PMS 2.0 1281 - National Championship Recap, Kirk Herbstreit, Ohio State QB Will Howard, "The General" Bobby Carpenter, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

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Football! It is wonderful and we got a chance to enjoy the hell out of a new national champion being crowned last night in Atlanta, Georgia. This college football season was absolutely magical.
I was so lucky to be a tiny little part of it with college game day each and every Saturday then the field passes as well throughout the college football playoff and then obviously talking about it on this program every single week it was a journey I think that we all had no idea about we thought potentially the downfall of college football was coming with NIL and transfer port are we going to lose everything that we loved about college ball are the passion and the pageantry going to disappear in favor of selfishness and disloyalty and money over anything else is there going to be a time now where no players will ever face adversity so nobody will ever have enough mental toughness to be a great football player is college football football going to be ruined because of the current state? That was the question marks going in to this particular season. And now here we sit after crowning the Ohio State Buckeyes the national champions last night.
And I think we'd all say that was the greatest fucking year of college ball that we've ever followed along with. Certainly in the last recent history.
But also ratings through the roof. The game last night was a blowout early.
And then just like most college football games, a couple mistakes were made. The other team came climbing back in.
Their fan base rose to their feet in the crowd. Holy shit, we watched big momentum go from one side to the other side of the stadium in the fourth quarter.
And it's like Riley Leonard hasn't been able to complete a pass. But then he's able to drop dimes to Great House multiple times to get them back in this thing to become a one-score game in the fourth quarter after looking down and out throughout the game.
Riley Leonard's not supposed to make that throw. No, perfect.
Okay? Great House isn't supposed to make that catch. Got draped on top of him.
He makes a one-handed grab. That hadn't been happening a lot for this Notre Dame team, especially last night.
Then it takes place because that is the magic of college football. And the magic ended with Will Howard dropping an absolute dime to Jeremiah Smith on a third and 11 to put the game away.
You know, there was a timeout called before that particular play by Notre Dame who was down to their final timeout and obviously there was enough time on the clock for Riley Leonard to get the ball back potentially if they were to stop them on that third down force a punt waste their final timeout Riley Leonard would have to run a two-minute drill to go down the field and tie the game in the national championship does he do that we don't know we literally have no idea if he would capable of doing that. But what Riley Leonard was showcasing in that comeback was potentially an opportunity to do as such.
But Will Howard, Chip Kelly, Jeremiah Smith, that offensive line who held up remarkably and blocked great last night for a run game that had a guy go over 100, score three touchdowns, and then Jaden Fielding makes an 11-point game with less than 30 seconds left it was wonderful it was beautiful and if you think about the story arc of this ohio state buckeye team you can't help but be pumped up for them and their entire organization the program was questioned the program was being called to be changed that man was basically getting shipped out of town not only by a as he hucked his headset i love that oh yeah i absolutely love that play by ryan day i think him showcasing his emotions a good thing not a bad thing especially because it felt like during his times at ohio state he tried to be the super tough guy maybe publicly so whenever he started showcasing his motion jumping on his players celebrating doing his thing post michigan game you know it felt like we saw the real Ryan Day, and we got a chance to see this real team. And what they have been since that Michigan game, all the way through the playoff, is by far the best team in college ball.
And last night, they got a chance to hoist the trophy. It was a beautiful ending to a great season of college football that we enjoyed the hell out of.
Going all the way back to Dublin Island, The toxic table was here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. Calm, man, it feels like just yesterday we were in Dublin, you know, having a hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop time with Sheamus and McQuaid and all the lads over there.
And then all the winding roads, the different storylines, the different teams that were undefeated. This team's going this conference stinks this conference stinks this conference is best this conference is the best it's just like every week there was something magical and although it feels like yesterday it was the longest season college football has ever had and it was uh it was electrifying from start to finish you could find something every single week that was the best thing that had happened in some time yeah we've come a long way from getting nuked doing the show in dublin that one day and we i think drank 50 to 60 guinnesses a piece and one night was sheamus it was a great time but man it was thanks to sheamus shout out sheamus kicked off that college football season for us yeah they had notre dame winning it and they were in the you know in the final it was a great call by him but no it was great.
I mean, there was that span of four or five weeks where whoever was the one seed was losing. Every single week, it felt like we had a top-ten matchup between two teams.
It was one of those situations where because of the realignment, the new matchups we were getting to see was awesome. Georgia-Texas in October, where I think that was the week after Bama beat Georgia

or whenever it was. But it

was one of those incredible

seasons. You really couldn't have scripted it better.

The 12-team playoff, watching

the home environments for those

playoff games was something as well. You wonder

if anything's going to change with that

too. Well, what did you hear?

I've heard a few things that

maybe there will be changes. From who? You from my sources i'm not we talked to many people powerful people if you will no big we are all of a sudden sitting in rooms where powerful people are jaunting through all of a sudden yeah maybe we had an ear to the wall because we were very close to a few people.
A little cup, if you will. But yeah, people in button downs and nice shoes were telling us some things.
Just real quick though with what you're referring to, there is no way when that decision was made for us to be in that particular room that they had any idea. Massive oversight.
Massive oversight. The most important meeting in college football is happening this thin of a wall on the other side of where we are.
We cannot hear their meeting. Okay, we're not saying we are listening in or eavesdropping.
They can certainly hear us going, right? So we had no idea that meeting was happening until somebody came in and we're like, hey, they got another hour in the session that they're currently in right there. It was like session.
Is this politics or like pretty close? Basically all of college football is in our room. So if you guys can keep it down a little bit, we're like, oh shit.
And then where we were going to get our waters was the same exact place that all these people were. And you know, we've been very lucky.
I've been very lucky to be a part of college game day. The boys have been around obviously.
And everybody's so incredibly kind to me and to us that are in these positions. Not all college football.
You know, there are a lot of people in college football that have said terrible things about me throughout my run here at College Game Day. So anytime I'm at these big college events, I'm always in the back of my head like, ooh, you know.
I know at least three out of 10 of you have said horrendous things about me in my addition to college football. So, you know, I'm always on God.
I'm always on God, but trying to at least meet people,

hear your stories.

So whenever, you know, like commissioners that we've met in our path

are walking directly out of those meetings,

and then I think they get excited to come talk to us as a group,

and we're ready.

I mean, it's first reaction, obviously.

So your sources that you're referring to,

I do think there is going to be some change, but that was always the plan for this college football playoff obviously the first round being what it was 10 points was the closest score yeah that was indiana to notre dame yep indiana's only two losses this year we're against ohio state national champion notre dame national champion runner-up look out for kurt sign the boys down in blue to potentially continue to build on a great program,

which is another story of this college football season.

Indiana has a football team.

Vanderbilt has a football team.

That's only possible because the transfer portal and the NIL.

And then you look at these teams, obviously there was a couple.

SMU makes the playoffs.

Are you kidding me?

Indiana makes the playoffs.

More schools get shot shine.

Yeah.

Turned out the big names are going to do the best. No doubt get shot to shine.
Turned out

the big names are going to do the best.

No doubt.

You know why?

Here you go.

Cold hard key.

Here you go.

Here you go.

Here you go.

That's going to matter.

We thought it was just Ohio State at the beginning of the year. That was almost like the myth that was being told.
And I saw some people still saying it last night on the internet. They paid $20 million for their roster.
I hate to break it to some people, but from what we have learned is there was a lot of teams paying $20 million for their roster. And that number is only going to be going, depending upon what this ruling is and how it works it works out that could obviously adjust it but there's a lot of alumni spending a lot of money to get players on their team because they learn quickly oh i can't own an nfl team but i am an alumni at this particular i can directly affect if we're going to win yeah can i get tickets every game yeah will you guys say that i'm the reason why we're yeah how much do you need we need two and a half million dollars for this guy got it okay that's one position there was like That's multiple.
Yeah. Will you guys say that I'm the reason why we're – yeah.
How much do you need? We need $2.5 million for this guy. Done.
Got it. Boom.
Okay, that's one position. There was like – that's multiple.
Yeah. Let alone the guys that aren't even playing that are on the roster that are getting paid.
So if you're talking about the amount of money that's actually being paid for some of these teams, I mean, it is – and you can kind of see it in the college football playoff. Yeah.
You've got to see who's moving, who's not. That's why Nick Saban's call for regulation yesterday is one that I think is being echoed by everybody.
It's like there has to be some sort of rules, some sort of comps. Joining us, nine-year NFL vet, absolute legend during these field passes.
Looked so cool last year. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius J.
Butler. D-Butch, college football is moving much more like NFL football.
Obviously with contracts and free agency and everything like that. The NFL has comps, comparisons obviously is what comps means, for salaries, what people get.
There's marketing deals like, hey, this is status quo, this is what this is. They have a market already established.
Right now with college ball, they're trying to establish a market, but the market is just allowed to be whatever. I think everybody's seeing it the same way, and I think college football is only going to get better and better because of it.
Yeah, got to have some guardrail, but I love the parity in the sport, more parity than ever. You mentioned it, Connor, the number one team going down week after week, the different storylines.
Everybody failed to mention UConn getting nine wins as well. Shout out.
This season with Jim Morrison. Shout out to UConn getting their nine wins.
What conference are you guys in? You, we're working on it. You know, one of the teams, independent.
That was just in a national championship. Get all the money.
It can be done. It can be done.
Okay. Big 10 versus independent.
You guys play on NBC every week? No, but we did play in the Fenway Bowl. Oh! Did you win that? We did win that, actually.
And then they go and build Belichick's record. Belichick being back in college, well, being in college now.
So much is going on with the players. I think the depth will be more of that gap now once you get later in the playoffs and later in the season because now a lot of these backups are just going to different places, going to different schools and taking their opportunity starts.
But what Ohio State was able to do, you know, retaining all those players from their roster,

the seniors being able to go out, you know, how they wanted to go out,

coming back to Sonny Stiles, the Simons, the Jack Sawyers of the world,

and then bringing in a guy like Jeremiah Smith, that, you know, best player in the country.

And when it's nut-cutting time, all the marbles on the table, you go to them down the field.

So Will Howard coming over, like just everything that they did, Chip Kelly, Jim Knowles with the defense, and then Ryan Day, everything that that team, you know, had to battle through, man. It was an awesome finish.
Jim Knowles, we watched him walk around pregame on the field yesterday just stalking his prey. Arms behind his back, just, like, the slowest walk, and he was just watching Notre Dame's pregame warm-ups.
He didn't say a word to anybody. Didn't, like, his guy, since when he came over...
Three years ago? Yeah, when you started doing game day, and the big thing about Ohio State was the year before that, their defense had just got to a place where it never was before. Offensive line and defense was being questioned.
Yes, bingo. And then Jim Knowles comes in, and they get better every single year.
They were the number two defense last year, number one defense this year. That guy is an

assassin. Yeah, he's

potentially going to leave to

go to Oklahoma,

was being rumored.

I guess he came from Oklahoma State, right?

If I'm not mistaken. I guess family

basically

all back. Where'd Oklahoma's D.C.

go?

He went to West Virginia. I did go there.
Left Oklahoma to go to West Virginia? Yeah, he did. That's when you know.
It's a new day, brother. Yes, it is.
Yes, it is. And congrats to Ryan Day getting a chance to enjoy his life as the head coach at Ohio State because there hasn't been a lot of of that he's won a lot his percentage of victory is like literally top four in the history of the game with so many games already coached i mean just like a resume that has now been you know punched scott would be a hall of favor right with if he was to stop he's a national champion his percentage of winning as a coach is in the top four all-time, I think, is what they showed.

He's third all-time.

Third all-time.

Top four last night.

Yeah, third all-time on game day.

A lot of games.

It's up over 80 games or something like that.

This dude has never – boom, this moment right here.

It's like this is the first time he seemingly was allowed to say, like, yes, we finally did it we've won a lot of games we've never won the game obviously whatever we've had to we've never won the last game of the season now there's only one team that's able to go into the offseason completely happy and content knowing that what they did the last year all paid off and now they have the the ability to say, yeah, if we do what we do, we can win it all. This is what it is.
We just did it. This man getting a chance to enjoy it.
His family getting a chance to enjoy it. Good for Ryan Day, dude.
Good for Ryan Day. Legitimately.
Great, great, great for Ryan Day. And then even how they were able to do it.
Like, obviously, Travion Henderson, you know, having to split carries with Junkins. You got Ibuka, who broke the Ohio State, you know, all-time receptions record.
And he had to be the number two to Marv and now number two to Jeremiah. So, like, even as a recruiting tool, like, hey, come over here, brother.
Everybody eats over here. Everybody eats B.
Come over here and get some. So, just dope to see how this team came together.
And just adversity, man. Like the Michigan shit, getting that loss.
And I'm sure some people in Ohio are still like, obviously they're very, very happy now. But now, hey, you better be Michigan.
Yeah, listen, you won the entire country's thing. We need to make sure we win the northern border one.
That needs to happen. And I'm sure that'll be talked about at some point during the off season ryan day will have to answer questions for it but if you're ryan day the weight of the world the entire state of ohio just got lifted off your shoulders for 24 hours yeah whatever it is dominant but just knowing that you could get it done is i think what a lot of people wanted to know the reason why people got so mad about him losing to michigan because they thought this is the biggest game on your schedule every single year you can't get job done so it's always like can this guy get the job when we're judging quarterbacks yep in the nfl it's like can this guy get the job done that's all we're wondering can he whenever it's all said and done can this guy get the job done coaches that are just getting hired ben johnson new head coach of chicago bears congratulations to ben johnson do we think ben johnson without mcdc leading the culture can he get the job done that's what everybody thinks nine-year nfl vet darius jay baller do you to Ben Johnson.
Do we think Ben Johnson, without MCDC leading the culture, can he get the job done? That's what everybody thinks. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J.
Butler. Do you think Ben Johnson will be able to do it up there in Chicago with Caleb Williams? Just acting as if the building will be able to win.
Let's not say the building has been what it's been, where it's potentially an anchor for the football team, everything else that's happening in the building. Let's say the building is a good building.
Ben Johnson gets in there with Caleb Williams. Do you think he's going to be able to be a leader to get the job done? Yes.
That's all we want to know in a coach, right? After a year, still think it. Two years, you don't get the job done, still think it.
This year, make or break year, now third year. But if you don't get it done for a while, then immediately the question is, this guy can't get the job done.
This guy can't get the job done. It's the easiest thing for us humans who have easy brains to judge somebody on.
Guy can't win the big one. Guy can't win the big one.
Then he wins the big one, and it's like, can't win the big one. How many big ones? But it's not, can he win the big one? It's how many.
And that's a vastly different question. And Ryan Day no longer has to answer that question.
He's young still, too. People say his beard is really dark.

He dyes it.

He's young.

What?

He dyes it.

That's fine.

It's not a big deal.

No, he doesn't.

He does not.

Yeah, you know how stressed out that guy is every day of his life?

His hair is not that dark.

Well, you're talking about being stressed out.

A guy wins a national championship, hops on a golf cart, breaks his leg.

This happened last night after the game as they were heading to the press conference. He, Will, hired busted axle.
Busted axle. Can't move.
Stuck on the wall. Ryan Day goes, are you kidding me? What, we just won the national championship? Golf cart stuck.
We'll walk, they said. And we'll have you know, we were walking around back here, real cold.
It was very freezing. It was back tunnels.
I mean, it was really cold down there. Not as cold as it is in Indianapolis right now.
Four degrees this morning, it said. That's a thermostat.
It's a wind chill. I assume it's cold everywhere.
But in these back hallways, obviously very chilly. Ryan Day's like, are you fucking kidding me right now? So that situation happens after the game.
Hilarious. Happy nobody actually got injured.
I don't know how she thought she was ever going to make that. Well, the wall came out of nowhere.
It was like 10 feet away, and then it shifted when she started driving. I do appreciate thinking, though, like, hey, if I just go 50 into this thing, it might move back.
Aggressive. Full sin.
I mean, she was looking at the wall as she hits the wall. It's not like she was looking ahead, maybe there's an indent here and the wall stops.

Go back to the beginning of that.

She's literally staring at the wall

as she runs into it. It's not like she's looking down the hall.

Look at this.

Just looking right at it.

She didn't ease into it.

She's excited. You can't be giggling after you do that.

You can't be.

She's just acting like they're on some amusement park ride.

Ryan Daydream had to have his leg amputated. Why isn't it going? Oh, my God.
Oh, I broke the axle because I hit the wall so hard. Okay, this one's going to be stuck here forever.
A lot of Austin Powers. You know, I'm showing you Austin Powers.
Sure. And I do love Austin's persistence, too.
Oh, yeah. Because you've been in a couple of those situations before we all have.
Where it's like, wow, this is going to 15 point turn here yes if i want to do this or am i backing this all the way yeah i'm backing this all the way out of here or am i doing the whole song and dance right now she said i'm not doing the whole song and dance no we're getting to the press conference yeah ride this wall right now yeah she probably thought maybe she yeah go up on the side oh and turn it we've seen those videos of cars on their sides. She's thinking she's turning that song bitch sideways.
She's going on two wheels. Ryan Day's hanging off the side.
One of these. That's what she thought Ryan Day was going to do? He might even get out and kind of walk the wall style points.
And Will Howard's actually going to be on the street walking down with his hand on the thing. That's what she thought.

Yeah. Okay.

Boy. Okay.
Well, I'm happy everybody's

okay. Huh? I'm just saying I'm beating

allegations. What's that?

What allegations? I'm not saying anymore.

Again, D-Buts?

After what you did last night?

I don't know what you said. Yeah, you did a lot of

milk checking.

National championship.

You're in the game. You're in the Florida game.
On the sidelines. Yeah, competitive.
Locker room talk. Oh, look at how white this guy is.
How's he doing? It was a great game. But I am very happy for Ryan Day, even though he almost got his leg busted immediately afterwards.
Without a doubt. Ben Johnson going to the Chicago Bears.
Green Bay Packers owner Ty Schmidt. You nervous about that, huh? Ben Johnson.
Everybody wanted Ben Johnson to be their head coach. Not only this coaching cycle, last coaching cycle.
Now he's going to the NFC North, staying in the NFC North. He knows you guys all too well from his time up there in Detroit, Ty.
Yeah, is he the defensive guy? You'll find one. He's been putting a staff together for a long time.
He has been.

He has been, which Detroit fans absolutely love.

They love that he's been putting a staff together, you know,

long enough for them to get their asses beat in the divisional round of the playoffs.

But, I mean, we go back to it.

It's can the guy win the big one?

I don't know.

I mean, obviously, he's an unbelievable play caller.

But just from the outside looking in, it looks like he has absolutely no personality. Like, I don't know if he's just super stoic.
I see him celebrate on a sideline all the time. Double.
I don't know. He's a computer science major from North Carolina.
That doesn't do a whole lot for him. Yeah, he knows stuff.
He played ball there, right? He did. Walked on there.
Yeah, he backed up TJ Yates in North Carolina. Walked on.
Gotta have good vibes. Great vibes.
Gotta have great locker vibes. So a lot of people saying, hey, not once did you see Jerry Goff go up and give this guy a hug, celebrate with him.
Never happened once. That's a goof problem.
I don't know. Even after fake.
Didn't do it. Didn't do it.
I don't know. I'm just saying, we've done this song and dance with the Bears a thousand times, so I don't know if bringing in a guy like Ben Johnson just overnight is like, oh, hey, are gonna win the division now like you know i mean you have to kind of prove that a little bit okay because like i said i've been watching packers versus bears for a long time and watching the bears for a long time zito i'm sure is ecstatic and he should be because that you know they could have done the thing that everyone like they could have hired eddie george and nothing against eddie george...
Eddie George is sitting out there just taking a little shrapnel. They threw that name out there, and then anyone was like, well, I mean, Eddie George hasn't exactly been a world beater at Tennessee State or wherever he's been.
They could have hired the best CFL coach. Exactly.
They could have hired Mark Trestman again, but they didn't. They got arguably the best guy of this cycle, but it's the same thing.
They have to

go do it, and until they go do it, I don't

know if I'm initially going to be like, oh wow, Ben

Johnson's going to take them to the Super Bowl.

Foxy, I heard all that Detroit is

thanking Ben Johnson for getting this

offense to a place that was winning them

more games than they've ever won

in the history of the Detroit Lions,

putting them in a position to have home field

advantage through the playoffs. Ben Johnson,

a massive piece of this

brand new Lions operation. So has there been a thank you from the city of Detroit for Ben Johnson? Or how's this all? Congratulations, head coach.
This guy's been working at Boston College. Then he goes to Miami.
He has every job in Miami. He's worked his way up.
He's cut his teeth. Former walk-on in North Carolina.
This guy loves ball. He's done so much for so many places.
Detroit, obviously the place that has benefited from his big brain on a regular basis. They said, go on, Ben.
No. Everybody's pissed off.
I have no idea why. But all Lions fans are so mad at Ben Johnson.
They're saying that we played like crap because he was thinking about his future head coaching role with the Chicago Bears. I don't get it at all.
I could care less that he's leaving us. I could care less that he's going to the Bears because guess what, boys? We've known he's going to leave us for the last two years.
We're actually lucky that he stayed with us this year, and we're lucky that we had the best offense in the NFL, the best offense in Lions history. I'm grateful for what Ben Johnson did for the Detroit Lions, and guess what? We talk about on this show, more than any other show, the most important thing you can have for a team is culture, and we'll see if Ben Johnson can do that.
Can he dial up plays? Absolutely. Caleb Williams, he needs to be smart.
He needs to know this offense. That's the only way it's going to work.
And also, the Bears, you need an offensive line because Ben Johnson's shit doesn't work without a great offensive line. So, yeah, I am thankful and grateful for Ben Johnson for everything he does.
But there's a lot of people in Detroit saying he can't figure out why. There's a lot of jobs that were open, I think, that he picked and chose which job he's going to.
He went to Chicago. They're pissed.
He's in the NFC North. I appreciate that type of fan base.
Obviously, getting mad about anything is good if you can, especially at this time after you lose, the way that goes. He's put a staff together, which I think every coach that is ever going to be a head coach has done either during their time of coaching, whenever they talk to somebody,

meet with somebody, Dennis Allen, obviously the interim head coach at one point

for the Saints, defensive coordinator now for Ben Johnson.

