PMS 2.0 1269 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 17 Recap, Adam Schefter, Bill Belichick, JJ Watt, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this magical overreaction Monday, December 30th, 2024. This program starts now.
Football! It is amazing, and obviously the college football playoffs pick right back up on this beautiful week of football mattering. Now, there is a football game tonight to wrap up week 17 of the NFL schedule, and it means absolutely nothing.
That is just a matter of fact. The Lions are taking on the Niners, and looking ahead to this season, you would think that this would be a showcase, obviously a rematch from last year's playoffs between these two teams, two teams that are going to be vying for the number one overall seed.
So let's put them on Monday night football. It going to be great i don't blame them and obviously the niner season has gone how it's gone and now the lions have worked themselves into a point where their second to last game doesn't matter now for a couple teams their last game does not matter there's already been you know a number one seed locked in in the afc the kansas city chiefs and there's been a number two seed locked in in the nfc the philadelphia and A.J.
Brown came out and said one half of the hammer, Cowboys AP tone. That he was going to rest up, heal up, and get ready for it.
Okay, so A.J. Brown, see, you can count me out for week 18, okay, if we're already going to be locked in to a number two overall seed.
The number one overall seed on the NFC side will be decided next week, whenever the Vikings and Lions do battle. So, if you think about the season shaping up, we got the number one seed on the AFC side.
We got six AFC playoff spots wide open. And then on the NFC side, damn near the same thing except for the number one seed still up for grabs.
And there's going to be a team that's going to have 13 or 14 wins that is going to be a number five seed playing in super wild card weekend on the

NFC side. Magic is on the horizon.
Awards season is right around the corner. Let's go to the talks

at the table. At Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.
Con man, your team stinks. Yeah, but still a lot

to play for. You know, number one overall.
See, we're talking about the playoffs. Cool.
I understand

we all want to win the Super Bowl. There's a heated race for the number one overall pick that

concludes this upcoming Sunday. And obviously, massive news this weekend was the Patriots losing on Saturday, 40-7, and the Giants winning, moving the Patriots to that number one option, which is huge.
I mean, look, we knew this year for New England was kind of a wash. We knew it was a bridge year, but did we know it was going to be a number one overall pick competition? You know, but here we are.
And we love the spot we're in. And I think everyone in New England is hoping we lose once again on Sunday and see what happens in this week because a lot is going to happen.
I heard there were some boo birds potentially happening up there in New England. There were some chants happening in the fourth quarter up there in New England.
And Drake May, after an early scare for a concussion on the sideline there, comes back and plays, has some magical plays. I think everybody, which is weird because they are 3-13 and they got their shit pushed here by the Los Angeles Chargers in a big, big way at home up in Foxborough across the country.
10 a.m. kick for the Chargers.
10 a.m. local time kick in the cold.
They get their absolute asses handed to them. But there is a lot of, you know, content, we'll say, or contempt from the Patriots fans.
And now that's only opening up the rumor mill even more. What do the Patriots look like going forward? Everybody assumes and knows that Drake May is a guy, but will they be able to figure everything else out? And for the Chargers' sake, geez louise.
Let's go to nine-year NFL vet, host of Everything DB, good D, bad D, this Los Angeles Chargers. This year one of Jim Harbaugh going on a run, that's the reason why the Patriots are in the position that they're in right now is because Harbaugh won up there and beat the hell out of them.
And now, the Chargers, congratulations to the Chargers. Awesome.
Locked up a playoff spot one year with Jim Harbaugh. What are the realistic expectations for this team as they hit the playoffs, you think, D-Bucks? I mean, look, Dan O called it.
You know, he saw it with the Chargers. A couple other people saw it too.
But, look, you bring Jim Harbaugh in, and in a calendar year, he brought the Michigan Wolverines undefeated season, national championship. We were on the field when they did it.
And then he comes into the NFL and gets this team into the playoffs in year one. We saw it with Justin Herbert.
You know, he broke the record for most pass yards in his first five years, but we just saw it at the top. He had to change offensive coordinators, had to change head coaches a couple times.
You bring in hardball and they start playing their hardball football defensively, offensively, and now they're in a position where they can compete. Once you get in the dance, anybody can beat anybody.
When you have a quarterback, especially, you can go up and you like your chances against any team. Absolutely, and there's weapons on that team and everything like that.
Ladd, McConkie, and Justin Herbert. What a Ladd.
They're literally just like this. It almost feels like the way Burrow and Chase feel.
Cincinnati Bengals get another massive win, and they are still lurking for that last AFC playoff spot. Let's go back to the NFC, the number one seed race.
The Vikings are in that because of a magical comeback win over the Green Bay Packers. Let's go to at Ty Schmidt, one half of the toxic table.
What does this mean about the Packers, buddy? I saw you were a little bummed out, it seems like, about it. No don't think bummed out.
I mean, I think it's what we said a couple weeks ago. They're probably a year away, a year or two years away.
It just, you know, hey, you've got to beat the good teams if you want to win a Super Bowl against the Eagles, the Vikings, and the Lions. They're a combined 0-5, so that's not great going into the playoffs, and now they slide down to the 7th seed.
Probably going to have to go to Philly in the first round it just you know you can't start slow against these good teams like this is it's what they did both Vikings games and against the Lions you can't let teams that that good get out to big leads and then have to rely on you know scoring 17 points in the fourth quarter I mean they gave it their best shot you know they came back and and made it seem a lot closer than it actually was. But, I mean, the Packers are still probably a year away.
So, I'm not too upset about it. And in all due respect, the teams you just mentioned, McGonough and 5-2, very good football teams.
This Vikings team is awesome. They're fun to watch.
Unbelievable. They have a great top five defense, obviously, with B-Flow over there.
People are saying that he's going to become a head coach. And Sam Darnold having his rebirth in Minnesota is so beautiful.
I don't know if you got a chance to see the clip from the locker room after a big-time win. They're lifting Sam up like he's Rudy.
And look at Kevin O'Connor. It's a movie scene.
The head coach looking over. Happy for my guy right there.
You put some music over that, like some cinematic, dramatic music there with Kevinvin o'connell looking over at his guy they counted him out they said he stunk he was in new york he was in carolina then he was in san francisco this guy's never going to be great now this is what it's all about his team lifting him up on their shoulders you think that team didn't just send a message to everybody in that building like hey we've been hearing the chatter about who's our quarterback next year this is our guy sam donald where he is done with kevin o'connell and his minnesota vikings team this year nothing short of spectacular and awesome and they could be the number one seed in the nfc their their top 10 or i'm sorry their first round draft pick jj mccarthy quarterback gets hurt they let her cousins go because the deal is going to be too big. They wouldn't be able to afford him.
Kevin O'Connell had like five different quarterbacks last year. The football gods were seemingly working against the Minnesota Vikings for the last two football seasons.
And now, now, they have 14 wins and they're about to be battling for the number one overall seed. Can't say enough good things about everything taking place in Minnesota.
Obviously, it starts with the quarterback, in my opinion. But the culture, you know, it's going to be a lot of head coaches hired, you know, this up-and-coming cycle like it is every year.
Hit an absolute home run with Kevin O'Connell with the culture that he set, obviously on the offensive side of the ball. Then you hire Brian Flores, what he's been able to do with the defense.
And then Sam Darnold, we know skill set matters, talent matters. He was drafted at the top of the draft when he came out number three overall.
Couldn't figure it out in New York. Moved on to a few different places.
I think Ben and Sam Fran was huge for him as well. But then getting into this system with these playmakers around him, he has been phenomenal from week one to now.
Now, like you said, in the chance to have a number one seed, I think their win total coming into the season was like, what, six, six and a half, something like that, so you didn't expect much. Drafted J.J.
McCarthy in the first round. Definitely going to have to make a decision, but seeing that post-game locker room with how this team, how this organization, how this city I'm sure now feels about Sam Darnold, it's going to be hard to move on from 14 going forward, but they've got a lot of unfinished business right now this year.
They're going to have to hope that Sam Darnold gives a think oh yeah with what sam donald has been able to accomplish and i'm not saying that sam donald won't do that okay i think there's a chance that sam donald's been around the block a couple different times finds his home and says wow this is much better than any other experience i've had in any other building that i've played for obviously i'm playing my best ball but if somebody offers them 45 million 50 million a year i mean what the hell yeah that's going to be tough to say no to are the vikings going to be able to do that after paying justin jefferson jordan addison is going to have to get paid as well the way the defense is playing i'm sure there's going to have to be money allocated to different people over there so it's like that's a huge decision for the vikings and hopefully they'll be able to come together and keep that it's crazy yeah in minnesota incredible because he, I mean, so much vindication, I assume, Sam. So much.

Just acting. They'll be able to come together and keep that in Minnesota.
Because he, I mean, so much vindication, I assume, Sam.

So much.

Just after you're the guy, you're the guy, you're the guy, you're the guy, you're the

guy, you're the guy.

He was drafted, what, like 20 or something?

I think he was like very young.

No, three.

No, no, 20 years old.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think he was like 20 years old or something like that.

Like, this is the guy.

New York, too.

So that, everything that comes with that.

Then bad.

Bad, bad. Gase.
Bad, bad. Everything under that umbrella.
The worst. The worst possible situation.
The more we learn. Yes.
The more we learn about the Jets, looking back on situations going, holy. There's 12-year-olds.
Oh, my. Yeah.
We're not going to get into it. You're all heartbreaking.
He's a kid. He's got a lot of time to figure out.
A lot of time. Yes, he certainly does.
But Sam Darnold bouncing around, especially in the offseason with the training, getting better, getting better, staying focused, being like, my time will come, my time will come, my time will come. Signing a one-year, $10 million deal with the Minnesota Vikings, that's a prove-it deal.
That's probably the last one that's coming if it doesn't work out the way it does. And instead, now they're battling for the number one seed in the entire NFC, and he's being hoisted up on shoulders.
Now, I say they're battling for the number one seed, the NFC. Let's go ahead and listen to Steve Kornacki from NBC.
This guy, hey. The GOAT.
So good. So good.
So good. Here's Kornacki last night talking about the number one seed in the NFC situation.
The last time the Vikings were the NFC number one a quarter century ago. And in the half century, they've been doing playoff seeding.
The Lions have never been number one. Now, by holding off the Packers, the Vikings do for the moment move into that number one spot.
But you see, even with that, only a 39% chance of staying there. That's because Detroit still has to play the Niners tomorrow.
And no matter what happens in that game, next week, as you say, is for all the marbles. Vikings will be going to Detroit.
So Detroit is favored because of that. And the stakes here doubly high.
This won't just be for the one seed, for the bye, for home field. But again, because they're from the same division, whoever doesn't win next week is going to tumble all the way to the fifth seed and will make the playoffs as a wildcard team, potentially looking at a 14-win wildcard team.
Have we ever seen that before? The 99 Titans, they were 13-3. This might be a first that we're looking at.
Okay, so Kornacki obviously dug out. No questions asked.
And the reason why it doesn't matter is because they would both end up 14-3. If the Lions were to lose to the Niners tonight, they'd be 13-3.
The Vikings sitting at 14-2. If the Lions were to beat the Vikings next week, they would both be 14-3.
And it would be a clean sweep, Lions, of the Vikings on the season. Because they already beat them once already this season.
So you're talking about some massive stakes in the NFC North next Sunday night. Got flexed in, right? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Here we go.
Here we go. Hey, last week of the year in Detroit for the one seed for the division.
Doesn't get any better than this, boys. Let's go.
You only get one shot. Don't miss your chance to blow.
Opportunity comes up in a lifetime. Is that three years in a row, Lions, or Sunday night last week of the year? Yeah, because those Packers went two years ago.
Maybe not last year, but two of the last few years, definitely. And that's Motor City football.
Exactly. That's MCDC football.
Times have changed, man. It's so awesome to see.
It could be a five seed, though, having a team. That's all right.
Got to beat who's in front of you. Down in Tampa? Oh, no.
Sam Darnold's teammate. Oh, no.
You don't want the red hot Baker Mayfield. Yeah, a lot of people are doing the comparisons to the Carolina Panthers quarterback room to what they used to do with that Washington.
Butch? What was that team? The Washington. What year was it? You said it last week.
It was Shanahan. Oh, historically speaking, they were the Washington Redskins.
Oh, yeah. The Washington Redskins team.
Historically speaking. Whenever they had all those coaches in there, people were calling that Carolina quarterback room the same thing.
Like, hey, all the rebirths that are happening around the NFL for these older quarterbacks past their first contract trying to figure it out. Are we bus? Are we middle of the road? Or are we potentially good quarterbacks? They were all basically dying in Carolina at one point.
David Tepper said, you know, give me all these guys. Weren't able to figure it out with any of them.
But now they are able to go elsewhere and do it. Bryce Young, I still think, is going to be great.
Now let's go to the AFC side. Kornacki had another breakdown on the AFC side about the No.
7 overall seed, which is obviously the last and final wildcard weekend slot on the AFC side of things. Yeah, three teams going for that final spot.
Denver now sits in it. Here's the playoff checklist for each of these teams.
Look, the Broncos, if they could have just beaten Cincinnati yesterday, that would have been enough. They would have clinched.
Instead, they'd miss. Next week, they host Kansas City.
Are the Chiefs resting starters? The Broncos, if they win that game, checkmark. They're in the playoffs.
That's it. But if the Broncos lose next week, look, it's a checkmark for both the Dolphins and for the Bengals.
And look how wide open the door would be for the Dolphins. They would then just need to beat the Jets, and it would be the Dolphins making the playoffs.
From the Bengals' standpoint, they need Miami to lose next week on top of Denver. If both of those things happen, no small order here, but Cincinnati just has to beat Pittsburgh, do all of those things.
The Bengals would end the year on a five-game winning streak, would sneak into the playoffs, and would go to Buffalo against a Bills team that would probably rather play someone else. Okay, so, I mean, Kornacki's cooking, but there's so many different scenarios here for this No.
7 overall seed in the AFC playoff picture. Still lurking.
Miami Dolami dolphins go into the cold and get a big time win let's go to one half of the hammer down cowboys bubble gumpy now lurking dolphins gumpy uh i don't think many people watch the game but snoop huntley had an all-time performance and i'm not i'm not exaggerating he scored he ran for one he was throwing it all over i think he only had a few incompletions and then our defense has been lights out the whole second half of the year carl wentz just got to give us a chance on sunday to get it listen carl wentz we don't know if he's playing right we have no clue what has been announced craig said carl wentz for a half and then maybe their other guy for the second half oh so pat so Patrick Mahomes won't even pull Cam Ward. He'll just play none of the game? Well, he might ruin football if he does that, according to some people.
I didn't love that everybody was just – the fact that he played, I was pretty pumped up that Cam Ward was playing in that particular game. Pop-Tart Bowl was awesome.
Yeah, Pop-Tart Bowl is going to be awesome. Per usual.
Matt Campbell leads the Iowa State Cyclones to the first ever 11-win season in the history of Iowa State or whatever. First ever 10-win season, I think, in the history of Iowa State.
And the Pop-Tart obviously had to go. Did you see the frosted strawberry off in the back? Yeah, back.
Rose from the dead. Kind of scared to get in between the smoke, you know.
And once you die, I guess you don't want to to die again it was very high on top of the stadium stood right behind the smoke though the camera angle so couldn't get a good glimpse but we got the point pop tarts bowl obviously bringing a lot of passion now it's awesome it's awesome and you can eat this by the way you can eat this yeah that thing was just a live right on top rocco beck to coach campbell and the boys obviously start hassing it yep that's a bull season's but you know what you didn't see pat you didn't see an unfrosted pop-tart every popped out there was frosted covered with delicious frosting and ice room yeah i didn't even think about how the pop-tarts bowl decided not to ruin it for anybody and put the non-frosted pop-tarts in there but nonetheless cam ward could have went back went back in down one fourth quarter. Okay? He's staying over there on the sideline.
How long has he been staying over there for? What, about an hour and 15 minutes? Could just hop back in there. Right in there.
Just got to do one drive down the field. What are we even talking about? Quit on his teammates, Pat.
Damn it. I understand why people are saying that.
I don't. Now, granted, I think somebody brought it up last week on the program about like, are Shador and Travis going to play the entire game? I think somebody brought it up.
I forget who it was. That was Joe Fortenbaugh's angle because he was taking Colorado first half BYU full game.
On ESPN Bet Live or whatever it was. Yes.
Yes, because first half of the BYU full game, he ends up hitting that, by the way. Not the first half, but the full game BYU dominating performance.
Absolutely dominating performance. We were wrong, obviously, up on the game they said, other than Coach Lee Corso.
But he presented the idea that Shador and Travis and everybody would only play for one half, and then everybody would play for the second half. And I remember thinking, why would they do that? Why would that be the case? That was not the case for Colorado.
It was the case for Cam Ward. I don't know if this is going to become the new normal.
I think there is a chance that some of the NIL bonus money and deals that have been signed, I think the bowl game is a part of that. There's an incentive to play in bowl games.
So I think start however many games, too. I think that is a part of some of these deals that have been written.
Now, what do these deals mean April 8th when the revenue share comes in and there's a whole ruling and everything? I don't know, but I think that is why we saw some people play. And then, obviously, Prime getting the...
Shout out, by the way. Shout out.
Shout out. Shout out.
Close. Bill McCombs called me these.
Bill? Bill McCombs called me these. I've been seeing that shoe a lot.
It's a nice shoe? Yeah, you know, I saw different colors. Makes me feel athletic.
You know, makes me feel real. Great shoe.
Is that the shoe they put in the grinder in Jumanji? You know, I wish I had that for you. I don't have it either.
I've been watching the Grinch show. You know, when they put the Christmas wrapper, the boom, when people going downrey won.
Jim Carrey won. Jim Carrey won.
Anyways, Prime got insurance for all the guys. Yes.
Love that. Which I think Coach Saban has told us about that process of insuring his guys so they would play and the process of it all and Colorado fronting the bill for the insurance for the guys to play is cool.
Expensive. But I think very much so.
Oh, yeah. It's a whole money grab for those insurance companies.
Yeah, I had to get one because I was franchise tagged. And what would have to happen for? So I would have needed to be on a football field practicing, and somehow my leg gets sawed off.
Just sawed off somehow. Chris Angel comes through.
Yes, and takes my leg off and puts it on somebody else's body. And then all of a sudden I can get the $10 million or whatever it was it was Lloyd's London contract signed it because I was just thought I was supposed to mm-hmm like franchise tag you get insurance sure people say you shouldn't shoot I like yours you only go one year payment here yeah but I'm be a millionaire that ain't gonna last forever okay mr.
Macintosh you're saying blank this is a whole new world you're gonna you're gonna want to get insurance here's the people you want to get to. This is how you want to sign up for it.
This is how much it costs. 50, it was like 40 grand or something like that.
35 grand. 35, 40 grand.
Would have got like 10 million, but that contract's pretty thick. Yeah.
And you start rolling into page like 35, 40. It's like, how do I get this money? You don't.
You don't, actually. Yeah, thanks for actually just.
Thanks for the premium. But if you can never kick a ball again, which is kind of what it was, we got your back.
Thank you so much. But for Travis Hunter, Shador, a lot on the line for them to play there, especially if they're projected top five picks in its entirety, which I saw he's wearing New York Giants cleats.
Yeah, with the logo and everything. The Giants had number one overall pick.

They don't anymore because they got a big win over the Colts.

Colts have been eliminated from playoff contention.

They're the only ones that went into the weekend lurking,

knew they had an opportunity to still make the playoffs and end up losing.

And they lost to the New York Giants football team,

and a lot of people didn't know they were still playing football over there,

but I'll let you know.

Drew Locke might be a guy. What it might be.
Drew Locke might be a guy. Five touches? Him and neighbors.
Is that a tag team of the future over there? Yes. The New York Football Giants.
It looked like it. It certainly looked like it.
And remember, while this game's happening, and you're watching these highlights, the Indianapolis Colts still very much in it. All they would have to do is, you know, just win out against a New York Giants team.
They already got a win in MetLife against the New York Jets. They, going into this game, had more wins in this stadium than the team they were playing against.
But Drew Locke put that thing on. And when Drew Locke gets hot, it's unstoppable.
Joe Flacco did everything he could. There was a couple turnovers, obviously.
There was a couple touchdowns that were thrown. We're in it.
But inevitably, 45 points. 45.
45 points. The Giants total? No, for the one team, the New York football Giants.
Okay. They scored 45 points.
Yikes. In a game you needed to win.
In fact, the Giants were the only dog to win yesterday. Okay.
The only? The only? Well, it was 14-1 and 13-2. The favorites win yesterday.
Okay, so. The only? Well,

it was 14-1 and 13-2. The

favorites were yesterday. The

Titans and Jags were basically

a pick-em, so whichever book you looked at.

But yeah, let's just say the Colts were

the only favorite to lose.

Yeah, and it was all three phases

of the Indianapolis Colts, and that

led to

me typing something up on X.

Sure. Okay?

