PMS 2.0 1300 - Franchise Tag Deadline Day, Kirk Herbstreit, Shams Charania, Adam Schefter, Dan Orlovsky, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 0 Sport, sport!

Speaker 1 Hello, beautiful people!

Speaker 1 And welcome to our humble abode, The Thunderdog, on this franchise tag deadline Tuesday, March 4th, 2025. This program starts now.

Speaker 1 Sports are happening all around us, and the NFL has a massive deadline today at 4 o'clock.

Speaker 1 We'll have Adam Schefter join us in the next hour to get the up-to-date information around the league on who's getting franchise tag.

Speaker 1 What player has played through their contract, thought they were going to hit a massive payday for longevity and maybe long-term security for their family, and is actually getting told by their team, you ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 1 You're with us for another year, brother. That's how this is going to go.
Now, the franchise tags have already been out this particular cycle. T.

Speaker 1 Higgins gets it for the second straight year, which means there was a bump in pay of what the normal wide receiver franchise tag is by 25%, I do believe, because he was already franchise tag once.

Speaker 1 This is the second time in a rogue franchise tag. This is the last time they can franchise tag him.

Speaker 1 Back in the day, they used to be able to franchise tag people one time, two times, three times, I think even four times. Julius Pepper's got franchise tagged three times.

Speaker 1 Adam Venatieri got franchise tagged three different times. They've made a rule that you can only do it twice.
T. Higgins is in the second year of that.
Osa.

Speaker 2 Otegizua.

Speaker 1 Osa oh.

Speaker 1 Franchise tagged by the Dallas Cowboys. Dog as a.
defensive tackle. Excited to see how that works out.
And then Trey Smith, obviously, offensive lineman for the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 They have an offensive line question. Got to keep one of their best guys in there, a pillar of everything.
And then it has come out through various reports and insiders.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold, Javon Holland, and Chris Godwin are not expected to be tagged. So congrats to those three gentlemen hitting the open market.
Hope it pays them mightily.

Speaker 1 And who else will get tagged around the NFL? We'll keep track of all that today. We'll talk to Schafter in a second hour.
We'll also talk to Sean Shirani in a second hour.

Speaker 1 Sean Shirani, a senior insider for the NBA for ESPN. Obviously, coming on to talk about Kyrie Irving.
Poor's ACL last night again.

Speaker 1 Shot his free throws, though. Tears Tears falling from his eye.
Barry's two free throws.

Speaker 1 And those will be the last two shots of the year for he, as this will do it for Kyrie Irving's 2025 season down there in Dallas.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he picked up a brand new teammate after losing Luca and Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis got hurt in his debut game for the Mavs after going crazy.
He did have a good start.

Speaker 1 Kyrie Irving now out for the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 And everybody's looking at the GM named Nico, who got together with the conditioning staff and the nutritionists and some other suits and somehow convinced themselves that they were more important than Luka Donczik to the Dallas Mavericks, shipped him out of town.

Speaker 1 And now the Dallas Mavericks are without Kyrie, which is a bummer for all of us because watching Kyrie do his shit is worth a watch all the time. But Anthony Davis not playing.
Kyrie now out.

Speaker 1 And the Mavs fans, mass exodus. Yeah.
Third quarter. This ain't even fourth quarter.
This is a third quarter. Remember, there was protests about Luca being sent out of town.

Speaker 1 He was the face of that franchise. This Nico guy, formerly of Nike, I think, think, was the one that negotiated the deal with Anthony Davis and with Nike.

Speaker 1 I think he's also the one that called Steph Curry

Speaker 1 Steven, maybe? I forget. He messed up the entire pitch for Steph Curry.
We've learned a lot about this guy because, boy, Mavericks fans hate this guy.

Speaker 1 And a lot of people around the NBA go, this guy might be the dumbest guy in the history. I think some people said he actually might have a fetish for being humiliated.

Speaker 1 That is why he made this decision. I mean, that's how far it went with this general manager for the Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 1 Now there's conspiracy theories in abundance about the future of this Mavericks Mavericks team. And I guess you have to have that convo.
Mark Cuban sold that team.

Speaker 1 Obviously, last year, we were wondering what the deal was. Then we heard maybe they were trying to get a casino in town.
Now the casino hasn't been cleared.

Speaker 1 Are they trying to lose down there in Dallas? Let's go to the talks and table at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 1 It's getting loud on the internet about them tanking and trying to get kicked out of Dallas. This is all alleged, but this is a very loud talking point that we are not making up.

Speaker 1 This is just actually happening in the real world right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's all alleged, but the woman that bought the team from Mark Cuban, I believe, made a majority of her money, family money from casinos.

Speaker 2 And the first thing that she said basically was, oh, okay, like we're going to put a casino, hotel, the entire thing, a Patriots place, which we see with the NFL, you know, Jerry World, obviously very profitable.

Speaker 2 You go, you stay for an entire weekend, a week. You got the hotel right next to the place.

Speaker 1 It's all right there next to all the money.

Speaker 2 It's all the money, you know, in one place. We see the top two teams in the NFL when it comes to revenue per home game.
You know, the Cowboys make, you know, 70 plus mil per home game.

Speaker 2 The Patriots make 50 plus mil per home game because they own all the stuff around the stadium. That's where everyone is.
That's where everyone spends their time.

Speaker 2 So one of the first things allegedly she wanted to do was put a casino there. Obviously, hey, that's not going to happen.
Oh, okay. I'm not allowed to do that.

Speaker 2 I'm going to move the team to Vegas because that's where, you know, that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 Allegedly.

Speaker 2 Allegedly, that's where my, well, not allegedly. Her stuff is, you know, there in Vegas, but allegedly, that was what the threat was.
Allegedly, response, no, you can't move the team from Dallas.

Speaker 2 Dallas is a staple. The Mavericks in Texas,

Speaker 2 they've had success recently, both going to the finals and then also Dirk Nowitzki beating the Heatles not too recently.

Speaker 2 So that entire thing. And then allegedly after that entire, hey, no, you can't do this.
You can't move the team. You guys have a face of the NBA.
Well, no, we don't. No, we don't.
We are rolling.

Speaker 2 No, we don't. He's actually.

Speaker 1 We got an eyebrow of the NBA, but he's not going to play a lot of games. We don't think the way it's going to go.
And he has a chance. We're not giving up.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 We got Kyrie, Anthony Davis, New Think. This is for the future of the team.

Speaker 1 But you can see how the people who are, you know, conspiring these ideas about what's going on with the Mavs, because the decisions are being

Speaker 1 looked at as puzzling by everybody. Basketball brains, other people from outside.
Like, these dudes...

Speaker 1 They're going to be making decisions, try to get the hell out of town, try to make their fans hate them. And I'll tell you what, it worked.

Speaker 1 Their fans are bailing on third quarter, Joe.

Speaker 1 Go us the hell out of here.

Speaker 2 Not all bad, though.

Speaker 1 They are also raising ticket prices i think eight to ten percent next quarter so that that's a classic one too so okay we don't have any of your favorite players and you're gonna have to pay more money you don't want to come right we can't move tickets here anymore that is wild move if that's the case what a uh heel villain move oh yeah by new owner to come in right underneath mark cuban's nose because he's still a minority owner and he still has those tickets you know and he's still at the games and he's looking around like i'm just confused everybody else feels like everything we maybe built here is kind of crumbling right in front of our eyes obviously Kyrie's injury doesn't help with that convo.

Speaker 1 We are sending nothing but T's and P's to Kyrie. That sucks, dude.
We are so sorry.

Speaker 1 And the Mavs fans, Luca's doing it no way. Just go with me.
Luca is absolutely doing it. Just go with him in Los Angeles.
And Lakers are now the number two seed in the West.

Speaker 1 And LeBron James is playing like he's 35 years old again somehow or 32 years old, whatever the case is, even though he's 40 plus. Luca feels right at home and all of L.A.
has embraced Luca.

Speaker 1 And in this time with the fires and the devastation, if the Lakers are going to run, you're talking about an entire city kind of coming behind it.

Speaker 1 The NBA does have some interesting storylines brewing right now. One of them is Tyrese Halliburton's the greatest of all time.
So let's never forget that with the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 1 That's nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler.
He agrees. That's

Speaker 3 I didn't know that. That was news, Matt.
His numbers, assists, turnovers have been historic. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Wes Trueblood here, Wesley, full name. He said Tyrese Halliburton is one of the greatest point cars I've ever seen.
I clicked on Wesley's,

Speaker 1 he is a Pacers fan. So this guy is a basketball follower, basketball lover, Pacers fan.

Speaker 1 Since 2000, a player recording at least 60 assists in 10 or a few turnovers in a six-game stretch has happened 196 times. Here's a list of the most points scored during those stretches.

Speaker 1 Oh, Tyrese has all of them. Tyrese is the guy.
You want a facilitator on the court? Tyrese is humble enough to do that. You want a little flash? He'll certainly put it through his legs.

Speaker 1 He's not scared to do a full court pass if he has to. And then he'll even do one of these while the ball is flying through the air.

Speaker 1 Steph Curry has the no-look three-point shot where he puts it up and then he turns around and walks away. Tyrese will do that with a full court pass.
And dude's got range.

Speaker 1 He's pulling up from the logo at this point. Tyrese is ready to lead this Pacers team to a deep, deep, deep run in the playoffs.
So good luck to everybody on the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 1 That includes the Celtics and the Cavaliers. And do the Knicks even have a team? Nope.

Speaker 1 What happened with them? They were the team last year, remember? No, no. Yeah, they're very good.

Speaker 2 They're 40 and 20.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they can't beat anyone winning rounds. Okay, so it's Celtics, Cavs, Knicks, Pacers.
Don't sleep on the Pistons, boys. They're hot right now.

Speaker 2 Bucks are also, I believe the Bucs are four, then the Pacers, then the Pistons.

Speaker 1 Anyways, we'll talk to Seams about all this in the next hour.

Speaker 1 Excited to hear his thoughts on what's going on down there in Dallas because we're just reading the T Leaves on the internet like we do with everything. We feel like we're actually more prepared

Speaker 1 than everybody else that comes on TV with a teleprompter and has somebody else type it up and tell them what to say. So

Speaker 1 that's neither here nor there. Basketball is cooking.
Baseball is cooking. Remember, we got bumped yesterday for spring training.

Speaker 2 And it was a great game.

Speaker 1 Was it?

Speaker 2 6-6 in the ninth inning. I think I want to say

Speaker 2 the O's may have walked off the Red Sox on the bottom of the ninth. It was an unbelievable game.

Speaker 1 Well, it was an unbelievable game.

Speaker 4 Ended in a tie, actually, 6-6. There you go.

Speaker 1 Baseball, baby. Baseball's got a lot of soccer.
I didn't know that. I mean, it makes sense.
Spring training. Spring training.
NHL is happening, obviously, stadium series this weekend.

Speaker 1 94,730 people packed the horseshoe in Columbus, Ohio, to watch the Blue Jackets and the Red Wings do their thing.

Speaker 1 So we'll talk to Kirk Herbstreet, who is there with Peter and family this weekend in about five, ten minutes or so to get his thoughts on. Not only that, but everything.
Peter, hold it down, brother.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm impressed by, Peter? He used to see a puck and just like, you know,

Speaker 1 yeah, like, you know, Hotel Transylvania? Sure. Do you know this movie? No.

Speaker 3 I know it. I just haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 Adam Sander movie. It is.
I'm telling you. Is it a cartoon? That's Sam.
Is it a cartoon? It's a cartoon. It's animated.

Speaker 1 He's Dracula. Sure.
Obviously, he has a family. His daughter is a monster.
She falls in love, marries a regular human. Regular human and her have a kid, obviously.
Now, Dracula is trying to make kids.

Speaker 1 I've watched four of them, brother. Hotel Transylvania 1, Hotel Transylvania 2 might be the best one.
Just

Speaker 1 because it's after they're together. Like Shrek.
And then 3 and 4, also very good. Adam Sandler as Dracula.
Just

Speaker 1 so good.

Speaker 1 I don't even know how to...

Speaker 1 I don't know how I got into talking about Hotel Transylvania strictly because I went into a trance right there. That movie might be the best movie that Adam Sandler has ever made.

Speaker 1 I've watched it 400 times. 400 times.
Anyways, they get into a scene, though, where they're out in public or out in the woods because Dracula's trying to find a kids, go out and see.

Speaker 1 They're out in the real world, not in the forest that they live in with the monsters. And they have a wolf with them.
Or one of the monsters is a big bad wolf. You know, so they have the monster.

Speaker 1 Frankenstein hangs out with them. Invisible man hangs out with them.
Wolf is one of them, big bad wolf. And the big bad wolf has to go out there and like scare the shit out of somebody.

Speaker 1 And somebody throws a frisbee and this wolf just gets distracted. It sprints against frisbee, come back in the car, has nothing for the people.
Adam Sandler has the line like, you're the big bad wolf.

Speaker 1 Like it is a great moment Peter not chasing those pucks is maybe the most impressive thing that I've seen out of Peter because he could see them all night and Peter is a very athletic very excitable dog from what I have learned and uh great pooch this thing is strapping lad Connor obviously has his own detail on him but Peter was at the game the NHL and uh loved Peter being at the game Herbie was at the game we'll talk to him about that we'll also talk to him about what's going on right now during the draft scenario there's Jorge up in the front there uh r1 obviously, Big Jake.

Speaker 1 Then you got Zach there. Then you got Chase here, Michigan man in

Speaker 1 enemy territory. Jorge there is a dentist.
And this kid, I have no idea who it is. I assume he's a great kid.
Good smile on this kid.

Speaker 2 Where's Peter? Can we get Peter in the photo?

Speaker 1 Peter's on the ice, I think, chasing a puck.

Speaker 1 I mean, there is a chance they had a great family outing over there. 94,000 people at a hockey game is cool.
Yeah. That is a very cool thing.
Excited to hear his thoughts on it all.

Speaker 1 And obviously, there was a lot of Ohio State references in the game. It was a helmet.
There was a Buckeye, the whole thing. I'm excited to hear what Herbie thinks.

Speaker 1 And then we'll talk about what's going on in the NFL, which leads to one half of the hammer to Cowboys AP Tone. Toe,

Speaker 1 franchise tag deadline today, four o'clock. Who should we keep an eye out? What teams are making moves? Who is really active right now around the NFL?

Speaker 5 Yeah, so one of the teams that I was looking at specifically was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Chris Godwin.

Speaker 5 Now they said they're not going to tag him, but they are still going to try to get a deal done with him.

Speaker 5 Obviously, the Chiefs have tagged uh their offensive line and and they're talking about potentially getting a deal done there um it's just it's a lot of these things where like is sam is sam darnold going to get tagged because you know we talked about it uh a few weeks ago we're like that would be that would make the most sense for the vikings because because you tag sam darnold you get him in a good number if jj mccarthy's not ready yet that happens and you could still trade sam darnold if if someone wants him bad enough you tag him and trade him in a situation like that those are those are really the teams that are mostly dealing with the tag deadline right now okay so let's talk about a player that was already tagged and now has negotiated a long-term deal.

Speaker 1 Osawa has agreed on a four-year, $80 million deal with $58 million guaranteed, $20 million signing bonus. Congrats to Osa.
Wow. I believe Osa will be joining our show.
in the next few days

Speaker 1 to chit-chat about all this. We do not know him yet.
We cannot wait to meet him, but we do know he's a wealthy man. Congrats to Osa.
Obviously, you can Google everything about him.

Speaker 1 This guy as a D lineman for the Dallas Cowboys has been a game record. Doesn't get a lot of conversation about him because Michael Parsons is obviously over there.

Speaker 1 Dallas Cowboys crumble down a stretch. They don't play good.
Zach Prescott gets a lot of chatter. Jerry Jones gets a lot of conversation.
What the hell is going on in that building?

Speaker 1 What are the Cowboys? And then, obviously, the Commanders have had this incredible year. The Philadelphia Eagles are Super Bowl champs.

Speaker 1 So whenever we talk about the Dallas Cowboys, there's a lot of negative. There's not a lot of shit to get to.
This Osa fella never chatted about.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the Dallas Cowboys appreciate his contributions to the Cowboys. $80 million deal for Osa.
What a game record, D-Buck.

Speaker 3 This is how they they free agency bags started off a couple years ago. Started with a bunch of interior guys, interior offensive linemen, interior defensive linemen.

Speaker 3 You got to be able to stop the run and run the ball. So pay and taking care of one of your guys before the market even starts.
Like to see it in Dallas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that can happen with T. Higgins.
T. Higgins can also get traded.

Speaker 1 Anybody that gets franchise tagged today is still

Speaker 1 very much wide open. This is not a final four o'clock today.
The four o'clock deadline is on the teams to decide whether or not they want to have control over the next year of said player.

Speaker 1 Now that money's guaranteed, so you have to put that money up in the franchise tag, and obviously you have to account for it. Some teams have numerous guys.

Speaker 1 Like there's a lot of players on some teams that are ready to leave, ready to go. There's some teams right now that are dealing with a lot of players wanting to be traded.

Speaker 1 There's some teams right now that are looking to trade players because they have to pay some players. That leads to the San Francisco 49ers.
They traded Debo to the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 1 I think everybody loves that. We'll talk to Dan Orlovsky in a third hour today.

Speaker 1 I heard him chatting about how much he loves this move for the Commanders and for Debo, but they're like, Ayuk is potentially available. We're in a very busy time in the NFL right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it's awesome just with all the fodder around it.

Speaker 2 Like, I remember when the offseason started and Tone wrote on his whiteboard, like, the offseason is the best because there's so many possibilities. Like, T.

Speaker 2 Higgins getting tagged at first, of course, devastated Patriots fan, want T. Higgins more than anybody in free agency right now.
But then I decided, you know what?

Speaker 2 I'm only going to listen to what Adam Schefter said. And Adam Schefter said last week.
week, hey, this is going to happen with T. Higgins getting franchise tagged, and then teams can come get him.

Speaker 2 So as a Patriots fan, still very, very excited. But it's just sweet now that we can start playing the place game, especially with Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 Is Sam Darnold going to be the QB of the future for the Raiders?

Speaker 2 And is Tom Brady going to get in Sam Darnold's pocket and basically tell him exactly where to throw the ball every single game day with those cool meetings he would do on Saturdays with Bill Belichick?

Speaker 2 Is he going to now do that with Sam Darnold? Like the possibility are endless. It really does feel like the NFL is still all the way at the forefront of talking.

Speaker 1 You bring up Sam Darnold. He's a massive piece of the conversation.
It's almost like the Darnold Domino now is the next one that is going to fall in the quarterback conversation.

Speaker 1 Now, allegedly, that has been reported that the Giants are in on Aaron Rodgers. Are they also in on Sam Darnold?

Speaker 1 Is Sam Darnold open to going back to the Minnesota Vikings because how great they were all season until the final two games? Now, will he take a shorter

Speaker 1 kind of deal or a big-time money deal somewhere else?

Speaker 1 I mean, there is a lot of combo around Sam Darnold right now because we're chit-chatting about him potentially getting 50 million a year last year with how he was playing.

Speaker 3 And he earned it. We love when guys have good years on contract years.
He came in to kind of be that bridge quarterback for JJ and play out of his mind. We're in draft season now, combine season.

Speaker 3 And when Sam Darno was coming out, he was kind of like the bell of the ball when it came to draft. A lot of people thought he was going to be the number one pick in that draft.

Speaker 3 Ended up going number three. Didn't start off how he wanted it to.
And then you get with KOC, you get in this offense. We get the guy we had on yesterday, Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 3 And we kind of saw the best of what we can expect from this guy. Still in the prime of his career, very, very young.

Speaker 3 And I think he will enter that $50 million club, along with another guy we were talking about when the Debo Samuel deal went through.

Speaker 3 Here's the guys who's making 50 plus right now in the NFL, and I would expect Sam Donnell to get up in that bunch if he can get like a nice three-year deal with after what he's done.

Speaker 3 And then Brock Purdy out in Sam Fran. We definitely expect him to crack this list.
You talk about getting rid of Debo Samuel.

Speaker 3 Obviously, you're expecting that's going to be opening up some money on the books for Sam Fran for Brock to probably get in that maybe $55 million range up there between Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 You look at this graphic and the number one conversation that has been around this number and how this percentage of a salary cap to one position has been you can't win a Super Bowl like that.

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts did it. How about it?

Speaker 1 Howie and the Philadelphia Eagles were able to figure out how to give a large percentage in proportion to every other position of the salary cap to a quarterback and still build the best roster in football.

Speaker 1 So just do what he does. Why not everybody just do what Howie does?

Speaker 2 Well, because they draft very well.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, just do what Howie does.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I suppose you could do that. The Purdy thing will be interesting, though.
That'll be very interesting. We talked about it a little bit yesterday, but there's a chance, too.

Speaker 2 Like, who's to say they could do the Kirk Cousins thing?

Speaker 2 Like, they could, you know, he could play for like $5 million this year, whatever I think it was, like $5.1 million, and then franchise him two years in a row.

Speaker 2 And then over the course of three years, they end up paying him, what, like $97 million? Like, he's not going to love that. His agent's not going to love that.

Speaker 1 But if you're the niners like that's a pretty good bargain for them as well joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who probably has a thought on all of this uh he's got a big old brain funny huge he's got those baby blue eyes oh man he's got skin like an armadillo

Speaker 1 because he gets attacked a lot needs it welcome to the club brother i've been canceled three times since coming back last week wednesday isn't that crazy not a full week back in the thunderdome baby

Speaker 1 i was having a time my life on vacation so

Speaker 1 this ain't bad you know? I'm a guy that loves working, loves being active. Start thinking about other things.
Big night out. Date will be released in the coming days.

Speaker 1 And then tickets will go on sale shortly after. We are close to a big night out in Pittsburgh.
An unprecedented evening, I believe, is how people would describe it after it's done.

Speaker 1 Big laughs, big sing-alongs, massive giveaways, a couple million dollars worth.

Speaker 5 Big night

Speaker 1 out.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the face of college football with both game day and the primetime game on espn called the national championship obviously called the semifinals he's also the man who uh kicks off nfl weekends on thursday night with amazon prime ladies and gentlemen front of the program peter's dad kurt kirbstreet

Speaker 1 how you doing budd boys how we doing dude life is good man how about you life good what are you getting what do you what are they coming after you for now after your vacation uh well we alluded to yeah

Speaker 1 yeah yeah yeah we alluded to the number one story in the world that I think a lot of these suits had no idea existed because they don't do research all day, all night on the internet.

Speaker 1 So then they try to kill us, never said a name, said allegedly, even showed empathy because that is an incredibly sad,

Speaker 1 sad, sad situation. But very real situation that was happening in the world in which we live.
And then obviously, Canada booze our national anthem. I got to do what I got to do, you know.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, that seems to be a fireball offense. Take this guy off all microphones because he's proud to be an American.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you know,

Speaker 1 it's a good time. Fireball.
Get him off there. This guy's going to put us into a permanent political problem.

Speaker 1 Shut up, dude. You know, like this guy.
This guy's the worst. Anyways, nonetheless, it's great to be back.
Love that we get to do this for a living.

Speaker 1 Feels like we get treated the same as everybody else that has a microphone and talks about sports. It is an honor to do it.

Speaker 1 With that being said, draft season, combine season, franchise tag season. What's a big conversation? Sam Darnold.
Let's start there. Obviously, you get a chance to watch him go through college.

Speaker 1 You watch his NFL career go the way it goes. You watched last year.

Speaker 1 How it ends is a bummer because everybody was waiting for that to happen with Sam Darnold, seemingly, even though their team was 14 and two, had a chance to be the number one seed in the NFC.

Speaker 1 Had an offense that was dynamic all damn year. His last two games, he doesn't play his best football.
The Vikings don't play their best ball. And everybody says that's who Sam Donald is.

Speaker 1 We go from him making $50 million a year in this world to what's this going to look like for Sam?

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on Sam Darnold and what do you think about the rest of the quarterback market, Herbie?

Speaker 6 Well, I think it starts with JJ. You know, if J.J.
McCarthy is not there, then I think this is a totally different discussion.

Speaker 6 And I think when you have a year the way he enjoyed last year with KOC, who has an offensive system that's very quarterback-friendly, he was able to flourish.

Speaker 6 Not to mention, obviously, the ability that was around him. But I think, you know, you talk to KOC, who to me is one of the...

Speaker 6 one of the great guys to talk to when it just comes to just talking ball with him. I mean, how much does he love J.J.

Speaker 6 McCarthy after the year that Sam just had in a time right now where, let's face it, if you don't have the guy, you have no shot at the postseason.

Speaker 6 He's got a guy, but I think it sounds like, based on if you're reading the tea leaves, that they're going to go back to J.J. McCarthy because they had such big visions of what he could become.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 6 it's incredible.

Speaker 6 But I think that tells you, if that's the route they go, how much confidence in where this offense potentially can go maybe where the franchise can go with jj mccarthy so i think he's the wild card in all this if he's not there i think it's no-brainer you re-sign sam uh what do we have about six or seven teams right now that desperately need a quarterback pittsburgh giants raiders browns jets titans jets jets I mean, would you throw the Saints in there?

Speaker 6 I mean, Derek Carr's got another few years, but, you know, they're going to eventually, unless they think Rattler's their guy,

Speaker 6 there are a bunch of teams out there that could use Sam Darnold. And

Speaker 6 there's never been a knock on Sam Darnold's ability to throw a football ever. I mean, that's his physical skill set.
That's what makes the timing of this conversation interesting.

