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We are going to do our 17th Tom Cruise movie on the Rewatchables.

He's just, he's like Barry Bonds in 2002.

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A classic minority report is next.

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Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg.

Minority Report.

Rough Lanning.

Have to work on that.

This film not yet rated, June 21st, only in theater.

All right, minority report.

CR has been floating this and suggesting this for a long, long time.

He's wearing a master's hat today to try to really capture the magic.

Is this

the master of his domain?

Yeah.

Okay, gotcha.

That's right.

If you had to pick, is this a Tom Cruise movie or a Spielberg movie?

I think it's a Spielberg movie, but I don't think it works if it's not Tom Cruise.

Oh, yeah.

But the ingenuity of it, the vision of it, the

creative flair, I think in some ways, it's one of Steven Spielberg's most swagged out movies.

He is doing stuff in this just to amuse himself, just because he can.

It's like watching him play.

play left-handed, just like, ah, I'm going to try this.

I'm going to do that.

I'm going to do all my coverage with camera movement.

I'm going to go up a building.

I'm going to jump off the building.

We're going to do all this stuff about the future, but we're not even going to like explain how it works.

We're just going to run right through it.

It's so fast.

It's so energetic.

It just feels Spielberg to me.

What do you think, Van?

It's definitely a Spielberg movie.

And it's, you know, around the same time that Spielberg was messing around with the darker side of Spielberg stuff.

You know, he's doing this, he's doing AI, and then even World of the Worlds with Tom Cruise again is a little bit of a darker Spielberg take.

He's getting a little bit more intense with it.

And in those movies, to Chris's point, it's when he's really showing off how technically brilliant he is just to build tension

using the camera and his mastery as a director.

Yeah, it's almost like it was like Jordan just being like, you think I can't do this?

What's your nitpick now?

And then he would just come up with something to

cover that.

He's not a 98.

I mean, at the end of Saving Private Ryan, and he's got, he's done Schindler's List, he's done Amistad, he's done these heavy movies.

Heavier movies, sure.

He does AI.

Amistad's not that heavy.

No.

Well, maybe not for you, Bill.

Do you have the comedy cut?

I would say Amistad.

I like to think of Bill on a Saturday.

Like, I want a feel-good movie.

Yeah.

Let's just throw on Amistad.

No, Amistad's.

All right.

The deleted scenes are good.

No, Amistad and Munich, I think, are two of the heavier movies.

But that's where we get into Schindler's List and Saviour Your Private Ride.

We've actually done a couple of these now.

We haven't done AI, but like he does AI, which is sort of this also extension of Kubrick, right?

Because Kubrick was originally going to do artificial intelligence.

But he does Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can.

We've also done Rewatchables.

The Terminal, but War of the Worlds.

Like he's, he's just working.

It just seems like he's like, what I want to do is get into the gym and try this and try that and try this.

I do feel like this is the tail end of whatever crazy all-time apex he had, right?

Probably tailing off around the mid-2000s a little bit.

He's getting older.

I think this is the most creative movie he made during this whole stretch, though.

Even the way, like, the color correction, like the stuff my guy Janusz Kaminski did.

And he told Yanush, I want this to be the ugliest movie I've ever made.

Yeah, it's like bleached out.

It's just, it just really like

distinct.

There's a little tension in there when you watch the film between

traditional Spielberg visuals and how this movie is probably supposed to look and supposed to feel.

Like there's a version of this movie, if it's directed by like David Fincher or someone like that with a little bit of a darker palette and a more clear aesthetic and

like narrative kind of thought about the milk that's a lot darker and that's a lot more intense.

But you can look and see the Spielbergian notes throughout the movie.

There's like little wacky parts that pull their,

in some of the chases where they're really intense, then there's the part where he's, the women are the contortionists.

There's little parts where he pulls you out of being a little bit too dour about what's going on and reminds you that you're watching the Steven Spielberg movie.

Yeah, one of the things I was wondering is there's that whole new generation of directors that come in the mid-90s, right?

That next class that's a little reminiscent of what he had in the 70s and PTA and Fincher, all these dudes kind of coming up.

And this feels like the most Fincher-y type of movie

that he could have made.

And I really wonder if, like, Fincher either inspired him or made him competitive to be like, oh, everyone thinks Fincher is a genius.

Like, I'm going to fucking out Fincher him.

I wonder also whether or not audiences had shown an openness to a certain level of grime, like a little bit more dirt, a little bit more of a smudge on the lens.

Like it, like, the room isn't tidy.

Like, people are a little bit more fucked up.

Like, it was definitely in the air in that 90s into the early 2000s turn i think cinematically internet we're starting to be like oh

yeah this is going to be part of our lives for the rest of our lives now where is this going well and then the crucial oh i'm sorry go no no go ahead no i mean i'm saying like a little bit more of the dystopian stuff is starting to take over sci-fi yeah you know this is post 9-11 post 9-11 post the matrix so it's uh it you're

you're invisible

hey but that's that's very that's a big part of this film.

When I watch it, I'm like, hey, they got that right.

Yeah, this movie has some really interesting futuristics

to where they get a couple things right.

But I'm saying maybe Spielberg and other people are looking at it and it's like the high concept sci-fi that you're looking at now is a little darker.

Not that that didn't exist before, but people were actually going to it and craving it a little bit.

Didn't know where they were.

I have seven genres happening all at the same time in this movie.

It's a Spielberg movie.

It's a cruise movie.

And I think CR is right.

Cruise is essential to this, which we'll get into.

It's a sci-fi futuristic thriller.

It's a cop movie.

It's a fugitive movie.

It's like a psychic,

how much do we know about the future?

Do you believe in this shit movie?

And it's a free will versus determination movie, which is probably like the biggest theme in the movie is how much.

How much can you control of what happens?

Yeah.

Can I add two more things to that?

Let's do it.

I already have seven.

I think it's his Hitchcock homage.

So so much Vertigo, North by Northwest stuff happening in this, especially North by Northwest, all the chases, all the man, you know, man wrongly accused on the run stuff is right out of Hitchcock, some of Hitchcock's best movies.

And then it's essentially a Philip K.

Dick thing, which I don't think I really knew at the time because I hadn't really read a ton of his stuff in 02.

But a lot of the side characters, a lot of the conception of the future of us being constantly surveilled, of us all being hooked up on our devices and all being mildly addicted to drugs is all out of Philip K.

Dick.

And he obviously wrote this.

Are you a Phil Dick guy?

I am a Phil Dick guy.

Yeah.

I actually went on a little Phil Dick run recently.

You Phil dicked it up?

Yeah.

I got a category later for

the dick lovers out there.

Well, so the things from that book are

he has a pre-crime police department that apprehends criminals.

He has the pre-cogs, and it's in DC in 2054, which, by the way, Van is now less than 30 years away.

Yeah, you know what?

I was thinking, are we closer to

the actual imagining of

the world in 2054, or are we nowhere near?

Do you feel disappointed?

I feel like we're so far away from the cars and the traffic, how they manage that in here.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

We're like seven.

We can't even build a train.

We at least have Waymo, but But yeah,

we can't build half like I had to stop myself from like legitimately following Waymos in the neighborhood.

I would see a Waymo in Kalika.

Calica goes, there's nobody inside of the Waymo.

And I'm like, what the fuck?

I see it all the time when I'm walking around.

Every time I notice, I'm just like,

there's nobody driving.

You just want to follow a Waymo for just like one block and see.

if the Waymo is up to the task.

I know.

I never see anybody riding in the back of the Waymark.

Sometimes you want to throw the Waymo a curveball.

just like run out in front of

does the waymo know i always think about that

you know what i'm saying but you know all you also don't want to be the one guy that dies like

getting hit by waymo yeah what happened to this guy oh he was testing the waymo and the waymo said you i mean the problem with the waymos from what i've seen walking around is they're better drivers than all the actual drivers yeah but you need basically to hit a moment where there are more waymos than regular drivers because otherwise they're just like toddling along yeah you know and it's like

i i think i think right now they're more in the way than they are anything.

I agree.

You're behind a Waymo.

You're like, when a Waymo doesn't take that last, like, you can go on the left here.

Go, go, Waymo.

But consider the Waymo, though.

My great-grandfather passed away in 1987.

Yeah.

If I could have a conversation with him and I could say, Big Papa, this would be the first thing you told him.

I would be like, yo, I'm in a place right now where

there are cars that drive on the street with no drivers and they drive people around.

He couldn't even imagine that.

He was born in 1900.

It's nuts to think that the Waymo is here and it's not that big of a deal.

I have that every once in a while with my mom where she'll be like, what are you doing when I'm looking at my phone?

And I'm like, well, I was looking at a cat and now I'm looking at British Parliament.

She's like, what do you mean?

And I was just like, honestly, you just go like that.

And then something else comes.

She just, yeah.

Craig, where does your generation stand on Waymo?

I think honestly, we're all in.

A lot of my friends take Waymo.

It's cheaper.

They're like, they're doing that Uber thing where they're flooding the market with cheap prices so that everybody uses it.

Have you had a like, oh my God, I'm going to die at a Waymo moment?

I admittedly have not taken one.

Okay.

Oh, you have never been?

My son, Ben Simmons,

actually signed up early for Waymo and was using it before we knew it was going on.

And we found out and we were freaked out.

He was like, there's nobody in the car.

It's just you.

Well, they can't go on the freeway yet.

They don't do freeway.

Right.

So I was just driving around in the neighborhoods.

He's like, Sometimes I get in the passenger seat.

Sometimes I sit in the back seat.

There's nobody else in it.

But

apparently, he said people, some people are like getting busy in the Waymo.

Obviously.

And you immediately lose your Waymo pass.

If you're in the Waymo, the first thing you're going to think is, yo, this is the fuck train.

Get on.

But they're watching you in the Waymo.

The Waymo sex tapes are going to be so crazy.

Yeah, whoever hacks into the Waymo sex tapes, it's going to be.

Have you seen some of of like the Waymo, Waymo attacks where like people have destroyed Waymos or tagged them or like

rearranged them and trying to surf on top of them and stuff?

Oh, yeah.

It's when like the real like repo man of LA comes out.

Yeah.

I think it's gonna be a big summer for people torturing Waymos.

Anyway, back to

back to Mad Order for is that a prediction?

Yeah.

Prediction.

Coming up next.

So I'll tell you why Waymo is getting tagged up.

Spielberg was really, really passionate about figuring out 2054.

So I'll do some of the research stuff now.

Consulted scientists, invited 15 experts to Santa Monica for a three-day think tank where they talked about

whatever the future is going to be with architects.

Douglas Copeland from Gen X was there, the guy who wrote that, computer scientists, all kinds of people.

They made a 2054 Bible,

which was an 80-page guide.

I was looking for it online that had all the aspects of their future world.

It is exactly should be a PDF or an Apple book.

And then he said to Roger Ebert,

I wanted all the toys to come true someday.

I want there to be a transportation system that doesn't emit toxins into the atmosphere and a newspaper that updates itself.

The internet is watching us now.

If they want to, they can see what sites you visit.

In the future, television will be watching us and customizing itself to what it knows about us.

The thrilling thing is that will make us feel like we're part of the medium.

The scary thing is we'll lose our right to privacy and ad will appear in the air around us talking directly to us.

All that shit is fucking happening.

Yeah.

