PMS 2.0 1298 - LIVE from the NFL Combine, Michael Lombardi & Brandon Beane

Hello beautiful people and welcome to Lucas Oil Stadium here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana. The forever home of the Combine.
This program starts now. Combine! It is magical as is that particular jib shot from Scott.
That was different than any he had done before. The Louisiana man can sense that there might be some Gata nuggets on the way.
This is our last day here at the Combine, but it will obviously continue through the weekend. Today, it is the tight ends and the secondary working out on the field while others are bench pressing and meeting behind the scenes with teams and medical and you name it.
It has been an absolute blast to be down here all week long. Now, we've been hearing a lot of things, as I assume a lot of you have.
We'll certainly chat about that. We have Michael Lombardi, the general manager of UNC, that'll be joining us at some point in the first hour.
In the second hour, we'll have Brandon Bean joining us. Now, there might be some surprise guests, and there might be some stop-bys, and there might be some magical things that happen during the show from what we are being told.
Now, it's not just me. Obviously, I'm here with a great group of lads.

And once again, Ty Schmidt has missed the program.

Damn.

No text from him today.

We hope he is okay.

If you could send your love to Ty, we would be wildly grateful.

But the toxic table is here.

It just looks a little different.

At Boston Corner and Mad Mel Kuyper.

Mad Mel today, tight ends, allegedly a deep class. Secondary, people going to run fast.
What are you looking forward to today here in beautiful Indianapolis, Indiana? Yeah, I think, you know, you mentioned how deep this year's tight end class is. Pat, I think you're exactly right.
Obviously, the top two guys, you know, Tyler Warren, Colson Loveland, I don't think they're going to do much today. So, we're going to really test the depth today.
You know, a couple other guys, a couple other prospects who, if you go by raw

athletic score, RAS, which everyone's

talking about. RAS.
The RAS

score. We're going to see which

of these guys maybe makes a name for themselves

and really pushes themselves up big

boards as maybe the number three, number four,

number five tight end. Con, man,

I don't like hearing

new names say they're not working out the combine.

Yeah, I don't love that at all.

Shador Sanders wasn't going to throw up, but came to meet

and do medical. He announced that before the

Thank you. I don't like hearing new names say they're not working out the combine.
Yeah, I don't love that at all. Shador Sanders wasn't going to throw out but came to meet and do medical.
He announced that before the combine and said, hey, listen, I got a lot of years of tape that you can watch. I'll be throwing in my pro day, which is a normal thing.
This does happen. His workout partner, Cam Ward, also has come out and said he will not be throwing here.
Tyler Warren, not playing. Loveland hurt, I believe, Aro, tight end out of Miami, also not working out.
So you're seeing some people, big names, high-end guys not work out. Pretty status quo.
Don't need that to become the norm with everybody, though, Conman. Yeah, it's terrible.
I feel like those guys, at least they were consistently great all year. But it does open the door.
Will Howard, let's see what you got. You can be the star here.
We hung around and watched the D-line linebackers yesterday. I'm not sure if that's my mic.
Exhilarating. Very fun to sit around and watch that for a little bit.
They didn't actually have the times in the stadium. That was a huge miss, so we had to watch the TV copy as well, which was great because Rich Eisen.
The time is always projected time. It's not the actual So I think they...
Because in the stadium, all the teams are getting their own time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is nice. But for the people in here, you know, it's tough to even know the relative...
Hey, it could be four seconds, could be eight. You know, who really knows how to clock those things.
But, you know, it'll be nice to see some of the other guys step up a little bit. And I know there's a tight end out of Bowling Green.
Fanning is his name. Fanning.
stud shattered a bunch of records this year so maybe a little less known guys unlike the cam wards and chidores and tyler warrens and lovelens may make a little name for themselves here today which would be nice yeah put on a little bit of a show here in indianapolis you can certainly steal it and maybe bump up your draft stock a little bit and that's what the magical thing about about Indianapolis is, is you've got a lot of conversations happening behind the scenes. You've got a lot of workouts.
You've got a lot of face-to-face time with these coaches. And, you know, Jim Harbaugh said the other day on our program to start this entire week of us down here at the combine.
He said, oh, these guys say they like to compete. Well, here's an opportunity.
Come compete. Some of these guys can really do it.
Will Howard, okay? My source. Says.
Are telling me that last night, 11 p.m. at night, some people from Indianapolis were walking around downtown, and they look into a hotel parking lot.
It was a little chilly last night here in Indianapolis. And there's one guy taking dropbacks and throwing a football over a parking thing to the other side.
And there's somebody coaching or catching it. They get a little bit closer.
They say, well, that's a tall, big son of a bitch throwing a ball there. Sure.
It's just somebody trying to just be like, hey, Uncle Rico, this thing. Combine week, all the NFL people here, I'm going to do this.
Got a little bit closer. It was Will Howard.
Wow. wow it was will howard okay i don't know if he flew in or got here earlier whatever the case was but he had a throwing you know schedule that had to happen did 11 p.m last night in a hotel parking lot not for the cameras there's no cameras around the person walked by and said it was just him and one other person who was catching the ball for him did not know who it was will howard is ready to come out here and make a big impression i believe i have not talked to will i've not talked to will's people i don't know them that well a lot of people are asking like hey pat is will howard got you guys on the payroll no we just so happen to be at all of these games where he played his best ball and he's a big son of a bitch and whenever you talk about being big whenever you talk about havingie, when you talk about being likable, and whenever you talk about being able to put a ball on a dot, it's like, is that not what we're looking for in the quarterback? And then allegedly, I was at Cafe Patichu this morning, obviously an Indianapolis staple.
Great. There's a lot of people there.
And some people were dropping some information. Had a great breakfast with Rich Eisen.
Shout out to Rich Eisen for paying for breakfast. Shout out.
Get a chance to kind of see people and chat with people. There's people that are like, 10 of Ohio State guys were kind of asked if you could bring one player with you to the next level to a team, who would it be? And I think eight or nine of them said Will Howard.
So when you talk about a guy being loved by the boys, especially with how that season went, losing to Michigan, losing to Oregon, a lot of money, a lot of names, a lot of egos, a lot of hype going in. That could have kind of spun in on of itself.
Got to give credit to Ryan Day, obviously, for keeping the boys rolling. Got to give credit to Chip Kelly for being able to keep the boys rolling, who I saw yesterday.
He looks fantastic. Let me go back to college, win a national championship, then I'm going to come up to the NFL and try to do the same damn thing.
As an offense coordinator this time, not a head coach in the NFL, has a lot more off of his plate, and he's able to just focus on football, which would be good. But Will Howard had touchdown celebration dances with every guy on the Ohio State Buckeyes.
He was the guy that they looked to to rally, and he was the guy that got it done. He's a national champion.
He's a stud, and he seems like a perfect guy to lead your program. Will he come out here with Cam? Wish your door not thrown.

Jackson Dart will be thrown.

Went to Ole Miss.

Well, easy.

Easy.

I can't believe you can say that.

Are we even allowed to say Ole Miss?

Are we even allowed to say the school name?

You can't even mention the state of Mississippi.

Oh, is this America?

Yeah, it is.

There's a lot of people, you know, saying a lot of, we didn't start it. Okay? It happened to be the number one trend in the world for about two days.
We allude to it. Say no names.
I got people saying I'm a terrible. I didn't.
What are we? From Portland News. That's all.
I've already done this dance. I've already done this dance with somebody from Mississippi before.
Okay. So I'm ready.
If you would like all the people that are coming after me, we're ready We are A-OK in that world. But Jackson Dart out of a university in the South, I guess.
Not even allowed to say that whole thing. But he could potentially make a massive jump in this entire thing.
I love the opportunity for these guys whenever other people choose not to perform. And I think we're going to see that.
Now, today, tight end, secondary. Tone, what happened yesterday that is notable notable and what's going to happen today that we need to talk about yeah we'll start yes yesterday and we'll start with the d-line shamar stewart was the basically the talk of the town uh last night during the workouts he waited at 6 5 267 when uh was he was at the senior bowl he was 6 5 281 so he lost about 14 pounds to do what he did yesterday obviously you're looking right there he ran a 4 5 9 at that height and weight which is absurd he also jumped a 40 inch vertical and a 10 11 broad he basically had the same exact numbers as miles garrett and the combine obviously miles you know was a top pick and had 32 and a half sacks in college shemar only had four and a half sacks in college so the production wasn't there, but as an athlete, he was an absolute

freak yesterday. Yeah,

he lost some weight from the Senior Bowl

until now. He was listed at

6'6", 290 in the guide.

So was he originally that? Then he gets down to

281, now he's at 267.

It's like, what will he end up being? If he gets down to

260, 255, is he only going to get faster?

Runs a 4.59 at almost

270 pounds? Yes. What an

absolute specimen, and I believe

everything he did was in the the 99th percentile or 98th percentile. And, you know, I don't think a lot of people knew Shamar Stewart's name maybe before yesterday.
And then yesterday, everybody's like, hey, this guy's going to do a day. This guy's going to have a day.
And he did. So he shows up in a big moment, has the body type in the making to be a great NFL player good for Shamar

Stewart making himself some real money yesterday great uh also on the DND line group uh Landon

Jackson uh out of Arkansas he is 6'6 270 he jumped 40 and a half in his in his vertical

and he ran a 4-6-8 which is ridiculous he had six and a half sacks each of the last two seasons he's

a late round first early second guy who probably helped his stock a ton yesterday he also redeemed himself in the bag drill in high school he had a tape come out that wasn't great in the bag drill yesterday just an absolute monster just a different human being yeah definitely and i think he was obviously going crazy around the internet because of the high school bag drill and people like remember this guy and it was like no i like, no, I actually didn't. And then once I saw the video, I was like, oh yeah, I remember the guy walking up, stopping, smacking a bag and then jogging four yards, smacking another bag and rolling.
He had a hell of a day for the woo pig suey bun. Yeah, hell of a day.
And then we go to the linebacker position, a guy we talked about yesterday who was going to show out and did show out, Jahad Campbell, the linebacker fromabama he weighed in 6-3 235 ran a 4-5 uh and then was just at like super smooth in the linebacker drills so he secured himself a first round spot yesterday and like watching his tape like he sees ball he goes and gets ball so he he definitely helped himself yesterday and then the last one was james pierce jr who when you were going through abdul carter's stats yesterday you were talking about abdul carter and then then the second name that you mentioned the entire time was James Pierce Jr., the edge out of Tennessee. He had 17 sacks the last two seasons.
He ran a 4-4-7 yesterday at 6-5-2-45, so I think he solidified himself as the number two edge to probably come off the board. Somehow everybody's getting faster, bigger, and stronger, and it's an honor to watch all the hard work that has gone in behind the scenes to get to this point.
Remember, we're just watching these dudes do these things. The amount of hours and early wake-up calls and strict diet and everything that has gotten to this point, absolutely bananas.
Congrats to James Pierce Jr. Let's go back to Jihad Campbell because I was watching all the workouts last night.
I think they went until about 10.05, 10.15 last night. Late night last night.
And I was watching the entire thing. He's lanky.
Yeah. He is a long, lanky fellow.
Incredibly smooth. A lot of the workouts they had them doing, uncomfortable and awkward.
We're talking about full sprints one direction, then telling you to stop, turn around, having to sprint back, and then catch the ball being thrown directly at you, maybe at your body or at your face. Tough things to do.
He was clean throughout the entirety.

There was a guy from Georgia.

Yeah, Schmael Munden.

What's his name?

Schmael Munden, I believe.

Schmael Munden?

Schmael?

I believe that's how you pronounce his first name.

I could be completely wrong.

I'm not 100% sure if that is what his name is.

S-M-A-E-L Munden.

Junior.

Yeah.

Schmael Munden.

Whatever it is.

He's a linebacker.

Can we put the tweet up that I put out there?

Yeah, is that the word?

Yeah, here it is.

Schmael Munden, Jr., linebacker from Georgia.

