‘Wayne’s World’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

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But we wanted to celebrate SNL one more time.

We did Blues Brothers last week.

It's Wayne's World this week.

It was a special request from Kyle Brandt.

Play the trailer.

It's Wayne.

This is definitely the type of place I'm going to get when I move out of my parents' house.

It's gone.

I love you, man.

Thank you.

And they've sold out.

You know, I thought I had mono once for an entire year.

It turned out I was really boring.

Now they're out of the basement.

Highway.

And they're headed for Quakers.

Get the mess.

Waves work.

Hey, are you through yet?

Because I'm getting tired of holding this.

Shut up.

That's what she said.

Rated PT13.

Starts Friday, February 14th.

That's theaters everywhere.

All right, Kyle Bran is here.

Usually, we do bad action movies and we celebrate the careers of Stallone and Van Damme.

And I call him Von Damme and Van Damme.

And, you know, I screw that up, but we're doing Wayne's World.

This was a special request from you from like six months ago.

Why?

Yeah.

Really, really special movie to me.

Saw it when I was 13 years old.

Perfect age, perfect theater.

It's the first movie I ever went to with a girl.

I put my arm around her for the whole movie, laughed my ass off.

And it's just a very special, very happy movie in which two

fastball throwers just were throwing heat for 90 straight minutes and just giving you everything they got.

And on the rewatch, probably, Bill, I probably haven't watched Wayne's World in total in like maybe 10 years.

I find myself laughing through every scene.

It's every scene brings something and it just makes me happy.

I was really worried because I had watched pieces, but I hadn't watched Start to Finish probably in five or six years, but had seen it, I don't know how many times in the 90s and 2000s.

And I was a little worried.

I was like, is this movie Trapped the 92?

Is producer Craig going to be shitting on it at the end of the podcast?

I laughed the entire time.

And my wife came in for probably 40% of it.

And she was just like, wow, this one really makes you giggle, huh?

I was like, it just does.

It hits my funny bone.

I don't know why.

I don't know why it's still funny.

A lot of the stuff is so dated.

I can't wait to talk about some of the dated stuff.

But tie it into SNL.

This was the second sketch movie they ever turned into an action or second sketch that actually turned into a movie.

Improbable.

I remember watching SNL in college, and it was a 10-to-1 sketch, they used to call them.

It was the last sketch before the closing credits where they would just kind of shove stuff that were like passion projects for the cast or like the weirdest sketch they had.

And this was one of the most, I think this and the Barry Gibb talk show are the two most famous 10 to 1 sketches.

So they shove it in.

they start doing it over and over again.

It's right when Myers is starting to kind of take off.

First, when he joined the cast, it's like, this guy's name's Mike Myers, like Michael Myers.

Yeah, from Halloween.

And quickly he had Wayne's World Sprockets, turns into a star.

And at some point, news came out there making this movie.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

Do you remember even hearing that when you were a teenager or an almost teenager?

If I remember it right,

and it was really special because I think 12 and 13 is the time when you kind of really start to think SNL is cool, especially in the 90s and Carvey was amazing and Hartman in that era.

And I was like in seventh grade and we would come to school the next day and quote like Lothar of the Hill People or Unfrozen Caveman Lawrence.

We just thought it was so cool.

If I have it right, they ran a trailer for Wayne's World and it was an Addams family spoof that I think ran in the theater before the Addams family, which was a huge deal.

And it was Wayne and Garth singing the Addams family theme and kind of forgetting the lyrics.

And they were making a Wayne's World movie.

And I had never, listen, Blues Brothers was before my time as a kid kid at that point.

So the idea that something I watched on Saturday Night Live would be in a movie theater was electrifying, especially since Wayne and Garth were just so funny.

And I love the music with it.

I think, first of all, you're lucky that this was your cast.

And you're right.

When you're 12, 13, your first SNL cast becomes your favorite cast.

Yeah.

I think this was the best four-year stretch in the history of the show.

I think they had more important stretches.

I think you could talk about the season three and four with Belushi and Aykroyd and Bill Murray and Gilda Radner.

and you could say that you could say eddie's like two and a half year peak some people love that i get it you could say the wolf farrell basically late 90s leading into the gore bush election you could talk about the cast with sudekis and hayter and kristen wig and uh and amy poehler and all that you could go there ferrell

I just think that from 89 to 92, the show had been around long enough that all the people who were on it had kind of grown up affected by it.

So it was like second generation, and they were just loaded.

If they had Carvey and Myers and Hartman, it was fucking it's crazy to look back.

You have Farley and Sandler as like just kind of coming off the bench, shooting a couple threes as 10th men.

And like you mentioned, Lothar.

That's like a stealth SNL sketch, but that was the kind of shit they had all the time.

The Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer, all this like really, really crazy, weird stuff.

And they were just delivering every time.

And it's also early 90s were pre-even rudimentary internet.

So to see the stuff on Saturday, like try to imagine being about 14 years old and watching SNL on NBC.

And you see the Schmitz gay commercial for a gay beer.

You couldn't fucking believe what you were watching.

And there was no way to see that in the internet.

And you would talk to your friends the next day at lunch and be like, That was like a gay beer commercial.

And then the guys came out in their bikinis.

You could not fucking believe it.

And it was Farley and Sandler.

It was just like two all-timers.

It's a wonderful, wonderful time.

And one of the best things that kicked out was Wayne's world which is the best snl movie and by far the most successful snl movie yeah that's true i remember in college we would tape it because we were out and we'd watch it on sunday mornings and every once in a while like they'd have like the sinatra group sketch and we would just like we couldn't handle it i i can't imagine the show now it's like everything's online immediately there's just no way there's like the communal effect of the show um there's a really interesting

this is a dopey stupid movie right that we love

But there's a really interesting theme that ties into the early 90s with it.

It's about the concept of selling out,

which was the single most important theme of Gen X and is in all a lot of the movies that are from this era, including some we've already done.

It's the theme that drove reality bites.

And this movie, even though it's stupid in a good way.

But ultimately, it's about like, these guys had this great little cable access show, and then Rob Lowe, evil Hollywood executive, comes in and he buys the show.

He changes it.

All of a sudden, there's a narrator at the beginning, party on, Wayne, and party on, Garth.

There's a fake theme song.

Wayne's World.

Wayne's World.

And, and it's just like, this was everyone's fear for whatever reason from 91 to 95.

It was, it was in all the music.

It was in the TV.

It was in the movies.

Don't sell out.

Stay true to yourself.

Well, MTV, massive, very important to have music videos.

I look at the year before this movie came out, Metallica does the black album with Enter Enner Sandman and Nothing Else Matters and like took shit, but why are you doing a ballad?

Why are you making these videos?

And that was looked at as a sellout.

And there's that line that when they finally finished the highly produced open of the TV show and Wayne goes, party on, Garth.

And Garth goes, I guess.

And that was like, that's a reaction to someone who just sold out.

You're like, nothing else matters, a great song.

And some people want to be like, I guess.

Like, that's the whole, in one line, that's the idea of reacting to selling out.

You're right.

I mean, the most important sellout moment of the entire 90s was, I think, Pearl Jam was on Time magazine.

Yeah.

Rage.

And Eddie Better was devastated.

It led to like, like, all of their album choices for the next four years.

They were so upset that there was a possible people thinking that they were too mainstream, that they didn't care about their art, their music.

And Cobain was always the North Star for this stuff.

Like, he's begrudgingly doing everything.

All he wanted to do is care about his music.

So, anyway, the Wayne's World thing, which now it's 30, 33 years later, it really makes sense that that became the North Star for this movie.

It's like, can these guys keep their little Randy Cable access thing?

I got to say, I didn't think the show, the movie was going to work.

It just seemed inconceivable that they could drag it out for 90 minutes, but my faith was in Garth, who I thought was an all-time comedic genius.

I loved Garth on the sketches.

And I was like, man, if they could really explore the studio space with Garth, maybe we'll have something with this movie.

And then Garth is like, you know, the MVP of the movie.

He's amazing.

Well, it speaks to, I know, like, we have the Devil Wars Proud Award, right?

And it's like, did this movie set out?

It's the crazy thing.

We watched this sketch for over three years and it's only in a basement.

And people come down, but you never leave the basement.

And what they set out to achieve with this movie is, let's see what their world looks like when they go up the stairs to the basement.

They go up the state.

They start the movie with like the normal sketch.

Like, I've seen Wayne's World before.

And then they go up the stairs and Wayne breaks the fourth wall immediately.

And you're like, oh, shit, this is cool.

Like, he's talking to the camera.

And then five minutes into the movie, we're already at Bohemian Rhapsody.

And the thing's incredible.

They do an amazing job of coming up the stairs.

You're right.

Probably the best of any sketch turned in.

I mean, we talked about Blues Brothers last week, which I know, big Chicago movie.

I'm sure you've seen it a few times in your life.

Same thing where it's like, how are they going to turn this premise into this whole bigger world?

The only hint that they could do this with the movie in Wayne's World was when they had the, they had that great sketch with Aerosmith and Tom Hanks as like the groupie.

Siblins.

Siblins.

But those

Aerosmith guys came into

came into Wayne's world in the basement for a little bit.

And it was like, all right, this is like, this is weird.

It's also kind of cool that Aerosmith is in Wayne's basement.

And it kind of, to me, opened the door for.

Well, it's Aerosmith and it's the Madonna Truth or Dare spoof.

Right.

They're doing this big, heavily produced thing.

And Wayne's like, I dare you to make out with me.

And then

it was like the biggest thing ever.

So they did a little bit, but I didn't think this movie could be as good as it is.

And I think it's still excellent.

You were talking about how much you were laughing.

There's some of the stuff now when you watch that you laugh at because it's genuinely funny.

I find myself laughing that we used to laugh at this because it's so stupid, but I promise you at the time, we laughed at it and it was cool.

Well, Myers kicks off this whole era of like this absurdist meta referencing little stuff that had happened in the past leading to Austin Powers and all those movies.

And this is like a 12-year run of just goofiness.

You know, it's all the Jim Carrey movies.

It wasn't really until that 03, 04 range with old school and the Appentale movies that we moved into some new version of movie comedy.

But I think Myers really set the tone here for about a decade.

Just be as goofy as possible.

Yeah, listen, all the stuff when he talks about that they're making a movie this is the oscar clip this is the gratuitous sex scene obviously we're going to talk about the sponsorship scene which is it's just iconic you know what i find myself reminded of in a contemporary sense i find myself thinking about deadpool and these ryan reynolds movies in which he's constantly talking to camera breaking fourth wall talking about the movie itself and ryan reynolds is a guy who grew up in canada and i would guess probably idolized mike myers without knowing that that's what kids are watching now and there's a lot of wayne's Wayne's world in these massive Deadpool movies.

Yeah.

It just, it just works, man.

He talks to the camera and I get it.

I feel like I'm hanging out with Wayne.

One of the other things from the early 90s, and I think the SNL would always, I've talked about it before, but SNL was, these were all kids raised on pop culture.

Right.

We didn't have the internet.

We didn't have all these different things.

So we all kind of got the same jokes because we're all watching the same shows and the same movies.

And Myers was the best at that, I think, of anyone on the show.

And even like you see in this movie, like he's ripping off a Laverne and Shirley parody where they see the sign and he's like, you know what?

We're doing a shot by shot Laverne and Shirley parody.

And it's like, I was the, I'm like 100% the audience for that.

I'm like, are they doing this?

Oh, we're doing it.

And yes, I just think now I don't know what that is in 2025.

