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Yes.

Are movies still coming out?

Hell yeah.

Like what?

Gladiator 2.

When's that coming out?

November 22nd.

Who's in that?

We got Paul Meskel and Denzel Washington yeah I like Denzel I've heard of him we got a CR and I saw Gladiator too yeah yeah I never get invited to the screen it's always you guys because you keep shitting on movies well I would have gone to see gladiator too I like gladiator

for the they did a Q ⁇ A afterwards we got to see Denzel in full full flesh I first of all I don't shit on movies nobody is more likely and a better candidate to spend 25 bucks on a new Amazon movie.

Why does it.

So it's $20 to rent on Amazon and then $25 to buy.

Why can't you rent it for $20?

And then if you're like, I really like that, for an extra $5, you can buy it.

Like, God forbid, Amazon.

They have a trillion dollars.

You should have saved that for hottest take.

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It's like for a hot take.

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I actually wish I had bought that.

Yeah.

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How about this?

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You got to get up.

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I'm watching it.

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What's going on?

I am.

I got my Yankees podcast.

We're

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We're going to go through all 14 pitches of that Soto at bat.

Pitch three, change up.

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Watch.

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He's nodding here.

My name is Bill Simmons.

This is the rewatchables.

It's scary, but

I think Coleman's bill is still here.

Chuck House is the only one with a higher approval ready.

We're about to do Hereditary, which is not a comedy.

Classically watchable, though.

Yeah.

Sorry about your grandma.

You know you were her favorite.

Who's gonna take care of me when you die?

She isn't gone.

You know you were her favorite.

I swear I can feel that.

In the room.

You know you were her favorite, right?

Something is happening.

I think my mother put a curse on us.

Mom, I need to call the police.

The police can't help us.

Mom?

You know you were her favorite, Frank.

Hereditary in theaters this Friday.

All right, guys, Hereditary, a movie that came out when we had the ringer.

That's right.

Yeah.

No, Roger Ebert.

He's sadly a few years gone.

Sean Fantasy was...

I was writing about movies.

I was writing about the movie.

Writing about movies.

We had the big picture podcast.

I had the director of this movie on the show.

Was that episode only like 31 minutes ago?

It was, yeah, I think it was like 20 minutes.

I went back and looked at that.

that's what we were still trying to figure out what that pod was.

I was like, is it interviews?

It took a while.

It was almost entirely interviews at that point.

But that actually plays an interesting role, I think, in what this movie is responsible for and what it represents from that period of time.

Just go cook.

I mean, this is the first time.

Put on your apron.

We'll just sit here at the counter.

Thank you.

I appreciate you setting me up.

It's the first A24 movie we've ever done on the show.

I think that represents something kind of meaningful and a shift in this.

You know, this is one of the last of the first 10 A24 movies that I think sets off like a chain of events in movie culture as like the big studios are starting to get less powerful and more relying on franchises and smaller stuff like this can break through.

And a better ecosystem for the Red Pie

ecosystem by the end of 2010s is starting to come into place.

Yeah.

And I think some of the streaming stuff and rental stuff that you were talking about before.

applies to movies like this where like we're building this is kind of a new canon movie this is a this is one of the major new scary movies of the last 20 years and a new voice in a feature debut in ari and so like when we were starting to do the big picture i was like those are the people i really wanted to talk to i either wanted to talk to like the 75 year old guys yeah or the 32 year old people

trader the palma well eastwood was probably 75 when you started the big picture right he was 75 the day i was born so um he's doing great he's still still going uh but yeah this is a this is a big deal i think in recent movie history yeah is this the witch it comes at night right that was also an an 824 movie i mean i made but we also had the halloween remack come remake coming this year too it felt like people had figured out some new 5.0 version of horror movies and they were either going to be like these 824 type movies or reboots of franchise done actually correctly yeah well we all movies we like blumhouse was doing kind of low budget exploiting the margins of like we'll get a baseline of horror fans coming in if we make this movie for like three four five million dollars and then it makes 20 30 40 that's great for us that's great for the filmmaker skilled sports movie model.

Yeah, but it was like those, those budgets were pretty low.

And I think this marks

an explosion of, for lack of a better term, prestige horror.

You know, refined horror,

trauma horror, you know, and I think that it's been often copied but never duplicated.

Trauma horror.

Yeah.

I had six types of horror movies I was going to run by you guys.

Maybe, maybe I don't, maybe there's more types.

First type is the grizzly horror movie.

That's like Saw.

Oh, yeah.

Rob Zombies, Halloween,

torture porn.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Grizzly.

Just

like we need to take a shit.

I don't really like those movies, just FYI.

I think that's, there's a certain audience for that, and I'm not sure I'm the audience.

I like the ones, like the really fucked up Italian ones from the 70s and 80s.

I don't really like the ones from the 2010s as much.

Yeah, it's something felt.

Just kind of off, like a little sadistic.

That's one.

Normal, Scary.

So that's Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Halloween, it follows Blair Witch, paranormal activity, like those just traditional.

I know that's a horror movie,

Popcorn Scary,

like I know what you did last summer,

scream two, right?

More targeted like teenagers, teenagers, something, babysitters in peril, but it's like, oh, that's that actor from Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and we go that direction.

So that's three versions,

and then three versions of Creepy.

Safe, Creepy,

what's this?

What lies beneath?

Oh, yeah.

Every M.

Night Shyamalon movie.

Okay.

It's creepy, but it's okay creepy.

It's like I could go on a...

PG-13 creepy.

Yeah, I could watch with my eighth-grade daughter creepy.

Like thrillers with a supernatural element.

Yeah.

It's like that movie Trap with Josh Hart.

It's like, oh, it's kind of creepy, but I could watch this with both of my kids.

Artsy Fartsy Creepy.

A Sean Fantasy favorite.

Yeah, sure.

Yes.

This one's

Midsummer is the ultimate of that, where you're just like, what just happened?

And was I smart enough to watch that?

Strange Darling was like that.

Yes.

Just ends with a five-minute long shot of a character.

Yeah.

And it's like, whoa, we're ending it this way.

Okay.

Guys going for it.

I enjoyed that.

Yeah, it was good.

And then full-fledged creepy, which is the shining seven.

And I think hereditary.

I don't know hereditary.

It's supposed to be artsy fartsy.

Creepy.

I think it's just outright creepy.

But that's more of a subjective decision, the last one.

The last one is sort of like, if the movie is good enough that it elevates itself into that category, as opposed to like the story type or the style, right?

So, this is my question.

So, I think you understand the categories.

If you were making a movie, which category would you want to be in?

Oh, that's a great question.

Because I think, I think Creepy is the highest level horror movie.

Like the last one.

Like, if you can pull out, yeah, if you can pull out

the reverse of the shining, where it's like, this is a long story.

It's a long play.

I'm going to pull people into this.

And then when something scary happens, it's going to be fucking earned.

I know Sean's artsy fartsy.

I think I would probably.

Sounds like Midsummer's awesome.

Yeah, I would love to be in the last category.

Obviously, if you were making a horror movie, you'd want to be making The Shining or The Exorcist.

I feel the same way.

If you had to choose only of the first five.

I'd probably watch Normal Creepy the most, the Texas Chainsaw Master.

I watch all five of those.

I just don't watch the torture porn.

Yeah, I watch all of them.

I tend to like all of them.

I don't, the artsy fartsy thing, like, I don't know.

I don't know if you can try to do that.

Like, I think a lot of what's happened in the last 10 years is marketing.

Like, that's kind of what we're reacting to is like the way that a movie is framed as prestigious as opposed to actually being prestigious.

You know, most horror movies are not by their nature.

There's nothing really prestigious about Hereditary.

It's incredibly fucked up.

There's multiple decapitations in this movie.

Let me piggyback off what you're saying, though, because there's something to the way that Hereditary works.

Where if you watch the first two-thirds of the movie, it's not that much different than Ice Storm.

It's not that much different than ordinary people.

I disagree.

Go ahead.

Okay.

I like this.

You could do a family drama version of Hereditary that does not have payment, that does not have possession, that does not have cult, you know, anything.

And it would still be really sad and a little bit unnerving.

I wonder whether what we're seeing with the artsy fartsy stuff or however you want to phrase it, but I would go as far as to say the shining, you could say Exorcist.

Would you put silence in there?

Silence on the lamps?

We disagree about whether that's a horror movie, but let's

just for the sake of conversation.

Is that

they are made with the intention of making a drama or making a, you know, like just a tense film that horror merges out of.

Whereas a couple of the other categories he's talking about, Scream, Texas, I would guess, I guess I would put in there, are horror movies from their conception.

Like the idea is within the first 20 minutes, these people are going to be put in this, you know, genre kind of situation.

Now, what were you going to disagree about with there?

I think think it's a little overstated how much that Hereditary is a drama.

You know,

in its very nature, it's a movie about a satanic cult with multiple decapitations.

Like it is pure visceral horror.

It is, frankly, much more horrifying than like...

insidious movies you know like

it has a lot more like hardcore gore yeah and a lot more supernatural elements than a lot of those films so i again i think it's kind of marketing like i think 824 was very smart to apply a lot of this sensation of like, this is deeper than your typical horror.

Now, you, I could read into it because I think Ari Astor is a really good writer and I think his writing elevates the story, but that's like the phrase that got used around this movie was elevated horror.

I think it's kind of phony.

I think none of that really applies.

If this became a Blumhouse movie, it might look a little bit different.

It might sound a little bit different.

But you could see Blumhouse making a movie about a family that becomes consumed by a cult and has

a telephone pole.

It might.

It might.

So I think I'm a little bit skeptical of like the artsy framework for some of this stuff because

Midsummer is the same thing.

It's just like it's a sunshine horror.

There's a lot of sunshine horror movies over the years, but it's like the things that happen in that movie, people are like lit on fire.