Now they're a big brain.

People enjoy him.

Ben and Dennis have probably talked about this a lot over the past,

not just over the last couple weeks.

I assume this has been something that's been decided.

But I appreciate that Detroit's all pissed off. What are you grinning for over here? I mean, look, all those things Foxy listed, those are real cool.
Most wins, coolest offense. They don't hang banners for that shit.
At the end of the day, all this will just be forgotten. True, some teams do, but that would have been a 2023 banner because they were only the NFC finalists last year.
To be honest, I don't agree with many things that the Detroit fan base is all about. Maybe Eminem and Kid Rock, perhaps.
But I agree with him on this one. How do we know Ben Johnson didn't have a couple cool plays that he had in his back pocket, but he was like, well, I don't want to use these now.
I'm about to beat Caleb's OCI. No, he didn't do that.
How do we know? How do we know? We don't know that. We don't know that.
He might have had some cool Jared goof in the flat, catching the ball, running wild, brother. But we don't know that.
Instead, he said, no, I should do the JMO reverse pass. He'll throw a pick.
Whoops. I didn't mean to call that one.
He's not going to call that one. He's in Chicago.
No, not anymore. Because he figured that out in the playoffs against the Commanders.
Oh, and what was the OC for the Commanders doing? Hey, I'm not going to do interviews until this runs over. I'm focused on this team right now, right here.
And don't even get me started, okay? Aaron Glenn, what was he thinking about when that defense was letting up 38 points? Okay, what happened there? Of course, they let up 45, but one of those was a pick six. Oh, a pick six from a play Ben Johnson drew

up. Whoa, they weren't working against

that. I don't know.

I don't think they were either, but I

don't know for a fact if

they were or if they weren't because

a lot of the talk was those are the top

two guys. They're going to get jobs.

Shefter came on our show. He was like, these two guys

are going to get jobs for guard.

They're game planning for the game against the commanders

and they're thinking to themselves, man, this

is fun, but I just got off a Zoom call

I don't know. They're going to get jobs.
Schefter came on our show. He was like, these two guys are going to get jobs for Garden.
Yeah. And they're game planning for the game against the commanders, and they're thinking to themselves, man, this is fun, but I just got off a Zoom call with an organization I'm about to run.
Not a lot of dudos, remember? Not a lot of dudos. It was their only schedule for like a two-day period.
Everybody was doing them. That was the week before? It was the week before on their off time.
Yeah, but then they cut it off. It wasn't like it was in the past.
In the past, it was like a text-y, Face-time-y, we're going to go meet-in-person-y, like day before biggest game of all time. The NFL has tried to fix it.
Conor brought up a lot of good points there. I didn't even think about Ben Johnson maybe keeping a couple plays in the back pocket for Caleb Williams to do.
How do you not? I didn't even think about him starting to dream up plays that Caleb could do that Jared Goff definitely can't do. There you go.
I didn't even think about him potentially being distracted going into the biggest game of the year because of how smart and creative he is. How could his brain not start to venture in what he could do with Caleb Williams as opposed to what he could do with Jared Goff? Oh my God, I didn't even think about that.
It's probably a third and short, and he was thinking to himself, man, I guess we got to run crack toss again, where if I had Caleb Williams, maybe we're running a little read option RPO. Knock it off.
He's looking at that play. I don't believe that.
Knock it off. He wrote it down.
He wasn't just holding back plays. I heard from people around the league.
What do you mean? Like fans around the league? Yeah. People around the league that he was actually calling plays so the Lions would lose because he was worried that if they went to another round that the Bears would hire someone else and he wouldn't get that job.
This is not a sabotage mission from Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson. That's why it makes no sense that Lions fans are mad.
He knew he was going to Chicago. This has been a done deal for probably weeks at this point.
I don't understand why Lions fans are surprised. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen.
Are they mad because it's the first time the Lions have ever had an OC plucked? That has been wanted for a DC? It actually is the first time ever. Since like the 50s or something.
I'm dead serious. Maybe they just don't know.
Maybe they just don't know how it works. We didn't mention yesterday or today.
We were banged up. We had a lot of injuries.
That's why we lost the game. It's not their fault.
I agree. A lot of injuries throughout the year.
And the question now is, can MCDC win the big one? Right. Can Aaron Glenn win the big one with the Jets, assumingly is what everybody's kind of saying.
Can Ben Johnson win the big one with the Bears and Caleb? We shall see. Ryan Day did win the big one last night.
On the call alongside Chris Fowler, he's the face of college football and also the face of thursday night football for the nfl he kicks off each week on amazon prime alongside al michaels ladies and gentlemen old baby blue eyes foreign president of ohio kirk herpshire yeah sorry what's up guys you got the tail end of a tangent there about everybody saying ben johnson and aaron glenn we're trying to make the Lions lose because they were focused on future jobs. We don't think that's true.
This is normal operating procedure. But let's talk about Ryan Day quickly, and then we'll move into all the other ball conversations.
This whole thing started because Ryan Day can now say to others and himself, I can win the big one. I can win the national championship.
Do you think that respect is going to radiate through the state of Ohio and college football for him? And how long does that follow him or carry him? I told AJ last night, let's give Ryan Day a lifetime contract, the highest thing, after winning the national championship. AJ said, I don't think that's how that works, but let's move forward.
What do you think this does for Ryan Day after that big win, Herbie? Well, you know how that, I mean, anytime you win a national championship, in the NFL it's like winning the Super Bowl. You just go into a different galaxy.
You go into a different stratosphere. And I don't think he was ever in trouble at Ohio State.
You know, I think rational minds, behind the scenes, president, athletic director, I mean, they're all in before this four game run. But, you know, what they put together is historic.
I mean, it's the first 12 team playoff that we've seen. It's a team that's coming off a very, very heartbreaking loss.
You guys, you know, obviously talked about this and they talked about four games, getting to four games and not being over. And it's pretty easy after you lose a fourth time to your rival to fall apart.

Guys, move on.

Get ready for the league.

Do whatever you're going to do.

And I'll tell you, Ryan Day did a great job, and I'm sure AJ would agree with this.

If he didn't have so many veterans, and you go around that defense,

you know, JTT, Jack Sawyer, Ty Lake Williams, Ty Hamilton, that's just the front four.

Cody Simon, Sonny Stiles, Brandon Hitchcock, or Hancock. Caleb Downs has become a guy they rely on.
Lathan Ransom, Denzel Burke. I mean, these guys have been around for four years.
They've won some big games. They lost to Georgia a couple years ago, lost to Michigan.
And I just think there was a buy-in. And I think that's what made it so special.
It was not just Ryan Day. You're happy for him and his staff.
But those veteran players that said, guys, we can do something off of this loss. If he didn't have that veteran presence in the locker room, I don't know if they accomplished this.
So I think those players deserve, those seniors deserve a ton of credit for pulling together and getting it done those last four games. Hell yeah.
And it was an honor to watch them from the sideline. Obviously, you get to call the games as well, but us just getting a chance to watch them.
How'd that go last night, dude? Dude, it's so cool. So this leads me to my next question.
Obviously, your son is on the Ohio State Buckeyes. Zach, who we obviously know, dog.
Good dude. Love his vibes.
Love his energy. He's on the the team he's now a national champion forever aj was holding back tears last night at the end of the game whenever we were on the sideline and he tried to divert it you know classic aj he was yeah what do you got what do you do next year now you know that was like his he was like you know but he was emotional for ohio state to win that i think he was so proud of that team i think he is a massive fan of all those players because of what they had to deal with.
I think he understands it. Being an Ohio guy in Ohio, around all Ohio State fans, played there.
I think he gets it. So I think he was fighting back emotions as well.
And then we saw you with Scott Van Pelt after the game and Chris Fowler in the booth where you got emotional as well last night. And anytime somebody gets emotional on television that's going to be reacted to but for us I thought it was cool man I thought it was cool to watch you kind of let the world know how you actually feel as opposed to just being these baby blue eyes in a suit calling the game you're an Ohio guy you're former president of Ohio your kids on that team i really appreciated what you did

and uh did you know who's coming when did you know you weren't going to be able to hold it in and

how how do you feel after a situation like this happens on national television kirk

uh i i i just i only know how i feel at the time i you know that's not something you think about

or predict it's just it was almost like a perfect storm for me. My son had heart failure two years ago.
They were talking about a heart replacement there for a while. He had to medically retire.
Ryan Day, I think the gratitude I have for Ryan Day, putting his arms around Zach and keeping him involved. He's almost like a GA with what he was doing and Ryan insisted on putting his arms around Zach and keeping him involved.
You know, he's almost like a GA with what he was doing. And Ryan insisted on putting his arms around him, Chip Kelly, all these guys.
So there was that side of it, looking down and seeing him in his jersey after, you know, potentially facing, you know, replacing your heart to that. I haven't really talked about this publicly, but, you know, Allie, my wife, faced some stuff.
It's been a tough year for me behind the scenes. My wife got diagnosed with breast cancer.
You know, Ben dies. It was just a lot of emotion.
And when you do what we do, you endure. You know, you do your job.
And I think what happened, I couldn't predict it, but when they won, I was so happy for Ryan Day and those players that I just talked about because of what they faced and all the stuff behind the scenes. It was almost like, I don't know, maybe a release of all that penned up stuff.
And it just got the best of me. I'm an emotional guy in general you know and and when things touch my heart i i just i'm not good at talking you know when that when that happens and scott came to me i was already a little bit kind of uh dealing with it and then he came to me first and i was like why do you got to come to me kind of thing and that's what that was just real it was just me talking and i think said, it was a perfect storm of emotions, of a lot of stuff going through my head and looking down and seeing my son.
My wife is in the booth with me. You know, it was a lot.
But just happy for those players. That's a lifelong memory.
That fan base will never forget this run they put on. And you're just proud.
You're happy for them. You're for what they faced at the end of that Michigan game.
And I talked to these guys behind the scenes and know what they were going through and how hurt they were. And for them to endure that, overcome that, man, what an example for sports.
What an example for all of us in our walk in life to go through adversity and learn that, you know what, we grow more going through adversity. And they did as a collective unit, they overcame.
I just, whether it's Ohio State or any other team that happened to be Ohio State, it makes it that much more. But I'm a big sucker for team.
And when I see people go through stuff and come together and overcome, sign me up. I just love it.
And it happened to be my team. my team so you know there was just a lot yeah absolutely and thank you for sharing all that team sports are the greatest thing on earth for all the reasons you just laid out and shout to the 12 team playoff for being a little bit more forgiving to teams that potentially have a hiccup or a setback because them getting a chance to kind of make up for the loss to mich for themselves, for their team, for their state is beautiful.
Shout out to your wife, Allie, absolute badass. Obviously, we knew what was happening behind the scenes.
Nobody talked about it publicly. Feels like everything that happened to you this year was a lot.
And the way you were able to maintain professionalism on the microphone, both calling games, both Thursday and Saturday night and on game day,

while still bringing juice to all the game day meetings,

and I assume all the other meetings you've had to do all year.

I could see how going from one thing to the next while dealing with everything,

and then a little finality almost to the season,

and then you see the happiness of the people

that have been close to you struggling.

It's like, yeah, I could see how you get emotional, brother.

So don't you ever feel bad about that.

We love you, man. Know that.
We're proud not an easy year man not an easy year i know you're asking the bahamas right now but not an easy year for you at all man legit you had to fight there was a lot heavy heavy heavy your family did you did it was uh proud of you man you had a great year you need to know that brother well why I always, you know, having each unit I work with, you know, Al Michaels and that group, we've become so tight. They know a lot of the stuff that I went through.
You know, when you go through stuff as a team, whether it's sports or work, I'm sure you guys in that room go through some stuff, you know. And when you share it it i feel like you get vulnerable with each other it just creates a tight unit and i can't not say enough about amazon and what what they what they did for me behind the scenes and the game day guys you and nick and reese and des our whole crew behind the scenes like i'm a part of three families like like you're of this big, strong family right here.
You're a part of the Game Day family. You're a part of the WWE family.
You know better than anybody that you want to be a thousand percent present. Like, this is the only thing that matters to me, whether it's Thursday night or Game Day or Saturday night.
And, again, you get that, the wear and tear that that takes. And yet, you show up every single week like it's week one and it's it it's it's um what we do and no we're not asking for anybody to feel sorry for ourselves we sign up for this stuff but it's not just hey show up and call wrestling match hey show up and and call game the way you guys do on on espn2 with these big games.
I mean, it's the prep.

It's the grind.

It's the love of it.

And the finality, as you said so perfectly, I think it just confetti comes down.

You're looking down CNN.

It's just a release, I think, is the best way to describe that.

I just happen to be on national TV.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has happened to you a lot in your life.

Obviously, you've been a face and a voice for

sports college ball for a very very long time before that he was doing radio four hours a day over there in ohio i mean you're talking about being in the sports world long time loving sport loving team sport we're proud of you man obviously what we do is a lot better than like uh you know truck driving or laying bricks or anything like that those people doing the real world those are Hard job. Yeah.
Military cops, E&T, firefighter, you name it.

Like real jobs.

Yeah.

But watching you have to go through the human side of everything while also being in a microscope and in a fishbowl obviously lucky to do it thankful to do it you handled it very very well and i don't think anybody would have known all the shit you were going through when you were going through it because Because there was some news you got like two hours before we go live on game day. And it's like, are you going to be all right out here? And it's like, you locked in.
You did your job for the people because you know it's not about you. It's about the sport.
It's about the fans. So you being able to do that, I want to let you know, was admirable shit all year.
Legit. Appreciate you.
No problem. I appreciate you too, man.
Now, let's talk about some college ball because the season was awesome. We were so lucky to kind of be a part of it.
Ty has a question for you as a former Catholic school kid. Yeah, Herbie, on the other side last night, we all know that when Brian Kelly left Notre Dame, he basically said, like, hey, I'm going to LSU because I don't believe I can win a national title at Notre Dame.
Obviously, an unbelievable run. Last night ended up being closer, I think, than anyone thought it was going to be at halftime or midway through the third quarter.
But when you look at college football as a whole and where it's going, do you think that that was Notre Dame's best chance to win a national title? Or do you think everything that they have in place with the boosters and the reach

of that institution and university like will Notre Dame be able to get back to that point do

you think Marcus Freeman will eventually win a national title Ty I'm all in on what they've

done and I'll be incredibly honest and candid I was raised in this in the 70s and 80s and Notre

Dame football was Alabama Georgia Ohio State whoever you want to say I mean they were a different

Thank you. I was raised in the 70s and 80s, and Notre Dame football was Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, whoever you want to say.
I mean, they were a different level. Everybody tried to be Notre Dame in that era.
And I think after the Lou Holtz era, as you know Ty so well, they've been searching. They've had some moments.
You know, when Brady was there with Charlie, I mean, they've had some good moments. But I don't know.
And Brian Kelly had some moments. But I don't know if I've ever felt like this about Notre Dame as far as since the Lou Holtz era.
I think they're scratching the surface. I think he's only going to build a stronger roster.
Kids are drawn to him. They want to play for him.
They want to play for that school. I always kind of simplify it and say he's making Notre Dame cool, which sounds like whatever, but when you can reach 17, 18, 19-year-old kids and make a brand, kind of like nobody cares about Notre Dame too.
All of a sudden, the way he carries himself in the sideline, the way his teams represent themselves. I think this is the beginning.

Now, you've got to go find a quarterback, obviously.

And I think C.J. Carr, by the way, is a super freaky, talented guy.

Lloyd Carr's grandson.

He's a freshman.

They've got Angele, who stepped in against Penn State.

But guys, they're not going away.

I just think that with the new 12-team playoff not being in a conference, they have favorable opportunities to get into the top 12. I just don't see that.
I don't think this was, hey, they did it in 2012. See you later.
Back to your corner. I don't see that, man.
I see this as the beginning. And they learned a lot.
I feel bad for the older players. But those younger guys going through that, fighting back from 31-7 when it looked like it was on its way to 45 or 52-7.
Fighting Irish. And they just fought back, you know, like they did all year.
So I was pumped for them. And I think they're just going to – they're not going – as long as he's there, they're not going anywhere.
Culture established, seemingly, for Notre Dame.

Old guys will be able to pass it down to the young lads that come into that locker room.

The quarterback is the only thing.

Quarterback's the only thing that matters.

I'm telling you guys, CJ Carr is a really...

Now, can he process? Can he play at that level?

All the writing on this wall would tell you they'll have a quarterback battle.

We saw what Anjeli could do.

But I'm just telling you, C.J. Carr is a K.

He's a put-the-franchise-on-your-back kind of quarterback coming out of high school.

He's a very, very special talent.

It'll be a great battle with he and Anjeli.

It'll be fun to see how that plays out.

You know, is Al Golden going to be there?

There's rumors he's going back to Cincinnati to be their coordinator. So, you know, there's going to be a lot of things that are going to happen over the next week or two, but as long as Marcus Freeman is wearing those pants, I don't know if he's going Viore.
I don't know what he's got going there. Is it Lulu? Whatever he's got, he just looks and acts the part.
Parents want their kids. I know from being at St.
X, it's a big school in Cincinnati, big Catholic school. And kids want to go and play for Marcus.
He's catching 18-year-olds' attention. That roster is only going to get stronger.
Maybe not his experience, but it's only going to get stronger. I've talked about this publicly a lot of times.
I had zero friends who were private school kids or Catholic school kids basically throughout my entire life. You, though, were a Catholic school kid.
Kids in Catholic schools, Notre Dame is the... That was a real thing.
When I was in high school... Not just football players.
We're talking about Catholic school kids across the country. Everything, but specifically in football when I was in high school, that's when Brady Quinninn was there and like notre dame was good and competing for national titles and like yeah if you were a stud football player at like a like a saint x like a big catholic high school like you wanted to go play at notre dame and then that kind of did die out a little bit i think when they kind of had their ebbs and flows but if it's coming back like that's a massive deal catholic school kids though want high school kids want to go to notre dame goal is to go to notre dame without a doubt as college like a lot of kids yeah okay that is because it's like that's like a thing on real quick just one last thing at 31 to 7 if that ends up being 52 to 7 and they have that 2012 experience at alabama it was almost like i said just hey guys you made it see you later but the fact that they made that i made it competitive.
And I think, I mean, obviously they wanted that confetti to come down and be the winner. But I don't think they hurt themselves by stepping in there against that team the way they were playing those last four weeks and to be down 31-7.
With an offense, by the way, they're not built to be down 31-7 and get back in it. And Greathouse starts making plays.
We saw Riley Leonard make plays with his legs, and he starts making plays with his arms. They got some momentum.
Again, I don't think they hurt the brand in any way at all. I agree.
And Greathouse earned himself a lot of money. I don't know how much he's making, but he's less than a game.
What a player. He's been a guy.
What a catch. What a throw by Riley, first of all.
He's looking at a catch. What a throw.
Yeah. Riley missed a couple last night.
That was like what everybody said about Riley. He missed a couple.
He overshot some. And it's like, this is what Riley Leonard is.
But then he makes a couple throws and you're like, this is what it could be. I think a lot of people are...
It's all about his feet. These athletic guys that want to make plays and are so capable of making plays.
If you watch him, I'm sure Dan will dan will break him down but if you watch him and you watch his feet sometimes those feet can get him in trouble sometimes it works for him and other times you know he's back there with his feet going they're pointing over here then he sees a receiver breaking left to his right and he doesn't have time to get his feet turned yeah make a throw brother it's so obvious too isn't it isn't it's like so obvious they're saying this about drake may too when he's coming out of college yep it's like hey yeah when we watch the guys that are good on sundays this you see all this shit like even if they're extending plays they're able to get their bot this is a professional and then this is what you are doing right now we understand what you are trying to do hey we get it like everybody wants to do that but the guys that you see are doing that have their base their platform is in place for that whole thing that's and I mean, Aaron could talk to you for hours on this, but that's why I don't think it's necessarily his arm. I thought last night he went through his progressions.
I thought he was, a lot of times in his career, one progression out because he can rely on those legs. And I think that's the biggest challenge.
These guys who are dual guys in college, when they go up to the NFL, yeah, you can make plays. That's why people were missing it.
When I talked to you guys last year about Jaden Daniels,

Jaden Daniels is a pocket quarterback that can get out and go.

But you know what he does a good job of?

He doesn't look primary and then go rely on his feet.

He'll go first, second, third, then he's going.

And that is a fine line between these college guys who want to rely on the feet.

And I don't think it's his arm. I think's his feet slowing down his game his brain slowing down but he's got arm talent it's not that it's just it's the feet and uh boy how much fun is jayden daniels to watch right now hold on okay on that note ap tone has a question for you yeah last year around this time it's probably more about a month from now around the combine time, you told us on this show, hey, Jaden

Daniels is going to be from the guy. Army-Navy.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was Army-Navy last year.

Army-Navy says before any of this.

Reiterating that it was going to be Jaden

Daniels. Now, we watched

Will Howard all play out.

We did every single Ohio State game, and he

looks really, really good.

He's projected right now

third, fourth round. Do you think that he could be a guy that in this during this process is gonna is gonna jump up to a first round guy yeah i think so i think going to a school like ohio state dealing with the pressure that he dealt with it's amazing the one thing i love about the nfl is getting in here and a chance to talk to coordinators talking to gms learning so much about you know these agents telling players hey you know what bowl game, you're hurt.
Meanwhile, these GMs, these coaches, they want to see a guy that plays to an ankle. That's like stock up.
These guys are being told stock down. It's stock up when you do that.
Watching quarterbacks have to go through adversity like Will Howard losing to Michigan, throwing two picks, not just losing, but throwing two picks that potentially cost you the game where he slid against Oregon. And then having these moments, man, his rating definitely went up.
Because if nothing else, you've seen how he acts under fire. We could talk XOs all you want.
He works with Jeff Christensen, the quarterback coach with Patrick Mahomes. He works with so many guys.
And I know he would tell you that this guy is legit So, yeah, I think he helped himself with this run plan and dealing with the pressure at Ohio State. We all know how challenging that is.
And, yeah, I think he's got the physical ability, at the very least, get a look, get into a camp, show what he can do. But the kid did a hell of a job.
And I will say this about Jaden Daniels real quick. Sorry to go bounce back to the NFL.
Don't worry about it. It's funny.
Cliff Kingsbury was thrown in the trash can, you know, when he left Arizona. It was like, yeah, well, hey, Cliff, this is the NFL.
Get the hell out of here. And then he goes to USC as an analyst.
And then he gets hired by DQ to be the OC. I don't hear anybody ripping on KK.
I mean, he is a beast. He's doing a great job.
Give him a lot of credit It's easy to point to Jane Daniels And we should, but that system that they put Around him, the receivers that they have The talent that they have to work with But don't forget Cliff Kingsbury and the job That he's done this year with that team We watched Will Howard complete one to Jeremiah Smith Ohio State wide receiver, here's Terry McLaurin Ohio State wide receiver going absolutely bonkers. Cliff Kingsbury title.

