PMS 2.0 1285 - NFC & AFC Championship Recaps, Adam Schefter, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Championship Overreaction Monday, January 27th, 2025, this program starts now.
Football! It is wonderful, and now we have our Super Bowl matchup for down in New Orleans. Representing the AFC will be the Kansas City Chiefs.
Representing the NFC will be the Philadelphia Eagles. Let's start with those games now.
The Philadelphia Eagles absolutely boat raced the Washington Commanders. It was an all-NFC East affair in the NFC Championship, and the story of the game would be the run game is able to win in 2025.
Saquon Barkley on his first touch. 60-yard cut, cut back, spin move.
Saquon Barkley stuff. Then the second time he'd get the ball, guess what? Another touchdown where he'd cut it back to the right side after an entire side was caved in by Lane Johnson and the boys.
And this one became a runaway quickly as the Philadelphia Eagles dominate the Washington Commanders. Now Jaden Daniels, well.
Good job, Tommy. Gary McLaurin, although people say he has a terrible haircut, phenomenal football player.
They are way ahead of schedule. Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, new ownership.
Congratulations to the Commanders becoming one of the final four teams in the NFL, making it to the NFC Championship. We are incredibly happy for all the Washington fans, the Commanders fans,

the football team fans,

and the OG Washington Redskins fans

who are still in abundance.

And I think the future

is very, very bright in D.C.

Now, Philadelphia Eagles team

is going to be tough to stop.

You know, all year,

we've been following along

with the offensive lines

with A.Q. Shipley,

OG in the trenches.

And all year,

he's been talking about

how great and dominant this particular offensive line group was. They were dealing with a little bit of an injury there now.
Jurgensen, who came in, obviously, to fill in for Jason Kelsey after he retires at center, he's supposed to be the starter. Well, he has a back issue, whether it's spasms or tightening up, whatever the case is.
So they put in Dickerson, who's an absolute dog. He ends up having an ankle injury.
He can't even walk. So J Juergens actually ends up playing.
Dickerson ends up playing. Two hurt guys.
It doesn't matter. They rush for seven touchdowns in the NFC Championship.
Seven of them. Damn.
Seven touchdowns. That's the most since the NFL-AFL merger.
I don't know what happened before then if they were just running and didn't know how to throw the ball. Seven touchdowns is a dominating performance on the ground.
Saquon obviously incredibly pumped that he ended up signing with the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, all eyes go back to that hard knocks when Mara was saying, it's going to be hard for me to sleep if Saquon Barkley's all Philadelphia Eagles.
He is by far our most popular player we've ever had. Well, he goes to Philadelphia.
New city, new team, same story. This guy is beloved.

This guy is utilized.

This guy is a weapon.

And this guy has taken it back old school and made the Philadelphia Eagles a rushing first offense, a team that only moves the ball on the ground seemingly.

Now, Jalen Hurts dropped a couple dots in there too.

A lot of people said, well, his knees banged up okay, obviously.

A lot of people say this guy dressed like an asshole coming into the games.

A lot of people say this guy can't throw. This guy's too cool.
How about on fourth down, dropping a dot into A.J. Brown's arms? Now, people say anybody can make that throw.
No, you couldn't. And what people were saying all week leading up to this game was Jalen Hurts can't make that throw.
And he had another touchdown throw to A.J. Brown on an absolute line.
Jalen was spinning it. Kelly Moe was calling it.
The offensive

line was blocking their asses off.

This Philadelphia Eagles team puts up 50

some points for the first time

in a championship game's history.

Congrats to Coach Sirianni,

the Eagles, and their

defense for being awesome.

The exciting whites are all over the place.

Have we got eyes on Bonds?

Is he a... His lineage? Yes, we saw that he played soccer and was a ballerina, I believe.
So... I believe, and Darius can also confirm this, he hasn't added to the exciting whites.
I don't know. I don't know.
The goatee. Yeah.
I don't know, but I do know that he tagged team with the exciting whites here to get a turnover early in the game, which seemingly was the story of the game.

The Eagles would get 28 points off a turnover.

28 points off a turnover.

So the defense was hungry, hungry hippos.

Then the offense would take advantage of it.

Let's go nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here.

Will Shipley was added to the exciting whites.

He had a massive kickoff return, had a forced fumble on a kickoff tackle, obviously had some big runs at the end of that entire thing, ended up scoring a touchdown. But tell me about this Philadelphia Eagles defense.
Obviously, they're in the Super Bowl. They're championship caliber.
They're fun to watch, and they get that rock, don't they, D. Yeah, I mean, Vic Fangio got these guys playing great, but they're number one defense for a while now.
Since, I think, putting Cooper DeGene in that slot position, Quinion Mitchell, their first two picks in the back end, Quinion Mitchell was locked down. He's got two picks now throughout this playoff run.
Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, like on every level of that defense, they fly around. You talked about it, 28 points off of turnovers.
In these games, it comes down to turnovers. It comes down to explosive plays.
So when you can get those turnovers and create points off of them, you're going to win more games than not. Jayden Daniels, he played a good game.
But when you can't hold on to the ball, you won't have a chance. Creating those explosive plays in the run game like they do on offense.
And then Jalen Hurts, I think, answered a lot of questions that were out there for whatever reason. He moves now to 5-0 at home in the playoffs.
So taking care of the football, making throws when he needed to. Dallas Goddard was banging up this week.
He had a big game, found A.J. Brown when he needed him to.
Jalen Hurts, I'm sorry, didn't do a bunch on the ground with his legs. But, you know, once they got in that tush-push area, they were still able to get it done.
Well, the tush-push obviously is certainly a part of the conversation there because Washington was able to get a stop early on the tush push.

And then later in the fourth quarter, there would be a situation where, you know, they were down 11, the commanders, and they were trying to do whatever.

Toe-woo!

So, I'm going up over top to stop this thing.

Well, they go, we're going to do a hard count.

Okay, so they stopped the tush push.

How do you change that?

Well, let's get them on their heels a little bit.

We can't have them guessing the snap count.

So, we do a couple hard counts.

Well, he's going to jump all over top.

Don't care.

Then the ref would come out and say, hey, if he does it again, this could this could be a personal foul we're gonna have to do this entire song and dance again there's offside then hockey lee would come out and say washington has been advised that at some point the referee can award a score if this type of behavior happens again for now it's a replay of second down listen if keep doing this garbage, and we know it's half the distance to the goal, you keep trying to guess the snap count, jump off sides, we can just award a score, which we hope he would give the touchdown to Nick Sirianni. So then Sirianni can get out there and spike it all.
But right before he said that, Pereira I believe said the exact same thing in the rule book pretty deep down there. But it's one of these things where, you know, immediately the reaction from the fans is, oh, so we can't stop something.
We try to stop something. Now the ref's going to force it to happen.
It's like, I understand where you're coming from, but you can't just be hopping up over a line of scrimmage before the ball snapped. He kicked Juergens in the back of the head like two, three different times.
I love the Paul Amala move. I love what LeVar Arrington used to do.
I love whenever players are able to time it up. But I also appreciate the fact that Kelly Moe and Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts said, all right, we got to slow down this defense a little bit.
Let's keep them guessing. Let's do a hard count.
And it worked out perfectly. Everything the Eagles were seemingly doing yesterday was working.
Congrats to the Eagles getting back to the Super Bowl. And also, congrats to the Eagles fans.
I heard there was zero horse shit eight. What? Just good times down on Broad Street.
I guess they couldn't end it. So I guess one thing led to another.
And then I think the city was like, all right, this is over. And then everybody was like, nah, we're still here.
And they're like, we're going to have to get everybody out of here. They're like, nah, we're still here.
Did Big Mill end up performing? He said, you meet me down at the Capitol. Somebody bring some speakers.
Hold up, wait a minute. Y'all thought I was in it.
I don't know if he did that or not, but I do know that football is the greatest. Look at this city coming together.
And obviously, we've seen videos of Philadelphia and people in the streets. It always hasn't been as jovial.
There's obviously been protests and riots and things that have taken place. But whenever an entire city comes together to celebrate something special, I think it's wonderful.
And that's why sports are the greatest thing on earth. And congrats to all these Johns in Philadelphia getting a chance to celebrate this particular team because they play tough football, they play sound football, and they have a coach that has been counted out every single week.
And all he's done is lead the boys to the Super Bowl. Speaking of, I believe, yep, Coach Sirianni is having a press conference right now.
Yep, we join Coach Sirianni in his press conference over in Philadelphia, I believe. Yep, there he is.
How's everybody doing today? First things first, I'd just like to say two Super Bowl appearances in four years. Not bad for a glorified cheerleader, which is what everybody thinks I am.
Big dumb dipshit. Guy can't coach.
Plays with Legos in his office. Watches watches Rocky movies, gives bullshit rah-rah speeches to the boys.
Two Super Bowls, four years. Say something.
Maybe, I don't know, you guys could tell me, media could tell me because they got all the answers for what I should be doing. Maybe if I, I don't know, put my hat on backwards, you know, like this, like Dan Quinn does,

and everyone will talk about me like I'm the second coming of Tom Landry.

You know, I routinely beat that guy's ass.

Have done it for years and years. But, again, because I did the flower pot analogy a couple years ago

and did the, you know, less athlete thinky, more athlete takeover, people just assume I'm an absolute moron. Well, guess what? I'm not.
Okay. I'm the best goddamn coach in the NFL.
There's no two ways about it. I don't love doing that.
We're going to win the Super Bowl this year. We're going to win the Super Bowl this year.
I'm going to be a Super Bowl champion. Probably going to go down as the best head coach in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles.
No disrespect to Coach Reed, but he ran my ass out of Kansas City when I was there and he first got there, so fuck him as well. Now, listen, people can say what they want to say.
Proof's in the pudding. You score seven rushing touchdowns in the NFC Championship.

Am I an offensive genius?

You can put Kelly Moe.

He's unbelievable.

He's going to be the Cowboys' next head coach.

Well, Jerry thought Brian Schottenheimer was a better coach than Kelly Moe.

So is it all Kelly Moe?

Is it me?

Is it Vic Fangio?

Let's just put this sleeping dog to bed, okay?

I know that's a bit of a double entendre. Sleeping dog, maybe already asleep, don't need to put him to bed, but let's put to bed anyway.
I am the best coach in the NFL, certainly the best coach in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm going to reiterate it, two Super Bowl appearances, four years.
This guy doesn't know how to coach. Well, okay, show me a coach who does know how to coach, and I'll show you a guy who can't hold my jockstrap when it comes to not only X's and O's, but also getting the boys ready to go for a physical rough-and-tumble football game in the playoffs at the link.
You don't want to see us. And you don't want to see us in New Orleans either.
That being said, I think we'll open this up for some questions. Coach, Dan Orlovsky, ESPN.
I was just kind of curious. I'm going to cut you off right there, Dano.
You can tongue my beanbag. I'm not answering any questions from you probably ever again.
Good luck getting a coaching job. I'm sure I'm going to have glowing things to say about you if people come and ask me about Dan Orlovsky.
And you know what? Actually, I'm not going to take any questions from the Philly media either because you assholes had a lot to say about me all year long, and now you're the ones tonguing my beanbag because we're going back to a Super Bowl. So I've got a lot to do.
Get Jalen right, get Saquon right, AJ. Me and him might read a couple books together, maybe watch a Rocky movie.
We'll see you guys down in New Orleans. It's going to be a good time, okay? All right, that's that for Coach Sirianni.
I have a lot to say, obviously, a lot to prove. Let's go to the talks at the table.
I have Boston Connor and Ty Schmidt. Ty, love Coach Sirianni kind of getting the last laugh.
Hasn't won a Super Bowl yet, but two Super Bowls in four years as a head coach. He's historic, obviously, Ty.
He was kind of letting be. He was the cock of the walk there.
He's feeling good. He should be strutting his stuff.
Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we,

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we, four years as a head coach is historic, obviously. He was kind of letting be.
He was the cock of the walk there. He's feeling good.
He should be strutting his stuff. Yeah, without a doubt.
I mean, we've talked about it time and time again. What does this guy need to do before he gets just a modicum of respect? Just an out.
I mean, even yesterday, you put out the tweet like, hey, maybe this guy isn't a big dumb dipshit. And you look at all the replies and it's just like, yeah, real hard to be a head coach when you have Saquon or when you have this defense.
No one gives him any credit. No one thinks he does anything.
He's a head coach in the NFL for the best team in the NFC. He's going back to his second Super Bowl in four years.
It's crazy that he still has talked about the way that he is. Coach Sirianni certainly seems like-on-the-shoulder guy, so he knows, like, hey, let's go get it done.
How come Dana was cut off there? I didn't know Dana had time to make it to a press conference. I seen him on TV all morning.
He said, I saw Dana tweet that said, since September I knew that this guy was going to be the guy. I don't know if that's necessarily how Coach Sirianni feels.
No, yeah, I think Coach Sirianni understands that, like, hey, when things are going great, you can say, like, hey, I love this guy, trust this guy, he's the best in the business. But he hasn't forgotten what Dan said.
Yeah, I mean, Dan for the longest time was saying, hey, listen, I don't trust this guy in the playoffs. Sorry, this guy stinks.
He's going to be the reason that the Eagles have a horrendous downfall. And here they are, you know, marching down to New Orleans.
So Coach Sirianni hasn't forgotten. but you're right.
Dan has been very busy. I'm surprised he had time to make it to that press conference.
I have some stats here from Hembo, and congrats, Coach Sirianni. He should be taking a victory lap.
And when I put that tweet out, a lot of people go, what did he do? Yeah. It's like the head coach.
Excuse me? We're talking about the head coach of the football. He didn't do anything.
Cole Moore's calling the plays. Vic Fangio's doing it.
So we're just going to, okay, so we're going to lump all head coaches now into the don't-do-anything department? Who has to set the tone, set the narrative, set the schedule, the itinerary? Who hired these people? Who decided that this is what we're going to do? Who said, you know what, Saquon's going to be the focal point of our offense, even though we've already paid A.J. Brown, Devontae Schmidt.
Who's the one delivering the message each week for us to rally around? Like, what? He didn't do did this guy do that just being allowed to be said by people and it's not fans fault okay fans are going to feel the way they're going to feel and you can have however many thoughts about paizani want because of his antics he doesn't act like anybody else okay he's one of one sirianni by far but it's because everybody on tv calls him a big dumb dipshit all the time that people think they're allowed to say, this guy doesn't do anything. He's just sitting up there with a head.
He's the head coach of an NFL team. He has a lot on his plate day in, day out, including how we're going to focus in and dominate.
Here's some stats about this Eagles team. This season, they've had 725 rush attempts, 517 pass attempts.
When you talk about fully committing to the run game, Kellen Moore, right, I know he wants to romp scoreboards, what Mike McCarthy told about him. Who do you think is telling Kellen Moore, hey, we're sticking with the run, we're sticking with the run, we're sticking with the run? Who do you think that is? Probably Coach Sirianni.
I would assume that that is Coach Sirianni football, including the playoffs. Saquon Barkley has scored seven, seven 60-yard touchdowns from scrimmage this season, most in the history of the NFL.
3,731 yards. No team in NFL history has rushed for more in a season than the 2024 Eagles.
Seven rushing touchdowns, obviously, yesterday is the most all-time in the history of the NFL playoffs. Who do you think is the one deciding what type of football team they're going to have? It's Coach Sirianni.
He should be doing a victory. That didn't look exactly like the Coach Sirianni that we've seen there in that press conference.
That might not have been actually him. Are you sure? No, that was definitely him.
The amount of hate that he gets, he's wild. It is wild.
Absolutely wild. What was the percentage of bets yesterday on commanders versus the Eagles? It ended up being 66%.
66% of the people were pulling for the Washington Commanders. I think that was their heart voting against the Eagles.
The Eagles get the win and the cover. Congrats to Philadelphia and the Johns.
And now let's go to the AFC Championship. The Buffalo Bills taking on the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday.
Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes. Another absolute thriller.
It started with the National Anthem. Retired Petty Officer General general wilson crushed it hey that was maybe the best national anthem that i've heard congratulations general that was amazing he went for it too a couple different times so good no flub no crack no nothing congrats to him great start to an amc championship i put out a tweet to say old, absolutely slaughtered this national anthem.
And the amount of, yeah, agreed, was cool. People were saying they were getting emotional.
Listen to it. Understandable.
Like, hey, I'm not that big of an emotional person. It's not like I served in the military or anything like that.
But when you hear this and see this and you step up and crush it, sets the tone for a perfect game, which he definitely did. And also, I think it was a lot of like, hell yeah, America, out of this guy.
So thank you to retired Petty Officer General Wilson for doing that. Thank you to that man and Andy Reid for getting their teams ready because what a game it was.
Now listen, the conversation this morning is strictly around the Chiefs and the refs. That's all it's going to be.
Josh Allen got the first down. Josh Allen got the first down.
I would like to say that immediately upon seeing it, I thought Josh Allen got the first down. But then whenever the ref here on the near side, and I think it's very interesting because you see the far ref line judge and then the near ref line judge, they come in at two different angles.
They're seeing two different things. Now, people are saying the far judge is the one that's going to see the ball.
I don't think he can see anything because there's two people standing right in front of his face. Normally very difficult for these judges that are on the sideline to see anything, especially whenever it's a massive scrum.
I personally believe Josh Allen got the first down. I also believe Dalton Kincaid, on the play before, got the first down.
But whenever they call it on the field, the field not first down then they go to review and it's that much of a cluster I think it was going to be tough to overturn but boy people did not care about that this was the refs in the fourth quarter whenever the Kansas City Chiefs were down making a decision for the Kansas City Chiefs now could that easily have been called a first down with it? Yes. Now, after a review, are they going to overturn anything at this? Probably not is how it normally goes.
The fact it worked out for the Chiefs, yet again, people say, how many coincidences do we got to see before we start thinking this is a conspiracy? I even got people that are pretty high up in the world. Okay.
High up in the world saying this is bullshit. This is absolute bullshit.
I don't want to hear a single thing tomorrow on your show about that not being a first down. You better say the truth.
You better stick up for what's real and what is a problem. The refs are working alongside Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, and Taylor Swift to get the Chiefs into the Super Bowl.
I think that whatever was called on the field is going to get called in the review no matter what. Can you argue Dalton got it? Yes.
Can you argue that Josh got it? Yes. But to say they even went to a review and then they overturned it, normally this type of thing is going to remain call on the field.
That ref up there, though, pretty pigeon-toed. Yeah, that's weird.
Yeah, it's weird. I don't know if I've ever seen, and maybe I assume he's been doing this all year and we just haven't noticed he had some sweet high top jays on too with the white backs there i appreciate that but his right foot you know he's got one of these he's got he's got one of these i mean he's he's coming in that some bit side parallel like that you know and normally you're spotting the ball with your foot i don't i think we talk about that.
I think we should talk about that maybe for

future. Maybe put him in a different spot.