Like he said this in 2002 and he was dead on.

Here's the best part about what he did though.

Does all this research.

He imagines the world.

He figures all this stuff out with scientists.

He has a Bible.

But within the realm of the movie, it all happens as part of the action.

They never stop and say, you know, we invented self-driving cars cars in 2034 and they became perfected in 2041.

And this, you know, they don't even have toxins.

I didn't even think that they didn't have toxins.

It didn't even occur to me until you said that.

But I was thinking about when, when Anderton in this movie first, you know, is first on the run and he's walking through the mall and all the ads are starting to pop at him.

That's the first time you see the curated, you know, personalized advertising stuff and it's five seconds, but you're like, holy shit.

What is going on in the future?

You know, what is going on in this world?

Now, it's very different to watch this movie in 2025 and be like what you're saying within touching distance of all of this stuff basically being true but honestly none of the good stuff that seems to come out of minority report do you know what i mean i mean i do i do i also think that

the the movie is like one of the best parts of the movie is the world building that it does right it does it all very softly but very definitely like he's walking through there and you realize oh there's nowhere he can go and not be recognized how is he gonna get around that and then that sets up, to me, the most disgusting, but also the most fascinating scene in the movie where obviously when he gets his

eyes replaced, which is just

like that's Spielberg just going like.

You know me for making kids fly on bicycles.

How much can I disgust you and disturb you in one sequence?

But it all happens seamlessly.

It doesn't, there's never a point where the movie seems like there's a specific point that it's trying to make to you.

I like that they use DC, and he talks about this.

Where sometimes, in the futuristic movies, it just has no link to what things look like now.

So, they use DC and they still have a lot of the same landmarks in DC,

but it's just kind of a twisted, futuristic version of it, which I thought was smart.

The stuff that I thought worked, and tell me if I left anything out for futuristic stuff that just was cool, the police helicopters, yeah, um, the little

yeah, like I feel like like we might have those 29 years from now the eye recognition that's already happening you could walk into

that's clear yeah that's clear that's going into a clipper game that's just staring in and then they know you are they make you scan your retinas to watch the clippers they well they

when you walk in they scan your face and whatever and you don't have a ticket i can hear you yeah are you serious to watch the clippers yeah listen i don't have to wait in a line they can have all my stuff

extra minutes of my life i got i feel like you got to have a championship to scan my face.

I'm not letting the Clippers scan my face.

What about making the Western Finals?

Well, maybe, maybe they will.

But they can't.

Come on, man.

You got to have more.

They have my face and they can scan all they want out of it.

What's the drug in this?

Clarion?

Nurinin.

Nurinin?

Yeah.

As 2054 fentanyl, basically?

Yeah.

Like this new drug out of nowhere?

Yeah.

But a little bit also, I think, supposed to be numbing and hallucinogenic.

Yeah, which is a very Philip K.

Dick thing.

He has lots of, I just read a book of his where it's like everybody is taking a drug and looking at a little model of reality and then they go into the reality.

Wow, you have some Phil Dick energy today.

Phil dicking it up.

Yeah, I'm on the drug part of it because in his actual life, obviously, but the drug part of it is always a staple part of the future for him.

Yeah, I think he got down a little bit.

He did.

Phil?

Yeah,

he liked to get wet.

Phil part.

He liked to get wet.

He hurt to get wet.

FaceTime is in this movie, basically.

Giant, giant, awesome clear TVs.

They saw that coming.

I liked how they did the highways, even though I don't know how realistic that is, but the car that leaves your place and bounces in and suddenly you're driving.

And then we talked about earlier, but the targeted virtual sponsors in a mall.

I do feel like that's probably where we're heading.

I mean, we're already seeing that where your phone can hear you talk about something and all of a sudden you're served the Instagram ad.

Yeah.

And also the idea of everything that you do coming with a 15-second ad as like payment for it.

So you think about like when you're signing up for Wi-Fi on a flight, you got to watch the ad for 15 seconds.

The way that the mall looks

in Minority Report is essentially what the international terminal of LAX looks like.

Like when you're sitting there, there's like 15 giant billboards just like you really do feel like your brain is getting melted by advertising in there.

And also in the movie, there's so much much that's automated and stuff.

There's so much,

the future is, it's so regulated for you that in a weird way, the human interaction, the stakes in the film, they're like,

they're raised.

And I feel like that kind of now is like when you are walking through the world and so much of what you're doing is like in this digital world that like when you actually talk to a person, it almost feels like the stakes are higher or like what you're saying is a little bit more important.

Because when he's, cause there are parts in the movie where he, it feels like it's technology against him.

But then when he gets with Agatha, it feels like, okay, there's a person on the other side of it.

Now it's about how her essential human gift, which is like all mystical and ethereal, can help him out of his situation against.

the like technology that he's up against, man-made stuff.

I can't wait to talk to you about Agatha.

Cruise and Spielberg together, zero movies up until this point, started developing this in 97.

Mission Impossible 2 ran over.

AI ran over.

They were basically like the two guys who kept saying they would have dinner together.

And it never happened.

Yeah, no, no, we're going to have dinner.

And then all of a sudden

it happened, but Spielberg was supposed to do Rainman, ended up doing Indy 3 instead.

And then it finally happened.

My favorite indie.

This movie has the following production companies in it.

Dreamworks, Dreamworks, Amplin Entertainment, 20th Century Fox, Cruise Wagner Productions, and Blue Tulip, which is Jan Dubont's company.

Oh, right.

You're big Jan Dubant guy.

Who is it?

But Cruise and Spielberg, they took 15% of the gross to keep the.

This is the Spielberg

self.

He's a big bet on yourself, guy.

They wanted to keep the budget under $100 million.

You know, it's interesting.

I actually learned about that entire method of getting paid through the career of Tom Cruise.

Yeah.

Because someone will go, yeah, Tom Cruise made $100 million for War of the Worlds.

I'd be like, how is that possible?

And then that's when you understand the breakdown of his production company and how you can make it and splits and backing and all of that stuff.

I had no clue about any of that stuff until he kind of mainlined it.

And this is kind of, I mean, for what it's worth, I mean, part of the reason why film budgets now seem so out of whack is people get a lot of their money up front now.

Right.

Yeah.

Because there's a little bit less dependability.

Because the studio has figured out ways to cheat people out of some of these points.

So this movie costs 100 million, makes 400 million or whatever.

And they're like, it only made 5 million.

Right.

Because we had to spend this much on this.

Cruz's director list.

This was Pete Cruz.

So I'm going to do tears.

This is just everybody he works with from Tony Scott on.

And

well, we'll go like past cocktail.

Scorsese, Spielberg, Kubrick, DePalma, Sidney Pollock, Barry Levinson, Ron Howard, Oliver Stone, Tony Scott, Rob Reiner, PTA, Neil Jordan, Cameron Crowe, and John Wu.

And then his next four after this movie were Michael Mann, Edzwick, Spielberg, and Abrams.

Tom Cruise laying down the blueprint.

And now Leo followed it.

And then Chalamet is like, that's what I'm going to do too.

And that's the move.

I feel like CR would whore himself out a couple times.

This is how you run your acting career.

If you're lucky enough to be like, if you just say, I trust the best directors working right now, like you will probably

get well, yeah.

I mean, if you get to the position that he got to, you could, you can, yeah, yeah, but like I'm saying, like, he could, and he kind of spends the most recent act of his career working mostly with Macquarie and mostly on big blockbusters, right?

Yeah, yeah, he's going to do it in a retu movie next after Mission Impossible.

That would be like his return to like film film or whatever, but

his run here is inspirational, I think, for anybody who ever achieves like

any notable amount of success and has the opportunity to do it.

Coming off Eyes Wide Shut, Mission 2, and Vanilla Sky.

The next three after this, Last Samurai, Carradoro.

Carrado.

Oprah's Couch.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

War of the World.

Directed to Oprah's Couch.

Well, I'm just saying, this is the timeframe we're moving into.

He's broken up with the Cole Kidman.

Cruz is just about to get his weird on.

We don't know this yet in minority report.

Is this the official end of Tom Cruise's prime right here?

2002.

Yeah,

he's bringing still no baggage, really, whatsoever into

the report.

Not only no baggage.

I think we've talked about it before.

There's an interview with him and Sway.

I know I've brought this up on this podcast before, where Sway actually looks at Tom Cruise and goes, you know what?

For all of your stardom, you're just one of the celebrities that just seems like they get it.

You just get it.

Like you were this

Herculean every what year is this this is maybe like this might be missing missing impossible uh two promo run right here because it's mtv um and he's talking to him and tom cruise is just not just the biggest movie star in the world but he's like america's nice guy and there's no edge there's no of course there are rumors about his personal life but all of that stuff doesn't really matter that much we don't really have an understanding of scientology as an actual thing we don't like know what it is and then boom like four or five years later, there's like this Anakin Skywalker turn where he's berating Matt Lauer in the morning on the morning show.

He's jumping on a topic.

What year was that?

It was right up mid-2000s.

Yeah.

Because I was going to say that for me, the probably the real drop-off, even though Mission Impossible 3, I actually love, but is probably

Hoffman, right?

Yeah, that's Hoffman.

That's a great one.

I like that one, too.

And he makes

Topic Thunder cameo.

But that's 08.

That's 08.

But

the hardest drop-off for me is Night and Day because Night and Day is a movie he tried to sell really hard, like as if it was going to be this giant blockbuster.

And I think it was a disappointment.

And then after that, it's like Ghost Protocol, Rock of Ages, Jack Reacher, Oblivion.

It starts to be.

And he's basically only Mission Impossible is how we want to consume Tom Cruise.

With the exception of maybe Edge of Tomorrow.

But see, even Edge of Tomorrow is very telling about his career because Edge of Tomorrow is, to me,

it's the worst.

A rapper gets to a certain point to where, like, you come along, you're building your career as a rapper, and then for whatever reason, hip-hop just goes, We're finished with you, we don't like you anymore.

And it doesn't matter how dope the music that you put out is, like, we just moved on to new rappers.

And so, they're guys, and you'll be trying to tell people, Hey, man, I don't know if you know so-and-so just dropped a crazy album, they just don't care anymore, right?

And so, when Edge of Tomorrow came out, that wasn't like Oblivion or some of those other movies that were up or down.

Like, I enjoy Jack Reacher, but you know, you could take it or leave it.

Edge of Tomorrow is legitimately

awesome, like, fantastic sci-fi.

I also like Jack Reacher.

I like Jack Reacher, but it kind of lands with a little bit of a thud, and that's when you go Tom's in Trouble.

Like, that's when you go, like, he actually made a good album, and nobody cares.

They almost had a word of mouth run because people are like, no, no, the Edge of Tomorrow, it's like, no, it's really good.

That whole thing was like, what's the movie called?

Like, is it called Live?

Die Repeat?

Yeah, or is it called Edge of Tomorrow?

And, like, I think

it was a little bit ahead of its time in popularizing some of the things.

Have you guys watched the Oprah's couch clip?

I have many times.

Recently?

I haven't, but I watched the thing we based, remember we did Claytheism

at the Ringer in like early days?

And that was based on him in the turtleneck talking about Scientology.

The Oprah's couch thing,

right?

It became...

kind of like a go-to joke and we all knew what it meant.

But I don't know how many times people have actually gone back and watched how fucking insane it is.

