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This is our last edition, and I wanted to do Halloween for

the return of Michael Myers.

And there's a lot of reasons why, but let's play the trailer first.

10 years ago, Halloween, evil had a shape.

Terror had a night.

And now he's back.

Six bodies cherry.

That's what I've seen.

And I tell you, Michael Myers is here in this town.

Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers.

He's come home to kill.

Halloween 4, Rated R starts Friday, October 21st at theaters everywhere.

All right, CR and Vanner here.

How do you keep a horror movie franchise going?

After you've murdered the protagonist of the movie.

This was a question of the 80s.

There's money at stake.

We fucked up.

We shouldn't have ended that last movie that way.

What do we do?

And in the 80s and the early 90s, the answer was, ah, fuck it.

Maybe they won't remember what we did.

Let's bring it back.

And that's Halloween 4.

We had a much different relationship to franchises.

We had a lot fewer questions back then.

Really, no question.

We had no internet.

We had no podcasts.

We had no real analysis.

We didn't hold things against people.

We weren't re-watching stuff a million times.

Somehow he lived.

Ban, he was stabbed in the eye with a wire hanger.

He was shot 11 times.

He was shot in both eyes at the end of Halloween, too.

Both eyes.

Done.

Blind.

Just flailing around.

Blown up.

Burned to death.

Burned to death.

Saw it.

Saw the mask burning.

Then went in a 10-year coma, even though he's already dead.

Kept all of his muscle and his eyesight.

Much like Steven Seagal in, I think it was above the law.

Hard to kill.

Hard to kill.

Hard to kill.

In a coma, but it's immediately.

Hard to kill.

Yeah, a a lot of acupuncture, though.

Killer Brock brings him back to life.

He still knows how to drive, even though he never learned because he'd been locked up since age six.

He still knows how to get everywhere with no map and no navigation system and still knows how to turn off electricity phones and power lines.

Yeah.

He's back, baby.

This.

So with a lot of these guys, they started as slashers and then they turned supernatural.

Yeah.

But they always give you an explanation as to why they turn supernatural.

It always is in Halloween.

They never do.

I was asking

they get into it in six.

In six.

Well, the four, five, six are called the Thorn trilogy, where they try to come up with this supernatural mythology behind mythology around Myers.

And let's just say it did not work.

I mean, you watch him, and he is.

I mean, he's like, he's got the instincts, right?

Like, I'm looking at him, and he actually should have like

played football.

Like Drake May.

Yeah, he's got the instincts.

It's like, look at him scramble.

Look at buyers.

Look at him navigate the roof.

This guy has it all.

You know, he steps up in the pocket.

He steps up in the house.

He steps up behind something.

He's behind somewhere.

He's come through the forehead.

He knows exactly the way to kill.

You give him something, he turns it into a kill.

You give him, it stabs it through.

You blunt.

Give him any object.

Yeah, if he's at a garage, he's going to use the tools he's got.

Shotgun?

What do I do with this?

I have an idea.

Take you, throw you into the electricity, and

you end up burnt up in the whole nine.

i think you bring up a really good point though which is that this franchise in particular but you could make the argument for a bunch of the things that came out in 1988 which was a banner year for late period horror franchises and shameless sequels yeah we had nightmare on elm street uh four the dream master we had uh friday the 13th part seven the new blood we also had halloween four obviously and then they kicked off child's play and uh hellraiser 2 happened that year so it was a lot of the big banner horror movies we run our franchises so much differently now, like where it's just this meticulous Easter egging and connections and everything's building up to this.

And Halloween's the one that I kind of wish we could have had a do-over on.

I couldn't agree more.

Even though I love so many of these movies and even have a huge soft spite for Spot for 3.

Yeah.

If they had been like, how do we want to roll this out over the years?

I think it would just be like unquestionably the heavyweight champ of all time horror franchises.

You know what happened?

Friday the 13th, would you say it was the seventh one in 1988?

So the first one was 1980.

So think about that.

They're basically making one a year.

And in each one, the guy dies, but then somehow comes back.

And probably the Halloween producers at some point were like, what are we doing?

There's

money out there.

Let's bring Myers back.

Well, we can't.

He burned to death and got shot in both eyes.

They're like, ah.

You know what we've lost?

And they just did it.

You know what we've lost in the movies now?

We don't have the desire now to necessarily kill the demon at the end of the movie.

Yeah.

The horror movies now seem to be more about how the people that are in the horror movies escape their torment.

Yes.

Rather than how they thwart the demon thing at the end.

Because even like Scream, right?

It's almost as if Ghostface is a totem, a mantle that different people will pick up when they need to kind of it lives forever.

But whereas Michael Myers, Freddie, Jason, these these are dudes.

They pretty much in Scream did the thing that as an amateur

internet sleuth of unproduced Halloween screenplays and summaries of those screenplays, Scream pretty much does what a couple of the Halloween movies that didn't get made by Carpenter and others suggested, which was that it's not Michael Myers who just keeps getting up out of the mine shaft or out of the explosion.

It's this evil that like will infect different people in different ways.

And sometimes they can wear the mask or sometimes they can just which I think is what they try to do at the end of this movie because she has a moment with Myers.

It's the trick.

It's one of the best moments of the franchise.

And they, they just, they just like basically skip it or not skip it, but they rewrite it in five.

Because it's a big, that's a big swing.

Oh my God.

It's a gigantic swing.

Useless, most useless person in any horror franchise ever.

Loomis.

Just ridiculously useless.

Are we doing this now?

Oh, God.

Come on.

Always hatred.

Always, always.

Does Loomis replace Vincent Chase?

Wow.

One of the most, a dude who essentially exists just to warn people and not really do shit about it.

Yeah.

You've never seen anything like this.

You're going to help us out?

I will be getting a donut.

He's kind of like the Myers hype man.

It's like Bundini Brown for Myers.

This guy's a killing machine.

You don't understand what he is.

I think a lot of that is like,

what can Donald Pleasance feasibly do?

You know what I mean?

He can walk into rooms and be like, Michael Myers is back.

But like, they can't have him do like kung fu against Michael Myers.

I get it.

But should he be testifying before the Senate?

Hold on.

Cause like I had so many questions

about where Dr.

Loomis' jurisdiction begins and ends.

Right.

Yeah.

Well, the big thing with Loomis,

it's autopilot.

I'm getting paid in cash, Dr.

Loomis, in this one.

Where every line that he's ripping off, it just feels like

he's just like, all right, fine.

we're not talking about a normal prisoner hoffman talking about evil on two legs

he's a man he's evil but just say he he's not even his heart's not even in anymore like you think when we did the halloween pod originally a couple years ago we talked about like he had these brilliant monologues in it and he just these ways of spinning stuff and he was like

i looked in his eyes blackest eyes the devil's eyes and we're like oh shit yeah myerson now and then this he's just evil on two legs i want to ask why you like this one because i have my reasons but i'm curious because i think this is you you you talked about it on guest the lions yeah as like a comedy almost and there are some funny parts of it but i find i think this is a really effective i think it's got some really scary scenes it's on cable a lot it almost other than halloween one is probably the most rerun movie.

I'm sure it's going to be on AMC and all these other ones over the next couple of days.

Super easy to watch.

It doesn't really have any dead spots.

It's ridiculous, but not like completely over the top ridiculous.

I really like how charismatic Myers is in this.

I wrote down some things I enjoyed.

How he climbs and walks the roof Undertaker style, like when the Undertaker used to walk on the top rope.

He drives a truck from the gas station.

He's like, fuck it.

Maybe in, maybe in the mental hospital.

I don't know.

Maybe they learned how to like do stick shit.

Yeah, he learned how to release the clutch.

I like when he does, he kills the guy, and then he does, he gets in the recliner and pretends he's the guy.

This little subterfuge for his burden.

He's really, he's gone to the next level.

He, he, I like when he tosses the furniture out of the way when he's in the attic.

He's just like throwing boxes.

Um, and the pickup truck move when he hides under the pickup truck, pulls up, climbs, throws all those guys out,

throws the windshield.

Like, it's some really good athletic Meyer stuff.

So I'm saying, I got him.

I think he did well in the combine this year.

That's he's the Aaron Donald of slashers.

Right.

He can throw.

He can explode.

He can beat the double team mentally.

The Aaron Donald of slashers.

I like physics.

First of all, I care about this one because this is the first one that I ever saw.

This is the first Halloween movie I ever saw.

And to me, this one is a very pure representation of who Myers is.

He's just a force.

He wants to kill this little girl.

You don't even really need to know the reason why he needs to kill.

He just is.

He just is, and he will not be stopped.

And everybody else just kind of gets gets caught in the way of his vendetta against this one person for one reason and is going to have a high body.

Well, the other thing, Chris, is I like, you know, the big theme of this is this kid comes from Haddenfield and kills his sister.

It becomes this legendary story in the town.

And then he comes back in 1978 and kills a bunch of babysitters, a bunch of people.

Now it's like he's like basically Aaron Rodgers against the Bears in the.

2000s, 2007.

He's kind of fouled.

Multi-that's a lot of foul on here, but yeah.

Yeah, like just it's like he owns Haddenfield.

And even when they have Halloween every year, he's still kind of his shadow's kind of lurking.

Yes.

So as soon as it's like clear that he might come back, you have this vigilante mob who's just getting drunk at some bar and they're like, oh, boom.

And they're fucking out and they're trucks with guns.

Like, I like the idea of somebody tormenting a town like that.

Yeah.

And I also think that they do a really good job in this movie in a subtle way.

This movie's not so subtle in some other ways, but the

idea that like Haddenfield field is the real star of this franchise and that like what like when this town starts to forget even though it's filmed in salt lake city yes

had infield quote unquote but what

sleeves dumped on the street

why couldn't they go back to the original place what the i don't know tax credits uh the idea that basically like as soon as this town forgets like even with the sasha jensen character brady yeah and she's like you remember michael myers and he's like who's that like it's 10 years ago he would have been like you know seven years old but he's like grown up in a world where that's like kind of an urban legend.

I love the idea that they keep going back to this and that, like, the town is somehow culpable of it.

And it happens in multiple movies where a girl will be running up the streets, like, screaming, help, help, and nobody comes out of their houses.

Like, there is some like, it's the town's fault.

I'm telling you, he's here.

He's in this town.