Ameca Abuka is the next

Terry McLaurin. Okay.

Ameca Abuka. Broke the record last night.

He will be

the guy. Terry McLaurin,

even now when you talk about Ohio State

receivers, everyone's like Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson

and JSN and Marvin Harrison.

People will forget about

Terry and what he did. It reminds me so much of Ameeka Abuka.
It's like he's always the other guy. Always the other guy.
On Ohio State's own roster, Marvin Harrison. Now the rookie, I'm telling you right now, he is going to go to the NFL and be a stud.
He'll be a superstar. He's intelligent, competitive, warrior, not to mention uberly talented.

Just be ready for that one.

I gave you Jaden Daniels last year.

Emeko Buko will be that guy next year.

Team guy, too.

Team guy.

Team guy.

Team guy.

Locker room.

Locker room guy.

Has been putting in positions now to be a diva in the bitch in the wine because he is exactly what you're saying.

Hasn't done it at all.

He's only helped in this entire thing. It's like.
Blocks his ass off. Yeah.
Blocks his ass. Like he wants to block.
Like what? Not only are you on the back burner to Marvin Harrison, now this rookie, not only that, but you got to block on this play. And he's like, I'll dig it.
I'll dig that safety out. Give him to me.
Let me go. I mean, I love that.
Again, I love dudes like that. Yeah, me too.
I mean, that's good football. That's what that is.
This Jeremiah Smith guy, though. I mean, it is absolutely absurd.
Let's move out of Ohio State chat, though. Let's go into the NFL.
D-Butch has a question for you. Yeah, Kirk, you mentioned talking to these coordinators and coaches and, you know, the hottest name, the bell of the ball in this cycle was Ben Johnson, and he decided to go to Chicago, coach Caleb Williams, that be his quarterback, that be his team.
What's your thoughts on that marriage and how it's going to work and how he's going to get the Bears to that next step? I think Caleb was put in an obvious tough situation this year with everything going on, with the coaching staff, with the team. He sometimes, you know, the way he talks with the media, I know sometimes I think people kind of, their eyebrows raise a bit.
There's another guy that it's never about his talent. Ben Johnson, to me, is in an interesting spot.
And, Foxy, i'd love to hear your take on this i heard you guys talking about a little bit he just left an organization that we have all looked at kind of like we're talking about marcus freeman we've all looked at dan campbell and just talked about biting kneecaps off and the energy that he brings that is not who ben johnson is so he's got to take what he's learned in detroit he's got to take what he's learned in detroit and then he's got to go to chicago obviously with his offensive system but being a head coach isn't just about that offensive system it's about standing in front of the entire room and sending a message every single day and there's some guys that can do that there's some guys that are just great coordinators that just can't be a head coach. No matter what they try.
And I'm excited to see. We know what he can do with Caleb as far as the offense, the structure, the players.
They've got to get better around him. They've got to get younger around him.
The offensive line has got to get better. That part's a given.
But I'm talking about standing up in front of that team and not being Dan Campbell, being himself, but taking some of that Dan Campbell and some of that culture that's worked so well in Detroit, but making it your own. I think that's the biggest challenge in an organization that just cannot get out of their own way.
What can he do to change that? We know you draw up plays. We got it.
We know

you're going to do a great job with Caleb. What are you going to do to make this franchise start

believing that we're going to start winning games? That's the great challenge to me for him.

Not only the absence of MCDC, but also the way MCDC, Holmes, and Sheila Fordham built that team

through the offensive line. Exactly.
Panay Sewell was the first draft pick, right, that they had?

Yep. And then they have, obviously, Ragnall's the guy.
First rounder. Then they go,

Thank you. and Sheila Ford-Hamp built that team through the offensive line.
Panay Sol was the first draft pick, right, that they had? Yep. And then they have, obviously, Ragnall's the guy.
First rounder. Then they go the other, like – Decker, first rounder.
Zeitler, first rounder. That's four first rounders on the offensive line.
That took so many years to build that, and that's where Ben Johnson's got to start, I believe. Yeah, so that's a whole different foundation of a team that, like you say, he's going to do well with Caleb.
We assume, but if Caleb doesn't have time to do any of the Jared Goff, that offense doesn't. You know? Exactly.
That's when Goff doesn't look good. Real quick on Caleb.
One thing on Caleb. Caleb, just his natural maturity.
Another guy in middle school and high school and even college. Best player on the field.
Can make a play at any moment that he has to. And like Mahomes, there are moments, look at Mahomes, five, six, seven, depending on the game, seven or eight times he's going to do a Patrick Mahomes play where Romo does a highlight on, looks like a shortstop or it's a no look.
You know, that's great. Diving forward.
You know what Mahomes does? He hits a single. He takes a layup.
Like, he never misses a layup. Like, that's where Mahomes has got to get.
It's not, holy shit, did you see that throw? It's not that. It's don't feel like you have to do that.
Just hit the 10-yard out. You know, check it down.
Scramble and get a first down for five yards on third and four. Like that guy be consistent with the boring crap and then sprinkle in being a superman but don't be super don't feel like you got to be superman um every single every single play you know so if he can get to that point be patient trust the guys around him don't feel like he has to be a hero that dude freakish talentish.
Yeah, we can't wait to watch and see what Ben Johnson does, and hopefully he does get a little bit of the MCDC culture. We're running up against a hardout.
We appreciate your time. Peter with you? I think I heard Peter in the background a little bit.
Yeah, he's someone. He's been running around here.
Let me see. What? Oh, here he is.
Hey, good season, Pete. Great work.
Good work in the season, Pete. Good work down there, Peter.
You did great. He's a strong strapping line, that Peter.
Good tongue on that dog. Big old tongue.
He's got a big tongue. He's a strong big dude.
Hey, watch it. We're not getting into that.
He's got a lot of big things. Peter deserves respect.
We don't need to be talking about him like he's an OnlyFans model. Hey, Peter, way to go, Bob.
Great season. Herbie, to you and yours, we appreciate the hell out of you, man.
Enjoy yourself. Love you guys, man.
Love you boys. We love you too.
Have a great rest of the season with the NFL. We'll talk soon.
Great season out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Kirk Herbstreit.
Long year for Kirk. Yeah, true.
A lot. And this kid gets offered a scholarship to Michigan, too.
Does get offered a scholarship to Ohio State. It's like, what's he supposed to do? Well, that's no problem.
Hour two on the other side. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
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Football is wonderful. We're so lucky that we get to talk about it every single day.
We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. It's the dumbest thing of all time, just like what we got to do last night as we stood on the sidelines of the national championship as the ohio state buckeyes became national champions congrats to them congrats to notre dame on a phenomenal year and also thank you to college football for entertaining us all the way since the time back in dublin that was had hop hop hop if you are thinking about traveling to europe we would recommend dublin ireland as a place to head to and just, hup, hup, hup, hup, hup.
If you are thinking about traveling to Europe, we would recommend Dublin, Ireland as a place to head to. And just, you know what you're getting into, okay? That's how we went.
I assume there is a golfing vacation. You can go on there.
Castles. You can go visit some castles.
You can do those things. We went right in the middle of the town.
It was right. Right to a pub and just went to another one.
And then went to another smaller one then another one another one and that's what we did we decided to drink their marvelous nectar so good of guinness uh with their locals and uh felt like they all wanted to do the same thing so we can't wait to get back amen to ireland but that's when the season started it ended last night in atlanta the ohio state buckeyes obviously standing on top of the mountain until next season is kicked off. Can't wait for that.
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Hey, thank you very much. Yeah, I figure I mark out.
You know, yesterday it has a date on it. Pretty big day yesterday.
You know, my heart goes out to all the Notre Dame people that lost yesterday of course as well, but it was awesome going down there. Every year it feels like it's kind of just a good wrap on the college football season.
We were not able to drink 10 to 15 beers with Greg McIlroy, unfortunately. Yeah, real lover.
Did you guys see Greg? We did. Yeah, we did.
He was pissed. That was the first thing he said.
Where were you guys at last night? I was down there drinking by myself. I was waiting for you guys.
Kept looking up. Never saw you.
Wow. We didn't go early enough, I guess.
We got there on Sunday morning. Greg was there Saturday night.
I don't think I remember us going that early, I guess, for the national championship. In L.A., we won a couple days early.
Yeah, that was only because we went to the Cotton Bowl before and then flew to Pasadena on like a Saturday or whatever it was. Because we missed all the festivities for the national championship.
We did. They all happened before we got there.
We got there on Sunday. I thought we were getting there early.
Us landing there Sunday morning, I'm like, look at us. We're getting into town early.
We missed everything. I guess we missed all the – we could have went to the Aquarium.
Exactly. Could have.
In the middle of that Bill's Ravens game. Right, which wasn't really an event it was one of those that was talked to anybody too yeah well talk one of the jumping with the sharks which was certainly a potential reason why we would have went and done that but bills ravens too good of a game maybe if uh maybe next year we'll think about trying to get there early enough for all the events because it feels like everybody did celebrate the year yeah in a big way and we didn't really get a chance to celebrate it at all we celebrated in our own way yeah in that meeting room right next to the we had pete thamel lost his voice he partied so hard that's what i'm saying he's celebrating the year we didn't even get it up oh next year's miami we got two restaurants we know we know we got to go to well i don't know if they're still gonna let us in there because both of them tried to open the kitchen up for us and we decided not to go.
Sitting reservations at both. That was our fault.
Situation changed. It was a storm.
It was cold. It was raining.
We had to fly over the Gulf of America. Yeah.
So what do you want from us? Gulf of what? You heard it. The GOA.
Not your NFL. Veteran Derek J.
Buller. It's down there.
Texas. Louisiana.
To the left of Florida. Yeah.
Florida. Gulf of America.
Alabama, I think, even touches it a little bit. Listen, you can have your oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico.
Don't you even think about doing it in the Gulf of Mexico. Okay.
Is that what it is? Yeah. I'm excited for these days.
We're in a wild time to be alive. Yes, we are.
Seems like a lot's happening. Theo Von C couldn't even stay together.
Bingo. Yeah, that was gimmick at scene, but still.
Yeah, He said the Bull Brothers thought it would be funny. Which? Classic Bull Brothers.

Zuck's got a lazy eye. What's that?

Yeah, I did see his eyes.

I think he was dozing in and out, just like when Elon's

eyes were going up and around.

I think he was

throwing his love.

I don't know. He ripped his heart out of his

chest and threw it to the crowd. Yes, he did.

With Zuck, Zuck's a boob guy, but

with Elon, that's actually what he was. That's not what we were saying.
We were saying their eyes because their billionaires just kind of go in places. You aren't saying it.
You're saying he did that on purpose. Elon, I think, he's got some zaniness to him.
He isn't really sure what his body's doing at all times. I mean, it looks very similar.
I hope he does. Yeah, I mean, that looks...
I opened my phone. First time, long time.
We were in the middle of a show, obviously, so I didn't get a chance to see all the festivities that were happening up there in D.C. It seemed like a lot was happening.
A lot. A lot happened up there.
So my phone, first thing I see is him throwing his heart out to the people in a very interesting way. That's the first thing I see.
I go, what the fuck? What just happened? I think he did it three times, actually. One this way, one that way, one the other way.
It's like... We all know, right? You're much smarter than I am.
I'm not the smartest person, but he was just throwing his heart out, he said. Zuck, unfortunately, he's seen it in VR, but he looked left and he said, Holy shit, we got fixed meta.
Look at those boobs. That's what I thought, but I'm not sure.
We weren't there. We have not talked to Zuck.
Just seen the videos, and that's my inference and my speculation. Joining us now is a man who had his birthday party a few years back in D.C.
Sure. Yesterday, he was down in Atlanta and watched his school, a university that has a tree dedicated to him on it, win the national championship and be at the top of the mountain once again.
Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawker.

Yay!

Hawker, these billionaires' eyes just kind of go all over the place.

I think it's what we're learning.

But what we did learn is the Ohio's...

The arms thing was a bit worrisome, I would say.

Yeah.

When I opened my phone, I was like,

oh, A.I.'s trying to get him.

A.I.'s trying to kill this man. That's what I thought.
No, that was the video. He said he's throwing his whore out.
And how else can you get it from your heart, I guess? He could have took that thing around. A couple other ways.
He could have thrown it like a baseball. What if he would have taken it out, flipped it himself? He's more of a cricket guy from South Africa.
Well, then he should have. What if he did do a full on? That would have been much better.
Yeah. He should have.
Really, anything would have been better. Yeah.
The throwing option that he chose. Yeah.
It's tough. Not great.
Yeah, he could have done a two-hander, you know. Chest pass? You don't go backhand.
You don't go backhand your heart to everybody. Duble? Oh, you think he goes.
You think he could have. Yeah.
Kind of like a YMCA. Oh, yeah, because I've seen that whole group.
Is that the same band from back in the day? I mean, Bush stole the show. He's on at least 100 milligrams.
George Dubbs. Holy shit, I'm in my own world right now.
And then he hits a moment of, no, there's a lot of people here. Tighten up.
We've all been there. We've all been there.
Wow. This is a good time.
Oh, shit. There's probably cameras on me.
We're happy. We're smiling.
We're looking around. Oh, my God.
I'm hilarious. I need a beer.
Is anybody else thinking what I'm thinking? All right. Holy shit.
Going Applebee's after this? Whoa. What a moment.
Lady next to him, obviously. Not a topic of discussion at all and everything.
Nope. All right.
Hey, congrats to everybody in D.C. Sound like a one-off.
Well, yeah. Billy Ray Cyrus stole the show.
Hey, he's Rob Zombie. Yeah, he's still doing it.
Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Is that what Billy Ray's doing? That was awesome to see.
I didn't hear what he performed. I just saw it kind of went over like a lead balloon.
Was there any real American beer around there? Yeah. Was there ever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You weren't getting out of that place unless you drank at least a six or a real American beer.

That was a fun little thing because we were so busy all day to catch up with everything that had happened.

So by the time I got to see it all, it was after the national championship as we were traveling home.

And then whenever I get home at night and I can't sleep because of everything that happened, I'm just staring at the ceiling.

It's like I'm scrolling through.

So all the things that have gone very big

are just one after another.

And I'm watching this thinking, Jesus Christ,

the inauguration was quite a gathering.

Oh, yeah.

And is Barron Trump eight feet tall?

Yes.

He is like 6'6", at least, right?

Does he got a...

You know, we asked Scott Van Pelt.

Yeah.

Does Barron got a little...

I wonder if he could... You think he could back SVP down and dunk on him? SVP said he could still dunk You believe that? Yep, I do At what point in his life do you think he was just yamming on everybody Because he said it would be an ugly dunk now But back in the day And did you see those two people Scott Van Pelt, thank you for joining us And then doing the show afterwards may be HBP.
And then doing the show afterwards. He's a worker.
He had a great college football season. And Stanford Steve, you are a guy.
He's awesome. To all the people at Game Day, obviously, thank you.
Last night was fun, though, man. It was crazy that the whole world wasn't paying attention to just college football yesterday because of how many things were going on.
But that national championship obviously should have been hyped through the roof. The ticket prices were through the roof.
And then the game lived up to expectation. We're now one sleeper move for you, a man who was getting emotional on the sideline as it was all taking place, as emotional as a human that is built like A.J.
Hawk is built can possibly be. And obviously your first reaction to deflect anything was, we got to think about next year.
Yeah, that was your first reaction. But now that you got a chance to sleep, to sleep on talk to the kids I assume you talk to the wife obviously you're back in Ohio around the people how's it feel knowing that the Buckeyes are once again kings of college ball that has to be great over there in the state of Ohio yeah it's awesome man I mean that is the the standard in Ohio for Ohio State is a national championships that's that's the biggest you know That's how how you kind of rank yourself or I guess, you know, compare eras of Ohio State football and the fact that they were able to do this, especially with, we talked about on the way home, like you've got to win four huge games to win the national championship now with this 12-team playoff.
Like it's an absolute slog of the end of your season after you go through a long, rigorous, regular season. So the fact they're able to do this is it was awesome man yeah i mean i was obviously very happy for ryan day his family everyone else around him hopefully they can they can enjoy this thing for a few days before you really have to to get back on the grind but we know we know they're probably calling recruits in the locker room afterwards ryan day had a moment in the locker room where he said we're national and they did the uh right here and they go that moment right there is that the weight of the world getting lifted off of that guy's kind of back and shoulders that have been looming over top of him you know because urban won truss won what's this guy done that's literally what he said third all-time leader in winning percentage as a coach with at least 70 games coach or something like that.
I forget to say a lot of games or whatever it is. And it's like he was never able to be happy like in the state of Ohio because he hadn't done it yet.
Can't be happy. Your family is obviously going to have to live this ride with you every single day.
And then they finally get the job done for the state of Ohio. It's like that had to be said i don't say a relief but

a relief yeah for ryan day in that moment and it's definitely right i don't want to like overstate

this and i don't want ryan day to think we're like um talking as if he's the one complaining

because i do not have that type of relationship with him i'm just saying from outside looking in

knowing the situation pretty good i i said this on game day i'm from pittsburgh i'm in school at

west virginia now i'm in indiana okay i have ohio and i have had a relationship basically my entire life college a lot of ohio because my holder was an ohio guy it's like i i feel like i understand the ohio people a little bit i have a lot of respect for the ohio people but i also understand that if the ohio people don't care for you they don't care like that is just like uh that's not a group just like injers just like injers just like mass holes it's not like a group that is just like very forgiving and if they're done with you there it's like thanks for coming let's get another one in here that could do this and it felt like ryan day was inching towards that not saying he was at that point but certainly inching towards that seemingly every single season that he was there win win win win win can't be happy though why not well you didn't win a game have you won the big 10 by the way you haven't even won to have you won the national you haven't won shut up actually you beat illinois way to go yeah indiana's good this year that was a good win all right let's see have you won anything else then he wins the national championship it's like all those things at least are quieted for what at least a year you would think for his life and it's like that i think that's why everybody's so happy for him it's like brother you're allowed to be happy and uh with the success that you've had now for the first time not that that isn't everywhere that there's high expectations but definitely in the state of ohio aj yeah i mean we we know like all the big time like blue blood programs out there like this is you're expected to to compete for national titles every single year and ohio state is no different when it comes to that. Just look at the roller coaster of a season that they have had.
You think about all the work you put into it, both these teams getting to where you're at to actually find a way to get it done when it truly matters and for your guys to play best when the lights are brightest, as they say, in all these huge games. They hit the ground running with that Tennessee game in the first playoff game.
We were there, and there was a different feel about the team, I think, once the playoffs started. Like Kirk said earlier, Kirk's a big team guy.
I think you saw that. You saw that from both these teams, though, Notre Dame and Ohio State.
These dudes, in an era when you get recognized, you get rewarded for being an individual sometimes, like, both these teams felt like, hey, they love each other, they're a team, and they wanted to do this thing together. And no one was, like, didn't feel like there was any selfishness either.
Like, they all just figured it out, and they loved playing. And it was fun watching them.
Like, it was fun watching both these teams play. But I just, like I said before, I'm kind of like a football defensive nerd

when I watch these dudes play.

How they tackle, how physical they are,

how disciplined they are.

It's just awesome.

It's a thing of beauty to watch.

It was very good football.

And you talk about that team thing.

That was Judkins running all over the place.

This is Jeremiah Smith.

He's a freshman, true freshman.

Has to play college football for two more years.

