speaker 7 like the game last night, who has the ball last?

Speaker 7 That's usually who wins. And they threw that thing the length of the court.

Speaker 7 And the ball went in, and they won. That's what this tournament is.
It's crazy.

Speaker 7 And you look and say, wait a minute, it fumbled. He threw it up.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 shit.

Speaker 7 And that's what it is. So I'm not worried about that.
You know, the question is good. I respect

Speaker 7 Rick. I respect Bill.
I mean, we've all been doing this a long time, and this should be fun. I want our kids to understand

Speaker 7 that

Speaker 7 enjoy this and go for it. Show who you are.
Have people watching the TV and say, man, they play hard. Man, they have fun.
Look at them. How do they play together? If we get that done,

Speaker 7 that's all you can ask for as a coach.

Speaker 1 You can change your life in March Madness as a Hooper. You know, you can change everything, especially with what you're cooking out there in Arkansas.

Speaker 1 This sets a culture up for hopefully the next 10 years or 30 families, I believe, is the amount of people that you were trying to change going into this. Yeah,

Speaker 7 30 would be nice.

Speaker 7 But again, you know, here's what it is.

Speaker 7 I'm coaching in college and I have someone's child.

Speaker 7 But at the end of the day, I can only lead them to water. They got to go drink.
They got to go do this. But it doesn't mean I care any less.
And there's a lot of individual meetings.

Speaker 7 There's a lot of meetings about kids. You're battling yourself.
You ain't battling me. You're not worried about.
You got to win that battle first and then go on.

Speaker 7 And that's what I like about this team. It doesn't guarantee success.
It doesn't guarantee a win. But I'm going to tell you this, the other guarantees a loss where you haven't won that battle.

Speaker 7 Or the minute the first raindrop hits, you cave in. And we had no business the way they gave us a 0% chance of making the NCA tournament.
So why not go for it? Why not try to do something interesting?

Speaker 7 Why not be the story? I said at the beginning of the year, I'm writing another story and I'm I'm on the first chapter.

Speaker 7 Well, let's see how this chapter ends. I hope it doesn't end on Thursday, but it may.

Speaker 7 But I've had fun coaching these teams. I've learned about myself as a coach because you have all this success, and what you end up thinking is, well, because you coach, you're going to succeed.
No.

Speaker 7 Sometimes there's a bad match. Sometimes you have injuries.
Sometimes other things go on. Can you coach now?

Speaker 7 It's easy. We won 38 straight games.
The hard thing was keeping everybody happy. We won 38 games a few different times.
Totally different than what I went through this year.

Speaker 7 And I'll tell you, there are other coaches that went through the same thing this year. And I've grabbed those guys and said, you did a great job.
You know why? His team was still playing.

Speaker 7 They were still playing hard. They were still playing to win.
And they had every reason to give up, let go of the rope. And the coach would say after, why would he tell me I did a good job? Like,

Speaker 7 then you don't understand this stuff yet. You will, but there, you go on a run.
It's a different deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, when everybody's bought in, I think that is the direct correlation to the coaching. You know, that is the direct correlation to the culture.

Speaker 1 You said, hold on to the rope, hold the rope is a big deal. There's somebody hanging off a ledge.
Are you going to be the one to let go? Are you going to let your calluses start bleeding?

Speaker 1 Are you going to hold for everything whenever things are going bad? Are you going to pull that son of a bitch? That's a Rich Rodriguez thing for a long time, assuming a lot of coaches do that.

Speaker 1 Obviously, your team was able to get through the mental battles of the early season, also having 0% chance, having no optimism outside the building, so mentally ready to go.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about physically in basketball. Ty has a question for you, coach.

Speaker 4 Yeah, coach, a lot of times in years past when a league is very dominant and then they don't perform very well in like the first two weekends of the tournament, the narrative becomes like, oh, well, the league was so good that they just beat themselves down during the season and they just had nothing left come tournament time.

Speaker 4 But how, I mean, you guys played in arguably the best conference that there has ever been this year with 14 teams getting in.

Speaker 4 How does that prepare you for the rigors of what you're about to go through in March?

Speaker 7 What you said is true.

Speaker 7 Every game this year was a grind. Every game was physical, hand-to-hand combat.
It's crazy. I mean, it was nuts, every game.
Will that wear us out or will that prepare us? You know what's great?

Speaker 7 We're going to see. Having our tournament run through Sunday, which I've argued for years, makes those two teams have a physical, mental, emotional battle on Sunday.

Speaker 7 And then they're getting into this tournament in two, three days. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens.
Who's on the upswing? Who's on the downswing?

Speaker 7 Who what what region are you in? Don't worry about anybody else but yourself because when you do that other team loses, you wasted time.

Speaker 7 But we're all going to see because I'm telling you, we deserve 14 teams to be in. We did.

Speaker 7 But now you're going to see, all right, how do we do? Everybody was all over North Carolina. Geez, they won by 40 last night.
Maybe they should have been in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, West Virginia would have won by 41, yeah.

Speaker 7 How about the governor suing?

Speaker 7 How about the governor suing? Only in West Virginia were there. Hey, if I was in West Virginia, I'd go hug the governor right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it's being a big one.

Speaker 1 He needs to stay alive.

Speaker 1 We need him to stay alive. We need to take care of himself a little bit.
But I'll tell you what, the state of West Virginia feels like they were left out. And North Carolina heard all the chatter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 And that bucket looked bigger for them last night. I mean, they're pulling up from the logo.
That looked like the best UNC team we'd seen all year. What if they go on a run?

Speaker 1 That's the madness of March. And to get into the tournament, it's obviously a huge blessing to like your school and your team.

Speaker 1 But once you get in, we've seen numerous times, obviously you've said it, anything can happen. Like literally anything can happen, especially with the

Speaker 1 Connor has a question for you, Coach.

Speaker 3 Coach, how does the day-to-day change during the tournament? Obviously, you know, one game at a time, Thursday, after that, you're not even thinking about anything. But is the recovery different?

Speaker 3 Is the strategy kind of different when you are just playing for your life every single game?

Speaker 7 It's what a great question. Look, everybody has different ways of doing this.
I even say how people play. Now they say you should shoot 53s.
Well, what if you can't make threes?

Speaker 7 No, you've got to play different.

Speaker 7 So what I've done over my career,

Speaker 7 I want

Speaker 7 everything to be the same.

Speaker 7 The board prior to the game is the same. The shootaround is the same.
The meeting the night before is the same. There is no change.
Let's just go be who we are.

Speaker 7 If that's not good enough, we had a hell of a year. But that's your best chance, in my opinion.
I don't know, but there's all kinds of ways to doing this.

Speaker 7 We had a practice yesterday that was normal for this time of year. We'll have a practice today shortened, no contact, because I can't afford any more history.

Speaker 7 So no contact. But from that point on, the shoot around tomorrow, the meetings, the staff meetings with the players, all the same.

Speaker 1 How was Mass this morning?

Speaker 7 Was really

Speaker 7 good. I got out and the guy cut us off.
And hey, you, what are you doing? This is after walking out of mass.

Speaker 7 So I don't know if it helps me, but I'm coaching other people's children and I kind of need help.

Speaker 1 I need need help anyway.

Speaker 7 I need more than just spiritual help.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're doing a great job. We can't wait to watch your team.
Thank you so much for joining us. Good luck out there tomorrow, 7.10 p.m.
Eastern, Arkansas versus Kansas.

Speaker 1 First round of the NCAA tournament. We can't wait to watch your team this year, Coach.

Speaker 7 Thanks, man. I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 Hey, grazi prego for the time, ladies and gentlemen, Coach John Califari.

Speaker 1 What a legend.

Speaker 1 Everything needs to be the exact same, okay? If it's not good enough in the regular season, it's not going to be good enough enough now.

Speaker 1 And if we can win five out of the last six games and continue on this little bit of a ride, we can obviously be enough. I'm excited to watch Coach Calapari.
Thank you for the time.

Speaker 1 You know, he's from Western Pennsylvania. You know, he's out of Pittsburgh.
And we said that the same hometown as A.Q. Shipley and Joe Denardo.
Shout out. John Calpari.
Couple of the goats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's nice to know that AQ is no longer a hater of Joe DiNardo. I hope.

Speaker 4 He says it, but I was going to say, has that been verified?

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Speaker 10 Madness!

Speaker 1 It's happening all around us

Speaker 1 all the time.

Speaker 1 But this specific madness that we are about to experience together as a country, as a world, is a madness that delivers every single year. It's a sport that not everybody knows about, okay?

Speaker 1 Not everybody knows all the ins and outs of. Not everybody knows every single player, every single coach.
Not everybody knows every single storyline.

Speaker 1 All we see is a number, which is a ranking, and we can guess how the season went.

Speaker 1 A university, and then we get a chance to experience and feel their fans and alum throughout a run of a tournament that everybody hopes that they're able to get to the top of because it could change everything for everybody.

Speaker 1 The university changes forever whenever they go crazy in March Madness. The schools obviously benefit, but so do the players.

Speaker 1 There's been players that have taken themselves from maybe second-round draft picks into lottery picks because of a run through March Madness.

Speaker 1 There's been players that have transformed their annual net worth from being just a few bucks into hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars with the modern NIL.

Speaker 1 There's storylines that are about to develop that are going to make us cry from all the hard work that took place. And then there's going to be storylines that are going to make us say, hell yeah,

Speaker 1 to that particular person. Congrats to you.
They counted you out. They thought you were crap.
And there's also a chance there's a storyline of the favorite,

Speaker 1 the team that

Speaker 1 I think most people throughout their entire lives have thought to themselves, we don't like them.

Speaker 1 There's a chance just like one of these villain teams that isn't beloved because they've been around for so long, go on a run and demolish everybody. Last couple years, UConn has been that school.

Speaker 1 And if you do recall, Dan Dan Hurley was the story because this dude was electrifying while he was coaching his team.

Speaker 1 They would be up 20 points and he'd be pissed about a turnover or a lax in judgment or an error was made by a player on his team.

Speaker 1 There is so many things that could happen over the next couple of weeks that kick off tomorrow. Now, obviously, there's playing games happening today.
There was playing games last night.

Speaker 1 The first one was magical. It ended with a Hail Mary.
Alabama State beats St. Francis, a Catholic school, with a Hail Mary.
Full of grace, what a catch bucket. 0.7 seconds left.

Speaker 1 Alabama State, you're dancing. This is just the beginning of the madness we're about to experience, and I can't wait for it.

Speaker 1 Now, I have made a promise with myself that I'll be gambling a lot less money on all these games.

Speaker 1 I think we should all think about doing that

Speaker 1 as a whole.

Speaker 1 We get caught up in the moment, and we start betting on 18, 19-year-olds that we've never heard of before until maybe literally yesterday.

Speaker 1 But what we saw them do yesterday, okay, makes us think, well, they're definitely going to be able to do that again. That is not true.
Remember that that is not how March Madness works at all.

Speaker 1 What you saw two days ago might be completely opposite for the next game. And then there's a chance that one team is going to get hot.
Got to find those. Those are the teams we're looking for.

Speaker 1 Let's be selective. Let's be smart.
Let's not overdo it. But whenever we feel good about something, let's enjoy the shit out of it.

Speaker 1 Because College Troops has its time right now, both the men's and the women's. But the men's one, obviously, is going to be seen by a lot more people.

Speaker 1 And with that being said, they got the best talent they've they've ever had in the tournament, allegedly. Yeah.
So we're maybe looking at the greatest tournament of all time. Boom.
And why not?

Speaker 1 The Toxic Table is here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. One out of the hammer, done.
Cowboys, A.P. Tone is here.

Speaker 1 And joining us live from an Attic in Ohio is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J.
Hawk.

Speaker 1 Hawker, I'm getting so excited. Last night, Alabama State throws that Hail Mary, and I was boom, right back in it.
This is what college basketball has.

Speaker 1 This is what March Madness has because sometimes there'll be a slow start to the tournament. Low scoring, a lot of mistakes, teams are tight.
Okay, game not really kind of over.

Speaker 1 And then something happens and boom, you're right back in it. You're all the way in it.
Last night, I think they started the entire thing with one of those moments.

Speaker 1 And I'm pulling for Alabama State to go on a run. I'm pulling for the basketball gods to continue to bless this Alabama State team like they did with the Hail Mary at the very end.

Speaker 1 And that's all possible here, AJ. And you're talking about changing the course of everything.

