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This is Before Sunset.

We did Before Sunrise last week.

And now, the sequel, the classic, Before Sunset.

Nine years ago, two strangers met by chance and spent a night in Vienna that ended before sunrise.

They're about to meet for the first time since.

Hi.

Hello.

Man, I can't believe you're here.

Well, I live here in Paris.

I wanted to talk to you for so long, you know, but now...

Me too.

How long do we have?

20 minutes and 30 seconds?

Let's go.

We got more than that.

Now they have one afternoon to find out if they belong together.

I remember that night better than I do entire years.

Do I look any different?

What if you had a second chance with the one that got away?

Before sunset.

All right, everybody.

First four-person pod we've done in a while in studio.

Really exciting.

Maller, you heard the Before Sunrise pod.

Oh, yeah.

I booted it up.

You want to do all your notes now?

I thought it was a fantastic pod about a beautiful movie, and I have been meaning to reach out to Sean to discuss with him how much of his commentary about Jesse was clearly about himself.

What do you mean?

Oh.

I did not think that.

You thought that?

A lot of like, boy, this is just

a really cool, smart, interesting person who's tall and thin with brown hair.

And only when you get to know him do you realize how deeply insecure he is and desperate for your love.

Well, I don't know what you mean at all.

I just think it's really great writing, really a great performance.

I don't, I just, I admire the craft of acting that Ethan Hawk brings to that character.

So Before Sunrise, 1995, but it was really set in 1994.

Before Sunset.

Comes out in 2004.

It's set nine years later.

I'll start here.

The six great questions of life.

How did we get here?

What happens after you die?

Who killed JFK?

Why does fantasy log rewatchables movies on a letterbox and spoil what movie is coming just to impress a couple of dweebs?

That's number four.

Really tough start to the pod for you.

I believe it was Chris Ryan who spoiled Before Sunrise, not me.

Number five.

He said we were doing it.

I'm not done with my six questions.

Number five, did Stern suspend MJ?

And then the sixth great question of life, what if you had a second chance with the one who got away?

Would you say that those are in order of importance?

Can we start with JFK?

We already did that five.

But this movie taps into that theme.

There's been other ones.

This did it the best.

And it's one of the many great reasons why this is an all-time classic.

Mal, go ahead.

Oh my God.

Just from the jump, what do I think of this movie?

No, the second chance with the one who got away.

Well, it's something that people think about forever.

That's one of the reasons that Before Sunset and the entire Before trilogy is, I think, so indelible and so important to so many people.

It's like simultaneously an experience that you probably feel you've never really gotten to have, right?

Will I ever feel that way about somebody ever?

What would it be like to feel that specific spark?

And then that's just like the most deeply human and relatable thing,

second guessing your decisions.

Did you do the right thing?

Do you wish you could have done something differently?

Should Lamar

have lofted that past to Andrews a little bit higher.

It's always great to be with you.

And

you were going to watch the podcast.

Unbelievable.

Literally said you were going away.

The wound is still so raw.

See our second chances?

Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty, it's a pretty profound movie in that way where you are having this very unique experience with this film because of the time elapse, the time lapse between the first two, right?

And you're once

attached to Jesse and Celine as characters, attached to Ethan Hawk and Julie Delpie as people, and then also attached to who you are both in 94 and in 2004, 95 and 2004.

And so there's like this triple layer of things happening that all culminates with, I think, maybe one of the greatest acts of wish fulfillment in the history of movies at the end of this film.

Sean?

I think that when I watched this movie, it became clear to me that I'm nine years behind the characters and that they're making the movie every nine years.

And so this movie felt a little bit more predictive about the future, which is also true for the film that comes after this, in ways that are like really impactful on your life.

Because when you're a teenager, you don't really have to worry too much about what's coming in your early 20s.

But when you're in your early 20s, your early 30s are kind of a scary time.

And Celine literally has a nightmare about this feeling.

And so just being able to capture that specific feeling would have been enough to make it a really indelible movie.

But on top of that,

it's so deeply romantic and so intoxicating and so convincing.

Like I really feel like I'm watching something unfold just like I was when I was watching Sunrise, where I'm like, these are not characters.

This is not a movie.

This is something that I am, I got lucky enough to observe.

And

it is an all-time movie for me, this one especially.

And

it works just as well on me right now as it did the first time I saw it.

I saw it

in 2004, summer, at the, what's the place, the Lamalay, whatever it is.

Lamley, yeah.

Lamley in Crescent Heights and Sunset.

We had lived in LA for, I think, 18 months.

My wife didn't really like it in 03 and then eventually was starting to like it.

And by summer, 04

liked it.

And I was at a completely different place in my life than the first time I saw it where I was dating somebody, but I had no idea where my life was going.

I was living in Boston.

Nine years passed.

Now we're out here thinking about maybe we had a dog, thinking about maybe having a kid.

And it was just a great experience.

Was so excited that this movie was coming out.

So I was like, man, it would be cool if they made a sequel to that.

And I was like, hey, you hear they made,

they're working.

And then it was like, no, they're making it.

And it's like, oh, I hope they don't fuck it up oh yeah and then a couple people i knew saw it and they were like it's great i'm like really it's great it's like and then you go and it's like oh my god like i i remember leaving the theater being like i don't know what to do let's go get coffee yeah it was one of those and it still is 21 years later like i i still it still fires me up especially the last 50 minutes i think i think it's one of the great movies of that decade Oh, absolutely.

It's also just like the three of the movies, each in their unique way,

you walk out and you're just like i need i need to talk about this movie for a really long time i need to talk about how you know how my life is like that and how my life is different and you know you're usually watching these with a with a partner you know and you're like it's a little it can be a little bit tender at times and it can be a little bit tough but it's like the third one yeah should we should we all bring our spouses to the four minute pod what do you think i don't know if there's going to be a third

i think people are going to be expecting the trilogy pod and i don't think it's happening i'm there when you need me.

We might be saving that for some sort of theme month.

We're

going to pull my intestines out of my body through my rectum month.

Yeah.

I mean, I am at the age that those characters were at in that movie.

And so I'm kind of eager to revisit it because I haven't seen it in a really long time.

But it's the exact opposite feeling that this movie gives you.

Also, this movie is like so much less ambitious structurally, even than the first one.

Right.

They have like really no side characters at all.

No set pieces.

No palm conversation.

No one conversation over there.

It's like a one-act play.

Yeah.

And so you really feel like you're inside of their heads and they're giving you their inner monologues to each other.

Right.

Which is, I mean, there are very, very few movies that are able to accomplish this.

Like, no, people don't usually try it because it's not usually cinematic.

Well, the other thing, so they're also playing off the first movie,

which was so ambitious and works.

And then they're like, well, how do we top that?

And they basically just run it through.

It's almost like the goodfellas nightclub the cope walk into the copa cabana scene and they're just trying to do that as the movie yeah but watching how how nervous they are around each other yeah and how the barriers start coming down and by the time they get into the limo

now it's just like fuck it i'm just gonna incredible i have no more secrets i'm just gonna tell you what i think now and by the time we get to the apartment you just watch these i've never had an experience like that with a movie well it's like the sensation that you were describing of the anxiety you brought to the encounter of seeing the film.

Like there's a very meta quality to that.

You know, you watch before sunrise and it is for us as viewers what they are for each other.

It's this like magical moment in time.

And then you think about it and you long for it and you wonder if anything else can ever really live up to it or match it.

And then of course you would be nervous.

in the first moments of like that return.

I mean, structurally, the way that the entire movie is just basically when you remove the opening and end credits It's a it's a 75 minute conversation that takes place over a handful of locations and It's all three of the movies are very talky, but this one is particularly talky and that feels so perfect because like they're all really true to life But that aspect just feels like if you spent nine years thinking about whether you would see this person again and then you did I love when they start debating the state of the world and it's like guys you don't have time for this you need to figure out if you're supposed to be together but of course that's what you would do

both because you're sort of trying to like delay and evade the where the fuck were you that Jesse finally builds up the courage to say out loud.

Well, he says it like in a couple of different ways.

Yeah, they're inching toward the thing they've been waiting to say to each other for nine years.

And that just feels

very true to what the experience would be.

Can I just read something that Link later said that's basically exactly what Mal was just talking about?

He was talking to Filmmaker magazine when this came out and he said, to me, the tone is different.

The visual style is even more minimal.

And in the first one, there is a much greater time span and they were actively seeking out Vienna.

They had all that possibility and a lot of time to kill.

That was night, too, very romantic and full of mystery and possibility.

This one was just the opposite.

This one's daytime.

They've both got earthly obligations.

We're in a town that she lives in.

We're in a town that he's basically working in.

He's got real-life appointments.

He's got to leave for the airport in 80 minutes.

So the tone is very real world.

And because it's sort of a document of real time, I wanted it to be a quote, eloquent documentary.

And I thought that was such a beautiful summary of what he accomplished in that.

That is how it plays, but with incredible woners moving through Paris, which is really hard to pull off, but also seems effortless when you're watching it.

There's three different themes going on, I think.

And one is that what happens if you have a second chance with somebody?

The second one is, how do people change over the course of a decade from their 20s to their 30s, which I think they nail with this?

And then the third one, which I think she does a really good job talking about, is like, she's talking about all these relationships she's had and how each one took something out of her, right?

So when you're idealistic, when you're 23, and then nine years later, and she'd been in some things, and these people that she was with took little things from her that she can't get back.

And what do they do with them?

And even that whole road she went down, I was like, so I was like, I don't, this is never in a movie.

Yeah.

What happens?

Like you, you have these little pieces of yourself that you give to people.

I mean, everyone who's ever dated a bunch of people thinks about that.

Sure.

It's like these, they're not gifts, whatever.

These things that somebody else is just storing, you're never going to get them back.

She's talking about them in this point in her life less as gifts than as like robberies.

Yeah.

Right.

Right.

She feels like she's violated about something that she has given another person and then no longer has.

Obviously, specifically with Jesse, like one of the really heart-wrenching moments of the movie is when she says, basically, I had this like life-altering night with you.

And then you took everything with you and I didn't have it anymore.

Right.

Right.

And

the way that she speaks in general, I mean, obviously you guys, I thought did a beautiful job in the first pod of talking about how they are this idea of like,

are you a romantic or are you a cynic?

Really, they're both both.

And part of what makes the trilogy this great

treatise on love and like evolution inside of a relationship is they move across the movies, but they move inside of the movies as well.

And so when she's talking about how she would prefer to be alone, because like that's actually better than being lonely with somebody you've chosen to share your life with.

That's what's happening to Jesse.

Yeah.

And right.

So of course he understands that keenly, but he's also like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

You just said you can love and you want to be loved.

She's like, right.

And that's actually why I'm pissed because you made me remember that I used to feel that way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like the beauty and the devastation of that are inextricable from each other.

But is it dead inside or is it dormant?

And that's the other thing.

And obviously it's just dormant because it comes back to to life.

Can we talk about Julie Dolpe, though?

Because

we were, we were three guys who all had a crush on her talking about her in the first pod, but we didn't have the female perspective on that character in the first movie.