I like what you said there about.

the missed opportunities.

You said it like three, four minutes ago about like, if we could just go back in time and redo this franchise correctly, I feel like it's unassailably the best one.

Yeah.

Even like if they, they even fucked up with this, like they probably should have created a new Myers heading to four.

They're like, fuck it, let's bring him back.

It's worth it.

But the little girl, like, I feel like that for Halloween five with the little girl, like they could have just.

gone that direction with what maybe she becomes Michelle Myers.

And there has been basically like there was a script or at least a pitch of Jamie is now the evil.

And it's like, how are we going to extract the evil from Jamie or is this like a disease that she has and like there there is Jamie the killer ideas floating out there I think what you basically get is the first two so obviously Carpenter does the first one it's this iconic never-to-be-repeated masterpiece yeah then you have two which is made by a Carpenter disciple and very much like Carpenter is involved in that movie and Dan likes that one because it's just a lot of nudity and going crazy but I also like it he essentially that's like an extension of John Carpenter right he taps that guy to do it.

He doesn't want to do it.

He has some other things.

The mythology behind the series, to me, is

as interesting as the movies themselves.

Yes.

And then so three happens.

Which I had never seen until I had never seen it ever.

Well, I watched it this weekend when I was watching this one, and I kind of like what they did.

And for me, 50%.

Well, I liked it.

First of all, I love like those types of horror films.

I've talked about them a lot, but like, I like the fact that they tried to get away from it.

They tried to do something.

They tried to do something different and they tried to come up with an idea of like what if halloween could be essentially an umbrella that we could throw all these like horror ideas under right and for me 51 of why i like these movies is michael and like the strode family drama and all that stuff but 49 of it is vibes that's why i hate five is because it feels the least vibey consistently i do like seeing them float down the river at the beginning but after that but that almost feels like footage from four that they used you know what i mean like five is like more or less like it looks like they shot in fresno it just doesn't have any like halloween feel like the town doesn't feel like had and field but this one actually like especially the opening credit sequence in four is just like super halloween

you made this point in the halloween pod we did that

It's one of like how many movies that you have to watch at a specific time every year.

Like we talked about it extensively about like I've watched Halloween every year.

I've started making my kids watch it when they were five.

We went to the Halloween houses.

Five.

Oh, yeah.

I would just the two scenes that you can't watch, we would just skip over them.

My wife and I watch horror movies together.

I told her I was doing four.

She was like, I love four.

She was a kid when she saw them.

So Daniel Harris was like, she was closer to Daniel Harris's age than she was Jamie Lee Curtis's or whatever.

So she has like this soft spot, especially for four.

But we were watching four.

And as soon as it comes on and it's like.

the ghost hanging from the tree,

the pumpkins, the weird fields, the leaves blowing.

She's like, I feel like so Halloweened out right now.

Like I'm so in the zone.

And this movie immediately put me there.

Perfect because it's the sound of the movie.

There's a couple Christmas movies, right?

Like Christmas Vacation, Home Alone.

Some people have diehard, even though it's not a Christmas movie.

Home Alone, um, 34th Street.

I mean,

I'm old, so it's a wonderful life.

I still will watch, and all of that stuff like that.

Yeah, but there's not that many.

It's this time of year.

We always said Jaws at the beginning of the summer.

It felt like right around July.

Yeah, yeah.

It's time to watch.

Uh, what was the mayor's name?

Brody.

No, not Brody.

It's uh

the

with it.

We compared in the first pot we did, we compared the Mayor Vaughn.

Mayor Vaughn?

Yeah, Mayor Vaughn.

We compared Mayor Vaughn to the sheriff in Halloween 1.

Because Loomis is just like, look, this guy, he's got the blackest eyes ever.

He's Satan.

He's evil.

He's come to kill everybody.

And the guy's like, more fancy talk.

He's just like not listening to him at all.

Doesn't put the word out.

I like this one there.

The sheriff in this one is just like, oh, shit.

A man of action.

Yeah.

I like this movie because, and I've always felt this way.

You can watch this movie and like however way you want to like i can watch this movie as a comedy and me and my brother we used to every luma scene is hilarious every luma scene and every every kelly meeker scene is incredible and oftentimes when michael myers pops up it's kind of funny yeah it's like when michael myers like they're running around and i'm like oh my god michael mike has no emotion yeah mike is just like i'm back bitch yeah like he just and every when he he pops up sometimes and it's it's so funny they're so helpless yeah and they're they're so scared he's showing no emotion there's nothing that they can do when when the when old boy from days and confused is trying to load the gun yeah when brady's trying to load the gun i'm dying laughing it's so funny i'm like brady you're bro yeah like we're like brady run just give him your head so he's twisted brady you need to run like you're if you stay here and brady is up that scene is the i kill is so funny because you're like oh he's going over the railing he's definitely going over the railing.

He's going to throw him over the railing.

He's like, nope, he's just going to crunch his.

I always felt like there was a copycat thing they could have done.

Yep.

Where Myers dies, but somebody became obsessed with the murder.

That's what's going to be satisfied with the new Michael Myers.

That's kind of what Halloween 456 is.

You know what they get?

They get caught in between because essentially what you could do is you could have just made Halloween over and over again.

And honestly, I would go.

And the producer of this movie, Mustafa Akkad, like he,

I think, is obviously like, uh, like, probably a,

given the amount of scripts that get thrown out, a difficult person to work for.

But on the other hand, is like, this is what Halloween is.

And this is what Halloween movies should be.

And this is why people keep coming back to them.

And the reason is, is that like, you have a guy terrorizing a babysitter.

And it's like, essentially, they create that.

They have a new Halloween setup in this movie, but they also are getting pulled to like, I think Loomis is the thing that it's like, he's the one who remembers all of the movies.

So every time you have Loomis in there, he's like, he's back.

Yeah.

His eyes, you know, like, shut up eight times.

But it's almost like you could just keep making Friday the 13th over and over again.

And it's like another group of kids go to Camp Crystal Lake and have no idea what they're getting into.

But also, they're in, which is interesting at this time, they're in a franchise war as well.

They're in a franchise war

against Friday the 13th.

They're in a franchise war.

They got young upstarts, Hellraiser is coming along.

Later on, the leprechaun is going to come in.

They're in a franchise race against these big, huge

horror movies.

And the mythology of the one dude is like super important to all of those guys.

You know what I mean?

So you were a Myers guy.

Sure.

Over Jason?

Yes.

Over Freddy?

Yes.

The only competition for me is Leatherface.

Krueger, to me, was the funniest.

He was the most terrifying.

Like I was.

Telling Chris outside the

Freddy scene where he's telling the people that they can't kill him.

Yeah.

And he cuts all of his fingers off.

I've been stabbed, shot, vad, vlada, and I just keep coming back.

He just was the man.

He was the most charismatic out of all of them, but he was also the most verbose.

The other guys didn't really talk.

Myers checked the most boxes.

He didn't talk, though.

Super horny, always.

Staying back to Halloween one.

I think it really starts when he was like...

Six and the premature ejaculator came over to hook up with his sister, and that really launched him into complete chaos.

Um,

you mentioned the guy from Dazed and Confused, Sasha Jensen, who played Don Dawson.

Um,

it's hilarious that he's in this movie.

It's like this, there's Paul Rudd is in six.

Get some of the cameos are death is in

nightmare.

No, death's in nightmare.

No, I know.

I'm saying, like, when you watch these movies, and someone like legitimately either big or like was in a much better film, Kevin Bacon, yeah, Friday, yeah, yeah, and you're sharding it.

I can't believe this is happening.

So this movie, when it came out, I remember

my buddy Jeff, who was, you know, best man at my wedding.

We loved the Halloween movies.

And we thought these were done.

And then I was in college.

He was in college.

All of a sudden, the trailer came out.

We were like, oh, my God.

So we saw it same day and then had a call after.

We were like a little disappointed.

It was good, but we were like, ah, why didn't they do this?

What do you think you didn't like about it?

Was it the I think our hopes were just too.

But then it had been some time since you had seen Michael myers in a while yeah it had been since 81 right so seven years and we really had high expectations the trailer was better than the movie and we were really disappointed in loomis who just it was a little bit of a mail-in job by pleasance but then as the years passed it really grew on me and i think if you're gonna do the lineage correctly you probably go one two h2o

the 2018 one.

You're probably good with those four, but I still defend Halloween four.

Yeah, I go one, two,

four.

Not in my ranking but just like if you wanted to watch

how it should go and i one two four and then maybe h2o and then you should definitely watch three because it's just such a cool idea the problem with four is they kill off laura strode

and they don't explain it

so she was 18 in halloween one

um 21 in halloween two and somehow had a kid like right after that but then they make it seem like she died so yeah car crash right is that what they said to us i think so

Childbirth, death, drugs, parachute didn't open possibility.

Yeah.

DUI, I don't know.

But I don't know how four can relate to H2O if she's dead in four.

Any of those things.

In H2O, she said, like, it's like she faked her death and like got a new identity.

Any of those things.

But I don't know what happens with Jamie.

I could blame Myers for.

I could blame Myers for getting her liquored up.

Yeah.

I could blame Myers for doing the Freddy thing, I guess.

Yeah.

Any of those things, Myers could all be behind it.

H2O was my favorite for a long time because I was like, I was in high school and had, was it Cool Rappers Randy?

Was the Rhymes?

That's the one that's like the Big Brother house.

You're thinking of LO Cool J and H2O.

H2O.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So like, which is right in that teen movie era of Scream, and I know he did last summer H2O.

And then she's back.

She's back in Michelle Williams, isn't it?

Michelle Williams.

So it's like, that's another great actor in Ohio.

And there's a great, there's a couple of really great kills in H2O.

H2O is good.

Yeah, I like it.

I like H2O.

Anyway, there's belated respect for this movie, and I think people now seem to feel like this is probably the best slasher movie of the mid-late 80s.

Do you know what this watching this movie basically does is it's the closest I get

to like the feeling I had when I would sneak into horror movies when I was a kid.

Yeah.

Where like I didn't have very high expectations.

I kind of wanted to see some sex and violence and cheap frills.

And then you go and you sit down and you watch this and you get, you just start laughing the second it's like only two people are picking up Michael Myers at the asylum.

You know, it's just like, we're in for it, man.

