PMS 2.0 1290 - Super Bowl Monday, Adam Schefter, Luka Dončić/AD Trade Fallout With Shams Charania, Jey Uso, Hulk Hogan, Michael Cole, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Super Bowl kickoff Monday, February 3rd, 2025. This program starts now.

Speaker 1 Football! It is wonderful, and obviously, we're celebrating the biggest game of the year happening on Sunday down in New Orleans between the Chiefs and the Eagles.

Speaker 1 We'll be at Radio Row, down at the convention center in beautiful New Orleans, Louisiana, starting on Wednesday all the way through Friday.

Speaker 1 And then obviously, we all watch the massive game on Sunday as we find out whether or not this particular dynasty that the Chiefs are in the middle of is the greatest of all time and can they win three straight for the first time in the modern Super Bowl era and on the other side two Super Bowl visits in the first four seasons is Nick Siriani as their head coach two in the last three years Jalen Hurts has championship pedigree will he be able to win on the biggest stage alongside a running back that has completely turned back the hands of time with football.

Speaker 1 A powerful offensive line, a defense that's greedy. We have the Chiefs and the Eagles in Louisiana on Sunday.
Obviously, that'll be chatted about throughout the entirety of the week.

Speaker 1 And obviously, we'll chat about it today, but the weekend was full of surprises. We were lucky to be a small part of some of it.
On Saturday night, Jay Uso won the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 1 Yeah, punching his ticket to the main event of WrestleMania. A man who's been grinding and working his ass off night in, night out for the WWE for the better part of the last two decades.

Speaker 1 Once a Hall of Fame tag team partner alongside his brother with the Usos, now has a singles competitor who has every arena on their feet, yeeting alongside of them, eliminates John Cena and sends himself to the main event of WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 Myself, Wade, and a guy who's joining us now on stage here at Thunderdome, a man who's been in the WWE for 28 years, has only missed two shows over that span of time.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Cole.

Speaker 2 Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 Cole, massive surprise, big-time win. So incredibly excited for Jey Uso and all the hard work that he's put in.

Speaker 1 Everything that he has done for the company, every meet and greet, every handshake, every bump, every match, everything that he has done all paid off for this big moment for him to be in the main event of WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 And we are so incredibly proud. I almost got emotional and started crying for him on Saturday night, Michael Cole.

Speaker 2 It was an incredible night. And the thing about Jay is he's such a great guy.
And like you said, he's worked his butt off for so many years to get to this point. But Jay created himself.

Speaker 2 I mean, he made this happen. He came up with that yeet catchphrase a year or so ago, and it just took off.
And then, of course, the dancing and all of that has brought him to this point.

Speaker 2 But I think the entertainment factor is great, but Jay is a hell of a worker in the ring. And he really deserves this moment.
And I thought the surprise was great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought so too. Everybody was surprised.
Everybody thought that maybe he was going to be Cena because it was his final Royal Rumble.

Speaker 1 He would address that immediately afterwards and say, hey, we'll see you at the Elimination Chamber in Toronto in four weeks, which is the final opportunity to punch a ticket to the main event of WrestleMania where Jey Uso will be.

Speaker 1 That'll be happening in Toronto. We shall see.

Speaker 1 Can is doing a lot of chatting right now. Yeah.
So is America. We'll see how that whole thing works out.

Speaker 1 Excited to get up to beautiful Toronto up to the six for Elimination Chamber where John Cena will be and many others.

Speaker 1 I believe there's qualifying matches happening over the next few weeks to see who will get into the elimination chamber. If you win that, you also go to the main event of WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot in store. You know, every time I come back into the WWE, I feel honored.
I feel lucky. I feel so damn thankful that they asked me to come back.

Speaker 1 But all the wrestling fans, the diehard wrestling fans, always attack me. You know, they say, oh, this part-timer, part-timer, part-timer.
Okay, they come after me, and I understand it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, hey, listen, I'm a wrestling fan, so I completely understand where you're coming from. I used to feel this way as a child as well, whenever I was watching along.

Speaker 1 I'm very lucky that I get to be a part of WWE.

Speaker 1 time I'm asked and I had to do bet on red 18 shout out to Peyton Banning with that sign there but anytime I get asked to come back, I love it.

Speaker 1 And I try to sell every single night how much I appreciate being there for the fans. But the fans, a lot of the diehard wrestling fans attack me for it.

Speaker 1 You know, also some of the employees of WWE attack me for it. And that's kind of the way it is.
So I get attacked for not being around enough.

Speaker 1 Jey Uso's there every single night of his life, literally, just grinding away for the company.

Speaker 1 And those same people that are attacking me are attacking the fact that Jey Uso one sometimes never going to be able to make anybody happy, but I will say this, 70,000 plus record-breaking Royal Rumble all yeeting in unison to celebrate this man.

Speaker 1 Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I think this guy, most over guy on the roster, what a time for him.
And Michael Cole yeeting off beat is just maybe the highlight of everything.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's why Jay Uso won. Because he just wanted to see Cole.

Speaker 2 The fact that Jay has actually embraced me and allowed me to yeet with him and be a part of this is actually pretty cool for me. That's right.

Speaker 1 For me, too. I feel like...

Speaker 2 And Wade Barrett even got in the ring and did it. That old Englishman.
Shout out to Wade.

Speaker 1 I love that man. It was an honor to work alongside of him.
Royal Rumble was spectacular. We'll continue to talk about that.
That was a massive surprise in the WWE.

Speaker 1 Then that would be followed up just moments later by a

Speaker 1 I don't even know how to say this

Speaker 1 volcanic

Speaker 1 earthquake. Eruption

Speaker 1 of what?

Speaker 1 From the NBA when Shyam Shirania would put out a tweet saying that Luca Donchick, the man who has been the face of the Dallas Mavericks, the man who took the Dallas Mavericks to the finals less than a year ago, the man who has been synonymous with not only that city, that team, that franchise, but also the NBA as a whole, has got his fat ass, if you listen to Lady Devon, Dallas Mavericks were talking about it, shipped to Los Angeles for Anthony Davis, who once again was the man that the Lakers were going to build around.

Speaker 1 This is the future. The team can't be operating around LeBron James.
He's too old. This team's going to run through Anthony Davis.
Anthony Davis, very comfortable in his locker, okay?

Speaker 1 Very comfortable. Saying, we need another big guy.
We need a point guard or something like that. If we want to really make a run at this thing, this is what we're going to need.

Speaker 1 Everybody around the league is talking about how Anthony Davis is the focal point, the focal point.

Speaker 1 Everybody talking about Dallas, Luca Dante's team, Luca Dantra's team, Kyrie joining Luca. And it said now, both of them.
Gone. New teams, new era, new time.

Speaker 1 Sean Shirania comes into ESPN, and he had haters behind the scenes who didn't think he was the guy who's supposed to be the senior insider and drops a big old heh suck it 91 million views on this tweet alone at this point that's going to be up over a hundred million you're talking about maybe the biggest trade okay in the history of sports now they're taking it back old school to a 31 year old will i believe who got traded in 1968 or something i understand that there has been big movement in the past but this one gigantic earth shattering volcanic like surprise of whoa are you serious seam sharania will join us in a matter of 33 minutes.

Speaker 1 Jay Uso will join us in the next hour. And in a matter of eight minutes, Adam Schefter will join us because surprise, the Pro Bowl games were just yesterday.
They were good. Yeah, not bad.

Speaker 1 They weren't bad. I appreciated the effort out of the boys.
I appreciated the football out of the boys. I appreciated the game out of the boys.

Speaker 1 I appreciated the girls flagged football, high school all-star game that took place beforehand. Thought it was a great day down there in Orlando.
One of the participants down there, Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 Miles Garrett was talking to people about what their life is like with their teams.

Speaker 1 And although none of them were in the Super Bowl because none of the Super Bowl contenders were able to be in the Pro Bowl, Miles Garrett said, that sounds a lot better than what I'm going through.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Miles Garrett says, that's a lot better than what I'm going through.
You guys are trying to win up there, you think? Yeah, I think so. And you're trying to make it to where? Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I want to do that.
Get me the hell out of here. Request to trade this morning from the Cleveland Browns.
This is another holy shit moment in sports.

Speaker 1 Just a few days ago, down at the Senior Bowl, Andrew Berry, general manager of the Cleveland Browns, said, I'm not listening to anybody trying to trade trade for Miles Garrett, who has two years left on his contract of non-guaranteed money.

Speaker 1 Signed a five-year, $125 million deal, $100 million guaranteed. Final two years non-guaranteed.
So is this a business move? Potentially. Is this a, hey, I want a new contract statement? Maybe.

Speaker 1 Or is this Miles Garrett being sick and tired of not being in the playoffs and playing meaningful football? Potentially as well.

Speaker 1 We will certainly keep an ear to the ground and ask Adam Scheffer about it in about seven minutes. Now, there's a lot to talk about.
The talks and tables here at Boston Connor, at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 1 Nine-year NFL vet, big old football brain. Darius J.
Butler is here.

Speaker 1 Debuck Miles Garrett asks for a trade. Where do you think are some possible landing spots? What do you think he gets paid? And why do you think he came to this decision?

Speaker 5 I mean, the first places you look are the places with the most money. We know the Patriots got a ton of money.
They got a high draft pick as well, so they got some assets.

Speaker 5 But for me, I'm going to look for it because it's a guy that you think is going to want to contend with some championships. Young quarterback out in Washington.

Speaker 5 You know, they just competed in the NFC championship. Obviously, new ownership group, they got money as well, so they can pay him.
He's still dealing with a rookie quarterback contract there.

Speaker 5 I think the Chargers will be another potential place, once again, right there on the cusp of compete for a championship.

Speaker 5 And then, like I said, the Patriots, you got a young quarterback, you got Vraves, you think they'll be contenders as well. But it's a player that, I mean, you can put him in almost any system.

Speaker 5 He's an edge rusher, a typical throwback for

Speaker 5 4-3 defensive in, but he's an elite player, just kind of like Luca at the top of his game, absolutely premier pass rushers, which is a premier position.

Speaker 5 Talk about 2020, first team all-pro, 21, first-team all-pro, 22, I believe, second-team all-pro,

Speaker 5 2023, defensive player of the year, first team all-pro, and then another first-team all-pro this year. So, you're talking about the elite of elite.
Now, when you look at a deal, you talked about it.

Speaker 5 It's probably a potential business move. Obviously, this guy wants to win as well, but Nick Bosa is now the highest paid defensive end, five-year, $170 million deal, which is around 34-year.

Speaker 5 So, you would think Miles Garrett is kind of going to get somewhere up and near that ballpark because the gap between Nick Boss at the top of 34 and then 28, I believe, is the second guy with Josh Hines Allen's down in Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 So you would expect him to get paid at his new destination. Brown's got some dead cap they're going to have to deal with as well.
Kind of this Deshaun Watson fallout.

Speaker 5 But this is, I mean, this is one of the best players ever to play the game in one of the most important positions. So this is huge, huge news.

Speaker 1 29 years old will be turning 30 in December. Washington Commanders fans hearing their name even announced in a situation like this is obviously good for them they're they're potentially uh

Speaker 1 yeeting all over themselves about that discussion also the patriots who have all the cap space in the world are going to be linked to everybody con man yeah exactly and you got to think like you know who knows how free agency works out who but when he got the patriots he wants to win a super bowl that's his big message is i want to win a super bowl i want to win a super bowl he'd be believing in the mission of rayball i guess more so than believing in the cleveland browns mission is that what we have to think about yeah definitely you got to think like rabel was just in cleveland so you assume that him and Miles Garrett do have some sort of kind of relationship.

Speaker 6 But of all the teams up there, I would look at Detroit. You know, Detroit paid a bunch of people last year.
They already got, you know, the Penn A.

Speaker 6 Sewell, the Goff, the Amon Raw, those contracts done. If they do have $56 million, still don't have to pay Hutch just yet.

Speaker 6 And then you look at how their season ended, where they did have to replace a bunch of guys. They did have to go get a pass rusher.

Speaker 6 If the deal, because you would obviously have to pay Miles Garrett too, this could be a situation where it's like, wow, Miles Garrett only went for a two, a four, and a five because you also have to give him a contract.

Speaker 6 And Detroit feels like a team where in his message, he said, hey, the plan was never to go from Cleveland to Canton.

Speaker 6 The plan was to go from Cleveland to the Super Bowl, win a Super Bowl, and then obviously all those things come with it. Detroit would kind of be that place, I would think, where he could look at it.

Speaker 6 It goes from, you know, he goes from rather the AFC to the NFC. Cleveland doesn't really have to deal with them that often.
So I would look at Detroit.

Speaker 3 Well, and as a Packers fan, like, I don't know if they'll necessarily do it, but they had kind of been linked with this past offseason.

Speaker 3 Like, hey, if a guy like Miles Garrett or Max Crosby is available, you need to go get one of those guys because that's kind of the area where they've invested a lot of draft capital the last couple years getting first-round DNs and guys who haven't really...

Speaker 3 panned out necessarily. They haven't really been able to get to the quarterback.

Speaker 3 And I think back to when the Packers traded and got Reggie White, that was kind of what propelled them to, you know, win a Super Bowl and kind of turn around and be one of the better teams of the late 90s.

Speaker 3 This is the first time they've had cap space since they got rid of Rodgers. And I think this would be one of those splashes where we all hear about how they're the youngest team in the NFL.

Speaker 3 Well, you can get one of the best players in the NFL right now who can maybe come in and give some of that game to the young kids who need to make a huge step up.

Speaker 1 You're hearing a lot of fans, I assume, this morning, as soon as they learn of Miles. Garrett potentially being available saying, hey, get him to our team, get them to our team.

Speaker 1 Now, there's going to be some salary cap situations that aren't aren't going to be able to make it feasible the jets are one of them how do you feel about that michael cole die hard jets fan how do you feel about the nfl now we could talk about the nba trade as well that would probably be next hour more so nba i think

Speaker 1 i'm not going to say it was a work but could have been there's a chance there's a chance that you trade two megastars first time ever two all nba players have been traded uh for each other and it's like every all eyes are on the nba now super bowl week and i know trade deadline is february 6th of super bowl week but that's a massive convo miles garrett then requests official trade here from the Browns this morning.

Speaker 1 Massive conversation, Michael Cole. How do you feel about it as a Jets fan? How do you feel about it from a Sports World fan?

Speaker 2 I don't think they're going after Garrett at all. I mean, their cap space, whether they got $16 million or something like that.
$15.

Speaker 2 What I was thinking about, what about the Bears? I mean, the Bears got a lot of money to play with. Ben Johnson's coming in, right? I mean, so, I mean, what about Chicago?

Speaker 2 I mean, they're trying, you know, Johnson said what the other day that it's going to be Caleb's team. Now bring in somebody on defense.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Sounds good to me.
The interesting thing about it is Miles Johnson said he wants to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So if he goes to any of these teams that have not won a Super Bowl, he's basically just banking on this particular team being a better run organization than the Cleveland Browns, which is quite a shot.

Speaker 1 You know, it's quite a shot to the Cleveland Browns, even though he said he absolutely loves living in Cleveland and he has, you know, grown there in his statement and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Browns fans have to be thinking to themselves, oh, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 Because literally just a week ago,

Speaker 1 Andrew Berry was like, we're not trading Miles Garrett. He is not available.
Now all of a sudden, Miles Garrett's saying, is that right? Yeah. I think I am available.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, a man who released Miles Garrett's statement and probably knows a little bit more about the behind-the-scenes senior NFL insider for ESPN, Michigan man Adam Schefter.

Speaker 1 Shefty, you look awesome as the sun hits your face in the weird little place. You look awesome.
Thank you for joining us. Massive morning here.

Speaker 1 We thought the trade between Luca, AD, and then Utah getting sprinkled in there would be the biggest biggest conversation. It certainly still is.

Speaker 1 But Miles Garrett, perennial all-pro, defensive player of the year candidate every single year, wanting to be traded with two non-guaranteed years left on his contract, just one week removed from the general manager saying they aren't listening to any trade offers for him.

Speaker 1 How do we get here? And is he only going to contenders or is he going to other buildings that have money and potentially a better vision than Cleveland Browns?

Speaker 7 If he's going, again, because we have a team here in the Cleveland Browns. I know we get swept up in the moment.
We've got this defensive player of the year requesting a trade out of Cleveland.

Speaker 7 And this is not a surprise to the Browns. The Browns knew about his unhappiness.
I think they've asked around. They've prepared for it.

Speaker 7 They've gotten some opinions about how to best handle this situation, knowing that it could be coming. And I think that they are dug in.

Speaker 7 and entrenched in their stance that they're not going to trade Miles Garrett, that that's not the kind of player you move on from.

Speaker 7 You're talking about arguably the best defensive player in the league, 29 years old. That's a player that helps you win a Super Bowl, and that's what the Browns want to try to do.

Speaker 7 So, again, we can continue to talk about this and we will because it's certainly interesting.

Speaker 7 But we also have one side here in the Cleveland Browns that doesn't want to trade Miles Garrett and says it won't trade Miles Garrett.

Speaker 7 And the GM, Andrew Berry, even has told reporters that he doesn't care if he's offered two number ones. He's not trading Miles Garrett.

Speaker 7 Now, what we we have, what changes the equation some potentially, is we've got Miles Garrett now going public with the statement and the idea that he does want out of Cleveland.

Speaker 7 He wants to play on a team where he believes he's got a chance to win a Super Bowl, which obviously he doesn't feel like is the case in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 7 the Browns, if they trade him, there's acceleration on his contract to the tune of about $35 or so million dollars. They're already over the cap.

Speaker 7 To trade him becomes financially difficult and challenging. Not to say they can't do it, but it's hard.
So I think the whole situation here, Pat, is honestly in my mind, how dug in is Miles Garrett?

Speaker 7 How miserable is he prepared to try to make life for the Cleveland Browns? Is he willing to sit no matter what when they go to training camp?

Speaker 7 If they haven't traded him by then, is he continually going to issue statements saying how unhappy he is is and how much he wants to, does he make it such that he forces them to trade him or do they acquiesce to his wishes and listen to him when that's not what they want to do?

Speaker 7 And they've been perfectly clear about that.

Speaker 1 Okay, so in your eyes, if you had to project right now, And I know we literally just learned of Miles Garrett taking this thing public, but these situations have certainly happened before

Speaker 1 in the NFL, certainly during your time of covering the NFL. When the season starts, do you think Miles Garrett has a new deal with some guaranteed money? You think this is is business-wise?

Speaker 1 Do you think he's a Cleveland Brown or do you think he's going to be gone? Because once somebody goes public, what is that?

Speaker 1 That's just putting massive pressure on Andrew Berry to see if he's really about it.

Speaker 4 Okay. But you know what?

Speaker 7 Debo Samuel issued a trade request to the 49ers two years ago. He's still there.
Brandon Ayuk issued a trade request to the 49ers last year. He's still there.

Speaker 7 So when you issue a trade request in the NFL, it's not

Speaker 7 final that you're being traded. There are still many steps to go through.
And again, the Browns have been very public in the idea that they're not moving on from Miles Garrett.

Speaker 7 They're not trading him, which is why I come back to the point is

Speaker 7 how difficult is Miles Garrett willing to make life for them? Is he going to make it such that they have to trade him?

Speaker 7 If you're the Browns, you go to Miles Garrett and now you say, Miles, I know you want to be out, but we want to. make you the highest paid defensive player in football.
You feel any better?

Speaker 7 No, I don't. I still want to.
Oh, you still want to?

Speaker 7 Okay, we want to make you the highest paid defensive player, and we want your input on what we should do at quarterback now and what you think are some guys that you think could help the team.

Speaker 7 You feel better now? No. Okay, like what can you do to make him feel better? Usually, when a player hears that he's the highest paid something player in NFL history,

Speaker 7 I'm not telling you that that will happen. I don't know how Miles feels, but sometimes that makes a player feel better and changes mind.

Speaker 1 Got it, especially with two non-guaranteed money years left for somebody his caliber.

Speaker 1 Obviously, this is potentially a business play by Miles to kind of put some public pressure on the Browns to make it happen. But let's say trade does take place.
Debuts has a question for you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and this, I know you mentioned Ayuk and Debo, but this is, you know, number one pick, premier guy at a very, very elite position. But so let's say it does get to that point.

Speaker 5 What would the compensation be for Miles Garrett, you think? And can you recall a pass rusher of this caliber moving at this point in his career?

Speaker 7 Khalil Mack would be the closest comparison that would be out there right now because when Khalil Mack requested a trade, it was not altogether dissimilar to Mil Garrett.

Speaker 7 There were teams salivating at the idea of trading for Mack when he was playing with the Raiders. And I posted the compensation before

Speaker 7 earlier this morning. Let me just call it up exactly to give you an idea.
But

Speaker 7 the trade comp on Philio Mack was he was traded from Oakland to Chicago. The Bears gave up two first-round picks, a third-round pick, and a sixth-round pick for Mac, a two, and a conditional five.

