PMS 2.0 1269 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 17 Recap, Adam Schefter, Bill Belichick, JJ Watt, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this magical Overreaction Monday, December 30th, 2024, this program starts mouth!

Speaker 1 Football! It is amazing, and obviously, the college football playoffs pick right back up on this beautiful week of football mattering.

Speaker 1 Now, there is a football game tonight to wrap up week 17 of the NFL schedule, and it means absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 That is just a matter of fact the Lions are taking on the Niners and looking ahead to this season you would think that this would be a showcase, obviously a rematch from last year's playoffs between these two teams.

Speaker 1 Two teams that are going to be vying for the number one overall seed. So let's put them on Monday night football.
It's going to be great.

Speaker 1 I don't blame them and obviously the Niners season has gone how it's gone and now the Lions have worked themselves into a point where their second to last game doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Now for a couple teams, their last game does not matter.

Speaker 1 There's already been, you know, a number one seed locked in in the AFC, the Kansas City Chiefs, and there's been a number two seed locked in in the NFC, the Philadelphia Eagles. And A.J.

Speaker 1 Brown came out and said one half of the hammer Cowboys AP tone. That he was going to rest up, heal up, and get ready for it.
Okay, so A.J. Brown said, You can count me out for week 18.

Speaker 1 Okay, if we're already going to be locked in to a number two overall seed, the number one overall seed on the NFC side will be decided next week, whenever the Vikings and Lions do battle.

Speaker 1 So, if you think about the season shaping up,

Speaker 1 we got the number one seed on the AFC side.

Speaker 1 We got six AFC playoff spots wide open.

Speaker 1 And then on the NFC side, damn near the same thing, except for the number one seed, still up for grabs.

Speaker 1 And there's going to be a team that's going to have 13 or 14 wins that is going to be a number five seed playing in Super Wildcard weekend on the NFC side. Magic is on the horizon.

Speaker 1 Awards season is right around the corner. Let's go to the toxic table.
We have Boston Conner and that Ty Schmidt. Con man, your team stinks.
Yeah. But still a lot to play for.

Speaker 1 You know, number one overall. See, we're talking about the playoffs.
Cool. I understand we all want want to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 There's a heated race for the number one overall pick that concludes this upcoming Sunday.

Speaker 1 And obviously, massive news this weekend was the Patriots losing on Saturday, 40 to 7, and the Giants winning, moving the Patriots to that number one option, which is huge.

Speaker 1 I mean, look, we knew this year for New England was kind of a wash. We knew it was a bridge year, but did we know it was going to be a number one overall pick competition? year? No, but here we are.

Speaker 1 And we love the spot we're in. And I think everyone in New England's hoping we lose again once again on Sunday and see what happens in this week because a lot's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Heard there were some boo-birds potentially happening up there in New England. There were some chants happening in the fourth quarter up there in New England.
And Drake May, after an early scare,

Speaker 1 for a concussion on the sideline there, comes back and plays, had some magical plays. I think everybody, which is weird because they are 3-13 and they got their, you know, shit pushed here

Speaker 1 by the Los Angeles Chargers. Oh, did they? In a big way, in a big, big way at home up in Foxborough across the country, 10 a.m.
kick for the Chargers, 10 a.m. local time kick in the cold.

Speaker 1 They get their absolute asses handed to them, but there is a lot of

Speaker 1 content, we'll say, or content, contempt from the Patriots fans. And now that's only opening up the rumor mill even more.
What do the Patriots look like going forward?

Speaker 1 Everybody assumes and knows that Drake May is a guy, but will they be able to figure everything else out?

Speaker 1 And for the Chargers' sake, geez, Louise, let's go to nine-year NFL vet, host of Everything DB, Good D, Bad D. This Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 1 This year one of Jim Harbaugh going on a run, that's the reason why the Patriots are in the position that they're in right now is because Harbaugh went up there and beat the hell out of them.

Speaker 1 And now, the Chargers, congratulations to the Chargers.

Speaker 1 Blocked the playoff spot.

Speaker 1 One year with Jim Harbaugh. What are the realistic expectations for this team as they hit the playoffs, you think, D-Buck?

Speaker 2 I mean, look, Dano called it. You know, he saw it with the Chargers.
A couple other people saw it too.

Speaker 2 But look, you bring Jim Harbaugh in, and in a calendar year, he brought the Michigan Wolverines undefeated season, national championship we were on the field when they did it and then he comes into the NFL and gets this team into the playoffs in year one we saw with Justin Herbert you know he broke the record for most passive yards in his first five years but we just saw at the top he had to change offensive coordinators had to change head coaches a couple times you bring in hardball and they start playing their hardball football defensively offensively and now they're in a position where they can compete once you get in the dance anybody can beat anybody when you have a quarterback especially you can go up and you like your chances against any team absolutely and there's weapons on that team and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Lad McConkey and Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 What at Lad. Yeah, surprise.

Speaker 1 They're literally just like this. It almost feels like the way Burrow and Chase feel.
Cincinnati Bengals get another massive win and they are still lurking

Speaker 1 for that last AFC playoff spot. Let's go back to the NFC, the number one seed race.
The Vikings are in that because of a magical comeback win over the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 Let's go to At Ty Schmidt, one half at the Toxic Table. What does this mean about the Packers, buddy? I saw you were a little bummed out, it seems like about it.
No, I don't think bummed out.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think it's what we said a couple weeks ago. They're probably a year away, year or two years away.

Speaker 1 It just, you know, hey, against the, you got to beat the good teams if you want to win a Super Bowl against the Eagles, the Vikings, and the Lions. They are a combined 0-5.

Speaker 1 So, you know, that's not great going into the playoffs. And now they slide down to the seven seed.
Probably going to have to go to Philly in the first round.

Speaker 1 It just, you know, you can't start slow against these good teams like this. It's what they did both Vikings games and against the Lions.

Speaker 1 You can't let teams that good get out to big leads and then have to rely on, you know, scoring 17 points in the fourth quarter. I mean, they gave it their best shot.

Speaker 1 You know, they came back and made it seem a lot closer than it actually was. But, I mean, you know, the Packers are still probably a year away.
So, you know, I'm not too upset about it. And in

Speaker 1 all due respect, the teams you just mentioned, Magono and 5-2, very good football teams. This Vikings team is awesome.

Speaker 1 They're fun to watch. Unbelievable.
They have a great top five defense, obviously, with B-Flow over there. People are saying that he's going to become a head coach.

Speaker 1 And Sam Darnold having this rebirth in Minnesota is so beautiful. I don't know if you got a chance to see the clip from the locker room after a big-time win.
They're lifting Sam up like he's Rudy.

Speaker 1 And Kevin O'Connell, look at Kevin O'Connell. It's a movie scene.
The head coach looking over. Happy for my guy right there.
You put some music over that, like some cinematic,

Speaker 1 dramatic music there with Kevin O'Connell looking over at his guy. They counted him out.
They said he's stunk. He was in New York, then he was in Carolina, then he was in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 This guy's never going to be great. Now, this is what it's all about.
His team lifting him up on their shoulders.

Speaker 1 You think that team didn't just send a message to everybody in that building, like, hey, we've been hearing the chatter about who's our quarterback next year.

Speaker 1 This is our guy, Sam Donnell, where he has done with Kevin O'Connell and this Minnesota Vikings team this year. Nothing short of spectacular and awesome.

Speaker 1 And they could be the number one seed in the NFC.

Speaker 1 Their top 10, or I'm sorry, their first round draft pick, J.J. McCarthy, a quarterback gets hurt.
They let Kirk Cousins go because the deal was going to be too big.

Speaker 1 They wouldn't be able to afford them. Kevin O'Connell had like five different quarterbacks last year.

Speaker 1 The football gods were seemingly working against the Minnesota Vikings for the last two football seasons. And now,

Speaker 1 now they have 14 wins and they're about to be battling for the number one overall seed. Can't say enough good things about everything taking place in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 Obviously, it starts with the quarterback, in my opinion, but the culture, you know, it's going to be a lot of head coaches hired, you know, this up and and coming cycle like it is every year.

Speaker 2 Hit an absolute home run with Kevin O'Connell with the culture that he set, obviously on the offensive side of the ball. Then you hire Brian Flores, what he's been able to do with the defense.

Speaker 2 And then Sam Darno, we know skill set matters, talent matters. He was drafted at the top of the draft when he came out, number three overall.

Speaker 2 Couldn't find it, couldn't figure it out in New York, moved on to a few different places. I think Ben and Sam Fran was huge for him as well.

Speaker 2 But then getting into this system with these playmakers around him, he has been phenomenal from week one to now.

Speaker 2 Now, like you said, in the chance to have a number one seed, I think their win total coming into the season was like, what, six, six and a half, something like that. So you didn't expect much.

Speaker 2 Drafted J.J. McCarthy in the first round.
Definitely going to have to make a decision.

Speaker 2 But seeing that post-game locker room with how this team, how this organization, how this city, I'm sure, now feels about Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 It's going to be hard to move on from 14 going forward, but they got a lot of unfinished business right now this year.

Speaker 1 They're going to have to hope that Sam Darnold gives a hometown discount. I think.
Oh, yeah. With what Sam Darnold has been able to accomplish.
And I'm not saying that Sam Sam Darnold won't do that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I think there's a chance that Sam Donald's been around a block a couple different times, finds his home and says, wow, this is much better than any other experience I've had in any other building that I've played for.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I'm playing my best ball. But if somebody offers him $45 million, $50 million a year, I mean, what the hell? Yeah.
That's going to be tough to say no to.

Speaker 1 Are the Vikings going to be able to do that after paying Justin Jefferson? Jordan Addison is going to have to get paid as well, the way the defense is playing.

Speaker 1 I'm sure there's going to have to be money allocated to different people over there. So it's like, that's a huge decision for the Vikings.

Speaker 1 And hopefully they'll they'll be able to come together and keep that. It's crazy.
Yeah. In Minnesota.
That's incredible. Because

Speaker 1 he, I mean, so much vindication, I assume, Sam.

Speaker 1 Just after you're the guy, you're the guy, you're the guy, you're the guy, you're the guy, you're the guy. He was drafted, what, like 20 or something? I think he was like very.

Speaker 1 No, no, 20 years old. 20 years old.
Oh, yeah. I think he was like 20 years old or something like that.
Like, this is the guy that's New York, too.

Speaker 2 So that everything that comes with that.

Speaker 1 Then bad. Mad, bad.
Gaze.

Speaker 1 Bad, bad. Everything under that umbrella.
The worst. The worst possible situation.

Speaker 1 The more we learn, the more we learn about the Jets, looking back on situations, going, holy. There's a 12-year-old.
Oh, my. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 We're not going to get it.

Speaker 1 You're a heartbreaker. He's a kid.

Speaker 2 Got a lot of time to figure out. A lot of time.

Speaker 1 Yes, he certainly does. But Sam Darnold, bouncing around, especially in the offseason with the training, getting better, getting better, staying focused, being like, my time will come.

Speaker 1 My time will come. My time will come.
Signing a one-year, $10 million deal with the Minnesota Vikings. That's a prove-it deal.

Speaker 1 That's probably the last one that's coming if it doesn't work out the way it does. And instead, now they're battling for the number one seed in the entire NFC, and he's being hoisted up on shoulders.

Speaker 1 Now, I say they're battling for the number one seed, the NFC. Let's go ahead and listen to Steve Cornacki from NBC.
This guy, hey. The GOAT.

Speaker 1 So good. So good.
So good. Here's Cornaki last night talking about the number one seed in the NFC situation.

Speaker 3 The last time the Vikings were the NFC number one a quarter century ago, and in the half century they've been doing playoff seating. The Lions have never been number one.

Speaker 3 Now, by holding off the Packers, the Vikings do for the moment move into that number one spot.

Speaker 3 But you see, even with that, only a 39% chance of staying there, that's because Detroit still has to play the Niners tomorrow.

Speaker 3 And no matter what happens in that game, next week, as you say, is for all the Marbles. Vikings will be going to Detroit.
So Detroit is favored because of that. And the stakes here doubly high.

Speaker 3 This won't just be...

Speaker 3 for the one seed for the buy for home field but again because they're from the same division whoever doesn't win next week is going to tumble all the way to the fifth seed and will make the playoffs as a wildcard team, potentially looking at a 14-win wildcard team.

Speaker 3 If we ever seen that before, the 99 Titans, they were 13 and three. This might be a first that we're looking at.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Cornaki, obviously.

Speaker 1 Duggo.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 no questions asked. And the reason why it doesn't matter is because they would both end up 14-3.
If the Lions were to lose to the Niners tonight, they'd be 13-3. The Vikings sitting at 14-2.

Speaker 1 If the Lions were to beat the Vikings next week, they would both be 14-3, and it would be a clean sweep Lions of the Vikings on the season because they already beat them once already this season.

Speaker 1 So you're talking about some massive stakes in the NFC North next Sunday night. Got flexed in, right? Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Hey, last week of the year in Detroit for the one seed for the division.
Doesn't get any better than this, boys. Let's go.
You only get one shot. Don't miss your chance to blow.

Speaker 1 Opportunity comes

Speaker 1 in a lifetime. Is that three years in a row lines or Sunday night last week of the year? Yeah, because those Packers went through your lines.

Speaker 1 Maybe not last year, but two of the last few years, definitely. And that's, hey, that's Motor City football.
Exactly. That's MCDC football.
Times have changed, man. It's so awesome to see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it could be a five-seed that having a ton of time. That's all right.
Got to be who's in front of you.

Speaker 1 Go to Tampa.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Sam Darnold's teammate.
Oh, no. You don't want the red-hot Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of people are doing the comparisons to the Carolina Panthers quarterback room to what they used to do with that Washington

Speaker 1 Botch. What was that team? The Washington.

Speaker 1 What year was it? You said it last week. It was

Speaker 1 Shanahan was a panic. Oh, historically speaking, they were the Washington Redskins.
Oh, yeah, the Washington Redskins taken.

Speaker 1 Whenever they had all those coaches in there, people are calling that Carolina quarterback room the same thing.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, all the rebirths that are happening around the NFL for these older quarterbacks past their first contract, trying to figure it out, are we bus? Are we middle of the road?

Speaker 1 Or are we potentially good quarterbacks? They're all basically dying in Carolina at one point. David Tepper said, you know, give me all these guys.

Speaker 1 We weren't able to figure it out with any of them, but now they are able to go elsewhere and do it. Bryce Young, I still think, is going to be great.
Now let's go to the AFC side.

Speaker 1 Cornacki had another breakdown on the AFC side about the number seven overall seed, which is obviously the last and final wild card weekend slot on the AFC side of things.

Speaker 3 teams going for that final spot. Denver now sits in it.
Here's the playoff checklist for each of these teams.

Speaker 3 Look, the the Broncos, if they could have just beaten Cincinnati yesterday, that would have been enough. They would have clinched.
Instead, they miss. Next week, they host Kansas City.

Speaker 3 Are the Chiefs resting starters? The Broncos, if they win that game, check mark, they're in the playoffs. That's it.

Speaker 3 But if the Broncos lose next week, look, it's a check mark for both the Dolphins and for the Bengals. And look how wide open the door would be for the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 They would then just need to beat the Jets. would be the Dolphins making the playoffs.
From the Bengals standpoint, they need Miami to lose next week on top of Denver.

Speaker 3 If both of those things happen, no small order here, but Cincinnati just has to beat Pittsburgh, do all of those things.

Speaker 3 The Bengals would end the year on a five-game winning streak, would sneak into the playoffs and would go to Buffalo against a Bills team that would probably rather play someone else.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 I mean, Cornaki's cooking, but there's so many different scenarios here for this number seven overall seed in the AFC. playoff picture.
Still lurking.

Speaker 1 Miami Dolphins go into the cold and get a big time win. Let's go to to one half of the hammer.
Done. Cowboys bubblegumpy and a lurking dolphins gumpy.

Speaker 4 I don't think many people watch the game, but Snoop Huntley had in all-time performance. And

Speaker 4 I'm not exaggerating. He scored.
He ran for one. He was throwing it all over.
I think he only had a few incompletions. And then our defense has been lights out the whole second half of the year.

Speaker 4 Carl Wentz just got to give us a chance on Sunday to get it.

Speaker 1 Listen, Carl Wentz, we don't know if he's playing right. We have no clue what has been announced.

Speaker 4 Shreg said Carl Wentz for a half and then maybe their other guy for the second half.

Speaker 1 Oh, so Patrick Mahomes won't even pull Cam Ward. He'll just play none of the game.

Speaker 4 Well, he might ruin football if he does that, according to some people.

Speaker 1 I didn't love it.

Speaker 1 The fact that he played, I was pretty pumped up that Cam Ward was playing in that particular game. Pop-Tart Bowl was awesome.
Yeah, Pop-Tart Bowl is going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 Perhaps Matt Campbell leads the Iowa State Cyclones to the first ever 11-win season in the history of Iowa State or whatever. First ever 10-win season, I think, in the history of Iowa State.

Speaker 1 And the Pop-Tart obviously

Speaker 1 had to go. Did you see the frosted strawberry off in the back? Yeah, back.
Rose from the dead. Kind of scared to get in between the smoke.

Speaker 1 You know, and once you die, I guess you don't want to die again. It was very high on top of the stadium.

Speaker 1 Stood right behind the smoke, though, in the camera angle, so couldn't get a good glimpse, but we got the point. Pop-tart's bowl, obviously bringing a lot of passion.
Now,

Speaker 1 it's awesome. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 And you can eat this, by the way. You can eat this.

Speaker 1 That thing was just alive right on top. Rocco Beck to Coach Campbell and the boys obviously start hassing it.
Yep. That's a Bullsin's body.
Yo, you didn't see, Pat.

Speaker 5 You didn't see it on Frosted Pop-Tart.

Speaker 6 Every Pop-Tart there was frosted, covered with delicious frosting and ice cream.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't even think about how the Pop-Tarts bowl decided not to ruin it for anybody and put the non-frosted Pop-Tarts in there.

Speaker 1 But nonetheless, Cam Ward could have went back in, down one, fourth quarter. Okay.
He's staying everywhere on the sideline.

Speaker 1 How long has he been staying everywhere for uh what about an hour and 15 minutes could just hop back in there right in just got to do one drive down the field what are we even talking about yeah he's quit all his teammates pat damn it i do i understand why people are saying that i don't now granted i think somebody brought it up last week on the program about like are shador and travis going to play the entire game i think somebody brought it up i forget who that was uh that was joe fortune's angle because he was taking caller out of first half by you full game on esp and bet live or whatever it was yes yes because first half of the byu full game, he ends up hitting that, by the way.

Speaker 1 Not the first half, but the full game BYU. Dominating performance.

Speaker 1 Absolutely dominating performance.

Speaker 1 We were wrong, obviously, up on the game they said, other than Coach Lee Corso, but he presented the idea that Shador and Travis and everybody would only play for one half and then everybody would play for the second half.

Speaker 1 And I remember thinking, I said, well,

Speaker 1 why would they do that? Why would that be the case? That was not the case for Colorado. It was the case for KM Ward.
I don't know if this is going to become the new normal.

Speaker 1 I think there is a chance that

Speaker 1 some of the NIL bonus money and deals that have been signed, I think the bowl game is a part of that. Like, there's an incentive to play in bowl games.
Smart.

Speaker 1 So, I think start however many games, too, I think that is a part of some of these deals that have been written.

Speaker 1 Now, what do these deals mean April 8th when the revenue share comes in and there's a whole ruling and everything? I don't know, but I think that is why we saw some people play.

Speaker 1 And then, obviously, Prime getting the shut up, by the way. Shut up.
Shut up. Wow.
Shut up. Close.

Speaker 1 Bill McCumbness got me these. Bill Coons?

Speaker 1 Bill McCumbin's got me these.

Speaker 2 I've been seeing that shoe a lot.

Speaker 1 It's a nice shoe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, it's all different colors.

Speaker 1 Makes me feel athletic. It makes me feel real.
Great shoe. Is that the shoe they put in the grinder in Jumanji?

Speaker 1 You know, I wish I had that full 40. I don't have it either.

Speaker 1 I've been watching the Grinch show. You know, when they put the Grint

Speaker 1 the Christmas wrapper,

Speaker 1 the boom, when people, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's going down the car? Jerk Coon or Jim Carrey? Jim Carrey one. Jim Carrey one.
Jim Carrey one. Anyways, Prime got insurance for all the guys.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Love that. Which

Speaker 1 I think Coach Sabin has told us about that process of insuring his guys so they would play and the process of it all in Colorado fronting the bill for the insurance for the guys to play is cool.

Speaker 1 It's expensive. But I think very much so.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a whole money grab for those insurance companies.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I had to get one because I was franchise tagged.

Speaker 2 That's all. And what would have to happen first?

Speaker 1 So I would have needed to be on a football field practicing, and somehow my leg gets sawed off. Just

Speaker 1 sawed off somehow. Chris Angel comes through.
Yes, and takes my leg off and puts it on somebody somebody else's body.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, I can get the 10 million or whatever it was, Lloyd's London contract.

Speaker 1 Signed it because I was just thought I was supposed to. Like franchise tag, you get insurance.
Sure. People say, you shouldn't shoot that leg of yours.
You only go one year of payment here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm going to be a millionaire. That ain't going to last forever.
Okay, Mr. McIntosh, you're saying blanket.

Speaker 1 This is a whole new world.

Speaker 1 You're going to want to get insurance. Here's the people you want to get to.
This is how you want to sign up for it. This is how much it costs.
50. It was like 40 grand or something like that.

Speaker 1 35 grand.

Speaker 1 35, 40 grand. Would have got like 10 million, but

Speaker 1 that contract's pretty thick. Yeah.
And then you start rolling in a page like 35, 40. It's like, how do I get this money?

Speaker 1 You're going. You don't, actually.
Yeah, thanks for actually just giving it. You just.
Thanks for the premium.

Speaker 1 Hey, but if, but if, you can never kick a ball again, which is kind of what it was, we got your back. You know, and it's like, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 But in for Travis Hunter, Shador, a lot on the line for them to play there, especially if they're projected top five picks in its entirety, which I saw these wearing New York Giants cleats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, with the logo and everything. The Giants had number one overall pick.
They don't anymore.

Speaker 1 Because they got a big win over to Colts. Colts have been eliminated from playoff contention.

Speaker 1 They're the only ones that went into the weekend lurking, knew they had an opportunity to still make the playoffs and end up losing.

Speaker 1 And they lost to the New York Giants football team, and a lot of people didn't know they were still playing football over there, but I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 Drew Locke might be a guy. What it all might be.
Drew Locke might be a guy. Five touchdowns.
Him and neighbors.

Speaker 1 Is that a tag team of the future over there? Yes. The New York Football Giants.
It looked like it. It certainly looked like it.

Speaker 1 And remember, while this game's happening, you're watching these highlights, the Indianapolis Colts still very much in it.

Speaker 1 All they would have to do is, you know, just win out against the New York Giants team. They already got a win in MetLife against the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 They, going into this game, had more wins in this stadium than the team they were playing against. But Drew Locke put that thing on.
He did. And when Drew Locke gets hot, it's unstoppable.

Speaker 1 Joe Flacco did everything he could. You know,

Speaker 1 there was a couple turnovers, obviously. There was a couple touchdowns that were thrown.
We're in it. But inevitably, 45 points.

Speaker 1 45. 45 points.
For the Giants. Total?

Speaker 1 No, for the one team. The New York Football Giants.
Oh, sports. 45 points.
In a game, you need to win.

Speaker 1 The Giants were the only dog to win yesterday.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 The only? Only? Well,

Speaker 1 it was 14-1 and 13-2. The dog or the favorites were yesterday.
The Titans and Jags were basically a pick'em, so whichever book you looked at. But yeah,

Speaker 1 let's just say the Colts were the only favorite to lose. Yeah, and it was all three phases of the Indianapolis Colts.
And

Speaker 1 that led to me typing something up on X. Sure.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And the only reason why I felt obligated to put this particular message out is because the things that people were saying to me.

Speaker 1 As I was observing and reporting on the Indianapolis Colts, as somebody that has been, you know, in the city, obviously,

Speaker 1 at all the games, like two hours before games start, watching everything, how it goes, because I don't know any of these guys on this team, really. I don't know any of them.
No relationship with them.

Speaker 1 Now, my fault probably, but also whenever Jonathan Taylor did what he did last year to start training camp as our superstar and our best player, and he was just pot with a hoodie on for the first two and a half weeks of Shane Steichen and Anthony Richardson trying to set a brand new culture, a culture that is only existent because all the pillars that are still on the team now earned the team the number four overall pick because of how bad they were.

Speaker 1 Okay, so whenever that whole thing starts, I have to point out the fact like, hey, this would be a lot easier if you just, you know, didn't do this and kind of set precedent and showcase that this is how it is.

Speaker 1 Inevitably, it was right business move.

Speaker 1 Chris Ballard, Jim Merce rewarded. Jonathan Taylor and that particular action while they're trying to build a brand new culture in there with a new head coach and a new quarterback and everything.

Speaker 1 And I think from that moment, the way I spoke about it, kind of, you know, hey, that guy is not one of us type thing. Sweet, all good.
I actually kind of expected. I understand that completely.

Speaker 1 But I feel like I was very optimistic about this team for a very long time.

Speaker 1 In every microphone that I could find, I would talk about the Indianapolis Colts having a way, the Indianapolis Colts having a great team. I would show up at every single game.

Speaker 1 Shit, I fucking named the stadium. Okay.
I mean, that is, and then I'm a part of all their shit, pretty much. All of the Colts stuff.
Very much proud of that fact, too.

Speaker 1 I have a lot of friends in that building, obviously, that have been there a long time. The OGs that I referenced, I would like to see this team get good for them.

Speaker 1 But the players just like have never won. This group of players has never won here.
Haven't won the AFC South in 10 years.

Speaker 1 Think about how good the AFC South has been for the last 10 years.

Speaker 1 Great. Powerhouse.
Top to win. One of the best.
But all these guys that are, not all these guys, most of these guys that are on this team have been here for the entirety of it.

Speaker 1 Chris Ballard, who I think is a good man. Okay.
He's a very good man. Great hair, great accent.
He always says, I trust our guys. I trust our guys.

Speaker 1 He's paid all these guys that have been here for a long time. They still have never won.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, the whole thing starts happening with me pointing out the tapping out thing of a quarterback on a third down in a red zone in a game that you need to win. And he says, I was tired.

Speaker 1 That's all.

Speaker 1 It's like inside voices don't need to say that. The fact that you think you could say that leads me to believe that you literally have no awareness of any repercussions of anything.

Speaker 1 There's no accountability anywhere. So obviously it was bummer to hear Anthony Richardson, a man who has so much potential, so much.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're talking about being able to throw, what, 62 yards off his back foot like this into a a bucket, being able to run 4-5-4-4 at 260 pounds, might be 290 right now. Who knows? Whatever.

Speaker 1 He is immensely gifted. I mean, it is bananas to think about how great he is.
But then you start putting pieces together, start watching things, you see the tap out.

Speaker 1 That's not the only time he's tapped out of a game with no problems. Happened in his first year, too.

