The Re-‘Den of Thieves’ LIVE With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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What you're about to listen to, we taped a couple weeks ago.

We love the movie Den of Thieves.

We'd already done it on the Rewatchables a few years ago.

We decided to do it again.

We were trying to actually experiment with something

in the LA Spotify office.

We had a smaller crowd and we were just

in the experimenting phase.

I don't know what to tell you, but we decided to do Den of Thieves again.

And it's me and it's Van Lathan

and it's Chris Ryan.

And the reason we did it is because Den of Thieves 2 is coming out on Friday and we were excited about it.

So we were like, you know what?

Screw it.

Let's do Den of Thieves 1 again.

So that's what we did.

You're about to listen to it.

Let's play the trailer for old time's sake.

The Federal Reserve.

Same like the whole city go against me.

Only bank that's never been robbed.

Every time I'm in the street, that's why we're gonna rob them.

I hear

there's 800 billion dollars in there.

Vocation adjoint from the inside.

How are you gonna get out of this one?

Keep watching.

What's up?

Yo, yo.

We'll see how long I can keep the jacket on.

It might get hot up here, but I want to get it.

Yeah, it could get hot after a little bit.

The official Den of Thieves Pantera jacket.

It's unbelievable.

Yeah.

CR was like a kid on Christmas when he saw that on the sofa.

Thank you to Lionsgate.

Thank you to Den of Thieves to Pantera because that's why

we rarely do this where we've already done the rewatchables episode and we say fuck it.

Let's do it again.

So, we did this the first time.

What was it, 2019, pre-COVID?

Yeah.

And,

you know, we didn't have a lot of the categories in.

We didn't have Van was the ringer yet.

Van loves this movie.

So we just said, screw it, let's run it back.

This is a movie, the sequel, which we knew was coming.

Yes.

At the end of Den of Thieves 1, it's alluded to the idea that there's more to this story and that'll take place across the Atlantic.

Van, you said something interesting when we were hanging around before.

The slow burn movie that hits on cable or wherever,

and it does a certain whatever in the theater.

This movie did well in the theater, but then,

you know, one of the reasons we have this podcast, it gets a second life of its own.

This is gonna be one of those movies where the sequel does better than the original.

Of course, the two reasons why I was interested in it.

One is because they all went on the breakfast club,

and I love it when white people go on the breakfast club.

So I see this list of people on the breakfast club, and it's like 50 Cent Pablo Shriver

and Gerard Butler.

I want to know who Gerard Butler think won the Jay-Z versus Nas Beef.

And so I thought, okay, this movie's interesting.

And then to a man, every single person that had seen the movie was like, yo, man, you got to see Denna Thieves.

Like, Denna Thieves is actually crazy.

And I watched it and I'm like, I'm vibing with these characters, man.

This is my type of joint.

CR, you're the reason I saw this movie.

Yeah.

Like, we've known each other a long time since 2011.

I would say seven, eight times in my life with you, you just send me a text and be like, Bill.

I think what happens is I'll send you the text.

I'll be like, have you seen Den of Thieves?

I'm going to get around to it.

Then if I see you in person, I pull you aside, I put my hand on your shoulder, and I say, Hey, have you seen Den of Thieves?

And you're like, I'm going to do it this weekend.

And then 10 days later, I get a text that says, Huh, Den of Thieves on watch number three in 10.

And the thing about this movie is it essentially has these three chunks, right?

It's got everything up until Merriman is like, we're cop killers now.

And you're like, holy shit.

And then it's got the middle part where you're like, this is amazing.

I want this to go on for five hours.

Yeah.

And then it has the last hour and six minutes, which is just hard as anything else and has three robberies or three shootouts, essentially.

And you can watch any given part in any order.

And you can just, as soon as one's on, you're just like, I'm in.

I'm watching the whole thing and

the movie legitimately keeps you off balance yes like there are three or four different times like when i was first watching the movie i'm like oh shit

like what's about to happen when they pass each other when he's uh at the house with the girl i thought it was gonna go down right then then the same question that uh he asked him when he's when they're when they're in the bank he goes how are you gonna get out of this one that's what the fuck i was thinking yeah yeah i was like there's no way to get out of this situation Like, he's cooked, but the movie keeps you off balance and keep you off the balance until the payoff is just immense at the end.

Well, it starts out.

We get the card at the top.

Yeah.

2,400 times a year, 44 times a week, nine times a day, every 48 minutes.

It's just flashing up.

A bank is robbed here.

And then it goes away and then it comes back.

That's like the text equivalent.

This is the bank robbery capital of the world.

I'm like, all right, I'm in.

That's the text equivalent of when, like when Billy Bob Thornton is talking about fossil fuels on landman, you're just like, absolutely, I believe it.

And it's the same thing for the text.

The text are just like, all right, I guess I don't witness bank robberies every 44 minutes.

I'm about to say, where they're happening.

They're happening all over the place.

I ain't seen one yet.

48 minutes.

Every 48 minutes feels

feels like a lot.

That would be like every time you go to the bank, there's a one in eight chance.

I think about that.

I'm like, yo, man, online forever.

I don't want to be in the middle of it.

It'd be funny if that was completely made up.

And it was just like, I wonder if they'll believe that.

I kind of believe that they put it in front of a movie and then like you repeat it without verifying it.

Yeah.

You have a party somewhere, you're like, I bet you didn't notice.

Every 48 minutes in Los Angeles.

So, CR, do your thing about a crime movie versus the heist movie.

Oh, yeah.

Well, this is like, I talked about this on the first one, but there was like this idea that a crime movie is essentially about the culture around crime.

So in some ways, I think like Heat is actually like a really good crime film because it's not just about these guys pulling a bank job.

It's about why they're pulling a bank job.

It's all the circumstances that led them to this moment where they're pulling it.

Oceans 11 is a heist movie because it's about the mechanics of pulling off a heist.

It's about all the little layers of how they're going to get into the casino.

And Den of Thieves is both.

It's about the culture of what led these guys to these moment and LA and the LA crime scene, but then it's also about this super elaborate breaking into one bank to tunnel into another bank to sneak out with Chinese food and get $30 million in shredded money.

It's also a movie to me that like examines a culture that I wasn't familiar with yet.

Now, we ended up getting a whole bunch of information on cliques and organizations inside of the LA Sheriff's Department.

But at that point, I didn't really know much about it.

And to see those guys on screen like that, it was almost like Alonzo's people from Training Day.

But if they had a little bit more of an actual code and aim to stop crime.

So the ambiguity of what in this movie is actually criminal, it muddles who you want to win.

And that, as much as anything else in the plot, keeps you off balance throughout the whole movie, too.

For sure.

Well, you mentioned heat.

So

the biggest criticism of this movie with the douchey people who reviewed it, they know who they are.

They're in the wrong.

Was that it was a heat rip-off.

We prefer to think of it, it's the sons of heat, right?

Triple Frontier, this movie.

What are the other sons of heat?

Because heat comes out in 1995, and there's a bunch of movies that are clearly influenced in different ways.

I think he's influenced pretty much every movie that's come from it.

I mean, like, and every movie that came afterwards.

I mean, like, you could go as big as Dark Knight, or you could say something like Triple Nine, or like, there's just tons of crime movies that have come out that have referenced it.

I think that the thing that this movie really grabbed onto is the idea that he has, but this movie takes to another level, too, is just this, like, the robber and the cop being on these paths that are, like, going to collide at some point.

That they're essentially the same person.

That their obsession with whatever it is that they're doing clouds their judgment and infiltrates every single part of their life.

Yeah.

And in some ways, like, I mean, Merriman is more principled than Big Nick in this movie.

So they have the, like, kind of like, who are you watching?

Who are you rooting for?

I think fades and changes throughout the film.

But then they twist everything with this usual suspects plot with Donnie, right?

So that's the thing that I think is the curveball that keeps you off balance throughout the movie is this like, why is we keep going back to the driver?

We keep going back to Donnie.

I know it's an important actor and everything, but like, what's happening here?

And it's only until the last shot, Kaiser Soze style.

And something else about Heat that's a little different here is that

obviously in Heat, you you have Schaherless, who is like all problems, right?

He's like going through it, whatever.

But Neil and the Pacino character are pretty invincible.

I mean, they go through things, right?

Yeah.

But they're pretty one-dimensional in terms of.

They're samurais.

They're like, this is what I do.

Right.

These characters are not.

Like guy in the middle of divorce talking to his daughter through a fence.

He's crying.

You have

O'Shea Jackson's character.

You took it off already, brother.

It gets hot up here.

You couldn't have knew that was going to happen.

But anyways, most of these characters, they have different dimensions to them where you see a little weakness and vulnerability from them.

Sons of Heat, we left that the town.

The town, yeah.

Yeah, that was another one.

So I had crime movie versus heist movie.

A bank robbery movie for bank robbery fans?

Oh, yeah.

Right?

There's some touches.

You really have to love it.

It's like watching non-majors golf.

You know, it's like, I just really,

really like watching Mac.

Culture.

Yeah, the culture rabbit banks.

And then just a lot of alpha male stare downs.

Yeah.

And you mentioned one of them before, but this movie,

you could have maybe done two stare downs, and they have like four.

The entire film is like one gigantic dick measuring contest.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You have Benny Hanna.

You have the gun range.

You have in the prom date.

Well, you you and then you have the the day after when pablo shreiber's

you have literally the lowest form of dick measuring which is my high school used to over your high school right which is something that we do in louisiana all the time oh you went to capital i used to tell y'all motherfucking asses up i'm 44 you know what i'm saying right

it was 1996 but it still happens would you be able to recognize people from a high school you played absolutely yes 22 years later okay yes So I want to make sure.

I still know their names.

All right.

So, after watching this movie a bunch of times, and we did it.

The first time we did the pod, the movie had been out probably like a year and a half.

I think so.

I've seen it at least 10 times since.

This movie checks a lot of boxes for the kind of thing we love, including

when people say things like, What happened back there?

