‘Minority Report’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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My name is Bill Simmons. We are going to do our 17th Tom Cruise movie on the Rewatchables.
He's just, he's like Barry Bonds in 2002. He's just leaping the field.

A little bit of

a classic minority report is next.

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But now... I have a warrant in my pocket that says murder.
Seems you've been left out of the loophole.

He has to run from it. He set me up on June 21st.
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So get ready to run.

Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg. Minority Report.
Rough Lanny, you have to work on that. This film not yet rated.
June 21st, only in theater.

All right, minority report. CR has been floating this and suggesting this for a long, long time.
He's wearing a master's hat today to try to really capture the magic.

Is this

the master of his domain? Yeah. Okay, got it.
That's right. If you had to pick, is this a Tom Cruise movie or a a Spielberg movie?

I think it's a Spielberg movie, but I don't think it works if it's not Tom Cruise. Oh.
Yeah. But the ingenuity of it, the vision of it, the

creative flair, I think in some ways it's one of Steven Spielberg's most swagged out movies. He is doing stuff in this just to amuse himself, just because he can.

It's like watching him play left-handed, just like, ah. I'm going to try this.
I'm going to do that. I'm going to do all my coverage with camera movement.
I'm going to go up a building.

I'm going to jump off the building. We're going to do all this stuff about the future, but we're not even going to like explain how it works.
We're just going to run right through it. It's so fast.

It's so energetic. It just feels Spielberg to me.
What do you think, Van?

It's definitely a Spielberg movie. And it's, you know, around the same time that Spielberg was messing around with the darker side of Spielberg stuff.

You know, he's doing this, he's doing AI, and then even World of Worlds with Tom Cruise again is a little bit of a darker Spielberg take.

He's getting a little bit more intense with it and in those movies to chris's point is when he's really showing off how technically brilliant he is just to build tension um using the camera and his mastery as a director yeah it's almost like he's like jordan just being like you think i can't do this

What what, what, what, what's your nitpick now? And then he would just come up with something to

cover that. He's got a 98.
I mean, at the end of Saving Private Ryan, and he's got, he's done Schindler's List. He's done Amistad.
He's done these heavy movies. Heavier movies, sure.
He does AI.

Amistad's not that heavy. No.
Well, maybe not for you, Bill. Do you have the comedy cut?

I would say Amistad.

I like to think of Bill on a Saturday. Like, I want a feel-good movie.
Yeah. Let's just throw on Amistad.
I don't know. Amistad's, all right.
Deleted scenes are good.

No, Amistad and Munich, I think, are two of the heavier movies. But that's where we get into Schindler's List and Savior Private Ryan.
We've actually done a couple of these now.

I mean, we haven't done AI, but like he does AI, which is sort of this also extension of Kubrick, right? Because Kubrick was originally going to do artificial intelligence.

But he does Minority Report and Catch Me If You Can. We have, we've also done Rewatchables, the terminal, but War of the Worlds.
Like, he's just working.

It just seems like he's like, what I want to do is get into the gym and try this and try that and try this.

I do feel like this is the tail end of whatever crazy all-time Apex he had, right? Probably, probably tailing off around the mid-2000s a little bit. He's getting older.

Um, I think this is the most creative movie he made during this whole stretch, though. Even the way, like, the color correction, like the stuff my guy Janusz Kaminski did.

And he told Yanush, I want this to be the ugliest movie I've ever made. Yeah, it's like bleached out.
It's just, it just really like,

there's a little tension in there when you watch the film between

traditional Spielberg visuals and how how this movie is probably supposed to look and supposed to feel.

Like, there's a version of this movie, if it's directed by like David Fincher or someone like that with a little bit of a darker palette and a more clear aesthetic and

like narrative kind of thought about the milk that's a lot darker and that's a lot more intense. But you can look and see the Spielbergian notes throughout the movie.

There's like little wacky parts that pull their,

in some of the chases where they're really intense then there's the part where he's the women are the contortionists there's little parts where he pulls you out of being a little bit too dour about what's going on and reminds you that you're watching the steven spielberg movie yeah one of the things i was wondering is there's that whole new generation of directors that come in the mid-90s right that next class that's a little reminiscent of what he had in the 70s and pta and fincher all these dudes kind of coming up and this feels like the most finchery type of movie i that he could have made.

And I really wonder if, like, Fincher either inspired him or made him competitive to be like, oh, everyone thinks Fincher is a genius. Like, I'm going to fucking out-fincher him.

I wonder also whether or not audiences had shown an openness to a certain level of grime, like a little bit more dirt, a little bit more of a smudge on the lens. Like it's like the room isn't tidy.

Like people are a little bit more fucked up. Like it was definitely in the air in that 90s into the early 2000s turn, I think, cinematically.
Internet, we're starting to be like, oh, shit. Yeah.

This is going to be part of our lives for the rest of our lives now. Where is this going? Well, and then the crucial.
I'm sorry. No, no, no, go ahead.

No, I mean, I'm saying like a little bit more of the dystopian stuff is starting to take over sci-fi. Yeah.
You know, this is post-9-11. Post-9-11, post-the Matrix.
So it's, uh, it, you're,

you're in visual. I can't wait to talk about,

hey, but that's, that's very, that's a big part of this film. When I watch it, I'm like, hey, hey, they got that right.
Yeah, this movie has some really interesting futuristic movies.

Oh, I can't wait to talk about it to where they get a couple of things right. But I'm saying maybe Spielberg and other people are looking at it.

And it's like the high-concept sci-fi that you're looking at now is a little darker. Not that that didn't exist before, but people were actually going to it and craving it a little bit.

Didn't know where they were going. I have seven genres happening all at the same time in this movie.
It's a Spielberg movie. It's a cruise movie.
And I think CR is right.

Cruise is essential to this, which we'll get into it's a sci-fi futuristic thriller it's a cop movie

it's a fugitive movie it's like a psychic

how much do we know about the future do you believe in this shit movie and it's a free will versus determination movie which is probably like the biggest theme in the movie is how much How much can you control of what happens?

Yeah. Can I add two more things to that? Let's do it.
I already have seven. I think it's his, it's his Hitchcock homage.

So so much much Vertigo, North by Northwest stuff happening in this, especially North by Northwest, all the chases, all the

man wrongly accused on the run stuff is right out of Hitchcock, some of Hitchcock's best movies. And then it's essentially a Philip K.

Dick thing, which I don't think I really knew at the time because I hadn't really read a ton of his stuff in 02,

but a lot of the...

side characters, a lot of the conception of the future of us being constantly surveilled, of us all being hooked up on our devices and all being mildly addicted to drugs is all out of Philip K. Dick.

And he obviously wrote this. Are you a Phil Dick guy? I am a Phil Dick guy.
Yeah. I actually went on a little Phil Dick run recently.

You Phil dicked it up? Yeah.

I got a category later for

the dick lovers out there. Well, so the things from that book are

he has a pre-crime police department that apprehends criminals. He has the pre-cogs and it's in D.C.
in 2054, which, by the way, Van is now less than 30 years away. Yeah, you know what?

I was thinking, are we closer

to

the actual imagining of

the world in 2054, or are we nowhere near? Do you feel disappointed? I feel like we're so far away from the cars and the traffic, how they manage that in here. Oh, God.
Yeah. We're like seven.

We can't even build a train. We at least have Waymo, but yeah, we can't

build halfway

i had to stop myself from like legitimately following waymos in the neighborhood i would see a waymo

kalika goes there's nobody inside of the way yeah and i'm like what the fuck i say it all the time when i'm walking around because every time i notice i i'm just like that's there's nobody driving that you just want to follow a waymo for just like one block and see if the waymo is up to the task i know i've never seen anybody riding in the back of the sometimes you want to throw the waymo a curveball just like run out in front of

the waymo no i always think about that

but you know all you also don't want to be the one guy that dies like fucking getting hit by waymo yeah what happened to this guy oh he was testing the waymo and the waymo said fuck you i mean the problem with the waymos from what i've seen walking around is they're better drivers than all the actual drivers yeah but you need basically to hit a moment where there are more waymos than regular drivers because otherwise they're just like toddling along yeah you know and it's like

i i think i think right now there's they're more in the way than they are anything. I agree.
You're behind a Waymo. You're like, when a Waymo doesn't take that last, like, you can go on the left here.

Go, go, Waymo. But consider the Waymo, though.

My great-grandfather passed away in 1987. Yeah.
If I could have a conversation with him and I could say, Big Papa, that would be the first thing you told him.

I would be like, yo, I'm in a place right now where

there are cars that drive on the street with no drivers and they drive people around.

He couldn't couldn't even imagine that. He was born in 1900.
It's nuts to think that the Waymo is here and it's not that big of a deal.

I have that every once in a while with my mom where she'll be like, what are you doing when I'm looking at my phone?

And I'm like, well, I was looking at a cat and now I'm looking at British Parliament.

She's like, what do you mean? And I was just like, honestly, you just go like that. And then something else comes.

And she, she just, yeah. Craig, where does your generation stand on Waymo? I think honestly, we're all in.
A lot of my friends take Waymo. It's cheaper.

They're like, they're doing that Uber thing where they're flooding the market with cheap prices so that everybody uses it. Have you had a like, oh my God, I'm going to die at a Waymo moment?

I admittedly have not taken one. Okay.
Oh, you have never been in? My son, Ben Simmons,

actually signed up early for Waymo and was using it before we knew it was going on. And we found out and we were freaked out.
I was like, there's nobody in the car. It's just you.

And they can't go on the freeway yet. They don't do freeway.
Yeah. Right.
So I was just driving around in the neighborhoods.

He's like, sometimes I get in the passenger seat, sometimes I sit in the back seat. There's nobody else in it.

But apparently, apparently, he said people, some people are like getting busy in the Waymo, obviously, and you immediately lose your Waymo pass.

If you're in the Waymo, the first thing you're going to think is, yo, this is the fuck train. Get on.

But they're watching you in the Waymo. The Waymo sex tapes are going to be so crazy.
Yeah, whoever hacks into the Waymo sex tapes, it's going to be.

Have you seen some of like the Waymo Waymo attacks where like people have destroyed Waymos or tagged them or like

rearranged them and trying to surf on top of them and stuff? Oh, yeah. It's when like the real like repo man of LA comes out.
Yeah,

I think it's gonna be a big summer for people torturing Waymos. Anyway, back to uh

back to Med Order Porn. Is that a prediction? Yeah, prediction coming up next.

So I'll tell you why Waymo is getting tagged up.

Uh, Spielberg was really, really passionate about figuring out 2054. So I'll do some of the research stuff now.

Consulted scientists, invited 15 experts to Santa Monica for a three-day think tank where they talked about

whatever the future is going to be with architects. Douglas Copeland from Gen X was there, the guy who wrote that.

Computer scientists, all kinds of people. They made a 2054 Bible, which was an 80-page guide.
I was looking for it online that had all the aspects of their future world.

It is exactly, should be a PDF or an Apple book. And then he said to Roger Ebert,

I wanted all the toys to come true someday. I want there to be a transportation system that doesn't emit toxins into the atmosphere and a newspaper that updates itself.

The internet is watching us now. If they want to, they can see what sites you visit.

In the future, television will be watching us and customizing itself to what it knows about us.

