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Good morning, millennials, and welcome back to the toast.

Yeah, that's right.

The one and only the toast.

The toast.

The toast.

It's so crazy how my life revolves around bread, but it turns out that it always has.

Like, it's toast.

It's so funny.

I never think about the word toast other than to be like the thing in which we podcast.

I don't associate our brand with bread.

I really associate it with clinking glasses.

Like maybe that's the stage of life that I'm in.

I'm still thinking about like champagne toasts, not bread and butter.

No, it's both.

Even when we're doing like a toast, it's the toast.

It's really crazy to think about.

Even when we were trying to think of a name for a sandwich shop,

like the toast, anything to do with toast.

It was so obvious.

It's so obvious, but we just, we don't embrace it.

So today is a fabulous day.

It is a day that, you know, puts me on edge because we were not the last people to use this studio.

Right.

Oh, yeah.

You are like looking like there's

so paranoid.

Just hold on one.

Let me just check one thing.

There's a ghost of morons past.

Ben was in here recording Good Guys actually with La Tard.

Yes, I am on Good Guys because so we haven't even spoken about the sort of housekeeping announcement for the end of summer.

Jackie and I are going on hiatus.

What is it?

The last week of August?

Yes.

And so the good guys heard about that and they, you know, they're nothing if not exploitative.

I was going to say opportunistic, which is also mean.

And so, you know, Ben was like, oh, the toasters are gonna be looking for you for a week.

Why don't you come on, good guys?

And he caught me in a low moment.

You know, I was like, okay.

And then yesterday he- Sometimes you don't have a good enough reason to say no to something and it's actually easier to say yes and just do it than to try and weasel your way out.

And he, you know, he wasn't letting me out of it.

He immediately sent a calendar invite, which was really crazy to do to your wife.

And yesterday, I'm laying by the pool enjoying my swirly summer.

And then, you know, my alarm goes off.

Oh, it's time for good guys.

So I'm on the good guys.

guys.

I hate to say it was a fabulous episode.

We were giggling.

Oh, and I did give an update that I did want to update.

It's only fair that I say this.

So yesterday.

Yesterday was playing awful.

You can say that again.

I don't know that one.

Yesterday was playing awful.

But that's not now.

It's then.

Together at last.

Together forever.

Got it.

I told a story on the toast yesterday about Bethany Frankl, and it is my civic duty because I did sort of like put a spotlight on this.

She made a TikTok, like apologizing to John Malani, and I did find out like right after I recorded yesterday's episode that Bethany told the event people that she wasn't showing up, that she wasn't able to come two days prior.

So they still put her name on chairs at John Malani.

We start to talk about the event people who have misspelled, who have left empty chairs of people who two days before said that they weren't coming.

So she, I don't know how Bethany heard that.

I'm sure somebody told her because there was like thousands of people at the event.

And she made a TikTok yesterday being like, I'm sorry to John Malani.

Something happened to me two days before and I was having such bad anxiety that I canceled my plans for like the rest of the weekend.

And I told, she said, I told the people that I wasn't coming.

And you know what?

That's fair.

That's valid.

And I think that's really unfair to Bethany.

Maybe they knew Bethany Frankel wasn't coming, but they thought Bethany Frankl was coming.

Maybe, maybe.

And can I just say, not to make everything about me, like, I was slightly relieved that she didn't show up because like.

How could you have focused on John sitting next to Bethany?

Not only that, like, she's kind of scary.

Like, she's this major, like big personality.

Like, I feel like she's intimidating.

Scary is the wrong word.

And I was like low-key, like relaxed, enjoying the show without Bethany.

yeah like i she's just sort of like legendary in her own sort of way and i'm not gonna lie like yeah i was afraid to sit next to her and ben was like do you want do you want me to sit next her and you can sit on the other side and i was like no that's the worst thing but would you have wanted to chat to her as they say on love island uk um what i would have i wanted to pull her for a chat yeah no you wouldn't have no i feel like you guys would actually get along No, for sure.

Like, don't get it twisted.

Like, if I, I am Bethany at her age.

Like, I'm on my way to being Bethany.

Hopefully I have a house in the Hamptons.

Like, hopefully I

built the empire that she has built.

Like, hopefully, God willing, like, I would love to be Bethany.

But, you know, it's, that's the hard part of this job.

It's like commenting on people and things and then having to see people and things that you talked about.

Yeah.

People and things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

People and things.

Yeah.

It poses sort of a complicado situation.

And what's so crazy, it's not even the extremes.

Like it's not even I'm worried about running into Justin Baldoni.

Like I would be completely fine with that.

It's like people that you've just spoken about, period.

It's weird to talk about someone and then to know them.

Oh my God.

That's it.

Like even if you said totally innocuous, nice things about them.

It's like you were talking about me on your podcast and you're, and now I'm having lunch with you.

Like that's wrong.

Oh, speaking of, I don't even know why I just thought of this.

I have to thank you.

So we've been swirly summering for like 11 weeks.

I have read as of as of yesterday, I've read one book and I started it a week ago.

Like I completely, even though I thought this was going to be like my big summer reading week, whatever.

I mean, summer reading, whatever.

I just haven't been pulled to my Kindle.

I haven't been reading.

And then I forced myself to read.

I had AI pick a book for me and I asked ChatGBT to recommend something.

And it was a piece of shit.

It was called The Last House Guest or whatever.

It was bad.

Like, what did you rate it?

Two.

Oh, that's really bad.

Okay.

Yeah.

Then I was looking for a book, looking for a book, and I was just ready to give up and like, go smut, which like whenever I can't find a book, I just give up and go smut.

And it's like, not what I want to be reading.

Yeah.

Jackie made a recommendation.

I was like, you know what?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I, I'll read Bye Baby.

That was a Redhead's choice.

And it was the same author as Tell Me Lies.

It was like her big book after Tell Me Lies, which was huge.

And then made a TV show, obviously.

Let me tell you, this book is the best thing that's ever happened to me.

It might be the best book I've ever read.

I'm in, like, I don't want a podcast I want to read.

Like, the book is so good, and I need help from the community.

I need people to tell me, like, what genre is this?

Because this book reminds me of it's like influencer fiction, it's influencer-lit, it's like mean girl-lit.

Like, one of the main characters is like bitchy, and funny, and mean.

That's really why I liked Luckiest Girl Alive, main character.

She was so funny and bitchy.

It's like wine mom-lit.

Is it?

No, because I feel like it's like, no, that also includes a million other things, like leanne moriarty who we love yeah this genre like eliza starts a rumor by baby that one husband um with the lipsticks on the cover hunting wise yeah this book reminds me bitchy momlet influencer because one of the girls is an influencer momlette with an influencer in the mix and i don't know the author's personal life but like the way she totally nails like mom fluencers, micro-influencers in New York, the New York, the rich women of New York, where they go, what they do.

Like they catch.

It's not so obvious.

It's not like they're going to like the plaza.

Like what you think of when you think of like rich New York, it's very new

and also very current.

Like if you read the book in a few years, those places might not even be open anymore.

Yes, but like they're doing core power and Melissa Wood.

She was not like sale cycle, which we all know.

Everyone goes to the box.

It's a very insider.

And I love that.

I'm like, I'm so excited to see who gets name dropped next.

Like, next thing I know, she's going to be listening to The Toast.

Like, it's very

on point in the references.

So we did, we read By Baby for the Redheads.

Oh, and I cannot wait to listen to the Redheads.

We had a conversation about the references because some of the redheads did not like that and surprisingly margo doesn't like it and i was like but margo it's literally you go to core power you go to these restaurants she was like it's too close to home i think it's weird i'm like oh i like it i think it really sets the stage and it really helps me picture these fabulous grammar c young moms and i actually i i'm not a mother and i don't know you know the experience of becoming one but i feel like she kind of nailed because this is a person who's like so vapid right cassie the character though you go back in her childhood she's like the worst right she breaks up with the guy because his house in aspen was really small like like

she's super shallow and that's not a person you would think is capable of like deep like that and she marries very rich you think she would just like pawn her kid off on a nanny but she even before like the traumatic thing she's such an involved emotional connected mom i feel like she nailed what that experience is like too yeah i she is kind of shallow cassie but like it's not one

not kind of it's not one-dimensional like that because it's not like she's shallow in all regards there are levels of depth to her i also liked in the beginning when Cassie's like going about her evening, she's like, I should just like hop onto stories and like update everyone.

And they put in quotes like what she says.

And it was like, hey guys, just popping on here.

Just popping on.

I got this nightgown that I love.

I just want to say goodnight.

Like the way it was.

Size up if you are.

No, she nailed influencer culture.

Some books when they talk about influencers, it's so cringe and it's like clearly lacking a knowledge on the subject.

No, this girl, this author definitely is like an influencer in her life.

Like just the way you talk and the way you, this association you have of your phone, like it's really, I'm loving the book.

It's like reinvigorated in my love for reading.

I've literally read 10 books this year, which sounds like a lot, but it's not.

No, I'm in the same place.

I've only read Red Hood's books this year.

I just finished Love and Other Words by Christina Lauren, which is probably one of my top three favorite books and Jackie didn't like it.

No, I didn't dislike it.

I just didn't connect with it the way that you and Margo did, but I wanted to read another Christina Lauren book because we read Paradise Problem for the Redheads by Christina Lauren.

I didn't like, I liked it a lot.

You should read it.

It's good.

I didn't love it, but I was like, I want to read what people love about Christina Lauren.

