‘Can’t Hardly Wait’ With Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson

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You can find Joanna Robinson on House of R with Mallory Rubin.

Correct.

My longtime friend.

Absolutely.

You can find the three of us on the Prestige TV podcast.

We just broke down the season finale of White Lotus, which we have not seen yet as we're recording this podcast.

We're living in a bubble.

We don't know.

Yeah, we don't know.

They've been hiding the screeners from us.

But Joanna's been in L.A.

for

how many weeks now?

Six weeks.

Six weeks.

And you've done, I think, about 95 podcasts in those six weeks.

And you thought I deserved a reward today.

Yeah.

So I said, we got to do rewatchables before you leave.

Yeah.

I sent you a list.

and one of the two movies that you said was absolutely one of your all-timers was Can't Hardly Wait.

And I was like, really interesting.

Who says no?

Who says no?

I know.

I can't say no to that.

So we're going to dive into Can't Hardly Wait next.

Don't get free!

Their first night of freedom.

He is the most dope guy in school.

Yeah, and school's over.

Was their last chance.

Amanda?

To say what they want.

God, you're a hottie.

Can I see your negative

and do what they feel?

Maybe I should should wear the hat.

Listen here, Hootie.

Hootie.

And be who they are.

I wonder how William is doing at the party.

Can't feel my legs.

I can't feel my legs.

Can't Hardly Wait.

Way to PG-13.

Opens everywhere, June 12th.

Here's why I was was really intrigued when you wanted to do this.

It's kind of less about Can't Hardly Wait, which I think has become like a pretty big cult movie over the last 20.

I mean, we even wrote about it for the ringer once upon a time.

Great.

The late 90s is such an interesting movie time.

And where Can't Hardly Wait fits into that with just what was happening in Hollywood in general and then the movie and what it was trying to do and how re-watchable it became when it wasn't.

I don't think anyone thought, well, this is amazing when it came out.

And then it just kind of kept going and going and going.

Yeah.

And I'm not sure that happens anymore because I just think this is a Netflix series though.

I don't even think this movie would exist.

No, this movie doesn't exist.

I think, yeah, the closest you get recently, and it's not even that recent, is Netflix American Vandal, that TV series they did, or something like Book Smart.

you know but this being as mainstream as it is having the soundtrack that it does having the roster of talent that it does we don't make this anymore at all so why do you love it it just hit you at the perfect time in your life?

Yeah.

Do you have a teen movie that's like exactly right?

You have all the 80s.

But, like, what's like your micro generation like exactly right?

If you had to pick one 80s teen movie, probably Breakfast Club.

Breakfast Club.

Yeah.

But I mean, Breakfast Club, just one of the guys, Karate Kid, Secret Admirer, Can't Buy Me Love, 16 Candles.

Like, there's like, there's 20 of them.

We had best channels back then.

Well, the 80s teen movies can't be beat, but there is something about 1998 can't hardly wait for a very specific, I think, micro generation, which is my generation, which is the one between millennials and Gen X, that gap generation, Generation Catalano, whatever you, Generation Oregon Trail, whatever you want to call it.

This is our teen movie.

And I have, like, if you asked me, based on my friends in high school, everyone I knew, and how often they quoted this movie, I would have said this was the biggest movie of 1998.

I'm not surprised.

And it wasn't at all, but like, that was what it felt like at the time.

Yes.

Well, not so, it's the internet's forming, but not really.

Yeah.

But the big thing for me is how influenced this was.

And this whole era was influenced by those 80s movies.

Yes.

This is like the sons and daughters of John Hughes.

Yeah.

And all of these other things.

And they're just, they're just stealing different things that worked.

Like this movie is basically they're stealing Say Anything.

That's what they said.

Yeah, they admit it.

They're like, we watch Say Anything and we're like, why isn't that big party?

Why isn't that just the whole movie?

They're stealing John Hughes stuff left and right.

They're stealing from Secret Admire.

They're stealing from Can't Buy Me Love with the Nerds.

But making it just slightly tuned to the frequency of 1998.

Yeah.

But yeah,

we're not reinventing the wheel with this movie at all, except it's a weird bridge between those 80s movies, which were so about

your social circles, right?

You can't, if you're unless you're like Lloyd Dobbler, you can't move between social circles in the 80s unless you fall in love with someone and that's your way across to the popular kids or whatever it is.

And then after this movie, Into the Ods, when you get movies like 21 Jump Street or Book Smart, the message is less like, hey, you're in a click and you belong there.

And usually when you get to these like big party scenes, super bad or something like that, it's about how we're all just teenagers and friends together figuring it out.

Right.

You know, and this is just right on the cusp of that when you get scenes between like the nerd and the jock at the end of the movie where they have this bonding moment.

Like, it's not about, can I get the popular girl that that is the spine of this movie, but it's about we're all about to leave high school and none of this is going to mean anything anyway once we're gone, you know.

And also, I'm stuck in this role that I became in high school.

And this is basically my last night to break out of it.

Yeah, exactly.

If I don't like where I've been pigeonholed or positioned, can I get out of it this way?

And you mentioned the odds, like American Pie comes

basically right after this movie.

And we just go from like, we're down here to blowing up.

And you watch this movie now, and they talk about it in some of the research.

Like,

this should have just been, this should have started the R-rated high school comedy movie phase.

And they kind of had it.

And a lot of the stuff got cut out because it was still that attitude of, no, no, we need to get the kids to be in the theater.

We need high school kids.

Yeah.

And they didn't see the big picture, which American Pie saw.

And that changed everything.

Right.

This was originally rated R and they cut a bunch of like drugs.

I can't wait to talk about all the stuff that's unbelievable.

In order to make it tamer, and that I think neutered it a bit.

But there is like something then quite sweet about it.

Like some of the stuff, the stuff they cut out sounds like funny and fun, and we'll get to that.

But like, this is just a very sweet movie at the end of the day,

despite all the other things that happened.

And some of the stuff that is aged.

aged very poorly.

Right.

But like, there is just like a very

innocent way about this movie, you know?

Yeah, it's one of those movies that just immediately was on for 15 straight years.

And one of the reasons it was on for so long was it was so translatable to TBS, TNT,

any channel.

They didn't really have a lot to cut.

There's a couple of bad words.

There's no nudity.

There's nothing people being drunk, but you're not really seeing them.

Like, cause they were so careful about the PG-13.

It just immediately moved into this 15-year run.

Yeah, exactly.

And everyone I knew had it on DVD.

This was like a huge DVD sale.

I have this in my collection movie.

It's funny because I was watching, I got nostalgic for that era.

You know, I was older.

I was in my late 20s at that point.

But I was, I had, you know, my uncle's daughters who were all going to all of these movies.

And I went with them to a couple of them.

And all of a sudden there was this boom.

And we'll go backwards because

you have Clueless and then you have Scream.

Yeah.

And Scream is what, Scream's the tipping point.

Because Scream breaks Hollywood's brains.

Micro budget makes both teen movie.

Teen horror horror movie, but really a teen movie.

And everybody goes and Hollywood's going, hmm.

Yeah.

So you have this generation raised on Hughes,

Risky Business, Karate Kid, Can't Buy Me Look, just all those movies.

Now they're ready for their generation.

You have the internet.

That's not the internet yet.

You have high school kids.

still going to movies like as like nobody's like home online all the time because online really hasn't happened yet.

So they're still like, what am I doing tonight?

Where am I going?

Yeah.

It's a big date thing.

You also have network TV.

It's just created.

It's like this farm system of teen stars because you have 9-02-0 and party of five.

And

the WB is coming up.

Dawson's Creek.

Dawson's.

So it's almost like the real world creating the feeder system for the challenge.

Yeah, exactly.

It's like, here's Katie Holmes.

Throw her into disturbing behavior.

Exactly.

Hey, here's Jennifer Love Hewitt.

You like her in party five?

Here she is.

And so it's this little sweet spot, PG-13.

This is really when they figured out exactly how far they could go.

And then you have Maxim Magazine, that era is there where Jennifer Love Hewitt, whoever the best-looking girl in the movie, they were always in that world.

And then the last thing was the pop music, for whatever reason, and the same thing happened in the 80s, in the mid-80s.

The pop music just makes sense for movie soundtracks.

Like these bands like Blink 182, like they're just like, they're just

background music for movies.

It's perfect.

The soundtrack to this movie is insane.

And banger,

it feels like 1998.

Yeah, exactly.

We talk about that sometimes on this pod about when music just makes perfect sense for when the movie came out.

And this is one of those where it's like, of course.

I was talking to a friend of mine in terms of that

ramp up that you just mentioned, Clueless and Scream to this.

I was talking to a friend of mine who's just, yeah, just like two, three years older than me.

And she's like, oh, this isn't my movie at all.

And I was like, what's your movie?

She's like, clueless, you know, and so there's just like, right, there's the clueless and then there's American Pie, and this is just like in that weird gap between, I think.

Because Hollywood was still trying in the late 80s, early 90s.

It's just the movies weren't that good, but then, like, for there's a certain generation kind of between me and you where like Adventures and Babysitting is their movie, yeah, you know, and that's another, I mean, the movie that is just a teen party, there aren't as many as you would think there are, but they're all interesting to me.

And then the One Crazy Night, which Adventures and Babysitting is, but like One Crazy Night idea is always hits for me.