The thrilling thing is that will make us feel like we're part of the medium. The scary thing is we'll lose our right to privacy and ad will appear in the air around us talking directly to us.

All that shit is fucking happening.

Yeah. Like he said this in 2002 and he was dead on.
Here's the best part about what he did though. Does all this research.
He imagines the world. He figures all this stuff out with scientists.

He has a Bible. But within the realm of the movie, it all happens as part of the action.
They never stop and say, you know, we invented self-driving cars in 2034 and they became perfected in 2041.

And this, you know, they don't even have toxins. I didn't even think that they didn't have toxins.
It didn't even occur to me until you said that.

But I was thinking about when, when Anderton in this movie first, you know, is first on the run and he's walking through the mall and all the ads are starting to pop at him.

That's the first time you see the curated, you know, personalized advertising stuff. And it's five seconds, but you're like, holy shit.
What is going on in the future?

You know, what is going on in this world?

Now, it's very different to watch this movie in 2025 and be like, what you're saying, within touching touching distance of all of this stuff basically being true, but honestly, none of the good stuff that seems to come out of Minority Report.

Do you know what I mean? I do. I do.
I also think that

the movie is like one of the best parts of the movie is the world building that it does, right? It does it all very softly, but very definitely.

Like he's walking through there and you realize, oh, there's nowhere he can go and not be recognized. How is he going to get around that?

And then that sets up, to me, the most disgusting, but also the most fascinating scene in the movie where obviously when he gets his

eyes replaced, which is just

like that's Spielberg just going, like,

you know, me for making kids fly on bicycles. How much can I disgust you and disturb you in one sequence?

But all, but it all happens seamlessly. It doesn't, there's never a point where the movie seems like there's a specific point that it's trying to make to you.

I like that they use DC and he talks about this where sometimes in the futuristic movies, it just has no link to what things look like now.

So they use DC and they still have a lot of the same landmarks in DC,

but it's just kind of a twisted futuristic version of it, which I thought was smart.

The stuff that I thought worked, and tell me if I left anything out for futuristic stuff that just was cool, the police helicopters. Yeah.

The little,

yeah. Like, I feel like we might have those 29 years from now.
The eye recognition, that's already happening. You could walk into

that's clear. Yeah, that's clear.
That's going into a Clipper game. That's just staring in and then they know who you are.
They make you scan your retinas to watch the Clippers.

They, well, they stay when you walk in, they scan your face and whatever, and you don't have a ticket. I can hear you.

Are you sitting?

To watch the fucking Clippers? Yeah. Listen, I don't have to wait in the line.
They could have all my stuff.

Extra minutes of my life. I feel like you got to have a championship to scan my face.

I'm not letting the Clippers scan my face. What about making the Western Finals? Well, maybe.
Maybe they will.

But they can't. Come on, man.
You got to have more. They have my face and they can scan all they want out of it.

What's the drug in this? Clarion?

Nurinin. Nurinin? Yeah.

As 2054 fentanyl, basically? Yeah. Like this new drug out of nowhere? Yeah.
But a little bit also, I think, supposed to be

numbing and hallucinogenic. Yeah.
Yeah. Which is a very Philip K.
Dick thing.

He has lots of, I just read a book of his where it's like everybody is taking a drug and looking at a little model of reality, and then they go into the reality.

Wow, you have some Phil Dick energy today,

like Phil Dicking it up. Yeah, I'm gonna the drug part of it because in his actual life, obviously, but the drug part of it is always a staple part of the future for him.

Yeah, I think he got down a little bit. He did, Phil, yeah,

he liked to get wet.

He liked to get wet. He bought to get wet.

time is in this movie basically uh-huh giant giant awesome clear tvs they saw that coming um

i liked how they did the highways even though i don't know how realistic that is but the car that leaves your place and bounces in and suddenly you're driving and then i we talked about earlier but the the targeted virtual sponsors in a mall

I do feel like that's probably where we're heading. I mean, we're only seeing that where your phone can hear you talk about something and all of a sudden you're served the Instagram ad.
Yeah.

And also the idea of everything that you do coming with a 15-second ad as like payment for it.

So, you think about like when you're signing up for Wi-Fi on a flight, you got to watch the ad for 15 seconds. The way that the mall looks

in Minority Report is essentially what the international terminal of LAX looks like.

Like, when you're sitting there, there's like 15 giant billboards, just like you, you really do feel like your brain is getting melted by advertising in there.

And also, in the movie, there's so much that's automated and stuff. There's so much,

the future is, it's so regulated for you that in a weird way, the human interaction, the stakes in the film, they're like, they're raised.

And I feel like that kind of now is like when you are walking through the world and so much of what you're doing is like in this digital world that like when you actually talk to a person, it almost feels like the stakes are higher or like what you're saying is a little bit more important.

Because when he's, because there are parts of the movie where he it feels like it's technology against him, but then when he gets with Agatha, it feels like, okay, there's a person on the other side of it.

Now it's about how her essential human gift, um, which is like all mystical and ethereal, can help him out of his situation against the like technology that he's up against, man-made stuff.

I can't wait to talk to you about Agatha. Um,

Cruise and Spielberg together, zero movies up until this point, started developing this in 97. Mission Impossible 2 ran over.
AI ran over.

They were basically like the two guys who kept saying they would have dinner together. And it never happened.
Yeah, no, no, we're going to have dinner. And then all of a sudden

it happened, but Spielberg was supposed to do Rainman, ended up doing Indy 3 instead.

And then it finally happened. My favorite indie.
This movie has the following production companies in it. DreamWorks, Amplin Entertainment, 20th Century Fox, Cruise Wagner Productions, and Blue Tulip,

which is Jan Dubont's company. Oh, right.
You're a big Jan Dubont guy. Well, who isn't?

But Cruise and Spielberg, they took 15% of the gross to keep the... This is the Spielberg.
The old Spielberg chef.

He's a big bet on yourself, guy. They wanted to keep the budget under $100 million.
You know, it's interesting. I actually learned about...

that entire method of getting paid through the career of Tom Cruise. Yeah.
Because someone will go, yeah, Tom Cruise made a hundred million dollars for War of the Worlds.

I'd be like, How is that possible? And then that's when you understand the breakdown of his production company and how you can make it and splits and backing and all of that stuff.

I had no clue about any of that stuff until he kind of mainlined it. And this is kind of

for what it's worth. I mean, part of the reason why film budgets now seem so out of whack is people get a lot of their money up front now.
Right. Yeah.
Because there's a little bit less dependability.

Because the studio has figured out ways to cheat people out of some of these points that I've seen. So this movie costs 100 million, makes 400 million or whatever.

And they're like, it only made 5 million. Right.
Because we had to spend this much on this. Cruz's director list.
This was Pete Cruz.

So I'm going to do tears. This is just everybody he works with from Tony Scott on.
And

well, we'll go like past cocktail. Scorsese, Spielberg, Kubrick, De Palma, Sidney Pollock, Barry Levinson, Ron Howard, Oliver Stone, Tony Scott, Rob Reiner,

PTA, Neil Jordan, Cameron Crowe, and John Wu.

And then his next four after this movie were Michael Mann, Edswick, Spielberg, and Abrams.

Tom Cruise laying down the blueprint. And now

Leo followed it. And then Chalamet is like, that's what I'm going to do too.
And that's the move. I feel like CR would whore himself out a couple of times.

This is how you run your acting career. If you're lucky enough to be like, if you just say, I trust the best directors working right now, like you will probably

have a really good career. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, if you get to the position that he got to, you could, you can, yeah, yeah.

But like, I'm saying, like, he could, and he kind of spends the most recent act of his career working mostly with Macquarie and mostly on big blockbusters, right? Yeah.

He's going to do it in a retu movie next after Mission Impossible. That'll be like his return to like film film or whatever.
But

his run here is inspirational, I think, for anybody who ever achieves like any notable amount of success and has the opportunity to do it. It's coming off Eyes Wide Shut, Mission 2, and Vanilla Sky.

The next three after this, Last Samurai, Carradoral, Carradoral, Oprah's Couch.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. War of the World.
Directed to Oprah's Couch. Yeah, who's? Well, I'm just saying, this is the time frame we're moving into.
He's broken up with Nicole Kidman.

Cruz is just about to get his weird on. We don't know this yet.
In Minority Report, is this the official end of Tom Cruise's prime right here?

2002.

Yes.

He's bringing still no baggage, really, whatsoever into

not only no baggage. I think we've talked about it before.
There's an interview with him and Sway.

I know I've brought this up on this podcast before, where Sway actually looks at Tom Cruise and goes, you know what?

For all of your stardom, you're just one of the celebrities that just seems like they get it. You just get it.
Like you were this

Herculean every what year is this? This is maybe like, this might be Missing Impossible 2 promo run right here because it's MTV.

And he's talking to him. And Tom Cruise is just not just the biggest movie star in the world, but he's like America's nice guy.
And there's no edge.

There's no, of course, there are rumors about his personal life, but all of that stuff doesn't really matter that much. We don't really have an understanding of Scientology as an actual thing.

We don't like know what it is. And then, boom, like four or five years later, there's like this Anakin Skywalker turn where he's berating Matt Lauer in the morning on the morning show.

He's jumping on the cop. What year was that? It was right up mid-2000s.
Yeah.

Because I was going to say that for me, the probably the real drop-off, even though Mission Impossible 3, I actually love, but is probably...

That's Hoffman, right? Yeah, that's Hoffman.

I like that one, too. And he makes the Tropic Thunder cameo.
But that's 08. That's 08.
But that's a

cool guy. The hardest drop-off for me is Night and Day because Night and Day is a movie he tried to sell really hard, like as if it was going to be this giant blockbuster.

And I think it was a disappointment.

And then after that, it's like Ghost Protocol, Rock of Ages, Jack Reacher, Oblivion. It starts to be.
And he's basically only Mission Impossible is how we want to consume Tom Cruise.

With the exception of maybe Edge of Tomorrow. But see, even Edge of Tomorrow is very telling about his career because Edge of Tomorrow is, to me,

it's the worst.

A rapper gets to a certain point to where like you come along, you're building your career as a rapper, and then for whatever reason, hip-hop just goes, We're finished with you, we don't like you anymore.

And it doesn't matter how dope the music that you put out is, like, we just moved on to new rappers.

And so, they're guys, and you'll be trying to tell people, Hey, man, I don't know if you know, so-and-so just dropped a crazy album, they just don't care anymore, right?

And so, when Edge of Tomorrow came out, that wasn't like Oblivion or some of those other movies that were up or down. Like, I enjoy Jack Reacher, but you know, you could take it or leave it.

Edge of Tomorrow is legitimately

awesome like fantastic sci-fi i also like jack reacher i i like kind of i like jack reacher but it kind of lands with a little bit of a thud and that's when you go tom's in trouble like that's when you go like he actually made a good album and nobody cares it almost had a word of mouth run because people are like no no the edge of tomorrow it's like no it's really good

that that whole thing was like what what's the movie called like is it called Live Die

yeah or is it called Edge of Tomorrow and like I think

it was a little bit ahead ahead of its time in popularizing some of you.

