PMS 2.0 1311 - The Madness Continues, Daniel Jeremiah, John Calipari, Michael Lombardi, & AJ Hawk

Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this March Madness Eve Wednesday, March 19th, 2025. This program starts now.
Madness! It's on the horizon and boy, it has already happened. Last night, two play-in games in the first one that kicked off the entire March Madness, the entire NCAA tournament.
Who's going to punch their ticket to be able to dance with everybody else? Well, it started with St. Francis and Alabama State, and it was electrifying.
Big shot after big shot, big defensive stand. There was a couple like can't dribble a basketball moments, but that is going to happen in college hoops.
And inevitably, the game ended with a Hail Mary from Alabama State. 68- 68 68 st francis ties it you're gonna win uh-uh hail mary full of grace to take down a catholic school 0.7 seconds left 70 68 in the entire tournament started off with a bang it was a fun watch lefkoe was in his bag last night it's be great to watch him from the tournament headquarters.
Can't wait to see him navigate through all the different storylines. And then North Carolina, the team that shouldn't have got in.
Okay? You're talking quad one wins or not. Bubba Cunningham, their athletic director.
Isn't that convenient? He's the head of the selection committee. Isn't that interesting? You think he's got any shape? Do you think they want to make him happy well i was there in the room whenever it happened okay west virginia gets screwed so bad their coach actually just gets poached to indiana university western is in a bad spot men's basketball women's basketball look out west virginia women are about to go and win this and they're actually playing tbd that's how good they are yeah they don't know who they're playing against they don't even know who they're playing against you got to be good to not even know who you're playing against that's a west virginia women's basketball team men's basketball team screwed by the selection committee and then a coach leaves with their kid okay that's good now indiana obviously is a basketball haven a place that is historically known for hoops i mean this state loves basketball now that's why kurt signetti goes down there wins in football, and everybody that's an IU fan goes, we didn't even know this was possible.
We're a basketball team. We're a basketball state.
We're a basketball school. We haven't gone anywhere really of importance in basketball in a while.
This football team comes in and ignites a fan base that has been waiting to go crazy for sports. Now they bring in DeVries, and I'm going to say this.
He is maybe public enemy number one right now at West Virginia. Bubba Cunningham kind of got jot down a bit.
DeVries is now public enemy number one. That's going to happen.
This guy became the head coach of West Virginia less than a year ago. I met him at Rich Rod's press conference.
He was a cool dude. He was a good conversation.
I thought he was going to do some special things with West Virginia, and obviously him saying that it was going to take something special for him to leave uh drake to to go to west virginia and his opening press conference to talk about building something special and all that type of stuff and then leaving after one year especially with what just happened by the ncaa uh to the west virginia basketball team and how western people are feeling to begin with not very well received in the state of west virginia you know and governor morris he's thinking about suing uh you know maybe indiana for a little tampering because there was a twitter account on march 12th 2025 iu anonymous uh twitter account that says i use already got a deal done with their next coach media follow-up tweet it's the breeze media follow-up he's already in transfer portal now that could be all bullshit. That could be somebody just taking a shot in the dark.
But there were stories and agendas being pushed last night from the West Virginia people that are making this guy an enemy. Okay, this DeVries guy is an enemy in West Virginia.
With that being said, this guy's a really good ball coach, which is why everybody in West Virginia is so mad. The West Virginia basketball situation has been has been a revolving door you know so to even be in a position to potentially get screwed in the biggest snub in the history of the tournament i think western jane people are like we're going in the right hey this is going in the right direction with the right guy so the reason why they hate him so bad is because of how good of a coach this guy is and uh you know the more you think about it especially with this boy coming down here still has a year eligibility didn't play a lot this year hold on people talking about that interesting he's a he's a player he's a damn good player and you think about the way he coaches the way he operates the way he talks it's like i think indiana fans are really gonna like this guy with that being said, North Carolina shouldn't have got in.
But everybody that was talking on the television on Selection Sunday said North Carolina should not be in this tournament. After the bracket got released, they see who they're playing.
They go, they are going to beat this other team, though, that is certainly in there. And they did.
I mean, they won by 27 last night. West Virginia would have won by 28 but uh north carolina didn't make this thing close at any point and i assume and we talked about this earlier with talks of table at ty schmidt at boston connor the san diego state aztecs basketball team was probably a bit frustrated not only this program but a governor of a state oh yeah how everybody was kind of talking about it yeah you assume the aztecs are the team that's looking around like, hey, do we have to do this right now? Maybe we wait until it's the Elite Eight or something for all the bitching and moaning for the UNC Tar Heels getting in because they're the ones that had to deal with it.
They're the ones that had to deal with UNC not being able to miss a shot. It's not like San Diego State stinks at all.
Cesbig thing yesterday was, hey, look out. San Diego State can play defense.
UNC put 95 on them. So can they play defense? Probably.
But unfortunately for San Diego State, the entire country basically told UNC they still kept basketball. And UNC said, is that right? And we're going to go out and score 95 points in one of the nation's best defenses.
And now, personally, I'm going to have to go back. I typically write my brackets in pen.
I don't with this UNC team. They're probably going to go to the Elite Eight Final Four.
Shit, they might win the national championship. Who comes bigger for UNC? And obviously, we're part of that.
Sorry. That is on us.
It is 100% on us.

With that notion there, they're a hungry team.

They shot better than I've ever seen.

This North Carolina team might be a team that you don't want to dance with. Sure.

So I wonder what the West Virginia team would have done.

Cool.

Because if you start talking about quad one wins,

this North Carolina team, they didn't have any quad.

What if we took quad?

No quads.

They had no barn.

They had no land.

They had no quad.

They had no wheels.

They had nothing. They didn't deserve to get in.
That's that's all they were told hey you guys stink against good teams hey in big games you guys can't play they're saying unc shouldn't even be in the tournament all week that was basically being said and uh they showed up got some dogs on that team it does feel like they got some dogs and a lot of us are going us are going to ask, a lot of people are going to ask, like, hey, how come all year maybe? I was like, maybe they ignited something here and became the best selves. And good luck, UNC.
Shouldn't be in there, but good luck, UNC. Good luck.
What a show. What a show.
That was over very early. They were up 20 about six minutes into that thing.
And was like okay uh yeah this seems like this is uh directed at somebody and i don't know if it was ai or not but i think in the locker room they were uh they were okay letting people know like i'm not supposed to be here oh yeah you got an angry team we'll talk uh we'll show you the conversation we had with coach calipari uh of arkansas he tips off tomorrow night he will be joining us on this program him earlier. It's like, you know, it's not about what you've done.
It's about who you are right now. And who's hot? Who's up? Who's ready to go? And is it UNC because of the whole world doubting everything they're about? Potentially.
Good for them. One half of the hammer.
Cowboys. AP Tone is here.
know through Boston Connors' gambling account, the underdogs now 0-2 to start March Madness after last night's affair. Yeah, the underdogs are 0-2.
The unders are also 0-2. Obviously, North Carolina almost covered the over by themselves there.
And then that just rapid stretch down the end in the St. Francis and Bama game, that one was under until they didn't miss.
The last two minutes and 30 seconds, there was a turnover or two, but they didn't miss. They were hitting step-back threes.
So both games went over last night. Both underdogs did not win, and that is the story of the tournament so far as gambling is concerned.
Yeah, because normally a little tight early, so not as many points. Maybe that'll be when the tournament actually starts.
Obviously, we have have two more playing games today i do believe yep can't wait to watch the boys get after especially after how last night's games went i mean this alabama state st francis game was awesome yeah had no dog in the fight at all but when you're watching it's like i like both these teams kind of the way they're playing the way they were answering and then obviously it ending with a hail mary is uh such a wonderful way to start. Is that a sign of what this tournament's going to be like? Is that a sign of what this particular March Madness is going to be? Or is the North Carolina game the sign of what this tournament's going to be? Because that was literally the two sides of the coin there.
We have a thrilling, electrifying, Hail Mary actual winner. And then we have a blowout from the beginning of the game.
And that's March Madness, baby. This is March.
This is March. This is March.
This is March. This is March.
It's not anarchy. No.
It's college basketball. How about Lefkoe last night in his bag? He was in his bag.
Bro. Point right there.
He was in there. He was dishing.
Jalen, Coach Wright, who's to the right there? Oh, God. I watched it.
I do not remember who it was. Coach, I think it's an old coach, maybe.
It's an old coach. I just forget his name.
He's to the right. He had a lot of thoughts.
Jalen on there was fresh air. Always.
Jalen's always going to have a fresh cut. And then Coach Wright down there, they showed the replay of the Hail Mary.

And Jalen's like, oh, screaming.

And Jay Wright's just like looking down at the screen here.

And then they showcased whenever his team, I guess if Illinois Nova hit a game winner,

and he just was on the – for the national championship.

Yeah, and he was UNC.

And he just didn't even just like kind of kept it cool or whatever.

And Jay Wright said, I was looking at the clock to see how much time was left. It's like always coaching.
And these guys got a tough task. A lot of teams, a lot of stories, a lot of players, a lot of conspiracies.
So good luck keeping it all on track, boys. And we also need to learn about all these guys too.
So if a little piece of information drops out of the mouth too, that's obviously very welcomed. They'll obviously pull it off.
Seth Davis was the other one. I know Seth Davis hoops on the internet.
That's him. Yeah, correct.
Okay, okay. I should have known that.
That's on me. Great show.
I appreciate it. I was watching it last night throughout it all, kicking off a wonderful time in the sports calendar, March Madness.
We'll be off tomorrow and Friday because we'll be watching the games, just like you will be. That's what we've learned in the past past we are screaming in an empty room when we are doing the show during march madness yeah people are either watching the games and our voices in in the background or we're doing a show about something that isn't college basketball and all we're doing is watching the games right here so just for the good of all involved, there is something to watch tomorrow during the afternoon

and it'll be electrifying.

And let's learn about some of these teams

maybe. You know, like American University tonight

needs you to do it.

Need American to go on a run.

2025, we need that to happen.

Xavier, Texas, it's like hard for me

to just believe Texas is just going to let that one

be an easy yacht, you know, especially in

the big moment, in the prime time. Is Xavier ready

for it? We shall see. And

we're excited for March Madness. We can't thank you enough

Thank you. believe Texas is just going to let that one be an easy yacht, you know, especially in the big moment, in the prime time.
Is Xavier ready for it? We shall see. And we're excited for March Madness.
We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. We'll be watching the games tomorrow at a pretty sick place.
Oh, yeah. I think it should be good.
Great time. I think it should be good.
We're going to enjoy the beginning of March Madness just like everybody else is. And remember, you don't have to work.
It's March Madness. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, from a completely different world is the NFL.
He's known as the Combine and Draft Guy because he watches film of every single human that plays college football. He's moved the sticks.
He's currently down in Dallas for the Big 12 Pro Day. Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah.
Yay, DJ! How are you, bud? What's up, boys? You want to see what we got here? Sure. Hold on.
Yeah, sure. Let's see where we get this.
Ooh, Jerry World. what's up boys you want to see what we got here sure yeah sure so we get this oh jerry world what's going on there yeah we got uh we got big 12 pro day like you mentioned so we're going to be on here three hours on nfl network so we'll have uh all all of that covered for you here so it'll be fun i believe that starts in about 18 minutes or so or maybe even longer we appreciate you taking time.
Is this something the players that weren't invited to the combine now basically have a big 12 combine? So, yeah, just like it's a traditional pro day where we used to go out to all the schools and, you know, the guys that were at the combine have their choice whether they want to work out or not. And then the guys who didn't get a chance to work out get their chance.
So instead of, you know, going to Waco, to Baylor, and going to Fort Fort Worth to TCU and West Virginia everywhere else they just all uh they all combine here in uh at the uh star here in Frisco so it's a good chance for scouts do everything all at once. West Virginia doesn't have a pro day? No none of these guys do it's part of the part of the deal is just with the big 12 they wanted to make it one event, so we've got three hours of coverage of this thing for two days.

By the way,

who's coaching your basketball team, Pat?

Shut up, DJ!

Okay?

I don't need to hear that right now.

And you know, you know that that UNC team, who won by 27

last night, did not deserve

to be out. Let's talk about

some ball, shall we?

You just put out your third mock draft

So, let's talk about uh some ball shall we you just put out your third mock draft i do believe 3.0 and it seems like you and everybody else that's mock drafting have the first four the exact same is that because you're all getting information you're all seeing the board the same way why do you think the front or the beginning of this draft is kind of settled in seemingly yeah Yeah, I don't know. I don't think there is, you know, broad

consensus right now. I think probably more of

a coincidence that we end up having them

where we have them at this point in time.

So I just, Cam Ward going

number one is something when you're talking to people around

the league that that just has become more of

the expectation. I do feel good about that.

You know, whether that's Tennessee or whether

that's, you know, two or three trying to move up to that first spot, but that's the one that I feel the most confident. After that, I still think it's pretty up in the air.
With Cleveland, I just was going through the different conversations that you would have inside the draft room, and I was thinking, look, I've been in those where you say, okay, would you rather have Shadur Sanders at two and and maybe Nick Scorton, an edge rusher from A&M in the second round, or would you rather take Abdul Carter and then maybe, you know, one of those next tier of quarterbacks in the second round? And I thought, man, the allure of Abdul Carter, what I think of him, as you know, I think he's the best player in the draft. And then to come back with whether that's Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, your guy, Howard, whoever you like in that second tier, that could be an option.
I mean, I do think the Browns and the Giants leave the second round with a quarterback. It's just a matter of whether they take him at the top of one or whether they take him at round number two.
Okay, so let's talk about the Browns a little bit. I think Tone Red yesterday might have been in your mock-up or somebody else's.
the thought of pairing Abdul Carter and Myles Garrett together on that defensive side is certainly a winning recipe for defense. You know, if you can get to the quarterback, disrupt the quarterback, and take over games on defensive side, obviously you can win.
Now, if they're able to get a young quarterback as well, somebody that they like that they think they can win, it's like look at the Cleveland Browns trying to balance and battle while still having to do the entire Deshaun Watson contract. Maybe they'll be able to pull it off.
Okay, so we got Abdul Carter potentially teaming up with Myles Garrett. Good luck, AFC North.
Offensive linemen and quarterbacks. Now, let's move to a couple of the other picks because we know you don't have a lot of time.
Connor has a question for you. Yeah, DJ, Travis Hunter at four.
Obviously, as a Patriots fan, that's exactly what I'm hoping for, especially with how free agency has gone for New England when it comes to weapons. But one of the things with Travis Hunter, a lot of people have been talking about is, hey, he can play corner and then maybe come in for the red zone, get a few snaps at wide receiver.
I was kind of hypothesizing that, you know, maybe he's a full-time wide receiver number one and then comes in on the red zone on defense kind of locks one guy up is that something teams are talking about and making him wide receiver one and then using him on defense and you know a couple man packages and also uh do you see him to new england like can i buy the jersey tomorrow what do you think well if he does get there i don't think he gets by your guys so that was you know I think if you're a Patriot fan you're hoping these two quarterbacks go before you pick yeah and then you're either gonna get one of those guys you're gonna get Travis Hunter Abdul Carter elite elite players I think with with Travis it's it's the unique part about him the special part is it's different for different teams of how you'd use them I do think it's easier to major in defense and minor in offense, but looking where the Patriots are at corner and where they are at receiver right now, if he were to go to that specific team, I think I would say, look, you're full-time offense and we'll find some spots for you, whether it's some third downs, different packages, and we'll sprinkle you in on defense, but I don't know how you look at Drake, you know, this guy that we got who's better than anybody else at the position on our team, we're only going to use him part-time. I don't think that would make sense.
Yeah, and if you're a special talent at catching the ball, which he is, and getting open, which he is, and understanding football, which he is, you know, it's a good weapon to have on the outside. But to your point about sprinkling him in on defense, this has been Connor's kind of pitch here.
Because you got him, Gonzo, and... And Carlton Davis, I think.
That's what I'm saying. And Carlton Davis.
So if you got red zone or third down, you can kind of, you would hope, clamp three people. And then with the running world that we're in right now, that is a...
And Vrabel understands this more than maybe anybody because of the way he was used in New England, if it all. It's like, I like that play a lot.
Especially with Gonzo and Carlton Davis. You assume because of how good Travis Hunter is at catching the ball, you kind of try and make teams throw it his way.
You can just leave Gonzo on his own. You can double whoever Carlton Davis is on it.
It's like, okay, try and throw it on Travis Hunter. And if he's as good as he is.
Yeah, maybe he's not that good. Maybe that's why.
Yeah, exactly. Or maybe he ends up with five, six picks in the red zone this year.
Okay, let's move away from this. Ty has a question for you.
DJ? Yeah, DJ, I know you have Jackson Dart going 21 to the Steelers, but a lot of other mocks and draft analysts have had him really rising up boards and going in the top 10, top 15. Do you think that's going to be something that we kind of see as we get closer to the draft what are the odds that jackson dart actually goes at like the the top half of the first round yeah i i think it's up in the air i don't think anybody knows but it it is interesting this late in the free agency process that you have a couple teams out there um with with glaring needs at the quarterback position so pittsburgh at this point in time, if they don't get Aaron Rodgers, I think they've got to do a lot of homework on these guys, whether that's Dart, Tyler Shuck, whoever.
But I just can't see them going into the season with just Mason Rudolph as their guy. To me, that's why I ended up putting Dart there, assuming that Aaron Rodgers doesn't end up in Pittsburgh.
And even if he does, I mean, I don't know how many years that's going to buy you. Um, if you, if you love one of these, these quarterbacks go ahead and take him anyways.
But, uh, you know, I don't have him as a top 10 player. I think he's like, you know, in the thirties or early forties on my top 50 list.
But, uh, you know, when you're a team out there and he's better than what you got, uh, he's going to go. He's moxie too I think.
The more we watch of Jackson, the more highlights we watch, the more we like him I think as an NFL QB. It reminds me of Hurts man.
That's my comparison which is kind of off the wall. It's kind of weird but with Jalen Hurts he got better every single year in college.
He was athletic. He was smart.
He was tough. And you're kind of just betting that it's all going to continue