Okay, so we appreciate him

for everything he did this season. Can't wait to watch him for the next two years uh with the buckeyes we assume obviously the buckeyes will be able to keep up with any offer anywhere he goes but you talk about judkins transfers in from mull and miss travion henderson's already there okay and there was numerous times where henderson was the hero henderson's the number one guy nobody was even talking about judkins even on game day i'd say they got henderson and judkins who's really good and it would almost be like yeah henderson henderson though henderson's the guy because they want to talk about jeremiah smith they want to talk about all the other stars we're not talking about both running back it's like judkins was a guy at old miss oh yeah he is a guy in college ball and you never heard him bitch right never when henderson was a superstar for a game never heard him when he was the guy going never heard henderson talk about that's in their own room it's like with they're all getting paid okay massive respect for all of them so they can say my my check clears and people can certainly have that mindset but ego gets in the way of that all the time and it's like in that particular locker room when everybody could have turned they didn't well warranted for them to be national champions and now they're already putting out yeah huge kick too by jayden who had a hell of a playoff that kid his kid's really good look how thin he is yeah i don't know how he hits the ball so far i it doesn't make a lot of sense he he's a good this kid's a good kicker and he's had some big kicks four big games to win the national championship and i guess the team gets a buy will only have to only have do three or whatever.
And if they do the reseeding, who will it be that gets the bye? And do you want the bye? I mean, there's a whole other conversation in there. But season was great.
And a lot of clutch moments out of these boys. It was great.
But the run, like the four-game run that AJ talked about when we were playing the video game, that's when I really realized, damn, it's a long ass. See, what's their final record? 15-1 or 14-2? That's damn near NFL season.
But the run, all two score wins in the final four, beat the shit out of Tennessee, beat the dog shit out of Oregon. Then you go and beat Texas in a big game where you end up winning by two scores in Notre Dame fights, but you put the foot on the neck and make the big play when you need it to.
Like, it's one thing to put together a team, you know, on a video game or on paper, but when you bring – you create that culture. You know, the Captain Jacks and Simons and those guys of the world, and you bring in the Caleb Downs, you bring in the Jenkins, and those guys just fit right in.
And then you put that product out there. The coaches, Chip Kelly coming in and kind of happened to take a backseat almost.
You know, being a coordinator, not being a head coach. A guy that's been a head coach in college in the NFL.
And you come in and dial it up like he's done. The assassin Jim Noles getting these guys on the same page.
I mean, just everything you saw from this team, from the sideline, the pregame vibes, the postgame. You could tell they love each other.
They play for each other. And obviously the talent is there as well.
Well, and you you brought up depth before with the nil like that's the thing with judkins and those guys is that they have these studs you know backing up other guys or splitting time with other guys and i feel like you saw that with notre dame being a huge problem like they lost their best d tackle uh yeah riley moss yeah there it is and the dude who came in after him probably a great player great player. But he was 6'1".
He didn't have the size. There was a little meat disparity.
There was a meat disparity. And the right guard for Ohio State, he was a backup.
Not like that, D-butt. Okay? Not like that.
Continue. I'm sorry.
I got to grow up. Yeah, get your head out of it.
You tired? I got a little loopy. You're a tired.
Yeah, a little bit of a loopy. A little loopy.
But there was like a backup meat disparity. The right guard for Ohio State, he started the semifinal, I believe, but he was still a backup.
But he was driving that dude back multiple times. And I feel like that is the big thing with NIL that's going to either change stuff or make that disparity even greater because there is a chance that nothing really does change per our sources and there's a chance that you know something does happen where maybe there is more of a level playing field i don't know if it really matters in the end because people are going to want to go play for ryan day more schools get a shot shot yeah yeah more chance and a lot more fun but you know with 12 and you still count down to one so It it might not matter and it might, but it feels like the money was very well spent for Ohio State.
West Virginia is coming. I hope so.
Great period. You never know.
I hope we don't lose half your roster for those workouts in the winter. That is a little bit of a fear.
Well, actually, no. You'll whittle down to who really wants to be there.
That's what it does. Yeah, but what about the guys that already got signed by? Yeah.
People joke, but legitimately, West Virginia, think about the teams this year with IU and BYU. SMU.
IU, SMU, BYU, Arizona State. Vandy was supposed to have won two games this year.
There was a ton of teams this year because of NIL, because of the transfer portal, who traditionally could not get guys in just from recruiting. They just weren't going to get it in recruiting and compete, but now they can, and it's awesome.
And it feels like SIG has reloaded down in Bloomington. I assume Vandy is going to continue to be able to sell.
Nashville is awesome. Yeah, beautiful.
Especially if they have money, which they had to for Diego to go down there. Stadium's, I think, finally done.
Okay, so they have a stadium. That's great news.
They're down there in the SEC, and literally everybody thought the same exact thing about Vandy. Even people that went to Vandy were like, Nashville's great.
Yeah. Like that in our baseball team, right? Yeah, very good.
They're like a baseball school, but now they can be a football school. It's like I know Rich Rodriguez feels very good about who he got out of the transfer portal.
I think I'm going to learn more about that entire thing now because of my relationship with Coach Rod over there at West Virginia than ever. It's like who he's finding because the transfer portal.
Yeah, massive. Huge.
There's a lot of people in there. I mean, last year they could put together an entire conference, right, with the players that were in there.
Yeah, it was like over 1,500 or something. Like there is a lot of players in there.
So if you have an eye and can find your people you can you can flip a team now you're gonna have to do it again but the good news is it feels like you're gonna continue to have a massive pool to pull from it's like finding your people is a big deal in the transporter which is why marcus freeman incredible job with riley leonard scouted him saw him this is the guy i don't want to be here same with ryan day and Chip Kelly with Will Howard. Or was Will Howard already there before Chip Kelly? I don't know.
I know Will Howard signed, what, January 4th of last year, they said. I don't know exactly when Chip signed on.
So he would have been here before Chip then, right? Yeah, before Chip. Yeah, right before Chip.
Bill O.B. was the OC before he took the BC job.
Boston College job. And then Chip Kelly steps down from being a head coach at a school

in the same conference to go be an offense coordinator in Ohio.

It's like it was a wild year.

Great decisions were made.

You're going to have to do that if you want to continue to win.

Let's talk about some decisions that were made or close to being made.

Allegedly, all right, not allegedly, Ben Johnson to Chicago Bears.

He's arrived.

This is always going to be home is what they say.

Oh, nice.

Congrats to him feeling it home.

Thank you. made.
Allegedly, all right, not allegedly, Ben Johnson to Chicago Bears. He's arrived.
He's how this is always going to be home is what they say. Oh, nice.
Congrats to him feeling at home. Kurt Gerbsch, he has some questions just like all of us do.
He can call great plays. Will he be able to do that in Chicago with the setup? Is he going to be able to build teams? Is he going to be able to lead a team? Is he going to be able to do everything that you need to do to have success? We're pulling for him.
We're pulling for Caleb. We're pulling for Chicago.
Okay, luck to all you on there now let's go to the new york jets organization allegedly guy who played there coached there now has become an absolute megastar as defense coordinator for the detroit lions aaron glenn is either in a second interview or in the middle of being hired to become the new york jets next head coach he's been over there he understands the building knows whenever it was good. I assume Woody has great respect for him, which means Brick Johnson has great respect for him, which is Woody's kid, which is obviously a big deal.
Aaron Glenn has been able to have success. No matter how many injuries he's had, he's been a part of building a culture.
The guy in the background right there, Kelvin Shepard with the flat bill on, former teammate of me and D-Butch, dog. Love everything about him.
I think he's a linebackers coach up there in Detroit. I think you probably look for him to maybe be the next defense coordinator somewhere.
Hot name. I have no idea where.
But whenever the Colts hired Lou Anarumo, I thought there was a chance Kelvin Shepard was going to be coming back into the building because his name's around there. Former teammate of ours.
Love Kelvin. Cannot say enough good things about Kelvin.

Oh, yeah.

Just the leader.

I assume through Harden. I've never seen him coach, obviously.

I've only seen him coach in our locker room to the young guys,

to the room that he was in, to the defense.

It's like I've never seen him actually coach other than Harden.

He's awesome.

I thought his name was going to be up.

He's in the back there.

Aaron Glenn, though, allegedly going to be the next head coach

of the New York Jets. AJ, how do you feel about that they had Salah defensive guy as the head coach now they have another potential defensive coordinator going over there to be the head coach Aaron Glenn knows the area so that's a head start what are your thoughts on AG going back to NY and slash NJ I think it makes sense I really do when you, I mean, the Jets, everything that we have heard is what goes on in the front office from the end of this season.
It feels like they need some kind of stabilizing force there. I think it always helps when you have a connection there.
He played there. He was a great player in the league.
Players absolutely respect the dude, and he seems to be a good mix of a great defensive mind, but also a dude that knows how to build culture, how to speak to a team team how to hold guys accountable so i would imagine aaron glenn is very very good in the interview process yeah i uh i got a chance to tap him up whenever the lions played against coach remember i was doing a sideline hit for nfl game day morning came in through the lions the lions entrance uh tunnel so i walked out either right before, I think right before

Dan Campbell walked out. So I got a chance

to kind of see that. I walked out at the same time

as Aaron Glenn. He came over

to add me up. I said, hey, you're doing a great job.

Cool, man. Kelvin Shepard came

over. Antoine Randlewell came and gave me

a... He was a little bit too aggressive

with the hotline.

Yeah, he's got good juice.

We've never met before. I'm from Pittsburgh, obviously,

so I'm appreciative of what he did for

the Steel City. But love how to do this.
Yeah, he's got good juice. We've never met before.
I'm from Pittsburgh, obviously, so I'm appreciative of what he did for the Steel City. But he came out and gave me a full one, so it was cool to see them.
But Aaron Glenn, they show a picture of him on the sideline. He's just sitting on the bench, just chilling, just absolutely chilling.
Then that defense with all the injuries, still bringing it. Biggest game of the year for the NFC number one seed against Minnesota Vikings.
Blitzed more than any team in the entire NFL all season long. It's like, he's a dude.
Aaron Glenn is a leader, I think, of men. And I'm excited to see him if he gets the opportunity over there in New York.
Yeah, and then that becomes probably the most important offensive coordinator hire so far in the cycle, just because they are either going to go with Aaron or we'll have to kind of start over with a young quarterback? Realistically, we all assume they're moving on from Aaron, right? Yes. See, I wonder if because they have to bring in a young guy and they're not sure what the OC is, wouldn't you want Aaron to come back? A little carryover, mentor? Yeah, have a quarterback, kind of sit for a year no matter who you take.
Yeah, but you've got to remember, a lot of these people, and I'm not saying the Jets operate differently because the owner and his son seemingly have their hands in the day-to-day operations. Yeah.
But this is why people paint over walls and shit. Because like whenever people get a chance to lead a team, they've had a vision for how they want to lead this team.
You know, like maybe Aaron fits into the vision. Maybe it is like veteran quarterback with a young quarterback behind it and if you can get one of

the Mount Rushmore players to be that quarterback he's already on contract it's like that would be great so maybe that is what a head coach is thinking that comes in there a GM that comes in there but it's like all these people have this vision of what a team is and if you're not drafted or brought in by the people that are running the team I mean I was told immediately there's no allegiance between us we did not bring you in here and it's like you were in a corner office okay with no windows okay whenever i started here kicking off a super bowl so the way you're fucking talking to me right now i think is really really sideways but that's reality of the business yeah like that is really what it is so for aaron it just it seems difficult for me to see a situation where they're like let's continue with this after how it went i I think Aaron said he'd be open to it, right? Open to anything. But in my eyes, just naturally thinking from what I've seen and my experiences, I mean, they kicked Bill Belichick out, painting over him.
They're like, let's move. Let's move along here.
They cut Peyton Manning here, you know, in Indianapolis. I think that has kind of made my feelings the way it is.
They cut Peyton Manning. They paint it over the wall.
I mean, that's like, we want to go a different direction. Maybe they keep Aaron, though.
Maybe they keep Aaron because they want a veteran quarterback to teach a young guy so you can get a young guy and kind of Patrick Mahomes behind Alex Smith, Jordan Love behind Aaron Rogers, which is working out, right? Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, we're

going to need to see a little bit more development

next year. Obviously, you're going to need to take another step

next year, but yeah, I'd say so.

Okay, Aaron behind Brett, but

maybe that is the case, but for me, I feel

like we're in an NFL where it's like

people have a vision of what they want their team to be

and they're allowed... Sean Payton

got the Russell Wilson deal and was like,

I don't like it, I want to...

They're like, well, it's the biggest dead cap in history. I don't care.

We will figure it out. Make it work.
And it's like from what reports were, he was trying to not make that work. Right.
So he could go – Potentially. We're not 100% sure.
We were just saying seemingly with the lack of success that they had, some of it had to be on purpose. But it's like, I don't know.
I guess there is a chance. But in my eyes, it's like, I think Aaron Rodgers is going to be – Now but it's like i don't know i guess there is a chance but in my eyes it's like i think aaron rogers gonna be maybe back at free agency yeah recruited yeah maybe he's gonna be a hired gun somewhere yeah that's what i'm thinking there's a chance that that's gonna take place it's reality i think in my eyes that's reality but maybe i'm wrong yeah maybe he would want a fresh start as well because obviously it's got to be mutual that he would want to come back and do that same thing.
But, I mean, that's the first thing you look at

if you're taking a head coaching job.

Like, who is the quarterback or what is the plan at quarterback?

You've got to figure that out.

And obviously with Sean Payton, he had the Russ year.

Figured that out pretty soon, it felt like.

But it was a very good quarterback class coming up in that next year.

We don't have that.

They're not calling this a very strong quarterback class.

So, of course, Aaron Glenn's going to consider that. But, you know, he can connect with the guys.
As a player, he did. As a coach, he did.
I've seen some Mike dealt with him. Great stuff.
He just talked about the business of it, cutting Peyton, seeing these big names. He had a story where he went into Parcells' office when he was a player.
I guess Parcells, there was some rumors about him wanting bigger corners. He was going to trade him, so he just went in his office.
Like, hey, you trade me. If you're going to trade me, trade me.
Parcells was like, hey, it's a price on everybody's head. It's a price on my wife's head.
Somebody put the right price, she's out of here too. So he was like, nothing changed with their relationship.
He respected them more. He took it.
And that's like the nature of the business. So I think him being able to connect the guys on that level, you don't have the same concerns of, hey, can he stand in front of a room and demand that room that you may have the question you have with Ben Johnson.
You know, he's a great play caller and a coordinator, but can he control those rooms and command those rooms? We shall see with both of these guys. But, you know, Aaron Glenn, I think he'll be a good coach, but you got to figure out that quarterback position.
Jordan Travis of Florida State is in the Jets quarterback room, right? Yes. And if we recall what he was in college, I mean, he was great.
Got injured, obviously had to sit out. We talked to him in Dublin.
Thanks to him for coming on the program. That was awesome.
It was an awesome conversation, so much fun. So people really got a lot out of it.
Yeah, I know I did. That's what people would say out of that right age.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I was a viewer.
Yeah, a lot. That was a really good one.
That was one of the best ones ever. But anyways, he's with the Jets right now.
You know, what does the rest of the quarterback room look like? And maybe he does go there because he has Aaron Rodgers, too. Like, yeah.
Aaron Glenn, Hawk Bondi. He could be hired at a lot of different places.
It seems like with the way Schefter was talking

and the way everybody else was talking.

He chose the Jets. Ben Johnson's

allegedly. We don't know if it's going to

get figured out, but seemingly it's going to get figured out.

Ben Johnson, Chicago Bears.

Aaron Glenn, Jets. Let's just say

that's the case. Sure.
Those are the

only two, right? The top two.

Now we got Raiders.

Cowboys. Saints.
what everybody said. Yep.
Now we got Raiders. Yep.
Cowboys. Yep.
Saints. Yep.
Jaguars. Yep.
Who's the next domino to fall? I keep forgetting about the next of you. Yeah, nobody knows.
I do too. Nobody really remembers the Jaguars.
And they got a quarterback that they paid. Yeah.
Who's there? That's right. Mm-hmm.
Believer? In Trevor Lawrence? Yep. I mean, I don't think they're beating the Houston Texans anytime soon.
Oh, Houston Texans are so good. And the AFC South as a whole is just tough.
See, I'm not saying that. I disagree.
I mean. Completely.
Have you heard? Yeah. That's big news.
What's the news? Have you heard? Oh, Luana Rumo?

Defense coordinator for the Indianapolis Colts.

I did hear.

Another Paisan coming to the city.

That's good news.

Maybe we'll get another Italian restaurant.

Another Fazol's?

No.

Fazolini's is already running wild, brother.

Amen.

We could use another one.

I'm sure there's a Fazolini's popping up somewhere.

I hope so. But we need another Mama Carolla's.
We need another. Bucca de Beppo.
No. Now we're talking.
Bucca de Beppo. Bucca de Beppo.
That's a chain of Thai restaurants. Quality family restaurant.
You don't know Bucca de Beppo. Son of a bitch.
I just wanted to hear. People love it.
I do love Bucca de Beppo. I mean, Bucca de Beppo is a great spot.
OG too. Fantastic.
Okay. All of course.
Fazolini's. Listen, whenever you need it you gotta eat it's it's there yeah it is certainly piping hot what's that margiano's margiano is also good we're heading we're heading in the right direction i love margiano's but we're talking about like actual italian places where it's a book in a bubble like okay i see what you're saying not book at a purple strictly because book ofppo was so good at marketing, they got too big.
We're talking about something that isn't in every single city that you go to. We're talking about places that you can only find.
Where Italians live. In Indiana, fun fact, no Italians live.
None. It's great.
I was actually saying the complete opposite.

I was saying we need more. Lou Anarumo coming out here is good news.
We've got more Italians coming out here. But it isn't about Lou Anarumo with the Colts.
You know the story of the Indianapolis Colts right now, is AJ? What's that? Anthony Richardson's got it figured out. Whoa.
Just like Josh Allen put the lasers on and learned how to complete a pass in the NFL. Aethi Richardson has hired the same exact mechanic technological advancement operator coach.
So that's what we got going on here in Indianapolis. Paisans coming to town.
Lou Anarumo, a lot of experience, a lot of weapons on that defense side of the ball. I think pretty similar to Gus Bradley in his style.
So don't know how that necessarily correlates. Hopefully it it does with lou maybe the message got a little dry with gus we're big lou anarumo fans around here yeah huge love lou hope he does well great guy good conversations with us this is a big story though here this is a big story because if anthony richardson uh is able to take advantage of all the talent that his body currently has colts could potentially be a problem like actually be a problem and uh obviously if you find out the laser stuff and you get the information the biggest piece of that is the work that you have to put in on that you know it's like it's good it's good to have the reservation but can you can you hold yeah the resume that's key it's good to get the information can you can you activate it and I think that's a good first step right there anthony richardson saying i need to learn i want to get better and i think he's going to dive in remember they said whenever he got benched it was a nice life lesson he said a lot of it's come out that a lot of the ogs have come up and been like hey like you got to be like a professional so maybe he's just learning on the job he's very young he high ceiling.
This is the first step. I think we're in a great spot with Anthony.
That's what we always say. You've got to learn how to be a pro.
You don't just wake up one day and be a pro. So you've got to learn how to be a pro.
And sometimes that's communities even outside of your locker room. And the punting, kicking game is the same way.
You see tight end university, the pass rush summit. So reaching out know also reaching out to different things and figuring things out so obviously the work has to go into it just like you're changing the jump shot you got to be a gym rat you're changing the golf swing you got to work at it so the same thing with this and this is the comp with any big athletic quarterback with a big arm maybe some accuracy issues they're gonna say hey remember josh allen his first yep 40 starts whatever it is look what he's's become now, an MVP caliber type player.
So as a Colts fan, I'm hopeful. And I'm still optimistic.
Me too. Big step, in my opinion.
I need a good piece of information. No doubt.
It's not a bad thing. Thank you.
I'm pretty excited about it because he's here for the next four years. If I was a fan of the Colts, I'd be pumped.
Yeah, I am. Because what granted, the amount of work that goes in is a big part.
A lot of reps. That's the thing.
Muscle memory is created how? All by reps. Because then your muscle, guess what? It remembers.
Are you sure he can't just wear it under your pads and it beeps when it's like, you want an exoskeleton? That's cheating. Hey, if the Houston Astros were able to win a World Series, I'd take a Super Bowl in Indianapolis.
Well, we need two before 2030, so... Get on it.
Well, this is the first step to it. Lasers, brother.
Lasers are coming in to save the day for the Indianapolis Colts. That's good news for all of our community.
Yeah, great news. And they have blue uniforms, so that doesn't hurt either.
But again, when it comes down to it, is A.R. going to be able to stay healthy?

Is he going to be able to stay on the field?

That's another conversation.

I think so.

Because this year, he was able to slide a little more.

It felt like he.

Yeah, I think he only missed like.

He only tapped out once.

Yeah, he didn't really miss for injuries. No, he did.
Oh, really? Remember, end of the season, it felt like. Yeah, I think he only missed like...
He only tapped out once. Yeah, he didn't really miss for injuries.

No, he did.

Remember, end of the season, he had back

that he's had since 8th grade.

Which I think everybody was just learning of.

Their season ended week 12. That's why.

I forgot about those last

couple games.

No, we were still lurking.

Yeah, we were lurking. No, I don't.

