‘RoboCop’ (1987) With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

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And it's been a while.

You push for this.

You've been watching a bunch.

RoboCop.

Yes.

There's a new guy in town, and he's next.

He died a hero.

Target and was reborn

as RoboCop.

A one-man police force with the strength of an army, the speed of a laser, the brain of a computer, and a body made of steel.

Looking for me,

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All right, Kyle Brandt, you pushed for this.

Why?

Well, we had this great conversation going into it, Bill, where I'm texting Bill and I say, RoboCop?

And Bill responds, We have never done RoboCop.

And I said, I'll buy that for a dollar.

We're up and fucking running.

I couldn't believe it hadn't been done.

It's one of these, there's still gold in these rewatchable hills.

We found it.

I'm thrilled to be doing it.

I like RoboCop Bill because there's cool shooting and violence and funny lines.

I love RoboCop because it should be a B movie and it refuses to be.

It decided to be an A movie.

It doesn't have to be half as interesting as it is.

It could have just been, we're Toomi Terminator.

We got a robot who shoots people and it's violence and we'll take your five bucks.

This movie decided it has something to say.

It has things to educate us on.

And a lot of it is because of our guy, bloodstained horn dog Dutch Paul Verhoeven, our guy, horniest man in Hollywood at this era.

And he just composed a masterpiece here.

I love this movie.

That would have been a great list for movies that just should have been a B and wouldn't accept the grade.

Yeah.

And we're like, we're going to be an A minus here, or we might even be an A.

Cause, you know, there's some other good ones from

the earlier 80s that are like that, I guess.

Like Escape from New York is a good example.

They were really trying, but at the same time, that's a B movie and they just kind of elevate it beyond.

This one,

this movie's really saying something.

And then, as the years pass, it becomes even more poignant because it's basically like corporations are going to take over everything.

Detroit is going to go bankrupt, basically collapse, which it does in 2013.

And then it's just really stylish and it moves.

Craig, producer Craig was saying how when we sent it to him, that it was like 102 minutes start to finish.

They make this movie now.

It's probably, what, 145 minutes?

Oh, yeah.

Well, if Marvel does it in the comic thing, it's three hours and 20 with an intermission and some bonus shit scene after the credits, all that.

This doesn't have an ounce of fat on it.

It's short.

Well, don't you think that this would now be a Marvel movie?

I mean, that's the other thing is like they would have they would have seen this as some sort of franchise, which it weirdly became, but I don't think they intended it to be a franchise when they made it, right?

No, and even more so than we think.

The Marvel made a RoboCop comic book after this when they were merchandising it and it was on lunchboxes and thermoses and cartoons and video games and it was everywhere.

There actually was a comic book even in the 80s that Marvel took over.

So now it would be six different movies and it was, they would do everything with it.

But the fact that Verhoeven took this thing and made it lean and mean and was like, you know, Bill, like there's, there's Jesus motifs here.

There's thoughts about AI ahead of its time.

And yet.

It's not all preachy because just when they get into that, they'll give you a scene where RoboCop shoots somebody's dick off and and you just laugh out loud.

It does it all.

Well, it has those news breaks too, to always lighten it up.

And, you know, this is really, I don't know what you think the peak year was for villains over laughing as they're evil, but it's somewhere in the 80s.

The Deathwish movies were doing it too.

But these three, four people would get together.

downtown wherever is just in complete disarray.

They have guns.

They're just blowing stuff up.

They're laughing their asses off like it's the funniest thing ever.

I don't know when this ended and I don't know why I can't come back.

One of the details too that's in this movie, it's in a lot of those movies you're talking about is that they're just casually no big deal doing drugs for the whole movie.

Like in this movie, they keep snorting these things and they never even address what it is or what it does.

But just between dialogue, they'll just Clarence Botico just get a quick double nostril blast and then he's off and running, but it's not even addressed.

And it's just, it's, it's so fun, man.

You mentioned like the, I try to imagine, I didn't get to see this movie in the theater, thank God, because I was eight years old.

But if you're, did you see in the theater?

I did all right so when you're sitting down in the theater and you're like all right the robo cop movie cheesy name let's see some guns and the first scene out of the opening is the satirical news desk and then a fake commercial like what the hell did i walk into the wrong movie what is this they're playing the wrong reel it's really cool though It felt, it's weird.

When it came out, it felt like it got lost in that whole like Stallone Schwarzenegger vortex we're in, where all these movies are coming out left and right and Cobra and Running Man and Predator.

And it's just that, it's just, it's just an onslaught, right?

So this is like, all right, what's this?

This, this feels like a movie Stallone or Schwarzenegger could have been.

And then you see it, and it's really stylish and well done.

We didn't know a lot about Verhoeven back then.

He had just like made his first America movie two years before.

We did Flesh and Blood, which had some pretty racy.

nude scenes, which were a big deal on cable in the mid-80s.

But I can't say I had high expectations.

This was a classic.

You just went to the movies every weekend.

Hey, people are saying RoboCop's pretty good.

I think the thing that shocked me was how good the reviews were in the moment and then after the fact.

Like this is now considered one of the best kind of science fiction futuristic action movies ever made, which I don't think anyone was thinking in 1987.

No, small budget, unproven director, no major movie star, unproven villain, like all these technical aspects that they were going to pull off.

And to your point, the fish are jumping into the boat in 1987.

Like we're not, it's so much muscle, so much machine gun i bet all the critics sat down for this ready to hate it because you know you get into it a lot and a lot of people making the movie are like we can't call the movie robo cop it sounds horrible it's so cheesy and i think you sit down for robo cop and just expect schlocks shoot em up idiocy because that's what was running the day yeah but then you're like right out of the gates we're satirizing cable news before cable news and politics and it's just the iq is so high and yet still the firepower is just so pleasing And it feels relatively realistic, even though it's insane as a movie.

But every single thing they're doing it and I'm like, ah, maybe.

Like maybe corporations would buy out the police force as like a business move and then put in robots that would police 24-7.

Like it's not inconceivable in 1987.

Could this be where we're going?

I don't know.

Well, even just as employees, do you really think Bezos is not going to have Ed 209 stocking shelves like in the next 20 minutes?

Like that's, it's all sitting right there.

There's that scene where, where they first take RoboCop to the shooting range and it's like, it's pulled out of 2025.

They're like, it's not a cop, it's a robot.

And the guy literally says, he's going to take all our jobs.

And it's

everything we're hearing now.

It's AI at the shooting range and people really afraid of it.

But they made this thing in 86.

It's so cool.

It's 86.

Well, then you think Rocky 4.

is when

Rocky gets the robot for Polly.

Yeah.

So this is peak robots might be in our life, but we were 40 years early.

But now, I don't know, they must have this in New York.

They have it in LA where these little robots that deliver stuff.

Sure.

Right.

They have robot Waymos, basically, those robot Ubers.

Yes.

So this stuff's now in our lives, but I think it took a lot longer than maybe the 1980s was anticipating.

Well, we were expecting hoverboards, but instead, when I go to stop and shop, there's this idiot robot in aisle six asking me if I want to scan anything, just getting in the way of my cart.

I hate it.

it i don't like that stuff i don't like those self-driven cars they freak me out i'm not riding in it i don't like any of that stuff i i'm i'm i'm not a good place to have sex is that right yeah i mean you lose your waymo privileges but for one time it's a hell of a ride as an f-shack just said there's no driver why the hell not yeah it's a big thing it was a big thing for a while unfortunately for the people in the car having sex they uh they're being videotaped the entire time so you know buyer beware um well taxi cab confessionals previewed that you know, that's 25 years ago as well.

That's great.

I gotta try that.

I just asked the wife.

So, Neumeier, one of the people that wrote this movie, yeah,

after 2013, when Detroit went bankrupt and it was supposedly the most dangerous place in the United States, and Neumeier said, We're now living in the world that I was proposing in RoboCop, how big corporations will take care of us and how they won't.

It's a mild have a glass of settle-down juice for him, but also like, eh,

he should maybe take a victory lap.

I don't know.

Some weird shit's happened since 1987.

Yeah.

It's, I mean, listen, the crash was coming when they wrote this.

All this labor versus management, privatization, and Dick Jones is good business is where you find it.

It's all very, very current.

This should be like, you know, people go back and watch idiocracy now and they say that that's aged really well.

I would say if I'm a Gen Zer, watch RoboCop.

If you don't like the violence or whatever, watch it for the politics.

Like they saw this stuff coming in the 80s and they saw AI and they saw privatization and government.

I mean, it's right in the middle of the Reagan era.

It's so politically reflective that you can watch this movie 20 years from now and the special effects will look bad, but who cares?

The movie works.

Yeah.

And in the moment, they were talking about how it was like a repudiation of Reaganomics and trickle-down, all that stuff.

It was...

Right as people were starting to turn against it.

And then when the crash happened, but this is a really interesting time for movies because on the one hand, you know, in 1987

a murder's row of movies.

I mean, it's one of the best rewatchables movies years we've ever had, but you have Gordon Gecko on the one side, where it's like greed is good.

And this is like a whole motif that's all over the place in movies, secret of my success.

Like, I need to go, I need to make as much money as possible.

How do I make money right away?

And then, on the other hand, you have movies like RoboCop that are like, this is going to go badly.

Like, just, just be careful what you wish for, everybody.

And I don't know.

I don't think anyone in the moment ever thought that this would be considered one of the smart movies of the 80s.

But I think it is.

Because Working Girl comes out in 87 too.

And we did that on Rewatchables last month.

But same kind of thing.

Like some of the stuff it's trying to do with females in the workplace.

And

it's like really ahead of its time.

And this one was too.

Surprisingly, refreshingly progressive.

Talking about the females in the workplace, there's a note where they call all the guys who kill Murphy, they refer to them in the producers, they refer to it as the gang.

And the exe producer was, I want this gang to be diverse.

And I'm not saying I don't want it to be all white guys.

I don't want it to all be people of color.

I don't want to make a racist movie.

And this is like, this is 1986 when they're shooting this.

There weren't a lot of people saying that.

But you look at how that gang is casted and it looks like 2025.

It's really interesting.

And I really respect what they were doing.

Because again, just make a shoot them up movie with blood and guts and a robotic cop and we're going to give you our five bucks.

They didn't have to do that shit.

They could have been a B movie and they refused to be.

It's awesome.

Another thing with this movie, just an all-time great premise

24-7 robocops

could it work

they have three directives serve the public trust protect the innocent uphold the law

but directive four is classified mystery that's right i wonder what it is and then we find out later um

so

1987 detroit

Because you feel like this is maybe a bad movie for Detroit, or you could say, that's actually pretty good.

Detroit, even though they filmed this movie in Dallas, which I found out in research.

Oh, well.

1987 Detroit has RoboCop.

Beverly Hills Cop 2, because it starts out there.

The 1987 Pistons take Larry Bird and the Celtics to game seven.

It seems like they're going to win the title.

First important Pistons basketball moment ever.

They got next.

The Tigers, who won the title three years earlier, they won 98 games, almost made the World Series again.

Red Wings made the conference finals for the first time in six years.

Anita Baker's Rapture, huge.

And then the Fab Five, Jalen Rose and C Web now playing together, AAU.

Like the Fab Five is forming.

I'll just go early.

Apex Mountain for Detroit.

I think this is it.

It's tough to beat until

the Jared Goff Lions win a Super Bowl, which I don't know if that's happening.

87 was a hell of a time.

And listen, the best high school football player in Detroit at that time, Jerome Bettis, that was 87.

He was killing it about to go to Notre Dame, not Michigan.

They lost him, but like 87, Detroit was cooking.

Like young, young do we have young Eminem there too?

Well, he's definitely alive.

I don't know if he's like drawing the wraps on the chalk on the sidewalk, but come in.

Let's help my kids.

Come on in, buddy.

Come on in, Eminem.

But

great times all around.

Was Sanders?

He wasn't on the Lions yet, though.

No, Sanders was 89 draft.

So he was at Oklahoma State.

He's coming.

They got their eyes on him.

The Lions are being bad and paving their way for Bear Sanders.

Anyway, great time for Detroit.

And then Verhoeven.

So, big Dutch filmmaker in the 70s.

Did multiple Rucker Hauer movies overseas?

Dutch.

Have we done a movie with Rucker Hauer yet?

Have you done Blade Runner?

I don't think we have.

Yeah, I don't think so either.

I can't think of a Rucker Hauer movie.

Well, the one that we would do is Nighthawks if we wanted to go Stallone, Billy D.