And the only reason why I felt obligated to put this particular message out is because the things that people were saying to me as I was observing and reporting on the Indianapolis Colts is somebody that has been, you know, in the city, obviously, at all the games, like two hours before games start, watching everything how it goes. Because I don't know any of these guys on this team, really.
I don't know anyone. No relationship with them.
Now, my fault probably, but also whenever Jonathan Taylor did what he did last year to start training camp as our superstar and our best player, and he was just pot with a hoodie on for the first two and a half weeks of Shane Steichen and Anthony Richardson trying to set a brand new culture, a culture that is only existent because all the pillars that are still on the team now earn the team, the number four overall pick because how bad they were. Okay.
So whenever that whole thing starts, I have to point out the fact like, Hey, this would be a lot easier if you just didn't do this and kind of set precedent and showcase it. This is how it is.
Inevitably it was right. Business move.
Chris Ballard, Jim Ir jonathan taylor and that particular action while they're trying to build a brand new culture in there with a new head coach and a new quarterback and everything and i think from that moment the way i spoke about it kind of you know hey that guy is not one of us type thing sweet all good i actually kind of expected i understand that completely but i feel like i was very optimistic about this team for a very long time. And every microphone that I could find, I would talk about the Indianapolis Colts having a win, the Indianapolis Colts having a great team.
I would show up at every single game. Shit, I fucking named the stadium.
I mean, that is. And then I'm a part of all their shit, pretty much.
All of the Colts stuff. Very much proud of that fact, too.
I have a lot of friends in that building, obviously, that have been there a long time. The OGs that I referenced, I would like to see this team get good for them.
But the players just, like, have never won. This group of players has never won here.
Haven't won the AFC South in 10 years. Think about how good the AFC South has been for the last 10 years.
Great. Powerhouse.
Top to win. One of the best.
But all these guys that are – not all these guys. Most of these guys that are on this team have been here for the entirety of it.
Chris Ballard, who I think is a good man, okay? He's a very good man. Great hair, great accent.
He always says, I trust our guys. I trust our guys.
He's paid all these guys that have been here for a long time. They still have never won.
And then, you know, the whole thing starts happening with me pointing out the tapping out thing of a quarterback on a third down in a red zone in a game that you need to win and he says i was tired that's all and it's like inside voices don't need to say that the fact that you think you could say that leads me to believe that you literally have no awareness of any repercussions of anything there's no accountability anywhere so obviously it was bummer to hear anthie richardson a man who has so much potential mean, you're talking about being able to throw, what, 62 yards off his back foot like this into a bucket, being able to run 4'5", 4'4", 260 pounds. Might be 290 right now.
Who knows whatever. He is immensely gifted.
I mean, it is bananas to think about how great he is. But then you start putting pieces together, start watching things.
You see the tap out. That's not the only time he's tapped out of a game with no problems happened in his first year too if you watch his first five games that he played there's like two three different times where he's off the field and then what was the what happened medically nothing he's just he's back practice wednesday it was like well what happened he was sore and then this week it was being described as he's back in his foot or sore which is why he's not practicing and it's like okay it turns out his back spasms so we hope he's okay but that one little tap out thing was an indicator of how the entire culture in that building is if your franchise quarterback thinks it's all right just to be like nope I don't want to be on the field if he thinks it's okay to just not work hard which was the reports that came out immediately after the benching is like he started preparing a lot better he became the guy who was the first one in he started becoming a professional after the benching the ogs had to go talk to him it's like but what had been happening before that moment and then obviously my face gets used as like uh hey this guy's an enemy of the colts what the national media saying no everything i said about your team was right and everything i said about your locker room was right and you have won nothing you have won absolutely nothing i was just a punter I very much understand that I saw a lot of people saying this guy's just a punter well if I'm just a punter I don't know the view on 10 million views or something like that on that thing just a punter writes up pretty fucking good I guess and basically summarizes how a lot of these Colts fans feel about this particular era of this team there's no accountability they're seemingly just not really aware of anything that's going on, and they don't seem to give a fuck at all about the Indianapolis Colts.
I understand it's a business. I understand it's a profession, but I just felt like I had to get off my chest.
Some people said, you know, is this how long does this take? It does take weeks. You start writing this or whatever.
It was like, no, no, that came together pretty quickly. That came together pretty quickly, about 20 minutes or so or so just because it was all natural thoughts that i had late the meetings like nobody that's good does that nobody that's good missing or skipping treatment nobody that's good does that having preparation questions publicly nobody has that work ethic questions publicly like nobody has that nobody good has that problem it's not a professional operation over there so whenever i have to point it out it's like I become an enemy as opposed to somebody that's being like, hey, we got to tighten our shit up.
But I don't know if you can flip that switch, which I said in that. I don't know if you could just become a professional overnight either.
I don't know how that happens. I don't know what the future looks like for the Colts, but I do know there's a lot of us from what I've learned from reading the responses to that, that are Colts fans, which I am, that are about fed up with it.
There's not really many likable pieces to this Indianapolis Colts team. And then the podcast stuff on a losing team, it's like, I get it that I made content when I was playing.
And when I was young, I had to go through a lot of learning lessons as well. But a lot of these guys are older and they haven't won.
And they're doing a lot of shit that bums do. And it's like, somebody has to push that, point that out and I and I'll do it and I'm not the only one there's a lot of people that are pointing it out here about the Colts yesterday was a bummer it was a bummer that should have been we should still be lurking at least there's something to have hope for going into the final week Jacksonville who can't beat anybody but the Colts which goes back to you guys still talking doing podcast acting like you're something the colts i'm not getting into it salute the service award which is obviously a massive ordeal especially here in indianapolis indiana which is an award given to somebody on each team for their service back to the military and how i was very lucky to win that award multiple times i became a finalist in the NFL, felt honored to do it here in Indiana.
The amount of military personnel there is a lot amount of military everywhere. Camp Atterbury is about an hour, hour South of here.
They're sending people to war down there. I mean, this is a very, very, very big military hub.
You heard about the shelter downtown before the winter. The Colts gave that the blue, theute to Service Award winner.
It's like the Colts gave the award to themselves for what they do for the military in Indianapolis. It's like, so nobody on the team.
Who's Blue? Blue's the mascot. Oh.
That's the Colts. Like, that is the Colts.
They tell him where to go. So it's like you just start adding up all these things.
It's like, who are you guys? Like, why do you think you think you are who you are and it's because they all got paid they've all been here and there's never been anybody that's like hey you can't just stink and get away with it well you can't because they have and they are continuing to do so man i and as a as a former co i saw obviously a lot a lot of people saw your tweet so so many i did not expect that i put that down by the way came back saw it at 6.8 whoa yeah all right people thought i was like mad when i was writing i wasn't mad i was just like this is just a matter of fact yeah these are just all the things how i feel about the situation yeah you like you said you can't i don't think you can just flip the switch you know it's it's a it's a culture issue at that point because you're coming in like you said lurking and you're going you looked at the schedule a couple weeks ago okay we got these two teams we handle our business obviously some other things got to happen but then to see that effort you know talent is one thing and i feel like we have the talent on the team so when you go into and playing in new york giants and you lay an egg like that they put up 45 on you and then just watching the tape watching the game and seeing the effort. Extremely, extremely disappointing.

You see what's going on in Minnesota, what Questy and KOC have done.

You see what's going on in Detroit with Brad Holmes and MCDC have done it.

Other places as well.

The Rams.

The Rams came into this season.

Bunch of young pieces on defense.

Obviously, Stafford didn't know what was going on there.

And they won the damn NFC West. So, like, it comes down to the leadership.
And that's from the top down, not only the players. And then the players, you got to police each other.
You got to create that culture and enforce that culture in the locker room. And like you said, we know a lot of people in that building.
Shout out Dave Hammer, who this is probably his last season there, but he's been there since 84. Head athletic trainer, yeah.
He's been there since 84, so he's seen a bunch of different teams. A lot of those guys, the training room, equipment room, former players.
I know it's a lot of new fans who maybe have been fans of the Colts for four, five, six, seven years and think they know it all, but when you talk about the people who have laid the foundation of the organization and what they put out there on tape and on the field, as professionals, you obviously got to look at yourself and check yourself, and then you you got to be able to check each other and only way you can check somebody else is if you're accountable yourself and you're holding it down so uh very very disappointed as a former cult and uh shit i agree with them that everything you said in that a lot of bum tendencies yeah just like too many bum tendencies and then they're just stop being bums just be like i don't it's hard for me to understand and wrap my mind around it. Especially, you know, like Anthony Richardson didn't play yesterday.
And I hope his back is healthy. Legitimately, I hope his back is healthy.
Back spasms would suck. The fact that it wasn't rolled out as back spasms to begin with, I think is.
That's crazy. In my opinion, once again, and I know a lot of people over there, I got a lot of respect.
But that's an organizational thing. Because you can't like, you put him in a bad spot because we don't know.
We don't know. As fans, we don't know what's going on inside the building, but when you say back and foot soreness for a week when everything's on the line and you already, there's already been question marks around your quarterback with the tapping out and missing games like that, and you say back and foot soreness, and then after the game, you say, oh, it spasm, and they were serious, and that's like, what are we doing? Yeah, go ahead.
It's very much like the Dolphins with Tua early on when they said he had a rib problem and it wasn't fractured. That was the initial report.
Oh, he had a hairline fracture or something instead. Bingo, as the week went on.
And then they released a hairline fracture in the ribs, which is a completely different story. But the Giants, too, they were one of the teams that hadn't scored 30 points all year.
They were on that graphic with the Raiders. Multiple guys got their first interception of their career yesterday.
I think that's why I saw a stat. Not career, but year.
That's actually their, I think I heard, that's their first interception of the whole season right there. That's what it felt like.
Yes, nasty. Obviously, not the right throw, not the right spot.
This is his first interception of the year, though, I do believe this guy. And it's like, what a play.
That's the first drive. That's the first drive down the field.
We weren't moving. Flacco was sitting there.
Oh, yeah, he was playing ball. Third three points.
And there's a lot of talent on the team, which I think is why it's like, come on, dude, come on. If you want to make me the face and make me an enemy in this city, okay.
Try to get me booed out of town for what you guys have done to that building? You guys always say it, too. Yeah, there's a lot of town in the NFL, period.
Typically, you don't get to the NFL if you suck at football. There is a lot, but it goes back to...
Everybody's good. If the culture's bad and stuff like that, you mentioned it.
A lot of the shit that was coming out in the media

and what people were saying,

both of the

seven teams on the AFC and the

NFC side, you don't hear any of that shit from any of

those teams. None of that stuff.

We got guys not working hard over here. Middle of

season. What? We got guys not working hard?

That's like...

We got guys just showing up late to team meetings.

Not because they get no car racks or something. Just because, ah, I overslept.
Sorry about it. It's like, what the? Do you care about football? Do you care at all about any of this? Maybe you don't.
Whatever the case, you're eliminated again. Have a great vacation.
And next year, we've got a chance. Next year, we've got a chance.
Join us now, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL insider for ESPN, Adam Schefter. Yeah, Schefter.
Schefter, we had to chit-chat about the Colts there, you know, because I'm a writer now, all of a sudden on X. Yeah, I see.
The thoughts were rolling out. That is a situation.
You know, Shane Steichen, I think a lot of people think, good play call. Oh, there's some of the play calls yesterday.
Like, what are we doing? And then he came out afterwards and said, I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, you know, with their back spasms. That's why I said soreness.
He's the one that kind of said that. It's like, okay, well, kind of threw him under the bus by not saying it, but what's the truth, what's not the truth? You never know.
Colts, do you have any intel on what the Colts could be? Because obviously I do not, especially at this point after what I wrote yesterday. Well, that was unbelievably disappointing.
I mean, you ripped into them, or you basically put out the facts the way they are i don't even think you have to do that they lost to the new york giants who hadn't won a game at home all year long giants came up with interceptions that they hadn't come up with all year long the giants were in the number one slot the culture playing for their playoff lives and they lost they lost to the worst team up until yesterday in football. I mean, Pat, the facts sometimes speak to themselves.
Who makes the decisions over there, though? Like, who would be making the decision over there? Because I think a lot of us Colts fans are wondering. And once again, I do not have sources in the building.
I don't. Well, you know the way that that building operates better than anybody, it has to start with the owner correct yeah but who's the owner you know jim's the owner but yeah who's around every single day he's kids i believe carly's on the sideline literally with a head headset every single day kaylin's in the build it's like would carly would this be carly's first massive decision like is that how's it like do like, do you know? I still think Jim makes the decision in the end.
Ultimately, I still think Jim makes the decision. And I think he listens to the people around him.
But I think he's making the decision. Okay, so let's pivot away from a team that has been eliminated from the playoffs yet again.
Okay, let's eliminate from them. And let's talk about the teams that are in the playoffs already let's talk about the kansas city chiefs what do we think about resting playing how do you think this pans out for this last week for the number one afc seeded team i think we'll see patrick mahomes in the divisional playoff round i think we'll see chris jones in the divisional playoff round i think we'll see isaiah pacheco in the divisional playoff round.
I think there are key players that have not been healthy

that this is the ideal time to get them rest.

And the Chiefs are playing at a level that is as strong as any time

they've played at during the season.

They're hitting their peak.

And so when these guys aren't healthy, this is a chance to rest them.

You're not going to risk them.

They didn't risk them last year once they had clinched their spot.

It was a different scenario. I don't think they were't risk them last year once they had clinched their spot.
It was a different scenario.

I don't think they were the number one seed, but

they had clinched their spot,

and Andy Reid used that last week to rest

them. I know they'll get another buy, but

this team is clicking

right now, and you're not going to expose

certain people

at times like this. And here's the

thing that I think a lot of people

also need to understand. There's

53 players in the roster, so if there

are four, five, six guys

Thank you. at times like this.
And here's the thing that I think a lot of people also need to understand. There's 53 players in the roster.
So if there are four, five, six guys that don't play, there still are another 45 or so that are on a Super Bowl caliber roster that are going to go play against the Denver Broncos. This isn't going to be a gimme game for the Broncos.
And by the way, for Carson Wentz, this will be a Super Bowl.

This is a big game for him.

This is a big game for all the people that are going to be called on.

Now, it's as favorable as Denver could hope it to be for a matchup against a team as great as the Chiefs, but it's not a layup.

It's not a gimme.

They still have to go out and take care of business.

But I would expect that the Chiefs rest the key people that have had injury issues and don't expose them any further and get them ready for the divisional playoff round. Okay, and that is Andy Reid's move.
Remember, the reason why Patrick Mahomes is the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback or became the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback is because the number one overall seed or the number two overall seed, I forget which one, was already locked in, going into the final week against the Broncos. And Alex Smith took a Patrick Mahomes goes in Mahomes beats the Broncos then obviously finish out the season with Alex Smith trade his ass to Washington Patrick Mahomes is the guy a lot of us go this is the best Alex Smith has ever played he finally found it and he got rid of him and then everybody behind the scenes was like just wait just wait until you see this guy wait till you see this thing turns out that was the right move that was the right move.
I'm not saying that's going to happen with Carson Wentz and Patrick Wellens, but Carson Wentz goes in there and gets a massive win for the Kansas City Chiefs. Boy, you're talking about a resurgence of a career all of a sudden.
And for us, I'm pumped that it's happening, not because the Colts are no longer lurking, but Carson Wentz football is electrifying. Carson Wentz football is electrifying.
Anything could happen at any point of the game. Let's, uh, last question for me before the boys have something about current situations.
Up there in New England, we brought this up last week, I think, to you. Connor is actually the one who says, I am Mayo guy.
Okay, I'm Mayo guy, but I'm just letting the world... Do you hear that? Somebody's phone's going off.
That was my laptop, sorry. It's a 1999 ring.
I mean, that was a pretty magical moment. Okay, so Connor, though, said there's some reports up in New England or coming out of New England that the Crafts might, you know, if it goes bad the final two weeks of the season, with just one season of being a head coach, Gerard Mayo, maybe move a different direction.
And some people in New England are like, Vrabel would be the guy that would go and take over. The prince who was promised wasn't Mayo.
It was actually Vrabel this whole time. What are your thoughts on what's taking place in New England? And after an ass-beating in Foxborough with fans chanting anti-Mayo stuff.

How do you see it kind of working out up there?

I think the Crafts have wanted to give Gerard Mayo every opportunity,

and I still think that that's the case.

Again, you never put too much into any one game,

but if there's another game like that at the end of the year,

I think it's going to lead to discussions.

I think that they want to stick with Gerard Mayo. This is a guy that they've believed in.
It's a guy they've promoted. It's a guy that they've stood behind.
Now, there are things that they have to address. There's a team, again, that needed help at wide receiver and traded the draft pick that became Ladd McConkie to the Chargers.
They traded that pick, and they used the picks they got back in return on Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, I believe. And so they need to get some things straightened out.
Right now they're in position to secure the number one pick in the draft. And by the way, if you're Buffalo, to me, you're arresting everybody this weekend, and you're letting New England win that game because they're going to try to win the game and if i'm buffalo it's my pleasure to have new england win the game so that they're dislodged from the first pick in the draft which is an incredibly valuable spot to be in especially when there are quarterback needy teams lined up at two three four and are going to be vying to trade up to number one and you can get back a ransom for that pick so to me Buffalo will send out guys, they're going to be vying to trade up to number one, and you can get back a ransom for that pick.

So to me, you know, Buffalo will send out guys they're going to be trying.

Players are never going to be in the mindset,

oh, we're going to let this team.

That's just not how the NFL operates.

It's why the Giants hammered the Colts yesterday because players are fighting for their jobs

and trying to prove something on a weekly basis,

and everything they do goes on tape.

But the fact of the matter is if I'm the Bills, like Josh Allen, we'll see you in the wildcard round.

And James Cook, we'll see you in the wildcard round.

And anybody of any import, we'll see you in the wildcard round.

But again, there's only so many guys you have.

You know, guys have to play.

You can't rest the whole roster.

You can't forfeit the game.

I've been a part of a team that rested players the final two weeks.

I think all the starters started because their start streaks and all this type of shit and appearances and the game. I've been a part of a team that rested players the final two weeks.
I think all the starters started because there's start streaks and all this type of shit and appearances and escalators and contracts, and then they were kind of replaced in the second half. It was like a preseason outfit, though.
Because you say, you know, at the beginning you said there's still a lot of guys that are on a Super Bowl roster, and then you said we need enough guys to play the game. It's like a lot of those guys are very good at their jobs, which are what? teams they're great they're great at special teams uh they're great at giving looks in practice but to have an entire game depend upon them we shall see might see some superstars just like a preseason you talk about the buffalo bills saying no moss uh to the new england patriots so they dropped to what four or five instead of number one overall let's talk about tonight's game that means absolutely nothing tone has a question for you yeah shetty it does mean nothing because the only thing that matters for the lions is next week's game against the vikings so does that mean the lions are going to arrest people tonight and especially because they have been so banged up why would they risk more people or is mcdc playing their guys tonight in a game that means nothing to them but that's how you think that how I think.
And I had this debate with somebody in the Lions this morning. I'm like, there's nothing to play for.
You're on a short week. You play the Vikings.
And Dan says we're going to try to win this game. I'm like, okay.
If you listen to his quotes, this is who they are. They are built on grit and toughness.
They go for it. They're're going to go for it tonight now again i think you have to see how the game is flowing and what's happening and and i think they're going in with the mindset we're going to try to win this game again this is in talking to them they're like well we could become the 10th team in nfl history to have 15 regular season wins I said, okay, bravo.
Good for that. They're like, well, we don't want to take away from the energy and the momentum that we've built.
Okay. But again, you're in a short week.
Everything is rotting Sunday night. But they're not thinking the way we're thinking.
They're just not thinking that. Now, for me, it's hard to imagine that you're going to go run Jameer Gibbs into the ground tonight when David Montgomery's gone.
But they remember that they lost to this team. They think that they can just go out and be tough every week.
And Dan Campbell's been pretty adamant they're going to keep playing. Now, if they're up two touchdowns in the third, fourth quarter, could we see a quicker help? Yes.
Could certain situations in the game enter into his thinking? It would be illogical to think that they wouldn't. But going into the game, their mindset is, we are going out there to win the game.
And we'll see how the game unfolds and how he handles it from there. Second bye week here, week 17.
Yeah, it'd be nice. Getting an opportunity.
You know, let the boys, hey, let's get a couple drives in. Let's get a couple drives in.
And then bang, go ahead out there now. That AMCD.
I agree it's not, but boy. The whole family, the whole family over there.
He'll be going forward on fourth down, too, tonight. He'll be Jared Goff, QB, sneaking in fourth down.
First quarter, second quarter, we need it. There's some dogs on the Niners defense that can hit hit.
They still fly around. And this game means nothing.
The Niners have shut down more of their roster than the Lions are considering shutting down their roster. There have been a lot of guys who have been hurt.
A lot of guys placed on IR. They're missing a lot of guys already.
The Lions don't care. They're going in there to play the game.
Which, again, as fans, we could sit here and debate it. I think most fans would say, why are you doing that? Yeah, okay.
I think most fans would say, I don't love it. Someone gets hurt, you won't love it.
What are we doing? No, but if they do a stumble, fumble, bumble, mumble tonight, oh my God. Everybody's going to love it.
Ben Johnson does a triple throwback. Everybody's doing double throwbacks these days.
Okay, we're doing a triple throwback. Just Ben Johnson unloading the clip tonight on Monday Night Football would be awesome.
That would be fantastic. Well, they think that they have an endless supply of trick play, so it's no big deal.
They do. He's doing whatever they want tonight in a meaningless game.
But, again, they're going to get back to Detroit, I don't know what, six in the morning on Tuesday, and they're going to get underway with preparations for a monstrous Sunday night game. So they're on a short week of a West Coast trip, and they're the Lions, and they're coached by – and they don't care.
What is the – I love that. I love everything about it.
What, man? Oh, we – they're not keeping score, man? Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
That's cool, yeah. You know, I want my guys to be losers going into the playoffs.
Yeah. Biggest game of the year coming up next weekend.
Yeah, we want to have an L hanging over us going in there. No way.
Look for the Lions to win by 60 tonight. Exactly.
That's culture. That's MCDC football.
And that's why we're in this position in the first place. Let's go beat the hell out of them and get some revenge.
And then we'll go win next week, too. I love that.
Tone would like to have a word with you, but that's the way the Lions are thinking. I was just asking a question.
No, no, because it's a very real question. Valid.
Because this game would normally last week of the season for teams. Instead, it's second to last week of the season.
It's like, do you take a little thing because then you're going to be back next week so you don't have rust going into the playoffs, but you still got a chance to rest a little bit. Maybe it will be a Cam Ward situation.
Maybe it will be. Let's be honest, this defense is brand new.
They need all the reps they can get together. What happened in Miami? Con has

a question. Yeah, Shefty, kind of last week

out of nowhere, Tua was

downgraded to doubtful and then obviously

didn't play yesterday. What's his status

and can we expect him playing

this upcoming weekend with the

lurking Dolphins still looking for

a playoff spot?

I don't think it's a lock he plays this week.

I think it's

I think his status is in question. I think that would

be the fairest way of saying it. I think that hip was more banged up last week than people realize.
It's the same hip that he had surgery on in college. It's a different spot, but the fact of the matter is it was bothering him last week and got word over the weekend that he wasn't going to play.
They're like, no, he's still trying to play. Okay.
And obviously he felt like he couldn't play in the end. And I think that they're back in that spot again this week.
I think Tua will see if he can go out there and try to play. But I think on Monday, six days out, I think it's absolutely fair to say that his status for the upcoming game against the Jets is in question.
And we'll see if he can make it back. Jets coming off a tough one.
I mean, an absolutely tough one, but the Dolphins still lurking. Need Carson Wentz to do his thing against the Denver Broncos.
Huntley looked much better than he did earlier in the year, though. Maybe McDaniel gave him a different offense, Gumby? He just had more time to figure it out.
He was doing the motions and shit. He actually played really well.
We need him back next year to be the backup. He looked unreal.
In the middle of the season, he didn't have the offense figured out. So whenever he was out there, the offense was actually inept.
We saw it against the court. It was terrible.
Yesterday against the Browns, very good defense. Was able to accomplish himself.
Looks like he might have to go for a little bit in the biggest game of the year. He's starting a playoff game in two weeks.
The hip. How long should we be? Is this going to be something where they say, ah, ah, and it's going to linger, we assume? I don't know.
I just know that right now we don't know whether he's going to be able to play this week and that they could have to lean on Tyler Huntley again this week. It's possible.
We'll see how the weekend unfolds. I don't know yet, but again, this is an injury he's had before to the same body part.
And I know that it was definitely significant last week and it was bothering him. He couldn't play with their playoff hopes on the line and we'll see if he can make it back this time.
What was it? Bo Jackson had that, but it was just vastly different because modern science, he was able to get back in there, but it's like the joint like they feel like it's located and then blood and then i think blood starts straight i think it's like a very dangerous if i remember the bo jackson documentary that they did about the injury that basically ended his entire athletic career i think two had something similar yeah because bo jackson had popped out and back in in the same play but the blood kept for. science modern science hopefully is a-okay speaking of being a-okay Philadelphia Eagles are a-okay at the number two overall seed D-Bott has a question for you okay obviously some questions at the quarterback position but running back Saquon Barkley he cracked the 2,000 yard mark last week and I saw a heated debate with you and the guys pregame leading up into it.

You said basically, hey, they're going to rest him in the last week of the season.

Some of the guys on the panel are like, hey, go and get the record.