Thank you. Yeah.
Small Munden, whatever it is. He's a linebacker.
Can we put the tweet up that I put out there? Yeah, is that the word? Yeah, here it is. Smale Munden Jr., linebacker from Georgia.
I thought we didn't have the video. We must have found it.
We found it very late. Okay, so we find the video.
So he's running one of these drills right here, and I'm watching this last night, and this guy is moving. You talk about 50-plus tackles each of the last three seasons.
These are the exercises. Full sprint that way, stop, turn.
Now a strike is being thrown at you, and that hits him right in the face, and he just jogs it right off. And to be honest, I don't know how that doesn't happen more to these guys.
How often are you sprinting directly at a quarterback, and he's throwing a strike right at your face? So that thing, you're running full speed one direction because that's how you're being judged. Are you going to be able to go full speed stop, turn, go full speed back? And then that thing's running right at your face.
Looks like an easy catch. A lot of guys made a catch.
A lot of guys dropped it. He got hit right in the face, bonked right in the nose or the eye, I thought potentially.
They said no, and he ended up getting back in there. But it was a lot of activity.
It went very long last night, and the energy was insane on the field. We saw some guys benching this morning, a lot of juice.
Wow. Looked like there was some movement.
Feels like there's some special situations popping up here. Yeah, it is.
And then today we move on to the D-backs and the tight ends, like you said. And a guy that I think is going to do kind of what Shamar Stewart did yesterday and while everybody is Nick Emanwari, who's a safety from South Carolina.
He's 6'3", 225, and he expects to run like low four threes. And he is just an absolute monster on tape.
Remember when Taylor Mays came out and wowed everybody at his height, weight, and then ran like in the four threes? They're expecting Nick Emanwari to do that today. Malachi Starks, who's the safety from Georgia, who is personally, when you look at the safeties, he is by far the best at playing the ball in this draft.
He's going to run in the four threes most likely today. People are going to be very, very impressed by that.
And then you move to the tight ends. We talked about the tight ends that aren't doing anything today.
And Connor referenced Harold Fannin out of Bowling Green, a Mac guy. So we're going to see him today.
He set the record for most yards and most catches in a tight end in one season in college football history. So we'll look at him today.
And then the other one is kind of a forgotten guy on that Oregon offense, Terrence Ferguson, tight end. He said he's going to run very well today.
He's 6'5", 260. So if he moves well today, he's also going to move up.
Okay, so Terrence Ferguson, obviously, that Oregon offense is what it is. You know, the way they move the ball and everything like that.
He was a monster. But they've got a lot of guys over there on that Oregon team that are monsters.
Excited to see him show up. And then in the secondary, there's a guy that's going to run a 4-2.
Yeah, Maxwell Harrison. He's out of Kentucky.
He's the guy that DJ said yesterday was one of his three guys that he said could push the Xavier Worthy record. And then we talked to some sources about Maxwell Harrison who said he's definitely going to run.
They expect him to be the fastest forward in the draft. Okay, well, he's not the only one that thinks that.
I saw a couple people say they're going to run the fastest. Yeah, both out of Texas.
Isaiah Bond thinks that he's going to run the fastest of all time. Wide receiver.
I think we have the video, right, Foxy? I'm going to break the record tomorrow, for sure. I anticipate running 4-2-0 or possibly I'm feeling great.
I might run 4-1. Okay.
Okay. So he feels like that's how he's going to go, Mr.
Bond. Shout out to him saying that.
He wasn't the only one. Yeah, Jaden Blue out of Texas, the running back out of Texas.
He said the same exact thing. So those Texas boys, which, you know, they ran with Xavier last year, so they might have an idea of their speed against him.
So they think they're going to compete with him this year. Yeah, and obviously Sark just is a track factory, I guess, down there.
Makes you wonder, you know, with everything else going on, is that just going to continue? Is Texas going to continue to have that speed? And if they do, what is Arch Manning going to do with it? Uh-oh. Quinn, you were playing through an injury last year is kind of what the narrative has become here at Combine.
So a lot of people are impressed with his toughness. We'll see how he throws and does everything here at the Combine.
Excited to watch that The convo around the combine, though, has not been about the prospects. It has not been about what's going on in the field.
Now, granted, if Bond runs a 419, it'll certainly – that'll become – or Blue – whatever the case, that'll become the convo. The convo here is, is a deal going to get done with Matthew Stafford? Because remember, this beautiful city of Indianapolis, Indiana, which is the greatest host of any event that you would like to have.
Literally. Any event you'd like to have, Indianapolis would like to host it, and we'll do it better than anybody else.
We're built for hosting. We love hosting.
And the reason is because we've got a lot of restaurants that are within walking distance to everything. We've got a lot of servers.
The service industry here in Indianapolis very much understands what the deal is. They'll keep restaurants open.
They'll keep bars open. They'll give back rooms.
They'll give privacy. They'll let people have their convos.
And it's become an NFL spring break to get deals done or test out the waters for if there's any other conversations to be had. The big one happening here, Matthew Stafford.
He's the first domino, they say, in the quarterback. Not just for the older potential free agent quarterbacks.
Not that Matthew Stafford's a free agent, but he's been allowed to snoop around, so you might as well consider him that. Aaron Rodgers hasn't officially been released, but he's like a free agent.
Sam Darnold, the entire. Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, you know.
Kirk Cousins, potentially. We'll see what happens with him.
But the domino that needs to fall first, allegedly, is Matthew Stafford. He is looking to get paid from what everybody has been saying.
And once he gets decided, now the draft class quarterbacks get viewed a little bit differently. Now the other veteran quarterbacks get viewed a little bit differently.
But what the hell is going to happen with Matthew Stafford? Well, I think it's been reported it hasn't been reported I guess uh we we no I don't think we're breaking any of those I think everything that we're about to say has been reported it is difficult though because there's a lot of conversations happening with a lot of people that know a lot of shit here at the combine so what's going into this year like uh am I the amount of times I'm saying am I allowed to say that has that been am I what is the – you know, I feel like I'm an insider almost at this point. What's what Mullen and Graff was doing yesterday.
I feel like we all do, like, because we're just shaking hands with people in passing, and they're just dropping information. It's like, I didn't know that.
Is that – You didn't say off the record. Yeah, but we're trying not to catch anybody up, and we're not in the insider game.
But I think what has been reported is this morning, we speak either moments ago or still currently matthew stafford in the los angeles rams meeting now there are other teams that are very very very interested from what is being reported and what source says have been telling us uh the raiders allegedly very very interested allegedly there is an offer that is very much in play for Matthew Stafford to potentially, you know, go to the Raiders if he doesn't get something figured out with the Los Angeles Rams, where he only has $4 million guaranteed coming up into next season, which is basically a nothing contract for any player, let alone a starting quarterback, let alone a guy who's going to end up in the Hall of Fame who wants to play ball still. So whenever you think about Matthew Stafford, you think about, okay, he's having a convo with the Rams today.
If that ends up going very well, does he go back to the Los Angeles Rams? Okay. If he goes back to the Los Angeles Rams, now everybody that was looking at Matthew Stafford to potentially be their quarterback is still in the market.
Raiders, Giants, Steelers. How about the Browns? They're going to go young, but what are they going to do? So once Matthew gets figured out, which we are being I think is being reported is going to get figured out today today we will know what is going on with Matthew does that mean during our show does that mean later tonight who knows but what's happening with Matthew allegedly cooking as we speak over there in Los Angeles well you mentioned it I mean this kind of everything hinges on this we really can't move any other chess pieces until this gets done.
And it kind of sounds like, I mean, if nothing gets done with the Rams, something is in place with the Raiders. Now, granted, you know, there's still pieces that need to be moved around.
But you wonder, you know, if he does go to the Raiders, is that one of those things where, hey, he's going to bring Cooper Cup with him and he maybe brings a couple other guys with him because we already know that the Rams are going to move on from Cooper Cup. Now, obviously, I think the Rams give him the best chance to win in the interim.
But who's to say? I mean, the Raiders haven't had a quarterback in years. That's kind of what – I mean, this is a new Raiders team.
Rich Gannon. Yeah.
That's what I'm saying. I mean, that was the last guy worth a shit.
2001. Speaking of Derek Carr, allegedly going to be the Saints quarterback going forward.
Exactly. Great player, great player.
He was great, but obviously didn't have the type of success. So it does kind of feel like Matthew Stafford.
He might be one of those guys where if he goes to the Raiders, who's to say that he doesn't turn them around right away? Obviously, we know the Rams want him back. It's all about the money at this point, but we'll see what happens.
You get a couple suitors out there kind of tickling your taint, and maybe you don't decide, hey, I want to go somewhere else. Yeah, there is a chance that that happens, Conrad.
Oh, yeah, it's very plausible. And it also sets the draft.
Like when you're looking at those top four picks, you know, two of the teams you just mentioned, the Browns and the Giants, they're both in the top three, and those are kind of the quarterback needy teams still. And, you know, with the Raiders, you would think, sure, they could go get Stafford andord they can get cut but I wouldn't rule out them even drafting the quarterback after that because Brady is probably one of the loudest guys of hey sitting behind someone and learning and being able to see that obviously him and Bledsoe, Rodgers you know and there's been guys who haven't done that and have had a ton of success J Jaden Daniels.
But it feels like that is kind of the most for sure way to get your rookie quarterback to become great immediately. And then, you know, that would set up some of the other teams as well.
And the Browns, you would assume no matter what at two are going to take a quarterback just because that number two pick has just been the, you know, definitely going to be a guy. If you have the number two pick and you take a quarterback.
Let the number one team do their thing. You guys decide.
Hands off. Number two, whatever quarterback you take, history tells us in the last two years, they are going to be unbelievable immediately.
But really Stafford is going to make so many massive decisions for other teams based on where he goes and with this upcoming draft. And the Las Vegas Raiders, you know, obviously they're looking at a quarterback, need a quarterback.
Talked to Chip Kelly yesterday. Chip Kelly said, literally right out here, I said, you guys need a quarterback, right? He goes, every team needs a quarterback.
And I'm like, okay, Chip. That's not true.
Okay, no. But he's saying – Technically, yes, every team needs a quarterback.
Yeah, that's right now. He was literally like just being like, yeah, I need a quarterback to play football, you know? And he said, do you want to play quarterback for us? I'm like, Chip Kelly offense? Hold on.
Sure. Are you going to be calling that, you know, that entirety? I think the fascinating situation with the Raiders, and you brought it up there, all the OG quarterbacks are like, we're rushing these guys in here.
We're rushing these guys guys in here we're giving these guys no chance at all now Tom Brady who everybody at the combine has basically said very active Tom Brady has been very active in being the owner of the Raiders Tom Brady has been very active in like hey not only my investment but also if I'm associated with this place I would like it to do well I would like it to go well now he just so happened to be skiing in montana yeah at the same exact time matthew stafford was skiing in montana they're both incredibly wealthy got same houses or got houses in the same community out there in montana and they just so happen to be there and you know that is um that's kind of what's being reported by one particular party of the starbucks scuffle and on the other side of the starbucks stare down and saying you think they just so happen to be in the same town in montana at the same exact time in this time frame where one is wondering what the future looks like and the other is needing that exact person that's what schultz is saying nfo network saying they just so happen hey happenstance this happens with rich people all the time and Schultz goes i know i've grown up in the rich world but there is always so that has been an argument but i think what hasn't been said is that they didn't meet when he was out there that they didn't go skiing together whenever they were out there and that kind of falls in line with everything we're hearing about tom brady as the owner whenever the head coach interview was happening with pete carroll you know who's running the? Tom Brady. Whenever every other interview was happening around the building, you know who's running the interview? Tom Brady.
General manager think Tom Brady. Now, I would assume Tom Brady is very much involved in who's going to be our quarterback, and I think that is why whenever PFT and Florio reports, like, hey, there's common ground in Vegas, it's like, yeah, because Tom Brady understands quarterback situation, understands exactly where Matthew Stafford is whenever he went down to Tampa.
And he can also tell Matthew, who's looking for a massive paycheck, allegedly is what being said. Now, there is nine figures in an offer sheet somewhere, allegedly, for Matthew Stafford in this entire thing at this stage.
Congratulations to him on that. But Tom took like 25 mil guaranteed to go down there to tampa to build up a team and win it's like what is he saying versus what other teams are saying what does matthew stafford want how's the meeting go this morning with the rams i mean there's just so much to kind of go into it all and all eyes are on the georgia bulldog matthew stafford draft class 2009 oh you know something about yeah you mentioned He got picked 221 picks ahead of me.
You knew that, Mad Mel. Well, without a doubt.
But, you know, and a lot of people said, hey, maybe you should have, you know, been a second, third round guy, you know, and they just didn't give you the opportunity. Didn't look enough tape, you know, maybe didn't get eyes on you.
I think you invited the combine. Bingo.
I think you invited the combine. Thanks, Mad Mel.
Not my decision. No, that's not what I heard.
How many combines have you done? Every single one of them. Not my decision.
I'm not inviting guys. Oh, so you don't have anything.
Well, do I have say? Do I not have say? I mean, that's something we don't need to really discuss right now. You mentioned the money situation, though, with Stafford.
You don't want to phrase it like all he cares about is money, obviously. He's a quarterback in the NFL.
He has a whole-fame career. But you talk about those situations.
Let's look at the tax situation in Vegas. A little bit different than the tax situation in LA.
A little bit different than what they're reporting about the New York Giants saying, hey, 90 to 100 mil guaranteed right when you come here. Your dollar's going a little bit farther in Las Vegas than it's going into any of those other places.
So if money is one of the kind of end-all, be-alls of this whole situation, one of the caveats, if you will, then who's to say the Raiders aren't in terms of being able to compete with the Rams? They're right there. So let's just play this out real quick.
Matthew Stafford goes to Raiders. That means we assume Aaron's going to be in conversation with the Rams.
You would assume that is how that is going to go. Darnold probably, too.
And then Darnold probably in conversation with the Rams, or with anybody at that point. And then now these other teams are at the top.
They need a quarterback. They have to start saying, okay, do we dive deeper into the rookie quarterbacks now? Is that maybe what Shador and Cam are hearing, too? Like, hey, teams are kind of waiting to see sure is happening with the veterans quarterbacks before that and are they like well if we throw now and we have a great day of course it matters but the only thing we can do is hurt ourself maybe going into this conversation i don't love it i understand it business wise but if you go out here and light it up maybe whenever one of these teams that is going to inevitably end up without a vet goes yeah i want that want that guy over that guy.
Now, Browns, we assume, are going to take quarterback.

We assume they're going to take quarterback because they have to

because it has to be a rookie quarterback, has to be cheap.

They can't afford anybody else because they don't have it.

So whoever goes there, everybody's saying Cam Ward.

Everybody's saying that's going to be Cam Ward.

He's the number one quarterback.

So now you look at the Giants.

You look, obviously, at the Titans.

You look at the Raiders.

You look at a lot of these teams that need QBs.

Who falls in where? I think there's a chance that more rookies kind of get drafted early than we had been talking about all the way up until this point. Well, and that's why the movement will be so interesting.
Obviously, the Patriots, the Jags at four and five, neither of those teams are taking a quarterback. The Patriots have Drake May.
The Jags paid a lot of money to their quarterback, so they're not doing anything. I mean, Titans, Browns, Giants, Raiders, Jets.
Yeah, all of them. All of them need a quarterback.
Top seven. And nine saying that they're sticking with Derek, but.
They need a quarterback, too. Do you need a rookie quarterback? I mean, that's a lot of.
They met with Cam Ward. They met with Cam Ward, and they don't have that much money.
Obviously, they're in cap hell for who knows how long. So who says they wouldn't trade up to New England at four? Because I think maybe it was Field or DJ yesterday talking about how at five, the Jets are in love with somebody.
There's only Cam or Shador left. Who says they don't hop the Raiders and go to five and take a quarterback? And then I don't even want to speak just for our city, but I mean, the Indianapolis Colts at 14, they said it's open competition, a quarterback.
Would they want a young guy or they maybe want something else? I mean, like there's a lot of teams as you start to look at it and as we start to hear conversations. Now, granted, the people we're hearing from are people that would like these younger guys.
You know, they would like these younger guys to get an opportunity, but they're like, hey, we're hearing a lot more interest than what is being reported. As teams continue to look at their situation and the situation around it, it's like, yeah, maybe we take a shot on a guy because a quarterback can be very cheap, and that can help your entire salary cap if you can hit on a rookie guy.
I was listening to your podcast yesterday, Mel, and you made a good point about the, you know, the Giants at number three, like Dayball and Joe Shane, like how many – if they don't win this year, like they're already on the hot seat. Are they going to do it with a rookie quarterback at three if they don't get Matt Stafford? I looked into this, and maybe it was somebody that was around Dayball and Shane.
Not them exactly, but somebody from that area. Maybe the PR person.
Sure. Okay.
Maybe the PR person. Could be.
Comes over and says, like, hey, our building thinks you've been very fair with everything. Just want to let you know that.
Like, with the way we talked about the hard knocks and everything. Nice.
They don't hold it again. Like, hey, you guys have been very fair.
And I was like, that was very kind. Then dropped in a little reminder.
Daybo's won, like, five Super Bowls. He was coach of the year.
National champion. I know it's with Bill, but he's just saying he's been around a lot.
Nick Saban and Bill Belichick are like Daybowls guys. They're like, don't forget that, please, in your conversation.
With everything we have going on, please don't forget that Daybowl has had massive success, which is why Mara is very much like, okay, you've seen it, you've done it. We've been behind the eight ball in a couple situations.
Let's see what you do. But them getting a young quarterback, you would think, would be able to help out the rest of the roster.
Or maybe them going with the vet, like they're saying with Matthew Stafford. If they get a vet and then they pair neighbors with, you know, one of the best athletes of all time in Travis Hunter to come out and whether he's playing wideout or D-back, like they immediately become a better team than Shadur.
And Connor kind of mentioned it, like if they do get Stafford, the Raiders still, they've been mocked, Shadur at eight or whatever, seven or eight, whatever it is, in every single mock because, you know, the relationship with Tom and the native quarterback. So, like, yeah, what happens with Stafford, to kind of put

not a bow on everything, but

what happens with Stafford is huge

for everything.

So, last night I was watching the combine.

I thought the NFL Network did a great job with the combine.

Congratulations to them.

Legit. I think they've done a good job

with figuring out how to film it and do it.

Rich and Daniel Jeremiah are the perfect

tone for it. It's long.

I mean, you're watching golf.

You're watching golf in there.

Vrabes did look sweet.

Always does.

He's a big son of a bitch, too.

You notice that?

He's just a big son of a bitch.

If you're a player out there and you want to coach for someone

that's been there, done that, we're talking about Travis Hunter,

how many Super Bowl catches and how many touchdowns does Mike Grable have?

A few. A few.
Not just one. A few.
What did they say about the Patriots with Travis Hunter? That the meeting, you know, between Vrabel and Travis, they did have a little jovial little conversation before Travis left, talking about, like, hey, you're not the first guy to do this. Yeah, but also in the evaluation of Travis Hunter, the New England Patriots, have we heard anything about Hunter? The Patriots said they consider, and this is just being reported, this isn't from...
This is not from Vrabel to us. This is from other people's reporting.
No, this is just from reporting, and it's not from Elliott Wolfe either, but they consider Travis Hunter the number one corner and the number one wide receiver. Now, that could be coming from Travis Hunter's agent who heard that from – I mean, there's just so much shit that gets kind of thrown around out here.

Just like footballs by Will Howard at 11 o'clock at night in a hotel parking lot.

That's all to think about.

We were told that by somebody not associated with the NFL.

Somebody that lives in Indianapolis.

We live here.

So we know a lot of people around town.

And they're like, hey, saw a guy, huge guy,

just throwing a football in a parking lot at 11 o'clock at night.

We're like, look at Uncle Rico down here. And then we said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fuck it. We're going to go see who that is.
It was Will Howard. Yeah.
It was Will Howard. And then just like a quick, what the hell is going on to the other guy who they did not know? And he's like, ah, a schedule.
He has like a schedule. There was a, you know, so he's got to do this.
It's like, this guy might be the guy. This guy might be the guy.
This person couldn't reiterate enough. the guy that told us this.
The source. I don't want to give up.
I almost just said name there. I almost did too.
That's the whole thing. That would be the biggest day of this dude's life.
You don't know a guy in the NFL. A guy in the NFL.
No, no, it's an indie guy. It's an indie guy that saw this who literally was just downtown and saw it and it's like the thought that there was no cameras around like wasn't trying it was just like I got to get this in somewhere it was like back parking lot like hidden away almost as if trying not to just trying to get shit done it's like that's a hilarious aspect of it all who are football guys who are guys that you want to bring into your culture you know it, if you listen to Cristobal down in Miami, Cam Ward, definitely a guy you want to bring in.
He said he flipped that entire place on its head, was an incredible leader. Shador has it in.
Everywhere Shador's gone, team has followed and gotten better. Incredible toughness, obviously able to do the entirety.
Jackson Dart's beloved, we believe, down there in the school in the South. School! School in the South! Sweet potato pie and we'll show up.
We should probably put a line through that. Yeah, I don't even know if we're allowed to have that on the graphic underneath Jackson Dart.
You know, you don't say names and people still, I mean, there's been... Lane Kiffin's team.
There's been a lot of things. Brother, it's the number one trend in the world.
What are you going to do? What are we... We are topical, but what are we...
I think if you listen in entirety, there's some empathy there at the end. In the whole situation, which we certainly have.
But with that being said, made a football point. Not ready.
Just want to let everybody know. Right.
No names alluded to a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very viral news story. Tied it in.
Used a ledger a couple times. A lot of times.
Because we learned our lesson. Because we've danced this dance before.
Yeah, it's not our first. With a Mississippi person.
We've done this entire thing before. So, I mean, we hate that the situation happened, but it did.
Sure. And it's like, we didn't create that.
No. It's like, we just, we.
We report the news. Nonetheless, he's beloved by his team.
You watch the Jackson Dart is beloved by his team down there in Ole Miss.. It's like all these guys seem like guys you want to get in your building too, which would be great for an organization.
I'm excited to see if this draft class has a lot more winners than it does losers because there's next to no hype. But the reason that there is no hype is maybe because these guys are just boring team guys.
Maybe these guys are just boring team guys in this entirety. I think a lot of it has to do with the quarterback class last year was just so good, too.
And they don't think those guys, just by watching tape or whatever, are those guys yet. So it's like, hey, it's a down year so they don't have the hype or whatever.
But when we were talking about the Raiders, they do have a new OC. And you talk about Will Howard.
Like, could that be – it doesn't feel like he's going to go number eight over there,

but could it be a second round thing for the Raiders?

Yeah, I mean, you have no idea.

I legitimately –

I mean, Bo Nix –

From what I'm hearing –

Bo Nix at this time last year was not a first runner.

Bingo.

Then he puts on a show.

Neither was Penix.

Penix wasn't either.

Yeah, Sean Payton meets with him, and Sean's like, I love this guy.

Then you start looking at the tape through, like, your offense's eyes with the guy.

Even JJ last year, and he was the guy.

He wasn't doing it in a parking lot.

He was doing it in the convention center hallways or whatever, and he actually got filmed. Everything gets filmed, by the way.
That did not with Will there last night, once again, because they... That's crazy to me that that's happening, but to your point.
Go ahead, pal. No, I was just saying because of last year's class and how they performed in their first year, I think that's why the hype isn't there.
But who says that that can't happen with all the guys this year, too? It's also inevitable that as we sit right now, this game of quarterback musical chairs, someone's going to get left out. And someone is going to panic on draft night.
I know this class, even on my big board, don't have a whole bunch of these quarterbacks going. Yeah, exactly.
We'll see what they do on the field. But there's going to be one of these teams who's putting all their chips in either the Matt Stafford or the Aaron Rodgers basket, and that doesn't work out for them.
So they might be inclined to trade back up in the first round or do something like that. And who's to say that we don't see four guys, four quarterbacks get drafted in the first round? Well, that's what's crazy.
We're talking about if Stafford's here they're, they're all over the place. If he stays in L.A., right, okay, so now all of a sudden none of those top ten teams that were looking at Stafford, they're not getting him.
Let's say because of the Aaron Rodgers situation, who knows if teams want to do that because at least with Stafford, you know, you've got four or five years. You know, he's still playing at a playoff level, Rodgers, although we think he's great.
It didn't go well for the Jets. And then looking at Darnold, what if he stays in Minnesota? It's like there's so many of the musical changes.
Last two games with Sam Darnold. They were tough, and that might have hurt.
Isn't that crazy? It might have hurt his bag. It was like $75 million.
Yeah, and it wouldn't really make sense for him to sign a massive deal in Minnesota because, you know, KOC's KOC. You know, say what you want about J.J.
McCarthy. If J.J.
McCarthy isn't great, KOC is going to make him great, okay, no matter what. That's why you have Justin Jefferson and T.J.
Hawkinson and Aaron Addison and maybe Aaron Jones comes back. Like, that situation seems set up for any quarterback.
So it might only be Sam Darnold. And then all of a sudden it's like, okay, well, the Giants and Browns, they're not probably going to move.
They're probably going to stay pat. So do the Raiders then go get Darnold? Do the Raiders then, you know, try and move up to one? Because that's another thing with the Titans.
Like, we're talking about the Titans. Like, well, they're probably not going to take a quarterback.
What the hell are we talking about? Okay, we all watched the Titans last year. They still need a quarterback.
And this is a new GM. And we've seen it with new GMs.
You've talked about it all the time. Those guys want the stamp on their own team.
And sure, they have. I think the Titans are praying to God that somebody really wants one.
Yeah, sure. Because they probably want to.
You're talking about a new team. Exactly.
And maybe they take Abdul Carter, who, generational, as we say, even though he's got a foot injury.