I think it would be so hard to find common ground with everybody watching anything.

that they would get like, oh shit, I bet he's about to do the Laverne and Shirley shot for shot.

And then they do it.

It's, they, they do a really deeply produced Laverne and Shirley.

Listens to music.

That probably took them two weeks to shoot that thing.

It was so important.

And it's like, it's so unbelievably dated for someone watching now.

And I just think that that was one thing that was tough for me is that now that I watch it, at 13, there were so many ref, I didn't know who Dick Van Patton was.

I didn't know Rabbi Shankar and all that shit.

Like, I barely knew Laverne and Shirley.

The two Darrens.

The two Darren.

Sergeant York, all that.

I didn't know any of that stuff.

I just, it was still funny the way he was saying it.

So I would laugh.

But you probably got that stuff.

I got all of it.

And I've said this before, but the SNL sketch that is one of the most dated sketches that was also a Hall of Fame sketch was when Susan Day from the Partridge family was on.

And they did a Brady Bunch versus Partridge family kind of musical showdown.

And Chris Farley was Reuben, and they were able to use the whole cast.

And it was just like, this is, this is it, man.

You guys have nailed it.

This is my entire childhood in one sketch.

And Wayne, a lot of the stuff that he did, Meyers on the show as Wayne and Sprockets.

And

he was always kind of dipping back into the 70s and 80s.

And then eventually, with Austin Powers, just became like 60s James Bond movies crossed with English Spy movies as like this whole thing.

Anyway, Myers.

So he's a real star at this point.

I don't know if he's the biggest star on the show, but he was probably the one doing the most interesting stuff.

I think Hartman was the best guy on the show.

Carve was probably the biggest star.

And Myers was like, you just kind of never knew what was next for him.

What he would, he would always be kind of zagging, doing like coffee talk all of a sudden and always like taking pretty big character swings, which you don't see in the show anymore.

Well, Hartman was the ultimate glue guy in that he, you know, he would do some solo stuff, but he could tie it together with the cast.

Myers' stuff where he really shined was either him by himself, like Simon or like Lo Star mostly, or Wayne and Garth, but like

a sketch comedy prodigy.

The backstory for him is everyone tells their audition story.

Mike Myers did not audition for SNL.

He was doing a display at the Second City in Toronto.

Martin Short saw him and called Lauren Michaels and said, you have to hire this guy.

Did not audition, was hired.

That's like, that's unheard of.

No audition.

And he came on in the middle of a season, mid-season replacement.

And by the end of the season, he was already doing these characters and then became a star really fast.

It's funny.

This happens sometimes on the show where the person joins the show either start of the season or sometimes mid-season and you know right away like kristen wig was on it was like within two episodes like oh this is easy hater was like that um and myers was definitely like that what's weird is there were some people that i remember really like andy sandberg's another good one i remember uh ben stiller yep

had a couple really funny things during i think he was only on for like eight nine episodes but it seemed like they had something there and it just didn't happen sarah silverman was another one she was on weekend update a few times and I thought killed.

And we were like, who's this?

This girl's great.

And then was gone.

So I don't know what Lauren's calculus is for some of these.

Myers and stuff.

That's the weirdest niche, dude.

That is the guys where you're like, oh, that person, what?

Jay Moore, Downey Jr., Stiller.

Those really talented people who just didn't fit or something.

Tim Robinson was a latest one in like the mid-2010s, just didn't make it and probably should have.

So Myers,

pretty,

and there's been a few SNO books, and there's been a lot written about the show pretty early on.

It's clear he's he's an artist, he's a little bit of an atypical SNO cast member, a little difficult.

And uh, and this becomes part of the Myers kind of legacy as we go from the last couple of years, SNO, Wayne's World, all the way through Austin Powers.

There's multiple, like

really harsh pieces written about him, like a Vanity Fair piece in 2000.

There's an Entertainment Weekly.

You can go find these pieces online.

He said his dad died in 1991, and he kind of went on a spiritual quest after that.

And just

he admits that he got a little strange, but

the Carvey stuff with this movie, Carvey versus Myers, and all of the research, and which a lot of people know, is this, I didn't know any of it in the early 90s.

a really fascinating part of this movie.

Myers didn't want Carvey in the movie.

He wanted it to just be Wayne.

After the movie, a couple of years later, he kind of openly steals Carvey's Doctor Evil, which was a Lorne Michaels impersonation, just turns it into Doctor Evil.

And Carvey's pissed about it for 20 years.

They don't talk.

And that becomes part of the baggage of this movie in a not great way.

Do you care?

I care now.

And I...

It goes back deep.

Like it's, it's Myers would do Wayne for years before SNL.

He would, it it would be part of his Second City stuff.

You have this character named Wayne gets SNL and he's like, all right, I want to do Wayne.

He's this guy who likes heavy metal and is funny.

And they're like, no, you got to have a wingman.

You got to have somebody else.

He tells the story that he said, all right, I picked Dana Carvey because he was the best person in the cast.

But then I also hear that he doesn't want him in the movie, even though he's in the sketch.

And I've heard you guys talk about the Dr.

Evil stuff, which is Carvey has said it.

I mean, I think he was on Howard Stern saying, it's not just the voice.

When I would do Lauren Michaels, I would do the backwards pinky finger too, which is basically how Mike Myers ended up printing money.

And in the lens of Dana Carvey going on to not have a huge movie career, it's rough, man.

I mean, it's, it's, it's, I don't like hearing about it.

And Carvey said it was, you know, complete betrayal.

I guess in the last couple years, they've, they've buried the hatchet.

They're apparently good friends now, and they're doing the whole thing.

And I think, I think Myers has apologized to him, but I think, especially in the SNL circles, the people around the show, the writers, I think they were kind of shocked by the Doctor Evil thing for two reasons.

One, that it was such a blatant Lauren imitation.

And then two, that he took this thing that Carvey did.

Now, the counter would be everybody imitated Lauren.

You imitated Boss.

That's what you do.

But according to research, Mike didn't want Dana in the movie.

He acted like,

you know, a crazy star in the set.

The director did not like him.

By 2008, Entertainment Weekly wrote about Myers, his unique brand of humor, driven by outside absurdist characters, psych gigs, and elaborately constructed and at times esoteric wordplay may be falling out of fashion as audiences drift toward more grounded, relatable comedies, like knocked up.

But then they add, the degree of enmity directed toward Myers by some who've worked with him, even years after the fact, is rare.

Says one executive who had a rocket relationship with Myers.

I honestly root against him.

And there's way more stuff.

And it's just like, one guy, there's another exe in that thing.

He's like, he's a great conversationalist, fun to talk to.

It's all brain.

He's not able to intuit anything real or natural about human experience.

The truth is, for a lot of comedians, there's like a degree of Asperger's syndrome.

He just seems, his just seems more acute.

These are things written in like national magazines about Mike Myers.

So difficult guy

made Wayne's World 2, making that happen difficult too.

And guess what?

I don't care because the movie made me laugh the entire time I watched it.

I love it.

It bothers me to to hear it, but then when I watch the movie, I instantly forget it.

And you know how he must have been a really, really strong personality, tough to deal with?

Wayne's World is his first ever movie.

He has never appeared in any movie scene of any kind.

He's the lead in this movie and he's still like not happy to be there at all and not like, wow, great.

I get to make a movie.

Still causing that many problems.

And that's how strong opinionated he was.

Tough.

Carvey.

had done Opportunity Knox, a movie that didn't make it.

And this ends up being the most successful movie that he's in.

There's a lot of mystery why he wasn't a bigger movie star, why he didn't, why at least he didn't have like a Wolf Ferrell arc.

And I don't really have the answer.

And I don't know at the very least why he didn't have some sort of like John C.

Riley type of comedy career where maybe he's not the main guy, but he's always in great parts for eight, nine years.

He, he, he got, he had some sort of illness at some point.

I forget if it was the late 90s, early 2000s.

I think that screwed it up a little bit.

He had a family.

I don't, maybe he didn't want it as badly as some others, but I feel like we're like four Dana Carvey great movie parts short.

Looking back now, I have several thoughts on this for one of my flex categories today.

Okay, we'll save it.

Yeah, save it.

We can talk about that.

You know, we can talk about Roblox comeback movie.

Come on now.

Let's go.

I love Roblox in this podcast.

Roblo,

incredible 80s, just banging out hits.

Huge part of the pop culture.

And then had a had a sex tape thing.

And it seemed like his career was over, but Lauren Michaels loved him because he was a great SNO host.

He hosted one of the best SNO episodes of that entire era.

One of the

sketches was he played Carsinio.

No, no, he didn't play Carsinio.

He played Arsinio.

Yeah.

And had like these long fingers and was just doing the whoop, whoop, whoop.

He was amazing.

It was like Rob Lowe's funny.

Nobody had any idea.

So Michaels fouled it away and then casts him as the evil tv executive i watched this morning i it's the 1990 episode that rob low hosted the opening monologue is very strange he comes out and he hasn't made a movie in two years and he's hosting snl he has this videotape scandal with these young women and it was dicey as hell and as he's going through the monologue they have plants in the audience and they're yelling at him i have a daughter and everyone kind of laughs nervously and then lovitz comes up and says you know rob i'll take it from here it's a very odd monologue but became a very good episode.

Yeah.

And there was, I think he, maybe he was in Sprockets, but I just remember, I just remember him being great.

And by the time he got into this movie, wasn't surprising.

Ends up being in Tommy Boy, and it resuscitates his career.

He ends up on

West Wing.

He's really good in this.

Michaels picked a director who had only made really music documentaries, who was in her mid-40s, Penelope Spherus.

Yep.

Because he liked her documentaries and he felt like this needed like a hard-driving musical edge.

It was a very unusual choice.

It worked because the movie's good.

It was written by Bonnie and Terry Turner, who were had an SNL pedigree and went on to write a whole bunch of stuff.

$20 million budget, $183.1 million.

It makes.

It's the 10th biggest movie of 1992.

Phenomenon.

I have to have a sequel, which we'll talk about later.

Roger Ebert,

three stars.

Good.

Good.

See?

He said, I walked into Wayne's world expecting a lot of dumb, vulgar comedy, and I got plenty.

But I also found what I didn't expect, a genuinely amusing, sometimes even intelligent undercurrent.

Raj!

He's back.

Raj likes story and comedy.

All right, we're going to take a break, and then we're going to do the categories.

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Mixing it up a little bit.

I'm starting with what's the most 1992 thing about this movie.

Okay.

Because the answer is actually everything.

But I'll give you some choices and then feel free to throw in some more.

There's a commercial for the clapper.

Yeah.

Great Poupon parodies.

Alice Cooper, Meatloaf, nostalgic casting.

Laura Flynn Boyle, when she was kind of like

kind of a little bit hot career-wise.

Yeah.

There's two, there's a conversation about the two Darren Stevenses that I guarantee producer Craig wasn't following.

You have cameos from Ione Skye, who wasn't saying anything, Ed O'Neal, who's married with children, and Chris Farley.

You've Donna Dixon, about 10 years removed from being a true TV babe icon from Bosom Buddies, who now married to Dan Aykrid.

Portable CD players in a car.

Yeah.

That just made me happy.

Rob Lowe's ties.

I don't know if you noticed some of the ties he had.

That was like that era that was in with just like the craziest designs possible.

you never wear one of those ties on a TV set now.

Never.

People would think you were like trying to raise money for some sort of charity.

Successful arcade owners might be my pick.

Kids keep coughing up quarters.

