PMS 2.0 1305 - Free Agency Frenzy Tuesday, Ian Rapoport, Rich Paul, AQ Shipley

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble of the Boat, the Thunderdome, on this big offseason Tuesday, March 11th, 2025. This program starts now.
Football! It's alive and well, and obviously we'll dive into all that because there is colossal news in the great state of Indiana. But before we get to all of that, I'd like to make an announcement.

This morning, I released a video

that Foxy pieced together

stating the facts of Big Night.

It'll be Wednesday, April 9th

at PPG Paints Arena.

Tickets will go on sale this Thursday,

March 13th at noon Eastern.

There will be not a single ticket for sale

that's over $100.

The cheapest ticket to get in will be $20.

We're going to try to pack that place out

and have a magical evening

I'm not saying. eastern there will be not a single ticket for sale that's over a hundred dollars the cheapest ticket to get in will be 20 bucks we're gonna try to pack that place out and have a magical evening that is unprecedented incomparable and to be clear i don't know if there's anything that'll ever be able to compare the amount of people that'll be making surprise appearances is going to be like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa there's going to be over $1 million given away in the arena that evening.
It should be a fun night, a celebration of life, and hopefully we'll bring people together as society enjoys the greats from around the globe enjoying a night in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Big laughs, big sing-alongs, massive giveaways, a big night.
And we thank you all so much for even allowing this to be a possibility. The fact that you watch the show is the reason why things like this happen.
The boys will obviously be a part of the show, but it will not be this particular program. It'll be at 8 p.m.
on Wednesday, April 9th. We expect it to run about, you know, two hours or so.
And the surprises are in abundance. The show has come together nicely.
And I'll be partnering with the WWE, who will be doing the in-arena production, the staging, the lighting, the cameras, you name it. It's going to be a spectacle, and it should be an absolute blast.
Wednesday, April 9th, tickets go on sale Thursday, March 13th, just two days from now, at noon Eastern, and $20 to get in, no ticket more than $100. 100 bucks we shall see you there now this particular big off season tuesday march 11 2025 had some big news early cjgj has been traded from the philadelphia eagles to houston texans in return getting a guard back and a pick swap in the fifth and sixth round and obviously yesterday massive news laramie tunzel was traded away from the houston texans to the wasers.
And there's been other moves that have been made since we've last been live. But ladies and gentlemen, the big one is we got them.
The Indianapolis Goats have signed their quarterback not only of next year, but of the future. He's from Duke.
He's a freak athlete. And he's ready to lead a team to success for the first time, long time.
Sometimes you've got to run into a few walls before you get to the championship title. Sometimes you've got to slay a few dragons before you get to the princess.
Sometimes you've got to be on the Giants, then on the Vikings, and then you find yourself in Indianapolis. Ladies and gentlemen, Danny Dimes, Indiana Jones, has signed with the Indianapolis Colts on a one-year, $14 million deal.
And look out, AFC South. Look out, AFC.
We got our guy. Now, there is a clip circulating, and I don't love this, from 2023 when I was talking about the Daniel Jones-Shane Steichen partnership and how magical it could be.
It could be something special. What Shane Steichen was able to do with Jalen Hurts now, obviously,

Jalen Hurts is now a Super Bowl champion.

And Jalen Hurts is making $51 million a year.

And Jalen Hurts has never been cut.

Actually, others have been cut.

Kenny Pickett actually sent to the Cleveland Browns yesterday.

He was his backup quarterback.

DTR now comes into Philadelphia to backup Jalen.

So Jalen has never had the situation that Daniel Jones has had.

But if you look at the body, look at the legs on Daniel Jones. Look at the upper body on Daniel Jones.
Look at the running ability of Daniel Jones. And obviously, he can spin it with some slants, and he can hit whenever he has to.
Now, will he be able to make the right decision all the time? We shall see. He's a Duke guy.
Should have a high IQ. But he and Shane Steichen with Pittman and the boys.
Hello. Goodbye to the bad times.
Hello to the great times. Daniel Jones is now quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts.
And I'll tell you what, I'm pumped up. Way to go, Ballard.
Ballard's in the bag. He's been making a lot of moves.
Nine-year NFL vet. Former Indianapolis Colt.
Host of Everything DB. Good D, bad D.
Darius J. Butler is here.
D-Butts, you and me both saying the same thing we got our guy 14 million one year daniel jones steal not a lot of money in the quarterback room and if this guy can come waltzing in here if indiana jones can solve the mystery of how the hell to make this colts team a professional team again and make them a good football team i'm all the way in in. Welcome to town, Danny.
And I know you feel the same exact way, Darren. I wouldn't go that far, unfortunately.
You mentioned everything, DB. Darren Jones has made a few appearances.
What? On there on both sides. You know, he's made some plays, but he's given up some as well.
But we always talk about it on this show, the Sam Darners of the world, the Baker Mayfields, the Genos. He can kind of hit that trajectory as well, getting here with Shane Steichen and figuring it out and hopefully turning that corner in his career.
Chris Ballard talked about it at the Combine. He's going to bring in a guy to compete with Anthony Richardson, and this is what this is.
$14 million. That's a lot of money.
You expect this guy to have a real chance to get out there and start. Ah, yeah.
I saw Dan O say, hey, does AR ask for a trade? No. Should.
What? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Fresh start.
Fresh start, new building. He doesn't ask for a trade.
Massive upside. If you're one of the other 31 teams, and, you know, Kevin O'Connell comes over to AR immediately after the game and says, you're a great football player.
You're everything. True.
Hey, don't think about it. You know, especially with, you know, Daniel Jones coming here now.
And Tom Pellicero is reporting that J.J. McCarthy in line to be the starter for the Minnesota Vikings.
So congrats to J.J. Excited to see him do his thing with J.J.
and Addison and Hawk and Aaron Jones and Kevin O'Connell. But I think if you're one of the 31 teams, remember what you thought about Anthony Richardson.
A lot of upside. Guy's got a ton of potential.
It's going to cost you, okay? We don't just got for number four overall pick for just a sixth or seventh round or no obviously going to put value on this man because that is the ability but you know maybe he does ask for a trade and maybe a fresh new start somewhere else is what anthony richardson needs and uh you know what if if that's the case if he does look to go somewhere else we will appreciate the hell out of his time in this city and uh we will be thankful that we were able to be like grade school for him to learn how to play football and be a football player and be a professional and everything like

that and i think he would have massive success somewhere else i mean look he's got to learn how

to be a pro for sure and you know coast nation's torn on anthony richard and coast nation has kind

of been we've been on a qb carousel about him, though, they probably wouldn't be torn.

We've been on a QB carousel since Andrew Luck retired.

You know, you're going from Peyton and the great years of Peyton.

Andrew Luck had a good run.

And then since then, it's been that cycle.

It's been Phillip Rivers.

It's been Carson Wentz.

It's been this guy.

It's been that guy.

So, do we look at this as a long-term answer?

No.

What?

He's 27?

There's a chance.

He's 27 years old. There is a chance.
At least 10 years. There is a chance.
Guys are playing in their 40s. Exactly.
We made some great moves on defense. Forget the difference.
Great moves on defense. We will get into great moves on defense.
Shout out Mooney coming to town. Hell yeah, all pro Mooney.
The prize possession at corner. Where's he coming? Indianapolis.
Kevin O'Connell was over there salivating every day sorry about it he's coming to indianapolis i mean we we made some plays let's go to the talks table at boston connor and uh bruce brown sitting in once again for ty please send all your love to ty and his family we uh can't wait to see you soon ty con man the new england patriots had a great free agency start we will get into that for sure but when you talk about the Indianapolis Colts, it feels like Chris Ballard

is making moves to try to change a little culture

and let's heighten the

professionalism of this operation a little bit.

Oh yeah, no doubt about it. A lot of it.

Yeah, Mooney Ward and then also Cam Bynum

huge for their secondary, especially when you

look at the teams in the division

with C.J. Stratt throwing the ball

all over the yard and Trevor

Lawrence, you assume they're still going to be spinning it.

So those are two massive in the secondary.

But looking at Daniel Jones,

Thank you. vision with CJ Stratt throwing the ball all over the yard.
And, you know, Trevor Lawrence, you assume they're still going to be spinning it. So those are two massive in the secondary.
But looking at Daniel Jones, this is the first real competition, real like, hey, we're not just bringing in some vet to show you the ropes. Now we're bringing in a guy who's in his 20s who can really put the pressure on you, who really could be the future of this team.
So if you are AR, sure. Flacco last year, you're looking at one of the all-time greats behind you, but he's more so there to kind of help you along.
Now when you're looking at Daniel Jones, if you're Anthony Richardson, you're looking over your shoulder at one of the possible all-time greats. I mean, we can't do that.
We don't know. We still got 15 years left on this career.
What's going on? Did I miss a pre-production meeting?

Did you watch the playoff game?

Hold on, hold on.

Don't say anything.

Don't say anything, actually.

Foxy, can you go back to the beginning?

Let's go ahead and turn some sound on.

What did you miss?

Everything, apparently.

Hit that, please.

Oh, shit.

This is what you missed.

Oh, wait. Is this a playoff game? Yeah.
It might not be, but... Oh, shit.
This is what you missed. Oh, wait.

Is this a playoff game?

Yeah.

It might not be, but...

Oh, yeah.

Get it?

Yeah.

Step four.

Oh!

That's what you missed.

That's what you missed.

What's up, Patrick Peterson?

Boom.

That's what he did.

Boom.

Oh.

Boom.

Ah! Darius Slayton? What? Uh-oh. Meet your new best friend.
Give me another one. Oh.
See how tight that fire was? That could have cut glass. Spin it.
Just listen to music, bro. Get lost in it.
It could be. Look at this.
Dark. Touchdown.
Isaiah Hodgkins who? That's a playoff touchdown, brother. Meet Alec Pierce.
That's a playoff touchdown right there, brother. Threw for 301 and two tutties in the playoffs.
Is that good? Look how tight that's. Yeah.
And I don't want to remind everybody every single time I talk about this. Anthony Richardson, obviously, massive upside and can still continue to get better.
But as we watch these darts from Danny Dimes from 10 years ago, let's make sure we remind everybody.

Yeah, of course.

Anthony Richardson, okay, his 2024 completion percentage, 47.7.

Ugh.

NFL average is 65.3.

Relative to the league, Richardson had the least accurate passing season in the history of the NFL. Okay? Now, let alone everything else.
That's potentially happening not on the field, the professionalism part and being a leader of a team. Did he even have a chance walking into that locker room with how they were operating? Probably not.
Tough, yeah. Probably not, especially whenever he only played like five, six games throughout the entirety of his high school and college career somehow and is still as good as he is you when you talk about just walking into a place and having no idea what to expect or what's going on i think that's anthony richardson number four overall pick massive upside is he going to be able to get there we have no idea we have the work ethic to get there we have no idea we have the professionalism to pay attention to every single detail about how he presents himself, how he operates, and how he goes about his business on the day-to-day.
Treatment, and meetings, and workouts, and being on time, being early. All these things about being a professional.
Will AR do that this offseason? Maybe. Especially now that there's a little bit more pressure and that they publicly announced that we're going to bring in some competition.
But for me, Danny Dimes, sure, he's thrown some pick sixes. Yeah, no doubt.
Sure. He's looked terrible at times.
He's tripped over. But he doesn't have a 47.7 completion percentage.
I assume he shows up on time to everything. I assume he'll be a guy that'll be like, yeah, I'm an NFL quarterback.

I'm going to be a professional.

So nonetheless, it'll be good for AR to either see it or it'll be good for a 27-year-old to get paid $14 million

as a starting quarterback in the NFL with a Shane Steichen offense.

Now, I don't know if Chris Ballard is done with the big prize hunting

and everything like that in this free agency period,

but I think there's some trades you could probably make too to make this team even better. Some really good pieces on our team that we could certainly get the hell out of town.
No doubt. And maybe get some things back so we have a massive draft as well.
You're talking about a couple more pieces being added in here. And if Danny can play good football, like we saw with that incredible beat behind it, look out for the Indianapolis Colts.
Look out danny dimes resurgence just like all the boys had i'm sure bruce agrees wholeheartedly giants fan you've seen him more than anybody i'll tell you what yesterday i may have been a little hard on danny dimes but this morning thinking back over it 2022 we were just watching the playoff win highlights 2023 we let him get sacked a thousand times. His legs snapped in half.
He had a neck. He basically died on the field in 2023, comes back in 2024, a little shell-shocked.
And now he gets a fresh start right here. And of all the knocks, the turnovers, the fumbles, the not being able to set a protection pre-snap, all that stuff, you do not have to worry about him coming in, working hard, putting his head down no matter what, and he is a tough son of a gun.
And with that being said, over rush yards, always a hit for Danny Dyer. So that's good for us, especially in a state that has legalized gambling.
And also, something you need to think about, okay? Sam Darnold, what happened whenever he went somewhere? 27-year-old. Baker Mayfield, when he went around and came back and went to another place.
Even Kirk Cousins will say, whenever he went around doing a place. You know, you learn a little bit.
You get a little perspective. And whenever he has Shane Steichen calling the place, Shane Steichen took Gardner Minshew to the fucking Pro Bowl.
Okay? He did. Don't ever forget that.
I thought we weren't doing that anymore. Damn near playoff.
I thought we weren't doing that with the Pro Bowl anymore. We made that decision.
I know he was like the 15th alternate. Doesn't matter.
Still had a Pro Bowl jersey. And we're one play away from winning the AFC South.
Hosting a playoff game with Gardner. No offense, Gardner.
Dog. Gardner vastly different than Daniel Jones.
So let's have a little faith that Shane Steichen, maybe going to be a little bit more of an accountability-driven coach. Oh, yeah.
Maybe. Maybe the building will get like that a little bit.
Maybe. But also, with him drawing up plays, he understands Danny Dimes' weakness.
Danny Dimes understands his weakness. Danny Dimes has already been paid.
So Danny Dimes ain't going to be scared to – you know what I mean? No. We got a little bit more of this.
He's going to have to. A little bit more of that.
You know? You got to convince me. Yeah, he's going to have to.
Some RPOs. He convinced you.
You were all in this morning. Well, you know, back and forth, but you guys, you know.
Never back and forth. He was out.
Yeah, it was a tough scene for sure, but my real worry is that Shane Steichen does completely just turn into shite stinking. What? With the O-line now that is left, I mean, Bill Fries and Ryan Kelly both got.
Fries just got $88 million. We missed him last year, I realized.
Yeah, yeah. He got hurt early.
And the offensive line's a huge problem. You know, and when you're looking at Daniel Jones, the biggest thing when he was with the Giants, hey, the offensive line stinks.
So Daniel Jones. Used to it.
Ipso facto stinks. No, yeah.
Used to stinking behind a shite O-line. So you've got to worry about best skill positions he's ever played with by far.
He went to the KOC middle school, if you will, of quarterback. And now he's with Shane Steichen, hopefully who stays as Shane Steichen and not Shite Stinking because we've seen how it turns.
It turns bad, brother. We just saw the Houston Texans trade Laramie Tunzel.
We can package together a couple pro bowlers, and we could probably get a couple big boys to come right in here to Indianapolis. I think Chris Ballard is still cooking.
Now, with Danny Dimes coming here to Indianapolis, the Minnesota Vikings quarterback job would be the big conversation piece because Sam Darnold signed with Seattle yesterday for $100.5 million. But allegedly, Tom Pellicero of NFL Network is reporting that is J.Jj mccarthy's job so what does that mean for one half of the hammer down cowboys turn digs uh what are the pittsburgh stealers thinking about all these decisions that are being made at the quarterback uh position and where do you kind of sit right now on day two of the free agency frenzy yeah on this uh quarterback musical chairs n NFL situation, it is basically down to the Steelers and Giants

on Aaron Rodgers' watch.

The loser gets Russell Wilson, I believe,

in that situation.

Now, I am in the minority

when I say that I want Aaron Rodgers

to be the Steelers quarterback.

Are you really?

Oh, yeah.

In Pittsburgh or just everywhere?

Pittsburgh.

Okay, all right, got it.

Big time, I'm not sure why.

They were super high on Justin Fields. And like I said yesterday, Justin Fields was a great teammate.
But, you know, when you have – 30 mil guaranteed to the Jets, Justin Fields. Yeah, it's a lot of money for Justin Fields.
When you have DK and you have GP, you need one of the all-time great ball throwers. Okay? And that is Aaron Rodgers.
Talked about it yesterday. The blueprint is out there.
Manning to Denver. Brady to Tampa Bay.
Rodgers to Pittsburgh. Now, you guys said it yesterday.
He went to the Jets. Like I said, that's not a real situation.
That's not a real program. Okay.
That doesn't even, I don't even, I don't even think that counts on his record. Won't even be chatted about.
That'll be, at the end of his career, those stats and stuff. They'll say he tore his Achilles whenever he's with the Jets and then he was able to bounce back.
blah, blah, blah. What do we think? That'll all be expunged.

If we lose out on

Aaron Rodgers, if Aaron Rodgers

isn't our quarterback,

I don't know

who's going to be.

Russell.

He's just sitting there

twiddling his fingers like, I'm going to go

back to this team that obviously clearly doesn't

want me that offer Justin that is waiting on Aaron. What if he's gone? About Joe Milton for TJ Watt, brother.
I got a submission for you. Frames is stealing.
Yeah, when Patriots signed a backup quarterback, Joe Milton, we saw what he can do. He can spin the rock like nobody else.
And maybe George Pickens, you throw him in there. To be clear, I've heard Pittsburgh Steelers fans in this office this morning go, there's a chance Joe Brosor quarterback room for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Who was that, Nick? That was Joe Milton from New England. We make a simple trade for him, you know, maybe like a fifth, sixth round pick, something like that.
And then we look to the waiver wire of the free agent market, and we see someone no one's talking about, an old familiar face, Joe Flacco, just sitting there waiting to be plucked. Steelers will be – did he play for the Bengals ever? No.
Okay, so that would be the third team, obviously, in the AFC North that Joe Flacco would have played for. And Joe Flacco could still spin it.
Now, he didn't all play as well as I had hoped for the Indianapolis Colts. Kind of pulled me in a bind.
No. It kind of pulled me in a little bit of a spot.
Now, the more we're hearing about what was happening behind the scenes, Joe Flacco should have been starting much earlier than that particular game. But Joe Flacco can spin it, and he was able to do that with Cleveland.
He took them on a playoff run fresh off the couch. I think he's able to be a great vet for you.
Is he a starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers this upcoming season? I think Steelers fans would be a little bit flustered, but better than a potential alternative. You have no quarterbacks on the roster.
There is Chris Boswell is the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. What pick do you guys have? 20.
Okay. Okay.
So, I mean, there is Will Hart. Also, Steelers fans are freaking out because Florio put out an educated guess that Aaron would probably get two years, 90 million.
Pretty sure that's not true. Why are you saying you're pretty sure? Pretty sure.
What do you know? Sarah Rogers. I don't know.
I just know that it's not going to be two years 90 million. How do you know that? How do you be so sure? Sam just got 33.
Huh? Oh no, Aaron's worth that. Of course.
Certainly. I don't know.
Maybe he's just looking for... Mark is telling him.
I don't know. Pat, what do you think? No.
Tone, this is on you, bud. Please, Tone, go on.
You're the one correcting reports. How do you know, Tone? I was just thinking at the top of my head, I think Aaron is looking to go in and just be with a great franchise and take a nice deal.
I don't know. Is that what you're hearing? Is that just in your brain? That's what you're hoping for or thinking? I don't know.
I feel like someone right here said that. I mean, Bitcoin's down.
I think you might ask for 50. Is Bitcoin down? Is there a Bitcoin game? It's crashing, brother.
I thought Bitcoin was going up, though. It's crashing.
No, you got to break it down to build it back up. Hold on.
Now, buy the dips, right, in this kind of the game. Now, it sucks for everybody.
I feel bad for everybody that's currently doing it. I am not a person that plays the market or any of the crypto.
Been offered a lot of crypto over the years. Hey, we got a lot of money for you to be made.
All you got to do is push this, push this, and then on the backside, you'll be able to do this and yada yada that doesn't sound real no it is everybody's doing look around everybody's doing it my god it's i'm not smart enough for all that stuff but i do know there's been a couple times where we could have got in on bitcoin and then over the next few weeks i watched that fucker just go straight up and i'm like if this is real money which i don't know if it is i don't know how it works once If this is real, boy, we really missed out on this. Like, we could have been in a few times.
You're saying he's coming back down. You're saying he's coming back down.
We're in correction territory right now. You know, down 8% to 10% across the board.
Basically, every equity in the world. Bitcoin real, though? I don't know.
What? The jury's out. It's real.

You've been pushing this since day one.

I'm not pushing anything.

It's for entertainment purposes only.

D-Buch is real.

Bitcoin is real.

D-Buch was a financial advisor a few years back. Came on the show.

Hey, you guys need to get into this crypto.

Well, that's a lie.

He's got his jump drive on him every single day.

I told you, too.

Bitcoin, Ethereum.

Anything else, it's out of my lane.

Now, to be clear,

we do apologize to everybody

that is in the market.

When I wake up and my phone app

just has red on,

I go,

I'm so sorry to hear that for you guys.

It's part of the game.

It is part of the game.

From what I've been told.

I don't know.

I got money for the first time in 2009.

Do you know what happened in 2008?

Yeah.

Every rich person lost every dollar they had. So for my first time meeting rich people, hey, how's it going? Money was not great.
Did you see what happened last year? No. What happened? Oh, we lost everything.
You didn't even get to enjoy it? No. Gone.
Boof. Just like that.
So I made a conscious decision then that if my money's going to disappear, at least I'm going to enjoy it. And I've kind of carried that into 37.
I got a lot of people telling me I'm an idiot. Got to let your money work for you.
You're in the market. Yeah.
I have 401K. With the NFL? Yeah.
Shout out to them. I'm sure I'll remember to get that out, however that works.
I don't even know how that thing works. I'm sure I'll live long enough to be able to pull that.
I'm just not smart enough for it all. You know, CFO Phil dabbled in there a little bit, started learning about it, and he tried to explain explain it to me and i'm like i don't this ain't for me bro i'd rather we just see what it's going but i would like everybody to know uh we're we're sorry that that's happening but in this long game you guys always talk about you're playing chess here no exactly like if you bought that day in 2008 it went up like you know 200 to present day bingo yeah code of dinner but the 2008 thing is gonna you know it's always never happened again hopefully no it's always lurking the dreaded r word recession it's always lurking such a cool word to start that recess i love yeah everybody loves i absolutely love recess anyways good luck to everybody big money has been spent though uh just yesterday Bruce Brown, how much money was spent, probably? $2.45 billion total.
$921 million guaranteed. $724 million on offense.
$1.5 billion on defense. The Panthers and Patriots leading that charge.
panthers filling out um their defense the uh patriots obviously leading the way with uh milton williams 104 million total that was the highest total on the day uh the vikings just 84 million yesterday but a big splash this morning they are now up to 261 million uh total with will getting that $88 million. They also brought back Byron Murphy.
The Colts, obviously, on defense with Charverius Ward and Cam Bynum. The Giants also making some waves with Adebo.
And we got a nice little tackle and spent about $140 million on guys that nobody knows. That's a great breakdown of all the money that was spent out yesterday.
Go ahead. No, the Giants got Javon Holland, too.
Yes, Javon Holland. Safety from the Miami Dolphins.
That's a big deal. Obviously, everybody's talking about him.
But we have news happening right now. Ladies and gentlemen, a bag has been delivered.
This one at the home of the Chiefs. are giving a two-year, $20 million deal to Chargers corner Christian Fulton with $15 million fully guaranteed.
Deal was done by Todd France of A1 Athletes First. D-Buck quick, Christian Fulton, baller, Chiefs, making this move.
How come, you think? Good coach, good system over there. He is a good player, that uh dominant um lsu team uh coming out of there so he's one of the young guys on that team but he's been good still find his foot and i think this is a good deal for him i am uh interested to see where justin reed ends up safety that has been on the texans and then uh formerly on the chiefs back-to-back champs so i'm interested to see where what his market is and where he ends up with all theseeties getting big deals.
Joining us now is the man who broke this news, senior NFL insider for NFL Network, Ian Rapoport. Yeah, Rap Shee! Rap Shee, we had a chance to talk to you.
Yep, you found it. I like how you lose some time for us and then you have the TV straight up into that.
Smart. I mean, the neck, it just, it's ties are sort of out now except when we got to do this kind of stuff.
So it's, it's there and it's just kind of here.

