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All right, Heaven can wait, our first Warren Beatty movie.

You said this was one of your favorite movies.

Absolutely.

How come?

It was on all the time when I was a kid.

And, you know, looking back at it and doing some research on the movie, I didn't have any idea that it was taken as seriously as what it was.

Like a real critical and commercial hit.

Yeah.

But it was kind of just like a delightful, whimsical, metaphysical heaven movie, which they had a lot of back then.

There was this one.

There was The Heavenly Kid.

There was Old God and Old God Book Two.

A lot of movies that dealt with death and angels and God and stuff.

They don't really do that much of those.

All culminating in Highway to Heaven with Michael Landon.

Highway to Heaven with Michael Landon, which is a whole cultural phenomenon.

But this is one of my favorite movies when I was a kid.

Uh, really, really amazing screwball comedy.

Watching it again this time, it was just so great to see how, like, the bones of the Philadelphia story and Here's Girl Friday and kind of all the great comedies from the 30s and 40s informed this.

And you know, with all the people involved, it's sort of amazing to look at Warren Beatty and think about how famous he was and how he put all of his cred and energy into making this, which is essentially like this really light, sweet comedy.

I like his theory on, he's another one of those guys who put a lot of thought into stardom.

Yeah.

And sometimes you just have to let the camera cheer you up and just be handsome.

Yeah.

And talk in a low voice and just stare at a woman and just keep staring and they stare back.

And then you stare some more and you just seem like a movie star.

Yeah.

Very few people can do this.

I think Brad Pitt can do this now.

I think that was a big part of the minimalist approach.

Once upon a time in Hollywood, he's basically doing that with Cliff, but very few people.

I mean, who can do it now who's under 40?

I mean, I think also the way the movies are made and written and produced like demands a lot more.

I mean, there's a lot of exposition in this movie, but actors are required to do so many different things now.

It's crazy.

It's like, I guess you could say like he's a convincing L.A.

Rams quarterback in this movie, but what is?

He throws a good football.

He's a convincing L.A.

rich guy, and he's a convincing.

LA Playboy.

And he's a convincing, like, it's like, he just has this like star power at the center of this movie.

And the movie is actually just like a temple built to that.

He's also a convincing everyman playing rich guy.

Different dudes, yeah.

Right.

Which you have to be able to charisma yourself in and out of that as well.

There's just not a lot of guys out there or stars out there.

We look at movies, I think, in a different way now that you could give them a movie and go, if you're good in this, the movie works.

And if you're bad in it, it doesn't.

It's the Burt Reynolds.

And Burt Reynolds is probably somebody else who could have tried to play this role.

I don't know if he pulls off the rich part of it the same way, the Leo Pendleton.

He pulls off all the football stuff.

But I think what was so interesting about Warren Beatty is that he could be Leo Pendleton.

And it's believable that he's also Tom Jarrent or Joe.

Joe Pendleton and Leo.

Leo Farnsworth.

Yeah.

I'm getting my Joe and Leo's.

Yeah.

Be Joe Pendleton, Leo Farnsworth, and then just step into.

the Super Bowl quarterback at the end.

And I believe all three things.

I also would have believed him as a German race car driver.

Tywire walker.

By the way, I could have spent five more minutes with that.

Maybe he could have driven the

guy because he didn't speak English.

Yeah, he's in the 70s.

He didn't really like Germans that much.

Oh, still hadn't got over it.

But

Burton Reynolds is interesting because

you die.

Obviously, the football stuff would be amazing, right?

He'd almost be too good.

Almost be too good at the football stuff like he was in the longest yard.

But Warren Beatty depretties himself in this movie.

Like he seems, he's like legitimately one of the hunkiest, dreamiest, best-looking guys ever.

But he plays it so goofily and with so much heart that you believe that he is the dude that is on the outside of everything that is glitzy and glamoury and full of money.

I read the book again, which I really liked when it came out.

It's Peter Biskin's biography of him in 2010, which is very pre-too.

There's a lot of sex stuff in there that I now think would be written differently.

Pre-two.

Pre-two.

I didn't know that that was a phrase.

Yeah.

I just made it up.

Did you really?

Yeah.

Just on the cuff just now?

Yeah.

That's up there with the basketball pyramid.

I don't know.

I got to be honest with you.

Look, I am anti-dick riding and I never will do it.

I can't act like you just made that up, but I don't.

That's not a thing that I do, but I would be remiss if I didn't give you props.

You just made that up.

Now, if I read this in Vanity Fair somewhere or something like that, I'm gonna be a bit better.

Pre-2 is like a vulture piece.

But if you just made it up, I gotta give it up that that's pretty easy.

That could be a cash.

What's the miss pre-two thing about this?

Oh, we gotta add it.

Well, all these stories in there is like, yeah, six times a day, and then he'd get tired of somebody.

And just stuff like you wouldn't write about it as, oh, this

made Warren Beatty so interesting.

Yeah.

He had sex with a lot of women and then he wouldn't call them back or he'd get bored of somebody.

But apparently, by all accounts,

just

got it done.

Just a swordsman.

Yeah.

That's what shampoo is basically about.

So there's a part in the book about he was such a reputation as a swordsman that he felt like a pressure for it because he felt like when he was with a woman, they were expecting, you know, a dirt digger type experience.

I'm just a normal guy, but he would, you know, take these different vitamins to try to have more energy and just trying to keep up the legend.

I mean, he was with, he was even with Madonna.

Remember, he showed up in the truth of Derek documentary.

So when I'm first getting an idea of who Warren Beatty is, it's he's dating Madonna.

Yeah.

She's the biggest thing in the world.

It's heaven can wait.

Um, and it's uh

a little while after that, it's about star, it's Dick Tracy, and and then Bugsy, and then that was his last run.

And then Bugsy becomes such a huge deal, and it doesn't land with a thud, but it doesn't land like he wanted it to, but had a lot of Oscar nominations.

We always talk about it that year.

It was like a big Bugsy, yeah, that was a big Premier Magazine movie, yeah.

Yeah, um, but then imagine being me, and you were introduced to Carrie Fisher and Warren Beatty in Star Wars and in Dick Tracy and Heaven Can Wait.

And then you see Shampoo.

Shampoo blew my mind when I saw it.

Shampoo's an incredible movie.

Yeah, but just the adultness of it and how she was in the movie and how he was in the movie.

Yeah.

I was like, oh, then, you know, that's when people who have seen movies go, no, this guy was like, he was the guy of the town.

Like he was the Richard Gere of his era or something like that.

I always think about him in relationship to Redford around this time period because they're two very obviously famous movie stars who took real control over their careers, whether as producers or director producers or what have you.

And Redford, I think for the most part, kind of set the tone for the kind of movie star, especially the great actors that we have now, like a DiCaprio, say, for instance, where it seems like every time Leonardo DiCaprio works,

he wants to push the ball forward.

It's an important movie.

Sometimes it's about most of the times it's about an important issue, right?

But then there's like like this era where Warren Beatty would make these big movies and they were important, but they were also like pretty good times at the movies.

Like he was still remembering the entertainment value of like just hanging out with a group of people in Los Angeles for two hours.

And I think that that's something that's sort of been lost.

But Redford was also like a really big, I feel like Redford made issue movies.

I feel like he made movies because he was like, this is an important film that everybody needs to see.

Do you see?

See, kind of like the comparison I'm making a little bit.

And then Newman was always trying to prove that he was more than what people thought he was.

Right.

Warren Beatty was just like, I either want to make a lot of money with this movie or I want this to hit for me in a real way.

Well, this

kind of did both.

I guess to your point, I wonder if our appetites have changed to the point to where those

issue movies that guys make now that like we can't have, we can't have fun and be serious anymore.

It doesn't seem like the screwball comedy is the type of movie that's going to get like taken seriously by the critics or it's going to get you lauded in a way.

You either have to go, look, it's me, it's Denis, we're in the desert, we're doing something, or you have to decide, hey, you guys, come have some fun.

I'm going to go do a movie with the Fairleigh brothers or with Adam McCain.

And I don't know whether that's a good or bad thing.

The times have changed.

Like if George Clutony made this movie 10 years ago.

Even 10 years ago, you could see it being in like a nice Amazon movie that you watch like randomly on a Friday night and be like, oh, that was cool.

This is a $100 million movie that got mad Oscar nominations.

Yes.

Like it was like the centerpiece of the filmmaking culture.

The other thing he did, he was always the star of the movie.

He never fucked around.

He's never like, I'll take this, I'll take the Matt Damon part in Ocean's 11.

Like he never would have done that.

He would have been cluny.

He was always like, I'm going to be the guy in the movie.

If there's a best looking woman in the movie, that's going to belong to me in the movie.

And I'm going to be the winner in the end.

He also died in a lot of movies too, which he wasn't afraid to um no like bonnie and clyde i mean bonnie and clyd it all takes off that's 1967 yep and he rigs it so that he makes it he's he ends up making a shitload of money from it he does an almond movie he does parallax view does shampoo

does heaven can wait and does reds he only makes i mean really like six six real big movies in like a 14 year span yeah he's very particular he was very deliberate he called can we talk about what he turned down sure

the Sundance Kid, yeah, uh-huh.

Michael Corleone, which would have been ridiculous.

Later, he turned down Gordon Gecko and Jack Horner.

The gecko role he should have took.

He would have been an amazing.

I, the one, the one real regret he said he had was not doing Jack Horner.

He really wished he had done that one.

Um, and there's apparently, I don't know how apocryphal this is that he was pushing to play Dirk Digler.

He was pushing it.

Well, he was for boogie nights, yeah, for boogie nights, yeah.

And PTA was like, No, he's like a 17-year-old kid, were 58.

Like, you can't.

He's a no, no, here's how it works.

He was also,

he got pretty far down the road with playing Bill and Killabill.

Right.

He had that.

He had The Sting.

Great Gatsby.

Superman was the original call for that.

Splash, Big,

Dave,

Indecent Proposal, which would have been great.

And then Misery.

which Goldman wrote about in his book.

And Warren Beatty just didn't want to be in the bed for that long.

He felt like he was like neutered in the bed.

He couldn't do it.

You know what?

When you look at that,

when you look at that list of movies that he turned down, and then you look at some of the movies that he did, it's interesting why he would

make some of the decisions.

Like,

maybe it's just because, okay, so he does like Dick Tracy, which is a, yeah, like this big, beautiful disaster, basically, right?

Um, a movie that means a lot to me, but like the movie is kind of like all over the place, or like, whatever.

Uh, I love Dick Tracy, by the way, but like to look at the script for misery and then kind of not want to do it.

I think he did want to do it.

He just couldn't 100% get there because he kept circling back and like, and then he's like, I don't know, in the bed.

And he couldn't get past the crippling scene.

That was a big thing for him.

He either wanted to be the hero or he wanted to have like a violent death, but to be play a guy who got crippled.

Just limping around, yeah.

He couldn't like get his head around it.

He also made three movies with Julie Christie.

He made McCabe and Mrs.

Miller, which was the Altman movie, Shampoo.

They broke up.

And then they did Heaven Can Wait.

And it was, they both dated different people after, but still had some sort of connection.

Yeah, it seems like there's some really good stories about them doing 80 takes of the same scene and them having a little cat and mouse game on the set.

He's proto-fincher and like apparently made Jack Nicholson cry on Reds, where Jack Nicholson's just like, what the fuck do you want from me?

And, you know, like, hack me.

Just do it against CR.

Yeah.

Do it against CR.

Do it one more time.

And not even getting notes.

I just have to do Wayne Jenkins.

I was going to say, yeah, I'll do do Wayne Jenkins over and over and over.

Thank you, Dave.

Do you think Beatty has faded a little bit in terms of

the star power or

the level of attraction that these 70s films have?

Like,

I think that these are some of the great movies of the last 50, 60 years.

Bonnie McClyde, McCabe, Mrs.

Miller, Parallax, Parallax especially, but Shampoo and Heaven and Reds.

But I feel like he's less kind of highly regarded than Redford and maybe even Hackman and Pacino and De Niro, the guys who come right immediately after him.

I agree.

I think it's because the movies didn't, I mean, this is the first rewatchables we've ever done for Monday.

Think about that.

We've done 17 Tom Cruise movies.

We've done 11, 13 Pacino movies.

We've done multiple David Caruso movies at this point.

We've done 10 De Niro movies.

I think some of them feel very 70s-ish or 60s-ish.

Actually, it would be fun to do Bonnie and Clyde, but it's just, you know, that's so

movie that really feels like it came out in the 1960s.

