PMS 2.0 1306 - The Start of a New NFL League Year, Dan Orlovsky, Tyrese Haliburton, Shaquille O'Neal, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this happy birthday, NFL, Wednesday, March 12th, 2025.
This program starts now.

Speaker 1 Football!

Speaker 1 Celebrating a massive day. The new league year and the official free agency signing period begin at 4 o'clock today.
Congrats to the NFL. Yeah.
Another trip around the son.

Speaker 1 And you know, this marks the beginning of a new league year.

Speaker 1 Everybody at the bottom of the mountain trying to chase the Philadelphia Eagles who grind and pounded their way behind a great offensive line in Saquon Barkley all the way to the top of Lombardy Mountain.

Speaker 1 They are our current world champions. And today, every organization, you would hope, would be leaving no stone unturned on the pursuit to becoming world champs at the end of this particular season.

Speaker 1 Now, we all thought maybe, you know, the NFL would not be able to survive another year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe last year was their last season. Turns out, they're back, and

Speaker 1 seller seller caps bigger than it's ever been. Contracts are larger than they've ever been.
More ratings and eyes on the game than there's ever been.

Speaker 1 More ways to enjoy the game than there's ever been. And it's a wonderful time for the NFL.
So congrats to them and happy birthday. Happy birthday to the NFL.
That's nine-year NFL vet. Darius J.

Speaker 1 Butler has an F1 hoodie on that season starting this weekend. Sure is.
I don't know how that survived. No way.
I thought that was going to be one of the ones that didn't have another season.

Speaker 1 This is going to be the year where we're going to pay attention to this. Yep.
We're going to dive in.

Speaker 1 in we're going to pay our respects to uh racing that happens in europe doesn't mean it's the pinnacle happens everywhere well yeah i heard they were trading our shit yeah down here in miami we we got lost on the on the track trying to get into the building obviously we did in a sprinter van it was great time wasn't it you was

Speaker 1 going outside kiss the pavement do the whole thing so i taste some of the rubber f1 starts this weekend yes in uh melbourne Okay, well, good luck to all the F1 drivers. Whatever.

Speaker 1 Maybe a little bit faster, exciting racing this year.

Speaker 4 Got a different favorite, favorite, different betting favorite to win it all this year.

Speaker 1 Vanderstoppen, if he's racing, we know he's going to win this thing.

Speaker 4 That's what we would think. I mean, I would take the money plus money on him, but Orlando Norris, McLaren.

Speaker 1 Orlando Norris.

Speaker 1 Favorite. Yep.
Orlando. We know Orlando pretty good.

Speaker 1 He won a couple races that he wasn't supposed to win, remember? He did. Because I think Vanderstoppen was in the lead, and then Lando says, I want to go.
And he said, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 1 And they did a little joke, right? Is that Lando?

Speaker 4 Lando was the guy who could have won a race, but ended up letting his teammate, Oscar Piastri, win it. Okay, so that's how it was.

Speaker 1 he won in miami and that's when we learned that you guys aren't actually racing not trying to win yeah no you're not trying to win because the person that was winning the race was board

Speaker 1 yeah but i thought we're trying to nonetheless this the year f1 this year have fun boy good luck down here in australia dying under you know as they say uh the nfl though obviously cooking they're dropping as foxy put up there they're dropping a football over in times square

Speaker 1 uh you know crowds already gathered to watch football drop now i was just in new york city on monday it's alive Like weather, I think it might have been the first day where it was very good weather.

Speaker 1 You know, we've gotten like a couple different fake springs, little pump fakes. It was perfect.
The weather was awesome. It was an active city.

Speaker 1 I mean, there was people, every crosswalk, it was damn impossible to kind of turn to go a different direction because of how many people were out and about running, biking, living.

Speaker 1 You know, it was like, it was beautiful to see, actually. It was really fun to be a part of.
Sucked to drive anywhere. Oh, yeah.
You know, it

Speaker 1 wasn't necessarily a good thing for the time it took to get to said Madison Square Garden. But I assume this is going to be very active.
I assume this is going to be a good shot. And shout to the NFL.

Speaker 1 I'm sure some middle manager came up with this idea and they said that is the only way to launch the 2025 NFL season. That's big brain stuff.
That's big brain stuff.

Speaker 1 Everybody will see you do it time square, obviously. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 1 Good to see you, Ty. You've missed a lot here with the free agency tampering period.
We are very happy that you are back. How do you feel about where the Packers stand?

Speaker 1 We haven't gotten any takes at all from the Green Bay contingency on this particular free agency over the last 48 hours.

Speaker 2 Yeah, first and foremost, it's great to be back.

Speaker 2 You know, it sucked missing the last couple of days, especially with all this stuff going on, because when you're not in it, it's so hard to keep up.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, the amount of deals that are happening, like, it really is head spinning when you're not in here and being able to, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 I'm okay with what the Packers have done so far.

Speaker 2 My whole thing was

Speaker 2 I just want them to get a couple vets because I'm tired of the, hey, this is the youngest team in the NFL.

Speaker 2 Like they kind of proved last year, especially down the stretch, like they need some guys who have kind of been there and done that before to maybe shore up the locker room a little bit.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, they got a guard, you know, who anytime you're going to add offensive linemen, especially as we've seen in recent years, like with how much they ran the football last year, I kind of like that.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm... Can't say I've ever really heard of the guy before, to be honest, but he started for the first time.

Speaker 1 They did a lot of that the last couple of months. Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 More and more of that this year. And then, you know, they do get a cornerback from the Raiders who

Speaker 2 they're going to end up losing both their cornerbacks.

Speaker 2 So it's kind of one of those things where I've known in years past, like, the Packers don't, it doesn't matter how much cap space they have or how little cap space they have.

Speaker 2 They're not going to be super active like a lot of teams are. So anytime, you know, I was saying, like, hey, I want them to go get DK Metcalf.
I want them to check in on Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 2 Like, they're never going to do that. You know, the chances that's just stupid and wishful thinking.
So we'll see. There's still a couple vets out there that are available.

Speaker 2 They need to get a receiver, though. I like I, they really, really need to get like, and they missed on like a true number one, I guess, but they need some help there.

Speaker 2 But you see what everyone else in the division is doing. That's kind of why it's like, hey, let's go.
Like, let's make some moves here.

Speaker 1 A lot of action in the NFC North. Obviously, it was one of the best divisions in all the ball last year.

Speaker 1 That's only going to continue, we would assume, even though the Vikings, JJ McCarthy is their starter currently. Who knows what the future holds for them? Since you've been gone, great song.

Speaker 1 Oh, so good. Since you've been gone,

Speaker 1 I can breathe for the first time

Speaker 1 since I'm the young.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know the song? You. Hell yeah.
Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Who's by, man? Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All demos. I couldn't tell you who was by either.

Speaker 1 I don't know who. Kelly Clarkson.
Kelly. Of course.
Oh, that's Kelly. That's Kelly.
That's her first. Hey, she could sing.
She kids. Kelly Clarkson kids.
She could sing the shit out of her.

Speaker 1 Got the pipes. She has her own show.

Speaker 1 And uh whenever we're off uh my wife watches it so i see it and it's like she just does karaoke for like 15 minutes of the show and it's just her murdering everybody else's song like just singing it better than i'm like this you should just do this every this should be an hour oh yeah she does interviews great interviews obviously she does jokes yeah great jokes does good q a but the karaoke it's like hey kelly nobody on earth can do uh what you and she knows it i think she is oh weapon anyways since you've been gone uh you know this guy doesn't watch hockey anymore yeah yeah

Speaker 1 I mean, it was a pretty insane hockey talk yesterday. It all revolved around basically Connor has quit on the Boston Bruins.
Not quit on them.

Speaker 1 He's quit on Sweeney, who's the general manager of the Boston Bruins because they traded Marshawn to the Florida Panthers.

Speaker 1 Florida Panthers, obviously the biggest rival in recent memory of the Boston Bruins, especially as the reigning Stanley Cup champions. And they met for the first time.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you know this last night. Marshawn back on the Boston ice with the Florida Panthers.
Florida Panthers, reigning Stanley Cup champs. Guess who wanted to get him last night? Who?

Speaker 1 Boston Bruins. Guess who didn't watch? Who? This guy.
He could have had a great night last night. Wow.
Ended with a fight, too. You guys won at the end and a fight.

Speaker 1 I mean, it could have been a great night for you. You were choosing to not cheer for the Bruins strictly because one guy is seemingly trying to tear it all down, but you got to continue to support.

Speaker 1 Don't you feel that way?

Speaker 2 Yeah, still supporting the players. You know, Swayman, McEvoy, Poppy.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Swayman let one.

Speaker 1 Swayman let one.

Speaker 1 They went to a review. They went to a review, actually, to see if it was in because it ended up crossing.
This was like with a minute 20 left in the game. Down one.
It was a great ending.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was electrifying. And I texted you immediately.
Like, oh, no, Swayman just let a squeaker through, bro. And it did look bad.
Then he ran the audio, whistle blew.

Speaker 1 Great win by the Boston Bruins. Yeah, huge.

Speaker 2 It's awesome.

Speaker 2 Now that I'm not watching, they probably will go on and win the Stanley Cup, but I still had a fantastic night, you know, catching up on the Boston Celtics documentary, going back, you know, to the 60s and 70s in Boston.

Speaker 2 It was real fun.

Speaker 1 Definitely nothing terrible. Did you learn a lot?

Speaker 2 Definitely nothing terrible going on then. But no, no, it was good to see that the Bruins are winning.
You know, it's great that the boys are rallying around Socco, the best coach in the NHL.

Speaker 2 My assumption was that Sako was going to have the boys going once again. And of course, they still are, but no, a huge one, you know, for the Celtics.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm glad that the Bruins are playing well, but the Celtics once again are competing for that NBA championship, playing the OKC Thunder tonight, going up against the one seed, you know, at home.

Speaker 2 We're the favorites, of course, because as Rich Paul said, you know, to be the man, you got to beat the man, and that's who the Boston Celtics are.

Speaker 1 So, Rick Flair said that. I think Rich Paul, though, was quoting something along to knock off the Kings to become the Kings.
Yeah, exactly. Who the Boston Celtics are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, potatoes, you know, potato, potato.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's fine. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 There you go. We can still, we can do all that.
We can nickel and dime this conversation, but the Celtics are still the champs. Okay, and that's kind of the bottom line here.

Speaker 2 I don't know if Rich Paul said that as well, but no, I'm looking forward to that. But no, hockey season's been fun.
You know, it was a real good ride.

Speaker 2 Ever since we set the record for most wins, most points in an NHL season, it's been incredible. But now,

Speaker 2 unfortunately, for a lot of Boston Bruins fans, their sights have been kind of altered.

Speaker 1 We like Missoula a lot, don't we?

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. We love Joe.
Jason Taylor, they've already won a title, ladies and gentlemen. This team is very young.
This is kind of like the 2011 Bruins.

Speaker 2 That's what we're seeing with the Boston Celtics right now. They are incredible at the basketball.
So maybe we do, you know, let's just move over a little.

Speaker 1 Well, the Celtics are in trouble. I want to let you know.
Shot of the year

Speaker 1 is now

Speaker 1 calling Indiana home. What?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tyrese Halleburt last night said, this is Tyrese Halleball game. Getting Tyrese Halle Buckets.
Drifting sideways while fouled on an inbound where they ran a tunnel screen, basically.

Speaker 1 Down three against the Milwaukee Bucs. Gets fouled.
Four-point play to walk off a dub against the Bucks. Now, I guess it wasn't a walk-off technically because Giannis had a chance to answer.

Speaker 1 He would run down the court and airball it. But whenever Tyrese Halliburton buried the and one four-point play, the Pacers took a lead with three seconds left.
This was electrifying live.

Speaker 1 Uh, I believe we will be talking to Tyrese Halliburton in about 50 minutes or so to kind of get his headspace on the biggest shot he's hit. Uh, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 Nah, I'm sure there was some playoffs.

Speaker 1 Playoff. Yeah, there was some playoff.

Speaker 4 That was was so nasty. Last night?

Speaker 1 So, oh, dude.

Speaker 1 What a play. First of all, play design, phenomenal.

Speaker 4 But running full speed and then shooting that back to your right as you're running full speed. Like, that's an insane shit.
Over Giannis. You know, who knows what his wingspan is? Over Giannis.

Speaker 4 And then obviously Dame's on the bench. So right in front of Dame.
That's just all-time shit. Then follow it up with making a free throw after they tried to ice you.
That's big time ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they wanted to review if it was a foul or not, I think, or if he was in bounds. I think there was like, it felt like it was a 10-minute review.

Speaker 1 And they said Tyree's sitting over there knowing he's about to shoot a free throw to win the game now granted potentially goes to overtime because it is tied at the time they're not down but he knocks it down pure I mean there wasn't even a doubt on the free throw and we needed it obviously Bucs and Pacers in the playoff conversation and Tyrese Halliburton perfect face of a franchise this guy especially for the Indiana Pacers last night he was wearing the DX pumas that he had specially made he actually shouted out Mr.

Speaker 1 H numerous times in the post-game presser said that if he would have gave the suck it, it would have been a $25,000 fine by the NBA. Worth it.
So he said he wasn't going to take the fine.

Speaker 1 We will ask him. $25,000,

Speaker 1 especially after that, we can figure out $25,000

Speaker 1 somewhere, can't we? I think you should try and respect the game. Trying to respect the boys.
And also let everybody know that he is a wrestling fan, always has been, always will be.

Speaker 1 Had a double double last night, obviously not his biggest night of the year, but he had a double double in the DX shoes, and hits a game winner and has a four-point play.

Speaker 1 That's a pretty good way to launch the DX Pumas. So congratulations to Tyrese Halliburton and the rest of the East.
I'm sorry about it. Y'all can

Speaker 1 suck it. The Pacers are getting hot at the right time.
And we'll talk Tyrese at 1.05 Eastern Time. That'll be about 50 minutes from now.

Speaker 1 Text him last night. You know, superstar, you know, this guy.
Yeah. Now, we have Shaquille O'Neal joining us at 2.30 Eastern.
He was on the air immediately after this game.

Speaker 1 Listening to them talk about everything happening. Certainly fascinating.
Lefko out there doing his thing. He looks so cool.
Oh, yeah. Great shit.
Lefko looks so cool.

Speaker 1 When they came back to the studio after this game, Lefko was actually clapping for the game. He's like, that was a good game.
Like, that was good. It was.
Is basketball back?

Speaker 1 Is basketball bringing it? Feels like if they're going to have magical moments like this happen on random Tuesdays, why not? We'll talk to Tyrese. Can't wait for that.
One half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys,

Speaker 1 ball cap tone here. Tone, Pittsburgh Steelers, obviously beautiful St.

Speaker 1 Patrick's Day Irish irish yeah hat you got it right there topical feels good pittsburgh steelers fans are awaiting a quarterback decision yeah what is kind of the state of pittsburgh right now because let me tell you what happened there was a video uh that somebody retweeted of aaron rodgers talking about pittsburgh you know because big mike mccarthy's from pittsburgh he's got a lot of friends from pittsburgh this is from years ago in our particular program somebody retweeted it so it came up in my you know algo yet again and i'm like oh yeah this is this this needs being his zeitgeist right now this is something because of how much he is certainly being associated with Pittsburgh in playing for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Not just them. I think the Giants are in the conversation.

Speaker 1 And a lot of people are saying, is he going to go to the Vikings, even though the Vikings have not come out and there has not been rumors that the Vikings and Aaron are talking. We know nothing.

Speaker 1 I retweet that video, though.

Speaker 1 I guess I should have known that this was potentially going to happen. All of Pittsburgh basically was like, oh, I know.
And he's going to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Seemed like there was people very excited about it. Then there was people that are indifferent about it.

Speaker 1 And it feels like, is there going to be any decision at quarterback that the entire entire city is going to be rallied around? And what are your thoughts on Aaron potentially being your quarterback?

Speaker 1 And once again, I just retweeted that so people know, like, the guy loves the sit, like, if he was to go to Pittsburgh, loves the city, thought it should be in the world that we're in right now, especially with how much his name is being thrown to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 I did not, that's not me saying I know shit. I, I don't, I don't, I do not know anything.
I wonder if he does, you know?

Speaker 1 And, you know, you can text him and call him. Sure.
Ooh. But what if he doesn't answer? Typically,

Speaker 1 like for five days or shit. Sure, sure.
which maybe has been happening before we go live, cold FaceTime. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, give us something.

Speaker 1 No answer. Then get a text back like, hey, everything's going good or whatever.
It's like, all right. You know, we just want to get a little bit of a lean at least on what this could be.

Speaker 1 So I know nothing, but I thought that video could be good for the current conversation because he does have massive respect for the city, for Tomlin, for everything in the people over there.

Speaker 1 How do you feel? And what do you think Pittsburgh's thoughts are on what's quarterback situation is right now?

Speaker 5 So to your question, is there a quarterback out there where the fan base is going to be happy? No, that person does not exist at this moment.

Speaker 5 You put out a couple polls yesterday on Instagram and Twitter on who people thought that quarterback would be.

Speaker 5 And a lot of people think it's going to be Aaron Rodgers right now, whether it's Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. You know, apparently there's some rumors out there it could be Mason Rudolph.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 What? That's probably that's

Speaker 5 a situation we're hoping doesn't happen, but you know, love Mason.

Speaker 1 I don't think Rudolph's coming in to be a starter, but maybe he'll compete, you know? A lot of competitions agree. What about the draft?

Speaker 5 I mean, we're sitting at 20. I don't know if that person exists either.
I personally, and I said this yesterday, I think I'm in the minority of Steelers fans.

Speaker 5 Just because of Aaron's age and everything that potentially comes with Aaron, I'm not a believer in that.

Speaker 5 I do think Aaron is the best possibility and best chance to win next year for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 there's a contingent of people. Who voted Russ? Who's that? Who's that Zito's computer? Zito voted Russ.
That's what I'm realizing right there.

Speaker 1 Okay. He's pulling for Russell Wolves.
Yeah, I chaos, baby. Yeah, he's pulling for Russell Wolves because that means Rogers would be in the NFC North, maybe, or the NFC East.

Speaker 1 That's what Zito's pulling for, I guess, if that's the case. Go ahead, bud.
But everyone's waiting on. 51,000 votes is a lot of votes.
13 hours.

Speaker 5 Everyone's waiting on Aaron's answer.

Speaker 5 Who knows when that'll come? And there's things that are definitely working against Aaron in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 One being the national media, you know, the rumors out there that he's looking for a two-year, $90 million deal, which we believe to be false.

Speaker 5 You know, Shraig's, and I think Schrag just meant this like in a, in a glancing thing. Like he was like, who knows when we're going to get an answer from Aaron? It could be one week.

Speaker 5 It could be two weeks. It could be three weeks.
It could be four weeks.

Speaker 5 And obviously everyone in Pittsburgh got mad of the idea of Aaron stretching people along for four weeks, which we have no idea if that's true or not. I looked into it today.

Speaker 1 That is the Aaron Rodgers. That is the Aaron Rodgers thing, though.

Speaker 1 Schrager says, you know, we don't know when this answer is fact. Factual statement.
Factual statement. We don't know when it's going to be.
Could be one, could be three, could be, you know.

Speaker 1 And then people in Pittsburgh, isn't this guy so fucking special and it's like did aaron say that did aaron talk to straggler this is just straggler so pittsburgh media right now is basically thinking he's looking for 45 million years dollars a year and it might take a month to get an answer which you know we have no idea if that's and with everything else you've potentially heard about aaron you know that probably similar similar vein stuff it's like yeah that's this primadonna piece of like and people in pittsburgh can feel that way pretty quick oh yeah yeah wins games bingo

Speaker 1 yeah no one cares no one cares i got good news city of pittsburgh is a place where if if you win some football games, brother. I love you.
Come on in, man. I got some good news.

Speaker 5 I looked into it. We are in day 11 of this current moon cycle.
We're in the Waxing Gibbeas. We have a full moon on Friday the 14th.
So I think if Aaron's moon rocks are fully charged on Friday.

Speaker 1 See, that's a little condescending.

Speaker 5 He could get some answers. We could potentially

Speaker 1 do it. It's out a little condescending.
I think we might make a decision Saturday,

Speaker 5 Sunday after he talks to the moon gods and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Come on, don't say that.

Speaker 5 I know know there's people in Pittsburgh, some close to me, who said they won't watch a game if Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback.

Speaker 1 Sure. How close to you? Super close.

Speaker 5 Like, I came from his nutsack.

Speaker 1 You're popping up. What's that all about?

Speaker 1 Why is coaching off the business?

Speaker 5 He listens to too much local sports.

Speaker 1 Okay, sir. That's what happened there.
Yeah, that's what happened.

Speaker 1 I would like to let Coach Diggs know that if Aaron Rodgers ends up being a quarterback for the Series, which once again, we do not know, there is a beautiful pair pair of front row tickets on the 50 right behind the Pittsburgh Steelers to game one that we would like to offer you.

Speaker 1 We'll see if he's not watching.

Speaker 1 You know, Coach Diggs will go, come on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, can you imagine Coach Diggs after Rodgers throws four touchdowns for the Steelers?

Speaker 1 That's one.

Speaker 1 I also

Speaker 1 need the bike shorts.

Speaker 5 Yes, I stand on the fact that Aaron is the best thrower of the football available right now. I think that's pretty obvious.

Speaker 5 And when you go and get the weapons that you have, I know Artie and the Steelers want to run the football, but you need to also throw the ball. We saw that a ton last year.

Speaker 5 I think Aaron's the best option, and that's why I'm still hoping.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 we shall see when his answer comes. Maybe it's next year.
You never know. That's just happening.

Speaker 1 And then people getting pissed at Aaron Rodgers because Schrager's opining about something that could happen.

Speaker 1 I just got a stat from Hembo. Number one in the NFL in completion percentage targeting vertical routes in 2024 was who?

Speaker 1 Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson.
Yeah. 6%.

Speaker 1 So maybe. Less Russ Wilson.
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 Russ is the answer. Joining us now is a man who I'm sure has an opinion or two about all of this.
He is the face of quarterback coverage on ESPN.

Speaker 1 He calls games, and ladies and gentlemen, he's an absolute icon in the sports media world. Horrendous dude of dude perfect, Dan Rulofsky.
Dan,

Speaker 1 Dan. Few Will Hunt.
Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
American Made.

Speaker 2 Another sub-tweet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what are you doing who's this who's this message to right here

Speaker 1 use this message they want they wouldn't offer you a hunting show or something

Speaker 3 now some dude uh

Speaker 3 i get gotten a gift uh for a t-shirt from one of our family friends this this uh family friend that we have got me a t-shirt from this company and it aligns pretty much with some of the things or a lot of the things that i believe in so i went and got some more stuff i think they're from philly the company so everybody wants to be a lion until it comes time to do what lions do.

Speaker 3 I got that, dude, restoring the dignity of hard work.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yeah. I like that a lot.

Speaker 1 Hard work is

Speaker 1 a work ethic, I think, is the most important thing,

Speaker 1 you know, which is why I feel the way I'm a differentiator about what's going on maybe in this city, you know, at the

Speaker 1 in the football team. But hey, I got optimism.
I got optimism. Let's stick with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers, I think I saw you on TV say Aaron would be perfect for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 Then you immediately said, I am keeping him the hell away from the Minnesota Vikings because he brings too much. What does that mean?

Speaker 1 And when you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers situation, why is Aaron Rodgers the guy that you think should be the quarterback?

Speaker 3 Well, ever since they traded for DK Metcalf, it became very clear that their offense just presents a problem.

Speaker 3 Immediately when they get out of snap as a defense, you're going, all right, what are we doing? Are we going to try to play coverage?

Speaker 3 Because then that'll help the, I mean, the Steelers have the the worst run game in the NFL over the last six years.

Speaker 3 Statistically, it's the worst yards per carry run offense in the NFL over the last six years.

Speaker 3 So, one of the ways that you help it outside of playing better offensive line-wise is just have less people down near the football.

Speaker 3 Automatically, that is going to be a question defenses have to ask themselves with DK and George. Now, I've said from the jump, this has to have George as part of the equation.

Speaker 3 And I don't know if it has become like publicly official that, yes, he is staying because there has been some understand

Speaker 3 or

Speaker 3 understandably question marks attached to like, does this mean the end for George Pickens? So he's got to be a part of that.

Speaker 3 But I just look at it and go, all right, as a defense, you got to ask yourself, you're going to play coverage? Are you going to try to stop a run game that hopefully gets a little bit better?

Speaker 3 And I think that that presents really well for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 I don't think it's the perfect for me. It would have been Sam Darnold, but he's clearly, clearly, clearly the best option.
And I think it's clearly the, clearly, the best option for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 That's why I get a little bit unknown about what's taking so long to make the decision.

Speaker 3 The reason why I would not do it in Minnesota would be a massive mistake, was you've already made the decision, Minnesota. JJ's the guy.
Once you let Sam walk, you've made it clear that JJ's the guy.

Speaker 3 Aaron's not going there to be a backup. Aaron's going there to try to go win the division and go to the Super Bowl.
So this isn't open competition. This isn't, hopefully, you can play till J.J.

Speaker 3 McCarthy's fully ready or healthy. This is, we're trying to win the Super Bowl with one of the greatest ever.
So, and I would not do that to that young player.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you wouldn't want another year of J.J. McCarthy in the building healthy watching a veteran quarterback for one year.
I mean, depending upon how long Aaron's playing.