Because when you're coming

I don't know

That's going to be tough

for me. And then the catch obviously

Xavier Worthy, whenever he goes up

and snags that thing out of Bishop's hand

and it hits the ground

and they call it a catch. Ty goes to the runner

always has.

In football, Ty goes to the receiver

as opposed to the defender. I think he had

Thank you. and it hits the ground and they call it a catch tie goes to the runner always has in football tie goes to the receiver as opposed to defender i think he had full possession of it and when it hit the ground you could obviously call it incomplete and it could obviously it's a massive play in the game and it's the chiefs yet again but it doesn't move when it hits the ground seems to be pretty sturdy it's like it's amazing all these things happen and the Chiefs end up on the benefiting side of it yeah now granted the Chiefs don't care Chiefs just won another AFC championship in five times I believe now Patrick Mahomes is going to the Super Bowl in his seven years as a starting quarterback in the NFL he is bananas I hate the fact that the refs are always the conversation.
Travis Kelsey lead blocking for him here in the fourth to take the lead

obviously Sinema. You know like Travis

Kelsey all-time leading receiver

the worst spike in the history of football

potentially there by Patrick Mahomes let alone

AFC Championship games and everything

like that. But like the conversation just

being about the refs full-time I think

is obviously something that's going to continue to happen

for as long as they continue to win

especially with the calls that are taking place.

But what we're witnessing here out of Patrick Mahomes

Thank you. just being about the refs full-time, I think is obviously something that's going to continue to happen for as long as they continue to win, especially with the calls that are taking place.
But what we're witnessing here out of Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, and this Kansas City Chiefs team is awesome. It's a spectacle.
Their special teams even showed up this week. Coach Tobe, the special teams coordinator, Hall of Famer.
Coach Spaggs, defense coordinator, Hall of Famer. Andy Reid, anytime he's coaching or calling plays, he's a Hall of Famer.er he's going to be great so i think there's a lack of respect for the greatness because everybody just wants to pin it on something but if you've been great for this long and you get some calls that go your way people are going to hate it we saw with the patriots we're seeing it with the chiefs but all this team does is win which is why i say the chiefs is still the chiefs now if you want to believe that the chiefs iss because the refs, go ahead and believe it.
Then you should bet on them in the Super Bowl. For sure.
If you think that's going to be the case. Let's utilize it.
If you think it's a conspiracy for them to win, go ahead and utilize it for your own personal gain if you can. But I think what Patrick Mahomes is able to do, what this Chiefs team is able to do, is win games.
Josh Allen, phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal.
Tough. Tough.

Tough to lose yet again.

Hair, sweet.

Great flow right now.

He's got great hang time coming out of the back.

I respect it.

But he puts on another great performance.

I think he has like nine touchdowns, no turnovers, four sacks taken in all the games,

in the playoff games against, you know, the Kansas City Chiefs.

Like, he plays through the roof.

Continues to lose to them.

If you're playing the Chiefs, what is your thoughts, D-Butch?

Thank you. against, you know, the Kansas City Chiefs.
Like, he plays through the roof, continues to lose to him. If you're playing the Chiefs, what is your thoughts, D-Butch? If you're playing against that defense, what is your thoughts? Because the game, the play that kind of ended it is the Josh Allen roll right, Hail Mary, somehow Dalton Kincaid's right there.
Got to catch it. He knows that.
Dalton Kincaid knows that great play. But I think, you know, I got a text from Coach Pagano right before this.
It said, Spaggs just brought all out basically on third down. Will he do it again on fourth down? Then as soon as the game comes back on, Tony Romo's like, Jam, yo, Spaggs brought it.
Will he do it again? Everybody seemingly thought they were going to bring pressure on this fourth down, try to get Josh Allen flustered. He still finds an open guy.
Josh Allen is so good, so damn great. He just so happens to be in the Patrick Mahomes era.
Is that the way to view this thing? And at what moment does he get over the hump? Yeah, it's hard to put. You can't put this on Josh Allen, obviously.
And it's not just Mahomes. It's not just Mahomes.
It's not just Andy. It's not just Spags.
It's all of them. It's the collective, and they just seem to always make that one extra play, whatever it is.
And the Bills had an opportunity to get it back in answer to what the Chiefs did, but even that last play with Spaggs bringing that pressure, bringing McDuffie off the edge, it seems like any time it's all on the line, you know Spaggs is going to bring pressure and dial it up. So a lot of people are bringing up the next-gen stats with the bubbles and say, oh, just swing it out to Shakur.
But, you know,

that pressure in Josh Allen's face, it was great that he even got this ball, took

Kincaid down the field. But this is just

the brilliance of Spags bringing that

overload pressure to his right side

at offense. And if you throw it to Shakur, I think

they rally and make that tackle shorter

to sticks. But that's just them making one

extra play. And even with Patrick Mahomes, not

necessarily having the most explosive plays

in the pass game, but using his legs.

The first time when he's

Thank you. sticks, but that's just them making one extra play.
And even with Patrick Mahomes, not necessarily having the most explosive plays in the pass game, but using his legs. The first time when these two teams faced off in the regular season, I don't think Mahomes had any rushing yards, and he has over 40 rushing yards, and this one, two rushing touchdowns.
So Andy Reid kind of dialing it up, getting guys involved that you wouldn't expect. Perrine on their last play to convert the third down.
Juju Smith-Schuster making big plays. So, yeah, Mahomes, Spags, Chris Jones, all these guys just seem to make a play, just one more play every time regardless of who's on the other side of that ball.
And now we're just a couple weeks away from potential history, and people are pissed off about it. People are not happy that it's Chiefs-Eagles.
Now, I've seen a lot of people say, I'm not watching. You're not going to watch the Super Bowl? Come on.
Okay. You're punishing yourself.
Yeah. Well, they got one football game left.
It's the best one. And it's between a Philadelphia Eagles team.
It's been counted out all season long, even though they've been winning. And then the Kansas City Chiefs team said it's the worst team that they've ever had.
And they're making it to the Super Bowl. Had home field advantage throughout the Super Bowl.
super bowl this team these teams are special i cannot wait to watch them battle yeah it's gonna be incredible and the mahomes thing there was some stat about him where you know in the playoffs during you know crunch time whatever that is deemed where you're either down a score or you're tied mahomes is perfect he's like nine for nine on drives points, either going to tie the game or to go up and score.

He did it twice when it was 22-21.

Obviously, they went up and got the two-point conversion and made it 29-22.

And then, of course, again, when it was tied, they drove down the field and kicked a field goal.

So when you need him the most is when he plays the best.

And kind of to the tush-push conversation, like, hey, the reason it's not banned

is because the Bills couldn't do it. That is the whole reason it's so special for Philly, because it's automatic.
The Bills, that wasn't the only time where it didn't work for Buffalo yesterday. They said it goes over to left guard or whatever instead of over center.
They said the Chiefs knew that. They were planning for that, and they obviously worked it and everything like that.
I mean, it's hard not to say it got the first down right there, especially from angle when it's off center especially whenever there's an over top angle too that does it but any i don't i don't i might i might be wrong i don't know if they've ever overturned a call in a scrum like this where there's been not what it's less than a half a yard has been moved but also if you're like to connor's point like the chiefs all night long were it was basically running to a brick wall when the bills were trying to do the tushush push. And the main difference in the game was short yardage.
The Bills had no imagination. They were just running Josh into a brick wall all night long.
And then Mahomes, every single third and short, fourth and short, run pass option, on the edge, easy, all night long. How come Joe Brady stopped with Josh Allen and shotgun all by himself? Good question.
Just power. That was literally, they've done that.
Yeah, pull D on. Just have, pull D on, even have the extra offensive lineman, number 70, who report, dude.
Yeah. What is this guy? He got like three penalties yesterday, either for not reporting or not being off the line.
It's like, that's got to get figured out, too. That hasn't been chatted about enough.
This AFC championship game, we got logistical shit happening like that. That can't be happening up there.
But Josh Allen in shotgun all by himself has been their go-to. He just runs to the right basically every single time.
They did it once and got it last night. It doesn't make any sense why they don't do that every single time.
But I think we all wonder why maybe they overthink in the biggest moments. Joining us now might have more answers on all of it.

Also, a guy who is currently spotlighting a bunch of malarkey.

What's that about?

Ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Michigan man,

friend of the program, Adam Schefter.

Yay, sweetie.

Schefter, I know.

Happy Monday, man.

Hey, happy Monday to you.

Happy overreaction Monday on this championship Monday

after we have now found our champions for the AFC and the NFC. And, you know, another, you know what? Shefty, great season this year out of you.
Now, I didn't know you were a conspiracy theorist, though. I didn't know that you like to amplify everything that's happening on the Internet.
I didn't know that you like to spread misinformation or propaganda about the NFL and the refs wanting the Chiefs to win. I saw your mentions after you put this out.
You obviously were getting cooked, but this is a real convo that's happening around NFL fan bases. They think that the NFL wants the Chiefs to win.
Now, we have certainly talked about this. What are your thoughts on it all? And how do you see this playing out for future conversations with the NFL? You know, Pat, I would just say this again.
The facts are the facts. I presented facts.
There was zero. Let me be very clear about that.
Zero intent behind that. I'm a little surprised that people are so offended with factual information.
There was zero agenda. Zero agenda.
It was a number, some stats in conjunction with a story that the NFL is considering expanding replay assists to include plays that include quarterback slides. That's it.
Those are the numbers. That's it.
No agenda. Listen, honestly, what the Chiefs are doing is incredible.
Who doesn't like watching somebody do something that has never been done in the NFL ever? A three-time champion. A lot of people, Shefty.
A lot of people are hating this. Okay, again, I'm not in that camp.
I'm just telling you when that information comes out, the news is that the NFL is going to be expanding replay assist. They're probably going to include the quarterback slide.
And here are some numbers. Sorry that offended people.

There was zero, zero intent.

Just let me be very clear about that.

Okay, I appreciate that.

And also you're trying to give credit to Hembo,

who dug up all these stats and everything.

We love Hembo.

He sends us a lot of stats.

He is the weapon behind a lot of ESPN's folks' talking points.

Whether he gets credit for it or not, he does not care. But I appreciate you giving him some love love in this entire thing and the conversation isn't like well andy reed has a more disciplined team than other teams the conversation is the refs are just assisting the chiefs and that's not you starting that conversation that is a conversation that is taking place let's move away from that let's move along injuries on the eagles offensive line obviously a massive convo we think two weeks going to be enough for Lando and for Cam to get completely healthy or what are we expecting there well look Cam Juergens came in and gutted it out and was able to play through a back injury that they didn't think he was going to be able to play with they kept him there as an emergency center he was used in an emergency when Landon Dickerson could barely walk out there.
They need one of them. One out there for the Super Bowl.
I would think that both of them will have a chance, a real chance to be out there with the extra week of work. If they had to play the Super Bowl in a short week, that might be a big problem.
But I'm sure the extra week will do well for both guys and their chances of being back out there on Super Bowl Sunday. But that was a gutty, gritty effort by that Eagles line.
It's been the strength of the team all year long. They make things happen.
They continue to make things happen. And you just was, you know, you're wondering, yes, you're like, are they going to run out of bodies there? Because it was incredible to see Juergens initially, we thought he wasn't going to play.
Then he's active. You're like, he's active.
Whoa. But then he doesn't start.
Dickerson's starting. They put Tyler Steen in a guard, which is what I think they were planning all along to do.
And then Dickerson can't make it through. And Juergens comes back.
It was pretty impressive to see what these guys fought through to play and win that game and play the way they did. Yeah, I think Cam Juergens came out and said, like, Sirianni basically, you know, motivated.
There's nothing. I would have, yeah.
He came out and gave a full quote at his locker, basically chit-chatting about the mindset of the team, how tight the team is, how close they are, how much of a family they are. So if you can play, you're going to play for your team.
And Sirianni doesn't do anything, is what everybody says. But then Cam Juergens is like, well, the fact that we have such a family here led by Sirianni is the only reason why I go out there and do that.
What a beautiful team. Two Super Bowl appearances in four years as a head coach for Coach Sirianni, and he has taken flack through it all.
What are the reports out of Philadelphia about Sirianni? Is he getting a lifetime contract now, Coach? So we've got from basically firing him to giving him a lifetime contract. You know, I just think it's so funny.
Who's we? That's maybe you and Dan Orlovsky. Not us.
Not this program. Not me.
Not this program. Not me.
ESPN, though. Hey, I don't know if you saw this.
ESPN as a whole is obviously All season long. We get playing Sirianni.
He was the lower third. Now, once again, we are very appreciative of first take and get up.
We watch every single morning. We love them.
We love everybody a part of all of it. But some of their bottom lines, whenever Sirianni was leading his team, the home field advantage and everything like that, and winning and winning, it's like, is Sirianni the dumbest person to ever be a head coach is sirianni trustworthy is sirianni the worst person ever in the nfl is sirianni the worst italian to ever be an italian like those were the things that are being said about him all season long now he has his second super bowl appearance what is the thought of coach sirianni over there in philadelphia and how he and jeff obviously have to love this man for everything he's done.
Well, of course. And again, you're taking a lifetime contract.
But I think obviously when you see head coach salaries exploding the way they are across the league, I think it only stands to reason that Nick Sirianni is going to want to get an extension. He's going to want to get a raise.
I don't know that. But I mean but it's logical to assume that.
They're back in the Super Bowl again.

If they win it, that is the goal of everybody.

So that's leverage for him.

And I have to see how many years he has left in this country.

But it's amazing to me that all year long, to your point,

there are people that have criticized and questioned Nick.

There are people that have criticized and questioned Jalen Hurts

and the Eagles passing game. There are people that question this team just not stepping up and in the end, here they are back in the Super Bowl with a chance now to go up against the Kansas City Chiefs for the second time in three years in the Super Bowl.
See how it works out? Again, these things, they usually sort themselves out one way or another by the time the end of the year rolls around, right?

There are people that start hot and fade out.

There are people that fade out or start slow and then gain steam.

And usually things work out the way they should.

And the Eagles had a slow start where people were questioning them, criticizing them.

Nick, Jalen, the team, whoever.

And here they are rolling along.

Jalen Hurts has won, I think it's the last 13 games he started and finished. The last 13.
So his track record has been pretty good there, despite the fact that people are wondering why is the Eagles passing game not operating at a higher level? Looked like he hit on some pretty good throws there to me yesterday. And they find a way to win, just like the Chiefs find a way to win and that's what makes this Super Bowl compelling because neither one of these teams usually beats itself.
A lot of people are saying this is the least liked Super Bowl in history obviously nobody enjoys. History, wow.
Yeah well that's the world we live in that's the world we live in you know and I assume there's been Super Bowls in the past where teams have been hated but you weren't able to tweet about it it, which is a good thing, not a bad thing in my eyes. But the world will watch these two do battle.
Was anybody happier about the outcome of that Eagles-Commanders game than Dan Snyder yesterday? Obviously, the story came out that he hates what's happening with Washington. And he actually, at the very beginning of Josh Harris's ownership here, was thinking about backing out on the deal.

And I think the metaphor or maybe the reality was not turning over the keys

to the building or to the stadium.

Is that real?

And how do we get to this point?

Yeah.

Seth Wickersham and Don Van Natter wrote about it this past weekend.