Speaker 6 You know, a lot of people put so much into these workouts.

Speaker 7 Will Howard, it's like everything he did

Speaker 6 this year on the field, it's like he had a terrible workout. He's trash.
It's like, geez. you know, I mean, it's amazing how

Speaker 6 we look at this position and we forget that it's the ability to process, it's the built, the intangibles, the leadership, decision-making.

Speaker 6 That is tenfold, can you hit an outcut to a receiver you've never thrown to at the combine? And yet we just, we put so much into

Speaker 6 what you do at the combine and what you do at a workout versus what you do when you wear shoulder pads and a helmet and your ability to be able to read the coverage and make good decisions. So

Speaker 6 Darnold was able to show that.

Speaker 6 Up to that point, he's not been consistent

Speaker 6 in that skill set as being able to really break down a defense and have quick decisions and know where the ball needs to go and put it out there accurately.

Speaker 6 And he put that on display and he's going to be the beneficiary of that. So that's exciting.
That's great for him.

Speaker 6 And now we get to look at all these rookies and most of these quarterbacks, wouldn't you say if they they were coming out last year? Oh, yeah. I don't know if they're up there at one and two.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's been the narrative going into the combine. And then coming out, I don't think anybody has really changed anything.
Cam Ward, obviously, a superstar talent, great leader down there in Miami.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people are hoping. Shador Sanders obviously is held in high regard.
A lot of people talking a lot of things.

Speaker 1 There are some reports coming out that some people in meetings didn't feel like Shador was as invested or something like that.

Speaker 1 Shador also just always has like a, Shador is always like this, it feels like. He's been in the spotlight since he's what, junior high probably.

Speaker 1 So he has probably built up a callus to having him over-emotional. They probably, I think they probably know what's happening already.
It feels like the Sanders

Speaker 1 might already have a heads up on what's taking place with him. If not, he feels comfortable enough whenever he gets in a building to go.
But yes, to your point, last year's draft class was absurd.

Speaker 1 And they ended up performing in an absurd fashion, which leads to JJ. Back to the Minnesota Vikings with J.J.
McCarthy.

Speaker 1 We've always said it feels like the coach of the year, Kevin O'Connell, can drop a play for if you can throw a football. It feels like you can be a quarterback for that particular team.

Speaker 1 JJ, we know, can spin it. We know JJ is an incredible leader.
We know JJ is beloved by his teammates, but we have no idea if JJ can read. NFL defenses.
We have no idea what this entire thing is.

Speaker 1 So in my eyes, they probably want to vet for another year, you know, just to see if JJ is ready or if he's a guy, because I don't know how much he was in the building.

Speaker 1 But is it going to be a guy that's worth as much as Sam Darnold? I'm not 100% sure. And what is Sam Darnold worth?

Speaker 6 Those are all fair thoughts. I just give a lot of credit to KOC's ability to evaluate quarterbacks and ability to,

Speaker 6 if he's willing to let go of Sam Darnold, if in fact that's the direction they go.

Speaker 6 You know, think about what Kirk Cousins did at his age in that offense.

Speaker 6 And now picture Kirk Cousins at 23 or 24 with mobility. Like,

Speaker 6 you know, we get around these guys in college.

Speaker 6 What JJ McCarthy did for Michigan to get them over the hump in 21.

Speaker 6 Now, he was the quarterback and it was a great defense and a lot of great players on that team, but he gets them over the hump where they beat Ohio State in 21.

Speaker 6 gets them to the playoff where they get embarrassed by Georgia, come back to, or I'm sorry, that year they ended up losing to TCU in a a game they should have won. You guys remember that one?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that TCU gets embarrassed.

Speaker 6 I mean, think of that three-year run.

Speaker 6 Beat Ohio State, lose to Georgia, beat Ohio State, get to the playoff, probably should have beat TCU, should have been in the national championship, come back the very next year and get it all done.

Speaker 6 That's on his back. That's him doing that.
And I just, I,

Speaker 1 you never know with quarterbacks, but watching these guys and watching the intangibles, putting KOC with JJ McCarthy and the talent on that roster to me the Vikings go to another level with JJ McCarthy and what I think he can do in that office get better with JJ saying hey what are we talking about also save a lot of money to build up that roster because you've already spent money on Justin Jefferson another JJ who's obviously phenomenal he was on our show yesterday love that man great I would like to let Kway if you would like to trade him to Indy I don't know if I have the power to make those decisions but

Speaker 1 how things going in Indy right now with you and the colts and the boys and i shook chris ballard's hand talked to chris ballard down at the down at the combine i talked to shane snipe

Speaker 1 i just told him i thought his locker room was crap you know i i didn't think that was his fault i didn't think it was his fault i just think like the players that are in that locker room he probably had faith would be professionals and a lot of them aren't you know so like i don't put that on him but kind of though you know like that is the i i feel like that the players should show up for your team a lot more than than they do especially with everything we were hearing well when you play when you play

Speaker 1 a lot of stuff

Speaker 6 not just the Colts obviously heard a lot of stuff that's like this is not professional guys all those guys came back they had their reunion if that group type of guy if they witnessed what was happening allegedly in this locker room that you're saying,

Speaker 6 how would that be handled? Would that be handled by Tony? Would that be handled by the players? No, yeah, that's players.

Speaker 1 That is like a lot of this shit is locker room stuff. Like anytime you hear coaches go like, the team needs to be led by the locker room, like the locker room needs a lead.

Speaker 1 It's because like the coach can say something, obviously, but if the coach can't reach the person in the first meeting, like, here's the expectations, it's like the players have to hold each other accountable is my thoughts, which is why I said the way I said the things I was saying about the Colts is like, hey, this is on your locker room that this stuff is happening.

Speaker 1 Like, and I don't know if they took that. You're probably getting a phone call from the Indianapolis Colts locker room right now.
Don't listen to him. Don't listen to him.
Yeah, he's not, he's lying.

Speaker 1 He's lying. He's lying.
But it's like the things we've heard, it's like, it feels like there has to be some sort of leadership in that locker room going, hey, that ain't how we roll around here.

Speaker 1 And that's how it would have been. Like, when I got in trouble, obviously everybody was happy that I was okay.

Speaker 1 But immediately, I got a bunch of texts from all the OGs that are like, hey, you're blowing it, brother. Like, this is not, this is, A, this is your life.

Speaker 1 This is like everything, but also, this is not how we operate over here. Like, you need to clean your shit up.
You know, like, it was like

Speaker 1 a stern talking to almost.

Speaker 7 But isn't that the case in team sports?

Speaker 6 Like, the elite teams have what you're you're describing.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. And we have enough talent in Indianapolis.
Like the talent is in abundance. We've paid so many people.
There's a lot of experience.

Speaker 1 It's like, but in a locker room, just letting people get away with shit like that is.

Speaker 6 Well, who are the guys potentially on that roster that can provide that?

Speaker 1 Well, you can just look at the people that have been paid second contracts almost completely through it. They've been here since the beginning.

Speaker 1 It's like, but one of them for three weeks was potting at the beginning of this entire thing. And it's like, that sets a standard.
And then it's like, it just continues to go.

Speaker 1 But with that being said, everything could change. Boys, they take a change.

Speaker 6 You guys still go to the games, right? You guys dialed in next year?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I heard me. All right, let's move along.
I don't know about that. Let's move along.
We heard it's not just the Colts, by the way, also at the Combine. Heard that it is a,

Speaker 1 I don't want to see an epidemic, but there's a lot of teams that are operating in ways that you don't think professional athletes should be operating.

Speaker 1 If you have a good culture right now, I think that is not as rare. Dang, as rare.

Speaker 6 That's a great thing. Instead of us complaining, because it's in college football, obviously, too, with NIO and the portal.

Speaker 6 So instead of saying, if I'm a franchise, if I'm a GM or I'm an owner, instead of complaining about what's going on.

Speaker 1 Do a thumbs up. Do a thumbs up.
Double thumbs up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've been dancing over there. You and AI kind of tag team in this interview.
I appreciate that. Bro,

Speaker 6 why did the fireworks go off?

Speaker 1 Because we're celebrating you making a great point about team culture, it sounded like, coming out of this combine.

Speaker 6 I'm saying, if you're an owner or a GM

Speaker 6 and you're dealing with these players that are coming in, it's a very different deal than you're used to. To me, isn't that

Speaker 6 like look at Ohio State or look at Notre Dame or look at these teams that are trying to figure it out in college.

Speaker 6 Can't you separate yourself now by finding those guys? They're out there.

Speaker 6 So I'm a if I'm a GM I'm not just going to Indy and I'm clicking the 40 and I'm oh you've got a 40 inch vertical this is great like aren't you trying to get to know these guys and trying to build a locker room you know instead of just worrying about having an all-star team with a bunch of physical freaks like I think it's more of an opportunity to separate yourself by finding the right guy to kind of nip in the bud what you're describing sounds like is going on in Indianapolis right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because everybody's going to make mistakes, obviously. That happens.
These people are growing with money. They're in the spotlight.

Speaker 1 But it's like getting everybody to be going in the same direction and caring about team and just feeling winning. Feeling as if you care, at least like at least portray that you care, that you are.

Speaker 6 Look at Justin Jefferson, who you talked to yesterday. It was a great interview.
Thank you. I've watched him since this guy was like a zero star, one star.
He had older brothers that went to LSU.

Speaker 6 His brother was a quarterback.

Speaker 7 And he wasn't highly touted.

Speaker 6 And he really developed and made himself with that competitive spirit that he has the player that he became at LSU with Jamar on one side him on the other I mean it was ridiculous in 19 with Burrow throwing to him and if you watch him at times at LSU you could see if you didn't know him his wiring and you didn't meet him if he didn't get the ball early in a game you you could see hey is this guy selfish is he worried about himself but once you get to know him and you watch him and listen to him talking yesterday this guy's competitive spirit is unique and he's dialed in Does he get frustrated at times?

Speaker 6 Sure, but he's dialed in on the game plan. He knows what they're trying to do.
And when it doesn't happen, he's not saying, give me the damn ball.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, we're winning, but I'm not getting my catches. This guy dialed in on winning the game and what it takes to win the game.

Speaker 1 Let's execute. Let's execute.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. I'm guessing if things aren't going right because they're losing the game, he's on the sideline talking to guys about what we need to do to win and compete.

Speaker 6 See, that's gold right now to a franchise. And you just got to find them.
You got to find those dudes that are willing to bring more than just their physical ability.

Speaker 1 When we talked to Harbaugh and Hortiz, it was like, that's all we're looking for, basically. Talked to McVay yesterday.
What are you looking for? Dogs. That's all we're looking for.

Speaker 1 You look at the Kansas City Chiefs. I assume they're going to bring in dogs.
Bean. People that buy in.
Bean at the Bills. All he's looking for, people that buy into the team and be dogs.

Speaker 1 It's like the teams who are good know. You know, it seems like the teams that are good know in Philadelphia Eagles, I mean, they have

Speaker 1 literally all they care about is like we go.

Speaker 9 Detroit Lions. Bingo.
Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 Bingo. All these teams that are good seemingly have a very similar thing happening.
And all the other teams have something else going on. Maybe.
Rabes. I would throw in there.
Maybe we. Rabes?

Speaker 6 Ravens. Ravens.
Vrabes will bring it to New England.

Speaker 1 Okay, on that note, Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Herbie, Vrabel, obviously getting hired to New England, basically the biggest hire, the first hire of the entire cycle. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 And then some of the other guys as well, Glenn to the Jets, you know, Pete Carroll to the Raiders.

Speaker 2 Do you feel as though kind of that tough culture is coming back a little bit and are you expecting the Patriots

Speaker 6 15 games like I am or where are you out with them and Drake May well I think we all know braves we all know his wiring

Speaker 6 you know I always wondered even when he was at Tennessee is he going to end up back in New England at some point and and replace Bill Belichick I think we all kind of thought as he became more and more successful in Tennessee that that was going to be potentially something that could happen down the road.

Speaker 6 It's a natural fit.

Speaker 6 I'm sure, I haven't spoken to him lately, but I bet you, like any of us, because of the experience that he had in Tennessee, the way it went down, he had a chance to kind of regroup in Cleveland, kind of on the back burner, and a chance to really grow and continue to become a guy that can relate to what we're talking about.

Speaker 6 If anybody understands what we're talking about, it's Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 7 I mean, Vrabes got it as a player.

Speaker 6 He had that, his experience in college and, of course, in the NFL when he got eventually to New England. And he understands the value in that.

Speaker 6 And he's very, very good at being able to relate to these guys still, see him put the pads on and hit dudes.

Speaker 6 I try not to be super biased towards Vrabel because I'm a huge fan of his. I've known him since he was 18 years old.
But I have a ton of faith that who knows how many games are going to win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're talking.

Speaker 1 He's packing both sides and the top, having a look, and then doing this. And then he'll race you and he'll beat you, too.
Like, that is the...

Speaker 6 His wife, Jen, will whip your ass, too. So, I mean, the whole deal.

Speaker 1 I mean, they just

Speaker 1 such an Ohio family, isn't it? Disgruntled family. Now, New England.
They are

Speaker 1 taking Ohio. Now they're a New England family.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to watch Rames up there. He was already, you know, making the rounds.
He did, there was a reading day, a national reading day.

Speaker 1 He went to a local school and was reading big applause, handshake. Obviously, he loves the community.
He's probably done a lot with that community in the past.

Speaker 1 Remember, Remember, whenever he went into the Ring of Honor or the Hall of Fame or whatever it is, he said, do not take this for granted how special all they say is.

Speaker 1 And that was basically, allegedly, the

Speaker 1 get this guy out of our building, says the Tennessee Titans people. So I think he's eager to get back there, eager to turn the franchise back around, eager to make him a contender again.

Speaker 1 And I think he loves the community. I think he loves the team.
I think he loves everything about this team.

Speaker 6 And remember, you don't want to be the guy that replaced, you know, the guy that has to be the guy that steps in after Bill Belichick. You want to be the guy that replaced the guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's always a good place. That's a good place.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think the timing of this is outstanding. And New England obviously has to be.

Speaker 2 kind of they got to be thrilled with you know bringing one of the boys back oh yeah uh to bring him back to the glory years yeah he's actually trying to find a vrabel quote to put on the other bicep at this point that's coming that might even be a tricep i mean it was just shocking like as soon as like mayo gets fired immediately after that game the first thought is holy shit they're really gonna bring vrabel back and then for it to happen the way it does yeah it was like it was talked about for like two, three weeks there leading into the end of the season.

Speaker 1 Like, yo, Vrabel's coming back. Yeah, Vrabel's coming back.
Vrabel's coming back.

Speaker 6 And by the way, the Aaron Glenn, I've just spent a lot of time with him doing these Lions games and get some one-on-one time with him.

Speaker 6 And then hearing the story about how he, hey, I'm a former player. Like a lot of these guys now, they're former players.
They want to step in and be like Deion or like Eddie George.

Speaker 6 They want to become the head coach.

Speaker 6 Aaron Glenn intentionally went basically to the bottom and worked himself all the way up and learned every aspect of the franchise to one day become a qualified in his mind a qualified head coach i just really respect phenomenal player maybe could have had hey you know who i am i'm a pro bowler right let me start as a secondary coach but he kind of worked his way up paid his dues was a big part of that detroit ability to turn that franchise around witnessed it i'm excited to see what he can do i mean he's going to a black hole as far as trying to win

Speaker 1 first yeah that's what we're about that was my next question that was my next question so you think the Jets organization can win? Is what it sounds like.

Speaker 1 If everything you're saying with Aaron Glenn, everything you did in Detroit, it's like, okay, so wearing that jersey.

Speaker 7 If you let him,

Speaker 6 if you let him bring in what he learned and the ownership is

Speaker 6 hands off, and you're just going to let this guy do his thing with the new front office, then, yeah, I think they can.

Speaker 1 Well, I do wonder what Brick's going to learn from Aaron Glenn. Because you talk about like this

Speaker 1 getting a chance to

Speaker 1 experience everything. Yeah, well, you're talking about Brick learn or teach up AG on what it's like to be a gentle.

Speaker 2 Aaron final level, get your masters from Brick.

Speaker 1 I understand that Brick could probably share some information with Aaron Glenn, the new head coach.

Speaker 1 Brick Johnson's who we're talking about, Woody Johnson's son, who gave out game balls after the game. New York Times reported that.
Not us. We're just telling you what was being said.

Speaker 1 We have not got that confirmed from asking in the locker room, strictly because we don't want to have the embarrassment of your organization to get the actual story of it.

Speaker 1 So with that being said, Woody has allegedly come out and said,

Speaker 1 I have to learn to be a better owner as well. Brick wasn't around the locker room, I guess, the last few weeks.
So maybe, maybe the Jets are making a turn. Good luck to the Jets.

Speaker 1 Good luck to the Jets. Good luck to them.
Because we're riding with you.

Speaker 6 The last one is Petey Carroll coming back. How great is that?

Speaker 1 I mean, that's wonderful.

Speaker 3 Honestly.

Speaker 1 He got kicked out of Seattle, Herbie. He got kicked out.
He said he went in there and fought for his job. Remember, he said, four hours or something and competed for my job.

Speaker 6 Yeah, man, but you know, maybe, you know, it's so hard to sustain, uh you know when you i don't know how many years how many years was he there 10 12 i i can't remember how many 14 yeah 15 maybe i don't know but you know you get to that 10-year mark it's really hard to keep it going so maybe they maybe seattle just felt no matter how much they loved him they needed to start fresh i'm just glad to see i thought maybe that was it for him I'm glad to see he still has that fire.

Speaker 6 He's coming back, hires Chip Kelly, he's the OC. We all know about Max and what he brings on the defensive side.

Speaker 6 This is a, I think, a franchise all of us want to kind of see get back to being the kind of franchise that they can be. And hopefully Pete Carroll can do it.

Speaker 6 Big problem is, obviously, who's this quarterback?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tom Brady and ownership. And obviously, Tom Brady, very hands-on from what we're hearing.
Tom Brady is very, very, very, very, very, very active.

Speaker 1 We're talking about everyday phone calls, long conversations.

Speaker 6 Would you expect anything less? No. I mean, if he's going to put his money up there,

Speaker 1 so I thought, I did expect less, actually, because, like, minority owners in the NFL, you don't really hear much from.

Speaker 1 Minority owners in the NFL you only hear about whenever they become majority owners in other places.

Speaker 1 And the reason why a lot of people become minority owners in teams is to prove the NFL that you're willing to get into their league. We understand what it is.

Speaker 1 And then hopefully you get an opportunity to become a majority owner somewhere else. Tepros with the Steelers.
Harris was somewhere. Like there is a lot of this that takes place.

Speaker 1 So you very rarely hear about minority owners

Speaker 1 in their hands in the weeds.

Speaker 6 He wants seven rings. I mean,

Speaker 6 bring him in.

Speaker 1 I agree. See, AI agrees.

Speaker 1 AI does agree. But I don't think I expected it because nobody's ever done it.
But then once you hear, like, hey, Tom Brady's the one doing the interviews, it's like, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 If you have the capability for Tom Brady to do the interviews, you should do that. Hey, Tom Brady is like day-to-day, keeping up on everything.
It's like, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 If you have Tom Brady doing all those things. So if you have a quarterback, you would assume Tom Brady will help in the entire process.
We should.

Speaker 6 Tom Brady will help every aspect of any franchise. You know, I mean, let him in there and

Speaker 6 how he works works with Pete is interesting, right?

Speaker 1 And that whole dynamic. Chip Kelly, too, the offense coordinator.
I mean, there's a lot.

Speaker 1 And they're saying Russell Wilson, maybe Justin Fields, maybe get a veteran quarterback in there that you can pay not as much as everybody else.

Speaker 1 Then maybe you still draft Shador, who obviously very tight with Tom Brady and Mark Davis, and they're in the top 10.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, there's a lot on the table for the Las Vegas Raiders, but Tom Brady being hands-on, to your point, with seven rings, good news for the Raiders. Hopefully the same for the Jets.

Speaker 1 Speaking of the Jets, they have a quarterback conversation happening as well. Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Herbie, the first thing the Jets did was they basically anyone who had any ties to Aaron Rodgers, they said, get the hell out of here. We're done.
We're not doing this again.

Speaker 2 This is a great thing.

Speaker 1 No ultimatum, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no ultimatum, obviously. You can do what you want.
You're just not going to fucking do it here. So, you know, get out of town.

Speaker 2 But we've heard now in the coming or the last couple weeks that the Giants, after they lost out on Matthew Stafford, they're full bore on Wanton Rodgers.

Speaker 2 It seems like that's kind of the only option if he does want to play right away, barring what might happen elsewhere. Like we just saw the Raiders aren't necessarily interested in him.

Speaker 2 In your opinion, what do you think Rodgers is going to do this next year?

Speaker 6 I mean, you guys would know better than anybody based on you guys being around him as much as you are.

Speaker 6 I got to believe that now that he's fully healthy, in his mind, he can still execute and make plays and lead a team to victories and eventually get him into the postseason. If he feels that way,

Speaker 6 you got to think, we just went over the list of teams that are out there. Don't you think somebody is willing to take a chance and give him a shot to prove what he can be?

Speaker 6 You know, at this stage, his career, after what happened with the injury and what happened last year with the Jets, where he just couldn't get going.

Speaker 6 I think people that are evaluating it, they're evaluating it on how much of that falls on him, how much of that falls on the franchise as a whole.

Speaker 6 But man,

Speaker 6 it's still Aaron Rodgers. And you watch quarterback play every week in this league, and you think a guy like Aaron Rodgers, what is he, 41 now?

Speaker 6 If he's healthy and he's 100% and he's all in, you got to think somebody out there is going to be willing to give him a shot and show what he can do if he's the Giants are already basically saying, allegedly.

Speaker 1 Allegedly, yeah, it's all up to, that's a big decision whether or not he wants to come back and play and sign up for it.

Speaker 1 And maybe the last three games, four games, where they were balling and being everything that we all thought they were going to be for their entirety at the Jets with that offense, maybe that's enough for him to go out and say, Yeah, I could still do it if I had to, but I'm good.

Speaker 1 You know, I played great at the end. I proved people I could still get back from an Achilles injury.
We had some success. But in my eyes, there's no way.
What's your guys?

Speaker 6 What's all your gut? What's your gut feel? Does he play next year?

Speaker 1 I think he plays next year. Yeah, just strictly because anytime this situation has arose, is that the proper word? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Arose.

Speaker 1 You look that one up. Arose, such a clatter, I believe, is from the Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's when the

Speaker 1 Port Griffiths. Yeah, right there when he comes down there.
You know, anytime these situations have arose in the past,

Speaker 1 AJ Hawk, who is

Speaker 1 very tight with Aaron, goes like, I don't know

Speaker 1 what else would Aaron. Yes, Aaron's going to play football is what AJ always says.

Speaker 1 Even though Aaron has not told AJ, and I think everybody that's around Aaron assumes that like that decision could, you know, that could go very easily both ways.

Speaker 1 You you watch enigma and i think you know greeny has and the world has and you learn a lot about this man who i think has been misunderstood and misrepresented by a lot of people for a very long time i think he's a hippie who's super competitive and obviously goes about doing his business how he does it everything he does though the ayahuasca the darkness retreat that is for him to become a better football player he's trying to work on himself to become the best version of himself to become a better football player and obviously a lot of ridicule comes to him about not being married not having kids yada yada he's ball player this guy literally loves ball he's an old school football player.

Speaker 1 Still has the loose strap that he undoes every single time. Getting hurt and still playing is a big deal for him.
So like, I think a lot of people don't really judge him by who he actually is.

Speaker 1 They judge him by what they hear about him from other people who don't know him. And with that being said, he is one of the most competitive people on earth.

Speaker 1 The reason why he loves the NFL is because it's an ability to scratch the competitive itch that he's always going to have for his entire life.

Speaker 1 I assume, and he won't say this, and he obviously doesn't think this is the case, but like when he gets into golf at some point when he retires, he's going to get very, very, very good at golf.

Speaker 1 He's going to get very locked in at golf because right now he'll play twice a year and he'll end up shooting 73, 74. Wow.

Speaker 1 Like he's going to be one of those guys who's all, he doesn't think this because he is a hippie, plays guitar, does the traveling, likes to do a lot of inner perspective searching and everything like that.

Speaker 1 That competitive drive that he has is going to, he's going to have to get into something.

Speaker 1 And he knows that if it's not football, deep down he knows if it's not football, it's going to be something else.

Speaker 1 So I think the ability to still play football at the level that he has with the bad taste in his mouth without the Jets went, because I think he wanted to bring a parade to New York.

Speaker 1 I think he was very, he took a lot of pride in being the one that was going to do it. So I think he still has a bad taste in his mouth.
I think he plays football again.

Speaker 1 I don't know where the hell it's going to be. The Giants allegedly...

Speaker 6 Are you guys going to be allowed to interview him if he does play? I read something you guys weren't allowed to.

Speaker 6 It was part of the deal.

Speaker 1 What do you got there for me?

Speaker 1 There's an ultimatum allegedly from Scoop Town that there was an ultimatum made to him that if he wanted to come back and play for the Jets, he was going going to have to stop doing our show.

Speaker 1 And once again, it never ends. It just never ends.
And then the GM comes out. Yeah, that's bullshit.
We're moving on regardless. It wasn't like he said we're not doing the show.
So who knows?

Speaker 1 We're cool with whatever. We've been very lucky that we've gotten a chance to chat with him.

Speaker 6 We all enjoy those weekly interviews.

