The Story Of Us: Friday, December 12th, 2025

Speaker 0 Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

Speaker 0 It's Jackson Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know.

Speaker 1 We'll start your day off swirly.

Speaker 3 It's the toast.

Speaker 4 I sound amazing.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the toast and happy Friday that really feels like a Friday because we're fucking celebrating, bitch.

Speaker 1 If you're watching this, you already know my guest co-host for today is the girl, the woman, the mother, the sister, the friend. It's Jacqueline Foley.
Hello, Jacqueline Foley.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the toast.

Speaker 6 Hey, how y'all doing?

Speaker 1 Oh, girl, we are so ready for you to be back.

Speaker 6 I'm so excited to be back. Today is a momentous occasion, and it's the Friday is Friday that ever Fridayed because it's the final day of the week.
It's the final show of the year. And we're

Speaker 1 wrapping everything up with a bow.

Speaker 1 That we are. We've had such an amazing show today.
Jax is back. You know, I kind of overbooked, overextended myself this maternity leave season that I had an extra interview.

Speaker 1 I had an extra guest that I'm putting in today's episode. I sat down with Jenny McCarthy.
We had a nice little conversation

Speaker 1 at the end of today's episode. She's talking all things.
You know, she has my dream job. She's a singer on a, she's a judge on a singing competition, my lifelong dream.

Speaker 1 She's so cool, like, she'll talk about anything. You know, some people are weird, like, they don't want to talk about the thing or whatever.
She did not give a single note. She was like,

Speaker 1 no, like, some people have like the thing that made them famous they don't want to talk about. Some people have, like, oh, well, I don't want to talk about this scandal.
Like, Jenny don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 Like, she'll talk about anything.

Speaker 6 She doesn't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 It was a fab convo. That's just like randomly at the end of today's episode, but I think you guys are going to love that.
Jax is back at the end of the day.

Speaker 7 Jackson's.

Speaker 1 No, it's Jackson Turdy.

Speaker 1 Turdy and Jacks. You guys.

Speaker 6 Not only is it Jackson Turdy, Turdy, and Jacks, but my son.

Speaker 1 It's Max and Ruby.

Speaker 6 It's Max and Ruby. And everybody was telling us that, like, as if we didn't know that.

Speaker 1 As if we didn't do it on purpose

Speaker 6 when we named him. But yes, like Max and Ruby, my son, my third son.
If you aren't a patron, I've had a third son, and his name is Max.

Speaker 6 If this is your first time hearing from me in a few weeks,

Speaker 6 my son's name is Max, and we've got Max and Ruby.

Speaker 6 Ruby and Max.

Speaker 1 And if you aren't a patron, then you did miss Jackie was all over the Patreon this month.

Speaker 1 If you didn't see us recapping, not recapping, yeah, recapping Dancing with the Stars, Seeker Lives and Mormon Wives, like all the things that were like sort of coming to an end as Jackie was starting her leave.

Speaker 1 We covered it all. So if you're looking for Jackson Turdy's opinions on Dancing with the Stars finale, Seeker Lives and Mormon Wives, a new season, the reunion, it's all on the Patreon.

Speaker 1 Today's episode is going to be a regular episode. I've got five stories.
They stink, but like, who cares? Last together.

Speaker 6 Classic stories. And honestly, the story is us.
The reunification.

Speaker 1 I used to think one day would tell the story of us, how we met in the spot. Let me just say this.
You could not have come back a minute too soon.

Speaker 6 Why? What was about to happen?

Speaker 1 Nothing was about to happen, but like, let me just say, I'm really glad you're back for a multitude of reasons. Like, you're my sister, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 The way if I never have to interact with another publicist ever again, and one day I will tell my truth of all that, like everyone

Speaker 1 everyone with a nightmare. Let me tell you, like, people are insane working with talent.
Like, I'm so glad we are not an interview-based show. Like, it's awful.

Speaker 1 Everyone thinks that they're so special and important. I can't even get into it, you guys.
And it's not the people you would think. It's they're the stars, right? Like,

Speaker 1 oh my God, you guys, one day I will tell my truth on patreon.com slash chatose. But until then, thanks to everybody who stopped by.
Free idea,

Speaker 6 another memoir called co-journer's truth

Speaker 6 yes i'll just leave that there think about it okay and is there any what else about just the title well and that's where you share your truth because of you couldn't share it to bed and do you know what my truth is what's your truth today

Speaker 1 Every time I pick up the phone, Jackie and I, we FaceTime, like everywhere, we're not on like the same feeding schedule, but we're getting there.

Speaker 1 So we're always like both in our chairs.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 shout out Oleo, I think it's called, the best recliner. Jaggie picks up the phone and she says, hey, Co-Journer.
What's your truth? And you know what? I do always have like a truth to share with her.

Speaker 1 What's your truth today?

Speaker 1 My truth today, actually. Oh, by the way, this is a great segment.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 It'll be called Co-Journer's Truth. And it's like, you have to share a secret.

Speaker 8 Co-Journer's Corner.

Speaker 1 Coordinor's.

Speaker 6 Core Journer's Truth.

Speaker 1 But I do have a truth today. Okay.

Speaker 1 You don't know it because like you see me and I look so like glamorous and beautiful. But underneath all this, I'm covered in cabbage.
Like there's cabbage everywhere.

Speaker 6 I love that. For you, one, it means that like you've started your weaning journey, but the cabbage is so effective in absorbing the breast milk.
It absorbs rat up.

Speaker 1 It absorbs rat up.

Speaker 3 I love that.

Speaker 6 And no, it really will help if you're having like engorgement because like you're not feeding as much. Like it really brings down your supply.
And it's kind of a look, don't you think?

Speaker 6 Like fashion-wise?

Speaker 1 No. Like the cabbage bra.

Speaker 6 It's a look, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it's getting like very tropical. But it's not necessarily a look.
Everyone I spoke to was like, even Snookie, she was like, you have to do the cabbage, but it smells.

Speaker 1 Everybody's like, it smells, it smells. Let me tell you, I kind of like the smell.

Speaker 1 It can't be worse, seriously, than like when you have really bad like breast milk smell in your bra, like sweaty boobs, spoiled milk. Like I've dealt with worse.

Speaker 6 I did not find the the cabbage to smell. And if it does smell, it's a smell that I didn't mind.
And

Speaker 6 it's a snack.

Speaker 1 You've got a built-in snack.

Speaker 3 Is she going to eat cabbage?

Speaker 6 No. Okay.

Speaker 1 That was yucky. It's like rubbery.

Speaker 6 I was like, she'll do anything for the craft.

Speaker 1 So what's your truth? That's mine.

Speaker 6 My truth is that I'm very happy to be here. It's a very big milestone to be like back on the show on video, not just audio, which I could do in my sleep, but like getting ready.

Speaker 6 Plus, I had a dream of making a brisket today in the crock pot and that just couldn't happen after the toast today.

Speaker 6 So I got up extra early, which I was going to do anyway to give myself enough time to prepare for the show and like enough my feeding schedule. I don't pump.

Speaker 6 So like I'm every three hours need to be available.

Speaker 6 So I've had a very busy morning, feels like the afternoon. I have a brisket in the crock.
I've got two hours runway ahead of me until my next feeding. So I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 6 Talk about some stories. Talk about some of the things that I've seen on this show in the last few weeks.
Some of the things I've seen on other shows that I've been watching.

Speaker 1 What? Oh, you mean like TV shows or podcasts?

Speaker 6 TV shows, but there was a podcast that I was going, that's on my like, something that's like an interview that I need to watch.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think I know what it is. Is it

Speaker 1 Bethany on?

Speaker 6 No, I watch that.

Speaker 1 Oh, you watch Bethany on?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm a huge, like, I love Bethany. I'll literally watch anything.
And I love trying. Like, I've become a super fan since she's been on the toast.
So then I saw she was going on another podcast.

Speaker 1 On that podcast.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I watched it because I stan.

Speaker 1 No, I'm obsessed with her. You got me like hooked on Bethany.
And then also, I didn't even tell everyone this. When I came to Florida for Thanksgiving, me and Ben took a walk.
Who did I run into?

Speaker 1 The second I started my walk. Bethany on the beach.

Speaker 6 I love that. Be on the beach.

Speaker 1 She was being so Bethany on the beach.

Speaker 6 No, what was I going to watch? Like, I know in my brain, it's like bookmarked. Like, I have to be on my YouTube app where I watch.

Speaker 1 Were you going to watch Ina on Good Hang?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 1 Were you going to watch, I'm trying to think of like podcast interviews that made, oh, George Clooney on New Heights. No.

Speaker 6 Let me check my YouTube and see like what's in my queue.

Speaker 1 What's in your community?

Speaker 6 I did want to watch Allison Roman make meatballs. I've been enjoying her cooking content.
I've been liking cooking content. It was like inspiring me for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 6 And I've, she had a Thanksgiving special. There weren't a lot of Thanksgiving specials to be found, but I did enjoy that.
I know, I don't know what it is. Maybe it'll come to me during the stories.

Speaker 1 And let me tell you, the stories today are much more like a springboard, if you will, for Jackie and I to talk about things in which we care about.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not going to make a story from last week a story, but if it comes up, it comes up because I want to hear Jackie's taste.

Speaker 6 Something I want to insert my opinion into, something that's come up a lot on this show over the last few weeks at Main News was Charlie Pooth singing the national anthem. Okay.

Speaker 6 And I'm really excited. I think he's going to do a great job.
He's very vocally talented.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, set the man aside, even though I'm finding his educate, his videos have really found me at the right time where I have space and I'm holding space for him.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Maybe I'm just, you know.

Speaker 6 Feeling sensitive. So I'm just like feeling warm towards him.
But he's a great vocal talent and I think he'll do a great job at the Super Bowl. And I think we should all be excited.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unlike I Lyria, I do discriminate based on gender. So the fact that he's a man is kind of weird.
But if I am able to look past that, I agree. All you really need

Speaker 1 to do is sing good. And he does.

Speaker 6 Like, just shut up and sing. That's his skill.
Yeah. And if it makes you feel better, I feel like his voice is kind of girly.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's been a long day.

Speaker 1 So girly.

Speaker 6 So that's something.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 There was one other thing I wanted to get your opinion on.

Speaker 6 Jenna Bush Hager finally made a choice. They have elected a new co-host.

Speaker 1 They've elected a new host.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 it's Chanel.

Speaker 5 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 6 And I watched the segment of her getting elected and selected. And all I can say is, duh.
Like, I don't watch the show.

Speaker 6 so I didn't know who was in the running but for people who watch the show every day, how did you not guess this? It seems so obvious. She's like been in the rankings at NBC.
Like she works the job.

Speaker 6 She did the, you know, the meteorologist stuff. She worked her way up.
She's friends with Jenna.

Speaker 6 She's like a woman of a certain age. Like that's the host.
I don't know why we thought we were going to get someone like a teenager.

Speaker 1 Young and new and fresh.

Speaker 6 No, like the job is like two women, states women

Speaker 6 sharing their morning with you. It's like they're not trying to reinvent the wheel.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And the thing is, is that it's very clear that it was always Chanel Jones.

Speaker 1 Her, she took time off like a sabbatical because her husband had brain cancer and I think they knew he was going to pass away. And so she took time off to be with him and then grieve.

Speaker 1 So this whole Jenna and Friends thing was just like a time by for Chanel.