So I read Love and other words and it was exactly right for the moment a few days worth of reading great and then i now i'm in a reading mode too i feel like we've like shifted maybe because olympics are over we have like time for reading so i had to go to my tbr list of like what have i even been wanting to read there was one other book that i wanted to read this summer and i chose it for redheads next because i don't know when i would read it right and only i only read redheads books so that's husbands and lovers by beatrice williams i actually saw margo started it i was like you're starting the redheads book it's for october she was like this is the redheads Redheads book.

That's classic Margo.

So she had to stop, but she said it was really good so far.

I just did want to ask people, like, I like this book.

What is this genre?

And please, if you know of similar books, like rich women, being bitchy, maybe a little Instagram in there.

Love New York, but I'm open to other things.

Please drop it in the comments.

Like, let this be a stream of consciousness of people's like book recommendations and thoughts.

Yeah.

But so far, the running list we have, By Baby.

You know what this book reminds me of?

But I didn't, I, and I like People Like Us, the Jenny Mullen one.

City of Likes is is what it's called, and yes, that's exactly what I was gonna say.

There is another book called People Like Us about an influencer, but I don't think it's very good.

Yeah, no, it reminds me of City of Likes.

The only problem with City of Likes is I fucking hated the main character so much to the point where like it stopped me from enjoying parts of the book.

Whereas, like, there are times where I actually like Billy, and there are times when I like Cassie.

They're both like flawed people, obviously, there's kidnapping involved, but like there are parts where I like them and giggle.

So, it's I'm really enjoying it.

I'm so glad.

I am in a totally different spot now.

I'm reading a non-fiction book called Bad Therapy, and it's about like the crisis crisis of self in the gener new generation of just like answering the question like, we have more mental health services than ever.

Mental health is the biggest it's ever been as a topic.

Like we're constantly servicing, constantly stigmatizing wellness, this and that.

Why is this the most unhappy,

depressed, anxiety-filled generation of all time?

Like, how is that the case?

Yeah.

I feel like we always ask that question, but nobody aims to solve it.

It's just like, is, but that makes no sense.

Cause like medication, if it's successful, like would decrease the problem, not preside over its increase.

Right.

And what is the book conclusion?

Well, I'm 30%

of the way through, but like the conclusion is sometimes, I mean, there's a lot of different things, but most of these mental health counseling, there's counseling in schools, it's counseling everywhere.

And like sometimes you need to just like repress and move forward.

Oh, like not every feeling needs to be talked about all the time because then you stew in it.

And feelings aren't like these intrinsically like reliable things.

Also, feelings are fleeting.

Emotions are very like fragile.

And sometimes your emotions are not a clear indicator of what's going on.

It's just like a personal thing.

That's how you feel.

It doesn't need to be, not every single emotion needs to be given into.

Like you'll make yourself sick and make yourself crazy.

Yeah, that's how I feel about like marital problems, not like problems, but like when you fight with your husband, like, and because Ben and I, oh my God, okay.

So yesterday, Ben and I went for a hike.

And then you text me and you're like, oh, we're at the farm.

Like, do you want to come?

So we met you at the farm and like, Ben had already taken off too much time for the hike.

So he was like, listen, like, I got to get home.

I'm like, just drop me.

And between like the navigation and then the traffic and then him dropping me and too much time on the way back, we were like getting like a little pissy at one another, like really so dumb, but like he was arguing like with himself.

Let's not get into it.

And whatever.

An hour later, we get home.

We had such a great time at the farm.

We ate roasted corn.

We got, you know, fresh things for the house.

And we're like back to our regular, we're not like fighting anymore.

And it was like so stupid.

But he's like, listen, I just want to like clear up like what happened.

I'm like, actually,

what if we just didn't?

Because unless you feel so strongly like about this argument in the context of our marriage like this is one that I think we should just move on from like it was like high anxiety I couldn't find the GPS you were stuck in traffic you like it was just throwing a was in the car being so fucking annoying like what if we just chalk it up to like you know stuff that happened that doesn't need to be talked about and of course he was like no let me just say let me just say I'm like okay if but I just I'm like you know not everything like it's okay to smoke needs to be like dissected it's not a indicative of a larger issue.

Like you're allowed to have a bad moment.

Like sometimes like we're speaking different languages.

Yeah.

No, that literally happened to me last night.

That happens all the time and just like accepting like this doesn't mean like this isn't an indictment on our marriage.

It's just like, oh, we had a stressful moment.

Okay.

We're human beings.

Yeah.

No, with and like a lot going on.

Right.

No, that's kind of like my new thing.

Every time Ben speaks, and maybe it's just me silencing him.

I'm like, before you talk, and I'll 100% listen, I promise.

Are you 100% sure that this is like an argument you don't want to just swallow?

Cause it doesn't have like a major implication on our marriage.

And 10 out of 10 times, he's like, yeah, I'm sure.

Like, I want to talk about it.

I'm like, okay.

He hasn't like reached this level.

And no, and he thinks I'm enlightened.

He thinks I'm only doing it to him.

Like a net, if I have a feeling, I'll talk about it.

But no, I just swallow it and move on.

Right.

I don't have like a referendum of swallowing.

I'm not sure if you're going to write down all the things that you've swallowed, except that's you holding on to it.

So we talked about really let it go or else it will eat you up inside.

But that's part of this book also.

Wait, just really quickly, we talked about that on Good Guys last night because Josh Peck like.

said this phrase and I didn't agree with it.

Like there are two people in a marriage, one who's keeping score and one who's losing.

and i feel like the person who's not keeping score is winning like i'm not keeping score

i didn't agree with it at all we went back and forth like talking about it and i

i don't keep score ben does he we just had this conversation he was like well you did that the other day i'm like are you seriously keeping score no i don't keep score and then when i but i'm like you've done this or that before and they're like when i'm like i had to let it go

to survive

so like because i didn't keep score but like yeah not keeping score will set you free people who ask for examples in arguments like seriously i the devil.

No, but I know I'm not an encyclopedia, but I did that too.

But I asked for examples sometimes too.

Like, I need citations.

By the way, you ask for examples a lot.

You're like, like, what?

No, because I want to know.

Yeah.

Because I, like, that way I can know what you're freaking talking about.

And I want to say, I understand why people ask for examples in an argument.

Like, obviously, you can't just say anything.

Of course, of course, of course.

But seriously, fuck off.

Like, it's so annoying.

No, I'm fine with you asking for examples.

It's a good question.

I just, I can't give them to you because I had to let them go.

He's like all those examples i swallowed them so they're no longer in the room with us

oh my god i just know they were there jackie there's a trend going around on social media i've been meaning to tell you about that's so you coded have you heard it no very demure very mindful no so it's all about moving through life in a very demure very mindful kind of way it's like see how i get how i see how i show up for work very demure very mindful people just share things throughout their day like when they're just being like little cute little girlies like Let me think of an example.

Like I just saw one.

See how I exit the plane?

Very demure, very very mindful.

Like everybody's standing like an animal and you're just sitting waiting for your turn.

It's literally you and a trend.

Like, see how she podcasts?

Look at her little cross legs and her little hands.

See how she podcasts?

Very demure, very mindful.

I like that trend.

I know.

And the person who started it is so funny.

It's a great trend.

And I think it's also a great thing to be encouraging young people to be, you know, demure and mindful.

I would agree with that, but just don't be too mindful, you know?

There's such a thing as too much, which also is what I'm learning from this book.

And also, like, just so many things.

I would recommend this book to anyone who like this this remotely sounds interesting to.

It's like I want someone else to read it just to have someone to talk about it with because it's fascinating stuff.

And I think there's a lot that we can learn because I think there's a lot that we're getting wrong as a society.

Like even if someone's struggling, like sometimes you shouldn't like set the bar lower for them because they're like going through something.

If anything, high achievement will make them feel good about themselves as opposed to like thinking that they're deficient.

Yeah.

You just sounded like, I'm laughing because you just sounded like somebody like at a fat camp, like high achievement will make you feel good and then it reminded me I was just watching

it's like so narcie to say but it's true like kids these days like go to college and they're scared to go to college they're not even getting I can't like you know I can't speak on this but my experience is different they're not even going out and getting their licenses because they're just like scared of everything okay but like I said you sounded like somebody at fat camp and I saw a story today I'm sure you didn't pick it about l king I did not pick it.

She went on a podcast and like really spoke very openly about her relationship with her dad.

A lot of people don't even know that she's like quote unquote a Nepo baby.

I don't think she associates with that because she like did it completely.

She did not want people to know who her dad was.

She changed her name.

Yeah.

Her name was Rob Schneider from like all the Adam Sandler movies.

And they have a very complicated, I want to say bad relationship.

However, she shared, and so many people tagged me in this TikTok clip, that she at a young age was sent to a fat camp.

And

she said there was a summer, there was a summer where she sprained her ankle or like broke her ankle.

So she really lost no weight because she couldn't do any physical activity.

And she got in so much trouble.

From who?

From her parents, her dad.

I guess it's like a waste of money.

her dad was really hard on her.

She had to sprain her ankle.

No, of course not.

Even though, like, if you went to fat camp and you knew the culture, like, a sprained ankle was seriously like the best thing that could happen to you.

You got to sit out of everything.

And if you went to fat camp and sprained your ankle, you would still lose weight through the pressure.

Because it's not just from the activities, it's also from the food.

I did want to know which fat camp she went to.