You were, but not really. Oh, I don't want to hear it.
We were there until the last day, brother. I don't want to hear it.
Lurked until the very end. All right, the New Orleans Saints head coaching position is still open, and Alvin Kamara has spoke about it.
He put out a tweet that says, my vote for head coach rhymed with fizzy. I believe he's saying Darren Rizzi.
Okay. Who was special teams coordinator for the new orleans saints for a long time then he became the interim head coach for the new orleans saints after dennis allen was fired and i'll tell you what he's a fiery lad he loves ball he's been cutting his teeth in football for college nfl been there done that was always himself i don't think he changed one time no not one time no first day on, he walks in, goes into head coaching office, dumps all over the place, clogs the pipes, and then says, I gotta go win a football game.
And he did. And he absolutely did.
He chewed out his punter whenever they went back to MetLife because he hit the ball to the wrong side of the field. So he expects a little bit of accountability and he has high expectations for his team.
Alvin Kamara's a pretty important guy. He got a deal.
He got like a three-year extension or whatever last season in the middle of all this. So him talking about Rizzi that way, Riz got to feel good about this, first of all.
About, okay, my message was hitting home. It wasn't just all bullshit.
And New Orleans Saints ownership front office obviously has to read this and say, okay, Alvin Kamara has spoken on the situation. Big Mike McCarthy, maybe going down New Orleans, right? That name that's being circulated.
Who else is being down? Aaron Glenn was someone who they really talked about. I know the Jets are making a big-time push, but they said he was scheduled for a second interview with the Saints, but they got a really bad snowstorm, so they've had to cancel all in-person interviews until later this week, so that might be one of the reasons why he's interviewing with the Jets today.
And the idea is they don't want to let him out of the building. They want to try to hire him.
That's a good leverage position for AG to be in. I hope he knows that he should.
This deal should at least have a couple more M's. There's a snowstorm that came through.
I don't know if you saw LSU Tiger Mike. Yeah.
He was in a sanctuary that they have built for him out there sure snow this this

this tiger's laying in snow out there not good it's uh winter this is crazy how cold it's very cold it was unbelievable how cold it was in atlanta did you see like minnesota north dakota the temperatures up there negative 62 i heard what is that real how do they measure that i don't know you you measure the absence of temperature I don't but I appreciate that they do but boy like I don't know how you go about getting that number and uh how do you know the wind chill especially when it gets like negative 20 because whenever we landed here in Indianapolis this morning the projected a couple days ago was negative 24 whenever you land is what it's going to be it's's like, how do they measure that? Talk to Cantore. Cantore's got to know.
And then negative 62 is like, can you get the, how far negative can you get? I'd say you're dying if you're going out in negative 62. Yeah, I don't know.
Thankfully it's happening now and not. And what can matter handle? I don't want to sound like too much like scientist, but what can matter handle? Is negative 100? Yeah, it's cold as shit.
Atlanta was so cold. I couldn't believe that.
There's that little space where we were at where you walk out of the hotel and then you can still walk to the stadium. And you'd get the little heat of still being in the hotel.
And you'd be like, oh, this isn't that bad. Beautiful.
And then that wind would hit you in the face. and then you can still walk to like the stadium and like you'd get like the little heat of like still being in the hotel and be like oh this isn't that bad then that wind would hit you in the face and it was like okay like it's it's 10 degrees out here what the hell is going on i thought it was supposed to be 65.
Those stadiums where that lady drove that golf cart right into the wall that was right in front of her those those are just wind tunnels yeah back yeah they were just freezing cold back there. And obviously, it's a jovial event until, oh, what's that? Bang! Broken axle.
Congrats, you won the national championship. Have you talked to anybody on that golf cart? Have you talked to AJ since the moment? I have not spoken to anybody, but luckily, it seems like they're all healthy.
Like, you know, Ryan Day's foot wasn't completely smashed against the ball. I appreciate that she was just willing to go ahead and lift that thing up off the wall, back it up, and then she was just going to drive normal, and they were just going to stay in the golf cart.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was like, yeah, they'll stay in here with me, no problem.
Just crash this thing right into a wall. We'll just get them to...
As soon as that happens, my first reaction, much like theirs, is, all right, one of these types of things. Ryan Day, literally that right foot.
Could have been bad. I mean, that could have been real.
Oh, yeah. How old is Ryan Day? 45? Something like that, yeah.
I mean, the bones don't make like they used to. Oh, no, you're breaking every bone in your foot if that thing gets pinned up against the wall.
I've heard of stories like that. That's rule number one on the golf course.
Never hang your leg out of the golf cart. Yeah, but it's hard not to run that thing.
It's really fun. It's hard not to do one of these right here like you're kicking a skateboard.
It's so much fun just letting it just kind of dang it. It feels free.
It feels so free whenever you're doing it. Just let this thing ride.
Thankfully that trend ended. Which one? When people People just running over each other at golf courts.
The internet does some shitty things. That was one of them.
Bring that back. Those are so funny.
Those were stupid. Stopped when that guy took his stand on the golf course.
Tried to fight everybody. Took his tarp off.
Anytime there is a golf course fight, I enjoy it. I enjoy it whenever the groups

you know, you hit and I say,

fuck you. Yeah.

You simply use the tee balls up in the middle of the fairway

and drive them back.

I love that move.

Dude, we're golfing.

We're sitting in our golf cart. Probably leg out.

I got my leg out. He's probably got his leg out.

We're waiting on somebody's green.

Having a pint. Probably a couple, maybe.
Music playing, good music. Good vibes.
And then all of a sudden, golf cart gets hit. Okay? So then it's like, you turn around and do one of these.
Hey, hey, hey, we're waiting. Then two, three holes later, ball runs by.
Golf cart is sitting in there. Big, yup, just gets up.
Takes a ball, gets a tee. Tees it up.
I go, what are you? What are you doing?

Goes to his bag. That was a really good AQ

walk, by the way.

In my head, I'm back on the course right now.

Driver out. Full on lineup.

Says hey to them.

And then

drives one right back.

One of the purest drives I've ever seen.

I'm like, oh, we're fighting. Okay, we are fighting

on a golf course.

No one's fighting Kish. Who's pulling up to AQ trying to fight him once they see that giant? Zero balls got drove into us.
I was going to say, people know when they're doing that kind of stuff. Like, all right.
All right. We're definitely in the wrong here.
You just can't be doing that on the golf course. I have no idea where that ball went.
Like, did that go over their heads? Did they buzz through? I have no idea. But it was certainly on the trajectory of it.
And he was so happy. Puts the tee up.
Like he put it on the fairway. Sits back down.
I don't think he watched it land. It's like...
He knows. He's down.
Probably hit his range runner. That was magic.
That was one of the best moments on a golf course that I've had in some time. It came, it came out of nowhere.
Just having a good time, singing a song. Ball rolls by.

Oh, maybe we'll cover it with grass or something.

Yeah.

Or you run it over.

You got to run it over and plug it.

Yeah, plug it.

Plug it, maybe.

Something like that for sure. But AQ, just getting another ball out, full T, fucking driver back out,

pick the tail.

I was so worried.

That's awesome.

Yeah, he was not happy about it.

It kind of ruined the rest of the realm.

It was a good moment.

It was.

We didn't get drove into it the rest of the time uh other news happening around uh the nfl um the philadelphia mayor okay wasn't able to get uh the entirety uh here's here's the city and uh it's mayor trying to rally an entire town and community to come together around the Philadelphia Eagles. Let me hear you all say E-L-D-S-E-S Eagles! Yeah, every once in a while it's going to happen.
Let's go, birds. We'll stick with that one.
Got nailed that. I mean, it's not easy, dude.
You know, because A and L do sound similar. So, like, E, A, E, A, you know, similar.
Sure. Yeah.
Similar sounds if you're here in a group doing it, you know? I suppose. Yeah, but I think the Eagles are in a good spot.
Although, not everybody can spell it. I think the Eagles are in a great spot.
I love the way that team plays. They even got a little slow-mo of Saquon barkley out of nfl films in this snow game

anytime nfl films has an opportunity to you know showcase snow games i mean that's where i think back to steve sable in the frozen tundra with green bay the added touch of the snow falling and the snow on the ground is a beautiful thing for our sport and saquon barkley going to the crib while also celebrating himself in a wide open field.

This is to the crib while also celebrating himself in a wide open field uh this is this is why the nfl films folks are like scorsese yeah it's like an 8k camera the camera person has to have a perfect shot saquon's not moving out of the middle of frame here for the entirety of it all and for this particular camera you gotta have good good. And it's like great shot, great moment.
Saquon's got to be pumped that he has this forever. We kind of all wish he would have done the slide through the snow earlier, but he did his Dane and Dennis slide.
So I respect that. I appreciate it.
I like this Eagles team, I think. If you can run the ball, it's all you really need.
Now, you already said that Jayden Danos and the Commanders are going to beat the Eagles. Yep.
That was wild. I said that I could see them beating the Eagles.
I didn't say that. I didn't pick them yet.
But I said I could see this Commanders team beating them. It felt like you did, though.
It felt like you did pick them. Yeah, we'll see when we do the picks.
But, yeah. I think I even saw a couple Johns on the internet say, AJ always picks against us.
Yeah, he does. You got something against Philadelphia, AJ? Is that what it is? Oh, no.
I have a lot of respect for this Philadelphia Eagles team. I think Sirianni has been, people give him whatever they were going after him for whatever reason.
I understand there's a high standard in Philly, but no. How can you not like this Eagles team with what their defense can do and then watching Saquon? It's really fun to watch a running back break explosive runs because we don't see that a whole lot in the NFL.
The defenses are too good. We talk about the most important games you've got to be able to run.
Obviously, Ohio State last night is the epitome of that. They had two running backs that went over 1,000 yards on a season.
Whenever the games matter most, you've got to be able to run the rock. Philadelphia Eagles can definitely do that.
The only thing that's been said is Jalen can't make the throws. AQ Shipley said number one offensive line left in the playoffs, Philadelphia Eagles.
Let's rank the top eight. Eagles at six or seven.
I think it was six. Yeah, six.
And it was because Jalen can't do it. It's like you don't think you can win with just a run game? You don't think you can win with just a rhino on the defensive line stopping the run? Can the Eagles win this entire thing? Yes.
Absolutely, right? Yes, wagging on both sides of the ball. And you talk about running the ball.
Saqu like, you know, coming into the game, he's going to be a game record. I think he has 13 runs where he reached 20 miles plus per hour, twice as many as anybody else in the league.
Like, in finishing games, like, this is in the first quarter, but multiple fourth quarter big runs where it's just a dagger in the heart of that defense. So, yeah, that's the lead, Belkow.

You get the explosive plays in the run game a lot of the times.

And I think Jalen Hurts kind of plays the game where it's like, hey,

you take care of the football.

He had a turnover issue for a little stretch there.

You take care of the football and don't beat yourself.

You depend on two sixes, offensive line, and a great defense.

And at some point, when you need to make big throws,

you need to have a two-minute drive.

They have the talent, I think, at quarterback and wide receiver to get big drives done. So, yeah, I believe in this team.
I'm a little concerned about special teams, Jake Elliott. We don't know what the elements will be this weekend at home, but a little concerned there.
But Jayden Daniels, I can see him going there and making the game, six and a half points, I think it's a lot. But the Eagles definitely can win it all this year.
Yeah, be missing extra points in these games you know run stop the run don't shoot yourselves in the foot you know jake elliott missing two extra points put them in a predicament for the rest of the game uh they were able to win though coach sirianni maybe not a big dumb dipshit yeah maybe not you know but hey everybody can keep calling big dumb dipshit thinking he's a big dumb dipshit. That's fine.
That's fine. He doesn't do anything, right?

Everybody else coached you.

Vic Fangio, he does the defense.

Kellen Moore does the offense.

What does Sirianni actually do?

All he does is yell at fans.

That's really all he does is turn around, yell at the Johns in the stands,

and worry about where he's going to get cheesesteak after a game.

That ain't what it's about.

No, it's not.

Eagles fans love Sirianni.

Just like Ryan Day at Ohio State.

There were some people that maybe weren't. Just like Ryan Day at Ohio State.
You know?

There were some people that maybe weren't all in on Ryan Day over in Ohio.

He's going to have to win before I crown him.

You know how some Ohio State fans probably felt for Ryan Day.

Feels like Eagles fans have the same thought for Sirianni.

They would win games on these particular overreaction tweets,

which we will be reading on YouTube, ESPN+, Disney+,

and still TikTok Live.

They were not happy with Sirianni.

No.

Nope.

If he wins, would he have won their trust over, you think?

I would think so.

I mean, going to two super bowls and what four years

winning one of them like that's i mean come on what are we talking about very good they turned on doug peterson pretty quick like it doesn't take long they got a statue of that guy yeah doug had a situation too though where nick foals goes unconscious you're kind of franchise guy that you pay that also kind of straps you with cash goes down. A little tougher.
Air Boone's here at the end of the first half? Nick doesn't get enough credit. He doesn't get enough credit.
And I know we definitely support him here, but what the Lions are going to have to do, replacing those coordinators, like Nick has had to do multiple times already in his tenure, they're bringing in Vic Fangio. Fangio, who some people were out on, especially Dolph fans.
What you guys saying? It might be Fangio over. He got the boys rolling.
I remember that. Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, who people were calling the bus halfway through the year.
He's come along, sweat. Cooper Dejean, rookie.
We mentioned about a lot of guys who you wouldn't expect coming in this year. Zach Bond being a damn near defensive player of the year this year.
What they've been able to do on defense. Then Kelly Moore.
He'll probably be a head coach again next year. Kelly Moore.
Sorry, locked in. Cowboys.
Cowboys? Oh, yeah. That's what Pac-Man said.
Pac-Man also thought Ben Johnson was going to the Raiders. All these things could potentially be taking place and then ownership comes in and goes, nah.
This is over. Was Ben Johnson ever going to the Raiders? I don't think so.
I think just Brady maybe. Why would, yeah, I'm very confused on why.
I think Ben was going somewhere with the quarterback. That was Schefter's big thing too.
Oh, you don't like A. When we talked to him last week.
Everyone's saying Ben Johnson to the Raiders. That is not a done deal.
Yeah, Schefter said that. Friday? Yeah, I think it was the last time he was on.
Also, Ben Johns. Monday was Monday.
Ben Johns is getting 13 mil. Kevin O'Connell is getting 20.
Nope. That's nope.
And if not, fucking trade him to the Dolphins. Kevin O'Connell? Yeah.
You guys got Mike McDaniel. Yeah, he can be part of the deal.
What are you talking about? If a first-time head coach is getting 13 million, there's no way way Kevin O'Connell is not getting $20 million on the last year of his contract. In his own division? They announced that Ben Johnson is getting $13 million? That's what came out yesterday.
Okay. Kevin O'Connell is about to get $20 million a year.
Andy Reid is about to go renegotiate whatever his deal. Everybody is about to go to the renegotiating table if Ben Johnson just got $ 13 million dollars if the scale that shefter told us the other day is accurate now it's tuesday so i don't remember any of these what days or what year did today feel like a monday to you a little bit yeah definitely national championship on monday night how do we feel about it isn't that how they've kind of always done it i mean i like it's a standalone deal i kind like it.
Yeah, and people watch football on Monday nights. Monday night football is a thing.
Feels like we got too extended here into the NFL playoffs, though. A little bit too long.
That's why you have to. I mean, with how good those NFL games were, too, you can't put a college game anywhere in there.
So then they also said that the NFL and the CFP are going to work together to not have to have overlapping weekends like they did on the first round. And Roger Goodell said you got to talk to God on this one, brother.
Christmas is on Wednesday. We're going to have to do a Saturday game.
That's just wait. Good news for you.
It's on Thursday next year. Don't worry about it.
And there's no problem there. So we'll definitely work with you until Christmas on Wednesday.
And then we're going to have to do Saturday, you see,

because the amount of break that we need to give our players needs remain the same,

especially if it's all our big-name players.

So we'll work with you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You've got to work with the schedule, though.

Who's that, the Romans?

What's the case?

The Roman calendar.

You're going to have to work with the Romans, maybe,

to get the calendar figured out.

But until then, we're on your side here.

But they're talking, though.

NFL, CFP.

Okay, that's big. Started with two.
Counting down to one. That's huge.
Hopefully they're on one side. You can make week zero, week one.
But, man, how hot is it in the south in what, August 20th? Make all southern teams have to play a northern team to start the season. Bingo.
Let's just do it. Up north.
So you got to play up north. It's bullshit.
They already got to do it the first round. It's also still.
Well, hey, win more games, then you don't have to. Fair point.
Hey, by the way, the north kind of. Belt to ass.
Won again. I'm not saying that SEC football isn't special.
It's an honor to get down there. But these northern teams have a lot to say these days.
They're getting awfully chirpy, and they got a lot of rings all of a sudden. Look, it's it honor to get down there but these northern teams have a lot to say these days they're getting awfully chirpy and they got a lot of rings all of a sudden we'll continue on youtube disney plus espn plus and tiktok live we'll see you tomorrow goodbye i think we nailed it i think we nailed it right on cue the tax deadline is almost here and tax act has live experts to help answer any last minute questions questions you may have.
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Football! It's wonderful. We're lucky to talk about it every single day, especially the day after the national championship.
That's A.J. Hawk, a representative of the Ohio State every single day.
Now he can say, once again, the Buckeyes are national champs. National champion quarterback Will Howard will join us in about 10 to 15 minutes or so.
Can't wait to catch up with him. The Talks of Today was here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt.
One half of the hammer. Cowboys AP Tone is here.
Nine-year NFL vet. The incredibly cool host of Everything DB.
Good D, bad D, Darius J. Butler is here.
And ladies and gentlemen, since we weren't able to do it yesterday because the national championship was taking place, we didn't feel like it was right. We might as well let the football weekend end.
And then we'll put out a bird call to all football fans around the globe. Why don't you go ahead and utilize your tweet to air all your grievances let your thoughts out maybe celebrate maybe be bummed out there's been hirings obviously around the nfl there's been games won in the nfl there's been organizations that have seemingly dug themselves deeper into a hole and there's been other teams that have maybe catapulted themselves into relevancy.
I want to hear from you. All you got to use is the hashtag.
Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But.
Ended up getting to the number three overall trending topic on X in the United States. We can't thank everybody enough for participating.
Ty, how were they there? Pretty solid. You know, got a couple from the divisional round, a couple from national championship, and then a couple of the coaching ones as well.
So, you know, a nice little eclectic mix, which I enjoy. I cannot wait to hear the fans' thoughts.
Normally, these are very calm. This is from Boston Conner.
Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But how the hell did we get to the point in the season where there are only three football games left? I'm bummed out about it.
We need more ball, damn it. You're right, Con, man.
We got to think about that every single snap as we go forward here. There's not a lot of football left, Con.
No, not at all. And you got to take it in.
And I think that's a big part about yesterday. You know, watching that game was every single snap, every single drive.
It was kind of awesome. Like, you know what? This is, we don't have any more of these after this.
We're going to take it all in. And for the people replying saying, Hey, we got the USFL, whatever the fuck league it's called.
It stinks. We don't like it.
That doesn't count. All right.
It's like the TGL. Nobody said that, right? I ain't watching it.
No, I'm watching a TGL tonight. I'm just saying they haven't figured it out yet.
UFL hasn't figured it out yet. They will, though, because the Rock's big brain is on it.
But we can't be relying on spring football to scratch our football itch.

No, not at all. Nothing does.

Except for these games, damn it.

Except for the National Football League, the college football playoff hunt. That's what it's all about.

So I'm bummed out about it.

But it's just a nice reminder. Take it in

this Sunday when it's 3 o'clock,

6.30, Championship Sunday.

Because then, two weeks from then,

it's all over.

Because every snap

they take

and every play

they take

and every ball

gets snapped

and every bad mishap

we be watching

it.

Every snap. You gotta enjoy it all.
Who sings that? Good for you to get some Diddy in there. Sting.
No. Yeah, Sting in the police.
I know the original, but you were doing it. You weren't.
I don't think. Did you know Sting originated that? Yeah, I knew Sting was a poor guy.
That's that white guy. Yeah.
He's the police. Yeah, we're not talking about Faith Evans and the other guy.
Okay. I don't even know what you're talking about.
I'm talking about Sting. Who's the other guy? Are you talking about this guy? Yeah.
No, I'm talking about Sting. That's what I said.
Sting and the police. That was a remake? Yes, it was a remake.
Sting and the police is the original. All right.
Yeah, because Sting's kind of creepy. You listen to those words, actually.
For sure. Rem lot of that.
Well, actually, obviously, with everything going on in that allegation world,

but I think matter-of-fact world.

Court, when's that happening?

I don't know if we're all ready for it.

Yeah, we'll see if we'll get there.

I don't know if we're all ready for it.

That's a good call, brother.

I'm talking about the Ridge, brother.

Okay.

I'm glad you are, because I stopped singing along halfway through.

No, everyone's news. Good for you, D-Bike.
Good for you.

Something stunk in there.

And I didn't know what you were smelling.

That's that same can, right?

That's the original can still.

O-Ridge can still spraying.

Still bringing it.

Still combating D.O.

Sorry, still combating B.O.ating bo with this whole body do well there's only one person that isn't going to battle against stank ass shitty smell aj i got it get it get it get it you got me yeah yeah i'll get some that's the thing about this what we've learned here on this particular stage that maybe they weren't able to test out enough is you saw him go in front of that you can actually spray the shit on you like let's say your hand is so upset about how bad you smell it doesn't want to be near you it's all right this thing can yeah i mean this thing's got some range brother i mean this thing is uh you know whenever they say a radius or whatever is This thing's. They'll get there.
There's a lot in here. Oh, yeah.
You could have someone with COVID near you, and who knows about the rules, really. But you could probably hit them.
Social distance. Either way with a social distance.
You could probably socially distance and say, wow, you need this one, bro. Gotcha.
I know it's not what it's meant for, but I feel like this could also cover up a stinky shite if you take one. Oh, yeah.
Back pocket, maybe going into an away game. Exactly.
Taking a dump in public. Right.
You sit down, you let one loose. Like somebody did in R3 of the production room bathroom.
You did say that. R3 of the bathroom we had at the stadium.
So there was a lot of stalls, which I appreciate. I like going in stalls.
You know, especially at this point in life because, you know, people are a little weird with the cameras. I respect and appreciate the fact that people know who I am.
That's a cool thing. When that stops, obviously this all stops.
But when I'm pissing at a urinal, it's become uncomfortable. I don't love that moment.
Selfie, a lot of selfie, which means hi. So it's like, all right, so my cock's on this guy.
I don don't like it oh so i go into stalls you know so production uh office closest bathroom had a lot of stalls i'm like this is awesome first one i go in shite pile of course okay automatic uh flusher too so it's like you can't even flusher couldn't even i was there for it it was that thing is bad so then we're shutting out whoa okay second, shit. Okay.
Second one locked. All right, good on you.
Yep. Good on you.
Third one, I walk in. Clean toilet, but somebody had been there.
I mean, that thing was, I walked into a habitat of shite. I mean, it smelled.
It felt like I was eating it. I'm like, get me out of here.
The door was so disgusting. The doors went to the ground, too.
Those were nice. Yeah, it was a good stall, but it was trapped in it.

And I walked... I literally felt like the cloud of shit.

I was like, get me out of here.

So then I went in door four, kept it open,

because this one had a lot of...

There was a lot of runners.

Sure.

This thing had been destroyed a few times.

So I just kept door open while doing the thing.