And there were people that felt like he was trying to not go through on the deal

before it wound up going through. They recommended that he would go through on the deal, which he did.
And look, it's just a different day and age. There's a totally different mood surrounding that team.
There's a totally different outlook surrounding the team. Even after they lost, you heard about the fact that here were the owners down in the locker room going play by player player to player thanking them for the type of season that they provided wishing them the luck for the future and and looking forward to continuing the relationship and and again i'm not going to say that dan snyder never did that they weren't in that nfc championship game under him but it just feels like, from the people there, that this ownership group cares about the players and the team.
And there's a different mindset there now. And I think that that was reflected in the way that this team performed this year, getting to the NFC Championship game, coming up short, but giving this team hope.
They have a quarterback that you could argue is as good as any in the NFC and a top five quarterback in the NFL right now. You could make that argument.
And he's got a huge future, and that team should be positioned to succeed and have more conference championship games in the future. And I would think that they'll learn from what they went through yesterday and be better for it in future years.
Agreed. And I'm happy that Dan Snyder's just got to sit on his yard over there and just somebody needs to hurt this guy.
Jaden Daniels, I hate this guy. He's so good.
Yeah, he is. So much fun to watch.
All right, let's go over to the AFC game, shall we? Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Shefty, I wouldn't expect anything to happen, but obviously after the game, a lot of Bills fans calling for Sean McDermott's head.
And whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, he obviously just can't beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. Is there any chance the Bills consider making a move there? Does he go into next season potentially on the hot seat in order for them to eventually try to get over the hump and be able to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and not waste Josh Allen's prime? Didn't he sign an extension? And again, it's just so funny to me how this goes in the world that we live in.
Because up until yesterday, everybody was talking about what a great job Sean McDermott did. He had put this team where it is.
Everybody talked about how he's grown and learned, and he's giving great pregame speeches. And, you know, so they lose.
And now people are asking that question. And that's what happens when you lose in the NFL.
I don't see it happening. I never rule out anything because you never know in this league.
And people do wild and crazy things. And as we say all the time, it's the greatest reality show going.
But I think up until yesterday, they've been really happy with Sean McDermott. And I haven't seen any evidence that they would move off that.
But I guess anything's always possible. Why is James Cook not in the game? A lot.
A lot of questions. A lot of questions about a lot of different situations.
But obviously, he'll have to answer those on his own time. Let's talk about one particular play that could have changed a potential outcome and maybe changes the future of the NFL.
Go ahead, Conman. Yeah, Shefter, you reported, and I think you've talked about it on the show before, but how NFL replay assist is going to kind of be developed more and used more next season.
Is there any way they're going to use that for these first downs? Because obviously we've talked about the microchip in the ball, but they don't use the microchip to rule first downs. NFL replay assist kind of help with that because obviously this is impossible to overturn and it's tough to tell.
But even the play before with Dalton Kincaid, where it looked as though he landed directly on the line, and that was ruled not a first down. So is that going to be part of the development with the replay assist? I forgot that that was the play before.
Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, people are pissed, Shafty.
People are pissed. Yeah, yeah, Chiefs better be from it, obviouslys people get very people get very touchy about officiating topics i see i i yeah very touchy um yeah very yeah i i think that didn't the league experiment this past summer not to go back and look and find out more but didn't the leagues with the electronic marking,

whether that's the chip or the...

Hawkeye technology.

It just took too long.

Remember, it took like 30 minutes, seemingly.

I think it was like four minutes to decide whether or not something was in or out,

and they were supposed to do it this season.

Then it took too long.

They're like, we're getting rid of this.

And then they brought the chains back.

Didn't work in bad weather either.

Yeah, because the technology...

Play the Dawson Knox play again. I want to see that again.
Oh, Shefty wants to give a read on it. I just want to see it.
Because I forgot that that was the play before. That's interesting.
Yeah. Yeah, Shefty, we're all saying that.
Yeah. We all think...
I'm like the biggest Chiefs is still the Chiefs guy, but watching these two plays consecutively, it's like... That is really tough.
But the chip in the ball was supposed to be the answer then they tried at the beginning of the year and it was horrendous and yeah to your point bad weather wasn't going to be able to operate efficiently and then even when it was super slow which is the last thing the nfl wants but you got two officials from opposite ends trying to make a ruling they obviously see it differently because one of them marked it as first down one of them didn't and again we're living in 2025 there is so much technology to do so many different things and we can't figure out exactly where the football should be spotted I mean it's just it's wild that that's the day and age that we're living in considering all the technology and so that's what I thought this summer was summer was about, is the chip in the bowl or the electronic spotting system. However, they did it.
And I got to hear more about whatever came of that because you don't want to have plays decided like that where there's a question at all. I forget what game yesterday, maybe the AFC game.
It was ruled a first down. Then after further conversation, they brought it back to like a third down, I think, in short.
So they're utilizing the further conversation, replay assist in certainly important times, catches, penalties. I think refs, quarterbacks, you reported whether or not they get hit in the head is going to be used in the future.
The spotting of the ball there, we thought the chip was going to be the answer. And then it turns out the chip was like the slowest thing of all time.
Stinks. Yeah, they were like, the chip stinks, so we can't do it.
Has to be something. Has to be something.
By the way, when we watch golf, they got golf balls like where they're going in the air, the speed they're going at, like all kinds of things. We can't figure out where a football is on a field.
Like compared to that golf ball, as you're seeing the flight of it, take hold on the PGA. I'm at the device, the technology that they have surrounding all that.
To me, there has to be something that can be done. This is more efficient than a chain gang.
I mean, the league was using the chain gang in what, 1920?? That was still in the chain gang. Maybe even earlier than that.
A hundred years later? As the great Mark Caboli said, we can catch a rocket coming back from space, but we can't figure out where the hell the ball is on a four-town quarterback. That is very real.
I mean, as everything changes, the more it stays the same, it feels like. All right, let's get away from the championship games.
Let's talk about some big stories. Cowboys fans are pumped about Shawty being the new head coach.
D-Bott has a question for you. Obviously, their fan base got a lot to say about the Brian Schottenheuer hire and head coach, but the coordinators.
I assume Shawty's going to be calling players on offense, but are they closing in on their defensive coordinator out in Dallas? I think everybody has expected all along that it'll be Matt Eberflus. There's a process that they have to go through.
I'm sure in the end that he will wind up being the guy. You know, the funny thing, on Friday night, Jerry calls and he starts going into this whole big long explanation.
Brian Schottenhauer, he ain't nothing more than an assistant coach. He's never been more than an assistant coach.
Everyone's talking about him and saying, hey, why are they talking about him as my head coach? He's an assistant coach. And I'm thinking to myself, wow.
Like, he's kind of taking on Brian Schottenhauer. And then he just stops cold, pivots, and goes, well, he ain't Brian the assistant anymore.
He's now the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And he was very excited about Brian Schottenheimer being the head coach.
I know Cowboys fans, not all of them, are all thrilled about the decision, but Jerry believes that he's got this one right, and he believes that Brian Schottenheimer is going to be a great head coach, and he was all excited and pumped up about it. Yeah, Schottenheimer obviously has grown up in the NFL.
His dad, historic head coach, he had had opportunities 15 years ago to be a head coach. Passed on him to remain an offense coordinator.
He was in Indianapolis. He was time in Seattle, obviously down there in Dallas.
He's been around. He's seen a lot of football.
He's been around a lot of football. I like Shadi personally from the year that I got to spend around him in Indianapolis.
I think who knows if he's going to be a great head coach. That's why everybody just assuming he's going to be us is awesome.
Let me tell you something. Because who knows if any of these guys are going to be a great head coach.
Can I just tell you something? Picking a head coach is not altogether dissimilar from drafting somebody in the first round. You do your research.
You make your calls. You talk to the people.
You make, at that time, the best decision you feel you can make. And then you keep your fingers crossed that it's going to work.
Because look at the track record of all the coaches who have been hired over the last 10, 20, 30 years forever. Every team always thinks it's hiring the next Vince Lombardi, and it doesn't work out like that.
That's why there are seven or eight firings every year. Why the whole league turns over every four years.
What was the number?

$800 million paid to fired head coaches or something?

Dead money.

Yeah, dead money to fired head coaches and coaching staffs from around the NFL.

It's really hard to find a good head coach.

Dallas Cowboys fans say, well, Jerry didn't do.

He didn't find a good head coach.

And shoddy, who knows how he'll be.

Now, Jerry Jones, Andrew Siciliano, shout out to Siciliano, reports that Jerry Jones says, this is as big of a risk as you can take. No head coaching experience.
It's almost like Jerry's selling it to you. He's like, you're not supposed to hire this guy.
Not supposed to hire this guy. It's almost like he's like, I found a guy.
He prides himself on that. I think he feels like he has taken risks and done certain things and made decisions that others wouldn't make, and he's built his career off that.
And I think that that's probably, to a certain extent, what he's doing now. He feels like he's identified somebody that he feels like other people feel like he's taking a risk, and he doesn't see it in quite the same way that other people do.
people do he said you know whenever you're about 255 yards away from the green on a power five and there's water in front and the sand trap he said a lot of people think they need to lay up get on there maybe putt for birdie i'm driving the green every fucking time and every once in a while i'm gonna end up in that water yeah and that's gonna happen but at least i can go to sleep knowing that I want for an eagle, not for a birdie. I want for a big bird, not a little bird.
I want for it every time. That's how Jerry describes his decisions and his business-making decisions.
And all his fans say is, well, get the eagle finally then, because you landed in the water every single time. Maybe shoddy's the one that's able to get the Cowboys back to relevance, prominence, and championship status.
But the fans say he's got no shot. There's only one job open now.
Tone has a question for you. That is true, Shefty.
31 of 32 teams have their head coach. The only team left is the New Orleans Saints.
I believe Mike Kafka's got an interview lined up. Mike McCarthy's been talked about going there.
Kellen Moore, potentially. Cliff Kingsbury.
What's the latest on our last coaching search down in New Orleans? They're going to talk to Kellen Moore this week. They're going to talk to Mike McCarthy this week.
Anthony Weaver, the Dolphins' defensive coordinator, had what I was told was a pretty impressive interview this past weekend, as did Mike Kafka, the Giants' offensive coordinator. I still look at it logically.
Nobody said to me, assessing it the way I have. I think Mike McCarthy probably is the guy to beat for that job, and we'll see how it shakes out because there are other qualified candidates, but I think most people have thought that New Orleans all along would be Aaron Glenn or Mike McCarthy.
Those are the two names that I heard most often all along. Aaron Glenn's in New York, Mike McCarthy mccarthy's still out there and now we'll wait to see where it goes okay the jets hired their gm over the weekend as well maybe on friday from the denver broncos named moogie darren moogie moogie moogie that's a good name like bougie yeah got bougie moogie going to like bougie yeah darren moogie hey do do you know anything about Aaron Glenn, Aaron Rodgers, and the future of that entire place over there, or no? They're going to be speaking at some point now, and I think Aaron has to decide first and foremost whether he wants to play, and then he and Aaron Glenn will discuss it, and they can figure out what is best for both sides.
Yeah, well, he's open to anything attached to nothing. That's right.
He said he would go back to the Jets if he wanted to play, and they wanted him back. He doesn't know Aaron Glenn, I don't think, from our source.
Says. Doesn't know much about him, but obviously he has massive respect for him.
How could you not? Former player that has become an absolute dog. Speaking of that, congrats to Kelvin Shepard, our former teammate.
New DC of the Detroit Lions. I love that man.
I really enjoyed being a teammate with him. I enjoyed his presence in the locker room.
I enjoyed his attention to detail. I enjoyed his accountability.
I like the way he coaches too. We saw him on hard knocks, obviously, with the Detroit Lions.
I think he's going to do a great job. Shout out to Motor City Dan Campbell, giving him an opportunity to be DC.
And if McCarthy's down there in New Orleans, he's going to be red. Oh, man.
He and I have similar pigment, you know, and it gets hot down there. Toasty.
Snow down there, though, last week. Yeah, true.
Yeah. Maybe it's a little different, I guess.
When are you guys going down there next week? When are you going down? I think we're heading down on Wednesday. I think, brother, we'll be down there on Wednesday.
How about you? I'm taking my daughter on Sunday because she's got to do media night for Nickelodeon. So I'll be down there Sunday.
Oh, nice. So media nights on Sunday? Media nights on Monday night.
Should we go down Sunday night? Never. No.
You would like that. You would like that.
It's kind of fun. It's like every player, every coach.
Oh, yeah. It's real zany right in there.
All these zany. He gets slime.
Yeah. Bunch of goofballs.
It is. It's goofball town, Dyer.
But it is a nice kickoff to the biggest week of the year for the NFL. Congrats to the Eagles.
Congrats to the Chiefs. Any other storylines or things that we didn't talk about that we should mention? Well, now you've got the Saints still out there.
You've got the Jaguars looking for a GM.

So those are the two big hires.

Then you've got a lot of teams looking for coordinators

at this point in time.

That's the next little hiring cycle

that I guess we're going to go through here.

But most of those jobs have been filled.

Offensive coordinator of Detroit,

I would expect that to be Johnny Morton,

the Broncos' passing game coordinator.

See how that works out.

Johnny Morton.

Let's go, Johnny.

Johnny!

What about Bobby Slowick?

Where's he going to end up?

Vegas?

I don't know.

I mean, just like on Friday, I don't have a landing spot for him.

In Vegas, I know one of the names under consideration there is Darryl Bevel, who used to work with Pete in Seattle. He's in play there.
He'll be in play in New Orleans as well. There are a few guys out there.
Bobby Slowick, I'm sure. Definitely all these teams with openings are making calls and trying to figure out, okay, well.
What a weird timing to fire Slowick. Yeah, wild.
Kind of put him in a bad spot. What happened? How'd that? A year ago, he was one of the hot head coaching candidates, and a year later, he's fired, which is exactly why Ben Johnson wasn't going back to Detroit this year because you don't know as an assistant coach when your time is going to come along to be hired or when it's going to go the other way.
You've got to cash in while you can. With Bobby Slote, the offense, I think they felt like it regressed.
It wasn't getting better. The offensive line didn't protect well.
Opponents were figuring them out. It's just a weird deal because he's a good coach and he's going to do well in the future.
I think one day he'll be a head coach, but Houston felt like it was best to move on right now. The timing of the fire, though, kind of put them behind the eight ball on a lot of those jobs.
Well, they had a storm there. It would have happened earlier in the week, I think, but there was a little storm there.
People were out of the building, and then they were back in the building end of the week is when it happened. So that wasn't like a vindictive, visceral fire? No.
No, okay, got it. Go ahead.
What were you going to say? Yeah, what about Declan Doyle, Shefty? He's 28 years old as the OC of the Bears.

Is that the youngest coordinator or one of the youngest coordinators ever?

Is he the next kind of prince who is promised?

Yeah, he's only 28 years old.

Well, you know, it's funny.

I was on the phone this morning with Denver, right?

Denver turned it around this year and did an unbelievable job with all this day cap money.

And now we've got everybody raiding the Broncos staff here,

like Darren Mugey's a GM. Johnny Morton, we think he's going to wind up being the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions.
Declan Doyle, now the offensive coordinator. That's definitely not how you pronounce that.
Declan. It's not going to be Dickland Doyle.
How do you say it? Declan Doyle. Declan.
Yeah, I would assume it's Declan, not Dickland. I didn't say that.
You did. No, I'm repeating what my journalist friend said there.
Fun fact, he's a nephew of Mike Ditka. Really? Yeah.
Oh, it's in his blood. That is a fun fact.
Chris Doyle, former Iowa strength coach. It's his son.
Oh. Yeah.
Oh, that guy. Yeah, we know that guy.
Yeah, attention to detail now. Accountability.
That's right. He has some opinions on something.
Yes, he does. Yeah, all right.
Hey, Shefty, we appreciate the hell out of you, brother. Thank you, guys.
I appreciate you. I look forward to seeing you in New Orleans.
I'm sure I'll be hearing from you this week at some point in time, right? I hope so. I hope so.
Yeah, because we're at the time where we don't have shit to talk about. So, we'll give you a call and say, Hey, Shefty, what fake stuff are you drumming up? And then you'll come right on in.
We appreciate you. Good luck in those Twitter streets as you are being attacked viciously from this entire thing.
Pat, we just try to stick to the facts. That's it.
Zero intention, zero agenda. That's it.
Yeah, but what facts do you present? What facts do you withhold? That always, you know, that's the decision. That's journalism, baby.
That's journalism. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you, guys. Adam Schefter.
Yay! I always do appreciate that. We're just presenting facts.
That's it. Yeah, which ones, though? A lot of facts.
Which ones are you withholding? Because it seems like you're potentially building a narrative with the facts of your truth. What about the ones that maybe combat? Are get suppressed.
We're telling the truth. Which truth, though? What's the angle? Yeah, what's the angle? Hashtag journalism.
Hashtag journalistic standards. And then we get questioned about it.
It's like, are you talking? Who are you? Talking to you? Who are you talking to? Talking to me? These shoes? You're talking to me. You think you can do these shoes? On media night.
Shefter was getting murdered. Jerry Jones, speaking at a press conference about Brian Shefter, just got sent into the group.
If we could pull that up. Here's him talking about Brian Schottenheimer getting hired, and this is one of you saying biggest risk you can take, no head coaching experience.
It's almost like jerry jones has like leaned in to all the cowboys fans saying you idiot this is the worst hour it is isn't it here's jerry now i get my proverbial ass kick over needing people in my comfort zone without this thing being about me in any way if you don't think I can't operate out of my comfort zone, you're so wrong. It's unbelievable.
This is as big a risk as you could take. As big a risk as you could take.
No head coaching experience. Let me share something with you.
Okay. With all of that, you've just heard him reference his osmosis, his family.
Anybody in this room that doesn't believe the apple doesn't go far from the tree has missed it someplace down the road, especially if there was an effort to make it that way, and there was an effort. But then you go around to the countless numbers of coaches that shoddy has served on staff with and been around the countless players how often do you have someone that has 25 i'm going to say 25 it may be 26 of years of working through the human relationship and working, aspiring to learn,

have his ears and eyes wide open and looking for techniques

and looking for things that make coaches better.