And it's just, just a lot.

Super casual.

Talk to the boys.

Happy hour.

It is a little happy hour networking.

You can't come soon enough.

Yeah, absolutely.

Especially on these days.

We're talking to you this morning and you were super antsy.

Yeah.

You're super antsy.

I'm like, Hey, is there going to be more stuff coming today?

And you're like, well, maybe start doing all this weird shit. Jones, obviously, to the Indianapolis Colts.
CJ, GJ getting traded. And now Christian Fulton getting signed by the Kansas City Chiefs.
Is today going to be a big day and continue to be a big day? Or what is your feeling and expectation here on day two of Free Agency Frenzy? Yeah, so when you FaceTimed, I was getting ready to hit send on the, uh, Chauncey Gardner Johnson, uh, tweet, you know, the trade with Kenyon green. And I'm like, and then I answered and I'm like, Oh my God, did I accidentally like hit send? Because you got to make sure that all parties are informed.
Like, you know, draft pick trades are easy. Those are fast.
You don't have to inform the draft picks they're traded. They don't care.
Right? But if it's a player, that's one call. If it's two players, that's two calls.
So you have to find both players, call them. So I was waiting to hit send.
You FaceTime, and I'm like, that would actually be really annoying if I accidentally hit send while it's queued up on my phone. And our fault.
That's on us. That's on us.
No, no. Got to take ownership.
That's on me. But that didn't happen.
So we ended up getting this trade, which was actually like a really interesting trade. So the Texans were trying to find a safety.
I know they had some interest in Javon Holland. Javon Holland goes to the Giants today for a bag.
345.3, I think, is the deal with some upside there. So that was sort of a splash for the Giants.
And then it was sort of like, all right, well, obviously the Texans still need a safety. Is there any available? I had heard rumblings that Chauncey Gardner-Johnson could potentially be available.
They do the trade. Eagles get some offensive line help.
And that was sort of a thing. You had the Daniel Jones thing, which Indiana Jones, I didn't think of that.
Shout out to Billy Toops. Bill McComas, who is a diehard Indianapolis Colts fan, has been his entire life.
As soon as Daniel Jones comes over, his brain, his little meathead brain goes, Indiana Jones comes to save me. So that was his immediate thoughts.
You could have put that out in your tweet. You did not, so you did miss it.
Bailey McComas got you. I didn't think of it.
Like, I can't do, you know, I'm pretty funny, obviously.

Like, I can't really do comedy when it's, like, serious like this.

It just doesn't work in my brain.

So that one's on me.

I blew that up.

Oh, yeah, I forgot.

You can't spell comedian without Ian.

Yeah, I forgot.

That was from a few years back.

I haven't got a chance to chat with you in a while, you because you uh made me look like an asshole do you remember that i do yeah yeah classic yeah you did you did but now that i'm learning more about your place of work maybe you had no idea you know that that is that is kind of the uh you know it's an interesting time is a flat circle bingo it is a flat time and. I'm happy to be back.
I love you guys. I missed you.
Yeah, we missed you too. We told you that in person, especially whenever, you know, you're going to beat Schultz's ass at his dad's coffee shop.
You did not call security. We broke that news.
We're thankful you did not because we would not have been able to talk with you if that was the case, especially if there was no physical. That would have been lame.
Yeah, exactly. That would have been lame.
And listen, people do that. You've got to be safe.
Just we probably won't have you on our show. Now, speaking of time being a flat circle, Minnesota Vikings, they miss out on Daniel Jones.
Daniel Jones comes to the Colts. J.J.
McCarthy now, I believe Tom Pellicero tweeted, is looking to be the starter for the Vikings. Is that accurate? And does that mean Aaron Rodgers to the Vikings? No.
Aaron Rodgers, Giants, Steelers, probably the real conversation. Yeah.
So we'll get to the J.J. McCarthy thing first.
So the Vikings were in on Daniel Jones. They made a strong offer.
It was more to like, I would say like competition in the QB room. Like it was an offer similar to what he ended up taking with the Colts.
So it's like sort of bridge starter money, but like, if you're in

Minnesota, they really like J.J.

McCarthy in camp. Obviously, he didn't play last year

because of the injury, but like, the upside is

a lot. I mean, they are,

he's barely played, but they really,

really like him. So it's like, alright,

didn't get the sort of backup slash bridge

starter, like, let's

roll. Now, I think they're going to add a veteran anyway,

but I don't get a sense it'll be like competition.

I get more of a sense it'll be depth.

It sounds like it's going to be J.J. McCarthy's time.

And like, if you're, you know,

we've seen some young quarterbacks do very well very quickly.

He had a year to learn, came all the way back from an injury.

He's going to get coached by an exceptionally good coaching staff.

Like, and with, you know, if you're a quarterback and you get to throw to Justin Jefferson,

that's pretty good.

This is an incredible situation for him.

I had wondered about Aaron Rodgers because I had heard that Rodgers

really liked the Vikings as a destination, which I would too.

Who wouldn't if you're a quarterback?

Yeah, who wouldn't?

Right.

And it's like now following Favre's thing is sort of like whatever. But, you know, I would say to me it is Steelers or Giants for Rodgers.
Sometimes you can get a feel for these things. Like I felt Daniel Jones, for instance, was headed to the Colts late last night.
I've gone back and forth on Rodgers, and I can say I actually don't know. It's a really hard choice.
I have some thoughts, but I don't know which way he's leaning. I legitimately don't know.
We'll ask AJ in the next hour. You're assuming that Aaron has told people you're telling us that teams think Aaron is coming back to play, because that was the first question, right? Does Aaron want to sign up to do the entire football thing again when his legacy is already cemented as a Hall of Famer, Mount Rushmore player, and he's the highest paid quarterback or player in the history of the NFL.
Now, these deals might change that as we go into the next couple years. For guys, congratulations to them.
But it's like, from what you're hearing, Aaron having conversations, Aaron interested, and Giants-Steelers, you don't know which one is more in the lead in this particular convo, is what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, I've kind of gone back and forth. Because, you know, if it's the Giants, first of all, he doesn't have to move.
Second of all, it's a team they've added in free agency. They've still got some weapons.
They are a team that, when they've had a good quarterback or even decent quarterback play, they've won. I mean, they drew lock playing well in a game late in the season, which really would have been better for them if they had lost, but that's a whole different story.
That's a pretty intriguing situation. And then you have the Steelers who have lost a lot in free agency, but it's still the Steelers.
I mean, you've got that defense. You've got the fans.
You've got the stadium. You've got Tomlin.
I can understand why it's a tough decision. We in life rarely face these kind of decisions like these players do.
Usually it's sort of obvious. These are real tough decisions.
Yeah, legacy, especially with how the Jets went. With how the Jets went.
That's exactly right. With everything it's set up.
And once again, Aaron has not told me. He's probably told AJ, even though AJ refuses to say anything because AJ will just lie right to all of us.
Oh, bad. Yeah, exactly.
He uses his friends as friends. What a weird thing.
You're the one that's been telling him for years. He needs to use his friends as sources.
I mean, it would be helpful to us if he did. Yeah, to you.
To me, I'm completely okay either way, however it goes. For you, it would be complicated.
Yeah, for me, it would be very interesting. Inevitably, we'll find out what the case is.
It has to happen relatively soon. Is that the expectation for this particular convo, Rep? Yeah, I think so.
I mean, because the reality is if you're a team, like, let's say, I actually don't know what you're going to pay him. Like, trying to figure out what you pay Aaron Rodgers is actually, like, a real challenge.
I mean, I feel like it'd be sort of like, what would you take to come play for us? You know, that's – when you get to this point, like, that's kind of the negotiations, right? It's like, we'd like you. Can you just figure out a good salary? But teams need to know where the money is being spent.
Now, I would say nothing is more important than the quarterback. So, like, if you're the Steelers or Giants, you'd like to know, but you're not going to hassle Rodgers and be like, hey, like, I know you're, you know, going for, like, a swim in the ocean or something.
But, like, you know, or whatever. I don't know.
But can you, like, answer the phone? What are some other hobbies? What are some other hobbies you think Aaron's doing right now? Swimming in the ocean. What else? I don't know.
If there's like a plant medicine retreat that could be going on right now. Like you got to put your phones away for those things.
I've heard. Obviously.
You've never done it. Obviously.
We know that. So, yeah.
Put your phone away and then answer it whenever. So I think he'll let them know when he lets them know, but I personally would rather it would be today.
Okay, so you would like to be today. Is that a possibility from what you're hearing? Yeah, I think it's a possibility.
Okay, so we'll keep that on the docket. Now, one of those teams obviously has great representation on this particular program.
Tone has a question for you, Rap, as you do your business. And if you need to, you just do what you got to do.
We can talk right around you. Yeah, Rap, let's pretend you're a team with no quarterbacks on it.
Aaron Rodgers doesn't pick your team. The Patriots signed Josh Dobbs yesterday.
Does that mean Joe Milton's available? Yeah, so I wondered about this too. I would say I have not heard any traction toward a Joe Milton trade.
I haven't. I've asked plenty.
I've not heard any traction. I will think about this like I always think about quarterbacks.
It's like, yes, could the Patriots get value for Joe Milton? They really could. They really could.
He is cheap. He is promising.
When he played, he looked good. Here's the problem.
He may have to play for the Patriots. I have no idea what's going to happen with Drake May.
God forbid something gets injured or something, which would be terrible, but sometimes does happen. He might have to play.
So what would be worth it to the Patriots to trade him for where you say, like, we have to deal him. We're getting this and we're not going to worry about, you know, our backup quarterback.
Like, maybe the Patriots will be good this year. Maybe they'll be better.
And maybe Joe Milton will have to play in a meaningful game. Would it be worth it for, like, a second-round pick or something? Like, I don't know that it would be.
Teams hate to trade quarterbacks. Yeah, Joe Milton not worth a second-rounder is a crazy thought.
Good for Joe. Congrats to Joe.
Maybe he is, but just – I'll tell you what. I have no idea what's going to happen with Joe Milton's career, but there's a lot of people who really like him.
Yeah, after watching him, how could you – I mean – Neat to see him start. Bazooka Joe, I mean, he could throw the ball forever, and he could just do a standing backflip with ease.
So anybody that has that type of athleticism can throw the ball like that. And let's assume, you know, he's in New England for a year even if he stays for another year with Vrabes like he's going to be ready to do something.
I need to see Joe do his thing. We've seen a guy be at an all-pro level.
He got traded yesterday. Wow.
At a position you would think that the Texans would need. D-Butt has a question for you, Rapp.
Yeah, I know it's free agent frenzy right now. We've had huge trades, DK Metcalf, CJ, GJ, but Laramie Tunsil.
We rarely see great quarterbacks, great pass rushers, and great left tackles available. Any insight onto why the Texans moved on for Laramie at this point? Yeah, that was, of all the things yesterday, that was probably the most surprising.
Like, heard a whisper, checked on it, and was still like, all right, hang on, like, is this really true? So, he has made a lot of money from the Texans. He is an awesome player, one of the best left tackles of, I guess, the last decade, right? I mean, him and Trent, there's a couple of him and Trent Williams.
I mean, he is awesome. And the commanders, take the commander side of it first.
They were in on a bunch of tackles. They were in on Ronnie Stanley.
They were in on Dan Moore. When it became clear that they were either not getting those guys or weren't going to put up the money it would take to get them just value-wise, they quickly pivoted to like, who's the best left tackle who could potentially be available? The Texans have paid Laramie Tunsil a couple times.
He is getting up in age. He is still awesome.
But, you know, might he want another contract? Possibly. And I think if you're the Texans paying third or fourth contracts, whatever it is, like, even at a premium position, even for an offensive line that's struggled, it's a lot.
It felt like, to me, it was probably time.

And look, they've got to rebuild that offensive line.

Kenyon Green got traded today, Tunsil yesterday.

They've got some work to do,

but they've got draft picks.

They've got a little bit of money.

And I think that's

priority number one now for the Texans.

I'll tell you what, did everybody know Laramie Tunsil

was available?

Yeah, they kind of

I don't want to say shopped, because it's not

Thank you. priority number one now for the Texans.
I'll tell you what, did everybody know Laramie Tunzel was available? Yeah, they kind of I don't want to say shopped because it's not like they were like, shopping is more like we're trying to get rid of them, if not we'll cut them. They talked to some teams who were in the tackle market and some of those teams opted for younger or cheaper versions.
Okay, we'll see. Bad move.
Yeah, we will. We'll see.
This is like the really interesting stuff to me. It's like several teams who either signed tackles or were in the tackle market, had the chance for Tunsil decided not to.
We're going to see how it goes. Yeah, we will.
I know how it's going to go with Tunsil. Tunsil's going to do his shit.
That's how it's going to go. CJ's wondering what the hell's going on.
If Jaden Daniels is going, thank you to everything going on in Washington right now. They bring in Debo.
They bring in Laramie Tunzel for him. I mean, what they're doing in Washington, trying to flip this culture and continue to go, not just have a one-off, good for them.
I'm pumped for them. When I saw Laramie's name move, I was like, what? That was right after we went off the air.
I think it was like 20 minutes afterwards. I was surprised.
Very surprised. I mean, money obviously always makes sense.

I just assume maybe locker room or something

that we aren't privy to because

once again, you don't see these type of

guys at that position move.

And then with how shitty the Texans

offensive line was last year

to move on from him was definitely a head

scratcher. Okay, let's move away

from the AFC South, which has changed over the last 24 hours for sure. Let's go to the NFC West with a team that always has something going on.
Connor has a question for you, Rapp. Yeah, Rapp, shoot.
Obviously, the 49ers have lost a lot of people. We just mentioned Debo getting traded to the Commanders.
And then yesterday, I believe, all their players combined, yeah, they earned $276 million elsewhere in different spots around the league. And, you know, now it's kind of being in question what's going on over there.
Is a Brock Purdy massive contract, is that something that's coming soon? Is that the reason why they're kind of letting all these guys go and then when it comes

to the bosa situation it was reported that uh joey bosa got an offer from sam fran and miami for around 10 million is that kind of the expectation he's going to one of those two places and uh when can we see some of this stuff starting to happen to the 49ers because i know their fans are kind of freaking out right now.

Yeah, this is, yeah, well, first of all, I think that's right on Boast. I think he's going to have some other options too, but I think those teams are definitely in the mix.
That makes – the number makes sense, and joining his brother to me also makes sense. So two things.
One, I was looking at the list. Jalen Moore is, I would guarantee that 98% of NFL fans have never heard of Jalen Moore.
Yes, we did yesterday. We didn't yesterday.
You did not? Yeah, when it got signed, we were like, okay, Jalen Moore. All right.
Nice. So, he was the guy who filled in for Trent Williams for like seven games over the last however many years, and no one noticed him because he played really well.
So like if it's the Chiefs, and obviously they've needed a left tackle, like they are buying the upside. The price is really good for players barely play, but if he's a starting left tackle, it's good for both sides.
They weren't going to re-sign him. They have Trent Williams.
But so about the 49ers, I'm sure their fans are going crazy. I'm sure.
But this is what really good teams should do, right? You should let guys who are looking for third contracts or guys who you can't afford to pay leave and you draft and develop behind them. Like that's what, you know, for the Patriots for years did that.
The Ravens do it. Steelers do it.
Like, the really – the Chiefs certainly do it. The really good teams can let their big-ticket free agents go, knowing that they have the confidence in the personnel department to draft behind.
And it doesn't get any – like, I think the Ravens, I don't know – have they made a move? I don't think they made a move yet. But, like, this is what they do.
Last year they let their whole offensive line go, it felt like, and they just replenished them in the draft. Like, kept it rolling.
That's what the good team did. They signed Chuck Pagano.
Uh-huh. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, they signed Chuck Pagano, senior advisor. You didn't know who Chuck Pagano was? Okay.
Made some changes for the fans. I was sitting next to Pelissero in Mobile when he broke that, and I was so mad.
You were mad? Why? Because he was leaving our program? Yes. No, because I didn't break it.
I'm like, seriously? I was like, I got it. I'm like, all right.
Okay, so Pellicero gets to break the Chuck Pagano news that broke our heart. Yeah.
Whenever it got officially announced. Brock Purdy is the other part of that conversation.
They're going to have to pay him. What's that number going to be? Yeah, so I don't get the sense it's like imminent, imminent, but it's always coming.
So, like, teams do budgeting on out. they know it's coming and they do have to account for it you know what's the number going to be as interesting so josh allen got 55 dax at 60 you know you got the trevor lawrence at 55 you know jordan love at 55 my sense is that's probably the target is it going to be higher or low? I don't know.
49ers have been, you know, unless they get to a point where they, like, are right up against the season. They've been, you know, like with Brandon Aukla, that was a big contract.
But generally they've been, you know, pretty conservative with these contracts. I'm going to be fascinated to see where this goes, but like in that range right there

is where

you're looking. I just don't know

where it actually fits in.

Alright, and Josh Allen obviously changed

the game completely with $250 million

in guarantees. Congrats to him and

Brandon Bean. That was a nice deal.
Yeah, that was a very nice

deal. Brandon Bean, four years left or whatever, so you know

what? Yeah. And Brandon Bean came on our particular

program and said every time a new quarterback deal gets

done, Josh Allen looks at Bean and goes, is that

right? And then just kind of walks by. Great relationship, great vibes at Buffalo.
They've made a lot of plays, and he is obviously incredibly wealthy. Oh, really? Yeah, he said it's been happening for like the last couple years.
Oh, I heard Trevor Lawrence. Could you imagine Josh? Trevor's a good player.
Trevor's a good player. Do you see what he did? And then Dak signs for 60.
That's actually a funny bet. Yeah, I think so too.
Walking into Bean's office. Good morning, Bean.
Good to see you, dude. Dak Prescott.
Alright, I'll see you, man. Just walking out of there.
I think they got a great relationship, though, which is a part of the Buffalo Bills culture. And the more you hear Bean talk about Josh Allen, the more you're like, oh, what a perfect quarterback for Buffalo.
Like, this is, he is Buffalo basically at this point. Now, got a Hollywood lady, but she spent the entire, she was like, I think, I think it's becoming like a...
She's a bit of a dog, too. People like Buffalo.
Huh? Like, I like Buffalo. Yes.
Cold as shit. I mean, cold as hell.
And obviously a lot of snow, but in the summer when the sun's out, lakes up there. I mean, it is beautiful for like two months there, two and a half months.
And then everything else. Rest of the time, very cold.
Bars stay open until 4 a.m., though. I mean, like a good time culture.
Obviously, any city that creates buffalo wings is okay with me, a piece of Americana. So Josh Allen being their face for the long haul is good and i think dean knew that and the buffalo bills now know exactly what their culture is and uh that's a good place to be especially when those chiefs are lurking every single year now let's go to our last question now because we know you got a lot of shit to do on this day bruce brown has one for you yeah rap so yesterday it was reported that Cooper Cup will be released if they cannot find a trade partner by tomorrow.
Is his market already shaping up? Do you have any insight into where Cup might land? And is the trade dead, or is there still a chance they might pull one off here? You know, there's a chance they might pull it off. I'd be surprised.
So, Cooper Cup broke this news himself during the Super Bowl

week. He said, basically, Rams are going to try to trade me

and I'm going to be somewhere else.

It's kind of odd because once you do that,

it actually becomes much harder

to trade. So, I haven't sensed

a ton of...

I haven't sensed a big trademark. I know

teams talk to the Rams. It's got a big contract.

$20 million.

It'd have to be redone. So it's sort of like

if you're Cooper Cup, you're not going to get

the $20 million anyway.

Wouldn't you rather be free?

You're going to get the money. It's going to be

the money anyway. Wouldn't you rather just pick where you go?

So that's kind of my sense.

I would expect him to be released.

Unless he knows where he's

going and he's set on the money and tells

someone, like, give a seven to the Rams.

But I think either way,

he'll probably have a new home very quickly.

Are you... unless he knows where he's going and he set on the money and tells someone, like, give a seven to the Rams.
But, like, I think either way, he'll probably have a new home very quickly. You talk about wouldn't you rather have a choice.
That's like people that are getting drafted in the back half of the seventh round versus being an undrafted free agent. You've got to pick the situation as opposed to getting drafted to a situation.
Cooper Cup having, I assume, would have many offers depending upon the price for him to join their wide receiver corps.

What were you saying, D-Butch? No, because Rapshree said once you put that out, it makes it

more difficult to be traded, and then

obviously if you have the option as a free agent to pick

your next destination, that's what

you ideally want. So I'm like, hey, maybe he saw

this from a 4D standpoint, and that's

why he put it out, but that's interesting.

I would love Cooper Cup

on my team. He's still got a lot of miles

left in. Which one of my teams?

That's a great question. All of them, I think he's

I don't know. why he put it out, but that's interesting.
I would love Cooper Cupp on my team. He's still got a lot of miles left in.
Which one of my teams is a great question. All of them? Because he'll be a great guy, not only on the field, but I think in the meeting room we talk to Puka and Nikul all the time.
He just talks about the impact he had on his career, so I would love him around my young wide receivers and quarterback. All right, Rap, what's going to break today? Anything we need to keep an eye on, pal? Hopefully your frequent regular guests makes the decision.
That would be helpful. Aaron just heard you do that and go, what a sorry pathetic.
Yeah, looks like I'm waiting. Yeah, but look, if we're being fair, he probably thinks that anyway.
Yeah, definitely. It's not like I'm breaking any news here, breaking any news here.
Like, I guess he's there already. And we're waiting on him.
If Aaron wants to say anything, our entire lives, just waiting there and going, I just got done watching the dolphins in the ocean. Ian thinks I'm swimming in there.
Yeah, right. I just look at that thing.
Just got out of a darkness retreat, maybe in the house. Living his best life.
Does he want to play ball again? There's a couple places that want him. Yeah.
Why not go try to win another Super Bowl? Why not, Aaron Rodgers? Why not? Why not? All right, we appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider NFL network, Ian Rapoport.
Yeah. Super casual.
Oh, yeah. He's just chilling, man.
Opening it up a bit. He does, too.
He kept literally from TV. Yeah.
Like, we don't get to watch it, but I assume the way it goes.

He goes from looking this way in his office to a camera with a suit and tie on.

And then to our show, he turns the thing.

What's up, boys?

Just having Tuesday. Hey, guys.

Earpiece out.

Yeah, exactly.

I want you to know that this is possible.

I didn't give a moment.

A deep side.

Retweeting.

Yeah, exactly.