Where are we at now with what Nick Sirianni is going to do with Saquon going forward with

obviously needing 101 yards to break the all-time record, which Eric Nixon absolutely does not want him to do.

Well, Darius, we have not heard official word from the Eagles, but I think that everything that they've said and done speaks volumes. As soon as Saquon Barkley went over 2,000 yards yesterday and got to 2,003, he came right out of the game.
They didn't leave him in there to continue his chase of Eric Dickerson. They got him right out of the game after that run, and he was put on ice.
And now he's one of nine running backs in NFL history to go over 2,000. And after the game, they asked him about it and he's like, hey, we've got bigger things in mind.
They've asked Nick Surrett. We're not thinking about that.
I, as I said yesterday, as I said, I'd be floored if he played again until the playoffs.

I don't care how close he is to Eric Dickerson's record.

Again, everybody takes a different tact and different approaches.

The Lions tonight, they're going in.

They got work to do.

That's how they approach this.

The Eagles, they're not going to have a bye.

I think that Saquon's going to be put in bubble wrap next week,

and then he'll be unwrapped for the wildcard game. They have the number two seat.
Might it have been different if they had put away the number one seat? Maybe. Maybe.
That would have been a conversation, I guess. But I don't think you're risking putting out a 2,000-yard rusher in a meaningless game against the Giants, no matter how close he is to Dickerson's record.
He's 100 yards out. If that was like 45 yards, I wonder.
If it was 45 yards, we'd be like, we can give a half, right? We can give a go for a half. It's like a movie.
He broke his single game rushing record against the Giants first time at MetLife. And then this time, could break the all-time rushing record against the Giants.
By the way, didn't Saquon, didn't he take himself out of

the game and not decide to

go back in earlier this season

when the Eagles was the single-game

rushing record was on the line?

It was some record that was in his ring, and

that's not the way he thinks.

It's not the way he's wired. He doesn't care about

breaking. His mindset

is on getting a Super Bowl,

not breaking another record. And we'll tell you how the Giants people are thinking right now.
I don't even know if that's going to happen. I'm going to have a tough time sleeping if San Juan goes to Philadelphia.
I'll tell you that. As I've told you, just being out.
I've been around enough players. But he's the most popular player we have by far.
Just breaks the all-time record against his team. Oh, man.
Has to happen. Oh, my gosh.
100 yards. 100 yards.
Saquon could find that. Get that in a half.
Two runs. First quarter.
Yeah. Might be able to.
Now, this Giants team's good. People forget.
Yeah. You saw what they just did.
By the way, Pat, here's another thing. You think the Eagles, again, they have nothing at stake.
If they win, it doesn't impact them at all. If the Giants win on Sunday, they probably fall to, what, 8, 9, 10 in the draft order? Like, a win, the Eagles losing is a win for the Eagles organization.
Bills, Patriots, same situation. Now we got Eagles, Giants, same situation here.
Now again, I want to be very clear. The players are not thinking like that.
They're going to go out and play. But you can't tell me that organizationally that they aren't thinking, well, if we let the Patriots win, if we let the Giants win, if we don't put out our best guys, if we don't do everything we can to win this game and they win, their draft order crashes.
And to get to where they want to be or where they are now, like the Giants need a quarterback. Everybody knows it.
They're at four. If they win on Sunday, they're going to roughly 10.
Roughly 10. How are they getting that up there? Sorry, Saquon Sirianni.
Sorry, buddy. Going to have to get 100 yards earlier in the season.
Dickerson did it in 14 games, too. I can tell you this.
I think the Eagles care a lot more about the Giants falling to 10 than Saquon Barkley breaking Eric Dickerson's all-time single-season rush. Saquon's been special, though.

That's been so much fun to watch.

Obviously, he's going to be at the NFL

Honors if they're not playing in the Super Bowl.

As an MVP finalist,

running back, being able to do that, obviously, in the

modern age we're in is insane. Best

offensive player will obviously come in

to the award to Saquon Barkley.

It's like, congrats to you,

Saquon, especially because

I, like many, had no idea this

was possible. Because we thought he was just

Thank you. to the award to Shaquan Barkley.
It's like, congrats to you, Shaquan. Especially because I, like many, had no idea this was possible.
Because we thought he was just going, just another Giants wasteland. That's what we thought it was going to be this entire time.
But instead, the Giants said, we can't pay him $13 million a year. Yeah, all right? No.
Get the hell out of me. John Mara called it.
John Mara called it. Him with his hand on his face.
He's got to be so mad. Go in, buddy.
I won't be able to sleep. This fucking guy goes to Philadelphia Eagles.
You hear me? And he is by far our most popular player. Well, there's a reason.
He's also your most best player, MVP, which I think is what he's going to win at the NFL Honors, even though he deserves MVP. Valuable player conversations.
Because look at the way this team is finishing this year. First, how they finished last year.
It's because of a run game, being able to do what it's doing. And also, Kenny Pickett and McKee can spin that.
What a time to be a Philadelphia Eagles fan. Congrats to you guys.
Last question here. We appreciate you.
And it's not just the way that Saquon plays. It's the way he carries himself, too.
He's class and class and a pro. Like, that's the kind of guy you want in your locker room.

Last question.

Sorry.

Hey, no problem.

Ty has a question for you.

Shifty, has any of the conversation around Sam Darnold changed over the last couple weeks?

A lot of people saying, hey, there's no way they can pay him, and then they're potentially going to get the number one seed.

We saw how the team reacted to him in the locker room yesterday after beating Green Bay.

Is there any way that they actually let go of Sam Darnold now? Ty, I'm glad you asked that question because my reaction to seeing that video when Sam Darnold walked into that locker room and they all jumped all around him and popped the champagne and did whatever they did, there it is. Look at Kevin O'Connor.
He's watching this. It's a movie scene,

brother. Wait, hold on.
He's watching this

and in the back of his mind,

they just won a huge game. Not how

he's thinking now, but how

can you

let somebody

that your team

feels that strongly about walk

out the door?

That video

tells you that they're not

going to let him go. That's what that video tells

Thank you. feels that strongly about walk out the door that video tells you that they're not going to let him go that's what that video tells you right there i agree we agree we saw it the same exact way although it's going to be a big number will they be able to afford it will sam do a little business with him too to remain there we'll watch you tonight what are you doing you're from home yeah sitting here getting ready for the pregame show tonight monday night countdown Hey, Mazel.
Happy Hanukkah. We're getting ready for the show.
The game might not have as big a stakes, but I'm attacking this show. I'm treating this show like it's the most important show that we've done all year long.
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He is wonderful.

We're so lucky that we get to talk about it.

The Talks of Stable is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt.

One half of the hammer.

Dad.

Cowboys AP Tony is here.

Rocking at Pittsburgh Steelers.

Feeling good about the boys? Feeling really, really good about the boys. Really? Yeah, why wouldn't I? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's a good thing to lose to them.
I'm just saying, you know, played them close for three quarters. Fourth quarters was tough.
And we got a little bit to figure out, but we're going to do that. You guys having a little bit too much Thanksgiving dressing.
Fourth quarter, can't keep up with everybody. Oh, no.
Celebrate holiday's a little bit too hard over there in Pittsburgh. Yeah, I'm stopped.
Oh, no. Just mistakes and turnovers that were going in our favor at the beginning of the year.
Just didn't go our way those last few weeks. But what goes around, goes around, goes around, goes around, comes back around.
Well said. Yeah, maybe for the playoffs, you guys.
Thank you, Nelly Furtado. All you got to do is get into the dance and then you'll get moving.
Was it just Nelly Furtado in that song? I thought that was Timberlake's part. They're saying some stuff about him on the show.
Tell you what, if Nelly Furtado was in that song at all, I'm taking a victory lap. Nelly Furtado had a little bit of a run there.
He did. Victoria, British Columbia legend.
Really? Nelly Furtado? Went to Mount Doug. Did she have a pocket full of shots? Spectrum's rival, Mount Doug, where I went to.
Spectrum had nothing on Mount Doug's Nelly Furtado. We beat the shit out of Mount Doug.
Not when Nelly Furtado was there. Not the man eater.
The state of Canada produced Nelly Furtado. I didn't know that.
Me neither. She had a little bit of a run.
I didn't know she was warm and fuzzy. If you put 14 photos up of potential Nelly Vartados Not a chance.
But I saw her name on some songs. Brunette.
Bangers. Love Nelly.
Bangers. She had a pocket full of sunshine, brother.
Nope. She wasn't in the Timberlake song.
Was not in that song. I didn't think so.
She's in Promiscuous, right? With Timberlake. Miscuous girl.
She was a promiscuous girl.? Who was the Tibley? She was promiscuous girl. That looks like an AI Cindy Crawford if you were to ask me.
That's a great poll. Congrats, Nelly Frittato.
Thanks for everything. That's her? Yeah.
I remember that song. A Little Run.
Mount Doug Mount Doug. Mount Doug.
Oh, Natasha Bedingfield's pocketbook. Yeah.
And that's about cocaine. Yeah, which I learned.
You know, I had it as my alarm clock without knowing that knowledge. And then one trip, everybody was in the same hotel room.
For some reason, I had the thing set up at 6 a.m. To just kind of hit.
And all of a sudden, I got a pocket full of sunshine. I got a pocket full of sunshine.
I got a pocket full of sunshine. I got a pocket full of sunshine.
Oh. Snooze.
Nine minutes later. I got a pocket full of sunshine.
I got a pocket full of sunshine. I got a pocket full bottle, bottle, bottle.

Cancel.

There's a couple people ruffle.

Will you shut that thing the fuck up?

Got it.

Sorry.

I got a bucket for the sunshine.

I got a bottle, bottle, bottle.

Oh, my God.

I'm so sorry.

Turn the cocaine song off.

Somebody said.

I was like, that's a sunshine.

What?

That's a sunshine song.

Okay.

Like, you think sunshine's in a pocket?

Okay.

Maybe.

That is a bag of sunshine, which is wakey-wakey.

That's a bunch of cocaine.

You're listening to it at 6 a.m. I'm listening to it at 6 a.m.

I'm done with that.

I apologize.

I did not know that was the case.

Now, with that being said,

I got a bag of sunshine.

What a time.

Banger.

Banger. Banger.
There's a lot of those bangers that just pop up out of nowhere You know who's been bringing them back to light? The Notre Dame social media team Yes This is the way I live That's what they put on the last one They had some Jeezy on their first one Obviously it won Indiana University had Mark Cuban on Fresh off a failed presidential campaign back into the world though obviously self-made billionaire from pittsburgh went thai you he voiced over their particular video notre dame had jeezy on there almost could have known yeah you know what was about to happen sure now they got baby boy prince or whatever on it it's like wait a minute is this notre dame social media team uh creeping in on oregon's social media team that's at the top up there i'm not sure uh college football a few days away. Oh, yeah.
Nine-year NFL vet, Darius J. Butler is here.
D. Butch, we're about to be on the sideline of the Rose Bowl.
I cannot wait. Is that not bananas? We get to do that? It's awesome.
My favorite part of the year, being on the field for those games, seeing the best of the best go at it. And then at the end, you know, obviously we start at 12.
Countdown to one. We're at eight.
Can't wait. Oregon, Ohio State, everybody's saying this is a national championship-like game.

This rematch, obviously the Big Ten, one of them's not going to make the Final Four,

which is absolute crap, means we don't get the top four teams in the country this particular year.

We know that because one of these teams isn't going to make it.

Will Howard, fresh off his best ballgame.

Jeremiah Smith, fresh off a dominating performance.

Travion Henderson, Judkins doing their thing out of the backfield. Offensive line, dominant.
Defensive line with JTT, Jack Sawyer, cooking all over the place. They broke two of Nico Iomaleava's helmets.
Two of them in one particular game. You're talking about flying around.
They got the undefeated Oregon Ducks team ready to do it. Obviously, Dan Lanning is an absolute dog, but his team's littered with talent.

You know, everybody chit-chatted at the beginning of the season about this Ohio State roster with how much money they spent on it.

Valid.

Okay, valid.

Very valid, because they have gone all in in this particular roster.

And then you heard, you know, Trestle and Urban Meyer say,

that's got to be the best team that's ever put a Ohio State uniform.

Now, we've won national championships with teams that aren't as good,

but we'll see if he's able to do it with this good of a team. Basically, it's what they said about the roster and everything like that.
Oregon put together quite a fucking roster, too, now. Let's not get crazy at all.
They have high-end talent at every single position, and they fly around. Now, obviously, that was right in front of our faces, and we're all mind-blown.
He was screaming and actually projecting some spit onto that crane that was blocking our view in front of our suite. So we got to watch this and witness this's tight end they got every position like oh yeah now they had to take on a penn state team in the big 10 championship right there just jumped over a nittany line that pounded a rock against them with singleton and allen they were able to gain some yards is oregon going to be able to bounce back is dylan gabriel going to be able to utilize tesla absolute dog jordan james absolute beast out of the backfield dylan gabriel doing his thing it's like we're hey this is going to be a good game too the granddaddy of them all we're going to be able to utilize Tez's absolute dog, Jordan James, absolute beast, out of the backfield, Dylan Gabriel doing his thing.
It's like, hey, this is going to be a good game, too. The granddaddy of them all, we're going to be lucky to be on the sideline broadcasting on ESPN, too.
But the game itself is setting up to be a banger, physical. Both need it.
Both want it. Both feel as if they are at their best forms right now.
We got a good one coming on Wednesday night, which football needs. Great one.
Two great coaches, two great organizations, a lot of NFL talent, and then that setting. That beautiful setting.
That is so nice. Five o'clock kickoff.
Cannot wait. It's five o'clock somewhere.
Pasadena, whenever this thing kicks off on the Eastern time zones, five, two o'clock local. We have a 7 to 10 a.m.
local game day, I believe, on New Year's Day. And then there is the – It's Texas.
Texas. Arizona State.
Have you heard that? There's a little – Peace Bowl, I believe. Have you heard a little bit of the chatter out of the Texas-Arizona State conversation? Some beef.
What's going on? Sam Levitt, Jr., redshirt freshman quarterback for the Arizona State team who just won the Big 12. Obviously, a lot of conversation about Cam Scattenboo, the running back

who's a stud. Sam Levin Jr.
has become

a quarterback. He's a dog.
Very, very good.

He was asked about Quinn Ewers, and

he gave an answer about believing in himself

and said, I'm ready to prove I'm the best quarterback on

that field or whatever. Quinn Ewers took the

high road, said I heard what he had to say. They've been fun to watch.

Yada, yada, yada. Do that.
But you

got those Arizona State dogs ready to cook.

They're ready to activate the Valley in this entire thing.

Could you imagine the upset that could be if Arizona State knocks off Texas?

Texas with all the talent and size and funding and everything behind it

with Sarkisian, that'd be bananas.

Now, I'm not saying it's definite.

I'm not saying that's the way I'm picking.

I'm just saying would be gigantic for Arizona State and also another massive shot across the bow to the SEC. The SEC during this bowl season has had a lot of things happen to him that's not great for all the talking points that have been said.
Correct. Not as bad as the ACC, but there's been a lot.
I believe Arizona State also has a lineman who went to Texas or wanted to go to Texas, and they said, you'll never play here. So now he's starting at Arizona State.
So there's some chips on the shoulders for the Sun Devils. Yeah, and then obviously the Rose Bowl.
Then at night, the capper, Notre Dame, Georgia. How you doing? Keep it moving.
Can't wait for the Catholics to take on the Dawgs. And, yeah, I'm excited as shit for tomorrow night.
Penn State, Boise State, kicking it off all the way through Wednesday, New Year's Eve. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who obviously has a rooting interest for the Ohio State Buckeyes, but will also be on the sideline with us at the Rose Bowl.
He's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, A.J. Haas.
Yeah, I'm ready. Walker, we were just talking about the slate.
Your first takeaway whenever you think about it? I mean, Arizona State, that would be a, I don't know what the line is. You may all 13 i seen right now okay that would be a huge upset but i'm excited to see scadaboo see if he can run wild as you said there's been um a lot of home ass beatings thus far yes college football playoff but it was called home field advantage for a reason yep it was called like the reason why they were seated for home field advantage because everybody thought they were the better team.

So sometimes chalk is going to win it.

At this point, people are a little bit worried that maybe there will be another couple blocks.

That's what people are saying.

Big spreads, but what we don't have this round that we did have last round

is that cold weather that we talked about a lot.

That obviously played a big factor in that first round.

Now it's neutral sites, warm weather.

Obviously some teams that have well rested. I'm excited about this but 11 points and 13 points at this point in the playoffs some big big time spreads those are some big time spreads we'll be live on espn2 for ohio state and oregon aj let's talk about that game real quick before we pivot to the greatest of all time when it comes to nfl coaching and general managing now in the college world uh ohio state fans we talked about it um last week or something with Coach Saban, where Coach Saban talked about how, hey, Ohio State fans, we got a chance to win a national championship.
We'll worry about everything offseason. Right now, I know we lost to Michigan.
Let's roll. Feels like Ohio State is behind this Ohio State team, right? Yeah, absolutely, especially after the show in against Tennessee, I think anybody that was on the fence or thought,

hey, this team isn't what we thought they were,

I think they're back now.

They're ready.

Hey, that's a beautiful thing.

Yeah.

Some Buckeye fans get loud.

Oregon's fans are going to be bananas.

They're closer, too.

Joining us now is a man who's going to be trying to get to this particular game

for the next couple of years.

He's now the head coach at the University of North Carolina

of the Tar Heels football team.

He's the greatest general manager and greatest NFL coach of all all time ladies and gentlemen bill belichick how you doing coach great great happy holidays happy holidays to you merry a lot of football this weekend so much i mean there was games so many games now i'm not going to say you know the new england patriots were kind of like March Madness happens and there's only one game at a time and the game stinks. You're kind of forced to watch it, nothing else.
But it was a nice day. It was a nice break up there.
It was nice to see the Chargers do their thing. But it was a lot of football.
Let's talk about your world. Is it a lot of – what is your world right now? Are we still recruiting, putting together a staff? Where are you at right now down in North Carolina? Yeah, definitely recruiting a lot of guys going into the portal seems like every day you know as team seasons uh conclude with the bowl games and and then the playoffs here they're coming up so a lot of guys in the portal a lot of people contacting us want to come to carolina uh my instagram account's been been busy uh so scrolling through that i never thought i'd be saying that.
But here I am, you know, joining the 21st century. So that's been good.
So, yeah, we've got big weekends coming up, the weekend of the 4th, weekend of the 11th. A lot of guys coming in to visit and stuff like that.
So, yeah, it's been fun. It's been good.
Really enjoyed it. it uh and you know school's been great uh chancellor and the staff and administration really been behind us and so we got got a lot of positive things going but a lot of players want to come to carolina so that's a good thing you see any good ones send them our way yeah you got it hey listen you no doubt about it cannot wait to see who ends up as a north carolina tarheel under your down there.
I think that's something that a lot of people would be excited about.

I can't believe you're using your Snap Face and My Face DMs now to connect with people that potentially are in the transfer portal, but I love it.

Let's talk about the 4th and the 11th.

Is that when you're going to try to figure out if these guys are guys that you think could be Carolina guys,

or is that them trying to get a feel whether or not they could fit in with your particular system how does that kind of fourth and 11th weekend go in your eyes right well the weekend of the fourth uh we're still you know open on some transfer portal players uh before school starts and then uh you know just the whole month of january is kind of a big recruiting month so um you know we'll just just take them as it comes here start to work on the 26th high school class and and also which we're already working on them at the high school class as well as still still some portal guys that'll be left over and start the off-season program with the players that we have and get things rolling there so it's a you know big month for us okay so when they reach out to you they want to come do you treat it like draft prep are you like interviewing them to see if they're the type of guy or the type of player that you want in your building are you selling the out of your program right now to a lot of people yeah both you know both you know not only you know recruiting the players but um as you know in college there's a lot of recruiting that goes with the parents uh and also with you know, other people, high school coaches or people they train with and so forth, which is a little bit different than what it is in the NFL.

But it's, I'd say, a combination of the first two days of pre-free agency, where there's a lot of talking going on before free agency actually opens, and the few hours after the draft when teams are trying to resign or trying to sign players to fill out their roster, you know, where you're dealing with agents and players. It's some kind of combination of those two days.
Has it been more? You know, been doing it. No, you said you've been doing it for a long time.
I was about to say, has it been more or less tasking than you thought going into it all oh it's just different yeah it's just different but you know it's it's good it's you know again you feel like you're just talking to a younger players um who have the same aspirations of you know being good and developing their career uh in college football to lead to the nfl as opposed to college players who are actually out of eligibility and heading into the NFL. So it's a little bit different conversation, but it's kids that want to be good, kids that love football, and kids that want to play for your team, whether it was New England or Carolina.
It's a lot of the same team. Go ahead, AJ.
Especially the skill position players. Pat and I talk about this a lot we feel like we see these

young 17 18 year old kids step in day one and they're great like receivers from the jump are

you seeing that when you see you're recruiting these skill position guys and we think it was

maybe they're growing up doing these seven on seven tournaments traveling the country doing

all this stuff is that something you've noticed at all the young players being developed at such

a young age yeah i do think some of them uh you know, do have a big edge there. But as you know, AJ, those kids catch up to each other in that, you know, call it 18 to 20, 18 to 21 age.
Some of the kids that mature quicker, you know, they don't get, you know, they don't physically develop very much. And there's other guys that, you know, come you know 210 pounds 220 pounds and they're 250 260 or the 240 guys end up being 310 and you know things like that after some training and you know good nutrition programs and so forth so it's more of a projection element for sure uh in in looking at the the high school to college players but um you know in the end it's up one of them to, you know, develop as much as they can and we'll provide all the tools in terms of training, nutrition, coaching, scheme, techniques, fundamentals, uh, and so forth to, to make them the best that they can be.
And if they work hard and apply themselves, then they'll max out on potential. How's it been putting together your staff? We know it was announced alongside of you Lombardi, uh, general manager, we're incredibly happy for him that he's back in football.
I think he mentioned at one point, or you mentioned at one point, a director, a player personnel needed. And obviously you need all your coaches.
We know about Steve. How has the staffing been coming together? Yeah, good.
You know, I'll really start to move on that this week and next week. Again, a lot of coaches, uh, that are potentially available that'll be on the staff are either still involved in college football, bowl games, playoffs, or are still involved in the NFL, which we still have another week of the regular season.
And then some of them are in the playoffs as well. So, uh, we'll see how that plays out, but there'll be a strong NFL presence on the staff, but not exclusively.
Uh, we'll have, some other people too that we're working on. So try to put the better, put together the best that we can.
And, you know, players that are coaches that'll help the players and help produce winning football at Carolina. That's what we're there for.
We're there to help the players. I'm very excited for you to take advantage of the college special teams rules.
I cannot wait to see what shit you come up with with those college special teams rules. Now, let's talk a little bit about the NFL, shall we? We are in a certain season.
You just talked about the last week. Tone has a question for you.
Yeah, Coach, you've been in a lot of these scenarios. The Chiefs, they locked up the one seed.
So their scenario is if they don't play guys in week 18, they're going to have two weeks off. The Eagles, they locked up the two seats.
So it'll just be week 18 off and then, you know, play the first week of the wild card. Lions have nothing to play for tonight, but then have something to play for in week 18.
How did you handle these situations year by year as far as resting starters going in the playoffs and stuff like that? Yeah, I think it's a great question.

