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Good golf season.

Scotty Sheffer won every tournament.

Mark Hubbard won none.

Still a good tournament.

Well, he's my favorite golfer.

I want him to win a tournament.

Made him nice push.

Craig Horbeck, you can find him on the Ringer Fantasy Football Show.

He has produced this podcast for most of the 399 movies that we've done.

This is movie number 399.

And we have a special wrinkle,

executive producer of today's podcast, Jacko.

Yeah.

Me and House is buddy from college.

You've heard him on my podcast many times.

You're going to just chime in like Gelman on Regis and Catholics.

This dream come true.

I always wanted to be Gelman.

It's finally coming true.

It's going to be fantastic.

This is going to be an unbelievable rewatch.

Well, Tin Cup is next.

Tin Cup, 1996, Kevin Costner,

a very, very good sports movie.

It's very flawed.

It has a controversial ending.

Ron Shelton, who did Bull Durham, he did

Wetman Kinjum, did a bunch of other movies.

Then Tin Cup, this is like his big trilogy.

He said

to Premier Magazine in 1996, the key in making a sports movie is that you have to make it accessible to a person who hates the sport, but you also have to make the guy who knows the sport inside out say they got it right.

Did they do that, house, and tin cup with golf?

I think so.

Uh, there is enough of the

ring of truthiness to the way the golf is presented, um, especially with the infrastructure.

This, the CBS stuff is amazing.

I mean, Jim Nance is, you know, next level, Ken Venturi's next level.

It's almost like two movies.

When we get to the actual U.S.

Open, it turns into a different movie, and I'm here for it.

Yeah, it's long enough to be two movies.

I don't know why this movie is two hours and 15 minutes, but the last hour is just all U.S.

Open, which is fantastic.

I thought I was the time length police.

And Craig is like, you've taken it.

You're like the 2.0 version of it.

This movie, there's a lot of bloat.

There's a lot we could probably shave off, but the last hour, hour 15, when they get to the U.S.

Open is great.

I funnily, I had never seen this movie until two weeks ago before you told me we were doing it.

I was on vacation with my in-laws and I watched it one night in an Airbnb with my two brothers-in-law.

We love golf.

We honestly came away with the movie, and we were like, okay, maybe swing and a miss.

You know, this is a bogey, double bogey of a film.

Double bogey.

And then, I mean, I think once I watching it upon, watching it the second time, I like what I told you.

Yeah, I like it way more.

Second time, it's a different movie.

Because I think I thought originally the movie was going to be a lot more serious, and it's pretty goofy and whimsical.

And once you kind of know that's coming the second time around you can kind of sit back relax enjoy it but i had no idea just how ridiculous this movie was going to be going in that i mean we'll talk about the 12 now even though it's in the rewatchable scene category but the the the decision not to lay up on the last hole the first time you see it i just remember being enraged in the theater it's like they're this would never happen i don't like that they did this He should have either just eagled it and won or hit it in the water, demanded to drop it there, then hit it again and maybe knocks it in from there.

Some sort of sports movie thing.

I think they were intentionally zagging house against what we expected from it.

But now, 29 years later, I kind of like it.

It's like in its own area of sports movies that it's such a radical decision to have him not win and to play it the way they did it.

I don't mind it.

We've had, we see, you and I are in our mid-50s now.

We've seen a thousand sports movies.

This is one of the only ones that zagged.

Big balls on Ron Shelton for sticking to his guns because apparently, you know, folks in Hollywood wanted the happy ending.

And no less an authority on golf than President Donald Trump accosted Shelton and said to him, Hey, you would have made a lot more money if you'd just had the guy win the tournament at the end.

That was the entirety of the interaction between Shelton and President Trump.

But that was not a recent interaction.

No, no.

He's not reviewing 96.

I'm sure he probably still feels feels the same way.

The thing is,

it's really one of those movies, every time you watch it, there's this alternate sliding doors of what happens if he just eagles and gets the 10 and we have the heroic sports movie ending.

What happens if he hits in the water?

You're like, oh, my God, he fucked it up.

Oh, my God.

He's dropping it there.

He's melting down.

But then he hits it and he wins.

What happens if he pars it and we go to a playoff hole?

I don't know what the right answer is all these years later.

I still like the 12, but I think there is an alternate universe where he just wins the U.S.

Open and maybe it's a better movie.

It's the right ending for this movie.

It's also the right ending for golf.

All normal golfers, we can relate to this.

It's the most relatable thing to be like, can I hit this?

Can I hit this 237 with my three would fuck it?

I'm going to go for it.

Right.

You know, so I feel like golf is really good.

I think golf is the best sport for a sports movie.

Yeah.

Because football, basketball, baseball, there's like the play and then there's what's going on in between the plays.

Golf is fun because you can be talking and listening, and there's so much going on just during

the

best.

There's interactions going on.

Coster is going to get a bonus to keep going.

Well, I know.

Kevin Coster is walking around with a walkman.

He's out there.

I don't think that's legal, but he, you know, they did it.

But I like what Craig's describing in terms of that relatability.

I mean, under the circumstances, it was preposterous.

It's a, you know,

you're tied for the lead in the U.S.

Open.

And, you know.

Well, that's why we have Carl Malone, Patrick Ewing, and David Robinson, who did win a title.

Jacko has a Clyde Drexerglass, but we're all in honor of Roy McAvoy coming up close.

No cigar.

I guess Robinson eventually won with Tim Duncan.

But yeah, it's preposterous.

It's so preposterous.

Well, we'll dive into it when we do the rewatchable scene.

But Molly says at one point, this is without a doubt the stupidest, silliest, most idiotic, grotesque remasquerading as a game that has ever been invented.

And Roy says, yes, ma'am, that's why I love it.

This is why I wanted to make you watch it again and do the pod with us because it's really a love letter to golf.

Yes.

And it's not about the fancy part of golf.

It's about, like, Shelton even talks about this.

It's about the dudes who wait at five in the morning to play some public.

It's about how ridiculous and stupid golf is.

And why do we do it?

Yeah, because it's the best.

Because you're into it.

I love golf, golf all the time.

And houses, like, it's all he cares about.

Sure.

No, I care.

Jacko, what's your relationship to golf?

I play a couple times a year.

I like the, I like playing in tournaments.

There's a couple tournaments I play in with some guys, and it's like best ball.

So celebrity pro-ans?

Yeah, sort of that type of thing.

I'm like a hack, but some of my friends are good.

But I'll hit a shot or two, and that really kind of gets you into it.

Like you hit one or two good shots around, you're like, I could really play this game.

And then

I shank one off my foot, and I'm like, I really can't play this game, but that's the beauty of it, right?

Well, with the good ones, too.

Does a tuning fork go off in your loins?

The good thing about golf is it's a sport you can participate in while drinking.

So that's right up my alley.

I like that too.

So, you know, you're not going to play basketball and have a couple beers on the bench, but golf it's part of the game really there's a good sports movie inside this movie but they want it to be a romance too much that's why there's so much going on outside of it but just just the golf aspect of this movie is really good the him versus david sims thing all of that is great here's what's happening because this is 96 we've we've finished that whole first era of sports movies which we've done a bunch of on the rewatchables and now we're moving into this new era in the mid 90s of the next level of a sports movie because Jerry McGuire comes out the same year as this.

Happy Gilmore comes out the same year as this.

It's like, all right, we've all done the underdog thing.

We've done the Raging Bull, that type of movie.

Now, what's the sports movie with the Love Bull Underdog trying to triumph?

But it's also a rom-com.

It's also something the husband and wife can go to or the boyfriend and girlfriend together.

It's a date movie.

And there's a lot of these.

And there's this like renaissance of sports movies right here from, I would say, 95 through 04.

And there's a million of them.

This is when Varsity Blues, any given Sunday, there's like a bunch that we've already done.

So I think that's what they're going for.

And it's like there's a Bull Durham, you know, obviously Ron Shelton and Costner did how do you make Crash Davis different than Roy McAboy, but it's still Kevin Costner.

Have you not done Bull Durham on Rewatchables?

Been saving it.

It's one of the ones we've saved.

I wanted to use it as the cheat code for this because I wanted to hear the panel's take on Ron Shelton in advance of this.

So I'm into the Google machine trying to find the Rewatchables Bull Durham.

Hasn't happened yet.

Hasn't happened yet.

You know what else hasn't happened?

The is Kevin Costner unequivocally the sports movie goat?

Is it just like a rap, or do other people have arguments?

Here's his so he does American Flyers, which I thought we did on rewatchables.

I just think CR and I have talked about it for so long, I felt like we did it.

But really good cycling movie in the mid-80s.

Bull Durham, Field of Dreams, Tin Cup, For Love of the Game, Draft Day, and McFarlane USA, which is like secretly not a bad Disney movie.

But that's, and he's done some other stuff too, but that's seven sports movies, different sports, some iconic ones in there.

Who is his competition?

I agree with you.

Who is that other candidate?

I'm trying to think.

That's right.

I agree.

It goes sideways fast.

You get Dennis Quaid with breaking away the rookie in a given Sunday, tough enough.

Everybody's all American in the Express.

Not even close.

But solid resume.

He should be proud.

Yeah, very good.

He also played Dick Vermeal in a movie, I think.

Okay.

James Earl Jones, Field of Dreams, Bingo Long, Sandlot, and Great White Hope has four good ones, but he doesn't have the depth.

Sandler's in the mix.

It's just they're all comedic, but he's Happy Gilmore, Hustle, the Waterboy, longest yard remake, and Happy Gilmore 2.

He's at least like has to be mentioned.

The one that falls through the cracks here is Wesley Snipes because he was major league, white man can't jump, the fan, undisputed, wildcats, play to the bones, and a couple of bad ones.

And then our guy, Woody Harrelson, White Man Can't Jump, Kingpin, Wildcats.

Denzel had a couple.

He got game the Hurricane.

Remember the Titans, Paul Newman, Matt Damon.

But it's funny.

It's clearly Costner.

It's not even an argument.

And what's cool about his career, like he shoots a 62 in the U.S.

Open in this movie.

He pitches a perfect game in Yankee Stadium.

He wins the Hell in the West and American Flyers.

Like he does some big-ass things, but I don't know.

What is it about Costner?

Why was he so believable?

He's a good athlete, first of all.

He's handsome.

He's athletic enough to get away with every sport.

Yeah.

He looks pretty good.

I know he got trained by the pro that this movie is loosely based on.

Yeah, Yeah, Gary McCord.

I thought his swing was pretty good.

I agree.

Do you want to do this now?

Well,

we might end up there.

The background for Costner is that he hadn't played very much golf in his life up to

the conversation with Shelton.

Like, would you be interested in big baseball player?

Big, just general athlete.

I can do anything.

But right, he

apparently connected with Gary McCord a full year in advance.

Gary McCord and Peter Costas, who were the both sort of legendary CBS CBS broadcasters.

Costas was a teacher, proper, a proper golf teaching pro.

And he, uh, together with McCord helped Costner get a swing that I honestly think is credible.

It's a credible golf.

And I think it gets better throughout the movie.

In the first scene, I was a little skeptical because they were kind of some magic cuts.

Yeah.

It would be like, you'd see his takeaway and then it would cut to the follow-through without seeing contact with the ball.

And I was like, oh, I don't know about this.

And I feel like throughout the movie, they started to really just sit on him.

A lot of the shots that he's hitting like 150 out onto the green, that's him.

Yeah, it looks like it.

You can see it.

The research says that there's no CGI, nothing.

He's hitting like mainiron 150 yards onto the green.

They said he had like not a full swing, which, by the way, coincidentally is the same for me.

And they, they just were like, instead of trying to change his swing, he actually had a really good 3-4 swing.

So they wrote into the script that part about

hit, which, by the way, does make sense.

Well, no, no, that is the kind of, if you want to fight the ball lower, you do have a swing that stops.

If you were a good pro, you would have both swings.

If you were a good pro, you would have every kind of swing.

But I like how they wrote that in a mid sense.

For a guy who's hitting distance, theoretically, you need a long follow-through.

Him just stopping short doesn't make sense for him hitting that shit.

One of the things I saw was that in post-production, they sped up the swing.

That he in real life swings slower and was swinging slower when he filmed it, but they applied some speed to give a little more of that athletic enhancement.

I tried to do that with your ad reads on Fairway Rolling.

I sped them up to one, three.

I don't know.

Nobody told you, right?

FF, fast forward.

Yeah, yeah.

Another thing about Costner, he just finished Waterworld.

Ooh.

Jacko.

Oh, boy.

A movie I've not seen.

Yeah, because he had already had, I don't remember when the Postman came out, but Water World was like this legendary.

This is, as we've talked about many times in this pod, the height of movie journalism about movies and people writing about shit in the sets and premiere magazines in the peak.

And Water World's like, oh my God, they're still in the ocean.

The director got fired.

This is going to ruin his career.

So Costner said he didn't want to do any movie.