Speaker 1 We know nothing from Aaron's side. We know nothing from Aaron's side.
You don't think that that would be an okay move for J.J. McCarthy as a whole long term with his career is what you're saying?

Speaker 3 You think that you've got to be very careful with saying one year with a veteran quarterback. Aaron's not a veteran quarterback.
Aaron's one of the greatest ever. Aaron comes,

Speaker 3 whether people like disagree or agree, or there is a lot that comes with Aaron just because of what he's accomplished and the personality that he has. People love him, people hate him.

Speaker 3 And so you, are you really sure, Minnesota, it's not just bringing a veteran quarterback in to maybe be the guy for one more year. You're bringing in Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 That's different. And so when I think you allow Sam Darnold to walk out of the building, you're making the decision as an organization.
All right,

Speaker 3 the young kid is the play. This was the plan when we drafted him.
It was trending that way in preseason. This is the play now.

Speaker 3 We are deciding that JJ McCarthy is going to be the guy, and we want to now have someone there to support him rather than threaten him. You want somebody in Minnesota that is going to challenge J.J.

Speaker 3 as a professional, not

Speaker 3 kind of threaten his job and leadership role within the team.

Speaker 1 Got it. Who do you think that would be? Just like somebody two, three years in that's a backup quarterback type conversation?

Speaker 1 Like Kenny Pickett, for instance, going up there to Cleveland, like a Kenny Pickett type quarterback? Is that what you're saying? Somebody that isn't, you know, as well,

Speaker 1 I don't know, known or respected by his peers? No offense, Kenny. Jesus Christ, you're a Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 1 I know what you're saying.

Speaker 1 I hope Kenny understands what I'm saying. Somebody that isn't like a doesn't walk walk into a room.

Speaker 3 Kenny Pickett's the opening day starter for the Browns.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, good luck to Kenny Pickett, too.

Speaker 1 He came in there and started spinning

Speaker 1 against the Philadelphia Eagles. Miles Garrett came back to win.
Kenny Pickett's already won a Super Bowl. Last guy to touch the ball in the Super Bowl.
Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 I think the ideal guy would have been Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 That would have been the

Speaker 3 ideal guy.

Speaker 1 Hold on. On that note.

Speaker 1 On that note, Debut has a question for you. And remember what your little notebook says.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 Wow, that caught me off guard uh but the coats competition obviously we brought daniel jones down here to compete with anthony richardson you mentioned right after it happened right after the news broke this ar uh asked for a trade so that aside salaries aside what do you think about this competition and who's going to be the day one starter in your opinion in indianapolis

Speaker 4 um

Speaker 3 The day one starter, I'm not ready to sit there and say like definitively, D.

Speaker 1 Say it. Come on, Dan.
You have to. It's on your head, I guess.
I don't have to.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I just, I just, the way I look at it, and this is why I said, is Richardson going to

Speaker 3 ask for a trade? I'm not sitting here saying that teams are going to be knocking down the door to go get him type of thing. He has had moments that have been very encouraged.

Speaker 3 But it's hard to, and you guys know this, it's hard to just get rid of some of the,

Speaker 3 I guess, judgments that have been made against him, especially in your own building.

Speaker 3 And if all the conversation and the noise about how things were going down last year are true, I just think that's really hard. You gave a guy $14 million, upwards of $17 million to come and compete.

Speaker 3 That's a very clear message to Anthony. Now, I've talked to people that have kind of disagreed with the Anthony wasn't working hard narrative.

Speaker 1 Not

Speaker 3 anything that is in the building. Really?

Speaker 3 I've had people say, nope, works hard, you know, prepares the right way. He's working hard.
Now, maybe it's not to the extreme that you want your starting quarterback, but people

Speaker 3 in the building I've heard that. So whether it's true or not, I just think it's hard that

Speaker 3 once people within the building, I would imagine some people, because it has to come from somewhere, believe a certain thing about a player. It's just hard to shake that.

Speaker 3 And so I think it's, Daniel Jones has got a great opportunity, but I think it's very clear, Anthony Richardson, the organization is telling you, like, it's time to put up or shut up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I'm optimistic, you know, because D-Buck gave me a motivational speech earlier today.
Debuck gave me a motivational speech.

Speaker 1 And I've read a lot of the blogs, you know, about from the Colts fans.

Speaker 1 They're all pissed off at me for just, you know, having a front row seat to football for a long time, being very lucky to have that seat and just seeing a lot of people that don't end up being what they could be because of you know the way they go about doing their business you know a lot of it revolves around like a work ethic a lot of it revolves around like having a passion for job and things like that so whenever you say you talk to people in the building they've said that's interesting uh um let me ask you this question that's very very fascinating about what you just said a lot to learn it's a big obviously it's brand new you're the quarterback and he hasn't played a lot of football either so coming into coming into the league coming into the draft i think most people around football knew okay this is a boomer-bus guy.

Speaker 4 He's either going to be this or he's going to be that. And it's a lot to figure out.

Speaker 4 Have I seen it? You know, people change it year three, year four, and really learn how to start being a pro? Yeah. Are those few and far between? Absolutely.

Speaker 4 So as a Colts fan, yeah, I'm very optimistic in March 12th. going into his third year that he starts to figure it out.
Dan Jones, a lot of people are excited about Dan Jones.

Speaker 4 More excited, I guess, than I am, but Dan Jones can turn the corner and figure it out too.

Speaker 4 But yeah, as a Colts fan, fan, the guy that I would want to be the day one starter and to figure it out and to do all the right things behind the scenes and show up on Sundays more importantly is Anthony Richardson going forward.

Speaker 1 I agree. And you know what? I'm the same way.
I read a lot of messages from Colts fans to me last night. They're being very mean.
You got to do what you got to do. I appreciate your passion.

Speaker 1 I hope he has the same passion for the Colts because that would be cool. And I think this year it could happen.
You know, I think he could hear all this noise, see what happened.

Speaker 1 He got benched last year, you know, and the things, the reasons why he got benched were very real and I think very much brought to his attention and told to him and it's like maybe he takes it all this offseason and rolls with it has not played much football has not played much football so i will say i have changed my tune i am optimistic about anthony all right i'm optimistic hell yeah i think it's very difficult to do that stuff but i i think why not why not ar why not well he's he has no choice i mean he he has so much talent so much talent it is yeah that's why it's so like i'm a supporter i'm a believer i've been anthony richardson fan since college just calling his game Yeah, you're making up sources in the building now to say things that aren't real.

Speaker 1 I'm not. Yeah.
So.

Speaker 3 That one will probably get me in trouble.

Speaker 3 And I know this, like Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 Listen, everything you hear about Daniel Jones, great teammate, hardest worker, puts it all, you know, does everything the right way.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Fast. Okay.
Tom. Yeah, I mean, he's

Speaker 3 anti-whatever that was getting said about, you know, that whole, I guess, situation last year. So

Speaker 1 I think. I I don't know.

Speaker 3 If Anthony Richardson can't beat out Daniel Jones,

Speaker 3 let's be honest. If Anthony Richardson

Speaker 3 and a very clear message from his organization, it is time to go, can't beat out Daniel Jones,

Speaker 3 then it's a miss on the draft base.

Speaker 1 Agreed. I've graded.
I've greed. Hey, good luck out there, boys.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you to both of you.
Good luck to both of you in your competitions.

Speaker 1 Now, there's been some quarterback moves during this free agency tendering period here or whatever the fuck this has been because actually free agency starts today at 4 o'clock.

Speaker 1 Connor has a question for you, Dano.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Danny, always a pleasure. Gino to Vegas and Sam Darnold.

Speaker 3 I wish I could share this message.

Speaker 2 Excuse me?

Speaker 3 Nothing. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 I missed what you said. No, please, please enlighten me.

Speaker 3 No, no, go ahead.

Speaker 1 Vegas and Darnall. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 All right. Kind of a wuss move there.
But yeah, then Darnold to Seattle. Obviously, Seattle, no DK, no Lockett.
They're kind of going to look completely different as what they have in the past.

Speaker 2 And, you know, Gino down, reuniting with Pete Carroll, kind of a cool story as well. How do you feel about those two moves?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, the best, but also the worst.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 3 I'm super happy for Sam Darnold. Ecstatic for Sam Darnold.
You're going to a very different situation. And that's my thing for Seattle is don't.

Speaker 3 take Sam Darnold and pay him this money and think you're not going to have to add some pretty significant pieces in the next six weeks or so, and you're going to get the same results.

Speaker 3 Sam went from arguably the best situation quarterback-wise in the NFL outside of maybe Philly to one that is dire right now in Seattle. I love JSN.

Speaker 3 Jackson Smith and Jigbas really starting to come on at the back end of last year. He's going to be a very, very good wide receiver.

Speaker 3 He had two really good wide receivers last year in Minnesota, three pretty darn ones, if pretty good ones if you include Naylor. Hawkinson's a star.
They don't have that star tight end in Seattle.

Speaker 3 And the offensive line was top five, top seven in the NFL, specifically when it came to their pass protection. That is not Seattle's offensive line.

Speaker 3 So while I'm ecstatic for Sam Darnold that he got his money, the situation is going to be very different unless some things get added to their offense.

Speaker 3 And my challenge to Seattle is you better add at least another starting wide receiver at a minimum. You better kind of include a tight end that's a little bit more of a difference maker.

Speaker 3 And offensive line's got to get a lot better. Now, Clint Kubiak, their offensive coordinator, runs the same system.
That should help the offensive line a little bit.

Speaker 3 But, you know, if you go back to the last two games of last year, the main thing was, well, Sam Darnold stinks.

Speaker 3 And then the main thing that I kind of was on board was like that offensive line got whooped. And that's kind of when he became a lesser player than he was last year.

Speaker 3 So I want to see what Seattle does. I'm not ready to sit there and say we're going to get repeat performance by Sam unless things change.
I like Genome in Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 Brock Bauer is really good. I think Las Vegas has okay receivers.
Like I'm a big Jacoby Myers guy,

Speaker 3 but they're going to have to add some pieces as well. Offensive line is a little bit better than I think the play at quarterback made you think.

Speaker 3 Geno was fantastic last year with a bad offensive line, but they need to add some pieces. I love the fact that he's with Chip Kelly.

Speaker 3 They need another starting offensive line of the two, but I think Geno gives this team the chance to just compete in games on a week-to-week basis for now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like Geno's competitive spirit, you know, especially with the journey he's been on.

Speaker 1 Maybe Danny Dimes has a similar one, but you know, with Geno, the way he's kind of got to this point, I respect.

Speaker 1 And the fact he turned down that deal with Seattle to go to Las Vegas to rejoin Pete Carroll and his mission in Chip Kelly over there as offense coordinator and Tom Brady seemingly on a day-to-day basis

Speaker 1 a phone call away because I think he's all in

Speaker 1 great scene for Geno Smith. Yep.
Back to the scene.

Speaker 3 The thing I'd say about that real quick, though, Pat also is

Speaker 3 just because he's there doesn't mean they shouldn't draft a quarterback if they like one in the first round.

Speaker 3 They absolutely should.

Speaker 1 We think that with most of these teams too, like Giants, like even if they get a vet, they should probably, if they like a guy, they should draft a guy and do that the whole, at least give him a year to learn under, which, you know, Minnesota could do with J.J.

Speaker 1 McCarthy yet again because he wasn't maybe in the building as much last year because he was hurt. But hey, don't want to

Speaker 1 stall any growth, especially with what we're hearing about JJ. What we're hearing about JJ is like, guy.
Star the clock. This is a guy is what everybody has been telling us.
I can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 1 The draft is going to be fascinating. On that note, Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I do. Dan, besides Shador and Cam Ward, is the number three quarterback whoever you think that is? Do you think they are worthy to be drafted in the first round?

Speaker 3 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3 So I still think Cam Ward's going to go number one.

Speaker 3 If I was Tennessee, that would be an easy choice for me right now. I think number two probably ends up being Shador Sanders somewhere.

Speaker 3 I don't know exactly where, but I'd be surprised if he got outside that top 10 world. I think that third quarterback is more than likely going to be Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 I don't think Jackson Dart gets out of the first round. I watched Jackson Dart's tape and I go, what am I missing? I actually DM'd Lane Tiffany.

Speaker 3 He hasn't gotten back to me, but I said, what am I missing about Jackson Dart? Because I think runner and athlete-wise, he reminds me a little bit of Jalen Hurts. He made some throws on tape.

Speaker 3 You're like, I mean, this is big time football. Now, the pushback that, or I guess the

Speaker 3 hesitation that you have is there's two games late against, I think, one against Kentucky and one against Florida, where he makes two or three decisions.

Speaker 3 Like, dude, what are you doing with the football in that moment? So I don't love that, but those are conversations you have to have throughout the process with these guys.

Speaker 3 But I'm a fan of Jackson Dart. I don't think he gets out of the first round.
I texted Phil Yates. I don't think he gets to the Pittsburgh Steelers at number 20 or 21.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 I just don't. When you watch the Georgia game, he's unbelievable in the Georgia game.
And so, so, and he throws the ball downfield as well as any quarterback in this draft.

Speaker 3 He's super confident with what he's looking at.

Speaker 3 And a lot of people continue, and I haven't watched him yet, and I'm going to, but a lot of people are talking about the Tyler Shuck player out of Louisville.

Speaker 3 I can't make a comment on him because I haven't watched him, but I think those three guys are first-rounders.

Speaker 3 I don't think Jackson Dart gets out of round one now.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about Jackson, too, because he was out with the boys on Halloween. Remember, out with the boys on Halloween.
Everybody was mad at him. And they went for like 400 yards three days later.

Speaker 1 And I think the boys love him. Like, I think Jackson Dart is beloved by his team.
Obviously, he's in a lane kiffin offense, so there is a lot of explosion and everything like that.

Speaker 1 He's been able to handle all of it. Ole Miss, not in the conversation during the playoffs, so everybody kind of forgot about Jackson, I think, you know.

Speaker 1 All these guys on prime time TV, you get a little bit more convo. Cam and Shador, also not in there, but they are literally vlogging the entire process.
So Jackson Dart kind of disappeared.

Speaker 1 from the conversation. And then once people start pointing out, like, hey, Jackson's beloved by people, then you start showing the highlights.
It's like, why not?

Speaker 1 Why not, Jackson, though?

Speaker 5 I think that's going to be Dan's point, too, which hurts him just in the public eye.

Speaker 5 That Florida game, I think it was three interceptions in the fourth quarter when, you know, if they win that game, they're in the playoff in that Kentucky game.

Speaker 5 They were both national games where it just didn't look good in the fourth quarter. So I think that, you know, that kind of put a source.

Speaker 1 It was like,

Speaker 3 Tone, it was like the final drive as well.

Speaker 3 And the weird thing is, in both of those games, he plays really well. And then he gets to the final drive and he makes two or three just outrageously boneheaded decisions.
And

Speaker 3 everyone will go, well, that's a bad sign or a red flag or is he panicking with the football? But then there's so much other evidence of him not doing that.

Speaker 3 And that's why I think, like, I've said this. I remember talking about Will Levis in this way when you would go,

Speaker 3 I want to have the conversation and sit there and ask him, what the heck were you thinking in this stuff?

Speaker 3 Because maybe he thought something different or saw something different that you just get the explanation of understanding why they're thinking.

Speaker 3 But I think as a runner, he's a lot like Jalen Hurts, man. And as a thrower, he pushes the ball downfield so, so well.

Speaker 3 I'm a big fan of his. I honestly think he's close to quarterback two for some people.

Speaker 1 In the entire draft, you're saying, over instead of the Cam Shador conversation that's currently taking place?

Speaker 3 I absolutely think he is going to be quarterback two for some people.

Speaker 1 All you need is one team to think anything. You know, one team thinks he's quarterback one, and you could go.

Speaker 1 What about the off like the offensive style?

Speaker 4 You know, coming from that Lane Kiffin old miss system and then going into the NFL because like Cam Shador,

Speaker 4 McQuinn, like for like more pro-style offense, what do you would you have any concerns about that?

Speaker 3 You watch Shador's offense, Steve.

Speaker 3 Yeah, heavenly father. Oh my gosh, man.
Shador's offense, tough to watch, man.

Speaker 3 I don't mind the Lane Kiffin offense. I think, one,

Speaker 3 I think, one,

Speaker 3 you take a ton of reps of seeing space and seeing how the field and coverage plays out. I think, number two, you're challenged to make really low,

Speaker 3 low percentage throws. So

Speaker 3 this isn't a dink and dunk offense. He's not kicking the ball to the perimeter on an outrageous basis, getting

Speaker 3 easy completions. Like you're taking shots down the field.
Three, they ran real concepts. You know, I have so many examples of full progression reads or full field reads.

Speaker 3 A lot of RPOs, which, again, are part of the NFL. So I don't know how greased he is with protections.

Speaker 3 There's examples of I write down, you have no clue what protection is, but that's kind of the case for most of these kids right now.

Speaker 3 And so you got to, again, sit down and have the conversations with these players throughout this process of, tell me what you know about protections. I'll go back to last year with Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 3 If you watched Washington, Washington really ran one protection all season, slide protection. And Jaden just knew what the problem was.
That's what allowed him to play so fast and kill the Blitz. So

Speaker 3 I don't knock the lane Kiffen offense for him. Shador's offense for me is way harder to understand.
I would tell you,

Speaker 3 I don't want to make this number up.

Speaker 3 I would tell you at least 50% of Shador's completions or throws are at the line of scrimmage, just screen or RPO or right now. And so, and then 25% of his passes are terrible pass protection.

Speaker 3 And you're going, well, there's nothing anybody can do. And so there's a small group of plays that you really can try to, for me, gather a fair evaluation of Shador.

Speaker 3 There's a lot that Shador does really well. I just think it's tough because

Speaker 3 you're either asking him not to do anything or there's no chance for him to do anything. And I think that's why for some people, they might get hung up on Shador as a tough kind of evaluation.

Speaker 1 Well, he's definitely tough. I think that is something he proved with that offensive line that you chatted about.
Let's talk about Cam Ward now. Cam and Shador are obviously trending together.

Speaker 1 A bunch of highlights there. Shador spinning it all over the place.
Him and Cam Ward. Really good.
Really good player. You like Cam Ward a lot, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think Cam Ward's the number one pick, and it's clear to be the number one pick.

Speaker 3 I've said this. I think the thing that surprised me more about Cam Ward than I anticipated was how well he throws the ball from the pocket.

Speaker 3 I mean, there are so many examples where that ball, he hits his back foot on the ground and that thing jumps out of his hand. Jumps out of his hand.
And it's an absolute rip.

Speaker 3 And the ball downfield, I mean, he throws the seam ball as good as anybody. Gosh, I'm trying to think.

Speaker 3 You know, Jaden threw the crosser really well, but throwing the ball in between the hash, he absolutely steps on the football and rips it. And so it's clear to me that he's the number one pick.

Speaker 3 He reminds me a little bit, you know, ironically, Steve McNair coming out of school and just this style. He's not an electric athlete.
He's not a dynamic athlete, but he's athletic enough.

Speaker 3 Do I wish he was an inch or two taller? But Cam Ward, clear number one pick.

Speaker 3 If I was Tennessee, I would not trade out of the pick.

Speaker 1 Tennessee Titans need a quarterback. Cam Ward is the quarterback they should take, says Dan Orlofsky.
And Dan ain't stinky with that one.

Speaker 1 Dan ain't stinky. Dan, you ain't stinky, Dan.

Speaker 3 Only a few walkers. I'm trying to see my Cam Ward notes.

Speaker 3 My Cam Ward pros.

Speaker 3 My plus is about Cam Ward. Doesn't get fooled post-snap.
Ball jumps off of his hands. It looks like he's thrown off the trampoline.
He does not hesitate. We got a quick trigger.

Speaker 3 He does not force the football, which for, again, a little bit surprising for a guy that I I guess is ultra aggressive. That's a sick throw.

Speaker 1 Ultra aggressive and kind of a playmaker.

Speaker 3 I think he's really strong in the pocket with his feet and his eyes tied together.

Speaker 3 There's plays where he has examples of controlling the line of scrimmage, changing some protection, changing some plays,

Speaker 3 scenes, middle of field RPOs. There's multiple times where he takes over in the fourth quarter, takes over, and you're like, yeah, best player.
This throws nuts.

Speaker 3 Just pin it on his chest.

Speaker 3 Super accurate with the ball.

Speaker 3 I think he makes makes you hold your breath at times, you know, because you're like, oh, gosh, what are you doing? I don't have a lot of conversations.

Speaker 1 Did you write, oh, gosh, what are you doing in your notes?

Speaker 3 No, I just. Oh, that was Adler there.

Speaker 1 Okay, I went off the prompter. Got it.
I like that.

Speaker 3 And honestly, I would tell you for both these guys as well, both Cam and Shadur, they got to get some receivers that could catch the ball a little bit more. And so there's moments where

Speaker 3 your Cam's tape, I'd go, why are you forcing the ball to Restrepo? And then you watch, you're like, I know why you're forcing the ball to Restrepo. And the same with Shadur.

Speaker 3 Why are you just only looking at Travis? Yep, I know why you're only looking at Travis. So

Speaker 3 doesn't have a blitz plan, you know, but again, that's the case for so many of these kids coming out of college. So, and he's an average athlete, but I'm a big fan of him.

Speaker 1 He's played a lot of football.

Speaker 1 A lot of football. Obviously, a different levels, incarnate ward over there to Washington State, all the way through Miami in that ACC run they had.

Speaker 1 And it feels like if you watched him last year with Miami, football gods love him. Yeah.
Football gods. absolutely love them.

Speaker 1 I mean, the uh, yeah, this is where it all started. I think this was uh it was when the magical run kind of all started with the Virginia Tech because Virginia Tech had 20 returning starters.

Speaker 1 This is going to be the tough one, and then there's a Hail Mary, full of grace that hit connects, and then a couple weeks later there's a fumble that had like there's just so many things that went their way this year, except for the Syracuse game, obviously, at the end.

Speaker 1 But it feels like the football gods like Cam Ward as well. You do.
Okay, congrats to the Titans. They got a guy.
Oh, yeah. Congrats, Titans.
Sounds like the Titans got a guy.

Speaker 1 On that note, Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Dan, when you look around the NFL, which quarterback do you think is primed to kind of take that next jump up this next year? And do you see either one of the guys getting drafted?

Speaker 2 Could they have a season like Jaden Daniels did this past year, potentially?

Speaker 3 There's two guys in the league right now that... I think should, I think will, and have no reason not to, no excuse not to.

Speaker 3 So in the draft, I'll touch that real quickly i think tennessee needs another receiver outside of calvin so that their offensive line should play better i want to see them add another receiver the giants are intriguing because of dable we'll see if they do it the same with cleveland um you know the jets raiders so i i want to the only one i feel really confident about right now is cam as far as where he's going to get selected i think the two guys that

Speaker 3 like one more so than the other don't have any more excuses so one trevor lawrence down in jacksonville i like what jacksonville has done.

Speaker 3 Go back to the addition of, you know, Liam Cohen and bringing him and what he has done immediately for Baker Mayfield or did for Baker Mayfield. This is, you know,

Speaker 3 Brian Thomas Jr. is absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 3 We've talked about it. America probably didn't get the opportunity to see him a ton.
He's a superstar in the making at the wide receiver position. Gabe Davis is there.

Speaker 3 So I like a lot of what Jacksonville has done. It's time for Trevor to take a big leap.
It really is. Like you're too talented of a player.

Speaker 3 I know it maybe hasn't been the most ideal situation for you at the start of your NFL career. And there was a moment with Doug Peterson where it was trending that way and it didn't.

Speaker 3 It's time to take the jump. There's all the pieces in place for you to become what you were expected to become at that number one pick.
The second one would be Caleb.

Speaker 3 You know, Chicago's had a fantastic offseason.

Speaker 3 Gets the hottest offensive line in football over the last maybe 10 years since Sean McVade got the job. Offensive line additions, interior, one, all those guys know this system.
Tooney knows it.

Speaker 3 Drew Dahlman knows it. Jonah Jackson knows it.
So the plug-and-play ability and

Speaker 3 the understanding of you're going to get protected.

Speaker 3 I think the biggest challenge for Caleb is trusting that the plate ball and the offensive line are actually going to do what you're telling me as a player it's going to do.

Speaker 3 Because I do think there are moments where he didn't have that last year. I know what you're telling me on paper.
You're going to protect me in this and that. I don't trust you.

Speaker 3 I don't trust the guys in front of me.

Speaker 3 And I think that's going to be the biggest thing is Caleb getting to that point where he actually, when coach calls the play to get the ball to your hands, just get the ball to your hands.

Speaker 3 We're not asking for you to hit a home run here. We just want a completion.
Or when the defense tells you you're not getting the home run, get the ball to your hands. Quick, okay?

Speaker 3 And then when we take our shot, we take our shot. And if it's there, let's take it.
And so finding the balance for him there, I think is the big challenge.

Speaker 3 But, you know, with DJ still there and the tight end group that they have, the back rate that they have, the scheme, the offensive line, I expect Caleb to take a big jump.

Speaker 3 I was one that was hesitant when the marriage of Ben Johnson and Caleb came together. There is a part of me that still is because I want to see Caleb do it in time.

Speaker 3 And everyone talks about, well, look what he did with Jared Goff. For all you people out there that say that, Jared's really freaking talented now.
I mean, Jared.