It's the, and it's just this audience of crazy Oprah lady fans just losing their shit every time he gets excited that he's finally in love.

And Oprah's like, I've never seen you like this.

And he, and Cruz is like, I know, I know.

And then he just starts jumping up and down.

And it's like, what is happening?

It is way crazier than I think it gets credit for.

And it's one of the craziest celebrity moments ever.

But there's a crazy trifecta.

there's that there's him being

just

he is

furious at matt lower yeah yeah he's really angry and then there's the other thing where he's whatever the video from scientology leaks and he's talking he's like

yeah have you ever met an essay before

i'm like oh

tom cruise yeah is goddamn emperor palpatine What the fuck is going on?

And then I love the guy, but he's fucking batshit.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

17 rewatchable movies.

He's a maniac.

He's really like, I don't know.

Okay.

So this is a dark time in Tom.

I don't know, want to get into the, but he really has

taken all of that goodwill back, in my opinion.

I agree.

Top gun Maverick, he's taken all of that goodwill.

Yeah.

Listen, we love Tom Cruise, but yeah, there's been some moments where you're like, oh, yeah, okay.

It's like if you're at like a holiday dinner and you have that one uncle who's, it seems like it's going great.

And then they just say something absolutely insane after two glasses of wine.

You're like, oh.

I was thinking about this the other day about how he kind of inverted the way actors typically would progress throughout their career.

He does all this great stuff with great directors when he's younger.

Yeah.

Then he hits a certain point and he's like, I'm just going to make action movies and I'm just going to throw myself off of stuff.

Even though he's getting increasingly older and probably that's more and more dangerous every time he tries that stuff this is probably the perfect mix of acting tom cruise in an interesting speculative piece of sci-fi drama conspiracy thriller and running tom cruise because he basically runs for this entire movie because everybody runs but i love that like It's this weird thing where you'd expect, oh, as you get older, you're going to settle into being like, I'm Paul Newman now.

I'm going to play a guy who's having a midlife crisis.

Well, we always talk about this.

Cruise never had the verdict.

Yeah.

He just never did it.

Also,

we got to a point with Tom to where we just appreciated what he was willing to do to entertain us.

He's willing to live this mysterious, almost monastic lifestyle.

He's willing to get on the plane.

If you, look,

you got on the couch.

That's one thing.

But if you're willing to get on the side of the plane, if you're willing to jump off of, you just, I'm going to be like, yeah, I'm fucking with this guy.

You know what I'm saying?

If you're willing to get, I'm watching it.

I'm like, yo, is this motherfucker on the side of the plane?

Is he actually on the plane?

And I think it was those things that kind of like,

in an era where it seems like people sometimes force me to shit, it just seems like he still gives a shit about making good movies.

Let's take a break and then we'll hit the rest of this and get to the categories.

Supporting cast in this movie, including a very young, our guy, Colin Farrell.

Sierra and I did a

pod with him.

What was that, that, 2018?

Yeah.

In person.

This is right when he was being paraded around like this is the guy.

You know, it was after in 02.

Tyrayo.

This could be a next guy guy.

Yeah.

It's his Russell Crowe mid-90s kind of moment where it's like, you might be hearing from this guy in a real way now.

I put it as his Jude Law Gattaker role.

Jude Law.

Yeah, exactly.

To where it's like, hey, Ethan Hawks deleted this, but there's this new guy, Jude Law, and we're going to give him time to cook a little bit because he's going to be on

the the top of the like billy jacoby and just one of the guys same thing

it's like this is a joyce heiser movie but but this is really watch out for

watching just one of the guys guy just one of the guys the little brother the comedic genius yeah billy jacoby but

as i'm distracted by just one of the guys yeah okay because i just finally i just

i think about the the final scene yeah i think about the reveal very getting distracted when we talk about the pre-cogs later the reveal samantha morton as a pre-cog Yeah.

Max von Saido.

Your guy, Max von Saito.

Yeah.

The evil Nazi from Victory.

We lost Van.

Catherine Walker.

Because you weren't expecting it because.

Are you talking about just one of the guys?

Okay.

You weren't expecting it because when she does it, you're like, oh, and it's a PG movie.

And it's like, not only is she a girl, but she is a fucking woman.

Wow.

And you're making CR uncomfortable.

I'm all good.

You're back.

Catherine Walker, Big Mum Fur.

Neil McGunner from Dorchester Mass.

That's right.

Better than that guy.

Great guy.

Working man.

A working man.

Throw a cowboy hat on him and put him in anything you want.

And he's ready to go.

Walking tall.

Incredible career.

That guy in Yellowstone.

Yeah.

Like, just a working man.

Yeah.

Love that guy.

Music by John Williams, cinematography by Janusz Kaminsky.

Written by Scott Frank.

Yep.

Spielberg.

Only nominated for

an Oscar for sound editing.

And I really want to litigate this.

Okay.

Best picture that year.

Chicago wins.

Gangs of New York, The Hours.

Lord of the Rings, Two Towers, The Penist.

Director, Polanski wins.

Rob Marshall.

Yeah.

Controversy.

Rob Marshall for Chicago.

Scores Aze.

Stephen Daudry for The Hours.

Pedro Amadavar.

Amadavar?

Almativar.

Whatever.

Talk to her.

Spielberg just shut out.

Yeah.

I mean, in a really weird way, when, and this almost feels like a little, like, people are like, all right, Steve, enough.

He had his, the, the Schindler's Private Ryan run, maybe, like, where everybody's just like, you're good now.

I don't know how this was.

I don't know.

I mean, like, when you watch this movie and you watch Chicago, uh, which I have not watched.

I watched this movie versus Lord of the Rings.

Like, really?

All right.

You're going to get Jesus Christ.

Fucking guys in your mentions right now.

Look at the hobbits coming at you.

Yeah.

What are are you doing?

Lord of the Rings is a.

You're talking about the Two Towers?

He is.

I'm not even a huge Lord of Rings.

Versus Minority Report.

First of all, have you seen Lord of the Rings, the Two Towers?

So get on the one with the Twitch.

Sean Aston in it.

He is.

You haven't even seen it.

The Hours.

The Hours is good.

The Hours is a good movie.

Yeah.

I think what hurts it, though, is we don't have the nine movie categories at this point.

It's a nine movie category.

It makes it.

Director, we could argue about it.

Also, Spielberg has LeBron James syndrome.

you could basically give him a best directing nod for almost every film that he directs yeah so it's probably he's probably competing against himself didn't realize rich paul was here well um gosh jesus don't you know now you're gonna tell us that chris bosch wasn't part of the big three sean aston sean aston had no role in getting the ring to mordor it wasn't a big three chris bosch Chris Bosch was a benchmark by then the Michael Jordan syndrome.

He's directing against himself.

And if he is directing against himself, Minority Report is not going to be a movie that you're going to be be like, oh my God, he has to get nominated.

I can never tell if Rick really likes being on McAfee.

I don't know, man.

Do you want to skip this topic?

Let's move on.

$102 million budget.

It made $354 million.

Yeah.

Roger Ebert.

What do you think, fan?

How many stars?

So he's going to give you three stars.

I think three and a half.

Four and a half stars.

Four stars.

Four stars.

I can see him loving this.

I'm just going to read this because it's really good.

American movies are in the midst of a transition period.

He's right.

Spielberg, who is a master of technology, trusts only story and character and then uses everything else as a workman uses his tools.

He makes Minority Report with the new technology.

Other directors seem to be trying to make their movies from it.

The film is such a virtuoso high wire act, daring so much, achieving it with such grace and skill.

Minority Report reminds us why we go to the movies in the first place.

Raj is like fucking.

That's like a four and a half stars.

It's like a Dave Meltzer five-star match.

All right, we're in the categories.

Most rewatchable scene, Howard Marks is about to kill his wife.

Yeah, I just, let's just say up front, there are great scenes in this movie, but this is a great sequence movie.

Oh, yeah.

Where it'll be like one scene bleeds into the next, you know what I mean?

Chase into a chase.

Yeah.

It's difficult to say like whether or not it's.

Are there three scenes in the Howard Marks thing?

Or the surgery scene and then the scene after that?

The spiders, and then the Howard Marks' red ball.

Yeah.

So we learn that the red ball killings still occur.

It's like they don't spend 10 minutes explaining it.

They're just like, oh, this is a red ball.

It's like, what's a red ball?

And you just kind of get sucked in.

Right.

And the idea is basically that premeditated murder is almost extinct because people know they will be caught.

Yeah.

One of the cool things about this movie is this is a pretty far-fetched, crazy premise, and you get it within 10 minutes.

Yeah.

It's like, we're trying to stop all.

This is the pre-crime division.

We're trying to prevent all crime.

We have these three fucking bald women in the water who can see stuff ahead of time.

And if they tell us, they'll send a red ball and we got to stop it before it happens.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And boom.

I get it.

And like the passion of the crime and the humanity of it matter, right?

Because they can't, there are a couple of crimes that they can't stop.

Yeah.

But murder is, it, it triggers the pre-cogs.

And then I like the merry-go-round thing where Cruz is like

with his hands moving.

Yeah.

And then figures out that it's a merry-go-round.

Good scene all around next one Cruz figures out the Leo Crow murder and sees himself

A very cool scene.

That is

just a brilliant scene.

He's got the people up there.

He's got his guy behind him.

He has to steal the ball and he's figuring out for himself the shock of it.

This is why I always say that, and people are going to say, Tom Cruise is actually underrated as an actor to me.

I totally agree.

He's because when you see everything that's going on, he's doing so many different things emotionally.

And the audience is basically reading it from his face.

And it's fantastic.

You're talking to a guy who thinks he should have been nominated for cocktails.

So, for cocktail, yeah, he's amazing.

This is uh, remember when we were doing Wick and we talked about the moment Wick goes up to the nightclub bouncer, yeah, that until he falls off the balcony in the nightclub and it's like 11 minutes or something like that.

I'm like, that's like the best 11 minutes of action movies.

The moment from when Wally says,

I like you, Chief.

That's why I'll give you two minutes before I hit the alarm.

That's the 40th minute to where Anderton pulls out in the new car is 55 minutes.

It's a 15 minute run.

Wow.

And it is fucking pure.

I have two.

Yeah, I have almost two scenes in there.

I feel like Jack Sanders would give me two minutes to get out of here.

Oh, yeah.

I think so.

Jack, I feel like you give me the two minutes.

Wait a minute.

Did you just make Jack the weird fucking temple pre-con

kissing the unconscious woman guy?

Jack, bruh, stand the fuck up by yourself right now.

It was a compliment.

I just think Jack would do that.

I like your chief.

I'm going to give you two minutes before I call Spotify security.

I wouldn't be.

Dan's telling me right away.

It's like, here he is, get him.

Actually, y'all don't even know me because I'd be like, I'd help you escape.

Yeah, that is true.

I'd help you get out of here.

Jack can't talk.

He's in a pool of milk.

Jack, he made you.

He just, that's how people get

weird, kissing

the guy.

That's bullshit.

You stop.

Um, the elevator ride with Colin Farrell is good in that scene.

Great scene.

We get a 2054 car chase.

We get Max Fon Saido.

Now that you've seen this movie a bunch of times, see down, yeah.

Just for all my Max guys out there, you know, I just didn't want you to.

I never knew that.