He was going through a divorce.

He just finished the longest movie shoot in history.

The average movie films for 40 to 60 days.

I had just done 157 days on Water World.

I was really low.

I was down.

My heart was in the ground.

I was all wet.

And he was still wet.

And then, uh, Shelton basically is like, Come on, dude!

He's like, Hey, what if we pay you to learn how to play golf for six months?

Yeah, we'll be outside, we'll get we'll get some cute girlfriend for you.

Yeah, I that's my question.

I want to ask this.

I haven't, I don't, haven't seen this in the research, I'll just pose it to the panel.

Well, do you think that when he learned that Renee Russo, as he's going through his divorce, that Renee Russo is going to be I think she was married at that point, though?

Yeah, yeah, he's probably suggesting a bunch of single actresses he's like what about jennifer andiston could she do be a sports psychologist um he said uh

he said that shelton wrote in the uh the script thing at the uh swing thing to make that more realistic the thing that he nailed the most he nailed the demeanor of being a golfer but he was really good at the i made a big shot hold the putt up the club is just the coolest move i and it's a hard one to pull off like if we did it i'm not sure it looks cool but when he does it it looks really cool and he had he also did when he shoots the 62

and he does the say which by the way he does the same move and for love of the game but he just has little athlete tricks even though he's not an athlete um i think he got some pointers on that from the golf folks they they they wanted to lend that authenticity in terms of like here's how a golfer would do it kind of thing he did have some douchey quotes in the research about golf that i don't know if you saw it was basically like i mean i could have played golf but you're out there four or five hours a day like i don't don't want to spend my days like that, like kind of shitting on golf.

Don Johnson played all the time.

He was like an eight handicap.

Oh, really?

And yeah.

I thought Costner Swing was better than Don Johnson.

Oh, that was House's hot take.

I didn't even feel like that was hot.

It was that hot of a take.

I agree.

Now, part of the thing is

if in post-production, they did anything to Don Johnson.

That's fair.

If they were speeding up Costner's swing, that's one thing.

But I thought they were cutting around Don Johnson more than they were Costner.

So apparently in the research, they changed Don Johnson's swing so it seemed more like a PGA swing.

And he was mad about it because he liked his swing, but he was like, All right, fine.

Okay, so they had like a quirky personal swing that they wanted to correct.

Yeah, but he was like cranking it, so he liked his other swing, yeah, and uh, and that one didn't work.

Um,

house, here's one for you.

Oh, Jacko, you'll enjoy this as well.

Good, good.

Are you having a good time, Jacko?

You're doing a good job, executive producer.

He's doing a fine job working on Gahatus.

I'm more camera.

Yeah.

Camera three.

Camera three.

1996, most important golf year ever.

Tigers.

Thanks.

Here we are.

Here's 96.

Yeah.

Oh, I got houses full attention.

I mean, I thought that was like an Espresso show.

I can't anticipate some of this, so I'm looking forward to it.

Happy Gilmore comes out of February.

The most beloved golf movie other than maybe Caddyshack ever made.

But it's those two in the finals.

The Faldo Norman Masters is in April.

The most traumatic golf event of our life, which is funny because Think Cup comes out.

Think up by Norman.

Literally, has there been,

I think that was the most traumatic sports event without question, golf-wise.

Like, Faldo won the, you know what happened to that, right?

There is an argument for the guy, the Frenchman, who had a, you know, multi-shot.

We had way more ties to Greg Norman.

He had been the guy for 10 years.

Like, he was.

Greg Norman was basically

the best golfer in the world who never won the big one.

Yeah, was he like basically like Bryson level of Bryson number one?

Like one of those like big, big South African, big swing,

had all the talent.

He's Australian.

He's Australian.

Australian name.

South African.

My first mistake.

This is great to have Jacko here.

It's like, it's like, correct him.

I'm like Australian.

I jump on the bike.

But he melted down in the 86 Masters.

Like he famously held, but he could never get over the hump.

And then by the time we got to this,

it was basically like, what's his face now, Tommy Fleetwood?

Yes.

Where you're just like,

he's got a lead with four holes left.

You know, he's going to blow it.

I mean, you know, Norman, career-wise, much more accomplished than Fleetwood.

I mean, that's what he said.

But so he has the masters.

He's up by multiple strokes and falls apart.

On the 18th.

No, on the back night.

All Sunday.

Yeah.

All day Sunday.

Legendary lead.

Yeah.

Nick Faldo came back from six strokes to win.

So Faldo wins.

It's so awful that Faldo wins.

He doesn't even celebrate and he just walks over to Norman and hugs him.

just, yeah, it's like guilty.

Anyway, that happened.

Tiger wins his third straight U.S.

amateur, which had never happened, the three-peat, and he's about to turn pro.

Tiger signs with Nike.

Completely changes cough.

Tin Cup comes out in August.

Tiger launches his PGA career that summer as well, wins his first PGA event.

And we're off.

Golf has now reset.

We have pop culture in place.

We have the Nike thing.

We're about to have the boom and Tiger blows up the next year.

I'm making the case.

I don't know if I'm right.

I think you're right.

I mean,

it's definitely a shift because you can see it in this movie.

Yes.

The guys they have in this movie, it's like, hey, there's Billy Mayfair.

There's John Cook.

Like, these guys were not stars.

Yeah.

And it just felt like

young Nicholson was in there at least.

Yeah.

Gambling.

You know who was the number one who won the U.S.

Open and was the number one golfer in 1996?

This makes my point.

The immortal Tom Lehman.

How many Tom Lehman combos have you had?

Nicholas won his last senior PGA this year, too.

26.

Also, the golf movie didn't really continue after the late 90s.

The early 2000s.

Dejin and Bagger Advance really set it back for 10 years.

Yeah, seven days of utopia is out there.

There's a handful, but they're not.

I agree with you that there should be more of them.

Yeah, I think it's one of the easiest.

It's easy to film.

Yeah.

Like I said, you can have characters interacting and talking and doing things while the sport is being played.

It's the easiest to kind of cut around.

It's probably the easiest to shoot.

Surprised there's not more.

I always thought the layup idea for a golf movie that, and I think I might have even written this, I was sitting there, was somebody like, basically almost like,

I'm trying to think like a Michael Vick type character, like somebody that would be more in football and basketball, but comes in and it's almost like the movie Entourage.

And it's like this culture.

clash with the PGA tour because we've never, we never really had anything like that.

I always thought that would have been fascinating to just put that kind of athlete into the tour for a movie idea.

It's like a serious version of Happy Gilmore almost.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Never happened.

Yeah.

Happy Gilmore is the silly version of it.

Ron Shelton.

So he has those big three.

He also wrote Blue Chips and Great White Hype.

Did Blaze, Cobb, Play at the Bone, had like a 12-year run.

Just basically was like, I want to do a golf movie and had his partner, this guy, John Norville, who is a co-writer with him.

They had a producer, Gary Foster, and they're just like, what can we do?

What can we do?

So apparently in the 93 Masters, this guy named Chip Beck, who was a grip it and rip it guy,

he laid up on the par five, 15th hole during the final round, trailing by three shots.

And it became a big deal that he laid up, even though he lost the thing.

And they were like, This is an idea.

What if we could create a movie around a guy who never lays up?

And they go, He's like, Shelton said, His flaws, he can't lay up, he's incapable of laying up.

And

that was it.

And then the other thing was trying to figure out how do we make this a blue-collar golf movie, not like a Nouveau Rich golf movie, which is usually how people attack golf.

They usually do like the outsider who doesn't fit in.

Well, the mid-90s, for sure, that was a much larger task than now.

Golf's more accessible now.

I'm not going to

go through a whole version of that.

It's definitely more diverse than it was in the world.

It's more diverse and more accessible than it was in 1996.

So

the 12 had roots in, ironically, Gary McCord at the 1986 St.

Jude FedEx.

Who can forget that one?

Needed a birdie to win the tournament, Jacko.

Kept reaching the hazard

and

ended up, I think, with a 15.

Wow.

And they filed that one away as well.

Renee Russo.

I made this case on a previous podcast.

I like Craig's reaction when he just said

you didn't know where you were going.

Best 1990s of any actress.

I made this case on a previous rewatch.

Best 90s of any actress.

Oh, my goodness.

Julia Roberts?

This is a hot take right here.

From 89 to 99, Major League, Lethal Weapon 3, Free Jack, In the Line of Fire, Outbreak, Get Shorty, Tin Cup, Ransom, Lethal Weapon 4, Thomas Crown Affair.

A lot of doubles.

Julia has like two homers and outs.

Just like, just double plays and case.

Yeah, I texted Belle watching it the second time.

I texted both of you saying, one of you is going to need to kind of describe to me the Renee Russo case.

There's been a couple era-dependent actresses that I don't know if have translated different eras.

So she's in her.

She's a little bit in the Sean Young category.

Yeah, you didn't get the Sean Young thing either.

No.

She's a little older in this movie than during the beginning of her run, but she was like a model in her 20s and converted to being an actress

and just was was in everything.

I think her superpower was always she could connect with whoever she was with in a movie,

but felt attainable to basically anyone in the movie.

One of those?

I was loves her.

I love her.

You're in.

And I think what you just said is absolutely on the money.

And I think that this movie could have been a disaster.

Part of the challenge with the rom part of it, the romantic part of it is like we're using sensibilities.

My man, Kevin Coster,

has his hands on her within the first

15 minutes of having known her, but there is a magnetism that

is apparent, and

there is a connection between the two of them.

And I believed it right away.

Jacko, can you think of another actress who could have romanced in a movie?

Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, Pierce Brosnan, Mel Gibson, John Trabalt, and Dustin Hoffman.

That's a murderer's row right there.

That's a murderer's row.

That's a tough one.

No, not off the top of my head.

No, no, I can't think of one.

She was like, Cruz, too big of a mountain to climb.

Can't do it.

I got to draw the line at Shibolta.

That's as far as I'll go.

But you love Renee Russo, too.

I do, yeah.

Maybe Craig is too young to appreciate Renee Russo.

Maybe I'd be our age.

There's not her type.

I don't know if that exists now.

Who's the Renee Russo of right now?

I don't know.

She looks great.

She's ubiquitous.

She was ubiquitous in this era.

So who else?

Like, who has this?

Even even if you do is it jennifer lawrence with this like you know that if they make this movie now jennifer lawrence is this i would go in that direction personally yeah that i would prefer i would love jennifer lawrence

yeah

steve money steve money poor renee russo well hold on to your seat for this quote i'll give you two choices for who said it it's either jacko or costner

ron cast broads and i say broads as a term endearment a girl who can hang with guys and make everybody feel like they have a chance even when they don't.

And Coster's like, that's why we're named Russo is great.

Do we need to bring Broads back into the Lexicon?

I'm going to say no.

It feels like it's now taken on a little bit of a derogatory feel.

I would say so.

I would never refer to women like that, Bill.

I can't believe you put me as one of the possibility choices.

I like what Coster's like, and I say Broads is a term of endearment.

Okay.

Speaking of endearment, Don Johnson,

as you know, one of my all-time favorites.

At the tail end of his Miami Vice is 84.

This is 96.

He's starting to move.

He's going to be at Nash Bridges soon on CBS.

Good friends with

Don Johnson and Coster, good friends in real life.

Johnson was supposed to be Elliot Ness in the Untouchables and couldn't do it because of Miami Vice.

And Costner got the job and Coster's career took off.

They stayed friends.

I thought he was a really believable PGA golfer.

The hair, the demeanor, the way he carries himself, the accent, it's, it's just, he nailed it.

Impeccable.

And, and I love the wardrobe choices as well, like super on point.

Um, some of the research I saw suggested that it was supposed to be Alec Baldwin in the first place, but they had some pregnancy difficulty.

Can basically basically

stepping on a very important category called casting what-ifs, and it's just a complete breach of the podcast.

Oh, I misunderstood that.

Craig knows.

We're talking about

house and I'm going to keep it in as a cautionary tale to future hosts.

Lay up next time.

Lay up, House.

Don't go for the green and two with a casting what if in the opening.

Uh, Don Johnson looked great.

The infinity visor looked great.

Amazing.

I honestly thought he was pretty likable, chill guy throughout the whole movie.

They kind of just add that one scene to turn him into the middle.

Make him a dick.

Yeah, it was like the studio gave him the note.

You had to find some reason to root against him.

I was kind of rooting for him halfway through the movie.

I was like, I like the Jaddy Lawrence guy.

He's like, why did did he go out of his way to go find Roy to be his caddy?

That's a solid.

He's not treating Roy as a dick.

I mean, you know, yes, it is you saying, be my caddy, but there's a method to the madness.

He knows Roy's in tough straits.

And also,

why would he accommodate his girlfriend going to Roy for lessons?

Has it ever apparent that is that a behind-the-back thing?

It's what it is.

It's a big nitpick.

Inexplicable love triangles in movie history.