Like, not a SWAT team, not a prison convoy.

This guy's responsible for 20 kills.

Also, I had this for nitpicks later.

Like, why was he being transferred out there?

He's got a transfer.

Prison talks about that.

We can get to it.

But I say, the second it starts.

They're like, leave him in the fucking wherever he is now where he's not going to be.

But it's a dark and stormy night at a mental institution.

And I'm like, this is great.

This is such a great B-movie experience.

Also, this passes the Craig Korlbeck test.

It's like 90 minutes.

Might even be less.

88, I think.

88, yeah.

It just cruises through.

He gets it done.

There's no extra scenes.

So the Thorn trilogy.

Craig, did your dad have a cops do it by the book t-shirt?

If he didn't, I would be very upset.

Oh, I can't wait to talk about that.

Did you fill it out as well?

I don't think so.

The Thorn trilogy was basically that Michael was a victim of the curse of Thorn, which is shown in Halloween 5.

There's a guy who shows up intermittently in 5, a man in black who has a wrist tattoo that's like an old rune, and it's the Thorn cult cult.

It's this cult that basically said, if this person doesn't destroy his whole family, then all of us are going to die.

So we need this person to just keep executing everybody.

He's the whole cult dies.

Yeah.

Right.

And it was really stupid.

People didn't like it.

And by the time we got to H2O, we were like, let's start over.

We fucked this up.

$5 million budget made $17.8 million.

Roger Rebert, no review.

Yeah, didn't touch this, like not on his TV show.

No review or

I couldn't find it.

Oh, I checked out Chat GBT and they told me that Roger Ebert was notably critical of Halloween 4.

Yeah, and that in his review, he called it a cynical retread of the original movie.

Oh, don't do this, man.

No, I this is a trendy.

There's a cursed category.

Yeah, apparently, there was a review, it's just not online.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, okay.

So, this is so somehow chat GBT knew the review, um, but thought it was a cynical retread of the original murder.

I don't like it.

I don't like this.

Yeah, it's this new thing.

It's like, let's just, because he's going to have the thing is, it starts here.

He's going to have like chat GP Chris and Chat GP Sean and Chat GP Van.

And it'll be like

Bill in like his house somewhere.

And it'll be like,

one of us will be like, oh, we can't make 1230.

And Bill's like, never mind.

I know someone who can.

Chat GP Van can do it.

Starts wearing turtlenecks and talking about the new technological frontier here at Tharinger.

Well, it said, it also said Raj was super attracted to the sheriff's daughter.

I don't know if that's true.

Chat GPT.

That's not true.

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The opening scene, the credits and all that stuff is just great.

Yeah.

I love it.

It's very, they just

Dwight H.

Little, director of this movie, apparently did a lot of research on like Halloween traditions and fall, autumn harvest traditions and just nailing it.

Great stuff.

There's a really good YouTube series called Halloween Atmospheres, which is essentially like hour-long ASMR videos of like

Halloween scenes, not Halloween, the movie scenes, but like scenes around Mike America.

And it's just like this.

It's great.

Reminds me of Hoosiers, but the evil version.

Yeah, Evil Hoosiers.

The next

we'd done this franchise properly, we could have made evil Hoosiers.

Evil Hoosiers would have been great.

Yeah.

See, Myers could have gone to a basketball game and just started killing people.

He hates the three-point line.

That's like because he lost money on fan.

To me, Hoosiers is evil.

Well, that's another podcast.

That's a different podcast.

Next scene.

is transferring a dangerous patient for no real reason at all.

All right, let's move him.

Watch it.

I got the

I can safely say that Michael Myers is now in your hands.

Yeah, well, I guess you're happy to see him go.

Locked and loaded.

Now let's roll.

We get the Halloween music here.

So let's give the kid cutting pursuit happiness award for best needle drop to that.

But we got pouring rain.

He's put in the back of an ambulance with two doctors and no chains to the bed.

He's had a handcuff to the bed.

They don't give a fuck.

These people are dead.

They're like, hey, you hear he has a niece?

She's like, whoa.

Yeah, like.

And when I'm watching that scene, I'm trying to think, well, if you've never seen it, who's going to die?

Yeah.

Because of the gross negligence of these people.

Well, it's also strange because in that scene, this is a nitpick, but everybody seems to be referring to his atrophied body and his lack of muscles.

You can't do anything.

Why don't they just check?

I mean, like, it's not like he's shriveled up underneath that sheet and then fills back out again.

It's a lack of fear.

It's a weird thing where they're just like, yeah, man, he's all dust and bones anyway.

Let's get him out of here.

Good finger through the forehead, murder.

Yep.

Really, you really have to.

You got to push.

Like, think how strong your forehead is.

That's what I'm saying.

Keep going.

Really got to to get in there.

I like the scene with Jamie has the nightmare with multiple Myers

gets pulled under the bed.

I was like a good pull under the bed from a horror movie.

It's also nice.

It's a nice trope in horror movies where it's like the nightmare that becomes real.

Yeah.

Gas station, that whole scene's great.

Michael with the bandaged face.

How do we feel about that?

Did you just run the whole movie that way?

Yes, I would have.

No mask?

Bandage face, Michael?

I think they could have broken with tradition there.

And just like defeat the iconography of the the mask itself.

Yeah, I think it would have worked.

It's also like there's a couple of scenes where it's like a different mask.

You know, like he's got blonde hair in one scene.

He's got brown hair in another.

It's just like, just give him, give him the bandages.

It would have been sick.

Michael, why now?

Michael gets to drive a truck and kill some people.

We get autopilot Loomis warning the sheriff.

Are you talking about Jamie Lloyd?

Wherever she is, that little child is in mortal danger.

Myers has been locked up since before she was born.

He's never laid eyes on her.

Six bodies.

Sheriff, that's what I've seen between here and Richmond.

A filling station in flames.

I tell you, Michael Myers is here in this town.

He's here to kill that little girl and anybody who gets in his way.

A filling station in flames!

Just really going for it.

We have Myers kills Brawless Girl in the most phallic way possible, then kills Guy from Dazed and Confused.

Oh, you really jumped ahead.

Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

You missed a lot of stuff.

What did I miss?

Would you go drugstore?

I think the trick-or-treating night of Jamie getting separated from the group, Rachel seeing Brady in the house with Kelly and Brady just be in the we're not married, you know.

I love that because Rachel's going through a lot of shit.

Yeah, yeah, Rachel walks in there.

First of all, she's lost her baby, babysitting person.

Yes, lost her.

She's lost eight kids.

Her and Brady Brady had a romantic night planned.

It's not happening now.

It all went to shit.

It was going to be that romantic for Brady.

It sounds like Rachel was like,

maybe I could get

her.

No, Brady was trying to fuck.

Yeah.

Well, she didn't realize that.

I don't know.

You don't realize that?

No, Brady.

The cops

loves her shirt.

Cops don't have it.

And it's so funny that Brady's backup.

Cops do it by the book.

Cops do it by the book.

She's like, I know what this guy is.

Also, honestly, Brady like portraits and courage to be like, who am I going to fuck?

The cop's daughter yeah it's like it's like not even you're really gambling with something but this was a very

important theme in 80s late 80s early 90s culture was like the girl who wouldn't give it up to the boyfriend and the other girl who was going to take advantage of this immediately yes this was in tv shows movies galore yeah and rachel's only revenge is to spill a cup of folders on her she throws a coffee she ruins the she ruins a great t-shirt

but honestly at that point kelly knows what's going on.

Like, Michael Myers is on his way.

She should put some pants on.

Yeah.

Kelly's dad is so protective.

Yeah.

He's so protective, right?

Don't touch my daughter.

Don't grow my daughter.

Everybody is.

Don't get my daughter abroad.

Right.

Your daughter's brawlers in a t-shirt.

No pants on.

Hey, dad.

Hi, Sergeant McCluffy.

Like, nobody cares.

Make her put something on.

Well, I like that he fights back against Myers, Don Dawson.

Yeah.

He's like, I like when he spits on him right before his head gets fucking squished.

It's kind of like a great Gardner Minshew just going out there and gaming.

You know, you're outmatched, but you're giving away him.

He's redeeming himself because he's been a douchebag the entire movie.

Tries to shoot the door.

It's metal.

Like,

what does that mean?

We're locked inside.

Doesn't reload the gun.

Stupid.

But he goes out on his shield.

The roof battle is really fun.

Yeah.

I love that.

That's my favorite part.

That's my most re-watchable scene.

I just wrote down,

Myers kills everyone in the truck, then tries to crash the truck, then gets hit by the truck.

And then falls down a mine shaft, then falls into basically hell.

Yeah, and then the shock ending.

No!

No!

Incredible warning.

Did Pleasants was that his Oscar clip, you think?

I think so.

That was his.

And Donald Pleasance for Halloween 4.

Yeah.

Question.

So your favorite's the roof?

My favorite's the roof.

If he doesn't get interfered with right there, does he shoot the child?

I think he does.

I think he's, I think he's

convinced.

I mean, he's just like...

Right move.

Take that kid down.

Yeah.

No jury would convict him.

No jury.

There's nobody convicted.

There's no more peers.

There's like five people left in Hattonfield by this point.

Yeah.

What do you have for a favorite scene?

I'll go with the trick-or-treating night just to mix it up because I really like that atmospherically.

It's also like Rachel losing all those kids and having to run around those dark houses looking for them.

I really like the gas station part.

I think that's my favorite.

Anyway.

What is the relationship real quick between Loomis and Myers?

Loomis.

Well, he was his doctor and he was

his doctor.

I know, I know, but.

There's good deleted scenes in Halloween one where they where he goes in and sees him as a six.

He's like, you food them all, Michael.

But he won't kill Loomis, though, right?

Well, I mean, he tries.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think he would do that.

I thought he had a chance to get him.

Loomis always has a gun.

At the gas station, and he...

That's true.

Loomis is always packing.

One thing, he doesn't have any volume.

He doesn't have any needles or anything like that.

He's always got an overcoat

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What's the most 1988 thing about this movie?

I will give you the gas station pumps, the cash registers,

vigilante mobs,

no cell phones,

or everything that happens with the sheriff's daughter?

I think it's probably the sheriff's daughter.

Okay, well, that leads me to two new categories.

Oh, my God.