That's what I'm talking about, too.

Double-handed, twisted man.

Yeah, that's what you need to do.

Hey, Jerry Jones football right there in the press conference.

I'm getting my proverbial ass kicked.

You don't think I'm out of my comfort zone?

This guy's never been a head coach.

I'm not comfortable with this.

This is the right guy. I'm going to say 25.
Shit. Might be 26.
You're not a Wikipedia ghost. It's hard to add up to numbers when he started, when he finished.
I don't know. Do you add the first year? Do you not account to last year? He knows everybody.
Osmosis. You ever heard of it? It's where one thing bleeds into another because it's around it.
He's been around it his whole damn life. I got faith he's going to be good, and if not, fired.

Dak was front row loving it.

Shottie and he obviously have had success. A lot of people say, what has Shottie done with Dak?

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Let's get them over with. Football! It is wonderful.
We're so incredibly lucky that we get to talk about it every single day. And the Super Bowl has now been set.
It'll be the Chiefs, the back-to-back Super Bowl champions looking to do something no team has ever done in a modern Super Bowl era. Win three straight.
They'll have to get through the daunted Philadelphia Eagles team. That is a ground and pound O-line, D-line Howey team.
Led by Coach Sirianni, who's taking on Andy Reid, who has the most wins in the Philadelphia Eagles franchise history as he leads this Kansas City Chiefs team that literally only wins games.

Have no idea how to lose.

Now, are the refs on their side?

I'm sure you can find reasons to believe that.

But what isn't being talked about enough is how damn clutch that guy is.

Right there.

Any time a play needs to be made, he's going to make it.

You know who he's probably going to throw it to?

That guy on the other side of Andy Reid, Travis Kelsey.

And then let's talk about the D-line. How about Wharton showing up in a big way yesterday he's a stout individual yeah six shoes too he had some nasty J's on Chris Jones I'll tell you what I love how emotional he is about ball national anthem tears big play tears going back Super Bowl tears loves his job you can tell that that entire Kansas City Chiefs team is invested one thing, and that's greatness.
Same with this Philadelphia Eagles team. There's been some drama.
There's been some controversy. There's been some fights on the sideline.
There's been some inner tension from the fan base to the team, but all they've been able to do is navigate a course to get back to the Super Bowl for the second time in three years, two times in the first four seasons of Sirianni being the head coach. Less thinky, more athlete take over.
We're planting a seed in manure. At some point, these flowers are going to grow through the shit, even though you can't see it right now.
The flowers are blossoming. They're back in the Super Bowl in New Orleans.
Take it on. The modern dynasty.
What a game we have, even though a lot of people seem to be pissed about it. Is it the least like Super Bowl that there's ever been? They're saying.
Please, God, Buffalo, need you to beat the Chiefs. If it's Eagles Chiefs, I'm not going to watch the Super Bowl for the first time in my life.
People were saying in the fourth quarter of that NFC Championship, as it was clear that the Philadelphia Eagles were going to win that one, and they continued to literally and figuratively run away with the NFC Championship away from the Commanders. All eyes were on Josh Allen.
Well, he played fantastic. The Buffalo Beals showed up.
They just lost to a team that literally only wins. 32-29, Chiefs cover.
Philadelphia Eagles cover the six-point spread by a fairly large margin. The favorites cover and head to the Super Bowl.
The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Conman, what are your thoughts on the Super Bowl, and what are your thoughts on your team being nowhere near this part of the season? It's okay.
We're in draft prep right now. We're finishing making our staff for the New England Patriots, so we'll get to that point.
I expect us to be in the playoffs next year. But the Super Bowl, I personally think, is kind of awesome.
awesome i think we got it right and normally sometimes i feel like you can go into this game and not be excited about you know one of the teams being terrible or one of the matchups on one side being completely lopsided like i feel like these are two pretty equally matched teams and you brought up chris jones and we kind of forgot to talk about him in the first hour when jalen carter gets off the bench and just says, like, okay, I'm going to go ahead and try and get a sack. And I'm not saying he's not trying on every play, but he is so dominant.
First play of the game. First play of the game.
He was in the back. Welcome to the Thunderdome, he said to that.
Preston, I believe was his name, the backup offensive lineman who was playing guard who had a touchdown earlier in the year. Welcome to the Thunderdome, brother.
This is what's going to be first play. He has this push, pull, swim move that I don't know how you stop.
I legitimately have no idea how you stop it. You just got to hope that he doesn't do it every single play, but he plays every single play.
What do they call him? The rhino or something? The baby rhino. He is awesome in a dog.
Yeah, absolute dog. Nolan Smith, too.
Another Georgia guy. He's kind of come alive here.
I don't know what Tyler Biotish said to Jalen Carter. I think he grabbed his face mask a little.
But did you see Jalen Carter bop him on the noggin? Like, it was bad. I thought he was going to break his nose when it happened in the moment.
But both teams, I think, are so good that the Super Bowl is going to be awesome. So if you don't want to watch it, don't.
As you're watching the Chiefs-Bills, and this even happens to me me and i assume us and we watch every game and talk about every game the narrative was so much about the refs got it the refs got it the refs are the only reason and the chiefs are bad this year the chiefs are bad this year when you watch them play you forget like they are not bad they are so good they are so all three phases a rise that 51-yard punt in that wind, cold, out of bounds to start this entire thing.

Big-ass return happens.

Toby on special teams is making plays all over the place.

Their defense gets stops whenever they need it.

It's like this team is so good at football that you kind of forget to talk about it.

And this guy coming out of Fresno State, I think I saw – oh, my God, I'm so sorry for forgetting her name. There's a former NFL guy.
He does commentary. He's good.
He's on X. I follow him.
100% my fault. Whenever he was at Fresno State, this guy quotes me, a highlight of him at Fresno was like, this guy on the Chiefs is a problem.
And then lo and behold, biggest game of the year. Him on the Chiefs is a problem.
And it's like Andy Reid and Veach, the GM, have an incredible way of finding guys that are perfect for them. Xavier Worthy.
They trade up with the Buffalo Bills to get Xavier Worthy. And in the biggest moment, they utilize this weapon that they thought could potentially come in and change the math for them.
This catch, obviously, people aren't happy about because the ground but the ball can touch the ground just as long as it doesn't move well it's in nobody's possession when it's ground i agree okay i don't know i don't know where that is in the rule book and obviously it favors the chief so people are going to be pissed about it and i can understand why you would be but it's like jet sweeps everything they were doing with him he is he's a difference maker xavier worthy then travis kelsey didn't even really get going yesterday until like the fourth quarter whenever they really needed to make some plays and it's like wait till they see that entire operation and then they got nuke out there's first time going to super bowl he said after the game you know they traded me for pennies in my prime it's like everybody they brought into the team buys into what they are. You know, in meetings, we're on time, we're early.

In practice, we're tucked in, we're doing the entire thing.

The way they go about doing their business is right,

even though people are saying the refs are always wrong.

And Patrick Mahomes is special.

This guy is just a competitor.

He makes the right decision.

He's athletic.

He can make every throw.

And he's an absolute dog.

Whether you like it or not, we're witnessing some magic happen, and Mahomes cannot spike a football. No, that's not.
That's the biggest downfall of this guy is his spike is absolute shite. Spike is shite.
Everything else, great. Let's go to one half of the hammer.
Cowboys, AP tone. Both overs hit, I would assume.
Both favorites covered. Normally that means public wins, but instead everybody was pulling for the dogs.
Yeah, they were pulling for the dogs. It was 66% on Washington yesterday and 71% on the Bills.
Now the public, as they normally are, were on both overs, so they got those there. But no, it was one of those rare situations where they did not take the favorites and they did not cover in that situation.
We were talking about this this morning a little bit, and I mentioned it there to Connor. You know, the Colts haven't had a playoff game in a long time.
You know? I mean. Doesn't seem right.
That's nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Baller.
Former coach. Maybe D.
Boucher. Former Panther, former Patriot.
But absolute dog. It's like the NFC Championship would be so cool to have your team be a part of just so cool nfc championship obviously be so cool to be a part of super bowl these two teams

now we're just going to talk about them for two weeks that's it that's all we're talking we're

going to highlight every player on their team we're going to talk about every single angle

we're going to celebrate these two cities in these two franchises for two weeks now everybody

on the internet's like i ain't so i'm a i'm a hate on them for two weeks straight whatever the case

your team is the focal point there is a lot of teams that are nowhere near getting to this point but the eagles and chiefs they have been you know sustained greatness here over the last five ten years fun to watch teams be able to do that fun for their cities as well yeah so so many different ways to build a team too and to see these two two teams very different in my opinion and you talked about uh the Chiefs all the guys who buy in and just do their do their job like Tooney moving out to tackle doing what he's doing Kareem Hunt back in that building still making plays everybody just showing up when they show up and then the Eagles you've kind of once they brought Saquon over I felt like that was going to be the difference that's how you play football yeah that's going to be the difference regardless of how long we've been playing football, especially in the playoffs. It comes down to running the ball and playing defense.
Fangio obviously found, you know, he found his spot over there in Philly. And the job that Sirianni has done, he talked about a lot of people on the internet talk about him not doing shit.
Putting his staff together, this is his third time now. He's had to replace coordinators.
And back in the Super Super Bowl already Jalen Hurts takes a lot of shit I think

he plays good football he takes care of the football

he gets his team in a position to win

more times than not so I cannot wait for this

matchup and let's talk about it for the next couple

weeks. How about Saquon's calf

obviously we'll talk about it he continued

to play after they showed him getting

on the bike and rubbing and everything like that

don't think he was as explosive obviously as it was

the first play where he takes it to the crib

but he's special man this guy

is special he is so good

I'm sorry. on the bike and rubbing and everything like that.
Don't think he was as explosive, obviously, as it was the first play where he takes it to the crib. But he's special, man.
This guy is special. He is so good at the football.
He is, and they bought into it. You know, when Christian McCaffrey goes over to the San Francisco 49ers, we wonder, how is he going to fit in? They got weapons everywhere.
They say, well, he's actually our guy. We are going to now not fit it.
We're going to fit in around him. Same thing has happened with Saquon.
I think there was some early adversity they had to get through. I think Devontae Smith, A.J.
Brown, obviously very good wide receivers, got paid a lot of money, expecting a lot of balls. Obviously, there was like our past games a problem, yada, yada, yada.
That was said by players on the team. But once they've all just kind of realized like, oh, this dude's different back here.
Definitely worth $13.5 million a year. At least.
He's getting $250,000 bonus for winning the NFC Championship. Another $250,000 available for if they win a Super Bowl.
So $14 million, let alone all the other escalators. Let's go to New York Giants superfan Bruce Brown in the back.
You think the Philadelphia Eagles are worried about $13.5 million going to Saquon, Bruce? No, certainly not. I mean, Howie Roseman has basically constructed the most perfect football team I've ever seen in my opinion and basically is ruining my life.
I mean, he's a top three running back in the league. You put him behind the best offensive line in the league and this is what you get, you know, chasing down Eric Dickerson all the way.
I love that he has constructed the best football. You know how, like, Brock Purdy gets in trouble because he has so many weapons around him.
He's not good. Yeah.
Will Howard at Ohio State. This guy's not good.
He's got so many weapons. Nick Sirianni now is being judged.
He's got – what did he do? Howie's team, baby. Head coach.
Yeah. He's got a good team around him.
That's easy. Okay.
Who told Howie O-line, D-line? Well, that's Sirianni's dad. So even more so, this guy didn't do anything.
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, A.J. Hawk.
A.J., what does Sirianni do? This guy doesn't do anything. Now he's getting...
Who cares? Hey, Coach, go to another Super Bowl. We don't care about this guy.
What a story over there in Philly, AJ. Yeah, Philly's awesome.
It's great to see Coach Sirianni, too, in his presser, letting multiple people know the tongue is beanbag. So that's a new development that I was happy to see, actually.
Yeah, I don't know if that was his first choice to say. I'm not 100% sure.
I wasn't there, obviously, at a live press conference. There are some people on the Internet that are thinking that that was definitely Coach Sirianni, so that's making its rounds.
I'm sure there's going to have to be some sort of... Statement? Community note.
Think about that, H. If that gets community noted...
Please. It might.
It will. Absolutely, people will take it.
That'll be the real thing for them. What do you mean? I mean, yeah.
so no there's no community notes then we're good well hulkster too that got community noted when hulkster did his press conference uh live uh on the show promoting his real american beer but sirianni and this team and uh you know i kind of i literally won after aq shipley a little bit you know and that's devontae smith being a part of the Gatorade bath alongside A.J. Brown on Sirianni.
And think about everything that they've had to deal with. They've had to bury their ego and their pride a little bit that they are no longer the stars of the team.
They are stars on the team, but they are no longer the point of the team, of the offense. That is Saquon Barkley.
We read a Hembo stat earlier. This season they have called 725 rushes, only 517 passes.
So, you know, like the two star wide receivers, wide receivers are who they are. They want the ball, especially whenever they get paid.
They are supposed to, like, hey, this is what we're here for. You give me the ball.
Next contract, nowhere near as high if I don't get the ball. So, always going to want to be a hungry wide receiver.
If you want a good wide receiver, they're going to be hungry. They've had to kind of swallow their ego, swallow their pride.
Well, how do they do that? Well, the head coach probably has to do a lot of navigating of emotions and feelings and framing of mindsets and conversations. So them being the ones that dump that on Sirianni Head, I think is a massive message.
I think that's a big deal.

AJ, legitimately, I think that's a big deal for Sirianni.

It's a huge deal.

I mean, we look around the league,

there's guys getting fired every single year because they can't seem to get their culture right.

There's always problems.

We know with all the Eagles,

everything going on in the locker room,

the head coach, the good ones,

it's really hard to replace and to find them.

But honestly, I want to hit on the Eagles defense for a second. We hear about, oh, the commanders turning the ball over.
No, they force these damn turnovers. Take one.
This Eagles team, watch Bond. Great hustle, obviously, to get there.
Then bam, just absolutely perfect. Oren Burks had another great one.
He stepped up for N'Kobe Dean. This Eagles' defense is fun to watch, and they are absolutely relentless..
That's honestly what I took away. First play, Saquon, this dude is special.
We know that. Everything about him is crazy.
The Eagles offensive line I was impressed with at the same time. This defense for Philly, they are fun to watch.
They force these turnovers. I appreciate what you said there too about that defense because they had to be resilient.
Washington came out and had a 17 a 17 play drive to start this game went for it on two different fourth downs got it end up kicking a field goal it was very similar to the beginning of that national championship when notre dame went on an 18 play scoring drive and i think lathan ransom came out and said jack sawyer gave the best pregame speech i'd ever heard in my life and then riley and notre dame come on an 18play drive to start it all, and it's like, well, speech doesn't mean shit. It's like, well, maybe it caught up afterwards, because I think it went for negative four yards net until the second half.
It's like, what their defense had to do, 17 plays, giving up multiple fourth downs. Jaden Daniels, unconscious on fourth downs, too.
I don't know why they didn't just play four-down football. Yeah, legit.
I don't know why he kicked the field goal. I guess because it was close.
It was makeable. It was fourth and longer than what they thought was manageable.
And then whenever they go to punt it, Tress Wade throws a perfect fake. It's like, I love the way that Commander's team chose to play.
I like the way they decided to go about things all season. Shout to them and their future.
But back to your point, it wasn't turnovers. You're saying this was takeaways.
This team was taking the ball away. They had a nasty kind of aggressive mindset about that ball is ours.
You just happen to be holding it. Zach Bond, not a member of the Exciting Whites is what we've been told.
By who? Black guy. You sure? But you are you sure about that? I'm not positive.
Okay, so then you're going to say that. I can just say white guy then, right? And he's on team white guy? We got a DM from somebody.
Granted, who knows if it's real or not. They said he's not a member of the Exciting Whites.
He's not a member of the Exciting Whites. But is this like a D-butt situation where he can be on the Exciting Whites, but everybody wants him? What are you talking about about? I feel like everybody wants to claim Zach Bond because he's so good at football.
Speaking of Zach Bond, who's so good at football, he was a special teamer. Yeah.
He comes to the Eagles. Now he's Defensive Player of the Year.
Flying around, one-year deal. The amount of money he's going to make.
He's everywhere. And I love how much he hits his helmet.
I like any linebacker that hits his helmet like yeah yeah yeah but if you're a special teamer sign a one-year deal the amount of people that have doubted you the amount of people that you have had to like kind of overcome the amount of stories that have been told about you not being able to be a guy and then getting an opportunity to do as such and taking advantage of his opportunity let alone that play but every play he's he's made all damn year, he's special. This Zach Bond guy, he's special.
Perfect for Nick Sirianni, dog mentality, kibbles and bits guy. Could be the defensive player of the year.
And what AJ said about his defense, dude, we remember how bad this defense was down the stretch last year when they were going from coordinator, then putting Matty P as a coordinator with like four or five weeks left. And then for them to have this type of turnaround, you bring in Zach Bond, you draft Quincy Mitchell, who's been phenomenal.
He locked up Scary Terry again yesterday. You draft Cooper DeGene.
You put him in there, re-blanket ship. CJ GJ's back.
Slade's still playing big-time ball just up front. The second level, you lose a guy like Dean, have guys that step up.
Just an unbelievable job from top to bottom of Philly. I love the Coop.
Love it. Anytime he does anything.
As he's going out to return a punt even, Coop they're doing all good. Anytime you go one of those names, that feels good.
And they love him over there as they should. Guys got Moxie, he and Blankenship are doing a lot.
They're doing a lot. On the biggest stage here now.
They're going to be doing a lot. Flying around.
Yeah, I need them. Need them to look fast.
More than ever. Yeah, need them to look fast.
Need them to jump high. Maybe some more dances too.
Let's work on some rhythm, boys. Let's get some rhythm out there.
Let's do it all. The exciting whats alongside Zach Bond there.
First turnover of the game. That was basically a message that was being sent for the rest of the entire nfc championship going back to you talking about um devonta smith and aj brown and you talk about it you know how you know they were used to getting a lot more footballs and now the saquon comes in there they are running a ton you talked like the 60 yard touchdowns he's got more than in the history of nfl like those are 20 yard runs runs if they aren't blocking downfield.
And like A.J. Brown is burying dudes in the ground on every single running play.
Yeah, that's like we talk about the Kansas City Chiefs. Travis Kelsey lead blocking for Patrick Mahomes on that touchdown.
Like that's beautiful. That's laying it all in the line for your team.
And let's talk about the Chiefs. Age, big story is Josh Allen got the first down.
Big story is that ball hit the ground age big story is josh allen got the first down big story is that