I love that as a concept for a movie.

One crazy night always works.

High school is about to be over.

This is our last chance to change the perception of who we are.

That always works.

Yeah.

Somebody pining for somebody else.

That always, I mean, that was basically 16 candles.

That was the blueprint.

Yeah.

So this movie is just grabbing different little tiny things.

The other thing, the teen movie boom we mentioned, it's really an amazing post-scream three years.

I wrote down all the movies.

I think I got all these.

And American Pie was the biggest one, but you have, I know what you did last summer, one and two.

Halloween H2O.

Yes.

Which they reinvent Halloween.

Basically, is a teen movie?

Michelle Williams.

Yeah.

The faculty.

Yes.

I got to say, I'm embarrassed by how many I saw.

I saw a lot of these in the theater, including the faculty, including Disturbing Behavior.

I love, you're like the only person who's ever talked about disturbing behavior.

Disturbing behavior is good.

Yeah.

I'll still defend it.

Varsity Blues.

Yes.

Cruel Intentions, I think was one of the higher end ones.

I'm throwing and bring it on.

Sure.

10 Things I Hate About You.

She's All That.

Yeah.

Drive Me Crazy.

Yeah.

I think we can count Never Been Kissed, even though it's Drew Barrymore going back to high school.

I'm going to sneak in that.

And then we have the weird ones, like Wild Things, Teaching Mrs.

Tingle, Jawbreaker, Drop Dead Gorgeous.

Yeah.

And then, but I'm a cheerleader.

So that's.

That's 20.

And those are on three years.

It's an amazing time.

What a time to be a teenager in America.

And I was just like, more high school, more high school.

Here's more money.

Oh, you got it.

What are we doing with the cast of 7-7?

Oh, it's a horror movie in high school?

Great.

Oh, wait.

What about that fifth lead in Dawson's Creek?

Can we get them inside?

Kevin Williamson's just running the game between Dawson's and all of the screen movies and teaching Mrs.

Tingle and everything else that comes out.

And I guess, like, and then you have like the skulls and movie like that that weren't necessarily high school movies, but we're also dipping into the same teen pool.

Because Joshua Jackson is in it, PC.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway, the Dawson's Creek cast is in like almost every single one of those movies that you mentioned.

It became like Mad Libs mix and match.

Yeah.

Because Party of Five 2,

Bailey never made it.

No.

Matthew Fox was too old.

Bailey's in, he's in Go.

Right.

But that's an adult movie.

Lacey.

But Lacey Chea Bear, what's her Lacey Cheaber?

Chaber.

Che Bear.

Yeah, Mean Girls.

She was too young, but then rose and became Mean Girls.

That became the stunt casting for that.

J Love being in this movie was a big deal because she was a big deal on Party of Five.

And she had just popped.

And she signed this before she did I Know What You Did Last Summer.

Which popped the movie.

Yeah, exactly.

I forgot this because I was researching Jennifer Love Hewitt, who everybody had a crush on for probably four years.

How she went by love?

I forgot they spun off

Party of Five, where she had this whole spit-up show where she went to go find her birth parents.

I think I blocked this out of my mind.

We didn't have Time of Your Life.

Time of Your Life.

She went to New York City to find her birth parents.

How is that a show?

Did it have?

Who's the guy from 90210 who dated Donna, who was the musician?

Oh, Jamie Walters.

Yeah, Jamie Walters.

Is he in Time of Your Life?

It sounds like that.

It sounds like it's a good one.

It sounds like that's true.

Ray Pruitt with one T.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, so she dated Carson Daly.

She was just in that whole world.

Had some tough career stuff.

Lost out on Roomen and Julia to Claire Danes.

Thank God.

Lost out

Broke Down Down Palace.

Your favorite Claire Danes movie.

She lost to Kate Beckett Sale for that role.

Oh, wow.

Claire Danes.

Claire Danes and Jennifer Love Hewitt.

How about that?

That's like the most 90s thing that's ever happened.

Wow.

But the problem is you were on those TV shows.

You had no time to do anything else.

Like they're in the research, like Melissa Joan Hart.

She's the crazy yearbook girl on this.

And she had to film all her scenes late at night because she was also filming her Sabrina, Teenage Witch.

All these people, they never had the time to branch out.

That's what killed the 902-0 902-0 cast, too.

Jennifer Love Hewitt was so big for such a concentrated period of time.

There were just Coke commercials that were just Jennifer Love Hewitt.

There was hair dye commercials that was just Jennifer Love Hewitt.

It was just like, but it was such a flash.

And I remember, do you remember?

I don't know how much you watched punked on MTV.

Oh, yeah.

But like, do you remember her episode of Punked?

where like the joke was she was going to be cast in a really cool movie.

Like it was like when her career was slightly waning and they brought her into a casting office to talk to a producer.

And they're like, Here's this really cool prestige movie that we want to do.

And they were trying to sort of freak her out by the premise of it.

And at the end, it's one of the saddest punked reveals because she's like, Oh, I'm not going to get to be in the cool movie, am I?

And I was just like, No, devastated.

Well, the saddest one was just a Timberlake because I think he started crying.

He did cry.

Jen for Lafayette was interesting because she was really polarizing.

Men liked her, and at least all the women I knew didn't like her.

And it made them mad that men liked her.

And so she became,

and this happens sometimes.

Like, didn't feel like a girl's girl to

win women.

Yeah, you know, sometimes women are like, oh, she's so cute.

I love her.

And then other times they're like, you like her?

Interesting.

She just moved into

that world for some reason.

I would say that.

She had something.

I would say the reason, well, I mean, it's, it's very clear what she has, but like, I would say

out of the party five cast, there's like like nev campbell who's like the girls girl like the girls like nev campbell and there's jennifer love hewitt yeah for the boys nev campbell had a nice run too she's another one i mean she started it with scream

um

the uh

they filmed this in october 97.

co-writer director harry alphonte said suddenly every place was open for business for teen movies Studients realized the audience was underserved.

We had one, tight budget, the whole thing.

So the movie, they have

the dorks and the hot girls.

Brany cute guy,

the girl, Lauren Ambrose's character, who's clearly going to be more successful than all these people down the road.

The queen bee with no identity, different kids stuck to whatever their shtick was that they can't get out of.

The captain of the football team who can see the finish line and his psycho fan friends, class dork finally having fun for the first time.

But then they have all these other really fun kind of cliche characters that they some of them they ended up having to cut out, but like the girl who shouldn't have had the party, yes, and it's just going wrong.

Like, we all know her: the over-the-top yearbook girl, the nerds getting revenge, the stone guys with the watermelon, foreign exchange guy, the klepto, stone girl staring at banana.

Like, they're just hitting all these archetypes.

And I think it was

what's so fun about this movie is that I think there's like six or seven characters who have actual names, and everyone else is like,

It's like stoner guy, like in the cast list, it's like stoner guy, popular girl, klepto kid, like all of that stuff.

Yeah, what's Sarah Rue?

Like knife girl, earth girl, earth girl.

Easily could have been knife girl.

Um, but you also had the cast of uh it's about as 90s as it gets.

Yeah, Seth Green, right around his apex, Ethan Embry.

Well, I can't wait to talk about him.

Peter Fasinelli, who ended up marrying Jenny Garth,

Charlie Corsmo.

I know.

Complicated career.

Hook.

Yeah.

What about Bob Hook?

Uh,

Dick Tracy?

Yeah, Dick Tracy.

Stopped acting with MIT, came back for this in complicated circumstances.

And then that's it.

I don't think he acted really again.

I still remember there was like a People magazine article.

It was like the return of Charlie Garzmo.

It was just sort of like, here he is.

You remember him from Hook.

He's a teenager now.

And then he was gone again, but he's great in this movie.

Lauren Ambrose, who became the most successful actor of the movie.

This is a six feet under prequel.

Yeah.

You got Freddie Rodriguez here.

She's blowing people out of the water in all of her one-on-ones.

Most of Joan Hart, Jamie Presley's in here.

Cleed Duvall.

And then we got Crazy Cameos, Jason Siegel, Brecken Meyer, Donald Faison, Selma Blair, and Sarah Rue, to name five.

I love that you put Sarah Rue on that list.

Jerry O'Connell.

Jerry O'Connell.

He'll be coming up later for Deion Waiters.

Jenna Elfman.

Jenna Elfman.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of people in this.

I mean, it's just like, you've got Seth Crean out of of Buffy.

You've got Jenna Elfman out of Dharma and Greg.

Like, yeah, the, the sort of like, this is TV, but make it a movie vibe is here.

And I think what I loved when they talked about casting this film, they said they knew so many actors who played teenagers.

They weren't all teenagers themselves.

They were all in their 20s, but actors who could play teenagers.

They knew so many of them who were out of work.

And so they just had all of them come in and read.

They threw all their headshots on the floor and were just sort of like picking and choosing.

And if you didn't make a lead role, they just stuck you in one of these side rolls and everyone said yes to it.

Right.

Deborah Kaplan was dating Breckin Meyer at the time.

Co-director, yeah.

Right.

So he just like brought all his friends over.

Seth Green's here, you know, all that sort of stuff.

And it's just like, and they all have other jobs.

So it's like, yeah, I can do two days or I can show up on Thursday night and play Stone Guy.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

I like that era.