They fall off of cliffs and smash their heads open.

Like these are gnarly horror movies.

Midsummer is a I watched it once movie for me.

I watched it again after I watched Hereditary last.

Did you really?

Well, I said the first thing you received.

Jets Mets Hereditary.

Yeah, that was Jets Mets related, it feels like.

It's like, what's next for me?

Yeah.

I had a really hard night.

It's a Swedish vacation.

Sweden, right?

Sweden, yeah.

Yeah, those Swedes.

You know, and a lot of the writing about this movie,

going back because this was,

you know, they, as you said, they shrewdly marketed it.

And one of the things was about

the family dynamics of trauma and grief and relationships and movies that got thrown around that allegedly inspired the director, Carrie, the cook, the thief, his wife and her lover, the ice storm, ordinary people, don't look now.

Yeah.

On Tubi, by the way.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Donald Southern.

Julie Kirstie.

Yeah.

But

I don't know.

I think it's a horror movie.

I know they rooted in this whole family thing, but it's pretty fucked up from the get-go.

And you knew something's wrong with the little girl.

And it's plus Gabriel Burns in it.

When is he fucking normal ever?

You see him

except, oh, oh, it's Beverly Hills Cop Four.

With oh, and there's Gabriel Byrne, he's the wise cracking sheriff.

Gabriel Byrne ever shows up, and I'm like, oh, well, this is gonna be a lot of fun.

That's a gentle drama.

Yeah, can you imagine being married to that dude?

You think that he's the pizza slate from Postmates?

You just grim look on his face.

No, I just see him.

He was married to Peak Ellen Barkin, though, wasn't he?

He was.

He's just inherently creepy.

He was.

She's where does she?

Peak Ellen Barkin is about as...

Is she at the top of the list?

Like, see, love, Ellen Barkin?

Yeah.

See,

maybe that's why Gabriel Byrne doesn't have a sense of humor is because he saw Sea of Love.

What the fuck is that?

Where's El Pacito got you against the wall?

Why do you keep saying, what are you looking for, Frank?

Is

angry Gabriel Byrne just angry Bono?

He's like really close.

Basically.

Maybe you got to answer for that, Mr.

President.

Excuse me, Mr.

President.

Why has Al Pacito got my wife against the wall?

Should Gabriel Byrne be added to the list?

Gabriel Byrd beyond the mission.

We should put him in the Wayne Jenkins category.

Yeah, he's creepy.

You see him and you're like, all right.

That's really good.

This movie's going to get weird.

So the director.

Aster, he had a 75-page shot list.

This was his first major movie.

He had got hired for some short films and stuff and just seems like an actual, in a positive way, psychopath when he makes a movie.

He sketches everything out.

Meticulous.

This is your guy.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, this is one of your guys.

Yeah, I've interviewed him for every movie on the show.

I think he's a genius.

And he's not that old, right?

What is he?

Like mid-30s?

Mid-30s?

Is he funnier than Gabriel Byrne, you think?

I wouldn't say Ari is a laugh riot in general as a person, but he's super smart.

is, he does do the things that you're describing that he, I think, used in some of the promotion around the movie, which is he tends to say like, here's a movie that you can think about that is a little bit different, but close to the kind of movie I made.

But I tend to think that a lot of that is just theatrics and that like he, his sensibility is fucked up in a good, in a very fun and entertaining way.

And I do think he also is processing some real shit.

by making these movies in this way.

You could not have come up with Hereditary or Midsummer or Bo is Afraid if you didn't have like a world inside your mind that you're trying to to get out.

So I think he's technically basically top of the class from his generation.

I think there's very few people who can kind of pull off the kind of things that he imagines.

But the movies are all pretty funny.

Like, I'm going to make a case that Hereditary is kind of a comedy.

You're going to make that case?

I saw

it was under Decapitation Comedy.

It's so slap your head off.

Yeah.

It's so absurd.

And I don't think it's the kind of movie where you're like, this is a movie about processing grief.

Like, it's not.

The movie is about how we are fucking hopeless.

Like, that no matter what you try to do to get to the bottom of your feelings, go to counseling, go to a seance, have a deep conversation with your child.

We're all going to fucking die.

Like, we are cursed.

Like, that's the message of the movie.

That's super funny to me that that's where he lands on it.

A Jets fan.

Well, that's maybe that's part of the reason why I like this movie.

I think that hereditary about a Jets fan.

It passes the Jets down.

The curse, yeah.

Tony Colette's performance has comic elements to it.

For sure.

She's really big in the performance.

Glad you brought her up.

She's been in three best picture films.

The Sixth Sense, The Hours, Little Miss Sunshine, plus Hereditary.

Not nominated for this movie.

And I actually thought she should have been because this movie did well and it was critically acclaimed.

Should we see?

Olivia Coleman won for the favorite.

Lady from Roma nominated.

Glenn Close.

Lady Gaga, Starsborn.

The one that really stood out to me was Melissa McCarthy for Can You Ever Forgive Me?

I just

fine.

It's not fine.

Tony Collette was amazing.

Yes.

I actually, I think she's a really good actress in general, but this and Little Miss Sunshine are the ones that I think jump out to me with her.

Yeah.

She's very good at playing completely frazzled, but yet somehow weirdly confident, but then the frazzle beats the confidence.

There's a couple of like award reel

moments in this movie where she's giving a speech or something like that.

But the things that blow my mind are like,

you know, when she wakes Peter up and is like, or not even wakes him up, but is like, I never wanted to be your mother, like that's, and then puts her hand over her mouth.

Like there are moments in this that she's just unbelievable.

She was nominated for Sixth Sense and has never been nominated since, which is kind of strange because you never walk out of a Tony Collette movie and be like, she wasn't good in that.

I think she's better in this movie than Sixth Sense.

She's good in Sixth Sense.

She's got more to do.

It's just kind of like a logical continuation in some ways, right?

Like they feel like they're kind of in conversation with each other a little bit.

Well, let's get to the topic of what the hell actually happened in this movie.

So I just wanted to ask before we got into it, will you be referring to Payman as Peter Payman, like Damien Omen?

Peter Payman?

Was that an XTC song?

You know what I mean?

Was it probably Charlie Payman?

I guess so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He.

No, he's Payman now.

Payman's a different name.

He wasn't Payman all along.

There's no Charlie is what you have to understand.

It was always Payman.

It was never Charlie.

Payman was always Charlie.

But Charlie existed.

Well, her corporeal form.

Yes.

But not.

Yeah.

Well, we should present that.

So I did bullet points.

Tell me where it veers off the tracks.

Okay.

The grandmother wanted her son to be the host, but he killed himself.

Correct.

The daughter, Annie, played by Tony Collette.

Her son was going to be the next host,

but the grandmother was not allowed near the child.

grandmother and the mom

reconciled in time for charlie the creepy little girl

and she was the wrong host

and

i don't know the eight kings of hell however this works yeah the hell committee yeah is this like the board of governors in the nba that's right they convened and they were like we got to move that fucking host

palmer charlie charlie wrong host who's your favorite king of hell who are your guys when it comes to the king of hell i think the west coast king of hell was the biggest voice in the room.

So you got to move that hose from Charlie, got to move it to the older brothers.

That guy was involved with Microsoft at the beginning, too.

So demons passed down.

This is part of the theory.

Into Charlie.

It's generational, hereditary.

Yes.

And beheading, I guess, is the way to release the spirit.

That's a good question.

I hadn't gotten that deep into it.

I hadn't done that much tape watching, but it does seem like that.

I think beheading ties into it to release the spirit of payment.

So he needs, he needs an empty, exposed neck to pop out of.

I hadn't read that, but that kind of makes sense given the number of decapitations in this movie.

Yeah.

So my wife loves this movie and it's one of the rare movies that I feel like she understands and can go way deeper than I can.

And she was, that was her interpretation.

I like this.

I hadn't ever thought about the beheading and then because you get into the like how much of Charlie's death is orchestrated by the cult and maybe possibly even Charlie.

But there's beheading beheading breadcrumbs throughout the whole movie, right?

The bird gets beheaded.

She's doing the model house.

There's beheaded people in that.

At the end, there's beheadings.

I think you're right.

I think you're onto something.

Thanks, Sean.

Hereditary demons don't have to just be payment, I think is the other theme in this movie, right?

It could be.

I don't know.

Like we were joking about the Jets, but it could be depression.

It could be passed along.

Yes.

I couldn't do that.

Anxiety.

All kinds of things.

So yeah, it's a a metaphor of all these different terrible things.

Yeah, it could be addiction.

It could be whatever.

The problem that I have with this is that,

you know, I'm a Mets fan as well.

And the Mets did not exist when my dad was born.

And he chose them and then he gave them to me.

So he was nine when they came around.

So what is that?

Like, what demon is that?

Like a new demon?

Yeah, that's like a new demon.

That's like a ninth king.

That's the first of them.

The ninth king.

The ninth king is was Fred Wolpon.

The ninth king is we just.

The Red Sox hit a dark spot where you were starting to wonder, like, did you want to pass this team to your kids?

I remember writing about that in the early 2000s.

Like,

is this a team you want to pass?

Kind of like hereditary.

Would you pass the Jets to a child?

Yeah, because I feel like none of this stuff, after the Red Sox won and some of the other teams that have the Cubs winning, I just feel like all these teams, I don't believe in the curses.

This is how I know Bill is payment.

Because he got all the championships.

I did.

He got the riches, the wealth.

I was hanging out with a Dodger fan this weekend who asked, have you ever decided the concept of if we can just win these next two rounds, I'll trade you this?

And I was like, it sounds like you're making an offer to

like a fancy.

There's a Dodgers fan who feels that way.

Yeah.

I mean, they haven't really won since 88.

They won the COVID year.

