Justice for Arielle Charnas: Friday, December 9th, 2022

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy

Friday, Friday.

Gotta get down on Friday.

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend, weekend, Friday, Friday,

getting down on Friday.

That's right.

It's Friday, it's Friday, it's Briday, it is the end of the week.

Bruno's in studio, Jackson and Claudia are finally back together.

Oh my god, they tried to keep us apart this week.

Everyone.

Well, we were technically together on Wednesday.

We literally never even got to recap my special.

Like, not to make Friday about me, but like, we were together here Monday, Tuesday.

Wednesday, I took the day off, and we had Dumois, a totally different person.

A different person than Claudia.

There's nothing in common between the two, even though they both talked about SVU, John Mayer, and how funny Claudia is.

We did, but that just goes to prove that like powerful women all have that in common.

It's called a coincidence, and I heard one said a coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous.

It's also Dumois' way of staying anonymous.

I never heard that.

Yeah, isn't that nice?

Cute.

I read it, I think.

Cute.

It's literally a coincidence.

And then Thursday, yesterday, I woke up in a tizzy.

Harry had to go to the doctor.

Counts stood in.

She did a great job, by the way.

People were living.

She did.

I was listening on our way to our photo shoot.

We did a shoot.

Yeah, because we're models.

And we do photo shoots, you guys, because everybody wants us to be the face of their brand.

What can we say?

Absolutely, everyone.

And

it did, I kind of realized something yesterday.

And I want to preface this by saying, I realize that absolutely nobody's offering me this job.

But the way I would never want to be a model, like we were just on set for so long.

And like, most of being a model is like waiting around for everything to be ready, you know?

Yeah.

And then like being in uncomfortable positions and like being like, does this look good?

I can't see.

And everyone's yelling at me and telling me that I don't look good.

Also, I think the worst part about being a model is that it's not an easy job whatsoever, but nobody feels bad for you.

Nobody respects you.

Nobody feels bad for you ever.

Ever.

No, you can't.

Upset, offset.

If you want to be like, my job, like I was modeling really hard today.

Like, I'm sure you were, Bella.

I'm sure you were.

You know?

Yeah.

So, just as for the models, honestly.

No, justice for the fellow models.

For the fellow models and the coal miners.

And the coal miners.

Also, justice for Ariel Charnis, which is something we're really going to get into today.

We've been talking about this all week, kind of being at the center of this story, not to make like her life about us.

But Jackie and I, you know what we have?

We have a dream and a printer.

So we have this.

we have the chartness file the 20 page article that was so dumb and so um really poorly written and so overhyped we have printed it it was behind a paywall so we'll give you all the details you need to know so you don't have to pay that one dollar for the trial it's not worth it and i don't feel like we should be financially supporting poor journalists yellow we shouldn't be

financially supporting muckbreakers no not at all you guys this is 20 pages of nothing burger miss so if you are hungry you're gonna stay hungry because there's nothing here except for business insider exposing themselves.

And we have to get into all the details because there are a lot of details, some that are like interesting, some that are just like relatable influencer things and things that actually made me laugh out loud.

Yeah, no, there's a lot to discuss.

There's a lot to discuss, but overall, like the arc of this week has been Justice for Ariel Charnas.

Like I can't believe the level, the roller coaster, like the fever pitch that things reached, like the embezzling four to five million dollars, according to Dumois.

No, totally.

Secret sex club.

Multiple partners.

I've never been with multiple partners in my life.

It's all coming out this week.

And then we got this piece of duty that basically said that Ariel Charnas' brand is maybe not as successful as they would have hoped it is.

You know, and it's like, we're so,

so,

but, like, are you like living in the same economy that we all are?

Like, why are you surprised, Business Insider, aren't you a business publication?

Aren't you aware that we're in a recession and that retail is just not what it once was?

Yeah, my takeaway from this article was that Ariel Charnas is an American and she's suffering just like the rest of us.

Okay.

Economic turmoil, dark economic times.

Yeah.

Okay.

There's so much to get into and we will get into it.

There's also just great stories, catching up with Jax.

How has your week been in New York?

It's almost over.

It's not been the week that I had planned.

No.

It's been extremely exhausting and

I'm looking forward to going home.

I know.

It's just been a lot with Harry was really, really sick and he's doing better.