Williams, Stallone trying to

kind of zag, trying to zag away from Rocky.

I don't know how you feel about Nighthawks.

I'm in the Nighthawks.

I'm in the Ladyhawk as well.

I like all that stuff.

Yeah.

So, Howard, he was basically like Dutch Robert Redford, even though he was German, whatever, but he was in all these different movies that Verhoeven did.

So he bangs out RoboCop, Total Recall, and Basic Instinct in a six-year run.

Those are three movies in a row that he made that we have now all done in the rewatchables.

Little horny,

apparently a complete asshole on the set.

Didn't really understand how American film sets worked and just yelled at everybody until people rebelled.

And then after Basic Instinct, an all-time classic, created a historical epic based around the Crusades that would have starred Arnold Schwarzenegger.

It went into pre-production in 1993.

And then our guys from Carolco pulled funding from the project because they were going bankrupt.

We're back.

Yet another podcast with Carolco.

The guys are back in town.

Their bankruptcy cost us an Arnold Schwarzenegger, Paul Verhoeven Crusades movie.

Yeah.

See, I bet

the Carolco financiers, there was a scene in the Crusades movie where one of the women was topless and had three breasts, and they couldn't afford it for the budget.

So they're like, I'm sorry, Paul.

You can't bring her back.

She's still goaded, but we just can't afford it.

That blew up the whole project.

Well, he got pissed and ends up ripping off showgirls a year later.

Starship Troopers and Hollow Man.

And then it kind of ends for him.

But he's got like a nice 15-year run there of movies I would watch on cable.

Starship Troopers, what's your relationship with that one?

Love Starship Troopers.

Love Johnny Rico.

Hilarious football scene.

Co-ed shower scene.

A lot to like in that.

Neil Patrick Harris with a machine gun.

Bill, when the call comes in for Starship Troopers, full disclosure here, when I was a freshman on the college on the football team, the seniors all nicknamed me Johnny Rico after Casper Jan Diamond.

So that same name hollowed.

Save it for the Starship Troopers podcast.

I mentioned 87 as

one of the great rewatchables years.

And we've done a few of these.

The number one movie that year by

in-year releases was Three Men and a Baby.

Directed by Leonard Nimoy, inexplicably.

Yes.

Spock directed that movie.

Everything about that movie is inexplicable.

I don't even know what would happen if that guy, like, could that even be an Amazon scripted show now?

Three men and a baby?

Such a weird premise.

You're talking about three, I don't know, like losers who all live together, who are 40 years old, have a baby, and inexplicably in the middle of the movie, there's a cocaine plot line that I'm not even sure why it's there.

And then Spock directed it.

There's a ghost kid in the background.

There's all kinds of shit going on with that movie.

Yeah, I mean, you didn't hit the key premise hard enough that these three dudes who were like 38, 41, and 43 all just live together.

And we're all single.

And just this baby shows up.

Anyway, that was our number one movie.

Fatal Attraction, Beverly Hills, Cop 2.

Good morning, Vietnam.

Moonstruck is our top five.

Untouchables, Secret of My Success, Stakeout, Lethal Weapon, Dirty Dancing, Predator.

Jesus.

Dragnet Labamba, RoboCop, Outrageous Fortune, Broadcast News, Living Daylights, Eddie Murphy Raw, Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

Full Metal Jacket.

Wall Street, Mannequin, Roxanne, Blind Date, The Running Man, Spaceballs, Summer School.

You must have loved Summer School.

Who did?

Mark Harmon, Mr.

Smith.

LES.

No Way Out.

We've done that one.

uh the lost boys can't buy me love princess bride

baby boom tin man black widow that's just our top 50 and that's before you get into raising arizona and uh big easy and angel heart and over the top came out that year um

less than zero just like someone to watch over me we've done jesus christ kyle brand you mentioned over the top as like 30th billion on that it's not even above the fold more good movies in one year than we've had in the last 25 years i i love you sean fantasy i'm sorry That was an incredible list that Bill just rattled off.

Rewatchable movies, too, like movies that could just be on cable all the time.

So kudos to 1987.

Kudos to this movie.

I'm going to call it a that guy tsunami.

Let's go.

Let's get into it.

It's so good.

I got a bunch of them.

There's, there's that guys who stopped being that guys.

Ronnie Cox became Ronnie Cox.

Yeah.

Kurt Wood Smith became Kurt Wood Smith.

Kurt Wood Smith.

I don't know if Miguel Ferreira became Miguel Ferreira or he just became that guy who I knew from this movie and five other movies.

It depends.

I know him as Miguel Ferreira, but I don't know.

I don't know him as Miguel Ferreira.

Passed away, but I think of him.

He's in some stuff.

He's a great actor.

He's the RoboCop guy for me.

So he is Bob Morton in this movie.

Yeah.

Who has the cocaine threesome when he's starting cocaine off the cleavage, which was a mid-80s staple?

Kurtwood Smith is in this.

And then two years later, three years later, the dad in Dead Poets Society.

I'm just, let's do this now.

Who's the bigger villain?

Because he plays in this movie, he plays Clarence Bodaker.

Yeah.

And then he plays Neil's dad in Dead Poets Society, who drives Neil to offing himself and finds his body in the office.

He says, Neil!

Neil!

My boy!

My boy!

He's a terrible guy.

Neil!

I hate that guy so much.

I hate that guy more than Clarence Bodeker.

All right.

This is a first-round knockout.

Clarence Bodeker is the drug-addicted psycho-asshole who torture murders a cop.

And Neil's dad is 50 times worse.

He drives his kid to suicide because he doesn't want him to be in the goddamn play, even though he shows talent.

And people say that Kurtwood Smith is like the nicest, most generous person.

I never watched that 70s show.

I know he's massive in that, but they're like, he could not be a nicer guy to work with.

What a great actor.

Drove Neil to his death.

Terrible.

And then Ronnie Cox, who is Bogomille in Beverly Hills Cop 1 and 2, he's in Beverly Hills Cop two in 1997 as he finally gets to play a bad guy.

He plays a bad guy for Verhoeven in this, and then Total Recall.

Yeah.

And loves being the bad guy and is great at the bad guy.

But then we have that red-headed guy from ER.

Yeah.

He eventually, well, he's walking with a cane in ER a million years later.

You know that guy.

He plays your guy, Emil, in this.

Emil, yes.

Who ends up dying in

toxic waste?

I can't wait to talk about that scene.

Emil also had a one season run as, I think he was Jack Bauer's brother in 24.

Like, I love that guy.

I don't know his name, but he's Emil, and he's also a great actor.

What are you doing?

He's a college boy.

He's always up to stuff.

Nancy Allen is the female cop in this.

So has this, she's married to Brian Da Palma.

She's in Dress to Kill.

She's in Blowout.

She earlier on was in Carrie, has this whole run.

This is kind of where it's about to end for her.

And Verhoeven, because he wanted this movie to be as asexual as possible,

told her to gain weight, which she did by not smoking anymore.

And then just kept giving her a haircut until they gave her the one she liked.

And they basically like, they caged me and laceied her, just full-fledged.

And there's no sexual tension at all.

We have to stop the clock.

I had it.

When does Lewis's hair first come up in the pod?

I knew this was going to be a point of conversation.

It's an important conversation.

If you had the under, I think you won.

Kept making her cut her hair like five times to desexualize her.

And my take on it, I think it's awesome.

It's a total zag.

Why have some like, I don't know, some sex pot in the female lead instead of a person who actually like a Sharon Stone.

She's sitting right there.

She was coming.

They were all coming.

He's horny as hell.

And despite that, He's like, no, let's have the cop be a badass female cop.

They weren't doing that back then.

They just weren't.

You choose some some bay watch looking girl and she goes and she's hot and they have a sexual tension not at all lewis is a cool character i like her well he had some vision for the future that was basically asexual because that locker room scene that's near the beginning is important the police locker room and just we see guys asses all of a sudden there's a naked lady they're all together and quick nothing is sexual at all no and he ran that back to starship troopers he likes the um

the the co-ed showers.

I don't know if you like, sometimes I go to a restaurant now, especially in New York, more than ever when you go back to the bathrooms.

There's not men's and women's.

There's just

bathrooms and everybody waits.

I did it last night.

Verhoeven was all over that, but there's not a men's and women's room.

That's where I went last night.

You just wait with everybody.

There's one place in Boston where it's a giant bathroom and there's just different stalls, but it's men and women and then the common sink.

And it's

that Hunway Park?

Come out of your.

No, no, it's the Quinn.

This place in Boston.

Oh, the Quinn.

Yeah.

You come out of one and you could be like, you could have been talking to somebody like in the bar and she's coming out of the other stall after you're sort of blowing it up.

Like, that's, you know, I don't know.

And she comes out, she's got toilet paper on her foot and she just blew up that thing.

And you're like, oh, no, what's that over there?

You run out.

Yeah, I got

my dad called.

He's getting surgery tomorrow.

And then Peter Weller, who just kind of became RoboCop.

I don't even know what else you would know him from.

I had this conversation ready.

I have never seen a Peter Weller film that is not RoboCop.

And he's done a lot.

He also is in a season of 24, but I am a one-character guy for Peter Weller.

All due respect to Peter Weller, like theater actor, very conscientious guy.

I don't have it, Bill.

I'm sorry.

I don't know the other stuff.

Well, there's some great stuff we have coming up for him later about some of his choices he made on the set in this movie that I can't talk about.

$13.4 million budget made $53 million.

Two sequels, then the remake in 2014, Majoel Kinneman and Abby Cornish.

What's your relationship with that movie?

No relationship.

My relationship is when you scan the cast, holy shit, they spent money.

Michael Keaton's in that movie.

Sam Jackson's in it.

Gary Oldman just picking up a check as the scientist.

Like they're like, we went cheap on RoboCop.

So give us all the big money, guys.

And still, you know what?

You know what they did?

They rated it fucking PG-13.

Get out of here with that.

Get out of here.

Give me an R.

My shade just fell.

I saw it.

It was like, God looked down on you.

Look at that.

That was dramatic, Bill.

I'm going to fix it when we go to break.

The Roger Ebert three stars.

Most thriller and special effects movies come right off the assembly line.

You can call out every development in advance and usually be right.

RoboCop is a thriller with a difference.

Raj.

I got to be honest.

Could have gone three and a half stars there, Raj.

Could have thrown in the half star for how ahead of the time this movie was, but whatever.

Yeah, when we get to like WhatsAge the Worst, I'm looking at you, bud.

I don't have a ton of what's age is the worst, but I've had a lot of what's you're going to, you're going to carry the day on that one?

Yeah, we're going to take a break.

I'm going to fix my shade.

This is my last podcast in here before the shades.

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All right, first category, most rewatchable scene.

Murphy, listen, this probably isn't even in the running, but I love when Murphy shows up for his first day.

I love the 80s police stations.

We've talked about this before.

They're action-packed, shit's going down, wise cracks left and right.

Bad guys just wander in and get beaten up.

I like anytime a cop says to another cop, welcome to hell.

Feels like a staple.

Nancy Allen gets to kick someone's ass.

I don't know.

I just enjoy those police stations.

There's always perps being pushed through across camera.

One of them always fights one of the cops.

And and then you have the really grumpy ranking officer who's tired of this

always the same thing and the shirt that murphy walks in with is so 1987 i almost thought about picking it for the most 1987 thing silk top button patterned it that scene is really fun to watch um i i don't know i don't think police stations move that way anymore It's probably like way harder to get into.

There's probably all these checks and balances.

But back then, it just felt like anybody could just wander in and take a swing at a cop.

Anytime you want, and I also don't think the cops brought the perps in or just like book them and throw them against the desk and then walk out.

Like that, they always do that in TV shows, but I think it's probably really rigorous.

Yeah, my favorite movie ever, 48 Hours.

There's a whole after all the cops get wasted in the hotel and Cates goes back to the station and he's just wandering around, he's barking at people.

He's that, he's getting yelled at by his boss, and he's trying, he's looking at Henry Wong's photo.

And he's just, it's just moving in this way that I just don't think they do anything.

It's always three, it's always Murphy, my office now.

It's just simple commands.

It's that's the whole vibe.

God, I love that shit.

Uh, next scene is: uh, are we calling it Ed 209 or ED 209?

Ed 209, Ed 209.

Yeah, when do you think they moved it from ED to Ed?

I think it was just sitting there, and I think it was right.

They had a lot of problems with Ed 209, as we know, but uh, I think it was late in production.

A lot.

Oh, Detroit has a cancer.

This demo of

209, big loser, Mr.