Speaker 6 Oh, I did. But they realized that that was the timing of it and they were just buying time for Chanel.

Speaker 6 Okay, so like viewers of this show, how did you not know that that this is who it was going to be?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do think the only issue I have is that they weren't clear with, I think, a lot of the people that, you know, Justin, Matt Rogers, like people, I think a lot of people thought that this job like could be theirs when from day one, it was never going to be.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was just like a fun thing they were doing, not an actual hiring process.

Speaker 1 Correct. It wasn't an audition.
And Justin Sylvester posted, in my opinion, like the best possible rebuttal because really it was him or Matt Rogers that everyone was guessing and rooting for.

Speaker 1 And he did not get the job and he posted on his Instagram that scene from Devil Wears Prada where Miranda Priestley chooses

Speaker 1 Jacqueline Follett over Stanley Tucci. And he says, she'll pay me back in time.
She will.

Speaker 1 She doesn't.

Speaker 13 Does she? Right.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll see the sequels coming out.

Speaker 11 True.

Speaker 1 Yeah. True.
So that was the news I really wanted to get your take on.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think it makes so much sense. And you know what? I was worried that like the Jenin 1 friends would sort of muffle the excitement of like when they finally selected someone like Jeopardy.

Speaker 6 I don't even know they selected Ken Jennings, apparently. Like they just sort of fumbled the ball and like I like a hard choice.

Speaker 6 And I actually feel like they did well making the selection like as hypey as it could be. When I saw the post that morning, like we're revealing later today, I was like.

Speaker 6 uh surprisingly very excited about it. So it landed for me.
I think it's great. And like we need stability in the realm.

Speaker 6 We can only have so much gen and friends. Like we needed a choice.
Agreed. And I think this is a great choice, though very obvious.
So again, not my fault because I don't watch the show.

Speaker 6 Correct. But to the viewers, how'd you not guess?

Speaker 1 That's all I'll say. Correct.

Speaker 1 Any other stories that have just been like tickling you to give your two cents on?

Speaker 6 Not at the moment, but if it comes up.

Speaker 6 Oh, Glenn Powell and Michelle Randolph.

Speaker 1 Name a more iconic duo.

Speaker 6 Oh my God. Maybe the biggest ship in the port at the moment.

Speaker 1 And I don't know how we didn't even guess it because she's so landman and he's like so landmarks.

Speaker 6 You have to let the chips fall where they may. We could have never dreamed of it.
We could never,

Speaker 6 you know, man plans, God laughs.

Speaker 1 It's true. When we put, I think Glenn is like on our list.
We're always thinking about who we should date. We talk about it all the time.

Speaker 1 When I tell you, I literally never thought of Michelle Randolph, and now I could not imagine a world in which the two aren't together.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So, oh, and Braxton and Alex, Bralix.

Speaker 1 What do you make of Bralix?

Speaker 6 It makes me just, like, sad because he seemed like a solid couple that were very much in love. But I understand, you know, what, were they going to get married? She's very young.
So,

Speaker 6 I guess we'll have to part ways.

Speaker 9 But I'm not rude.

Speaker 6 I'm,

Speaker 6 I don't know. I haven't reached that spot yet.
Like, that stage of grief. Yeah.
And I'm not, like, cheering on the breakup where I'm like, she's free. Like, get after it.

Speaker 6 Like, I don't know why I felt I liked it. So I'm just, I'm in mourning.

Speaker 1 Wow. Okay.
Please respect your privacy at this time.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, we do have quite a show today. We've got the fast five.
We've got sort of like a year end at a glance

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Okay. All right, Folet, are you ready for our first story?

Speaker 6 I am.

Speaker 1 AI's person of the year.

Speaker 1 I'm cracking up. Not me spoiling it.
AI's person of the year.

Speaker 1 Time's person of the year. It's December.
Everybody's doing their lists.

Speaker 6 Making a list, checking it twice. Time person of the year.
I'm so glad I'm here to discuss because this is very important topic.

Speaker 1 It's not a person, it's a group being dubbed the architects of AI. Yeah.
So this year, AI stopped being all about the future and roared into the present.

Speaker 1 Time announced exclusively on the Today Show that it has recognized AI's seismic impact by naming the architects of AI as its 2025 person of the year.

Speaker 1 The recognition reflects how the technology seemingly became inescapable this year in just about every aspect of American life, from its impact on education to fears of mass industry disruption.

Speaker 1 The photo itself mimics that iconic photo of like six construction workers sitting on a crane building the Empire State Building in the middle of New York, like eating a sandwich.

Speaker 1 But instead of construction workers, it's a lot, some familiar faces, some people I hadn't known, immediately saw Mark Zuckerberg, Elon. There were a couple of girlies in there.

Speaker 6 Oh, I haven't looked hard at the picture. Of course, Sam Altman.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Sam Altman. So there's two girls.
One, two, three, four. And six men.

Speaker 1 So it's Mark Zuckerberg from Meta, Lisa Su from Advanced Micro Devices, Elon Musk from XAI, Jensen Wong from NVIDIA, Sam Altman from OpenAI, Dennis

Speaker 1 Hasabis from Deep Mind Technologies, Dario Amadei from Anthropic, and Fei Fei Lee from Stanford's Human-Centered AI Institute and World Labs.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 6 Okay, I feel like some of the people sitting there are extraneous, but

Speaker 1 I've heard of Meta. I've heard of Elon.
I've heard of OpenAI. I've heard of Nvidia.
Unfamiliar with deep mind technologies, but slay.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I just want to say, I think they mostly hit the nail on the head. Now, if it were me, I think I would have made my person of the year chat GPT specifically because one, I like a one-choice

Speaker 6 and abstract thing. And like everybody, when they talk about using AI for health, like they talk about chat.

Speaker 6 And I feel like chat had a big year, even though I know people use a lot of different AI platforms. I feel like...

Speaker 1 And I actually think chat is not even the biggest one.

Speaker 6 Right, but I just feel like colloquially, like it's chat. But

Speaker 1 you Google something and you could have been on Bing.

Speaker 6 Right. I understand they want to give like all of these big players their flowers.
And I think it's pretty well done

Speaker 6 overall, considering, you know, time sometimes gets it right, sometimes doesn't.

Speaker 1 And I will say the thing I like about time, and I think something they do well, is

Speaker 1 a lot of times it would be easier. Like AI is not popular, right? We could talk about the environmental impact and the cultural impact, and it's going to steal jobs.

Speaker 1 But you can't deny that this was the year of AI. So, they're not shy from choosing people who are polarizing or conversations that are polarizing.

Speaker 1 So, I appreciate that they didn't pretend like this isn't happening just because, like, it's unsavory. And it was the year of AI.
I actually, okay, so I mean, I use AI all the time.

Speaker 1 For me, this was the year of AI.

Speaker 6 I mean, I use AI to make my brisket today.

Speaker 1 Oh, so this is what you, this is what people are doing. Ask chat, um, what, because it's like end of year, what did you learn about me this year?

Speaker 1 And then also you ask chat, what was the craziest question I asked you this year?

Speaker 6 I honestly, on the one hand, I don't want to know. On the other hand, I feel like I haven't gotten that deep with chat yet.
It's all just like, how do I cook a salmon? Well done.

Speaker 1 Right. Chat told me like I'm an amazing, committed.

Speaker 6 deeply like caring mother okay which was really oh that's that's really funny what did you learn about me this year

Speaker 1 oh interesting i

Speaker 1 I can't share what my dumbest question was.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. Okay.

Speaker 6 You care deeply about home, how it looks, feels, and functions. You're a thoughtful, detail-oriented cook.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's all cooking.

Speaker 6 You like clear numbers and concrete answers.

Speaker 15 True, true.

Speaker 6 You're a very attentive dog owner.

Speaker 6 Because I'm always asking asking questions about Bruno. About Bruno's health.
I'm navigating early parenthood with intention.

Speaker 1 Slay.

Speaker 6 I'm highly visual and iterative. I like seeing mock-ups, examples, multiple versions.

Speaker 6 I mean, why not?

Speaker 6 I value nuance in context. I do believe that's true.

Speaker 6 Wait, the way I communicate, this is funny. They say, I'm direct, but polite, specific, and warm.

Speaker 6 You appreciate effort, but you also call out mismatches clearly.

Speaker 9 Okay. Beautiful.
That feels right.

Speaker 1 Do you want to go through previous Time People of the Year or we don't care?

Speaker 6 No, because I go listen to our last episodes for the last eight years. Who was on the short list? You know how they always give like a list of nominees?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm very curious who didn't get it.

Speaker 2 The year.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 16 That's true.

Speaker 1 See the shortlist. Oh, that was 2024.
Maybe they didn't do it this year.

Speaker 6 Ugh, I kind of like that feature i can't like think of the whole year at a glance um because i have like brain fog that's really annoying yeah they don't have it but it would be interesting to like think about who else could have gotten it

Speaker 1 well here's behind the scenes of times persons 2025 of the year do they all get together the big they have a couple of other um

Speaker 1 categories they have athlete of the year as

Speaker 1 oh it's so small i can't see hold on who's the athlete of the year and Entertainer of the Year.

Speaker 6 Who's your athlete of the year?

Speaker 1 Probably Jalen Brunson.

Speaker 9 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 6 For sure. Mine's CD Lamb.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 Okay. Entertainer of the Year is

Speaker 1 Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 6 Of course he is. He's so entertaining.
I think that's such a great choice.

Speaker 1 CEO of the Year is the YouTube CEO. Like, I'm zooming in on these pictures.
I'm sorry. I can't read their names.
Breakthrough of the year, OK-pop Demon Hunters.

Speaker 6 Oh, give them all the awards. And if that song doesn't win, the Golden Globe for best original song, even though I want Miley to win, I wouldn't be mad.
But that's on Golden.

Speaker 6 Like, I'm listening to it. And who am I? You know?

Speaker 1 And the Time Athlete of the Year,

Speaker 1 I believe, is a female basketball player because she's holding a basketball and she's a woman.

Speaker 1 I can't zoom in on her name. Her name is like Elih Wilson, I think.

Speaker 9 Cool, cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cool.

Speaker 1 Congratulations. Oh, yeah.
Here she is. Here she is.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 Aja Wilson. Excuse me.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 What'd she do? WNBA.

Speaker 16 She

Speaker 1 plays for the Las Vegas Aces, which is my favorite team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she won her third WNBA title in four years. She's definitely like big in the WNBA.

Speaker 1 I don't know if time knows that there are other leagues.

Speaker 6 Other sports leagues, you mean?

Speaker 1 She uses a pink Stanley Tumblr and a pink tambourine. So cute.

Speaker 1 I don't know enough about her, but I personally have not heard of her. That doesn't mean much, though.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 So, you know, they do like a couple, entertainer, athlete, breakthrough, CEO.

Speaker 6 Okay, so let's do ours.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Love this.

Speaker 6 Who's your entertainer of the year?

Speaker 1 Alex Earle.

Speaker 6 Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 Like, she entertained me in all formats.

Speaker 1 Like, she started the year with like drama with with her boss loved that then she had her relationship and then she had dancing with the stars and then her hot mess rebrand like sorry i was thoroughly entertained that's really a good one yeah she's crushing it in all cylinders my entertainer of the year

Speaker 6 or imogen heap probably rascal flats for me like they came out with

Speaker 6 refuel duets they came back together which is what i needed like for healing and peace um

Speaker 6 rascal Fots.