And then a Scooby-Doo ending would be my last one.

Is there anything else you would have for this?

You got mine in there.

I mean, we missed the Chia Pet is in there.

Empire Carpeting.

I know we're going to talk needle drop later, but Ugly Kid Joe was just amazing.

And I hate everything about you.

But when he's driving with Cassandra and he has the dashboard-mounted Discman CD player, who then he opens up and she says, wow, look at the CD player.

And then the song he puts on is a deep-cut chili pepper song that is the B-side to Under the Bridge.

That is my answer.

That's holy shit.

That's good.

It's beautiful.

I think I had four different versions of that

card disc because it would just get stolen.

not you the moment you forgot to lock a door or leave a window open that thing was just getting pulled out did you have the one that where you would put a cassette tape in and the cassette had wires that came out of it that went to the cd player that one was oh yeah i had that one that was like the first one i had that yeah did you yeah

that's great

i was eventually got pretty good on that

What's the perfect age to see this movie?

What did you have for this?

Initially, I was going to say 13 because of your entry to SNL, but I missed so many of the jokes.

I think it's actually what Wayne's age is in this movie, which is a little debatable, but he's living with his parents, and I think he's like 23.

I think out on your own, but maybe you have a crappy job and you live to have bands and music on the weekend.

What do you think?

I think college.

It really hit home in college, but I think it's like sophomore junior, senior in college somewhere in there.

It's perfect.

Because a lot of the pop culture stuff, you have to be kind of old enough to get.

Yeah.

I never watched Bewitch, but I got the two Darrens joke.

Like, there wasn't a single joke in that movie that I didn't get, even though I was just old enough to have a history for it.

And then the Devil Wears Proud Award: for is this movie actually perfect for what it tried to do?

I'm going to say yes.

Yeah.

They said it's like a 9.7.

Yeah.

In a wholly, fully realized world with friends and characters and rock bands.

It was great.

Most re-watchable scene, opening scene.

You think it's an SNL sketch and then it blows out.

Bohemian Rhapsody.

Let's go.

I think we'll go with a little Bohemian Rhapsody, gentlemen.

Good call.

I see a little silhouette of a man.

Scaramouche, Scaramouche, through you to the bandango.

Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening.

Probably my answer, it brings me the most joy.

Um, the first time they did it, when, or the first time you saw the movie, kind of didn't know what was happening, and it was so goofy and silly, but so much fun to watch.

It kind of resuscitated Queen.

Yes, not that Queen was dead, but I all of a sudden the song was number two.

It had been out for, I don't know how many years, it rose to number two in the rankings because the music video, everything about it.

And then Great Chicago footage.

I mean, it's Aurora, but it's like there's

a couple of Chicago adjacent landmarks.

What else did he like?

You can't say enough about the Bohemian Rhapsody scene.

That was the takeaway from this movie for the masses.

That's why it was a big hit.

And I think it's really interesting because if you have some of it in the research, like Myers insisted that it was Bohemian Rhapsody.

It was a queen song.

It's old at that point.

It's not a 90s song.

Myers loves everything British.

And then allegedly there was pushback from Lorne Michaels who wanted it to be welcome to the jungle and Myers eventually won and I think he won I'll tell you why I saw this movie at 13 years old I had never heard Bohemian Rhapsody in my life I didn't know what the hell that song was I don't know this beals the bub and all that shit they're talking about and the headbanging was crazy to me and a kind of a cool thing like when the bohemian rhapsody movie came out with rami malak I, through the NFL, got to interview the four guys in the band, like Rami Malik and the three other dudes.

And I asked them, I said, so when did you guys first hear queen's music and these are pretty erudite smart like mostly british actors outside of ramy and i thought they'd be like oh you know with my vinyl collection of my father every single one in the band said wayne's world waynesworld wayne's world i all heard rami malak won an oscar playing freddie mercury and he he first heard freddie mercury in the mirthmobile in wayne's world like that is so cool that's a big deal I was not, you know, we didn't have a lot of musical choices in the 80s from a library standpoint because rock had only really existed since the late 60s.

Bohemian Rhapsody was not like a song that I was put on mixtapes.

It was not a song we were cranking.

It was, it completely reinvented the song, even though the song was there the whole time and then became this legendary song.

I'm sure like the giant diehard queen fans would be like, no, no, that was, we always knew that was like, I'm just saying like for the general population, it was always we are the champions and another one bites the dust or like the two giant queen does.

Yeah, exactly.

Bohemian had that.

And it made me think like, if you could have picked a better song in 1992.

And I was thinking, like, if they had dropped Smells Like Teen's Spirit in that scene, would that have totally changed the movie?

It came out in 91.

They're probably shooting the movie in 91.

It would have worked and been cool, but there was something timeless and nostalgic about Bohemian Rhapsody that just worked.

And Myers was right.

Myers was right.

Apparently allegedly threatened to walk off the set if they didn't listen to him on it.

I think from a nostalgia standpoint, what we talked about earlier with like, this is a movie made by people raised by 70s and 80s pop culture.

It made sense.

And it's just fucking funny.

It's like, it's campy.

It's good.

The music video, which was on for a year, and it always ended with Myers getting out of the car and doing that thing with his hands.

I can't tell you how many times I watched it.

That was the height MTV.

That was the Beavis and Butthead era.

Great Chicago footage.

It has the stop by to look at the guitar.

It will be mine.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yes.

It will be mine.

it has the stealth garth not knowing the words so funny where they cut him and he's just

moving his little curled lips while it's nothing really mad and he's way off i love that part of it

uh i think it has wins two extra awards the kid cutting pursuit of happiness award for best needle drop and then the okay motherfucker the award for the exact moment when the movie just goes up a notch because it's like oh it's just gonna be a waynesworld sketch and they're gonna look at the camera and it's like oh shit

now we're doing Bohemian Rhapsody and a 1976 Pacer.

Yes.

That's what we're doing.

Yes.

And it goes right into the cop when they meet the cop.

Does anyone smell bacon?

I don't know.

Still makes me laugh.

I definitely smell a pork product of some kind.

Officer Koharski.

Great.

Next one.

Stan McKeith's Donuts.

Right into the nightclub.

We're just,

I'm just combining those scenes.

We get Ed O'Neill's Glenn the Manager.

He's a fucking phenomenon.

Serial killer, apparently.

Donna Dixon, Stacey, the psycho hose beast.

We go to the nightclub.

We get Meatloaf as the manager, which was like really, really impressive stunt casting in 1992.

I don't know if the impacts still.

They never even zoom in on Meatloaf's face.

You're like, is that fucking Meatloaf?

You're trying to see on the VHS?

And it is.

Yeah.

We get the shitty Beatles mentioned.

Are they any good?

They stuck.

So it's just not just a clever name.

We find out Crucial Taunt is just wrapping up their set.

Yep.

We get Tia Carrera singing Fire, Garth Tasering, somebody, Dreamweaver, another callback to

a Big 70s song.

And then my favorite part of this whole scene when he's trying to hit on Tia Carrera after, and he says, And you are Cassandra.

Cassandra.

Rough night, huh?

Everybody's kung fu fighting.

Yeah.

Well, nice meeting you.

Hey, hold on.

Can I call you sometime?

If you got five bucks, you can come to the red party.

It's at my loft.

I'm there.

And then for us, like they'd use this in the sketches, but she makes me feel kind of funny.

Like when I climbed the rope in gym class, it was a joke for the entire 90s for me with my friends.

We would say every girl we would talk about like that.

We would say that and then we would say, at first it's constrictive and then after a while it becomes a part of you, like a new pair of underpants.

Yeah.

What you just described is like the first 12 to 15 minutes of the movie and it's absolutely perfect.

There's fun fun camera play where Garth's like, oh, what's that over there?

And then he fakes out the camera and runs away.

It's all so fun.

A lot of these comedies from the 80s and 90s, the first hour or the first 45 minutes is usually the best part.

And I think this, this probably leans that way too.

The first hour is just a home run, but the first 15, 20 minutes is

not a wasted minute.

Really great, really funny.

Next one, Rob Lowe offers them a contract.

They're at that bar with that big, big drink.

The pineapple thing up front.

Yeah.

We're between laws right now.

And then Gar says, I grabbed him by his big fat head.

And I said, listen, man, I'm not going to go to jail for you or anybody.

We get the Twilight Zone analogy, too.

And then we get the, we got $5,000 theme song.

I really like that scene.

Everybody used to walk around saying, I've got $5,000.

That's one of the thousand things you'd say from this movie.

And it's a fun little scene.

And Lo is good in it as usual.

Watching airplanes take off is really fun.

And they're talking about Tia.

In In French, she would be called Le Renard.

And the car says, she's Abraham Lincoln.

Baby Majora.

That stuff worked.

We were all laughing at that stuff back then, Abraham Lincoln.

It was awesome.

Craig,

without spoiling your take at the end, did you find that funny or absolutely ridiculous?

The Abraham Lincoln?

Yeah.

All that stuff.

Yeah, I love that stuff.

Okay, good.

They killed.

Bugs Bunny.

Was Bugs Bunny attractive when he wore a dress?

It's an argument when you're lying on a car watching airplanes go by.

I don't know.

It would have made time.

And then at the end, Garth just says, No, neither did I.

I was just saying.

The Foxy Lady scene is probably Carvey's

greatest minute in the movie.

And you know, he's just a really special comic talent.

That's like nobody, I don't know if anyone else, other than maybe Jim Carrey, pulls that off from a physical standpoint.

Just really good.

Yeah, and when I was watching this, one of the times I laughed the hardest when my wife goes, What are you watching?

is at the very end when they go tight on Garth and he goes, Here I come, girl.

I'm coming to get you.

And he's just like super sex machine with that stupid wig and glasses.

And Carvey is so, so funny.

Well, I have this teamed with Myers and the underwear scene because both of them just physically are so funny in that.

But Meyer is trying to mess with her when she's on the phone.

He's in his underwear and he's walking around.

And

it's just like it's, he does some of that.

And so I married an axe murderer, too.

It's just like, it's, I'm just going to laugh.

I'm sorry.

I'm always going to think that's funny.

Rob Lowe's apartment.

Next rewatchable scene.

A fully functional babe layer.

He's got a Rolodex.

Wayne orders the cream of some young guy.

I laughed.

Who wants Chinese takeout?

I know a great place.

I'll have the cream of some young guy.

Understand, when that line came out, for the next 20 years, anytime anyone was ordering Chinese food, someone would say, I'll have the cream of some young guy.

You had to say it.

Rob Lowe orders and Cantine's.

This guy's good.

The first new Wayne's World show.

I have in there with the Noah arcades, the present sign where they're like, what the fuck is happening?

The generic announcer, Wayne changes the index cards.

That's great.

Then Wayne gets fired.

Garth has toast.

And then I put the third ending.

It's pretty funny.

The super happy ending makes me laugh.

Anything else you got?

It's just those index cards.

It's not just that he writes, he blows goats.

He says, I have proof.

And that line always kills me.

I'm like, he has proof that he blows goats.

And just the stupid little stuff.

Like, we haven't talked much about not yet.

I know we'll get there, but like, he introduced him.

He goes, here's our sponsor, Noah Vanderhoff.

Nice name, not.

And I laughed when I watched that last night.

Yeah, yeah.

So, what do you got for most of Rachel?

Rhapsody?

Um,

it's the most memorable scene for me.

The Makitas into the gas works is the best stretch of this movie, and it's unbelievably good.

I would go with that.

What's age the best?