Kinney.

Who wants to volunteer?

There's 20 people at the table.

Mr.

Kinney's like, I'm going to get some brownie points with this one.

I'd love to volunteer.

This is

the 20 seconds when they realize it's malfunctioning.

You now have 15 seconds to comply.

You are in direct violence.

And Mr.

Keys

and

Mr.

I like what they're throwing them back.

Yes.

The best part, he gets shot, I don't know, 40 times.

This is where Bear Hoban's like, you're in for a ride today.

And the guy's lying on the table.

He's got 40 bullet holes.

And somebody goes, somebody want to call goddamn paramedic.

It's like, we're past the paramedic.

We got to laugh out loud on the screening when he did that.

I wonder who that actor is.

I mean, what a line.

What a fucking line.

So like, Dick, I'm very disappointed.

That's what Dick's boss says.

You're disappointed that Ed 209 put 40 bullets into one of your board members?

That's a bummer for you.

There's that.

And then there's Bob Morton in the elevator.

And they're like, too bad about Kenny.

Hey, Hey, that's life in the big city.

No, it's not.

He's bumped.

Life in the big cities, you can't find affordable housing.

What you just saw was a tragedy.

What are you doing?

I also feel like you're not in the elevator like four minutes after that happens.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I would say that has to be in the running for the single craziest board meeting anyone's ever had.

Like, yeah, yeah, we're going to demonstrate it.

Yeah, we're going to demonstrate it to 09 to everybody.

Oh,

what's what was the guy's name?

Oh, Kenny's dead.

What happened to Kenny?

He got shot 42 times.

We had a malfunction.

You're so right about Kenny, too.

He volunteers as if he's like at a magic show and gets to go off and close his eyes and be hypnotized.

He's so excited to be up there.

Because, you know, if you're at a kid's birthday, it's going to be like, come on, dad, help us out.

And you feel like a celebrity because his bosses are there.

He's like, I can't wait.

I'm going to show off.

And the next thing they're ripping the cables out of the production board for Ed 209.

It's an unbelievable scene.

Listen, I'm just telling you right now,

that's my number one.

When that movie, when RoboCop's in the beginning and that's coming, it's like, oh, man,

I got to see what happens with that 209.

So true.

This next one, I mean, this is just ripping off rewatchable scenes coming out of the gate.

The car chase,

Clarence Bodaker's Lair.

Sure.

Great warehouses in the 80s and movies.

I know.

We always had nothing that there's never any workers.

They're always empty, but they always have all these things.

And there's always cranes and things.

And then Murphy ends up dying.

It's always, what should we do for the final act?

I don't know.

How about a shootout in the steel mill?

Yeah, that's perfect.

It's always that.

A lot of places to hide.

There's like elevation.

You could have bad guys looking down.

You could have guys getting shot, falling over the walkways.

Lava.

And as we find out, like a giant 5,000-gallon thing of toxic waste that we'll talk about.

Yeah.

The,

I saw Murphy's death, I think, on cable or video when I was in maybe fifth grade.

Really, really upsetting to me.

I watched it way too young.

So where do you come out?

Because Weller is like, is acting his ass off.

Do you think it's like, is it funny to watch him because he's acting so hard or does it mess with you?

Like when you watch it?

You know what?

Well, a couple things.

They're in the van and the van chase and

Clarence throws out one of the bad guys and goes, can you fly, Bobby?

Can you fly, Bobby?

Whips him out into the car.

Great line.

Has been repeated since in other movies, like Cliffhanger did it.

There's been, but I do feel like they invented the move of to show how evil the lead evil guy is.

He just immediately sacrifices one of the henchmen.

But then that leads to all the other people that work for him got to be like, well, what?

He just killed Bobby.

Like, am I next?

Like, how, would you be able to stay loyal to Clarence at that point?

Hey, don't burn the fucking money.

He was so pissed he burnt the money.

And I, I feel like I would be pissed too.

I empathize with Clarence there.

Like, you just pulled out the, all the fucking money is burnt, you idiot.

It's like the poor man on the, on the group project who messes the whole thing up.

I get it.

Yeah.

Well,

uh,

anyway, you, you asked, yeah.

Am I scarred by that scene?

Like, were people laughing in the theater or were they horrified?

I'm wondering.

Because it's

the worst part of it.

It's weird.

It's not the 30 times he gets shot.

The first one where he shoots his hand when

he's like moving the gun around like he's going to shoot him.

And you're like, oh, he's just fucking with him.

And then he just fucking blows off his hand and Weller's like, oh,

I know.

And I think that is weirdly the worst part of it.

Because then after that, you know, he's going to die.

No, it's.

I had, I think this is the okay motherfucker award for the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch.

I don't think it's ED.

It's not Ed 209.

You don't think it's Ed?

I don't.

i actually think it's this because ed 209 is so fun and comicy and you know that's such a ridiculous scene

this is like oh my god

they just murdered the main guy it's 10 minutes in and horribly i i think it's so funny you mentioned the okay motherfucker because like some of the secrets of this movie is i think that the okay motherfucker moment has like a four there's like four or five moments of those where you're like it's just even in the last in the in the last 10 minutes when you get toxic waste guy and the car hits him, you're like, Jesus, they just did it again.

I didn't even need that.

I was ready for the credits.

It has five of them.

And certainly like the execution is one.

I still watch it and he blows his hand off.

I think Weller's acting is so good and so heartbreaking.

Like I feel terrible for him.

I was disturbed as a kid.

I was disturbed now.

It's one of the hardest scenes to watch of violence, like I think in film history.

I think it's very difficult to watch.

Yeah, from an okay motherfucker standpoint, and this movie does have like five or six.

It is almost like a great professional wrestling match.

We're like, man, that

bump, like a ladder match.

Wow, that bump they took.

That was amazing.

That's got to be the peak.

And then finally, we peak with Toxic Waste Guy, which is coming up in a little bit.

RoboCop's first day.

We get the I'd Buy That for a Dollar Guy.

We get him wiping out the convenience store, Robert.

We get him.

Can you explain the I'd buy that for a dollar guy?

What's going on with those TV shows?

Hey, can I have you?

Oh,

we had our son

i'd buy that for a dollar

it's an incredibly important question

so mid 80s is right as they're trying to spruce up local ads and cable ads and like the one in new york that was the big one was crazy eddy It's like, crazy eddy.

And you can watch some of those on YouTube.

That was one of the first ones I remember.

But the ads were like really grab grab you by the throat, just like nutty ads.

So I think they're trying to say it's only going to get nuttier, right?

It's the wacky commercial.

There's some like some Benny Hill stuff going on.

And I think they're just looking at like television in the future is just going to be like boobs and stupid catchphrases.

It's like that Ricky Gervais character.

Are you having a laugh?

It's, it's really stupid.

And they think it's funny.

The guy that they got to do that, I'll buy that for a dollar, was this like K-Rock personality who just did wacky characters.

And he just, the, the I'll buy that for a dollar line.

No one, no one who made the movie like it really knew that was going to be a thing, but it became this recurring thing.

And the joke is, I guess, like, I don't really believe you.

But when you talk about RoboCop, invariably someone says, I'll buy that for a dollar.

That's usually the line they say.

I think it's the most famous line from the movie.

More than any RoboCop lines.

I agree with you.

Yeah, I think it is.

Well,

the most famous shot in the movie is when he shoots the rapist in the crotch.

No doubt.

He's got a killer man.

Your move, creep.

By shooting through the woman's legs in the skirt.

I got to be honest, one of the great shooting scenes for

our good guy hero in any movie.

Like aiming it through.

I don't know if it could happen with a human.

It's got to be RoboCop.

And then he, you know, tells her right about the crisis center right afterwards, just by the way.

Yeah.

See, to me, that's another okay motherfucker.

Like that, that you jump out of your seat when he does that.

Unanswerable question.

God forbid.

Do you think anywhere there is ever a police officer who's tried that move because they were inspired by RoboCop?

I fucking hope not.

Because like you said, he has a computer targeting system.

Yeah, take it easy, guys.

Yeah,

please do not emulate this.

We have Mayor Gibson's office.

Yep.

Deranged former city councilman Ron Miller is in there and RoboCop just cleans him out.

And then it all goes right to Lisa Gibbons.

RoboCop.

Who is he?

What is he?

I have some Lisa stuff going up.

I can't wait to talk about Lisa.

Was Lisa important for you?

Yeah, I can't wait to talk about it.

RoboCop returns to his house.

I have, that's when the movie starts to have the human piece to it, right?

Like after, and he's like, I'm getting these flashbacks.

You love that part.

Do you, do you, let me ask you this.

If there was going to be a P-break, this is it.

Do you get P-break vibes from him going back to his house?

I right, but I think the whole part when they're kind of assembling him before he becomes RoboCop is a good P-break.

This is like maybe make some popcorn right here.

Yeah, it's um, it has to have the scene, like it's the heart, yeah, kids, and all that.

And I like the computers, like the monitors with the talking realtor in there and everything.

Like, I wish they had those for real, but uh, if you were gonna p-break, this would be it.

Here's why it's important, though, you need it because

it all leads to the payoff at the end.

Yeah.

A Murphy.

I'm Cashing You Out, Bob, is the next one.

This includes Bob, I guess, headed for a cocaine-fueled threesome.

We get some cleavage snorting, which I think was a big 80s thing.

I'm not sure.

Are people still doing that?

What's the Craig?

Craig, is the cleavage snorting still in in the 2000s?

2020s?

Well, my birthday's tomorrow, so I'll let you know what goes down in Manhattan.

Yeah, happy birthday.

Okay, good luck.

No, now they line up some zinns on the breasts, and they just tuck them into their lips like that.

However, you do that shit, Craig.

I don't know how to do it.

But I think of, I think, Wolf of Wall Street is kind of probably apex for breast

cocaine line snorting.

It's a great point of Marco Robbie.

Great point.

I have no notes.

RoboCop crashes the Clarence cocaine party and then the cocaine factory.

Yep.

I love the, oh, I forgot to mention

in this, because we have clarence killing bob miller right he blows him up with the grenade yep but when he tells the girls to leave he does the

leave unbelievable entrance puts the dvd in little i'm not sure like aren't you worried maybe they could recover the dvd and scrub it and we could do that in 19 i don't know if that was i would have taken the dvd out before i blew the house up when he when he takes out that dvd it was like holy

what is that thing it was like he took out like a some sort of magical wand or something no one could believe that a CD could play a video in 1987.

It was, it blew you away about the technology.

And then hey, that's a really good point.

We didn't have DVDs.

No DVDs 10 years later.

Close.

No, it was.

So I guess it was a CD.

It was a DVD.

Did this movie invent DVDs?

I think it did, dude.

I think it did.

I've never seen one before that.

Yeah, because if it was a DVD, it would have taken him like three minutes to play it.

He would have been like, hold on,

hold on, just wait a second.

Oh, I'm back to the menu.

Dick Jones run a commentary of video.

Yes.

Menu.

But then we get the cocaine factory RoboCup killing everybody.

It has one of my favorites from the 80s, and I feel like we've lost it.

The bad guy who gets shot falling backwards, shooting the next bad guy.

I feel like we've lost the narrative on those.

Let's bring that back.

If you were a bad guy in the 80s who was shot by a weapon, you would always shoot as you were falling down.

You had shot.

Or shoot sideways.

Yeah.

Or worse, spin.

Spin.

Right.

Because then, like, the whole posse goes.

I do have to call attention to something in that scene.

It's the Marion Cobretti cutting pizza with scissors award for someone has to step in and say this would never happen.

Why is the greasy drug lord walking around the Coke house with like an estate Cabernet in his wine glass?

And then why when Clarence puts his fingers through it, does he keep drinking?

That whole scene reeks of Cobra and the scissors and the pizza.

It doesn't make any sense.

It's ridiculous.

Do we have that award or did you just invent it?

I just made it up.

Top of my head.

Top of my head.

Craig, write that down.

That's a good award.

Does someone need to stop?

Why didn't anyone intervene on the set?

Yeah, someone needs to step in and say, guys, this would never happen.

The Cobra Eating Pizza with Scissors award.

The wine thing is they tried to give the guy a prop to make him like a bond villain.

It doesn't work.

It's this stupid sequence with the fingers.

What are we doing?

You're Clarence Bodaker.

You're the king of, I'm writing this down in the rewatchables category.

I really want to add that.

So what is it called?

Do you think the it's called the Mary

Cutting Pizza with Scissors Award?

Yeah, okay, I got it for something that would never happen.

Yeah, that's a great award.