But you know, like, there are certain actors and actresses and even directors that are of their times.

Sure.

And they have

a more sensitive cultural exploration date than others do.

So for whatever reason, also, this also, there was never an unforgiven for him.

There was never a movie that made everybody go, oh my God, this guy was big in the 60s, huge in the 70s, and look what he can still do.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's three years older than Pacino, but doesn't have like a movie like Heat or

Son of a Woman from the 90s.

That's like, oh, that's his six when he was in his late 60s.

And shampoo is a crazy movie.

I love shampoo.

Shampoo's incredible.

It's a crazy movie, though.

It would be interesting if you just threw this on for, like, I should make my daughter watch it and see what her take is.

One that I thought they could get away remaking.

Always, always one.

Always one that I thought if you take this type of story and then not like sort of tune it up, dust it off a little bit, and set it in a contemporary world, like it still would be a lot of fun.

So a guy thrown around in LA on January 6th.

Does a barber in LA

get laid on January 6th?

My wife watched this movie with me on Sunday night.

And at one point, it was just a long shot on Warren Beatty.

And my wife was like, God, he was so handsome.

And I think that's like 90% of it.

Yeah.

And he also had a really good sense of who to play and what to not do.

And he was like a quarterback that knew exactly what,

what he could do to move the ball down the field.

And he's not a scrambler and you don't want him in the, he just, I'm going to do this.

This is my move.

In quintessential kind of screwball rom-com like fashion, you could watch this film.

There's a lot of plot in this.

Yeah.

There's a lot of stuff about like his company and Charles Groden and Diane Cannon's relationship in the background.

The town in England.

Yeah, the town in England.

Leverstrom, whatever.

But you kind of like with the people who are in it, they're so good that you're just sort of like, yeah, yeah.

I get, I get basically, this guy's dead.

He's come back.

He's fallen in love.

But don't you feel like it got better?

The movie gets better as it goes along.

And then the last 40 minutes are just like lights out.

Oh, yeah.

There's small.

As soon as he's like playing football with the, with the servants, it's like, this is the best figure I've ever seen.

There are small things in the movie that just make you, that make this character one of the most most lovable characters on screen.

Like when he's in practice and he starts cooking and he starts jumping up and down,

and they're like, calm down, Mr.

Farswell.

But he's got his entire world back.

This is all he wants to do.

This entire movie is happening because the backup quarterback has been promised the starting role.

Yes.

And he cannot get over that.

And he's willing to come back from the dead or do whatever he has to do.

And on the way, finds love.

It really is an absurd premise that shouldn't work, but for the Trump.

Yeah, it's about a backup quarterback from the Rams, but it's also about whether or not you have a true love and the soul exists.

Yeah, whether your body matters, whether it's just your spirit and whatever is in your eyes.

And also, just about

what a good dude can undo.

They're telling him that the porpoises are being threatened by

a guy named Porpoises.

We're being sued by a god name porpoises.

And all of a sudden, which we'll talk about this later, I love scenes with every man in boardrooms, in big meeting rooms.

Yeah.

Like Dave.

I was going to say Dave was there's a huge influence.

Wait, so you're telling me 200 million and we're going to make people feel better about their cars?

Yeah.

And that's going to cost 50 million?

No, he goes, I don't want to tell some kids to sleep in their car.

Right.

So that somebody else feels better about their car.

Do you want to tell them that?

No, Mr.

President.

I'm like, get his motherfucking ass out.

Yeah, pray.

I'm like, get him, Dave.

And so, you know, you just love the guy so much, you want him to win the Super Bowl by the end of the movie.

Well, Julie Christie,

who had 1965 in all-time Apex Mountain, where she won best actress for Darling, but also was in Dr.

Shivago, which was one of the 10 biggest movies of the of the 20th century.

And then had a really good career and really picked her spots and was in, was not one of those, oh, I'm going to do my version of Sleeping with the Enemy.

She's like just making good movies and ends up in Don't Look Now, which I think is right around when she broke up with Beatty because there was this whole thing about she might have had sex with Donald Sutherland or maybe she didn't.

And it was a whole, and I think it drove Warren Beatty crazy.

Does Shampoo is in Nashville?

And then this was kind of her last like really big movie.

Like she turned down some big parts and Reds, and she was supposed to play your Your Girl Charlene Ramplings part in the verdict.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

She turned that down.

Turned that down.

Just kind of took a step back.

But

I don't know.

I'll say fan is she.

Where is she in the Hall of Fame for you?

Oh, she's not up there.

Okay.

She's maybe like out of that.

That's different.

Foreign Hall of Fan?

Maybe Foreign Hall of Fan.

Okay.

Foreign.

Like Monica Belushi.

Yeah.

Type of the Monica Belucci wing of the Hall of Fame.

She's Monica.

Judy Dench.

Judy, young Helen Mirren.

Like Excalibur.

I'm thinking about Excalibur.

What's the movie that she plays?

The lady in Rainman.

Yeah, it's Helen Mirin, where she plays,

what's her nordin, not what, what's her, what's her name, Morgana?

Morgana.

Yeah.

Rainman Lady.

Can I say something?

Italian lady.

Warren Baby.

Yeah.

Real quick.

For a guy who was as suave as him, he got cucked a lot.

What do you mean?

Oh, in movies?

Well, no.

She went with Donald Sutherland, which I saw.

And then he very famously got cucked when Axel Rose.

Can you really say he got cucked if he's taking Stephanie Seymour?

Stephanie Seymour.

And that was a big deal.

And that to me was a big story about like the end of Beatty because Beatty was still the, uh, and then Axel Rose comes along.

Welcome, Jonah John though.

And just like, and just like.

takes his girl.

But isn't part of the big deal?

Part of the magic was, was he ever like, oh,

isn't that just like, isn't this the kind of fairy dust that we're talking about that he must have Where you're just like, how is this guy who's kind of a quirky, anxious, good-looking,

gray head of hair, all that stuff, but like, he doesn't look like he's an action movie star.

That's half full CR right here.

Just saying, there's

something.

I would say if he's with, what, 20,000 women, 10,000 women, whatever.

It doesn't matter if you.

There's a couple, probably a couple that go sideways.

Every once in a while,

you're going to get strike out with it.

There's a numbers game.

Yeah.

But what's interesting is...

It's like Shay driving the lane growing up i knew nothing and even i knew like warren beatty a lot of ladies in that dude's life like it was just part of the package with him in a way that i don't like nobody would have that now nobody talk nobody would that wouldn't be like a selling point as a positive for an actor yeah look at all look at all the ladies this i think there's also

something that kind of dates not dates the movie in a good way for me but does date it when i was watching you know at the beginning of the film when he's bicycling around malibu and you're just like this is like another planet.

Like, when could you bicycle around to Pango?

Like this.

But think about how many movies and TV shows were filmed in that area back then.

And it just seems like the greatest place in the earth.

There's no cars.

There's no beach.

Everyone could live on the beach.

Didn't matter.

It's beautiful.

His life looks like, if you are 14,

his life looks like the greatest life ever.

Yeah.

He goes, he's by himself.

He's working out.

It's like a.

He's making a liver and way shaking.

Yeah.

It's like a version of Rasillo.

It's 78 Rasillo.

It's 78 Rasillo.

It's like he's working out.

He's grinding tape, talking to football coaches, biking around.

Rideau, I just can't get the idea of Rasillo playing Soprano Saxon by that stuff out of my head.

As he's watching Ahmed Thompson Tape.

Coach is coming over.

He's talking to him.

He's mad about Tom Jarrett.

He's just telling random people how mad he is about Tom Jarrett.

Yeah.

And then he gets

opportunity of his life, and then things go bad.

That's our inciting incident.

Well,

this was the second version of this movie.

The first was, or the second film adaptation.

The play was called Heaven Can Wait.

They made a movie called Here Comes Mr.

Jordan in 1941, and then they bought the rights.

And

Casting Would If, that's better than a Casting Would If.

This was supposed to be a Muhammad Ali movie with Muhammad Ali Boxing movie.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was the original idea was it was a boxing.

Yeah.

And a boxer, and then he comes back and he gets to fight in the big fight and uh

ali was like no thanks and that had been kicking kicking around like the boxer idea had been kicking around since the late 60s and i think the original screenplay coppola wrote right yeah yeah it had a lot of incarnations until it got to football can i give you the most pre-two fact about julie christie yeah ever

i just just popped up you also just wanted to say pre-two pre-two i like that bill i gotta be honest with you i don't think i made it up uh she She was a contender for the role of Honey Ryder in the first James Bond film, Dr.

No.

But producer, Craig's guy,

Albert R.

Broccoli, broccoli.

Broccoli.

Broccoli.

Broccoli.

Reportedly thought that her breasts were too small, so she didn't get the role.

That really is a pre-2.

That's a pre-2 motherfucker.

Because he probably said that to somebody in like an interview.

with like some magazine.

Yeah, we wanted to 60s.

Yeah.

Pre-2.

Just wasn't.

Yeah.

yeah

um some really good late 70s sports stuff in this movie including deacon jones the rams and steelers in the heyday of like those 70s uniforms coliseum la coliseum looks amazing kurt gowdy doing super bowl play by play dick embergs in here there's a brian gumball early brian gumball and the tv a brian jones chick her yeah just it feels like in that rocky balboa late 70s kind of universe towards the end of the film uh julia christie she comes in after the super bowl and she's like trying to find the locker room.

And when Beatty gives her directions, he's like, you got to go all the way down the hallway, make three lefts, make a right, or you can go back around from where you came.

And it was like, because the Coliseum is like those old stadiums.

It's just like a maze.

Mazes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nine Oscar nominations for this movie.

This movie was a big hit.

Yeah.

Astounding.

This was like a, I looked at this.

And this is a spot of ignorance, of which I have many.

I looked at this as one of my cute, quirky childhood movies for almost the entire time.

Like it was like Angels in the Outfield or something.

Something like that.

It was like

astounding how well received it was critically.

He was the second person after Orson Welles to be nominated for producing, directing, writing, and acting for the same film.

He wrote it with Buck Henry.

I feel like there are a few people from there.

Jack Worden got nominated.

Elaine May has the co-writing credit, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, that's what it was.

He directed with Buck Henry and then he co-wrote it with Elaine Bay.

But like Brock, I think Buck Henry was right.

Yeah, a lot of people.

Jack Warden and Diane Cannon both got nominations.

That's right.

That's right, Diane Cannon.

We got to talk Jack again, even though we always end up talking about Jack Warden for five minutes whenever we do a Jack Warden movie.

This is the Jack Worden wheelhouse era.

This from mid-70s all the way through the verdict, where it's just like...

If he's in the movie, it's just a win.

It's like Alex Caruso right now.

It's like my team's better because I have Alex Caruso.

I'm just better with Jack Warden.

I know it hurts.

His presence with his just like wearing the like Rams Windbreaker and the Rams hat.

He's the trainer, right?

Like that's his job.

He's the trainer, but somehow has like all this time to train a billionaire.

He's not there for the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

There's nine related.

I have a bunch of pics.

I have a bunch of Max stuff.

Missed the Super Bowl because he's got to get down to this murder investigation.

Let me know what happens.

But it's the biggest game we've ever had.

He's participating in a sting operation to get Diane King.

Could have done that on a monday max

also the rare trainer that has input on who's going to start on sunday yep we we have that coming up yeah yeah um

but no like this is what i this is how this is how i know him i mean this movie was essentially like how i know him this and verdict yeah this and the verdict and then you know carbon copy later on and all that stuff dirty work good oscars

Good Oscars.

Obviously, he had no chance that year because it was a loaded thing to actually win, but but getting nominated was great from a release standpoint.

So it was a $9.5 million budget plus whatever bait he got.

He had points.

It made almost $100 million.

Top five that year, Grease, Superman, Animal House, Every Which Way But Loose, and Heaven Can Wait.

Coming in sixth, Hooper.

Number seven, Jaws 2.

Revenge of the Pink Panther, The Deer Hunter, and Halloween.

Diane Cannon is in Revenge of the Pink Panther, isn't she?

She sure is.

Yeah.

And then Foul Play was 11th.

just want to know how to do it back then.

People want to have fun at the movies.

People knew how to make movies back then.

I like Peter Sellers and I like Sharks.

As much as people hate, and there's been some hate here at The Ringer on Philo Betto and Every Wish Way But Lose.

Who hates that movie?

Can't remember who I was talking to.

It might have been Sean.

