The Toast Files with Natalie Joy Viall: Tuesday, June 24th, 2025

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Good morning, girlies.

It's the toast.

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your hosts.

It's your favorite show, the fast-five things you need to know.

We'll start your day off swirly.

It's the toast.

I sound amazing.

Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Tuesday.

I am in studio today with a first time toast guest or co-host.

It is Natalie Joy Viol.

Welcome to the toast.

Oh, thank you for having me.

So excited.

I'm so excited that you're here.

You are one of the few people on this earth who podcast as much as Claudia and I

and watch actually more TV than Claudia and I.

It's exhausting.

It's exhausting, but like you, we brought in the expert.

Yes.

You know, for the stories, for the shows, like for a time such as this, Love Island taking over, like Natalie is here to break it all down with us.

And we've never met before.

And I'm so excited to meet you.

I know.

I feel like I met Claudia once at the Gypsy Rose event

in New York.

And I think I was very largely pregnant.

Good times.

Yes, good times.

And then me and her like started DMing.

And then randomly, like, I think you and I followed each other.

And then you responded to me posting a picture of the boyfriend by Frida McBadden.

You were like, put it down right now.

And I was like, okay, we're ready.

Thank you.

No, that, like, my conspiracy theory is like, she didn't write that one.

Like, it's not a free to reada.

It's so bad when, like, she crushes.

Yeah.

And then I, so people pick up the boyfriend because it's like her next book and it has the title and the pictures and everything.

And it's like written by someone else.

It's awful.

It's so bad.

No, I started following you after your wedding.

I thought that your wedding was so beautiful.

And it was.

And it was just like, it just, everything about it seems so meaningful.

And I just was, I had like, I followed Nick.

Nick is like a long time FOT, friend of Toast.

Yes.

Started out as foe of Toast.

Has he told you that?

He was like, I think they hated me.

And I was like, think?

He was like, no, they hated me for a really long time.

When we started our show, that was when he was like in his villain era.

And like, I guess we weren't like as critically thinking as we are now.

And you're just like, Nick, I was the worst.

And the way that he took it was like such a champ.

Like Tarek Elmus just did a similar thing where it's like that, he laughed at like everything that we were saying.

Like, oh, those girls hate me, ha ha ha.

And it just like really neutralizes us.

And we're like, you've heard all that we said.

And you're not talking shit.

back to us.

Wait, wait, are you not bothered?

Interesting.

Like, maybe you're a nice person.

So then we had him on the show, and it was, he was a doll, as I'm sure you've experienced as him being your husband.

Right.

And we've been like good industry friends ever since.

I came across a video of Claudia on Nick's show.

It was someone trying to clown my man, which I will not stand for in any aspect, but it was the funniest video I've ever seen in my life.

Claudia was clowning on your man?

No, no, no.

Some stranger posted a clip of Claudia on Nick's podcast.

It was like during COVID.

Okay.

So it was like Patreon or something.

I don't know know what it was, but Nick was like, I'm just really grateful for like our friendship.

And she was like, your friendship means the world to me.

I haven't slept since like, she just went on this tangent about like how much Nick means to her.

Claudia did?

Yes.

The COVID thing.

Right.

Like very sarcastic.

Very sarcastic.

Oh my God.

Wait, I don't know any of this.

Nick responds being like, oh my God, that means so much to me.

Like, I feel the same way.

Wait, I literally don't.

Claudia's not even so sarcastic.

I feel like maybe she was being earnest.

You think?

We have a lot lot of love for Nick.

Oh, okay.

Like, I don't know.

I have to watch it.

I have to watch it.

This is news to me.

The person who posted it was like the fact that Nick couldn't tell that she was being sarcastic.

And then I watched it and I was like, she's being sarcastic.

And then I reminded Nick and he was like, it was COVID.

Everyone thought we were losing everybody.

I was right.

Like we were all feeling like mushy and like mental

literature.

Like, sorry, I was grateful for a friend.

It was a low time.

Sorry.

That's really funny.

So now it's so full circle that you're here.

And like you have, so I want to hear how you and Nick met, but you have like completely like become a part of the Vile Files, like you're queen of the Vile Files.

You guys do a show every day, right?

Every weekday?

Yes, yes.

Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

No, I don't know.

Cool.

Check out Vatomart.

Yeah, no.

No, he does Ask Nick Monday.

We do Reality Recap Tuesday, Going Deeper Wednesday, Reality Recap Thursday, and then Friday is like Patreon.

Oh, love Patreon.

Patreon.

Yes, love Patreon.

Patreon Strong.

Yes, Patreon Strong.

And you guys like are the go-to stop for reality TV stars.

Whether you like it or not, for sure.

I like it.

I feel like it's like perfect.

I don't know if I feel like he sort of fell into this role by accident and then like everyone was like, well, this is great.

It definitely works for him because he's like.

been on i feel like it would get so much weirder if he was like this 44 year old man like hasn't knows nothing about reality tv and is just like talking about all these young people on tv but like he was on so many seasons of Bachelor.

He did special forces.

Like he, he knows how the production side works.

Yeah.

Can talk about all of it.

So I do think he's really good at it.

I think so too.

And he's gotten both edits.

So like when you guys do have a villain on, I feel like he is gracious, gives grace, and hears people out, which is always interesting because people are more than just like the one-dimensional character you see on TV.

Right.

And we usually will like still,

we have like a different, like, did you, do you watch, you watch Bally?

Yeah.

Janet.

like

hate Janet do you hate met her in person we we recorded with her lovely in person

so lovely I was gonna ask you about this because we go through this from time to time but we don't have nearly as many guests as you do is like

saying your actual thoughts when you're recapping a show like obviously you're feeling someone more than another person you have to like put some people down but like that's part of the job and like but then you meet them or you see them out or they come on your show and it's like how do you have interesting takes while not like offending people to the point that they don't want to come on your show?

It is hard.

We do have a lot of people who like will be like, you've talked so much shit about me.

Like, absolutely not.

But then you're like, do you also feel weird having someone, even if they said, we'll come on, do you feel weird like talking to someone who you've talked so much?

Like, there are people that I know we could never have.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I'm like, by the way, I did call you like a thirsty piece of shit.

So, but like.

Stand by it.

It was that one episode.

It was the edit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think we preface everything by being like, we are talking about a character on a TV.

We realize there's an edit.

Like, we don't know this person.

Maybe one day we'll meet them and we'll have a different opinion.

But like right now, this is what we think of what we're seeing on 45 Minutes.

So when you met Janet and she was lovely, did it change your opinion of her on the show?

No, because she still acted awful.

And so we were just like, Janet,

we know you can be great.

Why are you being this?

So the way I feel about Janet is like, they're trying to make me hate Janet and it's just not landing.

However,

yeah, like I'm like, Janet's so manipulative.

And the thing about Janet is that she's a little more coup than Kristen Dody, who like is so transparent.

She's like, well, you said this, so I'm going to say that.

And Janet like hides it better.

So if she is very manipulative, she's just doing a good job of concealing it.

So I'm like, I don't think she's being that way.

But now she's going up against me and Danny, who are the P joms of the valley.

And I just will never see a word.

And for sure, they like.

put a nice glossy sheen over everything.

And I'm sure they have their issues.

It would be weird if they didn't, but I'm not going to like knock her for like not wanting to like air her dirty laundry on television.

100%.

Like maybe they're not built for reality TV.

And like that's a compliment.

But like I feel like for every Jackson Brittany who will literally give us information we don't want to know, like I literally know the dollar and cent amount of their mortgage payment.

I know it's awful.

I need a Nia and Danny who are like, listen, this is a good gig for us if as long as you'll have us, but like we're not going to ruin our relationship and our family for a television show.

No, I respect it.

I think that's how like most people would feel.

Yeah.

And I feel like Janet just pokes at that because she's never opened up the door to her.

Yeah, like and we I asked her about that.

She was like, no, we argued about when someone came over and I was cooking for everyone.

I was like, girl,

that is not the same.

So I fear for my feelings towards Janet now that she's come for near.

Yeah.

And Jason.

And Jason.

Who's Jason?

Jason is her husband.

Mr.

Janet.

Mr.

Queenie of the Year.

The names on this show are so coming.

We have Jacks, Jesse, and Jason.

Jason and Jesse, I'm always calling them the wrong name.

And then I was watching, I got caught up this weekend.

They They started talking about Jared.

They started talking about someone named Jared.

There was like a fight offline about Jared.

And I'm like, okay.

Someone has to change it.

I don't know who Jared is.

And I don't want to know who Jared is.

Have you seen the video of Aaron, Michelle's boyfriend, throwing the ball?

No.

Oh, my God.

It's the worst video I've ever seen in my entire life.

I have to show it to you.

What's he like?

He's just throwing it.

He's in the backyard.

It was like, I think the most recent episode.

Oh, okay.

And they're like having a conversation in the backyard and yeah when she's talking about how like isabelle loves his house yes and she wants to move in air in the valley throwing ball i feel like maybe i did see this on they're like it was the cringiest okay so he threw the ball

i'm not on tick tock so like i don't see like

Why did he throw it like that?

I'm sorry.

Why did he throw your his backyard is like a four by four?

No, and he's like slugging it.

No, he's like, this is like the downhone derby.

What is he doing?

That's really funny.

Oh my God, people can't breathe.

Like, that's hysterical.

So we have a lot to talk about today, reality TV wise.

But how do you like structure your life so that you can watch all this television?

And also, like, just be a present

in the world and a mother and a wife and a friend.

I lack in a lot of other areas for sure.

We crush it all on like weekends.

We're able to luckily like get screeners for something.

So we're not like

that.

You don't get screeners for Love Island, do you?

No.

Okay.

No.

So that.

We just started getting screeners for Bravo shows, which has really helped for like being able to do this job and like keep up with recaps.

I do like that Love Island is late because it allows me to like do the bedtime routine, get her to sleep.

Yeah.

I'm like, okay, now it's 10 o'clock at night.

We can sit down and watch Love Island.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we both watched last night's episode, which wasn't like so crazy because more started.