Seth Green, you mentioned.

This is like one of the most late 90s things about this movie is the Seth Green character.

Cause I almost think five years later, it makes no sense.

five years earlier it makes no sense but this was like a type of yeah person for five years here for maybe like three years yeah yeah and he's really funny so good and I was ready to to I went into it because I hadn't seen in a couple years being like ah he probably didn't age that well and I was like no he age that he's actually really funny no it's perfect because when Lauren Ambrose's character calls him out later for it and he drops like his black accent that he's adapted and then when his friends drop the n-word in front of like actual black people later in the movie and they're just like fuck you know so like the movie knows exactly what it's doing, I think, with this character.

I liked his Tupac for his yearbook quote.

So good.

He's got a love kit.

Corismo's great.

And then the soundtrack we've talked about.

Just, I'll just

third eye blind.

Yep.

Smash mouth.

Yes.

Blink 182, Parliament, Matthew Sweet, the replacements, Sublime, 311.

Some of these aren't on the soundtrack, but

most of them are.

Eve6, G-Love,

and then a bunch bunch of stuff that's like a little bit nostalgic-y, like Tone Loke, Bust the Move,

DMC, some of those, like Paradise City,

because it's been like eight to 10 years since those songs hit, and they're kind of bringing them back.

It's probably the probably my favorite thing about the movie, and I don't even really love a lot of these songs, but it reminds me of 1998.

Yeah, the like

the use of Mandy, the Barry Manelow piece inside of this, the use of the Guns N' Roses song, um,

Yazoo, Only You playing at the End.

That's an 80s movie throwback track.

So, yeah.

Yeah, this movie knows, like, hey, we're

stealing.

We're stealing.

We're like, we're homage borrowing.

Stealing.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

And Dire Straits is great too.

Oh, yeah.

The Romeo and Juliet drop.

Yeah.

So Harry Alphonse said, um, we should do a throwback to John Hughes.

We talked a lot about saying anything specifically the party scene.

And then we were like, what if that's the whole movie?

And it was.

When I read that, which I think was in the ringer piece about this, I, it, it really clicks something in place to me because like if you think about that scene and say anything with like Lily Taylor Yeah, singing about Joe and July July when he cries

Yeah, you're just like dipping inside of all these different Little groups

that party.

Yeah, it's funny say anything probably did it better that that party, but it also only had to do everything in 20 minutes.

Yeah, it's like 15 minutes the whole

movie.

This all this movie also just goes and goes and goes.

Yeah.

Every scene, like you're following a character out of a scene right into another character in the next scene.

Or are there these fascinating cuts like Preston turns off the radio and as his hand blacks out the screen, Melissa Joan Hart like opens the trash can.

It's just sort of like, it doesn't let you breathe in a way that doesn't feel panicky, but feels just sort of like, it's a wild party night and we're just going to go from one scene to the next.

I had that in WhatsApp the best because it's...

It's like frenetically edited in a good way.

Because that's what it's like to be at a party like that.

We're just like, oh, this person, oh, this person, oh, this is happening.

And, and it tries to hit that.

And it's doing like quick jump cuts.

And it's not like the editing doesn't feel dated.

No.

I think they do a good job.

It did get nominated for an award.

An MTV movie award.

Hell yeah.

That's where I belong.

Jen for Love Hewitt, right there.

This is, that's another part of this whole era.

It's the golden popcorn.

It's the Carson Daly Show.

It's the movie Award.

Like all this stuff.

There was a pop culture.

feeling to all this crap.

I didn't look into it, but I can't wait to know what TRL had to do with Can't Hardly Wait.

Oh, I'm sure they were plugging the shit out of it.

Absolutely.

By 2012, Entertainment Weekly did top 50 best high school movies of all time.

Can't hardly wait, number 44.

Way too low.

Yeah.

Way too low.

That was going to be like the teens.

Yeah.

20s at the lowest, I would say.

And because, I mean, the 80s were just full of them.

The other thing is, Deborah, Deborah Kaplan and Harry Alphant,

have you seen Josie and the Pussycats?

Not in 20 years.

I think this movie and that movie, which they also did, are you know, which also has Seth Grain and Brecken Meyer and like all, you know, the foreign exchange student in this movie and stuff like that,

Tara Reed, is just like a meatball right down the middle of like, again, a specific generation, a specific sense of humor.

And when you, Josie and the Pussycats, a movie that a lot of people write off because it looks so dumb,

but has Alan Cumming and Parker Posey, which everyone loves right now.

Interesting.

Is like one of the funniest things I've ever seen and has this similar similar sort of joke per minute rate inside of that movie.

So really underrated.

This movie, $13 million budget, made $25 million.

Which is not terrible, but not what they wanted.

No.

Well, I think part of the problem was it was a glut of movies like this and it felt like they were coming out every week.

Okay, Rog, Roger Ebert, one and a half stars.

Yeah.

Tough.

He says, there's one character in Can't Hardly Wait who is interesting and funny.

Maybe it was a mistake to write her in.

She makes the other characters look like nat-brained bozos.

Her name is Denise.

She's played by Lauren Ambrose, and she has a merry face, a biting tongue, and a sardonic angle on high school.

And then just kind of continues to.

We all wanted to be Denise.

Watching this movie, you know, like the best.

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Let's do most rewatchable scenes.

This is hard because so hard because they're all micro scenes that sort of bleed into each other.

So I wrote down a few that I thought.

And then if I missed any, tell me.

The four idiots trying to decide how that they should dump their girlfriends when we meet the football captain and his dumbass friends throwing that in.

Corismo and the nerds setting up the attack on the house using a lot of Star Wars language.

I don't know if you want to.

Yeah, Boba Fett, Grandmoff Tarkin.

I don't want to be Grandmoff Tarkin.

Cool.

Was that

I'll check all the boxes?

No, I'm not a Star Wars Wars guy.

I do know that.

It's funny because I'm not, I didn't put it in What's Age Poorly or whatever, but they were all like, they all want to be Boba Fettet because Boba Fett's so cool.

And that was before Disney Plus made a TV show about Boba Fett that made Boba Fett way less cool.

Oh, so that's a What's Age the Worst?

Yeah, kind of.

Okay.

Amanda's friends trying to make her feel better about Mike dumping her and comparing her to Gwyneth Poutrow.

She's not prettier than Gwynneth.

I love that part.

Kenny over here and the cute girl saying she's hooking up with the next guy who talks to her because she's so upset she uh got dumped.

Yeah, um, when he starts talking to her, and she looks over at her friend, her friend's like,

um, the letter flying around is really funny.

Yeah, it's on falls out of the garbage, and it's somebody just the way they do that.

I enjoy watching that, rolls on the keg, stuck in someone's shoe, all that.

Yeah, Trip McNeely's one cameo played by Jerry O'Connell.

You were a sexual icon.

I thought college was going to be a 24-7 orgy.

Guys like us are a dime a dozen.

We are a dime a dozen.

Speaking of which,

you still with that Amanda chick?

And the burp is pretty impressive.

Anyway, that part's fun.

Jerry is perfect.

I'm throwing in Jason Siegel's one scene just because it's Jason Siegel, and I couldn't believe he was in the movie and I forgot.

And he's like, I think 19 in this movie.

Delma gets some love.

Yeah, yeah.

She's a hip hip lady.

The Mike Amanda showdown.

I like the big showdown with everybody watching at a party, which would never happen in real life because everybody

record scratches.

What's happening?

People are fighting.

Yeah, his delivery of Amanda, you know, Amanda.

Yeah, well, you're the one.

Amanda is going to be embarrassed.

Right.

And she's like, wow, you really got me there, Mike.

Really good.

Really good.

All the Kenny and Denise bathroom stuff.

And then

Mike's crew turning on Charlie Corismo at the end and Kenny and Denise seeing each other together.

And then we find out that Charlie Corizmo's character became the next Mark Suckerberg.

Exactly.

I think

nothing turned out well.

Yeah.

What did I miss?

I would guess, I would say Jenna Elfman Scott Bayo monologue

is really good.

Yeah.

It's really, really good.

But yeah, all of the Kenny and Denise bath, if that were just one scene, that's the most rewatchable scene.

Like

him dropping his whole thing, him calling her out, their history.

Do those shoes serve an orthopedic function?

Like everything that happens in the bathroom is great.

I agree.

This will be fun.

What's the most 1998 thing about this movie?

What do you have?

I mean, we already talked about the soundtrack.

I would say Smash Bath's in there.

Very specifically.

Smash Bath and Blink 182, I think, have to be both mentioned.

The X-Files being so prevalent in here.

I had that as well.

Trust no one, the truth is out there.

This was a weird era for

people really latching onto the X-Files as like a personality.

Yeah.

From this light, you look a bit like David DeCovany is what they say to Charlie Carismo.

Also,

one of the nerds

claims to be dating Christy Turlington, has a girlfriend from the internet.

I love that one.

She's in Fiji right now.

Yeah.

She's a photo shoot in Fiji.

Everything, Seth Green.

Yep.

And the Braden Gwyneth thing, which you already mentioned.

I have that as well.

The only thing I had that you didn't mention, other than Jennifer Love Hewitt, who just seems trapped in the mid-90s in a lot of ways, is

Amanda Beckett's yearbook quote is, I'd rather see the world from another angle, which is from Jewel.