Great job.

Thank you.

Really earned your keep already.

We don't have so much of the podcast left.

It's now you're just like, we have a 38 to 7 lead.

Yeah.

Well, we haven't even gotten high.

You just run the ball.

Like, we don't even need to do anything else now.

All right.

I have RoboCop takes his helmet off that whole scene.

The bad guys blowing up stuff while Eva laughing.

Mentioned that earlier.

I like it.

And then the big shootout.

Let's talk about Toxic Waste of Meal.

Awesome.

Oh, Bill, yours is perfect.

Bill, that's better than your Nell.

That's your best impression.

Toxic long legs.

Toxic waste of meal.

Might have to add him into the long legs part.

And how great is this boy when he just don't touch me, man?

That's exactly what you would say.

Exactly.

They also, with his death scene,

he hits the car, hits him, and his head just immediately comes off, hits the car.

It's like a watermelon.

They said they filmed that, and it was like an unexpected bonus when the head went forward and hit the windshield.

They were hoping it would happen, but they didn't know.

And then that happened.

And then

Sinar RoboCop.

And then I guess the end where

he kills Dick Dick Jones.

Dick Jones.

And then with Murphy.

So what do you got for the most rewatchable scene?

It's definitely not the torture of Murphy.

Listen,

Bob Morton's apartment from start to finish is a perfect scene of sex, drugs, rock and roll, and Verhoven was just cooking.

I love that one, but Robocop's in it.

So what was your suggestion for it was the between the leg shot, right?

I have a Ed 209.

Oh, Ed 209.

I just think that's when the movie really grabs you by the balls and takes and is like come we're coming for a ride so imagine that you picked that as the most rewatchable scene and robo cop's not even in it and i get it like that that's this movie it's awesome craig what'd you have for most rewatchable scene

it's honestly i i love all the boardroom scenes i love the people who work in the office all these like loser guys i the guys saying that's life in the big city awesome that that love all that It's it's very uh succession way star Logan Roy.

Yeah, you could see Ed 209 coming in because Roman's like, dad, I got this new idea for crime robot, Ed 209.

And then the robot shoots Carl.

What's the most 1987 thing about this movie?

A lot of options.

What do you got?

The stop motion robot special effects, which were very...

Do you like them?

Do you like now watching it?

Way better than Terminator.

Terminator's three years earlier.

I just thought,

I don't know.

It's kind of charming.

Now they would be, you know, 100% better.

I adore adore him.

It's the guy.

He's like the goat of stop motion.

Phil Tippett's the guy who did the chess scene in Star Wars.

He did the Walkers and Empire Strike.

He's like the Michael Jordan of Stop Motion did Dead 209.

I think charming is the word.

I like it.

It kind of still is cool and I like it better than all the CGI.

I like it.

Stands on.

Me too.

Over the top 80s street thugs.

That's in there.

Somebody watching eight TVs through a window on the street is very 80s.

Nobody, when was the last time somebody watched eight TVs in a window in a store?

I don't know.

no store would put the tvs in the window because somebody would just break the window and take the tvs plus you have you have the plasmas there'd be like no way to do it you couldn't even sit them up

lee iacoka elementary school is great snuck in there great pull could have won a little easter egg you don't catch the first time around with robo cop could have won uh Falling out of a building backwards with the, because Die Hard has it too.

I feel like that was some sort of era for that shot.

It always looked fake.

But your winner is Lisa Gibbons.

She's the most 1987 thing about this.

Talk about it.

Let's go.

I love Lisa.

I mean, Lisa.

So, Mary Hart's in there.

Mary Hart, I think, has,

you know, kind of killing.

I forget when Mary Hart joined Entertainment Tonight, but it was before, or they were kind of on each other's corner.

What did Mary?

80s.

I would say, what, 88?

She and John Tesch used to hold it down.

I remember.

Mary Hart.

All right.

I'm looking on Wikipedia.

She,

yeah, we're in the 86 range.

So she was earlier than Lisa Gibbons.

Okay.

Lisa comes in.

It's a little, Mary Hart's like, she's established.

Like she's about to be in a Seinfeld episode when Kramer hears her voice.

Like she's D-O-G.

Lisa Gibbons comes in.

It's a little ultimate word to Hulk Hogan.

Like, I have,

I'm going to come in.

My entrances are going to be louder.

I'm going to be bringing a little more.

There was a little more sex appeal with Lisa, and she had a great run.

And every high school kid had a crush on her in the 80s.

I'll tell you that much, including this guy right here.

I can tell.

And it's not Lisa, it's Lisa.

Lisa.

Yeah, there's like an automatic just felt a little

porn-ish, a little stripper-ish.

Just the name gave her like this

extra sauce.

Meanwhile, she's competing against Mary Hart,

right?

The

least sexual name.

It's like Lisa Gibbons, but I always dug her.

There's a funny red carpet moment when James Gandalfini was still alive and he ran into Mary Hart and she's trying to interview Tony Soprano and he says to her, you were my childhood crush.

Like he loved Mary Hart.

Personally, I was a Nancy Odell guy.

Still am for life.

Love Nancy Odell on that circuit.

Love her.

Wonderful woman.

What's age the best?

We mentioned in future crime-ridden Detroit.

We mentioned Kurt Rud Smith playing a bad guy.

Yeah.

Where do you stand on dead or alive?

You are coming with me.

Murphy says it, then Robo says it.

I enjoy that they have the callback.

I like the callback.

I like the writing.

It's listen, this is a lot of time.

This is one of many times we'll talk about this movie comes up against Terminator, and it's kind of the version of I'll be back.

It's sets up deliberately to be a catchphrase.

It's short, concise, it works.

And when he says it the second time at the gas station and Emil recognized it, it's a really good moment.

His acting is really good in that scene.

I have a bunch of other ones.

Do you have any what's age the best you're passionate about?

Yeah, I'm passionate about two villains in a movie is awesome.

I think that works.

You have Bob Kirk.

You have Dick Jones.

Think about

Dark Knight has two villains.

Silence of the Lambs has two villains.

Return of the Jedi has two villains.

And you kill one and then there's still business to take care of.

I think that works a lot.

And it really works here with Derek Jones with Dick Jones and Bodeker.

So like two elite pass rushers in the NFL, but better?

Yeah, it's like the 96 Packers had Sean Jones and Reggie White.

And it's like, shit, we can't chip block everybody.

You can't double team Bodaker and then Dick Jones is going to get you.

Exactly like that.

It's like the Steelers, if if TJ Watt was still good, what they would have done.

Oh, sorry, Craig.

I just want to make sure that TJ Watt washed it.

What was he talking about?

TJ Watt took the last six weeks off of the season last year.

He was there in uniform only.

Yeah.

We'll see.

We'll see, Craig.

Here's a good one.

So Emil stops to get gas for his motorcycle.

Yeah.

Did you notice the price of the gas?

I did not.

$5.79.

Oh, he got it on Fountain in Hollywood, huh?

It's literally HMBS because I think that's right what the price is now.

Is that true?

Yeah.

Media Break as a futuristic news show, it feels kind of has internet bones, right?

Sure.

I could see Media Break being some weird YouTube channel that has 15 million subscribers.

You don't know how many of them they bought.

Yeah, they probably bought 14 and a half million of them, but still, Media Break, doing well.

Sure.

Love it.

Atsios is thinking of buying them.

Bring them in, get new talent, and just churn out, churn out takes all day long.

Verhoven loved the American news.

He was like really amused by it because he's like, Yeah.

In Holland, like it was just one man with a graphic over his shoulder.

But in the United States, it's like two people like kind of laughing all the time in between stories.

He's like, I thought it was so funny.

And it is funny.

It's a weird thing that we did and still do.

It's still really funny.

He dialed it up at the end where they would go to break and it would just close in on their eyes and there would just be the screen of 20 eyes.

I thought for what's age the best, the 6000 SUX is fucking hilarious.

Talk about it.

How

did these new SUVs?

They call it the SUX, but I just,

I don't know when SUVs really started, but it was right around then.

And they're just, Very Hubbard's like, we're going after this.

You went, it was the transition because there used to be minivans.

And that was all through the 80s, early 90s, mid-90s, you started seeing like your Chevy Blazer.

and the Jeeps became big and the X6000 SUX.

This car sucks, but bigger is better.

And they do the stupid dinosaur commercial.

That's the stuff that makes this movie fun.

I love it.

Couldn't agree more.

Also making the movie fun.

Anytime a movie character is named Dick, which we don't really have anymore because nobody would name their kid Dick, but in the 80s and 90s, we had a lot of dicks.

This is a fantastic take.

Go ahead.

When somebody does the pause

before they say dick,

and we see this in there where it's like, uh,

dick,

it just just works every time.

We need more dicks.

I take that soundbite and loop it.

I couldn't, I couldn't agree with that.

I just fucked myself for that.

No, you're five.

You know, it's the perfect thing.

The good thing is the internet is always nice about this stuff, and they won't

do we need more dicks at all.

Awful announcing.

Bill Simmons, we need more dicks.

Yeah.

Bill Simmons eviscerates dicks.

But the guy who does it, exactly what you're saying, our guy, John Bender, when he's talking to Vernon, expect better manners from you, dick.

And it's just, it's, name your better guy's dick.

It always works.

This was the heyday for dicks.

Hell yes.

I'm next mountain for dick.

I love tidbits like this.

The RoboCop suit was so hot and heavy that Peter Weller was losing

three pounds a day from water loss.

Incredible.

They had to put an air conditioner in the suit so he didn't like basically

become emaciated.

Can we talk about Weller and the suit for a sec?

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff on that.

All right.

So the suit, it was, the suit kind of strikes me as maybe as like the shark in Jaws, where it was really difficult to work with, very, very problematic.

But Weller shows up to this thing and is like this theater trained guy does ballet, studying Mimery and shit.

And like he runs marathons.

He met acts it.

Yes, runs marathons, literally runs marathons, method acts it.

And people are like, he had to be called either Robo or Murphy when he's on set.

And you always think that's all bullshit and the actors deny it.

Weller is like, fuck you.

Yes, I method acted it.

I prepared for six months.

I'm in the suit at 130 degrees.

I don't give a shit what you think.

Call me Robo and Murphy.

And I think it's cool.

He owns it completely.

There's so much stuff about how some of the actors thought this was the most ridiculous thing ever.

They're like, you're in a fucking robot suit, dude.

Settle down.

You're not Sir Lawrence Olivier.

You're not Siri.

Yeah, you're Richard the Third over there with your gun and your helmet.

He's like, I'm treating this like I'm Richard III.

Get out of my face and call me Robo.

Well,

other piece of it with the suit that this killed me that he did like three months of martial arts training.

So when he got in the suit, he would be like, be able to, and then the suit, like, you couldn't move, you couldn't do it.

You basically.

And he was like, fuck, I did all this martial arts training for nothing.

He was like pissed about it.

He signed up for a Robo cop movie.

It's a Robuck cop.

Would you think you were going to be like Bruce Lee?

Yes, he did.

Last What's Age the Best?

You mailed me a picture.

It's a pretty famous picture that I've seen on Twitter a few times.

Yeah.

It's a Radio Shack, Valley Fourplex.

And

hold on, let me.

It's the marquee for the movie theater of what playing that weekend.

Yeah,

it's really cool.

I mean, take your pic.

Jesus.

The internet caption on Instagram right there, the caption is, take me back.

Lost boys, RoboCop, Predator, full metal jacket.

God damn.

I take that in two years.

They had it in one weekend.

We really knew what we were doing back then.

The big kahuna burger award for best use of food and drink.

What do you got?

Well, the organic food paste that RoboCop eats.

Tastes like baby food.

It was made out of parsnip, tomato puree, and crushed butterfingers bars.

All right.

Sounds good.

Sounds like a frozen yogurt.

I'm in the bag.

I thought I would eat that right now.

What'd you have for the Great Shot Gordo award for most cinematic shot?

I have when the two hooligans are with the woman in the alley and he shoots between the legs, when Robo gets gets out and the shadow is projected against the wall behind them and he looks huge and it keeps getting bigger.

Really cool shot because as he walked towards them, the shadow would actually get smaller.

So they had him walk backwards so he gets bigger.

Like fucking brilliant shot.

Love it.

Verhoeven.

Yeah.

Cooking.

So I don't have a Kid Cutty Pursuit of Happiness Award best needle drop, but I do have a note.

Unless you have a, do you have a I have two giant question marks under it.

Just, I don't know.