They won the COVID year.

That is still a World Series.

I know, but it's not like a real World Series.

I got no time for Dodger fans fans complaining about shit.

I'm not complaining.

It's just like I'd really like a real one.

Also, I don't really feel like the Dodgers fans put their team under the kind of pressure that like Philly's fans or

cold weather suggests and cold weather.

Yeah, it's different.

Lots more to discuss with this movie through the categories, but $10 million budget made.

Wait a minute, was it Mary Hart?

Was that the Dodger fan you were talking to?

That you were hanging out with over the weekend?

Tom Hanks.

$10 million budget, $87.8 million.

It made almost $100 million.

824's highest grossing film until Everything Everywhere all at once in 2022.

Oh, I didn't know that.

No, Roger Ebert.

Yeah.

Do you think you would have liked it?

I can put that in chat GBT while we talk, but Sean, I wanted to know the audience polled by Cinema score.

You could also just like speculate.

You know Roger Ebert's work very well.

You don't have to use APIs.

I think this would have been a three and a half stars for him.

I think Siscoe would have hated it.

Sisco would have been like, he would have been like, I walked out when the little girl got beheaded.

I was, I left.

But I think Raj would have been like, ah, family theme story.

I'm in.

Three and a half.

I agree.

He loves characters.

He loves strong female performances.

Yeah, Tony Flatt was a revelation.

I think he would have raved about that.

Gabriel Burn and Laugh Riot.

Gabriel Burn.

Burns strong score.

Yet again, creepy as hell.

So Cinema Score, the audiences gave the film an average created D plus.

It's like one of the least successful Cinema Score movies that actually

listen to Cinema Score.

Cinema Score.

It's a poll that is conducted when people leave the movie theater.

No, I know, I know, but they get, but what it is, is it's not, did you like the movie?

What grade would you give it?

It's what did you think the movie was going to be when you entered the movie based on the marketing that you had seen?

And then what did you, how did it match up to what you got in the movie?

So oftentimes, if you have movies that are like promoted as like a laugh riot or an action drama and then they're slow or they don't quite fulfill your expectations, then they tend to have low scores.

I also don't really take any criticism or score-based stuff that seriously around horror.

I think it's like a pretty refined category in terms of taste.

Also, the people who routinely go see those movies are not paying attention to like whether Roger Ebert would have liked it or not.

Chat GBT is telling me Ebert appreciated horror films that pushed boundaries

and he admired horror movies like The Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby.

Ebert likely would have respected Hereditary for its craftsmanship and psychological complexity, but whether he would have fully embraced its darker, more disturbing aspects is up for debate.

That's all.

Thanks, Chat.

They're going to fucking replace us in a year.

Certainly

watch that episode.

Type in the chat GPT, do Gabriel Byrne getting upset that Ellen Barkin is having sex with all of you?

AI can't do that shit.

I'll do that there in the break, which we're going to take right now.

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My mom was old, and she wasn't altogether there at the end.

And we were pretty much estranged before that, so it really wasn't a huge blow.

But I did

love her.

And she didn't have an easy life.

She had DID, which became extreme at the end, and dementia.

And my father died when I was a baby from starvation because he had psychotic depression.

And he starved himself, which I'm sure was just as pleasant as it sounds.

And then there's my brother.

My older brother had schizophrenia.

And when he was 16, he hanged himself in my mother's bedroom.

And of course, his suicide noblened her, accusing her of putting people inside him.

So

that was my mom's life.

The group's like, whoa, let's take a break.

Hey!

I love that scene.

Any more of these or just those two?

I love how that scene starts from an angle that is very far away.

And it's the camera's elevated.

And very,

very,

very slowly it starts encroaching into Tony Colette's face while she's giving that performance.

And you're like, oh.

This is a generational nightmare.

Yeah.

It would be amazing, though, if like the next cut was just somebody being like, this is actually the quitting smoking group.

This is for nut cancer.

The party scene.

Classic rewatchable scene.

I'd love to really dive into this.

Back into the left.

Charlie, one of the worst people you could bring to a high school party?

I'm just going to say, Sean, you have younger siblings.

Yeah.

My younger siblings are a lot cooler than Charlie.

Better hangs than her.

Probably would have put up more of a fight.

Like, hey, there's this girl I like.

I really don't want to bring Charlie.

I just bought this Teutonic pot.

It's a little bit of a strain of credulity there at that point in the movie.

I do like the idea.

So like when, you know,

when Peter's first in class and they're talking about Heracles and fate, it's like this idea of whether or not like certain things in this story were fated and destined to happen.

Like I do have a question for you.

Like you're eating cake with nuts in it.

So that the question that I had for you guys, well, you know what?

I'll save it.

I'll save it for the category that makes the most sense.

Could have gotten her some Benadryl, but I think it was pretty stoned.

And then, uh, I don't, but I'm not sure if that would have worked, and that's related to my question.

Maybe not.

Driving to the airport, and she leans her head out the window, and telephone pole takes it off.

This

telephone pole removes the head.

That was not, I shouldn't laugh.

It's a movie, we can laugh.

Super chill delivery of that faded news

in the theater.

Yeah.

I'm really glad you brought this up.

Astoundingly startling.

Like, truly, like, what the fuck, man.

Yeah.

Like, so effective.

I also got to say that this has become an obsession of mine is like contemporary trailers giving away too much of movies.

Charlie, the Charlie death is not in the trailer.

No, you don't.

You think you think the movie about Charlie?

Yeah, you think that the whole thing is her grieving her mother's death.

It's an amazing what the fuck just happened.

I agree in the theater.

It's, you know, four, five, six times later after you watch this movie, it just does the same impact.

But it's awesome.

Have I told you my story about going to to see this movie i must have what had happened because it was very memorable what happened so i saw this movie at south by southwest and it had played previously at sundance and there was a lot of buzz about it and i was like oh a fancy new horror movie so exciting so i went to a midnight screening oh my god i was living staying with you at this time we were we we went together um but you didn't come to the movie with me

and so i went to a midnight screening and it was at the Lamar Alamo draft house, which is farther out of town.

So you have to like drive 20 minutes to get out to that movie theater relative to where we were staying.

So I I went to the midnight screening, which was pretty crowded.

And

we watched the movie and we were like,

this is very fucked up.

This is a very, and it was 2.30 in the morning when we got outside, very traumatizing.

Called an Uber, get in an Uber.

I'm driving for about five minutes.

And then we get viciously rear-ended.

Very intense car accident.

Wow.

And the Uber.

And so we pulled over on the side of an empty highway and waited for the cops to come at three o'clock in the morning after just watching Hereditary.

Me, Uber driver, who barely spoke English and the guy who hit us, who I think might have been drunk.

Wow.

I was fucking terrified.

I was like,

is this payment come to get me?

So I will never forget seeing that movie for the rest of my life.

And I remember he got back to the...

the Airbnb we were staying and you were like I think I got up to go to the bathroom or something and you'd just gotten in and I was like yeah it was like four o'clock in the morning I was going you were like not good

I wasn't doing that That just sounds like a horrible thing.

Yeah.

It was really rough.

Yeah, that's rough.

Shocking.

You know, very few movies kill off the character you didn't expect to get killed off in the first like 40% of the movie and actually have a pull-off in the stage.

Here's the other thing about it is I forgot about this is that Peter just shuts down.

and drives home and leaves the body.

Well, I had some thoughts about that.

Peter's post-accident plan.

Yeah, Peter Payman.

Tough, tough spot for the mom the next day yes yeah it's like man that headless body looks like my daughter there's blood everywhere wait i recognize that shirt i mean i just that's got to be the number one worst thing you could walk into and the screaming kind of fits yeah because they don't show it it holds on peter's face when you hear the screaming which is a great choice um my wife defended him she's like he's in shock

Yeah, well, I don't know if it sounds like your wife should be on this pod.

She loves this.

Her and my son love this movie.

It speaks very highly of your wife that she's so into this movie.

Well, what about my son?

Well, he likes all horror movies.

They love this movie.

Well, you've conditioned him.

Yeah, you know, like you've trained.

This one, I'm like, they watched it like two months ago.

And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?

You guys are watching Hereditary again?

You think it's like there's something about Mary?

Like, Papa and Hereditary.

Do you think you knew you have a family of four with a boy and a girl?

Like, do you guys relate to something about the film?

Is there something is my son payment?

I will say, though,

well, we'll get to this part or this scene.

Yeah.

But the last 40 minutes of this movie are,

if this is the last 40 minutes i'm stopping to watch the end of this for for this movie oh if you if you flip to it yeah if you flip to it if it's on tv yeah forgot to mention the head with the ants that's tough did you did you clock at all the first time you saw it charlie cutting the head off the bird and then she gets her head cut off yeah they also drive past the lamppost very purposely yeah i noticed that probably the third time i saw this movie that the there's designs on the lint on the middle pole yeah oh yeah on the top that matches like her necklace yeah some other stuff

There's a lot of things that look like they're pointing in a neon red sign when you go back and watch the movie for where it's all headed.

When you're watching it, you have no idea really what's going.

Annie's second meeting with Joan, Holy Cross Grad, Ann Dowd.

Yeah.

Yeah, CR.

Interesting.

HC in the house.

She brought a lot of that Jesuit training to this film.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

Is she a few years ahead of me?

The second most famous HC alum?

No, I mean, we had Clarence Thomas and Bob Kuzi.

Number one is Joe House.

Joe House, probably first.

Blue Boy?

Where's Blue Boy?

He's in the top 30.

Andy's second model with Joan, right into Annie doing the car crash model, where we get the paint thinner story.

Yeah.

Peter always held it against me.

I would fucking hope so.

I mean, when you were sleepwalking and poured paint thinner over him and his sister and you were holding matches.

Yeah.

I wonder if.