It's a great question.

One that gets kicked around a lot, I think each situation is different.

Each team is different.

And in the end, as a head coach, I think it's your responsibility

as a head coach to do what's best with the team.

And you just put the team first.

So in some cases, that could be the rest of a particular individual, maybe who has a nagging situation or condition. If your team is not playing well, particularly in a certain area, maybe they need to play more.
It's really hard to go to your team and say, well, we're going to rest these five guys, but we don't care about everybody else. We're going to put the rest of you guys out there.
We don't care what happens to you. That's not a message I could ever give to the team.
So if there was an injury situation, then that's one thing. I would say the guys that I had, the Brady's, the Gronkowski's, the Brewski's, Mike Vrabels, Rodney Harrison, those guys wanted to play.
They weren't, they didn't, I mean, they practiced all year. They worked all year.
They wanted to play. They never said, hey, coach, put me in.
I don't want to play football. They complained when they had to come out.
Brady complained when I put the backup quarterback in to take two reps in practice on Wednesday and Thursday. He wanted to take every snap.
So that really was never a problem, guys coming to me saying, oh, I'm too good. I don't want to play, or I want to sit this one out.
They wanted to be in there. So that was never too much of a problem.
But in the end, I think you've got to do what's best for your team. And honestly, if your team is in the playoffs, but you don't feel like they're playing very well, then I would play them more to sharpen up for the playoffs because that not playing well going into the playoffs isn't going to last long.

I think each coach has to make that own determination.

But look, if there's a player that is dealing with a chronic injury situation or chronic condition,

then I would absolutely rest that individual player because if he's at full strength, it just makes you a better team in the playoffs. Okay, so...
I don't know if that answers your question or not. No, it does.
It's a long answer to a short question. No, you give a lot of situations or situational answers, which makes me feel good about the way I view things because you can't give black and white answers for every single...
Everything's different. Every situation is very different.
Now, did you ever pay attention to, and once again, this is something you were in the the position i forget how many afc championship games you hosted or whatever you have like the record of it obviously going into the season your teams have been playing well whenever you were coaching them but like the bills and patriots if the patriots beat the bills the patriots currently have the number one overall pick if they beat the bills they drop out of number out of number one overall. And then Giants-Eagles, if the Giants beat the Eagles,

the Giants drop to like number eight or number nine for the pick.

Now, I know that players and coaches can't think about this,

but as a GM and somebody that has to be like front office-wise,

do those conversations ever enter into anything,

or is it just we got to go play our game and let the cards fall as they fly at the end well you know i don't know it sounds like it might have in miami uh you know with coach flores because he brought that up about you know uh the organization pressuring him oh yeah trying to you know for a better draft choice i mean that was you, I don't know if that's been resolved or not. I think it has, but that was kind of publicly talked about.
You know, I mean, I was never involved in that, but I could just, I don't know what happened somewhere else. You know, it's, it's different than the NBA, you know, the NBA kind of rectified that by having a lottery.
So even if you're the worst team, you're not guaranteed the first pick. Um, in the NFL, that's not quite the case.
Uh, if you are the worst team, you do get the first pick. And, you know, personally, I don't think it would be a bad idea for the competitiveness of the, of the sport to, to do something similar to what basketball does, you know, with those lottery picks.
I mean, you know, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation well we might be having it but there'd be you know other circumstances besides just your record there there'd be a you know actually a lottery part of it but uh that's not a decision for me to make that's just a suggestion well i think if you were to give suggestions people listen to it uh so that is good that you are doing that we're thankful for especially with how you viewed it, having to pick 29 to 32 every single year

as you were coaching in this entire thing.

Not that you would ever be in the lottery.

The NBA is crazy, though, because even though it is a lottery,

some people try to think for a 6% better chance of this entire thing.

Anything that happens, there's more bullshit that comes into it.

But to be clear, the team that I was on,

we won two games for Andrew Luck. We ended up getting number one overall for andrew luck and there was people calling it the suck for luckier and there was our fans were showing up with like suck for luck signs like trying to lose and there wasn't a single player that was trying i wasn't trying to shank any punt ever i'm trying to keep my fucking job like that it's always you know it's never players players can't do it coaches same thing but there's always a wonder if the franchise feels a certain way now let's talk about the number one overall pick currently connor has a question for you yeah coach obviously the patriots i mean the titans right there too i think the raiders fan base as well with these coaches who are in their first year you know and things aren't going too well what as a fan base or just as a team when you're looking at it can you kind of point to as a positive you know, and things aren't going too well, what as a fan base or just as a

team when you're looking at it, can you kind of point to as a positive, you know, what, what should those type of fan bases be looking forward to, or kind of be hanging their hat on when, you know, they're running it back to next year and how long would you say is kind of that window for a head coach or new head coach to kind of figure it out with the team? Well, that's a great question. I'd say these days, it's not very long.
You know, you see the coaching changes being made pretty quickly. You know, regardless of the amount of time that's left on a coach's contract, you don't see the Tom Landry situations too much anymore where, you know, there's actually some patience in building that's you know becoming less and less frequent so um and and even the owners that uh you know what the franchise is worth as much as they are uh it doesn't seem to affect them too much to to have these big payouts on multi-year contracts uh that the that the value of the franchise just overrides it by so much it's they don't care.
So that's a good question. I think, look, in the end, you want a consistent vision between the ownership and the people who are running the team, whether that's the general manager, the head coach, or some combination, cap person, whoever those people are.
You want a consistent vision to run the team. And if you have that, then I'd say that's a big edge over a lot of other teams in the league.
I think there's a lot of teams that don't have that. And, you know, that's probably the start of, you know, the start of the really fundamental problem on the organization.
So what should fans hope for? I think really what fans need to hope for is a consistent vision from the team. ownership, head um, ownership, head coach, general manager, uh, cap guy, however you, whoever that is, that there's a consistent vision there that they make sense and that they have the discipline to follow.
And, uh, if they have that, then, then they'll probably be all right. And if they don't, then they're going to keep bumping into each other.
And, uh, I'd say it it's hard is there anything obviously thank you for that but is there anything um tangible that fans should look at to be like yeah this guy could be good coach will be good coach for instance when motor city dan campbell um was with the detroit lions he started like oh 10 oh and 10 up there bad and then the second year they started out bad. Ownership, Sheila Fordham came out and was like, I believe in the process.
I believe in what's happening behind the scenes. I believe that they're getting better.
Is there things that fans should look at? Like, for instance, Darren Rizzi down there in New Orleans. He's the interim head coach.
They get blown out, and then they lose bad again. And everybody's first thing is like, the team doesn't want to play for this guy.
Doesn't want him to be a head coach. I think he's a great coach personally, but that's like 40, whatever it was up there in New England.
40 to seven. A lot of fans are looking saying, oh, the team doesn't want to play for this guy.
Is that fair, you think? Or is there things that fan bases should look at and be like, oh, here is progress. This is what a coach is trying to do.
Or is it just the vision being stated all the same yeah i mean so much that's internal uh pat i think it's really hard for the fans and and honestly it's hard for people outside the organization which we've been in that situation a lot where you're looking from the outside in at another organization and you're sort of wondering what they're doing so i can imagine the fans you know kind of feeling that same frustration um i think when they you know tell you what they're going to do then then you can follow along and and do it so i think uh at a team like washington you know they came in and said they were going to change everything and they did they got a new owner they're going to do new something new with the stadium they changed their practice facility they got a new general manager they got a new coach uh they signed uh adam peters signed 20 some free agents uh they just turned over the whole thing um you look at green bay uh you know what green bay is going to do they're going to draft uh they're going to sign the players that they liked in the draft four years later they're going to let the other ones go and they're going to replace them with draft choices and compensatory picks um the pittsburgh steelers um know, there's a lot of people that could scout for the Steelers. When you look at the Steelers' defense, they have the same guys playing the same positions for three decades, basically, right? Same type of players.
So, you know, it's easy to see what the pattern is there. You know, I think the teams that are consistent, that, you know, that have a pattern and do what they do, uh, as long as they do it well, then, then you stay with it and try to improve it.
Um, again, there's other organizations that it's, it's sort of hard to see, you know, you and I've talked about the bears, uh, Pat, you know, you go out, you draft the quarterback, uh, you go out and, you know, acquire all these receivers and everything, but, you know, no running game, no pass protection, no production, can't score. You know, it's just, you know, in a city that you know it's going to be tough to throw in at the end of the season, period.
Right. So I just don't really, you know, I don't know if that's a way to put it together versus a team like, you know, Green Bay or Detroit, who went out and built the offensive line, you know, to go with the quarterback, then added skill players.
You know, Minnesota, you know, lost their left tackle, immediately went out and got another left tackle, you know, to make sure that they, you know, could at least hold up on the offensive line there in order to use their skill players. And so, you know, just you watch different teams, you know, construct it differently.

You know, Washington, look, they were the second worst team in the league last year, you know, and now they're in a playoffs. And so they had a plan.
They stuck with it. Some things worked out.
But, you know, they got a lot better. You look at other teams like Chicago, like New England that weren't very good last year and arguably worse this year than they were last year.

So, you know, everybody's kind of got that same opportunity to improve, especially teams like Washington and New England that have, you know, $100 million in cap space or whatever it is. And we're going to have a lot of it next year, too.
It's like, well, what's you know, where are we seeing the improvement? What how are we seeing this work? you look at a team like Washington or a team like the Chargers,

you know, that again, you know, when Coach Harbaugh went out there,

he had a very specific plan for what he was going to do. He was going to build the culture.
He was going to build an offensive line. Herbert's not going to go back and throw the ball 50 times a game like he had done in the past.
I mean, yeah, he's broken a lot of records this year, but it's not because of the number of passes they've thrown this year. It's because of the number of passes he threw the last three years or whatever it was.
So, you know, they've changed the culture out there. They're a much better defensive team than they've been.
And, you know, here they are, they're in the playoffs too. Look, Sean did the same thing at Denver, you know, and he did it with a $55 million cap hit.
You know, he did it with two thirds of a team. So next year when they have have a full cap available then they'll have a much better team when you add another third of a cap group of players to the roster that he didn't have this year i think sean did a tremendous job there and that's a tough division it's hard to win out there in that division so you know you look at some of the teams and what they've done and the pattern that they're that they're following and you know you see and then you look at other teams and you know you don't necessarily see the same the same not it has to be the same plan but a plan uh or consistency and following up a plan we can at least see what they're trying to do what you're trying to accomplish here i think like we go back to the lions whenever mcdc started so bad it was like they clearly had a plan This is what our plan is going to be.
We're just going to wait for it to kind of take place, and they're certainly reaping the benefits of that right now. You talk about Sean Payton.
I think he should have won for two personally because Zach Taylor even gave him the opportunity for that entire thing. Ty has a question for you.
Yeah, Coach, I don't know if it's because of the – we just talk about it more in, like, the media and just fans in general now. But, again, last night Raheem Morris is getting killed for his timeout decisions kind of late in that game.
Why do you think, and we see it week in, week out, why do you think so many coaches in the NFL now are just not good with clock management, whether that's timeout usages or, like Pat said, going for two in situations where they should or they shouldn shouldn't why does it seem like that number just kind of grows higher and higher every year in terms of coaches who just kind of seemingly don't have the pulse of the game yeah i don't know it uh ty you know it was kind of reminiscent of the chicago game uh you know where they had to time out and they ran out of time at the end of the game. It's kind of mystifying.
And I don't know exactly what happened internally between the communication between the head coach, the quarterback, the offensive coordinator, maybe there's a game management person involved. That's something that none of us really have firsthand knowledge of unless, you know, you're staff or involved in the process what i would say what i've always tried to do and i changed a little bit on this with brady okay what i always try to do was you have three timeouts in the two minute situation you use your first time out between two minutes and one minute you use your second time out between a minute and 30 seconds and then you use your third timeout sometime under 30 seconds.
Now, that wasn't an absolute rule, but that was a rule of thumb. And so you really didn't want to have two timeouts with 20 seconds to go, and you didn't want to use two of your timeouts in the first 30 seconds of a two-minute situation, you know, where you didn't need to.
And so that was kind of the progression. Now, there might be a certain play that would override that, but that was the general rule of thumb.
And so you get down to that last 30 seconds and the decision really is, you know, do you save the timeout for the very end if you only have one timeout? Not two, which, you know, that's a whole other conversation, but you only have one timeout. Do you save that for the very end or do you use it a little bit earlier so you have more time? All right.
But now the quarterback's got to manage it. And so Tom and I and Josh had this conversation probably in about, I don't know, 13, 14, somewhere in there, because I had always wanted to save it for the end, especially if you need a field goal.
So you didn't have to run the no huddle field goal team on that. you could just take a timeout and go in there and kick it.
But Brady said, look, I'd rather have more time and less timeouts because it gives me more options than less time in a timeout. So let me handle it.
If I screw it up, then that's my fault and you can take it away from me. But I would rather you take the timeout with 27 seconds and give me more time to do something with

than run a play with 27 seconds,

and now we go to 13 seconds and we have one timeout.

I'd rather have 27 seconds and no timeouts

than 12 seconds and one timeout.

And it puts a lot of responsibility down on the quarterback,

but Tom wanted that,

and I felt very confident in giving it to. So basically, we fundamentally made that switch.
And I would take that third time out a lot of times in the 32nd range, even though it had gone against a little bit of my previous thinking because Tom felt more comfortable managing the game that way, and he did it very well. So I than happy to you know give him that responsibility because you know he he he could manage it and so i think some of that depends on just how you want to set it up between the head coach the quarterback the offensive coordinator uh and again possibly if you have a game management person you know in my case that would be ernie uh that we all kind of got on the same page said okay this is what this is what we're going to do.
We're going to give it to Brady. And, you know, Tom, here's what you got to work with.
You don't have any timeouts. But he wanted more time and less timeouts.
And so I think any of these can work, but it certainly helps when, you know, when you're all on the same page. And that's, you know, that's a big one, really.
You and Tom Brady having that meeting weekly is kind of like legendary. There's shots from Do Your Job 1, Do Your Job 2, Do Your Job 3.
I don't know how many of those documentaries we have, but it's the only time we've got to see. There's only one, but go ahead.
Okay, all right, all right. Anyways, there needs to be Do Your Job 2.
The other documentary, as you remember, is The Roast. I wouldn't count that one.
We did not participate in that. If you look at the names that were in there, we were not one of them.
I know. Yep, yep, yep.
Dog, gotcha. But whenever you and Tom would meet, is that the type of things that you would talk about, situation stuff? You would talk about the defense? Those meetings, I think, are pretty legendary now.
Everybody in their head sees it tom's sitting at your desk the shots here it's clearly your office

and it's like that is a gathering of the brain trust of the patriots each week when did that start and what were those meetings about was it about this type of or was it about everything right so when when uh coach rabine uh passed away um in 2001 at the beginning of 2001 he was the

quarterback coach charlie was the offensive coordinator charlie west the offensive coordinator

and so we kind of had to replace coach rabine and so i did that on the defensive side of the ball

so that's when tom and i would talk on tuesdays about this is what the defense is doing this is

how they're playing it this is how they're playing Tuesdays about this is what the defense is doing.

This is how they're playing it. This is how they're playing their cover three.
This is how they're playing their cover four. When they go to blitz zero, they make these adjustments and so forth.
So I instructed Tom on the defense. Charlie talked to him about the offense, right? We're going to run this play on this play.
If we get this, we're going to do that and so forth. And as that evolved, and as Tom really understood the defenses better,

the defense was going to do that and so forth. And as that evolved, and as Tom really understood the defenses better, then our conversations about defense became shorter.
And we talked more about just overall how to attack the defense and, you know, personnel matchups, how to handle good rushers and so forth. It just became a more in-depth conversation.
But the Saturday morning meeting was always more about situations. The Tuesday meeting, the one that I think was shown on that documentary you're referring to, was talking about Ed Reed and the Baltimore defense and so forth.
The Saturday meeting was about situations. You know, how to handle different time situations or personnel or substitutions or rules or whatever it was.
You know, the sliding thing, as an example, you know, the quarterback slides and they spot the ball back where the ball is. And we've seen multiple examples where the quarterback slides early and doesn't get the first down because of the where he slides.
You know, he should have gone further. Like when, you know, Pittsburgh was trying to, you know, run out the clock against, I think it was Washington, and Fields slid too early, things like that.

But the situations we would cover were a lot of times what had happened

the week before or the previous couple of weeks.

So to me, Atlanta, they should have watched the Chicago game,

even though they weren't involved in the Chicago game.

They should have watched that.

Every team in the league should have watched that, and they should have said, okay, if we were in this situation, what would we do? What would we do? And at what point would the head coach say, hey, we got to take a timeout, or the quarterback, or whatever it is? And when you see things like that come up, that's a great example. You know, the Cincinnati-Denver game is another one that I think, if I was head coach in the NFL, I don't care what team I was on, I would watch that with my staff and then go over with the team and say, okay, you know, here's what we do here.
Here's what we would do. Here's the type of play we would run.
Here's when we would do and play both sides of it because you could be on offense or you could be on defense, but you're playing both sides of the play. And one of the really most interesting games was the Atlanta – the overtime game between Atlanta and – who was that against? Washington.
Washington? Earlier in the year. Atlanta and the Bucs, Kirk Cousins set the record.
Atlanta and the Bucs. Yeah, that was the weekend that I was in Washington, and Jed Fish showed that to his team.
And he was going back and forth about, okay, well, here's the Bucs, and then here's Atlanta, and here's the Bucs. And it was about a half-hour meeting with his team, and Jed was explaining in great detail.
It was a tremendous meeting, honestly one of the best meetings I've seen, about how the team should – we would do this in this situation and look at how this player made this decision here and we wouldn't want to make that decision or we would want to make that decision or this was played right and the game went back and forth and back and forth. And then the guy who ends up catching the pass is the special teams guy who never even plays on offense about Hodge being ready to go, going in there and taking advantage of this opportunity and winning the game.
And then all of his teammates saying, hey, there's nobody we're happier for than this guy because he's the first one on, last one off, works harder, and we needed him and he came through. And those are the kind of things that you just learn situationally.
And I would say one of the best feelings that I've ever had as a coach would be when we were good in New England,

and I would walk into that Saturday night meeting, and the guys would all be sitting around having dinner.

And the games would be on, and it would be Georgia, Alabama, or Michigan, Ohio State, whatever the game was,

and everybody would be watching it.

And they would all be talking about, hey, watch out for the bingo situation. They're going to hard count here.
Be ready for this. Oh, they made a bad play here.
We wouldn't have done that. And they were talking situational football or giving each other a hard time about what their alma mater had done right or done wrong.
But it was all situational football, and and they're just watching the game and everybody's into it and so that's when I knew you know with the Brewskis and Roddy Harrison's and Brady's and all those guys Troy Brown that those guys were so into it because they just couldn't watch a game they had to watch a game and talk about strategy and play calling and timeouts and you know that wasn't a foul and it was a foul and and those kind of things because they were just so into the game but honestly it was an awesome feeling as a coach to hear our players have those kind of conversations yeah and that's why they were good yeah when you talk about a culture it's like there it is right there you know that is literally what a culture is being talked about uh do you think you're gonna be able to to? And inevitably, there would be a situation that would come up from time to time where there would be like, hey, what would we do in that situation? And you're sitting there as a coach saying, you know, we don't quite have that. Like what we would do if it was this, but this is a little bit different.
We need to talk about that. And honestly, it was a great, you know, it was a great environment.
I do if it was this but this is a little bit different we need to talk about that and and it honestly it was a great you know it was a great environment i mean it was fantastic yeah and i learned so much as a coach because those guys would bring up stuff you know brewski'd bring up something or rodney'd bring up something or vrabel bring up something and say hey you know we do this but actually that's a pretty good idea what they did what do you think about that and you know a lot of times we'd end up doing it no i heard you didn't listen to people i remember i heard that wasn't the case i heard you know let me tell you something let me i'll go on record right here pat i learned more from them than they did from me and i learned more from them and i said they would flip it because i just want to let you know uh we just sat here for 25 to 30 minutes with you here. I just learned more right now than I have in a long, long time.
So I couldn't even imagine playing for an entire season under there. But I do respect the fact that you appreciate all the players that have done everything, you know, in your world.
Legit. Well, Pat, Pat, I wasn't a good player.
I wasn't like you and AJ. Like, I wasn't a good player.
I see the game as a coach. I see the game as a coach.
When Brady tells me what he sees on the field, that's what really matters. When Bruschi and Vrabel tell me what they see on the field, that's what really matters.
I can say, oh, we can do this. Or Lawrence Taylor, Nelty, would say, I can't read that.
I don't want to hear about that key. Here's what I can see, though.
Okay, well, then the key I gave him, forget that. It's no good.
You can't use it't use it you tell me what helps you okay I'm going to work on that and so it it really helped me to understand what players see and what information they can utilize and what information they're getting that's just they're just it's just air mailing it out there because there's things sitting there saying themselves I can't do that I mean yeah it sounds good but this just doesn't apply. So I really appreciate them telling me, like, that's a bunch of BS.
Like, I don't want to hear that. Here's what helps me.
Okay, then you try to, you know, gear your coaching towards what helps the players. I love that you're in the solutions business, brother.
You know, a lot of people have too much ego, too much pride, everything like that. That's the reason why you're the greatest coach of all time.
Somebody that played for you and obviously has immense amount of respect. Last question for you here for D.
Butch. Yeah, Coach, you're talking about the coach and a lot of those vets, and now you're kind of on the other side of that.
In college, getting players ready to kind of go to that next level. What's the biggest indicator of knowing when you have a player that can kind of pick those things? Everybody's talented.
We talk about it all the time. Everybody's talented, but there's so many moving parts.
The season's so long, especially especially for rookie players we've got a lot of rookies that's impacting teams right now lad you know cooper de jean and queen on mitchell out in philly these teams be jayden mitchell uh jayden daniels i'm sorry bo nixon and denver all these guys are going to be contributing big time in playoff teams what do you see i guess coming in early or even in the draft process with these players that you think will be able to pick it up and fit into your culture on the next level? Well, I think, look, I think it's the same, you know, for all of us players and coaches, the guys that love football, they want, it's not work. It's not work.
They want to learn. They want to, you know, they want to process, they want to practice.
They want to get better. If you really love football, then, then you're into all that.
If all you want to do is play, then, well, that's once a week. I mean, that's great, but you can't get better if you really love football then then you're into all that if all you want to do is play then well that's once a week i mean that's great but you can't get better playing once a week you gotta you've got to put all the practice and preparation time into it to really improve and get better and so i think those are the guys that that'll will you know ultimately be good at that again guys like harrison brewski vrabel uh you know all those type players uh they they put a lot into it on a daily basis you know McGinnis I mean I go right down the same thing on the offensive line you know guys like Tooney and and uh you know Dan Copa and David Andrews and and uh you know Logan Mankins and guys like that and those guys are so into it that it's it's it's all the time and they love football and they love talking about it.
And so they're going to do all those little things, right? Some of them, you know, just comes through osmosis and others, it's really through study and detail. But those guys that love football, like D.
Bud, it's just like you. Look, man, I've never been fast.
I don't know what it's like to be fast. I don't know what it's like to catch somebody who's got the ball, and I don't know what it's like to run away from somebody who's trying to catch you, right? So I have to learn how to be fast from you because I can't relate to that.
I'm slow. I get the other side of it, but everybody's faster than me.
So I learned from fast players. Nobody taught me more than Randy Moss did because I didn't know what it's like to be fast, and Randy taught me what it was like to be a fast receiver and how he could attack

people but I didn't really understand

that so I've never been fast

so like I said

Coach at one point you can move

we saw you down there in North Carolina that newspaper

clip we know as soon as that photo was taken

you got up and boom Forrest Gump right to the

other end and went crazy

and obviously Randy Moss we're all

pulling for Randy Moss

what an absolute dog

first ballot Hall of Famer let's talk about another player

I don't know. other end and one crazy and obviously Randy Moss we're all pulling for Randy Moss what an absolute absolute dog first ballot hall of famer let's talk about another player that could be first ballot hall of famer that you coach for a long time Adam Vinatieri kicker potentially first ballot hall of famer coach how do you feel about that what are your thoughts no brainer I think so gotta be I think so too guys made so many big kicks and and as great of a career as he had new england i mean he had just as great of a career in indianapolis again a lot of those thanks to you because of the kickoffs but i mean adam look there's a lot of names up there that you know are pretty impressive obviously you know eli and um i mean it's a you know it's pretty impressive group so who's who there yeah that's a huge yandas in there obviously he'll be first ballad Yonda gets in there, Gates has a bunch of records Holt obviously Bananas Fred Taylor, hell yeah Reggie Wayne out there but it's like a kicker, Luke Kuechly obviously stud, Jared out, all of them but like Vinatieri, a kicker potentially being first ballad is fucking sweet yeah can we get we get him up there in a Patriot uniform? Get him in there kicking in the snow? No! That's going to be the greatest kick of all time.
Can we get him a Patriot uniform? Did you see him run that? Did you see him run that this week? Because Greg Gumbel was on the call for that. And they re-ran it this past week.
What a call by Gumbel. You're talking 45-yard field goal in a snow globe.
Okay, and absolutely this is after the tucket thing happens vinny has to kick a 45 yarder i think it's like 30 mile an hour gusting winds in a snow globe guy knocks it through it's like of course he does and then obviously hits a super bowl one a couple weeks later it's like go he's the goat and for 24 years no flubs there was never like uh there was never like a downtime somehow with kickers they're always going to hit a downtime vinnie just kept just powered right through it just not mentally such a dog i love that man i hope his first ballot that'd be crazy yeah and you know the other kick in the in the snow game was you know that was another one too there was even more snow on the ground and we tried to brush some of it But I thought, honestly, probably his best kick might have been in the Carolina game to win that one just because of the rush.