We're cop killers now.

The flashback of the parole prisoner leaving.

So much cooler than that.

I'm just ripping through it.

You do it.

Do your version.

Do your version.

He's like, we're cop killers now.

Like, he says he's got swag.

Van, you want to go?

Yeah, sure.

We're cop killers now.

Yeah, that was nice.

All right, Van Wentz.

We're cop killers now.

That's good.

That's good.

You just needed more than one take.

Yeah, that's okay.

That's two takes.

We have one of my favorites when a paroled prisoner leaves and the prison guard has to give the see you soon, Ray.

Such a dick movie.

The guy's running out of jail.

See, this is my problem with the prison system.

Why are you talking to him like that?

Ray.

Yeah.

He's got the happiest day of his life.

Yeah.

You don't give him a shit.

Yeah.

Like, can't wait till you get back.

Let him go.

The girl's there.

We have a cop saying, yeah, I guess I'm getting divorced.

Join the club we have

We have the the bank that's never been robbed.

Oh my god, and that's why we're gonna rob the fucking staples.

Yeah, but one of my favorite things about a heist movie is talking about just how impregnable a place is that's about to get rid of

somehow there's a ton of information about the place and ventilation but um

the the guy on the phone talking to the cops you just killed a hostage boom love that and then um

i like when there's like intricate detail about shooting where, like in this one, he's like, suspects wearing body armor, limb and headshots only.

Yeah.

It's like that's some fucking deep dive shit.

Limb and headshots only.

Shoot them either in the head or in the arm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the Alameda corridor, man.

You just got to come

ready to rock.

This movie's playing it all.

So Gerard Butler.

Who I knew from 300,

I knew from Law Abiding Citizen.

I I knew from a movie my family loves called Chase Mavericks.

You guys know that.

Big Surf Serving.

Big Serve.

Yeah, that was a big movie in the Simmons house.

Is that an Olympus's Fallen guy?

Well, he did the two Fallen movies.

He's also really good in rock and roller, I think.

Is that the.

Oh, actually, he's in the

awesome.

But there was like some rom-com stuff with him.

And it was like, is he going to be Nick Cage?

Is he going the Ryan Reynolds path?

What is this?

And then he finds himself in Big Nick Chris.

Yeah.

Sometimes you got to age into the roles that you want.

I think this is a case where it's like, he was a beefcake.

He was a rom-com star.

He did some like crime movies or whatever.

But Big Nick and all the movies around this time seems to be, this is where he was always headed.

And this look, being able to wear that weight, wear that age, the bags under his eyes.

I don't think he could have done that 10 years prior.

Yeah.

I mean, those guys, a lot of times, you come out and they fiddle around with it.

Even Matthew McConaughey had like an awkward period where he was trying to figure out who he was in Hollywood.

But when Gerard figured it out, he could.

Who is he?

Who is Matthew Magna?

Did he figure it out?

Yeah, yeah.

All right, all right, all right.

He's the new guy, Texas.

Well, Butler gained 25 pounds for this movie.

Yeah.

And,

you know, sometimes you hear with method actors, maybe, maybe off the screen, they're trying to capture what's in there with the character.

You just get the feeling Butler might have been getting after it a tiny bit.

Well, I guess.

It's perfect.

Big Nick, though.

Big Nick doesn't sleep.

No combat fan?

I mean, he's leathery.

He's grizzled.

He's sweaty.

Yeah, he looks like a guy that, you know, if you're in a situation with him, you think twice about him before you fuck with him.

And that's the kind of thing that you have to give off to make this role really work.

He looks like a guy from the 1970s.

Like, they stopped making dudes looking like that.

In 1986.

He looks like a guy who got home at six in the morning, accidentally texted his wife instead of a stripper, and then drank from milk in the fridge.

Boy, I'll tell you what.

Without putting it in a glass.

So,

like, in one scene,

one thing that is decidedly white and then another thing that is decidedly black.

Oh, that's a good rewatchables category.

Yeah.

Right.

Careful.

But only

but

like every time I see, and they make sure they only have white characters do this in movies.

Every time I see somebody go to a refrigerator and drink whole milk out of the gallon early in the morning, I'm like, God damn, that's Caucasian.

But see,

the other part of it

where

you text your girl, but you really meant to text the stripper, my homie's been through that.

Like we, like, we, I've been there.

Like, dude, what should I say?

What you mean?

We need to find the guy who's done both and make him president.

Exactly.

So

when we did this in 2019, we talked about how this would have been the perfect Nick Cage role in like the mid-late 2000s, and then Nick Cage aged out of it.

And now it's six years like who is the actor now that would be the big Nick O'Brien I think that like

Pedro Pascal maybe uh Wagner Mora maybe you're looking at me like because you're just like there's only one

no you didn't I don't know if we hit it I really think it's a hard

You have to have some experience with the actor.

They have to look a little physically different.

They have to look like this might be happening to them as they're filming the movie.

It's a hard needle to thread.

Like Affleck, I think, could have done it in the mid-2000s, late 2000s.

Affleck, Affleck, Boston, Boston.

Yeah.

Who else?

You know what?

It's weird.

There's a version of this in the multiverse where Leah Shriver

plays Big Nick.

Because he could play.

That could have grown from that.

Think about how.

But it would be brother versus brother.

Brother versus brother.

One went to Long Beach Poly, one South Torrent.

Pablo Shriver, half-brother of the six foot five.

God damn it.

I would say he's about as tall as you can get as an actor and be the lead in a movie when everyone else is so short in Hollywood.

You can't really go higher than 6'5.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, he couldn't, if he was 6'7.

He looks like he could play for the Chargers.

Yeah, he's huge.

He looks like a tight end.

We knew him as Sabaka on the Wire.

Sabaka, yeah.

Way, way, way back.

He was so good in season two.

And then, you know, just was in a bunch of good stuff.

Orange New Black.

Yeah.

I think this is my favorite performance of his.

It's transformative.

It's awesome.

He's incredible in this.

Yeah.

Ray Merriman.

Yeah.

Just kind of has a lot of what you need for a role.

Like this intensity, but at the same time, you have to believe that there's some sort of code.

And it comes across really well when he's on screen that there are certain things that he doesn't want to and won't do.

Is Ray Merriman a fun hang?

Probably not.

It's like come on over to the barbecue at Ray's house.

It's like not a lot of laughs at Ray's house.

Ray is.

Just people grimly eating.

Eating steak unadorned on a paper plate yeah by himself see i think like he's not gonna have a lot of thoughts on the 12 team college playoffs yeah he's like you gotta listen i don't know how the boise steak gets by i don't get it so i think that he's probably this is the thing about this little group i think that they're probably fun within themselves but not fun for anybody else yeah they probably have a lot of fun talking about getting to the ex-fil and Baghdad circa 2006, but that's not some shit I want to hear about.

Right, right.

honestly fan I rarely do this with you but disagree it all scenes that we see with these guys they're like you want to lift like let's lift yeah but look that's all they do they don't like they're not

okay but there's one I get it there's one scene that makes me feel different when they're intimidating the prom date the the the prom date and then after they intimidate the prom date they go back in here and I'm like yo these guys not about to have a laugh about this they were serious but then they all break down and but the one time that these guys crack up is when they're threatening to put a teenager in a wheelchair.

Yeah.

All other times, including at Benny Hanna, before Nick gets there, they're just like

they are hard as fucking nails.

Like, they don't like

there's no laughter, there's only robbery.

I got family here, bro.

I don't appreciate you popping off like this, bro.

$30 million budget made $85 million.

And the key to this movie was it did well, and then it hit this whole cable world really in the last kind of vestiges of when that would happen.

Because now it's just like it's all streamers, you're deciding, you know, what do I want to watch?

Oh, I'll go to Netflix.

Oh, I like that thumbnail, I'll click on that.

This was still the era of you just went to a cable guide and looked around and saw it was on.

And Den of Thieves was on, yeah, I would say for nine months straight on Showtime.

There's like three Showtime channels, it was just on one of the three constantly, And that was where I think the secret sauce came in with the movie.

Yeah.

I mean, I think that

how many films do we, could you name in like the last three years that did something like this?

You know what I mean?

Like since COVID, I think it's been like a real like drought where we're not really seeing films that are getting like a second.

life, a second legs.

And people have talked about this, where it's like the home TV D market, everything about it has kind of killed the idea of films having a second life.

But this film did well in the box office.

And then I think it just became huge.

Another thing is there's just so many movies-like, you're going through your prime video or whatever, and you see a movie, and it's like, Oh my god, most deaf, John Lithgow, Anthony Hopkins.

And are you like, Should I watch this?

And then, yeah, you know what I mean?

But this one, you literally got a vote of confidence from so many different people.

Like, my cousin hit me up, and I know that he's excited about a movie wherever he puts that in front of the name of the movie.

So he'll be like, Oh, Van, did you see that Denn of Thieves?

Yeah,

but the that we know.

Yeah.

He fucking love that shit.

Van, did you see that conclave?

Did you see that alone?

And so.

Did you see that brutalist?

That's how it is.

You love brutalist?

And so I watch it and I'm like, yeah, man, I've seen that Din of Thieves.

That Din of Thieves.

Crazy.

No, Roger Ebert for this.

Every rewatchables episode, we read a Roger Ebert review, but he was long gone because he died in 2014.

But I did ask Chat GBT Roger Ebert.

Oh my gosh.

Had to find out.

And

they said he thought

that ChatGBT thought he would like it.

Den of Thieves has been praised for its gritty action, intense heist sequences.

Some critics found it derivative of earlier crime films like heat.

Again, they can all fuck themselves.

Did Roger Ebert write that?

Chat GBT, Roger Ebert wrote this?

Based on this, Ebert might have given it two and a half to three stars, acknowledging its entertainment value while pointing out its lack of originality or depth.

Chat GBT, settle down.

Yeah, uh, I think you would have gone three stars, and I think you would have liked the uh action stuff, yeah.