No, no.

One team said, or we don't know how many teams, maybe two teams said, but there's 32 teams that are testing that foot out.

And he woke up the next day, and I would assume another team's medical said, we assume this has been this way for a while.

Well, and only the Titans GM or whatever was the guy that said, he didn't even say him. He just said a lot of people hate that generational world.

Hate it. Yeah, but you never know.

Yeah, correct. Somebody could be, is Adam

Vinatieri generational? Yep.

I would say, right? You think whenever he was coming out of

South Dakota State, go big, go blue, go Jacks?

Anybody was saying this guy's going to be generational?

No. I don't think so.
You know, you have no

idea. That's the thing about the draft that we have to

remember. We need to remember this.
And we talk about this on draft night a lot because we have six hours to do it. It's like a lot of these guys are going to suck.
Can't wait. Okay? A lot of these guys are going to suck.
And a lot of people that we think are going to suck turn out to be pretty good. And a lot of people we have no opinion about come out of nowhere and are great.
I mean, that is just the history of the NFL. That is the reality of every single draft class and that is also the reality of this time of year when people really win somebody over you went over one team you're in a good spot okay in the draft you went over two teams much better spot now granted you went over three this is just like business anytime you have more people interested in your products you're going to have a run-up offer you're going to be able to do that whole thing but all it takes is one Atlanta Falcons of Penix they were the ones they said we love this guy we just paid a guy we don't care this is somebody that we think is generational when maybe if you didn't watch Michael Penix in college at Washington or at Indiana you didn't think that going into the draft because he wasn't chatted about as much as Caleb and Jaden and Drake May.
You get it in that entire thing.

All you need is one team.

Sean Payton, Love, and Bo Nix.

All you need is one team.

And whenever you hear somebody say during draft night, well, that was a reach.

No, that was one team that liked somebody a lot more than everybody else.

And we'll assume that they have a vision for said person and have them make or make

them successful.

Oh, and some of those guys, I feel like we talk about a bunch their entire career.

Like, we almost get bored with them. Like, Brock Bowers, when he was a freshman at georgia it was like oh this guy this guy is generational he he's gonna go and then he doesn't even go in the top 10 you know it's like guys obviously you go back you redraft he's a top three pick he was one of the best players in the end i think he was all pro this year what was he was he one of the first second team set the record yeah like he said he set the all-time record for rookies and it's situations like that like with tyler warren you think about it's like hey this guy was so good at football but he's not going to do the combine he's going to do his pro day and he's doing meetings and stuff but like who says he doesn't drop and then in october it's like how was tyler warren not a top five pick why wasn't he talked about as one of the best dudes and then you know you mentioned too some of these guys that are gonna suck they'll end up like Mekhi Becton where they'll be talked about and ridiculed for so long and then they'll go to a situation like Philly and be you know a future all-time guard one of the highest paid guys could end up like that the guys that end up sucking and just not finding the right home or just actually sucking at football, we don't talk about them ever.
No. But Makai finding a new home, I mean, it's happening with Sam.
It's happening with all of these guys. But other positions, it very much happens as well.
I mean, our guy D-Buck. Our guy D-Buck gets drafted third round, second round? Second round.
Top of the second round. Yeah, top of the second round.
First, late, you know, whenever his pick is traded on draft night, they go, it's basically like an end of first, you know, like if you were about to do this conversation. Goes to New England, okay.
Goes to Carolina, okay. Comes to Indianapolis, perfect setup, and he's at the perfect time of his career.
So there are some people that maybe need to find their spot and go off. It's like, but there's going to be guys that we don't expect to be Hall of Famers, Hall of Famers out here.
Oh, yeah. And you talk about Tyler Warren.
It's like, wasn't he there? He was there. He was everything.
He was their offense. Yes, yeah.
They didn't have wide receivers. I wonder why or what the convo is going to be about him, especially with the importance of a tight end in an offense.
Yes. I mean, if you look at how important that position has become to the sport of football, it feels like the tight end should get a lot of shine, which today, big day for that.
Okay, speaking of things that would no longer shine, the chains. Oh, no.
Yeah, chain gang is back up officially and dead. Good.
Mad Mel, we're about to have a moment of silence for the chain gang. Ah, fuck it.
Chain gang sucks. What? Now, listen, if we're watching Leatherheads, you know, if guys have leather helmets on or we're going back to the 1960s, sure.
The only thing that we heard about the chain gang in the last couple years was when one of these guys who was overweight and probably shouldn't have been on the field, you know, not in good shape, would have like a horrific leg break. That was the only time we were talking about the chain gang.
Or, you know, if it was, here we go. Yeah, that's, I mean, what the hell? This is a billion dollar, multi-billion dollar league, and we're getting a chain link fence and bringing it out.
Like, what the hell are we doing? Don't we have the technology where we can finally move past this? Well, the strength of the chain is obviously the strength of each individual link. And every once in a while, when one link starts dosing with another link, it causes an absolute logistical nightmare on un-knodding the chain.
Now, I do believe it has lost a lot of its luster since this man retired, Gene Steratore. Yinzer Paisani said, listen, that tip of the bowl is passed.
That's a first down. I'm sorry about it.
In the grin of walking away from this, he thought to himself, I'm a genius. Nobody else has done this.
Everybody's wondering defense, offense. I don't know.
I don't know. I know.
I know. Hey, Jack, you're going to be coaching in Europe, pal.
A little bit of a dust up here. First time, Jason Garrett goes, hey, how about it? How about it?

Now, the issue with it all is, and that's a tush-push play there that is also being discussed, obviously, at the entirety.

But a little bit deeper into this tush-push play is the spotting of the ball.

Okay?

How are they going to spot the ball?

Well, they said that they're going to use some sensor now. Okay? So, chain gang's out.
They're going to use some sensor. This was pitched last year.
Hawkeye Tech. I assume this was pitched a decade ago.
But last year, it was actually put onto the field of play. And the only reason why we know this is because I've been an avid, hey, this can't be in 2024 how this goes.
We can't be just judging things off of us. We can send a FaceTime.
You can send a thing up to a satellite, and then it can just send over someone, and we can just see people in 8K somehow. Okay? I have no idea how that.
We can create, AI can think of anything, and we can't figure out where the hell the ball is without bringing this thing out. I respect and appreciate it as a backup.
If there's a malfunction in something, but there has to be some sort of technology that is able to actually document. Not only first downs, touchdowns, you talk about everything.
Punts even helps out. Where'd the ball go out of bounds? There's just so many things.
Field goals, if it's up over top of the post where's that i mean so many things that if we could figure out that technology what you would assume you could and then the people from tennis hawkeye came in and said we got you we're gonna figure it out we need cameras down the lines we need a camera moving now and then we'll be able to do it we're celebrating these people okay we had mackinroe on mackinroe from the tennis community said, oh, Hawkeye technology now, that adds in a whole other element. We said, what's that? And he said, well, tennis players say that with their eyes, best in the world, these tennis players, they look down with their eyes and they clearly see that the ball is out of bounds.
So they challenge it, which is why Hawkeye happens. And then Hawkeye goes, oh, and then boom, hits the end of the thing.
And the tennis player is like, that's not real. Like, I literally just saw it.
Now, granted, heat of the motion, maybe a little bit of blur, maybe sweat drips in the eye, maybe you miss it, whatever the case is, maybe Hawkeye's right. But this adds in a whole other element of rigged conversations that are on its way that we didn't know was happening in tennis with the Hawkeye technology, but there are tennis players that are like, oh, the league is working against me right now.
The league wants this person to win. Like there's people that think Hawkeye works against them.
So whenever Hawkeye gets the NFL, we're excited, but we are precautious. Sure.
Then it debuted and it was crap. Okay.
Absolute crap. It was a preseason game.
Detroit Lions throw. Whoa, what a ball.
What a catch. Gorgeous.
Keep the clock rolling here. Second quarter, obviously.
Kennedy makes a great catch. They show a replay.
From the beginning of the play now, we're 35 seconds in this. Obviously, 45 seconds into this thing.
Everybody, now, I assume commentary is chit-chatting about it, but they haven't shown it on there. They're trying to figure out where the hell the ball was.
Okay, was it a first down? Was it not a first down? We got this new Hawkeye technology. The Central will be able to tell us.
Dan Campbell goes, Hawkeye, where are we? Because on tennis, we turn up, look at the screen, and you go, oh, boom. It's immediate.
We could have got people with 14 different eyes and chain gang out on the field to the other side. Maybe they have run a gasser.
We're still waiting. It's three minutes and 16 seconds later.
319, all on air, first of all, and then boom, it's short.

It's like, okay, I guess that's good.

Three minutes and 30 seconds.

Can't have that.

So that is longer than the chain gang.

So if we're going to bring in this technology, all we hope is that it's more efficient because the bitching about reviews and the bitching about everything else

all revolves around the game stopping and other stuff happening. So as as this can be efficient and accurate we're all in and i think everybody will be all in but they can't have that roll out week one with this whole entire situation comment and they know that they have to know that because they scrapped it quickly after that yes they scrapped it very quickly after that and that's why it does feel as though they've had to have some sort of progression between that dog shit and then where they are now because they wouldn't just throw the chain gang out without knowing like hey what the product we have now it's going to be quick it's going to be much better you're going to be able to tell it within a little 10 second period but hopefully that the chain gang is done forever i still think we should line up old guys so they can get obliterated by people on the field.
Their knees and stuff. They'll still be there.
And I still think we should have a job for the older folks with the league. Sure, sure.
You know, and the entire thing. Because some of those guys are 89 years old.
They ain't got nothing. Literally, they're just coming to the chains.
They'll be there. They're going home, and they're trying to get back to doing the chains.
And the change served its purpose in the NFL and in football as a whole, and we appreciate them. But just like everything, robots are coming.
This man seems like a robot, has an answer for everything. Oh, yeah.
Business, strategy, inspiration, advice, football. The general manager for the North Carolina Tar Heels, Michael Lombardi.
Yeah, Lambo. Look at those shoes.
They're shivering. They're shivering.
I love that. I love that, Mel.
That's awesome. Felix Mutual, Lambo.
You were good at purple yesterday, by the way. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Wow, you did see the plum suit that was attacked by Tyrese.
I loved it. Who attacked it? Tyrese Halliburton.
It's his birthday today. Oh, actually, his birthday is tomorrow.
It's Leap Day. I appreciate you clapping for him because he does deserve it he's a leap day baby so it's only four years cheated out of that weirdo so happy birthday tyrese that guy doesn't have as many birthdays everybody else kind of a bummer but uh how are we doing happy birthday to the new north carolina tar heels you have a brand new general manager head coach operation in the football department We're great.
We're doing good. You know, we're just, we've been a dead period.
So we had a chance to get the players in, work out, do all that stuff. So it's been great.
Yeah. We set up our recruiting for 2006, which is everybody's ahead of it.
And it's been great. You got to watch a lot of high school tapes, seen some really cool high school stadiums, seen some bad high school stadiums.
I mean, Texas, I got to tell you, Texas high school football. Oh man, those stadiums are incredible.
We need a little bit more of those in some other cities, but it's been great. I think the game will continue to do that in other places, and there's a lot of great high school states, obviously Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, Louisiana, I think has some great, South Carolina, and I'm sure there's other states that I am missing.
Montana's got some guys. Montana's got some guys.
We watched a kid from Idaho the other day. It was great, yeah.
So you're loving it? You're loving the process? I absolutely love it. It's great.
You know, everybody says, well, how are you dealing with it? It's different than pro football in the sense that, you know, you have to work three boards. You've got 07, you've got 28, you've got 26.
You're dealing with that, the portal. But it's a lot of fun, and it's the same thing.
When I worked as a GM, everybody wanted more money. Everybody lied.
It's the same two things that happened. Everybody wants more money, and everybody lies.
So it's good. Let's talk about that process of you being an NFL general manager.
You're back at the combine. I know you just landed.
Thank you for making time. No, I love it.
Will you be able to stick around with us after the break too? Sure. Okay, sweet.
So you'll be able to talk to us next hour. We'll get a little bit more Lombardi-Conville.
But you come to the combine. Is it glory days for you thinking about the NFL stuff? Or what are you here doing right now specifically? Well, there's so many people here.
There's so many contacts that, you know, from my time in the league that you want to reconnect with because they're going to have players too, you know, in terms of whether what happens with the portal. So you want to be able to – really it's about maintaining the relationships you've had with these agents that I haven't had since I was doing media.
So I want to reconnect with them. And everybody's here at this place at one time.
I had a bunch of fundraisers to go to this week for our North Carolina folk and so I couldn't get here until today but that's the best thing. This is the best meeting place for everybody.
I mean there's more action happening at the hotels when I worked in the league than I was actually on the field. Okay so let's talk about that a little bit more.
Matt Rule said that the general manager for his team, the Nebraska, when he was with us yesterday, he said, I'm here and he is currently meeting with the agents and stuff. And it's the same agents or NFL guys that there is for high school guys? Pretty much.
You know, it's the same. It's very reminiscent of the time.
They may have a guy that wants to enter the portal. Who knows? Everybody's talking hypothetical situations situations but you have to have a relationship with the agent to understand when you're talking to them on the telephone what you're dealing with and and a lot of these guys i have from my time in the league but there's a lot of new agents that you don't know and you need to kind of maintain that relationship and see if you can because you got to get a sense of it it's easier to to to have a conversation with somebody after you've met them we.
We need you to get introduced to Money Team Ed. Oh, yeah.
Money Team Ed. He's Aaron's guy.
He was the guy on Joe Shane Hardnock's phone call that was on the other side. Ed, it says on the captions.
Okay. That is he.
Young lad, strapping lad. Good beard.
He's good beard. Good dude.
Does good business. Does good business.
I could tell on that call. Ed wasn't going to give Joe a shot at another thing.
I could tell on that call. You could hear by the tone.
Yeah, me too. You guys also heard it too.
You knew it. Okay, so let's talk about the Hard Knocks offseason.
It is tweeted by Ari Mirov, I do believe, at MySportsUpdate. He is a grinder.
Ari Mirov is an absolute grinder whenever it comes to aggregating and finding news. per sports report, Bill Belichick and UNC will be featured this offseason for the Hard Knocks offseason season.
Okay, so we loved what the Giants allowed us to see. I think all of us did.
We all chatted about it. There was a lot of things learned because it was our first time ever watching that entire process, and there was a lot of things said.
You guys have it this year. Is that accurate? You guys got a great relationship with NFL Films.
It would make sense, too, with how college ball is becoming pro ball at this exact time. I think there's a lot of conversations going on right now about that.
I think we've had a lot of offers from people all over to have us come in and look at our program and kind of do the behind the scenes things i don't think anything's yet been official or signed to it uh to make it happen don't let saquon go who would it be would it be yeah don't don't do that would it be you would you be you negotiating that or who's making that no that would be the university and and we got to make you know when you're dealing with the university and the brand that we have at north carolina which is incredible you got to make sure sure that everything's done right. All the T's are crossed.
And obviously, Bill has been talking to different people. They contacted all of us here.
And Bill's been sorting it out. So you're saying there's definitely a conversation happening.
You guys in NFL Films know each other very, very, very, very well. I mean, that's very well documented.
It's a tremendous place. Agreed.
And so they do an incredible job. But I don't think it's official to be where it's at the point where we can say we're going to do it.
If we do do it, the idea of doing it is to let people examine what we're doing and see people take a look at the 33rd team in the NFL on how we're building this program and what we're trying to accomplish. And I think it'll give an accurate portrayal.
I've often said, if you're going to do hard knocks, you got got to let people know you know what you're doing because people are going to look at you and people are going to judge you and what you know and you've got to really be able to teach a class it's a good idea though recruits watching too parents watching too all that yeah we got like mel has to teach a class on how to scout we got to teach a class on how this all happens and so that's what that would be the intent and let people know look you know there's not many times that you can have the greatest coach of all time take you into a meeting yeah i agree and if we were able to get access to your entire thing where you were building a personnel department scouting department bill's doing his thing you guys are going to high schools recruiting how does that go conversations. We'd all be very intrigued by it.
But I also think the college football, like, either transfer portal guys or high school guys or parents would obviously watch that. Like, when you come on here, and you know, you're an incredible good businessman.
But when you come on here and you talk, I think whenever people, the more they hear you, the more they're like, I want to go there. I met some UNC kids that were carryovers from maybe the last roster or whatever.
And they were at a Monday Night Raw, I think, in Charlotte. I think they were up there in Charlotte.
They came to the Monday Night Raw. And I talked to them.
And I said, hey, you're going to be dealing with Michael Lombardi. Now, Bill Belichick, obviously greatest of all time.
But you're going to be with Michael Lombardi. Utilize him as a resource.
Okay? Like, use him as a resource. He's a person that I use as a resource.
He has a wealth of information on so many things. So when you're talking about becoming a man and leaving college and being a better person, like your experiences are all like a weapon as well.
I think personally for the right people that are looking for that type of stuff. I appreciate that.
But that's our job is to take these kids from being, everybody thinks college football is amateur. It's no longer amateur.
They're all getting paid some form of compensation. And the key is to teach people how to become no longer an amateur to become a pro.
You know, that's the key. When you wake up in the NFL in your first year as a rookie, you have to learn how to be a pro.
And if you don't know how to do that, you get caught behind. Yeah, I think so.
And I think that's why you guys have such a head start. Like when Bill came on and we talked to him about going back to North Carolina and we're like, you're going to hate that, aren't you? And he's like, we've done all this before.
It's NFL. You guys are treating it like an NFL operation.
So it'd be a great hard knocks. Whoever gets it and whoever does it, we can't wait to watch.
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Combine! It is a magical time for the NFLfl for our city of indianapolis and for stories to blossom or end in the nfl and in the football world as a whole i'm not here alone no no we got a great group of dudes live from the balcony the lobby the concourse here at luc Oil Stadium. Absolutely magnificent setup all week.
We can't thank everybody enough for being a part of this. From Craig and Isaac, from the CIB of Indianapolis, the City Improvement Board, who are the people that work directly with the NFL.
Shout out to McCarthy, Carly, Jeff. You know, had some obstacles that were certainly, you know, there was a lot of that from all parties, made some magic happen.
And then the entire crew that set everything up. And I know we've been shouting out Scott and everything like that.
But whenever you talk about everybody that went into making this happen, we can't thank you all enough. I think it's been a magical few days.
It's been fun to be able to catch up with all old teammates and friends and old coaches and meet new people that obviously I've been a fan of. Wink Martindale was in here yesterday because he was watching his boys.
And then I got the chance to meet D-line coach Esposito and the entire crew there. It was like, nice to meet you guys.
Nice to meet you guys. People I'd heard of, but hadn't got a chance to really meet in person.
I've done it here. So I'm very thankful that we've been here for the past three days.
And it's been a beautiful kickoff to the offseason. The toxic table looks a little different today.
Okay, and please send your T's and P's to Ty Schmidt, who has missed two days in a row. I wonder if the Iowa guy has forgotten a work ethic.
It's at Boston Conner, and it's Mad Mel Kiper. Mad Mel, I know you have high, high praise from Michael Lombardi.
Joining us, the general manager of the UNC Tar Heel football team. Without a doubt, one of the few guys who, you know, has always shown me a great deal of respect.
I obviously respect him. He is my GM.
I feel like he kind of got blackballed, you know, towards the end of his career in the NFL. This guy's the GOAT, okay? So if, you know, you're in an NFL building and you have any ill will or malice towards this guy, you can kiss my ass as well.
So that's kind of how I feel about my party. Really? Oh, yeah, without a doubt.
Okay. I went to the bathroom and came back.
Mad Mel, thank you for that kind of layout of it all. And I would like to echo that sentiment.
You know, I didn't know that that was potentially needed to be said, but we do say that. Hey, Lumbo, we love you, buddy.
I love you, Lumbo. I appreciate it.
I love you guys, too. I really appreciate everything you've done for me.
It's been a blessing, really. No, you help us out.
Let me tell you, Lombo, about how we truly feel about you. Okay? Doing a daily show.
Yeah. Three hours.
Sometimes we go four. Sometimes we go two and a half.
Sometimes we go five. Okay? So it's like, whenever you do that, lucky to do it.
Thankful to do it. Okay? But there but there's some days where man we should not be

taking anybody's time like nobody should spend their time with us today so we try our best to like show respect for people who show their attention to us or enjoy their day alongside of us we try our best and there's some days where it's just like there's not this is crap like we We cannot, this is not good.