I was like, get me out of here. But it was a good setup, except for what had happened before I got in there.
You saw the R1 stack? I was... That was unbelievable.
I was in there, because it was right before we were going over to do the show or whatever. You got to be prepared, because you never know where the bathroom is going to be when you go over to the show on the road.
I missed actually part of the show yesterday, because I was in there walked in and i saw i heard you go into that one and go oh oh you were in r2 the one i was in the like i think the first one as soon as you walk in oh yeah yeah okay so you were in there you did the mud stack no no no no no i was sitting down yeah i mean it was good back joining us now ladies and gentlemen is uh as we hey If you've got anybody who has some bad body odor, do them a favor and get them some Dove Mencare, Whole Body, D.O. Smells delightful, and it does the trick, so you don't have to smell like ass in public.
Thank you, Dove. Thank you, Dove.
And thank you to this man, who his performance throughout the college football playoff has been nothing short of electrifying. The offense that he has led, obviously now, to a national championship is one that was a buzzsaw that was must-see television.
And we are incredibly lucky to watch it from the end zones, on the field, watching him do his thing. Ladies and gentlemen, transferred in from Kansas State after being the big 12 player of the year the ohio state quarterback that just led the buckeyes to their first national championship since 2015 ladies and gentlemen six foot four 240 pound dog will howard what's up boys how we doing hey um i'm fantastic aj almost got emotional last night on the sideline the boys and i are a little bit tired how are you doing man you woke up a national champion this morning it was all worth it is that how you feel are you thinking back on the journey or how has today been pretty surreal for you i assume unreal man unreal it's uh it still hasn't sunk in yet you know didn't get a ton of sleep last night um just just got back here to Columbus and uh you know I'm I'm looking forward to uh to celebrating with the boys but probably gonna have to take a nap before that yeah I imagine that's normal national championship quarterback stuff last night the boys uh had a time, or what was last night like for everybody? Was it a hangout, storytelling? Was there a lot of hugging, reminiscing, boozing? What was last night like for the Ohio State Buckeyes? Oh, man, it was a lot of everything, man.
A lot of good fellowship, you know, getting together. Maybe a couple of adult beverages included in there yeah you know and uh you know we had a great time but you know we it was already so late so we kind of just hung out at the hotel and just kicked it and then hopefully you know we'll see what happens here in Columbus uh the next couple days here that's a magical moment that you guys earned man you earned it and uh I don't want to I don't want to look too far back but it's a massive piece of the story of this buckeyes team after the michigan game the flag planning thing and then the players only meeting with ryan day airing of grievances and then since this playoff thing has started your team has been like the epitome of what everybody loves about college football seemingly behind each other very free supportive and playing your absolute best did it feel like that in the moment did you feel more free during the playoffs you think why do you think your team played so great in the biggest moments for the last four yeah you know I think having to go through that last week of the season you know when you know a lot of people were doubting you know, I think there was maybe even some people in here that were, you know, experiencing a little self

doubt. And, you know, we had to come together.
And, you know, we talked about,

you know, all we have is winning it all, you know, and going out there and doing this thing

and doing it the right way. And we talked about going into the playoffs,

you know, especially playing a great team like Tennessee, You know, we needed to. Boys.
Hey. What up, lads? What up, lads? Good to see you guys.
Congratulations. Congratulations, boys.
Congratulations. You blew out the speaker.
We couldn't hear shit that you said. Get out of here.
Get out of here. Couldn't hear anything they said.
They blew out the speaker. But once again, the lads were together it was good to see them please tell them we said congratulations but you talked about how all we have is to win it all that's a lot of pressure you can put on yourself you guys seemingly played very free very very free in there yeah yeah we did it almost felt like in that first game it felt like we were kind of playing really with nothing to lose and we talked about especially you know going into that tenn, you know, we just need to get this first one, get some momentum.
And, I mean, that was an unbelievable game. We played lights out really on both sides of the ball.
And it gave us a lot of confidence going into that next Oregon game. And, you know, the way that that first Oregon game ended, you know, it just didn't sit right with really any of us.
And I knew that, you know, if we played them on a neutral field, you know, maybe some more Buckeye fans there. Like when we played there, dude, that was the loudest stadium I've ever played in.
Like I played at Texas, Oklahoma, like no question, Oregon, $65,000. I don't know if they were pumping crowd noise in.
No, no, no, no, no. Specific Northwest, brother.
They're loud. Oh, you're saying it sounded sounded fake it's not i was doing this one on the helmet go what the fuck is going on out here it was loud man it was loud but um no it was it was just you know we just picked up momentum and picked up confidence and um you know we really felt like we were playing our best ball at the end of the year and that's that's all that matters it was fun to watch uh one of the fans for you guys uh that was riding alongside the entire thing aj has a question for you will yeah will obviously congrats on everything it's amazing what you've done in your time at ohio state but can you take us through that third and 11 that deep ball to jeremiah smith he ran a beautiful route i watched him stem inside and get some you know get some separation from that db but were you going to him the whole way like what was the what's the play, and what was your plan going into this? Yeah, there was no question I was throwing that thing to four.
As soon as I got up to the line of scrimmage, you know, we called it pretty much a max protection go balls on either side, and I saw that JJ had free access, off, inside leverage, and I knew it was unfair. You know, that dude's going to go whoop him on the route um and he did a hell of a job with it i almost think i maybe held him up with the ball a little bit he probably walks in the end zone if i uh no no a little further but you know no you want to eat up more clock brother you played it right you're you're playing it was heady football in there and uh d butch was gonna ask this but since it's already got brought up, it's like, what was the conversation? Because there was a timeout beforehand by Notre Dame.
3rd and 11, you guys had gotten pretty conservative. Run, run.
Didn't know if you guys were just trying to eat timeouts. What was the conversation like whenever it was decided that we're running max protect all goes here? Incompletion saves them a timeout, gives them the ball back.
That's a massive decision. What was the conversation like? And what was your mentality when you heard that was the play call? That had to be very exciting that the team said, hey, we're putting this in your hands, brother, to win the game.
Yeah, I was fired up, man. I love having the ball in my hands, you know, with the game on the line.
And, you know, I like, you know, being in those moments, man. But really going into that play, you know, Coach Day was talking about, you know, just be smart.

Don't force anything.

You know, we weren't sure

if we were going to get any sort of,

you know, zone coverage,

if they were going to, you know,

try and play for the pass.

Obviously, you know,

the way we were running the ball,

you know, continuously,

they thought the run was coming

and they played for the run.

They left our alien out on one of their corners. And you know it's uh he's he did his he did his thing yeah he certainly did so did you and are you not entertained i've fallen in love with your moxie the way you handle yourself i assume this is how you've always been but on the biggest stage you have not changed at all even the you know even a celebration i mean everything it's you are you're one of the lads which i think is like the coolest part about it because you transferring in there then the loss is happening they could have easily turned on you that team and i think you guys could have turned on each other especially with how much talent in there and how many potential egos are in there instead you guys rallied around each other and it was very evident and i think that is huge for your leadership, which goes to AP Tone's question for you, Will.
Yeah, Will, when we were doing the alt cast last night, we were kind of trying to guess your measurables, and we kind of settled on somewhere around 4'6", 8", 4'7", with a 39-inch vertical, except for Darius said, you know, it was kind of questioning that. I said mid-30s vert, I did say 4-6-8-40.
Are we somewhere close around that? And, you know, I root for a franchise, Pittsburgh Steelers. We kind of like quarterbacks that play in Ohio, big guys, you know, 6-4, 6-5, 250.
So if you're looking for a program to come to, we will take you. Oh, he's just going to pick? Yep.
That's how it works now. That's how it works now.
Well, now now to extend that question though you're next obviously you haven't thought about the next step you've been so focused on a college football playoff us watching you each week like i'm not a big uh scout for nfl football like i'm not that's not my thing but we watch you and i was very lucky to have a front row seat to the nfl as a punter for a long time's like, this is Sunday guy. And then we start doing some research in what people are saying.
They're not saying that at all. So then obviously the speed comes in because you run a lot more.
I think you did at Kansas State than people give you credit for. Obviously you have a lot of weapons, but you're getting it to them.
Do you feel like you've always been under-respected and appreciated or valued as a quarterback? Does that get to you? Do you think about it? I heard you have to answer a couple of these questions

during media day, but we were very surprised to hear

what people were saying about your NFL projections

after watching you in person.

And I assume that's all going to be bullshit anyways.

You're going to move up quickly, especially after performance.

But has it always been this way with you?

And we're just kind of learning that now?

Yeah, you know, I feel like, you know,

ever since really I came out of high school,

you know, I was a three-star recruit.

You know, and I think the way that my career started off

Thank you. Yeah, you know, I feel like, you know, ever since really I came out of high school, you know, I was a three star recruit, you know, and I think the way that my career started off, I wasn't really a great player.

You know, my first two years at Kansas State, I didn't really turn it on until my junior year.

So I think a lot of people made assumptions about me and, you know, just just assume that I wasn't a good player.

But really, I just wasn't myself yet. You know, I wasn't really settled in.
And, you know, I feel like this year here at Ohio State, like I've been completely myself, you know, and you guys see it like me. You know, I think I yelled at Boston Connor after one of the touchdowns.
Yeah, it was awesome. Screaming at him, dude.
I'm like, yeah, I'll just get fired up, man. I just I like being in the moment and having fun with my guys.
And, you know, we just have an unbelievable locker room here. And it's just so easy to play for these guys and to want to do it for everyone in this building.
Yeah, but you're a great quarterback too, brother. Some of those throws are like Sunday throw, Sunday throw, Sunday throw, Sunday throw.
And then you're big as shit. You know, you are much bigger than you would expect, I think, from watching on TV.
And you can move. Now, the paint on the field does get you every once in a while.
Every once in a while. Every once in a while, the paint.
It does. It does.
Hey, I was thinking, just like you said earlier, I was taking some time off the clock for our defense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100% clock management.
That's smart stuff. But you're much more athletic than anybody gives you credit for.
D-buck. Guys, don't do this.
All right. It's all wax.
You know what I said. I've given Will plenty of credit.
You're right. You're right.
You're right. But I think there's a lack of it going around in a lot of conversations.
Yeah, for sure. And look, you made yourself a ton of money in this playoff run.
Biggest stage, biggest moments, best teams. Your coach you've been working with, Chip Kelly.
How's it been working with him? Obviously, a guy who's been on the pro level and been calling plays for a long, long time. How's it been working with him and how much did he help with your development as a quarterback? He helped me a ton.
I think really the perspective that he has just on the game and really on life is different. You know, it's he's a guy that's been around, man.
He's you know, he's done pretty much everything at every level, you know, and he's he's seen a lot. He's done a lot.
So he has a lot of perspective. And he's shared a lot of things with me just on the field, off the field, how to handle myself, how to, you know, go about my business.
And he's been an unbelievable mentor for me off the field. But then on the field, I mean, he's he and Coach day and Billy Fessler and all those guys in that room like they've changed me into a completely different player I mean you know the the fact that my completion percentage went up by almost over 10 percent like that is 100 percent of credit to my coaches and and them getting on me about taking completions and not not forcing things down the field but kind of letting the game come to me.
And Chip's, you know, he's said that since I got here and I've tried to adapt to it. And it's been awesome for me.
You and Chip Kelly, both in your first years at Ohio State, won a national championship. But getting there, obviously, two different paths.
Chip Kelly was a head coach in the same conference as Ohio State. Said, I'm going to go be an OC over there instead of being the head coach at UCLA.
And you, how'd you get to Ohio State? Ty, here's a question for you. Yeah, Will, when you're done at Kansas State and with the new process of the transfer portal and everything, it was coming out like, hey, this guy is the quarterback everyone wants.
There were early reports like, hey, Lincoln Riley really wants him. It looks like he might go to USC.
Was it always Ohio State, or how difficult was that decision, figuring out where you were going to end up for your last year? Yeah, going into that last year, I was really expecting to hopefully have a good year, build on the Big 12 championship year, and hopefully go to the draft. But obviously, coming out of the year, I didn't like what my draft stock was where I felt like my talent level and, you know, my potential was.
So I felt like, you know, if I could go somewhere and feel like I could give myself a chance to move up draft boards and to, you know, turn myself into a better player and really just continue to elevate, you know, I wanted to do that. And at first, you know, it was really a bunch of people started reaching out, obviously, when it when I first entered.
But, you know, it really came down to probably Miami, USC and here, you know, and when I was looking at it, you know, the two things I said I wanted to do was compete for a natty and, you know, elevate my draft stock. And there was no place that came close to that in terms of, you know, either of those things like Ohio State.
And when it came down to it, it was really probably I was either going to go to the draft. You know, I had a senior bowl invite.
I was all teed up, ready to go to the draft. But this opportunity came up, and I just could not pass it up.
Yeah, well, I think everybody in the state of Ohio and every Buckeye around the world is incredibly pumped that you made that decision ryan day tell us about him a little bit i know you've only been

with him for a year obviously this is the biggest year of his career certainly the biggest win that

he's ever had at all of you over there but life as an ohio state head coach is something you know

aj right over there very passionate that's why he was crying on the sideline last night curbstreet

crying last night because of the amount of love that everybody has for the buckeyes in that state but those expectations are obviously not the easiest whenever things aren't going great how is ryan day operated alongside you and how have you two kind of gotten along throughout this season which has had obviously the option that dines all through it yeah i mean coach days He's my guy man and and he took a chance on me I owe you know basically my life to that guy man he he he uh he's developed me so I've never been coached so hard I mean that guy that guy got on me so much in spring ball like I was like man I feel like I don't even know how to play this position you know I felt like I like, what the hell, man? Like, this is crazy. But no, I'm just, you know, and AJ knows, but, you know, being a player or a coach at Ohio State, man, it's, you don't really understand it until you're in it.
It's different. You know, the expectations that come with it, the pressure, you know, all the eyes that are on you, it's, it's really, it's different, you know, and, and if you don't experience it, if you don't go through it, you don't really get it.
And, you know, so we were able to go through that together this year. And I think we leaned on each other a little bit.
I think, you know, I was able to, you know, lighten up some moods when I, when I needed to and go into the O staff room and crack some jokes and, and vice versa, man. So like, I think we, we were able to, you know, lean on each other a little bit this year and the relationship that we have is is amazing and i'll i'll cherish that dude you know for the rest of my life man you talk about it being different over there you're going to be forever remembered as a national champion in ohio that means you'll be able to sign pictures of that third and 11th row for the rest of your life no matter what happens let's say you say you forget how to play football, actually.
You somehow walk into a tent or a teepee. Ayahuasca gets your brain.
You forget how to play football. Know that for the rest of your life, okay, you'll be able to go to Columbus, Ohio and sign that picture forever.
That's the beautiful thing about being a Buckeye, especially when you win. Another man that is currently doing that still for the rest of his life, AJ, has a question for you, Will.
Yeah, Will, first I want to check on your head coach's status, how his right foot might be, how you guys are doing. Do you have any whiplash? We saw the clip of the golf cart.
It had to be a bit nerve-wracking for this poor lady, all these people filming her. What happened here? How far did you walk? What was going on? We had an Austin Powers situation going on, it looks like.
Dude, that was so so funny so i felt so bad for the poor girl she was like ripping through people on the field and just yelling move move move walking at people and then all of a sudden we get to this corner and she like almost gets close to the to the wall and then she starts reversing and then she put it back you know in drive and just crashed into the into the wall. And we're like, none of us were like, I think I might have my head down on my phone and coach day.
I don't know what happened, but I think his neck like got like messed up. Like, I don't know.
I don't know if he's, you know, he was, he looked like he was shaking up for a second, but, um, I hope he's doing all right now. How far do you have to walk after that? Cause they, everybody made the same decision after she was like, let's get this thing back.
I don't think so. Everybody kind of gets out of there, and obviously she's going to live and grow from this as well.
You know, like physics and everything is going to certainly show up in life. But also she had eyes on the wall that she crashed into.
I didn't know that she was such a beast on the field, though. Got places to go.
Got people good i respect that how far was the walk how far was the walk to where you had to go it actually wasn't that far because we already made it to the other side of the stadium so it was really only like probably 50 yards so it wasn't like a big deal um but you know we uh we made it work yeah you certainly did and uh that axle's broken forever Conman has a question for you, Will. Yeah, Will, before the game, there was some conversation leading up to it about you and Riley being in that group text together from the QB camp.
I was wondering what kind of memes were they sending in to that text group with you two? And also, was there any conversation after the game with you and Riley? Did you get to talk talk to him and what's that relationship like yeah man Riley uh is a guy that I have the utmost respect for and uh really really you know just truly think that he's an unbelievable guy and um you know the way that he portrays his faith too like um you know when I really first got to talk to him at the at the manning camp, like, you know, we didn't even really talk about ball at all.

Like we kind of just shot the bull and talked about, you know, life. And I just, you know, I really felt like we were kind of similar people and I kind of, you know, understood him.
And we kind of had kind of been on similar journeys, I felt like, you know. So it was cool to feel like we, you know, kind of finished it in a right way.

You know, we were kind of both, you know, so it was cool to feel like we, you know, kind of finished it in a right way. You know, we were kind of both, you know, in the forefront.
And no, I was just, I was just, you know, blessed to be able to, you know, share the field with another guy who who's, you know, just a God fearing man and just a just a great dude. We appreciate you glorifying Jesus Christ all through both of you.
i saw reese davis last night hell yeah hi amen shout out reese davis said after the show he said both these teams glorified jesus christ more than anybody else i don't know if that's coincidence or not you tell me and it's like well certainly certainly very much so that's why the pope there there was a there was a chance i don't know if you heard about this there was a chance on college game day there's just rumblings that the pope was going to make a pick that would be sweet and then the pope heard about how many catholics are in fucking ohio he's like we don't need to turn down the entire state brother i don't need to be making a pitch against the state that is very religious and god bless everybody and thank you to jesus christ for everything we obviously agree with that and you and riley Leonard obviously did battle last night. Will you both be in the Senior Bowl next week, and how are you going to approach this entire thing? Obviously, and we already mentioned this, it was a surprise to us how they were judging your NFL career.
I think through this process, now granted, enjoy this national championship with the lads. Looks like there's a lot of juice as they come running in.
Definitely do that. But this entire draft process, we

think you're going to kill. Like, absolutely

murder. Senior Bowl's first.

That's next week. And then what do we have on the horizon?

Have you already thought about this? Or are you yet

to figure this type of shit out?

Yeah, you know, I was hoping we could

get through this game and then worry about it

after. But, you know, in terms of the

Senior Bowl, I'm still evaluating that.

You know, I ran the ball, I think,

like 16 times last night. So my body's

a little beat up. Gonna have to

Thank you. after but you know in terms of the senior bowl i'm still evaluating that you know i i ran the ball i think like 16 times last night so my body's a little beat up gonna have to feel how my my body's feeling and everything and then then go from there when it comes to that but you know in the process man i'm just looking forward to you know getting after it and i'm going out to to train out in la with my guys at xl sports and i'm just excited to get out there and hopefully, you know, prove some people wrong throughout this process because, you know, I've felt like I've had that chip on my shoulder the whole time.
You know, I believe that I can be a, you know, first round draft pick. You know, I believe that I can go in and, you know, lead an organization.
And, you know, I want to just show and show these teams that they can trust me and, know bring me in and be that guy your teammates and coaches at Ohio State agree with you I can't wait to watch you change narratives about yourself going into the NFL and I'm excited as hell that you get the opportunity to celebrate getting to the top of the mountain not a lot of people do brother everything you've done your entire life has led to this enjoyment this this moment. I hope you have a blast celebrating it all and congratulations on being a national champion, brother.
Thank you, guys, man. Appreciate y'all having me on.
I've been a big fan for a while, so this is pretty cool. Little baby face assassin coming on the program.
You think it is because you look like you're 12? Do you think that's why people think maybe not in the NFL because that's an adult, that's a grown men's league, and you look like you're 13 years old? It could be, man. I've been getting called that like the last two weeks a lot more, and I didn't even know where it came from.
And then I saw the clip of you calling me that, and I was like, oh, damn, that's pretty funny. Okay, you like it.
All right, sweet. Good news.
Ladies and gentlemen, we think first-round draft pick. Yep.
We know national champion, quarterback for the Ohio State Buckeyes, Will Howard. Thank you, buddy.
He's a guy. Pretty polished as well.
That was awesome. That was a great interview.
Sign me up. Jovial.
Yeah, great. He's moxie.
We talked about it. Think of the guys we've seen in the NFL playing well, too, that have a ton of reps, a ton of experience in the college game.
Those guys have come into the league and excelled early on. Jayden, Bo Nix.
CJ out of the Ryan Day camp. We asked CJ why he did so well.
He said Ryan Day in the Ohio State. That must be what he means.
Ryan Day, fucking relentless. I know how to play quarterback.
I'm the Big 12 Player of the Year right now. Everything I do is wrong.
wrong I don't even know geez louise that's good coaching yeah I like to hear that about Ryan Day development is real man coaching matters I think uh the Jalen Hurts going back to you know why he was benched and subbed out at Alabama during a national championship game because of his limitations in the past game people are still talking about it now but him going to Oklahoma planning that playing in that Lincoln-Riley system, like that helped his development tremendously, helped him be a second-round pick, and now a franchise quarterback, you know, making the money he's making in one game away from his second Super Bowl. So I can see some similarities there with Will Howard and his progression throughout his college career and what he can probably be on the next level.
So it's either going to be Ohio State, USC, or Miami. I think he would have done this, though, if he would have done that.
Yeah, I think so. Cam Ward going to Ohio State would have been nuts, too.
I mean, that's why he gets talked about the way he does. Oh, yeah.
I could play quarterback with Jeremiah Smith. So many of them.
That's what people think. The haters.
I'm not saying I say that. I'm just saying the people that people that are haters i watch the people in the comments and it's like he'll put a dot like a ball that jeremiah smith doesn't have to be jeremiah smith it could be boston connor playing wide receiver he'll put a ball on somebody that's like that's a sunday throw he'll step up in a pocket and hit a slant that's a sunday throw but he's throwing it to igbuka who has the most receptions in the history of uh ohio state he's throwing it to jeremiah smith who i alien is what they're calling he's throwing it to cornell tate who's going to be an nfl guy he's got judkins and henderson in the backfield it's like that is what there people think well i could do that it's like the plays he makes though if you watch the plays it's like he has to make a play at a high level as well, not just the person that he's making a play with, and he does.
I mean, he is – this guy's the real fucking deal, legit. Yeah.
I feel that way. I think a big part of his projections are kind of what he said, too.
Like, once you play three years in college, like people make up their mind about most players, and it's hard to change it. Most guys that go in the the first round they're tabbed as first round guys like after their freshman year most of the time or like even in high school arch hasn't even played a season yet correct five-star crew he's you know he's gonna be first he's gonna be first overall pick you already know even if he sucks his first year has an average year which we don't expect he's still going to be a first round pick because that's what the guys that's what everybody that's the consensus and it's a lot of group think i think so when you go and you go to a place like ohio state and you are surrounded with this type of talent but he you know he replaced you know kyle mccord mccord is doing great he's done great things in syracuse but he he came there to upgrade that position and so knowing where to go with the box when he plays on sundays everybody's a sunday guy so knowing where to go to the ball, you know, taking completions, taking profit, being in that Chip Kelly system, just around a guy who's been around so many guys and been around football for so long, that just changes your whole idea of how you even view football.
So I'm excited about him. I'm looking forward to his future on the next level.
It does sound like he will not be playing in a senior bowl. And also, shouldn't, like, hey, you've had to play four extra games extra games everybody else anyways you've already had four all-star games that the whole world has been watching if he would have played in the senior bowl one week from now i would have been i think we all would have been like don't have to i don't think rally should play either after watching yeah no way he went through 18 play drive that first drive record-breaking drive to start that game for notre dame think about how that game got from then, then obviously middle of the third quarter, then into the middle of the fourth quarter.
Both quarterbacks had to show competitive spirit, answering instead of cowering down. They obviously both did, but Will Howard has that.
In his biggest games he played his best football. It's like, I love this guy.
I love this guy, man. That is literally how I feel about Will Howard.
Well, I think the development thing is a big – because when he was at Kansas State, they basically used him like Tebow. He was the best.
I mean, he had Ben Sinnott, who was a third-round pick. But outside of that, his skill guy, he didn't have a bunch of skill guys getting drafted.
He was the best player on the field. So I think last night was definitely the most times he's run the football in a game this year.
You know, like, he played completely different than he did when he was at Kansas State. And, obviously, you know, like, that says a lot about Chip Kelly and Ryan Day and his development because he's a better quarterback overall today than he probably was when he left Kansas State.
He was good on the show, too. Awesome.
Very good. Well, I just think back, like, think of Stetson Bennett after they won the national championship when he was on Good Morning America.
He said they hung out in the hotel lobby, too. I love that.
Somebody probably had a speaker, too. Maybe two speakers.
Bobby Carpenter had his own. He was just singing.
Did he fly on a plane? That's what you should ask. Was Bob Carpenter on the plane ride back? I don't believe so, but it would never surprise me if Bob found his way on that plane.
Okay, because he posted a video of being right behind the police escort of the buses back in Columbus. He's in a car behind him.
So I didn't know if he was on the plane and they knew where he was, if he had his car parked on the side of the road waiting for the boys. And then he was back in there.
Driving the age rack, man. We got people waiting in FBOs in Chicago for Ben Johnson to arrive creepy.
That'll freak you out, especially if you're going to one of those FBOs. But we got field reporting happening at a much larger rate now with X, you know, and journalists being now everywhere all the time and inability to place.
And Bobby Carpenter was certainly a part of that. I mean, he was 10 feet behind a cop that was on the tail end of the escort of the buses heading back.
Let me in. And he said, the Buckeyes are back.
Yeah, I thought he was trying to get it. He was.
Let me in. I thought I heard it because I was trying to listen to it, but it was kind of faint.
But he was talking like, should I pass these guys? The escorts are the great. The ones in Ohio.
We talked about this last night. The Ohio police escort was the greatest escort in the history of police escorts.
No, Penn State police escort, real deal. Penn State police escort was real.
We went sidewalk pretty much. The biker cops are the best.
Biker cops that shut down the highway like the on-ramps are the best. Yeah, they get all pissed off and they're standing on top of their fucking bike.
Yep. Like this one coming down the street if there's a hill.
It's like they're doing this number here on top of a fucking motorcycle. That's sick.
And it's just like rolling and it's like, what's that asshole doing? He's letting people on the other side of the hill know that we're fucking coming. It's like, he certainly is.
Is down gets back down on the motorcycle whenever the motorcycle cops get a little sass that's a good one and then circle back I've seen one circle back and then rejoin the their finger off the trigger I've never seen that just so we're all never seen that. Just so we're all in the same.
I was hopeful.