It might have been Cartarian Collection himself.

You should check.

I wouldn't have done it.

I could see Sean going either way.

I should have figured Snap Fantasy was going to

be again.

Somebody that I'm talking about, like, how much I love those movies.

I got to admit, it's not one of my favorite clints.

Like, I would get that if we did that before, like, Pale Rider.

As a child, I thought that movie was a grand slam.

It's like he's just going to drive around with the orangutan and get fist fighting.

And punch people, inject this into my life.

And punch people.

He's going to grab a banana and eat it.

Oh, my God.

We've done it.

Roger Ebert for Heaven Can Wait,

three stars.

Yep.

He said it's the kind of upbeat screwball comedy Hollywood used to do smoothly and well.

Takes the curse off the plot's essential sweetness by getting in some nice mean digs at greed, corporate politics, adultery, professional football, and jacks in particular.

Interestingly enough, Pauline Kahle,

who is Warren Beatty's like number one fan for going back to Bonnie and Clyde

and was really upset with this movie.

She disliked it.

She said it was image-conscious, celebrity movie making.

Said Warren Beatty had turned into a baby-kissing politician and really went after him.

And it became this really kind of famous Hollywood story, which I still don't know what Tarantino's movie critic script was about.

Yeah.

But my guess, so what happens is Warren Beatty, instead of like feuding with her, ends up trying to rebuild the relationship with her.

hires her, flies her to Hollywood, and she becomes like a creative executive.

Yeah.

But then he buries her and she's basically buried doing nothing for a year.

But she sold out working in Hollywood, but then didn't actually get to be involved in movies.

And he basically, like, that was his way to get back at her.

I wonder though, if, like, the, I think that might have been the

view of that assessment by her leads him to doing Reds, though.

Because Reds is the complete opposite.

And a very, a very serious

period.

I think partly, but he had been working on that since like 1970.

Yeah.

He was obsessed with John Reed for some reason.

But yeah, I think after reading reading that, I think it's like, I'll show you.

And then he like dove hard into reds.

But,

but yeah, her career was kind of never the same after the baby thing.

She came back and,

you know, her stuff in the 80s that we've talked about, it was just had a little tinge of

cynicism.

Not quite gay.

Cynicism.

It just kind of like

anyway.

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All right, most rewatchable scene.

I love the first 15 minutes of this movie.

Yes.

So I don't even want to pull it out, but if I had to narrow it down, I'd go with the birthday celebration when Max comes over and all, just everything that's going on there.

I had it, they just seem like they're buddies.

Yeah, it's awesome.

They do a great job in five minutes of being like, oh, these guys are fucking boys.

And baby's in that, like, got all the brick-a-brac in that little house up in the canyon, and he's just wearing jeans and a t-shirt.

I have the first eight minutes, which is like the title sequence basically leading up to the tunnel, to his bike ride.

By the way, interesting thing with the title sequence: we don't come in with any zaning music or anything like that.

We come in silence, heaven can wait across the screen, which, like, you'd have thought, like, with the tone of the wrestling movie, that they would have got you ready for it.

But no, they want to get you into the world.

like a serious guy's life who actually is a serious football player.

You know,

they really pour on the football when he's Joe Pendleton.

They probably could have gone away with like two passes and some practice, but it's like, no, let's show some things.

And I really think Beatty was like,

I got to show everybody.

I can fucking slay.

He's got his fucking arm angle.

Yeah.

He's like, let me show you.

Let me show everybody a few different things I can do.

He played in high school and apparently got all these scholarship offers.

You can watch this movie until, because when I'm watching the film, I'm thinking to myself, okay, who could play this role?

Is this a role that like Mark Mark Harmon, who but I guess he wasn't acting yet?

It's probably still at UCLA around this time, but like who else could have played this role, obviously.

But when you watch him drop back, he's dropping back, ball up, elbow slotted.

He knows that he knows how to throw the football and he wants enough passes for him to actually have some film and some tape.

Like, I have that written down.

Like, Warren Beatty, good cadence.

He's the man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He has a couple like short touch passes.

He wasn't just like, just like throwing deep.

He's actually shown.

Craig, had you seen this movie before?

No.

What did you think of Warren Beatty just as a quarterback?

I thought he looked great.

Honestly, I liked him a little bit more than Burt.

I thought he had a great physicality.

He's got that natural kind of like works with his hands build to him.

He's kind of like a Baker Mayfield type.

Yeah, no, Baker Mayfield.

I have a different read on him, but like, yeah.

You want to save it?

Well, yeah.

Do you think

Reynolds wasn't naturally a quarterback?

He was a fullback.

Yeah.

Yeah, he was more like a Lamar Jackson.

He was running running QB that flying around making plays.

Yeah, this is more of a system Brock Purdy slash Baker Mayfield

70% completion rate.

He could run, though.

I mean, the final piece, the final,

he has to scramble a bit at the end.

But you know what else is in the movie very subtly?

The jargon.

Like,

they want you to hear him get out that terminology.

Oh, he's doing all the Altman stuff with sound where you can hear like the defenders being like, pass, pass, pass.

All of that stuff.

Like, you could tell that, at least from him, like, he had played some ball before.

He's giving out the route combinations to the receivers.

And they want you to hear all of that and go, what does that mean?

Yeah, also, how awesome is it to be Warren Batty?

And you're like, you know what?

I'm going to do?

I'm going to quarterback the Rams for an afternoon.

Right.

Right.

Well, they film.

So they filmed the Super Bowl scene.

It's, they have 14 minutes at halftime of a preseason game.

So he goes out there and all the plays, they're in front of like the full crowd who's all just nuts.

Like, imagine if they did that today.

Right.

Well, that's what they did with F1, right?

And that's what they did on Days of Thunder, where they're like throwing guys in there just to shoot it during an action.

Oh, wait, I feel like they just did that because you know the guy who plays Reacher now?

Yeah.

There was a picture of him at a Cubs game.

And everybody's like, oh, my God, Alan Richin or whatever.

Over there shooting it.

He is definitely Reacher because if that motherfucker is just walking around looking that angry, dressed up like Reacher the whole time, they're definitely shooting Reacher when he's in the stands of the other Cubs games.

I guess they might, they still do it every now and again.

There's one part in that 14 minutes, like one of the plays where he's just he's calling plays and he's looking both ways and it almost seems like he's changing the play and it's like red red red red red red and like he just seems like a quarterback it's really impressive it's that's also up there with

a pre-season game against the chargers was the crowd right yeah that's a great crowd for a preseason rams game not a lot going on in the late 70s

anyway most were watching you guys want to go on preseason rams

the uh birthday celebration i think they do a good job with the car accident yeah of showing the the tunnel and the car, and the cars are fucking around.

He's on his bike.

And then all of a sudden

in this movie, they do very dark stuff in a tonally light way.

Yeah.

So

getting in a car accident while you're on your bicycle, your wife trying to kill you, you know, chemically poisoning an English town.

Yeah, the thing that falls, the thing that falls on the bed.

What is that?

Like the plate that you're trying to get.

And then

he goes.

He comes right into the room where they are.

And they're alerted to the fact that he's still alive.

But the gag that they did right before they tried to kill him is the same gag that they go back to yeah which makes his which means his character doesn't care which means you're okay to not care yeah like just move on from it i like the montage of bodies to jump into the fact i could have gone with a couple more they do a race car driver and they have the balance magician guy i could have done three more i love all the fake rules yeah i could have just kept going could have like a waiter in hollywood like we just

could have a porn actor would have been fun but they're trying to show him people.

Okay, so let's do this.

They're trying to show him people that

are pornography.

Is that a Net Haven?

See, they get on me about it, but you're in the line.

I thought you wanted to be a quarterback.

No, never mind.

I'm enjoying this, great.

Yeah, it's like videos not coming for a while.

Can you imagine James Mason and Buck Henry

invisibly sitting in a porn set?

I like

when he becomes Farnsworth and Diane Cannon freaks out of his face.

When she sees the mouse.

Really good stuff.

Yeah.

Joe and Betty in the limo falling for each other a little bit.

Yeah, were they?

Like Tommy's chili burgers?

A lot of staring back and forth.

A lot of long, long looks.

I like the history and the baggage of them, too.

All right.

These last four, I love all of these.

Joe brings Max to the mansion, tells him the secret.

I think we'll best seen it in the movie.

I won't tell a word to anybody.

I promise.

It'll be our little secret.

Our little secret?

Like what you you told me about your older sister and the Coca-Cola salesman?

Hey, Max, what about that scar you got on the bottom of your tongue, huh?

How the hell did you?

What happened?

What did you do at your uncle's wedding?

I died by the A-Max May.

I know the hell out of the internet.

Hey, what about the first time I fixed your neck in Pittsburgh?

Oh, man.

And Jack won't believe it.

He fixes

the movie.

I'm calling him Jack.

Until he does that thing that happened in Pittsburgh.

I always like when those, and there's been a few movies like this where I have to convince CR that I'm CR, but I don't look like me.

And then I'm like, no, no, remember that time we did heat in my pool house in 2019?

You're like, Bill!

Top Gun Maverick.

Murder pumped your leg.

I was thinking about that.

What would be the thing that you would say to somebody to let them know unequivocally?

that it was you not like your wife or something like that like like somebody like max yeah like somebody that's in your life like that.

Like, you know, they had, there was the cracking of the neck, there was the playing of the flute.

Like, if you're trying to convince me that it's me, that's like, I'm on that thread.

I would just talk about the thread.

You just talk about the thing.

I've mentioned no, because then you would be like, you could have hacked my phone or something.

It's got to be like a personal experience.

Right.

Like, something, what's the thing?

What, like, what's going to be the thing?

Like, I would be like, you took me to your childhood diner in Boston.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cabots.

yeah you guys yeah i took cr and

i took cr and sean to cabots it was great the hot dog craig didn't want to come he was with his in-laws

oh

i don't remember the invite but you were with your in-laws you had like a kind of steady invite but you're like i'm good yeah it's tough i had to juggle a lot craig i'll be all the in-laws here i have like five family members there craig i'll be honest with you we need to do more work there's also Absolutely nothing that you and another body could do to convince me that you were you.

We don't have any core.

You don't think there's anything I could do?

I don't know.

Oh, because you guys need a more personality.

We need more core memories, man.

That's probably right.

We need more core memories.

So that's so.

Your cutoff line is Craig.

You're somebody I know and that I've interacted with and done some stuff with versus core memory friend.

It has to be a core memory.

It has to be something like, think about what he tells him.

He tells us.

Do you and I have a core memory?

There are things we could do.

That was quick.

There are things we could do.

That's quick.

There are things we could do.

I think that thing I said to you earlier today actually could be a core memory.

I went on a golf weekend last weekend and we had caddies.

And I, for some reason, reflexively turned to Van and apologized.

It was the weirdest fucking thing.

So listen.

I was like, we have to have caddies.

So look, bro, it's the weirdest fucking thing, bro.

It's the weirdest thing.

Caddies weren't black.

I was like, sorry.

So he's telling the story and he goes, we have caddies.

And I'm looking at him because I'm listening to the story.

And he turns around and he goes, yeah, we need to have caddies.

I'm like, I don't give a fuck fuck about that.

That's your core war.

Remember a time you fucked up the caddies and weird Banger Man shit?

Sierra and I have seen a few movies together.

I can't read any of those.

Did we see The Grey together?

Well, we saw that.

I think going to see Black Hat, just the three of us at the Olympic UA.

Being the only two people in the theater that like Black Hat.

Anyway, that goes, Joe and Max, and convinces him it's Joe.

Yeah.

We go right to the football warm-up montage with the servants, which I honestly could have gone eight more minutes with.

Groden runs into the bush.

The guy's trying to catch the passes.

And then there's a couple shots of Warden and Beatty just kind of flinging it.

And Warden looks pretty good.

Like, I feel like Warden might have had some football background.

I was going to save this for later, but I have to ask you this now.

Are you kind of bummed out that professional sports franchises have reached the price point that they're at?

Because otherwise you could get into a Farnsworth kind of situation.

Yeah, I was thinking about that.

$67 million for the Rams.

Yeah, you got that.

And then he apparently overpaid.

Yeah.

Sounds great.

It was only supposed to be $19.

Yeah.

That's come on.

But you live in a world where a guy could buy the Rams and make himself the quarterback and it wouldn't cause an absolute panic on social media.

I have a list later on.

Who is the richest man that could theoretically actually start for a football team right now?

I have a list of top five owners I want to see start for a football team.