Well, one's an old one, the Jamie Lee Curtis Unnecessary Nudity Award, which she wins for that.

But a new category, so honored to be here for this.

The Van Lathan Naughty White Girl Hall of Fame.

Yeah, she's in.

Oh, she's in.

Okay.

I like her.

I didn't know if I needed to make the case.

So can I ask a question?

Is nudity ever, ever unnecessary?

Well, it depends on the.

Is it shoehorned in for the reasons of the world?

You get a lot of like, especially in the 80s, I think unnecessary, like you didn't need the shower.

It was part of...

Yeah.

It was like, hey, did you put the nude sit in?

Yeah, yeah.

It's like the 20th century.

Okay, just wanted to check.

Vacation, the vacation one.

Yeah, when she's showering.

What is the point of that?

I mean, I know the point of that, but I'm going to push back.

Okay.

Okay.

Is nudity entertaining?

I think for the audience of this movie, it's one of the components they needed.

I didn't ask for a Senate subcommittee.

Is nudity entertaining?

Enterting.

I don't know if that's the word I would use.

Is it interesting?

Answer.

So if interesting equals entertaining, you would say yes.

Then therefore, it is necessary.

Okay.

Because we must be entertained.

I think for this movie.

That's why we're watching the movie, baby.

Yeah.

We're watching a movie to be entertained.

And to be honest with you, I think particularly in a horror movie, maybe you have a point with the comedy, but particularly in a horror movie, they need to change your emotion.

They want to keep inciting you, right?

They want to keep inciting you.

They want you to always be on edge, always be on edge.

But then they need to change your emotion.

So they need to bring out a little horny, lower your defenses.

Oh, my God, what's going to happen?

Oh, baby, oh, daddy.

And then they they do that, and then boom, the kill comes right back.

I think it's a useful thing to do, particularly in a horror movie.

It's important to understand the context that in 1988, internet pornography was not invented.

You know, like the mask distribution, Playboy, scrambled cable where you can see it in a bunch for two seconds.

If you were

a young boy, like this was like.

I thought about it.

I would say if you're an adult.

But this woman.

You pil some is the Jeff Gallagher.

I wasn't an adult yet, but it was like, hey,

we're going to have Newtsen in this movie yet?

Yeah, Okay, here we are.

I looked her up.

Went on to marry Lorenzo Lamas.

Yes.

And she no, no, no, that's not true.

She starred on Renegade with Lorenzo Lamas and got fired after making derogatory comments about Lamas's wife.

Wait, she never married Lorenzo Lamas.

I think she was married to him on the show.

Oh, she's been in a couple erotic.

This is how misinformation gets spread.

She might have dabbled in an erotic thriller in an 80s spring break comedy or two.

Our bodies.

She looks like she started the movie.

Her name's Kathleen, Kathleen Kinmot

um

she's first of all one of the better horror movie characters because the moment you see her like oh my god the discount mark here we go and it's like that's her like full-time job I think she's out of high school by that point oh is that true she's older she's in school with them

because they take they do this in Halloween one right it's like Jamie Lee Curtis has these two friends both of them are sexually active they just want to like fuck their boyfriends yeah and Jamie Lee Curtis's character is like the virginal and sexually frustrated one and then those two die and jamie lie curtis they has that whole thing she keeps dropping the knife she's basically doing a little cat and mouse game with michael because they're both sexually frustrated yeah this movie they're like it let's take this to another level

this this is more like a friday the 13th this lady does not wear a bra for maybe 20 minutes of the movie and she's in a cops do it by the book t-shirt and she has this quote to rachel as they have a little fight in the kitchen wise up to what men want rachel Or maybe Brady won't be the last man you lose to another woman.

Oh shit.

Fucking saucy.

Yeah.

She gets killed 10 minutes off.

She also answers the door on trick-or-treat in that outfit, too.

Oh, yeah.

No pants, just a t-shirt.

She's in seduce Brady mode for the entire thing because I could see why she's wearing it.

You know, it's akin to the whipped cream bikini, varsity blue situation.

She wants Brady to be all whatever.

Right.

It's Ali Larson.

But like, what does Brady got going?

He's working at the discount, Mart.

Like, is he supposed to be the quartermaster?

He's got either that or he has Rachel, who's cute, but is wearing like a heavy sweater and eating a bagel.

Yeah.

And just

doesn't seem that interesting.

He is.

But she's like slathering.

Rachel's like, hey,

their parents are going to be gone for 90 minutes.

We can probably use that.

She's doing none of that.

This other girl's like, yo, Brady.

Yeah.

Want to help me trick-or-treat later?

My dad's the only cop left.

How's his mom?

Do some trick-or-treating with me later, and then we'll lock the door and shut the lights off.

Yeah.

what stage the best so she's in the hall of fame i liked her okay

do you want to keep the van layton van layton naughty white girl hall of fame going for future rewatch one i figured you would what's age the best vigilante mobs mention them earlier i have the town turning on itself but that's a really good little moment when he's like when loomis basically starts the lynch mob on purpose and yeah

why did you do that and he's like because like you don't have any cops left yeah smart loomis thinking ahead this is funny that's so funny the moment i saw all the white guys in the lynch mob, I went, I don't like that.

I wasn't saying, I like it.

I'm saying it's a plot, as a plot device.

It's cool.

Seriously,

no, no, no, it is.

And then they killed Ted.

They get Ted.

I thought, you know what?

They probably, those guys are probably sitting on the bottom.

They're probably throwing one black guy in the lynch mob.

Just to offset it a little bit.

They throw one in there.

They throw one black guy in the lynch mob, the Lynch mob would have a different target.

They would, they would, you know, they'd be going for him.

Are there any black people in Haddonfield?

No.

Have they ever...

No.

Has Michael Myers?

Oh, yeah, yeah he killed black people later on but for a while michael myers he hadn't killed any black people i don't think there are black people unless you murder yeah

uh

yeah i thought that that was cool i liked you know i i have a critique of this but i like the idea that these guys just got riled up by the news and that there's some drinks and some some some bush lights you know what it does it deepens the whole lore like what you were saying because they know i can't happen again they're older they get right to work in the david gordon green trilogy there's like a whole like the town basically turns into Jan 6 or something like that.

Like, it's like they all go crazy because of Michael.

They got like a bunch of guns and all kinds of crazy shit.

What's age of the best horror movie set in autumn?

It's a little girl played by Danielle Harris.

Really great little girl horror movie performance.

What's amazing?

I mean, if, if, if, if, yeah, yes,

I like Loomis wading into the water under a bridge to see if Michael was in there.

Dude, but all like the and then hitchhiking right after with a win off

the the mist blowing on that water it's so creepy and hoffman's like ah he's dead you know i forgot i want to see i forgot to mention the hip the hitchhiking scene which is hilarious yeah the kids come on old man come on oh and they with him

oh that i have that for what's in jabs little kids being crazy super mean because we have those kids

grade school kids

jamie's an orphan jamie's an orphan people think phones have made people cruel they've always been cruel yeah yeah i they will always go for it in the horror movies with little kids.

Yeah.

What's the meanest thing we can have them?

What's aged the best?

I also have this in WhatsApp Age the Worst.

Meyer's irrational hatred of dogs.

Sunday.

Took down a dog in one.

Took down a dog in four.

Nice golden retriever.

I think he lets the Doberman live in five.

He lets Zach live.

Yeah.

As soon as...

That's like some sort of German thing.

When you see Sunday,

like, really,

it was the toughest kill.

Because Sunday is like a beautiful, amazing little pup that's like all over the bed.

Well, you know Sunday's fucked, though, from the beginning.

I mean, like that golden retriever is going to fuck with him?

I don't know.

I didn't like that, but Myers.

The lesson of 80s horror movies, if you don't take care of your boyfriend, some other woman will, and then be brutally murdered about nine minutes later.

That was how many movies?

All of them.

That's the entire Friday of the 13th ethos is that all the girls who are loose go first.

Score by Alan

Howorth?

Yeah, and the theme is by Carpenter, though.

But I like in the Halloween movies where they title the songs.

Yeah.

So in this one, there's songs called Jamie's Nightmare, Return of the Shape, and Police Station.

What's the song title for the Kelly and Brady sex scene?

I didn't look that up.

Any other would say it's the best?

No, not really.

You got it all, but I would just add, we were obviously having a lot of laughs.

Like the sense of humor of this movie is pretty great.

the fortune three clap award for most giftable moment is that no no

um great shot gordo meers collapsing in the sink hall i actually have uh it's there's a beginner it's an homage to knight of the hunter when the guy is sitting in the the rocking chair with the shotgun i love that and then it's rachel and then rachel moves out of the way and michael is in deep focus in the background it's a really cool little shot like what when he is there's one where yeah i think that's the same one where she's running away and then he's coming like on the side of the building or whatever yes yeah yeah but it starts with this the sheriff's deputy is in the into the rocking chair and he's like don't worry state police will be here soon yeah that's right right out of night at the hunter

i don't know if i'd feel totally protected with the guy just rocking in a rocking chair i yeah i mean obviously

gonna stand here uh denithy's benny honor award scene stealing location i really like the abandoned gas stations just in general and horror movies there's also a great moment because that place has a bar attached to it and a bunch of pictures of abe lincoln just in case we forgot it's illinois Yeah, yeah.

If there is a abandoned or like downtrodden asylum in a horror movie, that's always my spot.

You like going down.

I like going.

We should start investing in abandoned gas stations and asylums and see what we can do with that.

Whether it's just like we start showing Halloween movies there, drive-ins, getting people soup them up, bring back like the drive-ins.

Do Halloween tours, haunted house situations there in old abandoned.

abandoned.

But you know what will happen?

We'll get fucked up.

It'll turn into just an actual horror movie.

Big Kahuna Burger, where Bessie is the food or drink.

So

the sheriff's daughter, right before she meets her demise, she just makes some coffee for everyone.

And she has these six

cups of coffee.

Like, how much coffee did she make?

Did you ever used to drink instant?

No.

Can you remember ever having it?

No.

I had it when I first started drinking coffee.

No, when I first moved out of my parents' house and it was in Boston, I would make instant coffee because I was like, My family always cared about coffee in the right way.

I was just always curious.

My mom always cared about coffee.

I grew up with a family that prioritized coffee.

That's really, that's a lot, a line you refuse to cross right there.