Speaker 1 If you watch those first five games that he played, there's like two, three different times where he's off the field. And then what was the, what happened medically? Nothing.

Speaker 1 He's just, he's back practice Wednesday. It was like, well, what happened? He was sore.
And then this week it was being described as he's back and his foot are sore, which is why he's not practicing.

Speaker 1 And it's like, okay, it turns out it's back spasms. So we hope he's okay.
But that one little tap out thing was an indicator of how the entire culture in that building is.

Speaker 1 If your franchise quarterback thinks it's all right just to be like, nope, I don't want to be on the field.

Speaker 1 If he thinks it's okay to just not work hard, which was the reports that came out immediately after the benching, it was like he started preparing a lot better.

Speaker 1 He became the guy who was the first one in. He started becoming a professional after the benching.
The OGs had to go talk to him. It's like, well, what had been happening before that moment?

Speaker 1 And then obviously my face gets used as like,

Speaker 1 hey, this guy's an enemy of the Colts. What the national media is saying? No, everything I said about your team was right.
And everything I said about your locker room was right.

Speaker 1 And you have won nothing. You have won absolutely nothing.
I was just a punter. I very much understand that.
I saw a lot of people saying, this guy's just a punter.

Speaker 1 Well, if I'm just a punter, I don't know. The view, 10 million views or something like that on that thing.

Speaker 1 Just a punter writes up pretty fucking good, I guess, and basically summarizes how a lot of these Colts fans feel about this particular era of this team. There's no accountability.

Speaker 1 They're seemingly just not really aware of anything that's going on. And they don't seem to give a fuck at all about the Indianapolis Colts.
I understand it's a business.

Speaker 1 I understand it's a profession, but I just felt like I had to get off my chest. Some people said, you know, is this how long this take? It does take weeks.

Speaker 1 You start writing this or whatever it happens. It was like, no, no, that came together pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 That came together pretty quickly, about 20 minutes or so, just because it was all natural thoughts that I had. Late to meetings, like nobody that's good does that.
Nobody that's good.

Speaker 1 Missing or skipping treatment, nobody that's good does that. Having preparation questions publicly, nobody has that.
Work ethic questions publicly, like nobody has that. Nobody good has that problem.

Speaker 1 It's not a professional operation over there. So whenever I have to point it out, it's like I become an enemy as opposed to somebody that's being like, hey, we got to tighten our shit up.

Speaker 1 But I don't know if you can flip that switch, which I said in that. I don't know if you could just become a professional overnight either.
I don't know how that happens.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the future looks like for the Colts, but I do know there's a lot of us from what I've learned from reading the responses to that, that are Colts fans, which I am, that are about fed up with it.

Speaker 1 There's not really many likable pieces to this Indianapolis Colts team. And then the podcast stuff on a losing team, it's like, I get it that I made content when I was playing.

Speaker 1 And when I was young, I had to go through a lot of learning lessons as well. But a lot of these guys are older and they haven't won and they're doing a lot of shit that bums do.

Speaker 1 And it's like, somebody has to push that, point that out. And I'll do it.
And I'm not the only one. There's a lot of people that are pointing it out here about the Colts.
Yesterday was a bummer.

Speaker 1 Boy. It was a bummer.
That should have been, we should still be lurking.

Speaker 1 At least there's something to have hope for going into the final week. Jacksonville, who can't beat anybody but the Colts,

Speaker 1 which goes back to you guys still talking, doing podcasts, acting like you're something. The Colts, I'm not getting into it.
Salute to Service Award,

Speaker 1 which is obviously a massive ordeal, especially here in Indianapolis, Indiana, which is an award given to somebody on each team for their their service back to the military.

Speaker 1 And how I was very lucky to win that award multiple times. I became a finalist in the NFL, felt honored to do it.
Here in Indiana, the amount of military personnel there is,

Speaker 1 the amount of military everywhere. Camp Atterbury is about an hour south of here.
They're sending people to war down there. I mean, this is a very, very, very big military hub.

Speaker 1 You heard about the shelter downtown before the winner. The Colts gave that to Blue, the Salute to Service Award winner.

Speaker 1 It's like the Colts gave the award to themselves for what they do for the military in indianapolis it's like so nobody on the team who's blue blue's the mascot oh yeah that's the colts like that is the colts they tell him where to go so it's like you just start adding up all these things it's like who are you guys like why do you think you are who you are and it's because they all got paid they've all been here and there's never been anybody that's like hey you can't just stink and get away with it well you can't because they have and they are continuing to do so man i and as a as a former co-build a lot a lot of people saw your tweet you saw my so many i did not expect that i put that down by the way came back saw it at 6.8 whoa yeah all right yeah people thought i was like mad when i was writing i wasn't mad i was just like this is just a matter of fact

Speaker 2 these are just all the things how i feel about the situation yeah you and like you said you can't i don't think you could just flip the switch you know it's it's it's a it's a culture issue at that point because you're coming in like you said lurking and you're going you looked at the schedule a couple weeks go okay we got these two teams we handle our business obviously some other things got to happen but then to see effort, you know, talent is one thing.

Speaker 2 And I feel like we have the talent on the team.

Speaker 2 So when you go into and playing the New York Giants and you lay an egg like that, they put up 45 on you, and then we're just watching the tape, watching the game, and seeing the effort.

Speaker 2 Extremely, extremely disappointing. You see what's going on in Minnesota with what Questie and KOC have done.

Speaker 2 You see what's going on in Detroit with Brad Holmes and MCDC have done it in other places as well. The Rams.
The Rams came into this season, a bunch of young pieces on defense.

Speaker 2 Obviously, Stafford didn't know what was going on there, and they won the damn NFC West. So like when you,

Speaker 2 it comes down to the leadership, and that's from the top down, not only the players, and then the players, you got to police each other.

Speaker 2 You got to create that culture and enforce that culture in the locker room. And like you said, we know a lot of people in that building.
Shout out to Dave Hammer, who this

Speaker 2 probably be his last season there, but he's been there since 1984.

Speaker 1 Had like trainer, yeah.

Speaker 2 He's been there since 84. So he's seen a bunch of different tenures.
A lot of those guys, the training room, equipment room, former players.

Speaker 2 You know, I know it's a lot of new fans who maybe have been fans of the Colts for, you know, four, five, six, seven years and think they know it all.

Speaker 2 But when you talk about the people who have laid the foundation of the organization and what they put out there on tape and on the field, as professionals, you obviously got to look at yourself and check yourself, and then you got to be able to check each other.

Speaker 2 And the only way you can check somebody else is if you're accountable yourself and you're holding it down. So very, very disappointed as a former cult.

Speaker 2 And shit, I agree with damn near everything you said in that talk.

Speaker 1 A lot of bum tendencies. Yeah.
Just like too many bum tendencies. And then they're just stop being bums.
Just be like, I don't, it's hard for me to understand and wrap my mind around it.

Speaker 1 Especially, you know, like Anthony Richardson didn't play yesterday, and I hope his back is healthy. Legitimately, I hope his back is healthy.
Back spasms would suck.

Speaker 1 The fact that it wasn't rolled out as back spasms to begin with, I think, is. That's enough.

Speaker 2 In my opinion, once again, and I know a lot of people over there, I got a lot of respect, but that's the organizational thing because you can't, like, you, you put him in a bad spot.

Speaker 2 Cause like, we don't know.

Speaker 1 We don't know as fans, we don't know what's going on inside the building but when you say back and foot soreness for a week when everything's on the line and you already there's already been question marks around your quarterback with the tapping out and missing games like that and you say back and foot soreness and then after the game you say oh it was spasm and they were serious and like that's like like what are we doing yeah i it's it's go ahead it's very much like the dolphins with tua early on when they said like he had like a rib problem and it wasn't anything it wasn't fractured like that was the initial report and then as oh yeah a hairline fracture or something instead bingo as the week went on then they released you know a hairline fracture in the reds which is a completely different story but the giants too they're one of the teams that hadn't scored 30 points all year they were on that graphic

Speaker 1 multiple guys got their first interception of their career yesterday yeah i think that's what i saw not career but year that's actually their uh i think i heard that's their uh that's their first interception of the whole season right

Speaker 1 that's what it felt like yes nasty obviously not the right throw not the right spot this is his first interception of the year though i do believe this guy and it's like what a play.

Speaker 1 That's the first drive.

Speaker 1 That's the first drive downfield. We weren't moving.
Flacco was. Oh, yeah.
He was playing ball. 33 points.
And there's a lot of talent on the team, which I think is why it's like, come on, dude.

Speaker 1 Come on. If you want to make me the face, make me an enemy in this city, okay? Try to get me boot out of town for what you guys have done to that building.
Well, you guys always say it, too.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of talent in the NFL, period. Like, you know, typically you don't get to the NFL like if you suck at football.

Speaker 1 Like, there is a lot, but it goes back, like, that everybody's good so like if the culture's bad and stuff like that like you mentioned it like a lot of the shit that was coming out in the media and what people were saying like you don't

Speaker 1 both of the both of the seven teams on the afc and the nfc side you don't hear any of that shit from any of those teams none of that stuff oh we got we got guys not working hard over here middle of season what you got guys not working hard that's like that's gotta be we got guys just showing up late to team meetings like not because they get no car exercise i'm just because i overslept sorry about it it's like what the f do you care about football Do you care at all about any of this?

Speaker 1 Maybe you don't. Whatever the case, you're eliminated again.
Have a great vacation. And next year, we got a chance.

Speaker 1 Join us now, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter.

Speaker 1 She, we had a chit-chat about the Colts there, you know, because I'm a writer now, all of a sudden on X. Yeah, I see.
The thoughts were rolling out.

Speaker 1 That is a situation. You know, Shane Steichen, I think a lot of people think, good play call, and all those some of the play calls yesterday.
Like, what are we,

Speaker 1 what are we doing? And then he came out afterwards and said, I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, you know, with their back spasms. That's why I said soreness.

Speaker 1 He's the one that kind of said that. It's like, okay, well, kind of threw him under the bus by not saying it, but how's he, you know, what is he? What's the truth? What's not the truth?

Speaker 1 You know, all this, you never know. Colts, do you have any intel on what the Colts could be? Because obviously I do not, especially at this point after what I wrote yesterday.

Speaker 7 Well, that was unbelievably disappointing. I mean, you ripped into them or you basically put out the facts the way they are.
I don't even think you have to do that.

Speaker 7 They lost to the New York Giants who hadn't won a game at home all year long. Giants came up with interceptions that they hadn't come up with all year long.
The Giants were in the number one slot.

Speaker 7 The Colts are playing for their playoff lives and they lost. They lost to the worst team up until they stayed in football.
I mean, Pat, the facts sometimes speak.

Speaker 1 Who makes the decisions over there, though? Like, who would be making the decision over there? Because I think a lot of us Colts fans are wondering.

Speaker 1 And once again, I do not have sources in the building. I don't.

Speaker 7 Well, you know the way that that building operates better than anybody, right? It has to start with the owner, correct?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but who's the owner? You know, Jim's the owner, but

Speaker 1 who's around every single day? He's kids, I believe. Carly's on the sideline, literally with a headset every single day.
Kaylin's in the building. It's like, would Carly, would this be Carly's first?

Speaker 1 massive decision? Like, is that, how's it, like, do you know?

Speaker 7 I still think Jim makes the decision in the end.

Speaker 7 Ultimately, I still think Jim makes the decision. And I think he listens to the people around him.

Speaker 7 But I think he's making the decision.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's pivot away from a team that has been eliminated from the playoffs yet again. Okay, let's eliminate from them.
And let's talk about the teams that are in the playoffs already.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the Kansas City Chiefs. What do we think about wrestling playing? How do you think this pans out for this last week for the number one AFC seeded team?

Speaker 7 I think we'll see Patrick Mahomes in the divisional playoff round. I think we'll see Chris Jones in the divisional playoff round.
I think we'll see Isaiah Pacheco in the divisional playoff round.

Speaker 7 I think there are key players that have not been healthy, that this is the ideal time to get them rest.

Speaker 7 And the Chiefs are playing at a level that is as strong as any time they've played at during the season. They're hitting their peak.

Speaker 7 And so when these guys aren't healthy, this is a chance to rest them. You're not going to risk them.
They didn't risk them last year once they had clinched their spot. It was a different scenario.

Speaker 7 I don't think they were the number one seed, but they had clinched their spot. and Andy Reid used that last week to wrest them.

Speaker 7 I know they'll get another buy, but this team is clicking right now, and you're not going to expose certain people at times like this.

Speaker 7 And here's the thing that I think a lot of people also need to understand: like, there's 53 players in the roster. So, if there are four, five, six guys that don't play,

Speaker 7 there still are another 45 or so that are on a Super Bowl caliber roster that are going to go play against the Denver Broncos. Like, this isn't going to be a gimme game for the Broncos.

Speaker 7 And by the way, for Carson Wentz, this will be a Super Bowl. This is a big game for him.
This is a big game for all the people that are going to be called on.

Speaker 7 Now, it's as favorable as Denver could hope it to be for a matchup against a team as great as the Chiefs, but it's not a layup. It's not a gimme.
They still have to go out and take care of business.

Speaker 7 But I would expect that the Chiefs rest the key people. that have had injury issues and don't expose them any further and get them ready for the divisional playoff round.

Speaker 1 Okay, and that is Andy Reid's move.

Speaker 1 Remember, the reason why Patrick Mahomes is the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback or became the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback is because the number one overall seed or the number two overall seed, I forget which one was already locked in going into the final week against the Broncos.

Speaker 1 And Alex Smith took a break. Patrick Mahomes goes in.
Mahomes beats the Broncos. Then obviously he finished out the season with Alex Smith, trade his ass to Washington.
Patrick Mahomes is the guy.

Speaker 1 A lot of us go, well, this is the best Alex Smith has ever played. He finally found it and he get rid of him.

Speaker 1 And then everybody behind the scenes was like, like, just wait, just wait until you see this guy. Wait till you see this thing.
Turns out that was the right move. Turns out that was the right move.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that's going to happen with Carson Wentz and Patrick Williams, but Carson Wentz goes in there and gets a massive win for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Boy, you're talking about a resurgence of a career all of a sudden. And for us, I'm pumped that it's happening, not because the Colts are no longer lurking, but Carson Wentz football is electrifying.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz football is electrifying. Anything could happen at any point of the game.

Speaker 1 Last question for me before the boys have something about current situations. Up there in New England, we brought this up last week, I think, to you.
Connor is actually the one who says,

Speaker 1 I am Mayo Guy. Okay, I'm Mayo Guy, but I'm just letting the world.

Speaker 1 Do you hear that?

Speaker 1 Somebody's phone's going off the laptop. That's my laptop.
Sorry. It's a 1999 ring.
I mean, that was a pretty magical moment.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Connor, though, said there's some reports up in New England or coming out of New England that craft and the Crafts might, you know, if it goes bad the final two weeks of the season, with just one season of being a head coach, Gerard Mayo, maybe move a different direction.

Speaker 1 And some people in New England are like, Vrabel would be the guy that would go and take over. The prince who was promised wasn't Mayo.
It was actually Vrabel this whole time.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on what's taking place in New England? And after an ass beating in Foxborough with fans chanting anti-Mayo stuff, how do you see it kind of working out up there?

Speaker 7 I think the crafts have wanted to give Gerard Mayo every opportunity, and I still think that that's the case.

Speaker 7 Again, you never put too much into any one game, but if there's another game like that at the end of the year, I think it's going to lead to discussions.

Speaker 7 I think that they want to stick with Gerard Mayo. This is a guy that they've believed in.
It's a guy they've promoted. It's a guy that they've stood behind.

Speaker 7 Now, there are things that they have to address. Like, there's a team, again, that needed help at wide receiver and traded the draft pick that became Lad McConkey to the Chargers.

Speaker 7 They traded that pick and they used the picks they got back in return on Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, I believe.

Speaker 7 And so

Speaker 7 they need to get some things straightened out. Right now, they're in position to secure the number one pick in the draft.

Speaker 7 And by the way, like if you're Buffalo, to me, you're resting everybody this weekend and you're letting, you're letting New England win that game because they're going to try to win the game.

Speaker 7 And if I'm Buffalo, it's my pleasure to have New England win the game so that they're they're dislodged from the first pick in the draft, which is an incredibly valuable spot to be in, especially when there are quarterback-needy teams lined up at 2-3-4 and are going to be vying to trade up to number one.

Speaker 7 And you can get back a ransom for that pick. So to me, you know, Buffalo will send out guys.
They're going to be trying.

Speaker 7 Players are never going to be in the mindset, oh, we're going to let this team. That's just not how the NFL operates.

Speaker 7 It's why the Giants hammered the Colts yesterday because players are fighting for their jobs and trying to prove something on a weekly basis and everything they do goes on tape.

Speaker 7 But the fact of the matter is if I'm the Bills, like Josh Allen will see you in the wildcard round and James Cook will see you in the wild card round and anybody of any import will see you in the wildcard round.

Speaker 7 But again, there's only so many guys you have. Guys have to play.
You can't rest the whole roster. You can't forfeit the game.

Speaker 1 I've been a part of a team that rested players the final two weeks. I think all the starters started because their start streaks and all this type of shit and appearances and escalators and contracts.

Speaker 1 And then they were kind of replaced in the second half. It was like a preseason outfit, though.

Speaker 1 Because you say, you know, at the beginning, you said there's still a lot of guys that are on a Super Bowl roster. And then you said, we need enough guys to play the game.

Speaker 1 It's like, a lot of those guys are very good at their jobs, which are what? Well, special teams.

Speaker 1 They're great at special teams.

Speaker 1 They're great at giving looks and practice. But to have an entire game depend upon them, we shall see, might see some superstars just like a preseason.

Speaker 1 You talk about the Buffalo Bills saying no moss to the New England Patriots. So they dropped to to what, four or five instead of number one overall.
Let's talk about tonight's game.

Speaker 1 That means absolutely nothing. Tone has a question for you.
Yeah, Shetty, it does mean nothing because the only thing that matters for the Lions is next week's game against the Vikings.

Speaker 1 So does that mean the Lions are going to rest people tonight? And especially because they have been so banged up, why would they risk more people?

Speaker 1 Or is MCDC playing their guys tonight in a game that means nothing to them?

Speaker 7 But that's how you think? That's how I think. And I had this debate with somebody in the Lions this morning.

Speaker 7 I'm like, there's nothing to play for you're on a short week you play the vikings and like dan says we're gonna try to win this game i'm like okay i mean if you listen to his quotes this is who they are they are built on grit and toughness they go for it they're gonna go for it tonight now again i think you have to see how the game is flowing and what's happening

Speaker 7 And I think they're going in with the mindset, we're going to try to win this game. Again, this is in talking to them.

Speaker 7 They're like, well, we could become the 10th team in NFL history to have 15 regular season wins. I said, okay, bravo.
Good for that. They're like, well, we don't want to

Speaker 7 take away from the energy and the momentum that we've built. Okay.
But again, you're in a short week. Everything is rotting Sunday night, but they're not thinking the way we're thinking.

Speaker 7 They're just not thinking that. Now, for me, it's hard to imagine.
that you're going to go run Jameer Gibbs into the ground tonight when David Montgomery's gone.

Speaker 7 But they remember that they lost this team. They think that they can just go out and be tough every week.
And Dan Campbell's been pretty adamant that they're going to keep playing.

Speaker 7 Now, if they're up two touchdowns in the third, fourth quarter, could we see a quicker hill? Look, yes.

Speaker 7 Could certain situations in the game enter into his thinking? It would be illogical to think that they wouldn't. But going into the game, their mindset is we are going out there to win the game.

Speaker 7 And we'll see how the game unfolds and how he handles it from there.

Speaker 1 Second bye week here, week 17. Yeah, it'd be nice.
Getting an opportunity, you know, let the boys, hey, let's get a couple of drives in.

Speaker 1 Let's get a couple drives in, and then bang, go head out there now.

Speaker 2 At AMC DC. I agree.

Speaker 1 It's not, but boy.

Speaker 2 The whole family, the whole family over there.

Speaker 1 He'll be going for it on fourth down, too, tonight. He'll be Jared Goff QB sneaking into fourth down.
First quarter, second quarter. We need it.
There's some dogs on the Niners' defense that can hit.

Speaker 1 They still

Speaker 1 fly around. And this game means nothing.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 You You know, but the Niners have shut down more of their roster than the Lions are considering shutting down their roster.

Speaker 7 There have been a lot of guys who have been hurt, a lot of guys placed on IR. They're missing a lot of guys already.
The Lions don't care.

Speaker 7 They're going in there to play the game, which, again, as fans, we could sit here and debate it.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 you would say, why you love it?

Speaker 7 Yeah, okay. Well, I think most fans would say, I don't love it.

Speaker 1 Like, I won't.

Speaker 1 If someone gets hurt, you won't love it. What are we doing? No, but if they do a stumble, fumble, bumble, mumble tonight, oh my God, everybody.
Everybody's gonna love it.

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson does a triple throwback. Everybody's doing double throwbacks these days.
Okay, we're doing a triple throwback.

Speaker 1 Just Ben Johnson unloading the clip tonight on Monday Night Football would be awesome. That would be fantastic.

Speaker 7 Well, they think that they have an endless supply of trick play, so it's no big deal if they can use whatever they want tonight in a meaningless game.

Speaker 7 But again, they're going to get back to Detroit, I don't know what, six in the morning on Tuesday, and they're going to get underway with preparations for a monstrous Sunday night game.

Speaker 7 So they're on a short week of a West Coast trip, and they're the Lions,

Speaker 7 and they're coached by, and they don't care.

Speaker 1 What is the, what is the, I love that. I love everything about it.
What, man? Oh, we. The game, they're not keeping score, man.
Oh, okay. Okay.
That's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want my guys to be losers going into the playoffs. Yeah.
Biggest game of the year coming up next weekend. Yeah,

Speaker 1 we want to have an L hanging over us going in there.

Speaker 1 Look for the Lions to win by 60 tonight. Exactly.
That's culture. That's MCDC football, and that's why we're in this position in the first place.

Speaker 1 Let's go beat the hell out of them and get some revenge, and then we'll go win next week, too. I love that.

Speaker 7 Tone would like to have a word with you, but that's the way the Lions are thinking.

Speaker 1 I was just asking a question. No, no, because it's a very real question.
Valentine, because

Speaker 1 this game would normally be last week of the season for teams. Instead, it's second to last week

Speaker 1 of the season.

Speaker 1 It's like, like, do you take a little things because then you're going to be back next week, so you don't have rust going into the playoffs, but you still got a chance to rest a little bit.

Speaker 1 Maybe it won't be a Cam Ward situation. Maybe it won't be.

Speaker 1 Boy, let's be honest, this defense is brand new. They need all the reps they can get together.
What happened in Miami? Con has a question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Shefty, kind of last week out of nowhere, Tua was downgraded to doubtful, and then obviously didn't play yesterday. What's his status?

Speaker 1 And can we expect him playing this upcoming weekend with the lurking Dolphins still looking for a playoff spot?

Speaker 7 I don't think it's a lock he plays this week.

Speaker 7 I think his status is in question. I think that would be the fairest way of saying it.
I think that that hip was more banged up last week than people realize.

Speaker 7 It's the same hip that he had surgery on in college. It's a different spot.
But the fact of the matter is it was bothering him last week and

Speaker 7 got word over the weekend that he wasn't going to play. They're like, no, he's still trying to play.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 And obviously he felt like he couldn't play in the end.

Speaker 7 and i think that they're back in that spot again this week i think tua will see if he can go out there and try to play but i think on monday six days out i think it's absolutely fair to say that his status for the upcoming game against the jets is in question and we'll see if he can make it back jets coming off a tough one i mean an absolutely tough one with the dolphins still lurking

Speaker 1 Need Carson Wentz to do his thing against the Denver Broncos. Huntley looked much better than he did earlier in the year, though.
Maybe McDaniel gave him a different offense, Compy?

Speaker 4 He just had more time to figure it out. He was doing the motions and shit.
He was actually, he actually played really well. We need him back next year to be the backup because he looked unreal.

Speaker 1 In the middle of the season, he didn't have the offense figured out. So whenever he was out there, the offense was actually inept.
We saw it against the Cole. It was terrible.

Speaker 1 Yesterday against the Browns, very good defense, was able to accomplish some stuff. Looks like he might have to go for a little bit.

Speaker 1 In the biggest game of the year, he'll be starting a playoff game in two weeks. The hip.
How long shall we be?

Speaker 7 Is this going to be something where they say, ah, ah, and it's going to linger we assume i i i don't i don't know i just know that right now we don't know whether he's going to be able to play this week and that they could have to lean on tyler huntley again this week it's possible we'll see how the week unfolds i don't know yet but again this is an injury he's had before to the same body part well and i know that it was definitely significant last week and it was bothering him he couldn't play with their playoff hopes on the line and we'll see if he can make it back this time.

Speaker 1 What was it, Bo Jackson? Yeah. Had that, but it was just vastly different because of modern science.
He was able to get back in there, but it's something like the joint.

Speaker 2 Basically, like dislocated.

Speaker 1 And then blood. And then I think blood starts straight.
I think it's like a very dangerous.

Speaker 1 If I remember the Bo Jackson documentary that they did about the injury that basically ended his entire athletic career, I think Tua had something similar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because Bo Jackson had popped out and back in in the same play, but the blood kept flowing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, science, modern science. Hopefully Tua is A-OK.
Speaking of being A-O-K, Philadelphia Eagles are A-O-K at the number two overall seed, D-Bun has a question for you.

Speaker 2 A-OK, obviously, some questions at the quarterback position, but running back, Saquon Barkley, he cracked the 2,000-yard mark last week, and I saw a heated debate with you and the guys pre-game leading up into it.

Speaker 2 You said basically, hey, they're going to arrest him in the last week of the season. Some of the guys on the panel, like, hey, go and get the record.

Speaker 2 Where are we at now with what Nick Siriani is going to do with Saquon going forward with obviously needing 101 yards to break the all-time record, which Eric Dickerson absolutely does not want him to do.

Speaker 7 Well, Darius, we have not heard official word from the Eagles, but I think that everything that they've said and done speaks volumes.

Speaker 7 As soon as Saquon Barkley went over 2,000 yards yesterday and got to 2,003, he came right out of the game. They didn't leave him in there to continue his chase of Eric Dickerson.

Speaker 7 They got him right out of the game after that run. And he was put on ice.
And now he's one of nine running backs in NFL history to go over 2,000. And

Speaker 7 after the game, they asked him about it, and he's like, hey, we've got bigger things in mind. They've asked Nick Surrett.
We're not thinking about that.

Speaker 7 I, as I said yesterday, as I said this, I'd be floored if he played again until the playoffs. I don't care how close he is to Eric Dickerson's record.

Speaker 7 Again, everybody takes a different tact and different approaches. The Lions tonight, They're going in.
They got work to do. That's how they approach this.
The Eagles, they're not going to have a buy.

Speaker 7 I think that Saquon is going to be put in bubble wrap next week, and then he'll be unwrapped for the wild card game. They have the number two seed.

Speaker 7 Might it have been different if they had put away the number one seat?

Speaker 4 Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 7 That would have been a conversation, I guess.