Hopeful a few times that that would happen.

Oh, you were pulling for that.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

might have been the tail end of the police escort

for the national champion Ohio State Buckeye football team

whenever they got back into Columbus.

He saved football in the Big Ten a few years back.

Ladies and gentlemen, congrats on another national championship

to the General, Bob Carpenter. Yay! General, congrats on a national championship, brother.
How are you doing? I'm doing great. I mean, I got about 40 minutes of sleep.
I did my morning show at 6. I think I went to bed at about 4.15.
So I woke up at about 5.30. It was a rough day.
And then as I'm pulling in, driving out, my wife's picking me up and I'm like, holy smokes smokes, there's the motorcade leading everybody around. My wife was, like, trying to slide into it.
I go, they're going to run your ass off the road, dear. Like, we better give them some distance here, okay? These police are in mean business.
So you were waiting on the side of the road for the motorcade to come so you could report that it was happening or it just so happened? Coach, my wife picked me up at the airport. We're pulling out of the main terminal.
They come, like like back off the tarmac right there as we're pulling out i mean they were right there in front of us and they we live right down the street from campus so i go of course they're going there they got everybody lined up and so i mean these cops watching motorcades is amazing because people try to like slide through and these dudes are swerving over at them like don't put you at the wall, man. They don't care.
Yeah, they will. They'll at least, with their eyes and their fingers, will try to scare you into driving into a wall.
Police escorts are a fantastic thing, especially whenever it's a celebration like it is certainly here for the Buckeyes. You said you're running on about 40 minutes of sleep.
We just talked to Will Howard. He said in the lobby they were hanging out last night, obviously enjoying this all.
How'd you enjoy it all? And at what point did you know this was possible with this Ohio State Buckeye team, Bobby? So, you know, I hung out. It took me forever after the game, hanging out, getting interviews, doing everything, getting out of there.
Got back to the hotel about 1.45, ordered four drinks before they closed the bar, and then went down to... As one would do.
Need yeah it's a vet move i mean i go listen dude i need four uh uh four casamigos and sodas right here it's like i'll tip you 25 bucks it's open bar i go i know there's a million people backed up just pour them strong no ice just dump it in there i mean we're all about business It's $145. Just shoot it into my veins if you need to.
And I'll give you 25 bucks for that. Boom.
Absolutely. And then I went down.
You talked about Will Howard. So I go down there.
Hey, let's go to the Ohio Regency. That's where the players are staying.
I go, dude, nobody's up. It's like 315.
And I'll be damned. We go down there.
And Will is there. Dude, they've got a whole crowd surrounding him.
He's got his guy Seth McLaughlin. They date a pair of sisters.
So it was unbelievable. And they're like, hey, Coach Bobby, you know, coming on in.
Drinking warm beers that they had pre-bought from like probably an hour before at that point. But the poor folks at the Hyatt Regency, I mean, Pat, all they want to do is go to bed.
And you've got like 150 Buckeye fans. This dude comes up to me.
He's like, Bob, you want a drink? I'm like, sure, I guess. And just pulls a bottle of scotch out of the inside of his coat pocket and just like, here you go, dude.
Hammer it down. I'm like, I don't even like scotch, but this is the best thing we got going.
Yeah, so that's what happens. And the Hyatt Regency knew what they signed up for.
If you're going to have a bunch of ohio state people in here if they win a national championship ohio's gonna ohio how does it feel and when did you know this team was gonna be able to win it will howard uh i don't know if i had any judgment on him at all you know when he's in the big 12 he's a great player kansas state obviously west virginia he has done great things following along he's will howard he goes to ohio state they're lot of money on the roster. Okay, they lose to Oregon earlier.
Everybody's dumping on him. I don't think I still had an opinion on him.
Lose to Michigan, I still don't think I really have an opinion on him. He's Will Howard.
It's kind of what it is. Then getting to watch this playoff run and seeing how tall he is, seeing how much the boys love him, hearing he's out drinking warm beers after a national championship with the offensive line and other people, it's like, the more I this guy the more I love him you've obviously been around coach uh with the boys longer than we haven't known them long when did you know this team could possibly do this and when did you know Will was a guy and what was the stories you heard about him you know I thought this team always had the talent obviously after that Michigan game you saw that shift after the first Oregon started to shift.
But with Will, it was unbelievable. It's tough to be a transfer quarterback to come in in a one-year-off situation because you're expected to be a leader, but you're also expected to earn that leadership really quickly.
And you can't come in and just be, you know, me, me, me. Those guys have all been playing together for four and five years.
You've got to prove it to them. And so Will did a great job coming in, putting his head down, and just grinding.
I mean, he's a big dude. When he first came in on his visit about this time last year, I thought he was a tight end.
They were bringing this tight end from Ohio University. I thought that was him at first.
He's a big guy. He's physical, and he's a selfless dude.
And that's the thing that you love to see him. He's not maybe the guy that has the best running style you're going to find.
He's not the best athlete of everybody, but he just seems to get things done, man, and you see the fire that he plays with. You guys both play.
Anytime you play with a dude that's just willing to throw it out there for you, especially a quarterback, and put his body on the line, that's when it starts to turn. And the last piece, man, that connectivity that he has with Ryan Day, like, dude, you don't see coaches, like, jumping onto their players' arms like that, their shoulders, like, after a win.
There was something really special with those guys, and it was fun to see. And that, to me, was that missing elixir that, you know, makes those championship teams special.
Elixir. Yeah, it was a missing elixir, wasn't it? Yeah, it certainly was.
Go ahead, AJ i mean these guys played unbelievable i feel like all year especially in the playoffs but like especially the linebackers cody simon sonny styles the boys like they seem to get better and better as the season when you watch their defense play i mean you're basically embedded with the squad you're around these guys a bunch what's uh what's it been like watching these guys grow throughout their careers at ohio state and ultimately cap it off like this so cody simon you know he's defensive mvp of the national championship game this is a guy that never really was a starter till his fifth year in college and he's playing behind for tommy eichenberg steel chambers some good players and you know i talked to him last offseason like the secret to success in life man and half of it just keeps showing up and doing a good job. Like, you'll eventually get your shot.
You're eventually going to put together, you know, a pretty good reel. And, man, he was the leader of that defense.
He was the heart and soul of that defense. You know, their goal line stands, the things they've been able to do, how tough they were against Notre Dame in their rushing attack, and just really physical up front.
But there was a connectivity with these guys. And you saw with Jack Sawyer, JT, bringing in Caleb Downs, like all of these guys together, there was an intensity and a passion you play with.
And honestly, A.J., you've been a part of like opening drives where they drive the ball on you sometimes. Like I'm sitting on the side like, holy shit, this is a 10-minute drive, 18 plays.
I'm tired for them to start the game game like you don't get a chance to get your legs under you they came back out offense goes down and scores three and out bang offense scores three and out bang and all of a sudden now they score again it's 21 nothing going into half it's like they answered the bell every time they had to yeah and the offense they answered with a six minute drive right, right? Wasn't it? It was 9.45, and then it was 5.45 to answer. So, to your point, though, like if offense doesn't answer there and Ohio State's defense has to go back on the field after a 10-minute drive to start that thing, 18 play, record-breaking drive.
That's why the complimentary football by – and your specialist, McGuire, hit some big balls. Jaden Fielding, I think he's a player.
How was he during the year, Jaden, the kicker? Because during the playoffs, he's been fantastic, this guy. He's been good, and the punting's been much better.
They've done a much better job. The Michigan game was a little rough.
There's wind, there's elements, but it's awesome for Fielding to watch him hit that kick and seal the game you know like that that's the stuff right there you know it's easy to get down on guys and a lot of people crap on kickers you know and it's and the specialists because man when you're under the microscope when you screw it up and to see those guys on the other side then make the play and to watch everybody just lean in on them and love all those dudes man it was big that complimentary football was so huge being able to make sure that you were moving the football you're backing them up you're flipping the field because that's how notre dame beats people i mean it's jim trussell football all the way that aj and i grew up with and ohio state was able to utilize some of that against them marcus freeman damn good coach a little bit of pride right obviously not a little bit bit. A lot of bit of pride that Marcus Freeman obviously was able to lead

the Notre Dame Fighting Irish to a national championship

in his third year over there as a former Ohio State Buckeye.

We ran some highlights during the field pass last night.

I don't know if it was on the main broadcast or not.

I would assume it was.

He was a dog for the Buckeyes.

Ohio fuck, too.

Like, he's a proud Ohio fuck, I believe.

Still benching 315. Has to be able to squat 315 and bench 315 at all times.
He said that's a non-negotiable going forward. He's one of you guys.
Obviously phenomenal coach. You talk about Trestle being like a special ingredient for him to kind of lean on.
He's building it the right way over there. Has to be a lot of pride out of the Ohio people or no? Oh, absolutely.
I I told Marcus, you know, I talked to him before the Florida State game. I was so happy with how he's coached, what he's done, the culture he's built up there.
I mean, Pat, benching 315 and squatting 315, that's just the way of life, man. You got to be able to defend yourself, defend your family.
You have no idea what could happen at some point in time. Like the last thing you want to do is tell a story about how you got overpowered and someone like stole your daughter from you because you weren't able, you have the strength.
So just, just think about that next time you're in the weight room and you're like, I'm just going to maybe do something a little cosmetic. Like I need to be able to still punch and strike somebody at a moment's notice.
And so Marcus embraces that. He wants to look like a dude out there.
So his players don't look at him and think that they might be the alpha of the pack. And so it's a big deal.
Well said. It is.
I never thought about being in a situation where I get outpowered from my daughter. And once you start piecing it that way, I saw a little Mackenzie looking at her dad going, what the fuck just happened? You're right.
Maybe it isn't just for looks. Maybe we do got to get in there and start hitting a pad again a little bit.
Maybe start moving a little bit. Maybe more explosive exercise.
Yeah. Yeah, so we still got it a little bit.
I'm not too old to defend myself. This is a matter of life or death, potentially.
Yeah. Way of life.
Thank you, General. On that note, you got to weigh with words.
D-Bud has a question for you. You just mentioned on the sideline, I remember being on the sideline, I think before the Cotton Bowl, you were kind of giving me the run down, the guys on that defense especially, and I had some sources inside the program who said, you're still maybe dialing up some blitzes over there.
I saw a beautiful blitz, beautiful cross dog during the game. Was that your blitz that Jim Knowles called? No, Jim, listen, man.

I wish, but, like, listen, Jim Knowles, he dials those things up really well.

And he does a great job.

Him and James, working with those backers.

And I love giving them crap because those guys, you know,

like we talk about legacy.

You know, one of the things I take the most pride in is, you know,

when AJ and I and Schlegs, we left Ohio State.

Like, our legacy was Marcus Freeman and James Laurinaitis. Like, can those guys take over the room? Are they going to be able to get everything done in the way that you want? And now like watching that still carry on with Cody Simon, Sonny Stiles, like the Arbel Reese, the way those guys go back and forth and the way that they play and the tenacity that they play with like that that's something that feels great and so you see that fire yeah my dialing up days those are long past me by i wish that i had you know some of those skills but jim knowles is like a mad scientist being able to get that done they're saying he's potentially leaving or no what do you think i you know i'm not sure like i saw that coming down yesterday I was like, gosh like i just want to focus on the game i was hoping it wasn't going to be a distraction um maybe he does maybe he does i'm not sure like my goodness he's one hell of a defensive coordinator i know i'm guessing ryan's gonna fight like hell to keep him um you know that's where ross dork to ad at ohio state like president Carter, Slapshot, you sit down, like, we won a national title.

This guy's a big part of it.

Well, what's the financial package that we need to put together to be able to keep him?

And that's the modern day of college football, and you've got to figure that out.

Coach, you've got a radio show, Local Sports, right there in Columbus?

Yes, sir.

Every morning?

Six to nine.

So you're actually the show.

First of all, the fact that you're still doing six to nine a.m. radio every single day.

You're a dog.

That's the general difference.

That is the difference.

Thank you. So you're actually the show.
First of all, the fact that you're still doing 6 to 9 a.m. radio every single day.
You're a dog. That's the general difference.
That is the difference. You're an absolute dog.
But there's not a lot of towns you can do that in still. No.
Columbus, Ohio, Sports Talk, 6 to 9, still in because of the Buckeyes. Are you guys going to give Ryan Day a break or what? Are you guys going to give me? What? You're probably the one, 6 to 9 a.m.
local Sports Talk. You're local sports talk fire this fucking guy that is probably who it is it's that the narrative certainly that is probably what it is i i mean i know maybe not you in particular but that was the national narrative that was taking place in a lot of different situations i assume the reason why it was that is because there were certainly some people in ohio that felt that way and that's just a part of the business.
Like, if you don't win anything, people are going to wonder if you're ever going to be able to. Now Ryan Day has.
What does that mean to the Buckeye people you think? And to local sports talk, maybe, that sets a narrative or drives an agenda, potentially. I mean, I love Ryan.
I get a chance to talk to him. And I watch him practice and seeing those guys.
Like, Ryan Day is a hell of a football coach. Now he ultimately has the title to back that up.
There's only three active coaches in college football that have won national championships. And with him and Kirby Smart and Dabo Swinney, that's it.
That's the list. That's all they have.
And so for him to be able to do that, to get that, that's a big, that is a big piece, a big feather in his cap. There are people out there that said, Hey, even if they win this national championship, he still should be fired.
You know, what are you talking about this? There was like, Hey, is this a, is this national championship? I was asked this morning, I'm doing a hit on XM. And like, you know, it was a, you know, an it was an unfinished or an asterisk by it because you didn't win the Big Ten, didn't beat Michigan.
Listen, man, those people can go back and live on Misery Island. They're the ones that are always going to complain about something.
They were the best in the country. They beat five top five teams, man.
Their offensive line, I was like looking at this, putting this little diagram together. They played nine different guys on the offensive line this year, and they went up against some of the best D-lines and were able to run the ball and protect Willie.
They did one hell of a job. Gosh, I cannot say give enough flowers to Ryan Day.
And then also Justin Fry, the O-line coach that everybody was shitting on as well. Those guys are damn good football coaches.
And I told Ryan, if you weren't the guy, I'd tell you I didn't think you were good. I've been around good coaches.
Pat, you've been around good coaches. AJ, you've been.
But all you guys, you've seen good, you've seen bad. And I go, man, I'm not always going to just play the results all the time.
Like sometimes it just doesn't work out and it's not your day. But, man, when you have a good one, you've got to keep them.
Yeah. And if you believe in somebody's process, I think that's the whole thing.
So whenever a coach who hasn't been able to win is getting judged, you have to judge the process. How do we think the day in, the day out, the coaching is going? Everybody that was around the football program, as Kirk Herbstreit said, you know, cooler heads, the AD, the president, people that have been around feel a certain way about ryan day because they watch him work not everybody gets to see that you know and coaching is a results-oriented business the results are great for ryan day he's a national champion yeah congratulations to him congratulations to you general we can't thank you enough for joining us on such short notice brother hey anytime guys love coming on what did you Island.
Yeah. Go back.
Kick their ass over here. Bob, you going to try to practice next year if they get in the playoffs? I know you used to strap up the pads and go against the boys.
I mean, if I need to. I mean, whatever it takes, you know, for the program, for the group.
I'm here to help. I'll do whatever I can.
I can still squat 315. Pat, I can still bench 315.
You can lunge 315 for 100 yards, Bob. We know that.
We'll see where we're at on that. Listen, you were talking about Ryan Day in the hot seat.
Nothing cools off a hot seat, folks, like a Gatorade bath. I promise you that.
I'll tell you what, General. Quote it.
Put it down there. You're 100% right.
God, that was amazing. You're the man.
Ladies and gentlemen, the general, Bobby Carpenter. Yeah, general.
What a lie. Nothing cools off a hot seat like a Gatorade bath bar.
Yeah. Throw a bitch on the air.
I'm surprised. I've never heard that one.
That's a phenomenal. That's got to be a general.
That's a general first. Yeah, that's why when he delivered it, he's, George W.
He knew. This is the one.
Misery Island, too, kicking back. Elixir, he said.
Just so many. He's ready to go.
Three hours, local sports talk in the morning. a.m start time hours so early i i started um you know really doing all this yeah because the last night with him uh with bob and tom which is a local morning radio show comedy huge huge business huge show uh they had a local hour on tuesdays because they were nationally syndicated on like 180 channels or something like that they owned it too so they were licensing it's all these channels but they were based here in Indianapolis originally Michigan they moved down Indianapolis and this became home base and they were licensing it out everywhere and for the local radio station that was their home where their studio was they did like a local 30 minutes like Colts talk on Tuesday Jeff Saturday did that for a long, long time.
Jeff Saturday leaves to go to the Green Bay Packers and they didn't know who was going to fill in. And I think Jeff and a couple other people were like, you should get the punter.
You should get the punter. By this point, I had already been, you know, public intoxication and did the entire thing.
And Bob and Tom asked me if I wanted to do the local hour on tuesdays or whatever and i had watched their show when i was younger because it was on tv for like a year and then i lived in the car you know with my dad doing soccer tournaments basically my entire childhood so i had known bob and tom basically my whole life i had heard of who these people were and uh i said no i didn't want to ruin i didn't want to do any of that. I didn't mind people just knowing me from being the internet.
And I didn't want to go in and ruin their fucking show. I was like, I'm not going to be that guy.
People already hate me for enough reasons. I don't need to come in and ruin your show.
That's been a wagon for 30 years. Tom Griswold sits me down and says like, you'd be a fucking idiot.
You don't come and do a show in more or less words. So I came and did the show.
And after the first the first week i like fell in love with it like the way the way this show operates is kind of how their show is set up you know a lot of people take credit for our show following their path and the fact is i've never watched those shows uh bob and tom show i was lucky to be a part of for a couple years and they're one of the most successful radio shows talk shows in the history of anything and they own it you know so it's been like the way they went about doing their business was great there was a time actually where i was thinking about retiring before i retired like maybe a year

or two years before i retired where i was maybe going to try to join them full time you know and

it was good because of how much fun i had and how much i enjoyed it how much i loved it and then i

tried it for like a week straight that 6 a.m show oh yeah well yeah your bedtime's eight yeah you gotta be up 3 30 bob i have juice general for my whole thing is yeah you gotta have juice my whole thing is like energy and juice and it's like what that lifestyle you just your whole life is just bob Bob's been doing it for over 10 years.

He's been doing that show.

Jeez Louise.