on that trend line.

And it obviously hurts it's gone that way in a big way.

But that's kind of the thought process.

If you're a Jackson Dart team, that's what you're hoping for.

Good luck to all parties, including Jackson Dart.

Do all these schools still have their pro days left?

Like Jackson still has a pro day.

And is pro day season starting today?

Yeah, Alabama's today. I heard Milrow's going to run run too so i'm curious to see because he looks fast as heck when you're when you're watching them play so i'm i'm wondering if he gets under

four four that wouldn't shock me oh milro running four three something would be bananas

by the way the cowboys do it right man the coffee even get the uh they brand everything around here

yeah the building is very nice too i know it's been built now a little bit long ago but the

I'll see you next time. By the way, the Cowboys do it right, man.
The coffee even get the... They brand everything around here.
Yeah, the building is very nice, too. I know it's been built now a little bit long ago, but the upkeep and the professionalism, obviously that booth is the best booth in every stadium that there exists.
But this is like the star, so this isn't like their main stadium. This is just that other smaller stadium where they play high school games in here, all kinds of different events.
maybe i'm guessing maybe 10 maybe 8 to 10 000 seat will place it like you want more shot out here yeah i thought that was actually jerry world you're saying that's a that's a that's a mock jerry world what the heck still jerry that's a little baby it's it's a little baby uh baby jerry world steven's world is that um is that where they practice um i don't practice? I don't know that. I don't know if they do practice.
It's in Frisco, so it's not near the stadium. It's in a totally different area of town.
Yeah, it might. You know what? I bet you this is where they practice.
When they did Hard Knocks here that year, they were in here. Yeah, I'm getting the thumbs up.
Rhett Lewis gave me the thumbs up in the back that they do. Oh, Rhett.
You tell Rhett old Indiana's getting a good ball coach, a good basketball coach. He says you're getting a good basketball coach at IU.
Shut up, Rhett. I like IU people.
I married into an IU family. This is an interesting situation.
Hey, Rhett, you tampered, allegedly. Okay, I don't like that at all.
A lot of tampering charges, Rhett. A lot of tampering charges.
Allegedly, please make sure you say allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly.
Thank you. That is very important.
You haven't sued before. I'm not trying to get you in any hot water.
Well, yeah, we'll see. On this particular program, it seems like it happens more often than not.
Tone Diggs has a question for you here, DJ. Yeah, DJ, we were looking at your mock yesterday, and we were talking about offensive linemen, and we saw Will Campbell in yours and a couple others

potentially falling 210 or out of the top 10,

and you have Membu going seven.

But just four O-linemen total, I believe, in the first round,

and there was eight last year, four in the top 14 last year.

Is it just a down year for offensive linemen,

or is it just that the other positions are – that there's more talent at other positions too this year yeah i would say it's a little bit of a down year um but there are some names that just missed you know towards the bottom of that mock draft that you know we can easily see a couple more guys pop in there so i i wouldn't you know i wouldn't say that it's going to be a firm number where we are there i could see see a couple more guys. But no, in terms of the high end, no, it's not where it's been in years past.
And with Membu and Will Campbell, I think that's going to be split. You're going to have half teams have one guy, half have the other.
But it's hard to get out of your mind what you saw with Membu, watching him run and move around at that size, how young he is. someone you know if you're the jets need a right tackle like that's what he is he's plug and play you know coming off of a regime that came over with aaron glenn from detroit taking a right tackle and panace sewell and off to the races they went there so that one made a lot of sense to me yeah offensive linemen uh that's why they're potentially why so many offensive linemen paid, you know, guys we never heard of.

They don't get to the market.

Bingo.

And also draft class, you know, that kind of all goes hand in hand with free agency and draft class, you know.

What do you need?

What is available?

Who and where is it available at?

Jalen Milrow just ran his 40.

Shout out to the next round at Next Round Live here in Alabama.

He looks absolutely jacked from a couple of the videos that I watched. I bought it.
I don't know if we're anywhere near a 4-3. Ooh.
Okay. You're taking the over.
Anywhere near is obviously, you know, 4-4. 4-4-3.
4-5. Yeah, 4-5 to a 4-3 is obviously in person.
I'll text you within the next 15 minutes and get you time from somebody there. He is so jacked.
Oh, my God. Here's his second 40 here from the side.
Go back so we can give the credit to the people that tweeted it. This is from Henry Sklar.
He looks like a tight end. Yes.
He's covering ground, though. He's covering ground, Pat.
Okay, so what is your guess there i'm watching that eyeballing that eyeballing it on grainy wi-fi that i'm on i'm gonna go with uh 49 449 i think that's probably a pretty good i have no idea literally my wi-fi is just like well us, us too. Yeah, it's the world we're in right now.

I think...

In my head, it's like, that looks like a 4.5.

In my head, it looks like a 4.5, but there's no way

Jalen Milrow's running a 4.5.

So, like, what you said there is probably the right...

Yeah, 4.48, 4.49.

He's in the 4.4s because he's Jalen Milrow,

in my mind, and where I've seen him on the field.

But it didn't look like that was a 4.3, anything, 4.41, you know, 4-4 flat right there. And we sound like assholes.
Because that is very fast, nonetheless. Any other storylines we need to be talking about? DJ, anything you're hot on? I'm anxious to see what happens with the receivers, man, and how they come off the board.
I think there's a lot of discrepancy, you know, talking to people around the league of how they have these guys stacked. I'm a Matthew Golden fan.
You know, him running 4-2-9 didn't hurt from that standpoint. I think Ibuka is going to run faster than people think it is pro day.
McMillan had his pro day the other day, and times, you know, everybody I talk to, 4-5-3, 4-5-6 in that range. So I'm curious to see how those guys end up coming off the board when it's all said and done.
Yeah, DJ, because I heard you and Bucky talking about Tech Mammillian and what would he run? Is that 4-5-3? Is that like, do you think that'll hurt him or people watch the tape and they're like, okay, that's cool. We can take him where we thought we would? I think it was a little bit better than what the expectation was.
So from that standpoint, it's a positive. But I always tell people that saying where these guys are going to get picked is not the same as saying what type of career they're going to have.
But historically, guys that run in the 4-5s, I think the last receiver to run over a 4-5 and be picked in the top 15 was Mike Evans in 2014. So it's just that, no question.
But it's been a while, and historically, teams don't take guys that high in the draft that don't have the supporting time. So it's getting different as the longer you do this and the more GPS is involved and everybody has all their play speed, you know, in-game numbers.
That I think will start to change, but that's the recent history that we have. Yeah, and obviously those comps are certainly a

necessity to deciding whether or not somebody

is going to have success or not.

Let's go back to Jalen Milrose, 40s. The first

one, SEC Network was saying it was

in between 4-5 to 4-5-2,

and then his second run

was 4-4-4 between

4-4-4 and 4-4-6.

So, he ran like a...

I think if you average those out, Pat, it's probably

the time that I gave.

Have a great day today. It's not a hobby, Pat.

It's not a hobby, buddy. Have a

great day down there at the Baby

Star and make sure you give these Big 12

guys love. I don't love that we don't have individual

pro days. Wow.
Crazy.

How long has this been happening? Oh, wait. Is Shadur and Travis working

out there? They're here. We're going to have

them in the booth tomorrow. I think we're going to have Shadour

and Travis in the booth tomorrow. Coach

Prime's going to be here, so we'll visit with him.

Because I just assumed Shadour

was going to do a pro day where it was going to be.

Yeah, he's not going to be

working out here, but tune in for the interview if you do

me a favor. I appreciate it.
Can't wait for your questions,

man.

Ladies and gentlemen, Move the Sticks,

host of the Big 12 Pro Day on NFL Network and the combine Dana Jeremiah no offense to this particular conference but that's some Mac shit for sure not having your own pro day at least people will watch tomorrow it's like 1 o'clock nothing's really going on it's perfect for a pro day yeah it is a good time to schedule it. That's why people care.
It's just different in the Big 12, baby. I understand that the ability to get everybody in front of scouts is a good play for the entire conference.
But it does sound Mickey Mouse that scouts won't travel to your school to come watch you do your thing at your thing. How are these these, you know, all these workouts we see that are choreographed

at these pro days are all happening at their school

because like that is their place with their people

and everything like that.

So West Virginia said, we don't need that.

Big 12 said, you guys don't need any comfort,

any of these things.

You need to go do it with everybody else.

Just like at the combine where you didn't know

any of these people, you're doing it again.

It's like, what is the, I don't love that.

Alabama football said it was 4-3-7. Okay.
I love it. Okay.
I like that too. Okay, congrats.
That had to be the second one. And congratulations to Jalen Milrow running into 4-3s.
Hell yeah, we got anywhere from 4-4-4 to 4-4-6 to 4-3-7. And the first one was, I think he maybe didn't hit it as clean.
So 4-3-7 Alabama saying. Okay.
Which, once again, if you watched him play football, would make sense. No doubt.
It would be like, okay, yeah. If they would have said this was 4-3-2 before we watched either of those 40s, it would have been like, yep, that is Jalen Milrow.
Because when he's on a field, he is faster than everybody. That is just how it goes.
Which is why, you know, the quarterback conversation is an interesting one because with the ball in his hands, when he's running, he is very strong, he is very elusive, and he's faster than everybody on the field. So it's like, how can we get the ball in this guy's hands, you know, while he tries to develop his quarterback, if that's what they're thinking? And and i don't like having this convo especially because people are saying around lamar jackson not us but people were saying that about lamar and what lamar has become is top passer one of the top passers in the entire nfl so it's like i i would never but there's not a lot of lamars out there you know like lamar is a incredibly talented one ofof-one type athlete and player so it's like what does jaylen milro want to do does jaylen milro only want to play quarterback does jaylen milro want to potentially explore other options get on the field while also developing as a quarterback like tasem hill did you know like there is there's a lot of opportunities i think for a guy that's this athletic because just saying he's not gonna be an to be an NFL guy because he's not an NFL quarterback at this moment, I think kind of undercuts the thing that this is an NFL athlete.
Like, this guy is an NFL football player. Like, no questions asked, he's an NFL football player.
So it's like, what ends up happening with Jalen Milrow will be a fun story to kind of follow along with. Well, and if he goes somewhere where he doesn't have to start right away, like, Lamar better every year he's been in the NFL.
If he has the opportunity to sit behind someone and he just has a couple packages, like you said, this is a guy who could rush for a 70-yard touchdown at any point in a game. It's not like you're asking him to go out there and throw it 30 times to beat a team.
If he gets the opportunity and he continues to get better, that should happen.

A couple packages.

A couple packages.

And those packages,

they start having success.

We just keep that package.

We just keep that package in here.

I'm happy that Jalen Milrow ran fast there.

That first one did not look fast,

the first video that we saw.

It looked like he was jogging.

At the end, he was cruising.

If that's Jalen Milrow running at his full speed speed that's even more dangerous that he's just cruising yeah like it's just no problem second one i guess much faster 437 is what alabama's saying shout out to them it's it's all maybe they have the laser though maybe they're the ones that are like you guys are all wrong maybe that is different thumbs but a lot of those guys uh that are the 40, they've been doing that for like 50 years. The guy that was at the Specialist Combine, he's literally been doing hang time for kickers and punters for, I think, 40 years.
Legend. That's Combine.
Still got it, by the way. Oh, yeah.
Still got it. The thumb's important.
Who's on the clock's important. Alabama's saying 4-3-7.
And if you watch them play football, you'd say, yeah, I agree with that. Did you see who he had dinner with last night? He was meeting with the Steelers.
Coach Toml. You got Mason Rudolph over there.
Do have Mace. Okay.
Rogers ain't gonna like that. I know that.
First Cam Hayward, now they're meeting with quarterbacks? Uh-uh. I don't think so.
Okay, we don't know if any of that's true. Could be.
What we did hear this morning was the Minnesota Vikings will not be pursuing aaron rogers that's kind of been i think what is being understood as the hold up in this entire convo is maybe once again we have heard nothing from aaron yes okay is aaron still want to play we have no idea we assume by now he would know if he wanted to play you would assume but that's a massive decision for somebody that's committed his entire he's 40 plus years old he's committed his whole life to football I mean this would be the last like that's a massive decision to have to make especially for the last team you're going to play for if that is what he's contemplating and then as it continued to roll out it was like Aaron is literally uh trying to see out what all the options are like are the Minnesota Vikings an option and if are an option, does that change a conversation at all? He said he's open to anything attached to nothing or open to everything attached to nothing. It seems like from what Tom Pellicero is saying is the picture is getting a little bit clearer now.
Cam Hayward said, you either want to be a stealer or you don't, dude. And it's like, Cam, have you talked to him? Do we know if that's what Aaron's thinking? But the way it's been reported by the insiders who want the deets, they want the news, they want to break it, they want to do that whole thing, they want to put a notch on the scoreboard, which that's their business, literally, and do what you got to do.
But Aaron hasn't said shit. Like, he has not said anything.
And then Schefter said people close to him are saying – he's like, nobody close to aaron really says anything and if they do say it it there's a chance aaron does the complete opposite because something got it and the person that leaked that is gone forever like yeah there's not a lot of people that are in the aaron circle that have any idea what has happened and we only know that because we've been on this ride for the past five six years you know and we have no fucking have no fucking idea. So, like, AJ, I don't even think knows, you know.
So this is a – it's all very interesting with Aaron. Always is.
Always has been. But allegedly, seemingly, Tom Pellicero is reporting that the Vikings are at on the pursuit of Aaron Rodgers.
So maybe the picture does come into a little bit more focus for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, we were always talking not from knowledge but just guessing kind of what aaron would do and that's always a dangerous game um but this feels like you know not another teen movie where you know the vikings were to bell at a ball and that's where he wanted to go and the steals are this girl just sitting back who always wanted him who always loved and we're sitting in the back of the class didn't always i yeah Yeah, there was like a day or two, and then all of a sudden, we ain't got time for this guy.
Hurry up.