Reposting and retweeting breaking news from teams while on air with us. Rapchi, what a lad.
You guys like beers? I'm so thankful he was able to join us yesterday. Very busy day.
Not a lot of people were able to stop by. Yeah, that was clutch, especially because he was getting everything right.
That was a big part of yesterday. Speaking ofutch, Rich Paul will be joining us at 115 Eastern today, CEO and founder of Clutch Sports, which is an agency and a management group that represents players in every major league at this point.
He went from selling jerseys out of his car. Okay, you're talking about one of the greatest American hustlers of all time.
Selling jerseys out of his car to now being one of the most influential agents on earth. We are appreciative of Rich Paul.
He is a friend of the program. And obviously, Rich Paul reps a lot of people, LeBron James being one of them, Anthony Davis being another one of them.
And then you just go through the list of around the NBA of people that he does business for and his agents do business for. It's like, I think we can get a nice clear picture on where the NBA is right now, where the NBA is headed, and what the season looks like.
And also, there was a little bit of a dust-up. Oh, yeah, big time.
A little bit of a dust-up. You know, and that's getting clarified and then reopened and then dropped back in it between Stephen A.
LeBron James. Rich Paul's name was actually said by Stephen A.
Smith in his response on first take after the LeBron James situation occurs at the Lakers game. So, you know, I'm excited to chat with Rich Paul.
Oh, yeah. And I think he actually likes our show.
So we talk to him as if he's one of us. And, yeah, I assume some of the shit's pretty offensive or not supposed to be asked about, but Rich Paul just lets it fly.
Yeah, yeah. I like it.
I like Rich Paul. I love Rich.
NBA's heating up, too. What's that? NBA's heating up, too.
This is kind of where, you know, after free agency, there's this little lull where it's just, you know, pro days, and that's kind of where the NBA takes back over with the NHL. What an amount of money that you put out there for the 49ers on the way out.
I mean, it was an actual gold rush from the San Francisco 49ers at other teams. And let alone Juszczyk getting cut.
Yeah, Juszczyk, the 14,, 15, 20 time pro bowler fullback for the San Francisco 49ers. He's been released by the, this seems to be like an every year thing where it's like, is juice going to get another deal or an extension? Or is he going to be released? Is it going to, it feels like every other year, every year this convo happens.
So yesterday when it was reported that he was officially being released, I think I took that as a bit of a surprise because I just assumed he would be in San Francisco forever. Maybe the Niners weren't able to get one of those vests that I got from Mrs.
Juszczyk. Could have been a deal.
Could have been. Maybe John Lynch was like, hold the phone.
That vest from Super Bowl was sweet. Where's mine? We're out.
Limited a dish. So maybe that was a part of the entire convo.
But with that being said, there's going to be teams that would like Juszczyk on their team. Oh, yeah.
Dog, beloved. At a position where I know the fullback is technically not a part of every offense yet.
We're getting back into pound the ball offense. So I think fullback is now a time to kind of start to blossom yet again.
But he also plays tight end. He's an H-back.
He does so much with how athletic he is. And he's a super genius.
Their entire run game two years ago when Christian McCaffrey goes bananas was basically going right off the ass of this guy. We broke it down on In the Trenches with AQ Shipley.
And it's like you follow wherever Juszczyk is going. That's where the run game's going.
And he's done great things with the Niners. I assume he's going to do great things no matter where he goes, D-Budge.
I'm on that same page. Very versatile.
You mentioned it. Very smart.
I'm sure when he comes into a building, he'll have some ideas from that 49er run game that he's been a big part of for a long time to bring into whatever building he goes into. But kind of piggybacking on something.
Raps said with a team like San Fran, this is your time where you rebuild. Free agency, the draft more importantly, because what's going on in San Fran, same thing in Philly.
You look at the players that they've lost from their Super Bowl run. It's so many people that leave every year because we know how bad other teams want to pull from winners.
John Lynch and Shanahan just got to rebuild once again. Everybody got paid.
Ush. You should actually get signed.
Maybe the Patriots. Yeah.
Don't look now. I mean, that would make a lot of sense, especially in McDaniels offense kind of coming back.
But to the entire thing with the Niners, what was that? Harvard, right? Yeah. Harvard guy.
He, you know, is from Ohio. Vrabel obviously is an Ohio guy.
Wait a minute. He's very familiar with the area, you could say.
And so that would make a lot of sense. He should be a New England Patriot before, you know, the clock strikes midnight tonight.
Wouldn't mind Taxachusetts either. Just came from Taxifornia.
Well, I mean, it doesn't even matter for him. He runs some hedge fund, I'm sure.
He's a Harvard guy. Wherever his money is, it's doing well.
We talk about money working for itself with this, you know, I'm not going to call it a recession, but with that looming. Recess.
I doubt, yeah, I doubt use checks worried about recess right now because his money is probably somewhere safe in some bank offshore. But that's just because he's so smart.
That's just because he's so smart. That's what smart people do.
Allegedly, Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. But this does kind of go to the entire, like, you can pay everybody, but eventually it is going to come back to kind of get you.
And it feels like right now it's getting the Niners. You know, they got to ship Deebo out.
Obviously, you know, the IUC situation is different. He got hurt.
That just stinks. Juszczyk is gone.
You know, a lot of those guys on defense ward dudes that they would probably like to still have, Dre Greenlaw, but they just can't do it because of the contracts they have. And you wonder with Trent Williams, if he's somebody who all of a sudden might be kind of available because he's getting so much money and he's old.
If they trade Trent Williams, I will be mind blown. Laramie Tunzel on the move and Trent Williams on the move when we're getting back to needing an offensive line football.
And Jalen Moore's gone now. You got to replace the replacement.
So we assume that that won't happen. But if it will, I mean, I guess.
Who knows? I mean, I guess. Leonard McConnell just got traded.
And the Houston Texans, you thought, were going to try to reload on the offensive line and maybe try to make it better after last season. But going back to the Niners, no use check.
If there's no Christian McCaffrey, I think that is just. Remember that got dropped four days before the season? That was nuts.
They're cooked. Game week.
If there's no Christian, they are cooked. What was it? Achilles arthritis? Tendinitis? Yeah, Achilles tendonitis or arthritis or something.
It was in one. And then they said, well, it's actually in both.
And then they started getting the other one. Yeah, exactly.
Anytime I hear that A word that rhymes with Chili's, I start to really wonder if everything's okay that's scary you know we've made such great medical advancements on the knee you know like the acl used to be it you know the hip back in the day used to be over acl used to be over modern medicine has been able to figure out the achilles obviously aaron came back and kirk was able to come back but it is that is a sustained, forlonged away time. That takes a lot to kind of come back from on the other side.
We hope the medical will be able to get that one a little bit more. But anytime we hear Achilles and we heard it four days before the season started with Christian McCaffrey, it was like, did we know? There was any Achilles stuff going on? I guess it was 10 to 90, so it wasn't a tear.
So hopefully they're able to get that to settle down. They said it kept flaring up whenever he'd come back.
Is that over and dealt with? We shall see. But that's the story of the San Francisco footer.
Brock Purdy getting paid. Brock Purdy being Brock Purdy okay.
Best player on the field whenever he's on the field is Christian McCaffrey. If he can't play, I think they're in some shite yet again.
If he can, I think they're in a good spot. It's as easy as that.
Yeah, debo to kind of play that you know hybrid running back role too definitely doesn't help them either but the achilles too it's not just like hey you recover from it and then the year that you're back you're back like we saw with rogers it took him yeah and kirk well kirk i mean you could argue he never came back yeah and like rogers it took him you know what 10 10 weeks you could make the case for him to really feel comfortable again and be able to move around and take all those shots. He still did that early on, but it felt like he wasn't really himself until kind of that point.
Now, those were tears, obviously. Yes, yeah.
And this is not what Christian had. Christian had 10 to nice, but.
Never heard of this. Me neither.
And we didn't hear of it until four days before. And a lot of people that do fantasy football were like, ah, could we have got this news before? I need my money back.
He was number one in everybody's draft, I guess. That's how late that information came.
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The toxic table is here, although it looks a little bit different. At Boston, Connor, once again, wearing his Coach 50 Patriots jersey.
Yeah, I just want to stay locked in. You know, good vibes from me yesterday.
I want to keep it going. Obviously, it does say head coach.
There was some debate that maybe I put Supreme Commander on it because it is Supreme Commander variable, but we decided to go with head coach because there's not enough letters back there to get them all in. And, yes, it is meant to have pads actually underneath it.
That's why it looks like. Old school pads.
It looks like it's meant to have, like, the old school. Yeah, the A.J.
Hawk high school pads. Yeah, Eddie George, congrats.
Ham, Bowling Green, new head coach. For you, though, is that 4X? Like, why did you get the 4X? I do believe this is a double X.
And I got it because, first of all, I had to have it. And they didn't have any other sizes.
And I wasn't going to get, you know, the new white or new blue jersey because Vrabel never wore that. He wore the throwback red.
How do you feel about what the Patriots did yesterday and what Vrabel's vision is? I feel fantastic. We're four days removed from him at a blackjack table moving all his chips, and now we're looking at a brand new New England Patriots team.
What are your thoughts on the team that they're assembling? I feel amazing about it. I really do.
I feel like... Spent a lot of money.
Yeah, they spent a ton of money, $254 million, I think, on their own. That feels great.
It feels like with Drake May, they're kind of putting a lot of trust in him. They're bringing in, you know, basically on offense, strictly Morgan Moses was the lineman they brought in.
Mack Hollins on the outside makes sense just because of Josh McDaniels. He played for him when McDaniels was the head coach at Las Vegas.
So that is the connection there. A guy that understands McDaniels offense, which is huge, help out that receiver room that nobody had played for McDaniels, who is currently there.
So that is great news. Really it feels like the 2021 free agency with the Patriots.
You remember after the COVID year and Cam Newton, they went 7-9. I think it was a terrible year in the standard of New England.
And then they go out and they spend $150 million on the first day of free agency. That feels like this kind of situation.
That year, they won 10 games. They went to the playoffs, completely flipped the entire team, and it feels like that's what Vrabel did here.
Great karma, too. We saw Vrabel's reading to an elementary school or a boys and girls club up in Boston two weeks ago.
This morning, he was at an event with Joe Mazzulla, Sam Hauser, and Joe Andrews. Granite saving by shaving event.
It's expected to raise about $3.5 million for Boston's Children's Hospital. He's taking a top off.
He's going bold for the city of Boston and for the children there. As is Joe Mazzulla.
Can't wait to see his chrome dome walking the sidelines. But it feels like he has very much embraced being back in the New England area, and it feels like New England has embraced him being back in the area.
People love Vrabel, you know, everything that he's about, and it feels like the style of football that people from New England like to watch is kind of that gritty, grind and pound, like we're going to punch you in the mouth type of football, and that's what Vrabel brings back to the table, which is massive. You started that, Bruce.
Hell yeah. That was good work, Bruce.
You were half-assing it, though. I don't know if you saw it.
He's not confident. He was not confident.
He's like, normally I'm in the back. This would be when we would start to do it.
I do it every time. You should have had some confidence there.
You should have had some confidence. You should have just started immediately.
And a Southsball one I don't think we've ever had. That's weird, bro.
Bring it, brother. But you're talking, that is Vrabel football, and that is Patriot fan.
They enjoy that style. Yeah, exactly.
It's incredible. And, you know, defense being a good defensive team, that's something everyone's used to, especially from the Belichick era.
Started with Vrabel when he was playing, you know, outside linebacker, pass rusher for New England. And the Missoula stuff's cool.
Missoula's talked about before, like, hey, the four jobs when it comes to professional sports in Boston. That needs to be a brotherhood between those four guys because it's a professional sports town.
There aren't college sports that people care about aside from maybe hockey. But it really is predominantly professional sports when it comes to New England and Boston.
And I think Joe Mazzulla said it. He said, it is not me.
I'm just the keeper of this seat right now. Like, the Celtics are going to live on long after me, and they've been successful long before I got here.
I'm just the one who has the honor to be currently holding this title. So I think Vrabes also feels like whenever he gave that speech at the Hall of Fame about hey hold on to this for dear life that's special you have no idea what it's like in other places i'm coaching the titans right now holy shit basically what he said yeah i was at the texans you have no idea what it's like in other places didn't say that sure sounded like it with the words that came out of his mouth that whenever he was talking about how great new england is now i don't necessarily believe that whenever you put somebody else up you're not putting somebody else down but with him definitely stating a comp uh to other places with new england i feel like he loves that place i think he has a lot of pride in that place i think him going back there is a a beautiful thing.
And you guys spending money on seemingly the right pieces that you would want.

And then also plucking Milton out of Carolina when that was allegedly being reported as like, hey, they're finalizing a deal.

And then all of a sudden it's like, no, I don't think so, actually.

We want you up here, pal.

It's like if I'm a Patriots fan, obviously I'm very excited all the time because how much we've already won and how many parades we've already had. But at the moment, it feels like a special time almost.
I don't know about this year. I mean, who knows? Maybe.
But it feels like you guys are going to get back to being able to be the loud, obnoxious, arrogant mass holes whenever it comes to NFL conversations again as opposed to looking forward to the draft, guys, which we're not used to hearing from you all. Yeah, exactly.
And I think that's why people are so excited, you know, getting back to the more so, hey, let's compete for what really matters here at Lombardi, not the draft. And you mentioned the draft, having that fourth pick is massive.
We get like a Travis Hunter. All of a sudden you do start to believe, holy shit, we could win 11, 12 games.
You hope that they can add like a Cooper Cup or something. But to your point about Milton Williams, insane stat, I had no idea.
I just assumed this was fake and something that somebody made up because of the fact that the Patriots have won six Super Bowls, been to nine, ten of them. Milton Williams just became the highest paid player in New England Patriots history with $26 million a year, which is just insane.
Congratulations to Milton. They've done a lot up there.
We love you, Milton. We love you.

More than anybody. Yeah, truly.

Favorite player ever. If that's how you

showcase love, they certainly do.

And Bruce Brown, obviously, sent in for Ty.

Send our love to Ty and his

family. Hopefully we see him very, very

soon. Bruce, big news this morning that

Bailey McComas has illustrated beautifully.

Danny Dimes is coming to your city here.

In Indianapolis, Indiana. And

when Indiana Jones arrives, you're

going to get a chance to see him play his absolute

I'm not going to get a chance to see him play his absolute best ball. Bruce, you've been doing a great job.
Thank you. And important note on Danny Dimes coming to town.
No flip cup game is safe. He is seasoned in the sport and he is lethal on the flip cup table.
We might see him down pan a little bit. Hey, I'm okay with that.
As long as you're not missing treatment or missing meetings and showing up and working hard and, you know, they can tell how much film you're watching. All of that stuff, go flip all the fucking cups you need.
If he wants to go old school, listen, if this Duke guy wants to be an old school football player, hell, if he wants to smoke cigs on the sideline, I think he might be okay. Might loosen him up.
Just work your ass off, bud, is all anybody wants. But you're right, that Eli Manning, Danny Dimes, and the boys flip cup video, when they're playing flip cup on a round table, I believe.
Yeah. It was a round table.
It's tough to do, obviously, because of the amount of distractions and lack of area. I appreciate him getting down with the boys, having a drink with the boys.
And I'm excited to see what he does in an open competition with Anthony Richardson. Good luck to all parties.
Shane Steichen has, you know, two options at quarterback going in. Now let's go to a team that has no options at quarterback.
Currently one half of the hammer, Cowboys, AP tone, still no quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but this has been a great free agency. I believe over the last 48 hours for the Steelers Steelers, it has, for sure.
I mean, getting DK, like, it didn't matter what else happened after getting DK. We finally got the wide receiver that we have coveted for the last few years.
But yeah, now we're going to find someone to throw him in George Pickens and Pat Firemuth and Calvin Austin, the football. So, you know, we're just waiting on a decision from Aaron Rodgers, it feels likeers and the Giants are feels like it's down to those two now that you know J.J.
McCarthy is

basically you know going to be the starter in Minnesota so if Aaron doesn't come to Pittsburgh

I'm not sure what's going to happen we'll just we'll take Russ and pretend like everything's fine

but I do appreciate that whenever we talk free agency, you're strictly talking from a one-team perspective. I like that.
Yeah, just one. Hey, listen, we need one guy.
Hey, Tone, free agency is pretty good. Yeah, it could be.
We don't have a quarterback. I love that that is how invested you are right now.
No, but I am pumped that that is how you feel because I think all Pittsburgh Steelers fans expect greatness. They expect to win.
They have won. Not enough.
It feels like Pittsburgh is at the point where we want to be able to see a team on the field that can win a Super Bowl. That is what I feel like all Steelers fans won.
Yeah, we're going to have a winning season. Yeah, we're going to lose in our first round of the playoffs.
And I know there's teams that didn't make the playoffs. uh yeah we're certainly a better spot than you but we are sick of knowing that we got no shot of winning the super bowl even though we're going to win too many games to get a pick 20 in the draft so i think that's where all steelers fans are whether it's with aaron or not they just want to see a team that can win a super yes 100 to get over the hump you know it's been a long long time since they won a playoff game.
Or, you know, I saw a tweet out there that Aaron Rodgers is either going to get us over that hump or it's going to be so bad that we are finally going to get, you know, in that top five pick range and get our coveted quarterback of the future. Just so I have this understood, just so I have this understood, there's people that think Pittsburgh Steelers worse with the addition of DK Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers to the offense where it could go so bad that maybe we get a top five pick and we keep it moving strictly because of what happened with Aaron at the Jets this past year, I assume.
Yeah, people on Twitter, yes. Okay.
Well, there's people, not just on Twitter, I assume in real life that feel that. Because George Pickett doesn't run the red line.
So everyone's worried that it will just spontaneously combust and the offense will blow up. Yeah, I just, you know, at the end of the season last year, when Aaron was back to moving and felt like his, and Aaron probably thought his Achilles was back earlier in the year.
I think he probably had to feel that way to go into the season, feel confident. But at the end of the year, they look like the Jets team that the Jets fans thought they were getting maybe two years beforehand.
Let's go to nine-year NFL vet, host of Everything DB, good D, bad D. Darius J.
Butler looks super cool. They obviously every single day you look cool.
Aaron Rodgers, still a guy that can lead a team, especially if you have DK Metcalf, GP. A good offensive line, I think is what people are saying.
Growing, yes. Yeah, maybe not great yet, but has a chance to do that.
And then a Steelers defense that is always going to be good, we assume, especially if the T.J. Watt deal gets done and understood, and they bring in Darius Slade to add to that defensive side of the ball.
Special team's going to be good. It's in the AFC North, very difficult.
Do you think the Steelers have a chance? Are they one quarterback away from going on a run? I think Aaron Rodgers gives any team, and definitely the Steelers, a chance to win. I think he definitely still has a lot in the tank.
I think he was playing through some other injuries last year that he'll probably never talk about, like these OG kind of quarterbacks, just kind of how they go about their business. But the thing about it, when you're bringing an OG like this into your building, it does come with other things, not necessarily bad or good, but it just comes with other things.
So you have a building that has the leadership of a Mike Tomlin. That would be a good building, I think, for Aaron Rodgers to go into.
No way if Aaron Rodgers is playing that it's worse, in my opinion, what it was last year or the last couple years. Now, I thought you were coming from the standpoint of just not signing a quarterback and saying, fuck it, let's go into the season and go 2-15.
Well, we do have Skylar Thompson on the roster. Archie Manning.
Oh, okay. I did not know that.
Yeah. He could take snaps.

Yeah, he's got it. He has.

Hey, who knows? He could take snaps.

Give him the opportunity. He started a playoff game.

What's the deal? He can't.

I've seen him. I've got respect.
Yeah, I know. I've seen him.

He can. He started the playoffs.

In the division, though, you've got Lamar Jackson,

former MVP. Joe Burrow's been in the Super Bowl,

could be an MVP. Pretty good.
And then you've got the guy

that just won the Super Bowl. Kneeled the ball out to win the Super Bowl for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Okay, yeah. You guys had him, too.
You guys had him, too. He had to go elsewhere to go win the Super Bowl.
Yeah, Kenny Pickett's the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns right now. And there is a chance that that happens.
And the way I saw him come in and start spinning it, I forget what game it was. Commies.
Yeah, come in. I mean, Kenny Pickett has experienced a lot of things.
I assume there's been a perspective change, too, for Kenny Pickett. I think him getting out of Pittsburgh was very good for his psyche, I would assume, especially a guy coming from Jersey, went to college there, had massive success, became the guy there, goes to Pittsburgh Steelers, just the other side of the building, doesn't work out as great.
And then Pittsburgh people start saying, like, get this guy the hell out of our town. With everything he's done at the University of Pittsburgh

and wins the ACC championship for Pitt,

hasn't happened in a long time.

Then he goes to the Steelers,

this is a hometown guy, even though he's not from here.

It's a Pitt guy, going to lead this team.

Doesn't work out, that's never good.

That situation can be obviously pretty heavy.

He goes over to Philadelphia,

gets a chance to win the Super Bowl,

gets a chance to see how they operate and do their thing,

experience the highest of highs, and he was the last person to take a snap in this Super Bowl. He's now with the Cleveland Browns.
His DTR is traded over to the Philadelphia Eagles. Fascinating.
Browns are a fascinating team. Yeah.
And we will certainly watch how it goes. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, and a Ryder Cup winner, A.J.
Hawk. Yeah, Hawker.
Hawker, how you doing? Are we growing the whole hair out whole hair out is that what we're doing no i just haven't got a cut in a while hopefully maybe get a cut tomorrow we'll see yeah we're all hoping the same thing on this end uh as well uh we just talked about a lot of things don't know where you would like to pick up or chit chat about could be aaron rogers maybe leading the pit yeah i want to know what does pit do what does pittsburgh stewart what do they do if they don't sign aaron't sign Aaron? Russ. Russ is just hanging out.
Like, okay, what are Russ's other options that he could possibly do? I don't know. Like, I wonder if the Giants are having the same convos.
Like, I wonder if it's, here we go, one of you is going here, one of you is going to the other place. And if it is Russ at the Giants, you can see him mentoring somebody for a year.
Certainly. I mean, everything that we're talking about with Aaron going to the New York Giants, Russell Wilson can still spin it.
Russell Wilson has had a lot of experience, a lot of success. Russell Wilson can hopefully showcase exactly what it is to be a professional as long as somebody's willing to kind of accept it and learn about it, just like Aaron would be the same exact situation.
So I would assume, and I don't know how often it's been reported, I would assume they're talking to both guys, both teams. Yeah, seeing Tennessee as well for Russ.
That has been floated out there recently with him possibly going there to do that for Levis too. Sierra back in Nashville? Mm-hmm.
Country album on the way? Come on. Cut your teeth in Nashville.
Smart. In the country music world.
So we would assume that's what's going on with Russ. And I would say this, after having Russ on our program, I enjoy my conversation with him a lot.
I hope he has massive success. Now, it did feel like Steelers fans did not want him back in Pittsburgh.
Is that an accurate depiction? It didn't end great. Okay.
It only ended great for one team. Well.
Even the other team. It ended worse than a lot of teams.
I think we lost like five or six straight. Yeah, it got real ugly late.
However, it happened.

Which happened to Philadelphia Eagles the year before,

and then obviously they make some change,

and then they go and win a Super Bowl.

So, I mean, there's a chance.

Yeah, but that would be with Russ as quarterback.

Oh, yeah.

Well, the blueprint's out there.

You guys lost Naj.

Naj just signs with the Chargers.

Congratulations to Naj.

Getting some money to join Jim Harbaugh's team.

You know, Jim Harbaugh.