Yeah, Max Von C.

Dow.

I thought it was, yeah.

I defer to you, Bob.

I never knew that.

As Dr.

Charles Nichols, would you realize this as you're watching this?

Yeah.

I mean, if you, if you know who Richard,

where are you?

I love that guy in those movies.

This has two.

This has the I like you, chief guy.

I love when that guy's in any movie where it's guys like, I could probably, but just go and then I'll do it.

And then the Charles Nichols and then Cruise jumping on the Jetson scars is phenomenal.

And then, which leads to the next scene, I just wrote down, Cruise gets away from eight guys.

Cruise runs,

Pete Cruz running

fire escape jetpack fight yep

cruise jumps 50 stories possible nitpick because he's climbing a fire escape for like what

nine stories but then falls 50 stories oh just i it's go ahead it's noted um

i love when the jump like the skydiver move where you you don't have a pack but you jump on the other skydiver so they have that i really like when somebody crashes through an apartment but they show the people in the apartment not doing anything.

Like, I'm just on my computer.

And then Tom Cruise falls through.

More Cruise running.

Crane fight with Colin Farrell.

Uh-huh.

I love that.

Colin Farrell.

WW, Hell in the Cell, 1997 Crane Fight.

Kisses his chain, and you know, that's his little

gets a little fucking Irish on him.

And then

it ends with Cruise being embedded in a Tesla.

Yeah.

What a sequence.

15 minutes.

15 minutes.

And also, so cool that Spielberg is like, I'm going to do the jetpack fight the jetpack chase and then you're like you're catching your breath and he's like not over yet

we're going into a car factory and we're gonna throw cranes at this guy

and every part of it has its the little futurist elements the little uh stun gun where you whip that

around and then you shoot it again then they're fighting then

another futurist element, a totally automated car factory that no human workers in it.

People are fighting.

Nobody is stopping to go, hey, stop fighting.

Go get the super.

Right.

Well, get the conforming.

Like the car gets built around him and then he drives around it.

A completely consistent movie the entire way.

And it's such a great image because he's being like hemmed in by all this technology anyway.

So he's being like imprisoned in the automation of all this stuff.

And you get your product placement in there.

Yeah.

Lexus.

Lexus.

Short scene, but the crew's flashback to when he loses his kid is good with the breath holding and the foreshadowing.

Next one I have is Blind Cruise moves through the decrepit apartment building as the the ID spiders come after him.

Be quiet and close the door.

It's not him.

Standing down.

Let's see.

Absolutely.

Spielberg in his bag.

The overhead shot of all the little rooms, the people having sex, people fighting, but stopping for just one second so that the spiders can scan their retinas.

Unbelievable.

You can see when other people have jacked Steven Spielberg, right?

Yeah.

Because he, that's the first time I had seen that.

I'm sure someone had did it before.

But then I think immediately, well, that's John Wick 4 and the, you know, when you're, when he's got the, the, the, the dragon's breath shotgun and he's doing the whole deal.

It's fantastic.

And that's also one of the, to me, scenes in the movie that's the most heavily influenced by The Matrix.

Just those little spider guys coming up.

That's another influence.

Yeah.

I have two things off this scene.

Spielberg was going to create the air bubbles rising with CGI,

and Tom Cruise said, Steve, I got you.

Give me some time to figure out how to do this myself.

Which leads us to a brand new award on the rewatchables.

The Tom Cruise learned how to do it himself award,

which goes to Tom Cruise.

Steve, just give me two weeks to figure out this air bubble thing.

This is the reverse of the.

There's no bigger maniac who's not in prison than Tom Cruise.

Like, just think of him in bodies of water with like spotters, like, and then popping up and going, how many with the air bubble?

Well, that's the, isn't that the Matt Damon joke?

Or who told that story where it's like, I think it's Matt Damon, where he's like, Tom Cruise is like planning the stunt for like eight years, and the safety guy is like, you can't do it.

We can't assure this.

So I got a new safety guy.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Remember, like, the video, the audio that came out when tom cruise was explaining to the people on set how important what it is that he was doing is like remember that yeah was that like on the set of like the mummy or something no it wasn't from the mummy it was i think it was either from it was recent it was like it was during covet he was killing everybody yeah i think it was mission yeah it was one of the missions and he was like we're trying to save movies here yeah and people thought that that was going to be a clip that made people like not like Tom people were like yeah people were like yeah fuck yeah the best was when he broke his ankle jumping and then just kept running because he didn't want them to lose the scene.

His fucking ankle was snapped.

Like, he was, it was that guy, Kevin Ware, the Louisville guy.

Yeah, and he's just like, Let me, let me fucking drag my leg because I don't want to lose this shot.

Like, Cruz is nuts.

He is, he's, he's, there's nobody like him, so that's one.

And then the other one,

top four blind guy scene of all time.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's everything.

I have a real like phobia ick about eye stuff just because, like,

and

I so I have two nominees and I don't know what the third one is the blood sport fight with Von Dam

when he when

Chong Ling

that one

Scent of a Woman Dancing yeah

that one and there's probably one more so this is three.

I don't know what the fourth member of Mount Rushmore is for Blind Guy.

Let us know in the comments what Blind Mount Rushmore is.

Craig, do you have any Blind Guy thoughts?

No, I wasn't prepared for Blind Guy thought.

Blind Mount Rushmore.

We're still one short.

If anyone has any nominations, comment below.

We have comments on Spotify now.

Oh, good.

Comments.

Great.

Next one I have is Cruz takes the precog to Duizel Zappa's Club.

Yeah.

I think I saw Van in one of the rooms.

I rewound it.

That's so funny.

I thought I saw you in there.

What would you be doing if you could do anything in one of those clubs?

You know, virtual what?

I would be like virtual.

I know everyone wants to zero.

Van's gonna be having a virtual orgy or something like that, but that's not what it would be.

I would be,

everybody thinks that I would be virtual LSU quarterback.

Yeah, is that that's what I would be.

Oh, that's virtual LSU quarterback.

All right, guys, we're gonna go Y dig,

X go, Z.

No, this is O2.

You're just handing it off, man.

You doesn't spread off it's yet.

Yeah, that is true.

Way more physical game back then.

I would do a virtual hunt for an October rewatchables because I can't do that in real life.

Oh, it's on the list.

Oh.

I really like Duizel Zappa's Club, but I like futuristic.

Total Recall has this too, where it's like the one place that can get super fun in a sci-fi thing where it's like, oh, there's going to be a nightclub or like an orgy place, and they'll just, it's nuts.

All right, two more.

cruise has to kill leo crow

you still have a choice

mike bender yeah mike binder

mike binder yeah or binder yeah i'm not sure i think it's i think it's binder the um i'm certain it's max vonceto but i do not know about mike bender he's the mind of a married man guy yeah yeah

not a good show um

just not good

not a good not one of hbo's best efforts but he's also he's a writer director did he direct indian summer oh no, I love that movie.

The one he did that was interesting was that one with Costner and Joan Allen.

I thought that was pretty good.

Is that Costner and Joan Allen?

Whatever that movie was, when Joan Allen's a divorced lady with kids and falls for Kevin Costner.

It's sod.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

What movie is that?

Listen, I'm sorry I'm a Costner fan.

Oh, there you go.

Sorry, I'm a fan of one of the great actors of the last 40 years.

I fuck with him too.

I'm going to give a borderline.

Maybe could have toned back Agatha a tiny bit in this scene.

And Leo Crow?

yeah.

In the movie theater, I remember seeing this in the theater, and my big nitpick was like, Agatha's just a bad hang.

Well, she's a psychic who's been living in a pool of milk, yeah.

So, I get it, yeah, I think she's got some big emotions, you know, right.

She can't walk because I get it.

I've just

found her disturbing, yeah, right.

I think that was kind of the point, but I get it, but that is kind of not a fun hang, that is kind of one of Agatha, bad hang, that is kind of tough tinder swipe.

You know, that you would immediately take Agatha to the sports book and just be like, well, I have you here.

She's yours.

Do you think Nomar gets more than two hits tonight?

Yeah.

What do you know about hockey?

Kings Oilers?

Anyone?

Last one.

Lamar Burgess gets caught.

This is basically the fugitive.

I don't know why we ran back the fugitive, but we're doing all the same beats.

We have the, there's a banquet.

He's being celebrated.

He gets found out by our hero who's the fugitive.

And uh,

I wrote down, is there a better time to spring the I Know You Did It move than when somebody's being honored at a banquet and there's just people in tuxedos?

That's probably the number one spot, right?

Yeah, or else would you do it?

I mean, they can't do anything.

So, you're most re-watchable is that 15-minute stretch?

Yes, but can I throw two more in there just because uh, I have some Dion Waiters nominees later, and I would be remiss if I didn't highlight their scenes.

I love the greenhouse, it's such a crazy gear shift, And that's freaks me out, but I'll allow her improvising on set, kissing him, and that's Tom Cruise's real reaction because she didn't say, I'm going to kiss you on the lips here.

Yeah.

Great.

And also just explains everything that's going on in the movie.

And then

just the Peter Stormar eye surgeon,

you know, disgraced plastic surgeon who's like, remember me?

you know, you put me away.

And Miss Van Eck, you know, the Russian or the Swedish nurse that he has, just really creepy and pure Philip K.

Dick.

I have the only one that did you it's not mentioned is the first meetup between Colin Farrell and Tom Cruise.

Oh, yeah, the feel out.

Yeah, the feelout where he rolls the ball and goes, Hey, you caught that, where

they're two differing perspectives on pre-crime or clashing.

Like, that's one of the best scenes in the movie.

It's a good pew-pew moment for you.

Good pew pew momentum.

Pew pew in there.

What the hell?

What do you mean by that?

No, just like the way you went big picture for us.

You pew pew'd us.

I have the 15-minute stretch as well.

Yeah.

But that's about as good as it gets, man.

I got to say,

the ID spiders are fucking incredible.

And the way they shoot, and where you can see all these different kind of CD apartments and rooms.

And then how he tries to beat the spiders.

He's afraid to go blind.

Do you think he's going to beat them?

And then he doesn't beat them.

Says everything about the way the society is structured in that world where like all these people living in this tenement are like, this is just a fact of life that I have to allow this fucking robotic spider to scam my retina while I'm in the middle of fighting with my wife.

See?

No banners, but you get to, they get to see.

You get your seat and then those robotic spiders crawl out.

But to that point, though, Dave traded that.

in order to have a society with no murders.

So it's like even litigating what that is.

Craig, what do you you have for most rewatchable scene i agree with cr i think that that action sequence in that like factory is the most entertaining part of the movie to me okay

what's the most 2002 thing about this movie still normal tom cruise

no social media in the 50-year future of things

yeah social media is not in this movie They didn't realize what was about to happen.

I mean, it's

yeah, also like the idea that it's like

that the person is reading USA Today rather than like, you know, I have a cutting-edge virtual USA Today in 2002 made sense.

I got one too.

Young mustache Colin Farrell was the other one I had.

What do you have?

Physical media.

His memories of his son aren't streaming.

He has to get little discs out and put them in there.

It's one of the things they got wrong.

One last one, which I think is the winner.

The TV show Cops being integrated in a 2054 movie scene.

Cops is long gone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It made sense in 02, though.