Now, the second one, you notice.

So let's hear it.

I don't know what you mean.

I felt like I adequately represented the female perspective in my discussion of her.

So let's hear the female perspective on Julie Dolpe.

Did Carol Shakir get mentioned more than Julie Delphi on the Mattor Southern Rise?

Now we talked about her a lot, but we did.

But your take on that i mean she's an all-timer she is an absolute all-timer like i just a a queen and an icon everything that she does in all three of the films is perfect i know i'm not really supposed to talk about the third movie but i i think i'll find that really challenging

we're trying to confine it to this

Don't we have to save it for pull my intestines through my rectum months and only talk about this?

It's not about return of the king.

It'll be human centipede, saw five before midnight.

I mean, she's the best.

And like part of the reason that they are so well matched is because they are like both utterly distinct, but also share this unique blend of like humor and charm and doubt and yearning, like the yearning that they're both, it's just emanating off of them in waves and ripples.

It's like almost unbearable.

I was so glad that you two both picked The Listening Booth as the most rewatchable scene because that is like genuinely maybe my favorite movie scene ever.

Wow.

Like period.

And the way that they're looking at each other and looking away from each other and how you can feel this like crackling desire.

When you port ahead nine years to this movie and they're in the car together and you have the evolution of that.

He's looking away and he turns to touch to try to touch her hair, but then can't.

And then he's looking out the window talking and she reaches for the, to cup the back of his head, but then can't.

It's like they are both able to convey something that is like so specific to their characters but feels like just a part of their harmony together it's perfect um the reason that we have to do before midnight though is not only because hot take that's the best movie in the trilogy but oh my god

luke wilson hell yeah

because i mean they're all that category they're all perfect They're all perfect.

My favorite one genuinely is the one I happen to be watching at that moment, but I think I admire that one the most.

And we need to do the pod so that we can talk about the moment when they go into the little Byzantine church and she is like, Sorry, am I not supposed to talk about blowjobs in a church?

And he's like, Yeah, you probably shouldn't.

And then she does this.

Got to do the movie just for that.

I the thing that seemed more clear to me as I watched the movies again is that

it's very purposely like a seesaw experience for how they see the world.

That in the first film, Celine is much more openly romantic and idealistic, and that he is relying on his cynicism as a shield, but also you can tell that he believes some things.

You mentioned how he talks about his parents in the first film, and that that is a defining mode for him.

And then in this film, to your point about what's been taken from me by these men who are no longer with me, or that line that she has about, you know, I'm the girl that guys date before they get married.

And there's like a wounded quality to her in this movie.

And then in the third film, she's extremely severe and blunt and hurt.

And in the third film, you can feel him trying to hold on to the hope of the future.

And in this movie, they feel like the seesaw is even.

They both know that they need change, that there's still the possibility for something, that they probably need each other in a very specific way.

And

I don't know if that equilibrium is part of what makes it.

so exciting for me, but

it's a perfect middle point for this story and kind of relates to maybe why they didn't do a fourth one.

Well, the big picture is the first one is about the idealism of everything.

Yeah.

And this one is kind of like when

you've had some experiences, good and bad, is it actually better?

Because you appreciate a little bit more.

Kind of like how Mao didn't win the Super Bowl for 10 years and now she'll appreciate it more

the next time.

And you've got Joe Flacco's name.

There's been some losses, some pieces taken from you.

But

it is interesting.

Like what's

better?

Terrible.

I would argue that it's still being in that first before sunrise phase of like the world is wide open.

I don't really know.

I haven't really been hurt yet.

I still believe in all these things as a better place to be, but this is also a really interesting place to.

Yeah.

You know, I was thinking about the line in the

first one in Sunrise where Jesse is talking about how he still feels like he's the 13 year old boy.

Yeah.

And she feels like I feel like I have the soul of an old woman.

Yep.

And how much they change

in between the first and the second one, the way you guys are talking about where she becomes obviously so much more cynical.

And then something about what happened to him in Vienna makes him so much more of a dreamer and idealistic.

But the thing that's so amazing about these movies is the way that they experience like this transference from those nights together and those days together.

And so that they obviously change one another, another so much.

This is my second favorite movie sequel ever.

I actually went through everything to make sure that was true.

Porkies 2?

Godfather 2 is the first thing.

Dennis Thieves, Pantera.

Yeah, okay.

I can't put anything over Godfather 2.

Fair.

But it's on that short list.

I had Terminator 2, Aliens, Maverick,

Dark Knight, which I think counts as a sequel.

I'm talking about official sequels, not like the fourth movie and a thing.

We were following up this movie with this one, which I think goes wrong most of the time.

And it's either we didn't get,

you know, one person that we thought from the previous movie we couldn't get them, or it's just like, we're just, this is a money grab.

This is like a true sequel in every respect, which it's weird.

It just, I, why is it so hard to pull off?

It's well, I think part of what we talked about with Sunrise that is so powerful is that the, the stars are the co-collaborators, the co-conspirators of the story.

And this movie more than any, which I'm sure we'll get into, it just feels like they have suffused so much of the story with their personal lives.

So it's, this doesn't feel like a Lord of the Rings movie where you're like, oh, there's all this mythology to acknowledge and this world building.

And how are we going to do it?

Or, hey, we've got this precious IP that we need to make another movie for.

It's just artists trying to find a new way to communicate about how they feel about the world.

For whatever reason, Richard Linklater is the only filmmaker who thinks this way.

Because this isn't even the first time that they are reunited since Sunrise because they had that vignette in Waking Life.

So he sees all of his characters and his stories on this continuum in a way that very few filmmakers do.

Tarantino has a whiff of it, but he's never really filmed it.

He does.

And people pointed out to me what I was trying to think of, which is who's the character who ports over in a film, you know, and it's Ray Nicolette, who's in Out of Sight, and he's also in Jackie Brown.

But that's just a very uncommon thing, and it's very hard to pull that off.

And

I don't, you know, it would be interesting to watch more filmmakers and actors try to pull this off of like more small-scale movies.

It's closer to like Michael Apted's end-up up series than it is The Godfather.

I mean, the trip movies with Coogan and Bryden are kind of like this, but they were TV series in Europe.

Yeah, usually it goes the way of another 48 hours.

Yeah, we've all packed some pounds.

Oh man, yeah, Eddie put on some weight.

Yeah, you got you out of channels.

I ain't got a smoking racist anymore.

Where are we?

Why did this happen?

Um,

can we talk about the Oscar piece of this?

Sure, yeah.

We have to take a break.

Let's take a break and then we'll do the Oscar piece of this.

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All right, so I try not to do this with every movie we do, but I found the 2005 Oscars for the 2004 season confusing when it happened

because this movie was critically adored.

And I think

I just don't really understand it.

Not that we can make sense of the Oscars ever, but for best Picture, it ended up being Million Dollar Baby One.

The Aviator Finding Neverland, Ray and Sideways

were the other ones.

Best Director, he

didn't get that.

Criminal.

Best Actor and Best Actress, not nominated.

That actually doesn't make sense.

So best actor, Jamie Foxx wins for Ray.

Don Cheeto, Hotel Rwanda.

Johnny Depp finding Neverland, Leo and the Aviator, and Quinn East win a Million Dollar Baby.

I'm positive Ethan Hawk was one of the best five performances.

Best actress, Hilary Swank,

Annette Benning, Being Julia, Catalina Sandino Moreno, Maria Fulgrace, Imelda Staunton, Vera Drake, and Kate Winslet in Eternal Sunshine.

I feel like maybe they could have snuck in there.

If there were 10 nominees like there are now, this obviously would have gotten in.

It's also more along the lines of the kind of movie that would get in nowadays.

This is in the Halcyon days of big studio.

These are all studio movies that are nominated for best picture: Million Dollar Baby, The Aviator, Finding Neverland, Ray, Sideways, all from major studios.

Um, they all have very powerful campaigns behind them, and this was a much, much smaller movie by comparison.

I just don't know how many actors could have been in those parts, and especially what Julie Delpie has to do in this movie, yeah, which I think is, I think she has the harder part in this movie because she's all over the place, and you have to pull it off without

seeming like you're nuts.

CR, which Julie Delpie, which Celine were you more attracted to Before Sunrise Celine or before Sunset Celeste?

I think it's Celine.

Because I think it says a lot about...

It's Sunset.

It says a lot about us.

Because I was more attracted to Sunset Celine.

I think that says a lot about me.

What does it say?

That it was just more interesting.

She was crazier.

It's like she lit that cigarette.

I was like,

this movie did get nominated for an Oscar for best adapted screenplay.

And it's adapted because it's a sequel and all sequels need to go into the adapted category.

I forgot about that rule.

I read about it when we were researching this.

I guess I had known it, but I think it would have been very tough to win in either of these categories because it's the Year of Eternal Sunshine, which is like a masterpiece of screenplay.

And Sideways, which was a phenomenon, and people really love that.

We talked about it.

It caused a spike in.

By the way, this was a kick-ass movie year.

Yeah.

There's a lot of good stuff from this year.

Like even from the comedy side, like Anchor Man was this year.

There's a bunch of

bunch of horror movies like i was surprised going through it because in the moment we were like movies suck now what's wrong with movies now like i would take half of 2004 i i would be hard pressed to think of a movie that came out this year that i like more than the one we're talking about today this is probably this probably if i was doing that list back then in 25 or 24 like in 2004 yeah yeah

2.7 million dollar budget made 15 million Our guy Raj,

he let us down in the previous

three-star Raj.

He said that understands these boring Gen X people.

3.5 stars for this one.

He said it was a remarkable celebration of the fascination of good dialogue.

But before sunset is better.

That's what he said before sunrise.

Before sunset is better because the characters are older and wiser.

They have more to lose or win.

And perhaps because Hawk and Delpy wrote the dialogue themselves, the film has the materials for a lifetime project.

Like the 7-Up series.

Exactly.

This is a conversation that could be returned to every 10 years or so as Celine and Jesse grow older.

And yet.

Raj was ready for Before Midnight.

He gets it.

Well, so far, they don't have to stick to the nine-year thing forever, right?

That was nice.

If you're putting Before Midnight 1, is Sunset 2?

So my answer honestly is like a little complicated, which is genuinely whichever one I'm watching in real time is my favorite because they're all perfect.

So like whichever one you're with, you're like, oh, of course this is the best one.

Yeah.

Right.

I think people probably fire.

Sunset up the most, right?

I think sunset's the best.

Yeah.

the case for sunrise in addition to everything you guys talked about is just it's the only one that exists in a vacuum so that's like a special thing right where they didn't know like anything about what was yeah good point yeah yeah sunrise gets the degree of difficulty because they're starting from scratch yeah yeah it's a premise that probably shouldn't have worked yeah we're not going to get producer craig's feelings on the trilogy yet Did you watch the whole trilogy?

No.

I just want your feelings on this.

I won't be watching before midnight.

80 minutes.

80 minutes for the second one.

Did you like, did you pass out?

Were you delirious?

Yeah, it was shorter than like most TV finales.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, definitely.