I just always had good coffee in my life.

I'm not going to apologize.

There was a whole era to me where that was kind of the norm where I almost only saw coffee.

Coffee wasn't a thing going to the coffee shop.

Did you see how much coffee she had, though?

She had six, like, they looked like 16-ounce cups.

I know.

I'm telling you, I'm going to go Galaxy Brain here, way too deep take.

When they do little shit like that, they're like making a little statement.

She's a traditional

show up.

Yeah.

Take care of her, man.

Rachel is like, I don't want to, like, I want to be liberated and all of that type of stuff.

One dies, one lives.

Like, she's, they're making a statement because she makes all of that coffee on

way more fun hang than rachel yeah rachel had a lot going on yeah i would i just

rather oh could i should i just be with this lady the sheriff's daughter who's

fun or

this other lady

who i think rachel probably had a little bit going on upstairs like no but i'm saying like

and her sister is michael myers' niece Well, that's, I mean, Brady doesn't even know who the fuck Michael Myers is.

All right, Butch's girlfriend award, weak link of the film I'll go last if you guys want to go ahead of me I have I feel really strongly about one thing I have one okay uh we talked about this on silence of the lambs about uh

what's the doc the doctor of the asylum in silence of the lambs what's his name the anthony held character and this is the mayor from jaws but it's like when there's a villain that's more villainous than the villain and it starts They start this movie with Dr.

Hoffman, who's just like a giant dick to Loomis, who's freeing Michael Myers, who doesn't think he has any muscle to do.

He's got an attitude about it.

And is like, he's dead.

He's dead.

Don't worry about it.

And then he just leaves the movie.

Yeah.

So I really like that performance in that character.

I just hate that they abandoned it midway through.

Who would have brought it back?

Max Shrek from Batman Returns.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, I'm going, I got to go with Loomis, man.

Loomis fucking pisses me off.

I hate Loomis.

I hate him.

Like, to me, Loomis

makes me sick.

Loomis, it's useless.

Like,

he does.

Like, Loomis is, he's supposed to be this harbinger.

But after a while, like, I blame Loomis for everything that's happening.

I had him for the Vincent Chase award for, are we sure this character was actually good at his job?

Bad psychiatrist, let Umis go multiple times, didn't warn people correctly.

Right.

Halloween one just fucks up over and over again.

He's next to the car, doesn't even realize it for five hours.

My butcher's girlfriend award.

I just don't think Myers, even though they have him doing athletic stuff, I don't think the actor who played the shape,

first of all, he's wearing like padding.

He's wearing like these fucking shoulder pads and he's like kind of doing this.

I didn't feel like he was athletic enough.

Like they should have had like,

I don't know, pick any good athlete from the late 80s playing the shape.

Pick somebody.

OJ would have been available.

This is pre whatever, but somebody with some bulk and some size who could move.

This guy, if you, if you really watch carefully, he's like, he's like a fucking mum.

Oh, shit.

Later on, they got the dude that that played six bothers me the fucking um

the professional wrestler i can't remember his name now he played him for a little while because he could do all this stuff tyler man oh he played my my people in that rob zombie movies or in the david grocery i can't remember which one it was but he he i remember it was a big deal that he played him for a second

What's age to worst?

The mask is the most polarizing thing about this movie.

It's a lot of the discourse.

It's my buddy Jeff's biggest issue with the movie.

He can't believe how bad the mask is.

And there's a whole story when they made the mask for Halloween 1.

It was a Shatner mask.

they doctored it they threw it out after they tried to recreate it for two there was no way to find it so then they ended up with the fucking stupid mask they had for this movie which they changed after the schoolhouse scene which i think was the first one they shot he's got like blonde hair he looks like i don't even know what

they keep that in for some reason um people really hate the mask i am not a fan i'm not a fan i'm not a fan of the fact that it changes a couple of times in the movie uh yeah and so generally they just should have kept him bandaged.

I think that was the mistake.

Can I ask you whether you think this is age the worst or not?

Is the

somewhat convoluted idea that Lori Strode, who has died between two and four,

has a daughter

who's not that much,

you know, a young daughter.

Like she has a daughter young.

Yeah, she went from not having sex to becomes like a super young girl.

But like, would it have made just more sense if he had just come back and there was no like family connection it was just like he's terrorizing the town because there's there are other like ideas for this movie floating around that i think the strode family connection is a little so in the research of this when they green lit it the writer strike was about to happen and the guy had like 13 days to pitch the story and then write it and i don't think he was expecting 36 years later a podcast picking it apart

i don't know if there's a ton of thought i think he was like hey so i thought maybe lori had a daughter they were like all All right, done, go, go, go.

Three more days.

You think feel that same way about podcasts?

Where they're like, you know what, man, I was just trying to make my day.

Yeah, dude, I was fucking a little bit of a drink.

I was just at a coffee shop for three straight days.

I had 10 days to do it.

George Lucas's.

I had this idea for a niece.

Because the movie comes out and it's profitable, so it's a win.

He's like, fuck, I fucking pulled that off.

Yeah, I wish I had more time.

And then later on, you guys come around and

dude.

But look, interesting, though, like, you couldn't have the face of innocence.

They didn't go.

It's interesting to go go with a kid in that situation to kind of draw.

But her, but her not being in the movie is by far the thing that's aged the worst because the character comes back to a new generation of Halloween fans to take the franchise back.

The reason she didn't come back is because Jamie Lee was a super famous actress at that point.

Another aged the worst for me,

also maybe a nitpick, but it's basically some people obviously know who Michael Myers is.

Like those kids dress up as Michael Myers to like scare Rachel and Jamie, but then Brady doesn't know who Michael Myers is.

And they're like, oh, you remember 10 years ago?

And he's like, no, like, what are you talking about?

I didn't like that either.

So it's like, it's like Michael Myers is either like...

I think he was so horny, he didn't remember what happened five minutes ago.

Yeah, his

sign up his hoes.

Yeah.

Like he, like, he wasn't thinking at all about that.

Brady had a backup plan.

They were like, Brady, what'd you think of the

football game yesterday?

He's like, I don't know, man.

I just, I'm just trying to get alone with the sheriff's daughter.

That's all I'm thinking about.

I have a couple.

How does Myers, how do they and I have a scene where Myers kills one of the Myers impersonators?

It's like if I got no brainstorming, that would have made it all worth it.

Just kill like three of them in a row.

Yeah.

Blondwig Myers in the schoolhouse.

Ridiculous.

Rachel takes the kids trick-or-treating and loses all eight kids.

You know how hard that is?

You're going from house to house.

Like, what were they?

Like, fucking getting in a van together?

She's talking to Don Dawson.

It seems like they got lost in the city from inception.

But she also is not thinking straight.

No.

Right.

She's just found out Brady.

Brady's way up.

He's just like all the other guys.

All right.

This is my big one.

We rarely do this for the rewatchables, but I'm going to have to do this with whatever my camera is.

So Loomis's scars.

We start out with this.

He's got.

So he blew up at the end of Halloween 2.

And he's got, it's like a zit on the left there.

Like a burn.

yeah it almost looks like an ear with ear with a zit so they start out there this is i'm just doing this chronologically in the movie so we start out with this

then we go here and the zit's gone like did he pop it now it's like more of like a scar tissue it looks like an omelette or a cauliflower yeah kind of thing so that's how that's how we are in that scene

Oh, wow.

Then it's different again.

It's a dent.

So the makeup artist is obviously not taking Polaroids after every day of shooting.

This is another another example of people not anticipating us doing a podcast about that.

They're like, Annie, the makeup artist.

Like, Annie, did you take Polaroids after day three?

She's like, oh, shit.

So they're just fucking winging it.

Then we go back.

Sits back.

Now the zits back.

So did Luma, did Pleasance go back?

It's like, I really like the zip.

No, no, they don't shoot these things chronologically.

So they probably shot that when he had the same time.

Then it's like it got better.

Like he took some medication during Halloween night somehow.

And then finally near the end of the movie, he must have yelled at somebody.

And now it's just kind of cleared up.

It's cleared up a lot.

Yeah.

This is all in the course of one day in Halloween 4.

Or maybe it's his connection to Michael heals him, you know?

The scar body.

I don't know how, why just at some point?

This is why you're the best.

That kind of thing.

You made a decision with the zit, with the zit scar, like you got to just stay with it.

You can't get rid of the zit.

Body count, by the way, 19 for this movie, if you include the dog more than the combined total of the first two it doesn't feel like it's all that many kills he's killing a lot of people but it doesn't feel like it's all that many part of it is also we don't get the the police station kills oh we only see the aftermath after he comes in there would you have liked it more if he didn't kill the the sheriff's daughter yes He just kind of chained her up.

He was like, I'm keeping her around.

She looks good.

What's your favorite kill in this?

I like the finger through the forehead.

It's great.

And I i like when he kills don dawson don dawson is crushes his jaw right

anytime the killer kills someone with their bare hands yeah so i was gonna my favorite is the guy who's driving the truck to get away and michael comes and just like tears his face off and then throws him out of the truck yeah it's pretty good because you you have the leverage you're on top of the i think they spent a lot of the special effects budget on that kill yeah

The Ruff Lohan and Rubinik Partridge Overacting Award,

it has to go to Dr.

Loomis, but you also have the crazy religious guy who picks him up pitchiking.

He's like, I'm a fucking idiot.

That guy's creepy.

I like that.

Apparently, he didn't know his lines, and Dwight Little had to keep being like,

So would you give it to that guy?

I think I would.

He's in another movie.

He probably is the one that's like throwing 150 like every single time he talks.

Yeah, that, what's that category we used to have for the guy who's in a different movie?

It was,

what was the Judd Nelson

for that?

What was that movie called?

Well, I would say

I'd say Kelly is in a different movie.

Who?

In this movie, Kelly is in a different movie than, like, that's a sex

sex comedy.

And everybody else is like, Michael Myers is.

She's in, like, a Skinemax movie.

Like, like, the word is out.

Her dad is the sheriff.

She would know that Michael Myers is terrorizing the town.

And she's like, no, it's Bone Town tonight.

In fact, Michael Myers creates an opportunity for me to have the house to myself

and rock in the living room in front of the fire while my dad

single-handedly is protecting us.

Ah, but she, this is another reason why I like her.