I would just say probably the introduction/slash warnings of government surveillance and overreach coming out of 9-11, which is like he's, you know, I don't remember when the Patriot Act is exactly passed, but like this is right around when it's like, are we sure we want to have like unconditional surveillance powers?

Like, what a spikey bag speaks of that.

Yeah.

Right.

The okay motherfucker award for the the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch.

Cruise gets grabbed by the precog.

Or would you go...

Oh, I go him and Neil McDonough and him be like, everybody runs.

And then Steven Spielberg stages an actual jetpack fight.

Yeah.

Have you ever seen the behind the scenes for that scene?

No.

It's fucking mind-blowing.

First of all, like the...

It's on wires, but it's all happening practically on a set.

And Spielberg is basically like,

it's like he's culturing.

He's like, we're going to do this and then I'm going to come here.

Tom, I need you for two seconds to say this.

Cut.

Okay, moving on.

And he's just like breaking down.

It's one of the coolest like behind the scenes five-minute videos you can see because it's just like Spielberg with like basically no storyboard being like, this, okay, cut.

Now I want you to do this.

Tom, one more time.

Thank you.

Awesome.

And it's like, he just pieces this thing together in his head.

It's amazing.

You think Spielberg's a genius?

What?

Yeah.

Like a real genius.

No, no, I think to be able to see story and execute it to that level.

I think he's an actual genius.

Yeah, I agree.

Because I think the word genius gets thrown around a lot.

Okay.

This would be a good podcast where we just decide if somebody is a genius or not each episode.

I think to me, it's no-brainer.

Maybe it'd be a two-minute podcast.

Well, no, I mean, I think that,

well, I guess the question would be.

Are they a genius?

No, I mean, actually, the question would be not who is a genius, but it would be who isn't one.

Because of all those high-level directors,

some of them are probably just great workmen and understand film, but then some of them are able to do things and translate story and emotion in a way that is just innate in a way.

They just understand what people need to see and need to hear.

It's almost like the fantasy brain in your head,

you can see it and translate it as a director.

And only, I think, a few people can actually do that, where they can just be like, I see this room and I storyboarded this before, and the curtains get, and they just like, they're in some fucking alternate universe as they're in the real universe.

Um, I have three Tom Cruise awards in a row for you.

Oh, the Tom Cruise Award for most awkward moment when someone kisses Tom Cruise.

That goes to Dr.

Iris kissing Tom Cruise.

Yeah, the Tom Cruise Running Award for best running in a movie.

I think it's Tom Cruise, but I thought Farrell had a nice little moment there with the skid.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

Do you want to

run off?

It was pretty good.

Tom gets it going and comes around the corner.

In a movie when Tom starts running, you go, man, Tom is the best running guy in a movie that we've seen.

But then Pharaoh comes right around and you go, Pharaoh, you run as well.

He's a good athlete.

And then he did Miami Vice, and he probably hasn't run since then.

The only Tom Cruise would do this award

could be telling Spielberg he's got the little drops of oxygen, shaving his head at the end for, I don't really feel like

they could have said because they put him in the prison thing and they have to put the halo on on his head, but they could have bald capped him.

She's like, no, actually shave it.

And then Cruz's eyes actually being held back by those metal sticks, which seemed real.

I think that's the winner.

Just thank God he isn't like, I want to replace my own eyeballs.

Yeah.

He probably asked.

Yeah.

He's like, what if we actually replace my eyes?

They're like, Tom, Tom.

Steve, I've got a crazy idea.

Crazy idea.

There's these other eyeballs.

What's age the best?

What do you guys see?

All the noir Philip K.

Dick elements.

pkd loves a blind drug dealer he loves

a disgraced plastic surgeon he loves a wheelchair bound prison supervisor like all of these kind of broken damaged people are very big factors in his books and it was cool to see them show up in the movie in some way because spielberg is usually a little bit more shiny happy the moving things thingy like him moving stuff around way better than disclosure okay so

disclosure man yeah

that aged really well.

First of all, like it does it in Iron Man, but then like my Apple Vision Pro, which I'm back on.

Oh.

Oh, you're, you bought the dip?

I'm back on the Apple Vision Pro because

they updated the NBA app on it.

Fucking fantastic.

Okay.

Fantastic.

Back on it.

But, you know, I'm doing that.

I'm moving stuff around and the whole deal, that aged really well.

I had Cruz using his hands to read pre-crime stuff.

Yeah.

But added, you know, know he studied like tai chi or some some sort of something to learn like he definitely had some sort of instruction

for how to make the moves i'm just going to read you what i wrote about agatha

samantha morton as agatha is so creepy and weird it's a great performance and i also kind of hate her in this movie but i think it's a great performance but she's a rough hang performance but a rough hang in this movie she intentionally it has to be that way well yeah i mean she she kind of jerks you out of the kinetic energy of the movie a little bit.

And I mean, she's the victim of the movie.

Yeah.

And so she has to like stop the momentum of everything that's happening and like humanize the movie a little bit.

And I think you probably didn't want that.

You just wanted your popcorn.

It's just, it's, it's tough.

It's tough character.

When we get to casting what ifs, it's an interesting conversation.

So Danny says, how much time do we have after Cruz kidnaps Agatha?

And a pre-crime officer says 51 minutes, 30 seconds.

Steve Spielberg, our guy, that's exactly the amount of time until the end of the movie.

Oh, he goes real time.

He says that.

I said, people doing normal stuff in their room or kitchen when somebody suddenly crashes through it.

And then Tom Cruise says the title in the movie, which you know I love.

I also love Adult Spielberg.

So this is a movie with sex, adultery, drug use, murder.

It's still the Spielberg version of it.

But he's got it.

He's got it.

The guys, Howard Marks's wife in the beginning isn't riding anybody or anything.

But the woman in the tenman is the woman in the apartment building's riding.

I think he has a complicated relationship with this stuff.

With what?

Sex?

Yeah.

You don't think he likes it?

I think it makes him nervous.

Sex makes him nervous?

Yeah.

You talk to him about it?

I'll bring it up if I run into it.

What do you got for Great Shot Gordo?

I got two.

I love the scene when they are in the Leo Crow apartment building lobby and both of their heads are in the frame and they both, you know, they've both like kind of like, it almost looks like Agatha is an extension of his consciousness.

Um, but the best shot is definitely the overhead of all the apartments being invaded by the spiders.

Yeah, that is the best shot of the movie.

There's a shot at the end where the movie reminds you that you're in Washington, D.C.

Uh,

Von Cito.

Von Cedau,

I think.

He's talking to Tom and the Washington monuments in the back, and like, you know where you are.

But then I point out one,

like, this is the kind of stuff that Spielberg does.

I'm going to show this to Chris.

See this?

That's the little bit of extra stuff.

So that's the scene that's in

where they're talking, and Neil McDonough's character,

the camera pants back behind his head, and he like splits them.

And visually, Spielberg just says, these are two guys on

opposite sides.

And he uses a character in the movie to break them apart as they're facing each other.

Little stuff like that that throws you into the film.

There's tons of video essays you can watch on YouTube that are talk about this broadly and then specifically with Minority Report is basically the way Spielberg will do what other people usually do, like multiple camera setups and editing to shoot a conversation, right?

So like if we were three of us talking, there would be a camera, camera, camera,

and then a master shot, and he would cut between those angles.

But what Spielberg can do in in this movie is go into Bill.

Now I'm going to pan back towards the LaCroix can, but then I'm going to whip pan over, and Chris is looking at Van, and I move slowly to Van.

And it's like, there's four shots in one shot.

We have to get like a, what are those called?

Those things you put over the cans?

A beer cozy kind of thing?

Yeah.

We need like a ringer.

Somebody should make us a rewatchables beer cozy.

Okay.

Do you know what I love?

I feel like LaCroix just gets like free advertising every episode.

Let me tell you what I loved.

I do like LaCroix, though.

This is, this is,

I have to name this.

Yeah.

What CR was just saying was this really brilliantly technical.

I had nothing to add.

It was a great point.

Oh, how's Bill Brunch?

It was great.

I had nothing to add.

Bill goes back.

That's cool.

Yeah.

I was just moving on to the next thing.

We call that the Simmons sound.

It's like he acknowledges that you're there, but it's not like, oh, let's get into it.

It's fine.

I think it's great.

Bill Bill goes.

It's hard to host.

Bill goes, you know what we should do?

We should stop doing LaCroix.

Well,

because I was listening to your talk, and I felt like I was filming a LaCroix commercial, and then I got so conscious about it.

Enthralled.

I was enthralled, too.

Oh, God.

Cape County Pursuit Happiness Award?

Best Needle Drop?

Is Moon River in this Moon River?

I didn't hear one from the corner.

I had that theme song from cops.

It is, Chris, or at least I heard that as well.

Yeah.

When he's walking through the mall, it's playing, right?

That's right.

That's right.

Bicahuna Burger Award, Best Use of Food and Drink.

Flying Cruise, eating a bad sandwich and eating gross milk.

Why is that stuff in there with a nice, healthy sandwich?

Because they're fucking with him, right?

I always thought that they were fucking with him.

I think they were fucking with him.

Yeah, it's also like the idea that

he's not the first guy to be in this apartment, blind, waiting for his timer to go off.

So it's like somebody else was in there.

The Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers award for best character name.

Lamar Burgess.

pretty good i have agatha dash and

he's 13th now in todd mcshay's draft

lamar burgess yeah what was the senior year as a receiver yeah okay

what i was asking what position he plays lamar burgess how many weight lamar burgesses would you think would be in the nfl draft that's true nose tackle yeah oh big d tackle from like selma Like he used to weigh 360, but now he's 325.

He's got that shape of his ass.

He's firing.

Let me tell you who I really love that nobody's talking about.

Troy's Lamar Burgess.

This kid's a fucking animal.

Yeah.

Let's take a break, and then we're going to come back with CR's flex categories.

I have some healing to do after CR said, I know, sold this great boy before

Sage stealed them.

All right, CR, what do you got?

Flex category.

I got Teddy KGB award for actor doing his own thing for Peter Stormar, the plastic surgeon.

Our guy.

You know who that is.

Peter Stormar?

From Fargo, from

where else?

8mm.

Oh, 8mm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dino Velvet.

Dino Velvet.

Yeah, yeah.

R.

Guy.

The Russian cosmonaut and Armageddon.

We just really would have Satan.

We may have low-key done like six Peter Stormwire movies by.

Should we do the that guy, like what I did with the Basketball Hall of Fame Pyramid?

Should we just do the that guy Hall of Fame Pyramid with five levels?

Yeah.

Stormwire to me is at least level five.

He might even be level five.

He makes every single movie that he is in better.

You always notice him, but it's never like a huge role.

Yeah.

Well, it's just so fascinating because he gives Tom Cruise anesthetic like as soon as he walks in.

He basically knocks him out.

And then he just like dances around Tom Cruise and chews scenery for five minutes.

I'm like, does anybody ever done this to Tom Cruise before?

Where Tom Cruise has got to be like, oh, like he's in a scene with Joaquin Phoenix and Nick Cage just blowing them off the set.

I love that guy.

Butch's girlfriend, weak link of the film.

I don't really have one.

Do you like Lara?

I thought Lara, I thought it was going to be the Lara, Lara, or Agatha.

Or the Tom Cruise Wave.

Category shouldn't always be like the woman.