Watch it, dude. always wanted him, who always loved him, who were sitting in the back of the class.
Didn't always. There was like a day or two, and then all of a sudden,

we ain't got time for this guy.

Hurry up!

What's he doing?

We just get very disrespected very quickly,

or feel disrespected very quickly.

Amen.

Kind of in our blood.

And Cam was born and raised in Pittsburgh.

His dad was a Pitt star.

Ironhead.

Shout out Ironhead.

And then Cam's lived there for 15 years.

So he's kind of got that yinzer blood in him.

I think that's where he was speaking from. But no, I still think Aaron gives the Steelers the best chance to win I don't know if he wants to go to the Steelers or the Giants or you know he'll just walk off into that sweet beautiful California sunset honestly the the retirement thing has kind of starting to feel more like a potential yeah and that's just, we have not talked to him.
This is us just following all the other stories with him saying nothing. It has just been nothing said from him or his team and all these other teams putting out shit.
We want an answer. And there is a chance with these insiders that the teams are like, can you apply some public pressure here that we want an answer sooner than later? Because obviously that does help everybody to know what's happening with their roster so it does feel like what if he does love those walks on the beach at sunset true what if he loves that towel draped around him what if he loves the feeling of the water coming through his toe what if he loves the ability to just hop on his plane because he's the highest paid player in the history of the league and just go on a trip somewhere and disappear for two months.

Never been able to do that in the fall.

I heard there's whole different excursions of life in the fall.

Oh, yeah.

Like, there's a chance of that, you know, especially with the moons and the howl.

I mean, he might climb ever since September.

That might be the best month for it.

Yeah, there's.

So, back to Tone's point. A lot of people have been trying to put themselves into aaron rogers shoes and trying to think for aaron that's just not possible that's a fool's tag don't do that i don't i don't think that is possible this is a very different individual than anybody you've ever met before in the all the greats are different like that is just how they're different than normal humans they are different than everybody else that is why they become who they become and it's like this guy if you talk to any player that has played or coach that's coached against him i've been like certified brother this is one of the ones which is why this happens around the nfl every time aaron does anything now the media and the fans they have their thoughts and narratives about him.
And, you know, some half truths potentially are released that fuel those narratives for people and people feel the way they feel. And he is certainly an anomaly.
And we, there's a lot of things he does that we go, holy, did not know humans operate in that fashion. Like that is a legitimate thing, but that's who he is.
And I think that's part of the reason why he's so damn great you know he gets mocked and ridiculed a lot and i bring this up because i think it's very important he gets mocked and ridiculed a lot about the family the family the family the family the family it's like i think he's pushed all that shit away so that he could just be like this guy old school football player yeah like that is old school to hippie for sure brilliant too like if you i mean he went to cal and uh the celebrity jeopardy thing he did exactly he could have mopped the floor with mr wonderful and mr wonderful just so happened to be the one talking shit to the stupid yeah uh jock football player you know the stupid jock i think you put anybody in those in the celebrity realm now i think ken and uh the other guy that uh brad rudder and the guy that doubled down on everything that we love oh jimmy holzhardt holzhardt you put like the super duper trivia people in there i think erin's probably in trouble because those people have treated trivia like he has treated football but people don't want to give him credit for how intelligent he is a and i would assume with everything we're learning now via new york times articles and other things he is feeling very empowered about his brain and his decisions and his ideas and opinions versus everybody else so you know he's he's definitely an an oddity i will say because he's not there's nobody and nothing like him in any sport but there's a reason the teams want him and it's because he's a guy certified and uh if he was to just step away at this moment in my it's like maybe maybe even after years now me saying there's no way this guy's gonna retire this is his whole life literally his entire he goes and takes a trip he comes back that's what it's ball he does this it's ball ball ball competing having a purpose reason, like, and everything like that. Now, granted, can he find all those things elsewhere? It's like, I'm sure Aaron probably could, but he loves spinning it.
You can tell that at the end of the year. He got his ass kicked last year.
Not only was it the Achilles recovery, remember, he was in London. He got ante-ant.
Yeah. And his knee and his ankle, I think.
And he jogs right back on the field. Doesn't miss a fucking play, I don't think.
Just goes right back out there at the age of 40. It's like, I don't, I'm intrigued by it now.
Now I'm interested. Like, what is this guy going to do? I have no idea.
Well, especially because Scherr did probably stink at the end of last year and just last year in general because they stunk. But he got to play with, you know, some of his closest guys.
Lazard, obviously, but Devontae, he got to do that entire thing again,

and he wanted to play with Devontae, obviously.

It goes all the way back to the summer of them walking together

and him being like, you know, we'll play together soon

or something like that when someone yelled that at him.

And it would now make more sense, especially with Pittsburgh's situation

that maybe he doesn't want to go there anymore. You know, California California and Pittsburgh a little different.
They're not exactly the same towns and you can't imagine that maybe not dealing with anything. The paparazzi and things of that nature, you wonder if he thinks if I wasn't playing football, are they just taking pictures of me outside of my beach? Definitely when he's going around and walking you know, walking.
Buying his rocks. Yeah, buying his rocks, exactly.
Getting them off, all those things. But who knows if he actually will play.
Okay, so next hour we'll have AJ on. Hopefully he'll give us more answers.
But now let's go to earlier today. We had a chance to catch up with Coach Calipari of Arkansas right after he got done with Mass.
We'll see you on the other side. How do you feel about the team out there? Obviously, big move out to Arkansas.
And the SEC this year has become the basketball conference. How do you feel about your team, and how do you feel about where you are with Arkansas right now? Well, you know, we started 0-5, and everybody shoved us in the coffin coffin and I made the statement they forgot to put the

nails in and our kids figured out a way to get us back in the hunt and by the end of the year we were playing really good basketball and so I think we won five of our last six six of our last seven whatever it was and we became that team. Now, we were all in a dark place now, every player I had, and they had to win that battle first and understand that you're not defined by this stuff, and what you need to do is work, and you need to grind, and you have to battle yourself.
You have to win that battle before you worry about anybody else. And that's what we were about.
I just was on that more than anything else. A little adversity early is good, especially whenever you're trying to build a culture.
You find out quickly who the guys are on your team. I know whenever you got there, you had no think that was kind of the mo the story and let's go back in time i think every chance we've got to talk to you uh every time you've described a season for you it's like at the beginning of the year we didn't know how to play defense basically that is kind of what you say and then by the end of the year we know how to play defense is that something you think that your team has done very well this year and is that just the calipari staple is like at the beginning of the year maybe we don't understand how hard our defense is going to be but that by tournament time what was his record 57 and 22 or something yeah in the tournament you guys are hell in the tournament is it because the defensive side or where do you see the growth usually whenever it comes to your spots my normally i have a new team year.
Now everybody's having to do this unless they were to retain guys. We had about four teams in our league that retained all their guys.
So they were way ahead, and they still are. They're really good.
But the reality of it is, for me, it's always a new team. My kids go pro.
I got new guys. I got freshmen.
We have the youngest team in the SEC. We're the youngest team.
And so it takes time. New team, young guys.
And then you walk into Murderer's Row, and your first three games are Tennessee, Florida, and Mississippi, and you get spanked. And now, well, we didn't get spanked.
We were in two of those games, had a chance to win. But you lose.
You lose. And now what you're hoping is how do you keep building guys up? How do you keep challenging them? How do you keep making them uncomfortable so they can learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable? How do you keep up? And, you know myself, I had to get out from under the covers myself.
Like, oh my God, we're 0-5. And we had to figure out what to do as a staff.
My staff never wavered. They never wavered.
And that's why we are here. These kids came together.
They became one heartbeat because

they had to. We lost

our two leading scores

and we were dying.

Our two leading scores were out.

I know no one says it and all that.

We played without them

and now this team

who was left said, we're coming together.

We're going to be a team. We're going to all do

what we're supposed to. We've been playing seven guys for about three weeks now.
Jeez. Are the boys going to be all right? Don't feel bad.
No one else feels bad. Hey, are the boys going to be all right? No one's feeling bad.
That's a lot, right? I mean, I know they're young. They're college-age guys.
And the season is what it is. Everybody's banged up at this time of the season, but not having a deep bench is like very, that's tough, right, for whenever it comes tournament time? And obviously, I got some stats here.
This is your 24th NCAA appearance, okay? 32 NCAA tournaments held all together, okay? So this fucker is the father of this. 15 Sweet 16, 12 Elite Eights, six Final Fours, obviously two NCAA runner-up.
It's like, in the tournament, don't you need depth? Is that something? Or are you okay with your 7, with how the season ended? Don't tell anybody, but I only need 5. That's all.
So what will happen is, if a couple guys aren't playing well, they'll just play less. At this time of the year, you're not worried about ego or anything else.

It is survive and advance.

It is you're playing in a tournament of four teams.

We're here in Providence, a four-team tournament.

If you can win this, you go to another four-team tournament.

It's going to be hard.

Kansas, come on, Bill Self.

He won his national championship against us and me. And we won our national championship against them.
And so we've won at Allen. They had won at our place.
And now we're playing again. Bill and I, when I left Kansas, he followed me at Kansas.
So he went into the role I was in. Unbelievable what he's done in every program, the culture he's built, all that stuff.
He and I are friends. I hate that play people that I consider friends or know well.
I'd rather, there's all these teams. Why you got to put me against him first game? Okay.
So we know what we're up against. Let's talk about that, actually.
Tone from Plumboro has a question for you. Yeah, Coach.
So, I mean, let's just say things go great and you go through Bill Self and then sitting on the other side is Coach Patino. And you talk about your four-team bracket.
As far as coaches go, are those two of the toughest you can probably go through?

Sure, but don't forget about Omaha now.

I know, I know.

They had a hell of a year.

Hypothetically.

And I'm being honest.

I'm not worried about anything but this Kansas game.

And I knew in our little corner, our tournament, you look at it and you say,

wait a minute, there's a lot of tournament wins in that corner. And so we all getting our teams prepared to play.
Look, in this thing, normally, like the game last night, who has the ball last? That's usually who wins. And they threw that thing the length of the court, and the ball went in, and they won.
That's what this tournament is. It's crazy.
And you look and say, wait a minute, it fumbled. He threw it up.
Oh, Jay! And that's what it is. So I'm not worried about that.
You know, the question is good. I respect Rick.
I respect Bill. I mean, we've all been doing this a long time and this should be fun.
I want our kids to understand that enjoy this and go for it. Show who you are.
Have people watching the TV and say, man, they play hard. Man, they have fun.
Look at them. How do they play together? If we get that done, that's all you can ask for as a coach.
You can change your life in March Madness as a Hooper. You know, you can change everything, especially with, you know, what you're cooking out there in Arkansas.
This sets a culture up for hopefully the next 10 years or 30 families, I believe is the amount of people that you were trying to change going into this. Yeah, 30 would be nice.
But again, here's what it is. I'm coaching in college and I have someone's child.
But at the end of the day, I can only lead them to water. They got to go drink.
They got to go do this. But it doesn't mean I care any less.
And there's a lot of individual meetings. There's a lot of meetings about kids.
You got, you're battling yourself. You ain't battling me.
You're not worried about, you got to win that battle first and then go on. And that's what I like about this team.
It doesn't guarantee success. It doesn't guarantee a win, but I'm going to tell you this, the other guarantees a loss where you haven't won that battle or the minute the first raindrop hits, you cave in.
And we had no business the way they gave us a 0% chance of making the NCAA tournament. So why not go for it? Why not try to do something interesting? Why not be the story? I said at the beginning of the year, I'm writing another story and I'm on the first chapter.
Well, let's see how this chapter ends. I hope it doesn't end on Thursday, but it may.
But I've had fun coaching these teams. I've learned about myself as a coach because you have all this success.
And what you end up thinking is, well, because you coach, you're going to succeed. No.
Sometimes there's a bad match. Sometimes you have injuries.
Sometimes other thing goes on. Can you coach now? It's easy.
We won 38 straight games. The hard thing was keeping everybody happy.
We won 38 games a few different times. Totally different than what I went through this year.
And I'll tell you, there are other coaches that went through the same thing this year. And I've grabbed those guys and said, you did a great job.
You know why? His team was still playing. They were still playing hard.
They were still playing to win. And they had every reason to give up, up let go of the rope and the coach would say after why would he tell me i did a good job like then you don't understand this stuff yet you will but there you go on a run it's a different deal yeah well when everybody's bought in i think that is the direct you know correlation to the coaching you know that is the direct correlation to the culture you said hold on to the rope hold the rope is a big deal there's somebody hanging off a ledge are you gonna be the one to let goes are you gonna let your calluses start bleeding are you gonna hold for everything whenever things are going bad are you gonna pull that son of a bitch that's a rich rodriguez thing for a long time assuming a lot of coaches do that uh obviously your team was able to get through the mental battles of the early season, also having 0% chance, having no optimism outside the building, so mentally ready to go.
Let's talk about physically and basketball. Ty has a question for you, Coach.
Yeah, Coach, a lot of times in years past when a league is very dominant and then they don't perform very well in the first two weekends of the tournament, the narrative becomes like, oh, well, the league was so good that they just beat themselves down during the season and they just had nothing left come tournament time. But how, I mean, you guys played in arguably the best conference that there has ever been this year with 14 teams getting in.
How does that prepare you for the rigors of what you're about to go through in March? What you said is true. Every game this year was a grind.
Every game was physical, hand-to-hand combat. It's crazy.
I mean, it was nuts every game. Will that wear us out or will that prepare us? You know what's great? We're going to see.
Having our tournament run through Sunday, which I've argued for years, makes those two teams have a physical, mental, emotional battle on Sunday. And then they're getting into this tournament in two, three days.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens. Who's on the upswing? Who's on the downswing? What region are you in? Don't worry about anybody else but yourself because when you do that other team loses you wasted time but you we're all going to see because i'm telling you we deserve 14 teams to be in we did but now you're going to see all right how do we do everybody was all over north carolina they won by 40 last night.
Maybe they should have been in. Yeah, West Virginia would have won by 41.
Hey, how about the governor suing? How about the governor suing? Only in West Virginia. Hey, if I was in West Virginia, I'd go hug the governor right now.
Yeah, well, it's going to be a big one. He needs to stay alive.
We need him to stay alive. We need to take care of himself a little bit.
But I'll tell you what, the state of West Virginia feels like they were left out, and North Carolina heard all the chatter. Yeah, they did.
And that bucket looked bigger for them last night. I mean, they were pulling up on the logo.
That looked like the best UNC team we've seen all year. What if they go on a run? That's the madness of March.
And to get into the tournament, it's obviously a huge blessing to, like, your school and your team. But once you get in, we've seen numerous times, obviously, you've said it, anything can happen.
Like, literally, anything can happen, especially with the... Whoa! Big Sweet! Connor has a question for you, Coach.
Coach, how does the day-to-day change during the tournament? Obviously, you know, one game at a time, Thursday, after that, you're not even thinking about anything. But is the recovery different? Is the strategy kind of different when you are just playing for your life every single game? It's – what a great question.
Look, everybody has different ways of doing this. I even say how people play.
Now they say you should shoot 53s. Well, what if you can't make threes? No.
You've got to play different. So what I've done over my career, I want everything to be the same.
The board prior to the game is the same. The shoot around is the same.
The meeting the night before is the same. There is no change.
Let's just go be who we are. If that's not good enough, we had a hell of a year.
But that's your best chance. In my opinion, I don't know, but there's all kind of ways to doing this.
We had a practice yesterday that was normal for this time of year. We'll have a practice today, shortened, no contact, because I can't afford any four and three.
So no contact. But from that point on, the shoot-around tomorrow, the meetings, the staff meetings with the players, all the same.
How was Mass this morning? It was really good. I got out, and the guy cut us off.
Hey, you, what are you doing? This is after walking out of Mass. So I don't know if it helps me, but I'm coaching other people's children, and I kind of need help.
I need help anyway. I need more than just spiritual help.
Yeah, you're doing a great job. We can't wait to watch your team.
Thank you so much for joining us. Good luck out there tomorrow, 7, 10 p.m.
Eastern, Arkansas versus Kansas. First round of the NCAA tournament.
We can't wait to watch your team this year, Coach. Thanks, man.
I appreciate you guys. Hey, grazie prego for the time, ladies and gentlemen, Coach John Calipari.
What a legend. Everything needs to be the exact same, okay? If it's not good enough in the regular season, it's not going to be good enough now.
And if we can win five out of the last six games and continue on this little bit of a ride, we can obviously be i'm excited to watch coach calipari thank you for the time you know he's from western pennsylvania you know i'm out of pittsburgh and we said that uh the same hometown as aq shipley and joe nardo shout out john calipari couple of the goats yeah and it's nice to know that aq is no longer a hater of joe dinardo i hope he to say, has that been verified? Mm-hmm. Moon Township, the airport.
Okay, that's where you're flying. Drive-in movie theater.
Love it. Still happening.
Yep. Joe DiNardo, AQ Shipley, John Calibari.
Boom. Shout Moon Township.
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there's going to be storylines that are going to make us say, hell yeah, to that particular person. Congrats to you.
They counted you out. They thought you were a crap.
And there's also a chance there's a storyline of the favorite, the team that I think most people throughout their entire lives have thought to themselves we don't like them uh there's a chance it's like one of these villain teams that isn't beloved because they've been around for so long go on a run and demolish everybody last couple years yukon has been that school and if you do recall dan hurley was the story because this dude was electrifying while he was coaching his team. They would be up 20 points and he'd be pissed about a turnover or a lax in judgment or an error was made by a player on his team.
There is so many things that could happen over the next couple weeks that kick off tomorrow. Now, obviously, there's playing games happening today.
There was playing games last night. The first one was magical.
It ended with a Hail Mary. Alabama State beat St.
Francis, a Catholic school, with a Hail Mary. Full of grace.
What a catch. Bucket.
0.7 seconds left. Alabama State, you're dancing.
This is just the beginning of the madness we're about to experience, and I can't wait for it. Now, I have made a promise for myself that I'll be gambling a lot less money on all these games.