We talked about

Myers-Carvey, just the intrigue of their relationship age really nicely.

A Chris Farley cameo.

It's great to see

super early for him too.

Yeah, and he was funny and he was doing his

come up through Chicago and you can tell like that guy totally has it.

He's talking about cities and I'm laughing.

I mentioned the music video.

The no stairway to heaven sign in the music store.

Okay.

Which is great.

I don't know if that still happens, but that was the go-to song for anybody learning how to tune a guitar in 1992.

and there was there's weird with that where everybody had the vhs of wayne's world i think it was even one you could get at mcdonald's if you ordered a value meal and he would start this that scene and wayne would play these three bizarre notes that sounded nothing like stairway because they couldn't get the rights right so the story is they couldn't they or wouldn't pay led zeppelin to even play those three notes so they it doesn't sound anything like stairway the joke doesn't make sense but we just went with it for years so in the research

they they said they didn't want to pay the $100,000 for the VHS and the DVD.

And so, instead, they mangled the movie.

It's $100,000.

I can't imagine how many people bought the Wayne's World VHS.

Like, they definitely could have paid for it.

And it fucked up the movie like forever.

And then, when they finally did like the Blu-ray, I think, and three years ago, they fixed it.

If you watch it on Amazon now, just if you rent it for three bucks, it's the notes from Stairway to Heaven.

And it totally makes sense.

And the joke is there.

Everyone, even though it didn't make sense, we would still all talk about no stairway.

It's the joke still lived without it making any sense at all.

I mean, you could buy it for five bucks on Amazon.

It was half price because I think it was because SNO week.

Yeah, I have more.

What do you have for What Stage the Best?

We talk about Tia Carrera's performance.

Like I fucking love her in this movie.

And the fact that they chose her and where she came from, like Tia Carrera was from Hawaii.

She had done all these weird, stupid little shows that they did back there, like Air Wolf or Love Boat, that type of stuff, and was going to do Baywatch and did this movie.

And as far as I've read, understood, does all of the singing.

That's actually her.

It's not like Marty McFly with a fake voice singing, Go Johnny Go.

That's actually her singing.

I love her in this movie.

Love it.

I had a different spot for her later.

I'm happy to do this now.

What do we got?

Never understood why she wasn't in more stuff.

And she wasn't bad.

Like, she was in true lies.

Like, she was in some good stuff.

She had a good career.

She was curb your enthusiasm even with uh she played richard lewis's girlfriend yeah yeah but i was everybody i knew loved her yeah and i almost feel like this feels like yet another hollywood feeling somebody who was actually talented but there was some there was some extra awesome part for her that i don't know what it was and uh because she was really like really talented very very talented obviously beautiful but also like cool with the comedy i'm sure you appreciate her in rising sun with connery and snapes like that came a few years later too come on i know you're on who are you talking to I know you're on that.

Who are you talking to?

Yeah.

I thought she hung with the comedy really well and was like a good wingman because we've seen, you know, especially in these 90s, 2000 comedies, I thought Beyonce really struggled in the third Austin Powers movie, but Heather Graham, even though I wouldn't call her the greatest actress, was kind of good at playing off

Austin.

But then Elizabeth Hurley, who I wouldn't have expected, was really good.

You just kind of never know.

And they would just always throw in, but she was was great i thought with playing off hanging in with that scene and the subtitles that's like high comedy when it's they're going back and forth and they have to wait and the timing is there and like myers is just cooking and i'm never like this girl's over her skis at all i i just think she does a really really good job in the movie and like i'm always i'm a lifetime fan of her just because she's cassandra yeah and also i think she has a really critical role and like her casting in this role bill keeps this from maybe being the whitest movie of all time it's still probably in conversation but if if if they cast somebody else who's not her, it's the whitest movie ever made from start to finish.

But I think Aurora, Illinois, I think maybe that was one of the things they were going for.

Yeah.

Craig,

bringing you in again, Tia Carrera,

what were your thoughts watching this?

And what did you leave with, like wondering what she, what other stuff she did?

I hadn't, I watched Curb, so I remember her from Curb, but the first time I really saw her in a movie was when we did True Lies.

Yeah.

And I I thought she was kind of like, honestly, a replaceable character in that.

Like, you could have probably slotted a lot of people in.

I thought she was awesome in this.

I assumed she was lip-syncing, but watching the film, I was like, man, she's doing either the best lip-syncing job I've ever seen, or she's actually singing.

I thought she was awesome and had great comedic timing.

Yeah,

so very good looking.

Yeah, Hollywood failed her.

There was a couple other places.

There was also not a lot of people like her

in Hollywood at that time.

So too bad.

What else do you have?

The soundtrack.

this musically, this movie drops at a really interesting time, Bill.

It's the hair metal thing is just kind of dying, and grunge is just showing up.

And my take on the soundtrack is that singles is looked at as the grunge movie, and it has total credibility.

It's very doing this,

doing which.

I'm just, I just want to put my seatbelt on if you're going where I think you're going.

This, this is a much more fun,

more watchable movie than singles that has at least one foot in grunge they play a temple of the dog song in this it's called all night thing like they were there early and it was cool and like i like this movie much more than singles it's not as it's not as serious and maybe not quite as smart i guess but it has total credibility in hair metal and grunge

i had it in what stage the best because it does a nice job of 70s early 80s nostalgia stuff like Dreamweaver, behemoth and rhapsody.

It also has Black Sabbath.

It has Eric Clapton, Alice Cooper with Feed My Frankenstein, which I guess he insisted on his manager wanted him to play that instead of one of his hits.

You have Tia Carrera dude in the Ballroom Blitz with the re-recording of that one.

And the Red Hot Chili Pepper song you mentioned and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Hendrix.

And Hendrix.

which is probably the most fun Hendrix song you could have put in a movie other than Hey Joe.

But it's basically three different genres of music that they're weaving into it.

I know.

I also thought,

what was Tia's band?

I'm blanking.

Crucial Taunte.

The Crucial Taunte wasn't bad.

Kind of like a high-end club band.

Like if you were on a Wednesday night in Aurora, like, oh, Crucial Taunte's playing, this is great.

Got this mega babe for a lead singer.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're awesome.

I love them.

A couple more.

Woodstage is the best.

Dutch door action?

Great.

First he screws me, then he screws you.

It's Dutch door action.

I used to say that all the time.

Is that a real thing, or do you think Myers invented that on the spot?

Well, a Dutch door is one that is kind of cut in half in the middle, I think, and the top opens and then the bottom, but it almost sounds like an ad-lib.

I've never heard Dutch door action when it pertains to how you treat someone.

Is that a possible production company for you?

Dutch door action productions, your new production company?

Yeah, we make porn.

It's great.

Rob Lowe saying literally in this movie.

And then apparently on Parks and Rec, that became like the guy's catchphrase that he played on Parks and Wreck.

So apparently, did you not watch Parks and Wreck, Bill?

I saw some of them.

I didn't see all of them.

I'm in the same boat.

I wasn't a huge Parks and Rec guy.

Yeah.

I didn't put this as a rewatchable scene because I only really like one part, but the Alice Cooper, the Millet Wauke.

Fantastic.

One of my college roommates, Chip Kane, was from Milwaukee, and

we just changed it to Millet Wake from that point on.

We went to see him.

We're like, we're going to go to Millet.

I'd never heard it before.

We loved it.

Got like

six, seven years out of that.

Which is Algonquin for the Good Land.

One of the most interesting things about Milwaukee, Bill, it's the only major American city to have elected three socialist mayors.

Cooper is great in that.

He really is.

Apparently, he didn't know he was going to have dialogue and they just threw like all this dialogue at him.

He's like, all right, I got it.

Yeah.

He thought he was just like doing like a handshake scene.

He didn't realize he was speaking.

That dynamic of that scene where they're just like, party.

Oh my God, it's Alex Cooper.

And he's like, well, Milwaukee's certainly had a share of visitors over the years.

It's, he's, it's excellent.

And by the way, the another thing that just everybody does when you have the backstage pass and you just hold it out in front of you to show everyone, that's that's became because of this movie.

You did it.

Yeah, I had that too.

The also the blue screen taping, not quite good enough for a rewatchable scene, but when they're in the different cities and then it gets to Delaware, it's hi.

I'm in Delaware.

Really funny because I have some of the Simmons family lives in Delaware, so we got a lot of enjoyment out of that.

That still hangs around to this day.

You know what that line is like?

It is like in sideways.

I'm not drinking any fucking Merlot.

Right.

And then for Merlot, it's dead for decades.

Anytime you mention Delaware to someone above a certain age, you just say, hi, I'm in Delaware.

It's permanent.

Right.

The brand and content segment's funny.

Fantastic.

For 1992, it was right when we were kind of losing our minds with people shoehorning products and this stuff.

How'd you feel about street hockey in Blackhawks jerseys?

I felt great.

A random sports scene out of nowhere, and it gave us the chorus of game on, car.

I love that part.

It's great.

They don't need to have that.

They could be sitting on bar stools just talking about Benjamin.

They go out and play some sports.

It's pleasing to the eye.

And then you get Stacey driving by and crossing into the Trans America.

And that's a laugh out loud moment.

And that was

in the trailer, I remember.

In like the commercial when they were running the commercial.

Endlessly, it was always her going into it.

Led Zeppelin didn't write tunes that everyone liked.

They left that to the Bee Gees.

It's just Age the Best.

People still love the Bee Gees.

33 years later, Wayne was calling it.

So Carvey did his own drum playing for the music shop scene and is apparently a talented drummer.

That was really him

and just 100% authentic.

Yeah, we watched that sketch for four years and he kind of just drums on his legs a little bit, but then they put in like this long drum solo and I guess he's really talented would you have lusting after claudia schiffer and what's age the best or what's age the worst

both probably best for me i mean i i'm a fan of

best for me but i don't know if it's age well because like does how many people under like 35 remember claudia schiffer oh um

yeah well she she shows up in love actually

And so people actually know that movie really well.

And so that's timeless every show.

I think they might know her.

I have two more.

What's age the best?

I kind of enjoyed Tia's music.

I'm just going to be honest.

I listened.

She's doing all covers.

I enjoyed the passion.

She's really into it.

Good performer.

Just kind of fun to watch.

It could have been way worse, is my point.

She, the crucial taunt set list: you have fire and you got ballroom blitz, and then she's got the one that's got, ain't got no reason for reaction.

Reaction.

Yeah, that's cool.

And then it's like,

why are you gonna break my heart?

Ooh, it's that's probably the worst one, and it's still solid.

It's a cheesy ballad.

I have their band comp.

It's like it's a little bit of Lita Ford, which is the touch of hole.

And it's a pretty cool band.

I like Crucial Tongue.

Yeah, it's like before its time, not as good hole.

I like the Lita Ford.

I think you're right there.

All right.

Bits that aged the best.

We'll also be doing this for what's aged the worst.

Okay.

No way.

Way.

I think still works.

Thumbs up.

Yeah, that's what she said.

Still funny.

That's pre-office.

That's pre-Michael Scott.

That's what she said.

Will you hurry up?

I'm getting tired of holding this.

That's what she said.

Crushed it.

Still works.

I believe I requested the hand job.

Still funny.

The Terminator 2 cop, which should be dated, the cameo, but I think still works because that movie's iconic and everybody knows who the Terminator 2 cop is and it's still good.

That's this movie just hitting you with every fastball it possibly.

It doesn't need to have that.

91, Terminator 2 comes out, and the next year they get Robert Patrick to show up.

Have you seen this boy?