So like we'll recap that at the end

and then what else is going on with you i feel like you and nick are just like the darlings of tv he's doing the um

salt lake why do i always sex lives mormon wives reunion yes the sex lives mormon wives reunion the sex lives of mormon wives did you go to that i did not i did not but he yeah he's hosting the reunion and i think it's gonna be insane um july 1st is when it comes out he's like we've built friendships with a lot of these women and so that you guys are the go-to stop for the mormon wives we love our mormon wives wives.

Yeah, they're great.

They're really great.

They give.

And I think it's honestly because they are so Mormon that they're like, we have to tell you the truth.

Like, I can't lie to you.

So they're like,

you're ugly.

I can't lie.

It's against my religion.

No, it's so true.

That show has been such a breath of fresh air.

Cause do you ever feel like fatigued by reality TV?

Like Formulaic and everyone, like some of the shows have gotten to a place that are like not good.

And then you're still expected to watch it, even though if you were just a passive consumer, you would have turned it off right right i mean especially the valley the valley is so dark and it's like really hard for me to keep watching but i'm like i just pushed through and then we we've started next gen

you did wow you've taken that on yeah unfortunately how's that going not good

not good at all um we watched it on 2.2 to 2.0 speed oh my god that's oh that's

like

that's really funny and so what will you do if like it's not worth your time?

Like, do you feel like you could stop watching a show or you feel like?

Yes, we stopped watching New York, Rahos in New York, because we're like, this is awful.

Like, this is so bad.

I don't know what's happening.

We stopped after the pregnancy prank of last season.

We stopped that.

I think we're probably on our road to stopping next gen.

We barely talk about it because it's just like nothing.

Yeah.

I mean, these people.

Yeah.

But no, I mean, like.

When Love Island's beginning to like, no, Love Island's taking over, truly.

It really is.

in a positive and negative way you had bella on yes beldasha beldasha who have you had anyone else from we had charlie

charlie jalen oh my gosh like my heart is just goes out to charlie but then jalen came along so i've like had to suppress and like i forgot about how much i miss and love charlie how is charlie oh my god he's such a doll and he like have you seen peaky blinders no oh my god he's from like birmingham where that's like where peaky blinders so he has this accent of all of these hot peaky blinders.

It's it's Killian, Killian Murphy.

Is that his aunt?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, he's he's in it.

I mean, he just, he's, he's so sweet.

He deserves better.

He did, and he was like, I fast forward through all of Hannah's parts.

Do you think he's waiting?

Like, do you think that now that she's home, they're going to get together?

Really?

How could they?

Like, we all saw the Spitstar.

I know.

And he was saying how, like, his ex lived in the States, and he was like, it didn't work.

And I was like, well, Charlie's better.

He deserves so much better.

Honestly, he should be our next bachelor.

Oh, he should be.

I wish there was like more crossover.

And that's something a theme that's coming up in a lot of like this shows that I'm doing this month because I'm talking to like a lot of reality TV people who are like, they're great reality TV stars.

We need them back on our screens.

Instead of like putting on these untested people, like always recasting new randos, like let's go into the archives.

They know what they're doing.

They'll give us reality TV.

Like next gen, they're not giving us anything because they're just like kids.

They're just like Nepo babies.

Like they don't know how to actually start drama.

They're like starting drama because a girl didn't wash her hands.

And it's like, oh, three episodes, actually, talking about the girl doesn't wash her hands.

Oh, it's like really embarrassing.

It's really hard.

Even like Summer House, like both Tyler C.

was here and Juliette Porter and they both said that they want to do Summer House.

Like putting it on the bottom.

That would be really good.

Right?

Really good.

I think, obviously, Paige is gone.

I think Sierra should also go.

I think Amanda should also go.

And I think Lindsay is sweet popping in back and forth.

Like as a mentor to I don't see Sierra like making out with a housemate and like hooking up in her bed.

I don't see it.

And that's what I want to see.

Yeah.

You know?

No, I agree, which is why it was shocking that Lexi didn't come back.

What do you know about that?

Like, do you think she chose to not come back or Bravo chose?

I think it was, I think they probably had a meeting and she was like, so, and they were like, so, and she was like, all right, like, it's enough, you know, like mutual.

I don't think she was ever going to be back in that house with Jesse ever again.

I think they hate each other.

But that's good television.

I know.

But she came on the toast at the end of May and she seemed down for season two.

Like she had like, you know, she was ready and like prepared and like healed and like maybe I misread the situation.

Do you think they chose Jesse over Lexi?

I think so, but I don't know why they wouldn't choose them both.

Like that's interesting TV.

It's like Jersey Shore, you know, where people

wake up and break up.

It's like West and Sierra last season.

Like and he still came back.

Except that that didn't get good because she like refused to engage with him, which is like not really going to work on our television.

You do live in the same house.

I do feel like Lexi would have met someone, gone out.

You know what I mean?

Like we could have developed from there.

I do also think maybe she's just dating so up that she's like, I don't need the like locals of Montauk.

Yeah.

You know?

Oh, because yeah, with all her exes.

I mean, like, yeah.

Yeah.

You know, she's on the road upwards.

I understand.

But I don't know.

I think it was good for her.

That one really surprises me.

Like, I can't wrap my head around it because I feel like they let her go yeah i do feel like they need a full reboot reboot and just read that's like everything but do you trust them to do it look at roni no i don't honestly there hasn't been a very successful reboot no

except for oc was going oh like it was sort of like on its way out and then they like brought back they went into the archives that's what i'm saying

they brought back tamara and then they brought back what's um her name who's back this season um gretchen

oh Gretchen.

Good times.

I don't know.

Good times.

Do you watch all the housewives?

Are you watching Miami?

Majority of them.

We started Miami.

Handmade's good.

Apparently.

I think we're like two episodes in, maybe.

And if you ever miss a season, do you feel like you have to get all the way caught up?

Or do you just like jump in?

No, we'll probably just jump in.

That's good.

If it's like, I mean, unless it's like really talked about, like Love Island last season, we weren't talking about it and then it was everywhere.

And so we binged 50 episodes, you know, over a week.

No, that was good.

We didn't do it, and it was a, it was a, the wrong thing.

Did you watch it?

You just didn't talk about it, you didn't watch it.

Oh, no, if I watch something, I have to talk about it.

Like, that's like my favorite part of having a podcast.

Like, when we were off for a week in May, and I was watching TV because I had a procedure.

And

I was like, oh my God, I have nowhere to say.

Like, I'm bursting.

Like, I'm seriously bursting.

And like, if even with like Love Island and all the frustration I'm feeling right now, like, if I didn't have a vessel to channel it into, like I don't know how

I don't know how lay people do it.

I really don't.

I think they just post TikToks.

Yeah, that's true.

That's not kind of what everyone's doing.

It's not as fun.

No, this is, this is nice.

I need to like talk through my feelings and I have the perfect person here to do that.

So we're going to get into the stories and then we'll circle back to some TV.

And yeah, you're going to help me break down the fast five.

Let's break them down.

So without further ado, dad, do that.

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Our first story is some tailored and Travis news as they continue their summer of love.

They are actually in Nashville right now for George Kittle's tight end university training camp kickoff.

So George Kittle does something called tight end university

where a lot of tight ends come together.

Do you feel like Taylor wants to be there or do you feel like she's just being supportive?

I feel like of all the things that she has to go to for Travis, like this is not the worst one because it's like all the tight ends and it's like George Travis and another tight end sorry to this man.

I don't Greg Olson.

They host this like NF this like moment for tight ends to come together in Nashville, where she's from, like, she, at least, she could, they could stay at her house.

And, you know, it's like very, like, NFL glamorous.

Like, I don't feel like it's like the boring parts of the NFL.

They went to Jason Aldeen's bar last night, which is kind of surprising.

They're hitting Broadway.

They hit Broadway.

Wait, that's so interesting.

Right?

I wish I need to see a video of them walking down Broadway.

And, like, how was that?

You know, like, they were probably just like cab to curb.

Yeah.

And maybe TEU's event last night was at

Jason Aldean's bar.

Yeah, you think?

I think, I don't think Taylor walked into Jason Aldean's bar like just for like,

this is a spot to like see the local singing up on stage.

Singing Taylor Swift.

So I think it was, I'm just piecing together that it was hosted there.

She's like taking pictures with Claire Kittle and like some of the other wags.

I think, yeah, and like being a part of the community.

And I think as far as community events go, like this isn't a bad one.

No, no, no, this isn't a bad one i thought they were like on the field like running drills so it doesn't seem like that's

we'll be doing that today but she's going to like the after parties right right right she is doing the glamour stuff i do you feel like her and and like the wags get along i think so i feel like she really makes an effort to get along with everyone she crosses paths with especially like if they're important to her man and like his job and his life.

Like, I feel like she leads with kindness.

What did you think of the photo of his back?

Of the hair.

Yeah.

Like, I just,

like, it was very human, you know?

And I'm human or like

animal-like to me.

Like, it's a human moment.

Yes.

You know?

So, like, and I don't need a man, like a big man like that to like, I don't know, shave his back.

No, I definitely don't need him waxed.

So there you go.

Yeah.

It's an imperfect hairy back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I find that

so interesting that she went from Joe

to this big hairy imperfect back imperfect back yeah

yeah and there's no way Joe had any any strands of hair on his back no no maybe like a peach fuzz maybe a peach fuzz and it was blonde yeah for sure so I wonder like now if she ever misses those days I don't think so I don't think so she probably like

I think she likes a manly man now moisturizes and brushes it out yeah you know you think they're the type to like pop each other

oh 100%.

Are you guys the type to do that?

Absolutely.

I mean, Nick is like, oh, can I get that?

And I'm like, you haven't washed your hands in days.

Like, I don't want you to go marry me.

Oh, my God.

No, Claudia and Ben are like that.

Like, all up in there

potting each other's pimples.

Yeah, that's like their favorite thing.

That's awful.

If my husband ever came at me like this, I would break his fingers.

I'm so scared of that.

You're going to make it infected.

Yeah, because I don't even like pop my own pimples.

Like the best way to heal them is just to like ride them.

You let them sit.