Movie history.

I get sports movie history.

Sports movie history.

I understand, I guess, like if she's not telling Don Johnson who she's getting lessons from, that's fine.

But once he finds out, him just allowing that to continue after he watched Coster put his hands all over her hips.

He's there at the second lesson.

That was the second.

We're supposed to believe that's the second lesson.

They had a 12-minute first lesson.

You hit one good ball.

Lesson's over.

Pay up, please.

Second lesson.

Oh, I'm late.

I'm 20 minutes late to the lesson.

Let me see you swing.

Oh, now let's talk about your personal life.

Oh, that means, you know, his hands are all over it.

Then Don Johnson's there.

He's spooning her.

Costner is spooning her upright.

And Don Johnson goes, easy, buddy.

Yes, the rare movie where the super handsy, inappropriate, alcoholic guy is the hero.

Can I ask a question that was just raised by something House said?

Why didn't she just go to Don Johnson to learn to play golf?

I had that in epics as well.

Anybody in his entire organization.

Entourage.

He is a PGA.

He's like a major quality professional golfer.

Right.

Would you be upset if your wife went to Danny Heifitz for podcasting advice and you found out she was secretly meeting with him?

I'd be furious, especially if Heifitz was handsy.

Well, part of the challenge for me also is why is she in Salome, Texas?

What pushed her

or why is

taking three nitpicks and a casting web off the board?

Blending it all together.

Why is David Sims dating a woman who lives in this random area of Texas?

Yeah, and what's her sports psychology business looking like in West Texas where it's just a bunch of people work for a driver?

I do believe that David Sims is a top five golfer in the world, right?

They give us that impression.

He's the first round leader of the U.S.

Open.

Yeah, isn't he like flying from tournament to tournament?

Yeah, every week.

And he's dating this woman who has a tiny job outside of El Paso, Texas.

Yeah.

He's a lot of it does not.

But why have a girlfriend in Salome?

It's because he's a good guy.

Jacko knows how much I love Don Johnson because you were there as I forced you to watch Miami Vice episodes.

Oh, I liked Miami Vice.

You didn't force me, but yeah, you had all the Miami Vices recorded and you would play them over and over.

That's one of the most controversial moments of the Rewatchables is we did two episodes of Miami Vice episodes.

We did a TV movie, yeah.

Controversial for who?

I thought it was glorious.

For movie fans everywhere.

It was great.

This movie has 35 PJ Golfer cameos,

including a very young skinny Phil Mickelson, who we'll get to later, the Walrus Craig Stadler, Johnny Miller, Corey Pavan, Fred Couples, Peter Jacobson, all the CBS people are there, and House's guy, George Michael, the sports machine.

Do you know what Sports Machine was?

I don't.

So it was a half-hour sports highlight show that started in House's Neck of the Woods, D.C.

NBC Channel 2.

And they started syndicating.

It was Sunday night, and they would just show highlights of, and it was basically like Sports Center and ESPN or this.

And I used to like the Sports Machine because they would show wrestling every once in a while.

They'd be like, let's go to the.

Yeah, George was

early

an adopter of wrestling.

And I think his show preceded Sports Center.

He might have even, you're right, he might have been ahead of it, but he would, uh, they'd do like blue, it's like now bloopers, and you'd just see like a baseball part hitting the balls.

Great TV.

Yeah, it was great.

It was like, we were starving for any sports.

So it was great to see

a couple golf things from this movie.

Just a pure feeling is a well-struck golf shot.

I agree with that.

You can play golf, you could shoot a 110,

but those two are just like, it's just perfect.

Keeps coming.

That's what, that's why you walk away.

Yeah.

Sex and golf are the two things you don't have to be good at to enjoy.

Not bad.

Yeah.

How about fantasy football?

I would throw that in there.

Yeah.

Because at the beginning of fantasy football, you think you have a shot, just like on the first team.

Like anybody can pick a fantasy football team.

Yeah.

It's funny.

Eating?

Eating.

You don't have to be good at eating?

No.

How do you, how are How is one of the things you're doing?

Like, you could be a bad eater.

You can eat bad food.

Well, I mean, that's.

Jeko, anything else you don't have to be good at to enjoy?

I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

I'll come back to you if you come up with one.

All right.

I'll think of it.

What about pooping?

I'm not sure that's.

You can rate that.

I'm not sure that's rateable.

Like eating and pooping.

I'm not sure those rating.

Fine.

Rate those.

All right.

Greatness courts failure, Romeo.

Like that one.

Good one for Josh.

I got to remember.

Philosophical golf lines.

Yeah, that shot was a defining moment.

When a defining moment comes along, you define the moment or the moment defines you.

I like that one as well.

$45 million budget made $75 million.

Roger Ebert.

Ooh, what's Roger think?

Did love it.

Three stars.

Oh, really?

Three stars.

I think he liked Renee Russo.

He said, Tin Cup is well written.

The dialogue is smart and fresh.

And when Tin Cup and Molly are talking to each other, they savor the joy of language.

The movie is strong and supporting characters.

Roger, he likes story.

He thought it was a little bloated, like Craig did.

You know.

What was the one we did the other day that was 90 minutes?

You were over the moon excited about it?

Oh, we didn't do it.

We were looking at a movie that was 90 minutes, and you were like, 90 minutes.

Oh, man.

In and out.

That's what you need.

Sagals catalog, Craig really enjoyed when we were doing the like 92, 94.

What did Cisco think of it?

uh

we never

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Coming back for the categories.

Johnny, you remembered one thing.

I did.

I remembered one thing you don't have to be good at to enjoy, being a podcast guest.

Great job on you, Johnny.

Podcast cameos.

I find, you know, you don't have to be great at it.

Being executive producer of the rewatchable third episode.

Executive producing this podcast.

Most rewatchable scene.

Molly's first lesson when she's got all those devices.

He does the poem about the golf swing, the explanation of the unfinished follow-through.

And then

Roy's theory and a golf swing, gaining control of your life and letting go at the same time.

You agree with that?

You play a lot of golf.

I love it.

I love that whole,

you know, 11 minutes or whatever it is, that interaction between the two of them.

It's a wonderful introduction to who he is, where she's coming from.

She arrives with nothing but question marks.

Like, I'm like, what?

Why is she dressed like that?

She is super hot.

Why does she find this guy?

But why is she dressed like that?

Why can't everyone dress like that?

The chemistry.

Chemistry is there.

And

she hits one ball.

That's the Renee Russo superpower, though.

Always has great chemistry with whoever the leading man is.

And I like when you can have chemistry with Travolta, you're really pulling it off.

It's not like an extensive list.

I do like a lot of Costner's lines about golf.

You can tell he's like a guy, the character of Roy, all he does is think about golf.

He's like weirdly philosophical and poetic for such kind of like a hillbilly,

but you do buy it.

And it does reflect how people think about golf.

It's the the most frustrating and beautiful sport.

That's the thing that Shelton and who was the other writer?

Norville, Norva?

Yeah, and Gary.

Those guys are golf nuts.

They're sickos.

And that's what came through.

They used

Costner McAvoy

to be the voice that articulates that golf sicko.

Roy Caddys for Sims.

Very enjoyable scene.

Great laying up versus going at Conundrum.

We established that.

We get the Walrus, Craig Stadler, coming in hot.

making bets.

We get Phil Mickelson young making bets.

How fucking funny was that?

Talk about what's age the best for Phil Mickelson getting action on something.

That was not the last time for Phil.

Maybe that's where he got a taste for it.

What's this gambling thing?

The set of tin cups.

I love when he says 13 years on the tour, you're still a pussy.

Great stuff.

Sims fires him, and then we get the sports machine in that section.

Roy tries to qualify as another scene where he breaks all his clubs, uses the seven-iron for the last seven holes, shoots 65.

That would be a great real-life tournament is if golfers had to pick one club and play around against one another.

What would your club be?

People do that.

And in fact, there is a tournament out there called the Tin Cup.

You have to go play the whole thing with the seven iron.

Oh, really?

Yeah, that's out there.

Would that be the club you picked?

I understand the versatility of it.

I personally would take a hybrid because I can putt with a hybrid and chip with the hybrid, but I understand.

So, you can drive with a hybrid?

Yeah, I can hit a hybrid off a T decent enough.

I love the seven-iron.

Yeah, and it's one of the things that keeps me coming back on golf courses.

Yeah.

Seven-iron is great.

Great club.

I like when he says, What was my best shot?

Was it the seven-iron on 12?

Was it the seven-iron on 13?

He just keeps saying seven irons.

Roy versus Sims when they make the bet and Sims does the trick on them.

And she says, Why do men insist on measuring their dick?

Which I got to to say, that trick where Sims hits the ball down the road and out drives McAvoy,

that's kind of a main character.

That's a protagonist thing to do, you know?

I was like, that's a pretty cool move.

Craig loves David Sims.

He does.

They should have gave that to McAvoy, you know?

Sim staying over here.

Yeah.

Roy qualifies.

With the double bogey blues, which wins the Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness Award, best needle drop.

Jack, I was looking

on Spotify for the entire soundtrack.

Tin Cup soundtrack had some bangers.

He loved the sex song.

We're doing sex right now.

It's going to be all night.

It's been like it all night long.

I'm giving you some sex.

Plus, there's another song where he's like, he tells her he loves her and he goes to the driving his driving range and they have like a classic 90s montage thing.

And there was some music playing in that one.

That was a good one, too.

Yeah.

A couple of bangers on that soundtrack.

I'm going to look very mid-90s.

I don't know how Cheryl Crowe wasn't involved.

Chris Isaacs in there at one point.

Great point.

Yeah, the Roy Getting Laid song is called This Could Take All Night.

We are doing some six.

This could take all that.

She asked for a mulligan.

She's like, dude, tee it up this time.

I don't know what that means.

Yeah, did Roy like have premature ejaculation issue?

It seemed like it was an ED.

She seemed like definitely disappointing.

He took 12 shots that night, too.

She was like, I just dumped this guy who makes six million a year.

He's like the sixth golfer in the PGA.

Roy McKay's got whiskey drinks.

He's six right now.

Roy can't even get it up.

What did I do?

Uh, Roy hits the pelican.

Enjoyable.

How said he could get it through the door, but not at the pelican.

Yeah, the distance, keeping it that low with the distance is tough.

Carrying it on that line, which Jacko was upset because he was worried the pelican was harmed in real life.

So he googled that.

I was hoping PETA was on set that day to make sure no pelicans were harmed in that filming.

Um, Roy shoots a 62,

I think, is my favorite part of the movie because it's incredible.

Nance, all of a sudden, it turns into like he's, you know, Nance doing the 86 masters or something.

The most striking thing to me is the first time we see Nance because his voice is the exact same.

I can detect no differences whatsoever between 1996 and 2025.

And my mind and my brain, I've heard it so many.

And then this young, handsome fella is like, hey, look at young Jim Nance.

Hello, friends.

God,

so good.

Well, plus, him and Ventori.

and i was i mean i was gonna do the sports stage the best i'll just do it now the the the mid sea mid 90s cbs golf coverage

like felt like the first time people had really figured out golf coverage correctly with that whole crew they had that led right into tiger in 97.

but uh that 96 masters with faldo nicholas it was kind of the modern version of all this stuff and and the history that leads up to that is cbs so cbs never did a us open that was like part of the ha ha i think with this thing yeah um that they they were, you know, it was CBS on the, but

it would have been NBC.

Yeah.

CBS had the masters.

Yes.

And Frank Dracinian is like the legendary guy in the truck.

And he was so compelling in the, in the research to Shelton and his team that I think they wrote in all of that activity in the booth.

And that does sound set up, I think, a nice sort of narrative.

It's like in your ear, those guys plus Nansen and Venturi.

It's arguably why the movie works so well, The Last Hour, is because of the CBS coverage.

It feels like a real tournament.

Also, really ahead of its time in 96.

Like that sports movies were so conventional, and it just felt like we were getting access to this world that I only knew on my Square TV.

I mean, even Happy Gilmore had Vern Lundquist, and I'm realizing that, man, fictional golf tournaments with real professional

sports media people covering it.

We could make 10 of those a year.

I'd watch them.

Well, it's interesting.

Vern Lundquist not in this movie, but is in Happy Gilmore.

do you think he tried to double dip it or he was like he's also in happy gilmore too next to post malone yeah did you like that scene i i i it wasn't as craig was not a fan of happy gilmore too that one didn't stick um i really like in the 62 oh no it's coming up next my bad uh roy's final round

some a couple really good they have a nice wide shot putt when he makes that long one on 10 and they go wide i love when sports movies go wide they never do it they always want to do these quick cuts and keep keep close.

And they go wide.

You see him sizing up the putt.

You see Sims over watching him and the caddy.

And then he drains it.

You see Cheech Marin in the background in the gallery.

It really feels like

a tournament.

Yeah.