And then

I like when she's defending the car crash model to her husband, creepy Gabriel Byrne.

Oh my God.

It's a neutral view of the accident.

Sean's right.

This movie is kind of funny deep down.

It's so funny.

That's hilarious.

Her daughter got decapitated in a car accident and three days later she was like, I'm going to make art out of this.

Yeah.

She's processing her grief.

Yes, for sure.

Got

a wash down.

Honey, is the head too far away from the telephone pole?

Would you move it back or closer?

The dinner scene.

Sneer at you?

I don't know her sneering.

Well, sweetie, you don't have to.

You get your point across.

Okay, so fine, then say what you want to say then.

Keita.

I don't want to say anything.

I've tried saying it.

Okay, so try again.

Release yourself.

Oh, release you, you mean?

Yeah, fine, release me.

Just say it.

Just fucking say it.

Don't you swear at me, you go shit.

Don't you ever raise your voice at me.

I am your mother.

Do you understand?

All I do is worry and slave and defend you.

And all I get back is that fucking face on your face.

So full of disdain and resentment and always so annoyed.

Well now your sister is dead.

Reminds me of the SNL dysfunctional family sketch with Will Farrell and

I drive.

Yeah, I drive a Dodge Stratus.

You don't talk to me like that.

This is that version of that.

All I want to do is worry and slave and defend you and all I get back is that fucking face on your face.

Don't you swear me, you little shit.

The family seance.

just when has this ever gone well in a movie is there a time can somebody point me to the steve doesn't want to do it he's like this is crazy

seance just no yeah no on the seance especially after the person who's convinced you to do the seance is like your whole family has to be there and like here are the here's the language that i don't know what it is and you have to read these words it's like hey that's crazy ideal don't don't pursue when we were weird our house was haunted before we found out that it was people wanted to have

before an official ghost

Before weird shit happened, Wilson came over and confirmed it.

Things are going great with the ghosts, but

that's because he's like, you guys keep watching Hereditary.

I finally found my soulmates.

We had somebody suggest a seance, and I was like, there's no fucking way.

No, I don't.

Like, or Murray.

Have you suggested that?

Like, was there somebody in Hollywood that could perform it?

In front of my wife.

Okay.

It's like, just seance.

Get it all out.

I was like, definitely not.

Where are you at on Ouija boards?

Oh, no way.

Zero percent chance.

You're in.

Every night.

I've never done it.

I've never done it.

Yeah, I've never done a Ouija board.

I don't think.

Wow.

What's that about?

You love board games.

Who wins Ouija besides

Satan?

Yeah.

It's just, I just don't understand.

The demons have to just be laughing when people are like, yeah, let's break out a Ouija board.

They're like, really?

Look at these fucking idiots.

All right.

You want to play Ouija?

You want this?

You love demons.

Yes, you just love a demon.

But he treats it like the demons are at the high roller suite in the Atlantic South.

Oh, they are.

Like, oh, look at these whales.

Yeah, seriously.

Like, oh, my God.

There's no need to be scared.

It's just a little bit of a story.

It's still north over here.

Annie figuring out the albums and books is a rewatchable.

Peter freaking out in the classroom.

leading to Annie showing her husband the attic.

I have two more.

I wrote down, Gabriel Byrne is on fire

and then peter escapes to the attic which most rewatchable scenes here all right so it's broadly speaking the last 40 minutes but i think it's uh

from steve burning to death yeah on more

it's it's peter wakes up goes downstairs charred dad discovers charred dad mom's on the ceiling yeah and before that when he's in the bedroom you see tough morning you see indication she hadn't even had coffee yet that part is so scary so scary when you don't really fully understand what's happening.

Yeah, because it's like she takes on payment

once Steve goes up in flames.

Yes.

Then she has to cut her head off to give payment to the dead body of Peter.

Well, she had good piano wire, though.

She'd gone to Home Depot.

I had a lot of questions about her.

Strong piano wire.

I'll just tell you guys this.

If I woke up the next morning and my charred father was in front of the fireplace, I would still make coffee because I can't really start the day without coffee.

I tell you what, that's a great game show idea.

What would cause you to do that?

What would cause you to not make coffee?

I'd be like, well,

I mean, he is dead.

What if there was

a notification on your phone that said Peyton Pritchard scored 101 points in a game against the kicks?

Would you immediately go to last night's?

You guys know I stopped for coffee when my wife was in labor.

You know that story.

Steve told that story.

I didn't know she was actually, I thought it was another false labor.

So I was like, can we just stop stop at the Starbucks?

What'd she say?

And then we got there and like, she's four centimeters dilated.

She's still mad about it.

You're like, I got this one.

Justified.

Yeah.

First child or second child?

First child.

Okay.

Well, you didn't know.

I didn't know.

What do you have for most rewatchable?

I think it's, it's the same thing.

Like the

Pete, Steve goes up in flames.

And then as soon as you see her like moving around in his room the first time,

it in like shadow.

Yeah.

I was locked in, but also like this.

You guys are both wrong.

Okay.

It's the telephone pole beheading Charlie.

That scene's amazing.

So you re-watch it all the time?

I'm just saying that's the most, if that scene's coming up, I'm like, all right.

You really should do like an old-school Madden telestrator breakdown of that scene.

I would, I would pay money.

I might have something a little later for you guys.

Yeah.

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Woods age the best.

The real estate,

the house is great in this movie.

Utah.

Beautiful.

Park City, baby.

Really good.

I like the little creepy tree house.

I like the driveway.

It's just the perfect scary house.

I think one reason why I really like this movie is that I, in my life, before my life is over, I want to live in a house like that.

I want to live in like a secluded mountain town house.

with a little history, dark

note inside.

A little history.

But I worry that if I do that,

I will be dooming myself.

If you do that, no matter what the state of our relationship is, I want you to know that I'm going to paint a giant triangle on the floor

before you move in.

Chris, are you wearing a payment necklace?

Andy's work area is good too.

I just, I like that whole thing.

Another Woodsage is the best.

Bugs, ants, or flies as a horror movie device.

Hate hate him i just told him this this is the one thing i can't always always super it's like oh no there's some bugs i'd prefer if i have to have one or the other bugs i can handle better than mice in my life how about flies like lots of flies flies as like a death signal harbinger is really freaks me out the ants and the device did it really well yeah they didn't do any spiders in this movie that's that to me that's the final breaking point I have more, but what do you have for what's age the best?

We kind of touched on this a little bit, but re-watching this movie when you know it's going to happen.

So like this time around, for instance, it was like Annie noticing extra people at the funeral, because that's the cult, right?

Charlie and Annie talking about Annie's mom feeding Charlie and wanting her to be a boy.

You're like, oh, right, because you want to be payment.

The bird, Charlie and Peter driving past the lamppost, all the stuff on the postcard where it's like, forgive me, you know, for everything I couldn't tell you, but we're going to inherit, you know, whatever.

So all the stuff that you pick up over and over again, like Sixth Sense,

it has has like durable rewatchability because all these little signals are in there.

I think way better executed than Sixth Sense.

Like when I watch Six Sense now, I'm like, all right.

Well, Sixth Sense is like one trick, right?

Yeah.

This is laying a lot more.

I think you're underestimating the Sixth Sense a little bit.

I mean, I think there's like staging of scary sequences in that movie that are exceptional.

And upon revisiting them, you like them.

But it is a movie that is hinged entirely on the twist.

I don't think this movie is hinged entirely on the reveal.

And it is chock full of like Easter eggs, for lack of a better phrase.

I think it's also like, like I said, this kicked off a wave, not just of this kinds of horror movies, but like in five years, A24 does Spring Breakers, Ex-Machina, Room, The Witch, The Lobster, Moonlight, Best Picture, Florida Project, Ladybird, Good Time, capped off by Hereditary, which is their biggest movie.

That's pretty much a generation of filmmakers.

And that is, they discover a bunch of people who either first or second films,

bunch of award nominations, you know, and movies that like people have a big relationship to from the last 15 years.

Did I ever tell you my theory about the lobster?

Fire away.

It sucked.

So my next What's Age the Best.

It's not a theory.

What's Age the Best?

The movies, the horror movie score in this movie, whatever they're doing.

It's not like something you would play on Spotify or something, but there's just sounds and creaks.

And

it's a little shining-esque or shining, just they're making weird noises.

And you're like, ah, I don't like that noise.

That's weird.

What's going on there?

But I think they do a good job.

Horror movies where someone hurts themselves

is a good device.

When Charlie started,

when Peter starts slamming his

head against

that always creeps me out.

What's age the worst?

Cause it's actually been ripped off a bunch because they do it in Talk to Me.

They do it in long legs pretty much.

They kind of do it in Smile.

Where, like, I feel like the hitting your face thing.

Yeah, but that's suddenly out of nowhere has been.

This movie was ahead of that.

I'm saying you're right.

It can be best and worst.

Because I think it's been

ripped off a lot.

Good point.

It is now like a trope.

You liked long legs?

Did you like that movie, Chris?

Did you?

No.

I didn't.

Good try.

Noble effort.

I didn't like it, though.

Can we get long legs together with no?

I feel like

would you like to order?

We should add long legs to the

Tony Romo and Jim Nance.

And long legs.

Yeah, and long legs.

Okay, I'll work on that.

I also really like the...

I did not expect you to break out of long legs.

Sorry.

I should have ward you.

So they built the interiors on sets on sound stages, but it's very kind of like almost breaking the fourth wall at certain points of like the fakeness of the sets.

That is that amazing first shot, yeah.

The slow push-in, and you're moving into the miniature, and then all of a sudden, you're in the room.

That's for great shotgordo, yeah.

It's gotta be great shackordo for that.

I actually had Steve on fire for Gordo, but Steve is on fire.

Bang!

Wow, now Mike Breen is a part of it.