Have you guys watched the Oprah's couch clip? I have many times. Recently, I haven't, but I watched the thing we based, remember we did Claytheism

at the Ringer in like early days, and that was like based on him in the turtleneck talking about Scientology. The Oprah's couch thing,

right? It became kind of like a go-to joke, and we all knew what it meant. But I don't know how many times people have actually gone back and watched how fucking insane it is.

It's the, And it's just this audience of crazy Oprah lady fans just losing their shit every time he gets excited that he's finally in love. And Oprah's like, I've never seen you like this.

And Cruz is like, I know, I know.

And then he just starts jumping up and down. And it's like, what is happening? It is.
Way crazier than I think it gets credit for. That is one of the craziest celebrity moments ever.

But there's a crazy trifecta. There's that.
there's him being

just

he is furious at matt lower yeah he's really angry and then there's the other thing where he's whatever the video from scientology leaks and he's talking he's like

yeah have you ever met an essay before

i'm like oh

shit tom cruise yeah his goddamn emperor palpatine what the is going on yeah and And then I love the guy, but he's fucking batshit. Oh, no, no, no, no.
17 rewatchable movies.

He's a maniac. He's really like, okay.
So this is a dark time in Tom. I don't know, want to get into the, but he really has

taken all of that goodwill back, in my opinion. I agree.

Top cut Maverick, he's taken all of that goodwill back.

Listen, we love Tom Cruise, but yeah, there's been some moments where you're like, oh, yeah, okay.

It's like if you're at like a holiday dinner and you have that one uncle who's, it seems like it's going great. And then they just say something absolutely insane after two glasses of wine.

You're like, oh. I was thinking about this the other day about how he kind of inverted the way actors typically would progress throughout their career.

He does all this great stuff with great directors when he's younger. Yeah.
Then he hits a certain point and he's like, I'm just going to make action movies.

And I'm just going to throw myself off of stuff. Even though he's getting increasingly older and probably that's more and more dangerous every time time he tries that stuff.

This is probably the perfect mix of acting Tom Cruise in an interesting, speculative piece of sci-fi drama, conspiracy thriller, and running Tom Cruise because he basically runs for this entire movie because everybody runs.

But I love that like it's this weird thing where you'd expect, oh, as you get older, you're going to settle into being like, I'm Paul Newman now.

I'm going to play a guy who's having a midlife crisis. Well, we always talk about this.
Cruise never had his, the verdict. Yeah.
He just never did it. also

we got to a point with tom to where we just appreciated what he was willing to do to entertain us he's willing to live this mysterious almost monastic lifestyle he's willing to get on the plane if you look

you got on the couch that's one thing but if you're willing to get on the side of the plane yeah if you're willing to jump off of you just i'm gonna be like yeah i'm with this guy you know what i'm saying if you're willing to get i'm watching it i'm like yo is this motherfucker on the side of the plane is he actually on the plane and i think it was those things that kind of like we're in a era where it seems like people sometimes force me to shit it just seems like he still gives a shit about making good movies um let's take a break and then we'll hit the uh rest of this and get to the categories this episode is brought to you by united airlines here's something worth watching the award-winning united airlines app on every trip you can flip through time-saving travel hacks like a personalized airport map with door-to-gate directions.

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Supporting cast in this movie, including a very young, our guy, Colin Farrell.

Ciara and I did a

pod with him. What was that, 2018? Yeah.
In person? This is right when he was being like paraded around like this is the guy. You know, it was after

Tyre Wayo. This could be a next guy guy.
Yeah.

It's his Russell Crowe mid-90s kind of moment where it's like, you might be hearing from this guy in a real way now. I put it as his Jude Law Gattaker role.
Jude Law. Yeah, exactly.

To where it's like, hey, Ethan Hawks deleted this, but there's this new guy, Jude Law, and we're going to give him time to cook a little bit because he's going to be on

the top of the. It's like Billy Jacoby and just one of the guys, same thing.

It's like, this is a Joyce Heiser movie,

this is really a watch. I watch you stay behind to watch Billy Joe.
Just one of the guys, guy? Just one of the guys. The little brother, the comedic genius, Billy Jacoby.

I'm distracted by just one of the guys. Yeah, okay.
Because I just finally, I just,

I think about the final scene. Yeah.
I think about the reveal. Very getting distracted when we talk about the pre-cogs later.
The reveal. Samantha Morton as a pre-cog.
Yeah.

Max von Saito.

Max Von C.

Your guy, Max von Saito? Yeah. The evil Nazi from victory.
We lost Van Catherine Walker because you weren't expecting it. Because are you talking about just one of the guys? Okay,

you weren't expecting it because when she does it, you're like, oh, and it's a PG movie. And it's like, not only is she a girl, but she is a fucking woman.

Wow. And you're making CR uncomfortable.

I'm all good.

You're back. All right.

Catherine Walker, big bum fur. Neil McGunner from Dorchester Mass.
That's right.

Better than that guy. Great guy.
A working man. A working man.
Throw a cowboy hat on him and put him in anything you want, and he's ready to go. Walking tall.
Incredible career.

Yeah. Like just a working man.
Yeah. Love that guy.
Music by John Williams. Cinematography by Janusz Kaminsky.
Written by Scott Frank. Yep.
Spielberg.

Only nominated for.

An Oscar for sound editing. And I really want to litigate this.
Okay.

Best picture that year. Chicago wins.
Gangs of New York, The Hours. Lord of the Rings, Two Towers, The Pianist.

Director, Polanski wins.

Rob Marshall.

Rob Marshall for Chicago. Scorsese.
Stephen Daudry for the Hours. Pedro Amodavar.
Amadavar?

Aldemovar. Almodivar.

Whatever. Talk to her.

Spielberg just shut out. Yeah.
I mean, in a really weird way, when, and this almost feels like a little like people are like, all right, Steve, enough.

He had his, the Schindler's Private Ryan run, maybe, like, where everybody's just like, you're good now. I don't know how this was.
I don't know.

I mean, like, when you watch this movie and you watch Chicago, uh, which I have not watched. You watch this movie versus Lord of the Rings.
Like, really?

Well, all right, you're going to get Jesus Christ.

Fucking guys in your mentions, right? You got hobbits coming at you. Yeah, what are you doing? Lord of the Rings is a.
You're talking about the Two Towers? He is.

I'm not even a huge Lord of the Rings versus minority report.

First of all, have you seen Lord of the Rings of Two Towers?

So get on. It's the one with the Twitch.

Sean Aston in it. He is.

You haven't even seen it. The Hours? The Hours is good.
The Hours is a good movie. Yeah.
I think what hurts it, though, is we don't have the nine movie categories at this point.

It's a nine movie category. It makes it.
Director, we could argue about. Also, Spoolberg has LeBron James syndrome.

You could basically give him a best directing nod for almost every film that he directs. So it's probably, he's probably probably competing against himself.
Didn't realize Rich Paul was here.

Jesus. Don't, you know.
Now you're going to tell us that Chris Bosch wasn't part of the big three? Yeah, Sean Aston. Sean Aston had no role in getting the ring to Mordor.
It wasn't a big three.

Chris Bosch, Chris Bosch was a benchmark. He's in the Michael Jordan syndrome.
He's directing against himself.

And if he is directing against himself, Minority Report is not going to be a movie that you're going to be like, oh my God, he has to get nominated.

I can never tell if Rich really likes being on McAfee. I don't know, man.

Do you want to skip this topic?

Let's move on. $102 million budget.
It made $354 million. Yeah.

Roger Ebert. What do you think, man?

How many stars? So he's going to give you three stars. I think three and a half.
Four and a half stars. Four stars.
Four stars. I can see him loving this.

I'm just going to read this because it's really good. American movies are in the midst of a transition period.
He's right.

Spielberg, who is a master of technology, trusts only story and character and then uses everything else as a workman uses his tools. He makes Minority Report with the new technology.

Other directors seem to be trying to make their movies from it. The film is such a virtual

high wire act, daring so much, achieving it with such grace and skill. Minority Report reminds us why we go to the movies in the first place.
Wow, Raj is like fucking.

That's like a four and a half stars.

It's like a Dave Meltzer five-star match.

All right, we're in the categories. Most re-watchable scene, Howard Marks is about to kill his wife.
Yeah.

Let's just say up front, there are great scenes in this movie, but this is a great sequence movie. Oh, yeah.
Where it'll be like one scene bleeds into the next, you know what I mean?

Chase into a chase. Yeah.

It's difficult to say like whether or not it's. Are there three scenes in the Howard Marks thing? The surgery scene and then the scene after that, the spiders.

Yeah, Howard Marks is red ball. Yeah.
So we learned that the red ball killings still occur. It's It's like they don't spend 10 minutes explaining it.
They're just like, oh, this is a red ball.

It's like, what's a red ball? And you just kind of get sucked in. Right.
And the idea is basically that premeditated murder is almost extinct because people know they will be caught. Yeah.

One of the cool things about this movie is this is a pretty far-fetched, crazy premise. And you get it within 10 minutes.
Yeah. It's like, we're trying to stop all, this is the pre-crime division.

We're trying to prevent all crime. We have these three.
fucking bald women in the in the water who can see stuff ahead of time.

And if they tell us, they'll send a red ball and we got to stop it before it happens. Yeah.
Yeah. And boom.
I get it. And like the passion of the crime and the humanity of it matter, right?

Because they can't, there are a couple of crimes that they can't stop. Yeah.
But murder is, it triggers the precogs. And then I like the merry-go-round thing where Cruz is like

with his hands moving. Yeah.
And then figures out that it's a merry-go-round.

Good scene all around. Next one.
Cruz figures out the Leo Crow murder and sees himself.

You're going to kill me.

Goodbye.

Wait.

You say something, Chief?

No.

A very cool scene. That is

just a brilliant scene. He's got the people up there.
He's got his guy behind him. He has to steal the ball, and he's figuring out for himself the shock of it.

This is why I always say that, and people are going to say, Tom Cruise is actually underrated as an actor to me. I totally agree.

He's because when you see everything that's going on, he's doing so many different things emotionally. And the audience is basically reading it from his face.
And it's fantastic.

You're talking to a guy who thinks he should have been nominated for cocktails.

For cocktail. Yeah, he's amazing.
This is, remember when we were doing Wick and we talked about the moment Wick goes up to the nightclub bouncer? Yeah.

That until he falls off the balcony in the nightclub and it's like 11 minutes or something like that. I'm like, that's like the best 11 minutes of action movies.
The moment from when Wally says,

I like you, Chief. That's why I'll give you two minutes before I hit the alarm.
That's the 40th minute. Yeah.
To where Anderton pulls out in the new car. is 55 minutes.
It's a 15-minute run. Wow.

And it is fucking pure. I have two.
Yeah, I have almost two scenes in there. Yeah.

I feel like Jack Sanders would give me two minutes to get out of here. Oh, yeah.
I think so. Jack, I feel like you give me the two minutes.
Wait a minute.

Did you just make Jack the weird fucking temple pre-conk kissing the unconscious woman?

Jack, bruh, stand the fuck up to yourself right now. It was a compliment.

I just think Jack would do that. I like your chief.
I'm going to give you two minutes.

Spotify security? I wouldn't be. Dan's telling me right away.
It's like, here he is. Get him.
Actually, y'all don't even know me because I'd be like, I'd help you escape. Yeah, that is true.

I'd help you get out of here. Jack can't talk.
He's in a pool of milk.