Jewel.

Just having a yearbook quote from Jewel is the most late 90s thing possible.

And it's perfect for her.

Can we talk about the goggles?

Who was, was that real?

Were people wearing goggles in 1998?

The rave culture goggles, not to like a party, but to a rave.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you did, you knew somebody or knew of somebody who would kind of throw on some goggles to go out at night.

To like a rave.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is it the what's the point of that?

Just to protect your eyes?

Fashion.

Oh, just fashion.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And also like snowboarder culture sort of bleeding into all

sure.

Okay.

I can't wait to get producer Craig's take at the end.

I'm so excited.

I've never, never saw it, and I just honestly can't wait.

What's age the best?

Denise Fleming activities none for her the the year

it's like genuinely funny and then Kenny playing JV basketball for one game oh my god that really made me laugh I have a bunch what do you got what's aged the best um I think this is overall a very like sex positive movie

um and I also like that Kenny and Denise's sex is very bad like their first time is very bad I think that's great I think the Trip McNeely stuff really really plays like really plays um and what I mentioned before about the sort of like the blurring of social circles inside of this party I really like that just feels like a step out of the 80s, like from, I don't know, Porky's Revenge of the Nerds, like all that sort of stuff really felt like stratified or, or Breakfast Club, which is, which is supposed to be about common bonds, but then you get those archetypes, you know, we are the nerd, you know, the burnout, the popular girl, whatever it is.

And that's just not how high school, I thought growing up watching 80s teens movies, I thought that's what high school was.

And it wasn't what high school was at all, you know?

Yeah, Breakfast Club has a scene where Anthony Michael Hall's character is like, What's going to happen on Monday?

Are we are we going to be friends?

And Molly Ringwald's like, I don't think so.

And it's like, if you called my name, would you walk on by?

Yeah.

And she says to Emilio Estavez's character, like, come on, if he walked up to you, you just bust his butt, you know?

And it's like, oh, man, these people are just doomed.

Yeah, there's a little, this is a little more hopeful of an error.

I have a couple.

Yeah.

A high school called Huntington Hillside High.

And it's filmed.

What is that?

It's filmed at Torrance High School because we only get like the little Amanda intro is really where we're at.

So are they saying this is in the Palisades?

No, but like Torrance High is

Torrance High is where they filmed all, like, that's where they filmed Buffy.

It's where they filmed She's All That.

Like all of the high school stuff was said.

But what's Huntington with a hillside?

I just want to know where that is in California.

I don't know where that.

I don't know where that exists.

Caring about UFOs is age the best because now UFOs are attacking attacking us.

It's true.

All over the place.

It's true.

I like when Charlie Corzmo's nerd character is like basically creates the template for McLovin.

Yes.

100%.

And but when he gets drunk that one time and he's like, I can't feel my legs.

I have no legs.

Also, it's so good.

Bear's going back.

Yeah, that's good too.

All good.

The Fiji thing's funny.

Seth Greed saying, why y'all got to waste my flavor?

Damn.

Like all his flavor stuff is really funny.

Time is Honey.

Yeah.

It's all good.

And then Paradise City is a nostalgic rock song.

I had for what's age the best.

But just in general, high school movies age the best because they just capture whatever the decade is in this weird way.

Charlie Corsa's character being like, I know this song.

Some kid I tutored made me listen to it.

I know all the words.

Really good.

Bitcoin and Burger Award, Best Use of Food and Drink.

The weed brownie on Denise that gets licked off by Eric Balfour.

Which they had to PG-13.

And there's, you just kind of have to know that it's a weird thing.

You know, what's we're doing?

Yeah, you just kind of know.

You know, but you don't really know.

Kid Cutty Pursuit Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop.

There's a million choices here, but can I make the case for Dire Straits, Romeo, and Julia?

Because that's a great song.

It's a great one.

And it's perfectly dropped.

It's when he's driving.

Yeah, it's just really, it's really well dropped.

I got to give it to Yazoo's Only You because Only You has that intro like at the beginning that you can play underneath the dialogue and then it hits.

Yeah, that sounds good.

That was music that me and my friends all listened to in the 80s.

And I'm like, wow, I can't believe we listened to all that stuff.

The Amanda Dobbins Award for Coolest Piece of Real Estate, new category.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

I love it.

Doing it for Amanda.

I love it.

She hasn't been on the rewatchables in a while.

Let's bring her back.

I don't think she cares.

Well, we were going to do a movie in Malza.

We couldn't because it was Amanda.

Amanda Would Crucify You.

Anyway, the Amanda Dobbins Award for Coolest Piece of real estate, new award.

The house.

The pool.

The house is just a great high school party house.

It even has like the staircase that goes both ways.

And it's just, they did a good job.

I have some sad news, though, like genuinely sad.

It's an Altadena, so burned down and Altadena.

I was worried about that.

I saw that it was an Altadena home and I was worried about that.

I was like, oh,

tough one.

The Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers Award for best character name.

It's got to be Trick Ben Nealey.

Well, it's Trick Ben Ben Neely, but in terms of like the rest of the cast having names that are just their archetype, there's ready to have sex girl and there's ready to have sex's friend is what they're called in the credits.

That's in the credits.

Yeah.

Ready to have sex girl?

And ready to have sex girl's friend.

Yeah.

Wow.

Imagine telling your parents that.

I landed.

I'm ready to have sex girl.

Yeah.

Oh, you have a flex category.

What do you got?

Would a cell phone ruin this movie?

New category.

Wow.

New category.

Yeah.

Like they talk about this all the time with X-Files.

You couldn't do the X-Files with a cell phone because if you had a cell phone, you could take a photo of the weird stuff you see or, you know, that sort of stuff.

And so, and horror movies, I think all the time about the way in which cell phones and the internet have ruined basic premises for movies.

Yeah.

And so.

Let's say Amanda has a smartphone in this movie and she picks up the letter.

It's from Preston Meyers.

She's like, look, goes on social media.

She's like, goes on his Insta.

Who's Preston Meyers?

Nobody's streaming from this party.

Nobody's TikToking from this party.

Like, nobody's down their phone.

They're all sort of like here and having a good time.

So that's a great category.

I wonder who that should be named after.

I got to really put some time and thought into this.

Maybe the readers can help.

I would love that.

There's a lot of movies that are just completely undermined with the cell phone.

Yeah.

Horror movies and thriller action movies.

It's much harder to do those within with everyone having a smartphone in their pocket.

Die Hard?

Can you do Die Hard if you have a the same way if if you have a smartphone?

So sometimes they have to come up with, you know, if there are payphones involved, you know that they, you know, the payphone as a device.

Does Preston even get to meet Jenna Elfman if he has a cell phone?

No, he needs that, that payphone.

So that's a great one.

Great category.

All right, here we go.

The Butcher's Girlfriend Award for Week link of the film.

My biggest issue with this film for 27 years is Ethan Embry

and the character.

I know.

It's a controversial take.

Oh, no.

A lot of people get really upset about it.

Okay, let's

don't understand Preston at all.

And I was doing the research and he has this interview he did like 12 years ago where he said, at the time when we were shooting, I was the world's biggest stoner.

Yeah.

I remember the director came up to me and asked if I was altered and he couldn't remember anything in the movie.

And then there was this anecdote about how Jennifer LeVue

gave him a teddy bear full of breath mitts for their climactic kissing scene because everyone on the set knew he spent all of his time smoking pot in his trailer and she didn't want to kiss like a pot-mouth guy.

Yeah.

And so I watched it the second time after I did the research and I was like, that totally makes sense with how he's playing this character.

Oh, no.

This is traumatic for me, girl.

I love Ethan Elliott.

I'm sure you do.

Girls love him.

Preston Myers.

It's funny because the way that I think people,

women of your generation, feel about Lloyd Dobbler is how I feel about Preston Myers.

And Lloyd Dobbler is one that I like don't really fully

try to erase that from my mind.

The red suede jacket, the like he's gonna go study with Kurt Vonnegut for the summer.

Like, this is just such a right down the middle sensitive.

I knew this would get you.

Yeah.

Remember how you tried to provoke me on White Lotus last week?

I tried a bunch of things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This one, this one got me.

This is great.

You landed.

Just wait until we get to the recasting couch because I have a couple suggestions.

What do you you have for the butcher's girlfriend um i i don't know that this movie has a weak link

um

because every anyone who's like even slightly wobbly they're gone it doesn't really even really matter yeah and i personally think the core cast is kind of perfect the only one i would say is like because when we get to the casting what-ifs i don't know if peter facinelli is

he was fantastic

as mike dexter you know i think there were some other possibilities with that character they said they wanted facinelli because he has,

I think the word they use is like a streak of malice to him.

And I agree, but I actually kind of wish Mike Dexter were like a little less evil than he is inside of this movie.

I don't know how to make sense of his character, but I can just only compare it to the greats from the 80s, specifically the goat, Billy Zapka.

Oh, yeah.

And you think like this was a Billy Zapka role.

Yeah.

Now the whole movie falls.

You're like, oh, I totally get who this guy is.

He's not Zapka-y enough.

On the Zapka scale, he's like a three, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I don't know, I was trying to think of other actors from that generation, or like Spader and Pretty and Pink, right?