Speaker 1 He used to be Goff, but now he's the guy.

Speaker 1 Now they're chanting Jared Goff. Jared Goff.
That's all they chant in Detroit. That is their chant up there.
And to your point, what I think you're about to say is Jared Goff plays in timing.

Speaker 1 Like that is what he does. Like that, he is a.

Speaker 3 He grew up, he was trained by Sean McVay. That's the basis of the offense.
He was trained in it. And so when you're trained in it early on, it becomes muscle memory.
It becomes second nature.

Speaker 3 It's a habit. Caleb doesn't have that.
So it might take some time. I've said this.
Is he capable of it? Absolutely. But you got to go have that be a staple of your game.

Speaker 3 And I think for him as well, as much as you want him to take the jump, I really attach Romo Dumze taking a jump as well, because to get this offense pass game-wise to where you want it, those two receivers will be a big part.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 1 a lot of great points there. You didn't bring up Bryce Young.
Fascinating.

Speaker 1 Bryce Young in the same boat.

Speaker 3 I want to see the Matta wideout still.

Speaker 1 Okay. Bryce Young in the same boat.
Caleb, though, I think, didn't really trust offensive line for a while.

Speaker 1 Whitworth brought up whenever Tooney gets sent to Chicago Bears, Tooney can look at Caleb in the middle of the game and be like, hey, we got you here.

Speaker 1 Like, we, we, like, that's the type of like thing that an OG offensive lineman can do that can hopefully build up a little bit of trust in that.

Speaker 1 Because if you don't have faith in your offensive line, and I know this as a punter, if you don't have faith in the person blocking for you, you're not thinking about executing.

Speaker 1 You're thinking about whether or not you're going to die. Like, that is literally all you're thinking about.
So, like, survival is the thought as opposed to making a play. That can affect people.

Speaker 1 That can certainly affect people. And that's all the defense is trying to do.

Speaker 1 They're trying to get him to get his head down and make him him get his eyes down just trying to make him think about it to get to everything else calendar's not there take off number one's not instead of going all right just number two number three all right cool ball comes out of my hand and you're totally right if you don't have that as a quarterback you you don't i think you i'm not worried about the execution i'm just worried about something bad not happening yeah and that's why you see the running and the spring every preseason and i obviously don't have every snap like quarterbacks do every preseason when we go at the punt and we got two mcdonald's workers and an insurance guy blocking for me and it's a lot easier to run and block a punt than it is to block for a punt, especially if you haven't done that.

Speaker 1 The only thing that's going through my head is

Speaker 1 we are catching and getting this. I mean, it is just, whoa, bang.
We are out of here. I never even thought about that.
So it's a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 1 I got front-flipped on hard knocks. Cincinnati Bengals.
Guy comes around the edge on the insurance salesman, I think. And boom, flip.
See, I do a full front-flip land.

Speaker 1 I take a front-flip bump on my back on slow motion and hard knocks. Fucking the guy made the team because he blocked the punt.
I'm like, good for you, buddy.

Speaker 1 Good for you. What a nightmare.
Cincinnati Bengals is always the fourth preseason game. That was the worst.
I didn't sleep the night before. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 That's one of the first things we look at, too, as defense is like, is the quarterback watching a rush? Now, Caleb's not a guy that's a statue quarterback, but are you

Speaker 4 watching the rush? Do you trust the protection and talking to AQ and other centers that's been around?

Speaker 4 They say it's a very small group of quarterbacks that actually control things at the line of scrimmage. When you control it, I guess you can trust it more when you really understand it.

Speaker 4 Go ahead, Daniel.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and if you guys going back to the college kids, and I think this is why these guys, you got to spend time talking with them.

Speaker 3 If you had to ask me what would be the number one complaint I have about Shadur is I think sometimes he predetermines looking at the rush to get away.

Speaker 3 And easy to say, hard to do, because the offensive line is so poor in protection. But there's plays when you sit there and go, you're just looking at the rush.

Speaker 3 You're not even trying to get the ball out of your hands and just hoping to create or go make something happen or create some space because there are moments when you watch him in the pocket.

Speaker 3 You're like, man, man, that's such good pocket operational space movement. And you're finding that little small pocket where you get to throw the football to or from, and it's awesome.

Speaker 3 And then there's clips where you're going, you're just catching the snap, looking at the rush immediately and going, okay, where's the opening? And I think that's a real thing.

Speaker 3 And I think that's something that as a team, you got to sit down and watch film with him. Like if I was watching film with Shador, I could be like, why did you do it there?

Speaker 3 Tell me what went through your mind because I watch you get the snap.

Speaker 3 You might look one way and then immediately you almost get into that shortstop athletic position of, okay, where am I moving to instead of trying to find an over or an in or a check down. And so

Speaker 3 to Debut's point, you know, I think that's something as a defense, you're watching tape and going, this happens

Speaker 3 far more than I actually like it to happen. And I think that's got to be a conversation that gets had.
when you're evaluating him.

Speaker 1 Shador giving an answer. Well, what you didn't see here is the previous six plays.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I actually got sawed in half.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 He did an interview where he talked about

Speaker 5 his weakness was he tried playing Hero Ball way too much. And I don't know if he was right

Speaker 5 what Dan was talking about there, but I think he knew he knows his weakness is what he had to do in college.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to watch Shador as a pro because it feels like his entire life they've been making him a professional football player.

Speaker 1 You know, like that is, I feel like I've watched it, first of all, on socials and everything like that.

Speaker 1 And I think he's going to, whenever he gets to his home, wherever it is, I think he's going to do just fine. Same with Cam Ward.
Work ethic. you know, you got a work ethic, you can figure it all out.

Speaker 1 If you don't,

Speaker 1 you know, you're just going to continue to be crap. So let's just work.
Let's restore the dignity of hard work. I respect the hell out of that.
Thank you, Dan.

Speaker 3 Oh, all right, boys.

Speaker 1 What are you doing today?

Speaker 1 Shooting hoop.

Speaker 3 I got to go drop off lunch. My wife runs the book fair at school.

Speaker 3 So she sets the book fair up. She loves it, too.
Like, it's like a way of life for her. So

Speaker 3 she decorates the, she has a theme and she decorates the whole library. It's nuts how nice girl is at this stuff.

Speaker 1 That is very cool of her. As long as you're not doing this ever again, we'll be okay.
Yeah, you embarrassed all of us, buddy.

Speaker 1 Why? I made all of them, yeah. Four hours later, bro,

Speaker 5 bro.

Speaker 3 That that that high shot is so high.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I watched. Okay, yeah, and this is the first of

Speaker 1 many, ladies and gentlemen. Dana Wilofsky.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Dano.

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Speaker 1 It is wonderful. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.

Speaker 1 It's not just football, although we are in the middle of the NFL's new league year beginning at four o'clock today, and the free agency period officially launching at four o'clock today.

Speaker 1 There's also a lot of other sports happening, and we will certainly be covering it all. You know, because last night, Tyrese Halle Burton became Tyrese Halle, Big Buckets.

Speaker 1 He became Tyrese Halle Ball game with a four-point play to beat the Milwaukee Bucks. He'll be joining us in about five minutes to chit-chat about this.
What a moment, what a time.

Speaker 1 He knows he's in the middle of the season, okay? There's still a lot more to do. But whenever you have a moment like this, you got to celebrate it.

Speaker 1 We will certainly try to remind him of that here in a matter of moments. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.
Want to have a hammer? Don't Cowboys ball cap tone is here.

Speaker 1 Sweet cap tone. Thank you.

Speaker 7 He's a sweet cap.

Speaker 2 That was a sweet cat.

Speaker 5 March needed a little bit of the luck of the Irish this week for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Because you guys don't have quarterback. St.
Patty's Day. St.
Patty's Patty's Day. Great-round corner.
March 17th.

Speaker 1 Two.

Speaker 1 Tim McFee's will be calling off. He's getting all right.
Sure. He's getting ready to just go ahead and slaughter some green beers.
Good move. Yeah, he's going to do it as he should.
Monday.

Speaker 1 Used to do that.

Speaker 1 I think I'll certainly have a green beer too this weekend. Sure.
Have to. Cilanta, you know, with the lads, you know, with the Irish people, give a little bit of love.
Not what we used to do, though.

Speaker 1 We really used to do it. Like, St.
Patrick's Day used to be, oh, yeah. Used to be one of the ones.

Speaker 1 think you know christmas was obviously big uh

Speaker 1 halloween was big night before thanksgiving uh we didn't do that much i i never really did that with new year's obviously saint patrick's day was the one that that thing started at like 8 a.m fourth of july yeah fourth fourth of july is a good one yeah

Speaker 1 saint patty's day though kegs and eggs 8 a.m start just By noon, you're at the nightclub that you're normally at about 2, 3 a.m. And they're open in Pittsburgh and you're right in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 I mean, you walk outside there's like sun and it's like what the hell is going on then you go back into another place and you start hammering more alcohol and by five or six o'clock it's over you know that's all she wrote you go take a three hour four hour nap and then guess what well we got nighttime st.

Speaker 1 Patrick's Day now and almost you come out of the you almost come out of the cave people thought you were down but instead you move the rock and you show back up at those bars and at those clubs and say having St.

Speaker 1 Patrick's Days or not and nobody that was there in the morning is there anymore so you really feel like a survivor you feel like you're one of the guys that have made it.

Speaker 1 And then if you see somebody that you were potentially hammer drunk with like 11, 12 hours beforehand and they're out, there's a moment of,

Speaker 1 we did it. Good for you.
Yeah. Still congrats.
We did it. Stele.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Inevitably, March 18th, horrendous day.

Speaker 1 Like one of the worst of all time. But happy St.
Patrick's Day to everybody. And I love the hats that you got on.
Now, nine-year NFL Veterans Jay Brothers here.

Speaker 4 March 18th is actually

Speaker 4 the greatest day ever.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 4 Specifically, 1986.

Speaker 5 Happy birthday to you, but you say your birthday.

Speaker 1 It is. Wait, you had the same birthday? I didn't know that was celebrating.

Speaker 1 I didn't know I was celebrating your birthday. You were.

Speaker 1 Every St. Patrick's Day.

Speaker 4 Exactly. You probably brought in most of my birthdays.
Most of my birthdays, probably blackout.

Speaker 1 No!

Speaker 1 I'm just having a good time. I appreciate that.
Just having a good time in the name of Darius J. Butler

Speaker 1 joining us now live from Anatican, Ohio, as a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a rod-cup winner. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J.
Hawk. A.J.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Still got the Yamaka look. I don't know if there was a lighting lighting difference.

Speaker 8 Maybe that's my look now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe. Hey, all good, bro.
Mazzle, bro. Shalom.

Speaker 8 Yeah, thank you very much. I agree.
St. Patty's Day is amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's one of the ones, you know, especially if you're in a place where it's celebrated. Pittsburgh, absurd.
They always say like Georgia, somewhere in Georgia. Savannah.

Speaker 1 Savannah, Georgia. It's always big.
Chicago. They do Boston.

Speaker 1 How is Boston? I assume that's a pretty great look.

Speaker 2 Well, actually, usually what they'll do too, and maybe this just happens by chance, but I remember when I was in high school and a couple years out of high school, the St.

Speaker 2 Patrick's Day parade through South Boston was also with the state championship and hockey.

Speaker 2 So a lot of people, you go in the morning, you know, make your way through South Boston as the parades go and everything, incredible.

Speaker 2 And then you go to the garden because that's where the hockey games are going on all throughout the day. And usually those are very big games.
Everybody knows what's going on.

Speaker 1 Well, not to mention any names, but we got one of our guys out of jail at about 5:30 a.m. on St.
Patrick's Day. I think I know who.

Speaker 1 And then we went straight from the jail straight to Danton and slept in the car in the parking garage for about 40 minutes or so.

Speaker 1 Then we opened the trunk, which there was a keg that was potentially taken from somebody else's house.

Speaker 1 And we just went ahead. Do I know this guy? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. You certainly do.
I think he was in here. You certainly do.
I was, yeah, he was. Yeah.
Yeah. I was, I was,

Speaker 1 I was potentially with person whenever they got arrested. And that was a wild time to be alive.

Speaker 1 Then I was almost put in the position of like,

Speaker 1 I'm pretty boozed up right now, but we got to get old buddy out because we got Big St. Patrick's Day coming up here in about four or five hours.

Speaker 1 So we obviously pulled some strings, made some things happen.

Speaker 1 We go straight from the jail, straight down to a parking garage, straight into tapping the keg in the trunk, straight into, we're all having a good time here, aren't we? Yes, we are.

Speaker 1 Walking past police officers just moments before we're in jail, obviously publicly intoxicated, having a great time. Good to see you guys.
Slanta, saloncha. And we kept it moving.

Speaker 1 Inevitably, that case would get dropped, I believe, against person. It was all bullshit.
Nice. Like we've been saying this entire time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a win. Wasn't that when Joe Hadley of Joe Hadley washing windows and sons killed that homeless guy? No, yeah.

Speaker 1 See, these are all lies. That's a different one.
Hadley was on jail, and I don't think he ever has been, actually. He's a good lad.
And if you do need your windows cleaned in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,

Speaker 1 you call Joe Hadley. Yes.
And I wish I had his business's number right now because we would say it, and he would be so fucking mad. I'm already booked.
I don't need people calling me.

Speaker 1 What do you got to, every time you say my name, my fucking, people start calling me? You want their windows clean? I don't want to clean your windows. I've already got enough windows to clean.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, oh, there it is right there. We found the website.
It is, no, not gonna be

Speaker 1 so mad. Uh, see you on April 9th.
Haddlebags and everybody else back in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who stole the evening last night with a spectacular four-point play to beat the Milwaukee Bucks here in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 1 He was wearing a fresh pair of DeGeneration X Pumas whenever he made the absurd play, and now he joins us, ladies and gentlemen, Olympic gold medalist from Iowa state dog tyrese halibur yeah

Speaker 1 how you doing dude i'm good man the intro gets better every time well especially whenever you do that you do last night hey let's run through the play real quick so we run a tunnel screen here okay we're gonna run a pick and uh little pick and skim you're coming around i i heard in a press conference you said you wanted to start on the other side and you rarely get the ball in this play feels like this play was made for you to get the rock can you go through it you know kind of step by step here and at what moment like when did you know that was was falling?

Speaker 1 As soon as it comes off the hand?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it felt good when it left my hands. You know, I had a lot of in-and-outs last night.
So when I let that one go, it felt good. But

Speaker 1 we call this Colts, I believe.

Speaker 6 And it's an end-of-the-game package for us. And it's like a rub.
What do they call that football? It's like a rub route. Yes.

Speaker 1 Is that what it is? Yes.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And so typically when we run this, I'm always denied.
Like whoever's guarding the ball denies me or like turns around and sees me and takes me away. So I was trying to get on the other side.

Speaker 6 So he threw it to the opposite corner, kind of like as

Speaker 6 a fade, lead me all the way to the other corner. Let me shoot it that way.
But just Aaron and Miles did a great job of kind of picking my guy off there. And, you know, just made the shot.

Speaker 1 Had to feel pretty cool. I mean, as the ball is falling, and you have Giannis in your face, he's six foot.

Speaker 1 Seven foot tall in your face doing this right in front of

Speaker 1 Dirt. What's his name? coach? Uh, Dirt, Derp, Darvin Ham.
Darvin Ham.

Speaker 1 The pictures of him with his hands in his pockets, still, and Lillard obviously sitting there. Just so many magical, memeable moments out of this.

Speaker 1 And the Pacers, they posted a photo of you while you're shooting it with Giannis, and they said yes, sirs on it. Like there is posters, galore in there.

Speaker 1 But as soon as that falls, you immediately know, okay, I got to knock down a free throw. Is that the immediate thought? Or what is kind of the mindset after it goes in?

Speaker 6 Well, when they challenged it, I didn't know. I mean, I was hoping that it was a three.
I was hoping that I didn't step on the line.

Speaker 6 And then they confirmed with me right away that it was a three. So now I was thinking, you know, the game being on national TV, people might appreciate some overtime.

Speaker 6 So I thought for sure they were going to wave that foul off.

Speaker 6 Then once they said, you know, that was a foul, I was thinking about was making the free throw.

Speaker 6 I know what it's like to be a, I thought I was like an ice kicker for a little bit right there.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 I haven't missed a free throw since

Speaker 6 all-star knockout woods.

Speaker 1 Okay, we will knock on woods. Shouldn't not have chatted about it.

Speaker 1 I respect if we're going to talk about kickers, that would be something we would definitely not mention, but I respect the confidence. And you've put in the work to feel that way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they reviewed it for like what seemingly was 10 minutes. I was watching it.
I'm like, this guy's just standing over there. And I think Reggie even brought up like they're icing Tyrese right now.

Speaker 1 You stepped up, knocked it home. I love it.
No problem. I love everything about it.
What TV time, bro.

Speaker 1 Reggie or Tyrese? Yeah, you weren't flexing a little bit too. You're doing a little standing around.

Speaker 1 you know I saw you you should have done a little bit more with the shoes you know hey great great night for the DX pumas pal I should have hit the top I don't know why I didn't hit the top I I was too caught up in the moment that's on me I gotta be better there good sellers yeah but I heard you say that you know you would have been fined 25,000 or something if you would have told them all suck it over here on the sideline is that accurate Probably I would have called Triple H to ask them to look out for me or something.

Speaker 6 I would have, you know, good WWE marketing, probably.

Speaker 1 this is the NBA that we're talking about. These guys get paid hundreds of millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 They can find 25 grand they're calling Triple H B. Yeah, he could have said that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Sell a sweater or something.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, buy, sell a watch.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sell all the clothes that you wear.

Speaker 1 That jacket, that big poofy leather jacket, that's 28, 29. I thought it was about four or five.
No,

Speaker 6 I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go.
It's not that much.

Speaker 1 How about this? This fit right here. I like that.
This guy's wearing 40 grand walking in the building, you know, just saying that.

Speaker 6 There's no way it was 40 grand. Bag of peanuts.

Speaker 6 I've seen some good memes about this.

Speaker 6 Typically, my outfits always get memed. One of them was

Speaker 6 when you go...

Speaker 8 Some of them was like when you go to your boy's wedding, and then

Speaker 6 this is when you, you know, the night after, and all you have is your dress shoes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You leave like this.
Good fit, though. That was a good one.
Yeah, it was a good one. That was a good one.

Speaker 1 Your outfits, costumes get memes because you always look great.

Speaker 1 This is exactly what I would wear if I was heading over to play Milwaukee Bucks. No, talk about the game in winning that.
That's big, right? That's a big win for the Pacers last night.

Speaker 1 Last night was, obviously, it was a national TV game, but that's a huge game for you guys.

Speaker 1 And coming off a three-game schneid, you come back for your first game after missing a few last night, get a win. Where are we sitting at now?

Speaker 1 And what does the rest of the season look like for the Pacers?

Speaker 1 Can I be talking shit openly to everybody about us winning this thing?

Speaker 6 Well, you always could do that, Pat. Of course.

Speaker 6 We are

Speaker 6 tied with Milwaukee and Detroit.

Speaker 6 We have the tiebreaker over Detroit. We're tied with Milwaukee for the four seed.

Speaker 6 And we play, we have a back-to-back coming up with Philly and Milwaukee. And the winner of that game against

Speaker 6 on Saturday, I want to say. Yeah, in Milwaukee, we'll have the tiebreaker for the four seed.
But

Speaker 6 yeah,

Speaker 6 it's tightly contested there between four to six. So these next 18 games are really important.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's how many we got left. 18, obviously.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to make it out to one of these games to watch you know the pacer show in life uh before the playoffs because whenever we get in the playoffs we know that the pacers about to run it okay and look out to the eastern conference because there's a freight train coming through and it's hitting jumping sideways fading threes to beat the milwaukee bucks that's a beautiful thing go ahead aj

Speaker 8 yeah tyrese i'm curious how many times have you practiced a shot like that and i don't i don't think casual people casual fans have any idea how difficult of a shot that would be even on air let alone with giannis in your face fouling you.

Speaker 8 But how many times have you practiced something like this?

Speaker 6 Well, this shot specifically, honestly speaking, we put this in two years ago. I haven't made this shot in probably two years.
Well, I haven't got the ball to make it in two years.

Speaker 6 But I don't know. I feel like...

Speaker 6 Over the course of your career, of course, being a basketball player, you imagined shooting so many different shots and different angles and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 So in this play, I'm not even thinking about,

Speaker 6 this isn't a shot like, oh, I practiced this so many times. No, this is just basketball feel and having confidence that I could make, you know, any shot in that moment.

Speaker 1 You said you had a lot of rim out. You weren't the only one.
It felt like all the boys were, but every time I looked at the score, you guys were in the lead or battling.

Speaker 1 Feels like you got a good squad. Legit.
And how do you feel about Carlisle and the boys?

Speaker 6 Yeah, we feel good. This is obviously a great,

Speaker 6 a good diagram play here.

Speaker 6 You know, I feel like we missed a lot of open looks last night.

Speaker 6 That happens over the course of a season. You know, you can't control every make, every miss.

Speaker 6 But I feel like our process has worked really well and feel really confident about the way our offense has looked since all-star break and throughout the course of the year. So,

Speaker 6 you know, I'm

Speaker 6 definitely excited about what the rest of the year has for us and looking forward to competing in the playoffs here soon.

Speaker 1 You did that thing again where you just shifted the gear with your voice box. You're like, you know what? I'm going to have a different fucking voice.

Speaker 1 I didn't.

Speaker 6 That wasn't intentional.

Speaker 1 That just happened.

Speaker 1 You're back.

Speaker 1 We're coming back.

Speaker 1 Not like town. Downshift a little bit there.

Speaker 1 It is wonderful. Darius has a question for you, Tyree.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you're talking about playoff basketball, and you guys are, everybody in the NBA right now kind of making that push. I know I'm a guy who really locks in the NBA post-all-star break.

Speaker 4 What's it like in between those lines as far as the intensity and how does it step up? Post-all-star break, making this late push, and then into the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, I mean, I think over the course, it was a little different in football.

Speaker 6 Probably, you guys are probably looking at the standings the majority of the year because there's only whatever, 16, 17 games.

Speaker 6 But in basketball, it's hard to, like, you want to know where you are, but I would say seeding and stuff like that really isn't impacted until the last like 20 games.

Speaker 6 You know, you're right there in contention with everybody. And then it's about tiebreakers and stuff like that.
I feel like that's what you pay more attention to through the course of the year, right?

Speaker 6 When you play a team three times, you know, by a third game, it's important, you know, you want to get that tiebreaker because you never know. where everybody could end up in the end.

Speaker 6 So after all-star break, it's really about, you know, locking in and just, I don't know,

Speaker 6 the intensity really picks up because, you know, we played Milwaukee. This is our third time playing them.
And I would say the intensity behind this game was much higher than the first two.

Speaker 6 And, you know, I'm assuming that this weekend will be obviously even more important.

Speaker 6 It sets up a pretty good, pretty big game, you know, because, you know, we've been neck and neck pretty much all year. And, you know, we're looking for a crash.

Speaker 6 It's looking like a crash course that we're going to play each other in that four or five game. Don't want to take away from what Detroit is doing because they're looking really good as well.

Speaker 1 They could be right there with with with both of us but um you know you want to be that four seed because you want that home court advantage in that first round feels like the nba is doing this brother right now feels like everything like the vibes conversation you know you hit a shot like that on a tuesday like that's happening on a regular basis it feels like the nba is in a good spot remember last time we talked to you we thought dead remember big time

Speaker 1 the nba was dead you remember i was even telling you that instead it feels like the lads are chatting a little bit more we're learning more the game's getting better.

Speaker 1 Teams are getting more interesting. You know, it feels like it's a good time in the NBA.
Do you guys feel that right now or no?

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I said our league, we never feel like it's dead.
I mean, I hear what you guys are saying. We obviously all talk a lot.
So I hear the opinions of the... of the of the team.

Speaker 6 But I think, you know, as we get to playoff time, I think that's when everybody really locks in. Everybody's engaged.

Speaker 6 You know, more storylines, more rivalries, all that stuff is created.

Speaker 6 And, you know, maybe a little bit more drama, which I think all sports fans appreciate so i think we're in a good time right now as we get here into playoff time jared rich paul say he's a vegan do it all

Speaker 1 stays away from all his marks yeah he does don't like all drama speaking of we got shaquille o'neal joining us in about an hour excited to chat about his thoughts on the current state of the game you know that should be fun that should be uh blessed i'll ask him about your big shot last night i saw him react to it in real time now he's gotten a chance to kind of digest it for about 14 hours what his thoughts are shot of the year people were saying tyree shot of the year happening last night Felt like the place was packed out, too, right?

Speaker 1 Good vibes last night?

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, it was definitely packed in there.

Speaker 6 I think obviously our fans love,

Speaker 6 you know, we love when we get national TV games, you know, because in the past couple years, we haven't really had that opportunity.

Speaker 6 So I think as a fan base, as a team, we try to take advantage when we get that opportunity. And, you know, you play Milwaukee, right?

Speaker 6 Like, that's a team who there's obviously a little bit of a history with both of us. So I feel like the fans are all part of it.
And, you know, that's what makes our league great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was awesome. It was an awesome experience.
I should have been there. Should have been there.
I was supposed to go. Couldn't go.

Speaker 4 Couldn't go. We were supposed to go.