ball hit the ground big story is yet again taylor swift travis kelsey that's terrible i mean that

was really i don't know how that happened i don't honestly i don't know how that happens with patch

mahomes that's the first real slip up i've ever seen for patch mahomes where i go what's wrong

with this guy is everything okay he would end up uh doing just fine later after this um but

that's the conversation i think people want to diminish what the chiefs are strictly because there are some certain situations where it's like but this seems great h at uh all levels on all phases i mean they're it's crazy to think like they have that mystique that aura about them it's very similar to the Patriots had for a while, where teams, I'm not saying teams are intimidated or anything, but when you watch the Chiefs play, you expect them to win the game. Almost like no matter what the score is in the fourth quarter, whatever it is, if there's any kind of possibility, like, okay, Patrick Mahomes and this team is going to figure it out.
And beautiful, beautiful call by Spags at the end with the blitz, kind of catching them off guard a little bit. Josh Allen does an unbelievable job to try to make something of it.
Yeah, this would have been a tough catch, I agree. But man, what a beautiful call by Spaggs.
And this defense, another underrated part of the team. But I think we've talked about it more.
Spaggs gets a lot of pub, but I think they have a bunch of individual superstars on this defense, but they play so well together. Yeah, bring a corner blitz on force Don to win the game.
And obviously, you can draw that up in a meeting. You can say, this is what we're going to do in this situation.
Kincaid knows he has to catch that. The fact that Josh Allen found him in that moment, insane.
But Spags isn't scared. And what Spags has done as a D.C.
is historic. First ballot Hall obviously he's won what four superbowls one with new york giants three with kansas city chiefs that's more than any coordinator in history i saw somebody tweet the fact that they've just let spags remain with the chiefs and not become a head coach somewhere is even more inside information that the nfl wants this chiefs team to be the next dynasty because there's some people out there in the coaching world that think the nfl basically says like this is a head coach now you know behind the scenes there's a list people say you know there's a list that is made like hey this is the list of people you can hire from can we see it i've never seen it but you've heard people that don't get jobs say well i'm not on the list it's like well what's the list well you know the nfl makes a list of head coaching candidates gm candidates you got to be on the list that's where the teams go to it's like i've never seen it but you definitely heard of it before and people are saying has spags not been on it why is spags not on that list question why Good question.
Why is Spags not getting any interviews? This guy just wins Super Bowls. That's all he does.
When everybody's talking about the offense on his team, all he has is a defense that's able to stop Josh Allen seemingly every single time Josh Allen needs to make a play. How come Spags isn't a head coach? How come everybody's saying Aaron Glenn is definitely going to get a head coaching job? How come nobody's saying Spags is definitely going to get a head coaching job? That is a good question.
Is it because Spags is just cool with not doing it all? Spags is okay with just being a defense coordinator for the best team in football at the time. I don't know.
I legitimately don't know, but I did respect that somebody mentioned it. Oh, you think the first down call is bad? Dalton Kincaid and Josh Allen? You think the ball hitting the ground and them getting a completion is bad? You think all that other stuff? How about them just being allowed to keep Spaggs as their defensive coordinator? What the hell is that about? I'm like, didn't even think about it, but why is Spaggs' name not up for any of these head coaching jobs? Yeah, it's ridiculous.
All names from all secret lists need to be revealed, but with Spaggs... Agreed.
I think they're coming, too. I don't know about...
That is kind of the word on the street. There's a couple that probably won't.
Lock it done. For Spags and – What? Wait, why? Are you on one? You have inside info? No, I want everything out there.
I'm for transparency. You know that.
Yeah, absolutely. That's why you don't tan.
You want to be as white as possible. That's not my choice, but yeah.
Yeah, I got it. Yeah, but with Spags, it feels like there are those coaches that become head coaches, and then once they go through all the shit that you have to deal with, I mean, to our point about Sirianni, all the things that you have to deal with as a head coach, like you're just kind of over that.

And you want to go back to just being, you know, a football coach.

We saw it with Chip Kelly at Ohio State and granted that's college, but that is kind of the same type of thing where you're taking a instead of taking a head coaching job, you're just going to be a coordinator because then all you have to worry about is coaching ball and Spags just kind of falls under that list. And there are other guys too, like Todd Munkin, they're talking about like why the hell isn't he getting a head coaching job? But he just might not want to be a head coach.
It was reported that Spags interviewed with the Jets and the Jags and Las Vegas reached out for a a potential interview, and he didn't get the job, obviously. Did they cycle? Yeah, allegedly.
I didn't know that. I didn't know that either.
Jags, I remember him being on the list, but yeah, I forgot that if he actually took the interview. What if he just shows up and they go, why do you want to be a head coach? I don't.
I know what it is. Teams get real antsy in their pants, and they want to name their head coach And they're tired of waiting until after the Super Bowl To have to potentially name Spags Might have been Kelly Moe's issue Could have been Kelly Moe's issue Kelly Moe's still coaching Obviously with the Philadelphia Eagles That offense is awesome It's special that we can take a trip back in time But still have more explosive plays Than anybody else else.
Like what Saquon in that offensive line is able to do, and obviously the wide receivers blocking down, and them sticking and staying committed to it, this is old school football, AJ. They're going to come and get you.
They're going to try to run you over, run through you, run around you, however you can do it. And he's untackleable, seemingly.
And somehow he only gets faster as he moves down the field. He's special's special this team's special and this is what people thought you couldn't do in a modern day and age and win AJ yeah no I think I mean credit to Jalen Hurts too though I think he played one of his best games in a while he didn't have to do everything but he did absolutely what he needed to do to get that team man just look at the O-lineman downfield pushing dudes knocking dudes over like that's what that what this team is about, exactly what you're saying.
Superstar receivers blocking downfield. Going back to Sirianni's whole situation, you tell me this whole team's not bought in.
This guy has figured it out. He's got these guys, what do you say, rowing in the same direction, going towards the same goal.
They all seem to be bought in, especially at the right time of the year, too. This is when you need to be bought in.
Okay, back to my point. So AQ Shipley said the Philadelphia Eagles had the best offensive line in football.
Then he ranked them number six out of eight teams that were left in the playoffs because he didn't think Jalen Hurts was going to be able to make any plays or make any throws whenever he needed to. He wasn't the only one that thought that.
A lot of people thought that. And I kept asking him.
I thought we literally judged teams by their offensive line. I thought we were able to tell who could win and who could lose because of their offensive line.
It's like Philadelphia's proving that if you have a great offensive line and a great run game, you can win. You can make it to the Super Bowl.
Will there be more teams that will be trying to do this? Is this what modern football now is? As opposed to being wide-ass open, which granted, Tevante Smith, A.J. Brown out there, Goddard getting the ball a lot.
Goddard was getting the ball a lot, even ran the ball. Handed it to him.
Yeah, inside handoff on Goddard. So they've got weapons outside.
I'm not saying that they won't have to make a throw, and Jalen had to make a throw. Fourth down had to make a throw.
Late in the game, he had to make some throws. But it feels like they are very okay just being a run-first, run-dominant team.
Offensive line carries this entire squad. I feel like more teams are going to start doing this, especially if it has success because it's a monkey-see, monkey-do league.
Do you agree with that, D-Butch? I mean, they're still creating explosive plays. And it is, you know, Saquon is obviously a huge part of that, but this offensive line.
And then Jalen Hurts, and AJ knows this, what you have to do as a defense when a guy like that is in gun, you know, next to Saquon, you always have to respect that extra element of the quarterback run game. And then I think Kelly Moe did a great job kind of getting Jalen Hurts moving out of the pocket early, getting some easy completions, just getting him kind of in a rhythm because when they're throwing the ball, making those completions, you saw the big fourth down, he hit the A.J.
Brown down the field. Like if A.J.
Brown is one-on-one, he's going to win that nine times out of ten. The same thing with Devontae.
So I think you would try to build a team like this, but I don't think I've ever seen a team that gets as many explosive plays in the run game like the Philadelphia Eagles does. And that's not just Saquon.
It's Jalen Hurts getting into the right plays. It's Kellen Moore drawing it up.
And then it's Saquon taking what would be 20-yard games and making them 70-yard games? Most 60-yard runs in the history of the NFL. Saquon this year with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Explosives. There's a Hembo stat here on explosives that he sent me.
Take care of the football, too, man. Not turning the football over is huge, especially when you have a good defense and a good run game.
Just taking care of the football will that's how you don't beat yourself. Explosive play margin entering the Super Bowl.
Explosive plays has kind of been the stat of the year. You know, because there was a lot of mud football early.
It's a new one. Yeah, explosive stats has become, 20 plus yard plays has become the stat to look at.
Explosive play margin entering the Super Bowl. Eagles, plus 47.
Chiefs, minus 16. Crazy.
That's wild. That is a huge.
But the Chiefs have been outgained a lot, and they've won the games. The Chiefs have obviously been outplayed a lot, and they've won the games.
The Chiefs just know how to win football games. Was this their first 30-point game? Yes.
Best game they've had all year. Since week 12 of last season.
That's great. Best that they've ever done.
And going back to Jalen Hurts and talking about their explosive plays and having to be able to throw it, I thought Tom was good. I enjoyed Tom Brady.
I think he's great now. I thought Tom was very good.
Speaking from experience of these massive games, and then there was multiple times where he's like, Jalen, throw it. They're showing the replay because the big convo is Jalen holds onto it too long.
That's why he takes too many sacks. He's like, as soon as they were lined up, A.J.
Brown was one-on-one on the outside. He's like, this is an easy no-brainer here.
You get back, you throw this thing up to him. Jalen holds onto it, Jalen holds onto it.
It's like, I thought Tom did a fantastic job calling the game, and he still did his, like, excitable things. I think Tom has really grown into his own.
I appreciated him yesterday a lot on the call. From, like, week one to where we are now, it's like two completely different broadcasters almost.
Like, Tom is so good now. And I would even argue Tony Romo.
Like, Tony Rom Romo in his intro I think Tony was hated a lot and I've been on this this wheel of Tony Romo for quite some time where I loved him immediately and I hated him and I loved him and I hate him and I'm back to loving him because he kind of knows who he is now like right away in the intro he he like said all this stuff and then he did like uh here we go Jim and looked at the He knows. Knowing that everyone's making fun of him for it.
His hair real thick. Yeah.
He's phenomenal. His hair real thick.
Taylor Swift's impression was spot on as well. Awesome.
I like the juice. We got a white A, white A.
Jim had an interesting game too, Jim Nance. He's always so damn smooth.
With him down on, obviously, the stage doing the celebration. Travis Kelsey's got a new song.
Yeah, he does. Do a little thing.
Make a little love. Get down tonight.
Get down tonight. What are we doing? I didn't hear anyone say that.
That was interesting. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
You gotta fight for your ride to party. Do that again.
He's not a one-trick pony. What do you want this guy to do? You can be in that situation, though.
That situation doesn't call for, like, hey, let's do a new song. Let's do a new song this time, and hopefully everyone's with me.
And they kind of were. I mean, you got a little bit of it, but if he does fight for your rights, that place isucous and it's going crazy and they know exactly what i didn't like all the confetti coming at weird times so much yeah like there's one dump of confetti and everybody's like whoa a lot of confetti and then it was like all right new introduction a person well more confetti it was like there was there was like four different sheets of confetti that just kind of blocked off the entire video.
And obviously, there's Mama Kelsey with great chocolate chip cookie recipe and Taylor Swift, biggest star on earth. Do little things.
Get down tonight. Yeah, they said it.
Yeah, they said it. Yeah.
Oh, really? Yeah, we heard it. They didn't have microphone on the crowd.
I must have seen a different video. They didn't have microphone on the crowd.
I didn't hear anyone say it. No, it didn't have microphone on the crowd.
You didn on a crowd. No, I heard him cheer.
I just never, I didn't hear anyone do the... That's a tough call.
Popular song. Everybody knows the song.
You gotta fight for your right to party. Sweet.
That's his thing. Yeah, and they fought for their right to party.
Dying to Orleans too, big party. Yeah, but they got down tonight.
I don't know if... I don't know if anyone did.
People were having sex last night in Kansas City. I'm sure they were.
I'm sure there was plenty of boning. A lot of whiskey dick too, though.
Yeah. That's how cold it was.
Some brisket guts as well. It's Philadelphia.
I saw a guy walking around with it. That was awesome.
Did you see that? The pig roast, yeah, in the grocery cart. Yeah, the mobile.
Genius. Genius.
That's what I'm talking about. How come these...
How come the ingenuity of these sports fans is just so much higher than everywhere else? You know, we need to put them in positions of power. Agreed.
Agreed. Maybe we'll get a new phone.
This is awesome. Look at that, John.
Hey, listen, it's not ready yet, but you want me? Well, we got you. About 10-15 minutes.
I'm going to be over here at the Green Lot. You can come see me there.
Just rolling around with fire. Cooking up a beast.
Loving everything about it. What were you going to say there, Tone? I saw a stat or two injury in your brain.
Oh, yes, they did. I believe on the program yesterday, the broadcast, I think it's 17 straight games, one score games that the Chiefs have won.
And then you were talking about... Which is a skill.
Which is very much a skill. You were talking about the running game.
I was looking. I went and immediately looked it up.
Baltimore, number one. Really good team.
Philly, Detroit, Washington is number four. And then Buffalo is number nine.
So a lot of those teams are in the top ten of rushing. Chiefs are 23rd.
So, I mean, they just win ballgames. They don't have to do what everyone else does, I guess.
Outrush, outgamed, outplayed. Doesn't matter.
They're going to play. They're going to win.
Best third down team all year. That makes sense.
Yeah, all year long. And then they didn't turn the ball over.
They don't beat themselves, too, ever. Yeah.
Like, when's the last time the Chiefs have beat themselves? Never. It was actually the Bills game this year during the regular season when you just said that.
It reminded me. Mahomes threw a pick on his first and last throw of the game against the Bills buffalo this year and that was the last time they turned the ball over so many stats coming through from hembo it's hard to kind of accurately depict what matters and what doesn't the chiefs have not tallied more penalties than their opponent in 12 consecutive playoff games okay they're disciplined very disciplined is that what that's saying D'Amico Ryan said this last week.
He was like,

we know what it means when you go in and play the

Chiefs. It's almost like around the league.

People understand there's a chance they might

get a call or two, but we talked about this

all last week leading up in the game.

You have to beat them by 10 to 13 points.

You have to. You can't beat

them in a one-score game.

Because if it comes down to it,

they're going to score, and they're going to win. They've done it time and time again until someone does that.
They're not going to lose. Another Hembo stat here about Spaggs.
Spaggs is 20-4 in the playoffs as a defense coordinator. 20 wins, 4 losses.
Some of the highlights here, he's beaten Josh Allen four times in the playoffs. He beat Lamar Jackson last year, obviously ending his MVP season.
And he beat Brett Favre in Lambeau, then ended Tom Brady's undefeated season in 2007. This guy's been doing it a long time.
20-4 in the playoffs. Unbelievable stuff.
Last three playoff meetings, Patrick Mahomes has nine touchdowns against the Buffalo Bills. Nine touchdowns, one turnover, four sacks taken.
Josh Allen, nine touchdowns, zero turnovers, four sacks taken. So I guess you could probably say Josh Allen has outplayed.
What do we think about Josh Allen? I'm bummed out for this guy. Bummed out.
Really, really bummed out for him. Obviously, yeah, playing against the Chiefs in this era with Patrick Mahomes and all they're doing, it's unfortunate that he has to do that, but I mean, the dude is special.
The dude is awesome. i think he still finds a way to get at least one ring eventually maybe more but yeah like i'm not down on him at all i feel terrible for him maybe maybe we hope he does we hope he gets a ring because obviously he's we hope he gets an mvp at some point like we are hoping but nothing is promised in the nfl josh allen is currently oh and four versus patrick mahomes in the playoffs philip rivers was oh and three versus tom bromes in the playoffs.
Phillip Rivers was 0-3 versus Tom Brady in the playoffs. Brett Favre was 0-3 versus Troy Aikman in the playoffs.
Bernie Kosar was 0-3 versus John Elway in the playoffs. Dan Marino, 0-3 versus Jim Kelly.
Those are the worst head-to-head records in playoff history. Josh now owns the worst head-to-head record in playoff playoffs.
This is why the Chiefs are assholes.