Steve throws the book in the fireplace.

Bang!

Oh,

That's like a double bang.

Oh, bang!

Bang!

Oh, man.

Oh, my fucking God.

Anyway, yeah, that was cool.

What's H the best?

And Dowed.

Hereditary, the Leftovers, and the Handmaid's Tale.

A.K.A., the Dark Big Three.

Yeah.

The Jewish Queen.

What else could she be in that's more depressed than those three?

Those are all high lottery picks.

You should next time you do a Holy Cross of London.

Holy Cross.

She probably.

This is like the Milady.

Yeah.

Inside joke for the Holy Cross people.

You don't want to write it.

It's like I lived in Milady.

That's like the furthest building away from where all the fun stuff was.

Where they put all the payment.

That's like if you were a serial killer, you're probably in Milady.

What's age the best?

The Halloween Classroom homage.

Yeah.

They even shoot it where the window is to the left.

And I like that.

Ariaster.

It's got some moves.

Do homage to the king, John Carpenter.

He's got some moves.

The Fortune 3 3 Clap Award for most giftable moment.

Is it too sick to think it's Charlie putting her head out the window?

I think that's probably the one.

If you wanted to do like images immediately preceding a disaster, you know, those Twitter accounts, like that's the one.

I was hoping that you would do Tony doing the piano wire thing

after the last streak.

You might get your account deactivated.

Me as every Roger account deactivated, or

it would be given medals.

Yeah.

X.

Dennett East Benny Hannerword, the house for the scenes too, and location.

Great house.

Yeah.

No doubt.

Kid Cuddy Pursued Happiness World, Best Needle Drop.

Joni Mitchell, right in the closing credits.

It's the Judy Collins version.

Oh, it is?

I will say Colin Stetson, who did the music.

The double track of Reborn slash Hail Payment.

It's really great too.

Yeah.

You just run that while working out.

Hail Payment.

What did you have for the Big Coon or Burger where for best use of food and drink um

chocolate bars

okay i like it what about the what about the the the what charlie eats you know the walnut cake yeah

just charlie's sweet tooth in general cake yeah that's good butch's girlfriend award week link of the film

i'll go last unless you guys don't have one here

I just think that Peter's friends could have had a little bit more definition.

It's a good one.

Like when he's, when he's back, Handskin's like, hey, man, you okay?

Yeah.

Nobody's ever just like, so what happened this weekend?

You left a hurry.

Heard your

sister died.

Like they don't even acknowledge it.

They're pretty, they're pretty rude.

I feel like particularly his like potential girlfriend, like we could have had some more, oh, yeah, some more excitement there.

And it's like,

is that your weak link?

Yeah.

I mean, everybody else in the movie is great.

This is barely a weak link and it's not the movie's fault this movie was hard to understand as you're watching it the first time yeah the first time you're just like what the just happen yeah you it's one of those you go with it but you really need to see it a second or third time to put the pieces together um you watch it more from the eyes of like whoa oh oh my god oh

but then you don't you know the story part of it's a little harder to follow yeah i think you you i remember

not the movie's fault yeah i remember very vividly getting the okay

the demon is in Peter at the end.

You know, Peter is now,

he is the, you know, the product of the cult, but all of the choices that are being made or all the stuff that he's planting in the movie, it's hard to process those things the first time you watch it.

What's age the worst?

So Charlie's

clacking noise, that

great movie device, but my wife does it to fuck with me and I don't like it.

No.

Yeah, she does it sometimes.

That is messed up.

Will she do it from like another room or she do it in front of me?

No, when they watch it, and then she'll be like, We watch hereditary, and then she'll start doing it.

She might be one of the eight kings of hell.

I'm still unclear.

We'll find out at some point.

Maybe that's why I'm in the house a bit.

Do you think that explains all the success in your career?

That's it.

Yeah.

Maybe that's the price

that noise.

It's messed up.

There's a couple of you in the movie that are really, really jarring.

The one in the classroom with Peter, in particular, when it's like almost like a close-up on the side of his head and you hear it, is upsetting.

Peter's really going for it in this movie in a couple of spots.

You mean the actor or?

The actor.

Alex Wolf.

Yeah.

I think he's appropriately in a fugue state of grief and

PTSD from everything that's happened to him.

I think he's a good actor and gives a good performance.

I was bummed out to learn that he went fully method during the production of this movie.

Should we do that now?

Yeah, have some of this.

Everybody call me Peter.

And he like introduced himself as Alex on the last day of shooting.

I, you know, like, I get it.

The guy who's not like a, like a thing, telling the whole crew to call him by the character's name is just douchebag 101.

It just is.

I, yeah, I agree.

But and it's just a lot of people.

I'm willing to give

Daniel Day Lewis.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's, it should really be like four people on the planet who can get away with that.

After

we saw Gladiator 2 on Friday,

CR and I went to a bar and the bar had like 25 TVs and all the TVs were showing sports.

And then there was one TV right in the middle of the bar and it was tuned to TCM and Lincoln was on.

Yeah.

And first of all, Chris and I were riveted.

We were locked in on Lincoln and he turned to me in all sincerity.

We had stopped talking.

It was just the two of us watching Lincoln together.

Just drinking a Budweiser.

And he goes, dead serious, this is a re-watchable.

Lincoln?

Lincoln is definitely a re-watchable.

All right,

I'll check it out.

Yanush is cooking.

Yanush is cooking in that movie.

Tony Collette

talking about Alex Wolf playing her son.

Alex, dot, dot, dot, just turned himself inside out.

He wasn't particularly collaborative.

or enjoyable, I would say, for anybody else, except for perhaps him in some weird fashion.

But he's young.

He'll figure it out.

And you know what?

He did a great job.

So who cares?

That's the

about

fucking, this guy sucks.

Yeah.

I was watching

Jeff Chow, who we work with, sent me a video last night of some guy from NME asked Jeremy Strong like what his favorite albums are.

And he fucking no-sold it so hard and just like took it so seriously.

It was just like,

Astral Weeks.

And he was like, oh, yeah, when did you first hear that?

He's like, who can tell?

It's one of those albums that just seems to emerge and be with you your whole life.

Do we need to add Jeremy Strong to the Wynn Jackets category?

Deadeye Jeremy Strong.

Jeremy Strong killing the vibe.

Jeremy Strong as Peter would have been an interesting little older.

He's too old now, but like younger Jeremy Strong, that would have been fun.

I got to say, Alex Wolf has been very good in some good movies.

Yeah.

So I don't want to like dump all over his career, but that story, when I read that, I was like, this is not cool.

This sounds awful.

Any other what's aged the worst?

I had the smashing your face thing because it's become such a trend in the world.

It is getting ripped off.

And I think elevated horror has not aged well.

I think if you try to put those brackets around around a movie, it's like, oh, you got to stick up your ass, and you think you're better than me?

Yeah, this is basically like a really boring two-hour movie with a jump scare in the very end.

Exactly.

You think you're better than me?

Oh, you're there with your ghost story.

You think you're better than me?

Yeah.

You're going to scare me, motherfucker.

You should do sully reviews where it's just like you come out of a movie.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge overacting word, not to keep picking on Alex Wolf, but why did you try to kill me?

Tony gets this.

Tony is like worthy of almost adding to the category title.

Oh, you think she went Julianne Moore, Magnolia?

Yeah, don't call me ladies.

She is Linda Partridging.

Yeah, for sure.

I think she's so good in this movie.

Do you think it's overacting, though?

I just think she goes really big.

Okay.

Was there a better title for this movie, The Telephone Pole or Charlie's Head?

I think Charlie's Head would would have been giving somebody.

Charlie's Head, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hereditary is good.

I like it.

Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote?

I never wanted to be your mother.

Yeah.

And that's a really good mouth.

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All right.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

How does Take Award?

What do you got, CR?

If Payment calls, you have the meeting, right?

Like,

why is it such a bad idea?

Because I feel like ultimately what they're looking for from payment is like

wealth insight five firsts a couple pick swaps yeah so like rather than get everybody in the family decapitated maybe you just get your smartest guys in a room yeah and talk it out yeah

payment is uh he's pretty relentless yeah he's gonna get it's like it's like it's like having a clutch player want to trade it's gonna happen yeah it's just about how much pain comes along with it um i have a somewhat related hottest take,

which is that I think the cultists are onto something, but only with regard to not wearing clothes.

That like everyone is just like, if I've got payment, I don't need clothes.

There's no such thing as shame or embarrassment.

I can be my own true self all the time.

Like naked cultist in your attic,

that's about as awful as it is.

It's as scary as it is.

But possibly.

But just from like a process perspective,

like beavers.

What about them?

I don't know.

Just some animals that could could have been rabid, rabid skunks, yeah.

Then someone in control, naked cultists.

No, I wasn't that scared of the naked people.

I think naked people smiling for that threatening is

pretty crazy.

Like, they're that shot of the trio of them up in the attic smiling that happens very quickly.

Yeah, that is true.

That's pretty scary.

Skunks are pretty bad, though.

We're talking about demons here.

Here's my hottest take: this is my best one in a while.

Making a horror movie about hell not hard

blank slate just get to make up anything oh like if it's about demons or anything about hell and it's a it's like you just from there you just get to cook it's blank slate it's like oh well the eight kings in hell and payment there's a host body i think he did it cut your head off and blow he he he did the the the work though i mean the grim wars have he did it and they did a great job my point is nobody knows what hell is like so you can basically do anything i see yeah you can be like yeah hell is the third quarter of a Carolina Panthers game when they're one in 15.

And that's the, that's the gateway to hell right there.

The third interception is when we go to like, you can say anything because nobody knows what hell is.

Have you seen the new smile?

No, but I'm excited for it.

I like the first smile.

I thought it was pretty good.

The new smile opens up a lot of potential for setting a smile in the world of sports.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't want to say too much.