Maybe 15 by now.

So much like...

Obviously, it's nothing in comparison to actual jobs,

which we have to preface out always with

because we're not complaining.

Very lucky.

You're talking into a microphone.

If you get a job to do that from 6 a.m. to 10 a.m.

and they're going to pay you money to do it,

you're going to fucking do it.

I'm not saying in comparison to actual jobs, but for me that was not for me dog i learned very very quickly that was a whole different animal so shout out to the general for doing that always bringing the juice and when you're filling that amount of time at that uh early hour you gotta come up with a lot of stuff oh yeah it feels like the general always got something that he's always like comes the bomb magical brain over there over there and they need to start calling his blitzes. They do.
He's been humble. He's been modest.
Him putting the pads back on. If that's what they need, shit.
If they're playing a guy that's built like a 45-year-old or whatever, they need to look. I've told you.
He said, man, you should come in. It's really funny.
He goes, don't worry. You don't have to do individual or anything.
I know I've told you that. I'm like, yeah, I know.
I'm not going through individual with the current players, Bob. For those that don't know, individual is when you're just working out with your position group before practice starts or at the beginning of practice.
It's miserable. It is a lot of work.
Like burping your legs. Yeah.
Always like underneath like the chutes, the bags. Like so legs are completely dead by the time practice starts.
And there's thuds going on. I like it.
You guys had to run a lot too. Get the juices flowing.
Do some line drills. Catch some balls.
I think like when it's cold. Like when it's just cold and shit outside, that sucks.
You would rather just. It sucks pregame too.
I like it pregame too. Because you take a little hit, get a little pop.
Make your makeup. Get a little lather going.
Yeah, you know, you're right. You know.
Yeah, it's good. This guy needs to stop bitching over here, AJ.
Yeah, AJ. I mean, Indy at 38 years old is a little...
Yeah. That's true.
In 28. Alright, let's get the hell out of here.
Pretty good show today. Yeah.
Pretty good. We woke up having no idea.
Yeah. Woke up later, too, than normally having no idea.
It's great to see the family. It was great to reminisce on the college football year last night.
It was. And even this morning.
A lot happened. And during today's show.
A lot. A lot happened.
So much change took place right in front of our eyes.

Like we're in the middle of a transition era and it was

like cool to be

a part of. No doubt.
Watching it kind

of each week. Oh, we got another top

five matchup. Oh, we got another

top five matchup.

Oh, look out next week.

Haven't played in 15 years.

Last time they played was national champion. Top five

matchup. You seen the week one matchup?

Who?

Potentially number one versus number two, Ohio State, Texas.

Yeah.

That's what I'm saying.

I mean, by far the number two sport in America.

By far.

Like not even – by far the number two sport in America.

And it's like so much room to grow still because they show you the NFL number,

which once again we're not going to get into sure how do they know any of it they don't no they do it's a good estimation remember everybody has the same estimation though so that makes it fair so that is that is how it works nonetheless the nfl rating and then the college rating there is some different so it could still grow might grow mightily for people that love football. And I think it's going to.
And what a cool thing for a sport that's been around and been great for so damn long. I know it's not a second wind, and I haven't tracked it long enough for when it got really popular, but whatever wind this is, whatever change of gear this is in, it is very real.
And the Ohio State Buckeyes are the kings of it right now so congrats aj congrats ohio shout out to will howard great work on that zito and who is old buddy that helped make that happen troy troy from excel thank you troy shout out troy from excel yeah troy and zito working together to get will howard on the program he was great He was great. Very, very Troy.
From XL, yeah. Troy and Zito working together to get Will Howard on the program.

He was great.

He was great.

Very, very polished.

Very much so.

All right.

Boys, great work today.

In the back, great work.

The graphic boys, good work.

And, talk, congrats on another day.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Feels like he's going to be okay.

Yeah, it does.

Reels was kind of okay, though.

Yeah.

He still plays, I think. Maybe just call him him takes his big computer everywhere with him guy okay that's a lot of syllables but it is certainly worthy of a mention every time you look at him yeah that this guy brought an entire fucking rig uh with him on the road but hey only way to get anything done there you go server to whatever takes.
Got a job to do. Brought his rig, server, keyboard.
This is my home keyboard. That's his kit.
Like special forces military people have their kit. Bingo.
It's his tag team partner, he said actually. That's his AR.
He said, I don't go anywhere without it, but I've seen him a lot of times. I've never seen that.
I think he kind of lied about that, but I think what he meant was, if I've got to get things with me you just didn't see it it was close it was tailing him it was somewhere within he did some great work in there his keyboard uh yeah this is him right here and then he's got a server underneath the thing and this is in a different part of a truck because obviously they didn't know all this was coming uh 14 hours he was there. Two coffees.
Two coffees, a water, a Sprite. Looks like the workstation in Jurassic Park.
Yeah, look at this. We got some pistachios.
Pistachios, pretzels. Trail mix.
Blueberry bar. Spitter.
Water, spitter, two coffees. Remember when he was spitting it? Sprite zero.
It's a real dangerous game he's playing. Oh, yeah.
Which way you're reaching. Double check.
Remember he was spitting into that? Sprite zero. It's a real dangerous game he's playing.
Oh, yeah.

Which way you're reaching.

A double check.

Remember he was spitting into that cup about this big? The Dixie cup.

Yeah, the shot glass.

Got another clear spitter right there.

You got to do something about that.

Hey, you're really rolling the dice talk,

especially with how locked in you get,

but we know he's got it under control.

Always does.

He's got everything under control.

Yeah, he was, you know, like,

when you go into a bathroom that's really hoity-toity and they have those little cups you can get mouthwash in yeah you know those little cups i love that he was using it as a zin spitter about two feet away from me and i was like that ain't happening that ain't happening we're not doing that he goes i don't want to waste a big cup i was like you're planning on filling that thing to the top you don't want to waste a plastic cup a big big cup. He's a beautiful mind.
He is a beautiful mind. That's a great way to describe him.
Great movie, too. Great movie.
Beautiful mind. All right.
Let's get the hell out of here. We appreciate you talking.
And your rig, and your server, and your keyboard, and your mouthwash cup. That right in my ear.
It was awesome. Classic tackle.
D-Bone and Bill were playing a little symphony last night in the van with their breathing. Oh, that's nice, yeah.
I caught some of that while we were watching the football game. We realized that you two were in the goofball mobile.
Had all the fucking goofballs with you. I'll tell you what, it was actually pretty good vibes over there.
It was very good vibes. It was.
It was good vibes in that particular Sprinter van. But D-Bone and Bill were really hitting the...
Playing drums with their nose whistles. It was unbelievable.
It was unbelievable. We should check out D-Bone to make sure he's alive.
He had a brain-splitting headache because he didn't get his three gallons popped this morning. Oh, he's having like...
Withdrawals. Shaking.
They were talking about people with their TikTok withdrawals. Did you see that article? Yeah.
Hey, listen, you're going to shake a little bit. Okay? You're going to feel hopeless for a little bit.
You might be in the fetal position on the ground because you're going through withdrawals of scrolling. Don't worry.
You'll get through it or whatever. It's like, holy shit.
And then I wanted to make fun of them. And then I thought about if they just dropped X off my phone, what I would do.

It'd be a problem.

I probably just wouldn't use my phone.

Go back to the flip.

You'd be all right.

You'd figure it out.

I just probably wouldn't use my phone.

I'd be like, all right, what are we on here for?

Getting text messages from people I don't know?

I don't think so.

I want to get rid of this thing.

You can hit me with an email.

You can hit me with an email if you need me.

But I'm going to check it once a month like a Mormon is on a mission. BYU was a story this year.
Yes, they were. Big story.
One game away from the playoff. Iowa State was a big story this year.
Colorado, obviously, a big story. Always going to be as long as.
Which is a story right now. Well, Kelly is going.
Cowboys, though. He ain't going nowhere.
Everybody know. It's Kelly Moe.
We'll be back tomorrow, won't we, AJ? Oh, you drinking your little electrolytes? Matminos. Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah. I mean, that one's a deep red you needed today.
That's a scarlet red drink today. Deep red.
That's a spark with the L-Arginine. I got on the AJ.
Boom. He was eating baby carrots this morning.
Tony, you're doing the aminos now? Yeah. Let's go, Tone.
Let's go, Tone. The baby carrot snack is a good move.
That's when you know trying to get in shape. Dip in some hummus.
You ever do that? No. We actually talked peanut butter and ranch, but

hummus sounds like the healthiest version, which is

why he brought it up. That's where we need to get

to it, sounds like. I go with the Maserati

light ranch dip, which, you know,

I'll get the hummus one day.

What is hummus?

Chickpeas ground up. Sucks.

Whatever chickpeas are. It's Mediterranean?

Chickpeas are chickpeas. Is that what it is?

I believe so, yeah. They grind them up.
It's good, man. I'm telling you i'm telling you get some celery some carrots it's a good little like a little uh you know miniature appetizer situation when you're starving i feel like hummus is like guac where no actually all guac is probably good but there are some hummuses that are better than others okay so for sure um remember i got a text from gary v said he was doing a poll on how do you eat your hummus,

is what he said.

This was a few years back.

And I didn't know what it was.

And I was like,

I don't know what that is.

He goes,

you can eat it in a variety of different forms.

Which way do you eat it?

I didn't know you could,

I guess hummus.

How else do you eat it?

What does he mean?

I thought veggie dipping was basically.

I guess you could put,

people put it on like a sandwich or a wrap.

Peter bread.

Yeah, Peter bread.

Yeah.

I guess it is a versatile thing.

It stinks.

You don't like it?

No.

It's not the best.

Is it Creme-O?

It is Creme-O.

It's a bit Creme-O-ish.

Yeah.

But it doesn't touch Creme-O.

I think it's great.

Is Creme-O American now?

No.

Yeah.

That's what I heard.

Just like the golf, brother.

You can't get Kraft, brother.

Yeah, we got Creme-O and we got the golf. You go on Amazon, it's still 70 bucks to get a bucket of Creamoo.
Well, I think that's more, which is the whole conversation, I think. Hey, when you throw your heart to a group of people.
Yep, yeah. What about it? I'm throwing an overhand if I do.
If I ever throw my heart, I'm throwing an overhand. Bam.
Smart. Catapult.

I think that's a good idea.

I think you had it with the double arm, though.

The two-arm throws.

Yeah, double it.

Boom.

Yeah.

You got to watch it though.

Elon shouldn't do that. The cricket one was good.

The cricket one wasn't bad because it gets a good one.

That was good.

That was good.

You're really good to fucking...

He was dancing around the stage before that.

Yeah, there was a lot of this.

They're really celebrating over there.

Just stick to like...

You can't go wrong with a big thumbs up.

Thank you. He was dancing around the stage before that.
Yeah, there was a lot of this. They were really celebrating over there.
You can't go wrong with thumbs up. Always plays.
Point, always. I'm always pointing.
Triple H, also always pointing. He was pointing a bit.
Yeah, the way he went about pointing, I think, was the thing. I don't think you need to point with all four.
Unless you really need to get a point across, which is what Irbo was saying. Goofball.

I hope that's all.

I hope he's just a

big goofball.

He's throwing

his heart out there. I agree.

It was very...

We'll be back tomorrow.

We're going to throw our hearts out tomorrow With two hands Hell yeah I wish I had two more hands So I could throw my heart out with four palms Bingo Chappelle 18 minutes Saturday Night Live Opening monologue I have not heard it yet because we've been so busy Awesome Anybody listen to it? That's too long for me I saw minutes. I've not been able to commit to it yet because of everything that's been going on.
Yeah, I've only heard his closing remarks. I have also not heard.
His take on Diddy was awesome. Okay, that's my wife brought that up as well.
She says he talks about Diddy in there. I go, what does he say? He says he's based.
She goes, I don't want to ruin it. I'm like, ooh.
So it must be. It's a good angle.
Pretty good. It's a good angle.
Chappelle with a microphone,

going to be worth it.

Mm-hmm.

All right, we'll listen to that.

We'll talk about it tomorrow.

Okay.

That's tomorrow's show.

Boom, how's it?

I thought he was sleeveless.

Huh?

I thought I saw he was sleeveless.

Yeah, he dresses awesome.

Just always with that.

Just sig.

Mm-hmm.

That's a cool look.

It is.

Great.

Remember the guy from World Series of Poker?

He just had that cigar.

Phil Ivey?

And then somebody had a Sig, too.

Yeah.

I forget the name.

Scotty Wynn.

Scotty Wynn, was it?

Scotty Wynn had the unlit cigarette.

Did he?

He used to just dangle a lot of his mouth.

I think so.

Yeah, because he was the Das Polka, baby.

They were legends back then.

There's a lot of characters then.

All of them. I mean, we could probably run through them right now.
Phil Ivey, Phil Hellmuth, Daniel Negronu. Mike the Mouth, Mattisau.
Oh my god, I forgot about Mattisau. The Unabomber.
When there was multiple wins, right? And then that guy was married to that lady who was also a... The Jim Carrey movie.
Poker player. Yes, Jim Carrey.
Jennifer Tilly.

Jennifer Tilly, that's her name.

Who were the commentators?

Norm Chad and Lon. They were so good.

World Series of Poker.

That took over.

Changed my life forever.

It actually changed my life.

Fossilman.

Chris Moneymaker.

Greg Raymer.

Those glasses were the worst.

I hated him. If he was at the table, I was not happy.
Get this guy the fuck out of here. Give me Phil Ivey in here.
Give me Helmuth in here. Give me the kid poker, whatever, Daniel and Groni.
And then rest in peace, Texas Dolly. Obviously.
Love you, door. People really turn that into full professions.
they're still doing it oh yeah i i opened youtube tv because i got sunday ticket on it and they just got a bunch of fucking channels that i haven't seen in a long time down there alphabetic order hate it hate everything about it i think you could change that okay good we need to i need to figure out how to do that sure also you can take the youtube tv delay out there say yes okay i need to do that as well if you've good if you've done it yes it works yes youtube tv is good it is very good and if it's gonna if we can get rid of the delay and we can figure out the search thing it's good but i'll get i don't know five minutes into a fucking down okay hitting down in this thing with a little tiny remote because the tv's remote is a smart tv remote which is a shite remote but i guess you can get actual remotes to plug into it but then i got to fucking code the goddamn remote so yeah i don't have that time who has the time or the ability i don't know so he's this shitty little thing they got a bunch of poker things still going they got house games happening they got tournaments happening i think world series broker just started like maybe a week ago they're still doing it same Still bringing it. Still bringing it.
Still bringing it. I don't know if anybody's watching it, though.
They should. Probably not.
Society needs that. People need poker more.
A little bit more business. These entrepreneurial kids would love poker, I think, if they were to watch it.
Is Mike Chen still doing it? Mike Chen. Talking about Johnny Chan? Johnny Chan.
Yeah, you're right. Mike Chen.
I think Mike Chen is a commentator that I did virtual reality with, I think, in a trailer at Cincinnati for Microsoft or something like that. I think his name.
I forget. I could be wrong.
I never heard of Mike Chen, though. I had a classmate, Mike Chen, I think is where he's coming from.
Where at? Really? Plum? Your elementary school? Yeah, no, yeah. Back at Plum Elementary School.
Yeah, PES. Yeah, there's.
Yeah. Or were you? We got multiple elementary schools.
It was a different school. Oh, she don't go here? Yeah, exactly.
Never heard of it. We know a couple of those.
We don't, actually. Well, we know one.
Let's get to a break. We'll be back tomorrow.
Fun times. Fun times.
What a dumb life. We're standing on that fucking end zone.
Just standing there. Sick.
30 feet away from literally everything happening. What's up with Spanx? What's up with Spanx? That works hard.
Someone had to tell him,

hey, you get the shot no matter what it takes.

This guy wearing these tights and Spanx

with his whole hat and his hair.

Oh, that goofball.

What is his deal?

He is a fucking goofball.

How come I'm turning around?

This guy's always taking pictures of us.

Why are you taking pictures of us, dude?

Just do your fucking thing.

You're waltzing around the field.

We get it.

Fucking get away from us.

What are you doing?

This guy's taking it. The boys watch this guy take how many pictures of us? 20? Yeah.
20 pictures of us? It's weird. Weird, dude.
Mark. Just do your thing.
Let me see you doing your thing on the thing. You look like a pretty good little athlete.
Got great hair. Leave us the fuck alone, Spanx.
Gets the shots. Who's the other guy? The other guy? The other guy? That you called out in the middle of your call.
Got a camera. There is a man with a camera that we do not know directly to our right.
Oh, yeah. Will Howard in shotgun.
Yeah, that's... I mean, that is a problem of mine.
My brain can't do that. Can't not do that.
There's a lot of that at those games, too. Like, you just...
Like, they're very tight with the security, obviously, but you can see how just some fucking random Joe Schmo gets down there and just, oh, yeah, I should be down here. Why not? Absolutely.
No, I think security did a great job. They did.
They were trying not to freeze the entire time. Yeah, they were very cold.
They had security standing at the entrances of these places, which might have had 40-mile-an-hour winds. That means, yeah.
Wind tunnels. Wind tunnels everywhere.
The vacuum effect of these things opening and then air getting, it was just probably 40-mile-an-hour winds, I will say, because it was like actively blowing Jacket, like had to keep Jacket on, fight it a little bit, and it was freezing cold. And he's scared to be like, you got your badge.
Do you have badge do you have a soul right now yeah do you have uh scan your badge for this one that's the first time we had to scan our credential to get on there the first time really you came from the top you came through the crowd so that was that was pre-game i think like when you you know how the pre-game like once the team when the team's on the field and you can watch for a little bit and they have the ropes like the roped off sections it sections, it was for those. But for some reason, we had the scan artist as well.
Yeah, I probably assume there's different levels to what people purchased. A lot of money spent last night in there.
Not on the concessions, though. That was cool to learn that.
Awesome. Oh, yeah.
That whole board for $40. Crazy.
Crazy. That was so good.
That started other places doing that, too. I remember when they opened Arthur Blank, that was a big deal, making things.
I know other places like Utah. I know a lot of places are trying to do that because ticket prices are a billion dollars.
How about the $20 pizza, popcorn, pretzel? Nachos. Chicken fingers.
$20 for each thing. That's what people are programmed to think at these venues.
It's like $20 for a piece of pizza? It's like, no, $20 for the whole thing. Take my money.
That is kind of how you feel whenever you hear these prices. People are paying $2,200 average resale price last night to get in there.
Let alone down to lower bull. That means more than that.
The average price is that. Let alone what everything else is.
Yeah, it was awesome. I really appreciate that they were doing it.
Levy Dining? Is that what it was called? Levy Restaurant? They run a bunch of stadiums. Just like Sodexo Live is in a bunch.
So Levy probably does a bunch. Sodexo does a bunch of these commercial stuff.
Five bucks for a Bud Light is fucking insane. I mean, they'll charge 18 bucks for that.
Anywhere else. Yeah, because they know you're going to need it.
They know you're going to... Some of you might it.
Yeah. And there's no other place you can't bring outside in.
Right. You want it.
So they can charge wherever they want for that. That's like at the Kentucky Derby taking those bets.
They can rake whatever they want on top of it. Yeah.
Not that they do. I'm just saying this is the only option.
This is the only, anytime they got you, they try to take advantage of you. So they're not doing it is a big deal.
Should be talked about. For sure.
Shout out, Art. Way to go, Art.
Atta boy, Art. Gouging people at Home Depot, but we don't need to get into that.
What's up with this lumber? Exactly. I don't love what's going on.
Exactly. Splatch, eh? Yeah, it's the suppliers.
Yeah. All right.
I've been watching Lorax. Mm-hmm.
Dr. Seuss.
That's right. That little fucker loves the woods.
You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I don't think I've seen some love trees more than that thing.
Mm-hmm. And it is.
It's certainly Avril. I love that guy.
Yeah. I love the way he operates.
Those trees look so awesome. Mm-hmm.
That's Dr. Seuss football.
Sneedville? I forget the Sneedville? T-H-N-E-E-Dville? And I wonder how close it is to Whoville? I don't know. I'm just getting into these.
There it is. That little fucker with the mustache right there loves trees.
Oh, yeah. All about it.
Loves force. Loves it.
And I love the way he takes a stand. You know, because these other little fuckers get kind of bullied and swayed pretty quickly.
These little things, they're not very loyal. And these things will do whatever you tell them.
You throw a marshmallow in front of them, these things, they'll turn on you. No questions asked.
That fucker with the mustache is the real deal. We need more with the mustache out there.
I would actually put him into a position of power in our world if I had a chance. And that guy, a little much you know a little bit too much bravado is just walking to somebody else's woods the way he did sure this is my first time learning any of these stories watched and read none of these things growing up so it's been fun to kind of learn alongside mckenzie about what we should be liking what we shouldn't be liking you know because i think sometimes stories telling one particular story and i'm like wait a second i feel like we got it wrong here and that's gonna happen between me and kenzie and that's uh that's where i'm headed right now i'm gonna go see the baby girl a little bit we'll be back tomorrow with a great program huge huge guest tomorrow yeah do you remember yeah can't wait age you remember obama i do not believe president obama don burial.
I was Dana looking at him. There it is.
Dana was just trying to get eyes on him. Dana was just, you know.
Yeah, just taking a look. That's the first time probably seeing him.
Yeah. Wow.
Just like we did when Will Howard walked by. He's tall.
Whoa. Holy shit.
How tall are I? He's always going to to be. Did Conor Greger snag up Logan's mom? Yeah.
Theo Vaughn gave a strict warning not to do that. So, and then he ended up on the ground.
So, what a moment. What a time.
We're lucky to be alive. We will be your distractions from the sports world for as long as you will have us.
We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. And when we do this incredibly cool stuff, we feel as if, and we hope as if, you feel that you're doing it with us.
You know? We can't get past this for everybody watching the show to come do everything we do. Sure.
But we hope that you get a chance to maybe say, you know, these dipshits, they know they're living the dumbest life of all time. We're very lucky.
We're very fortunate. We're very thankful.
And we'll be back tomorrow. Be a friend.
Tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
We're in this thing together. Team on me.
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