Speaker 3 Give it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're CEO of the year?

Speaker 13 Us.

Speaker 1 Obviously. But there's not a category for CEO.

Speaker 9 Oh, rats.

Speaker 6 Let me think of CEOs of the year.

Speaker 1 You know who was like, I'm always hearing about him?

Speaker 6 As a CEO.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Who?

Speaker 1 I feel like we used to talk about Bob Iger all the time, and now I feel like I'm always talking about Ted Sarandos, the CEO of Netflix.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I guess. He's not my CEO of the year, though.

Speaker 1 Not by a mile. My CEO.
Yeah, not by a mile. I would say it's probably Ben Soffer and Celebrity, CEO of Spritz Society.

Speaker 6 That's really beautiful.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 6 What's the next one?

Speaker 1 Entertain. Oh, no.
I did an athlete.

Speaker 3 CD lamb.

Speaker 1 Of course, Jalen Brunson. And then breakthrough, like somebody who broke through, a new artist.
Like,

Speaker 6 I feel like I have one. Like, I feel like someone knew who I followed or something.
Let me look. I feel like I've been keeping up with new peeps, you know?

Speaker 1 It's like so hard for me to take a look at a year.

Speaker 6 Like, I know.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think my entertainers of the year is us.

Speaker 6 I think my breakthrough of the year is the Nader sisters.

Speaker 1 Love that.

Speaker 6 They broke through this year.

Speaker 1 I do think the entertainer of my year was the toast.

Speaker 1 The athlete of my year was Jackie and Claudia. The CEO of my year was Jackie and Claudia.
And And the breakthrough, like, we had an amazing year.

Speaker 6 We definitely broke through.

Speaker 1 1,000%. No, my CEO of the year is Michael Bostic.

Speaker 1 All right, are you ready for our next story? What should they do next? Oh, you know, I'll choose this one because I know you're obsessed with this story.

Speaker 1 Like, Chloe Kardashian is shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher. Yeah.

Speaker 6 No, I'm obsessed.

Speaker 1 So, Chloe Kardashian is currently going viral for shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher named Jacob Myers Norris in a flirty exchange on Instagram. So last week, Myers

Speaker 1 Norris posted a video on Instagram sharing various facts about himself, including that he likes to cook, he has Italian roots, he used to be a college athlete, he has a bachelor's and master's degree, and he captioned the post saying, somewhere out there is a woman who's going to ask me how my school day was, like being a victim.

Speaker 1 And then the good American and co-founder, Chloe Kardashian, took to the comment section writing, how was your day? Asked and answered.

Speaker 1 Myers Norris replied to the reality circuit, commenting, mine is great now. How is yours? Kardashian kept the conversation going, responding, mine is great too.

Speaker 1 Fans were overjoyed to see the interaction between Kardashian and Norris Meyer, Myers Norris. Like, why can't they just say John or whatever the fuck his name is?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who told the reality star to check her DMs following the flirty conversation?

Speaker 1 Shoot your shot, Miss Chloe. One user wrote, Yes, got a girl.
Someone commented. The internet's hyping these two up.

Speaker 1 And like, It's nice to see famous people doing like what you would do if you were famous. Like, not enough people do this.

Speaker 1 Like, when you are a woman of like a certain celebrity, like, you can just have whatever you want.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Have it.
Then he also also posted a video like replying to her comment that said, how was your day? And was like, everyone in my life is freaking out about this.

Speaker 6 Like they are so mad if I don't reach out. So I'm putting it here.
Like I'm on winter break these dates.

Speaker 9 I can come to LA.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And so here's where I stand.
Like I'm so obsessed with this. It's so pure.
It's so beautiful. And they have to meet.
Now. I don't think this is the great love of her life.

Speaker 6 Even the way he was just like being in his video, I'm like, I don't know that he's the man for her.

Speaker 1 Oh, you hate him.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 6 No, no, no, I don't, but I did like go to his profile. Did you go to his profile?

Speaker 1 I didn't. Don't.

Speaker 6 It was just like a lot. It was a lot of content like for a man and a teacher.

Speaker 1 Oh, yucky. Well, I just know like while we're all hyping this up and it's so fun, like they're going to meet for a storyline on the next season.

Speaker 7 That's exactly like silly.

Speaker 6 That's what I want. That's how this ends well.
Like they should go on a date for the show because I don't think that they are each other's true loves.

Speaker 6 But I'm also glad to see that Chloe is looking in the pool of regulars because that's what we've been saying.

Speaker 6 She just needs like a regular good guy, and he's definitely a good guy, but I just feel like I, oh, the little that I know about him, like, they're not a personality match, but we need to see this thing through.

Speaker 6 And we're all need to go on the journey, so it needs to be on the show, and they need shit for the show. It's perfect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I do think

Speaker 1 she definitely needs to date someone out of her realm and like a little bit more regular. I do fear that like a random teacher is a little too regular

Speaker 1 i think she needs somebody who's like not famous but like is not he's like in an adjacent industry like this is far too random when i say chloe needs to date someone like random and not famous i didn't mean this no and i mean a certain kind of teacher but like

Speaker 6 he just what kind of teacher like I don't know, a teacher from like one of your books, like that's like rough and tumble.

Speaker 1 I understand a teacher from one of my books, yeah.

Speaker 6 But this guy seems like really earnest.

Speaker 6 yeah and i just don't know that it's gonna be a match but i do think she could date some regular i think she could date like a police officer

Speaker 1 lana gel ray coated very miranda

Speaker 16 lambert what's miranda lambert

Speaker 2 wait i'm having a stroke it's lambert it is yeah

Speaker 11 wait

Speaker 6 miranda lambert you're thinking about it too hard like

Speaker 6 You just like zoom out, Miranda Lambert.

Speaker 4 Miranda?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Thank you.
Miranda Lambert.

Speaker 8 Not a Lambert.

Speaker 6 I know you have like a Lambert in your class growing up.

Speaker 3 And you're like,

Speaker 1 I'm just like, I know Lambert sounds like a collection of sounds, like Lambert.

Speaker 6 A police officer, a firefighter.

Speaker 1 A crocodile hunter, like Lana Del Rey.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So I'm not, I think she could still go regular, but like, I don't think it's this guy, but I think she's going down a good path.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and this is just how she should be using her celebrity. Like,

Speaker 1 love it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Love it.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I keep forgetting that I'm the one doing the stories.
I'm like, girl, move on.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 7 why are we still talking about this?

Speaker 1 No, I'm like, it's a good story, but like, okay.

Speaker 8 We'll somewhat change the subject.

Speaker 1 My bad. My bad.
Okay. Oh, we have been talking extensively about the sale of Warner Brothers and HBO Max and the hostile takeover.

Speaker 1 And now Paramount might raise their bid for Warner Brothers by 10% after now going hostile. So Paramount Skydance, which is like the parent company of CBS, Viacom, is it Viacom?

Speaker 1 Yeah, MTV, like all of them,

Speaker 1 is raising its offer for Warner Brothers Discovery by as much as 10% as it plots its sex move to break up a merger agreement with Netflix.

Speaker 1 David and Larry Ellison, who created, oh, I didn't realize it was a father-son duo or husband and husband.

Speaker 3 No, it's brothers.

Speaker 15 Oh, right.

Speaker 1 They created Paramount Skydance with a media merger over the summer, are now poised to bump their all-cash $30 a share offer to as much as $33 a share.

Speaker 1 So that's $3 more per share, according to a source close to the situation. The raised offer, which amounts to now nearly $86 billion,

Speaker 1 would easily cover the $2.8 billion breakup fee worth about $1 a share that Warner Brothers would face if they break up the Netflix deal.

Speaker 1 Then they have to like pay a little bit of a fee, a breakup fee. So now Paramount is covering it.
Paramount is like so desperate.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I know this is big news and big business, and it means a lot for the shifting sands of the entertainment industry but it's a little too much for my foggy mom brain to compute at the moment like one the numbers and the shares and the hostility of the takeover extremely hostile and two like what it means for the content and the streaming services and like who owns what and like oh my gosh netflix is gonna have harry potter i don't really i can't think that far of like what that means you know okay but did anybody else like open up netflix and now the first thing that pops up is hbo max original show love and death remember that elizabeth Olson show with Landry from Friday Night Lights, which was very good.

Speaker 1 I watched it.

Speaker 1 It's on the home page now. It says HBO Max Original.
Like, did the merger already start?

Speaker 6 I think for them it did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Netflix is just like, girl, I don't know you.

Speaker 7 We're getting it to work.

Speaker 6 Possession is nine-tenths of the law.

Speaker 1 It's true. And like, Paramount's doing a lot.
And I am rooting for Paramount because like this would make Netflix like a super streamer.

Speaker 1 No one would be even close to the amount of subscribers they have. And it's like, let others have fun too.
And competition is good for the consumer.

Speaker 1 And if Netflix wins, if Netflix wins, we're all just going to be like subordinates of Netflix and they can raise their price. And we can't do anything about it because they have everything.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the fact that there are so many streamers does keep pricing competitive, even though it seems like every streamer is just going up and up.

Speaker 6 But if it keeps content competitive, like you want to make something good.

Speaker 1 Right. So I am rooting for Paramount.
I think it's good to have like multiple. And I know what, well, yeah, it would be nice if everything's on Netflix and we all just pay one streaming service.

Speaker 1 Then we're back to cable where we're all paying $100 a month like it's just you know same shit new toilet yeah

Speaker 1 so i'm rooting for paramount go date go david and larry slay let me know how i can help yeah

Speaker 6 yeah like i said it's a bit um

Speaker 6 high level it's yeah you know i'm just like down here like

Speaker 1 timing your feeds that's the most amount of math i can do right now All right, so I'll bring you like news that is so beyond mind-numbingly stupid. How's that?

Speaker 6 It's my favorite.

Speaker 1 About like one of the worst individuals on the planet lover boy founder kyle cook

Speaker 1 was caught shotgunning a truly i have to just tell you something like this is exactly what i want to talk about right now perfect okay did you talk about the trailer yet for summer house i did i think i spoke about it with joey camaster who needs to be a new cast member on summer house that was our overall takeaway oh i love that i did

Speaker 1 let's let's take it from the top trailer dropped i'll tell you guys the truly thing and explain why it matters trailer dropped trailer looks good

Speaker 1 Yeah, trailer looks good. And I saw people on TikTok saying like, why does this trailer feel so different? And it's like, because they're out of the house.

Speaker 1 Like almost all the footage is not in the house.

Speaker 6 Oh, is that why it felt different? I just felt like really, you know, for a while, things have been like static. You know, people have been like married or in a relationship.

Speaker 6 And like, this is like the biggest shift we've had in a while. One, it seems like Kyle and Amanda are on the rocks.

Speaker 6 Again, and the rumor mill has been saying for the last few weeks that like they're living separately. So this trailer seemed to be a confirmation of that.

Speaker 1 Because of the 6 a.m. thing at a fan's house.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Then Lindsay is back and she's like in a totally new head.
She's like brand new Lindsay because she's like new mama, but also like a cast member again.

Speaker 6 I don't know if she's living in the house, but like last summer she wasn't drinking. So she's like not doing that much.
Carl like is DTF. It seems like kissing girls at the table.
Right.

Speaker 6 Sierra West Jesse like the triangle lives on. Continues.
And sort of like the constrictions of last season where he's like dating Lexi so no one's like moving on any, like everything's just moving.