And everybody's first thought is,

Lombo.

And what you have done for our program, and you don't even know this, I assume, on days where there is real anxiety for me, maybe 15 minutes. Not a lot of news.
Like 15 minutes before the show starts. And in my head and body, having real anxiety, like today's the day where people realize that they need to stop watching this program.
We send a text or a call to you, and you have never said no to us. And any time you come on, anything we ask you about, could be business, could be quotes from the past, could be about war strategy, could be about football, could be about anything, you have, like, a phenomenal – and you're an hour eater.
That is – It's awesome. Hey, we got an hour eater in Lombardi.
compliment you could pay to someone from us so that is how we feel about you we absolutely love you I appreciate that that's very nice of you and I appreciate being on this show because it really helped my career it sold me, sold books which I really appreciate how that goes when you're in the book business but yeah it's been tremendous i mean i love doing this i really do i know chuck wanted to go back but i know there's part of chuck that still likes this and still likes doing this yeah chuck's not gonna be able to stop by i don't think in his new position you enter the cone of silence when you go in there yes i understand that well uh one half of the hammer dot cowboys turn digs is here and obviously lombo knows everything about the combine what do people need to know about what happened yesterday at the combine and what's happening today at the yeah yesterday there was a few guys a handful of guys who who really stood out shamar stewart being the the first one being you know six five two seventy jumped 40 inches broad 10 11 for ran the four six basically the the same numbers as miles garrett when he came out actually there's only there's only four guys in the history of the combine who weighed more than 260 and jumped 40 inches it was mario williams miles garrett shamar stewart yesterday and also landon jackson yesterday who also is above 260 and did the 40 inch for yesterday but i wanted to ask lombo a a question off of that. So Shamar Stewart has all those numbers, has the 10 RAS grade, the RAS grade or whatever.
RAS. That's crazy.
But he only had four and a half sacks in his college career. As a GM, do you go back? Do you obviously have to go back and be like, all right, why did that happen? Or how do you evaluate someone who is just an athletic freak but didn't necessarily have the production he should have had to match that? He was a great player, but just not.
That's the hardest thing to do is because you have to take some of these positions that everybody thinks are all athletic positions and break them down into instinctive positions, right? To rush the passer is an instinctive position. You can't run past the guy.
You've got to know when to transfer speed to power. You've got to be able to understand how to set up the tackle.
You've got to play smart. I was on the phone with a legendary NFL coach, and he was talking about...
Oh, I almost said the name there. And he was talking to me about...
Tuna. It was.
He was talking to me. I didn't want to name drop, but it was on the phone with Parcells.
It was just the greatest. Atta, baby, gone, man.
We know you, Rombo. The greatest phone call you can get is when you see Bill Parcells calls you.
It's the greatest. So, because you're going to learn something.
You're going to learn something. And for me, it just makes me so happy.
So, he was talking to me about Jumbo Elliott and how he became a left tackle. And they drafted him.
Everybody said it was a right tackle. So he went to Lawrence Taylor and said, hey, Lawrence, I'm going to put Jumbo over at left tackle.
You tell me if this guy can play. First day goes by, Lawrence doesn't say a word.
Second day goes by, Lawrence grabs him and says, he's the real deal. He's tough.
He's got a nasty disposition. He's got great balance, all those things.
And he's smart, and you can't beat him twice. Key word, you can't beat him twice.
He knows how to set up his rush. He knows how to handle somebody.
And there's instinctive positions in football. The reason I tell that story is because there's instinctive.
And so when you see these guys with great athletes or great ten times, you want to say, oh, we can make them into something. But there's an element of instincts that go into this, right? It's like, don't tell me about a receiver that can run fast and hasn't had any production.
They've got to come together, right? You can make all the excuses in the world. Well, he didn't get the ball.
He didn't. No, receivers, look at A.J.
Brown, didn't run great. Look at Debo Samuel, didn't run great, right? But they're great players.
Okay, so on that note about running great, there is seemingly, and we got the secondary here today, there is certain positions that if they run a certain time, though, it's over, right? Like corners, one of them, you can't be a 4-6 corner, 4-5 corner. Well, it depends on your arm length.
If you're a 4-4-5 corner, you're a 4-5 corner, and you've got arm length, that arm length is going to make up for that little bit of difference of lack of speed you have. How good are you at the line of scrimmage? Are you a second 20 guy or are you a first 20 guy? Can you burst for the first 20? Are you losing speed as you're running? And I think more than any position, corner's instinctive.
You've got to be able to jump off of one foot at a corner. You've got to be in balance to jump to make the play on the ball in the air.
And you've got to have the sense to redirect. We've seen a lot of corners that run 4-5-5 that play a long time in the NFL because they're instinctive, they understand, they can read the route, they know when to break and anticipate things.
So, yeah, I think to me you just can't go by that 40. You don't think there's like a disqualifier in the 40 for a corner position? Even in the modern day, somebody said they're going to run – Bond of Texas said he might run a 4-1-9.
I've never seen that before in my life. Yeah, I've never seen it before, but maybe he can do it with the training and all that.
But I do think the ball in the air, okay, you've got to play the ball in the air. No matter how fast you are, you've got to be in balance when the ball's in the air.
It's like watching the NBA players. If they can't shoot off of one foot, they can't play.
If they can't rebound off of one leg, they can't play. And so it's a little bit like defensive backs.
You've got to see their balance. Tone, tell me about the tire.
Tell us about the tight ends that are performing today and the tight ends in this particular draft class because I think this is a good question for Lombo Madmel about the importance of that position. And like we saw what Brock Bowers did last year.
Why aren't any of these, you know, being chatted about? Is it because Abdul and Travis are so different? Yeah, so they're talking about the tight end class being one of the deepest, you know, tight end class in a long, long time. Obviously, Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland out of Penn State and Michigan.
They're not going to do anything today. Arroyo out of.
Because you can't live in shotgun on fourth and inches and try to hand the ball off, right? I agree. your team has no toughness if you can't run the football and you got to have tight ends that tight ends to me have always been the knight in the chessboard they do so many different things you need them and so i i like for when you build like who's the queen yeah well the queen's the quarterback right you know well who's the king well the coach doesn't coach and gm Because they're the last one to fall.
Yeah. Yeah, it's probably the coach and the GM.
Checkers. I've been doing an exercise.
So we have our board of our 26 class of all of them. And then who are the top 30 players on your board? We have 225 names on our board.
Who are the top 30 offense? Who are the top 30 defense? And it forces you to say, how do you want to build this team?

How do you want to build North Carolina's team?

If we could get these 30 players,

this would be great.

And it's a good tight end.

There's a lot of good tight ends in America,

as there are,

because the tight end position is evolving.

They're not all playing basketball now.

And so it gives you so much versatility

because the object of football

is to substitute without substituting. That drives people crazy.
So when you can have a tight end like Gronk who can go out and catch a ball at receiver, and then you have another tight end who can line up on the line. I mean, Tony Gonzalez was really good, but when he had Jason Dunn as the blocker with Tony Gonzalez as the move guy, they became a dynamic offense in Kansas City with Trent Green.
And so you need those kind of guys. And the tight ends give you that versatility, which makes you so much better.
You know, Brock Bowers is great. Now, if the Raiders had another blocking tight end to go with them, now how do you match up to that? So now they're really in 12, but they're really in 11 because Bowers becomes a nightmare problem for the slot receiver.
So you need to be a nickel, but you're in 12. But you're in 12, but they can block and they can run strong side and they can run weak side.
See, everybody says they line up one of these receivers that can't block and play them as the third receiver. Well, they can't block anybody.
The defense knows they're not running the ball weak side, so they know they're going to only run the ball one way. Well, they took Mare the year before that, so I assume Chip is going to do something like that.
He's got a great advantage. They work perfectly together.
And when you have that combination, like the Steelers have Friermuth, right? He's one of the few on the line wise that can threaten the seam. So now if they had another motion guy to go along with the way Arthur Smith calls offenses and the way they run, assuming they get a quarterback and all those things, now you've got an offense that can substitute without substitute.
You mentioned some goats there. Tony Gonzalez, obviously, Thursday Night Football, we see him now.
He has highlights galore and changed the game from the tight end position. Congrats to him on everything in its entirety.
Then he mentioned, obviously, Travis. You didn't mention Travis, but we'll talk about Travis Kelsey.
To your point about blocking, Travis Kelsey felt obligated to get better at blocking as he got older because he thought he could be an asset to the offense in a different fashion. There was a couple of big-time touchdowns that Patrick Mahomes scored where Travis Kelsey is lead blocking and, like, actually up in there.
I feel like he thinks that's a big deal. You mentioned Gronk, though.
Can you talk about how Gronk was just like he was a tackle and he also was a wide receiver? Watching him, he was – I mean, he didn't get to play as long obviously with injuries but whenever you're that big strong athletic and great at football I assume injuries are going to follow you like that is gonna that's how your career is going to go and I think he probably knew that especially going in or whatever and maybe he didn't maybe thought he could defy it but just like law of averages with the amount of hits he took with how big he was and how he played football was like this this isn't going to be a 15-20, but it is going to be a – and he was. He was special, man.
He really was. He tilts the field in his favor.
You guys are probably too young to remember Mark Bovaro. Bovaro had a short career because of a knee injury.
Bovaro was one of the most talented players I've ever seen. He could dominate the end of the line.
He could block Lawrence Taylor, rare, and then he could go down the seam and catch the ball I mean he was remarkable and Gronk is a lot like Bavaro was because he could play at the end of the line but he could also run receiver routes now Gronk wasn't you had you had Dallas Dallas another guy I've thought but I love everything about Dallas Clark Iowa his juice, his competitive spear, everything about Dallas. His quickness was so good, right? Where Gronk was more of an over-route, out-cut guy.
It was a long, it was deeper routes for Gronk. Not that he couldn't catch shorter routes, but Clark was really good at winning third-down routes.
Gronk was good at winning down-the-field routes, and it was hard to cover. Because, again, to quote the great Bill Parcells even when he was covered he was open yeah yeah and speaking of that man um cheese cheese bring it in ring of honor member oh there he is wow oh yeah that was cool that looks great yeah he's a ring of honor congratulations This is.
Congratulations, Dallas. There's a quarterback suite? The slow zoom out.
Yeah, that's quarterback suite. Dallas obviously earned that with his years of great football, both at Iowa where he was a linebacker, I believe, for a bit.
And then we are right behind that particular camera right there. But the tight end position is a beautiful one.
If you have a great one and Peyton Man Manning, obviously, with Dallas, did magical things. But you had Marcus Pollard, too, who could play on the line.
Why? Pollard was before me, so I never got a chance to watch him work. But you're 100% right.
The tight end position is beautiful. But you had Kobe Fleener and then what's the name? Dwayne Allen.
Yeah. Dwayne Allen.
Dwayne Allen was a tackle. Right.
But he won another shoot ball with us in New England. Yes.
Because he could line up and play on the line. Great, when I say great, Dwayne Allen was great.
I enjoyed Dwayne Allen. Were they? Same draft class, yeah.
Third and fourth round, I think. One out of Clemson, one out of Stanford.
Kobe drafted before Dwayne. And then Dwayne got there, and he was just like a grown man.
He put his mitts on, and he was just like, and that's it. You ever get any locker room fights? I was going to say, didn't him and Pat Anger have a little tussle in the locker room? I don't know what you're talking about.
The butt naked bra? I thought that might have it once or twice. Pat Anger put an arm bar on.
That's going to happen. Wasn't an arm, he says.
No, it might have been somebody. Dwayne's awesome.
Kobe Fliener, that was very much like a go-getter. I'm excited to see what these guys do.
Tyler Warren was the Penn State offense as a whole. Connor has a question for you, Lumbo.
So, one of the things Tone said, the depth of some of the positions in the draft, tight end, D-tackle, there's a few others. Does that hurt some of the, you know, middle to top guys that are, you know, maybe not like a Mason Graham who everyone has in the top five, but some of those guys that might be, you know, a little higher in the deep tackle draft, but because there is so much depth that teams might wait to take them just because they're not nervous.
And then Schefter said this on Wednesday. What does it mean? I forget.
Pat asked someone this yesterday as well, but what does it mean when the 10th pick is very similar to the 35th pick when you're evaluating guys? Well, so you grade every player, and every player gets assigned a grade. And what Adam is saying there is there's only 10 players who are elite, and everybody else is, for lack of a better term, in a cluster of players.
And the reason you trade down in a draft isn't because you just want to trade down. You don't have an image.
You have this impulse. It's because you're trading to a cluster.
You don't know who you're going to get, but you're trading to a cluster of grades that are all the same. So if you sit there and you don't get one of those 10 and you want to pick a defensive tackle and say you're picking 11th and I'm making this up and somebody offers you a chance to go to 23 and you still have five tackles to move down and they're all the same grade then you make that trade and so it's really just about the grades reflective of the board we get so Mel does this all the time which is very annoying by the way I want to say this I'm sure he's gonna have a question for you everybody it's very annoying when all we talk about is this guy's a first rounder this guy's the first rounder this guy's more of a third rounder that that's really meaningless because the verbiage has to be attached to the player what is the player going to do and so what adam's saying by there's only 10 guys that some teams think are immediate starters the rest are potential starters starters.
So when you put it in that category, Mel will get mad because you take a potential starter at 11, and you should have taken him at 28, but they're still potential starters. You have anything to say for yourself? Yeah, I mean, sometimes these teams are going to reach.
I'm going to have something to say about it, and that's why after the draft,, hey listen, you may think you had a great draft in my eyes. I'm going to slap a C- on you because I've got a C.
I've got to see the proof in the pudding. Lombo, I did want to ask you about something that drives me nuts.
It's been happening more so in years past. Guys opting out to do the on the field stuff.
We had Dickario on the other day, and he basically said, listen, you can't put too much stock in the on-the-field stuff anyway. It's not like a guy's going to go out there and he's going to be a fifth-rounder.
He's going to go through the drills and then boom, he's a second-rounder. He's a first-rounder.
But do you think this is a trend that we're going to see more so in the next couple of years where this is basically going to turn into interviews and medical, and we're going to have more of these guys say, hey, listen, my tape's out there. You can watch what I did in college.
I'm not going to do the on-the-field stuff. And as a GM, how much does that affect kind of your evaluation of a player? Well, you know, it's still a game of football, so you still have to watch them play, and I think that's the most important aspect.
I mean, we in college recruiting, we don't have the combine. So we have to use basketball.

We have to use track and field.

We have to use other sports to kind of use as a reference to check their athleticism

and to truly test how fast they are because it's hard to see based on the level of comp

if they're really fast.

But, I mean, this trend has been going on for a long time, guys opting out.

And we get it.

And the agents do a good job of coming.

You come to the campus.

You work the guy out. I've often said to to me and this would have to be collectively bargained is if you don't work out at the combine then you have to come back to indy and then you have to take another drug test to make sure that everything's clear because what you don't want to see is any the guy doesn't work out at the combine he doesn't test positive performance enhancement drugs drugs.
He goes home for five weeks. He gets that going, and you can't test him again until June, and now all of a sudden you've been duped.
I didn't even think about that. If you're Mel, Mel's biggest mistakes and my biggest mistakes have been when guys have gotten drafted, when the word steroids probably was the reason

why they got drafted.

I don't know if nowadays it's as much,

but there's certainly science that people have right now.

We had an era.

Tony Bandridge.

I got sent to the library by Coach Walsh to do a report on steroids

because we had no idea what steroids were.

What year is this about?

1985.