And everybody in the theater lost their fucking minds, brought the house down.

It was really cool.

I love that part.

That was probably one of the three biggest movies in 1991.

So it was a good cameo.

And then I still feel like the Oscar clip, extreme close-up, all that stuff still works.

I wasn't embarrassed laughing at it.

When he reaches for the water and throws it on his face, I like it.

It makes me laugh.

the gratuitous sex scene i like that what doesn't work what do you got great shot gorder award for most cinematic shot um probably something with the airplane flying over them the way they the way they shot it with those guys down i mean this isn't like the crazy best directing i like the meta answer is when wayne goes camera one camera two camera one

okay that's actually doing a shot Would you have for the Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers award for best character name?

Would you go with Garth Algar or would you go something else?

Those are great names.

Garth Algar at the time.

But also remember that one of the largest entertainers in the world was Garth Brooks.

And there was only two people I can think of ever named Garth.

And then Algar out.

Garth Algar is an awesome name.

All right.

Flex category.

I gave you a couple choices, sent you all the backup categories.

What do you got for us?

I'm going to go with an old classic on the Rewatchels.

I'm going to go with the like race horse fantasy team name, band name, because there's just so many of it.

We mentioned Dutch Door Action.

My buddy Aaron, whose bar mitzvah theme was Aaron's World, in homage to Wayne's World, he named his fantasy team the Shitty Beatles.

There's Psycho Hose Beast, but the best one by far for a horse, band name, or anything is Pralines and Dick.

If Benjamin was an ice cream flavor, he'd be Pralines and Dick.

I still laugh at that too.

Pralines and Dick is a horse name.

Perfect.

That's great.

I love that one.

Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film.

This is hard.

I'd say I'm nitpicking because I love this movie, but the last like 25 minutes probably just isn't as good as the first hour would be my nitpick.

Once they're trying to get to Jackie Sharp, the record executive.

Yeah.

You know, all these comedies have the same issue.

Would you have gone with something else?

Mine is a little outside the box.

My problem with this movie, how and why is Phil Hartman not in this movie?

Why was there not a place for him with Carvey's love for him and his working with him in so many other movies?

I have it two different parts.

He could have been Glenn, which was the Ed O'Neill role, but Ed O'Neill was great in that.

And you have him as Officer Koharski, and he's talking about body cavity searches, and it's really funny.

Well, and also he had him and so I married an axe murderer.

So it's not like he did, and he also stole that movie for five minutes.

I even thought he could have played the guy who owned the record company at the end.

Oh, the record company.

Mr.

Big, Frank.

No, Myers and he very close.

If you want an unusual watch, Myers shows up at an award show after the horrible, horrible death of Hartman and his wife and gives a very unusual address on the stage.

But the takeaway from it was that he was really close to him and his family and they loved working together.

I don't know why Phil Hartman is not in Wayne's World.

You know, they filmed it right before that SNL season started.

And that part of it was they had 37 days to make the movie and then they had to get right to the first week SNL.

And I wonder maybe if Hartman just had like the month off or something.

It's a great point, though.

Yeah.

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All right, what's age the worst?

I gotta say it, an extended Laverne and Shirley parody.

for anyone under 35.

It's just flying right over your head.

There's no way you're getting one moment of that.

I can't even believe Laverne and Shirley was the number one show.

It got to number one.

It was the number one show in like 1980.

It was the biggest show on TV, 1979, 1980, somewhere in there.

And now nobody would even know what that meant.

Well, think about that, though.

You said 1980.

They're shooting this in 91.

That show was already really, really old.

It's like looking at right now doing a movie that's, I don't know, like a lost parody or something like that or maybe modern family which was bigger it'd be modern family i think is is a good comparison but no one is like hold on mike like i know you love laverne and shirley but you're asking for like a really extended produced bit of a show that ended 11 years ago and he's like yeah i want it yeah worked for me yeah

what's eight's and worse wayne's world 2 what's your relationship with this movie okay I think Wayne's World 2 has some really funny shit in it.

Like there's the kung fu scene is amazing and the guy, the DJ, is amazing it has a massive fatal flaw which myers decided to commit the entire movie to oliver stone's the doors and is the through line of the movie which is a ridiculous choice where jim morrison is showing up it's not val kilmer either yeah it's like the it's it's a very strange choice at the time

It was strange when it happened.

And I saw The Doors twice in the theater.

I love The Doors, but I was like, wow, really?

We're doing this?

And I think it's really hurt the movie because it's this really elaborate doors parody it's got a graduate uh homage at one point and uh i think it's dated way way way way worse than wayne's world one way's world two it's like wow what is this number the the it's the village people which you know i know it's iconic but that's also really old

no kid right now ever maybe your son or something my son tries to turn on ways world

It's hard enough to keep up with it.

What the fuck is with this guy out in the desert with the leather pants and the sunglasses?

Like the doors was not that big of a movie.

It's not like a Terminator Oman.

It's weird.

And he married the whole movie to the Doors.

It felt like they had to start filming and they needed an idea.

And he had about 20 minutes to bet.

He was like, What if,

how about this?

And they just kind of let him go.

What's age to worse?

Dana Carvey develops severe pain in his jaw because he had to do Garth Underbait for like 35 days and had to like have ice on his face at night because he was always like doing what upward thing.

And I don't know, it's a gamer that Dana Carvey.

That sounds like something that Christian Bale would go through or something.

That's a committed actor.

Dana Carvey.

Wow.

I mean heart.

Learning English from the Police Academy movies

definitely has age the worst.

Would we ever do one, Bill?

And when I say we, anybody, would there ever be a Police Academy as rewatchable?

Could you do it?

I think we could do the first one.

Police Academy one, not assigned to Miami Beach.

Here would be how it went.

You would just have to to text me and say can we do police academy i'd be like okay fine twist my arm the movie was like the number four movie of 1985 or whatever bill i got principles and i have priorities i'm trying to put in some time to get comfortable with gym kata so i got to put that in front of police academy dude i got work to do

and then my last one stage the worst is stone stoned uh honking guy who from bohemian rhapsody phil yeah who they pull in, don't honk in the car.

I don't know if we needed him again after that scene.

I might have told him you didn't need to come back.

Yeah, that's it.

I think we were one and done with him.

Maybe work in another character at that point.

Can we, talking about what's aged the worst, can we talk about not?

Let's have a conversation about not.

Well, so I had the bits that aged the worst.

I have not, I have swing, and the we're not worthy are the three that felt really stale to me all these years later.

Yeah.

Swing was boners and we're not worthy.

You bow down in front of people.

Not was a, again, I keep saying it was the cultural phenomenon.

It was everywhere.

My wife is like six or seven years younger than me.

I said, do you remember what not was?

She said, I had a hat that said knot on it with an exclamation point, like a baseball cap that I used to wear.

And it was, you would just, you would say like to your friend, like, oh man, I really like those shoes.

Those look good on you.

And he'd say, thanks.

You'd go, not.

And it was just like a sick burn.

And everyone did it.

Yeah, it was a top five catchphrase from the show over the last 50 years that seeped into real culture.

Everybody said it.

People People would also missay it and mangle it and do it incorrectly.

And you knew it was getting bad when it was on like Sports Center.

Oh, yeah.

Like a Sports Center anchor would try to do a knot and it would just go badly.

Like, all right, I guess we're done with this.

And Glenn Rice is money from the corner, not British.

You know, like he would do something like, you know, the full circle that it made is Borat.

They do a bit with Borat where he goes to learn American comedy.

It's the official end of not.

Yeah.

Remember that?

And there's this like really nerdy comedy instructor who tries to teach him not jokes jokes and Borat just keeps messing it up and fucking with him.

But it was being used as an example of the lamest possible American comedy.

I'd like to stick my penis in you, dad.

Yes.

We're doing Borat this year.

That's 100% happening.

Do you have any other what stage the worst?

No, we covered the sequel and the doors.

I'm good on that.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge Overacting Award, which I think in this case is an underacting award for Frankie Sharp Sharp of Sharp Records.

I can only assume like Christopher Walken was supposed to have that part and called in sick day of, and they just like grab somebody.

That guy is the worst actor in this movie by far.

I have no idea why he's in the movie.

No idea, none.

They went to the Halloween store and got the costume in a bag for agent with a cigar and a pinky ring and a pinstripe suit.

Hi, I'm Jackie Sharp.

And I must say, while you're very beautiful, it's tough.

I don't know.

It's really bad.

He's so bad.

I can't believe that's who they picked for that part.

All right.

You have another flex category.

What do you got?

All right.

The category of the actor I can't believe did not become a bigger star.

Let's talk about Dana Carvey.

All right.

Dana Carvey brought me into SNL when I was in about sixth grade.

He was the star.

He ran the show.

It's all his biggest sketches.

And I look back on it and I feel like The absolute ceiling for Dana Carvey with his talent and his audience reception was like a Steve Martin.

And I would have thought the basement would have been Tim Allen or maybe even like Kevin James, like who had big success in a lot of avenues.

And it didn't work out for a couple of different reasons.

Why do you think he didn't become a bigger commercial star?

It seemed like, you know, he did the Dana Carvey show in the mid-90s.

96.

Versus not trying to really jump on the movie thing.

I think he stayed in SNL one year too long.

He had to do two Wayne's World movies coming out of the gate.

The second one wasn't as well received, but he just missed like his, he never had his like Ace Ventura.

Like if Jim Carrey doesn't have Ace Ventura, does Jim Carrey happen in the same way?

I don't know.

Like he certainly was talented enough for it to happen, but you still need like, you still need the one movie.

Like Will Farrell was a rocksbury, night at the Roxbury.

Didn't do well.

No.

He was in a couple other things, didn't do well.

But then old school happened.

And then it was like, okay, I'm ready for Will Farrell to be a movie star.

And Dana just never had his thing.

There might be part of it where he was like a better character actor than as a leading man who's going to get the girl in the end.

Maybe there's something about him that it didn't totally work.

But he was so good and so smart and

such a hilarious guy.

I don't understand where his Ace Ventura was at least.

And I had this conversation this morning with Srager at work and he was like,

you know, someone like Steve Martin was a genuinely really good actor when he needed to.

He could cry.

He could do the drama.

He's like, I can't take Dana Carvey seriously.

But then I said, like, 90% of the stuff that Farrell does is ridiculous, farce, comedy.

It's just for some reason, he never landed.

And then what happened is he makes a few misses movies.

The Dana Carvey show, which was like incredibly pedigreed, doesn't work out because of the time slot and all that shit.

And then he finally gets his act together and he's going to make his Austin Powers and his Austin Powers is Master of Disguise, which was one of those movies that was not only bad, but became known for being bad, like G Lee or something like that.

And people

I remember like Kevin and being in LA would just play a different clip every single morning, just make fun of it.

And then Dana Carvey, and like that was pretty much it for that type of stuff.

Yeah, and he became a big family guy.

And I don't think he has a lot of regrets either.

I think he did fine and just threw himself into the family thing and

took himself out of the Hollywood check whenever he wants.

Like I think he could do stand-up and all that.

And I love him and I root for him.

I'm bringing this up because I would have liked to see him be able to do more stuff.

I think the mistake he made, now that we're talking about it, he was such a good musician.

Like his, the thing that got him hired on SNL was the chopping broccoli sketch.

And you watch him in the first couple seasons.

Like he was,

he was like the rarest of SNL talents because he could.

basically do any form of a sketch.

He could sing, he could perform, but you know, he was like a very old school 70s performer.

Maybe that's what, maybe that Derek Stevens character could have been the movie, like him.