Speaker 1 It's free.

Speaker 6 Moving parts.

Speaker 1 And the big sort of story from the trailer is that Amanda shares with the ladies that Kyle, you know, a couple of weeks prior, like didn't come home.

Speaker 1 He came home at 6.30 in the morning and he was at a fan's apartment. He claims he fell asleep.
And now everyone's obsessed with this story because it's so fucking crazy.

Speaker 6 When I watched the trailer, I thought she said a band's apartment, that he was hanging out with the band. I was like, oh, how losery.

Speaker 1 And so I didn't ever have the reaction of then people started saying fan i was like oh my god yeah and so now everyone's like what what night was this and it reminds me a lot of when morgan wallen was like supposed to be um in a bubble for snl and ended up going to the bars on nashville's broadway street and ended up in renting on people's houses and all these like snapchats of like morgan wallen walking through somebody's suburban home went viral because now all these old Snapchats and Instagram stories from that night are coming back where the girls who whose apartment it was were like Kyle Cook's Cook's literally in our apartment and it has a time stamp on it it's 5 30 a.m and one of the photos that really went viral was the time being 5 30 this girl being like Kyle Cook's in our apartment and he's holding a truly shotguning it why is that a big deal he drinks a lot

Speaker 1 he drinks a lot of his own beverage now Kyle Cook famously allegedly got Hannah Berner fired because when they were on the show Hannah Berner you know started getting a lot of Instagram followers and with that comes brand deals and one of the brands she was offered was truly um she of course took the money did the ad and kyle like made it his mission to get her fired because it was a competitor to lover boy

Speaker 1 and now here he is drinking a truly it's just like funny and ironic you know i was reading comments and somebody wrote um

Speaker 1 somebody wrote

Speaker 13 i can't no

Speaker 1 poetic somebody somebody wrote i can't remember where i heard this but i heard somebody once say that all the castmates pour out Loverboy and just like put their drink of choice in the cans to like be supportive.

Speaker 1 Cause I did think it was weird that they're always drinking these like insane, like cosmopolitan espresso teeny. And it's like, you're in a bathing suit.

Speaker 1 Who wants to drink like that sugary, crazy ass drink? And like there's so many bottles of like rosé and tequila. I'm like, why are they always, do they really like it?

Speaker 1 And once I read that, I was like, oh, that's definitely what's happening.

Speaker 6 That's so interesting. And I mean, you don't always want something carbonated at the very least.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 6 Maybe you want something

Speaker 1 flat.

Speaker 16 Flat.

Speaker 6 That's very interesting. And also, like, they can't use the labels of other things on the show.

Speaker 6 So it's like, oh, if we pour it in this can, like, then it's not an issue and we're not, we're not, like, blurred out of the scene or whatever.

Speaker 1 Right. I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 6 That is an interesting tidbit.

Speaker 1 And then, of course, the truly of it all. What do you think about Kyle and Amanda? I've kind of like flipped my, my tune.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, did you share this yet?

Speaker 1 I said it with Joey, but like, I've just been thinking about it a lot because obviously it's like year after year after year. It's like, girl, get away from him.
Get away from him. Get away from him.

Speaker 1 Like, it's literally since he cheated on her. Like, even before that, everyone was like, he's not a good boyfriend.
He's not a good fiance. He's not a good husband.
And it's like, he's horrible.

Speaker 1 Like, you're dealing with depression and he's out partying. You're doing this.
And he, like, he's just awful, like a really bad human.

Speaker 1 But she clearly loves him so much. Like, only, you would only stay with somebody who's so like crazy when you love them so much.
And like, I don't know. Kyle is who he is.

Speaker 1 I think the expectation, like, just sort of waiting for Amanda to do this thing that, like, she's not going to do. I don't know.
I'm just kind of over it. I'm not, like, demanding her to leave him.

Speaker 6 Like, but you read it as she loves him so much.

Speaker 1 Why else would you stay married?

Speaker 6 I don't know. There's other reasons to stay married.
Cause, like, what, like, financial? No, I don't know. Or, like

Speaker 6 lazy, it's just it's it's a lot, like, and you want to make it work. And I don't know.
I don't read it as like she's like so in love with him. She barely likes him.
And as Bethany said, if you don't

Speaker 6 love it, you don't like it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I imagine that after all this time,

Speaker 1 the reason that they are still together is love. No,

Speaker 9 she works for him.

Speaker 1 What else? Like, seriously, what else? I don't know.

Speaker 1 So, I don't know, just like demanding that, like, Amanda's now she's gonna leave him. It's like, you said that last year.
Like, I don't know. It's just like kind of.

Speaker 6 This is like their relationship.

Speaker 1 Right, like it is what it is. He is who he is.
He's, and there's never really any real ramifications for his behavior, right?

Speaker 1 Like, it's like Kyle, you shouldn't do that, but like, I don't know, I feel like she doesn't really care. I feel like the audience cares more, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I don't know, you know what? I kind of ship them,

Speaker 11 okay?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just like what we could say it again: like, why is she with him? Like, because she loves him, so it's like she's why are you with your man?

Speaker 8 Like, bloom where you're planted,

Speaker 1 bloom where you're planted, yeah, her heart sings for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have to imagine that it does, honestly. Okay,

Speaker 1 Okay. What do you think?

Speaker 6 Um,

Speaker 6 I don't, I don't, that's not the read that I got, you know?

Speaker 1 Okay, but so like, why else would she still be with him? She's so much cooler. She's so much better looking.
She's this like young hot thing, famous gal, like, she's financially independent. Like,

Speaker 6 I don't know. I never really thought about it.
Like, why should I?

Speaker 1 She should not think about it. And then I think you might come to the same conclusion that I've got.

Speaker 9 I guess so.

Speaker 1 Like, she must, like, really, really love love him. And you know what? We should be championing true love.
Even though he is my nemesis, like, I do believe that they should stay together. I do.

Speaker 9 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you think they are together right now?

Speaker 6 What do you think about the rumors?

Speaker 1 I don't know. They keep like making these TikToks, like playing into the rumors.
And it was all at BravoCon and they won't confirm. I believe it has something to do with the show.

Speaker 6 And the new show, too, in the city.

Speaker 1 Right. At this point, I'm just so conditioned to them.

Speaker 1 Any normal person would be like, oh, that's divorce. That's a reason.

Speaker 1 But I don't know. They've survived worse.

Speaker 6 So i don't know i think they're together yeah i do yeah i've been watching a lot of reality tv and it's like you know what i don't even want to know what's going on right now like i want to watch my show

Speaker 6 like totally but i don't want to live in the universe no and it's like it's like it's entertainment like i want to watch the show i'm watching real house eyes of salt laced now and it's like i don't want to know what anyone's up to right now i want to watch my show jensha's free gen cha's free she's not coming back to bravo and he has said like left, right, and center.

Speaker 6 And I don't miss her.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 6 But I'm watching the season with Monica. I feel like I'm about to be at the part.
They just went to Bermuda. I think I know something of what happens.

Speaker 6 But as you guys know on the show, I've avoided spoilers of like Monica Gate for years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 The chickens are coming home to roost soon. I'm so excited.

Speaker 6 And I know this franchise has been good. We just like haven't been in it.
And it's nice to be back with the ladies. It took me a couple tries, but I'm here.

Speaker 6 And right now this season, like I'm Team Lisa. That's who I am.

Speaker 1 Do you know Broadwin?

Speaker 6 I have not met her on the show yet, but I've heard of her in the world.

Speaker 1 Well, she's getting divorced. That was like a story to say.

Speaker 6 I saw that, but I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, you will soon enough, my darling. You will.

Speaker 6 I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know if they have kids.
I don't know nothing.

Speaker 1 Fifth and Vinyl Story is like. This is how I like it.
You know what I mean? Of course.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm just watching my show.

Speaker 1 Fifth and Vital Story. Like, literally, me, I'm watching my program.

Speaker 6 The only show I don't feel that way about is Southern Charm, where I'm like dying not to text anyone and be like, who's dating? What's going on?

Speaker 1 What's the tea? What's the date? Fifth and final story is Taylor Swift's first two episodes of her documentary came out and there's quite a lot there.

Speaker 1 I was trying to avoid spoilers because I haven't had the time to watch it.

Speaker 6 I'm talking about what's in it, even though we haven't watched it.

Speaker 1 Yes, just because she is talking about the Vienna terror threat, she's also talking about the Liverpool attack and she gets really emotional.

Speaker 1 Like she's crying in the, in like the confessional, and then she's also crying because she met with like a bunch of the families and then I think before a show and she's just like crying in her costume.

Speaker 1 so Taylor Swift teared up in her new End of an Era docu series while reflecting on the darker moments from her record-breaking tour.

Speaker 1 In episode one, an emotional Swift addressed the thwarted terrorist plot that led to her canceling the three scheduled era's tours in Vienna.

Speaker 1 She said, I thought this would be a tour I would be proud of. It's like a force to be reckoned with in a global culture.

Speaker 1 So, never in my life did I think that we would have a terrorist plot, she said during a sit-down interview in London, where she would be resuming the tour mere days after the threat.

Speaker 1 Noting that this isn't her first concert, she tearfully admitted, but this was the first one. I feel like, I don't know, I'm skating on thin ice or something.

Speaker 1 We've had a series of very violent, scary things happen to the tour. Like we dodged a massacre situation.
So I've just been kind of all over the place. She reflected, we dodged a massacre situation.

Speaker 1 She cries. She shares that she met with the families.
And I remember at the time when we were talking about, especially the Liverpool attack,

Speaker 1 how heavy that must be on Taylor. And I don't know why.
I just never thought we would hear from her. This is,

Speaker 1 would have totally respected her decision to never share with us what that was like and then her thoughts on it. So I didn't think that this is what the documentary was going to be, honestly.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but I guess if they were filming her in like real time during the shows, then that was like a major thing that happened. And even with Fienna, she put out a statement, but like

Speaker 6 didn't harp on it like too much. She like kind of like got back to the shows.
And again, like she doesn't have to say too much, but given that she's doing a documentary of the tourist, like it is

Speaker 6 interesting to see like how it,

Speaker 6 how she felt about it and like how it happened um right but that's really heavy i i i hadn't i guess i didn't think about like what we would get on this documentary so i hadn't even thought about that me neither i thought it was going to be like a little bit more shallow being like well here's how we choose what outfit to sing with what song no and because there is like a lot of intricacies around like the mashups and i'm sure she could have done a 10 part series and we all would have watched it and loved it that was like a little bit more surface level no but given that she's like filming interviews in real time like she went to london and like is doing a confessional yeah she has to talk about like what happened it we might have realized that it was taken out if we had watched it but no it's not like a regular concert dvd where it's like we're filming footage from the show and then in a few months she's going to reflect on all of it it's like it's happened she's filming herself as everything's unfolding so it does make sense that it was included because i'm sure it also like changed the tone of her experience like i'm sure it just

Speaker 6 kind of like also she had um that tragedy in south america right where someone passed away.

Speaker 1 Where some, yeah, from like heat stroke.

Speaker 6 So that just sort of like just changes your mood and your vibe. So addressing it makes sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 It sounds,

Speaker 1 did you see that her Spotify rapped video went viral?

Speaker 16 No.

Speaker 1 So I'm sure you guys saw because you got it from us, but when you got your Spotify rapped from your favorite artists or your most listened to podcasters, a lot of people were able to send videos to their fans if you were in like the top 1% of listeners.