Ortiz football.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you. Congratulations to Naj getting some money to join Jim Harbaugh's team.
You know, Jim Harbaugh, Ortiz football. Oh, yeah.
We need to run it. Naj can certainly pound it.
I mean, he ran better this year, I feel like, than ever before. I don't know if there was like the moment that Eddie George had with Derrick Henry.
Remember, at the beginning of Derrick Henry's career with the Tennessee Titans, he was not the current Derrick Henry that we know. He had he had to evolve he had to change he had to get better because in high school derrick henry was obviously bigger stronger faster than everybody so he could get the edge and he could power you and stiff arm you college he was the same damn thing then he gets the nfl and although he is bigger stronger faster than everybody there's a lot bigger guys so i think he was a little bit more of a finesse runner than a power runner at the beginning he thought he could get the edge and everybody saw the same thing it's like dude you are 265 pounds just run some people over allegedly eddie george had a conversation with derrick henry eddie george former tennessee titan great now bowling green head coach former ohio state legend i still remember his big ass in that gray uh jersey on tv with those huge helmets huge shoulder pads and he is a mountain of a man allegedly he talked to derrick henry a little bit one off season was like hey i think you're missing this in your game that changed derrick henry's career i mean completely he became the most dominant running back in the league quickly the tennessee titans had massive massive success and then he would go on to the baltimore ravens to transform that offense which was already incredible he's there yet again and their season didn't end how they wanted.
Najee Harris seemingly ran his best this last season. I don't know if there was a conversation somebody had with him, like, hey, you can run like a running back that is your size.
You're allowed to be a physical guy. You can be a physical guy.
I don't think Pittsburgh Steelers fans notoriously were like, yeah, get Naj back here to be a Pittsburgh Steeler. But I think all Pittsburgh Steelers fans have a respect that Naj played his best ball this last season.
Yeah, and respect. I mean, he was there for four years, and he played 17 games every single year for four years.
So his best ability is availability. He was there every single year, rushed for 1,000 yards every single year.
Also for Naj, like three of those four years was a very, very much rebuilding offensive line. Like it didn't run behind the best offensive line.
Also not with the best offensive coordinator for a lot of time. There was a lot of shotgun, sidecar.
That's just not who Naj is. I'm excited to see what he does with the Chargers in that offense.
Yeah, and Harbaugh is going to have a plan. I mean, I assume we know what it's going to look like.
And the Chargers, I love, hey, every time the Chargers do something, I'm like, yep, they got it right. Naj's trying to somewhere else.
I'm like, I don't know if that's it. Because the Chargers, I'm like, hardball, figure it out.
Awesome. That dude wins, man.
He just wins. Yeah.
And the whole culture is bought in over there. You've been a believer for a long time.
I'm not saying, does Naj put him over the hump? What else are you looking for for this Chargers team? Why not? Yes, got to get a dynamic playmaker on the outside. Maybe two.
I love Lad and what he does, and I think he'll only get better going forward, but I think you need a guy that can take the top off of defense that causes matchup issues for defense and secondaries. Just changes the math altogether on the outside.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's pivot away from the NFL in a free agency frenzy. Hey, Jayhawk.
Let's go to the association, the NBA. And let's talk to a man who is maybe the greatest hustler in America's history, okay? Started out selling jerseys out of the backseat of his car.
Now, he's the most influential agent in the NBA, and he's the founder and CEO of an agency that represents players, most of them the highest paid at every single position, across all major sports leagues in the United States of America. Ladies and gentlemen, Rich Paul.
Yay! What's up, fellas? What's up, man? Thanks, Pat. Hustler turned board member.
Okay, Hustler turned board member. What a story.
Yeah, what a story, right? Hold on, you do have the book. Yeah, bang! Lucky me, the story of a hustler to a board member.
Rich Ball, founder of Clutch Sports. Hey, that's a sweet hat.
Is that the Clutch? Is that the K logo there? It's Clutch Athletics, not Clutch Sports. This is Clutch Athletics, totally separate.
I'll see you guys. Hold on.
Okay. My partnership with New Balance.
They sold out on Lids. They went on Lids.com.
We sold out pretty quick, but they're restoring. So you can find them at your local Lids or at Clutch.com.
Okay. So Clutch Sports is the agency in management.
Clutch Athletics is the apparel brand that you partnered up with New Balance. Yes.
Yeah. So we can sign Pat McAfee want to yeah you could and we'll see i'm also said hustler to board member and uh we can have a good negotiation i'll say the logo looks sweet i'll say the hat looks awesome and all the jumpsuits i went through your website the other night look good feels like you're murdering life uh rich and we would like to say congrats now let's get into some ball let's get into some ball shall we your name obviously was said by steven a in his apology to or his explanation of the situation with lebron james in the nba it feels like players media fans much more intertwined because of the proximity of the fans and everything to the sport for the lack of the helmet and also the coverage is only on a few people how do you feel about the situation between LeBron and Stephen A and how often has this thing happened over the past that maybe has been diffused like how many different situations with NBA players wanting to say something to somebody that said something out of pocket has been diffused that we never hear about.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I didn't think it was much, but I think that, you know, as adults, you try to handle things the best way possible. And so I was glad they were able to move on.
But, you know, it's tough. You know, anytime you have media platforms and there's so many today and these guys, you know, as much as critique, sometimes the critique could be felt as if it's a little bit more than that.
And so there's a balance there to try to maintain. And so, you know, for me, I just try to focus on the business of it and keep the personal stuff away.
But, you know, sometimes you have those things, but we've moved on and it was a dust up and we moved on. Happy to hear that.
And I think what we've seen over the last last couple weeks here, you know, at the NBA All-Star Game, I think I talked to you around there with what hockey did with the Four Nations and how the different directions it kind of went with the conversations. I was legitimately worried about the NBA.
I'm like, I don't know how they get out of this. It feels like people have turned.
Over the last few weeks, it feels like players have defended themselves a little bit more. It feels like players have talked a little bit more.
And I think with that massive trade of Luka to L.A., it feels like there's been a lot more interest in the NBA and conversation and chatter. Do you agree with that? It feels like the NBA has kind of right, kind of the course of everything and how it's going.
Yeah, but I also, I would have liked to see some people on the platforms that they lead protect the NBA a little bit more. You know, having guys come on platforms and speak about the NBA as if they know enough about the NBA and critique in a way in which was a little bit misleading for the viewership.
I was a little disappointed in that. You know, these guys, they play a lot of basketball.
They obviously try their best. And, you know, there's no question.
I've spoken to Adam a number of times, and there's no doubt he's trying to do his best to turn the All-Star weekend around. But I just thought that what came out of that was a little bit misleading, especially for those that don't play this game.
But I agree with you. There is some excitement around the game.
Obviously, trades and things like that shakes things up and gets people interested. I think that's a bigger thing to pay attention to, as well as free agency.
Those are really big platforms for our sport. And, you know, the game is great.
And I think that when you speak about the game, it's great to critique it, you also have to give it give it as flowers it's changed a lot of lives including mine and so many others and so we're appreciative of that yeah and the level of play right now is absurd I mean it's a it's absolutely insane the amount of talent we've watched these old documentaries and I don't want to speak for current basketball players but my take legitimately I think for the last five years since we've been doing this entire conversation and as you know sports media for a while was is MJ or LeBron the greatest of all time that was like years of conversation actual years of conversation currently I'm not I guess it's still happening I guess it's still bringing it still bringing it in the entire conversation the tiring conversation yes certainly. But I'm not a big basketball guy, so I was always confused because I watched The Last Dance and I watched some of these other documentaries.
I grew up in Pittsburgh. I didn't grow up in a basketball or NBA town.
When I watched basketball back then versus basketball now, we're talking about two different sports. It is a very – same game, obviously, same concepts, but the way it's being played is so vastly different and it's like what's happening now you got guys like when jordan and i look i mean shit okay so i am i am a fan of this entire thing when he dunked from the foul line from my understanding place went crazy holy shit yeah this guy dunked from the foul line you got guys that might be able to dunk from a high school three-point line coming up here in like a year and a half exactly so it's just a different game it's like it's like yeah it's like the black and white tv and like the iphone is you know that's the evolution of it is what it is and i think that you know for those that's that have the platforms to talk about the sport they're going to always lean and be biased towards when they played and or the previous years, but it's supposed to get better.
You know, just like anything in life, you know, when you look at the cars, the Model T today is now we have electric cars, or the Model T of yesterday, today we have electric cars. It used to be horseback riding.
Everything is different, you know, Walkmans to iPods to now we have iTunes. Everything is different, right? Taxis to Ubers.
There's an evolution, right? And so we have to allow that to be the same in our sport and not just try to judge these guys and have them chase goats all the time. We have great players in the league, as you can see.
Look at the Cavs. Look at what Boston's been able to maintain and do.
Look at OKC and what Shea is doing leading that team. Jokic is, I mean, phenomenal.
Giannis. And the list goes on and on and on, and that's just to name a few, in addition to the guys that we already know, the older guys that has some consistency there.
And so, you know, you hate to hear it, but they get paid the big bucks to talk about it it's again it's not all true this idea that these guys couldn't play in the 80s and 90s that's false you know um you know you just go back and watch when some of those guys that played in the 90s were still there in the early 2000s when guys like uh lj and others came in they were stuck in the mud on defense. They couldn't defend them.
You know, you had guys, no one ever had to face a team that was all five positions. A guy was 6'7 and above with the ability to dribble, pass, and shoot.
Yeah, but Kuzi, dude. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Kuzi. No, just respect it.
No, no, listen. One thing about me, I'm a historian of the game.
I respect all those that came before. But you got to allow the guys to tell it and tell the truth while doing it.
You know, guys like Isaiah Thomas. Kuzi was great.
Kuzi was great for his time. Invented it.
Yeah, Kuzi was great for his time. Pistol Pete was great for his time.
But, you know, what would Kyrie Irving do in that time? That would have would have been so much fun to watch by the way they didn't even make the shoes to be able to handle the style of play for a guy like Kyrie they didn't have the shoes from the play in let alone you know so you know we want to be respectful to the ones that come before but but we have to give the flowers to these guys today. We have just – see what Ja did the other day? It's incredible.
I mean, come on, man. Like, you can't – And be good whenever Ja's playing.
Ja is a lightning rod whenever it comes to playing basketball. And obviously, we watched him hopefully mature in front of us in real time in the spotlight.
But whenever he's on the court, it's electrifying. He'll double pump that.
You know, I'm not dunking anymore. He said that, what, two days later he did a double pump baseline on a guy's head.
And it's like, yeah, this dude is maybe one of the shortest guys in the league. But instead he has the most confidence and ability to fly.
Yeah, we agree. We're on your side in this entire thing.
And also, this does not mean that Michael Jordan couldn't play in today's game. Michael Jordan couldn't play any sport

that he wanted to play in any

era. So that's how I feel.
Now,

let's talk about the current

game. Number one headline in

the NBA right now in the talking point.

Obviously, SGA is a guy. Cavs

is the Celtics are doing it. LeBron

James hurts his groin whenever the Lakers

are playing their absolute best basketball

with him and Luka seemingly starting to

gel perfectly. And J.J.
Redick

Thank you. is the Celtics are doing it.
LeBron James hurts his groin whenever the Lakers are playing their absolute best basketball with him and Luka seemingly starting to gel perfectly and J.J. Redick seemingly putting together the perfect starting five with a bench that is loaded.
Now, is that all put on hold for one to two weeks with a groin strain? What do you think this kind of ends up being for LeBron? And long-term, how much does this slow down the development of the Lakers this season, do you think, Rich? Well, I think you have to manage it. Obviously, you see reports that's out there, and you were able to pay attention to LeBron in terms of his post-game interview.
He knows his body better than anybody, so we kind of have to follow him there. But, look, you know, he played a lot of basketball.
All these guys, we forget the Olympics. They played across our league.
So there's been a lot of basketball played for the older guys. When you have this type of injury, you have to manage it properly.
You know, unfortunately, AD had the same thing, a little bit different. But he even mentioned that, you know, soon he did it.
That's the first thing he thought about. Or the second thing he thought about was that.
So you have to manage it with grace. Obviously, the Lakers had a tough schedule coming up.
I think they got six games in eight nights or something like that, and they play some pretty top-heavy teams. They got the number six schedule, most difficult schedule to finish the season out.
It's tough. Look, they have a lot of work to do regardless whether he was there or not in terms of just with the roster.
But those guys have been playing an unbelievable game of basketball. And J.J.
has those guys prepared. They lost the other night by not being prepared.
I didn't think they executed well on either side of the floor. And they were not able to beat the Nets last night.
But that comes from, I think, in some cases, not respecting your opponent. There's still the NBA, and anybody can beat you on any given night.
But you've got to handle it with grace. And so I won't put a timetable on it.
I'll let LeBron decide what's to be done there. He has a great trainer and medical staff with the Lakers, and Mike Mancini's lead staff for him.
And so, you know, I'll just be lockstep with those guys. Okay, so LeBron and LeGroin, we're pulling for the quick, speedy recovery because LeBron Cic was a fun era to watch.
And last question for me on that before the boys have some, Rich. How does, you know, because the thought is, will LeBron be able to play with a guy who is so ball dominant like Luka and obviously Kyrie point guard he and Kyrie were able to have massive amount of success but would LeBron be able to handle playing alongside a guy like Luka it looked like it was working out perfectly why do you think that is the case why do you think LeBron and Luka were a good mix early on and starting to have success almost immediately well I, I think whether it's LeBron and Luka or anybody else, I think it's just when you have high IQ, you're able to adjust.
And, you know, in terms of being able to take somebody off the ball that used to being on the ball, if they have an understanding of when to cut, you know, when to seal, when to set a screen, how to come out of those screens, you know, have the ability to catch and shoot. And now you turn a guy like LeBron into your secondary playmaker.
That's pretty tough for anybody. I think any coach, anybody just knowledgeable to game would say, you know, that's a pretty tough thing because now, you know, you got one of the best playmakers ever, if not the best becoming your secondary playmaker.
You know, that's just tough to defend. So, you know, again, I don't get into all the experts, but, you know, I know the game enough to know that when you have a great IQ and you have great habits and you understand how to play the game for others, you can make anything work.
JJ seemingly a good coach too. I mean, that was obviously a question early, and we have heard stories about how competitive he is.
and he told us a story one time whenever he was at duke he was back at his girlfriend's house at a different state i forget what state it was maybe iowa or something like that wisconsin and he was working out at a local gym and some kid talked shit on him and didn't know who he was and he said he beat him 11-0 then he played again 11-0 11-0 11-0, like J.J. Redick is like an absurd competitive human being like everybody is at the top so whenever I heard he wanted to get into coaching I assumed he would have the work ethic to do as such but would he have the players respect? Would he have the ability? Obviously he does is that normal that a guy is just able to pick up coaching like this? We saw Missoula obviously get dropped in as a young lad but he coached in college and kind of worked his way up yeah but when you look at missoula when you look at jj you look at you know when you demand effort and energy um you know when you when you when players look at your habits as well they look at how you prepare and you you demand that respect right away uh and so i think one of the best things jj did right away was he he, he kind of waged himself in between two ex head coaches and, and Scotty and, and, and Nate McMillan.
And so that's, that's him having an understanding and wherewithal of the position he was in as a first time head coach. And so, you know, you're not always, you don't always have to do that..
But but it's good to have that around you.

T. Lou did it as well with Coach Drew.

And so, yeah, you know, there's no doubt that he could be successful.

And the success isn't always in the win and loss column.

You know, it's about really just how you develop in these guys and how you prepare coming out of timeouts and things of that nature in game adjustments and stuff like that. And so he's been able to have some success there.
I know he's not satisfied knowing him. And when you see those young coaches like that, whether it's in OKC in Boston, even the job that Mitch is doing down in San Antonio with all the injuries and things like that, when you watch those guys play, even Jordy, even with the Nets, when you watch these guys play,

those kids are playing hard.

The young men are playing hard every night.

And, you know, they're in the game.

They're coming out of timeouts and executing properly.

And sometimes talent just beats you. But in these cases, you're trying to watch the habits of guys

and see which guys you can keep and which areas you need to replace.

And so, yeah, he's doing a great job as well as others around the league.

Guys are smacking the wood for these guys. Hell yeah.
Yeah, We like that. You know, no free buckets over here, Rich.
Okay? No free buckets over here. I like everything about it.
And J.J. just at the press conferences speaks his mind, on the sidelines speaks his mind.
I like how he has just assumed the role. Like you are head coach, this is how you go.
Obviously, he had Coach K. He had plenty of great coaches that he's been been able to learn from you talk about the head coaches he has on staff we're happy for jj because he was great on tv too yeah oh yeah great on tv and doing a great job as a head coach d-butt has a question for you rich yeah rich been in the business a long time so it seems like you know you know the bigger markets are kind of always going to dominate you know what's talked about on tv but how do you feel about the overall coverage especially this year in the NBA with the Cavs pretty much dominant and then OKC dominating on the other side and being in smaller markets? Yeah, I think, look, OKC and the Cavs are doing an unbelievable job.
They're some of the best basketball to watch. It's fun to watch.
Guys are spraying the ball around, having fun, rooting for each other. I think the camaraderie they have amongst the teammates is incredible.
We watch it every night. I don't miss many games.
And so that backcourt and even the bigs that the Cavs have, but Darius and Donovan has really been leading that charge there, the resurgence, not the resurgence, the surgence of a guy like Evan Mobley and how he's just grown his game, which was no surprise to me, honestly. And then when you talk about just guys like Jared Allen, who's able to be a pro and take a step back and allow his teammates to have the success and him rooting them on as well.
He probably should have four all-stars this year. They went and added DeAndre Hunter, who was big for that team.
And then the work that Ty Jerome and just all those guys do night in and night out. You know, they haven't played their best basketball over the last six, seven games, and yet still they've been able to come out with the win on a 14-game winning streak.
So that's been incredible. When you look at OKC, again, led by Shea, who's probably going to be the MVP, is right there with him and Jokic.
But I would love to see him win it this year after not winning it last year. But, you know, again, any given night.
They set their whole starters the other night, still came out with the win. I think Jalen Williams, the other Jalen Williams, the big, had a triple-double.
And, you know, you just see selfless basketball with those guys. And it's not necessarily about the name on the back of the jersey.
They're really doing it for the name on the front. And when you run an organization like Presti and the job that Kobe Altman and those guys are doing, this is what you want to see.
At the same time, we've still got to have a balance. You still want the big markets to do well, the New Yorks.
Obviously, Chicago's not where you would want it to be, but the L.A.s and then step-for in that market. And so it's been a good year for the league.
You know, I pay attention to all, not just, you know, my guys, the guys I represent or the stat sheets every night, but the business and how because we all benefit from it. And so I think it's important to care about it enough.
And the parity in the league is great. And again, we can't forget about boston you know they they are doing an unbelievable job of you know of leading as defending champs uh they're still a team that obviously in in everyone's opinion are probably the favorite to beat until somebody actually beat them they've earned that right and so it's great man it's great it's great it's great basketball but the real season is in a couple weeks or weeks or a month and a half, I must say.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is.
Rich, what do you think the game looks like over the next three, four, five years? Like coming from a football background, a lot of us on this show, like football, it continues to evolve. But also we see a lot of old school things that continue to come back.
In basketball, we have so many young studs all over the world, not just America. Like how does game look over the next three, four, five years? Do you think it changes drastically? Little things here, there.
What's your thoughts? That depends on the players. Look, I think when you get paid a lot of money, that can be the end-all, be-all.
I think the care for the game, your approach, your professionalism, how you conduct yourself matters. The things within the things within the game and, you know, the integrity that you carry matters.
And so the league can be whatever the players want it to be. You know, I think the league has to be looked at as a partner.
It can't just be looked at as a bank. And I've said that before several times.
And I also said it to my guys, guys you know there's a responsibility and accountability that comes with being a professional athlete it's even a higher level of that that comes with being a star or a budding star or you know one of the legendary guys in the league and I know we had that face the league conversation and I don't think there's going to be a next, quote-unquote, face-to-the-league. I think there'll be a community, just like it was when Jordan left in 98.
It became a community. And so I think we should embrace that.
It's not naming somebody. If it becomes one face, then that's because that person earned it.
But I think it comes in. It's multifaceted.
But I look forward to it. I'm really just enjoying a lot of these guys and I'm glad they're getting their flowers, but there is, I do want them to remember there's a responsibility.
Some days you have to play hurt. Some days you have to, you know, everyone's not a hundred percent when you get to this part of the season.
And so, but you know, I think the league is in a good spot. Obviously they got the the TV deal done.
And, you know, I think there are some things we could improve on. Like everything else in life, none of us are perfect.
We're all under construction. So, it's just a matter of how we want to improve.
And so, you know, we'll see. But I'll do my part for sure, whether it's for my clients or whatever Adam whatever adam you know leans on um my um not necessarily advice but any type of opinion that i may have or or whatnot um i'm a creative at heart and so at the end of the day i'm always thinking the next thing and how to evolve and how to better position ourselves okay so i love to hear that by the way in the line about using the league not as a bank is one that is you know awesome to hear because i think that's a great way to describe potentially not just nba it happens in all sports not just the nba big time professions i think uh the way you talk about the league is coming from a guy who obviously cares about it a lot uh wants it to have success.
And I think after our first convo is with you,

I don't think a lot of people fully understand about you.

The way you talk to your clients, like, hey, we got to do this.

We got to play a little bit injured.

Like, I don't think that is the normal first thought about NBA players as a whole or about you, because all it is is Rich Paul runs the NBA.

Which Paul is this?

Which Paul is that?

And that's, yeah.

And that's not true. You know that.
I mean, look, I'm not a tiptoe agent. I'm not a stat sheet agent.
That's not what I do. I think it's important to educate these guys and hold them accountable and responsible for their actions.
And they do the same for you. You know, oftentimes, if you're in my position, you know, you try to create this yes environment so you can keep a client.
That's not the type of business I built, and that's not the type of business I lead.

You know, today is AD's birthday, by the way, so we should say happy birthday to AD.

Happy birthday, AD. Godspeed.
Godspeed.

Wherever you end up, maybe Rich knows, actually.

Wherever you end up or however this all goes, happy birthday and Godspeed.

No, he's in Dallas. He'll be fine.

You know, he's embracing it.

Again, he had that injury as well.

You know, it's unfortunate Kyrie went down, but, you know, AD, he's in Dallas. He'll be fine.
You know, he's embracing it. Again, he had that injury as well.
You know, it's unfortunate Kyrie went down, but, you know, AD, he's progressing properly, and we'll see where it leads. You know, one thing about AD, he loves to play the game.
He wants to play the game. And so as we see the first two quarters that he had against Houston, you know, when he first got to Dallas was what that could look like.
And so that excitement was there, and unfortunately, he went down with an injury. But he's progressing properly, so we'll see i'll be able to get get next to him at some point and see how he's feeling but um we keep an open mind about everything but yeah you know it's it's it's it's one of those things where you know um if you want something to to to be in a great position then you have to really you know handle it care.
Just like you do anything else.

The grass is greenest where you water it.

That's what they say.

The grass is greener, the grass is greener,

it's greener wherever you want it to be.

That is the answer.

Hopefully the NBA continues to be a league that is led by folks like you

behind the scenes that love it

and want the water to be, or the green,

you get it.

It's not a bully thing though, Pat.

You know that. We talk about it a lot.
It's not a bully thing, though, Pat. You know that.

We talk about it a lot.

It's not a bully thing for me.

Yeah, of course.

It's an insightful thing, you know.

I know everything about the league and the ins and outs of it,

the business around it and things of that nature.

But this also is my 24th year around it.

It's my 24th season.

Wow, you look like you're 25.

Yeah, it's not like, you know, people think, oh, he just got in. Or obviously, LeBron opportunity.
But it's going to my 13th season on my own as leading the agency. And then my 24th season.
But AJ, while I got you, we had a clutch football. Had a great day yesterday.
Between Garrett and Bynum and Chase and Milton Williams and Byron Murphy we had a great great I'm happy for my my uh my leadership group over there our agents and obviously Zeke and Bilbo and and um you know Rick Roberts Kelton Crenshaw and then obviously Nicole and the job that they're doing and so what you know the football group yeah what's going on what's going on you're taking you're taking over the NFL too now well we're not trying to take it over. We just want to be able to exist within, you know, and represent the guys we represent and be able to represent guys like you had, like yourself, AJ, and others.
And so we're young in the business, but we've been impactful throughout the years. And I think this year we had 28 people invited to the combine.
We should have the first two rounds or three rounds of the draft. We should be pretty heavily slotted there to have some impact there.
And, you know, we're just trying to continue to grow. But we got a good group.
We got a good group. We got all two, you know, from Jayden and Devontae and a lot of the guys we have in the Eagles, Milton winning the Super Bowl, now to the draft combine, 28 people invited, and then also now free agency.
So it's been great. It's been great.
I'm excited, man. I never thought we would be in this position when we started the company in 2012, but it's been great.
It's been great. I'm really appreciative.
You know, we can't be us without the clients allowing us the opportunity. So we're always thankful for that.
Yeah, I'm Rich Paul, and I'm just here to just kind of be a part. That is all.
That's all. Just thankful and lucky to be here.
You know, we had three guys on the Super Bowl and obviously reset the market whenever they were signing. Just signed the biggest contract in the history of the New England Patriots.
Myles Garrett, I don't know if you heard this, he's getting quarterback money now. He's defensive end.
So we're trying to get into the NFL. It's a great league.
It's a team effort. Don and DJ really backed our agents, and we was able to come through for a lot of the guys.
I know the Myles Garrett thing, I was glad that we were able to turn it around. Nicole did a great job leading that group there.
Jimmy and Andrew Barry, I was glad we was glad, you know, we was able to turn that around. You know, I'm from Cleveland.
Obviously I'm a Browns fan, a huge Browns fan. Jimmy and I, you know, talk pretty often and Andrew is someone that, that, you know, we represent.
So it's always, that's a little difficult, but I was able to, I'm glad we were able to come, come around and, you know, Miles deserves it, man. He really deserves it.
He's the ultimate professional. There's nothing wrong with a guy wanting to win, but like you said, the grass ain't always greener, and so I was I'm glad he was able to stick around.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, he's about to run the NFL. This is about to happen to happen.
Like, this feels like as you start rattling off names in situations.

You know, I'm from Cleveland.

Talked to Hazem a little bit.

He was part of the deal.

Andrew Barry, great guy.

I love everything about it.

How many different ownership groups, you know, is Clutch Sports potentially in?

I would assume.