I don't know.

I'm with you, though.

Sometimes the hartman thing never really made sense to me either i mean it's it felt like he could have carried been the number one guy on an awesome comedy on like nbc or abc instead he was like a side character yeah he was news radio side right but not like that tim allen home improvement character i know what you mean

I love Carvey.

I'm glad his podcast is so successful now.

But yeah, it's weird.

I think you just need like that one,

that one part.

Sandler kind of grabbed the bull by the horns and like he made Happy Gilmore and like he really like

tried to make his own shit.

Billy Madison, then Happy Gilmore.

He tried to make his own shit and control his own destiny.

Maybe Dana.

And of course, the take is that, you know, maybe Myers, when you're playing Austin Powers, maybe you let Carvey be Dr.

Evil and he does that thing, and then he's on that rocket with you.

But Myers is probably like, no, I've already worked with Dana and I'm done.

I'm doing this both by myself.

But yeah, just it was gone.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

Hottest take take a word.

Wayne's World, the first YouTube video ever.

Interesting.

Go on.

Everything they're doing in Wayne's World, and they called it cable access back then, just kind of became YouTube.

And I'm wondering, is YouTube just cable access?

Like, are we just thinking about it wrong?

Everything that worked on cable access on local channels and they just like strip it down.

All you need is one cameraman.

He could be drunk.

It's fine.

Some bad lighting.

It's okay.

You can do this in your basement.

And this just is now

a lot of content all over the place.

Really successful.

Well, I had a question for you.

I had this in Unanswerable: is that what is the real equivalent of Wayne's World?

Like as it's happened in front of us, something that has been plucked from cable access and made into mainstream?

Like, is it, is, is it, is it Haktua?

Like, what, what, what is it?

I don't even know.

Haktua, I think it's already over for her.

I think it's, it's a route.

I'm worried about Haktua.

Live fast and lift a good looking corpse.

Is it?

I don't know.

To me, it's like one of these weird video podcasts, like almost like one of these player podcasts, like Jeff Keeg's podcast.

Yes.

Just becoming like a podcast that people watch.

And it's, you know, it's basically the 30 plus years later of this.

It's like, I'm going to hang out with my friends.

We might have a guest every once in a while.

I think there's a lot of YouTube shows that I think have propelled people to fame.

What's funny is Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennett, who went on to be on SNL, were almost doing their own version of Wayne's World in San Diego on YouTube in like the 2000s.

And they would have this like awkward humor television show where they would go around and do local San Diego things and then that got them famous and took them to SNL.

I'm sure it was Wayne's World inspired.

That's cool.

Well,

15 years later, this is just a YouTube show.

The cable access thing is gone.

Right.

2008 just is what it is.

Do you have a hottest take or keep going?

My hottest take is I'm going to just go right from the hip on this one.

I think Wayne's World is the most quotable movie of all time.

That's my hot take on it.

And I'll put it in context.

If you want to.

Over like airplane?

Yeah.

I think at the very least, it's in the Elite Eight, and it's with things like Lebowski, Anchorman, Airplane.

I can't find a scene in this movie, any scene.

where there's not at least a line that people have said that you would know or that you incorporate into everyday life.

I think it's like something like Jerry Maguire was another 90s luminary.

They have like two or three things that broke through.

Show me the money.

Yeah.

You complete me.

Wayne's World has like 15 things.

We've been mentioning him now for an hour.

All the, excuse me, baking powder, like the countdown from five, four, three.

You don't say two or one.

Those are all things that infiltrate.

When you first started doing TV, did you think about Wayne's World the first time they did that?

I thought about it every single time.

We'll say Wayne's World 5, 4.

It's iconic in that sense.

The gun rack, the lawyer stuff where he's like, ooh, yes.

I'm not so sure about yes.

Like, that is bits that people still do to this day.

And Wayne's World has like 20 of them.

So there's a lot of quotable movies.

I think it's the most quotable movie of all time from start to finish.

21st Century, probably Anchorman.

Yeah, Anchorman is just has the most material to work with, I think, scene by scene, just things where people would understand what you're doing.

I think Anchorman, I think every Christmas season, Christmas Vacation, there's tons of them.

Lebowski and Anchorman are one of those movies that people quote that don't even realize they're quoting the movie.

Like when you say a rug ties the room together, like that's Lebowski, and some people don't even know it.

But they're all up there.

Those are the greats.

Casting What Ifs don't really have anything other than Michaels wanting to do Guns N' Roses and getting over

and then Cooper's manager

doing

Feed My Frankenstein when Myers wanted him to do I'm 18 or Schools Out.

He said, no, no, we got this new song.

I kind of wish he had done Schools Out, but I don't mind Feed by Frankenstein.

It's so weird.

Best That Guy Award.

There's some really good ones.

There's a winner.

I'm so excited.

What do you got?

There's a winner, but I just wanted to give a shout out to Brian Doyle Murray, who's Brian Doyle Murray, but he's also that guy.

Sure.

Kurt Fuller, who's Rob Lowe's sidekick, who was the bad guy in No Holds Bard.

He basically played the Pittsburgh Man character, and he's just a hall of fame, that guy.

I actually know his name, so I don't know if he counts as that guy.

Here's the thing.

People ask me all the time, like, oh, how do you choose what movies you're going to do?

I know at some point, sometimes it happens like this.

I'm going to get a text from Bill, and it's just going to say, the text is going to say, it's time.

And there's going to be a picture of the No Holds Bard poster.

And I'm going to be so fucking ready because I know him from No Holds Bard as well.

Yeah.

The manager.

He's Russell here, but Kurt Fuller, I know his name as well.

Rip him.

So there's a legitimate that guy.

He's the guy with the round face and the mustache.

At the counter.

Then was at Curb Your Enthusiasm as the Amco guy.

Yes.

And had that great episode with Larry and Amco.

I don't even know what that guy's name is.

Normally, it was Mike Haggerty.

I got him.

Mike Haggerty.

Okay.

But the obvious winner is Beecher from Oz

as

one of Wayne's entourage, the guy who kept saying, I love you, man.

And eventually, six, seven years later, he was on Oz saying, I love you, man, to the guy that they handed up as Schillinger and ended up in some of the most psychotic scenes in the history of HBO.

And it's so funny to see Beecher in this movie.

I think his name's Glenn Turgeson.

I can't remember his name, but he's, I just see him.

It's Beecher.

He's also Rosie, the muscle for Bode and Point Break, who will gut you like a pig and try to get shoes.

Good call.

Bill, this is a turgid that guy category because I also want to shout out Officer Koharski, who's Frederick Coffin, who's our guy, O'Malley, and hard to kill.

But the piece they resemble.

Oh, that's a great one.

O'Malley.

Yeah.

This is an even better one.

All right.

So, you know, the guy who is like, your name is pronounced Algar, right?

Party on Way.

He is the guy in Boogie Nights when Buck tries to get the loan.

And he's like, sir, you're a pornographer.

Oh, my God.

God, you're right.

Oh, he wins.

That's even better than Beecher.

Don Amendolia, that's the guy from Boogie Nights with Buck and the Bank.

I am an actor.

That's him.

Wow.

That's even better than Beecher.

It's good.

I didn't even catch that one.

Great one.

Great job.

Deion Waiter's Award.

I'll give you a final four of Ed O'Neill, the Waynes World announcer.

Yes.

Alice Cooper or Chris Farley, unless you want to throw anyone else in there.

Or Officer Karharski.

We'll throw him in, too.

O'Neill is really good.

His first line in the movie is he looks at Cameron and just goes, I never did a crazy thing in my life before that night.

And then he just, I think it's O'Neill.

That's a great.

Final four of Final Three.

But O'Neill, who was also in the sketch, the Waynes World sketch, as a driver's ed teacher from the guy's high school right i'm gonna give it to him over over even farley and cooper and they're both great yeah it's tough that cooper doesn't win this but i think it is o'er he's great in this recasting couch director city so can we have some fun with noah's arcades noah arcade his wife who oh college it's like yeah um could we

could we we're going a little meadow with this movie in general could that have been heather Thomas?

I'm just going to spitball with you.

Could that have been Jacqueline Smith?

Could that have been Suzanne Summers?

Uh-huh.

Like, could we have taken somebody from, could that have been Aaron Gray?

Could we have taken somebody that we were all in love with in the late 70s, early 80s, and just shoved them there?

It's like, oh my God, her.

I'm thinking sitcom mom, like Judith Light.

You know, like, sure.

That would really work.

I know Suzanne Summers is the best one.

I know Myers, because in Soy Married and Axe Murder, there's a Thigh Master bit.

And so he would have been a fan of her summers would have been really good or or like a victoria principal i just feel like you grab somebody from that early 80s apex throw them in there i'm having more fun so my flex did this movie have a porn parody

turns out it did

it was called zane's world

And you can watch all of the

actual plot with no sex on YouTube.

It's got 14 minutes of all the sex cut out, but the actual thing,

and you're going to think you're going to want to watch 30 seconds of it, but I'm telling you, you're going to keep going.

It is, so to speak.

It's Biff Malibu plays Zane and Tom Byron,

the great veteran, he's Garth with a wig on.

They're doing the

Madison and Trixie Tyler in it.

Oh, great.

But this is one of the funnier YouTube clips that you think you're only going to watch for 10 seconds and you can't stop watching.

They have the van.

They do the whole thing.

And yet Wayne is Zane and sex ensues, not comedy.

Well, I got to think that it's just sitting right there.

The swing, right?

And they must say swing all the time, right?

Because that means.

I don't want to step on the clip because I really think you're going to enjoy it.

Who plays Russell?

Peter North?

I need to know the full cast.

I don't want to spoil it.

It's on YouTube.

I actually did not know that this was a whole YouTube genre, which was people taking 80s and 90s porn movies and cutting out all the sex and just having the plot as like a 14-minute YouTube clip.

That's the thing.

I support it.

I think it's a great idea.

Kudos to whoever came up with that.

And are they just like, they're having sex and it's party time?

Excellent.

We don't see the sex.

Like, somebody starts unbuttoning a button and it's just to the next scene.

I'll be honest, Bill, can I get the one with the sex?

I'd like to check that one out.

The original Zayn's World on DVD.

Yeah, the director's cut.

Half-assed internet research.

We talked about no stairway to heaven.

We talked about Myers being a dick.

Spheres had some quotes about him, the director.

Emotionally needy and got more difficult as the shoot went along.

That was one.

You should have heard him bitching when I was trying to do that Bohemian Rhapsody scene.

I can't move my neck like that.

Why do we have to do this so many times?

No one's going to laugh at this.

She said on one occasion he stormed off the set because there was no margarine for his bagel.

Got to do it.

And in one of the features about Myers, his PR person said that uh there was no truth that he was hyperglycemic and kind of poo-pooed the story and then uh they argued about the final cut and myers did not let her do wayne's world 2

so there's that so the pacer aka the mirth mobile yeah was a 1976 pacer

The original car was sold and appeared in a 2015 episode of Pawn Stars.

It was restored to running condition with the original movie props in the car, a stair system added, sold in 2016 for $37,400.

That's low.

Bill, where do you have this in your all-time pacers?

Is it more Reggie Miller or like Austin Crozier?

We're going to cover that during Apex Mountain.

Got it.

So

when Wayne speaks Cantonese to Tia,

he's just, it sounds like he's learned it, but he's just saying gibberish and she was like trying not to laugh because he was completely unintelligible.

Is that actually because he goes, ni fa bindu wa.