Like Russell Wilson.

Well, it's like, what happens when a big crowd could be exposed to

oh russell wilson or smile uh i mean russell wilson just kicked my team's ass so i'm not gonna i mean maybe he is possessed by some sort of demon he might be possessed by ai i i saw that take yeah he's he's he um

he needs to be deprogrammed do you think he asks chat gpt what roger ebert would say to miles of george

uh casting what ifs we don't have any because this movie just came out so we need 15 to 20 more years to have stuff like Tom Cruise almost played Gabriel Burns.

It sounds like they got Tony Collette very early.

Yeah.

Gabriel Burns pretty early.

He kind of made it sound like he wrote it for Tony Collette.

And then they got Millie Shapiro pretty early.

Who apparently was this accomplished musical?

She won a Tony for a musical in age 10.

Michelle Burns is a perfect vibe to this movie.

She's really good.

Who do you have for Best At Guy?

It's not a huge cast on this.

Kathleen Shalfant, who plays The Grandmother, plays Lee.

Oh, that's good.

Deion Waiters word endowed.

Yeah.

100%.

Holy cross in the house.

Yeah.

I wonder if she went to Jodie's.

Was there a holy cross basketball player who mimicked Deion Waders'

game?

When I was there?

Not really.

Okay.

We weren't good enough.

Recasting couch director City.

Back to Peter.

Where's Lucas Hedges in this?

Where's my guy?

That would have been, can you imagine him doing Manchester by by the Sea and just following that up with Hereditary?

Like, just, and then he could be sold in the bundle on Fandango.

Yeah.

It's like the Lucas Hedges dark movie two-pack.

Lucas Hedges Valentine's Day special.

And he'd be coming off Ladybird.

He was the prince of A24 at this time, too.

Maybe he was busy.

Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or somebody else for director's commentaries here.

DB doing Hereditary.

I see you, Miss Joni.

For decades, you've been preparing the path for King Payman, and now he's finally here.

You've gotten rid of Charlie and destroyed the Graham family so that Payman can take his preferred male form.

And now it's time.

Look to the northwest, Miss Joni.

Hell is coming.

We see you, ma'am.

I thought for sure you were going to have her address Payman.

And then otherwise you could do Collins work.

Oh, Mike.

See, this is why you don't stick your head out the window when you're going down the highway.

That's rookie stuff.

I have a new entry for this.

Okay.

Because watched in WNBA finals, our guy Ryan Rucco.

Here comes the telephone pole.

Got it.

The telephone pole decapitation as a three-pointer is some of the best shit that's ever come out of this show.

Breen going bang, breath of decapitation.

Charlie's need the FP Pen.

Bang!

Got it!

Half-master research.

Apparently.

Wait,

Chris and I have been working on the coward thing a little bit.

Oh.

Where I feel like coward the day after, where he's like, the thing is, with Payman, Payman does not mess around.

You know that Payman has a handle on the salary cap.

You know that Payman is the master of his game.

Payman is not the eighth king of hell.

He's the first king of hell.

And then he just stares in the camera after.

Cut to JMAC nodding.

Good point.

Great points, Colin.

So they showed Hereditary in Australia accidentally to a movie theater full of families that had 40 children in it.

And it was mistakenly shown.

It was the trailer or is the whole movie?

The whole movie.

And it went badly.

There's an article that you can find.

So apparently, Astor and an unnamed financier fought about the final cut of the picture and he had to protect it.

There's a lot of stuff on the internet about this.

Seems like he was proven right.

He wrote, he was a, I'm writing detailed biographies and backstories of every character in the movie guy.

Yeah.

I like those guys.

Just like, honey, what are you doing?

I'm going to go to the coffee shop and just write down what Steve's going to do.

And write Steve's backstory.

What did Steve do out of college?

Well, was he a therapist?

He's a therapist, which is hilarious.

Yes.

He would have gotten my Vincent Chase if we had done that category.

Oh, that's good.

For sure,

you're living with

Annie, and you're not like, We gotta Annie, let's take an hour here.

Yeah, well, it seemed like he had some good instincts once upon a time because we know he put together a no-contact policy with her mom.

Yeah, like he knew her mom was destructive, but for whatever reason, he was just like, ah,

I guess it's okay.

The composer Colin Stetson

found inspiration for the score through the sounds of water and animals while walking around in pitch black night.

He sounds fun

to

to crawl inside

the skin of Peter.

Oh, we did the we did that one.

He was asking everyone to call Peter on the set.

No, in your internet research?

I did not.

The movie's over two hours.

That's a cutoff.

Yeah.

I don't need deleted scenes.

There's some good ones.

There's one of Peter goes up to the treehouse after Charlie's death to sleep where she used to sleep.

Yeah.

And he lies down and starts to fall off.

And he looks over and his mom's already there sleeping.

Oh, and it really freaks him out.

And it starts the like his kind of being really timid

about her, and like you're making that face on your fucking face on your face.

Yeah,

it's good.

And you also imagine Peter would be pretty timid because his mom almost lit him on a fire.

It's not what you want.

Bang!

Here comes the telephone pole.

Got it.

And Rebecca, that head's rolling around the highway.

Apex Mountain.

Did you want to weigh in on that

final call?

What?

In regulation last night?

What was the final call?

He had a financial interest in that.

Yeah, but just the Liberty.

It was an absolute Vince McMahon, David Stern called in.

It really wasn't inside of the league.

They were just...

Collier, 23 shots and zero free throws and got hacked on the final shot.

It was outrageous.

Apex Mountain.

A24.

I would say probably everything, everywhere.

I agree.

Agreed.

Tony Colette?

Yeah, I think that would probably be.

I would say yes.

What's hmm?

I don't think I looked enough at her career.

I mean, it's definitely up there.

Is this the part that she will be remembered for?

I would say Little Miss Sunshine only because it felt like that opened

for a bunch of stuff for her.

I think Little Miss Sunshine is a movie personally that I feel like has gotten kind of like lost to time a little bit.

And I think I was just talking about what that did for her.

Sure.

Yeah.

You know, I felt like that was a really important movie for all the people on that.

Corel.

Corel.

Paul Dano.

She's been a part of

some big movies.

I mean, you know, she was a big part of Knives Out too.

You know, like, she, there's tough.

Oh, yeah.

I forgot that.

She's been pretty steady here for 25 years.

She's always good.

Yeah, 30 years.

Apex Mountain for nut allergies.

Oh, shit.

I'm not prepared for that one.

It's just like they're so conscientious about Charlie's nut allergy until

why did you go to a party with your brother?

How did Kulkin die in bees?

My girl.

Yeah.

That's a, that's a very good question.

That'd be a good list.

Apex Mountain for child

reactions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I mean, this is definitely

the height of child movie death, except maybe the kid in jaws.

Do you want to do that?

Let's do that unanswerable question right now, if you don't mind.

That allergy attack, that's Payman, right?

That's not an allergy attack.

That's Payman saying that.

No, but they say later the parent says

when the mom is making him feel bad, she says, you knew

she centered with me?

Yeah, when they're doing the shipping on each other, yeah.

But isn't like isn't Payman compelling her to go have the cake because he wants out?

Yeah, I mean, once you're moving to hell, you can make up, yeah, he's responsible for the.

The same thing with, like, did the cult put the deer there?

Same.

Yes.

Great point.

Because the cult obviously knew the telephone pole's significance because it

has the impression.

That is like a real, like, a bunch of things have to happen the right way, but then you get into fate.

You know, Satan moves in mysterious ways.

That's right.

That's how you end up with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback.

I really feel like he's Payman.

I feel like Payman Rodgers.

He's the final stage, like the ultimate manifestation of this curse.

We need to break it.

If Aaron Rodgers showed up tomorrow with like nose padding on,

would you be surprised?

Does it end ultimately in him being decapitated on television

by TJ Watt?

With your offensive line, it might happen.

The only other piece of internet research I had was that, oh, we already moved on Apex Mountain.

Give it to us anyway.

One of Peter's friends is in the fucking cult.

One of the guys he's smoking weed with under the bleachers winds up being in the cult.

Oh, interesting.

Like, we see him later?

Yeah, it's just like the idea that they're like everything that they do is basically like the cult has their fingerprints on it

beheading scenes i had that decapitations i think it is i think it is apex mountain what else is in the running there's a really great one in akira kurosawa's ron that is a good one how about black rain with andy garcia there you go i would say this one this one has

three

the the telephone pole is the best one yeah Yeah, I don't know.

The piano wire is gnarly.

Also, I love that you can hear the head hitting the floor, even though the camera's on Peter.

I like that.

Alex Wolfe, yes.

Gabriel Byrne.

No.

Usual suspects?

Yeah.

Miller's Crossing.

Well, somewhere in the 90s.

Yeah.

David Ellen Barkin.

Evil Tree Houses?

That's about as bad as it goes for a tree.

I'm trying to think of another Evil Tree House.

There's an Evil Tree House in Beetlejuice.

Betelgeuse in New South Wales right now.

Yeah.

Good son's a good one.

Discovering your dad's charred body and then deciding to make coffee first before you call the police.

It's Apex Mountain for that.

For me, seances, no.

Beheading yourself with piano wire, definitely.

Utah?

Probably.

The jazz making the finals.

Is that in Utah?

It's never

explained.

Yeah.

This is going to be good.

Cruz or Hanks.

So remember, we can have either of these guys at any points of their career for this.

I have Hanks as Steve.

I think it's Hanks as Steve, too.

I agree.

Can I give you young early 80s

cruise as Peter?

Yes, you can do that.

I think that's the answer.

Craig, you'd be a tiebreaker.

You can get an early 80s.

It's a tiebreaker if we just said Hanks.

Can you Peter?

Three of us here.

I think Hanks.