Sure.

I think we should all think about doing that as a whole.

We get caught up in the moment, and we start betting on 18-, 19-year-olds that we've never heard of before until maybe literally yesterday.

But what we saw them do yesterday, okay, makes us think, well, they're definitely going to be able to do that again.

That is not true.

Remember that that is not how March Madness works at all. What you saw two days ago might be completely opposite for the next game and then there's a chance that one team is going to get hot got to find those those are the teams we're looking for let's be selective let's be smart let's not ever do it but whenever we feel good about something let's enjoy the shit out of it because college hoops has its time right now both the men's and the women's but the men's one obviously is going to be seen by a lot more people and with that being said they got the best talent they've ever had in the tournament allegedly yeah so we're maybe looking at the greatest tournament of all time boom and uh why not the toxic table is here at boston corner and at ty schmidt whenever the hammer done AP Tone is here.
And joining us live from an attic in Ohio is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk.
Yeah, Hawk. Hawker, I'm getting so excited.
Last night, Alabama State throws that Hail Mary, and I was, boom, right back in it. This is what college basketball has.
This is what March Madness has. Because sometimes there'll be a slow start to the tournament.
Low scoring, a lot of mistakes, teams are tight. Okay, game not really, kind of over.
And then something happens and boom, you're right back in it. You're all the way in it.
Last night, I think they started the entire thing with one of those moments. And I'm pulling for Alabama State to go on a run.
I'm pulling for the basketball gods to continue to bless this Alabama State team like they did with the with the hill mary at the very end and that's all possible here aj and you're talking about changing the course of everything and uh that's why it's so damn exciting aj i legitimately think it's different than any other feeling that i have for sports yeah it's definitely a special time and first of all great ben you're playing at dayton arena they always do this i grew up going to games at ud arena's an awesome old-school No air conditioning, right? Yeah, they didn't back then. I don't know what it's like now, but it's a great place to watch a game.
No question. They don't make arenas like this anymore, but you couldn't have had a better kickoff game than this.
This was awesome. The whole time, I feel like it was action-packed, and then how it ended was beautiful.
I know we're not talking about it, but north carolina looked pretty damn good no we talked about it we had it we were forced i know calipari even brought i was forced to talk about yeah i talked to him this morning 9 30 a.m i was forced to talk about how calipari yeah how about the governor he's just suing the entire thing feels like north carolina heard that uh connor's big takeaway he's like while we me doing my thing and the governor doing his thing and basically the entire world was saying the same thing outside of unc san diego state was like excuse me can we turn it down just a little bit we stopped no chance there's no chance i think yeah and i picked san diego state yesterday strictly because i'm like basketball god's gonna punch it but we all knew we are we all we all knew even mentioned it as the biggest takeaway for me from watching the selection sunday stuff is everybody was on tv saying north carolina doesn't deserve to be in there and then they were asked to pick the game and everybody was like do you think north carolina probably has probably has this this one it's like what a conundrum what a situation uh and that's why any selection committee to anything is always going to have conspiracy fodder. This one just so happened to have the AD as the select, this team being the last one in, and then the other team not only gets kicked out of the tournament, but also probably lose their coach because of it.
And their best player, who's the side he's going over there, too. So, you know, that could be why I got a lot, AJ.
Don't be oh-knowing. I know that.
Congrats to Indiana. I'm a glass-half-full guy.
Congrats to Indiana. Legit.
They got a guy. Big for the state.
This guy. They got a guy.
People are not happy. What's he supposed to do, though? Why would he stay? What? Build the program! I don't know, AJ.
West Virginia was his dream school or whatever. Definitely not.
Born and raised in Iowa.

That was his dream school. Seems like this family spells loyalty.

C-A-S-S-H.

What? What's that?

Kish.

Okay.

Huh?

I mean.

Can you imagine if he gets Indiana back to the top?

Pretty darn good. Stupendous delivery.
delivery, legitimately. Good for you, dude.
Thank you. Good for you.
But in this business, I think a lot of people do. You know, I think that is kind of the business in the college football coaching ranks.
But, yeah, it's interesting for me because, you know, I feel like I'm a pretty big supporter of West Virginia athletics. One West Virginia athletics to do very well, you know, very, very proud of what's going.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like very proud of, you know, that West Virginia Mountaineers.
And, you know, it took me a while to be able to be public about it strictly because anytime I talked about it, I would just get reminded of everything that happened in one particular game against Pitt you know it got really loud and for me it was tough because I was like worst night of my life in this entire thing so finally got to a point where it's like no we did a lot of good shit there and like yeah I'm proud of the fact that I was a part of a great team there and the people that I got a chance to meet and hang out with there like I'm proud of it so it's been a nice little you know kind of uh full circle with this entire thing especially with coach rod going back now at least i know the people pretty well and they know me pretty well you know like through this entire thing so i'm very proud of it so west virginia not getting in is like a uh it sucks because i thought west we were having a you know because all our other sports rifle just one. Men's and women's soccer, absolutely crushing it.
The women's basketball team doing well. Baseball is crushing in the Big 12.
It's like sports are all West Virginia logo brand right now. Okay, you know, and then we get powed, and then the guy just gets up and leaves, and then people are talking about West Virginia.
Like, it's a Mac school, and it's like, whoa, what the hell is going on here you know it's uh but I think Renbaker will get it right I think obviously DeVries leaving to Indiana if you've ever been around Indiana or understand the history of the Indiana hoops program even though they haven't had success in a long time which is why I think Indiana potentially I don't want to say desperate but even more so like I don't know what the contract is. None of us really know what the contract potentially is.
We looked it up. Salaries range from like $5 million to $8 million, I think, per year.
Buyout $6 million. But I think the IU Hoops team and the athletic department down there, after getting a chance to chat with them, they are very much like, hey, we're going to win in sports.
They got money. They're going to bring in players.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
AD, president came from georgia i think she came from georgia and uh she said we very much understood when our teams were good uh yeah enrollment everything else so she was like all in on like hey sports we're gonna be good ad same ad saying hey we're winning you know we are gonna win sports so it's like I think for IU fans, they're very excited about that. And I think Indiana basketball being good is good for college hoops.
I think that is something that is good. It just sucks that at the moment of the biggest snub in the history of the tournament, what other people are calling it, I'm reading that from other people saying that.
We also lose a guy who's a great basketball coach. It is a tough time right now in Mountaineer Land, even though all of our other sports are great.
Tough time right now. Yeah, you can understand why people would be pissed, because obviously if you're a West Virginia fan, like if I was, I'd be pissed too, but Indiana is one of those jobs in college basketball.
It's like Notre Dame or Michigan. It's one of those true blue blood jobs

that if you get that opportunity,

you just can't pass it up.

It doesn't really matter where you're at

because if he, like you mentioned,

Indiana hasn't been what they used to be in a while.

If he were to turn them around,

you're a legend forever.

Not just in the state of Indiana,

you're like a college basketball legend forever.

And I assume... Got a statue's around.
Exactly. That's pretty alluring.
And then not to mention, like, he's from the Midwest. Like, he already has a footprint here.
So that has something to do with it as well. But obviously, if you're a West Virginia fan, like, none of that.
You don't care about any of that. You're still pissed off.
Yeah, who's going to be coaching West Virginia now? Say McCollum? Bring back Huggy Bear. Yeah, if Rich Rowe got brought back, it's time to bring back Huggy Bear.

Why not?

The good old days.

Yeah, I think he's still around the program.

Still around the program.

Oh, yeah.

Still around the program.

Is he?

Whenever he got let go and then signed a contract and then didn't,

I mean, that was a whole thing.

And then Josh, i believe becomes coach

josh becomes the head coach but he was like titled the interim coach but he did a season yeah as the

interim coach that's tough to recruit on for sure yeah you know that is that's tough to do well and

then obviously we signed old buddy here and it's like we got some now we're now we're building back

again to being in the neck now we're officially in the next chapter of what wv hoops is going to be

Thank you. old buddy here and it's like we got some now we're now we're building back again to be in in the neck now we're officially in the next chapter of what wv hoops is going to be which has made had more success i think recently than iu has i think if you were to look like who's made a deeper run more recently iu or west virginia in the hoops world i think western hoops people would be like we know the last whatever many years has been bad, but I don't think Indiana's done anything since like early 2000s.
I think it's been a long... When's the last time they went on a deep run in the tournament? I don't know.
I knew that number because remember I mentioned it during the football. I was like, hey, this is a basketball school, but they haven't made it deep run since like 2000.
Their last Sweet 16 was 2016. Yeah, they had Tom Crean, I think.
But even then... What was the Elite Eight or Final Four or whatever it was? That was like Tom Coverdale.
Long time ago. Yeah, in the early 2000s.
Yeah, because I think West Virginia made, obviously, Elite Eight multiple times. Did we make a Final Four? I think.
I think West Virginia made a Final Four. Hugs? Deshaun Butler, maybe? I don't remember.
Because I think it was in Indy he got hurt. Did we host the Elite Eight? Indiana's last Final Four was 2002.
Last Elite Eight was also 2002. I will now look up the West Virginia Mouth.
Yeah, because once again, only pay attention during March. So, you know, easy come, easy go.
Yeah. A lot of magic.
They mesh together. Yeah, a lot of moments that can happen.
But even that Indiana team that you were talking about in, like, 2015, I'm pretty sure that year they were a one seed. They were either the number one overall seed or they were picked to go to the Final Four and maybe win the whole thing, and they got beaten to Sweet 16.
Go ahead. WU went to the Final Four in 2010.
Okay, Deshaun Butler and then, right? Yeah, it had to be. That was when he got hurt.
Huggins went down onto the court. It was like that was one of the moments of the tournament, right? Yeah, it was Des it was here in india i think so it was like well i think we only hosted the final four before his acl uh against duke and he was eventually a national deshaun was a dog duke deshaun was a cool dude too deshaun was uh he was a star worked his ass off there's a lot of those stars though there's like we had a lot of them kind of through the years there so i think like west virgin Virginia people are like, Hey, the logo went to school here, brother.
Like this is, I know football, obviously we are a blue collar, you know, mining state. So football is, you know, the sport of choice here, but basketball, we got some history here as well.
So I think that is what West Virginia people are saying. And hopefully that's what rent is selling.
And I don't know if we're, you know, I don't know if we're going to be able to keep up without you when it comes to the nil and the contracts and everything when it comes to basketball but i assume we're able to give good deals you know we got the freeze over some other schools last year hopefully ren's able to figure that out but ren baker what every offseason has some massive decision yeah yeah yeah come hire new guys every single year we got a new president i think because uh what's his name Bowtie? Gordon Gee. Oh, yeah, Gordon Gee.
Yeah, he was at Ohio State for a minute.

So he's going to... new guys every single year.
We got a new president, I think, because what's his name? Bow tie? Gordon Gee.

Oh, yeah, Gordon Gee. Yeah, he was

at Ohio State for a minute. So he's gone.

Did he get booed at Rich Rod's introductory

press conference when he got intro'd?

Sounded like it. I don't remember.

What did he do there? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't remember that.

I don't remember if it was him or somebody else.

I do wonder if it was his time,

though. I do wonder if it was his time though i do wonder if

it was like okay let's go separate ways you know new president i don't know he had a sweet bow tie he was nice to me he sent me a couple very nice messages throughout the time i didn't go to school whenever he was under the leadership and i don't know if it was his idea just to knock down an entire part of town that's really good time sure just the more sunny side that's every every college campus right turns commercial because you know that real estate's pretty uh pretty valuable yeah every apartment is going to be rented until when forever yeah as long as the school is here this this is a never-ending cash printing machine you see we just built a one complex in each university if we're able to do that we're rich forever forever. That's a good little market.
That's a good little deal. And they certainly did that.
Yeah, they just knocked down all these old houses that were certainly falling apart. To knock it over, I think all they had to do was shove it over.
I lived in one of those houses. That thing, living upstairs, it's an interesting spot.
It's like, am I upstairs tomorrow morning when I wake up, or am I potentially in the living room?

Life's good.

Let's go to the NFL.

There's a rule change season we are currently in.

People are pitching different rules.

I believe there has been six that have been made public.

Here's one.