There was a defensive tackle from Boston College. I won't mention his name.
Sure, we can figure it out. 1985 defensive tackle.
Yeah, yeah. See, now there's a lot more.
The people suspected that he may be enhanced. Sure.
But we didn't even know what that word was. We didn't even understand it.
We had no idea. So I had to go.
I literally wrote a book report on – I can still remember writing it, all the drugs. I mean, it was probably the biggest book report.
I was just out of college. I didn't do anything like that in college my whole career.
So I was pretty proud of it. But, you know, you get duped on it.
You get duped on it. You just, you don't know.
What was that documentary? Icarus. Icarus.
Have you ever seen Icarus? Yeah, I have. I've watched that.
That Russian doctor scientist piss guy was... I'll give you another one.
There's a school and I'm not going to mention the school's name that was reproducing NFL players for a very small school at a high rate. Right? And you as an executive in the league and all of a sudden this small school in a big state is producing a lot of guys you're saying wait a minute something's going on in a gym there somewhere right i mean you that's what you get paid to do that's hilarious right you you started doing descriptors in a very small school started producing a in a small school in a big state starts producing i thought i didn't know how many more you're going to get into there until i just guessed what school that was.
We don't hear any of that really much anymore. The performance enhancing stuff that we hear about usually is Adderall always, because the NFL never says what it is though.
So players are always the ones that have to self-admit. That's why the guys who say like, I got Hornigot weed at the gas station and I think it was tampered.
I didn't know that. So I'm out for four weeks.
There's guys that give, like, used to at least give those types of excuses. Then there's people that have tainted supplements.
I took a supplement, but it wasn't on the bottle, which is real. Somehow supplements do not can just omit some things because they're not, I don't think they're FDA regulated.
So it's just like in the NFL's policy is you know what you're putting in your body. It's like sometimes you don't.
So that excuse has one that has garnered some attention over the years. But nowadays we don't really hear about it much, right? I don't think we hear about it much anymore.
No, I think a lot of guys know that there's the European element. You can go to Europe and some of these drugs that are not FDA approved.
So you're saying yeah wait a minute it's still happening yeah well i think look look if what's at stake and i don't think i'm not accusing anybody of wrongdoing what's at stake is a lot of money i mean this cap is at what 275 million 80 right it's a huge there's a huge investment you have to make in your body and and you know you've got've got to do that. Ladies and gentlemen, we have some breaking news out of Los Angeles, California.
Matthew Stafford, who met with the Rams this morning and was potentially going to field offers from other squads because he only has $4 million guaranteed left on his contract next year, allegedly was asking for a good amount of money. He's staying with the Los Angeles Rams.
Wow. It was a good meeting this morning.
McVay and Matthew Stafford, we assume, and Les Snead as well, met with Matthew this morning in their facility. Who knows what was discussed? Who knows what the deal will be at this exact moment? But what appears to be a statement of, yup, from the Los Angeles Rams is Matthew Stafford staying in LA.
Rapp is reporting that he ends up taking less than he would have gotten elsewhere to stay with the Rams. Okay, so we thought that was certainly going to be something that happens.
Hometown discount's a real thing, especially at this stage of life. His family has their friend group.
He already has everything kind of sorted. His resume is already in place.
So to pick up uproot and head elsewhere was going to cost some money. I assume the Rams knew that, which might be why they offered him a low deal to begin with.
They offer him a low deal and say, all right, if you want to go see somewhere else, and then they find out what the market is and that they're able to make what is considered a fair deal to keep them living. Is that how you view it? Yeah, I think what they did was they said, look, we don't agree.
Why don't you go see what your market is and come back to us? And literally, because we're not in free agency, he had to come back to them. Yeah.
Right? And so this wasn't the Joe shame where Joe had, you know, really was in free agency. So, you know, then he comes back.
And now all of a sudden, do you move? Do I take $10 million less to stay here, and I have to move?

And by the time you add everything up?

And I think from the Rams' point of view is it gave them time to say,

okay, where do we get our next quarterback from?

Is it Stetson Bennett?

Is it somebody else?

You know, where do we go from here?

And I think, look, they got the ball on the, what, the 13-yard line?

They were the only game that the Eagles had.

Against the Eagles, yeah.

The only tough playoff game, let's be clear,

the only tough playoff game the Eagles had was that game.

And if they don't blow two protections,

where they don't block Jalen Carter for some reason and some way,

he's throwing the ball in the end zone.

And that guy's special.

He just threw it to you there, Puka.

And obviously Cooper is going to be gone,

but Sean McVay, we assume in his offense,

is going to be able to move the rock. You know the offense, too, already, which is another added thing about the money going elsewhere.
New offense, new system, new home, new life, new everything, new question marks, probably new gripes about things that are happening in that building. That's a lot of new, new, new, new, new.
So in his eyes, he thought it was going to have to be very, very expensive, and I think he thinks he should get paid because of how he's been playing football. And absolutely go ahead and do that.
So I'll be excited to hear. And he stayed healthy, which is key, right? I mean, this has been the key for Matthew is to stay healthy.
Durable. Right.
Durable. I mean, nobody throws the ball better than he does.
He still can throw the hell out of the ball and the teams that were interested in him need a quarterback. Okay.
So now that's the domino that falls. Los Angeles Rams are sticking with Matthew Stafford.
Matthew Stafford is off the board. Now we've got the Raiders, the Giants, the Steelers.
We've got to put the draft board up. We've got the number one overall team with the Titans.
Who's their quarterback going to be? You've got the number three overall pick with the Giants. Who's their quarterback going to be? You've got the number two overall pick with the Browns.
They're going to draft a young quarterback, could draft a young quarterback. Titans could draft a young quarterback.
It would make sense. Giants would draft a young quarterback.
It would make sense. Patriots locked in.
Jags locked in. Raiders could draft a young quarterback.
Jets could draft young quarter's... And you go all the way through there.

The Saints, Derek Carr, last year,

could if they were to. They allegedly met

with Cam Ward.

Niners good. Cowboys good.
Dolphins good.

Colts could draft young quarterbacks.

I mean, there is a lot of teams that could draft

a quarterback now that Matthew Stafford

is staying with the Rams.

If he would have won any of those teams, obviously that changes

the math a little bit, but a lot of teams need quarterback. How do you view that? I think about Sam Darnold, I'm pretty happy.
Okay. I think Sam Darnold's marketability just went up a little bit more, even though I'm sure he has a lot of teams after him.
Because who else are the Giants? Who else are you going to call? Who else is out there that you feel like at least you can watch the tape and say this guy did a hell of a job? You know, you can say, well, his jet tape wasn't good, but that was a lifetime ago, right? Speaking of jet tape, not good. Aaron Rodgers, we don't know what he's going to be doing.
Is he retiring? Is he coming back and playing? Our source, CIS, have told us that he's out of the country, you know, and we'll be on, I believe, the program next week. So I assume we'll learn a little bit more there.
But he's potentially in the market as well, currently.

Kirk Cousins potentially in

the market yet again. You know, there is a chance

that he is going to be out there. So a lot of these

veteran quarterbacks, I guess. Kirk Cousins will be interested

because he's going to get paid by the Falcons. So he's

a little bit like the Russell Wilson situation.

So he's going to be an economic value

for a team that thinks he still has something

left in him. Alright, Lombo, we're going to

slide you a little bit to your right.

Okay.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

is a man who is a friend of the program,

a sandbagging golfer.

An absolute gentleman, a lad of the lads, ladies and gentlemen, general manager of the Buffalo Beals, Brandon Bean. Hey, Brandon.
Brad Boat. Do you know Lomba Bean? How you doing? Good to see you.
Good to see you. Good, how are you? Mr.
Bain, how are we? Good to see you. Good work, Bruce.

Really good work.

You'll be right here.

Really good work all week, Bruce.

Way to go, Bruce.

That a baby, Bruce.

That a baby, Bruce.

Oh, that was from the truck.

That a baby.

That a baby truck.

That a baby truck.

Way to go, Bruce.

Way to pitch it.

Oh, no.

Can we get this over?

The more you can do, right?

Yeah, well, I brought it over there for him.

Make me look good.

I know it's tough.

No, no, no, it isn't.

You're a handsome lad. Young-looking lad.
Not as young as that Jaguars GM. Did you see that? Jimmy Coldstones.
Yeah, he's 22. Jimmy Gladstone.
Tommy Gladstone. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Listen, he could be a guy we have no idea. So let's lead into that.
The general manager world is interesting. Obviously, you've been a part of it, and now you are in the middle of it at the very highest level with the buffalo bills and you have officially drafted and developed uh nfl mvp okay congratulations how much of this combine this event is attributed to whether or not you're a good general manager is this like the ultimate test for a general manager in your eyes and how do you view this kind of event in looking at next season i think it's just a small piece.
I mean, the number one thing here is truly the medical, you know, that's, that's why this all started. But for me, the most important thing are the interviews that we get to do at night, just the first chance to kind of get to know the guys that behind the helmet and, and who they are, how they tick.
We've obviously done a lot of background, you know, we'll be, we call Mike a lot and ask him about his guys real soon. They're good, right, Mike, aren't they? All the guys.
But that's part of it. You're trying to dot the I's, cross the T's.
And then from here, obviously, the guys that are working out, you're kind of getting that first basis of 40s jumps, all that stuff. And then we're lining out our pro days, private workouts, and then the 30 visits.
So it's just one piece.

The medical thing is obviously huge.

You hear these stories of whether this guy's going to have to have a surgery or whatever,

which can affect their draft status.

Yeah, and the medical is interesting.

Do all of them have to do medical, or is it something that is – is medical like the only –

feels like nobody skips out on the medical, right?

Or am I wrong in that?

In general, I think there's been one or two.

But in general, they at least do that, which is important.

If you're going to come here and not do the medical, then you probably shouldn't show up. Well, and if you're going to pay somebody millions of dollars, you should at least know that what you're paying for is operable.
So let's talk about that. Abdul Carter, who's, some people are saying generational talent.
He, on like a Friday, or I don't forget the day, maybe Tuesday, maybe it was Monday, whatever the case, this guy's going to need surgery on his right foot or his foot, going to need a bolt in there eight weeks, or he can power through and showcase that he's tough enough. But it came across like medical has flagged him.
Then the next day it was like, actually, he's good to go. Is that as much as like one team flagging another team not or how does that normally go do you all get individual reads on people and scores on people when it comes to the medical how does that work from behind the scenes yeah so there's a conglomerate of the best docs physicians across our country all here and so it may be one physician from a team it may not be the buffalo bills it may be another may be another one that flags it.
These guys all look at it. They talk about it.
And they make recommendations to the player, himself. Then the agent may get involved.
The agent may have connections to a certain physician, send them out. There's going to be second.
On a guy like that, especially you're talking about a guy that's going to be potentially drafted at the top, there's going to be a lot of opinions opinions on it so i personally don't have anything from our physician yet on it but at some point you guys aren't in the coming weeks yeah i mean with abdul i'm just saying in general this happens this you guys straight up to one no no no no i was saying maybe it's really medically bad and he should probably fall to 30. oh Oh, yeah, you're saying hard.
Yeah, because there is a little bit of that gamesmanship. I'm not saying you guys would do it.
No, we'd never. But at this point, there is gamesmanship with, like, players and stuff, right? I mean, that happens.
We saw that with C.J. Stroud, remember? There was, like, a leaked one portion of a test that is just, like, one of, like, ten scores, found a negative one, leaked it.
This guy's a dipshit dipshit like there and then it turns out obviously he's not he goes on to do what he did his rookie year but there seems like there is stories that kind of get out there how do you kind of dodge duck dip dive and dodge to that and do you all just understand that it's happening you understand it's happening but you've got to make sure you have the people that you trust to make those decisions and if it's medical you're counting on your physicians and they understand you know how important it is especially when you're talking about drafting a guy as high as abdul carter in this case and maybe you know there's some guys that we may have a third round grade on and our doc may say hey i think this is a one contract player like he's got bad knee arthritis i think he can make it three or four years we may say well we're not going to take him in the third but if he fell to the fifth or the sixth what's the odds of a fifth six rounder two contracts to make it to the second contract so at some point take a swing and there's been many of stories of guys that have failed their physical and they've played into multiple contracts so at some point it's worth the risk yeah i imagine. I appreciate the gathering of the information and you also telling us all this information.
Now let's talk about your team right now. You got an NFL MVP, bro.
I know that's not the ultimate goal. No, it's not.
But as a GM, as an evaluator, as a scouter, you picked this guy. We saw what he was his rookie year.
But you're betting on not only the player but the human and the competitor and everything that Josh Allen is. And then from one year to the next, we watch him just become the prototype of what people are looking for.
That'd be a cool moment for you whenever Josh won the MVP legitimately, because you felt like a believer, I assume? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's obviously he had a non-traditional journey, junior college, emailing all these coaches to get a scholarship, gets one offer at Wyoming.
And then we know all the people that were questioning, you know, could he play quarterback at the NFL? And, you know, he drafted where he's drafted. He was criticized.
We were criticized for doing it. But he never wavered.
You know, he took to criticism. And, you know, he's always had that chip.
And just doing our research, this young man, you know, he had his chip, you his chip way before people were giving him reasons to have a chip. And he's got a chip now.
As excited as he was and honored to win the MVP, he knows and we know the ultimate goal is to bring a championship to Buffalo, and so that didn't remove any chip winning the MVP. Yeah, he works his ass off.
I think it's pretty obvious that he works his tail off because development from one year to the next is obviously spectacular and special. Lombo, you got any questions for Bean? Well, I mean, I think to me that his ability to be accurate, Josh, to everybody question whether that could happen.
I mean, having coach work for Coach Walsh, that was like, could he ever do that? Because his arm and all that talent was amazing and credit him and your organization for believing that he could do because that's usually something that doesn't happen but my question to you would be you know you're like a lot of teams that have been so close that kind of have to break through the threshold you know when you watch the Super Bowl what was your reaction to what do we have to do to break through the threshold yeah I mean ultimately I don't think you want to overreact naturally that game played out the way it did philly you know scored early and got a defensive touchdown and really allowed that philly pass rush to pin their ears back if that stays a one store a one score game longer maybe they're able to stay in it but philly you know you go back to how did tampa bay beat them you know during the covid year it was the same thingline got, you know, got after them. And so, you know, Sean and I both believe in building up front.
And, you know, whether it's the O-line and the D-line, obviously you've got to have a quarterback. So that's probably where, you know, we could always look to improve.
And we've tried. And, listen, I've got to do a better job there as well of making sure that I give us the weapons that we need.
It's just so hard, though, Pat.

It's hard to pick where he picks and stay good.

You know, it's just that the system's rigged against him.

You know, and when you have good players, your system's rigged.

You've got to have cap problems.

No, Belichick had a terrible drafting record, remember?

That's what everybody said, and you're picking at like 30. Right now they're saying 10 to 35 is all basically the same.
It's just hard. You're not going to find an elite three technique at 31.
I mean, it's going to be. 4-2, probably not going to exist.
Yeah, I mean, so it's a hard thing to do, especially when you're trying to get off. I mean, Howie's sitting there, and he got a defensive three technique just dropped in his lap, right? I mean, you know, he didn't miss it.
You had that, right, Mel? Without a doubt.

You know, I say, hey, best player on my board.

You know, you'd be an idiot not to take him, and

somehow, you know, the Eagles slide up and

get him.

Brandon, I did want to ask you a question, though.

Now, listen, this happened last year,

and I wonder if your philosophy has changed at all.

Obviously, you guys trade with the

Chiefs, you know, and they end up getting Xavier

worthy. To Lambeau's point, he was one of those guys.
4-2, 4-2 guy at that time, yeah. 4-2 was there.
Scored in the AFC title game. He did.
Now, and everyone obviously – Connor is a Patriots fan, as you know. I just thought I'd mention it.
Yeah, exactly. I thought I'd mention it.
But, you know, fans and people on Twitter are going to, you know, take pot shots at you and shit on you and say, hey, what are we doing? We can't beat the Chiefs, and we're trading with them and letting them get another guy. They got another guy who maybe we could have used.
Do you take any stock into that? Are you thinking at all on draft night, hey, we can't, these guys are calling, we can't trade with them because they're a team that we're going to see down the road in the playoffs. Does last year, does that put a sour taste in your mouth at all, or is that something where it's like, hey, guess what guy on Twitter? Go fuck yourself.
I'm the GM of this team and I know what I need to do to kind of put us in a position to win a Super Bowl. Yeah.
I mean, to me, you always what your first thing is, what is the best decision for the Buffalo Bills? And you can't worry. You don't have their draft board.
They're not calling you. And you understand anytime you trade, you trade pick that they could take the highest player on your board.
Like, how far do you want to go back? And so we just felt like we moved back, and then we moved back again. But we acquired a third-round pick out of that, and we did not have one.
So we got a defensive tackle in Dwayne Carter that played a lot of meaningful snaps. People look at it as they want to make a battle between Keon and Xavier.
And what I would say is it's OK if both players turn out to be good players in the NFL. And one player can fit one team better.
The other one can fit their system better. We're one year in.
I don't think you can ever decide whether a player is going to the Hall of Fame after one season or that he stinks. And all the glory to Xavier Worthy.
He did a nice job year one. We like Keon Coleman as well, and we're excited to get him where we did.
And time will tell if I'm an idiot or not. There's other reasons I'm an idiot, but time will tell.
Yeah, because he's sandbag on the golf course? Is that why? You think that's a reason? Well, I was going to say, he kind of stuck it up their ass with Shakir anyway, so it's like, hey, guess what? This guy's pretty good. Hey, congrats pretty good congrats on the new deal okay all right so obviously over the last couple seasons we've seen him come into oh who is this guy to oh this is a guy and obviously you think the same thing you paid him congrats on getting the deal done yeah no excited to get Khalil he's one of those guys that has become more of a household name year three but found him in the fifth round out of Boise a couple of seasons ago and late in his rookie year josh and him really started forming a rapport and then he actually led us his rookie year in receiving in the postseason that year and then we come into year two uh for him we we still had gabe we had steph and you know i thought we had a real good trio with those guys but we had a lot of confidence and gabe got paid we were you know we're happy for gabe you don't to lose him, and we made the decision we did with Steph, but a lot of that was the confidence that we had in Khalil and the guys that we were going to bring on board, and he did not do anything but give us more confidence, and we're excited to be able to extend him through 29.
Fifth rounder to signing that big deal. Congratulations, Khalil Shakir.
Legit, that's a big deal. Tying it back to the combine, great hosting.
Thank you. What did he show? You said fifth round you got him.
What did he show here or in the process that made you think that he could become a guy? Yeah, I think he's one of those guys, he's a sneaky speed. You know, we saw him at Boise.
He could play inside, could play outside. Really smart.
He was at the senior bowl. I thought he stood out down there the week I was down there in practice.
I don't remember what he did in the game, but in practice you could feel he's just one of those guys. He was always open.
And at Boise, when the ball was in his cylinder, his frame, he came down with it. He's reliable.
He's consistent. And so I think just what you saw on film plus every step of the way Senior Bowl combined.
And then when you interview the young man, he's got a quiet confidence. He's not going to boast boast and tell you how good he is he's just gonna you know he's a lunch pal he's he fits

buffalo you know you know perfectly yeah you have a great culture up there too keep building you

transition now into your new roster which you're going to have to do especially whenever you have

an nfl mvp in a very good amount of players you're going to have to figure out your next team your

next team obviously you watched new england have to do that for a long time 20 years they had like

four or five different teams there that were able to have success. The Chiefs are doing the same exact thing.
You guys are going to have to do that. Now, back to the original New England Patriots fan, Boston Connor has a question for you.
Yeah, yeah, and we'll see if you can do that. Not many can.
The Chiefs even can't, so, you know, no pressure. Don't worry about it.
Don't hold that standard that high because it's insurmountable. But to the point of, you know, rebuilding the roster, salary cap now $279.2 million, obviously massive number, highest of all time.
Is it a relief having that number kind of set in stone now and you can kind of make your projections of who you guys can sign, who you can bring in, what contracts you kind of need to change or is that already something you've been working on? And also you know knowing that you're paying josh a bunch of money does it help a lot now that we are all the way at you know damn near 280 million dollars at the cap yeah i mean it's listen in my seat you always want to go up as much as it can you know squeeze a few more in here you're looking under all these cushions for a couple of dimes and nickels but um yes we we always try to error you know as the at the end of the season when we're looking at the guys we want to extend or guys we're going to have to move on from we're kind of erring on you know we were in the kind of two low 270s as what we were figuring out what we're going to have to be at so then when last week we got the range of 277 to 281 and five i think and so And so to get this number, it really helps. We're obviously studying that.
We extended Shakir. So now is when you're having those conversations of guys on your roster that you want to extend.
Can you create space by extending a guy, restructuring his deal, or potentially moving on? Last year we had, as Pat was talking about, we had a year of transition. Everybody we knew.
Yeah. I still remember you FaceTiming me.
What are we doing? You just cut every player that I've ever known with the Buffalo Bills. I mean, what are we doing? It's not funny either.
I was still hurting over doing that. Yeah, I know, I know.
I didn't even think about you being a human. I didn't even think about you being a human.
I'm just like, this guy up here has got no soul. Hey, what are we doing we doing you're like yeah i know this is a tough day right now my wife's already yelling at me about it so but it's not easy that's part of the business and if you're going to be successful you're going to have to continue to do it excited to watch you take advantage of the lower end of those salaries of the 279.2 which is the rookies coming out of the draft tone has a question for you yeah mr being a question, a question and kind of a tidbit for you because last year we were at the owner's meeting.
We said, hey, it's a deep wide receiver class. You should take a wide receiver.
And then you did. Remember that? Remember that? Keep bringing all the advice.
This year, tight end, you're good there. Running back, you're probably good there.
Great pick out of Kentucky last year. Dude, he was much faster, I think, than I thought.
And he was able to take it.