Jack, he made you. He just, that's how built.
I was complimenting him. Weird, kissing,

that's bullshit.

You stop.

The elevator ride with Colin Farrell is good. That scene.
Great scene. We get a 2054 car chase.

We get Max Von Saito. Now that you've seen this movie a bunch of times,

C. Dow, yeah.
Just for all my Max guys out there, you know, I just didn't want you to. I never knew that.
Yeah. Max Von C.
Dow. I thought it was.
Yeah.

Max. I defer to you, Bob.
I never knew that. As Dr.
Charles Nichols, which you realize this as you're watching this, yeah. I mean, if you, if you know who Richard,

where are you?

I love that guy in those movies.

This has two. This has the I like you, chief guy.
I love when that guy's in any movie where it's guys like, I could probably, but just go and then I'll do it.

And then uh, the Charles Nichols and then Cruz jumping on the Jetson scars

is phenomenal.

Um, and then which leads to the next scene I just wrote down: Cruise gets away from eight guys,

Cruise runs,

Pete Cruise Running,

Fire Escape Jetpack Fight. Yep.

Cruise jumps

50 stories, possible nitpick because he's climbing a fire escape for like what

nine stories but then falls 50 stories oh just i it's go ahead noted um

i love when the jump like the skydiver move where you you don't have a pack but you jump on the other skydiver so they have that I really like when somebody crashes through an apartment, but they show the people in the apartment not doing anything.

Like, I'm just on my computer. And then Tom Cruise falls through.
More Cruise running. Crane fight with Colin Farrell.

I love that. Colin Farrell.
WW, Hell in the Cell, 1997 Crane Fight. Kisses his chain.
And you know, that's his little

gets a little fucking Irish on him.

And then

it ends with Cruise being embedded into Tesla. Yeah.

What a sequence. 15 minutes.
15 minutes. And also

so cool that Spielberg is like, I'm going to do the jetpack. fight, the jetpack chase.
And then you're like, oh, you're catching your breath. And he's like, not over yet, motherfucker.

We're going into a car factory and we're going to throw cranes at this guy.

And every part of it has the little futurist elements. The little

stun gun where you whip that motherfucker around and then you shoot it again. Then they're fighting.
Then

another futurist element, a totally automated car factory that no human workers in it. People are fighting.
Nobody is stopping to go, hey, stop fighting. Go get the super.
Right.

Well, get the good foreman. Like the car gets built around him and then he drives around it.
A completely consistent movie the entire way.

And it's such a great image because he's being like hemmed in by all this technology anyway. So he's being like imprisoned in the automation of all this stuff.

And you get your product placement in there. Yeah.
Lexus. Lexus?

Short scene, but the Cruise flashback to when he loses his kid is good with the breath holding and the foreshadowing.

Next one I have is Blind Cruise moves through the decrepit apartment building as the ID spiders come after him.

Be quiet and close the door.

I think I have a hundred.

We got an ID. It's not him.

Standing down.

Let's see.

Absolutely. Spielberg in his bag.
The overhead shot of all the little rooms, the people having sex, people fighting, but stopping for just one second so that the spiders can scan their retinas.

Unbelievable. You can see when other people have jacked Steven Spielberg, right? Yeah.
Because he, that's the first time I had seen that. I'm sure someone had did it before.

But then I think immediately, well, that's John Wick 4, and the, you know, when you're when he's got the dragon's breath shotgun and he's doing the whole deal, it's fantastic.

And that's also one of the, to me, scenes in the movie that's the most heavily influenced by the Matrix. Just those little spider guys coming up.
Oh, that's another influence. Yeah.

I have two things off this scene.

Spielberg was going to create the air bubbles rising with CGI,

and Tom Cruise said, Steve. I got you.

Give me some time to figure out how to do this myself.

Which leads us to a brand new award on the rewatchables.

The Tom Cruise learned how to do it himself award,

which goes to Tom Cruise.

Steve, just give me two weeks to figure out this air bubble thing. This is the reverse of the...
There's no bigger maniac who's not in prison than Tom Cruise.

Like, just think of him in bodies of water with like spotters

and then popping up and going, how many with the air bubbles? Well, that's the, isn't that the Matt Damon joke? Who told that story where it's like

where he's like, Tom Cruise is like planning the stunt for like eight years and the safety guy is like, you can't do it. We can't assure this.
So I got a new safety guy.

Right. Right.

Remember like the video, the audio that came out?

when Tom Cruise was explaining to the people on set how important what it is that he was doing is like remember that yeah was that that like on the set of like the mummy or something no it wasn't from the mummy it was i think it was either from it was recent it was like it was during covet he was yelling at everybody yeah i think it was mission yeah it was one of the missions and he was like we're trying to save movies here yeah and people thought that that was going to be a clip that made people like not like to people were like yeah like yeah

the best was when he broke his ankle jumping and then just kept running because he didn't want them to lose the scene and his fucking ankle was snapped like he was it was that guy, Kevin Ware, the Louisville guy.

Yeah. And he's just like, Let me, let me fucking drag my leg because I don't want to lose this shot.
Like, Cruz is nuts. He is.
He's, he's, there's nobody like him. So that's one.

And then the other one,

top four blind guy scene of all time.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's everything.

I have a real like phobia ick about eye stuff just because, like,

and

I. So I have two nominees, and I don't know what the third one is.
The blood sport fight with Von Dom

when he when Chong Li

That one

Son of a Woman Dancing. Yeah.
Son of a Woman Dancing. That one.
And there's probably one more. So this is three.
I don't know what the fourth. member of Mount Rushmore is for blind guy.

Let us know in the comments what blind Mount Rushmore is. Craig, do you have any blind guy thoughts um no i wasn't prepared for blind guy

blind mount rush more we're still one short yeah anyone has any nominations below we have comments on spotify now oh good comments great um

next one i have is cruise takes the prec to duizel zappa's club yeah i think i saw van in one of the rooms i i rewound it that's so funny i thought i saw you in there what would you be doing if you could do anything in one of those clubs you know virtual what i would be like virtual I know everyone wants to zero vans gonna be having a virtual orgy or something like that, but that's not what it would be.

I would be,

I would be, everybody thinks that I would be virtual LSU quarterback. Yeah.

That's what I would be. Oh, that's virtual LSU quarterback.
All right, guys, we're gonna go Y dig

X go Z. No, this is O2.
You're just handing it off, man.

There's no spread offense yet. Yeah, that is true.
Way more physical game back then. I would do a virtual hunt for an October rewatchables because I can't do that in real life.
Oh, it's on the list.

I really like Duizel Zappa's club, but I like futuristic.

Total Recall has this too, where they it's like the one place they can get super fun in a sci-fi thing where it's like, oh, there's going to be a nightclub or like an orgy place, and they'll just, it's nuts.

All right, two more. Cruise has to kill Leo Crow.

You still have a choice.

Mike Bender? Yeah. Mike Binder? Binder.
Mike Binder? Yeah.

Or Binder. Yeah, I'm not sure.

I think it's Binder.

I'm certain it's Max Von Cito, but I do not know about Mike Bender. He's the Mind of a Married Man Guy.
Yeah. Yeah.

Not a good show.

Just not good.

Not a good, not one of HBO's best efforts. But he's also, he's a writer director.
Did he direct Indian Summer? Oh, no, I love that movie.

The one he did that was interesting was that one with Costner and Joan Allen. I thought that was pretty good.
Is that Costner and Joan Allen?

Whatever that that movie was, when Joan Allen's a divorced lady with kids and falls for Kevin Costner.

It's solid. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
What movie is that? Listen, I'm sorry. I'm a Costner fan.
Oh, there you go.

Sorry, I'm a fan of one of the great actors of the last 40 years. I fuck with him, too.

I'm going to give a borderline.

Maybe could have toned back Agatha a tiny bit in this scene. In Leo Crowe? Yeah, in the movie theater.
I remember seeing this in the theater and my big nitpick was like, Agatha's just a bad hang.

Well, she's a psychic who's been living in a pool of milk. So, I get it.
Yeah, I think she's got some big emotions.

She can't walk because I get it. I've just

found her disturbing. Yeah, right.
I think that was kind of the point. But I get it.
But that is kind of not a fun hang. That is kind of one of Agatha.
Bad hang. That is kind of a tough Tinder swim.

You know that you would immediately take Agatha to the sports book and just be like, well, I have you here.

She's yours. Do you think Nomar gets into you hit tonight?

What do you know about hockey?

Keynes Oilers? Anyone?

Last one. Lamar Burgess gets caught.

This is basically the fugitive. I don't know why we ran back the fugitive, but we're doing all the same beats.
We have the, there's a banquet. He's being celebrated.

He gets found out by our hero who is the fugitive. And

I wrote down, is there a better time to spring the I know you didn't move than when somebody's being honored at a banquet and there's just people in tuxedos?

That's probably the number one spot, right? Yeah. What else would you do? I mean, they can't do anything.
So you're most rewatchable is that 15-minute stretch?

Yes, but can I throw two more in there just because I have some Dion Waiters nominees later and I would be remiss if I didn't highlight their scenes. I love the greenhouse.

It's such a crazy gear shift. And that's amazing.
That's freaks me out, but I'll allow it.

Her improvising on set, kissing him, and that's Tom Cruise's real reaction because she didn't say, I'm going to kiss you on the lips here. Yeah.
Great.

And also just explains everything that's going on in the movie. And then

just the Peter Stormar eye surgeon,

you know, disgraced plastic surgeon who's like, remember me? You know, you put me away.

And Miss Van Eck, you know, the Russian or the Swedish nurse that he has, just really creepy and pure Philip K. Dick.

I have the only one that did you it's not mentioned is the first meetup between Colin Farrell and Tom Cruise. Oh, yeah, the feel out.

Yeah, the feel out where he rolls the ball and goes, hey, you caught that. Where they're two different perspectives on pre-crime are clashing.
Like, that's one of the best scenes in the movie.

That's a good pew-pew moment for you. Good pew pew moment.

Pew pew in there. What the hell? What do you mean by that? No, just like the what you went big picture for us.

Like

you pew-pewed us.

I have the 15-minute stretch as well. Yeah.

But that's about as good as it gets, man.

I got to say,

the ID spiders are fucking incredible.

And the way they shoot and where you can see all these different kinds of CD apartments and rooms.

And then how he tries to beat the spiders.

He's afraid to go blind. Do you think he's going to beat him? And then he doesn't beat them.
He doesn't beat them.

He just says everything about the way the society is structured in that world where all these people living in this tenement are like, this is just a fact of life that I have to allow this fucking

robotic spider to scam my retina while I'm in the middle of fighting with my wife. That's something to do with the Clipper games.
See?

No banners, but you get to, they get to, they're in the battlefield. You get to see and then those robotic spiders crawl out.

But to that point, though, they've traded that in order to have a society with no murders. So it's like even litigating what they have.
Craig, what do you have for most rewatchable scene?

I agree with CR. I think that that action sequence in that like factory is the the most entertaining part of the movie to me.
Okay.

What's the most 2002 thing about this movie? Still normal Tom Cruise.

No social media in the 50-year future of things.

Yeah. Social media is not in this movie.
They didn't realize what was about to happen. I mean, it's

yeah. Also, like the idea that it's like

that the person is reading USA Today rather than like, you know, I have a cutting-edge virtual USA Today in 2002 made sense. I got one too.
Young mustache Colin Farrell is the other one I had.