It's just like, it's, I would rather have him be sick at home and we could have like everything we need.

No, I know.

No, and then it's like instead of like trying to order overnight everything from Amazon.

No, and then like you came to town for all these fabulous tings, the toast, TBG awards.

Harry, sick, couldn't go.

Yeah, and we had like fun things planned for Harry because it's such a fun time of year in New York and like nothing happened.

No, I know.

But I did get good work stuff done.

Like it was good doing the toast together.

We did have this photo shoot because we are models.

I got to see your specialty thing

and I got to do the toast with Dew, even though technically I could have done it from far.

You got to do with my best friend Dew.

You and Dew are like best friends now, texting.

Do taru, moi.

Do taro, taru moi.

Yeah, honestly, the episode was really fun.

So that was like a fun treat, but I technically could, we did it over Facebook, so I could have done that from home.

But other than that, yeah, it was just not what it is, you know what?

But man plans, God laughs.

So true.

So it's sixth season out there, and that's just what happens.

Yeah, no, everyone wash your hands.

Like,

you're disgusting.

But like, it's, that's just hard for the course.

It's flu season.

Like, it's

RSV season.

I'm really hoping I don't get sick.

But, like, if you did, so you get sick.

I know.

That's part of life.

No, I know.

But, like, the thing about me is like, I'm just

a complaining, annoying person.

Yes.

How did you know?

And you just, like, can't stand to feel off.

Slightly inconvenienced.

But you get to be in bed when you're sick.

So true.

And you could read and watch TV, and Ben has to bring everything, which is so different.

So different every normal life.

Because I'm never in bed.

And Ben never brings you sick.

He never brings you stuff.

No, no, never.

It's actually one of my biggest gripes with him.

And I feel like you don't like being sick because you don't like soup.

Oh, my God.

I literally hate soup.

I think it's, it's, you know what?

If God is staying anonymous with his coincidences, with soup, he's literally making you drink his urine.

Like, I think soup is so disgusting.

And the annoying thing about it is like it really makes you feel better.

Yeah, it does.

Like, I'll never forget, I had, like, recently I had streps so bad.

And after like four days, like, I finally drank soup.

And when I tell you, my throat instantly felt completely fine.

That's so funny.

If you had to have soup, what's your favorite kind?

Chicken Chicken noodle, like with all the schmutz.

Like, give me a matzah ball, give me chicken, give me pasta, so I could like eat everything.

Yeah, give me everything inside, so like I can eat the meat and not the soup.

But you might eat the broth soup via the sponge of the matzah ball.

Right.

The broth is what really, it is truly penicillin.

Jewish penicillin.

But I hate it.

Like, I hate soup.

And there's not like,

there's not another kind of soup that you like.

I don't even want to say this because I know the answer.

Lentil,

French onion,

butternut squash.

Another soup that I kind of like is when my ice cream's all melted and I can slurp it.

That's really good, especially if there's like sprinkles in there, a little crunch.

No, but that's not good for your throat.

No, dairy is not good for your throat.

Produces mucus.

Yeah.

Yeah, no.

I have like a lot of throat problems because I'm a 30, almost 30-year-old woman with tonsils.

I actually woke up this morning and my throat, it feels like I'm okay.

If my throat usually is at 100%, like today it's at like 85.

So that's just the beginning of probably me getting what's been going around.

But I'm just grateful that I didn't get it while you were here and wasn't able to not take care of harry or work so if i go home and i'm sick then next week if you guys if i drop off you know there will come a day because i'm like very nervous about getting surgery but there's a few surgeries that i absolutely need to get and there will be a day when i will just walk into new york presbyterian hospital have them put me under and get myself my tonsils taken out probably my wisdom teeth too a breast reduction liposuction um maybe a facelift like i will do it all in one and i'll be out of commission for probably a month there'll be no toast but one day like i will get all the surgeries that i need but i'll get them done in one foul swoop.

And there will be no toast.

And that's kind of why I've been pushing it off.

Yeah.

Because I work so hard.

Yeah.

Even though, like, there's a lot of problems with everything you just stated, but sure.

What do you mean?

Like, what?

You're going to have the dentist there working on your wisdom teeth while the plastic surgeon's there working on your breast and then the other plastic surgeon down working on my fupa.

Yeah.