Speaker 12 And that's why it's so damn exciting AJ I legitimately think it's different than any other feeling that I have for sports yeah it's it's definitely a special time and first off great venue playing at Dayton Arena they always do this I grew up going to games at UD Arena it's an awesome like old school no air conditioning right yeah

Speaker 12 they didn't back then I don't know what it's like now but it's a great place to watch a game no question they don't make arenas like that like this anymore but can you couldn't have had a better kickoff game than this like like this was awesome like the whole time I feel like it was action-packed and then how it ended ended was beautiful.

Speaker 12 And I know we're not talking about it, but we know North Carolina looked pretty damn good.

Speaker 1 No, we talked about it. We had it.
We were forced to talk about it. I know.
Kyle Parr even brought it. I was forced to talk about it.
I talked to him this morning, 9:30 a.m.

Speaker 1 I was forced to talk about it with Kyle Parr. How about the governor? He's just suing the entire thing.
Feels like North Carolina heard that.

Speaker 1 Connor's big takeaway is like, while we, me doing my thing and the governor doing his thing, and basically the entire world was saying the same thing outside of UNC,

Speaker 1 San Diego State was like, excuse me, can we turn it down just a little bit? We stopped.

Speaker 12 They had no chance. They had no chance.

Speaker 1 I think, yeah. And I picked San Diego State yesterday strictly because I'm like, basketball, God's going to punch it.
But we all knew.

Speaker 1 We all knew. Even mentioned it as the biggest takeaway for me from watching the Selection Sunday stuff is everybody was on TV saying, North Carolina doesn't deserve to be in there.

Speaker 1 And then they were asked to pick the game. And everybody was like, Do you think North Carolina

Speaker 1 probably has this one? And it's like, what a conundrum. What a situation.

Speaker 1 And that's why any selection committee to anything is always going to have conspiracy fodder. This one just so happened to have the AD as the select.
This team being the last one in.

Speaker 1 And then the other team not only gets kicked out of the tournament, but also probably lose their coach because of it. So, and their best player is decided to go everywhere, too.

Speaker 1 So, you know, that is, that could be why I got a lot, AJ. Don't be oh, no, and I know that.
Congrats to India.

Speaker 12 Congrats to the, I'm a glass half full guy. Congrats to Indiana.

Speaker 1 Legit. Yep.
They got a great one. They got a guy.
Big for the state.

Speaker 2 This guy.

Speaker 1 They got a guy. People are not going to have to be.
He's going to be. What's he supposed to do, though? Probably stay.
Well, I don't know. What? Build the program.
I don't know, AJ.

Speaker 2 West Virginia was his, you know, his dream school or whatever.

Speaker 1 Definitely not.

Speaker 2 Born and raised in Iowa. That was his dream school.
Seems like this family spells loyalty. C-A-S-S-H.

Speaker 1 What? What's that? Kish.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 can you imagine if he can do stupendous delivery. He can do the animal guitar.

Speaker 3 Pretty dope.

Speaker 1 How he fairly stupendous delivery, legitimately. Good for you, dude.
Thank you. Good for you.
But in this business, I think a lot of people do.

Speaker 1 You know, I think that is kind of the business in the college football coaching ranks. But,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's interesting for me because, you know, I feel like I'm a pretty big supporter of West Virginia athletics. I want West Virginia athletics to do very well, you know?

Speaker 1 Very, very proud of what's going on. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Like very proud of, you know, that West Virginia Mountaineers. And,

Speaker 1 you know, it took me a while to be able to be public about it strictly because anytime I talked about it, I would just get reminded of everything that happened in one particular game against Pitt.

Speaker 1 You know, it got really loud. And for me, it was tough because it was like worst night of my life in this entire thing.

Speaker 1 So it finally got to a point where it's like, no, we did a lot of good shit there.

Speaker 1 And like, yeah, I'm proud of the fact that I was a part of a great team there and the people that I got a chance to meet and hang out with there. Like, I'm proud of it.
So it's been a nice little

Speaker 1 you know kind of uh full circle with this entire thing especially with coach rod going back now at least i know the people pretty well and they know me pretty well you know like through this entire thing so i'm very proud of it so west virginia not getting in is like a uh it sucks because i thought west we were having a you know because all our other sports rifle just want another one men's and women's soccer absolutely crushing it the women's basketball team doing well uh baseball is crushing in the big 12 it's like sports are all great.

Speaker 1 West Virginia logo brand right now. Okay.
You know? And then we get powered and then the guy just gets up and leaves.

Speaker 1 And then people are talking about West Virginia like it's a max school and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell is going on here? You know, it's, but I think Renbaker will get it right.

Speaker 1 I think, obviously, DeVries leaving to Indiana.

Speaker 1 If you've ever been around Indiana or understand the history of the Indiana Hoops program, even though they haven't had success in a long time, which is why I think Indiana potentially, I don't want to say desperate, but even more so.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know what the contract is. None of us really know what the contract potentially is.
We looked it up.

Speaker 1 Salaries range from like five to eight million, I think, per year, buyout six million.

Speaker 1 But I think the IU hoops team and the athletic department down there, after getting a chance to chat with them, they are very much like, hey, we're going to win in sports.

Speaker 12 They got money. They're going to bring in players.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
AD, I think president came from Georgia. I think she came from Georgia.
And she said, we very much understood when our teams were good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, enrollment. Everything else.

Speaker 1 So she was like all in on like, hey, sports, we're going to be good. AD saying,

Speaker 1 AD saying, hey, we're winning. You know, we are going to win sports.
So it's like, I think for IU fans, they're very excited about that. And I think

Speaker 1 Indiana basketball being good is good for college hoops. I think that is something that is good.

Speaker 1 It just sucks that at the moment of the biggest snub in the history of the tournament, what other people are calling it, I'm reading that from other people saying that.

Speaker 1 We also lose a guy who's a great, like a great basketball coach. It is a tough time right now in Mountaineer Land, even though all of our other sports are great.
Tough time right now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you can understand why people would be pissed because obviously if you're a West Virginia fan, like if I was, I'd be pissed too. But Indiana is one of those jobs in college basketball.

Speaker 4 Like it's like Notre Dame or Michigan. It's one of those like true blue blood jobs that if you get that opportunity, you just can't pass it up.

Speaker 4 It doesn't really matter where you're at because because if he is, if he is like, like you mentioned, Indiana hasn't been what they used to be in a while.

Speaker 4 If he were to turn them around, like you're a legend forever, not just in the state of Indiana, you're like a college basketball legend forever. And I assume

Speaker 1 exactly.

Speaker 4 That's pretty alluring. And then, not to mention, like, he's from the Midwest.
Like, he already has a footprint here. So, that has something to do with it as well.

Speaker 4 But obviously, if you're a West Virginia fan, like, none of that, you don't care about any of that. You're still pissed off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, who's going to be coaching in West Virginia?

Speaker 1 Simple Collin? bring back huggy bear yeah if rich row got brought back it's time to bring back

Speaker 1 the good old days yeah i i i think um he's still around a program still around program oh yeah still around program

Speaker 1 whenever he whenever he uh got let go and then signed a con and then didn't i mean there's there that was a whole thing and then josh i believe becomes Coach Josh becomes the head coach, but he was like titled the interim coach, but he did a season as the interim coach.

Speaker 1 That's stuff to recruit on. For sure.

Speaker 1 You know, that is, that's stuff to do well.

Speaker 1 And then obviously we sign old buddy here and it's like we got some now we're now we're building back again to being in the next, now we're officially in the next chapter of what WV Hoops is going to be, which has made had more success, I think, recently than IU has.

Speaker 1 I think if you were to look like who's made a deeper run, more recently, IU or West Virginia in the hoops world, I think West Virginia Hoops people would be like, We know the last whatever many years has been bad, but I don't think Indiana's done anything since like early 2000s.

Speaker 1 Like, I think it's been a long time.

Speaker 12 When's the last time they went on a deep run in the tournament?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I knew that number because remember, I mentioned it during the football.
I was like, hey, this is a basketball school, but they haven't made it a deep run since like 2000.

Speaker 2 The last Sweet 16 was 2016. Yeah,

Speaker 1 they had Tom Creen, I think, but he was like, Final four, like the Elite Eight or Final Four or whatever it was. That was like Tom Coverdale, like in the long time ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the early 2000s yeah because i think west virginia made obviously elite eight multiple times i think i don't did we make a final four i think i think west virginia made a final four hugs to sean butler maybe uh

Speaker 1 i don't remember because i think it was in indy he got hurt did we host the elite eight indiana's last final four was 2002 last elite eight was also 2002 i will now look up the west virginia yeah because i i once again only pay attention during march so you know easy come easy go yeah a lot of magic they mesh together yeah a lot of a lot of moments that can happen but even that Indiana team that you were talking about in like 2015, I'm pretty sure that year they were a one seed.

Speaker 4 They were either the number one overall seed or like they were picked to go to the final four and maybe win the whole thing and they got beat in the Sweet 16.

Speaker 2 Go ahead. W went to the Final Four in 2010.

Speaker 1 Okay, Deshaun Butler and then, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it had to be. That was when he got hurt, and Huggins went down onto the court.
It was like, that was one of the moments of the tournament, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was Deshaun Butler. And it was here in India, I think.

Speaker 1 So it was like, well, I think we only hosted the final four. I mean, Corby's ACL

Speaker 2 against Duke, and he was eventually announced.

Speaker 1 Deshaun was a dog. Duke.
Deshaun was a cool dude, too. Deshaun was,

Speaker 1 he was a star. Worked his ass off.
There was a lot of those stars, though. There was like, we had a lot of them kind of through the years there.

Speaker 1 So I think like West Virginia people are like, hey, the logo went to school here, brother. Like this is,

Speaker 1 I know football, obviously we are a blue-collar, you know, mining state. So football is, you know, the sport of choice here.
But basketball, we got some history here as well.

Speaker 1 So I think that is what West Virginia people are saying. And hopefully that's what Ren is selling.
And

Speaker 1 I don't know if we're going to be able to keep up with IU when it comes to the NIL and the contracts and everything when it comes to basketball. But I assume we're able to give good deals.

Speaker 1 You know, we got the freeze over some other schools last year. Hopefully Ren's able to figure that out.
But

Speaker 1 Ren Baker, what, every offseason has some massive decision to make. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Come hire new guys every single year.

Speaker 1 We got a new president, I think, because what's his name?

Speaker 1 Bowtie. Gordon Gee.
Gordon Gee.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, Gordon Gee, yeah. He was at Ohio State for a minute.

Speaker 1 So he's gone. Did he get booed at Rich Rod's introductory press conference when he got intro to? Sounded like it.
I don't remember.

Speaker 12 What did he do there?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't remember that.
I don't remember if it was him or somebody else. I do wonder if it was his time, though.

Speaker 1 I do wonder if it was like, okay, let's go separate ways, you know, new president. I don't know.
He had a sweet bow tie. He was nice to me.
He sent me a couple very nice messages throughout the time.

Speaker 1 I did not go to school whenever he was under the leadership.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if it was his idea just to knock down an entire part of town. It's a really good time.
Sure.

Speaker 1 Just demolish Sunnyside.

Speaker 12 That's every college campus, right?

Speaker 12 Turns commercial because, you know, that real estate's pretty, uh, pretty valuable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, every apartment is going to be rented until when? Forever. Yes.
As long as this school is here. This, this is a never-ending cash printing machine.

Speaker 1 You see, we just built one complex in each university. If we're able to do that,

Speaker 1 we're rich forever. That's a good little market.
That's a good little deal. And they certainly did that.
Yeah, they just knocked down all these old houses that were certainly falling apart.

Speaker 1 To knock it over, I think all they had to do was shove it a little bit,

Speaker 1 push, kind of let it fall. I lived in one of those houses.
That thing

Speaker 1 living upstairs, it's an interesting spot. It's like, am I upstairs tomorrow morning when I wake up, or am I

Speaker 1 potentially in the living room? Much good. Let's go to the NFL.
There's a rule change season we are currently in. People are pitching different rules.

Speaker 1 I believe there's been six that have been made public. Here's one:

Speaker 1 to amend the current playoff seating format and allow wildcard teams to be seated higher than division champs if the wild card team has a better regular season record.

Speaker 1 So this is obviously from the Lions because if you do recall, week 18, game 17 for the Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings were between

Speaker 1 two teams that if they won the game, they'd be the number one seed in the entire NFC. And if they lost, they'd be the fifth overall seed.

Speaker 1 So now all of a sudden, there's a lot different path to the Super Bowl just because somebody in your division is also having a number one overall team league seat.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they're going to be able to pass this one just because the success of the playoffs. I think the numbers and TV ratings that the playoffs get just right now are absurd.