Because at least the Patriots and their dynasty runs,

they let Ben sneak through a couple times.

They let Peyton sneak through a couple times.

They even let Joe Flacco sneak through one time.

Chiefs don't let anyone else win.

And that's bullshit.

Joe Burrow slid through.

Oh, Joe Burrow did slide through.

And he didn't get the job done.

Yeah, and they may never go back.

There's a reality we live in where Burrow, Lamar, and Josh Allen, one of those those guys or all of them or two of them aren't going to win a Super Bowl. Buffalo has allowed 27-plus points in each of its last five playoff losses.
Average is 33.2 points given up over that span. 20 touchdowns, six sacks, three takeaways is the Buffalo Bills defense.
And in playoff history, I've not read this one yet, so I'm excited to see where Hembo takes this one. He's just coming through.
This could be a stat that, you know. Hopefully not Schefter one.
We have to piece it. Well, Schefter was in the middle.
They were killing Schefter, man. Shut up, Schefter.
Yeah, right? You don't think he had a clue he'd put it out there? It's facts. Send it out there and say

I'm just telling you what facts are. Just no agenda.

No agenda. No agenda.
No

intention. No intention.

In playoff history, teams to

score three plus touchdowns in

a turnover free game are

140 wins and

19 losses.

Josh Allen is the only quarterback

with multiple such losses and he has three all against the Chiefs within the last four seasons. 140 and 19.
Without Josh Allen, 140 and 16. And three of them are in the last four seasons.
It's like, he plays great ball in the biggest moment and can't get to the Super Bowl, can't win a Super Bowl going to win the mvp either this year we assume yeah because lamar jackson got first team all pro with the same voters that are doing the mvp vote even though maybe saquon who certainly arguably worthy of the mvp might have eaten up some of the votes but it's like josh allen's doing everything he can do out there man josh allen is playing his best ball on the biggest stages, and people 20 years from now are going to say, Josh just wasn't good enough. It's like he is, though.
He certainly is. He just can't get past this juggernaut that is the Kansas City Chiefs.
He kind of reminds me of Rodgers a little bit because this is what the Packers went through for a long time before they – well, you know what I mean? They won a Super Bowl in there, but it was was the same thing. They'd score a bunch of points on offense and their defense was always giving up 42, 49 points like they, and now he never had, Rogers never had like a Mahomes type guy in the NFC that he was kind of butting heads with that he could never get past.
But like at a certain point, it's like, what more do you want Josh Allen to do? Does he need to get in there and like play linebacker or DN too? And like try to sacks or force a couple turnovers? There's not much more he could have done less. Or James Cook.
He's special, man. He was absent in the fourth quarter.
He needs to be able to feel more. That stretch out? Yeah, exactly.
I don't know why later he's not in. I mean, that's certainly something Joe Brady and McDermott are going to have to answer for.
Now, obviously, McDermott's a defensive coach, but he is certainly going to have to take the blame for all the decisions that get made in things. But James Cook, Dalvin Cook's saying 20 mil a year will do.
This guy feels like, you see what Saquon just did? Go ahead and put James Cook in an offense. Have him be the focal point and see what happens.
James Cook is a dog. Since their team, since Joe Brady has become the offensive coordinator, they put a lot more attention in the ball in the hands of that guy, and they've been massively better, no doubt about it.
Buffalo, including the playoffs, and Bustat, the Bills played 13 turnover-free games this season. That is the most by any team in a season since the stat has been tracked in 1933.
So they played the most efficient football, either, of all season offense. Josh Allen's going to have a dumbass turnover in an inopportune time.
It's like 13 turnover free games this season. Still don't win anything.
Didn't even win the AFC. Nope.
Might not win the MVP. Won't win the Super Bowl.
Man. Buffalo's last championship, the city as a whole whole came in 1965 in the AFL

even their hockey team

says Hembo

sorry about it Sabres fans

they've played 53 seasons

have never won a title

Buffalo has been trophy-less

championship-less

since 1965

those people deserve it

those people don't deserve that

they deserve a championship

four falls of Buffalo

or whatever that

four straight Super Bowls

Thank you for creating the Buffalo Wingy. not got great wingies.
Great wingies. Anchor bar, massive respect.
Thank you for creating the Buffalo wingie. Not the best wingie, I don't think, personally.
Okay. There's other wings in Buffalo that are...
Anchor wing's small. You ever seen them? You ever had them? I don't think so.
You've never had anchor wings? I don't think so. The original Buffalo wing? Uh-uh.
Butch. That from Buffalo? Yeah.
Yeah. That was a Buffalo.
Dude. It's a great city.
That's the championships. Don't.
Okay, is that what you're saying? You're trying to power? There's a 65. Oh, geez.
It's a great place. It really felt like it was the Bills year this year.
Yeah, I was texting with Nick during the game. It was a battle.
It was a good joust. Great joust.
They had to lead in the fourth. I mean, it is.
Like every time they play. Poor lead changes.
It is a great game. Yeah, I mean, that is.
And there's some stat about Patrick Mahomes being down in the fourth quarter, coming back and winning. He's the most in the history of the NFL or something like that.
Yeah, he's like nine for nine on those types of drives and like clutch times. Since 1950, there are 241 starting quarterbacks that have trailed in the fourth quarter of a game at least 25 times.
Patrick Mahomes

is the only quarterback out of the 241

to help lead his team to a win

in at least 50% of those stats.

Of course he is.

This guy, he just wins.

He just wins. And people are going to say, well, it's because

the refs. It's like, well, maybe he's special.

Maybe we're watching a

special competitor here who just so

happens to play football. If he would have played

baseball, I assume he'd be great. If he was

the refs it's like well maybe he's special maybe maybe we're watching a special competitor here who just so happens to play football if he would play baseball i assume he'd be great if he was to play anything do anything i assume he'd be great we just so happen are lucky enough to have him in the nfl even though people are hating him now whenever he's 29 years old whenever people talk about his story whenever it's done it's like this dude is one of one this dude is special and uh the team they built around him, obviously great. Juju Smith-Schuster read his name on the internet for a situation that was happening up in New England.
Then he has his biggest game he's had all year for the Kansas City Chiefs. But it's like, this dude's unbelievable.
This dude is special. And we're lucky he picked football as opposed to any other sport he probably could have played, AJ.
Yeah, I mean, the fact that how he was able to use his legs last night and how he ran the ball, that's just what it is. Hey, whatever it takes for this team to win, I'll find a way to will this team win.
Obviously, we know it's a team game. His defense plays well.
He has great players around him. But, man, the confidence that he exudes, that trickles down, is something I mention all the time.
And when you have a guy like patrick mahomes i think your team feels like hey we're fine no matter what we are good to go we are going to win this game you know what's interesting is travis and patrick are obviously the two biggest stars and sometimes they can shy away from that you know that's something you could potentially shot those two are the first two running out you know of the tunnel those two are the ones to the group. It's like those two understand like, hey, this is our team.
Patrick Mahomes understands his importance. He understands his position.
So does Travis in this entire thing. Even if Travis doesn't have his biggest game, he's still very important to the entire process of them winning.
Pacheco gets hurt during the season. Him back being healthy is awesome.
That's a huge first down. They thought he stayed in bounds.
He went out of bounds, stopped the clock. But then they have to make another play.
No problem. Let's get to Pirine, who's obviously great for the Cincinnati Bengals.
He comes in. Nobody's going to expect him to get the ball.
First down. This game's over.
We're going to another Super Bowl. It's like, in the biggest moments, we saw it last year at the Colts.
Our backup running back leaks out. The first thing I thought about.
Me too. Me too.
And Shane Steichen,ikin whenever he was asked like why would you put a guy that hasn't been in in that situation in that situation and i don't know if shane said it publicly or just to us personally but he said you think the using texans thought he was getting the ball in that situation that's why he was wide ass open you think the buffalo bills thought p ryan was going to get the ball coming out of the backfield there? No. That's why he's wide-ass open.
He obviously catches it because he's a big-time player, and it's a big-time moment. He's been there before, especially with Cincinnati, but he gets the first down.
That game's over. Nobody's expecting that ball.
And that's Andy Reid football right there, and that's them executing. That's what we always talk about.
The little things don't show up until they show up. This play was an example of that because early in the game they ran a very similar play with P.
Ron in the game. I think they threw it to either Hollywood Brown or Xavier Worthy on a crossing route.
And then the Russian touchdown that Patrick Mahomes had when Travis Kelce was the lead blocker. They ran that same formation, that same play on a Kareem Hunt touchdown earlier in the game.
So it's like they're always playing chess, kind of setting you up for when the games and the plays matter the most. And that last play we talk about, you know, Josh Allen playing great and him falling short, they had opportunity to answer.
Now fourth and five, that's where kind of coaching comes in too because now you have Spags and Joe Brady. Now they're playing the chess game, and obviously Spags won that matchup there.
so it all matters. Everybody on that team, everybody

in the organization and that's why this

team is on the cusp

of getting history.

Yeah, imagine if Piran drops that.

Why the hell did you

pick to throw the ball to Samaji

Piran whenever you have

everybody else on your team, all the weapons, but

instead he catches it and gets the first

down the game's over. Just like whenever

Buckner was hurt earlier in the year. They bring

in kickers that have been cut from other places in this game

Thank you. Everybody else on your team, all the weapons.
But instead, he catches it and gets a first down, the game's over. Just like whenever Bucker was hurt earlier in the year.
They bring in kickers that have been cut from other places in this game. They make game winners for him.
It's like whenever you put the Chiefs jersey on, for whatever reason, you play your best football. And shout out to Bucker.
He had to make a big-time kick in the fourth quarter. He did.
Remember when he came back from injury, he was a little bit off. Now they're in the playoffs.
He's able to make every single kick, drives that one straight through, a little breezy, a little cold. Who cares? He's going to make that kick.
Kickers have missed that kick this year. That is something that is very easily missable or even blocked because he hit a little bit lower.
But he's the chief. So what happens? Ball goes through the uprights.
It's unbelievable what happens for that chief. Yeah, I mean, everything always pans out.
Everything always works out for them. And that's just how it is, and that's the world we live in, and we're just going to have to keep dealing with it until we don't, which doesn't seem like it's anytime soon.
No, no, no. He's 29 years old.
They're saying he doesn't want to play. Very nice.
That's what I was going to say. If you hate him now, how much do you think you're going to hate him six years from now when he's 35 and he's got seven or ten Super Bowls like he guess what he's not gonna retire tomorrow he might play until he's 45 yeah and forget about um you know all the other stuff on the field what patrick palms can do how he leads how they draw plays how he can make every single play he also hasn't bitched at all about his contract you know ever he's watching guys that have guys that have accomplished one one-thousandth of what he has accomplished get paid 15, 20 million more a year than him.

And he hasn't said a single thing.

They'll take care of me, he says.

They'll take care of me.

It'll get worked out.

It's like this is the perfect franchise guy.

It's literally the perfect franchise quarterback

and it's certainly worked out perfectly thus far.

Can they get another Super Bowl

over a very, very, very good Eagles team? We shall shall see let's talk about some other news around the nfl kelvin shepherd officially defense coordinator for the detroit lions that was announced over the weekend he was one of the teammates of mine in darius butler he was traded from buffalo to indianapolis i believe buffalo got jerry hughes in return so they were obviously pumped with how that worked out. So were we.
He was loved in our locker room, great leader in our locker room. We saw him on Hard Knocks when he was coaching with MCDC.
I love everything about this hire. I think he's going to do a great job, and I'm thankful that MCDC has given him the opportunity.
He was a great teammate, great communicator. You know, we always have those teammates where we're like, okay, that guy will be a coach if he wants to in the future.
He was that guy.

And then seeing him on the sideline, we got a chance to catch up with him.

We went to Colts training camp practice a few years, a couple years ago when Lions were in town.

And then watching them on hard knocks was awesome, too, when you had the interaction with Rodrigo and the rest of the linebackers in that meet room.

So we have that tape.

Actually, let's run that.

Watch Rodrijez. Watch Rodrijez.
I, uh, we have that tape access. Let's run that.
Watch Rod Reyes.

Watch Rod Reyes.

I'm sick of saying this by the rookie.

What do y'all want me to do? Put him out there first?

Because that's what's about to happen.

And it ain't nothing against you, Rod Reyes.

Matter of fact, you're playing your ass, I'll do.

But it's a rookie

who I'm doing everything I can not to put out here first.

I'm sick of f***ing saying it.

He's in the same drills y'all are in.

Step two, pull the lineman off.

Soon as he come off, rock back, the ball gonna be there.

Keep playing your ass off, dude.

And he's gonna continue to climb the depth chart

Until somebody decides

I'm not going to let this rookie take my job

He ain't a first round pick

He ain't a second round pick

He ain't a third round pick

He ain't a fourth round pick

What f***ing round did you go?

Group six

Neff he's the better guy

He's the better guy

Ain't nothing wrong with that

But it's the fact that he's doing it right

Thank you. man he's the better guy he's the better guy ain't nothing wrong with that but it's the fact that he's doing it right how about his glasses too just accountability in there and he you know he played for a long time so he's like i'm doing everything i can not to put this rookie in here but he's outplaying all of you in this moment rod would obviously go on to make some big plays for the detroit lions over the last couple years but that was like his first time me my first time seeing him coach yeah and it's like i love what he's about and if you don't know him and then gets play alongs i think anybody that played with him would say want this guy in your building yeah i think he's gonna do great and i think he's gonna be aggressive just like aaron glenn was i think he's very lucky and thankful that he got to coach under aaron glenn yeah and in aaron glenn system former player that becomes a defensive coach, but he's going to be aggressive, just like Aaron Glenn was.
I think he's very lucky and thankful that he got to coach under Aaron Glenn and in Aaron Glenn's system, former player that becomes a defensive coach, but he's going to be aggressive and I think he's got all the keys up there to run that shit back in Detroit. Yeah, I think so.
I'm glad he stayed there and they have a culture there that he's building and hopefully we see him one day be a head coach. But yeah, just that right there, it's a little glimpse inside the meat room and just being real.
A lot of coaching is communicating and teaching. And a lot of former players, the Bears are doing it now with their staff.
The Lions have obviously done it with MCDC. But being able to communicate with those guys, get that message across.
Because, you know, if a guy comes in as a six-round pick, he's a rookie, he's not expected to play. AJ gets drafted top five.
He's expected to come in and take somebody's job immediately. But that guy, he's not expected to play, so he's just communicating that in that meeting room, so that was awesome to see.
AJ, how do you feel about former players getting more opportunities here? I love it. Now, granted, Kelvin hasn't just, he's earned this.
He didn't just get dropped into this. He's earned this through, you know, linebacker coach, and I think he was a GA in some other places.
He has earned his way through this thing. What was that sound there? You hear that? You didn't hear that? Was that the commercial song for a second? No, it was like an email.
It sounded like an email, a little bloop in my right ear there. Interesting.
I hope nothing's breaking in my head. No, I heard something for a split second, but I thought it was more so the same.
I only heard it in one ear, so it was probably our intercom thing. Okay, yeah, I heard it in my right ear, which is backroom.
Happy I'm not losing my mind there. But Calvin Shepard, former player, get another opportunity.
He's going to be the DC for the Detroit Lions. I think that's beautiful for them.
And also, he's been in the system. So not a big change up there, AJ.
How big of a deal is that for the Lions? I think it's huge to keep the continuity. And I think, Shepard, it's awesome watching that clip with Rodriguez.
A guy like that that comes in there and is laying the wood, as they say early on in camp, that can elevate the rest of the room. If there's a couple of guys in there that might be a little bit comfortable and think that they have a spot, a guy like that can come wake a room up.
I think it's cool to see Shepard let everybody else know, hey, you're on notice, bud. Everyone's job is up for grabs.
Ben Johnson has hired his DC. Dennis Allen, which was alleged immediately upon him getting hired in Chicago, which is why all of Detroit got pissed off at him.
This guy loses in the first game of the playoffs, and he's already put his staff together, and he goes into division. Okay.
Okay, that's really cute.

Dennis Allen and he were together down in New Orleans.

Dennis Allen, interim head coach, then head coach for the Saints.

Great defensive mind.

Everybody assumes that he's going to do a fantastic job in Chicago.

Congrats to them. And then Declan.

Declan.

Declan Doyle, 28-year-old, hired as the offensive coordinator

for the Chicago Bears.