Speaker 7 So two ones, a three, a six, for Mac, a two, and a five. Now, that went on for a while.

Speaker 7 I don't know that the Raiders maximized the return. Mack refused to budge.
Mac was 27 at the time. Miles Garrett's 29.
Again, that's the best comp, I think, that's out there right now.

Speaker 7 Miles Garrett is an elite player. Again, you can make the argument he's the best defensive player in the league very easily.
So I think that the return is probably along those lines.

Speaker 7 But again, we have the Browns GM Andrew Berry on record saying that he wouldn't even consider two first-round picks for Miles Garrett, which, by the way, would be my stance as well if I were the GM.

Speaker 7 I would say I wouldn't consider three ones for the guy. That's what I would say.
Now, what I would have wind up taking would be a different deal. So it's just the question of gamesmanship.

Speaker 7 Now, again, is this a business play by Miles Garrett? I don't think so. I think he legitimately wants to be in a place where he feels like he's going to have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 But again, is there anything that could get him off that that changes his mind?

Speaker 1 So last question for me. And obviously we're all learning about this as we go.
So that means he's only going to teams that are contenders? Is that what we're hearing?

Speaker 7 That's what, in his ideal world, that's what he's doing.

Speaker 1 Now, again,

Speaker 7 what if they said we're trading you? I'm making this up to Chicago.

Speaker 1 Again, is Chicago a Super Bowl contender right now?

Speaker 7 But what if Chicago, he feels like, is a,

Speaker 7 I think the best way of saying it, he wants to go into what he believes is a Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 7 But I think as we talk about this, I think that would be a place that he he believes gives him more hope to win a Super Bowl championship than the Browns do. And there are probably

Speaker 7 multiple NFL franchises that would fall into that category because I think if you had to consider it 31 teams, probably he would be interested in trading for Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 That's what we're, because we went through the salary cap and what the projected amount of money is.

Speaker 1 And obviously, you look at a lot of these teams and it's like, well, the Patriots would obviously benefit from having Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 If Rabel was in Cleveland this past year, They have the money to do it. But would Miles be like, Yep, you know what?

Speaker 1 I'm going up to New England because I believe they could potentially be a Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 1 And then you just go down the line there of all the people that have, like, does he think the Chargers are potentially a Super Bowl contender, even though they haven't really been able to get close to the dance in some time?

Speaker 1 Does he believe Harbaugh changes things? Chicago, it's like, does he think Ben Johnson will be able to get them to a Super Bowl? It's like, is it his projected contender or the actual contenders?

Speaker 1 Like, is he thinking about going to Baltimore that only has 8.9 million?

Speaker 1 They can't even really seemingly afford them or the Chiefs or going to Detroit or going to the Packers maybe who had a chance to go to run. Like, what does he mean?

Speaker 1 I think we just kind of wait and see, I guess, Shefty. Well,

Speaker 7 I think, first of all, a few things to keep in mind. I don't think there's any way

Speaker 7 or chance in hell that the... Browns ever would consider trading him in a division.
So you could knock out those teams. And by the way, they said they're not trading him at all.

Speaker 7 They're certainly not trading him in the division. I would think that if they're trading him, they certainly wouldn't want to trade him in conference.
And again, they say they don't want to trade him.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 Miles Garrett would have the ability because any team would have to give up a haul. And any team that trades for him obviously would want to have him under contract.

Speaker 7 So he would have some say there. Because let's just say it was New England.
Let's say he doesn't like that area. He doesn't believe in the team.
He doesn't like whatever it is.

Speaker 7 He could say, I'm not going there. You know, sorry, Connor, I'm not trying to pick anything.

Speaker 1 I'm just giving you a. No, no, no.
We've been talking about that all morning, but it's like Minnesota, Detroit, Packers, all the teams.

Speaker 1 It's what he believes.

Speaker 7 It's what he feels. It's what he feels.
And any team that would

Speaker 7 give up what it would be required to acquire him, and again, this is even considering the idea that the Browns would be willing to trade him, which they haven't been.

Speaker 4 But if they were,

Speaker 7 then it would have to be to a team that is going to give up so much, and they're not going to give up that much without having him under contract or him being unhappy about being traded.

Speaker 7 So he's going to have to sign off on the trade, even though he doesn't have a no trade request. So he's going to basically be able to dictate it.

Speaker 7 That's if Cleveland ever gets to the spot where it moves off its current stance of we're not trading him.

Speaker 7 So there's a lot of things that have to happen before we get there, just to give you an idea of where this is at. All right.

Speaker 1 Well, good luck to all parties. Yep.
Good luck to all parties. There's a lot of NFC teams, though, that are doing a little dance.
They get Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 Green Bay Packers, you give up two ones, a third, and pay him? Yes. To get him on the squad? Yes.
Vikings probably do the same.

Speaker 1 They don't even have quarterback yet, but if you get another game record on the defensive side, Lions, they lose Aiden Hutchinson, still able to win, but in the end, not able to get to where they want to go.

Speaker 1 Why not continue to build depth?

Speaker 6 Anything they want.

Speaker 1 They can have it. And then with the Niners, I mean, the Niners adding Miles Garrett to that defense after a disappointing year.
And now granted Christian McCaffrey didn't play.

Speaker 6 I mean, there's

Speaker 1 a lot of NFC teams that would be like, all right, let's go and get it. Hopefully, Andrew Berry is able to figure it out.
Let's talk about some other news that happened around the NFL.

Speaker 1 If you have time, we appreciate you making some here on this glorious day. Chip Kelly's back in the NFL.
He's getting paid $6 million to be the offensive coordinator of Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 1 So the Ohio State Buckeyes lose both of their coordinators. Jim Knowles goes to Penn State on a $3.1 million deal, allegedly, to Penn State.
Ohio State was not able to match or didn't come close.

Speaker 1 Chip Kelly now going to the Raiders on a $6 million deal allegedly per year. That's via Albert Breer.

Speaker 1 Allegedly in a conversation, new ownership said like, hey, no stone unturned, anything you need to be able to put a staff together, you could do that. Chip and Pete, do they have history?

Speaker 1 And how much did we expect Chip Kelly to come back to the NFL before this hiring cycle, Shefty?

Speaker 7 Well, I think he wanted to get back to the NFL, and the Raiders made a lot of inquiries and did a lot of background checks to see this is what they were trying to do.

Speaker 7 Again, I think everybody would agree on Chip's offensive prowess and brilliance. And so they were trying to see: okay, is there a reason that we should move in that direction?

Speaker 7 Is there another candidate that's more qualified? They were looking at some other people as well.

Speaker 7 But ultimately, the recommendations on Chip's offensive mind came back in such a way that they felt like this was the move to make.

Speaker 7 And look, they're at a disadvantage in that division with those coaches and those quarterbacks in the AFC West. It's loaded.

Speaker 7 Pete comes in with energy and enthusiasm and passion and a defensive expertise.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 they need somebody to really run that offense. And Chip Kelly certainly is more than capable of doing that.
They identified him.

Speaker 7 And this is where the new money and the limited owners that the Raiders have come into play. Because Mark Davis got an infusion of money from the limited owners that included Tom Brady.

Speaker 7 And they now can go out and spend that money on guys like Chip Kelly. There's no salary cap for coaches.
You're capped off on what you can and can't spend on players, but there's no cap on coaches.

Speaker 7 So if you want to go pay Chip Kelly $6 million a year to bring him in to Las Vegas, you can go do that. And having cash, cash is a big deal.

Speaker 7 And the Raiders clearly have some cash that they can throw around to coaches and that they're going to be able to use in the form of guaranteed money and signing bonuses to upcoming free agents.

Speaker 7 So, that's going to be something that I think the Raiders lean into as they try to make up ground on the rest of the teams in the AFC West and in that conference.

Speaker 1 And that's no cap, brother, you know, especially on the coaching staff.

Speaker 1 This is why we talked about the Denver Broncos being such a promising position for whoever's going to go coach there because the Waltons, the Walmart family,

Speaker 1 they got it.

Speaker 1 You know, so they can pay the coaches more than other places. You can keep people around.
Raiders getting into that game is kind of crazy. Chip Kelly going to Vegas, say it, Connor.

Speaker 9 I mean, look, why not Will Howard going with him, too?

Speaker 1 Whoa!

Speaker 6 That's where they won the natty together, you know.

Speaker 1 The quarterback knows the offense, understands Chip Kelly very well. Chip Kelly, beloved by the Ohio State players.
Jeremiah Smith, number one wide receiver on earth, said no,

Speaker 1 with a heartbreak.

Speaker 1 With a heartbreak in there. So who knows how Ohio State looks going forward? We shall see.
All right, let's pivot away from.

Speaker 7 He's going to have certain knowledge on those guys that other people don't. He's going to have worked with all of them.
And we also go back to his time in Philadelphia.

Speaker 7 Remember how much everybody wanted the Eagles and Chip Kelly to trade up to get Marcus Mariota, who's going to be a free agent this offseason.

Speaker 7 So Marcus Mariota, I think maybe that's going to be an option. But I'll tell you where else Marcus Mariota is going to be an option.
In Miami with Tua, his good friend Tua. He'll be an option there.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 there could be a little bit of interest in Marcus Mariota between the Miami Dolphins and Chip Kelly and the Las Vegas Greaters. And that's a great spot for Marcus because he's got two no-tack states.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 So he's going to have some interesting choices this offseason.

Speaker 1 He used to go to Vegas.

Speaker 1 Some oost juice down there in Miami, man.

Speaker 1 I like everything about that.

Speaker 1 Marcus Mariotiota, certainly, we got nothing but respect for Marcus Mariota. Appreciate everything he did.
We got out to see Oregon.

Speaker 1 He has an entire hallway dedicated to him for everything he did out there. Certainly, that was like 15 years ago.
I mean,

Speaker 1 that was a pretty good amount of time. What Chip Kelly and Will Howard were able to do, especially during his playoff time, biggest time of the year, was nothing short of magical.

Speaker 1 Now, Pete Carroll goes to Las Vegas. That was one part of the coaching cycle.
There is one job still remaining that is available in the NFL. Ty has a question for you, Shefty.

Speaker 3 Shefty, where do we stand with the Saints job right now? Obviously, Mike McCarthy pulls his name out. He's going to be looking to the next year's cycle.
And all the...

Speaker 3 Everything's kind of leaning towards, hey, this is basically going to be Kellen Moore's job. Has there been any movement on that?

Speaker 3 Is that the expectation that once the Super Bowl is over, Kellen Moore will become the head coach of the Saints? Or what's going on there?

Speaker 7 Let's spell this out, Ty, right? This is pretty simple. You and I have talked about this before.
We did it this morning.

Speaker 7 We could stop the charade. What's going on here is that the New Orleans Saints wisely are going to be doing everything

Speaker 7 by the book, as they should be, because

Speaker 7 the last time, the last time the well okay yeah

Speaker 1 hold on hold on let me rephrase that the Roland Saints when it comes to this coaching hire should be doing everything by the book right

Speaker 7 let me rephrase that okay I want to make sure we're accurate here yes yes yes when it comes to this coaching hire the Saints are going to do everything by the book because the last time the Eagles were in a Super Bowl in the host city was Arizona The Cardinals,

Speaker 7 there was evidence found that they tampered with the Eagles' defensive coordinator, Jonathan Gannon. The Eagles owner, Jeffrey Lurie, not happy.

Speaker 7 He pressed the issue and draft compensation was awarded to the Eagles on draft night. So the league sided with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Jeffrey Lurie knows what it's like.

Speaker 7 The Saints have been in the crosshairs with the NFL before, not the first time.

Speaker 7 And so the head of the Saints organization, Mickey Loomis, is going to do everything in his power when it comes to this coaching hire to follow the rules and go buy the book and not talk to Kellen Moore until after the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Could it break down and they not reach an agreement? Sure. Is that likely? No.
Kellen Moore is going to have a chance to probably triple his salary,

Speaker 7 become a head coach, one of 32.

Speaker 7 And if the Saints were making any other move, whether it was hiring the Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver or the Giants offensive coordinator Mike Kafka or their own interim head coach, Darren, what are they waiting for?

Speaker 7 Why not go hire them right now? But they're not.

Speaker 7 They're waiting and they're waiting to talk to Kellen Moore and they're waiting to make sure that they give the Eagles absolutely zero evidence that they've tampered with the guy until after the game.

Speaker 7 But the fact that they don't have a coach tells you everything you need to know about where this is going.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 4 Barring a setback, he's going to be the guy.

Speaker 7 Could there be a setback?

Speaker 4 Sure.

Speaker 7 There are often are are setbacks. Bill Belichick didn't wind up becoming the head coach of the Jets.
Josh McDaniels didn't wind up becoming the head coach of the Colts.

Speaker 7 Liam Cohen didn't wind up becoming the coordinator of the Buccaneers. But

Speaker 7 barring new setbacks, we know where this is tracking and we know where this is going. Let's not be oblivious to it.

Speaker 1 Okay. Congrats, Kelly Moe, if you end up becoming the head coach.
And the Josh.

Speaker 1 Josh McDaniels, Jim Ursa dumping party could have been settled with some Dove Men Care whole body

Speaker 1 You know, if it's. Did you ever get any confirmation on that story?

Speaker 1 What story? Well, allegedly, now we've obviously covered this pretty in-depth because we are Colts fans here.

Speaker 1 Allegedly, whenever Jim Ursai went to the McDaniel house, yeah, McDaniel's house, there was a massive dump that took place potentially. That was a little bit off-putting.

Speaker 1 And that is inevitably why Josh decided to turn the plane around because at the very end was like, we're going to be living with this this dumper all day.

Speaker 1 Let's get out of here and go back to New England. Do you know if that was the reason?

Speaker 7 I can't jump on that story. I don't know what the actual

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's continue to move to other talking points around the NFL. Speaking of shit, Michael Cole, massive New York Jets fan, has a question for you.

Speaker 1 Adam, what are we doing about quarterback?

Speaker 2 Is Rodgers coming back? What's happening?

Speaker 1 New York Jets fan, obviously. He's talking about the the Jets situation.
Aaron Rodgers, still open to anything, attached to nothing. Aaron Glenn, new head coach.

Speaker 1 Aaron Moogie. Moogie, Mooji, Mougie, Moogie.
He's the new GM.

Speaker 1 Do you want Aaron Rodgers back or you just want them to do whatever is good for the team?

Speaker 2 I think we have to bring Rodgers back if he wants to come. We don't have any quarterbacks.
And you try to draft somebody and learn under Aaron and move on from there.

Speaker 2 That's my thought, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 What is yours, Shefty?

Speaker 7 I think that Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers have to sit down.

Speaker 7 And number one, Aaron Rodgers, first and foremost, has to decide whether or not he wants to play, whether or not he wants to play in New York, whether or not he's committed to going through all this again.

Speaker 7 And if and when that's the case, then Aaron Glenn is going to have a decision. Aaron Glenn and Darren Mooji have a decision to make about what they want to do with their franchise.

Speaker 7 From a talent standpoint, there's probably not a better option out there. than Aaron Rodgers.
I mean, the guy still has it and he still can play.

Speaker 7 The question is, what do they want to do as they're they're rebuilding their organization? Is that a long-term play? Do they feel like there is a better fit for the organization to grow with?

Speaker 7 And those are questions I think that both sides have to answer with the input from one another as they sit down and talk about this issue moving forward.

Speaker 1 Okay, Chef D, you'll be on top of it. We will try to as well.
Have not talked to Aaron, trying to give him his space like we always do after the season.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, the way he finished that season, there's no way he's walking away. No, if he played well,

Speaker 1 there's no way he's just, you know what? Yeah, I'm done. Especially with how the season went and all the shit that was talked, just doesn't feel like an Aaron Rodgers move to walk away now.

Speaker 1 But once again, who knows? No chance.

Speaker 5 Finish the season healthy, you know, play well. Obviously, team success wasn't there.
You would think he would want to go out on better terms than that for sure.

Speaker 1 And also for him, I mean, the timing with the quarterback.

Speaker 1 situation kind of perfect both coming out of the draft and in the free agent world to your point there and to his point there really isn't like he's already there he knows the building you get a young young guy in there, can maybe learn underbotted.

Speaker 1 It's like,

Speaker 1 feels like the stars are aligning for the stats.

Speaker 2 And let's not forget, the Jets still have a ton of talent. I mean, they were so poorly coached last year.
They have a ton of talent.

Speaker 1 They do. True.
They're going to win it all next year?

Speaker 2 No, not at all.

Speaker 2 Never in my lifetime. I've said I'll never go.

Speaker 1 So what does it matter? I said

Speaker 2 I'll never go to a Super Bowl until the Jets are there. So I guess I'm never going to attend a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Sad. Come on.
You don't ever know that. You never know that.
You have no idea what's going to happen next year. There's been a lot of teams that have been asked that have been able to flip it around.

Speaker 1 Just one different energy in a building can change everything. And Woody Johnson said, I sucked as an owner.

Speaker 1 I got to own that. I don't think it was those exact words, but he said, maybe I haven't been the greatest owner.
I need to own that. So maybe things will turn around.

Speaker 1 And young Brick Johnson, another year of experience. Exactly.
He's going to be able to buy scratch-offs next year whenever he's going in there. Who knows?

Speaker 1 Who knows what he's going to do?

Speaker 4 Love it. We'll see.

Speaker 1 You are the most pessimistic Jets fan of all time. As soon as Aaron gets here, he goes, Shefty.

Speaker 7 Boy, that's quite a statement.

Speaker 1 The most pessimistic Jets fan of all time. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that is quite a distinction because there are a lot of them out there. No questions asked.
I mean, I'm assuming there's others, but as soon as Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets, he goes, why?

Speaker 1 Why'd he do that? His career's over.

Speaker 1 That was his first response. Not like, hey, we're going to win the Super Bowl now, like how I was feeling.
Like, man, the talent, the energy. He wins.

Speaker 1 He's going to have a parade right down the middle of New York City. I mean, it's going to be great.
And Cole's like, why is he doing that? Why is he coming to our team?

Speaker 1 Why he's going to ruin everything? It's like, no, he's coming to help everything. He's like, nope, that ain't how it's going to go.
And then four plays in.

Speaker 1 This guy's like, I told you, we're going to ruin it. They're going to ruin it.
It's,

Speaker 1 I think Jets fans have to feel that way. Always.
The jaded Jets are the way it is until it changes, and hopefully they'll be able to change. Speaking of change, is there more change coming?

Speaker 1 Connor has a question for you, Chef D. Yeah, Chef.

Speaker 6 Another Bills loss in the playoffs leads to another possible rule change.

Speaker 6 Obviously, we tried with the Hawkeye technology earlier, I believe in the preseason and some a little bit last year with the first down marking, and it took forever.

Speaker 6 And so it didn't get carried into this regular season. But again, now the NFL is reportedly considering using

Speaker 6 electronics, rather, for the 2025 season. Is there a new development in the technology? Is there some other strategy they're going to try to use?

Speaker 6 And at what point are we just going to use the microchip that's already in the football?

Speaker 7 Well, what I would say is, first of all, Roderick Goodell is scheduled to have his annual State of the Union this afternoon.

Speaker 7 And I'd be very surprised if this wasn't one of the questions that came up during the press conference.

Speaker 7 I'm sure somebody, maybe from Buffalo, is going to ask him that question about whether or not the league has made advancements with the chip in the football. They've experimented with this before.

Speaker 7 I would imagine if they have the technology, they're going to move forward in a direction. where they can lean on it.
They're looking for any way to improve these kinds of things.

Speaker 7 And the chain gang is something that was operating seemingly 100 years ago. If there was a chip in a football that could give you a better reading, then that would be great.

Speaker 7 But I still think there are issues with that that the league is trying to get through. There's no surefire solution.

Speaker 7 Even if there were a chip in the football, it doesn't ensure that that football would have been properly marked, whether it was or wasn't a first down in the AFC championship game.

Speaker 7 But the league absolutely has been looking at this. It would love for the technology to be developed.
It would love to be able to use it. If it makes sense, it certainly will.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 and I saw a lot of people talking about how tennis has Hawkeye and everything. They tried it.
The NFL tried Hawkeye during the preseason and it was terrible. So bad.

Speaker 1 It was like a four or five minute wait and then nothing. It was very bad.
I don't know how the technology doesn't exist or the NFL and the right partner hasn't got in there.

Speaker 1 You got to remember, it has to be 100%.

Speaker 1 You know, this tech has to be 100%.

Speaker 1 Very rarely is technology 100%. That is like a very big flaw of tech.
Can operate high, but then every once in a while there'll be a flub.

Speaker 1 If we rely on this tech, which I'm in for, believe me, I've been calling for the chain gang's head for years now at this point, because I'm about tired of seeing 85-year-old whites trot out there with this thing.