Well, now it's becoming so, you know, so much synergy between, you know,

owners being a part of the NFL and the NBA. And so It's kind of like a one-stop shop, pretty much.
Are you doing NIL stuff, too, or no? Yeah, we're doing NIL. We're approaching it a little bit different.
We don't try to crowd the space with it. We do have a lot more on the basketball side because you've got to get in so early.
But the NIL piece, we really focus on development. From an NFL and collegiate NIL perspective on the football side, we're just now starting to really get some bearings around it and figure out how we want to approach it, what the strategy around it is.
I think NIL can be misleading for a lot of these young men and their families. They make it a cash grab which i think is the beginning of developing a bad habit and not valuing expertise and so we want to handle that with care it's a very slippery slope in ios i'm happy for the kids getting the money but you know we got to get it the right way and so um you know we'll see we'll see i got some ideas good luck yeah i'm sure you do i sure you do.
Can't wait to watch it all unfold. Let's get back to the NBA now.
Boston, Connor has a question for you. Yeah, Rich, you should tell Mel Williams.
We love him already in New England. He's going to be a superstar no matter what.
Let's go. He's one of our favorite players already.
But with the New England area, obviously the Boston Celtics are a massive part of the sports culture. And, you know, we asked Tyrese Halliburton about this, kind of just the discourse around Jason Tatum.
Obviously people don't really like him and he went to Duke and, you know, the Celtics aren't a team that many people like, but it seems like every other night someone is saying something, you know, derogatory about Jason Tatum. On Saturday night, you know, obviously he, he elbowed LeBron pretty bad, almost broke his jaw.
But more so, people were kind of pointing at, wow, Jason Tatum played 42 minutes. This guy, this was their game seven, where those same people who are saying that are bitching and moaning about guys not playing every night.
So you really just can't win, it feels like, with Tatum. You mentioned being in the league and being involved in the league for 24 years.
Why do you think a player like Tatum kind of gets this much flack publicly from people when they're talking about him, especially when the records that he's set before turning the age of 27 predominantly were records that only LeBron was involved in? Because he's drama free. You know, I think people like drama, obviously.
And he's drama free. He plays the game the right way.
And he's a dream client. You know, I know Jason Tatum.
I know I know him very well. And so, you know, it's hard to appease everybody.
But if I was coaching Jason Tatum, I play him 48 minutes. he's just that good.
So, you know, this idea of, you know, it's hard to appease everybody, but if I was coaching Jason Tatum, I'd play him 48 minutes. He's just that good.
So, you know, this idea of, you know, people not liking Jason Tatum because he's so accomplished and he goes to work and go home. To me, that sounds like the perfect client.
Yeah, I can imagine. And Boston's thinking the same exact thing.
Oh, yeah, we love him. We love this guy.
Yeah, we all think he's the face of the league. You watch the NBA.
Yeah, I mean, he's definitely one of them. He's definitely one of them.
Look, he's won. He's been to multiple Eastern Conference championships.
He's an Olympic gold medalist. Wow.
He's a perennial all-star. He's a perennial all-NBA guy.
Again you you again people gonna have things to say about you

no matter how accomplished you may be but i tell you one thing in any part of our business if you

can have a jason tatum you want a jason tatum you want to you want to coach him you want to be a

you want him on your team you want him as a client if you're in my position um if you're a brand you

you know you want to associate yourself with him so there's there's so many so you know like

Thank you. your team you want them as a client if you're in my position um if you're a brand you know you want to associate yourself with them so there's there's so many so you know like again i i don't understand what goes through the mindset of people but we see all these platforms and we know what gets to clicks we know what gets to aggregations and things like that people love drama and you know and so they're attracted to that i'm personally not attracted to that i'm actually a vegan when it comes to that type of stuff so no we don't want any beef brother no yeah no not at all but you know it's all good uh tatum we watched that what i was gonna say is we watched that docuseries it's like the big takeaways this guy's boring this guy's a nerd this guy's boring nerd and you talked about the the clicks and then you mentioned another word the aggregators is where the world is now the people that are aggregating news and they have a lot of a big platform and i guess we could be considered an aggregator of sorts but there's people that you know take things put them out of context and then they're seen by a lot of people and then that's the story all of a sudden even though we're near true no it's like there's some truth to it, but the way it is delivered completely different in how people read it in the context, it's like that's a real part of our society now.
That is, I mean, I'm on the receiving end of it a lot. I read it like that's kind of.
Yeah, I mean, I think we all are, Pat. We're all on the receiving end of it, and that's part of it.
And so, again, look, we can't expect everyone to be like somebody else,

right?

There's a lot of things that God gave,

give these guys,

but he can't give them everything.

So at the end of the day,

Jason Tatum,

whether you think he's not exciting or not great,

then don't,

don't,

don't buy into his excitement,

buy into somebody else's excitement and buy into the things that he actually does.

Well,

that's how I look at it.

Hell yeah.

Don't look for him for excitement.

Consummate optimist, Rich Paul. we're wrapping up here on espn we'll continue on youtube espn plus disney plus and tiktok live this is rich paul founder and ceo of clutch sports conversation with him continues for a few more moments and then we'll wrap up today's stories in the next hour be a friend tell a friend something nice it might.
It might change their life. Rich, you've done a really good job here.
You've done really good. We'll continue on digital.
Goodbye. See, you went for it too early.
Had eight seconds. Had to fill there at the end.
We're off of TV. We are now just on digital.
Last question for me, Rich, and we can't thank you enough for joining us. Well, I guess I have two.
Will we see you next week? And have you wrote any new songs for Adele? I know you said that. No, no, no songs.
And then let's see what happens next week. Yeah, I would love to come on and talk the game.
You know, I love to talk the game. And so if we can make it work with every, I know sometimes things pop up, you know, impromptu for you guys.
And so just let me know. I love the show.
I love the show, I love hanging out with you guys talking the game, I don't want to just talk about my clients, I love to talk about the game so this is fun for me I like these reps we appreciate you and we like you we think you are a great American dream story and obviously, is a wonderful tale for anybody

and we would love to chat

with you. And what he was talking about with the impromptu thing is

we're supposed to have him on last week.

I completely forgot. And then

I had to send him a text. This guy's super

businessman. He's got agencies all over the place.
He'd be like,

hey, Rich, yeah, I forgot. That's just

100% on me. I do apologize.

I don't take none of it personally. Don't worry about that.

I'll make sure to get you guys out some gear, some

hats, and please

support Clutch.com, man. We think we've got

I'm apologize. I don't take none of it personal.
Don't worry about that. I'll make sure to get you guys out some gear, some hats.
Yes. And, you know, please support Clutch.com, man.
We think we got a real opportunity in this sportswear brand space. And, you know, I'm excited about it.
I'm excited about it. Got some cool things coming up, Pat.
Some cool things coming up. Happy to hear that.
I assume you're going to have cool things coming up forever because just the way your mind works. And we will buy this shit so we support the biz, brother.

Hell yeah.

We don't need you to send anything.

I appreciate that.

We will support the biz.

If you want to send some hats now.

Yeah, I need one of those fucking hats.

Yeah, I'll send some hats for you guys supporting.

You got nephews, you got nieces, you got birthday presents and graduations.

You got all those different things.

So it's all good. I appreciate it.

All right. We're proud of you, brother.
We don't know you as well as maybe others. Incredibly proud of you.
And thank you for joining us, ladies and gentlemen. The founder of Clutch Sports and Clutch Athletics, Rich Paul.
Yeah, Rich. Yeah, we're just trying to, you know, fit in.
Just be a part of it. Be a part of it.
Miles Garrett, Nicole Lynnez 40 million a year yeah max crosby just got 35 and a half million oh that's cute yeah i i know what the i know what the market's saying we're just telling you what it's going to take and that when you get to that point of negotiation that's the best you know and we've obviously been at every stage of this business from hey uh here's a link let's count how many people you actually have watching the show to get into business with people and paying you per usage of your link, which is the very beginning of the digital marketing world into maybe a little bit bigger deal with more comps and reads into, hey, this is what you have to read. This is what you have to do this many times whenever you do this.
So now where we're at, it's great to be at this spot.

And it is really good to be at this position of business,

which it feels like Rich Paul is all the time whenever he gets into the business.

I know what you're saying.

I'm just telling you what it's going to take.

Like, this is what it's going to take.

This is just what it is.

So we happen to know the numbers as well, and this is the number.

Well, that doesn't make any sense. Okay, don't have to do it.
Once again, this is just what it is. So we happen to know the numbers as well.
And this is the number. Well, that doesn't make any sense for it.
Okay. Don't have to do it.
Once again, this is completely okay. We're just letting you know that this is what it's going to take.
And for Miles Garrett, getting that deal, going back to Cleveland, I hope they do have success. Genuinely.
I hope they do have success. And I don't know how.
Okay. I don't know if they are set up to in any fashion with that quarterback deal that they signed just a few years ago, eating up the market, and now with this deal, obviously being as big as it is, even though this number, four defensive ends and pass rushers are going to get here probably within the next two, three years anyways, regardless of this particular deal happening.
But are the Browns set up for success? We have no idea, but I hope so. They got a pathway.
It's hitting on your quarterback. If you hit a quarterback, that can change shit real quick.
We saw it in Houston. So, you know, you hit on a quarterback in this draft or whenever you get one, and they can definitely change the title of the franchise.
But just talking about Rich, like you would think being an NBA agent, obviously starting off being – well, not starting off, but being LeBron's agent, the face of the league for the last two decades and then just being in that sweet spot where you're almost like to scott boris like he is a baseball that's what rich is in nba for him to even be in the spot where it's like you know i want to do more i want to do i want to get to the nfl i want to have apparel i want to have these deals with new balances just kind of let you know where his mind is business while crazy yeah non-stop you know if you're driving around uh stop stop with jerseys in your trunk selling them okay you you obviously have like these these kids who sell shoes nowadays like there's early indications of a hustler like directly in front if this person is willing to do this to make eight bucks on this particular and you know everybody kind of mocked the whole thing a while. But like Gary Vee talking about the garage sales and the yard sales and going and getting something for $10 and then selling it for $14 on Marketplace.
Boom, you just made $4. Now, did you lose that in gas traveling to this place? Potentially.
But in the end, you know, like that type of stuff, Rich is always going to have some sort of angle. What's the angle? Rich is going to have an angle.
But the way he talks about it, he tries to do it the right way, I think. It feels like he's trying to do it all the right way, which I appreciate.
And that's like Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders is an old-school football coach.
Like, he is. He's an old-school football coach.
He expects this. He expects this.
You're going to act this way. This is how you're going to operate.
Yada, yada, yada. That is what he is.
But everybody, because he's so flashy see the behind the scenes vlogs whenever he's with his kids and his family they don't know that they don't understand that so they just assume oh he's running soft operation up there it's like that's not the case at all and i think with people with rich paul they're like well he's lebron's friend and he's just friends with all these people it's like i don't think that's how rich paul operates at all i think if you learn more about how he does he's an old school type business guy it feels like whenever you chat with him and uh the way he's like i want to hold my guys accountable and teach them like this how we go and for college nil he says i don't want to just chase a bag like let's do this the right way so we learn stuff i think we need more of that in society legit aj i think we need more of that in society he's super professional like every time you see him anywhere like he seems to be super professional and he doesn't take things personally. It's about business.
I would assume he has great relationships with all the front office people in the NBA, NFL, probably every other professional sports league now too. Rich runs the league, Con Man.
He doesn't like us to say it. It's not a bully.
I just have conversations. Well, and that's the other thing too..
Like, he said, you know, the NBA and NFL crossover with ownership. Like, you would assume at some point LeBron's going to get a basketball team.
And everyone said, like, you know, the Vegas team, if they eventually get an NBA team, that is something, you know, LeBron wants to be a part of. And you would assume Rich Paul and Maverick Carter and those guys that are part of LeBron's team would also be involved in those ownership conversations when it comes to an NBA expansion team.
So you kind of can see he carries himself almost like an owner already in how he does business and everything, and he's just incredibly successful. A vegan.
A vegan of beef to the beef. I love that.
Vegan to the drum. Yeah.
They had a little dust up.

Happy they both moved on.

Is that true?

I don't know.

He's just like, yep, they did.

They did.

Let's move.

What are we doing here?

LeBron was laughing about it.

Not outside, boys.

What are we?

Let's keep this.

Let's keep it moving here.

He's like that with everything.

I've called him a couple times off air whenever something's happened. And he's just like, don't love that we all know that this is happening.
Like, that's always his kind of like, let's just come on. This game has been good to us.
It's all been, we are living great lives right now because of this. Let's not let bullshit kind of get in the way.
And let's make sure we take care of it, which I respect. We have a bag in Dallas!

The greatest example of the new dynamic kickoff

was by this man, formerly

of the XFL, I do believe.

The Cowboys are now finalizing a three-year

$18 million deal with wide

receiver and return specialist,

Kevontae Turpin, making

the NFL's highest-paid special teamer.

Sources tell Tom Pelissero and

Jane Slater. Darren Jones of Maven Sports and Derek Gilmore of Day One Sports and Entertainment did the deal.
Two agents, one returner, highest paid special teamer in the history. Do you think they each get 1.5%? Do you think that is? And how do two different agencies work together? And if two different agencies are working together, are they one agency? Interesting questions from me for all of these things.
But with being said congrats to turpin man did not have an easy road obviously to become a very wealthy and successful football player he has earned it along the way for being absolutely electrifying wide receiver obviously has the ability to get the ball in his hands and make some time or make some hay if they give him some space but as a return specialist especially with this new kickoff and with punt return and everything they got going on i love everything about it uh turban's awesome but did you happen to see now i didn't fully vet the tweet uh but the three-year 18 that's what six million dollars a year yep yeah you see a tweet that the cowboys have not signed a free agent in 10 years that has been more than six million dollars a year i did see that tweet as I did not vet the tweet either, but we did see that age. And that's kind of been the topic of discussion with Jerry Jones.
He says he's going all in. He says he's going all in.
This guy never does anything. Interesting, bringing somebody in from the outside, more than $6 million a year.
Interesting with the Dallas Cowboys. Nonetheless, they keep Turpin, who's a weapon age.
It makes me think of, was it Bill Belichick said on this show, or maybe with the Mannings, when some team kicked to Turpin, and Belichick lost his mind. He just couldn't believe that he actually kicked it right down the middle.
Whenever I think of Turpin, I think of Bill being so distraught in the fact that they kicked it right down the middle, too. That's probably not a good idea.
It's on this show. It's like week two.
As a punter, I mean... I was like, you're right.
Yeah, you're right, Bill. Why would you kick the ball to that guy? AJ, what would you do every time you punt? Right out of bounds.
Give me about maybe a 49-yarder out of bounds. Perfect.
I love it. I could not do the out of bounds.
I did not have that much control. I could get it into spaces for sure.
I did 49-yard, like 4'9", 4'8", hang, fair catch. That was my go-to.
That's good. That works too.
For sure. Yeah, you give up the 65-yard bombs that make people go ooh, you know.
So you just have to come out early for warm-ups and let people know you still got it, okay? Listen, you still got it. I'm playing the course today, but I want to let you know, the big driver is still out there.
I'm going to be hitting a lot of three-wood today, okay? You're going to see it. And that's for the benefit of our team that we're out here.
But just know it's still in there if we need it. That was the last five years of my career.
Does the directional take a little more time?

It gives you more chance to get it blocked?

The only reason why directional would affect the block is if

you were to get out of the pocket. If you get out

of the pocket, now that everybody runs a 4-5

or quicker, that is on special teams block team,

the edge comes a little bit quicker.

The edge comes a little bit tighter.

Staying in the pocket matters. Sometimes

whenever people are kicking directional, they go out of the pocket and then boom, they get taken advantage of on a short angle or a short end or whatever. Time-wise, everything's a straight punt, you know, so you should be able to do it as quick as possible.
But if you stay in the pocket, you should be A-OK. You know, the thing is, can you commit to it, you know? Because if you commit to that small of a field and you miss, you know, that is, that's not great.
Like for me, the Aussies helped me out immensely because I hit the end over end punt to the left because anytime I was going left, I was scared to death the ball was going to drop in like this, and I was going to have a 14-yard shank inside. So if you drop the ball and it turns like this inside your leg and you're trying to kick, it's almost, you got no shot.
And I don't know how other punters figured it out.

Literally, I watch people punt right-footed to the left

and they'll just hit these perfect balls.

And I'm like, mentally, I don't know how you do it, brother.

Anytime I was standing there, in my head, I'm like,

that's 10 yards, that's 10 yards.

So I just started doing only Aussie punts to the left.

So I would hit just an end-over-end ball.

I would look like I'm going right too. Then I would hit it back to the left and it would go likets to the left.
So I would hit just an end-over-end ball. I would look like I'm going right, too.
Then I would hit it back to the left, and it would go like 48 to 50 yards, 4'8", 4'9", hang time, and it was a fair catch every single time. Because the returner thought I was going this way, so they had to sprint this way, and then obviously with the way it's coming down, don't want to bobble it, and boom, we get a 48-48.
Feels good. Hey, I'm jogging right off the wheel as we got job well done there now you gotta swing hard which is probably why i blew out my knee every you know last three years were they were going full bore on this thing every swing but yeah there's punter money actually just came uh i believe the bucks just signed uh riley dixon from the denver broncos to a six million dollar deal they formerly had bradley pinion two-year six million dollar deal for Riley Dixon from the Denver Broncos to a $6 million deal.
They formerly had Bradley Pinion, two-year $6 million deal for Riley Dixon, formerly of the Broncos. Now he goes down to the Bucs.
I think the Bucs or maybe it was the Falcons had Bradley Pinion. Whatever the case, that's a good deal.
$3 million per for Dixon. Go ahead and bomb some balls down in Tampa Bay and enjoy the no taxes of Florida.
All right, let's get to a break. On the other side, we'll wrap up all the storylines of today.
Conman, how do you feel about the Patriots? Any moves today? No moves today, but kind of expected a quiet day. It feels like we talked about it yesterday, the waves that happened with this free agency.
Always a big one on Monday. Tuesday slows.
Wednesday, new league year officially starts. Another big one.
So even today has just been a little bit of teams getting under the cap. But I got some hope for some guys.
Got my eyes on a few players that I think would look good with this logo. Do the Bruins have a game tonight? Yeah, they're playing the Panthers.
Brad Marchand and the Panthers coming to town. Really? Yes.
I heard Brad Marchand dropped in a group text with the lads and just started chirping immediately. He's fitting like gangbusters with the Florida Panthers team.
Did you hear that? Yeah, that's T-Bud. He follows the team.
T-Bud, you're a Florida Panthers fan? He had a great press conference. And honestly, he sounded a little bummed out.
Not as bummed out as Conor, but close. Sounded a little bummed out that he couldn't work things out in Boston.
But, hey, look, the boys are all in right now in the back-to-back. All in.
Look at them. Getting a skate.
Yeah, here's him this morning. He's Boston.
He's a skate, AJ. Look at him.
Who's that guy who got suspended, D-Buts? Eklat. What was he doing? What's his name? What happened? What'd he do? Don't fucking worry about my team, all right? Worry about your team, all right? Eklat? Worry about my team, all right? This is why it's Ekblad.
You fucking asshole.

Worry about my team.

Oh, what did he say?

Did you happen to see what D-Buds got?

We'll see.

The Florida Panthers, big one tonight against the Boston Bruins.

Ekblad.

It's fucking guys.

He's not going to be playing, so that's good for you guys.

And with the way you treated Marchand on his way out, okay?

I hope tonight goes well for you, because if not, I think it's going to be loud here tomorrow. It won't.
I'm not talking about it. No way.
No fucking way. Marchand tried to stay.
He went in there and fought. He went in there and fought to remain a Bruin.
He competed. Yeah, he competed for his job to stay on the team.
He was going to make some compromise, and they said, nah, we'll see you. You guys Pete Carrolled him.
Just kicked his ass out of the meeting, right? I'm watching Celtics and I'm watching football. I'm not talking about the Bruins ever fucking again.
Wow! Until they fucking change everything over there. Fuck that.
What? Yeah. McAvoy, Pasta, Swayman, I love them.
I legitimately, if Don Sweeney got hit by a bus, I'd drink. I'd start drinking.
I'd celebrate. Fuck that guy.
Forever. Forever.
Marchand was the team. I felt like he was the guy.
This will be the first time. Think about this.
this will be the first time since 2002, Chara, Patrice Bergeron, or Brad Marchand aren't playing. You guys ran Chara out of town too.
A little different. Not quite.
He played like four or five more years. He wanted to stay.
A little different. And Nick, the thing with Nick that's the worst is that if you chirp him about Crosby or the Pens, he gets pissed, but then he'll do this shit.
Well, you shouldn't have chirped us about Crosby and the Pens. Look what happened.
Like week two. Yeah, look what happened.
Okay. Karma, he says, you know, we remembered the hockey gods remembered what you're saying about Sid getting traded up to Boston.
Instead, you guys are the ones selling all superstars. You were the one that approached the question.
Is Sid getting traded? It was just a thing. It was a wonder.
You know, with the way that team is going. Does Sid want to get traded was my question.
Does he want to go somewhere else? And he doesn't. Thank you.
But would you blame him if he's like, hey, I want to go get I want to go win another Stanley Cup? Absolutely not. Which is why I brought the question up as a Pittsburgh Penguin fan.
Because it does suck whenever you see all the hockey standings and you hear the hockey conversation and we're nowhere near it. Nope.
We are nowhere near the conversation. I hope you guys figure it out.
That was a sport that I could always have in my back pocket at any given moment. Good to be the champs.
I'm not talking. I'm done with hockey.
For sure. Fuck that.
Ain't your youth coach still coaching? Fuck him, too? I'm not talking to you about hockey ever. But I'm not talking about hockey.
This is Stanley Cup champs. I'm not talking about it.
Why D-butt? Because, one, he comes over to me with something earlier this morning. But then Eklad.
Yeah, Eklad. Oh, I said a wrong fucking name.
It's all you do is say, Ryan. Yeah, but he's off the back.
Okay, you know what I'm about, bro? There are three hockey fans in this building. It's me, Nick, and Gumby.
Four. You fucking asshole.
Four. Don't give a fuck about hockey.
I give a fuck. Exactly.
And no, you don't. No, you fucking do.
None of you guys give a fuck about the four. So my team.
My sonny's birthday was a Pittsburgh Penguin birthday game. You you fucking have it.
What was that? What was that? Seven years ago. Okay, yeah.
And you don't give a fuck about the hockey team anymore. The Pants suck.
Yeah, exactly. I still care, and they're bad.
Okay? Gumby's team's great. That's awesome.
Nick's team sucks. He gets it.
But he still cares. And it fucking blows.
But Bunch comes in here. Oh, fucking Tampa Bay Lightning fan four years Lightning fan Four years ago Never I've been a Panthers fan Never 31 years Since their inception This guy fucking goes On Wikipedia This guy goes on Wikipedia This guy goes on Wikipedia And tries to study The fucking team And there's no shit Hey, sue me I watched Hockey Talk I watched This guy was a fucking Lightning fan.
Hockey Dawson. Fucking PK.

You guys got me over it.

Guess what?

We're the fucking champs.

We're the fucking champs.

This sport is great.

Fucking brutal.

Fucking the worst.

Listening to you, Marks.

Can't even skate.

You know what?

You guys are hockey fans.

Let's go to a fucking rink and skate. I can skate.

How about that?

Let's do that.

I can get around. Yeah, let's do that.
I can get around.

Yeah, let's do that.

I can get around.

Friday night, $5.

All you can skate, please.

I can get around on a skateboard.

It doesn't mean I know how to skateboard.

See, I can't.

That's what I'm saying this whole time.

Me neither.

But I could.

But if we do ball hockey,

clap ball, top chin.

That's not hockey.

That's why they call it ball hockey.

I hope that's not.

Because it's not hockey.

It's called deck hockey, actually.

I was just trying to make it right for everybody. You're right.
Outside of Pittsburgh. Exactly.
Hockey's not played on the deck, brother. Play it on ice.
I'll tell you what. If I was to get ice skates already, I think everything from knee down would cramp up immediately.
The shins. Calves, shins, feet, probably, you name it.
And I would just look like I'm on stilts going around. I'd be able to skate.
I'd be able to skate. Alright.
Congrats to your Boston Bruins making one of the biggest moves in the history of hockey. Send their captain down to the Florida Panthers.
Thank you. And tonight they meet for the first time and we'll keep you updated because you're not watching.
There's a chance Bruins win. Chance Bruins win.
We'll talk about it. We like hockey, so we'll talk about it.
Right? Yeah, me and Zeke talk hockey every morning. We just gave him his new goalie.
I love hockey. Thank you, Spencer Knight.
You still like the Pens even though they treat you like shit? Or how is that? I forget how that works. Come on, man.
Because basically everybody in here gets stuff from the team, but they treat you like a bag of donuts. We're old school.