Speaker 1 So I think it's going to be tough to get it passed, but I do understand where they're coming from, AJ Hawk.

Speaker 12 Yeah, like you said,

Speaker 12 It does seem like this one would get tough, for be tough to actually go through, but yeah, I get it. I understand

Speaker 12 why you would propose this, but yeah, I don't, I think more of the rule type changes are the things that you have a better chance to make some change.

Speaker 1 And teams from crappie divisions are like, we're not voting for that. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 With a home playoff game? Yeah. No way.
Yeah, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 We understand. Okay, must be nice, Dietrich.
You remember when you were us?

Speaker 1 You remember when you were us? That will be said in the meeting room. But I do understand where they're coming from from their perspective.
Let's go to the next one here.

Speaker 1 To prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who is lined up directly behind the snapper and received a snap immediately after the snap. This is from the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 We're done with the tush push.

Speaker 1 We are done with the tush push. There is precedent now for this rule in this play to potentially be amended a bit.

Speaker 1 During special teams, it used to be that linebackers would get their hands, both of them, one on the left butt cheek of a D-tackle and one on the right butt cheek of a D-tackle.

Speaker 1 And said D-tackle would weigh 360 pounds.

Speaker 1 And linebacker would be pushing D-tackle through shoulders or chest of long stamper after he snaps ball and then linebackers trying to jump up and block the ball.

Speaker 1 Then people evolved and it would be two D tackles, cockeyed, like you're pizza slicing your skis, okay, both facing this way.

Speaker 1 And then the linebacker would have right hand on left ash cheek and then left hand on right ash cheek of other D tackle and would be pushing 700 pounds sometimes, 600 pounds onto either guard or long snapper for field goal blocks, boom, and then then trying to jump up.

Speaker 1 And obviously the guard would actually die slowly, which is the name of the technique.

Speaker 1 Like you're going to die, just die slowly as these two gigantic humans are being aided by a linebacker who's pushing it. So they did get rid of that.
There's no pushing anymore.

Speaker 1 There's no hands on cheeks, I believe, is the way it's kind of wrote out. So there is a chance that they can say precedent on the defensive side has been set about pushing.

Speaker 1 and what's player safety and what's not player safety and how much pressure and force and weight can be dropped on somebody.

Speaker 1 But I think too many football people in the room will say, it's quarterback sneak. So you just got to stop it or shut up in the entire.
How do you think it goes, AJ Hawk?

Speaker 12 I don't think you stop this. And

Speaker 12 I don't see why you even try to stop this. Like if you can do it, like your offense can do this as well.

Speaker 12 I know the Eagles seem to find a way to run it better than everybody else, but are you just saying, hey, this is unfair? You can't say this is not, this is a player safety thing.

Speaker 12 Like I understand you can argue player safety for pushing the the guards and killing the center and the the guards uh on the field goal but here like what kind of player safety can you claim uh

Speaker 1 well Chris Jones Chris Jones got hurt kind of during the Super Bowl where he screwed up his neck and you could say well that's on him because he he's got a thousand pounds of force the lineman at the bottom of the pile whatever the case any football person is not going to publicly say we want to get rid of the quarterback sneak you know i don't think they'll go on the record that that's what i person i don't know if you have to, but I don't think anybody will go on the record and say,

Speaker 1 I'm not anybody. I don't think a majority of football people will go on the record and say that they want to ban this particular quarterback sneak.

Speaker 1 In my eyes, I just think that's going to be tough to hear people say. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like that particular one. That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 3 Like, you could still make the argument for the Eagles, well, we still have an advantage at quarterback sneak because of the fact that Jalen Hurts, you know, squats

Speaker 3 500 pounds, rather, but not having that, you know, push him behind.

Speaker 3 Then they'd obviously have to do it for defense, too, because the defense is towards, you know, the end of the season, or I guess the entire season, to counter the tush push.

Speaker 3 They're pushing D lineman. They're just not getting the push that the Eagles are getting.

Speaker 1 What an interesting thing.

Speaker 1 What an interesting predicament here. And the Green Bay Packers are leading up.
They're not doing it by themselves. They've obviously heard from other people to think about doing it as well.

Speaker 4 But I also don't understand because they don't do this a whole bunch, but towards the end of the season, they were using Tucker Kraft.

Speaker 4 They'd move him in motion and he'd take a snap and they would do the tush push with him.

Speaker 4 And they were very successful with it. So it's not like they haven't been doing it at all.

Speaker 4 I just, I more so was thinking like, well, you know, they got burned so many times on fourth downs, like at the end by the Lions and by like these playoff teams that they can't stop it.

Speaker 4 So maybe they're thinking that. But yeah, I don't understand how you can use a player safety thing when so many teams do this.
And very rarely do we see guys get hurt because of this.

Speaker 1 Eagles just got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 You just have to learn it. You got to find a way to run it with your offense, whether it's put a tight end, put someone else, motion them in, I don't know.

Speaker 1 So what is it? First and nine then? Okay. Basically.

Speaker 1 Is that what we're doing? That's what somebody's saying.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay. So you got three plays to get nine yards.
Are we Canadian football now? Is that what we're doing? We're doing CFL rules, three downs. Okay.

Speaker 1 So we're saying if it's, we're just giving first downs away now, that's what we're doing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, not everybody. It seems like the Eagles have a little better percentage than your team.
Oh, shut up. Bills.
I'm pretty pumped to see the selling and what actually gets passed.

Speaker 1 This one doesn't feel like it's getting passed this year, you know? But maybe a lot of these rules, you know, they kind of.

Speaker 12 What can you say, though? What can you say? Hey, this is not fair. Like, this isn't, like, what's your argument? I don't get it.
It's a boring play.

Speaker 1 It's not football. This is rugby.
Like, what do we point? That's what somebody was saying. You know, just like the main argument for the extra point was, it's boring.

Speaker 1 This play sucks. Yeah, too.
Yeah. So too successful, need to figure it out.
or we're going to get rid of it. And then they were like asking around the league, come up with ideas.

Speaker 1 And I heard one ownership group wanted to propose a 60-yard extra point. A 60-yard extra point.
Just go out there, just you and a little stick, 60 yards.

Speaker 12 You get five points if you make it?

Speaker 1 Nope, just one. It's one point.
It's an extra point. Play music.
Yeah, well, that's when

Speaker 1 once I heard that was an idea. Yeah.
Once I heard that was an idea, that's when I really. The stage.
Okay, so we are.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we're exploring the space here. We're coming up with some ideas.
Yeah. Stage.

Speaker 1 Smoke. Yeah.
Music.

Speaker 1 For one point.

Speaker 1 Can Adam Vinoteri?

Speaker 1 Spinning stage?

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 1 Missed it.

Speaker 3 I'd watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Trying to make it exciting. I mean, mean, when I heard a 60-yarder for one point was being pitched, I'm like, oh, so we're trying to make this like a show.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 I like to do this. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I like what we're thinking. And I'll be honest, Adam was not happy with my suggestions.

Speaker 1 He asked me why I make a mocker out of it. Why don't I respect the game? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
And why don't I appreciate the game? I'm saying I'm trying to keep a foot in football, brother. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to keep all three phases. I don't want them to get rid of it.
And if this is what they're going with, my idea, much more fun. And he goes, you want to see me on a stage? Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who does it? Is he wearing full pads still? No,

Speaker 12 I want to see him run and set up. Like, can you imagine how tough it'd be to have like

Speaker 12 you'd be so much, you'd be so anxiety-ridden if you're one of the people, though, that has to run the little spinning stage out there and make sure it works in the moment.

Speaker 12 Because you have like a little bit of a bunch of things.

Speaker 1 It's on the side of the field. It's on the side of the field.
So, you know, just like in rugby, if you score on the left side, you have to kick from the left one.

Speaker 1 If you score on the right side, you got to kick from the right one. Always going.
Yeah, that thing's always spinning.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that. Okay, it's even better.
Whole game. Whole game.
That thing's spinning. They'll actually have a counter on how many times.

Speaker 1 This thing has spun 985 times thus far.

Speaker 12 Does it go faster? Every quarter, it starts spinning a little bit faster. So if you're taking an extra point in overtime, like that thing, you can barely see the dude.

Speaker 3 No, that's like icing the kicker.

Speaker 1 Instead of

Speaker 3 timeout, yeah, you can cut the speed, turn it up, but you can only do it once again.

Speaker 1 You can't do it multiple times.

Speaker 3 So you kind of have to pick and choose.

Speaker 1 So you fake like the head coach has his hand on like the controller and he's faking like he's going to make you spin faster nope not this time it depends on how many timeouts you have too like if you have three timeouts you could do multiple things you could have it spin faster you could have it vibrate and maybe and maybe rock back and forth a little bit okay so they said that we were making a mocker out of it sure and uh they ended up with a 33 yard extra point and uh idiots i think that has made you know a little bit more electrifying it looked weird for a while because they had the way they sold things on the field was still as if it was extra point now like the field the business i think the camera us as viewers have all kind of adapted to it and we keep it moving.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to get used to this new kickoff setup.

Speaker 1 That's going to be tough. It's a weird setup.
It is a very interesting setup just because in every other play there's a line of scrimmage, you know, and in this one there's two of them. So it's

Speaker 1 just interesting, but they're trying to keep the foot in football, so I respect it. Let's go to the next rule that is being pitched here.

Speaker 1 To align the postseason and the regular season, overtime rules are granting both teams an opportunity to possess the ball, regardless of the outcome of the first possession, subject to a 15-minute overtime period in the regular season.

Speaker 1 Okay, so touchdown wins game on first drive. Field goal extends game.
So if you hit a field goal in the first drive of overtime, the other team can answer.

Speaker 1 If you score a touchdown, that's both balls in the cup, brother. That is game over, unanswerable.
So I think that's the right move. Just keep it the same as the playoffs.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people probably assume it is the same as the playoffs, if they had to guess, especially because the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City chiefs situation a few years back i think this one should pass aj your thoughts absolutely keep it the same way there's we know that there's players that didn't know the the overtime rules between the the regular season and the playoffs you're right that mic'd up situations where they're like what it's over yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 1 that is that's game yeah sorry about it you now move to week 14.

Speaker 3 good luck got a must-win go ahead super bowl with the niners like they didn't realize the the entire situation with you know the chiefs where there's that clip of you know Mahomes when they're doing the Super Bowl overtime and they had no idea that the rules were the Chiefs get the ball no matter what and that was right after it.

Speaker 1 Oh yes because it is different in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, both teams have to get the ball. Have to have to.
There's no, I don't even know what the counter is.

Speaker 12 I don't even know what it shouldn't be different. Regular season should not be different from playoffs when it comes to that to any rule, really.

Speaker 1 Who's voting no to that? Like, what would be the reasoning to vote?

Speaker 12 You can claim player safety, so the game, the regular season, you don't want a regular season game game going five hours. Is that what they claim?

Speaker 3 No, because it ends in a tie.

Speaker 1 That's what they'll say.

Speaker 4 But it's the same deal. Then you could just be like, well, then why are we playing on Thursdays?

Speaker 1 Well, then why are we playing for 15 total minutes then? Yeah.

Speaker 12 There's a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 Why do you extend it with a field goal, but not a touchdown? Like, there's really no.

Speaker 1 This one passes. I think so.
Congrats to football getting better. Congrats.
Congrats. Congrats to the

Speaker 1 congrats to what team pitched that? The Eagles. The Eagles.
Congrats to the Eagles. It feels like that one's going to pass.
Let's go to the next one. Could be wrong.
Once again, we are not voters.

Speaker 1 This is what we're projecting to happen. The Detroit Lions say they want to eliminate an automatic first down as a penalty imposed for defensive holding in illegal contact.

Speaker 1 They like to get their hands on you.

Speaker 1 This one's not.

Speaker 1 I love this.

Speaker 1 I'm about sick of us a little ticky-tack bullshit. And they get to extend their drive all of a sudden.
Why? Because we play football?

Speaker 1 Okay. And now we're letting the refs decide whether or not a call that can be called a lot.
and kind of just sneak through the rule book. Let them decide and have it be another first down.

Speaker 1 That's what the Lions are saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think they were the most penalized secondary in the nfl last year so they said we're not going to change the way we play defense let's change the rules that's all right hey to be clear everybody tells us they would play the way we play if they could let's let it

Speaker 12 let's let everybody grab everybody aj how do you feel about this I think this one might be tough to get through, especially since the Lions are with the most penalized secondary.

Speaker 12 You know, they were guilty of doing this a lot. Yeah, does that play a factor when they think about voting these rules through? Like, hey, who is proposing this?

Speaker 1 Definitely. Yes.