Speaker 1 And that's the authority on whether or not somebody gets another set of downs or not. But it's like the tech, if that thing flubs any bit, then now all of a sudden the tech is in to screw.

Speaker 1 I mean, there is,

Speaker 1 it's something they got to get right. Like, and I'm not sure they've been able to find the right thing.

Speaker 1 Hopefully the right tech partner comes around because in 2025, with all the shit we're capable of doing,

Speaker 1 you'd assume we'd be able to know where the hell a football is on a football field that is being tracked at all times.

Speaker 6 Well, and even with the tennis, like John McEnroe told you, like, hey,

Speaker 6 tennis people don't even believe that the

Speaker 6 players, yeah, rather, don't believe that that is 100% accurate. So if it were to be a situation like that where it would flub and the Chiefs get it.
the ball either way, then it's just all.

Speaker 1 Oh, now this is a...

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's even more systemic.

Speaker 1 This is a systemic issue now coming from the tech to the entire thing so I understand why the NFL has tried to be like we're trying but we need something that is 100% right because if that's not right now you're talking about an even bigger controversy and conspiracy that starts cooking out of it all well and I read that the chip in the football is in the middle of the football too so like that's why they can't use it because like it's gonna you know if like the tip of the football gives them a first down the chip's gonna read like oh that was still a couple inches behind what's that called uh not a radius a radius is from the center to the outside yeah you would assume the radius would be similar in every football.

Speaker 1 So you'd be able to do the math. But nonetheless, all you need is that chip, the glitch one time, and all of a sudden you have a bigger conspiracy than ever before.

Speaker 1 Shefty, we'll see you down in New Orleans. We appreciate the hell out of you, buddy.

Speaker 7 Safe travels down here, guys. Appreciate it.
Have a great Monday.

Speaker 1 You're the man. Hey, this has been pretty good.
We saw the sun move, you know. We saw the sun move off your face into the sky a little bit.

Speaker 7 That's the NOLA sun, the NOLA Daylight Hours, wherever it is. Yeah, it's gotten cloudy here since I first came on the show here.

Speaker 1 It's supposed supposed to be mid-70s all week. We cannot wait to get down here.
Oh, yes. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Schefter, thank you, buddy.

Speaker 1 64 today in Indiana, 31 tomorrow. So we're in the middle of that whole thing.
And that rat bastard at a Punksatoni, I'm sick of seeing him. I'm from Pennsylvania.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I understand Punksata, Pennsylvania, beautiful place, great tradition, all that. Good celebration.
I think they party pretty good there. Would like to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 I'm about tired of that little weasel piece of trash. I'm about sick of it.
Remember in 2020 when the world was going bad and everybody was living a terrible life?

Speaker 1 All we we needed was that little piece of vermin to come out and say, you know what, sun's going to come out. Instead, went back in there, piled on top of us.

Speaker 1 It was at that moment, I'm not going to let this little piece of shit decide whether or not I'm happy or the sun's coming.

Speaker 3 I agree, although I do have a little bit more of a soft spot for him because I think I saw that this is his first Groundhog's Day as a father.

Speaker 6 So yeah, I knew he wasn't paying attention.

Speaker 3 So, you know, I mean, that's a big deal.

Speaker 1 Need him dead some more weeks. This rat too busy boning as opposed to reading the damn Doppler.
I need punks. When was the last time you said spring was coming?

Speaker 3 Never. Decades, probably.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's because he pops up. He's a scaredy cat.

Speaker 1 We need a little ground rat that has a little bit more moxie that doesn't poke his head out, see all the cameras and go

Speaker 1 and goes back in now. Yeah.
I'm sorry. Well, it's good news, boys.

Speaker 12 Staten Island Chuck didn't see a shadow. He said it's an early spring this year.
Oh, great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but nobody saw Staten Island Chuck. So, and we don't know.

Speaker 6 And Sai Chuck's a bit of a dog, but if Phil's saying winter and Phil is clapping cheeks with all the other groundhogs, he's having kids, we're never going to get an early spring from Phil.

Speaker 1 That's the issue. Maybe it's cuffing season still for Phil.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's just trying to stay in his ground, his hole.

Speaker 6 Multiple.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, he obviously is many holes. Yeah, there's an angle.

Speaker 1 There's always an angle.

Speaker 1 I guess selfishly he is

Speaker 1 just out there spreading it. Yeah.
Studding himself out.

Speaker 9 Why would I want to leave my hole or any of them?

Speaker 1 I don't want sun son to come. No.
I hope for more winter. Just me.

Speaker 1 And that's what I've been saying about this little piece of trash this entire time. This little dumpster rat groundhog piece.

Speaker 1 Just get the hell out of my life.

Speaker 1 Have the party. Have the punksatani party because I think people have a good time.
Sure. But I'm tired of us acting like this thing has any idea.
It doesn't. It's not Joe Nardo.

Speaker 1 Okay, I need Joe Nardo to come up out of his grave and tell us whether or not spring's coming. Another Pennsylvania legend.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is a man who changed sports completely with one tweet a man who said yeah i am the senior nba insider at espn a man who said wait a minute is this real

Speaker 1 and then fired off a hundred million view tweet

Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen shyam sharanya

Speaker 1 Shami, how you doing? You peacocking around a little bit around those ESPN studios? You know, some people probably had a little bit of a question. Why are we bringing in Sham Sharanya?

Speaker 1 It should be me. I'm not helping this guy out.

Speaker 1 and all you do is fire off a tweet a little bit after midnight change the trajectory of the entire nba not only this season but forever congrats seans we're proud of you buddy

Speaker 11 I listen, I had no idea. You never know going to trade deadline what it's going to be like, but this obviously, Pat, you saw me.

Speaker 8 I was lounging at my house.

Speaker 11 You posted the picture of me with my unmade hair and my glasses.

Speaker 11 Yeah, there you go. There you go.
You gave the viewers a look at how I am when I'm not doing anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you aren't expecting this. Let's talk about the story.
And everybody was saying it was fake. Everybody's saying you were hacked.

Speaker 1 You know, it was too big of a story for little old Sean Sharonya to break. It was too big of a story for this to actually happen in reality.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to FaceTime you because I was still up after Royal Rumble. Tough to sleep after those WWE events for me.
So I FaceTime you just see if you answer.

Speaker 1 You couldn't even answer because your phone was going off. So you had to answer me on a computer, which is why

Speaker 11 my phone was literally malfunctioning. I swear it was malfunctioning.
I had up to 300 unread messages. I kept getting call after call after call.

Speaker 11 I swear my phone malfunctioned because I had to start taking like FaceTimes off my Mac. I had to start texting off my Mac.
So shout out to Apple. You know, I guess they're making products for

Speaker 11 these different ways for you to get access to your text messages or whatever.

Speaker 1 But can Apple understand that when Shams wants to break the world, he needs to be able to access the rest of the world afterwards. You should be incredibly proud of yourself, Shams.

Speaker 1 That's a big ass deal, brother. How'd it come about? How'd it come about? Obviously, you said you were lounging.
How long had you known this was happening?

Speaker 1 I think old buddy Collins said a few weeks back, he reached out to Palinka or whatever at the Lakers and he said, we kept it real tight. We kept it real tight just to see what was possible.

Speaker 1 When did you find out about this? And what do you think this messaging is from both teams about the particular trade?

Speaker 11 So, Pat, the formal offer of Luka Doncha was made really recently, really over the last week or so.

Speaker 11 And when Nico Harrison calls Rob Palenka and offers Luka Dantich in a trade, obviously, that's nothing that Rob Palenka is thinking about on a day-to-day basis.

Speaker 11 The Lakers never are going to shop Anthony Davis or try to trade Anthony Davis. So the Mavericks are really the ones that initiated this conversation that made this formal offer.

Speaker 11 And it's interesting, Pat, this is a peek back into my life. Last week, I was hearing some stuff around the Mavericks and the Lakers that they might be discussing a player

Speaker 11 in a trade. And

Speaker 11 that might have been the greatest smokescreen ever.

Speaker 11 Because clearly it wasn't that player. It was something way bigger, way more

Speaker 11 seismic,

Speaker 11 nuclear. Every word you can come up with.
This is one of the biggest trades in pro sports. This is the biggest trade, most shocking trade in NBA history.

Speaker 11 When you think about Luka Dotsch, Anthony Davis, they're two all-NBA players. Anthony Davis, in all of this, I think, has gotten a, he's 31.
He's gotten a little bit of a short end of the stick here.

Speaker 11 He's an all-NBA player. He's an all-defensive player.
He just had a 40-20 game in his last game for the Lakers. Like, he can play.

Speaker 11 And the Mavericks clearly believe that him and Kyrie Irving and those guys on that roster will give this Mavericks team a better chance to win a championship. They're betting against Luka Doncic.

Speaker 11 They're betting against Luka Doncic's ability to sustain fitness, his body, his physique.

Speaker 11 And they are going all in on Anthony Davis. Clearly, that's the player that they targeted.
But on the other hand, this is Luka Doncic. He's 25 years old.
He's the face of this Mavericks franchise.

Speaker 11 Now he's going to be the face of the Lakers franchise, a franchise that has LeBron James on this roster. And LeBron James, at the age of 40 years old, is going to be able to,

Speaker 11 at year 22, be able to mentor Luka Doncicz in a lot of ways, like give him so much wisdom to be able to take it to another level.

Speaker 11 And that's someone that Luka Doncic idolizes and has a lot of respect for as well.

Speaker 11 So listen, I never thought there would be a day where the Mavericks would trade Luka Doncic outside of him requesting to be traded.

Speaker 11 Mark Cuban said in recent years he would rather get a divorce than trade Luka Doncic. They were going to build a statue for Luka Doncic outside of the Dallas Mavericks arena.
And just quickly,

Speaker 11 just as quickly, they have traded him and they let him know

Speaker 11 several minutes before I put the news out. Lakers let Anthony Davis know before I put this news out.

Speaker 1 And off we go. Okay, so obviously a lot there.
Congratulations on you getting the scoop. You said that Dallas is betting against Luca's conditioning and being able to stay in shape.

Speaker 1 There's also a tie to the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks with AD, right? Isn't he kind of like used to work at Nike? They kind of did the deal together.

Speaker 1 When did this all happen? Because the video of Luca enjoying a beer after a big-time game and somebody from the Mavericks taking the beer out of his hand obviously recycles around the internet.

Speaker 1 When did the Mavericks say, you know what, this guy's fat. This guy isn't a professional.
This guy isn't who we want to build around.

Speaker 1 Because to your point, it felt like that was like Kyrie was going to Luca's team. And on the Lakers side, they got to build around Anthony Davis.
They can't build around LeBron was the conversation.

Speaker 1 When do these things change? And did it only change with AD and the Lakers because Luca was available?

Speaker 11 I mean, it had to have changed. It clearly changed this season.
Like Luca Donchich, you know, everyone likes to make,

Speaker 11 you know, there's always this commentary about his weight, about his conditioning, about his game shape, how he's looking. This is something year over year

Speaker 11 gets talked about, gets dissected. But at the end of the day, Luka Doncic is a perennial MVP candidate.
At the end of the day, no matter what he looks like, no matter his physique, no matter what.

Speaker 1 He's a good topic player.

Speaker 11 He just led the Dallas Mavericks to the NBA finals seven months ago.

Speaker 11 But for whatever reason, and I will say this, there has been been levels of friction with luka donchic and and i not the roster but the organization and and even even the medical staff the performance staff and stuff that you know you would think that you manage and you work through because of the talent that luka doncic is because of the greatness of luka doncich but clearly the mavericks felt in order to win a championship right now we are not this is in their mind we are not gonna be able to do it luka doncich the way we are going to be able to do it with anthony davis That is the gamble that they're making, that's the bet that they're making.

Speaker 11 And who knows? I mean, if they win a championship in the next three years,

Speaker 11 justifiable to do this trade because for the Lakers, this is more for the longer term. This is for the next 10 years.
This is the set that they're franchise up.

Speaker 1 Got it. And whenever the Mavs came and played the Pacers, 77 jerseys throughout the entire arena.
I assume that is everywhere. So for the Mavericks' front office to be like,

Speaker 1 I wish hell on the Mavericks. That is what I wish.
Although I like Anthony Davis, I like Kyrie. It's like Luca was your show pony, brother.
And let's see what life is like without it.

Speaker 1 Saw what happened with the Cavs yesterday against the Mavs. Now, we only have a few minutes here.
There's a lot happening around the NBA, especially in your world.

Speaker 1 And Luca misses out on that Super Max because he goes to a new team. Can't get 345.
I think it's like 200 and something.

Speaker 1 Whatever the case, that was decided by this Nico guy that Luca can no longer make that, even though he put that entire city franchise and NBA on his back. If I'm Luca, it's a big fuck-em-all

Speaker 1 party happening, and hopefully LeBron's able to get him tightened up. Only a couple minutes, big deal, though, happening in Miami still.

Speaker 5 Yes, I think Names on the move, but Jimmy Butler not been one of them yet. What's the latest with Jimmy Butler in Miami?

Speaker 11 I feel like it's deja vu, DV. Like every single day, we're talking about the same thing for the last two months.

Speaker 11 The Phoenix Suns are fully focused on trying to get a deal done for Jimmy Butler from everything I'm told.

Speaker 11 They are working on three, four, five team trade scenarios to figure out a pathway for Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 11 They want to put Jimmy Butler on this team with Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and trying to compete for a championship. That is what this trade deadline is going to be about.

Speaker 11 Will there be a team out there in the marketplace that will want to take on Bradley Beal and his $110 million for the next two years?

Speaker 11 They have three first-round picks that they're making available in the marketplace, from my understanding.

Speaker 11 So that's the team around the league that people understand is where Jimmy Butler wants to go. That's the place that he would commit long-term to is the Phoenix Suns, not the Warriors, no one else.

Speaker 11 And so we'll see between now and Thursday, will a deal done get done with Jimmy Butler and the Phoenix Suns?

Speaker 1 Okay, so he turned down the Warriors allegedly. The Warriors have been very active.
We have about a minute here. Are they going to end up making any moves? Somebody just reported on the internet.

Speaker 1 Who knows what's real, what isn't at this point, that they're maybe even looking at LeBron. This has been a story that's happened like four or five different times.
Are the Warriors?

Speaker 11 The Warriors are legitimately calling about every all-star player. You just name the all-star player.
The Warriors have probably called it in Paul George. they probably called.
They have called it.

Speaker 11 They made calls on every star. And that, of course, includes players like LeBron, players like Kevin Durant, players like Jimmy Butler.
They are making calls.

Speaker 11 They are dead set on trying to find another star player, superstar player with Stephan Curry. That is another subplot to this trade deadline as well.

Speaker 1 Okay, and last question. DeAaron Fox, like you said, ends up with the San Antonio Spurs.
That was very expensive.

Speaker 11 Massive move. Massive move.
Because this is someone with Victor Womanyama.

Speaker 11 we've been talking how do we get some talent with victor women yama and the spurs are under pressure to get talent around victor women yama and it's not even pressure from victor women yama it's pressure just how they they're they're putting it on themselves just based on how they see him playing and the greatness that he's deploying displaying on a daily basis so All-Star Garden Darren Fox, we see the details right there going to San Antonio.

Speaker 11 He's going to be the duo, the dynamic duo with Victor Wemaniama for years and years to come. And Zach Levine, three first-round picks, three second-round picks going to Sacramento.

Speaker 11 So Sacramento does get an all-star out of this as well.

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Speaker 1 Today is magical, and obviously, the biggest week of the year will kick off as we head down to Radio Row in New Orleans at the

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. That's 28-year WWE veteran and voice of the WWE, Michael Cole.
I got Cole.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not baseball. Baseball is reporting, I guess.
Pitchers and catchers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's way too early for that. Nobody's like Sodo.

Speaker 1 Let's go, Mets. Maybe this baseball year is the best year of all time, but we will never speak of that again, especially on this particular week with all the NBA news that's happening.

Speaker 1 The NHL is certainly awesome. The WWE is on fire.
And six days from now, down in New Orleans, we will crown a Super Bowl champion. Who will be at the top of Lombardy Mountain?

Speaker 1 Will it be the Kansas City Chiefs for the third straight year or will it be the Philadelphia Eagles who have been in two of the last three Super Bowls?

Speaker 1 Congrats to all teams and congrats to these players who are going to put on the biggest and most watched event in the history of the world, potentially.

Speaker 1 I did see some people on Twitter say, I'm still not watching the Super Bowl. I'm still not watching because because of everything that happens.

Speaker 1 But I am hearing a lot of ex-players and a lot more pundits come out and say, hey, you know, the script stuff and work stuff that they're doing.

Speaker 1 It's all because there's too many trash ass refs in the league.

Speaker 1 Now, the refs have not been buried every single week of this season, but in a couple of the biggest moments of the season, the refs have certainly made some questionable calls.

Speaker 1 So will that change in the offseason? Roger Cadell's press conference, annual press conference, is happening today. at some point where he has to address everything.

Speaker 1 It's the first one and the only one where it's kind of open questions and he sits up there and answers it all. Will this be the year that changes things going forward for the officials?

Speaker 1 Will this be the year where maybe officiating gets a little bit more help from technology?

Speaker 1 Will this be the year Roger Goodell addresses a potential bad call hurting the product on the field and hurting the popularity of the sport? We shall see. I doubt it.

Speaker 1 The talks and tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J.
Butler's here. Looking very cool, D-Buck.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we had Scheffer on about the Miles Garrett request. We shall see how that goes.
Two years left on his contract, non-guaranteed. Could be a business move, which is certainly happening to pass.

Speaker 1 But this is Defensive Player of the Year guy potentially on the move. Have to talk about it.

Speaker 1 Had Shams on about the massive nuclear trade that took place on Saturday night, just shortly after midnight Eastern time. What did you learn from Shams in that conversation, D.
Butt?

Speaker 1 And what did you learn from Schefter today from his conversation?

Speaker 5 Well, Shams, the Warriors are calling every, they say basically every all-star. You know, I saw a report they called about Kevin Durant, so that's definitely true.

Speaker 5 Why I actually watched a little bit of a Warriors game a couple nights ago. I saw Steph Curry, you know, he looked very, very frustrated.
Doesn't look like a team that can compete.

Speaker 5 He's still playing at a high level, so interested to see what other Shams.

Speaker 1 Steve Curry, real bum dot, too. Real bum dot.
Since November.

Speaker 5 We need a name for Sham soon when he drops this type of news. If you drop a hundred million view tweet, like you need a, you know, you just need a.

Speaker 1 Woach kind of took the bomb phrase. Sham's name, much better.
Yeah, Sham's bomb. Sham's bomb is obviously much better, but Woach kind kind of had that for a while.

Speaker 1 And we all know how Woach potentially felt about Shams coming up in the business. You know,

Speaker 1 how people act. But he has obviously a lot of friends in the business, done a lot of great things for the NBA.
We thought Shams dropped, maybe, but that's not powerful enough.

Speaker 1 Sean Slam? Oh,

Speaker 1 maybe. That might be a good one.
Yeah, the Shams, Shams Slam.

Speaker 1 It's going to be tough to get behind. It's not big enough.
All of them are tough. Maybe it's just Shams.

Speaker 1 I think he's dropping Shams. Dropping Shams.
Dropping Shams. I mean, Shams.

Speaker 1 Shite.

Speaker 1 I don't know if we should maybe Shite. A Sham-Tawn bomb.
Maybe it is a Shams-Tawn bomb. But then once again, there's a bomb in there.
Yeah, you're right. So, you know, it is tough.

Speaker 1 He's still new in the game, even though he's a senior

Speaker 1 new in the national sense. Biggest trade in NBA history.
Ever. For sure.

Speaker 1 100 million viewed tweet. In three days.

Speaker 1 Absolutely insane.

Speaker 5 And then with Shefty,

Speaker 5 he does seem convinced that Garrett is going to leave he he it kind of sounded like to him coming out of that conversation at least that he thinks a dealer get worked out there in Cleveland he'll probably become the newest highest paid defensive man which will be a lot of money that's 35 million that's up there with the top wide receivers with that number to jump bosa so that's what it's kind of sounded like to me at least with Shefty but maybe that's just what he's hearing from Andrew Berry yeah Shefty sitting in the corner of a hotel room probably one of those cuck chairs that the American hotel rooms all have sure remember that one room I was in that had the two oversized ones

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's like a supersized. We only take 500 pound cucks in here, but whatever it is.
I mean, that was an interesting, that was where those seats were supersized. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And they were sitting, I mean, they were directly,

Speaker 1 it makes you wonder what the hell is going on in all these rooms. You know, hotel designers understand what's their bread and butter, I guess.
But you walk in one of those things, it's like, okay,

Speaker 1 that is. What the.
Is that an office chair? No. That looks like somebody's trying to get comfortable over there.