What do you have? Physical media.

His memories of his son aren't streaming.

He has to get little discs out and put them in there. It's one of the things they got wrong.

One last one, which I think is the winner. The TV show Cops being integrated in a 2054 movie scene.

Cops is long gone. Yeah.
It made sense in 02, though.

I would just say probably the introduction/slash warnings of government surveillance and overreach coming out of 9-11, which is like he's, you know, I don't remember when the Patriot Act is exactly passed, but like this is right around when it's like, are we sure we want to have like unconditional surveillance powers?

Like

speak to that. Yeah.
Right.

The okay motherfucker award for the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch. Cruise gets grabbed by the precog.

Oh. Or would you go...
Oh, I go him and Neil McDonough and him being like, everybody runs. And then Steven Spielberg stages an actual jetpack fight.
Yeah.

Have you ever seen the behind the scenes for that scene?

No. It's fucking mind-blowing.
First of all, like the, it's on wires, but it's all happening practically on a set. And Spielberg is basically like...

It's like he's culturing. He's like, we're going to do this and then I'm going to come here.
Tom, I need you for two seconds to say this. Cut.
Okay, moving on. And he's just like breaking down.

It's one of the coolest, like, behind-the-scenes five-minute videos you can see because it's just like Spielberg with like basically no storyboard being like, this, okay, cut.

Now I want you to do this. Tom, one more time.
Thank you. Awesome.
And it's like, he just pieces this thing together in his head. It's amazing.

You think Spielberg's a genius? What? Yeah. Like a real genius.
Yeah. No, no, I think to be able to see story and execute it to that level.
I think he's an actual genius. Yeah, I agree.

Because I think the word genius gets thrown around a lot.

Okay.

This would be a good podcast where we just decide if somebody's a genius or not each episode. I think to me, it's no-brainer.
Maybe it'd be a two-minute podcast.

Well, no, I mean, I think that, well, I guess the question would be. They replaced the

genius.

I mean, actually, the question would be not who is a genius, but it would be who isn't one. Because of all those high-level directors,

some of them are probably just great workmen. and understand film, but then some of them are able to do things and translate story and emotion in a way that is just innate in a way.

They just understand what people need to see and need to feel. It's almost like the fantasy brain in your head,

you can see it and translate it as a director.

And only, I think, a few people can actually do that where they can just be like, I see this room and I storyboarded this before and the curtains get, and they just like.

they're in some fucking alternate universe as they're in the real universe.

I have three Tom Cruise awards in a row for you. Oh, the Tom Cruise Award for most awkward moment when when someone kisses Tom Cruise.
That goes to Dr. Iris kissing Tom Cruise.
Yeah.

The Tom Cruise Running Award for best running in a movie.

I think it's Tom Cruise, but I thought Farrell had a nice little moment there with the skid. Yeah.
So I don't know. Do you want to

run off? It was pretty good.

Tom gets it going. And he comes around the corner.

And then in a movie when Tom starts running, you go, man, Tom is the best running guy in a movie that we've seen. But then Pharrell comes right around and you go, Pharaoh, you run as well.

He's a good athlete. And then he did Miami Vice, and he probably hasn't run since then.

The only Tom Cruise would do this award

could be telling Spielberg he's got the little drops of oxygen, shaving his head at the end for,

I don't really feel like

they're not going to be able to do it. Well, they should have said because they put him in the prison thing and they have to put the halo on his head.
But they could have bald capped him.

She's like, no, actually shave it.

And then Cruz's eyes actually being held back by those metal sticks, yeah which seemed real i think that's the winner just thank god he is like i want to replace my own eyeballs yeah

he probably asked yeah

he's like what if we actually replace my eyes they're like

steve i've got a crazy idea crazy idea there's these other eyeballs

what's age the best

What do you guys see? All the noir Philip K. Dick elements.
PKD loves a blind drug dealer. He loves

a disgraced plastic surgeon. He loves a wheelchair-bound prison supervisor.
Like all of these kind of broken, damaged people are very big factors in his books.

And it was cool to see them show up in the movie in some way because Spielberg is usually a little bit more shiny-happy.

The moving things, thingy, like him moving stuff around. Way better than disclosure.
Okay, so

disclosure, man. Yeah.

That aged really well. First of all, like it does it in Iron Man, but then like my Apple Vision Pro, which I'm back on.
Oh. Oh, you're, you bought bought the dip.

I'm back on the Apple Vision Pro because they upload, they, they updated the NBA app on it.

Fucking fantastic. Okay.
Fantastic. Back on it.
But, you know, I'm doing that. I'm moving stuff around and the whole deal at that age really well.

I had Cruz using his hands to read pre-crime stuff. Yeah.

But added, you know, he studied like Tai Chi or some sort of something to learn. Like he definitely had some sort of instruction

for how to make the moves. I'm just going to read you what I wrote about Agatha.

Samantha Morton as Agatha is so creepy and weird. It's a great performance.
And I also kind of hate her in this movie. But I think it's a great performance.
But she's a rough hang.

She's a rough performance. But a rough hang in this movie.

Intentionally. It has to be that way.
Well, yeah. I mean, she kind of jerks you out of the kinetic energy of the movie a little bit.
And I mean, she's the victim of the movie. Yeah.

And so she has to like stop the momentum of everything that's happening and like humanize the movie a little bit. And I think you probably like didn't want that.
You just wanted your popcorn.

It's just, it's, it's tough. It's interesting.
It's tough character. When we get to casting what ifs, it's an interesting conversation.

So Danny says, how much time do we have after Cruz kidnaps Agatha? And a pre-crime officer says 51 minutes, 30 seconds.

Steve Spielberg, our guy, that's exactly the amount of time until the end of the movie oh he goes real time he says that

i said people doing normal stuff in their room or kitchen when somebody suddenly crashes through it and then uh tom crew says the title in the movie which you know i love i uh also love adult spielberg so this is a movie with sex adultery drug use murder you know like it's still the spielberg version of it but it's he's got it he's got it the guy's howard marks his wife in the beginning isn't riding anybody or anything but the woman in the tenman is the woman in the apartment building is riding yeah

it's it's i think he has a complicated relationship with this stuff with what sex yeah you don't think he likes it i think it makes him nervous sex makes him nervous yeah you talked to him about it

i'll bring it up if i if i run into this one what do you got for great shot gordo i got two uh i love the scene when they are in the leo crow apartment building lobby and both of their heads are in the frame and they both you know they've both like kind of like it almost looks like agatha is an extension of his consciousness.

But the best shot is definitely the overhead of all the apartments being invaded by the spiders. Yeah.
That is the best shot of the movie.

There's a shot at the end where the movie reminds you that you're in Washington, D.C.

Von Cito. Von Citao.
Von Citao. I think.
He's talking to Tom and the Washington Monuments in the back and like, you know where you are. But then I point out one,

like. This is the kind of stuff that Spielberg does.
I'm going to show this to Chris. See this?

That's the little bit of extra stuff. So that's the scene that's in

where they're talking and Neil McDonough's character,

the camera pants back behind his head, and he like splits them.

And visually, Spielberg just says, these are two guys on

opposite sides. And he uses a character in the movie.
to break them apart as they're facing each other.

Little stuff like that that throws you into the film.

There's tons of video essays you can watch on YouTube that are talk about this broadly and then specifically with Minority Report is basically the way Spielberg will do what other people usually do, like multiple camera setups and editing to shoot a conversation, right?

So, like if we were three of us talking, there would be a camera, camera, camera ID, and then a master shot, and he would cut between those angles.

But what Spielberg can do in this movie is go into Bill.

Now I'm going to pan back towards the LaCroix can, but then I'm going to whip pan over. And Chris is looking at Van, and I move slowly to Van.
And it's like, there's four shots in one shot.

We have to get like a, what are those called? Those things you put over the cans?

Beer cozy?

Yeah. We need like a ringer or somebody should make us a rewatchables beer cozy.
Okay. Do you know what I love? I feel like LaCroix just gets like free advertising every episode.

Let me tell you what I loved. I do like LaCroix, though.
This is, this is,

I have to name this. Yeah.
What CR was just saying was this really brilliantly technical.

I had nothing to add.

It was a great point.

Oh, wow.

It was great. I had nothing to add.
Bill goes back. That's cool.
Yeah. I was just moving on to the next thing.
We call that the Simmons sound.

It's like he acknowledges that you're there, but it's not like, oh, let's get into it. It's fine.
I think it's great.

Bill goes. It's hard to host.

Bill goes, you know what we should

Because I was listening to you talk and I felt like I was filming a LaCroix commercial and then I got self-conscious about it. Enthralled.
I was enthralled too.

Oh, God. Cape County Pursuit Happiness Award, Best Needle Drop.
Is Moon River in this Moon River? I didn't hear one from the corner. I had the theme song from cops.

It is, Chris, or at least I heard that as well. Yeah.
When he's walking through the mall, it's playing, right? That's right. That's right.
Big Kahuna Burger Award, Best Use of Food and Drink.

Flying Cruise, eating a bad sandwich and eating gross milk. Fucking disgusting.
Why is that stuff in there with a nice, healthy sandwich? Because they're fucking with him, right?

I always thought that they were fucking with him.

I think they were fucking with him. Yeah, it's also like the idea that, like, he's not the first guy to be in this apartment, blind, waiting for his timer to go off.

So it's like somebody else was in there. The Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers Award for best character name.
Lamar Burgess. Pretty good.
I have Agatha Dash and

he's 13th now in Todd McShay's draft.

Lamar burgess yeah good

senior year as a receiver yeah okay

what i was asking what position he plays lamar burgess how many weight lamar burgesses would you think would be in the nfl draft that's true nose tackle yeah oh big d tackle from like selma like he used to weigh 360 but now he's 325 he's got down shape of his

he's firing let me tell you who i really love that nobody's talking about troy's lamar burgess this kid's a fucking animal yeah

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Service is not available in all areas. All right, CR, what do you got? Flex category.
I got Teddy KGB Award for actor doing his own thing for Peter Stormar, the plastic surgeon. Our guy.

You know who that is.

Peter Stormer? From Fargo, from

where else? 8mm.

Oh, 8mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Dino Velvet. Dino Velvet.

R guy. The Russian cosmonaut and Armageddon.
Just really.

Satan.

We may have low-key done like six Peter Stormar movies. Should we do the that guy, like what I did with the Basketball Hall of Fame Pyramid?

Should we just do the that guy Hall of Fame Pyramid with five levels? Yeah. That Stormwire to me is at least

the fuck up there. He might even be level five.
He makes every single movie that he is in better. You always notice him, but it's never like a huge role.
Yeah.

Well, it's just so fascinating because he gives Tom Cruise anesthetic. Like as soon as he walks in, he basically knocks him out.

And then he just like dances around Tom Cruise and chews scenery for five minutes. I'm like, does anybody ever done this to Tom Cruise before?

Where Tom Cruise has got to be like, oh, like he's in a scene with Joaquin Phoenix and Nick Cage just blowing them off the set.

I love that guy.

Butch's girlfriend, weak link of the film.