She asked Brady, yeah, let's go upstairs.

Let's go upstairs.

Brady was like, it goes down right here, girl.

Yeah, yeah, I like the fireplace.

Fireplace, Brady was trying to send some ombi up there.

Brady's like, listen, I'm not going to last long.

Yeah.

Let's go sit still.

We got 80 seconds.

Let's go just to get up and go way up there.

Was there a better title for this movie, Halloween 4, Back for More Cash?

I had Halloween 10 years later.

Probably not better than Halloween for the return of Michael Myers, but I think it's in in there.

Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote?

Why is up to what men want, Rachel?

Or Brady won't be the last man you lose to another woman.

Should be in a high school year, but that is the only memorable quote almost in the whole movie.

It's fucking amazing.

Okay.

My second place for best quote was

the guy working at the power station when he sees Michael Myers and says, hey, you.

This is city property.

No trespassing.

What are you, deaf?

Don't try that halloween with me and then michael throws him up in the air and he lands on every like transition shuts down all the power in the town

and he's like oh

like it's 40 seconds it's so cool he gets wise like at the last minute yeah oh

the six foot five guy with the mask and he's like

get off the city property

yeah myers who has hasn't lived there since he was six somehow knows where the cemetery is and where the the power station is where the power station is where the police station is he can just navigate everywhere um

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The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

How does Take Award?

You have one, Van, or no?

Myers is the hero of this movie.

Okay.

I theorize that Michael Myers is actually a natural force.

He is like,

He exists in nature.

He comes from nature and he's there to enforce natural selection.

So the people that die in this movie are so fucking stupid.

Like all of them.

Yes.

They are so dumb.

Yeah.

They make the dumbest mistakes.

He moves at the speed of a sloth,

but he outsmarts them still.

And so Michael Myers, actually, the earth was like, you know what?

There's too many people on there.

We need to create a force to call

the people who are too dumb to go on.

Darwin theory.

Darwin theory.

And that Michael Michael Myers actually is the hero of this movie.

And if you get killed by him, you deserved it.

Strong start for Hottest Take.

If this had been the last Halloween movie, it would have been the second best one.

Oh, shit.

I think in the long scheme of things and like the long tail.

I agree with this.

You're like, oh, okay, two's cool.

People, there's this is better than two.

I'm with you.

But people like three.

Two is actually like kind of wonky in places.

Two's Friday the 13th for the last half hour.

The idea that he passes it on.

And if I just gave you the bare bones of this plot of what happens in like Haddonfield 10 years later, and then Michael at the end, when he gets killed, because he touches Jamie, passes the shape on, and she then kills her stepmother and like keeps this perpetual,

that's awesome.

That would have been like.

People would have been like, what?

Question.

So, but the fact that like they basically undo that in the first five minutes of five, where they're like, actually, the mom's okay.

It's cool.

She's in Barbados.

Like, it sucks.

But if this had been the last one, this would have been the second best Halloween movie.

Do you think they knew whether or not they wanted Michael Myers to come back?

I think everybody who they engaged to creatively come up with new ideas for the franchise was like, well, what if we did this?

What if, what if we tried that?

What if we tried that?

And they always entertained it.

And then eventually they would get back to like whatever focus group idea that was like, people who are fucking paying 10 bucks to go see this movie do not want to not see Michael Myers.

We saw that with Halloween 3 with Season of the Witch.

Like, people want to see Halloween 3.

I really like the first five minutes of Halloween 2.

You like the first five minutes.

Yeah, I like when he's chasing him through the houses.

And I like when he goes, you don't know what death is to the sheriff.

So,

my hottest take.

So, Donald Pleasant's famous alcohol problems with him.

Like, famous.

I can give you some, I can give you some half-faster research.

Here's some Donald Pleasant stuff for you.

Married four times, had five daughters, allegedly drank two bottles of wine before filming a big scene in Halloween one, where he talked to the sheriff outside two bottles of wine.

Jesus.

In the SNL oral history book, David Sheffield, who was a writer on the show in the 80s, said there was one host who came on.

He was drunk and senile.

He kept going, where's Gilda?

When's Gilda showing up?

He was so arrogant.

He basically just did a monologue, Donald Pleasants.

That's who that was.

So famous drinker guy.

I think Halloween 4, my hottest take, should have leaned into this.

Oh, Loomis is like Loomis is an alcoholic.

Actually, had him boozing during the movie.

And like, he's kind of come in as like boozing, deranged.

Dr.

Loomis, you don't understand what that thing is.

And he's got like

what the creature character is.

Yeah.

Like, if Loomis ratcheted up a creature and Loomis is just like driving around in circles looking for Armageddon, that would have been pretty cool.

He's basically an alcoholic anyway, the way he behaves in this.

Like, he's just kind of wandering and deranged.

He's got a spin on him always packing, too, where he's just like, he's just quick to pull this gun out.

Maybe they shun Loomis because he can't do anything with Michael Myers.

He begrudgingly gets back into the story, but he's always on the sauce.

That's more.

He lost his job.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's become an alcoholic because all these people died in his life.

Maybe he's obsessed now.

He's coming back.

He's always drinking.

Yeah, I don't think Loomis should have been employed in Halloween 4.

I think he should have been disgraced,

whatever, burned in the fire, and now just has a drinking problem and is still obsessed with the case.

Would have been better.

Casting what ifs.

John John Carpenter was approached to write a direct,

worked on a script with somebody else, got Joe Dante attached to direct.

Mustafa Akkad rejected it.

Yeah.

And Carpenter was like, find me out.

I'm done.

Yeah.

That's what I'm doing.

Deborah Hill, the producer, were like, I'm out.

I'm doing that December 31st to you if we don't do Sicario by then.

I'm out.

So they sold their ownership rights back to Mustafa Akkad.

And they were done from that point on.

Carpenter was cooking at that time too.

It's a good time for Carpenter.

So I wonder, you think they were bought out or you think they kept points?

I think he's been brought back into the project since then.

I think he got a lot of,

I think he got dapped up with the David Gordon Green movies.

I don't know if he if he did with Rob Zombie.

I have no clue.

So they found this writer, Alan B.

McElroy, and he had 11 days to come up with the idea and write the entire script before the writer's shriek started.

Yeah.

Start to finish, 11 days.

Oh, yeah, that's a, I give him a lot of credit.

He's like, ah, nice.

Melissa Melissa Joan Hart auditioned for the little girl, and then Rebecca Schaefer auditioned for the main part, and it went to Ellie Cornell, who picked this movie over Nightmare 4.

Yeah.

She then became a very recognizable face.

Ellie Cornell?

The little girl that's in this?

Oh, yeah.

JL Harris.

She's in a lot of her.

She's crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She's in a lot.

The Van Lathan Award, did this movie need more black people?

Hell no.

Okay.

Because we're getting out of the town.

You're out.

They're the Michaels.

If you could have a black person, what job would they have?

What character would they play?

They would, oh, that's a great question.

Like, in this movie, they would like play the people.

Like, you'd see like a black family leaving Hatton.

And like, driving fast as Michael was driving fast.

It's like, hey, hey, just letting you guys know something bad's going to happen there.

We're moving on.

We're headed to Chicago.

Yeah, Southside.

Peace.

Gone.

But I couldn't see us living in Hattonville.

It's a tough life.

That'd be a fun scene just crammed in out of nowhere, just this black family leaving.

We're out of here.

in 11 days, they could have done it.

You look at them and like, where are they going?

And then you make the decision to go yourself, right?

Best that guy award, the doctor at the beginning that Chris mentioned, who's the real Dr.

Hoffman, yeah.

He was uh one of the Malachi brothers in Happy Days, which was the most famous happy days episode, but he was also more importantly, Drago's trainer in Rocky IV.

Whatever he hits, he destroys.

I think, I think, Bostar is the that guy, the over Michael Pataki, yeah.

I think Bostar, the sheriff, Sheriff Meeker, is definitely

that that guy, man.

Does, is, does Brady Connors a that guy or no?

That's a that guy for us.

Yeah, he's Don Duck.

But he actually didn't really do much besides Daisy Katie.

I just see him.

But he was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a.

Yeah, and he was in, he was in like a couple episodes of NYPD Blue or something, but like he hasn't really done that much in the last 20 years.

But you gotta, because you gotta have consistent that guy in it.

Yeah, yeah.

Recasting couch director.

Wait, did we do Dion?

Oh, Deion.

Sorry.

Deion Wader is a word.

Kinmon, right?

I have the sheriff's daughter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or Richard Stay as Wade, the guy who first asks her out.

Oh, yeah.

Trying on the sunglasses and wearing the Blazer and the discount mark.

He's going for it.

Yeah.

She tells him the fuck off.

I'm telling you, I like her.

Rip to her.

Recasting Couch Director City.

If you were going to not have Ellie Cornell in this and pick some other more famous actress from the...

late 80s, early 90s.

Like, what if I gave you Jennifer Connolly?

Sure.

Is that your answer for any late?

I'm just trying to think of somebody more famous than her.

What about, like, Justine Bateman?

Is she too old?

Justine?

She's probably a tiny bit too old.

Really?

She's playing teen roles with the team.

You know, I thought of Jennifer Anderson, too, because she was in, I think, Leprechaun and something right around her.

Courtney Cox's probably too old.

Really?

Or maybe not.

I don't know.

But it would have been cool if somebody from that era.

Sure.

Shannon Doherty.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Yeah.

She may be too young.

Yeah.

This is what, 88?

Yeah.

If this was more prestigious, Winona Ryder would have been a good.

Winona Ryder.

Has Winona Ryder ever done like a straight-on this type of horror movie?

Heathers was the weirdest, yeah.

Yeah,

Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or someone else for the director's commentary.

CR, what do you got?

Oh Mike, they got pictures of Abe Lincoln on the wall here.

One of our great presidents, also a depressive.

I'm going to run back Ryan Rucco.

I studied some Ryan Rucco over the last few years.

I was just

winning Breenen.

Yeah.

Can Michael Myers throw someone into the electrical grid and shut down Power Dolph Hattafield?

You bet.

I like the U-bet.

All right, there's Rucco.

Half-ass Energy Research, they filmed in Salt Lake City instead of Pasadena.

Had to import leaves and big squash for fake pumpkins.

George P.

Wilbur played Myers and had to wear hockey pads under the costume to make himself look more physically imposing.