Speaker 1 And then you got the lotion literally sitting right next to it. Oh, yeah.
It's like, what the hell is going on in this room? Where's this hotel? Every one of them. You've been in them before.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've certainly been to them. You're a man who's been a road warder for 28 years out there.
But Scheffter sitting in a corner of a hotel basically said, it's cute out of Miles.

Speaker 1 That's very cute. But Andrew Barrett's not going to let it happen.
But you start looking at the numbers. It's like, with how much they give Deshaun Watson.
Right.

Speaker 1 And how much money is available for their entire roster and what the future looks like there.

Speaker 1 Are they even going to be able to satisfy Miles Garrett enough, whether it's contractually, whether it's what they think the future is going to be?

Speaker 1 Because if he does want to win, are the Browns ever going to be able to for the next three years with the dead cap and the hit that they have with Deshaun Watson? Don't look like it.

Speaker 1 Let alone all the other shit they gave up to get Deshaun Watson with picks and everything. It's like, I don't know.
Now, Deshaun Watson might get back to form.

Speaker 1 Okay, Deshaun Watson might get back to playing great football.

Speaker 1 Very doubtful. He tours Achilles twice in the last six months.
So I don't know

Speaker 1 if that's even possible.

Speaker 1 certainly not a bright spot on a football field, or I'm not even going to get into it. That's happening too much in the NFL.

Speaker 1 We need to cut that off, especially that particular profession that is very synonymous with professional sports and needed in this entire thing.

Speaker 1 Nonetheless, Miles Garrett, he did sound like he's not a believer in anything other than maybe business getting done, but can they even do that? And can they still field a team?

Speaker 1 Can they, will they even be able to be anywhere near a winning football program if they pay Miles and they have to pay Deshaun what they already owed him? Probably not.

Speaker 1 And you're sitting in the Ravens division. They've already paid Lamar and they're still just adding pieces to that particular team.

Speaker 1 And you assume the Pittsburgh Steelers are always going to be a winning franchise. So that's tough.
The AFC North is going to be tough to kind of get over the hump in.

Speaker 1 How much does Miles make their life miserable is basically what Schefter was saying. Go ahead, Con Man.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and I mean, it really does depend on what he said.

Speaker 6 Like, if it is for, like, I want to go and chase the Super Bowl, then he wouldn't even take the highest paid deal because it would completely handicap their team even more so.

Speaker 6 And they're not like, and granted, no one's a couple players away. Of course, you need to build an entire team, but they are so bad at football, and they really haven't been that good.

Speaker 6 Obviously, the coaching hasn't really changed. So Fansky's there another year.
They have another year here where it's going to be a new starting quarterback.

Speaker 6 Like, if he does want a bunch of money and this is a business deal, the entire thing is going to be even worse if they're pairing him more.

Speaker 1 Michael Cole, you're a Jets fan, so obviously you understand the feeling. Browns fans think like we go from bad to worse somehow.

Speaker 2 And I was thinking about the Jets with this. So

Speaker 2 say the Browns decide that, okay, we're going to trade Garrett, right? And doesn't Miles have to reach an agreement with the new team before it?

Speaker 1 He still has two years left on his deal. Well, my point is

Speaker 2 you run into a Sonoretic situation. Yes.

Speaker 2 Like last year. So that's the other concern in this whole thing.

Speaker 2 I mean, Garrett may say that he wants to go to a Super Bowl contender, but I don't think he's leaving the Browns with two years left, no guaranteed money.

Speaker 2 I think he needs to work out a new deal with the new team.

Speaker 1 New deal, trade compensation. I mean, there's a lot that goes into this if they were to get traded.
But the Browns could get a haul in trying to rebuild a team that they've kind of already messed up.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of people wonder why Andrew Berry's still there, why Stefansky's there. I think the ownership were the ones that forced the Deshaun Watson move.
So I think they kind of feel bad.

Speaker 1 I think the ownership's like, I put, I haven't even given you guys really a chance. So I think Andrew Berry's in a position now.
Does he start looking to the future to rebuild?

Speaker 1 Because the haul you can get for Miles Garrett is certainly something. But I assume ownership is like, we're not getting rid of Miles Garrett either.

Speaker 1 So there's always, you know, I don't want to say politics, but there is always shit happening behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 Once someone says they want out, why do you want them as a part of your organization anymore?

Speaker 1 Happens in the NFL, and money has a funny way of kind of figuring out those types of situations and those issues. This is defensive player of the year, though.

Speaker 1 This is a whole different level of conversation. I personally, if I was running a team, I would hopefully not be in a position that Brown's currently.
Never. Hopefully never.

Speaker 1 But if a guy doesn't want to be here, I am get him the hell out of here. That is not somebody we want in our team.
But Miles Garrett is a guy that's like,

Speaker 1 if we can have him on our team, we would certainly like to have him on our squad. But what I was asking you about,

Speaker 1 Browns fans got to think like, we're dead. Jets fans always think we're dead.
But don't forget the Commanders fans thought they were dead too just one year ago.

Speaker 1 Now, new ownership, new coach, new quarterback had to do a whole cycle, but now all of a sudden they're up and in there. Do you think there's a chance that's coming for the Jets?

Speaker 1 obviously, with new head coach, new GM? Do you think there's a chance of that?

Speaker 2 We've had the longest playoff drought in all the four major sports. It's been, what, 2010?

Speaker 2 I don't even remember the last time we were in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Forever.

Speaker 2 So the point is, yeah, Aaron Glenn, I was concerned about him in the beginning because I thought it was a Robert Salos situation all over again.

Speaker 2 Defensive coordinator comes in, first-time head coach, has to build the team around him.

Speaker 2 But then I listened to his press conference, and it was much different than anything I've ever heard out of any coach since Rex Ryan when he took over the team. He was fired up.

Speaker 2 It sounds like he's not going to take any nonsense. He's not going to take any BS.
He's a former jet player so he's invested in this franchise. I remember watching him.
He was a stud.

Speaker 2 So, you know, I got to give him the benefit of the doubt. The key is they have a lot of talent.
Like I said earlier, there is a lot of talent on this team.

Speaker 2 And I think if they bring Rodgers back and Aaron wants to come back and they get good leadership, because the coaching staff sucked last year.

Speaker 4 It's stunk.

Speaker 2 I mean, when they got rid of Saul and they brought in the other brick guy, I mean, he's stunk. So at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 He just became defense coroner. Yeah,

Speaker 1 so. Oh, Falcon, sorry.

Speaker 2 So at the end of the day,

Speaker 2 if Rodgers comes back, we have a lot of talent. Aaron Glenn's got to just try to change the culture in the clubhouse.

Speaker 1 It is possible, though. Commanders are able to do it.
Now, granted, you're going to have to get new leadership, which they have done.

Speaker 1 Browns fans, I think they all just understand until this Deshaun deal is done, which is another two years.

Speaker 1 We just got to kind of sit on this thing and it's just going to suck. So shout out to the Miz.
Shout out to people, Cleveland. We'll be in your town tonight.
Yep. Can't wait to talk about it.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to talk about it. Maybe Miles comes through WWE Monday Night Raw.
Speaking of Monday Night Raw,

Speaker 1 every city we go to, every person in every building puts their hands up like this and then they say,

Speaker 1 Every celebrity that comes through the WWE, no matter their stature, no matter how long they've been famous for, no matter how many fans or followers they have, all they want to do is put their hands up like this and say,

Speaker 1 this past past weekend at Lucas Oil Stadium, there were 70,000 plus with their hands just like this, and then they would go,

Speaker 1 Yee, to this man

Speaker 1 who punched his ticket to the main event of WrestleMania by winning the men's Royal Rumble two days ago. Ladies and gentlemen, future Hall of Famer as a member of the Usos.

Speaker 1 What will his singles career look like? Well, vastly different now that he's won the Royal Rumble. Ladies and gentlemen, with a rocket ship on his back, Jay

Speaker 1 Uso.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What up, man?

Speaker 8 What up, Pat? Hey, man, thanks for the introduction, oof.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no problem. You've earned it.
You deserve it.

Speaker 1 I see you wearing that shirt, one of one, the Big Jim, Jimmy Uso presented to you alongside Jacob Fatu back in Guerrilla immediately after the Rumble. Let's talk about it.
How emotional? Were you?

Speaker 1 Was it in the ring? Was it when you got to the back? When did it really all settle in that you're now going to the main event in WrestleMania?

Speaker 8 man it was a yeah it hasn't hit me yet hard at all because right now it feels like another day at the office you know what I'm saying we did a Royal Rumble in India in Indianapolis

Speaker 8 got on the road

Speaker 8 headed to Cleveland you know I'm just trying to mark the shows off right now with my son back here somewhere and a baby Jace

Speaker 8 yeah yeah you say what up yeah

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 8 we moving um uh it was it was emotional though when I see my brothers waiting on me in the back. And I knew there was a camera right there.

Speaker 8 I wanted to cry right there when I was hugging them, but I was like, not right now, because not right now. We still working.
We still working. But it feels good, man.
Feels good.

Speaker 8 It ain't hitting yet, though.

Speaker 1 Well, it should feel very good. And I want to let you know, me and Cole almost cried whenever it happened.
It came out of nowhere, obviously. Incredible performance by you, knocking off John Cena.

Speaker 1 You did see him and you knocked his ass out of the ring at the end there.

Speaker 1 When you're sitting in the ring and you hear 70,000 people go crazy at excitement, do you understand that all the hard work is paying off?

Speaker 1 And do you understand that this is a moment you've dreamed of? You said it's another day at the office, but it's been a long road to get to this point. Have you thought back on it at all?

Speaker 1 And how do you kind of feel? And what do you do next now heading into WrestleMania?

Speaker 4 And yeah,

Speaker 8 I'm still at the drawing board, but I do appreciate all the love and all the text messages, all the thank yous, Oos. Just a lot of love, man.

Speaker 8 uh a lot of people behind me when i did push john out the out the uh out the ring man my first my first i kept saying oh oh oh oh s word oh s word oh s word you know i did it i did it i did it i did it

Speaker 8 and it didn't hit me until like this moment right here and now now john's in there with me and i'm like man what the fuck oh my bad ooze i'm like oh we about to go again

Speaker 8 we about to go again i'm like i thought i thought i pushed your ass out the ring already but yeah he's just giving respect right here, Louis, for sure.

Speaker 1 Obviously, you've been around the business a long, long time. The bloodline, your family's been around the business a long time.
Royal Rumble winning it is historically significant for any situation.

Speaker 1 What have you heard from the family? What have you heard from dad, maybe? What have you heard from everybody? And how have those messages been? Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 So, Jay, before you answer that,

Speaker 2 I don't know if Pops told you, but as soon as the Rumble was over, I was staying out at the airport and I walked into the hotel and your dad was there.

Speaker 2 And he was in the back and they had a Rumble watch party. And you didn't, your dad had no idea what was going on.

Speaker 2 And he walked out and he had these tears in his eyes and gave me this massive hug. That's Rikishi, of course, the Hall of Famer.
And Keish said to me, he goes,

Speaker 2 he had no words for it. I mean, he was so incredibly proud of you.
And as you know, he has been one of your biggest. supporters through all of this and all the ups and downs in your career.

Speaker 2 And it was just an incredible moment for me to see him and see that emotion out of him when you had just won that match.

Speaker 8 Yeah, man. My dad called right when I was in the locker room.
He called Jace, actually. And then Jace gave me the phone and I had him on FaceTime.

Speaker 8 And I was, you know, I was back there with John, CM, Punk. My brothers were there.
So we did have a good talk, man. But I love my father.

Speaker 8 You know, he looks at me just like his son again, like rooting for me.

Speaker 8 It feels good.

Speaker 8 I like to keep my, because my dad knows everything in the business, man. So I'm not going to tell him everything I want I want to surprise him too

Speaker 8 And he was man. He was he was very excited man and shout out to my dad man I think I am though like I saw a picture today like out of all my family

Speaker 8 It's the it's rock Roman yokozuna and now I get to be a part of that that group man. So there's four of us man.
So

Speaker 8 I'm ready to rock with it ooze man. I'm just I'm just the the

Speaker 8 this yeet train is just starting, bro. I'm going to WrestleMania oos.

Speaker 8 I'm going to take one of these titles off one of these fools regardless of who it is because it's all business now man that's what all i'm about and and i just want to show the world what what what what i'm what something different

Speaker 1 stop playing with me stop playing with come on man we can we can hey hey we can hold this for 10 minutes and they'll stay yeah they certainly will which is a big part of the story you know and i i mentioned it during the introduction since i've been back uh every arena we've gone into and before i left every arena we were in, and then internationally at France and all these other stops, every single person is pumped whenever you come into the building.

Speaker 1 There's a,

Speaker 1 you know, there's an aura that radiates around you. Every celebrity that gets involved with the WWE wants to come out and yeet with you.

Speaker 1 And then there's some reaction on the internet of people being a little bit bummed out that you won the Rumble. Have you seen that? How do you feel about that? And how do you frame that in your mind?

Speaker 8 That's them, Us.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Like, that's them that's your opinion oos you know you don't strap my boots every week you're not on the road like i am every week like you said earlier i saw earlier it was all the bumps handshakes all that sidestep that don't nobody see all the early flights and rental cars man i ain't pushing up and you know we ain't traveling with security guards around me i'm in the trenches like everybody else man oh

Speaker 8 I don't pay no mind to that.

Speaker 8 If anything, like, I didn't need, I don't need none of that. I'm going to just focus right here.
Ooh, tunnel vision.

Speaker 8 You either hop on the the train or get off the train but there's a lot of haters out there who's they talking because they can't walk it so i'm i'm i'm i'm just excited bro i'm all on the positive part i've never thought i would be at this level pat but now i'm here hell yeah i'm here and i got places to go to eat ye and you've earned it too jay i love hearing that jay listen there's a lot of people in uh wwe that knew you were going to get to this point at some point in your career i mean i had the honor to call your very first match with your brother in WWE.

Speaker 2 And you know me, I've been along for the ride for so many years with you.

Speaker 2 And I think, you know, when you broke out into your singles career and this whole thing, the whole story with the bloodline and Roman and you turning on Roman, that really changed something for you.

Speaker 2 And you truly became the main event, main event, Jay Uso. And I'm so proud of you.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, Jay.

Speaker 11 Hey, appreciate it.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, Cole, man, three times, man. Come on, man.

Speaker 11 We need to get the impression.

Speaker 8 You can do the dance with me correctly, but why everybody else?

Speaker 1 I don't know, because you and I got a rhythm, I guess. But you do not have rhythm at all.

Speaker 1 Let's just make sure that is clear.

Speaker 2 I do thank Jay for one thing.

Speaker 2 Even in the moment of you celebrating, winning the biggest match of your career, you still took the time afterward in the ring with Pat, me, and Wade to yeet and also teach me how to yeet properly.

Speaker 4 There you go.

Speaker 1 Hey, I appreciate you doing that, Jay. Thank you.

Speaker 8 Thanks. It was you opening the door jumping yeet.
I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hitting that thing sideways, Jay.
I mean,

Speaker 1 it is a whole new game.

Speaker 1 The entrance is obviously taking over the world. The yeet movement has taken over the world.
D-But has a question for you, Ooz.

Speaker 5 Yeah, big ooze. Congratulations once again, man.
It was dope

Speaker 5 seeing you in there enjoying that with your son, especially, man. But where did the Yeet originate? Like, where did that come up?

Speaker 5 Was it just part of how you were talking with somebody else and you just brought it to the stage and then transcended even the business at this point?

Speaker 4 Where did that originate?

Speaker 8 Man, man, me, my brothers, Roman, always, always said it. Like, it's a little it's just it was just slang term like ye like that it was with e

Speaker 8 and and we from the west too so a bunch of my family say it's a west coast slang too then it became yeet with uh with like the little memes or whatever but that's how people originally think i got it from but we we've been on it and then uh

Speaker 8 I had a press conference with Cody, man. Shout out to Cody Rose, man.

Speaker 8 He helped me put the yeet on because soon as he started, he said it like two times. And then the next week I had a shirt.
So I was like, cool. appreciate it.
It was, I'm about to rock with this.

Speaker 8 And I just, I just,

Speaker 8 then, then, then, this came with it. Now, now the yeet came with this.
And I've never, I didn't never put two together. It just, it just worked together, you know.

Speaker 8 And Pat know, Pat know, there's a certain point in the theme music where the beat, you said it on TV. He's like, hold up, Cole, you're doing it so you gotta wait for the beat to drop.

Speaker 8 I'm like, man, that's right, man. Come on, dog.
Come on, wait. Okay, go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. And, you know, it's fun watching arenas filled with people with rhythm and without it.
Sure. You know, kind of catch on.
on. But that is a moment of unity in every single city.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is.

Speaker 8 You got to be there, Oof.

Speaker 1 It is so cool. It is so cool to be a part of.
When you're watching a TV, I couldn't fathom. But being in the middle of it, I black out in the middle of it.
I'm having so much fun.

Speaker 1 I couldn't even imagine how you feel. Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Jay. One of the things you do on a weekly basis is kind of come out from, you know, the crowd, which has been really cool.

Speaker 6 You were with Travis Scott, and he was burning some sage, and you guys were walking down in the arena.

Speaker 6 And those environments are insane we were there on saturday and when you came out the pop was insane and everyone was yeetin all over the place but how are those kind of entrances different from the ones where you're coming from the stage is there ever a time where you're walking down and you're worried you know maybe you might have to boot someone in the face because they get in your way or what's kind of the difference uh in that type of entrance Man, so the so the craziest part with the concourse entrance, I got to go up.

Speaker 8 I have time to go up through the concourse, but while i'm sitting there waiting for my music to hit they're counting me down oosh you got you got you got you got one minute you got one minute so i'm sitting there waiting and what i mean that's the craziest part of that entrance is when i'm sitting in the concourse with the people i'm talking about before i even walk out like sitting there waiting to go that is crazy man and i and uh there was one moment where um I was shooting the shot, shooting the shot to come out through the concourse, and the people weren't in the shot.

Speaker 8 so i switched cameras around to make it look like it was busy behind me and and and the shot and the shot just came out right you know i mean they're producing too

Speaker 8 i'm like hey yo let's walk this way and then turn this way because the people's here but now when man when that shot came out that was my first shot i did now it's every time i want them i want them I want all the kids, bro.

Speaker 8 Give me all the kids, man. You know, it's very fun, man.
I got goosebumps thinking about it because I hope I get to do it tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I hope so too. You know, and

Speaker 1 Cleveland needs it. Yes, they do.
Cleveland needs the yeast. Yeah.
You know, Miles Garrett just requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland hasn't wanted anything along.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they need you. Hey, they need you tonight, Jay.

Speaker 8 You know, I got them. I got them.
I got you, Cleveland.

Speaker 11 I got you.

Speaker 1 Okay, hey, put the company on the back and a city on the back tonight. Ty has a question for you, Jay.

Speaker 3 Jay, being in the crowd and yeeting with 70 plus thousand strong was, you know, it's something I'll remember for a long time. So congratulations, ooz.

Speaker 3 But just curious, like when you're in the ring for the rumble how do you not let the emotion of maybe like a previous rivalry or bad blood you have with other guys get in the way and kind of sidetrack you from what the ultimate goal is we saw you know everything with roman and seth and punk and it kind of ended up biting those guys in the ass how do you put that stuff away and just focus on the task at hand

Speaker 8 Man, my strategy, it was like, if you pay attention to the Royal Rumble, I was kind of lowing in the corner, man.

Speaker 8 I was wrapped around the bottom rope like I Anaconda, like for half the time I was in there, man. I was just looking.

Speaker 8 Whoever came close was me, who was close to me, that's the next person who I got to get.

Speaker 8 Other than that, man, everybody was like in their feelings and stuff, man. I'm trying to, they, they won a couple Royal Rumbles and they won a couple championships, man.

Speaker 8 So I knew what I needed to do to put myself in a position. And then, and then when it was go time, it was go time.
That's when John Cena had to come see me, cuz.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.
John Cena looked good. Hey, he looked good, didn't he? I mean, you talked about it.
Man, he always looked good, man.

Speaker 1 48.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 Hey, it's Jay, what about what

Speaker 2 you were at the press conference, the post-show. What about what John said? And you've known John a long time like I have.
He was.

Speaker 2 I've never heard John in the mood that he was in that night. And he basically said, I've done everything for this company for 25 years.
It's time to put myself first.

Speaker 2 I think the best thing for business is for me to main event WrestleMania, for me to win my 17th title to set a record.

Speaker 2 And he said he's going to go to Elimination Chamber and win Elimination Chamber in main event WrestleMania alongside you in Toronto four weeks, March 1st.

Speaker 2 You know, and I think John believes that. I mean, you know, to me, he's the greatest of all time.
And I know that you have some feelings for John as well.

Speaker 2 So what did it feel like for you, Jay, to actually eliminate that legend?

Speaker 8 Man, he, man, Cole, man, he, man.

Speaker 8 Man, that man like raised me, man, raised me in the business.