Speaker 7 But I don't think you're risking putting out a 2,000-yard rusher in a meaningless game against the Giants, no matter how close he is to Dickerson's record.

Speaker 1 He's 100 yards out. If that was like 45 yards, I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 You know, like if it was 45 yards, be like, eh, we can give him a half, right? We can can give it a go for the Giants.

Speaker 1 It's like a movie.

Speaker 1 He broke his single game, right, rushing record against the Giants first time at MetLife. And then this time, could break the old-time rushing record against the Giants.

Speaker 7 By the way, didn't Saquon, didn't he take himself out of the game and not decide to go back in earlier this game, earlier this season when the Eagles, was the Eagles single game rushing record was on the line.

Speaker 7 It was some record that was in his rear. And he wasn't interested.
That's not the way he thinks. It's not the way he's wired.
He doesn't care about breaking.

Speaker 7 His mindset is on getting a Super Bowl, not breaking another record.

Speaker 1 And we'll tell you how the Giants people are thinking right now.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if that's going to happen, but

Speaker 1 I'm going to have a tough time sleeping if Sinquine goes to Philadelphia. I'll tell you that.
As I've told you, just being up.

Speaker 1 I've been around enough players.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he's the most popular player we have by far. Yeah.
Just breaks the all-time record against this team. Oh, man.
Has to have. And then in the single.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 100 yards. 100 yards.
Saquon could find that. Get that in a half.
Two runs. First quarter.
Yeah. Might be able to do that.
Now, this Giants seems good. People forget.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You saw what they just did.

Speaker 7 By the way, Pat, you know, here's another thing. You think the Eagles, again, they have nothing at stake.
If they win, it doesn't impact them at all. If the Giants win on Sunday,

Speaker 7 they probably fall to what, eight, nine, ten in the direct order?

Speaker 7 Like a win.

Speaker 7 The Eagles losing is a win for the Eagles organization.

Speaker 1 Bills, Patriots, same situation. Now look at the Eagles Giants, same situation here.

Speaker 7 Now, again, I want to be very clear. The players are not thinking like that.
They're going to go out and play.

Speaker 7 But you can't tell me that organizationally that they aren't thinking, well, if we let the Patriots win, if we let the Giants win, if we don't put out our our best guys, if we don't do everything we can to win this game and they win,

Speaker 7 their draft order crashes. And to get to where they want to be or where they are now, like the Giants need a quarterback.
Everybody knows it. They're at four.

Speaker 7 If they win on Sunday, they're going to roughly 10. Roughly 10.
How are they getting?

Speaker 1 Sorry, Saquon, Siriani. Sorry, buddy.
Gonna have to get 100 yards earlier in the season. Dickerson did it in 14 games, too.

Speaker 7 I can tell you this. I think the Eagles care a lot more about the Giants falling to 10 than Saquon Barkley breaking Eric Dickerson's all-time single-season rush to break.

Speaker 1 Saquon's been special though. Yeah.
That's been so much fun to watch. And obviously he's going to be at the NFL honors if they're not playing in the Super Bowl as an MVP finalist.

Speaker 1 Running back being able to do that, obviously, in the modern age that we're in is insane. Best offensive player will obviously come in to the award to Saquon Barkley.
It's like,

Speaker 1 congrats to you, Saquon. Especially because I, like many, had no idea this was possible because we thought he was just going just another giant's wasteland.

Speaker 1 That's what we thought we was going to be this entire time. But instead, the giant said, we can't pay him $13 million a year.

Speaker 7 Y'all right? No. Get the hell out of here.
John Marrow called it. John Marrow called it.

Speaker 1 Him with his hand on his face. He's got to be so mad.
Going, buddy. I won't be able to sleep.
This fucking guy goes to Philadelphia Eagles. You hear me? And he is.
By far our most popular player.

Speaker 1 Well, there's a reason. He's also your most best player, MVP, which I think is what he's going going to win at the NFL honors, even though he deserves MVP.

Speaker 1 Valuable player conversations, because look at the way this team is finishing this year versus how they finished last year. It's because of a run game being able to do what it's doing.

Speaker 1 And also Kenny Pickett and McKee can spin that.

Speaker 1 What a time to be Philadelphia Eagles fans. Congrats to you guys.
Last question here. We appreciate it.

Speaker 7 You know, and it's not just the way that Saquon plays, it's the way he carries himself, too. Like he's class and a pro.
Like that's the kind of guy you want in your locker room. Last question.

Speaker 1 Sorry. Hey, no problem.
Ty has a question for you. Shefty, has any of the conversation around Sam Darnold changed over the last couple of weeks?

Speaker 1 A lot of people saying, hey, there's no way they can pay him. And then they're potentially going to get the number one seed.

Speaker 1 We saw how the team reacted to him in the locker room yesterday after beating Green Bay. Is there any way that they actually let go of Sam Darnold now?

Speaker 7 Ty, I'm glad you asked that question because my reaction to seeing that video.

Speaker 7 When Sam Darnold walked into that locker room and they all jumped all around him and popped the champagne and and did whatever they did.

Speaker 7 There it is. Like,

Speaker 7 look at Kevin O'Connor. He's watching this.

Speaker 1 It's a movie scene, brother.

Speaker 7 Wait, well, hold on. He's watching this, and in the back of his mind, they just want a huge game.
So, not how he's thinking now, but how

Speaker 11 can you let

Speaker 7 somebody

Speaker 7 that your team feels that strongly about walk out the door?

Speaker 7 That video tells you that they're not going to let him go. That's what that video tells you right there.

Speaker 1 I agree. We agree.
We saw it the same exact way, although it's going to be a big number. Will they be able to afford it? Will Sam do a little business with him, too, to remain there?

Speaker 1 We'll watch you tonight. What are you doing? You're from home?

Speaker 7 Yeah, sitting here getting ready for the pregame show tonight. Monday night countdown.

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Speaker 1 It is wonderful. We're so lucky that we get to talk about it.
The Toxic Tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. One after the hammer.
God. Cowboys A.P.

Speaker 1 Tone is here, rocking at Pittsburgh Steelers. Torp, feeling good about the boys? Feeling really, really good about the boys.
Really? Yeah, why wouldn't I? Well, a little bit of a snide.

Speaker 1 A little bit. Listen, all those teams that just lost to, they aren't playing guys in week 18 because they're really, really good.
And that doesn't mean that it's a good thing to lose to them.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, you know, played them close for three quarters. Fourth quarters was tough.
And we got a little bit to figure out, but we're going to do this.

Speaker 1 You guys having a little bit too much Thanksgiving dressing. Fourth quarter can't keep up with everybody.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Celebrate hot days a little bit too hard over there in Victoria.
Stop. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Just mistakes and turnovers that were going in our favor at the beginning of the year. Just didn't go our way those last three years.

Speaker 1 But what goes around goes around, goes around, goes around, comes back around.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe for the playoffs, you guys. Thank you, Nelly Furtado.
All you got to do is get get into the dance, and then you'll get moving. Was it just Nelly Furtado in that song?

Speaker 1 I thought it was Timberlake's part.

Speaker 1 They're saying some stuff about him. Tell you what, if Nelly Furtado was in that song at all, I'm thinking of Victory Lap.

Speaker 1 Nelly Furtado had a little bit of a run there. He did.

Speaker 4 Victoria, British Columbia legend.

Speaker 1 Really? Nelly Furtado?

Speaker 4 Went to Mount Doug.

Speaker 1 Did she have a pocket little shot? She's a Mount Doug?

Speaker 4 Spectrum's rival, Mount Doug, where I was.

Speaker 1 Mount Douglas. Spectrum had nothing on Mount Doug's Nelly Vertato.

Speaker 4 She had to Mount Doug.

Speaker 1 No, not when Nelly Furtado was there. Not the man eats her.
The state of Canada produced Nelly Vertado. I didn't know that.
Neither did I. She had a little bit of run.
To be clear.

Speaker 1 She was a warm and fuzzy. If you put 14 photos up of potential Nelly Vertados.
Not a chance. But I saw her name on some songs.
Brunette. Bangers.
Love Nellie. Bangers.

Speaker 1 She had a pocket full of sunshine. Nope.
She wasn't in the Timberlake.

Speaker 5 Song was not in that song either.

Speaker 1 I didn't think so.

Speaker 1 She's promiscuous, right? With

Speaker 1 Timberlake.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, Brimberlis.

Speaker 1 She wasn't promiscuous,

Speaker 1 I could have never. That looks like an AI Cindy Crawford if you'd honestly do that.
That's who I was. That's a great poll.
Congrats, Nelly, for Tauto. Man-eaters.
Thanks for everything. That's her?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember that song. A little run.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mount Doug. Mount Doug.
Oh, Natasha Bettingfield's pocket full. Yeah, there you go.
And that's about cocaine. Yeah, which I learned.

Speaker 1 You know, I had it as my alarm clock without knowing that knowledge.

Speaker 1 And then we're we're on a trip. Everybody was in the same hotel room.
For some reason, I had the thing shut up at 6 a.m. to just kind of hit.
And all of a sudden, I got a

Speaker 1 bucket for the sunshine. I got a rubber

Speaker 1 on my own.

Speaker 1 Snooze.

Speaker 1 Nine minutes later.

Speaker 1 I got a bucket, got a bucket for the sunshine. I got a mind on the bottom of it.

Speaker 1 Cancel, snooze.

Speaker 1 A couple people ruffle. Well, you shut that thing the fuck up.
Got it. Sorry.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 Turn the cocaine song off. Somebody said.
I was like, that's a sunshine. What? What is that?

Speaker 1 They're like, you think sunshine's in a pocket? Okay. Maybe.
And it's a bag of sunshine, which is wakey wakey. That's a bunch of cocaine.
You're listening to it at 6 a.m. I'm listening to it at 6 a.m.

Speaker 1 I'm done with those. I apologize.
I did not know that was the case. Now, with that being said

Speaker 1 i gotta fucker

Speaker 1 what a time

Speaker 1 banger banger there's a lot of those bangers that just pop up out of nowhere you know who's been bringing them back to light the notre dame social media team yes

Speaker 1 this

Speaker 1 is the way i live that's what they put on the last one they had some jeezy on their first one oh yeah obviously it won Indiana University had Mark Cuban on fresh off a failed presidential campaign back into the world though obviously self-made billionaire from Pittsburgh went IU He voiced over their particular video.

Speaker 1 Notre Dame had Jeezy on there. Almost could have known

Speaker 1 what was about to happen. Now they got baby boy Prince or whatever on it.
It's like, wait a minute, is this Notre Dame's social media team creeping in on Oregon's social media theme?

Speaker 1 That's at the top up there. I'm not sure.
College football playoffs just a few days away. Oh, yeah.
Nine-year-nfell vet, Darius J. Butler is here.
Debut.

Speaker 1 We're about to be on the sideline of the Rose Bowling.

Speaker 1 Cannot wait. Is that not bananas? We get to do that.

Speaker 2 It's awesome. My favorite part of the year, been on the field for those games, seeing the best of the best go at at it.
And then at the end, you know, obviously, we started 12. Count down to one.

Speaker 1 We're at it. Can't wait.
Oregon, Ohio State. Everybody's saying this is a national championship-like game.

Speaker 1 This rematch, obviously, the big 10, one of them is not going to make the final four, which is absolute crap. Means we don't get the top four teams in the country this particular year.

Speaker 1 We know that because one of these teams isn't going to make it. Will Howard, fresh off his best ballgame.

Speaker 1 Jeremiah Smith, fresh off a dominating performance. Trayvion Henderson, Judkins, doing their thing out of the backfield.
Offensive line dominant. Defensive line with JTT.

Speaker 1 Jack Sawyer cooking all over the place. They broke two of Nico Iamaleava's helmets, two of them in one particular game.
You're talking about flying around.

Speaker 1 They got the undefeated Oregon Ducks team ready to do it. Obviously, Dan Lanning is an absolute dog,

Speaker 1 but his team's littered with talent. You know, everybody chit-chatted at the beginning of the season about this Ohio State roster with how much money they spent on it? Valid.
Okay, valid.

Speaker 1 Very valid because they have gone all in in this particular roster. And then you heard, you know, Tressel and Urban Meyers say, it's got to be the best team that's ever put Ohio State uniform.

Speaker 1 Now, we've won national championships with teams that aren't as good, but we'll see if every day he's able to do it with this good of a team.

Speaker 1 Basically, is what they said about the roster and everything like that. Oregon put together quite a fucking roster, too.
Now, let's not get crazy at all.

Speaker 1 They have high-end talent at every single position, and they fly around.

Speaker 1 Now, obviously, that was right in front of our faces, and we're all mind-blown. He was screaming and actually projecting some spit onto that crane that was blocking our view in front of our suite.

Speaker 1 So we got to watch this and witness this. That's tight end.
They got every position like this. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 now they had to take on a penn state team in the big 10 championship right there just jumped over a nitney line that pounded a rock against them with singleton and allen they were able to gain some yards is oregon gonna be able to bounce back is dylan gabriel gonna be able to utilize taz absolute dog jordan james absolute beast out of the backfield dylan gabriel doing his thing it's like we're hey This is going to be a good game too.

Speaker 1 The granddaddy of them all, we're going to be lucky to be on the sideline broadcasting on ESPN too. But the game itself is setting up to be a banger.
Physical. Both need it.
Both want it.

Speaker 1 Both feel as if they are at their best forms right now. We got a good one coming on Wednesday night, which football needs.

Speaker 2 Great one. Two great coaches, two great organizations, a lot of NFL talent.
And in that setting, that beautiful setting.

Speaker 1 That'd be so nice.

Speaker 2 Five o'clock kickoff. Cannot wait.

Speaker 1 It's five o'clock somewhere. Pasadena, whenever this thing kicks off on the Eastern time zones, five, two o'clock local.
We have a seven to ten a.m. local game day, I believe, on New Year's Day.

Speaker 1 And then there is the.

Speaker 1 It's a Texas. Texas.

Speaker 1 Have you heard that? There's a little peach pool, I believe. Have you heard a little bit of the chatter out of the Texas-Arizona State conversation? Some beef, correct.

Speaker 1 Sam Levitt Jr., redshirt freshman quarterback for the Arizona State team who just won the Big 12. Obviously, a lot of conversation about Cam Scattenboo, the running back, who's a stud.
Sam Levitt Jr.

Speaker 1 has become a dog, very, very good. He was asked about Quinn Ewers, and he gave an answer about believing in himself and said, I'm ready to prove I'm the best quarterback on that field or whatever.

Speaker 1 Quinn Ewers took the high road, so I heard what he he had to say. They've been fun to watch, yada, yada, yada, do that.
But you got those Arizona state dogs ready to cook.

Speaker 1 They're ready to activate the valley in this entire thing. Could you imagine the upset that could be if Arizona State knocks off Texas? Texas?

Speaker 1 With all the talent and size and funding and everything behind it with Sarkeesian, that'd be bananas. Now, I'm not saying it's definite.
I'm not saying that's the way I'm picking.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying would be gigantic for Arizona State. And also another massive shot across the bow to the SEC.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, the SEC during this bowl season has had a lot of things happen to him that's not great for all the talking points that have been said. Correct.

Speaker 1 Not as bad as the ACC, but the SEC hasn't, there's been a lot.

Speaker 1 I believe Arizona State also has a lineman who went to Texas or wanted to go to Texas and they said, you'll never play here. So now he's starting in Arizona State.

Speaker 1 So there's some chips on the shoulders for the Sun Devils. Yeah, and then obviously the Rose Bowl and then at night, the Capper, Notre Dame, Georgia.
How you doing? Keep it moving.

Speaker 1 Can't wait for the Catholics to take on the dogs. And

Speaker 1 yeah, I'm excited as shit for tomorrow night, Penn State, Boise State kicking it off all the way through Wednesday, New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who obviously has a rooting interest for the Ohio State Buckeyes, but will also be on the sideline with us at the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 1 He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, A.J. Hawk.

Speaker 1 Hawker, we were just talking about the slate. Your first takeaway, whenever you think about it?

Speaker 16 I mean, Arizona State, that would be a, I don't know what the line is. You may, oh, 13 I've seen right now.

Speaker 16 Okay, that would be a huge upset, but I'm excited to see Scatterboo, see if he can run wild, as you said.

Speaker 1 There's been

Speaker 1 a lot of home ass beatings thus far. Yes.

Speaker 1 College football playoff. But it was called home field advantage for a reason.
Yep.

Speaker 1 It was called like the reason why they were seeded for home field advantage because everybody thought they were the better team. So sometimes Chalk is going to win it.

Speaker 1 At this point, people are a little bit worried that maybe there'll be another couple blows. There'll be some people saying.

Speaker 2 Express, but what we don't have this round that we did have last round is that cold weather that we talked about a lot.

Speaker 1 And that obviously played a big factor in that first round now it's neutral sites warm weather uh obviously some teams that have well rested i'm excited about this but 11 points and 13 points at this point in the playoffs some big big time spreads those are some big time spreads we'll be live on espn too for oh state and oregon aj let's talk about that game real quick before we pivot to the greatest of all time when it comes to nfl coaching and general managing now in the college world uh oh state fans we talked about it um last week or something with coach sabin where coach sabin talked about how, hey, Ohio State fans, we got a chance to win national champions.

Speaker 1 Let's we'll worry about everything, you know, offseason. Let's right now, I know we lost to Michigan.
Let's roll. Feels like Ohio State is behind this Ohio State team, right?

Speaker 16 Yeah, absolutely. Especially after the show-in against Tennessee.

Speaker 16 I think anybody that was on the fence or thought, hey, this team isn't what we thought they were, I think they're back now and they're ready.

Speaker 1 Man, that's a beautiful thing. Yeah.
Simbucca fans get loud.

Speaker 1 Oregons fans are going to be bananas. They're closer, too.
Joining us now is a man who's going to be trying to get to this particular game for the next couple of years.

Speaker 1 He is now the head coach at the University of North Carolina of the Tar Heels football team. He's the greatest general manager and greatest NFL coach of all time.
Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 How you doing, coach?

Speaker 9 Great, great. Happy holidays.

Speaker 1 Happy holidays to you. Merry Christmas.

Speaker 9 A lot of football this weekend.

Speaker 1 So much. I mean, there was games, so many games.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm not going to say, you know, The New England Patriots were kind of like when March Madness happens and there's only one game at a time and a game stinks.

Speaker 1 You kind of of are forced to watch it, nothing else. But it was a nice day.
It was an ice break up there. It was nice to see the Chargers do their thing, but it was a lot of football.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about your world. Is it a lot of, what is your world right now? Are we still recruiting, putting together a staff? Where are you at right now down in North Carolina?

Speaker 9 Yeah, definitely recruiting. A lot of guys going into the portal.
Seems like every day, you know, as team seasons conclude with the bowl games and then the playoffs here that are coming up.

Speaker 9 So a lot of guys in the portal. A lot of people contacting us want to come to Carolina.
My Instagram account's been busy.

Speaker 9 So scrolling through that, I never thought I'd be saying that, but here I am, you know, joining the 21st century. So that's been good.

Speaker 9 So yeah, we, you know, we got big weekends coming up, the weekend of the 4th, weekend of the 11th. A lot of guys coming in to visit and stuff like that.
And so, yeah, it's been fun. It's been good.

Speaker 9 Really enjoyed it.

Speaker 9 And, you know, school has been great.

Speaker 9 Chancellor and the staff and administration have really been behind us, and so we got got a lot of positive things going. But a lot of players want to come to Carolina, so that's a good thing.

Speaker 9 You see any good ones, send them our way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got it. Hey, listen,

Speaker 1 no doubt about it. Cannot wait to see who ends up as a North Carolina tar heel under your watch down there.
I think that's something that a lot of people would be excited about.

Speaker 1 I can't believe you're using your Snapface and MyFace DMs now to connect with people that potentially are in the transfer portal, but I love it. Let's talk about the fourth and the 11th.

Speaker 1 Is that when you're going to try to figure out if these guys are guys that you think could be Carolina guys?

Speaker 1 Or is that them trying to get a feel whether or not they could fit in with your particular system? How does that kind of fourth and 11th weekend go in your eyes?

Speaker 9 Right. Well, the weekend of the fourth, we're still, you know, open on some transfer portal players before school starts.
And then,

Speaker 9 you know, just the whole month of January is kind of a big recruiting month. So,

Speaker 9 you know, we'll just take them as it comes here, start to work on the 26th high school class and also, which we're already working on them, the high school class as well as still some portal guys that'll be left over and start the off-season program with the players that we have and get things rolling there.

Speaker 9 So it's a big month for us.

Speaker 1 Okay, so when they reach out to you, they want to come, do you treat it like draft prep?

Speaker 1 Are you like interviewing them to see if they're the type of guy or the type of player that you want in your building? Or are you selling the shit out of your program right now to a lot of people?

Speaker 9 Yeah, both. Both.

Speaker 9 Not only

Speaker 9 recruiting the players, but as you know, in college, there's a lot of recruiting that goes with the parents and also with other people, high school coaches or people they train with and so forth,

Speaker 9 which is a little bit different than what it is in the NFL. But it's, I'd say, a combination of the first two days of pre-free agency,

Speaker 9 where there's a lot of talking going on before free agency actually opens, and the few hours after the draft when teams are

Speaker 9 trying to sign players to fill out their roster

Speaker 9 you know where you're dealing with agents and players it's it's some kind of combination of those two uh days has it been more

Speaker 9 you know but been doing it

Speaker 1 no guy you said you've been doing it for a long time i was about to say has it been more or less tasking than you thought going into it all

Speaker 9 oh it's just different yeah it's just it's just different but you know it's it's good it's you know again you you feel like you're just talking to younger players um who have the same aspirations of you know being good and developing their career uh in college football to lead to the nfl as opposed to college players who are actually

Speaker 9 out of eligibility and heading into the nfl so it's a little bit different conversation but uh it's kids that want to be good kids that love football and and uh you know kids that want to play for your team whether it was new england or carolina it's a little it's a lot of same team go ahead aj

Speaker 16 Especially the skill position players, Pat and I talk about this a lot. We feel like we see these young 17, 18-year-old kids step in day one and they're great like receivers from the jump.

Speaker 16 Are you seeing that when you see you're recruiting these skill position guys?

Speaker 16 And we think it was maybe they're growing up doing these seven-on-seven tournaments, traveling the country, doing all this stuff. Is that something you've noticed at all?

Speaker 16 It's young players being developed at such a young age?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I do think some of them, you know, do have a big edge there. But as you know, AJ, those kids catch up to each other in that, you know, call it 18 to 20, 18 to 21 age.

Speaker 9 Some of the kids that mature quicker,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 they don't get, you know, they don't physically develop very much. And there's other guys that, you know, come in at,

Speaker 9 you know, 210 pounds, 220 pounds, and then they're 250, 260, or the 240 guys end up being 310 and, you know, things like that after some training and, you know, good nutrition programs and so forth.

Speaker 9 So it's more of a projection element for sure in looking at the high school to college players. But, you know, in the end, it's up to each one of them to develop as much as they can.

Speaker 9 And we'll provide all the tools in terms of training, nutrition, coaching, scheme, techniques, fundamentals, and so forth to make them the best that they can be.

Speaker 9 And if they work hard and apply themselves, then they'll max out their own potential.

Speaker 1 How's it been putting together your staff? We know it was announced alongside of you, Lombardi, general manager. We're incredibly happy for him that he's back in football.

Speaker 1 I think he mentioned at one point, or you mentioned at one point, a director, a player personnel needed. And obviously, you need all your coaches.
We know about Steve.

Speaker 1 How has the staffing been coming together?

Speaker 9 Yeah, good. You know, I'll really start to move on that this week and next week.

Speaker 9 Again, a lot of coaches that are potentially available that'll be on the staff are either still involved in college football, bowl games, playoffs, or still involved in the NFL, which we still have another week of the regular season.

Speaker 9 And then some of them are in the playoffs as well. So we'll see how that plays out.
But there'll be a strong NFL presence on the staff, but not exclusively.

Speaker 9 We have some other people too that we're working on. So try to

Speaker 9 put together the best that we can. And

Speaker 9 players are coaches that will help the players and

Speaker 9 help produce winning football at Carolina. That's what we're there for.
We're there to help the players.

Speaker 1 I'm very excited for you to take advantage of the college special teams rules. I cannot wait to see what shit you come up with with those college special teams rules.

Speaker 1 Now, let's talk a little bit about the NFL, shall we? We are in a certain season. You just talked about the last week.
Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, coach, you've been in a lot of these scenarios.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs, they locked up the one seed, so their scenario is if they don't play guys in week 18, they're going to have two weeks off.

Speaker 1 The Eagles, they locked up the two seeds, so it'll just be week 18 off, and then play the first week of the wild card.

Speaker 1 Lions have nothing to play for tonight, but then have something to play for in week 18.

Speaker 1 How did you handle these situations year by year as far as wrestling starters going in the playoffs and stuff like that?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think it's a great question.

Speaker 9 It's a great question, and

Speaker 9 one that gets kicked around a lot. I think each situation is different.
Each team's different.

Speaker 9 And in the end, as a head coach, I think it's your responsibility as a head coach to do what's best for the team. And you just put the team first.
So

Speaker 9 in some cases, that could be to rest a particular individual, maybe who has a nagging situation or condition.

Speaker 9 If your team is not playing well, particularly in a certain area, Maybe they need to play more.

Speaker 9 It's really hard to go to your team and say, well, we're going going to rest these five guys,

Speaker 9 but we don't care about everybody else.

Speaker 4 We're going to put the rest of you guys out there.

Speaker 9 We don't care what happens to you.

Speaker 9 That's not a message I could ever give to the team. So if there was an injury situation, then that's one thing.

Speaker 9 I would say the guys that I had, the Brady's, the Gronkowskis, the Brewskis, Mike Vrabels, Rodney Harrison, those guys wanted to play. They weren't, they didn't, I mean, they practiced all year.

Speaker 9 They worked all year. They wanted to play.
They never said, hey, coach, put me in. I don't want to play football.
You know, they complained when they had to come out.

Speaker 9 You know, Brady complained when I put the backup quarterback in to take two reps in practice on Wednesday and Thursday. He wanted to take every snap.
So that really was never a problem.

Speaker 9 Guys coming to me saying, oh, I'm too good. I don't want to play or I want to sit this one out.

Speaker 9 They wanted to be in there.

Speaker 9 That wasn't ever too much of a problem. But in the end, I think you got to do what's best for your team.

Speaker 9 And honestly, if your team is in the playoffs, but you don't feel like they're playing very well, then I would play them more to sharpen up for the playoffs because that not playing well going into the playoffs isn't going to last long.

Speaker 9 And so I think each coach has to make that own determination.

Speaker 9 But look, if there's a player that is dealing with a chronic injury situation or kind of condition,

Speaker 9 then I would absolutely rest that individual player because If he's at full strength, it just makes you a better team in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I don't know if that answers your question or not. No, it doesn't.
It's a long answer to a short question.

Speaker 1 No, you give a lot of situations or situational answers, which makes me feel good about the way I view things because you can't give black and white answers for every single, everything, everything's different.

Speaker 1 Every situation is very different. Now, did you ever pay attention to, and once again, this is something you were in the position, I forget how many AFC championship games you hosted or whatever.