Could you like believe it that it was 80 minutes?

You rarely see sub 90 these days.

If you see an eight in front of the runtime, it's I know it's astonishing.

It's so short.

I almost had that for What's Age the Worst.

Like I kind of wanted like six more minutes.

We got like 86.

As soon as they get in the back of the car, I'm like, oh my God, is this

over?

It's done.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it's almost like the,

and movies never do this anymore, but they want you leaving.

Wanting more.

wanting a little bit more yeah absolutely you're racing against the clock just like they are yeah as soon as they get in the limo it is kind of they get off the paris boat and it's like oh my god this movie's got like 18 minutes left yeah it's amazing what is the exact perfect age to see this movie cr i have

after you're married

so whatever age that is yeah

what do you think mal i i think i agree like part of the beauty of the trilogy to me is just that you can age with them and you bring a different perspective to them when you revisit them.

But

the case for this, for me, the case for this one is the best is like building off the line from Sunrise, like the answer must be in the attempt.

Like this is about the attempt.

Every movie, all three of them hinge on some sort of choice for them, but this is the one where they make the most active choice.

Jesse wrote this book hoping Celine would find him.

Celine went to the bookstore hoping that she would get to see him.

Like they, they really chose to try to rediscover each other.

Sierra went on off the pike hoping

on there.

I was like, I'd love to talk Celine, but I got to do press box.

Can I hear you on the 25th anniversary of Noma?

But like, you can only, I think, really understand

that perspective if you're a little bit older and have a

least early 30s and either married

with who you're supposed to be.

You need some fantasy.

What do you think, though?

You need a basketball reference page with some seasons in it.

Yeah.

Got to have a couple of nicknames.

It's so, I mean, you know, my personal history, Obviously, I'm married to the girl that I was dating in high school.

I saw this movie with her in a movie theater.

I vividly remembered it.

It was right after we graduated from college.

We both moved to New York together.

We saw it at the Angelica.

I had misremembered it when I was talking to her about it, but she remembered it cold.

She remembered the entire experience.

You know, there's that train that runs right next to the Angelica.

So if you sit in there, it shakes the seats.

Oh, I like that.

And it was such a memorable movie-going experience.

We both loved it.

We went out, we did the thing you talked about.

We went out and had coffee.

We talked about it for hours.

We'd already loved Sunrise together.

But

if you look at it in one way, it's a real cautionary tale movie if you see it in your 20s.

And I think I internalized that probably.

That sort of, because what Jesse says in this movie, which is something that a lot of people think that are married, is chilling.

I mean, there is a horror movie quality

to a lot of that confession that happens in the final 15 minutes.

Running a nursery.

Yes.

Running a nursery with someone I used to date.

And I mean, the writing is brilliant in this movie, but they both get to say things that people think and do not ever verbalize.

And so it kind of like

somebody hugged me.

I dissolved into molecules.

But

the movie is almost like a challenge if you're in a relationship too, where it's like, make sure this is what you want because you could turn out like these people who are 32 and are at the edge of their own sanity because of the choices that they made.

This is so interesting.

I feel like this is our version of the conversation in the bookshop about like, it's a test for you

whether you you thought they showed up six months later.

Like, are you the romantic, the cynic, or undecided?

Because, like, I definitely think that's true, but I also think you could view it the other way.

It's like, it can be affirming that you don't run out of runway.

Like, you can make your way back.

It's just that pregnant moment where it's like, I'm your Jesse, right?

Like, you're like,

like, there's, there's not a Jesse out there, right?

And you're like,

still thinking about it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I actually disagree with my friend, Sean.

I think this is an optimistic movie.

Well, it's I think I think it ultimately is like a lot of weird shit can happen and you could give up and think that the moment passed, but sometimes it doesn't and you still have a chance.

I think you're right ultimately in the movie is ultimately on the movie.

But I see what you're saying about like the

this really lays out the baggage that can happen.

Yeah.

With some bad choices.

You know, it's it's child of divorce.

You know, it probably like.

How can I not be thinking about Henry when I'm watching this movie?

If Wingleader were liar, here, he would probably say, you're both right.

Yeah.

Because there are multiple realities where Jesse, where Celine just gets the day wrong and doesn't go to the bookstore.

And Jesse's...

His life goes on, you know?

And that's the whole point.

So the flip side of that is if the grandmother doesn't die, she's in Vienna.

Well, the flip side of that is that if the German couple aren't arguing on the train, they never meet in the first place.

I mean, it's just like the whole thing.

That's what's great about this movie.

Yeah.

There's 40 different points that this could have gone bad.

It's true.

Most re-watchable scene.

Jesse in the bookstore.

Just going to start there.

I weirdly really like

the press conference of this random book because it's so absurd.

It would never happen in real life.

Yeah, please.

Please tell me what the book of basketball version of this was for you.

Please didn't exist.

Like be in Paris, like just doing like that, get the hands going.

Here's the thing about Kareem that a lot of people didn't realize.

Like this would just never happen.

But I like watching Ethan Hawk just be full Ethan Hawk.

Yeah, just doing Ethan Hawk stuff, doing the, it's like my grandfather said, to answer that, take the piss out of everything.

It's just slightly overacting, but I'm still.

Sounds like MJ or LeBron, Bill.

It's like grandma.

I like how into it that one reporter is too, where she's a little like

a little sweet on Jesse.

Sure.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, how could she not be?

But then watching her, the way they're using the flashbacks, I just think that scene is so well directed.

So good.

Cutting back and forth with the new one.

And then it's that part when they're memorizing each other's face from the first movie.

They're flashing back to that.

And then it cuts right to her now.

And it's like, oh my God,

it's also like

the same cinematic language of the end of the first one, which is the montage of the places they were.

Yeah.

And now it's like a montage of who they were.

And it's just like, ah, shit.

It's really great.

And his reaction to seeing her, everything about it, it's just great.

Well, also, like, the whole time he's talking to the reporters,

he's waving his hand.

Like, you see a wedding ring.

You don't know.

Yeah.

Is he married to her?

Like, we do not know.

I didn't even think think of that.

That's a good point.

And so there's that second when you see her and she could just be like the proud wife who's there watching her husband.

He reacts, though.

But the second you see his face and he's just like

melting.

There's a 1.5 second pause where you're like, he's

excited and destroyed at the same time.

And it's like.

This melding of heartache and euphoria because you realize that they have not been together, but also that they're there together again.

Yeah.

It's amazing.

Good bookstore, too.

Shakespeare and Company.

Incredible.

I basically just have the whole movie as we're watchable scenes, but we have the awkward walk.

Oh, no.

No, you were there, weren't you?

Oh, no.

Oh, that's terrible.

Oh, no, I'm laughing, but I don't mean it.

Did you hate me?

You misunderstated me.

Have you been hating me all this time?

You have.

No.

Yes, you have.

No.

Oh, but you can't hate me now, right?

I know.

I don't hate you.

All right.

Come on.

It's no big deal.

All right.

i flew all the way over there you blew the thing off and my life's been a big nosedive since then but i mean it's not a problem no you can't say that oh i can't believe it i you must have been so angry with me i'm so sorry i really wanted to be there more than anything in the world i swear i mean you called me angry night my grandmother i mean no i know i know i honestly thought that something like that might have happened i was definitely bothering Just that whole little mini roller card.

I also love him being like, the book is actually a composite of you and this other girl.

Gretchen!

Gretchen!

That's great stuff.

I also like when she says, Do you think I'm neurotic?

Oh my god, you must think I'm so.

And it's like, yeah, you're being neurotic right now.

At the cafe is really good.

Do I look any different, skinnier?

Oh my god, I love that part.

Okay, come on, tell me.

Skinnier, I think.

A little thinner.

Did you think I was fat before?

No.

Yeah, you thought I was a fatty.

No, you thought I was a fatty.

Yeah, you wrote a book about a fat French girl.

No, listen.

Seriously, alright, you look beautiful.

Do I look any different?

No.

Not at all.

Oh, actually, you have this slime.

I know.

It's like a scar.

A scar?

You thought I was a little fat French girl.

Wait.

But most importantly, the cigarettes come out, CR.

I mean, we'll talk about it in a minute.

Big moment for you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We get quotes like Desire is the to fuel life.

They're really cooking in the cafe.

So good.

Then we get to Celine pretends she doesn't remember having sex with them.

Yeah.

Um,

and lines like, I remember that night better than I remember entire years.

What do you think of Jesse's six months later lottery winners are the same no matter what their plight is, whether they're paraplegics or rich, they revert back to where they were.

Felt like when he died.

Felt like a bit.

Sometimes, yeah.

Sometimes like, you know, coming up later.

Yeah.

It's in the zone of, you know,

how are there so many souls?

Yeah.

Well, no, it just feels like another version of when he's like, you know, well, life's supposed to be hard.

We have to suffer.

How would we learn?

It's like, you just know that this is what he's been telling himself

since she didn't show up at the platforms.

You know?

Yeah.

It's amazing.

We've become such perverts in the last nine years.

Oh my God.

The boat ride.

I don't know how the boat ride doesn't win most rewatchable scenes, but it's not going to.

Is it possible to have a bad

on a boat going slowly down Paris scene i'm trying to think of any movie that could fuck this up

about the river being full of feces before the olympics you'd be like this is this is harshing our mellow but any other moment this end is just pretty much

pretty good i just don't know a single movie that could fuck that up it's like unfuckable up fuck upable it's also for as much as this movie is so realistic and feels so like actually a second-by-second document.

In my mind, when I close my eyes, if somebody is like, what's the the perfect day in Paris?

It's like the day they're having.

Oh, my God, yeah.

And even though I know it was like super hot while they were filming, it just looks like the platonic ideal of being.

You just got to throw in like a corner crepe or two.

Yeah.

And not quite enough eating.

Yeah.

It's just a great way

to experience the city, which is just to wander, to not be a tourist, but to just be somebody wandering into cafes, wandering in gardens, wandering onto a boat.

It's an amazing way to experience Paris.

How'd you feel about Jesse's Notre Dame story?

Prescient.

Do you think that was a real story, or was that another dipping into the routine?

I think it might have been something he heard at a bar at closing time.

That's a great one.

He would be an unreal podcaster, though.

Jesse, he's got so many takes, so many like podcast anecdotes.

Can I pod with him?

He should be the best CRA.

You guys are having a place for Jesse RA.

Jawing with Jesse,

featuring Z.

Great.

Put him on the Prestige TV pod.

He was breaking down severance.

Yeah.

Then we get near the end of the boat.

You want to know why I wrote that book.

So good.

Alright, now I know for sure.

You want to know why I wrote that stupid book?

Why?

So then you might come to a reading in Paris and I could walk up to you and ask, where the fuck were you?

No, you think I'd be here today?

I'm serious.

I think I wrote it in a way to try to find you.

Okay, that's...

I know that's not true, but that's sweet of you to say.

I think it was true.

What do you think the chances were of us ever meeting again?

After that December, I'd say almost zero.

But we're not real anyway, right?

We're just characters in that old lady's dream.