Speaker 1 Not everybody, not everybody.

Speaker 1 Not everybody enjoys them. Oh.
I don't agree with his opinion. Get him off of my coffin.
That is

Speaker 1 how some people operate.

Speaker 6 You get some of that?

Speaker 1 I've gone on some rides.

Speaker 6 So you stay the number two seed in the room at getting

Speaker 1 heat.

Speaker 1 I think Connor, pretty good.

Speaker 1 Connor's pretty good. You get some stuff?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I don't see any of it.

Speaker 1 I can't really read very well. Yeah, so he just keeps it.
It doesn't even matter. You know, I think Connor is probably going to get meat.

Speaker 1 Other than that, it's just, you know, we're up here having a conversation, you know, based in reality, okay? With some jokes in between. We're just joking.
We're just, hey, and also informing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which leads to this.

Speaker 1 Now let's stick with the NFL. Let's stick with the NFL before we move to other topics.

Speaker 1 With that being said, there is a man who hosts Everything DB, Good D, Bad D, who has a question about these prospects that you would know more about than us.

Speaker 1 He butt, representing Compton Country Club.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 Got to ask you, because I'm sure you called a bunch of these guys this game. And every year I feel like it's a rookie DB corner that hits the ground running.

Speaker 3 This past year was Queen Yan Mitchell out in Philly, also Cooper DeZine the slot. Who this year do you think will be that guy? Because we had some great performances at the combine.

Speaker 3 Harrison, he flew out of Kentucky. Baron, I feel like he tested much better than I thought he would.
And he's played all over the defensive backfield.

Speaker 3 Will Johnson, a phenomenal corner out of Michigan. Who's that corner, that DB, that you think will hit the ground running and take the NFL by storm this year?

Speaker 6 I think it's John A. Barron.
That'd be my guy.

Speaker 1 Had a great combine.

Speaker 6 Did he? Yeah, I saw he ran well.

Speaker 6 He worked out, which was fun to see these guys.

Speaker 6 Some of these guys opt out for obvious reasons. This guy decided to go out and compete.

Speaker 6 I covered this guy a lot, probably called over, I don't know, 11 or 12 of his games. And I love to see a guy,

Speaker 6 and you understand this better than anybody.

Speaker 6 One year he's out there playing that slot and playing it as well as anybody. And when you say that to people who are fans, when you play the slot, it's not just, okay, he's on the inside.

Speaker 6 i mean he's in run support he's blitzing

Speaker 6 he's playing in space he's playing man i mean the versatility is off the charts with him and then you know the next year he comes back and he's on the outside and maybe you can explain in layman's terms how hard that is at the elite college football and nfl level to have the skill set to play both in and out but he did it flawlessly and he's got some great intangibles great leader captain so not only the numbers are going to jump out, but he's played in a lot of big games at the highest level.

Speaker 6 And like I said, the versatility is what makes me think he's got a shot to really step in year one in the NFL and be turnkey.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's, I mean, that's really, really, really tough to do to go from that inside and go outside. And he won, he didn't just go out there and excel.
He won the Thorpe Award this year.

Speaker 3 But yeah, so on the outside, you have that sideline kind of as your friend. But outside of that, you're pretty much one-on-one in the island if you're any type of man-to-man situation.

Speaker 3 And when you're in that inside, you got space to your inside, space to your outside, got to communicate with your linebackers, play the run game, just completely different position.

Speaker 3 I love this guy and everything he's done on the football field as well. He kind of reminds me of like a Malcolm Jenkins.

Speaker 3 He was a guy that was the top corner in my class when we came out, but you didn't know if he was going to play safety, if he was going to play in a spot.

Speaker 3 And once he got to the NFL, he pretty much did it all, won a couple of Super Bowls. He had the physical.

Speaker 1 He had the intangibles as well.

Speaker 3 So I see a lot of similarities with Barron and Malcolm Jenkins.

Speaker 1 Herbie, you know this. D-Buck played all over the place in the box, outside, in the back.

Speaker 1 That's a mentality thing, too. You got to commit to studying.
You got to commit to a lot of studying because you got to know a lot of different jobs.

Speaker 1 And you got to commit to a physicality, you know, that not everybody is able to do at that time. Communicate too.

Speaker 3 That's why what Cooper DeGene was able to do in

Speaker 3 those wise,

Speaker 3 he was in the slot corner. You got to be able to communicate with the backers, with the safeties, with the corners, and play fast, man.
It's tough in there.

Speaker 1 Were they able to understand his language he was speaking out there? Yeah. This guy seems to be speaking a different language.

Speaker 1 What's this guy?

Speaker 1 Hey!

Speaker 1 Speak!

Speaker 3 He got it. He got, you know, he was locked in.
He was dialed in.

Speaker 1 Exciting whites are quite a duo over there.

Speaker 1 They might be the only ones left in the secondary after

Speaker 2 Riley Moss. Riley Moss.

Speaker 1 Other side of Pat.

Speaker 2 It's pretty much, you just look at Iowa. They got

Speaker 1 all you can hate

Speaker 2 in the secondary. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Hold on. They got that white track guy, too, he ran a 4-2 or something like that, or 4-1.
What was that? Yeah, the half-time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't remember what. I don't know what he did.
I don't think he won a Big Ten championship.

Speaker 1 So, Trek Farron saw him and said, Get that guy off our field. He's too explosive.
You can't get that guy in Ender Round. Guys run a 4-1 on the fucking field.
No, we try to do that.

Speaker 1 You guys can't get a first down.

Speaker 2 No, yeah, well, we put Cooper DeGene on offense and he broke his fucking foot and missed the Big Ten championship. So we said, Enough of this shit.

Speaker 2 All right, let's just run the ball up the middle three times and then punt.

Speaker 6 And if he said, if he's out there, you had a real shot against Michigan that year.

Speaker 2 I think so.

Speaker 1 I think so, sir.

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 1 This guy's now the father of a Michigan band. Never forget it.
Yeah, he's showing some respect. Last question here before our heart out from AP Tone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Herbie, six quarterbacks were drafted in the first round last year. I believe we know for sure two are going to be this year.
The question is: is there going to be a third?

Speaker 5 Do you have a third guy that you like the most? I mean, Jackson Dart threw well at the combine. Quinn threw well at the combine.
Brady Cook threw well. Tyler Shuck threw well at the combine.

Speaker 5 Will was, you know, Will did better. He got better.

Speaker 5 Is there a guy you like third?

Speaker 1 What are you talking about well he started he didn't know those guys well yeah neither do the other guys but Kirby well they're used to throwing the four nines okay geez Luis I I

Speaker 6 would probably give Jackson Dart the the nod um you know he started his career at USC before he transferred over to Ole Miss

Speaker 6 I think he's got a presence he's got an offense that I think that's the thing I really want to see with him is is the ability to be able to show what he can do when it comes to what we talked about earlier with J.J.

Speaker 6 McCarthy. Not just throwing the ball around,

Speaker 6 but being able to go to that next level with how sophisticated these NFL offenses are, being able to read coverage, being able to get the ball out, whether you're under center, whether you're in gun.

Speaker 6 And I think, you know, he obviously helped himself with what he did in this past week.

Speaker 6 But I think his game film, like to be able to go up into the first round, they're going to really study every aspect of his game when it comes to can he be that franchise guy. And I think,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 6 one thing about Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 I didn't know he could scoot like that. I didn't know Joe

Speaker 1 scoots. Dude, he's an athlete.

Speaker 6 He really, I mean, he can go. He's constantly.

Speaker 1 He'll surprise you.

Speaker 6 You know, Tyler Schuck's the other one that a lot of people are fired up about.

Speaker 6 And he's another guy who's sneaky athletic ability because of his size, you wouldn't pick that. But

Speaker 6 he started at Oregon, had tremendous ability to create that Joe Moorhead offense.

Speaker 6 So yeah, he's another guy that I think will get up there.

Speaker 1 He's evaluated.

Speaker 6 And Jeff Braum, we know what he can do with quarterbacks. So it only benefited him from being at Louisville and throwing it around over there.

Speaker 1 Okay, before we get out of here, about 30 seconds, how awesome was that stadium series game for your Columbus Blue Jackets versus Detroit Red Wings in front of 94,730 people and one dog?

Speaker 6 Well, first of all, a meaningful game. They played on Thursday night, two points on the line.
Jackets got that one up in Detroit, came back home, 94,000, over 94,000.

Speaker 6 I've been there hundreds of times.

Speaker 6 It was just surreal to see a ice rink in the middle of that stadium and to see the way the Blue Jackets fans, to me, a great fan base, come out and support this team.

Speaker 6 This team hadn't been good for six or seven years, and they finally got a young nucleus through the draft. It's kind of starting to gel together at the right time.

Speaker 6 They're kind of a dangerous team, and it's cool to see that many people come out and support them and then go out and get two more points, which are critical right now, chasing these wild card spots.

Speaker 1 Congrats to your blue jackets being relevant again. You know, and I didn't know if they're going to be able to fill up that stadium because how bad they had been.

Speaker 1 That place filled up, it looked wonderful. It was cold.
The ice was great. The game was magic.

Speaker 1 Congrats to hockey, you know, from Canada.

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Good job, man. Good job.

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Speaker 2 You're the worst person on earth, but you get to have a dream job of talking about sports the talks and tables here at boston conner and at ty schmidt con man franchise tag deadline today four o'clock this is going to clear the waters a little bit for free agency season where it is going to be a buzzaw yeah massive day uh and obviously free agency officially starts uh in eight days next wednesday but really it starts in six days on monday some of the names on there are very interesting we were just talking about that this kind of this list will basically set the draft you know we've been talking about the combine and everything, but the guys on this list will really kind of tell you what teams, especially at the top, are going to be aiming for.

Speaker 2 I know for New England, you know, a couple wide receivers up there will depend on who they want to get.

Speaker 2 We were also just mentioning some of these quarterbacks, and although I don't see him up there, I believe he might be more of a trade candidate.

Speaker 2 A guy like Dan Jones coming to Indianapolis, that would be something that I got my eye on when it comes to next week.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just because it feels as though Dan Jones would thrive in a steiching-led offense.

Speaker 2 It feels like that would be a huge competition between DJ and AR, and that is what I'm kind of looking forward to.

Speaker 1 The really question came from nine-year NFL vet, former Indianapolis co-everything DB host Darius J. Butler.
What's the really, what's the surprise all about?

Speaker 3 I mean, that's just, I mean, not even on the list, and he's just right there in your mind that he would be the guy that comes up.

Speaker 1 He's got strong legs. He can run good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have a question for you.

Speaker 2 How many playoff games did Sam Darnold win last year? Because guess what? It's not as many as Dan Jones has in his bag.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 so I'm just saying when we're looking at guys you want to win with Dan Jones has that capability he's tall he can run he's smart

Speaker 2 he's very smart he's very tough but even some of those names up there I mean look at the Chiefs the Chiefs have two of their wide receivers from this past year up there and then you know a Charvarius Ward Debuck can probably speak more to it one of the best corners in the league yeah him being a free agent is massive I feel like a Hassan Reddick's interesting because will he play you know that's kind of a fun little game he can play during you can trade for him.

Speaker 1 He can sign him. You better get him on that dogged line.

Speaker 5 How about a guy who came, what, third for defense player of the year?

Speaker 1 Zach Bond? Yeah. Eagles gonna let him get to the free agency? That's one half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, AP Tone, Zach Bond, there you slay. Who else from the Philadelphia Eagles secondary? Brad Barry? Brad Barry, yep.
I believe it was released. I mean, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of moving parts. There's a lot of money getting shifted.
Who will be the odd person out, odd man out of rosters?

Speaker 1 And who will sign these guys and change everything they have and maybe go on and reach the climax of Lombardy Mountain.

Speaker 1 Who's going to make a signing that's going to change a culture, change a franchise, change a city this offseason? It could be your team.

Speaker 1 And your team could also bring in a cancer that ruins your team. That's right.
Your team could waste too much money on a player and end up going to absolute trash.

Speaker 1 But on the flip side, you get a great deal and a prove-it deal. And somebody comes in and really takes ownership of your team, puts the team on their back and changes everything in the locker room.

Speaker 1 Maybe Dan Jones to the Colts is the right guy. Maybe Dan Jones comes in and goes, boys, out there at the Giants, it was terrible.
I was at the Vikings, it was good.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you how things got to go. This is how you got to operate.
You got to be on time. You got to show up to things.
Okay. That's part of being a professional football player.

Speaker 1 Because how you do anything is how you do everything.

Speaker 1 And how you guys have been doing a lot of things is not how any of us want to do anything. Who's this giving it? This is Dan giving a speech.
It's Danny Dones, baby.

Speaker 3 I can see him in black and gold.

Speaker 1 I can see him in black and gold.

Speaker 1 There we go. Press one button, car automatic start.
Staying too close. Carla might bark.
Daniel Jones going to Pittsburgh. pittsburgh

Speaker 1 i can't say we literally can't say no to anybody right now yeah but you guys have no quarterbacks joining us now is a man who might play quarterback this year he's a college football national champion super bowl champion rider cup winner we have no idea if he'd pass any of the drug tests uh ladies and gentlemen aj

Speaker 1 hawker how do you feel pal I feel pretty good.

Speaker 11 I don't think I'm going to be playing quarterback anytime soon, but I am interested about that Daniel Jones to the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 11 I think that's a real possibility, man.

Speaker 1 Everybody's excited about it. Things are happening.
Are they? City's abuzz.

Speaker 1 Everybody's real excited. I think the Indianapolis City is just, let's get to next year and let's see how this is going to go.
Oh, 26.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Nobody is saying they're on the 26th. Nobody.
Nobody is saying they're on the 26. Everybody's saying this is going to be good.

Speaker 1 Same team, same players, same coaches, same front office, same building, same stadium.

Speaker 1 Gonna go differently this year. That's how it's gonna go.
Open competition at the quarterback position has sent a message to the entire roster that nobody's safe.

Speaker 1 That's right. Nobody's safe.
Yeah, you got to show up. Yeah, maybe try.
Yeah, maybe give a little effort.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe portray as if you care at all that the team that you're on is trying to win a game. I think that's going to ooze through the locker room because they announced it.

Speaker 1 Was it

Speaker 5 year three after a, you know, two years of injury-filled quarterback play that Joe Burrow put the team on his back and took on the Super Bowl ARC?

Speaker 1 Boom. Yeah, that's right.
How's year two?

Speaker 1 Whatever the the case sometimes there's a lot of trends next year

Speaker 1 remember payton through all those interceptions

Speaker 1 pretty good they are just in town the legends were just in town what a couple weeks ago a couple weeks ago q a last monday reset they reset the uh the ore

Speaker 1 absolutely this is how professional football works you're a professional this is your job okay you can lose this job hopefully sooner than later everybody in the city is thinking that you know because you're the keepers of the jersey currently

Speaker 11 maybe wear some other ones is Is that really a widespread thing from what you gained at the Combine that like the basics, like showing up on time, being accountable to your teammates?

Speaker 11 Like that's a real problem throughout the league?

Speaker 1 Not at the good places. Not at the good places.
But at the shite organizations, that is a real thing.

Speaker 1 And it's because I think, I don't know, I'm not in the position and I don't know a lot of these guys. And obviously, I would be the same exact way if I was these dudes.
You get a bunch of money.

Speaker 1 I'm smarter than you. I've done it right.
Okay, I'm a millionaire already. You get to the NFL.
Hey, you need to do this, this, and this. No, I don't.
Okay, this is how I do it.

Speaker 1 And also, I don't like the way you're talking to me right now. Okay, you keep doing that.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to come in here. You know, so I think

Speaker 1 there's a feel from some coaches in some front offices that you can't actually coach these people, mold these people into being accountable

Speaker 1 driven adults in this entire thing because of everything they've potentially gotten away with.

Speaker 1 And then all you need is just, what, a couple bad eggs in there, especially OGs in there, and then it just goes like this, and all of a sudden you lost it. It's completely gone.

Speaker 1 So I don't think it's just the colts certainly we've heard a lot about the colts but uh there's other places as well and those are teams that suck and uh it's pretty apparent like if you want to win this probably a piece of it that you're going to need nonetheless uh franchise tag today 4 p.m aj hawk t higgins franchise tag for the second straight time osa down there in dallas was franchise tagged he comes to terms so they could give that to somebody else though

Speaker 1 yeah that's a good question

Speaker 1 oh if they do

Speaker 1 yeah yeah

Speaker 2 because technically did they tag him and then extend it?

Speaker 11 Did he sign the tag?

Speaker 2 Did he sign the tag? Yeah, did he? Yeah,

Speaker 1 can they now say, okay,

Speaker 1 tag, you were it, but game's not over now. Tag

Speaker 1 you're it over here. I do wonder that.
We'll ask Schefter in about five minutes or so. But there's a lot of eyes on what teams are going to do.
And

Speaker 1 there's so many question marks around this NFL right now. It's all.
So many question marks.

Speaker 5 Monday is going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 Monday? Free Free agency starts?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The amount of deals that are already done

Speaker 1 that are going to be announced as soon as that clock strikes time is going to be wonderful. So punked.
And with those announcements are going to come the other side. Releases, releases, releases.

Speaker 1 This is happening. This is happening.
Oh, this team got this person. Shit.
We thought we had that person. Now desperation sinks in.
We're going this person.

Speaker 1 And then there's a second wave where everything kind of calms down a little bit. And then the second wave hits and it's like, ooh, good signing there.

Speaker 1 Ooh, that's good signing. Or are they going to wait till the draft draft to see who they get in the draft?

Speaker 1 It's like, there's a lot of magic about to take place, especially whenever 4 o'clock hits today.

Speaker 1 We're really going to prep for people to be able to gear up for the money giving away a free agency on Monday. It's an exciting time in the NFL.
Exciting time in the NBA as well, AJ, you know that?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I've been watching more NBA basketball than I have in the past, no doubt.

Speaker 1 Us as well. And I know we're in the minority.
I don't think a lot of people are watching basketball. They had a big number, though, on Friday night.
Who's been watching?

Speaker 5 Was he being facetious?

Speaker 1 Yeah, who have you been watching?

Speaker 11 No, I'm dead serious. I mean, I was was on a plane flying home.
I watched some games that were on. We had live TV in the little screen in the back.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Other than that, I've watched a lot. I mean, I'm a big, I love the Warriors.
I've always loved Stephen, what they're doing. Obviously, Jimmy's over there.
So, yeah, I watch more.

Speaker 11 Now, the football season is over. Obviously, it's kind of just naturally happens.

Speaker 1 Most watched NBA doubleheader on ESPN. The season came on Friday night, I do believe.
1.8 million viewers for the Cavs Celtics. Which, who won that game?

Speaker 2 I believe the Cavs won this one.

Speaker 1 Okay, and then Clippers-Lakers, the Battle of LA nightcap. Who won that game? Luca did.
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, senior NBA insider for ESPN, friend of the program, Shamsharan, yeah.

Speaker 1 Shams, okay, quickly here,

Speaker 1 because NBA talk is something we do, we enjoy, but we're not the experts. That's why we bring you in here.

Speaker 1 Nico, this general manager for the Mavericks, it is being alleged by a lot of humans that have opinions and are on the internet that they're trying to tank this team so they they can get them the hell out of Dallas.

Speaker 1 Well, it seems like all systems are working in that front. You get rid of your star.
He turns out to be an absolute beast still.

Speaker 1 Looky lookie, the guy that took your team to the finals last year can still play basketball well for the Lakers. They go to the number two in the West.

Speaker 1 Kyrie now devastating ACL, which we will all obviously miss last night. Anthony Davis gets hurt in his first game.

Speaker 1 There's been picketing, protesting, and now mass exodus from these games from Mavericks fans that are diehard fans. What is going on in Dallas?

Speaker 1 And how do you think everybody around the NBA is viewing the current Mavericks situation, Sean?

Speaker 8 Boys, I think what's going on in Dallas is what was going on in the immediate aftermath of that trade that happened on February 1st is like, what the, like, how did this happen?

Speaker 8 And I think Mavs fans in particular, they're still dealing with it. And, you know, that conspiracy theory that you're talking about, that they're tanking so much, that

Speaker 8 they're at war with their fans, that they are doing everything possible to alienate their fans is because they want to move the team. I've seen that conspiracy online.

Speaker 8 To my knowledge, Pat, there is zero truth to that.

Speaker 8 That's just not a reality.

Speaker 8 But the fact that that's even a conspiracy out there just lets you know

Speaker 8 how deeply extreme that trade was in the eyes of a lot of people on the league.

Speaker 8 Literally everyone in Dallas. I mean, you think about the Mavs and their fan base.
Luca Dantich, a generational player, 25 years old, just turned 26.

Speaker 8 He's someone, the 77 jersey is going to be all over Dallas forever. He was someone Mark Cuban said once, I would rather get a divorce than to trade Luka Dontich.

Speaker 8 I wanted to retire Luca Dantich's jersey. And I know in talking to people on Luka Dantic over the last 72 hours, I was at that Lakers Clippers game on Sunday.

Speaker 8 He had no intention ever of leaving Dallas. He had just bought a new home in Dallas

Speaker 8 for a lofty, lofty price.

Speaker 8 He did not want to go anywhere. You think of a player coming from abroad, they're very committed, they're loyal, and that's how he viewed himself with the Mavericks.

Speaker 8 It's like one team, one city forever. And I think that's going to carry over to the Lakers.
I think he's loving his time in LA.

Speaker 8 I think he's loving how the Lakers, you think about what the Lakers' brand is, it's like treating stars like stars. It's Hollywood.

Speaker 8 It's making the star players bigger than life. And that's what we're going to see with Luka Doncic.
But for the Mavericks, I mean, this is just tough because Kyrie Irving was having an all-star.

Speaker 8 He was not made his ninth NBA all-star team. He was going for everything.
We've been talking on this show. I remember when I used to come on here in 2020, 2021, and he was getting absolutely crushed.

Speaker 8 You think about his decision not to take the COVID vaccine shot. You think about how his image started to go in Brooklyn.

Speaker 8 He was reclaiming his spot the last couple of years as an upper echelon top player, the spot that he deserves.

Speaker 8 And he was on track to get a max contract this offseason, potentially. He has a player option for $44 million next season.

Speaker 8 You look at from a stats perspective, Pat, 25 points a game, five rebounds, five assists.

Speaker 8 He's the only player in the NBA this season averaging at least 20 points, at least 50% three-point shooting, and at least 90% from three.

Speaker 8 And for me,

Speaker 8 this was a devastating injury for him. Sorry, that's at least 20 points, 40% three points, 90% from the foul line.
Only player in the NBA averaging that.

Speaker 8 Fifth of his career.

Speaker 6 Second most of the year.

Speaker 1 He's having a great year. Yeah, we got it.
Yeah, he's having a great year. 50 of 62 games.
Got it, got it, got it, got it.

Speaker 8 But, Pat, what I will say is his leadership went beyond everything because you think about the deteriorated relationship between Luca Dontich and that organization.

Speaker 8 In a lot of ways, Kyrie Irving was that in-between. And the front office leaned on Kyrie Irving, even with their communication with Luca Dantage.
And so that relationship had strained.

Speaker 8 They trade Luca.

Speaker 8 And now, yeah, I mean, Anthony Davis has been out since his opener, since the first game he played. I think him, his representatives, I think they're going to huddle up.

Speaker 8 I think they're going to have some very hard conversations. It's not out of the realm of possibility.

Speaker 8 That's the last time we, you know, that one game was the last time we've seen Anthony Davis this season.

Speaker 1 Okay, so because Kyrie's injured, now there's nothing to, you know, he doesn't even, oh my God, this Nico guys is going to survive. He just has a lifetime job.

Speaker 8 He's got multiple years left on his contract.

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 8 in the aftermath of that trade, I remember I came on here and I said, we'll judge this trade in the next few months, in the next few years. This trade is dependent on the Mavericks going far.

Speaker 8 And they've already been to the finals with Luca Natchez. So what else can you do besides get to the finals? It's winning a championship.

Speaker 8 That's what Nico Harrison and the Mavericks have set the standard of being judged on. And Nico Harrison, in his post-trade press conference, said, we'll see if I'm right or not.

Speaker 9 We'll see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we will. It's kind of all unfolding right now, you know, but he said he's playing the long in the long term.
This is best for the Mats, which feeds a conspiracy. What is the long term?

Speaker 1 You know, but you're saying there's no truth to it at all. But

Speaker 1 anytime, and he has a beer, this guy, this son of a bitch, he drinks a beer whenever he does something good. And then every once in a while, I see him.

Speaker 1 He's burning hookah.

Speaker 8 If we traded all players that drink a lot of beer and

Speaker 1 Connor has the last question for you here, Sean.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Shami, obviously, the Lakers are the number two seed in the West. How about the one seed? SGA, is he going to be the runaway MVP here?

Speaker 2 They showed a graphic earlier today about him having, you know, another 50-point game. Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 How do we feel about the Thunder? And are they kind of the favorites coming out of the West, even with everything Luca and the Lakers are doing?

Speaker 8 In my conversations with players, with teams, people around the league, I think he is, Shea Dillis Alexander is viewed as a favorite or a front runner right now.

Speaker 8 I think you have to still look at Nicola Jokic. Yanis Adi Decumpo, I don't think gets enough shine as well.
What he's doing in Milwaukee, just leading that team, the numbers he's putting up.

Speaker 8 But Jokic's numbers speak for themselves. He's having a, I mean, honestly, he might be having a better season statistically than he's had the last few years that he has won MVP.