Wasn't big enough.

Yeah.

The one, one of the other scripts, I think this is the Dennis Etcheson script, which is available online, had basically the stars or the heroes of the film would have been Lindsay and Tommy, who are the kids that Lori is babysitting in one.

Oh, see.

And that they basically have gone through like therapy.

Tommy and Lindsay in the car.

Lindsay, yeah.

And it's, it's, it's weird.

That's basically a remnant, I think, from would we use different other people from the past in this?

It's a better movie.

But it's basically like they

live across the street from each other, but aren't allowed to communicate because Lindsay's mom's really overprotective.

I mean, that's a better Halloween thing.

He just goes back to the kids.

And then he goes back to kill the kids.

Yeah.

You're right.

Ellie Cornell cut her stomach open on a large nail while sliding down the roof and lost a lot of blood.

Jesus.

The cast was really nervous about Danielle Harris, how young she was.

So the Wilbur, the guy who played the shape, would take his mask off after every scene to remind her it was

it was just a movie all right that was nice

the vincent drugstore where jamie goes to buy a costume is seen in the 90s in a movie that we've all seen can you name the movie

in the 90s in a movie we've all seen

what kind of movie yeah hit sports movie

Little kids.

Sandlot?

Sandlot.

Oh.

I just knew that was going to be something different.

I just knew you were about to go.

The Vincent's drugstore in Salt Lake City was the scene of the classic 1961 sit-in with the LYCP.

The schoolhouse, Chris mentioned the mask with the blonde hair.

Then they decided that didn't work, but somehow didn't reshoot the scene where he had the blonde hair.

And it's just fucking insane.

But this is what was great about the 80s.

They're like, will anyone notice?

I probably noticed.

Is some guy who's making out with his girlfriend in like the second to back row of a movie theater really like oh the mask work in this is yeah, what are they doing?

Um

so they decided after they viewed the food movie the the director and Akkad decided that the violence was too soft and they could commence with an extra day of blood filming

I thought I thought was the thumb the forehead kill

I agree with it too the movie is not at all gory Mustafa is pissed like It's more like you, you feel the dread, but there's not that much blood.

So they filmed that and they filmed the neck twist.

They added two, like, two of the craziest kills were late editions.

Some of the kills, like, throwing the guy into the...

It's like a bar fight.

Yeah.

It's like, there's not a lot of, you don't ever feel like, oh my God.

And we don't even really get to see like the mechanic getting killed and chained up.

Right.

Yeah.

It's just like what Loomis sees at the end.

Apex Mountain.

Probably nobody.

Cops Do It by the Book t-shirts.

That one definitely.

Pleasants, no.

Mustafa Akkadi probably made more movies that made more money.

Don Dawson, no way.

No.

Right.

Halloween, no.

Serial killer movies, no.

I couldn't think of it.

Dwight Little?

Dwight H.

Cops Do It By the Book t-shirts, probably the Apex Mountain.

And Kinmont.

Is it an Apex Mountain for the Serial Killer is Back?

Like he's gone for a movie.

because we had Freddy, Jason, yeah.

But by this point, they're seven into Friday the 13th, so I feel like that's like now been established.

You could almost say slasher franchises maybe are back, yeah, yeah.

Cruiser Hanks

as who.

So I think that cruiser

pages are eligible.

So you could have Cruz

or young Hanks could play Brady.

So can I give you old Cruise as Dr.

Loomis?

Awesome cruising it up.

Like 73-year-old Tom Cruise being like, I watched him for 15 years.

Like going completely.

I think that's the answer, right?

What do you think, Craig?

Shouldn't it be for the main character?

Like, it should just be who should play Rachel Myers.

Oh, the shape?

I guess Myers or Rachel.

Like, that's, we should be deciding between those two.

Well, it has to be a male character, though.

So that's the shape.

Don Don.

Why can't the babysitter be a man?

Oh, I see what you mean.

Like, switch it to a male.

Like, it would be Cruiser Hanks and the baby sniper.

I gotta do something.

This is a very, very millennials, Gen Z.

I'm not saying like the gender.

No, no, no, I get it.

You're saying gender flip it.

During who cares?

During this time?

Old Cruise.

Sure.

All right.

Okay.

We're doing Cruiser Hanks here as an extra.

It's fucking Halloween 4.

How are we doing?

It's happening.

Can we go old cruise?

Yeah.

Okay.

I like that.

Racehorse, Rock Band, Wrestler, Fantasy Team name.

I think the shape.

Haddenfield something.

Haddenfield.

Oh,

Haddenfield horrors.

Yeah.

Haddenfield Horrors.

I don't know.

We don't have anything.

Cops do it by the book.

Cops do it by the Bookers.

Picking it.

How did the kids in school know Myers was Jamie's uncle?

How the fuck does that get?

This is the thing is there's three different TVs happening.

There's little kids who know everything about Michael Myers.

I promise I'm keeping that a secret with my adopted kid.

Who knows nothing.

Another thing, a lot of adoption happening in Haddenfield, but like adopting kids from two doors down.

Lori's adopted, Jamie's adopted.

What's going on in Haddonfield?

Yeah.

I mean, it's it takes a village, but still.

But see, that's the thing that they that's the meat left on the bone with the movie because you could paint the picture of Haddonfield as a Haddonfield as like a totally fucked up society and community because of everything that happened and like why all of these parents might have left and left their kids and all that dumbass shit, but they didn't do any of that.

They only had 11 days.

Would you adopt this the

niece of the most notorious silicone in your town?

Unknowingly.

One relative.

Unknowingly.

But then they knew.

Well, then no.

And if I adopted.

That's a no for me.

If I adopted her, and then I was like, oh, well, we got a little bundle of joy.

Come home with us and live with us.

And then I found out.

That's the other thing that's really funny is like their dinner date takes up two-thirds of the movie where they're like, oh, like he has to go out to get like his promotion.

So we have to take the boss out to dinner.

And then they're just gone for the rest of the movie until they check in on the house, and that's it.

I mean, I, we did this extensively in Halloween one when we did that pod, but in Halloween, you don't leave your house if you have kids.

Trick-or-treaters are coming, nobody's like, you know what?

I'm gonna do I'm gonna leave my house alone under the care of somebody else.

Where are you going on Halloween?

You're not a big, like, do you have any, did you ever have teen babysitters watching your kids?

Yeah, somewhat, somewhat, but I don't know.

I, I just, where are you going on Halloween?

When they would come over to check in for work, would you be watching Halloween?

Totally dodge that question.

Well, we joked in Halloween one about like, was there like some Haddenfield Country Club tea party or what the fuck was going on with all these people?

I just

Myers killed everyone.

It's the 10-year anniversary.

It's like, should we stay home, make sure nothing happens?

No, no, let's go out with the Johnsons.

Yeah.

Like, what the fuck are you doing?

Yeah.

It's like a Tuesday night.

Wouldn't Meyers mask be banned in Haddenfield?

Yes, that's my point.

Yeah, why are they selling it?

It's either got to be like a stream, like the way ghost faces become like a phenomenon, or they're like, bury this and nobody knows about it.

Or Haddenfield,

like you're saying, Haddenfield is now a tourist attraction where people come and there's a whole Michael Myers museum.

That almost makes more sense.

And they did that in a later movie, didn't they?

Play with the fact that they're famous for it.

Yeah.

I don't like that Haddon feel they switched to filming, which was this middle-class middle-america suburb in the first two movies.

And now all of a sudden it's like rural farmland.

We're in like the

Illinois.

Like they do try to...

It doesn't seem like Illinois, though.

I agree with you, but I'm just saying, I think that like the cornfields or like the farmlands are supposed to be like outside of that town.

Haded,

I mean, a lot of questions about Meyer's location stuff, but ends up in the same drugstore as his niece.

She's trying on stuff.

Like, what are the odds?

Well, I thought that was supposed to be the vision.

No, when she, he is in the drugstore, right?

Yeah.

Like, cause he's in the reflection after she's.

He's actually there.

Sometimes she doesn't see him.

But I don't know how he's in the reflection of the mirror, but nobody else can see him standing in the thing.

I have a lot of questions.

In five, it is the worst.

In five, it's like Michael Myers is like, I'm just doing this visually behind a bush.

Like this.

Like the entire time.

Yeah.

Like you're just like, that's Michael Myers, like right there.

Like, that's like, what are you guys

so myers drives however many miles uh-huh

in like a it's like 119 miles because it's a four-hour drive

at one point into his

gas station truck like when he gets the hitchhiking it's 120 miles and the truck has been stolen yeah so you would think that somebody would be like goes right to downtown hattonfield

Parks the car and it's like I'm going to go right into the drugstore with my fucking bandaged face.

Maybe I can go in the back and nobody will know.

I'm positive somebody's noticing this guy.

And then just kind kind of lurks around until he can find a mask.

But then he's got the mask on.

He just kind of puts it over his head.

Perfect fit.

Wouldn't you have to just unravel all the shit in your face?

They just make this seem super easy.

They left a lot out.

Did Myers know when he threw the guy through the power grid that it would then shut down?

I think that is his goal.

I think he's gone there to disrupt power.

So then Michael Myers also knows how the electrical grid of the town works.

Yes.

I mean, he's had a long time in this mental hospital to study different well, we talked about

if he's the boogeyman, then Satan is guiding the boogeyman, right?

So Satan's telling him, go here, go to the power station.

That's how you have to explain it to yourself.

And you're going to find the toughest big mouth ever at the power station.

And all you have to do is body slam it.

But he knows that guy's on shift.

Yeah.

Because he's staked it out.

Yeah.

So he's going to go there.

He's like, this guy's going to mouth off.

We're throwing this guy into the goddamn power thing.

Just the weird urgency Hoffman has of getting Myers out of the asylum in the first place

and

the lack of clarity about the hierarchy of the asylum where like loomis works there he's like now that i've gotten rid of michael myers loomis will either retire or die and it's like what do you fucking care like like

why do you hate loomis like what's the big deal he like caught michael myers that's like a pretty big get they probably there's probably like what a couple years of meetings where every meeting loomis is like I told you guys I was watching him for it.

And they're like, all right, man, we get it.

You fucking watched him for it.