The woman, yeah.

It's just the Lara character is not that dynamic.

And then I guess for me, probably the weakest piece of the movie is.

Max just fucking up and saying the girl drowned.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And like he's, this guy is so smart.

He's fucking replacing pre-crime memories and he's just seven steps ahead of everybody.

Recreating murders.

And then all of a sudden he's just like, yeah, the drowned girl.

She's like, what do you mean?

I never said she drowned.

It just feels like a

that's probably my butcher's girlfriend.

What's age the worst?

No cell phones.

Cruise jumping cars on the fake highway is the only part of this movie that doesn't look CGI'd.

But I think if they do it in 25, they just have better technology.

Futuristic misses, those thin glass data slides you mentioned earlier, the physical media,

I don't know.

Feels like easy to shatter, easy to break.

It's a very should they have covers?

That shit would be on the cloud, man.

Yeah.

It's the best part of the movie and it's why people are like, I don't really want to make movies about cloud and iPhones.

Because it's just like, I want to have the thing that we have to roll.

And now we would just have the cloud.

There's a stretch here with the long stretch with Dr.

Iris right into the crazy eye doctor, where nothing's happening for about 25 minutes, and there's such an adrenaline rush before they bring you back down.

It's a little long.

It's

like

I'm going to go get popcorn.

He's going down the hole there.

Talking about when he gets into her and the fucking plants come alive and all of that stuff.

Yeah, well, the plants coming alive, just it seems like a different movie to me.

I think on purpose, though, I think it's supposed to be like you, he's now passed into the realm of like fantasy and mysticism yeah exactly fox did a remake series in 2015 that i forgot about

didn't last

dr iris says the uh precogs abilities are the result of brain damage caused by um parents being addicted to neuron

during pregnancy

Don't do neuron when you're pregnant.

So what's age the worst for me?

Like, care about your kids, even though neuron is not an actual drug.

What do you got for what's age the worst?

I didn't,

I just, I just can't handle eye stuff from Clockworker orange on.

When they started fucking with myself, my number one.

Yeah.

Eating gross shit.

I just can't, when he eats, every time he eats the shit and he drinks it, can't physical media thing.

And

literally the

CGI when they're jumping around, that's like

Star Wars prequel level.

This is fake

type of shit.

Yeah, and that's unfortunately oh2 is right around

we had some stuff figured out but others i mean they're able to do the matrix so like it's like it's pretty good it looked as it looked better than it had ever looked up to that point but the jump between now and then like 2008 when iron man comes fucking sinners with like michael b jordan just playing two parts next to each other for Two and a half hours.

Yeah.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck Partridge over acting word.

I know.

That's an easy one.

What do you got?

Sagatha.

I mean, not over.

I mean, just it's a turning it up to fucking 14.

I don't, I don't mind it as much as you do, but like screaming, yelling.

It's a borderline you could throw her in the category.

Oh,

yeah, Agatha overacting.

Yeah.

When he's about to kill Mike Binder

and they do a couple ISO shots of her just screaming her fucking head off, it's like, okay, let's take, let's cut one back.

Go back, bro.

Wait a second.

Dan, what do you have for a flex category?

Best dick ever.

Okay.

So it's a all mine is always a list, and I want CR,

our resident dick head here, to

what are the best Philip K.

Dick movie adaptations?

Oh.

So I got Minority Report.

I thought that was going to be the AVN award for a a second.

Jesus.

Minority Report, Total Recall, Scanner Darkly, Blade Runner.

And then I put the Adjustment Bureau on there because I love that movie.

Am I leaving anything off?

I don't think so.

There have been some like animated series and series where it's like riffing on themes from his works, but I think those are the big ones.

I would put Blade Runner number one.

Blade Runner number two.

So give me a ranking.

I would go Blade Runner, Total Recall, Mine

probably Blade Runner Minority Report, Total Recall, and then Scanner Darkly, even though Scanner Darkley, in some ways, is the most Philip K.

Dick thing.

Are you an adjustment bureau guy?

I'm not.

You're not.

Are you an adjustment bureau guy?

No.

Interesting.

No, sir.

I think I agree with CR's list, but I think Total Recall is also the one.

If I was trapped on a desert island, that's my head ones.

I'd probably take that one.

Yeah.

To me, that's the best one.

because you get the three boob ladies if you get the total recovery.

I mean, yeah, it's the best.

Oh, no, actually, you know what?

It's not the best one, yeah.

It's just the best, it's the most entertaining re-watchable of all.

But Blade Runner is the best one, Blade Runner is the best one, yeah.

It's like how Raging Bull is awesome, but you wouldn't want to watch Raging Bull, yeah, you'd rather watch like Rocky or something, but yeah.

Do you know that in like 2006,

somebody made a Jake LaMotta movie because it was on cable?

Are you serious?

I've never heard of this movie.

And it was like Jake LaMotta.

And it was like something.

I forget who the actor was.

Can you imagine being like,

you know what?

We might be,

it might be time to re-explore Jake LaMotta.

The ball's on that fucking guy.

Hey, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

Hottest take a word.

Ben, do you have one?

I do not.

I have one.

I'll do one for you.

Yeah.

Precogs.

The greatest professional sports gambling weapon ever created in a movie, hands down.

Yeah.

There's a whole subplot movie with precogs like just basically making all these money for gamblers and then being on the run.

If you're John Anderton, just make the run to Vegas with Agatha while you can't.

It's closer to Atlantic City, yeah.

The guy has

access to the pre-cogs.

And look, the villain here is a villain.

He killed someone, but he also kind of,

I mean, he's...

He's kind of got some points, right?

He tries to stop murder.

I wouldn't have tried to stop murder if I had the precogs.

Use them financially.

We're running it up.

Yeah.

We playing the market.

We're doing all kinds of stuff.

We're doing all kinds of stuff.

We're running it up.

He did something for the public good.

That's true.

In a bad way.

Pre-COG has Oilers.

Game Two.

Goal and a half.

Put Agatha.

Put a nice visor on.

I love taking the idea of like this person is telepathic.

It is just like bathtub.

Yeah.

Connor McDavid, two goals.

All right.

Do you have a how to stick your name?

Yeah.

So this one is from the perspective of Howard Marks.

Let's say you're Howard, right?

Yeah.

Aren't you like,

why don't we just stop my wife from cheating?

Why don't we, like, why don't, like, if we, if you can see the whole crime, wouldn't it be better if Anderton came by and was just like, don't cheat on Howard.

He's going to flip out if you do that.

Just go through further back.

Yeah.

Or just like, why is the precog only paying attention to the end result like murder and and not the pre-triggering event?

Right?

Because if you're Howard, you're like, I never would have considered killing my wife unless she cheated on me.

So if you could just go back in time, couldn't somebody be like, hey, we got to yank this guy who's like going to cheat on

really kind of fucks over Howard a little bit.

Well, I mean, I understand that the ultimate crime is murder, right?

Like that people are going to cheat on each other.

People are going to have feelings for one another.

But it is kind of like for that kind of crime of passion, it seems like if she hasn't cheated he's like oh i thought maybe we could go to lunch together so you don't stop rich paul from saying that chris bosch wasn't really a big three you go back further yes and stop lebron james from hiring

that's your move

then we don't have the chris bosch thing anyway but yeah exactly okay i got you casting what ifs

This was optioned in 1992 is the sequel to Total Recall with Schwarzenegger.

And Carol Co.

Productions, which we've talked about, Carol Call Pictures, which we've talked about on a couple of Kyle Brandt rewatchables,

filed for bankruptcy.

And there's a documentary about this whole thing.

So it got worked into a different thing.

Jan Dubont came in 97.

And then

that didn't work out.

And then the biggest casting would have for this was Spielberg comes on, offers the role, the Colin Farrell role to Matt Damon,

offers Dr.

Iris to Beryl Streep,

offers Lamar Burgess, 320-pound nose tackle, to Ian McKellen, offers Agatha to Kate Blanchette,

and offers Lara to Jenna Elfman.

And Streep declines, Damon's doing Oceans 11,

everybody else

in the two towers.

Yeah, Javier Bardem

then offered the Whitworld role, the Confire role.

He can't do it either.

Do you see why he turned it down?

No.

He said he didn't feel like chasing Tom Cruise around for an entire movie.

That's funny.

Wow.

Yeah.

And now he's going to be chasing Brad Pitt around in f1

saw that trailer yesterday yeah i'm in you're way up on it you like i'm in it's days of thunder with f1 cars i'm in i can't tell what it's really about

i'm still gonna go it's about an older racer and a younger racer it's just it looks cool they've never tried that it looks cool but it i i still haven't seen the thing that makes me go oh jesus christ i gotta see f1 best that guy award obviously it's gonna be dino velvet from eight millimeter unless you think peter stormore is his own guy's storm i think he's peter stormer not only is he he his own guy, he's in the Deion category.

I had Patrick Kilpatrick, who is the guy standing next to Sean McDonough, or Steve Harris, but I don't know if Steve Harris maybe in movies.

Yeah, movies, he might be.

Yeah, I had Steve Harris.

You know who I have?

Aerie Gross is Eric Gross.

But I think he's Aerie Gross.

He's Ary Gross to me.

He's Perfect Strangers.

Yeah.

Perfect Strangers, star of one of my favorite movies, The Experts.

Oh, John Travolta and Kelly Preston?

Fake John Travolta, Kelly Preston.

Like, I'm telling you, you guys go watch The experts.

The fake town in Russia that doesn't

vote for Steve Harris.

He's the black guy who works for Cruz for people who are saying Wood Harris's brother.

Really?

Yeah.

Why wasn't he in the wire?

That's what

he couldn't have been like.

I don't know that there's a

cast.

It could have been like Don Barksdale, like his brother that comes in for one episode.

Don Barksdale.

That's Wood Harris's brother.

Yeah.

Deion Waiters.

We have our guy, Peter Stormer.

With Duizel Zappa?

Yeah.

Tim Blake Nelson.

Dr.

Iris?

I would say Lois,

Dr.

Iris, and also Tim Blake Nelson as Gideon.

The century, yeah.

I would go Dweezel.

Oh, I'm going to go.

I'm doing a lot in four minutes.

I'm going Stormer.

Yeah, it's an easy one right there.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Stormer.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

Recasting Couch Director City, what do you got?

I think DC is a cool place to put this.

I think it's like

it's consistent.

Yeah.

Southie,

minority report and southie i'm i'm so close i wanted to i'm not

i'm gonna let you slide don't do it i'm not gonna bring it up i like it in dc it feels like all the presidents man in new orleans if the movie's called minority report and it's in boston it would be a different movie new orleans new orleans would be good

philly you could do it in philly running by the liberty bell you know no is this is this a miami movie oh

i think you need a dense it's it's miami's too happy i like the idea of like an old city that has been redone in the futuristic.

I think the other place I was thinking was London.

Chicago.

But London's the obvious place to do it, but that's not in America.

Yeah.

Recasting

for me,

can we test drive Jada Pinkett as Agatha?

Can you give that a whirl?

Kate Blanchette is like an incredible shout.

But Kate Blanchette's like, I don't know.

She's like one of the best actresses the last 25 years.

But in 02, she was like

coming up.