You put a pimple patch on it and you let them sit.

Right.

Like, I'm not a pimple popper, let alone someone else's.

Are you people crazy?

Especially someone else who hasn't washed their hands.

Yeah.

No, Travis Kelsey definitely like wants to pop pimples.

For sure.

I feel like Taylor might be a little quirky like that, too.

Yeah, I feel like, and

it wouldn't work if they weren't on the same page about it.

Like, I don't think they're the type that fart around each other, but I do think they are.

Do you think he could hold it in?

I think he's the type that blames it on like the the cat.

He like loves the cat, always has one on his lap.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's like, you can put the cat down.

He's like, no, I'm eight.

I ate dairy today.

I want to hold her.

She's like, I think the cat is sick.

We need to take the cat to the vet immediately.

She hasn't stopped shitting.

I don't feel like he can hold in his carts.

Like, I feel like he lets them rip.

Like, he's like proud of them.

Yeah.

That's my nightmare.

For sure.

That's my nightmare of a man.

For sure.

Proud of them.

Like, did you hear that one?

I would rather go myself.

Honestly, that's awful.

But I don't think she's like, no, she's

crazy.

There's like a movie where like the guy farts or someone farts and then like the girl farts like even bigger.

And that's like, no.

No.

She would never.

No.

She would absolutely never.

Do you?

No.

No.

No.

Never.

Yeah.

It's not even like a level of like closeness that we need to achieve.

Like we're just not.

But also sometimes you don't even need to be that close.

Right.

You you know, and it like my husband's not as precious about it as I am, but I am very precious about it right and I am as well like I wouldn't I would absolutely never yeah, you know and Nick is like and I'm so grateful for the way that he handles himself is it's always like what

yeah

Uh-oh, River.

He'll like go out to the backyard and like shut the door behind him.

Oh, that's nice.

He's really polite with it, honestly.

It's so sweet and romantic.

That's really nice.

I meant to ask you, do you, you know, Kelly Clarkson's daughter is River Rose as well?

I found that out.

I had a hundred people DM me.

I'm sure.

Did people buy you the book?

No.

She wrote a children's book and it's called River Rose and the Magical Lullaby.

And it's a great book.

No.

Oh, my God.

I can't believe no one bought that for you.

I was like thinking I would get you one, but like I figure you probably have a 10 copy.

No one thought of me.

No one thought that.

People are disgusting.

Literally, no one thought of me.

My sister did create, you know how you can like make a book with like the name of it?

My sister did do that with when I like find out with like her

ultrasound, her 3D ultrasound photo in the front.

So it's honestly a little scary.

We need to need to go into recap.

We need an update, yeah.

I made one of those for Bruno, like Bruno's Wondrous Adventures.

Actually, really cute, and it's a really good gift for like someone who has a baby and a dog.

But I think the company closed down because I tried to make one for Claudia, I think.

Romeo's Wondrous Adventures, and they were out of business.

But have you read The River Roses one related?

No, we read it all the time.

Oh, it's like a, it's a good, it's like certified good.

You know, it's not not like a piece of garbage book, like I'm sure you read somebody likes.

There's so many.

Like some books that are like a joy to read.

Yeah.

They've got rhythm, they've got rhyme.

And she, and River will turn the page for me, and sometimes she skips a couple pages, and I am like, thank God.

It's over with.

When Lauren Elizabeth was on the, she stayed at my house and she was like reading to my kids.

And they just have these like long, like superhero books that are, and she was like, I was first word of every page.

No, I can't.

First word of every page.

No, when they're too long, I can't.

We read the first sentence and flip.

Yeah, no.

But River Rose is a good one.

100%.

I'll send you a copy.

Thank you.

Our next story is a bit of a wonderful update for women because the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are breaking down their 400% salary increase.

So DCC season two just dropped on Netflix.

Season one was amazing, but it really shone a spotlight on the fact that the girls are underpaid.

Like they, it's a part-time job.

So

they also have other jobs, but like the amount of work that goes into being a DCC and like the, especially when you think about like what the men are getting paid to play football, right?

It was just obviously like

sexist, it's sexist, not fair, and now they're making it right.

And I feel like they always made the argument, you know, like it's an amazing platform and like it's a networking thing, and like, you know, you get all these other perks from being DCC, and it's not even about the money, which is also true.

But like, now they also have a Netflix show, and like now the DCC brand is even bigger, and it's like, okay, it's time to pay the girls.

They remind me so much of Bring It On, where it's like the cheerleaders are like winning everything and the football team.

Hey, you just lost.

But my husband is a Cowboys fan, so we're a Cowboys family.

And so I'm a DCC.

Like I'm obsessed with DCC.

So you're so excited.

They've given me like so much to look forward to over the years.

Like when we go to games and stuff, I just love watching them.

So then have them having their show on Netflix is just like even mid-watch the show with you or is he like not into the cheerleaders?

He didn't watch.

I actually, we watched it last summer.

I was with Claudia.

So like we watched it like girly time.

But I think he would like the show, even though it's very girly, yeah, but it's culture.

I think he loves the fact that like they're bringing me in more because he wants me to be a bigger Cowboys fan, but I just like can't stop clowning on them because like they need to start winning.

No, they suck.

They like, why are they so bad?

And he's like, they're America's team, like they're the richest team in the league.

Like, I'm like, then why can't they play better?

Yeah, right.

If you've, if they have all of America behind them, you would think they would play better.

And they're worth like the most amount of money because

their branding is insane.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

Okay, so how much are the Dallas Cowboys getting paid?

So they were initially making like 15 hours, $15 hourly, which now longtime team members will be making up to $75 per hour.

They're making minimum wage.

Yeah.

No, like I think last season, some of the girls, you make different based on how many years you're in the league, but like they were making like $20,000 a season.

So like they were also like nurses and teachers and like working like, and they were, and they have to wake up so early and they have to train and they were just like doing so much.

And it's just not fair.

So it's an up to 400% increase, but it will depend like what games you're in and how many appearances you do and

how many hours and how many years.

So have they all quit their nursing jobs and their teaching jobs now that they've gotten a few raised?

I feel like, hopefully, no, because it's like a short moment in time.

Like probably most people max are on the team for four years.

And then you go back to work full-time.

So it's like, amazing if you can like maximize that time while also like keeping your career on track.

It's honestly, that's kind of fucked up that men can play football for so long and then just like get traded when they're done.

Like, why can't the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders get traded to like

another team?

Actually, I think when like some of them, if you if you don't make the team after a certain amount of time and you still want to dance, like you could go to another team, but this is like they have the highest standards for cheerleaders.

They don't want to go down.

But then also it's just like, you know, the plight of being a woman, like if you plan on being a mom, like if you want to have a baby, like

those kicks aren't going so high anymore.

They're not going high anymore.

when was the last time you kicked oh when was the last time i kicked i genuinely can't remember

no no and i don't think i should be kicking i would be so scared to kick yeah i would be very nervous to kick yeah i would hurt something if i kicked yeah for sure it hurts even thinking of it it was hurting me to think of that

carriage yeah

um so i'm happy for the girls and also from this show like a lot of them became influencers and then i'm sure from this season we'll get new breakout stars influencers money etc which they deserve deserve.

I need more people to want to buy things from.

Oh, you do?

You know?

Yeah.

The ones that

I'm losing interest.

The ones that you follow.

Yeah, I'm just like, you're not giving me really what I want anymore, you know?

Can you describe

the type of person you're talking about?

Like, the OGs.

I think it's just,

maybe the OGs who maybe have lost sight of OGness and maybe they, you know,

and hopefully I'm, I don't turn into this person, but the person who's like linking all of like the dupes and the like, you know, like Amazon lookalikes, and then they're like, oh, here's my outfit, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci Prada.

And you're like, well, that's crazy.

Like, right.

Now, like, where, where do I get that?

That's not a $700 sweater.

But then they'll give you the dupe.

They don't.

They don't give you the juice.

They don't.

No, they were like strictly shopping Amazon and then they made so much money that now they're like only wear designer and now they only post and link their designer and it's like, well, you've lost me.

Yeah.

No, they need to like do the mid thing a little bit.

Yeah, you need to like be a little bit more relatable.

Interesting.

I guess that's like just part of the life cycle of an influencer.

Like you start out small and then like you make money and you get bigger.

And so you like buy more expensive things and you sort of lose the people that were like so attracted to you in the first place.

Yeah.

You lose that relatability.

You lose it.

Which is why influencers who never claim to be relatable kind of crush.

Honestly, truly.

They're like, I actually don't want to be like that.

You never said that.

Never

said that I'm LA.

No, but like they, they really do have a lot of longevity because like nothing's changed.

Truly.

It's like, no, you've always been this way.

Oh, no, perfect.

I feel like so many of the people I follow, like I feel like the people that I follow, it's like, it takes a lot for me to follow a new person these days.

And so like when I do, I'm like, I remember where I was.

You're wet.

Yes.

No, I love that.

Thank you.

I feel like I follow like a lot of like the Bachelor OGs, which makes me wonder, did you watch the Bachelor seasons that your husband was on?

No, I did not.

I did not watch The Bachelor at all.

I watched, so I think I started with Hannah Brown because she was from Alabama.

Yeah.

And I'm from Alabama.

And so I was like, oh my God, this is, who came first, Hannah Brown or Pilot Pete?

Hannah Brown.

She came, Hannah was from Colton.

Okay.

Am I making that up?

No, I think that's right.

Hannah was from Colton and then Pete was from Hannah.

Okay, yeah.

So I don't think I watched Hannah's, but I like followed Hannah on Instagram and I was like keeping up with what she was doing.

And then Maddie Pruitt, we like went to high school together, like knew each other growing up.

And so I watched her on Pilot Pete's season, but I'd never watched any of Nick's.

And I'm so excited for the day that River is like, Dad, what is this?

And she wants to start watching him on television.

His season,

his bachelor season was really good.

He had like the girls that like from his season, I feel like are the girls I associate with The Bachelor, but also because they are my age.

I feel like, like, are you the same age as Hannah Brown?

It's funny.

You like wind up watching in your bracket.