Speaker 1 Just like cards against humanity, we've said it once we'll say it a thousand times when you're playing that particular game i don't even know if people play it anymore but you got to play the person you know you got to always know the person that is making decisions the person that is speaking the person that is giving an opinion you have to know why that person feels the way they feel like bubba cunningham

Speaker 1 there north all right anyways yes they will hold that against the line somebody will roll out stats probably is this your defense right here this is our defense stop holding our guys i just paid jamar and t Exactly.

Speaker 1 We would like a first down. Yeah, so not going to pass through us.
Let's go to another rule change that's being proposed.

Speaker 1 This one's from the Pittsburgh Steelers, allowing teams to have direct contact with free agents and set up travel during the negotiating window.

Speaker 1 That's Monday at noon, as opposed to having to wait till Wednesday at 4.

Speaker 1 There's this tampering period that has been legalized by the NFL where all these deals are done and the teams are not allowed to physically meet the player during this time.

Speaker 1 They're allowed to talk to the agent.

Speaker 1 They're allowed to meet with the agent, not allowed to meet with the player because once again, that would be too much tampering, too much recruiting, as opposed to just throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at them.

Speaker 1 You can't meet them in person. I feel like this one gets passed for some reason.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is a pretty easy one in my eyes, but then they'll have to limit how much travel does each guy have to take and where do the meetings and how the meetings, all that comes into play next, AJ.

Speaker 12 Yeah, so are they saying though,

Speaker 12 the steelers are saying we can just set up their travel and we can speak directly to the player during the tampering period, not and then, but they still can't come in and physically come to your facility until the free agent it opens up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they probably just want to, you know, let's get some eyes, hands, conversation, uh, because you hear stories probably about people. You try to background check.
I think they can talk.

Speaker 1 I think, maybe not. To the agent.

Speaker 12 They can talk to the agent right now, it says, right?

Speaker 2 There's also not as many direct flights to Pittsburgh, so it's like, hey, we're scheduling this travel is tough. Okay, we've got to get a couple of days advance on a lot of people.

Speaker 2 You know, these Chicago, Atlanta, is Dallas, these big airports, you know, make a direct flight, fucking boom, as soon as free agency starts things scheduled.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's make it a level playing field.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh was supposed to have so many flights.

Speaker 2 They got a brand new airport coming, so hopefully. Really? Yeah, they're building a brand new airport.

Speaker 1 The last time we got a brand new airport, it came with a deal with what? U.S. Airways? Yeah.
I think it was U.S. Airways.
Oh, nice. They were going to make Pittsburgh a hub.
And then I don't know.

Speaker 1 It was for a little bit, right? I don't know how many years later, they just.

Speaker 1 Yeah, U.S. Air.
They left. They left.

Speaker 1 So you show up at that airport, and it happened whenever I was gone, because I would fly back, and it's just like literally full empty terminal, just no planes outside. It's like, this is sad.

Speaker 1 That's weird. This is sad.
Yeah, but you bank on the deal, the contract, and somehow it ended up not happening.

Speaker 1 And once that takes place, then you start losing, you know, you don't, because for them, business-wise, how many flights are we going to like Indianapolis? Super clean airport. Nice.

Speaker 1 Great. Very nice airport.
Easy to get in and out. Now, is there flights to a lot of places?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll get you to the hub.

Speaker 1 We'll get you to a hub. That's the tough thing about the small ones.
Yeah, but they're beautiful. You know, it's a really nice airport.

Speaker 12 It's cool.

Speaker 1 You can get it on and off a plane like you can get on you can get in and out pretty easily but yeah you just gotta take a 40-minute flight to a to a hub pittsburgh's airport you know got franco harris right next to george washington drop ball found a country safe city you know that's welcome to pittsburgh let's go to the next rule shall we uh the

Speaker 1 pro football talk

Speaker 1 report of seven teams proposing K-balls to be prepared before the game is one that I heard about back at the combine. Okay.
So there were some special teams coordinators from numerous teams.

Speaker 1 He said seven in this report. I assume that's how many people actually put their names on it or whatever.
I think this is a very much a unanimous, hey, this is what we're thinking.

Speaker 1 So the K-ball preparation is

Speaker 1 a lot more of a conversation than people could have ever imagined. So back in the day, you used to be able to bring your own ball to kick, own ball to throw.
Everybody just brings their own balls.

Speaker 1 You play with your own ball as you go home. So the kickers started really experimenting.
They started really, really experimenting on how you get the ball the most beat up.

Speaker 1 You know, because the more beat up ball, the further it's going to fly. Brand new ball, more plasticky.
It's hard to kind of dent the outer shell and inevitably thrust it as far as you possibly can.

Speaker 1 So a beat up ball is the best ball you can get. We're talking like 10 yards difference, 15 yards difference, maybe?

Speaker 12 That much, really?

Speaker 1 Between a brand new ball and a very, very, very beat up ball. Like, now I'm going to wind and everything plays in, but like seven to 15 yards, very much like game changer.
They're a big deal.

Speaker 1 It's a big deal on these broken-in balls.

Speaker 1 So, at some point, there's this folklore story that one of the kickers' balls or punters balls was in for a punt, and then the other team decided to go for it.

Speaker 1 So, the K-ball ended up in actual play, and it was some notable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe Brett Favre. And the ball was so beat up that it was like so like oversized and just like no grip.

Speaker 1 A pick was thrown and then immediately there was full fucking chaos about how we got to get these K-balls back right away.

Speaker 1 We got to have more of a thing because it can't be determining outcomes of games because a quarterback can't. So like literally that is like the folk tale.

Speaker 1 I don't know what this is back in like 2000 maybe, maybe 1999. So this is way back in this thing.
So then they instituted a rule, brand new balls, literally box opened, handed to refs onto the field.

Speaker 1 I forget it was, I think it was like three, four years or something like that. And it was, was, I could, thank God I did not play during that time.

Speaker 1 Like that is, I assume if you go back and look at the numbers, terrible. Like I assume not good numbers.

Speaker 1 So then all the special teams coordinators came around and then there was an agreement with the NFL where it was like, okay, we'll have K-balls and the equipment managers, while being watched by an NFL official, will have 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 with the seven balls and they will be allowed a brush. There's just one spray thing and then a towel.

Speaker 1 That is all they're allowed to have So these equipment managers one from our team one from another team would go into a bathroom in the stadium Before the game like 90 minutes before the game They would have an official watching them They would start a clock and they would have 30 minutes to beat up a ball Okay, 30 minutes to rub the shit out of it, you know sweat in there like the whole thing our guy would come out drenched We're talking about drenching sweat and I would me and Vinny would be like my man, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 Us and other kickers and punters on other teams, we would talk about who the the ball rubber is who's the ball like hey who's your who's your guy who's your your guy and they say we got a guy he's good he's new and we we would say we got a guy so our guy would get ball one because ball one's going to be in the field the most their guy would get ball two so then our guy would get three so like then there would be like a plan beforehand like hey is your guy good and they'd be like yeah good guy it's like okay then no conversation needed our guy great so like let's let our guy kind of do his thing and there were seven balls usually only the first three balls would make it into a game the others would be sold for game use, but they were never, they never saw the field.

Speaker 1 So now they're trying to get to a point where it's like, just like the quarterbacks are allowed to prepare their own balls and bring their own balls, and then they get tested at game time, just let the teams bring their own balls and you can test it at game time.

Speaker 1 And if it's too despicable or not game ball enough, kick it out. Kickers want the ball hard, not soft.
So it's like the air pressure will be there. If it's beat up, you can tell if it's too beat up.

Speaker 1 Like there were some games back in the day, laces were popping off the ball. and it's like, that would be awesome to have an actual helium balloon.

Speaker 1 Not that helium would help, that was been myth-bustered, but for that big of a thing, like a rugby ball, like an Aussie ball, I mean, the sweet spot gets bigger, the bigger the ball gets.

Speaker 1 So it's like that, I think they can do both. I think that's what the special teams people are pitching.
Like, hey, just let us bring our own ball. You can test them, and then we just keep it moving.

Speaker 1 We'll use our balls. They use their balls, and we just keep it moving.
So what I'm saying is something as minute in a lot of people's eyes is the K-balls.

Speaker 1 This has been a a conversation for like decades. And

Speaker 1 I think this is the right answer. I think.
And we're kind of getting back to where it used to be before they were putting it in the washer and dryer, putting it in a sauna.

Speaker 1 Guys were putting a ball in the sauna, obviously. We're beating it up in the sauna so the thing would grow.
And then obviously you

Speaker 1 pump it up as much as you possibly can. It was like they were, they were,

Speaker 1 you know, abuse leads to restriction. Sure.
And that is potentially what happened there. But they felt as if it was gamesmanship.
And that's where we're back at the beginning for the K-Balls.

Speaker 12 Great guy, huh? Why wouldn't they let the kickers and punters have that 30 minutes to do it?

Speaker 1 Great question. I don't know.

Speaker 1 To be clear, I never asked. I was always like, frog, my God.
Yeah. You had a guy, dude.

Speaker 12 That's a valuable spot. Very valuable spot.

Speaker 1 We would go to teams and they would say, we got a bad guy. And I'm like, oh, sorry, man.

Speaker 1 That sucks. Because you feel it.
Like, whenever we played in London, Walt, the ref, You know, he had ball seven on the, he was putting ball seven on the field on purpose.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, these people actually like us over here. Like in England, these people actually are late, they'll cheer a big time punt.

Speaker 1 And I get the ball for like the kickoff and it's like, what is this?

Speaker 1 And I look, it's ball seven. I'm like, why are you doing that to us?

Speaker 1 Why are you brand new ball?

Speaker 1 Somebody snaps one. Let's say Lil Gamesmanship has been done in the past,

Speaker 1 like a game winner, away game, ball boy throws in ball four. As opposed to like ball three, ball two, you know, like one of those situations that happened.

Speaker 1 And as soon as you catch a snap, it's like, ooh, this is a bad ball.

Speaker 1 You could literally feel it, as soon as you catch it, you can feel it. And it's a game changer.
How many of these rules will pass? That's six being pitched. What did we think? T-ball.
Two of them?

Speaker 2 C-ball passes. Steelers probably passes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, cable and playoff rule. Yeah, the

Speaker 1 rules. So maybe three of them.
Tampering, visitations. Oh, yeah, and the overtime.
Yeah, overtime. and cable.

Speaker 1 That's it. I think those three will pass.
Joining us now is a man who had been in the NFL for his entire life. Now, he is the general manager for the North Carolina Tar Hill football team.

Speaker 1 Where was he on Selection Sunday?

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi.

Speaker 5 Oh, Pat, I was right there. Look, look at what we did last night.
I mean, maybe the conversation should have been, why was San Diego State in the thing? Damn, we took all the heat.

Speaker 6 We played.

Speaker 1 Well, San Diego State's athletic director wasn't the chairman of the selection committee. Okay, Lombo.
And you know Bubba much better than I do. Bubba's a good man.
Bubba's a good man.

Speaker 1 I just need to know that Bubba's a good man.

Speaker 5 Good man. You know, everybody's good people down here at North Carolina.

Speaker 5 And certainly with the great tradition we have, look, I don't know how it all goes in there, but, you know, look, we proved it last night on the court.

Speaker 5 And, you know, the other thing is, too, our women's basketball team, we're hosting here, too,

Speaker 5 you know, a three-seed. A lot of things going on here in Chapel Hill.

Speaker 1 I saw you and Coach Belichick delivering some pizzas. You know, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there you go. Hey, you guys love him speaking to the team.
He said, we and us a lot. Like, and you just said, we in us, talking about North Carolina.
Feels like you guys are fully in, huh?

Speaker 1 You guys are all the way in in the North Carolina.

Speaker 5 It's the greatest. I'll tell you, Pat, you got to come down here and you got to, there's Coach Backhart Courtney.
She's great. I mean, you got to come down here and go into Carmichael.

Speaker 5 and experience the place that Jordan took the roof off of. It's magical.
It really is. I mean, you walk in there.
Now, I know you've been to Butler where they filmed the movie Hoosiers and all that.

Speaker 5 And that's like, that sent sent me chills when I went in there.

Speaker 5 But every time I go in a Carmichael here on the campus of the University of North Carolina, it's amazing because all I can think about is how many shots Jordan practiced in that arena.

Speaker 5 You know, how many did he make and how many did he miss? Like his whole life was in there. You could just feel it when you go in there.
It's incredible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, some greatness and great colors too. I mean, you guys' uniforms are the best.
I love how much you have just taken ownership of being at UNC. Where are you guys at right now?