So after what happened with

you know morton is also really good in a lot i get i get it i was just like jada pink because she i like when she has a shaved head anyway so i'm gonna say you're gonna get chris over 30 years before different oscars yeah we're rewriting history he makes the joke it's like yeah

portman's probably too young at that point

she's in her 20s i mean she's she's as she's in Star Wars at that point where she's like, she's, she's like in the 18th 20s, yeah.

Can I uneasily test drive a casting suggestion for this to change the flavor of the movie a tiny bit?

What about Hallie Berry?

Huh?

In the precog, I think she's too, she's probably too on at this point.

I would, I would go for Halle Berry as Lara

as the as the ex-wife.

That'd be cool.

Future.

Half-Fast Center Research.

Cameron Diaz, Cameron Crow, and Paul Thomas Anderson are on the subway uncredited.

In the Philip Dick novel, John Anderton is a balding, out-of-shape old man.

Yeah.

He also at the end of, I think it will believe at the end of the novel, him and Lara get like basically kicked off of Earth.

Yeah.

Kicked off of Earth.

Yeah, it's not a happy ending.

Hold on, where did it go?

It's like you're basically being transported to like another planet as a punishment, and Whitwer

is like takes over, essentially.

In the book,

the precogs are intellectually disabled and deformed individuals.

They decided that doesn't sound fun.

Spielberg said he wanted to give the movie a noir feel and threw himself a film festival that included asphalt jungle, Key Largo, Maltese Falcon, and they decided to deliberately overlight

the film and then bleach bypass the negative with our guy, Janush.

The Car Factory scene is based on

a never shot sequence in North by Northwest that Hitchcock told Francois Truffaut about.

So like he took like the inspiration for that.

I mean, he's just in, he's just fucking, he is hearing Jimmy in this movie.

He's just, do you know my Yanush connection?

I do not.

So my daughter is in like,

Chris knows this, elementary school.

Yeah.

And he's one of the other dads in my daughter's class.

And one year it was like second or third grade.

He took all the pictures at like the end of the year thing.

And it was Janusz Kaminsky, multiple Oscar winner cinematography.

So, you know,

normally you have these things and it's just like a bunch of like people taking taking iPhones, and it's a photo album.

And this is like fucking

released on a coffee table,

just pictures of like seven-year-old little girls, like blowing bubbles in the air.

Yeah, it's like this is fucking basic.

Anyway, similar to the fugitive.

Richard Kimball, John Anderton, framed for crimes they didn't commit.

Both recognized on the subway by another passenger.

Both consulted a colleague to unravel a clue.

Both pursued by a police officer and navigate through a crowded public place to try to lose them.

Kimball dyes his hair.

Anderton has his eyes replaced.

Discovered they were set up by a colleague that they had been talking about the whole time and trusted and then blow them up during a ceremony celebrating that colleague.

You got neuronin, you got provasic.

What are they taking in the fugitive?

What's the the drug that they're basic yeah you'll have to excuse my friend dr richard kimball he's been sick is there a scene in this one that's parallel or something like the jumping off of the

uh

the jumping into the damn scene

probably the fight the jetpack fight the jetpack jumping where he just goes what yeah that's another similarity whatever you do you're not going to catch me i'm willing to jump off of the thing or do whatever.

Yeah.

This is a borderline Sean Fantasy criteria orgasm, criteria and orgasm award, whatever we call that one.

But criteria orgasm.

Criteria orgasm.

Cruise confronts Max at the end.

He's wearing a dark hood.

And it's mirrors the opening of a 1957 movie called The Seventh Seal.

Yes.

Oh,

yeah.

Yeah.

So there you go.

Apex Mountain.

I got one for you.

What do you got?

Have you ever heard of the made-up genre called Nokia Wave or Nokia Wave, depending on how you pronounce the Swedish phone company?

You know about this?

I don't.

So it's basically

an idea/slash sub-genre that was coined by a critic named David Rudnick.

And it

loosely spans from GoldenEye

through the Born movie.

So like 95 to like early 2000s.

And it's all about like, it's like enemy of the state.

It's like Matrix.

It's stuff where it's like the technology is futuristic, but it's still tactile.

So, you were talking about like the little floppy disks, but it was basically clear disks.

People are still wearing earbuds, you know, like the phones are like almost there, but they're not super in the future.

And everything is about paranoia and

a state surveilling you.

And basically, this is like it's this Ronin spy game, Mission Impossible, a bunch of these, but minority report is Apex Mountain for Nokia Wave.

Do you think that would make me watch Malcolm?

No, that was great.

That's great.

They did it on purpose that time.

That was great.

No, you're right.

This was a

four-year run of inferior technology being presented as awesome technology.

Yes, where it's like we can't get find Jason Bourne because like the internet is busy, like the modem is not working.

Almost like contemporary steampunk.

Yeah.

Like to where it's, you know what I mean?

That's a really good Apex Mountain.

Yeah.

Cruz, no

spielberg no

cruise spielberg collapse

yeah because this is it yeah

no this is better than i love war of the worlds though i think it's a real

i think war of cruise throwing a throwing you're just back because he's a yankees fan in that movie throwing the baseball at his son's face um he just has to come and come out and say i had a torn rotator cuff but i've got to throw it um because i threw the baseball for seven straight months before filming because I wanted to get it right.

Spielbergian shattered my rotator cuff.

See, Spielbergian techno no war, like between this and AI.

Oh, that's good.

Yeah, I like this movie so much more than AI.

I really didn't feel like AI worked.

Not a lot of AI conversations lately, although I guess the title is important.

Movie, though.

Yeah, I get it.

How about Evil Max Characters?

Because this wasn't the most evil.

CR knows what the most evil is.

Strange Brew?

No.

He was the good Nazi in victory.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

The Nazis were all evil in Victory, but Pele's bicycle kick was so good, he stood up and applauded it.

Yeah.

But you know what?

You're still a fucking Nazi.

Yeah.

Sorry, sorry, buddy.

Samantha Morton, Apex Mountain.

It's her time.

Morvern Cowler.

Yeah, I actually think she's either

Dorchester is Neil McDonough.

No way.

No, hell no.

No, his Apex Mountain is a 25-year Apex Mountain.

He got a deep back.

25-year Apex.

He got a deep bag.

He got a deep bag of recognizable characters.

Yeah.

When they first year, Yellowstone, I'm like, Neil's going to be in this.

And then second year, he is.

He's in there.

Yeah.

Pre-cogs, definitely.

Washington, D.C.

movies, no.

Pre-crime departments.

I don't remember seeing this in another movie.

Predictive crime, yeah.

Yeah, I don't think so.

Phil Dick movies.

We just said we just said no.

Yeah.

All right.

Cruise or Hanks, Scorsese, or Spielberg.

This is the first time this has ever happened.

It's a double wow.

Yeah.

What role would Philip Sigmar Hoffman have played?

No,

I have him in the Colin Farrell role.

It's an interesting idea of him playing Whitwer because it's a little bit more of a twerk, a little less hot, a little less like...

The fight scene suffers, probably.

The fight scene suffers.

Maybe the running and all of that kind of he wasn't known for, but like he also was kind of sneaky athletic and people don't talk about it.

Like he was a good ball player and all of that stuff.

He never really got into that bag on screen, I guess, that much.

But

he could have been the eye doctor.

Oh, sure.

Yeah, he could have been eye doctor.

He could have been Gideon.

But I think he's the Duizo Zappa if we're doing this.

He just comes in hot for five minutes.

But in 2002, I'm like, he's just like doing a favor for Cruz, their buddies.

Craig's choice, flex category.

What do you got, Craig?

Well, I kind of want to do a hottest take, which is just that Lamar was super right and that we should get the precogs back in the milk and that even if it's like a 98% hit rate, what are we doing here?

This is the problem with his generation.

See, I'm telling you, this is like, I want to take Waymo.

I want

a world without murder, even if innocent people are going to jail.

Hey, spoiler alert.

Innocent people go to jail all the time.

We have a 98% hit rate.

He means it.

This is the problem.

This is an intellectual.

What's our hit rate now?

Like 60%?

I can tell you, I mean, 98% just averaging.

Guys are clear about 20%.

Yeah, I'm just running the numbers here.

This still looks like a pretty good move to me.

See, okay.

This would be an unbelievable first take segment.

Think about what you saw, Craig.

We have to get the pre-congs back in the water.

An ethically utilitarian generation.

I'm telling you.

Craig, I really enjoyed the take.

Picking knits.

Swapping eyeballs.

Let's really talk about this.

this.

I know the technology is going to be better in 2054 than it is now.

I don't know what century we're just going to be able to swap eyeballs.

We're the guys out there in an action scene three weeks later.

Come on.

Yeah.

Like, come on.

I'm here.

Me too.

Like, kidneys, I would, I get it, but that one is,

that one's a little crazy.

Cruise just stumbles into the exact drowning of Anne Lively in about 20 seconds from the pre-cog thing i think it's the idea that precogs are echoing that like they're trying to send a signal to

because that's her mother she keeps saying i know she says you can she says to him you can see she wants him to see and then lamar accidentally saying the girl drowned i'll i'll add on to lamar pylon i don't really feel like lamar shooting himself in the heart is like commensurate to the rest of the film's like imagination.

So when like it's just the two of them together and then he's like,

I'm like, like, come on.

You guys had a jetpack fight an hour ago.

F2.

Yeah.

Who's in charge of updating the retinal files?

What do you mean?

So Tom Cruise, his character, John Anderton, is now a fugitive and on the run and an outlaw,

but his retinal still gets you into the police station.

Oh, who's like, why didn't they turn off his security badge?

Like, you leave a place, like you fire, you get fired from a place, they discontinue your badge, like, right away.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But all the way to the end of the movie, he can still get into the

justice department.

He's able to get in using his retinal file.

Like, he's, who's up, who's in charge of the- That's the fucking one of the best picking nits I've heard in a long time.

Who's in charge of updating the retinal files?

It should not still be giving you access.

Yeah.

Cut your car off right away.

You can't get back in.

This is 2025.

We would know this.

2002, they didn't think of it.

I'm just saying, like, they get you out of it.

And then the other one is retinophiles.

The other one is this.

So in the crime with the precog, the Ann Wiley, the crime, right?

They come and get her murderer, and then they just leave her there for her to be killed.

So they don't need her to come to the station and give a statement.

They, okay.

Right.

I think the idea is that it's all staged, right?

But I know what you mean, where the cops are like, you're good.

See you later.

Yeah, the cops come get the guy, guy, and then that allows Burgess to then kill her while the cops are gone.

There's not a cop that goes, hey, I know this was traumatic for you.

They literally just leave her standing by the lake for him to come kill her.

Well, in Craig's America, that's just how the cops are.

Keep the pre-cocks in hell.

I'm Craig Horbach, and that's my 2054 stance.

Wait, I have a picking net.

Yeah.

You'll have to talk me through this because maybe I'm not thinking about this right.

But the whole John Anderton murder, the whole plot seems like a catch-22 to me because

Anderton would not have known about the Leo Crow thing unless Agatha told him or saw it.

But Agatha would have never seen it unless he was already destined to do it, which he couldn't have been because she's the reason why he was destined to do it.

Craig, welcome to the world of dick, man.

This is what it's all about.

It's like a chicken or the egg.

But that's the paradox.

Would you just see the whole idea?

Welcome to the world of dick.

You know, it's like all of this.

It's like basically the whole idea.