Yeah.

Like, I'm with the 1992 girls, you know, like like Raven.

She's a bad.

Yes.

Amanda Stanton.

Yes.

Those are my OGs.

Yes.

But I feel like you're part of the newer wave.

Like Victoria Fuller is your friend.

Yes.

She is my friend.

We love her here.

Do you?

Yes.

Oh my God.

We think she's like the most beautiful person.

She is the most beautiful person.

I always say, I think she looks like Claudia.

She does.

I just like, she always has like an interesting boyfriend.

I just like, I want the world for her.

No, and I know she's going to get it.

I know.

I really want her with like, I want her with a Travis Kelsey, you know?

Like, I see that for her.

But it didn't work out with Will.

It did not work out with Will.

Yeah.

I think, um, I think she had fun while it lasted.

I think she had fun while it lasted.

I think it was more of like he,

you know, maybe like got in his head a little bit and couldn't like prioritize her because he wasn't playing so well, you know.

They love to blame the woman.

Yeah.

They love to blame the woman.

She got Jessica.

She got Jessica Simpson 100%.

100%.

So I think it was like, oh, this isn't like, you know.

I think she needs to be with like someone good.

Oh, that would be nice.

Yeah.

Like a Travis Kelse.

I would love that.

Maybe she'll go to some TU event centered all dean's.

Oh my gosh, you should go to Aldin's.

I wonder if they let her in.

For sure.

Look at that face card.

No, no, no, that's so true.

Never denied, right?

Because

never denied.

Oh, that is so funny.

No, so those are your people.

How did you meet Nick?

I slid into his DMs.

So because I followed Hannah Brown and Madison Pruitt, I feel like the algorithm was working.

And he was on my explore page, like a photo he had posted.

And it's so funny because the photo he posted is just like him standing what now I know to be the Whole Foods parking lot.

Cracking.

And now that I know the story of it, it goes a little something like this.

Okay.

So he would frequent the Venice Whole Foods.

And, you know, he lived alone.

So he would go there like every day to buy, you know, what he's having for supper.

And there was a

massage therapist in the Whole Foods in Venice who would do like chair massages.

In Whole Foods.

In Whole Foods.

In like the soap section.

That's crazy.

It's crazy.

Okay.

I think he says her name is Maria.

Okay.

And he would get a chair massage every single time he'd go to the Whole Foods, to grocery shop.

And he was like, you know, they just kept telling you, like, you got to post every day on Instagram.

You got a post, you got a post.

That's how you like keep everyone entertained.

And so he was like, Maria, after this massage, do you mind taking a photo of me in the parking lot?

And she was like, sure.

So she followed him, left her station, followed him to the parking lot, and took his Instagram pic.

And that's the photo that I saw on Mike's lore page that I DMed.

That compelled you to reach out.

That compelled me to DM.

And had you known who he was, or it was just like that photo was just so compelling.

No, that photo was so compelling.

She did a really great job.

He should hire her.

Literally.

I don't know what she's doing since COVID.

I really wish her the best and I do hope that we can find her.

She needs to be head of social media for Violet Incorporated.

She really does.

That's so cute how did he see your d like i feel like he was a hot commodity i guess you know avid he's he was an avid checker maybe i don't know maybe he just like maybe he it was a happenstance you know he happened to check i happened to send so what did you say it was groundbreaking i don't know if you are ready i'm ready you're unreal wow that's really cute

thank you

i honestly was like this guy's hot i'm gonna send this and then i went about my day and did not think twice about it and the next time i got back on instagram i was like oh my god he's responded oh my god i forgot about this hello and he asked you out he we well we chatted for like a couple days and then we started like face timing i was living in georgia at the time in savannah and he was in la and so he was like i'm gonna be in new york in a couple weeks and i was like that's so crazy same I'm also gonna be in New York.

Are you gonna be in New York?

No, not at all.

And I booked a ticket immediately.

And then I was like, oh, I'm like seeing some friends and then I actually wasn't seeing friends and I was like hey

my friends are busy I have nowhere to stay so I'm just gonna like get a hotel somewhere you know for like the weekend and he was like why don't you just stay with me and I was like

wow

sure so we like spent the weekend together and then we were like okay this was so fun like see you never

and I was like let me know if you're ever back on the you know east coast again and then like a couple days went by and he was like do you want to come out to LA and then we like spent 10 months going going back and forth.

And I was like, I really want to date you.

And he was like, no, it's not going to happen.

Really?

He turned me down so many times.

How long were you dating like unofficially?

Like 10 months.

Wow.

Yeah.

What did he say for why he didn't want to?

Because of the age gap.

He was like, I don't know if we're on the same path of life.

Because how old were you when you guys met?

21.

Wow.

He was 37, I think.

Okay.

But he didn't know that you're an old soul.

He didn't know.

Yeah.

He had no idea that you were.

He thought you were just like a regular girl.

He thought I was just like a party girl.

He had no idea that I'm like well, mature beyond my age.

You are.

I think that's what everybody says about you.

That's like the vibe that you exude.

You were saying how you and Nick have an age hub.

I'm like, oh, right.

I know that somewhere in my brain, but it doesn't feel that way because you feel very mature for your age.

And he seems like a younger guy.

Yeah.

I think I like survived a lot in my life.

And I like, I lived on my own at 15.

I like grew up really, really fast.

And I feel like that.

So by the time I got 21, I was like, no, I'm actually like done partying.

I'm done.

Like, I don't want to live that life anymore.

I'm ready to settle down.

I want children.

Like, I want this, I want like a stable relationship.

And he was, you know, 37.

Did he want those things?

He wanted children.

He said he never wanted to get married.

Okay.

Red flag, red flag.

I was like, okay, well, it's not going to work for sure.

But if you want kids, you don't want to get married.

That's not how this day and age works.

Okay.

Do you want to be canceled?

So we just had a baby before a wedding.

Right, right, right.

Oh, I guess he got a little bit of a kid.

He got a having kid.

He got to to have a kid before he got married.

Sure.

He compromised.

Exactly.

So, yeah.

And then finally, I was like, I can't do this anymore.

Like, I have too many feelings involved.

And I'm going to, like, I was, we were both seeing other people and we were both like very honest about that, which I think helped our relationship because we were, you know, he'd like FaceTime me and I'm getting ready for a date.

And he's like, what are you doing?

And I think most women would probably be like, oh, nothing.

Going out with the girls because they don't want to like hurt their feelings or something.

And I was like, oh, I'm going on a date.

You don't want to date me.

Like, like i'm gonna keep dating yeah and so then finally i was like i don't want to do this anymore like i'm gonna get my feelings hurt and he was like okay and then i didn't talk to him and he was like actually i'm in love with you and i was like thank you thank god yeah thank god and he was like and i just bought a house do you want to move in with me and i was like i'm on the way so that's when you moved to la yeah and then how much later until you got pregnant so we got engaged like maybe three years later and then I got pregnant like six months after we got engaged.

Nice.

Yeah.

Crushing.

You changed him, changed him.

They say you can't do it.

By the way, don't get any ideas from Natalie.

They're the exception.

Okay, literally.

Duna, it does not work, honestly, most of the time.

Please, I tried so many other fixers, and it never worked.

That is hysterical.

How did you feel about his job?

Like, did you ever see yourself going into like what he was doing in the way that you have?

No, so I was full-time, and I was a surgical technologist, so I was like assisting surgeons in the operating room.

I loved it.

I had so much fun doing it, and I kept doing it up until I got pregnant.

I was in my first trimester and I was very, very sick.

And I was like, no, actually, like looking at this blood is making me actually have to vomit.

Like, I have to scrub out and puke.

Like, I cannot do this.

Yeah.

And so I was like breaking sterility a lot because I kept having to leave.

And then surgeries were like taking longer because I was like, and my doctor was like, this isn't going to work.

Like, we need to figure something out.

So I took some time off.

And then when I took that time off, Nick was like, well, why don't you just like come on the pod for a moment?

And so I did.

And then we just like.

And that's another one where it's like working with your husband is usually not going to work for you guys.

It does work for you.

Don't get any ideas.

Yeah, honestly, I'm not, I should leave.

Because when I think about like a couple that like one of them has a podcast or whatever, and then the other one's gonna like come on and like they're gonna do it together, like I would just think objectively, like that's a bad idea.

Right.

But it's so like you guys are, you were made for it.

And you like, really, I feel like you really balance out like his shtick with like just like a female perspective.

Yes.

And it really, really works.

Yeah, I think he's able to bring, it's always like he's, he's bad cop, I'm good cop, you know, like he's able to bring the like really good, hard-hitting questions.

And then I'm there to be like, oh my God, but like, loved you.

You know, like, and I do love you.

We had Sherry Papini on and I was honestly Sherry Papini hoax kidnapper.

Right.

Kidnapped, you know, Nick was like, I don't believe you, you know, kind of the whole time.

And I was like, and you are so pretty.

I just have to say.

And

I, I don't think you did it.

You did do it.

You did do it.

But like, I get so nervous sitting beside people being mean.

Like I can't.

Yeah.

You know, so I'm just always good good cop and I think it does work for us.

It does really work.

But again, don't try that.

No, no, no, no, no.

Awful.

Well, now it is time for our next story, which is some national anthem news, because Kristen Chenwith is getting slammed for what people are saying was a bad national anthem performance during the NBA Finals, which also, like, it was the NBA Finals.

I guess in hindsight, like, my husband did have some friends over.

He said they were watching the game.

I think it was a big deal.

And I think that was the finals.

Except, like, the Oklahoma City Thunder, like, they're not making a big deal about their win.

I feel like I had to seek out who won.

Right.

Whereas usually it's like flooding.

It's everywhere.

I guess I don't, maybe I don't follow that many Thunder fans.

Yeah.

But

I didn't know any, any, I didn't even know people lived there.

In Oklahoma City.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In Oklahoma City.

Kristen Chen was saying the national anthem and she did her thing.

Like she did her Broadway thing with it.

Which I hate.

Which you didn't like it.

She's getting slammed.

I was expecting it to be far worse because I'm looking for like Fergie and Ingrid Andres.