Like if a rich guy bought a football team, it was like, I want to be the quarterback.

Yeah, like if the most unbelievable rich warriors could he start it playing, like Mark Zuckerberg, not Mark Zuckerberg.

So I'll just go ahead and do it now.

Number one, I got Jerry Jones.

What?

I want to put, I want to see Jerry 40 years ago.

No, now.

Playing football?

I want to see Jerry play offensive line for Arkansas.

Okay, he was the captain.

I want to see Jerry Jones protect that.

Jimmy Dolan, James Dolan.

We'll call him Jimmy.

He was playing.

You and him get along.

And like, I'd have him.

Brunson is on the bench.

I want Jimmy running the point.

5'10.

Also, his band, JD, and the straight shot.

They could play at halftime.

Magic Johnson, owner in two different sports.

Magic Johnson could do it.

So either I want to see Magic play, hit cleanup for the Dodgers, or I want to see Magic as a pass-catching tight end for the Commanders.

No, so you have that wrong.

Okay.

You want to put him on the field goal block team in the middle because he's 6'9.

6'9.

He just jumps for the field goal.

Just comes in for special plays.

I mean, it actually would make sense.

Do you think all this rumor-mongering about breaking up the Celtics is coming direct from Chisholm because he's going to install it?

Because he wants to play.

He wants to play.

Last one.

Why'd you have to bring up the Celtics?

That's having such a good time.

Donald Sterling.

Oh, my God.

Power Ford

for the Clippers.

I want to see him play against Isaiah Stewart and Draymond Green in a game with no fouls or flavors where every point he scores, it costs them $50,000.

i just want to see physical basketball for him that's it that's my list of owners well there was a celtics minority owner jim pilata who was like the number three guy when wicks group bought the team was he was he didn't he leave

he ended up but he sold his stake to buy romo yeah but he played all the time and the joke was always if he got the team from wick he would do the he would do the warn beaty and just all of a sudden he'd be on the team but i think they have a lot of rules against this yeah i mean you can because

because basically, yeah, Jordan LeBron, if he got a team, could he make himself, could he put himself on it?

Like, no, they have rules that you can't.

Yeah, you can't call your own.

But this is exactly, you're right, though, where it's like, I will kind of want to live in a world where LeBron owns a team and then is like at the playoffs.

It's like, you know what?

I'm fucking coming back.

I would love to.

Guess what?

News flash.

Well, I remember when Koozi was coaching the Cincinnati Royals a million years ago, in like the 1970, and they had some injuries, and he just made himself a player coach for the last seven games of the year and they were like okay bob kusi's down to play and that was it it just was the way it happened yeah i'm not against that yeah i mean that would be fun if the if nba coaches were just like yeah we're a little short today i'm suiting up yeah

missoula could do it actually i'm sure he could you think missoula could play like i think he could

be the 14th man on a team like for break case and emergency okay what about jason kidd too old to a too old thinks.

Reddick could definitely do it.

Yeah, but Reddick would actually put himself in.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, he'd be like, we need spacing.

They probably could use it.

Yeah.

I'm going to go to the bottom.

Chauncey Billips, maybe?

Because Mark looks like he can still give you some minutes.

We got distracted, but you had the training montage and football practice.

Well, the montage of, first of all, one of the best backyards.

I mean, just enough room where you could really have a great touch football game.

You were talking about the house.

Slight betrayal because it's in Northern California.

Well, yeah, interesting.

And then Fake Leo's first Rams practice when Batty comes in.

I love that.

Lights it up.

Mr.

Farnsworth, you play any college football?

I hope you played some polo.

What does Groden say, like, disregard any of his racial statements?

Well,

very, very nice.

Very, very impressive.

I'm Tony Abbott, Mr.

Farnsworth's personal private executive secretary.

Very nice.

Very, very nice.

Don't let any of Mr.

Barnsworth's racial statements offend you, for God's sakes.

nice nice talking to you

you're disregarding for god's sake he's trying to man

gronin is cooking this

out of his mind in this movie did growin ever get his moment where we all appreciate midnight run yeah okay yeah yeah midnight run was his that was his oscar yeah but yeah because he's in foul play too which is uh i think it's same year chevy chase yeah he's in seems like Old Times.

Not Foul Place, Seems Like Old Times.

That's what he's in.

That's 1980.

Yeah.

He's amazing in Seems Like Old Times.

Amazing.

It seems like old times.

I love that movie.

Yeah.

Have you done that one yet?

No, I don't know if, I don't know.

I'd have to watch it again because as a kid, I loved it.

Oh, it is phenomenal.

It definitely holds up.

Throwing 100.

Not to get too far off the movie, but you know why the movie holds up?

To me, that's the

obviously people are going to say Fletch and other, and you know, obviously

the vacation, but Chevy is so perfect in that role as the good-looking, tall, curb.

But he's like a fuck-up first husband guy, yeah, it is, but like he's perfectly cast in that opposite her too.

They have some good dogs in that movie, they have a good dog movie,

great, good slapstick.

It's very like Three's Company era, where like misunderstandings just had a quick vision of the future of us doing the Brandy Booth month of these dogs, great dog movies, yeah, Chiba Chase month.

Uh, that Rams practice is really fun.

So, Joe says goodbye to Betty and then gets shot.

It's like somebody's going to come back someday.

Maybe they're even the quarterback, which is just insane.

Yeah.

And then he gets shot and falls in the well.

And then the last one, he

wins the Super Bowl, but then

the movie gets really sad.

Yeah.

Do you cry?

So the.

You've been known to cry during sad movies.

Oh, yeah, I cried.

So I didn't cry during this one, but I, but I cry in movies.

The scene where Joe is trying to appeal to him, where Max is trying to appeal to him, Max is trying to appeal to him, is legitimately sad.

It's so heartbreaking.

It's like legitimately, the jubilation that you feel when he's able to convince him that he actually is his friend is then completely disintegrated by the fact that he then has to lose that friend again.

Yes.

Hey, you

a little fresh air wouldn't hurt.

Hey, look, just do me one favor.

Look at me.

Just

look at me.

What?

And like to me, the acting that's done in the movie, so much of it is on that character to be like, oh my God, I got my buddy back.

Let's get him to the Super Bowl.

He wins the Super Bowl.

They actually have a moment where it's, hey, it's you again.

And then he's gone again forever.

Dies right in in front of his eyes, basically.

And he's the only thing he has left is the saxophone.

It's said in the Biscuin book about Beatty that

that scene where he kind of doesn't recognize him and it's a little cold, that for people in Beatty's life, that's kind of what he was like, where you'd be his best friend and then the light would shine on you.

And then as soon as he kind of got what he got from you, he'd move on to the next thing.

all of a sudden you were like jack warden in that scene yeah like oh man i guess we're not friends anymore and then the bittersweet scene with christy so yeah

I think that's my most re-watchable scene.

I think the last 10 minutes of this movie are most re-watchable for me.

I really like the Christie.

I love when

it goes dark and he's like, no, no, whatever he says.

Like, it's okay.

Yeah, they're just closing.

Don't worry,

and then she's like,

You're the quarterback.

And just like how she plays that.

It's really good.

I'm totally in.

I believe it.

So my most re-watchable scene is actually the scene where he's convincing him.

Convincing Max.

Yeah.

that's like the just a delightful scene.

But I also want to give some love to the boardroom.

It's amazing.

The boardroom is just so much fun.

Yeah.

He's

functionally the most ignorant guy in the room, but then he's actually the smartest guy in the room in human compassion.

Would you pay a penny to save a fish that thinks?

Right.

Yeah.

So it's like all of that stuff.

Just fantastic.

He's got very, very, very good comic timing, which Shampoo he also had.

That I don't feel like he used in enough movies.

yeah and also had some real hitters like helping on set and and writing the script like elaine may and buck henry yeah are two of the funniest screenwriters that have ever existed what's your most rewatchable uh i probably go training montage football practice just yeah i just go back and back and like watching grodin watch him get sacked

um

What's the most 1977 thing about this movie?

What do you have?

Professional athletes being closer to normal people than they are now.

So like the idea of like Joe living alone in a pretty modest house and not having anybody over for his birthday and just hanging out.

Like, now he'd be like, yo, I'm 35.

Yeah, it just means he's that's he, it means nothing that he's the

stockbrokers got paid more than those guys.

You know, like there, you would be like famous, but you might not get paid that much.

And it's just like that opening sequence where you're like, this guy's just jogging like a normal person and wearing jeans.

Yeah, there just weren't a lot of famous rich athletes back then.

Yeah, I remember inside sports.

It's like 1980 or 81, Nolan Ryan became like the first million-dollar baseball player, and it was like him on the cover.

It's like, athletes are making a million dollars.

This sport's going crazy.

Yeah.

This is like three years before that.

Yeah, so like in the Reggie Jackson.

That was another one.

Oh, my God, Reggie Jackson.

But there was like half a dozen guys who kind of reached that level.

And then like you could be starting quarterback for the Rams or the backup quarterback for the Rams.

And you were pretty anonymous, right?

You make an argument that if this movie were remade, that it wouldn't be, his motivation wouldn't be to start the Super Bowl.

Sure.

That his motivation would be monetary in some way.

That it would be like.

To own the Rams.

Yeah.

There's no football game.

You know what I mean?

The motivation would be like, I need to continue to play because I need to get this much money or get this much.

I need to build a new football stadium in L.A.

What's your most thanked 77 thing?

It's that.

Okay.

No, that's what I'm saying.

The fact that he was like a,

that he, I was, i wrote that like playing being a quarterback for the rams didn't mean anything all right i have some runners-ups okay

the the hairdo's for the females in this movie very distinct main thing that kind of permy yeah big body era it was the little fair faucet residue a lot of feathered yeah

that's uncanon the houses the the this mansion that's supposedly like the most decadent great mansion in some of the walls polio house is that what it is yeah i have some stuff on it later okay the the wallpaper and some of the stuff is really gaudy Like it would never, they would totally, the house would be totally different now.

Young Dick Emberg,

very 1977.

Concussion protocol.

I'm pretty sure Tom Jarrett's not just running back on the field after he's been carried off on a stretcher for five minutes.

And then

he was because he was, let's make it short.

He was dead.

Yeah, we think he was dead.

Independent neurologists.

There's about to die.

No content.

Right.

But then the number one for me is the Rams costing $17 million, but having a book value of $19.

Yeah.

As a professional NFL team, these teams are worth $7 billion now.

I know.

Yeah.

I actually had that in What's Aged the Worst, and I guess it could have aged the worst or the best, depending on how you look at it.

$19 million.

I have two special awards.

The Sasha Jenkins Award for Actor You Can't Believe Didn't Become a Bigger Star.

You could go Groden here, too.

But I thought Diane Cannon was really just, I just liked her.

And I don't.

She just was kind of in roles like this was her peak, but not

if you're ready for what's age the best, I am about to open a Diane Cannon six.

Okay, we'll see.

The Amanda Dobbins Award for best piece of real estate, which also goes to the Denneth's Benny Han Award for scene-stealing location, Leo Farnsworth's house.

Although you could make the argument that Joe's place in Topanga probably.

It was called the Filoli Mansion.

It's a historical museum now.

Craig, too bad you got married because you could have gotten married there for prices starting at $75,000.

Oh, nice.

It's located in Woodside, California.

Too bad you got married.

And you also didn't get to go to Bill's Childhood Diver.

Oh, yeah, you missed out on two things so far.

It's between San Francisco and San Jose.

It is also seen in the opening credits of Dynasty.

Oh, Carringtons.

And it's

the home of a movie we've already done in the rewatch.

Is it the basic instinct house?

No.

It's Michael Douglas' home in the game.

Oh, I had a feeling Michael Douglas would do that.

Yeah.

Oh, we talked about that.

Michael Douglas also, pretty much the heir to the Warren Beatty style of like, but never could have been the quarterback, right?

That's the difference.

I don't feel like he could have pulled

China syndrome, Mike.

You don't think he could have tossed it around a little bit?

He is the darker version of Warren Beatty.

Warren Beatty is the lighter version of him.

Did he ever play a role like this that was kind of like this, the life?

Well, he always had that little thing with him.

Yeah, he always

never shows the basic instinct shot of his butt with the balls hanging out between his butt shakes.

He's never doing that.

Almost to the point

too classy.

Almost to the point that in Bugsy,

nobody says butt cheeks anymore.

What's just an iconic, like that one scene?

Hey, Mike,

we can kind of see your balls in this shot.