Speaker 1 Because we got what, the next transfer portal coming up in April.

Speaker 1 Spring is not happening. You guys are on break.
What's happening right now?

Speaker 5 No, we're at spring practice today, which is great.

Speaker 5 It'll be our fifth practice of our spring. So we've got that at five o'clock tonight.
And, you know, a lot of recruiting going on.

Speaker 5 You know, the portal doesn't open up until April 15th, which we'll get an opportunity to evaluate our team where we are and then to go look at the portal to see what's available for us to sign to help our team for the 25 season.

Speaker 5 And then really our focus has been on the 26th season, really doing a good job trying to recruit players for that. And, you know, that's ongoing.

Speaker 1 What's been

Speaker 5 between the difference between college and pro is when you work like everybody's working on one draft board now in pro football. You know, they're working on getting their boards set up.

Speaker 5 And in college, you got the 25 board, the 26 board, the 27, and the 28.

Speaker 5 I mean, we have young kids that come watch us practice from 27 that are, you know, they're just 15 years old and they look like they could play pro football today

Speaker 1 how many of those guys are going to end up wearing Carolina blue how many

Speaker 5 as many as we can Pat look the one thing is there's no one thing about this is you're not limited to draft picks and we're not waiting for the compensatory picks to come around we got a lot of first-round picks we can use how's bill how's bill at practice compared to when he was with the patriots what is his is it the same is it different how is he coaching versus maybe when he coached uh in the nfl well i think the hardest challenge for him and our coaching staff is how to teach the players how to practice properly.

Speaker 5 Nobody needs to be on the ground. We need to have physical contact.
We need to be a physical football team, but that doesn't mean we need to be everybody in the training room all beat up.

Speaker 5 So I think that's the process. Bill Walsh said he took him two years to teach the 49ers back in 1979 until really they got to about 1981 when they learned how to practice without pads on.

Speaker 5 You guys know from playing in the league that sometimes the practice tends to slow down when you you don't have pads on and that doesn't make it a good practice.

Speaker 5 But you have to find a way to be physical without pads on and beating everybody up. And that takes a process.
We have to teach players how to do that. And I think that's what coach is working on now.

Speaker 1 How many stay off the ground? How many? That's a lot of that, huh? There's a lot of that.

Speaker 5 You heard it. Hell yeah.
There's a lot of stay off the ground. You know, there's a few stay off the effing ground.
There's a few just stay off the ground. We got a little bit of both.

Speaker 5 Yeah, depending upon how severe the punishment is, depending upon how severe the uh the crime is now uh the connor just uh reminded me you guys doing no numbers down there right now no numbers see but everybody miscommunicate everybody thinks this is some kind of form of punishment and all that there's a method to everything coach does and one of the things we have to work on here at north carolina is our communication right you we got to know everybody on the team we've got to be able to to not just call out hey 79 you've got the a gap you got to slide down you need to know the player's name you know you need to be able to communicate.

Speaker 5 And it highlights communication. Everybody, when we did it in New England, everybody felt like, oh, it was just, we didn't want the media to know who the players were.
Well, that wasn't true at all.

Speaker 5 We wanted to work on communication. And that's what we're doing here.
And that's one of the great things about it is we can practice community.

Speaker 5 You know, one of the things you see, look, let's take the game.

Speaker 5 The Rams are sitting here, not winning the Super Bowl or playing the Super Bowl because they had a failed communication on two of their last protections when Matthew Stafford got sacked when they're going in the red zone.

Speaker 5 That's a communication issue. It wasn't a talent issue.
So practicing communication is really important.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and learning everybody's name. When you're watching film,

Speaker 1 that has to be a nightmare. Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, that has to be a nightmare.

Speaker 5 Look, I would like the numbers on him. I mean, is that, wait a minute, who is that? Now he's got no, wait a minute.
He has no pads on. Wait a minute.
He does no way. He's got a tail behind his legs.

Speaker 5 He's wearing a pad. Like, you got to go, you go out there and you have to mark the players on your sheet so that you know who you're watching.

Speaker 1 Sleeve, you left sleeve. Yeah.
You got it. You got it.
Pfizer. That is fantastic.
Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 12 Lombo, what's the plan for a possible spring game? I know a lot of teams are going away from it. They're not doing it in Colorado.
I know Dion wants to possibly bring another team in.

Speaker 12 What do you guys plan on doing down there?

Speaker 5 Well, we're going to have a spring event. We're not going to have a spring game.
I mean, that whole breaking the team up into two sides.

Speaker 5 I mean, look, one thing we've learned through a lot of years, when Bill first came to Cleveland in 1991, the New York football giants practiced in full pads on Friday, right?

Speaker 5 And when Bill, we started practicing on half shells, the players almost had a hard time. So, you know, we've learned over the years how to practice better, right?

Speaker 5 And how to get more out of less practice. So I think the game really

Speaker 5 isn't as much about the portal as much about making sure you get more out of your practice than just trying to beat up on one another.

Speaker 5 And I think obviously there'll be times where we have to go live in our practices. But I think like anything, you got to build yourself up to it.
You just can't start hard.

Speaker 5 I mean, we're not Bear Bryant

Speaker 5 down at Texas AM before when he got down there. Next thing you know, he only had like 20 players left.
That's not what you need to do.

Speaker 1 Well, I think not only that, and I respect that that's the angle, you know, in it all. And you said splitting up the team into two teams.
I love that that's not even a thought.

Speaker 1 Like, we're not going to be, we're all tar heels here. We're not splitting each other up into two teams.
We'll be offense, defensive special teams, but we're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 Also, the more I think about it, there is zero upside to a spring game, okay? Let's start rattling off all the bad things.

Speaker 1 So if you have a spring game, you have a starter and you have a backup then somewhere, okay? So then you just told the backup that they're the backup, okay?

Speaker 1 Do they want to hit that transfer portal after your spring game because they're going to be a backup? What about a third stringer who might end up being the starter?

Speaker 1 after training camp, depending upon how he plays. He's not on the ones or the twos.
He's like, well, get me the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 And And it's like, well, you have no idea what training camp could look like in the fall. It might be vastly different.
They're gone. You put on film now.
So other teams are going to see who you got.

Speaker 1 Then you're potentially getting people poached. It's like, there's just so many ramifications now in the modern

Speaker 1 college football. They're like, I don't know how a spring game does.
I don't know how they save the spring game.

Speaker 1 It's going to have to be a spring like festival more than, like you're saying, a spring event. I think that's the only answer, legitimately.

Speaker 5 Well, like Deion wants to practice against another team, but I don't think the NC2A will allow that based on the rules, which I think something needs to, obviously, we need to change that because I think

Speaker 5 it would help the quality of play once the regular season starts. It would help your team.

Speaker 5 It would help you evaluate your team, especially now that we're dealing in a portal and now that we have revenue streams coming in.

Speaker 1 Would you televise it? Would you televise that or no? I don't think so.

Speaker 5 I mean, look, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 5 Somebody would watch it. Look, we don't get enough football as it is.
We want to, you know, the spring league draws people. I'm sure people would watch a good spring game.

Speaker 5 Look, you know, one thing we know about spring games, people have watched them.

Speaker 5 They're all over the networks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. I, that's what I'm saying.
I don't

Speaker 1 just, I'm thinking about from a West Virginia perspective and a lot of these schools' perspective.

Speaker 1 It's like if you have a spring game on TV and you have somebody that goes bananas, okay, freshman, sophomore goes crazy in the spring game, all of a sudden there is, and you got a transfer window.

Speaker 1 Yeah, coming up. Literally in a week or like two weeks coming up, there's some, no offense, Ohio State.
You know, they're not the only one.

Speaker 1 And Ohio State obviously loaded the wide receiver position or they wouldn't need whoever would be of

Speaker 1 need of that position. It's like a lot of these schools got a massive bank account that could just be like, hey, you want to come to Penn State?

Speaker 1 We didn't recruit you. We just saw what you did.
And then all of a sudden, I don't know, that's tough, man. I think the spring festival is the way to go to celebrate the sport.

Speaker 1 But also, if we have combined practices, that'd be electrifying. Let's not slow that down either.
Okay, a couple of the boys have some more questions about you from an NFL perspective.

Speaker 1 I know you saw this. I know you saw the play.
Let's go to Cincinnati. Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Lambo, how do you feel about the Jamar Chase and T. Higgins deals? Obviously, I believe it's, you know, damn near $70 million combined per year for their top two guys.

Speaker 3 Keeping them both sounds like it's going to be real tough to keep Trey Hendrickson, but we'll see what happens. What do you think about this?

Speaker 3 about this and do you think the Cincinnati Bengals are set up for long-term success with these two guys locked down.

Speaker 5 Well, I think both of them are great players. There's no question.
Both of them deserve to get paid. I think this is more of a question, and you already know the answer to this, Connor.

Speaker 5 You're asking me. You know how I feel about this.

Speaker 5 This was a setup. I mean, this is an alley oop, right? I mean, you expect me to dunk this.
I know how this is going to go. But look, I don't know how you do it if you can't block.

Speaker 5 I mean, maybe Cincey's made a deal with Pittsburgh and Baltimore

Speaker 5 and, you know, on all the other teams that they're going to count to five Mississippi when they rush. And so they can throw the ball to these guys.
You know, I don't know. Maybe they've worked it out.

Speaker 5 I don't understand it. But to me, when I watch the Bengals, I see

Speaker 5 Joe Burrow gets hit way too much. You know, and they're going to have to fix that.
Now, can they do it in the draft? Look, Duke Tobin will do a good job trying to find players. I don't doubt that.

Speaker 5 But for me, it's not the perfect scenario. And again, I'm going to say this a thousand times.
Coach Walsh told me this.

Speaker 5 When he told me to go do a project on three receivers in 1984, Al Toon, Jerry Rice, and Eddie Brown,

Speaker 5 he said to me, after he told me to do a research project on those three players, he said, we're finally now in position to draft a great receiver.

Speaker 5 Because his belief was, which he really gave to me, and this is why I'm, is you can't be, you can't have great if you can't block. And these guys are great.
There's no question.

Speaker 5 We're not arguing their talent or their value. I'm not arguing that.
I'm arguing team building. Can we find young offensive linemen that we can play with and protect Joe Burrow?

Speaker 5 Because Joe Burrow is the franchise.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Joe Burrow allegedly had some sway in T. Higgins and Jamar Chase getting signed.

Speaker 1 And if they are able to find an offensive line that can protect Joe Burrow, they'll be able to score with absolutely anybody. I think we all agree with that.
Now, defense last year was not good.

Speaker 1 They actually fired D coordinator. It's like, can they figure that out and also figure out Trey Hendrickson that's currently the sack king? That's a lot.
Hey, good luck to you, though.

Speaker 1 Hey, and I'm pumped for bad.

Speaker 5 Maybe it'll work, but I think when they went to the Super Bowl and almost beat the Rams,

Speaker 5 their defense played a lot better than they did. And I think to me, to play great defense in the NFL, you got to practice.
You got to have to have physicality within your defense.

Speaker 5 I don't think it's a game. Football is not a game where you just turn it on.
Look, the Eagles went from being horrible on defense to being really good.

Speaker 5 Now, Vic takes a lot of credit and deservingly so for making that defense better. But it was also the way they changed their strength and conditioning and how they conditioned the players.

Speaker 5 And I think if you asked Callie Roseman, he would say the changes he made in terms of the physical development of the players were as much to do as the scheme change.

Speaker 1 I wonder how the food was over there in Philly, you know? That's being talked about. Cincinnati has been for a long time.
Food in the facility,

Speaker 1 not to grace.

Speaker 3 They didn't make it in slot buckets or

Speaker 1 old Gatorade bucket. No.

Speaker 1 It does get an F a lot, but I don't think they're doing that. And remember, they're developing, they're changing.
They're paying a lot of money to a lot of people. They're doing business.

Speaker 1 Hopefully hopefully the bangles are able to figure it out what i was going to say is for bangles fans they're incredibly pumped i think that they're just spending money you're like oh this is the first time bangles and mr brown and their family have really gone after anybody is it a style that can win in 2025 we shall see we're running up here on a hard out about uh 50 seconds from now so i would like to ask you um did you read the 80 000 pages have you have you got through the i'm working through it pat i'm still working through it but i think it's you know it's going to take me a little bit of time i i spent a little morning I got up a little earlier this morning to read some of it.

Speaker 5 You know, I'm fascinated by it. I'm down the rabbit hole, as you know.

Speaker 5 It's just too, it's just too good. But I'm counting on Matt Crumpton, who runs a great podcast called Solving JFK, to read most of it, and then he'll educate me when I listen to it.