Who's just like, oh man, that guy's a fucking asshole, yeah, but like, yeah, he just also has something, you know.

I don't either, he needed to be bigger and more physically imposing, or he needed to have that Zapka kind of feel to him, or even like a Judd Nelson kind of

wild card.

I might get in a fight at all times, guys.

I feel like you need, you need to understand.

Like, Amanda has this whole speech.

I was thinking of Craig Sheffer and

Some Kind of Wonderful.

You need to understand why Amanda was with him for so long.

And she gives a speech about that, about how she was nobody or old school.

Then Mike latches on and turns her into a somebody.

But like, you think a little, he's just so

I had that in what's age the worst.

You're spending three years with this dude just because he's good at football.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

It's tough.

It makes you think less of her.

Exactly.

What's age the worst?

The gay sex trap or the F Slur drop.

Yeah, there's some.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Late 90s.

Yeah.

Very Heathers.

Having a crush on Scott Bayo

and telling a long monologue about it.

This is before Twitter.

This is before we knew what Scott Bayo was able to

even like go back and watch Charles in Charge or Happy Days and be like, wait, really?

Scott Bayo?

Joni loves Chachi.

Charles in Charge.

Scott Bayo

meant something before he let us know who he was.

How about the drummer of the band at the party saying to the lead singer that he looks like Lestat?

Does anyone under 40 get that joke?

The vampire.

Well, they do now.

Interview with the Vampire is backed.

Vampire List Die.

You're right.

Okay.

Let's come back around.

And then Breckenmeyer calls Donald Faisal and the character hootie because he wants to wear a cowboy hat.

It's great.

All right.

So the R rating that this movie didn't get, here's some of the research.

Fastenelli says they cut out one character, Crying Drunk Girl,

who they subtitled because she was just talking complete gibberish.

And she was played by

Jan Brady from the Brady Bunch movies.

That sounds great.

I wish that person was in the movie.

Stone Girl, who you can see staring at the banana at one point, was in the movie way more.

Samuel Benson from Bumpy Vampires Layer.

Yeah.

They changed the pop brownies to brownies, but we knew.

At one point, I think

the guy from Cruel Intentions, what's his name from Save the Last Dance?

That guy?

Sean Patrick Thomas.

Yeah.

Something like that.

Yeah.

Instead of bullshit, he says bull corn.

I've never heard bull corn ever.

Um, apparently, Jason Siegel wasn't just holding the watermelon, but but started to have sex with it, he fucks the watermelon, yeah.

Before American Pie happened, Jason Siegel fucked the material.

So, did American Pie just rip off like seven things from this movie?

When you know that, and you re-watch this movie, and you watch Jason Siegel just like scooping the watermelon out of the rind, you're like, Jesus Christ.

Um,

and then, uh,

who said this?

Oh, Ethan Embry asked if he felt any anger when movies like American Pie and Super Bad kicked off a wave of successful raunchy teen comedies.

Embry replies, absolutely.

Like, you fuckers.

This is like the last.

It's almost like a black and white TV before we get to color.

Like, this movie is completely different if they make it five years later.

Yeah.

And he said that they also kind of neutered Empire Records as far as he's concerned.

And I'm like, I guess there's like suicide attempts in that movie.

Like there's stuff in that movie that I'm just like, what what was the darker version of Empire Records wasn't with them on that one um

the Vane Lathan award for did this movie need more black people just throwing it in I bet he would say yes because there's like two black people in it

there's two so there's two black characters who are like in the popular click yeah right uh the aforementioned say the last dance star Sean Patrick Thomas

brought him up from cruel intentions that's a great one Donald Faison is here there's like reminiscing Donal Faison all right there's yes there's reminiscing guy Like, remember that time that we did this, that, and the other thing?

I think if you can count them on one hand, though, then they're hard enough.

Yeah.

Just shouting out, Van.

I think also when you have having Kenny and his friends in this movie, it would be great if we had a like more substantial black character who was like

what the fuck.

Yeah, exactly.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubin Eck Partridge Over Acting Award.

I have my pick, but you go.

Sarah Rue.

Earth Girl.

You're sheep, all of you.

Buh-ah.

No?

You love it.

I loved it.

Okay.

I'm going back to Preston.

You're going back to Embry.

Bandage, shirt for Amanda.

That's my sign.

This is tough.

This is tough for me.

That's my sign.

The CR.

So, do you like Ethan Embry in like Empire Records or that thing you do?

Like, have you liked him in other things?

He's okay.

I do not think he was the right choice for Preston.

Okay.

Can't wait to give you my alternatives.

Okay.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford Hottest Take Award.

What do you got?

Preston and Amanda should not wind up together at the end of this movie.

Who does Amanda end up with?

Herself.

She should choose herself.

She should Kelly choose herself.

Oh, the Kelly Taylor.

Wow.

She should choose herself.

Because she gives this whole monologue about how she doesn't, like, when the opening and everyone knows where they're going to college.

And everyone's going to a good school, by the way.

She knows they're, they know where they're going to college.

She knows are really good at Huntington Hillside High.

Yeah, Kelly's going to UCLA.

She's crushing it.

Dartmouth.

But Amanda's undecided.

Yeah.

She doesn't know where she's going to school.

She doesn't know who she is, and that's fine, but she doesn't know who she is.

She gives this whole monologue to her creepy cousin about how she doesn't know who she is if she's not Mike Dexter's girlfriend.

And then she immediately gets into a, like that day gets into a relationship with Pretti.

I had this in picking nets.

Yeah.

I felt a little soon.

She was yourself.

Get to know yourself, Amanda.

Yeah.

Watch Runaway Bride and figure out what kind of eggs you like.

Go away for a weekend with like your mom and your aunt.

Go backpacking in Europe.

Take a gap year.

Take a hike.

Yeah.

I'm with you.

I have my hottest take.

Yeah.

An ensemble cast high school movie centered around one big party is the easiest and most watchable movie anyone can possibly make.

And I don't understand why there's 20 of them a year.

Let's make one.

Craig,

your thoughts.

Is there an easier thing to do in Hollywood than an ensemble cast high school movie centered around one big party?

I don't know if it's the easiest thing you can do, but it's the most watchable.

It's the most sought after.

Everybody wants it, but there are so many attempts that don't work.

So it's kind of a combination of both where I want a million of these.

I mean, I think they try now.

There's movies like Sweethearts on HBO that just come and go and disappear.

They just need to put them in theaters.

I agree.

Other.

I would just do these.

Every year it should be like a federal law.

Yes.

We're going to have tariffs.

Maybe this could be a law too.

Like federal law.

We have to make one a year to capture whatever the year was with an ensemble high school movie.

Maybe this is what Mikey Madison should do, post her Oscar Oscar win.

Yeah, use your power, Mikey Madison.

Back to high school.

On the, on the like, Preston and Amanda should not have wound up together front, in the original conception of this, Preston winds up with Denise, which, of course,

that's that's the 80s template, right?

That's the teen wolf, some kind of wonderful.

My wife mentioned that when we were watching it.

Yeah.

She was like, are they setting?

She couldn't remember how she's like, are they setting up?

They end up together at the end.

And I was like, no, they actually swerve on this.

Yeah, they really do.

But I, I, you know, something kind of of wonderful is one of my favorite movies of all time and i just think that like

denise deserves better than kenny and amanda deserves to like figure herself out and prest and denise have this like really nice thing so i'm i'm pro that i actually almost put that in what's age the worst um when it says denise and he broke up five minutes later i just would have had that yeah and that's why five minutes later

that freeze frame on her is so good yeah she's just like it's like the end of the graduate She's like staring off, like, what have I done?

So, for the moment, yeah.

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Casting what F's.

They wrote the role of Kenny with Brecken Meyer in mind, and he was shooting 54.

The Studio 54 movie.

instead a movie i'm kind of obsessed with because really it's one of the most legendarily butchered movies ever released from an editing standpoint and then there's this whole director's cut that i don't know if you've ever seen i've never is that's kind of good yeah

it is like the biggest disparity between what a movie that was actually released where you're like this movie's incoherent what's happening and then the director's cut it's like oh these three actually ended up in like some weird threesome kind of relationship and got caught up in like it it

fills in a lot of points.

I believe you.

I'm going to watch the director's cut of scene.

Watch the director's cut.

Hard to find.

Anyway, he took a small role in as the lead singer of Love Burger.

Anyone order a Love Burger?

So they wanted Embry to read for the nerd for the Corzmo part.

And Embry insisted,

I said, no.

I know I'm not your typical leading man type, but I thought this movie was better suited if they didn't cast that guy.

And they said, okay,

big mistake.

Women agree, women love press.

Men love Jennifer Human.

Women love press remotes.

Agree to disagree.

Here, Kaplan said they were looking very closely at James Marsden for Mike Dexter, but Fastinelli had a hint of danger that he didn't.

Marsden would have been great.

Marsden, everybody's been in on Marsden, and he's finally had his moment.

And it took.

You feel like Jury Duty is the moment?

Jury Duty, I think the Schulu show.

Yeah, I think, I think Marsden's like, it's finally all happened.

He's coming back to the X-Men.

Took him two decades.

Everyone likes Marsden.

What's that Catherine Hagel movie?

Oh, 27 Dresses.

He's great in that.

He's great and enchanted.