We also get the line, I guess when you're young, you just believe there will be many people with whom you'll connect with.

Later in life, you realize it only happens a few times.

Very painful to hear.

I thought about this a lot, even set aside the romantic aspect of it, because there's a whole other way to think about the movie of just finding people that you make that connection with.

And when you get older, you really, or at least I do, really protect myself against that.

You know, like, I don't really like over invest in long-term relationships now because I think I also don't want to get hurt in the same way, in addition to being lazy.

And so you're like way less open.

Yeah.

No, for, for sure.

When you're young, you're like,

it'd be great to get late tonight.

It'd be great to make a friend forever.

It'd be great just to have fun.

But as your life becomes smaller, these opportunities, like they're kind of at a pretty significant pivot point here.

Yeah.

Your early 30s is when that starts to go away.

You know, when you're like, I've got my people.

That's when your capacity in your nightclub starts getting cut down.

You go from like a 350 person capacity to like 70.

You wrote, you wrote about this, I feel like.

Yeah, when you hit your 40s, it turns, it's like a 25 person.

It's a social, it's like a speak easy only social.

Yeah, speakeasy.

We also get, I feel like I'm running a small nursery with someone I used to date.

Man.

And if someone would touch me, I would dissolve into molecules.

There's a lot of stuff going on.

Plus the 11th and Broadway thing.

Yeah.

Revelation.

Tough one.

That one

fucks me.

Like, that fucks me up.

Even on my way to my wedding.

Yeah.

And she's like, I thought I saw it.

It basically is, you might have seen me.

I forgot, like, when she said she lived there from 90.

Is this like when you saw Dana Wheeler Nicholson go into a deli in New York?

Dana.

Dana, I thought it was you.

Edie Falco asked me for a light outside a boat in Brooklyn in 2003.

Then we get to the limo freak out when we find out what actually happened, that she was fine until she read his fucking book.

Magical scene.

You know,

it's not even that.

I was fine until I read your fucking book.

It stirred shit up, you know.

It reminded me how genuinely romantic I was, how I had so much hope in things.

And now it's like...

I don't believe in anything that relates to love.

I don't feel things for people anymore.

In a way,

I put all my romanticism into that one night and I was never able to feel all this again.

Like, somehow this night took things away from me and I expressed them to you and you took them with you.

It made me feel cold, like if love wasn't for me.

I don't believe that.

I don't believe that.

I put all my romanticism into that one night and then you took it with you.

Yeah.

It's really, really playing all the hits for Mal.

That seems incredible.

Then he has the good joke, I'm happy to see you, even as you've, even if you become an angry, manic depressive activist.

A little comedy in there.

Oh, yeah.

Always.

Really, some great takes on an unhappy marriage.

Yeah.

Where you really, for the full depths, like, oh, man, this guy.

And when he says, uh, when he says the thing about

he, it's all worth it because he doesn't want to give up one minute with the kid or whatever that line is.

And it's like, yeah, there's a million people like that who are like, you know what?

I'll suffer the rest of this because I don't want to miss anything with this child that I created.

It's so sad because then he goes right into like, but there's no joy or laughter in my home.

Yeah.

It's like, I don't want to get to 52 and finally have to like admit that this was all a pretense and I don't love my spouse.

Yeah.

Very tough to hear.

Very big.

Then she's like, wait, I'll get sadder than this after she almost touches his head.

But then he says that he's had sex 10 times in four years.

So it's like he's doing great.

Yes.

Put that thing away.

Hey, Diamond.

Oh my god.

That's exhausting.

Yeah, how do you not have 10 kids?

The thing about this scene to me, which is my favorite scene in the movie by far, and I think is one of the most incredibly well-written scenes in the movie.

Like, how many did they go for?

It feels like eight or nine minutes.

Yeah, it's like

at least nine.

The thing I really...

that really hit for me this time when I was watching it is we actually do see a lot of scenes like this now in popular culture because everything is so

and people are all about finding ways to talk about your feelings, but it's done using the language of therapy.

This is a scene where people are really honestly talking about how they feel, their most vulnerable feelings in the world.

Like you can, what the, what they share together is very, very intimate, but it has none of the like casing of that language.

This is traumatic.

Exactly.

All of those like, I was triggered when you weren't there.

Yeah.

All those buzzwords, all that like, I'm signaling to you my pain.

It's none of that.

It's like super fucking real.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And if you think about where these two actors were at in their real lives, totally, you can feel them putting their lives into what they're saying.

Well, we should mention that.

He's getting divorced from Wooma Thurman.

What was going on with her?

I think that they were just raising young kids and that they were both working people and that they were falling out of love in a way.

But what was it going on with Delpy?

Oh, well, she's been married a couple of times now.

She has had many boyfriends over the years.

And I think because she was, she was such an ingenue in Europe and such a kind of like desired woman because she had such

fame in the movie culture that I think she always had a complicated relationship to the way that she was viewed versus how she viewed herself.

And so like, if you look at her career now, like she's directed eight movies.

She's written a lot of those movies.

Like she's a...

She's more than what she was presented as basically when she was a teenager and was like kind of a lust object.

Yeah.

And so I think she is bringing all of those feelings into what she wrote in that sequence, too.

So it's just, it's very painful and very impactful, but just feels very true.

Yeah.

The good news is she's not a lust object anymore.

And nobody was online last night looking for photos of her smoking to send a CR.

I didn't do that at all

in my Google history.

And he did not respond with her.

Ready?

That never happened.

She's not a lust object.

From the Google image search, Julie Delphi.

That never happened.

There's no evidence that any of those moments happen.

Was that on your air gap

iPad that you use for all Delphi materials?

That's the one where all my off-the-pike research happened there.

She also says, I think I might have given up on the whole idea of romantic love.

I might have put it to bed that day when you weren't there because she's like, how do I trump this guy burying his soul to me?

I'm going to just say I'm dead inside.

And that's where we land as we head to the last 15 minutes of the movie.

We get a walk.

We get the song.

Nina Simone.

and we get baby, you're gonna miss this plane.

Oh, yeah.

Baby,

you are gonna miss that plane.

I know.

Man, so it's either between the limo or the end of the movie for me.

I would go with the ending just because I think it's it's one of the best last 15 minutes of movie ever.

And the song is just,

especially the first time you see this movie, the song is like just one of the breathtaking when she sings to him.

When she sings the waltz song.

It's one of the great moments of this century in a movie.

You meant for me much more

than anyone I've met before.

One single night with you, Lil.

Jesse

is worth a thousand with anybody.

I have no bitterness, my sweet.

I'll never forget this one night thing,

even tomorrow.

Like, and she's so good at performing it, and it's incredible.

Just the lyrics and everything, the whole movie leads up to that moment, and then it like crushes it.

It's like a sports scene.

Yeah.

And

again, that's just something about it that feels so true.

If you have never written a love song for somebody you then thought about and yearned for for nine years, you can't relate to that part of it.

But the like, she's so embarrassed, right?

She's so embarrassed.

She's also so much more good at it.

But she's so, yeah, like it's a very natural continuation of the car scene because there's this like unburdening.

Yeah.

I'm not just singing this.

I'm finally singing this to the person it was about.

I would pick the car ride as the most rewatchable scene and the best scene, but the single best moment in the movie.

Other Other than, I guess, on the bench when she's like, what do you think of the word pussy?

And he's like, I love it.

Other than that,

is his face when she says his name.

Yeah.

It is unbelievable.

He like widens his eyes.

Yeah.

She makes a lot of great facial gestures while she's singing where she's like rolling her eyes at herself.

Yeah.

She's trying to remember, but then she remembers perfectly her like anxiety about saying the word Jesse that is communicated only on her face.

I mean, it's like a beautiful.

It's mesmerizing.

The last 20 minutes of the movie are just

the limo scene.

Like

her reaching out to him and not touching him.

I was like, this is like when Christian Leitner hit the shot to beat Kentucky and the crowd is going wild, but Thomas Hill is sobbing.

That's me.

I'm both in the crowd, freaking out, but also like walking around crying.

It's real.

Like to me, the way that they because you think about that, that's almost like, do they do coverage?

I think it's mostly an uninterrupted shot.

No, it's uninterrupted.

There's no cut.

I don't think it's a good thing.

Yeah, so just even for her to time it so that she goes for his head.

I don't even know if that was like improv or whatever.

Well, because she, like, about 10 seconds before she starts to do it, returns her.

So she's like.

I was like, that to me is harder than like the fucking liquid terminator.

Also, to act in a limo is just like bizarre.

They're moving around.

Yeah.

You got Philippe up there Who knows?

Disco driving.

I can't get out of my head for that since the moment I saw it.

You go by and you go by and you go by and you go by.

And the way that he delivers that story about the dream is

that's the last second he sees her, is her going by on the train.

It's a cop-out, but the answer is everything from the boat on.

But then if you go everything from the limo on, but if this movie's on, it's like, oh, they're in the limo.

I'm going to watch this.

And it's so achievable.

It's 78 minutes of movie that you can just get through.

I would pick the waltz as the single, the single most for me.

What's the most 2004 thing about this movie?

What do you have?

Celine's Freedom Fries joke.

Great.

Good one.

Really good.

And her globalism tapes.

That's a good one.

That's a very top book.

Version one.

I was going to say no Facebook and how easy, if it's two years later, they're hunting each other down.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The fact

and I have some questions about why they couldn't have.

hunted themselves down in 2004.

We had enough technology at that point.

We'd email, we'd Google.

Does he even know her last name?

No, but she knows his now because of the book.

Because of the book.

That's the thing.

Well, he also, didn't he say?

He must have known her last name.

They must have exchanged full names because how would she have stumbled upon the book?

You know what her last name was?

Smoke Show.

No, I don't know.

Can someone translate that for us into French?

What's age the best?

What do you got, Mallory?

For what's age the best?

I mean, everything, literally everything.

Obviously, the two leads and their just their chemistry and their involvement in imbuing their own experiences into the story.

I think for me, it's

time, like both the way that the movie is shot as a real time.

We've got this 80-minute block until you're supposed to catch your flight, but also just in general, like Link Later's interest in time, his fascination with time.

This trilogy,

Boyhood is one of my favorite movies.

I absolutely love that movie.

He's now attempting to do this with Merrily We Roll Along.

Like he's just obsessed with time and the way that they talk about time.

And I love like Jesse at the book event at the opening when he's quoting Thomas Wolfe and saying, you know, we're all the sum of the moments of our lives.

Like each movie being a day, a part of a day set nine years apart.

It could have been 10, but it's not.

Like, why is it nine instead of 10?

It's just these little touches.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just.

I love that part of it.

And then the way that the time travel is in every movie in some way, you know, like the, when Jesse's pitching his next book, talking about the pop song and porting across time with this like link in your life.

And obviously the time traveler is a character who he invokes in the first film and, you know, won't spoil the return of the time traveler in the third movie, but plays a very crucial role, the idea of time travel in the third movie.

So I just love the way they talk about time and the way that the movie engages with time and how it's made.

I think my other big age, the best is just the restraint.

Like.