Speaker 1 Oh, like 11 or 10. You have like the record of it, obviously, going into the season.
Your teams have been playing well whenever you were coaching them.

Speaker 1 But like the Bills and Patriots, if the Patriots beat the Bills, the Patriots currently have the number one overall pick. If they beat the Bills, they drop out of number one overall.

Speaker 1 And then Giants, Eagles, if the Giants beat the Eagles, the Giants drop to like number eight or number nine for the pick.

Speaker 1 Now, I know that players and coaches can't think about this, but as a GM and somebody that has to be like front office-wise, do those conversations ever enter into anything? Or is it just

Speaker 1 we got to go play our game and let the cards follow as they fly at the end?

Speaker 9 Well, you know, I don't know. It sounds like it might have in Miami,

Speaker 9 you know, with Coach Flores because he brought that up about, you know,

Speaker 9 the organization pressuring him

Speaker 9 for a better draft choice. I mean, that was, you know, that's, I don't know if that's been resolved or not.
I think it has, but that was kind of publicly talked about.

Speaker 9 You know, I mean, I was never involved in that, but I could just, I don't know what happened somewhere else.

Speaker 9 You know, it's different than the NBA. You know, the NBA kind of rectified that by having a lottery.
So even if you're the worst team, you're not guaranteed the first pick.

Speaker 9 In the NFL, that's not quite the case. If you are the worst team, you do get the first pick.

Speaker 9 And, you know, personally, I don't think it would be a bad idea for the competitiveness of the sport to do something similar to what basketball does with those lottery picks.

Speaker 9 I mean, you know, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Well, we might be having it, but there'd be, you know, other circumstances besides just your record.

Speaker 9 There'd be a, you know, actually a lottery part of it. But that's not a decision for me to make.
That's just a suggestion.

Speaker 1 Well, I think if you were to give suggestions, people will listen to it. So that is good that you are doing that.

Speaker 1 We're thankful for that, especially with how you viewed it, having to pick 29 to 32 every single year as you were coaching in this entire thing. Not that you would ever be in the lottery.

Speaker 1 The NBA is crazy, though, because even though it is a lottery, some people try to think for like a 6% better chance of this entire thing.

Speaker 1 Anything that happens, there's more bullshit that comes into it. But to be clear,

Speaker 1 the team that I was on that was, we won two games for Andrew Luck. We ended up getting number one overall for Andrew Luck.
And there was people calling it the suck for luckier.

Speaker 1 And our fans were showing up with like suck for luck signs, like trying to lose. And there wasn't a single player that was trying to lose.
I wasn't trying to shank any punt ever.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to keep my fucking job like that. It's always, you know, it's never players.
Players can't do it. Coach is the same thing.
But there's always a wonder if the franchise feels a certain way.

Speaker 1 Now, let's talk about the number one overall pick currently. Connor has a question for you.
Yeah, coach, obviously the Patriots. I mean, the Titans right there, too.

Speaker 1 I think the Raiders fan base as well.

Speaker 1 With these coaches who are in their first year, you know, and things aren't going too well, what as a fan base or just as a team, when you're looking at it, can you kind of point to as a positive?

Speaker 1 You know, what should those type of fan bases be looking forward to or kind of be hanging their hat on when, you know, they're running it back the next year?

Speaker 1 And how long would you say is kind of that window for a head coach, a new head coach to kind of figure it out with the team?

Speaker 9 Well, that's a great question.

Speaker 9 I'd say these days, it's not very long.

Speaker 9 You know, you see the coaching changes being made pretty quickly.

Speaker 9 You know, regardless of the amount of time that's left on a coach's contract, you don't see the Tom Landry situations too much anymore where there's actually some patience in building.

Speaker 9 That's becoming less and less frequent. So

Speaker 9 and and even the owners that uh you know with a franchise is worth as much as they are uh it doesn't seem to affect them too much to to have these big payouts on multi-year contracts uh that the that the value of the franchise just overrides it by so much it's they don't really care so um

Speaker 9 i mean that's a good question i i think look in the end you know you want a consistent vision between the ownership and and the people who are running the team whether that's a general manager the head coach or some combination cap cap person, whoever those people are, you know, you want a consistent vision to run the team.

Speaker 9 And if you have that, then I'd say that's a big edge over a lot of other teams in the league. I think there's a lot of teams that don't have that.
And, you know, that's probably the start of

Speaker 9 the start of the really fundamental problem on the organization. So, what should fans hope for? I think really what fans need to hope for is

Speaker 9 a consistent vision from

Speaker 11 the team,

Speaker 9 ownership, head coach, general manager,

Speaker 9 cap guy, however you, whoever that is, that there's a consistent vision there that they make sense and that they have the discipline to follow.

Speaker 9 And if they have that, then they'll probably be all right. And if they don't, then they're going to keep bumping into each other.
And I'd say it's, you know, it's hard.

Speaker 1 Is there anything, obviously, thank you for all that, but is there anything

Speaker 1 tangible that fans should look at to be like, yeah, this guy could be good coach, will be good coach. For instance, when Motor City Dan Campbell

Speaker 1 was with the Detroit Lions, they started like 0-10, 0-10 up there, bad. And then the second year, they started out bad as well.

Speaker 1 Ownership, Sheila Ford Hamp, came out and was like, I believe in the process, I believe in what's happening behind the scenes, I believe that they're getting better.

Speaker 1 Is there things that fans should look at? That, like, for instance, Darren Rizzi down there in New Orleans, okay, he's the interim head coach. They get blown out and then they lose bad again.

Speaker 1 And everybody's first thing is like, the team don't want to play for this guy, doesn't want him to be the head coach.

Speaker 1 I think he's a great coach personally, but that's like 40, whatever it was up there in New England, 40 to 7. A lot of fans are looking saying, oh, the team doesn't want to play for this guy.

Speaker 1 Is that fair, you think? Or is there things that fan bases should look at and be like, oh, here is progress. This is what a coach is trying to do.
Or is it just the vision being stated all the same?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, so much of that's internal, Pat. I think it's really hard for the fans.

Speaker 9 And honestly, it's hard for people outside the organization, which we've been in that situation a lot where you're looking from the outside in at another organization and you're sort of wondering what they're doing.

Speaker 9 So I can imagine the fans, you know, kind of feeling that same frustration.

Speaker 9 I think when they, you know, tell you what they're going to do, then you can follow along and do it.

Speaker 9 So I think at a team like Washington, you know, they came in and said they were going to change everything, and they did. They got a new owner.
They're going to do new something new with the stadium.

Speaker 9 They changed their practice facility. They got a new general manager.
They got a new coach.

Speaker 9 They signed, Adam Peters signed 20-some free agents.

Speaker 9 They just turned over the whole thing.

Speaker 9 You look at Green Bay, you know what Green Bay is going to do. They're going to draft.

Speaker 9 They're going to sign the players that they liked in the draft four years later. They're going to let the other ones go and they're going to replace them with draft choices and story picks.

Speaker 9 The Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, there's a lot of people that could scout for the Steelers.

Speaker 9 When you look at the Steelers' defense, they're the same guys playing the same positions for three decades,

Speaker 9 basically, right? Same type of players. So, you know, it's easy to see what the the pattern is there.

Speaker 9 You know, I think the teams that are consistent, that you know, that have a pattern and do what they do,

Speaker 9 as long as they do it well, then you stay with it and try to improve it.

Speaker 9 Again, there's other organizations that it's sort of hard to see. You know, you and I have talked about the Bears, Pat.

Speaker 9 You know, you go out, you draft a quarterback, you go out and you know, acquire all these receivers and everything, but you know, no running game, no pass protection, no production, can't score.

Speaker 9 You know,

Speaker 9 it's just, you know, in a city that, you know, it's going to be tough to throw on in the end of the season, period. Right.

Speaker 9 So I just don't really, you know, I don't know if that's the way to put it together versus a team like, you know, Greenbet or Detroit, who went out and built the offensive line, you know, to go with the quarterback, then added skill players.

Speaker 9 You know, Minnesota, you know, lost their left tackle, immediately went out and got another left tackle, you know, to make sure that they could at least hold up on the offensive line there in order to use their skill players.

Speaker 9 And so

Speaker 9 it's just you watch different teams construct it differently. Washington, look, they were the second worst team in the league last year, you know, and now they're in a playoffs.

Speaker 9 And so they had a plan and they stuck with it. Some things worked out, but

Speaker 9 they got a lot better. You look at other teams like Chicago, like New England, that weren't very good last year and are arguably worse this year than they were last year.
So

Speaker 9 everybody's kind of got that same opportunity to improve, especially teams like Washington and New England that have, you know, $100 million in cap space or whatever it is, and they're going to have a lot of it next year, too.

Speaker 9 It's like, well, what's, you know, where are we seeing the improvement? What, how are we seeing this work?

Speaker 9 You look at a team like Washington or a team like the Chargers. you know, that again, you know, when Coach Harbaugh went out there, he had a very specific plan for what he was going to do.

Speaker 9 He's going to build the culture.

Speaker 11 He's going to build an offensive line.

Speaker 9 Herbert's not going to go back and throw the ball 50 times a game like he had done in the past.

Speaker 9 I mean, yeah, he's broken a lot of records this year, but it's not because of the number of passes they've thrown this year.

Speaker 9 It's because of the number of passes he threw the last three years or whatever it was. So, you know, they've changed the culture out there.
They're a much better defensive team than they've been.

Speaker 9 And, you know, here they are.

Speaker 17 They're in the playoffs too. Look, Sean did the same thing at

Speaker 9 Denver, you know, and he did it with a $55 million cap hit.

Speaker 9 You know, he did it with two-thirds of a team. So next year, when they have a full cap available, then they'll have a much better team.

Speaker 9 When you add another third of a cap group of players to the roster that he didn't have this year, I think Sean did a tremendous job there.

Speaker 17 And that's a tough division.

Speaker 9 It's hard to win out there in that division. So, you know, you look at some of the teams and what they've done and the pattern that they're following.

Speaker 9 And, you know, you see, and then you look at other teams and, you know, you don't necessarily see the same, the same, not saying it has to be the same plan, but a plan or a consistency in following that.

Speaker 9 A plans.

Speaker 1 We can at least see what they're trying to do, what you're trying trying to accomplish here. I think, like, we go back to the Lions whenever MCDC started so bad.
It was like they clearly had a plan.

Speaker 1 This is what our plan is going to be. We're just going to wait for it to kind of take place.
And they're certainly reaping the benefits of that right now. You talk about Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 I think he should have won for two, personally, because Zach Taylor even gave him the opportunity for that entire thing. Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, coach, I don't know if it's because of the, we just talk about it more in like the media and just fans in general now, but again, last night, Raheem Morris is getting killed for his, you know, timeout decisions kind of late in that game.

Speaker 1 Why do you think, and we see it, you know, week in, week out, why do you think so many coaches in the NFL now are just not good with clock management, whether that's timeout usages or, you know, like Pat said, going for two in situations where they should or they shouldn't.

Speaker 1 Why does it seem like that number just kind of grows higher and higher every year in terms of coaches who just kind of seemingly don't have the pulse of the game?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I don't know. Ty, you know, it was kind of reminiscent of the Chicago game,

Speaker 9 you know, where they had to time out and they ran out of time at the end of the game.

Speaker 9 It's kind of

Speaker 9 mystifying. And I don't know exactly what happened internally between the communication, between the head coach, the quarterback, the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 9 Maybe there's a game management person involved. That's something that none of us really have first-hand knowledge of unless you're on the staff or involved in the process.

Speaker 9 What I would say, what I've always tried to do, and I changed a little bit on this with Brady, okay, what I always tried to do was you have three timeouts in the two-minute situation.

Speaker 9 You use your first timeout between two minutes and one minute. You use your second timeout between a minute and 30 seconds.
And then you use your third timeout sometime under 30 seconds.

Speaker 9 Now, that wasn't an absolute rule, but that was a rule of thumb. And so you really didn't want to have two timeouts with 20 seconds to go.

Speaker 9 And you didn't want to use two of your timeouts in the first 30 seconds of a two-minute situation, you know, where you didn't need to. And so that was kind of the progression.

Speaker 9 Now, there might be a certain play that would override that, but that was the general rule of thumb.

Speaker 9 And so you get down to that last 30 seconds, and the decision really is, you know, do you save the timeout for the very end if you only have one timeout, not two, which, you know, that's a whole other conversation, but you only have one timeout.

Speaker 9 Do you save that for the very end?

Speaker 9 Or do you use it a little bit earlier so you have more time? All right, but now the quarterback's got to manage it.

Speaker 9 And so Tom and I and Josh had this conversation probably in about, I don't know, 13, 14, somewhere in there, because I had always wanted to save it for the end, especially if you need a field goal.

Speaker 9 So you didn't have to run the no-huddle field goal team on, that you could just take a timeout and go in there and kick it. But Brady said, look,

Speaker 9 I'd rather have more time and less timeouts because it gives me more options than less time and a timeout. So let me handle it.
If I screw it up, then that's my fault and you can take it away from me.

Speaker 9 But I would rather you take the timeout with 27 seconds and give me more time to do something with than run a play with 27 seconds. And now we go to 13 seconds and we have one timeout.

Speaker 9 I'd rather have 27 seconds and no timeouts than 12 seconds and one timeout.

Speaker 9 And it puts a lot of responsibility on the quarterback, but Tom wanted that and I felt very confident in giving it to him. So basically we fundamentally made that switch.

Speaker 9 And I would take that third time out a lot of times in the 30-second range, even though it had gone against a little bit of my previous thinking because Tom felt more comfortable managing the game that way, and he did it very well.

Speaker 9 So, you know, I was more than happy to, you know, give him that responsibility because, you know,

Speaker 9 he could manage it. And so I think some of that depends on just how you want to set it up between the head coach, the quarterback, the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 9 And again, possibly if you have a game management person, you know, in my case, that would be Ernie, that we all kind of got on the same page and said, okay, this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 9 We're going to give it to Brady. And, you know, Tom, here's who you got to work with.
You don't have any timeouts. But he wanted more time and less timeouts.

Speaker 9 And so I think any of these can work, but it certainly helps when, you know, when you're all on the same page. And that's, you know, that's a big one, really.

Speaker 1 You and Tom Brady having that meeting weekly is kind of like legendary. There's shots from do your job one, do your job two, do your job three.

Speaker 1 I don't know how many of those documentaries we have, but it's the only time we've got to see that.

Speaker 9 There's only one, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, all right. Anyways, there needs to be do your job two.

Speaker 9 The other documentary, as you remember, is the roast. I wouldn't count that one.

Speaker 1 We did not participate in that. If you look at the names that were in there, we were not one of them.
I know.

Speaker 1 Yep, yep. No, gotcha.

Speaker 1 But whenever you and Tom would meet, is that the type of things that you would talk about situation stuff? You would talk about the defense.

Speaker 1 Like those meetings, I think, are pretty legendary now. Everybody in their head sees it.
Tom's sitting at your desk. The shot's here.
It's clearly your office.

Speaker 1 And it's like, that is a gathering of the brain trust of the Patriots each week. When did that start? And what were those meetings about? Was it about this type of shit or was it about everything?

Speaker 9 Right. So when

Speaker 9 Coach Raybein passed away

Speaker 9 in 2001, at the beginning of 2001. He was the quarterback coach.
Charlie was the offensive coordinator, Charlie West, the offensive coordinator. And so we kind of had to replace Coach Raybine.

Speaker 9 And so I did that on the defensive side of the ball. So that's when Tom and I would talk on Tuesdays about this is what the defense is doing.
This is how they're playing it.

Speaker 9 This is how they're playing their cover three. This is how they're playing their cover four.

Speaker 9 When they go to blitz zero, they make these adjustments, so forth. So I instructed Tom on the defense.
Charlie talked to him about the offense, right? We're going to run this play on this play.

Speaker 9 If we get this, we're going to do that and so forth. And as that evolved and as Tom really understood the defenses better,

Speaker 9 then our conversations about defense became shorter. And we talked more about just overall how to attack the defense and, you know, personnel matchups, how to handle good rushers and so forth.

Speaker 9 It just became a more in-depth conversation. But the Saturday morning meeting was always more about situations.

Speaker 9 The Tuesday meeting, the one that I think was shown on that documentary you're referring to, was talking about Ed Reed and the Baltimore defense and so forth.

Speaker 9 The Saturday meeting was about situations,

Speaker 9 you know, how to handle different time situations or personnel or substitutions or rules or whatever it was.

Speaker 9 You know, the sliding thing as an example, you know, the quarterback slides and they spot the ball back where the ball is.

Speaker 9 And we've seen multiple examples where the quarterback slides early and doesn't get the first down

Speaker 9 because of where he slides.

Speaker 9 You know, he should have gone further, like like when Pittsburgh was trying to run out the clock against, I think it was Washington or yeah, and Fields slid too early, things like that.

Speaker 9 But the situations we would cover were a lot of times what had happened the week before or the previous couple of weeks. So

Speaker 9 to me, Atlanta, they should have watched the Chicago game, even though they weren't involved in the Chicago game. They should have watched that.
Every team in the league should have watched that.

Speaker 9 And they should have said, okay, if we were in this situation, what would we do what would we do and at what point would the head coach say hey we got to take a timeout or the quarterback or whatever it is um and when you see things like that come up that's a great example you know the cincinnati denver game is another one that i think if i was a head coach in the nfl i don't care what team i was on i would watch that with my staff and then go over it with the team and say okay you know here's here's what we do here here's what we would do here's the the type of play we would run here's when we would do and play both sides of it because you could could be on offense or you could be on defense, but you're playing both sides of the play.

Speaker 9 And one of the really most interesting games was the Atlanta,

Speaker 9 the overtime game between Atlanta and, who was that against?

Speaker 1 Washington.

Speaker 1 Washington?

Speaker 9 Earlier in the year.

Speaker 1 Was it Washington?

Speaker 1 Atlanta and the Bucs. Kirk Cousins set the record.
And the Bucks.

Speaker 9 Right, Atlanta and the Bucs. Yeah, that was the weekend that I was in Washington, and Jed Fish showed that to his team.

Speaker 9 And he was going back and forth about, well, okay, well, here's the Bucs, and then here's Atlanta, and here's the Bucs. And it was about a half-hour meeting with his team.

Speaker 9 And Jed was explaining in great detail. It was a tremendous meeting.
Honestly, one of the best meetings I've seen about how the team should, we would do this in this situation.

Speaker 9 And look at how this player made this decision here. And we wouldn't want to make that decision.
Or we would want to make that decision. Or this was played right.

Speaker 9 And the game went back and forth and back and forth.

Speaker 9 And then, you know, the guy who ends up catching the pass is a special teams guy who never even plays on offense about, you know, Podge being ready to go, going in there and taking advantage of this opportunity and winning the game.

Speaker 9 And then all of his teammates saying, hey, there's nobody we're happier for than this guy because he's the first one on, last one off, works harder, and we needed him, and he came through.

Speaker 9 And those are the kind of things that you just learn situationally.

Speaker 9 And I would say one of the best feelings that I've ever had as a coach would be when we were good in New England and I would walk into that Saturday night meeting and the guys would all be sitting around having dinner and the games would be on and it'd be Georgia, Alabama or Michigan, Ohio State, whatever the game was and everybody'd be watching it and they would all be talking about,

Speaker 9 hey, watch out for the bingo situation. They're going to hard count here.
Be ready for this. Oh, they made a bad play here.
We wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 9 And they were talking situational football or giving each other a hard time about what their alma mater had done right or done wrong in the situation but it was all situational football and they're just watching the game and everybody's into it and so that's when i knew you know with the brewskies and roddy harrisons and brady's and all those guys troy brown that those guys were so into it because They just couldn't watch a game.

Speaker 9 They had to watch a game and talk about strategy and play calling and timeouts.

Speaker 9 And, you know, that wasn't a foul and it was a foul and those kind of things things because they were just so into the game.

Speaker 9 But honestly, it was an awesome feeling as a coach to hear our players have those kind of conversations. Yeah, and that's why they were good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when you talk about a culture, it's like, there it is right there. You know, that is literally what a culture is being talked about.

Speaker 1 Do you think you're going to be able to do that?

Speaker 9 And inevitably, there would be a situation that come up from time to time where there would be like, hey, what would we do in that situation? And you're sitting there as a coach saying,

Speaker 9 you know, that we don't quite have that. Like what we would do if it was this, but this is a little bit different.
We need to talk about that.

Speaker 9 And honestly, it was a great, you know, it was a great environment. I mean, it was fantastic.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I learned so much as a coach because those guys would bring up stuff, you know, Bruski'd bring up something or Rodney'd bring up something or Vrabel bring up something and say, hey, you know, we do this, but

Speaker 9 actually, that's a pretty good idea what they did. What do you think about that? And, you know, a lot of times we'd end up doing it.

Speaker 1 No, I heard you didn't listen to people.

Speaker 1 No, I remember. I heard that wasn't the case.
I heard, you know.

Speaker 9 Let me tell you something. Let me go on record right here, Pat.
I learned more from them than they did from me.

Speaker 1 And I learned more from them. And I assume they would flip it because I just want to let you know, we just sat here for 25, 30 minutes with you here.

Speaker 1 I just learned more right now than I have in a long, long time. So I couldn't even imagine playing for an entire season under there.

Speaker 1 But I do respect the fact that you appreciate all the players that have done everything, you know, in your world. Legit.

Speaker 9 Well, Pat, Pat, i wasn't i wasn't a good player i wasn't like you and aj like i wasn't a good player yeah i see the game as a coach i see the game as a coach when brady tells me what he sees on the field that's what really matters when brewski and vrabel tell me what they see on the field that's what really matters i can say oh we can do this or lawrence taylor from lt would say you know i can't read that like i don't want to hear about that key here's what i can see though okay well then The key I gave him, forget that.

Speaker 9 It's no good. You can't use it.
You tell me what helps you. Okay, I'm going to work on that.

Speaker 9 and so it it really helped me to understand what players see and what information they can utilize and what information they're getting that's just they're just it's just airmailing it out there because they're thinking sitting there saying to themselves i can't do that i mean yeah it sounds good but this just doesn't apply so i really appreciate them telling me like that's a bunch of bs like i don't want to hear that here's what helps me okay then Then you try to, you know, gear your coaching towards what helps the players.

Speaker 1 I love that you're in the solutions business, brother.

Speaker 2 brother you know a lot of people have too much ego too much pride everything like that that's the reason why you're the greatest coach of all time somebody that played for you and obviously has immense amount of respect has the last question for you here for debuts yeah coach you're talking about the coaching a lot of those vets and now you're kind of on the other side of that in college getting players ready to kind of go to that next level what's the biggest indicator of knowing uh when you have a player that can kind of pick those things everybody's talented we talk about all the time everybody's talented but it's so many moving parts the season's so long especially for rookie players we got a lot of rookies that's impacting teams right now Ladd, you know, Cooper DeGene and Queen Mitchell out in Philly.

Speaker 2 These teams be Jaden Mitchell, Jaden Daniels, I'm sorry, Bo Nixon and Denver. All these guys are going to be contributing big time in playoff teams.

Speaker 2 What do you see, I guess, coming in early or even in the draft process with these players that you think will be able to pick it up and fit into your coach on the next level?

Speaker 9 Well, I think, look, I think it's the same, you know, for all of us players and coaches. The guys that love football, they want it's not work.
It's not work. They want to learn.

Speaker 9 They want to, you know, they want to process. They want to practice.
They want to get better. If you really love football, then you're into all that.

Speaker 9 If all you want to do is play, then, well, that's once a week. I mean, that's great, but you can't get better playing once a week.

Speaker 9 You've got to put all the practice and preparation time into it to really improve and get better. And so I think those are the guys that

Speaker 9 will ultimately be good at that. Again, guys like Harrison, Bruski, Vrabel,

Speaker 9 those type players,

Speaker 9 they put a lot into it on a daily basis. You know, McGinnis, I mean, I go right down the same thing on the offensive line, you know, guys like Tooney and

Speaker 9 Dan Copen and David Andrews and

Speaker 9 Logan Mankins and guys like that. And those guys are so into it that

Speaker 9 it's all the time. And they love football and they love talking about it.
And so they're going to do all those little things, right?

Speaker 9 Some of them, you know, just comes through osmosis and others it's really through study and detail.

Speaker 9 But those guys that love football, like Deep Budds, just like you, look, man, I've never been fast. I don't know what it's like to be fast.

Speaker 9 I don't know what it's like to catch somebody who's got the ball, and I don't know what it's like to run away from somebody who's trying to catch you, right?

Speaker 9 So I have to learn how to be fast from you because I can't relate to that. I'm slow.
I get the other side of it, but everybody's faster than me. So I learned from fast players.

Speaker 9 Nobody taught me more than Randy Moss did because I didn't know what it's like to be fast.

Speaker 9 And Randy taught me what it's like to be a fast receiver and how he could attack people, but I didn't really understand that. So I've never been fast.

Speaker 1 So like I said, Coach, at what point you can move. We saw you down there in North Carolina, that newspaper clip.

Speaker 1 We know as soon as that photo was taken, you got up and boom, force gump right to the other end and went crazy. And obviously, Randy Moss, we're all pulling for Randy Moss.
What an absolute

Speaker 1 absolute dog. First Ballot Hall of Famer.
Let's talk about another player that could be first ballot Hall of Famer that you coached for a long time.

Speaker 1 Adam Vinatari, kicker, potentially first ballot Hall of Famer, coach. How do you feel about that? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 9 No-brainer.

Speaker 1 I think so. Got to be.

Speaker 9 I think so, too. Guys, made so many big kicks and as great of a career as he had in New England.
I mean, he had just as great of a career in Indianapolis.

Speaker 9 Again, a lot of his thanks to you because of the kickoffs. But, I mean, Adam, look, there's a lot of names up there that, you know, are pretty impressive.

Speaker 17 Obviously, you know, Eli.

Speaker 9 I mean, it's a, you know, it's a pretty impressive group.

Speaker 1 It's a who's who there? Yeah, that's a huge. Yonda's in there.
Obviously, you'll be first ballot.

Speaker 1 Yonda gets in there, Gates, has a bunch of records through Holt, obviously bananas. Fred Taylor, hell yeah,

Speaker 1 out there, Reggie Wayne out there, but it's like a kicker. Luke Keekly, obviously, stud, Jared, all of them.
But like Vinatari, a kicker potentially being first ballot is fucking sweet.

Speaker 9 Yeah, can we get him up there in a Patriot uniform, get him in there kicking in the snow?

Speaker 1 That would be the greatest kick of all time.

Speaker 9 They actually

Speaker 9 get him a Patriots uniform?

Speaker 1 Did you see him run that? Did you see him run that this week? Because Greg Gumbel was on the call for that.

Speaker 1 And they re-ran it this past week. What a call by Gumbel.
You're talking 45-yard field goal in a snow globe. Okay.
And absolutely, this is after the tucket thing happens.

Speaker 1 Vinny has to kick a 45-yarder. I think it's like 30 mile an hour gusting wins in a snow globe.
Guy knocks it through. It's like, of course he does.