You know, they'd already blocked one, but that rush they had with Peppers

and that whole defensive line was, I mean, those guys were unblockable.

And they're all 6'5", 6'6".

And, I mean, that ball barely cleared the line.

It barely cleared the line, but he got it up and threw. But, I mean was that was a tough kick too so he's had so many clutch plays I mean and you know what Vinny Vinatieri was a football player I mean I know he was a kicker but that guy worked out with the players he made tackles on kickoff coverage he was physically and mentally tough he was really it yeah he was more than a kicker he he was really a good teammate and a good football player.
It's Herschel Walker. Yeah, that's Herschel Walker tracking him.
He had a terrible angle. He had a terrible angle.
He had to absolutely, absolutely, actually walk him. And you talk about, he was in pre-med.
He was going to be like a brain surgeon if he wasn't a kicker. You're talking like dog, teammate, great teammate.
Everybody loved him. I'm pumped for him.
Just like I'm pumped for you to do everything down in North Carolina

that you've been able to do everywhere you've ever coached.

You're awesome.

You make us better every single week.

We appreciate the hell out of you, Coach.

Thanks, Pat.

Appreciate the opportunity to come on.

It's going to be a great week here in Week 18.

I mean, this Vikings-Lions game,

you can't ask for a better season finale than that.

That's really a heck of a game. Great job by the schedule of the makers.
Howard Katz coming up with that one in his send-off. What a game to end the regular season with.
I've kind of cooked Howard Katz a little bit over the last few weeks, but I want to let him know he does a great job. The greatest is the last one.
Sunday night football for all the marbles on the NFC side.

That's a dinger.

We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen.

The GOAT, Bill Belichick.

I didn't expect that conversation to go that long.

No.

We actually had J.J. Watt like, hey, J.J., do you want to wrap up the first hour with us?

Sure, because we're off on Wednesday yet again.

And last week we didn't get a chance to catch up with him.

So he'll join us in about 14 minutes or so, 205 Eastern. We'll continue to talk to him.
How about Bill going? The Bears, they play in Chicago in December, and they can't run the ball. So I don't know what's going on over there.
Then he made a couple other decisions. The coaching situation.
You've got to go back to the Bears game, you know. He did it three times.
Cito, has it always been like that? I didn't know if it was like that. I don't know why he was bearing us so much.
He's just pointing out the obvious. No, I know.
It just came really fast. Yeah.
Bear-y-don is what he did there. He did embarrass.
Yeah, those guys. Yeah, you did get embarrassed there.
Oh, yeah. You know, these guys in Chicago.
You got to play in Chicago, you know? You got all these these wide receivers i know global warming's happening and the polls are shifting but it's uh still chicago illinois right there on the lake so you know building a team might be a little bit different there that was awesome that was a fantastic take that was very riveting shit there they talk to talk about how you know he would show the team just plays from other teams like the timeout situation between the Bears and the Lions and stuff like that, and how he talked about how Jed Fish showed it. And he said every team should do that.
With locker rooms you guys were in, did teams do that? Yeah, we showed situations. I assume you guys did as well? Yeah, we did.
I think we did more as I got older in the league. I don't remember doing it as much early on.
Yeah, early on, I think, and once again, I'm talking as if I know, but I got a front row seat to a lot of shit because my job was hilarious and got grossly overpaid. I think it used to be a lot more like we do our job.
It doesn't matter everything else. We'd be the best we could possibly be.
Yeah, don't worry about the situation. I'll take care of the situation.
You make the play when it's's your turn. Like that used to be.
And it's kind of evolved into like more info, the better, more info, the better, more info, the better. And listen to Bill.
It feels like Bill's been like that since the beginning. He shouted out Ernie, you know, up in the clouds.
Ernie was like the first stats and analytics department in the NFL. As a human, absolutely.
And then the other big thing that jumped out to me is him just saying, okay, Tom saying, hey, I want this responsibility with timeouts and him being like, all right, you take care of that. Like I take so much off you as a head coach.
We can see it now with kind of the manicabs from Peyton and Eli are kind of going over a situation or even they have other quarterbacks on. You could tell like those veteran quarterbacks, those Super Bowl winning quarterbacks, like those situation, those timeouts that, hey, they probably say it, remind everybody to huddle with those type of things.
So when you're a head coach, especially a young head coach, and you can kind of get that off your plate where you don't have to deal with some of the end of the game or end of the half time management, like that's a huge weight off your shoulder, especially if you're a play calling head coach like Bill was at times from the defensive side of the ball. We got a lot of offensive play calling coaches now.
So if you can have that quarterback in a position, we got a lot of young quarterbacks playing. It's been multiple times with the Bears where it's like, damn, Caleb, you know, you call time to take over, but they don't have that power early on at least.
How about, yeah, I wonder how many years, because I think he said that was in 2013 maybe he said? 13, 14. 13, 14 when that happened, and that might be 12, you know, in that era there.
How many years did Tom Brady want to do it? And then he finally was like, hey, I'm about to sit and sit out here and thinking to myself, we should be going and then you guys are over there doing your thing. Why don't you just let me do it? And once again, that's Bill Belichick being a coach as opposed to everything you've heard about him.
Tom said that on the broadcast yesterday. He explained the timeouts with the two minutes to one minute and when you use them.
Tom said the exact same thing. They won so much up there.
Yeah. And it's because they never beat themselves.
It was expected. It was expected.
They never beat themselves either. That's why the situational conversation with him is so big.
We're back. Thursday.
Happy New Year. We'll be live for the Rose Bowl.
Holy shit. We're off tomorrow because of games.
And then same thing with New Year's Day. But we're live, ESPN 2, Rose Bowl and College Game Day live, 10 a.m.
to 1 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday.
I cannot fucking wait to get out there. It is going to be awesome.
Electrifying. Just completely forgot we're off tomorrow.
It's going to be so nice.

Good stuff.

All day, you know.

All right, let's get to a break.

J.J. Watt will join us on the other side.

We'll make our picks for tonight's game that matters.

Yep.

Because momentum, man.

Exactly.

Exactly, man.

They all matter.

How was this coffee this morning?

The same as every day?

Actually, just one shot.

Oh, no.

You're taking it off.

No.

What?

Wow.

You're changing?

There's no way.

I never change.

One this morning.

Guess what? What? 42-ounce I never change. One this morning.
Guess what?

What?

42-ounce cup of espresso right before the game.

I'm going to try to make my fucking heart explode.

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It's wonderful. That's AJ Hawk.
Age, how you doing, Paul? I'm doing great, pal. Can't wait to get out to Pasadena, man.

It's going to be awesome.

Oh, I know.

With the way the sun rises and sets over the...

San Gabriel mouth.

Oh, my God.

And then the cotton candy clouds with the pink behind it.

With the grass, it looks good enough to...

And then, obviously, the Ohio State Buckeyes

trying to avenge from an earlier loss this season.

Take on the Big Ten champion, Oregon Ducks,

as they try to move along in the college football playoffs.

Two Big Ten teams enter the Rose Bowl.

One Big Ten exits.

A loser.

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Drama. Intensity.
Violence. Skill.
And maybe some comedy on ESPN too as we broadcast live from the field. AJ, have you been doing your research on these teams, and how do you feel going in, pal? Yeah, I have been checking things out, watching what happened the first time these two teams played, how different they are right now.
I saw a little clip earlier today of both Oregon and Ohio State arriving at their team hotels. Everybody seems to be locked in.
Oh, getting off the bus. Getting off the bus.
A lot of fanfare, a lot of people taking pictures of them as they're walking in. None of the players

are phased. They're just head down, focused on the game.

Yeah, they're locked in, obviously. The boys are locked in.

I did see that Will Howard

said something along the lines that

they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves.

So, you know, that's good. And I think that's

him saying, like he

screwed up. Like I did.

If we know anything about the leadership of Will Howard.

But if we know anything about football and how teams motivate,

they're going to be like, this team didn't even.

Oh, okay.

So we didn't even play.

All right.

Let's see how that goes.

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A gimmick machine. Ladies and gentlemen, J.J.
Watt. Yay! Yay! How are you doing, J? Hey! Hey! Dogs are barking.
Everybody's excited.'s excited whole town can't wait for this we're pretty excited over here yeah i bet you are i bet you're pumped uh tex is the name of the dog is that the name of the dog tex that's tex i named after the first uh uh after the division champs down here okay all right texans certainly their best football. Certainly playing their best football.
Hey, we're going to be playing football. All right? We're going to be playing football.
I am a little bit worried about the future of the AFC South and also the past last 10 years. Obviously, the Colts have not won.
The Texans win again. I saw you get real excited on the internet after I posted a blog on the X.
I saw a little excitement from from the jj watt account i looked at it and i was like man it's really long do i want to read all that and then i read the first two lines like yes i do yes i do let me let me sit down i actually sat down in a chair and i said let's just dive into this right here this is great i mean i have to say obviously the colts we had a great battle many times they've had my number a couple times um i've had theirs a couple times and it's just it is sometimes you just gotta when i see this family infighting it's just it's good to entertain okay yeah yeah sounds like you're pretty excited i want to i'll have you know this is only gonna last a few, and then next year's Colts team is about to be the best one ever. I don't know if you know that.
Best one. Well, you're not going to see it because you don't have any tickets.
I'll watch. I'll be excited to watch from home.
Got Seeky. Yeah.
Got Seeky could buy the tickets if I'd like to, but also watching from home is not bad either. Not bad at all.
Not bad either. You know, especially.
I saw a stat. Is this stat correct? I don't know if this stat's correct.
I just saw a stat. You never know on X.
True. Since the last time the Colts have won the AFC South, every other team in the division has won it twice.
At least. That is true.
Is that correct? Titans and Jaguars are in there. That's real? There's no way the Jag Jags have won twice.
It's a championship. Since the last time you guys won it, I couldn't believe it.
I hadn't stat checked. Yep, it's real.
Well, you didn't fact check it. That's why you said, I don't know.
And you just wanted to present it. I came to the show that does the best fact checking on the planet.
Amen. Thank you.
Nobody gives us enough credit for that. Yeah, hashtag stat that.'s not great okay but i know what's the reaction been what has there been reaction from inside the building inside the city seems like a lot of support on your side yeah i'd say there's a lot of support in the building as well feels like there's been a lot of support ex-players that have been in the building a lot of support ex-players that have never been in this particular building a lot of support feels like there's been a lot of support and then there is obviously a lot of people that are um you know not a lot but there is people that exist that aren't happy about what i said you know like i should be supportive like that's what they need you know because especially what coach saban's saying it's like i have been i feel like i have been you know i've made fun of the houston Houston Texans so many times, right to this guy's face.
Remember, we were showing fake pictures of their stadium. Yeah, exactly.
Made fun of their bobblehead. Boom.
Open 20 of them. Had 14 of these bobbleheads.
I mean, just done it all. Every week I've picked the Colts.
Every fucking week I've picked the Colts. I've been all in.
I've been supportive. Hey, they say they'll figure it out.
They'll do this. They do this they'll do that they'll do that all the while noticing a lot of things that in my head as somebody i i view um i view football differently than a lot of people i think i'm a big humans guy i want to know the humans that are playing guy just because i've been very lucky with my small job that i had as a punter to be in buildings you, and seeing what type of shit works and what type of shit clearly doesn't.
We're almost completely defeated one year. We could have been completely undefeated one year.
I've had the opportunity to kind of see it. So whenever there's just like red flags popping up, like a shite franchises do that, uh, shite franchises do that.
That's crop right there. That is is more crop right there all the while supporting it and it's like inevitably whenever it all kind of kabooms it's like the tea leaves were there the entire time that this is a crap organization what's going on right now this locker room most crop i think now building certainly we got some problems but But this, Frank Reich, I mean, you go, I don't know how the fuck we got here.

I think he's like, I don't think it represents the state of Indiana or Indianapolis or Colts fans at all the way they play either. And they've never fucking won in the way they act.
It's like, yeah, I just couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, I just couldn't fuck.
Yeah, here's your popcorn. I hope you're happy, James.
I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't take it anymore.
I hear you hear you no you support him for a long time you did like i i through tough times through you support him for a long time i think you had the early in the year you had the little where we all saw the okay that's that's something there that's what he actually feels but you bounce right back whoa what are you talking about you're talking about that you're talking yeah yeah you let you let us into the you us into the brain, and then you took us back out. You said, no, I support them.
I will support them. And then you gave them the second shot, and they didn't do it.
So here we are, which I don't think anybody's really disagreeing with what you're saying. I think there's obviously, like, when you just look at the stats and you look at the reality of the situation, it is what it is.
On paper, you literally can look at it and see this has not worked out. Whatever you have tried, whatever it has been, it simply has not worked.
So you have to find a different path. If you're an organization like the Indianapolis Colts, who has obviously been a great organization, who is is in this division who this division has been bouncing a little bit all over the place but it's not I wouldn't say it's been considered one of the toughest divisions in football over time no and you haven't won it when everybody else has won it twice and there's a couple teams in there or at least one team in there that's had the number one draft pick multiple times in that same time span and they found a way to win it twice at least like you have to do something different and i'm very curious i'm very excited to see what happens in this offseason because i i also imagine there's probably some people pushing back being like okay well we also don't want to just give in and seem like pat mcafee is running this entire show but you've said a lot of things that a lot of people need to hear Listen, there's other people saying things that I'm saying too It's not just Pat McAfee is running this entire show.
But you've said a lot of things that a lot of people need to hear. Listen, there's other people saying things that I'm saying, too.
It's not just Pat McAfee. No, you're the only one.
You're the only one. There's a lot of people that have said this entire thing.
But that's why the situation is Anthony Richardson will be entering his third year. 2.25 seasons completed if he was to play.
Well, it depends on how many games he misses next year, but he's entering his third year. Shane Steichen, if you move on from...
Is it a landing spot for Rodgers? Kind of a you know. Not a bad idea.
He said he's open to mentoring someone. He said he would take a pay cut to a mentor and the whole song and dance, but it's like Chris Ballard has been here for what, eight years or something like that.
And he's a good dude. Like I think we all appreciate him.
Like as a human he is. He's very nice.
He's good in the community too, I think, which we're not even going to talk about the locker room and an award for a player going to a mascot. Like we're not even going to get into that.
But like if Chris Ballard was to stay and then Steichen's to stay, so then everything's staying the same. They're just saying one more year.
We're going to do this one more year and see how it goes. It's like, okay, that's possible.
I think that's very possible. If he moves on or they move on from Ballard, then Steichen's lame duck coach, just like Chuck was, whenever they moved on from Grigson for Chris Ballard.
And then what happens with Anthony Richardson is what...

I assume the right move is they are going to

continue with the same match. And it's going to be

some uncomfortable days for me if we happen to be

at events, which I don't go to, but let's say I go to one.

And there's an event where a bunch of Colts players are,

but it sounds like they don't go out in the community

anyway, so maybe that's not...

You've got to give me the mascot thing. What's the mascot thing?

You know the Salute to Service Award? Yeah. Blue won it this year.
All right, okay. All right, there's no reason.
Who votes on that? The team. There's no way.
There's no. Blue is a great mascot.
Give it back to the community. Blue should be up for the fucking Walt's Great Man of the Year if we're going to put him up.
He might be. Yeah, I mean, who knows? But yeah, he won the Salute to Service Award.
So it's like, nobody even in there is worthy of giving. Like, what are we doing? We got hope, though.
We got hope. Just be kind of likable.
Do you remember how much of a shit show the Houston Texans were? Oh, dumpster fire. And look at the back-to-back playoff appearance.
We got hope. A.R.
is like Stroud. I like that.
I'm just saying we got hope going forward What do you say? What is the forward look? I think You keep talking about good guys I don't care if somebody's a good guy You got to get shit done You got to get the job done You want to be a good human If you're leading off of Wholesale changes You got to start from the top That's what you have to get the job done yeah you want to be a good human but like if you're leading off of hey this person's a good guy like look wholesale changes you got to start from the top and my saying that's what you have to do but you got to go back to the draw but like that shit yesterday dude and that was just a combination of kind of what it's been you know how people say hey it doesn't show up till they show up actually yesterday when you're lurking and you go up we're lurking jage but how bad this is going, we were lurking. That Drew Locke put 45

on you? I mean, that's...

Now, Drew Locke might be where he's supposed

to be. Giants were a tea kettle.

They were just waiting to explore. Exactly.

Like Billy O'Brien. That's what the Giants

were. Tea kettle giants is what everybody was saying.

They were

steaming, whistling.

And then, boom!

Colts need this one. Must win.

The Colts, you know...

That offense that you guys

Thank you. Shhh.
Demon whistling. And then boom! Colts need this one.
Must win. The Colts, you know.
No, I mean, that offense that you guys faced had been high-powered all year long. Oh, yeah.
Everybody saw it. So, you know, it was – nobody can blame you for giving that up to that.
But I think there are like – I'm with D-Butt, though. I hear what you're saying, D-Butt.
Like, sometimes you've got to have some just pure dogs. Like, this is, at the end of the day, a violent, tough physical game.
Sometimes you've just got to have a dog that's going to grab somebody by the face mask and say, hey, this is what we're going to fucking do today, and this is who we're going to be. That's football.
Yeah. That's football.
We need that. That's why every time I say, Zaire is probably going to be all pro.
This guy, the tackles he had he's phenomenal football player zaire franklin but it's like all this shit is happening in his locker room too you know i don't expect him to be like vote not everybody's like a vocal leader but at some point when you're constructing a team you need somebody who is some sort of leader like you know like ryan kelly i'm i love ryan kelly like ryan kelly the center but i don't like ryan kelly's like vocal like when you're constructing a team you need somebody or some people you would hope in each room you would have somebody but it's like it just feels like it's just the culture's crop like nobody really it's tough man i mean i'm obviously like i can't sit here and act like i haven't been on a 214 team before like I know what that likes. It is shit, man.
And you're right. It just takes a little groundswell.
But sometimes there are other bigger factors at play that you do need a full-blown culture shift. Because if you're in that locker room and you're trying to change a culture, but nobody above you is supporting it, you're just, like you said, you're a lame duck.
So you could be in that locker. Pissing in the way, brother.
Pissing in the way. And everybody's like, why would I listen to this when it's clearly being allowed at this level, at this level, at this level? It has to be a full-blown organizational push to change an entire culture, and everybody has to be on the same page, and everybody has to stick stick to that and it's very difficult to do when there's so many people in one place yeah to your point about the people above you kind of rowing against you it's like once you set precedent too it's over like if you set precedent with anything it's over and if it's not good you can't just like get that back that's not something you can just put the toothpaste back into the tube once something happens you And I'm not pointing directly at one contract holdout.
But it did happen at the very beginning of a guy's career in a brand new culture in a very loud way. I don't think Anthony Richardson had a shot in knowing how to be a pro.
I don't think he had a chance. You know, in college, he didn't play much, didn't win much.

But it was like potentials there.

Then he goes into the Colts building and it's like best player on team holding out wearing a hoodie two and a half weeks,

potting around to start this entire thing.

That's how the NFL is now, he thinks, right?

It's just there's no real.

And then once you just start steamrolling that thing

and there's been six years of that kind of before it, it's easy for young guys just to catch in and be like oh this is how this shit goes and then it's just just never ends like i don't know how you i i legitimately don't know how you stop that thing and be like not anymore nope i don't know i i legitimately don't know how it's stop it luck on them get luck on the horn just Just get luck on the horn. See what that general manager job pays.
Yeah, just get him back out there. That would be great, actually.
That should be sold, brother. That goes back to what you asked Shepty in the first hour.
It's like ultimately like who's making the decisions? Because like Ursae is there, but if he's not making the decisions, then you just have like a void of leadership at the top. And you would think after hearing that stat about how every other team in the division has won two division titles in the last 10 years and you haven't won any.
Like, most owners would be like, all right, this is unacceptable. Like, we need to make a change, but that's not happening.
So, like, if you do just go status quo and just run everything back next year, like, we saw the way the fans were today. Like, I mean, like, the, the overreaction tweets, guess what? Not as many people are going to be showing up bright-eyed, bushy-tailed to go to Colts games.
The Colts are such – we need the win. We just need the win.
They just need the win. It's also like you guys – if you're sitting there looking at it, you're like, okay, what are our different options? Okay, we tried Rivers, Ryan, Flacco.

We also drafted the young guy early.

We tried the young guy early.

So we've tried the young rookie.

We've tried the old vets who have been like,

it's a tough spot to be in. Middle of the pack, Dan Jones.

We tried a high-quality coordinator from a place.