They don't kiss in this movie.

Forget fucking.

The only time we see them kiss is in the flashback footage from Sunrise and the hug because of that when she says I want to try something and hugs him goodbye like

I just want to sob watching

but when she's doing her little Nina Simone dance it's like one of the sexiest scenes in movie history despite the fact that they're not they're 10 feet away exactly it's all about the longing yeah Do you have any?

A lot of the callbacks to Sunrise, like

walking through the cemetery,

she says, I think when she's like, do I look like the way you remember me?

He's like, I had a pretty clear picture of you because he took the mental picture of her before they leave.

Celine talking about having a 13-year-old's perspective.

That was Jesse's bit in the first movie.

And then another, what's aged the best was Celine almost calling Notre Dame burning down.

Because she's like,

Notre Dame will be gone one day.

And almost, almost was.

Very sad.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's a really good one.

It's a sad one, but it's a good one.

I had how they're talking about serious early 30s stuff as small talk.

Whereas when they were in their 20s, they wouldn't have done that.

They would have just been like, oh, Vienna.

And you do like that idealistic.

But it's a little bit of a crutch because they're afraid to talk about what they really want to talk about.

So it's like, it's work.

It's like, oh, state of the world.

These platitudes.

Like, you guys did such a great job.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It seems like a little bit fake, a little bit forced.

That's your early 30s.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is a really good one.

I'm surprised uh one of you didn't mention it though living in new york at the same time with somebody else and not realizing they were there yeah

yasi saw it big city thing this the other day

yeah yasi who we worked with we lived in new york at the same time we didn't know mal we were going to the same bars and the same shows across the street literally across a building apartment building across the street from ben limberg before i knew him yeah true

Even being alone, it's better than sitting next to your lover and feeling lonely.

Callback to Neil Macaulay.

I'm not lonely.

I'm alone.

Definitely.

What was going through everybody's mind at that time?

You were channeling Neil.

Can I just shout out one thing that's aged the best?

That's probably the hottest anyone's ever looked is when Delpy's on the boat on the sand, the wind blows her blouse up for a second.

Yeah, a little sideways.

She's got to get for the sideways.

Yeah.

And then that comes back and she's dancing.

Yeah.

The split in the back.

Bill Simmons, Celtics drafted James Young fist.

It's perfect because they're always talking about little body parts.

Like when he mentions the dream, he's like, I touched your ankle and your skin was so soft.

She's like, you've got this line right here, the scar,

the red in your beard.

It's these little pieces of each other.

I would suffer all the torture to be there for all the minutes of his life was the divorce quote.

That's just a good quote.

Wow.

Middle finger tricks.

I wonder if that will have a bearing on the third film in the trilogy.

Middle finger tricks.

Yeah.

Always been a sucker for those.

Yeah.

It's good.

And

I don't really like cats, but good performance by the cat.

I've got some fun.

You're not a cat guy.

I thought it was just more of a like, you didn't mind them, but that was just you have to.

I'm a dog guy.

I feel like you have to choose.

You don't have to choose.

There's enough room in your heart to love all animals.

I think also the primacy of bookstores

and of the international book tour.

Yeah.

These are not as common, these things.

I'm going to say they weren't common in 2004.

Yeah.

Got some questions.

Oh, okay.

Interesting.

Yeah.

So this book, not enough of a success.

I think this book has been a monster book.

We can talk about that.

That's like literally my.

This book is not about the NBA,

mind you.

This is a story that can be translated into the book.

Sets up the bestseller.

A minor bestseller.

Minor.

Minor.

So that means like New York Times extended list.

It's like number 22.

Just don't think he's getting a European book tour.

Yeah.

But what if it's like the only picking nit on the entire movie?

What if he's big in France?

Like, we do have American artists.

But there's a lot of transit.

There's more journalists there there than there are fans.

And he says it's 10 cities in 12 days.

What's the big newspaper in Paris?

Le Monde.

The Le Monde editor is like, hey, who do we have going down in the bookstore?

Jesse Wallace.

No, no, that's not enough.

He's number 24 on the extended best seller list.

I need one person who believes in cynicism.

One person.

Well, there's a fire downtown.

Do we want to let someone cover that?

No, no, we need to be at the bookstore.

Great Shot Gorda Award.

Most cinematic shot.

What do you got, Sierra?

There is a moment on the on the boat ride on the scene where he's...

Got his face.

He's facing the camera, but he's looking at her.

She's looking out off the boat and the sun is like illuminating her hair it's like a halo and you're just i i don't know how they did that how they caught it how that happened he said that they only shot at the same time of day every day yeah

which is crazy then when you consider it was only a 15-day shoot yeah like they had to dance every you get the impression this was a very difficult movie to make despite how modest it is i i actually like the very very ending for most cinematic shot that she's dancing and turning and it just the way it fades out is really yeah

yeah because you don't know if the movie's done yet, and then it's like, No, no, not only we're done, we're yeah, fade out.

One thing I, one scene that I love is when they're showing up to her apartment for the first time, and they're walking in, and the woman comes out of the doorway, and which is her real-life mother, and the camera turns.

And for one of the only times in the whole movie, the camera is not on one of them, and it's on the courtyard.

And you see that there's this meal, the sort of barbecue that's happening, and her real-life father is there cooking.

And it is a five-second snapshot of what it it would be like to live here.

And you just understand everything immediately.

And it's like incredible

storytelling.

Yeah.

But that's like,

he never, he never takes us away from them except for that one moment.

Yeah, that's interesting.

You're right.

It's a weird, but a cool choice that they make.

Kid Cutty Pursuit of Happiness to where Best Needle Drop has got to be the Nina Simone song because it's the only needle drop.

But inspired by your speculation in the last pod about 94 songs or 95 songs that they could have picked.

It is really funny to imagine Jesse putting drop it like it's hot with a snoop.

You heard this?

Neptune's produced this.

These guys are great.

They're doing amazing stuff with hip-hop production now.

It's a million.

Oh my God.

Then I really would have told it to Jesse.

Yeah, but don't you think then Celine's like, cool, get in your fucking lip mother.

Right.

Denny's Benny Honor word seen stealing location.

We don't always give this one out, but I really liked her apartment complex.

Just that whole building, everything was really neat.

It's great.

Well, he's like, when they're driving in, he's like, you live here?

He's like, so blown away by how beautiful it is.

We don't get to give this one out either that much.

The Mallory Rubin Award.

Did this movie need a better sex scene?

No, it's the rare, possibly only.

Maybe I've said once before, no.

I think no.

It's perfect.

The fact that you are experiencing the same like

I don't know if that category made it into the sand lot pod.

Yeah, Yeah, I don't think I saw that.

No, man.

Yeah, you have to be in the same place as viewers that they are.

You're just like consumed by your need.

And then you leave and you wonder.

We'll take a break and then CR is going to do his flex category.

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All right, CR Flex category.

What do you got for us?

The Sean Penn, I brought my own PAC Award for Excellence in On-Screen Smoking goes to Julie Delpie.

Hell yeah.

Oh.

At the La Pure Cafe.

I feel like she didn't smoke enough.

Well, nobody smokes enough in these movies, but knowing that Julie Delpy, there's a not so long ago Guardian profile of her that opens with Julie Delpie is smoking.

She is constantly smoking.

Yeah, it's it, I have it here.

Julie Delpie smokes and smokes.

She smokes so much, she should consider wearing ashtrays as trinkets.

It's the first two.

You're dreamwoman.

Honestly, pornography.

Yeah.

No, she, uh, I love also that he gets so excited that she's smoking, has a drag, gets his own, lights it off of hers.

True smoker behavior, respect.

Wonderful.

We were, I'm still upset that they didn't smoke in the first movie.

That's fine.

The butcher's girlfriend a word wink link in the film i mentioned this earlier i just felt like they could have done a slightly better job of trying to find each other if this was the true love of your life and you've never been the same since it didn't work out that day i just feel like and by 2004

you could maybe hunt the person down you get the impression that she didn't go the extra mile yeah exactly but she's pretty busy she was in new delhi You know, it's not like all consuming.

Pretty busy.

She's having New York

pieces of herself.

She was in the the United States of America for four years.

Yeah.

But didn't know his last name at that point.

We had AOL at that time.

Yeah.

How many Jesse's are in Texas from her birthday?

I just feel like she would have known his last name by the end of spending 20 hours together in Vienna.

What is his last name?

Wallace.

Wallace.

What's age the worst?

I really have nothing other than I wanted Delpy to take a couple more puffs from the cigarette.

She might say it.

She takes one and then really doesn't smoke it anymore.

I'm not sure to be a dick, but can we just talk this out?

Could we have the meeting?

Jesse's second novel idea is not good.

Oh, yeah.

That idea was...

Hmm.

That was like a bad podcast pitch.

I liked it.

And yet what he says

fits very well into MyFlex category.

Okay.

Oh, we can do that right now.

So MyFlex category is a three-way tie.

It's the Dracula the Musical Award for best imitation of real art.

The three things that are tied are Celine's song, A Waltz for a Night, the cover of Jesse's book, which is called This Time, which looks like a real novel that you would have seen at Barnes ⁇ Noble in 2004.

And the third is the answers that he gives during his impromptu press conference after his, and including...

his

quote-unquote reluctance to share what he's going to say for his next novel.

And then immediately reveals it in full to French journalists at the end of his book tour.

And the idea is super flawed and kind of stupid.

And yet, the way that Ethan Hawk has an amazing ability to do when being interviewed imbues it with so much quote-unquote meaning that you're like, I might read that book.

It's a pre-order for me.

No doubt.

Absolutely no doubt.

That his,

like in the, like, if I remember correctly, he's like,

His daughter who is talking to him reminds him of the girl he loses his virginity.

That is a little weird.

In the proud tradition of I'm an old woman and you're a 13-year-old boy.

There is a little bit of oddness to it.

But this is again, like a through line for Jesse.

You guys talked about like, did Jesse invent YouTube and live streaming, like the 24-hour program idea?

Then he has this pitch for the whole book takes place in the span of a pop song across time.

You know, without getting into any of the particulars about where we find them and before midnight, when he, he's, there's like a seven minute scene where he's ripping off, here's what my next book is going to be about.

And everybody has their own.

And the other guy's just like, this idea doesn't make sense.

And even the way you are describing it is clearly not accurate.

And Jesse's like, here's why it's great.

And I'm like, I side with Jesse.

This is just this thing.

He's just, it's sophomore slump.

That's what I'm saying.

Is Jesse a great artist or is he the future inventor of meta?

Like he, a lot of his ideas are like kind of where we are with technology a lot of the time.

They're much less having to do with

Bitcoin.

What if I could just pay somebody?

I didn't like the second novel idea.

I had it in Picky Knits that he would just volunteer it to these strangers.

Yeah.

Workshop in it.

It was probably my biggest nitpick in the movie because if you have an idea, the last thing you want to do is be like, what do you guys think?

Because then somebody else can just write it and take it.

You never know

that one French journalist who was being kind of a hardo who was like, there's no way they got back together.

He's just like, I will write the pop song novel.