Speaker 1 And then obviously hits a Super Bowl one a couple weeks later. It's like,

Speaker 1 he's the GOAT. And for 24 years, no flubs.

Speaker 1 There was never like a, there was never like a downtime somehow. With kickers, they're always going to hit a downtime.
Vinny just kept, just powered powered right through it.

Speaker 1 Just not mentally such a dog. I love that man.
I hope his first ballot. That'd be crazy.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And, you know, the other kick in the snow game was, you know, that was another one, too. There was even more snow on the ground, and we tried to brush some of it away.

Speaker 9 But I thought, honestly, probably his best kick might have been in the Carolina game to win that one just because of the rush. You know, they'd already

Speaker 9 blocked one, but that rush they had with, you know, with Peppers and that whole defensive line was, I mean, those guys were unblockable. And they're all 6'5, 6'5, 6'6.

Speaker 9 And, I mean, that ball barely cleared the line. It barely cleared the line, but he got it up and threw.
But, I mean, that was a tough kick, too. So he's had so many clutch plays.

Speaker 9 I mean, and you know what?

Speaker 9 Vinatari was a football player. I mean, I know he was a kicker, but that guy worked out with the players.
He made tackles on kickoff coverage.

Speaker 17 He was physically and mentally tough.

Speaker 9 He was really,

Speaker 9 he was more than a kicker. He was really a good teammate and a good football player.
It is Herschel Walker.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's Herschel Walker Walker tracking him. He had a terrible angle.
He had a terrible angle. He had to

Speaker 1 absolutely

Speaker 1 walk him. And you talk about he was in pre-med.
He was going to be like a brain surgeon if he wasn't a kid. You're talking like

Speaker 1 a dog, teammate, great teammate. Everybody loved him.
I'm pumped for him.

Speaker 1 Just like I'm pumped for you to do everything down in North Carolina that you've been able to do everywhere you've ever coached. You're awesome.
You make us better every single week.

Speaker 1 We appreciate the hell out of you, coach.

Speaker 9 Thanks, Pat. Appreciate the opportunity.
Come on. It's going to be a great week here in week 18.
I mean,

Speaker 9 this Vikings-Lions game, you can't ask for a better season finale than that.

Speaker 9 That's really, it's a heck of a game. Great job by the schedule of makers.

Speaker 9 You know, Howard Katz coming up with that one in his send-off.

Speaker 9 What a game to end the regular season with.

Speaker 1 I've kind of cooked Howard Katz a little bit over the last few weeks, but I want to let him know he does a great job. And you're right.
The greatest is the last one.

Speaker 1 Sunday night football for all the Marbles on the NFC side. That's a dinger.
We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen, the GOAT, Bill Belichrack.

Speaker 1 I didn't expect that conversation to go that long. No.
We actually had JJ Watt, like, hey, Jay, do you want to wrap up the first hour with us? Sure, because we're off on Wednesday yet again.

Speaker 1 And last week we didn't get a chance to catch up with him. So he'll join us in about 14 minutes or so, 2.05 Eastern.
We'll continue to talk to him. How about Bill going?

Speaker 1 The Bears. They play in Chicago in December, and they can't run the ball.
So I don't know what's going on over there. Then he made a couple others.
And then this decision. It's a coaching situation.

Speaker 1 You know, you got to go back to the Bears game, you know.

Speaker 1 He did it three times. See, has it always been like that? I didn't know if it was like that.

Speaker 1 I don't know why he was bearing us.

Speaker 1 He's just pointing out the odds. No, I know.
It just came really fast. Yeah, Bear E

Speaker 1 Don

Speaker 1 is what he did there. You did embarrass me.
Yeah, those guys. Yeah, you did get embarrassed there.
Oh, yeah. You know, these guys in Chicago, you got to play in Chicago, you know.

Speaker 1 You got all these wide receivers. I know global warming's happening and the polls are shifting, but it's

Speaker 1 still

Speaker 1 Chicago, Illinois, right there on the lake. So, you know, building a team might be a little bit different there.
That was awesome. That was a fantastic take.
That was very riveting shit there for me.

Speaker 1 To talk about how, you know, he would show the team just plays from other teams, like the timeout situation between the Bears and the Lions and stuff like that, and how he talked about how Jed Fish showed it.

Speaker 1 And he said every team should do that. Would locker rooms you guys were in, did teams do that? Yeah, we showed situations.
We shot situations from. I assume you guys did as well.

Speaker 16 Yeah, we did. I think we did more as I got older in the league.
I don't remember doing it as much early on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, early on, I think the, and once again, I'm talking as if I know, but I got a front row seat to a lot of shit because my job was hilarious and got grossly overpaid.

Speaker 1 I think it used to be a lot more like we do our job. It doesn't matter everything else.
We be the best we could possibly be.

Speaker 16 Yeah, don't worry about situation. I'll take care of the situation.
You just make the, you, you make the play when it's your turn. Like that used to be.

Speaker 1 And it's kind of evolved into like more info the better, more info the better, more outside stuff the better. And listen to Bill.
It feels like Bill's been like that since the beginning.

Speaker 1 And he shouted out Ernie, you know, up in the clouds. Ernie was like the first stats and analytics department in the NFL.

Speaker 2 As a human, absolutely. And then the other big thing that jumped out to me is him just saying, okay, Thompson, hey, I want this responsibility with the timeouts.

Speaker 2 And him being like, all right, you take care of that. Like, that takes so much off you as a head coach.
We can see it now with kind of the manics.

Speaker 2 when Peyton and Eli are kind of going over situations or even they have other quarterbacks on.

Speaker 2 You could tell like those veteran quarterbacks, those Super bowl winning quarterbacks like those situations those timeouts that hey they probably say it remind everybody in the huddle those type of things so when you're a head coach especially a young head coach and you can kind of get that off your plate where you don't have to deal with some of the end of the game or end of half time management like that's a huge weight off your shoulder especially if you're a play calling head coach like bill was at times from the defensive side of the ball we got a lot of offensive play calling coaches now so if you can have that quarterback in a position we got a lot of young quarterbacks playing it's been multiple times with the bears where it's like damn caleb you know you can

Speaker 1 take over but they they don't have not his skill they don't have that power early on at least how about yeah i wonder how many years because i think he said that was in 2013 maybe he said 13 14 13 14 when that happened and that might be 12 you know in that era there how many years did tom brady want to do it and was and then he finally was like hey i'm i'm about sick of sitting out here and thinking to myself we should be going and then you guys are over there doing your thing why don't you just let me do it it's like and and once again that's bill belichick like

Speaker 16 being a coach that like you know as opposed to everything you've heard tom said that on the thing tom said that on the broadcast yesterday he explained the timeouts with the two minutes to one minute and like when you use them like tom said the exact same thing

Speaker 1 they won so much up there yeah and it's because they never beat themselves expected they never expected they never beat themselves either like that's why the situational conversation with him is so big we're back uh what whoa thursday happy new year we'll be live for the rose bowl holy shit

Speaker 1 i just yeah we're off tomorrow because games and then same thing with new year's day but we're live ESPN2, Rose Bowling College Game Day Live, 10 a.m. to 1 p.m.
Eastern on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 I cannot fucking wait to get out there. It is going to be awesome.
So punch. Electrifying.
Just completely forgot we're off tomorrow. It's going to be so nice.
Good game day.

Speaker 1 It's a whole day, you know? All right, let's get to a break. JJ Watt would join us on the other side.
We'll make our picks for tonight's game that matters. Yep.
Because momentum, we're on. Exactly.

Speaker 2 Exactly, man. They all matter.

Speaker 1 How was this coffee this morning? Same as every day? Actually, just one shot or something. Oh, no, you're taking it off.

Speaker 1 What? Wow. You're changing? There's no way.
I'll never change. One this morning, guess what? What?

Speaker 1 42-ounce cup of espresso right before the game.

Speaker 1 I'm going to try to make my fucking heart explode, man. Well, don't do that, coach.
We need you, obviously.

Speaker 1 It's wonderful. That's AJ Hawk.
Age, how you doing, Pal?

Speaker 16 I'm doing great, pal. Can't wait to get out to Pasadena, man.
It's going to be awesome. Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 with the way

Speaker 1 the sun rises and sets over the San Gabriel Mountains. Oh, my God.
And then the cotton candy clouds with the pink behind it. With the grass, it looks good enough to...

Speaker 1 And then obviously the Ohio State Buckeyes trying to avenge from an earlier loss this season. Take on the Big Ten champion, Oregon Ducks, as they try to move along in the college football playoffs.

Speaker 1 Two Big Ten teams enter the Rose Bowl. One Big Ten exits.
A loser. One exits.

Speaker 1 A semifinalist for this college football season. Drama.

Speaker 1 Intensity. Violence.

Speaker 1 Skill. And maybe some comedy on ESPN too, as we broadcast live from the field.
AJ, have you been doing your research on these teams? And how do you feel going in, pal?

Speaker 16 Yeah, I have been checking things out, watching what happened the first time these two teams played, how different they are right now.

Speaker 16 I saw a little clip earlier today of both Oregon and Ohio State arriving at their team hotels. Everybody seems to be locked in.

Speaker 1 Getting off the bus.

Speaker 1 Getting off the bus.

Speaker 16 A lot of fanfare, a lot of people taking pictures of them as they're walking in. None of the players are phased.
They're just head down, focused on the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're locked in, obviously. The boys are locked in.
I did see that Will Howard said something along the lines that they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. So, you know, that's good.

Speaker 1 And I think that's him saying, like, he screwed up. Like I do.

Speaker 1 If we know anything about the leadership of Will Howard, but if we know anything about football and how teams motivate, they're going to be like, this team didn't even. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So we didn't even play. All right.
Let's see how that goes. Toxic tables here at Boss Connor and at Ty Schmidt.
One half of the hammer. Don.
Cowboys AP Tone is here.

Speaker 1 Nine-year NFL vet looking very cool today. Appreciate it.
Darius J. Butler is here and joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a five-time first-team all-pro.

Speaker 1 One of the only members of the Bull ring of honor down there in Houston. He's a future first ballot Hall of Famer, a gimmicked machine.
Ladies and gentlemen, J.J. Watt.
Yay!

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How are you doing, Jay?

Speaker 1 Hey!

Speaker 12 Hey!

Speaker 12 Dogs are barking. Everybody's excited.
The whole town can't wait for this.

Speaker 12 We're pretty excited over here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I bet you are. I bet you're pumped.
Tex is the name of the dog. Is that the name of the dog, Tex?

Speaker 12 That's Tex. I uh named after the first uh uh after the division champs down here at the

Speaker 1 okay all right texans certainly playing their best football certainly playing their best football go ahead

Speaker 12 we're gonna be playing football all right

Speaker 1 playing football you know i am uh i'm a little bit worried about the future of the nc south and also the past last 10 years obviously the colts have not won the texans win again i saw you get real excited on the internet after i posted a blog on the x you know i saw a little excitement from the jj watt account

Speaker 12 I looked at it and I was like, man, it's really long. Do I want to read all that? And then I read the first two lines.
I'm like, yes, I do.

Speaker 1 Yes, I do. Let me

Speaker 12 sit down. I actually sat down in a chair and I said, let's just dive into this right here.
This is great. I mean, I have to say, obviously, the Colts, we had a great battle many times.

Speaker 12 They've had my number a couple times. I've had theirs a couple times.
And it's just, it is

Speaker 12 sometimes you just gotta, when I see this family infighting, it's just

Speaker 12 it's good to entertain.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, yeah. It sounds like you're pretty excited.
I'll have you know. It's only going to last a few weeks, and then next year's Colts team is about to be the best one ever.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you know the best one.

Speaker 12 Well, you're not going to see it because you don't have any tickets.

Speaker 1 I'll watch. I'll be excited to watch from home.
Got Siki. Yeah, Gutsiki could buy the tickets if I'd like to, but also watching from home is not bad either.
Not bad at all. Not bad either.

Speaker 12 Especially. I saw a stat.
Is this stat correct? I don't know if this stat's correct. I just saw a stat.
You never know on X.

Speaker 12 True. Since the last time the Colts have won the AFC South,

Speaker 12 every other team in the division has won it twice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 At least. That is true, really.

Speaker 1 That's correct. Titans and Jaguars are.

Speaker 1 That's real.

Speaker 1 There's no way the Jags have cared.

Speaker 12 The Jags have won twice

Speaker 12 since the last time you guys won it. I couldn't believe it.
I had to stat check.

Speaker 1 Yep, it's real. Well, you didn't fact-check it.
That's why you said I don't know. And you just

Speaker 1 wanted to present it.

Speaker 12 I came to the show that does the best fact checking on the planet amen thank you nobody gives us enough credit for that

Speaker 12 yeah hashtag stat that um yeah it's not great okay but i know what's the reaction been what has there been reaction from inside the building inside the city seems like a lot of support on your side

Speaker 1 yeah i'd say there's a lot of support in the building as well Feels like there's been a lot of support. X-players that have been in the building, a lot of support.

Speaker 1 X-players that have never been in this particular building, a lot of support. Feels like there's been a lot of support.
And then there is obviously a lot of people that are,

Speaker 1 you know, not a lot, but there is people that exist that are unhappy about what I said, you know, like I should be supportive.

Speaker 1 Like, that's what they need, you know, because especially with what Coach Sabin's saying, it's like, I have been. I feel like I have been.

Speaker 1 You know, I've made fun of the Houston Texans so many times, right to this guy's face. Remember, we were showing fake pictures of their stadium.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 1 Open 20 of them. Had 14 of these ball boys.
I mean, just done it all. Every week I picked the Colts.
Every fucking week I picked the Colts. I've been all in.
I've been supportive.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, they'll figure it out. They'll do this.
They'll do that. They'll do that.
All the while noticing a lot of things that in my head, as somebody,

Speaker 1 I view football differently than a lot of people, I think. I'm a big humans guy.
I want to know the humans that are playing guy.

Speaker 1 Just because I've been very lucky with my small job that I had as a punter to be in buildings, you know, and seeing what type of shit works and what type of shit clearly doesn't.

Speaker 1 We're almost completely deaf feated one year. We could have been completely undefeated one year.
I've had the opportunity to kind of see it. So whenever there's just like red flags popping up, like

Speaker 1 shite franchises do that,

Speaker 1 shite franchises do that. That's crop right there.
That is more crop right there. All the while supporting it.
And it's like, inevitably, whenever it all kind of kabooms, it's like

Speaker 1 the tea leaves were there the entire time that this is a crap organization. What's going on right now? This locker room, most crop, I think.
Now, building, certainly, we got some problems.

Speaker 1 But this, Frank Reich, I mean, you go,

Speaker 1 I don't know how the fuck we got here, I think is like my biggest takeaway. Like, how is this? Because they've paid everybody at a lot of pillar positions.

Speaker 1 There's talent all across the board on the Indianapolis Colts, high-end guys, you know, across the board. And for one reason or another,

Speaker 1 it's just expected that they're going to lose to good teams. It's just expected.

Speaker 1 And then, like, the way they go about it and the things that happen there, it's like, I don't think it represents the state of Indiana or Indianapolis or Colts fans at all the way they play either.

Speaker 1 And they've never fucking won in the way they act. It's like, yeah, I just couldn't take it anymore.
Yeah, I just couldn't fucking, yeah, here's your popcorn. I hope you're happy, Jake.

Speaker 1 I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't take it anymore.
But there's. I hear you.

Speaker 12 No, you supported him for a long time. You did.
Like, through tough times,

Speaker 12 you support him for a long time. I think you had the...
Early in the year, you had the little where we all saw the, okay, that's that's something there. That's what he actually feels.

Speaker 12 But you bounce right back supporting again.

Speaker 1 Whoa, what are you talking about? You're talking about the, you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 12 you let us into the brain, and then you took us back out, and you said, no, I support them. I will support them.
And then

Speaker 12 you gave them the second shot, and

Speaker 12 they didn't do it. So here we are, which

Speaker 12 I don't think anybody's really disagreeing with what you're saying. I think there's obviously, like, when you just look at the stats and you look at the reality of the situation, it is what it is.

Speaker 12 On paper, you literally can look at it and see, this has not worked out. Whatever you have tried, whatever it has been, it simply has not worked.
So you have to find a different path.

Speaker 12 If you're an organization like the Indianapolis Colts, who has obviously been a great organization, who is in this division, who this division has been bouncing a little bit all over the place, but it's not, I wouldn't say it's been considered one of the toughest divisions in football over time.

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 12 And you haven't won it when everybody else has won it twice.

Speaker 12 And there's a couple teams in there, or at least one team in there that's had the number one draft pick multiple times in that same time span, and they've found a way to win it twice at least.

Speaker 12 Like, you have to do something different. And I'm very curious and very excited to see what happens in this offseason because I

Speaker 12 also imagine there's probably some people pushing back being like, okay, well, we also don't want to just give in and seem like Pat McAfee is running this entire show.

Speaker 12 But you've said a lot of things that a lot of people need to hear.

Speaker 1 Listen, there's other people saying things that I'm saying, too. It's not just Pat McPhee Rogers.
You're the only one. You're the only one.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people that have said this entire thing, but that's what I, the situation is, Anthony Richardson will be entering his third year, 2.25 seasons completed if he was to play.

Speaker 1 Well, it depends on how many games he misses next year, but he's entering his third year. Shane Steichen,

Speaker 12 if you move on from a landing spot for Rodgers, kind of, you know.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 That's a bad idea.

Speaker 1 He said he's open to mentoring someone. He said he would take a pay cut to mentor and the whole song and dance.
But it's like, Chris Ballard's been here for, what, eight years or something like that?

Speaker 1 And he's a good dude. Like, I think we all appreciate him.
Like, as a human, he is. He's very nice.

Speaker 1 He's good in the community, too, I think, which we're not even going to talk about the locker room and an award for a player going to a mascot.

Speaker 1 Like, we're not even going to get into that. But, like...
If Chris Ballard was to stay and then Steichen's to stay, so then everything's staying the same.

Speaker 1 They're just saying one more year we're gonna do this one more year and see how it goes it's like okay that's possible i think that's very possible if he moves on or they move on from ballard then steichen's lame duck coach just like chuck was whenever they moved on from grigson for chris ballard and then what happens with anthony richardson is what so i don't know what i assume the right move is they are going to continue with the same batch and it's going to be some uncomfortable days for me if we happen to be at events which i don't go to but let's say i go to one and there's an event where a bunch of colts players are but it turns sounds like they don't go out in the community Anyway, so maybe it's not okay

Speaker 12 You got to give me the mascot thing. What's the mascot thing?

Speaker 1 You know the salute to service award?

Speaker 1 Yeah

Speaker 1 Blue won it this year

Speaker 1 All right, okay. All right, there's no reason who votes on that

Speaker 1 There's no way there's no there is no way Blue is a great mascot gives back to the community

Speaker 1 Blue should be up for the fucking Walt Bateman of the year if we're going to put him up he might be yeah I mean who knows but yeah he won the salute to service awards.

Speaker 1 So it's like, you can't even, nobody even in there is worthy of giving, like, what are we doing? We got hope, though. We got hope.

Speaker 1 Just be kind of likable.

Speaker 2 Do you remember how much of a shit show the Houston Texans were? No.

Speaker 1 Dumpster fire.

Speaker 2 And look at the back-to-back playoff appearance. We got hope.

Speaker 1 Hey, Arthur.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying we got hope going forward.

Speaker 1 Okay. What are you saying?

Speaker 1 What is the Ford looking for?

Speaker 2 I think, look, you keep talking about good guys and all this shit. I don't care if somebody's a good guy.

Speaker 2 Like, you got to get shit done. You got to get the job.
But yeah, you want to be a good human, but like, if you're leading off for, hey, this person's a good guy.

Speaker 2 Like, look, wholesale changes, you got to start from the top. You know what I'm saying? That's what you have to do, but you got to go back to the drawing board.
Like, that shit yesterday. Dude.

Speaker 2 And that was just a culmination of kind of what it's been. And you know how people say, hey, it doesn't show up till it shows up.
That shit yesterday when we were here lurking.

Speaker 1 And you go up until we were lurking, Jake. Without bad.
That's gone. We were lurking.

Speaker 2 That's all. That Drew Locke put 45 on you.
Like, I mean, that, like, that's.

Speaker 1 Now, Drew Locke might be where he's supposed to be.

Speaker 1 The Giants were a tea kettle. They were just waiting to explode.
Exactly. Like Billy O'Brien.
That's what the Giants were. Tea kettle Giants is what everybody was saying.
They were

Speaker 1 steaming, whistling. And then, boom!

Speaker 1 Colts need this one. Must win.
The Colts, you know, and

Speaker 12 no, I mean, that offense that you guys faced had been high-powered all year long. Everybody saw it.
So, you know, it was, it was.

Speaker 12 Nobody can blame you for giving that up to that.

Speaker 1 But I think there are like.

Speaker 12 I'm with D-Butt though. I hear what you're saying, D-Butt.
Like, sometimes you got to have some just pure dogs. Like, this is, at the end of the day, a violent, tough, physical game.

Speaker 12 Sometimes you just got to have a dog that's going to grab somebody by the face mask and say, hey, this is what we're going to fucking do today. And this is who we're going to be.

Speaker 1 That's football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's football. We need that.

Speaker 1 You know, and it's like, that's why every time I say,

Speaker 1 Like, Zaire is probably going to be all pro. This guy, the amount of tackles he had, he's phenomenal football player, Zaire Franklin.
But it's like, all this shit is happening in his locker room too.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't expect him to be like, not everybody's like a vocal leader, but at some point when you're constructing a team, you need somebody who is some sort of leader.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like Ryan Kelly, I'm, I love Ryan Kelly. Like Ryan Kelly, the center, but I don't think Ryan Kelly's like vocal.
Like when you're constructing a team, you need somebody.

Speaker 1 or some people you would hope in each room you would have somebody but it's like it just feels like it's just the culture's crap Like, nobody really.

Speaker 12 It's tough, man. I mean, I'm obviously, like, I can't sit here and act like I haven't been on a 2 and 14 team before.
Like, I know what that money is. It is, it is shit, man.
And you're right.

Speaker 12 It just takes a little ground swell. It takes, but sometimes there are other bigger factors at play that you do need a full-blown culture shift.
Because

Speaker 12 if you're in that locker room and you're trying to change a culture, but nobody above you is

Speaker 12 supporting it, you're just, like you said, you're a lame duck. So you can be in one box

Speaker 12 and everybody's like why would I listen to this when it's clearly being allowed at this level at this level at this level like there's it's it has to be a full-blown organizational push to change an entire culture and everybody has to be on the same page and everybody has to stick to that and it's very difficult to do when there's so many people in one place.

Speaker 1 Yeah, to your point about the people above you kind of rowing against you, it's like, once you set precedent too, it's over. Like if you set precedent with anything, it's over.

Speaker 1 And if it's not good, you can't just like get that back. That's not something you can just put the toothpaste back into the tube once something happens, you know?

Speaker 1 And I'm not pointing directly at one contract holdout, but it did happen at the very beginning of a guy's career in a brand new culture in a very loud way after it's just like, I don't think Anthony Richardson had a shot in like knowing how to be a pro.

Speaker 1 I don't think he had a chance.

Speaker 1 You know, in college, he didn't play much, didn't win much,

Speaker 1 but it was like potentials there. Then he goes into the Colts building and it's like best player on team holding out, wearing a hoodie, two and a half weeks, potting around to start this entire thing.

Speaker 1 That's how the NFL is now, he thinks, right? It's just, there's no real,

Speaker 1 and then once you just start steamrolling that thing and there's been six years of that kind of before it, it's easy for young guys just to catch in and be like, oh, this is how this shit goes.

Speaker 1 And then it's just, it just never ends.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know how you, I legitimately don't know how you stop stop that thing and be like, not anymore. Nope.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I legitimately don't know how it's stopping.

Speaker 12 Get luck on the horn. Just get luck on the horn.
See what the manager job pays. Yeah.
Just get him back out there.

Speaker 1 That would be great, actually.

Speaker 1 Andrew Luck played.

Speaker 1 That goes back to what you asked Shefty in the first hour. It's like ultimately like...
Who's making the decisions?

Speaker 1 Because Ursai is there, but if he's not making the decisions, then you just have a void of leadership at the top.

Speaker 1 And you would think after hearing that stat about how every other team in the division has won two division titles in the last 10 years and you haven't won any, like most owners would be like, all right, this is unacceptable.

Speaker 1 Like we need to make a change, but that's not happening.

Speaker 1 So like if you do just go status quo and just run everything back next year, like we saw the way the fans were today, like, I mean, dude, like the overreaction tweets, like, guess what?

Speaker 1 Not as many people are going to be showing up bright-eyed, bushytailed, to go to Colts games.

Speaker 1 The Colts are such,

Speaker 1 we need to win. We just need to win.
They just need to win.

Speaker 12 It's also like, you guys have, like, if you're sitting there looking at it, you're like, okay, what are our different options? Okay, we tried Rivers, Ryan, Flacco. We also drafted the young guy early.

Speaker 12 We tried the young guy early.

Speaker 12 So we've tried the young rookie. We've tried the old vets who have been, like, you're in, it's a tough,

Speaker 12 it's a tough spot to be in.

Speaker 1 Middle of the pack, Dan Jones.

Speaker 12 We tried a high-quality coordinator from a place. We tried a guy that's never coached in his life.

Speaker 12 We've tried, we've tried all the time.

Speaker 1 All Saturday was brought in here to try to bring a little accountability back into building.

Speaker 12 I'm just saying, I'm sure they're looking at it like, all right, we're attacking it from all these angles. None of these ones work.
What's the next angle that we're going to try? It's,

Speaker 12 I mean,

Speaker 1 the Texans, we were in.

Speaker 12 Maybe we're going to be in. We were in a tough spot, obviously, for the last two years.

Speaker 1 Say, hey, we've got a new year.

Speaker 1 We're not taking a year off. Next year, if the Colts are on your schedule, guess what? We're out.
We're going to take one year.

Speaker 1 Breather. We're going to completely just wash this thing dry, and then we're going to figure out where our future is.
And also, fire sale. You want one of our players? It's like a yard sale.

Speaker 1 You come on over,

Speaker 1 we kind of barter a little bit, and then you can leave with them. Yeah, because

Speaker 1 in college, you can have 60 guys hit the portal, right? And you can really turn over. Yeah.
You can really. I don't know if it works like that with the NFL.
Until now.

Speaker 1 I heard Peters over there in Washington, Bill just said he signed 20 free agents. They try to turn that thing over.
20 is, that's less than half. In college, they can sign 80 new guys.

Speaker 1 I hate this place. All of you.
Gone.

Speaker 1 Bringing in a whole new rush. NFL, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 Bill might do it this year.

Speaker 1 UNC?

Speaker 2 Yeah, after that Finwell Bowl. Finway bowl.
Shit lacking.

Speaker 1 He didn't like it. He didn't like it.
Boston College just beat the hell out of them? No, that's good. Boston.
No, they were in the, I've been

Speaker 1 on the Bad Boy Mower's Pinstripe Bowl. Who was it?

Speaker 12 It was UConn. UConn.

Speaker 2 Jim Moore's New Hampshire.

Speaker 2 UConn. Then Fenway Bowl.