And I have to imagine one reason why it works to make golf movies is because you can just, you can have everybody in the audience sitting in the same place and you can just have Costner taking shots

over and over and over.

You can do 20 of them.

One of them will work and it films perfectly still.

It's not like basketball or football.

You got to reset everything.

It's physical.

It's demanding.

You can just go over and over until he hits these 20-foot putts.

It's really good.

It all sets up 18.

Renee Rousseau says, I've never been with the man who went for it.

She's also never been with a man who got whiskey dick for Sunday hooked up.

Why does the Eagle roll off the greenhouse?

Let's do the nitpick now.

Okay.

So let's set it though.

It's like 230, 240 to the green.

Right.

He pulls out a three wood, which is a realistic distance for a three wood for a professional golfer.

Yes.

It's over the water.

It will just then like to further set the context, it's a persimmon head on a steel shaft, like that era.

Super authentic.

Like the modern technology didn't exist.

Like the golf clubs that exist now are like rocket ships compared to what those guys were playing with in that era.

Do the golf clubs now, the ball would stop when it landed or it does not.

Well, this is the thing.

Let Craig set it up.

I mean, what are you saying?

Well, so yeah, three wood 237.

It's got to carry 230.

That's the problem.

You can't roll 230.

Like, you have to carry 235.

And yeah, a club like that, I mean, that thing's flying off the green.

I mean, with a wood like that, that ball stays low and it flies.

You would need real loft and spin to have that thing stick like it was and roll backwards.

So that the

feels like it would bounce and keep going and roll off the green.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

The behavior of the ball on the green is utterly implausible.

It's a pure fiction.

It doesn't make any sense.

It defies the laws of physics.

That club coming in at the trajectory that it was coming in, and then they, what they show on camera, they could have made a different choice.

Is the ball coming in from a height and landing softly enough?

There's no chance, there's no spin on that.

It's not possible.

And that's the two first two shots that he hits both spin backwards.

It's ludicrous.

The only parallel would be the uh the the uh 16 maybe on masters

when some of the when they put the pin a certain place and sometimes the ball can roll backwards but those are like

fly chip shots that yeah bounce down yeah 15 nation a wood is going straight and long and hard also can i do a picking nits now about this scene yeah we i have a couple more we got to do it now i think because this is we're diving into it earlier in the movie he hits the seven iron 227

well now it did bounce and roll out.

But so you're telling me he hits the seven-iron 220, hits the three-wood 230?

Great point.

Well, there's

the wind, the act of God with the wind.

You should have pulled out the seven-iron for one of them.

This is the ringer difference.

You're not going to get this kind of level of sports analysis on other movie podcasts.

You're just going to be able to get it.

All you pseudophiles out there love this sports iron 210.

Five iron should be a 220 carry.

Yes, 225 carry.

My other nitpick, so he asked for the ball again.

He refuses to drop in the drop zone, which is ludicrous.

Even if he's like, I can hit this, try to win the U.S.

Open, then come back after and try to hit it.

You have to do it now in the biggest moment of your life where there's like, I don't know, what was the prize money back then?

It had to have been a million dollars.

Try to win the U.S.

Open?

When you win the U.S.

Open, you're on the tour like forever, right?

It's life-defining.

It's life-altering.

It changes everything about the entire rest of your life.

For Tin Cup, 200 bucks would have changed his life.

And I guarantee you that first was more than 200 bucks.

He was losing like a million dollars every time he hit it into the water.

Right.

So he,

he, he, for some reason, and then the same thing happens.

And then he falls apart.

He starts hitting the water.

And the crowd, the third time he hits in the water, they cut to the crowd and the crowd's like, oh.

And we were saying, we feel like this would be like watching.

Scatman Cruthers get murdered in the shining level reaction by the crowd.

I don't think anyone's making a noise after the second one.

Being in the stadium when Paul George snapped his leg in half.

It would be the most awkward this is like a sports injury crime

i think by the third shot

the crowd is staring in horror

um nobody is saying anything you can hear a pin drop and it's probably the most awkward sporting event you can go to let me guess let me ask this because

well i'll just ask it i don't know do you think that fan behavior in 1996 is is um qualitatively different than fan behavior in 2025

well i think well at a golf, I guess, in normal things, they'd be holding their stupid phones, right?

But in golf, you can't have your phone.

No, I think it'd be around the same.

In most golf things.

Because the Norman thing, we had this in 96 with Norman, and the crowd is dead.

If you go back and watch that

last four rounds, the crowd is like just complete there in the headlights.

Which is really rare when you can get an entire group of people to just have dare in the headlights.

The reason I ask that, and I do, as you're talking,

I think that a golf crowd in 1996 would have maintained that decorum, the reverence, that whole thing of being, you're in a special place.

It's a special tournament.

People are not going to be yelling mashed potatoes or whatever.

In 2025, the crowd would have, I think, turned, like, people would have been angry.

People, I like, the, the, like, and, and been vocal, like, you know, using bad words

at any point.

What the fuck are you doing?

Yeah, phones are out.

People are going live on Instagram.

People are laughing at him.

He can't recover.

At least in the 90s, it becomes lore.

It's like stoic that he does this, and he almost becomes like a you know, some figure that you can look back on and be like, wow, that's the guy who stuck to his guns.

2025, he's getting destroyed.

It would have been a national like Twitter moment.

Yeah.

A unifying moment on Twitter where everybody's like, what is Colt Moron doing?

Like, it's just that.

And he's a laughing stock for the rest of his life.

What's the worst thing you ever saw in person at a sporting event?

Oh, boy, you're putting me on the spot here.

I like putting Jacko on the spot from completely unprepared for no reason.

I'm trying to think what I've seen.

I've been to a lot of good games.

I can't remember seeing something that

just completely flummoeds everybody.

I haven't been to any of those.

You know what it would be?

Oh, so this is a good one.

I went to the J.R.

Smith timeout game.

Oh, sure.

Now, the Warriors fans were excited for that, but I guess that was the closest of people were just like, wait, whatcha,

what just happened?

So I think it would just be like that for five minutes.

Um, a couple other things about this scene.

Russo is great in this scene because you're thinking about the shots and the things, but they she's just really funny in the way she's like every shot is just running through her whole body.

And then she starts laughing like a crazy person.

And I don't know, she's just great.

And the announcer reactions are unbelievable.

The guys in the booth, Nance and Ventori, their reactions.

I thought that was the most, I actually thought that was realistic.

I agree.

I think they gave their a full,

I think that might have even been ad-libbed.

I don't think there was like a script for ad-libb.

Just completely flashed.

It's great.

Usually those are bad scenes in sports movies, not this time.

I love the guys jumping in the lake.

I like when she says, no one's going to remember the open five years from now.

They're going to remember the 12.

It was immortal.

I'm like, she's right.

I love you.

And then he says, nice par, David, as he's carrying her away,

which you thought could have meant one of two things.

I never even considered that it was about him parring the the hole because as House pointed out earlier today, we didn't even see Sims finish the hole.

Yeah, we have no idea what he did.

So I guess he parred, but I thought he was making a joke like he got a birdie by getting Renee Russo and now David Sims gets this.

I like the double entendre for that.

Like you settled once again for the woman.

So is this a better movie if he eagles 18 and gets a minus 10 and the movie goes that way and that's what we've had for the last 29 years?

No, this is a good ending, I think.

I agree.

I prefer this.

What do you think, Cheka?

No, I think it's just a a cliched typical cliche sports movie then and this one i think i like that they went in a different direction yeah because on the first watch it's agonizing yeah you have no idea this is coming i mean everything every movie you've ever watched leaves that's why i wanted you to watch it again because i was like oh when he sees it the second second time around you're like this is kind of awesome this guy rocks so what's your most rewatchable scene

I I stand by the beginning because I just think that it sets everything up about who he is and there's enough mystery with her.

And I, I'm a, I'm in that sucker for the golf sicko stuff.

So he does the whole poetry thing.

And then he's like, well, the other alternative is grip it and rip it.

And he drops out, let the big dog eat.

I'm on that stall right in my, that's in my wheelhouse, Joe House Wheelhouse.

So that was, that's my favorite.

What do you got?

I'll go, I mean, the whole last hour.

The second we get to the open, the music starts playing.

You get the drone shots, but a smaller scene.

Not drone, 1996.

You're right, helicopter shots.

The one part we didn't mention that I love that smaller scene within that, is when he first gets to the U.S.

Open and he has the Shanks and he's warming up with everybody.

That is the worst shank I think I've.

I mean, he is hostling those balls literally backwards.

This is coming up in a different category.

House has some thoughts on that.

I like when he shoots the 62, and I just basically like the last 40 minutes of the movie until the last five minutes, which shouldn't exist, but we'll talk about that later.

What's the most 1996 thing about this movie?

We already talked about young Jim Nance, man.

David Sims is sponsored by Nissan and Infinity, and I'm not even sure.

Like, do those are those golf sponsors?

Maybe in the mid-90s they were.

I mean, car sponsors for sure.

Like, you know, that's a very common now.

It'd be like Rivian.

Well, it's uh, Genesis.

There's there's literally a tournament in here in Los Angeles, California.

You mentioned Roy's Walkman.

We just watched one.

Yeah, Roy's Walkman is very 96.

The Fuji film blimp.

Oh, they make a Fuji film anymore.

No chance.

The, I think that I like this girl, 90s music driving range montage, where it's like, I think I'm in love with her.

It just was gone by the 2000s.

He's reading Ring magazine at one point.

I don't know if anyone's read that in the 21st century.

They probably read online.

Renee Russo's hair.

It's like that.

Jennifer Aniston Friends year one kind of whatever.

Somebody says the line, look, it's lee jansen and billy mayfair excitedly

um but my winner is craig stadler's clothes and craig stadler the clothes in general cross the board also i think everybody looks great in this movie i hope that style comes back in golf it's not that far away we got some pleated pants

the the skinny guys in the pleated pants like costner looks great he looks great doesn't he big white like the straight leg pleated pants Who's the best dress golfer right now to you, House?

Oh, wow.

Oh, boy.

I thought Ludveg Oberg looked great at the Masters.

Yeah,

I like some of the Jay Lindbergh that

my man Victor Hovin wears, even though sometimes they put him, it's a little clowny.

But I'm a sucker for Ralph Lorraine, so I've always been a Billy Hoho guy.

Billy Horschel in the Ralph Lorraine.

He's my guy.

What about Fleetwood?

He's fine.

It's Nike.

It's like, you know, I think the Nike stuff's fine.

Yeah, he's trying to throw him a bone.

He's lost 17 tournaments.

You want him to win someone?

I'm trying to give him one win.

Fair enough.

Any other 96 things about this movie?

I think they should have shoehorned in a couple more 96 music.

Like, where was Hootie and the Blowfish?

How are they not in this?

Sitting right there.

It might have been too big for the Tin Cup soundtrack.

You think they cheaped out?

I think they couldn't pay for Vern Lundquist or Hootie and the Blowfish.

$45 million budget.

They only had $44 million to play with.

What's age the best?

I have a bunch of stuff, but do you have a big one, House?

It's just Jim Nance.

I mean, like I say, like the first time I hear his.

God, get a fucking room with Jim Nance.

Jesus.

Awkward.

Get a Winnebago with that guy.

No, I have Jim Nance as well.

What do you have, Craig?

Yeah, Mickelson gambling.

I mean, come on.

Yeah.

The concept of getting the shanks.

Also, sports therapy, sports mental kind of, you know,

that was my biggest one.

Way ahead of its time.

This is like 10 years ahead of its time.

I think this is one of the gimmicks in this movie.

It was like, this is this kooky sports psychology lady, and it works for Roy.

So then Stadler comes over and is like, hey, can we try this?

He's pretty good in that scene.

Yeah, he's pretty nasty.

He's really good.

Stadler.

Stadler was quality.

I have a.

Also, would you want her to be your therapist after watching McAvoy break down on 18?

That's a great point.

You come, hey, I saw what you did to McAvoy.

You broke his brain.

I'd love to get that.

Also, he's a premature ejaculator.

He was tied for the lead of the U.S.

Open on the 18th hole.

I want the analysis of the woman that gets in, hit another one, hit another one.

Yeah, just go for it, Roy.

I'd like to see a year of McAvoy first before I pay his in her defense.

Immediately after he hits the first one in the water, she says, Now go do the correct thing.

Hit the layup.

Yeah, she does say it.

So

she keeps her creds, her

psychology creds to me.

Sports psychology, way ahead of its time.

I had a couple more.

Calling the driver the big dog and then screaming, let the big dog eat.

Okay, I wanted to.

That's been 30 years of people saying that.

Did this movie invent that?

Yes.

Really?

Yes.

What about Grip It and Rip It?

Was that this movie?

Very possible.

I feel like it was Grippet and Rip It of John Daly.

I was wondering about that.

Did John Daly come up with that or did this movie come up with it?

Because wasn't that John Daly's philosophy?