Well, where'd she grow up?

LA, right?

So there's one out there.

Yeah.

It was like a sister to ours.

A sistered.

A sistered.

So yeah, you just reminded me of that.

Sorry.

So we're both on our reading grinds couple of bookworms.

What can I say?

What are the vibes of the stories today?

I actually didn't really...

Random, but deeply interesting.

Each one, like, it's five that could have gone in any order, probably.

And each one is its own world.

I would love to just put...

out there for episode titles, random but deeply interesting.

That's so us.

That is so us.

Like today we're going to talk about like the craziest, dumbest things happening on the internet, but also like, are we over therapizing Generation Z?

We are.

That is the moral of the story.

Like, you don't always have to ask someone how they're doing because more often than that, that's a leading question that will, nobody's happy all the time.

And like, when someone asks how you're doing, like, you're inclined to like say, oh, well, you know, my foot hurts.

Yeah.

But you know, my foot does hurt.

And then like, if you're, if you are stuck in that moment, like, you're like, oh, I am in a bad way.

Like, today's going to be a bad day.

And it can change the course of your day.

Yes.

And also, like, what they're doing in schools, the counselors.

But, but, Jackie, what you're talking about.

They're not counseling.

What you're talking about really feels a lot like mindfulness, right?

Like you.

Mindfulness is a part of

joy, like and how your days can unfold.

Yes.

But like you don't need to be mindful every minute of the day.

Why don't you go do something and have fun?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Again, work for work at something and make yourself feel good about that.

Totally.

Yeah, I love that.

I really do.

You should read the book.

It doesn't sound like of it.

Now I'm getting to a point where like I feel like I got the point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean?

She's sort of like harping on the topic.

You know, she's like showing all these different examples, which it's like, but I get it now.

So I feel like anyone, even if they just read like the first 20%, would be like, oh, damn.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

So it's good stuff.

I feel like we should dive in.

Oh my God.

How the time has just flown by.

What did we even talk about?

But we also started recording like a few minutes before we were ready.

So that maybe was like six minutes.

So no, it was four.

I checked.

Oh, it was?

Oh, okay.

Okay, cool.

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Okay, our first story.

Aaron Rodgers' epic family feud is revealed.

I can't believe this story is in the news.

Like there is a new book about Aaron Rodgers coming out.

It is called,

what's it called?

Something, that mystery of Aaron Rodgers.

And his parents gave an interview for the book.

Wait.

So like literally, this is what it is.

That is so messy.

Aaron Rodgers stopped speaking with his parents in the winter of 2014 when his girlfriend, actress Olivia Munn, was living with him in Green Bay.

Ed and Darla Rogers had visited their middle child before an early December home game and enjoyed a pleasant conversation with the actress.

They left town believing that there was no problems among them.

Rogers then played a dreadful game at Buffalo, posting a career-worst 34.3 quarterback rating and a 21-13 defeat.

According to sources, Olivia Munn called his parents that night and blindsided them with an angry rant about their plans to see Aaron again when the Packers played at Tampa Bay before Christmas, a game that the Rogers family members planned to attend as part of a Disney World trip.

The actress made it clear that she did not want her boyfriend's parents meeting them or attending the game.

Ed and Darla explained that they had been attending Aaron's game since he was a kid and did not need her permission to continue doing so.

She declined to comment for this book through a representative.

Ed and Darla said that they did not make any disparaging remark that might have set off, that might have set her off.

The only thing that Ed said was, quote, you haven't been on the scene very long.

You're just his girlfriend.

We're his parents.

I mean, that's like a harsh thing to say.

It's a crazy thing to say.

It's a harsh thing to say.

Obviously, the mood was tense if he had to say that, but it's it's not an untrue statement.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But is Aaron involved with this book at all?

No.

So then Ed and Darla made the trip to Tampa Bay to see the game.

They did not see their son, according to sources.

He later sent an email.

Ed and Darla.

I thought you were saying Ed and Darla.

I'm like, is that the writer of the book?

No, the parents.

Oh, okay, okay.

Ed and Darla.

Aaron later sent a love email to family members that affectedly said, Don't attack the woman that I love.

Then the book goes on to talk about all the other people that he's cut out of his life.

At some point, he's just a cutter-outer.

Got it.

Okay.

Classic.

And

at the same time, Olympia Munn did not help her own cause.

The Christmas gifts that Ed and Darla had sent to their son and his girlfriend, rather than re-gift them to someone else or offer them up for charity, Munn insulted her boyfriend's parents by rejecting the presents.

She wasn't interested in accepting any gestures of appreciation from them and sending them back to the Rogers home.

Okay, I just want to say, like, family.

fights, like in-laws, those types of fights, like are so deep, right?

And they're so crazy.

And it's, I really cannot come to any sort of conclusion hearing from just one side of the family because there's Ed and Darla's side of the story, there's Olivia Munn's side of the story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle, right?

So, this is how they perceived it.

But to me, this story makes no sense, and there's clearly like a little bit of context missing.

Maybe there was an awkward, like, you don't say, Why did they randomly one day just say to Olivia Munn, like, you're just his girlfriend?

Like, what?

Why did she randomly say to them, you can't come to the gate?

Right.

That came before you're just the girlfriend.

So, I feel like maybe if I read the book, I would have a little bit more of a clue on the timeline of things.

But based on this summation, it feels like big chunks of a larger story are missing.

And it's really unfair to come to any conclusions about what happened between Aaron and his family and like blame Olivia Munn if we're only hearing from his parents.

Like, of course, you're going to hear someone's side of the story and it's like, oh my God, how could that happen to you?

Yeah, of course.

That's like with anything, but at least we're getting now like incidents, an incident report.

I don't know.

Over there was the 2014 game.

They came, he played badly.

Then she called and said, don't come to the game.

There's obviously something missing.

I don't think that they, she would just say, don't come to the game because he played badly.

They've been going to his games forever.

There's also something missing because these two people have been broken up for literally 10 years and he still doesn't talk to his family.

So at some point, the break between the Rodgers family has nothing to do with Olivia Munn.

Yes, but I think also the author's trying to make the point that once he cuts people out, they are cut.

For good.

It's...

He did it with a friend, they said.

It's kind of crazy that Aaron Rodgers is like at the level where like biographies are being written about him.

Like that happens with like Harry and Megan.

I agree.

It's called Out of the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers.

That happens with presidents.

Yeah, like Harry and Megan.

I mean, they get like similar spoken about it.

In most recent memory, like that's the last time I feel like something like this has happened.

To me, it's like Elon.

They wrote the book.

Okay, similar.

It's a biography.

This is kind of crazy, no?

Especially if Aaron isn't participating.

It doesn't seem like sanctioned by Aaron.

Right.

Elon participate in that book?

He did.

He gave him full access to everything.

And then Elon never read the book.

Got it okay um

i don't know and maybe i'm biased which is definitely possible because i'm certainly in my olivia monero i don't know if i mentioned like i went to john mulany so i

really like the life that he sort of very

subtly painted a picture of for us sounds so nice she sounds like such a great mom a great partner um like she's really funny like all the jokes he was making like i don't know i don't see it i'm not seeing it but you don't think also i like bits and pieces of everyone in this story so i'm i am struggling to point a finger but i i never never think it's just one person.

But I also see the other side where it's like the Rogers family is a happy family.

I know.

Everyone gets tight.

They're all tight.

They all get along like that.

Mom raised three successful boys who are like high functioning, good, decent people from what we see.

Like, why isn't he connected with that family?

No, and it's really, it.

No, you're right, because my line of thinking, I said this yesterday about it ends with us.

Like everybody's cool except one person.

Well, the villain is that one person.

That's really, that's how I generally feel.

And I would say like, it's a 99% accurate theory.

Like, yes, but then I think there's also a degree that we can't understand, which is like the fame and how that might, I mean, we can understand.

No, but by the way, no, it's fame in a sector that like all your other brothers are also trying to get into, right?

Like Jordan Rogers was a college football player.

And like, he, I think, would admit he had like a bit of a failed NFL career.

I think the other brother is also involved in football sometimes.

Yeah, so when one person reaches like an elite level of the thing you're all striving for, like, does that make it weird?

Yeah.

So also they're all involved in fitness.

The

the book talks about with Ed being a sports chiropractor on staff at Whole Body Fitness, where Aaron trained next door to Ed's office and with Luke using his brother's image to sell sports themed t-shirts for his apparel company and with Jordan, a former Vanderbilt star following in Aaron's quarterbacking footsteps.

Munn had this to say about when she was talking about it on Andy Cohen's Sirius XM radio show about the Rogers family.

About the Rogers family dynamic.

This is what she said, quote, I do believe that family and fame and success can be really complicated if their dreams are connected to your success.

Their work has a direct connection to what he does.

At the end of the day, there's a lot of complications.

I don't think either side of the road is clean, but I do not think it's, but I do think it's not okay when you try to stand on someone's shoulders and then throw dirt in their face, which is what I think they did with him.

Oh, damn.

Okay, so you know what?

And then Ed to that said, she just made stuff up to make herself look good.

She said this family was dysfunctional before she met Aaron, which is bull.

We were going to all of his games.

We were staying at his house.

We had a great relationship.

Nothing bad was going on.

Darla said, I can think about showbiz families like that, like the Kardashians, climb all over each other for fame and stuff like that.

That's not our family.

Nobody did that.

Okay.

Not you throwing the Kardashians under the bus, first of all.