I think it's Hanks.

Sorry, Bill.

No, listen.

I want Hanks to win every time.

You're so competitive.

I just want it for Hanks.

I think he needs it.

Yeah.

Can you move the scale like sliding on the timeline?

For what?

Like, can you go young cruise and young people?

Yeah, he's saying like outsiders cruise.

But I'm saying, like, is that part of the question every time?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Because sometimes there's not a part for those guys.

So you have to get a little more creative.

Right.

Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy team name.

I'll give you hereditary,

just as a horse.

King Payman.

Or eight kings of hell as a fantasy team name.

What if you just named your racehorse Payman?

I think

Hawk Preston not better.

Peter Payman would be a pretty good horse name.

Peter Payman?

Peter Payman.

Is Payman an actual like satanic name or did they make it a horse?

No, it's real.

It's real so much as like the, like they're like a bunch of occult.

I like hereditary as a horse name.

Okay, pick and knits.

I have a bunch of them, but why don't you guys go and then I'll wait.

Does Pete smoke too much weed?

Hmm.

Like it seems like they would be on top of that a little bit, maybe.

Like, I, you know, I know legalization has swept the country, but he's smoking a lot of bowls.

And I think it's affecting his judgment.

Well, he's smoking in his room, so they must know.

His sister did get beheaded on his watch.

Are you shaming him for smoking weed?

I just think that if it's, it's like almost weirdly like this thing he does that keeps him in a haze.

You wonder if payment is sort of affecting him in that way.

I couldn't tell if he's like the school dealer because his friends all seem to want to hang out with him to to smoke a bowl.

That's a good point.

CR is like, back in my day, we binge drank.

And then it was like, who's sober enough to drive us home?

And we throw the keys to Kenny.

That's right.

Who's the Mark Sanchez of my group?

Does

does Annie just forget that Joni is close friends with her mom?

No, she doesn't know.

But how does she not know?

I feel like I had that as a picking name.

I know her mother's secretive.

Her mom's there.

They're in the same thing.

She's going to run into that lady at some point.

Be like, oh, that's Joan.

That's mom.

She's from the neighborhood.

I mean, I think that the idea is that Annie and her mother have a pretty fractitious relationship and that she may not be like all over her, you know?

Okay.

Here's my biggest nitpick.

How did Annie even get married?

What a fucking nightmare she is.

Imagine being like, yeah, Gabriel Burns, like, yeah, I met somebody.

Who is it?

Well, she's a little bit of a handful.

Mom's definitely a little nuts.

And she makes model houses and has meltdowns.

And everyone in her family died of sexuality.

I think she does quite well for herself, though, right?

The model houses in the archer gallery is all over her.

The implication is the sex had to be just incredible.

He's like, I'm going to overlook all the family deaths.

And you're crazy, mom, because holy shit, you rocked my world last night.

Annie.

I'm coming back for more.

Oh, my God, dude.

The implication is that Annie and Steve are fuck fuck bunnies.

Like they are just so into it with each other that he, as a therapist, is willing to overlook her clear relationship to demonic possession.

Depression.

Yes.

Sometimes the sex can be that good.

Really good tip.

Okay.

Is that your Coach Finstock life lesson?

Well, if the sex is good enough, you will allow the eighth king of hell to enter your life.

Steve's overlooking a lot.

Yeah.

Like a lot.

Is um like including her mother sobbing when it's not as well apparently also the mother possibly breastfeeding the daughter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But is Steve's like, wow, that's weird.

All right, I'm going to go to work.

Yeah.

I should be home by 5.30.

He's like, I'm going to go watch the jazz.

Jazz nuggets.

Local rivalry kind of.

It's Karolinko night.

They're doing bobbleheads.

Battle in Mountain Time Zone.

Is the implication that Annie's mom has already accumulated some wealth because she has devoted herself to payment?

Like,

she gets to be this art that, you know, Annie gets to be this artist

that comes from family money.

Seats, cover chargers.

I think that the idea is the reason they need payment to come through is to get stock tips.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

All right.

That's good.

Yeah.

He's like the Jordan Bill.

Especially they need

the sports gambling craze is coming.

Yeah, he's going to help with that.

Dayden's super boosted.

He's like, Dodgers, Yankees, lock it down.

It's like, you got a party for

Ayonescu's going to go one for 19.

Take it to the bank.

Why would Annie want Peter to take Charlie to a high school hangout picnic when the kid's like 13?

Well, like that's the evil spirit intervenes on that one.

Sometimes you want your kids out of your house, right?

Yeah, I guess, but go play in the tree house.

Well, she doesn't want her to be there.

People naked cult people are up there.

Yeah.

The

that scene is, it gets into like whether or not like how much culpability Annie has with that and like whether she was like kind of just like, get this kid out of here.

I have two big ones

why didn't Peter lock his bedroom door at night with multiple locks I don't think it works

after the paint thinner thing I'm like mom no offense but I went to the Home Depot that's another thing is that Steve seems to kind of put three locks on my door and when I go to bed at night all of those doors are all of them is gonna be locked so I'll just see you in the morning

done that would be a great home depot ad campaign the home Depot.

Don't end up like Peter for keeping payment out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the good stuff.

The Home Depot.

They're a sponsor today, actually.

I know.

I love the Home Depot.

Thank you for keeping the demons out of our homes.

Yeah.

This is my big one, though.

And this is a passion point of my wife with this movie.

Why didn't Peter get arrested?

At least bring him in for questioning.

Well, do they, there's only one mention of the cops when Steve's like, we got to call the police.

And she's like, the police can't help us.

But are we to take it that there was no investigation into the

car accident?

Like, was he drinking?

Was he blood?

well, he was definitely inebriated.

Yeah.

They're definitely bringing him in.

Yeah.

He's like back at school.

And it's like, hey, Annie, this is Charlie's teacher.

Charlie hasn't been in for the last few days.

Well, Charlie got decapitated four nights ago, so she's not coming in.

Not telling the police about the hat.

Nothing.

This just

comes and goes.

Decapitated little girl, like no newspaper coverage.

You've done a really good job of Salt Lake Tribune not on this.

Yeah, bringing Howie.

She raised your father's energy to this pod.

Girl's head got chopped off, yeah, it's tough.

What would that do to her find my iPhone thing?

You know, it's a really good, really good point.

Probably still in her pocket, right?

Here comes the telephone!

Got it!

That's a good guy,

sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all blackcaster, untouchable.

I think there's a prestige TV case for this, and we've kind of seen versions of it on Netflix, like sanitized,

scary.

What's that guy's name?

Mike, whatever.

Mike.

Flanagan.

Mike Flanagan.

Sanitized Scary.

Is that a seventh category?

Well, it's just you're dragging it out.

So you get like eight, eight, nine, ten episodes.

Slow scary.

Slow scary.

Yeah.

Slow burn scary.

I did find myself having the lizard brain reaction after watching it last night of just like, I would watch the reign of payment.

Like I would watch the next movie.

about what happens to payment inside of Peter's.

The hard part about it is it's like, who's even against payment?

Because they've cut out all the like,

you know, everybody in that family is dead except for it's just Joe Douglas and Woody Johnson.

That's it.

It's like, does Payman go back to school the next day?

Does Payman show up like Team Wolf?

Like, I'm pleased to introduce our new general manager, Payman.

I think Payman had to take a few days off after repeatedly slamming his head against the school desk.

Yeah.

But does he show up?

Does he wear the crown to school?

Oh, he's just like owning it?

It's like Team Wolf.

Do you think Steve?

Do you think Steve and Annie

ever got it on while Payman was inside of Annie?

Oh, like, was there any like?

No, Payman's only in there for a few minutes.

Yeah.

And it's after Steve gets burned alive.

It's only a few minutes.

Yeah.

I thought the implication is that he's like, because you know, you see the light throughout this movie, the light kind of flickering around.

Yeah.

And the blue light.

Yeah.

It's kind of like jumping in and out of people at times.

Oh, I didn't notice that this time.

And like, what if Payman was like, I really got to, I got to to get this out of my system, you know, and Steve looks like it's

Ornie Payman.

Yeah.

Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Sam Jackson, J.T.

Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Evil Laffing, Ramon Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall?

I think there's a Sam Jackson case for like being the teacher.

Yeah.

Heracles, motherfucker.

Fate.

Talking about fate just makes him into this for no reason.

Raymond, motherfucker, do you speak?

Yeah.

There were seven other kings, motherfucker.

It would also be good if Harling Mays was one of Peter's friends and Peter's like, dude, last night I decapitated my sister and he was just like, open up for the banana boat, big dog.

Banana boat's coming.

Your sister's head's covered in it.

Banana boat time.

Oh boy.

Just one Oscar.

What's the cigarette?

Is this cigarette?

That's the cigarette dipped in cocaine.

That's the banana boat.

Yeah.

Well, he only smokes bowls, but still.

Just one Oscar who gets it.

Colette, right?

Tony, yeah.

Yeah.

I think so.

Probably unanswerable questions.

Do you get what you deserve if you do a seance?

I think is an unanswerable question that deserves to be mentioned.

I have a lot of questions about the Eight Kings of Hell.

Me too.

Do they divide?

territory and conquer?

Do they work together?

Are there little factions within the Eight kings?

Why do we need eight?

Do you think like the other seven were like, I don't want to live in Utah?

Yeah, give that to Bob.

Give it to Bob.

No, Bob's got the, he's got that whole side of the country, whole West Coast.

These are good questions.

I don't have the answers.

You're well studied on Satanism.

I think that,

what does that mean?

I've watched a lot of movies about it.

I do wonder about what

the seven other kings are up to.

And also like on the orc chart, where's Peyman?