And he's probably like three years before this, right?

He preceded the movie.

I think his thing was Grippet.

I think that was in Sports Illustrated.

See, that's one of the fun

experiences for me going back and watching older movies is I hear these lines that sound cliche to me now.

And I'm like, oh, let the big dog eat.

And then me and my brothers-in-law were like, wait a minute, did they, did they come up with that phrase?

I think they did.

Pretty impressive.

When I was at ESPN, the guy who ran sales was this guy at Earhart, who was old school, played golf with all the sponsors kind of guy.

And he used to, his whole thing was grip it and rip it.

Yeah.

And every time I, I loved him.

Every time I saw him, I was like, grip it and rip it.

What do we got going?

But he was just like one of those guys.

That belongs to a different era.

Like nobody would say that now in a business setting.

Would Would they?

Let's bring it back.

All right.

Also, the doctor riddle at the beginning of the movie is another riddle that I've heard my whole life.

Was that popularized by this movie?

Or has that been, or was that around?

That I don't know.

I think that was probably predated.

I think that just moved.

An old, famous.

Yeah.

Couple more.

We mentioned all the CBS production boost stuff.

The sleek leather golf bags, House that I were admiring, those have just gone, golf bags have just become gigantic and unwieldy.

And I don't understand what we're doing.

Well, I think those bags were gigantic in their own right and heavy as F because

that's why we don't have them anymore, yeah, yeah, because whatever the materials that we're using, a couple small ones.

Any movie with a pawn shop involved,

just like a pawn shop, it's always a win.

Yeah, I mean, I'm always excited to be in one in a movie, Salome, Texas, pawn shops and strip clubs.

I mean, you know, we got

any movie with a strip joint involved, also a win.

Uh, par fives on 18, where you have to carry the water just in general.

Good, great.

What's the best course that has a par five with water?

I mean, Torrey Pines is probably the most famous.

You know, the North Course there.

Yeah, no, South Course, whatever.

I messed it up.

It doesn't matter.

Cheese Marin is a sidekick.

Young Jimmy Roberts grilling Roy after round three.

I'm surprised there weren't more fake, more real people in that scene.

More journalists?

Golf?

Yeah.

Golf.

Tom Renavi, they were probably like, get out, Tom.

Fuck you.

Lazy deep west Texas as a movie setting.

I was like, like, love it.

Midnight Run has like a whole stretch of the movie in there.

Varsity Blues is there.

It always works.

What was the armadillo budget for this movie?

Do you think there was a movie?

Was it the same armadillo or a family of armadillos?

There was multiple armadillos in one scene, so they must have had there must have been an armadillo wrangler.

The tin cup jokes that came out of this movie is a Woodstage the best.

Anytime somebody melts down, Vandeveld was the most famous one.

But anytime it happens in a tournament where somebody hits in the water laid, it's always like, oh, oh, here we go, tin cup.

Nash Bridges, Don Johnson and Cheech Baron ended up on Nash Bridges on CBS for like a million years together.

And then for what stage is the best, this is actually segues into the Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable story from the shoot that actually existed.

You know about Steven Seagal shitting on himself?

I do not.

Got choked out by a stunt coordinator and the god for justice and

allegedly shit on himself, denies that he shit on himself.

Kyle Brand and I litigated it for 20 minutes.

Wow.

So here's the story.

They wanted to get all the pros to be extras.

So they went to the PGA pro wives and offered them a banquet where they could meet Kevin Coster and Don Johnson in their primes.

And all the wives were like, and girlfriends were like, we want to meet.

And so all the pros ended up being in the movie for SAG minimum 600 bucks.

Wow.

That's a real story.

We'll take one more break and then we got the big kahuna burger award for best use of food and drink, which is a very important Joe House category.

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All right, House, the big Kahooner Burger Award for best use of food or drink.

I mean, it's the most obvious one.

They go to the Waffle House in between rounds, and you know, the folks, everybody,

both

Renee Rousseau and the other lady suggest, why don't we go somewhere else?

We got some money.

Let's go somewhere a little fancier.

And Roy is adamant.

Nope, we're staying right here.

I'm a Waffle House guy.

This is where I belong.

It's a secretly important tin cup scene.

It is.

It's like, no, we're not going to a steakhouse.

We're going to the fucking Waffle House.

I made the mistake asking House what his order would have been with the crew.

And as Jacko can attest, it was a 45-second answer above the pork chop, eggs.

He had it right ready to go.

Ash Brown's mother to come.

There was no thing cheating about.

There was a waffle for dessert.

Waffle for dessert.

Yeah.

Can I throw an honorable mention in for

chasing bourbon with liquid antacid?

Yeah.

Yeah, what was that?

Malox and whiskey.

I didn't even know that there was an antacid drink.

And he was just going back and forth.

Sounds like something.

That's true to the era, though.

The mailox in a bottle.

I still drink Pepto out of a bottle.

What?

I'll drink Pepto

out of a bottle.

I have a giant pink bottle in a closet.

And under certain circumstances, depends on, you know,

like an Indian food dinner night, right?

Like, like, like as a precautionary measure

right now.

No.

Indian food and a pepto-bismol chaser.

To get ahead of time.

No, it's night.

You wake up.

I was like, oh, you know, I got to calm things down.

Glug, glug, straight from the bottle, right back to bed.

It's awesome.

Right back to bed.

You wake up, glug back to sleep.

Yeah, because I've been awoken because of like you know, the acid reflux or whatever.

You know, I like how it keeps eating past the point when you should stop eating and then comedy,

it's an important thing.

Welcome to the Rewatchables brought to you by Pepto Bismillah, right?

We're giving them a free sponsor here.

Um,

the Great Shot Gorda Award, most cinematic shot.

Uh, that Roy, that wide shot on Royce, Royce putt on 10.

I really like

Dennethie's Benny Han Award, Scenes 2 in location.

Jacko voted for the golden tassel, the strip joint.

Good wide shot.

But it's got to be the 18th, the water.

Which you said was like a course in Houston that they kind of rejiggered.

Right.

Yeah.

I don't even think they rejiggered it.

I mean, you know,

the hole exists and you can play that golf hole.

I think it's a par four.

Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name.

Roy McAvoy is really good.

Yep.

That's like you have that name and you're just like, all right, it's a golf movie.

The guy's name is Roy McAvoy.

Funny story from Nance, my guy, my guy, Nance.

Your guy, he had in his head as Rory McElroy rose ascended to be careful because he had Roy McAvoy in his life way before he had Rory McElroy in his life.

And he confesses that he had to be careful early on as Rory Ascended.

I love, I love Nance.

House gets a flex category.

So I'm, I'm giving it, I'm giving, you created a category during this movie,

and it's called the

they're fucking category for we're watching this.

There's this moment with

Molly and

Roy

when she comes back for the second lesson and there's some body language stuff and House is like, is it a rewatchables category, the moment in the movie when you know the two characters are going to fuck?

And I'm like, no, it is.

So it's the, oh, they're fucking, I don't know.

Maybe we got to workshop the title a little bit, but um yeah, when he takes her to the river and he's licking her hands.

Oh, I'm sorry.

So it was when she stops by the trailer.

That's when it was.

I got it wrong.

To me, it was when he stops, when she stops by her trailer, his trailer at the house is like, is there a category

to commensurate this?

She came to the trailer ostensibly to apologize for not giving him the correct sort of therapeutic after he spilled his heart.

He spills his heart and she has a weird reaction and she calls up some other friend psychologist who obviously gives her terrible advice or she ignores the advice and goes to his trailer to apologize.

And I was like, that's it.

He, that is, it is game on.

I was thinking that would have been a good one to have for previous movies.

We've done like Basic Instinct.

Oh, yeah.

Where they're in the car and she's like, do you smoke shooter?

He's like, not anymore.

It's like, yes, you do.

And it's like, ah, they're fucking.

I'm going to workshop the title, though.

The

Butch's Girlfriend's Award, Butch's Girlfriend Award for week link of the film.

What did you have, Craig?

This movie has no lesson, there's like nothing to take away from this movie, but maybe that's the point.

But like, there's nothing to really learn, he doesn't learn.

He says that at the end, but I don't know.

Sports movies, like half the part of a sports movie is you come away with it with a lesson, right?

The lesson is don't lay up, right?

Isn't it?

Isn't it?

He ruined his life, or or he's now immortal.

He did qualify for next year's.

Plus for the open, and as house pointed out, when we're watching it it today, he probably made $10 million in endorsements.

Like Hooters is like there.

In 1996, Hooters is like, how much?

Yeah, Pepto Bismal.

It's like Pepto Bismillah.

He's the people's champion.

He takes John Daly's territory immediately.

That would be my only counter, but I think you're probably right.

The only other thing I had was

just for time, the entire stripper storyline, he owed her money, giving her the deed of the

city.

We've got 15 minutes worth of easy cut.

Can I get a vote?

Jacko, I have a spot for you in the rundown.

Do you get to do your thing now?

Well, I just...

This is for your weak link of the phone.

I think the ex-wife, I'm sure she's a lovely woman, that actress, but she was too old to be Kevin Costner's ex-wife.

We Googled her, and she was 56 at the time of this movie, and Costner's like 40.

56?

Yeah.

The stripper?

Is it ex-wife or ex-girlfriend?

Ex-girlfriend.

Oh, ex-girlfriend.

Okay, ex-girlfriend.

But I don't think it was plausible that she was was going to be a love interest of kevin costner and they're yeah that that whole thing maybe it was like a jason mamo lisa bonet type thing and i made the joke when we watched it where i said i think she started stripping at jack ruby's carousel club in dallas oh no oh no

and then moved west to west texas

i apologize to that actress who i'm sure is a lovely woman in real life and still with us according to google so thank god that wasn't your week leak in the film you had a take on the uh roy McAvoy.

That's another week.

I hate to, this is a fine movie.

I hate to shit on it, but in the beginning, Roy McAvoy is philosophical and he's quoting Carl Sandberg and he has all these things about nod to the gods and the earth and all these things.

And then later, when he qualifies for the U.S.

Open or qualifies for the sectional, and she's spouting things saying, well, you're somewhere between denial and delusion.

And he's like, why are you using them big words?

So it's like, is he like this really secret philosopher genius or is he a yokel?

And they can't really ever decide.

It just goes back and forth between those two worlds.

I think it's a very fair point.

House, your weak link of the film was that you don't feel like a golf pro would ever get the shanks.

Well, no, no, I could see a golf pro getting the shanks.

Where you're hitting in their driving range sideways.

And the drive, the, the, the scene

where he's lost at his own range, where he and Romeo are trying to sort of sort it out.

Him showing up with the mother effing U.S.

Open and getting up there and not having a solve an immediate solution to you know one shank is fine he has the nerves it's he's like you know the long shot that came out of nowhere the whole thing is extraordinarily intimidating they're in awe of all of it romeo's like who's autographed can i get okay one shank fine but the fact that it persists and he continues to proclaim that he can't fix it mother effer you're supposed to be a ball striking golf pro Like you never had anybody who had the shanks and you told them what to do to fix it.

Like they just,

the level of shanking was too much.

Like what you say, like going right straight down the line and like hitting golfers' feet.

Like no, but no pro is ever going to be that.

I think that it's actually quite hard to do that.

I'm not even sure you could do that if you tried.

My weak link is

really simple.

The movie should end when he says, nice power, David.

Yeah.

And I can't believe it goes on for like five more minutes.

I don't know what they were thinking.

I don't know where the fingers were.

And it was like,

we got to close off this cheech marin strip joint head plot.

And it's like, no, we actually don't.

We don't.

Nice part, David, is a great ending.

Let's get the fuck out.

The movie's over.

Yeah, it's great.

Let's wide shot, camera back.

We're gone.

I'm not defending it.

What I think is plausible is there was a possibility of a tin cup too.

And the tin cup two could have revolved around, because she makes a point of telling him, the next thing for you is Q school.

And that could have been a storyline for Tin Cup 2.

Counter.

Go ahead.

And the movie on Nice Part, David.

You could have had Nance.

I'm not arguing.

You could have had Nance say.

And with that, 12, he qualifies for the U.S.

Open next year.

And then the sequel is set up.

Will there be it next year?

But whatever.

Yeah.

Maybe Cheech Marin was really into tangoing and he's like, I want it in my contract that I get to tango one scene.

It's the only way I'll do Tin Cup 2.

I honestly think they made a bet, Ron Shelton and Cheech Marin, at some point.

And it's like, all right, if I win, I get my tango scene.

It's like, all right, fine.

I'll put this in the future.

If you can drive the water here, you get to.

Speaking of Cheech Marin, we don't get to give this out enough.

The Vincent Chase Award for, are we sure this character was actually good at his job?

That was my flex.

Oh, that was your flex?

Sorry, Craig.

Terrible caddy.

Terrible.

Horrible caddy.

Breaks his three wood in half, causes him to collapse, gets him blacked out, drunk, and gives him three hours of sleep before day one of the the U.S.