Second of all, that also, you just reminded me, yes, my theory of like, if, you know, six people say this person's bad, like I'm always inclined to go with the six people, but also there is.

By the way, I'm not even, by the way, like sometimes I think someone's being ganged up on.

Okay.

I usually think like if everybody says you're toxic, you're toxic, you know?

But I think there's also another one of my theories about famous families.

Like, and I think Kiki Palmer talks about this a lot.

Like when you make a lot, especially when you grow up middle class, even poor, and then you end up becoming this, like, basically the earner of the family and you're technically one of the kids, it poses like a very toxic dynamic in the family.

And a lot of people, Kiki Palmer was saying this, like end up on the outs with their family because of it.

So I don't know if my, you know, if six people say you're toxic theory can work here because the added conundrum of fame and yes, everybody else's career sort of being tied to like this success that Aaron has, it's complicated.

This is something I'll never truly understand, but this is also like when people like, you know, go no contact with their families, right?

Like you're, you know, you and your husband don't talk to the mother-in-law because they're toxic.

Like if you talk to the mother-in-law, you'll, you'll see her side 1,000%.

If you talk to the daughter-in-law, you'll see her side 1,000%.

Like, I don't know.

This is something I don't think there's a clear-cut answer on.

I completely agree.

And I think that the fact that they spoke to this author in such a detailed way is a demerit in their column.

I agree.

Like, publicly,

like Olivia Munn spoke spoke publicly.

Aaron has never spoke publicly about them because that's his family.

Olivia Munn has, but she's not related to them directly and they're literally not even together anymore to speak on record about your son.

Like that to me, it is a demerit because it speaks to something in your nature.

Like even if you don't talk to your kid, right?

I don't know what that's like.

That must be so hard.

You still love them, right?

Yeah.

And you're, as a parent, like your gut is always going to be to protect them, no matter what, even if you've been spoken to them in 15 years, like you watched them from afar and I'm sure you're proud of him, whatever.

To go on record and speak like permanently, like in a book,

that's wild.

That's really wild.

Yeah, and super detailed.

They talk about how he bought them a house.

They always wanted to live next to their good friends, the Rubies and Chico.

Oh, they go into.

So when the property opened up next to them on Donald Drive, Aaron bought it for his parents as a surprise for $330,000

and built the house for them on top of the land for more than a million dollars.

Very, very detailed.

It's not taking the high road.

No, that's really tacky.

And then the book out of the darkness and the mystery of Aaron Rodgers, like, and he looks a little, like, he's got a grumpy face on the cover.

It's not a glowing.

Yeah.

It's definitely, you know, trying to

expose him a little bit.

It's not going to be like, oh, Aaron's the great.

I just want to know why we're writing a book on Aaron Rodgers.

Like,

I mean, think about his.

Like in the context of all the football players, like all the greats who are either like recently retired, currently playing, like.

I could think of like 10 people before him.

For sure.

Maybe they do have books written about them, but because it doesn't include Olivia Munn, it's a lot of people.

Nobody cares in our wheelhouse.

So true.

Like, I mean, Tom Rady, if there was a book like we would care because there is so much celebrity fodder, but thing about Olivia Munn is like she's winning.

She is happy.

She is healthy.

She is a mom.

She's living in Orange County.

I don't think she leaves her fucking house.

Like she's fine.

Yeah.

Like her man makes so much money.

She's fine.

She is fine and she's graduated from this drama.

It's not her problem.

You know, like they're kind of like in the slums fighting it out and she's elevated.

Like she's moved on.

Yeah.

But it is a crazy thing.

And we were just talking about it yesterday.

Just talking about it.

We're always like, it comes up every couple of months because it's it's kind of one of the great mysteries of the world.

And I appreciate this author's attempt to get down to the bottom of it.

But unless you're going to speak to people on both sides, you're really not going to get like a well-rounded picture.

And I'm sure Aaron won't talk about it.

I'm sure Olivia won't talk about it.

He will not talk about it.

And he wishes that nobody else would talk about it and just respect the privacy, which I don't think he's wrong.

Speaking on your son's memoir, like without his permission, like that's someone.

It's not a memoir, it's a third-party biography.

The airing family dirty laundry, like that's that's crazy.

So, yes, as you stated perfectly, it's a demerit in their column in terms of like reputability.

So, I'm leaning over to Team Aaron.

I have no horse in this race, you know, me as well.

Like, I don't care.

Like, do what you got to do.

I have no horse in this race, but now, just looking at it, I don't know.

I think you need Shaylene now more than ever.

I think you need Shaylene now more than ever.

I can't lean over.

Somebody calls Shaylene.

Somebody call Shaylene Woodley.

Aaron Todd has a mugats.

Peace.

Whoa.

Next up, Kylie Jenner is gracing the cover of British Vogue for their September issue.

She's the first Kardashian to be on the cover of British Vogue, which she was pretty excited about and shocked by.

She didn't know that.

She thought for sure Kendall had done it.

And she's talking about motherhood, fashion, family, and dating on the DL.

So this piece is really centered around the fact that she is a fashion darling these days.

They followed her at Paris Fashion Week.

And we've been thinking

over the last two years, ever since she had air, that she's really been like hitting the fashion weeks, you know, dressed scapparelly, like very much fashion couture, girly, swirly.

And not only that, the way that they referenced her in the article for so many years, it was like the lipstick mogul, the lip kit,

whatever, legend.

And every time they referred to her in this article, they referred to her as the, you know, the clothing maker.

Yeah, they didn't even know how to refer to her.

There was one point where they were, oh, here, it's like the reality star slash beauty mogul slash mother slash fashion week bombshell slash auspice of society's downfall.

Literally, the Kylie Cosmetics were not in the room with us.

Like, there was no conversation about it, no update.

Like, and I know once you offload a company to like a major conglomerate, like it's no longer your thing.

Like, nobody asks Bobby Brown about Bobby Brown makeup.

She hasn't been a part of the company for 10 years, but Kylie's still like a 50% owner of the company.

Like, she still has a huge financial stake in it.

Yeah.

To me, this article was more so about her as a person, not even the businesses.

Yeah, but even just the way they referenced her was like, it was a clear positioning to me trying to make her out to be more now as like a clothing guru.

Like she said, referenced more Kai than Kylie Cosmetics.

Yeah.

Which was interesting.

It makes sense for Kylie.

I think Kai probably needs more promo.

And the place to promote Kai would be in a fashion magazine.

Yeah.

You know, it is British vogue.

And I think Kylie Cosmetics stands on its own, but like, hey, we're doing fashion.

Check out my fashion line.

I...

watched this TikTok.

It was a clip, like a pretty long clip of a conversation of this, these Australian girls.

They have a podcast.

They were talking about how they watched Keeping Up with the Kardashians for the first time in a really long time.

And it sparred this really interesting conversation where the girl was like, the show was just really insufferable to watch.

It's like the whole season, they are talking about how they never see each other because they're all so busy, so rich.

Their houses are too big, too far apart to walk over and see one another.

The entire season is like, we have to get together.

We have to plan a family trip.

We have to, they plan a family trip.

Literally, like they're on the plane, like Kylie gets off.

And they say, like, by the end of all the episodes that they watched, the family had not even been together once this entire season.

And and the show just feels like this sort of

drab like responsibility like this nuisance that they have to participate in and it got me thinking like about how I haven't watched the show in years and I made a TikTok and I was like

Are you guys watching Kardashians?

Cause there was a time and I'm not like a hater at all.

Like there was a time in my life where like my life revolved around the Kardashians and I'm I've been watching since season one episode one on E like naturally and the general consensus was like, no, like love the girls.

Like I sometimes do tune in, but it's exclusively as background noise.

Like I'm doing my laundry or I'm watching the kids, and like, it's on in the background.

And it was so interesting to me.

And I thought the girls did such a good analysis about like how the show has fallen as far.

And, and I think a lot of people immediately blame like social media.

It's like there's drama within the Kardashian universe all the time, and we know about it the next day.

So, to like see it rehashed like eight months later is kind of boring, even though that's always been the case for them, right?

Like, there was a point where their show was amazing and they were talking about things that happened the year prior, but it was still really interesting.

We were learning new things.

But now, it's like, and what the girls were saying was, like, they are all so wealthy, they're all so famous, and they're all sort of their own universe, their own media empire and for so long i think what everybody loved about them was that yes that was the case but they prioritized family always right and they were always together family dinner with the chef and like that has that has gone in they almost like dislike each other and that's the vibe that comes off in the show and i found it so shocking and i haven't seen the show so i can't speak for myself but everyone was sort of agreeing that that's the the vibe of the show recently.

Do you watch it?

I do watch it.

I like catch up in bursts.

Right.

And like that, among other things, is a feeling that I've had that I also find that it's like phony convers like

storylines them just having like stupid conversations or storylines, which is what they did on old Kardashians, but you would think that now like they don't need to do stuff like that and their show could be whatever they want.

So reality TV has changed.

Like when their old show was on, like you could get away with those sort of plot lines.

Like we were all new to reality TV.

Now we're so clugged.

Like you have to really be serving.

Yeah.

And I do feel like the best part of the show in the past and what it would be best right now is when they are a family.

Like that's why people

loved them.

And no, I don't even need goofy silly like them hitting each other or wrestling.

I love them.

Just being together, having dinner and the fact that they can't get together to do that, but it does also make sense and that is the circle of life.

When people grow up and have kids, you see your family less, but their job is to get together.