Speaker 8 The old schedule was crazy, Cole. You know, like working five days out the week, man, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, go home Wednesday, repack Thursday, back out Friday.

Speaker 8 So we start, we spent a lot of time with him and he just taught us the game, man.

Speaker 8 And then when he comes back and he sees where me and my brother are or how we transcended now, man, all he does is just say how proud he is of us.

Speaker 8 Like he loves us, man. And my family loves John too.
John has been around my family

Speaker 8 for decades, man. So it's like full circles.
Uh, when he came back in the ring and hugged me, man, I said what he told me, man. Like, I remember your first tour, like, he was he was shooting on me.

Speaker 8 He's like, turn me, turn me around. He's like, look at these people, man.
Like, when he starts pointing, he's like, look, look at him. This is all for you.
Ooh, congratulations. Love you.

Speaker 8 And he left, letting me have the ring, man. That's when I was like,

Speaker 16 there was just 29 people up in here.

Speaker 1 That was just me, fool.

Speaker 1 Jesus, ooze.

Speaker 1 Day Day one-ish. We're all proud of you.
I think anybody associated with the WWE is incredibly proud of the work you've put in.

Speaker 1 You know, they talk about being over. And for those that aren't in the wrestling business, being over is like being liked, being respected, being appreciated by the fans.

Speaker 1 To say you're over would be an understatement. And I can't wait to watch the people show you some love tonight.
You've earned it all, brother. Enjoy it.
I'll see you in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 So will Cole here in a matter of moments.

Speaker 8 All right, man. I'm all right, man.
If I come through the concourses, man, I'm hopping the barricade. I'm going to come dap y'all up.

Speaker 1 Come on, man. Give it to him.
Come on, Cole. Let's embarrass our families tonight or our races.

Speaker 16 Oh, Cole, you better get your yeet.

Speaker 1 You better get your pressure. I'm under pressure, Jason.

Speaker 1 Hey, can you just, can you just with Cole?

Speaker 1 Nah, man.

Speaker 1 We're going to teach him.

Speaker 8 We got to teach him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, tell Jason.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 8 I was about to say no because

Speaker 8 that last handshake with Quavo you did, I was like, oh, we got to

Speaker 2 Quavo actually whispered to me and says it's the worst thing he's ever seen.

Speaker 1 Worst shit of all time, I believe, is the case. In the middle of the place going crazy.
Tell Jace we said what's up, and congratulations yet again, man. You're going to WrestleMania.

Speaker 8 Love, Boos. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 4 Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 You too, ladies and gentlemen. Jey Uso.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just him, Boos.

Speaker 17 Think about what

Speaker 17 he said.

Speaker 2 The four members of the Anawai family who have won the Royal Rumble: Yokozuna, The Rock, Roman Reigns, and now Jey Uso. Yeah.

Speaker 12 What company?

Speaker 1 Well, there's an interview where Roman Reigns documentary, I believe it was his A ⁇ E documentary, where he talked about how if I'm the only one that benefits from this, it's all been a mistake.

Speaker 1 And how he's tried to put over everybody. That's why it was the bloodline that was like, hey, we're lifting this up.
That family, their importance to the WWE and to my live entertainment, massive.

Speaker 1 And now Jey Uso is earning his own trail to the top of the entire thing.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Yeah, I saw that clip as well. And Jimmy Uso gets like very emotional in it.
And you can just tell how much it means to obviously them just being able to do it all together.

Speaker 6 And that Cena thing, I didn't know that's what he said to Jay after that. That's really cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. Yeah, look around.
This is all for you. I remember your first tour.
Those moments where the OG comes in and I don't want to say puts over, but... That is kind of what happens.

Speaker 1 And like shows respect. There's always been moments in the past where The Rock lifts up Roman's hand in front of everybody.
I think The Rock did it to Cena as well.

Speaker 1 I think Stone Cold, it's like this is a big moment here.

Speaker 2 It's the passing of the torch.

Speaker 1 In the business, yeah, in the business as such. Cena's had to do it for numerous people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's the thing about John, and that's why to me he's the greatest of all time. Because

Speaker 2 the sustained longevity of him in the business and just coming back and doing this for people. I mean, John could have been selfish.
I mean, he's one of the biggest stars on the planet.

Speaker 2 He could have walked in and said, I want to win the Royal Rumble, right? Go to WrestleMania. He didn't do that.
He understood what was important to Jey Usa and what's important.

Speaker 4 Well, he tried.

Speaker 1 He tried to win. Yeah, he tried.
He tried to win. He obviously.

Speaker 5 He did try like who?

Speaker 1 He did try like who.

Speaker 1 For dear life.

Speaker 1 The socks and shoes people are talking about, Cena? Love them.

Speaker 1 Okay, you thought this is the best fit he's had?

Speaker 3 I think so. I think that's just a guy who's comfortable with his age, comfortable with his look, and he's all about, he's trying to win.

Speaker 4 He's not trying to win the popular vote.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is trying to win the popular vote, though. We're trying to sell.
We're trying to move these socks.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and you know, I mean, you walk around that stadium.

Speaker 1 The last time is now i mean you couldn't find one of those shirts yeah and it was colts blue too which is beautiful it was he said didn't he say he got inspo from you yeah i gave a little love you know me and john have had some incredible conversations i appreciate and respect the hell out of john also because john uh is going to be an oscar winner

Speaker 1 like john in a promo said like i'm more likely to win an oscar which we know is going to happen than probably whatever blah blah blah and it's like John really good actor. Don't sell yourself.

Speaker 1 John does not have to come back to the WWE. Like John has already cemented his legacy.

Speaker 1 legacy john is already a goat conversation michael cole calls him the goat and his movie career is only taking off it's only getting started with how great he is and he's willing to do anything yeah people call him uh humiliation rituals or whatever is what people say about john john cena's willing to do whatever and that is why john cena once again is John Cena.

Speaker 1 Has never taken himself seriously, but takes his work seriously. It's like the perfect combination of a superstar.

Speaker 2 Well, the other thing, too, is that John is, he understands how important the WWE fans have been for him for his entire career. So he wants to give back.

Speaker 2 So what he's doing is, is he's doing this year-long retirement tour. And the next stop is in Elimination Chamber in Toronto.
And then he goes on to WrestleMania. And this is it for him.

Speaker 2 But he's going to visit some 30-something cities this year so the fans can see him for one more time. And I think it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, as we pivot away from the WWE, back to some football conversation, is a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk.

Speaker 1 Hawker, I know you were yeet over there in Ohio alongside all of us. And congrats to Jey Uso.
Let's talk about some football. Miles Garrett has requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about that? You think this is a business move? And did you hear Schefter basically say, I don't know if the Browns are going to let him go?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's partly a business move, but he definitely wants out of there, I feel.

Speaker 18 Like the whole complacency thing, I feel like in his message right here that you have popped up, that tells you a lot.

Speaker 18 He feels like, yeah, there's no future here in Cleveland to, there's no path to a Super Bowl, I guess, anytime soon. But I don't know, man.
I don't know if they, how do you keep him around?

Speaker 18 Like, he's not going to come into the facility. When does he come back? If you say, now, we're good.
We're not trading.

Speaker 1 Well, he doesn't have to for a long time. You know, mandatory OTAs and minicamp aren't until, what, June or May or something like that? So there's a lot of time between now and then.

Speaker 1 But I think if you listen to anybody talk about this, to get a trade done, there's going to have to be a lot of stuff that gets done.

Speaker 1 You know, the amount of things that are going to have to get figured out and as cole uh iterated to you know hassan reddick gets traded to the jets they just think it's going to be okay they don't get a deal done with him he never steps foot in the building miles garrett's going to need a deal done we assume before he gets anywhere the amount of compensation is going to be great you go back to the khalil mack deal whenever he was 27 years old to chicago out of the raiders it's like there's a lot of work that has to get done for a deal to come to place for miles garrett But he certainly made a bird call for that.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, him saying he wants to win, not just go to Canton. Like, what is a contender? A contender in his eyes is basically how Schefter talked about it.

Speaker 1 Well, are they going to pay top dollar for Miles Garrett or is he going to take a discount to go to some of these places? There's just so many questions now that are out there.

Speaker 1 Inevitably, the Browns control all of it, AJ.

Speaker 18 Yeah, but I want to know how much power Miles Garrett has. Does he have power in his contract to where he can shut a trade down if he doesn't want to go to a team?

Speaker 8 He doesn't have any power like that?

Speaker 1 No, that's what Schefter brought up.

Speaker 1 It's like, this is the Browns basically have all the power here, but Miles would have to get get a deal done any place he goes to so that's the control that he has like if somebody's willing to offer up three ones or two ones a second and a fourth for miles garrett if they can't get a deal done they're not going to pull the trigger you would hope even though the jets have been able to do it in the past unless they already talked to miles and miles says yes we get a deal done because miles could do what jimmy butler just did jimmy butler basically told the warriors i'm not going to do a long-term agreement with you so they didn't they pulled their offer they said they're not going to trade with the miami heat so miles has all the say because of that.

Speaker 1 But inevitably, if the Browns don't want to move on, it's the Browns say and not Miles Garrett.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it happened with Brendan Ayuk over the offseason with the New England Patriots where the Niners and the Patriots agreed to terms on a trade.

Speaker 6 And then the Patriots and Brendan Ayuk couldn't come to terms on a contract. So inevitably, obviously, it fell through.
And then Brendan Ayuk still got paid in San Fran.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk a little bit more about the football world, specifically in Ohio. You know, Miles Garrett in Cleveland, he says he's out.

Speaker 1 Chip Kelly heading over to the Raiders to be the offensive coordinator alongside Pete Carroll. Now the Ohio State Buckeyes have lost both of their coordinators after winning a national championship.

Speaker 1 When you win, there's enough to go around. Doesn't mean it's going to be here, though.
Could be somewhere else. He's allegedly making $6 million a year.

Speaker 1 And then offensive line coach for Ohio State, obviously very important piece of it all.

Speaker 1 Justin Fry, friend of the program, guy who was talking shit to me on the field as they were running away with it against the Oregon Ducks.

Speaker 1 He's set to become the Arizona Cardinals offensive line coach.

Speaker 1 So you guys are losing pieces over there in columbus or uh is everything gonna be okay for the buckeyes aj i know ryan day's on the media circuit still right is ryan day has he done another interview i guess while all these coaches are leaving and can they not get a hold of him to negotiate new deals or was this expected for the buckeyes aj I don't know if this was expected.

Speaker 18 I did see when Ryan Day was with Joel Klatt shortly after the news hit about Chip Kelly. He did say, like, we talked with Chip.

Speaker 18 It sounds like Chip wanted to come win a national championship and then move on to the NFL.

Speaker 4 We have the clip.

Speaker 19 Yeah, okay. He did it year one.

Speaker 1 We do have the clip from Joel Klatt's show.

Speaker 20 It's just kind of breaking as we're recording this about Chip. So what did it mean for you, you know, to have him with you to reach the mountaintop?

Speaker 20 Because you guys go way back, and everyone has talked about it. We talked about it for a long time.
You know, he was your coach.

Speaker 20 You guys have known each other all the way back, you know, to when you were a youngster. What did it mean to you to do this with him?

Speaker 13 That was great. It was great.
And, you know, we talked about it, the fact that, you know, we had had a really good group here. And, you know, the dream would be to win a national championship.

Speaker 13 And then, you know, he decides whether he wants to stay or have an opportunity to go to the NFL. And it's exactly what happened.

Speaker 13 And, you know, just to be able to, you know, have a beer in a few years and talk about the year that we had together is going to be special because we all started together.

Speaker 13 And this is where I started with him. And we went and did that.
And what a great story. And I know so many people back home in New Hampshire are just excited for him and for the story.

Speaker 1 It's pretty special. Love Joel Clatt, obviously.

Speaker 1 I think I hate Ryan Day. Guys not every show but ours.

Speaker 1 Even the Kelly Clarkson show. I think no offense, Kelly Clarkson, but

Speaker 1 what's that? What's excited about? I don't know. Fuck him.
Legitimately. Good luck the rest of the way.
It might be because of the fake Lou Holtz. Could be.

Speaker 1 But nothing but a fan of the Ohio State Buckeye team. He did mention about how that was kind of the plan.
And obviously he and Chip know each other very well. Ryan will be able to retool, right?

Speaker 1 He'll be able to re-key through this all.

Speaker 1 Will it be within staff, you think, or you think he'll be bringing from outside in a j hawk i mean that's what everybody is asking in columbus like where do you yeah do you promote from within who do you bring in but also i mean chip got six million dollars to be a coordinator like are you gonna pay a college coordinator you're gonna say okay we'll give you 6.1 like that's the that's what it is now in college football if you win you not only do you have to recruit your players you kind of have to retain your coaches now it seems like yeah and obviously whenever you have as prolific as a run that you had especially offensively you know that chip kelly had with this ohio state team they were just a buzzsaw to to Tennessee, to Oregon, Texas, maybe not as much.

Speaker 1 They didn't play their A game, but then a national championship against Notre Dame, able to do it yet again.

Speaker 1 And on a third and 11, the play design, the play setup, the execution, all great, top-notch.

Speaker 1 So Chip Kelly checked every box that he's ready once again to be an offensive coordinator in the NFL and run his offense in the NFL. I like Chip.
I think he's going to have success.

Speaker 1 And how much happier do you think this time around in the NFL is going to be without having to be a head coach, just like he was in Columbus?

Speaker 1 He probably loved his life, only have to deal with one side of the ball.

Speaker 5 So much better. And when Will Howard was on, he spoke very, very highly of him and how much just he taught him the game and how much he saw the game.

Speaker 5 So it would be interesting if they pair up again on the next level. But was it Brian Hartline, the co-offensive coordinator last year? Is he still on staff, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and his pictures being tweeted by Jeremiah Smith and others whenever they're asking if he's going to get poached, if the player is going to go anywhere else, they're like, nah, we're here for the Hartline Party, brothers.

Speaker 1 So that'd be an easy hire from within that is beloved everywhere.

Speaker 5 I would expect just to be the sole OC and then the party a nice, nice bump and pay if I had to assume. But defensively, I mean, you lose Jim Nose.
That's obviously a big gap to fill.

Speaker 5 I know the general is still hanging around drawing up blitzes, but that'd be a big job to fill.

Speaker 1 You know, at Penn State, too, I thought Dan Conner was potentially doing a lot more with that Penn State defense towards the end of the year as they move Tom Allen up into the booth.

Speaker 1 And then whenever Knowles comes in, I don't know if Dan Conner is sticking around or not, but there'll be names that Ryan Day will be able to get.

Speaker 1 And with all the weapons you're going to have with an Ohio State roster, I assume there's people eager to get there. The only thing about Hartline is I don't know if he's ever called plays before.

Speaker 1 Chip Kelly has. Okay, so like that is a massive thing.
It's not just like a plug-and-play position where you're like, you know what?

Speaker 1 This guy, good recruiter, good position coach, seemingly has it figured out. Will he be able to call plays? We assume Hartline will.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, it's not as easy just to say this guy's going to be a good play caller because you have no idea until it happens.

Speaker 3 And there might be a little bit of, you don't want to say regression, but like Will Howard had played a a shitload of football.

Speaker 3 Like whoever's going to start at quarterback for them next year, you know, if it's Julian Saiyan, you know, who's a five-star prospect or whoever it might be, like it's going to be their first time playing meaningful football.

Speaker 3 And we know how Ohio State fans can get. So if things don't look unbelievable right away, like there's a chance that, you know, you're dealing with all that outside noise.
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 Happened to Michigan last year. I believe Michigan.
had uh they obviously lose jim harbaugh they lose their defensive coordinator they lost 18 players to the draft.

Speaker 1 You guys don't lose as many players to the draft, but you're losing coordinators. You're losing position coaches.

Speaker 1 Whenever you're the champs and all eyes are on you, there's going to be people that are wondering if they can get their hands on some of that. This is certainly the case for the Ohio State Buckeyes.

Speaker 1 Now, let's head over to Hammer. Dodd, Dodd.

Speaker 1 A.P. Tone put out a tweet on Sunday that was so perfect.
So

Speaker 1 right in my feelings, and I think a lot of people are, you try to put on a strong face and you tell yourself you're going to be okay.

Speaker 1 But then that first Sunday with no football hits like a sledgehammer to the chest. And you realize you're not as strong as you thought you were.
Check on your brothers today. Send some texts.

Speaker 1 Say, hey, we got the Pro Bowl games today, but we don't even have two games like we had on Championship Sunday.

Speaker 1 We don't have anything.

Speaker 1 Yesterday we had the Royal Rumble. Thank God.

Speaker 1 But if this was an entire weekend of no action, boy, it'd be tough. We're staring that down in a few weeks, but not this week.
The biggest game of the season is this Sunday.

Speaker 1 AP Tone, what are some trends or betting things we should be looking into?

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 17 it was a tough day, brother, and I'm glad everybody checked in and I appreciate everyone for doing that.

Speaker 17 Stay strong out there, everybody. There is, it is Super Bowl week, and there is a ton, an absolute ton of betting trends.
So, you know what?

Speaker 17 I said, I decided, let's start with the big ones, the easy ones, before we get into the nitty-gritty all week long. And we will start.
The Kansas City Chiefs are favored by one and a half.

Speaker 17 The total is 48.5, and 69% of the bets are on the Eagles at plus one and a half. Now, is that just because everybody wants to see the Eagles win? Most likely.
Do they hate the Chiefs? Yes.

Speaker 17 But, you know, everyone's always against the Chiefs. But look at that right there.
7-0 against a spread in the playoffs when the spread is less than 3, which it is.

Speaker 17 Why don't we all just bet on the Chiefs?

Speaker 17 Maybe we won't hate the Chiefs as much as we just bet on them and win all the time. That's something to think about.

Speaker 1 Well, in years past, you bet on them and they never cover. Bingo.
That was kind of the move. Now, though, if it's less than three, they cover.
You know why? Because close games, the Chiefs win.

Speaker 1 That is kind of the ramp. But these stats seemingly all contradicting each other.

Speaker 17 They are. The Chiefs were in that one.
And then we have the Eagles who have led at halftime in 13 of their last 15 games.

Speaker 17 And we look back to the last Super Bowl when they were up by 10 against Kansas City in the Super Bowl two years ago. The Chiefs or the Eagles are great.
first half team.

Speaker 17 So is that something you want to look at here? I went into it. If you take the Eagles plus the one and a half in the first half, and then you take the Chiefs' money line, that's plus 400, Pat.

Speaker 17 So if you think, you know, maybe the game script goes, Eagles first half, Chiefs full game, plus 400 is not bad right there.

Speaker 17 Talking about, you know, back and forth. The Chiefs always win.
The Eagles here.

Speaker 17 What's it mean? Dogs have covered 13 of the 17 last Super Bowls. That is for the Eagles.
Another one for the Eagles.

Speaker 17 Favorites or the team with the better record in the regular season is 2, 19, and 1 against the spread. That is the Chiefs.
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 17 I don't know why that happens, but that's just the case there. The white jersey-wearing team has won 16 of the past 20 Super Bowls.

Speaker 17 Kansas City is the away team in this Super Bowl because they rotate AFC, NFC home away. So that would go for the Chiefs.
And then lastly,

Speaker 17 as far as the total, four of the last five Super Bowls have been lower scoring affairs than what the people thought they would be.

Speaker 17 That Chiefs, Eagles Super Bowl is the second highest scoring Super Bowl of all time.

Speaker 4 So will it be a repeat?

Speaker 1 Okay. Thank you, Tone.
All these numbers go different directions. You can find whatever stat to make you feel better about how you feel if you want to go searching for it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is just the fact of the matter whenever it comes to it. One and a half point spread.
They think it's going to be a close game. Chiefs never lose close games.

Speaker 6 No, they don't. That is just kind of their MO.

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reed, Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, Spags, Coach Tob, and the boys at Kansas City always win. But will this year be different?

Speaker 1 Because the bully of the Eagles might be able to change the course of history. AJ, did you learn anything from those trends right there, pal?

Speaker 17 Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 18 I mean, I know we'll make a pick eventually, but man, it's tough not to lean Chiefs early, I think, in this one.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Age might be giving a little something away there on Monday. We'll obviously get down to Radio Row starting on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 1 it is time to introduce a man who

Speaker 1 changed businesses, not just one industry, multiple industries and multiple businesses on many of occasions. He is a guy who is great at everything he seemingly does.

Speaker 1 His aura radiates through every every building he is in?

Speaker 1 Just a few weeks ago, he walked into a building that wasn't necessarily on his side and he stared right through him and said, Let me tell you something,

Speaker 1 brother.

Speaker 1 Let me chit-chat about what is special. He's the co-founder of Real American Beer.

Speaker 1 Joined by the mouth of the South, ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 1 Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, baby.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Watch yourself, boys.

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 4 Good swing.

Speaker 5 Good put.

Speaker 5 It comes crashing down, man.