Speaker 6 My mom, you know, my mom, you know, she's in charge of the tickets. So this is maybe the fourth or fifth time.
I said, hey, mom, I think you got to hold two for Pat. And she goes, she goes, why?

Speaker 6 He never comes anyway.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 She's going to give you some shit when you finally do come.

Speaker 6 She's going to be like, hey, I always hold these tickets for no reason.

Speaker 1 Well, let's tell mom, okay, that A, I appreciate that. I understand the passion that she has for it.

Speaker 1 And watching a game alongside of her is an honor she's in there she's a great fan she's very well loved by everybody too they kind of know who she is with that being said mom i got a lot going on you know i got a two-year-old

Speaker 1 wife and i got a two-year-old it's not as easy as just you know we're gonna go on tuesday dan tan and watch the game there's a lot that goes into it you'll experience this okay and you're well i i have your back i have your back in these conversations uh of course because i know you got a lot going on but you know mom mom thinks the world revolves around the pacers so duh i need to let mom know.

Speaker 1 I apologize for that. I can't wait to watch the game.
I'll see her soon. I will see her soon.
Yes. And then, obviously, the lady, I saw her last night.
Jade was down there.

Speaker 1 A lot of comments about what you were going to do last night. I did appreciate seeing you just go and see your lady and just have a nice little night in Indiana, right? Right?

Speaker 6 Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Came back,

Speaker 6 watched Paradise.

Speaker 1 No, by the way, people love it.

Speaker 1 I've heard it is great.

Speaker 1 I've heard it is.

Speaker 6 Great show. I'm on episode seven.
Great show. Oh, bro.

Speaker 1 Great show. Was it snowing in there? Was it a, they said that that is normally the what?

Speaker 1 What do they say?

Speaker 1 Who's in it? Is there all white people in there? What is the show? The paradise.

Speaker 1 No. What's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. I didn't know that.
They're just talking about what Tyrell. Are you saying? They're saying what Tyrese normally does.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 1 I've seen it. I've seen that.

Speaker 6 Hey, D-butt, D-butt. Did they tell you when I went to the Combine, they gave me the D-Butt

Speaker 1 name tag?

Speaker 6 I said, why did I get the D-but

Speaker 1 D-Butt wasn't there D-But wasn't there

Speaker 1 it was either it was either D-Butt or D-bone you know it is Andy you know hospitality

Speaker 1 it was either him or D-bone and to be honest the D-bone one was on its way but we thought it was disrespect because if you see the D-bone one

Speaker 1 I think you would have you know Louie Lastic yes I mean Lombo got it with mine so I mean just make sense yeah it's all exactly Lombardi came in with Anthony DiGiolios no reason other than it was available at the time people need to remember that Ty has a question for you, Tyrese.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Tyrese, obviously it's a midweek game regular season, but still, you know, that's a big matchup.

Speaker 2 Hitting that shot, where does that rank in your career in terms of like big shots that you've hit?

Speaker 6 I mean, probably,

Speaker 6 I'd probably say number two in terms of big shots because I hit a game winner against the Bucs last year in the playoffs as well. So probably...

Speaker 6 Probably right up there, top two. I mean, what are the odds that we're really going to remember a regular season game 15 years from now? But hey, you never know.

Speaker 1 I will remember.

Speaker 6 Hopefully we make more moments where that's not a top five moment, but currently I'd probably put it number two.

Speaker 1 That's a big shot, dude. Four-point play to win a game, especially in like playoff time.

Speaker 4 That is a over Giannis, too.

Speaker 1 Over, yeah, over the Greek freak. Yeah, he's good at basketball.
That's a great shot. With Dame standing on the sideline, right in front of their bench.
I mean, that is a great moment.

Speaker 1 Are you going to, are we?

Speaker 1 We'll try to do that, actually. We should probably get them like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to get that blown up.

Speaker 1 Blown up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Put that on the ceiling, maybe a bedroom. You know?

Speaker 6 On the ceiling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you can see yourself all the time. That's where he's got the mirror.

Speaker 5 That's where he's got his mirrors. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I knew that was coming.

Speaker 1 I knew that's going to be Cody Rhodes mural. We don't know.
Yeah. Mark.

Speaker 6 Yo, yo, Todd, by the way, I saw the Lisa Bluter bobblehead.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you broke it. I know.
A cold nichols, bro. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I didn't touch the goddamn thing. We had a motion.

Speaker 1 But that's how it was.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 6 What? You made me bet my gold medal for that bobblehead.

Speaker 2 You're sleeping on the wheel, pal.

Speaker 2 I told you, hey, Lisa Bluter's yours take good care of it and under your watch under your stewardship she gets broken in two i don't know what you want me to tell you i can send it to you in pieces yeah do you want do you want the feet and the upper body do you want the both pieces or just the the what do you i i don't want it's broke now so that's totally fine with me well maybe we'll get you a new a new bobblehead or something yeah oh they got my bobblehead i give you my bobblehead these days oh okay

Speaker 6 maybe my iowa state one That would be even better.

Speaker 1 Ty is going to put that in front of him, but we will. We will definitely put it in.
I'll have you know, Coach Lisa Bluter told us she sent in another one.

Speaker 6 She did. I saw that on Twitter.
That's good for the brand.

Speaker 5 We'll see. Not to Ty, just to you.

Speaker 1 We haven't got it yet, but we will be patiently waiting for Coach Bluter. We'll see.
Logistics. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Conman has a question for you, Tyree.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Tyreese, one of those big shots could come against the Celtics, but you guys can't beat him when it matters.

Speaker 2 But do you guys have any big rivals this year?

Speaker 1 What's this guy's from?

Speaker 2 I think last year you and the Bucks.

Speaker 6 I don't know, you thought that shit was funny?

Speaker 2 I think last year you and the Bucs had some beef.

Speaker 2 Do you have any beef with any teams this year that maybe, I mean, I know the Knicks, there's that kind of fake beef because you did say you and Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson are all boys.

Speaker 2 But who's the team this year that the Pacers really hate?

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 6 Coach Carlisle says to beat teams, you got to hate them. You know, so I think it's whoever's in front of us,

Speaker 6 I think we're supposed to hate. I think,

Speaker 6 obviously, last year playing the Bucs and the Knicks in the playoffs,

Speaker 6 there's a little bit of a rivalry there. And then, you know, your Boston Celtics as well, they beat us in the playoffs.
So, you know, we'd

Speaker 1 be

Speaker 1 Detroit this year. You guys haven't anything? Ah.

Speaker 6 Ah, right. Yes.
I guess that is a thing back

Speaker 6 in the league. They're trying to bring back the bad boys rivalry, right? The Malice rivalry.

Speaker 1 Listen, I don't know who's trying to bring that back. You guys aren't? Because aren't you guys getting a little bit of a bad thing? No,

Speaker 6 yeah. I think the public might be trying to bring back the malice rivalry.
But, I mean, that's good for the league. I get it.
My only thing is, I said this last year about the Bucs.

Speaker 6 I don't really consider it a rivalry until you get a playoff matchup. So if

Speaker 6 we play the Pistons in the playoffs, then I think you can say that the rivalry is back. But until then, you know,

Speaker 6 I think it's just competing.

Speaker 6 Like I said, Coach says you've got to hate him to beat him. So it's all part of it.

Speaker 1 Carlisle, what a special guy. Love that guy.

Speaker 5 Can you imagine Tyrese as a stands and respecting paymakers or fans?

Speaker 1 I could, actually, yeah, especially Tyrese. You couldn't imagine that on on him.
Need more rivalries. Maybe he's putting those pumas, you know, through people's face.

Speaker 1 Watch out for these two. Sweet chin music.

Speaker 6 Sweet chin music to the pedigree.

Speaker 1 Okay, it's going to be tough because if you connect on sweet, you're going to have to pick him back up. You're going to have to sweet chin.
You're going to.

Speaker 6 What if it's a big fella, a big drunk fella? You know, he doesn't go down.

Speaker 1 So Isaiah Stewart? What are you?

Speaker 1 How tall are you?

Speaker 6 I'm 6'5.

Speaker 1 You're a pretty big dude, too, Bub.

Speaker 1 So you're gonna get a lot of people. I'm I'm talking about big.
I'm talking about big as in Y. Fat guy.

Speaker 4 Oh, so a sweet guy.

Speaker 6 Why guy,

Speaker 6 couple Brewskis in him, probably not going down from the sweet chin music?

Speaker 1 I think drunk fat has a button you could hit for sure.

Speaker 1 I think you could get that button.

Speaker 6 Everybody has a button. Everybody has a button, by the way.

Speaker 1 But if you're going to do a kick to the gut pedigree, then lift person up, then you can sweet chin them. Then I think you get the one, too.
Are these DX Pumas going to be for sale?

Speaker 6 I think right now they're a player edition. They're just for me as of right now.

Speaker 1 We're good from this company. We can't get it.

Speaker 6 It would be nice. But

Speaker 6 I have a great relationship with the people at WWE. So

Speaker 6 we're having conversations. Hopefully it's a

Speaker 6 collaboration opportunity in the future with

Speaker 6 some current, some past superstars. You guys know I'm a big WWE fan.
So if I can do stuff with

Speaker 6 DX, with Triple H, with the final boss, with

Speaker 6 Armed Armor.

Speaker 6 Now with the final boss. oh john cena you know i don't know what his nickname is right now is a bad guy but whatever that's the main one that's the main one we want

Speaker 6 whose side are you on here in this entire thing i don't think we've talked uh you know i love good competition so you know i'm with every uh cody's been great to me we had great conversation at the rumble but i mean cena's my guy so kicked him off

Speaker 6 yeah that was that was rude that was a little reckless but i think i i fall somewhere in the middle i'm probably leaning towards john but if Cody wins, he's resilient. You know, I respect it.

Speaker 6 He's had to fight past the whole bloodline to get to where he is today. So, sure, the final boss and Cena aren't anything to him, but we'll see.
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 I'm still going.

Speaker 1 better bell.

Speaker 1 Better, better,

Speaker 1 better, better be

Speaker 1 confirmed. You didn't say it.
Not a colour. You didn't say it.
Wow. Okay.

Speaker 6 Oh, I'll still say it. Hold on, one sec.

Speaker 1 I'll say it. Give me a second.

Speaker 1 Go get your market.

Speaker 6 I'm ready. I'm ready.
I'm ready. Come on.
Look.

Speaker 1 Better bell.

Speaker 1 Better bad.

Speaker 1 Better be.

Speaker 1 Thank you for doing that.

Speaker 2 That was better than Titan like that.

Speaker 1 All right, congratulations, buddy. That was a big night last night.
We can't wait to watch the Pacers finish out the season strong and then playoff basketball right around the corner. Welcome back.

Speaker 1 You were hurt, right? Last time it was first came back?

Speaker 6 I was hurt. Last time it was first came back.
All right.

Speaker 1 We're happy you're back. Ladies and gentlemen, Olympic gold medalist, future world champion,

Speaker 1 Tyrese Hallbert. Yay, Tyrese.

Speaker 1 Could be a world champion in WWE and ANBA. Good.
Wow.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's going to be hard to get that strap.

Speaker 1 I do appreciate that you just,

Speaker 1 you are very much openly a Celtics fan, right to Tyrese's face. How could I not be? Swept last year in the playoffs.
You remember that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We go into Gadden in New York, do some Gaddening, get the Knicks out of the way. Then all of a sudden we got the Celtics and it's like, yeah, this is going to be great.

Speaker 1 This is going to be a fun series. And then it was not.
They just did. They just won four straight.

Speaker 2 Well, the craziest part was that the Pacers, after those four games, you watched all of them. It should have been two, two, or three, one Pacers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because there was...

Speaker 2 They just shit down their legs.

Speaker 1 Moments.

Speaker 1 Remember, there was a ghost in the garden that stripped somebody.

Speaker 4 You just dropped Egypt. Tyrese.

Speaker 1 Dribble it just dribbled it and somehow the ball bounces sideways on the battle and now it's over we lose that game okay the the pass inbound inbound pass oh yeah the jalen brown three-pointer in the corner all right uh

Speaker 2 it's like 108 101 pacers with two minutes left in indiana the game we were at before the indie 500 like they should have won that for sure that was when i uh i hit the yeah you rev the engine i revved the engine

Speaker 1 jack mcgee was there

Speaker 2 still Still doing it.

Speaker 5 They still revving that thing?

Speaker 1 Or is that just playoffs? I haven't been to a game this year, so I believe it's just playoffs. It's been tough to get that.
I don't know. Going to a game is a lot.
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 You're all the way down there with everything going on.

Speaker 8 Wait, you rev, they have like a NASCAR there?

Speaker 1 IndyCar. Fucking car.
IndyCar. Yeah, you're right.
You're right. IndyCar.
I'm welcome. That was an Indy car.

Speaker 1 Jeez, Louise. All right, for now.

Speaker 8 It's all racing. It's all racing.
It's not F1, so it's better than that.

Speaker 1 Come on. Amen, brother.
Weekend.

Speaker 1 Big weekend this weekend.

Speaker 1 G1, get down and all shit. Here is a new guy.

Speaker 8 New guy going to take the top spot.

Speaker 1 You're talking about Londo.

Speaker 8 Londo, they're going to let him win this time, I guess.

Speaker 1 We be laughing. Little asshole.
Amen.

Speaker 8 If he is the pulseitter, he will win the race.

Speaker 1 Well, that is G1 racing.

Speaker 1 Follow the leader, leader, leader, follow the leader. Get this thing done.

Speaker 4 We had seven winners last year. Coming off the best season.

Speaker 8 What, 80 races?

Speaker 1 No, 23, I think? Seven different winners? Surprising.

Speaker 1 I'm proud of F1. So resilient.
Just coming back another season. Yeah.
It's been around for a while.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Really? Long time.

Speaker 4 I think ESPN is dealing with.

Speaker 1 Really? Oh, shoot. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Next year, I think.

Speaker 1 I'm getting into it this year. I'm getting into F1.
I'm going to see why people like it.

Speaker 1 Because anytime we talk shit on F1, I'll have some snob send me a message telling me I don't get it and yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay, can the boys go on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and do anything? No. So I don't want to hear it.
But with that being said, a lot of money, okay?

Speaker 1 A lot of investment, a lot of passion, a lot of pageantry. And those cars do look sweet.

Speaker 4 Got an American car coming in too in 26.

Speaker 1 Andre? Cadillac. Cadillac.
Yeah, they're driving an escalade. Yeah, they.

Speaker 1 I'll watch that. Yeah.
Especially because an American Escalade will bump up. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Trace of Paint. Because F1 really loves when everybody's just right behind each other.
The Cadillac Escalade's going to come and go, nope, nope, we're actually, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 1 It's going to be Monster Jam. Exactly.
F1 meets Monster Jam.

Speaker 1 That's something I'll watch. And that's why they didn't want Americans in it for a long time, right? They were actually

Speaker 1 actively suing America to get into F1 and to happen.

Speaker 4 Oh, I know Andretti was going through, built a big, big facility out here, actually. He was trying to get into it, but he did not.
Cadillac is getting in.

Speaker 1 Shots of Cadillac.

Speaker 1 That'll be sweet.

Speaker 2 Do they have a good car or engine or whatever the fucking bullshit is?

Speaker 4 We won't know yet until 26.

Speaker 2 Oh, so you don't even know if it's got a good no.

Speaker 1 But I don't know if it's going to be able to compete. I promise you Cadillac has the best engineers in the world.

Speaker 4 It's a great American company.

Speaker 1 They'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 Yes, they certainly will.

Speaker 1 Yes, they certainly. Which is why F1 didn't want Americans in for a long time.
That's true. Cadillac's going to come in there and do it.
I'll tell you what. When Cadillac gets in, we'll get in.

Speaker 1 When's that? Next year?

Speaker 4 26.

Speaker 1 I will see you next year. See you next year, F1.
Starts in Australia this weekend. I will watch.
I will say. I will give it another shot.
I'm optimistic. I'm going to like it.
That's my new new thing.

Speaker 1 I'm optimistic these days. Here we go.

Speaker 1 It's half full about things that are seemingly a matter of fact, but I will be optimistic that the opposite is going to happen. And

Speaker 1 I'm pumped about that. You know, I was optimistic that we're going to see both of Bosas on one team.
San Francisco 49ers.

Speaker 1 I think Mama Bosa was optimistic that she was going to see both her boys playing for one team. I think the split jersey was going to be no more.
The split travel was going to be no more.

Speaker 1 The Bosas thought, you know what? Nick and Joey back at it like they were kids in the backyard on the same D-line, hunting other quarterbacks. That's going to happen.
Uh-uh.

Speaker 1 Brandon Bean said, I don't think so. One year, $12.6 million deal for Joey Bosa to join the Buffalo Beals.

Speaker 1 Now, remember, they moved on from Von Miller, still kept the door open to bring back Von Miller at a different price tag. And now they signed $12 million guaranteed to Joey Bosa.

Speaker 1 Joey Bosa's stats over the last few years, whenever it comes to sacks, have not been necessarily something that'll guarantee like high-end money, but he's a game record. He's a dog.

Speaker 1 He's a tone setter. I think Bean loves everything about that, AJ.
When you saw Bosa was going to Buffalo, were you as surprised as I was? I thought he was going to the Niners.

Speaker 1 I thought they were going to make that happen.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I was a bit surprised. I'm just curious what the Niners may have offered.

Speaker 8 If he signed a one-year $12 million guaranteed, possible getting up to 15, like do the Niners offer him half of that, you think? Like, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would assume there was some sort of hometown family discount.

Speaker 1 You know, like, we don't have all the cash in the world, especially with Brock Purdy's contract looming, depending upon this year or next year. I assume it was a low ball.
I assume it was a low ball.

Speaker 1 And then he said,

Speaker 1 You want to lose some money for your brother? And he goes, Absolutely not. He goes, All right, we'll send Joey to Buffalo then.

Speaker 1 And Bean, he adds a guy on a one-year, you know, mission with all the amount of money they've invested in this particular roster, trying to go win a Super Bowl. Can Joey help him do that?

Speaker 4 He's a top-tier guy when healthy, and health has been his major issue. But when he's out there, he's going to produce in the run in the past game.

Speaker 4 And the Buffalo Bills need some dynamic playmakers on both sides of the ball. I wonder if Josh Allen sent this idea over to Bean.
But yeah, I think he'll be a great addition.

Speaker 4 They locked up Russo as well earlier this offseason and Bernard on the second level linebacker. So, yeah, they keep beefing up, signed a one-year deal with DeMar Hamlin.

Speaker 4 So, you know, they're trying to figure it out on Buffalo on that defense. Side to get over that Kansas City Chiefs hunt.

Speaker 1 Congrats to DeMar getting another deal with the Buffalo Bills. Obviously, a fantastic story, but also great football was played by DeMar this past season.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the Yinser going back to Buffalo. You look at the AFC East now, AJ, you know, there's a lot of question marks here.
Patriots, brand new everything.

Speaker 1 Jets brand new everything. Dolphins, you know, kind of staying put with a lot of the pieces that they had in years past.

Speaker 1 A lot of conversation around them is are they ever going to be able to win a big one. Gumpy, after going to Miami, your thoughts on the Dolphins being able to focus and win football games?

Speaker 10 After spending five days in there, I think it will be tough. But I like what Chris Greer is doing.
No big splashes, but some good moves, bringing in some good guys for the team we already have.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Jets, Patriots, brand new. Dolphins, seemingly the same.
And then the Buffalo Bill is revamped, including in bringing in new people.

Speaker 1 AFC East is an interesting conversation with the Bills being the king, obviously.

Speaker 2 Yeah, definitely the Bills. And even with Joey Bosa, like the biggest thing for the Bills, especially their D-line, was like, hey, these guys rotate, you know, constantly.

Speaker 2 I think their leading D-lineman only still played 60 or 70% of snaps. And that was Ed Oliver.
So Bosa with the health thing won't even be as big of a problem, it feels like.

Speaker 2 But yeah, it is kind of wide open. It's one of those...

Speaker 2 spots where you know a couple things go wrong for the jets or the dolphins or the patriots you know that other team can kind of slide up there into that two-hole and maybe sneak in to the wild card there.

Speaker 2 But the Bills still run it. I mean, there's nothing confusing about that.

Speaker 5 They are, you know, levels above those other three teams.

Speaker 1 They certainly do. And obviously, the only reason why they haven't had their Super Bowl run or Super Bowl success is because there's been one team standing in their way, the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Kansas City has a lot of moves that they have had to make. This offseason for their team, they get to the Super Bowl, which is still an incredible feat.
They win the AFC, incredible feat.

Speaker 1 Had the number one record in all of football, incredible feat.

Speaker 1 And then they get the doors blown off them by the Philadelphia Eagles, which I think he's put a chip on their shoulder, which could make this Chiefs team even more lethal than they have been in the past.

Speaker 1 They move on from Justin Reed, who just signed a three-year deal with the New Orleans Saints yesterday. Justin Reed's safety from the Texans, I believe.
Then he goes to the Chiefs. He can kick off.

Speaker 1 He can kick field goals. He was an absolute dog for this Chiefs' defense.
He gets three-year 31.5, 22.5, 22 and a a quarter guaranteed. Congrats to him returning home to Louisiana.

Speaker 1 Debucks, what are they getting down there at a Justin Reed?

Speaker 4 A great player. Smart player, great character guy on and off the field in the meeting room.
A guy you want in that building. You talk about his Texans run.
Had a great run there.

Speaker 4 Had a great run with Kansas City. I'm a little surprised.
I thought he would get kind of close to what the other top safeties got on the market. But it's a great addition for New Orleans.

Speaker 4 They're willing to deal with it. somehow even with their cap situation, but great signing with him getting back paired up.
The other Louisiana native, Tyrann Matthew.

Speaker 1 How about Tyron Matthews still doing it?

Speaker 1 High level, too. High level, yeah.
Yeah, very high level. It's almost like because he goes down to the Saints and the Saints haven't been.
Yeah. You know, you kind of forget about it.

Speaker 1 Good luck to everybody down there in the new regime. Let's go to college ball, shall we?

Speaker 1 Rich Rodriguez had a press conference yesterday or two days ago talking about a new rule in the West Virginia Mountaineer football camp.

Speaker 2 No, I don't really, I mean, they're going to be on it, so it's not, I'm not banning them from it.

Speaker 2 i just ban them from dancing on it you know it's like don't look well try to have a hard edge whatever and you're in there you know in in uh in your tights you know dancing on tick tock ain't quite the image of our program that i want but i told the team today i said everything today is about trying to make everybody

Speaker 2 individual. It's all about the individual.
It's all about the individual. And I said, football is one of the last things.
It's got to be more about the team than the individual.

Speaker 2 And so I just, I banned dancing on TikTok.

Speaker 4 I guess I did that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 anything that doesn't look like

Speaker 1 our program should look, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I think it's just like, come on. You know what, really? I mean.

Speaker 1 What do you mean by that? And I'm allowed to do that, I guess. I can help.

Speaker 1 Like I said, 20 years from now, they want to be...

Speaker 2 sitting in their pajamas in the basement, eating Cheetos and watching TikTok or whatever the hell they can go at it.

Speaker 1 Smoking cannabis, whatever.

Speaker 1 Malk yourself out. Where'd that come from?

Speaker 1 Smoking cannabis? That's one ad.

Speaker 1 There's a question. I'm so happy he's back.
I'm so happy he's back. I didn't ban TikTok because they're going to be on there.
I banned them dancing on TikTok. I don't want to see them in their tits.

Speaker 1 I don't want to.

Speaker 7 You know?

Speaker 1 That's what he said.

Speaker 4 I just want the quick conversation of like the unfiltered conversation.

Speaker 1 So there was a lot there. There was a lot there that was certainly coming through.

Speaker 1 The cannabis thing came from an earlier question because Pac-Man Jones, friend of the program, obviously West Virginia University legend, top 10 pick, top five pick in the NFL draft out of West Virginia.

Speaker 1 He told a story about how, you know, he was able to get around the marijuana test throughout the NFL. And to be clear, I didn't know that was really possible in the NFL.

Speaker 1 I got tested a lot. I was in the substance abuse program for 27 months.
I think I had 300-something tests in a 27-month period. So you're talking about a lot of tests.
I took a lot of tests.

Speaker 1 So listening to him kind of lay out what he did. I'm like, oh, that is actually a pretty good little, it's a pretty good little strategy.
Slide a hand in there, do the entirety.

Speaker 1 I don't know with the piss testers that I had, it would have worked because they were.

Speaker 8 Yeah, me too. I mean, they're pretty

Speaker 8 right there in front of me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But PAC said he was able to do it. And I believe with the way he set up, he had like a...

Speaker 8 No, I believe I was with PAC in Cincinnati. There's different, they test differently depending on who is working, whatever teams.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So like, I believed, I listened to it.
And then obviously at West Virginia, we potentially did have a way of going about doing the testing.

Speaker 8 Did they test you in college?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You get tested for weed in college?

Speaker 1 How often?

Speaker 1 I got it like twice, I think, in the four years randomly selected.

Speaker 4 It was, it was

Speaker 4 truly random. And NFL is random, but you know like the time period that it's going to, you know, you start on 420.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it starts on 420.

Speaker 4 So you know you OTAs, mini camp, training camp, those certain times. But outside of that, you can kind of time and space it out.
And college, at least for us, it'll be random.