Well, this lazy American.

He was kind of the woge on LeBron yeah

anyone could just like tweet about it so that's helpful does anyone have a cr thinks luke wilson could have been harrison forward how to stake award i do i don't have to stake okay let's let's hear it cr

uh

jesse kind of fucks over his wife and celine fucks over her war photo journalist boyfriend who's probably in a war zone when she decides to get back together with this guy

i don't know last night was re-watching this and i asked adam what do you think the lesson the movie is and my husband said to me we had a very like sensible measured conversation he's like it's probably like try to find your first love again.

And I was like, yeah, is it like, it's like okay to cheat on your spouse?

I mean, I just to say

if you shot, if you could make

before sunset from the perspective of Jesse's wife, who's home with a five-year-old boy, waiting for him to get back from this lark of a book tour for his like kind of bestseller novel when she knows this second novel is not going to take off because it's a stupid idea.

And she's like, okay, when you get back, you have to take the kid for like a week.

And then it's like, yeah, hey, like, when, when does he make the phone call to be like, crazy thing happened, missed the flight, but like, I'll jump on one in a couple of days.

I think when your sex PER is under three, I'll bets are off.

That should be part of the Prime Videos Amazon x-ray feature is that you can see the sex PER for every character on screen at any given time.

I was also thinking, like,

in midnight, he wants to move to Chicago to be closer to the sun.

So I don't know if they're living in Chicago at the time.

He thinks he wants that.

Okay.

They were supposed to talk about the third movie.

I'm just saying there is a possibility that while Jesse's on his European tour, his wife's banging Kirk Heinrich.

Yeah, they're not in a good place.

They're not in a good place.

But they're in New York at that time.

They're not in Chicago yet.

Is there a deleted scene where Jesse's wife is just angrily stalking around in the airport because he's not, he has his plane.

He wasn't on the plane.

Or hysterical, like, where is he?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think this is a completely valid point.

That is one of the things about the movie that, like, it makes you complicit in kind of rooting for them to commit adultery.

But, like, you were very

swept up and yeah, both things are true, right?

You want to see them together.

And also,

he's clearly destroying Henry's life and his psyche for the rest of the day.

This is why, like, all of that will be dealt with in the third film, right?

In a way that is.

Smiley, what's your hottest take?

All right, here's my hottest take.

We haven't talked enough, obviously, about Che the Cat, but

it's time.

And

my take-I honestly don't know this is very hot.

This is a Tepa take.

Celine, who I love and is a very important character to me, terrible cat mom, terrible cat mom.

She is so boastful about the fact that she just deposits every morning this beautiful creature in the mean streets of Paris just to fend for himself in the hundred-degree weather.

No,

terrible.

No, that's a hot take.

But I mean, cats are animals who would just kill rodents and different things.

Bring a dead rat back into your living room and be like, look, mom.

My cat sleeps in my arms in bed.

Your cat's like 15.

It's driving.

Watch it.

Careful.

That cat's going to live forever.

Careful.

There is a line.

You can make fun of Mark Andrews.

It's a lie.

Oh, get to HR.

I don't know if I can follow that one up.

I texted this and I think I believe it.

I think the car ride scene is, I don't know if it's the best scene of the 2000s, but it's the scene that makes me feel the most

kind of electrified when I'm watching it.

And it's on a list with two other scenes that I can think of right off the top of my head, which is one, the truck flipping over in the dark night, where I was like, oh my God.

Like, this is so exciting and crazy when that happened for the first time.

And then the other one is yo homie is that my briefcase from collateral when tom cruise shoots those two guys in the street and i was like what the fuck like holy cat and i was so like just pumped up and excited and this movie is that scene does the same thing in a different way obviously but yeah where you just can feel everything inside your body when it's happening you're thinking really hard and you're feeling really deeply at the same time So you're saying that should get the okay, motherfucker award for when the movie goes up?

I think so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think so.

Casting what ifs, there are none.

Best that guy award, there are none.

Victor Dobcha.

Dobcheff, is that his name?

The guy who's

Jesse's

French handler.

I had him in Dean Waiters.

Stealth, stealth, stealth, that guy.

I'm just stealthing it up.

I had him in Waders as well.

Yeah, here's my Waiters.

720 at the very latest.

Deion Waiters Award, the press tour questionnaire, the limo driver who looks like Larry Zabisco.

What do you got?

My Deion Waiters is the guy Chris just talked about.

The books are very good thing.

Philippe doesn't really do anything.

No.

He just kind of nods.

Yeah.

Probably could have been drawn out a little more.

Yeah.

Post-script editing.

It's unclear

if he understands anything Jesse says.

Well, it's also like, does Philippe

get paid either way, or is it his job to get Jesse to that airport?

Otherwise, he's assassinated at the end of the day.

Right after the fade-out, they're about to do the deed, and Philippe's like, Mr.

Jesse, here you're gone.

You're going to be late.

Recasting Couch Director City.

I mean, we can run this back in Boston.

Jesse's book tour in Boston.

I'll just say that the

idea of

Jesse

and Celine being in New York at the same time

is very intoxicating.

And like that idea of like, what if like he's on me?

I mean, even if you want to get crazy on his way to his wedding and he sees her and they have like an hour-long.

Oh, that's like a prequel post-quiral.

i think even though it's like very appropriate that this takes place in her home city it makes sense that that would be where they discovered each other again i really do like the idea of it being in new york because it lends then even more heft to the which continent should we build our lives in question

that will loom large later if we had actually seen them at however briefly in the states together we would have had that measuring stick

and we still have not seen them in the states together Right.

You didn't give Celine the Edie Falco and Copland Award as well for the character that became three times hotter as soon as they had a cigarette?

It's not even three times hotter.

She's already like non-smoking heavyweight champion of the world.

Half-asser net research originally linked later considered

a larger budget with four locations, could not get the funding.

So they scaled it back.

What would that have been like?

I don't really even understand that.

It just feels like it completely betrays the whole point of

the first two movies to be like a bigger budget.

I just didn't get it either.

They filmed it in Paris, obviously.

Shakespeare and Company is the bookstore.

It's on the left bank.

It's the right bookstore.

Yeah, I've been.

Le Puree Café.

The Promenade Plantee Park.

Can I just tell you what

is bad?

Le Puree Café.

It is 45 minutes walk from Shakespeare.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's a little bit of a movie magic going on.

There's some other French stuff that I'm not going to try to say the names, including her apartment, which was filmed in Cour d'ét desert,

since no tier.

You guys have your social clip.

You said you weren't going to say it.

It was one of the hottest summers on record, 100-degree weather during the filming.

And then the man and woman that Celine speaks to in the courtyard were her actual parents.

You can see a review of Jesse's book

next to the picture where she looks like a cross-eyed baby.

That That would have been my like this time capsule, you know, best like 2003 thing about it.

Still clipping out like things from a newspaper or magazine and taping them to your wall.

The CD is Tomato Collection by Nina Simone, which weirdly was recorded on June 16th, 1968.

Oh.

Yeah.

Apex Mountain Hawk.

Can I just say one more internet research thing?

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

The guy who jogs past them when they're sitting in the park.

There's a guy who runs past them.

He's wearing a Horace Pinker t-shirt, which is a early 90s pop punk band from Arizona.

Just very link later to do that, I think.

And very CR.

Also, and they apparently were writing the final scene, the Celine's apartment scene, at 3 a.m.

the night before.

They were still working on it.

Wow.

Yeah.

Apex Mound.

We already did Hawk and Delpy.

I think this is it for Delphi.

Probably.

Yeah.

Gets Academy Award nominated.

This movie is a beloved classic.

Paris?

Nope.

Nope.

No.

Paris in movies?

No.

What is it?

Ratatouille.

No.

Omelie?

Not for me.

Not an Omalie guy.

Midnight in Paris.

Breathless.

Yeah.

An American image.

Any number of

Paris.

It's a long pretty long list.

Sequels, no.

Romantic sequels.

Might be.

Maybe.

Romantic sequels.

Yeah.

It's a short list.

Yeah.

Mama Mia 2.

What else is on that list?

Penitentiary 2.

I'll get back to you when they make a sequel to Past Lives.

Do you guys think it's Apex Mountain for film endings?

Oh, holy shit.

It's a huge question.

I have Casablanca.

Not ready to answer that.

It's an inverted Casablanca.

There will be blood.

Godfather.

Rocky 2.

Shaw Shank.

Did you say Rocky 2?

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Shining.

I think for me, it's probably Shaw Shanks, though.

Or the Shining.

Movies, movies set in one day?

There are a lot.

Draft Day.

Yeah, Draft Day.

Bueller.

This is a good movie set in one day.

Yeah.

It's definitely on the list.

It's not even.

It's like

is it supposed to be real time?

I forget.

Is it supposed to be 78 minutes?

Is that about?

Yeah.

He's saying it's like an 80 minutes to 20.

There is some cutting where we don't actually watch them do every single move out of the cafe into the cafe.

I don't know if this is Nina Simone's Apex Mountain.

It's not.

But you could make a case because this movie will live on for like 100 years.

So in a weird way.

She was a world-famous star.

No, I can't.

I'm just saying.

What is her Apex Mountain then?

Maybe it's her.

Feeling good or her posthumous Apex Mountain.

Yeah.

It could be her posthumous Apex Mountain.

Yeah.

That's a good answer.

There's a great documentary about her.

There's a very bad biopic about her starring as always Aldanya.

Paris Bookstores.

Paris Boat Rides and Love.

Those are my last three.

I was was going to say,

is this the best movie couple?

Is this Apex Mountain for me?

Apex Mountain for love.

Well, for love, for love.

Apex Mountain for movie couples.

I think so, yes.

Wow.

You live their lives with them.

Alvie and Annie.

Yo, come on.

Yeah, what other Woodman characters you got on the list?

I think if you apply it to the whole trilogy, the two of you were full of shit.

You know, you were.

Where would you put Manhattan?

Oh, CR, CR, you're really off of a resume there.

I guess this is the last rewatchable.

I was trying to think like Billy Crystal, Meg Ryan.

These two are way better to me.

Yeah, that's what I'm just trying to think of.

Famous couples in a movie.

Yeah, I think there's obviously a lot of.

Oh, I know it.

It's De Niro and Fonda.

Jackie Brown.

So, number two.

There's a a lot of movies from the 40s that are obviously in the conversation.

Ingrid Bergman.

Yeah, I get.

I know.

I'm just loving the story.

The story was referenced in their first film.

And Annie Hall.

Allie Larder.

She's on the record.

And if I remember, that's one that jumps to mind.

Casablanca is a huge one.

Cruiser Hanks.

Can you weigh in on Cruiser Hanks?

So I don't think there's a, I enjoyed your discussion.

I don't think there's a place for either of them in this film unless we got that

alternate four-city version.

You need other characters.

There aren't other characters in the movie.

What if they just recast Jesse with Cruz?

Cruz or Hanks in the Jesse part.

It's not something that we can cast.

It doesn't matter.

Cruise or Hanks in the Jesse part.

Pick.