Speaker 8 That just goes to show what Shay Gills Alexander's impact has been.

Speaker 8 The 50-point games, leading this young Oklahoma City team to the number one seed again, runaway number one seed and vying to be the best overall record in the NBA period with the Cavaliers.

Speaker 8 And he was runner-up last year. So you think about doing it for back-to-back seasons.

Speaker 8 This might be the year he gets his flowers.

Speaker 1 Okay, I hope so. You know, because Greene said this morning, SGA no more.
He's MVP.

Speaker 1 And he said last night was the Shea Show. I mean, Greeny was talking in headlines about Oklahoma City's SGA.
What a

Speaker 1 Shea Gilly's great name, too. I mean, I hope he does it.
I hope the NBA continues to heat up. Zion Naruto Naruto tattoo, he's playing great ball.
We're rolling.

Speaker 8 We need Zion Williams to stay on the floor. We need him to continue.

Speaker 8 He just had his first triple double last week.

Speaker 8 Last week.

Speaker 1 Zion fucking around and got a triple double, dude. You let him play basketball.
It's crazy what will happen. When the man is healthy, the man is healthy and he's able to play.

Speaker 8 He puts up numbers.

Speaker 7 We know his impact on winning.

Speaker 8 And that's why, Pat, it's so hard for the Pelicans.

Speaker 7 You think about it.

Speaker 8 Every year, it's like the rumors of trading Zion Williamson. Let him go.

Speaker 1 I'll let him trade him. Trade him.
Trade him. They never let the guy play.
And he says, once again, I'm an employee of the Pelicans. When they let me play, I'm on the court.

Speaker 1 When they don't, I'm on the sideline. I'm always happy.
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Speaker 1 You guys watch the new rotor.

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Speaker 7 Pat, would you get a stomach tat like that?

Speaker 1 Would you do that? Seams, I don't know if you've seen my body. I got no tats.

Speaker 1 Even though I love tats and have the thought of getting tats, I've sat down in the chair and they were like, need you for two and a half, three hours here to not move and it's going to hurt.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, all right, I'll get you next time.

Speaker 8 Imagine how a stomach tat would be.

Speaker 1 That would hurt.

Speaker 1 He didn't feel it. My wife's got a beautiful sleeve.

Speaker 1 He's fit now. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm done with it. We appreciate you, man.
You're the best.

Speaker 7 Appreciate y'all. Thank you.

Speaker 1 He's Jim Michelle, Sharon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He did. Yeah.
He did. Clearly, he's on Jay Uso's side.
He's a Jay guy. He does feel like it.
The NBA's happening age. You know, you say you accidentally fell into it while on a plane or whatever.

Speaker 1 They're putting up bigger numbers. The NHL is seemingly doing well.
Sports having a time right now. Yeah.
Sports having a time right now.

Speaker 1 I would like it if those Lakers did go in a long run just because of what happened with Dallas.

Speaker 1 I have no interest in the West. Like, love the Nugs because Mr.
Malone. came on the program a couple times and I enjoyed him in his shit talk.
Phoenix Suns, I enjoy Ishbia and what he does.

Speaker 1 They brought Kevin Durant, and I love Kevin Durant. That team sucks.
I have no idea how that even happens. I don't even know how he's.
Kevin?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're terrible. They're already talking about him going into the offseason and them working together to get a trade to get KD out of there.

Speaker 2 But the best thing for the NBA for a shoot, and this is me as a Celtics fan, would be Celtics Lakers finals because that's the biggest rivalry in the NBA.

Speaker 2 It's considered one of those pillar rivalries. So if they were to make that happen, not that it's rigged, but if that were to happen, that would be huge for the league.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I mean, obviously, good to have the big markets in it in sport. But, you know,

Speaker 1 I love that the Pacers have a chance.

Speaker 1 I love that the Cavs have a chance. Like, the sport needs that.
Okay, see. Okay, see.
Okay, see, is it? Like, I think the sport needs that.

Speaker 1 Now, Golden State being out with how exciting Steph is to watch play basketball.

Speaker 1 And now, granted, as the season goes, I guess there's a chance they can still get in it and maybe even win the whole damn thing. But it's like, NBA has a chance here.

Speaker 1 You know, first half of the season, it was this is the worst league of all time. Nobody's going to watch.
They got big problems.

Speaker 1 And if you start thinking about the league, it's like, yeah, I think they do.

Speaker 1 Nobody knows any of these guys. Nope.
Nobody knows any of them.

Speaker 1 Outside of their diehard fan base, nobody has a clue about any of these guys, except for the fact that we're being told by other NBA people, ex-NBA people, and NBA experts that these guys are soft.

Speaker 1 So all we're hearing is that these guys are soft. These guys are taking nights off.
These guys are getting paid more money than ever. They're opting out of games.

Speaker 1 It's like, then you talk to Tyrese and Tyrese is like,

Speaker 1 yeah everybody kills us doesn't mean we just want to go talk to everybody i mean that's not how this goes and not a majority of the nba are opting out of back-to-back night like a lot of us are a lot of us are like what's being painted as a league in a problem it's like the reality is not as much i'm like well you guys need to start telling people this like hey you need to start maybe

Speaker 1 Maybe let's get to know some of these guys. You know, maybe let's learn some of these stories.

Speaker 1 And it's like, if they're able to do that and the games are going to be good and you get the big names playing, it's like the NBA has a chance to save a year that a lot of people thought was a massive failure going into it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, the basketball gods are real, you know, like the Lakers are going to make it to, I mean, it's terrible what happened to Kyrie, but this does kind of feel like the universe just saying, like, hey, you guys screwed over Luca and pissed off all your fans in the process.

Speaker 2 Now the Lakers are doing what they're doing. Like, they're going to make it to the finals.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they're going to win, but they're going to have a deep run into the playoffs for sure because the basketball gods are real.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is not in the NBA, is actually in the NFL. And boy, he's inside of it, isn't he?

Speaker 2 Yes, he is.

Speaker 1 He's senior of being inside of it. Deep.

Speaker 1 Deep.

Speaker 1 So deep that there isn't even like a beef to get to his spot whenever he's grabbing a coffee. No.

Speaker 1 You know, everybody's like, hey, trying to scratch and claw and fight to get there, literally through any Starbucks lobby that they possibly can.

Speaker 1 And this guy's just sitting up there going, boys, there's enough news to go around. And they're done there.
Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 9 I walked through store books with my head on a swivel. I understand how this works out.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you are a little bit worried about the chance that maybe somebody will come out and get you. Hey, I like a Venti Americana, okay, Bluen, Espresso.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Anyone behind me? Especially with the size of you insiders. This is just a fact of the matter.
One of them is much taller than the others. And it seems like he's the one that's kind of on the prop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so maybe don't do this here, Schefter.

Speaker 1 You need to do this number first. I think that is the.
With the elbow. with with the ball right in the balls yep right to the

Speaker 1 you know what i mean right right to the

Speaker 1 i got you i got you careful of the arrow too because he's metal yeah it's on peloser might get in the game as well um chefty great to see you hope you had a great combine how do you hope you had a great combine nice to be with you nice to be with you it was great to see you in person we'd love to chat with you you're moxie and i'd say you're spunk

Speaker 1 whenever we're with you in person is off the charts so it was great seeing you great catching up with you now you do and utilize the combine like everybody else does to gather information.

Speaker 1 Franchise tag deadline. About two and a half hours from now.
What

Speaker 1 should we be looking at? And what is potentially the next domino to fall in the CNFL offseason from what you know from your conversations?

Speaker 9 Well, again, we've seen the tags go to T. Higgins and Trey Smith in Kansas City.
I don't know that we're going to get another tag, which would mean this would be an incredibly uneventful tag period.

Speaker 9 Osa Adigazua, I hope I pronounced that correctly, got his deal done. There you go, Pat.
You could practice with me right now for tomorrow, right? Osa Odigazua.

Speaker 1 Breaking news. Osa Odigazua will be on the show.
There you go. Tomorrow at 1215 East Coast.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Schefter, for being the connector. Go ahead now with him being an $80 million deal.
Congrats to him.

Speaker 9 So, again, Oso got his deal done today. T is tagged in Cincinnati.
Trey Smith is tagged in Kansas City.

Speaker 9 Look, I mean, we always could be blindsided by a tag that comes in at the last moment, but I don't see another tag getting done, which means that we would have two tags in this period, which would be the lowest number.

Speaker 9 Hold on, yeah, let me let me get the exact math here because I've been waiting for this till later on.

Speaker 9 This would be the lowest number of tags

Speaker 9 since 1994

Speaker 9 when Eric Green and Henry Thomas were tagged. The next numbers were three in 2006 with John Abraham, Nate Clements, and Jeff Backus.
Who could forget that?

Speaker 1 86 and 94 and then 2025, the lightest franchise tagged years. That is bananas to think about.
Why is that, Shefty?

Speaker 11 Why do you think it is that way, Shefty?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 9 I think, AJ, that number one, teams are doing a better job at identifying their players in advance and signing them.

Speaker 9 Like, again, Osa Odigazua could have been tagged today, but he and Dallas were working on a deal deal, and they're able to get the deal done so that they don't even have to tag him.

Speaker 9 You could look around the league, and I think that we've seen any number of these deals get done in recent years. Every time you see one of these big extensions,

Speaker 9 that takes one fewer guy off the market. And so I just think teams have seen their guys.

Speaker 9 They know who's good and who's not, and they're not letting the really good guys get to market to where they even have to tag them.

Speaker 1 Obviously, there's been teams that have let great players out the door and they've gone on to have great success. But with the salary cap going up too, I think guys are more likely to get deals done.

Speaker 1 Feels like this is a good thing going forward. Less players franchise tag is good in a player's mindset.

Speaker 1 Now, Dallas Cowboys, since they were going to tag Osa, since the deadline hasn't happened yet, they get a deal done. They could take that tag now and throw it to somebody else if they wanted to.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but I don't think there's anybody else they're going to tag.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just saying they could, though, if they wanted to, because the deal was done before the deadline.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you'd have to find somebody else that was going to be tagged. And again, when this period opened, I think the guys that were really under scrutiny for tags were

Speaker 9 Trey Smith, were

Speaker 9 Sam Darnold, were T. Higgins.
And it sounds like

Speaker 9 Sam Darnold is not going to be tagged in Minnesota.

Speaker 9 And that, when we talk about some of the things that are going to happen, that becomes an interesting situation to see how that unfolds here moving forward.

Speaker 1 Okay, so on that note, D-Bud has a question for you, Chef D.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're saying Sam Darnold not getting tagged coming off

Speaker 3 career year in Minnesota. Brock Purdy, another good year under his belt.
I know the 49ers have his rights for a few more years.

Speaker 3 But when these quarterbacks essentially get their next deal done, Brock Purdy and Sam Darnold, do you have any idea what the ballpark of those contracts will be?

Speaker 3 We had the $50 million club with quarterbacks. Do you think one or both of those guys join that club?

Speaker 9 Well, I think Brock Purdy certainly could, but that's a question if they get that deal done. Again, you touched on it there, D.
Dee, but

Speaker 9 the Niners, if they don't sign Brock Purdy this offseason, and here's a team that really is up against it financially, if they don't sign him, and Brock Purdy obviously is going to want to get a deal done, and the Niners would want to get a deal done.

Speaker 9 But the issue is he's scheduled to make $5.1 million this season. He then could be tagged after next season for $41 million.
He could be tagged this season after that for $51 million.

Speaker 9 So if you don't get a deal done with Brock Purdy and you're the Niners, and again, this would not be what Brock Purdy would want, I would imagine. Certainly not what his agent would want.

Speaker 9 He would play for $5 million this year, $41 next year, $51 the year after.

Speaker 9 You're talking about $97 plus million dollars over the next three years, which for most people would be incredible money, but not for a quarterback who's waiting to get paid.

Speaker 9 And so the Niners have a bit of a cap issue, cash issue. And so they can't butchrock Bertie necessarily where he might be.

Speaker 9 They can go to a certain level, they'd want to pay him, but it's not going to be, I would imagine, quite as high as most people think.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, we understand. You're worthy of $60, $55 million or everything.
We're just telling you with what we got going on. Can't happen, bud.
We're at $45.

Speaker 1 And by the way, by the way, we're at $45. By the way, look, let's just use it.
Good money. $45 million is good money.
Great money. $45.

Speaker 9 No, no, no. By the way, let's just use 50.
We'll use 50 as a nice, round, even number. Okay.
$50 million.

Speaker 9 $50 million. Brock, we want to pay you $50 million a year for the next three years.
You can make $150 million.

Speaker 9 If you don't want, no problem.

Speaker 9 You can play it out and you go 5-1, 41, 51, 97 over three years. And then you'll have a chance to hit free agency in four years.
You'll be a true free agent.

Speaker 9 And at that point, who knows what quarterbacks are being paid?

Speaker 1 Maybe it's hundred million dollars a year like maybe yeah but if you could get 97 million over three years or 150 over three years i would take the 150 over three years immediately and also the sell to brock is 50 million is a lot of money

Speaker 1 now you're gonna have the nfl pa and you're gonna have a lot of pressure on him not going for the biggest buck but if they're gonna build the team up around him maybe they're able to go which leads to another rumor coming out of san francisco which seemingly never ends go ahead connor yeah chef we know you're tied in with san francisco and obviously Debo got your.

Speaker 9 Why do you always say this? You always say this.

Speaker 1 We just know.

Speaker 1 Look, we can read it everywhere.

Speaker 2 We just read your tweets. We break them down, okay? And we know.

Speaker 14 Hold on.

Speaker 9 I want to say to you, Connor, my job is to be tied into every team. Exactly.
That's my job. Okay.

Speaker 9 So when you ask me a Steelers question or you ask me a Ravens question, you ask me an Eagles question or please stay. We know you're tied in there too.
Please say that.

Speaker 1 Okay, Smack. We're not putting down anywhere else.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 We do know you are D.

Speaker 1 The San Francisco 49ers. Exactly.
You're basically saying, like, you're an Eagle knot when we come to tied in, brother. Bingo.

Speaker 1 You're an Eagle Scout, I mean, with the knots that you got going in there with how tied in you are.

Speaker 2 Every parent has their favorite kid in Shefty's favorite teams, the Niners.

Speaker 1 We know that.

Speaker 2 We can say that, and there's nothing wrong with that. That's just the reality of the situation.
Okay. And last week, Deep.

Speaker 9 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm getting simultaneous texts from the Seahawks, Rams, and Cardinals right now.
Okay. They're pissed off that I'm showing favorite nation status to the 49ers.

Speaker 1 They're ruining relationships in the NFC West, brother.

Speaker 2 You're not doing that. We know you would never say that they're your favorite.
We are just saying that based on your, you know, Twitter, some of the things that you say at times.

Speaker 2 But last week, Debo, he gets traded, obviously. Immediately after that, there's people on the internet calling him a fatso, and that that was going on.

Speaker 2 He tweeted, like, whoa, I'm not a fatso, and get ready for this new bod that's coming for the Washington Commies next year. That'll be awesome.

Speaker 2 Now, the rumors are circulating that Brandon Ayuk might be getting moved. And obviously, John Lynch mentioned, you know, we got to get younger.

Speaker 2 And with these looming contracts, it makes sense they need to kind of get cheaper as well. Is Ayuk kind of available? Our team's calling for Brandon Ayuk.

Speaker 2 And is his injury from last year and the, you know, lots of money contract that he has currently, is that going to hurt his trade status going into next year?

Speaker 9 Well, again, I think that the 49ers in their particular financial situation are open to listening on just about anybody, just about anybody, right?

Speaker 9 And so if there's a team out there that is willing to take on the Brandon IU contract with him coming off the torn ACL, I'm sure they would listen absolutely.

Speaker 9 But again, you've got to find a team that's willing to take on the player with the injury, with the contract. That's not a simple thing to do.
Look, if there's no knee injury, it's a simple deal.

Speaker 9 But because there's a knee injury, because he may miss the first half of next season, and there are questions about when he'll get back next year, there are a whole host of pending issues.

Speaker 9 But the Niners,

Speaker 9 again, for them to play in the free agency sandbox, they're going to have to find ways to clear out salary, whether that's through Brandon Ayuk or Jordan Mason

Speaker 9 or any other player that they don't. bring back or let go.
They have to find ways to get money to help field the kind of roster that they want.

Speaker 9 So if an offer comes in on Brandon Ayuk and there's a team out there that's willing to take on that particular situation, I'm sure they would be open to listening to it.

Speaker 1 Okay, so with this comes the Brock Party deal. Having to pay your quarterback, you can't pay everybody else.
It's kind of the game. Got a young quarterback, you can pay everybody else.

Speaker 1 You get a quarterback, it gets paid, you got to figure it out. Howie was able to debunk the system.
Same with the Chiefs and Brett Veits, but normally that's how it goes in the quarterback world.

Speaker 1 Unless you get some of these veteran quarterbacks that may be cheaper price. AJ has a question for you, Shefty.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Shefty, who do you say, like when you say the first domino to fall, when you think of all these quarterbacks that may be, you know, changing teams, some of these guys, Sam Darnold, Dan Jones, Aaron Rodgers, Russ Wilson, all these people, who do you think could possibly be the first domino to fall here and sign with a team?

Speaker 11 And what could a deal possibly look like, say, for Sam Darnold?

Speaker 9 Well, in my mind, the place that I'm watching next, there are two places. It would be Minnesota and Sam Darnold because Sam Darnold cannot sign with another team until next week.

Speaker 9 Minnesota will have interest in trying to work out a deal before he becomes a free agent. And so they are open to bringing him back.

Speaker 9 The question is, can the two sides figure out a deal that's worthwhile?

Speaker 9 The other place to watch this week would be the Pittsburgh Steelers because they currently do not have a quarterback under contract.

Speaker 9 It's tough to go into free agency to go add to your offense when you have no idea who's playing quarterback.

Speaker 9 And that's why I think they're going to spend this week working on getting a deal done with either Justin Fields or Russell Wilson. I would imagine Justin Fields is first up in the pecking order.

Speaker 9 We'll see if they can get something worked out there. If not, it's easy to pivot on to Russell Wilson and we'll see how this works out.

Speaker 9 But I would think Pittsburgh is determined to try to get one of these quarterback deals done in the coming days so that it has some clarity going into free agency.

Speaker 9 And that doesn't mean they couldn't add another quarterback at some point in time.

Speaker 9 But I think the idea would be to provide some stability now so that at least they could go into free agency with a little bit more clarity than they currently have.

Speaker 1 Oh, mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long

Speaker 1 arm of the law.

Speaker 1 They're not a quarterback. They got a lot more more to fear than the long arm of the law, brother.
Is that the most important position in all sports? Yep. Is that the one that matters the most?

Speaker 1 Got no quarterbacks on the roster. Hasn't had a losing season in a long time.
Maybe they'll go to a wide receiver and have him play quarterback.

Speaker 1 You broke some news right before you came on the program. Go ahead, Tone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Chef, you're dialed in with the NFL. So I wanted to ask you, you just broke the news that Devontae Adams was released officially.
We knew

Speaker 5 we figured it was coming.

Speaker 5 Is there this? I was looking at the free agent list as far as wide receivers go, and you know, it's Chris Godwin, Amari Cooper, Steph Diggs, D-Hop.

Speaker 5 Does that make him the number one wide receiver on the free agent market? Is there any early favorites on who could potentially go after him?

Speaker 9 Well, it all depends on what you're looking for. Look, I think we've seen right now T.
Higgins be deprived of the true unrestricted free agency that he wants.

Speaker 9 And if there's a team out there that wants T. Higgins, they're going to have to pay T.
Higgins and then compensate the Bengals.

Speaker 9 And that's if the Bengals are willing to trade him, which we do not know for sure if that is or isn't the case. So now you look at the other wide receivers.

Speaker 9 Chris Godwin is coming off his own knee injury, been an unbelievable player, an unbelievable person, the kind of guy you want on your team. Devontae Adams is older, still a highly productive player.

Speaker 9 I think there's just a group of wide receivers. I don't know that I'm placing one above the other.

Speaker 9 I think it just depends on the team, how they value each player, but nobody was going to trade for Devontae Adams contract.

Speaker 9 When we go back to Debo Samuel, last week being traded to Washington, he was due $17.5 million.

Speaker 9 And really, the Niners didn't get a lot of interest.

Speaker 9 They spoke to Houston, they spoke to Denver, but in the end, the only team that was really willing to move at that point in time on Debo was the Commanders because of the salary at 17.5.

Speaker 9 Well, Devontae was due double that.

Speaker 1 39 or something.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 you were never going to find a trade partner for Devontae Adams. It was never realistic.
And that's why the Jets have essentially granted him his release.

Speaker 9 He now hits the open market and becomes one of the top free agent wide receivers out there. Where does he fit?

Speaker 8 I think, look, he's been through it the last couple of years.

Speaker 9 He's played in Vegas, didn't have a quarterback. He played in New York.
They struggled and lost. Without having spoken to Devontae about this, I'm going to guess he wants to play for a winner.

Speaker 9 He's going to want to play where he's utilized, where they depend on him, and where he's got a chance to win games.

Speaker 1 He's going to the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 This guy's going to the Chiefs. Oh, no.
Oh, no. I can see it.

Speaker 9 You said that. I didn't say that.
I just think that

Speaker 1 the Fields.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 6 there are a lot of players.

Speaker 9 How about, I mean, we could go over any number of Packers.

Speaker 1 How about the Packers if you want to go to Packers?

Speaker 2 How about Philly?

Speaker 1 Hold on. Didn't they say something about him and Josh McDaniels?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they have a good rapport in New England, but if we're talking winners, you know, that wouldn't be like okay, I got it.

Speaker 1 You just said that, not me.

Speaker 1 How many games we won last year? No, no, hey, listen, I agree.

Speaker 9 But again, well, hold on. But New England, and I don't know this, but New England might be willing to pay him more than those other teams.
New England's got over 100 million in cash space.

Speaker 1 So now for Devontae,

Speaker 9 do you want to make more in New England if the Patriots are interested, or do you want to take less and go to a more certifiable?

Speaker 9 These are the decisions that every player is going through. These are the decisions that every team is going through.
And so you can't just apply a simple formula to this.

Speaker 9 These are complicated, nuanced, layered decisions.

Speaker 1 Humans, yeah. Humans are making decisions about their lives.

Speaker 1 Happiness, you know, are you choosing to check over the incredible opportunity? And if you choose to check over the opportunity in like a year from now, are you going to regret doing that?

Speaker 1 And maybe say, I'm out of here. Get me out of here.
I can't be doing this. I'm done with the irrelevant football games.
That happened down in Miami, obviously, with Tyree Kill.

Speaker 1 As soon as he signs with Miami for the massive check and leaving the Chiefs, we all say, okay, he's going to take the bag, but then you don't win a couple of years in a row, and it's like, I hate this.

Speaker 1 This is not what life is supposed to be like. So there's a lot of decisions that have to be made.
We would all like to see Devontae back in primetime football. I think we would all agree.

Speaker 1 A lot of people are saying he and Aaron might be a tandem. I don't know if that's true.
I mean, especially if Devontae's able to get some payment. And you talk about New England.

Speaker 1 Opportunity and compensation. That's what they have up there.

Speaker 2 That's what they got. And to your point, there was a report about McDaniels and that, you know, Devontae was very successful in his offense.
And I'm sure Devontae sees what we all see.

Speaker 2 You know, Drake May's got a lot of air controls.

Speaker 1 Maybe

Speaker 1 if this goes how anything has gone over the last like five years, Devontae Adams is going to the Kansas City Chiefs. And that is going to be a wild situation when it takes place.

Speaker 1 But no matter where he goes, we can't wait to see him playing ball again. Speaking of playing ball again, will Miles Garrad ever be back at Cleveland Tie is a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Shefty, what's going on there? Most recently, we've heard that he's basically said, hey, listen, I'm not negotiating at all. Like, I do not want to be at Cleveland Brown.

Speaker 2 Um, did you hear anything at the Combine or otherwise that suggests possible trade partners? We know that the Lions kind of checked him at the deadline last year. He wants to go to a contender.

Speaker 2 Are there any teams that are popping up? And are we any closer to Miles Garrett potentially getting moved?

Speaker 9 This is the text I got last week.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 9 Miles is not open to discussing a contract extension with Cleveland.

Speaker 9 This has nothing to do with money. He wants to go win and he wants to go to a place he feels he has a shot at doing that immediately.

Speaker 9 Now, the Browns feel just as strongly that they're not trading Miles Garrett. So, somebody here is going to have to give, or

Speaker 9 we're going to have to see how this unfolds. I've always felt like this was a question of how

Speaker 7 dug in Miles Garrett is going to be.

Speaker 9 Because if he's dug in and he refuses to report back there and he makes it messy, then eventually,

Speaker 9 eventually he's going to get what he wants. But the process of getting there is going to be very tense and very complicated and very ugly.
So I don't know how far he's willing to push it.

Speaker 9 It's one thing to say he's not willing to talk about an extension with Cleveland. He wants to go to a place that wins.
It's March 4th. You can say that.

Speaker 9 Is he still saying the same thing on August 4th, if and when nothing's happened? And I don't have the answer to that. Nobody does right now.

Speaker 9 So, again, all we've known is that the Browns have been unwilling to budge.

Speaker 9 The situation with Miles is he right now is not interested in talking about an extension. And I know we've got these questions and speculation about where Miles Garrett's going to wind up.

Speaker 9 And that'll be interesting if Cleveland moves off its stance. But, you know, I know Philly's been floated out there.