Speaker 1 And so the top Taylor listeners got a video and it's like, thanks so much for a great year. Love you, bye.
And Taylor was like, Oh, thank you guys so much.

Speaker 1 And she then she started promoting her new documentary and her document series. And it went really viral, being like, Taylor Smith can't even like thank her fans without just like promoting something.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you know what? Yeah, like that's my capitalist queen right there. Okay.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I have to see the video, but it's like,

Speaker 6 does she really worry that the top 1% of her fans are not going to be watching that documentary?

Speaker 7 Right, right.

Speaker 6 Is that really a concern?

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 why?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 9 You know? Why?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I got a big

Speaker 6 video, not from my number one artist, because he's long dead, Tchaikovsky. So I got one from my number two artist, Peppa Pig.

Speaker 6 And she was really, really thrilled that we spent the year listening to Bing Bong Boom.

Speaker 1 What did Pippa have to say?

Speaker 8 She was like, thank you so much for listening.

Speaker 6 To my music. My brother George and my sister Evie are so excited that you like us.

Speaker 1 You really sound like her.

Speaker 6 I know. And what's funny is we were reading Paddington the other night and I was like trying to explain accents.
And so I was trying to do a British accent.

Speaker 8 Like I literally, I froze.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's like, it's like sometimes when you're like singing for your kids, you get like embarrassed.

Speaker 6 And now here I am.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Yeah, that was really good.

Speaker 1 Well, if you had our Spotify rapped video, Slay, thanks for the support. And that was, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that was pretty cool

Speaker 6 to see. Yeah.
Spotify wrapped the series like a mess for me.

Speaker 11 It's just an absorption.

Speaker 6 Also, I just need to like, I need to defend myself and my family. We don't listen to that much Peppa Pig,

Speaker 6 but just the songs that we listen to are very short. And you know how it goes.
Like when they want to listen to a song, we listen to it on repeat.

Speaker 6 And all of a sudden, like the streams are getting super high. Plus, we do a lot of our like driving in Zach's car.
So like if he's not your account. Actually, we should make one account.

Speaker 11 I should just

Speaker 6 because if that were the case like rascal flax would have been my number one album listen to it all summer

Speaker 6 partially summer. I just like need to ex like just hold myself accountable.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna cut to a quick ad break and then let's take a look at the year at a glance. Would you?

Speaker 11 Okay

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Speaker 1 gift thank you turtle a pleasure so those were the fast five how did you feel that I did I feel that you did good Yeah,

Speaker 1 I can't lie. I'm excited for you to come back.
I hate choosing the stories.

Speaker 6 Okay, thank you. But it's also funny how like the dynamic of the show is different based on who's reading the stories.

Speaker 6 Like when you're the person reading the stories, it's like I'm the other person to react.

Speaker 6 So I feel like I have to have these big reactions, whereas like you totally have the big reactions and so much more fun i don't know i had a blast

Speaker 11 i had a blast

Speaker 6 jax tell me about your year i mean it was a beautiful year it really was we welcome i welcomed a new nephew

Speaker 6 um a son of my own you know was it was a pregnant year

Speaker 6 it was a it was a big year for the big girls it was a year of growth in every sense and and a lot of

Speaker 6 personal growth this year um so i've just uh it's been a lovely year.

Speaker 1 It's been lovely to have you back.

Speaker 6 And it's been lovely to have you back because this year was also your maternity leave. And so the girlies were a little bit apart this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Shout out to the toasters for sticking with us for two maternity leaves in one year.

Speaker 1 I feel as though we slayed the house down boots both times, but of course, everyone just wants Jackson Turt Original Recipe and we love that you love it. So thanks for the patience.

Speaker 1 Thanks for the love and support. Thanks to everybody who tuned in this week.
I mean this week. Well, this week, yeah, but also this year.
It was great getting to connect digitally with our community.

Speaker 1 And this is, while it is our final toast episode of the year, we still have one, our Jenny McCarthy interview, which is coming up next, but also five episodes on Patreon.

Speaker 1 It's always a good time to be a Patreon member, you guys. I've been saying this.

Speaker 6 And we're going to do a lot of at a glance on Patreon this month because we do have to do like top stories of the year, our favorite stories that we discuss, like so many things that we do annually.

Speaker 6 So there will be a lot of good content on the Toast Post, personal because we'll be together, and like pop culture if you don't really like us that much and you more so like the stories.

Speaker 1 I don't feel like there are people that don't like us.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I guess in thinking at a glance, like this year held the most change for the show.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The frames.

Speaker 1 Was that this year? That was this year. It was.
Oh my gosh. It's only like the summer.
So like,

Speaker 6 this year, like, if you made it through till today, like, things will be a lot, you know, I think more calm in this next year.

Speaker 1 So the frames are here to stay jackson claude like i'm so glad we're over like the frame hate era from everyone like now the frames now they just go ahead of their time

Speaker 1 yeah much like shakespeare was he

Speaker 6 yeah he wasn't appreciated in his own time they say about him wasn't he like selling out theaters

Speaker 1 no i think like they were like okay good luck with your plays yeah and i think it was probably like lowbrow

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was considered like reality TV.

Speaker 1 Trash.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And now it's like, well, we actually consume trash.
So that's good.

Speaker 1 right? The bar has been lost.

Speaker 6 Shakespeare is good, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, with that, we'll bid you adieu for the final time this year. I hope you enjoyed this interview with Jenny McCarthy.
She was fab, and she like totally knew and respected the toast, which I love.

Speaker 1 Like, sometimes people come on and they don't know, and they're just like, Oh, this is so great. Um, but she like knew it all.
She knew I had a good singing voice.

Speaker 6 Yeah, oh, she knew you had a voice, your voice has reached the ears of Miss McCarthy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she was like, You have a good singing voice, right?

Speaker 5 Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, I like fuck.

Speaker 1 I said, I dabble.

Speaker 6 I like to say fuck.

Speaker 1 That's what it sounded like.

Speaker 8 Probably fuck.

Speaker 6 Okay, cool. Can't wait.

Speaker 1 Guys, enjoy the interview. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast of the Man.
I'm morning share. We deal with the Fast Isties Eating Story Monday to Friday on YouTube.

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Speaker 1 Hope you guys have an amazing end of the year. Happy holidays, Chag Samayach.
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 Happy Kwanzaa.

Speaker 1 We love you all.

Speaker 2 Love ya.

Speaker 9 Excuse me.

Speaker 1 Oh, I forgot that that's not my thing to say.

Speaker 5 Back.

Speaker 11 Hey, hey.

Speaker 6 For the final time this year on the regular show, because I'm sure I'll say it on Patreon. Love ya.

Speaker 1 Bye.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the chose. I am so excited to be sitting down with my final guest of the year.
Ooh, spooky. It's Jenny McCarthy.
Hey, girl.

Speaker 2 Hey, you know what they say. Say the best thing.

Speaker 2 Thank you. I was excited to do your show.
I love you. I think you're awesome.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I love you.
I was just listening to you on the Skinning Confidential podcast where I feel like I got your entire life story in 90 minutes. They did such a good job.
And you're so dynamic.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't, when I was how I'm going to introduce you, I don't even know what to call you.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure either. I ask myself that every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, are you, you're a business founder, you're a wife, you're a mother.
You are a host. You have a background.

Speaker 1 I mean, I literally forgot up until when you did Skinning Confidential that you were on the view.

Speaker 2 Right. I'm hoping most people forget that part.

Speaker 1 Was that the worst time of your life?

Speaker 2 It was really difficult.

Speaker 2 I mean, I know I've talked about this before, but you know, everyone has done a job in their lifetime that just didn't match. If you haven't, you've dated a guy that just doesn't match.

Speaker 2 It doesn't fit. I was hired initially to be a pop culture kind of, hey, get to some the bachelor this week, kind of fun, bring the light to the view because they thought it was getting polarizing.

Speaker 2 Barbara, unfortunately, did not like that new avenue after a week and went back to political, polarizing, fighting. And I could not handle that as a human being.

Speaker 1 So you just get like stuck there.

Speaker 2 I got stuck there for a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it was, I would literally at night when I'd fall asleep at night,

Speaker 2 you know, that was when you were falling.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Literally, I'd be like, Donnie's like, your body's having earthquakes from the amount of stress.

Speaker 1 I'm sure.

Speaker 2 They'd be like, let's talk about the hostage negotiations and whether the United States should pay for people that are, I'm like, I was hired to say, who's the best dancer on day days that's awful and then they don't help you right like they just sort of threw you in they don't help you until they change that then they would have someone come in the room and try to give me political opinions now if you're haven't watched 24 7 political news yeah it's really hard to be a commentator like give me a good five years and then maybe i can come back but when your job literally and even on mass singer my lane I'm in, I'm hired as the pop culture guru.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's so true.

Speaker 1 I always forget, you're so dynamic. Like when I think of you, I think of it, and probably not what everybody thinks of.
Everybody has like their Danny McCarthy thing for sure.

Speaker 1 Minus the fact that you met your husband on Watch Trappens Live. Like that is the craziest thing.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if you know that nobody on the entire planet in the world is a bigger Blue Bloods fan than me. Come on.
I literally visited the set. Like I'm a Danny Reagan stand.
I'm obsessed.

Speaker 1 I was obsessed with that show. So good.
Like I, the lore goes really deep with me. Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 So are you watching Boston Blue?

Speaker 1 I know he has a new show. I am watching it.
I'm very excited for him. I didn't know who of the cast was going to get a spinoff.

Speaker 11 Kind of a big deal. That was a good idea.
Kind of a deal.

Speaker 2 And as time goes on, because my mom's like, I need to get to know the new family more. I'm like, you will, and you will love them.

Speaker 2 I know the episodes that are coming up that you guys haven't yet. And it's, they're brilliant.

Speaker 1 You guys are so cute together too. Was Andy coming at your wedding? Cause he'd like kind of introduced you to her.

Speaker 2 He was like, Jenny, because we were going to have him do the vows. Yeah, yeah.
And we were like, we're one of those kind of couples who are like, we don't want to bug people.

Speaker 2 And Andy would have been like, I would have loved to. I'm like, really? We just didn't know.

Speaker 1 So were you guys both guests that night?

Speaker 2 We were guests and that night i thought for some reason i thought donny was married so i wasn't i say too flirty because sometimes i could be just yourself i could be my mtv kind of you know flirty jenny like oh you're not bad in the eyes wink wink but not flirty because i thought he was married right but at the ending credits of that episode you literally see me pat him on the back and i go you know what you're a really nice guy then four months later, I had my VH1 talk show because I've had many different variations of myself doing things.

Speaker 2 And he was one of my guests. And I'm like, oh, let me do a little homework.
So I'm like, reading, I'm like, I don't see who he's, oh, he's not married. Oh, I wonder if he's dating.

Speaker 2 I'm going to get that out of him. Cause, you know, as an interviewer, you want some clickbait.

Speaker 2 So I'm interviewing him. And he was just like, no, I'm not really seeing anybody, which to me meant, he just didn't break up with anybody.
Right.

Speaker 16 He's seeing people.

Speaker 2 Right. And then as the interview went on, it was only supposed to be a four minute, six minute interview.
It was 90 minutes.

Speaker 1 Do you guys ever go back and watch either of the segments? Oh, the time. time.
You do? Okay. I'm like, thank you for being normal because I would too.