Yo, homie, is that my Celine?

I would go with Cruise.

All right, so Cruz with Cruz.

Cruz describing Cruz like twice.

Yeah,

it all takes place in Cruz gets

it.

You go by, you go by, you go by.

I would dissolve into molecules.

I've had sex 10 times.

Scorsese or Spielberg?

What do you have now?

It's got to be Spielberg.

I don't think you can consider Scorsese for the trilogy until Before Midnight.

I considered it.

Scorsese.

Cameron!

Scorsese for Before Midnight is very silly.

Silly!

That was the only second novel idea I had!

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

Cadbury's really grown to me.

Gotta be be sleep.

Sleep the limo driver.

How's the cheating, Jesse?

How's the cheating?

So I have a little special mailbag interlude from Courtney C

who writes, the Rewatchables mailbag episode was fantastic.

Thank you, Courtney.

I was thinking about that email that suggested a female counterpart category to the Cruz versus Hanks category.

How about this?

Pick a Jennifer.

Would the lead female role be better?

Would Jennifer Anniston, Lawrence, Lopez, Connolly, Garner, or Coolidge?

Oh, Connolly, Jennifer Connie.

Jennifer Roulette.

Oh, my God.

I didn't hear Love Hewitt in there.

Then she writes, P.S., I love the podcast.

Whenever you get together with CR, it always feels like I'm hanging out with the guys I grew up with.

Keep up the great work.

Wow, thanks for watching.

Corey, just thanks for watching.

Thanks for making us feel great.

Let's have some cool friends.

So Jennifer Love Hewitt could be in there, too.

Could Jenna Ortega be squeezed in?

What's the Jenna Jennifer?

Jenna Ortega.

No, Jenna's not there.

Jenny has earned it.

Not yet.

She's not there.

But Jennifer Love Hewitt, I think, could be in there.

What about Jennifer Jason Lee?

Jennifer Jason Lee could be in there.

What about screen icon Jennifer Jones?

Think of all the great Jennifers.

What about Jennifer Flowers?

C.R.'s favorite, you know?

So all Jennifers are open.

Do you like this category?

All Jennifers are open.

Any Jennifer.

All Jennifers Are Open sounds like the porn title.

I like this one.

So who would be the Jennifer for this?

I can't conceive of this character not being French.

So until you give me an alternative French accent.

How about Jennifer Conley with a French accent?

Yeah, sure.

I mean, who says no, honestly?

Yeah.

The Dan Campbell scale for holy shit.

Are they really going for this right now?

The waltz.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, she's going to play it?

Oh.

Yeah.

All right, Mallory, it's time.

Your flex category.

Okay.

I'm going to do, did this movie have a porn parody?

Oh.

And

are you surprised?

No, I didn't know where you were going.

You were workshopping these these a little earlier.

Go ahead.

So I don't actually know the answer to the question.

I assume it's no.

I didn't want to Google that on my work computer.

But I think we should discuss, like, if it, if it could have been, you just started doing this a few moments ago or very organically, Chris.

I would like to nominate as the title before come set.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

CR.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was like, we forgot to say before come rise.

Yeah.

And this is before come set.

So Dave Days and Dave is fucking.

it's before come shop that's you're being a little bit direct are you before cumrise and before cum set is pretty good what is cum set

frusty befouled surfaces of the apartment after after they close the blind and they fuck for 10 days and sweet little che has to like just

wait wait for secretions to get to his food bowl

yeah

i'm just gonna look it up

it's just not

craig's gonna take the safari cachet hit

I like when Mal, when we do movies with pets, Mal always remembers the pet's name.

Jay, yeah, sure.

I mean, what does it mean?

Well,

in Argentinian, it means hope, I believe.

Is that what she said?

Yeah, because Jesse's like, you're a commie.

Bit of a

hardline,

kind of right-wing, Jesse.

Was he just...

He's very undermining of a lot of her left-leaning ideas.

9-11 had a big impact on him.

Yeah.

You know, it radicalized him i don't know jesse dedicated this time to donald rumsfeld

was did jesse storm the capital on january 6th huge wolfowitz guy jesse yeah he looked at the department of defense have to protect the green zone

we did we did all my picking nits it yeah actually and then the 47 minute walk There's one where the extra in the red shirt is about to walk by them and then doesn't walk by them when they flip camera angles for like 10 seconds.

That's just like a fuck-up.

Do better.

Um,

we hit everything else.

You don't have any other nitpicks, right?

My was the 45-minute walk, is actually the like it's like eight minutes in the movie.

It's actually 45 minutes, sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast, or untouchable.

This became a trilogy.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Roma, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm.

CR?

I was thinking about how funny it would be as Jesse sees Celine,

the culmination of this nine-year wait,

and then Wayne Jenkins walks up to him and goes, God damn, Jesse!

Hey, man, that's some great fucking auto fiction, dog.

I didn't know I was here with Super Novelists and a motherfucking bestseller spot.

You better get back to your wife and kid, or your royalties are going to come alimony for a long fucking time, big dog.

I was hoping you'd do incredible.

Do you think Wayne spends a lot of time in Paris?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Really cultured guy.

Loves to travel.

You're not doing Romo?

GM, he's going to miss that plane.

Yeah.

He's going to miss that plane, Jim.

It's a 10-10 flight, Jim.

Philip's going to lose that commission.

After 9-11, it takes a ton of time to get through security, Jim.

I actually was thinking Collinsworth would be pretty good for this.

Yeah.

Like, oh, my.

She just nailed nailed the waltz, Mike.

I mean, you can't, she didn't even remember the lyrics that she was nailing it, Mike.

Just want to ask her.

Just want to ask her who gets it.

Delpie.

I think so.

I like that.

Here's the argument.

It's Link Leader for sunrise, Delpie for sunset, Hawk for midnight.

And they each get one.

If the world were just.

Hawk's performance in midnight is unrivaled.

probably unanswerable questions when did he actually get on the plane how many days passed so do you

calls her and is like i'm not coming back because i'm gonna have 10 days of sex with celine no i think he waits

i think we're in the lying stage if he goes back a day two later no he's there for days and days i'm meeting with i'm meeting with the book company here about the sex

of the tour it's it's some live and he goes home and he's like i

have had an incredible amount of sex with the love of my life.

We're done.

Hey, they're running a fucking nursery.

Yeah.

We're done.

We're done.

He doesn't say that to her.

What do you think?

I think they probably have a sort of illicit affair over time and he doesn't go back right away and break it off immediately.

And they try to figure.

Oh, I disagree.

I think he stays in there.

He's like, three extra days, and then he's like, tells his wife when he gets home.

He's like, I'm packing.

Guess what?

Hank's going to camp in France.

They get into all that.

I think maybe just

my affection for Hank.

I want to believe.

Hank's collateral damage in the love affair of a lifetime.

Hank will be fine.

Hank's got a cool new stepmom.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hank got pardoned.

Hank got pardoned from January 6th.

He's fine.

He's doing good.

Oh, man.

Internalized all of his father's ideas.

Any other unanswerable questions for you all?

I have a couple.

I have a couple as well.

You think Hawk wrote in all the stuff about Jesse being a stick man, like in terms of like his lasting sexual impact on Celine's life?

Oh, that he added that?

Why don't you say this?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Those are his contributions to the scribe.

And

I mean, what do you think Philippe's thinking this whole time?

This is one of my huge ones.

I think he's just stoned.

Do you think he understands English at all?

I wonder that many times.

Because there is actually, it's sort of like a little disturbing when like this woman is in the back of his car begging to get out.

She's speaking French, obviously.

But like,

yeah, how long does he wait, like you said, before he goes and pursues Jesse and tries to figure out if he's going to be able to fulfill his mission?

A lot of Philippe questions here.

I will say, in the grand scheme of things, like the fuck you let me out of the car is like one of the hardest things to navigate when you're driving, whether you're being driven or driving.

If somebody's just like, I'm getting out, and you're like, we're on fucking La Raya.

Where are you going?

But he didn't say that.

He was just like, the man said, no, I'm going to keep going.

Yeah.

They're only stopping if you're like, I'm going to throw up.

Then they'll fucking stop.

Philippe stops.

stops for that one um how do you guys think the song about che the cat went we know that that's one of the three english songs one is about an ex uh an ex-ex many expressions i had a question died and unanswerable for that whether she was singing the waltz regardless of which one he picked

because the choices she gave were like pretty lame choices i think that that's on purpose i think that she gave him those choices so that he would pick the waltz that's what i'm saying and she offers it up last because who would have been like oh let me hear the song about your cat that sounds awesome and we certainly wouldn't want to hear the song about the ex.

No, of course not.

But the song about the cat would have been great.

The only thing for the ex, she's like the ex-ex would be like, is that about me?

Maybe I'll pick that one.

Possibly.

Yeah.

Possibly.

But we know she's had many men.

Many men.

Many.

Pieces of herself were handed out all over Paris and New York.

Nope.

She takes her health very seriously.

Remember?

That was part of her lie about, I mean, that part was probably true, but when she's lying about remembering having sex, she's like, I take my health very seriously.

Unanswerable question.

Jesse, you think he's a book talk star today?

You think he'd just be crushing in on book talk, writing romance novels?

I mean, he's a 60-year-old man.

So

he's probably not.

I think Jesse would be huge on book talk today, and I wish he had gotten to live in this time.

I have a probably unanswerable question.

What's book talk?

Book talk?

Oh, boy.

It's answerable, I assure you.

BookTalk is

a subset of TikTok that is about books.

Well, I figured I could say that.

Yeah, like

be big for romantic in particular.

And as you know, Jesse writes romance novels and likes to incorporate some fantasy elements into his stories.

So you know why I'm not on TikTok?

Because I'm going to be like Will Smith and I am legend.

I'll be the only one left after the Chinese take everything from TikTok.

It'll just be me.

They'll not have my info.

It was out of bounds for me to like Danny Hall though.

Oh, man.

The floor is yours, the woodman.

Do you guys think that Jesse insisted on Paris being the last stop on the book tour?

We all agree that it's a picking date that he would have a European tour,

but was he like, Paris has to be last justice.

Do you think Jesse's

needs with the press?

He somehow got a 10-city European tour, so maybe.

Wouldn't you argue that the opposite would be the way to go, though?

That he should start in Paris so that she could join him.

She's definitely wounded when he's like, yeah, I was here last night.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's like, oh, I just wanted to see that.

So maybe he wasn't

fully strategizing for this because he'd already had his heart broken so badly.

and the book was published and was reviewed and she never tracked him down.

So, okay, let's build on this and it gets to the questions you were asking earlier, another unanswerable.

If he had not had a stop in Paris, because she says, I saw the event.

This is my favorite bookstore.

I come here.

I saw your face.

I saw the event.

Easy enough to go.

But she also says, I read about your book.

Yes.

Seemed vague.

This is strangely familiar.

She read the book.

She read it twice.

The French covering this time breathlessly.

Enraptured.

If he had not come to Paris, would she then have gone to find him?

Because she knows for sure who he is, where he is.

She's been reading about him, reading about the book.