Speaker 1 Holster, it's an honor.

Speaker 4 I do it, Ulster.

Speaker 1 You know what? Jimmy, watch it.

Speaker 4 Hell yeah, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 It went like this. Riddle me this, riddle me that.

Speaker 4 Everybody wondering who's going to win the Super Bowl. It's going to be the champ.
The one, the team that drinks the most real American beer is going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Okay.

Speaker 1 If that's the indicator, I think early favorites, Philadelphia Eagles. I would agree.
Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 I think you're right, baby. Okay, the Mountain South said, everybody's boozing over there in Philadelphia.
You can sit down right there if you want to, Hulkster.

Speaker 1 We got some real American beer in the building already.

Speaker 4 Do you really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the boys have some.

Speaker 1 That guy right over there at the talks table with Ty Schmidt, he'll actually drink four to five of them in the middle of the afternoon. So he loves everything about it.

Speaker 4 Strong, brother. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Got to do it. How'd you get into the beer business, brother?

Speaker 4 That's a long story. You know,

Speaker 1 everybody does it. I know Jimmy Hart.

Speaker 4 I've been with him 45 years. He's never had one drink, never done one drug in 45 years.

Speaker 1 Just vitamins, huh?

Speaker 6 What's your job?

Speaker 1 Watch out, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 Hit it with the steel chair. Eat this fruit.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. Sweet, Jimmy.
We appreciate that. Yeah, because

Speaker 1 vitamins, you know, take your vitamins, do the entire thing was the conversation. I know.
But hey, listen.

Speaker 4 I know, brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but as you get older, brother, you got to have a nice cold beer every once in a while. Yeah, especially when you're dead.

Speaker 4 Old school, you have a couple cold beers before you go to the ring, brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah, old school. Hogan's Hangout, we're definitely going to have a couple cold beers.
I mean, that's what you got to do.

Speaker 4 No, this whole thing was kind of like just happened by chance because I got my partner, Chad, in the back.

Speaker 4 This is our company. It's not a celebrity endorsed company or percentage deal.
We actually own the company. And we were at a convention.

Speaker 4 And I wasn't with the WWE for this appearance because I still have the deal with them, of course. But I wasn't with the WWE this appearance.
I was there with Chad and we were doing other business.

Speaker 4 And as the people come through the line, you know, I like to shake hands, look people in the eye, because everybody has like a Hulk Hogan story.

Speaker 4 And like I always say, if you're 90 years old, you were watching me when you were 50, you know? And so it goes all the way back to the young kids still know what's going on with me.

Speaker 4 So as I'm reading name tags and saying hello to people and listening to their stories, oh, I grew up watching you or I bonded with my father with you. When my dad died, you became the father figure.

Speaker 4 And the stories are crazy. You know, they're really cool stories from the the fans.
And I read this one guy's name tag, and it said vice president of Paps Blue Ribbon Beer.

Speaker 1 I went, oh my God, that's the beer my dad drank.

Speaker 4 Because my dad was a construction worker in Florida and the sun basically beat him to death. He was out in the sun 12, 14 hours a day.
And by the time he was six years old, he looked like he was 90.

Speaker 4 But he'd always pour the Paps Blue Ribbon beer in like a glass and then put salt in it, you know?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 And so when I saw the beer, I went, oh man, my dad drank that beer. It just lit me up.
So the guy said, well, have you you ever thought about getting in that beer space? I went, yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, my whole career, 40 years, it was training prayers and vitamins, the mantra, the character, Hulk Hogan made Terry the man, a better man as the years went by.

Speaker 4 And, you know, the make-a-wish kids and everything. I said, but...
Since I'm not wrestling anymore,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm looking for that wild, wild west deal all the time, once every 10 years, like a George Foreman grill or something. Which came and went.
I know, please don't bring that up.

Speaker 1 You did, you did, I know, you did, no. I know.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, brother. I'll tell you a story about that in a minute.
But anyway, anyway, make a long story short, he goes, well, would you think about doing something with beer?

Speaker 4 It's very competitive.

Speaker 4 I said, yeah, you know, I see this crazy open lane because Bud Light really came up with a horrible marketing plan, and they apparently didn't understand their audience like I thought they did.

Speaker 4 And so I see this open lane. for America's beer working backwards.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm thinking, mom, apple pie, baseball, wrestling, NASCAR, there's this crazy open lane because of all the other beers that are so competitive.

Speaker 4 America doesn't have their own beer, like America's team, like America's beer. And that would be a light beer.

Speaker 4 And I'm on my feet pivoting, you know, because like when I do promos and wrestling, I don't need a script or anything.

Speaker 1 Shooting bread.

Speaker 4 On the way in the ring, I'd be open to the show, and the writers would hand me these pages, you know. like 20 pages and they were hot.
And I look at Vince and I'd go, really?

Speaker 4 He'd go, I don't worry about it. So I just throw the pages up and go out there.
So I'm on pivoting, man. I'm on my feet.

Speaker 4 I'm, you know, I'm dancing, smoking mirrors, trying to to figure out how to put a period on the end of the slot, you know. And I'm going, you know, my neighbors don't even talk.

Speaker 4 The Republicans, the Democrats don't talk. But I said, when I used to wrestle, you know, I was traveling 300 days a year because there was no rock, no stone cold.

Speaker 4 It was just me for the first 25 years. And I had to be everywhere, double shots Wednesday, Friday, Saturday.
So I'd wrestle like 420 times a year. Jeez.
That's why I'm so beat up.

Speaker 1 Thanks for your service.

Speaker 1 To the business. Yeah.
Legitimately. Thanks for your service to the business.
Beat the shit out of your body.

Speaker 4 So I said, when I used to wrestle, you know, all the guys that I wrestled were huge. You know, Earthquake, Andre, Tugboat, one-man gang.
They were always all Jimmy's guys that had to wrestle.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Jimmy was working against you. So they were all, you know, 350, 425 pounds, King Kong Bundy.
So, hey, brother, come here.

Speaker 4 Let's talk. I don't never would talk about the match.
I just wanted to know who was going to win or lose.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're calling it out there, brother.

Speaker 4 Always call it out there. Yeah, bro.
You got to listen to the crowd. It's an art form.
So I said, brother, let's sit down.

Speaker 4 Let's have a beer because I figure if I can get them to loosen up, they wouldn't beat on me so hard. So I told this guy, the Democrats don't talk.
The neighbors don't talk back to my story.

Speaker 4 I even would, you know, have a beer with the wrestlers. So my idea is bring America back together one beer at a time.
And when I said it, I went, holy smokes. There it is.
Brilliant.

Speaker 4 And the guy's eyes went, whoa, I love that.

Speaker 4 So we were approached at that convention because I was at a convention in Atlanta by several other beer companies. And I told Chad, I said, bro,

Speaker 4 this is too hot right now because of the way America is percolating right now. Everybody wants the country back.
And this name, Real American Beer, is a home run. It's like pointing to center field.

Speaker 4 And then now, you know, I ran in my mouth because, you know, I was friends with Trump for 40 years.

Speaker 4 And I was one of those cowards that I wouldn't wear a Trump hat or I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my car. I'd vote for him, but I'd go hide.

Speaker 4 And then when they tried to kill him, it just pissed me off. Because this is a good guy, bro.
I've known him for a long time. He's a good human being.
It just pissed me off.

Speaker 4 And I told my new wife, I said, this might be a deal breaker, but I got to speak up. And then when I went to the Republican convention and did my thing, they had like, I'll talk forever.

Speaker 4 And I did my thing.

Speaker 1 Get a heart out in 33 seconds. I got you.

Speaker 4 They had all these writers that they wanted me to talk for four minutes. I had a suit on.
I was nervous. And I was trying to do it.
They had a podium in front of me, two in the back.

Speaker 4 And they said, well, you know, I was sweating, nervous. They said, maybe just do two minutes.
So I went out there, never said a word that was on the teleprompter.

Speaker 4 talked for nine and a half minutes, and they told my buddy Vo in the back at six minutes, you know, we may have to pull him off stage.

Speaker 1 All right, we'll continue this conversation

Speaker 1 with Hulk Gogan on YouTube. ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, we'll see you tomorrow.
Goodbye. All right, we're still digital.
We're still online. We just went off ESPN linear.

Speaker 1 They get a chance to see the whole thing.

Speaker 4 I'm going to shorten the story.

Speaker 1 No, no, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 But when you go and do that, when you go and do the Republican convention, you know immediately you're going to piss off, what, 47% of the country, especially with how political hatred is currently in the world?

Speaker 1 Do you think that, um, and first of all, uh, whenever you say a beer bringing the world together, uh, we talk about it a lot, how teams come together a lot more around a keg than they do kale.

Speaker 1 You know, this modern world that we're in, everybody's worried about drinking because they want their bodies to recover.

Speaker 1 You have a couple beers with some people, though, you can really learn about each other. You can kind of take the walls down, the guard down, and then really start chit-chatting.

Speaker 1 I love that that was kind of the initiative behind getting behind a beer is to bring the world together. Then as a friend of Trump, you go speak for Trump, then you piss off about half of the country.

Speaker 1 Are you still in the middle of feeling that? Like at the end of it, Dome.

Speaker 1 I don't think any of us expected that. No.
Oh, I did. You expected that? Because of the political stuff or because of everything else?

Speaker 4 You got to realize, last time I ran hard in L.A., I was a bad guy. I was Hollywood Hogan, man.
I was riding dirty with the boys, you know, Nash and Hall.

Speaker 4 And we were spray painting people and crotch shotting everybody and started out with the two sweet stuff.

Speaker 4 So last time I was there, I I was a heel, but I think the politics had a whole lot to do with it.

Speaker 1 Like you said, I would say, yeah, I would assume we get in the politics and also some other stuff, you know. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, when you're in a public eye for 40 years.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you do slip and fall a couple times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're going to see it. Everybody.

Speaker 4 Anyway, at the end of the day, we kind of looked at it the next day because, you know, I had like

Speaker 4 11 billion impressions, you know, and some of the other guys, some of the big stars that were on that car that night only had like 3 billion. I don't name names, but you know, we were through.

Speaker 1 So you were like, whoa. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Hate me some more.

Speaker 1 We actually ran a press conference the day after. I don't know if you got a chance to see it from the Hulkster, but we have a lot of questions for you.
Is that okay?

Speaker 4 Yeah, but the one thing is I was talking about the beer. You know,

Speaker 4 we're in a relationship with the WWE. You know, they're my partner in this thing.
And I had to be a good guy in L.A. Yes.

Speaker 4 Now, if this was for wrestling, And they turned on me like that, I'd have turned into a Hollywood Hulk, haven't I? So

Speaker 4 you hate me for for everything I've done for all the Make-A-Wish kids and everything I did for your kids. Well, guess what? I did it for the money.

Speaker 4 And by the way, and by the way, since you want so much hatred coming your way, I hope you have a good time when Kamala Harris, you know,

Speaker 4 is your new governor and you're all standing in the soup line, Mike drops, see you.

Speaker 1 Jeez, Louise. But I couldn't do that.

Speaker 4 But I was ready. I was ready to go after him.

Speaker 1 Well, I thought it was very professional of you to remain positive because I was listening to it and you're much more mentally tough than I am.

Speaker 1 But you've been, obviously, 40 years in the wrestling business. This is kind of your gig.
You understand people are going to boo. You understand people are going to cheer.

Speaker 1 You understand the heartbeat of people, which is why you call it an art form. You want to do what they're telling you to do.
Living in the spotlight for 40 years, a lot of things happen.

Speaker 1 With that being said, we have a lot of questions about a lot of it. And this guy loves real American beer.

Speaker 3 I do. I'd actually, I'd sucked out a nice cold one right now.
But just curious, being a big fan,

Speaker 3 when was the time like where you realized, like, I assume it wasn't overnight, but where it's like, oh, shit, I can't go anywhere anymore without everyone noticing me.

Speaker 3 Because like you said, you kind of, you were the company for the longest time. What was that point in time where it was like, shit, I just am Hulk Hogan now, everywhere I go, no matter what I do?

Speaker 4 Well, honestly, it's like before, I was in the WWWF, the Worldwide Wrestling Federation, before it became the WWF.

Speaker 4 So I was there working for Vince Sr. And when I came in, I was a bad guy.
It was green as hell. My punches, kicks, everything looked horrible.

Speaker 4 But I sold out Shea Stadium with Andre, had a bunch of matches with Backlund. I was a bad guy.
And I've told everybody this, they fired me when I did the Rocky movie.

Speaker 4 So I split and I had a, I was single at the time. I had a beautiful girl in Japan, which I love hanging out with.

Speaker 4 And I was up in Minnesota working for Vern Ganya, the best place in the world if you're a wrestler when there were territories everywhere. They

Speaker 4 paid really well. And you only had to work four days a week.
So bang, those other three days, I was in Japan. And we got this huge team together.
And we were going to push towards the East Coast.

Speaker 4 That That was our whole goal. And at the time,

Speaker 4 I got a card from a photographer at the Rosemont Horizon. He said, call Vince.
I said, I'm not calling Vince, man. He fired me.
He goes, no, Vince Jr.

Speaker 4 So I called Vince Jr. And when I went, I'd already had that Hulk Mania thing started in Minnesota.
And when I went back and they didn't play music, they didn't have merchandise.

Speaker 4 And I was doing the music thing in Minnesota, selling merchandise. When I went back, they weren't doing any of it.
So the night I went to the garden, they played Eye of the Tiger.

Speaker 4 The roof blew off the the place and broke. From that day forward, it was like riding a lightning bolt.
That whole Hulkamania thing took off. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And it was like everywhere I went, I couldn't go, hey, I'm Terry. I have to go, hey, what's up, brother? You had to give him just a little sauce.

Speaker 1 The amount of brother, how many brothers do you drop nowadays?

Speaker 4 Brother, brother, the problem is I can't remember anybody's name.

Speaker 1 Brother.

Speaker 4 You know, it's my age, and I've been hitting the head so darn much. That's one of the things.
So I went back to

Speaker 4 the WWE in like 2002 or six, Jimmy, what was it? They said, Chair Shutch you had to put your hand up. I said, why would I put my hand up?

Speaker 4 I said, oh, because, you know, the concussion thing, because I never put my hand up before.

Speaker 1 I was eating it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you just lean into it, bro, and take the shot. Whoa.

Speaker 1 How many, have you done the math on how many matches? You said four days I'm doing Minnesota and then the other three I'm doing Japan. Japan's like a 16-hour flight.

Speaker 4 Well, it depends where you leave from.

Speaker 4 If you leave from JFK, it's about 14 straight through. And if you go to drink with a giant all the way there, it's like a year.

Speaker 4 Because I used to at the 747, I'd go hide upstairs and I'd go, hey, boss. My seat was right next to Rusinoff, which was Andre's name, last name.
And I'd get early and run upstairs and hide from him.

Speaker 4 Hey, boss, come down. I put your seat next to me.
I'm like, oh, God, he's going to kill me. So I'd just have to drink with him all the way there.
It depends where you leave from, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you said 400-something matches in one year, 360.

Speaker 4 Well, at the height, at the height of it, you know, because I was doing two on Friday, two on Saturday. Like I'd hit, hit like like uh

Speaker 4 like a saturday i'd hit uh philadelphia spectrum at one o'clock and as gretzky and the boys were coming in i'd be leaving then i hit madison square garden that night then the next day i'd hit the boston garden at one o'clock then i'd hit the la forum that night you know so i could do like four matches and in two days easy and then when we did tv we shoot tv in allentown right jimmy we'd shoot like three four hours of tv i'd wrestle probably 11 10 11 times and shooting the tvs Jeez.

Speaker 4 You know, but then Vince scaled it way back and made me special, you know, and said, but he had to get me over first.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So have you thought about the number of bumps, you know, because the leg drop, and obviously you have a lot of detractors from the business because you were the guy, top guy.

Speaker 1 So a lot of people wanted that spot. But a lot of people have talked about the way you worked in the ring.
Was the reason why you worked in the ring the way you did?

Speaker 1 potentially because of how many matches you had? And that leg drop, what is that? That spine, hips, everything, right?

Speaker 4 Well, the whole thing is when I see people like

Speaker 4 Brian Daniels, you know, or Kevin Owens or Chris Jericho, I say, brother, keep the boots on the ground.

Speaker 4 This is all about, well, for me, the psychology was there were none of these guaranteed contracts. So if you got hurt and broke your arm or broke your ankle, you didn't get paid.

Speaker 4 So my whole thing was I went 25 years without getting hurt. Actually, I did blow my knee out.

Speaker 4 If you ever watch that match with the Iron Sheik, I jumped up to drop the knee on his leg and one of the boards was off in the ring and it blew my left knee out.

Speaker 4 So I go hobbling back to the room after I won the title from the sheet going, my God, my knee's gone. And I told my wife Linda at the time, I said, I don't think I'm going to make it.

Speaker 4 So I kept that knee wrap for like 15 years, never had a cut on. But the reason I worked the way I did was I could work with anybody.

Speaker 4 You know, I could work with a big guy, I could work with Piper, I could work with a wrestler. You know, I had like, it was so easy to do because the character was over, you know, and I.

Speaker 4 If I got in the ring with somebody, if I could just look at them, you know, or just look at you, and I could hear the rumble, I would know know how hard I had to work that night.

Speaker 4 Just as soon as I got in the ring, if it was dead, I'm going, okay, I'm gonna have to grind for about anything and sell.

Speaker 4 I'm having to beat my ass for about seven or eight minutes before I start begging the crowd to help me. And then once I start coming up, well, here we go, you know.

Speaker 4 But, you know, it was the character was so over, it was, it made it so I didn't have to, you know, do anything too crazy.

Speaker 1 I know you're Hulk Hogan, okay? And I know you've been a superstar like six different times. Do you get pissed whenever you hear people run their mouth about what you did or how you did what you did?

Speaker 4 No, brother. You know, it's all good.
Like

Speaker 1 you have to have a lot of guys

Speaker 4 great athletes, okay? They're all great. The business has changed so much.
They do so much stuff in one match. I mean, I wouldn't do that much stuff in a year.
I see some of the stuff these guys do.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day, the wrestlers, you know, the size has changed. All the guys, I was a 310-pound guy.
I was a medium-sized guy, you know. And now the wrestlers are smaller.

Speaker 4 They do more moves. They do all kinds of stuff.
I got nothing but respect for these guys. You know, they're so dedicated.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day, you know, they don't realize what happened and how this got to be to where 180-pound or 200, 220-pound guy could be a main event guy.

Speaker 4 There was a lot of changes, you know, over the years. And a lot of that happened because we admitted it was sports entertainment.

Speaker 4 And some of the stuff they don't realize is, you know, flying into Kansas City, never supposed to cross that imaginary line to Kansas City territory.

Speaker 4 Harley Race pulling a gun at me saying, I'm going to blow your brains out. I've been the champ here, the NWA champ, for 18 years here.

Speaker 4 You know, stuff happened along the way that a lot of guys don't know about, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's why I think there is a very, from a lot of guys, a gratitude for the OGs for laying the groundwork for where we are today.

Speaker 1 Thank you for the Road Warrior and also staring down, I guess, Harley Race's pistol

Speaker 1 to make this whole thing happen.

Speaker 4 Harley Race was a great guy. He just really just wanted a job.

Speaker 1 He wanted respect too. I think he was.

Speaker 4 No, he did.

Speaker 4 Brother, he was a tough son of a gun. We gave him respect.

Speaker 1 But you, you, and Vince, there's obviously a lot of documentaries, a lot of history.

Speaker 1 I've seen it all about how the growth of the company and from territories to taking it over to a national to cable to everything. It's unbelievable.
How do you feel about its current state?

Speaker 1 70,000 plus for a Royal Rumble at Lucas Hollow Stadium. Netflix deal worth $5 billion

Speaker 1 being streamed around the world. How do you feel about the current state? Are you jaded at all or are you proud of these?

Speaker 4 No, I'm so proud of these guys. It's like, I mean, you got guys like Seth Rollins, you got like CM Punk, you got like Roman Reigns, you got Cody Rhodes, Kevin Owens.
I could go down the list.

Speaker 4 All these guys are stars and they carry their weight. I mean, and they don't come up short.
I just pray to God they don't get hurt. Yeah.
You know, because the storylines are so intense.

Speaker 4 The Usos and just the, these guys have all stepped up because they work so hard. They work harder than I did.
I mean, these guys are working their butts off. And I got nothing but respect.

Speaker 4 And the product is insane. I never dreamed it would get to this level.
Yeah. You know, I was walking out the other day in LA

Speaker 4 and I was standing on the ramp and Stephanie McMahon was there, you know, and I said, oh my gosh, man, things are so cool. And it's just amazing how big it's got.

Speaker 4 She goes, well, you know, I'm not involved anymore. I said, B.S., you're the one that tells him what to do.
Triple H, you know? Yeah, yeah. And I was just teasing with her.