To amend the current playoff seating format

and allow wildcard teams to be seated higher than division champs

if the wildcard team has a better regular season record. So this is obviously from the Lions because if you do recall week 18 game 17 for the Detroit Lions Minnesota Vikings were between two teams that if they won the game they'd be the number one seed in the entire NFC and if they lost'd be the fifth overall seed.
So now all of a sudden there's a lot different path to the Super Bowl just because somebody in your division is also having a number one overall team league seat. I don't know if they're gonna be able to pass this one just because the success of the playoffs.
I think the numbers and TV ratings that the playoffs get just right now are absurd. So I think it's going to be tough to get a pass.
But I do understand where they're coming from, A.J. Hawk.
Yeah, like you said, it does seem like this one would be tough to actually go through. But yeah, I get it.
I understand why you would propose this. But yeah, I think more of the rule-type changes are the things that you have a better chance to make some change in teams from crappy divisions are like we're not voting for that what are you talking about yeah we got a home playoff game yeah no way yeah no yeah i don't we understand okay must be nice teacher you remember when you were us you remember you remember when you were us that that will be said in the meeting room but i do understand where they're coming from from their perspective let's go to the next one here.
To prohibit an offensive player from pushing a teammate who is lined up directly behind the snapper and receives a snap immediately after the snap. This is from the Green Bay Packers.
We're done with the tush push. We are done with the tush push.
There is precedent now for this rule in this play to potentially be amended a bit. During special teams, it used to be that linebackers would get their hands both of them one on the left butt cheek of a d tackle and one on the right butt cheek of a d tackle and said d tackle would weigh 360 pounds and linebacker would be pushing d tackle through shoulders or chest of long snapper after he snaps well and then linebackers trying to jump up and block the ball.
Then people evolved and it would be two D tackles cockeyed like your pizza slicing your skis okay both facing this way and then the linebacker would have right hand on left ass cheek and then left hand on right ass cheek of D tackles and would be pushing 700 pounds sometimes, 600 pounds onto either guard or long snapper for field goal blocks. Boom.
And then trying to jump up and obviously the guard would actually die slowly, which is the name of the technique. Like you're going to die, just die slowly as these two gigantic humans are being aided by a linebacker who's pushing it.
So they did get rid of that. There is no pushing anymore.
There's no hands on cheeks, I believe, is the way it's kind of wrote out. So there is a chance that they can say precedent on the defensive side has been set about pushing and what's player safety and what's not player safety and how much pressure and force and weight can be dropped on somebody.
But I think too many football people in the room will say, it's quarterback sneak. So you just got to stop it or shut up in the entirety.
How do you think it goes, AJ Hawk? I don't think you stop this. And I don't see why you even try to stop this.
Like, if you can do it, like, your offense can do this as well. I know the Eagles seem to find a way to run it better than everybody else, but are you just saying

this is unfair? You can't say this is

a player safety thing. I understand

you can argue player safety for

pushing the guards and killing the center

and the guards on the field

goal, but here

what kind of player safety can you claim?

Chris Jones got

hurt during the

Super Bowl where he screwed up his neck and you

could say, well, that's on him because he

He's going to line in at the bottom of the pile. Any football person is not going to publicly say, we want to get rid of the quarterback sneak.
I don't think they'll go on the record. That's what I'm saying.
I don't know if you have to, but I don't think anybody will go on the record and say um i'm not anybody i don't think a majority of football people will go on the record and say that they want to ban this particular quarterback sneak in my eyes i i just think it's gonna be tough to hear people say go ahead yeah like that particular one that's what i was gonna say like you you could still make the argument for the eagles well we still have an advantage at quarterback sneak because of the fact that Jalen Hurts, you know, squats 500 pounds rather, but not having that, you know, push from behind. Then they'd obviously have to do it for defense too because the defense is towards, you know, the end of the season or I guess the entire season to, you know, counter the tush push.
They're pushing D linemen. They're just not getting the push that, you know, the Eagles are getting.
What an interesting thing. What an interesting predicament here.
And the Green Bay Packers are leading up. They're not doing it by themselves.
They've obviously heard from other people to think about doing it as well. But I also don't understand because they don't do this a whole bunch, but towards the end of the season, they were using Tucker Kraft.
They'd move him in motion and he'd take a snap and they would do the tush-push with him. And they were very successful with it.
So it's not like they haven't been doing it at all. I more so was thinking, well, they got burned so many times on fourth downs by the Lions and by these playoff teams that they can't stop it.
So maybe they're thinking that. But, yeah, I don't understand how you can use a player safety thing when so many teams do this, and very rarely do we see guys get hurt because of this.
Eagles just got it.

You just have to learn it. You got to find a way to run it with your offense, whether it's put a

tight end, put someone else, motion them in.

I don't know. So what is it? First and nine

then? Okay. Basically.

Is that what we're doing?

That's what somebody's saying.

Okay, so you got three plays

to get nine yards. Are we

Canadian football now? Is that what we're doing?

We're doing CFL rules, three downs? Okay.

So we're saying if it's we're just giving first downs away now that's what we're doing yeah well not everybody it seems like the eagles have a little better percentage than your team's oh shut up bills i'm pretty pumped uh to see the selling and what actually gets passed this one doesn't feel like it's getting passed this year you know but maybe a lot of these rules you know what can you say though what can you say this is not fair like this isn't like what's your argument i don't get it it's a boring play it's not football this is rugby like what are we playing that's what somebody was saying you know just like the the bane argument for the extra point was it's boring this this this place sucks yeah so too successful need to figure it out. Or we're going to get rid of it.
And then they were asking around the league. Come up with ideas.
And I heard one ownership group wanted to propose a 60-yard extra point. A 60-yard extra point.
Just go out there. Just you and a little stick.
60 yards. You get five points if you make it? Nope, just one.
It's one point. It's an extra point.
Play music. Yeah, well, that's when, once I heard that was an idea.
Yeah. Once I heard that was an idea, that's when I really.
The stage. Okay, so we are.
Okay, so we're exploring a space here. We're coming up with some ideas.
Yeah. Stage.
Smoke. Music.

For one point.

Can Adam Vinatieri

hit this kick from a spinning stage?

Spinning stage.

I'd watch yeah every time trying to make it exciting i mean when i heard 60 yarder for one point was being pitched i'm like oh so we're trying to make this like a show okay okay i can do this yeah i like i like what we're thinking and i'll be i'll be honest adam was not happy with my suggestions sure he He asked me why I make a mocker out of it. Why don't I respect the game? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
And why don't I appreciate the game? I'm saying I'm trying to keep the foot in football, brother. Okay? I'm trying to keep all three phases.
I don't want them to get rid of it. And if this is what they're going with, my idea, much more fun.
And he goes, you want to see me on a stage? Yeah. who does it is he wearing full pads still you know i want to see him running set up like can you imagine the how tough it'd be like you'd be so much you'd be so anxiety written if you're one of the people though that has to run the little spinning stage out there and make sure it works in the moment because you have like it's on the side of the field it's on the side of the field so you know just like, if you score on the left side, you have to kick from the left one.
If you score on the right side, you've got to kick from the right one. It's always going.
Yeah, that thing's always spinning. Okay.
I didn't know that. Okay, it's even better.
Whole game. Whole game.
Wow. That thing's spinning.
They'll actually have a counter on how many times. Yeah.
This thing has spun 985 times thus far. Does it go faster? Every quarter, it starts spinning a little bit faster.
So, if're getting an extra point in overtime, like that thing, you can barely see the dude. No, that's like icing the kicker instead of timeout.
Yeah, you can up the speed, turn up, but you can only do it once a game. You can't do it multiple times, so you kind of have to pick and choose.
So you fake like the head coach has his hand on the controller, and he's faking like he's going to make you spin faster? Nope, not this time. Yeah, it depends on how many time like if you have three timeouts you could do multiple things you could have it spin faster you could have it vibrate and maybe and maybe rock back and forth a little bit okay so they said that we were making a mocker out of it sure and uh they ended up with a 33 yard extra point and uh idiots i think that has made you know a little bit more electrifying it looked weird for a while because they had the way they sold things on the field was still as if it was extra point.
Now the field, the business, I think the camera, us as viewers have all kind of adapted to it and we keep it moving. I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to get used to this new kickoff setup.
That's going to be tough. It's a weird setup.
It is a very interesting setup just because in every other play, there's a line of scrimmage, you know, and in this one, there's two of them. So it's just interesting.
But they're trying to keep the foot in football, so I respect. Let's go to the next rule that is being pitched here.
To align the postseason and the regular season, overtime rules are granting both teams an opportunity to possess the ball regardless of the outcome of the first possession, subject to a 15 minute overtime period in the regular season okay so touchdown wins game on first drive field goal extends game so if you hit a field goal on the first drive of overtime the other team can answer if you hit if you score a touchdown that's both balls in the cup brother that is game over unanswerable so i think that's the right move just keep it the same yes yes playoffs yes i think a lot of people probably assume it is the same as the playoffs if they had to guess especially because the buffalo bills can say chief situation a few years back i think this one should pass aj your thoughts absolutely keep it the same way there's we know that there's players that didn't know the the overtime rules between the the regular season and the playoffs you're right that mic'd up situations where they're like, what? It's over. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, it is. That's game.
Yeah, sorry about it. You now move to week 14.
Good luck. Got a must win.
Go ahead. Super Bowl with the Niners.
They didn't realize the entire situation with the Chiefs where there's that clip of Mahomes when they're doing the Super Bowl overtime and they had no idea that the rules were the Chiefs get the ball no matter what. And that was right after it.
Oh, yes, because it is different in the playoffs. Yeah, both teams have to get the ball.
Yes, have to. There's no – I don't even know what the counter is.
I don't even know what – It shouldn't be different. Regular season should not be different from playoffs when it comes to any rule, really.
Who's voting no to that? What would be the reasoning to vote? You can claim player safety to the game. You don't want a regular season game going five hours.
Is that what they claim? No, because it ends in a tie. That's what they'll say.
But it's the same deal. Then you can just be like, well, then why are we playing on Thursdays? Well, then why are we playing for 15 total minutes then? Yeah.
There's a lot of questions. Why do you extend it with a field goal but not a touchdown like there's there's really no this one passes i think so congrats to football getting better congrats congrats um congrats what team pitched that eagles eagles uh feels like that one's gonna pass let's go to the next one could be wrong once again we are not voters this is what we're projecting to happen the detroit lines say they want to eliminate an automatic first down as a penalty imposed for defensive holding, and illegal contact.
They, like, get their hands on you. This one's not.
I love this. I'm about sick of us, a little ticky-tack bullshit, and they get to extend their drive all of a sudden.
Why? Because we play football? Okay. And now we're letting the refs decide whether or not a call that can be called a lot and kind of just sneak through the rule book book let them decide and have it be another first down that's what the lions are saying yeah i think they were the most penalized secondary in the nfl last year so they said we're not going to change the way we play defense let's change the rules that's not but hey to be clear everybody tells us they would play the way we play if they could let's let it let's let everybody grab everybody how do you feel about this? I think this one might be tough to get through, especially since the Lions are with the most penalized secondary.
You know, they were guilty of doing this a lot. Yeah, does that play a factor when they think about voting these rules through? Like, hey, who is proposing this? Definitely.
Yes. Just like Cards Against Humanity, we've said it once, we'll say it a thousand times.
When you're playing that particular game, I don't even know if people play it anymore,

but you've got to play the person.

You've got to always know the person that is making decisions,

the person that is speaking, the person that is giving an opinion.

You have to know why that person feels the way they feel.

Like Bubba Cunningham.

All right, anyways.

Yes, they will hold that against the line.

Somebody will roll out stats, probably. Is this your defense right here this is our defense stop holding our guys i just paid jamar and t exactly we would like a first down yeah so not going to pass through us let's go to another rule change that's being proposed this one's from the pittsburgh steelers allowing teams to have direct contact with free agents and set up travel during the negotiating window.
That's Monday at noon, as opposed to having to wait till Wednesday

at four. There's this tampering period that has been legalized by the NFL where all these deals

are done and the teams are not allowed to physically meet the player during this time.

They're allowed to talk to the agent. They're allowed to meet with the agent, not allowed to

meet with the player because once again, that would be too much tampering, too much recruiting, as opposed to just throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at them you can't meet them in person i feel like this one gets passed for some reason i feel like this is a a pretty easy one in my eyes but then they'll have to limit how much travel does each guy have to take and where are the meetings and how the meetings all that comes into play next aj yeah so are they saying though the the steers saying, we can just set up their travel and we can speak directly to the player during the tampering period, but they still can't come in and physically come to your facility until the free agent opens up? Yeah, they probably just want to, you know, let's get some eyes, hands, conversation, because you hear stories probably about people. You try to background check.
I think they can talk. I think maybe not.
To the agent. They can talk to the agent right now agent right now it says right there's also not as many direct flights pittsburgh so it's like hey this we're scheduling this travel stuff okay we've got to get a couple days advance on a lot of people you know these chicago atlanta's dallas these big airports you know they can direct flights boom soon as free agency starts things scheduled okay let's make it a level playing field uh pittsburgh was supposed to have so many flights they got a brand new airport.
Really? Yeah, they're building a brand new airport. The last time we got a brand new airport, it came with a deal with what? U.S.
Airways? I think it was U.S. Airways.
Oh, nice. They were going to make Pittsburgh a hub.
It was for a little bit, right? I don't know how many years later. They just left.
Yeah, U.S. Air.
They left. So you show up at that airport.
It happened whenever I was gone because I would fly back and it's just like literally full empty terminal just no planes outside it's like, this is sad. That's weird.
This is sad. But you bank on the deal, the contract and somehow it ended up not happening and once that takes place then you start losing, you know, you don't because for them business wise how many flights are we going to like Indianapolis, super clean clean airport.
Nice airport. Very nice airport.
Easy to get in and out. Now, is there flights to a lot of places? Yeah.
We'll get you to a hub. We'll get you to a hub.
The tough thing about the small ones. Yeah, but they're beautiful.
You know, it's a really nice airport. It's cool.
You can get it on and off a plane. You can get in and out pretty easily, but, yeah, you just got to take a 40-minute flight to a hub.
Pittsburgh's airport, you know, got Franco Harris right next to Georgia, Washington. Dropping ball.
Found a country, saved a city. That's welcome to Pittsburgh.
Let's go to the next rule, shall we? The pro football talk report of seven teams proposing K-balls to be prepared before the game is one that I heard about back at the combine. Okay.
So there were some special teams coordinators from numerous teams. He said seven in this report.
I assume that's how many people actually put their names on it or whatever. I think this is a very much a unanimous, hey, this is what we're thinking.
So the K-ball preparation is a lot more of a conversation than people could have ever imagined. So back in the day, you used to be able to bring your own ball to kick, own ball to throw.
Everybody just brings their own balls. You play with your own balls, you go home.
So the kickers started really experimenting. They started really, really experimenting on how you get the ball the most beat up.
Because because the more beat up ball the further it's going to fly brand new ball more plasticky it's hard to kind of dent the outer shell and inevitably thrust it uh as far as you possibly can so a beat up ball is the best ball you can get we're talking like 10 yards different 15 yards difference maybe that much really between a brand new ball and a very, very, very beat up ball. Like not great at wind and everything plays in.
But like 7 to 15 yards, very much like game changer. Big deal.
It's a big deal on these broken in balls. So at some point there's this folklore story that one of the kicker's balls or punter's balls was in for a punt.
and then the other team decided to go for it so the k ball ended up in in actual play and it was uh some notable far maybe yeah maybe brett farve and the ball was so beat up that it was like so like oversized and just like no grip a pick was thrown and then immediately there was full fucking chaos about how we got to get these k balls back right away we're gonna have more of a thing because it can't be determining outcomes of games because the quarterback can't so like literally that is like the folk tale i don't know what this is back in like 2000 maybe maybe 1999 so this is way back in this thing so then they instituted a rule brand new balls literally box opened handed to refs onto the field i forget it was i think it was like three four years or something like that and it was i couldn't thank god i did not play during that time like that is i assume if you go back and look at the numbers terrible like i assume not good numbers so then all the special teams coordinators came around and then there was a an agreement with the nfl where it was like okay we'll have k balls and the equipment managers while being watched by an nfl official will have 30 minutes with the seven balls and uh they will be allowed a brush there's just one spray thing and then a towel that's all they're allowed to have so these equipment managers one from our team one from another team will go into a bathroom in the stadium before the game like 90 minutes before the game they would have an official watching them they would start a clock and they would have 30 minutes to beat up a ball okay 30 minutes to rub the shit out of it you know sweat in there like the whole thing our guy would come out drenched we're talking about drenched sweat and i would me and

vinnie would be like my man thank you thank you thank you us and other kickers and punters on

other teams we would talk about who the the ball rubber is who's the ball like hey who's your

who's your guy who's your your guy and they say we got a guy he's good he's new and we we would

say we got a guy so our guy would get ball one because ball one's going to be in the field

the most their guy would get ball two so then our guy would get three so like then there would be