We tried a guy that's never coached in his life.

We've tried all sorts of different. Saturday was brought in there to try to bring a little accountability back from a place.
We tried a guy that's never coached in his life. We've tried all sorts of different.
He was brought in and tried to bring a little accountability back into building. I'm just saying, I'm sure they're looking at it like, all right, we're attacking it from all these angles.
None of these ones work. What's the next angle that we're going to try? I mean, the Texans, we were in a tough spot, obviously, for the last two years.
We're not taking a year off. Next year, if the Colts are on your schedule, guess what? We're out.
We're going to take one year. A breather.
We're going to completely just wash this thing dry, and then we're going to figure out where our future is. And also, fire sale.
You want one of our players? It's like a yard sale. You come on over.
We kind of barter a little bit, and then you can leave with them. Yeah, because in college, you can have 60 guys hit the portal, right? And you can really turn over.
Yeah. You can really.
I don't know if it works like that with the NFL. Until now.
I heard Peters over there in Washington, Bill, just said he signed 20 free agents. They tried to turn that thing over 20.
That's less than half. In college, they could sign 80 new guys.
I hate this place. All of you.
Gone. Bringing in a whole new roster.
NFL, you can't do that. Bill might do it this year.
UNC? Yeah, after that Fenway Bowl. Fenway Bowl.
He didn't like it. He didn't like it.
Boston College just beat the hell out of them? No, that's not Boston. They were in the Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl.
Who was it? It was UConn. UConn.
Jim Morris, UConn Husky. UConn? And Fenway Bowl.
New Hampshire. Fenway Park.
I knew it was a New England school. I didn't know.
Boston College. UConn.
UConn. Billy O's up there.
UConn's legit, though. Damn right.
They're legit. Well, Moore actually said, we fucking see you and we don't like it.
That's what he came out and said. You're poaching our guys? I know who you are and I don't like it.
Not one bit Jim Morris said. It's a wild time.
We do know who you are. Think hard before you tamper with our players, says UConn's head coach Jim Morris, fresh off a...
9-4. Season.
Nice. Wasabi Bowl.
Fenway Wasabi Bowl. What does he mean? Is it the Fenway Wasabi Bowl? Boston College played in the Bad Boy Lawnmower's Pinstripe Bowl.
And New York. That was the one I saw.
Matt Rule gave a great post-game interview after that win. Still wearing full jacket because it was cold as shit.
They almost came to blows, those two teams. Dylan Rail took Rail took a late hit.
I saw that. The boys got his back.
Was that the ref with the gash? No, that was East Carolina and NC State. Yep.
NC State. Boys got passionate over there.
So we're a little rivalry. The ref got caught up in the middle of that thing.
Damn. Pain dog.
Hey, listen, boys, boys, boys, boys. And a bang.
They said, shut up. I don't like that that happened.
Obviously, we need our officials to remain healthy and everything. But the boys came out with some emotion and started to fight for that Carolina.
There was some booms. Boys still care.
I like it. Not all of them.
I think it's pretty good. A lot of it's been.
Good ball. Yeah.
Good ball. Cam Ward only played a half, though.
So, kick him out.

Quit on his team, man.

He'll be a second rounder now for sure.

Guy doesn't like Paul.

Team had no idea that was going to happen.

How about, who was it, Daniel Jeremiah?

Got back to his phone.

I've been busy with the family all day, so I haven't caught up with all this chatter.

NFL teams will not give a fuck about Cam Ward not playing.

That was basically what Daniel Jeremiah said.

College football is ramping up right now,

Jage. Ramping up right now.
These playoffs,

you know, first round,

kind of a little bit of a chalk.

A lot of good teams beat

a lot of not-so-good teams. We got some

big ones here tomorrow night and then Wednesday.

Yeah. No, first round,

I agree, but also

the teams that were

supposed to win won, and that's just the way it goes. Sometimes, sometimes the NFL playoffs aren't great, whatever.
Um, this is going to be a lot of fun, very much looking forward to this jealous of you guys out at the Rose bowl, one of the best, greatest settings of all time. And this game is insane.
Uh, this, this is going to be a lot of fun to watch. All right.
Uh, before we let you go, we have to ask you about the most valuable player and the most best player. Also, all your other awards that are potentially something you care about.
No ties. No ties.
No ties. I don't know what you're talking about.
What's the most best player? You're not allowed to say it's a tie. It's a cop-out.
You can't do it. So the most best player is the offense player of the year.
Or defense player of the year. Could be.
Could sneak in there. It could be the MVP.
The MVP is valuable, which is why quarterbacks normally, because quarterbacks are the most valuable part of it. Got it.
That was explained by an email from the AP. That was not.
What's that? That was not. That was just Acho, who is...
Are you a peer of yours? A peer of mine. I'm starting to think that maybe no one votes except for Ocho, and we just say, hey, we put him in charge.
Oh, it sounds like he's a little jealous. No, no.
A little jealous of him. He's jealous.
A little bit. No, he just understands the rules better than everyone else.
AP stands for Ocho's picks. Oh! Okay.
It should be, maybe, with the way Tone's reacting right now. Yeah.
Tone knows that there's a chance. How many voters is there many voters is there now? That could go down to one quickly, especially with the way things are going.
I appreciate the way Acho has been explaining these awards. But can you give us your watch list for the MVP and then the two MVPs? Yeah, so how it works out is you vote for five.
So for all these, I put up five on the watch list for the MVP here. We're looking at looking at it here josh lamar joe saquon and sam darnold round out my top five um a lot of people think this is a two-person race and you know it depends on the eye of the voter the eye of the beholder on what you think valuable is um because a lot of people can define valuable in different ways last year the voters defined valuable as most wins because lamar did not have the best, but he did have the best record at 14-2.
He also had great stats, don't get me wrong. But Dak and Josh Allen had better stats last year.
And you look at it this year, Lamar, Joe Burrow have better stats than Josh Allen. But Josh Allen, is he doing it with less? People say, I don't know.
That's up for people to decide. And then Saquon, 2,000 yards.
yards unbelievable what sam darnold's done coming off like there's a lot of stuff that can happen let's talk about the josh allen stuff a little bit because what you just talked about is last year lamar won stats were good but best team he was best player and most valuable player for the best team josh allen now the bill is best team in this particular conversation because there's no chiefs up for the MVP. But his stats aren't as good.
Why are his stats phenomenal? He didn't play fourth quarter this past weekend, right? I mean, the stats are still phenomenal. Like last year, Lamar had 29 touchdowns, seven interceptions.
Lamar or Josh Allen had 44 touchdowns last year. So he had clearly had a lot more touchdowns.
This year, Lamar has 43 touchdowns to four interceptions. Josh has 40 touchdowns to six interceptions joe has 44 touchdowns to eight interceptions they're all absurd they're like this year the stats they all have absurd stats so it's it depends on how you look at it okay i'm happy i'm not a voter jage let's say you were a voter are you a voter jage no thankfully i'm very happy i'm not how do you think it should be viewed and what are your thoughts

on this year's race i mean obviously this goes back a ways for me um i'm a believer that no player on the field is more valuable than the quarterback so i agree that mvp is always and should be a quarterback award if we're truly going off valuable and i also look at the word valuable in that.

Like,

it's,

if you took

that player

off of their team,

which one

is going to drop off the most in my opinion like in going stat by stat in in this category especially is tough because there's other things that come into play because if you're behind in games and you're throwing you're definitely always like drove Joe Burrows and having an unbelievable year, an insane year, rightfully so is in this conversation. But when you're also behind in games and chasing, your numbers are going to be way, way higher.
So it's a really tough one. Like if you take Saquon off the Eagles, how far are they dropping? If you take Josh off, dude, this is insane.
Like I also agree with what Tony said this weekend. I don't like, Not not the tie part but i do agree that voters get fatigued uh we've seen it in other sports mvps we've seen it in there it could be where they're like all right we maybe gave it to him last year but we're not going to give it to him again this year or he already has two so let's give it to somebody else like that absolutely does happen and it shouldn't and i also think last thing sorry is i think there's a lot of people that have already either written it down on their sheet or at minimum made up their mind even before christmas i think there's a lot of voters that no can't do that that put their stuff down and it's not a lot of that i just saw people saying race is over like two weeks ago.
No. Oh, who said that? People.
Nope. One guy.
Who's that? Does he have a vote? It was Dan Orlovsky. No, he apologized.
He apologized this morning. He said he was sorry.
He said he was sorry? He legit. First time I've ever heard Dan say I'm sorry.
Legit. He was sorry, though.
For what? I mean, he's been right about everything else this weekend besides that, but he was sorry about saying that. Dan did have a hot weekend on the X.
He did. He always does.
He never brings up how Mac Jones would have won all those Super Bowls with the 49ers. What are you talking about, Gump? I don't know.
I never see him talk about that one. Dana's having a nice little fucking Monday right now.
There's no reason to do this. Mac's spinning it in Jacksonville right now.
To their detriment. Don't look now.
To their detriment. They're going to hate him forever.
He did call the Sam Darno. He was on an island with that one.
He spoke very highly of Sam Darno in Minnesota. Shut up, Bunch.
That's my guy. You caught legend.
We love Dano as well. That's the most fascinating offseason situation that I'm looking at.
That one's crazy, man. What do you think happens? What do you think happens? I mean, in my opinion, you have to at minimum franchise and try and hold on.
You can't take a guy that's going 14-2, possibly number one overall seed. I don't think they can franchise.
I assume there are no franchise. I asked somebody that rule, and they said they could so well maybe i legitimately i think it's all dependent upon how it's negotiated well it's 40 it's 40 43 million is the number anyway so if you're going to pay him like i think you have to try and run it back this it is way too damn hard to find a quarterback that fits what you want to do that can be successful in this league i think you have to try and hold on to that guy it's proven successful i would much rather bird in the hand versus two in the bush if jj mccarthy comes in and he makes you forces you to make a change and you overspent fine but you can't like like you could have the number one seed right here in the first round by you're telling me you don't want to run that back even if like i don't know that's tough man a bird in the hand as opposed to two in the bush.
Potential will get your ass fired.

That's what J.J. Watt just said right there.

Hey, we know it's possible if J.J. is able to just pick it up as quick as possible

or maybe we find another guy that's been around the block a few times,

sign him to a one-year deal, run it back,

because Kevin O'Connell can draw a place for anybody.

Justin Jefferson can catch the rock from anybody.

Addison's a weapon. TJ's obviously a monster.
Is B-Flow going to be a head coach somewhere? Ooh, potentially. He could be.
You think? Because $43 million is franchise tag for a quarterback. These are your stats.
You just said that. Have we found out of Sam Darnold? I just looked it up.
Albert Breer wrote an article on the 27th and the title was, for Vikings and Sam Darnold, the franchise tag makes sense. Okay, is possible 43 million would be a win you would think with how sam donald has played thus far because you said i wonder i had the same question you had like i don't i was like a one-year deal i'm not sure that you can i asked somebody and they said you could but i it does feel strange doesn't it yeah well especially you should be able to negotiate that out of your deal i think if you're signing because this is what like his third deal he'd be signing right because did carolina end up being uh yeah he got i mean it was like two years 20 million or something right i think it's very pretty similar to the one he signed with the vikings and then nine you have to figure there's also not a lot of one-year deals that they think the franchise tag is ever going to come into play because why would you be on a one-year deal if you could potentially be making 43 the next year you can negotiate the tag out of your deal though i think right because you can trade you can negotiate trade out you can negotiate it out like dak did it brady did it but i think you got to have the leverage like they had where they were putting up massive numbers and so 10 million bucks plus we get a franchise tag option because if they have one franchise tag option it actually means do they get two franchise tag options on a one-year deal oh yeah you would have to imagine right so wild so then that's an increase of what 20 from your previous year i'm spewing a lot of things i don't know a lot about it so that'd be like 50 million it'd be 43 million there's a headline 50 million ish the next year So he would technically sign a three-year, $103 million deal is what these three years would be if he was to do the math.
I'm surprised 43 is the number. Feels like it should be much higher.
What is the average of the top five? Salaries, not the bonuses, though. I think it's just top five.
Salaries at the position of the last five years. I believe they might have changed it over the last...
I got franchise tanked so a lot of kicker bonuses take place. Those aren't in it conveniently enough.
Not a lot of salaries, the punters and kickers. This is what you're going to make.
$2.4 million. Deal.
To kick a ball? I will sign that. Shouldn't have signed it that quick I guess.
Everybody else holds out a little bit. I I didn't know that I heard I was going to become a millionaire guaranteed I fucking signed it went to Canada, celebrated, then found out wow this guy's grossly underpaid that was me that's kind of the franchise tag in a nutshell Kirk Cousins used it to his advantage whenever he was with Washington at the time it was the Redskins.
At the time. That is correct.
He is the franchise tag king. Absolutely crushed it.
Crushed it. And Vinatieri also, I think, got a franchise tag three years straight up in New England.
Then they had to change the rule. He can only do it two times.
But if a one-year deal could become a three-year deal with two franchise tags, that feels weird, doesn't it? I think I'm going to go back to my phone, and there's going to be somebody explaining to me that either I'm an idiot or, yeah, it is weird. Probably never happened before.
I think you have to. Either way, no matter what it is.
I'm FaceTiming a general manager right now randomly. Let's see if they answer.
It'd probably be the first time ever where a player on a one-year deal got a tag. Hey, we're live! We're live! We're live! We're live! We're live.
Hey. Hey.
This is exciting. Would Sam be a free agent after the season? Could other teams make offers? Yeah, that's the other thing.
There's no way the Vikings will pay him. Yeah, though.
Anybody can pay him. Someone's going to give him a billion dollars.
Yeah, they'll give him a massive deal when multiple teams are bidding for him. Yeah, I feel like it would be talked about more.
Weird spot. You're right, Jage.
Weird spot. Has to be the first time ever that somebody won your deal franchise take.
Who are you talking to? Both of you guys pointing at me. Oh, you're pointing at me.
Vamp. You know that you heard Vamp? Jage, you ever hear that in the broadcast just talking like i'm like why do you let's just just tell me so everything you just said franchise tag is possible obviously this is an abnormal situation the second year franchise tag is 20 more than what that year is and there are some contracts that have no tag clauses in them, but obviously that's a part of the negotiation up in the front end of that.
That person also said, would be wild if a one-year deal became a three-year deal with two franchise tags in the entire thing. I don't think I've ever seen that point.
But I'd franchise them. If I can spend $43 million to possibly get the number one seat again, no doubt.
And what else do you do? What else do you do, Jage? What else do I do? You punt that decision to next year. That's right.
You don't even have to fucking make it. Oh, yeah.
Let's go ahead and take that thing the next year. We'll see you then.
$43 million, that's good. Deal.
Fully guaranteed. Deal.
Had fun here, right? Probably could get 50 on the market somewhere, but take a $7 million hit here for guarantee we have a good time,

and then we'll see where we are next year,

and then maybe we can learn more about JJ.

That's the move, J.J.

Yeah.

That's the move.

It does make for a tough offseason, there's no doubt,

because JJ McCarthy's going to be healthy,

and he's going to be out there splitting it,

and people are going to say, I mean, that's...

Storing love.

I don't think it matters.

I think you take the guy that took you, whatever it is, if they do end up getting the one seed, and that is your guy, especially when you look at that locker room, the way that they're celebrating, the way that they love him right now. Also, give just an insane amount of credit to Kevin O'Connell.
The guy clearly knows what he's doing. Also, let's talk about how coaching matters more than just about anything.
Coaches, it's... One of the things that I asked Mike Tomlin in our production meeting before the Christmas game was, if you were hiring a head coach in today's atmosphere, would you be offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, CEO type? And he was like, in today's world, has to be an offensive mind, has to be a guy that's an offensive mind because the quarterback's the most.
So it was really, that was a really interesting take from a notoriously defensive guy. Wow.
That's a big piece of information right there. Especially because I thought it was coming back to Culture Center being the head coach.
That's why I thought it was kind of swinging in that direction because I think there's a couple places that are like, if Vrabel's available, let's make sure we get Vrabel in here because he will. Oh, yeah.
Boy, does that piss me off.

Why does that piss you off?

J.J. Watt pisses you off?

No, no, no.

What did he say?

Quarterback's the most.

We had fucking Matt Canada hanging around for three years.

That was the guy.

You are hot.

Son of a bitch. What did you just wipe off with a dude wipe? Notes.
See the ball throw Kenny yesterday? What's that, buddy? See the ball throw Kenny Peggy yesterday? I saw that. I saw that.
That's what you wrote down there. That's what you wrote down there.
It's pretty wrote down there it's pretty good it took him for a walk oh my god that was the note you put down you got the other angle right which yeah of course there is no that's the only angle of course you got the other dude because i got thrown for a loop there i sent it to my buddy like my brothers and i was like dude this is crazy what the hell happened and like it was the perfect flag it's around the world before whatever truth gets his pants on and i saw the other i was like oh i'm an idiot what other rank what are you talking about what are you talking about there's another angle i feel bad i've been i've been on that man i know what that feels like that's the worst when like you just There's times where you look like an idiot and you don't have to look like an idiot. He's not looking like an idiot.
It's football. He's been spinning over there.
McKee comes in and spins it. They pushed him.
It's almost like anyone can spin it. A little bit too high.
What's that? It's almost like anyone can spin it over there.

What, are you talking about in Philadelphia?

Yeah, Tanner McKee comes in, ice cold,

just tosses two tutty snacks.

Yeah, but McKee, we know. I'm worried

about potentially seeing him around one of the playoffs.

McKee? Yeah. Well, I

love that Big Dom got his football back.

Because I heard McKee potentially

wasn't going to be able to sleep at night if he didn't get his football

back. A.J.
Brown, hell of a throw too. I mean, like, to his credit, yep, sees it, eyes it.
Oh, fuck that guy. Fucking launches that thing.
I mean, that was the guy's first ever touchdown. Oh, no.
Oh, no. Oh, no.
Oh, no. He took a lot of time to think about the throw, too.
It wasn't an immediate punt into the stands. He took a couple seconds.
He had a couple moments to think and still yucked it up there. Big Dom says, hey, bud, yeah, he gets you a jersey.
Okay, we'll get it after the game. Okay, get it right now.
Need that ball back now, though. Okay, need you to give me that ball back.
Yep, yep, yep. We got you.
We got you. No big problem here.
Love that Big Dom is the guy that's negotiating with the fan. Big Dom is obviously a consultant to ownership, general manager.
He's a sideline obviously executor. Anybody gets on the sideline, he's going to deal with it.
And then also he is a fan negotiator for situations that could occur. Remember Tom Brady, Mike Evans had a similar situation down in Tampa.
It became a big to-do. McKee's first touchdown, we assume, is going to become a multi-million dollar ball, but you never know.
Never know. Never know with what McKee's going to become.
And instead, A.J. Brown signs a jersey for him.
Nobody tries to steal it. Shout out to Philly getting it right here.
Seems like Philly does it right here. Yeah.
Way to go, Philly. Absolutely.
There you go. Nobody ever says that about Philly.
No. This type of situation, as soon as A.J.
Brown tosses that shirt, this is what people would say about Philly, not us, obviously. Shoes that thing takes out pocket knife snatch in half rips that thing sprints for the exit other person has it whoa shut up punk jackson off his fight see he's out of there finds its way in there somehow somebody does step on poop a human's poop on the way out of there that's what people say about philly yes i don't think it's right because obviously they handled that with the most amount of chivalry I think that you could possibly have.
Shout out to Philadelphia. Shout out to Philadelphia.
We almost made it. I thought maybe on a Monday we wouldn't have any feces discussion.
I thought that was a Wednesday only and here we are again. Here we are again.
Philadelphia.

Some John over there ate horse poop after a Super Bowl.

Do we have footage of that?

That can't be real.

It didn't come out of a cup, but it was

poop.

It was poop.

You know when a Pope kisses the ground?

It was like that.

Same thing pretty much.

I wonder if the Pope ever was forced to kiss the ground and had a little poop on it or something like that. And I wonder if he goes, no, not today.
I don't have the story here. Somebody filmed it.
What the hell are you talking about? So the Pope kisses the ground? I think that's one of the Popes. No, I know that.
I know that. I'm talking about it.
All right. What are you talking about?

You're talking about after the Super Bowl, Philadelphia,

whenever they won a Super Bowl, they had to grease the poles, remember?

Because they didn't want people to... No, who ate horse poop?

Some John over there.

Off the ground, like the Pope.

Super fan.

Some John, some Philadelphia Eagles fan, ate horse poop

because came out and said that they would do it if the Eagles won a Super Bowl.

And then, lo and behold, the dogs were barking.

Hold up, wait a minute.

They do it.

And then they have to eat the poop off the ground. That's Philadelphia's Philadelphia Eagles football I mean that's the way those Philadelphians are they will support their team till death but if you stink at all or give any indication that you stink it's over it is over they got high expectations over there for good reasons I love the way they settled different than Indy that's what I'm saying like if any of the shit that happened in indy was to happen in i don't know pittsburgh philadelphia new england anywhere you name it like this wouldn't have you know i'm with you man i'm i'm i'm with you i came from that era where like if you stunk or you lost and you even didn't interview the following week or like You were roasted.
If you posted on Twitter or Instagram, it was over. Your fans would destroy you, much less now it's a podcast, it's everything.
All right. I mean, I'm...
Do what you got to do. Build your brand.
I understand you got to build your brand. Do what you have to do.
Do your business. Think about your next job at your current job.
That's smart. I did it.
Listen, who would I i be to say that but it's just like the way they handle everything it's like you guys haven't won nothing everybody else in the afc south has won that's a stat i just learned crazy i didn't need to hear that wild but i'm happy we got in now unless cj's playing in the super bowl obviously which is possible with texans they can get hot they get uh aziz al shair back back, which could be a big momentum swing for that Houston Texans team in the playoffs. He'll stop by hopefully Super Bowl Radio Row, and then he'll just say something like, hey, can somebody search the last time the Colts have won anything? And then he gets pulled up, and it's like, 10 years? That's what I learned.
Right in C.J. Stroud's fate.
10 years ago. 11.
His last year was 10.

Oh, yeah.

Damn.

I got cool shoes on, though.

I fucking won that.

Oh, yeah.

Nice.

You see that?

Yeah.

Those are great.

See that number right there?

Boom.

I just want to, before we end this, I just want to get a full grasp on the situation.

11.