Speaker 1 New Hampshire. Finway Park.
I knew it was a New England school. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 UConn. UConn Billy O's.
Billy O's up there. Boston.

Speaker 16 UConn's legit, though. Damn right.

Speaker 1 Legit. Well, Moore actually said,

Speaker 1 we fucking see you, and we don't like it. That's what he came out and said, you're poaching our guys.
I know who you are, and I don't like it. Not one bit, Jim Morris said.
It's a wild time.

Speaker 1 We do know who you are. Think hard before you tamper with our players.
Says UConn's head coach, Jim Moore, fresh off of

Speaker 2 9-4.

Speaker 1 Season.

Speaker 12 Nice. Wasabi wasabi ball.

Speaker 1 Fenway. Brett.
Fenway wasabi ball. What does he mean? Is it the Fenway Wasabi ball?

Speaker 1 Played at Fenway Park. Boston College played in the bad boy lawnmower pinstripe ball

Speaker 1 and New York. That was the one I saw.
And Matt Rule gave a great post-game interview after that win, still wearing full jacket because it was cold as shit. They almost came to blows, those two teams.

Speaker 1 Yes. Dylan Rayola took a late hit.
Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 1 The boys got his back. Was that the ref with the cash? No, that was North.
That was East Carolina. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 NC State? Yep. NC State.
Boys got passion over there, so we were a little rivalry. And

Speaker 1 Ref got caught up up in the middle of that thing.

Speaker 1 Damn. Ooh,

Speaker 1 listen, boss, boss, boss, boss. And bang.
They said, shut up.

Speaker 1 I don't like that that happened. Obviously, we need our officials to remain healthy and everything.
But the boys

Speaker 1 came out with some emotion and started a fight for that Carolina. There was some booms.

Speaker 2 What's good here? I like it.

Speaker 1 No, not all of them. I think it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 A lot of it's been. Good ball.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good ball. Cam Ward only played a half, though.
So

Speaker 1 kick him out. Quit on his team.

Speaker 4 He'll be a second rounder now for sure.

Speaker 1 God doesn't like Paul. Team had no idea that was going to happen.
How about who was it? Daniel Jeremiah? Talk back to his phone.

Speaker 1 I've been busy with the family all day, so I haven't caught up with all this chatter.

Speaker 1 NFL teams will not give a fuck about Camboy not playing. That was basically what Daniel Jeremiah said.
College football is ramping up right now, Jage. Ramping up right now.
These playoffs,

Speaker 1 you know, first round, kind of a... A little bit of a chalk.
A lot of good teams

Speaker 1 beat a lot of not so good teams. We got some big ones here tomorrow night and then Wednesday.

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, first round, I agree. But also, like, that's the teams that were supposed to win one, and that's just the way it goes sometimes.
Sometimes the NFL playoffs aren't great, whatever.

Speaker 12 This is going to be a lot of fun. Very much looking forward to this.
Jealous of you guys out. The Rose Bowl, one of the best, greatest settings of all time, and this game is insane.

Speaker 12 This is going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 All right. Before we let you go, we have to ask you about the most valuable player and the most best player.

Speaker 1 Also, all your other uh awards that are potentially something you could no ties no ties no ties i don't know what you're talking about

Speaker 1 you're not allowed to say it's a tie it's a copo you can't do it so the most best player is the offense player of the year

Speaker 1 or defense player could be

Speaker 1 they could sneak in there it could be the mvp the mvp is valuable which is why quarterbacks normally because quarterbacks are the most valuable part of it

Speaker 1 that was uh explained by an email from the ap that was not what's that that? That was not.

Speaker 1 That was just Ocho, who, you know, is. Are you a peer of yours? Peer of mine.
I'm starting to think that maybe no one votes except for Acho, and we just say, hey, we put him in charge.

Speaker 1 Oh, it sounds like he's a little jealous. No, no.
A little jealous of the AP.

Speaker 1 No, he just understands the rules better than everyone else. AP stands for Acho's picks.

Speaker 1 Oh, boom. It should be maybe with the way Tone's reacting right now.
Tone knows that there's a chance. How many voters is there now? 50.

Speaker 1 That could go down to one quickly, quickly, especially with the way things are going. I appreciate the way Acho has been explaining these awards.

Speaker 1 But can you give us your watch list for the MVP and then the two MVPs? Yeah, so how it works out is you vote for five. So for all these, I put up five on the watch list for the MVP here.

Speaker 1 We're looking at it here. Josh, Lamar, Joe, Saquon, and Sam Darnold round out my top five.

Speaker 1 A lot of people think this is a two-person race, and you know, it depends on the eye of the voter, the eye of the beholder on what you think valuable is.

Speaker 1 Because a lot of people can define valuable in different ways. Last year, the voters defined valuable as most wins because Lamar did not have the best stats, but he did have the best record at 14-2.

Speaker 1 He also had great stats, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 But Dak and Josh Allen had better stats last year. And you look at it this year, Lamar, Joe Burrow have better stats than Josh Allen, but Josh Allen has, is he doing it with less?

Speaker 1 People say, I don't know. That's up for people to decide.
And then Saquon, 2,000 yards, unbelievable. What Sam Darnold's done coming off.
Like, there's a lot of stuff that could happen.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the Josh Allen stuff a little bit because what you just talked about is last year, Lamar won.

Speaker 1 Stats were good, but best team, he was best player and most valuable player for the best team.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen now, the Bill is best team in this particular conversation because there's no Chiefs up for the MVP, but his stats aren't as good.

Speaker 1 Why are his stats phenomenal? He didn't play fourth quarter this past year, right? I mean, the stats are still phenomenal. Like last year, Lamar had 29 touchdowns, seven interceptions.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen had 44 44 touchdowns last year. So he had clearly had a lot more touchdowns.
This year, Lamar has 43 touchdowns to four interceptions. Josh has 40 touchdowns to six interceptions.

Speaker 1 Joe has 44 touchdowns to eight interceptions. They're all absurd.

Speaker 1 Like this year, the stats, they all have absurd stats. So it depends on how you look at it.
Okay. I'm happy I'm not a voter.
Jage, let's say you were a voter. Are you a voter, Jage?

Speaker 12 No, thankfully. I'm very happy I was.

Speaker 1 How do you think it should be viewed? And what are your thoughts on this year's race?

Speaker 12 I mean, obviously, this goes back a ways for me.

Speaker 12 I'm a believer that no player on the field is more valuable than the quarterback, so I agree that MVP is always and should be a quarterback award if we're truly going off valuable.

Speaker 12 And I also look at the word valuable in that. Like,

Speaker 12 if you took that player off of their team, which one is going to drop off the most, in my opinion. Like,

Speaker 12 going stat by stat in this category, especially, is tough because there's other things that come into play.

Speaker 12 Because if you're behind in games and you're throwing, you're definitely always like Joe Burrow is having an unbelievable year, an insane year. Rightfully so is in this conversation.

Speaker 12 But when you're also behind in games and chasing, your numbers are going to be way, way higher. So it's a really tough one.
Like if you take Saquon off the Eagles, how far are they dropping?

Speaker 12 If you take Josh off, dude, this is insane. I also agree with what Tony said this weekend.
I don't like, not the tie part, but I do agree that voters get fatigue. We've seen it in other sports MVPs.

Speaker 12 We've seen it in,

Speaker 12 it could be where they're like, all right, we maybe gave it to him last year, but we're not going to give it to him again this year, or he already has two, so let's give it to somebody else.

Speaker 12 Like that absolutely does happen and it shouldn't.

Speaker 12 And I also think, last thing, sorry, is I think there's a lot of people that have already either written it down on their sheet or at minimum made up their mind even before Christmas.

Speaker 12 I think there's a lot of voters that put their stuff.

Speaker 1 Oh, you can't do that.

Speaker 12 the stuff down in the chat.

Speaker 1 Can't mount one of that AP.

Speaker 1 Can't do that.

Speaker 1 Can I?

Speaker 2 That's what I just saw people saying. Race is over like two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 No. Oh, who said that?

Speaker 2 People.

Speaker 1 Nope. I don't know what that guy.

Speaker 1 Who's that? Does he have a vote? It was Dan Orlofsky.

Speaker 4 No, he apologized. He apologized this morning.
He said he was sorry.

Speaker 1 He said he was sorry? He legit first time. I'm sorry.
Dan said, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 Legit.

Speaker 1 He's sorry, though. For what?

Speaker 4 I mean, he's been right about everything else this weekend besides that, but he was sorry about saying that.

Speaker 1 Dan did did have a hot hot weekend on the x he always does he he never brings up how mac jones would have won all those super bowls with the 49 what are you talking about gums down i don't know i never see him talk about that one dano's having a nice little fucking monday right now there's no reason to do this mac spinning it in jacksonville right now to their detriment don't look now yeah to their detriment they're gonna hate him forever he did call the sam darno he was on an island with that one he spoke very highly of sam darno in minnesota this year shut up bunch i've you know that's my guy

Speaker 1 and a cocking car

Speaker 12 as well that's the most fascinating off-season situation that i'm looking at like that that one's crazy man what do you think happens what do you think happens i mean i i you

Speaker 12 in my opinion you have to at minimum franchise and try and hold on like you can't take a guy that's going 14-2 possibly number one overall seed and i don't think they can franchise i assume there's no franchise

Speaker 1 i asked somebody i asked somebody that rule and they said they could so well maybe i i legitimately i think it's all dependent upon how that's negotiated.

Speaker 12 Well, it's

Speaker 12 $43 million is the number. Anyway, so if you're going to pay it, like, I think you have to try and run it back.

Speaker 12 It is way too damn hard to find a quarterback that fits what you want to do that can be successful in this league. I think you have to try and hold on to that guy.
It's proven successful.

Speaker 12 I would much rather bird in the hand versus two in the bush. If J.J.
McCarthy comes in and he makes you, forces you to make a change and you overspent,

Speaker 12 fine, but you can't, like, you could have the number one seed right here in a first-round buy. You're telling me you don't want to run that back, even if, like, I don't know, that's tough, man.

Speaker 1 A bird in the hand as opposed to two in the bush. Potential, get your ass fired.
What J.J. Watt just said right there.

Speaker 1 Hey, we know what's possible if JJ is able to just pick it up as quick as possible, or maybe we find another guy that's been around the block a few times, sign him to a one-year deal, run it back because Kevin O'Connell can draw a place for anybody.

Speaker 1 Justin Jefferson can catch the rock from anybody. Addison's a weapon.
TJ's obviously a monster. Is B-Flow going to be a head coach somewhere? Oh.
Potentially. He could be.
He definitely could be.

Speaker 1 You would think. Because $43 million is franchise tag for a quarterback.
These are your stats. You just said that.

Speaker 1 Have we found out if Sam Darnold? So I just looked it up. Albert Breer wrote an article on the 27th, and the title was, For Vikings and Sam Darnold, the franchise tag makes sense.

Speaker 1 Okay, so if it is possible, 43 million would be a win, you would think, with how Sam Darnold has played thus far. Because you said.

Speaker 12 Because I had the same question you had. Like, I don't, I was like, a one-year deal.
I'm not sure that you can.

Speaker 1 I asked somebody and they said you could but i it does feel strange doesn't it yeah well especially you should be able to negotiate that out of your deal i think if you're signing because this is what like his third deal he'd be signing right because the carolina end up being uh yeah he got i mean it was like two years 20 million or something right i think it's very pretty similar to the one he signed with the vikings and a nine you have to figure there's also not a lot of one-year deals that they think the franchise tag is ever going to come into play because why would you be on a one-year deal if you could potentially be making 43 the next year yeah you can negotiate the tag out of your deal though i think right because you can get trade, you can negotiate trade out.

Speaker 6 You can negotiate it out like Dak did it. Brady did it, but I think you got to have the leverage like they had, where they were putting up massive numbers.

Speaker 1 So 10 million bucks plus we get a franchise tag option. Because if they have one franchise tag option, it actually means, do they get two franchise tag options on a one-year deal?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 You would have to imagine, right?

Speaker 1 That's wild. So then that's an increase of what, 20% from your previous year?

Speaker 12 I'm spewing a lot of things. I don't know a lot about it.

Speaker 1 So that'd be like 50 million. It'd be 43 million the headline.
50 million-ish the next year.

Speaker 1 So he would technically sign a three-year, $103 million deal is what these three years would be if he was to

Speaker 1 do the math and stuff.

Speaker 2 I'm surprised 43 is a number.

Speaker 2 He was like a short time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, was it the average of the top five or no?

Speaker 1 Salaries, not the bonuses, though. I think it's just top five.
Salaries at the position of the last five years, I believe they might have changed it over the last - I got franchise tanked.

Speaker 1 So, you know, a lot of kicker bonuses take place. Those aren't in it, conveniently enough.
You know, not a lot of, yeah, just salaries, the punters and kickers. This is what you're going to make.

Speaker 1 2.4 million deal. To kick a ball, I'll sign that.

Speaker 1 Shouldn't have signed it that quick, I guess. Okay.
Everybody else holds out a little bit. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 I heard I was going to become a millionaire, guaranteed. I fucking signed it.
Went to Canada, celebrated, then found out, wow, this guy's grossly underpaid. That was me.

Speaker 1 And then that's kind of the franchise tag in a nutshell. Kirk Cousins used it to his advantage whenever he was with Washington.

Speaker 1 At the time, it was the Redskins.

Speaker 1 At the time. That is.
That's journalism. That is correct.

Speaker 12 He is the franchise tag king. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Crushed it. Crushed it.
And Vinetary also, I think, got a franchise tag like three years straight up in New England. Then they had to change the rule.
He could only do it two times.

Speaker 1 But if a one-year deal could become a three-year deal with two franchise tags, that feels

Speaker 1 weird, doesn't it?

Speaker 12 It does.

Speaker 12 I think I'm going to go back to my phone, and there's going to be somebody explaining to me that either I'm an idiot or, yeah, it is weird.

Speaker 1 Probably never happened before.

Speaker 12 I think you have to. Either way, no matter what it is.

Speaker 1 I'm FaceTiming a general manager right now. Randomly, you'll see if they answer.
Okay. It'd probably be the first time ever where a player on a one-year deal got a tag.
Hey, we're live. We're live.

Speaker 1 We're live. We're live.

Speaker 12 We're live.

Speaker 9 Hey, you hear me?

Speaker 1 This is exciting.

Speaker 16 Would Sam be a free agent after the season? Could other teams make offers?

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 that's the other thing.

Speaker 1 There's no way the Vikings will pay him.

Speaker 12 Anybody massive dealing with someone who's a billion dollars?

Speaker 16 Yeah, they'll give him a massive deal when multiple teams are bidding for him.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I feel like it would be talked about more.

Speaker 16 weird spot. You're right, Jage.
Weird spot.

Speaker 12 Has to be the first time ever that somebody won your deal franchise tag.

Speaker 16 Who are you talking to? Both of you guys pointing to me.

Speaker 16 Oh, you're pointing me vamp. You know that you've heard vamp.
Jay, do you ever hear that in your broadcast?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just vamp for a little bit.

Speaker 16 Just talking like, I'm like, why do you, let's just come in.

Speaker 1 So everything you just said, franchise tag is possible. Obviously, this is an abnormal situation.
The second year franchise tag is 20% more than what that year is.

Speaker 1 And there are some contracts that have no franchise tag clauses in them, but obviously that's a part of the negotiation up in the front end of that.

Speaker 1 That person also said would be wild if a one-year deal became a three-year deal with two franchise tags in the entire thing. I don't think they've ever seen that point.

Speaker 12 But I'd franchise them. If I can spend $43 million to possibly get the number one seat again, no doubt.

Speaker 1 And what else do you do? What else do you do, Jage?

Speaker 1 Uh, what do we do? What do I punt that decision to next year? That's right. You don't even have to fucking make it easy.
Oh, yeah, you just let's go ahead and take that thing to next year.

Speaker 1 We'll see you then. 43 million, that's a good deal.
Fully guaranteed deal. Had fun here, right?

Speaker 1 Probably could get 50 on the market somewhere, but take a seven million dollar hit here for guarantee we have a good time, and then we'll see where we are next year.

Speaker 1 And then maybe, you know, we can learn more about JJ. That's the move, Jake.
Yeah, that's the move. Yep,

Speaker 12 it does make for a tough offseason, there's no doubt, because JJ McCarthy is going to be healthy and he's going to be out there spinning it. And people are going to say, I mean, that's

Speaker 12 I don't think it matters.

Speaker 12 I think you take the guy that took you to whatever it is, if they do end up getting the one seed, and that is your guy, especially when you look at that locker room, the way that they're celebrating, the way that they love him right now.

Speaker 12 Also, give just an insane amount of credit to Kevin O'Connell. Like, the guy clearly knows what he's doing.
Also, let's talk about how coaching matters more than just about anything.

Speaker 12 Coaches, it's one of the things that I asked Mike Tomlin in our production meeting before the Christmas game was, if you were hiring a head coach in today's atmosphere, would you be

Speaker 12 offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, CEO type? And he was like, in today's world, has to be an offensive mind, has to be a guy that's an offensive mind because the quarterback's the most.

Speaker 12 So it was really, that was a really interesting take from a notoriously defensive guy.

Speaker 1 Wow. That's a big piece of information, right?

Speaker 1 Especially because I thought it was coming back to Culture Center, being the head coach.

Speaker 1 That's why I thought it was kind of swinging in that direction because I think there's a couple places that are like, if Rabel's available,

Speaker 1 let's make sure we get Rabel in here because he will. Oh, yeah.
Boy, does that piss me off?

Speaker 1 Why does that piss you off?

Speaker 1 JJ Walter.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. What do you say? Quarterback's most.
We had fucking Matt Cannon hanging around for three years. That was the guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You are, you are hot. Son of a bitch.

Speaker 12 What did you just wipe off with a dude wipe?

Speaker 1 Notes. Yeah, notes.
See the ball throw Kenny yesterday?

Speaker 1 What's that, buddy?

Speaker 1 See the ball throw Kenny Piggy yesterday? Yeah, I've been waiting this time. I saw that.

Speaker 1 That's what you wrote down there.

Speaker 1 That's what you wrote down.

Speaker 1 It's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Took him for a walk, did it, though?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. That was the note you put down.

Speaker 1 You got the other angle, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course there is no other angle. That's the only angle.
Of course, I got the other angle.

Speaker 12 Because I got thrown for a loop there. I sent it to my buddy, like my brothers, and I was like, dude, this is crazy.
What the hell happened?

Speaker 12 And, like, it was the perfect fly gets around the world before

Speaker 12 whatever truth gets his pants on. And I saw the other, like, oh, I'm an idiot.
What other angle?

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? What are you talking about? There's another angle.

Speaker 12 I feel bad. I've been on that, man.
I know what that feels like. That's the worst.
When, like, you just, there's times where you look like an idiot and you don't have to to look like an idiot.

Speaker 1 He's got to look like an idiot. It's football.
It's Kenny Pickett football. Trying to make a point.
He's been spinning over there. He has.

Speaker 1 McKee comes in, spins it. He was spinning.
They tush-pushed him. It's almost like anyone can spin it.
A little bit too high.

Speaker 5 What's that? It's almost like anyone could spin it over there.

Speaker 1 Where are you talking about in Philadelphia? Yeah, Tanner McKee comes in, ice cold, just tosses two tutty snacks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but McKee, we know. I'm worried about potentially seeing him around one of the playoffs.
McKee? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I love that big dom got his football back yeah because i heard mckie potentially wasn't gonna be able to sleep at night if he didn't get his football back aj brown hell of a throw too i mean like to his credit yep sees it eyes it

Speaker 12 i mean that was hey that was the guy's first ever touchdown oh no no oh no oh no oh no he took a lot of time to think about the throw too it wasn't an immediate punt into the stands he took a couple seconds he had a couple moments to think and still yucked it up there.

Speaker 1 Big Dom says, hey, bud, yeah, he gets you a jersey. Okay, we'll get it after the game.
Okay, get it right now. Need that ball back now, though.
Okay, need you to give me that ball back.

Speaker 1 Yep, yep, yep, we got you. We got you.
No big problem here. Love that Big Dom is the guy that's negotiating with the fan.
Of course. Big Dom is obviously a consultant to ownership, general manager.

Speaker 1 He's a sideline, obviously, executor. Anybody gets on the sideline, he's going to deal with it.
And then also, he is a fan negotiator for situations that could occur.

Speaker 1 Remember, Tom Brady, Mike Evans had a similar situation down in Tampa. It became a big to-do.
McKee's first touchdown, we assume, is it going to become a multi-million dollar ball, but you never know.

Speaker 1 Never know. Never know with what McKee's going to become.
And instead, A.J. Brown signs a jersey for him.
Nobody tries to steal it. Shout out to Philly getting it right here.

Speaker 1 Seems like Philly does it right here. Yeah.
Way to go, Philly. That's for it, Philly.
There you go. Nobody ever said that about Philly.
No. This type of situation, as soon as A.J.

Speaker 1 Brown tosses that shirt, this is what people would say about Philly, not us, obviously.

Speaker 1 As soon as that thing's in the air, somebody takes out a pocket knife, snatch in half, rips that thing, sprints for the exit. Other person has it.
Whoa, what's the dude?

Speaker 1 Shut up, punk, jacks it off.

Speaker 1 See you. He's out of there.
Philly finds its way in there somehow. Somebody does step on poop, a human's poop on the way out of there.
That's what people say about Philly. Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's right because obviously they handled that with the most amount of

Speaker 1 chivalry I think that you could possibly have.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Philadelphia. Shout out to Philadelphia.

Speaker 12 Thank you, Big Day. We almost made it.
We almost made it. I thought maybe on a Monday we wouldn't have any feces discussion.
I thought that was a Wednesday only. And here we are again.

Speaker 1 Wow, here we are again.

Speaker 1 Philadelphia. Philadelphia, somebody, some John over there ate horse poop after a Super Bowl.

Speaker 16 Is that on film? Is that on? Do we have footage of that?

Speaker 1 That can't be real. It didn't come out of a cup, but it was a poop.
Yeah, it run up the street. Yeah, it was poop.
It was poop.

Speaker 1 One of these, like, you know, when the Pope kisses the ground, it was like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Same thing pretty much.

Speaker 1 Same thing. I wonder if the Pope ever was forced to to kiss the ground and had a little poop on it, little turd on it, something like that.

Speaker 1 And I wonder if he goes, no, not today.

Speaker 12 I don't have the story here. Somebody filmed it.
And what the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 1 So the Pope kisses the ground. I think that's one of the Pope's thing.
No, I know that. I know that.

Speaker 12 That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 All right. What are you talking about? You're talking about after the Super Bowl, Philadelphia, whenever they won a Super Bowl, they had to grease the poles, remember?

Speaker 1 Because they didn't want people to... No,

Speaker 12 who ate horse poop?

Speaker 1 Some John over there. She's off the ground, like the Pope, Super fan.

Speaker 1 Some John, some Philadelphia Eagles fan, ate horse poop because came out and said that they would do it if the Eagles won a Super Bowl. And then lo and behold, the dogs are barking.

Speaker 1 Hold up, wait a minute. They do it.
And then they have to eat the poop off the ground. That's Philadelphia Eagles football.
I mean, that's the way those Philadelphians are.

Speaker 1 They will support their team till death. But if you stink at all or give any indication that you stink, it's over.
Yeah. It is over.
They got high expectations over there for good reasons.

Speaker 1 I love the way they handle it.

Speaker 12 Different than Indy?

Speaker 1 Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, if any of this shit that happened in Indy was to happen in, I don't know, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, New England, anywhere,

Speaker 1 you name it. Like this wouldn't have, you know?

Speaker 12 I'm with you, man.

Speaker 12 I'm with you. I came from that era where like if you stunk or you lost and you even did an interview the following week or like you were roasted.
If you posted on Twitter or Instagram, it was over.

Speaker 12 Like your fans would destroy you. Much less like now it's it's a podcast.
It's everything.

Speaker 12 I mean, I'm do what you got to do.

Speaker 1 Build your brand. I understand.
You got to build your brand. Do what you have to do.
Do your business. Think about your next job.
It's your current job. That's smart.
I did it.

Speaker 1 Listen, who would I be to say that? But it's just like the way they handle everything. It's like you guys haven't won nothing.
Everybody else in the AFC South has won it. That's a stat I just learned.

Speaker 1 Crazy. I didn't need to hear that.
Wow. But I'm happy we got it in now.

Speaker 1 Unless CJ's playing in a Super Bowl, obviously, which is possible with Texans. They can get hot.

Speaker 1 They get Aziz Al Shair back, which could be a big, you know, momentum swing for that Houston Texans team in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 He'll stop by, hopefully, Super Bowl Radio Row, and then he'll just say something like, Hey, can somebody search the last time the Colts have won anything?

Speaker 1 And it gets pulled up, and it's like 10 years. That's when I learned right in CJ Stroud's face.
10 years ago, say 11.

Speaker 1 Because last year was 10. Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 damn. I got cool shoes on, though.
I fucking won that.

Speaker 12 Those are great. Oh, yeah, nice.

Speaker 1 You see that?

Speaker 12 Yeah, those are great. See that number right there? Oh, boom.
I just want to,

Speaker 12 before we end this, I just want to get a full grasp on the situation.

Speaker 12 You are moving forward with the exact same scenario into next season if you are in charge of the Colts.

Speaker 1 Me?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Buddy, I've already laid out plans to the boys, and I don't know if we're going to have enough players to field a team next year for fucking week one with the way I would kind of get it.

Speaker 12 Coach GM all staying the same.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 12 I'm asking. I'm trying to, I wasn't here for that part.

Speaker 1 Is that what you got from that tweet? Yeah, do some journalism, buddy. All right.
Jesus Christ, snoop around just a little bit, right? Just snoop around just a tiny little bit, Jage. All right.

Speaker 12 Well, you said during my segment, you said, I don't think you can change it up because you don't want to change one and not the other one.

Speaker 1 I don't think they will. I said, I don't think they will.

Speaker 1 All right. And by they, we don't even know who's making a situation.
Like, that was my.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 16 Who's in charge? I'm actually, oh, no.

Speaker 1 I asked, maybe John Mellin.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Shit, it might be.
We have no idea. Blue? That's why I asked.
I said, hey, Blue's Salute to Service Award winner. They might just.
Dude,

Speaker 12 we've said a lot of preposterous things on this show.

Speaker 12 That is very, very high up there with some of the most preposterous stuff ever said on this show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should see when it was announced. Nobody really knew what it was because they made the announcement pretty quick.
You know, they made it, they kind of like snuck it in and out there.

Speaker 1 But as somebody that has like tried to...

Speaker 1 you know really give back this community is a military community like like just tried my best to be a part of it and like it's kind of just a natural thing.

Speaker 1 Whenever they announce this year, Salute to Service Award winner is. I was actually kind of pumped to see who it was, and then

Speaker 1 Blue comes out, blows his nose. Of course, he did.
I'm like, all right,

Speaker 1 okay,

Speaker 12 it blows. He's making a mockery of the whole thing.

Speaker 1 No, it's like that.

Speaker 1 How did that

Speaker 1 blue is good? No, I agree. I agree.
I agree. Blue is good.