Speaker 1 80,000 pages.

Speaker 1 How many pages is the Bible? Do we know how many pages the Bible is?

Speaker 1 Not anywhere near 80,000. So just think of it.

Speaker 1 80,000.

Speaker 5 Somebody's going to get that. Have you ever been to the LBJ library i mean he's got five floors of books just of his memorandum see you monday

Speaker 1 nailed it we got it we're good we got it right on time eight eighty thousand

Speaker 2 uh it says the bible is somewhere between 1200 and 1600 yeah so you know

Speaker 1 so and the bible quite a bit more thick yeah thick the issue here is

Speaker 5 who's reading through and picking and choosing what we you know yep now that's the game oh we got plenty of people doing that pat now we got some really good people in there that, that, that kind of go through it.

Speaker 5 And a lot of them,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 5 I'm on the side that Lee wasn't on the sixth floor. So that's the side I'm on.

Speaker 1 Oh, that you say.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 6 Lomba, what happened?

Speaker 1 80,000 pages, AJ, fucking read it. Why don't you do it?

Speaker 5 Well, you know what? That's a long story, Connor. We don't have enough time to cover it, but obviously it wasn't, it wasn't a proud moment in our American history.
Let me just say that.

Speaker 1 What a wild thing for for it to be released now.

Speaker 1 I mean, that just dropped into my timeline yesterday. Hey, here's the link.
80,000 pages.

Speaker 3 Get the word. It's up to you.

Speaker 1 Just tell them, Lombo. But I'm like, I don't.
I don't want to get to 80,000 pages. But then I was intrigued.
Then I started seeing screenshots from the 80,000 pages.

Speaker 1 I'm like, well, what was happening on the page before that page? And what was happening on the page after that page?

Speaker 5 There's a guy. There's a guy.
There's two people that really have been the forefront of this. John Armstrong, who's all his papers are at Balloon University, which are incredible.

Speaker 5 He is the guy that basically uncovered the fact that there were a lot of Lee Harvey Oswald impersonators, tremendous researcher, wrote a great book called Harvey and Lee.

Speaker 5 And then Jim Garrison, who was taken through the coals for his investigation and the trial of Clay Shaw. But his documentation and his research and his really his studying of it is remarkable.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you gotta be.

Speaker 1 You got me down to the ball. You don't want to go down here.

Speaker 5 Let's talk football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are. We'll get back to ball.
But I do appreciate the fact that every once in a while, I'll see the Lumbo tweet that's just like, oh, bullshit, basically, to somebody that's saying something.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, this guy's really passionate. This guy, really passionate.
Hopefully, you'll get all the answers you need in that 80,000 pages. And who's picking and choosing what we see? That's now.

Speaker 1 a part of the whole game. I did see one redacted part, a couple different those.
That seems,

Speaker 1 it's all

Speaker 1 love that. It's a wild time to be alive right now.
It is a wild time to be alive right now. Let's move along back to the NFL.
AP Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Lombo, the big story in in the NFL right now is what Aaron Rodgers is going to do.

Speaker 2 There was news on that today that the Vikings potentially do not or are not expecting Aaron Rodgers to be their quarterback because they're going with J.J. McCarthy.

Speaker 2 Now, if you are the GM of the Giants, Joe Shane, or the Steelers, Omar Khan, are you okay with just sitting back and seeing what Aaron wants to do? Or is there like a drop dead date?

Speaker 2 Like, hey, by the draft, we need to know. If you're one of the GM of those teams, what are you saying to Aaron?

Speaker 5 Well, I think

Speaker 5 everything about when you put a timeline on it is do you have leverage? Right. Because you really don't have a timeline when you don't have any leverage, right?

Speaker 5 And so, like, where's Pittsburgh going to get their next quarterback? I mean, I don't know. I mean, you know,

Speaker 5 they certainly can't think where they pick in the draft. They're going to find a guy who's going to come in and start for them.
Right.

Speaker 5 And so I know they signed Mason Rudolph back, and certainly they don't think that he's, you know, they had him once. Maybe they think they can be the backup, but they lost two quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 They don't seem to have any inclination to want to sign Russell Wilson back. So that to me is you can only have a timeline when you have another option, when you have an answer.

Speaker 5 And you say, look, I need an answer here. I'm going to sign player Y.

Speaker 5 Or I need an answer here. I'm going in this direction.
I mean, it's the same thing that happens in college football, in the portal, and in high school recruiting. Look, here's our offer.

Speaker 5 If you don't take this offer, I'm taking somebody else down the street because there is somebody else. But when there's nobody else down the street, you just got to sit back and wait.

Speaker 1 Mason Rudolph, please, is back in Pittsburgh. Dog.
Okay, please understand that. And

Speaker 1 you like Aaron with the Pittsburgh Steelers?

Speaker 5 I think if Aaron went with Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 5 Now, look, I know Atlanta paid Kirk Cousins too, so I think he probably is in this conversation because I can't believe, even though they paid him the $10 million to be on the roster, that they wouldn't do something with him to move the contract.

Speaker 5 So I think that certainly is. I know there's a lot of fanfare around Joe Milton and how he's going to be traded, but nobody really knows if Milton can play.

Speaker 5 I think if you're Pittsburgh and you've added this receiving core, DK Metcalf, and to go along with George Pickens and Firemuth and to have some really talented offensive players, I think you're going to have to find somebody to come in and play right away.

Speaker 5 I would think they want to. I think they want an answer on Aaron, and I think they're going to have to wait as long as Aaron wants to decide.

Speaker 1 AJ, how long is he waiting?

Speaker 12 Got me, man. That's why I was curious to see if there was a deadline, but it seems like there's not really.

Speaker 5 I don't know how there can be because if I'm the agent, let's just type it, let's play this through.

Speaker 5 If you call me up and I tell Aaron, you know, I need a deadline, Aaron's going to say, well, who are you going to go with? Like, who's my competition? Like, who are you going with?

Speaker 5 You know, if you wanted to sign Russell Wilson back, you already would have done that. If you wanted to trade it for Kirk Cousins, I'm sure you probably could have done that by now.

Speaker 5 So I think that's what you have to look at. Look, everything's a negotiation and everything's about leverage.
Where is the leverage point?

Speaker 1 It's on a beach in California right now, seems like.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there's a chance.

Speaker 1 There's a chance he doesn't play, too. Exactly.
Right? AJ, that's still a thing or no?

Speaker 12 That's definitely still. I don't think that's a possibility, but it is.
Yeah, I'm sure it is.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you are still steadfast that he's playing ball game. You? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, I want to let you know, me, over like the last 24 hours, for some reason, I'm like, what if this guy just retires? Like, that is just because of kind of how it's all played out publicly.

Speaker 1 And once again, Aaron has said nothing. Aaron has said absolutely nothing.
There's been, I think Schefter put something out from those close to Aaron. It's like, that's not real.
That's not

Speaker 1 like we love Shefty and maybe there is somebody of notable that is giving this information, but that could be completely false too.

Speaker 1 Like that is, you know, just from, and AJ, I need you to like kind of co-sign this, but for like the last five years, we've been a part of this, you know, in the offseason.

Speaker 1 And it's like, there's how many people that know probably what's going on? Two?

Speaker 1 There's maybe. Maybe.
That's Lombo. Yeah.
Lombo's not even in there. Lombo understands.
AJ's like maybe in the group of the people that knows. And it's like a tight little group.

Speaker 1 So it's like, what if he does run?

Speaker 5 When it comes to Aaron, I tend to not listen to. I think part of the job of being an NFL executive is to understand what to listen to and what not.

Speaker 5 And all the people that do this for a living, that do scoop, you know, there is a stat sheet, you know, there is a stat sheet you have to keep and you've got to pay attention.

Speaker 5 You know, if somebody says X about Y, whether it's the place, you believe it. But if they say it about something else, we're in the lying season now in the NFL.
I mean, we're in draft season.

Speaker 5 Everybody lies. I mean, everybody, how many times have we gone through this guy's hot? He's going to move up the draft boards.
And then he's sitting there in the green room forever.

Speaker 5 So I think you have to really pay attention and grade the guys that are giving out information because you got to know whether you could trust it or not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got to pay attention to those doing the scoop. Yeah, exactly.
We do got to pay attention. Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Lambo, when you were with us last in Indy, all the reports came out that said, hey, listen, the North Carolina Tar Heels, they're going to be doing, you know, hard knocks, off-season type deal.

Speaker 4 And you basically said right away, like, yeah, I'm not so sure about that. We haven't signed off on that.
That probably, you know, isn't going to happen. Will and behold, it's not happening.

Speaker 4 Was that something that you guys decided? Was that a university decision? Like, how did that come to be?

Speaker 4 Because ultimately, like, I think all of us were thinking, like, that would have been pretty awesome to watch you guys. Yeah,

Speaker 5 it would have been great.

Speaker 5 The problem was that, you know, we we control the story we need to tell here and the story we want to tell isn't doesn't end after we play tcu the story that we want to tell is a story about how we're rebuilding this program how we're going to honor the great players who have come before us how we're going to restore Tar Heel football and make this stadium come alive on Saturday afternoons like a lot of other schools in the ACC.

Speaker 5 That's the story we want to tell. And when it stops after the first game like Hard Knox does, and it doesn't really do us any good to tell that story.

Speaker 5 And that really was the concern that we all had here in the building was we're storytellers. When you let them in your building, we're going to tell a story.

Speaker 5 And the story we want to tell was about how we're working to build this program. And we're going to work hard to recruit and do all that.
And that extends into September, October, and November.

Speaker 5 It can't stop at Labor Day. And I think that was more of the issue.

Speaker 5 Now, we obviously, there was a lot of misinformation, mostly from somebody who runs a website, as we all know, and who's never gotten it right. But that's okay.
He keeps writing it.

Speaker 5 And we'll continue to not listen to what he says because he has no sources and life goes on. But I think that's what I was trying to allude to on that day.
Pat, you're shaking your head.

Speaker 5 You enjoy that, right?

Speaker 1 I knew. Yeah, I knew.
Yeah, we knew. Yeah, yeah.
I knew we were going to this place, too.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was as you were rolling because the day we asked you the question question about it, it was just assumed like, yeah, this is happening, especially with Bill Belichick's relationship with NFL Films.

Speaker 1 He was living there. Like, it felt like.

Speaker 1 So it was just like a matter of fact almost. And we all love the off-season hard knocks.
So I think people got excited about this being a thing. And then boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 1 And then you come on our show and it's like,

Speaker 1 I don't know about that yet. And nobody even listened to you.
Nobody even listened to you.

Speaker 5 No, and then it got extended. Then it all of a sudden it became the NFL was mad at at

Speaker 5 Bill because he was doing hard knocks. Remember that story that came out?

Speaker 1 Yeah. All this shit goes.
It's like a half truth. All these things are like half truths.
And then they get sent out and they become, this is the actual tale.

Speaker 1 You were like, we are definitely talking to the NFL films people. We're talking to a lot of people though, because we have something special here.
We understand that, but nothing's been agreed to.

Speaker 1 But that's like the world that we're in. And then the reporting of you guys not doing it was like in a turn.
It's like, this was never a turn.

Speaker 1 This was never a decision that was made. It was just falsely being reported as such.
That happens to

Speaker 1 a lot of people and a lot of things on the internet these days.

Speaker 5 I think Hard Knox is great, and we love everybody in NFL Films. Ken Rogers, I mean, they're tremendous, and they've been great to us and to Bill.

Speaker 5 But I think to me, it's really about what story do we want to tell, right? And we wanted to tell a full story of our year, and we still are in talks about telling that story.

Speaker 5 And eventually we'll sign a contract that has that story involved. But that's what we need to tell because remember, we're recruiting every day.

Speaker 5 You know, Al Davis used to tell me this all the time, Pat, he said, you know, when you talk, and of course he said you shouldn't talk very much, but when you do talk, you have three people you're talking to.

Speaker 5 You're talking to the owner, you're talking to the team, and you're talking to the fans. And when we talk here at North Carolina, we're recruiting.
We're recruiting to our fan base.

Speaker 5 We're recruiting young prospective players, and we're recruiting to our alumni. And so those are the three things we have to center on every single day.
And that's our audience.

Speaker 5 Our audience isn't doing something that's out of the and I don't want to, you know, hard knocks is always the sad story about the guy getting cut that had a chance.

Speaker 5 And it's very teardropping and, you know, all that. But that's not our story.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it might take a year.
You know, it might take a lot longer than just an offseason to flip a culture or to build a team.