So he goes to the nightclub when

one of Bodeker's henchmen's in there, and he the scene when he kicks RoboCop in the balls, which is a bad idea.

The guy's a metal robot.

I feel like they really missed a great song choice possibility for that scene.

And this is where Verhoeven, you know, being a Dutch filmmaker, I just don't think he was on it because he could have gone,

he could have gone like Rockwell.

I always feel like somebody's watching me.

Could have gone that direction.

We could have gone into the little alt late 80s alt.

We could have done like a Peter Murphy cut you up,

or we could have done some,

you know, somewhere like a

good point, though.

Somewhere like in the, somewhere in that indie 80s, could have done some XTC.

I don't know what, I don't know what I wanted, but they didn't give it to me.

I would jump in too with like a hair metal Death Leopard.

Do you take sugar?

Yeah, they could have done Def Leopard.

They could have done Duran Duran.

They could have done there's a lot of cool shit they could have played there.

Again, they pretty shoestring-thin budget, and they're trying to put it into his metal balls instead of the music.

But a banger needle drop there would have really worked.

Damn.

Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers Award for best character name.

It's obviously Dick Jones.

Dick Jones.

Name your villains Dick.

Young screenwriters.

It works.

Just name them Richard, and someone can call them Dick.

We only really have football coaches left named Dick.

And they're a dying breed as well.

Dick the the Neal is a hawk.

Yeah.

Dick LeBeau.

I mean,

let me ask you this.

Are there like

people alive now who are kids who will be dick someday?

Like, let's say you're named Richard and it's a family name and you're Richie or Rick or something.

Are dicks as a name done?

I think Dickie can come back.

Dickie Greenleaf.

Yeah, like Dickie seems kind of cool.

No, I think you just audible right to Richie or Rick.

Craig, do you know any dicks?

No way.

Dicks are dead.

Forever, though?

Like, won't they come back like Rosemary and Dorothy, all those vintage names?

Like, will you ever be at a travel baseball game and some parents yelling, come on, dick, just throw strikes right to the glove?

No way.

Dick is dead.

I think Guy is dead.

No more guys.

Never understood that one.

Names go away.

I mean, we haven't seen an Adolph in about 60 years.

Like, sometimes

it's just like, boom, we're done.

We're never having another one.

And I think dicks have reached that point.

Yeah, but there's still kids named Harry, and Harry is like dick's stupid brother.

You know, like, right, and I just wonder.

We'll see.

Dick Jones.

You have a flex category, Kyle.

What is it?

Uh, oh my god, I have so many choices.

Um, I was gonna do the uh, does this movie have a porn parody?

But it obviously does, and it will take you two seconds to think of what the name is.

Um, what was it?

Robocock?

There you go, Horlbeck.

Yes, Robocock.

Robocock?

It's gotta be.

What else?

It's gotta be.

It's right there.

And you know what?

Honestly, Bill, like, given Verhoeven's like horniness, like, he probably directed it.

You know what I'm saying?

Yes, I directed Robocock and he says, come quietly or there'll be trouble, but the coming is the reach in the orgasm.

It's a great movie.

He would have directed the porno parody of his own fucking movie if they asked him to.

All right, no, my real flex category is I'm actually going to go with the Fortune 3 Clap Award for most giftable moments.

When Robo's brand new and he's in that chair in the factory and he starts having those dreams, he starts going like,

and if you go to Twitter right now and type in the gift search RoboCop, it is that moment of RoboCop like with his mouth open.

And it's all tweets of like,

I'm not even going to say them, like when she stops, but you're still, and it's like the person's draft kick is terrible.

And then it's the RoboCop.

Like Red Sox trade deadline.

Here's my reaction to the Red Sox trade deadline.

Yes.

Yes.

And it's a really funny gift to use when something terrible happens because he definitely looks like someone is performing something on him and it makes me laugh.

That's a great one.

I thought you were going to go for Folks category.

The did this movie need a sports scene?

A random sports scene?

Because we had Detroit.

And could we have had Clarence's gang?

I think it's Clarence's whole extended gang, little pickup three and three hoops.

I think we would have to go.

In the warehouse, Yeah, in the warehouse, there's a hoop and they're just

half court only or maybe a shooting contest, something like that, I think would have won.

Well, if they remade it now, Clarence's gang would have their own pickleball court and they would just get after it in between killing cops and stuff.

I mean, that would be the reason to kill them.

They're not even committing crimes.

They're just playing pickleball.

RoboCops like, we gotta take these guys out.

I mean, Luca Donjit saying he lost weight partly by playing pickleball is

one of the worst things that's happened in 2025.

Hope that does start a trend.

Just what we need, more pickleball.

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All right, Butch's girlfriend, weak link of the film.

I have one.

Do you have one?

I do.

Mine's a little asymmetrical.

I do have one.

You want me to do mine?

Yeah.

This is kind of a hot take, too, for Rewatchables.

The weak link of this film is that this movie is too short.

I want more.

I've never said that I'm on a movie before.

I am tired of this Koral Beckian philosophy that everything has to be 20 minutes long.

It's too short.

It's 102 minutes.

I need five or 10 more minutes.

Terminator 1 is 107.

Predators, 107, lethal weapons, 109.

I want two more scenes.

And if you look, there was supposed to be a chase scene at the end where the Terrence's guys use, the Clarence's guys use the big guns.

I would have liked to see a chase scene with the guns.

And there was supposed to be a scene where RoboCop goes to the cemetery and sees his own grave as Murphy.

That sounds heavy metal as shit.

I would like to see that.

I've never said it before.

The weakling of this movie is that it is too short.

I want more.

I'm going to let Craig respond to that.

Craig, if you want to come on the Zoom, even better.

Look, you're wrong.

You're wrong.

And

I won't allow it.

However,

you make a compelling case.

I thought the movie is so tight, I think they literally don't even develop Murphy enough.

Like, how is there not a scene of Murphy with his family in real life at the beginning of this movie?

Like, he should be kissing his wife goodbye, playing with his kid.

So then you have that emotional connection, and Verhoven's like, fuck it.

We don't need it.

We'll do a couple flashbacks.

102 minutes.

Verohoven's like, I I need that extra 40 seconds for my cocaine cleavage scene.

Yeah.

Wait, Craig, stay on because this ties into my week week in the film.

I agree that this movie is like two scenes short, even though I love how fast it moves.

How is there not a scene where Murphy's wife finds out that Murphy is not a robocop and she shows up at the police station?

Yeah.

And then there's a lot of unexplored family stuff.

Yeah, instead of that wife being played by some actress, I don't know who it is.

Now it's Gina Davis.

And it's like, Gina, need you for one really good scene here where you go to the police station and you see Murphy and he doesn't recognize you, but he kind of, you start crying like, you've turned him into a monster.

Why'd you do this?

Like, it's the easiest layup.

And now Murphy's in crisis.

He's like, am I a monster?

He's looking at his robot arm.

It's just sitting there.

And then that's the bridge to the porn parody where he's looking at his wife and she's like, if you're a robocop, that means you must have a robo.

And then right now,

come quietly or there will be trouble.

I will respond to what you just said, Bill.

I have a theory about why that happened because after he dies, Lewis tells RoboCop she moved on really quickly.

My take, Murphy, maybe not so great a guy at home.

Maybe not so great a husband.

Maybe a little verbally abusive.

Maybe all kinds of, I think that she got out of there fast.

I think she moved on fast.

I think Murphy was fucking around.

We don't know what that marriage is like.

I think it was a disaster.

Some marriages with police officers, I'm sorry to say it, are rough because of the lifestyle.

I don't, for her to move on that quickly and not even come be like, where the fuck is Murphy?

I heard he's this robot guy.

No, she was out of there.

I think it's a great point.

Thank you.

Thanks, Craig.

Would say it's the worst.

The sequels.

Yep.

The 2014 remake.

Why?

Again, I've said this 50 times on rewatchables.

Don't remake movies when I can watch the original movie and it's still really good.

It's unacceptable.

I can still, it's on Amazon Prime right now.

You You can fucking watch it.

I don't need to watch the remake.

And then it gets confusing.

They're both RoboCop.

You can accidentally click on the Joel Kinneman one when you meant to click on the Weller one.

Like, I don't need it.

I don't need it in my life.

Call RoboCop 2014, but don't do it anyway.

Is there anything, Bill, that gets you more mad than when you're getting ready for this pod and you just Google RoboCop cast and the one from the remake comes up and it's Joel Kinneman, you're looking at you like, fuck, no one wants that.

No one is ever looking for that cast ever.

Even that cast themselves is looking for the original cast.

It's bullshit.

What stage is the worst police strikes so i looked this up we haven't had one in america since the 1910s how'd that go

didn't go great actually yeah i bet

um

what's age the worst robo cop joining sting in 1990 for wcw you might have it as a what's age the best

anybody listening this has to watch this clip Sting is in a cell, and I don't mean in the ring, there's a tall, small jail cell next to the ring.

RoboCop comes out, and it's, of course, it's not Peter Weller, and it's not the real costume, and robo cop's supposed to bend the bars and the announcers are like oh my god look at that strength but when he goes to bend the bar the whole wall comes off and he tries to put it back up it's it's absolutely horrible but if you love wrestling sting and robo like raising their hands together is great

this was a really weird era the 90s for movie promo tie-ins to actual wrestling plots yeah

We mentioned for Woodstage the Worst RoboCops costume.

Weller was so frustrated that he fell out with Verhoven, who fired him.

Went to try to get Lance Henriksen as a replacement

from Alien.

And

it was just too hard.

The costume was designed for Weller.

They would have to make a new costume, so then they had to kind of make up.

Weller came back to the movie.

Weller sounds like he might have been a little too method of a method actor.

He was really method.

It's like he definitely gets some settle down from me um and and yet weller would look at you bill simmons and say scoreboard look up at it creep i crush this role lance hendrickson can suck it it's like the guy trying too hard in like pe class or something you know it's like right settle down

diving diving for kickballs um

my last one

the the lead is it's a white guy named Clarence Bodaker.

Can we talk about this?

I used to have, when I had my column, I used to, I had the Reggie Cleveland Hall of Fame because the Red Sox had this picture named Reggie Cleveland, and it was just this dumpy-looking white guy.

Clarence Bottaker?

How did they come up with Clarence Bodeker?

Does this guy seem like a Clarence Boteker to you?

Well,

let's go directly to the Parentino script in True Romance where Clarence Worley, in which Drexel says, it reads his name and says it doesn't sound like it fits him either.

And it's also Clarence.

Yeah.

So I just got wildly distracted, though, Bill, when you were talking about your old column, because my favorite group used to be the Lindsey Hunter All-Stars, who are athletes that sound like hot girls.

I used to love that shit.

Lindsey Hunter sounds like a girl I dated.

She was a publicist in L.A.

The best one ever was when I did that.

I had the Lindsey Hunter All-Stars.

Then like two years after I started it, Charlotte, the Charlotte Hornets drafted Alexis Ajinka.

And it was like, this is definitely a super model 1990.

Like she took the cover from El McPherson.

Did you see Alexis Zajinka on the new SI?

And it was a power forward for the Hornets.

So that was amazing.

Wow, is he dating Alexis Ajinka?

No, he's still with Stacey Hogman.

I love that shit.

All right, that's it for

Woodsage the Worst.

The Overacting Award

McGill Ferrer kind of dials it up a few times as Bob Morton.

Did you have another candidate though?

You know who overacts?

Ed 209.

Get the fuck out out of my face falling down the stairs.

He balls on his back.

He's crying.

His legs are fleeing.

Yeah.

Shut the fuck up, Ed 209.

I don't like that part of it.

I think he gets it.

Ed 209 had some flaws.

Shooting people in the boardroom.

Can't walk downstairs.

Like they really rushed down.

Can I give you an Ed 209 take?

Yeah.

I think Ed 209 is

a Freudian metaphor.

I think it's a penis thing for Dick Jones.

I completely, I think Dick Jones has nothing down there.

It can't work down there.

And this thing is this big, giant metal with balls that shoots.

And like, his name is Dick E.

D.

E.

D.

209.

I think Dick Jones was dealing with some of that.

When we see Dick Jones in the bathroom, he's on the toilet sitting.

I think he's peeing and hiding.

He has no wedding ring on.

He doesn't like how, what's his name, Bob Morton, like womanizes.

I think it is a big Freudian, like, look at this giant metal unit.

And it's, that's how it was in the 80s.

I feel like it's the metaphor for that, and it doesn't work.

He's just sitting in the bathroom stall looking at a sad pud that used to work

with no phone, by the way, just sitting there.