Speaker 1 I've had Eagles fans like,

Speaker 9 are we trading for Miles Garrett? Like,

Speaker 9 there are no absolutes at this time of the year. Anything is always possible.

Speaker 9 But I don't know how Philadelphia, who is going to have to pay Cam Juergens and Jordan Davis from the class of 2022, and Jalen Carter and Nolan Swift from the class of 2023, and Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper Dejean from the class of 24, and draft and re-sign some of its own players like they're going to want to bring back Zach Vaughn.

Speaker 9 How are they finding the money, not to mention the compensation, to go out and get Miles Garrett? Like, is that real?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 9 But I mean, things always could happen.

Speaker 1 Howie's a dog. Howie has this ability.

Speaker 1 Howie is.

Speaker 1 He's an absolute dog. Now, granted, Andrew Berry is obviously going to be the one who's going to have to be on the other side of that conversation and maybe has them and everything like that.

Speaker 1 He's seemingly not moving, but as you've noted, that doesn't mean anything, especially with the history in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Miles Garrett getting added to that Vic Fangie over defense over there with all the changes that they make. I couldn't even fathom if Howie's able to reload like that.

Speaker 1 But to the victors go the spoils and the downfalls. Gonna have to pay everybody.
Excited to see how they navigate it. Chef D, we appreciate the hell out of you, man.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for taking the time on this glorious franchise tag Deadline Tuesday.

Speaker 9 Gentlemen, it was always a pleasure. Have a great day and enjoy Osa Adigazua tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Thank you for making that happen for us, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Chef Der.

Speaker 1 So, fresh out of a $80 million extension, Osa Odigazua will be joining us tomorrow at 12.15. Can't wait to get his thoughts.
Because to be clear, did not know a lot about him. No.

Speaker 1 You know, I think I remember his name during games whenever he'd make a big-time play, but it was never the talking point of the Dallas Cowboys. He just got broken off.
I mean, big-time deal.

Speaker 1 Good for him. D-tackle getting that type of money.
Good news for him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a lot of those guys do the dirty work. You don't really know them.
They don't really make the headlines.

Speaker 3 The guy, the edge guys like Michael Parsons, obviously Trevon Diggs, even Overshone when he was doing a linebacker last year. But this is the guy that does the dirty work.
Glad he got his money.

Speaker 1 I am certainly in agreement with that. Rich Eisen broke some rumors that he had heard from the combine.
He said, these are not facts. These are just things that I have heard around the combine.

Speaker 1 Rich Eisen talks to everybody

Speaker 1 at the combine.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of convos at the combine.

Speaker 1 Now, what the convo is at the combine doesn't necessarily mean what it's going to be whenever free agency comes, doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be what draft is, but he's getting a chance to hear from a lot of people what is currently happening.

Speaker 15 happening not necessarily the end game but what is currently happening this is what he has to say about the giants i heard the giants and raiders interest in matthew stafford was quite real and it was hairy at at certain junctures last week and i heard the giants hit the number and they hit the number for stafford

Speaker 15 and they not only hit the number for stafford I heard this again from multiple people. I heard they hit the number for Stafford and they hit the trade comp too.

Speaker 1 They were in.

Speaker 15 And I heard the Raiders were way in too on Stafford. And Stafford had a real at the Giants even, you know, they hired his brother-in-law, Chad Hall, on the coaching staff? Oh, whoa.

Speaker 15 And so

Speaker 1 they really made a run.

Speaker 7 So Giants hit the trade comp.

Speaker 1 They hit it. Hit the number,

Speaker 2 which was reported 90 to 100 million Garrett.

Speaker 1 Whatever it was. I don't know what it was.
I heard they hit it. Why didn't the deal get done?

Speaker 15 Because I think at the end of the day,

Speaker 15 the Staffords like looking at

Speaker 15 the sun setting over the Pacific Ocean, and it's,

Speaker 15 well, you know, when it all comes down to it, it is the best spot for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he said that the Giants were all in.

Speaker 1 And meeting the trade comp, meeting the number, which allegedly potentially nine figures in this entire thing at this stage of Matthew Stafford's career, Rap Report during the combine came out and said that he took a lot less money to stay with the Rams.

Speaker 1 McVay yesterday said, whenever this comes out, he'll see how incredibly selfless this was of matthew stafford with the deal so i think him being able to kind of hear the options and the opportunities and where he would have to go to get these things was certainly a good thing that the rams let him do that's a good football gods will bless the rams i think with that but inevitably in the end matthew stafford and mcvey talk on friday morning i assume lesneed gets in there as well they lay out the plan going forward maybe air some grievances sure maybe air some grievances on how things have gone and they get to a point where matthew stafford is returning in the middle of you decided to interrupt and you said that these teams suck, which is potentially why Matthew Stafford didn't want it.

Speaker 1 I think that is also a massive piece of it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, yeah, but you're going to a quarterback at his age, what he's already accomplished.

Speaker 3 You're going to different franchises that you would think are a little further away from winning than you are in L.A. A lot of us expected L.A.
to win three, four games this past season.

Speaker 3 What they had, they obviously knew what they had.

Speaker 3 We saw Sean McVay yesterday, and just talking to him for however long that was, you can sell the electricity and what he brings to that building day in and day out. And I feel like this is right.

Speaker 3 This is only right. This is the right place for Matt Stafford to finish his career.
Had a long loyal run in Detroit and I think this is the right place to go and go and finish it however he sees fit.

Speaker 3 Still a team that can be right there in it. We saw how dominant that Philadelphia Eagles run was last year, but this was a team that was a few plays away.

Speaker 3 So it's the right place, I think, for Non to finish his career.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and you mentioning, you know, when it comes out of his contract, how generous he's going to look and how awesome it is. Could you imagine Devontae going over there?

Speaker 2 We're talking about teams that he could possibly play for and

Speaker 2 maybe go play a little bit.

Speaker 1 They said the West Coast is going to be a real part of Devontae's decision-making process.

Speaker 2 Because of his family, that was the whole thing with the Raiders when he was a fan of the Raiders growing up and his family's out there. They can go see his games.

Speaker 2 Like the Rams, him with McVay and Puka Nakua and Kyron Williams. You're talking about just winning immediately.
That would be incredible.

Speaker 1 Him going into a McVay offense would be... fun to watch.

Speaker 5 There's another West Coast team that needs a wide-out too.

Speaker 1 Go on.

Speaker 5 Same exact city.

Speaker 5 When I saw that rap report about West Coast, I immediately pulled it up. And Chargers and Rams

Speaker 5 both need wide receivers. They're both on the West Coast.
They both can win, especially with great quarterbacks. Those are places Devontae would probably love.

Speaker 1 Yeah, especially,

Speaker 1 I mean, maybe the Chargers go this year. Maybe.

Speaker 1 Did you watch Harbaugh and Hortiz on the program? Yes. You loved the Chargers since the day they got Justin Herbert.
What did you learn from that conversation?

Speaker 1 What I learned is they got a culture already in place and they're going to go. Yep.

Speaker 3 I love the, and obviously we only get to see bits and pieces, but even the relationship dynamic between those two like here when

Speaker 3 i forgot who asked about khalil mack yeah it's like hey pay him pay the man pay the guy

Speaker 3 like he's even the guys that aren't necessarily under contract right now you can tell what those guys mean to that culture we always say culture culture culture uh jim harbaugh has shown he's a culture guy he can build winners you know the way he builds them he's going to build his team through the draft through the free agents he's going to bring the right guys in we've been around the weight we met everybody from the weight room from the staff and just the vibes in that building you feel like that's an organization going in the right direction.

Speaker 3 And you always have to have a guy at quarterback. And I think they have the guy with Herbert.

Speaker 1 How about the Rams, too? One play away from beating the Philadelphia Eagles and beating the hell out of everybody. It's like they're on the cusp of potentially going.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of teams that are close, I think. Whenever we look back, maybe we forget about because they didn't play in the playoffs or they didn't play late.
So we forget all about it.

Speaker 1 It's the NBA playoff effect. If you're not in the NBA playoffs, nobody knows you even had a season.
I mean, because it's so long. You're in there.
It's happening with college ball, too, for me.

Speaker 1 If you didn't, like Jackson Dart, we hadn't seen him play football in forever yeah we saw a lot of people play football then you watch these highlights you're like oh dude's a dog nice dude's an absolute dog you kind of forget about him same thing in the nfl with some of these teams i think we just rule everybody out as that team's stunk they didn't make the playoffs and it's like there's a lot of organizations that are sitting there like we were four plays away from like really making it we're playing every year every year that's the case where there's so many they're not so many but there's a handful of teams that lost so many one score games or three or six point losses where yeah for whatever reason, they just couldn't find a way to get over the hump there.

Speaker 11 So I don't know if you're on a while. I'm on the one-shot right now if that's actually what's going out.

Speaker 1 But I think there's a lot of teams like that. Hey, that's good self-awareness because you guys producing television ones out there, chit-chatting about a situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's an interesting time right now for our program, you know? Like at this exact moment right now.

Speaker 1 Just sitting and waiting on a text message. We got, we got, if I could put that eyeball emoji out, I would put that eyeball emoji out right now.

Speaker 1 Hey, something's coming. Holy shit.
Anytime you see me put the eyeball emoji out, it's me saying, I know what's about to come out.

Speaker 1 And I've decided not to dive into the insider world and let everybody know. Come on.

Speaker 1 This one is

Speaker 1 Eyes. You could.

Speaker 1 Eyes emoji, and we are going to be the ones, I think, that are going to let

Speaker 1 the cat out of the bag, I do believe, on a rather large.

Speaker 1 Rather large piece of news.

Speaker 3 Daddy, be careful getting into this world, though.

Speaker 1 I know. You know what? Everybody fucking hates me already, so dance with the dragon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't want to get in the insider world because you piss people off, and it's like, I already have enough people saying terrible things about me, so forget it.

Speaker 1 Maybe I do get in the insider world. Good luck, Starbucks stare-down guys.

Speaker 1 There might be a new pecking order in this entire game, but it is

Speaker 1 certainly an honor to potentially do that type of thing. You got to earn up a lot of trust with people.
I think in this particular case, we have. And

Speaker 1 now we just sit and wait for a text to. Big fish?

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is a big piece of news. Maybe just do it.
This is a big.

Speaker 11 What position?

Speaker 1 Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
We've held on to this for a little bit now. So, you know, it's been squeaky clean.

Speaker 1 What was that thing you wanted to talk about, Tone, in the ball cap? It was something about something that happened about something in the

Speaker 1 NFL world. Remember, it was a big deal on this franchise tag day with those free agents.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was a big deal. I was just talking about the free agents in general and how great this class is.
There's a ton of D-backs we talked about earlier. That's a huge part of this one.

Speaker 5 And it's kind of like there's not a lot of, I mean, there's D-backs obviously in the draft, but it's not a deep D-backs one.

Speaker 5 So the free agency D-backs could be heavy, especially, you know, the same with the wide receivers, but probably not for like running backs because those are D-tackles because those are heavy in the draft.

Speaker 5 But there's still a lot of huge names out there. And now that Devontae's on that, like

Speaker 5 Chefty said that there was tears for wide receivers, but like when I look at the wide receivers, Godwin's coming off an injury. So maybe

Speaker 5 him 1A, Stephon Diggs is coming off an injury.

Speaker 3 Mari cooper you know coming off of a bit long in the tooth yeah a bit long of a tooth something weird happened there in buffalo where he didn't get a ton of production but devonta is definitely i think in my eyes 1a as far as wide receiver free agency goes a healthy diggs a healthy motivated stephon diggs obviously out there playing for some money um and then not even hollywood brown you know i think he brings a level of explosive off an injury too to an offense for sure yeah he got you know got healthy later on and milt williams on the other side of the ball in the trenches he's guys just dominate the super bowl so he played his best ball at the right time.

Speaker 1 It's a magical time around the NFL, and obviously we'll continue to chat about it on

Speaker 1 ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, YouTube, and TikTok Live.

Speaker 1 There's, yeah,

Speaker 1 something's cooking right now, and it'll certainly be coming in a few moments. I believe this clock is completely off.
Shout out to Bruce Brown. We'll be back tomorrow here on ESPN.

Speaker 1 We'll see you then.

Speaker 1 I think we're actually on ESPN 2 right now. Yeah, well, we did part four today.

Speaker 1 Spring training, baby. Spring training.

Speaker 4 Mats are playing ball.

Speaker 1 I think it's all week. Sodo play? I think it's all week.

Speaker 1 When's opening day? I think Friday we're actually ESPN news.

Speaker 1 Three weeks, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Friday we're ESPN news. Oh, really? Yeah, I think it's

Speaker 1 y'all we diner. But with that being said, it doesn't matter because the digital audience is the only one that matters.

Speaker 2 Don't say that.

Speaker 1 Don't say that. Josh Pate, my dude, pointing out the obvious and all the things that I've been wanting to say for years.
Josh Pate is saying, so we appreciate you, brother. We do appreciate you.

Speaker 1 It's amazing how that works, though, isn't it, Josh? All these TV people say, yeah, the internet people are a bunch of hack, blah, blah, blah. And then they go to the internet and goodbye.

Speaker 1 You vanish.

Speaker 1 Poof. Gone.

Speaker 1 And then the other thing, digital people add into that and it seems to go, okay. Why is that?

Speaker 1 I wonder why that is. Which one's more difficult? Well, the people that are on digital, they have to find you.
They have to get to you, which is why we're so damn thankful for all of you.

Speaker 1 Because you have to open an app or you have to search into an app, you have to go to a platform, you have to dive in to get to us.

Speaker 1 And to be honest, it never made sense to any of us why you guys do that for us.

Speaker 1 We understand we're the dumbest show of all time, but the fact that you do it, we're incredibly thankful for.

Speaker 1 And this big night out that's happening relatively soon with a date being announced here in a few days and then ticket sales to be following in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 It's a massive give back to us. I thank you to everybody, you know, and I think it's going to be a magical evening.
I think it's going to be a magical night in Pittsburgh. And AJ,

Speaker 1 I will give away one of the surprises because there is huge surprises throughout the night. Okay.
That and friends thing is certain. We're exploring the space of friends.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We are exploring the space of and friends. AJ Hawk will be a part of the show.
What? Wow. Wow.
Let's go. Thank you, AJ.

Speaker 11 What about magician Michael Malone?

Speaker 1 We will not be having the guy that ate nails on this stage.

Speaker 1 It's tough to book.

Speaker 1 And also, our people have already seen him. Our people have already seen that trade.
We don't need, you know, I I want this to be

Speaker 1 exciting. So, AJ will be a part of the program.
Consider that a little. And guess who else? Who? Who? Darren St.
Buller. D-Butch.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 Can't wait.

Speaker 1 D-Butch is going to be there. It's going to be a big one.
It is not going to be our program, just as a heads up. It's not a live show.
It's not this show. It will be a live show.
Correct.

Speaker 1 But it's not this show.

Speaker 1 Live show. Humans from this show on show,

Speaker 1 but not this. It's a show that's never been done before.
The more I've looked into it,

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. You heard this morning?

Speaker 11 Like Night Show Circus, maybe? Like that?

Speaker 1 Sure. I mean, maybe we'll get a dirt bike in there doing a backflip.
I'm on Hearst Finch or maybe get a padded rate. There's a chance.
D-but heard it for the first time this morning.

Speaker 1 I believe you heard the entirety of the show this morning for the first time. And your thoughts is never been done before.

Speaker 3 Never been done. Not even close.
Should be unprecedented.

Speaker 1 Should be pretty good, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Should be pretty electrifying. Happy it's happening in Pittsburgh.
Shout out to the Yinsers and for the surrounding area. Ah, geez, Louise.

Speaker 2 Kicking the tires, but.

Speaker 1 20 hot confirmation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, buddy. It always goes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, buddy, just got. Oh, yeah.
Oh,

Speaker 3 if you would have made that, you would have had to just

Speaker 1 fire fire from the hip.

Speaker 5 No, because you got to get, you know.

Speaker 1 Whenever this comes, everybody's going to be like, it makes sense that they're sitting sitting here instead of going to the bathroom, which he clearly has to piss. Look at him moving around right now.

Speaker 1 I certainly do. I've been hydrating the shit out of myself.
I think, you know, I'm trying to get healthier as I continue to grow on.

Speaker 1 That was one of the conversations I had with myself during the break. I said, listen, you got a daughter, dude.
Let's live. Fingo.
Let's survive. You are healthy, though.

Speaker 1 Not as much as I could be, you know.

Speaker 11 What do you got? You got to carry a tone? You got to carry the metal jug around like Tone was doing?

Speaker 1 Won't do that, but I do respect those who do because they care more than anybody else. With that being said, shout out to one half a hammer, Don, ball cap boys, AP Tone, no cowboy hats.
Wow,

Speaker 2 good ride, Tony.

Speaker 5 Walked into Hammer downtown as I do every single day to grab my cowboy hat, and I looked at it and I said, I don't think you deserve to wear that today. So I didn't.

Speaker 1 Why? What happened to you? Did you do something? Did you?

Speaker 1 I just didn't feel it.

Speaker 1 Did you feel it, buddy? What was the guilt that you were feeling about a cowboy hat? I don't feel

Speaker 5 yourself. It's not something I am capable of.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 2 That's good.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so it has nothing to do with it. I think it's because I probably, I don't think I've been watching, I haven't watched a cowboy show or movie in a long time, so I just didn't

Speaker 1 feel it in my bones. You can feel it.
Yeah, you can wear it. Yeah, chase it.
Yeah, for sure. And he decided to chase the ball cap today.

Speaker 5 You know, it's, it's winter, so I haven't listened to country music in a while either. So it's just, you know, it's kind of

Speaker 2 lettuce is phenomenal these days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. When are we going to finally just do no cap? Soon.
One half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Dad. No cap, boys.
When's that going to happen? Probably soon. Soon.

Speaker 2 Keep capping. I'm getting older.

Speaker 5 I looked at Mahomes on the hardwood the other day and I said, he cut his hair. You know, what am I doing? It's not Halloween.
I'm parading around in a cowboy hat all the time.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. You're starting to.
Wait, wait. We knew this time was inevitable.

Speaker 2 You're a cowboy.

Speaker 1 We knew that this was going to come. This has been since COVID, bro.

Speaker 5 It's been like four or five years since I've been on a ranch. I've been busy.
I haven't done light ranching in a couple years at least.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe 30. What?

Speaker 1 What? 35 years. So you're no longer a cowboy? Is that what I'm saying? I am.
I am. I am.
No, it's a good idea. massacre

Speaker 1 massacre we since the day today yeah give me seven weeks cowboy tone is dead brother oh no absolutely i know what he asked and it is a necessity

Speaker 1 in this particular case it is the hammer down

Speaker 1 cowboys will ride no more Wow

Speaker 1 just the hammer down boy I didn't know this was gonna happen today moment of silence. You you got COVID.
You went into your COVID cave?

Speaker 1 In between bouts of shaking and trembles and

Speaker 1 being incredibly hot and being incredibly cold and being wildly sick, something that none of us had ever really seen before in 15-minute intervals, seemingly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Shiting your pants.

Speaker 1 Perfectly scheduled. I didn't have that one.

Speaker 1 You had to isolate yourself from your entire family.

Speaker 1 And while you were awake, you said, fuck it. I'm going to dive through this sports book more than I've ever done before.

Speaker 1 Coming out of there, you became the best gambler you have ever been. Thank you.

Speaker 1 So the COVID cowboy became a superstar gombler, which actually started Hammer

Speaker 1 every single day.

Speaker 1 Now, although Hammer died, we'll still ride. The cowboys

Speaker 1 seemingly no more. What an era.
What a run. It was one of the good things that came from COVID.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now it's dead.

Speaker 1 God bless the cowboy.

Speaker 1 Amen. Thank you, Rob.
I'm bummed at.

Speaker 1 Me too. I'm bummed out.
Hey, Bill.

Speaker 1 Bailey McComas did just come in and take a photo of the moment of silence for the cowboy.

Speaker 1 Had the capture moment.

Speaker 1 This is a big moment. This is a big moment in the history of our program.

Speaker 1 I'm happy that Bill got that. Thank you, Bill.
That's what AJ was saying. Your head popped into the bottom half of the, and then you're traps.
He's working out with his bodybuilders.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's so jacked. i mean we should have went to the bathroom and came back with this still just sitting here staring at not even a typing thing

Speaker 1 not even a typing thing probably still can these things these things tend to linger yeah and they talk i'm gonna say hey hey the fuck i'm about to piss my pants can we piss

Speaker 11 oh in that case yes you can confirm hey

Speaker 1 I've been on three phone calls today during the show. I don't think a lot of people understand.

Speaker 2 That's big news. That's when you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, walk away. Boys, need you to ask an extendo question here.
Maybe a follow-up in this entire thing. I'm on a damn.

Speaker 1 I think we're close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I heard that before.

Speaker 11 Technical bubbles.

Speaker 1 Actual message saying

Speaker 1 soon. We're going to hold the line.
I mean,

Speaker 2 soon means very soon. 10 minutes is soon.

Speaker 5 Like you said, can I go pee?

Speaker 1 Fogel?

Speaker 1 What? White's getting out.

Speaker 11 He's getting out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you would know.

Speaker 1 That's what you think we're holding up the show for? That's your problem. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 You should have. That's something you should have done, as not something you would hold up a show for.

Speaker 1 But with that being said, I do think he's getting out at some point.

Speaker 2 Makes sense on franchise tag death.

Speaker 1 Something else is

Speaker 5 getting fired squad in South Carolina.

Speaker 2 No, yeah, South Carolina is bringing back Death by Firing Squad for the death penalty.

Speaker 1 Further than 15 to 15 years.

Speaker 2 Three guys are going in. They're going to have rifles about 15 feet away, and they're all going to have live ammunition.

Speaker 3 Only three?

Speaker 2 Yeah, which is a little disappointing. And I thought

Speaker 1 they were all fighting.

Speaker 2 No, well, that's what they used to do, but they're saying, nah, we're not doing that anymore. So they're all going to

Speaker 2 give the guy, you know.

Speaker 1 And now they don't know whose bullet did the killing, so nobody has any guilt. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Public full led.

Speaker 2 And then they also have a doctor on staff to come in and confirm.

Speaker 1 Yep, he's dead. Okay, we take a break.
We'll be back in about five with some breaking news. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Big breaking news i didn't know that was coming back in 2025 me neither pawns kind of off

Speaker 11 better not miss dude strapped in 10 feet away you better not miss i don't did you see i think i saw something where a guy got um

Speaker 1 scare him a bit and he didn't die leafland jacket oh yeah that happens a lot

Speaker 11 for like 40 minutes or something now no

Speaker 1 durard didn't die didn't die

Speaker 1 went back into death row and they were like, do I get to go now? I thought that was kind of

Speaker 1 how it

Speaker 1 was kind of going. And they go, nah, three more months.
We're going to do that.

Speaker 2 Don't worry. We're going to hire someone to slit your throat tonight in the mess hall.

Speaker 1 Don't worry.

Speaker 1 Don't worry.

Speaker 1 Death Row doesn't have a mess hall, I don't believe.

Speaker 1 All right, we're lucky to cover him. That's AJ Hawk.
The Toxic Table is here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer.
Dad. Ball Cat Boys AP Tony's here.
Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J.

Speaker 1 Bunker is here. You look fantastic, debut.
All right, it is a great Tuesday because obviously the franchise tag deadline is in an hour and 49 minutes.

Speaker 1 Will any other teams put the franchise tags on their players? We shall wait and see. What we do know

Speaker 1 is our source says have told us that the Super Bowl champion, Philadelphia Eagles, have signed Saquon Barkley to a two-year extension averaging over $20 $20 million per year, $36 million guaranteed at signing, with $15 million more available in incentives.

Speaker 1 Obviously, nobody had this in their bingo cards. Nobody had a clue if Saquon Barkley was going to sign an extension.

Speaker 1 They thought he took less money to go to Philadelphia, and that thing was always settled.

Speaker 1 Instead, Howie, a money team Ed, who represents Saquon Barkley, decided to get together, do what was right for the most electrifying, the most dominant, the most powerful player in the NFL this year year behind a great offensive line, a historic run to a Super Bowl champion, and add two more years and money that has never been seen before at the running back position.

Speaker 1 Now, I have more information on this entire thing regarding an extension for running back one year in on a three-plus year free agency deal. Never been done before.

Speaker 1 Not even in the second league year has it happened for a running back. This is happening in the same league year.

Speaker 1 Howie wanted to make it right for Saquon for everything he did for the Philadelphia Eagles team. This is the largest fully guaranteed for a running back in NFL history.

Speaker 1 It's the highest two-year cash for a running back in NFL history. It's the highest three-year cash for a running back in NFL history.

Speaker 1 Max average per year possible if all the incentives are hit, $25.85 million per year.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to Saquon Barkley and the Philadelphia Eagles for getting a historic, legendary, one-of-one deal done for a one-of-one running back who put the team on his back dough. What a deal.

Speaker 1 What a time. What a run by Saquon.

Speaker 1 From whatever we saw in hard knocks offseason, Joe Shane saying, I don't think we'll be able to pay that amount of money with how much we're paying our quarterback and everything like that.

Speaker 1 The Eagles have a $50-plus million dollar quarterback on the roster and now a 20 million plus running back on the roster while having A.J.

Speaker 1 Brown, Devontae Smith, the best offensive line in football, and a tight end Goddard who's tougher than you are.