Very good.

Yeah, he was.

Mel had it the whole way.

You knew it.

I thought it was a first round.

It's a great value getting where he got it.

And then de-tackle.

Thanks, Mel.

De-tackle this year.

Mad Mel.

Mad Mel, excuse me.

So I'm just saying probably with your pick, 30, was it 30?

Probably de-tackle this year.

So when you're looking yesterday, last night, you could probably go home today. I think you probably saw your guy last night.
And who is it? I don't know yet. We'll see.
Tell me who's there, and I'll tell you. Who are the tackles? What's his name out of Oregon's? Oh, Harmon.
Derek Harmon. Okay, so you know him better than us.
Thanks. Why don't you tell us? Well, I would hope I know him better than you.
Well, let's go then. That's why you're on the show.
I know we got mad mail, so I respectfully say that. Yeah, I respectfully say that.
National champion Ohio State he tackles probably in that range. Michigan, Mason.
Alfred Collins. Yeah, Kenneth Grant's in that area.
So, you know, just a couple. Just get them all down to me and let me pick the best one.
What do you think of this draft class thus far, though? The depth of it, to his point, is in a couple different positions, allegedly. At your position, normally going to be taking need, not necessarily best available at like 30-whatever.
Best and? Yeah, you want it to marry. Yeah, yeah, obviously you want it to be the best.
If that position of need has a crop top end, can't do it. Okay, we got to go somewhere else.
But if the position of need has a crop top end can't do it okay we got to go somewhere else but if the position of need has a good top end we're going to hit that especially back half or at least last third of first round right that's kind of my yeah i mean to me you can you can the best thing you can do if if you really want to hit a need and you don't feel the values there trade back a little bit and try and pick up a pick and then hit that player where that where you got value you just got to make sure you don't trade back too far and if you got two guys there that you would love either one of them but you don't like them at pick 30 maybe you like them at pick 40 to 50 if you think they'll be there trade back pick up a you know like last year we picked up a third round you know with the move to get key on so there's you know there's a little analysis you got to kind of evaluate your board you're a mover and shaker oh yeah you are remover and move to get Keyon. So there's, you know, there's a little analysis.
You've got to kind of evaluate your board. You're a mover and shaker.
Oh, yeah. You are a mover and shaker.
They got 10 picks this year. Oh, shit.
Oh, shit. What the hell? Hey, that's not.
Hey, 10 picks is a lot. We need them, but we need them.
You talked about the cap, paying Josh Allen, the guys we have. We extend Shakir.
You know, you have to you know, as Michael tell you, you have to

hit on these draft picks. We have to continue

to find these, you know, lower

cost guys. If we don't hit those,

it's not a sustainable product

to continue winning. Lombo, what do you think

is his focus of

building his culture from watching his team? And then

Mr. Bean, I would like to hear your

response to his analysis of the team.

Y'all stop calling me Mr. Bean.
Y'all make me feel like I'm 100 years old. No, Mr.
Bean is the character. It's the character.
It's the English character. Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you need to know who that is.
And we respect you. Rowan Atkinson, great actor.
You know, Pat, I think it's exactly the way the NFL needs to work. It's two guys that have the sheriff's philosophy, and they work together.
You know, he just mentioned that they believe in the offensive and defensive line. Sean was with Andy in Philadelphia, so he was influenced there.
And I think that if you're going to win in this league, you've got to have two people doing the job because Sean can't scout all the players and he can't coach the team. So you have to have two people that can do the job, but they share the same philosophy.
I think what happens in the league a lot is we think this collection of five or six people can make it when really it comes down to two people and then those two people educating the organization on the shared philosophy. I think they deserve a ton of credit is the transition from being an 11 team to being more of a Buffalo team weather-wise when they got into 12.
Oh, yeah, because remember, your team wasn't built for Buffalo. Wasn't that the conversation a few years back? You heard that, I think.
No, and it was right. Listen, I did not have a physical enough run game when the weather, and we adjusted to that and knew that we could throw it with anybody, but can we run it when the weather dictates that? I think they've done a great job of that.
I think you've done a great job of handling that. And as the league now is transitioning into this, you know, remember it wasn't popular to run the ball.
Now all of a sudden Philly's made it. Philly had what, 11 games where they ran the ball more than they threw it? Yeah, I think they had 200 more rush attempts than pass attempts.
Yeah, and so we're seeing it. And, you know, and so I think they have a fifth running back on their team.
I mean, who could stop him in the goal line? Who could stop him in the red zone, right? So it's a problem. so I think and they have a they have a fifth running back on their team I mean who could stop him in the goal line who could stop him in the red zone right so it's a problem and I think to me that's the hard part it's just defensively it's hard to sit there at 30 and think you're going to get defensive linemen you have to kind of get a couple breaks I think the best in 15 we had a really good we didn't win the Super Bowl we lost to Denver but we had a really good defensive front but we kindced it together.
Get Hakeem Hicks for nothing. Alan Branch was on the street.
We got him from Buffalo, actually. Kind of got his life back in order.
It was a little bit of a – that line was good. We had Chandler Jones with a first-round pick.
But it's hard to get that when you're picking in the 30s. I'm not making excuses.
But it's just you've got to get lucky on some things. How do you feel about what Lombardi did? He just poured a massive amount of praise on it, and then he kind of took a shot at what you did have at one point, and then he came back into the praising.
This is a sandwich technique. I wasn't there, though, if you're talking about Allen Branch.
No, he's talking about the not built for Buffalo. Oh, yeah, yeah.
He was spot on, though. Yeah, and you have to – every single year, you have to self-assess everything you guys have, right? And that's a whole process? Yeah, you got to – I mean, why did you come up short? Were you just turning the ball over? Could you not run the ball effectively? Could you not stop the run? Could you not get to the pass? So you got to look at how you're going to beat.
I mean, we all know the AFC is a gauntlet to get through, and it's not changing anytime soon. So we always start with our division.
You got to – if you don't – that's your easiest easiest ticket in and you're getting at least one home game so we start with the dolphins jets and patriots but after that you know these same teams you know starting with what kansas city's done you got to give them a lot of credit to be whatever seven or eight straight afc championship games yes that's remarkable okay and he mentioned you and mcdermott rowing in the same direction a lot of places of starts to splinter. You know, I want the credit or I don't want the blame or I got good players.
I have bad players. There's a lot of opportunity.
There isn't. I mean, those happen.
That's whenever a bad franchise and bad culture happens. You and McDermott, obviously I got a chance to see him yesterday.
He's cool looking, man, isn't he? Tough son of a bitch. He is a tough son of a bitch.
But it feels like you two rowing in the same direction. What is it about him that makes you like him so much? And what is your thoughts on him at this stage of being a head coach as opposed to maybe a few years back? Yeah, I mean, Sean and I worked together in Carolina.
I knew who he was coming up behind Jim Johnson, the late D coordinator that was for Andy in Philly. And so Andy moved on, made a decision.
Ron Rivera comes in, and Sean and I were together for, I think, six seasons in Carolina and made a Super Bowl against Denver, same year he was talking about. And so Sean gets there, and then I get there.
And we both kind of, you know, when you're working together, even though you're not in the seat he's in or I'm in, you're having conversations with people. And so there were many times Sean and I had conversations about building a team and just like I was telling Mike, building it up front, things like that.
So I think you start with, is your philosophy the same? Like if your philosophy for winning is different, it's probably going to be hard to get on the same page. And then, you know, Sean's a good person.
We believe in treating people well, building, you know, it's team and it's it's not about me it's about we what can we do what's my role and so i think that's how you get a shared vision and and an alliance how hungry are you guys man so hungry you got to be up there i mean just so good so i mean just ha ha and bill's mafia is ready to explore i mean that was a first. Thank you.
Thank you. It was.
Horseshit. Yeah, we are very fascinated.
There's a sensor in the ball now. Now we have technology to prove it.
Now there's a sensor in the ball. So everything's going to be right now going forward.
I'm glad we could be the test dummy. Again.
Again. Change the rules.
All right. We're wrapping up here on ESPN.
You guys have a fantastic weekend. Obviously, the NFL Combine will be taking place here in Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana forever, I hope, and I assume.
And Rich Eisen and Daniel Jeremiah will be the hosts of that. They are great at what they do.
Athletes will be doing spectacular things on this turf. Can't wait to talk about it all on Monday.
Elim also tomorrow night live from toronto canada the four nations champs from everybody in the truck great work this week boys great work this week to everybody that set this whole thing up great work this week to the boys thank you so so much to ty schmidt we miss you to mad mel thanks for stopping by brandon bean michael lombardi, and us will continue on YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+, and TikTok Live. You are the greatest people on earth for allowing us to do this for a living.
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That shit was right in your face, Bean. He did that without a monitor.
That's what I was saying. I was looking.
You're a stud. That's what you call a pro.
That's what you call a pro. What do you mean without a monitor? There's a monitor up there.
No, a teleprompter. It wasn't like telling you what to say.
Oh, brother. Brother, yeah, right.
Couldn't leave. Can you imagine this show with a teleprompter? Yeah.
It would be much. I mean, my reading comprehension, not that good.
So I don't know if I. Ty would be able to do it.
He's like a speed reader. Connor reads a lot.
I reads a lot. Tone and I, same school system.
We had a text. Was that over break or whatever? I'd missed something in one of your tweets and you said, hey, oh, it was the Super Bowl.
It was the Super Bowl contest with the score, whatever. And I said, reading comprehension.
Yeah, he was supposed to put... He put the score down, the exact score, 27-13.
Didn't put who was winning, though. And he's like a representative of the program now.
We're giving away whatever. So it's like, hey's like hey you need it at least people gotta know people need to know how to enter an actual submission so i text and it did come out of nowhere and uh i don't give like a group text like hey this is how this is gonna go so it's on me but yeah we don't read that good um before we let you go and we can't thank you enough for joining us oh yeah how's the golf game you know because golf season's yeah it's beautiful in buffalo right now yeah what do What do you do? Do you TGL it? I got a simulator.
How's the golf game? You know, because golf season is beautiful in Buffalo right now.

Yeah, what do you do?

Do you TGL it?

I got a simulator.

How is the game?

It's all right.

You doing any business while you're sim?

I have.

Okay, so speakerphone.

Yeah.

Listen to this draft.

I don't do that.

I stop and have the conversation.

Oh, so we're not.

I'm not swinging and doing it.

Come on. But I got the phone in there ready to roll.
How often often are you talking because i think it was a couple years back you told us like if you even see a tweet from pro football talks mike florio who is obviously you know yeah as the name as the name was coming out of my mouth i thought oh okay great they were this is. This is great.
But anyways, hey, he had a great breakdown of that Starbucks stare down. Have you guys solved that crime yet? Rap sheet came over here.
Rap sheet got fucked up. You should see.
You had two black eyes, dude. No, I didn't.
That is not the case. We don't know if they're going to shake hands before they get out of here.
They're not going to shake hands. No.
But rap? It's almost like Mel and Bill Tobin, the late, great Bill Tobin. I mean, that was a fun one.
Oh, remember? Rest in peace, Bill. I was going to say, where's Bill Tobin at? Okay.
Rest in peace, Bill. Bill was a wonderful guy.
Bill was a wonderful guy. Bill is.
Rest in peace. That was disgusting.
We love Bill Tobin. I didn't bring enough people to do that.
Can we scratch that from the record? Yeah, we were like, I'd shake his hand and squash it. Yeah, absolutely.
But I think what Rap wanted me to know, and I said, you should say this. You're an insider.
He goes, it's not for me to say. He says he did not call NFL security.
That's big news. That's big news.
I think that is kind of breaking news from a news breaker there. He's saying, I did not call NFL security.
Was I asked about the incident because a lot of people saw it by superiors in definitely. So he's saying he's not the one that was like, mommy.
You know, like that is because Jordan was like, dad. You know, and then everybody said rap was like, mom.
You know, so that rap rap would like to let everybody know that he was not the one to call it that is what our source says are telling us so you just gave your source away yeah it's even yeah tell me right over here yeah great source thank you thank you you should have heard it the other day i got a text from source yeah says that said i'm playing next year. So that was a tough giveaway as well.
But let's talk about it. You would read something, hear something pops up somewhere.
It's like, ooh, maybe there is a little, where there's smoke, there's fire. Maybe there is a little issue.
You'll check in with the GM on the player. It doesn't necessarily mean I want to trade.
It doesn't necessarily mean I want to make a deal. You're just trying to gather information that happen still and how rapid is that happening right now especially at this combine here I think it's always happening because the league never stops I mean there's guys that you're hearing in June you know for whatever reason a team drafted a player and now they realize man they want to get that player on the field they've got a contract that they could move on from so I don't feel like it really stops until you get to like late june between there and camp it kind of dies down and you know we got our staff you know they're they're on top of it more than me they're keeping me up to date you know with my scouts they're on twitter and all that way more than or x whatever it's called way more than i am yeah but i've tried to track it as well as i can but we've got a good group of people'll put on text saying, hey, I heard it from an agent.
I heard it on Pro Football Talk. I heard it on X, whatever it is.
And so then it may not just be me. It may be one of them may reach out to one of their contacts on a club and say, hey, is this true? Just so you know whether you want to spend any time on it or not, do I want to go watch the player and evaluate him, or't need to waste my time and normally truth is told there i would say most of the time it is now not all the time sometimes the team may say at this point they're thinking about it but they haven't kind of you know they're not they're not saying yes but they're not saying no okay you could also send one of your capos out it sounds like and say hey do we have any uh do we have any operation going on here and respond back go yeah yeah sure sure sure sure go ahead and waste your time on all that stuff and then when it comes back nah we got nothing how about when a player says i am not willing to negotiate feel this like now granted you could be who you can afford to be the miles garrett cleveland brown situation for instance which, D-line, Howie.
This is, Miles Garrett allegedly not willing to negotiate with Cleveland Browns. Okay? Has asked for his trade.
Very loudly, obviously. Wants the world to know.
Not just Kapo's finding out. I'm not sure if you've heard about it.
Not yet. Have you heard? No, I haven't heard that.
Okay. Well, there you go.
Okay, so Miles Garrett is not happy. Thanks, guys.

In his message, actually, he utilized Andrew Barry's words in a bar that was like,

get me out of here, like a direct shot seemingly in the thing.

Myles Garrett, top five player in whatever you want to have conversation.

Obviously, defensive player of the year.

He said, I just want to win, man.

I would like to be in the big games. So he wants to go to a place that's great which obviously would suit you uh in the entirety but when you hear something like that does it scare you that the player feels like that with the team like how do you go about reading one of those situations and I'm not saying exactly Miles but this has happened with star players in the past obviously yeah I mean listen when when there was rumors about Steph wanting out before, you know, before we actually moved on, even, you know, a year prior, things like that.
So sometimes there's some truth to it. Sometimes there's no truth to it.
I think you start with the player himself, you know, and or his representatives, and you just have truthful conversations about where both sides are at. And sometimes you may have to agree to disagree, you know, on that circumstance.
And so you've got to – in this role, you have to do what's best for your club. And, you know, is that – you know, is it time to break it off now? Is it – you know what, we're going to do it for another year like we did Steph and break it off later? So I think, you know, that situation I don't – you know, I couldn't tell you what the facts are other than, you know, some stuff you're.
He's had a couple good down in Cleveland. Down around the lake.
Lombardi, as we wrap up this hour, we appreciate you hanging out. Any parting words for Mr.
Bean here? No, I mean, look, he's got more money than he thought he was going to have. He's got great.
We've got 10 draft picks. I mean, you know, last year's last year.
Everybody's 0-0. So start it all over again.
Yeah, good luck, Mr. Bean.
We appreciate you, Brandon, for joining us. And congrats on all the success thus far.
How old are you? 48. Oh, you look so young.
Yeah. You look younger.
Not as young as Gladstone. Well, that's what I was going to tell you.
Gladstone, let's look at him in four years. It's like a president.
I didn't have, when I did my press conference, I didn't have gray hair when I was 40. Do you guys have a group text, gentlemen? Do you have to reach out to Gladstone? Yeah, we do.
I have not connected with him yet, but yeah, we'll make sure to do that. Because that's like a business, like, that's natural.
You have to have that. You actually only use a Snapchat.
You have to do a Snapchat. Hey, Pibsqueak.
Yeah, you guys got to give him a swirly in the bathroom here and kind of duck to him? Welcome to the show, brother.

Lombo, thanks for hanging out.

Thanks, guys.

I appreciate being here.

Good luck.

Thank you so much. Thank you, buddy.

You don't have to get up and leave.

We're going to throw to a break, Lombo.

We're going to throw to a break, Lombo.

He forgot how it works.

You too, Mr. Bean.

He's only been gone a month.