Open.

Doesn't talk him out of not laying up with like $5 million on the line.

Can't convince him of anything.

If he just doesn't get blacked out drunk the night before the U.S.

Open, he wins by landslides.

Yeah, he wins by like seven strokes.

He just shoots a 75 that day.

He's fine.

So he knocks it into the water and 18 in the fourth round.

And he's like, give me another ball.

I'm like, I'm taking my bag and I'm walking where the drop thing is.

And we're going to, I'm putting the ball right there.

And you're going to fucking hit the ball from right there.

Yeah.

He's a terrible cat.

Not to to mention he abandons him and he does really well without him anyway.

Um, the guy, the guy's needy,

he's like, Oh, is he like they have the whole conversation of like, was he better than me?

It's like, who wants a needy caddy?

Nobody.

There's just one too many things going on.

I feel like they're trying to force the Roy McAvoy Romeo like romance.

There's like a whole scene where they're making up.

I don't know if that needs to be there.

Would have cut it.

And you have Renee Russo, then it's his relationship with golf.

It's like one too many.

What's age the worst?

We've already covered a couple, including Roy getting a little handsy.

Um,

has you had some thoughts on Roy's golf outfits

at the driving range?

Well, there are, there was

there's a whole section of the movie, yes.

Uh, really, all of the time leading up to them making it to the U.S.

Open.

Many times, he shows up wearing clothes that look like he just finished his mate or D shift at a crab club, a crab restaurant in Miami.

Like, there's a lot of pastel,

He's got leather loafers on.

I mean, I get that we're supposed to buy that he's a, he's, he's casual.

His vibe is West Texas, casual, but the clothes aren't any have anything to do with West Texas.

It's all these pastels and stuff.

He's the Hawaiian shirts.

We just said he looked like he was in a Miami Vice episode, which I thought was a crucial point.

He's in fucking nowhere, Texas.

Right.

Why is he wearing linen?

Also, doesn't wear a hat at the U.S.

Open?

No visor, no hat, nothing.

So, in the 90s, that was a little more common.

Is that right?

I feel like that's true.

Skin cancer wasn't really on the radar.

So, it wasn't on the radar for any of us.

I have some photos.

You made the joke about it.

It was Don Johnson's wardrobe from Miami Vice, but now that I find you reported that he and Costner really are friends, like maybe it was.

Maybe Costner was like, These armadillos are costing us a fortune.

Like, can you bring some stuff from Miami Vice for me to wear?

Some pants and some loafers?

I

don't understand that half-hour of wardrobe.

And then

by the time we get to the open, it's okay.

Yeah, looks good.

Close on point.

This is too big to be a

nitpick.

So Molly never realizes Sims is an asshole until she overhears him being mean to a fan.

She doesn't see that at all.

Never in any other tournament except that one.

I mean, he would be normal for him.

Doesn't sound like they're hanging out too much.

Sims might have had many girlfriends.

Was she a beard?

Throwing that that out, too.

That's why he went back to Roy to get him to catty for him.

Did you like her to begin with?

I just, the Sims-Molly thing, I was just never buying that combo.

What's age the worst?

He qualifies for the U.S.

Open in like a day and a half.

He plays like two rounds of golf.

Is that easy?

Is it that easy to make the U.S.

Open?

Craig, could you make the U.S.

Open?

Probably.

Give me a couple weeks.

Could you just like, you're playing like in Orange County, you win a tournament, and then you win one more than the US.

There's a local and then there's a sectional.

The local is an 18-hole thing, and they take, you know, you have to be a two, whatever the line of demarcation is demonstrating your capacity to be good at golf.

Right.

Because you can't be a bum and show up and waste everybody's time.

But you have to be in the top two or three or whatever at the local to make it to the sectional.

And then the sectional is like four spots for 78 golfers.

And it is the so-called longest day of golf.

It's mid-June, and there are these sectionals all over the country.

I think there's one in Canada, too.

So is there a certain threshold, or are they only taking like 20 golfers?

They're only taking like 20, 25 total golfers, whatever the number is.

So Roy makes this, even though his caddy broke all of his clubs in one of the rounds.

Okay.

Can we pay for me for the next year to try to qualify?

Can that be our next project?

I mean, we are sending the fantasy show to Ireland.

Now you want to qualify for the U.S.

Open?

Yeah.

they're going to Ireland for the fantasy football show.

Steelers Vikings week four.

Oh my God.

It's going to be like six people going and probably four coming back.

We may just lose multiple people.

Place to play golf today.

Another what's the worst?

Can I executive produce that one too?

Janko's like, what?

Any other what's aged the worst?

I don't think there's a lot that actually has aged badly about this movie.

I think it holds up.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge Overacting Award.

It's not overacting, but it's something.

Whatever Gary McCord's doing in his scenes, he's in a different movie.

He could actually get the Teddy KGB of my own movie.

I don't know what's going on with him in multiple scenes, but he's like hamming it up as an announcer, but you're in a movie that's scripted with real actors.

I think it's pure McCord.

And I think that they let him sort of just be him.

I knew House would defend yet another member of the game.

Well, no, they encourage him.

I think House is right, though.

Like, you're not wrong about him being.

You're signing up for that experience if you cast Gary McCord.

That's him.

Like if you watched golf in the 90s, that was him doing golf.

I think they were like, Gary, just be yourself.

I'm not even sure his lines were scripted.

There's some Russo moments where she's down it up quite a bit, yelling on 18.

She's really down on Renee Russo.

It's hurting the 15-year-old.

Way to do two for the money with Al Pacino.

Craig's going to be even more down.

I was thinking with Gary McCord.

I'd like to in the mid-90s, but.

There are these people when they get the reputation for being hilarious, but they're really hilarious by comparison to everyone else they're interacting with all day.

This would happen the NBA, like Blake Griffin had this, and I actually think Blake Griffin's pretty funny.

Yeah.

But Blake Griffin as an NBA player in the early 2010s was like fucking Chris Rock selling out 18,000 seat arena funny compared to everyone else who he's going against.

But Gary McCord, it's like when nobody's funny in any way, he seems funnier than he probably is.

Yeah.

Gary McCord.

Is that fair?

Gary McCord walked so David Faraday could run.

Right.

David Faraday is another example.

Sure.

Is he legitimately funny or is he just funny because he's in the golf world?

He's a golf tournament funny.

Yeah.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.

You don't even have to necessarily totally believe this take.

We used to have a podcast called The Hottest Take that we're bringing back.

We had to take a four-year.

We had to give a four-year sabbatical because Craig almost got the podcast canceled when he tried to bring back cannibalism.

Altruistic cannibalism.

Altruistic cannibalism.

The podcast was done like a month later.

That's a hottest state.

No, it was actually done because we're bringing it back as a video pod, and I'm excited about it.

But what's your hottest take for this movie?

He's just Roy McEvoy is an all-time choke artist.

He has no clutch in him at all.

Even like when he's hooking up.

Yeah.

That's a great point.

He is when the lights are brightest, he flops.

At the charity event, he can stripe his three wood.

When it matters,

he can't do it.

He can can hit the seven-iron

at the bar.

He can hit the pelican in the club.

When the lights are bright,

he can't do it.

When the defining moment comes along, you define the moment or the moment defines you.

Yeah, the moment defined the shit out of him.

He bet the moment bent him over and defined him right in the rear every single time.

That's absolutely a thousand percent right.

See money.

Crushing guests.

Pass, hold up to Carl Malone to really.

Speaking of people who let the moment define the money.

That's all-time choker.

Really good.

I have a really hot take.

I think you could switch the two male leads, and the movie still works.

Wow.

I think Don Johnson could be Roy McAvoy.

Yeah.

Basically, playing it.

I mean, honestly, Costner is not as good as being the kind of drunk southern guy as Don Johnson was as Sonny Crockett on Miami Vice.

He is a 10 out of 10 with that character.

Cigarette, calling everybody Darling, stubble, hungover.

He would have been an unbelievable Roy McAvoy.

I will say there was a few moments

during the first re-watching of this where it's, I felt like Costner was trying to figure out his accent.

What accent was he wanted to do?

That's every Kevin Costner.

I know, but come on.

Robin Hood, he's just seen the scene.

He's English.

He's not English.

That's the JFK.

No, in this one, I felt like he was too southern.

Then he figured it out.

And Don Johnson's one of the only actors who can believably steal a woman away from Kevin Costner.

Great point.

Great point.

I think Costner as David Sims would have been really good.

I think Don Johnson, it's probably like five years too late for him.

If it was like late 80s, even Don Johnson, I think, and he's just basically Sonny Crockett as Roy McAboy.

That's the best movie of my life.

I would have been there for any day.

All right, casting what ifs.

So apparently they offered the role of Molly to Janine Turner and she turned it down.

She had a run in the 90s.

She was in Cliffhanger.

Oh, she was in Short Hair.

Yeah, she was in that Alaska movie.

Yeah.

Everyone used to say she was like drop dead gorgeous in person.

Like, kind of like Mark Aquali now, where you're just like in person, another level.

Anyway, she turned it down.

Michelle Pfeiffer approached.

Then they went the Renee Russo route.

I don't know.

I think Pfeiffer would have crushed her.

She'd have been too much, I think.

Oh, that's a good idea.

Too much?

Like, unattainable.

Oh, too attractive.

Yeah, I just, I'm not buying her as a sports psychologist in fucking East Bumfuck, Texas.

Yeah.

Because she's had a series of failures chasing men and also professional failures since she lands in the future.

You're not buying Michelle Pfeiffer in any role like that.

Yeah.

Even in Dangerous Minds, a classic when she's like

re-getting her life back together and teaching an intersection.

Even that's like, you'd be married by now.

Come on.

Yeah.

The only believable thing is her with a cocaine problem.

That's where you get believable.

Scarface.

Right.

Fly, Pelican, fly.

Dennis Quaid turned down David Sims.

Would have been okay.

Alec Baldwin accepted it and had to back out three weeks before filming because some family stuff.

Baldwin would have been good.

I think he would have been less likable earlier on in the movie.

Yeah.

You would have hated him sooner.

It's a very easy ball.

It's a very easy

villain, especially in that era of him.

Yeah, that would have been a good one.

That's like malice, the bear level.

Did you read that Kevin Costner turned down the role of shooter McGavin in Happy Gilmore?

I didn't believe that.

I didn't, I chose not to include that in there.

It didn't add up to me.

Yeah, I don't think he's too big of a star.

He's not going to be shooter McGavin.

Like, Standler wasn't even that famous when he did Happy Gilmore.

He's going to be shooting.

I didn't believe that.

He's like, I can only do one golf movie a year and it's going to be Tin Cup.

Right.

That's it.

Legwazamo was apparently offered Romeo and said no.

I'm not

100% sure I believe that, but that was in the research.

Cheek had been big in 96.

I agree.

He had to have been pretty young in 96.

Yeah, that's the thing.

So he was in the fan with De Niro

that same year.

That's kind of the level he was at.

He was like the eighth lead in the fan.

So I don't know if I believe that one.

Best that guy award.

It's amazing.

Cheech Baron's crew includes Mox's dad from Varsity Blues.

The biker guy from the doors,

the black guy who I've seen in, I don't even know who I've seen him in 40 things.

I don't even know where I've seen him from.

So he might be the winner.

And then

one of the bad guys from Cliffhanger, who's my winner, the guy who's in John Lithgow's thing and he's flying the plane.

The guy, bald guy with the mustache.

He's actually got kind of a big cliffhanger role, but I think he's the winner.

Dean Waiters is a little more complicated, though.

We have Jim Nance.

We have Frank Turkanian.

Which one's he?

The producer in real life produced the Armenian director.

He was good.

So funny.

Or Craig Stadler.

Ooh, wow.

Or

Young Skinny About to Get a Gambling Problem, Phil Mickelson.

If you want to just go cameo.

I think it's the Frank Turkanian guy.

What did you think it was?

Or Nance.

Oh.

Nance Carrot.

This is so brokenhearted that he couldn't say Nance.

We're going to recut this to select how I say Nance.

You go now.

I do think it was Turkinian, though.

Nance.

Turkinian is a lot.

More with less.

Yeah, and he's not a camera on-camera person.

He's not talent.

He's in the truck.

He was great.

But it was super compelling for the story.

It would give the story great half.

I think he's the winner.

Recasting couch director, City.

Can I offer you Susan Sarandon as the strip joint owner?

There you go.

Nice Bull Durham connection.

Bring him back to Bull Durham.

She's probably the right age.

Yeah, that's a better cast name.

That would have been good.

Yeah.

That would have been a good one.

Craig Eric Dizflex.

Half-Fast Center Research.

Tin Cup.

There's some expression.

She's not worth a fart in a tin cup.

That's where they got that from.

I was confused.

I assumed

a golf hole is not referred to as a tin cup.

Is that correct?