Speaker 12 That's crazy. But I'm just saying, like, pretty popular.
Service military, like, yep.

Speaker 1 Man, that is

Speaker 1 a little bit of a mockery. It's not a mockery.
Embarrassed them them a little bit. It's tough.

Speaker 2 We fact-checked that.

Speaker 1 It's true. It's true.
Wasn't blue. Staff Sergeant?

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 J, we appreciate the hell out of you, okay? Thanks for really coming on today. I hope you enjoyed your fucking popcorn.
Okay. Hope you had a blast, James.

Speaker 1 It did look really good.

Speaker 12 Guys, have a great day. Enjoy Pasadena.
That will be awesome. AJ, good luck to your boys.

Speaker 12 I've sat I won't see you guys this week, so it's going to be another 10 days till I see you again. Hopefully a lot of fun, exciting things happen.

Speaker 1 What a bummer.

Speaker 12 bummer see you then all right it'll be after it'll be after black monday uh

Speaker 1 whoa yes it will

Speaker 1 yes it will jade who knows what happens that day oh okay you're talking about when all the files

Speaker 1 get fired fire

Speaker 12 okay so we'll know what we'll know what's going on all right i i can't wait i'll have my popcorn ready who knows maybe you change the whole world up there

Speaker 1 All you, 100%.

Speaker 1 All right. Don't put that.
Ladies and gentlemen, Jake. Thanks, Jake.
Thanks, Jake.

Speaker 1 Hey, Wait, see you. Happy New Year, James.
We'll see you next year.

Speaker 1 I will see you next year.

Speaker 1 Wow, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 JJ Wah.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. I'll give him back.

Speaker 1 Hey, everybody calling you JJ Wah in your life now?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was so funny.
That was a good

Speaker 1 thing.

Speaker 12 I was backing up that Coach Saban saw that. Like when I heard Coach Saban talk about the skit, I was like, listen, having Coach Saban look at his phone and watch that two minutes cracked me up.

Speaker 1 We showed it to him right before that clip. So, what you saw him talking about came immediately after showing him the clip.
We saw his face, just like your face is right here on this wall.

Speaker 1 We saw his face the entire time. He smiled at a couple things, but there wasn't any big pops.
I think he was very flustered on where this was headed.

Speaker 1 You know, like that was immediately upon getting on the show.

Speaker 12 He was, he was, I think, i think i think shane gillis just in general got him a little

Speaker 12 like he's not used to

Speaker 12 it was that was good television that was good television he did not like that at all your commercial was good commercial great that was good commercial it was fantastic it was fun they did they did a great job went out there to chester pennsylvania um

Speaker 12 went out there

Speaker 12 it's it's such a cool setup and the way that he does it and the way that his crew and staff and everybody is just had a lot of fun just flew out there real quick did it and uh they they were hilarious great to work with shane's obviously hilarious best commercial of the day for all the netflix no doubt you know they're promoting everything that's the best commercial of the day you were a part of it how'd you feel in the booth i thought you did good thank you i i appreciate it i love the booth i i really enjoyed it you get the adrenaline you get the stadium atmosphere you get the vibe you get the unexpectedness of the game um i really enjoyed it i mean i i literally had people in my mentions saying that i was all over the chiefs and i love the chiefs too much why don't Why am I talking so good about the Chiefs?

Speaker 12 And then I had people in my mentions saying, Wow, can you tell that his brother's on one of these two teams? Like, he loves the Steelers.

Speaker 12 So you don't learn very quickly what it's like about being a broadcaster, and I think I did it properly. So I had a lot of fun.
Nine Eagle is the greatest. Nate did a great job.
It was fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what you're looking for right there, buddy. You either pissed off both people or made both people happy.
That's all you can ask for. We thought you did great.
And Nate looks so cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He looks so cool.

Speaker 12 Great red velvet. Looked exactly like Santa's sash.
It was a beautiful suit.

Speaker 12 One thing I'll never ever do in my life is outdress Mape Bros.

Speaker 1 Anything else you think you ever think in your life? Anything else you'll never do in your entire life? How about squirrel dive or squirrel suit dive off the side of a cliff? You know those things?

Speaker 12 I wouldn't put that as a no for life.

Speaker 12 That could be fun in the right scenario.

Speaker 1 What's the right scenario there? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Safe

Speaker 1 landing

Speaker 1 relative. Yeah, but

Speaker 12 water.

Speaker 1 I've done on virtual reality. It is

Speaker 1 a nervous center at the top. You do that on the water.
I believe you can hit water at 700 miles an hour.

Speaker 12 No, isn't that the whole point of the suit? Is that you come in gliding for a nice, nice, easy landing?

Speaker 16 And drop your parachute, yeah, but not if you hit a mountain first.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the issue is the mountain that you just jumped off of, you know, because there's a little bit of a breeze sometimes. The only safe scenario is if you have a leftover.

Speaker 12 That's the point. I'm saying,

Speaker 12 I need somewhere where I can get away from the mountain. Aren't these squirrel suits like where you just glide down?

Speaker 1 Yeah, what you can go anywhere in the world. They go through the mountains.
Those guys go through the mountains really close. You can turn that song bitch sideways too, like you're a fire jet.

Speaker 1 I think.

Speaker 16 Pop smoke in the back, too, so it looks cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely smoke.

Speaker 1 Maybe what color would you smoke red, obviously? You put red, or would you put the up the clarets color right there behind you?

Speaker 12 Ooh, that would be a nice color. That would be a nice color going through the mountains.

Speaker 12 I actually think the

Speaker 12 blue would be nice. Yeah.

Speaker 12 What the the hell? Yeah, shit.

Speaker 12 What's that? Can I turn that off? No, it doesn't thumbs up.

Speaker 1 They're watching. There's a lot of things

Speaker 1 that's been doing these things, so I'm about done with. What they do to you guys, these photo albums, and the new phone? Oh, it's so stupid.
I heard they changed the phone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got the new phone? No, it's not the new phone.

Speaker 12 Do you not have an iPhone?

Speaker 1 I haven't done the update. I haven't done the update.
I'm going to fully recognize it. You're going to go to the library, but now at the bottom, it's like recent days.

Speaker 1 They give you the memories are kind of nice, actually. Okay.
So I had somebody. say it.
It's fully ran by AI now, so it categorizes everything. The memories are really nice.
Okay, nice.

Speaker 1 I can't wait for that. I had somebody say it's crop.

Speaker 1 They put slide codes together for you. It's actually really nice.
Who said that?

Speaker 1 It wasn't me.

Speaker 4 I think I got no issues with the album.

Speaker 1 Tim Album. Sounded like it could have been me.
Tim Albel fucking up.

Speaker 4 I got a lot of issues with a lot of things, but that's not one of them.

Speaker 1 The photo album the first day, you were definitely not happy about it. Definitely.

Speaker 4 I remember the only.

Speaker 12 Tom's got the best IG game. I mean, he's got a great IG.

Speaker 4 Thank you, JD.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, we have a code red for Ty Schmidt. Obviously, it's a holiday season, but this could be from anything.
Good gate. Let's keep it looking at the clock.
It's 255.45 on my clock.

Speaker 12 Over, under 45 wipes.

Speaker 1 Under. That was so disgusting that you started that.
And then you acted like it was okay whenever Age said 100 wipes. And then he cut it down to 50, then to 40.
You're like, yeah, that's normal.

Speaker 1 And then Dig, same thing. You guys got real problems.
You're pooping in your hands. Have you guys heard that?

Speaker 12 You're acting like it's an everyday, you're talking about a once-a-year occurrence.

Speaker 1 Once a year, 45 wipes?

Speaker 12 First of all, this was like the main topic when I was down on the field before the game in Pittsburgh. This was like, I had multiple people bringing this up to me.

Speaker 12 They were like, Jay, just this morning, over under 15 wipes. I'm like, dude, this is not, I don't want this to be.
I got JJ Waugh, and I've got 100 wipes.

Speaker 12 It's not great. But it's a once a year, like,

Speaker 12 shit just gets a little sideways. Like, it's just crazy.

Speaker 1 You're not walking away from me.

Speaker 1 How old are you?

Speaker 12 There's a lot of people out there on the same side as me and AJ.

Speaker 1 Nah, there isn't. How old are you?

Speaker 12 35.

Speaker 1 35 times, this guy's used at least 45 wipes. What a freak.
What a fucking psycho.

Speaker 12 I'm not, you cannot tell me that you're walking away from 100%

Speaker 12 in your entire life, 10 and under.

Speaker 1 I will say, I will say yes. 100% chance, 10 and under my whole life.
I will say, if I get to six or seven, I'm like, God damn,

Speaker 1 what is the problem? You got to sit back down.

Speaker 1 You got to sit back down. Six or seven?

Speaker 1 Seven is a lie.

Speaker 1 I am not lying. You guys got problems with your tush.
I'm telling you, this is not good. I'm with you, Pat.

Speaker 5 I'm scratching my head hearing this number from these guys.

Speaker 1 And I think a lot of people. I'm going to take a video.

Speaker 12 You're talking about after that pizza hunt, after one of your pizza hut days here, where you guys are crushing 10, 10, 15 slices of pieces next day, like

Speaker 12 they ain't just

Speaker 12 telling me it all comes out roses, smooth, easy?

Speaker 1 No, but what are you talking? 45 wipes. You could wipe your whole fucking body one time completely clean with 45.
Are you going brand new toilet paper every time, too? This is a follow-up question.

Speaker 1 You're going brand new every time.

Speaker 12 AJ, am I solo on this? You're the one that said 100. Give me a little backup here.

Speaker 1 I was asked a question. I'm saying

Speaker 16 if it happened with me, it was the 40 or 50 situation. It was younger.
Definitely not once a year. But yeah, I'm saying it has happened back in the day when it maybe in my, you know.

Speaker 12 Back and down, man.

Speaker 1 Between 10 to 15.

Speaker 16 No, that's what I said back then.

Speaker 1 So you were pulling. When I was younger.
45 times you're pulling out.

Speaker 1 Let me get in there. And we're going in for another round.
One. He's not saying it's every day.
No one's ever said it's every day.

Speaker 12 Why did Chris Pratt say that Brown Marker joke? Like, that is the...

Speaker 1 It was a comedy, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that wasn't actually on the show.

Speaker 1 He was talking like in real life.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about you guys. Speaking of worried, we're covering up on three minutes since Ty has exited.
This is not a number one code red.

Speaker 1 This is a number two code red, clearly.

Speaker 1 Will he dude wipe himself with some dingle bells or has the season passed? That's a decision that we're going to have to find out and wait for his post-dump presser. Jage,

Speaker 1 your thought about the game tonight? It's a big one. Lions taking on the Niners.
Nothing on the line, Jage. Nothing.
Lions lose by 50.

Speaker 1 They still will be playing for the number one seed in the NFC next week against the Minnesota Vikings. Lions win by 50, which is possible.
It means absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 They'll still be playing for the number one seed next week. And the Niners are out regardless.
Nobody thought this season was going to go the way it has gone for the Niners.

Speaker 1 Excited for them to reload this offseason and come back better than ever next year. Jage, how do you see this game going?

Speaker 12 It's a really really tough one. I'm actually very interested to see how they play it out.

Speaker 12 I am personally of the belief that you either go all out and play as a perfectly normal situation or you rest your guys completely and let them get ready for next week.

Speaker 12 I don't like the middle ground situations where you just kind of see how it goes and then take guys out. But I mean, the Lions are the Lions.

Speaker 12 They're very beat up, obviously, but they're still just a juggernaut. They know how to score.
They know how to run the ball. The Niners hasn't gone anywhere remotely close to what people thought.

Speaker 12 I'm very confused, and I don't even know know what to think about them going into next year now.

Speaker 1 But I think the Lions still jade likes the Lions minus three and a half on the road here on Monday night football.

Speaker 1 Biggest game of the year happening next Sunday night, just six days away for this Detroit Lions team. Darius J.
Butler, nine-year NFL vet.

Speaker 1 Do you like the Lions minus three and a half or the Niners getting points at home?

Speaker 2 No, I do not. I'm going with the Niners to cover in this one just because of the uncertainty.

Speaker 12 Would you sit, everybody?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I would play them just because I feel like that's who Dan Campbell is. But at the same time, they've been so ravaged by injuries, and then you down and back as well.

Speaker 2 So, like, how much do you play Gibbs?

Speaker 2 Um, so I mean, it's tough, it's tough.

Speaker 1 That's why I'm going Niners.

Speaker 1 You said you'd sit him, Jake.

Speaker 12 I think I would. Like, the more I'm sitting here thinking about it, I think I would.

Speaker 1 Five minutes in and out.

Speaker 1 Code right averted. We are now back to green flag racing.

Speaker 12 What's a number?

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Ty Schmidt. I assume he used his dude wipes in there, so he's not going to be able to reach a 45 or 50 number that J.J.
Watt reaches once a year whenever he takes a massive.

Speaker 12 Stop getting spun to me. This was an AJ thing.
Stop spinning it to me.

Speaker 1 You're giving more information.

Speaker 1 You're giving more information out. We're learning more.
Follow-ups. Yeah, we're learning more about journalism.

Speaker 12 The Stonehenge over there is quiet.

Speaker 1 He's not saying.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Scott. You asked me the question.

Speaker 16 You asked me the question, I gave you an answer.

Speaker 7 I know, you said 100.

Speaker 1 So why am I? I dropped it down. Well, because you said once a year you do it 45, and you skipped work last week.
You remember? Oh, yeah. He had to do

Speaker 1 the entire Christmas game thing. So we haven't been a chance to chat with you.
We've talked to AJ already.

Speaker 12 You weren't on on Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I never was going to be.

Speaker 1 Skip it. I had great Christmas.
Great.

Speaker 12 How many dude wipes did you use? That's a good question.

Speaker 1 One. Ty, what happened? You know, red, you almost dumped your flush.
You almost dumped your pants or what happened? Very close to shitting my pants.

Speaker 1 I took, you know, usually I don't wait for the in-between hour two and hour three to take a dump because

Speaker 1 we just don't got that kind of time. We just don't.
Sometimes, you know, we're going to go a little bit earlier. Sometimes we're going to take our time.
Today I had no choice.

Speaker 1 Said, I'm going to have to, I haven't taken a dump in like two, three days. Sorry, what? What? What? Yeah, traveling.
It always happens after, you know, I've got to.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, I guess, getting that out of you.

Speaker 1 That's way worse than the white pairline thing. So

Speaker 1 I said today, I said, you know what?

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to get a Shake Shack. And I'm going to have to

Speaker 1 force it out. I'm going to have to fucking really, yeah, just kind of let loose.

Speaker 1 And it was, I mean, just nasty, sludge.

Speaker 1 Grainy. Yeah, exactly.
Tough football in there.

Speaker 1 Not the type of dump you want to be taking, but that's why, you know, I mean, if I had toilet paper and not dude wipes in there.

Speaker 1 How many wipes do you think if you had to do toilet paper? 30. Toilet paper? Well,

Speaker 1 it's just so messy

Speaker 1 that it's just not something you want to.

Speaker 9 But, you know, dude wipes, I think.

Speaker 1 Just slopping it around. That's about five wipes.
Five dude wipes? Yep. Oh, my God.
That ain't okay. No, five wipes with the dude wipes.
With one dude wipe.

Speaker 1 Correct. Got it.
Five dude wipes. Yeah, five wipes.

Speaker 1 Blush of brick.

Speaker 1 Wait a second. Hold on.
Whoa. You wiped it.

Speaker 12 And then you re-wiped with the same dude wipes four more times?

Speaker 1 No. Four more times is tough.
I don't know how he got there, but at least two more you could get. At least.
Two more. Yeah.
With the same wipe? Fold that thing in half.

Speaker 1 How much do you guys have coming out of your bus?

Speaker 1 You guys are using the same wipe? I'm not. Two wipes.
You got to fold that in half one time. You wipe it once and throw it in.
You don't fold it? You got to fold it cleanup. Jesus.

Speaker 1 The folded dude wipes back and cleanup in here. Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 No wonder you're going through a full roll of toilet paper every time you take it. What the fuck is wrong with you guys? What is wrong with you guys? Me.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jesus. You don't fold? You don't, you don't what?

Speaker 1 You guys have so much. You wipe your ass, you pull it out,

Speaker 1 look at your shit and

Speaker 1 fold it and then go back in. Not as egregious as you can.

Speaker 1 It's a clear-off.

Speaker 1 This is going to sound vast, and I think it'll explain why I was so mind-blown. I'm a one-two-wipe guy whole life.
That's it. One, two,

Speaker 1 I think it's, I think it's admirable in my butthole to be that way because I'm learning that you guys

Speaker 1 are doing 45 to 50 of them. You're very lucky.
What are you talking about? Dude wipes. That's a fucking easy, how you doing, keep it moving situation.

Speaker 12 45.

Speaker 12 You're going to origami with your dude wipe? What? No.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you do it five times. Now, that is an extension of.
It's straight butt piss, gentlemen. Okay.
I'm not talking about like fucking thick clumps of poop in there.

Speaker 1 Like, it's, I was pissing out of my asshole. So, like, you just do it.

Speaker 1 You do it a couple times, and it's

Speaker 1 clean.

Speaker 1 So, AJ, have you made your pick yet? Debuts is on

Speaker 1 the Niners plus three and a half. JJ's on the Lions minus three and a half.
JJ also, I think the 45-wipe thing is happening once a month, not once a year.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm starting to do. I gotta go wipe my son's ass.

Speaker 12 He's awake. I gotta.
All right.

Speaker 1 Good luck, Dad. Thank you, JJ.

Speaker 1 Great exit for him. I'll take the Lions.

Speaker 1 Me too. All right.

Speaker 1 That's the show.

Speaker 1 What a day today. What a day.
We did good today, I think. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 The more we learn, the more befuttle we get. Boy.
Oh, shit, we got overreaction tweets. I completely forgot.
Need to do these.

Speaker 1 Sent out a tweet this morning saying, good morning, beautiful people. A lot has happened.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to hear your thoughts about your football team. Why don't you make a post and utilize

Speaker 1 I don't want to overreact.

Speaker 1 It ended up being a number two overall trend on X in the United States States of America. We appreciate everybody for participating.
It is so much fun and so cool to scroll through those.

Speaker 1 The number one trend was a guy who died at 100, former president.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Carter. Carter.
Absolutely. Rest in peace.
Love peanuts. 100 years old.
He would love peanuts. He was a peanut eater.

Speaker 1 He was potentially the guy to say, hey, Texas Roadhouse, peanuts, all of them. Throw them all over the place.
We're not 100% sure, but he lived to 100. Holy shit.
Way to go. Beat the game.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace. He was the number one trend on United States' X.
Number two is hashtag I don't want want to overreact. Bud.
This is from Boston Toner. Hashtag I don't want to overreact.
Bud.

Speaker 1 The Patriots have the best situation for a new staff in front office in the history of the NFL. Number one pick, most cap space in the NFL.
Franchise rookie quarterback.

Speaker 1 It was a fun experience this year, but glory must be restored to New England. And glory comes with 25 packs of SIGs and unlimited logs of dip.
That's Mike Vrabe. Well sounds like Ton Man.

Speaker 1 You're all in on Vrabes coming back home. Yeah, I am.
This would be an overreaction, though. I would classify it as that.
I still think that there are legs to the Mayo era.

Speaker 1 I did not think about the Schefter scenario, about the Bills losing on purpose so that the Patriots win.

Speaker 1 I still am not sure if the Patriots can win with another team losing on purpose, if that is possible. But I still have some faith.

Speaker 1 Although, if it does end ugly and Mayo does get fired, it wouldn't be the worst case scenario for Mike Vrabel or Ben Johnson to come in. I don't know if you ordered enough logs of Dim.

Speaker 1 Have his own farm. Yeah, you're right.
I don't know. Maybe it's possible.

Speaker 1 They can open it up up there. I mean,

Speaker 1 and you forgot vapes too, right? He's a vape. Yeah, yeah.
Vapes in Massachusetts don't do too well just because of the rules there now, but you can go up to New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 Oh, you can't vape in Massachusetts?

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa. You don't get all the cool flavors.
There's a lot of teams that are going to want Vrabel's

Speaker 1 services. I think you should know you can't vape up there.

Speaker 1 You can. I just don't know what flavor is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if he's a menthol tobacco guy, then he's fine, which I assume he is. What a dog, Vrabel.
His contract with the Cleveland Browns is up today, I believe. It was reported, A.J.
Hawk.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I mean, Vraves is an absolute hot commodity.

Speaker 16 I do wonder where he could land, but the Patriots' job, like, yeah, I don't think it could happen, but it would not shock me if he is named the Patriots coach eventually.

Speaker 1 He's in a Patriots ring of honor, right? Yeah, he is. Loves New England, Rich.

Speaker 2 Got a red jacket.

Speaker 1 Red jacket. Love that red.
Red jacket. Yeah.
Who gives a shit? Give him a job. Happy Gilmore 2's coming out.
It is. Oh, he does.
Let's go to the next overreaction. It's from Dumpy.

Speaker 1 Hashtag I don't want overreaction. But

Speaker 1 after starting the season 2-6, the Dolphins have fought tooth and nail to stay lurking in the playoff hunt.

Speaker 1 Got to handle our business against the Jets, and we're a Carl Wentz masterclass away from a chance to break the 24-year draft. See you in the playoffs.
Hashtag GoFinsGumpschnawin overreaction.

Speaker 4 I cannot express the roller coaster this season has been, but the fight that this team has shown has been actually incredible.

Speaker 4 They were dead at 2-6, going into Los Angeles, play the Rams on Monday night, win that game. They've kept winning.
They've fought.

Speaker 4 So I am proud of this Dolphins team, whether we make the playoffs or not.

Speaker 1 Huntley looked a lot better against the Browns than he did earlier in the year. The two of stuff's worrisome.
Yeah, two of the stuff's worrisome. It kind of came out of nowhere in my eyes.

Speaker 1 I didn't expect it. Whenever I turned on the game and Huntley was playing, I was like, what did I miss?

Speaker 1 I go back through to had a hip, same hip that he had surgery on, which was the Bo Jackson injury. Modern advances in science got him back to playing sport where Bo Jackson was not.

Speaker 1 Hopefully he's okay. Let's go to the next overreaction.
It's from Chris C at C2.

Speaker 1 You can see one or you can see two like Chris C.

Speaker 1 Is that like the classes?

Speaker 1 What's that? The C2 classes? You guys have those or no? Oh, you're talking about...

Speaker 1 Cut and metal?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Never mind. There's like honors classes, there's C1 classes, and then there were C2 classes in my era.
Are those domestic classes? Yeah, that's why I thought that name was awesome.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Chris, potentially, we're not 100% sure. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but Rahim Morris is not a head coach and should never get the chance again.

Speaker 1 Two-minute drill timeouts is coaching 101. Sucked at Tampa Bay.
Was the assistant head coach for 28-3. Completely fumbled this whole season.
Bro, ain't it.

Speaker 1 And Arthur Blank, a coward who's going to let it happen. Jeez, Louise, C2, bringing an A-bomb to this guy.
What happened here? Was this a lot of Atlanta reaction?

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of people who were done with Rahim, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 I don't necessarily get it, but that was most of the sentiment today. Pennix comes in, has a couple good balls.
I think he's a guy.

Speaker 1 He had to score, had to walk down the field, had to make a throw to score with less than a minute, and he did. I think he checked all the boxes of being a guy.

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins in uniform on the sideline, hands in pocket, interesting. Let's kind of watch it all unfold.

Speaker 1 But then Jaden Daniels does what I think Jaden Daniels is going to do going forward. I actually put out a tweet after that game was like, future NFL is into the spot.

Speaker 1 Future NFL is in a real good spot with those two. I guess Atlanta says we need to be in a new spot.
Can't blame them. Here we go to the next one.
This one's from Patrick Wilson at Papa Pump OC. Okay.

Speaker 1 Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but the Chargers put the league on notice Saturday.

Speaker 1 Justin the second coming Herbert and the rest of his squad are following the greatest head coach of our time to the promised land.

Speaker 1 And there is nothing Patty Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or even Taylor Swift can do.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Papa Pump wants us to go ahead and fucking bark up that tree the Taylor Swift one, but that Chargers win was awesome to watch, H.

Speaker 16 I mean, Justin Herbert, I love watching the dude, but man, you can't give Hardball enough credit for this team, what he's able to do in under a year.

Speaker 16 It's just, he's changed everything, and there's hope now for a long time.

Speaker 1 This is him after the game in the locker room. Credit goes to all you guys, players, coaches, mostly the players, though.
Mostly the players, though. And then he gave

Speaker 1 a couple more wise words of wisdom. And he said, man, this feels good.
Turn around, let's give everybody a high five. Fucking everybody starts having.

Speaker 1 And then to you players, for he's a jolly good fella, for he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow.

Speaker 1 And then he goes right into who's got it better than us?

Speaker 1 Nobody.

Speaker 1 They are right at walking off. It's like, Jim Hardball is awesome.
You knew it. You seen it.
You said it, D.Butch. I don't want to put you on the,

Speaker 1 oh.

Speaker 1 Just like I fucking said it would train. But for the Chargers, you were very early on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Justin Herbert, I think we all saw his talent, talented enough to make me a fan of the team. And so you knew all he needed was a head coach and an organization kind of behind him.

Speaker 2 They brought in, obviously, Harbaugh, his culture. We've been talking about culture all day long.
We saw his culture firsthand in Michigan, what they were able to do.

Speaker 2 Him coming back to the NFL, getting this team on track, bringing Jesse Minter over on the defensive side. They've been great all year long.

Speaker 2 So they got all the pieces to not only compete now, but the future is very, very bright for the Chargers.

Speaker 1 All right, let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Ivar at the underscore Scalds. What's that mean? Is that a reference to something? No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I thought that was just like some Icelandic Viking shit.

Speaker 1 Okay, it looks very Viking-y. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact.
But the Vikings are a team of destiny. Sam Donald is the MVP.
KOC is the coach of the year.

Speaker 1 We're going to win on Sunday and take the number one seed and the ba.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to get blown out at home. Skull Vikings.
Hashtag always the bridesmaid. Never the bride.
What's that all about, AJ?

Speaker 16 I don't know. I mean, honestly, I was thinking about this earlier when I saw Sam Darnold and how fun it was in the locker room and how we've championed this guy and how he's revamped his career.

Speaker 16 I hope Sam is enjoying the ride because sometimes it does end in the playoffs pretty quickly.

Speaker 16 So I hope no matter what happens in the playoffs, Sam Darno is still awesome and he's still had a great year.

Speaker 1 That is the crazy thing about the playoffs. Biggest, most important game, most heightened environment, and it's all over tomorrow if we lose.

Speaker 1 A scald is a composer and reciter of poems honoring heroes and their deeds. In this particular case, Ivar was talking about this particular Vikings group of heroes.

Speaker 1 A lot of Vikings fans with a realistic view on things like this or no?

Speaker 1 I'd say there were more than I expected just because the Vikings are potentially going to be the number one seed. But

Speaker 1 it was split between that and like, why aren't we talking about Sam Darnold for MVP? Legit. And he's on Tone's watchers.