Yes.

And it wasn't sonically bad.

Like she sounds like a Pargi opera singer.

It's just like not the vibe.

No.

And honestly, I, we had Ingrid on our show a while back to talk about, she had like the flop, they talked about the flop.

And she recognizes it's such a flop.

She was like, no, honestly, like I got back and no one would talk to me.

And I was like, how was that?

She was like so hammered.

And they were like, we'll talk about it tomorrow.

I'm just like, I fucking crashed.

And they were like, yeah, well, we'll just, you go to sleep.

We'll talk about it.

And checked yourself injury up the next day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So she, you know, she has lived, she has learned.

And thank God for that.

And I do not like when they change the tune.

I don't want you to change the tune of our songs, you know, like, and that, what I, that's what I feel like Kristen was doing.

And I feel like it wasn't needed.

I feel like she does have a beautiful voice.

Yeah.

And she was, it wasn't like off tune.

No.

Which I was thinking it was.

The notes were hit.

The notes were hit.

Yeah.

But the ending.

She got carried away with Kristen self, but like you hired Kristen Chenoweth to do the national anthem.

Kristen Chenoweth did the national anthem.

Like, what did you expect?

So I would say that this is more on like the talent recruiter than it is on Kristen.

She's also like a local to Oklahoma City.

Okay.

They like to do that.

Yeah.

I just like, I didn't think it was bad and it doesn't deserve to be there with like Fergie and Ingrid.

It doesn't.

It's in just a different category of like, well, she put her old Chris Dussie into it.

Yeah.

And you didn't like that.

Yeah, I felt like maybe that's not the place to put the national

answer.

Yeah, to put that into the national anthem, you know?

it's like you wouldn't put that into

the Pledge of Allegiance, you wouldn't, you know, like these are just songs who have their tune.

Yeah, you wouldn't put it into Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Stars, you know, like you don't change the tune of those songs, yeah, yeah.

So, you don't like when people take it in a different direction, like, no, I don't even like it when my husband changes the song when he's singing to River.

I'm like, that's not how it goes.

Oh, it's actually not, she doesn't like that, it's not obvious.

He sent me a video of her

where she's holding her, she's a very small jelly cat bunny, and it's called baby bun bun.

Okay, and he was calling it her rabbit.

And I was like, you might as well call it a hair.

Like, what the fuck?

She doesn't know what a rabbit is.

She thinks it's a different thing.

No, she's like, where's my rabbit?

No, she does.

It's baby bun bun.

And you have to refer to it as baby bun bun.

Yeah.

She doesn't know rabbit.

We speak river.

We speak river in this house.

Yeah.

So that's kind of, you know, like you can't, they won't understand.

And I felt like I didn't really understand the national anthem when Kristen was singing because it was very much in her own way.

So who are some of your favorites that have done it?

Because when I'm thinking about like the most recent ones at like the Super Bowl and stuff, like, did you like Chris Stapleton?

Loved.

Okay.

Loved.

And I, Chris Stapleton cannot do any wrong.

Yeah, I agree.

You know, she didn't like it.

Yeah, literally.

I don't want to fucking talk to you.

I'm not interested.

He cannot do any wrong.

And I think him and his beard should continue to sing every single national anthem.

Did you like Lady Gaga?

She got a little crazy with it.

No, I didn't.

I didn't.

I don't, I just don't, we don't need that.

You know,

like, you can show your talent without being like,

you know, like, you don't have to do that.

I understand.

I think that's a fair assessment.

I'll take a little bit of it.

Okay.

As long as it feels respectful to me.

So you loved Kristen.

No, I didn't love Kristen, but like, I can recognize that she did the job that she was asked to do, which is Kristen Chenwis singing the National Anthem.

Yeah.

And you asked for me.

Yeah.

And you got me.

Like, what did you think you were going to get?

So, and I do feel like the NBA like loves having a national anthem moment.

And like

good or bad.

Like, it's not a coincidence that every year at the the finals we're talking about, the national anthem because we're certainly not talking about the game.

No, absolutely not.

We didn't even know it was happening.

Well, I wonder what the players think during while they're standing there.

I feel like they feel a lot of pressure to not show anything on their face, whether they like it or they don't like it, because like they don't know how it's going to play.

So true.

Yeah.

So true.

They only care about what the fans think.

Yeah.

So they're just like, stroke it.

But then when they crack, that's when you know.

It wasn't good.

With Fergie and with Ingrid.

Well, our next next story is a little fashion news that dropped this morning because Kim Kardashian is announcing her collaboration between Roberto Cavalli and Skims Swim.

So in another high fashion collab for Skims and Kim, they are collaborating with Cavali.

Some pictures have dropped of what we can expect from the collection, like Lion One Piece, Lion Moo Moo, Lion Bikini, Very Cavali and Very Skims.

I think this is like

A plus.

No, truly.

I think she continues to like partner with the right people.

I think she's an incredible businesswoman, and I think she knows what she's doing.

Like her collab with North Face for the puffers, like she just is smart with it.

And I do think this is a great collab.

I personally will not be wearing a lion One Piece.

Yeah.

Ever.

So I won't be purchasing from this drop, but I might.

I want to see the rest of the stuff.

I don't love like, I don't wear a lot of animal prints, but I feel like there might be other stuff that's more for me.

I feel like maybe that makes that would, that, that One Piece would make my bush look more like a bush.

You know what I'm saying?

Like it's actual, it's fur.

It is, you're right.

I missed that.

I wonder if that's on purpose.

Like, it's right in the bush.

It's just, it's giving shadows, you know?

Yeah.

I need to see more

pictures.

Yeah.

Skims Cavali.

And it always is just shocking, like, how she gets these collabs.

But I guess like when you really zoom out, it's like, well, Skims is the name on everybody's lips.

And these days, Cavali isn't.

Though it's like a very storied brand and it has great name recognition, it's not at what it was.

I'm not going into a Kavali store.

Right.

So this is actually really great for Kavali.

Honestly,

good for her.

Would you wear it?

If I were skinny.

Yeah.

If I were skinny, yeah.

Interesting.

So,

but because I'm not

won't be purchasing.

No, I

have to tell you this story.

So Nick booked me a massage.

He was like, oh, let's get a massage at the house.

Like someone will come to the house.

We would have been like traveling a ton or something.

He was like, someone's going to come to the house and and give us a massage i'm like okay cool whatever so he's like why don't you go first like great she sets up in like our player room which immediately vibes off yeah vibes are immediately off we have like link squad going off in the corner and um she's like okay so you could just get on top of the sheet and i was like on top of the sheet that's why would i get on top of the sheet i'm wearing a robe and like little like boy short underwear you know no bra nothing because i'm getting a massage right and you go under the sheet i'm being respectful getting a massage and you're actually wearing like the maximum amount of clothing which is underwear underwear.

Literally.

She's like, get on top.

And I was like, okay.

I like drop my robe and I get on top.

And she's like, so we're going to start with the stretch.

And I was like, I'm so sorry.

The stretch.

And she was like, yeah, the, so, well, the lymphatic and stretching.

And I was like, so this, this isn't a massage.

She was like, no, this is the stretch lymphatic.

And I was like, oh, okay.

So she grabs my leg.

I had.

I had not shaved and I cannot tell you how long my bush almost attacked her face.

And she's pulling my leg over.

And the way that I am trying to not make eye contact with her, I've never been so uncomfortable in my life.

And I, I can't, like the way that she was like, so what'd you do for dinner last night?

And like trying to have the most calm conversation while my literal bush is in her face was I've never been more mad at my husband.

I was like, how dare you tell me that massage?

It's not a massage.

He was like, oh, sorry.

It was like lymphatic.

You should have weared a sports bra.

This is PT.

I'm like, I should have been in literal workout clothes.

And I even said to her, like, should I put on a bra?

And she was like, oh, you're fine.

No, that's insane.

No, I'm sorry.

You had me naked in my kids' playroom, like leg up, stretching

pushed out.

Why would you do that?

Like, why would you do that to me?

And she, we, I haven't.

talked to her since.

And then what did Nick do for his?

Same thing.

And he thought

about deep tissue?

No, he was like, no, I knew.

Yeah.

He set you up.

No, he set me up.

It was awful.

It was the worst experience of of my life.

That is seriously so awkward.

No, I've had dreams about it since.

More stressful than not getting a massage at all.

Literally.

Caused me way more stress.

I'm so sorry.

He owes you a massage.

Did he make up for it?

No, he did not.

But we actually went, where were we?

We were in Vancouver for the last five weeks.

And on all of our downtime, he was like, we should get a massage.

So there were days where we got like two actual massages in one day.

Oh, nice.

So yeah, he did.

Oh,

but I just, that brings, I bring that up because of the Robert Cavalier line.

Yeah, very like bush sensitive.

Yes, yes.

And I do feel like we should normalize the bush.

That's my personal opinion.

Yeah.

No, I feel like as you get older, there are certain things where it's like, oh, like it's like nature.

That's why I should not be on Love Island.

That's the whole reason.

Oh my God, Love Island.

No, I should not be on Love Island because they are in a swimsuit all day long and they're all perfectly waxed.

Yeah.

I'm not interested in that.

No, and they're seriously wearing like the craziest thongs.

Like they are soon they're going to show up with no

bottom.

Nothing on.

It's wild.

Well, our fifth and final story is a little more,

I don't know, fashion news because the photos for Ryan Murphy's new show, American Love Story, just dropped.

It's about Carolyn Bissette Kennedy and JFK Jr., which is like, you know, everybody loves them and tragic love story.

And the photos came out of the cast and crew.

And, you know, there were some photos that were better than others, but there were a couple that I don't think anybody wanted to say it, but it looks like shit.

It looks like a JCPenney's like.

It does.

It looks like JCPenney was inspired by Carolyn Desette.

And now you can get the look for less.

Yes, exactly.

Because a couple of the photos that were like taken at like a shoot, not the ones on set, those are a little bit better when they're like in the context of like the show.

Right.

But Carolyn's look is off.

Awful.

Now her hair colorist, her real-life hair colorist of Carolyn is breaking down what Ryan Murphy got wrong in the show.