We might have to do this again.

Leave it in.

It's what I wanted.

Oh, my God.

What's age the best?

I'll start us off.

According to the movie, Joe Pendleson was supposed to live until 10, 17 a.m.

on March 20th, 2007.

We just passed it.

He just passed it.

He still would have been alive.

No, he'd hung around.

If you did, he'd be dead, but it's made.

You know, and this year, and he would have made it to 2025.

He would have been like an 85-year-old, probably CTE and dementia from playing football for nine years.

And then five people

would be like, Joe Pendleton was a bucket.

Joe Pendleton was a little bit of a problem.

Joe Pendleton was a problem.

What do you have?

I have a six-pack of Cannon.

Let's go.

Diane Cannon wanting a drink.

Diane Cannon's outfits.

Diane Cannon's eye acting whenever Charles Groden covers her mouth.

Diane Cannon's screaming.

Diane Cannon's off-screen body count, including Johnny Carson, Armand DeSante, and Carrie Grant.

And Diane Cannon's still cranking out Lakers home games.

Going for it.

You left out Diane Cannon as her

adultery boyfriend.

What is Charles Gordon?

Her paramour, whatever word you want to use.

Yeah.

guns down her ex-husband and she's just kind of hanging out doing her

dude just completely unphased.

The reality of this relationship inside the movie is completely fucking bonkers.

They are like fucking inside of the house, they're living together inside of the house while she's married.

But there's somebody so fucking funny together, hysterical.

Yeah, it's like their own movie, yes.

It's his own movie, him in full pajamas with her.

Like, it's just so funny, hiding the curtain.

Kind of reminds me of like the side relationship in Who's Harry Crumb.

Yeah, that movie.

Yeah.

Who's Harry Crumb?

Great movie.

Another Woodstage the Best.

Vincent Gardenia is a police sergeant.

We were two away from Gardenia Month instead of Big Ass 70s month.

Yeah, I mean, what a

death wish.

I should have reconfigured this.

Gardenia now officially has more movies on rewatchables than Warren Beatty.

Wow.

Nuts.

The score of this movie I had, I think, is just fantastic.

Yeah, Dave Grueson.

The music, this is almost like Shawshank, where it's just like fun to hang out with the music.

And when it gets like the sad version, then like the happy peppy version, then it gets sad again.

Hey, Van, how about for Woodstage the Best an overtime Super Bowl?

Which didn't happen until Pat's Falcons, right?

Right?

Wasn't that the first one?

Yeah,

shout out to everybody in Atlanta.

Seemed like a crazy idea at the time.

Transferred to the business.

Was it a Super Bowl to go into overtime?

And is this sudden death overtime?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Steelers-Rams Super Bowl filmed at a Chargers Ram preseason game September 1st, 1977.

And a year and a half after the movie came out, January 1980, Rams, Steelers, Super Bowl in Los Angeles.

Wow.

That's fucking weird.

Yeah.

Not in the Coliseum, in the Rose Bowl, but you have any other what's age of best?

The popularity of backup quarterbacks.

This team.

Oh, yeah.

This team is in a Super Bowl run.

Yeah.

And they're changing quarterbacks.

Constantly.

Like going back and forth in a Super Bowl run.

Another one.

Do you know why that is?

Because quarterbacks quarterbacks were less essential back then because they used to get the absolute fucking shit kicked out of them and they threw a ton of interceptions and there were really only a few good ones.

You go back and look at the stats from 1978, guys only have like 26 picks in a season.

Yeah.

They're basically like, you just had to not get killed when you were the quarterback.

Oh, that's okay to what's age the worst.

I'm going to talk about his fucking stat line.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was the only other thing I had for What's Age the Best is

this movie is one of the first things in culture that I can remember like being like California New Age wellness, like drinking whey liver shakes and alfalfa sprouts and the kind of weird like out, like California way of health, which obviously is.

I got that in what's age the worst because really, I think in 2025, if somebody did a liver and whey drink, whatever the fuck that was, I would be don't fucking talk about a good time.

You should see my TikTok algorithm.

Dog, no, that looks disgusting.

People are eating like livers, like raw livers.

This is the golden age of that type of shit.

Yeah.

Of liver?

Yeah, guys are.

I don't know anyone who would eat that.

You ever heard of the liver king?

Craig.

Yeah, well, liver king was on a bunch of steroids.

He was a bad steroids.

But yeah, people are eating animal organs.

Yeah.

Raw meat, everything like that.

I didn't even know whey protein powder was a thing in 1977.

And he had like a bunch of mushroom fats.

I didn't realize that.

To the point to where it's already, I would have thought that maybe they had whey protein that you could, but he's, it's like being so.

I mean, it looks like now they had steroids in the late 70s, too.

Yeah, we didn't know about it, but they had a lot of them, yeah,

just saying, uh, environmental causes.

Yeah,

this movie is like literally one of the first movies that I could remember that was talking about this stuff is in what you're doing, we're being displaced the whole night.

She's there on environmental cause, yeah.

Leo Farnsworth goes woke at the end, goes woke.

I had for what's age the best Leo Farnsworth being a fucking asshole rich guy because those guys are backing, like literally, an asshole rich guy, an asshole rich guy who

I didn't deserve that.

I sung that out of the class.

I was saying, baby there, guys.

Come on.

But he's like, he's such an asshole that he's walking around in a sailor outfit.

Yeah, I was going to say all of his outfits when he first has to be Leo.

And he's like, do I play polo?

And they're like, not really.

Do I like boats?

Nah.

He's just like a super fucking pretender.

Leo Farnsworth, interesting choice for a name.

Do you think that that is the Chess Rockwell award winner?

Not really.

I don't.

Okay.

I think it's a weird rich guy name.

Farnsworth?

Leo Farnsworth?

I would have gone with like...

Chadwick Farnsworth, or I don't know.

It doesn't sound like rich and douchey enough to me.

I don't know.

I guess he guys didn't fixate on it.

The big burger award for best use of food and drink is obviously the liver and waste shake.

What'd you have for Greg Shuck Gordo?

Buck Henry and Warren Beatty walking through the clouds at the beginning of the Way Station scene and just like him trying to catch up to him.

That whole sequence is just great.

Must have really blown some minds in the late 70s to be like, oh, that's heaven.

The cool-looking plane or the

airplane terminal for heaven.

I was going to do this later.

I'll do it now.

Given movies, it's shaped everything.

I think about everything.

I think heaven is like heaven can wait.

And I think hell is like ghost.

Oh, like with the

shadows come up and pull you down.

I think that's probably what it's like.

So when you're in the car dies while going 75 miles per hour on the 10 and you go

quickly,

you're going to go to like an airplane.

I'm hoping to see the clouds and that see those shadows coming up out of the sewers.

They're here for you.

Tough one.

Or Willie Lopes.

And then you'll try to find a young blogger to throw your soul in.

him.

No, I'd be like AI TikTok.

It would be this guy's the rage right now.

It'd be so funny, Jomi, trying to convince me that he's Bill.

I know.

No, I'm face.

Van Pugue.

I start rattling off like Andor stuff.

Oh, that's how I would fucking know.

Yeah, if I knew all this stuff.

If you knew all of that stuff, all of the.

Van, Van, Van.

I'll tell you right now, collapses.

bill would not know this mon mothma who's moving her money around

as you jump

chess walk robot landers best character name i had max corkle i had joe pendleton i thought that was a strong qb name what you have man

um what was the character we just did i think i had one for that oh i wanted to say something real quick my my favorite shot is i think it's like a weirdly moving shot when they go black out of the tunnel and then they come out to the left oh it's awesome

of light because it's like literally everything goes goes black.

He's gone.

But then it's like, no, he's still here.

And it comes out and he's right there.

It's an awesome shot.

Yeah.

I love that every time I see the movie.

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All right, CR Flex.

Go.

You know, I'm going to go Mallory Rubin.

Did this movie need a better sex scene?

Because

it is kind of weird that Diane Cannon is a 10, is the proto-Dana Wheeler Nicholson in this movie.

Yeah.

And is leaving Warren Beatty for Charles Groden, who seems to be a never nude and is in full silk pajamas in bed with her.

And I just feel like we could have had one scene of like

Groden and her going after.

I think this movie is really PG.

Yeah.

Because even when Warren Beatty and Julia Christie kiss, it's not like they're like making out.

Yeah.

They're like very what is it actually rated?

PG.

Oh.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

This isn't a rated R.

I don't think it's a rapper.

No, it's not a rated R, but like, you know, you would have thought maybe a PG-13, they're trying to kill the guy the whole time.

He gets shot with a gun.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, you know, you would have thought that.

They didn't have PG-13 till like 84, 85.

That's right.

It didn't even exist.

But I think that this movie was crying out for a sex scene.

Listen, you don't have to sell me.

Come on.

And I'm just surprised Beatty.

It's just like going against his better instincts.

Maybe he didn't trust himself.

Just

gotten carried away.

Butch's girlfriend award for the week link of the film.

What do you have, Van?

I couldn't think of one.

I have one.

I really couldn't think of one.

Two Rams quarterbacks die in the span of three months.

What are the fucking odds?

Wait, that's not a character.

That's a knit, right?

Yeah, it's a weak link of the movie.

The two quarterbacks, one dies in a bunchback.

Jared dies on the field.

Jared doesn't die.

He's about to die.

Yeah, he's not going to be able to do that.

But nobody knows runs back on the field test.

That's the Tua style.

Yeah.

One of those things happened.

It would be the biggest thing of the year.

What if we're not watching Tua?

That's right.

Yeah, what if we're watching?

What if somebody else has inhabited Tua's body?

Because Tua was actually...

We're watching George Blando.

Yeah.

You have a weekly?

I think Julie Christie's hair and her vibe.

I mean, I think she is one of the most stunning women that's ever been born.

But this haircut was not doing her any favors.

70s.

What's age the worst?

At some point, there's a quote.

One of the players goes, looks like we got us a rich quarterback.

And I was thinking now every like half the Brock Purdy makes $53 million a year.

What quarterback's not rich?

What else do you have for what says you were?

Warren Beatty's 1970s character names.

Yeah.

Joe, John, Joe, Joseph, George, Nikki, Joe, John.

Oh, my God.

Put a little fucking elbow grease into this, Warren.

But that's why he's trying to be a regular guy.

Everything.

Jared's numbers.

They are saying that Jared is completing an astounding 60% of his passes with a whopping 18 touchdowns.

Oh.

like fucking Jared is Derek Carr.

That might have been like the number three QB.

It might have been, but that, as being like an incredible stat line, that's age the worst.

It is kind of funny to watch this movie and think about,

is this movie about Jimmy Garoppolo?

Like, would this movie be like if Matt Stafford died,

Jimmy Garoppolo would become the starting quarterback?

I'm looking up.

So would you, would you say Jared had?

He was completing 6% of his passes, 18 TDs.

But look, I mean, I know Dan Files is playing at this time, right?

So there are some guys that are chucking it all around.

Are they not?

Or am I fucking completely off base?

I don't know.

He's in TDs.

So

Dan Pastorini had 17.

He was 15th overall that year.

Terry Bradshaw had 20.

He was 10th.

Oh, 28.

No, I'm looking at the wrong thing.

No, that's actually really good.

Gary Danielson, 18 TDs.

He was sixth.

Wow.

Jesus.

I was looking at interceptions because those are higher.

Fran Tarkaton led the league that year with 32 interceptions.

He threw 30?

Yeah.

Two.

Guess what?

Ken Stabler had 30.

Well, Ken Stabler, it was all or nothing.

Yeah, it was a mistake.

Steve Grogan had 23.

Yeah, you were more likely to throw.

Joe Pisarchik that year had 12 TDs and 23 interceptions.

These guys were just getting massacred.

Yeah.

Anyway.

I have 1970s quarterback

offensive lines/slash protections.

Can't really imagine Drake May making it through too many of these games.

I have a couple.

Okay.

This is what's age of the worst.

Julie Christie trying to save Paglesham.

The town of Paglesham.

Here's what we know.

There's 1,760 citizens losing their homes because they're building a refinery.

Are you allowed to just take people's people's homes?

Is that a thing?

I got

this here.

I don't know if it's the catalog of New England.

That's the thing that happens.

I have some really, really dark history.

You ever heard urban renewal?

Yeah.

I'm just saying.

Packle Shamar.

I know you've read some Howard's in, man.

Come on.

No, but Leo Farnsworth is just like, yeah, I'll be taking

just building a refinery, guys.