It's just dick, Craig.

Yeah.

I just got dicked.

When he's like,

Colin Farrell's character is just like, if we, it's like, here's the paradox.

It's like, if you know the ball is going to drop, you catch it, whatever.

That whole idea.

But like the opening example in the film makes sense.

It's like this guy's going, you know, theoretically going to kill his wife, but he still has a choice.

But the Anderton thing doesn't make sense because he literally would have never known about it.

had Agatha not told him.

But that's the whole thing is she's trying to knock down the dominoes that will eventually lead to like her mother's murder being solved

it's like craig it's like if sacramento just takes luka doncich number two

then we don't any we don't lose

basketball

great year nico harrison is just boys with everybody and the lakers are dying i would say craig this was a a source story written under a tremendous influence of drugs sure yeah

Sequel, prequel, Prestige TV, all blackcasts are untouchable.

Prestige TV probably should have worked with this.

It feels like a show Apple would have made.

I think it would just be more heady and less fun and chase-oriented.

Probably less toys because they wouldn't have the budget.

Although, if they gave Prestige,

the Prestige morning show treatment money to this, Apple, 20 million an episode.

Yeah, it would just be an advertisement for everything Apple's going to do in 10 years.

Right.

He's walking through the mall and it's just like iPad.

Yeah.

I guess the phone.

The question is, like, when you do the prestige on this, do you do a one-season limited that kind of stretches out Anderton's story?

Or do you leave pre-crime around

and do something based on that for like multiple seasons?

Or would you do a prequel and it's like the first guy who gets caught by pre-cogs?

Right.

Because that guy probably was pretty salty.

Or you do, or you do all the minority reports.

What about Law and Order pre-crime?

Oh, shit.

Just like the cheap version of this.

Yeah.

Just every episode.

Not a lot of detective work.

It's like, oh, yeah, see, we got to just go get this guy.

It's basically just moving your hands around.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm?

CR honor of the NBA playoffs.

If DB was checking out a little minority report, we see you, Miss Agatha.

You've been swimming in the photon milk for all this time.

Not just grinding tape, but making the tape for the pre-con police to act on.

But now you're out here in your gap finest, straight off the rack, living your best life.

Don't let anyone tell you that you need the twins to see the future.

TB has really kind of taken on her own character now.

It's not even really like a Doris Burke imitation anymore.

I don't know.

We'll see her in the playoffs.

I don't know if that's far off.

I had

I had Ryan Rucco and also an honor of the NBA playoffs.

Is Lamar Burgess going to take his life?

You met!

Just one Oscar who gets it.

I could honestly go Kaminski.

I think this movie looks so cool.

Yeah.

I think the way it's, it just, the vibe of it is so unique.

It really stands out.

Even if you're flicking channels on cable and you stumble across it, it just looks different.

I like the idea, though, that this is like

hardly in the conversation of Spielberg movie that missed out on an Oscar or should have, but what should have won an Oscar, but people still study it.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

It's a real testimony.

No question.

Probably unanswerable questions.

Did Howard Marks's wife deserve to die?

I mean, the fucking guy wasn't even in his car yet, and the next guy's coming over.

I don't know.

That guy's.

Did Howard have some good ideas?

The house, too, from across the street.

She's like,

you can't even wait for five minutes.

Creep a fair guy.

I don't know.

You need to go listen to the TK Kirkland interview on higher learning.

Let me tell you something.

I said it was unanswerable.

I will tell you this.

No, but the answer is no.

But I will say that that scene is really,

that scene is diabolical because

he's trying to convince her to have sex in the bed.

Yeah.

And she's like not wanting to do it.

But saving it.

But yeah, but she's like, I don't want to do it in our band, in the bed that we share, even though the guy's already coming in in the house.

He's like, nah, nah, fuck your husband.

Fuck your husband.

And then he's right there with the fucking scissors.

But no, she didn't deserve to die.

No.

Has any actor ever worn more masks in a movie than Tom Cruise?

Oh my God.

I forgot about the paralytic that he shoots into.

We need to talk about that.

Yeah.

He loves a mask.

Loves it.

I mean, how many every Mission Impossible movie?

Vanilla Sky.

Vanilla Sky.

This movie, it's got to be like two more.

Is he wearing a mask in Tropic Thunder is just a lot of makeup?

Yeah.

Oh, that's a good question.

A pro for Lev?

Maybe, maybe with prosthetics, maybe not a full mask.

Yeah.

I love that he injects himself with that.

And then like 20 seconds later, the pre-cut guy's like, hey, John.

It's also such like,

why did I do that?

Where they're like, here's what you're going to do.

You're going to shoot yourself this.

And it's like, this is not like actually that important.

No.

I have two really good ones.

So unless anyone has any other ones, I don't.

All right.

First one.

What's the fan dual line on the crane fight with Farrell and Cruz, right?

When

right when Farrell does his Irish thing and it's like, it's go time.

If that's real life on the crane, who wins?

Well, I think it's like I'm going with the Irish guy.

I mean, it's kind of like

on Men Thompson's first playoff series.

We don't really know, we won't really see, we haven't seen Whitwear in that.

I think he's like minus 310 over Cruise, he's got size on him, he's younger.

And when he kisses the necklace, that's like that tells you he's been there before, yeah, yeah.

Like he's had some scraps, and by the way, he starts off him up.

So, three to one, three to one.

Ah,

three to one is a lot.

So, you think there'd be some cruise action and minus 240?

Or plus 240?

Yeah.

Next one.

Has Van ever typed in pre-COG in a porn search?

This might actually be answerable.

Cog.

No, I haven't.

Okay, good.

What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie?

I would want the pre-crime screen, but only so that I could watch Second Spectrum and grind tape.

Look at this split action.

Draymond's going to get set here.

I have the rarely seen not want for this.

Okay.

The eyeballs.

Imagine having those.

Like, what are those?

I have the eyeballs for a minority of Spotify.

The halo.

I want the halo.

Oh, yeah.

The halos are cool.

Coach Finstock award, best life lesson.

I'm going to go with careful chief.

You dig up the past.

All you get is dirty.

I don't know.

Some sort of life lesson.

Okay.

I like everybody runs.

Yeah.

Everybody runs.

That's good.

Best double feature choice.

I had Edge of Tomorrow.

That's good.

I had North by Northwest.

Oh, I was going to say War on the World, War of the Worlds, just to get the combo.

Yeah.

Who won the movie?

Steve?

I'm going to go Steve.

I'm going to go Steve too.

Unanimous.

Yeah.

Craig's pre-cog milk take.

Yeah.

Craig, what do you got?

So I feel like I've effectively masked my thoughts throughout this recording.

You're probably not going to be thrilled.

I have seen this movie before.

I saw it 10 years ago.

This is only the second time I've seen it.

And I don't deny that this is exactly what Spielberg wanted.

It just,

it just doesn't click for me.

It doesn't work.

Not a sci-fi guy or not.

I like sci-fi guy.

He's a pre-crime guy.

Can I ask you something?

We didn't talk about this.

Is it a half hour too long?

Yeah, for sure.

Because I know that you're really sensitive about run times anyway.

And this, this one definitely has like five extra drags a little ahead of its time in how long it is, to be honest.

Yeah, I feel like these movies two and a half hour blockbuster was uncommon back.

Yeah, I just knew sinners, I love sinners, but I knew like I had to pee halfway at the hour mark because I was like, I know this is going to go an hour and a half longer.

I think this is just like my own personal subjective opinion.

I just don't like the look of the early aughts, late 90s movies.

That like cold, blue, bleached out.

I just like find that to be visually unpleasant.

And I think it's in a weird middle ground.

Like, I think it's in a gray area where 80s and 90s movies to me actually aged better than early aughts movies because the early aughts movies are like in that awkward period between bad CGI and good CGI, and they're like really trying.

I could not agree more.

They are just discovering it, so they're trying really hard.

And I actually think it just looks worse than like total recall in some ways.

Bad, bad, like bad CGI, like bad CGI effects puts you in a position where you understand exactly what they're imagining.

Middling CGI and effects makes it look like they couldn't do what they wanted to do.

I think this movie is either 10 years too early or 10 years too late.

Yeah.

You know what's funny, though?

So I totally agree with Craig, but I also judge this because I know what they had and didn't have back then.

Almost the same way you would watch NBA clips from the 70s and be like, oh yeah, they didn't know to shoot threes back then.

But see, that's what he's saying.

Yeah.

In my opinion, I'm not to speak for him because he just said it, but like, if you watch, if you watch Total Recall and, you know, the things happening and he's in the stomach and all that.

That can't be.

Right.

You get that.

But then when you watch a movie from like 2002 or 2003, there are parts of the movie that look amazing and then parts that look bad.

And that to me takes you more out of it than something that looks bad pretty much throughout the entire way.

I was watching, I don't know if you guys know this movie, The Thing, last night.

John Carpenter.

Literally last night.

You might have heard of it.

Did you get it on 4K?

Huh?

Did you get it on 4k?

No, it was just on cable.

I do have it on 4K, though.

See, to me, that's a good example of a movie that visually works despite how data is.

But that's the thing.

It's 1982.

All of it feels completely genuine, even the alien, whatever the fuck coming out of the guy's stomach.

And in 2002, they probably tried to throw some technology at that that would make it seem less fake than it did in 1982.

Yes.

It's just tough timing.

I almost wish this was a total recall sequel in like 1991 because it would have looked way different.

But there are parts of the movie that look fantastic.

Like all of the, all of the stuff moving around, the precog stuff, all of that stuff totally works.

And then you'll get to something and you'll go, they hadn't quite mastered it because they were probably producing this 2000, 2001.

Yeah.

Something like that.

They hadn't quite mastered it.

He shot it pretty fast, but yeah, like it's, it's, it's, I think it's after, I mean, they certainly were doing it after 9-11, but I think it was a quick shoot yeah I just don't love the early internet era like the early digital era on film I feel like is kind of tough doesn't age well Craig have you seen the thing yeah Jack have you seen it I have

huge inspiration for sinners

it's really good

the finger says you're showing a little you're showing a little leg are we gonna do it the thing is just really good

it's it's just it's one of the best movies the testing the blood is just one of the most riveting scenes but sinners has a lot of thing energy in it.

The garlic.

Do you think that was an inspiration for Sinners?

Probably.

I mean, he would know.

It's a whole thing.

Jack, you can get to it.

I haven't heard anybody say it, but maybe I guess Jack has.

No, Ryan Koogler has spoken about the thing was one of the biggest inspirations for the film.

I saw a video recently of Kurt Russell and Keith David meeting up again for the first time in like 20 something years.

And I was like, this is like,

I'm about to start crying.

Like, this is really important.

It was at Carpenter's.

Oh, my God, brother.

What's up?

It's like, holy shit.

Still not my favorite Carpenter, though.

Wow.

Yeah.

You made Halloween, for God's sakes.

Nah.

Big Trouble in Low China.

That is a very good movie.

Love that movie.

You going They Live?

They Live.

They Live.

They Live is still the, it's a haunting.

riveting, hyper masculine masterpiece.

Love that movie.

Love it.

I also like Vampires, which is a movie that nobody likes.

I like vampires.

Yeah.

Thanks to Craig.

Thanks to Jack.

Thanks to LaCroix.

Thanks to CR and Van.

Great to see you guys, as always.

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