Like that's just nonsense, right?

No, complete nonsense.

Okay.

The scene when they're talking on the hood of the car with the Bugs Bunny dress was the last scene filmed.

Wow.

I like knowing that.

Fender made a special run of Wayne's World Signature Stratocaster guitars

right after this movie.

And then Stan Makita's Donuts was a fictional donut shop.

The scenes were shot at Tim Horton's, which is a real

donut shop.

But I always thought for years that Stan Makita's was a real place.

I was a little, I was honestly disappointed.

Yeah, I'd never heard of it.

I felt let down.

Apex Mountain, Myers.

No, it's Austin Powers.

Yep.

Carvey, you can make the case.

He's still on SNL at this point.

This movie's big, and you're buying all kinds of Dana Carvey stock in 1992.

Dana Carvey was so big at this point that he did a set with U2 as Garth, where he was on stage with them at the VMAs drumming.

And U2 was probably the biggest band.

It was like October Baby era.

Yeah.

Like he was, he was global at that point.

So it's Dana Carvey's Apex, the first movie, yes.

Lord Michaels is an interesting one.

Because at that point, you could say it's somewhere in the 70s when the show peaked in 78, 79.

But

I actually think it's probably in the early 90s when he resuscitated the show and built it back up into a franchise.

And now he's dipping into movies.

And it really felt like he was becoming a mogul in a completely different way.

So I'm going to say yes.

It's not only his first hugely successful movie, it's really his last one, too.

Right.

So it's like it felt like there was 20 more coming.

Yeah.

From a talent standpoint, they're just cherry-picking all of the funniest people.

Like he's, he's throwing 99 miles an hour.

I'm going to say yes.

Aurora, Illinois, not a real place.

Real place.

Okay.

Real place.

Apex Mountain then.

Yeah, definitely.

When you think when you, when you're like, I'm from Chicago, you meet someone from Aurora, you're like, all right, party time.

Excellent.

Yeah.

They must love that.

They love it.

They're really big fans.

It's like, I saw the McCordy's

on Friday night.

Yeah.

We're taping this after the Super Bowl.

And

Sal went up to them and was like,

are you guys twins?

Like,

it's such a joke.

It's such a, he did the parody of the parent.

Like, it's almost like it's like three steps beyond the joke that they always hear, which they actually thought it was pretty funny.

Yes, they're great guys.

I'm going to say yes for Tia.

Bigger, so she's a very important

movie.

It's a massively successful James Cameron movie.

She's doing the Samba with Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, not playing.

I think it's True Lives.

True Lives was big, and she had a tough because Craig makes the key part.

She's disposable in that movie.

It could have been 10 different people in this movie.

She's not disposable, but I think you're right because that was one of the four biggest movies.

Yeah, it's probably true lies.

Big deal in that movie.

Stan Makita, probably not.

There's probably something that happened in the 60s with them.

Great Poupon commercial parodies.

I'm going to say yes.

They were ubiquitous.

You could not turn on the TV without seeing some party in a Rolls-Royce asking for mustard.

It was just the thing they did.

I promise.

All right.

Work with me on this one.

Yeah.

Prostate exam jokes where the guy puts on the glove and somebody's about to be violated.

It's still Fletch, right?

It's not this.

River.

Yeah.

Yes.

It's got to be Fletch.

Okay.

Definitely.

Delaware?

100%.

Great.

Instrumental in the American Revolution, one of the oldest states.

But I think of them in front of the blue screen.

I'm sorry, guys.

Maybe Joe Flacco, though.

He was Super Bowl MVP and he went to Delaware.

Atlanta Deladon?

Big star.

Big star.

They did have our last president.

Probably not.

He's probably not Apex Mountain.

Joe Biden, nine times senator, and he was the president of the United States.

I'm not giving it away.

I don't think it's Wayne.

I think it's Joe Flacco winning Super Bowl MVP.

I think you're right.

I like it.

Shitty Beatles, definitely Apex Mountain.

Alice Cooper, no.

Rob Lowe, no.

I don't know what his Apex Mountain was.

I think it was.

It was a really fun career.

For me, it's About Last Night.

It's the St.

Elmo's fire into About Last Night.

It might be the Apex for me too.

For me personally, it might be my Apex Mountain.

Do you know, Bill, when I was in summer 2000, I interned at an agency and the agent I worked under was Rob Lowe's agent.

I used to get to listen to his phone calls.

Rob Lowe would call in, and you know what he was calling about?

He was begging his agent that he wanted to be in the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie because he loved Planet of the Apes.

And he was begging.

He'll say, I'll do any part.

And the response was, You can't be in it because you have blue eyes and they're only casting actors with brown eyes.

Oh, man.

You're not allowed to be in it.

And my agent was like, That's the only time in your life it's going to work against you, those blue eyes.

Not crazy.

He wanted in, though.

Rob Lowe, one of the greatest.

Yes.

Great podcast guest, too.

I bet.

Cruz or Hanks?

This feels Hanks to me.

I think I have Cruz as Benjamin in like kind of a pre-Jerry Maguire sort of agent role.

Wow, interesting.

I think if you're going to cast as one of the big two, I think it's Hanks as Wayne.

I think so, too.

Yeah.

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Probably Spielberg.

This doesn't feel like a Scorsese movie.

I think for Scorsese that Cassandra would have to turn into like Ginger from Crasino, you know, like try to just be some sort of crazy off the hook.

Also, I, Bill, I had one apex for you.

I want to bounce off you.

Yeah.

Rock bands and movies, like fake rock bands, like Crucial Taunt.

We both agree they can wave.

Let me give you some.

Like, I have some.

All right.

So you have Spinal Tap.

You have

Wild Stallions from Bill and Ted.

Wouldn't really get to see them play.

The School of Rock Kids, Steel Dragon with Mark Wahlberg, The Pinheads with Marty McFly, and then our guys, Stillwater from Almost Famous.

And I've thrown Citizen Dick from singles.

Yes.

Although, I don't know if we actually saw them play.

I think they just pretended to be a band.

We saw Soundgarden play.

They're a real band.

Yeah.

Citizen Dick, though.

It's pretty cool.

I think it's Stillwater.

Stillwater was...

I mean, they played, what, three songs in front of a crowd of like 20,000 people, and the songs were all actually good.

I think I downloaded a couple on my Spotify or whatever.

Fever Dog.

And Jason Lee really does the singing like Cassandra does.

I think I have Stillwater as well in that movie.

I thought what they pulled off with that band where Jason Lee, like his skinny beard, kind of his weird body posture was so 70s, and then frought up like the guitar.

Yeah, I'm going to go with that.

Good character, good idea, though.

Jennifer, Jennifer Roulette, Aniston Coolidge, Connolly, Garner, Lawrence, Lopez, or Ortega in the Tia spot.

Who do you got?

I got Lopez.

And I have Lopez.

This is, she is early, early 90s.

She's doing, she's doing the in living color.

She's a dancer.

Selena's going to hit a few years.

You can take her from any part of her career, though.

You can, you could totally have money train Lopez for this.

No, I'm not going to even go money train.

I'm going to go Pre-Selena, very young, Jennifer Lopez.

I have a feeling with who you're going to go with.

I'm going to, I'm going to write it down, but I think it's J-Lope in the role of Cassandra.

I also had Lopez.

Oh, I thought you were going to say Connolly for sure.

No, I had Lopez because otherwise, as you said, this becomes the whitest movie anyone's ever made.

So we really

needed Lopez.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

You could talk me into Glenn the Manager.

You could also talk me into one of Wayne's entourage people.

As the Rob Lowe, I don't think it works, but maybe Rob Lowe's sidekick.

I don't know.

What do you have?

I got Philip Seymour Hoffman as Garth.

I think he's going all in.

Okay.

I think all in, one of the co-leads.

And he's just like, Wayne, Wayne, can I kiss you on the mouth?

Wayne, you look at me sometimes.

Do you like the Murphy Mobiles?

Because if you don't, I'm going to tell you.

I got him.

He's wearing an undersized t-shirt.

Yes.

I think it's Scotty J as Garth.

That's my call.

All right.

We have a flex category from Craig.

What do you got, Craig?

What do you got, Craig?

All right.

In the spirit of this movie, I'm going to go with something kind of stupid and silly that Wayne and Garth would respect and it's uh the big kahuna burger award for best use of food or drink i love garth in the background of a scene drinking a jelly donut out of a straw

that's good i thought that was very innovative i've never seen that before i thought it was a great sound effect i would have loved that when i was 14 and i loved it now that's a great call great call craig thank you craig picky dick

So this is probably my biggest one.

Okay.

There's that scene with Rob Lowe and Garth when Garth's just working on a severed hand for some reason.

What the fuck is happening in that scene?

Yeah.

Is there any explanation for it?

It's not funny.

I don't, what's going on?

I think that they're trying to character develop Garth a little bit.

They have this running thing where Garth is a mad scientist, right?

The electric thing, this thing, and at the end, he reprograms the satellites.

I think they have that in there.

It's a really weird scene.

And it starts with, Rob Lowe's great.

He goes, you know, Garth, you and I have never really talked.

And you're like, oh, shit, what's going on here?

And you're just nervous the whole time.

It's the strangest scene in the movie.

You're all over it.

Wouldn't Wayne and Cassandra have met before?

Is my next nitpick?

She's playing in Aurora.

Pretty small pond.

I feel like Crucial Taunt has probably played that club before.

There's not like a million clubs in the extended Aurora area.

Yeah, doesn't Wayne go there every week?

Like, always?

That's a good one.

Never ran into her her once that's why this category is here that's a great one i have one more but give me yours and then i have one big one this one didn't strike me until this viewing as an older man these are some heavy metal guys right they're in their early 20s and they're going out with their friends they're going in the car they're blasting rock music they're going to go see a band and they go and get coffee and donuts on a friday night what the fuck is that they don't go to a bar they don't get beers they don't do shots it doesn't make any sense that your pre-party to go out to see a rock concert would be to go have donuts at a donut shop with your friends as someone who's 20.

It's ridiculous.

I don't get it at all.

Well, that feeds into mine.

I just feel like all of these guys would have been smoking a ton of pot.

Yes.

I just don't think there's any scenario where Garth isn't stoned 24 hours a day.

And I always thought when I watched the SNL sketch before they made the movie, kind of the under-the-radar assumption was these guys were huge stoners, but they couldn't get stoned on NBC.

So when they made the movie, it was just, oh, clearly Garth's going to have this five-foot bong and they're going to do it.

But no, nothing.

I guess it's much more charming that it's inferred, that they don't show it, that like there's not a bong scene or there's enough stoner movies.

This is not what they're going for.

But they don't even, even when he's at the bar and he meets Cassandra, Wayne doesn't have a drink.

Cassandra orders a club soda.

I'm like, I found myself wondering, are they trying to go for some sort of PG rating or something?

But it's PG-13.

They can have booze in it.

That's not really there.

This is a weird Myers thing, though.

He was very averse to like like sex, drugs, anything.

That's why when he was in the Studio 54 movie, it was so crazy to see him as the owner just being like, I want to suck your cock.

Which is one of the craziest lines of the 90s.

I don't have any more nitpicks unless you do.

They just, you would never fire the host of a show after one segment in the middle of a live show.

It doesn't make any sense at all.

They didn't rehearse it once.

They had no idea what they were doing.

And in the middle of the, in the commercial break, they fire the host and he walks out.

It's, That's nonsense.

That wouldn't even happen on the NFL network.

They would finish the show.

We'll test that tomorrow, maybe.