I

but I think, yeah, he probably would have brought up other high stuff, but for the, I think he also would have seen that there was like it harkened back to like French Connection, it harkens back to like classic cop movies from the Saturday.

It's the kind of movie that should be made every three, four years, and I also think he would have enjoyed the fact that

even though the movie is familiar in ways, it doesn't play it safe as far as its story.

Yep, it goes for some new things that maybe some of those other movies did story-wise.

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Most rewatchable scene.

First one, donut store robbery.

Yep.

So we get Erie LA,

which

LA, I don't know if other cities operate in the same way, but there's this whole other world of LA

at night, middle of the night, two, three in the morning, where you just kind of don't know what the fuck's going on and a bunch of different parts, right?

And it's just like empty highways.

It's always so weird not to see cars.

And there's just a couple stores open all over the place.

And you just

can I make a suggestion?

Yeah.

You have a very popular genre of social media video called your walk and talks.

When are we going to be 3 a.m.?

I want to see 3 a.m.

Bill.

Donut Runuton.

Donut Run?

Bill walking down Wilshire?

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Not Wilshire.

Fuck Wilshire.

Gardena.

Southgate.

Hawthorne.

I want to see you out there with the people who are the walking talk.

But

you see a movie like this that gives you the card of there's a bank robber every 48 minutes.

And then the next scene, it's the middle of the night with an empty, long, four-lane street and there's a donut shop.

And you're like, this isn't going to go well for the day.

And then it's like, is that Bill Simmons walking by the donut shop talking about the case?

I think it's talking about Drake Bay.

So we get the classic, the guy who's reaching for the coffee who they have to shoot.

Yep.

We're out of time.

We got to engage.

They know exactly how long.

Out of fucking time.

We're trying to engage.

Not that fly.

Rage 100.

Suppressive fire.

Which guy would you be in the crew, Van?

I mean, would you be the guy monitoring when the, like, we have 90 seconds, 60 seconds.

Would you be the lead guy?

Now, that's the best job.

Backup guy?

Right.

The guy in the chair is the best job.

But I'm probably Bosco.

You know, I probably messed the whole thing up.

He was reaching for the coffee.

He was reaching for it.

Pop, pop, pop.

That's probably me.

We don't know what we could do with this Latham guy.

Maybe we have to kill him.

But that's probably me.

But I will say something about that scene is whenever a movie opens with a heist, you're always trying to figure out what that robbery means.

Like what it actually says about the movie and about the crew and about their ethos.

And of all the heists you've seen to open something, this one says the most about the crew itself to me.

Yeah.

Because they end up

contact left, contact right.

You have all of that stuff.

Two, they rob, they basically steal the truck and not the contents of the truck.

So you know there's something more to it.

And then three,

the sentence, we're cop killers now tells you that there's something more to them.

So you probably learned the most about this group because of that.

And that this was like a level up for them.

Right.

Nice little swerve, though, because we don't know what's in the truck.

He opens the door.

I mean, we know after we watch

a hint that this is going to be a very twisty movie.

Yes.

He's looking in the truck like that.

Yeah, it's interesting because there's shades of the opening and heat, but it's also later parts of different heist movies, too.

There's it, it's tapping into a bunch.

So, next one: Big Nick shows up at the crime scene.

And

Gerard Butler's just like, guys, in case you were wondering, I'm going for it.

I'm going for it for the first minute you see me.

Is there a half a box of donuts on the floor with like splattered blood on the box?

I'll have one.

I'm hungry.

Looks great.

Is there an FBI agent I can call Lob and Bob?

They give him the, hey, rough night.

He's like, yes, next subject.

And you just, no, he hasn't slept.

There's no way he has been asleep that night.

He eats the donut fan.

By the way, as far as, because you know, there's always like a grizzled cop rock-bottom thing.

Yeah.

It's either a cop takes out, you know, a cup, a mug, pours some whiskey in it, does some Pepto-Bismol, and you think, damn, that motherfucker nasty.

Right?

But as far as rock-bottom cop stuff goes,

eating

a donut

from a crime scene after someone has said that one doesn't have any blood on it broke new ground and you are a nasty motherfucker

you need god

yeah

your your defense is well the box was closed

that's it that's your only defense

the dude says he's like we got donuts down there and he's like here's a couple of them down there with no blood on them it's just that was when i'm like oh yeah big nick got some problems i also love when you know when these guys come in and they instantly know everything that can happen where he's saying like well they knew the route there's no getaway air bird support And he's just like spelling it out.

It's like, this guy has slept probably one hour in the last three days and has just ate a donut off the floor.

But somehow he's like just reaching left and right.

You're doing same game parlays.

You're just like,

the calves at home.

But

to be honest with you, the script is answering the questions because if you're from LA, when you see that first scene, you're thinking, where is the helicopter?

Like, why is there no chopper in the air?

There should have been a chopper in the air.

And they answer it right away.

Then he gives us the, we're dealing with a different animal, boys.

Yeah.

Like, oh, yeah, I guess we are.

I wrote down, hungover Nick goes right from a donut to a cigarette while making fun of a cop in a suit for being a vegan.

Just elite stuff.

It's great.

It's some of Butler's finest work.

All right, next scene.

Donnie tells the story of how he met.

Merriman and the crew.

Really fun driving scene.

Good flashback stuff.

One of the things I like about this movie is you always know where you are in the movie.

Even if we're going backwards, you always have a sense of what's happening.

So then they have the Merriman setting up the Bank of Banks versus Big Nick breaking down Merriman's crew, where they do a little back and forth.

Which I think works really well.

And Merriman somehow has an incredible amount of information about the Bank of Banks.

Well, we find out why later.

Yeah, later on, we know.

How does he know there were 53 attempts?

Oh, that might be on Wikipedia.

I have no idea.

Is that on Wikipedia though?

I think the thing is that Donnie has Donnie is actually the fount of information.

Like, he's the one who's like, here are all the bar napkins.

Here's all the information.

So it's not

bankrobberyreference.com.

Like we just looked this up.

Yeah, I don't know.

53, whatever.

But then we find out Laveau and Merriman played football at Long Beach Poly.

There's 30 million dollars.

Do you buy this thing that there's $30 million that could just disappear because they have to shred it so nobody's looking for it?

I bought it personally.

I mean, I bought it too.

There's always something like that in every movie.

Like, we're going to steal plates to make more money.

Yeah.

These plates are the only four plates in the whole world and we the only ones that can get them.

I just go, okay, cool.

Well, go.

I will say this.

It's an incredibly high degree of difficulty.

Like

these guys are so heavy hitters.

Like they could just straight up rob a bank.

You know, like they're like, we need to rob this specific cash before it gets into a shredder.

Well, then they can, I guess, spend it for the rest of their lives and it's untraceable.

Yeah.

I guess it's worth it, but I don't know.

Yeah.

Well, Heat has, they're stealing What's His Face's bonds and selling it back to him?

Yes.

What was that guy's name?

Van Zant.

Van Zant.

Van Zant, yeah.

Fast Five had their breaking into the bank in Brazil.

Man.

That nobody's ever broken into the fast people.

That's a secret heist movie.

The fast people doing too much.

They breaking into all different types of shit.

They're breaking into igloos, going to outer space.

It says like whatever is the hardest shit to do, they trying to do it.

I'm over it.

I want them to do some regular shit.

I want them to rap a 7-Eleven in the next fast movie.

Some regular shit.

So going back to the basics.

Go back to basic.

Fast-11, back to the basics.

Fast-11, back to basic.

Take it down to Donald.

John Toretto on a swing,

robbing a regular 7-Eleven.

Because it's going too far now.

It's a private school charity banquet.

He's just taking it down.

Next scene, 50 Cents Pep Talk for his daughter's prom date.

One of the best scenes.

Which they let 50 Cent finally they put a chef's outfit on him, let him cook for three, four minutes.

So here's what's up.

For the past 16 years, my daughter's safety and protection has been my responsibility, my responsibility only.

Now for the first time in her life, I see I got to hand you that responsibility.

Don't fuck up.

Or your mama will weep if she has to wheel your ass around every day the rest of your life.

Now, I worked on this because I want to say this to you as nice as possible.

You understand?

Yeah.

Yes, sir.

Okay, well,

it's all right, that's all right.

Listen, listen.

All he's trying to say is it's wonderful to meet you, and he wants you to have a beautiful evening.

I'll see you at 11:30.

Yeah, yeah.

11:30.

Yeah, 11:30.

Good choice.

I did the same thing to my daughter on his prime date.

I had all the guys from the ringer in the garage

just shot fantasy, trying to intimidate him.

I thought you had really did that.

It would just be funny the phone call that he would make to his boys.

This dude acted like he was about to push up on me.

I'll fuck you.

He had a bunch of nerds talking about their letterbox about

the letterbox.

I saw the brutalists.

I'll go up blue sky and I'll ruin you.

Yeah.

Next scene, my favorite scene in the movie, the Benny Hanna scene.

What you doing here, huh?

Work around here?

Enjoying my dinner, man.

Really?

Fruit here sucks.

Yeah.

Yeah, we come here for the ass.

How many times have you watched the CRT?

Do you go on YouTube and just watch, just type in Dennett Thieves Benny Hana?

Last night, my wife and I were chatting about where we could get like a last dinner before she takes off for the holidays.

And

I did Google directions for Benny Hana in Torrance.

It was not a convenient drive, but

I think about this a lot.

And I don't know why we haven't done a group dinner at Benny Hanna yet.

Maybe we should.

Maybe we should.

But we need to do it when there's somebody there we can like intimidate.

Is this officially Benny Hana?

Did they?

I think they ever say Benny Hana in there, though.

And are there Benny Hana rip-off restaurants or is it like

other type of hibachi joints and stuff like that?

Yeah, the food hair sucks.

We come here for the ass.

He starts talking shit.

Like, what the fuck?

Yeah, some guy over there.

I'm making an onion volcano.

The staff's like, we're right here, guys.

Starts talking all kinds of high school football shit.