Speaker 4 You know, call up after practice, huddle, hey, Butler hart mcfee go in there right now it's like damn college yeah uh so we we

Speaker 1 we had night before we were told oh no and then next morning we were in there so we you know we had the whole there was a gimmick there was a game sure we're sleeping with gnc uh no you just need a visine bottle basically and uh somebody else and then you just sleep with that in your tights so it gets body temperature you wake up the next morning pop that thing in a microwave five ten seconds make sure it gets a little bit more heat put that in the tights and you're going in in there.

Speaker 1 And then obviously go to the stall and they give it a cup and

Speaker 1 then it turns around and they test the temperature. That's the big thing is the temperature right? Yeah, it is.
Sweet. You're good.
You got it. I'm going to go to workout.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying I did that or anybody at West Virginia did it. I'm just saying that did happen potentially in drug testing times.
So he was asked earlier about the,

Speaker 1 not just about the drug testing policies, but the NCAA, I think, doesn't test for it anymore. And in West Virginia, it's legal.

Speaker 1 So he was just asking, he was being asked about how he's going to talk to his players about it.

Speaker 1 And his answer was very very good he gave a very good answer uh he said you know it was easier back in the day whenever it was against rules because if it's against rules i'll say don't do it you know like a false start jumping off sides against the rules don't do it smoke and reads against the rules don't do it now that it's like kind of not really being tested for and also it's legal in the state in which your school is he gave a speech about excess and you know obviously anything and wanting this and if it doesn't affect this like he gave a very it wasn't a rich rod answer that i thought i was going to hear you know i i i don't need no hippies like it wasn't.

Speaker 1 He's evolving.

Speaker 8 He's got to evolve with the times. Good for him, man.
Like, even Saban says, like, you have to kind of, you can't, there's certain things you can't be stuck on, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's still, you know, we're not dancing on TikTok.

Speaker 1 Okay, and I'm allowed to do that. He said,

Speaker 1 so I want to be in their basement. He's going to have his, he's going to have his.

Speaker 8 Hey, if I'm a high school recruit and I want to go to West Virginia, I'm scrubbing my TikTok right now.

Speaker 1 I don't want him to do anything.

Speaker 1 If you're a high school recruit and you're a dog, just know that you are very much welcome to West Virginia. You know, and those, these players exist.
You know, there's a lot of teams that have them.

Speaker 1 A lot of teams that have them. Now, granted, the TikTok generation, we're not blaming them.
TikTok is an app that has obviously captivated an entire group of human beings at a certain age.

Speaker 1 And I think it tries to promote fun and happy and just being a part of things. And when you're doing those dances, you're part of a group.
It's like, I don't mind it at all.

Speaker 1 But I do appreciate, I've never done it, but we got people in here that have done it. It's like, you do what you got to do.

Speaker 1 But I don't mind Rich Rod being like, yeah, that ain't what we're looking for, for, though. You know, there's other teams that maybe that is their third.
Rich Rod's like, that ain't what we're.

Speaker 4 I completely understand what I've seen.

Speaker 1 He's, yeah, exactly. And he said, they're going to be on it.
I fucking know that everybody has TikTok. So they're going to be on it.
I just don't want them dancing on it.

Speaker 1 Listen, you can watch others dance. You can comment.
Sure.

Speaker 1 You can even say, damn, that's a great dance.

Speaker 1 I just don't want to see your fucking ass.

Speaker 1 I've been getting some quotes from the building of Rich Rod, and he's been evolving.

Speaker 1 He certainly added to his incredible repertoire of being able to put swear words into places that really nobody has been able to do. He is an orator, to say the least.

Speaker 1 And getting a chance to chat with him now after practice and after these meetings and with how he acknowledges some of the things that happen in these interactions, I couldn't even fathom what he was saying to his friends about whenever I was there.

Speaker 1 Just like, legitimately, I couldn't even, couldn't even, this fucking asshole. Just like the whole layout of it.
But it's going to take a little bit, I think, to get that culture.

Speaker 1 It's going to take a little bit. Him and Matt Rule, you know, Matt Rule was the first one to ban TikTok, I think.
He had TikTok workouts at 6 a.m.

Speaker 1 in the morning of the Combine where they had the strength staff print out everybody's TikTok bios and put them on top of

Speaker 1 weights and then push the sled while they're staring at their TikTok bios. It was called a TikTok workout is what Matt Rule said.

Speaker 1 And I think what Matt Rule and Rod are both saying is, first of all, we shouldn't be recruiting guys that want to do this. But also, if you're here, we don't want you to be worried about that.

Speaker 1 We want you to be worried about this. Trying to build a culture, Seth Dunn, is basically what he's trying to do.

Speaker 4 For sure, and it's tough. We've talked, just talking about it, we were in college 20 years ago.
These coaches have been coaching much, much longer than that.

Speaker 4 And while you're talking about these guys, I'm thinking about Bill. You know, you talk about evolving.
I saw a video, I think, of him and Chapel Hill at the basketball game.

Speaker 1 Great dap, solid daps.

Speaker 1 Beautiful daps.

Speaker 4 Never seen those type of daps coming from Bill B. I wonder if he's the next coach to ban TikTok and these ain't the dancers on the platform.

Speaker 1 What will he call it he'll call it uh talk tick or something oh yeah clock talk

Speaker 1 can he do that gimmick in college what's that he's gotta he's gotta be up to speed all right no i think he's gonna rely on old faithful i think he's gonna call his social media stuff the wrong name yeah my face

Speaker 1 snap face also yeah i'm not doing that he gets a good pop out of it names on it

Speaker 1 he does feel good yeah yeah i get a good pop out of it too because what's the combo coming you know what combo is coming anytime you would reference my space it is like oh yeah he

Speaker 1 nobody has updated him on anything he's been out of the game where's tom

Speaker 1 is tom okay press and peace oh yeah i think he made a bunch of money and kind of just vanished and then he became a photographer

Speaker 1 yeah and just did it he kind of just does his own thing did it created his thing got a shit ton of money and now i'm gonna go do what i want to do yep that's nice that's why you're in my top eight tom

Speaker 8 is it still alive is myspace still a thing I think JT bought it a few years back.

Speaker 1 He's going to turn it into a music platform, but obviously that always works. Really? People trying to start new platforms or or revive platforms.

Speaker 1 I think there was a little bit of an investment trying to make it a music

Speaker 1 thing, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 Oh, is Tom the MySpace guy?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. I had no clue what we were talking about.
Oh, he was there.

Speaker 4 Everybody's friend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He was right there. He was just like a cool guy.

Speaker 1 He was always there for you. You had no friends? Yes, you do.
You have one friend. His name's Tom.
He created this fucking thing. That's sweet.
Yeah. Yeah.
Didn't know much about it.

Speaker 1 It was hard to reach. It's a good gimmick.

Speaker 1 That's it. Tom had no idea.

Speaker 2 He's got no skeletons.

Speaker 5 The beat and anxiety and stress he was going to cause with teenage women and picking their top eight friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 a lot of those social media platforms at their early stages created a lot more drama than I think they could have ever intended. Certainly.

Speaker 1 You know, like writing on people's walls, that became a thing.

Speaker 1 Whenever Facebook and their wall started... And then whenever people started tagging photos,

Speaker 1 there was a lot of things that were done during that time. Because people would say, I didn't do that.

Speaker 1 And then you just go right to their Facebook and there's a photo and a post explaining exactly what you did

Speaker 1 the night before. It's like, I was not at Insert whatever.
And then all of a sudden you open this Facebook app that's relatively new and there's... 14 photos and posts from you at that place.

Speaker 1 What the hell? And somebody actually checked in with you there. Like, hi, is this your best friend said that you were there?

Speaker 1 Must have been a man. I was not.
Is that you? That started. That never happened in the real world before you know i think like um what was a beep chirp uh

Speaker 1 oh yeah next to where you at next to where you at they had the tracker on that yeah they had like a tracker on the phone and i remember people being like

Speaker 1 you're gonna you're gonna i was like a teenager or a young young lad listening to older

Speaker 1 I guess, terrible partners now that I think about it in relationships being like, this is going to ruin my relationship. It's like, well, where are you lying about where you are? It's like,

Speaker 1 now you can be tracked. It's like Facebook took that to

Speaker 1 another level. And now you can just track everybody all the time.
Yeah, easily. The transition into being tracked and not being able to just say, I wasn't there, was one.

Speaker 1 And it was like 2005-ish on Facebook, 2006-ish. And now we're here.
Now everybody knows everything about everybody.

Speaker 1 And now people are dancing on TikTok, but not in a West Virginia University locker room.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Why top eight? Did he ever answer why he only did eight top friends, Tom, on MySpace?

Speaker 1 You could do your top four, too. I think there was like

Speaker 1 setting. I think there was levels.

Speaker 1 Top eight was just like, hey, here's the eight people that I hang out with. And then whoever the ninth is,

Speaker 1 problematic. Are you changing it?

Speaker 8 Are they ranked one to eight?

Speaker 1 They're not ranked, are they? Yeah, I think they were.

Speaker 7 Oh.

Speaker 1 I think they were. If I recall, I wasn't a big MySpace.
People shuffle it around. Yeah,

Speaker 8 I didn't get into it. Where people would shuffle them around.
You could go from eight to one.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What do you got to do to do that? That's what I'm doing.
What do you do for that? You know, you got to chuck their corn. Yeah, and put butter on them and serve them.

Speaker 1 That's tough.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm glad I never got into MySpace. I wasn't there.
Yeah, MySpace.

Speaker 1 I didn't do much of the MySpace. I knew, I know enough about it, but I didn't do enough paying attention to it.
You know, because that was back whenever,

Speaker 1 to get on, you had to call the internet and hope that they answered, and then they would answer. Then you get on there, and then

Speaker 1 you go to AIM,

Speaker 1 and then you go to AIM.

Speaker 8 And then your mom picks up the phone in the kitchen and bumps you off.

Speaker 8 That's how old school that is.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That's crazy.
I'm rearranged by 128.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 MySpace was the one that

Speaker 4 you could have friends that weren't in college. We went to college, Facebook.
They had to have the college email address.

Speaker 2 It was for people who were like right underneath that cutoff for Facebook when you still had to have a college email address to get on Facebook.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my senior year in

Speaker 1 a senior year of high school, I think that spring, whenever we were about to go to college, was when Facebook opened up to everybody and you just had to have a college email.

Speaker 1 It was crazy that we were one of the first people on that platform. Yeah.
But what a game changer. Just, I mean, that thing changed.

Speaker 5 I remember waiting for my email.

Speaker 1 Everything.

Speaker 1 Everything. I mean, it changed everything.
It was just like. Just poking.
It was cool to be. Yeah, there was a lot of that.
There was a lot of reaching out.

Speaker 1 Poking people was the best. That was an insane start.
That was a hey, hey, hey, hey. You know, and then get my poke.
Being able to connect with people is sweet.

Speaker 1 You know, like I thought about if I had that in high school and I'd go to these soccer tournaments in like other states, like it would have been nice to be able to like, just be like, hey, nice seeing you this weekend instead of, hey, never see you again.

Speaker 1 Like that, that it did add, it did add like a nice connection to the world. Now, with that, obviously, there comes, you know,

Speaker 8 once it all came to the phone, when the iPhone came out, that's what things actually really changed, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just connecting to the world was something that wasn't possible back in the day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, everybody joined a couple of these platforms, which leads once again to if you're trying to launch a new platform, I respect what you're doing, but it's difficult.

Speaker 1 Like Blue Sky, even threads, you got Zuck funding that thing. And you got Instagram pushing that thing.
And And it's like, are you going to join threads? Sure, because everybody's on.

Speaker 1 Am I going to use it though? Probably not.

Speaker 1 Blue sky. This sounds like a great idea.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What is blue sky? What is it? It's threads for Twitter. Oh.
It's basically

Speaker 8 like, no, it's just tough to get traction. It's tough to get traction.

Speaker 4 Blue sky is a different Twitter.

Speaker 1 Sorry. It's a different Twitter.
It's like a more positive, you know, because X became a cesspool of political,

Speaker 1 you know, all that stuff. Which, if any platform gets good,

Speaker 1 and by good, I mean like, if any platform gets popular, it's going to get, you know, there's going to be shit in there. Just like the real world, there's going to be shit.

Speaker 1 But what I would like to say is, got to get through that shit. There's good in there, too.
Like being able to connect with anybody at any time.

Speaker 1 That is a fucking weapon that social media has that wasn't always around.

Speaker 2 We'll even add into already existing ones. Like, remember Fleets? Like, they added Fleets to Twitter, and that couldn't even last because it was like,

Speaker 2 hey, I'm not adding, you know, an Instagram-type story to my Twitter. That's not, I'll go to Instagram and do something like that.

Speaker 1 Reel's taking TikTok was interesting. True, Twitter trying to follow suit.
Everybody's trying to figure it out. You know, and we're just trying to have a good time.

Speaker 1 And this good time will continue on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, and TikTok Live. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
It might change their life. Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Tickets on sale for big night out at noon Eastern. I feel like I got a good plug in.
That's good. I feel like I got a good plug in.

Speaker 1 Has a lot of things happening around it and in it, and we are obviously going to discuss it all. That is AJ Hawk.
The talks at table is here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Great to see you, Ty.

Speaker 1 One half of the hammer. Time.
Cowboys ball cap tone is here. Nine-year NFL vet F1 Super fan, Darius J.
Butler is here. Good to see you.

Speaker 1 We had some news during the break. It is official Cooper Cup.
He's being released from the Los Angeles Rams. Now, they were thinking about maybe trading him.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Cooper Cup put out a tweet months ago, maybe at the Super Bowl, that the Rams had told him that they were going to be seeking a trade to get him off of the roster.

Speaker 1 He put out a tweet basically acknowledging that and thanking everybody in LA. Now, they will just release him instead of trading him.

Speaker 1 Now, is this because other teams didn't offer up their best trade package because they knew that he would probably have to be released? Is this because he's been hurt a couple times?

Speaker 1 We don't know, but what we do know is there's going to be numerous teams that are going to want Cooper Cup, a veteran wide receiver, to join their building, especially one who's known to do all the right things on and off the field when he's healthy.

Speaker 1 At Boston Conner, you want him in New England.

Speaker 1 I think you just, you went from six to midnight whenever you saw that the Rams were releasing him and maybe not have to give anything up to get him as a Patriot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think the only thing that Patriots fans right now are concerned about with this free agency so far is that they haven't added

Speaker 2 a savvy wide receiver vet for that room. And it feels like Cooper Cup is that perfect.
perfect guy. A lot of people, you know, will say Cooper Cup's washed.
I've seen that on the internet.

Speaker 2 I've seen seen he's old. He's really not.
I believe he's 32. Obviously, he's a Super Bowl champion.
He's a seasoned vet. He still performs when he's healthy.

Speaker 2 That's the big if, you know, similar to the Joey Bosa conversation. You know, when this guy's healthy, he's an absolute stud.
I think New England's not the only team.

Speaker 2 I think every team basically up here, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, even would want him in their building. The Colts would want him here.

Speaker 2 I just assumed that, you know, some of the places that he would go to would want to be those, you know, more top contenders.

Speaker 2 We mentioned the Chiefs yesterday as one one of those teams they obviously added uh or brought back rather marquise brown rashig rice coming off an injury but there are plenty of teams out there and it feels like every team who would need a wide receiver cooper cup's kind of on the top of that list right now uh especially now that he's been released and maybe it is kind of a lower number than expected cooper cup yeah i would assume especially if you're getting cut on this particular day uh there's already been a bunch of money that's already been sent out speaking of a lower number, especially at the wide receiver position, DeAndre Hopkins is signed with the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to D-Hop. Obviously, he goes over to the Chiefs for a year, has a little time in the Super Bowl.
Now he joins the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 There was a photo that was posted a few years back of Derrick Henry, Lamar, and D-Hop. And D-Hop posed the question, how many TDs would this trio total? Well, we're going to find out.

Speaker 1 And I know this isn't the D-Hop of like five years ago. And I know it isn't the Derrick Henry of like four years ago.
But Lamar is Lamar. D-Hop has a great opportunity here with the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 And Derrick Henry had like a full resurgence. Not that he was ever down, but last year he looked great.
I think we're going to find out what that question's answer is.

Speaker 1 And I'm excited to watch him continue to build over there in Baltimore.

Speaker 4 I love watching D-Hop play football. And I'm sure the Ravens fans probably split on this signing.
You know, I'm sure a lot of them are like saying just like what you were saying about Cup.

Speaker 4 You see a lot on in that D-Hop's wash, but he's a competitor. He's going to go out there and work and try to put his best foot forward on a contending team.

Speaker 4 So he'll be playing meaningful football again. So we'll see a ton of D-Hop next year.

Speaker 1 What is it, $5 million? $5 million for D-Hop up to six, potentially. Who knows what the incentives are in all of the contracts?

Speaker 1 Lamar Jackson gets another weapon, though, AJ, which I think is good news for Lamar and good news for the Ravens.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I don't know how, if you're like a Ravens fan, how you could be upset with this sign-ins D-Hop. It's not like you're paying them $45 million a year.

Speaker 8 It's one-year, $6 million deal with the Ravens. So, like, I think it's all upside when you think of this.

Speaker 8 So I am, Cooper Cup's definitely going to have to go to a contender, you know, that with a franchise quarterback. There's only a handful of teams I think he's even going to look at.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Sorry to derail that. I know Cooper was at the beginning of this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're talking about D-Hop right now. You know what? We're never going to get back to Cooper Cup, too.
So thank God you got that out right there. You know, that is a, I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 I'm just thinking of Cooper Cup, and I'm like, yeah, the dude's awesome still.

Speaker 1 So is D-Hop. Well, D-Hop did the same thing.
I think one to a contender, you know, like $5 million, $6 million. At this point in your career, you've already earned a lot of money.

Speaker 1 Let's try to get into some meaningful football games. You know, D-Hop got to do it last year.
Cooper Cup, obviously, has done it a lot with the Rams.

Speaker 5 It's like let's continue to do that as opposed to just maybe getting paid more and going into complete irrelevancy which is certainly possible yeah i mean i d hop still he's still going to be great in the red zone red zone which is is something the ravens are always look they're always in the red zone they always it's always something they need like i mean he didn't he had a great start with the chiefs and then there was a lull and then obviously you know in the garbage time of the super pool things went really well but i i mean d hop still d-hop

Speaker 1 are you worried over there in the afc north uh baltimore ravens loading up. Joey Burrow, obviously in Cincinnati.
Cleveland just brought in somebody that's been in your building.

Speaker 1 Paying Kenny Pickett, as well as keeping Miles Garrett. You guys got questions of quarterback.
You got a question with TJ Watt. Are the Pittsburgh Steelers going to be okay?

Speaker 1 Whenever D-Hop signs the Ravens, is your first thought, oh no, we're in trouble yet again.

Speaker 5 No, that was not my first thought.

Speaker 5 You're right. The Steelers have bigger problems

Speaker 5 on their roster. No, D-Hop does not scare me.
The Browns, KP beating them twice is my worst nightmare of all time.

Speaker 5 The Bengals, they don't play defense. No, I think Steelers are going to be fine.

Speaker 1 The Bengals, interesting. Nobody's really talks about it.
Jamar Chase obviously is due a shit ton of money. I think Ratport told us he's got nothing with time to figure that out.

Speaker 1 Like he'll just see they don't play until, you know, September or whatever. And it's like, okay, so we're doing that again.
Feels like we're going to go through that entire song and dance again.

Speaker 1 Then T. Higgins stuff obviously is very real.
And then on defensive side, Trey Hendrickson is allowed to search for a deal. It's like the Bengals have a lot of question marks.

Speaker 1 And Jamar Chase said, know your worth. Then add tax.
Tax them. Uh-oh.
Tax them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we ain't getting no hung discount. Okay, I know my worth.
And also, I know that this could have been done a year ago. So we're going to add a little tax.

Speaker 1 If that is something that he actually means, as opposed to just a bar that he thinks is very cool, that is going to be interesting for Duke Tobin to kind of deal with.

Speaker 1 The Bengals are in an interesting spot.

Speaker 2 Well, and we've seen time and time again, like, if you're going to do this stuff, and JJ just said it earlier, like, get it done early.

Speaker 2 Like, you don't want a cowboy situation where you just wait and wait and wait and wait and then the market just kind of balloons. Like he just won.
I mean, did he win the triple crown last year?

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. So like, guess what? You know, I mean, you could get this done now, or they can, you know, extend it a little bit.

Speaker 2 And then some other guy who's not as good with him because of what the market is like might end up getting a massive number.

Speaker 2 And then you're looking at like, oh, wow, we might have to end up giving, you know, Jamar Chase like $50 million.

Speaker 1 You kind of have to decide whether or not Jamar Chase is in your long-term plans right now. Like, hey, is Jamar Chase in our long-term plans? Yes.
Let's pay him then.

Speaker 1 If he's not in our long-term plans, I guess we can continue to do this shit, you know, the song and dance.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, what's the number that they're going to be willing to give up, you know, towards their salary cap to build a team? You know, not every team is going to want to spend

Speaker 1 35, 40, whatever the number is going to be on a wide receiver. So then what does that mean for the future for the Bengals? And then T.
I mean, there's a lot in Cincinnati to be figured out.

Speaker 1 And the way they do business is not in a way that's like, yeah, everybody's going to be happy at the end of this thing.

Speaker 2 Well, what's crazy too that Raphi mentioned is that he thinks that a deal could could get done with obviously Jamar, but T. Higgins as well.

Speaker 1 He kind of. Ideally.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he like, but Rapsheet snuck that in yesterday and didn't use the ideally. He was like, I think they get them both done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Duke Tobin said it to combine. Ideally, if we have both guys back, ideally, we are able to get a deal done.
And I guess Rap Report also says it, but

Speaker 1 that would be very anti-Bengals.

Speaker 4 He said it to 40 million, Mark, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that was before they gave Trey. The Duke Tobin, ideally, was before they gave Trey Hendrickson the okay to seek a trade.
So they were still trying to figure that out.

Speaker 2 This legitimately, I don't know if there's ever been a more like hey the Bengals need to draft five defensive starters in this year's draft or they're actually gonna give up 50 points a game because they're not gonna have any money to spend and that's what they did last year

Speaker 1 last year

Speaker 1 their defense they didn't draft them but their defense gave up a bunch with trade and they get rid of the sack king you know the sack kings yeah imagine if they don't have tray if you don't have 15 and a half sacks from trey also last year how bad is the defense yeah i i'm very the bangles are a fascinating 17 and a half i'm sorry trey yeah the bangles are a fascinating thing you know because they're fans obviously very passionate.

Speaker 1 And they've been to the Super Bowl, you know, in recent memory. And they got a quarterback who's an Ohio guy who can win.
And they got an explosive offense, seemingly with Zach Taylor.

Speaker 1 But they just don't look like a team that's going to win a Super Bowl. And it's like, I think they're all bummed out.

Speaker 1 You know, I think Lou Anaruma leaving there, coming here to Indianapolis is certainly something. Now there's a big shake-up on the defensive side.
It's like Bengals fans, I think, are very confused.

Speaker 1 And I would be as well. We got the guy.

Speaker 1 Why aren't we? And then you look across state lines. Ravens got Lamar and they're rebuilding.
Steelers always have a winning season somehow. I have no idea how that works.

Speaker 1 And then you look up to Cleveland. It's like, all right, at least we're in a better spot than Cleveland.
But you got a guy, a quarterback. You got a guy, a quarterback.

Speaker 1 And it's like, does anybody think, anybody talk about the Bengals winning the Super Bowl? Nope. No.
No. Not right now.
And it makes no sense because they got a quarterback.

Speaker 1 that could win a Super Bowl. And if they were able to block Aaron Donald on that last play, Joe Burrow finds Jamar Chase.
They score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 They might win the Super Bowl. Now, granted, the Rams might answer, but the Bengals might win that fucking Super Bowl.
And that's only a few years back.

Speaker 1 And now it's like, well, they're not going to be able to figure out all the problems. What a weird team to be a fan of, Aizu.
Like, legitimately, a weird fan.

Speaker 2 Duke Tobin, too, kind of like backed himself in the corner when he said a couple weeks ago, like, Jamar Chase is going to be the highest paid, you know, non-quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 2 And then you see what happens with Miles Garrett. And it's like, the longer you wait, like, you might end up having to pay this guy $10 million more than you anticipated when you initially said that.

Speaker 4 And like you said, with the guys that you know that you've identified are going to be a part of the long term, those are the guys you take care of early.

Speaker 4 Josh Allen getting a new deal with four years left. Saquon Barkley getting a new deal one year into his contract.
You know those guys are part of your next four or five years at least.

Speaker 4 Get it done early, or he's just going to cost you more and more money.

Speaker 1 As it goes.

Speaker 2 Well, and look what we've been talking about, like since the Eagles won the Super Bowl. Like, hey, you got to be able to run the football now and you got to be able to stop the run.

Speaker 2 Like, are the Bengals with T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow with no defense?

Speaker 2 Is that a team you would like, hey, in December when they got to go and play in cold Cincinnati or Cleveland or Baltimore or Pittsburgh?

Speaker 2 Like, is that a team that's built to win in those kind of environments? I don't know.

Speaker 1 That goes back to the convo. Nobody says Cincinnati Bangles are going to win the Super Bowl.
That's a shame.

Speaker 1 Because Joe's a guy.

Speaker 8 Yeah. You're right, though.