Obviously, we all assume Ben Johnson will be calling the plays and doing it all, but Declan Doyle gets an opportunity. How do you feel about these hirings here? A.J., is Richard Hightower also back as special teams coordinator? Yeah, I mean, Dennis Allen, I think he is very, very highly respected when it comes to players that have played for him, especially as a defensive coordinator.
So I think this makes sense. And Declan Doyle, another hire that I don't know a whole lot about, but I'm excited for him.
And I can pronounce the word, the name Declan too. So that is another thing I guess I can cross off the list.
Shefty called him Dickland. That's his words, not ours.
We don't think that is true. How about Pete Carroll out there in Las Vegas? Obviously a lot of decisions are going to have to get made.
We learned on the internet that Pete Carroll has three team rules. And I'll tell you, fantastic stuff here.
This was put out on the internet. We learned Harbaugh's life rules from McCarty gave the Schefter.
Here's Pete's. Protect the team.
Be mindful of your teammates on and off the field. If you see them on the verge of making a mistake or doing something that's going to get them in trouble, the onus is you to step in and correct the situation no whining no complaining no excuses if it's raining carol

doesn't want to hear your gripes and then be early that sounds simple but it's a sign of respect

your time is not more important than the greater group those are three easy rules three good life

rules i think the raiders are in good spot that's why p carol was brought in there to kind of change the culture. We'll continue on YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+, and TikTok Live.
We'll see you tomorrow. That came up quickly.
A lot of words per minute there. That came up very quickly there.
Did not expect that. But Pete Carroll's three rules.
I love it. Good life mottos, too.
Now, it's hard to be early for everything, especially outside of the football world. I'm going to be honest.
I was never late for a single football meeting ever. I was normally early because Rich Rodriguez had the whole, you know, like 10 minute window where he could walk in like he was stone cold Steve Austin with a glass breaking and the meeting starts at four, but actually it starts at like three 50.
So you need to be in there about three 49. Cause even though it starts at four, he could walk in there 353, 354, could walk in at four.
Whatever the case is, you need to be ready. So that kind of got drummed in there.
And then in the NFL, obviously they fine you. I didn't want to lose any money, but also I'm the punter.
Why am I showing up late to anything? I didn't. In life, it's going to be hard to get me on time for some shit.
You know, I don't have as high of an urgency for some things. Standard, sure.
Also, you can utilize it as leverage, too, in certain situations. That's either here nor there.
But, yes, I love these life lessons here from Pete Carroll. Easy to see why he's won basically everywhere, D-Butt.
Yeah, I love number one, protecting the team. We always talk about being accountable and obviously making right decisions for yourself, but I like that.
Definitely had some situations where in college or maybe even young as a pro where you see one of your boys about to do something wrong or maybe you're about to do something wrong and somebody steps in, hey, let's be smart here. Because when you are in that situation, when you do have that Raider logo on, when you're in that locker room, like something happens wherever you're at, you're going to be the headline of whatever situation happens.
So just got to be smart and take care of yourself, take care of the team. It's a lot easier to just say nothing.
A lot easier to just say nothing, especially in like friend groups. As somebody who has been put in the position to maybe say the things that everybody wants to say, it's fun you know I've lost obviously friends because I'm the one who says okay this is how everybody's feeling and I'm the fucking bad guy I guess but I'm not living in the town so I guess it's just easiest to put the onus on me or in a meeting room hey somebody needs to say this well why don't you say you're a talker it's like okay I'm the youngest guy here why wouldn't i do that well that's why because they're gonna fire me because i'm old it's like you're a hall of famer yeah but that's not somebody has to say it cool i'll say it i'm the fucking asshole you you feel like an asshole whenever you're the one delivering news but also you're you're potentially helping the out of whoever is receiving the information and although they won't say it in the moment or in the time that message will help them going forward i like that p carroll says hey it is on you to be the friend that is the asshole to tell somebody to stop acting wrong because uh i think that puts an expectation on others too that if somebody comes up and says something it's coming from a place of care as opposed to being a hater as some people say i think he's creating a good culture immediately and i think those three things being laid out as soon as you walk in it's like hey here's the expectations of this team you either get in or you get the fuck out that's exactly what harbaugh did in los angeles with the chargers his messages are all over the place in the locker room outside the cafeteria obviously on those cards that he hands out to everybody it's like like, hey, here's the expectation.
So whenever you hear coaches say, nobody's going to be on time all the time, it's like, all right, well, not now, I guess, because you said that. That's the expectation is that they're not supposed to be there.
If the expectation is you're on time, you care about the team, and don't embarrass the program, maybe there is a little bit heightened level to living up to to that standard and that's why i appreciate the p carroll hire even though his ass is old over there oldest head coach ever in the history of the nfl yeah it also makes a lot of sense that if brady was spearheading it which it sounds like he was like if he were to hear this from p carroll i assume those are very similar to what tom brady's three rules would be you know those are kind of exactly what was all about. And the be early thing, that does seem like a very simple way.
Maybe every NFL team should have a be early rule. That might help everyone out.
Yeah, be early. I thought that was.
Just be on time. Be on time.
Be sitting there ready to go. If it starts at four, you need to be sitting and ready.
You don't have to be there nine minutes early, but be there on time.

Agreed.

And it's like, I thought that was just.

Standard.

Yep.

Legit.

Yes.

People scared me.

I assumed, right?

Yeah.

I don't know what you're, you and D, but I'm sure, I would assume you have similar feelings.

Like my biggest fear was walking into a meeting late ever.

Oh, yeah.

I don't know my biggest, but that was always on my mind.

Like, there's no way I'm going to be late. Yeah.
like yeah let's not any position any spot yeah number five overall pick though you could have a little different mindset he doesn't which is why you couldn't you couldn't with any like i never had any coaches that were cool with that ever in my life never like that's the thing like They don't do anything. That was crazy.
It's like, what? So when did this happen? When did it just not become a thing anymore that people don't give a fuck about being on time? And then now the Colts, and it's not just the Colts and the Dolphins. We're hearing it from a lot of places.
Yeah. Right? Obviously, those teams aren't playing.
But we're hearing it from a lot of places. I'm not going to say this generation, because it's not this generation's people that are allowing it to happen i think at blame for this entire thing it's like how how how have we got uh you're a professional athlete brother you paid a lot of money literally one of your only jobs is to fucking show up literally that is that's what you're getting paid you're not getting paid for sunday you're getting paid for all the other shit and And it's like, if you don't want to be a part of a team, then don't be.
It's a respect thing. It's a respect thing.
Like, if you respect your coach, like, if you respect your special teams coach, you're not going to walk in a minute late for a special teams meeting, especially you're not going to consistently do it over and over again. Owner, teammates, like, all those people.
If you respect them. The teammates, too.
Even if you don't respect the owner, who gives a fuck? A lot of times people don't like the owner. Owner, front office, who cares? It's about like teammates, coaches.
Also, don't give them any extra reason to get rid of you. Why would you do that? That just puts you on the radar of like, hey, can I count on this dude? The fear of of being cut I don't think exists anymore because by a lot of people.
Now, granted, I assume Bond was scared to death he was going to get cut whenever he was a special teamer, and he was scared to death. And the great players are scared to death that they're going to lose their job at any moment.
Vinny. Vinny thought he was getting fired every day.
Thought he missed a kick in practice he was going to get fired. It's like you don't live in but i appreciate that like i really do appreciate that there isn't enough fear because and i don't want to be the old man screaming in the cloud but like if something doesn't go your way you hop in the transfer portal then you're potentially getting paid more somewhere else and it's like you just got rewarded for being like so what there's no it's like you're lucky to have me as opposed to i'm lucky as fuck to be here.
But the people that have that mindset end up being the greats. Never forget it in the end.
Let's get to a break. On the other side, we'll wrap up all the storylines from the weekend.
Great Saturday Night Main Event. Did you watch that? I saw a good chunk of it.
Yeah, it's great to see Shawn Michaels back in action, dude. That guy, that's my childhood right there, man.
How about him hitting, he hit both of his knees before he did it. All right, let's see if we still got it here.
His stage presence is off the charts, like how he handles himself. Yeah, from growing up, I have great memories of him.
Running NXT now, obviously. So everybody in NXT is watching him do his promo, switching everything so it's a little different world now oh is that right KO huh you want to break my neck he's trying to put him into a pile driver sweating through he's warm bang right on the button sleep now I did see some people comment about how you know super kicks have maybe been tossed into matches at a rapid rate these days there's actually something called a super kick party i think people are doing there's a little difference between super kick and switching music brother bingo and when that thing's coming off that san antonio boot in san antonio it's a little different power coming in there from Shawn Michaels.
What a moment. How about Rhea Ripley picking up nine? That's incredible.
Multiple times. Gunther, I don't know how you beat that guy.
I'm tired of that guy winning. What? I'm tired of it.
What do you mean? We're tired of him winning. Respect greatness, brother.
Gunther is the Chiefs, brother. I'm tired of him.
You think you got him? You might have hit four different finishers on him. Oh, yeah.
And then what? He still got it. Sorry.
Boom. Still bringing it.
Boom. Boom.
Boom. That's Gunther football.
Mm-hmm. I'm tired of him.
You're not the only one, brother. There's a lot of people sick of being a champion.

And Gunther doesn't care.

Gunther says, well, somebody beat me then.

But with an accent of a guy who's from Austria.

You see him walk, though.

And it's like, holy fuck.

Talk about aura.

Yeah, real aura.

Jay now, aura coming into a building.

Unbelievable, yeah.

I didn't get to see Michael Cole.

I didn't know he was eating behind me.

I was going this way.

I didn't see him.

Did you guys see him?

Yeah, he was eating all over your back.

Yeah.

Was he on?

I think he was on beat.

He thought he was.

Yeah, he was.

Ish.

I think he was.

Definitely.

He killed him.

It's better.

No doubt about that.

Not premature.

You eating? Yeah, no pre-eat. Eutilation.
All right, let's get to a break. Wrap up all the storylines, and then I'm heading down to beautiful Atlanta, Georgia again.
Hell yeah. Nice.
Monday Night Raw at Netflix. State Farm.
State Farm Arena, I believe. Tonight's going to be a big one.

Tonight's going to be a big one.

I can sense it.

Massive matches announced yesterday by Adam Pearce.

Walking his dog.

Announcing matches.

Good for him.

Nick Aldis kind of looked like a stooge there.

Jacob Fatu.

Holy shit.

Oh, my God.

Hey.

Post to post. On NBC.
Coast to coast. Yo.
Fatu. Hey.
Post to post. On NBC coast to coast.
Far too. Hey.
He's a problem. Who's going to stop him? Nobody.
There's one I can think of. I do have to acknowledge.
You're talking about our travel chief?

Oh, yeah.

He's just even acknowledging.

Oh, yeah.

That's when you know.

I'll tell you what, though.

Fatou hit four moonsaults, springboard moonsaults. Yeah.

On Braun Strowman.

About 30 dump trucks on his head.

So much blood.

Braun's bleeding all over the place.

That Fatou walking promo beforehand and then coming out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah sheamus on the side yeah i fucking almost holy because i i see brunt so i'm watching sheamus

sheamus is like translucent we talked about being transparent earlier he's translucent coming this way and i'm like oh is he setting up to do a brogue off of the stairs so i'm like looking this way naturally and then i just see a fucking pink thing yeah come into my vision this way and i'm Missile. Boom! What's Jungle Cat? He's literally like a fucking jungle cat.

Oh. Oh.
Collapse lung. thing come into my vision this way, and I'm like, Boom! Look, Jungle Cat!

He's literally like a fucking Jungle Cat.

Collapsed lung right there.

So much.

That affected him later.

He probably has a broken rib.

Now, Jesse the Body said,

Hey, count it to three.

Count it to three.

The governor was awesome.

The governor was unbelievable. I had a chance to talk to him for the show what again you know he lived he lived off off the grid in the Baja Mexico right no like 15 years what 15 years off but now he's back I don't know he's back okay and a half oh yeah he only comes back for Saturday night main event legit my I don't know I don't know what the schedule, though.
Decade and a half? Oh, yeah. He only comes back for Saturday Night Main Event.

Legit, I don't know.

I don't know what the schedule is.

If that's the case, it's great to talk to him.

I get a chance to catch up,

and I don't know how many people he's talking to on a day-to-day.

I am very lucky I get to talk to him.

He was talking about cars.

He loves fast cars.

Loves fast cars.

That's the body, baby.

Loves.

Zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds. Guy's awesome.
He's Tesla. He's got a Tesla.
He used to have a Porsche. He's off the grid, though.
Driving a Tesla. It is tough to live with.
I said to him, I said, hey, are they tracking you through the Tesla or whatever? I don't care. What do you? He's awesome, man.
Got to see a lot of people behind us. Anytime you go to one of those WWE events, you never know.
Million Dollar Man was there. Mark Henry was there.
Great to see him. Oh, wow.
Steve Levy was there with his kids. Saw that.
Kid's 12th birthday, I do believe. So made the trip for the birthday.
Great to see Steve. Add compliments to say about all the boys.
Steve Levy, ESPN guy who likes us. That's cool.
Hell yeah. Like one of the pillars of ESPN who's, I don't think he's ever openly hated on us.
No, no, no. It's like a blue moon.
It hit more, even more rare than a blue moon because I feel like we're seeing blue moons all the fucking time. Decent amount.
True. Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Right, we saw like last year. Yeah, we saw a few of them.
Super orange moon or whatever the hell it was. Blood moon.
Yeah, that one. Yeah, Levy's never hated on us no he's a great guy love leaves yeah very appreciative of leaving owned a great bar in boston always good vibes underage here's the first person we saw when we walked in right dumps literally first person we saw was levy i've been a lot of states lately all right you're not from this one made the trip for a boy's birthday.
And I look down. What's up, bud? Little Levy.
Moxie through the roof. Yeah.
Dap up. Happy birthday.
As you'd expect. It was good to see him.
San Antonio. What a place.
16,406 people in there. Cannot say enough about the driver.
Hector. Unbelievable.
That's a good call. Yeah.
Hector's a Steelers fan. Diehard Steelers fan.
Duh. He's driven me slash us before down in San Antonio.
Best driver we've ever had. Ever.
No questions asked. Including Johnny Violence.
Wow. Not including Ruby, though.
Yeah, true. Okay including Ruby.
It falls in between. Yeah, Ruby drifted a fucking sprinter van.
She killed it. Honestly, unbelievable not to panic in that situation by her.
That was a beautiful drive. Ruby, absolute beast.
Johnny Violence, he can't see the field well. He's hit or miss.
He can't see the field well. He almost took me out.
He did in LA. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, but he'll also, two lanes at a red light. Okay.
Slowest route. No, not only that.
Two lanes at a red light. Five cars deep on the left lane.
No cars in the right lane. He'll be the sixth car in this one.
It's like, yo, do you see the fucking hole right there? Nothing worse. Do you see that? He goes, what? We're turning left.
I'm like, in three blocks we are. We could fucking get in front of all these people.
Slither behind a city bus. Yeah.
Park it. Yep.
Yeah. But he gets us there.
He does. He does.
Close. Close.
Yeah. Johnny Violent's work ethic makes up for everything else that he does.
He's driving. Certainly something that I go, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You know, I do the check of the mirrors, too, as we're driving. I'm like, is there fucking somebody? No, there isn't.
So, why don't we, you know? Same vision as Trent Richardson. Somewhere.
Trent did not deserve that. Trent's been through enough.
I am looking for Saquon Vision, though, out of my drivers. Hector's got it.
Hector's phenomenal. No questions asked either.
We're not talking. Fucking, we're in there.
We're out of there. We're driving.
Well, it's hard for the WWE events because there's traffic. And then also, you got to get to a back.
He was hitting back roads, too. We were out there.
Three neighborhoods.

I mean, just rolling through neighborhoods.

That's Hector football.

Hector's a beast.

Hector, you do your job very well, and I appreciate you.

A lot.

A lot, a lot.

Had some things to say about the Steelers.

I'm sure we're on the same page.

You are, actually.

I think you two are saying the same exact message.

A lot of us are simpatico in that situation.

Which is?

What are we doing?

That's kind of what he said, yeah.

Isn't there a big change coming at 2 o'clock?

I believe the ownership

was speaking at 2 o'clock.

So I don't know.

Oh yeah, we got a heads up

from Kabul

that there's a Rooney

speaking at 2 o'clock.

Okay.

Alright, we'll check that

and we'll wrap up

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Football is certainly the sport that we love talking about. That's A.J.
Hawk. Wasn't on the back wall there.
Was worried he wasn't here. The Toxic Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt.
One half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Tone is here.
Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here.
Big news happening in college ball. A little bit of drama.
The Ohio State Buckeyes celebrated another national championship this weekend. Congratulations, A.J.
They did at the horseshoe, which was fantastic. I saw Ryan Day was there.
I saw Jack Sawyer cut a little joke. He said, i'm coming back for my fifth year guys yeah joking coach day coach johnson actually said get the hell out of here you need to go to the nfl that was magical they got a chance to you know um celebrate the hard work that was done all season but most more specifically during the playoff run where they were the most dominating football team on the field every time they stepped on.

One person was missing, though.

I don't know if you saw this.

Bobby?

Bobby Carpenter was there, definitely.

I didn't see him in the video.

I assume the general Bobby Carpenter was.

Yes.

He actually built the stage, was under the stage,

and holding up the microphone for the guys at times.

Chip Kelly?

Chip Kelly was there, obviously.