Speaker 1 I feel like some famous people would be like, no, we are not.

Speaker 17 All the time, especially on our

Speaker 2 anniversaries, but usually we probably go back and watch it like seven times a year because when we're laying on the pillow, if you haven't seen it, please look up the,

Speaker 2 it was the Jenny McCarthy show on BH1 where we're laying on the ground licking poly lollipops talking to each other.

Speaker 2 We both say this, it literally, the way we're talking to each other is exactly how we talk to each other now. It seems like we've been married for 11 years because we sound exactly like that now.

Speaker 2 So it's really bizarre.

Speaker 1 That's so cute. And also just like you being a pop culture expert and obsessor while also meeting your man on, like, it's literally a dream for like a pop culture swirly.

Speaker 2 We could be a Hallmark movie.

Speaker 1 You could. You also had a big show on radio at Sirius XM for a while.
Long time. You have so many different eras.

Speaker 1 Right now you're in your mass singer era, which like my dream, I've always said, like I love to sing, but I love to also criticize people singing.

Speaker 1 Like I would like I like, I'm like a Simon Cowell of sorts. Whenever I meet someone, I'm I'm like, oh, you sing? Let's hear it.

Speaker 1 So, you being like a judge on that type of show, is that the, I imagine it's the best job in the world, just like sitting and hearing people sing.

Speaker 1 And you have the privilege of pretty much listening to mostly good singers. Correct.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The reason why I love this job too is because we actually give flowers. Yeah.
I'm not a mean girl.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 You know, if someone can't sing,

Speaker 2 this is what I usually come back with.

Speaker 16 You are so brave to come out here, girl, and have that kind of courage, you know,

Speaker 2 because I feel like there's enough people giving insults and criticism. And it is hard to come out there, of course, especially if you're not a singer on this show.

Speaker 2 So I like giving the flowers and I don't like being a meanie. So that's right.

Speaker 2 And again, I'm not the one that's supposed to give the critique. Right.

Speaker 1 Because you're not the singer expert. You're the pop culture expert.

Speaker 2 Right. I would say something like, I just watched your story and your clue package.
And it moved me so much. And I see the growth that you've had.
You know, so that's where I come into play.

Speaker 1 And what is your like rate of successful guesses?

Speaker 1 Because when I watch watch the show, I think, and I know everyone, I know everything. Like I watch every show.
I watch everyone's Instagram stories. It's really hard.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think I've ever watched a clip or seen someone. I feel like maybe I guess like when Sheena Shay was on.

Speaker 1 But besides that, I really, it's much harder than I think someone would think it is.

Speaker 2 It's much harder in the studio. And I'll tell you why, because we don't have speakers by the guest panel.
So we are relying on the bounce of the sound off the walls.

Speaker 2 That's why we all look like we're deaf.

Speaker 1 We're all like, oh, yes, you do that.

Speaker 14 Because there's no speakers by using it.

Speaker 2 And that gives us a disadvantage. So we don't immediately guess who you guys are.
Now, when you're at home, it's so obvious who the person is.

Speaker 2 And we have to go through social media where people are like, you idiot.

Speaker 1 I just want to tell you, I don't think that it's obvious. When I've watched it, I'm like.
I have no idea. Okay.
But also, you cover a wide range of people.

Speaker 1 You have like lots of athletes, like lots of different generations.

Speaker 2 And there's a lot of athletes who can sing. Right.
So there's a lot of surprise people.

Speaker 2 And there's also, we have some amazing artists who are supposed to be able to sing who then can't sing without their auto-tune. And we don't guess, we think that they're athletes.

Speaker 1 And do you believe that everyone who is performing, because you can't see them, you believe they're really in there?

Speaker 9 Like they are for sure. They're 100%.

Speaker 2 Because, do you remember that

Speaker 2 movie back in the day called Game Show? There was a movie.

Speaker 14 This is, oh my God, you guys have to watch this.

Speaker 2 There was a movie, and there was a documentary at first, but there was a game show back in the 50s, 60s. Someone can help me, where

Speaker 2 they were feeding someone, Mr. Joe Schmo, the answers so he would win everywhere.

Speaker 1 Of course, I know this story. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 So then he got to be the most famous guy in the world. He won all this money.
Turns out they were feeding him. Then a law came into play.
Right.

Speaker 2 So that's why we have legal people, standards of practices, and game show authority people that are literally hovering over us

Speaker 2 while we are.

Speaker 1 voting.

Speaker 2 So it's like, we can't even whisper. I can't be like, yo, Ken, who do you think you want?

Speaker 1 Oh, you don't deliberate with one another.

Speaker 2 No, no, I can ask them afterwards, but it's pretty private.

Speaker 1 And so how many people do you think you've successfully guessed?

Speaker 1 Okay. I'm not going to be able to do it.
You've been since the beginning.

Speaker 2 Yeah, since the beginning, I would say if everybody else gets about

Speaker 2 15% correct, I would put myself at

Speaker 2 30%, 40%. That's pretty good.
Not bad. Cause there's a lot of times, secret.

Speaker 2 Close your ears, Fox, listening. There's a lot of times where I might guess too soon and they'll remove it out of the edit.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because you don't want to give the people at home like the answer right away. Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2 So there's a lot of times where I'm like, damn those fox executives for removing my guess because they'll never know that you actually got it right. And you guys, I am psychotic competitive.

Speaker 2 I literally, I've had executives come in my dressing room almost every season, sit down with me at a table and say, You need to calm down. You need to calm down.
And I'm like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Was it my job to guess who's underneath the mask but i take it to the level like there's an academy award right at the end of it i appreciate that so i won they have the golden ear trophy i won like four of them wow so um they had they got rude of it because i keep winning it yeah like there's something fun in that also of course like competition and i said listen these bozos next to me only google themselves i am in tune to everything that's going on in pop culture.

Speaker 14 Yes, you are. So I deserve those.

Speaker 1 So like four years ago, my agent was like, you, can you send me a video of yourself singing? And I said, sure, I thought you'd never ask.

Speaker 10 Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 And she told me later on that it was for the mass singer and they passed on me. And honestly, like, I don't know if I could do it, but I think I could win.

Speaker 2 By the way, I've heard you sing before. And I think you would not only win, you would

Speaker 2 dominate.

Speaker 1 I think so too. Cause it's, and I feel like I'm one of those unique people.
It's cool that you guys have like, obviously, you know, Amber Riley won from Glee. Like, she's the best voice ever.

Speaker 1 Like, we knew that. I think the fun of the show is when you see like somebody who's an athlete or somebody who's a comedian who has an amazing singing voice.
And that's me.

Speaker 1 Like I'm not a singer by trade, but I'm telling you I have an amazing voice.

Speaker 2 You have an amazing voice. I mean, do you think you would ever do it?

Speaker 2 Like, of course, because I'm can you let me know when?

Speaker 1 Well, that was my other question. Has anybody ever like DM'd you being like, I'm coming on?

Speaker 2 No, never.

Speaker 8 It's very illegal, right?

Speaker 2 Sherry Shepard came on and she walked on the stage. I go, I know that walk.
And then I texted her. I was like, yo, what state are you in right now?

Speaker 2 And she's like, I'm in New York. And she showed a picture of me as selfie with New York behind her.
And I was like, that's someone that's just like this, pretending to be Sherry Shepard.

Speaker 2 So she threw me off, even though I tried to cheat.

Speaker 1 Is it true that the show is based on like a Japanese

Speaker 1 Korean show?

Speaker 8 Korean show.

Speaker 1 Because it really is such like a crazy

Speaker 1 concept.

Speaker 2 Do you think people will guess you?

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean,

Speaker 1 if you read my podcast reviews, it's everybody being like, oh my God, Claudia, you're singing voice, please stop.

Speaker 1 So I'm always singing. I actually have released two pop songs.
So I do think the listeners of the show, if I was on, like, I think they would get it instantly.

Speaker 2 I think I would get you instantly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm saying that, but now I'm going to, if if you ever come on the show, I'm going to feel like a real idiot.

Speaker 1 Well, now, if I ever come on the show, we'll have to replay this clip back. Right.
Maybe you guys could use it as a little bit.

Speaker 8 That's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 It's just like my dream job to like sit. I've always like, when I grew up watching American Idol, X Factor, those types of singing, like talent shows.
And to me, it looks like the most fun job.

Speaker 1 You're in this big chair. You look gorgeous.
You get to like just watch everyone and give your critique. And you're sort of like.
like a godly figure.

Speaker 2 What costume would you think you would want to be? Because you can pick your costume sometimes.

Speaker 1 So I have thought about this. I do think I would be like

Speaker 1 a King Charles Cavalier. Oh.
So I have, well, okay, so I have a King Charles Cavalier now. His name is Romeo.

Speaker 1 He's not like, I don't love him so much, but I had like my soul dog who passed away a couple of years ago.

Speaker 9 Sorry, you actually

Speaker 1 two years ago, like yesterday. And we are obsessed with King Charles Cavalier.
I had one growing up. And I think, because they do like animals, right? I think I would be like, yeah, a dog.

Speaker 2 That's beautiful. See, I would be a cheeseburger.

Speaker 1 Oh, they do food?

Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 I love that.

Speaker 16 I'm a Wahlburger.

Speaker 1 Oh, right. Oh, my God.
Your lore is so deep, Jenny McCarthy. You're also part of the famous Wahlberg family, but you also eat really healthy.
Do you eat Wahlburgers?

Speaker 2 I do. I'll eat the meat only.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So you're not vegetarian. You're like carnivore, right?

Speaker 2 I was, I was, I tried being a vegetarian, but my body will not allow it because I have so many issues.

Speaker 2 So I did carnivore for about six months to reset my system. It was the greatest thing I ever did for myself.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah. But you don't stick with it.

Speaker 2 You're not supposed to stick with it

Speaker 2 after a certain amount of time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When did you become a mom?

Speaker 2 I was 29 because I thought everybody should have a baby before 30.

Speaker 1 Okay, like literally me.

Speaker 1 I was pregnant when I was 29. I was like, thank fucking God.

Speaker 1 That's so interesting. How do you feel like being a mom is a part of your identity in terms of your career? Because I feel like a lot of women love your book.

Speaker 1 You talk a lot about now like menopause and perimenopause.

Speaker 1 Why do you like, why do you feel like that's something you want to explore beyond comedy and stuff?

Speaker 2 You know, I always wanted to be a mom. I wanted like four kids.
And then when I gave birth to my son,

Speaker 17 you know, you always hear people say, like, oh, just wait.

Speaker 2 Your love is going to grow so immensely. I had no idea

Speaker 2 the chamber, the extra chamber that would grow in my heart the moment they handed me my son.

Speaker 11 I

Speaker 9 was like, this is what life's all about.

Speaker 15 Totally.

Speaker 2 Like we are, as females, we are creators. We create a human being.
I literally every day was like, I'm going to be the greatest mom in the world. And that's all I wanted to be from that day forward.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I'm going to take every job that would help you. I'm going to work so hard to be a great mom.
I'm going to love you to pieces.

Speaker 2 And now it's just, that's all I work for, I live for, just want to be the greatest mom and protect him.

Speaker 1 And you also have like a blended family, which can be tough. Yes.
What's the secret?

Speaker 2 Giving it time and being good role models. And what I mean by that is initially, you know, Donnie and I both had a son that was in the same age group.
And that was,

Speaker 2 I'm going to say, like, they were both freshmen in high school.