I had to listen once to my wife and Juliet Lippman have like an 18-minute James Marsden conversation while I was like pouring gasoline on myself.

He never misses hairspray.

He never misses.

Marsden never misses.

Got say, met him and talked to him at an Oscars party and just a handsome guy.

And like a nice guy.

It's a nice, interesting thing.

Nice, handsome guy.

Yeah.

And doesn't seem like he has a lot of problems in life.

They wanted Alicia Witt for the Lauren Ambrose world.

That's an interesting one.

It's a great one.

It's a good.

She's another one that I feel like, and she's had some good roles over the year, but I thought she was so good in that Sopranos episode.

Oh, you didn't see it.

It made me wonder.

I feel like there was more there career-wise.

Oh, definitely.

She was on, she basically played this Denise character on the show Sybil.

Like, she played Sybil Shepherd's daughter, and she was basically doing exactly this down to like the red hair.

And so I feel like they just wanted that, her to do that.

She would have been great.

Big, what was that movie with the Urban Legend, the high school movie?

Urban Legend.

No, another thing with Lee Shouette, Sean Fantasy, card-carrying Lee Showette.

She's a physical member.

That's like in a, that's a Mount Rushmore for him.

Yeah.

Two weeks ago.

Hope I'm not talking out of school.

She's in Dune.

Yep.

She's, yeah, she's been around.

She's in a season of Justified, which is not the best season of Justified, but that's not her fault.

Her Sopranos episode is really great.

So they cast somebody else for the Nerd World of William that Corizmo ended up doing, and it was this actor named Adam Hanbird who had been in Little Man Tate,

and he just didn't fit, and they had to fire him.

I think they said he looked like too young.

He's 15 years old, and he just looked like a baby.

And they just couldn't

land the plane on it.

Are you a Little Man Tate?

Have you?

I'm not.

I loved that movie.

And

this is a real moment for me.

But not only Alicia Witt for Denise, but also Rhys Witherspoon and Christina Ricci.

Did you believe that?

I feel like Reese Witherspoon was too famous at that point.

Yeah, she was like leading Pleasantville and she was in

fear at that point.

Well, fear.

I think she's too famous to be in this movie.

But I think she's only the Jennifer Love Hue character if she's in this.

But she was also doing, like, she was kind of doing edgy at this time.

That was, you know, like she did freeway.

like she was trying to do edge and so i feel like

i don't know i understand what you're saying it's just she's like cruel intentions like a year later i don't know she's like you put her on the front of the poster so i think unless it's the jennifer lepew role i don't see it yeah she did fear and freeway in 96

and then she doesn't have anything in 97.

overnight overnight delivery pleasantville's 98 overnight delivery in 98 which is her and paul rudd i don't know if you've seen that that's like a you don't know if i've seen that who you're talking to but like that movie's good.

It is good.

But she's doing, she's doing Edge.

She liked to do Edge for a little while.

And then she got into Pleasantville and Cruel Intentions and sort of like the good girl thing.

The best That Guy Award category is one of the best ever because we have, here's three nominees, and you might have more.

The guy who paid Dirk Digger to jerk off in front of the church.

He's Mike Dexter, one of his friends.

Okay.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

There's one.

Yes.

Poppy from Seinfeld as the cop.

Yes.

And then Tara from 90210, who became obsessed with Kayla Taylor and became single-wave female.

She's in this too as one of the high school kids.

That is the all-time big three.

That's it.

Dirk Dagor, 9020, and Seinfeld.

I'm in.

That's your, that's your retiring crazy.

I would say

Amber Benson from Buffy Vampire Slayer being in here is like,

I didn't know who Amber Benson is.

Yeah.

I didn't know what her name was.

Tara, yeah.

So you're a big Buffy person?

person, yeah, yeah.

Because at 902-01 year, they had uh

Brandon's girlfriend

who went on to play Anya, who went on Buffy, yeah, and that was the best Brandon girlfriend.

That was the one you should have ended up with, but I think she left to do Buffy.

She's great on Buffy, though.

I can't remember her name was, but she was like the editor of the newspaper.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She wrote the big abortion story that it turned out she was the one that had the abortion big swerve at the end.

Yeah, she's amazing.

I Buffy was like a pretty, that was another farm factory for these movies.

Yeah, you've got Seth Green, Sarah Michelle Geller showing up in things, Allison Hannigan and American Pie.

Yeah, the WB was just

farm system.

Yeah.

Deion Waiter's Award.

You mentioned Melissa Joan Hart.

I think she's eligible.

Sarah Rue, Jenna Elfman,

and Jerry O'Connell, I think, and Jason Siegel.

Can I make the case for a Klepto Kid?

Klepto Kid's a great guy who has no, no, and he's one of those guys.

I think he shows up in American Pie, too.

Like, I think, yeah, I think Klepto Kid's just continually just showing up and stealing something.

And uh, I think he's my favorite.

He's really funny, he steals the gumball machine at the end.

Um, Brian Kluckman, who plays Stoner Guy, who's not Jason Siegel with the like the other hair, yeah, he's the one who's got the Velma from Scooby-Doo Line, yeah, he's the one who says Preston wears t-shirts sometimes.

That's a good one, he says Prestone.

Like, I just I love him.

He shows up with a dinosaur throughout the whole movie.

I really like him,

All right.

Recasting couch director City.

Okay.

I do have a Preston

candidate here.

Freddie Prince Jr.

Oh.

Another one that the women like that the guys never told.

Because like Freddy,

you know, and she's all that, like, he was often cast in the like cool, the popular kid role, the jock role.

But I think he would have really thrived in this sort of like sensitive kid role.

I think this would have been a good moment for him.

Yeah.

I have two options for you.

Okay.

Marsden.

Marsden for Mike Dexter?

Marsden for Preston.

Marsden for Preston.

Yeah.

You nerd him up a little bit, but I feel like I'm way more believing

that she's going to be just immediately smitten by Marsden.

And maybe Marsden changes his hair that like he, maybe he's got some weird hair to do until the last day of high school.

Or is he too handsome?

The thing about Preston is she rejects him when she just thinks he's a rando, and it's only because he wrote that.

So nobody rejects Marston.

No one says no to Mars.

Okay.

Well, here's my other idea.

No one puts Marsden in a corner.

Jason Siegel and Ethan Embry just switch parts.

Okay, because he's already stoned.

He's ready to fuck a watermelon.

Yeah, he said he could.

He's already watermelon, fuck Roan.

Yeah, yeah.

And then we got Jason Siegel, first movie ever, age 19.

He's like tall and skinny and gawky, but he's he's cool.

And from what we know from him over the next 10 years, could have pulled it off.

This is similar to his role in Freaks and Geeks.

I think he really could have done it.

Yeah.

All right.

So I got you on board.

You got me.

Craig has a choice.

Flex category.

I made up a new category.

Great.

It's the Matt Flynn $26 million contract award for the person I can't believe we thought was going to be a star, and it goes to Ethan Embry.

Yes.

I needed another woman on this list.

Guys don't get it.

No, I don't get it.

I don't get it.

I don't get it.

The whole cast, I don't really understand.

Craig, what do you mean?

You don't get it?

He's fucking shaggy from scooping through

50 minutes.

Nightmare.

Shaggy.

That's great.

So what's that category called?

It's the Matt Flynn $26 million contract award for the person I can't believe we thought was a star.

So Matt Flynn was this guy who was a backup QB in the Packers.

And he played like two games at the end of a season and did well in the two games.

He threw five touchdowns in one game and everybody freaked out.

So it was the last game of the year.

It didn't really mean anything.

Seattle freaked out, gave him this huge contract, and then he wasn't good.

And that's who Craig compared to Ethan Embry to.

That's a great category.

I really like it.

I just fundamentally disagree with the premise, but I like it as a category going forward.

Another casting option.

Yeah.

Because

thinking about Ethan Embry, I don't know if he could have gotten away with playing a teenager, but Tom Everett's got from that thing you do,

right?

Like in the Preston role, he's got that sort of like nerdy, cute sweetness.

Yeah, that one solid.

Okay.

But that's another one.

Tom Everett Scott is another one where I was like, I really thought he was going to be a big deal, and then he wasn't at all.

I have to test drive one more candidate for the football player.

Okay.

What about Mark Wahlberg, just

six years too old to be in the movie as Mike Dexter?

Mark Wahlberg in his fear era?

Yeah, just fear Mark Wahlberg.

Like

really menacing.

And you kind of can't believe he's in the movie, but that gave him a lot of money to be in it.

I don't know.

I think for this movie to have stuck beyond the micro generation that it hit, it needed like a Jason.

It needed one more person who stayed quite famous to have been in one of the leading roles.

Well, that's 10 Things I Hate About You.

Yeah, Keith Bledger vaulted that movie to a whole nother.

I mean, we already did that one on Rewatchables.

Half-Fast Center Research.

We mentioned Melissa Joan Hart, who was filming Sabrina at the same time, and took B12 vitamins to stay energized during the all-night shoots.

B12 vitamins?

Yeah.

I'm going to wonder what that really was.

And then

apparently

when they finished filming in the place, they allowed the whole cast to destroy the house for one last scene and they spent an hour destroying the house.

Because the interior was a set.

Yeah.

And then the exterior is the altitude in the house that is no longer.

Fun fact, Brecken Meyer married Deborah Kaplan and they had two kids.