You know, like how many interesting tongues of management below satan is he yeah is he more of a head of content or more of an editorial director that's right yeah is he a director of player personnel is he gm yeah is he

executive vice president

owner son more of an editor at large you know like he's gonna roams

um that's not funny we did everything else uh yeah i was just also like

at the end of the movie when joni is kind of like bring us good fortune and and good familiars.

I'm just curious what Payman's, like, what does Payman do the next day?

I guess this is.

That's what I'm saying.

I want to see the reign of Payman.

I want to see like how he enacts his power when he's in Peter's body.

Do you think Ariaster thought about a possible like cult sex scene and cut it out?

Because it was too much for

return.

If you've seen Midsummer, you know that that's true.

It feels like that's where he got it out.

Best double feature choice.

The Ice Storm.

I had Exorcist 3 just to shout Exorcist 3 out.

It's a really good possession movie.

Yeah.

Well, Craig did note that I had the ultimate double feature with the Jets game last night, that there could not be

two more demonic possessions, more powerful.

But I think the move, the reason that I think this movie is funny is I think it's really, even though he doesn't cite it, I think it's really, really connected to Rosemary's Baby, which is like a harrowing and scary movie, but also kind of hilarious.

And especially the final scene of Rosemary's Baby is very funny.

Yeah.

And I think he's trying to operate in a similar register.

So I would pick that movie.

He's got his father's eyes.

Bang!

Andy Red said, What new award?

What happened the next day?

We talked about like what's, did Payman go to school the next day?

I think is it like Boy in the Plastic Bubble?

I think he's out.

I was mostly obsessed with the idea of like what happens when like the gardener comes over.

Hey,

I'm seeing multiple decapitated bodies up in the tree.

Is that a fertilizer thing.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

I'm going with nothing, which I think is the first time I've ever answered that.

I think Peter's nose padding has become like a Halloween costume.

The miniatures are pretty cool.

I'm good.

I don't want anything from this movie.

I don't want any of its stink on the movie.

You don't want the Joni's chalkboard?

Nothing.

What if you could have the telephone pole implanted in front of your home?

No.

Okay.

Nothing.

Not one thing.

That would be awesome if that was the only Halloween decoration you had was the hereditary photo just people posing with their head next to oh my god

coach finstock award best life lesson bring it epi pen

how about move out if your mom tried to kill you with paint thinner and then was like oh my bad

i'm out

move i'm going to uncle bob's house or whoever i'm out it sounds like the entire family was down bad so because uncle bob was dead

i think i think one of the lessons is um i can't go to uncle bob's house He's killed himself.

It's important to build a strong community.

Like, I feel like the cultists did a good job.

Like, they actually just executed on the plan really well in this movie.

And they also saw the long game.

Yeah, they were very patient.

Now, that is an unanswerable question we forgot to mention, which is, why did they wait so long to try to make the shift from Charlie to Peter?

That's unaddressed.

I don't know what the answer is.

Maybe they wanted Peter to hit a certain level of maturity.

That's how I feel about Drake May.

Would you breastfeed Drake May?

Please answer.

Either on Russian.

Russian payment or Drake May.

Let's take our time.

I know Mayo's not the long-term coach for him, but let's just try not to get him here.

You're already out.

Yeah.

You think you're going to be able to get Ben Johnson in the offseason?

I don't want Ben Johnson.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

I don't want to play Carl.

What?

What do you want?

Mayo's not going anywhere.

We get three years of Mayo.

Okay.

Seems like you're really excited about it.

It's going to be terrible.

Who won the movie?

Ariaster.

100% Ariaster.

Ariaster.

I thought you would say A24.

That would be a good answer.

I think they were kind of already off and running by the time this movie came around.

But

I don't know if you've even seen Bo is Afraid, but Bo is Afraid is such a crazy movie that was made because of the success of this movie.

That like it is so unusual because that movie cost $35.

That's like a blank check movie.

It's a crazy thing that he pulled off of that movie.

And it's because this movie did so well.

So I think because of that, he got to get this three-movie run of weirdness.

And now next year, he's got Western Eddington.

That's his next movie.

I think you guys are right.

Shout out to Tony Colette, though, because I feel she needed this for the IMDb.

She's awesome.

Well, this is going to get dark again because we're going to ask producer Craig, who hates horror movies, what he thought, Hereditary.

I think this movie is sick and it's for sickos.

And I don't think this movie should exist.

And I think Ari Astor should be in jail.

He shouldn't be allowed to direct any more movies.

Did you think it was funny?

No.

this is this was the most horrifying i've ever seen in my life and we shouldn't make movies like this this is not good for so you haven't seen midsummer yet no and i won't man unless you make me i won't

um people shouldn't see these types of movies that's my take midsummer in the first eight minutes is is like seriously man what the

yeah And it works.

Midsummer's opening act might be sadder than the end of Hereditary.

Yes.

I had a feeling you you were going to like a great wait was this your first watch of this movie yeah he was like watching it in the office like when i came in he was just like i'm not really paying attention to this i can't do it i yeah i've been forced to watch more horror movies because of the rewatchables than i've seen in my life like 10 times the i've probably seen i like movies like the shining and sounds of the lambs yeah i as you were talking about at the start of the show that's kind of in a different bucket yeah this type of horror movie i actually think should not be you probably have a worker's comp claim at this point it's an hr violation yeah do you think a movie can be genuinely evil

Well, I mean, we talked about that with Poltergeist, which had some weird shit happen to it.

The Exorcist is probably the closest.

I think that really fucked with people.

Yeah.

And even now, like people go to the stairs and they get freaked out by it.

It's probably the closest, right?

What do you think?

Yeah, like when I think of the Exorcist, obviously there's a lot of terrifying things that happen in Reagan's room, but the things that I'm most scared of is very similar to the stuff I'm most scared of in this movie, like the spinal tap.

Like when the spinal tap is happening in the exorcist, and you're just like, we don't know it's a supernatural film, really.

We just think that there's something really wrong with this girl.

And they show us that, like, the medical world can't solve it, even going to the farthest reaches of science.

The same thing is true in this movie, like when you're, when she's in the therapy scene or when they're at the funeral and she's giving the eulogy.

And she's like, my mother was a cold woman or whatever.

It's like she had secrets.

It's so interesting seeing all of these new faces.

And you're just like, God, this is fucking upsetting.

Yeah.

And I do think there's something in in this movie that is kind of ineffably dark that sticks with you.

I would like to see a hereditary sequel that had Payman versus Pazuzu from Exorcist.

Oh.

Two of the Greats.

Little Bird Jordan.

Hereditary 8, Payman versus Pazuzu.

That would be pretty good.

I do wonder if I could condition myself how many horror films I would need to watch where I started to like them, you know?

I think you're either in or out.

You're also watching them in not ideal circumstances.

But I'm doing that on purpose.

I would never put this movie on at 10 p.m.

on a Saturday night.

So you weren't given these movies as a kid?

No.

Because I think that's really the key.

Given by my parents?

Yeah.

Like you have to watch like

you have to be indoctrinated.

It's kind of like how Peter's family indoctrinated him into the depths of hell.

Yeah, if under the age of 10, you're shown something that is gateway and fucked up, you're more likely to be interested.

That's why I showed my kids Halloween before they were six.

That was actually an act of love.

Don't you think think we've gotten too, the filmmaking is too authentic, it's too good now.

Exorcist and Halloween

and Poltergeist,

the way they're filmed, the way they look, they're palatable.

Well, you're just saying that because like that's like an earlier time.

But like when you're watching Hereditary, you're like, this could be my family.

Yes.

Yeah.

And I know that in the moment when they watched Exorcist, they didn't feel like it was dated.

However, I don't think we will look back on Hereditary 30 years from now and say, this filmmaking style is dated.

This doesn't look real.

I disagree.

Really?

Yeah, because I think like my version of that, I've talked about this before, is Scream.

And Jack's wearing the Scream t-shirt right now.

Scream, I was 14 when it came out.

And when it came out, even though that's a super self-aware and funny movie, I was scared out of my wits watching that movie.

And you might have said that that movie is so different from Halloween, but just like each generation, the movies change a little bit.

The energy, the tone changes, the way that it looks changes a little bit.

But that's what I mean when I say, like, if you see this at a young age, the whole genre will like stick to you forever.

And if you don't see them at a young age or you're, you know, shielded from them, it's impossible to get involved at like 25 in horror movies.

I agree with that.

I just think Hereditary will be scary 30 years from now for somebody who watches it for the first time.

Yeah.

But Halloween or the Exorcist, you don't think the Exorcist would be scary in 30 years?

I still don't know.

I'm saying I don't think the Exorcist is scary right now for a 25-year-old in the way that Hereditary was.

Yeah, because it's been, it's like pro wrestling.

It's like Jimmy Snowkood.

jumping off the top rope seemed amazing in 1982.

We've reached a level of filmmaking

where

it aging worse, the curve has slowed.

We talked about this when we did the Exorcist pod.

I don't know how many years ago that was, that how dated it was, but it was still fucking scary.

Yeah, but it was just scary.

And we were lining up for the Exorcist the same way.

I mean, it's not that dissimilar from when we were talking about Blair Witch, where it's like there is a almost suspension of disbelief to the point of like, did this happen?

And people were watching Exorcist and having their like worldview changed.

I think there's a small piece of the puzzle too, which is like, you don't, you're never going to see the Exorcist for the first time on a big screen at this point.

And most of these movies that we're talking about, when you see them at a young age, you're seeing them in that environment.

Like you guys are having the Blair Witch conversation, and you guys both saw it probably at the same screening in the same movie theater.

It's crazy.

And that was CR might have been in the same place like four times in the late 90s, early 2000s.

Right.

It's very possible.

They could make it when Harry met Sally about us, you know.

It's like there's Bill or CR both at the model and all of that.

It's kind of someday we'd find each other.

And you did.

CR, great to see you.

Sean, great to see you.

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