You are moving forward with the exact same scenario into next season if you are in charge of the Colts. Me? Yeah.
Buddy, I've already laid out plans to the boys. I don't know if we're going to have enough players to field a team next year for fucking week one with the way I would kind of go.
Coach, GM, all staying the same. What? I'm asking.
I wasn't here for that part. Is that what you got from that tweet? Yeah.
Do some journalism, buddy. All right.
Jesus Christ. Snoop around just a little bit, right? Just snoop around just a tiny little bit, James.
All right? Well, you said during my segment, you said I don't think you can change it up because you don't want to change one and not the other. I don't think they will.
I said, I don't think they will. I think I don't.
All right. And by they, we don't even know who's making the decision.
Like, that was my. That's the thing.
Who's in charge? I legitimately don't know. Ash, maybe John Mellon can.
Maybe. Shit, it might be.
We have no idea. Blue? That's why I asked.
I said, hey, Blue's salute service award. What they might just say.
Dude, we've said a lot of preposterous things that is very very high up there with some of the most preposterous stuff ever said on the show yeah you should see what it was announced nobody really knew what it was because they made the announcement pretty quick you know they made it they kind of like snuck it in and out there but as somebody that has like tried to you know really give back this community is a military community like like just tried my best to be a part of it and like it's kind of just a natural thing whenever they announce this year salute to service award winner is i was actually like kind of pumped to see who it was and then look blue comes out blows his nose of course he did i'm like all right okay it blew me making a mockery of the whole thing? A little bit. Blue is good.
No, I agree. I agree.
I agree. Blue is good.
That's great. But I'm just saying, like, service military, like.
Yep. Man.
That is insane. A little bit of a mockery.
It's not a mockery. Embarrassed him a little bit.
It's tough. We fact-checked that.
It's true. It's true.
Wasn't blue a staff sergeant in the arm? All right. Jake, we appreciate the hell out of you.
Thanks for really coming on today. Hope you enjoyed your fucking popcorn.
Hope you had a blast, Jake. It did look really good.
Guys, have a great day. Enjoy Pasadena.
That would be awesome. AJ, good luck to your boys.
I've sat on one of you guys this week, so it's going to be another 10 days until I see you hopefully a lot of fun exciting things happen see you then all right it'll be after it'll be after black monday uh whoa yes it will easy yes it will james who knows what happens that day oh okay you're talking about when all the f it, got it. Yeah.
So we'll know what's going on.

All right.

I can't wait to see you. I'll have my popcorn ready.
Who knows? Maybe you changed the whole world up there. All you.
100%. All right.
Don't put that. Ladies and gentlemen, Jay.
Thanks, Jay. Thanks, Jay.
Can't wait to see you. Happy New Year, Jay.
We'll see you next year. We'll see you next year.
Oh, yeah. JJ Wynne.
Oh, shit. Give him back.
Hey, everybody calling you JJ Wynne in your life now? Yeah. That was so funny.
That was good. I was cracking up that Coach Saban saw that like the when i heard coach saban say talk about the skit i was like what listen having coach saban look at his phone and watch that two minutes would crack me up we we showed it to him right before that clip so what you saw him talking about came immediately after showing him the clip we saw his face just like your face is right here on this wall we saw his face the entire time he smiled at a couple things but there wasn't any big pops i think he was very flustered on where this was headed you know like that was immediately upon getting on the he was he was i think i think shane gillis just in general got him a little like he's not used to it was that was good television that was good television he did not like that at all your commercial was good commercial great that was fantastic it was fun they did they did a great job went out there to chester pennsylvania um went out there it's such a cool setup and the way that he does it and the way that his crew and staff and everybody is just had a lot of fun just flew out there real quick did it and uh they they were hilarious great to work with shane's obviously hilarious best commercial of the day for all the netflix shit no doubt you know they're promoting everything that's the best commercial of the day you were part of it how'd you feel in the booth i thought you did good thank you i i appreciate it i love the booth i really enjoyed it you get the, you get the stadium atmosphere, you get the vibe, you get the unexpectedness of the game.
I really enjoyed it. I mean, I literally had people in my mentions saying that I was all over the Chiefs and I love the Chiefs too much.
Why am I talking so good about the Chiefs? And then I had people in my mentions saying, wow, can you tell that his brother's on one of these two teams? He loves the Steelers so so you didn't learn very quickly what it's like about being a broadcaster i think i did it properly so i had a lot of fun nine eagle is the greatest nate did a great job

it was fun yeah that's what you're looking for right there buddy you either pissed off both

people or made both people happy that's all you can ask for we thought you did great and uh nate

looks so cool yeah he looks so cool velvet great. He looks so cool.
Velvet. Great red velvet.
Looked exactly like Santa's sash. It was a beautiful suit.
Nate, one thing I'll never, ever do in my life is outdress Nate Brills. Anything else you think you ever think in your life? Anything else you'll never do in your entire life? How about squirrel suit dive off the side of a cliff? You know those things? I wouldn't put that as a no for life that could be fun in the right scenario what's the right scenario there yeah uh safe safe uh landing vr yeah water water i've done on virtual reality it is water nervous there at the top you do i believe you hit water at 700 miles an hour No, isn't that the whole point of the suit? Is that you come in, glide for a nice easy landing Then drop your parachute Not if you hit a mountain first Yeah, the issue is the mountain that you just jumped off of Because there's a little bit of a breeze sometimes The only safe scenario is if you have nothing left Yeah, that's the point I'm saying, I need somewhere where I can get away from the mountain.

Aren't these squirrel suits like where you just glide down?

Yeah.

You can go anywhere in the world.

They go through the mountains.

Those guys go through the mountains really close.

You can turn that songbitch sideways, too, like you're a fighter jet, I think.

Yep.

They pop smoke in the back, too, so it looks cool.

Yeah, definitely smoke.

Maybe what color would you – what smoke?

Red, obviously. You put red, or would you put up the Clarets color right there behind you? Ooh, that would be a nice color.
That would be a nice color going through. I actually think the blue would be nice.
Oh, what the hell. What's that? Can I turn that off? No.
Why doesn't it thumbs up? They're watching. There's a lot of things that Apple's been doing and these things that I'm about done with.
What they do to you guys is photo albums in the new phone. Oh, it's so stupid.
I heard it changed completely. You got the new phone? No, it's not the new phone.
Do you not have an iPhone? I haven't done the update. I haven't done the update.
It was a normal library, but now at the bottom, it's like recent days. The memories are kind of nice, actually.
Okay. It's fully ran by AI now, so it categorizes everything.
The memories are really nice. Okay, nice.
I can't wait for that. I had somebody say, it's crop, what they're doing.
They put slideshows together for you. It's actually really nice.
Who said that? It wasn't me. I think I got no issues with the album.
Tim Abel. It sounded like it could have been me.
Tim Abel fucking up the photos. I got a lot of issues with a lot of things, but that's not one of them.
The photo album, the first day, you were definitely not happy about it. Definitely.
Tom's got the best IG game. I mean, he's got a great IG.
Thank you, JD. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a code red for Ty Schmidt.
Obviously, it's a holiday season. This could be from anything.
Let's keep a look at the clock. It's 255-45 on my clock.
Over or under 45 wipes. Under.
That was so disgusting that you started that. And then you acted like it was okay whenever age said 100 wipes.
And then he cut it down to 50, then to 40. You were like, yeah, that's normal.
And then dig, same thing. You guys got real problems.
You're pooping in your hands. Have you guys heard that? You're acting like it's an everyday.
You're talking about a once a year occurrence. Once a year? 45 wipes? First of all, this was like the main topic when I was down on the field before the game in Pittsburgh.
This was like, I had multiple people bringing this up to me.

They were like, Jage, this morning, over under 15 wipes.

I'm like, dude, this is not, I don't want this to be,

I got JJ Watt and I've got a hundred wipes.

It's not great.

But it's a once a year, like shit just gets a little sideways.

Like it's just crazy.

You're not walking out with sideways.

How old are you? There's a lot of people out there on the same side as me and. You're not walking out sideways.
How old are you? How old are you?

There's a lot of people out there on the same side as me and AJ.

Yeah, there isn't.

How old are you?

35.

35 times this guy's used at least 45 wipes.

What a freak.

What a fucking psycho.

You cannot tell me that you're walking away from 100% in your entire life, 10 and under.

I will say yes. 100% chance.
10 and under my whole life. I will say, if I get to 6 or 7, I'm like, God damn.
What is the problem? Yeah, I got to sit back down. I got to sit back down.
7 is a lie. I am not lying.
You guys got problems with your tush. I'm telling you, this is you this is not good I'm with you Pat I'm scratching my head hearing this number from these guys I'm going to take a video you're talking about after one of your pizza hut days here where you guys are crushing 10-15 slices of pies the next day you're telling me it all comes out roses, smooth, easy? No, but what are you talking, 45 wipes? You could wipe your whole fucking body one time completely clean with 45.
Are you going brand new toilet paper every time, too? This is a follow-up question. You're going brand new every time? AJ, am I solo on this? You're the one that said 100.
Give me a little backup. Well, I mean, I was asked a question.
I I'm saying if it happened with me, it was the 40 or 50 situation. It was younger.
Definitely not once a year, but yeah, I'm saying it has happened back in the day when it may be in my back and down, man. Between 10 to 15.
No, that's what I said back when I was younger. 45 times you're pulling out.
Let me get in there and we're going in for another round.'s not saying it's everyday why did Chris Pratt say that brown marker joke like that is the it was a comedy wasn't it yeah but that was it wasn't actually on the show he was talking like in real life. I'm worried about you guys.

Speaking of worried, we're coming up on three minutes since Ty has exited.

This is not a number one code red.

This is a number two code red, clearly.

Will he dude wipe himself with some dingle bells or has the season passed?

That's a decision that we're going to have to find out and wait for his post-dump presser.

Jage, your thought about the game tonight? It's a big one. Lions taking on the Niners.
Nothing on the line, Jage. Nothing.
Lions lose by 50. They still will be playing for the number one seed in the NFC next week against the Minnesota Vikings.
Lions win by 50, which is possible. It means absolutely nothing.
They'll still be playing for the number one seed next week. And the Niners are out regardless.
Nobody thought this season was going to go the way it has gone for the Niners. Excited for them to reload this offseason and come back better than ever next year.
J.J., how do you see this game going? It's a really tough one. I'm actually very interested to see how they play it out.
I am personally of the belief that you either go all out and play as a perfectly normal situation or you rest your guys completely and let them get

ready for next week.

I don't like the middle ground situations where you just kind of see how it

goes and then take guys out.

But I mean, the Lions are the Lions.

They're very beat up, obviously, but they're still just a juggernaut.

They know how to score.

They know how to run the ball.

The Niners hasn't gone anywhere remotely close to what people thought. I'm very confused confused and I don't even know what to think about them going into next year now um but I think I think the Lions still.
Jage likes the Lions minus three and a half on the road here on Monday Night Football biggest game of the year happening next Sunday night just six days away for this Detroit Lions team Darius J Butler nine-year NFL vet do you like the Lions minus three and a half or the Niners getting points at home? No, I do not. I'm going with the Niners to cover in this one just because of the uncertainty.
What's going on with them? Would you sit everybody? I mean, I would play them just because I feel like that's who Dan Campbell is. But at the same time, they've been so ravaged by injuries.

And then you down and back as well.

So, like, how much do you play Gibbs?

Yep.

So, I mean, it's tough.

It's tough.

That's why I'm going Niners.

You said you'd sit him, James?

I think I would.

Next time I'm sitting here thinking about it, I think I would.

Five minutes in and out.

Code Red averted.

We are now back to green flag racing.

What's the number?

Congratulations, Ty Schmidt.

I assume he used his dude wipes in there,

so he's not going to be able to reach a 45 or 50 number

that J.J. Watt reaches once a year

whenever he takes a massive dump.

This is getting spun to me.

This was an aging thing. Stop spinning it to me.
You're giving more information. You're giving more information out.
We're learning more. The follow-ups.
Yeah, we're learning more about that's journalism. The Stonehenge over there is quiet.
He's not standing. Oh, nice.
You asked me the question. You asked me the question, I gave you an answer.
I know, and you said 100. So why am I getting...
I dropped it down. Well, because you said once a year you do a 45, and you skipped work last week.
you remember? Oh, yeah. He had to do the entire Christmas game thing.
So we haven't had a chance to chat with you. We've talked to AJ already.
You weren't on on Christmas Day. Yeah.
Never was going to be. I said skip it.
I had great Christmas. How many dude wipes did you use? That's a good question.
What? Ty, what happened there? Code red, you almost dumped your pants, or what happened? Very close to shitting my pants. I took, you know, usually I don't wait for the in-between hour two and hour three to take a dump because we just don't got that kind of time.
We just don't. Sometimes, you know, we're going to go a little bit earlier.
Sometimes we're going to take our time. Today, I had no choice.
I said I'm going to have to, I haven't taken a dump in like two three days sorry what what what yeah traveling it always happens after you know congratulations i guess getting that out of you that's way worse than the white barrel i think so i i said today yes you know what i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to get shake shack and i'm gonna have to force it out i'm gonna have to fucking really yeah just kind of let loose And it was just nasty Sludge Yeah exactly Tough football in there Not the type of dump you want to be taking But that's why If I had toilet paper and not nude wipes in there How many wipes do you think If you had to toilet paper? Toilet paper? Well, it's

just so messy

that it's just not something you want to.

But, you know, dude wipes,

I think. Just slopping it around.

About five wipes. Five

dude wipes? Yep. Oh my god, that

is a. No, five wipes with

the dude wipe. With one dude wipe.

Correct.

Five dude wipes.

Flush a brick. Wait a second.
Hold on. You wiped and then you re-wiped with the same dude wipe four more times? Four more times is tough.
I don't know how I got there, but at least two more you could get. Two more.
With the same wipe? Fold that thing in half. How much weight do you guys have coming out of your bus? You guys are using the same wipe? You gotta fold that in half one time.
You wipe it once and throw it in. You don't fold it? You gotta fold it clean up.
The folded dude wipes back and clean up in here. No wonder you're going through a full roll of toilet paper every time you take it.
What is with you guys What is wrong with you guys You don't fold You don't You guys have so much So you wipe your ass, you pull it out Look at your shit Fold it and then go back in Not as egregious as that It's a clean up This is going to sound And I think it'll explain why I was so mind blown. I'm a one, two wipe guy.
Whole life. That's it.
I think it's admirable in my butthole to be that way. I'm learning that you guys are doing 45 to 50 of them.
You're very lucky. When you talk about dude wipes, that's a fucking easy how you doing, keep it moving situation.
45? I'm holding it over five times. You're going to origami with your dude wipe? I don't know how you do it five times.
Now, that is an extension of the dude wipe. It's straight butt piss, gentlemen.
I'm not talking about fucking thick clumps of poop in there. I was pissing out of my asshole.
So you just do it a couple times, and it's clean.

So, AJ, have you made your pick yet?

D-Butch is on the Niners plus three and a half.

JJ's on the Lions minus three and a half.

JJ also, I think the 45 wipe thing is happening once a month,

not once a year.

That's what I'm starting to say. I got to go wipe my son's ass.

He's awake. I got to.
All my son's ass. He's awake.

I got to.

All right.

Good luck, Dad.

Thank you, James.

Great exit for him.

I'll take the lines.

Me too.

All right.

That's the show.

What a day today.

What a day.

We did good today, I think.

Oh, yeah.

The more we learn, the more befuddled we get.

Boy.

Oh, shit. We got overreaction tweets.
I completely forgot. Need to do these.
Sent out a tweet this morning saying, Good morning, beautiful people. A lot has happened.
I can't wait to hear your thoughts about your football team. Why don't you make a post and utilize...
Hashtag, I don't want to overreact. But it ended up being the number two overall trend on X in the United States of America.
We appreciate everybody for participating. It is so much fun and so cool to scroll through those.
The number one trend was a guy who died at 100, former president Jimmy Carter. Carter.
Absolutely. Rest in peace.
Love peanuts. 100 years old.
He did love peanuts. He was a peanut eater.
He was potentially the guy to say, hey, Texas Roadhouse, peanuts. All of them.
Throw them all over the place. We're not 100% sure, but he lived to 100.
Holy shit. Way to go.
Beat the game. Rest in peace.
He was the number one friend on the United States. His ex number two is hashtag I don't want to overreact.
But. It's from Boston Connor.
Hashtag I don't want to overreact. But.
The Patriots have the best situation for a new staff in front office in the history of the NFL. Number one pick, most cap space in the NFL, franchise rookie quarterback.
He was a fun experience this year. But glory must be restored to New England.
And glory comes with 25 packs of SIGs and unlimited logs of dip. That's Mike Vrabel.
Sounds like Con Man. You're all in on Vrabes coming back home.
Yeah, I am. This would be an overreaction, though.
I would classify it as that. I still think that there are legs to the Mayo era.
I did not think about the Schefter scenario, about the Bills losing on purpose so that the Patriots win. I still am not sure if the Patriots can win with another team losing on purpose, if that is possible.
But I still have some faith. Although, if it does end ugly and Mayo does get fired, it wouldn't be the worst case scenario for Mike Vrabel or Ben Johnson to come in.
I don't know if you ordered enough logs of Dib. Have his own farm.
Yeah, you're right. I don't know.
Maybe it's possible. They can open it up.
And you forgot vapes too, right? He's a vaper. Yeah, vapes in Massachusetts don't do too well just because of the rules there now, but you can go up to New Hampshire.
Oh, you can't vape in Massachusetts? You can, but you don't get all the cool flavors. There's a lot of teams that are going to want Vrabel's services.
I think you should know you can't vape up there. You can.
I just don't know what flavor. He's not a flavor guy.
Yeah, if he's a menthol, tobacco guy, then he's fine, which I assume he is. What a dog, Vrabel.
His contract with the Cleveland Browns is up today, I believe. It was reported, A.J.
Hawk? Yeah. I mean, Braves is an absolute hot commodity.
I do wonder where he could land, but the Patriots job, yeah, I don't think it could happen, but it would not shock me if he is named the Patriots coach eventually. He's in the Patriots ring of honor, right? Yeah.
Loves New England. Got the red jacket.
Red jacket. Love that red jacket.
Yeah. Who gives a shit? Give the job.
Happy Gilmore 2 is coming out. It is.
Let's go to the next overreaction. It's from Gumpy.
Hashtag I don't want to overreaction. But after starting the season two and six, the Dolphins have fought tooth and nail to stay lurking in the playoff hunt.
Got to our business against the jets and we're a carl wentz master class away from a chance to break the 24-year drought see in the playoffs hashtag go fins gumption on overreaction i cannot express the roller coaster this season has been but the fight that this team has shown has been actually incredible. They were dead at 2-6, going into Los Angeles, play the Rams on Monday night, win that game.
They've kept winning. They've fought.
So I am proud of this Dolphins team, whether we make the playoffs or not. Huntley looked a lot better against the Browns than he did earlier in the year.
The two-stuff's worrisome. Yeah.
Two-stuff's worrisome. It kind of came out of nowhere in my eyes.
I didn't expect it. Whenever I turned on the game and Huntley was playing, I was like, what did I miss? I go back through to add a hip.
Same hip that he had surgery on, which was the Bo Jackson injury. Modern advances in science got him back to playing sport where Bo Jackson was not.
Hopefully, he's okay. Let's go to the next overreaction.
It's from Chris C at C2. You can C1, or you see two like chris c yeah is that like the classes what's that the c2 classes you guys have those or no oh you're talking about um cutting metal no no no never mind there's like honors classes there's c1 classes and then there were c2 classes in my area are those dumb yeah yeah that's why i thought that name was awesome.
Okay, so Chris, potentially, we're not 100% sure.

Hashtag I don't want to overreact,

but Rahim Morris is not a head coach

and should never get the chance again.

Two-minute drill timeouts as coach in 101.

Sucked at Tampa Bay.

Was the assistant head coach for 28-3.

Completely fumbled this whole season.

Bro, ain't it?

And Arthur Blank, a card. Who's going to let it happen Jeez, Luis, C2 bringing an A-bomb to this guy.
What happened here? Was this a lot of Atlanta reaction? Yeah, a lot of people who were done with Rahim, unfortunately. I don't necessarily get it, but that was most of the sentiment today.
Penix comes in, has a couple good balls. I think he's a guy.
He had to score, had to walk down the field, had to make a throw to score with less than a minute, and he did. I think he checked all the boxes of being a guy.
Kirk Cousins in uniform on the sideline, hands in pocket. Interesting.
Just kind of watch it all unfold. It looked weird.
But then Jaden Daniels does what I think Jaden Daniels is going to do going forward. I actually put out a tweet after that game.
It was like, future NFL is a good spot. Future NFL is in a real good spot with those two.
I guess Atlanta says we need to be in a new spot. Can't blame them.
Here we go to the next one. This one's from Patrick Wilson at Pop-a-Pump OC.
Okay. Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Chargers put the league on notice Saturday.
Justin, the second coming. Herbert and the rest of his squad are following the greatest head coach of our time, the promised land.
And there is nothing Patty Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or even Taylor Swift can do. I don't know if Papa Pump wants to go ahead and fucking spark up that tree, the Taylor Swift one, but that Chargers win was awesome to watch, H.
I mean, Justin Herbert, I love watching it do, but man, you can't give Harbaugh enough credit for this team, what he's able to do in under a year it's just he's changed everything and there's hope now for a long time this is him after the game in the locker room credit goes all you guys players coaches mostly the players though most of the players though and then he he gave uh a couple more wise words of wisdom and he said man it feels good to run let's give everybody a Let's give everybody a high five. Fucking everybody starts having fun.
And then to you players, for he's a jolly good fellow. For he's a jolly good fellow.
For he's a jolly good fellow. Which nobody can't deny.
And then he goes right into, who's got it better than us? Nobody. All right, right.
Walk it off. It's like, Jim Harbaugh is awesome.

You knew it.

You seen it.

You said it, D. Butch.

I don't want to put you on the, oh, just like I fucking said it would,

train, but for the Chargers, you were very early on.

Yeah, Justin Herbert, I think we all saw his talent,

talented enough to make me a fan of the team.

And so you knew all he needed was a head coach

and an organization kind of behind him. They brought in, obviously, Harbaugh and his culture.
We've been talking about culture all day long. We saw his culture firsthand in Michigan, what they were able to do, him coming back to the NFL, getting his team on track, bringing Jesse Mentor over on the defensive side.
They've been great all year long. So they got all the pieces to not only compete now, but the future is very, very bright for the Chargers.
All right, let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Ivar at the underscore scalds. What's that mean? Is that a reference to something? I don't know.
I thought that was just like some Icelandic Viking shit. Okay, it looks very Viking-y.
Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Vikings are a team of destiny. Sam Donald is the MVP.
KOC is the coach of the year. We're going to win on Sunday and take the number one seed and the bye.
And then we're going to get blown out at home. Skull Vikings.
Hashtag always the bridesmaid. Never the bride.
What's that all about, AJ? I don't know. I mean, honestly, I was thinking about this earlier when I saw Sam Donald and how fun it was in the locker room and how we've championed this guy and how he's revamped his career.
I hope Sam is enjoying the ride because sometimes it does end in the playoffs pretty quickly. So I hope no matter what happens in the playoffs, Sam Darnold is still awesome and he's still had a great year.
That is the crazy thing about the playoffs. Biggest, most important game, most heightened environment, and it's all over tomorrow if we lose.
Escald is a composer and reciter of poems honoring heroes and their deeds. In this particular case, Ivar was talking about this particular Vikings group of heroes.
A lot of Vikings fans with a realistic view on things like this, or no? I'd say there were more than I expected, just because the Vikings are potentially going to be the number one seed. But it was split between that and, like, why aren't we talking about Sam Darnold for MVP? Legit.
He's on Tone's watch list. Now, Tone had Joe Burrow on before a lot of other people because of the history we were watching with Joe Burrow.
Becomes first quarterback with eight straight games of something, something, something, forever, forever, better than everybody ever in history. Yeah, 250 yards and three touchdowns.
And watching him with what Zach Taylor decided to do. Brown goes down at the one-yard line.
Sprains his ankle. Light sprain.
He'll be back, they say. They had the opportunity to just kneel it out from the one.
Now, you would do that, I guess, if you didn't trust the kicker was going to make the kick, and he would go on to miss a 35-yarder, I think, in the next series. But on the one-yard line, right in the middle of the fucking field, like 19 yards, Cade could shank a 19-yarder you'd think would be able to go straight in straight in that was very ugly and obviously he thought it was very bad him getting up and walking off but like them choosing to score the next play I didn't fool that was very confusing I was so confused and it was like all right so one of your guys either thought to himself oh I should go down or was told he should go down and in the process he spra and you know what? Fuck this.
In vain. We're going to score on the next play.
It doesn't even matter. I guess you think your kicker's going to miss, but if you think he's going to miss a 20-yarder for the middle of the field, you guys aren't going to win any games anyways, if that's the person that's kicking for you.
Now, he would go on to miss, so I guess Zach Taylor would probably be able to say that, and the Bengals would inevitably win, but geez, when being made i was like this is the dumbest thing i've seen and i was pulling for the bangles at the time because the colts and all the teams that were lurking were like bangles we need you then sean payton not going for two i don't what are we yeah that was that was weird i didn't fully understand that either and then he came out and said well if we tied it meant we went in there's like, so you think there's going to be a whole nother quarter of Joe Burrow not scoring?