Right.

Yeah.

He and he could have been, who was his character?

He could have been Kenny, but he was the lead singer of Love Burger.

I mean, he's another one who could have been Preston.

I'll basically accept anyone else from that era as Preston.

But Brecken Meyer had just come off clueless and he's he's like got that stoner energy off of clueless.

What about Justin Long?

Is he old enough?

He's young.

He's the same age as Ethan Embry.

But I think he like looked too young.

But I thought Ethan embry looked he kind of had a receding hairline even at 21.

it's true it's true yeah i actually looked i was gonna put that for what sage is the worst thinking he was like 38 when he filmed the movie and he was 21.

i was shocked he was 21

uh apex mountain ethan embry definitely it's ethan embry Jennifer love hewitt no question what party of five crossed with this movie crossed with I know he did last summer this is never got bigger this exact moment this exact moment I don't know that this and dating Carson Daly as you pointed out yeah I don't know that this movie like of those three things i don't know that this movie i'm just saying this this specific time frame 98 the entrance she gets with the fan on her preposterously enormous hair yeah and the sneaker pips are playing underneath is like an all-timer like any actor in hollywood wants that to have happened to them at some point in their career fast than ever fast and alley definitely No, Twilight.

Oh, I don't know Twilight.

I also don't know Twilight that well, but he is a big deal.

How big is he in Twilight?

He's the like patriarch of the vampire family.

Oh, that sounds important.

That's more important than this movie and being married to Jenny Garth at the same time.

He's got Twilight money.

Yeah, Twilight.

All right, that's fine.

Jenna Alfman, yes.

Because she's on that show.

Darman Gregg, Darman Gregg, plus she cameo on this where it's like a big deal.

She made a cameo.

What was the

Keeping the Faith?

Is that what that's called?

The one with Edward Norton.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

90s teen movies?

Okay.

No, I don't know if it is or not.

These are we're debating.

I don't think so because I actually think the answer is Scream.

That's a good one.

It might be Clueless.

Oh, yeah, you're right.

It might be Clueless.

Yeah.

It's Scream.

That's like mid.

Clueless is like right in the middle, you know what I mean?

So, yeah.

And American Pie is 2000.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's.

Or 99.

American Pie might be 99.

Oh, shit.

If Pie's 99,

then I think that's.

Do you think it's American Pie?

Yeah.

Well, the question about

two sequels, yeah, that's 99,

but like the thing, I would say, yes, it spawned sequels, but I think the fact that it spawned sequels then like takes it out of the 90s, whereas Clueless is just pure

in the 90s, 90s, you know.

Corzmo,

I really liked him in What About Bob?

But I don't know, I don't know what his age is.

He's great, he's great in

Hook.

Run home, Jack.

All-in-one-night high school movies,

yeah, probably Super Bad.

Super Bad is.

I love Super Bad.

I love Book Smart.

Days and Confused.

Yeah, that's pretty good too.

Yeah.

I would say Super Bad.

I think it was the most successful and it had the most people in it that went on to become even bigger.

Days and Confused is like

the art house.

Yeah, that's yeah.

Yeah, the indie one.

Yeah.

Blink 182 and Smash Mouth?

Yes.

Smash Mouth, certainly.

Yeah.

This is Smash Mouth's movie.

Cruise or Hanks.

There's like no adults in this movie.

Where do you?

No, you got to go.

We're allowed to take any year of Cruise or Hanks.

So you can go early 80s either.

Baby Hanks as Preston Myers.

It's interesting because I was thinking.

Risky Business Era Joel Goodson Cruise.

Yeah.

Dorking it up, but then deep down, there's a little more there as Preston or or Cruz as Mike Dexter.

Yeah, Cruz as Mike Dexter is a really good one.

You know, who like gave me risky business, Tom Cruise is Corzmo when he's doing Paradise City.

Right.

There's like this cruisiness to him that's really interesting.

Craig, you pick.

I was thinking the same thing.

I think Hanks as the lead.

I think Cruz as Mike Dexter.

Yeah.

Oh.

Cruz is too small for Mike Dexter.

He can't be a football player.

They'd have to fudge that.

All right.

So let's go Hanks.

Like 1979 Hanks as Mike Dexter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

No, wait, as Mike Dexter.

I mean, as Preston.

Yeah, yeah.

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Hilarious category.

I'd probably go Spielberg for this one.

Definitely Spielsberg.

Spielberg, can you imagine Mark?

Scorsese.

Yeah, there's

a lot of cocaine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

Probably Trip McNeely.

I would say Jenna Elfman's angel role.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah.

Pale angel?

Yeah.

Okay.

Picking nits.

I have a a couple.

What do you have?

This is a perfect movie.

I have no nits to pick.

Okay.

The cops break up that party in one hour.

I just wrote down Amanda Beckett, what's happening there?

She was with this idiot for three years and goes to a party and doesn't seem to really have any friends and just kind of wanders around and doesn't know anyone.

Like you have no identity.

Like, what?

Yeah.

Like, I just feel like she would have a little more.

This is the thing is like, a little more wherewithal.

I was reading the negative reviews, which I couldn't wholly disagree with, and they were like, There's no depth to these characters.

I'm like, I think some of them have depth, except Amanda, who's just intentionally a blank slate, but then it's just not that interesting.

So, yeah,

nobody else uses the upstairs bathroom for this entire party.

I mean, has anyone ever been to a high school party?

People are they were looking at the line, they were looking around.

A single person tries the door two hours, they're trapped in the bathroom, nobody else goes up there.

Come on,

Amanda has no idea who Preston is.

How big was this high school?

But she doesn't.

I mean, that's, I guess, Sarah Rue's point is like, you don't know any of us.

You know your shitty, popular friends.

Yeah.

Absolute iconic Jamie Presley performance in this movie, by the way.

We should have mentioned her in WhatsApp.

She's great in this.

Always loved her.

And so if she just hung out with like those

four dudes and those three girls and that was it.

Never saw her.

And her cousin and had no other friends, then, yeah.

But that just makes you think poorly of Amanda.

Because at least Ione Sky's character in Say Anything, like, had a reason she didn't know anyone, right?

It was like she was sheltered and,

you know,

home, like, not homeschooled, but just sort of like was on this track and stuff like that.

So when she shows up at the high school party and say anything, and nobody knows her, but they're all like, we wish we had known you.

Right.

We wanted to know you.

It was acknowledged.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I Kenny and Denise just having sex right away after they talked for 10 minutes when they were both um pretty socially immature.

I don't know, I'm flagging it.

Late 90s, things were starting to flip, but she had had it wasn't her first time, no,

and I just feel like they probably don't know.

I don't know if they're just they like make out a bit, but they don't and I don't know if they're banging boots in two minutes on the cold bathroom floor.

He does have the love kit, he does.

Maybe the love kit got her sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast or untouchable.

Can I talk you into semi-prestige?

Okay.

Like an eight-episode Amazon all set in a final night of a high school and it's almost done like the pit with no wiley where it's like each hour is an actual hour at the party.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Craig, would you watch that?

Sure, yeah.

But that's similar.

That's similar to Pit Cross with Can't Hardly Wait.

Eight hours at somebody's house.

That's kind of similar to what that's where the B12 vitamins come in.

Yeah, exactly.

That's kind of similar to what American Vandal tried to do with like their breakdown of what happened one night at a party.

Yeah.

But yeah, do it pit style.

What is John Wells doing?

Why not?

Can't hardly wait.

It's just crushing.

Wiley is the most back anyone's ever been back.

100% back.

He's full-time back.

Yeah.

Is this movie better?

With Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainville, Long Legs, or Wilfrid Brimley in the firm.

I already said we could say nobody.

I already said Philip Seymour Hoffman in the Jenna Elephant role, but what about Danny Trejo in the Jenna Elephman role?

Just in terms of like, not in this, it doesn't have to be an angel, but just in terms of like the one adult who wanders in and gives you advice and is Danny Trejo.

That sounds good.

Dressed like an angel?

Or not, but just like, is there

talking about Scote or whatever he wants to talk about?

Danny Trejo, I think, could belongs in this universe.

Can I argue Sam Jackson as the cop?

Yeah, yeah, instead of Poppy from Seinfeld, Sam Jackson comes in and just Sam Jacksons it up for like six minutes and then they just give him a million dollars.

Well, Blink 182, please.

What the fuck is going on at this party?

You guys are crazy.

Just one Oscar who gets it.

I'm going to unfortunately say nobody for this one, which we rarely have a nobody.

No, you have to do it.

That's the rule.

You have to do it.

I have one.

Okay.

I have two.

Best editing.

Best editing.

That's good.

Good answer.

Mark Bridges, who's the costume designer who went on to win an Oscar for the Phantom Thread.

There you go.

That sounds great.

I mean, Kenny's goggles, everything Kenny, everything 90s.

What the popular girls are wearing, they're like bra and costume design.

And the nominos are can't hardly wait.

Can't hardly wait.

Yeah.

Sense and sensibility.

Probably an answerable questions.

I don't really have any other than this one.

The five-year reunion sequel was sitting right there in 2003, and all these people were still relatively famous enough.

And American population.

But they could have made it way more raunchy.

And five-year, same thing, one night.

We catch up.

At that point, the movie had kind of taken off as a cult movie.