Speaker 1 Howie has continued to somehow do these magic tricks to stack a roster on the defensive side. They're going to have to make some plays.
They're going to have to add some people. Bradbury gone.

Speaker 1 Darius Slay gone. Zach Bond, potential free agent.
What will they do there? We assume they'll figure it out because that's what they've done.

Speaker 1 Nick Siriani, Big Dom, Howie, and the entire squad over there, Bradley Cooper included, keep Saquon Barkley and his powerful football team together for at least another two years on top of of the deal they signed.

Speaker 1 Congrats the whole board. Wow.

Speaker 1 AJ, it's a big deal, and I think it's a good olive branch from the Philadelphia Eagles to reward a player that has done so many amazing things for them in such a short time.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, credit to the Eagles in getting this done. $36 million guaranteed at signing.
That's gigantic, especially for the running back position.

Speaker 11 And yeah, the fact that they did this when they absolutely did not need to, they didn't have to. This is like in good faith, like, hey,

Speaker 11 you paid us back

Speaker 11 so much by the trade that we made to bring you in here and what you brought to this team in in this city. I think this is awesome.
We don't see this happen very often.

Speaker 11 Like you said, Saquon is one-of-one. This kind of deal does very like never happens actually in this kind of setting.
So, yeah, this is awesome, man. Like, why, I guess, why not?

Speaker 11 If you have the cap space and you can make it work, why wouldn't you do this? This energizes your whole team.

Speaker 1 And remember, Saquon took less money to go to the Philadelphia Eagles than he could have got in numerous other places because of how much he appreciated the culture, the area, and the offensive line.

Speaker 1 Being able to keep him around, obviously, how he knew was like, this is good, but also keeping him happy.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, let's let our star know that we love him here, and let's reward them for the year that they had. And we won a Super Bowl with this guy, and let's run it back.

Speaker 1 Debut, I love this move by the Eagles.

Speaker 3 This is awesome. This is great.
Howie kind of always catches us by surprise. Nobody expected this to happen.
You said first time ever going in re-up after the first year. And he took less initially.

Speaker 3 And it's kind of like everything you've seen Saquon do, I guess, even in front of the camera, we don't see it all, but like the game where he didn't go back in to finish his single game rushing record or whatever it was.

Speaker 3 The single season rushing record set out that last game, didn't chase that, but got the ultimate goal, went and got the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 And now this is the team and the organization, not doing good by their player, doing great by him, something we've never seen before coming off an offensive player of the year, performance where he could have very well been the MVP.

Speaker 3 I love to see this not only for Saquon and the Eagles, but for that running back position. We've been talking about the position coming back, and once you get that money, you reset that market.

Speaker 3 Not a bunch of Saquons out there, obviously, but you reset that market.

Speaker 2 So, you know, these big uh workhorses will start getting their money again yeah it's awesome for some of the younger guys and it didn't change the running back position but it feels like it almost like redefined what you need to have like you need to be able to catch the ball out of the backfield you obviously need to be able to you know take the ball 60 plus yards when you have that space and their own line it is the best in the league so it's a huge you know credit to them too but if you're jameer gibbs if you're you know bijan Robinson, if you're even like a Kyron Williams for the Rams, you know, at least now you kind of know like, okay, there is this new market available for us.

Speaker 2 And those older guys, it kind of stinks. And it feels like, even for like Derrick Henry, you would think maybe Derrick Henry could get a new deal from this.

Speaker 2 But even him, he doesn't do what Saquon does when it comes to, you know, the effectiveness in the past game and stuff.

Speaker 2 They use Justice Hill a little more often than, you know, any of the other running backs like the Eagles get, but it's great for the running back position because that's been a huge storyline the last few years.

Speaker 1 How many mil do you think they added on for the jump over backwards thing that he did? Oh, that was at least 30. Yeah, at least 3 million.
At least 30 had to 12.

Speaker 1 probably, yeah, they're probably at like 17 million a year. And they were like, but the.
Check this. You know, there it is.
You see it? He did that. So let's make sure we reward that.

Speaker 1 And they're like, you're right. That's at least three a year.
And then with the incentives up to 25 potentially per year, what a deal. Shout out to money team Ed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, shout out to Ed getting that deal done. I mean, that is a wonderful job, especially, you know, you talk about everything.

Speaker 1 The Eagles did not have to do this at all. At all.

Speaker 1 Nobody would have really been able to grandstand about it either. Like, hey, you got to take care of Saquon.
You got to take two years left on this entire deal. Like, he just got there.

Speaker 1 Like, they had massive success. Nobody would have been petitioning against the Eagles for not re-signing or giving Saquon Barkley more money.

Speaker 1 Like, if Saquon would have came out, which he allegedly would never do with the human that Saquon is, the way he operates and the way he's beloved in that locker room.

Speaker 1 But if Saquon was to come out in every single interview and be like, I need more money. I need more money.
I think Eagles fans would like be like, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 See, also, you got a couple years left in this entire thing. What's the precedent? How are we going to do this?

Speaker 1 So I don't know how many people would have been like, yeah, give him more money with how this worked out. So them just being like, we got to take care of our guy.

Speaker 1 We got to make sure he knows how much we value him. We got to make sure he understands that we believe in everything that he's about.
It's

Speaker 1 that's a beautiful thing to watch.

Speaker 11 It brings a message to the rest of the team, though. Think about it.
Sends a message to the team, too.

Speaker 11 Hey, if you come here and you do, like you're unbelievable and you're you know the behind we don't see all the behind the scenes stuff we just know what we hear and how the guy is just uh you know the the the absolute pro at all times and unbelievable for his teammates but it shows you like hey we take care of our dudes even though yeah we didn't draft saquan we traded for him he comes in and we take care of him and i wonder who instigated who started this like did ed come to the to the eagles and money ed berry come in there and say hey now we need some more cash or did they come to him like that's how did this even start i genuinely have no idea i wonder if there was a conversation that was had that was like hey, don't you think?

Speaker 1 By either side? And it's like, yeah, actually,

Speaker 11 we should. That does make sense.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We should. And that's

Speaker 1 the type of culture I think they're trying to build over there, too, right?

Speaker 1 Like, Sirianni talks about how much bonding and love and everything, because there is going to be adversity, especially in Philadelphia. Okay, there's going to be adversity in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 Their fans are going to bring you some adversity, whether or not there is adversity. I mean, they're winning games last year and people are calling for heads.
They changed their style of offense.

Speaker 1 They're two wide receivers who have been paid, who are number one wide receivers on their own, had less pass attempts than rushing attempts for the entire offense, and they still kept everybody on board.

Speaker 1 It's like that culture over there, that building is in a very good spot, fresh off of the Super Bowl. Lose a couple key pieces, but this is what happens whenever you're successful.
They keep Saquon.

Speaker 1 I assume they're going to be able to keep that offense aligned. And if you got that, you can win any game.
And I assume that's what they know over there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it seems like this would be something that is mutual because obviously...

Speaker 2 When they acquired Saquon, like if he stays healthy and he does all the things that you think he can do, you know, he's going to have have an unbelievable season.

Speaker 2 But I would even imagine that, like, what he did this year surpassed their wildest expectations.

Speaker 2 I don't think you assume a guy's going to rush for 2,000 yards and for him, too, to realize, like, hey, I'm from this area growing up. I went to Penn State.

Speaker 2 Like, this is where I want to be for, you know, as long as I can be. So, yeah, if it's a little bit more money here, why not?

Speaker 2 And for them to know, like, the Eagles probably don't win the Super Bowl if they don't have Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 1 Not probably. Yeah, that's, well, right.

Speaker 2 You just, you know, I'm not trying to talk in absolutes here, but yeah, like, absolutely. If they don't have Saquon Barkley, they're not winning the Super Bowl.
So it makes sense.

Speaker 2 Like, let's not carry this thing out and drag it out longer than it needs to be. Let's make sure he's happy and get things done.

Speaker 2 And like you said, for Howie, like, you can do this kind of stuff when you have a bunch of rookies and young guys who are immediate impact players on your offense and defense.

Speaker 2 And, you know, and you get a guy like Zach Bond, who you paid for pennies, and then he has the season like he has. So it's just tremendous all around for the Eagles.

Speaker 5 And when we talk about it being a mutual deal situation, there is a chance because sometimes when players get these extensions, that

Speaker 5 the cap hit for this year could actually be better than what it was going to be on his current contract. And they do have a ton of people to pay.

Speaker 5 So as far as it being mutual, it could be a situation like that too, where his cap hit is actually better this season, even though he's getting more money. He's getting an extension.

Speaker 5 He's getting more guaranteed money, but it works out for the team and the player.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 11 No, I mean, I think that when you can spread it out and give a guy a deal, it'll free you up cap space like right now in the moment. So I'm sure, yeah, it worked out for everybody.

Speaker 11 We get to to take care of this guy that has done so much for this organization in the short time he has been here.

Speaker 11 And it might free us up a little bit in cap space, even though we are making this guy the highest paid running back of all time.

Speaker 1 I bet you Big Dom was the one that said we needed a dude. Probably

Speaker 3 definitely has something to do with it. But even with, because we were talking about it with the Niners, you know, having to move these pieces around because you have to pay your quarterback.

Speaker 3 Like Howie paid Jalen Hurts, but his cap hit is like super low.

Speaker 3 Like he's, you know, making 51 a year, but his cap hit is to the point where they can have all this flexibility where people are still talking about hey they may be in the miles garrett you know ballpark and making that work somehow some way and it's it's one thing to talk about it aj talked about this deal doing this at this point sends a message to the locker room and it's one way one thing to talk about it but we all know a business like the money is how you show your respect especially in that locker room especially at that position when you are taking that risk to give that money to a running back position

Speaker 3 We look, we looked at it a few weeks ago, all the guys on the Eagles roster who have already been paid, whether there's O-line, the guys on the D-line, secondary, all up and down that roster.

Speaker 3 Guys have gotten fair, good contracts up front. So once again, another great move from Howard.

Speaker 1 I wonder, you know, McVay says, I want to see as opposed to here or something like that.

Speaker 1 I can see how you feel a lot different than here how you feel or something like that. I forget his exact quote, what it was.
It's like, to your point, it's like, yeah, we love you. We love you.

Speaker 1 We love you here. And then actually being like, no, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 Hey, we're like very grateful for you, man. Thank you for what you did.

Speaker 1 Not that Saquon would ever not be all in, but I'm just saying saying the amount of buy-in that you have from stars now jalen super bowl champion paid all in saquon super bowl champion paid all in it's like having your guys be all in is good news for the offseason going into training camp just the ease of the mind taking distractions out of the way because there's always going to be them and uh i love the move taking care of their guy Taking care of their guy.

Speaker 11 It'll make you want to prove them right. Like we know, like athletes, you're driven by proving people wrong.
Like, all right, I hate this person. They slighted me.
I got chip on my shoulder.

Speaker 11 Like, there's a ton of motivation in that, but there's also motivation in trying to prove people right. Like, hey, these people believe in me.
Like, these front office, they didn't have to do this.

Speaker 11 And I think that trickles down through everybody in the roster. Like, you, if you feel like they, like it's a, it's a true partnership and they appreciate you.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you want to do whatever it takes to prove them right.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who spends all of his time on ESPN. And even when he's on ESPN, he says he's not going to spend all of his time on ESPN.

Speaker 1 Then he comes back to being on ESPN, which is good news for all of us. Ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, former NFL quarterback now, expert on everything, football on ESPN, Dan Orlovsky.

Speaker 1 Dano, obviously,

Speaker 1 you know the Johns well. Your wife, I believe, from Philadelphia.
You pay close attention to the Eagles because of that. You've said some things throughout the year.
about the Eagles.

Speaker 1 You weren't the only one. A lot of people have said these things.
But this deal that Hallie and Saquon were able to get done through money team Ed Berry,

Speaker 1 I love it. Not only like is it historic amongst running backs and everything like that, but just there was no need for it.

Speaker 1 And for the Eagles to say, we want to take care of our guy, I think that's good precedent to set with the football gods, Dano.

Speaker 7 This just happened?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just broke it, bud.

Speaker 7 So 20, so we got a two-year extension for what, 40, 40.1 or something?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but with incentives.

Speaker 1 Incentives included, it could go up to 25.85 million per year if he hits all incentives, which I assume is everything he did this past season.

Speaker 7 Kyle Roseman, God bless.

Speaker 1 Is it two years left on a deal? Two years left on a deal. Could have just waited out.
Nobody would be petitioning for Saquon. Instead, get a deal done in the offseason here.

Speaker 1 Now we got no question marks on who our studs are, Dio.

Speaker 7 I also think, I think Philadelphia for years, I mean, I remember going back, I think like 10 years, they were always or one of the teams that was always paying guys a year early.

Speaker 7 Like so often teams wait till and places wait till the person's contract up or a player's contract is up and it's like the very end of it.

Speaker 7 And I remember I thought they did it maybe with like Fletcher Cox and Lane Johnson where they just choose to pay, hey, we drafted you. You're in your second year.

Speaker 7 We're just going to extend you because you, we know you're a good player and whatnot. So Philadelphia,

Speaker 7 that means right now it's the best roster in football, clearly, and it certainly seems like they've added it. But it's

Speaker 7 awesome to see. It's one of the reasons why it seems like those people love playing there is how he does take care of them.

Speaker 7 And so that's big time for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. They'll continue to stay committed to the run game.
I think they had 715 rushes, 515 passes last season.

Speaker 1 It was like they clearly committed to the one over the other, kept everybody happy, and won a Super Bowl, which means other teams are going to try to do the same exact thing.

Speaker 1 So not only are they trailblazing in this entire thing, they're also taking care of their guys that are doing it all. Good for the Eagles, man.
Good for Philadelphia. Yeah.
Hey, that's

Speaker 1 the best.

Speaker 1 That's the city of brotherly love. That's right.
That's the city of brotherly love right there. No doubt.

Speaker 7 The amount of the runs that happened, I remember I texted Kellen, I think some point, maybe late September, early on.

Speaker 1 What you say, hey, I'm trying to get Siriani fired for you to become the head coach.

Speaker 7 And I said,

Speaker 7 I don't know exactly how the conversation was started or whatnot.

Speaker 1 Okay, so probably like that. Got it, got it, got it.
Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 7 I honestly think that we can break the amount, like the rushing attempts record.

Speaker 1 That was like the mindset flipped for them at some point late September maybe it was after the buy and hold this the whole stories at the offensive line going to him but he I remember him telling me like we we honestly might try and break the rushing attempts record okay so congrats to the Eagles everybody's gonna try to catch them especially in this you know draft uh season free agency season franchise tag season they're at the top of the mountain everybody's trying to catch up before we talk about everything happening in the football world let's talk about you for a second what was all that shit about Welcome back.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you all right?

Speaker 2 I thought you were dying.

Speaker 1 Well, you, it was like you were gone forever, and then we just saw you on TV and it was like, I can't believe you're going back. All right.

Speaker 1 Isn't that what? I thought you were pulling Jimmy Johnson. Yeah,

Speaker 1 calling it. Yeah, Jimmy Johnson, congrats on a hell of a career

Speaker 1 in the football world. Football appreciates Jimmy Johnson for everything he's done to football.
Listen,

Speaker 7 I honestly don't know why that became such a big deal.

Speaker 7 You made it. I do that.

Speaker 7 No, I don't. I do that.
I do that same thing.

Speaker 7 And a day or two after the Super Bowl, every year, I go from being on TV every day and then taking a pretty substantial break. And so I was just saying, like, hey, I'll be going away.

Speaker 7 Is there a reality that there is a business element of it coming at some point? Sure, but that's the only, I do that every year. Okay.

Speaker 1 You capping, dog. Okay, we don't know if you're capping or not.
We have not paid close enough attention. We do know.

Speaker 1 No cap. Okay.
No cap. He's okay.
No cap.

Speaker 1 He's not capping. He's capping.
He's capping. He said, no capping.
I do it every year.

Speaker 1 He's capping.

Speaker 3 You said go check. I do it.
No cap.

Speaker 7 You can go check.

Speaker 7 Find first take the day or two after the last three Super Bowls. I said basically the same thing.

Speaker 1 We can tell if he capped it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but this year you, you know. added a few crying emojis and everyone wanted to get your tissue.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it was real life. It wasn't actual tweets.
It was real life. I'm gone a little bit.

Speaker 1 It seemed a little bit more emotional this time.

Speaker 7 It was a real part of that. Yeah, that's a real thing.

Speaker 1 It was a long season, too, and you were on TV every single day. So, whenever, you know, the abrupt absence of Dan Orlovsky, we all feel it.

Speaker 1 So, we appreciated the heads up, but I think a lot of people thought it was a little bit more serious. I think because the business end, it also leaked that maybe there is a timeline on all that.

Speaker 1 What we would like you to know, we miss you when you're not on TV, and we're happy you're back. Yeah,

Speaker 1 welcome back, Don. Not that you signed a deal, not that you signed a deal.

Speaker 7 I'm not, yeah, I'm not back.

Speaker 1 You are on TV.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait. you weren't back you were going mad dummy yesterday on tv you were no i

Speaker 1 i worked yesterday um because it was the monday after the nfl combine i'll be on two days next week because it's nfl free agency okay um i think i work a day or two at the end oh these are the final days and a stand we're winding down he's patting he's patting he's not patting he's just he's just he's just a matter of fact right now he's patting around that office i can see it now he said they got me booked two days next week, two days the following week.

Speaker 1 We got the combine, the draft. That's why I'm in there doing, I'm doing my job.
But there's a conversation that needs to be had, I think, is what Dan Rolofsky's saying.

Speaker 1 And what we'd like to say, we're going to enjoy every appearance that you make.

Speaker 1 We should record them all. Every one of them.
Every appearance you make.

Speaker 1 That's not the thing.

Speaker 1 Are you sure? Everything. No, that's it.
The police.

Speaker 1 The police.

Speaker 1 It's not Diddy.

Speaker 1 No

Speaker 1 It's not a Diddy song. It's a Sting song.

Speaker 1 Sting? That's not

Speaker 1 real. It's the police, dude.

Speaker 1 Do it as well. So, this is the Sting vibe.

Speaker 7 I think Sting sang it first.

Speaker 1 No. Every appearance you make.

Speaker 3 I'm still in black art, huh?

Speaker 1 For granted, we won't take it. That's not art.

Speaker 1 That's not true.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're going to bat for Diddy right now?

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 1 You're a South Beach Sting New Song. You're a South Beach guy.

Speaker 1 City Bunch.

Speaker 1 I just want to say

Speaker 1 what I would like to say is

Speaker 1 the appearances that you will be making over the course of the next few weeks, we will definitely take in and enjoy because we think you are fantastic on the television, which is why it was good to see you yesterday.

Speaker 1 Great to see you right now. And whatever happens in the future, we'll obviously support your friend of the program since the beginning.
Hell yeah, Dan.

Speaker 3 They were talking WWE yesterday.

Speaker 1 Him getting in the. Oh, yeah.
You guys talk about Cena a little bit. I saw Jon Stewart talked about it as well.
I don't know if you saw that. Oh, yeah.
That was pretty brilliant.

Speaker 2 I did not.

Speaker 1 Pretty brilliant.

Speaker 1 Did you see that montage last night? It was.

Speaker 1 Look up Jon Stewart. Yeah, it's good.
It's worth the block.

Speaker 1 He really

Speaker 1 brings it all together. We'll do.

Speaker 7 What heel turn shook the wrestling world more? The Hogan one or the Cena one?

Speaker 1 I'll come. So the Hogan one was in WCW.
Hogan?

Speaker 1 The Cena one is a massive ordeal, just strictly because

Speaker 1 it hasn't been publicly stated about Hulk that he would never turn heel.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, it might happen in the sheets and everything like that, but nowadays with how much coverage and social media and everything, it's been addressed so many times that Cena is never going to turn.

Speaker 1 John Cena is a guy that is always a good guy. That is who he is.
And then he signs up for this retirement tour, this one more tour, and it's like, okay, everybody's going to get the John Cena

Speaker 7 one last time.

Speaker 1 And instead, this is a brand new John Cena. This is a

Speaker 1 heel John Cena who sold his soul to the final boss. Wow.
And it's like now the the next 10 months, I'm excited to see what it looks like. I have no idea what he's doing.

Speaker 7 Dude, how many times do you think the rock practiced that?

Speaker 1 How many times has he done it before?

Speaker 1 A billion. That was probably one.
He has a practice. That's a good way to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just goes out there.

Speaker 1 Was this dead and then peace? Is what he said?

Speaker 2 Send him on his way, brother.

Speaker 1 Killing him.

Speaker 3 I was thinking, that's not the countdown.

Speaker 1 It's been reported now. There's a chance that there is a little.

Speaker 1 You know, there's a chance because he goes one.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Two.

Speaker 1 three, yeah. And it's like, well, Cena's thing is the three thing.
Exactly. And then he does two there after the thing.
So what's the one could be? Well, the one could be the only one.

Speaker 5 We need to go back and watch a tape and figure out

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 5 ruptured Cody's eardrum.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is being reported that

Speaker 1 Cody did rupture, blow his eardrum, and

Speaker 1 he did. Yeah, we think, we're not 100% sure, but we think.

Speaker 1 We think.

Speaker 1 We don't know if it's it. It might be.
We don't know if

Speaker 1 That could be it right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we don't know if he ruptured his eardrum there

Speaker 1 or if he ruptured his eardrum, but it's being reported online. I do not know more than anybody else.
Legitimately, they don't tell me anything, but yeah, it was reported that he ruptured his eardrum.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what, I've had a hole in my eardrum for years and decades at this point. Yeah, not fun.
It changes.

Speaker 1 It is not a fun thing to deal with.

Speaker 1 I believe when you're in buds to become a Navy SEAL, if you get a hole in your eardrum or rupture your eardrum, they actually hold you back until the next one because underwater and all the different pressure and everything that is a part of it, like it can really, it can really, water is where it really gets you.

Speaker 1 So Caddy's going to be shyer and one-eyed, you know, potentially if the allegations are true, but it feels like Travis Scott can bring a smack if he needs to.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk a little football, shall we, Dano?

Speaker 1 So I would say the Cena turn is the biggest, just strictly, because I think I was younger when the Hulk Hogan thing happened, and certainly it was awesome because NWO was a fantastic run and doing it on macho the way he went down.

Speaker 1 But now with how much it's been discussed and what we're in the middle of 10 months left of this thing, I thought it was just like a

Speaker 1 come see the hustle loyalty respect guy like one last time. And now it's the complete opposite something we've never been told.
Break a wish.

Speaker 3 But I don't know because didn't the hulkster say he's still getting booed from...

Speaker 1 Riding dirty down there in California. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 It was the last time he was there, though. Him and Holland Nash, last time he was in L.A., he was riding dirty.

Speaker 1 Bad guy.

Speaker 1 maybe that's why they booed him anyways let's move along to some football chatter because we only got so many days left with or lucky that's right that's sad man maybe maybe maybe uh play the hits bro dano i saw you getting a little bit emotional on television about sam darnold you're a believer in sam darnold you think he had two bad games at the end of the year because we were talking at one point maybe he gets 50 million a year he's going to be the um you know the creme data creme of this particular quarterback free agent circuit now everybody's just assuming I guess, the conversation is going to go back to the Vikings.

Speaker 1 You know, the Giants

Speaker 1 met the number for Matthew Stafford. Will they meet the number for Sam Darnold then? Like, what are your thoughts on Sam Darnold and what do you think it looks like for him next year?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's kind of weird how ever since those last two games happened, it's been like the, instead of celebrating Sam Darnold, it's been the, yeah, but about Sam Darnold.

Speaker 7 Did you see the last two games? And I kind of talked about it yesterday.

Speaker 7 If you go back to when Geno Smith went to Seattle and all of a sudden had that one awesome year, it was like, oh, you know, Geno can play.

Speaker 7 And finally had the right stuff around him, coaching, and all that. And then Baker Mayfield gets cast away from Cleveland and he can't play and this guy stinks.

Speaker 7 And all of a sudden, he goes down to Tampa. I know he went to two quick stops, but nothing glamorous.
He goes to Tampa, plays, and it's like, oh, Baker could play.

Speaker 7 A little bit like Jared Goff as well. Like, hey, you know, Jared Goff went from, hey, stinks to, oh, Jared Goff can play.

Speaker 7 And so I don't understand kind of a little bit of the sour narrative around Sam.

Speaker 7 I think the part of it too is like last, those last two games, I'm not making excuses for him, but it's the first time he's been in it.

Speaker 7 I guess that's the first time he's ever felt that as a pro, that pressure, that expectation.

Speaker 7 It was a little bit house money this past year because there wasn't certainly expectations going into the season.

Speaker 7 I think for Sam, the conversation. So, Minnesota, if I was Minnesota, it would start with Sam Darnold.
There's a line of demarcation that I would not cross. And obviously, and everyone's correct.

Speaker 7 I heard Herbie say it, like it does have, what's your viewpoint of JJ McCarthy? Because it's not just Sam versus JJ. It's Sam versus JJ and like 30 or 40 million.

Speaker 7 So maybe the organization sits there and goes, hey, we think JJ is going to be just as productive as Sam in the next year, year and a half.

Speaker 7 And we really need to take that 30 or 40 million and build up our secondary or build up our, you know, inside linebacker group or something.

Speaker 7 And so if they believe that the JJ McCarthy plus the money gives them a better team and they think JJ is going to be similar to production. There's a line that you don't go past.

Speaker 7 I also, from Sam's perspective, you know, Sam went through quarterback hell essentially for his first, I don't know, six years in the league.