So why can't they do family dinner all together?

Yeah.

It would be good for the show and it's good.

Their kids are always together.

And I recognize that everyone's really busy, but is it really that hard to like find one day?

For dinner?

Even if planet six months out.

Yeah, and I do feel like we're at this inflection point.

But I agree that people don't seem to like each other.

This season, apparently, Kim and Chloe are beefing,

which definitely would chip away from the show because their relationship has been like so amazing over the last few years that like and while everyone is kind of like moving on from the show, they're growing whole

growing together.

Yeah, that is shocking.

And I just feel like, and I've felt this way for a while, we are at this inflection point with the Kardashians where they are at a level now where they will always be famous and they will always be rich, but they aren't interesting and they're not relevant, which I don't think makes them unhappy, especially Kylie.

Like, Kylie is a very complicated relationship.

I think if anyone were to be bothered by this, like, it would be Kim.

I think Courtney doesn't mind at all.

I think she probably prefers it this way.

Same with Kylie.

Like, they've made their money, they live their life.

All they care about is like, you know, staying home and being moms.

And the show has never been germane to Kylie's business.

She's been off of it for years.

Yeah.

I don't know.

And they're always like sharing like these graphics.

Like, number one, most global watch Hulu show.

Like, there's no way.

No, I think anyone can make any metric work for them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, number one most global watch Tulane show among women 18 to 35.

In, yeah, in the contigious U.S.

Right, globally.

Right, right, right, right.

It's so true.

Metrics are fake.

I don't think those are lies, but like they...

they could get so specific that like of course you're the number one most docuseries for women like yeah executive produced by women

so that makes sense but maybe also at a certain point it makes sense for them to have their own shows like if kim had her own show about her role because she has so much going on but that would just be sad but the natural course of life, I guess.

But it just shouldn't have to be that way for them because they get to write their own scripts.

And the privilege of being so wealthy is being able to put family first, right?

Like spend every night with your kids.

The thing is, though, they can spend their time how they want.

Most of it, like they still have to work, but they have free time.

They don't want to spend their time together.

That's therein lies the issue.

What's coming through?

Because if they did, if they wanted to, they would.

You know, Kylie's still with Stas.

She's got time for stash.

I mean, Nat and Liv with Kim.

Right.

Lala.

Right.

Chloe and Malik.

Right.

It's so true.

If you wanted to, you would.

Yeah.

I don't know where we go from here, like, with the Kardashians.

And it's so funny how the landscape of media has changed so much since the time that they've been famous, right?

But they've always done this TV show, but the TV show hasn't changed.

And like the world has.

No, the TV show changed when they went to Hulu.

Like it is.

It's really produced.

Yeah.

It's very much docuseries.

It also, each episode is a commercial for one of their brands, which I don't mind if it's good and interesting.

Same.

I remember when the the Chloe was doing like the Good Squad auditions.

Like, that's interesting to me.

I would love to know how that works.

I feel like the last episode I watched, I went to watch the season premiere of the new season.

I wound up watching last season's season premiere, and I was like, I feel like I saw this before.

I was like, maybe I saw it on Instagram because, like, Kim was doing a panel and she ripped her skirt and she was sitting there with her butt out.

And like, she was like freaking out.

I'm like, I don't care.

Yeah.

Like, you don't have another skirt.

Yeah, it's oh, boo-hoo.

And it's not like it was the cra, it was like a latex

and a black laser.

Like, you don't have a backup outfit.

Yeah.

And I'm supposed to have my panties in twists.

For you.

Yeah.

Like, I don't care.

I don't know where we go from here.

She owns a clothing line.

So true.

And I'm not a hater.

Like, I can't stress that enough.

Like, I've long been an apologist.

Yeah.

So I think Kylie's, back to the story, I apologize for the tangent.

Kylie, I think, is of the current.

And I think everybody has their own experience with each of the girls.

Like you go through your eras.

I feel like you're definitely in your Kylie era.

And Courtney.

I was going to say, I think a lot of people are having like a Courtney redemption era.

Like, seriously, she was ahead of her time.

She was ahead of her time.

And you know what?

A lot of the things that she used to complain about the family where we would all be like, oh my God, stop.

You're kind of seeing that reflected in this new show, right?

Yes, but also she was ahead of her time in the sense that like she, ever since she had kids, she became like granola crunchy.

And it was like, oh, Courtney, Courtney.

She literally makes sourdough.

Like avocado smoothie, which I don't do that, but like becoming a mom changed me too.

And maybe other people who had their first children around the same time that she did really related to her journey but now i'm like oh i'm such a courtney and that's like really a natural progression for a lot of women well that's the other thing about the kardashians that people don't realize like even in their prime prime in terms of like fame and relevance they were always a lot older than their fans like i think a lot of people were always surprised when they read the ages of the girls.

And this is what I'm talking about, like the height of the e-show.

They've always been a lot and they've, they

were attractive to people like us.

They're 10 years older than us.

So they're sort sort of experiencing things not really at the same time as their fans.

I don't think other 40-year-old women like are obsessed with the Kardashians.

It's like 30-year-olds, like us.

And I think that makes it complicated for like when you, when you grow up and your fans aren't there.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, that perhaps happened to Courtney.

But now, one, she just had a baby and like it's with the fans who are 10 years younger.

And two, we're seeing like, oh, maybe all these years.

Yeah.

Those years 10 years ago when she like had a baby and we weren't paying attention, she was onto something.

Right.

And that's like, I feel like the listeners of this show are very much like in the same life stages as us, like getting married and and having kids.

And that's why it feels like we're all moving, you know, along together.

Yeah.

But when there is this sort of there, because they're like these hot, sexy things.

And I've like literally for the first couple of years they were famous.

I was like, oh, they're 22.

But when they were like super famous, like Courtney and Chloe, take Miami, they were like 35.

Like

it was like confusing almost.

So I think maybe that has a little bit to do with the disconnect, but I don't know.

And I don't know where they go from here.

No, and also Kendall and Kylie are younger than

us.

Well, that, you know, that

helped the business too.

Yeah, but they don't do anything the way that they should.

Yeah, they're both like businesswomen

in their businesses.

Yeah.

But the pictures for British Vogue are gorgeous.

It's very esteemed, as we've said, like British Vogue, American Vogue could never.

Yeah.

She's like reiterating a lot of the same talking points that I think she said in previous interviews about like the work that she had done on her face and, you know, being a mom to a daughter, how that changes you.

She talks about her privacy.

She said that, like, I think she has a place in New York now and she's so incognito.

Like, people don't even know about that.

She like wears a hat and a mask and never gets spotted.

Like, she has her privacy down.

That's great.

Like, she can go out and be a normal person.

Go to the supermarket.

She comes to New York to see her man's obsess.

And she was like, Don't blow up my spot.

But, like, we get it done.

We get it done.

Yeah, I love that.

So, I hope she can continue to do that.

Same, same, same.

So, oh, and her and Timothy were spotted getting off her plane.

They are still very much together.

At this point, they've been together for a very long time.

Maybe they'll get married.

Go into the chapel, and they're gonna

get married.

Before you move on to the next story, let me remind everyone that our final live show.

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Okay, are you ready for our next story?

It's our third story.

Yeah, I'm ready.

Speaking of Disney Channel icons, Disney Channel star Skye Jackson has been arrested for domestic battery after a public fight with her boyfriend.

No, seriously.

Ashliante.

Like, what in the world?

Skye Jackson, like, randomly will make news, and it's always shocking to me because she's just a little girl from Jesse.

Yeah, no, to me, she's like frozen in a time capsule.

Anytime she does something, like, that's not something that a 12-year-old would do.

Right.

You're like, why is that 11-year-old getting arrested for domestic violence?

Even domestic violence, yeah, like that's crazy.

That's shocking.

And then she also said to the arresting officers that there was no issue between them.

They're actually engaged and expecting a baby.

Oh, Mazzle.

Okay.

So here are the details.

Sky has joined the ranks of former Disney Channel formal child stars who've had run-ins with the law.

Sam.

She was recently arrested.

TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the actress was arrested last week for domestic violence.

We're told deputies were called to Universal City Walk after security spotted Jackson and her boyfriend getting into it, and the actress allegedly pushed him more than once.

Sources tell TMZ security clocked the altercation and then detained the couple until law enforcement arrived.

Sources say Jackson and her boyfriend both denied anything got physical.

To the contrary, she said they were happily engaged and expecting a baby together.

Deputies say they reviewed video footage and saw she pushed him.

Jackson was arrested for misdemeanor, domestic battery, cited, and released a few hours later.

The case will be reviewed by the LA County District Attorney's Office to determine if charges are warranted.

I don't know, like a little girl just pushing a man?

That's like, that's not domestic abuse.

I just want to say.

I just want to say, like, for a woman to domestically

abuse a man, like, sorry, gender roles are what they are.

Like, we are different than men.

Like, it has, like, I'm sorry.

Like, you don't know, we don't know anything about her man.

Like, it sounds smaller than her.

It sounds like one little shove.

Do you know how small Sky Jackson is?

He could be smaller than her.

I don't know.

I don't, like, multiple shoves.

I think I just feel like there's some, like, something happened.

They don't just like go around arresting people.

Certainly not in LA.

Like, they just let everyone do whatever they want.

It's true.

And considering this is going to the DA's office, nothing will come of this because, again, they just let everyone do whatever they want, not a little girl who's like pregnant.