But he says something something to him he's like a federal prisoner so he has like federal prisoners rights and i'm like this is this

federal prisoner he just killed everyone in illinois maybe maybe loomis is too braggadocious about the fact that he got michael myers yeah he's at the bar and being like buy me a drink i'll tell you about the time i caught that she shot him 11 times we blew up together any other nitpicks uh just Myers killing 16 people in the first two films, and then they send two middle-aged paramedics to pick him up at the asylum.

Come on, guys.

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all blackcasts are untouchable.

They've basically done all of these except for Prestige TV.

Yeah.

Still sitting there.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trajo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays,

Nell, Evil Laughing Ramon Raymond, Long Legs, or Philip Baker Hall?

I think that at the trick-or-treat night, when Kelly, Rachel, and Brady are having their argument, Byron Mayo waddles over with his jack-o'-lantern.

He goes, Kelly, Rachel, Brady,

why be at odds when we can be in a triangle?

Somebody fire up some Folgers.

Nothing activates the libido like fear.

It's the witching hour.

Oh my God.

That'd be great.

Honestly, this movie would have been better with Robert Loggia in some role.

You're telling me that this Michael Myers is back?

Just want to ask her who gets it.

Probably nobody, but maybe the score.

The score is great.

Yeah.

All right.

That's all.

That's the, that song never gets all the hits.

Probably unanswerable questions.

Why didn't they just make Jamie the killer in Halloween 5?

I don't have an answer.

Just feel like that should have happened.

Make Jay, make her character the killer?

Yeah, like Halloween 5 starts and she's like, Halloween 5 is the little girl locked up.

And it's like, well, we have to let her out.

Like, she didn't know what she was doing.

She was like, yeah, she blacked out.

Do you remember Wes Craven's New nightmare

not really the movie where freddy comes to life inside the actual movie oh yeah yes right yes that's the kind of stuff to me that like i felt like they should have played around because that's kind of like making her the killer because in that movie they're doing a new freddy movie and then freddy comes to life and he's in the movie itself it's kind of a freddy and they do that with scream three basically as well yeah I don't think they were to that point yet where they could be that inventive.

They just gave the people what they wanted to get in.

My unanswerable unanswerable question is just like, what is Dr.

Loomis's jurisdiction?

You know, like he's bossing around cops, he's bossing around people at the hospital, and he's always got a sidearm, and which is not something I usually associate with my mental health professionals.

Yeah, you don't want the mental health professional to need more mental health help than the people he's helping.

And he's just got like a semi-automatic weapon in his trench coat.

And it's just like, I'm here for Michael.

Mine, mine is:

was the the sheriff trying to get Brady killed?

Oh,

he doesn't give him a ton of instruction before he's just like, Brady, here's a shotgun.

When you see Michael Myers, like protect, like protect everyone.

Brady, you know how you use a gun?

Boom, boom, boom.

Did he know Brady was fucking his daughter?

And is he trying to get Brady killed?

I would have done that.

Anyone was treating Zoe that way.

Do you think when he kills

Catherine Kinmont's character with the sheriff's daughter?

The shotgun impalement.

Yeah, where was they?

Do you think they that was a little more graphic and they had to scale it back?

Like, where do you think that shotgun went?

Uh, I think it went through her stomach.

I think it actually happens in one of the David Gordon Green movies.

They do that, and it's a little bit more graphic, but I can't actual like the shotgun through the stomach move.

Oh, through the stomach, yeah, I think if I remember correctly, all right.

Next unanswerable question.

Thought we were going somewhere else there.

Moving on.

Um,

I thought, see, he kind of does that.

That's what I'm, that's what he was doing.

I think it goes through her stomach.

I don't think.

They pretty much suggest something similar to that.

It's a late 80s.

Five with a guy putting a condom on.

And then he gets, he begins his sexual Congress, and Mike kills him.

Yeah.

And it's like pretty obvious what he's done.

Have you seen Terrifier 3?

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

It happened.

Have you seen the Terrifier movies yet?

Too gory for me.

Okay.

As you know, my stance.

Would it have been more funny if this movie took place in Boston when he goes to the electric, the power grid part?

You think you're better than me?

You can't tell me I didn't do my job.

Retainer.

Best double feature choice.

Interesting question.

I would say

it's really just one is the only narrative stuff you need to know, but two is good just to know why Donald Pleasance has such a fucked up face because he explodes.

I also had Halloween too.

Okay, I go.

Jason takes Manhattan.

Oh, you ever see that?

I like that movie.

Yeah, I do too.

It's just kind of Jason and you know, Jason.

That's like let Jason cook.

Let's just give him some clothes.

Also, it was a point where they were just like, What, what can we do?

Let's put him in space.

Let's put him in the city.

Let's do all sorts of stuff.

You know, he killed that movie, Aaron Judge.

That's why he's dead.

Oh my God.

The Andean Red Zawatna Award for what happened the next day.

I'll tell you what didn't happen.

They didn't find the body.

Just went in that sinkhole.

They were like, ah, he's probably gone.

In five, the first scene of five is like, what happens next?

And it's not only does he fall into the sinkhole, everything collapses on him.

They also dynamite it.

And he just like floats away in groundwater and like shows.

Didn't anyone see First Blood?

Yeah.

Dynamiting a location.

And then you killed the guy.

Jamie,

it turns out he didn't, she didn't kill her mom, even though it certainly seems that way in the film,

but just injured her.

And she goes to an insane asylum or like a mental institution, and she's mute.

So we have a very clear Zwant Neo here.

And he, and Michael Myers, is before you move on, he's, he's like Wolverine.

He's got a Yeah, he goes to some dude's fish shack and recuperates and then kills the guy who helps him.

Right.

They did a podcast, though.

What piece of memorability would you want from this movie?

The guy in the fish shack was like, Michael, they're taking too many threes.

They're killing the game I loved.

What piece of memorability would you want?

The cops do it better.

I had that as well.

Only one pick.

Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson.

Don't tell everyone you adopted the town murderer's niece.

I'd start there.

Any other life lesson?

How about don't adopt the town murderer's niece?

Or yeah, if you're going to either way.

Or if you're going to adopt her, like

she should go live in a different town.

Yeah.

Right.

If you're going to transfer.

You're name new identity.

Right.

No, you're not this person's daughter.

If you're going to transfer a notorious killer based on the fact that he's been in a 10-year coma and you think he's withered away, just check the biceps.

Do a little bit of a combine test on him.

Yeah.

And see.

That's fair.

Yeah.

Bring in a masseuse.

Yeah.

Who won the movie?

The masseuse.

Who won the movie?

I'm going to go Daniel Harris because I think breathes a little new life into it.

And she's really good.

The way it ends, you're just like, holy shit, that's a terrifying last shot of her holding the scissors.

So yeah, I'll go Daniel Harris.

He's probably right, but I'm going to go Michael Myers.

I had Myers as well, but I like the Daniel Harris.

I like that tech.

Yeah, Myers starts the franchise.

We make 10 of these.

Producer Craig, not a horror movie guy.

Didn't enjoy Scary Month.

Can't wait to get to next week.

What'd you think?

Sure.

You know,

yeah.

How many Halloween movies have you seen now?

I've only seen Halloween one, so now just two.

Okay.

So this is a nice follow-up based on what it sounds like two and three are.

That just feels like a natural follow-up to that.

Yeah, look.

The look and feel of these movies, I like a lot because these feel like holiday movies to me.

Unlike The Conjuring or Insidious or something.

I'm like, this is like holiday horror, which I like.

This is watchable.

This is still scary in moments, but the level of kitsch it just feels inviting honestly there's a lot of parallels to like stranger things when i watch these movies

i think that they very purposely like reference totally

and i just think that i know that stranger things a lot of people that you know the spielberg influence but i also think halloween looks a lot like that the the the idea of like the cursed city

hawkins hattonfield the music is very similar yeah for sure yeah so like i so stranger things ripped off halloween well but it ripped off the genre because there were many cursed cities right like i think springfield like all it is and it borrows from the 80s kind of vibe.

Buffalo.

The camp, the stints, the leaves blowing across the suburban streets kind of thing.

I have a question for you.

Yeah.

I thought about this while I was watching the movie, knowing that we would be talking about it.

Are you a Brady?

Was that high school Craig?

Elaborate on that question.

Yeah, this feels like a tough one to answer.

So I'm thinking, when I'm thinking about Brady, I'm thinking about a guy who means well, might have too much dip on his chip, caught between two ladies.

And I'm like, is Craig Brady?

Are you are you a Brady?

Would you have, do you see yourself in Brady from this movie?

Are you saying, did I, did I find myself in predicaments in high school where I had to decide between

two paths in life?

Two paths, two ladies, two paths, two loves, two loves, two loves.

But then you make the good decision in the end.

Like, I could see you, because Brady's not bad.

Brady makes a impetuous, youthful decision, but then at the end, Brady steps up.

Sure, there might be some parallels between Brady and I, but I'll plead the fifth.

There you go, yeah, that's smart.

So, you like this movie, yeah, these are fun.

I have a good time with these, it's not as gory, too.

No, these are like easy, fun, like I said, this is holiday horror, which I think it's an inviting feel.

Also, the music is just so much better than anything.

I was at a bar last weekend, and they remixed this song, and everybody was so into it.

Yeah, the

to me, the music-that's the scariest part of the thing.

Like, no, when you, when that comes on, you you know.

That wins the movie to me every, I mean, I love

the music.

He's actually.

Yeah.

All right.

So scary month is over.

What was your favorite of the five we did?

I think poltergeist.

I like poltergeist.

Again, it's simple.

You know, you can, you can see why I like that in this over, you know, hereditary.

And what was the other one we did?

I don't know.

Hereditary is just.

You hated hereditary.

Yeah.

I don't think, I think that should be wiped from the internet.

We had a couple that we didn't do.

Well, we're saying we're still going to do that.

We'll do another scary month.

We have some good ones left.

Halloween 25.

What was that one?

No, Halloween.

Oh, Halloween 2005.

2005.

Are we going to have a palette cleanser next week?

Are we going to do like a shrek?

Yeah.

We have some better plans.

It will not be a palate cleanser.

I can't wait for your reaction next week.

Bill, thanks for having me.

CR, Dan.

Thanks very much.

Thank you, brother.

Don't forget to watch us on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel.

Thanks to Craig Krolbert for producing.

See you next week.