Thank you. new and we would say we got a guy so our guy would get ball one because ball one's going to be in the field the most their guy would get ball two so then our guy would get three so like then there would be like a plan beforehand like hey is your guy good and i'd be like yeah good guy's like okay then no conversation needed our guy great so like let's let our guy kind of do his thing and there were seven balls usually only the first three balls would make it into a game the others would be sold for game use but they were never they never saw the field so now they're trying to get to a point where it's like just like the quarterbacks are allowed to prepare their own balls and bring their own balls and then they get tested at game time just let the teams bring their own balls and you can test it at game time and if it's too despicable or not game ball enough kick it out kickers want the ball hard not soft so it's like the air pressure will be there if it's beat up you can tell if it's too beat up like there were some games back in the day

laces were popping off the ball and it's like that would be awesome just to have an actual helium

balloon not that helium would help that has been myth buster but for that big of a thing like a

rugby ball like an aussie ball i mean the sweet spot gets bigger the bigger the ball gets so it's

like that i think they can do both i think that's what the special teams people are pitching like

I'm sorry. of a thing like a rugby ball like an aussie ball i mean the sweet spot gets bigger the bigger the ball gets so it's like that i think they can do both i think that's what the special teams people are pitching like hey just let us bring our own ball you can test them and then we just keep it moving we'll use our balls they use their balls and we just keep it moving so what i'm saying is something is minute in a lot of people's eyes is the k balls this has been a conversation for like decades and uh crazy i think this is the right answer i think you know we're kind of getting back to where it used to be before they were putting it in the washer and dryer putting in a sauna guys were putting a ball in the sauna obviously we're up beating it up in the sauna so the thing will grow and then obviously you pump it up as much as you possibly can it was like they were they were you know abuse leads to restriction sure and that is potentially what happened there.
But they felt as if it was

gamesmanship. And that's

where we're back at the beginning for the K-Ball.

Great guy, huh? Why wouldn't they let the kickers and punters

have that 30 minutes to do it?

Great question. I don't know.

To be clear, I never

asked. I was always like, Frog, my guy.

Yeah, you had a guy, dude. That's a valuable

spot. Very valuable spot very valuable

spot we would go to teams and they would say we got a bad guy and i'm like oh sorry man oh

because like you feel it like whenever we played in london walt uh the ref you know he had ball seven on the he was putting ball seven on the field on purpose and i'm like these people actually like us over here like in england these people actually are like they'll cheer a big time punt and i get the ball for like the kickoff and it's like what is this this is this and i look it's ball seven i'm like why are you doing that to us why why brand new ball use somebody snaps one let's say uh little gamesmanship has been done in the past um like a game winner away game ball boy throws in ball four as opposed to like ball three ball two you know like one of those situations has happened and as soon as you catch

a snap it's like oh this is you can literally feel as soon as you catch it you can feel it and uh

it's a game changer how many of these rules are passed that's six being pitched what did we think

two of them k-ball passes that steelers probably passes yeah cable on playoff rule yeah the eagles

Let's it. I think those three will pass.
Joining us now is a man who had been in the NFL for his entire life. Now he is the general manager for the North Carolina Tar Heel football team.
Where was he on selection Sunday? Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Oh, Pat, I was right there.
Look at what we did last night. I mean, maybe the conversation should have been, why was San Diego State in the thing? Damn, we took all the heat.
We played. Well, San Diego State's athletic director wasn't the chairman of the selection committee okay lambo and you know bubba much better than i do bubba's a good man bubba's a good man i just need to know that bubba's a good man good man you know everybody's good people down here at north carolina and certainly with the great tradition we have look i don't know how it all goes in there but you know look we proved it last night on the court and you know the other thing is too our women's basketball team there we're hosting here too third you know with a three seed a lot things going on here in chapel hill i saw you and uh coach belichick delivering some pizzas you know uh absolutely yeah there you go hey you guys love him speaking to the team he said we and us a lot like and you just said we we and us talking about North Carolina feels like you guys are fully in huh you guys are all the way in it's the greatest I'll tell you Pat you got to come down here and you got to there's coach Banghart Courtney she's great I mean you got to come down here and go into Carmichael and experience the place that Jordan took the roof off of it's magical it really is I mean you I mean, you walk in there.
Now, I know you've been to Butler where they filmed the movie Hoosiers and all that. And that sent me chills when I went in there.
But every time I go into Carmichael here on the campus of the University of North Carolina, it's amazing because all I can think about is how many shots Jordan practiced in that arena. You know, how many did he make and how many did he miss? Like his whole life was in there.
You could just feel it when you go in there. It's incredible.
Yeah, some greatness and, you know, great colors too. I mean, you guys' uniforms are the best.
I love how much you have just taken ownership of being at UNC. Where are you guys at right now? Because we got, what, the next transfer portal coming up in April.
Spring is not happening. You guys are on break.
What's happening right now? No, we've got spring practice today, which is great. It'll be our fifth practice of our spring.
So we've got that at 5 o'clock tonight. And a lot of recruiting going on.
The portal doesn't open up until April 15th, which will get an opportunity to evaluate our team where we are and then to go look in the portal to see what's available for us to sign to help our team for the 25 season. And then really our focus has been on the 26 season, really doing a good job trying to recruit players for that.
And, you know, that's ongoing. What's been the difference between college and pro is when you work like everybody's working on one draft board now in pro football.
They're working on getting their boards set up. In college, you've got the 25 board, the 26 board, the 27, and the 28.
I mean, we have young kids that come watch us practice from 27 that are, you know, they're just 15 years old, and they look like they could play pro football today. How many of those guys are going to end up wearing carolina blue how many as many as we can pat look the one thing is there's no one thing about this is you're not limited to draft picks and we're not waiting for the compensatory picks to come around we got a lot of first round picks we can use how's bill how's bill at practice compared to when he was with the patriots what is his is it the same is it different how is he coaching versus maybe when he coached uh in the nfl well i think the hardest challenge for him and our coaching staff is how to teach the players how to practice properly nobody needs to be on the ground we need to have physical contact we need to be a physical football team but that doesn't mean we need to be everybody in the training room all beat up.

So I think that's the process.

Bill Walsh said he took him two years to teach the 49ers back in 1979 until really they got to about 1981 when they learned how to practice without pads on.

You guys know from playing in the league that sometimes the practice tends to slow down when you don't have pads on, and that doesn't make it a good practice. But you have to find a way to be physical without pads on and beating everybody up.
And that takes a process. We have to teach players how to do that, and I think that's what coach is working on now.
How many stay off the ground? That's a lot of that, huh? There's a lot of that? You've heard it. Yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of stay off the ground. You know, there's a few stay off the effing ground there's a few just stay off the ground we got a little bit of both yeah depending upon how severe the punishment is depending upon how severe the uh the crime is now uh the connor just uh reminded me you guys doing no numbers down there right now no numbers see but everybody miscommunicate everybody thinks this is some kind of form of punishment and all There's a method to everything coach does.
And one of the things we have to work on here at North Carolina is our communication. Right? We've got to know everybody on the team.
We've got to be able to not just call out, hey, 79, you've got the A gap. You've got to slide down.
You need to know the player's name. You know, you need to be able to communicate.
And it highlights communication. Everybody, when we did it in New England, everybody felt like, oh, it's just that we didn't want the media to know who the players were.
Well, that wasn't true at all. We wanted to work on communication, and that's what we're doing here.
And that's one of the great things about it is we can practice communication. One of the things you see, look, let's take the game.
The Rams are sitting here not winning the Super Bowl or playing the Super Bowl because they had failed communication on two of their last protections when Matthew Stafford got sacked when they were going in the red zone. That's a communication issue.
It wasn't a talent issue. So practicing communication is really important.
Yeah, and learning everybody's name. When you're watching film, that has to be a nightmare.
Yeah, that has to be a nightmare. Look, I would like the numbers on him.
I mean, is that – wait a minute. Who is that? Now, he's got no – wait a minute.
He has no pads on. Wait a minute.
He has no – wait. He's got a tail behind his legs.
He's wearing a pad. Like, you go out there and you have to mark the players on your sheet so that you know who you're watching.
Sleeve, left sleeve. Got it.
Visor. That is fantastic.
Go ahead, AJ. Lombo, what's the plan for a possible spring game? I know a lot of teams are going away from it.
They're not doing it in Colorado. I know Dion wants to possibly bring another team in.
What are you guys planning on doing down there? Well, we're going to have a spring event. We're not going to have a spring game.
I mean, that whole breaking the team up into two sides. I mean, look, one thing we've learned through a lot of years, when Bill first came to Cleveland in 1991, the New York football giants practiced in full pads on Friday, right? And when Bill started, we started practicing on half shells, the players almost had that at our time.
So, you know, we've learned over the years how to practice better, right, and how to get more out of less practice. So I think the game really isn't as much about the portal, isn't as much about making sure you get more out of your practice than just trying to beat up on one another.
And I think obviously there will be times where we have to go live in our practices but I think like anything you got to build yourself up to it you just can't start hard I mean we're not Bear Bryant you know down at Texas A&M before when he got down there next thing you know he only had like 20 players left that's not what you need to do well I think not only that and I respect that that's the angle you know in it all and you said splitting up the team into two teams I love that that's not even a thought like we're not going to be we're all tar heels here we're not splitting each other up into two teams will be offense defense special teams but you know we're not going to do that also the more i think about it there is zero upside to a spring game okay let's start rattling off all the bad things so if you have a spring game you have a starter and starter, and you have a backup then somewhere, okay? So then you just told the backup that they're the backup, okay? Do they want to hit that transfer portal after your spring game because they're going to be a backup? What about a third stringer who might end up being the starter after training camp, depending upon how he plays? He's not on the ones or the twos. He's like, well, get me the hell out of here.
And it's like, well, you have no idea what training camp could look like in the fall it might be vastly different they're gone you put on film now so other teams are going to see who you got then you're potentially getting people poached it's like there's just so many ramifications now in the modern um college football they're like i don't know how a spring game does i don't know how they save the spring game it's gonna have to be a spring like festival more than like you're saying a spring event i think that's the only answer legitimately well like deon wants to practice against another team but i don't think the nc2a will allow that and based on the rules which i think something needs to obviously we need to change that because i think it would help the it would help the quality of play once the regular season starts it would help your team and help It'll help you evaluate your team, especially now that we're dealing in a portal. And now that we have revenue streams coming in.
Would you televise it? Would you televise that or no? I don't think so. I mean, look, why wouldn't you? He's going to, you know, somebody would watch it.
Look, we don't get enough football as it is. We want to, you know, the spring league draws people.
I'm sure people would watch a good spring game. Look, you know, one thing we know about spring spring games people have watched them that they're all over the networks yeah dude i that's what i don't just i'm thinking about from a west virginia perspective and a lot of these schools perspective it's like if you have a spring game on tv and you have somebody that goes bananas okay freshman sophomore goes crazy in the spring game all of a sudden there is you've got a transfer window.
Yeah, coming up. Literally in a week or like two weeks coming up, there's some – no offense, Ohio State, you know, they're not the only one.
And Ohio State obviously loaded the wide receiver position or they wouldn't need – whoever would be of, you know, need of that position, it's like a lot of these schools got a massive bank account that could just be like hey you want to come to penn state uh 1.5 we didn't know we didn't recruit you we just saw what you did and then all of a sudden i don't know that's tough man i think the spring festival is the way to go to celebrate the sport uh but also if we have combined practices that'd be electrifying let's not slow that down either okay a couple of the boys have some more questions about you from an nfl perspective I know you saw this. I know you saw the play.
Let's go to Cincinnati. Connor has a question for you.
Yeah, Alombo, how do you feel about the Jamar Chase and T. Higgins deals? Obviously, I believe it's damn near $70 million combined per year for their top two guys.
Keeping them both sounds like it's going to be real tough to keep Trey Hendrickson, but we'll see what happens uh what do you think about this and do you think the uh cincinnati bangles are set up for long-term success with these two guys locked down well i think both of them are great players there's no question both of them deserve to get paid i think this is more of a question and you already know the answer to this connor you're asking me you know how i feel about this It's like, this was a setup. I mean, this is an alley-oop, right? I mean, you expect me to dunk this.