He forgot how TV works.

Yeah, this guy doesn't do TV anymore.

He's the general manager.

Hey, there's going to be a lot of players coming out of UNC.

Let's go.

Let's go.

I'm in for that. Chapel Hill is a nice place to visit.
I'll be down there. I'm a North Carolina-born guy.
Oh, yeah. Plus, yeah, great golf course.
Duke guy, though. Great golf course.
I'm not a Duke guy. Don't start that.
Just cheers for it. That's what I heard.
That's what I heard. Don't start that.
Hey, you saw in Bill's contract that was publicly because it was a state-done contract. He's a member down at that country club.

Remember, he's got the country club.

Oh, yeah.

A couple cars.

Which country club?

What is it down there?

It's called Chapel Hill Country Club.

It's beautiful.

It's right there.

It's right next to the campus, and they have one on campus.

I mean, North Carolina is, you know, they've got so many great –

last night we were at Quail Hollow, which is going to host the PGA there.

Good track.

Great track. You see what he's doing right now? And it's on my simulator.
Oh, how do you play it? Do you play it pretty well? I've played it, yeah. Remember, PGA last time, it was up in Buffalo or New York or whatever, and he lied about it.
Yeah, he lied about your scoring. I did not.
It is 78. Yeah, I'm normally in the 90s or whatever.
I played my ass off to do that. I don't know what happened.
I was sweating that. I was 75.
Yeah. I don't know.
So you're saying we should be proud. You're saying like, hey.
No, I got lucky. I had the round of my life on the biggest stage here.
Yeah, I got lucky. And then there was a little bit of shh, shh, shh on the scorecard, wasn't there? That was Dan Orlovsky.
Oh, yeah, yeah. There we go.
All right, let's get to the break. He's not even here to defend himself.
He doesn't have to be here to defend himself. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Hey, here.
Rap Sheet, will you come over here, please? Oh, shit. Rap Sheet.
Hey, Ian, he's breaking news on you that he already gave you up as the source, though. Hey.
What? I didn't give you up. I said my source says that I did not call NFL security.
Can you? Yeah, that in my source was talking about your situation. That's all I said.
I mean, I think you have good sources. Says in this situation.
How would I, how would I do that? Okay. What number? All right.
My boss. I mean, not me, but.
Not one one. I bet you Roger Goodell does answer.
Get the cops down here. Hey, the makeup's good, though, to cover up the shiner.
Yeah. It's messed up.
It's messed up. Not long, but messed up.
Hey, how's the week going for you, Rep? It's been a week. What's Stafford getting paid? Probably similar to last year.
Last year, he got 40. Should be about similar to that.
It's not done yet, but it's what I do. Heard he took less.
You reported that. What does that mean? How much less? So, my understanding is, like, Giants and Raiders, you know, he was allowed to, his agent was allowed to talk to him.
Would have been more higher 40s, maybe up to 50. And wasn't going to be that for the Rams, but if you're Stafford, it's like, you can win there.
It's home. Actually home.
So, I think it made sense. We appreciate your rap sheet.
Great work this week. I'll put some makeup on.
Oh, he we'll see this. Oh, he has no makeup.
That was a shot of you saying it.

That's how I look.

Yeah, I woke up like this.

Bean.

Okay, I had some coffee from.

Oh.

Dunkin' Donuts.

Oh, my God.

All right.

We appreciate you.

He's trying to crash the stocks right now.

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Combine! Hey, that was good work there, Scott. Wow! That was good work there scott you used to be proud of your

work unreal louisiana scott on the artist obviously yeah he did he was seeing the field a little bit

differently today than he did yesterday last night he was dreaming like queen's gambit he saw a couple

different moves around the race cars and showcasing the super bowl champions on the wall this

louisiana bayou boy has absolutely crushed for us and uh not just me but the toxic table at boston

Thank you. showcasing the Super Bowl champions on the wall.
This Louisiana Bayou boy has absolutely crushed for us. And not just me, but the Toxic Table at Boston Corner and Mad Mel Kuyper.
And one half of the hammer, done. Cowboys tongue digs.
And all the boys in the truck wanted to make sure that he felt at home. So we actually ordered, Scott, we got you some Gator nuggets.
A little bit of Gator. Gator nuggets of gator nuggets.
And I don't know if we have a camera on or not, but Bruce has – Go ahead, Bruce. Go ahead and hand them over to Scott.
Go give them a gator, Bruce. Scott, tell us what type – we think it's gator and – Some of that Indiana gator.
Just wanted to let you know, yeah, we killed that gator right down the road here. So I hope you enjoy it.
We appreciate your work. You have been fantastic for us, brother.
Okay? Cheers to you, Scott.

Who's making gator in Indiana?

Yeah, to be clear, I'm not 100% sure.

I thought of the idea yesterday, and me and Zeke chatted about it.

And Zeke said, I can get gator bots here by 2.30.

And I said, Zeke, you know what?

You go ahead and roll with it.

I don't know where he got it.

I don't know how he got it.

But I'm appreciative of you, Scott. That's Bayou Fresh.

That is Bayou Fresh.

I bet that gator doesn't taste like Governor Jeff Langer's gator. Well, Governor Jeff Langer has the best gator.
Yes, he's still waiting on it. Yeah, when's that arrive? I think we're going to have to go to him potentially, but thank you, Scott.
You've made our show better. We appreciate it.
And you saved your best for last there. I mean, you saved your best for last, which is obviously a thrill.
We have a couple programming notes here.

Big news.

Fresh out of a meeting with Matthew

Stafford that resulted in Matthew Stafford

remaining with the Los Angeles

Rams. Sean McVay, head

coach of the Rams, will join us on

Monday at 12.15.

Sean McVay will be joining us.

Shout out to Artemis,

the PR guy over there, piecing this together. Very nice to together Artis, I'm sorry, not Artemis Both names cool Artemis would be, that's a superhero name Which is what he did to make this happen But Artis for making this take place And Sean McVay We can't wait to chat with you Thank you for the honor of joining us on Monday I can't wait for that that conversation.
First time? I think so, yeah. This will be our first time talking to him.
We've learned a lot about him from afar, though. We've obviously watched all his mic'd ups.
We've seen him. He was on the microphone for the Super Bowl.
Crushed it. Absolutely crushed it.
That's why whenever you hear Amazon is offering him $20 million a year or $30 million a year to call games, it's like, oh, this could potentially be the next voice of football if he wanted to madden uh john that is had a very early start as a head coach for the raiders wins a bunch retires at a very young age goes into tv becomes the john madden not that he wasn't an incredible coach he was he won a lot but it was in a short time period he goes to tv takes over feels like sean mcveigh potentiallyay potentially on the same track if he wanted, but every year he turns it down and he says, I'm a football guy. I'm a football guy.
Gruden, same exact thing. Congrats on getting your name back up in the ring of honor in Tampa.
But with that being said, Sean McVay on Monday is a big deal. How'd they get the deal done, Matt? How'd they get the deal done? How'd they get Matt to stay out there? Well, I think, you know, you look at it and it's kind of one of those things where at matthew stafford's age obviously money is a big part of it but he's made a lot of money i mean we all have talked about this pat you've moved a couple times in you know the last couple years moving is the worst fucking thing ever it sucks okay he doesn't want to move his family he's got kids he doesn't want to move them from one to another.
And he's at the end of his career. He wants to be in a place where he can win a Super Bowl.
We talked about it. The Rams were right there.
They pushed the Eagles to the brink. No one else in the playoffs did.
If they win that game, they're playing at home in the NFC Championship. And who knows? They might be Super Bowl champions.
You could make that argument. Sure, going to Vegas, they got a new everything, you know, Sin City,

that'd be great. Are the Las

Vegas Raiders going to win a Super Bowl next year? Probably not.

Are you going to go play for the New York

Giants? Are they going to win a Super Bowl next year?

No. You know, if you go

to the Giants, you're hoping, hey, maybe we'll win

five games this year. I don't think that's...

Matthew Stafford's done that, okay? He played with the

Lions, but they fucking sucked. He doesn't

want to do that again. He's in a pretty good spot in, you know, in L.A.
So I think it all kind of made sense. Hey, I'll go out there.
I'll let people kind of smooch my nutsack. They did a little bit of that, didn't they? Exactly.
They did that a little bit. But at the end of the day, everybody likes that.
At the end of the day, I'm going to stay in L.A. with my family.
My wife's a superstar here as well with her podcast. My kids are comfortable in school.
And I'm going to go hunt another Super Bowl with Sean McVay. How about him saying it was nice to feel wanted, though? Yeah.
Because the Rams trade from Detroit took place allegedly in a resort down in Mexico over like a weekend extended stay. So it didn't get necessarily to hear from the entire league on if they would, how much they would pay a Matthew Stafford at this age.
Allegedly, there was 90 to 100 million dollar offers out there. I don't know how many of that is ever going to get solidified or firmed up in the public knowledge, but allegedly the Giants were offering nine figures at this stage to get Matthew Stafford in there into the day ball offense.
Now, with the Matthew Stafford quarterback domino falling, and by falling, I mean staying put at home, now all the other veteran quarterbacks are in conversation, including Aaron Rodgers. Adam Schefter has tweeted that now that Matthew Stafford will stay with the Los Angeles Rams, the New York Giants are investigating all veteran quarterback options, including Aaron Rodgers, per sources.
So he doesn't just have a source. Sources.
He has sources. Numerous people talking about that.
He's at the combine. A lot of people at the combine.
It's like, yeah, we will certainly investigate whether or not he can keep the same house. He doesn't have to move.
He actually already has this house in New Jersey. And he can come play for the New York football giants.
It'll be a different experience over here than it was for the New York Jets,

and I assume he's not the only one.

They're also going to be peaking at Sam Darnold and others

as the veteran quarterback market is now a little bit more wide open

with Stafford staying.

There's also some buzz about Russ Wilson going to the New York Giants,

and I think that's, you know, it's not too far-fetched

because if you guys remember, I remember because I'm a Steelers fan, he left the New York Giants facility and flew to the Pittsburgh Steelers facility last year. And then he never left the facility and became a Pittsburgh Steeler.
So they had a lot of interest in him in Russ last year, the New York Giants did. So it wouldn't be far-fetched to think that they would be potentially interested in him again this year if it's not Aaron.
What are your thoughts? I think the only difference between the Jets and the is the colors so i don't know if uh rogers wants to do that yeah but red white and blue say yeah fantastic colors one of the best schemes out there when it comes to colors but i think that would probably sting for rogers i think no matter what all the teams that were maybe possibly drafting the quarterback depending on you know stafford are still gonna now be in the quarterback market you know if we're looking at Cleveland and we're looking at the Giants when it comes to draft Cleveland the Giants the Raiders you know and pending Sam Darnold you know if Rogers or Cousins or Russell goes to any of those three teams I think those three teams all still are thinking like we still need a long-term option, especially when it comes to Aaron. Aaron's going to be 42 if he's not already.
That's not a three. If he wants to play, I think that's something that does get forgotten.
Yeah. Aaron Rodgers could certainly decide to retire.
That is not something. It's Aaron Rodgers football.
Yeah. Before the darkness.
90, 80% or something like that. It's like 90-10, 80-20.
Yeah, so it's Aaron Rodgers football. Yeah.
Before the darkness. 90, 80% or something like that.
Like 90-10, 80-20, yeah. So it's not as if that is something that he has never thought about.
He was going to do it with the backers before that situation played out how it played out. Yeah, and honestly, you know, us reading the Aaron Rodgers situation, just as people that have been very lucky to talk to him weekly throughout the last five seasons, and there's been a lot that has happened, and then obviously getting a chance to learn about the human, the football, everything about him.
I don't, just like the text I got from my source, about the tight end, Travis Kelsey in Kansas City, it's like his last sentence was, I can't go out like that, you know? And I know there's a lot of people that chase the dragon at the end of their careers. But, like, there's no way Aaron lets that be the final taste in his mouth about NFL football.
In my eyes, I don't think. You know? Because the end of that season, he starts spinning it.
And obviously, he's back from an Achilles. He starts moving.
That team starts playing much better. That team starts playing what everybody thought they were going to play like.
Now, obviously, way too little, way too late. We're not saying that's not the case.
But, like, those last couple games, it's just like when you go golfing. You know, it's just like when you go golfing.
You're done with golf. And then hole 17, hole 18, somehow you hit one, and it's like a flop shot like Phil Mickelson.
And it goes in, and it's like, yeah, I shot 102 today, but. We'll play tomorrow.
If I do that one every single time. I'm not saying he's a 102 golfer.
I'm just saying at the end, whenever you still. I believe when I proved everybody, yeah, I still got it.
I know I still got it. And I think there's a very, in my eyes, and this is not from him, I have not asked him, we will talk to him next week.
We certainly will. I mean, that is certainly a question that will be on the – but, like, from a judgment standpoint, it's like I think he's going to – I think he's playing football again.
I think there is personally. He has not said that.
I think A.J. would assume that he's going to continue to play football because he is.
But at the end of the season, you think A.J. thinks he's out? No, no, I don't think that.
No, no, no. I think you're right.
I legitimately think that is the case. But there is a chance he retires, though, and literally just disappears into a jungle somewhere or into a house or maybe opens a book club or a bookstore.
I mean, there's so many different options with Aaron Rodgers. I believe that they're all being kind of dove into at this point.
And who would blame him this deep into his career, a Hall of Fame career already? Yeah, no, I mean, I think he still wants to play. He doesn't want to go out like that for his sake.
I hope he has more options than going to the fucking Giants. I do not want to see him.
I was thinking, where's he going to go and win? Who has openings? Minnesota. Yes.
That's the only one. If they don't want JJ.
And we'll see. If they want JJ.
Yes. Sorry, if they don't want to start JJ's quarterback career this year.
I mean, obviously you want to win a Super Bowl, but I also think there's a difference between going somewhere and winning nine games and getting in the playoffs. And, you know, then we'll see.
As opposed to the Giants just have so many holes. And it doesn't matter how – I don't think Rodgers at 32 in the peak of his powers with this current roster that the Giants have.
I don't think he's taking them to the Super Bowl. So does he want to do the same song and dance in New York with the media? You know, I just, for his sake, loving the guy, I do not want to – I'd rather see him go play for the Raiders.
Because he's closer to home. And who knows, you know.
They win nine games. That'd be unbelievable.
Aaron in Vegas. Imagine that desert house he would have out there.
He'd be so sick. He'd be sweet.
Henderson's beautiful. See, that feels like Sam's going to be a Raider.
But then I'm thinking, like, could Aaron go to Tennessee? Like, would Tennessee make sense? He has raw land out there. He does have raw out there a lot of people have raw land in Nashville, Tennessee we have learned strictly because of the reports of Aaron Rodgers having raw land in Nashville, Tennessee which he certainly does we assume unless the real estate portfolio has changed in a matter of a couple years I think the coach matters in that situation though too because that's why the McVay thing made sense, because it's like, he'll go with a guy he respects.
I don't know if he wants to go. He loves Tomlin.
And I'm not saying anything about Callahan. I think, see, like the Steelers at this point, it's like, if there's anywhere he goes, I hope he's a Steeler, because you go to Tennessee, not only are they going to fucking suck.
I'm in fear for my life. I'm the long arm of the Lord.
So you know what the Pittsburgh Steelers are putting down? That'd be awesome because he respects Tomlin. But Tennessee, you don't like as much.
I just don't think they're going to be any good. I mean, that division stinks.
You know better than anybody. That division absolutely stinks worse than we.
It's terrible. It's terrible.
It's awful. But, you know, it's just – does he want to go somewhere where he's got a second-year head coach where it's kind of the same thing? This guy is trying to get his philosophy in there.
He's trying to get the team to roll in his direction. And you've got a guy who's been playing quarterback for 20-plus years to come in and say, like, hey, pal, zip it.
We're going to do what I want to do, okay? Like, yeah, your playbook's awesome. We're running my fucking offense.
And that's, like, the whole the whole bad taste thing it's like he's going to if he has a bad taste in his mouth right now okay he wants to come back and he wants to play and he wants to win tennessee giants i mean raiders have they got a lot of like good hype but i don't think we're putting the raiders above denver west yeah denver chargers or the chiefs obviously obviously. So it's like the situation, the Steelers would be cool

and the Vikings would be cool.

Those are like basically the only two legitimate options,

it feels like, where those other places, yes, they need quarterbacks,

but is like Aaron Rodgers going to go there?

Could you imagine the Giants if it starts the same way the Jets did

and then they fire Dayball and he's going through a situation again?

Oh, no, that would not be good. That would be a nightmare.
How much money is Aaron guaranteed next year? Do we know? Not sure. Everybody's talking about Stafford's looking to make money.
Stafford's looking to get paid while also being respected. Here we go.
Outright release $49 million of dead cap next season for the Jets. $25.5 million, $14 million.

Okay, this is depending upon whenever they make the decision to move on,

which they've already publicly said that they would.

All parties have.

And the GM of the Jets said, we didn't give him an ultimatum.

We didn't tell him he can't be on the Pat McAfee show.

And Aaron was like, I'm going to be on the Pat McAfee show.

And he said, we're getting a different quarterback then.

And Aaron said, fine, and walked out of there. That was like being talked about.
No doubt. Reported.
I was so uncomfortable. I was like, come on.
This guy's career, a fucking billion-dollar industry. Leave my fucking name off it, please.
I'm in Puerto Rico. Jesus Christ.
Please. I'm just trying to.
On vacation. Yeah, and then he had to come out and address it at the combine.
There was no ultimatum made about anything with him to come back. They have a vision of what they want their team to look like.
They will take the dead cap in and continue to build that. Aaron Glenn and Mouji got hired over there to do that with the Jets.
We assumed that that was going to be the case. I think Aaron was hoping for an opportunity to make it right with Jets fans and the Jets organization and bring along a young quarterback, I don't think that was I don't think that was ever really reality just in my eyes with I don't even know if it was just those two or how many different coaches or GMs would go in there and it would not be the case now Vraib says there's opportunity and compensation up there in New England that's right with the Jets being in rebuild the Buffalo Beals being at the top how long before the New England.
That's right. With the Jets being in rebuild, the Buffalo Beals being at the top, how long before the New England Patriots are back dancing under the confetti you think in your eyes? Under the Super Bowl confetti.
How do you describe the confetti as a Pacers fan? Super Bowl. You only apply confetti for Super Bowl, so if we're talking confetti, I don't know.
Let's see. Because the whole thing with – and I love Drake May.
I am confident he is a hall of favor without a doubt. What is he saying, Madden? If we prove – sounds like he doesn't believe him.
If Drake May proved anything this year, he can be all world. But if you don't have an offensive line, it really doesn't matter.
I mean, it happened with Mahomes in the Super Bowl. Guy got killed.
So when we're talking about confetti, I mean, you've got to fill some holes. You've got to be able to use that compensation to bring in the right guys.
Now with Vrabel at the helm when it comes to competing for division titles, and that's kind of what he said yesterday with Rich Eisen and what's his name? DJ? Is it Gladstone? Jeremiah.