Speaker 4 She goes, oh, but you're the one that. built this thing.
You started. I'm like, oh, well, thank you for saying that.
But me and her dad were in the trenches trying to get this thing going.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people that feel that way, way though. It's not just a few.
You know, and obviously there's a lot of fans that have experienced a lot of things with you over the years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, because like I mentioned earlier, 40 years in the spotlight, there's a lot of shit. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you know, you gotta. You regret a lot.
You regret a lot of the shit? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, you got to ride the highs and survive the lows. The first thing I regret is being so stupid in the ring.

Speaker 4 At the time, I mean, I'm 72 years old now, but at the time, my arms are legitimately 23, 24 inches.

Speaker 1 So if you've got 24-inch arms, why are you doing the leg leg drop oh see your piss you even hit that and ruin your spine why don't you do the sleeper yeah yeah no bump you take the guy down all the way up you can poke you know run you into the buckle back you know the buckle throw you the top rope there's a million outs you know but why why the leg drop stupid i'm smart yeah yeah you're a professional wrestler iconic yeah the leg drop is iconic and uh i want to let you know whenever i had a match with the miz uh at wrestlemania yeah a couple years back I potentially wanted to end it with a leg drop.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 how about just a leg drop at the end of this thing?

Speaker 4 I got to say something now.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a good strategy.

Speaker 1 I had to punt it up in the head. Obviously, he wouldn't have been down there.
But

Speaker 1 what you did for the business is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 But I got to say something because you brought it in. I didn't mention The Miz's name.
What a pro this guy is. Dude.
Good God.

Speaker 1 Healthy, too.

Speaker 4 You talk about a professional, bro, and I've been watching him. This kid, he's not a kid.
This man, excuse me, Mike, this guy doesn't miss a beat, bro. He's spot on.

Speaker 1 Did a Spanish fly the other night,

Speaker 1 20 years into this thing. See, you know, put over Andrade, I believe.
He just.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 A thousand plus losses, I think. What's the number?

Speaker 3 Something like that.

Speaker 4 Actually, I was at the bar the other night with his dad. Was it Cleveland, Jimmy? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Mrs. Dad was there with us at the bar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were there yesterday sitting with the second row, I believe, at the basketball game. Cavs beat the hell.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Bonovan, how smooth is he, bro? Smooth. I'm sitting there behind the announcer's table.
They're walking by going, hey, what's up, Hawk? I'm like, they're ripping their shirt off.

Speaker 4 They're going, where are you going to partying at later? I'm like, you know, the coach is right there. I'm like.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. They want to drink a couple real American bears.

Speaker 4 No, but the last time I got involved was a basketball thing, I had Phil Jackson calling me because I had Rodman down in Florida partying with me. He wouldn't go back to practice for the finals.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So I got Phil Jackson calling me. Where is he at? I said, I don't know.
He won't go back. That was documented in the last dance.

Speaker 5 You've been a big basketball fan? I see you with the the Kevin Durant. Have you always been a big-time basketball fan?

Speaker 4 Not all the time, but yeah, if somebody special comes along, I get hooked.

Speaker 1 Oh, so Donovan Mitchell's with you,

Speaker 4 yeah. I'm one of the old school guys, man.
You know, back in the day, George's my guy. You know, like I said, you know, Donovan's smooth.
He's got the Jordan movement, but

Speaker 4 he's got some more to go to be where Michael's at, you know. But I got a chance to watch him up close last night.
Smooth as butter. Yeah.
Having fun.

Speaker 1 What size are those shoes?

Speaker 4 17.

Speaker 4 Ring 17. What What else do you want to melt? Nope.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we, well,

Speaker 1 we know. You know, we know.

Speaker 1 I forgot. Yeah, yeah, Connor.
Whoa. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Connor has a question for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, stay away, Hulkster.

Speaker 6 But when it came to like heeling and being a babyface, did you love it? Like, we asked Stephanie last week kind of about her heel run, and she said she loved being the heel.

Speaker 6 Did you like that side of it? And did you like both of them? Like, did you prefer being a babyface? What were your feelings right now? Bro, it was

Speaker 4 the ride was just so shocking. It's like if you were to turn the corner and walk in the men's restroom, all of a sudden there would be three aliens from Mars there.
You'd go,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 4 My first ride, when I took off with that red and yellow,

Speaker 4 I didn't know why the kids were coming to me. I wasn't ready for it.
And then all of a sudden, I got used to it. And now at this point in life, thank God it's still happening.

Speaker 4 I didn't understand the role model thing and how much the character meant and people being buried with my Hulk Hogan shirts on and a picture of me on the guy's grave.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's just amazing how much these people love.

Speaker 1 That freaks you out a little bit, right? A lot of pressure.

Speaker 1 A lot of pressure, brother, to be perfect.

Speaker 4 It is, but it also makes me realize, you know, a lot of my friends go, you keep forgetting your Hulk Hogan, you know, and then Triple H has told me that, don't forget your Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 4 It like straightens me up, you know, and because it's just a situation that it was such a good run.

Speaker 4 And, you know, then there were some people, you know, that thought my run was over. You know, I had a disagreement with Vince on that.
I didn't think the run was over.

Speaker 4 And so, you know, I wanted to be a bad guy after the Ultimate Warrior thing, you know, because after he won the belt from me, I wanted to go down the aisle and do the three Stooges turn.

Speaker 4 Slowly, I turned to go back and crucify him, you know, and turn into Triple H. Good turn.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 1 That would have been a good turn.

Speaker 4 But Vince didn't want me to do it, so we kept working and working and working. I could tell the thrill was gone, the honeymoon was over.

Speaker 4 But then when I turned into a bad guy, it was almost like it was so cool to turn into the snidely whiplash evil character where I'd grind and beat people.

Speaker 4 And then when they come at me, oh, please don't hurt me. I crossed my fingers.
You know, I'm sorry. You know, I mean, it was just so fun to do it.
And then the lines got blurry.

Speaker 4 They started cheering me, you know. And it's like when I went out with a rock, you know, I'm going down the ramp and they're cheering me.

Speaker 4 And the rock starts punching me in the ring and I started booing him. You know, I was like, oh my God, we got to get this flipped around here.
So

Speaker 4 it got a little tough to navigate, you know, but since I call stuff in the ring, it's easy to just need a couple minutes to get us back to center, you know, bracket all the BS and then go back to center.

Speaker 1 NWO still the biggest thing you've been a part of? I think you said that whenever you did the

Speaker 1 return at SummerSlam or WrestleMania, I believe you talked about Hogan's Hangout, how the NWO merch is.

Speaker 4 Oh, it's still selling, bro. But the thing is, the red and yellow stuff's still selling.
I've got two retail stores. I got one in Clearwater Beach, and I got one in Orlando.

Speaker 4 I can't keep the stuff in stock. I mean, it's selling like crazy.

Speaker 1 When's karaoke night?

Speaker 4 Monday night. I'm missing what?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 What do you sing?

Speaker 1 I am a real

Speaker 1 man.

Speaker 1 How about tequila?

Speaker 4 Well, there's one word, tequila, in the whole song.

Speaker 4 Tequila.

Speaker 1 Not a bad.

Speaker 4 No, but it's been great, man. And the wrestling business has been so good to me.
It's just... It's crazy.
Jimmy and I talk all the time. It's almost like what's old is new again, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, AJ is in Ohio.

Speaker 4 He has a question for you gotcha yeah hulk hulk you mentioned uh listening to the crowd you said it's like an art form i know you're a musician you played music and you've been in bands did that help you like listen to the the crowd and kind of get a feel and help with your stage presence well it did help a lot because i played music for like 10 years before i ever got in the wrestling business and when we were getting ready to go on the road with a band called blackfoot one of the singers just the singer just got married and uh one of the guitar players had this girlfriend they didn't want to leave so i got pissed and i said that's it.

Speaker 4 I'm quitting. I'm going to be the greatest wrestler that ever lived.
And they all fell on the floor laughing. And, you know, of course, why not?

Speaker 4 But then the stage presence of being in front of those live crowds six nights a week, because we would play from 9 till 2 in the morning. Jimmy Hart was all about that.
He was a musician, too.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, Jimmy's playing until 3, 4 a.m.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no doubt. And so

Speaker 4 I got used to being in front of that crowd, brother, so that when I got...

Speaker 4 in front of a wrestling crowd and I broke in in Florida and, you know, and when I walked out to the ring, I I didn't have the jitters.

Speaker 4 You know, I was already used to being in front of that crowd, so it did help a lot.

Speaker 1 Whenever you kind of live your life day to day, what's the goal?

Speaker 1 Like when you're waking up today, like, you know, I want people to better understand who I am, who might misunderstand me a little bit, might have taken something that I've done wrong in the past out of context.

Speaker 1 I want to sell some real American beer. I want to put over Hulk Hogan.
What is the day-to-day at this stage?

Speaker 4 Well, the weirdest thing is, you know, I I don't want to sound like a Bible thump or holy glory, it's just to be at peace, to be at peace, because, you know, I was saved when I was 14, you know, accepted Christ as my

Speaker 4 savior when I was 14. Of course, I derailed music and wrestling and all the debacry.
We went nuts. And then, you know, I've been through a couple divorces.

Speaker 4 And I just couldn't understand why this was happening. And a lot of it had to do with me and the lifestyle and everything.

Speaker 4 And then once I got remarried the third time, my wife and I both got baptized. I just really went back to my faith.
And all of a sudden, it just kind of straightened everything up for me, you know?

Speaker 4 So the weird part is, is once you're at peace, you know, the good doesn't prevent the better. And things keep getting better and better and better.
And, you know,

Speaker 4 if I'm going to work, I'm going to work. If I'm not going to work, I'm going to sit my butt on the couch and, you know, binge watch TV or something.

Speaker 4 So it's always, if I'm working, I'm searching for greatness, you know, greatness with the beer. I want this to be the number one beer in America.
Same thing when I wrestle.

Speaker 4 I want to be the number one wrestler. It's whatever I do,

Speaker 4 the final goal is greatness. So for me to be working at my age, you know, and be, it's a blessing.
How old are you? I'm 71. I'll be 72 in August.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday. We missed a few.
Yep. Still working out? Still working out?

Speaker 4 Yeah, brother. I hit it for about an hour and a half a day.

Speaker 1 What do we do? We do beach. We do full body.
What's the workout?

Speaker 4 Well, bodybuilding. You know, I go to gym in my garage.
I weigh 265 pounds now. The last time I weighed this, I was in ninth grade.

Speaker 4 So I've always been over 300 pounds, but I had 10 back surgeries, both hips replaced, both knees, two shoulders, a couple surgeries on my face, my eye.

Speaker 4 And just, you know, the back surgeries killed me. That's why I can't walk from here to there.

Speaker 1 No, you can. We saw you.

Speaker 4 No, I was hanging on to Jimmy.

Speaker 1 Okay, but you still got both feet got there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. But it's cool, you know, and it's like life is so darn, so darn good

Speaker 4 that once you realize it, now that I see, it's almost like, and here we go, Bible thump you guys, bro. It's not Democratic, Republican.
It's not who won or who lost.

Speaker 4 It's almost like a spiritual thing where we're all turning back to being good and the country being great again. And just everybody wants quality of life.
And I see it happening and it's changing.

Speaker 4 So this is the greatest time ever to be alive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're calling it projecting a golden era. At least, you know, that is the goal of the entire thing.
I hope that's the case. Unity is something that is beautiful.

Speaker 1 And the wrestling world has a lot of different people involved that are fans. You know, a lot of different fans.
Republicans, Democrats, rich, poor, you name it. Everybody in the building.

Speaker 1 Has it always been that way? Because I think a lot of people joke about wrestling fans that haven't been around a long time.

Speaker 1 They always think it's like the dumb people from the South are the wrestling fans. That's not the case.
No, no. Wrestling draws everybody, I think.
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 1 And has it always been like that?

Speaker 4 No, it's always been like that. And I told Trump, you know, when we were talking in private at Madison Square Garden at the Nazi rally, you know,

Speaker 4 and I told him, I said, bro, I've been out on the road like, oh, he, and he held my beer too. He goes, even though I don't drink Hogan, I'm going to take a picture with your can.

Speaker 1 The real American baby.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And so I was telling him, I said, brother, I said, I've been looking at these polls.

Speaker 4 You know, they say, you're two points ahead of here, and this poll, this pollster, and this pollster says you're two points behind.

Speaker 4 I said, I've been on the road for six months peddling beer, and I see, you know, people are in school and they're at work during the day.

Speaker 4 And that's when we have the appearances like at the Walmarts and the Krogers.

Speaker 4 krogers we got two three thousand people showing up in the middle of the day you know and they're all fans or they're all you know love wrestling and stuff i said my fans are democrats and they're republicans and everybody wants you so i don't know how it could possibly be even so the night i went to bed he was he was ahead like

Speaker 4 18 electoral votes and i thought for sure when i went to bed at 11 30 I was going to wake up in the morning. They'd steal the election, you know.

Speaker 4 I woke up at 4 o'clock in the morning to take a piss, and he'd won.

Speaker 1 I went, what?

Speaker 4 And so when he had told me Hogan is going to be too big to rig, I thought it was like a catchphrase, like, what you going to do, brother? I thought it was just a catch, but he was serious.

Speaker 1 Did you think, did you tell him maybe he should add brother at the end of that? Too big to rig. Brother.

Speaker 4 No, but let me tell you something. I got to take credit for being the first athlete.

Speaker 4 When I did the convention in Madison Square Garden, I did his dance before anybody did.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying it caught on a little bit because.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because of me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you did it great, too. No rhythm.
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no ego involved. How do you feel about everybody that says that about you? That's one big takeaway.

Speaker 1 This guy's an egotistical maniac is what people, your detractors say. You said you're at peace.
Obviously, you're trying to do your thing.

Speaker 1 But there's always going to be detractors from, what, four different decades of success.

Speaker 4 Well, mostly the haters are the ones that haven't worked with me, you know, or they don't know me, which is cool. And, you know, everybody has an ego in the wrestling business.
I get it.

Speaker 4 I have respect for anybody that could stick this business out, you know, because I've seen the UFC guys, basketball players football players come they get a day that they want to go back to where they came from you know great guys like current anglin brock lesnar you know they're benjamin shelton there's some really tough guys that have stuck it out but the people that you know say i'm all ego driven you have to have a certain ego in this business because back in the day i had the top spot bro guess what everybody else wants yep Everybody else wants that spot.

Speaker 4 Guess who makes the most money? The guy with the top spot. Okay.
And the best worker is the guy that makes makes the most money. I don't care who you are, you know?

Speaker 4 I don't care what your style is in the ring. The best worker is the guy that makes the most money.
And that guy's Vince McMahon, or it was for a lot of years, you know, because he was the boss.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day, the people that say I have an ego,

Speaker 4 they haven't worked with me.

Speaker 1 I don't hurt anybody. It was also a necessity, you think.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God. I have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for you to survive.

Speaker 4 Oh, for me to survive? Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 You had to have a confidence about yourself that, because there's a lot of people trying to get the wrestling business, you talked about a gun to your face. Yeah.

Speaker 1 i mean if you watch any documentary about what it used to be cutthroat is an understatement let alone the politics in the locker room and everything like that you had to have an unflappable confidence arrogance almost to be able to continue to do your job and if it wasn't you it was going to be somebody right and you got to realize when i got in this business there were like six guys sitting in the locker room broken noses cauliflower ears teeth knocked out they're all 320 330 pounds and for me to take his job I had to take the food out of his family's mouth.

Speaker 4 Nobody wanted me in the business when I started in 77. It was a different business back in 1977.

Speaker 4 And nothing personal, but those big 300 and 350 pound guys, a lot of these guys are in the business now. If it was still the way it was, they wouldn't be in this business.

Speaker 4 You know, the guys that are about 70, 80 pounds, they would never have let them in the business. But thank God it's changed because these guys are super athletes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Great show. You know, anytime you talk to an OG wrestler, the conversation is always like, ah, they're planning spots and yada, yada, yada.
They don't call it in the ring.

Speaker 1 I don't think anybody's calling anything in the ring anymore because there's so many eyes on everything and you know obviously best wrestler wins every single day that is that is kind of how we view it i like to hear the fact that you're not like jaded and hate all the young guys no bro no i mean a lot of the guys don't like me but i got respect for them i understand

Speaker 4 they're gonna go through a period they're gonna

Speaker 4 perfect example when i was working at wcw There's a whole group of young guys. They're all my friends now.

Speaker 4 Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, a whole bunch of young guys that were, they didn't want anybody in the business over 40.

Speaker 4 I love Chris Jericho how is Jericho now he's one of my favorite friends yeah I don't know you know he's got him here 50 yeah he's just cruising so things have changed but they didn't understand at the time Hogan's the oldest one let's get rid of him there was a lot of that going on back then but the thing is

Speaker 4 to get rid of me I was the star in the 80s and here goes the ego to get rid of me I should have been gone in the 90s You know they really should they had 10 years to replace me, but they didn't so I was the star in the 90s And then when that didn't happen, guess what happened?

Speaker 4 I still rolled in the 2000s.

Speaker 1 Hogan knows best.

Speaker 4 So, well, whatever.

Speaker 1 How'd you feel about that?

Speaker 4 Hindsight. How do I feel about it? I'd never do it again.

Speaker 1 Ever?

Speaker 1 I watched. I was a fan.

Speaker 4 Not with my family, not in the house. Too much.
Oh, bro, brutal. Brutal.
I mean, I'd wake up in the morning. The production crew would be outside.

Speaker 4 They'd be putting the mic and me and on my kids and everything. Like at 7 o'clock in the morning.
They wouldn't leave till 10 at night. It was brutal.
Yeah, it's a lot. It was brutal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but if it means anything as a fan of the show, I think it was a great show. Your misery was certainly worth it.
Without a doubt. If it means anything.
Ty has a question for you, Hulkster.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you mentioned Rocky III getting fired. I always used to read a story that I don't know if it was when you went in shooting, someone

Speaker 3 told you, like, hey, you need to put on for the wrestling business. Like, you need to beat the shit out of Sylvester Stallone in the ring.

Speaker 4 Like, actually shoot.

Speaker 3 go at him.

Speaker 3 Was there any truth to that? Because obviously in like with Thunderlips in Rocky 3,

Speaker 3 I always remembered reading a story that you did some serious damage to Sly Stallone and that you guys maybe had some beef like afterwards, after the filming was over.

Speaker 4 No beef, but he's the one that wanted it to be real. Because

Speaker 4 it's such a weird story. When I broke in wrestling at Florida, there was a guy named Tom Renesto that was the booker.
Okay.

Speaker 4 My first day when I went down, a guy named Hiro Matsuda, and I thought it was in good shape. He exercised me until I was ready to faint, burpees,

Speaker 4 jumping squats.

Speaker 4 He made me run around Tampa Stadium a couple times, followed me in the station wagon like two feet behind me till I was ready to pass out, got me in the ring, put his elbow on my shin, grabbed my toe and broke my leg.

Speaker 4 First day. Don't ever come back again.
I was playing a rock and roll band, had long blonde hair down my back, thought I was a tough guy, but I wasn't.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day, when I went out to do the Rocky movie, there was Tom Ronesto. And Tom Ronesto was coordinating this whole thing.

Speaker 4 So Stallone, and Stallone could tell I wasn't real happy with the guy. And so Stallone goes, come in my trailer, let's lunch together.
So he goes, well, what do you think of this guy?

Speaker 4 I said, well, brother, you know, it's going to look like a bunch of fiction in there. You know, I didn't know anything about the movies.
I've never done a movie before.

Speaker 4 I negotiated Stallone with my fee on the side of the ring. He gave me 14 grand to do the part.
You know, I've never had an agent or anything before.

Speaker 4 And so he goes, well, what do you think would happen? I said, well, brother, I'm 330 pounds. You know, I'm 29 years old.
I got a 34-inch waist. And I've been over in Japan.
I can really go right now.

Speaker 4 I said, if you were to reach out with a boxing glove and try to hit me at 160 pounds, I'd break you in half like a chicken one.

Speaker 4 You know, I really would. So he goes, well, what do we do to make it real? I said, well,

Speaker 4 what do we need to do? I don't understand filming. He goes, well, we only need two or three big setups.
I said, okay. Well, charge me in the corner.
I'll move. I'll slam you.
I'll pick it.

Speaker 4 He goes, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 One move is one thing, like charge me moving. That's one setup.
I didn't realize that. Camera's got to shoot his point of view, my point of view, and then a wide shot.

Speaker 4 You know, I didn't realize just one punch was a big setup. I didn't understand that.
So once he told me what he needed, I went, we don't need Tom Renesto. I can do this.

Speaker 4 So basically, we blocked everything out, move by move.

Speaker 4 And a couple times I did hurt him. I hit him with a high knee in the corner, and I thought I broke his collarbone.
I threw a punch.