Speaker 8 You wait to pay guys when you're not, you're not, maybe you're 80% sure that he's part of your long-term plans or you're thinking, like, I want to see what, maybe, let's see how he responds after one season.

Speaker 8 If you can do it again, but with Jamar, there's absolutely no question. This guy, you want him a bangle for life.
So you're right. Like, you should have found a way to get this done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, the Brown family, though, this is, now, granted, they're in a new age. They got an indoor facility.
They sold the rights to the stadium for the first time within the last few years.

Speaker 1 So everybody's got to dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge their way through the modern era. Speaking of quarterback signing, big one in Washington.
Marcus Mariota, who's his back. Wow.

Speaker 4 Another domino.

Speaker 1 Another quarterback domino. Obviously, we still have some questions at some other places like the Giants and the Steelers and the Vikings.

Speaker 1 But Marcus Mariota is returning to the Washington Commanders on a one-year deal. Shout out Oce.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people forget what Marcus Mariota means to the University of Oregon and what he did in college.

Speaker 1 When we were out there and we got a chance to do the show from out there and you just walked through the Marcus Mariota hallway. Like this is actually the Marcus Mariota hallway.

Speaker 1 All of his titles, all of his records, all of his trophies, it was like, A, Oregon loves Marcus Mariota. B, this guy's one of the most accomplished football players in the history of college ball.

Speaker 1 And it's like, he's obviously beloved. He's been in the NFL a long time now.
We all remember him with the Titans and then whenever he's one of the Raiders.

Speaker 1 And now he's behind Jaden Daniels and the Washington Commanders and their full rebuild and transition from being a crap and a shite organization into a great one.

Speaker 1 It's like, this dude's got to be a great dude. Like it's got Marcus Mariota's got to be a great human.

Speaker 1 Not just saying he isn't a good football player, but like great human, I think, is the overwhelming convo about old Oos.

Speaker 8 Have you seen the when you popped up? I instantly thought of the mic'd-up clip when Derrick Henry ran into Marcus Mariota on the field after a game they were playing against each other.

Speaker 8 Like Derrick Henry like went and jumped on his back and was going great, like so excited to see each other. I'm like, oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 8 Like you, you get a glimpse into what kind of teammate Mariota is when you see stuff like that.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it didn't end well with the whole Tannehill situation in Tennessee, and Tannehill and the Titans would go on and have massive success very quickly after that.

Speaker 1 So I think Marcus Mariota kind of got cast aside, obviously. And I don't know if that's the first time he's ever had to deal with that in his life, but it was certainly loud.
Then he bounces around.

Speaker 1 Now he still has a home in Washington. I assume Cliff loves the nice veteran quarterback in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like even the quarterback series,

Speaker 2 the original one with Todd Mahomes.

Speaker 2 Mariota was one of those guys, Kirk Cousins in Minnesota, but Mariota was going through all that, you know, injury stuff, and they were following him the entire year. And it does feel like...

Speaker 1 They cut him on his birthday? No, like his kids, maybe his kid kid was being born.

Speaker 8 Yeah, like he went and got surgery, and they didn't know. It was a weird thing, especially to have cameras falling.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a crazy situation, but it felt like during that entire thing, he was never like a nuisance or like a negative guy.

Speaker 2 Like he seemed to still just be kind of one of those calm, cool, collected dudes.

Speaker 1 Chris Godwin returned to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers earlier this week.

Speaker 1 And Rap Report came on our show and said that he thinks that Godwin turned down like an extra 20 million potentially to remain with the Bucs. Here's he chatting on the insiders

Speaker 1 night.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I feel like it was like we were like really close.

Speaker 11 I think that when, you know, when it comes to a situation like that, like you have to, you have to really, really consider it.

Speaker 11 And me and Mariah, we had some

Speaker 11 really tough conversations, had some really tough conversations like with my agent.

Speaker 11 Because at the end of the day, right, we're trying to figure out like what's going to be best for our family.

Speaker 11 And again, like not everybody would make that decision. And like I'm not faulting anybody that would.

Speaker 11 But I think at the end of the day, like I was mentioning in the presser,

Speaker 11 I have to go based off of my gut. I have to go based off my intuition and what I feel like is going to be best for us in the long run.
And

Speaker 11 being here where we call home, where we feel the most comfortable, where we can raise our newborn son. I think all of those things are big factors for us

Speaker 5 in making this decision.

Speaker 1 People hate moving.

Speaker 1 People hate moving. Now, granted, Florida and everybody's assuming that it's New England, even though I don't think it was ever.

Speaker 2 The question was left out, but yeah,

Speaker 2 the reason he said we were really close was it was brought up about going to New England right at the beginning.

Speaker 1 Okay, so New England freezing cold. Obviously, you deal with weather.
You have to pick up and move up there. State income tax, obviously very real part of the conversation.

Speaker 1 Obviously, going to a question, you know, you don't know what you're getting into. What does day-to-day look like in Tampa? You know exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 He said, I don't hold it against anybody that would take the extra money to go somewhere else. But for us and our newborn son, we're staying here.
I love it. I love it out of Godwin.

Speaker 1 He's a buccaneer for life. And I assume Jason Light loves him as well, AJ.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I would assume when you hear that he turned down an extra 10 million or something that it was from a team that, a 20 million, that I was like, okay, well, what terrible team offered him a bunch of money to try to come to the quarterback?

Speaker 8 That's not the Patriots. That's not what I think of when I think of the Patriots.
They got Drake May and obviously are doing what they're doing.

Speaker 8 But yeah, I mean, just listening to Godwin speak right there, you could tell like, all right, this dude gets it. Like, this dude is a professional.
And yeah, the Bucs are lucky to have him.

Speaker 8 And I think it's awesome that he's staying there.

Speaker 1 And if you think about, you know, what Vrabel's entire thing has been like, we got opportunity and compensation.

Speaker 1 And I think he knew he was going to have to overpay for some people that he wanted in there.

Speaker 1 But if you think about who he's signing and how, like, Godwin is the culture guy that Vrabel is trying to get in there. Dog, complete dog.
Works his ass off. Be loved.

Speaker 1 It's like, that's a pro that you want in your building. So that's potentially why Vrabel was willing to pay so much.
Like, hey, you are what Milton, you're a guy that we want in here for sure.

Speaker 1 Godwin, you're a guy that we want in here for sure. Crazy that he turned down that type.
If it was 20 million, that is a lot of cash to play ball.

Speaker 1 But once again, maybe he just loves being down in Tampa.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we don't know how, you know, how that was spread out, what incentives, what per game bonuses, or whatever the language was in the deal.

Speaker 4 But for a receiver, obviously the money is great and very high on the priority list when you're a free agent. But for a receiver, that's one of the most dependent positions on the field.

Speaker 4 So you got to have a quarterback. You got to have a good play caller.
You got to have a good offensive line. Hopefully other good weapons around you.

Speaker 4 So that would have been a big risk for him football and production-wise going to New England. Obviously, Drake May is very, very talented, but we haven't seen what he is in this league.

Speaker 4 We know who Baker Mayfield is. We know what that offensive line is.
We saw Bucky Irving. He was unbelievable last year as a rookie.

Speaker 4 You still got Mike Evans, the Hall of Fame, on the other side of you. McMillan, who had a good rookie year.
Otten, who was a good... tight end.

Speaker 4 So whatever other weapons they add, that's a great situation for Chris Goblins to stay in.

Speaker 1 Heartbreaker for New England.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, definitely tough, but you do get it, you know, and I love Drake May, and I think he's going to be a Hall of Famer, but I feel like around the league, you don't know if, you know, the players think that.

Speaker 2 It's not as if, you know, Drake May went out and lit the world on fire. Like they still have the fourth overall pick.

Speaker 1 They won.

Speaker 2 I think Drake started for one of their wins. So it's not as if he's

Speaker 2 all of a sudden not.

Speaker 1 Not everybody's going to be a Hall of Famer either. Yes.
You know, that's kind of coming up in conversation in, you know, the Colts world with me.

Speaker 1 you know a lot of people just attacking me for pointing out things that are obvious red flags in my eyes as somebody you know especially at the quarterback position but i'm optimistic that it'll be able to change i'm optimistic that ar will be able to change but it's like a lot of these guys don't work out like that is just a fact of the matter like if you look at the percentages of guys that end up hitting and then guys that end up missing in the nfl draft especially at the quarterback position there's a lot of misses like that is just that is how it is It's a very difficult position.

Speaker 1 It requires all of you all the time because the people you're playing against, especially the ones that are good and great, they're doing that. So you have to do it in return.
It's not an easy thing.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I agree with what you're saying about Drake May. Like when I'm watching Drake, it's like he's got all the intangibles.
Seems like he's got what it takes to be a guy.

Speaker 1 But yeah, massive question mark probably for a lot of people. Like, I'm going to have to see it.
And Godwin at this stage, knows Baker can spin it. Yep.
Knows that that offense can make magic.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I'm going to stay in the warm. I'm going to pay no state income tax.
I'm going to stay at my house, my community, my school.

Speaker 1 And I know Baker and I are going to be able to be productive. I guess that's a whole nother added aspect of it, to your point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, nothing against Chris Godwin either. He's also played every single year of his career with Mike Evans.

Speaker 2 You know, like, I don't know if, obviously, Evans has been hurt, so he's been the number one guy during games.

Speaker 2 But going into a season for an entire season, if he's been a number one receiver for his entire career, it's kind of like the same thing with T. Higgins.
Like, T.

Speaker 2 Higgins, we all love, think he's a a number one receiver, but he's never been a number one receiver because he's been playing with Jamar Chase. So it's, you know, that question mark as well.

Speaker 2 And he's truly, he is set up better for success now with Tampa.

Speaker 2 Whereas even with Drake, you know, another thing not being talked about as much, like, hey, second year, second offensive coordinator, second offense, like has to go through.

Speaker 1 Second culture.

Speaker 2 Second culture. Yeah.
Has to go through that entire thing again. Now, I still feel great about Drake and the Patriots this year.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Especially with the new guys they're bringing in to kind kind of reset everything. But yeah, it just makes more sets for Chris Godwin staying home.

Speaker 1 David Carr on NFL Network, Debone reporting this in the group text,

Speaker 1 when he was asked which quarterback on a new team is best set up for success in 2025, a breakthrough year,

Speaker 1 he said Daniel Jones. Wow.

Speaker 1 Whoa, I love to hear it.

Speaker 1 I hope so. He's in for a good competition, training camp.
It's an easy choice. Open comp.
Is it?

Speaker 5 Yeah, Yeah, it's an easy choice.

Speaker 2 Until the Steelers sign their quarterback.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 5 No, it'll still be Dan Jones.

Speaker 1 What's going on with the Steelers? Are they signing the quarterback anytime or no?

Speaker 5 No, like I told you, it's not a full moon until Friday, so Aaron's moon rocks need to charge.

Speaker 2 I heard that.

Speaker 1 And then this way, you agreed.

Speaker 5 Thank you. You texted me and said, you're right.

Speaker 1 Actually, I just talked to Aaron.

Speaker 5 That's exactly what's happening. So no, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 1 AJ, how do you feel about it? Aaron has said nothing to me. I don't know about to you or to anybody, I would assume.
I assume he's not said anything.

Speaker 1 All these situations that have happened over the last, what, five, six years, we've done this with Aaron, there is always leaks from people.

Speaker 1 And then Aaron comes on this show and he goes, anything you hear is not coming from my team. Okay.
My team does not. This is not how this goes.
But every offseason, there is.

Speaker 1 Sources are telling us, sources are telling. There was a report today that he was coming on the show today, on our show today.
It was making its rounds around Pittsburgh with like actual media people.

Speaker 1 I was getting texts from people in Pittsburgh. Hey, heard today is a big one.
Sad that I'm missing it, but I'll catch the clip afterwards. What do you think he's going to say? And I'm like, who?

Speaker 1 I'm like, who are you? I'm like, I actually asking who, and they're like, isn't Aaron coming on your show today? I'm like, no.

Speaker 1 Who said it was being reported in Pittsburgh like he's coming on the show? He's making his decision, which even more so leads the Yensers going, I'm tired of waiting for this guy.

Speaker 1 Aaron never said he was coming on the show. We never said he was coming on this show.

Speaker 1 But the expectation, I guess, from some people is that he was going to come on this show today at the start of the new league year and make his decision on what he wants to do.

Speaker 1 Does he even want to play? I mean, there's like, there's so many levels to this, but the entire city of Pittsburgh is like, well, we're waiting. And he's like, okay,

Speaker 1 okay. I didn't know I had a shot clock on me from a city that I've never played in before, but also trying to see what the best is.

Speaker 1 So like it is, he's a fascinating cat, but this quarterback situation, like Giants, are they talking to Russ and Aaron? So if Aaron goes to Pittsburgh, does that mean Russ is going to the Giants?

Speaker 1 What about the Vikings? How come they haven't just come out and said, JJ's our guy, we're not looking at a veteran quarterback.

Speaker 1 And how come we haven't heard anything about the Vikings potentially trying to sign? This is us just all being like airing at the Vikings would be sweet. And we're not the only one.

Speaker 1 You're right, though.

Speaker 8 The Vikings, if they are, if that's the decision they're making, like, hey, JJ's our dude, they... They're going to have to eventually say that.
Like, why wouldn't they have said that by now?

Speaker 1 But once again, they don't have to do that. But that could be a hypothetical that people start reporting.

Speaker 1 Like, today's the day that Minnesota is going to come out and say that JJ's, even though Minnesota never said this, and they're probably not expecting to do it, that's kind of seemingly how this world works now.

Speaker 1 It's like Minnesota going to have to tell us who their quarterback is before he ever did that.

Speaker 1 Before the end of the day, it's like they never said that they're going to do that. Just like Aaron has never said he's going to do it.
Has Aaron even said he's going to fucking play again? I don't.

Speaker 8 Legitimately. He hasn't said anything.
He hasn't said anything, has he?

Speaker 1 You tell me.

Speaker 8 No, for real. Like, that's, I'm the one I say all the time.
Yeah, I think he's too good to not play. I think he will play.
But that's just me saying that.

Speaker 8 And as a fan of watching him play, and I want him to go to Pittsburgh, too, but I don't know anything. I don't know if he knows anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you want him to go to Pittsburgh, which I think is a, that is actual news.

Speaker 1 Like people in Pittsburgh should be like, AJ Hawk, who I don't want to put like a rating system on Aaron's friends because I don't know. There's eight.
Top eight.

Speaker 4 He's top eight.

Speaker 1 He is in Aaron's MySpace top eight for sure. Like that is no questions asked.
So that is what he wants.

Speaker 1 Aaron has heard the pleas via text messages from maybe some Yensers about potentially going there. But Aaron is also probably hearing shit from other places as well.

Speaker 1 And this is like a massive decision for Aaron Rodgers, Rodgers, you know, in his entire life. So I, uh, I am eager for him to make his decision.
I'll text him every morning. Let's go.

Speaker 1 That's literally what I text him. Or I'll send like the eyeballs because I know the eyeballs will get him, you know, because the eyeballs are like, oh, what do you know? He'll send and he'll go, what?

Speaker 1 And I'll go, well, let's go, dude. And then there's no response afterwards.
You know, there's no, no response. So I think everybody's kind of eagerly awaiting.

Speaker 1 But in Pittsburgh, it's a lot of like, this guy needs to fucking tell us whether or not he's come on. Okay.
We're about sick of it.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I assume the Giants, some Giants people are probably thinking the same thing. And then Vikings people, you listen to Dan Orlovsky talk about it.
He's like, wait, he doesn't. We don't.

Speaker 1 No way. Bad idea.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 8 Well, Russ. Russ wants him to do something as well, doesn't he?

Speaker 1 I assume Russ does. I assume a lot of these rookie quarterbacks are wondering what the

Speaker 1 draftable quarterbacks are certainly flustered about what's going to happen because, you know, where he goes matters. How about Kirk Cousins? You know?

Speaker 1 Like, Kirk Cousins, everybody's just, there's been different reports. There's no way they're going to keep Kirk Cousins, having Michael Pennix Jr.
be the quarterback, is what everybody says.

Speaker 1 You know, thinks. Then there was reports during the Calmbine.
Falcons are okay with paying Kirk Cousins 37 million bucks and have him be a backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 And it's like, is that real or is that not real? Come on. Haven't heard his name at all being talked about in this entire quarterback carousel, though, so maybe it is real.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like.

Speaker 4 Why wouldn't it be real? He's already guaranteed that money from the Falcons, right? Yeah. Yeah, and you drafted Pennix with the idea that if it doesn't work out with Kirk Cousins,

Speaker 4 he looked great for a run, and then

Speaker 4 he looked terrible before they benched him. So, I mean,

Speaker 4 Kirk wouldn't want to be a backup, of course. You only got a few years left, I would think, as a quarterback.
But yeah, unless a team is willing to give something up to get him in there,

Speaker 4 I can see him being a backup there in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 Dan Rolofsky said Kenny Pickett's going to be the starter in Cleveland. AJ, your thoughts? Didn't say definitely.
He said there's a chance Kenny Pickett's a starter, which there definitely is.

Speaker 1 There's definitely a chance Kenny Pickett's a starter in Cleveland. Didn't Didn't even think about that.
I was just like, all right, Kenny Pickett's going to be like the veteran backup now.

Speaker 1 That's going to be like his new role. And Orlovsky was like, who else? Yeah, there's no chance.
Who else is going to be there?

Speaker 4 No chance. 0% chance, Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 1 No, number two overall pick.

Speaker 4 0% chance.

Speaker 1 Number two overall pick, you know.

Speaker 2 And Schafter said they're taking a quarterback. And then you see what Mary Kay said about Shador.

Speaker 1 So maybe Kenny starts the season. Yeah.
First couple games. See how it goes.
Yep. See how it goes.
And then you bring in the rookie.

Speaker 1 Or do you drop the rookie in there and have Kenny Pickett be the veteran voice of reason and interesting for Kenny that he is now that guy though you know like in my first my thought whenever you trade there I'm like all right Kenny Pickett's getting brought in for some veteran you know leadership here to do a little and it's like not that long ago he was drafted to be the guy for the Pittsburgh Steelers and now in my head my first reaction is like good for Kenny Pickett doing this and uh yeah Dan Rolofsky mentioned he'd be a starter earlier today was the first time it crossed my mind that like oh Kenny Pickett might be the fucking starter for the Cleveland Browns that's real that is a very real situation you're saying no.

Speaker 4 That's just my opinion. I don't have any sources on this.
Just my, well, I guess that can't be used as a source.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, according to my sources,

Speaker 4 Kenny Pickett will not be the starter. It will go to rookie quarterback, and he will be the starter.

Speaker 1 According to source,

Speaker 1 says also known as My Thoughts, you know, because I've talked to a lot of people. So, do I count or not? I think I should count.

Speaker 4 Hey, Kenny's a great guy to have in that building. And, you know, Mariota just got signed.

Speaker 4 I just talked about Kirk Cousins being potentially potentially a backup because Michael Pennix, he doesn't have the cleanest bill of health either.

Speaker 4 So when you lose a quarterback, we all know how everything could just go downhill. You have no chance.
So yeah, I can see him being in the building.

Speaker 4 But if I'm Andrew Berry, you just gave obviously Miles 40.

Speaker 4 I don't know where they are health-wise or signing-wise with their offensive line, but if you have a decent offensive line with Stefanski, I think you put a rookie quarterback in there that you feel confident if you draft at that number two position.

Speaker 2 And we've talked about so many times how the backup quarterback position is the position that is going to get, you know, playing time at some point in the season because of how long the season is.

Speaker 2 Like, you, you get a Kirk Cousins type quarterback for two games, especially down the stretch where you need to win for like a playoff chance.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, you're going to be pretty pumped you held on to them and just ate that 37 million versus you know, the massive dead cap hit that I assume is contract.

Speaker 1 Let's go to hockey, shall we? Ovechkin Ovi is just nine goals away from breaking the great one Wayno's goal scoring record. He's going to do it this season.
This is insane.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it is insane because this was at one point thought of as untouchable, unthinkable. And here we are just nine goals away with a lot of hockey left to play.

Speaker 12 And he did it in a season in which he broke his leg and came back.

Speaker 12 So when you look at that, it's one of the all-time great achievements in.

Speaker 12 sports in general if he's able to pull this off which i think he will and then there's the conversation of uh if he does do this does he come back next season i think that all depends on how the capitals postseason goes.

Speaker 12 Right now, they're the best team record-wise in the NHL. So, they got a good shot at a Stanley Cup.

Speaker 12 Does Ovie break this record, maybe win a second cup and ride off into the sunset, or does he come back for more and chase more?

Speaker 1 What does Ovie Diesel want to do? What else is there to chase? If you already get the goal-scoring record, you want to be remembered as the greatest goal-scorer of all time.

Speaker 1 Well, he is certainly that, and that was not him scoring on that empty net rate.

Speaker 1 No, he passed it up so that that guy could get his first career hat-trick, which is unbelievable because we're talking about history. He could clap on that thing from the blue line.

Speaker 1 Which was also

Speaker 1 done. That would have been fucking sick if he would have done it.

Speaker 12 The big narrative on him early in his career was he's not a great teammate. He doesn't pass the puck.
He's selfish. All he wants to do is score.

Speaker 12 And then you see things like this as we evolve over time.

Speaker 1 Was that Russian? Was that the Russian? The KGB? Was that a Russian conversation? Could have been.

Speaker 1 Wasn't that kind of the thing about Russian players as a whole is they're a little standoffish, maybe. Obviously, the language different than ours.

Speaker 1 That was kind of the talk about Russian players as a whole. Yeah, there's a couple stereotypes like that.

Speaker 12 Like not as physical, you know, a little more flashy, don't like to play defense, just like to shoot.

Speaker 1 But then we see Gino, and he comes to the Pittsburgh Penguins, he's awesome. Teammates love him, everybody loves him.
His parents are beloved by the entire place. And Gino will fight you.

Speaker 1 And I think Ovie, he's been so awesome for so long. Watching his ass just fucking just, he's just waiting.
And then, as soon as that thing comes over, and it's just clap. And I think he has a kid now.

Speaker 1 I think I watched him and his kid hitting something

Speaker 1 in the driveway. It's like, what a weapon.
Nine away from breaking the all-time record. That's impressive.
Now, speaking of records, here's a man that has all of them.

Speaker 1 You want to just talk about the amount of

Speaker 1 success that an athlete could potentially have, both while playing and retired. This man's name is at the top of the goddamn list.
He is now teamed up with the wonderful company Beatbox.

Speaker 1 So I watched their shark tank last night to learn a little bit more. Three founders.

Speaker 1 It is a carton of wine type party punch, is kind of how it's described. And it has 11.1% alcohol in it.
Okay. It is a good time quick.
Well, there is now a Shaq-themed beat box.

Speaker 1 It is blueberry meeting lemonade in a flavor mashup so big it could only be inspired by this man. Ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 1 Shaquille La Nier.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Hold on.
We have some. Hold on.
We have some. In the fridge.
Yeah, we got some in the fridge. We got to cool them down.
You drink that cold, I assume, Shaq, right? It's delightful.

Speaker 7 That's what I do.

Speaker 1 First of all, you know the rules. Okay.

Speaker 7 Tank top only.

Speaker 1 You don't have to tank top on my talk to you, dude.

Speaker 1 Come on. Come on.

Speaker 7 What the hell's going on?

Speaker 5 He definitely forgot the rules.

Speaker 7 What the hell's going on?

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 He won't forget it, gay.

Speaker 7 The guy with the long hair, what's your name?

Speaker 1 Connor, Shaq. How are you?

Speaker 7 All right. The guy in the middle, what's your name?

Speaker 2 Ty. How you doing, Shaq?

Speaker 8 And the guy in the white shirt? Tony.

Speaker 1 Shaq.

Speaker 7 And then the brother, let me speak to you in the black night.

Speaker 1 What's up, my boy? What's your name? What's up, OTO Jerry?

Speaker 1 What's up, my boy? You good?

Speaker 7 And then there's AJ SexSymbol.com.

Speaker 7 Perfect face, perfect hair, perfect t-shirt.

Speaker 1 What's happening, biggest? What's happening?

Speaker 8 Hey, your shaq gummy. Shaq, your gummies are a big hit with all my.
I got four kids, and they all ask for the shaq gummies almost every day of my life.

Speaker 1 There he is.

Speaker 1 Tank top man. Uh-huh.

Speaker 7 Tank top man.

Speaker 7 There you go.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 6 Now,

Speaker 1 listen. I'm ready to talk about beatbox with 11%.1% alcohol inside of it.
This is the Shaq-inspired blueberry lemonade. 11.1% alcohol at a 2:30 in the afternoon on Wednesday, something.

Speaker 1 You know, this is certainly good.

Speaker 7 Are you trying to race?

Speaker 1 Hold on. Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, you gotta chug it. Yeah, I'm gonna race? I'm not

Speaker 1 going to hold up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right.

Speaker 7 Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Pat.

Speaker 1 Hold on, Pat.

Speaker 7 You're corporate, and I'm corporate. According to rules, you're not allowed to drink alcohol on these shows.

Speaker 1 Is that true?

Speaker 1 We're only on the internet right now. I think we're good.

Speaker 7 All right, so you sure?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we're good.

Speaker 7 Okay. All right, you ready?

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 1 Hold the phone.

Speaker 5 Did you

Speaker 1 get it?

Speaker 1 Has that one got some gimmick in it? This one's fresh out of the box. This one's brand new.