You're like, leave the little pregnant girl alone.

And if she is pregnant and not just something you say to, you know, hopefully not get arrested.

It's honestly, if that was just what she said, like, please don't arrest me.

I'm pregnant.

Like, honestly, brilliant.

Like, seriously, an amazing.

I don't think she said, please don't arrest me.

I think I'm pregnant.

I think she was like, no, we, we're good.

We're happy.

We're engaged and I'm pregnant.

Yeah.

But I think, like,

if, if she's not pregnant, she could have been using it as like, you know, you would never bother a little pregnant lady.

You know, it's kind of brilliant.

Next time, like, I'm, you know,

evading the law.

Yeah, there's a world in which, like, this was a nothing burger and they're being dramatic.

The description of how you described it to me, like, really sounded like,

but like, not only did they detain them when it happened, they reviewed footage to confirm that, like, something nefarious happened.

So, like, I do think it had to have been something because, as I said, like, they really don't prosecute much around there.

Well, you know what?

I need to see the footage before I make grand statements.

How about that?

I agree with that, but there are two truths available.

And I am aware that, like, women can be physically abusive towards men.

It's extremely uncommon and like from a physical standpoint, quite difficult.

No, but you may like you have to know Sky Jackson.

Like she's so tiny.

She can't weigh more than 90 pounds.

She's one foot tall.

Yeah.

I think she's like five feet tall max.

I just have one thing to say to this.

Uh oh.

So I went to the president of the Disney Channel's office and I said, we're going to make history together.

Is that what Sky Jackson is?

Chronically online.

No, it's this viral interview from Debbie Ryan.

Oh my God, Debbie Ryan.

served Debbie Ryan interviews and like, and the people who have memorized them and say them.

No, no, no.

I went to the office of the president of Disney Channel and I said to him, We're going to make a story together.

I'm obsessed.

She's insane.

She's insane.

Like, she has become like a verb to Debbie Ryan and up, you know, like where you're just really cringe and overly personable and like, like, really sort of erratic in your gestures.

It's very turdy-coated.

No.

There's something so diabolical.

It points to, and it was when she was much younger and she was doing like a lot of red carpet interviews, but it really points to a lack of self-awareness.

And it's really cringe.

And I'm sure she hates it.

Sometimes the lesson, it's just like, say less.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like that.

It's always a good takeaway.

Leave a little mystery like Aaron Rodgers.

Literally.

Anyway, Skye Jackson is 5'2.

I don't know what's next here, but if she is expecting Mazel Tobin, I hope that, you know, you and your mans can work it out on the remix.

Can work it out.

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Our next story, some interesting news.

So, one of Taylor Swift's your ex-man

is engaged.

Okay.

And normally, you're like, why would we care what Connor Kennedy is getting into?

So, Connor Kennedy is engaged to a Brazilian singer, Julia B.

Happy for him, Mazotov.

You're like, genuinely, who cares?

Nobody.

But in the headline, also let me know, Connor Kennedy, which we knew it was a Kennedy, Taylor Swift's ex-man.

Yes, of course, of course.

You know, the house.

Yeah, holiday house.

He's RFK's son.

I didn't know that.

Now, RFK is kind of like a blind spot in my like knowledge.

Like, I, I don't really know much about him.

And whatever.

But there's two interesting facts about him.

At first, there was only just one, and that's the fact that his wife is, is Larry David's wife from

Cheryl Hines.

And the mom from RV, my favorite Robin Williams.

And the mom from Suburgatory, my favorite one-season wonder show.

So to me, that was always been like a really fun fact about him.

Like he's a Kennedy, whatever, he's running for president, and like he's married to the lady from Caribbeanthusiasm.

Now

things are getting interesting.

Shared dinner meals with Miss Taylor Swift.

Okay, but

she's not Connor Kennedy's mom, is she?

Cheryl Hines?

No.

Right.

She's like a second wife.

She's a new wife.

Okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's like, you know, but he would be, I mean, he's not going to win.

I guess I didn't even think about Cheryl Hines as his stepmom.

Right.

And he's not going to win, but like he would technically be like a Jenna Bush Hager if Robert F.

Kennedy was the president.

Yes.

He would be my date with the Brazilian singer.

Right, right, right, right, right.

That is so interesting to me.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know how long and how deep Taylor's relate.

Do you think she was having dinner with his parents?

I mean, she was writing songs about his grandmother.

She was RFK's mom.

She was writing songs about his grandmother.

She bought the house next door because she loves the family.

And she loved that location so much.

Like, I don't think she was staying at the family house without the family that often.

No, and you know, there's a lot of speculation that Taylor is going to come out soon and endorse Kamala, but I think a lot of people are not realizing she's probably going to endorse her friend, RFK.

I think people don't realize that she has a relationship, a close relationship.

I did not have another candidate.

Yeah, no, by the way, that kind of throws a wrench in the whole thing.

And I think in all of her relationship with Connor Kennedy, like it was never about him.

It was always about the family.

No, not, no, but like all the songs she wrote on Red, like about like the lore of the family, I think she was very much enchanted by it.

And I think Robert was a part of that.

Yeah, she was definitely focused on like the Kennedy of it all more so than the Connor.

There was a lot there.

Which is, yeah, I mean, I said, oh my, what a marvelous to.

And it's like Bobby Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy.

She definitely like went down a rabbit hole of like reading books and watching movies about that time period and that family once she became like a small part of it.

And that's just like so girly of her, you know?

Like, who was to say we all wouldn't do the same, you know?

Yeah.

A famous American family.

Like, seriously, we don't have royals and the Kennedys for a very long time.

Carolyn Bissette, like that was very much the closest we ever got to royals.

And you become a part of it dating like one of the offsprings.

I mean, it's huge.

And I feel like when it was happening, we didn't even appreciate it.

Like, I feel like if it happened now, like, I would lose my mind.

Yeah.

But then it was like, why is she dating this?

Like, nobody.

And I thought he was like, I thought he was young.

I guess he's 30 and she's 30.

No, there isn't.

She is.

I don't like to talk about it.

1989.

She's 35.

I don't like to talk.

I don't like to talk about it, but there is like, you know, the haters of Taylor will say like she dated a minor.

She was like 19 and he was like 17.

Okay, stop hating.

Yeah.

It's that's not legitimate.

But I just want to say like she's 34.

Don't be surprised if you see Taylor Chip baking up cookies that say RFK 2024 on them, you know?

Right.

And now we know why.

And now we know why.

She's loyal like that, you know?

Yeah, I just thought that was so interesting and not a fact enough people know about.

I did not put that together.

With a family like that, like you just assume they're all loosely connected.

They remind me a lot of the Baldwins.

Like, you don't know whose dad is who.

The direct descendant.

But this, this is shocking to me.

I kind of need to see a family photo of them, like, just to really put this out of the way.

Oh, I guess, like, here's pictures of him and RFK showing their muscles.

And I feel like maybe at some point I had learned that I don't know why I thought this guy.

Yeah, that's him.

That's Connor.

And that's who she dated?

Well, you have have to go look at pictures of them.

Well, back in the day, he really was very New England, all-American looking.

Look, here's a picture of them.

Like, he had shaggy hair.

He always wore like beach clothes because they were 12.

Yeah.

And she, back in the day, at the time where she dated him, used to dress very matronly.

She was really conservative with her like buttoned up

belly.

High-waisted bikini.

High-waisted, long, you know, T-length skirts.

Yeah.

So they definitely looked like their age gap was bigger than it was, given both of their aesthetics as well.

Like this is the picture.

That's the picture.

Yeah.

The red.

she was in her polka dot era as well she was dressing the part like you have to respect the hustle you really chameleon she is yeah this one yeah wow wow take me back literally because i feel like i didn't know what we had when we had it we definitely didn't appreciate the cultural significance at the time she knew what she was doing i'm telling you she played the part the high-waisted bathing suits lots of polka dots lots of bows in her hair headbands like she knew exactly what she was doing that girl let me tell you and i want to just say like i feel like for him she could have been end game because like he did did marry a singer after he's like engaged to a singer.

Yeah, and let me tell you, I see him all the time.

What do you mean?

He's kind of like a man about town in New York.

Maybe now he'll be moving to Sao Paulo, but like, he's always like every event, like, he's kind of just like a guy, like, he's always there.

Oh, he lives in New York?

Yeah, I was just in the elevator with him at Zerbond.

Like, he's everywhere.

That's so funny that you even like recognize him.

No, I'm like a freak loser.

Like, of course, I would recognize him.

But they live in LA, or she moved to LA to be with him.

Oh, that's nice.

And maybe they're always in you know those LA folks.

Yeah.

Coast coast hopping i'm like waiting with bated breath for the fifth story the fifth and final story why what is it is it the one i texted you

no let me see what you texted me oh because i've been waiting i'm like i wonder why she pushed this one to the fifth oh i thought you were talking about that no okay yeah honestly you wouldn't have liked what i chose for the fifth story oh good about like one of your least favorite people who's one of my most favorite people

Well, not your least favorite.

Who?

Julianne Huff, my girl.

Oh, my God.

We are not talking about Julianne Huff.

And what I, the other story, I thought we were, we were talking about it.

Yeah, yeah, sorry.

I didn't, um, I didn't see your text, but yeah, so there's some major drama in the influencer sphere.

Podcasting space.

Influencing and podcasting subset because Tana Mongeau has banned her co-host, Brooke Shofield, from filming podcast episodes and calls her resurfaced racist tweets horrific.