Speaker 4 If you ever watch it again, I throw a straight-in punch to his forehead that came from down here. It's one of the best punches I've ever seen thrown.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 No, watch it again. That straight-in punch.
You can't beat it. And then when I power slammed him, he wanted to take it.
Instead of putting him in the middle of the ring, I was a Prizik.

Speaker 4 And I ran with him and I put him in the corner to teach him a lesson. And when my chest hit his chest and I bounced up, I saw the blood go right out of his mouth.
And I'm like, oh, hell.

Speaker 4 And he goes, let's do it again.

Speaker 1 I'm going, dude, you're crazy. Yeah, well, it ended up being absolutely like one of the biggest moments in the history of film and obviously wrestling in the entire thing.

Speaker 1 Shout out to you piecing it together, big old brain. No crowd either.
She can't even, you know, take the feel of it.

Speaker 4 It was just stock stuff. It's just, he said, what would happen if a 300-pound wrestler got in the room with a 160-pound boxer?

Speaker 1 And I would eat your fists.

Speaker 4 If you got close enough to get to me, it'd be over.

Speaker 1 Prizik, huh? You still talking?

Speaker 4 It was always Tizz Ok Kiz on you, Brizz other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's gay fame for Rizzio, brother.

Speaker 4 Well, that was the problem of the last time we went back to the WWE. Vince was there.
He said, hey, Viz, Vince, what's up with the Gizzies in the BizZack room?

Speaker 4 They're just his hanging out with big ears. They just listen to everything with Dizzy.
And he goes, Terry, we don't speak Carney here anymore.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 You don't?

Speaker 1 Yeah. What's up with the boys in the back? They're listening to everything that we're saying.

Speaker 4 Well, Cody Rhodes and a bunch of guys speak Carney, right? Jimmy Cody still speaks. Yes.

Speaker 1 There's the people that are brought up into business.

Speaker 4 Roman Reigns speaks it, yeah. The people that brought up it.
The whole crew.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about generational wrestlers? How do you feel about like second generation, third generation? Because obviously the bloodline, we talked about that. Jenny Uso just won the Rumble.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it makes life easy, man. It makes these guys have it in their blood, so they'll work hurt.
A lot of people don't want to work hurt, you know.

Speaker 4 Like if you break your thumb or something in the spectrum in the afternoon, you're in the garden a couple hours later, nobody complains. You work hurt.

Speaker 4 You know, teeth knocked out, broken nose is not a big thing. You know, it's these generational wrestlers understand what their parents went through and their grandparents.

Speaker 4 So it's like Orton, you know, Bob Orton. I wrestled his dad.
And when I first started in Florida, Big O was in the territory. I was a job guy.
I did a squash match where Big O's grandfather.

Speaker 4 So I wrestled three of the Ortons, you know?

Speaker 1 Who's Mount Rushmore? When you do Mount Rushmore, obviously a lot of people put you on there because of what you did for the business. How do you judge it? Is it money earned, business change?

Speaker 1 Whenever people do those Mount Rushmores, what do you think they should think about?

Speaker 4 It's not money. It's not money.
I can tell you right now who it'd be. I can tell you who the four guys are right now.
It's Andre the Giant. Okay.
It's it's Roddy Piper

Speaker 4 it's without doubt it's Ric Flair

Speaker 1 and Macho Man okay that's that's that's the real Mount Rushmore okay so you left out obviously attitude error there you left out modern generation yeah and that's because you believe company doesn't exist through those guys laid the groundwork for everybody that came after them now obviously you are omitting yourself from that a lot of people if you were going to do that job those guys made me if it wasn't for those guys I wouldn't be Hulk Hogan Macho man.

Speaker 1 You and he, obviously, a lot of deep history. And the NWO turn was with and on Macho, obviously, in the world upside down with it.

Speaker 1 Whenever you look back on your relationship with him, how do you view it?

Speaker 4 Well, the good thing is right before he passed away, we kissed and made up.

Speaker 1 That's huge. I think that's a big deal.
Lifelong reviews.

Speaker 4 We were together every day. I mean, we traveled together.
He lived right down the beach from me. We trained every day.
We did everything together.

Speaker 4 And then when he went to the divorce, yeah, Hogan, you're the one that did this to us. But you got in your ear.
I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 It was my wife?

Speaker 4 Not me. You know, my wife took her down to Miami.
It was game over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I heard about that.

Speaker 4 It was game over, man.

Speaker 4 Good God.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But,

Speaker 4 you know, then he hated me for like eight or ten years. And

Speaker 4 then he got remarried to his high school sweetheart. And I guess he kind of calmed down a little bit.
And I was at the doctor's office. I was having some heart problems or something.

Speaker 4 He came in there with his mom. And I'm just sitting there on that paper table, you know, with one of my ex-wives.

Speaker 4 And he walks in and he opened the door. My eyes got this big.
And my ex-wife really didn't know who he was. And he was like, what's up, brother? And I'm like, man, you look great, man.

Speaker 4 Because he got his size back. Because he went from Spider-Man, 290 down to about 180.

Speaker 4 And I ran into him in TNA, and it wasn't cool. We weren't cool, but

Speaker 4 he was kind of like...

Speaker 4 very small. I kind of felt bad, you know, and he was, didn't look real great.
And then I saw him this last time and he, oh man, he he looks like Randy.

Speaker 4 He was 240, healthy, and he had a wedding ring on. He goes, I married my high school sweetheart.
And I introduced my ex-wife to him. And she goes, oh, Mr.

Speaker 4 Macho, man, if you want to, we're having dinner. Terry's got a bunch of his lawyers over there.
I was like, no, I don't need any lawyers. Everything else starts slow, you know.

Speaker 4 So then I was with Lanny, his brother. We were doing some independent stuff up in Canada, wrestling in some places up in Canada.
And we called, and I guess his dog or something had just died.

Speaker 4 I don't know what it was, but he was all, and he was, his dog was his favorite person, you know, and his German shepherd.

Speaker 1 Man's best friend.

Speaker 4 Yeah, man. And Randy loved that dog.
The whistle of sleep.

Speaker 4 That kind of, that's how he would whistle for his dog, that.

Speaker 4 I can't do it, but that's how he do it. Yeah, sound like you.
Yeah. So anyway, we called Randy.
Hey, we're going to be back this weekend.

Speaker 4 We're going to have a barbecue with your mom and stuff like that. And I'll be damned, he passed away.
before we got back. Okay.

Speaker 1 But you do have a sense of.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we were cool at the end, man.

Speaker 1 It was really cool because he was back to being randy you know any other situations you think that the world has misconstrued about you

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 4 i don't know i mean i'm not trying here to to you know make excuses for anything i mean some some

Speaker 4 no i think that's a big piece of information there with macho man i feel like i followed closely i did not know that was the case so i assume there's other things throughout no i mean you know as people either like me or they don't you know there's no in between a lot of people think that i ran the show or i had the power of the pencil i mean you know i've I've heard Brett Hart

Speaker 4 say that I destroyed his career because I had the pencil, you know, but then, you know, he's hated Vince and he's hated Flair and he's hated Bischoff and Goldberg. Everybody hates everybody.

Speaker 4 So, I mean, I don't know where I fall in line there.

Speaker 1 You don't know where you are hating him. I don't know.

Speaker 4 Well, the funny thing was last time I saw him.

Speaker 1 Will you ever try to reach out and make right?

Speaker 4 Oh, if I saw him, I'd... Well, the last time I saw him, I was in a WWE locker room and I was being called to go to the gorilla position.

Speaker 4 And when I opened the door, Natty, who I loved to death, was standing there with Brett. Hey, Brett, how you doing? I shook his hand real quick.
I don't think he realized I did it.

Speaker 1 He's snowing. No.

Speaker 4 I said, hey, Brett, how you doing? He stuck his hand out. I shook it real quick and I was gone before

Speaker 4 he realized it was me, I think.

Speaker 1 Much like you did with Macho, man, before.

Speaker 4 What's that?

Speaker 6 You guys, you know, made up.

Speaker 1 Ooh, Brett?

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, we haven't talked at all.

Speaker 1 No, but I'm saying you should do that with everybody.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'd love to. I think it would be.
Oh, I love Brett to death. I think he's cool as hell, man, but I don't know.
You know, bro, it is what it is with your career. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, especially with where the business is.

Speaker 4 I'll put it to you this way: if you could have done any better, you would have. Okay.

Speaker 1 I respect that. I mean, it's about everybody.
That's every sport, by the way.

Speaker 4 Everybody makes their own deal, brother.

Speaker 1 That's not just professional wrestling. That happens in football.
That happens in hockey. That happens in basketball.
There's a lot of guys that think they got screwed by everybody.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, I'm not hating Vince McMahon because he did better than me.

Speaker 1 Now, Bret Hart, though, was a guy, though. Remember.
That's why it's interesting that there is still that. I hope you get a chance to bury the hatch with everybody.

Speaker 4 Oh, I hope so, dude.

Speaker 1 Because you guys, you, your crew, just like you mentioned, you were Mount Rushmore, obviously built this business to become what it has become.

Speaker 4 You guys got a cold beer?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have some shit. We need something.

Speaker 4 I want a cold beer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he'll have one too. We got some boys that are running to the back.
With that being said, I think we're going to wrap this up.

Speaker 1 I got against Cleveland for Raw.

Speaker 4 Man, oh, that's right. That's right.

Speaker 1 You were just there. I didn't know if you were going to Raw or not.

Speaker 4 I didn't know if I was or not, man. I had no idea.

Speaker 1 What is the plan? What is life? We're going around Real American beer?

Speaker 4 Well, I got a bunch of other stuff going too. You know, I'm getting ready to, I don't want to talk too much, but I'm getting ready to open a bar in New York.
What?

Speaker 4 what wow hey what are you doing real american bar i don't have my phone with me i'll show you where it's at okay if this is madison square garden okay right here that's the mecca and this is the entrance okay penn station right yeah

Speaker 4 walking from here to the thunderdome sign right there wow here's the entrance of madison square and pen my restaurants on that corner is the old barbecue place hogan's hangout No, I ain't Hogan's Hangout.

Speaker 4 I ain't gonna tell you the name yet.

Speaker 1 Is that a bar, though? Yeah. Okay, so you've run bars before.
Yeah. You understand the bar business oh yeah so this should not be a problem

Speaker 4 i don't know this is gonna be a wild one

Speaker 4 love it what do you mean i don't know i mean it's it's you know there's a million people a day walk by the front of the place you know so

Speaker 4 are you gonna be out front i'm gonna be everywhere brother you doing this one right here yeah i'm gonna be i've got real american beer all over the place there so it's gonna get crazy there they are oh come on the cold beer please cold beer cold beer sword see i'm semi-retired word nice catch things upside down.

Speaker 4 Wade.

Speaker 1 Ty will take one. Downtown.
Wade.

Speaker 4 Oh, it's foamed up. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I tossed it. Yeah, Coleman, you in? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Deemus.
I want to drink.

Speaker 4 Hey, that skit you guys did on the show was crazy.

Speaker 4 Who was in the suit?

Speaker 1 You know who? That was me.

Speaker 1 He's got a little foam on

Speaker 1 his chin right there. Jimmy, you want a beer?

Speaker 4 Jimmy, don't.

Speaker 4 Jimmy, you don't drink. I will today.
No, you're not. We'll do one.

Speaker 1 Nice catch, Jimmy.

Speaker 4 Nice.

Speaker 1 Athlete. Don't ever get it twisted.

Speaker 4 Jimmy, you won't drink a beer. I've asked you for 45 years to drink a beer with me.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 You weren't drinking then. Remember vitamins prayers?

Speaker 4 I was. No, I was drinking.
He wasn't. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, got it. Gotcha.
Hey, here's to you, Hulkster.

Speaker 4 Real American.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 I am a real American

Speaker 1 drinking this beer on Santa again.

Speaker 1 There you go. Tastes like a little bit of a bush light.
Oh!

Speaker 1 You don't agree with that?

Speaker 4 Bush light's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yes, this is in the same vein.

Speaker 4 You didn't say Bud Light. You said Bush Light.
Bush. Bush.
Bush, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's in the same vein. Yeah.

Speaker 4 The light beers. You know what we need, brother?

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 4 We need a Hollywood Hogan 8.0

Speaker 4 NWO.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Welcome to the Dark Side Ride Dirty with the Real American Beer, Brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why don't you do it? Get it done with the PBR executive.

Speaker 4 Man, I don't know. I think we're going to get it done with WWEs.
We'll get it done with.

Speaker 1 Yeah, congrats on the deal with the WWE.

Speaker 4 Yeah, man, they're our partners.

Speaker 1 How's it been working with that post-Vince? You know what?

Speaker 4 I love Vince McMahon to death, but it is like two brothers. We would fight like dogs.
Been through a lot together. Man, we would fight over everything.

Speaker 4 This is pretty good. Everything.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 This may or may not be my first real American beer swig. He drinks them all in the office.
Wow.

Speaker 4 Working with Nick Kahn and Triple H is like smooth as butter. Right, Jimmy? It's just like, they tell you what they think.

Speaker 4 They like a lot of the ideas. They contribute to the ideas.

Speaker 4 Nick Kahn was a hulk maniac. Triple H has just been gracious and nice to us.
And I wish I had Stephanie to work with, too. Well, I think she's...
But she's staying home, I think.

Speaker 1 No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It feels like she's getting back on that board.

Speaker 1 Feels like it. Especially after this weekend.
You know, she came here.

Speaker 1 She's doing some more. She's like kind of slowly.

Speaker 6 He's in back.

Speaker 1 Came out first at the road.

Speaker 4 She knows the business inside and out. Yeah, grew up in it.

Speaker 1 I mean, these are like real deal, grew up in it. Just like you, man.
We're lucky to, you know, have experience of Terry Balia

Speaker 1 to the Hulkster kind of entire road and run. And thank you for what you've done for the business.

Speaker 4 And this brother's good in the ring, too. I don't know how much you guys know about it, but watching you in the ring, when you first came on, I'm sitting home going

Speaker 4 over the top, crazy, big mouth, raising hell. I'm going, they're going to love this guy.

Speaker 4 Especially Vince was there when you started, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, Vince is going to love this.
Just right down his, and then I saw you get in the ring. I said, this brother's an athlete.

Speaker 4 I'm going to find out what he did. And then I found out you played football and stuff.
I'm like, holy smokes. Yeah.
Now I know why you got balance and timing because that's what it's all about.

Speaker 4 You know that.

Speaker 1 Balance and timing is a big deal. It's everything.
That's why I'm watching Michael Cole yead. It's like Cole stinks in the ring.
He's got no rhythm.

Speaker 1 You guys got no rhythm, no timing, no nothing.

Speaker 4 But also, balance, timing, and placement. If you're not in the right place, you're going to get hurt real bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you're going to make everybody look terrible. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You got it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, when I saw you in the ring, I'm like, okay, the brothers got it.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, though. I've been in there a few times.

Speaker 4 You know who else has got it?

Speaker 1 Check the box. I'm okay.

Speaker 4 You've done the gimmick yet?

Speaker 1 Red turns to green. Have not.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 I'll wack you the first time.

Speaker 1 Okay, you got it. Hey, actually, bring a chair out.
Now, just old school.

Speaker 4 No, you don't want a hard way from me. That's Jimmy.
You don't want one from me.

Speaker 4 No, if you're a virgin, I'll hit you the first time. Okay, sweet.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that. Always remember that.
There you go. You always remember the first time.
I certainly will. Who else? You think Logan?

Speaker 4 Oh, God, he's so good. He's great.
Oh, he's so good.

Speaker 1 You think he still doesn't know what a shooter at work is?

Speaker 1 I think that was a work on you. Yeah, it was.
He was playing. Yeah, I think so, too.
He's playing.

Speaker 4 He's a dumb fox. Yeah, he worked your ass, though.
He sure did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're like, brother.

Speaker 1 Problem.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're playing. Is this a shoot?

Speaker 1 They were playing.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They were playing. Yeah, he worked you a little bit.
Hey, you better watch yourself, though, because you work yourself into a shoot. There you go.
Brother.

Speaker 1 Is that one of the greatest tweets of all time? I think so. Yeah.
I think it is. Very cool.
Because the business is a shoot. I agree with that.

Speaker 4 Everything's a shoot.

Speaker 4 Are you kidding me? This business is not a work. This is a shoot.
If this was a work,

Speaker 4 so you and I are wrestling,

Speaker 4 and I get paid 2 million bucks and you get 600 grand. Is that a work?

Speaker 1 Who's going to win?

Speaker 4 It doesn't matter. No, but I'm saying.
It's the money in the miles. Who cares who wins? It's entertainment.
It's predetermined. It's a shoot.

Speaker 4 If somebody's making more money than me, that's a shoot to me.

Speaker 4 It's a shoot, right? Absolutely. It's the money in the miles, old school.

Speaker 4 How long you got to be away from your family and quality of life, and how much money are they paying you to destroy your life and be on the road?

Speaker 4 So if I'm wrestling with somebody and they're making more money than me, it's a shoot. And it should be a shoot to them, too.

Speaker 1 Does everybody know how much everybody's making?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Nobody's making much. My days, I already had my day.
I got nothing to prove. I'm good.

Speaker 1 Nobody's making making as much as a Hulkster.

Speaker 4 No, wait, man. I don't know why, man.
Hold on. I had my day, but

Speaker 4 I was born 20 years too soon.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying nowadays paychecks a little bit different all of a sudden? Biggest gate in the history.

Speaker 1 Biggest gate in the history of the WWE just happened. This Royal Rumble.

Speaker 4 I know it was awesome.

Speaker 1 And then it's like the last biggest one was like, whatever the last, I think, Mania. Yeah.
The last one. And then the next one will be...

Speaker 4 Business is on fire, brother. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's a different pay model now, right? No longer the pay-per-view checks and everything like that because of streaming and everything.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's different. Yeah, it is all different.
I don't know anything about it. I wish I did.

Speaker 4 I'd love to get in the middle of that.

Speaker 1 One more match.

Speaker 4 Easy. One more match.
No, it ain't there, bro. One more match.
One more surgery.

Speaker 4 If I fall down in the ring, I think I turn to dust.

Speaker 1 Biggest

Speaker 1 first moment that pops in your head when you think of your entire career right now.

Speaker 1 I didn't understand you. First moment that pops in your head when you think about your entire career right now.

Speaker 4 Andre? Yeah, Slamming the Giant. Has to be.
Has to be, yeah. I didn't know if he was going to let me do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a shoot, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he didn't tell me he was going to win or lose. And he was in a very bad mood.

Speaker 1 Which is unstoppable, right?

Speaker 4 If you're in the dressing room with him and he drinks two bottles of Crown Royal, you're... Geez.
You're good.

Speaker 4 If he drinks two bottles of Crown Royal and some other stuff for the pain, watch out. You don't know what's taking place.
Watch out.

Speaker 1 That was standard operating procedure back then. Obviously, not two bottles.
Andre's a different animal, but people used to just to get through.

Speaker 1 Let's get through the night and let's see the next stop.

Speaker 4 No, the guys who really didn't drink is just me and a couple guys. I always kept a case of beer in the dressing room.

Speaker 1 For the boys?

Speaker 4 Well, for me, too, of course.

Speaker 4 I had to have a couple beers before I went to the ring, you know. I just did.
It just made me loose, you know.

Speaker 4 Turned you into the whole time. Yeah, it made me overanimated.
I needed that. Yeah.
So I didn't have to wrestle very much.

Speaker 1 Never shy?

Speaker 1 Whole life? Always built for public eye.

Speaker 4 You think?

Speaker 4 Even as shy through high school, fat kid wouldn't take his shirt off you know that whole deal and then he started yeah i started off because i wanted a girlfriend man yeah i get it started drinking diet cokes and eating one burger king a day boom

Speaker 4 yeah this guy needs to start he drinks four real american beers on the table there you go no but business is awesome i mean i just love where it's at now i just can't believe how big it is the wwe is just dominating you think cena should have turned heel

Speaker 1 my opinion yeah because what happened with you

Speaker 4 In my opinion, I think John would have been one of the greatest heels ever because he was such a great babyface.

Speaker 4 And, you know, you repent. After you've cut everybody's throat, stolen all the money and cheated and stolen everything.
Then when you repent and beg for

Speaker 4 forgiveness, the wrestling fans will make even a bigger babyface.

Speaker 1 Here's the U-Hulks, sir.

Speaker 4 All right, real American beer in the house.

Speaker 1 It's available where?

Speaker 4 Everywhere.

Speaker 1 Really? Nationwide?

Speaker 4 Well, we're in 20 states. We're working on the rest of them.

Speaker 1 Boom. Good work, brother.
Yep. Good work.
Good work, brother. Hey, be a friend.
Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
We're in this thing together. Never forget it.

Speaker 4 Yes, sir. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Team on me. Team on three.

Speaker 1 One, two, three. Team.

Speaker 1 Cheers. Goodbye.

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