Liposuction is

it's not.

It's like outpatient.

No, it's not.

It's not.

There are outpatient liposuctions, but like for what the procedure I need to have done, I'm going to be fully under and I'll have three or four doctors working on me at the same time.

Okay.

Hopefully they get along.

They don't start.

They all have standing there with knives.

I just need a really, really good anesthesiologist just to make sure, like, you know.

I'm like nervous.

You should have Dr.

Tiffany Moon.

Totally.

You can add this to my favorite stories, like why I'm afraid of anesthesia.

Nip Tuck.

Yeah, that episode of Nikolai.

Yeah, added to the list.

That episode.

And you can also add Ariel Charnis being a cove idiot to my favorite stories list because that's a hill I'm certainly willing to die on.

Yeah.

Yeah, that is one of my favorite stories.

And one of the reasons why I'm like afraid to get my tonsils taken out is because that episode of Nip Talk where that girl has like this very adverse reaction to anesthesia.

Anesthesia.

Anesthesia?

That sounds like anesthesia.

How do you know?

Anesthetic?

No, no, but what's the word?

Anesthesia.

Anesthesia.

Anesthesia?

Anesthesia Romanov?

Anesthesia.

Romanov.

Okay, whatever.

To the anesthetic.

Nip Tok anesthesia.

Where she's awake the whole time, but physically paralyzed, so she feels, hears, and sees everything.

And then, when I first started dating Ben and we went to like his extended families for the first time, one of his cousins is an anesthesiologist.

And you know, when you're meeting a family for the first time, you're always like looking for something to talk about.

So I figured Common Ground with Anesthesiologist would be this episode, and I was ready for him to make me feel better.

He's like, Well, it is like an urban legend, but it's not entirely impossible.

Yeah, I don't know if I've asked you this, but on the episode, was the patient of redhead?

Yes.

How do you know that?

Because redheads have a high or like a higher tolerance for anesthesia.

If you're a natural redhead and you're going under, like, they need to know.

She was a redhead.

So you don't have to worry about it.

I do.

Oh.

Slot twists.

Waiting at it.

Not you stealing my story.

Stealing your fear.

Wait.

Yeah, she was a redhead.

Yeah, it's a redhead thing.

I'm shocked.

I feel like we've had this conversation before.

It's feeling familiar.

Yeah, I feel like we have.

And I feel like I've told you that redheads are like special in a negative way when it comes to anesthesia.

And you just don't care and you just keep making it about you.

And like, you never think about me.

No, I never think about you.

And you know who else is a redhead?

Bryson Streisce.

It's true.

Oh my God.

Okay.

Well, glad we settled that.

Like when Theo went under for his teeth cleaning, did they have a fancy?

There was a very special, like, fancy anesthesiologist on set.

I'm on set.

On

the floor?

In the room?

What's it called?

No, it's like, there's a word.

It's like orchestra.

In the

really nice

word for when you're in the operating room.

It's like orchestra or something.

Something like that.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

It's an itch.

I must scratch.

Oh, you brought your iPad today.

Even though everyone's like, you fucking bitches, talk about Ariel Charnis.

Yeah, no, we will talk about Ariel Charnis, and you're going to be begging us to stop.

Theater.

Theater for surgery.

Hold on, let me just confirm.

You'll be fine.

An operating theater, also known as the operating room.

Didn't that feel good, guys?

Not really.

Felt good for me.

Now I can move on.

We will talk about Ariel Charnis.

We will talk about the new Beauty and the Beast remake.

We will be talking about Taylor Swift's directorial debut.

There's much to discuss.

There's actually trash motherfucking stories yesterday.

And I don't know if you listened to the whole episode, but like, did you feel my call about like Margo?

Like, what is Margo like in pop culture?

I understood what you meant

to a degree, but I also understood why Margo was like, are you kidding me?

Because also she's constantly like going so hard for the things that she loves like on her Instagram and stuff.

Like it's very clear what she loves.

I know, but like,

what she loves like wasn't a story.

Honestly, it's upsetting that she didn't

host today because there's a story today about Zach Brown from Zach Brown band.

Yeah.

No, that's what she would give a shit about.

Like, I don't, like, I really couldn't pinpoint what her interests are in pop culture.

She wouldn't care about Whoopi Goldberg not wanting posthumous movies made.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you.