So yeah, the hair color, she obviously is like a very blonde blonde and they tried tried to recreate that, and it didn't hit.

She said, I love Ryan Murphy.

I mean, I live for him, but there must be sign of some kind of glitch with the costume people or the hair people because it's not right.

It's all white and burnt, he said, the hair colorist.

Her hair was not white and it wasn't burnt.

She hated the idea of having ashy hair, which I was totally against too, and I never did it.

But when I saw the first look, I went, oh my God, what am I going to do?

I mean, first of all, this person should have been brought on

as a consultant.

Like, like the fact that this is the person speaking out about this tells me everything i need to know yeah and the thing is it's like the hair is bad but also the fashion is bad she's wearing a birkin and it's seriously it looks like

so cheap it's empty first like it's it's really no it's like collapsing on itself yeah you can't put any like stuff

the bag

and

yeah they're just like standing in front of a black or a like a back a jc penny's backdrop like they're coming in for christmas cards and it's like it's it's they, yeah, he's standing like that's his mugshot.

Like the styling, the photography, the creative design.

Like, where is it?

I don't know.

It's, and like, then you see pictures of them in real life and they have not achieved what they set out to achieve, especially with the makeup, the hair, the hairstyle.

He said, Carolyn's hair was darker at the bottom.

The mid was medium blonde, and the front was all brilliant gold pieces.

Gold makes women look beautiful.

Ash makes you look dead unless you're wearing a ton of makeup.

And who wears a ton of makeup?

it's just wrong everything

i love him i love him too like because thanks for validating

y'all feel but not verbalize no and i feel like maybe ryan murphy is gagged from that comment like what you know like where does he go from here you know like i feel like maybe he loved this and now he's like oh no now this is bad and i also feel like he doesn't flop like no and they do so many uh period pieces and you know like re

recreations of like real people and stuff and for the most part no one's really had a complaint.

They do like a pretty good job of like nailing the character.

I think in this situation, like he had really big shoes to fill because they are so iconic for the way that they look.

And for him to miss on this

is a big L.

Yeah.

I also feel like him coming off of the

Menendez brothers, maybe he had like

feeling a little

too big for his little bit too big for his research.

I didn't watch that one.

Dark.

Real dark.

Happy to skip it.

But he also did like Monica Lewinsky.

He did OJ.

And like, remember the OJ one, like everyone was like their old selves and like you know all these people and he kind of like he even had chris jenner in there robert kardashian oj self

they like really had when does this come out this comes out sort of soon when was it i think in the next few months

i forget let me look if anyone will tell me which they won't Well,

I would actually watch this because I think their story is interesting.

I've read like a

sort of like a fan fiction version of it.

There's a book by Emily Giffin.

I forget what it's called, but it's like sort of a take on this story.

And it's so good.

And of course, it's not the true story, but it definitely made me interested in them as a couple because we were a little young.

Right, we weren't really.

We kind of like missed them.

We were so young.

Yeah, me and you.

Yeah.

Because we're the same age.

Yeah.

We were really young.

We were like in.

I feel like it's like stuff that happened in the 90s, like I missed because I wasn't like a conscious person.

And like anything that happened before, I learned in school.

Right.

But then, and things that happened after, like, I'm alive.

Right.

But like, this was like sort of a period that I missed.

So I know a little bit about them, but it would be something that I would want to know more about.

So I'm interested to watch it, but not if it's going to be a piece of crap.

No, I don't want to watch it if she, if her hair looks like shit.

I'm not watching it if it's ashy.

And if it feels like community theater, which is like my biggest pet peeve, especially when they're like trying to recreate like a moment in time and a real piece of like person and time.

And it's just like giving costume.

And it's giving like I can see craft services over there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And everybody is just like pretending to be someone else.

I'm like, why am I watching recipe like free source?

I feel too aware of what I'm watching, which is why I actually prefer reality TV.

Same.

Everyone's like, at least being like their own real person.

Yeah.

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Should we get into Love Island?

Let's get into Love Island.

We've waited long enough.

Last night, Casa Moore kicked off early in the episode, early in the season, it feels like.

Same.

When they announced that Monday night, I was like, whoa, I feel like we don't have any couples.

Right.

So, like, okay, let me go watch six single girls meet six single guys and five single guys.

Like, no one's coming between anyone.

The strongest couple that we have, I think, is Sierra and Nick.

And they've both remained open.

Even when she tried to take it to the next level, he was like, screw.

No.

Do you think he said that because he knew Casa Moore was around the corner and he was like, I don't want to be like cheating.

Like, I'm going to say.

I think that he wanted to be able to see things through with Andreen.

I think he he was like really attracted to her.

And like, maybe if that petered out and didn't happen, and Sierra and him were still strong, like, then that was the time.

But, like, he hadn't gotten to like know that many people.

So, I feel like he got, and this girl is like so dreamy.

So, he's like, No, no, no, no, we'll stay open a couple more days.

But I do think if, like, eventually, they probably wouldn't have worked.

I don't even think they would like be compatible or like each other.

And, like, then he would probably just look at her as a friend.

It's like, well, Sierra's been here.

Do you feel like that's why they said Jeremiah home?

1000%.

That vote, like, I was irate and even watching last night like it took me i paused all like usually i watch it i'm locked in i got my popcorn the little pirates booty that i steal from the kids

last night like i paused every five minutes like it was making me sick to watch these people like defend like explain why they voted the way that they voted moronic to the nth degree no no and the way that during it went or I guess right after when Nick was like listen dude like you just have to he was talking to Pepe he's like now that that like Jeremiah and Hannah are gone, like now you can really, you know, explore.

It's like, no, you were so jealous of this man.

You, like, I don't know who elected Ace as the town mayor, but like he needs to be fired immediately.

He, I think the whole time he was interested in Huda.

And I think he was pissed that Jeremiah got her first.

Did he say anything to that effect?

Like when they did the opening kissing?

No, but he kissed her on that next blindfold thing when it was like you can get up and kiss however many he like went and kissed Shelly and Huda.

Oh, interesting.

Interesting.

And then whenever he like, okay, he broke up with Huda, ended with Huda, now he's with Adrina.

And they were like, he can't just like keep doing this.

And it's like, this doing what?

Seeking out connections.

Sorry.

This is actually what you're supposed to do.

This is exactly what you're supposed to do.

We just thought he's going to do the same thing with Huda.

No, Indrina's a different person.

Like, it will shake out differently.

Even then, when they were like Tepe, well, like, now you can explore.

It's like, that's what he was doing with Hannah.

They couldn't even justify their decisions.

I don't know on the one hand jeremiah being sent home made me angrier than the fact that hannah went home because of what she did to my charlie yeah yeah but watching the girls try to explain why they sent hannah home they literally couldn't and in my head the way i see it happening is that huda convinced them to send her home so that she could move in on pepe because that was the only other person that she was semi-interested in i think she was able to like manipulate the leaders of the girls which are Alandria and Shelly.

Yes.

And I feel like Alandria like is always the voice of reason.

I like her so much.

But in that moment, I was like, Alandria should have stepped up and been like, of course, Amaya is going home.

And I think that the boys were so shocked that the girls fumbled the ball so badly.

So I feel like the girls had an easier decision to make.

And they made the wrong one.

I feel like for the boys, it's not like they had issues with Hannah, but they had issues.

Nobody liked Jeremiah.

The only, his best friend is Austin, who's also in the bottom three.

Austin poses a threat to no one.

Like the way that they voted was just like very obviously dumb.

Yeah.

And, but I feel like the girls like really couldn't explain why they voted the way that they did.

I feel like also, because Sierra and Nick had that conversation before where he was like, she was like, I want to, and he was like, let's still be open.

And so I feel like maybe she was also on like the Pepe train of like, oh, well, if he wants to be open, like, I need to have someone.

Oh, so, like, let's get Hannah out.

I feel like Sierra,

I feel like she's like very like chill and like free-spirited and like it's not like doesn't like weigh and have like or have like strong opinions about like other people like in the sense that she's just like a cool girl and so i don't think she like contributed a lot to the vote that's just like not how it they didn't show us how it went down so i'm just like thinking do you think they didn't show us because last season it went so well i guess you don't know we didn't watch but like last season they had um the girls do the same thing and they voted out andrea who was with rob at the time and you know like Leah and Rob had their whole love thing and then they ended up breaking up and he was with Andrea and then she went like Andrea got sent home, and Rob was like, What the fuck?

Like, we had a connection.

Why would you send her home?

And Leo was like, Listen, I took a backseat, like, to that decision.

Like, I don't know, like, I really wasn't involved.

And then that started this whole fight because the other girls were like, You didn't take a fucking backseat.

Like, what do you mean?

You didn't take a backseat.

Like, you were, you were definitely telling us, like, who we should.

So, it started this like whole uproar in the villa.

I would like to see that.

I know, we need to see the uproar.

We need to see the footage.

So, then I think Sierra is now so pissed that the boy sent home Jeremiah because Jeremiah was keeping Andrena at bay.

Because if Jeremiah and Andreen are together, then Nick is all hers.

But now, then, all of this is a point with Casa more because, shockingly, even though I don't think it's we're ready for Casa and there's no couples, so like this isn't titillating.

Um, I love the Casa boys,

I think they're so cute.

They're so like the Casa boys, too.

They're like, they all seem like more handsome and more tall and way more tall, more like employed

than the OG boys.

Yeah, so like,

let's have a new show.

If I I hear one more like I'm a model like I'm out, you know?

Yeah, like that's why I love Jalen so much is because he was a truck driver.

He was a truck driver.

He was a truck driver, 18-wheeler.

And he's from Alabama.

And we love him for that.

How was him on Vile Files?

I wasn't there, Nick, because I came here.

Sorry.

Love that.

Coast greater than Jalen by Center.

Literally, by Spencer.

And, but Nick said he's so sweet.

And he was just like, he's exactly what you want.

Okay, good.

Yeah.

And he's now like, I mean, he has over a million followers.