Thinking about how to create Ed 219.

Maybe more of a thing.

I like that take.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

Hottest take a word.

I have one of my favorite ones I've ever had, but you go first.

Hell yes.

You want to go first?

No, you go first.

I'll go first.

My hottest take is that this movie chokes.

It chokes.

And And at the one-yard line, it Deshaun Jackson's, meaning we have an entire long movie of state-of-the-art craftsmanship and incredible 1980s technical special effects.

And in the last 30 seconds of the movie, we get that asinine Dick Jones monster puppet fall shot out of the window.

And it makes fucking,

it's so, so, so, so bad.

And it's so disappointing.

It makes Mac and me look like avatar.

It's, they take the, the, the creature from the Tool Sober video and throw it out.

And they didn't even need to have that in there.

They've done all these brilliant special effects shots.

And I feel like it blows a 3-1 series lead right at the end.

And they choke at the goal line.

And you walk into the lobby, you're like, what was that last shot of that dumb puppet falling out?

Terrible.

I hate that.

That might have been the half-star for Ebert.

He might have got three and a half stars with a minute left.

And you mentioned this, the tough beat, and people point this out.

The year later, you have Hans Gruber in the same exact shot, and it looks awesome.

yeah i just think i think robocop blew the 28 to 3 lead did not get nominated for an oscar for special effects predator and inner space only no nomination one for sound and i think the voters were like i can't nominate that with that thing falling out the window it looks so bad it's it's it's a shame that it ends that way it's a great point

What's yours?

I can't, I'm curious.

You said one of the best ones you've ever had.

Let's go.

Yeah, this is really good.

It's meaningful.

Ties into all your appearances on the pod.

I think out of all the movie roles and any rewatchables we've ever done,

I think this is the one you could have, when we say the what if Kyle Brandt's acting career,

soaps, you know, you're in real world, then you're in the soaps and it's like someday I'm going to be an actor, maybe I could even be an action star.

I think you would have been a great RoboCop.

You have the chin.

You could have figured out the costume, you're athletic.

I just think this could have been it.

Like out of any movie we've done, you as RoboCop, it really excited me

uh i'm flattered thank you and i if it would be like this and come quietly or there will be trouble um bill knows i i was on days of alive for three and a half years and they offered me a contract extension and i said no no no no no no i'm going off to be uh matt damon and i got this thing and then like a year later i was broke and depressed and sleeping in my robe the last thing i ever auditioned for bill my last hollywood acting audition was a remake of knight rider uh they did a remake like i don't know 15 20 years ago And I got really far in the process of getting cast in the Hasselhoff role and then didn't get it.

And that was like my moment where I was like, this is it.

I got to get out of here.

So I wish there would have been a RoboCop, man.

I don't know if we'd be having the same conversation.

I think you could have done it.

Thanks, buddy.

Casting What Ifs.

Jonathan Kaplan was supposed to direct, but decided to do Project X instead.

I don't remember that one.

Project X was with Matthew Broderick and Monkey.

Oh, the Monkey.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

Odd movie.

Verhoven dismissed the script twice didn't understand the comedy in it

and then his wife was like no no this is good you should do this movie and then he ended up doing it they speaking of kyle brand they spend six to eight months searching for an actor to play alex murphy you were too young

yeah

schwarzeneger

ironside

They they kicked the tires on Rucker Hauer.

Verhoven's like, let's just get Rooker.

They were like, no, we're not getting Rucker Hauer.

Tom Behringer, Armin Asante, keith carridine my favorite choice james reamar hell yes yes gans from 48 hours i'm into remar i'm into all those guys um i so i watched uh there's this there's this documentary on amazon called robo dock this unbelievably thorough exhaustive detail really well done about the making of this and when they're talking about the casting of robo cop they flash through some headshots and some of the names you mentioned.

Did you come across this?

Because in the dock, there's a headshot and the headshot potentially to play play Murphy is our guy, Stephen Seagal.

And I'm like,

is that possibly true?

Is that fucking real?

So I did not see that, but this is crazy because my recasting couch director city category was Seagal as RoboCop.

It's just a better movie.

It's just Seagal being trapped in the Robo thing, but trying to add Seagal things where he's in, no, no, I don't think RoboCop should get shot.

All the shots miss.

He's just cleaning out.

He's never in danger.

Nobody ever shoots at him.

I just think it's a funnier movie.

Let's spit all this.

I think it'd be cool if RoboCop had like a metal ponytail and a metal beret and he has his badge around his chain.

And you know how he walks like,

he's like, anybody seen Clarence Bodaker?

Right.

Anybody know why Clarence Bodaker did Murphy?

Oh, fucking.

I'm going to take Rosabank Dick Jones to the blood bank.

We need this.

Also, in the beginning, in the warehouse, he could have had like karate fights with guys before they finally got him and shot.

He could have done Seagal shit, yeah.

Um, but he never would have taken it because the guy loses in the movie, and Segal never loses.

Never, nobody ever landed a punch on Seagal.

One two by four in that one movie that out for justice.

That was it.

Somebody got him with a two by four, recovered right away.

Um,

Stephanie Zimbalist

was cast as uh Ian Lewis, but had a Remington Steele pickup.

Tough.

Couldn't do it.

I had a huge crush on her in the 80s

and ended up getting Nancy Allen instead.

Weller was the only person out of all the actors who wanted to be in and Verhoeven liked his chin.

So that was it.

That's really what it came to.

Great actor.

Michael Ironside offered the role of Bodeker.

Did not want to be a psychopath again.

turned it down.

I wonder.

And then Kurtwood Smith auditioned for Dick Jones.

Thought he got Dick Jones, but they gave him Clarence Bodiker.

I wonder how many times Kurtwood Smith and Michael Ironside were up for the same role as people just wondered what the fuck was going on.

It's so true.

I think Kurtwood Smith probably like auditioned for Jester and Top Gunn in 87.

And then it's weird because Ironside then shows up in Total Recall and he's the bad guy again.

So he does get the role, but that's those two guys definitely flock together.

I think that was his settle-down moment when he turned down RoboCop and then two years later, it's like, fuck.

All right.

Yeah, total recall.

Do it.

Best that guy award.

So we already mentioned Paul McCrane, who is

Toxic Waste Emil.

Yep.

But I think the winner is Ray Wise, who is one of the other bad guys, the guy who kicks RoboCop in the balls.

Right.

I, for 40 years, thought that this was Sosa from Scarface.

I told you a long time ago not to fuck with me, Tony.

I told you what would happen.

But it's not.

It's a different actor.

I learned that this week.

I thought for 40 years, I thought it was Sosa.

And I was like, what?

Amazing range on this guy.

He played Sosa?

But no, it's Ray Wise, character actor.

I just have to shout out my guy.

We've done this before in this category.

The most legendary background ever, our guy, Alan Graff.

I have a picture of him because no one knows who Alan Graff is.

This guy.

This guy's in everything.

Oh, yeah, that guy.

He's in, we had him in over the top.

He's the guy in the donut shop with the gun and boogey nights.

He's in the background.

He's always the guy in the background.

He's in Magnolias and Jerry Maguire.

Alan Graff, wherever you are, if you're still with us, that's my guy.

Who'd you have for the DM Waiters Award?

To me, and I'm just like, I got to go back to my guy, Ed 209.

Three scenes, takes it away.

I mean, it's either him or it's Buy That for a Dollar Guy, but I think it's Ed 209.

I had buy that for a dollar guy, but you could go either.

Do you have a question about Ed 209?

At the end of the movie, when RoboCop blows him up, RoboCop comes in, Ed 209 walks up and goes, You are parked illegally.

You have 15 seconds.

So, does he blow people away for parking in the wrong spot?

Was he about to open fire because of a parking violation?

What's the problem?

I think Ed 209 had some serious malfunction glitches.

Yeah, he just shoots at anybody.

You know why I think that?

Because he murdered the guy in the boardroom for no reason at all.

Yeah, I don't think he was.

That's life in the big city.

Okay.

You know what?

I love that line.

Did you have a recasting couch or no?

Director City.

I would love to see a Wes Anderson version of RoboCop.

He's in like a corduroy suit and he goes into the Grand Budapest Hotel and beats people up with ironic banjos and typewriters.

That would be a totally different take on it.

Wes Anderson RoboCop, I'd like to see.

Fantasy would be the only one who liked it.

I listened to the big picture.

Wes Anderson has made the movie of the year

uh craig's choice for a flex category craig you gotta come on the zoom for this i'm gonna do a hottest take but i i want to give one quick other thought first verhoven wanted this to be an asexual movie well he failed because i want to shout out i want to use a little bit of my time to shout out dr tyler played by a woman named sage parker with glasses

big glasses kind of crushing it in this movie looked her up didn't really have a career thought she looked like a like parker posy's sister um i was very into her her thought there'd be more of her in the second half of the movie was a little disappointed that she disappeared she kisses his visor with the lipstick smack on there

it's kind of hot I like I was into her

anyway my hot take is that

is that RoboCop not that hard to thwart not that impressive of an invention like I think RoboCop's Madden score is like 82.

Okay.

People are shooting rocket launchers in this movie and he has one handgun.

He's incredibly slow.

He could, can he run?

Did we, can he even run?

We never see him run.

He can barely turn around.

Just like hit him with your car.

Yeah.

I just don't think he's that impressive.

Well, they show him driving, but we never see how he would have actually gotten into the car to drive because he seems so unflexible.

I don't even know how he got in the car.

I think, Craig, the deal was that they couldn't get him in and out of the car because he was too big.

So there's never a shot of him getting in or out of a car.

You bring up a great point.

You need to get away from RoboCop.

Just run.

Like he can't do anything.

Just run around the corner.

Climb the stairs.

Just turn him around a little bit.

You're done.

Yeah.

It would be like if the Cowboys, like everybody's like Micah Parsons, he's unstoppable, but he ran like an 11.040 and couldn't turn.

Can't block this guy.

It's like, no, he actually can't.

He can't move.

Use one of those big SUVs to run him over.

He's done.

That's a great take, Craig.

Congrats.

So you kind of did this already, but I had a bonus category in here.

The Steven Seagal Shitting On Himself Award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film show

just Weller

only responding to Verhoeven when he was addressed as Robo when he was the Robo cop I had had to find try to find it in multiple places because I did just didn't believe it

he's like hey Peter he's like

and Murphy

but Robo's funnier though Murphy I get Robo I don't think Robo I know not even say Peter so you got to turn around in the costume he's like uh Paul I thought we covered this

Can you call me Robo?

Peter, I need you on set, Peter.

Can you call me Robo?

Call me Robo when I'm on the set.

Like, I'm really into this character.

Half-fast earned research.

The RoboCop suit costs somewhere between 500K and a million dollars.

It was

the story was conceived.

I mentioned Neumeier before.

He was Universal Pictures junior story executive.

Edward Neumeier developed it with a guy named Michael Miner, who wrote it, and that was it.

Verhoeven wanted to film in Dallas because it suggested the near future.

I don't know if I agree.

Talking about the mid-80s, Dallas.

What would be the RoboCop city now for suggesting the near future?

Dubai.

Oh, yeah.

We'd have to go back to America.

Good point.

Richard Nixon was hired to promote the home video release for $25K and donated the money.

So you watched that Robo-Doc doc?

Yeah.

I didn't watch it.

Four parts.

Exhaustive.

The four parts where it was like, I'm tapping out.

Sorry.

Incredibly well done, though.

It's revealed in that doc that all the cops in this movie are named after notorious mass murderers.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Like Ramirez.

Yeah.

And serial killers, stuff like that.

See, RoboCop's got so many Easter eggs.

It's fun.

Verhoeven started taking prescription meds to cope with insomnia and was just apparently a maniac on this set, but got better as the years passed with movies, although Sharon Stone might say differently.

So, in what when Botaker's gang is blowing up storefronts, one explosion was bigger than they thought.

And you see the actors scattering, and

somebody's coat got on fire.

Ray Wise said he got some glass on his face.

He was excited.

They paid him extra.

Awesome.

The movie was refused an R rating 11 times, although Verhoeven said it it was eight.

And they just kept where like, you've got to tone down the violence.

But they were like, the whole point of this is

we're making fun of this stuff.

Like, we need the violence.

And then

the films cars, the police cars were 86 Ford Tauruses.

Yep.

Probably the peak for Ford Taurus.

I guess we'll cover an Apex Mountain.

Apex Mountain for Ford Taurus for sure.

And then RoboCop, huge VHS rental in 1988.