And it's not like she cares so much about like Charlie D'Amilio.

It's not because she's young.

It's just because she's specific.

Yeah.

But we had a great time.

And actually, the toasters really came to Margaret's defense about

referencing the state of Pennsylvania as PA.

That's like a thing normal people do.

And all the toasters from PA were like, no, literally everyone says that.

So Margaret was justified in saying that.

And the man on her date was just a dick.

Where was where in PA was he from?

I don't know.

I didn't ask.

Because I feel like if he was from like Philly or like the surrounding suburbs, like they don't call it PA.

That's like because Rebecca's from technically Pennsylvania PA, but she's never called it that.

But that's just because she's not from real PA.

Right.

That's actually a really good call.

Maybe it's like a county by county moment.

Yeah, and he was exposing himself as just being so insular and living in a bubble.

Yeah, not you thinking small.

Couldn't Couldn't be you.

I feel like we should just get into it.

Like we absolutely, like I have not been able to think of anything but Ariel Charnus.

And when I tell you, literally, I love that like, you know, we have established ourselves both, you know, in the world and also in our personal lives as experts on everything that goes on on the internet.

But when I tell you, like, I thought, I've been thinking so much about Ariel Charnas.

We've been talking about it on the podcast.

Like, every single person has been texting me, like, what do you know?

Like, some, like, influencers, friends from real life, like, what's going on?

And it's like, I have to explain to everyone just because I feel justified.

Like, I feel defensive.

Like, I need people to think, like, everything you've heard about Ariel Charnis is not true.

Right.

So, normally, if people text me, I'm like, I'm not going to answer.

I'm like, I would be like, honestly, I can't even talk to you.

You should have like a set blurb ready to go.

And then after today, you can just send them this episode.

Right.

Because, like, all the things that were said, like, people probably didn't follow up with the article and just assume, like, yeah, he was envesling and they are getting divorced.

And that ain't right because that's like actually someone's life.

Yeah.

So the headline here is that everything, all of the rumors that were circulating this week about Ariel Charnis are not true.

and the article that was being written is really honestly it's there's for me there's nothing in there that's actually newsworthy that was my major takeaway from this whole saga there were two takeaways one is like this article like i'm not really sure what the point was because it's just like her business is not doing well um and that's for a variety of reasons i'm sure the economy has a lot to do with it i'm sure maybe poor management has to do with it whatever the reason is the company's not doing well and i don't know that there's an article written every time a company doesn't do well i don't think it's company it's not like her company like went under and nobody knew it's like they're having a bad quarter like are you gonna to write about every company?

That's not.

Right.

So I didn't understand how that was.

She's not happy with their results this quarter.

That was my takeaway.

And then my other takeaway is just like the general

behavior.

The glee.

Not even the glee.

Just like this is really can be a case study on like how damaging anonymous gossip is and how forums like Reddit are actually so damaging and so dumb and so full of lies.

And people really need to adjust how they regard information that they find out on the internet because it's fucking not true.

Yeah, I feel like until you experience the cycle of like seeing something that you know is like categorically false,

then until that happens, and that happened for everyone here today.

So hopefully it's a watershed moment.

Until that happens, like you read something, you're like, smoke, they're fire.

And then also like Dumois did give like an air of legitimacy to some of these claims because like she is the go-to source for a lot of things.

So I wonder what she's thinking after last night.

Like

either she doesn't usually talk about influencers and now she's like wishing she didn't.

Right.

Either, you know, the people who are writing into her don't know shit about fuck or you know business insider couldn't prove some of these allegations.

So they left it out.

So they and it just I don't know, but Business Insider is like known to be like really shady with their like journalism.

So I feel like if there were allegations they had like a little bit of proof on, but not like fully, like they don't care.

Like they put shit out all the time that's like fraudulent.

Like they're known to be like, they did this throughout the article.

Like so-and-so said something really fucking nasty, but we couldn't verify it.

Like, but it's out there then.

So if there was so-and-so said that Brandon Jarnis embezzled and that's how he's paying paying for their life blah blah blah like that would have been a paragraph right no and it's like the the pull quote that everyone's taking is like ariel charnis is the bernie made off of the fashion industry like as if like a million people said that and it was like one disgruntled vendor said it and so to make a blanket statement and like that's like the pull quote that's all over twitter like i just feel like this article is so unnecessarily like targeting and and intentionally trying to damage an already damaged business.