Speaker 1 And also, whenever we inevitably see that docuseries over the next couple years,

Speaker 1 people are going to watch because you guys are absolute GOATs down there. Tell Bubba Cunningham, okay,

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 we know what he did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he knows. And he knows what he did.
And

Speaker 5 that's not fair. That's not fair.

Speaker 5 Let's talk about San Diego State. We kicked their butt last night.
That was good.

Speaker 1 I know. I know.
You guys killed him. It wasn't even close to a game.
No, they're a button.

Speaker 5 It wasn't either.

Speaker 1 15 minutes left. Lombo, Lombo, literally, if you listen to everybody talking about it too, you know, it was like,

Speaker 1 it shouldn't be in a a tournament, but will they beat San Diego State? Everybody, yep. Yeah, they definitely will.

Speaker 5 I mean, like, we got no respect for, I mean, look, the Duke game, the last Duke game was the poor kid jumped in the lane. We had a chance to win that game.
True.

Speaker 5 You know, now, I know they didn't have their best player, but we had a chance to win that game. I mean, you play Duke even like that.

Speaker 5 Throw a little respect on him, please.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, the quality one wings don't have enough. Yeah, we're not talking about the boys.
We're just talking about the boys.

Speaker 5 Oh, God, here we go. All right.

Speaker 1 Now, with that being said, it would be awesome if North Carolina went on a run.

Speaker 5 It would be when we get to the Sweet 16, I'll be back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm sure. And I watched you guys deliver pizza to the women's basketball team.
Feels like you guys are supporting everybody down there.

Speaker 5 I'm going Saturday night.

Speaker 5 Hopefully, we can beat Oregon State, and then I'm going to go Monday. I'm telling you, you got to bring the crew with you to come down here to see Carmichael.
There's nothing better.

Speaker 1 I don't know if a lot of people at UNC want us down there right now. You know, we're going to let the streets pull off a little bit.
Sure. The streets will cool off a little bit.

Speaker 1 But inevitably, we will come and see that beautiful campus and we can't thank you enough for joining us Lombo thanks guys always good thank you much have a great practice ladies and gentlemen general manager of the UNC Tar Heels multiple time Super Bowl champion Michael Lombardi

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Speaker 13 They killed San Diego State.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep.
It was really a game for like five.

Speaker 12 Their first half shooting, like, did they miss in the first half?

Speaker 1 No, and they're pulling up from the logo, too. It was like

Speaker 1 everything was.

Speaker 12 But yeah, of course they did. Like when you, like you said, when you think about everything going on, like they had to.
They had no choice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're a competitor at all, you were just literally called out by every person outside of your state. It's like, how do you respond? Well, it turns out they just, they get 27-point win.

Speaker 1 That's what they decide to do.

Speaker 3 Now they're

Speaker 3 scorching hot in March, too. Like, you talk about getting those nerves out first game.

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Speaker 3 Now, now all the pressure's on all miss.

Speaker 1 Yeah, literally, everybody hates us, huh? Is that right? Okay, we're not supposed to be here.

Speaker 1 Okay, what a rally for like a team like UNC, who obviously has all the big recruits, you know, just needs something maybe to get them kind of aligned.

Speaker 1 We're part of it. We're part of the problem.
That's on us. Yeah, we might have woke them up.

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Speaker 1 And if a car is just floating somewhere, it's like, well, we don't, you actually got to,

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Gotta. Gotta do the whole.
Yeah. Doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 No, that being said every time I'm there. Yeah, where's the title?

Speaker 1 That's the... Doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 It's tough. That's the question.

Speaker 1 Potentially left in truck that was delivered, you know.

Speaker 1 So then where's

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot that is happening.

Speaker 3 Legitimately just floating out there.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we've learned that all in a, in a period of time here.
And

Speaker 1 I'll say this, the way that truck looks is

Speaker 1 the coolest. So nice.
The strongest, the meanest, the cleanest, the most like comfortable looking ride, but also rugged. You know, it has like a good build to it.

Speaker 1 The front end has like a like a pie to it that you want, but it's not too much. You know, some of those front ends, a little bit too much.

Speaker 1 Has some plus the ride, which I guess we are lucky that we, you know, only close commuted there. Yeah.
Didn't do much with that thing. Heat now, it turns out, it's fucking perfect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're up there. The amenities, beautiful.
We're talking everything. And

Speaker 1 Ram trucks are a beautiful truck. Wasn't into the Ram trucks.
Didn't know about the Ram trucks until we get introduced through this particular partnership with them.

Speaker 1 I think inside is like, damn, Ram's got a good truck. That thing's a great truck.
Got a good truck, yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, if we are allowed to drive it, I am thinking about going over to Dayton to watch the Johnnies on Saturday.

Speaker 3 I looked on SeatGeek and the tickets were so cheap, it was like, okay, maybe we do go over, support Rick Petino.

Speaker 1 Quick drive.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's really only like an hour and a half. Yes.
Might be worth just going over and catching some of those games.

Speaker 1 I think, if I do recall, because we went to a play-in game at the Daytona or Dayton Arena, I think. I think it was when Vanderbilt was playing because a kid from Plum was on Vandy.

Speaker 1 So they were in a play-in game, I think, at Dayton. Was that in Dayton? Do we remember? Yeah, it's always at Dayton.
So it was at Dayton or whatever. Yes.
So hot in that gym. It was like a,

Speaker 1 it was a hot, hotter day, I guess. And we were sitting in the gym.
All I remember is just sweating like profusely, but it was electrifying. Like it was an electrifying environment.

Speaker 1 Everybody's kind of in there. It had an old school feel, like you were mentioning.
And it feels like it's a great tradition. You have not experienced it yet, right?

Speaker 3 No, I have not. And as I say that, I now know that the Johnnies are playing in Providence, Rhode Island.

Speaker 1 I was gonna say, so a little bit farther away. A little farther from driving.
I don't think you should be driving this one, but okay, all right, all right, good to know, good to know.

Speaker 1 That many state lines, yeah.

Speaker 1 That truck's going to Weston anyway. Yeah, can't you see?

Speaker 12 Gwen Powell's a big Ram truck guy.

Speaker 1 Yep, yeah, he's in the commercial, commercial,

Speaker 12 yeah. He's commercial a lot.

Speaker 1 Started with Twisters, he is, yeah, if you can feel it.

Speaker 1 You chase it. You chase it.
Damn right.

Speaker 1 Damn right.

Speaker 1 What's Glenn Powell doing? Everything big?

Speaker 4 Yep. Yeah, he's got a couple big-time movies coming out, a couple remakes.

Speaker 3 And they're all going to do well.

Speaker 4 Yeah, one of them is, you know, just Timeless Classic that Arnold was the main

Speaker 4 character of, and he's reprising the role in the Terminator? No, the running man. It's going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 Awesome. He's so chiming.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 So handsome.

Speaker 1 So cool. So jacked.
He's a guy. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 And that Chad Powers series is coming out at some point soon here, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 Congrats to all of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 all right let's get out of here let's enjoy here's upcoming here's upcoming projects for glenn powell the running man huntington chad powers the natural order untitled jj at abrams project what's that

Speaker 4 jj abrams is a big time big time director producer in hollywood that'll be like you know some action sci-fi type deal monsanto

Speaker 4 Monsanto, isn't that that was like some big

Speaker 1 company.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, there was like a big lawsuit or something.

Speaker 1 So maybe that could be, I don't know, maybe like a courtroom drama or something. Young attorney Brett Weisner takes on a case against Monsanto on behalf of groundskeeper Dwayne Lee Johnson.
Do we?

Speaker 1 Who used the company's weed killer roundup and developed cancer.

Speaker 1 Despite Monsanto's toxicologist testifying to Roundup Safety, this is Iowa?

Speaker 4 Monsanto, is it in Iowa? It might be. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 I think I watched like a documentary on these seeds, and I don't know if it was cancer seeds or if the seeds were blowing into other people's property.

Speaker 4 That's the one you talked about with Christopher Walking, and it was in like Canada, I think, right crazy yeah i i the seed game

Speaker 1 is wild because these people had a patent on the seed basically and the seed was obviously something that wasn't fresh natural you get it blows into somebody else's farm they were looking to take that because it's their seed and it became a big old yeah yeah because they oh they owned everything and like the surrounding areas then since it was their seeds that were just getting scattered everywhere yeah

Speaker 3 the farming world's a wild one crazy well we're doing this stuff with shows too the uh terminalist next series is coming out, I believe, very soon here, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jackar.

Speaker 1 And did he write a book? Where's Bill? I think it was a new book, too, that Jack Carr?

Speaker 3 Yeah, a new book coming after. I believe he finished it.

Speaker 1 I saw a post recently.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I saw a post, too. I just know the Terminalist series is based off, I believe this is the prequel one of Chris Pratt's brother in

Speaker 3 Taylor Kish, who's in the first season as well.

Speaker 1 The explosive next thriller from Jack Carr, Try Havoc.

Speaker 1 You can order now. Does that mean it's available now, now, or is it pre-order?

Speaker 2 Probably pre-order, I would assume. These newer ones, they just keep getting scarier, though.

Speaker 1 You mean he gets better and better? Well, he's getting more accurate.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it's more of like what's happening right now.

Speaker 1 Realer and realer. Yeah, he did an AI one, didn't he? Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 China.

Speaker 3 Yeah. CCP.

Speaker 1 Is that his most recent?

Speaker 3 I believe Red Sky Morning was the AI.

Speaker 14 Yeah, the most recent was China was developing a counter intelligence to counter our intelligence.

Speaker 1 And then they started talking without without humans, right? And then you talk about, if I remember, it's like, well, who tells the missiles to react to a missile? Yeah. And is there any...

Speaker 14 There's a big part of it where our AI is kind of integrated with our

Speaker 14 missile control and our Navy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Spoilers. And what's this one here?

Speaker 14 This one is about his father that was also a Navy SEAL and the original Navy SEALs.

Speaker 14 Well, Beirut.

Speaker 14 is one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I'm talking about the cry havoc is about his dad and like leading the Vietnam SEAL missions.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the Beirut is the non-fiction true story that he was talking about that he was writing. So that's legitimate.

Speaker 1 And all these other ones are fiction, which I think of as fake.

Speaker 1 Non-fiction, not fake.

Speaker 1 Fiction, fake.

Speaker 1 But all of his

Speaker 1 fake fiction ones seemingly all have, you know, because of who he is, what he's done, it's hard not to be like, oh, this guy.

Speaker 1 is potentially mixing a little reality and like all I assume storytellers are.

Speaker 14 And it seems like they're filming a bunch of the series for Amazon back-to-back here, like the ones coming out in summer about the prequel, about Ben, his buddy that was in the SEALs from the original Terminalist series.

Speaker 14 And then they're doing the second season of Terminalist after the prequel.

Speaker 1 Bill is one of Jack Carr's biggest fans. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Bill cited a...

Speaker 1 sighted a baby gun for uh he did for jack car

Speaker 1 perfectly right on the money real scope and fake gun doesn't really

Speaker 1 have two for two yeah you really did it.

Speaker 5 It works.

Speaker 1 You handed it over to him. I think it's.

Speaker 1 Turns out you give that guy a state fair gun. One that has the barrel like this.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hands off.
Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 1 There's a level. There's levels to this thing.
That had to feel so good for him just to get back in there and snipe the hell out of Arthur

Speaker 1 official.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 AI was a

Speaker 1 psycho. He was going to blow up the world.
Yeah, thank God for Jackard.

Speaker 1 Thank God.

Speaker 1 Freaking nuclear bomb that he slammed to the table.

Speaker 1 He did.

Speaker 1 I saw that. And when I was watching.

Speaker 12 No way, that's real. He wouldn't slam that down.
No way.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that was just a good scene.

Speaker 1 The scene, what do you mean? That was spy pass. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 That was reality, brother.

Speaker 12 Who was Kim Jong-un? Someone was Kim Jong-un. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 12 That was Kim.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Was it Kim Jong-un? No, that's kind of fun.

Speaker 3 That was Kim Jong-un.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I don't remember if that was Kim Jong-un. I don't know.
That might have just been, might have just been somebody else.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, really? Oh.

Speaker 1 No. I don't know.

Speaker 1 It was pretty real, though. It was Kim.
Thank God Jack Carr still got it, though. That's the best in the business.
He was just there.

Speaker 1 He sensed it.

Speaker 1 Knew it was coming.

Speaker 1 If people knew how impressive that actually was,

Speaker 1 I don't think it gets talked about enough in the shooting community. I don't know.