Yes.

number 55 right that's how i remember you

wore the same number 55 right

i went to south torrent yeah we played you guys a couple times

yeah you and all those fat ass samoans yeah they were big but mad lazy motherfuckers yeah probably all that spam

yeah we fucking crushed you guys Crushed you guys when I was there.

Crushed you guys when you were there.

Still crushing you guys.

Got family here, bro.

Don't really appreciate you popping off.

All right.

All right, man.

Yeah, all aggro.

Was I being rude?

Hey, was I being rude?

Huh?

What?

Is that an immediate fight, Van?

Well, I mean, yeah, our rivals were capital.

And you don't just bring up different shit that happened.

But what I want to know is what position these guys played.

I want to know if they was on the field together because they taking this shit real seriously.

They see the dude, and the dude is the sheriff, and he goes, Yeah, he played for South Torrance.

It's like he writes this, like, fuck him.

I'm like, God damn, y'all taking it that fucking serious after years and years and years and years.

So, what do you think?

I was going to do this later, but what were the, what do you think, uh, Ray Merriman's with middle linebacker, tight end?

Yeah, free safety linebacker, definitely.

Well, I think he was definitely tall, too late to be defensive end, middle linebacker.

You don't think he had any possibility that he was the quarterback?

I gotta say, like, oh, so 6'5 quarterback.

6'5 quarterback.

He's calling the shot.

Oh, you can't count the guy.

Nobody's fucking following Ray in a huddle.

He's just like, just do what I tell you to do.

Yeah.

Heads and wins.

You know, like,

that's not inspiring.

What about Big Nick?

What position did Big Nick play?

Oh, he was linebacker, wasn't he?

Is he a linebacker?

He was, I think, linebacker and probably third-down running back.

Yeah.

Can I just say, I did more research on Long Beach Poly versus South Torrance than any other thing I've ever podcasted about.

Yeah.

And it rivals only trying to figure out what Lakers game they're talking about in diehard when Theo comes into the lobby of the Nakatomi Plaza.

But it's really weird that Nick is popping so much shit about South Torrance.

And Long Beach Poly, I think, definitively has a better program.

Dominant.

Yeah.

And Deshaun Jackson would have been a better player.

Deshaun Jackson?

Dominant.

And Nick's is like, we whipped your ass.

I'm like, when?

Like, when did that happen?

Well, they had, since we did the first pod, Antonio Pierce became the Raiders coach.

He was the head coach for Long Beach Poly for like three, four years.

So yeah, it was a big-ass program.

Crushed you guys when I was there, crushed you guys when you were there.

Just like,

just bizarre.

Anyway, it's like, hey, bro, we're at a Benny Hanna.

Relax.

That leads to Ray Merriman standing up.

I got family here, bro.

Don't appreciate you popping off.

It feels like we're going to have a Benny Hanna fight.

Right there, yeah.

And then Butler's partner comes in.

Have a good night, everybody.

It's an unbelievable scene, but it leads to, because I think this is part of the same scene, them getting mad at Donnie and taking him to the murder tent.

Yeah.

Is that what we call it?

It's like the blue tent in football, but it's the murder tent.

The body disposal area.

Yeah.

They've got the

Samoan dude with the big bucket ready to go.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of the oh shit.

Like if you're walking into a room like that, like Joe Pesti's just getting whacked and good fellows would, because he's

one second where he knows.

There's the South African dudes in lethal weapon two have the plastic on the floor plastic on the floor is bad when you see the giant garbage can and the guy wearing equipment yeah because he's pouring acid in and then the that's rough my favorite oh moment and it kills me every time is speed

uh jeff daniels oh he walks and stops

up murder tense great um

the shooting range gun range whatever you want to call it

Nice little battle.

And then, and Big Nick's a little impressed by the shooting.

Yeah, he's cycling that weapon.

Yeah, he's kind of like likes it.

Yeah.

There's an admiration.

There's like a feeling that these guys are going to get in a shootout from the second they even acknowledge what they check each other like four or five times.

It's like he looks, he shakes his head, he looks, he shakes his head, and then Merriman just starts going crazy.

And Big Nick has a look, and he also realizes at that point how dangerous his adversary is.

Yeah.

We had the fake robbery scene, which is a nice little swerve.

The more you see this movie, the more you know where it's going.

But that does have though, we're here for the bank's money, not yours, or whatever, which is a staple of every high school.

Pico savings and loan.

My favorite savings alone on Pico.

And then Pico Peterson.

Oh, yeah.

Leading to

Donnie going in and having to steal the money.

which is one of the most tense scenes when he's trapped in the little cash thing, whatever it's called.

He gets out, they shut the cameras off.

It's like this whole like five minutes.

The guys have to sit there and pretend they're just waiting for

the stuff to come on.

Really, really good tense scene.

He delivers what, at least three or four-day-old Chinese food.

Yeah.

And one lady is fucking it up.

Yeah.

And

getting in the other lady's face, like, you too finished.

I'm like, yo, man, that beef and broccoli been up there since like

beef and broccoli can smell pretty often like in two hours in the fridge like three days in an air duct yeah

then we have the shootout and the ending is the last two rewatchable scenes i mean the last 25 minutes of this movie no i'll go you a step further from the second that big nick leaves the playground crying yeah and everybody starts putting vests on is from out it's an hour and six minutes of perfect cinema

Wow.

Because it's just, because it's like the, it's basically, it's the savings of loan robbery, the actual heist of the Fed and the shootout in the corridor.

And it takes a very long time, and it is incredible.

And then it's the coda.

Action reveal, action reveal, action reveal.

So, what do you got for most rewatchable, Benny Hanna?

Benny Hanna is my heart.

My head says the final shootout on the corridor.

It's just an

piece of filmmaking.

I got a scene that you didn't mention.

The scene where he finally signs the divorce papers and he crashes there, like little date with the film.

Yeah, this is really important.

I had this in What's Age the Best?

I had it in What's Age the Best.

Any scene where you separate the sharks from the guppies,

if you heard new date, you got to go home, turn on the water, get in the shower, and just cry that you've been bitched out like that.

Like, he walks in, he's eating off the man.

He's eating his lamb chops.

He drinking his drinks.

He's talking like that.

It's also perfect because both those guys are wearing like, I golfed earlier.

Shame to see.

Yeah.

The one dude is just like, ah, Nick, I was going to call you.

I was going to see if you wanted to to get dinner.

And it's like, bullshit.

Right.

And Nick just sits down in there.

I own this.

I own everything.

And he says, call the fucking cops.

Call cops.

I am the cops.

Yeah.

This is helpless.

I feel so bad for the dude.

At the same time, I was like, fuck him.

I think if he wants to pursue a relationship with the lady, at some point, he's got to like stand up and make it seem like.

She's on hinge.

It's over.

Yeah, like there's no way you can run.

She was talking to her girls.

Look, I thought he was so great.

He had all of his stuff together.

She didn't even stand up.

And then fucking nick walked in and just made him look like a goddamn gimp

yeah stun

um what's the most 2018 thing about this movie i i would say i would say either the smoking in the bars in la which i think now they would just come in and taser you i think in 20 i assure you in 2018 they were that they were not i mean i feel like this is the last vestiges of it but i to me it really is like the showtime bump that this

like when it goes on the cable secondary life thing, yeah.

The secondary life, where if this had just been like carry-on on Netflix, it just comes on.

I don't know if it hits the same way.

I think just the fact that you could jump into the different parts of it, I thought really helped it grow.

I thought the most 2018 thing was that there were strippers, but no BBLs.

If you go into that strip club now, it's gonna be some jiggle in that bitch.

That's probably right.

That's how it's mine.

Can he steal yours, CR?

You don't have to come up with another one.

We'll just keep going.

What stage is the best?

So the Donnie twist, once you've seen this movie a couple of times,

knowing what he's up to the whole time makes this a really fun movie.

And the crucial part is there's whenever it happens, like midway through the movie, when Merriman knows after Benny Hanna, and they're like, okay, Donnie's compromised.

Part of you is the first time through, like.

Okay, you guys are the hitters.

Like, cut him loose.

Like, what do you need the driver for?

You can get another driver.

But when you go back knowing the entire plan was Donnie's, that's why Merriman was compromising and being like, all right, I guess I'm going to keep this guy around because he is the key to the castle.

If you first watch the movie, you think he's like, that's real, you think he's dead, right?

Because why would they fuck around like that?

But then you get to the end.

Yeah.

Well, tied into that, the art of bartending, his age is the best.

I love this quote.

Lots of reps.

I'm in complete control of my environment.

People don't even know.

So he says that, and it's a good foreshadowing for what he's up to, but also like, shout out to the bartenders, man.

Yeah, always never miss a trick.

Always know what's going on in the bar and the people around.

You're always listening to conversations

as a bartender.

I heard everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I heard everything.

Filed it all away.

Okay.

What's age of best?

Suit stores?

Guys hanging out in suit stores?

Want to do that on Saturday, CR?

I just want to get myself a big duster.

Want to go try on some leather jackets?

Yeah.

Want to come?

You're invited.

All right.

Unspoken stares.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Testosterone staring.

A lot of test.

Maybe that's the most 2018 thing.

Because in 24, they would probably be looking at their phones, but here they're just still

looking at each other.

I like the, there's some good quotes like, come on, give me a hug.

We'll save a fortune in therapy.

There's just like some good one-liners in here.

All the UFC fighters, which now that I know UFC a lot more than I did in 2018, like there's some real dudes in this.

Yeah, Max Holloway?

Yeah, Max Holloway.

this thing's a this thing's a nice

um

you want to talk about butler's leather jackets chris

i mean

they're just a perfect accoutrement for this character they're leathery the way the character is leathery you know would you if there was the set of them the game the movie worn den of thieves one leather jackets don't get ahead of yourself on armor abelia but yeah

then i love the any movie where there's a big board with photos of the crew with titles

under boss, boss, boom, boom, and you think, and then, because it all comes back to it at the end, the fact that he had it wrong the whole way.