The Pens are old school.

That's what they are.

They play an old school style, too, a little slower than everybody else.

It's not great in 2025, but when it comes back around, we got it.

Hockey's awesome.

Never forget it.

Go to USA.

No one has more draft picks than the Pens in the next two drafts.

That's right, and we're going to use them right.

And you care about those, too. Yeah, I'll know.
When it comes to the NFL, you next two drafts. That's right, and we're going to use them right.
And you care about those, too.

Yeah, I'll know.

When it comes to the NFL, you care about draft picks.

When it comes to the NHL, you care even more.

The NHL draft is certainly an interesting one.

That is certainly an interesting draft.

I watch it out there in Las Vegas.

The boys are coming over to America.

Oh, yeah.

Across a couple ponds.

And they can't wait to get on with us with a last name that I would never be able to pronounce. And maybe a few years until we see them.
But when they get on that ice, it is magical. Playoff hockey deservedly of a watch.
Like, no question about it. NBA playoffs this year.
Look out. Should be great.
It's going to be so much better. God bless you.
Okay? Talking about the first destiny. God bless you.
God bless you guys as well. And also with you.
And also, I don't know if that's... I've never been to a service over there, but...
By the way... I will.
I would love to, actually. As would I.
I've been to a service where they... Kapow! Jesus Christ, the Spirit.
They shoot you. Yeah, kapow.
Dragon Ball Z. Let the bodies hit the floor.
Let the bodies hit the floor. Let the bodies hit the spirit.
And then they get caught by two people. And then they put a towel over top.
Yeah, kind of keep them warm as they got the spirit kind of running through their soul. And then they ran out of towels.
So there was people that the spirit hit a little harder than maybe the others. Sure.
So they were still dying. They were still wrestling with the Holy Ghost.
And they needed the towel. So they wasn't just kind of got it off of the cloth, I guess.
And then they would go put it on a new person when out there. I saw somebody get concussed.
Yeah. Yeah.
Saw someone get brought back to life right uh well there was

somebody at a uh a funeral i went to where they said if we all believed hard enough funeral like that they would come back to life that was a tough moment for all of us uh so i i i explore i enjoy the the religious world and uh you know whatever hey whatever you believe in more power. But A.
Kius was wondering if you were potentially Jewish because of the yarmulke look. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, the man who is married to a Jewish lady has obviously learned immensely about it.
Also has a cross tattooed right on his arm. Ladies and gentlemen, A.
Kius. How you doing, A.
Kius? I feel like I can say a lot of these things because I'm part Jewish now. You're kids.
You are. You are.Q.
Shipley. How you doing, A.Q.
I feel like I can say a lot of these things because I'm part Jewish now. Yes, you're kids.
You are. You're kids.
Yeah, certainly. Bingo.
I don't know if you are. I don't know if you've made the job.
We're working on that, maybe. Yeah, you got a big cross there, you know, had to cover it up for a wedding.
Obviously, we're not going to sleeveless out here. Just going to make it all up.
But it does look like a yarmulke, but the fact that you sent that

and it's accurate made us all say we need to talk to A.Q. Shipley.
There's been a lot of offensive line moves, Bob. Now, if you'd like to finish your thought on the yarmulke, okay.
If you'd like to dive into any of the offensive line moves that you've seen thus far that really caught your eye, go ahead and do that as well. A.Q.
Shipley, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, 12-year NFL vet and coach. What are your thoughts, A.Q.? Well, first thought is, A.J., you got to get that cleaned up.
We need a haircut. Don't have to.
You don't have to. It's okay.
No, we have to. We have to.
I don't have to, but I am going to. His last name's Hawk.
His last name's Hawk. And there are people that ask for the Hawk cut.
I've done that before, so there is people wondering. I understand what you're saying.
Okay, I understand what you're saying. But if you are Jewish, AJ, Mazel.
Completely okay. It's a different haircut.
It's the Rothschild. Okay.
What's that about? What's that mean, Con? Can you explain that? I don't know. There's a lot of conversations on the internet.
Hey, Kish, let's talk about the offensive line conversations that are happening on the internet right now. Which move in free agency either shocked you or which move in free agency did you absolutely love? Yeah, the interesting thing is when you look at these moves, I think the biggest thing that shocked me is the Kansas City Chiefs let Joe Tooney go and they replaced him with a guy who's got 15 starts in 51 games.
So, I mean, those situations happen, right? Like where you shine in those 10 to 15 games and boom, you get that big deal, but still it's not a ton of tape. So that move shocked me.
I think Dan Moore, I mean, just being a Pittsburgh guy, a lot of guys were not thrilled about Dan Moore over the last couple of years and he gets 80 million bucks, right? Aaron Banks is a guy who, um, you know, he's in San Francisco. He plays, he's a little bit injured, but he hasn't been quite what they thought he was going to be, obviously enough to let him out of the building.
And he goes and gets 80 million from Green Bay. Drew Dahlman, I love, I love that pickup by the Chicago Bears.
I think they've completed their offensive line, right? They went and got their two guards with trades. They got their tackles in the draft and and then they go get Drew Dahlman.
So I absolutely love that move. Obviously, I'm going to pop my guy, Robert Hainsey, $21 million for the big boy.
Big move. Big move.
Big move going down to Jacksonville, reuniting with Liam Cohen. Super pumped for him.
Just a quick plug, obviously. I mean, I think he works harder than anybody on planet Earth.
And I've worked with him the last four years,

so I'm pumped to see him get his opportunity to be the guy.

But I think probably the big move, right, Drew Dahlman complete in Chicago.

I think Ben Johnson realized what he had in Detroit with the offensive line there.

They're literally like a piece or two away.

I mean, like I'm sitting here thinking if they can go get a running back maybe,

I mean, they got everything they had in Detroit to go and take over the NFC North.

If you have a good offensive line, you can compete.

I don't know. I'm sitting here thinking if they can go get a running back, maybe.
I mean, they got everything they had in Detroit to go and take over the NFC North. If you have a good offensive line, you can compete.
I think that's what we've learned over the last couple years within the trenches. I think we've tried to spotlight that even more so.
And I love the fact that Ben Johnson understood that, too. That means in Detroit, he understood it as well whenever he was there with the boys.
I assume his conversation with the offensive line was very much as one that is very grateful a lot of gratitude shown to them and as soon as he gets to chicago he's sending a message to caleb and everybody hey we're gonna we're gonna

play football now you know like we are gonna do what football calls for you didn't mention it

there laramie tunsell traded huge from the tessons to the commanders great for jayden daniels obviously

uh and i think rapaport said that they're just gonna bank on somebody else being able to do it

Thank you. traded huge from the Texans to the commanders great for Jaden Daniels obviously uh and I think Rappaport said that they're just going to bank on somebody else being able to do it if all the

teams that signed a tackle uh that we maybe hadn't heard of were in on Laramie Tunzel and they

decided to go another way to see if somebody else can maybe prove or younger or grow into it as

opposed to getting Laramie Tunzel who we know is a guy right like every week that is what Laramie

Tunzel is Laramie Tunzel is an absolute know is a guy, right? Like every week that is what Laramie Tunzel is. Laramie Tunzel is an absolute stud.
And honestly, in my opinion, Houston had a very lackluster offensive line last year. This was the only guy.
Now, I think the one thing he needs to clean up for being a guy who is as highly coveted as he was coming out, is as highly coveted and paid as he's been in the National Football League. An interesting thing is when you get a left tackle that's an absolute stud, typically you don't let those guys out of the building.
I guess the concern is this is his third team already, and he's under the age of 30. I think that's one issue.
He has a lot of penalties. I think he had something like 30-something penalties or something last year.
So I think those two things, he gets cleaned up, but he goes to a place where they value offensive line. They're a couple pieces of the way as well.
Now you go in with, obviously, one of the best young quarterbacks in the National Football League. They make a move, go get Debo Samuel.
This is an exciting team to watch. They lost their right guard last year with an ACL, but I think they might be able to move a tackle, Coleman, who was playing left tackle last year, into one of the guards.
Might have to do some reshuffling, but this is a huge piece for the Washington Commanders. Mekhi Becton obviously pulled off this past season, won a Super Bowl, and reset his entire career, seemingly after people deemed him a bust.
So maybe there is a little bit more reshuffling for the Commanders to do. You mentioned a lot of names in this offensive line chatter.
You didn't mention two. They're pretty big.
Tone has a question for you. Yeah, Koush, Ryan Kelly, and Will Fries, a couple ex-Colts are going up to the Vikings.
Is that strictly because the Rams just bullied the fuck out of them in that playoff game? Yeah, that has something to do with it. Their offensive line wasn't good.
They needed to retool it. Their right tackle's awesome.
Obviously, they have Derisaw, right? Like, they got two really good tackles. Their interior has struggled over the last couple years, and they did give up a million sacks, obviously, to the Rams.
Will Fry's great pickup, former Penn State guy. Love him.
Love that move. The Ryan Kelly move, you know, I think that confused me a little bit.
I love the move. I like Ryan Kelly.
I think he's a really good center going up there, but they had Bradbury who they'd have invested in, former first round pick. Seems like Bradbury's probably on his way out at this point, But I love what the Vikings are doing.
I think on the other side of the ball, getting Jonathan Allen and Hargrave is huge. I mean, they've already had a good defense with Flores, and now you add those two pieces.
They re-signed Byron Murphy, obviously. I mean, I think the Vikings are going to be a damn good team next year.
Who's going to be their quarterback? You know, that's the. Sam Donald's in Seattle.
Daniel Jones is in Indianapolis. Tom Pellicero tweeted this earlier today that all eyes are J.J.
McCarthy basically going to be the starter. And then Mike Silver, who's been covering the NFL for a very long time, he just said that Kevin O'Connell's opinion on who plays quarterback weighs heavy in that building, and there's a lot of interesting conversations happening.
What does that mean? What does that mean? I don't know. It seems like until something is said from the Vikings or decided by the Vikings, it's still very much open.
I mean, the Daniel Jones move to Indy has to assume they're leaning JJ, right? That's what that has to assume. Or somebody else.
You thinking Aaron? What are we talking? Until eight signs somewhere. Yeah, exactly.
It's like Aaron Rodgers. Now, maybe it's number eight.
Maybe it's a new number. Well, 12 is retired at Pittsburgh, so he's eight.
Okay, but maybe it's a new number. Maybe it's, you know, who knows what it could be.
I'm sure there's some ayahuasca number that we could find. What number is it? The symbol.
But you think, I don't know. You tell me, H.
You tell me with all the new wisdom. He would have to put in a flyer with the league to try to appeal to get a symbol is what I think tone is on the right track.
Would it be the TP that they go into? Would it be the ayahuasca flower? The artist formerly known as... So many options.
Hey, Rog, get it done with Rog. Infinity, eight sideways? Maybe it is eight sideways.
That's also infinity. That'd be awesome.
Nonetheless, him playing... He's in Nonetheless, him playing – yeah, he's in a hotel.

His kids are on spring break.

He's got a lot going on.

Got a lot.

Aaron Rodgers playing quarterback for that Vikings team.

I think we talk about it and think about it more just strictly because we are fans of Aaron

and friends of Aaron, and it's like a lot of people hate Aaron.

A lot of people talk a lot of shit on Aaron.

I think that's Aaron's life.

I think that's kind of how it's always been. But if you watch those last few games, like we did because we were talking to Aaron every single week, and you kind of see what the Jets were able to do.
And now granted, who were they playing against? The games didn't matter. Blah, blah, blah.
You could say all that shit. It's like they played.
And this Rams defense is very good. And they played very well at the end of the year.
So if you know Aaron a little bit and you saw what he was able to do at the end of the year, you still think that his arm is there. Like if you still think Aaron's arm is there, which we do after watching the end of the year, it's like Kevin O'Connell can have his ass.
He can have an offense that is on time and all you need is to be very accurate. It's like Aaron has all those things and Aaron can see every single defense.
Aaron knows exactly what's going to happen before the play even goes. It's like you start thinking about it more and more.
It's like that would be a really good relationship for Aaron Rodgers and the way he plays. And also the Vikings, if they were to go that way.
Now, do they want to do another one-year quarterback like they did with Sam Darnold? Do they want to put mccarthy in right now and see what they have like there's so many of those questions that have to happen but me personally as somebody that watched them play at the end of the year and sees what this vikings team is and now we know justin jefferson kevin o'connell quasey like we know it's like that's a that's a cool team that's a good team and they were one game away from being the number one seed in the nfc last year it's like, how many question marks do they want to have? I don't know. It's just a fascinating development.
And then everybody in Pittsburgh thinks Aaron's going to Pittsburgh because that's best for them. Not everybody in Pittsburgh wants that, but people in Pittsburgh think that is very much an option at this point.
So there's a lot of chatter about Aaron right now. Not that there ever isn't.
Who knows how much like you're talking about this year for sure but the future you know the the years after it would be better for the Vikings too just because of how the you know Aaron can teach JJ so much stuff and people will say what they want about Aaron as the you know mentor type player because obviously there's a lot of fodder around that with Jordan Love when those you know a few years were there. But clearly he was a great mentor to Jordan Love and how he has progressed and become immediately one of those really, really good quarterbacks in the NFL.
I mean, it doesn't make any sense for him not to be in Minnesota, it feels like. But also, you know, maybe Minnesota just loves J.J.
so much and they're confident in him coming off two knee surgeries. Hey, Jay, what's Aaron want to do? Have you talked to him? You know him more than anybody.
I honestly have not talked to him. I would love to know what he wants to do.
I selfishly think he should go to Pittsburgh. I think that would be a great spot.
I think it would be awesome to see him play there, especially with D.K. coming in.
George Pickens hopefully still on the roster, but I don't know. I don't know when it could happen either.
It should happen soon, right?

Like I would imagine over the next couple days.

The rap report was begging for it to happen today.

If you do recall from earlier in the show, yeah, maybe your friend does it.

Hopefully.

I did see him making it a little bit better.

Technically, he's a jet till tomorrow.

Greeny ended get up.

Does it have to wait till at least tomorrow?

I don't think so.

No.

Now all these deals.

We've already got this.

Greeny ended get up with, hey, Maz, what day of the week is it?

Thank you. Does it have to wait until at least tomorrow? I don't think so.
No. Now all these deals.
We've already got those. People.
Greeny ended get up with, hey, Maz, what day of the week is it? And he said, it's Tuesday. Well, you know what that means.
Potentially. And I was like, he was alluding to Aaron coming on our show.
And I'm like, did somebody tell Greeny? Somebody needs to stop lying to Greeny. We have no way.
I have no. I was literally watching the show like, is Aaron coming on the show today? Hold on.
Is that what Greeny's saying? And I had to check in. The latest we've heard from AJ Hawk is we'll get a chance to chat with him soon.
Yeah. That was last week, last Friday, last Thursday.
That soon could also mean a month, right? Whoa. Depending.
Because soon in comparison to three years, a month is very soon. It's relative.
You know. Relative.
Yeah, everything's relative, brother. Everything's relative.
You know, the man with no shoes was bummed until he met the man with no feet. You know, so.
That's true. Everything is relative, brother.
That is literally life in a nutshell. Okay, what did we not talk to you about that we should talk to you about? Mekhi Becton.
Where's he going? Okay, Mekhi Becton. Where's he going? That's the question mark.
Actually, D-Buts wants to ask you this particular question. Exactly what I was going to ask you.
I know I expected him to get a bunch of money coming off of the year he had with your trenchy award-winning O-line up there in Philly. Any ideas to why he hasn't signed yet, especially with all these guys getting big money that we haven't necessarily heard of? Yeah, I think probably the biggest question mark when you see something like this is he overvalues himself, right? Like he over, like I think Aaron Banks probably set the market.
Will Fry's price set the market. It looks like it's going to be in that somewhere between 80 and 90 million over four and five years.
Like that seems to be the number for the top guard. I think teams are probably a little bit scared because his first three or four years were not,

they didn't go as expected.

He was almost considered a little bit of a bust.

And then he gets put in a situation in Philadelphia, which I think you got to look at it.

And that's the way I look at it as well.

Is it like, okay, was he a product of everybody else around him

and also a product of the damn good coaching that he gets from Coach Stoutland?

Or is that who he now is, right?

I think that's the biggest question mark you have to ask with that.

And because you haven't seen that deal happen yet,

he's probably sitting there thinking, hey, I was the top guard on the market.

I just won a Super Bowl.

I reinvented myself.

And he's probably putting himself a little bit above what these other guys got.

And then now all of a sudden these other guys got and then now

all of a sudden these other teams are like well there's some there's still some question marks you've done for one year and a lot of times that happens but I think there is still something in the back of some coaches and GM's minds we're like is this the new guy or are we getting the old guy as well the thought of who would be in the market I was just asking a room here scanning the room who would be in in the market for Mekhi Becton? If I'm Houston, I go get him right now. Houston clearly has made the moves to go get skill, but they've unloaded their entire offensive line.
They've gotten rid of Laramie Tunsil. They got rid of Shaq Mason.
They got rid of Green, the former first rounder who they obviously sent to the trade, right? They've bolstered areas of their team skill-wise with C.J. Stroud, you know, obviously Mixon, and they went and got Christian Kirk.
Like, they have skill galore, but we all have seen it. If you don't have an offensive line, you can't win games, guys.
You can't do it. But if you have the best offensive line, you can't win the Super Bowl.
Remember those things? Yeah, that was his whole thing. That was AQ Shipley's entire thing.
You remember that, AQ? Alright, alright, alright. I changed my tune on that.
I just thought they were going to lose to L.A., which they almost did. And boy, was I FaceTiming you boys when the comeback was happening.
It was coming. Yeah, you were very proud of yourself.
I told you, I told you, they can't keep up with these young boys up front. They can't do it.
Jalen's going to have to make some plays. He's not going to be able to.
They were so dominant. Oh, yeah.
I think they change everybody.

I think they change everybody, AQ.

We've talked about the physicality coming back to ball

and how important the offensive line is.

Over the last few years,

if you had the most dominant offensive line and dominant run game,

you were going to be one of the last teams standing.

It just kind of hadn't been put in the forefront yet

because the Super Bowl champion was Patrick Mahomes.

Now, Patrick Mahomes won his last Super Bowl running the ball

and playing great defense, but it wasn't really chatted about. It was still quarterback, Travis Kelsey.
Philadelphia Eagles, it's like run game is the thing that can win a Super Bowl for you. And once other people see that you can win it all doing something, they normally tend to buy in, you know, copycat league.
I think it's a good time to be an offensive lineman. Thank you.
Don't you? I certainly do because there's some guys, like I said, I wish I was still playing. I wish my neck didn't end this thing.
Actually, I wish I was 25 years old playing in this era right now because you get 15 or 18 games under your belt, you're getting $20 million. It's a beautiful thing right now.
It's a beautiful thing. You did sound like a little bit of a hater at the beginning.
Now we know why. Now we know.
I played and I had two jobs. These guys are getting paid $80 million.
Never heard of them. Never heard of these guys.
It was a lot of NBA signings yesterday at the offensive line. We'd see these names pop up and it's just like whenever a seventh man off the bench and the NBA signs for $100 million.
Who? Who's getting that? We did appreciate the emphasis on the trenches and and that's why we appreciate you. Have a good one, man.
Enjoy the rest of whatever you got going on in that hotel. I appreciate you, boys.
Keep crushing it. Where are you? You're in spring break right now? Yeah, we're just doing a little staycation because it's keeping them in our houses.
No good. No good.
No good. They just cling.
But you get a different hotel even in the same area,

and they all of a sudden think they're in Disney World, you know?

Oh, that's a good play.

That's a good game.

And you can run home if you have to.

Bingo.

Still sleep in my own bed if I need to.

Well, don't.

Don't leave your kids.

You're on vacation.

I might.

I might.

I hate hotel beds.

I might.

Like I say, I hate my kids.

Yeah, they are the worst.

No, no, no. I'll be back.
I'll be back before they wake up, you know? Listen, I hate hotel beds. I hate hotel beds.
I might. No, no, no.
I'll be back before they wake up.

Listen, I hate hotel beds. I hate my kids.

Those are two things.

Those are two things to get me out of there.

Love the kids. Love the kids.

Hey, I saw

a good baseball in the backyard, I think, didn't I?

Yeah, son. How about that?

Pretty good, huh? Guaranteed.

Guaranteed money in baseball. Guaranteed money in baseball.
I'm seeing these baseball contracts. I don't even know if I'm going to introduce him to a football.
Don't put his hand in the dirt. Not one time.
Only time the hand goes in the dirt whenever he trips and falls. Yep.
That's it. You get a golf club in that hand.
You get a baseball bat in that hand. Basketball.
Especially with your Hall of Fame. Yeah.
You know.. Yeah.
Your height. Yeah.
Your arms. Six one white guys with short arms don't usually make it in the NBA.
That's a great shooting build in 2K, though. Yeah, because you're like that robot that they created where your arms can only do one thing.
You know, it's like, did you see that thing that took on? Lethal Shooter took on the machine the other day. Lethal Shooter, why is he not on a team? How come this doesn't get talked about? I understand it now.
Now he's got to miss on purpose to make one. So now he's got to go on the second one and make it.
Obviously, I don't know how long all this is taking. None of us know that.
The fact that any of these shots go in, and will get me every single time and will give me every single time but him having to miss one on purpose and then go I understand it and then walking in and hitting the next one it's like that's even more difficult now now it's even more difficult in there I'm not even impressed by any of the basketball shit he does anymore when he's throwing like a full court gummy bear into a coke bottle yeah that like into of that water water bottle. Like that's the crazy shit.
Why is he not on a team? I've asked him maybe 10 times through DMs. It's different.
Why aren't you on a team? And I think he had a surgery. I think he had like a – I don't know.
I think he had some sort of surgery. So then he got into coaching.
He could still shoot. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but like lethal shooter.
We've been following along since the beginning. He has offered to come in here and teach us how to shoot.
Yeah, he needs to tell people that he had a surgery because I think a lot of people just assume he can't slap the floor. You don't think he can play defense? That's what a lot of people assume because if you can shoot like that, it doesn't even matter.
You don't have to play defense. That's what I'm saying.
Defense is just effort anyway. Just post them up and shoot threes all day.
Five on four. Who gives a fuck? That's my point.
You got to be able to get open and shoot over six foot eight guys. Stand in the Dew Corner.
I mean, I've never seen his film, but it's like when you see guys on internet. I don't know if he can handle the Dew Corner.
68-yard field goals, and it's like, all right, you're getting the game. Oh, yeah, you're right.
Four 45-yarders in a row. The trick kickers had a little bit of a run, and boy, I didn't hate them enough at the time.

They were talking shit to actual kickers and punters,

and it's like we can all go do what you're doing, right?

Onside kicking in their living room.

Yeah, I actually enjoy that guy.

His name is –

Oh, Through the Door?

He's unbelievable.

I don't know what the ball is.

I think it's an arena ball that he's hitting there.