Speaker 7 And how much does he really want to leave that cocoon, that insulation, that support that he has in Minnesota?

Speaker 7 Like, are you going to run and say, well, Minnesota's only offered me three for $100, and Pittsburgh's offering me four for, you know, $120 million?

Speaker 7 Is Pittsburgh, that $20 million that much of a difference for you because the places quarterback friendly wise aren't even close so you'd be getting more average per year with the Vikings there I think you take that one right four for 120 is 30 a year three for 100 is 30

Speaker 1 you know what I'm we let's say I'm just saying the deal that you put out there was one that I think he he's getting paid more at the Vikings and he doesn't have to move and he's with Kevin O'Connell but I understand what you're saying for him do you want to leave same thing with Matthew Stafford do you want to get up and move do you want to do that entire thing yet again whenever you go you have success here.

Speaker 1 The threshold is a very real convo, I think, probably with the Vikings and Sam Darnold. I'm also excited to see JJ with Kevin O'Connell, if that is the case.
A lot of weapons, a lot of success.

Speaker 1 Will they be able to do it again? Where's Sam going? Let's talk about another Domino.

Speaker 7 I've heard Kevin loves McCarthy.

Speaker 1 Loves him. I think Kevin would love anybody.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Kevin would love anybody. I think he's like a great coach.
I think he cares.

Speaker 1 I think he's a great coach. I think he's a great ball coach over there.
They've got a great culture. Let's stay with the quarterback dominoes, though.
Go ahead, Con Man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Dano, what do you think think about Rodgers? You know, he's kind of another one of those guys out there that let's assume he is playing.

Speaker 2 Do you think there's one spot or a couple spots that line up perfectly for him? And do you think that maybe teens will consider almost a package deal with Devontae now?

Speaker 2 He's a free agent, that they might be able to poach him as well if they were to sign Rodgers.

Speaker 7 I think there's three spots that make sense for me and Aaron Rodgers, the Giants, the Steelers, and the Titans.

Speaker 7 I'll start with the Titans. One,

Speaker 7 if they're for some reason, adamant that they're not going to take Cam Ward, I don't think they should do that. I think they should take Cam Ward.

Speaker 7 But if they decide we're not taking Cam Ward and we're going to trade onto the number one pick or something like that, the reality is this, there is a little, and I love Callahan, their head coach.

Speaker 7 I know Brian, he's going to have to win and he's going to have to have a quarterback play relatively well this season. That's he was hired for that.
And so that's the reality of their business.

Speaker 7 And so, you know, if they decide maybe it's Will Levis and Aaron competing against each other for that job, I can understand that one. The second one would be the Giants.
I said this yesterday.

Speaker 7 Let's live in the world where

Speaker 7 Cam Ward goes number one to Tennessee and then Cleveland takes Travis Hunter.

Speaker 7 If I think if Cam Ward goes number one to Tennessee, Cleveland should sprint to the podium for Travis Hunter at number two. So then the Giants at three.
Are you taking Shadour at three?

Speaker 7 I think Shador's a good player. I do.
Three feels high. Okay.
That's just my opinion right now. We'll see if that changes over the next couple of weeks.
I don't think it will.

Speaker 7 So then if you're the Giants, do you say, nope, we're going to go get, I don't know, maybe they trade down or something like that, or whoever they pick at three.

Speaker 7 Again, if Travis Hunter was there, you run to the podium. But then you go, well,

Speaker 7 let's take a player at three or trade down at three. And then in the second round, or maybe they go back into the first, is it Jackson Dart or is it Jalen Milro?

Speaker 7 I don't think Jackson Dart gets past the 20th pick, in my opinion. So

Speaker 7 I think you're going to have to go past the Pittsburgh. So if you're the Giants, I think you'll have to go back to the first round.
If you don't, remember, Brian Dable has ties to Nick Sabin.

Speaker 7 You guys have obviously, and Pat, you on game day have heard Nick Saban talk about Millrow. And I know he's flawed.

Speaker 7 I'm aware that he is flawed, but my goodness, there is a ton of talent physically there. And you're then going, Dable and Shane, they got a win by November.

Speaker 7 And so can you sign Aaron for a brief period of time? He's your starting quarterback. He keeps you afloat.

Speaker 7 And then if things are okay or you want to change or Millroad's ready or something like that, then you have the next guy to go to.

Speaker 7 And then if it's Pittsburgh and Justin and Russell don't go back there,

Speaker 7 I still think they need to add a young kid, but Aaron would make sense. Yes.

Speaker 1 Aaron,

Speaker 1 what a fascinating dilemma. AJ, what do you think he plays again, right? It's not like he's just going to retire.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I have a hard time seeing him just turn it off and stop playing.

Speaker 1 Why do you think that is? Every year that this has come up, you've given like basically a a similar answer and I forget it. So I apologize.
He's at the end of his career. He's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 He's the wealthiest NFL player in the history of anything. He gets everything he does gets, I mean, absolutely crucified.
Like, do you think there's any chance that he just says, all right, that's it?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, I think there's, I think everything's on the table with Aaron. You know that.

Speaker 11 Like, we don't know exactly what he, I'm sure, I don't know if he knows exactly what he's going to do, but I just.

Speaker 11 You know, being around him, how competitive he is, how well he can, how well he played at the end of the season. Yeah, I have a hard time believing that he's just going to hang it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's the thing from my conversations with him. And we've been very lucky to be friends with Aaron Rodgers over the last five years.

Speaker 1 And we don't hang out with him nearly as much or talk to him nearly as much as AJ or anybody that played alongside of him and his teammates and everything like that.

Speaker 1 But it's like, everybody kind of talks about, you know, no kids, no family. This dude focused on ball.
Everything he does is Ford ball. Like, and you talk about why do you love the NFL?

Speaker 1 And it's like, I love the NFL because it is my outlet to scratch the itch of my competitive urge. Like he loves competition.

Speaker 1 And it's like, if you're that good, still able to be that committed, and another team is like, hey, we know it didn't go right with the Jets, but we think we have the right situation for you.

Speaker 1 I see him playing ball game. I can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 7 I mean, I did too. What's his relationship with Tom like?

Speaker 1 Good. Tom Brady? Brady.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 7 my mind goes to end of Tom's career, Tampa. The overwhelming, obvious thing was how good the offensive line was and then their success.
He got beat up in New York.

Speaker 7 So I would imagine he wants to go to a place that that is going to not be a concern. Like he's got to get tired of getting hit.

Speaker 7 He got healthy to AJ's point after the, I don't know, November, and he started to play better because he was getting hit less. So I, you know, the Raiders got two really good young offensive linemen.

Speaker 7 I would also entertain like if they're able to

Speaker 7 three, Colton Miller is still good. So if they can get an offensive line piece in free agency, maybe that becomes also a destination.

Speaker 7 I don't know what his and tom's relationship is like uh but i would imagine the number one thing is i gotta be i gotta be protected like i don't want to get hit anymore didn't they play catch during that golf thing yeah right haven't talked you would know more than us aj

Speaker 1 oh and they did like their version of the match yeah they seem to get along i think they get along great i think there's a couple of those dudes that are that can only have conversations with a couple of those dudes you know yeah i think that is like peyton and tom get along vastly different people i think if you the way they go about doing everything but they get along well.

Speaker 1 Aaron, vastly different than both of those guys, but I assume that there is a, you know, like, hey, we are, uh, we get it here. You know, the air a little bit different.

Speaker 1 Our conversations a little bit different. Hey, have you seen every single defense over the last 30 years? Yeah, me too.
Okay. Have you beat every single dude? Yeah.
Oh, me too.

Speaker 1 Whenever you see this, what is this? Tom Breddie being as hands-on as he is with the Raiders,

Speaker 1 that was an eye-opener for me. You know, like, I think the quarterback's going to be in a good spot.
Let's say they don't go with veteran quarterback, though.

Speaker 1 Let's say they go with a young quarterback. Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Daniel, you just mentioned it a little bit there, and I assume you've looked at some of the tape at this point. What are your thoughts on this year's QB draft class?

Speaker 2 And also, you had a tweet about Cam Ward where you basically said, like, his tape wasn't as expected. Was that in a negative or a positive context?

Speaker 7 Yeah, big-time positive context. After I've watched basically every snap, maybe a game or two still of Cam's.
So for me, Cam Ward reminds me a lot lot of Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 7 What I mean by that is there is a loose element to his game, but a twitchy element to his game where that ball comes out. Like once his eyes tell him throw, it happens fast.

Speaker 7 And that's a trait that I love in quarterback play. Like that was the thing with Jaden Daniels is how quick he played.

Speaker 7 The thing that I was referencing in that tweet, and you guys are going to show like these plays happen, like the runaround plays.

Speaker 7 The thing that got me so much more excited about Cam Ward and made me really appreciate how good of a player he is is what he does from the pocket in timing. You know, his, that throw was awesome.

Speaker 7 And so I wasn't expecting that, Ty. Like, I wasn't expecting this guy that from the pocket was so much more in rhythm, in timing, in with his feet.
And the, I mean, those throws are awesome. And so

Speaker 7 when I watch him throw over the middle field and the different types of throws and his, the, the windows that he sees, and when that back right foot hits, that ball pops out of his hand.

Speaker 7 Like the playmaking is there.

Speaker 7 And so that's like, for me why i'm if i'm tennessee and i remember i said this years ago when since he was on the number one pick with joe like that there this is what he does as good as gosh guys that have come out early in this draft over the past couple years that back right foot hits man and he puts that ball in between the numbers so clean sometimes there's a little touch sometimes it's driven and so the way he's married his feet with some of the throws i love um and the playmaking is there so um

Speaker 7 i like that he measured 6'2 Like my only two downsides, Ty, would be this. My only two, I guess, hesitations.

Speaker 7 I'll go back to the story about Joe when I was like, if Cincinnati, I don't care what the trade offer is, you're taking Joe Burrow.

Speaker 7 I don't care if someone offers you three first-round picks, you are not moving off of it.

Speaker 7 I'm not that close to where I was in regards to that situation, but I don't think Tennessee should move off number one, okay?

Speaker 7 I think the two hesitations are, I don't want to call them concerns, but the things, he's 6'2. I would love for him to be 6'4.
Yes, he's 6'2.

Speaker 7 Okay, so it's not a major problem, but and then he will make you hold your breath at times. Um, there are some moments where you're like, What are you gonna do here?

Speaker 7 And then more often than not, it works out well in college. I don't know if it held consistently with in the NFL, but I think he's the clear, clear, clear, clear.
For me, clear number one pick.

Speaker 1 Everybody has to hold their breath around other teams when Cam's playing because they stinky, dog. Oh,

Speaker 1 they stinky. They stinky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that wasn't it. That's what that means.
What the hell was that, dude? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What'd you just do?

Speaker 7 That's what this means?

Speaker 1 Don't be throwing your heart out.

Speaker 1 Don't be throwing your heart out. He's not an elephant, dad.
Jeez.

Speaker 1 Anyways,

Speaker 1 you talk about him being on time and everything like that, 6'2 and all that good stuff for Cam Warden. His arm strength is obviously very much alive.

Speaker 1 And, you know, you watch clips of him working out, love everything he's about.

Speaker 1 What Crystal Ball says about what he did to that culture down there, just getting dropped in, flipping it, and just becoming a great culture all of a sudden out of nowhere, they give him a lot of credit for being able to rally, motivate, and unify.

Speaker 1 So, all the good qualities of a quarter.

Speaker 7 And he comes from an athletic family too. Like, you know, his, I think, cousin or uncle is Quandre Diggs, whose brother is Quinton Jammer.

Speaker 7 So, and I texted Quandre about him, like, tell me what kind of human he is. And Quandre's like, he's as much of a dog as I've ever been around.

Speaker 7 Like, and he's an unbelievable leader, super hard worker. And he was like, honestly, the fact that he's in this position blows my mind.
Because

Speaker 7 Quandre's going to be mad that I said this. He's like, he's a kid.
He sucked.

Speaker 2 So he's

Speaker 1 ended up at, I mean, yeah, he carnett Ward. He carnett ward to Washington State to Miami to potential number one overall pick.
It's like. Got to work your ass off for that.

Speaker 1 That would make sense to be a dog if that was the trip that you had to take. Tone has a question for you, Dan.
Oh.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Dan. We learned last week that when Chris Ballard talked that they are going to have an open competition with Anthony Richardson for their starting starting quarterback.

Speaker 5 Who do you think that quarterback should be? You think that's a good sign for the number four overall pick third year coming in?

Speaker 7 That was kind of a good sign for Anthony.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we know.

Speaker 1 That was kind of a loaded question in the end.

Speaker 7 It's not surprising. I think there's a lot of people on the table that aren't going to be able to spend a ton of money on guys.

Speaker 1 You know, Daniel Jones obviously comes to mind because he might be cheap. Yep.

Speaker 1 How are you doing, guys?

Speaker 7 Sam's not going to go there. Aaron, maybe, you know, again, for a place that you feel needs some leadership and needs some, we got to go win.
Uh, you know, I could see Aaron, um, Jameis.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 Jameis more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Fields. Jameis, hey, Jameis comes in.
That might be exactly what yeah, I like the Justin one.

Speaker 7 I like Justin in New York with the Jets a little bit better. Um,

Speaker 7 because, I mean, if you're indie, you want someone there, obviously, like you want someone there to push Anthony, but you want Anthony to be the guy. So, you know, Justin is still such an unknown.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 7 I think Justin will have better opportunity for

Speaker 1 a little bit of

Speaker 3 starting to be a good thing.

Speaker 1 We know who's who. We know who's what, don't we?

Speaker 1 A lot of things kind of already been decided. You know, we're looking for dogs, need dogs, need more dogs.
Would love dogs. I wish we could transfer portal our team.

Speaker 1 Just get a new one.

Speaker 7 Still there, huh?

Speaker 1 Huh? After combine. Still there.
I've heard more.

Speaker 2 You have no idea, dad.

Speaker 1 I've I've heard more. It's like,

Speaker 1 I don't know how they become professionals, but hopefully they will, you know, for the good of the name.

Speaker 7 I was in buildings like that. We usually lost every game when we were like that.

Speaker 2 It's going to be different this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got too much talent. That's the issue, though.
So much talent.

Speaker 11 Damn, you had guys like showing up late and not just not. you know, do stuff that you should do when you're in third grade, like just the basics they weren't doing.
Bingo, yeah, just

Speaker 7 the simplest stuff. Like, dude, I remember we had guys that would come out to practice with sneakers on.
We were on grass now. Sneakers, not turf shoes, not cleats, sneakers, not tied.

Speaker 7 So loose sneakers, just shorts on, not even like a girdle or anything, and just a practice jersey with helmet unbuckled.

Speaker 7 They would run a rep in practice, probably do something pretty impressive because they were athletically talented.

Speaker 7 They would take the ball, throw it back to the coach, and then walk back to the huddle, take the next six or seven plays off.

Speaker 1 Give me a water, bitch.

Speaker 1 Sounds like one guy. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Dude, I remember we had guys not even like, you know, in the season, you'd have a day or two where you got to get like your mandatory lift in pre- or post-practice or something.

Speaker 7 We'd have guys go into the weight room and not touch a weight. Just never just stand there and not lift.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 There's these little losing culture things that happen. And, you know, you don't even think about it.
You don't even think about it. Like going into a workout.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're a fucking professional athlete

Speaker 1 and just taking laps around, not lifting a weight, and then you're out of there. You just fucking fucking around.

Speaker 7 You just fucked the team.

Speaker 1 You did not get better at all. You're getting paid to be a football player.
This weight room will make you a better football player. But instead, say, nah,

Speaker 1 not doing it. And I'm not saying I've seen anybody take that particular tactic, but it's all those little things that are like the professional things.

Speaker 1 You know, they say the little things lead to the big things. Take care of the little things.
The big things will take care of themselves.

Speaker 1 And it's like those little things are what make you a professional. Like, that's what makes you a professional in this whole thing.
And it's like, I don't think it's just the Colts.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's alarming how much it seemingly is the Colts, but there is, and they can stop it and they'll change it next year. But I think it's happening in a lot of places, Dan.

Speaker 1 I think it's happening in a lot of places, a lot more than it's ever been, obviously.

Speaker 2 Nick Daniel talked about it with the fines in Miami.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can find guys.

Speaker 7 I wonder if it's

Speaker 7 an NIL thing, like these guys are coming in with a little bit more money in their pockets.

Speaker 1 Name, name, name, name, name, image, likeness.

Speaker 1 There is a chance that,

Speaker 1 yeah, there isn't a feeling of, oh, I i can get cut you know or oh i'm lucky to be here instead it's complete opposite these motherfuckers are lucky i'm here yeah

Speaker 7 yeah i was always scared yes to death yeah yeah like if i made one mistake i'm like all right i'm gonna get fired even in like my seventh year i was like yeah if i uh if i don't do it i'm gonna get fired so yeah that's always a nice thing adam veneteri thought if he missed a kick in practice he was gonna get cut

Speaker 1 it was at the point where he didn't kick he was trying yeah you're right if you did miss a kick in practice you probably weren't cut if I had to guess. All right, Dana, this is it.
Last chance.

Speaker 1 You make this 33-yard field, bro. Go ahead.
Yeah, you can keep your job.

Speaker 1 But has been.

Speaker 7 Hey, true story. You remember Matt Prater?

Speaker 1 Yes. No.

Speaker 7 Yeah, great kicker. So there got to a point, I don't know how it happened later in my career.

Speaker 1 He knew Prayer is what Connor just said. Yeah,

Speaker 7 I got some Prater stories now.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 7 And we related my career, and something happened where I had to hold. I had to become the holder.
And was, Sam Martin was holding for us.

Speaker 7 I don't know what happened or, but I had to like get reps in practice and holding.

Speaker 7 And I was terrible at it.

Speaker 7 And I remember constantly Prater would, I'd get the snap, put it down, miss the kick, and Prater would just mother F me under his breath because then he started to like get the shanks and all that.

Speaker 7 He was like, I'm going to get fired from this guy's ruining my timing.

Speaker 1 This guy's obviously terrible at his job. Not easy to hold, but you change that timing up just a little bit.
It's so hard.

Speaker 3 It's game seven.

Speaker 1 I want want a D-But to be like my holder, you know. I want a D-Butt to be my hoarder because I was backup kicker in practice.

Speaker 1 And if I was, if something was to happen to Vinny, which could happen because he was getting older, even though I never did because he's a machine,

Speaker 1 he's absolutely a beast. 25 years in the biz doing his thing, whatever the case is.
But like, they want, I want a D-But to be the hoarder. I'm like, D-Butt, smoothest athlete I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 I think that'll be the

Speaker 1 easy choice. This fucking guy sucks.

Speaker 1 He was terrible. He's terrible.

Speaker 1 He was terrible. The laces laces are on the snapper.

Speaker 1 The laces are on the snapper.

Speaker 3 He's on the snapper. I just had an easy job.
Boop, poop.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you just went with a wrong ball.

Speaker 7 The crazy thing about snapping was

Speaker 7 you lean, you lean the ball towards the goalpost. Is that accurate?

Speaker 1 Yeah, in a way. Depends on the kicker.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. Yeah.
That's a good call, actually, by D. Butch.
Not everybody wants the ball leaning towards the goalpost. Someone is straight up and down.
Nobody wants it leaning back. Everybody wants.

Speaker 1 That would be in a lean.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's why you're not, you know, and hopefully that holds you accountable. Hopefully they hold you accountable.
Good luck.

Speaker 1 Holder can miss a kick for the kicker, though, easily. Just

Speaker 1 like, let's say Holder hated the kicker, just fucking, just like that. It's fucking miss.
Say, hey, good luck.

Speaker 1 Good luck. Is that you? How could you do that? You lean it towards the kicker.
You lean the ball towards the kicker at all, and it's a soccer-style kicker, which everybody is. Fucked.

Speaker 1 If that's anything over 30 yards, that thing's hooked into the left. It's just like, nobody talks about it.

Speaker 1 And after watching these punt, this punting workout at the Combine, where nobody could catch a football, and then like these holds were like

Speaker 1 really slow, like very, very slow, which is my message to the punters. Like,

Speaker 1 you guys punt so well. Like, these dudes are so good at punting footballs.
They just got to get comfortable catching a football, you know, because it's a little different sport.

Speaker 1 They're used to punting the ball, like, whether it's Ozzy Rose football.

Speaker 1 It's coming up from the top, catching up there, a dart coming right at you, or something coming right at you is a different style. They can certainly learn how to do that, but not everybody does.

Speaker 1 But like, for the holding how quickly you get it onto the ground this is D-But's problem D-But had too good a hands you know so that ball comes in it's strong enough to shock to and it's the ball slow as shit down to the ground so by the time the time comes to kick it it's like balls down and you're kicking so you have no idea what it is so like the goal is to have good hands but not too good and just a fucking boom that ball is trying to get down on the ground as fast as it possibly can so that vinatari has as much time to see his target that he's trying to hit and then let's not move that fucking thing either if the ball is moving while he kicks it, miss.

Speaker 1 If it's leaning towards... And am I right?

Speaker 7 The great snappers, the great snappers just snap the ball basically, so you just have to go like this.

Speaker 1 That's what they're judged on.

Speaker 7 And the laces, the laces are 99 out of 100 times already pointing at the goalpost.

Speaker 1 That's what you're aiming for.

Speaker 1 The goal is for the laces to be from like 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock. If you look at a clock, okay? 9 to 3, so then it's just like a little touch, a little easy portrayal.

Speaker 1 but that is what the long snappers are being judged for there's only 32 jobs so if you can't snap laces and you can't hit a button your ass is gone and it's like i started talking about those kids become a great long snapper who

Speaker 7 tannen bombs really

Speaker 1 like he said out of the blue he said the kid never even like played football and then like in the last year he started a long snap i think he's going to like michigan for long snapping that's awesome that's a good that's a good angle to get in there too especially if you're good you got to be consistent i assume he will be i'm surprised tannenbaum didn't try to trade him for like a starting quarterback or something.

Speaker 1 A long snapper for two starting quarterbacks and a one. That's a Tannenbaum pitch draft proposal.

Speaker 1 He's awesome.

Speaker 1 I don't know where this comes from, but we'll turn on the TV. Tannenbaum is trading two quarterbacks, a defensive end for four picks, and three teams are involved that say they are not doing anything.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the Rams were taking on Sean Watson's contract.

Speaker 1 How about that? Let's need to eat the contract for the Cleveland Browns and you get Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 It's like, he's been in those rooms, so he obviously knows the fantasy camp, I guess, that takes place with these trades. But some of the things he puts up there, I'm like, who the fuck? They're real.

Speaker 1 Who the fuck? They're unreal. What's that?

Speaker 7 They're unreal. Like yesterday when he said, trade Michael Parsons for Miles Garrett, I was like, Why not just pay Michael Parsons?

Speaker 1 Shut up, Dan. That's not how it works.
But I appreciate that he does it. It gives us all fodder.
He's the best. He gives us fodder.

Speaker 1 And the 33rd team, I believe, is becoming like a full-on consulting firm, you know? Oh, nice. Good for them.
Good for everything they got operating.

Speaker 1 And Dano, last question here from Debutch, and it's about the current NFL. So let's get it right, please.

Speaker 3 And of course, Dan Will. I saw you mention, we were talking about Hashon McVeigh on yesterday, Stafford going back to the Rams.
Obviously, a huge deal.

Speaker 3 I still got Philly clear-cut as the best team in the NFC. I know we're pre-free agency, pre-draft, but standing as is right now, who is kind of nipping at their heels right now?

Speaker 3 Is it the Commies, the Rams, Lions, healthy? Who you got in the NFC right behind Philly? Or do you have someone coming in above Philly next year?

Speaker 7 No, I think Philly's still the number one team roster-wise. And I would put the Rams at two.
Obviously, a lot can change free agency draft.

Speaker 7 I go back to the regular season saying, hey, that's the team that they don't want to play.

Speaker 7 And I remember Darius Slay last week or two weeks ago said that that was the team in their mind that they knew could beat them. Like they knew because of the style of the ball in Stafford.

Speaker 7 so i would put the rams at two listen detroit is outstanding but i want to see what it looks like with without ben johnson there offensively it's still a great talent offensively i just don't know a ton about their new offensive coordinator john morton so you know detroit there i think green bay is still very much so just right there as well i think everyone puts the commanders there i'm not as high on that as i think the commanders and i said this yesterday de butt you guys know it

Speaker 7 Laud them, praise them. Congrats.
Awesome year. You won five games on the last play.
That's not real in the NFL. You win three of those and

Speaker 7 that's not that real.

Speaker 7 And so while you give them praise for that, I also think they can't fall into the trap that maybe like the Giants did a couple years ago in Dable's first year when they somehow stumbled into the playoffs and they're like, oh, maybe we're closer than we thought we were.

Speaker 7 And then you make some decisions because you think maybe we're this move away or that move away.

Speaker 7 and I think the commanders have to have a mindset of you know what we're still building and we're still trying to chase down some of those teams to get into that upper grouping rather than there are some teams that you go we're a move away they we're we're a guy away and I don't put command I don't put the commanders in there just yet I still think I want to see what their makeup is post-free agency and draft let's not get too comfortable here yeah you got a lot of sacks but you also didn't get blocked for a bunch of times so let's uh let's know that we can continue to get better here if you're the commanders you got to feel good especially bringing in Debo.

Speaker 1 I saw you love that move. I saw you love that move.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no team throws more screens, perimeter screens, than Washington.