Speaker 7 All right, you know what? Let me get a new one out of the box.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying that? All right. There you go.

Speaker 4 Tried to do perfect.

Speaker 1 All right. This is the...

Speaker 7 Here's the box.

Speaker 2 Damn, that's good. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Here's the box.
Good delivery. Shaq, beat box.
Shaq's eyes flavor.

Speaker 1 I'm going to grab this. All right, let's do it.
Can't waste my daughter in a little bit. Come on.
You ready? Hey, Shaq, here's to you. Always trailblazing.
Always eyebrow raising.

Speaker 1 With the amount of money coming through that guy's brain is nothing short of captivating. Cheers to you, Shaq.
Appreciate you, man.

Speaker 7 You're set. Go,

Speaker 7 you lose.

Speaker 1 Hold on, hit that thing. Hit that.

Speaker 7 Are you not entertained?

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Hey, that was my first. That was my first beatbox as a whole, but also the first one of yours.
That is good. Which flavor you got? Yeah.
That is good.

Speaker 1 The blueberry lemonade, I believe, is the Shaq one. This one is the hard tea.
It was delightful.

Speaker 5 The LSU hard tea. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. Beatbox.
Yeah. Suck that.
Suck that beatbox down.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about it, Shaq. How did you get involved with the beatbox? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah you have to hey yo uh let's talk about beatbox how did you get involved with this and uh how excited are you for dj diesel the little beatbox out there having a good time some uh all summer long

Speaker 7 so you know i i do a lot of like 150 to 200 shows a year and one time i'll i saw these kids drinking this drink and i was actually thirsty and i tried it I was like, what the hell is this?

Speaker 7 And then I looked into the company and I saw that my good friend Mark Cuban was involved.

Speaker 7 I called him and said, hey, Mark, I'd like to meet with the people from Beat Box. And, you know, we talked about

Speaker 7 a partnership.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 7 I've always tried to get at the beginning of companies and to help them grow.

Speaker 7 Being a sports guy, I have the mentality of what can I do as a great player to help you win the championship. And, you know, you mentioned money earlier in your show.
For me, it's never about money.

Speaker 7 But it's just, it's about, no, not really, but it's just always about the opportunity. You know, a mentor of mine passed away yesterday, Julio Bridgman.

Speaker 7 And he was a great businessman. And I said yesterday on the show that I tried to emulate him because my father did a great job of teaching y'all the torture stories.

Speaker 7 And every time I would come in with a C, he was like, you know, an athlete lost 30 million. You know, like he would, he would always, you know, advocate education.

Speaker 7 And so, you know, this is just me continuing my father's legacy and just, you know, taking advantage of opportunities because you know, Pat, there's a lot of football players that you played with and played against that don't have anything.

Speaker 7 I know a lot of NBA players that don't have anything. So I'm glad that I have the opportunity.
And this just is just about being a businessman, helping the company grow.

Speaker 7 I wish my sister was here because I'm going to tell you guys a secret. I never know when I'm making a deal.
because I never want any deal to be monetary related.

Speaker 7 But even though I join a company, I invest, invest, I just want to help the company grow. And then at the end, whatever happens, happens.
But, you know, being the great competitors,

Speaker 7 being the great athletes that we are, we strive for number one. They showed me a chart yesterday and we were, you know, they were talking about how great they are.

Speaker 7 I was like, but we're not number one.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but we're going to, no, there is no, but. I want boom.
I want this company. I want their ass out of there.
Boom, boom. So for me, this is what it's all about.

Speaker 1 And I just want.

Speaker 1 So when you talk about trusting the process, you genuinely believe that. Like you're more so in the work and the grind.
And then we'll find out what we make at the end of that.

Speaker 1 I respect that a shit ton. Now, you have garnered a lot of capital through the trusting the process and your brand and the way you go about doing your business is seemingly spotless.

Speaker 1 I don't think I've ever seen you pick something that isn't a winner. Your gummies, I'm not like a sugar candy guy.
I'm a chocolate guy. I like chocolate candies.
You're Shack heads, gummies.

Speaker 1 We have them in the office. The sour ones are the best gummies I've ever tasted.
So like selecting that company to work with is a business skill that not everybody has. This shit tastes very good.

Speaker 1 And obviously, it does because Shaq is a part of it. It feels like you have a selection process and good taste in things that can have success.

Speaker 1 And I think they do the same exact thing with you on the return. Now, you talked about what was, what was his name? Guy passed away yesterday.

Speaker 1 I just found out he's a billionaire, I think, ex-basketball player, right? Ex-NBA guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like good business over there in the NBA world. A lot of good business people.

Speaker 7 I was having a conversation with my son the other day because, you know, I was, you know, my father used hard disciplinary tactics to motivate me, which worked for me.

Speaker 7 So my son, you know, tell them stories. So I was telling them that I use jealousy to motivate me.
You know, I work my ass off. And I don't really care about the list and all that, but

Speaker 7 about 10 years ago, the Forbes list came up of the richest retired athletes. And I knew I arrogantly said, shit, I got to be number one.
Oh, fucking shit.

Speaker 7 I know I'm number one. And when I saw it, it was Junior Bridgman number one.
I was like, who the hell is this guy? And then Michael and then Magic, and then Dave Bing, and then me.

Speaker 1 Five.

Speaker 7 So now I'm pissed. So now I'm pissed.
So instead of hating and doing that, now I just studied the guy. Junior Bridgman, I know that name.
Played for the Bucks. I'm like, damn, he did Wendy's.
Okay.

Speaker 7 Oh, I like chicken. I'm going to start big chicken.
You know, Dave Bean is, you know, doing stuff and steal. Jordan with the shoes, you know, I got my own shoes.

Speaker 7 And, you know, Magic is doing a lot of philanthropy work. So I take all that stuff and I just ramp it up even more.

Speaker 7 So, you know, I always tell people, it's okay to be jealous sometimes, but don't turn that jealousy into envy, turn it into motivation. I'm jealous of you, brother.
You got a hell of a show.

Speaker 7 I'm here talking to my cousin, my producer. I'm like, how can I get a show like that? We're studying everything you do, but you work a little too hard for me.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. You work your ass off, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I'm not doing that all day. Yeah,

Speaker 1 three hours in a day, obviously, a little different.

Speaker 1 Three hours?

Speaker 7 Oh, hell no. That's too long, Pat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could do it, though. You could do it.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing it. I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 1 The inside the NBA, I mean, we're stooges, so it feeds us. And I won't be doing this forever.
I look at guys like Rich Eisen and Dan Patrick, and I'm like, how, and Stephen A.

Speaker 1 even, like, how do you do this? for 30 years. I don't know how you continue the juice and the energy, but with that being said, I've seen you on TV and movies and everything since I'm a kid.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't want to age you, but you work your fucking ass off, which is why I think I have so much respect for you and for all the success that you have. Did you fucking age me?

Speaker 7 Yeah. When I'm a kid, not that fucking a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when I was fucking six years old, I remember watching you, you know, do your stuff.

Speaker 7 Can we put up a phone poll right now?

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 7 I want you to ask your viewers, which sexier, your arms or AJ's face?

Speaker 1 Put AJ's face back up there. Hold on, let me know.

Speaker 1 I can't tell. Yeah, let me get a good shot.
I can't tell. AJ's got a fresh cut for you too, Shaq.
He remembered the jawline was a...

Speaker 8 Don't be flexing too much. Yeah, well, I am.

Speaker 1 So do we take the photo? Do we take the photo?

Speaker 1 All right, good. It's done.

Speaker 1 Shaq,

Speaker 1 I watched that shark tank on this beatbox. Mark Cuban put a million down for 33% of the beatbox.
How far into the company is the beatbox right now?

Speaker 1 And what is next for you and them to kind of world domination with this thing?

Speaker 7 We just want to continue to grow. We just got on the phone call with Walt Martin and

Speaker 7 we're exciting getting ready to start a brand new partnership with them.

Speaker 7 It's just about growing, just about getting the word out. We dominate the festivals, want to continue to dominate festivals and then eventually take it worldwide.

Speaker 7 My views and strategies may be different from

Speaker 7 the founders, but any growth. is great growth to me.

Speaker 7 A lot of people want to go for numbers and do all this, but if we were better than we were yesterday,

Speaker 7 to me, that's success because I find the people being out.

Speaker 7 The reason why we created Shaq Commies is because I'm going to start pissing a lot of people off. And you know, you can't whip my ass up.
You know what you can do? Just bite my head off.

Speaker 7 If I upset you in any way, hey, I want you to just take these right here. And once they get some clothes up in your throat, you just take one of these and you watch it in there.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 Get a little bead box in you, and then go ahead. Hey, you can even rip me in half if you go, wow, how tough you are.
Rip my head in half. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 The Shaq Alicia gummies are delicious. That was very cool.

Speaker 1 Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 7 AJ, we do this every time. You just sit there, talk.

Speaker 1 No, he's coming. He's coming around the corner.
Oh, well. He's coming around.
I'm getting all this shit out of the way, Shaq. I'm getting all this shit out of the way.
This isn't shit.

Speaker 1 This isn't shit, but you get it.

Speaker 7 Yes, yes, I understand. Yes, I understand the language.

Speaker 1 Now, with that being said, go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Shaq, getting to basketball a little bit. What's your thoughts on this current NBA season, everything going on? There's always drama.

Speaker 8 People talking about too many threes being shot, all of this. How do you think the rest of this season goes, and who do you think actually finds a way to win this thing? You think Boston can repeat?

Speaker 8 You know, when I was a kid,

Speaker 7 the NBA, of course, you didn't have access to all the games, but the NBA always had certain storylines. So when I first started watching the game, it was about how innovative Dr.

Speaker 7 Jay was, how the style I was, and he had the best.

Speaker 7 Then after that, okay, here comes this Patrick Young guy and this David Robinson guy. Oh, don't forget about Magic and Bird.
And then when I started playing, it was all about Jordan and the Bulls.

Speaker 7 So to answer your question, we have some interesting storylines. Cleveland, can they overtake Boston? OKC, can they come out the West? Who's the MVP? Derek Roche.

Speaker 7 uh Giannis and uh a Dane, can they get it done? Uh, so, you know, it's a lot of, you know, the Lakers, you know, Charles Barkley said a couple weeks ago the team was terrible.

Speaker 7 Now they're in two, you know, Lupa. So we have a lot of interesting storylines.
As a fan, I do think there's too many threes. You know,

Speaker 7 the part that I hate about the game, Pat, imagine every football team running in the same place. How boring would you be? So like, you know, I've said this many times.

Speaker 7 Every team does the three dribble handoff, top of the key, pick and roll, switch. I would just hope that coaches will go back to being innovative.
You use what you have.

Speaker 7 Like Like Denver does a great job of, okay, we got the best big man in the league who can shoot and post up. Let's just do that.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 I think I don't know what the ratings are. Like I hear, you know, different rating on the league.
Like I wish there was like a ratings guy that we can go to and he would show us. But

Speaker 7 the games that we've been having with TNT have been very interesting. The game last night.
Indiana, the coach runs a 1987 Hoosier fucking play.

Speaker 1 Great show.

Speaker 7 Look, right here. And you got to know as a defensive guy,

Speaker 7 don't let Tyrese or Siakam get the ball. I would rather have a guy like Miles Turner shoot.
So they run this little football play. Pat, you would know what type of call that is.

Speaker 1 Hey, there's a ton of screen there, a little clear out. Yeah, brother.
Great play.

Speaker 7 That's right. Tyrese right here gets the ball.
A guy, you don't want to get the ball. He takes it.
He shoots it in rhythm. Fouled by Yannis and the three.
That was a great game.

Speaker 7 I'm sure people in Indiana saw that game and it was like they were having fun. So

Speaker 7 I'm up and down about the players and how they play. And that's because I'm critical because I expect greatness.

Speaker 7 As a kid, I saw greatness. I was able to obtain greatness.
So as a fan, that's what I want to see. You know, I can remember going in the Chicago Bulls arena and seeing like, oh,

Speaker 7 this is how fucking champions play. This is how fucking fans are supposed to treat you.

Speaker 7 You know, I can remember playing on teams where I miss a shot and a million people, boo, like Jordan misses a shot.

Speaker 1 like you still love you.

Speaker 7 I'm like, man, I'm like, man, can I get some of this love? And then, you know, one guy said, yeah, you can get some of that love when you start fucking winning.

Speaker 7 I gotta start winning. All right, I got you.

Speaker 1 Do you think that the modern greatness, though, because it looks different than the greatness of the past, is something that is going to be tough for the greatest big man of all time to buy in on, whether or not?

Speaker 1 Like Tyrese Alley Burton, obviously. Go ahead.

Speaker 7 My mother said a very simple term. They're not like you.
So sometimes I have to get out of my ways. But one way, well, one way I will not get out of is the formula.

Speaker 7 I know to be a great big man, got to average over 28 points. You got to average over 10 to 12 rebounds.
I know that. I will not change that.
How you get to 28, it's okay.

Speaker 7 Like last night, my good friend Adam Lefko was, oh,

Speaker 7 sorry, I'm going to say 20 points. And I didn't smile.
He's like, we're not happy. No, bro.
Anybody can get 20. Like, I expect greatness from a guy that.

Speaker 1 he just had 22 assists, though. I don't care.
No, no, no, no,

Speaker 1 he did triple-double. This guy, Zion had a fucking triple-double.
Yeah, that's what I heard. You said, I don't care, he can get more than that.
It's like, god damn.

Speaker 7 I remember one time I had 50 points and I missed like 12 free throws. And I came home, and everybody was, oh my god, great game.
And I'm looking at my father, and he's like, You should have had 60.

Speaker 7 I was like, huh? He's like, He's like, What the fuck do you mean, huh?

Speaker 1 50 plus plus or 62, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Always wanting more and expecting more, especially from our best in the world, is awesome.
You guys, though, you guys are like a team in the NBA.

Speaker 1 I think as regular fans, you count all the teams that are in the NBA. Well, most of them at least.
I haven't seen a lot of them play a single game this year, but most of them play.

Speaker 1 And then you guys inside the NBA are a team, like a representative of the league. You guys should be incredibly pumped about that.

Speaker 1 And obviously, Charles Barkley took a shot at Big Dome, Kendrick Perkins, and the ESPN, everything like that. And it was a magical moment, I think, for TV.
And obviously, that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 You guys are coming over to ESPN next year?

Speaker 1 Do I have that understood? And when that happens, what changes for you or what changes for the show?

Speaker 7 At the term coming to the ESPN is correct. I know they're releasing our show.

Speaker 1 Licensing. They're licensing you guys.

Speaker 7 Yes, they're licensing. So I don't know the legal ramifications.
I don't want to say the wrong thing here, but it's definitely good for TV.

Speaker 7 And one thing about us being athletes, I think you can say whatever you want as long as you say it respectfully.

Speaker 7 You know, I don't have a problem with people saying certain things and criticizing me. It's part of the job.
You know,

Speaker 7 before I get upset, I always say to myself, if there's some proof inside the criticism,

Speaker 7 You just got to take it. This is the nature of our business.

Speaker 7 Like, I remember one time I asked a person, say, hey, I come, i'm i'm not i'm not uh i'm not talked about when it comes to greatest players of all time they say because we couldn't go to you in the fourth quarter you miss a lot of freebooks now there's truth in that can't get mad so i have to accept it but yeah i would have got mad though if i was you i know but but the title but the title that i do own i am the most dominant big well one of the most dominant big men in history And, you know,

Speaker 7 I'm fine. So, you know, the thing with Kendrick and Charles, that's the same thing we were doing the court.

Speaker 7 So, you know, as long as those guys keep it WWE, you know, you got Charles talking about I walked through a graveyard with a whistle, and you got Kendrick talking about the 509.

Speaker 7 Y'all ain't gonna fight. If y'all gonna fight, I'm gonna be the fucking promoter, and we're gonna do it on fucking May 19th.

Speaker 7 If not, you talk, we talk, and let's just keep the shit going. Just keep having.

Speaker 1 All the smoke, I believe, is what Charles said. I won all the smoke whenever he started the entire thing.

Speaker 1 It was wonderful. That's why I think everybody loves your show.
Now, let's talk about some of the teams this year. More specifically, one of the teams that you mentioned out of the West.

Speaker 1 Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Shaq, you mentioned OKC earlier, and there's been kind of a narrative going around

Speaker 2 today, actually. I saw it on Twitter that, hey, you know, people in the NBA, they're not necessarily afraid of OKC or they don't respect them.
When you look at them, they maybe have the MVP this year.

Speaker 2 Do you think they're a team that can actually, you know, win a title this year? Or do you think they're still, because they're so young, a couple years out?

Speaker 7 I hate using this word, but if

Speaker 7 if they continue to play well and if this guy continues to shine like he's shining they definitely have a chance you know i i've always been an advocate of the others so jay will is gonna have to play you know all the guards gonna have to play the big guys heart and stain all those guys are gonna have to play well i think they can get it done but they have to get it done you know the reason why they're not getting respect because and listen it happens to a lot of you when you have bigger names and and premier players they're always going to get the first rights refusal refusal.

Speaker 7 Like LeBron's still here, so he's first. And then you got Boston.
They're the champs. They're second.
And then you got, you know, Luco going to the Lakers. Like, he's third.

Speaker 7 So, and, you know, Oklahoma City is fairly a very small market. And, you know, they're playing well, but they still have to get it done.

Speaker 7 But the fact that teams don't fear them means they're going to have to do things 100% correctly, at least four out of seven games.

Speaker 1 Well, is it last year SGA really came into the lexicon of the conversation, I think. And then this year he's just continued to go.
Are they young? What is the OKC model for those that don't?

Speaker 1 Are they young and they've kind of developed? Or are they free agent? And what do you think is the best in the NBA for team building, Shaq?

Speaker 7 First of all, Pat Matthew Keep A Smith. What the fuck is the lexicon?

Speaker 1 Don't be throwing a little fucking big. Man, right? Hey, that was pretty fucking good, brother.

Speaker 1 My addiction.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my addiction's pretty solid. Yeah, yeah.
No, in the zeitgeist.

Speaker 1 SGA came into the zeitgeist, you know.

Speaker 7 You know, I think they can get it done. You know, I will always tell people that the most valuable lesson, the most valuable lesson I learned was in my last year in Orlando when

Speaker 7 we beat the bulls

Speaker 7 the year before. They came back to slip us.
As I'm walking off the court, Michael Jordan says, before you succeed, you must first learn to fail. I'm like, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 7 But then when I got home, I was like, what the fuck did you say?

Speaker 7 Like, before you succeed, you must first learn to fail. But so that angered me.
So I always had to play. So, you know, hopefully

Speaker 7 that tough loss they had last year angered them. And it looked like it's angered them because they're playing well.
So hopefully they learn from that and can move on.

Speaker 7 But, you know, Joker is going to have something to say. Lakers going to have something to say.
If Golden State can get in, they're going to have something to say.

Speaker 1 It's completely. On that note, star power throughout the West Coast is very real.
D-Butt has a question for you.

Speaker 4 Speaking of Golden State, obviously Steph got a running mate now with Jimmy Butler, and they've been kind of hit the ground running since he came over there and a lot of people talk about you you don't give certain players their flowers and we talked about shooting too many threes and all these things.

Speaker 4 Steph Curry completely changed the game and I've been an advocate of him being in that GOAT conversation because of his impact on the game, what he's done.

Speaker 4 First Unanimous MVP, four chips in the Bron era. I saw you put him in that GOAT conversation too, and that means much more when it's coming from G14 classified Big Diesel.
Why did you say that?

Speaker 4 What do you think about Steph actually being in that GOAT conversation?

Speaker 7 Because if you're going to to have a conversation, I want to have a real conversation. Don't just put who you want to put in.

Speaker 7 If we're going to have a national worldwide conversation, who the GOAT is, I want all the recipients. That's all.

Speaker 7 For example, my guy's always going to be Mike.

Speaker 7 Before Mike, it was Dr. Jay.
But now we got Mike.

Speaker 7 I played with a guy that was a fucking killer. He helped me get three.
I don't have a problem saying that. I know I was the final MVP three times in a row, but without him, I hope you don't get three.

Speaker 7 You got to put his name. Then there's fucking LeBron.
You got to put his name.

Speaker 7 Now, there's a guy that is so fucking good. Every team plays like his team in the last five, six years.

Speaker 7 And there's never been a shooter like him. And he's winning championships.
How come his name is not in the conversation? Listen, we live in a world with 8 billion people.

Speaker 7 You're going to fucking pick who you want.

Speaker 7 I don't have a problem with you picking any of those names, but

Speaker 7 we're going to talk about who the greatest is. I want to hear everybody in the conversation.
Like, if we're going to talk about this on TV, don't just talk about your two people. Like, you know.

Speaker 7 And then from a big man side, what about fucking Kareemo Dujabar?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
A lot of what you know.

Speaker 7 I mean, like, I mean, like, we're going to have this conversation and put out tweets and put out fucking polls and put out an Instagram for recipients. And

Speaker 7 then you fucking pick.

Speaker 7 I don't really care who you pick.

Speaker 8 Jordan is my guy.

Speaker 7 You know, I don't care about anything else jordan is my guy that's my opinion and whoever i don't like it goes to the store and get some check and mission

Speaker 1 rip my face apart and chew me

Speaker 1 uh well i think if i was you and i went into chicago and i saw michael jordan miss some shots and get clapped i'd probably think this is the greatest guy of all time as well everybody has different experiences steph curry though you talk about changing basketball as a whole globally i mean you got seven footers now wemby coming in from france it's like three three three three three Every level.

Speaker 1 Yeah, every level. LA Fitness.

Speaker 7 And I think, and I don't say this disrespectfully, I think because he's not an exciting finisher, people kind of look.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the no look is kind of the only thing he's got. You're talking about...
No, no, no.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 imagine if he had fucking tremendous finishing power. Yeah, there would be no fucking, like his name, like, like right, like right now, he's just a shooter.

Speaker 7 Like, you know, all the other guys can shoot.

Speaker 1 Didn't he dunk? Fade away.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, I'm talking about no, not fucking dunk one. I'm talking about go through the land and just fucking

Speaker 7 that. So I think, you know, because he doesn't really finish like that, people overlook him.
But I'm not overlooking him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, we appreciate you doing that, especially with the platform you have and who you are. Last question, obviously, we know you're very busy.
Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Shaq, obviously, huge game tonight. Thunder Celtics.
How do you feel about that game? And then, you know, people are always saying, you know, this might be a finals preview.

Speaker 2 And you mentioned, you know, all the guys that, that, you know, Shay would have to go through in the West. How much of a difference is, you know, regular season ball to playoff basketball?

Speaker 2 Like, what is that level that everyone else goes to as the rounds progress?

Speaker 7 My answer to the first part of your question, starting a new show called I Don't Watch That Shit When I'm Not Working.com.

Speaker 7 I got shit to do.

Speaker 7 Hold on, hold on. Go to dinner, go on a fucking hot date date, or watch fucking Thunder in the Boston.
Rich and all that, go out on a hot date for a thousand bucket dollars.

Speaker 7 To answer your other question,

Speaker 7 you know, what I learned from the great Philip Jackson

Speaker 7 is you pace yourself. You know, if you have championship aspirations, you beat the team that you're supposed to beat.
You stay dominant at home, and you stay above 500 in a row.

Speaker 7 So where are they playing?

Speaker 2 Boston.

Speaker 7 Okay, so Boston being the championship team, they know they got to put this team away. So I expect Boston to win tonight.

Speaker 7 However, OKC wants to be fucking great, so they know in order to be the champ, you have to go through the champs. So, if I'm playing the champs, I'm letting them know that if we see you in the finals,

Speaker 7 this 40 I'm giving you now, next time it's going to be fucking 50. So, I hope it's a good game, and good luck to all the fans watching because I won't be fucking watching.

Speaker 1 Okay, hey, we'll send you an update. We'll send you an update.
We're going to house it.

Speaker 1 We're going to house some beat boxes tonight. Uh, the Shaquille flavor, the Shaq flavor is obviously incredible.
That tastes way too good to to be 11.1% alcohol.

Speaker 1 It is 11.1%.

Speaker 7 Listen, I want to say, I know we're having fun, but all the people that are drinking the V-Box, you know better. Don't fucking drink and die.
Drink responsibility.

Speaker 1 Amen. Especially Uber Lyft, everything that's capable nowadays.
There's no reason to get behind a wheel. We appreciate you, Shaq.
Keep killing it.

Speaker 7 Thank you. Thank you, AJsexyFace.com.
Thank you, Shaq.

Speaker 7 Appreciate you.

Speaker 1 All right. Ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 5 a bunch of websites.

Speaker 1 Yeah, A.J. Hawk is a good thing.

Speaker 8 He has so many websites, doesn't he?

Speaker 4 Now I know why you got the fresh cut, AJ.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it makes more sense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 For Shaq.

Speaker 8 He knew it was for Shaq.

Speaker 1 Just real quick, you wouldn't be able to stop him.

Speaker 1 You know that. Shaq.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd say so. I'd say that's right.
Yeah, you know. Yeah, I would not be able to stop anything.
You know that. How do you know?

Speaker 1 Just so I know.

Speaker 8 Thanks for reminding me.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 4 In the paint on the block?

Speaker 1 See? Foxy. Yeah, of course.
No, no. That's what he's talking about.
Yeah. No.

Speaker 2 Different way.