My biggest

massive.

Longest waiting list of the year.

And then a little bonus, Lisa Gibbons deep dive for you.

Give it to me.

She has three grown children and a rescue dog named Biggie.

Okay.

She's into rap.

She did Tony Robbins' infomercials in the 80s, which I forgot.

She hosted her own daytime show in the 90s for seven years.

Forgot that.

Seven years?

That's a good run.

What do you have for Lisa Gibbons?

Over under marriages.

I'll give you over under

three and a half.

You tell me how many times Lisa Gibbons has been married.

Lisa Gibbons' marriage is over under three and a half.

I would go under with three.

All right, it was four.

So the overheads, yeah.

Shit had FanDuel cover that one.

But she's settled down.

She's living her life.

68.

Macaulay is learning about Vincent Hannah and he hears he's been divorced three times because he's out there chasing guys like you.

Lisa Gibbons out there maybe chasing those celebrity news leaves.

I get it.

Apex Mountain, Lisa Gibbons, not yet.

No.

i think getting your own daytime talk show is probably apex for seven years yeah

detroit

that's pretty 87 pretty good in detroit early 90s bad boy pistons barry sanders lying early 90s it's got to be good call

peter weller i'm going to say yes Absolutely.

I love Weller, but this is all I got.

Verhoeven, no, but I think it's basic instinct for him.

So it's five years later.

Basic Instinct was bigger than Total Recall, which was big.

I think it is too.

After Basic Instinct, there's like this guy's a guy.

Movie Heroes Dying with the Christ Arms throwing up fallback.

I think it's Platoon, but we're right in the, we're right in the, I think if you combine it, this is kind of peak for that.

And then we're right toward the peak of the puppet falling backwards as our character, but it's actually Alan Richmond that figured it out.

Nancy Allen, No.

Famous Bodikers.

So you have Mike Bodaker.

Sure.

Really good 80s AO pitcher.

The Red Sox trade for him in 88

to make a little pennant push.

I'm sorry, 80.

They traded for him in 80.

Yeah, 88.

So the only two bodakers I could think of.

I didn't even know the pitcher.

So, yeah.

Ronnie Cox.

I'm going to say he's got this and Bev too in the same year.

This is Ronnie Cox Apex Mountain.

Great actor, too.

I love that guy.

Two years earlier, he's in Vision Quest with Linda Fiorentino staying at his house.

Yeah.

Modine, the horniest character in history.

Unbelievably horny.

Miguel Ferrer,

probably.

Yep.

Yeah.

Bob Morton, great.

Kirkwood Smith.

Probably that 70s show.

That was a pretty big show for like seven years.

Massive show.

And then it's got Kutcher and Mila, and

one of its characters is in prison now.

Like just all kinds of stuff to talk about with that show.

And yeah, I think it's, I've never seen one episode, but apparently he's really good in it.

He's the dad.

Important show on the Reddit Conspiracy Board.

Futuristic cop movies.

No, I mean, you got Blade Runner.

I mean, Blade Runner, Minority Report.

Blade Runner did a lot to inspire this movie, too.

I think it's Blade Runner still.

I agree.

Cruiser Hanks.

This is so funny.

Robo Tom.

Which one do you go with?

I did Cruise.

Cruise is way funnier.

I think that Cruise in the first 15 minutes, Cruise getting shot, Cruz having to take his helmet off and having like the bald Cruise cap on.

You don't see that.

I don't care cops a lot.

Like I feel like the only time maybe he has is Minority Report.

He's never really been in like a blue uniform.

Hanks did it in

Dragnet and he did it in the one with the dog, Turner and Hooch.

I think it's probably Cruz.

He did it with the dog.

Yeah.

I mix it up with K-9, which was John Belushi.

Mix it up with K-9.

What's happening?

That was like a massive thing.

Turner and Hooch is a classic.

Are you going to do the Turner and Hooch rewatch?

Listen, if there's ever a dog month, Turner and Hooch will be in Dog Month.

Dog Month.

It's good.

Dog Month.

High ratings.

People love dogs.

I would go with Cruz, though.

I would go with Cruz.

Me too.

Scorsese or Spielberg.

Interesting.

This could go either way, but this feels like very Spielberg trying to embrace his dark side, but not really getting there.

The problem is the hard R, the hard R rating.

Scorsese has to do it.

I mean, the Coke scene alone is him.

Spielberg did this movie.

It was called AI, and Haley Zole Osmond was RoboCop.

Yeah, you're right.

Scorsese.

It's a good call.

Scorsese.

So he's like,

he's like,

how many cocaine scenes are in there?

Like, we got two.

It's like, per, I'm in.

Sign up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman play?

Clearly, Bodaker.

What would you do on RoboCop?

No, no, no.

I saw this as like young, young, up-and-coming, like, twister, boogie knights, Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Not even him.

Like, one of the like people in the lab, like who works on RoboCop, and he kind of has like Scotty J energy, you know, and he's like a lab coat and he's walking next to RoboCop.

He's like, I like your suit a lot.

It looks really sexy.

Thank you.

I really like your name.

Thank you.

Like, I think he's just one of of these guys who steals the scene despite having like two lines.

I love him there.

He could have been Kinney.

Oh,

you love Kenny, dude.

Kinney is a hilarious, hilarious.

Oh, sure.

I'll volunteer, boss.

He could have done it like with his son of a woman kind of Phil Hoffman.

By the way, Bill, let me give you, there's one Apex Mountain I think is interesting.

Yeah.

Do you think, is this Apex Mountain for violent scenes that are hard to watch?

I'm talking about Murphy's execution.

And I have a list, okay?

Oh, I can't wait.

All right, so you got at the end of Casino, Tommy in the cornfield gets beaten up by Frank Vincent.

It's tough to watch.

The private Ryan slow motion stabbing in the end when they're in the room.

And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, don't.

Dandolphini in Alabama and true romance is brutal.

Ooh, that would have been my pick.

You have the hobbling in misery where she breaks his ankles, which I actually think is kind of funny.

And then there's like really horrible stuff like the American History X curb stomp, which is terrible for a million reasons.

Irreversible has an 11 minute scene that's unwatchable.

But I kind of, the true romance one, especially the director's cut is really tough.

It's not a fun topic, but I thought of this because I still had trouble watching the scene.

And I was like, is this the hardest scene to watch?

Put it this way.

When I show my little kid content now, like I don't care about profanity and usually I don't care about violence.

It's the sex I try to keep him away from.

He's only 11.

I would not want him to watch this movie yet.

I don't want him to watch that scene of Murphy being killed.

It's just too much.

Like,

I saw it too young, and I don't want him to.

It's intense.

I would have thrown Reservoir Dogs with the cut in the ear off.

Michael Madsen, our guy.

By the way, Species Pod, fantastic.

Just fantastic.

Oh, thank you.

One of the all-timers.

Yeah, that Gandal Feeney scene is,

I think that's the whole point, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's some other ones.

Man on fire

when he's torturing the guy in the car, but you're kind of rooting for him to do it.

I know.

Picking nits.

Yeah.

Whose idea was it to give Ed209

actual bullets for the boardroom demonstration?

Maybe we just go with blanks for the demo.

How about just blanks for the demo?

Just change out the bullets.

You're arming him with real bullets.

What if something goes wrong?

They're ripping out wires from the control board.

Maybe it just not load loaded 209

it's not it's not like he it's not like ed 209 went to the store and bought bullets like they're arming him with the bullets with a lot of them

yeah

uh hot take did murphy deserve to die

they go into a warehouse warehouse loaded with gunmen that they just chased there's no backup coming for 20 minutes nope there's no harder place to navigate than a warehouse with nooks and crannies and levels they're like we'll go in first

the rest of the guys will come in later How about this?

Just hang outside for 20 minutes.

Let's just chill.

It's like in the town when the guy looks up and sees all the guys with the guns.

The officer just looks back down.

Not today.

Just wait.

Not today.

Backup's not coming for 20 minutes.

Cool.

We'll wait for the backup.

Yeah.

Let's get six of them and two for us.

How do you feel about Nancy Allen's character not figuring out that Robocop's Murphy for like 30 minutes?

I feel all right.

The second she sees the gun.

Yeah.

And she worked with him for like 20 minutes before he was murdered.

All right.

That's probably their old friends.

All right.

Murphy had no family or friends other than this one wife and kid.

Nobody who knew he was nothing.

No.

Was anyone at his bachelor party?

That's a good point.

I mean, he probably got married.

College remainer checked in every once in a while.

No, this side piece, which I think he had, and that she didn't show up.

I have a picky nit about the family.

Like that, when he goes in that flashback, that is such a bullshit demonstration of what a family is like.

No family is that nice.

The kid is like, hi, dad, take a picture with me.

No kid says that.

He walks into the room.

Vernham doesn't understand American families.

At all, because you know what American families don't do?

It's the middle of the day.

The wife is in a robe.

It's like a Tuesday.

And she's like, I have to tell you something.

I love you.

What is that?

No wife behaves that way ever.

If anything, that wife would be like really annoyed that why is he doing this new job in the tough district?

We need more money.

We got to get out of this house.

Like that idyllic version of a family, Verhoeven fucking missed.

No family is like that.

Yeah, the way she says, I have to tell you something, I love you, you just have to assume there's a guy hiding in the closet that had just been having sex with her and she's trying to throw him off the scent.

I love you.

Yeah, definitely.

I have a problem with the RoboCop costume.

So why do you have the mouth and the jaw exposed?

It feels like all the shots, like you would just aim for his mouth, right?

You try to hit it.

And then when they're shooting at him, he's covering his jaw.

Like, why is it covering anything?

He's a fucking robot.

Why wouldn't he have just a full metal over his face?

Yeah.

Or like a little shield that comes down.

Like if he's in battle, like pull the shield down.

There was a lot of people who didn't want to play the role because they didn't want half their face covered the whole time.

And so that's it.

But maybe, maybe it's like it goes up and down, though.

It's like a mouthpiece in boxing.

Like, when you know you're in battle, you pull it down.

Like a welding mask.

Yeah.

Ed209 not being able to go downstairs.

I know it's funny, but I also like, that's just insane.

They didn't think of that.

He's chasing criminals.

There's criminals go up and downstairs.

You didn't figure this out?

Is Ed209 Apex Mountain for worst new technology rollout ever?

It's like him, Google Glass, Quibby,

ESPN Mobile, and Ed209.

Like, that's the worst thing I've ever seen.

Really?

Here's my last one.

Was Clarence Bodaker, was he a wanted criminal or not?

Yeah, no,

he's wanted for 31 cop killers.

31 deaths on his watch.

The mob boss of old Detroit.

But then in the last half hour of this movie, he's just strolling into Dick Jones's office, going through, saying hi to people.

So is he a criminal or not?

Yeah, Lisa Gibbons even has him on the news as like known mob boss.

Sometimes they do this in movies.

Like in 1989, Batman, like Carl Grissom and Jack Napier, they're just known mob bosses.

They just walk around and they do stuff in public and no one arrests them or anything.

So yes, it is a little odd.

Get it.

Do you have any picking nets?

No, just the one about the family would never be that way.

It's ridiculous.

Sequel, prequel, Prestige TV, all black cast or untouchable.

A prequel with Murphy in the other part of Detroit.

I'd probably watch five minutes.

All black cast, maybe.

If you're going to that, that would have been the 2014 answer if you're remaking robo cop like let's go all black cast and just go but they made all these sequels so i think that's the answer the real answer to this category is none of them it's video game and they made a load of video games and they're pretty cool the arcade game was awesome you could fight ed 209 that's the answer i'm embarrassed to say that uh

i'm so old that i had the computer game in the 80s you had a computer game yeah like on an apple computer or what did you have a commodore apple awesome 80 1988 that's the apple that me and Gus Ramsey used to play Micro League Baseball on all the time.

But I had a couple of

only a few games, but I think I had the RoboCop one.

I vaguely remember it.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, Peter Schrager, or Wilfred Brimley in the firm?

You know, I'm tempted to say P.

Schrags, but I need the scene where he shoots through the woman's legs.

I would love to have my guy, Gus Johnson, on the call.

And it's just robo cop young fella

couple of scumbags about to give this woman a brazilian goes to the thigh holster raises his gun

and beans all

your moon creep

here we go

love you gus great job

love you well see you've stepped on mine now i first of all i thought you were doing this for another scene but i had mike breen for Ed 209 killing Kitty.

Do it.

Do it.

15 seconds, five seconds.

Bang!

Bang!

Bang!

Bang!

He's just doing 40 bangs.