Like, he's getting what he deserves.

deserves he is

he is i'm so like that's what you love to see he needs to be tripping with tart 1000 and he needs like a nice lady i feel like there are a lot of like women and men in the sphere who are like we could place them you know like a little bit of that

um

and we can add him to the mix now do you feel like a maya is like one of the austri sisters No, why?

Because she, um, gratitude, she just makes up words, but we make them up like we know they're wrong.

That's the difference.

So I'm yeah she's 100 like i'm out no honestly she yeah no she's like this is how you say gratitude it's gratitude she sounds like glenda from wicked like making shit up she does no she i love her really you don't like her i don't dis there's nothing to dislike she's obviously a very pure soul i don't enjoy watching her on my television i want her to go home because she's keeping other people from being there.

Like Hannah was better television, even though she wasn't like...

Really?

Yeah, Hannah and Pepe.

Like, they have, like, and I like Pepe.

So like, Pepe likes Hannah, and I like Charlie, but of course she did what she did.

But listen, Hannah's gonna Hannah.

And she literally came on the show and said, I want multiple partners.

Okay.

She did.

She literally fit in her hand.

She was never shy.

Like, she was literally feeling it with Charlie.

And then that day was like, but I just feel like being with other people.

Like,

like, I can't knock her.

She's like, no, I'm so horny.

For who knows?

Seriously.

And one is not enough.

Yeah.

So she told us who she was, believe her.

And I think Pepe's a really like good, smart, sober guy.

And if he was like really into her, that I think that speaks well of her as well.

I think Amaya's excellent television.

Just pick up your mic.

I don't want to miss what you have to say about Amaya and how you're going to insult me again.

No, no, you're good.

No, no, no.

I think,

no, I think Amaya is excellent television.

I think she is so funny.

I think when she, the stuff she says is, I want like it on repeat.

I want an album made of the stuff that Amaya says.

Her singing in the mirror to her being like, I'm a bad bitch and I don't deserve like the way that she just is, she is herself, and I love her.

And I think the men, honestly, are such trash for the way that they're treating her.

And she deserves like

someone really hot at Casa America, although I don't know why they're not in there.

I know.

Well, actually, she would have agreed with Jalen.

She would have two pure souls.

Truly, he would have been so patient with her.

If they weren't so fucking dumb to go him home, no, that was so fucked up.

That was so

ill.

I hate these people.

And so now we have like new new Casa guys,

new regular house girls.

What do you think of the girls?

A couple of them are like, they're striking.

Yeah.

I like the conversation.

Taylor seems really into Coco.

Like, and I liked their conversation.

I felt a little bit of chemistry from him, which we have not felt yet, even though he's got the best girl in the villa.

Like, they make me so mad because he's so not worthy.

But now we see how he's like when he likes someone in a more romantic way.

So I feel like it's time for taylor and alandre to break up and i just feel bad for alandrea because she's obviously very picky in a good way like she's not just gonna go for a million guys or like force something or act desperately to like be on the show and she like likes taylor i can't understand that i don't know from what i've seen he's very goofy um i just hope that like i hope that taylor and coco like are locked in and i hope that alandre can really fall for one of the new guys because they really like her the guy that she's with like likes her

i mean he did choose her in the backup the The Zach Kay.

They're all Zach, by the way.

So if I call one of them, Zach, I'm probably right.

But it was the model from New Zealand.

Right?

They both love family.

They're both covered in tats.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They both love their family.

I think that's Zach Kay.

Oh, I think maybe he is a Zach.

Yeah, because I think Alandria and Amaya didn't get picked.

And then he was like, I picked Alandria because of what she said.

She's so sophisticated.

Yeah.

But no, but then in their conversation, like, okay, maybe at first didn't start off the way you want.

But in their conversation, it felt like they were vibing.

And she was like, I didn't really want to feel this, anything, but like, it was good.

Yeah.

Shelly said the same thing.

Shelly and Ace.

No, Shelly and Ace are the worst.

They think they're winning the show.

Someone needs to let them know that they're not.

No, I feel like they're scamming us.

Yeah.

I feel like they're scamming us.

They believe that they like were dating before the show.

I mean, there's that video of Ace being like, happy Valentine's, Shelly.

Like, you don't say that to someone you bumped into at a coffee shop.

You know, like you say that to someone you have rapport with.

And I think they are scamming the show.

Like, if it's up to me ace will never see that money yeah you know no if it's up to me no one that i've met on love island so far will be winning that money the last person who comes in the house who i hate the least i'm voting for yeah yeah i feel like uh nick and jaden i i think that is good oh yeah they're cute but like i like nick and sierra like what's what about that is not enough for him you know it's that's so true i have no idea i think beldasha told us that he told her that he was in an open relationship before or like had multiple girlfriends girlfriends at once.

And so she was like feeling right at home being at Love Island.

So I think maybe that has something to do with it of like, oh, I don't want to close off to one girl because like I'm into dating multiple.

Got it.

Okay, that was.

I don't.

I'll take that with a grain of salt.

Yeah, take it with a grain of salt.

Because Tyler Cameron came here and said that he went on a double date weekend with

Nick and like two girls who Orlando.

They were both dating.

They were both dating.

She was like, I actually don't know why I was there.

They were both making out with Nick.

Tyler was dating a a girl and Nick was dating a girl.

I guess the girls knew each other and they all went on a double date weekend to Orlando.

And he never said anything about there being another girl.

And he said that like Nick's the only person that he kept in touch with from that weekend and that he's a good dude.

I do think he is a good dude.

I think he's sweet.

He's a nurse.

You know, he's a hero.

He's not all heroes wear capes.

I think he's a hero.

And the way that he was like, oh, you're Dextron is like so sexy.

Yeah.

And he's like, I can't be like, I can change that for you.

That is cute.

So sweet.

But it's only cute if Sierra.

Oh, Sierra's with

Alan.

Yeah, which honestly is like the

nick of Casa.

I like them too.

I actually, I'll be great if everybody recouples meaningfully, except I kind of like liked Iris and TJ.

I thought they were.

No, I did too.

But TJ's response to every kiss.

Like you thought that was the other woman.

Like, which one were you voting Iris?

The two, you know, like, if they all thought these were just like the actual girls, right?

Then why are you voting them so low?

I don't know, but I also think some of the girls like were most of them like weren't interested in TJ and so they didn't give him the best kisses.

Yeah.

You know, whereas Iris like would have given him a better kiss.

It is so weird.

I know we have to just accept this as a fact, but it is so weird to me that you can stand up there blindfolded and now kiss and have to like make out with and dry hump and grab ass of five strangers that you've never met before.

And I know when you go on the show, they're like, are you down to hook up with strangers that you've never seen before?

You don't know like what their history is or anything.

And you have to be okay with that, or else you can't come on our show.

And they all agree to it, but it's twisted.

No, the blindfolds is so fucked up.

Like, you first of all, like, you're startling me.

Now my nervous system needs to come down before you try to kiss me.

You know, like, I'm not ready for a kiss right now.

Like, my blood pressure is high.

I'm not, I'm feeling nervous.

Like, you have to wait a second.

And the way that they just immediately, and then you have to, like, now you're getting raided.

You know, it's like, well, how I wasn't prepared, you know, like I wasn't, and you're choosing who you want to be coupled up with based off that kiss.

No, as if like the kiss means anything, but anything.

I remember, did you ever watch that movie, Sierra Burgess is a loser?

No.

It was like, um, just like one of those teen movies on Netflix, and like the girl is like catfishing the guy with this other girl's picture.

So like she finally gets in touch with the other girl.

She's like, please, can you like go out with him for me?

And then like when it's time to kiss, she puts a blindfold on him and then Sierra kisses him, like the loser girl, not the girl that was catfishing.

And like it was really twisted, though.

Like he thought he was kissing this one girl and instead he's kissing another girl.

And I feel like at the time people were like, hmm, that's like kind of weird and like a little morally bankrupt.

and now we're like all watching it on love island probably cheering it on yeah yeah but like i know that all these people have consented to all of this they have and i honestly do think like the the milk challenge was far worse you know the milk challenge i will not be the same like small things about this show first it was charlie then it was jalen then it was the milk challenge and then it was jeremiah It's chipping away at my ability to watch the show.

It's getting bad.

It's getting really bad.

The milk challenge was something that I

like: the hot, hot milk.

Milk is only good if it's served ice cold, and it's only good if it's in a bowl of cereal.

And it's not as good when it comes from someone else's mouth.

Someone else's mouth, and now it's hot, and it's been sitting in an udder for hell.

Oh, my God.

And then, no, no, it's not like quality milk.

It's not quality milk.

Grass-fed.

It's probably not like almond or oat either.

So, like, I hope everyone's stomach feels okay.

I could seriously.

That was actually disgusting.

Do you think that Jalen got sent home because Taylor and Alandria wanted to get rid of?

I actually don't think so.

I know people said that, but I think when Alandria made her choice and was very clear about it, she wasn't even like, she was like, I like Taylor a little more, but I look forward to exploring with Jalen.

She was like, no, it's, she literally came back from her date with Jalen and kissed Taylor on the lips, which they never do.

So I think if Taylor were still feeling threatened by him, like he would be a fool to feel that way.

And I don't think that, I think their chapter was closed with that locked door.

And like then he could have went and explored a Maya.

I can't tell you, like, there, there are so many things that are embarrassing, but pulling on and open, a locked door.

And of course, it only happened to one person, and it was Jalen.

In front of everyone, national television.

That is so fucked up.

That is so fucked up.

I'm sick.

And the way that she's like, and you're standing in front of Olandria's door and like Alandria's standing back there knowing that it's locked.

Like that is so fucked up in so many ways.

Yeah.

I hated that.

I hated like he did not deserve that.

And the the fact that we haven't had a normal recoupling, we're just like, guy chooses girl that he likes or girl chooses.

We haven't had one except for Bell's.

Yeah.

Dash.

True.

Is really annoying.

What is this show?

It's not Love Island.

And now they're coupling up in Casa, which is like not what you're supposed to do.

Everyone's coming back to the main house, which I don't dislike because we have good Casa guys.

True.

And also the girls like deserve.

I want every OG off my show.