Now, I want to say, I feel like that headline is really misleading because I watched the clip and she doesn't ban her, but I think a lot of people were wondering.

So let me give you, let me give you a play-by-play, okay?

This is like...

A lot's been playing out recently, kind of slowly, but now it seems like it's all gone to a head.

So there's the pod, everyone knows Hana Mongeau, right?

She's been like internet famous for many years, a YouTuber.

I think she had had a podcast before.

It wasn't like huge, but she has this podcast now called Canceled.

It's huge.

And she hosts it with her friend Brooke, who's like new to the influencer space.

She came on the toast, you guys remember.

Oh, yeah.

And the podcast is really blown up with the two of them.

It's really big.

They pretty much get on and like tell crazy stories about their life.

And they, they, it's basically every episode, they like talk about somebody who was wrong to them, whether it's like a friend or an ex or a relationship.

And then people spend the rest of the week finding out who it is and like leaving comments on that person's page.

It's actually very funny.

It's been really popular.

Brooke has really taken off like in terms of growth on social, Instagram, TikTok.

She is like a darling of Gen Z.

I was so excited to get her on the podcast.

And then, of course, like any good thing, like Ability is a prison.

They found her tweets.

And they're from like 2012, 13.

I think the most recent one is like 2015.

And

the, you know, this on the

snowball and downfall is like the very typical cancel culture you know brands pulling out she had a collab with boys lie that was supposed to happen i don't know if it ever came out boys lie released a statement like why is it not coming out i don't know it's been the same they made everything got the pr I oh did oh is that from the collection I think that's what you were wearing yeah oh I didn't even know um I don't think so actually I'm like 90% sure it's not the same one I think they were just sending us like their regular stuff okay because I don't know if it's coming out it hasn't come out yet um not important

so a lot of people because you know they're this duo and Brooke is really well known.

And it's very interesting if you're watching the landscape because Brooke, I feel like, was on her way to like almost eclipsing Tana in terms of Tana is Tana.

She's been on the internet forever, but like Brooke was just so fast, so furious, so popular.

They just loved her.

What was she doing before this podcast?

Like.

She became friends with Tana and then it all happened like so quickly.

But was she like influencing?

No, no, no.

I think she said on the show, she was a waitress.

She's like a friend of Tana.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She had Tana at a party in LA, like very LA dream, you know?

Yeah.

American dream.

And so the tweets came out, the internet does what it did.

And it didn't help that in my opinion, as somebody who's an expert on this, like

she handled it terribly.

Like really, I think she was just reading every comment and then making a subsequent TikTok video, like crying, apologizing for this one, like she was just trying to appease everyone.

And if you've never been through a situation like that, there's no good way to handle it, but especially if you're so fresh.

to public life, which Brooke is, like, this is all relatively new for her.

And I think she'll probably look back.

The first video she made, she pretty much said, like,

I was racist because I lived with my grandfather.

And if you know Brooke, she has shared that like her parents were both addicts and her grandparents took her in and i do think she'll look back on this time and regret throwing her grandfather under the bus she's like my grandfather listened to rush limbaugh so i was racist like it's goodbye grandpa

like seriously i've got things to do i do think she'll regret that for real but there's nobody can teach you how to how to go through something like this she's really young and i and she's just she keeps making it worse for herself And I think a lot of people were like, well, what does this mean for the podcast?

That's like her main drag.

What does this mean for the podcast?

And is Tana going to say anything?

They're like, Tana really can't say anything.

She was she gonna judge her.

Nobody has more skeletons in their closet than Tana.

Nobody's been canceled more times than Tana.

That's why their podcast is called canceled.

No, when I saw that this was emerging before Brooke had said anything, I was like, Oh, they're like, They're they are canceled.

That's their thing.

They're getting in front of it because their podcast is called that.

Like, you can't cancel people who are canceled and who refuse to be canceled, which I feel like Tana is one of those people.

So, I was like, This is not even going to touch them because it's not like they've ever pretended to be like the

people that haven't

been like well let me have done everything perfectly no let me tell you and this is where I think they went wrong so if you follow what their podcast is about recently they've kind of become like accountability police they're like calling people out for content they've made that they or how they acted at a party they'll go to a party with all they run in like the LA influence everywhere they go restaurant party is influencer it's like what you think of when you think of youtubers and they've kind of used their podcast as becoming like a little bit like the accountability police like holding people's feet to the fire which you never want to be because you have to be a perfect person to do that.

And even if you have the cleanest record ever, someone's going to come and be like, you believe me in high school.

Like, but both of them, there's, I would argue there are things that came out about Tana that are worse than these tweets from Brooke.

She is, you know, called people of color in her life, like bad things, like really bad.

So I was like, there's no way Tana, Tana, of course, and Tana's having this unprecedented success because of her podcast with Brooke.

So there's no way she's going to throw a book under the bus.

First episode comes out since the scandal, Brooke's not there.

And we're like, oh my God, Brooke's fired.

Brooke is not fired, by the way.

And I think that's what's misleading.

People saw the clips and they're like, oh, she's off.

I think Tana said, I encourage Brooke to take time off.

She basically said, like, Brooke's tweets were horrendous.

She condemns them.

She like threw her friend under the bus, even though, you know.

She gave her the listen and learn.

She, yes, she's juggling.

She said unironically, like, she's listening and growing when this was from 2012.

Like, she hit her with the L ⁇ L.

She hit her with the L ⁇ L.

And it was just so ironic.

A, coming from somebody who has worse things to apologize for.

And B,

coming from somebody with the name canceled in their podcast.

like I thought that they had named it canceled.

I'm like, you know what?

That's kind of brilliant strategically because

the nature of talking is that you're going to say something on this podcast that's going to get you canceled, but it's a canceled podcast.

You can't cancel the canceled podcast.

But they are so playing into like influencer.

It's leash trap that they've just walked right into.

It's like cliche, how they're being like, we're listening and growing.

Like it's really kind of corny how they're responding, like very disingenuous and very

what like skits are made about when it comes to influencers and apology videos, the crying, like it's almost like they don't deserve to have their podcast be named canceled because they're literally like, I thought the name was like a sardonic play on cancel culture when in reality, they're sort of reacting in a very stereotypical influencer apology kind of way when I thought like they were like renegades with this podcast title.

Yeah.

The whole saga has been so interesting and I think it's been like a real

playbook and what not to do.

Like they're you can't die in a situation that playbook was already written.

Like, and I feel like something like this hadn't happened in a while.

And I feel like we all have

kind of been fatigued from this.

Like, some of those, they're over 10.

How old is she?

12.

Yeah.

Literally 12.

Like,

I can't believe that.

And when I first saw this, this was coming out.

I was like, oh, people aren't going to like fall for this.

Like, we know that this is.

We've evolved past tweets.

People do.

Like, it's so long ago.

And, like, people change.

And you know that.

It's not like she needs to change today.

Because if you listen to her podcast today and you like the things that she says, then you know that she's a good person or at at least a person that you agree with most of the time and not a bad one so it's not like she needs to listen and and learn now now when over the last 10 years i'm sure she's changed a lot as a person and i feel like people get that this has been going on for so long so like i think to me what's the most shocking it's like this we're still doing this yeah but this and this is I think when you, when their podcast became what it is, which is like calling other people out.

Yeah, no, they've put themselves

in a glass house.

No, it's like every person they've sort of like dragged in recent weeks is just like belly laughing.

What's Clinton Kane doing?

Well, no, Clinton Kane, I didn't mean they had the thing with like Alyssa Violet, like every and for smaller crimes in comparison to what's going on now.

What was Alyssa Violet?

I don't know.

I don't watch.

I just know that they had like some beef with Alyssa Violet and then Alyssa Violet just made a TikTok being like, stay winning in the comments.

We're like, girl, sit down.

Like, it's, I'm seriously like, sit down because like, it's, it's a glass house.

Like, it's just, you stay out of it.

Just stay out of it.

Like, not everyone needs to like comment on everyone and dance on everyone's grave.

Like, it's just unnecessary.

I look at this from a business perspective.

It reminds me a lot of Call Her Daddy, right?

This huge female podcast with two co-hosts.

And Brooke is now off.

And the show was huge.

Like the numbers on YouTube are a million per episode.

And that's not, and they're, I think, known for audio episodes too.

So this is a huge podcast, a huge moneymaker, but Tana owns the podcast outright.

Like, I don't know how Brooke was making money.

Maybe it's like, she gets paid per episode

for a cut, but like the brand is owned by Tana.

So Tana can do as Tana pleases.

And that means like kicking off Brooke.

Like, sure.

Yeah, that makes sense because she started the podcast without her and then like hired her as a co-host.

And so at the outset, that makes sense.

But now knowing they're 50-50 in the work that they do and what they contribute to the show, it's crazy to think that like Tana is her boss.

I want to say like it makes no sense for her to kick Brooke off permanently.

Like that would be bad for the show, considering the show is successful because it's the two of them.

But like these two are seriously making every wrong move possible.

So I wouldn't.

put it past them to not see that.

But like, come on.

No, it's been frustrating to watch because have we like seriously, and I cannot believe like people are still out here not deleting their tweets.

Like, have I taught you nothing?

Has my experience taught you nothing?

Like, I'm in shock.

Shock.

Yeah.

I just can't believe that it has the power that it that it once did because I feel like people have started to like see past it and just understand that like people have changed over time and that everyone like makes mistakes when they're younger.