Speaker 8 I mean, that's a tough time.

Speaker 1 Tough time, tough time. For boys, especially.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, we mod, we weren't like, don't kiss me. Don't kiss, let's not kiss each other in front of them.
We were like, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Let's model what healthy, loving relationship looks like. They might be like cringe, but so is every teenager.
100%. But we wanted to show them.

Speaker 2 It wasn't by sticking to that, by having love in the house and the example of that.

Speaker 2 It was so quick oh really it was so quick and you know they both had their own identities um you know my son being special needs um wasn't in competition right so that really kind of was helpful and now they love each other that's so nice it's so nice i'm so lucky yeah i love that i mean you and danny are just the best i feel like on social media he has like such i mean i'm a part of like the Blue Bloods family, which I feel like is like small in comparison to his new kids on the block.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Like, what is it like? You go to their shows and stuff, but it's really, I don't want to use the word cult because that has a negative connotation, but the fandom is very intense.

Speaker 1 And there are like people who have been fans of him for 40 years.

Speaker 2 Like, it's his sisterhood. It's crazy.
It's unbelievably beautiful. And let me explain why.
When I first started dating Donnie, I was like, I was like, oh, I forgot. What if his fans all hate me?

Speaker 2 What if I'm like running down a street and they're throwing cans at me? Yeah.

Speaker 2 When I learned about the outside of that, I'll get to that.

Speaker 2 This is the most incredible. Like, I go, there needs to be a documentary on Donnie's blockheads.
Yeah. They are sisters.

Speaker 2 And what I mean by that is they all have gotten to know each other for the past 40 years. They fly in for reunions with each other.

Speaker 17 That's really cute.

Speaker 2 When one has cancer, they fly to that city, take care of that mom, raise money, fundraisers. It is unlike anything I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's so underrated when you think about like, like, we're in like stand culture right now with like so many crazy artists.
The Swifts, like they're always fighting with one another.

Speaker 1 You really forget about the blockheads. They go deep.

Speaker 2 They go deep. And then them taking me on, accepting me, has been like the most beautiful.
Donnie's like, wait till you start meeting everybody.

Speaker 2 And I've been doing pop-ins for my beauty brand, which I'll talk about later. And I've gotten to meet them all one-on-one now.
And literally, it makes me cry because they're such beautiful people.

Speaker 1 You didn't get any hate in the beginning.

Speaker 2 Well, there might have been two that have been like, you know,

Speaker 2 you plastic surgery face, definitely.

Speaker 2 So you plastic.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I've heard way worse in my 35 years now in this career. I'm like, it's fine, but they're all just been lovely.

Speaker 2 If there's any haters now, they're definitely quiet because the sisterhood would go attack that one day.

Speaker 1 When you were at Siri XM, did you ever go on the Howard Stern show? Yes. And was that in his era of like, because he's so rehabilitated now.

Speaker 14 He's like very cultural and he's very cosmopolitan.

Speaker 1 But there was a time where it was, you know, different. Sign of the times.
Yeah, when you went on, which Howard was it?

Speaker 2 I was on during old school Howard, and then I was on during kind of, I would say, the more transitional

Speaker 2 where he is kind of now

Speaker 2 kind of a place.

Speaker 2 And what was that like? Less like more interviewee now.

Speaker 1 Yes, he's very deep now. I read his book.
I thought he was one. Like, he's very not at all what you would expect.
When you say people can't change, I mean, look at Howard Stern.

Speaker 2 It's insane. It's, he's, by the way, what people don't know is when the camera goes off, he might be like

Speaker 2 very like

Speaker 2 boisterous, maybe, on camera, or like bold and brave and ballsy when you when he shuts down the camera he's very kind of sweet and

Speaker 2 like just a super kind of meek nice guy yeah yeah he's like when i see him in the hallways i'd be like hey howard he'd be like hi wow you're really ahead of the times with your radio show like doing pop culture i feel like now that's literally what we do um would you ever do a podcast

Speaker 2 i am actually

Speaker 2 yes starting um probably in the fall of next year it'll be a little bit of a hybrid between talk show and podcast i was shocked when i learned that you didn't you i just kind of assumed that you did is there a reason you haven't done it yet um i because i did serious xen for seven years then mass singer came about and they moved us to two seasons a year instead of one on the mass singer on the mass singer so i kind of said goodbye to that serious and was like i can always come back yeah now mass singer is one season a year so that leaves me a lot more time and i was like this is a great opportunity i miss interviewing i want to be back in it So getting back in the game.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love that. Okay.
And so pop culture wise, what are you into right now?

Speaker 2 What shows are are you watching what stories are you following are you a swifty like i need to know everything um okay i'm gonna be really honest and i don't want the swifties to come hate me because there is a happy ending okay

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 i've never been a swifty okay um there's been some catchy songs back in the day of course but my friends love her

Speaker 2 and um

Speaker 2 there was that recent song Fate of Ophelia, that I saw people doing this TikTok dance to. So then I'm like, oh my God, this song is so catchy.
Then I find myself like singing the song all the time.

Speaker 2 Then I'm like, you know what? I'm going to buy this song because I love this song so much right now. And I real, and I went to buy it and said, Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 And I went, oh man, you didn't even know it was Taylor Swift. I didn't even know it was Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 So then I had to call my friends and go,

Speaker 9 guess what I am?

Speaker 8 They're like, what?

Speaker 9 I'm like, I'm sweeping.

Speaker 2 You know what? I will say, I'm rooting for them too as a couple. I'm so happy she found him.
I think he's going to bring everything that was missing in her life. Totally.
And

Speaker 2 it's just like, it reminds me of just like an old school romance back in the day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, it's very traditional.

Speaker 2 Very traditional. And I wanted to have babies,

Speaker 2 I wanted to start seeing about stretch marks. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 I said, because I literally just had a baby and I've been a Taylor Smith fan like since day one.

Speaker 1 And I love that she writes about the things that I have lived and dealt through with my whole life from like a perspective of we're similar ages.

Speaker 1 And I kind of like selfishly, I need her to have a baby.

Speaker 2 I know. I did.
I literally said the other day, I go, she needs to have a baby now because that's where all of her peeps are.

Speaker 2 And you need to hear, we want her to go through the transition that we all have as mothers, which is, oh my God, it's not about me anymore.

Speaker 2 When you realize you are living for this human that you created, life shifts. Your paradigm is upside down.
Those little

Speaker 2 things that used to bother you are nothing once you become a mom. So it'll be interesting to see how her music changes.

Speaker 1 Totally. And I just want to say, I'm so ready for it.

Speaker 7 Breastfeeding.

Speaker 11 Yeah, right. Breastfeeding.
So nipple and nipple.

Speaker 2 Did you breastfeed? No, I tried it for a day.

Speaker 2 And I was like, so paranoid about having implants

Speaker 2 that I was like, I'm scared.

Speaker 1 You've never had them before.

Speaker 2 I had them already. Yes.
I was like, what if there's a leakage in the tubing and which there isn't, but I was so paranoid about that that I didn't do it.

Speaker 1 It's easy to get paranoid in day one. Yeah.
I'm still on my breastfeeding journey. Bless you.
I'm always talking about it. That's why I'm not going to be able to do it.

Speaker 2 I would breastfeed for many years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's just hard because, like, I know everyone's so sick of me talking about this.
It's really hard to lose a baby weight when you're breastfeeding. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's currently what I'm just sort of grappling with.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but so worth it. I'm telling you, the immune system and your baby is going to be light speed against everybody else.

Speaker 1 Okay, other pop culture. What do you make of Harry and Megan?

Speaker 2 That's a great question. Thank you.
You know,

Speaker 16 in my old age here,

Speaker 2 I try to look at it from a different perspective. It gives you a little bit more wisdom.
And

Speaker 2 I feel, I have an empathy for them, a sympathy for them, because

Speaker 2 I know what it's like to be in the public eye. It's awful.

Speaker 2 My diagnosis, though, of Megan

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 possibly there might be a bit of narcissism in there.

Speaker 1 Right, because a normal person would. step away.

Speaker 2 Yeah, step away.

Speaker 2 This is the thing that I think that bumps everybody is the hypocrisy of like wanting to get out.

Speaker 2 And if she wanted on all merit to get out, because if I lived in the house that they were going to put me in this moldy cabin, I'd be like, get me out here.

Speaker 1 I need a Starbucks across the street. That little cottage.
It was so funny when she described it. Yeah, no, I agree with her.
And then I saw pictures and I was like, oh, she was not kidding.

Speaker 1 She wasn't joking.

Speaker 2 No, I'd have gotten out of there.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 2 So, and then if she would have gotten up, but to dismantle the royal family, and they could have been 100% worth dismantling. You just don't go then and then try to have people

Speaker 2 say the Duchess of Sussex who's entering the room. Right.
That is where you're going to lose your audience. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It doesn't feel authentic.

Speaker 2 And then she's also really trying to brand herself

Speaker 2 as a solo kind of Megan.

Speaker 15 Megan.

Speaker 2 Megan, period, a Susie homemaker or whatever you will.

Speaker 2 And on the flip side, I do know that, you know, she's a human being, a mom, trying to maybe make a career. I don't know where they're getting.
Does Harry get any money? I don't know.

Speaker 1 The money is very, because they live a very expensive life. They live in Montecito.
Like that house is not cheap.

Speaker 1 And they have a bunch of projects, but a lot of times they don't finish those projects. Like she famously didn't finish her Spotify podcast, her second podcast.
He has a book deal for three books.

Speaker 1 He's only released one.

Speaker 2 Right. So, you know, that's where I feel like that money could run out.

Speaker 8 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 So she could be having a panic of, I need to make a brand real quick so we can sustain our lifestyle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just don't think the jams are are going to sustain the Montecito lifestyle.

Speaker 2 I don't think so either.

Speaker 2 I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 Did you ever live in LA? Because you live in Chicago, yeah?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. I lived in LA for 20 years.
Oh, loved, hated.

Speaker 2 Did not like it. Oh, wow.
I didn't like it. You know, I'm from the Midwest.
There's a Midwest sensibility of, you know, just like, this is down to Irgurth, you know,

Speaker 2 sit on the porch. You drink beers.
The kids catch lightning bugs. That does not happen in LA.
In fact, you don't know your neighbors in LA. Totally.
So I got out of Dodge when Evan turned eight.

Speaker 2 I was like, i need my son to play in fire hydrants ride the bike down the street where i don't think he's going to be kidnapped and um play in the fire hydrant that's really cute i agree next pop culture are you into tick tock at all like do you know the players well alex earlier i don't know the players you don't know the players okay so did you watch dancing with the stars this season i did do you feel like dancing with the stars is kind of a competitor to um mass singer um i was having this conversation with somebody who she was an influencer and she has an amazing singing voice and i was like would you ever go on the mass singer um because we both agreed like we can never go on dancing with the stars it literally seems so hard and i feel like it's really similar you know i i think it's similar in terms of uh possibly casting similar celebrities right we do a lot of crossover but um I guess it would, if you were a dance, if you were dancing with the stars viewer, you might be a mass singer viewer as well.

Speaker 2 We might attract the same people, but I don't look at them as competition.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Yeah.
What do you make of the Kardashians?

Speaker 2 Do you watch your show? I do watch the Kardashians.

Speaker 1 You too. So do I.