He said, first and foremost, we've got to win the division.

And when it comes to winning the division, I don't think we're that far away,

especially with Drake and the money we got in comparison to some of the other guys.

I know I saw you looking over there.

I thought it was Gladstone.

I thought it was Gladstone.

The boys from Duval are walking by. Good luck.
Good luck in the AFC South. Good luck.
I'm worried about you. I'm not worried about this place.
You need to watch it. The Jags certainly have had the Colts number for a long time.
Yeah, but I've talked to a lot of people around here.

A lot of them wearing Colts logos.

Let's just say.

All right.

Okay.

It is a big pile of shit.

No, that is not true.

Just a year out from being the Titans.

I actually got a chance to shake Chris Ballard's hand over there earlier.

That was a good moment for me.

I assume for him as well. Is he suing up this year?

Look like he looked like he was jacked. His beard looks awesome right now.
His beard looks good. He cut his hair off.
He said, I'm not cutting it until we win the Super Bowl. And then he realized, I'm an adult.
You know, I got to cut this thing. Oh, is that what he realized? He looked like Jesus Christ in a couple years.
I thought he realized he's not winning the Super Bowl. No, last year.
Yeah, he wasn't able to do it last year. We got a competition.
You never know a quarterback position. Quarterback comes along.
Either Anthony Richardson, learns how to be a pro and plays football well,

and then we're off and running.

Sweet.

Shows up day to day, does everything required to be a professional quarterback,

an NFL quarterback.

Also doesn't tap out when he's tired,

but you won't be tired if you do everything you're supposed to do day to day.

I think the tapping out whenever you're tired is a bigger indicator

than of anything else.

It's a big indicator, I think, personally, of a lot of things.

Culture, one of them. He should not think it's okay to do that.
He should want to be able to be out there with the boys no matter what happens. You change the culture a little bit here in Indy.
You get a couple guys in here. Get a couple guys out of here.
Get the quarterback position right. Get the lot house rocking.
Yeah, it's like 15 things. That's fine.
That's what this season's all about.

That's what this season's all about.

Everybody's 0-0. We just heard it.

Bingo.

That's what Lombardi said.

That's the thing about the Patriots, man.

Better today than we were yesterday.

1% better today.

And tomorrow what?

We're going to be 10 times better than we were today.

Yesterday, I think.

Yeah, but tomorrow is today.

I'm seeing a lot of people that just... A lot of doppelgangers.
I can't see with all the lights. It's impossible.
Lights are very bright. Everybody looks like somebody.
But everybody's like staring at us and can see us very well. You know, so I always wonder, like, if we got heat with somebody here walking by and we're looking in their direction going, hey, how you doing? And in their head, they're like, they called me a big dumb dipshit just about two weeks ago.
Whatever. I mean, that's why.
Who did we have on yesterday? Matt Rule. That's why I love Matt Rule so much.
Because when he was in Carolina, I can specifically remember calling him an absolute doofus. And he probably knows.
He probably doesn't care because he knows it didn't go well over there. Well, I think what a lot of these coaches understand is there's a lot more than we would ever realize if we're not in a building or why something isn't working.
You know, so they certainly can build up some spite and anger towards people. But I think Coach Rule potentially listened to that and they listened to a couple more clips and he was like, you know what, those are my type of coming from a good a good place and frank rake helped him well and i heard some stuff about that uh you're a lot carolina panthers are in a good spot from what i've heard okay right they don't need a quarterback got a quarterback don't need a quarterback morgan the gm dog dog i believe he's gonna be on the program at some point in the next few weeks, I would assume.

A lot of some coaches that I've known through my football journey are down there coaching.

Got a chance to catch up with them, chit-chat with them.

The things they're saying about the way the organization is running right now versus maybe what they had heard about the organization from years past.

Just being like, things are real.

Things are feeling.

All they open up.

Yeah, things are feeling very good over here. That's sweet.
And it all goes back to Tepper donating a stadium that's yeah for that concert and then Bryce coming back he gets benched then he comes he watches Andy Dalton go bananas and then he goes okay takes a breath for a bit doesn't have a team literally a whole program and organization on his back, gets to watch a pro be a pro, how he goes about

doing his things, and also how much he

maybe trusts or understands this or looks

this, and then gets dropped back in. It's like,

good. We feel good.
Then Canales,

his offense is kind of understood by people.

Morgan going to get their culture people in

there. Hubbard.
Hubbard started to go

bananas towards the end of the year.

Chuba. Got an extension.
Canadian

man. Canadian lack, I believe.

And then you look at the top.

You look at the top.

Yeah, I think Chuba's Canadian.

I think.

Damn right.

Never mind that.

Is that right?

Yes, sir.

That was our Canadian, Gumpy.

I'll be in Canada tomorrow.

Maybe we should kick him out of the league then.

Doug.

Chuba?

Yeah.

Well, let's not get too crazy about any Canadians because we got Kid Canada's little brother

coming, you know.

We may have talked about him. That's a good point.
Rourke? His medical's not great too crazy about any Canadians because we've got Kid Ken and his little brother coming, you know. We may have talked about him.

That's a good point.

Rourke?

His medical's not great, I don't think.

What on his thumb?

Thumb and a knee, too.

Played with, yeah.

Played with basically a torn ACL all year, so he's tough, but a little bit older.

You know, knees all fucked up.

Canadian.

Canadian, that doesn't help.

Nope.

No, it helps.

He'll probably be the number one pick in the CFL draft.

I heard from some, which is a great league, fun league.

Thank you. Canadian, that doesn't help.
No, it helps. He's probably a winner.
He'll probably be the number one pick in the CFL draft. I heard from some, which is a great league, fun league.
They have fun games, like the way they go about doing that. It's like a car.
That's zany. It is.
It is a little zany. It's a zany version of football, which we appreciate.
Whole country zany. Take it easy, Tony.
Tony, you sound a little negative. Yeah, let's talk about your tweet, Tony.
What did he say? I said, fuck Canada. What? How'd that go for you? Why'd you do that? In what way? He muted it.
He didn't see any of it. No repercussions.
Got a lot of Canadians yelling at air. They tend to forget.
We could send about 50 guys up there and take over the whole country. Okay, alright.
We knew that's what you were alluding to and I don't love that at all. I would like to say that it does feel like the Canadian hockey team beating the United States of America and the four nations in Boston was like we're staying a country.
And that has just gotten real quiet, hasn't it? Since that game, there has been no chatter of Canada really becoming the fifth-first state. Like literally the hockey team.
It was a pig slip game. It was a pig slip game.

They kept it. Hey, so congrats to the Canadians, I would like to say.

They may have lost Wayne Gretzky, though.

True.

He's taken it on the shins, and he may be harboring Wayne in the States.

What happened?

Let's just say he looked up to his.

We all know it.

Wayne's American now.

Yeah, his leader's initials are D, T, and J. Okay? They ain't JT.
And that's coming out of Wayne's mouth. I think it's D, J, T is what you're saying? Whatever.
It's not just JT. It's D, J, T.
I don't know if he's a junior. I don't know how it works.
D, J, T, J. Well, there is one of those, I think.
Exactly. So you never know.
I'm bad with initials and stuff, but he ain't looking at the guy. I didn't know Wayno did that.
And then also when he walked onto the ice, people weren't happy with him because he basically said, like, let's go, boys. Let's go, boys, to all the Americans and didn't really look towards the Canadian.
Well, that's where the mat was, you see. No, no, exactly.
But you don't have to say anything. And then when you're taking that turn, you can say, like, here we fucking goal pushed to the Canadians.
And instead he didn't. He just watched.
Is that true, Gumby? That's not true at all. No, no, no.
That's actually what happened. 100% true.
Yeah, that's what happened. I'm not making that up at all.
I mean, he's friends with everybody in hockey. He's the greatest hockey player of all time.
You guys lost Wayne though as a Canadian? Is that real? Well, they turned on him. Not they turned on him.
Canada turned on him? After that, they did, yes. We can't just be labeling everybody Canadian.
You know, there is some differences in countries here. Okay, so I think what you were trying to say...
He was saying that not everybody from Canada represents all Canadians. I think, right? Is that what you're saying, Gumby? Okay, I'll help you out here.
Ship Painter. Okay, this guy.
Grindr. Tough guy from Canada.
Yeah. Great addition to our particular program.
Maybe Canada's greatest expert. Well, maple syrup.
Hockey's awesome. That's fine.
We got our own. We do.
I mean, their leader does represent Canada, though. And we know what he does.
No, but I heard. Yeah, I guess you're right.
I didn't even think about that. But then that goes the other way for us.
Absolutely. No doubt about it.
We just got to make sure we think. Hey, listen, we all got more in common than we think.
Let's go shake their hands. Let's go shake their hands.
It's all sticky from the syrup. No thanks.
Yeah, but it tastes good. It does.
We had a little bit more sugar To you guys' maple syrup and made it good I was going to say it's no pearl milling I know that We took a little bit more sauce And put it to hockey Wait until we do a curling I thought we really had it there When curling Marty Hamilton Took the gold medal from the boys That was the only time people don't give a shit about it anymore. We won there.
You guys can have it. You think we just sent them back? Pretty much.
All the curling rocks? Retired to sport. They created lacrosse too, right? Yes, they did.
Love that sport, Gumby. Canada has a lot of great things.
Let's never forget it. Right, Gumbs? Exactly.
Like a hockey team that was more healthy than the American team for the Four Nations final. We were pretty banged up, too.
We lost some of our top defensemen as well. Let's not forget.
Okay. Well, it must be nice to still have McJesus on the ice whenever we don't got ours Jesuses.
Yeah. I mean, a lot of people do say Charlie McAvoy was the heart and soul of that team.
Actually, when you look at the first Canada-USA game, he put

McDavid in a fucking blender.

Absolutely buried him. Actually, Brady

Kachuk came off the ice. He's mic'd up.

He said, I'm following you into a fucking battle today,

Charles. See, I think the Canadians would say

you dropped into our accent while doing

the conversation about America. That's a hockey

accent. That's not a Canadian

accent. We got to take it all.
Like,

the Canadians create great diction. Right? Great words.
Bucket. What are you doing, man? That's what I'm saying.
I'm thinking we like... I think we're okay with Canada.
I think we're okay with Canada. Are you doing this, kids, tomorrow? Yep.
I'm going to Canada. Bobby Roode's Canadian? Bobby Roode is Canadian.
So, there's something. It's Gilbert? So is, who founded the Canadian Destroyer? I believe Chelsea Green is Canadian.
United States champion for the United States? Yeah, so she's going to make a choice. Pat, you're not wrong.
We are fine with Canada. Canada is not fine with us, though.
Yeah, they booed our national anthem. I heard that.
Oh, yeah. I forgot what started this whole thing.
It was that. Keanu Reeves.
That's the only one I'll go with. Everyone else.
Oh, he. Thanks.
Bieber's, what's going on? We can't talk. No, we can't.
Gosling's Canadian. What? He's got stuff going on.
Or no, I was thinking of the other Ryan. He's got stuff going on.
A lot of stuff going on. Who is Canadian? He's also Canadian.
Yeah, right. Canada's good.
Where do they come to act? I think everybody kind of makes movies up in Canada now.

They do Toronto.

That's not real.

Good Will Hunting, a lot of that was filmed

in Toronto. I don't believe that for a second.

It is, yeah.

That's not true.

What's your problem, Mel?

That's Matt Mel.

Ty's not here.

Try to add a little color. Try to add a little context.

That's completely wrong. That's not true.
That's a great movie. That's a great Boston movie.
That's not true. Filming took place between April and June 1997, although the story is set in Boston and many of the scenes were shot in the location of the greater Boston area.
Many of the interiors shot in the location of Toronto. Yeah, so rooms, it's not like they were using the landscape because it stings.
What the hell? No, they wanted it a little bit nicer, they said. That's what they were saying, Google Hunter.
That's not what they were saying. Sorry, the greatest cause of the country.
No, MIT, they weren't allowed to film at MIT because shit actually happens. Yeah, bingo.
They can't use Harvard because we're actually trying to solve shit. Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah, they are. I just found out they have universities in Canada.
Yeah, they do. They say...
University of Waterloo, I believe, is up there. Waterloo? Yeah.
University of Waterloo is a good one. So, Gumpy, how's your schooling work up there in Canada? So you guys do the same as us, 12 grades? Exactly, yeah.
How come you guys didn't join us in 1770? Why didn't you guys just join us? Because they're still loyal to the queen. To the queen? King, no.
They actually fought us in 1812. That's the war of the 1812? Yeah, they sided with England and tried to invade.
I actually looked it up because I was going to tweet it. They don't still pay taxes to the queen.
You hear yourself, what you've been saying? Yeah, but you've got to remember what Canada did for me personally.

What, going up there?

Yeah.

Fuck it.

Is it true they weren't a country? I had a great time up there.

They weren't a country until like 1975 or something.

You had a great time down here, too.

See?

I have had a great time down here.

Yeah.

But what I'm saying is, let's go shake the hands.

You guys can.

I'm staying right here.

I'm with you, brother.

Well, we saw that. Red, white, and blue.
Not just red and white. And it's not for you.
It's been a great week here. We can't thank you enough for joining us.
We're going to get out of here. I will be on NFL Network, I think.
Yeah, who knows after Wednesday. We'll see.
That was a wild scene. Hey, end show about 245.
Come on down. Come on down.
Be at the end of the tail end of the kicking, field goal kicking session. It'll be electrifying.
Then we go right into the punters. You're there.
Microphone on the field. Just like every other position group, you know, has like ex-players on the field.
You know, get down there. Wasn't even broadcast.
Nobody was filming that. There was not a single camera on when I walked down there.
That seems like a miscommunication. That's going to happen.
That's life. But today, in this place, communication is key.
What do you learn about a prospect that makes you think to yourself, you know, I want that person to be in our building? What do you learn about a player that makes you think, you know, that guy can fit in on our football field? What about an undersized, a little too fat, maybe a little bit too slow guy? What characteristics does he have deep down in his soul and his plums that make me believe that whenever he gets an NFL jersey on and an opportunity to be in the NFL and live his dreams, he is going to give his all to that. He's not going to fuck it up.
That's what this is all about. And then when you watch these athletes run on the field, what you're seeing is humans do things that they would have never even comprehended 20 years ago, 30 years ago.
We might see somebody run a 419 this weekend. 40.
That's 120 feet. Okay? 419 from a stop.

Not allowed to be moving.

This ain't a fly 40.

This is from a dead stop.

This is like cheetah type shit.

This is the fastest car you could get from zero to finish line.

This is unbelievable what humans are capable of.

And it's all on display this weekend.

All the teams are looking to get better.

All the players are looking to get drafted. And we're just trying to have a fantastic weekend.
Watching it all all on display this weekend. All the teams are looking to get better.
All the players are looking to get drafted.

And we're just trying to have a fantastic weekend

watching it all, enjoying it all

and seeing who the hell is going to

win Elimination Chamber.

We can't thank everybody enough

for allowing us to be a part of your day-to-day.

We can't thank everybody enough for rejoining

us this week after a two-week

hiatus. I mean, what an

absolute...

That was the longest time. It feels so long being away.
It was maybe a month it felt like that we weren't doing this. And every time there's like a natural fear, like once we stop, nobody's going to come back.
They're going to watch other shows once again and say, yeah, we're going to do this. They're going to say, you know, my life was better without that dumbass show part of my life.
That is always the fear. That is always the anxiety.
So those of you that have rejoined us, we can't thank you enough. For those that are brand new, yeah, this is how it goes.
At all of it. Gonna get sued.
This is gonna happen. I mean, this is the experience.
And we are incredibly grateful for it all just like i'm grateful for all the boys boys up here great work this week to the crew great work boys and girls great work crew great work to the crew thank you all so much from the lighting and micing to the cameraing to the rigging and building to oled from avon with the led board budget to zitoito and Tim McAfee doing the moving of this whole thing, to Faso being on an email chain since December and making sure all the I's are dotted and T's are crossed. We appreciate you, Faso.
To Bruso having to do a little moving. Very Bruce.
You're the best, Brownie. And to the truck.
Great work, boys. Good work, boys.
Great work, truck.

Just saw Grigson walk by.

He appears to be, yeah, he's 275.

He's back.

Oh, he's that big guy.

Yeah, he's the orangutan-looking fella.

Holy fuck.

He's jacked.

Hey, he looks.

Big guy.

Big boy.

It's like Andrew Whitworth, kind of.

I thought that was. It was nice catching up with him last year at this event.
Chit-chatting, hearing some things from his side, allowing him to hear things from my side, and then boom, bang, we move on. A lot of mingling, a lot of talking, and we're so lucky that we've been here.
We'll see you on Monday. It's going to be a good one.
Matthew Stafford staying with the Rams.

What happens with all the quarterbacks?

How about all these draft prospects?

Who pops this weekend?

Who drops this weekend?

What are the storylines coming out of Indianapolis from the insiders

other than they just try to fight each other at Starbucks?

We shall see.

We'll be on it all.

All right, boys.

Be a friend.

Tell a friend something.

Oh, oh, oh.

Big night out. We shall see.
We'll be on it all. All right, boys.
Be a friend. Tell a friend something.
Oh, oh, oh. Big Night Out is coming soon to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
This is a show that I believe is unprecedented? I would say so, yeah. For sure.
Mad Mel, what would your descriptor be of Big Night Out after what you know of it, what you've heard of it, and everything like that? I would say, I mean, unprecedented is a good word. It's a show that basically has everything you could want in a show if you were going to show up to some sort of event.
Everything you could think of. It will be involved.
Big laughs, big sing-alongs, big giveaways, Big night out. Coming soon to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
This one is fascinating for me because I've wanted to do the show for years, I'd say. Literally, I've been wanting to do a show like this for years.
I think it'd be good for people to just kind of watch a spectacle take place. And to do that, it takes a lot of prep, takes a lot of planning, takes a lot of cash and I think we're at a point where it's going to be awesome.
And the people that are going to be a part of it, there's massive surprises. I don't even know how to describe the surprises.

The giveaway, I mean, you're talking I think we're going to make somebody

a millionaire that night.

There is...

I'm trying to make... Yeah.
It's going to be

a big night out and we can't wait to get to Pittsburgh.

With that being said, be a friend. Tell a friend

something nice. It might change their life.

We're in this thing together. Team on me.

Team on three.

One, two, three. Team!

Goodbye!