And then he looks.

I got to say something else, man.

We're real progressive on this.

I just got to take it here.

Brothers as masterminds, man.

Shout out, brothers.

Yeah, give it up.

Y'all know.

The rest of y'all ain't clapping.

Okay?

Brothers as masterminds.

That's how they fucked with you.

You know what I mean?

That's how they fucked with you.

Because at the end, you're thinking, oh, is it Ice Cube, son?

And Brothers as Masterminds, that really meant something to me.

Shooting range showdowns.

Yeah.

I just like them.

It's a great place for a thing because you don't know if they're just going to start shooting.

It should be the final job interview to get hired at the Ringers.

You got to go shoot with people.

Yeah, let's go shoot together.

The big board with Photos of the Crew.

Remember, Sopranos had a whole

two-episode arc where they like ended in a really big episode.

I'll never forget that scene because the instrumental was paparazzi by exhibit.

Yeah.

And they're going through and they're moving stuff around.

And it's like when they look at Uncle Jr.'s down and it's like move Junior down because they put Tony up.

Any other what's age the best CR?

Uh, yeah, I have when cops print out a bunch of shit that they could easily just look at on a computer screen

just to be able to hold it up and say, What happened to you?

I also really love opening your movie with a huge crime that you have to top heat does this dark knight does this scario and drive and the matrix when you have like a set piece at the beginning and you're like the bar is already up here yeah and then you top it it's incredible um the fbi slander is golden

It's like this movie takes it to the next level.

And Die Hard is like, oh my God, it's the fans.

We're cooler than them.

This guy is a vegan

fbi cook

who plays badminton tennis why

yeah like you know what i mean so like tennis took some shots in this movie i mean some real

think how pickleball wasn't around at this point this would have been really bad play football fbi vegan cooks play tennis yeah

any other would say it's the best i i think that

The opening text is so needlessly hard.

It's so cool.

It's up there with not to jump on Apex Mountain.

It's the opening text about bank robberies versus the in Mexico Sicario means hitman.

Those are the two greatest title cards I've ever seen.

Yeah, that one was really super fucking hard, like the Sicario joint.

I like that Star Wars scroll, though.

Yeah.

You like that shit, dude?

It's too long.

It's too long.

It's too much reading.

Too long.

You're in the theater, you're like, half asleep by the time it's sleep.

You're like, shut the fuck up.

You know what somebody who's got skills should do is redo the Star Wars scroll, but with the text from Den of Thieves.

Scrolling up across the galaxy is like the bank robbery cap of the world.

Every nine minutes, somebody gets.

It does seem like more movies should just do it.

It always works.

I'm always down for it.

The Fortune 3 Clap Award for most giftable moment.

Probably like literally any moment for Benny Hanna, I think can be cut into a two second.

What would you have, though?

I have Pablo getting up from his rice and just don't appreciate you popping off, bro.

Don't appreciate you popping off here, bro.

We got family.

Great shotgord award, most cinematic shot.

I like that final traffic shootout.

Yeah.

Really cool.

The drone shot.

Yeah, that looks great.

This is so much fun when we get to give out a category that's from the actual movie.

The Den of Thieves Benny Hanna Award for scene-stealing location.

So it's Benny Hannah.

It goes to Benny Hanna.

No,

you can't.

So we can't see yourself.

So, I mean, obviously then.

Listen, if Bill Russell had won the finals MVP after it was named after him, he gets the Bill Russell Finals MVP.

That's

really impressive.

That would have been age 82.

Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness.

Wait, can I throw out some runners-up for Dennis?

Yeah, go for it.

I would say Ziggy's Hoffbrow and the menswear store.

Oh, the donut shop.

The donut shop is one, too, for sure.

Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness is where Best Needle Drop.

Not a lot of music in this, but the music is incredible.

They're not a lot of sound.

No, but a lot of like with lyrics, but What It's Like by Everlast.

Oh, yeah.

Nice little

squeeze that one in there.

Little late 90s, baby.

They call her a killer and they call her a sinner.

Boy, he was dropping some knowledge, man.

The Big Kahoon Burger Award for best use of food and drink.

Unless you guys can top drinking milk right from the carton at six in the morning.

The donuts.

The bloody donuts.

The bloody donuts and Deb's new man's house dinner.

That's how

he eats.

Yeah.

What's that?

Oh, yeah, the skirt stay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a lot.

A lot of food.

It's a very good food or drink movie.

Okay, the Butch's Girlfriend Award for week link of the film.

I have a thought, but I don't know.

You want me to go first?

Yeah, for sure.

So there's 50 cars between the robbers trying to get away at the end and the cops.

And I just, I'm not sure the cops would just decide to turn a traffic

like standstill into an actual shootout.

Well, I had this in nitpicks.

Because I just imagine sitting in the car.

You're halfway through.

You're like, you're listening to the shooting.

You're like, I'm listening to the watch.

On the third segment about Orion.

Yeah, he's got some good point.

At one point, they actually are going down the, the, and he's like, get down, get down.

Get behind the engine block.

Y'all about to light the fucking high.

Yeah.

You see what this guy got?

That gun.

That's from Call Call of Duty.

My engine block is not going to help me.

Maybe wait to take him down.

It's a class action suit like a week later.

Were you in the traffic shootout?

Yeah.

March 29th.

What do you have for a week leak?

Anything?

No, I don't have a week link.

I have a Vincent Chase, which is offsetting.

Okay.

Woodsage the worst.

Smoking inside a bar we mentioned.

Big Nick going to see his daughter at school.

I don't know.

Yeah.

I might have just had him outside the fence crying.

but

I like the shock value of the ending as a what's age the worst because

the second, third, fourth time you see it, it's not a shock anymore.

So it's, it's not the movie's fault, but it's

in my head called the Ray Merriman cut, where you just end it when he's like, when Ray and Laveau have died, you know, like, oh, that's it.

And it's basically like this ends like heat, basically, where these guys have had this confrontation and he, you know, he's like, I didn't bring my cuffs today.

You know, it's like, that there is a way to end it that way.

But the Donnie stuff then unlocks everything that happens afterwards, you know?

So I think the eating the donuts off the ground has aged the worst.

Yeah.

Especially

because like we got Ozippic.

We don't even want them donuts no more.

Right.

Oh, yeah.

He's just taking them glutide.

Yeah.

The biggest one for me, and this isn't the movie's fault because they had a certain budget, but they film a lot of it in Atlanta.

And I think if they knew it was going to be as big of a movie as it became, I just think we're getting more actual LA in this movie than Atlanta pretending to be LA because we noticed, but the most, I would say almost everybody who sees this movie would have been.

I knew I was like, damn, LA.

And then like there's one shot outside of Nick's girl, ex-wife's house or wife's house where like there, there's no foliage and you're like, oh, yeah.

You know what's funny?

It's fall is that,

and CR can attest to this, I just realized it today.

Yeah.

Like I just realized it today.

That's a testament to it being cool.

He actually just came in and said, yo, is this a more LA movie than he?

Because

they continuously drop different LA stuff all throughout.

It's part of the DNA of the movie, but yeah, like once it's pointed out, you notice.

We have a category called the Mark Bruffalo,

Vincent Hanna, Saul Rubenek, Linda Partridge Overacting Award, which doesn't even necessarily mean overacting.

It's really for somebody who's dialing it up.

Gerard Butler not only wins this,

it's one of the reasons the movie is as much fun as it is because he's going for it the entire fucking time.

If you get to have a scene where you're wasted and a scene when you're brutally hungover like it's you're gonna win it's a triple crown and a scene where you cry yeah after you they got the whole gamut of emotions was there a better title for this movie then

i don't think so i don't think so either yeah no like robbery capital of the world like doesn't i don't know dead of thieves is sick of thieves it's gonna be interesting though when it has sequels because eventually like fast and furious became fast five fast six and then we shorthand i don't know if we're gonna be shorthanding den or thieves Thieves eight.

Thieves eight.

I think it's going to be thieves, right?

Yeah.

Three.

Oh.

The Can You Dig It Award for Most Memorable quote.

People that have things to hide never have much to say.

Good high school yearbook quote.

I have the exchange where Ray's like, I ain't cuffing up.

And Nick's like, that's okay.

I didn't bring my cuffs anyway.

Yeah.

Okay.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

How to speak a word.

If you, what do you got, CR?

If you know you're getting Den of Thieves too,

do you keep Ray alive?

Do you keep Ray alive?

Like, is Merriman so cool in this movie and such a viable character?

I know it ends the movie with such a profound, like, period at the end of the sentence, but Pablo is so good in this.

That would you be like, Nick goes to get Ray out of jail to help him catch Donnie is the second second part.

So I

maybe, probably, okay.

But I do think that there's obviously some utility in killing him because I think the statement that the movie makes,

the movie to me, the underlying theme of the movie is predator versus prey.

Right.

And the entire movie, you think that he is a predator, but he's actually just prey.

The two apex predators that were left at the end of the movie had different skill sets.

Sure.

One of them was a big, bruising physical guy, and the other one was your Lex Luther.

Sure.

And so, like, that,

the, that, and I don't know why, you know, you're giving away ideas, but that sequel that you had in mind actually would be dope.

But him going out like actual prey actually like works in the movie really well, too.

What do you think?

Ray's twin brother, Rick Merriman.

Ray was QB.

Rick was the receiver.

Rick's Lee.

Oh, Rick's leading a good normal life.

He lives in Austin.

He never got into the family business.

Yeah, I like that idea.

Sean Merriman is his actual Sean Merriman.

He played football.

Yeah.

You know, he was playing for the Chargers at this point.

They have, their dad could be played, I don't know, about Denzel bring it like, you know, they have brothers or something.

Now we cook it.

All right.

I have,

so this movie, you know, the movie reviewers, when they were doing the How It's Like Heat, there's some stuff that's the same.

Like they have, there's Bank Heist over the top cop in a bad relationship, two sides casing each other out,

the bad guys knowing they're being followed by the good guys, trying to get info on them.