I don't,

I don't really have one. Do you like Lara? I thought Lara, I thought it was going to be either Lara, Lara, or Agatha.
The Tom Cruise wave. Category shouldn't always be like the woman.

It's just the Lara character is not that dynamic.

I guess for me, probably the weakest piece of the movie is.

Max just fucking up and saying the girl drowned. Yeah.
And then

like he's, this guy is so smart. He's fucking replacing pre-crime memories and he's just seven steps ahead of everybody.
Recreating murders.

And then all of a sudden he's just like, yeah, the drowned girl. She's like, what do you mean? I never said she drowned.
It just feels like a... Doesn't make any sense.

That's probably my butcher's girlfriend. Woodsage the worst.

No cell phones.

Cruise jumping cars on the fake highway is the only part of this movie that doesn't look CGI'd. But I think if they do it in 25, they just have have better technology.

Futuristic misses, those thin glass data slides you mentioned earlier, the physical media.

I don't know. Feels like easy to shatter, easy to break.
It's a very

should they have covers? Like, I that shit would be on the cloud, man. Yeah.

But it's the best part of the movie, and it's why people are like, I don't really want to make movies about cloud and iPhones.

Because it's just like, I want to have the thing that we have to roll out. Now we would just have the cloud.

there's a stretch here with the long stretch with Dr.

Iris, right into the crazy eye doctor, where nothing's happening for about 25 minutes, and there's such an adrenaline rush before they bring you back down.

It's a little long, it's it's like

I'm gonna go get popcorn, he's going down the hole there.

Talking about when he when he gets into her and the fucking plants come alive and all of that stuff, yeah, well, the plants coming alive, just it seems like a different movie to me.

I think on purpose, though, I think it's supposed to be like you, he's now passed into the realm of like fantasy and

yeah, exactly. Fox did a remake series in 2015 that I forgot about.

Didn't last.

Dr. Iris says the precogs abilities are the result of brain damage caused by parents being addicted to neuron

during pregnancy.

Don't do neuron when you're pregnant. It's a what's age the worst for me? Like, care about your kids, even though new rhyme's not an actual drug.
Uh, what do you got for what stage the worst?

I didn't, uh, I just, I just can't handle eye stuff from Clockwork or Orange On. When they started fucking with myself, number one, yeah, eating gross shit.

I just can't, when he eats, every time he eats the shit and he drinks it, can't physical media thing. And literally, the, the, uh,

the CGI when they're jumping around, that's like Star Wars prequel level, this is fake, yeah, type of shit. Yeah, and that's unfortunately 02 is right around.

We had some stuff figured out, but others. I mean, they're able to do the Matrix.
So it's pretty good. It looked as it looked better than it had ever looked up to that point.

But the jump between now and then like 2008 when Iron Man comes. It's like fucking sinners.
It's like Michael B. Jordan just playing two parts next to each other for two and a half hours.
Yeah.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge over Acting Word. I know that's an easy one.
What do you got? Zakatha. I mean, not over, I mean, just it's a turning it up to fucking 14.

I don't, I don't mind it as much as you do, but like screaming, yelling. It's a borderline you could throw her in the category.
Oh,

the Agatha overacting word. Yeah.
When he's about to kill Mike Binder

and they do a couple ISO shots of her just screaming her fucking head off, it's like, okay, let's take, let's cut one back.

Go back, girl. And she wait a second.

Dan, what do you have for a flex category? Best dick ever. Okay.

So it's a all mine is always a list, and I want CR,

our

resident dick head here, to

what are the best Philip K. Dick movie adaptations? Oh.
So I got Minority Report. I thought that was going to be the AVN award for a second.

Jesus. Minority Report, Total Recall, Scanner Darkly, Blade Runner.
And then I put the Adjustment Bureau on there because I love that movie. Am I leaving anything off?

I don't think so. There have been some like animated series and series where it's like riffing on themes from his works, but I think those are the big ones.
I would put Blade Runner number one.

Blade Runner number two.

So give me a ranking. I would go Blade Runner, Total Recall,

probably Blade Runner, Minority Report, Total Recall, and then Scanner Darkley, even though Scanner Darkley in some ways is the most Philip K. Dick thing.
Are you an adjustment bureau guy? I'm not.

You're not. Are you an adjustment bureau guy? No.
Interesting. No, sir.

I think I agree with CR's list, but I think total recall is also the one.

If I was trapped on a desert island, that's when I had ones.

I'd probably take that one. Yeah.
To me, that's the best one. Because you get the three boob ladies if you get the total recovery.
Yeah, it's the best. Oh, no, actually, you know what?

It's not the best one. Yeah, it's just the best one.
It's the most entertaining, rewatchable of all. But Blade Runner is the best one.
Blade Runner is the best one. Yeah.

It's like how Raging Bull is awesome, but you wouldn't want to watch Raging Bull. Yeah, you'd rather watch like Rocky or something, but yeah.

Do you know that in like 2006,

somebody made a Jake LaMotta movie? because it was on cable. Are you serious? I've never heard of this.
And it was like Jake LaMotta. And it was like something.
I forget who the actor was.

It was like, can you imagine being like,

you know what? We might be, yeah, might be time to re-explore Jake LaMata.

The ball's on that fucking guy.

Hey, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take a word.
Ben, do you have one? I do not. I have one.
I'll do one for you. Yeah.
Precogs,

the greatest professional sports gambling weapon ever created in a movie, hands down.

Yeah, there's a whole subplot movie with precogs, like just basically making all these money for gamblers and then being on the run.

If you're John Andreton, just make the run to Vegas with Agatha while you can't or Atlanta. It's closer to Atlantic City, yeah.

Or got it. The guy has

access to the pre-cogs. And look, the villain here is a villain.
He killed someone, but he also kind of,

I mean,

he's kind of got some points, right? He tries to stop murder. I wouldn't have tried to stop murder if I had the precogs.
If I had to

use them financially, we're running it up. Yeah.
We playing the market. We're doing all kinds of stuff.
We're doing all kinds of stuff. We're running it up.
He did something for the public.

That's true. In a bad way.
Precog has Oilers game two.

Goal and a half. Put Agatha, put a plus 150.
Put a nice visor on. I love taking the idea of like this person is telepathic.
It is telepathy. Yeah.
Connor McDavid, two goals.

All right. Do you have a how to stick your name? Yeah.
So this one is from the perspective of Howard Marks. Let's say you're Howard, right? Yeah.
Aren't you like,

why don't we just stop my wife from cheating?

Why don't we like, why don't, like, if we, if you can see the whole crime, wouldn't it be better if Anderton came by and was just like, don't cheat on Howard. He's going to flip out if you do that.

So go through further back. Yeah.
Or just like, why is the precog only paying attention to the end result like murder and not the pre-triggering event?

Right. Because if you're Howard, you're like, I never would have considered killing my wife unless she cheated on me.

So if you could just go back in time, couldn't somebody be like, hey, we got to yank this guy who's like going to cheat on

really kind of fucks over Howard a little bit. Well, I mean, I understand that the ultimate crime is murder, right? Like the people are going to cheat on each other.

People are going to have feelings for one another.

But it is kind of like for that kind of crime of passion, it seems like if she hasn't cheated, he's like, oh, I thought maybe we could go to lunch together.

So you don't stop Rich Paul from saying that Chris Bosch wasn't really a big three. You go back further

and stop LeBron James from hiring Rich Bosch.

That's your move.

Then we don't have the Chris Bosch thing anyway, but yeah, exactly. Okay, I got you.

Casting with ifs.

This was option 1992 is the sequel to Total Recall with Schwarzenegger. Yep.

And Carol Co Productions, which we've talked about, Carol Call Pictures, which we've talked about on a couple Kyle Brandt rewatchables,

filed for bankruptcy. And there's a documentary about this whole thing.
So it got worked into a different thing. Jan Dubont came in 97.

And then

that didn't work out. And then the biggest casting would have for this was Spielberg comes on,

offers the role, the Colin Farrell role to Matt Damon,

offers Dr. Iris to Meryl Streep,

offers Lamar Burgess, 320-pound nose tackle, to Ian McKellen,

offers Agatha to Kate Blanchette,

and offers Lara to Jenna Elfman.

And Streep declines, Damon's doing Ocean's 11,

everybody else follows. Kellen's in the two towers.
Yeah. Javier Bardem

then offered the Whitwer role, the Confire role. He can't do it either.
Do you see why he turned it down? No. He said he didn't feel like chasing Tom Cruise around for an entire movie.
That's funny.

Wow. Yeah.

And now he's going to be chasing Brad Pitt around in F1.

Saw that trailer yesterday. Yeah.
I'm in. You're way up on it.
I'm in. It's Days of Thunder with F1 cars.
I'm in. I can't tell what it's really about.

I'm still going to go there. It's about an older racer and a younger racer.
It's just, it looks cool. They've never tried that.

It looks cool, but I still haven't seen the thing that makes me go, oh, Jesus Christ, I got to see F1. Best That Guy Award.

Obviously, it's going to be Dino Velvet from 8mm, unless you think Peter Stormore is his own guy.

I think he's Peter. Not only is he his own guy, he's in the Deion category.

I had Patrick Kilpatrick, who is the guy standing next to Sean McDonough, or Steve Harris, but I don't know if Steve Harris maybe in movies. Yeah, movies, he might be.
Yeah, I had Steve Harris.

You know who I have? Eric Gross is Eric. But I think he's Eric Gross.
He's Airy Gross to me. He's in Perfect Strangers.
Yeah. Perfect Strangers, star of one of my favorite movies, The Experts.

Oh, John Travolta, Kelly Preston? Fake John Travolta, Kelly Preston. Like, I'm telling you, you guys go watch the experts.
The fake town in Russia that doesn't mind the experts.

Yeah. Yeah.

I vote for Steve Harris. He's the black guy who works for Cruise for people as things.
Wood Harris's brother.

Really? Yeah.

Why wasn't he in the wire? That's what.

He couldn't have been like. I don't know that there's a

cast.

It could have been like Don Barksdale, like his brother that comes in for one episode.

Don Barksdale. That's Wood Harris's brother.
Yeah.

Deion Waiters.

We have our guy, Peter Stormer.

With Duizel Zappa? Yeah. Tim Blake Nelson? Dr.
Iris? I would say Lois

Dr. Iris and also Tim Blake Nelson as Gideon.
The century, yeah.

I would go Dweezel. Oh, I'm doing a lot in four minutes.
I'm going Stormer. Yeah, it's an easy one right there.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Stormer. Yeah, you're right.
You're right.

Recasting Couch Director City. What do you got?

I think DC is a cool place to put this. I think it's like Boston.
It's consistent. Yeah.
Southie.

Minority Report in Southeast.

I'm so close. I wanted to.

I'm going to let you slide. Don't do it.
I'm not going to bring it up. I like it in D.C.
It feels like all the presidents, man. In New Orleans?

If the movie is called Minority Report and it's in Boston, it would be a different movie. New Orleans? New Orleans would be good.

Philly, you could do it in Philly. Running by the Liberty Bell, you know?

Is this a Miami movie? Oh.

I think you need a dense.

Miami's too happy.