Speaker 4 Most dominant.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 The most dominant.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Shaq wouldn't.

Speaker 2 International ball is never going to work for Shaq.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 Not with Shaq, though. Well, we need one because he's an international.

Speaker 6 Man.

Speaker 5 Shaq. He bops.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was good, you know? And we can't call you a Grace Wall Time because we didn't give you the ball in four core because you couldn't make a free throw.

Speaker 1 He had to be so pissed when he heard that.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 How come I'm never in a conversation about Gray's Wall? I just fucking win. That's all I did.
Could we give you the ball at fourth?

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Yeah.
You couldn't make free throws. Hack a shack.
You ever heard of it? It's because of you.

Speaker 4 Change the game.

Speaker 1 All right, I guess there's a little truth in that. Fuck off.

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but to him, shooting a free throw is like us using a ping-pong ball to shoot a free throw, I feel like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. A lethal shooter.
That'd be tough. That's like a little papa shot.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm not great with those little balls.

Speaker 1 I don't know how people actually shoot them like a basketball. No backboard.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just got to find the spot on the backboard and just try to replicate. It's impossible.
It's not.

Speaker 1 It's definitely what I do. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I am an off-the-backboard guy.
I'll even underhand that thing. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 But there's people you'll see that are like actually

Speaker 1 recruiting it. I'm like, how are you? I don't know how you're.
I do that.

Speaker 5 You just have to be very weak.

Speaker 5 Low muscle tone. Stuff like that.

Speaker 1 Have you heard anything about the Pittsburgh Steels? No.

Speaker 1 Damn. I did house.
When's it have to happen?

Speaker 8 Like, when's the latest today?

Speaker 1 We're going to hear it.

Speaker 2 If it doesn't happen today, I'm out.

Speaker 5 If it doesn't happen today, I'm out on him. You can tell them that, too.

Speaker 2 How about what?

Speaker 1 I guess Sheffield is pissed off that it hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 5 Join the club, pal.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Yahoo Sports, Charles Robinson.
Yahoo Sports still exists. Coat.

Speaker 2 Charles Robinson still exists.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Charles Robinson, friend of the program.

Speaker 1 The Falcons are expected to keep quarterback Kirk Cousins through Sunday's deadline and pay him $10 million that he's due because there's another $10 million guaranteed that's due by March 17th or 16th or something like that.

Speaker 1 Staying, dude. So he's staying.

Speaker 5 I was looking at their roster just to, you know, just to see because it piqued my interest. They don't have another quarterback besides him and Penix.

Speaker 5 So if they were to cut him and let him go, they'd be in a real situation. And who perfect to, you know, kind of, you know, deal? Because we all know Kirk.
He's a great guy.

Speaker 5 He's going to help Michael Penix. And if Michael Pennix is on a rookie deal, they probably don't mind paying Kirk that money.

Speaker 5 So the only way that you potentially do that is if Kirk forces his way out, which Also doesn't seem like a guy who would do that, but we'll see.

Speaker 4 Does he have the no trade clause?

Speaker 1 So he can kind of pick where he goes or or no is that somebody joking not sure but we do know penix loves him penix talked about him last year about how you like looked up to him and everything yeah and i think kirk loves penix yeah i think is the way he talks about it so you know maybe kirk gets to the point where he's like all right this is my career now he does have a no trade clause he's got family down there he does too yeah his wife his wife's family is from there yeah and still he's making a ton of money doing nothing sucks it does suck that but doesn't feel too bad but yeah he knows where he where he's at but

Speaker 1 to accept the fact to accept the role of hey i'm a backup now that's got to be tough yeah you're I agree, but that is a conversation that a lot of quarterbacks have to have, you know, and I only know that because Matt Hasselbeck came to be the backup for Andrew Luck, and he was a starter the year before.

Speaker 1 And I had a chance to chat with him about how he had to like actually talk to his family and be like, if I take this, it's like me admitting, like, my starting days are kind of over.

Speaker 1 Like, now I'm just like the veteran backup. And I'm not saying Kirk Cousins is going to have to do that, but that is...

Speaker 1 a part of a career that people can get to if they want to or they can bow out of.

Speaker 1 To your point, I forgot completely about how great he was on tv oh yeah scott van pelt's mic muted couldn't talk anymore on set and kirk just took over the show and just started like directing and started like talking and got a promo and asked a question then scott gets a microphone back they're back he was great on television i mean and he said sometimes you know my son asks about patrick mahomes and i tell him it's hard that we don't even play the same sport you know we're playing like the the self-deprecating humor from kirk cousins he's obviously a nerd like we all very much understand that.

Speaker 1 He understands that as well. He has a great TV gig.
Oh, yeah. Son of away.

Speaker 1 We learned that too.

Speaker 2 You are going to command an audience.

Speaker 4 Great perspective, too, because he came and got drafted, you know, what, third round, third, fourth round? Yep. Came in, obviously, as a backup, same draft as RG3.

Speaker 4 And then he was at the point where he was one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league and now been a backup. And then he played in these offenses in KOC, coming from that McVay tree.

Speaker 4 He'll be able to talk about these quarterbacks and these offenses offenses for the next 10, 15, 20 years.

Speaker 4 So, I mean, Kirk probably won't be starting this year, probably, but he's got a great future ahead of him.

Speaker 4 I love Kirk.

Speaker 1 I love Kirk Cousins. I really do.
Big fan. Every time I talk to him, I'm like, I love this dude.

Speaker 1 Nerd.

Speaker 2 Another guy from the quarterbacks here. But understands it.
Like you said, very self-effacing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, love him. All right, let's get the hell out of here.
Big one tomorrow. Huge.
Huge. Because it's day one of the new league year.
Yeah, that's right. And it's also

Speaker 1 ticket release date for Big Night.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know how this is going to do. I think there's a chance.
I think it'll be all right.

Speaker 1 Legitimately, I don't know. There's a chance because I think it's like 10,000 tickets, 11,000.

Speaker 1 I don't know the exact number because we're blacking out some of the

Speaker 1 some of the sections because the way it's going to be set up, obviously, for giveaways and stuff.

Speaker 1 It's a fully immersive show.

Speaker 1 I will say

Speaker 1 there's a lot happening. The giveaways in the performances, we'll say, are obviously the key parts of it.
So setting up the arena and the seating is rather important.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be like $11,000, $10,000. And we said no ticket will be more than $100,

Speaker 1 the base price of the ticket. So I got a call this morning from...
Fees. Yeah, they're like, hey, there's, so we saw in your video, you said that there's no ticket will be worth more than $100.

Speaker 1 The base ticket price will be less than $100, but after the fees, it will go over $100 miles an hour or $100. I'm like, I feel okay.
I feel like I told the truth. We listed the tickets.

Speaker 1 Now, these fees are crazy, though. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 They are. But

Speaker 2 it's different if

Speaker 2 tickets were $700. You know, the fees on top of that push it well over $1,000.
Like $100,

Speaker 2 it's still manageable.

Speaker 5 It's like sales tax.

Speaker 1 $20 tickets will be available. I don't know how long those will be available.

Speaker 1 I think there's like a couple thousand of those. And then $95 will be the most expensive ticket that will be out there.
There's a $70 ticket I think that has the most.

Speaker 1 It's either 70 or 60. I forget what it is.
It's one of those in there that has the most available, but I'm very excited for this. It's going to be a,

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be a fucking amazing show. Like literally every day that passes.
And I'm a, I'm a pretty negative person. Okay.
I call our show terrible.

Speaker 1 I mean, I say our show stinks or whatever. Normally, I think everything's going to not be great, not, not be good enough for people's attention.

Speaker 1 You know, like, hey, people are spending their attention with us. People are spending their time with us.
We got to make it good. Sorry, our show stinks is literally my thought.

Speaker 1 And there's mornings where I come in here where I'm just standing in the shower just like, what the fuck? We are going to disrespect so many people today with what our show is about to be.

Speaker 1 I am so sorry about how bad it is. So I normally feel that way about everything.
I normally think like everything's going to be crap.

Speaker 1 We are lucky that if anybody watches anything and if the next day they decide to still be fans of us, we're in a good spot. That is legitimately my feeling towards things.
This one feels good.

Speaker 1 I don't know why. It feels good.
And I think it's because the amount of talent that are going to be on this show, it's like

Speaker 1 it's going to be a cool night. I think it's going to be a big night.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be a cool night. I think it's going to be a really cool night.
And obviously, giving over a million bucks in the arena will be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Changing some lives will be a lot of fun. And the people that are going to show up, the guests, I think people are going to be like,

Speaker 1 How the fuck

Speaker 1 did

Speaker 8 Billy Gardell? I did this.

Speaker 1 How the fuck did this guy put this thing together?

Speaker 1 Billy Gardell has not been reached out to you yet. You're right, though.
That is a

Speaker 1 show is fluid. Show is fluid.

Speaker 1 Come on, Gene. I'll do that.
I'm just one of you. Don't do that.
Don't do what you said. Pittsburgh.
Don't do what you just said. Don't do what you just said.

Speaker 4 Sorry, I'm not from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 Oh, you never seen Mike and Molly?

Speaker 1 He's a nationalist. What about

Speaker 1 Bob and Abashola?

Speaker 12 I invented Ozempic.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 okay, I know Ozempic.

Speaker 1 You know, hit the commercial then. He was fucking doing that

Speaker 1 cone drill. He was doing high knees with the sucking down a dog.

Speaker 1 That was, I mean, Billy. Hot dog.
Tilly the sprite.

Speaker 1 Excuse me.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 1 That's Billy Gardell.

Speaker 1 The one I grew up with. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Some DK Harbor. The one I grew up with, left.

Speaker 1 The one that is now, right. That is Billy Gardell.

Speaker 2 Right there. I know that.
Macho Man.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Kind of looks like Ellen.

Speaker 1 I have not reached out to Billy Gardell, but

Speaker 1 he was like, I look like Ellen the other day. Oh, really? Yeah, when I had my glasses on, I had a thing going on with my eye.

Speaker 1 So I put the glasses on, you know, to cover it up because I didn't know what was going on. That just disappeared.
I'm not going to get that checked. I'm just going to keep it moving.

Speaker 1 Good morning. Don't Google it either.
Hey, I'm not. Don't fuck that.
I have no idea. I'm just like, all right, something's happening with my eye.
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to put these glasses on to try to hide it a little bit. Okay, tomorrow, if it's the same thing, we're doing the same goddamn thing.
And I woke up the next day, didn't have it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, sweet, no more glasses.

Speaker 1 What happened? Didn't even, I asked that like one time. I was like, it feels like that was something, though.
And it's like, don't, you don't have to. Yeah, you got to get your eyeball removed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't have time.

Speaker 1 You don't have time. Stop it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 don't think. Just move, move, move.
So shout out to my eye. I don't know what

Speaker 1 work. Way to figure it out, dude.

Speaker 1 I think it is actually my dominant eye, too. Oh,

Speaker 1 left eye, dominant, right-hand guy. So, you know, I has a growing up shooter, right? You know, rifle, right, right.
Spot with two eyes, then lock in with one eye.

Speaker 1 And then it turns out that you do this game or the thumb game on which eyes, but I'm left eye dominant this entire time, so I should have been fucking.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 1 just.

Speaker 8 Would you rather be born blind or turn blind when you were 30?

Speaker 1 Born. Born blind.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I guess I wonder how they, if someone's born blind, how do they see things in their, like, how do they picture the world?

Speaker 1 Audio.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know they are, but like in their brain,

Speaker 8 do they have

Speaker 1 visions of something? Do they feel an audio?

Speaker 4 You don't have color, you don't have to.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying that whatever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like how do they say a goalpost and you've never seen a goalpost?

Speaker 8 What do they, how do they envision that?

Speaker 1 Did I tell you guys about my trip to Starbucks the other day? Did I tell you about this?

Speaker 5 On the show? You did.

Speaker 8 You glued your head to the table?

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 1 Good call. The Bucks? At Schultz's place?

Speaker 8 Or where?

Speaker 1 No, I didn't protest that. Protest.
No, I didn't protest.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, maybe it wasn't on the show.

Speaker 1 I went in there and got an Americana. Okay,

Speaker 1 we're doing some furniture shopping next door. And boy, I found out me not in there much better.
You know, I'm kind of bored. Sam was dialed in, though.

Speaker 1 You know, every piece, the whole thing, having a conversation. I love it.
She's great at it. I'm very appreciative of what she's done for our homes,

Speaker 1 everything. You know, she's great at it.
But for me, I get bored pretty quickly. I'm either laying on a couch or I'm going and looking at something we're never going to buy.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Starbucks Starbucks next door. So I was like, all right, I'm going to go get a Starbucks.
I'm going to go get a Starbucks.

Speaker 1 So I go into Starbucks and the lady that's working in Starbucks, she has this thing drilled into her head with like an AirPod on the end of it. And it's on her left side.

Speaker 1 And she's cash register is to,

Speaker 1 I'm this way. So she's like, here.
So I see it, you know, and she was incredibly polite. kind, nice, jovial.
And I just can't help myself. I'm like, excuse me, I obviously see

Speaker 1 what's behind your ear there what is that so she lost hearing in her left ear because of a virus like 15 or 20 years ago or something like that and they had this device that they drilled into like a bone cochlear implant a cochlear implant yeah boom and then she had this thing on it and i was like how's it work she's like good yeah it just sends it over i'm like genius isn't technology isn't technology just like amazing i told her and she's like yeah i love it i have to change it out every two years you know there's like an update on it or whatever and once you get past just like looking at something sticking out of somebody's it's small but it's definitely sticking out of a head like at my life obviously and i've i can hear now on this side of my face in my head and yada yada and i said technology is the greatest she said the best thing that i saw guy came in here with a seeing cane uh uh like a cane and he got his phone out and she was like do you want me to tell you any uh stuff that we have like two cookies or whatever and he goes no no i'm good he had a phone that was directly attached to i don't know something he had like a bluetooth maybe implant or something and he was just reading everything that was in front of him so like it was like chocolate chip cookie there's three of them there's a blueberry muffin there's two of them so he was like literally getting a play-by-play from his phone into his ear about what was happening in front of him and uh it's like could you imagine not having that like if you're a blind person not having that it's like so they've uh i think technology has tried its best what was the thing elon was creating neural neural blank

Speaker 1 yeah that's that's wild it'll get there i hope so i hope we get to a point where technology is able to take care of that.

Speaker 1 Because your question there, she lost hearing 15 years ago, 20 years ago in that year, but I couldn't imagine just losing it completely, you know, at a certain age or losing vision at a certain age.

Speaker 1 I guess you have memories, which is good, but then are you automatically reminded that you can't see them anymore? Probably, you know, every single time. So that's a tough, that's a tough thing.

Speaker 1 I'm happy technology is taking care of that. But that thing in that lady's head was really cool.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, because you can hear, that's why the headphones that don't go in the ear, that just kind of sit on your jawbone they kind of rattle through your bones and you can kind of hear it it's like it's impressive what we're able to accomplish but that lady had to get that drilled in there i think i was like looking at it worth it it sounds like it hurts so bad yeah i think so

Speaker 1 she says it shoots over to the other ear so you can hear it in there whatever the case i'm not tough enough to get that thing drilled in there i hope i don't lose my vision I got LASIK

Speaker 1 and there's some things where I'm doing this now and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna have to get LASIK again. And I'm not gonna to do it.
They fucking tape your eyes open.

Speaker 8 It's easy now. It's a lot easier now, isn't it?

Speaker 1 They fucking tape your eyes open. Tape your eyes open.
Then a laser comes in. Have you done it?

Speaker 8 No, but I watched my wife get it done like 15 years ago.

Speaker 1 That's when I got it done. How long does it last?

Speaker 5 Typically.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 20, 30 years, I thought. Yeah, 15, 20, 30, or whatever it is.
Yeah, but I got it done mid

Speaker 1 off-season. I got it done.
But they tape your fucking eye open, and then a laser comes in. You don't see anything.
You lose complete vision. He's black.

Speaker 2 That's why I'll never do it. And they're like, it just scares the shit out of me.
That's really scary.

Speaker 1 They do it one at a time. So then they're like, let us know whenever you see the blinking light again.
And then you don't see it. And they're like, let us know when you see the blinking light.

Speaker 1 And after the fourth time, they ask you, you're like, am I supposed to? Yeah, oh, shit. Is this over or whatever? And then all of a sudden you see the, and it's like, oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, I could see it. They're like, okay, good.
And then they do the cleanup and then that whole thing. And then they do the next eye.
They're like, all right, we're going to do the other eye.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh,

Speaker 1 let us know whenever you see the blinking light.

Speaker 1 Let us know whenever you see the blinking light. I say the fuck.
Am I blind in one eye already? And then the light comes back. It's like, thank God.
Next morning, though,

Speaker 1 2010, the whole world. Definitely worth it.
Definitely worth it. I mean, you could go blind, I guess, but definitely worth it.

Speaker 2 Would you just get prescription glasses, though?

Speaker 1 I had to wear prescription glasses because I had contacts in for like 10 years straight, never took them out.

Speaker 2 Because you already wear the glasses sometimes.

Speaker 1 Those are blue light glasses.

Speaker 2 i know but that's what i'm saying so like that that whole thing

Speaker 1 doesn't bother you but when you wear blue light glasses you know like here is good but all the way out here yeah yeah bad the bad like the you you if these are actual prescription glasses you can't see like out here is where it sucks right you know so like i had bad eyes bad bad bad eyes i had contacts in though i never took out it it's amazing what the world looks like whenever you can actually see for sure it is it is pretty crazy what the world looks like

Speaker 1 and lasick was able to do that for me yeah foxy needs it. Yeah, I've looked into it.
I didn't know that I didn't have to miss a day of work to get this done.

Speaker 1 I could do it Friday after the show and then be good to go. So I'm actually going to do this.
Yeah, and getting it done the latest you possibly can on a day is the right play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and every single person I've talked to that has gotten it done said it's the greatest thing they've done in their life. Next morning, you're seeing 2010.
Yeah. Literally the next morning.

Speaker 1 Because if you get the last one, you're not allowed to drive home or whatever. You get the last one done.
You just take an ambient immediately afterwards. Then you just sleep.

Speaker 1 You wake up at like fucking 3 a.m.

Speaker 1 or whatever, you know because your sleep schedule is kind of fucked but whenever you wake up you have to wear glasses I think the next day they got those wraparound boys that you got to wear the solar eclipse

Speaker 1 yeah yeah those ones you got to wear but like you can just see everything so I think the way I got it done I think I got a 430 or five o'clock appointment had it done took an ambient woke up like 3 a.m.

Speaker 1 and I was like

Speaker 1 holy fuck this is a pretty nice house I'm living in that's what I'm gonna do I couldn't see this I went into the indoor facility like two days later for the Colts.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, wow, I haven't been able to see the roof. It's just nice.
Yeah, because

Speaker 1 you do? Because all the lights, you know, yeah, exactly. Because all the lights are blurry.
So they just cover up, you know, because whenever lights pop up, if you have bad eyes, it's just a big.

Speaker 1 So, like, the roof of the Colts facilities, the first time I saw it, I'm like, this is a pretty nice fucking place or whatever. They're like, yeah, we didn't change it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, yeah, I know, but I'm. This is my first time seeing it.

Speaker 1 Well, what have you been playing with? I'm like, yeah, not good. I've been pretty blind.
Someone told me the procedure took three minutes total and you were done an hour.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it feels like an hour. Whenever there's

Speaker 1 no vision in your eye, because they go one eye at a time. So when you can't see anything on your right eye, it's that's sketchy.

Speaker 4 That's sketchy feeling. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 Your whole job is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And so what happened was I lost my right contact mid-game.

Speaker 1 Didn't have any backup contacts because I've been wearing these contacts for fucking 10 years, five years or whatever.

Speaker 1 So I was, I literally had no, and this is, yeah, and I got adam venteri here so it's like

Speaker 1 listen i can fuck up for me here but this guy is he's a fucking other eye buddy put it down bingo that's well that's kind of what i did i kind of did a now that i know that my left eye dominant i did do like a one eye thing and the snap came at me for a punt and it was a i'm like i need to get these eyes fixed and then i had to go more context i didn't even have more context but i would recommend it i would recommend it i'm gonna get it done for sure Hopefully soon.

Speaker 1 It's sketchy though. I know this one.
Yeah, I don't know. Taping your eye open is a wild scene.

Speaker 8 When did they first start doing LASIC? Like, who was volunteering to be the test dummies?

Speaker 1 So when they

Speaker 1 got rats,

Speaker 1 Helen Keller would have got it, hopefully. I don't know how that works.

Speaker 2 That's how she got blind.

Speaker 1 But I don't think that's true. I don't know how Helen learned it.
You know?

Speaker 1 I don't know how Helen Keller learned. Pete, is any of that real?

Speaker 2 There's some Helen Keller conspiracy theories. I don't believe in them, but there are some.

Speaker 1 1989 was the first ever LASIC. Adam Schefter has reported it is now official that the Jets are releasing Aaron Rodgers.
What? Okay, big news.

Speaker 1 The Jets will take on $49 million in dead cap money on releasing Rodgers.

Speaker 1 He's being designated as a post-June 1 cup, meaning they'll carry his $21 million cap hip until June 1st, when it drops to $14 million, saving $7 million.

Speaker 1 But they then will absorb a $35 million dead cap. Okay.

Speaker 1 A lot of mumbo jumbo. A lot of mumbo jumbo, but yes, the jets are officially releasing Aaron Rodgers.
He will be a free agent, and now we sit and wait.

Speaker 1 I saw Schefter was on a podcast, and he said he's tired of waiting of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 5 Bruce sent that into the group chat. I thought it was actual breaking news because Aaron's picture popped up with Schefter's name.

Speaker 1 Bruce, I appreciate you, buddy. Thank you for keeping us updated up back there.

Speaker 2 That's on me.

Speaker 1 Could be a giant. Yeah, it could be.
Maybe.

Speaker 4 If he wants to, but why would he?

Speaker 1 Peace. Good point.
That is good. Doesn't want to move.

Speaker 4 Everybody hates moving.

Speaker 1 Everybody hates moving. God would hit it by 20 mil.

Speaker 5 He could wake up tomorrow and see the ocean's blue and be like, giants.

Speaker 1 Scott. That's not how it works.
You keep falling. You keep doing shit like that.
You're not going, bro. You're going to end up with fucking Mason Rudolph as your quarterback.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 If that's how Time is a flat circle works, then that's where we'll be.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You're listening to Coach Diggs too much.

Speaker 1 You need to stop reading Coach Diggs.

Speaker 5 I refuse to talk to him about any of it.

Speaker 1 You need to stop reading Coach Diggs' text. He said he's not watching the Steelers.
They bring in Aaron Rodgers one. He's our old guys.

Speaker 8 I heard. I mean, I know it probably won't happen, but if Coach Diggs came on the show one time, I'd be very happy.

Speaker 1 We can definitely make that happen. And certainly if we're giving him front row,

Speaker 8 he needs to go coaching gear, though. He needs to be coaching gear, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Dog.
We know.

Speaker 2 That's the only gear he has. Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 We'll play bocce.

Speaker 8 We played bocce with him.

Speaker 1 We should go do a show live from his next bocce match.

Speaker 1 When do you guys take on the pepperones?

Speaker 1 When do you guys take on the pepperones?

Speaker 5 Logist Tim's coming on the show, too. I think.

Speaker 1 Let's do it. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Tim is just holding down to Ford here. I don't think he'll be at the Pepperones match either.
So I'll be a whole different animal.

Speaker 1 I was live at a bocce match. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight's a big one.
Cool.

Speaker 1 Better than tire wrestling.

Speaker 1 That was ESPN news. Speaking of, we have pitched a couple of specials to be on ESPN too.
I hope that happens.

Speaker 1 We are dabbling into the creating new content world, you know?

Speaker 1 So we would like a couple of specials to be allowed on ESPN too. Okay.
And we'll see how those are received. Yeah.
I'm excited. I'm excited for us to explore the space

Speaker 1 of counter programming. I'm excited for us to kind of explore that entire thing.
I'm very, very pumped up about that. But we will.

Speaker 1 We certainly will.

Speaker 1 All right, tickets tomorrow. Noon.
Okay?

Speaker 1 Noon.

Speaker 1 I am scared that because of the price of these things, only going to be able to buy four Max. Okay.
Only gonna be able to buy four Max. Smart.

Speaker 1 It's Wednesday, April 9th, is the show, so I know that's tough for some people. I saw some messages from people saying, I work on Thursday.
I thought you were for the working man.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 All right. I work on Thursday too, Bub.
Okay. How about?

Speaker 1 But with that being said, the reason why it's Wednesday is so that we can add on to the Axe kind of tour because everybody kind of works Thursday through Saturday.

Speaker 1 And if you want to think about the people that are doing those types of gigs, those are the people that'll be there on a Wednesday night.

Speaker 1 So any of those other days would have been tough to kind of get in there, especially in the spring whenever a lot of people are on the move.

Speaker 1 So I apologize for it being on Wednesday night, but also has to be. on a Wednesday night.
And it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a good night. Hell yeah.
It's going to be a a good show. People are going to say,

Speaker 1 why isn't this show happened before?

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 it's going to go great. All right, be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
It might change your life. We're going to stay together.
Team on me. Team on three.
Hey, Debush, great work this week.

Speaker 1 Hey, you too, bro.

Speaker 1 One, two, three, three. Good night.

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