Big shootouts at the beginning of the end.

Hero cop confronting his wife's new guy, downtown L.A.

The scene with the messed up hero cop trying to connect with the younger girl.

And then the black cop sidekick.

So, there's a lot of stuff in there.

I'm fine with all of it.

Guess what?

We love heat about as much as anyone.

Why can't more movies emulate heat?

Yeah, those things are.

Why is this a bad thing?

Existence.

It's like, oh my God, he's emulating Michael Jordan.

Yeah.

I mean,

yeah, it happens.

It happened in North Hollywood.

The actual fucking thing happened.

I mean, these are things that, you know, get reflected in movies because shootouts happen, things like that happen.

So casting what ifs we couldn't find anyway not really but the director is here where is he chris

maybe you could tell us later yeah was there was there a casting what if was there anybody that was supposed to be in this movie and it didn't happen

where is he

yeah that's what the internet see what this movie hasn't been out what happens with the rewatchables is the movie's out 30 years and then it's like every single ryan reynolds was going to do denethieves and then he backed out and yeah you just never know what's true or not true so this movie hasn't been long enough uh Oh, this is good.

We get to give out the Van Lathan Award.

Did this movie need more black people, Van?

I have an idea.

Could have been different.

Dinner Thieves, race war.

Did you actually have this written down?

Yeah.

All black cats.

Dinner Thieves race war.

This is what we do.

Okay.

Which is this one?

Is the fourth one or the fifth one?

You laugh about it.

Like, so

for some reason, we got all black cops,

all white heist people.

Okay.

They played high school football.

The black guys used to fuck them up.

They're mad.

They start robbing banks.

Yeah.

And now we got to get one more victory over them.

So more black people, all black casts, but den of thieves.

race war.

It has to if it happened it would have to be written exactly like that and in that voice, where like the white robbers would be like, I'm so mad we used to get our asses whipped by those black guys in football.

Let's rob things.

We're getting back at Dorsey High.

We're getting back at Crenshaw.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, we're getting back at Fairfax.

We are Notre Dame.

We are Harvard Westlake.

So, Hoosiers crossed with heat.

Hoosiers crossed crossed with heat.

Okay.

Race four, the fourth one.

Yeah, perfect.

That's that guy award.

I mean, that guy from this movie in Shot Collar, who we know is Evan Jones, but I think Chris and I are one of the only two people that know.

Yeah.

To me, he's got a win, but would you put

Don Oliveri?

Because she was,

and she's been on a bunch of people.

That's Big Nick's wife.

Yeah.

Meadow Williams is Ray's girlfriend, but he didn't know her name.

There's one guy, a Russian guy, that plays one of the truck drivers.

And I see him in stuff all the time.

That's a good that guy.

Yeah, I've seen him in a bunch of different things.

So Deion Wader's award for best heat check in the movie.

This is somebody that's in for a couple scenes, and then that's it.

I had the two ladies ordering the Chinese food.

Do you like that?

Yeah, they're only in like two scenes.

They're just bringing the heat.

She's pissed off.

She's like, go stop that guy.

I knew it was coming.

What?

No, I like him.

I like him.

Who else would you have?

No, everyone else is in it too much.

Everybody is.

It's a small cast.

It's not a lot going on.

So, no, I think, I mean, you could almost,

the FBI guy is really turning it on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The tennis guy.

Yeah.

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Recasting Couch Director City.

CR, we're obsessed with Landman right now.

What if we had Allie Larder's character from Landman as Big Dick's ex-wife?

Just going for it back.

I don't think she would have

to message as gracefully as Deb did, but yeah.

Yeah, she probably would have stabbed him.

I was thinking because we were talking earlier.

We did a quick video where we were talking about what's next for Timothy Chalamé.

And while I obviously approve of going forward with the Den of Thieves into the future, what if we did young Nick?

Oh, early

early days on the LAPD, going into LASD, like getting acquainted with the LA underworld.

A prequel.

Playing football, yeah.

I like it.

I said initially, I was trying to, when we did the first pod, I was talking about how we could have gotten like a funny character in this because it's been a pretty weighty movie.

And I was talking about it.

I laugh a lot, though.

If Dave Chappelle was Butler's sidekick, Dave Chappelle.

Chill.

Hold on, bear with me.

Hold on.

Hold on.

But with like a bunch of gun trainings?

No,

that's the thing.

He's swimming against,

you didn't know he had it in him, but he's got like the three moments where he really makes fun of Big Nick and it's funny.

But I think I was wrong with that.

I actually like, I wouldn't change.

I wouldn't change the cast is where I landed.

But I was trying to think, how do we get a funny person in this?

Who is like the...

I think Bosco could have been funnier?

Like Bosco could have been like, that's like the flea from Red Hot Chili Peppers role.

You know what I mean?

Like there's who would you put Van?

Like one person who's like three times just busted Nick's balls.

I mean

so it's interesting.

The Dave Chappelle thing, you know, Dave Chappelle is kind of slow.

Now we're back.

I mean, no, he is kind of slow.

I'm talking 2018.

Yeah, the CR is born.

You want like Shane Gillis to play Murph, right?

Like you want like

three jokes.

You almost have to be one of the cops, though.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.

Three jokes about Big Nick.

I can't give you ate that donut.

That was disgusting.

Right.

Joke.

Yeah, I get it.

I get it.

Yeah.

Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or someone else for the director's commentary.

What do you have, Sarah?

What if Doris Burke was calling the prom date intervention?

We see you, Mr.

Laveau.

For the past 16 years, you've been responsible for your daughter's safety.

Now she's going out in the world, prom night, with a gang-affiliated teenager named Ronaldo.

A huge moment in any father's life, but you've got half a dozen South Pacific Islander linemen and a cop killer named Ray Merriman by your side.

It's not a prom night, we will soon forget.

Unfortunately, now when I watch ESPN NBA, I just think of C.R.

Durandor.

She also never speaks in that much of a monologue.

It's just like, I don't know how it's gotten out of control like that.

That scene when

Donnie's in the bank room and they shut the cameras off and it's super tense there.

Tony Romo easily, I think, could have

come.

They turned the cameras off, Jim.

He's only got three minutes.

He's got to get to the bed.

I was thinking about that yesterday as he was having an orgasm about Josh Allen.

Half-asser research.

So Christian, the director that's here, he started writing this movie in 2003.

So, this is a 15-year Odyssey.

Inspiring story, Van.

You've worked on some movie projects in your life.

15 years, decade and a half.

It's a lot.

Yeah, I mean, you gotta commit.

Maybe in 2050, we'll make Den of Thieves Race Warrior.

You never know.

Yeah, it could happen.

Keep plugging away.

This movie was released in some countries with the title Criminal Squad.

Ziggy's Bar is in Atlanta.

It's called Johnny's Hideaway.

Everyone again.

Yeah.

Is Ziggy's Hoffbrow based on Sam's Hoffbrow here?

Is it an Off-Olympic somewhere?

Yeah, okay.

Thank you.

Is it?

Did you ask where Sam's Hoffbrow is?

It's Off Olympic.

I can show you.

Okay.

I've been to bars too, man.

Yeah.

Have you been to Sam's?

I've not been to Sam's.

Oh, yeah.

You want to go knock?

We can go.

We can go.

Don't fall in in love.

It's going down in that motherfucker.

So there's a military consultant who

did separate boot camps for both sides.

To train them.

I always wonder about this.

Yeah.

Particularly.

With the Taylor Sheridan stuff.

You almost wonder if Taylor Sheridan was like in the service, like how the vernacular, he was not, how the vernacular comes out.

But in this one, there's a lot of tactical stuff, and I always wonder.

In the closing credits, the $100 bill has the serial number D-O-T-0000-2018 for Den of Thieves.

Gotta really catch that.

Takes some time.

All right, Apex Mountain.

Gerard Butler.

I think you could make the argument that this is the second phase of his career, the fallen movies.

But I think

300 is the first peak.

Yeah, who's where more conversations now?

300 or Den of Thieves?

Well, Den of Thieves in our bubble.

Longer tail.

I think Den of Thieves now.

300 probably played more at sporting events.

It's yeah, 300.

It's probably, it's probably 300, but

he's more this guy now.

Yeah.

So

it's an interesting one.

I think it's become this.

Pablo Schreiber.

It's this or the wire?

Yeah, this or the wire, yeah.

I think it's this.

Suit stores?

Suit stores in a movie?

Like in films or in general?

All suit stores ever.

This is a very specific kind of suit store where you can get a suit and a leather duster and cowboy.

Yes.

It's a three-for-three suit store, for sure.

Three-for-three suits are great.

The Federal Reserve Bank in Los Angeles didn't even know it was a thing.

So yeah.

Yeah, the Fed.

Never been to take it down.

Also, it could be Apex Mountain of things being described like Fort Knox.

Long Beach Poly versus South Torrance.

I'm going to say this was the fucking Apex.

It's certainly the apex for South Torrance because otherwise it's Chad Morton.

Shooting Rangers in a movie.

I still got a Beverly Hills cop too.

Beverly Hills Cop 2.

Really important.

Beverly Hills 2 Club.

Bigger for the plot.

Yeah.

Benny Hanna?

It's exactly Benny Hanna, which is unclear still.

Christian, was it a Benny Hanna?

Well, we didn't hear the name.

There you go.

That counts.

We're counting.

This is invaluable, by the way.

We could have just been doing this for two hours.

Accidental texts to a stripper that go to your wife in a movie?

In a movie?

Yes.

In life, neither.

In life, that would be Tiger Woods.

What's the text?

It's like, you're such a bad bitch.

What?

Is he here?

Thank you.

No, the text was...

Nah, I can't fuck over him like that, man.

Heat homage, second generation heat movies.

It's basically this versus the town versus Triple Frontier.

Triple Frontier is a war movie, though, right?

Yeah, Triple Frontier is.

Yeah, but it's still a heist.