I like the idea of like an old city that has been redone in the futuristic I think I the other place I was thinking was London Chicago but London's the obvious place to do it but that's not in America yeah um

recasting

for me um

can we test drive Jada Pinkett as Agatha

can give that a whirl Kate Blanchette is like an incredible shout but Kate Blanchette's like I don't know she's like one of the best actresses the last 25 years. Right in 02, she was like

still coming up. so after what happened with

you know morton is also really good in a lot of i get i get it i'm just like jay to pinko because she i like when she has a shaved head anyway so i'm gonna say you're gonna get chris over 30 years before different oscar she're rewriting history he makes the joke it's like yeah

portman's probably too young at that point

she's in her 20s I mean, she's, she's, she's in Star Wars at that point, where she's like, she's, she's like in the 18s 20s, yeah.

Can I uneasily test drive a casting suggestion for this to change the flavor of the movie a tiny bit? What about Hallie Berry?

Huh. In the pre-cog.
I think she's too, she's probably too on at this point. I would, I would go for Halle Berry as Lara

as the as the ex-wife. That'd be cool.

Future. Half-Fast Center research.
Cameron Diaz, Cameron Crowe, and Paul Thomas Anderson are on the subway uncredited.

In the Philip Dick novel, John Anderton is a balding, out-of-shape old man. Yeah.

He also at the end of, I think it will believe at the end of the novel, him and Lara get like basically kicked off of Earth. Yeah.

Kicked off of Earth. Yeah, it's not a happy ending.

Hold on, where did it go? It's like you're basically being transported to like another planet as a punishment. And Whitwer

is like takes over, essentially. In the book,

the precogs are intellectually disabled and deformed individuals. They decided that doesn't sound fun.

Spielberg said he wanted to give the movie a noir feel and threw himself a film festival that included asphalt jungle, key largo, Maltese Falcon, and they decided to deliberately overlight

the film and then bleach bypass the negative with our guy, Janush.

The Car Factory scene is based on

a never-shot sequence in North by Northwest that Hitchcock told Francois Truffaut about.

So like he took like the inspiration for that. I mean, he's just in, he's just fucking, he is hearing Jimmy in this movie.
He's just, do you know my Yanush connection? I do not.

So my daughter is in like,

Chris knows this, elementary school. Yeah.
And he's one of the other dads in my daughter's class.

And one year it was like second or third grade, he took all the pictures at like the end of the year thing. And it was Janusz Kaminsky, multiple Oscar winner cinematography.
So, you know,

normally you have these things and it's just like a bunch of like people taking iPhones, and it's a photo album. And this is like fucking the greatest.

Like a coffee table, just pictures of like seven-year-old little girls, like blowing bubbles in the air. Yeah, it's like this is fucking amazing.
Anyway, uh, similar to the fugitive,

Richard Kimball, John Anderton, framed for crimes they didn't commit,

both recognized on the subway by another passenger, Both consulted a colleague to unravel a clue.

Both pursued by a police officer and navigate through a crowded public place to try to lose them. Kimball dyes his hair.
Anderton has his eyes replaced.

Discovered they were set up by a colleague that they had been talking about the whole time and trusted and then blow them up during a ceremony celebrating that colleague.

You got neuronin, you got provasic.

What are they taking in the fugitive?

What's the drug that they're basic? Yeah. You'll have to excuse my friend, Dr.
Richard Kimball. He's been sick.
Is there a scene in this one that's parallel or something like the jumping off of the

jumping into the damn scene?

Probably the jetpack for

him. Find jumping? Where he just goes, what's another similarity? Whatever you do, you're not going to catch me.
I'm willing to jump off of the thing or do whatever. Yeah.

This is a borderline Sean Fantasy criteria orgasm, criteria and orgasm award, whatever we called that one. But criteria orgasm.
Criteria orgasm. Cruise confronts Max at the end.

He's wearing a dark hood.

And it's mirrors the opening of a 1957 movie called The Seventh Seal. Yes.
Oh, man. Yeah.
Yeah.

So there you go.

Apex Mountain. I got one for you.

What do you got? Have you ever heard of the made-up genre called Nokia Wave or Nokia Wave, depending on how you pronounce the Swedish phone company?

You know about this? I don't. So it's basically

an idea slash sub-genre that was coined by a critic named David Rudnick. And it

loosely spans from GoldenEye through the Born movies. So like 95 to like early 2000s.
And it's all about like, it's like enemy of the state. It's like Matrix.

It's stuff where it's like the technology is futuristic, but it's still tactile. So you were talking about like the little floppy disks, but it was basically clear disks.

People are still wearing earbuds, you know, like the phones are like almost there, but they're not super in the future. And everything is about paranoia and

a state surveilling you. And basically, this is like, it's this Ronin spy game, Mission Impossible.
bunch of these, but minority report is Apex Mountain for Nokia Wave.

Do you think that would make me watch more susies?

No, that was great.

That's great. They did it on purpose that time.
You know, that was great. No, you're right.
This was a four-year, yeah, four-year run of

inferior technology being presented as awesome technology. Yes, where it's like we can't get find Jason Bourne because like the internet is busy, like the modem is not working.

Almost like contemporary steampunk, yeah, like to where it's you know what I mean? That's a really good Apex Mountain.

Yeah,

Cruz, no,

Spielberg, no

Cruz Spielberg collapse,

yeah, because this is it. Yeah,

no, this is better than I love War of the Worlds, though. I think it's a real

I think War of the Time

throwing a throwing. He's just back as easy as Yankees fan in that movie.
Throwing the baseball at his son's face.

He just has to come and come out and say, I had a torn rotator cuff, but I've got to throw it.

Because I threw the baseball for seven straight months before filming because I wanted to get it right. Spielbergian shattered my rotator cuff.

Spielbergian techno no war, like between this and AI.

Oh, that's good. Yeah, I like this movie so much more than AI.
I really didn't feel like AI worked. Not a lot of AI conversations lately, although I guess the title is important.
Movie, though.

Yeah, I get it. Yeah.
How about Evil Max Characters? Because this wasn't the most evil. CR knows what the most evil is.
Strange Brew. No.

He was the good Nazi in victory. Oh, right.
Yeah.

The Nazis were all evil in Victory, but Pele's bicycle kick was so good, he stood up and applauded it.

But you know what? You're still fucking Nazi.

Yeah. Sorry, sorry, buddy.
Samantha Morton, Apex Mountain. It's her time, Morvin Cowler.
Yeah, I actually think she's a cooker right there.

Dorchester is Neil McDonough. No way.
No, hell no. No,

his Apex Mountain is a 25-year Apex Mountain. He got a deep bag.

He's a 25-year apex. He got a deep bag.
He got a deep bag of recognizable characters. Yeah.

When they first year, Yellowstone, I'm like, Neil's going to be in this. And in the second year, he is.
He's in there. Yeah.

Pre-cogs, definitely. Washington, D.C.
movies, no.

Pre-crime departments. I don't remember seeing this in another movie.

Predictive crime, yeah. Yeah, I don't think so.
Phil Dick movies. We just said we just said no.
Yeah. All right.
Cruise or Hanks, Scorsese, or Spielberg. This is the first time this has ever happened.

It's a double wow. Yeah.

What role would Philip Sigmar Hoffman have played?

No,

I have him in the Colin Farrell role. It's an interesting idea of him playing Witwer because it's a little bit more of a twerk, a little less hot, a little less like...

The fight scene suffers, probably. The fight scene suffers.

Maybe the running and all of that kind of he wasn't known for, but like he also was kind of sneaky, athletic, and people don't talk about it. Like, he was a good ball player and all of that stuff.

Yeah. He never really got into that bag on screen, I guess, that much.
But

he could have been the eye doctor. Oh, for sure.
Yeah, he could have an eye doctor. He could have been Gideon.

But I think he's the Duizo Zappa if we're doing this again. He just comes in hot for five minutes.
But in 2002, I'm like, yeah, he's just like doing a favor for Cruz, their buddies.

Craig's choice, flex category. What do you got, Craig? Well, I kind of want to do a hottest take, which is just that Lamar was super right and that we should get the precogs back in the milk.

And that even if it's like a 98% hit rate, what are we doing here?

This is the problem with his generation. See, I'm telling you, this is like, I want to take Waymo.
I want

a world without murder, even if innocent people are going to jail. Hey, spoiler alert.
Innocent people go to jail all the time. We have a 98% hit rate.

He means it. This is the problem.

This is an intellectual. What's our hit right now? Like 60%? I can tell you right now, 98%.
This is just average. Guys are clear.

I'm just running the numbers here. This still looks like a pretty good move to me.
See? Okay.

This would be an unbelievable first take segment. Think about what you give up, Craig.
We have to get the pre-cogs back in the water.

An ethically utilitarian generation.

I'm telling you.

Craig, I really enjoyed the take. Picking knits.

Swapping eyeballs. Let's like really talk about this.
I know the technology is going to be better in 2054 than it is now.

I don't know what century we're just going to be able to swap eyeballs. We're the guys out there in an action scene three weeks later.
Come on. Yeah.

Like, come on. I mean, yeah.

Like kidneys, I would, I get it.

But that one is,

that one's a little crazy.

Cruise just stumbles into the exact drowning of Anne Lively in about 20 seconds from the pre-cog thing.

I think it's the idea that the precogs are echoing that, like, they're trying to send a signal to him.

Because that's her mother. She keeps saying.
I know.

She says to him, you can see. She wants him to see it.
And then Lamar accidentally saying the girl drowned.

I'll add on to Lamar pylon. I don't really feel like Lamar shooting himself in the heart is like commensurate to the rest of the film's like imagination.

So when like it's just the two of them together and they're like,

I'm like, come on. You guys had a jetpack fight an hour ago.
F2. Yeah.

Who's in charge of updating the retinal files? What do you mean?

So Tom Cruise, his character, John Anderton,

is now a fugitive and on the run and an outlaw,

but his retinal

still gets you into the police station. Oh, who's like, why didn't they turn off his security badge?

Like you leave a place, like you fire, you get fired from a place, they discontinue your badge like right away. Yeah.
Yeah. But all the way to the end of the movie, he can still get into the

justice department. He's able to get in using his retinal file.
Like he's who's up. Who's in charge of the- Oh, that's the fucking one of the best picking nits I've heard in a long time.

Who's in charge of updating the retino files? It should not still be giving you access. Yeah.
Cut your car off right away. You can't get back in.
This is 2000, 2025. We would know this.

2002, they didn't think of it i'm just saying like they they get you out of it and then the other one is retinophiles the other one is this

so in the crime with the the pre-cog yeah the ann wiley the the crime right they come and get her murderer and then they just leave her there for her to be killed so they don't need her to come to the station and give a statement.

They okay. Right.
I think the idea is it's all staged, right? But I know what you mean, where the cops are like, you're good. See you later.

Yeah, the cops come get the guy, and then that allows Burgess to then kill her while the cops are gone. There's not a cop that goes, hey, I know this was traumatic for you.

They literally just leave her standing by the lake for him to come kill her. Well, in Craigs America, that's just how the cops are.

Keep the pre-cocks in going.

I'm Craig Horbach, and that's my 2054 stance.

Wait, I have a picking net. Yeah.

You'll have to talk me through this because maybe I'm not thinking about this right. But the whole John Anderton murder, the whole plot seems like a catch-22 to me because

Anderton would not have known about the Leo Crow thing unless Agatha told him or you know saw it. But Agatha would have never seen it

unless he was already destined to do it, which he couldn't have been because she's the reason why he was destined to do it. Craig, welcome to the world of dick, man.
This is what it's all about.