We're about to get a new pod here.

I'm about to info.

I'm about to turn Bill onto some shit.

A people's history of Packle Shamar.

We're about to get a new pod.

What's her job?

The bad.

She's a teacher.

She's a teacher.

She just leaves.

It's, yeah, it's Super Bowl.

She's gone.

She's in LA.

She's going to save the time of December.

It's the school year.

But it doesn't matter if she's that successful.

There will be no school.

Yeah.

She's not dating or married.

No kids.

Oh, for Hacklesham.

It's only, you know, maybe the pickings aren't great.

Yeah.

She came out there, but it's all pop-cost plan.

It's fun.

Just asking questions.

How did the clarinet end up in front of Tom Jarrett's locker at the end?

Why did that happen?

Where'd it come from?

You sound like Wendy.

Why is that?

Where did it go where it comes from?

Did he bring it with him?

The clarinet or the saxophone jumps back and forth between like in real life and then only with the angels.

Yeah, because you can maybe, maybe, like, did James Mason leave it there?

Like, was there, you know, like, is...

We haven't mentioned James Mason yet.

No,

we should have.

I don't know why it's there.

I don't know why it shows up in the locker room.

Just basically to make Max think that it's really Joe and it's not.

but it has no purpose here's my big one though this is more than a nitpick

i just don't think it was a catch on the final play oh yeah i don't think he had two feet down he's he caught it he he's starting to make a football move but not really and then it's a fumble and

joe pendleton jarrett goes 60 yards oh i feel like that was an incomplete pass i thought it was an incomplete pass yeah I don't know that was what was great about football back then they just had to let it rock right

yeah do you think that was a continuation Craig?

That didn't jump out to me.

What jumped out to me was that that would be the greatest play in Super Bowl history, and no one really even talked about it.

The quarterback picks up the ball, runs for a 60-yard touchdown in overtime to win.

The crowd barely makes a noise in the locker room.

That was the one.

There's no announcers.

Yeah, no announcers really hurt that one.

I don't know what Kirk Addy was doing on that play.

That's all I have for what's his worst.

Ruffalo Hannah Rubenk Partridge over acting word.

Jack Warden dials it up during the uh

during the murder, kind of when they're trying to turn the tables and get the confession.

Yeah, he starts just screaming for 40 seconds.

I could, I could have done without the Agatha Christie part.

Yeah, like I would have taken five more Super Bowl plays and three less minutes of him being like, and it was you in the kitchen with the candlestick.

I needed, needed to see Stevie Nicks with the Eagles at the halftime challenge.

There's just a lot of ways I could have gone.

David Geffen came out.

Yeah.

Oh, David Geffen.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

How does Take Award?

Do you have one band?

I do.

Okay.

This is a horror movie.

You could look at this as a horror movie, as a guy who's being tortured over and over and over again by God for some reason.

Think about this.

This is heaven.

These are the people who cycle in bodies all day long.

They get this guy out too early, essentially screwing up his entire life, killing him.

They kill him.

They put him in another body.

He falls in love.

Then they yank him out of that body to put him in another body.

Then they take his memory.

So, all it is for him to essentially die at the end of the movie, he dies.

He dies.

There's no more jail.

He dies.

The dude's dead.

He has no consciousness, no remembrance of memory of who he was.

He's dead.

You could make an argument that this entire time, it wasn't God who was doing all of this to him, that it was the devil, that it was the devil trying to get his soul.

I'm telling you, the devil trying to get his soul.

We actually don't know where that plane goes.

We don't know.

And torturing him over and over and over.

It's kind of like the plot of his show, the good place.

Yeah.

It's like when you look at it, he gets fucked over for nothing.

Like the entire time, and it never works out.

Some other guy gets his chick because he came in in and did all the work and now he's

still gets her though like they'll they're connected they see deep into each other's eyes in the hallway maybe

maybe maybe but that's not how i see it the moment he loses his memory and think about when the guy tells him that he's losing his memory he didn't tell him that before he didn't say hey we're gonna put you in the bottle of this guy you're gonna lose your memory before he gets him out there

and then he said he's fading away like kenobi right i agree that it was completely up by mr this isn't my none of it this is not my hot take but you could say joe is just an all-time bad dude because he is basically using other human beings as meat puppets so that he can play in one game right like he's he is like legitimately you can look at this entire movie as a horror movie if you want because like looking at it as an older guy i'm like god damn this is kind of up why is joe a bad guy i mean tom jarrett would have died anyway yeah but joe is like rather than go to heaven yeah i need to have this affirmation of my athletic career.

But who is he harming?

Well, that's not what he said, though.

They took him mistakenly.

It wasn't his time.

He wanted to live something as close to his life as he had before.

Right.

But he's only interested in doing it with a guy who's athletically gifted enough so that they could feasibly be trained to play quarterback.

It's not like he's trying to bend the rules a little bit.

Think about the horror.

This is also my hottest state that I've come up with on the spot.

Think about

the horror.

They're going around showing him people that are about to die.

And it's these people this is like final destination he's like it's too short it's too short this guy's on the highway that probably guy probably fell off broke his the dude probably like dale earn hearted out when he was like driving the car yeah this guy probably crashed crap probably crashed the car it's like it's it's kind of scary when you think about the metaphysics of it all

um

So I was going to talk about this later, but we should talk about this now.

For your hottest take?

No, just in general.

Because the different version of this movie movie is he just has his memory the whole time and it ends yeah but it's not as good of a movie yeah because we don't get the jack warden scene certainly and we don't get the you're the quarterback scene so for the movie it works better but for real life

it's way better to keep his memory and just be like all right i gotta figure out how to be tom jarred for the next 40 years but there's this other piece like what if tom jarred was like married with two kids

I hadn't even thought of that.

I hadn't thought of that either.

Yeah.

Because then even if you become Tom Jarrett and you're married, but also think about your your parents, he might have had a side piece, too.

He might have had a whole and Tom Jarrett theoretically is third-string quarterback, so he probably has like a two-bedroom place in like Encino, you know, like it is like he's not living like the.

But do you think now that Joe Pendleton's soul is in Tom Jarrett, he's just gonna be like, you know what, I've been thinking, we should move to Malibu, yeah, just start doing the things Joe would have done anyway.

I have another thought, a sequel horror movie, yeah, to where Joe Pendleton's soul

starts fighting and presenting itself he like he's coming up there's a movie like this that i'm thinking about but like he's trying to take over yeah he's picking up the thing tom jarrett's breaking the fucking saxophone it's heaven will not wait give me my colon give me my body back

it's good stuff

i'm not i'm not against this one but you really could say mr jordan was actually the devil yeah he wasn't in heaven that he's fucking with him what's your hypothetical

and saw uh mine is that when mr jordan Jordan says the likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity with which others are trying to prove him wrong, he just basically invents Jim Rome in the jungle right there.

Mr.

Jordan invented tape culture.

This ag

Jim Rome watched heaven.

Can we?

I was like, yes.

I'm on to something.

Jay Williams is like, straighten it down.

I like the sag.

My hottest take.

I think Julie Christie was the hottest British lady that ever lived.

Oh, come on.

I think the British goat, not necessarily in this movie, but just for me, it's her and it was Elizabeth Hurley in the finals.

Eva Green.

Is Eva Green British?

I believe she is, but now you still got me thinking of young Helen Mirren.

Young Helen Mirren?

I mean, Eva Green's British.

She's French.

Oh, yeah, she's French.

She's French.

My bad.

Shout out to her.

I saw Julie Christie against every dreamer.

So that's the hottest take.

Ben Lathan Award.

Did this movie need more black people?

Yeah.

We're talking football.

The line play is heavily black.

They should have been, first of all, they should have been the moment that he became Joe.

He should have called up his homeboys as on the football team, and he should have had to convince them that he was Joe.

Right.

Hysterical.

They're all together.

Think about like the left tackle and like the receiver.

Yeah.

Think about the kookiness

of those people in that stuck up, like Lily White mansion when they come down and the linebacker room is in

the living room, when the wide receiver room is out there.

This is a funny thing in the movie that they missed.

It's a funny thing in the movie that they missed.

Even Max being black would have worked.

I was thinking there's a whole alternate universe where Tom Jarrett is black.

And it's like, you have your chance to come back and play for the Rims.

But you're giving Tom Jerry.

Yeah.

This is sort of like a footnote, like an extra caveat to the Van Lathan Award should be the Matthew McConnelly now imagining his black award.

Think about that.

If you're back.

Specific at the end of any movie.

What year should be like now imagine?

What year is he?

This is like

78.

So

being the quarterback is one thing.

But then you got to go out into the world in 1978.

He's going to think about that for a second.

If it wouldn't have been Tom Jarrett, it would have been Derek Jenkins.

Well, it would have been the new second string quarterback who would have been like the Joe Milton of that team.

And he would have to be like, oh, okay.

How bad do I want that?

How bad do I want it?

Yeah.

What happened with Joe Milton?

Why'd you guys?

Yeah, there'd probably be a better sequel.

Joe Pendleton becomes the black backup quarterback.

And he changed the team.

He wins the Super Bowl.

He rewrites the record books books on it and he's just he's just playing italian jazz on his soprano the reason why they got rid of joe milton because it doesn't matter if you can throw the football 150 miles you can't throw it to a live person okay get that one game casting what ifs warren beatty really wanted carry grant to accept the role of mr jordan offered him one million dollars and had his ex-wife diane cannon pushing And Carrie Grant said, no, thanks.

I will stay retired.

Turned out a million dollars.

Yeah.

James Mason.

I still love the verdict, James Mason.

What an incredible thing.

That's why it should be disallowed.

Furthermore.

I like evil James Mason more than heavenly James Mason.

Captain Nemo James Mason is great.

Diane Keaton was Warren Beatty's

alleged first choice for the role.

Buck Henry has said a lot after that they tested all these actresses and it just

really wanted to be Julie Christie because he was still kind of like it's a difficult period for casting what-ifs.

Doing Super 70s month is hard because it's like the same 30 people yeah are linked to the role yeah because they were like this is how you get the movie made is get one of these 30 people yeah is a question about that because that is true you hear the same names because some of the names like hacking puccino de niro

yeah some of the names you hear that you know they was going to play sunny it's like stupid is the studio system still running things at this point no right No, but they just want a bank roll.

But they're recycling.

Yeah, I can explain.

If you read every role, it's like the same thing.

The first Goldman book is a lot about the star you need to get any movie made.

You got to get Clint Eastwood, you got to get Robert Rurre.

Basically, everybody, Warren Beatty was the number one.

If we get this guy, the movie's getting made.

And Newman and Redford were probably 2A and 2B, I think, right?

Back then.

Yeah.

And this is kind of like,

I remember there used to be this.

I can't remember what it was.

Is Eastwood not like the biggest star in the world at this point?

He just couldn't have been in a movie like this.

No, but although...

I think he was the most reliable box office guy.

But you don't hear his name a lot when you hear about this.

Oh, this could have been this guy.

This could have been this guy.

It seems like

to imagine.

He's got enough cachet to just do his own movies that he wants to do that are only for him.

Tell him a good Jack Horner, Eastwood, yeah, just being Eastwood.

He's like, I'm going to shoot Jack.

He's just like, I'll tell you what.

Shoot, you little twerp.

Can you imagine Eastwood being like the day that Groden gets the drop on him and shoots him and he falls into a well?

I don't think I could ever see that happening.

You got something itching in those pants, waiting to get out, Dirk.

Three directors considered to direct.

There's Jack Hornerson.

Arthur Penn, Mike Nichols, Peter Bogdanovich,

all bounced around, but Beatty really wanted to direct it himself.

Bogdanovich would be really interesting to me.

His career was pretty much

in shambles at this point.

There's also like this weird thing with this movie.

You know, it's very cool looking and it's delightful, but like the co-directing co-directing to credit and Buck Henry was brought on because Beatty didn't want to have to direct other actors in scenes that he's in, but Warren Beatty's in almost every scene.

So,

which directing did he do?

Buck Henry's really hitter in the back, like he definitely is lobbing grenades.

Neil Diamond composed a song titled Heaven Can Wait, specifically for the film, but

Beatty decided to decline to use it.

I was trying to think what that song could be: Heaven Can Wait, like Neil Diamond voice.

uh best that guy award so the rams coach played by uh my guy dolph sweet who is the dad and give me a break with mel carter i have john randolph the rams owner oh that's a good

guy i have william bogart who's in the uh the um

the boardroom scene he's the dad from he's on small small wonder

small wonder good one Diane Wader, DM Waiter's award has to go to Diane Cannon.