I know how this is going to go. But look, I don't know how you do it.
If you can't block, I mean, maybe since he's made a deal with Pittsburgh and Baltimore and, you know, and all the other teams that they're going to count to five Mississippi when they rush. And so they can throw the ball to these guys.
You know, I don't know. Maybe they've worked it out.
I don't understand it. But to me, when I watch the Bengals, I see that Joe Burrow gets hit way too much.
You know, and they're going to have to fix that. Now, can they do it in the draft? Look, Duke Tobin will do a good job trying to find players.
I don't doubt that. But for me, it's not the perfect scenario.
And again, I'm going to say this a thousand times. Coach Walsh told me this.
When he told me to go do a project on three receivers in 1984, Al Toon, Jerry Rice, and Eddie Brown, he said to me, after he told me to do a research project on those three players, he said, we're finally now in position to draft a great receiver. Because his belief was, which he really gave to this is why I'm is you can't be you can't have great if you can't block and these guys are great there's no question we're not arguing their talent or their value I'm not arguing that I'm arguing team building can we find young offensive linemen that we can play with and protect Joe Burrow because Joe Burrow is the franchise yeah and Joe Burrow allegedly had some sway uh in T Higgins and Jamar Chase getting signed and if they are able to find an offensive line that can protect Joe Burrow they'll be able to score with absolutely anybody I think we all agree with that now defense last year was not good they actually fired D coordinator it's like can they figure that out and also figure out trey hendrickson that's currently the sack king that's a lot hey good luck to you though hey i'm pumped for back look it maybe it'll work but i think when they went to the super bowl and almost beat the rams their defense played a lot better than they did and i think to me to play great defense in the nfl you got to practice you got to have to haveity within your defense.
I don't think it's a game. Football is not a game where you just turn it on.
Look, the Eagles went from being horrible on defense to being really good. Now, Vic takes a lot of credit and deservingly so for making that defense better.
But it was also the way they changed their strength and conditioning and how they conditioned the players. And I think if you ask Callie Roseman, he would say the changes he made in terms of the physical development of the players were as much to do as the scheme change.
I wonder how the food was over there in Philly, you know, that's being talked about. Cincinnati has been for a long time.
Food in a facility, not the greatest. Yeah.
They make it in slop buckets. No.
Wasn't that the story? Old Gatorade bucket. No.
It does get an F a lot, but I don't think they're doing that. Remember, they're developing.
They're changing. They're paying a lot of money to a lot of people.
They're doing business. Hopefully, the Bengals are able to figure it out.
What I was going to say is, for Bengals fans, they're incredibly pumped. I think they're just spending money.
You're like, oh, this is the first time Bengals and Mr. Brown and their family have really gone after anybody.
Is it a style that can win in 2025? We shall see. We're running up here on a hard out about 50 seconds from now.
So I would like to ask you, did you read the 80,000 pages? Have you got through the- I'm working through it, Pat. I'm still working through it, but I think it's, you know, it's going to take me a little bit of time.
I spent a little morning, I got up a little earlier this morning to read some of it. I'm fascinated by it.
I'm down the rabbit hole, as you know. It's just too good, but I'm counting on Matt Crumpton, who runs a great podcast called Solving JFK, to read most of it, and then he'll educate me when I listen to it.
80,000 pages. How many pages is the Bible? Do we know how many pages the Bible is? Not anywhere near 80,000.
So just think, 80,000. Have you ever been to the LBJ library? I mean, he's got five floors of books just of his memorandum.
See you Monday! You nailed it. We got it.
We're good. We got it right on time.
80,000 pages. It says the Bible is somewhere between 1200 and 1600 yeah yeah so you know so and the bible a bit more yeah thick the issue here is who's reading through and picking and choosing what we you know now that's the game oh we got plenty of people doing that pat now we got some really good people in there people in there that kind of go through it.
And a lot of them. I'm on the side that Lee wasn't on the sixth floor.
So that's the side. Oh, yeah, you're saying we.
What happened? Lumber, what happened? 80,000 pages. AJ, fucking read it.
Why don't you do it? Well, you know what? That's a long story, Connor. We don't have enough time to cover it but it obviously good it wasn't it wasn't a proud moment in our american history let me just say that what a wild thing for it to be released now in from what i mean that just dropped into my timeline yesterday hey here's the link 80 000 pages get the word it's up to you just tell them lombo i'm like i don't i i don't want to get to 80 80 000 pages but then i was intrigued then i started seeing screenshots from the 80 000 pages i'm like well what was happening on the page before that page and what was happening on the page after that there was a guy there's a guy there's two people that really have been the forefront of this john armstrong who's all his papers are at balor university which are incredible he is the guy that that basically uncovered the fact that there were a lot of Lee Harvey Oswald impersonators.
Tremendous researcher. Wrote a great book called Harvey and Lee.
And then Jim Garrison, who was taken through the coals for his investigation and the trial of Clay Shaw. But his documentation and his research and his, really, his studying of it is remarkable.
You got me. You don't want to go down here got let's talk football we'll get back to ball but i do appreciate the fact that every once in a while i'll see a lumbo tweet that's just like oh bullshit basically to somebody that's saying so i'm like oh this guy's really passionate this guy really passionate hopefully you'll get all the answers you need in that 80 000 pages and who's picking and choosing what we see that's now a part of the whole game I did see one redacted part a couple different those that seems it's all uh love that it's a wild time to be alive right now it is a wild time to be alive right now let's move along back to the NFL AP Tone has a question for you yeah Lambo the big story in the NFL right now is what Aaron Rodgers is going to do uh there was news on that today that the Vikings potentially do not or are not expecting Aaron Rodgers to be their quarterback because they're going with J.J.
McCarthy now if you are the GM of the Giants Joe Shane or the Steelers Omar Khan are you okay with just sitting back and seeing what Aaron wants to do or is there like a drop dead date, by the draft, we need to know. If you're one of the GM of those teams,

what are you saying to Aaron?

Well, I think everything about when you put a timeline on it

is do you have leverage, right?

Because you really don't have a timeline

when you don't have any leverage, right?

And so like, where's Pittsburgh going to get their next quarterback?

I mean, I don't know.

I mean, they certainly can't think where they pick in the draft. They're going to find a guy who's going to come in and quarterback? I mean, I don't know.
I mean, you know, they certainly can't think

where they pick in the draft.

They're going to find a guy who's going to come in

and start for them, right?

And so I know they signed Mason Rudolph back,

and certainly they don't think that he's,

you know, they had him once.

Maybe they think they can be the backup,

but they lost two quarterbacks.

They don't seem to have any inclination

to want to sign Russell Wilson back.

So that to me is you can only have a timeline when you have another option, when you have an answer. And you say, look, I need an answer here.
I'm going to sign player Y. Or I need an answer here.
I'm going in this direction. I mean, it's the same thing that happens in college football, in the portal and in high school recruiting.
Look, here's our offer. If you don't take this offer, I'm taking somebody else down the street because there is somebody else.
But when there's nobody else down the street, you just got to sit back and wait. Mason Rudolph, please, is back in Pittsburgh.
Dog. Okay, please, understand that.
And you like Aaron with the Pittsburgh Steelers? I think if Aaron went with Mike Tomlin. Now, look, I know Atlanta paid Kirk Cousins too, so I think he probably is in this conversation because I can't believe, even though they paid him the $10 million to be on the roster, that they wouldn't do something with him to move the contract.
So I think that certainly is. I know there's a lot of fanfare around Joe Milton and how he's going to be traded, but nobody really knows if Milton can play.
I think if you're Pittsburgh and you've added this receiving core, DK Metcalf, and to go along with George Pickens and Firemuth and to have some really talented offensive players, I think you're going to have to find somebody to come in and play right away. I would think they want to.
I think they want an answer on Aaron, and I think they're going to have to wait as long as Aaron wants to decide. AJ, how long is he waiting? Got me, man.
That's why I was curious to see if there was a deadline, but it seems like there's not really. I don't know how there can be because if I'm the agent, let's just type it.
Let's play this through. If you call me up and I tell Aaron, you know, I need a deadline.
Aaron's going to say, well, who are you going to go with? Like, who's my competition? Who are you going with? You know, if you wanted to sign Russell Wilson back, you already would have done that. If you wanted to trade it for Kirk Cousins, I'm sure you probably could have done that by now.
So I think that's what you have to look at. Look, everything's a negotiation and everything's about leverage.
Where is the leverage point? It's on a beach in California right now, it seems like. Okay.
And there's a chance. There's a chance he doesn't play, too.
Exactly. Right? AJ, that's still a thing or no? Yeah AJ that's still a thing or no I don't think that's a possibility but it is yeah I'm sure it is you are still steadfast that he's playing ball again you I want to let you know me over the last 24 hours for some reason what if this guy just retires just because of how it's all played out publicly and once again aaron has said nothing aaron has said absolutely nothing there's been i think shefter put something out from those close there and it's like that's not real that's not uh like we love shefty and maybe there is somebody of notable that is giving this information but that could be completely false too like that is you know just from And AJ, need you to like kind of co-sign this but for like the last five years we've been a part of this you know in the off season and it's like there's how many people that know probably what's going on two there's maybe maybe that's lombo yeah lombo's not even in there long voters aj's like maybe in the group of the people that knows.
And it's like a tight little group. So it's like, what if he does? When it comes to Aaron, I tend to not listen to, I think part of the job of being an NFL executive is to understand what to listen to and whatnot.
And all the people that do this for a living that do scoop, you know, there is a stat sheet, you know, there is a stat sheet you have to keep and you've got to pay attention. You know, if somebody says X about Y, whether it's the place, you believe it.
But if they say it about something else, we're in the lying season now in the NFL. I mean, we're in draft season.
Everybody lies. I mean, everybody, how many times have we gone through this guy's hot? He's going to move the draft boards, and then he's sitting there in the green room forever.
So I think you have to really pay attention and grade the guys that are giving out information because you've got to know whether you can trust it or not. Yeah, we've got to pay attention to those doing the scoop.
Yeah, exactly. We do have to pay attention.
Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Lambo, when you were with us last in Indy, all the reports came out that said, hey, listen, the North Carolina Tar Heels, they're

going to be doing a hard knocks, off

season type deal, and you basically said right away

like, yeah, I'm not so sure about that. We

haven't signed off on that. That probably

isn't going to happen. Will and behold,

it's not happening. Was that

something that you guys decided?

Was that a university decision?

How did that come to be? Because ultimately,

I think all of us were thinking that would have been pretty awesome to watch you guys. Yeah, it would have been great.
The problem was that we control the story we need to tell here. And the story we want to tell doesn't end after we play TCU.
The story that we want to tell is a story about how we're rebuilding this program, how we're going to honor the great players who have come before us, how we're going to restore Tar Heel football and make this stadium come alive on Saturday afternoons like a lot of other schools in the ACC. That's the story we want to tell.
And when it stops after the first game like Hard Knocks does, it doesn't really do us any good to tell that story.

And that really was the concern that we all had here in the building was we're storytellers.

When you let them in your building, we're going to tell a story.

And the story we want to tell was about how we're working to build this program, and we're going to work hard to recruit and do all that.

And that extends into September, October, and November. It can't stop at Labor Day.
And I think that was more of the issue. Now, obviously, there was a lot of misinformation, mostly from somebody who runs a website, as we all know, and who's never gotten it right.
But that's okay. He keeps writing it.
And we'll continue to not listen to what he says because he has no sources. And life goes on.
But I think that's what I was trying to allude to on that day. Pat, you're shaking your head.
You enjoy that, right? No, no, yeah. I knew, yeah, we knew.
Yeah, yeah. I knew we were going to this place, too.
I mean, it was as you were rolling. Because the day we asked you the question about it, it was just assumed.
Like, yeah, this bill belichick's um relationship with nfl films he was living there like it felt like so it was just like a matter of fact almost and we all love the offseason hard knocks so i think people got excited about this being a thing and then boom boom boom and then you come on our show and it's like uh i don't know about that yet and nobody even listened to you nobody even listened Then no. And then it got extended.
Then it all of a sudden it became the NFL was mad at, at, at, at Bill because he was doing hard knocks that remember that story that came out. Oh yeah.
All this shit goes. It's like a half truth.
All these things are like half truths. And then they get sent out and they become, this is the actual tale.
You were like, we are definitely talking to the NFL films. People were talking to a lot of people people though because we have something special here we understand that but nothing has been agreed to but that's like the world that we're in and then the reporting of you guys not doing it was like in a turn it's like this was never a turn this was uh this was never a decision that was made it was just falsely being reported as such that happens to uh that happens to a lot of people yeah and a lot of things on the internet these days you right yeah i think hard knocks is great and we love everybody in NFL Films Ken Rogers i mean they're tremendous and they've been great to us and to Bill but i think to me it's really about what story do we want to tell right and we wanted to tell a full story of our year and we still are in talks about telling that story and eventually we we'll sign a contract that has that story involved.
But that's what we need to tell. Because remember, we're recruiting every day.
You know, Al Davis used to tell me this all the time, Pat. He said, you know, when you talk, and of course he said you shouldn't talk very much, but when you do talk, you have three people you're talking to.
You're talking to the owner, you're talking to the team, and you're talking to the fans. And when we talk here at North Carolina, we're recruiting.
We're recruiting to our fan base, we're recruiting young prospective players, and we're recruiting to our alumni. And so those are the three things we have to center on every single day.
And that's our audience. Our audience isn't doing something that's out of the...
And car and i don't want to you know hard knocks is always the sad story about the guy getting cut that had a chance and it's very tear dropping and you know all that but that's not that's not our story yeah and it might take a year you know it might take a lot longer than just an off season to flip a culture or to build a team and also whenever we inevitably we inevitably see that docuseries over the next couple years, people are going to watch

because you guys are absolute goats down there.

Tell Bubba Cunningham that we know what he did.

And he knows what he did.

That's not fair.

That's not fair.

Let's talk about San Diego State. We kicked their butt last night.
That was good. I know.
I know. You guys killed them.
It wasn't even close to a game. No, it wasn't even.
Lambo, literally, if you listen to everybody talking about it too, it was like, it shouldn't be in a tournament, but will they beat San Diego State? Everybody, yep. Yeah, they definitely will.
I mean, like, we got no respect for, I mean, look, the Duke game, the last Duke game was the poor kid jumped in the lane. We had a chance to win that game.
You know, now I know they didn't have their best player, but we had a chance to win that game. I mean, you play Duke even like that.
You can throw a little respect on them, please. Well, you know, the quad one wings.
Yeah. Don't have enough.
Yeah, we're going to talk about the boys. We're just talking about the boys.
Oh, God, here we go. All right.
Now, with that being said, it would be awesome if North Carolina went on a run. It would be.
If we get to the Sweet 16, I'll be back. Yeah, I'm sure.
And I watched you guys deliver pizza to the women's basketball team. Feels like you guys are supporting everybody down there.
I'm going Saturday night. Hopefully we can beat Oregon State and then I'm going to go Monday.
I'm telling you, you've got to bring the crew to come down here and see Carmichael. There's nothing better.
I don't know if a lot of people at UNC want us down there right now. We're going to let the streets go off a little bit.
The streets will go off a little bit. Inevitably, we will come and see that beautiful campus.
We can't thank you enough for joining us, Lombo. Thanks, guys.
Always good. Thank you much.
Have a great practice, ladies and gentlemen. General Mandra, the UNC Tar Heels, multiple-time Super Bowl champion, Michael Lombardi.
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They killed San Diego State.

Yeah.

Yep.

It was really a game for like five.

Their first half shooting, like, did they miss in the first half?

No, and they're pulling up from the logo, too.

It was like, everything was wrong.

But yeah, of course they did.

Like you said, when you think about everything going on, like, they had to.

They had no choice.

Yeah, if you're a competitor at all, you were just literally called out by every person outside of your state. It's like, how do you respond? Well, it turns out they just – they get a 27-point win.
That's what they decide to do. Now they're scorching hot in March too.
Talk about getting those nerves out first game. The nerves are out.
Now

all the pressure's on Ole Miss. Yeah, literally.

Everybody hates us, though. Is that right?

Okay, we're not supposed to be here. Okay, what a rally

for a team like UNC, who

obviously has all the big recruits.

Just need something maybe to get

them kind of aligned.

We're part of the problem. That's on us.

We might have woke them up.

We do apologize for that. We'd like to let you

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How about we're just giving it away? Can we just put it in it? No, no, no. Gotta, gotta do the whole.
Doesn't work like that. No, that being said, every time I work.
Yeah, where's the title? That's the, Doesn't exist. That's tough.
That's the question. Mm-hmm.
Potentially left in truck that was delivered. So then where's...
I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot that has happened.
Legitimately just floating out there. It is.
Yeah. So we've learned that all in a period of time here.
And I'll say this. The way that truck looks is the coolest.
So nice. The strongest, the meanest the most like comfortable looking ride but also rugged you know it has like a good build to it the front end has like uh like a pie to it that you want but it's not too much you know some of those front ends a little bit too much has a plus the ride which we i guess we are lucky that we you know only close commuted there yeah didn't do much with that thing.
Now it turns out it's fucking perfect. Yeah, you're up there.
The amenities, beautiful. We're talking everything.
And Ram trucks are a beautiful truck. Wasn't into the Ram trucks.
Didn't know about the Ram trucks until we get introduced through this particular partnership with them. And then you get inside, he's like, damn, they have a good truck.
It's a great truck.

Good truck, yeah.

I mean, if we are allowed to drive it, I am thinking about going over to Dayton

to watch the Johnnies on Saturday.

I looked on Sea Keek, and the tickets were so cheap.

It was like, okay, maybe we do go over and support Rick Pitino.

Quick drive.

Yeah, it's really only like an hour and a half.

Yes.

Might be worth just going over and catching some of those games.