Will Howard also there celebrating what they accomplished. Ryan Day even cracked a joke.
Will Howard was able to run a little bit, but got tackled by the 20-yard line more than anybody in the history of the playoffs. A good line.
Good bar. I like that relationship between the two of them.
Defense coordinator who had a pretty important role in this entire team. Jim Knowles, not there.
What? Yeah. What's that about? He was actually told not to go, allegedly, if you listen to some reports, as he tried to figure out what he was going to do next season.
Well, we have learned that he's going to be Penn State's defensive coordinator. And that announcement came on the same exact day as the celebration for the national championship of Big Ten rival Ohio State Buckeye.
There was a thought that maybe he would go back to the state of Oklahoma where his family resides or his wife's family resides. Instead, he's going to Happy Valley to become Penn State's defensive coordinator at $3.1 million a year.
AJ, what the hell is going on? I heard Ohio State Buckeye fans pissed about this situation. They said, oh, he skipped the celebration.
Then he goes to Penn State to hell with this guy. Then a report comes out.
He was actually asked not to come to the celebration as he was trying to weigh his options for what the future was. AJ, what are your thoughts on this all, and how does it end up working out? Do people pay respects to this guy inevitably, eventually? I mean, I think time will tell.
But, yeah, I think right now people, I but this is where we are right this is where we are in sports i mean i guess penn state wants to throw throw you 3.1 million a year at you and i don't know if how like i wonder how long he's been playing on leaving or if this kind of came about very quickly throughout the playoffs or right after the championship like how that works out but yeah i did, yeah, I did not expect this to happen. We were just talking.
Tone said we watched Jim Knowles stalk the field pregame as he was just so cool and calm and collected, just walking around not talking to anybody. So definitely a bit surprising, I guess, what he is from, the state of Pennsylvania.
So maybe that has something to do with it. But now he gets to come and he gets to come play Ohio State again as the d coordinator penn state the rumor was that he uh told ohio state what it was and the offer was well below the 3.1 million and once again penn state all in on sports penn state with this new nil and the ability to utilize their alumni and how wealthy and successful their alumni is they have certainly done that pat craft the athletic director has shaken every hand he has built every single thing and model that you could possibly have to have a successful uh sports program in the modern era that it is them paying them 3.1 million is obviously awesome for knolls but it happening on the same day as the celebration is seemingly what really pissed everybody off is that is that right i i guess yeah that he wasn't there he didn't get – yeah, and now coming out on why he wasn't there, I guess, if they're saying that the school asked him not to come if he hadn't signed his deal.
That's what's weird, I think. But I don't know.
I guess maybe people were just caught off guard. I don't know if there's any rumors of something like this happening before the championship game.
I never heard anything of it. It was all new to me.
We definitely talked about him potentially going to Oklahoma. You and I both.
You were here. I guess the timing, yeah, it is weird that it was like the night before and the day of the celebration.
That's probably the timing, I think, is what took a lot of people, kind of caught him off guard. And him staying in the Big Ten, I guess, going to Penn State instead of going to, like, Oklahoma.
Because I think the narrative was his wife's family is back in Oklahoma, and obviously Ohio, Oklahoma, very far apart. So I think they were trying, in my eyes, they were trying to set the table almost for him to go back to, like, why would you leave if you weren't going to be a head coach? If you're just going to be a D coordinator, why would you do that? They were trying to be like, well, you know, family and missing and everything like that.
He wants to get back there. So for them, for it to be to Penn state and then in the same,

even further from Oklahoma and for the money, it's like,

I could see Ohio state people,

how people would react the way that they would react.

But once again,

Penn state is not scared to make any offer to make anything happen for them

to win a national championship.

They see Michigan do it.

They now see Ohio state do it. They've been out of the conversation.
Pat Craft said, we're getting back into the convo. Yeah, I mean, two years ago, Michigan wins the national championship.
They brought basically everyone back to do it. Then 18 guys get drafted.
Ohio State basically did. They brought everyone back.
They're going to have a ton of guys drafted. Now Penn State, majority of their team is coming back and they make this huge move for Jim Knowles.
Ohio State made a huge move for Jim Knowles a few years ago when their defense wasn't good. He had Oklahoma State as a top 10 defense before he came to Ohio State.
The last two years he had the number one and number two defense at Ohio State. Penn State already has a ton of guys on that side.
Tom Allen left to go to down to Clemson. So like yeah this is a this is huge for those schools.
I think the rumblings around Penn State were that Dan Orr was a pretty big part of that Penn State defense as well, former player over there. Whenever Tom Allen got moved up to the booth, there was a thought that Dan Orr was potentially doing a little bit more hands-on.
I wonder what he'll be, if he'll still be, with Knowles over there. But this is becoming a trend now.
People are getting pissed at their coaches for leaving and going to other places, D. Butch.
Yeah, I mean, I love it. It's the business of sports.
But did you say Ohio State didn't match what Penn State was willing to give them? That's what the report was. That wasn't close.
We don't know. It was well under.
Surprising. Yeah, because Ohio State has.
They would think. I mean, maybe not like Penn State.
Brett McMurphy, guy in college football, knows a lot of sources. Been around a long time.
Ohio State D.C. Jim Knowles was asked by school not to attend Buckeyes National Title Celebration while he deliberated his option, source said.
Knowles' representation tried to reach deal with OSU Week before title game and immediately after, but eventual offer was well below the competition, source said signed a three-year 9.3 million dollar deal with penn state on sunday well below sources say well who would the source be well he references no's his representation a couple different times in there we can assume that insiders get information from agents not saying that's necessarily who it is but yes well below was certainly what was said i thought ohio state could match anybody for anything i would have thought so as well so i mean can't blame jim knows you know especially you know coaches at his age you got to take that money and penn state you talked about the talent over there i would expect the ohio state pipeline to be better i feel like it's almost like a step back in a in a way but i mean you can't turn down three mil a year yeah and in the end like of course it definitely is massive but like ohio state's still got caleb downs their corner just announced to uh i forget i know there it is that sunny styles come on he's coming back he wants to be a first round lathan like no he's going to the league yeah i think he has to he to. Jack's up.
JTT's up. Latham's up.
Cody Simon's up in the backer. How about Ty Leak? He's gone.
Yeah, he's gone. Losing a lot of guys, but still got that.
Who's DC? Who's going to be DC? AJ General? I don't know. That's a great question.
I don't know if Bobby goes from the street to defensive coordinator for the Bucs. But, yeah, I don't know.
Who was even rumored to be out there? Who are they even talking to? I'm not sure what the names are, but, like, they had to pay Chip pretty good money. Yeah.
Right? I'm sure they could pay any number. What do you mean? I'm sure they could match if they wanted to.
I don't know what the reason is, but there's a reason they didn't step up and match, I guess, with Penn State off. The rumbling, and a lot of people were looking into the tea leaves because Ryan Day said, like, one of the greatest young minds in football will leave the safeties coach for Ohio State, Matt Grary, or something like that.
There's a lot of steam on the Ohio State Twitterverse about him, but, yeah, I mean, who knows? Yeah, there's always – they'll get a good hire. No doubt.
Ryan Day will hire a great defense coordinator. That defense was so good.
Dominant. So good.
We watched it the year prior with Jesse Minter and the defense that they had in Michigan, and then watching this Ohio State defense, very similar in a lot of ways with how disciplined they were, how well they tackled. So, yeah, you can't overlook how important that coach and hire is.
You can have talent, but until you bring the right coach and cultivate, have everybody on the same page, playing from 1 to 11, that's a big, big deal. I've tried to say this on game day a lot, and I think because I'm a doofus, it doesn't get really appreciated much.
Penn State's all in. Penn State is all the fuck in.
We watched them implode the whole half of the stadium off the day they got done playing. That's $700 million they're putting into that.
Just able to find that like this. That's just for a stadium.
Little one for all the players. There's alleged stories coming out of signing days happening.
And people saying, if somebody comes back and says they need an extra $100,000, we got $150,000 extra if they need it. Whatever they need, we got.
It's like Penn State's alumni, all in. Penn State's athletic department, all in.
Penn State as a whole in sports, all in. And I think this is another this is another message like hey we're fucking for real here like this is not a uh we're not just trying we are going to win a national championship here whether you basketball team i think is balling right now i think if they were at least they sent me big time you never know they might make the tournament that'd be that be huge for them.
But they hadn't been in a long time. Like, they're going all in and all these, like, Penn State wants to be, like, dominate sports.
And their new AD, Pat Craft, former linebacker at Indiana. They're talking like Meathead, but one of those genius Meatheads.
It's like, yeah, our sports are going to be good. And he's also an incredible rounder-up of stuff.
It's like, this is a big move by Penn State, stealing Jim Knowles from Ohio State. That is.
How many years does James Franklin have left on his current deal? Do they have to re-up him? They just did it this year. Two years ago or last year? How long has he been there? I mean, is this more pressure on him? Does he have to win a national title in the next couple years? Is this a Ryan Day hiring Chip Kelly situation? 2031 he's there too.
But, once again, they don't give a fuck over there. Now, they do.
I think they like James Franklin. That is not me saying that.
I'm just saying, if it doesn't work out, they're not scared to pay the buyout or whatever it is. Like they money is not an op, a tough thing to find in the Penn State alumni streets for one reason or another.
I have no, I did not know that either. I didn't, but I guess if every person I met from Penn State pretty well off.
Yeah. Massive school too.
So many people go there. Yeah, but they're all pretty.
That's what I mean. Like the amount of people who go on to do great things.

Because if you've got 100 people that give 100,000 bucks,

that's, you're in a good spot.

We went to that bookstore when we were there.

It was the most absurd thing I've ever seen.

Yeah, I mean, they have the most CEOs in the country, right?

That was their, we have the most CEOs in the country.

Starbucks CEO made 96 million bucks.

Yeah.

Did you see that?

In like four months. I didn't know that.
That was off of stock and other shit. Yeah.
100 times 100,000 is what? 10 million. They could just find that, I think, anytime they need it.
James Franklin's buyout is $56 million this year. But if they wanted to do that, they could do it.
That's how Penn State is operating. Money is not a problem here for anybody.
I mean, he needs to win. If they're going to invest that much money into the program and everything like that, and you see all these other schools in the Big Ten winning national championships, and they're positioning themselves like, hey, we need to go in.
You can't. He needs to win.
Otherwise, they will fucking find someone else. I think he's thankful he's thankful that they're in a position where they're all in.
Invested. Stay on the defense coordinator front.
Bob Sala back with the Niners officially. Hopefully he'll find his joy again.
He will. Yeah, definitely will.
Gumpy and I were talking about this on one of the flights. Sala was awesome when he was on the side of the Niners.
Then he goes to the Jets and has to deal with everything that the Jets are and he kind of loses his happiness. He goes to the Packers.
Looks like he probably enjoyed himself. Had a good year.
He goes back to the Niners. I assume first meeting he's going to be like, boys, just like we used to do, same old shit.
We are going to get it. And congrats to Kyle Shanahan getting Salah back.
Congrats to the Niners getting him back. Disappointing year for the Niners this year, AJ.
Very disappointing. I mean, super, like a weirdly disappointing season that I did not see coming.
That is for sure. Like, I know they dealt with plenty of injuries and everything, but it just shows you, I guess, how tough it is to consistently win football games in the NFL.
Shanahan, I mean, bringing Sala back, you're right, though. And when you say hopefully he can find his joy again, that's like a real thing.
Like when these guys, it felt like the weight of the world was on him when he's coaching the Jets and everything that he has to deal with. Yeah, just get back to coaching ball and doing what you love, and we'll see if he gets in the head coaching cycle eventually.
Do you win because you're happy or you're happy because you win? You know, I think it's the first one more so than anything. But, boy, if you lose, it's hard to be happy.
Oh, yeah. You know they brought him to be their special team coordinator? Who? Brent Boyer.
Yeah, they did. Wow.
San Fran? San Fran. Holy shit.
Our guy. This guy's a beast.
He was at the Jets. And I think even the Jets fans would say there was a lot that went wrong with our team.
Our special teams was great. Blocking kicks, taking kicks to the house, throwbacks, you name it boyer's a dog he played in the nfl uh 13 years as a teamer i believe back whenever it was cte era he's wedge buster this guy as a teamer absolute beast stud great coach players love him because he was a player and he has that uh mentality but he's obviously good at his gig so you got shanahan sala and boyer that's a great that is a great setup for the niners to bounce back christian mccaffrey just gonna be okay oh we'll see kelly's tendonitis is just gonna be all right keep their roster together too can they keep everybody or are they gonna lose anybody big that's the con convo with Purdy now.
If they pay him normally that first

year, right? Because you can front load it

and have so many signing bonuses.

The first year might not be affected this

upcoming year, but it's the years after.

Let's stay in the NFC West. The Seahawks

have hired Clint Kubiak of the Kubiak

family regime to be the new

offense coordinator.

Jeremy Grubb, who was with the Washington

Huskies, was with McDonald

in his first year with the Seahawks

as offense coordinator. He Grubb, who was with the Washington Huskies, was with McDonald in his first year with the Seahawks as offense coordinator.
He ends up not being the guy that they want long-term. He is not with the Alabama Crimson Tide yet with Kalen DeBoer.
We'll wait on that. We assume that's going to take place.
Now, Clint Kubiak in for the Seattle Seahawks. What's Kubiak offense? That's Denver right back in the day.
Is that where it came from? Denver, Texas. People love Gary.
People love Gary. And they started off so hot in New Orleans this year.
With Derek Carr, you thought, oh, Kubiak, Carr. He's got Carr back playing at an MVP Pro Bowl level and things just kind of fell off.
But, you know, got to see him get a new start somewhere. Happy him and then let's go to basketball just like we fucking said tyrese halliburg on saturday in paris beats don wendy in his home country wow he won halla bonkers he won halla bananas yes he did in the third quarter did his thing and that was the best costume that he's worn to a game yet.
It was, he had a black trench coat thing on with a little black underneath with a couple other little touchy-touchy, how you doing things here. I think that was his best game costume that he's had all year.
Knew he's going to have a big one, and he got the job done, and I appreciate him for that. Yeah, that was awesome.
I saw a lot of people saying the Pacers are frontrunners for worst-dressed team in the NBA. Yeah, I saw a lot of the others walking in.
I saw Miles Turner going shirtless with a sport coat that was kind of sideways on. They were in France.
They had to do big-time fashion stuff. I think it was Fashion Week, too, over there, maybe.
Every week's Fashion Week. This is his best costume yet, by far.
No questions asked. That is cool.
Yeah, that was before the win. That wasn't before the loss.
But I appreciate him representing America. Did you see the big Pumas he was wearing too with the American flag on the back of it? Oh, yeah.
With the gold? I would buy those. I don't know where those are available, but I would buy those particular shoes.
So shout out to the Pacers getting a win for America over there in France. Because if they got boat raced twice in front of the French people by a Frenchie, that'd be tough for the NBA.
They said ratings were bad. Imagine them losing to France twice publicly like that.
He did that for all of the NBA. He did that for all of USA.
Shout out to Tyrese Halliburton going, how the bonkers. You could kind of tell he was going to go off too.
Before the game, someone from the Spurs, can't remember his name, and then Pascal Siakam for the Pacers both addressed the crowd in French and it was awesome. I had no idea what they were saying, but it seemed awesome.
And Halliburton was loving it. He had a big grin on his face after it.
You knew he was going to go off. Yeah, I think he even said, bonjour, ça va, ça va, shite, because what I'm going to do, I think, is what Halliburton said, and that's good.
And obviously, it's a massive week here in Indianapolis. The Royal Rumble is at Lucas Oil Stadium this Saturday.

Friday night Smackdown here in Indianapolis.

And then we have a kickoff show before Smackdown on Friday.

This is a great day to be here.

It's a great week to be here.

Awesome.

And we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.

We'll be back tomorrow with a big one.

Tomorrow's going to be a good show.

Huge.

Huge.

Everybody's dealing with a little cold right now, AJ. I don't know if you heard it around the building here in Thunder.
I hear some coughing, you know, off mic every once in a while. Sniffling, coughing.
You know, it's that time of year. We don't have a Super Bowl week.
We're thinking it's all going to be out by Super Bowl week, which is good. Because the last two Super Bowl weeks, I've had to battle through it.
Yeah, last year was tough. Yeah, so me getting it last week into the weekend was good for me, even though it sucked Saturday Night Main Event.

I had no voice at the end of that thing.

Battled through, though.

Powered through.

Dude, there's nothing like being scared to talk

because you have no idea if your voice is going to be there.

Like, should I say something right now?

I have no idea because this could be really, really bad.

Have to drop into, you know, a couple different places of the octaves.

You know, kind of, there's a sneeze right there.

All right, we're going to get out of here. We'll be back tomorrow.
We appreciate you all so much. We're going to get healthy.
We're going to get stronger. We're going to get better.
Because we know this is the greatest time of year. There's only one football game left.
Damn it. Damn it.
Well, not a good thing, but at least there's one. It's's the big one we have two weeks to chat about it we have the pro bowl games obviously happening thursday and sunday on espn we have the royal rumble on saturday in this city 60 000 plus are gonna watch the most exciting event of the year where nostalgia and today meet for a magical moment every single time and then we're back tomorrow tomorrow with a big old guest on the show.
Hell yeah. Tomorrow's show's big.
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