No, they said he got the name from playing baseball.

I thought that was kind of random and weird.

Yeah.

Why would it not have been a golf deal?

Yeah, it totally should have been a golf reference to have his nickname.

He's a golfer.

He's not known for playing baseball.

Tin Cup sounds like a hole.

Yeah, that should have been something to do with that.

That was such a random throwaway moment when the stripper's like, oh, he played catcher and he's getting hit in the nuts a lot.

Yeah.

What?

That was the tin cup.

But

they spent so much time, and I thought, effectively so, building up what his flaw was, building up this thing that he was a

compulsory go-for-it guy.

Make it a tin, make tin cup, make a

story around that.

Right, 100%.

Yeah, like he had some bet.

Right.

He bet somebody

that he couldn't hit a three-wid into a tin cup.

Right.

Yeah.

Or he used to putt into a tin cup when he was a kid or something golf-related.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was just random.

Oh, he played baseball.

Or the first time he had a premature ejaculation problem.

It was

into a tin cup.

Then they called him tin cup.

Costner trained extensively with Gary McCord and wrote the foreword for Golf for Dummies.

There's a story about McCord.

They really wanted him to be a consultant and have a cameo.

And he's like, I'm only doing it for $250,000.

And they were like, sure,

really.

And he got $250,000, which he brags about now, which is funny when you think of all the other stuff that cut corners on.

How much did Vernon Lundquist want?

Like half a million?

He's not in it.

Vern's like, listen, Vern was at the yes survey.

Yes.

I have the yes survey knows me that.

I'm bigger than McCord.

Yeah.

Coster made all of his golf shots or most of them.

And then like Bob Cousy and Blue Chips.

There's a bunch of, there was a John Daly in 98 kept hitting balls in the water and became a 10-cup moment.

This golfer named Eddie Pepperell in 2019 ran out of balls.

Oh.

And that was compared to that.

And then you have the Tiger story.

Well, the Tiger story is from the 2000 U.S.

Open at Pebble Beach, which is, you know, I think some people would point to like the most dominant performance.

The pinnacle of Tiger.

Yes.

And maybe of any golfer in any major in history.

And the story story is that he had switched balls that week.

He had a new Nike golf ball that he put into play.

And his standard approach in terms of carrying balls was nine to 12 balls in his bag.

There was a weather delay from Friday into Saturday.

So he had to finish his round Saturday morning.

He had taken some balls out of his bag because he didn't like the way he was putting on Friday.

And he was putting in his hotel room, left them balls behind.

We're out, they're out on the golf course.

A ball gets a scuff, gives it to a kid.

By the time time they got to the 18th hole, he hooked one into the water and had one single ball left.

There is a rule in golf where you are allowed to, if you can find somebody, another competitor that has the exact same manufacturer and type of ball, you can replace it.

There's a penalty, but that ball was not replaceable.

The Tiger ball, not replaceable because it was a one-of-one for him for that week.

And his caddy asked him to hit an iron off of the 18th hole and did not tell him why.

Stevie Williams did not tell Tiger why he asked him to hit an iron off the T on number 18 on Saturday morning.

Because if he had hit that ball into the water, they couldn't have found it.

He would have been disqualified and he would not have won that tournament by 15 strokes and would have not been the most dominant performance ever in a major.

So Tiger didn't question why he told him to hit the iron and he hit the iron?

He did not hit the iron.

He hit driver.

It's like, why would I hit iron?

I want to hit driver and he hit driver.

Wow.

Tiger.

If he had asked Jacko for a ball, jacko would have been like off you should have brought more that's right i'm gonna win losing

losing by 15 shots i'll get the trophy what a weird role when i when i play golf i bring like 50 to 70 balls sure and i'll probably lose most of them i there was one other research thing i saw that that scene where david sims uh is an asshole to the grandparents and the kid those are costner's parents

Great, love.

Wow.

Yeah.

And the kid is

Costner's son, right?

Yeah.

So they built that

the water hazard hole.

They built one and called it

Tin Cup Lake.

Salome, Texas is actually, they think it's Rankin, Texas, which is near Midland and Fort Stockton.

I don't know Texas.

Midland is Friday Night Lights, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think they're in Fordessa, but I think it's in the same area.

Jackian area.

Jacko, they talked about a sequel called Cup at Q School, which would have followed Roy as he tried to earn his PGA card.

Mid-2000s, Shelton even spent a week at a

tour event.

It just never happened.

I think a mistake by Costner at that point in his career,

I think I would have maybe done it.

How good did Costner get at golf?

Do we know?

What was his hand?

He was apparently good.

And then stopped playing right after the movie because it's because, again, he was snobby about golf.

Here's the story from.

So there's an oral history that Golf magazine did in 2016 that

now you cannot find on the internet because they changed their archives.

Oh.

But there were snippets of it available.

And

some guy in the oral history tells this story.

There was a really tall pine tree, and someone said to Phil Mickelson, I bet you can't put your shoulder against the tree, drop a ball, and hit it over the tree.

The shot basically had to go straight up.

Everyone threw in 100 bucks.

There was 1,200 in the pot, and he did it.

When the ball was still in the air, Mickelson bent over, picked up the money, and put it in his pocket.

No stranger, the legend.

Yeah.

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All right, Apex Mountain.

Jacob, do you know what Apex Mountain is?

I do not.

Well, nobody else does either.

Nobody could figure it out.

It's

the peak of somebody's career combined with when they had the most juice, someone or something,

someone or something, Kevin Costner.

The answer is no for him.

Not did we decide what his was it's dances with wolves, okay?

Yeah, he directs, he stars, he wins the Oscars.

100%, he can do any movie he wants after Dances with Wolves.

Cheech Baron, it's probably somewhere in the late 70s with Tommy Chong.

Or, yeah, I actually looked up Cheech for this.

He crushed cars that the whole franchise of cartoons, he participated in Door of the Explorer.

And the cartoon cars, he's one of those, he's Ramon.

He's one of those vehicles.

And

I mean, he had a long career post this movie.

Yeah, this is probably going to make you throw up, but I know him from Spy Kids.

No, I'm not surprised by that.

He had a whole second act.

So maybe that's

that might be, maybe that's what it is, his second act.

Don Johnson, Miami Vice.

Yeah.

Not only his Apex Mountain, but mine.

Just being able to watch it.

Not laying up just as a concept in golf.

Did it ever get better than this?

Turned into a podcast.

Yeah.

Those guys.

Good job.

Good point.

West Texas for a movie location.

Friday Night Lights.

Yeah.

Which is Midland was the team they played, right?

They decided

they were in that area.

I think they were next to each other or nearby.

Renee Russo.

She might have been bigger than Lethal Weapon 3.

I was crowned, right?

Yeah, that too.

Honestly, it might be this movie because after this movie leads to like, she's in three more bangers and is really established.

And she wasn't the first choice of it, but I think after this movie, she became a first choice.

Peter Jacobson wins the U.S.

Open in this movie.

I'm going to say this is his Apex Mountain.

This is not somebody winning majors in real life.

It's a nitpick for the movie, too.

The CBS crew in a movie, definitely.

Golf movies?

Caddy Shack.

I still think it's Caddyshack.

There's only three candidates.

I still think it's Caddyshack.

Caddyshack, this, Happy Gilmore.

Yeah.

It has to be Caddyshack.

Caddyshack's like the most quotable movie of all time.

And just so much about that has become iconic.

Influential, all those guys.

The only thing I would say is

they

had two different goals and the golf sicko appeal of of tin cup because of the you know the realism the lyrical uh you know it's not it's not it i i know i would say the other one would be happy gilmore yeah yeah agreed it's happy

yeah it's like generational yeah happy gilmore 2 will not be as generational no i don't think so although it might be for 13 year olds who like myster beast videos maybe

the waffle house

oh no the waffle house has a life of its own it does As a movie location?

I think it's a good thing.

Oh, not for movies, but no, but like that's just as a thing,

as a meme.

I think it's been

movies and been properly revered.

That's worth looking at.

It's not.

I don't think it is.

I don't think it's Apex Moment for the U.S.

Open either.

I think the U.S.

Open's probably had some better moments.

Armadillos?

I'm trying to think if they've been in a movie in a better way.

It's like pretty prominent.

The Seven Iron?

When is The Seven Iron had a

better tour through?

Well, just the fact that House said they have a whole tournament where guys have to play with that based on this movie.

That's pretty good for us.

What was he going to do?

65 with it?

Yeah.

And then

this is a big one.

Jim Nance.

In a movie?

Jim Nance.

Movie-wise.

Not career-wise, but movie-wise.

Well, movie-wise, yes, but career-wise.

No.

No.

Okay.

No.

How about Jim Nance and Ken Venturi together?

No.

They had bigger real-life golf moments, I would say.

All right.

I have an apex mountain for you.

Yeah.

Unexpected sports losses to end the movie.

When a sports movie ends with a loss, is this the apex of that?

I think there's, you have Friday Night Lights, they lose.

Remember the Titans, they lose.

A league of their own.

loss at the end for

James.

Yeah.

But is this the peak of the movie?

Although that might be your thing about the David Sims, the you actually rooting for the wrong person in that movie?

You should be rooting for Lori Petty in that movie, yeah.

Is this the best sports loss ever in a movie?

So, the answer, those are all great questions.

I love the category, but the answer is Rocky One, yeah, I was gonna say, he loses

high.

No, they he loses it wasn't a draw, it was a lot.

It wasn't a draw, he lost, he lost the majority decision.

I was making that puzzled face

because they both hit the ground at the same time, right?

I think the best twist on it was probably Friday Night Lights, though, because they set it up where you really think they're about to win and then they don't.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Good category, though.

Cruz or Hanks.

I mean, this is Hanks by a million, right?

So, this is a version of Hanks that he only brought out in League of Their Own, and it's a version I really like of him.

Stubble drunk, kind of sarcastic Tom Hanks.

He just veered away from it, but I think he could have been great.

I think he's going to learn how to golf.

Like, watching Cruz golf is way more interesting and entertaining than watching Tom Hanks golf.

Listen, Cruz doing Tin Cup would have been one of the greatest moments of the 90s.

Him

also trying to become a drunk kind of West Texas.

Like, it would have been bizarre casting.

He could have done it.

We should do a draft of the game.

Done it and been a disaster or actually done it?

I think he could have done it.

Cruz would have demanded that he drilled the shot the first time and won the Oceania.

We should do a draft of movies you wish Tom Cruise was in.

Tin Cup's up there for me.

I want to watch him play golf.

That's really good.

We should do that on my podcast.

That could be a good mailbag category when we do re-watchables mailbag.

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Probably Spielberg.

I agree.

Yeah,

Ed Spielberg.

Jacko is hesitant to be in the Rewatchables, but not as Spielberg.

I kind of want to just have this role in all of it.

I was put off by all the categories and all that, but I enjoyed this chiming in.

Well, now you know.

There you go.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have have played?

Clearly, somebody in the Cheech Baron crew.

It's the TCU guy, the guy who's wearing all the TCU gear, who has to be his caddy that one time and came out.

Earl.

Yeah, Earl.

Oh, that guy.

He would have been Earl.

I love that, by the way, that he's just rocking TCU in every scene.

Picking it, we hit a bunch of them.

She's a sports psychologist in East Bumfuck, Texas.

Why wouldn't Sims teach her how to golf?

Here's one we didn't hit.

Why was David Sims' charity tournament nationally televised?

And it was one round?

what was going on there with a big purse like half a million dollars and it's like he's just oh do you want to be he made it seem like it was this rinky dink thing but then it's like there's a national

crew there i guess he was so famous at the time that if you start your own tournament it's it's a big deal

um

roy and romeo they're broke but they have no problem breaking an entire set of golf clubs right as they're like hawking stuff at the same time they're just breaking stuff left and right Did you snap a club that easily back then?

The 90s clubs, those 90s clubs, you could.

It would have hurt.

I mean, they were.

Those steel shafts would they look like they were steel shafts.

I think it would have hurt.

We talked about this earlier, but Roy getting bombed before his first U.S.

Open ever is ludicrous.

Nobody's doing that.

No, nobody is that self-destructive.

You'd have to have like a heroin problem, right?

And adding in the sleep deprivation, it was a double whammy by Romeo, where he was already hammered, and then at the end, he was like, I got to be up in three hours, and then he passes out.

It's pretty brutal.

Roy finished minus one.

He shot an 83, 62, 64, and 78.

So if he

just got a four or five on that last hole, he would have had a 71.

So he would have gone 83, 62, 64, 71.

62 and 64 back to back

would have been like the biggest story of the decade.

Well, 62 is the record in the movie, right?

He breaks the record.

To shoot a 126 in two rounds in a row is...

when you're a nobody from East Bumfuck Texas.

Yeah, that would have been a massive, massive, massive sports story.

Just pointing that out.

Nobody ever shot 600 major, but somebody has.