I think no, too.

I think she's too scooped out at this point.

She's pretty beaten down.

Yes,

she's in Neil Macaulay range.

Why are you so interested in what I do, lady?

You really got Neil on the brain, I feel like.

I haven't been studying Scotty.

The scouts are out.

Scouting department.

It's senior bull time.

It's been an axman at 40.

It's coming up.

Boy, you see Seismore running the 40

like what i'm seeing from him i uh i have some real questions about whether she would ever know the book came out

in 2004.

she's got a little clipping

that means she's reading the newspaper from cover to cover does she seem like an i read the newspaper

in 2004 okay let me let me ask you a question i'm just i i there's a world where she just never knows the book came out

You had a crush on a girl in high school.

Okay.

You hadn't thought about her in 10 years.

We had Facebook in 2008.

Did you ever just pop that name into the search bar?

Sure, of course.

But then this is the equivalent of that.

But this is the equivalent of that.

But it hinges on that she had to see that this book was coming out with this guy, Jesse Wallace.

But was she to know that's the Jesse Wallace?

So why didn't she look him up?

Is it possible that she hasn't fully revealed how closely she's been tracking him?

Because

she's stealth like been monitoring it.

But and maybe some time had passed and she hadn't thought about him as much, but she got lonely or she got, she hit turned 30 and was like oh my god am i no once google got better she googled him found out he was married and decided to

maybe she knew he was married the whole time what did she google jesse texas she could have just written his publisher and been like she didn't know

jesse incidentally i'm the woman in this book this is the thing like they didn't they didn't exchange phone numbers they don't actually know that much the last name is important we don't know if they exchanged last names That would be crucial.

I don't think they did.

You say no.

Okay.

I think that's crazy

that they wouldn't have exchanged last names when they're 20 hours together.

I have another question because we couldn't answer this in the first one because we didn't know if they had sex or not, but they did.

Yeah, twice.

Twice.

Way to go, Jesse.

Jesse put all his stuff in a locker.

Did they have condoms?

1994.

They talk about it in this way.

He says he remembers the brand of the condom.

Yeah.

Oh, you're right.

Has them in his wallet, has them in his pocket, stopped to pick them up.

As soon as they leave the bar, he's like, you already need me a free bottle of wine.

Give me some condoms he got them

what do you mean it's a dark era you don't know about this

what's age of the best um lambskin just in case you had an exciting night with a big opportunity you always kept one in the wallet but that was not a good idea i'm saying the condom's in the era for when you're single and that's part of your that the question is really

what condom was jesse kept they told us not to do that why because it would erode the usability also if the guy who had the condom that was like in there so long that it would make a ring on the wallet, it'd be like very deeply sad.

Deeply sad.

You had the bad motherfucker, but for unused condoms wallet.

What kind of, like, was Jesse carrying like a magnum so that people were impressed?

Was he carrying like a ribbed for her pleasure?

Yeah.

What kind of condom do you think Jesse was carrying?

Good question.

A cheap one.

He throws that money at like 7 p.m.

Yeah, he probably got a condom from like the, one of those things that drops him out of the bar in the bathroom.

Yeah.

The thing he put in, like, 10 cents.

So, for what piece of memorabilia would you want?

Jesse's just got him from the first film.

I'd want Jesse's signed book of this time.

Me too.

I think is the easy, obvious answer, which raises the question: was this time

a good title?

Yeah.

Can I ask a secondary question?

What would you have done if the book had been called Before Sunrise?

I don't think I would have liked it, actually.

That's one degree too.

It shows restraint to not do that.

Yeah.

I think this time is a terrible title.

Yeah.

Before right, but before sunrise is a beautiful title.

And so it feels appropriate that you should.

I actually think it should have been called before sunrise, even though it's corny.

It makes more sense to me than this time.

What does this time even mean?

It sounds like the name of a Kenny Loggins song.

Yeah.

He should have

been heart to heart.

But then he writes that time.

That's right.

That's right.

Actually, what a fool believes.

If we're going Yacht Rock, that would be good.

That would have been good.

Better title.

Coach Finn Stock award, best life lesson.

Memories are a wonderful thing if you don't have to deal with the past.

That was a great quote from her.

Really good.

I have sometimes you got to miss that plane.

Yeah, that's mine as well.

Best double feature choice has to be before sunrise, unless you would say before midnight.

No, I would pick before sunrise.

Okay,

yeah.

Who won the movie?

The only thing I pair before.

I have Delphi.

I feel

the first one is kind of Hawks and this one's kind of hers.

Maybe that's too simple a way of looking at it.

There's something about

I'm watching him through her eyes in this film somewhat, but you feel the opposite.

I feel the opposite, yeah.

But not by much.

Like I said on the last one we did, I felt like it's really close, but the last one is more up.

And this one, even though it has this amazing romantic ending, there's way more pain in this movie.

I think Delphi wins.

That's why you're my guy.

If I had to pick, I would.

Because the movie hinges on the, if the waltz isn't really good, the movie kind of

gets a little scraggy.

But it hits just as much on his face as he's listening to it.

It's tough.

You almost can't pick.

Yeah.

It has to be both of them.

It's almost like it's a made-up category on a podcast.

Well, buckle up.

Producer Craig, who had not seen any of these movies

and then watched both of them.

On a plane.

Does that bother you?

Is that how he's on a plane?

No, I think that's actually perfect.

Yeah, you were trying to give us misconceptions.

Give us your thoughts on one and then two.

Okay.

Truly mesmerized by the first one.

Beautiful movie.

Sean mentioned in the first part about the dialogue kind of being that early 20s dorm room philosophizing.

I completely identified with that.

I fell in love with Celine, who didn't.

She's very funny.

I think the only thing, so watching, so I love that entire movie.

I love that they,

my favorite quality about the movie is that

about both movies really, is that they, they don't fully get along always.

They don't, they're not, they are a perfect fit, but that's not a literal term.

And I think a lot of times when they try to build relationships in movies, the perfect fit are like, you all like the same things and you have the same views about everything.

And they don't have that.

And it's messy sometimes, but you still know that they are, they should be together.

But that doesn't always mean you agree.

And so I thought that was really smart writing.

I really enjoyed the ending.

I was like you, Bill, like a hopeful.

I thought they were going to get back together, or at least I wanted to believe that.

And you don't want to think about it too much, the possibility that they wouldn't get get back together.

I also was a little bit annoyed that she liked Ethan Hawk so much at the beginning of the movie, because I think he's not the best hang.

He's a little bit smarmy and smug.

And I was almost jealous of Jesse.

I was just like, this fucking guy?

I'm like, he's really getting Celine right now.

But then

I think it's part of it.

They kind of soften each other and their differences come together.

The movie doesn't work if she's not French.

Also, she has has to have an accent, honestly.

She has to be French.

I firmly believe that.

If she was Jennifer Conley, it wouldn't work.

And then before Sunset,

I was terrified, didn't want to watch it, was upset that it even got made.

Maybe I'm just burned out from sequels nowadays where I'm just like, especially the delayed sequel where it's not immediately planned.

Where, you know, it's like when they put them together and they come out two years apart and it was like a part of a whole thing, it's fine.

But I don't know.

It's like

dumb and dumber too.

20 years later, you're like, God, this is going going to suck.

I knew obviously these movies were beloved.

So whatever.

But

once again, I was I was beautifully surprised.

It was, I like that their perspectives switched in many ways.

And again, it was clunky and they took time to warm up to one another once again.

Cause at first you're like, I don't know.

They're not really meshing once again.

The only thing I think what's aged the worst in this movie.

Oh, boy.

No, no.

I think both of these movies are honestly perfect.

But the only thing that ages the worst is I think that young people are aging uh slower now because how old are they before sunset 32 23 sunset they're 33 or 33 32 33 32 33.

i think that's too young now to have like a kid and stuff yeah i i think the idea of like you're 32 and your life is over is no longer identifiable for people my age yeah as a 30 year old myself now i'm just like they they're they seem like a weathered 32 to me he's got two kids and a wife she's had a whole life it just feels like nowadays people are getting started so much later that they in my head they should be like 37 having this issue not 32.

um it's a really good point i think that's accurate if it's later in their life and they haven't seen each other it's almost like it breaks through some wall of like yeah but that was like 15 years ago do you know what i mean there's something about that's why this movie works so well with the years it was made yeah because you'd also if it was made now

There would be phones.

She would have hunted him down in five seconds.

There's all these reasons why this movie could never happen in the way it happens.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it really feels like I can't believe it worked that this sequel came out and it before midnight worked, but it really does feel like you're getting like a, it's kind of suspenseful.

It's like you can't believe that you get these 80 extra minutes with this couple that you have no idea what happened to.

And it's the most captivated I've ever been watching two people talk.

It's like you genuinely are like, I can't miss a word they're going to say.

But you did not watch the good review from Craig.

I know where it's headed and I don't want to go there.

You don't know where it's.

I'm happy now.

You don't know where it's.

I'm happy where I am now with this

franchise.

You have to watch it.

No.

What?

Craig.

At least I'm like, can I live with this for nine years like everybody else got to?

Craig.

No.

Don't watch it.

I think that's not a bad idea.

Yeah.

But you run a very serious risk, which is you will be very close to the age of the characters in the movie when you watch the next movie.

Which I was.

Which is.

A little risky.

But isn't it worse if I watch it at 30 now and going, that's where I'm headed?

Nope.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I think if you find yourself associating with the feelings in the third film, you will have a full-blown midlife crisis.

Well,

do you agree?

I actually

can I answer that or is it getting into too many spoilery territory?

I think there is a take.

Are you going to ruin pull my intestines through my rectum months?

You've nailed that every time, by the way, like the phrasing of that, which is very impressive.

I kind of think you, you,

I think there's something comforting about it, actually.

That is so, so defining about you.

Yeah, I know, but it's like, I think it's a lot of people.

Other people also have problems.

Even the dreams are not.

It's like it is actually totally normal.

I'm not saying it's not these things.

But to be confronted by

that is a lot.

It is a lot.

It's a very painful movie.

Mentally, I am still closer to the sunrise phase in my life than I am to sunset.

And so I don't even want to think about midnight.

Right.

You're thinking about wife number two, or what do you mean?

How dare you?

These movies are so good.

Unbelievably good.

You have to watch the third one.

It's a masterpiece.

The listening booth is the fact when I heard you guys say it was the first take that

you can't.

It's my favorite.

I didn't know that this movie was 80 minutes when I saw it.

And I just remember freaking out when it ended.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know if I've ever had that experience of like, what do you mean it's over?

Right.

Like desperately wanting it to continue.

It's good that if this movie were two and a half hours, it would feel like overindulgent and sequelized.

I actually love it.

There would also be more opportunities to be like, maybe they shouldn't.

Highlighting.

Yeah.

Weirdly, 80 minutes is also kind of the perfect podcast interview length.

When anyone I've done, I've always felt like around 70 minutes, it starts to get a little gamey.

So once again, Jesse, a pioneer.

We'll see you next week.

Not with before midnight, by the way.

Damn it.