I mean, it's a heist, but the town is the same vibe.

The town is much more on the nose as far as that type of thing that you're talking about.

Okay.

Oh,

widows.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

That's a really good one.

Sexism stopped us from bringing it up.

Tacking up for a street gunfight after a heist.

Yeah, this is about his armor scene, putting on bulletproof vests.

yeah

o'shea jackson jr

you got so you got this you got shredded compton shredded compton and you also have i think he's danny now i think he's done i think it's i think it's i think it's actually gonna be the sequel oh the sequel is gonna be good i think that's gonna be

i dm'd him and let him know we were doing this like yeah man Hell yeah.

Is that how he sounded?

He's a nice guy.

He's a nice, basically guy.

we're like hey man i got this script idea called race war race war

think about it it's about these white football players

yeah bad things happening at a donut store in a movie i'm still going boogie nights yeah oh boogie nights for sure yeah yeah even though that did lead to buck being able to open his own stereo the question is is it the same donut shop i guess not because that's in the valley and this is drinking milk right from the carton probably anchorman anchorman is up there yeah it was a terrible choice and then uh angel city donuts yes i think this was apex mountain for wherever that was all right uh next category is cruiser hanks i got hanks' big dick

really make the case let's hear it

i feel like hanks post saving private ryan could do it

i think he's got it I think he spent some time with Sizemore.

He's got, he knows about eight nights.

And

coming out of Saving Private ride we could have seen it bro are you trying to tell me tom cruise could have been anywhere in the space wait a minute i want everybody to close your eyes and think about tom hayes walking into that fucking dinner and stealing the meat off

yeah tom hanks saying

the food sucks we come here for the ass

but Tom Cruise saying it would be just as crazy.

We come here for the ass!

I actually thought cruise because it would have been the cruise that I like where he just tries to

become this alternate crazy like collateral

yeah

cruise just saying fuck it

well he'd be medium nick

yeah I guess cruise maybe can you imagine cruise

Pablo Shriver well I think we have to get rid of Pablo of Cruz gonna look like a make-a-wish outing

It's what they're about to go.

Big Brothers on L.A.

It's like, it will look nasty, brother.

I think if Cruz is in, Pablo is probably not in the movie.

We're probably recasting.

We got to get a shorter.

Yeah, it's a shorter cast.

It's like more of like a slot receiver, guys.

Yeah.

So you think Hanks, after trying to be like America's uncle's America's uncle,

I'll tell you it's Hanks.

You're the tiebreaker.

So it would have to be Hanks.

Okay.

It would have to be Hanks.

I I think you're right.

I just wanted to see Cruz

trying to play Big Dick.

Cruise has played more roles like this before.

Yeah, he's like, he's in collateral.

He's done shit like this.

Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy team name.

I'll give you Angel City Donuts or Ziggy's Hoffbrow.

I like calling a horse Long Beach Polly.

Oh, nice.

Long Beach Polly is good.

All right, picking it.

Scottish Gerard Butler as a South Torrance football star.

Go.

Bro, you can't tell me he don't have that whole Bill Romanowski thing.

No, he does.

It's just he's Scottish.

Yeah.

But he had it pretty well, but I just have the background of knowing.

So, Hawthorne to Wilmington, 14-mile ride.

Just going to flag that, just having lived in L.A.

for the last 22 years.

Like, 14 miles is a long way.

That's the

collateral rule of L.A.

traffic.

Yeah, there's some maps up.

There's more later.

Should Donnie Donnie have immediately asked for an attorney when he woke up in a hotel room with P.L.

of Robsoff?

Well, I think...

Like, I would have.

Did you get the impression that LACP would be like, oh, did you have my presentation?

He currently tells him, I'm in the gang.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm a copy.

Before he does that, maybe I'd like to talk to an attorney.

Bro, I watch interrogation videos.

They don't be asking for attorneys, man.

So, fans got to explain this to the audience.

What?

Interrogation.

Do you guys know what interrogation videos are?

Y'all watch the interrogation interrogation videos.

Where are you watching this?

I'm watching them on YouTube.

Okay.

Red Tree Crimes, Explore With Us, all kinds of stuff.

Cops sit down and they go, Hey, listen, we know you're not a bad person.

We know you killed your entire family.

We just want to know why.

And the entire time, the person, you're like, ask for the lawyer, ask for the lawyer, ask for the lawyer, ask for the lawyer.

By the end of it, they eating Popeyes and doing 150 years.

That's right, that's right.

I would ask for an attorney if I was Donnie.

We covered why does Merriman know this much about the Bank of Banks?

I don't know how he gets that information in 2018.

What do you have?

I have some more.

It takes me like 10 minutes, and I have to go outside and wait for Uber Eats to drop off my lunch at Spotify, but the Chinese food delivery guy can get inside of the Fed and like wander around the cafeteria

with two bags.

Yeah, it just seems like they could add a tighter Chinese food delivery protocol at the Fed.

yeah, maybe just drop it off at the front desk.

Yeah, just be like, hey, your food's here, you can come down and get it.

So, this is maybe the biggest knit I've ever picked in any movie ever.

Okay, he's sitting there,

and

Big Nick looks at him, he looks at Donnie, and he says, You got a small pecker for a black guy.

And Donnie says, Nothing.

Donnie, Donnie doesn't say, You ain't seen it when when,

because I'm a grower,

you can go ask these chicks for where I'm from, and they'll straight tell you, that's bullshit.

It's women in the room, it's other dudes in the room, and he just accepts that.

No.

I'm going to tell, nah, you don't even know what average is.

That's not for real.

You talking to somebody else.

Obviously, I peed on myself, so my shit was like...

It's a side effect of being tased.

Yeah.

Like, I was tased.

I'm nervous.

You can't make that by that.

No, let's talk about the heist.

Nah, before we talk about the heist, let's deal with this issue of you saying

good nitpick, man.

Yeah,

so Donnie bags up all the hundred-dollar bills that are being shredded, and he's got, I don't know how many bags.

Based on the weight of $100 bills,

$1 million would weigh 22 pounds.

Okay.

So 30 million in $100 bills weighs 661.5 pounds, according to the internet.

Yeah.

Do you think he dumped 661.5 pounds over that thing in two minutes?

I mean, you'd probably be like, this is for all the marketing.

And those bags were tiny.

Yeah.

It's a nitpick.

I mean, I've seen this movie 17 times.

We should have brought 600 pounds out here and seen it.

I should have been a good good

taster now.

600 pounds of what?

Oh, yeah, Bill could swing that.

So, Donnie,

because he has access to the people that go in and out of the bank, then he writes down the entire ventilation system on a bunch of napkins.

I just want to talk it out.

So, so this is what I'm

so every once in a while,

the movie, you have to suspend.

The movie doesn't work unless he's like a super genius, right?

So, the movie that has to.

Well, I think you're supposed to imagine that, like, the little bits you're seeing multiply it by a thousand.

He's been at the bar for however long, hearing these people come in, they leave their ID cards there, they're talking about the new woman at the cafeteria, whatever.

And then he's been accumulating this knowledge over the course of this period.

Okay.

And then at some point, he had so much information, he goes, I could, this could be actionable in some kind of way.

How many days was the Chinese food order up above the bathroom?

And there's probably an answer to that.

I don't know.

Like it's at least five.

So if you have Chinese food in the fridge for five days, it's risky.

Yeah.

I'm trying to think what could have been eaten by either of those ladies over the court that could aid.

Does the Chinese food exist?

She was

cold?

Yeah, it was cold.

But remember, I'm saying initially cold, like a cold low main, something like that.

Oh, you're talking about like what they actually order.

Oh, yeah, what was the order that they were like, that's cool.

This tastes normal.

Because if it's like just beef with broccoli,

that thing's like moving

Thursday.

But also, it was like, it was so late they could have been like, oh, my God, it's just not hot anymore.

Hungry as fuck.

One of those things smelled really bad.

I'm guessing.

So Merriman sprinting.

Yeah.

Wasn't impressed.

Guy was supposed to be like this kick-ass football player.

I didn't like how he ran.

I don't know whether, like, some bad things.

Do you mean like in the Miles Turner way where you're like, I don't like how he runs?

Didn't feel athletic enough to me.

Combine, I'm crossing him off my list.

He didn't go pro, right?

Yeah, he's a high school player.

Just jumped out to me.

Looks like what if he got his knee blown out?

Maybe you know what?

We're making excuses for him.

He looks slow.

Well, I'm not making any excuses for him.

I'm saying, respect him, man.

This man might have got some shrapnel in Baghdad or Fallujah or something.

I'm right here.

Jesus.

Something,

man.

It's like, be itself like the military.

Well, the body armor is probably heavy, too.

I don't know.

I just, I thought, I wasn't impressed with Pablo.

In terms of jogging with full capital.

Yeah, didn't love it.

Yeah.

CR, you did this when you initially wrote about this movie for The Ringer.

You mapped out going from Montebello to the Federal Reserve, Los Angeles Branch, all the way down to Alameda Street.

Yeah, Alameda Corridor.

It's a long time

and it could explain why they were in traffic and ended up getting caught they put so much time and energy and thought into how to break into this bank they never factored in the traffic part well they they never factored the right lane being closed and honestly that's the most quintessentially la thing that happens in this tv that's just like i had plenty of time and now i'm 40 minutes late because they closed the right lane Also, they thought they would be clean.

They thought they would be undetected.

They thought their plan was going to be sound.

And so they didn't know that they were up against super cop linebacker big nick big nick caught him any other nitpicks uh the only other one that i had was

merriman is super

offended by like big nick's behavior but i would not describe merriman as like really putting an emphasis on his family you know because he does

basically make his girlfriend sleep with big nick to throw like a put him on a wild goose chase so practice what you preach right yeah That's all I'm saying.

Fair.

Yeah.

That's fair.

That's fair.

I can go along with that.

Sequel, prequel, prestige, TVL, Blackcaster, Untouchable.

Next category, we were getting a sequel.