Speaker 1 Now, Tone had Joe Burrow on before a lot of other people because of the history we were watching with Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 Becomes first quarterback with eight straight games of something, something, something, forever, forever, better than everybody ever in history. Yeah, 250 yards and three touchdowns.

Speaker 1 And watching him with what Zach Taylor decided to do. Brown goes down at the one yard line, sprains his ankle, light sprain.
He'll be back, they say.

Speaker 1 They had the opportunity to just kneel it out from the one. Now, you would do that, I guess, if you didn't trust the kicker was going to make the kick.

Speaker 1 And he would go on to make a, or miss a 35-yarder, I think, in the next series. But on the one-yard line, right in the middle of the fucking field, like 19 yards, Cade could shank a 19-yarder.

Speaker 1 You think he would be able to go

Speaker 1 straight in. That was very ugly.
And obviously, he thought it was very bad him getting up and walking off but like them choosing to score the next play

Speaker 1 i didn't form that was very confusing i was so confused and it was like all right so one of your guys either thought to himself oh i should go down or was told he should go down and in the process he sprains his ankle and you go you know what this in vain we're gonna score on the next play it doesn't even matter like just i guess you think your kicker is going to miss but if you think he's going to miss a 20 yarder for the middle of the field like you guys aren't going to win any games anyways if that's the person that's kicking for you now he would go on a miss so i guess zach taylor probably be able to say that and the bangles would inevitably win but geez when that decision was being made i was like

Speaker 1 this is the dumbest thing i've seen and i was pulling for the bangles at the time because the colts and all the teams that were lurking were like bangles we need you then sean payton not going for two i don't what do we yeah that was that was weird i didn't fully understand that either and then he came out and said well if we tied it meant we went in there it's like so you think there's going to be a whole nother quarter of joe burrow not scoring at the time I don't a lot of decisions made there at the end of the game where it was like,

Speaker 1 What the fuck is happening? But Bengals win, and uh, they gave a lot of us an opportunity to continue to cheer for our team. So, we appreciate that.

Speaker 1 But that was wild, they got to figure out making kicks, though. Is Money Mac out for the year? Yeah, I think so.
Damn,

Speaker 1 K you doubt of LSU, if you do recall, huge leg, fucking monstrous leg. That's why when it hit that up right, it was so loud.
He hit that thing square. I mean, that was a fucking fool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll see. He got drafted to Cleveland, Yeah.
Yes. And we talked about this cold weather with the

Speaker 1 these college teams. I couldn't imagine LSU dude just showing up in fucking Cleveland and being like, yeah, you got to kick here.
What is this? Oh, it's the worst place ever.

Speaker 1 Not only because of here, but also because where you're going to play. Like everywhere you're going to play is going to suck.
Cincinnati sucks. Cold, windy.
It's on a river as well somehow.

Speaker 1 You're on a lake here. They're on a fucking river.
Then where are you going to go? Pittsburgh. What are they on? Fucking three rivers.
There's three rivers.

Speaker 1 They're fucking on the rivers. And Baltimore's got a fucking bay where where it's coming in off the goddamn Atlantic.
So everywhere you kick is going to be terrible.

Speaker 1 So Cade got kind of baptized in that. Now he's on the Bengals and it's like he has the ability.
He hit a game winner for him last week. And then this week he clanks that one.

Speaker 1 It's like a lot of it's mental, I think, whenever you get in that cold and windy.

Speaker 2 It was a bad day for the Bengals kickers, even of the past. So at halftime in this game, do we play with Shane Graham?

Speaker 1 I know Shane Graham.

Speaker 2 Did he play here or no?

Speaker 2 Here? In Indy? No. Okay, so halftime, they had like a giveaway, pizza giveaway for the entire stadium.
And I think it was three contestants, maybe, and the last one faked an injury.

Speaker 1 Out comes our guy, Shane Craig. No way.
For like

Speaker 2 a 20, maybe 30-yard field goal. Obviously, he's dressed as a civilian.
And boy, it did not go well.

Speaker 1 No way. He missed all of them.
Shanked.

Speaker 1 One more chance.

Speaker 1 One more chance.

Speaker 1 Another Shane. No!

Speaker 2 I know Shane, too. I don't know where I crossed paths with him.
I don't know where it was, but Shane's a good man. Nobody brought this to my attention and I did a little research on it.

Speaker 1 Did you see what happened in Shane? Shane will make the next one. And the one more kick chance gets very loud and it gets uncomfortable because the amount of pressure that gets placed on the kicker.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we feel that every Saturday at College Game Day. How about Jacksonville, Tennessee? Did you see the pregame? Oh, geez.
That was awesome. Oh, my God.
Jacksonville, Tennessee pregame.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. It's in Jacksonville.
Okay, this is they got Jackson Deville,

Speaker 1 also known as Jacks him Deville in a video game taking on Will Levis,

Speaker 1 okay, in a punchout game. That's going to beat Will's ass.
You would think this is in Jacksonville. Look at the crowd.
15 of them going mild at the whole entire thing. They're watching it.

Speaker 1 And guess what happens inevitably?

Speaker 1 You nailed it. Knock out.
Not even a knockdown. Knock out.
Tennessee Titans. How you doing? Keep it moving.
That's in their fucking building.

Speaker 1 Imagine a coach dog walking out and going, what are we doing here? Kidding me? go back in a locker room boys we're not

Speaker 1 don't look up don't look up that's why and i think it was a jack if the end of the video there is right that's a jacksonville cheerleader that was i think fighting for both sides there

Speaker 1 how in the fuck is it even possible for jacks him to lose that's tough they say we want not an option should not be an option yeah it should have been him versus tony

Speaker 1 No, just

Speaker 1 Tony Kahn should have been in there.

Speaker 2 Shit out of Will.

Speaker 1 Should have had no weapons. Will Levis should have not

Speaker 1 even known how to throw. Maybe no arms, no legs, just mat.
Make the motherfucker a mat. And Jax Him just steps.
Maybe it's like, maybe this is what Jax Him does. E-D-R.
The entire time. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 When I saw that, I was like, God damn. And we're going to lose to him this week.

Speaker 1 We're going to lose to that team. Well, it doesn't matter anyways.
For any side. Win or lose.

Speaker 2 Finish strong, boys.

Speaker 1 Island of irrelevancy. They gave up 45 points to the Giants.

Speaker 1 Bounce back. That must win.
Drew Locke, though. Big bounce back.
Was there any overreactions about Drew Locke being the future of the NFL? A couple. Hey, we found our bridge quarterback.
Bridge?

Speaker 1 No, I'm talking about future forever.

Speaker 1 Well, there are a few. Like, hey, him and Malik Neighbors, you do not want to see them the next couple of years.
I've only seen them one time, and they're telling you.

Speaker 1 They fucking can go. All right, let's go to another overreaction, shall we? This one's from Jordan at J MoneyKernes.
This guy's a money guy.

Speaker 1 Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but KOC and MCDC fucking own Matt LaFleur. 3-9 against the Vikes and Lions the last three years.

Speaker 1 Putting on a Guardian cap and letting AJ fuck me up in Oklahoma drill would be less painful than the Packers in the first half of games. Packers are frauds.
Todd, you go through these and pick these.

Speaker 1 You picking a Packers one like that. Wow, what's that all about?

Speaker 1 It was a good overreaction because I wouldn't necessarily say they're frauds, but it is definitely concerning that they seemingly can't really beat the Vikings and the Lions because I don't think every single year the NFC North is going to be getting three teams in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 But I think same deal. You know, young team.
They probably are about a year away. And, you know, they kind of did it themselves.

Speaker 1 Hey, if you, you know, you want to be a contender, their gauntlet, if they were to, like, go to the Super Bowl, oh, boy, is it going to be fucking tough.

Speaker 1 So they kind of did it to themselves, but we'll see. They do.
They just, they start so slow.

Speaker 1 And then a lot of games against these good teams are the situation we saw yesterday where they're down, you know, 13 to 17 points in the fourth quarter with like six minutes left.

Speaker 1 They score two quick touchdowns. They end up, you know, they're down two.
And then

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, you pin it on the defense, but like they had, they have no chance to actually win the game. So we'll see.

Speaker 1 It looked a lot closer than it really was yesterday, but they're still young, and they're still probably about a year to out. About a year out, Age.
That's what I think about the Packers.

Speaker 1 About a year out. About a year out.

Speaker 16 Yeah, they got to figure out

Speaker 16 how to win those big games. Everyone has to learn how to win.
The Packers, they're a good team.

Speaker 16 They know how to win, but you got to find a way to put you over the hump in those big games that really matter.

Speaker 1 I think they're doing it right, though, to be clear. But I do love that the Packers fans,

Speaker 1 one year or one week, ah, then big win happens. It's like,

Speaker 1 wait a minute. Hold on.
And then a lose happens, a loss happens. It's like, every time we play somebody go, we suck.
So

Speaker 1 maybe next year. And then if you guys, you know, win here going forward, holy shit, Jordan Love is way ahead of schedule.
Is it still Toyota thon? Here we go in this entire thing. Yada, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 And then I just think like next year, I think he's Packers here.

Speaker 1 That's why I try to keep it in perspective still is because like Jordan Love still hasn't, I mean, he's he's started like, you know, less than 30 games. Like he's still kind of figuring things out.

Speaker 1 They're in a much better spot than a lot of teams in the league so it's like not colts well you know not

Speaker 1 maybe not i suppose but yeah cults are staring down a nice refresh

Speaker 1 yeah 10 years ayahuasca what's that 10 years refresh oh i was gonna say ayahuasca you just hit a nice little reset on that thing oh yeah

Speaker 1 whole team whole building

Speaker 1 All right, everybody, come on in, shut the doors, put your friends down. Comes in.
We're going to be pumping some stuff in the room. Somebody's coming around with like it's a boom bucks.

Speaker 1 And then you know that thing that's like that puts out fires? Tango, yeah. Tingo one of those just in the indoor facility

Speaker 1 pumping ayahuasca. Boobers care about football even less.

Speaker 1 No. And they already do.
No, somebody's going to be in there. The person's going to push them to like football more

Speaker 1 and care about it all. Yeah.
Maybe your team will try it out. No, we don't need that.
What do you need?

Speaker 1 We need some big boys. We need some beef.
Need some offense alone. That's all we we need.
We just need beef. Drake May's a dog.
Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we?

Speaker 1 This is from Trevor Cash at TCAS176. Hashtag I don't overreact, but

Speaker 1 fuck that. I'm overreacting.
I'm 35. Last time the commanders were this good, I was in diapers learning to walk.
Our Super Bowl window is now.

Speaker 1 Hashtag hail.

Speaker 1 Hail to the commanders.

Speaker 1 Hail

Speaker 1 to the commanders.

Speaker 1 Left hand

Speaker 1 upward of commanders.

Speaker 1 Good for them. They were in the pits of hell.

Speaker 1 Laughing stock of laughing stocks. Cannot even talk about being a fan of the team because the first thing that's going to be brought up is a litany of bad things that have happened to you.

Speaker 1 First thing could be anything. Oh, you're owner of this.
You're owner of that. Your stadium's falling apart.
Your team stinks. You've got rid of this.
You have no name. You have no fucking...

Speaker 1 New ownership comes in. Jayden Daniels is your quarterback.
Scary Terry McLaurin and he get along just fine. Defense is balling.
Cliff Kingsbury, Dan Quinn flip a thing.

Speaker 1 It's like magic happens overnight, seemingly for the watchers. Did you hear the chant last night by any chance? What was it? There was a Josh Harris chant in the stadium last night.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Good for Josh Harris. Deserves it, yeah.
He had to feel so good. Remember, we watched him do an interview there early during preseason.
Did not go well. Handshake.
It was

Speaker 1 high-five handshake. It was weird.

Speaker 2 Damn, this season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like forever.

Speaker 16 That wasn't this.

Speaker 16 Winning helps ever.

Speaker 1 It can't be. It was.

Speaker 1 This is his first year.

Speaker 1 I think it was. And we all said, yeah, commanders would be good.
Obviously, it'll be better on what they were because what they were is like fucking bum. Poop.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, it's like, but Jayden Daniels is doing the same thing C.J. Stroud did last year.
I don't think we're ever going to see that again. And then Dan Quinn with the backwards hat.

Speaker 1 Holy fuck, is this guy found something? Cliff Kingsbury. He doesn't have to worry about anything but calling place.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Now they're dancing. Congrats, Washington.
You guys deserve it. Deserve it.
Boy, man. You guys deserve it.
Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we?

Speaker 1 This is from Darius the Sagittarius at its DJ666. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Oh, a little devil, huh? Okay.

Speaker 1 What's up, Satan? Jesus. Change your name.
Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but

Speaker 1 I still believe. But watching the Broncos

Speaker 1 Bover Bover throw their chances after two actual miracles was almost as heartbreaking as watching Joey B put the Broncos defense and Riley Moss on all fours and give them the Chuck Pagano treatment all game.

Speaker 1 The waffle? What?

Speaker 1 That's what I inferred, yeah. He's talking about the waffle.

Speaker 1 Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 1 Jeez Louise. I'm tired of them Broncos Bover throwing.
I thought that was a nice touch as well. That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Sean Payton and Bo obviously put themselves in a position to make the playoffs still, but with the way they've been able to operate with a $55 million deficit, and Bill said they're free from that next year.

Speaker 1 I don't think they are. I think they get another hit next year.
Yes, they do. From the Russell Wilson deal.

Speaker 1 I think it was a two-year thing, but nonetheless, they're on the right direction that owner waltons they got to feel like they've done a good job over there too yeah new ownership in washington winning new ownership in denver finally winning you know that first couple years of rust didn't work out but now we're ready to roll good for all parties league's values only going like

Speaker 1 we had some good football games great yes we did we needed them we said the shite yeah it's only going to lead to prosperity

Speaker 1 All the bad was going to lead to some good at some point. Have to sit through the rain to see the flowers.
And that's what we did. There's a lot of bad football.
Then we got some great football games.

Speaker 1 No thanks to your team. No thanks to your team.
Pretty good game. 45 points.
I mean,

Speaker 1 playoff implications on the line. It was a pretty good game.
Tough for me to watch. I couldn't stomach it early.
Sure. Let's get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 I can't take it.

Speaker 1 They'll be back.

Speaker 1 Let's go to the next overreaction. That's not an overreaction.

Speaker 1 Sebastian Nelly Fortune

Speaker 1 at Flaming Hamsters. All right.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hashtag I don't want to react, but as a Pats fan, the Josh Allen Bills will win more division crowns than the Tom Brady Patriots heartbreak.

Speaker 1 Flaming Hamsters onto something here, Conman? Flaming Hamsters, sure. Who gives a fuck about the Division Crowns? Okay.

Speaker 1 They can have them. Will they win more than six Super Bowls? I doubt it.
Flaming Hamster wants a home playoff game again. Exactly.
Yeah, don't we? That's what Flaming Hamster wants.

Speaker 1 And so do I. But when we're talking about who gives a shit bowls, the division champion, those fall into the who gives a shit bowl.
Hang a banner. Yeah.
Exactly. Have fun.

Speaker 1 Hang your division title banner because no one gives a fuck about those. Well, the Flaming Hamster says, I want a home playoff game.
I'm sick of this.

Speaker 1 Flaming Hamster was actually at the game. Where are your fans, Chin, fourth quarter? They're channeling Fire Mayo.
What? No. Fire Mayo.
No, Fire Mayo. Yes, they were.
Crafts actually shot the windows.

Speaker 1 He said, turn John Bon Jovi up. Turn his shit.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up. That was happening.
You want to hear it? I want to hear it. A lot of booze.

Speaker 1 A lot of empty seats.

Speaker 1 And a lot of fire mayo changes. What if the crafts are actually pumping that in? Push it.
Do it. Turn it louder.

Speaker 1 That would support my theory that I'm pretty sure isn't that theory. All right, let's go.
Let's go to the next overreaction. You know what he's talking about? I don't.

Speaker 1 You do know what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 I don't want to know what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you do. Let's go to the next overreaction.
He's from Andrew Shockley.

Speaker 1 Who is the Pittsburgh news guy? Andrew Shocky. Yes.

Speaker 1 Not to be confused with Andrew Shockley at the real Shockley. Hashtag I don't want to overreact.
But the Giants are a doomed franchise.

Speaker 1 All they had to do was lose two games to finish the season and get the number one pick.

Speaker 1 All they had to do was lose, which they become pretty fucking good at, and they couldn't even do that properly. Fire

Speaker 1 John Moore.

Speaker 1 The owner's not fireable. He's not.

Speaker 1 But this particular owner might be on the look on the hunt to fire some people, especially if we continue to show that Hard knocks clip where he said, if Saquon Barkley was to go to the Philadelphia Eagles, it'd be really hard for me to sleep at night.

Speaker 1 What do you think this guy's heart palpitations are like every single Sunday whenever he has to open his phone or he gets a text from somebody and says, You see, Saquon just went for another 200 fucking yards today?

Speaker 1 Hey, do you see the Eagles are still in the lead in the NFC East? Hey, you see, the Eagles are fucking favored to go.

Speaker 1 Saquon's MVP.

Speaker 1 Joe Morrow's like, I hate this place.

Speaker 1 Joe Shane, though, Dayball got another opportunity. That's right.
One more year.

Speaker 2 Wouldn't mean another game or another

Speaker 1 year. One more year.
One more year.

Speaker 1 One more year. Bruce Brown, is that how everybody feels about Giants fandom?

Speaker 19 Yeah, I mean, the backlash to winning is loud. I do think that Joe Shane and Dayball both do stay into next year.
And, you know, I'm just enjoying the hope that we do have Malik Neighbors.

Speaker 19 We got Tyrone Tracy, some nice young pieces. Obviously,

Speaker 19 first priority above everything else is that we got to go get a quarterback. It felt like it was going to be Shador or Cam Ward going into this weekend.
Now, who fucking knows?

Speaker 19 So, you know, time will tell. I believe that Joe Shane will figure out the quarterback position, and it will be much better next year.

Speaker 1 He will figure out the quarterback position. He's got a gem in the waiting.
He's got the apple of his eye. He's got Carson Beck at number 10.

Speaker 1 Oh, I didn't think about Carson Beck because he was being talked about as maybe top five going into the season. He has an injury now, obviously, on the elbow, which is a big part of the whole thing.

Speaker 1 He'll be supporting the dogs throughout, but he is declaring for the NFL. Maybe Carson Beck is the Giants next.
He just screams New York Giant quarterback.

Speaker 19 Maybe we go up to Conada. I get Curtis Rourke.

Speaker 1 Paul.

Speaker 19 Nice fit in his life.

Speaker 1 You're talking about Kid Conada's little brother. Kid Connada.
Curtis Rourke. Straight up to one.
Sexy Dexy, three first and a second. Come on up.

Speaker 1 So you're negotiating deals as the number one overall pick, aren't you? Yep. Raiders can go Max Crosby, two firsts, two twos.
Come on up.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're just letting you're just floating some things, just ideas. Just if you, I mean, you want a franchise QB? You want the future? Do you want to be able to win in the the league? Sure.

Speaker 1 Come to the table. The Colts going to number one after Peyton Manning's run and getting, you know, luck.
And now the Patriots ended up at number one after getting their franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 It makes you wonder, how do these teams that win all the time always seem to have things go their way? That's how it works.

Speaker 1 Colts need one of those. We need to somehow just fall to three.
Well, you went to four.

Speaker 1 But I'm saying we need to get back down there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Pats are the only team guaranteed to have a top five pick.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So we're in it, gentlemen. We are

Speaker 1 back. If we get the number one pick,

Speaker 1 we can trade back a couple times. The amount of picks you could get for that number one overall.
Oh, my God. Especially because the teams that need a quarterback, like there are four teams.

Speaker 1 You might be able to get two number ones from this year, one number one from next year because you're going to swap with somebody. Let's get an extra one.

Speaker 1 And then maybe one from next year just to get up there. If people get desperate enough, that's how much the number one overall pick is worth.
So you can really improve your team quickly.

Speaker 1 You think about the Houston Texans did

Speaker 1 when they go back to back that high up in there it's like you can flip your team if you make and you look at the lions i mean i know the penne draft class didn't turn them around immediately but you get a penne or another dog offensive lineman oh yeah in the first 20 picks you got a chance it changes everything and they didn't have you know like that team didn't have the rookie qb contract and the most cap space in the league like we do so it's like we can do that with the draft and we can do it with free agency it's just we'll see what happens

Speaker 1 there is real hope if nobody wants to to come up and get one of these quarterbacks, there is a chance that that happens, although that hasn't been the case as of late.

Speaker 1 Now everybody thinks every quarterback is going to be great, especially with his last rookie class. I mean, you look at Jaden doing well, Drake doing well.
Bo has done well.

Speaker 1 Pennex, we think, is going to be a guy there. Caleb, I mean, he's in the middle of Upper Chicago.
He's in the middle of Upper Interchico. Plus, the Shader, Dion,

Speaker 1 press tour that's about to happen. I think we've already saw the start of it.
What did Dion? Dion put a tweet out calling people idiots. What was he calling people idiots for? What happened?

Speaker 1 For picking them in the bowl game?

Speaker 1 No, I picked them. And

Speaker 1 I did too.

Speaker 1 I guess BYU was the right answer there. They super mature.

Speaker 2 And we're not happy with the announcements from that game.

Speaker 1 I know that. Who wasn't? BYU folks?

Speaker 2 A lot of people just in general. Oh, you guys are sucking off Colorado the whole time to get an ass kicked.

Speaker 1 Well, I saw Shador throw a touchdown to Travis, and it was they were down 28 maybe at the time.

Speaker 1 It wasn't. And it got posted on

Speaker 1 all the socials. I was like, like, oh, Travis Hunter.
It's why it's like, you are asking for people to hate these people. You are asking for people to hate Travis and Shador in this entire thing.

Speaker 1 They did get their asses beat by BYU, but what they did to Colorado, you cannot understate. I mean, flipped an entire program

Speaker 1 around.

Speaker 1 Did you hear Sherman talk about Travis and Shador going into the NFL?

Speaker 2 Oh, how they would dominate? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He thinks they're already pros, basically. Now, will he be able to build up enough of a team to really have success over there? Priming him to hold the positions.
We shall see. It's still very early.

Speaker 1 Let's go to another overreaction, shall we? This is Logan Epley at Logan underscore Epley. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact.
But the Colts are done. I'm going to get rid of everyone.

Speaker 1 And I mean everyone. Stinking.
That's all I was doing. Ballard, A.R., J.T., Hale, even Earth.

Speaker 1 Get them all going.

Speaker 1 I'd prefer to watch a CFP jingle on repeat for a month straight rather than watch another Colts game. Hashtag sell a team.
Logan, you said it, brother.

Speaker 1 Foxy, can you please rhyme that beautiful CFP footage? We're

Speaker 1 One through four, get a first round by

Speaker 1 five to eight, host nine to twelve.

Speaker 1 Winners move on, and the crowds are

Speaker 1 quarterfinals. New Year six,

Speaker 1 it's a part here. Faded in bases

Speaker 1 favorite team. Somebody new bursting on the scene.
We're mixing things up. It's about time.

Speaker 1 Both schools get a shot to shine. It's more games and a lot more fun.
Starting with 12, counting down to one. That's how we crowned a CFP national champion.

Speaker 1 You're right. Holy fuck.
That was a great overreaction. Have we asked Marty? Did he record that first time? No flubs? Marty is not singing that.
That was.

Speaker 1 No, that was recorded by a couple boys down there in Nashville.

Speaker 1 The only reason why I know that is because they have sent messages saying, hey, thanks for highlighting the song we pieced together down there. And I was like, no problem.

Speaker 1 Stapleton? No, Stapleton was not party. I think songwriters behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 As long as it was in Nashville, we're good.

Speaker 1 It was in Nashville, I do believe. These people have cut their teeth down to catch him.
He's good to write a song.

Speaker 1 We're mixing things up. It's about time.

Speaker 1 More schools get a shot to shine. A lot of the literature are school shot shot.
You know what I mean? More games and a lot more fun. What are we starting with, H?

Speaker 1 I don't know. 12.
What son of a bitch? 12. That thing is days away from the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 19 Say the number.

Speaker 16 Starting with 12, counting down to one? Yeah, bro.

Speaker 16 I'm almost immune to that video. I've seen it so many times.
It's like it's not even.

Speaker 1 You don't build up antibodies to something you love. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 This is Alabama news at owl underscore news. Hashtag I don't overreact.
But the Bengals are the scariest team in the NFL right now.

Speaker 1 Buffalo Beatles have to be shitting their pants at the thought of playing the Bengals in the first round of the playoffs. I'll tell you, Joey B is

Speaker 1 unbelievable. I will say,

Speaker 1 Zach Taylor Gray worked over there. Sure.
He made some decisions in that game. Somebody who was pulling for the Bengals while watching that game, going, what the fuck is this guy doing?

Speaker 1 What is this guy? Why are we, what is going on here? And obviously, you have the belief in Joe Burrow that he's going to be able to figure it out. And he did.
And they did. And they get a huge win.

Speaker 1 But man, they made it harder on themselves than they needed it to be. They made it a lot harder on themselves than they needed it to be.
That team's ready to roll, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, very questionable coaching decision. We've seen some of that with the Bills this year as well.
But I wouldn't be. I'm the Buffalo Bills with what they have right now.

Speaker 2 I would not be scared to play anyone going to playoffs.

Speaker 1 Me neither. All right, let's get the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 We'll be back on on thursday we'll be live from uh the rose bowl 5 p.m eastern on espn2 on wednesday so honored to be a part of that pumped hell yeah

Speaker 1 you think he's gonna be potting the whole time if ohio state doesn't play great without a doubt better be or he's not a true fan yeah they're gonna be all right they'll be all right i'm not worried are you gonna be all right though is what we're wondering oh yeah it's gonna be great great day great night yeah you were doing some potting though down there in georgia i was doing a little bit of potting remember yeah remember that you little pot and your car got broken into and then you're patting all over the place and it's all that we love it and then against tennessee there was a pass breakup you remember him celebrating a pass i i i i loved i'm not gonna lie i loved that from aj me too ohio state i've never seen that bias me neither i was i was pumped to watch him get excited cool big pass breakup and aj goes oh you know like he got like genuine i saw like in his song like oh AJ's very fucking pumped for this Ohio State Buckeye team, as you should be.

Speaker 1 He put an ass beating down on that Tennessee vote.

Speaker 1 And just like what happened after they lose to Michigan and they go play Georgia, they played their best ball against Georgia. Free, confident, swagged out all over the place.

Speaker 1 They did the same against Tennessee. Can they carry that into the Robo? Rose Bowl.
And in Oregon, they've just been waiting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's about time.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe their school gets a shot to shine down there.

Speaker 1 It's a big old game and a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 And there's two of them. There's only going to be one.
Bingo. And that's how

Speaker 1 crown

Speaker 1 CFP Rosebull champion.

Speaker 1 And

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All right, be a friend, tell a friend, something nice might change your life. We're going to sing together.

Speaker 1 Boys, let's enjoy these next couple of days.

Speaker 1 Yes, oh, yeah. Team on me, team on three, one, two, three.

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