Speaker 7 So like if there's a guy in the NFL that you want to get the ball to in his hands and just you go do something with it, it's Debo.

Speaker 7 Was it the player that he's been in the past last year? There's a lot of reasons for that. San Francisco's offensive line, pass protection is not what it was in years ago.

Speaker 7 And the injury, so I still, and the versatility, like they love, you know, like pace and space. Their offense runs no huddle.

Speaker 7 So you could put a bunch of different people on the field and then the defense is scrambling you could put him at the backfield and so uh they love to run two backs you can certainly utilize him in that capacity so if he's anything what he was in that three or four year stretch it's a home run for washington we're looking for some pace and space

Speaker 7 pace and space

Speaker 1 we're looking for some pace and race to win the races wait wait wait Is that your coaching philosophy? Did you dive into that because potentially going to be coaching this year?

Speaker 1 You know, with all your media stuff happening, I got two appearances next week. And then

Speaker 1 two appearances two weeks after that. Everybody see me again.
And then I haven't really checked, but I got one appearance after that. What are you doing for the draft, Dan? See ya.

Speaker 1 What are you doing for the draft, Dan?

Speaker 7 I think we'll be there. I think we would be out in Green Bay.

Speaker 4 Must be my guess.

Speaker 1 That must be nice. We won't be because the NFL doesn't want us there.

Speaker 5 What?

Speaker 5 You heard.

Speaker 2 If you saw the picture, Dan, you should have seen.

Speaker 7 No, I heard yesterday when you guys were making fun of Debet for wearing a fake golf course hat, so I heard.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 She's still wearing wearing it.

Speaker 1 Compton Country Club. You would think that.

Speaker 3 I know where you stand now, Dan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, interesting that Dan Minoski would take a shot at the Compton Country Club.

Speaker 1 Never would have guessed that. That makes sense.
Never would have guessed that, huh? Connecticut? I can't be real.

Speaker 7 He butt, are you a member?

Speaker 3 It's too far, Dan.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 Well, it doesn't mean it's not real.

Speaker 7 I saw the golf swing on Instagram recently. It's coming along.
It's good. I wish I played as much golf as you, dude.
It's coming as long.

Speaker 1 You just took six weeks off. Yeah, have you stopped? What's the low number?

Speaker 3 Of course. Low number is 82.

Speaker 3 Best game ever.

Speaker 1 Good play. Good play.
How about you?

Speaker 1 Well done. What's your low play, Dan?

Speaker 7 Oh, I haven't played golf in forever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but in your history, you obviously have a fucking low score.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think it's probably somewhere around. I honestly don't know.
I remember you lied.

Speaker 1 Remember that scorecard?

Speaker 3 Damn it. He lied.

Speaker 7 I literally told the truth.

Speaker 1 No, you lied. You had it wrong.

Speaker 1 Anytime you see

Speaker 1 on a scorecard you know the deal three

Speaker 7 i might be coming down to deep butts neck of the woods cup in yeah de butts neck of the woods in a couple weeks for some golf streams now they're vacation

Speaker 1 florida

Speaker 7 florida maybe a little tgl de button oh

Speaker 3 you guys you've been down there i have not i have not it's getting less playoffs you got a couple teams yeah a couple teams punched their playoff tickets what yeah you guys might be out on it i know fox is a full tgl mark right now but I'm in.

Speaker 3 It's got me.

Speaker 1 I like it. I'll watch the clips for sure.

Speaker 1 It's hard to keep up with when it's going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I trust it. It's on tonight's.

Speaker 1 Tonight's got a lot on. Tonight, there's a lot on.

Speaker 5 They've been playing in like the middle of the afternoon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they played at three o'clock today.

Speaker 2 Daynight doubleheader yesterday.

Speaker 1 There's a lot on the side. Wait, Foxy, you went to Hawaii, right? Yes, sir.
I was on the same island as you, Dano.

Speaker 1 I think there's a chance that Justin Trudeau just did me. There's a lot going on.

Speaker 2 You got Transylvania.

Speaker 1 Hotel Transylvania. You ever see that, Dano? You got 10 kids?

Speaker 7 There's four of them. They're all good.

Speaker 1 Of the kids or the Transylvania?

Speaker 7 There's four Hotel Transylvanians. They're all good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. It's Adam Sandler's best work.
Whoa, whoa, Hubie.

Speaker 1 That's extreme.

Speaker 1 Hubie Halloween. You're right.
You're right. You're right.
He's done some great.

Speaker 7 He doesn't have any bad ones, really.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Thank you.
I'm happy you're on that side. Dano gets it right every once in a while.
We can't wait to see you the next time you're on TV because we know those days are passing by.

Speaker 1 Like the sound of an hourglass. Let's enjoy every last drop of Dan Roloffsky, baby.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Dan.

Speaker 1 I'm good in Donnie, your neck of the woods. It's a golf.
Don't fucking call me.

Speaker 1 Compton Country Club? That's not real. That's not real.

Speaker 5 I texted D-But to hang out when I was in Lottie. Dottie told me to go fuck myself.

Speaker 3 Really?

Speaker 1 Funny enough, I texted D-But to hang out when I was in Miami. And he also said, yeah, maybe next year, pals.
Not real. Wow, racism a little bit.

Speaker 1 A little weird. Is it because they're white? No.

Speaker 3 Miami's far, number one. And missed my babies.
I was home. Everybody had me, you know, picking up, dropping off, practice, training.

Speaker 1 Volleyball.

Speaker 3 Golf after dropping off.

Speaker 5 Did you get a pedicure I saw?

Speaker 1 Those are awesome, buddy. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Every time I take them, I sneak in there again.

Speaker 3 And the ladies look at me like, can't?

Speaker 5 Dude, they're so nice.

Speaker 2 I got a pedicure of my mother. It was the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 1 I tried my best. I've done two of them.
They hurt so bad. They hurt? Yeah, uncomfortable.
I don't like any of it.

Speaker 2 That's a bad, you got a bad technique.

Speaker 1 No, I've gone to like four different places, you know, because the wife goes to a spot and they should go to another spot and then somebody be like let's go pedicure i think vinitari took me for a pedicure one time because she was like we gotta take care of her feet i got here never been more uncomfortable what they're like ah don't touch my feet i don't like any you know when they're doing that

Speaker 1 it feels like they're actually sawing my toe off i'm like get me out of here get me i don't like it i don't like it you want the you want the calf yeah that was the only thing that felt good was when they weren't touching my feet you get the hot coals i think they had a hot uh bag of wax or something like that oh yeah a bag of wax that was pretty cool cool.

Speaker 1 The rocks. When they weren't touching my feet, it was great.
Everything other than when they were touching my feet. Sure, it's a big part.
It was cool. It was cool.
It was cool to be a part of.

Speaker 1 Miami's so far. It is.
I don't know how you were traveling down there and back so much. You still are.

Speaker 1 That place is so far away.

Speaker 4 The traffic in Miami, I experienced it for the first time.

Speaker 1 Ridiculous. Bananas.

Speaker 3 Gump also came back in our first car. He's like.
Snow-weighted dolphins. Dolphins.

Speaker 4 I spent five days in Miami. Dolphins got no shot of winning football.

Speaker 1 A lot of distractions.

Speaker 1 No way, man.

Speaker 1 A lot of distractions.

Speaker 1 God rest his soul, Vante Davis,

Speaker 1 when he got traded to the Colts, was awesome. Obviously, the moment God called my grandma.
And then he comes to the Colts, and we had just seen that as well.

Speaker 1 So we had no idea what to expect. Then he get a chance to start talking to Vanta and everything.
And he talks about how Indianapolis saved him. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Being in Miami was, hey, there was a lot going on. A lot of options.
A lot of options.

Speaker 1 And I'd hear these stories from him, whether we were in a training room or in one of the tubs, you know, kind of in there just passing time, trying not to be as miserable.

Speaker 1 And I just thought to myself every time,

Speaker 1 real happy Pat MacFee never got sent down to Miami at that age, at that time. A lot of opportunity, lot of opportunity down there.
Everything is easy to garner down there, and it's...

Speaker 1 readily available from what I've been told. And after your guys just tripped down there and after you watch what happens with these Dolphins teams, it's like money,

Speaker 1 opportunity, warm weather all the time. And just like when you're staying in a hotel in a casino, okay?

Speaker 1 You know, the casino floor, you're, let's say, 10 floors above it or whatever, it's calling, you can hear it actually through the things going,

Speaker 1 a million dollars

Speaker 1 is down here. And you're laying in your bed, you can't sleep.
It's like, I'm going to go down to a casino.

Speaker 1 At the Miami Dolphins, you have the beach, all their bars, all their adult ballet slash bars, all their other things just calling at all times. Hey, just one drink.
Just come do one drink.

Speaker 1 And then, bang, that's at like five o'clock. And one thing leads to another.
You're on vacation for your entire life and you're a professional football player.

Speaker 1 For them to win, they're going to have to get the right people down there. That's going to be easy.

Speaker 1 You're going to need married, old people that are worried about hangovers. Like the golf.
Yes. Come down to the bottom.
Golf, yes.

Speaker 1 Retirement. Yeah, yeah.
Community type. Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 2 Yeah. See? Just like him.

Speaker 1 He almost won for 2,000 yards down there. Good for him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good for him. I almost went for

Speaker 3 two of them plenty.

Speaker 1 Comps, you picking another team? Never mind. No, no, I am finished over the day I die, bro.
No chance of them winning, but.

Speaker 4 But hey, I've done it my whole life. If there's ever a point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but now there's a new piece of information.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but yeah, but think about if they win a Super Bowl and I turned, I could never sleep at night. You think you're safe.

Speaker 1 I used to be playing chess on a board with

Speaker 1 no squares.

Speaker 1 What's that? Did you see that? I think there was little lines on it. Okay.
Yeah. But did you see the tweet, though? I did.
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 I believe it was from the Trump family posted it too. It was posted.

Speaker 5 Oh, that was the original tweet, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But the quote tweet.
Yeah, I saw a lot of quote. Yeah, the quote tweet, I believe.
And there was many others that took

Speaker 1 their shots in it. And that's the internet welcome to football.

Speaker 1 That sounds good. But I think there was little lines because I was very flabbergasted.
I zoomed what was going on. I think there was like little tiny lines.

Speaker 1 I'm like, wow, you got to be really good at it.

Speaker 2 What's up with the pieces?

Speaker 1 That's my question. Oh, there are.
Yeah, you've done it.

Speaker 5 You can see from that. Is that a different angle?

Speaker 1 I think you zoom in. There's like little tiny...
You see like little lines there? Apparently.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can see the dots of like where the corners are.

Speaker 2 It's still not a good chess board.

Speaker 3 No, it's not terrible.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. You got to be really good at chess to be on a board that isn't an actual board.
Without a doubt.

Speaker 4 That's why Tu was playing.

Speaker 1 Well, Tu is a chess player. Always has been, always will be.

Speaker 1 Show me my money. Give me my money.
I think the season started.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 4 Arrested on the way to the first game of the season at home. Like, we never had a shot last year, dude.

Speaker 1 You know what next year's the year goes you're right

Speaker 4 got no money to spend but we're gonna give her all we got kind of money spend in miami's awake

Speaker 1 always there you go that traffic is crazy though we're not supposed to have that many people down there huh as soon as you it's one it goes like four different highways it's like you get there you can be three miles from your spot it's gonna take you an hour yeah 40 at least it is so annoying you just walk right that's what you did uh no we couldn't like you had to get on the highway to get around to some spots.

Speaker 2 But yeah, once you get to your first location, you can walk to the other locations, but it's legitimately impossible to not take an Uber at least once a day.

Speaker 1 These flying cars need to pick it up.

Speaker 3 Don't you think? For sure.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 2 I don't know if we're ever going to be able to use those, but.

Speaker 1 Well, I've seen a lot of memes and videos.

Speaker 1 Little flying drones we're talking about.

Speaker 11 Like the little drone where you can sit in, like one or two people, it'll take you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or hang on like you're Tom Cruise.

Speaker 11 Yeah. I mean, that'd be sweet too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you better have have some good grip strength yeah we we would obviously you could latch in like david boy

Speaker 1 i got a car the balloon choppers in them when i sent you yeah yeah boom bang

Speaker 1 chopper in the trunk and then i saw one car that just was car build

Speaker 1 had drones on like basically all four sides at the bottom

Speaker 1 and they it went up and over some traffic i think but you never know what's animated ai

Speaker 2 and those people who can drive cars can definitely drive planes.

Speaker 1 I think you would probably have to prove some sort of ability to be in the sky.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, we got Mitt up there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people will do that.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Mitt's ever going to be in a good car.

Speaker 2 You want to get close to the monument? Do you want to be in the skies?

Speaker 1 Here it is right here, actually going over a car. That's what we're looking for right there.
Well,

Speaker 1 that one

Speaker 1 company releases first flying car.

Speaker 1 Look at it. You can see it.
It's taken off. There's a human in there.

Speaker 1 That's real. This is our life.

Speaker 5 So what situation is this used in?

Speaker 1 I'm in Miami. I just got downtown.
I'm three miles away. They said it's going to take an hour.
And I say, you know what? Me and my A-life aeronautics are fucking going up and down right to

Speaker 1 whatever place the boys stop by.

Speaker 2 If you're driving on a highway and the tree fell down and you had to get across.

Speaker 1 That is Ace. You allie.
Yeah, you're doing it all. You're a bunny hop, basically.
Or if the roads are snowy. Okay.
Okay, you're going to have to come down. This is real video.
It's in my front room.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Bingo.

Speaker 2 Keep dreaming, boys.

Speaker 1 What about parallel parking? No more.

Speaker 1 Fuck it up, and I'm done.

Speaker 1 Pick it up, pull it down. That's what I'm doing, which is true.
Look at that. Smooth landing.
Much smoother than something we've seen. Yeah, I can go over.
I can move up 12 feet. Oh, look.

Speaker 1 Oh, look. Oh, looky, looky.
There's an 18-wheeler down. Well, that sucks for everybody but who? You.
Look at that. So real.
Being the coolest guy.

Speaker 1 Cops are on the other side saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're stopping traffic on the ground. Okay.
I'm in the fucking sky dude altitude 13 feet i'm out of here

Speaker 1 that's future we're lucky to be a part of it hopefully that's the future that's the future all right let's get to a break we'll be back tomorrow pretty big show today that's awesome

Speaker 1 broke some news insider thought that news was coming last week it's all and uh glad they reported did everyone record it properly well so

Speaker 1 properly chefty actually got the tweet out about half minute for us because we did the video then the tweet now granted we talked about it on the show before chefter got the tweet out.

Speaker 2 Perked his ears up.

Speaker 1 So, no, no. We did the break on show.
Oh, and then he. Before his tweet goes up.

Speaker 1 Our tweet goes out one minute out with video that had to be ripped and placed on the thing. So technically, our show broke news.
But on the Twitter world, Shefty got us by 30 seconds. Got a bitch.

Speaker 1 I saw rap gave us credit. Yeah, because I think we did break the news.

Speaker 4 I should have done no video and then added video. Maybe next time.

Speaker 1 Gumpy,

Speaker 1 what you do with our accounts while we're live is nothing short of remarkable. Don't you second-guess yourself.

Speaker 1 You did the right thing. You did the right thing.
Because we got to give proper context with the release.

Speaker 1 But the ripping of the video, placing of the video, uploading said video, then tweeting video is certainly the time that it took to potentially get one-minute by Schefter.

Speaker 1 But program broke news first. Boom, definitely.
We stand on that. That's what counts.
So maybe proper credit.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Are we doing journalism? Also, how about this? There was a story that was supposed to be matter-of-facted last week while we were at the Combine.

Speaker 1 Bill Belichick and UNC, they're doing this season's off-season hard knocks. Congratulations to them.
Everybody just fucking, yeah,

Speaker 1 just reported like this is happening. Literally, just, yeah, this is happening.
They're doing it. We're going to get an inside look at Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 People then started saying after every NFL team said no, they had to go to college. And they go to Bill Belichick, the greatest NFL coach of all time, as he's trying to build the future.

Speaker 1 Like full reports were happening that this is taking place. Then we have Michael Lombardi on our show the same exact day.
He's the general manager for the North Carolina Tar Hill football team.

Speaker 1 And this is what he had to say about it. You guys have it this year? Is that accurate? You guys got a great relationship with NFL Films.

Speaker 1 It would make sense, too, with how a college ball is becoming Pro Bowl at this exact time.

Speaker 16 I think there's a lot of conversations going on right now about that.

Speaker 16 I think we've had a lot of offers from people all over to have us come in and look at our program and kind of do the behind-the-scenes things.

Speaker 16 I don't think anything's yet been official or signed to it to make it happen.

Speaker 1 Don't let Saquon go. Who would it be? Would it be? Yeah, don't do that.
Would it be you? Would you be you negotiating that, or who's making that decision? No, that would be the university.

Speaker 16 And we got to make sure, you know, when you're dealing with the university and the brand that we have at North Carolina, which is incredible, you got to make sure that everything's done right.

Speaker 16 All the T's are crossed. And obviously, Bill has been talking to different people.
They contacted all of us us here, and Bill's been sorting it out.

Speaker 1 So on the program, he basically says, like, we're definitely talking to people, but this is not something that is done.

Speaker 1 People still just continue to say, like, even after he talked about that on our show, okay, I think we were on TV, the internet, we posted it on digital.

Speaker 1 People just kept going, like, didn't even happen. Guy didn't even say, nope, they're doing it.
They're doing it. They're doing it.
Just kept on just, this guy didn't fucking say anything.

Speaker 1 Boom, we're a robot. So now it's being reported in a turn of events.
Okay, Jonathan Jones reported.

Speaker 1 In a turn of events, UNC football and Bill Belichick will not be participating in Hard Knocks offseason after talks break down more at NFL on CBS. We appreciate Jonathan Jones.

Speaker 1 And in an article, they actually use a quote from Michael Lombardi from last week whenever they're discussing this. So it's not a turn of events.

Speaker 1 The actuality was they maybe were talking to him, but it was never something that was decided.

Speaker 1 And the thing that I love is that that was easily deciphered from Michael Lombardi, who's very close to the thing.

Speaker 1 You think they did it because it was from our show? You think that's what it is? Hey, do you think it's because it was from our show? We're not fucking listening to this guy? What do you think it is?

Speaker 1 Honestly.

Speaker 11 I mean, when you hear Lombea say nothing is signed, I would assume that's like, okay, then we don't know anything, really.

Speaker 1 Well, and also I'm saying we're talking to a lot of people. It's like, yeah, maybe there's been conversations with NFL films, but there's been a lot of conversations.

Speaker 1 And it's like, everybody's just like, ah, shut up, dude. Guys, the general manager of the goddamn thing.
Yeah. Wrong.

Speaker 1 The guy's pretty much in there.

Speaker 1 Who's negotiating this? Well, Bill obviously is fielding off it, but the school was a part of it.

Speaker 1 It's like okay so you pretty nut you know this pretty pretty well but it was just a matter of fact that they were doing it i was excited yeah i was like pumped to get into be cool recruiting

Speaker 1 i assume lombo didn't want any added distractions especially after what happened with the giants last year with the way he chit-chatted about it now he the way he's talked about it is like hey your your program's on display like how you go about doing it your process is on display so i think he's probably confident in that but nonetheless everybody's just talking about that as that was happening and i got real excited and then lombo comes in is like

Speaker 1 easy, don't think so. And then now it's like, no, it's like, damn.
So the offseason hard knocks is dead. Yes.
One and done. Which we

Speaker 5 knew was probably going to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but when we said it, we said it was some sort of joke. So

Speaker 1 it's not a real thing. Go for somebody.
Gave us some good clips. Great.

Speaker 3 Saquon was signed, what, two deals?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Never forget two ball off his pleasure.

Speaker 1 The Giants are not recommending it to anybody.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Hey, tell me about your experience with with the hard knock sausage. Joe Shane looks at him.
Did you fucking watch? Yeah. Ruined my life.

Speaker 1 Worst case scenario. What's the worst case scenario in your eyes? Think of that.
Double.

Speaker 2 People think my kid's smarter than me, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because the kid actually had it right. He was sitting behind me.
My daughter, even closer than I was. But

Speaker 1 sick on Go on to be player. I mean.
Owner thinks I'm a liar.

Speaker 1 Every, everything bad took place, and it was all documented, and the whole world watched it. So I would say don't do it.

Speaker 1 We have some some breaking news from the internet happening the nba twitter account was hacked and uh they have gotten it back i believe the nba

Speaker 1 have gotten it back the nba is taking the game to the next level introducing nba coin our official digital asset on solana designed to enhance fan engagement and future of sports transactions so this was tweeted i guess like 50 times so some crypto uh boys got into the nba twitter account and say you know what we're gonna run this nba coin up it's gonna be a pump and dump from the boys hoping to catch people and we would assume that NBA Twitter, okay,

Speaker 1 which had a much better name before, but I saw me to be the one that continues to bring that up. I don't think we should ever change it.
It's the greatest place on earth. Greyest place on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Most electrifying place on Twitter. No doubt.
I assume their quote tweets of that.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Probably pretty good. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Just crypto boys trying to get into the NBA.

Speaker 5 I mean, they even did an official announcement, too, with it. Like

Speaker 5 a letterhead and everything.

Speaker 1 They did it right. Yeah, I mean, the hackers are getting smart, you know, and AI is able to make a graphic for you quickly.
And we are scrolling right now.

Speaker 1 There is a lot of these tweets going on with a statement, official announcement.

Speaker 3 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Genius. What's real? Hey, got to keep your head on Swivel Eye.

Speaker 1 Okay. Not only in Starbucks because their Schultz is walking around.
They literally own the place. But also on the internet because anything could be fake.
Like that flying car might be fake.

Speaker 1 We don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe. It just might.
It's TPD.

Speaker 1 It's definitely fake. I think we can.
It's just show up anywhere.

Speaker 11 It's all over the fire truck's real for sure.

Speaker 1 You're talking about when I got over the 18-wheeler that was turned sideways.

Speaker 3 I think that was a giveaway. I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 It had me up to you.

Speaker 1 No, it was a drone shelf.

Speaker 11 It's so cool to be able to fly 10 feet in the air and 20 feet forward.

Speaker 1 That'd be really weird. Well, in Miami, which is what we were talking about.

Speaker 1 That's real. It would certainly be great.
Yeah, this. That's a cool car.
Sorry,

Speaker 1 sweet. Fly through the air right now.
That's what I'm thinking about. Look at the dust.

Speaker 11 Look at all the dust being brought up by all the force.

Speaker 1 No, that's just the weather. That's not from the...
Is that car broken down?

Speaker 5 Is that why it's flying over it?

Speaker 1 That car is parked in a spot that it shouldn't be. You wanted to alpha it.
Just let it know. You might have the ground space.
I got the air space. Here it is.

Speaker 11 It's the real one.

Speaker 1 Well, this is the issue. First of all, T's and P's to the truck driver and the goods.

Speaker 11 Someone's dead.

Speaker 1 It's cool that it's translucent, too.

Speaker 1 That one might be a rendering. No.

Speaker 1 Bros. Liar.

Speaker 1 That one might be.

Speaker 1 New York Post always on it.

Speaker 3 That brings another question, though.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 So I know we probably all got a lot of us in here have like the cameras in the car. Yeah, sure.
How did it get that? That's a good question.

Speaker 1 Above the headshot. I don't know.
It's awesome, though. It's the one.
And it's yes. I think I think

Speaker 5 they have all the cameras and they just kind of bring it together to make it look like it's the fish.

Speaker 1 We have breaking news from Adam Schefter. We did not get this one.
Damn it.

Speaker 1 The Packers and kicker Brandon McBannis have reached an agreement on a three-year $15.3 million deal, including $5 million signing bonus. The deal was negotiated by Drew and Jason Rosenhaus.

Speaker 1 Drew and Jason Rosenhaus. Congratulations, Cinnamon Boys.

Speaker 1 Brandon McManus obviously had a false allegation made against him that he was found completely innocent of, but had to move to a different team.

Speaker 1 Was once a Super Bowl champion with the Broncos, goes to the Jags. Everything happens there.
Ends abruptly. Thinks his entire career and life is probably over.

Speaker 1 Instead, gets vindicated in the court, I believe, from both the NFL and the actual court.

Speaker 1 Ends up signing with the Packers, goes on a hell of a run with the Packers, playing winning football, and now he's getting rewarded for it.

Speaker 1 What a turn of events for Brandon McManus, the person, I would assume, over the last 12 months, but also for the Packers. You guys got a guy.
That's good news, Todd.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I'm jacked up. I was kind of waiting for this, hoping that this would happen.
I think he had like three game-winning kicks this year, and it really was.

Speaker 2 I mean, going back to the playoffs last year, that kind of killed them against the Niners. Like, they've needed a guy ever since Crosby left.
So, yeah, this is huge news.

Speaker 5 I love it.

Speaker 1 AJ, I love Guthikins rewarding good players out there. That's the story of the day.
That's right.

Speaker 11 Yep, that's it. Do the right thing, you get rewarded.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
That's life.

Speaker 5 That's life.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 That's the universe. They say it's science.

Speaker 1 Put good out, good comes back. That's right.

Speaker 1 Put bad out, bad comes back. Bingo.
Not for everybody, though, it seems like.

Speaker 1 Because there's some real pressure shit out there, though. Thank you.

Speaker 1 No doubt.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.
Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. We're interested in together.
We're back tomorrow. Team on me.
Team on three. One, two, three, team.
Give me.

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