He is very talented at those things. Leonard? John? I don't know what the ball is.
I think it's an arena ball that he's hitting there. He is very talented at those things.
Leonard? John? I don't know. I got to add it to him.
So many people are talking shit to me about that guy. I just muted the whole thing so I don't see him as much.
Smart. Yeah, which is my problem with the trick kicker.
That's kind of what happened. It was like, come on, come on, come on.
That guy couldn't do it. I don't think anybody can do what he does.
I just would like that to be known. But with the shooters, I mean, the shit he's doing is impossible.
Some of the best shooting ever. Yeah, impressive.
Great content. And then the ideas.
He's a Red Bull sponsored athlete for shooting, I think. That's a great deal.
Now, AQ, maybe that is what you need to dive into, because we just pulled up an old clip of the hammer from Moontine Ship. AQ Shipley.
That guy thinks he's going to block the wrong mind of man. Yeah, right.
No chance. No chance.
I got a barbed wire tap, brother. None of them are connected because I don't want my soul to be trapped.
But I will certainly put this ball in the bottom of this bucket. Probably going off the glass here if I had to guess.
We're going off the glass here. Guaranteed two points.
Guaranteed. And you're putting an elbow through that guy's chest I assume after this? Yeah, and if he thinks he's got any chance, the next time down, drop step, elbow, put him in the fucking bleachers, baby.
Right. Okay.
Great arm length on old buddy. He's reaching over your little...
That's AQ in the paint, though. That's AQ in football.
All right, we appreciate you, man. Ladies and gentlemen, man is currently on spring break.
Will he stay with his family or not? That is the question. Thank you, AQ.
Yeah, I need to get out of here. That's the good thing about vacationing in the town that you live.
You can leave the kids and they don't even know. Go sleep in your own bed.
Hotel beds do suck. Terrible.
Yeah. Not so much, well, for me personally.
Pillows. Yes, it's the pillows.
The whole process. Why are they so flat all the time? Because think about how many pillows they have to buy.
Sure. In every hotel.
But even the nice hotels. Yeah, think about how many pillows they have to buy sure in every hotel but even the nice hotels yeah think about how many pillows they have to buy for any hotel and i've because i've asked this question numerous times because i have a massive head sure so like big head not great for any pillow that isn't good you know like i'm going right to the mat i just got like i just got some paper wrapped around the back of my head like a neck pillow exactly exactly it's one of those it's a little bit of a snuggie there around around my head that's basically all it is and i've asked before you know the people that are in the hotel hospital management that's a whole fucking business and so if you start piecing together the amount of sheets pillows things that need to be ordered just for one building they're not that they're necessarily going to take the cheapest price every time but they're not going to take the fucking yeah highest price every single time so you get what you pay for in that particular world and i think the hotels are paying for like the mid-range one nice hotels and then cheap hotels are paying for the cheap ones and we can tell you know we can certainly tell you can have a nice room beautiful room great views and then you lay down it's like i'm gonna sleep like shit great to be here you You know, great nice room.
Beautiful room. Great views.
And then you lay down.

It's like, I'm going to sleep like shit.

Great to be here.

You know, great to be here, though.

When I get up, the refrigerator's stocked.

And you got good options for the snacks, too.

Peanuts for $45?

Sure.

Are those cashews?

Are those cashews?

Yeah.

I think I'll do that.

Why don't they spend the money and get a little fucking better pillows? That'd be think it's where all i airbnb is so awesome and i'm using somebody else's pillow that's a whole not yeah yeah but i mean at a hotel are you not using someone else's pillow anyways at least you know it's washed most likely the pillow cover uh you hope you hope for sure there's those are you one of those no you're not those germaphobes when they get into hotels. They're? No, you're not.
Those germaphobes, when they get into hotels,

they're awesome. Have you ever walked into a germaphobes room?

I know

people haven't walked into their room.

What are they doing? Yeah, I forget who it was.

Hey, we're meeting at this room.

Had a suite. Had a suite.

So met at the room. Had to go piss.

Well, there's one in the bedroom.

So I walked through the bedroom.

We had that fucker wrapped like they were moving out. They wrapped thing like they were moving it was unbelievable wrapped with like some sort of saran wrap of some sort and then they had their shit on top of it like a sleeping bag of some sort on top of it that's a nightmare bro I walked in I walked in I got a killing you.
Yeah. That would have been my first thought, too.
Like cellophane wraparound everything? That's crazy. Are you sure they were germaphobes and they weren't murdering somebody? I mean, maybe they're murdering somebody, but I brought this up.
It was not Baleem McCombs. He did not have a suite that we were having a meeting in.
But when that starts happening, let me know. I am very excited.
Especially if he's coming up with the memes that he's coming up this morning. I think that time is coming much sooner than we could expect.
But yeah, I immediately, as soon as I got out of there, hey, this guy's got a saran wrap bed right now. And then that person told me a whole story about these journalists and yada, yada, yada.
There's people that bring black lights to hotels. Do the whole thing.
Why do you want to know? Does Michael Cole do that with the announcing desk too? It was not. Cole will stay in the worst fucking hotel in any town.
As long as it's close to the hotel. If it's close to the airport, he's in.
Cole's saran wrapping his bed because he likes to get pissed on. There's a difference between the two.
All right. On that note, we're going to get out of here.
What a show last night in Madison Square Garden. It looked awesome.
20,000 plus in there. It was like three hours before the show, the numbers were coming in.
It was like 17,400 something. And then like as it continued, I think they released more and released more.
They had – I mean, I looked up and I don't think – maybe I've been in the Madison Square Garden before. I'm not 100% sure if I'm here.
You have. Okay, so I had been been in there but I hadn't taken it in like I did last night like last night was the first time I'm like it's fucking garden like I should try to and also I got lost going in there I was in the theater at one point oh I was in the back door yeah I was so I saw the garden last night I mean I saw it I saw the the the freight elevator where everybody takes the photos yeah does the whole thing I was in one of those strictly because I was in the wrong side of the and i just walked in there and the person working the elevator told me about how famous this freight elevator was and i had never seen any of the photos myself but then uh security guy gets on or uh maybe a teamster worker gets on he goes like did you take the photo with i'm like oh shit this must be a real thing and then jim kelly uh head ww security guy's like yeah it's a real thing you fucking he's from new york you know to his hometown he's the one who was you know trying to make me not be lost anymore but i really like took it in like i got a chance to see the rangers uh locker room nice i saw rempey uh rempey's locker i'm one of us hysterican i saw his in there saw the room a little I expected.
Yeah, because it splits, right? The Knicks are on one side and then the Rangers are on the other. And I think hockey has a locker room and then a change room as well.
I think that's the shared with the Knicks. Okay, the change rooms, which is in the back.
So they have a show locker room. For the media.
So they're not sitting there with their dongs out doing interviews. They have one locker room for that.
And I was like, man, that's a great idea. Football should have that.
Great idea. In the back, it's like they have for the media for the media so they're not sitting there their dongs out doing interviews they have like a one locker room for that and then i was like man that's a great idea football should have great idea in in the back it's like they have like um like i didn't get to see theirs because theirs was locked up but the las vegas golden knights we saw and there's like a hangout section a lobby there's like treatment there's uh showers there's every like behind the wall almost it's like here's our locker room and then we have a change room over here that is basically where everything goes brilliant idea brilliant concept so i got a chance to see that walked in there i was looking around you know like they had people fucking on top seemingly of the court two rows of these people that were just placed on the ceiling i don't i don't even know if there's seats up there i have no idea it's relatively new when they did the like most recent renovations it's called they call it like the chase sky bridge it's it's almost scary when you're up there it's just a straight down view from essentially the roof of the of the garden just right down onto the onto the course people were packed in there i mean it was electrifying and obviously the stars were? Sure.
I didn't know some of them. I knew one of them that might have been one of the people that you weren't aware of.
But he's one of the characters in that show, The Big Door Prize in Abbott Elementary. I forget his actual name.
Can I pronounce his name wrong? No, I don't think you pronounced his name wrong. But I thought I noticed from the tone it was like, who the fuck is this guy he's a he's a great actor i'm a huge fan okay everybody everybody that comes out is great at what they do of course and we're very thankful for it but yeah we we're just getting handed cards of people that were here and normally like the wwe is in conversation with these people you know and it's like we know going in who's going to be here who accepted the shout out so that's a whole nother thing like i saw a lot of people talking about drake uh with the wwe and no shout out up at limited chamber it was like i i don't know if he said no or if they didn't like that is something that is like a full-on hey is it okay if we show you like the wwe doesn't want to just assume that people even if the wwe gets people tickets i don't even think they're like automatically assuming like we're going to put you on camera so normally there's a full give and take about that that happens there's people that are at shows that don't get shown on camera on a regular basis they're sitting either to the left or at another spot down here to the right so it's like that's not abnormal but last night I don't know if these people just came to the show or if other people got them tickets because throughout the entire evening, there was just cards showing up.
And it was the first time they were ever handwritten, like writing them. And the person's handwriting was incredible.
Mustache on Josh Chigarra. Josh Chigarra.
Yeah, I enjoyed his energy. I did enjoy the way he operated.
He was a dog. But he was certainly a guy that I did not know of before last night.
It was a handwritten one. Okay, so I'm reading.
Okay, the handwriting, which is very 1998 of the entire – Great handwriting in there. But after I saw the way he was acting, I was like, yeah.
Hell yeah. I like this guy.
Barking for Braun. Yeah, exactly.
Kevin McAllister got a big bob. What was he – What's that was he throwing up? What's that he banged? What are you about? What's he throwing up? Oh, he said something.
I love you, I think. I don't think he was throwing up gang signs.
Maybe. I don't know.
He could have been. I'm not hurt.
I'm not sure. He's kidding.
He has family trauma. His mom and dad left him numerous times.
Yeah. New York City.
Yeah. A couple times.
His brother's a sicko. Yeah.
Asshole. Yeah.
I mean, let's see. I don't think I've ever seen him before.
Callie Culkin. His brother there next to him wearing a Canada shirt.
Thought that was a shot directly at me. Okay.
Boom. Bang.
Pow. Is that sign language, though? Yeah.
I love you all. No, that's a gang sign.
The first couple may be gang signs, yeah. Then the I love you at the end.
God, he's got the best pizzazz. He really does.

His brother, too, got big pop at the Netflix premiere.

And he was there the day of that.

And I think he said, no, it's all good.

I don't need to be intro'd.

So if I knew sign language like I think I'd do, I think he'd just say, hi, everybody.

I fucking love you all.

Yeah.

I think is what he just said.

That's what I'm bringing.

As opposed to like, could you imagine fucking Kevin McAlister throwing up the east side and doing his entire thing? Maybe. Internet will find out.
He got big pop. He's a diehard wrestling guy.
He's been a diehard wrestling fan forever. Yeah, I think his whole family.
I think his whole family is in which we appreciate it. Every time it comes out, we talk.
It's crazy. It's cool that I just get to that ball.

You don't call him Kevin.

You don't call him Kevin, do you?

Every time.

What's up, Kevin?

He loves it.

Every time.

His wife knows ball, too. She just went viral last week, I think,

about her interview about the L.A. Rams

and the Lakers and the Clippers.

She's a huge sports fan.

Let's go, Kevin.

I love it.

Fabulous was there. I walked out.
I sit down. And Cole goes, there's a bunch of people around us right now.
And I'm like, who? And he goes, just celebs. Rich the Kid was there, I guess.
I had never met Rich the Kid. It was good to see him.
There was a Jacksonville rapper, Nardo Wick, I believe, was there last night. There was the Selling the City group back here to the right that was on Netflix.
And he said, back to the right, back to the left, back behind. So, like, we're trying to do, like, the casual.
I'm trying to do the casual, like, look around, you know, like, just get the lay of the land of what's going on. Because there's billions and billions of dollars being represented right over here.
Sure. Okay, you know where Schultz was was sitting shout out to schultz by the way oh his new special life on netflix for my wife and i was my wife and i and if you've watched it you'll see my wife and i bawling crying hugging each other having a moment uh like 40 minutes 45 minutes into schultz's stand-up.
Obviously, laugh, laugh, laugh, but there's a moment in there that's like a real, like for me, a real, real moment. I think a lot of people, so I literally watched that the night before.
So I go in there next day and I see Schultz's wife and Schultz, and it was like, I just learned a lot about you guys last night. So it was so cool to see him.
Directly next to him, to his left, we're talking billions of dollars, just so much money, the people that were in there last night. It's like the WWE is reaching and talking to everybody.
Turkey? As soon as I sit down, I did not see Turkey. I was pretty pumped to see Turkey.
I thought he was for sure going to be there. But as soon as I sat down, I look around, and I tell Cole about the money.

You know, Cole's telling me about everything.

He's been told.

I'm like, Cole, left.

There's a lot over there.

He goes, you're such an asshole.

I'm like, that's who we – that is what you – we just need to know they're in the building here.

So I turn around, and I start looking at everybody, and I see Fabulous sitting right behind me, and I'm like, holy fuck.

Fabulous, thank you for everything, sir.

I just want to let you know that. F-A-P-O- your run okay right during my life and you're uh you know freddie roach yeah freddie roach got introduced last night he has a new fighter from ireland has king across his uh knuckles he has a fight coming up that was great a man of serrano was there but yeah good pop saw fabulous i just like stopped i was like holy fuck legend that's literally what i said holy fuck looks at me he goes what's up man i'm like thanks for coming dude thanks for everything thanks for everything you've i'm 30 yeah did the whole speech so i try to you know i try to take it all in try to enjoy the moment but last night it was uh a pretty cool spectacle in there.
A cage match. Awesome.
Oh, yeah. Man.
Awesome. And then the OGs are wrestling in the back.
You talk to Bruce and Heyman and everybody. And I go, hey, before I go out there, just some things about the Garden.
And they just get into this love story about what the Garden has done for the business and for the WWF, the WWWF, the WWF, and now the WWE and the amount of history and how big of a component in the, you know, the territorial kind of jousting that led to what we have now with the WWE, how important it was, obviously the first ever host to WrestleMania. So it was like last night, it felt like, uh, like, I'm like, I'm going to take in the God.
You know, I'm going to take this whole thing in. Getting there was something.
Well, that's New York City, baby. Getting there was something.
That's the Big Apple. Great weather, though.
Active city. A lot of running.
A lot of bikes. It's all the way back.
Impossible to turn. Yes.
Yeah. One per light.
Especially over there by MSG before before a big event it's just a nightmare yeah and then good thing for the driver that i had is he was like you know what let's fucking park it right on the sidewalk yeah so literally thousands of people will be walking around our car and uh yeah that's okay well he doesn't speak my language i assume he said this okay right in his language. He dropped you off at Hooters right across the street or something.
Recipes. Great location.
Is it still open? They're all going under? I assume so. They haven't all closed yet.
They went bankrupt, though, so I don't know how it works. Yeah.
Red Lobster went bankrupt. I still think they're open.
We got a Red Lobster. They're back.
Private equity. They're coming back.
You got a new CEO. I'm seeing Blake Griffin all over some Red Lobster ads.
Yeah, me too. Really? Trying to save it.
Yeah, the Cheddar Bays. I love that.
I can't wait till those pop into my algo because you guys just said it. My phone needs to smarten up, though.
I'm fucking sick of it. I couldn't load the video last night.
Couldn't load the video for the big night out of here. Because I couldn't.
Literally, I'm sitting in there and I'm just staring at it. That's New York, too.
I'm staring at it just like this. And then the show's four minutes out.
And it's like, well, I just lied to everybody. Too late.
I just lied to everybody. The video will not be going on tonight.
And it is 100% my fault on it all. I had somebody say, who I responded to,

you opened your mouth and said something you weren't supposed to say.

It's like, no, I'm just, it would be much better actually to get this out now because the day the tickets go on sale is Thursday,

and it's fucking not going.

And that's not great.

I don't love everything about that.

But this morning, obviously, letting the world know,

it is on Wednesday, April 9th.

Tickets go on sale on Thursday at noon. H, I'm pumped for it.
I'm very pumped for it. Especially the fact that you say WWE is handling all the in-house production.
I mean, so I can't even imagine. Pyro, like what's going on? What's happening? What's going to be happening? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Don't worry about it. Easy.
Listen, everything will be a surprise. Options are endless.
Everything will. I know.
That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm just thinking, when I think of the WWE, you think of live events, that they are the cream of the crop when it comes to that.
So there's no boundaries. They can do anything.
It was, I mean, everything you just said there is accurate about the WWE. They do, what, six shows or five shows a week in arenas uh around

the country they've been in every single arena they've been in the ppg paints arena a lot they kind of know the lay of the land they know how to set shit up they know how to get workers to set shit up they know how how to cover an arena where they need cameras where they need lighting how's the audio you know about that what about the audio in these things let alone everything else so So whenever I, you know, I go over to Nick Khan, I go, hey, I have an idea.

It's been a few years. I've been looking to do this.
But there's no way me and my boys will be able to accomplish this. So if this is not in the cards for the WWE to be able to partner with me on, I understand what's pushed back another year.
I mean, fuck, I've been sitting on this for three years or whatever. And I lay it out.
And Nikon looks at me and goes, have to do it. We have to do this, right? And I'm like, I think the show will be good.
I think it'll be a pretty good show. He goes, so you'll handle show? And then we handle just like the in arena stuff and logistics stuff? And I'm like, that would be fucking wonderful.
And he goes, all right, let's do's do it and then literally two days later I'm in a meeting with everybody from the WWE the departments that would be a part of it and they tell me to lay it out you know and what we would need and there was a stenographer in there at Gumpy what maybe the fastest typer of all time there's a there was an assistant in there of I don't know who. There was an assistant in there somewhere.
Could be Nix. Could be.
There was a lot of people in this media that were pretty. And typing everything that's happening.
I don't know if actual stenographer or just a recapper. But that's the first time I've ever been in a room that had somebody doing that.
And as soon as I hear that, I mean, it's just immediately like, all right, let's up the words per minute here just to see how many we can get in. I started speaking at maybe a thousand words per minute in the middle of this pitch.
I started laying out all the ideas. I started thinking about things that could happen.
Two years ago, I thought maybe we're going to be able to do this. But instead, now that I know the situation that we're in, especially in most of these arenas with people we're talking to, I mean, there's a chance we're going to have to do this.
If we have to do this, that's why we need your department to be able to call this department and be able to get the lighting. If we're not able to get the lighting, we're kind of fucked.
Now, the wristbands that I see at these certain concerts, how do we go about plugging those into the things? And like this lady just right over my left shoulder. And then I stopped like 45 seconds in, you know, and saw a little delay.
And then I stopped. Every word was important you know and uh big pop in the room obviously and uh it has taken a full team effort uh by everybody at the wwe that's been a part of this for the setup we're talking about building the staging building the lighting like it is a uh all hands type situation.
There's a guy named AJ, who is an absolute weapon at the WWE. Anytime I see anything coming from AJ, I know, like, okay, we've got some magic around the corner.
Fat and Marty have been working their asses off. Lindsay Lloyd, formerly of ESPN, now with the WWE.
She is all over it. Lee, Nick, I mean, you're talking about.
It's been a great collab sesh. And, uh, during that break where we took 16 days off or whatever it was, I was able to think about, you know, hanging out with family, obviously amazing, hanging out with wife, amazing, hanging out with baby girl, amazing, you know, but at night when I don't sleep there, it was nice to be able to think about other stuff.
So it really came together then. And I think we pieced together a pretty good fucking show.
I think we got a good one. Wednesday night.
Okay, the reason why it's on a Wednesday night is because, you know, a lot of the guests, the surprise guests, normally booked Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So wanted it to be able to be something that could add to potential schedule already.
And the people that are going to be at this i think i think people are going to say holy fuck and everybody's mission is the same it's like we're going to give away a shit ton of money and uh we're going to put on a great show and just hopefully people have a big night ah so it's uh it's cool man and hopefully it works out And hopefully we're able to do some more. It is a big investment.
You know, all those big stages and lighting. Oh, yeah.
That all costs money out there, you know. And this is a Pat McAfee Inc.
production. So I appreciate all hands on deck.
I appreciate everybody that's helping. And if you're able to get a ticket or if you do get a ticket on Thursday, we're going to, I'm telling you, everything we could possibly do to make this the greatest show you've ever been to, we are doing.
And you can potentially walk out of there with a lot of money. We're going to be doing massive giveaways.
Massive giveaways, AJ. So it should be fun.
It should be fun. It's an arena.
I mean, that's awesome, Mike. It's an arena.
It's a big deal. It's not a theater, not a comedy be fun it's an arena i mean that's awesome like it's an arena

it's it's a big deal it's not it's not a theater not a comedy club like it's an arena yeah it's pretty crazy and um has to be an arena if you understand the show like it has to be can't happen in a theater no can't happen that was a conversation that happened a year ago whenever i was like i'm gonna do this and i tried to hire somebody that was able to do what the WWE is going to do. And they were like, they should definitely try this in a theater first and then kind of get our bearings.
I'm like, can't do it in a theater. Okay? That's just not even fucking possible.
So that's a good call. But can somebody dangle from the roof if need be? Not saying it's happening.
But if somebody was to, is that going to look? Or how do we go about doing? Well would have to enter it thank you i don't think you're thinking the same way i'm thinking uh this is gonna be a big night i think so thank you to everybody that comes in advance uh 18 plus 18 years of age or older because we're gonna be giving away a lot of money so that obviously is a a big part of it and uh yeah i'm pumped about me i'm very excited oh yeah i'm gonna be so i i think i'm gonna get a little emotional afterwards oh yeah i think yeah obviously when it goes great there's a lot of aspects of it that there's a lot of things that need to come together but that's why you have wwe that's why you have the wwe kind of doing it there's gonna be some shit now hey we got some shit I think people would expect that you know you're putting this situation on they know you're not just going to go in there and you know give an hour and a half lecture to people and be boring yeah yeah and I yeah gonna lose gonna lose a lot of money on this particular show a lot of money but i think if we put on like this legendary show definitely like there's no questions asked about was it worth it or not it's like yeah just want to just want to know if this is possible like i need to find out if this is possible because i've been thinking about it forever so we're gonna do it april 9 April 9th, Wednesday, at the PPG Paints Arena.

There'll be $20 tickets available,

and no ticket will cost more than $100.

It's going to be electrifying.

You'll sing, you'll laugh, you'll cry maybe.

You have the time of your life.

A big night.

All right, thank you guys.

AJ, are you coming?

Yeah, you're a part of it.

You've been put into the show, so you need to know that. I'll be dangling from the ceiling, hopefully.
Okay. Maybe.
Maybe we readjust what the show is. Everything's fluid.
Everything's fluid. Everything's fluid.
AJ dropping down like a bat. In his football pants, of course.
If they could harness me up, I'll do it. Just you coming straight down from the middle out of nowhere?

You're all swinging around, not knowing how to get down,

so I'm just hanging there for the rest of the show.

It would be me being the one that would just...

Yeah.

What's up, AJ? How you doing?

Stop pushing me.

Like a tetherball?

Stop pushing me.

You're supposed to push this button right here.

Just push the button.

AJ, what are your thoughts on the show tonight? And then we'll have somebody pull you back up. Fast.
I'm in. Vomit all over the place.
Pull nine Gs on your way to the top of PPG Paints Arena. We're not saying that's happening, but we are saying legitimately anything is possible at this show.
That is how you should be viewing it. And it's been a cool process.
Been a cool process. All right.
Be your friend something nice if i change your life we're back tomorrow uh i don't think we're on are we we're on espn today weren't we uh yeah i think definitely on that tv that tv's on espn okay so we're on espn today tomorrow we are not we're on uh espn news i do believe yeah because there's basketball championships happening i think it's going to happen a lot over the next uh like month or so march baby yeah i think we're here are you guys. Yeah.
Because there's basketball championships happening. I think it's going to happen a lot over the next month or so.
March, baby.

Yeah, I think we're here.

Are you guys in? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. 80-1.

To win it? Buy stock now.

Are you on

the Huskies? Of course.

Talking about Madison Square Garden.

Grew up going to Big East tournaments there.

Kemba Walker crossing over that guy from Pitt.