Kitty's just taking

all the shots, yeah.

See, the Schraeger take would be, he'd be like, Ed 209 is Mahomes, and him taking that loss early on is going to put a chip on Mahomes' shoulder.

And Mahomes is out for revenge this year, and I'm taking the Chiefs.

That's Peter.

He kills that take.

That's what he would roll with, and it'd be good.

Oh, I thought it would have been.

guys i talked to dick jones last week and he did not like what happened with ed 209 in the boardroom they're fixing it they think that robot's going to be great and it's going to be ready to go for the season yeah look everybody's moving on to bob morton that's i got news for you dick jones they still believe in him they still like him let's go

Love you, Peter.

I love you.

And he would give his amazing take and no one would laugh and respond.

It's like, I love you, Bob.

Yeah, just freeze faces in the split screens that ESPN for it.

Just want to ask her who gets it?

Special effects?

Uh, no, well, the sound effects actually won, special effects, not

sound effects won, then sure, okay, sober character.

Yep,

probably unanswerable questions.

So, we have no idea what year this movie is in.

Yep, apparently, there was a commercial for the film's home video release that said the movie was set in 1991, but nobody's ever established that.

Um,

what year do you think this movie was set in?

If you had to pick a year, it probably has to go at least 30 years ahead.

Well, it's tough because they have all this technology, but there's no cell phones.

So nobody makes a cell phone call the whole time.

But do they know?

I guess in 87, they probably should have known cell phones were going to be a bigger part of it.

Because we had the Gordon Gecko phone already.

Like they should have known.

They figured out DVDs.

They didn't figure out cell phones.

Yeah.

It's like they made this in 86.

They probably thought this was like 20 2010 maybe 2005 20 some years forward i was gonna say like 2011 range like 25 years later yeah

um

i mean this is stealth robo cop question but do you think bob morton was behind transferring cops into the worst parts of detroit that could eventually be good robo cop yeah like he's almost like scouting combine it and it's like there's this guy murphy and the other part like he's really good it's like transfer that guy over we got to get i think it's almost inferred in the movie that murphy's sudden transfer to the rough thing is because murphy fit the profile they set him up to be killed and then they could use him because they needed to be aerobic

was it basically they scouted him

this is our guy yeah clarence bottaker is going to lure him in the backup's going to be 20 minutes away kind of weird it's not like detroit

houston i think it was completely masterminded yes completely all right so maybe that's answerable what piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie Something that we have not talked about yet in this podcast.

I'm going to have some friends over, some couples.

We're going to have some wines, some IPAs, some charcuterie, and we're going to play around to Nukem and we're going to get the game out and we're going to say, Pakistan's threatening my border.

I want real Nukem.

None of this Cars Against Humanity shit.

I want Nukem the home game, the best.

We forgot to mention,

that's a good answer.

We forgot to mention with those news breaks when they slide in stuff like two presidents have been killed in Santa Barbara, and it's clearly inferring it was Nixon Reagan.

But then they have this other one, I don't know why it's so funny, but um, rebels have taken over Acapoco.

Yep, in the in the mid-80s, Acapoco was like St.

Bart's, that's where everybody went, and um, and they just kind of slid that in.

But now I guess that could have been for most 1987 thing about this movie, so true.

Because now, if that happened, you'd be like, oh, I totally believe rebels took over acapoco.

87, it was like kind of a way to make fun of rich people.

My piece of memorabilia that I'd want from the movie,

I'd probably want the mask.

Yeah.

Just some, like, just have it behind me in the studio here.

I don't know.

That'd be cool.

Coach Finstock award, best life lesson.

You can kill somebody, but you can't take their humanity.

I don't know.

Dude, they'll come back.

They'll resurrect.

Or...

put blanks in Ed 209 the next time.

If there's any weapons companies out there developing new stuff and you're going to do a demo.

It's not really necessary.

20% boardroom.

What was it where like Elon was debuting the cyber truck and he's like, you can't break the window and he threw the thing against it and it broke.

That went terribly, but still led 209 significantly worse.

Best double feature choice.

I mean, you could go Terminator and go right into RoboCop right after and double robot it.

You could go Verhoven and do this with Star Ship Troopers or Total Recall.

I don't know.

What do you have?

The Terminator thing is interesting.

There's a couple of things.

I just want to say about this, because when the movie came out, allegedly James Cameron was pissed and he thought that they ripped him off.

And if you look at the timeline, RoboCop is being developed well before Terminator.

But there's a really interesting thing in Terminator 2, where there's a couple of things in T2 Judgment Day that are like, they look like rip-offs of RoboCop, like verbatim.

They both end in a steel mill.

There's a point where the T-1000 stabs Arnold with a spike and then wrenches it back and forth just like Bodeker does, like note for note.

And then the whole backlit SWAT team where they drop the Terminator and RoboCop is like note for note.

It's almost like Cameron was doing it on purpose because he thought they ripped it.

It looks just like it.

Like, you know how Larry does the spite store for Mocha Joe and Curb?

It was like

spite scenes.

It's almost note for note ripoffs of RoboCop.

It's crazy.

And we know Cameron's a dick.

Yeah, I think he's totally neurotic.

He's like, I know you guys ripped my shit off, so I'm ripping yours.

Look at those shots.

It's the same sequences.

Yeah, that's such a good buy.

Especially the steak is like almost no one.

See for note.

Really good one.

Who won the movie?

A lot of people could have been RoboCop.

We need the horny, blood-soaked Dutchman, Paul Verhoeven.

I think he absolutely cooked in every single sense of this.

I think it's him.

I had him as well.

All right.

Let's see what Craig thought.

Craig, had you seen RoboCop?

No.

And I haven't seen the new one, the Joel Kinneman one.

I kind of barely knew that existed, to be honest.

I enjoyed enjoyed this movie so much.

The B movie that's trying to say something, Trojan horsing you into a message.

This movie is interesting because I think if you're on your phone, if you're half watching the movie, it's kind of just a cheesy 80s science fiction movie with questionable CGI, which is a problem now because

most people turning it on, they're probably half looking at their phone and you miss so much.

But if you actually sit down, put your phone down and watch the movie, there is so much happening in the interstitials.

There's so much being subliminally kind of delivered to you that is just so interesting.

It reminded me a lot of They Live, the John Carpenter movie.

Just about its views on like the dystopian future and all the stuff like that.

I also think the villains in this movie are great.

To me personally, I feel like Nancy Allen and Peter Weller, I could take them or leave them.

If you recasted both of them, I think I'd be fine.

But I think the villains in this movie are awesome and they seem like genuinely terrible people and you really want them to die.

You know what's interesting about that?

I almost feel like he didn't want the two leads to have any sort of personality.

Like, he wanted the villains to have, to suck up the personality of the movie, would be my guess.

Well, that's kind of like, that's like the Batman formula, that the villains are so much more interesting than Batman.

The scene that we didn't talk about is in the bathroom between Bob Morton and Dick Jones, where he reaches back and touches his hair and pulls it.

Like,

that is what you call a dick-swinging contest, and it's a really good scene.

Yeah.

well i think like 10 years later this is brad pitt as robo cop as robo cop right yeah good chin like he would have fit it i i they probably beef it up i don't think they have peter it's channing tatum you know it's one of those guys would you have liked this movie more if it was amelio estevez as robo cop

I didn't even think about that.

There's a scene where RoboCop gets really high and then he screams and the glass breaks.

It's fucking awesome.

Rob Lowe, like like, they could have gone like that direction, right?

A little more famous, but I didn't know who Peter Weller was, but I also wasn't going to the movies to see Peter Weller.

Yeah, if it was Rob Lowe, when RoboCop takes off, they would need hair still.

Like, I didn't love the RoboCop.

I didn't love the Peter Weller bald cap, like Doris Vader situation going on.

That was a little uncomfortable.

I also don't know why he did it.

I guess it's him coming to terms with his humanity.

I do think technologically speaking, this movie's eyes were bigger than its stomach a little bit.

Like, they really tried, and maybe they were a couple years too

early on.

It struggles in some ways, I think, in the effects, but you know, they're doing their best.

Hey, Craig, when we do our live fantasy football draft on August 25th.

Yeah.

I'm going to demonstrate.

I'm bringing a robot in.

I'm going to demonstrate.

It's a robot fantasy thing.

We're going to do a little demonstration.

I want you to be the one that challenges him with a trade.

Hyphens would volunteer.

So I'll get him.

Hyphens would be like, I'll do it.

Ed 209 is like Anthony Richardson.

They're like trying to make him work.

He's firing missiles at

the flat.

Ed 209, I'll trade you George Kittle

for DeAndre Hopkins and Ivan Pacheco.

You have 15 seconds to accept this trade.

As Anthony Richardson is Ed 209 is the fucking funniest.

Everything looks good on paper

until he's faced with any sort of anything.

We're really trying to make this work.

Wow.

All right.

RoboCop.

Another winner for Craig.

We took him back to 1986, baby.

These movies don't miss now.

Like any of these.

I'm just in on all of these.

We've completely corrupted them.

I know.

102 minutes.

Come on.

There's still some left.

All right, Kyle Bran,

anything to plug, push?

What do you got?

Nah, it's just as usual.

We're doing my 10th.

season of Good Morning Football.

Wow.

Me and Live from New York, and I'll be getting after it as always.

What was the stuff with you in a suit with Peyton Manning?

Is that like a secret project?

What was that?

No, Eli Manning.

Eli Manning.

What was that?

I did a project with Eli where, remember, like, Bill, do you remember back in the 80s when Bob Hope would do his Christmas special and they would introduce the all-Americans?

Yeah.

They would run out and they're like, I'm Steve Young, BYU quarterback.

I love that.

We like kind of redid that and modernized it.

It was awesome.

It's coming up.

Oh, great.

Can't wait.

All right.

Thanks.

And then, Craig, Ringer Fantasy Football Podcast.

This is when it becomes essential.

We are now in August.

that's right this is it week two of training camp there was a real football game last night you know lots going on training right who's the number one overall pick it's

it's jamar chasersake one really at receiver not not not bijan i'm hearing about him no i'm not taking a receiver with the number one pick i'm sorry uh

also i'm not going to be in a draft with the number one pick because i don't still pick my nose and need it i'm an adult with a wife and a family and a job well no we're doing snake for our live draft i just want you to know that we have to all right i'll get some boogers ready i can pick them on the live show are we really doing snake yeah we have for a live stream the auction i mean that an offline auction is yeah really difficult to pull i guess we gotta do it can we call it the the first annual ringer boogereater fantasy football draft sounds good yeah that could be the name of the league all right that sounds good um who's the most polarizing fantasy football guy this year do we have one i mean is it justin fields kyle pitts and anthony richardson run it back no kyle pitts isn't polarizing anymore there's no he's gonna be sitting there building up he's gonna be risking there in like the seventh round.

And you're like, he's got such uptight.

He's so fast.

For how cheap they are, they are basically going undrafted now, which is why they're starting to get interesting.

The other team is the Dolphins.

It's like, is Tyree kill over the hill?

Devon Achan, when he's with Tua, he's the best fantasy running back in the league.

When he's not with Tua, he's one of the worst.

Dolphins are really hard to predict right now.

So it's not Justin Fields?

No, I think Fields actually is like kind of a high floor pick because

I think he's going to be like a massive

league.

He might rush for like 1,500 yards.

Yeah, I mean, they're committing to him.

There's not a real strong backup situation.

Like, if he plays 17 games, he's going to be a top 10 quarterback.

He just will.

Yeah, I think, to me, he's a polarizing one.

J.J.

McCarthy would be another one.

He's a polarizing one.

Oh, really?

For sure.

Well, because it's like, could you just plug and play him with the Sam Darnold stats?

It's the same offense.

It's a huge risk.

All the like, I mean, Justin Jefferson, even, it's like, how much do you take him second overall with J.J.

McCarthy?

What if he's terrible?

Where do you have Ed 209 in the rankings right now?

Is he in the top 100?

Yeah, yeah.

He just cracked it.

He's right next to Kyle Pitts.

I would rather take Ed 209 than Kyle Pitts and go through.

Kyle Pitts is the Ed 209 of fantasy players.

It's so true.

That should be his nickname.

All right.

Kyle Brandt, great to see you as always.

We're going to try to do one more of these in the next,

you know, I feel like we haven't done a Stallone in a while.

I'm just going to say that.

Let's put meat on that bone.

Let's see if we can.

There's some Stallone meat left.

Anyway, great to see you.

Thanks, Craig.

Always great to be here.

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