Speaker 1 i know everybody talks about west virginia winning the rifle ever since we hear everybody everybody does it everybody can't go anywhere

Speaker 1 yeah amen if you're good hey you got a good shot you need to come to west virginia that's a mountaineer right there we need you we got you and the americans need better representation in the sniper talk remember yeah we watched those trained killers at the olympics yeah that's right with the one eye and the side because all of ours are actually out there

Speaker 1 yeah well whenever you retire you need to go on a gold medal hunt these uh jack carrot needs to go out there he does and represent the United States of American Olympics.

Speaker 1 Or somebody from West Virginia, obviously. But

Speaker 1 him shooting this, I mean,

Speaker 1 moving target,

Speaker 1 the gun did not have enough power to actually be able to aim anything. So he had to have adjusted.
He had to be shooting above head and then just never did the shot, nothing like that.

Speaker 1 From up there, there's the gun right there. Obviously, saved the world.
Right, you jack. Which is is pretty cool.
But from that perch all the way down to the ground, I mean, it was like

Speaker 1 probably a quarter mile. You can't really tell.

Speaker 2 I didn't hit a soup can at two miles.

Speaker 1 Dude, he just, it was unbelievable. Straight, boom, right off the head.
What a shot. Thank God it happened.
Thank you, Jack.

Speaker 3 Thank God. Buddy George is there.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's put up some shots for a giveaway.
And

Speaker 12 that's Jar Cor.

Speaker 1 There it is. Here, run the whole thing.
Let's just watch the whole thing. Let's just watch the whole thing.

Speaker 1 You haven't seen this in a long time.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 2 Isaac Fischel, the world's AI authority, has summoned the Earth's most influential doofuses for an emergency meeting about the terrifying powers of artificial intelligence. Antonio Margheriti

Speaker 2 from Bitcoin.

Speaker 1 Vladimir Borobushnakovsky. That looks like Vlad.

Speaker 1 Top Fox. Jack

Speaker 12 You're a fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 Jim.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 We catch up with them mid-dinner as Artie Fish tries his dandest to get the influencer's attention.

Speaker 1 Jim, okay?

Speaker 1 Yes, that'll work.

Speaker 1 Great service.

Speaker 1 Square him.

Speaker 3 Let's get down to brass tax, boys.

Speaker 1 The real reason we're here.

Speaker 1 AI is uh it's a problem.

Speaker 3 It's gonna kill us all

Speaker 1 It's hard to take you serious with the way you're facing for now.

Speaker 15 I mean you look like a fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about?

Speaker 14 Oh, the only thing artificial is those fucking balls you call balls.

Speaker 1 You looked absolutely absurd. You guys don't understand.

Speaker 3 You're not listening to me, okay? I'm wearing this because AI can hear your thoughts. They can get into your brain, guys.

Speaker 6 You ain't got no fucking brain.

Speaker 1 Murder. Once again, struggling to take anything you say serious.
My team told me I should come to this. You look like a joke.
He looks like a joke.

Speaker 15 Like an absolute jerk on.

Speaker 1 Does this look like a joke? Huh? That's a nuclear bomb.

Speaker 3 Nah, and that's fake.

Speaker 15 Fucking Batman puts marbles in plastic.

Speaker 1 You need a boom, I think. You guys are listening.

Speaker 1 This right here.

Speaker 1 AIK

Speaker 1 nuclear bomb.

Speaker 1 Told me the only way to save this screwed-up world is to blow it up.

Speaker 3 This guy awake,

Speaker 1 idiot. Wake up, that one.
You wouldn't hit somebody with the nigga. No, yeah, fuck it.
No, don't you worry. This one is foolproof.
I doubt it.

Speaker 15 I brought it here, boys.

Speaker 3 Not just for show. What?

Speaker 1 Because I'm gonna blow up the world right now.

Speaker 1 Holy shit!

Speaker 1 That's That's Jack Carr!

Speaker 2 Turns out, that was an actual nuclear bomb.

Speaker 2 Arthur Isaac Fischel was going to blow the entire world up, and Jack Carr saved us all. It was his actual first shot, and Artie Fish is actually dead.

Speaker 1 Forever.

Speaker 2 Thank the Lord that Jack Carr sensed trouble. His new book, which is the sixth installment of the Terminalist series, Owners are dead, is currently available at all bookstores.
You should buy it.

Speaker 2 As you just watched, he saved the world.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah, Jack Carr.

Speaker 6 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
Look at Jack Carr. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 It was an actual nuclear bomb, brother. Yep.

Speaker 12 No, it said it right on it. No.
That's what they all do.

Speaker 1 And the narrator confirmed it. Yep.
Yeah. Who also looked was a waiter? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Good waiters.

Speaker 1 He knew what he was doing. He was there, so he could tell the the story.
He was the only one. Nobody would believe because he was the only one there.
Man, I haven't watched that in a long time.

Speaker 1 In a long time. All right.
On that note, let's go to Marsh Baddon. Hell yeah.
Thank

Speaker 1 Jack R. Love you, Jack R.
You an opportunity to say thanks to Jack R. You go ahead and do it.
Because

Speaker 1 as it said, like AJ noted, and I forgot that detail, that that was just

Speaker 1 right on the side. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How do we get the point across here? Right there. Just write it.

Speaker 1 Arthur Fischel was probably just misunderstood.

Speaker 2 Like he was just nervous. Because didn't he come back as a drone and try to take showdowns?

Speaker 1 No, that was. I don't know if that would be a good idea.
We still know who that is. Jackor saved the world there then, too.

Speaker 3 Yeah, still not sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we don't know what happened there.

Speaker 2 I thought narrator, I guess not.

Speaker 1 All right, have a great March of Madness. We hope you guys

Speaker 1 win all your bets.

Speaker 3 Right? Let's go underdogs.

Speaker 1 Not all of them. You're betting all the underdogs.

Speaker 3 Betting all the underdogs again, yes. Own two so far.

Speaker 1 Money line.

Speaker 3 Money line, just, that's all you can really do. It's more fun that way, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 And then you really, you know, you have a dog in every fight, and it is the dog. And let me just tell you, when that dog hunts, it is the greatest feeling in the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah, last year you were up, right?

Speaker 3 After the first, yeah, the first four days, Thursday to Sunday, this first weekend, is where it's like, hey, do strictly own the underdogs.

Speaker 3 After the first weekend, do whatever you want because typically it does kind of fall off a cliff a little.

Speaker 1 But it can get...

Speaker 3 We're up like 16 units last

Speaker 3 year.

Speaker 1 But you're going to have bad times. Yeah, you will have bad times.

Speaker 3 But remember, like, there's a chance that only one underdog wins tomorrow on Thursday, but that underdog might be plus 800.

Speaker 3 So you're up 200 bucks for the day if you're betting 100 bucks on every game.

Speaker 1 The madness that we speak of is normally when underdogs upset somebody. And when that happens, you're not only celebrating the moment, but you're also cashing in.
That has been your go here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, last March Madness was the most fun March Madness I've ever had in my entire life. So this is probably going to be my go-to move going forward with March Madness.

Speaker 1 And there's a chance you lose your ass this year.

Speaker 3 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 There's a chance you lose in gambling. There's a chance you lose your ass.

Speaker 3 Always a chance. But like I said, I would very strongly suggest doing it for the first weekend at least.
And then, you know, you.

Speaker 1 If you're going to do it and only bet the amount that you're willing to lose. Yes.
Of course.

Speaker 1 I lost so much money gambling on March Madness the last few years.

Speaker 3 Not this year.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to lose this year. Not this year.
Not this year.

Speaker 1 Selective, AJ. We're not picking every.

Speaker 1 We don't need to pick every you don't need to have every game you know look connor's doing every game the underdog that's his he's just doing the underdog you have to to end up on top because if you don't

Speaker 1 miss one yeah if you miss one then you're just the biggest asshole see i did it with con man and i took the 16 seeds off because those are pretty much a guarantee they're gonna lose and that was very very helpful pretty much until until what until it happened well it's like whenever you bet the thing on blackjack that the three card showing will be a straight flush or whatever bingo what happened yeah you hit it i hit it in New Orleans.

Speaker 1 And you were on it? Yeah. I was on it.
Oh, what a moment.

Speaker 3 So you tell me it was $750.

Speaker 1 Welcome to the jungle. Somebody else could have won that.
They didn't bet it. Yeah, it's what we do here.
No, other people do bet it every single time, never get it.

Speaker 1 You know, that was a lot of people dying in that casino. Yeah.
Yeah. That casino was

Speaker 1 blasting shits.

Speaker 3 Without a doubt.

Speaker 1 That casino knew what was happening. Super Bowl.
A lot of people here. Let's have our fucking best shit.
They did. The cards were like, this is our weekend.
We do this. We do that.

Speaker 1 You come to our city.

Speaker 1 It's a home game for the cards.

Speaker 1 And also the dice. I saw the dice.
They linked up with the cards as well.

Speaker 1 They're like, hey, listen, we're going to have a good weekend here. We're going to beat them.
We're going to beat them. Dealers going, oh, fuck.

Speaker 3 Yeah, sorry. Sorry.

Speaker 1 Sorry. Arm's getting tired, actually.

Speaker 3 Take that.

Speaker 1 A lot of tricep work here.

Speaker 1 A lot of pushing. Out of this way.

Speaker 1 That was life down there. For me, at least.

Speaker 12 I mean, that's a week. That's a gigantic week for that casino.
Think about it. They have to win.

Speaker 1 They did. Yeah, and yeah.
I guess that's how they viewed it too. Yeah.
Yeah. Yep.
There's some casinos that we thought were givers. That was one of them.
Take them off the board. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the Jacks casino? Cleveland? Cleveland. Cleveland.
Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Smiles coming out of that casino.

Speaker 1 That's what you need to judge. Smiles coming out.
When you're walking in, go ahead and give a little look-see at everybody leaving. What's their mood?

Speaker 1 They just all fucking lost. Okay.

Speaker 1 We're donating to the city today. That's what your thoughts are going in.
Now, now you got your expectations. People smiling, coming out, jovial group.
Okay, maybe the casino is giving today.

Speaker 1 And that's just kind of how it goes, AJ.

Speaker 12 It's good to know.

Speaker 12 I did not look at people coming out of the New Orleans casino when we were going in, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people are looking at me, though. I think when I'm my way out there, we were the first ones in.
That was the problem. In the afternoon, yeah, that's what we were doing.

Speaker 1 We were the ones that set the tone on what the day is going to be like for other people. It's all us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were.

Speaker 1 Are we eating or what? Yeah. That's it.

Speaker 1 Getting the

Speaker 1 a 430 dinner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, do we have any reservations here? I thought this was gonna go a lot better and we're all walking out phones. Yeah, it's classic casino stuff.
All right, this goes in roll winning.

Speaker 1 Oh no,

Speaker 1 it's close.

Speaker 1 This one.

Speaker 1 Oh no. That's international game, yeah.

Speaker 1 The thing about the international ball is it slips off the pinky. It's a slick ball.

Speaker 2 That's because Europeans don't have pinkies.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You got one under the...

Speaker 1 Oh, this is what I was supposed to be the whole time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Bang!

Speaker 1 Didn't make it to the hoop one time.

Speaker 1 It's all right.

Speaker 1 Hey, I got one here. I got one here.
Bonus. Yeah, yeah.
Good eye. Good eye.
This is for the good of all of us here.

Speaker 1 Do you want to step into it? Here. Yeah, just go ahead and feed.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Nice.
Bang.

Speaker 1 Bam. Oh, my God.
Still didn't make it.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm not betting this weekend. Okay.
Next week. See you guys on Monday.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'll have the next week. What I just did has nothing to do with any of you.
Don't you worry about that, obviously. Sure.
Okay, have a great March Madness. Boys in the back, great work this week.

Speaker 3 Good work, boys.

Speaker 1 Graphic, boys, good work this week.

Speaker 2 Good work, boys.

Speaker 1 To all our guests, thank you so much for your time. We did a lot of college basketball.
Obviously, I feel like we know more than we've ever known in the past going into the tournament.

Speaker 1 A lot of football talk, a lot of narratives, a lot of rumors, a lot of stories. And we'll continue to talk about very topical things happening in the world every single day.

Speaker 1 If something trends for 24 hours, it's probably going to get chatted about. Got to do it.

Speaker 1 And that's what it's like doing

Speaker 1 daily sports, daily show. And tomorrow we're off, Friday we're off.
And we're going to go watch these games just like everybody else. Enjoy it.
Be a friend.

Speaker 1 Tell a friend something nice about changing their life. We're in this thing together.
Team on me. Team on three.
One, two, three. Team.
Goodbye.

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