It's sitting right there.

Great culture movie movie movie movie.

I don't know why they did it.

They could also do the 30-year reunion movie, but I'm not sure people would be as excited about that one.

But they might because it would be like, what are these people doing now?

And it would be exciting to see them.

We don't see Breckenmeyer that often.

Do you know what I mean?

It would be fun to see him.

Donald Faison is making a lot of telephone commercials and has a podcast, but like it was.

Maybe Amanda has a personality by then.

Maybe, maybe she's grown a personality.

Yeah, yeah.

You have any unanswerables?

No.

Okay.

The Zawatney Award for what happened the next day.

I have Preston and Amanda dated for two years, and then she immediately started dating the soccer captain of whatever school she was going to and dumped him.

I think it's a two-year romance.

That or he met someone at his college who actually had a personality who actually

could have a conversation and and when he's like i'm going to do a summer internship with kurt vonnegan and she's like great that's great for you but he meets someone at his college who like has red who actually has red curve yeah yeah that's smart what piece of memorability would you want from this movie or not want this is easy for me the goggles no it's the love burger shirt from the band Oh, that's a great one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I also, I wrote that in the love kit, but then the yearbook would be kind kind of fun to have because people signed it.

Yeah.

The goggles are pretty good.

I would give those to Craig because he was obviously fascinated by Craig.

Craig definitely gets the goggles.

Coach Finstock award for best life lesson.

Fate only takes you so far.

That's beautiful.

I actually really learned something about life in this.

Here's mine.

Always wear shoes in the dorm shower.

Right.

You don't want to get warts.

No.

Yeah.

There was a kid in my dorm freshman year who got like something really gnarly happened to his foot in the dorm shower.

and I was like, You clearly didn't see Can't Hardly Wait, right?

If you had, you would have known you always got to wear shower shoes in the dorm shower.

Shower shoes are important.

Uh, best double feature choice.

What do you have?

Super bad,

super bad.

So, I had 16 candles.

Interesting.

Maybe it's a triple feature.

So, it'd be 16 candles, can't hardly wait.

Yeah, super bad, and then book smart.

Yeah, and that's like four generations of all-in-one night movies.

Maybe you throw in say anything for a quintuple header.

I love it.

Sounds great.

Who won the movie?

This is hard.

The 90s?

Did the 90s won the movie?

Does it have to be a, does it have to be a person?

It can be whatever you want.

It can be whatever I want.

I would say for the time, in terms of like stock and recognizability out of the movie and all that sort of stuff, might be Seth Green.

This was like a big Seth Green moment.

So

I had it narrowed down to Ethan Embry because there's just no way he was ever going to lead another movie after this.

So he gets to at least point to like, hey, that time I lit a movie.

Seth Green, who's just having an incredible run here.

Yeah.

Did we mention him in Apex Mountain?

No.

I might have forgotten to put him in there because he has Austin Powers.

Yes.

He's Scott Evil.

He has this.

He's on Buffy.

He's just all over the place.

And it feels like he's.

Everybody likes Seth Green.

He had a really high approval rating.

And then he has Robot Chicken.

You know, this wasn't his first high school school movie.

I can do this.

Um,

airborne, I don't know if you're gonna get it.

Airborne

does that.

Okay, that's what I'm thinking.

Um, my stepmother's an alien.

See, in high school, can't buy me love.

Oh, can't buy me love.

He's Chucky, the little annoying brother who keeps trying to who he's Patrick Dempsey's brother.

Have you seen Airborne, though?

The roller bleeding movie.

I don't know if I saw Airborne.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, okay.

You should watch Airborne.

Young Jack Black's in that movie.

Seth Green's in that movie, Lana Ubak's in that movie.

It's about a California surfer bro who moves to like the mid-like Minneapolis, something like that.

It's like snowing all the time, and he discovers rollerblading, and that's how they all like bond together-the hockey kids and the California kids.

I missed out on all the roller skating, rollerblading, skateboarding movies, all of them.

I didn't want any of them.

I didn't believe any of them,

yeah, none of them.

Wow, okay, none of them.

Um,

for

who won the movie,

I think you could say Lauren Ambrose.

Because

she had the best career after, and it's so cool to see her in this movie now.

She gets

six feet under sort of off the back of this.

Yeah.

And you see the seeds of all of it, and she's had a really good career.

I mean, in the moment, it felt like Jennifer Love Hewitt won the movie, but as you said, like her characters doesn't really have a lot going on.

I think this cemented something for her moment.

Yeah.

But it didn't carry her beyond this.

I like your Seth Green coffee.

Yeah, I think it's Seth Green.

Yeah, he's the most quotable, so everyone was just like always running around dropping Kenny special K quotes.

All right, I'm nervous.

Craig Korobeck, our producer, who's never seen this movie.

I genuinely can't wait because I bet I like, I feel like I'm not.

You can't hardly wait.

I can't hardly wait.

Look, I'll be kind.

The bar is just high for high school comedies.

The bar is really high.

And this is like watching Bob Pettit.

And you're like, I get it, maybe in the moment.

I don't know if it holds up.

You know what I mean?

It kind of feels like Bob Pettit.

He's the 1950s basketball player.

It just feels like you ran, if you asked Chat GBT, like, write me, say anything in three minutes, and it cranked out, can't hardly wait.

It's tough because

it like has the look of American Pie, but it has like the feel and the earnestness of like a say anything.

And I think for my generation,

the earnestness, high school comedy died before I came around.

Like by the time I showed up, it was like super bad and all that stuff.

So kind of going back to this, like the hopeless romantic shtick,

it was tough.

It was tough.

And

the lack of star power in the cast was shocking.

And Sean was, I was talking to Sean this weekend about it and he was like, oh yeah, Ethan Embry, like people thought he was, he was a thing for like two years.

And everybody in this movie, they were like, they thought everybody was going to go on and have like a real career.

And so going back now, I was.

I was shocked at the casting of this film.

That was one of the reasons I was so excited to do it.

Because it's like this time capsule that you can't really explain 27 years later.

It's incredible, like mid-tier

of success where, like, I can name check every single person in this movie, but Craig, who just is, you know, like a decade younger than me or whatever, is just sort of like that guy, that guy, that guy, like, they were never a thing.

And also, this is sort of exactly what I expected, Craig, because it's just like, it really is a you had to be there movie.

Yeah, totally.

You definitely had to be there.

And I like, I didn't expect, I was like, Craig's not going to like this at all.

No, I know.

It's just, it's laid on thick, you know, all the, all the the archetypes are laid on pretty thick.

I do think there are like storylines that I like.

I actually, I think the nerd kid getting drunk is funny.

That worked for me.

Yeah.

And I love the best part of the movie.

You didn't really talk about it.

The Jerry O'Connell scene, I think, is legitimately good.

Yeah.

And that could have been the sequel or just exploring the theme of peaking in high school or the guy who was awesome going to college and realizing that he's a loser and coming back.

I thought that interaction between the two of them was like, was like, you know, the ghost of Christmas Past coming back and telling you what your future is like i thought it was pretty good it was like a you know mike dexter was looking at his future on the bench i thought that was good so you want the mike dexter uh like birds out of college yeah yeah i want i want mike dexter going to college with jerry o'connell yeah but you know what craig everything he just laid out is one of the reasons i like this movie is because the late 90s had no interest in really exploring anything no they just wanted they they cared about is there a good soundtrack did you get enough young stars can you describe the theme of the movie in a sentence?

Let's go.

Can you film this in 25 days?

And this was just three years of movies.

I think this movie thought it was satirizing high school archetypes.

And in reality, it was just kind of sloppy versions of them.

I don't think it thinks it.

I don't think it thought it was doing anything.

I think genuinely.

And I don't see that as a negative.

I think it was just sort of like, to your point, we have $2 to rub together and we know a bunch of young people who are out of work.

And we want to stake our claim claim as directors because this writing duo never directed anything before.

And so they're like, what's the lowest stake thing that they can, that we can put together?

And, and,

and is funny throughout, which it is.

And so in part of this era, they just shamelessly ripped off movies that already happened.

Yeah.

You know, like what was the movie, the Freddie Prince movie, where the girl.

She's all that.

It's based, it's basically Sacred Admirer, not Sacred Admirer, Camp Buy Me Love.

It's just

redone.

Or you'd have movies like The Faculty where they were just like, do you have the script yet?

The faculty's evil.

That's all we got.

But we got to shoot three weeks from now.

And we have a couple people on board already.

Nick Stahl's in.

Yeah.

Let's go.

We've got Elijah for like one month.

Yeah.

So let's just start filming and we'll figure out the script.

And that's just kind of how they did it back then.

People were dumber back then, Craig.

I don't know what to tell you.

Too much B12.

I don't know.

Yeah.

That was producer Craig Horbeck.

Thanks to Gahau as well behind the scenes.

Thanks to Joanna for spending so much time in LA with us.

I genuinely consider that

this is a gift to me.

Thank you so much, Bill.

You can watch this on the Ringer Movies YouTube page as well.

And we will see you next week.

You have to watch it because you have to see Bill's impression of Ethan Embry with your own two eyes.

Maybe I'll bring in Ethan Embry for the future.

For the is this movie better off with Sam Jackson, that whole category?

Ethan Embry, can do it.

Thanks, Joanna.