I think she's eligible.

Oh, yeah.

What about Groden?

Could be one or the other.

Groden or Danny.

I had Warden or Mason.

I guess Warden's in too much.

I had Mason.

Warden's in too much.

Mason.

Mason?

Over Diane Cannon?

Well, I feel like

she's the third person in this film.

Like, she's third billing.

It's definitely a.

Oh, you think so?

It wouldn't be Julie Christie?

No, she's second billing.

Fine.

Deacon Jones.

Got a couple lines.

There you go.

Deacon Jones.

Yeah.

Recasting couch director or

city.

I actually really like how this movie's cast.

I don't think I would do anything.

You wouldn't move it to Foxborough?

No.

No.

I think this needs to be a way.

We need the Malibu footage.

You know what?

I had a thought, man.

New Orleans.

I know I'm being a homer.

New Orleans works.

Put like a little spiritual, since it's a horror movie anyway, spiritual voodoo element.

Horror New Orleans.

Some sort.

Very compact city.

He's playing for the Saints.

Saints going to the Super Bowl would be a big deal.

I think New Orleans could have worked.

Only four times.

Oh, have fast energy research.

Only four times in Oscar's history have

two people been nominated for best directing Oscar.

The last two were the Cohen brothers, twice for True Grit and for No Country, for Old Man.

Heaven can wait.

And then two guys for Westside Story.

Not common.

They usually have a bunch of rules.

They can't have co-directors.

They discourage it.

They don't like it.

Yeah.

I think you have to be like the Cohen brothers who are like, no, no, no, it's cool.

We're doing this as a team.

Yeah.

Biscuit, he said Christie used to be really hard on Warren Beatty in his book about that he was basically making sellout movies.

And apparently,

in that wide shot, when he's walking with her before, like the last, basically their last scene together in the mansion, when he tells her, if I ever come back as a Rams quarterback, the wide shot, they're talking and they're just supposed to pretend they're talking.

And apparently she was saying, I can't believe you're still making these fucking dumb movies all these people are all over europe making fabulous films and you're still doing this shit and then smiling at them like she was sweet talking him and was just like fucking with him the whole movie yeah but now in that respect it's like

what what is she talking about because like parallax view shampoo and make him and mrs miller which pre are the precursors to this are all

And I would argue this was a really good movie that he should have done.

I don't know.

And it is red.

So where's like all this shit?

She's like a British person.

This is why they fucking suck.

Oh, whoa.

Yeah, Get them the fuck out of here.

We sent them packet in 1776.

I stayed by it.

It wasn't we.

I'm just saying

it wasn't we.

I didn't have much saying you guys.

Yeah, I did, you know.

Shout out to Christmas Addicts.

I mean, we went first.

Well, you guys, you don't care.

You guys don't care about that.

Okay, cool.

Gotcha.

I'm just going to move on to Apex Mountain.

Go for it.

Worm baiting?

No.

No.

No?

What is this, Apex Mountain?

I think it's Reds.

What makes you think it's Shampoo?

I think it's Reds.

Reds?

Because he gets the Oscar.

I would say Shampoo.

I personally would say Shampoo because I think after Shampoo, he could do anything he wanted, which ended up being this movie that he writes, produces, directs, and stars in.

And the studio's like, here, take money.

Something to be said for the fact that he does Reds and doesn't really do anything with it until Ishtar.

Yeah, he has like a five-year, I think he's just getting down.

Cooked up.

1982.

I don't know if he was a a coke guy 1982 los angeles warren beatty coming off reds i think he's getting social engagements yeah

maybe who knows julie christie no i told you we're apex mountain it's 1965 movies involving heaven metaphysical body swap movies i have this i like it's a question now so it's this it's like chances are which i love what you guys don't really care about freaky friday

You're talking about switching bodies?

Well, body swap.

I'm talking about metaphysical movies.

Yeah, like coming back down from coming back down

i think this is the most famous one right yeah i mean i think dave is just they find a twin it's not that's nothing like metaphysical about it um this is the fifth biggest movie of a giant movie year yeah actually to be honest with you this is the movie that a lot of those movies are probably minimum mimicking what about big

could be that's a metaphysical body swap movie not involving heaven but it's like supernatural type of shit big's a good one yeah maybe actually it's probably big Big is probably sets the tone for this.

It's not like involving God, but it's probably big.

This isn't Grodin, but what is Grodin?

Is it Midnight Run?

Yeah, does Midnight Run and then his talk show comes after Midnight Run?

Yeah.

A couple years later.

Jack Warden, probably not.

I think he got nominated for stuff.

The Rams, they win a Super Bowl.

First iteration of the LA Rams.

Yeah.

I think you could say.

Yeah.

Diane Cannon.

She's going to Laker games.

Magic's about to show up.

Got nominated for an Oscar.

She actually becomes.

Do you think the Showtime?

It could be argued that the Showtime Lakers is actually the apex mountain of Diane Cannon.

Like, so many people know her.

Her in the NBA Fantastic Commercial?

Know her from just being a Lakers super fan.

Being a Lakers super fan.

Yeah.

You could argue that the Showtime Lakers are her.

I think she was in the Pointer Sisters

commercial.

It's Shaka Khan song.

She's like, she's an absolute renaissance woman.

Overtime Super Bowl games, no.

Shout out to the Falcons fans.

Rich Person Mansions in a movie.

Is there a better one than the Filello, whatever it's called, Bandit?

Like somebody who's real.

I mean, Xanadu and Citizen Kane's pretty cool.

The Gray Snow Mansion, Batman,

TV show.

It's a pretty good mansion.

Yeah.

Cruiser Hanks.

Pretty small mansion.

Hanks.

Hanks.

Hanks.

Hanks, man.

Hanks, Craig.

Yeah, they're not as convinced as you guys, but yeah.

Hanks.

I mean, to be honest with you.

Cruz can do it.

Cruise is not convincing me as a quarterback.

Come on.

I think

his bike riding scene would have been incredible.

I don't know if Tom Cruzban

me as a quarterback either, though.

He would have really taken the football scene seriously.

I think if Tom Cruise had done this movie, he would have been like, I can get the Butlers to play for the Rams.

I'll get home myself.

Yeah.

Scorsese or Spielberg, This feels like Spielberg.

100 times out of 100.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

Older him could have played Max.

Yeah.

Oh, I skipped your van, your flex category, Van.

Did you?

I already did it.

The five.

I rode up the five.

Oh, yeah, you did it.

Yeah, yeah.

Craig, you're up.

I wanted to go with the George Ellerby two weeks with pay award for the character who deaf should have been fired.

I kind of think every character in this movie should have been fired.

Joe Pendleton riding his bike on the freeway as a quarterback in the NFL before the Super Bowl.

Jack Warden is a trainer who literally was not at the stadium on game day.

Charles Groden and Diane Cannon couldn't hide their affair at all.

Yeah.

And they couldn't kill Joe.

Julie Christie, the teacher, just abandoned her ethics after one boardroom meeting.

That's true, true.

And the Angels murdered Joe Pendleton twice.

Because they're demons.

This is great.

Yeah.

Everyone was a copy.

Yeah.

The Rams coach didn't didn't care that Tom Jared was legally dead.

That one guy's doing their job well.

Power right on two.

I like that, Craig.

Pick a nets.

I have just a slew of them.

It just, I mean, yeah.

I bet we all have very similar ones.

I'll start.

Why does the head trainer get so much say over who's playing quarterback?

Yeah.

Fucking doesn't matter what the fuck you think.

Only Alex Garrett.

I was going to say there's a lot of DV12 in this movie.

Yeah.

How do you take over somebody's fucking?

He's so weird.

He's like, he looks good.

Yeah.

Okay.

He looks great.

Why don't you go over there and stretch somebody out?

How do you take over someone's body if you don't know anything about their life?

And wouldn't the first like two weeks be like, wait, where's the bathroom?

Like, what, who are you?

Like, you just wouldn't know anything.

Yeah.

Also, the biggest nitpick is, unless I'm mistaken, we never know what shape Leo Farnsworth.

I mean, he's like, Leo Farnsworth's in good shape.

You wouldn't know how old he is.

How old is he?

We don't know what he looks like.

Yeah.

What does he look like?

Like, he's got to be decent looking if Julie Christie's into him pretty quickly.

He's got to be a little bit more.

I think there should have been a scene where he picked up a picture of him and looked at a wedding picture of him and Diane Cannon and just we get to see who it was.

So they do this same thing in a fantastic movie called Wonder Woman 1984.

You're sarcastic about being

fucking terrible.

Where

it's like legitimately terrible.

Chris Pine comes back

as Steve Trevor.

However, in a different body, we see him as Steve Trevor.

When he sees himself,

we see the person that he's supposed to be.

They should have done that.

Yep.

How does Max have time to train fake Leo Farnsworth for weeks when he's supposed to be the Rams trainer?

Yeah.

It's a really solid nitpick.

I have a lot more.

Oh, we did.

How old was Farnsworth?

What was his body like?

Can you buy the Rams in like four days?

Probably not.

I can't.

Probably a vote.

The fucking whole league has to vote.

Yeah.

The commissioner has to be the super money has to be exchanged.

It doesn't matter how much.

It doesn't matter if you come in and you go off for a hundred.

I know.

They talked about the tush push for like 18 months.

Yeah, it's like you can't.

You can't, no fucking way.

You can't do this.

He starts trying to buy them during the playoffs, and then they're in the Super Bowl, and he's already the owner and has been practicing.

How is it that the Jets, Ravens, and Pats all got behind the Eagles there for the Tush Push?

It's all the people, all the teams of the rings.

All the people with aggro coaches.

Oh, yeah.

Ravenbles like i love the tissue

um what happened to tom jarrett when leo was practicing with the rams the owner just shows up and starts taking reps and they're about to play in the super bowl and they have a starting quarterback we know what happened to him tom jarrett's just like all right i'll just be over here like he's the starting quarterback they're about to play in the super bowl this would have been the hugest story like insane new rams owner takes over rams and takes reps from jarrett during a practice this is all anyone would have talked about.

It would have been incredible.

I can't.

So, who would

Jarrett would have been third string at the start of the season, right?

The second

Jarrett was second.

Second.

He was starting for Pendleton because Pendleton was hurt.

Pendleton was coming back from an injury.

Oh, Pendleton.

Wait, wait.

Pendleton.

Oh, so Pendleton had hurt his knee.

He lost his job.

He was coming back.

That's why I was.

And no one had ever seen anybody recover from a knee injury like that without surgery.

Yeah.

He basically did it with health training.

With whey, protein, and liver.

And steroids.

Pablo Torre would have done a long podcast about Leo Farnsworth trying to practice with the team and then done a media tour about it afterwards.

This fucking guy, bro.

I've never seen anybody dine on the stupider story for a week and a half while dating your journalist.

What the fuck was that?

Whoa.

Seriously.

What the fuck?

Oh, Belchick's dating a girl.

Oh, let me do nine shows about that.

I can't tell.

Are you settling the fuck down?

If this was about Jeffrey Lurie, though, would you be like, we got to get public

thing, right?

Like, why are you rambling?

You don't need to do mediator.

It was a story.

Everybody was talking about it to be.

Maybe do two shows.

Yeah.

Could an owner actually play for his own NFL team?

No.

I'm not saying no.

I would love to see the 1978 NFL owner's guidelines.

Because I feel like those guys

were getting away with a lot back.

But covered.

I was thinking Matt Ishbio was the ultimate new owner syndrome syndrome guy.

Yeah.

But I think this might have tied to the ball.

Leo Farter.

Leo Fartboard is the owner syndrome.

I own the Rams, and I'm now the quarterback.

So they shoot Leo in his house and they don't think they're going to get caught.

No, no, no, no.

They don't fucking shoot him in his house because shoot him in his house means that somebody walks up to him while he's in a closet or he's in some place where nobody knows where he is and you double tap him and then go, somebody broke.

No, that's not what they do.

They fucking Lee Harvey Oswald him from a window in the house i know while he's standing in broad daylight and the cannon goes off yeah so it makes by the way impressive shot to time it with the cannon yeah but absolutely makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever you're caught like you're caught it's the biggest possible gun that you could never hide in a million years it would take five hours to take it apart but the funny part about that is they tried every other way to kill him and then grow and goes fuck it i I just got domed this before, right?

He lead Harvey's.