House was pointing out that our guy who won DM Waiters, Frank Cherkinian, whatever his name is.

Cherkinian.

Cherkinian.

A couple weird quotes from him where he's like, we got to keep an eye on this tin cup guy.

It's like the final round.

He's in the final, final matchup.

Right.

Yeah.

We're all keeping an eye on him.

He's in first place.

Get a camera on that guy.

I'm just

62, yeah.

There's three holes left.

You would be like following him everywhere.

He might be the story.

But then the big one, which I don't think we hit strongly enough, was we never see what happens with David Sims.

It's unbelievable.

Because if he birdies 18, he gets into a playoff with Jacobson.

He lays up.

He lays up.

He's just got to go up and down.

Up and down.

He gets a four.

He's in a playoff.

He has to stand there and wait for the entirety of the dopey Roy to hit the ball into the water.

But Roy just, the tournament ends.

Roy walks off.

We don't see Peter Jacobson celebrating.

There's like 19 things going wrong.

Everybody rushed the green.

He couldn't putt out because they tore up the green to try to jump in the water to get his ball.

Tournament's over.

Sorry, David Simpson.

Seriously, Dave, we'll give you a four or whatever.

Yeah.

It's really crazy.

Anyway,

sequel, prequel, Prestige TV, all black cast or untouchable.

Prestige TV, so they made stick, which a lot of people like on Apple TV, which is a little

like a cousin.

Why'd you make a face?

Um, I'm only halfway through it.

Okay, um, but it's like that same kind of golf pro

kind of a never was.

Um, how about a, I like a prequel, College Days, Sims and McAvoy at University of Houston, also University of Houston, Jim Nance.

Nance could have been there as like the student broadcaster.

Nance would have known that.

Half just blacked out.

I'm there for all of this.

And the prequel could have a better reason why he's called Tin Cup.

Yeah, that you can find out in that movie.

A college golf competition movie would be great.

Yeah.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel

Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley in the firm?

I'm so excited Jacko is here because we finally get to do Mike and the Mad Dog

on the rewatchables.

Mike and the Mad Dog, the next AMW fan after Roy McAvoy shot at 12.

Do you want to be dog or Francesa?

It does either one.

You're a better dog.

I mean, Mike,

you got to take the putt and take the drop, Mike.

What are you doing there?

You're going to be kidding me.

It's a humongous, humongous mistake.

Humongous.

You get in at five, you take the playoffs dog.

You're nobody from Texas.

You got to take the drop.

What are you doing?

I mean, I know they're dumb in Texas dog, but this was dumb even for people in Texas.

I cannot believe.

This is your answer.

this would have been a better if Mike and the Mad Dog did the day after.

That should have been the closing credits.

That should have been the last five minutes of the movie.

Mike and the Mad Dog was amazing.

Dog just having an absolute stroke.

And my back and by when he did it.

Just one Oscar who gets it.

I brought this up when we watched it.

Cheech Marin, when he does that speech after he breaks his face.

Oh, when he gets his Oscar speech?

Yeah, that was like that monologue.

It was Oscar worthy.

It's not the soundtrack.

That won a Grammy.

I'm giving it to Don Johnson just because I love Don Johnson.

Now they have the studio.

I'm bringing Don Johnson.

I'm inviting him on the podcast.

We've got to dive into it.

I admire Cheech's range.

I would go for Cheech.

What do you have, Craig?

Cheech is great.

I couldn't say Think of it.

Probably unanswerable questions.

The Dick Measuring contest would have been amazing if they had actually filmed it.

These are two Hollywood legends, Don Johnson and Kevin Costner.

Pretty notable reputations.

So thank God that would have been an NT17.

Strong man.

Is this the most revered golf movie or is it Happy Gilmore?

What's the most beloved golf movie right now?

If we're going to say the, no, I'm not talking about, I'm saying right now, the most, most Americans, if you did a poll, if we did a poll, like if it was part of the 2028 election and you had to vote on what is your favorite golf movie,

this probably doesn't win.

Does Happy Gilmore win?

It's hard for me to say.

I'm probably skewed because of my age, but I think Happy Gilmore is more famous.

I mean, the fact that they just made the second one and it was so big.

Sandler's fame, I think it's more of a slapstick comedy, which I think lives on a little bit easier.

But this is more revered in the golf community, I think, because of how they handled it.

It's more of a movie about golf.

Yeah, and the actual PGA.

There's proper authenticity to it.

But I mean, I think popularity-wise, it's happy.

Also revered in the premature Ejaculator community as well.

Yeah, up there.

mcaboy that's a prequel yeah

um the zawatne award for what happened the next day we don't get to give this out very often and we never had a sequel so roy becomes a national story

i think multiple sponsors um

he would have cashed in big time

probably blown all the money written a book Or he just gets drunk and kicks himself because he was already starting to beat himself up about I just lost the U.S.

Open.

Well, he had to pay back the IRS first.

Maybe it goes dark.

He's just, it becomes like traffic.

He just starts doing heroin.

But he's so happy.

He got the girl.

Yeah.

And

are they married?

Well, she has a viable career path.

If she goes on tour working with tour professionals, then that dummy should just go on tour and play.

And he could be, you know.

So he tries to get his PGA card.

So how long does that take?

He has to.

You got to go to Q school.

And back then it was like, you know, this multi-layer, multi-round.

I'm guessing if he can shoot a 62 and a 64 back-to-back in North Carolina,

then he could probably become a.

And then you get the same issue because if he goes on tour and becomes a good golfer and now his girlfriend is mentoring other golfers, he becomes David Sims in this scenario.

And the other golfers that she is now working with become Roy McAvoy.

I think she only

end her practice.

I think it's a conflict of interest if she's basically helping other golfers and her husband is or boyfriend is like trying to compete against them.

I got to find out from Mallory what her reaction to Kevin Costner not really getting it done in the sex scene.

Because

I think she would, I think the excuses would have been plentiful from the Mallory side.

It was late night, a lot of people tired from the course, a lot of drinks.

Definitely alcohol.

Hungover.

All right, this one goes to all of you.

What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie?

I narrowed it down to the Roy's Three Wood or Seven Iron

or

the Tin Cup fan club hat.

That's pretty screwed.

The tournament worn.

There's only one.

That's it.

It's like right behind the house right now.

Yeah.

I think that's probably the answer.

Yeah.

What do you think, Jacko?

One of the armadillos stuffed?

Taxidermy.

Or the Pelican.

Maybe the Pelican and the Armadillo, if you wanted to go taxidermy.

A signed letter from the PETA member who was on set, making sure to win the Pelican.

This Pelican was fine.

Right.

Yeah, the visor.

The visor is the best one.

Yeah.

Well, imagine it's in the studio right now.

What would be a bigger conversation piece?

Like, if I had the seven-iron behind the house.

Seven-iron would be cool.

Or the whole bag, that red bag with the tassels?

Yeah.

The leather bag or the last bag?

The leather bag.

He's like a red leather bag with the tassels on every club cover.

You know, I just red covers it.

Golden tassel head covers was a throwback.

Isn't that what the strip club was called?

The golden.

Was that like the ex-girlfriend?

Because she owned it, owned him now, and that they had to do like a little shout-out with the head covers.

Renee Russo, pretty cool with the ex-girlfriend's tripper just hanging around.

Yeah, they were became best friends pretty quick.

Right away.

Oh, that should have been a pick and dance.

She would have

hated that one, right?

She's like, oh, that's Roy for you.

She's like, okay.

What about a framed broken three-wood?

Like, if you had that in a frame, the snapped three-wood.

Oh, from the qualifying thing?

That's good.

That's good.

Stuffed Pelican.

Coach Stack Award, best life lesson.

I guess it's don't lay up.

Craig had trouble finding a lesson.

Be true to yourself.

I feel like it's both don't lay up and lay up.

Like,

just figure out the don't lay up, lay up thing better.

Well, because at the end, this is what I don't get.

He doesn't lay up, and you're like, you know what?

He's stuck to his guns.

But then at the final scene in bed or on the couch, he's like, you know, I guess.

I guess what I learned is sometimes you should listen to your brain, not just your heart.

Yeah, that's a good point.

So I'm like, lay up or don't lay up.

I don't know.

He's pretty stupid.

It's not really be true to yourself because at the end, he's like, I shouldn't have been true to myself.

He's like, I'm going with my head and not my heart.

Threw away the U.S.

Open.

Yeah.

Double feature choice house?

I don't think so.

You got to, you have to make one.

No, it's not an exception.

No, it's not an exception.

No one's ever said that before.

That was great.

What movie would you watch before or after this movie if you had to watch go to a double feature?

That's

Thomas Crown Affair immediately.

I can't get enough Renee Russo.

Wow.

What do you have?

Oh, Happy Gilmore.

I love golf movies.

I love just hanging out at the golf course.

I did Caddyshack.

What do you have, Jack?

Well, yeah, because you and I are of the age where we would say Caddyshack over Happy Gilmore, but I think depending on your age, either is an acceptable choice.

Who won the movie?

It's probably Costner, but part of me wants to say Jim Nance.

I mean, it's easy for me.

It's definitely Jim Nance.

Jim Nance won the movie.

He does a lot for the movie.

I do think the last hour, him being there, just makes the whole thing so much more dramatic and intense and realistic and enjoyable.

Where do you have Jacko?

I want to say Turkinian because I liked his performance so much, but I really did.

And I think that he played himself and America got to see it because I've read stuff about him.

But

the answer is Costner.

I mean, the whole thing's a vehicle for him.

Okay.

So the answer is Costner because this is kind of the end of this run he had.

He's moving by the late 90s.

We're doing For Love of the Game, a movie that I really like, but some people don't.

But

we're at the tail end of this.

He knows hits the Yankees.

That's why you like it.

Well, that's, I mean, that part's great.

But this is the tail end of this incredible A-plus list run he has.

And it's, it's kind of not the same after this.

And he also exacted as much as he could out of different versions of this persona.

And And now we move into like older, and then we move into draft day, Kevin Costner and Yellowstone Kevin Costner.

He's also a piece of a bygone era of actors that like, I don't know, because I think he's like 40, 41 in this movie, Costner.

Yeah.

I don't know who you cast now.

This movie wouldn't be made now, but I don't know who you get to kind of be the everyman, good looking, athletic, kind of play any sport, looks like a normal person.

doesn't have you know fillers in his face i don't really know who who that is now is it could ham do it?

Or is he too pretty?

It could have been

too old now, but yeah, it could have been ham 10 years ago, maybe.

Ham's a good one.

It is like a ham kind of part.

He's got, he could grow the stubble out.

Yeah, you have to look like, you have to be attractive, but also look like a normal person.

You can't be too ripped.

You know, you can't be too ripped.

Yeah, that rules that affleck.

Yeah, everyone's too old now.

There's no 40-year-old generation of guys that are like the Costner or the Harrison Fords.

We don't have that.

Because everyone's fucking British now.

And they just don't produce white American actors anymore who can play this part.

They're all British dudes.

They're too pretty.

Everyone's too manicured, ripped now, you know?

Yeah, like Shalame, I'm not buying is Ray Macaron.

It's like maybe Glenn Powell, but Glenn Powell's also, he's too pretty.

He's too pretty, too.

He's too pretty.

He's really good looking.

Shya looks like that.

Well, Costner's really good looking, though.

I think Costner's a little bit more gruff.

I think you hit it.

I think it might be Glenn Powell.

Glenn Powell?

Yeah, he would just have to basically

kind of bang himself up a little bit.

Yeah.

See, that i think i said when we watched it i think costner was too pretty for this i don't i didn't i think it would have been better with like michael keaton

like a disheveled michael keaton like down on his luck and he'd be like a little wise cracky you know costner you're not going to buy that he's like down on his luck and living in a trailer he's too good looking renee russo's not throwing it all away for keaton well that's yeah that's

you got to get rid of her in the movie too man if you're going keaton now you just have two mediocre looking people one thing that happens in movies like this is the the people around the person who's already fucked up his life who are also throwing away their lives to basically be in his cult pitch their wagon like what is chitch marin's like 48 at this point when do you give up on roy mcaboy as like a real thing let's be honest yeah so that's where you might go in the you know

when but then he steps in with the oh to get maybe to make roy jealous maybe it's like i'm now i'm with your 15 year old age girlfriend the whole crew of that guys like what what has their life choice led to where like you're just hanging out at this down in the market down you know down in the mouth driving range where there's no money to be made and there's no no clientele and you just hang out and drink beer and like shoot the shit well

30 years later they're on their way to january 6th

heard there's something going on in dc is there a waffle house in dc let's make red uh all right that was a really fun interesting rewatchables good i enjoyed it executive produced by john o'connell thank you jacko thank you thanks to Craig.

I don't get to ask you what we thought about the movie since you're one of the co-hosts.

Joe House, pleasure as always.

Thanks to Gahal and Ronic as well.

And we'll be back next week on the Rewatchables.