It's like the chicken or the egg. But that's the paradox.
Was you just the whole idea? Welcome to the world of dick. You know, it's like all of this.
It's like basically the whole idea.

Yeah.

I just got dicked.

When he's like,

it's what Colin Farrell's character is just like, if we, it's like, here's the paradox: is like, if you know the ball is going to drop, you catch it, whatever. That whole idea.

But I like the opening example in the film makes sense. It's like this guy's going, you know, theoretically going to kill his wife, but he still has a choice.

But the Anderton thing doesn't make sense because he literally would have never known about it had Agatha not told him.

But that's the whole thing is she's trying to knock down the dominoes that will eventually lead to like her mother's murder being solved.

It's like, Craig, it's like if Sacramento just takes Luka Donchich, number two,

then we don't anyway. We don't lose

a great year, yeah. Nico Harrison is just boys with everybody, and the Lakers are dying.
I would say, Craig, this was a source story written under a tremendous influence of drugs. Sure, yeah,

sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black casts are untouchable. Uh, prestige TV probably should have worked with this.
It feels like a show Apple would have made.

I think it would just be more heady and less fun and chase-oriented. Probably less toys because they wouldn't have the budget.
Although if they gave Prestige,

the Prestige morning show treatment money to this, Apple. 20 million an episode.
Yeah, it would just be like an advertisement for everything Apple's going to do in 10 years.

He's walking through the mall and it's just like iPad. Yeah.
I guess the phone. The question is, like,

when you do the prestige on this, do you do a one-season limited that kind of stretches out Anderton's story? Or do you leave pre-crime around

and do something based on that for like multiple seasons? Or would you do a prequel and it's like the first guy who gets caught by pre-cogs? Right. Because that guy probably was pretty salty.

Or you do, or you do all the minority reports. What about Law and Order pre-crime? Oh, shit.
Just like the cheap version of this. Yeah.

Just every episode. Not a lot of detective work.
It's like, oh, yeah, see, we got to just get this guy. It's basically just moving your hands around.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm?

CR. Honor of the NBA playoffs.
If DB was checking out a little minority report, we see you, Miss Agatha.

You've been swimming in the photon milk for all this time. Not just grinding tape, but making the tape for the pre-con police to act on.

But now you're out here in your gap finest, straight off the rack, living your best life. Don't let anyone tell you that you need the twins to see the future.

TV has really kind of taken on her own character now. It's not even really like a Doris Burke imitation anymore.
I don't know. We'll see her in the playoffs.
I don't know if that's far off.

I had...

I had Ryan Rucco and also an honor of the NBA playoffs.

Is Lamar Burgess going to take his life? You're not.

Just one Oscar who gets it. I honestly go Kaminski.
I think this movie looks so cool.

Yeah.

I think the way it's, it just, the vibe of it is so unique. It really stands out.
Even if you're flicking channels on cable and you stumble across it, it just looks different.

I like the idea, though, that this is like

hardly in the conversation of Spielberg's movie that missed out on an Oscar or should have, but what should have won an Oscar, but people still study it. Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?

It's a real testimony. No question.
Probably unanswerable questions. Did Howard Marks's wife deserve to die?

I mean, the fucking guy wasn't even in his car yet, and the next guy's coming over. I don't know.
That guy's. Did Howard have some good ideas?

You're going to come across the street. Jesus.

You can't even wait for five minutes.

Creep a fair guy. I don't know.
You need to go listen to the TK Kirkland interview on higher learning.

Let me tell you something.

I said it was unanswerable. I will tell you this.
No, but the answer is no. But I will say that that scene is really,

that scene is diabolical because

he's trying to convince her to have sex in the bed. Yeah.
And she's like not wanting to do it.

But saving it. But yeah, but she's like, I don't want to do it in our bed, in the bed that we share, even though the guy's already coming in the house.
He's like, nah, nah, fuck your husband.

Fuck your husband. And then he's right there with the fucking scissors.
But no, she didn't deserve to die. No.

Has any actor ever worn more masks in a movie than Tom Cruise? Oh, my God. I forgot about the paralytic that he shoots into his movie.
We didn't even talk about that. Yeah.
He loves a mask. Loves it.

I mean, how many, every Mission Impossible movie. Vanilla Sky.
Vanilla Sky.

This movie. It's got to be like two more.
Is he wearing a mask in Tropic Thunder? Is just a lot of makeup? Yeah.

Oh, that's a good question.

For Lev?

Maybe, maybe with prosthetics, maybe not a full mask. Yeah.
I love that he injects himself with that. And then, like, 20 seconds later, the pre-cut guy's like, hey, John,

it's also such like a

here's what you're going to do. You're going to shoot yourself this.
And it's like, this is not actually that important. No,

I have two really good ones. So, unless anyone has any other ones, I don't.
All right. First one.

What's the fan duel line on the crane fight with Farrell and Cruz, right? When

right when Farrell does his Irish thing and it's like, it's go time.

If that's real life on the crane, who wins? Well, I think it's like I'm going with the Irish guy. It is kind of like him up on Men Thompson's first playoff series.

We don't really know, we don't really see, we haven't seen Whitwear in that. I think he's like minus 310 over Cruise.
He's got size on him, he's younger.

And when he kisses the necklace, that's like that tells you he's been there before. Yeah, yeah.
Like he's had some scraps. And by the way, he starts off fucking him up.
So three to one? Three to one.

Ah,

three to one is a lot.

So you think there'd there'd be some cruise action and minus 240?

Or plus 240? Yeah.

Next one. Has Van ever typed in pre-cog in a porn search?

This might actually be answerable. Cog.

No, I haven't. Okay, good.

What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie? I would want the pre-crime screen, but only so that I can watch Second Spectrum and grind tape.

Split episodes. Look at this split action.

Drayvon's gonna get sick.

I have the rarely seen not want for this. Okay.
The eyeballs.

Imagine having those. Like, what are those? I have the eyeballs for minority parts.

Yeah.

The halo. I want the halo.
Oh, yeah. The halos are cool.
Coach Finnstock award, best life lesson.

I'm going to go with careful chief. You dig up the past.
All you get is dirty.

I don't know. Some sort of lifeless.
Okay.

I like everybody runs. Yeah.
Everybody runs. That's good.
Best double feature choice?

I had Edge of Tomorrow.

That's good. I had North by Northwest.

Oh, I was going to say War on the World, War of the Worlds, just to get the combo. Yeah.
Who won the movie?

Steve? I'm going to go Steve. I'm going to go Steve too.

See the Tom? Unanimous. Yeah.
Craig's Precock Milk Take? Yeah.

Craig, what do you got?

So I feel like I've effectively masked my thoughts throughout this recording.

You're probably not going to be thrilled.

I have seen this movie before. I saw it 10 years ago.
This is only the second time I've seen it. And I don't deny that this is exactly what Spielberg wanted.
It just,

it just doesn't click for me. It doesn't work.

Not a sci-fi guy or not. I like sci-fi guys.
He's a pre-crime guy.

Can I ask you something? Because we didn't talk about this. Is it a half hour too long? Yeah, for sure.
Because I know that you're really sensitive about runtimes anyway.

And this one definitely has like five extra. It drags a little ahead of its time in how long it is, to be honest.
Yeah. I feel like these movies.

A two and a half hour blockbuster was uncommon back then. Yeah, I just knew sinners.

I love sinners, but I knew like I had to pee halfway at the hour mark because I was like, I know this is going to go an hour and a half longer.

I think this is just like my own personal subjective opinion. I just don't like the look of the early aughts, late 90s movies.
That like cold, blue, bleached-out.

I just like find that to be visually unpleasant. And I think it's in a weird middle ground.

Like, I think it's in a gray area where 80s and 90s movies to me actually aged better than early aughts movies because the early aughts movies are like in that awkward period between bad CGI and good CGI, and they're like really trying.

I could not agree more. They like they're like are just discovering it, so they're trying really hard.
And I actually think it just looks worse than like total recall in some ways.

Bad, bad, like bad CGI, like bad cgr effects puts you in a position where you understand exactly what they're imagining

middling cgi and effects makes it look like they couldn't do what they wanted to do yeah i think this movie is either 10 years too early or 10 years too late yeah because you know what's funny though i so i i totally agree with craig but i also judge this because i know what they had and didn't have back then almost the same way you would watch nba clips from the 70s and be like oh yeah, they didn't know to shoot threes back then.

But see, that's what he's saying. Yeah.

In my opinion, I'm not to speak for him because he just said it, but like, if you watch, if you watch Total Recall and, you know, the things happening and he's in the stomach and all that stuff,

right? You get that. But then when you watch a movie from like 2002 or 2003, there are parts of the movie that look amazing and then parts that look bad.

And that to me takes you more out of it than something that looks bad pretty much throughout the the entire way through i was watching uh i don't know if you guys know this movie the thing last night john carpenter literally last night yeah that you might have heard of it did you get it on 4k huh did you get it on no it was just on cable i do have it on 4k though see to me that's a good example of a movie that visually works despite how data but that's the thing it's 1982

all of it feels completely genuine even the alien whatever the fuck coming out of the guy's stomach And in 2002, they probably tried to throw some technology at that that would make it seem less fake than it did in 1982.

Yes. It's just tough timing.
I almost wish this was a total recall sequel in like 1991 because it would have looked way different. But there are parts of the movie that look fantastic.

Like all of the stuff moving around, the pre-cog stuff, all of that stuff totally works.

And then you'll get to something and you'll go, they hadn't quite mastered it because they're probably producing this 2000, 2001. Yeah.
Something like that. They hadn't quite mastered it.

He shot it pretty fast, but yeah, like it's, it's, it's, I think it's after, I mean, they certainly were doing it after 9-11, but I think it was a quick shoot.

Yeah, I just don't love the early internet era. Like the early digital era on film, I feel like is kind of tough.
It doesn't age well. Craig, have you seen the thing? Yeah.
Jack, have you seen it?

I have.

Huge inspiration for Sinners.

It's really good.

The thing or something.

You're showing a little leg. Are we going to do it? The thing is just really good.

It's just. It's one of the best movies.
The testing the blood is just one of the most riveting scenes. But Sinners has a lot of thing energy in it.

The garlic.

Do you think that was an inspiration for Sinners? Probably. I mean, he wouldn't know.

It's a whole thing. Jack, you can get to it.
I haven't heard anybody say it, but maybe I guess Jack has. No, Ryan Koogler has spoken about the thing was one of the biggest inspirations for the film.

I saw a video recently of Kurt Russell and Keith David meeting up again for the first time in like 20 something years. And I was like, this is like,

I'm about to start crying. Like, this is really important it was at carpenter's uh

oh my god brother what's up it's like holy still not my favorite carpenter though wow yeah you mean halloween for god's sakes nah big trouble in all china that is a very good movie love that movie be going they live they live

they live is they live is still the

it's a haunting

riveting hyper masculine masterpiece love that movie love it. I also like vampires, which is a movie that nobody likes.
I like vampires. Yeah.

Thanks to Craig. Thanks to Jack.

Thanks to LaCroix Kusi.

Thanks to CR and Van. Great to see you guys, as always.
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