I don't.

A lot of decisions made there at the end of the game where it was like, what the fuck is happening?

But Bengals win.

And they gave a lot of us an opportunity to continue to cheer for our team.

So we appreciate that.

But that was wild.

They got to figure out making kicks, though.

Is Money Mac out for the year?

Yeah, I think so.

Damn.

Cade out of LSU, if you do recall. Huge leg.
Fucking monstrous leg. That's why when it hit that upright, it was so loud.
He hit that thing square. I mean, that was a fucking fool.
Yeah, we'll see. He got drafted to Cleveland.
Yeah. Yes.
And we talk about this cold weather with these college teams. I couldn't imagine an LSU dude just showing up in fucking Cleveland and being like, yeah you gotta kick here what is this oh it's the worst place ever not only because of here but also because where you're gonna play like everywhere you're gonna play is gonna suck cincinnati sucks cold windy it's on a river as well somehow you're on a lake here they're on a fucking river then we're gonna go pittsburgh what are they on fucking three rivers there's three rivers they're fucking on fucking on the rivers.
And Baltimore's got a fucking bay where it's coming in off the goddamn Atlantic. Everywhere you kick is going to be terrible.
So Cade got kind of baptized in that. Now he's on the Bengals, and it's like he has the ability.
He hit a game winner for him last week. And then this week he clanks that one.
A lot of it's mental, I think, whenever you get in that cold and windy. It was a bad day for the Bengals kickers, even of the past.
So at halftime in this game, do we play with Shane Graham? I know Shane Graham. Did he play here or no? Here? In Indy? No.
Okay, so halftime they had like a giveaway, pizza giveaway for the entire stadium. And I think it was three contestants maybe, and the last one faked an injury.
Out comes our guy guy Shane Craig. No way.
I think it's like a 20, maybe 30-yard field goal. Obviously, he's dressed as a civilian.
And boy, it did not go well. No way.
He missed all of them. Shaked.
One more chance. One more chance.
Another Shane. No.
I know Shane, too. I don't know where I crossed paths with him.
I don't know where it was. Shane's a good man.
Somebody brought this to my attention and I did a little research on it. Did you see what happened in Shane? Shane will make the next one.
And the one more kick chance get very loud, and it gets uncomfortable because of the amount of pressure that gets placed on the kicker. Obviously, we feel that every Saturday at college game day.
How about Jacksonville, Tennessee? Did you see the pregame? That was awesome. Oh, my God.
Jacksonville, Tennessee pregame. Oh, yeah.
It's in Jacksonville. Okay, this is – they got Jackson DeVille, also known as Jack's him, DeVille in a video game taking on Will Levis, okay, in a punch-out game.
That's going to beat Will's ass. You would think this is in Jacksonville.
Look at the crowd. 15 of them going mild at the whole entire thing.
They're watching it, and guess what happens inevitably? You nailed it. Knockout.
Not even a knockdown. Knockout.
Tennessee Titans. How you doing? Keep it moving.
That's in their fucking building. Imagine a coach dog walking out and going, are we doing here? Go back in the locker room boys Don't look up The end of the video there is right That's a Jacksonville cheerleader That was I think fighting for both sides there How in the fuck is it even possible For Jack's him to lose That That's tough.
It's not an option. It should not be an option.
Yeah, it should have been him versus Tony. No, just beat the shit.
Tony Khan should have been in there. Beat the shit out of Will.
Should have had no weapons. Will Levis should have not even known how to throw.
Maybe no arms, no legs. Just mat.
Make the motherfucker a mat. And Jack's him just steps.
Maybe it's like, maybe this is what Jack's him does. PDR.
The entire time. Yeah, maybe.
When I saw that, I was like, God damn. And we're going to lose to him this week.
We're going to lose to that team. Well, it doesn't matter anyways.
For any side. Win or lose.
Finish strong, boys. Island of irrelevancy.
They gave him 45 points to the Giants. Bounce back.
That must win. Drew Locke, though.
Big bounce back. Was there any overreactions about Drew Locke being the future of the NFL a couple hey we found our bridge quarterback bridge no I'm talking about future forever well there were a few like hey him and Malik Naver you do not want to see them the next couple years I've only seen them one time and they're I'll tell you they fucking can go alright let's go to another overreaction shall we this one's from Jordan at J Money Kearns.
This guy's a money guy. Hashtag, I don't want to overreact, but KOC and MCDC fucking own Matt LaFleur.
3-9 against the Vikes and Lions the last three years. Putting on a Guardian cap and letting AJ fuck me up in Oklahoma drill would be less painful than the Packers in the first half of games.
Packers are frauds. Ty, you go through these and pick these.
You picking a Packers one like that? Wow. What's that all about? It was a good overreaction because I wouldn't necessarily say they're frauds, but it is definitely concerning that they seemingly can't really beat the Vikings and the Lions because I don't think every single year the NFC North is going to be getting three teams in the playoffs.
But I think same deal. You know, young team.
They probably are about a year away.

And, you know, they kind of did it themselves.

Hey, you know, you want to be a contender.

Their gauntlet, if they were to, like, go to the Super Bowl,

oh, boy, is it going to be fucking tough.

So they kind of did it to themselves.

But we'll see.

They do.

They start so slow.

And then a lot of games against these good teams are the situation we saw yesterday where they're down, you know, 13 to in the fourth quarter with like six minutes left they score two quick touchdowns they end up you know they're down two and then i mean you know you pin it on the defense but like they had they have no chance to actually win the game so we'll see it looked a lot closer than it really was yesterday but um they're still young and they're still probably about a year two about a year out age that's what i. That's what I think about the Packers.
About a year out. About a year out.
Yeah, they gotta figure out how to win those big games. Everyone has to learn how to win.
The Packers, they're a good team. They know how to win, but you gotta find a way to put you over the hump in those big games that really matter.
I think they're doing it right, though, to be clear. But I do love that the Packers fans, one year or one week, ah, then big win happens.
It's like, wait a minute. Hold on.
And then a loss happens. It's like every time we play somebody, we suck.
So maybe next year. And then if you guys win here, going forward, holy shit, Jordan Love is way ahead of schedule.
Is it still Toyota-thon? Here we go in this entire thing, yada, yada, yada. And then I think like next year, I think it's Packers year.
That's why I try to keep it in perspective still is because like Jordan Love still hasn't, I mean, he's, he started like, you know, less than 30 games. Like he's still kind of figuring things out.
They're in a much better spot than a lot of teams in the league. So it's like, you know, well, you know, maybe not, I suppose.
But yeah, Colts are staring down a nice refresh. Ten years.
I was. What's that? Ten years refresh.
Oh, I was going to say, I was. You just hit a nice little reset on that.
Oh, yeah. Whole team.
Whole team. Whole building.
All right, everybody. Come on in.
Shut the doors. Put your phones down.
Comes in. We're going to be pumping some stuff in our room.
Somebody's coming around with like it's a boom box. And then you know that thing that's like that puts out fires? Bingo, yep.
They got one of those just. In the indoor facility? Pumping ayahuasca.
Don't care about football even less. No.
And they already do. No, somebody's going to be in there.
The person's going to push them to like football more. Oh, okay.
and care about football even less. No.
They already do. No, somebody's going to be in there.
The person's going to push them to like football more and care about it all. Maybe your team will try it out.
No, we don't need that. What do you need? We need some big boys.
We need some beef. You need some offensive line.
That's all we need. We just need beef.
Drake Mays is a dog. Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Trevor Cash at TCash176.
Hashtag I don't overreact, but fuck that. I'm overreacting.
I'm 35. Last time the commanders were this good, I was in diapers learning to walk.
Our Super Bowl window is now. Hashtag hail.
Hail to the commanders. Hail to the commanders.
to the commanders Left hand up were the commanders Good for them. They were in the pits of hell.
Laughing stock of laughing stocks. Cannot even talk about being a fan of the team because the first thing that's going to be brought up is a litany of bad things that have happened.
First thing could be anything anything oh your owner this your owner that your stadium's falling apart your team stinks you've got rid of this you have no name you have no fucking you ever boom boom boom boom boom new ownership comes in jayton daniels is your quarterback scary terry mclaurin and he get along just fine defense is balling cliff kingsbury dan quinn flip a thing it's like magic happens overnight seemingly for the for the Washington. Did you hear the chant last night? What was it? There was a Josh Harris chant in the stadium last night.
Wow. Good for Josh Harris.
Deserves it, yeah. He had to feel so good.
Remember, we watched him do an interview there early during preseason. Did not go well.
Handshake. It was a high-five handshake deal.
It was weird. Damn, this season felt like forever.
That wasn't this year. Winning helps everything.

It can't be.

It was.

I think it was this year.

This is his first year.

I think it was.

And we all said, yeah, Commanders would be good.

Obviously, it'll be better than what they were, because what they were is like fucking

bum.

Poop.

And then all of a sudden, it's like, Jaden Daniels is doing the same thing CJ Stroud

did last year.

I don't think we're ever going to see that again.

And then Dan Quinn with the backwards hat.

Holy fuck. Has this guy found something? Cliff Kingsbury.
He doesn't have to worry about anything but call in place. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Now they're dancing. Congrats, Washington.
You guys deserve it. Deserved.
Go ahead, man. You guys deserve it.
Let's go to the next overreaction, shall we? This is from Darius the Sagittarius. It's DJ666.
Whoa. Whoa, a little devil, huh? Okay.
What's up, Satan? Jesus. Hashtag I don't ever react, but I still believe.
But watching the Broncos. Bover? Bover throw their chances after two actual miracles was almost as heartbreaking as watching Joey B put the Broncos defense, Han Riley Moss, on all fours and give them the Chuck Pagano treatment all game.
The waffle? What? That's what I inferred, yeah. He's talking about the waffling? I believe so.
Jeez Louise. Jeez Louise.
I'm tired of them Broncos Bo overthrowing. I thought that was a nice touch as well.
That's pretty good. Sean Payton and Bo obviously put themselves in a position to make the playoffs still, but with the way they've been able to operate with a $55 million deficit, and Bill said they're free from that next year.
I don't think they are. I think they get another hit next year from the Russell Wilson deal.
I think it was a two-year thing, but nonetheless they're on the right direction. That owner, Waltons, they've got to feel like they've done a good job over there too.
New ownership in Washington winning. New ownership in Denver finally winning.

You know, the first couple of years of rust didn't work out,

but now we're ready to roll.

Good for all parties.

League's value is only going like that.

We had some good football games.

Yes, we did.

We needed them.

We said that shite is only going to lead to prosperity.

All the bad was going to lead to some good at some point.

Have to sit through the rain to see the flowers. And that's what we did.
There's a lot of bad football. Then we got some great football games.
No thanks to your team. No thanks to your team.
Pretty good game. 45 points.
Playoff implications on the line. It was a pretty good game.
Tough for me to watch. I couldn't stomach it early.
Let's get the fuck out of here. I can't take it.
They'll be back. Let's go to the next overreaction.
That's not an overreaction. Sebastian Nelly Fortuna at Flaming Hamsters.
Alright. Hashtag I don't overreact, but as a Pats fan, the Josh Allen Bills will win more division crowns than the Tom Brady Patriots heartbreak.
Flaming Hamsters on to something here, Convent? Flaming Hamsters, sure. Who gives a fuck about the division crowns? Okay.
They can have them. Will they win more than six Super Bowls? I doubt it.
Flaming Hamster wants a home playoff game again. Exactly.
Yeah, don't we all? That's what Flamin' Hamster wants. And so do I.
But when we're talking about who gives a shit bowls, the division champion, those fall into the who gives a shit bowl. Hang a banner.
Yeah, exactly. Have fun.
Hang your division title banner because no one gives a fuck about those. Well, the Flamin' Hamster says, I want a home playoff game.
I'm sick of this. Flamin' Hamster is actually at the game.
What were your fans chanting fourth quarter?

They were chanting fire mayo.

What?

No.

Fire mayo.

Yes, they were.

Krafts actually shot the windows.

He said, turn Jon Bon Jovi up.

Shut the fucking windows.

That was happening.

I don't want to hear.

A lot of booze.

Liar.

A lot of empty seats.

A lot of fire mayo chants.

What if the Krafts are actually pumping that in? Push it. Do it.
Turn it louder. That would support my theory that I'm pretty sure isn't that theory.
All right. Let's go.
Let's go to the next overreaction. You know what he's talking about? I don't.
You do know what he's talking about. I don't want to know what he's talking about.
Yeah, you do. Let's go to the next overreaction.
This is from Andrew Shockley. Who is the Pittsburgh News guy? Andrew Shockley.
Yes. Not to be confused with Andrew Shockley at the real Shockley.
Hashtag I don't want to overreact, but the Giants are a doomed franchise. All they had to do was lose two games to finish the season and get the number one pick.
All they had to do was lose, which they become pretty fucking good at, and they couldn't even do that properly. Fire John Moore.
The owner's not fireable. He's not.
But this particular owner might be on the look, on the hunt to fire some people, especially if we continue to show that Hard Knocks clip where he said, if Saquon Barkley was to go to the Philadelphia Eagles, it'd be really hard for me to sleep at night. What do you think this guy's heart palpitations are like every single Sunday whenever he has to open his phone or he gets a text from somebody and says, you see, Saquon just went for another 200 fucking yards today? Hey, did you see the Eagles are still in the lead in the NFC East? Hey, you see the Eagles are fucking favorite to go? Saquon's MVP? Joe Mara's like, I fucking hate this place.
Joe Shane, though dayball got another opportunity one more year what do you mean another game or another year more year one more year one more year bruce brown is that how everybody feels about giants fandom yeah i mean the the backlash to winning is is loud i do think that joe shane and and dayball both do stay both do stay into next year. I'm just enjoying the hope that we do have Malik Neighbors.
We got Tyrone Tracy, some nice young pieces. Obviously, first priority above everything else is that we got to go get a quarterback.
It felt like it was going to be Shador or Cam Ward going into this weekend. Now who fucking knows? Time will tell.
I believe that Joe Shane will figure out the quarterback position and it will be much better next year. He will figure out the quarterback position.
He's got a gem in the waiting. He's got the apple of his eye.
He's got Carson Beck at number 10. Oh, I didn't even think about Carson Beck because he was being talked about as maybe top five going into the season.
He has an injury now, obviously, on the elbow, which is a big part of the whole thing. He'll be supporting the dogs but he is declaring for the nfl maybe carson beck is the giants next guy he just screams new york giant quarterback maybe we go up to conada get curtis rourke oh nice fitted miz life you're talking about kid conada's little brother cut down curtis trade up to one sexy dex e three first and a second come on up so you're negotiating deal is his the number one overall pick? Yep.
Raiders can go Max Crosby, two firsts, two twos. Come on up.
Okay, so you're just floating some things, just ideas. I mean, do you want a franchise QB? Do you want the future? Do you want to be able to win in the league? Sure.
Come to the table. The Colts go in the number one after Peyton Manning's run and getting, you know, luck.

And now the Patriots end up at number one after getting a franchise quarterback.

It makes you wonder, how do these teams that win all the time

always seem to have things go their way?

That's how it works.

Colts need one of those.

We need to somehow just fall to three.

Well, you went to four.

But I'm saying we need to get back down there.

Yeah, Pats are the only team guaranteed to have a top five pick. Okay.
So we're in it, gentlemen. We are fucking back.
If we get the number one pick, we can trade back a couple times. The amount of picks you could get for that number one overall.
Oh, my God. Especially because the teams that need a quarterback, like there are four teams.
You might be able to get two number ones from this year, one number one from next year because you're going to swap with somebody. Let's get an extra one, and then maybe one from next year just to get up there.
If people get desperate enough. That's how much the number one overall pick is worth.
So you can really improve your team quickly. You think about what the Houston Texans did.
When they go back-to-back that high up in there, it's like you can flip your team if you make – and you look at the Lions. I mean, I know the penne draft class didn't turn them around immediately but you get a penne or another dog offense alignment oh yeah in the first 20 picks you got a chance changes everything and they didn't have you know like that team didn't have the rookie qb contract in the most cap space in the league like we do so it's like we can do that with the draft and we can do it with free agency it's just we'll'll see what happens.
Real hope. There is real hope.
What if nobody wants to come up and get one of these quarterbacks? There is a chance that that happens, although that hasn't been the case as of late. Now everybody thinks every quarterback is going to be great, especially with his last rookie class.
I mean, you look at Jaden doing well, Drake doing well, Bo has done well, Penix, we think, is going to be a guy there. Caleb, he's in the middle of the Upper National Clock.
Plus, the Shadur-Deon press tour that's about to happen. I think we've already saw the start of it.
Deon put a tweet out calling people idiots. What was he calling people idiots for? What happened? For picking them in the bowl game? No.
I picked them. I did too.

I guess BYU was the right answer there.

Super mature.

They were not happy with the announcers from that game.

I know that.

Who wasn't, BYU folks?

A lot of people just in general.

Oh, you guys are sucking off Colorado the whole time to get an ass kicked. Well, I saw Shador throw a touchdown to Travis,

and they were down 28 maybe at the time.

And it got posted on all the socials. I was like, oh, Travis Hunter gets white.
It's like you are asking for people to hate these people. You are asking for people to hate Travis and Shador and this entire thing.
They did get their asses beat by BYU, but what they did to Colorado, you cannot understate. I mean, flipped an entire program around.
Did you hear Shermer talk about Travis and Shador going into the NFL? Oh, how they were dominant? Yeah. He thinks they're already pros, basically.
Now, will he be able to build up enough of a team to really have success over there? Priming him. We shall see.
Still very early. Let's go to another overreaction, shall we? This is Logan Epley at Logan underscore Epley.
Hashtag I don't want to overreact. But the Colts are done.
I'm going to get rid of everyone.

And I mean everyone.

Stinking. Ballard.

AR, JT. Hell, even

Irsay. Get them all going.

I'd prefer to watch a CFP jingle

on repeat for a month straight rather than

watch another Colts game. Hashtag

sell the team.

Logan, you said it, brother. Foxy,

can you please run that beautiful CFP footage?

We're mixing things up.

It's about time.

More schools get shot to shine.

It's more game than a lot more fun.

Starting with 12, counting down to one.

That's how we crown a CFP national champion.

That's how we crown a C&P National Champion. Chouperage champs keep the dream alive.
One through four get a first round buy. She's five to eight.
Hose nine to twelve. Winners move on and the crowd's on.
Yeah. Quarter finals.
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That's how we crown a CFP National Champion. You're right.
Holy fuck. That was a great overreaction.
Did he record that first time, No Flubs? Marty is not singing that. No, that was recorded by a couple boys down there in Nashville.
The only reason why I know that is because they have sent messages saying, hey, thanks for highlighting the song we pieced together down there. I was like, no problem.

Stapleton? No, Stapleton was not a part.

I think songwriters behind the scenes.

As long as it was in Nashville,

we're good. It was in Nashville, I do believe.

These people have cut their teeth down.

We're good.

We're mixing things up. It's about

time. More schools get

a shot to shine. A lot of alliteration

is school shot, shine. You know what I mean? More games and a lot more fun what are we starting with age i don't know 12.
he's a son of a bitch 12. that thing is days away from the rose bowl say the number starting with 12 counting down to one i'm almost immune to that video i've seen it so many times It's like it's not even.
You don't build up antibodies to something you love. Jesus Christ.
Let's go to the next overreaction. This is Alabama News.
At Al underscore news. Hashtag I don't overreact.
But the Bengals are the scariest team in the NFL right now. Buffalo Beatles have to be shitting their pants at the thought of playing the Bengals in the first round of the playoffs? I'll tell you, Joey B is unbelievable.
I will say, Zach Taylor, great work over there. Sure.
He made some decisions in that game. Somebody was pulling for the Bengals while watching that game.
Going, what the fuck is this guy doing? What is this guy? Why are we? What is going on here? And obviously, you have the belief in Joe Burrow that he's going to be able to figure it out. And he did.
And they did. And they get a huge win.
But man, they made it harder on themselves than they needed it to be. They made it a lot harder on themselves than they needed it to be.
That team's ready to roll, though. Yeah.
Very questionable coaching decision. We've seen some of that with the Bills this year as well.
But I wouldn't be, from the Buffalo Bills, what they have right now would not be scared to play anyone going to playoffs. Me neither.
All right, let's get the hell out of here. We'll be back on Thursday.
We'll be live from the Rose Bowl, 5 p.m. Eastern on ESPN2 on Wednesday.
So honored to be a part of that. Pumped.
Hell yeah. You think he's going to be pouting the whole fucking time if Ohio State doesn't play great? Without a doubt.
He better be or he's not a true fan. They're going to be all right.
They'll be all right. I'm not worried.
Are you going to be all right, though, is what we're wondering? Oh, yeah. It's going to be great.
Great day. Great night.
Yeah, you were doing some potting, though, down there in Georgia. I was doing a little bit of potting.
Remember? Yeah, you remember that? A little pot and your car got broken into, and then you were potting all over the place. Oh, no.
We love it. And then against Tennessee, there was a pass breakup.
You remember him celebrating pass I I loved I'm not a lot of love that from AJ me too Ohio State yeah I've never seen that bias me neither I was I was pumped to watch him get excited it's cool big pass breakup and AJ goes oh you know like he got like genuine I saw in his song I'm like oh AJ's very fucking pumped for this Ohio State Buckeye team, as it should be. They put an ass beating down on that Tennessee ball.

Yeah.

And just like what happened after they lose to Michigan and they go play Georgia,

they played their best ball against Georgia.

Free, confident, swagged out all over the place.

They did the same against Tennessee.

Can they carry that into the Rose Bowl?

And in Oregon, they've just been waiting.

Yeah.

It's about time.

You know, that's what they're doing.

Oh, yeah.

Maybe their school gets a shot to shine down there. It's a big old game and a lot of fun.
And there's two of them, man. There's only going to be one.
And that's how we crown the CFP Rose Bowl champion. And let's get out of here, boys.
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