No, and putting something on social media when you're in high school for like attention and for likes, like you don't even know what you're saying.

You don't know the gravity of words.

You're a moron.

But we're applying that to like somebody 10 years later who's lived a whole full life since then and blaming them.

Like, no, I i mean i i thought that as a society we had moved we had worked through that i thought we had to i thought like you know it no longer had power right but i think it does and that's what we're seeing play out and but i also think when you handle it the way that they've handled it it gives it more power yeah yeah no i think there was a world in which they could have just addressed this head on together in an episode being like boom oh my god this is so embarrassing obviously not reflective of how i feel now you guys know me like yeah you guys have met me if they just tackled it really direct and i think that's what happens and i was guilty when and actually no i think this happens a lot where things resurface very slowly and the influencer doesn't acknowledge it because they're like, okay, it's not at a level yet.

It'll go away.

It'll go away.

It'll go away.

And then it's like weeks and people are talking about you're extending the period instead of just boom, nipping it in the bud, being like, oh, yeah, no, I said that shit, humiliating.

Like, oh my God, I could die.

Obviously, I don't feel that way anymore.

And like, if you read that and it upset you, like, that sucks.

I'm so sorry.

I would never want to be that.

Boom, done.

The end in a genuine way, not like waiting for it to get to a place where you have, where it's unignorable.

That extends the life of the scandal, first of all.

And second of all, it makes you look disingenuous because it makes you look like you're only responding because it's at a point now where it's unignorable whereas like not because you actually care yeah so there is a rulebook to all of this there's just like some it's some better practices yeah but it's been very interesting to see it all unfold and when tana showed up on that podcast alone my jaw fucking dropped because like do you think okay and that's i don't know if this brooks smart but like do you think that that is also a play to kind of to minimize like this podcast is everyone's talking about it wait and they were talking about a lot before no to maximize no no no like tanna showed up alone your jaw dropped no no no no because like no i'm telling you when you're an influencer and like all you care about is like what people think about you right yeah it's like great press no like but it's not no no i know that but like no but nobody wants to be associated with is press like everybody is talking about their podcast and these labels follow you forever yeah like racist transphobic like nobody wants to be called that and by the way she didn't have transphobic tweets i was just saying like those types of yeah of words when you say something where either you don't agree with with it anymore or it gets taken out of context, or you feel like maybe people maybe misunderstood what you said, they call you X, right?

They'll call you racist.

And those labels stick with you forever.

Nobody wants that.

There's no.

No, I'm not saying that they want it, but like

they're leaning in.

No.

I don't think that they are because based on everything else that they've done, like they're not really like

doing anything to better their situation.

But I'm just saying, like, her showing up alone is kind of a bombshell.

And like, everybody's talking about this podcast.

Yeah.

Whereas a lot of people were talking about it before, but now it's like reached into a problem.

I'm just saying, like.

no, it's been really interesting to see the whole thing unfold.

I don't know where we go from here.

And I'm curious if Brooke was

like not sometimes like it's so embarrassing when it happens.

You don't want to go on your podcast and have to explain yourself.

And you've just been crying on the internet.

Like, I could see her also being like, Tan, I can't do it.

Like, I don't know if Tana's like throwing her under the bus with Brooke's approval or just throwing her under the bus being like, girl, get away from me with that stank.

I have no idea.

I have no idea

who they are.

And they're relatively new friends.

You know, it's not like, you know, they're friends.

They're going to take a bullet for you.

Right.

Like, it's like, well, go with grandpa.

Yeah.

No, right.

I don't know where we go from here.

But I just think if you're someone with a platform or someone who hopes to become an influencer one day, I would look at this as a case study and what not to do.

Yeah.

I can't even think of anybody.

And that's the thing also, when your audience is female-focused, like your cancellations, whether it's something big or small, they get dragged out more.

Like women participate more in cancel culture than men do.

And that's why when you think of all the crazy things men say on their podcast or men, you know, know, how many men who have old tweets that you know of, you don't, and I'm sure they do have old tweets, they just don't get resurfaced as much, yeah, and they're super young, right?

Like, like, very, and I don't know if I don't know how old Tan is, I feel like she's similar age to me, but their audience is very YouTube, TikTok, Gen Z.

Yeah, yes, so maybe for all of them, like, this is the first time it's happened that they're seeing something like this.

First through the wall is the bloodiest, yeah,

yeah.

So, we'll see what happens.

Yeah, what do you think?

Well, Brooke, come back on that.

What's your prediction?

I mean, I do think she will because

they have this tour coming up too.

They have a big tour.

And Tana's not stupid.

Tana's been doing this forever.

And Tana knows like when something hits.

And Tana's had a lot of success in her career, but I would argue that the canceled podcast is the biggest thing she's done.

Really?

Yeah.

Like bigger than her OnlyFans and her agency.

Well, yes, money, but also in terms of fame and followers and fans.

Like she's selling out huge theaters and she's been doing this for a while.

And when something works, like you don't just give it up.

Yeah.

So I think they're going to, they're, I think what they think they're handling it in the best way that they can, but they can't see outside of it.

They're like, okay, we got some good comments.

We're okay.

You know?

Yeah.

Because, and when they first put out the episode, I was reading the comments on YouTube.

I'm like, oh, I wonder what people are saying.

And when they're just talking to their fans, like they're like, listen, Brooke, like they're giving grace,

but then it hits the internet and they're like major YouTubers.

So you get like

wide reaching and then the comments shift, of course.

No, I don't know.

To me, like these, these situations are so fascinating because you always want to see like what works and what doesn't.

And I just don't think attempting to make a million different videos for every different person who's offended is going to work.

You know, you have to be genuine and you have to, like, you just have to say she's probably genuine, but it like the people who are going to forgive you, forgive you.

And the people who aren't, like, there's nothing you can say.

Yeah.

No, and they're.

When, first of all, she's very young.

And when you are experiencing for the first time, this is Tana.

At this point, Tana's used to, you know,

but when you're new to it and it happens to you for the first time like you will do anything yeah you will say anything you are so scared you are so embarrassed and you don't give a fuck you just want to fix it and you just want to you think like okay i'll make this video and it'll be better but people just sort of

who participate in things like this are are unrelenting in their in their mad and their hatred of you so you just there's really nothing you can say to those people but you keep making those videos for those people and it's futile and it just it's not going to end how you think yeah so it's a terrible spot to be in i do not envy these girls in any way like seriously and i mean this good luck good luck it's interesting it adds another dynamic too because if anything like that ever happened to us like we're stuck together right like we're bound by blood yeah these two girls are not that there's even a choice of like will brooke will they or won't come i actually think them having a tour is a good thing because i think brooke has to come people bought tickets to see brooke too like it's false advertising if brooke isn't there yeah no and i think brooke is just as popular as tana it's not like i think sometimes like there's like everybody likes one person.

I feel like that, you know, everybody like loves you and hates me.

Like, no, no, no, I'm kidding.

I'm kidding.

But like, I think that does happen with podcasters where it's like one star and like

50% of the audience or roughly half like relates to one person.

If you have two like different personalities, that's how it should be.

No, I think like up until recently, like it was like the Brooke show with Clinton Kane and kind of Tana took a back side.

Yeah, in the last few weeks, it's been the Brooke show, Clinton Kane.

And I think a lot of the success is from like Brooke sort of like bleeding out and the things that she shares.

So

it's interesting to watch people who have a choice to either stay together.

Like we don't have that choice.

So I know if it ever happened.

And it's unbelievably ironic that this is all happening under the umbrella of the canceled podcast.

No, and I thought people who

wore that badge like an honor would handle this so differently.

That's been the most surprising part.

I completely agree.

Yeah.

So yeah, that's that.

That's what's going on on the internet.

Yeah,

that's what's going on on the internet.

What date their podcast drops on on Wednesday, Tuesdays.

Today's Tuesday.

No, this new thing just came out.

I feel like it came out on like Sunday.

Let me see.

When do their episodes come out?

I will be watching what they do next because cancel culture is one of my hobbies in terms of, I don't participate, but I find it really interesting to see how things get handled.

Okay, so their most recent one without August 1st.

Two days ago, Monday.

Wait, I'm seeing August 1st as the last one.

And it's today's August 13th.

Where are you looking?

On their podcast.

Oh, okay.

Oh, they didn't put on podcast responding to Brooke's tweets.

That was two days ago.

And that was a video.

That wasn't a podcast episode.

That's weird.

And then their last podcast episode is August 1st.

12 days ago, Leo from Love Island.

Right.

When they do a weekly podcast, so it should have been August 9th.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, so they delayed.

I guess.

Interesting.

No, I'm telling you.

And it's easy to like speak from, you know, oh, like they're doing it wrong.

You really don't know what the fuck to do in situations like that.

Like, it's, it feels like seriously the only thing going on in the world.

And it's like the weight of the road.

You're like, what the fuck?

Like, it's horrible.

Like, I would, I actually, I would wish it on my worst enemy.

That's how bad it is.

Yeah.

So that's our show.

That's what's going on in the interrebs and in the world of the Kennedys and the Mojos.

Kennedys and Mojos.

I like that for a title.

Okay.

Like, not random, but deeply.

That's also good.

But the Kennedys and the Mojos, that's the three we spoke about today.

Or honestly, the Kardashians and the Mojos.

And the Kennedys.

The Kennedys, the Kardashians, and the Mojos.

We'll work on it.

It's a working title.

Working process.

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