Like all of the OGs, they have run out their time on the show.

The boys and the girls, the good ones are gone, and the ones who were once good are now compromised by their inability to vote.

So true.

And to understand the will of the American people.

So true.

When they kept saying America, I'm like, don't speak for me.

Don't speak.

I think you ever voted in one of the polls.

Yes.

You do?

Yes.

Who'd you vote for for two?

Who are your two favorite guy and girl?

Oh, it was Nick and Sierra.

Cute.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm sure you've seen like people shipping Nicolandria.

No, I haven't, but honestly.

You haven't seen the

take like these minor moments of like when he like looks at her.

It's actually so funny.

And wait, I want to show you one.

Then, when they had Nick read Alandria's name of like who was being saved from the popular vote,

they had Nick read out the card, the text that said Elandria.

And like, I know that they did, I think they're combing Twitter.

They are doing whatever the people want.

And I think that they did that so that people could include that in their edits because he like smiles.

Of course, he fucking smiles.

It's actually so funny.

Here, here's one.

This show is so unserious.

People are not okay.

They're not okay.

What is going on?

I am, I have to say, I'm very glad that Shelly got the tallest man in Casa.

But I feel like she's taking it for granted.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't think she's really into anyone anywhere on this island.

Did you notice that no one wanted to kiss Chris?

Who is Chris?

He came in with JD.

Who is he coupled up with at the moment?

How do you know Chris and JD?

Actually, do you remember JD?

He was like really smiley and he's a football player.

He said, coach said this.

JD is the one, the tall one who's with Shelly, I think.

No,

the basketball player who was playing in Europe.

Isn't his name JD?

No, he's Chris.

Okay.

So then maybe it's JD.

Oh, nobody wanted to kiss JD.

Guy.

He had like the smallest little gap between his front two teeth.

Oh.

And no one pulled him to kiss in the little like game they were playing.

That's weird.

And now who is he coupled up with?

Huda.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, this is Huda's time to shine, even though she's coupled up with someone that she didn't want to kiss.

Do you think she'll shine?

Do you love Huda?

No.

Okay.

No, and I think that her contribution to the island has run out.

Like, I understand she really saved the season because up until Hurricane Huda, like, the show was so bad.

And, like, I was like actually feeling like angry watching every night.

But then, like, with a couple of the recouplings, people are like, oh my God, like, that was crazy.

And then Iris and Jeremiah are together and Huda spiraling.

And it was like good television.

And I think that the producers don't want to let that go.

She was obviously not voted highly by America in terms of popularity.

Right.

But they weren't going to put her in the bottom three because the girls would have sent her home after three times of saving her.

So like, I think they are manipulating things to keep her around because they think that the show needs her.

But I think that her contribution has ended.

Yeah.

And the only thing worse than watching her spiral and crash out is watching her like try and be nice and flirt and whisper and be sweet.

Like, oh my, and the flirting is so

watched.

Watching her try and flirt with TJ, who was not falling for it, was awful.

Really awful.

Watching TJ and Vanna flirt was even worse.

Oh, yeah.

I thought she was into him.

Maybe they were into it.

I don't know.

But just watching the way that they were choosing to flirt with each other was a hard watch for me.

It was so cringy.

Yeah, but those girls, like, they need to play every hand.

You know, they're in a tough spot.

Yeah.

They're like, we have three days, ladies.

You better get on it.

Yeah, like, we're going to go down.

Even if, like, TJ, if nobody likes him, like, well, we might need TJ.

No, we need to stay here.

We just, we work too hard to go home now.

That's so true.

I feel like that's why some of the women last season were like really, like, they were, like, they were doing their big one.

Like, I think some of them were getting close to having sex because they were like, we've got to like lay it on them.

Yeah, well, there's been some sex now.

A lot of sex.

Yeah.

I think this is the most sex that I've personally seen in the villa.

I also think as the seasons go on, it's getting like raunchier and more rated R because now it's on Peacock.

Like it used to be on cable and it was really PG to the point of being boring.

And now it's all ass and titties

and making out and bondage and like the challenges are getting everything is just up the ante.

but i do think like the uk love island is more like that yeah apparently like the first couple seasons of love island uk there it's like sex tea and cigarettes literally yeah that's what i've heard do you watch molly and tommy fury no i know them of course but i don't watch you should have her on the show really yeah how is she i'm obsessed with her

she's like my number one together they're back together

she's my number one influencer i literally every time she does a drop of her clothing line

that you love i don't like, it's, well, definitely, like, the fact that she's a mom, like, and like, she just, it seems like, just so loving, but there's just something very calming about her presence.

It's not even like she's the biggest personality, but just everything she does just, like, looks very beautiful.

Like, she's got the, the eye and the look.

But I think also she has her clothing line now.

I love the way that she dresses like at like in this new mature era of her life.

And I just feel endlessly inspired by her as like a woman and a creator.

I have to say, like, the second, and I feel like this is maybe where me and Huda are different.

The second that I became a mom, I was was like oh you signed up for love island and i left my child for two months and her birthday's coming up no i know

she's turning five have we all noticed the tattoo with the birds she's turning five in 15 days is she gonna be home i hope so like for a million reasons no a million reasons i hope so as well but fiji is also like a really long flight and i feel like they keep them there for like after sun yeah and then also people are saying like so-and-so is going to come back into the villa like jeremiah is going to come back because apparently that happens before.

I guess.

I don't know.

Everything.

Everyone's saying that about like, oh, Bell Dasha's coming back.

Oh, Charlie's going to come back.

We don't need Bella back.

Like, I haven't missed her a day.

No, I have to go back.

I have not said things about Charlie, but I don't even need Charlie back for the plot.

Like, Hannah's gone.

It's over.

We need Jeremiah back.

And even Andrina was throwing herself at Brian.

She was.

She was throwing herself at him.

And he was, like, not acting worthy.

No.

And she had to go in for the kiss.

Yeah.

And it's crazy.

I feel like she got when she came in, like, there has never been as much excitement about the way a person looks as there was for her.

And like, everybody was ready to leave their lady for her.

And then two days later is Casa.

And like, the complete air has come out of her bubbles.

Now she goes into Casa more.

She has no girlfriends in the house.

You can see she's walking behind the girls every single time.

She like, I feel like all of the hype for her and her moment just like prematurely ended.

Her one connection.

Like.

Justice for her.

She got a raw deal.

Do you feel like she's like sad that she missed out on the twerking challenge with Megan the Stallion because her ass is so insane?

I'm sad.

Oh my God.

As am I.

That challenge was crazy, but actually genuinely entertaining.

I haven't laughed so hard.

I mean, the way that Austin and Nick and Taylor, Taylor's faces, what was happening?

I don't know.

Megan did an amazing job as a host.

Yeah, she did.

And like.

just goes to show like what a host can do for a show like for a challenge or a show.

I do I am curious as to where Ariana is when like they're when they have like the text come in or like Ian is saying it over, like, why?

What's happening?

Where is she?

By the way, love.

I don't know if that makes me old and boring, but the only joy I get from this show is Ian.

Do you like his jokes?

I laugh at some of them.

Some of them are like not my favorite, but then he's like, I have a hundred more of these.

Yeah, he does.

But like, literally, sometimes he's so funny.

Yeah, I do think he saves the show in so many ways.

And I feel like if when I was younger, I would have been like, oh, this guy's so annoying.

yeah but i feel like old and proud that i love ian you guys need to have ian on i think we that was the plan at some point so i would yeah i it would be really trippy to have his voice like sitting beside me oh for sure it'd be really that was also a big thing they brought in ian from uk whereas in the early seasons of love island us he was not the narrator and like the person was trying to do the same things ian did but it wasn't hitting like now it hits i think they brought in like games makers

yeah like i keep saying like philip seymore hoffman in hunger games Like they've done that because they really are turning the villa inside out for the sake of entertainment and I think they're overdoing it and compromising on the love that we are all here for.

Yeah, it's like Ace thinks that this is traitors or like survivor.

But they've made it that way.

Yeah.

I guess.

But it's also like,

I don't know.

I don't like the way I think Ace should go home.

I think Shelly should be with Mr.

Tall, basketball player.

Or go home.

I think her time is sort of run out.

Like she hasn't made them, like, she hasn't done much.

Um, and I like her.

Like, I don't have strong feelings about her one way or the other.

If you had to choose right now, who's winning?

Oh,

Nick and Sierra.

Um, but now that that would be before Casa.

Now, with Casa, Sierra and Alan.

Okay.

Like, sure.

Sure.

Do you think that they're all going to crack?

Exactly.

Casa?

Iris and TJ.

Yes, Iris and TJ.

I think they don't even, there's not even a crack to have.

No one likes each other except for Sierra liking Nick.

That's the only real, like the strongest

feeling.

She's so emotionally stable that like movie night isn't even going to be that fun because she's going to be like.

Oh, everyone's saying they're keeping Huda around for movie night.

Like

she just, she's no one to freak out over.

Yeah, no, apparently because she talks shit about the girls and the girls will hear it.

That's what I think they're saying.

Yeah, like calling everyone a bitch.

Fuck this bitch.

Oh, yeah, when all the when like Amaya came in she was like she's a mess I can tell she's messy as fuck I hate her I don't even think that's gonna be so crazy because like that was the energy she was giving off like it wasn't a like she wasn't hiding it to, like, Amaya when she came in that she didn't like her for going after Jeremiah.

Same for Iris.

Like, I think she'll be able to smooth it over.

I don't think it's going to be like the big moment people think it will be.

I don't either.

I think it's going to honestly suck.

Yeah.

So, like, yeah, I'm honestly, I'm getting mad now.

I was really feeling disgusted last night.

Now I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm buoyed by Casa.

I think the Casa guys are good.

Are these girls even worthy at this point after like what they did to Hannah, Charlie, Jeremiah, and Jaden?

No, honestly, they're not.

Jalen.

Jaylen.

No.

Jalen.

Jalen.

Is Jayden the new girl?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, Jayden is a new girl.

Cute.

Jalen

is our boy.

Our boy.

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This was everything I could have dreamed of.

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