West Virginia. Gary McGee has a name.
Gary McGee, there it is. Who is the dude, Julius from Pitt? Who is the dude from Pitt? Julius Page.
LeVance Fields. There it is.
That was a great crew. They showed up at Boys Park one time, got a chance to watch them play.
Those teams were awesome. They're awesome.
St. John's.
Brandon Knight. One of the biggest first times.
Who's that, Patino? Yeah. They're rolling.
They're so good. Jam.
He has a documentary, right? Doesn't he like the Edge or something? Yeah. He's a dog.
Hard Edge? Or the Storm Bruin. That's what it is.
Because they're the Red Storm. So I think it's a Storm pun.
Okay. Well, college basketball is certainly something.
They're not the Hard Edge. Okay? There's only one team.
Basketball's version. That's trying to find Hard Edge right now, and that's West Virginia Miners.
It's going to take some time here. Huh? Let's make sure we'll remember the hard edge in October.
Let's remember it's going to take some time. Yeah.
We're going to find it. Oh, yeah.
Always do. And when we get it, Big 12 will look at.
This is what's coming, AJ, from his West Virginia Myers. I'm all in on Rich Rod.
You know that. He's giving great interviews.
I mean, every press conference is getting more and more comfortable. You know, I'm letting him know this is where we need to be.
Okay? You are exactly who you are. West Virginia is who West Virginia is.
Don't be scared to just be yours. He said, shit.
And he was like, I guess I shouldn't swear. And I was like, no, Rich, you should be Rich Rodriguez.
You are Coach Rod. He banned TikTok dancing from the locker room.
That was over the weekend. I didn't get a chance to hear his promo about it, but I assume the promo that he cut about the TikTok dancing, electrifying.
The guy's an orator. He loves ball.
And West Virginia's going to be back. West Virginia's going to be back.
We got a team. We're going to find one.
Need a transfer portal. Come through.
Both guys getting out and guys coming in. We will.
We certainly will. Dogs wanted in Morgantown, West Virginia.
Dogs required in Morgantown, West Virginia. Might not be able to field a team.
Darn it.'re okay. We got dogs.
Volunteers now. He's 22.
Bingo. Dogs, not hostages.
What happened today? What? Big signing this morning. CJ, GJ gets traded.
Big signing this morning. Daniel Jones is now with the Indianapolis Colts.
Vikings. Fries.
Viking signs fries to 80. I didn't hear the subtle disrespect to the Indianapolis Colts there.
No competition makes everybody better. Either AR or Daniel Jones is going to be better.
Whoever started. Amen.
Both. This contract's up.
Maybe both. Maybe both of them.
You know, get better. Both of the better.
We did. There was a QB system.
Do Yeah. No.
I'm okay with it. Okay.
E-Bot's not okay with it. I'm okay with it.
Whatever the case. Whatever helps us win games, you know.
Yeah. The Indianapolis Colts.
That contract for Daniel Jones is one year, 17 million, I do believe. He has 3 million in incentives.
He has 13.15 guaranteed. Right.
He has 850 in some bonuses and then 3 million in something else. So, you know, if he goes on and wins for us and plays for us, I think there's some money to be made, and that's a good deal if he's a good quarterback for us in the AFC South.
We have some breaking news out of Los Angeles. Oh.
Puka Nakua is changing his number to 12 after the 17 debate with Devontae Adams. Now, Puka Nakua was very upfront with us whenever he was asked by D.
Butch about the number 17. He said he grew up watching Devontae.
Obviously, he has massive respect for Devontae. Loved his vibes.
He said, maybe you give me unlimited Taco Bell for the rest of my life. You'll get this number, no problem.
Because I know you've been wearing it longer than I have, but I've been wearing it longer here than you have. So they had a conversation, and obviously they reached an agreement.
Puka Nakua now number 12 like it was back at BYU. The Cougar, Oose, and Devontae Adams now flanking Matthew Stafford and the boys with a defense that is ready to hunt.
Rams are the real deal, and that's a great edit. That's sick.
That is a great edit, and that took some time to make there. That took some time to create.
So shout out to the Rams social media team and digital team. And shout out to Puka Nakua.
Yeah, just shows you obviously what type of young man he is and also what type of respect he has for Devontae because you can argue that Puka is on a Hall of Fame trajectory where his career has started and where he's going. And we know who Devontae Adams is as well coming into that room.
This is dope. You know, and I'm figuring we've been in the locker room, so we know the locker room politics when it comes to, you know, getting your number and OGs come in and however that goes.
So I'm glad they figured it out. I don't care if we ever know how they figured it out or what deal got done, but it's dope to see, and I can't wait to see them on the field together.
AJ, I love Puka. I do.
And I don't know Devontae as well.

It feels like they're going to be a great team.

Awesome.

Yeah.

Devontae's awesome as well.

Like, yeah.

And they both want to win.

I think they're both unbelievable players.

But, yeah, I'm not shocked to see Puka do this.

I mean, Puka turns everything into, like, everything's positive for him,

I feel like.

There's no, like, negative outside stuff that feels like creeps into him.

Now, what if they did play Pig, though,

and Devontae came in there and just swept him?

Kicked his ass.

Devontae can play.

No, he can... There's no negative outside stuff that feels like creeps into him.
Now, what if they did play pig, though, and Devontae came in there and just swept him? Yeah, kicked his ass. Devontae can play.
He can play. Puka's a real hooper, too.
Yes. And I love that that was his first thing.
Let me go to this guy's Instagram, see if there's any basketball. How's this guy's a hoover? What's his jumper looking like? Pretty good.
Remember, we saw him in the locker room in Oakland, or Las Vegas. That was a big thing.
Remember they brought the mini hoop back and it was Devontae just pulling up on people and I assume Puka either respected that or he experienced that. Or, you know, 12, 17, no problem at all.
Alright, we're back tomorrow. There's going to be big news tonight.
Huge. Tomorrow's show? Huge.
Yeah. Wednesday's always on.
Cup will get released tonight or tomorrow morning. Yeah, tomorrow's a big day.
Rap Sheet's right. He should want to be free and be able to choose where he goes.
Yeah. Agreed.
Buffalo, maybe. Buffalo, maybe the Chiefs.
You think about the Chiefs, obviously, in any of these conversations.

New England.

Go to the Packers.

What about Green Bay for Cooper Cup?

They would love him.

He would be a stud.

Okay, Cooper Cup.

Maybe the Packers add another weapon over there. Washington.

Commanders are making plays.

They just add Debo.

He likes him to the Chargers.

He wants him to the Chargers over here.

I can see that.

Didn't you?

And weren't you the one who was pushing him to the Chargers?

I know I like DK to the Chargers for sure, but I think, you know, Ladd with what he does in the slot. Too many guys like him, you're saying? Too exciting? They can't have too many Vikings.
No, no, no, no. Too much explosivity? It's nice.
Zito just said Vikings. You know, maybe he goes with Kevin O'Connell.
Shit, Chicago. Sure.
Somebody say Chicago, yeah? Nobody said Chicago. With Keenan Allen leaving?

Yeah, because they've invested in the offensive line now.

Keenan's out.

Do you need another weapon in Chicago?

Who knows?

See, so much to happen.

We got Shaquille O'Neal on the show tomorrow.

Nice.

Oh, yes.

Shaquille O'Neal's new product.

That'll be a good convo tomorrow.

To be a good convo.

You know what it is?

I see the Shaq gummies all the time, like at the gas station. The sour ones are next level.
They're actually good. Phenomenal.
My kids get them all the time. Very good.
I'm not a sugary candy person. I don't do that stuff.
I'm more chocolate guy. The Shack gummies, we got sent a bunch of them over here.
The sour ones were good texture. I like that good texture, good flavor.
This next one is awesome. This is for DJ Diesel, I think.
This is for DJ Diesel. Yeah.
Have you seen one of this? I have. For the mosh pits.
Conor McGregor said, if you're going to Limp Bizkit tonight, I'll be in the middle of a mosh pit over there in Ireland. If you want to get your jaw broken.
You know what he said?

If you want your jaw broken, your fucking eyes

ripped out.

I didn't think about

that being a thing because I've never been a part of

a mosh pit. Been at a place where a mosh pit

was happening. Had eyes

on mosh pit. Oh shit,

they're really doing it.

They're really doing it. Alright lads, have a good one.

And then heading to another stage as it was taking place. They're fucking people up in there.
Elbows. I saw one once in the flesh, and it was definitely an experience.
That's a Caucasian thing, I feel like. Certainly.
Running around, watching people. This was a diverse one.
Really? Actually, Travis Scott was here. Here, a concert, big concert.
and the artists had a floating stage, I think wherever the Pacers play. Dane Bridge.
And wherever the stage moved throughout, and wherever under the stage was kind of like a light, it was just a mosh pit. What? Travis Scott.
I didn't know who Travis Scott was at this time. Full chaos.
Full chaos. Boom, and then he just got out of there.
Somebody was crazy. Tony? Those mosh pits are a real deal.
I mean, the one I watched. You there, Tony? No, I was not there.
There was a blindside coming. There was a couple blindsides coming.
Just out of nowhere. People kept the side.
Bang, you're out. Yeah, and once you punch a guy, you just act like you're right.
And then, boom! Whoa. I'm like, well, I love what you're getting the motion out, you know? And I think people are training for these mosh pits.
Yeah.

I think there's people training for it.

I think there's people training for it.

I don't know how ESPN News hasn't picked it up as a sport after that tire wrestling.

It would be better.

Surviving mosh pits.

If you go to the last 25 minutes in here, there's three MMA guys in here.

And you got two somewhere.

You don't know who they are.

It's like the Joe Schmoe show.

You got two boxers in here if you want to keep an eye out.

You figure it out pretty quickly.

Those who survive will win.

20 minutes on the clock. Metal music on.
Boop. And then everybody's just rocking.
Boom. Boom.
Arm bar maybe in there. Bang.
When do you know when to start? Have any of you boys been in a mosh pit? No. I wish.
Oh, my God. That's a bummer.
I'm wearing a helmet and a cup. Missed my window.
Nick, you have it?

Mouthguard, maybe?

Nick would be my bet.

No mouthpiece.

Yeah.

Yeah, Nick's not a bad guess.

Why would that be your bet, Tony?

Because you were in a car club.

In a car club?

What's the car club?

Nitrous Rush was a fucking good group.

Okay?

Just unfathomable amount of lies coming out of your mouth right now.

Nitrous Rush?

Do you have jackets? Duh. Car stickers, bro.
Just listen. Whenever that thing would pull up on you.
You know, coming from the guy who had his own name on his license plate and his number, this is tough. This is tough to hear.
Diggs 11, driving around town. Touchdown, Tony.
I didn't know that. Listen, it was a Chrysler LHS.
It wasn't a souped up, I'm super impresa. I'll tell you what.
Nick, I don't like that he immediately thought that you'd be the guy that might have been in a mosh pit before, but I thought that as well. Maybe Nick did find his way into a mosh pit.
No moshing for me. I don't even know who in my life.
Bill, what are we talking about? I have friends that have done it, and they say essentially you link eyes with someone from across the mosh, and you say we're doing this, and then you link up and smack each other. Okay, where's Baylor McComas? Bill's done this for sure.
Bill. Bill, introduce us and teach us of your mosh midways.
And they call it moshing? Or is it called bid?

You ready to mosh? Are we doing this?

Are we moshing tonight? Bill probably carries the knife.

Bill would stab the guy 20 times.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Can you imagine?

I can't imagine.

That's where you go across the line.

Bill's got an ice pick. He's got a double ice pick.

Look out. In the crowd here tonight, there's a guy with two ice picks.
You can't die. For sure.
I was at a day to remember show. I think it was 2014 or 2013 at White River State Park, and there was a mosh pit that broke out.
I was on the outer perimeter because I'm not going to get in the center of that thing, but there's fists flying. There's feet flying, there's people getting uprooted, like full flips.
Did you get hit at all or you were just on the front? You were pushing people back? No, I was kind of just like, yeah, go guys, go, in the very back. Oh, so you were the wall of the mosh pit.
Yeah, yeah. There's a tornado happening to humans in here.
You don't leave. Yeah, you don't want to be in the eye of this storm.
No. That's the target there.
All right so, Bill, you've had an assist on a mosh pit. I've been mosh pit adjacent.
He's been pitting. Okay.
I don't know if he's been moshing, but he's certainly been part of the pit. He's been pitting.
He made the pit. Yeah.
Maybe we go someday. You guys have fun.
Yeah. You guys enjoy that.
White River definitely has some moshes going on down there. Bruce would be the one, I guess, after what we saw with him with Mike Posner.
There was some great – He tried to get it going there. Yeah, he did.
He was doing a full-on. Oh, yeah.
Come on! He's headbutting people. Two feet taller than everybody.
The best networking in the middle of the mosh voice. You just got to get in there, maybe throw a couple elbows.
Have you ever been in the middle of a mosh pit?

No.

No.

So I was actually going to go to White River for a concert of a random band that I had found and enjoyed, but I found out that they moshed,

so I did not partake.

Oh, you were scared to go see your band?

I was scared to go see my band, yeah.

I'm not moshing.

Dude, put some armor on.

Get out of there.

No.

Go support the lads.

Elbow pads?

I was probably frowned upon.

What's that?

You know, we get padded up. This guy would go out there.
I'd put Skelly on at least. Put Skelly on.
Yeah. Girl, wear a spider.
Did you see the new era shirts they were wearing at Combine? Yes. Why'd they have little pads on the shoulders? I don't know.
I hated it. Yeah.
Sensors, maybe? No, no, no. They were full on pads.
But they wear under your pads. Yeah, they're like little skelly, kind of.
Maybe 7 on 7 has them.

I don't know if that's what 7 on 7 wears.

I thought it looked pretty stupid.

Simulate an in-game situation where you have shit on your shoulder.

I don't know if they thought maybe there would be contact, too.

I don't know if they thought maybe because there would be at least a little bit of pad.

Like 7 on 7, there's like those little pads.

I've seen those ribs.

Yeah, and then they got the little, just in case there's casual kind of. I don't think the Combiner's ever going to be any of that.
No. Maybe they're selling these for 7-on-7 though.
Promotion's stupid. I thought New Era had some good shit.
We got some of the good stuff. The New Era stuff.
You have a jacket? Awesome. No, I don't.
Oh, you're talking about the Combine numbers. Yeah, I thought you were talking about the new era hat because they said no i don't well they said a couple things that i think got left behind but yes the combine uh uh hoodie was was sweet and then yeah the sleeveless was cool too and the long sleeve yeah i thought they had some good shit but the things they were working out in i didn't that didn't i was confused we didn't see that stuff either in the they didn give any of those.
Yeah, we're not in the game. No, not quite.
How are the video games that work? Are you guys playing video games now? When is the video game? I'm playing – I was playing a game. Your Swedish gaming device? It was NHL.
No longer playing. You quit the game? Oh, yeah.
Don't let Don Cuey take the game away. No.
This is what happens when you're a real fan of a team. Yeah.
Yeah, this is. There's a couple games coming out here soon.
March is a big video game month when it comes to releases. Huge.
I heard a lot of people saying we got a Cena turn heel before GTA 6. What happened? So this game has allegedly been coming out, what, the last 10 years? No, not even.
People have just been waiting and waiting and waiting. But the thing is, everyone played GTA, are still playing Grand Theft Auto V, which came out in frickin' 2013.
So, like, there was... Great game.
Great game, yeah. But Red Dead Redemption, like, the network that makes it, Rockstar Games, they've released other games similar to GTA, but it's, like, Red Dead.
It's old times, like, cowboy shit. Western.
Yeah, Western. Great game.
So sick. But now GTA 6, yes, is finally coming out.
Am I hopping on like, instead of in cars, stealing cars, I'm still hopping on horses? Yeah, literally exactly that. Robbing trains, robbing old time banks.
Sounds sweet. It's one of the greatest games ever, actually.
Red Dead Redemption. Redemption 2, yeah.
You get to choose if you're high on or low on or basically good guy, bad guy, and it changes the storyline as well, so like a Goosebumps novel kind of. Really? It's sick.
It's next level. Better than GTA.
I know. I'll tell you what, when I go on missions on GTA, I have it on my phone.
So I have it downloaded on my phone. So if I'm in a plane or at a time where every once in a while I'll go in there and hit some missions with my guy.
Driving around those towns, just like trying not to cause any shit. Yeah, very hard.
Yeah, we don't need hooty-hoo coming after us. Bump into a cop.
Accidentally, it's over. All right, fuck.
Now I'm being chased for the next 45 seconds. Well, that's the thing.
Now you've got to kill him. Exactly.
I don't want to do that. No.
And then all of a sudden we've got more. Yeah, so I enjoy a GTA every once in a while.
Yeah. It's coming out in the fall, I think.
But they've been saying that for years, right? Yeah. That's the thing.
They haven't really ever said, like, it's coming out now. It's coming out now.
It's just been people have been so eager about it. And then I believe they released the first trailer last year.
And they were like 2025. So then people were like, oh, let's go.
March April. They're going to release GTA.
And then they announced like December 2025. And people were, of course, we're going to have to wait again, but that's going to do very, very well.
That'll be the, the most sold, the highest grossing video game of all time, without a doubt. Hey, that means we need to lock in on GTA five.
Yeah. Sorry.
We're GTA six. Is it more gory? Can they, is there like the blood more realistic? You chopping dudes' heads off? What is the new one? I don't think they even have to do any of that.
They don't have to up anything. They just have to release a new one.
Bigger map. Yeah, the map's three times the size is kind of the new appeal.
Yeah, new people. I've played this GTA game on my phone, I'd say 20 times.
Most I've ever played a video game. Maybe Mario Kart, because Mario Kart was kind of just like something that was dropped in everywhere.

Yeah.

I can see why people – how long do people normally play that game?

Grand Theft Auto?

Ten hours at a time.

I beat it because I'm very casual.

I beat it like maybe two years ago, and it had been out for a decade.

Okay, so how long do you play it one time, though?

Oh.

That's not one of those games people get lost in, is it?

Oh, yes.

You certainly can.

Really?

Like the Dungeons and Dragons?

Yeah, you can play it for like six hours straight.

You can do it a whole day you certainly what i've beat it multiple times just because it came out so long ago so when it first came out obviously i played it and then like i don't know probably what to what bruce said like a couple years ago i was like i haven't beat gta in a while so i re-downloaded and played it again. One time it took us six hours to be like a bank heist.
You could play online. And you're just in there the whole time.
Just doing one mission over and over. When do you eat? Do you eat? Yeah, you just go get some pizza rolls.
Pause classic. Is that the one you guys kept falling off that cliff or whatever? Shocks.
What was the group? Yeah, Hungry Shocks. Hungry.
The Shack Gang. The Shack Gang.
Yeah. That was a good time.
There is also people who have been in that game so long that they've become billionaires, not like the human person, their video game character. Now they're playing Sims and they got a king.
Exactly. And it's like an illustrious achievement.
There's only four people, I think, in the online game who have earned over a billion dollars. And they're just living in there every day.
Yes, they do not. If I was a billionaire, I guess in a different world, I'd want to be living in there.
That's what the metaverse was trying to be, but it actually already existed. It was just GTA VTA.
You remember when they were selling land in the metaverse? That was quite a good money grab. How's that going? 500k.
It's already gone. We already missed it.
We missed the window. You're getting the spot next to Snoop Dogg's spot.
Yep. Well, how the fuck do you know that? Is that real? Yeah, look.
And they pull up a picture. Snoop Dogg's spot.
This is your spot. You can buy it today.
Yep. And you can even get access to buy more in the future.
Okay. I was boxing in there like every day.
I was actually in that world every single day while it was happening because it was a great workout. Boxing in there, Thrill of the Fight, I believe is the name of the game, and Ugly Joe is on the cover, and it's a great workout.
And you've got to throw bombs. You know, you can leave it to the judges, I guess, if you're like Evan Fox and Darius Butler and many others.
Technician. I'm in there throwing bombs.
I'm trying a great workout. So I actually felt like I was kind of in.
I know how to operate. You almost killed Chuck.
Exactly. Chuck fought Ugly Joe, and Ugly Joe's chin that day certainly had a little bit more than we thought.
He was sturdy. Chuck Pagano somehow survived a three-round fight with Ugly Joe in there, and I still think he might be sore from that particular fight.
But I felt like I knew the meta world a little bit because I was in there so much. So whenever they started offering these things up for sale, and it was like a lot of money, remember? 500 grand.
It was a live next to Snoop. It was just tough to do.
How would that work? I don't know how that works because I can just change my thing to face this way. I could change the world just by hitting aa on this thing and all of a sudden i'm taking batting practice in new york but wait i want to face this direction let me just do this so where is the space locked down at well this is snoop spot and you're locked down right here it's like but what if i fucking just look this way am i don't worry about it it's for sale yeah And people bought that.
$50,000. So many different parts.
Do people actually buy it or do they get gifted it? Do celebs get gifted land? I think people were selling it, and I think people bought it. I think there's people buying, like, saying they created a world in there, and you can get space within the world.
And it's like, okay, maybe possibly you can create a game within there. I get it.
But property inside this is quite a hot scary if he didn't buy a bunch of it then we know it's not real no no the the celebs were gifted it but that's how they sold it as like hey you're near snoop dog like that was the big one so like the celebrity people i don't know if they bought how many people can be near snoop dog because we've all heard that a million times was the pitch. Remember, we were live.
I think we were live while it was happening. There's a lot of links.
You ever see The Floor? You ever see The Floor on Fox? Good show. The Hole? Hole is a great game.
Needs to come back. The Floor is who's the handsome guy? Rob Lowe? No.
John Hamm. Rob Lowe is the host that jack ham is very handsome host of the floor rob low is the host of the floor oh yeah i've seen okay so you've seen this before the it's interesting whenever you say a lot of land touching it because the goal is to get a bunch of the other people's spots and you're like kind of taking over and then whoever you're connected to is who you can attack you know and like do a trivia uh head-to-head against and every once in a while there's people that would just take over like 30 spots from one thing and it's all of a sudden it's like over you're not the favorite i wonder in that meta thing if there was like you could buy the whole fucking place two million bucks if anybody pulled the trigger on that because there was a lot of scams going on there was the meta world that was real estate that was being sold that was alongside every other fucking coin that was being dropped at the same time there's a lot of scams going on.
There was the meta world, real estate that was being sold. That was alongside every other fucking coin that was being dropped.
At the same time, there was a lot of like, hey, you're getting a lot of money right now from the government because everybody's stuck at home. Why don't you spend it on this? This is good investment for your future.
I was always too dumb to understand it. The monkeys, the apes.
Yeah, NFTs. In like 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 figures.
Remember the cards you opened live on the show one time that were part of that situation? They're currently in a lawsuit, I believe. Top shot? We had that guy on.
Remember, he was the expert. Oh, that was awesome.
And I kept saying, what if I screenshot it, though? What if I just... You don't own the IP, but it's the same looking.
I have it as my background on my phone, though. So, is that...
I don't understand how I don't own it now. You still have that one card.
You're going to be rich. Zion Williamson, his first dunk.
Dunk against the Kings. Oh, shit.
$50 or $500? Forget if it was $50 or $500. We bought it.
I think it was $500. $500.
Physical cards are back. Kids are into cards now, for sure.
Tops, Fanatics, Panini.

However they did it, they did a good job getting kids all... It's back 1998 again.
95. The card breaking is...
We do it with WWE every show. They basically talk about the cards and everything.
I think if you listen to Lefkoe talk, right, years back, you listen to Gary Vee talk, years back, there was like, cards are real. You need to get cards.
And I'm like, I'm not collecting cards. I apologize.
Now it's like, there's a lot of card collections going on right now. Maybe we should have got ahead of that.
This is the thing. I always think everything is a scam.
I still got a Gary Veemon right here. Hell yeah.
I got a couple. I got a couple of them too, yeah.
I got them right here. This one was owned by, two of these were owned by Gary Vee.
Guess which two? The Eagle. The Eager Eagle and the Gnome.
Oh man. These two.
The Eager Eagle and the Petty Pony. Dickhead Donkey.
The Eager Eagle and the Hype Horse. The Hype Horse.
Get eyes. Bam, bam, bam.
What exactly are those? What exactly are these? Fucking wake up. Welcome to the 21st century, dipshit.
These are Gary Veemon. These are Gary Veemon.
You can trade him. You can play with him.
See, look, I'm the hype horse, bitch.

Fuck you.

But you're going to do great today.

Let's go.

Get hyped.

And shout out to America.

Shout out to America in your right hand right there.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

America, let's go.

I'm the eagle.

Let's get eager about life today.

Yeah.

It's like you're mocking it.

I don't like it. No, that's what you can do with it.
We're not getting into this again. We're not going through all.
Sure. Wine cross over.
The likable leopard, I'll tell you what, I haven't seen that in a while. How about like a sponge? I like that.
And the loyal lobster. I'm a legit llama dog.
I'm a logical lion. Level-headed lizard.
I haven't seen Gary get boozed up on a stream lately. What's going on? Yeah, how come we're not house and wine breaking cards? He drank like 10 bottles of wine.
That was awesome. I forget what night that was.
We were just watching him. He's just hammering bottles of wine.
Hammering them. I'm like, Gary Vee's kind of boozed up right now on a stream.
Breaking cards, beating the boss. The loyal lion will fucking really end the day.
Yeah, well. Intuitive and iguana.
What about the lit lamb, brother? What about the lit lamb? It's a good one, too. Hypehorse, not a bad name.
I love the Hypehorse. What about the Hypehorse? They got a lot of those on there? I doubt it.
They're just the hype. Let's get out of here.
See you tomorrow. Be your friend.
Tell a friend something nice. It might change your life.
We're no sitting together. Team on me.
Team on three.

Hey, great work in the back, boys.

Graph boys.

Graphic boys.

Way to go.

Graphic boys.

Way to go, boys.

Team on three.

One, two, three.

Team.

Goodbye.