Well, and also the question then becomes:

the Rams owner dies the day of the Super Bowl, or these murderers discovered the Damned.

Like a week before, yeah, the murderers discovered the day.

Which would then put the Rams at the center of yet another insane story.

Yeah, you know, like not to mention two quarterbacks dying.

Guy buys the team, makes himself starting quarterback, gets killed.

Max skips the Super bowl to help the police catch the killer we mentioned that how did max get to the super bowl that fast is like he's gotten like michael fourth quarter yeah he's like yeah head down to the coliseum it's the super bowl all the all the streets are closed yeah i don't know he's gonna buy now he gets from wherever farnsworth is supposed to be living in southern california to the coliseum yeah

any other picnic

uh no i've gotten them all out okay sequel prequel prestige to be all blackcaster untouchable i think the prestige tv case is really good for this oh yeah i would be the whole farnsworth i would have i could have spent eight episodes with it i would also stretch it out a little bit so you got a little bit more grudin and cannon like yeah that character was like what do they what do these two talk about maybe we go to paglesham see what's going on with the refinery the whole grudin and uh gruden the whole uh grotin and cannon thing they got like an episode or two just by themselves yeah just by themselves trying to kill is this movie better with wayne jenkins danny treo doris burks sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley?

I broke a

new character out for you just for this movie.

It's a Pablo Torrey.

John Gruden.

John Gruden.

Let me talk to you about this Joe Pendleton out of the Los Angeles Rams organization, okay?

Running a concept I like to call Broom X Lightning.

And I love the arm angle.

And let me tell you something about Joe Pendleton, though.

The guy's a fruitcake, okay, with the alfalfa sprout shakes.

We didn't have those in Mike Holmgren's QB room.

Brett Fard was drinking six cans of bush with three Burka sets, and he did just fine.

I don't know why.

I made him look kind of like he's strange kind of Chicago.

Yeah, he's from Ohio.

It was a little like the Bears.

Yeah.

I liked it.

I didn't have one for this one.

Do you have one?

What?

A Wayne Jenkins?

He doesn't

do the voices, yeah.

It's in his contract.

So

I have to go back to Ryan Rucco since it's WMB NBA time.

I'll do Rucco

shooting Warren Beatty with a long rifle.

He's, I am from across the mountain.

You bet.

The cannon goes off.

You bet.

I just want to ask her who gets it.

It won an Oscar for art direction.

So I guess that wins.

Is that Silbert?

Richard Silbert?

Yeah.

I guess that's the winner.

You know what, though?

I felt like maybe Warden.

I like Warden for best supporting.

Best supporting.

The problem is this was Watkins here for Deer Hunter.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So it's out.

He's out.

Who won Supporting Actress this year?

I don't remember.

Deer Hunter.

Probably an answerable question.

What a movie.

Van.

What's up?

If Heaven was like Heaven Can Wait and Hell was like Ghost and you could lock that in, are you good?

Yeah.

Okay.

Locked in.

Yeah, there's a lot of volatility there.

So I think I'd take it.

take it.

Yeah.

There's a chance heaven could be better.

There's a real chance hell could be way worse.

Planes

seem solid.

Yeah.

Planes taking you somewhere.

If you could

have

the version of heaven be

actually what it is from any movie, if heaven is what it is, what movies heaven to you is the best heaven that you would like the most?

I really, I just, aesthetically speaking, the most pleasant is defending your life.

Oh, yeah, defending your life is good.

Because I really like the idea of being able to eat as much as you want.

And the food tasting fucking amazing, whatever you eat.

But I would have a hard time like going over every pot, you know, in front of a jury.

I guess my question with heaven is people are still working in heaven in this movie.

Like Buck Henry and James Mason have jobs.

But they're entities.

They're spirits or angels.

The answer is: this is the end.

Incredible heaven.

That was a good heaven.

Oh, that's a good heaven.

That was a good heaven.

Good answer, Craig.

What was a beautiful movie?

What dreams may come?

Good heaven.

Good movie?

No.

Good heaven.

Robin Williams and Cuba Gooding?

Cuba Jr.

Good heaven.

Not a great movie.

Trying to think of other heavens.

Pretty rough movie.

I'll tell you something.

What you just said about heaven reminds me of something Mr.

Dyer told us

sophomore year, Christian Life Academy.

God damn it.

You get a lot of names of your teachers into pods.

I got to tell you.

Mr.

Dyer told us, I remember when he was telling us about the fact that

there was a dome of water over the earth before the flood, which is why people lived that long.

And during the flood, God dropped the water on us, and that's what made the flood.

And then right after that, after the flood, everybody stopped living as long, right?

This was a whole thing.

What did he teach?

this well this was christian life

so like they they teaching you calculus a little bit and then they go let me tell you why if you don't get this right well i got you guys here

this is what he said i remember one time he was talking about heaven and doing the whole deal He's like, I hope you guys know that in heaven, you will work.

It's not just going to be a situation where you're hanging out and enjoying it the whole time.

You're going to wake up.

You're going to go out.

You're going to pick grain.

You're going to do something.

You're going to be a stone cobbler.

There's going to be work in heaven.

And I remember looking around that class at a group of youngsters who thought.

that if we could only get it right on the earth, that we would be up in heaven chilling for eternity and watching this fucking guy break our hearts.

So, I'm telling you guys right now,

in heaven, you will have to be middle management for some other planet or some other civilization where you're going to have to find people and get them on the metaphysical plane.

Okay, are there same game parlays?

Can I do Taylor Fade there?

Would your idea of like who to jump into would be like, I need to jump into a guy who has access to fan gambling

i need to be in a state where there's some guys gambling

to show me the states i'm like california doesn't work yeah there's this guy

oh that works is your version of heaven new york hitting on every bet or no because it's gonna get old right

this is one of those things i there's two types of people the people that think about this and wonder what's gonna happen and then the people who try not to think about it at all and i'm in the ladder camp i am so in the ladder.

I'm in the ladder camp.

I don't like thinking about this stuff.

It's even sadder to think about nothing happening.

You know, oh, Jesus, we got to move on.

I'm about to freak out.

Just the TV goes off.

I'm about to freak out for real, bro.

We gotta, we gotta, like, we gotta move on.

Like, literally, I'm feeling anxiety rising in my feet right now.

Just want Neo Word for what happened the next day.

Yeah, Jared.

Tom Jarrett.

Probably in the superstars that summer with on ABC.

Yeah.

You think he moves on from Betty Prefect?

He might have done like a threes company cameo.

Uh-huh.

Maybe, maybe a Gatorade or a Weedies type ad.

And then I think he eventually gets CT from the hit he took in the Super Bowl.

He's probably eaten out of a straw in 1970, 1992.

That's it for Tom.

Corkle was committed the very next day.

He fucking loses it.

Oh, yeah.

So you don't think that when he gets him fired?

The very next day after he has gone through his friend dying, his friend coming back, and then losing it again, his brain completely fucking unravels.

He spends the rest of his life.

He's the only one that knows.

Remember, she doesn't know.

Yeah.

The only one that knows that he came back in a different body, and then he's got to be around this guy.

He's got to work with this guy.

So he becomes an alcoholic.

He becomes an alcoholic.

He's his life completely.

He tries to, he writes books.

Yeah.

He gets a ham radio and starts trying to communicate with people, a public access TV show, like the whole nine, but nobody ever believes him.

He goes crazy.

Ends up living in Pugshim.

Packershim.

Packershim.

What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie?

Any of the funny Leo Farnsworth hats, like all the outfits that he walks in when he's first Farnsworth.

I genuinely love the Rams jackets that their guys are wearing.

Those Windbreakers.

Those are fucking cool.

I may or may not have looked on eBay for them just to see if they were kicking around.

But the coach has them on too.

Yeah.

Really, really, really cool.

The clarinet would be an interesting thing to have.

A ticket stub for the actual preseason game, the Rams Stayers 1977.

And then Jared's Rams jersey.

That's what I have.

I have Jared's jersey.

It's an interesting conversation.

I miss number 16 being a pretty standard quarterback number.

Yeah, what happened?

No, it's like a receiver number.

Yeah, it's like Montana was that.

Stabler was that Vinny Testaverdi.

Jake the Snake was 16.

The Coach Finstock Award for best life lesson.

There's a reason for everything.

There's always a plan.

That was a bad James Mason.

I like that concept, though.

There's a reason for everything.

There's always a plan.

Got to believe it.

I love it.

It's not true.

Yeah.

Best double feature choice.

I would say shampoo.

Let's just go mid-70s baiting and knock it out.

This is a funny one.

We've also done it on the rewatchables, but in the same kind of like kicking around rich people LA vibe, I would go Fletch.

Oh, that's good.

Oh, that's good.

Like it.

What do you have?

Meet Joe Black.

Yeah.

It's a terrible film.

That movie sucks.

You guys, but this is a movie that meant a lot, okay, to us in the community.

We watched it.

I had

so much clear for Lante stock.

She just kind of blew it over and over and over again.

What was the movie she hid in?

Mall rats?

Mall mall rats yeah mall rats is

iconic bought a lot of stuff burned dougherty and mall rats who won the movie warn baby baby baby one

producer craig never saw the movie what do you got i feel bad

uh-oh i i wanted to like this movie more than i did i had some time looks for you because i saw that it was an hour and 40 minutes yep and it's about football it had goddamn i think that honestly that's part of i think my expectations are high on paper it looked great uh when i saw i was like wow nine oscars for this film 100 million bucks in 1977.

I don't know.

I didn't hate it by any means.

I just thought it was kind of like, I thought it was well cast.

I thought it felt kind of dated.

It was a little slow.

I don't know.

It just didn't land for me.

Do you think the fact that it was so critically acclaimed like changed your opinion of it going in?

Yeah, I think I expected to be blown away a little bit.

Can I ask you, did you think like the first 15 minutes where you're like, this is incredible?

Like when he's like drinking the shake and watching game film and being Warren Beatty, where you're like, if it's this, it's going to be great.

I don't know.

I kind of thought like the whole, I thought it was really slow.

I thought that the scene where he's throwing and Jack Warden keeps saying looks good.

It had like the longest yard datedness to me where I was like, I don't know, man.

This is feeling, I'm feeling the 70s.

Is it the lowest ranked super 70s movie for you?

No, Deathwish is movable.

It's a little woke.

But, you know, it's just, I think this is more of a product of just what Hollywood was in in the late 70s, which is like, it's delightful that this movie got nine nine Oscars and made 100 million bucks.

It's great.

What year were you born again?

1994.

Jesus.

Like, like, it, how many movies do you like where like God or heaven is in the movie?

I love Bruce Almighty.

Okay.

Because like that stopped being a thing after a while.

Bruce Almighty.

Bruce Almighty is a good one.

Uh-huh.

But like, cause I think that like in my era, there were still a lot of movies with that.

And I think that stuff kind of turns people off now.

I think it's hard.

Like comedies for me, I grew up with a great time with comedy.

Like, those are the movies that I remember the most.

And so, a comedy from the 70s, I just think naturally it feels dated.

The way that comedy was written and it was shot, I didn't think this movie was directed that well.

I thought it was just like a little bit

kind of sloppy.

I thought the writing was not impressed with Warren Beatty and Buck Henry.

Wow.

Wow.

I thought it was well written.

Still alive.

We should send him this clip.

Yeah.

I thought it was well acted.

I don't know.

It's not going to be all home runs with Craig.

No.

What didn't you like about Deathwish?

The entire movie?

movie?

It's a tough one.

The most brutal opening scene anyone ever needs.

You know, Bronson.

Questionable politics in the movie.

Yeah.

We don't judge in the rewatch.

It's pre-two.

It's pre a lot of things.

Yeah.

Who is who's Beatty right now?

They remake this movie.

Gosling.

Oh, that's a good one.

That's a really good one.

He almost is the Warren Batty.

No.

Maybe.

Well, he's not like a ladies' man per se.

He's a very, very, very...

Warren Beatty would have played Ken and Barbie.

He would have done that.

He would have taken that risk.

Yeah.

And Gosling's already got the football.

Remember the Titans?

Oh, yeah.

He was a pussy in that, though.

He was.

That's it for Big Ass 76 Month.

Well, CR, Van, had a great time.

I'm sorry.

Greg didn't have his good time.

Craig, don't ever apologize.

I didn't hate it.

I did this podcast.

I had a perfectly nice night watching it.

Thanks to Jack and Ronic as well.

No bad opinions.

No bad opinions.

We will be back next week and it won't be a Sundays.

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