But I would take a prequel.

I'd take a prequel and a sequel.

Yeah.

A prequel would be a great way to bring Manman's character back.

Yeah, but you have to shrink them a little bit, you know?

Give them some allergies.

Next category is, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Sam Jackson?

No.

Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Long Legs, or Philip Baker Hall.

Do we add Big Nick to this category going forward?

What movies we get?

Right?

Should we get Philip Baker Hall out and Big Nick in?

I'm happy to do that.

Okay.

All right.

What movie would Big Nick not make better?

Like rom-coms he'd make better, horror films?

Just be coming into a house where there's like an exorcism.

Diver was friends with Big Nick in the arch during

just got a dumper, brother.

If Big Nick was friends with MLK and Selma,

hey, gotta get across the fucking end of Pittsburgh Bridge.

Let me tell you something, brother.

Yeah, I'm in.

So we'll add Big Nick.

Okay.

I was thinking about what would happen if Wayne Jenkins was Big Nick's divorce attorney.

Oh, God.

God damn, Big Nick.

I didn't know I was watching Kramer versus Kramer.

Don't you know about having a birder phone for strippers?

I hope you had a prenup.

You better get a mediator in here, Big Dog, or you're going to be paying alimony a whole

time.

Wayne.

He's back.

Just want to ask her who gets it.

Should we just say Christian?

Because he's here?

I would say.

You know what's funny?

Like, not to dick rock, but

I would say script, though.

I would say script.

Christian still wins.

Yeah, I'm saying script.

Yeah, you wrote.

I would say script.

It's an inventive script.

If I was was going to go with anybody but Christian,

I honestly would go Pablo.

I had him.

I had him really good.

Yeah.

Probably unanswerable questions.

Best and worst job for the people driving the armored truck.

Worst job is sitting in the back.

Yes.

Inside.

Because that guy always gets blown up if anything bad happens.

I would be like, we're fucking drawing straws to see who's sitting.

I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to know

what's a medium bad day for an armored truck guy.

Like, don't have a bad day is nothing happened, right?

Bad day is Den of Thieves happen or heat happens or whatever.

What's like that we're just going over a lot of potholes, yeah, or the bank was slow getting us out of there, or whatever.

Like, what's happening?

Didn't get home in time for the football game because there was a lane closed.

Movies like this make me wonder, like, what kind of people are the armored car people?

Yeah, because you know,

if I'm driving the car and the the guy goes, we got armor-piercing glitches and we about to fuck y'all up if you don't give me the money, I'm like, yo.

Take it.

Hey, bro.

You can add a money.

I'm going to go in that donut shop.

I don't know what you want.

You want some?

When I come back,

you want me to use?

I can throw them out there.

But it's the armored car.

In all of these movies, the armored car guys always.

It's like, I'm going to die doing what I love.

Yeah.

Protecting money and stuff.

I'm not saying that's whack.

I'm just saying, yo, who the fuck are these guys that they get?

You know what I'm saying?

What other unanswerables?

I wanted to know if Ray Merriman was a tribute to Sean Merriman as a football player.

And

how would Van talk his way out of sending that text?

Oh, what?

How would you have talked your way out of sending that text?

Your big neck at six in the morning.

Oh, oh, oh, shit.

Okay.

Well, look.

Let me see that.

Oh, that wasn't me.

So, look, let me tell what happened.

So my homeboy, his phone, we was all in.

I was there.

I'm not going to lie.

I spent a lot of money.

Okay.

You probably shouldn't look at the bank statements for a little while, baby.

I spent a lot of money.

But my phone died.

And I'm leaving.

And I'm, my man,

or excuse me, his phone died.

I apologize.

Barracho's phone.

His phone died.

And he wanted to hook something up.

You know, he's, you know, he had just got divorced or whatever.

He's trying to see what's up.

So I gave him my phone and he was texting.

I know you're not stupid enough to think that I would text you.

How could you think that?

How could you think that I would text that?

As a matter of fact, stop accusing me.

Yeah.

Because

I've been at work and I asked for one night a month to go out with my boys.

I'm trying to do this nigga a solid.

And all of a sudden, you getting at me.

I don't want to hear this no more.

Give me the keys.

Give me the keys.

Gas lit.

It would be really funny if you went home and you were just like, oh, Chris Ryan borrowed my phone.

That would be so funny.

Yeah, CR.

When Donnie meets Merriman, that scene when he goes over and they're all like grimly eating barbecue outside, it looks like the Boogie Knights house.

Did you notice that?

Oh, yeah, outside when they're, I mean, yeah,

slightly bigger, but it gives you the same kind of thing.

It feels more like South Bay adjacent to me than the valley, but yeah, because there's the pool when they show the back, it's on the left.

But uh, I researched this, and all of this movie was filmed in Atlanta, basically, so it was not the boogie night's house.

You know, who we haven't talked about in the movie almost at all?

50 of all the roles that 50 has been in, 50 is, he fits like a glove into this movie.

Yeah.

You could actually make the argument that he should have lived because 50 then in Den of Thieves 2 is like a huge thing, right?

After power and everything.

Like, he, like, normally when you see 50 on screen, he's such a gigantic personality and a gigantic figure that you go, that's 50 Cent.

But in this rule, in this role, he's muted.

He plays off of Pablo's character really well.

He's really, really good at this.

I didn't didn't put him in Apex Mountain because it's,

we know it is Apex Mountain.

Get Richard Die Trying Album.

Yeah, that year when his album broke was his Apex Mountain.

Biggest rapper in the world.

But this was, I think, the best movie that he's been.

This is probably his movie Apex.

Yeah.

This is, I would definitely say this is his movie Apex.

Best double feature choice.

What would you go with CR?

I mean, Den of Thieves 2, Pantera.

Yeah.

There you go.

Yeah.

Deliver for client.

The Indian Red Zawati Nay Award, what happened the next day?

Den of Thieves 2.

Pantera.

Yeah.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie that's not the Chinese food that's stuck in the bathroom?

Oh, man, I get enamored with all the hardware that's always in these movies, but I'm not going to pick that.

Oh, see, I had that.

I had Pablo's vest in this movie.

I always loved the movie.

So many bullet spots.

Yeah.

It's like 2,000 bullets.

Yeah, but it'd probably be one of the donuts with a little bit of blood on it.

Stunt donut?

What do you have to?

Either the donuts or Donnie's Transam or whatever he was driving when he's like, hey, drive.

Yeah.

The Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lesson.

Never underestimate a bartender.

Yeah.

Never.

That's definitely what I left the film thinking about.

Or

if you're going to

pull off a heist, maybe try to figure out a better traffic situation.

If you're going to spend

10 weeks casing a bank, maybe try to figure out how you're getting alameda i have one question i want to ask before we just compare some stuff just real quick let's say you have one job you have to pull and the job is robbing a large bank in miami right whose crew are you gonna want to rob this bank you're gonna oh from movie crews movie crews danny ocean's crew no too soft neil's crew

neil's crew or merriment's crew

Neil's crew.

You think Neil's crew?

Yeah.

I feel like.

Do I get Dennis Haysbird and Neil's crew?

I think that online gambling was probably not kind to Chris Schaherless.

And by the time you get to our contemporary moment, he is really distracted.

Right.

That's he, too.

Yeah.

It's like him just being crippled by like, I got to get my bets in.

He's doing a Monday Night Project.

I would go Merriman's crew.

There you go.

Interesting.

Merriman's crew has more size.

Yeah.

Because Ray's probably, what, five inches taller than anyone?

He's five inches on size more.

Yeah, yeah.

I think if the bank, I think because the bank is in Miami, I'm going with Merriman's crew.

I mean, obviously the correct answer is the town because you get Jim, who's fucking taking all these guys.

Five, eight, pit bull.

Those guys get killed on the second robbery, though.

Who won the movie?

Christian.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

He took him.

Because he's here.

Shepherded it.

No, he shepherded it from like the early 2000s up to the screen.

Yeah,

15 years of working on a movie, then all of a sudden it leads to this all these years later.

Can I give you the rewatchables?

Yeah.

I bet that it's used too, not the rewatchables.

Can I give it a shadow?

Is there going to be a cop-out?

Is it possible that in this instance, the movie won the movie?

And let me tell you why I say that.

It's because

Very rarely is a film thought about so highly by everyone that's seen it.

and for some reason it was unexpected to people like how much they enjoyed it like everybody that talks about it talks about uh like you know people that said it wasn't great don't know what they're talking about and the movie itself it was able to maintain that kinetic energy and everybody's interest enough to like have a sequel that people are really go out to see so in this case maybe the movie won the movie

That's interesting because it so rarely happens that they make a movie that has expectations for just, I hope this movie does okay in the theaters.

I'm going to try this in three weeks where I do the movie, won the movie, and he's going to be like, you can't do that.

I would say either Christian or Pablo Schreiber because this is one of those movies that makes you wonder, like, man, should

there have been more stuff for him?

Like, was there,

you know, could there have been an action franchise for him?

Or I don't know.

And he's had a really good career done a bunch of things, but could there have been like a signature hook franchise action thing?

Yeah, I think Halo.

It could have been Jack Reacher.

The Halo thing was a gigantic thing.

Oh, that's in the nerdverse, though, right?

Well, it was on Paramount Plus.

That's like your people watch that.

The nerds.

My ringer verse.

The ringer versus.

Yeah, clean it up.

I said the nerds.

Yeah.

Clean it up, Marky Mark.

I said the nerds.

How dare you?

No, but that's in the Ringerverse universe.

The Ringiverse, yeah.

But to your point, that was his big deal.

Mallory Rubin Award.

I would think it does, honestly.

It does not need a better sex scene in this movie.

Yeah.

Did you really want to see Big Nick going at it with the stripper?

Raised girl?

No,

I think this movie has the right amount of sex.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

We're going to wrap it up.

Thank you to Lionsgate.

And check out Den of Thieves 2, Pantera.

All right, that's it for the Den of Thieves re-rewatchables.

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