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all blackcaster, untouchable.

They obviously did a sequel.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Burning Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays?

I'll throw in Gus Johnson, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm.

What do you have?

I think that Wayne and his crew are so rock and roll and so motley that they need someone who zags.

And I think Daniel Plainview should be part of their crew.

He's on the crew.

And it's him and HW, and they do craft services and they just put out steak and whiskey and goat's milk.

And at one point, Garth goes to him and says, Mr.

Plainview, when you're with a girl who just makes you want to hurl every time you see her, what do you do?

And he says, I say hurl.

If you blow chunks and she comes back, she's yours.

But if you spew and she bolts, it was ever meant to be.

That's Plainview as part of the crew.

I tell you.

Plainview is really winning 2025.

I know.

I heard SCR did it on the left.

Yeah, everybody wants to test drive Plainview.

I've abandoned Crucial Taunt.

I've abandoned my girl.

I love him.

He's the man.

Just one Oscar, who gets it?

Would you go Carvey for best supporting?

What would you do?

The writers.

It's just so dense.

Every line is awesome.

Myers and the two writers.

Probably unanswerable questions.

Was Garth playing with a full deck?

Good question.

Was he on the, like, would you say he was on medication?

How would he be treated in 2024?

Would he be diagnosed with specific things?

What was going on there?

Was he in a special class in high school?

Like,

did he graduate?

Was he like a rain man type of like savant?

What, what's going on with Garth?

Every time he gets a little nervous, Wayne goes, Garth, your pills, your pills.

You know, he even says, take your riddle in.

Like it's not subtle.

So they were a little ahead of the curve on that one.

I think he's got all kinds of stuff like that.

But I also think that he is, if you sat him down to take some sort of calculus test that he would ace it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

And then we, you mentioned this earlier and it's got to be discussed.

How old were these guys?

Because I think, so I'll give you a range.

Okay.

You could tell me they're 19 and the actors are just playing they're going Iron Zering and just playing like 35 year olds as as 21 year olds you could also tell me they're out of college you could also tell me they're like 27 to 30 but Garth also seems like he's like 38 yeah I don't know the range what do you think Well, it's interesting because in the sketch, they're in high school.

That's established.

They bring in one of their high school teachers.

But then in the movie, they're definitely not in high school.

They're not in college.

Wayne says, talks about his career as hair nets and name tags.

I think that they're they can drink and they can get in clubs.

I think they're 23 or 24, just kind of adults with like bad jobs, and but no school whatsoever.

No, yeah, because they can get into clubs, but it's interesting they're not drinking, which almost makes me wonder if they're like 19 or 20.

But that makes sense, so they're probably supposed to be 23, 24, or we're not supposed to know the answer, and maybe the answer doesn't exist, right?

Any other unanswerables for you?

No, we answered all mine.

I'm good now.

What piece of memorability would you want from, would you want or not want

from this movie?

The white guitar would be the obvious.

Excalibur.

Game-used hat or a movie-used hat.

The car would be my number one choice, even though cars aren't allowed in this category, but what do you got?

I want the suck cut.

I want that machine.

It sucks and it cuts.

I want that thing.

And I have to take my kids for haircuts all the time.

And that barber like either always messes it up or I don't describe it properly.

And my wife gets mad when I bring home the kid with a bad haircut.

So, I'll just do it with the suck cut, and we'll save all the money like that.

All right, suck cut, coach Finn Stock award: best life lesson: don't sell out, best double feature choice.

I could offer you Wayne's World 2 and just make it easy, or we could zag a little bit and go into that kind of cone heads.

We could do a different SNL sketch movie, we could do Opportunity Knox.

What do you got?

I'm dragging that gargantuan cranium around.

Oh, yo, you're doing axe murder.

Nah, give me axe murder.

Okay, good god normal myers 94.

who won the movie

i think i mean the the the the funny answer is is queen and they recharted and even though they're from a song 15 years earlier but i i mean it's i think this is just myers he's awesome in it i love him in it he had sequels he had many more movies to come and it sounds like he won a lot of the wars about what he wanted in the movie too

i think it's myers short term okay

I wonder if it's Carvey long term, because this turned out to be like the funniest he's been in a movie, and he's the funniest person in the movie and the person I enjoy the most.

So it's almost like first 10 years, Myers,

but then over the years, you could make a better case for Queen or Carvey.

I think the Queen case is sitting there, too.

That's interesting you say that.

I was because I was going to ask you, are you Team Garth or Team Wayne?

You got to pick one.

I'm Team Garth.

I think Garth is like the height of comedy for me.

He's great.

It always made me.

And it was right there in the era, that Beavis and Butthead era, too, where it's just like fuck-ups who were kind of funny, but knew their fuck-ups just became this cottage industry.

Yeah, Garth was really good at that.

All right, it's time.

I'm nervous.

Producer Craig's Take.

Come on, Craig.

Wayne's World, had you seen it?

So I'm a huge SNL fan, as you can see by my hat.

Nice.

I have seen the Wayne's World sketches plenty of times.

I had never seen the movie.

So I think that shows that I probably more likely than not would like it.

This movie is super ambitious.

I'm pretty sure I didn't get 70% of the jokes in this movie.

And yet, everyone in it is so likable.

I thought Mike Myers is incredible, so charming.

And the style of humor, it's funny, man.

The style of humor is like, it's basically a foreign film now to young people.

Like those high-level bits, the practical jokes that are secretly intellectual, the cultural references.

I had a fantastic time.

This movie was hilarious and it worked worked and it shouldn't have, but it completely did.

And I actually think there's a world in which now I think movies want to stay away from cultural references because they want it to last forever.

Yeah.

But I almost think it makes them worse.

And this movie is so stuck in the early 90s.

It's so dated that I think it almost comes back around and like works again.

I'm so glad you think that, Craig.

Me too.

I'm really happy.

I'm almost like, well, I'm welling up.

What was your favorite part?

My favorite jokes in the sketches and in this movie is the is the over-the-top intellectual moments that don't make any sense with the alex alice cooperative thing yeah there's a great one in on snl with uh aerosmith where they're talking about like communism yeah and it's just that that is exactly my type of humor i think it's hilarious those are my favorite the twilight zone like yeah when they go like super rare yeah yeah are we in late stage communism do you think it's going to come back and like the drummer from aerosmith has a very nuanced response right they don't they don't really make like the snl movies is there like a sketch or a bit that you love that you would have loved to see into a movie that they haven't or could i don't know i mean most of them don't work it's hard to turn a sketch into a film i grew up with like

uh stefan and the californians were probably the two biggest ones that you could have tried to make into a movie it'd be curious it'd be interesting to ask lauren bill when you interviewed lauren did you ask about snl movies that never were that almost were i don't think we got there the most i mean the the all-time what if for this is the sprockets movie which they you know became this huge, contentious legal battle because they paid Myers all this money to make it and he basically backed out of it.

And the script was supposed to be funny, and then he decided he didn't like it.

And I always thought the Sprockets movie, the ceiling of that was really high for me because I thought that was some of the most inventive stuff they were doing on that show.

There's also just nobody doing character work anymore that gets turned into a movie.

The only person who's trying to revive it is Tim Robinson.

who was briefly on SNL, but he's the only guy doing that weird character stuff.

And he has a movie coming out with Paul Rubb that looks really funny.

Well, so Maggruber, Magruber counts, and Maggruber didn't do well, but now I think has aged really well.

I never even saw that movie.

Yeah,

I think it's okay now.

It was not okay for about four or five years.

Other than that.

That's the last one they made, too.

They haven't made one since.

There's some weird ones over the years that I think could have worked.

Like, I think the Sweeney Sisters could have actually been a movie.

I don't think they would have made it.

I don't think it would have made money, but

they were these singing lounge acts at act sixters that uh i just felt like that could have potentially worked you could have taken like any wolf arrow thing and probably flipped it into something

they did it they did stewart saves his family with al franken and they did they did a pat movie they did a ladiesman movie i didn't forgot they did ladiesman the meadows yeah they were doing a lot they learned though some of these things were meant to be five six minutes max and that's it agreed i have two more thoughts one will make you mad the others is agnostic i'll start with the easy one first it's funny that the life lesson of this movie is to never sell out i think that's completely opposite now i think the goal as a content creator as an artist for young people is to sell out the goal is like how can i make art that's so good that i can sell coca-cola in an ad on tick tock and instagram it's just funny how it's completely the other way around where you've you've made it once you can sell out that's the goal people are impressed when you sell out you people want to sell out but they also really resent super rich people it's it's like that's what you do it's like a complete seesaw the other way.

It's like, what can I do?

I will spawn con anything you give me if you pay me.

Yeah.

And then the thing that's going to make you upset is, and I've kind of always felt this way, but I think it's worse in the movie.

I don't think Garth is that funny.

Okay.

Why?

It's okay.

I think

I knew this might be coming.

I think Myers is unbelievable.

And I think in short spurts, Garth works a lot better in the sketches.

In the movie, and I think it's a little bit of why Carvey, I don't know.

The roles he takes, first, Garth is just a little too, I mean, he's like borderline not all there he's just too developmentally challenged uh-huh he needs to be 20 more more competent i just having trouble breathing the bits can you call 9-11 it's just a little bit i don't know

but craig they leave him to do the show and he says i'm having a good time not and that's that's that's that kills what are you talking about i i it didn't it never bothered me as much in the sketches but in the movie i i think it it hurts a little more so go then so go so go so go then that's what i'm saying to you, Frag.

Why are we having you here?

Did you watch Blues Brothers or no?

Yeah.

You weren't on the pod last week because you were in New Orleans.

No.

I mean, I like Wayne's World more than Blues Brothers.

Blues Brothers is weird.

It's like super bloated and a lot of the scenes are like really quiet and awkward.

It's one of those movies where.

I actually think it's funnier to talk about afterwards than to watch.

Like in the moment, I was kind of like, okay.

But then listening to you guys talk about it, I was like, oh, actually, situationally, it's hysterical but it didn't it doesn't really hit you with laugh out loud moments for me for the first time i think that's fair you know it's it's a movie that really belongs to that decade that was absolutely completely beloved and i could get why that didn't and i i gotta say i'm really surprised waynesworld lived lived up to 33 years of still being funny charming movie

Yeah, all the cultural references and stuff,

even if they don't last the test of time, the movie still really works.

When you're watching, when they launched into a fucking Lavern and Shirley almost.

I didn't even know.

I didn't even know that's what is this song and what is this bottle with the glove on it?

Like, are you totally in the dark, right?

Yes.

I was like, they're doing some sitcom parody.

I don't know.

Right.

Okay.

You liked it, though, Connie.

Yeah, yeah.

I respected it.

It's great.

It's great.

Craig and I played craps on Friday night in New Orleans.

It was great.

Had a great time.

Yeah.

Craig was throwing the dice lefty from the right side.

He was doing a little Scott Mitchell action.

Yeah.

It was borderline like uh submarine pitching almost yeah it was good i just like you guys went to a casino in a super bowl city not not you didn't go to the gym

the best casino in america it's right in the middle of everything there's no better casino no i was at shibuzi

i'm addicted to craps now so that's a problem okay

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And you can catch me on the Rewatchables on the Ringer podcast network.

When are you going to watch Jim Cotta, you think?

Honestly, dude, I'm flirting with Jim Cotta right now.

There's according period going through it, and I'm about to have a couple weeks off.

I might sneak in Jim Cotta.

All right.

There's a couple others, too, that we that are on the list, too.

All right.

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