Speaker 2 I do love the Kardashians.

Speaker 1 You've interacted with them over the years.

Speaker 2 I did skims. Me and Carmen Electric did one two summers ago.

Speaker 1 I think iconic. It was pretty fun.

Speaker 2 And I showed up not knowing we were going to be doing a 90s old school like red Corvette water hose.

Speaker 2 I was like, I would have

Speaker 2 bikini waxed everything if I known I was crawling in all fours, but nonetheless, it turned out great.

Speaker 1 Was that a high-paying gig?

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 1 It was a fair high-paying gig.

Speaker 9 It was fair.

Speaker 14 Minimal wage.

Speaker 2 Uh-huh. It was fair.

Speaker 2 But I do love watching the show.

Speaker 2 I love Chloe.

Speaker 2 I want Chloe to branch outside her family for guests.

Speaker 1 She's definitely like scarred from this whole life. It's very shocking to watch her because she's always been like the most confident, loud one.
And in recent years, it's very clear that like

Speaker 1 she's scarred from fame. I think she got probably.
Not the brunt, because Kim has always been more famous, but so much of the negativity when it comes to like people who hate the Kardashians.

Speaker 1 They really come for Chloe and her looks for so many years.

Speaker 2 Think about the trauma that she's gone through just outside of that.

Speaker 1 So she's then there's like the Lamar and everything. 100%.

Speaker 2 So she's, she has got a, she's got armor. And I know that armor, but she doesn't want to let anybody else.
And she doesn't even go out. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 But I'm hoping that her podcast, she kind of introduced more people.

Speaker 14 Like I would love to do her show.

Speaker 2 Totally. Everybody, you know, and this is where I think that in my brain,

Speaker 2 I go like, I could totally be friends with Chloe. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 We all think we could be friends with Chloe, but that's why she's everyone's favorite. She's so real.
So real. What do you make about the sisters?

Speaker 1 I feel like every season we have this conversation, but it feels more than ever like they're so, especially Courtney and the others, they're so distant.

Speaker 1 Like there is such a weirdness in their relationship. And of course, they're all on different paths.
Kim is like in her hustle era. She can't stop taking different gigs.

Speaker 1 And Courtney is the total opposite, breastfeeding her eight-year-old. So what do you make of like the sort of shift and that there's really like a divide between them?

Speaker 2 There is. I think therapy is its own main character in the show.
Kim might call it the nemesis in it, because

Speaker 2 I do think there's some truth to when Courtney got into therapy. I will say she found her voice.

Speaker 1 Yes. It was a good thing for her until a certain point.
Correct.

Speaker 2 I think, and I can understand, you know, in therapy where you learn, hey, maybe my mom cheating on my dad caused me to have resentment toward my mom. And now I have.

Speaker 2 Now that's why I don't, you know, I don't get along very well, or I'm not as close, I should say. So I think therapy is causing a lot of

Speaker 2 stuff to come up. Yeah.
And the Kardashians always talk about that they learn to just brush things under the carpet.

Speaker 2 I think as time goes on, we're going to see now that they're all in therapy, things come to a head even more.

Speaker 1 And I feel like the show has gotten better because there was a couple of years at the end of the E and then the beginning of the Hula where like it wasn't my favorite.

Speaker 1 They were just like fake storylines. I do feel like they're sharing more now.

Speaker 2 Now, let me just dive into this for a little bit second, if we can dissect this. Is I'm

Speaker 2 always interested how Chris

Speaker 2 like roots for the exes that have hurt

Speaker 2 the daughters. I'm mind-boggled by that.
Now,

Speaker 2 you know, it's like, why aren't you with Lamar? Like, get Lamar back. Or like, Scott should be invited to everything.
It's like, mom, did you see,

Speaker 2 did you watch the other episodes back in the day? Like, I gave him so many chances. I've moved on.
I don't want my ex. Do you want,

Speaker 2 you know, Caitlin to come here? And she's like,

Speaker 2 good point.

Speaker 1 So it goes back to that because I feel like the girls all talk about how amazing it was that their mom and Robert Kardashian after the divorce, it was a little, you know, rough for a while, but overall, they had an amazing childhood with both parents in the house, even though they weren't together.

Speaker 1 And they talk about how amazing that was and how much they appreciated their mom putting aside their differences. And I feel like now she's just taken that too far.

Speaker 1 The way she's like, keeps all these toxic men around, and some of them like are the kids' dads. So I understand it to a certain point.
Me too. But she's doing too much.
Too much.

Speaker 11 Too much. Agreed 100%.

Speaker 2 It's important to get along with the baby daddies, but not, you know, inviting them over to like

Speaker 8 your bed.

Speaker 1 Exactly. My final question for you is, do you watch Bravo?

Speaker 2 It depends which show. I mean, I'm watching The Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 Okay. And what do you make about Rachel Zoe? I love her.
I think it was a good choice.

Speaker 2 I think it was a great choice. You know what? She's given an honest perspective on divorce.
Yes. She's not holding back.
We love her style.

Speaker 2 I think that she's not scared to use her voice, but she's using it also not in a mean, harsh way yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because

Speaker 1 I'm remembering Rachel Zoe, the show on Bravo, where she was like really mean. That's not at all what she was giving.

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 1 She seemed lovely and she's wealthy and stylish.

Speaker 2 And that's remind you coming out of the gate. You know, everyone send out their representative.
Like she's putting, you know, she's showing her

Speaker 2 boundaries a little bit. Like, you know, don't come for me so quick because I've got, I'm tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the thing about the Beverly Hills women is that like there is definitely a hierarchy.

Speaker 1 Like people don't mess with Kathy Hilton because she's Kathy Hilton. And I feel like people aren't really going to mess with Rachel Zoe.
Nobody wants to be on Rachel Zoe's shit list.

Speaker 1 Like they're not dumb.

Speaker 2 No, no one wants to. And I want to be stabbed by her.
So I love going. She's like, oh, free advice.
Does this bad go with this?

Speaker 1 Have you ever been approached for any of those shows? Because you've done reality TV. I have been.
But any, you've been for like housewives? Housewives. Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 I've been approached no for

Speaker 2 Bethany, actually. This is kind of old news, but Bethany emailed me and said, I'd love to have you

Speaker 2 come on to the Housewives of New York.

Speaker 1 When she, in the original or when she came back, when she came back.

Speaker 2 I love that. And were you living in New York? I was, I was like, girl, I'm living in Jersey.

Speaker 2 I'm living in Hoboken. I don't know if I, but you know, no one lives in the city that they say they're from.

Speaker 9 Right.

Speaker 2 But, um, and then also, um, when they were going to do Housewives Chicago, I was asked, but I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not housewife. I'm a avoyer of it.
Um, I'm a dissector of it.

Speaker 2 If I was on the show, I'd be like,

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you'd be recording podcasts. I would just be like, loving.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 1 if I had to, if times got some. Right, of course.

Speaker 16 You never know.

Speaker 2 You never know. That's why I say never say never.
Of course.

Speaker 1 But yeah. When did you live in Hoboken? Was that during the Blue Bloods?

Speaker 2 That was during my

Speaker 2 Sirius XM years, my seven years.

Speaker 8 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And you were married to Donnie then? Yes.
I was married to Donnie.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 The life of Jenny McCarthy.

Speaker 2 Did you get my beauty package from? I did.

Speaker 1 You're also the founder of a makeup brand. Yes.
Super clean. Super clean.
That's very important to you. Can you brag about it?

Speaker 2 Go for it formless beauty i created this out of a desperate need because i have so much stuff wrong with me i have an mthfr gene mutation if you don't know what that is i listen to you on the skin 60 of the country has it especially if you want to get pregnant you guys please test for it because we were finding that a lot of moms who have kids with autism have this genetic predisposition oh wow which lowers your glutathione which is why they say don't take Tylenol.

Speaker 9 It lowers your glutathione.

Speaker 2 So there is a connection. That's why I think it's really important to tell people.
So you want to to use products that are super clean because your body can't detox. Got it, got it.

Speaker 2 So, anyone that has sensitivities or just cares about ingredients, like our mascara is one of the only ones, not one of the only ones.

Speaker 2 We are very few of them have them out there without the hormone disruptors in there.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 If you are breastfeeding, if you are cautious, if you don't want a diagnosis, or if you've got lupus or autoimmune conditions like myself or allergies, this brand we created so clean and we just launched in Sprouts of Goat You.

Speaker 2 Well, I know. So, we're in 480 stores.
We got to go test it in person.

Speaker 1 And you started totally on your own.

Speaker 2 I started with three lip glosses only to see if people were interested in true clean beauty.

Speaker 6 Right. Because everyone says they're clean.

Speaker 2 And guess what?

Speaker 1 They're not. Well, the thing is, is, and I've never been particularly like a clean person until I got pregnant.
Yeah. And I didn't really know that that could expand.

Speaker 1 I did think a lot of like clean beauty was a marketing thing. And I do think that a lot of the products that are marked clean are not.
They're not.

Speaker 1 And I made a TikTok like doing my makeup when I was pregnant and I was using the Milk Hydro Grip Primer. And somebody was like, you can't use that.
It's not breastfeeding safe.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I'm not breastfeeding, excuse me, pregnancy safe. And I'm like, there's makeup that's not pregnancy safe.
I had no idea.

Speaker 2 When I go live, so many pregnant mamas come on my channel and like, I'm pregnant. I'm like, we made this for you.

Speaker 1 That's so crazy that like you can.

Speaker 1 That like there are makeup products. Like what's really in them if you can't use them when you're pregnant? It's kind of chilling to think about.

Speaker 2 The parabens, the phthalates, those are cancer-causing agreements for formaldehyde, the hormone disruptors alone. They're still heavy metals.
You're going to find a lot of lead

Speaker 2 in makeup. So we followed the environmental working group guidelines and they gave us a list of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients.
And you have none of them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, none of them. We've formed a whole beauty brand around that.
That's why we belong in Sprouts because people care about ingredients.

Speaker 1 That's very cool. It's called Formless Beauty.

Speaker 2 Formless Beauty.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like maybe you want to make coat toast for, you know, maybe 5% or 10% off? Just a suggestion. I would love to.

Speaker 2 So why don't we do 10? Okay.

Speaker 1 You guys are welcome. Yep.
Jenny, a pleasure, really, honestly.

Speaker 1 Cannot wait to just see what you do next. And we're really looking forward to the Jenny McCarthy podcast era.
We had the Playboy era.

Speaker 1 We had the Sirius XM era. We had the reality TV era.
We had Mass Singer era, but we're ready for your podcast era.

Speaker 6 And then please come on my podcast and please think about a singer sometime.

Speaker 1 I would love to just ask me. I'll be there.
Like, you know, I'm so desperate and thirsty. Like, yeah, I would love to sing.

Speaker 1 I sing at the karaoke for like the homeless man outside. I will sing on TV.
I love it.

Speaker 9 All you have to do is ask.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. And yes, I would love to come on your podcast.
Guys, this was our last interview for the year. I hope you enjoyed every minute of it.
And we will see you on the next one. Love ya.
Bye.

Speaker 4 Nava comodarte un gustaso por tam poco.

Speaker 18 Los extra value meals están de regreso.

Speaker 19 Gana por la mañana con el extra value meal, sausage, mcmuffin with egg, hash browns, and a cafe.

Speaker 19 Poros and dolaris. Bara ba ba ba.
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