I think, if I do recall, because we went to a play-in game at the daytona or dayton arena i think i think it was when vanderbilt was playing because a kid from plum was on vandy so they were in a playing game i think at dayton was that in dayton do we remember yeah it's always so it was at dayton or whatever yes so hot in that gym it was like a uh it was a hot hotter day i we were sitting in the gym. All I remember was just sweating profusely, but it was an electrifying game.
It was an electrifying environment. Everybody's kind of in there.
It had an old-school feel, like you were mentioning, and it feels like it's a great tradition. You have not experienced it yet, right? No, I have not, and as I said that, I now know that the Johnnies are playing in Providence, Rhode Island.
I was going to say, so a little bit farther of that. A little farther of a drive.
I don't think you should be driving this one. Okay, alright.
Good to know. That many state lines.
That truck's going to Weston anyway. See, Gwen Powell's a big Ram truck guy.
He's in the commercial. He's commercial a lot.
He started with Twisters. Yeah chase him.
You can chase him. Damn right.
Damn right. What's Glenn Powell doing? Everything big? Yeah, he's got a couple big-time movies coming out, a couple remakes.
And they're all going to do well. Yeah, one of them is a timeless classic that Arnold was the main character of, and he's reprising the role in that.
Terminator? No, The Running Man. It's going to be awesome.
Awesome. He's so charming.
Yeah, he is. So handsome.
So cool. So jacked.
He's the guy. Oh, yeah.
And that Chad Powers series is coming out at some point soon here, I would imagine. Congrats to all of them.
Hell, yeah. All right, let's get out of here.
Let's enjoy. Here's upcoming projects for Glenn Powell.
The Running Man, Huntington, Chad Powers, The Natural Order, Untitled J.J. Abrams Project.
What's that? J.J. Abrams is a big-time director, producer in Hollywood.
That'll be some action sci-fi type deal. Monsanto? Monsanto, isn't that? That was like some big...
The company. Yeah, yeah, there was like a big lawsuit or something.
That could be, I don't know, maybe like a courtroom drama or something. Young attorney Brett Weisner takes on a case against Monsanto on behalf of groundskeeper Dwayne Lee Johnson.
Do we? Who used the company's weed killer roundup and developed cancer. Despite Monsanto's toxicologist testifying to roundup safety this is iowa uh monsanto is it in iowa it might be i'm not sure i think i watched like a documentary on these seeds and i don't know if it was cancer seeds or if the seeds were blowing into another people's property that's the one you talked about with christopher walken and it was in like canada i think right crazy yeah i i the seed game is wild because these people had patent on the seed basically and the seed was obviously something that wasn't natural you get it blows into somebody else's farm they were looking to take that because it's their seat and it became a big all yeah yeah because they they owned everything and like the surrounding areas then since it was their seeds that were just getting scattered everywhere yeah the farming world's wild crazy well we're on this stuff with shows to the uh terminalist next series is coming out i believe uh very soon here too oh yeah yeah jack cars yeah did he write a book where's bill i think there's a new book too jack car yeah a new book coming after i believe he finished it or oh i saw a post yeah i saw a post too i the Terminalist series is based off, I believe this is the prequel one of Chris Pratt's brother in Taylor Kish, who's in the first season as well.
The explosive next thriller from Jack Carr, Try Havoc. You can order now.
Does that mean it's available now or is it pre-order? Probably pre-order, I would assume. These newer ones, they just keep getting scarier, though.

You mean he gets better

and better? Well...

He's getting more accurate? Yeah, and it's more

of what's happening right now. Realer

and realer. Yeah, he did an AI one, didn't he?

China.

Yeah. CCP.
Is that his most recent?

I believe Red Sky Morning was

the AI. Yeah, the most recent was

China was developing a counter

intelligence to counter our intelligence.

And then they started talking without humans, right? And then you talk about, if I remember, it's like, well, who tells the missiles to react to a missile? Yeah. And is there any? Yeah, there's a big part of it where our AI is kind of integrated with our missile control and our Navy.
Yeah. Spoiler.
And what's this one here? This one is about his father that was also a Navy SEAL, and the original Navy SEALs. Well, Beirut is one.
I'm talking about the... Yeah, the Cry Havoc is about his dad leading the Vietnam SEAL missions.
Yeah, the Beirut is the nonfiction true story that he was talking about, that he was writing, so that's legitimate. And all these other ones are fiction, which I think of as fake, right? Non-fiction, not fake, fiction, fake.
But all his fake fiction ones seemingly all have because of who he is, what he's done, it's hard not to be like, oh, this guy is potentially mixing a little reality. All I assume storytellers are.
It seems like they're filming a bunch of the series for Amazon back-to-back here. The one's coming out in summer about the prequel about Ben, his buddy that was in the Seals from the original Terminalist series.
Then they're doing the second season of Terminalist after the prequel. Bill is one of Jack Carr's biggest fans.
Oh, yeah. Bill sighted a BB gun for Jack Carr.
Perfectly. Right on the money.
Real scope and fake gun doesn't really. Yeah, real sighting.
Two for two. Yeah, you really did it.
It worked. You handed it over to him.
I think it's... It was.
Turns out you give that guy a state fair gun. The one that has the barrel like this.
Hedgehog. Yeah, there is a...
There's a level. There's levels to this thing.
That had to feel so good for him. Just get back in there and snipe the hell out of Arthur Fischl.

I mean... AI was a

psycho. He was going to blow up the world.

Thank God for Jack Garman.

Thank God.

A freaking nuclear bomb that he slammed to the table.

He did.

I saw that.

There's no way that's real. He wouldn't slam that down.

No way. That was just a good scene.

The scene?

What do you mean?

That was...

My bad.

What are you talking about?

That was reality, brother.

Who was Kim Jong-un?

Someone was Kim Jong-un.

No, it wasn't.

That's crazy.

That was Kim.

Oh, yeah.

Was it Kim?

That was Kim Jong-un.

Yeah, but I don't remember if that was Kim Jong-un.

I don't know.

That might have just been somebody. Oh, no.
Oh, no. Really? No.
I don't know. It was pretty realistic.
It was Kim. Thank God Jack Carr still got it, though.
Yeah. He was just there.
He sensed it. Knew it was coming.
If people knew how impressive that actually was,

I don't think it gets talked about enough in the shooting community. I don't know.

I know everybody talks about West Virginia winning the rifle

ever since we hear it. Everybody does.

Everybody can't go anywhere.

Hey, man.

If you got a good shot, you didn't come to West Virginia.

That's a Mountaineer right there.

We need you. We got you.
And the Americans need better representation in the sniper talk. Remember, we watched those trained killers at the Olympics.
Yeah, that's right. With the one eye and the side.
It's because all of ours are actually out there. Yeah, well, whenever you retire, you need to go on a gold medal hunt.
Jack Carr needs to go out there. He does.
And represent the United States of American Olympics. Yeah.
Or somebody from West Virginia, obviously. But him shooting this, I mean, moving target, the gun did not have enough power to actually be able to aim anything.
So he had to have adjusted. He had to be shooting above head and then just never did the shot.
Nothing like that. From up there, there's the gun right there.

Obviously.

Saved the world.

Which is pretty cool. But from that perch

all the way down to the ground, I mean it was like

probably like a quarter mile.

Can't really tell.

We watched him hit a soup can

at two miles.

It was unbelievable. Straight

right off the head.

What a shot.

Thank God it happened.

Thank you, Jack.

Thank God.

Buddy George was there.

All right, let's put up some shots for a giveaway.

That's Jack Carr.

There it is.

Here, run the whole thing.

Let's just watch the whole thing.

Let's just watch the whole thing.

I haven't seen this in a long time. I love it.
This is a great film. Isaac Fischl, the world's AI authority, has summoned the Earth's most influential doofuses for an emergency meeting about the terrifying powers of artificial intelligence.
Antonio Margarita. I forgot about that.
Inflation from Italy. Shut up, too.
Not too. Vladimir Brovashnikovsky.
That looks like Vlad.

Chad Speed.

Fucking asshole.

Jim.

Okay, it was.

We catch up with them mid-dinner as Artie Fish tries his damnedest to get the influencer's attention.

Jim, okay?

Yes, that'll work. Great service.
Thank you. Scram.
Excuse me. Let's get down to brass tacks, boys.
The real reason we're here. AI is a problem.
It's gonna kill us all. It's hard to take you serious with the way you're facing, I mean, you look like a fucking asshole.
What are you talking about? Oh, the only thing artificial is those fucking balls you call balls. You look absolutely absurd.
You guys don't understand. You're not listening to me, okay? I'm wearing this because AI can hear your thoughts.
It can get into your brain, guys. You ain't got no fucking brain

Murder once again struggling to take anything serious my team told me I should come to this

Absolute Jericho does this look like a joke, huh? That's a nuclear bomb

Just like in Batman puts marbles in plastic. You need a boom bomb I think.
You guys aren't listening! This right here. AIG.
A nuclear freaking bomb. Told me the only way to save this screwed up world is to blow it up.
This guy awake? Idiot. Wake up asshole.
He wouldn't hit somebody with a good game. No, don't you worry.
This one is foolproof. I doubt it.
I brought it here, boys. Not just for show.
What? Because I'm going to blow up the world right now! Holy shit! That's Jack Carr! Turns out, that was an actual nuclear bomb. Arthur Isaac Fischel was gonna blow the entire world up, and Jack Carr us all it was his actual first shot in Artie fish is actually dead forever thank the Lord that Jack car sense trouble his new book which is the sixth installment in the terminal series only the deck is currently available at all bookstores you You should buy it.
As you just watched, he saved the world. Hell yeah, Jack Carr.
Hell yeah. Love you, Jack.
It was an actual nuclear bomb, brother. I said it right on it.
I know. That's what they all do.
And an aerator confirmed it. Yep.
Was a waiter? Yeah waiter. He knew what he was doing.
He was there so he could tell the story. He was the only one.
Nobody would believe because he was the only one there. Man, I haven't watched that in a long time.
A long time. Alright, on that note, let's go to Marshall Adams.
Thank Jack R. Love you, Jack R.
Get an opportunity to say thanks to Jack R. R, you go ahead and do it.
Because as it said, like AJ noted, and I forgot that detail, that that was just right on the side. How do we get the point across here? Right there.
Just write it. Arthur Fishel was probably just misunderstood.
He was just nervous. Did he come back as a drone and try to take showdown? No, that was...
I don't know if that was... We still don't know who that is.
Jackar saved the world there then. Yeah, still not sure.
Yeah, we don't know what happened there. I thought, yeah, I thought there...
I guess not. All right, have a great March Madness.
We hope you guys win all your bets. Right? Let's go underdogs.
Not all of them. You're betting all the underdogs.
Betting all the underdogs again, yes. 0-2.
So far. Moneyline.
Moneyline. That's all you can really do.
It's more fun that way, to be honest with you. And then you really, you know, you have a dog in every fight.
It is the dog. And let me just tell you, when that dog hunts, it is the greatest feeling in the world.
Yeah, last year you were up, right? After the first four days, Thursday to Sunday, this first weekend is where it's like, hey, do strictly only underdogs. After the first weekend, do whatever you want because typically it does kind of fall off a cliff a little.
But it can get... We were up like 16 units last year.
But you're going to have bad times. Yeah, you will have bad times.
But remember, there's a chance that only one underdog wins tomorrow on thursday but that underdog might be plus 800 so you're up 200 bucks for the day if you're betting 100 bucks on every game the madness that we speak of is normally when underdogs upset somebody and when that happens you're not only celebrating the moment but you're also cashing in that has been your go here yeah last march mass most fun March Madness I've ever had in my entire life, so this is probably going to be my go-to move going forward with March Madness. And there's a chance you lose your ass this year.
Yeah, definitely. There's a chance you lose in gambling, there's a chance you lose your ass.
Always a chance. But like I said, I would very strongly suggest doing it for the first weekend, at least.
If you're going to do it and only bet the amount that you're willing to lose. Yes.
Of course. I lost so much money game on March Madness the last few years.
Not this year. Not going to lose this year.
Selective, AJ. We don't need to pick every game.
You don't need to have every game. Connor's doing every game of the underdog.
He's just doing the doing the under you have to to end up on top because if you don't you can miss one yeah if you miss one then you're just the biggest ass see i did it with con man and i took the 16 seeds off because those are pretty much a guarantee they're gonna lose and that was very very helpful pretty much until until what so well it's like whenever you bet the thing on blackjack that the three card showing will will be a straight flush or whatever. Bingo, what happened? Yeah.
You hit it? I hit it in New Orleans. And you were on it? Yeah, I was on it.
Oh, what a moment. So you tell me it was $750.
Welcome to the jungle. Somebody else could have won that.
They didn't bet it. That is what we do here.
No, other people do bet it every single time. Never get it.
You know lot of people down in that casino. That casino was blasting shits.
Without a doubt. That casino knew what was happening.
Super Bowl, a lot of people here. Let's have our fucking best shit.
They did. The cards were like, this is our weekend.
We do this. We do this.
You come to our city, it's a home game for the cards. And also the dice.
I saw the dice. They linked up with the cards as well.
They were like, hey, listen, we're going to have a good weekend here. We're going to beat them.
We're going to beat them. Dealers going, oh.
Sorry. Sorry.
Sorry. Your arm's getting tired, actually.
Take that. A lot of tricep work here.
A lot of pushing. A lot of this way.
That was life down there. For me, at least.

I mean, that's a week.

That's a gigantic week for that casino.

Think about it.

They have to win.

They did.

Yeah.

I guess that's how they viewed it, too.

Yeah.

Yep.

There's some casinos that we thought were givers.

That was one of them.

Take them off the board.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Now we know.

What's the Jack's Casino?

Cleveland?

Cleveland. That's a smile's coming out of that casino that's what you need to judge smiles coming out when you're walking in go ahead and give a little look see at everybody leaving what's their mood they just all lost okay we're donating to the city today that's what your thoughts are going in now you got your expectations people smiling, jovial group.
Okay, maybe the casino's giving today. And that's just kind of how it goes, AJ.
It's good to know. I did not look at people coming out of the New Orleans casino when we were going in, actually.
Yeah, people were looking at me though, I think, when I'm my way out there. Because we were the first ones in.
That was the problem. In the afternoon.
We were the ones that set the tone on what the day's going to be like for other people. They saw us.

Are we eating or what? Yeah.

It's a 4.30 dinner.

Yeah. Do we have any reservations

here? I thought this was going to go a lot better.

We're all walking out phones.

Classic casino stuff.

All right, if this goes in, we're all winning.

It's close. This it.
Oh, no.

Ah, it's close.

Oh, this one.

Oh, no.

It's an American game, yeah.

The thing about the international ball is it slips off the pinky.

It's a slick ball.

That's because Europeans don't have pinkies.

You got under the... Oh, this is what I was supposed to be the whole time.

Oh, no. Bang! Didn't make it to the hoop one time.
It's all right. Hey, I got one here.
I got one here. Bonus.
Yeah, yeah. Good eye.
This is for the good of all of us here. Do you want to step into it? Yeah, just go ahead and see.
Oh, yeah. Nice.
Bang. Bam.
Oh, my God. Still didn't make it.
All right, I'm not betting this weekend. Okay.
See you guys on Monday. Okay, I'll have the next week.
What I just did has nothing to do with any of you. Don't you worry about that, obviously.
Sure. Okay, have a great March Madness.
Boys in the back, great work this week. Good work, boys.
Graphic boys, good work this week. Good work, boys.
To all our guests, thank you so much for your time. We did a lot of college basketball.
Obviously, I feel like we know more than we've ever known in the past going into the tournament. A lot of football talk, a lot of narratives, a lot of rumors, a lot of stories.
And we'll continue to talk about very topical things happening in the world every single day. Something trends for 24 hours.
It's probably going to get chatted about. Got to do it.
And that's what it's like doing daily sports, daily show. And tomorrow we're off.
Friday we're off. And we're going to go watch these games just like everybody else.
Enjoy it. Be a friend.
Tell a friend something nice. Am I changing your life? We're in this thing together.
Team on me. Team on three.
One, two, three. Team.
Goodbye. Goodbye.
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