No, and like, do you not know what Bernie Madoff did?

Right.

Like, because if you knew, then that's just like a bad comparison.

No, then it's just kind of insensitive.

It's a bad metaphor.

Yeah.

So let's get into it.

End the fast five.

It's going to be, it's going to be a great day here.

Because you know what I smell?

Justice.

Justice.

I smell justice.

And you know what it smells like?

Heaven.

Yep.

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Arielle Charnis, you guys, our first story of the day is the story on everybody's lips.

The Business Insider article that has been rumored to drop this week has finally dropped, and the headline is: Ariel Charness's company, Something Navy, is floundering amid dwindling sales, an employee exodus, and furious suppliers.

So, when this article first came out, I saw the headline.

I was like, I knew it.

I knew like everyone was talking about literally nothing.

That's what I was saying on the toast yesterday.

I'm like, we're all getting so bent out of shape, and there's no article yet.

So, like, once the article comes out and everything is in there, we can while out.

Right.

But until then, like, we all need to seriously calm the fuck down.

And given the rumors that we heard this week, like, the headline would have been,

embezzlement's husband, Brandon Charne, is arrested at Polar Bar in Miami

amid embezzlement claims, four to five million dollars, and they're getting divorced.

So the second I saw this headline, I was like, oh my God, big nothing burger.

And you know what?

If you had asked me like a week ago, how do you think that something Navy's like clothing company is doing?

I probably would have said like not great.

I'm always getting targeted Facebook ads for it.

And like, honestly, this stuff isn't my style.

And it just didn't pop off in the way that like maybe it could have.

So I think I could have told you that like it's not that successful, which isn't a crime.

And it's not that big of a deal, especially because what I thought was actually like an interesting piece of information that was in this dumbass motherfucking article.

Not all influencer brands survive.

Model and TV presenter Alexa Chung, who has quadruple Instagram followers as Charness, shut down her fashion brand in March after five years.

Influencer Tati Westbrook closed her beauty brand in 2021 after just two years.

Something Navy seems to be struggling with the paradox familiar to influencer run brands.

Yeah, that's definitely a thing.

So I didn't really feel like this was that explosive.

The thing that everyone is like latching onto is, you know, vendors and writers and models claiming that they haven't been paid, even though once

Insider had reached back out to this, you know, unnamed Indian vendor, he claimed that his $365,000 bill actually was paid.

So thanks, Insider, for getting people paid.

Right.

Also, there are like some models, some freelancers that it took a while to get paid, but they did get paid.

It just was like a long pay period here's a model who still claims that she hasn't been paid two thousand dollars and there are like it startups are notorious for taking a long time to pay people i just want to say just like big companies not even startups this is like startup culture like you will pay a vendor when you absolutely have to like that's startup culture um and even enormous like fashion brands do that like getting vendors paid and it's not that doesn't mean it's right but it is kind of like the the way of working especially in fashion like you get paid and then you'll finally get your vendors paid like it takes a long time

And so the article starts out talking about her birthday parties and her kids' birthday parties and vendors are seeing this who haven't been paid.

And the article also like self-owns by saying like the parties are sponsored and they were like profitable for the company.

So it's not like they're spending all of this company money on lavish parties.

The parties are actually money making things for the company.

And I don't know why they were focusing so much on the parties when A, yes, they were profitable.

And the company, anybody who was watching it on social media could have told you that it was sponsored.

Like that's what I was saying.

I thought Don Mario was a sponsor.

The kids' party was so sponsored.

Like the whole thing was, I think, one company, I forget, but I remember seeing it and being like, oh, how nice to have a free kids' party.

Right.

And so, like, the employees in here were disgruntled that, like, they were, as a part of their job, pitching brands to sponsor the party, even though the party was profitable for the brand.

That's their job to make money for the brand.

No, and it literally said that Ariel was using her personal money to pay for some of the party stuff, and then they would, the

company would make money on the partnership side.

So it's like Ariel's actually operating at a personal loss so that the company can make money from her birthday party.

So, and here's the thing that I found so interesting.

It was like, you know,

there are models out here who like haven't been paid, but then Arielle is wearing, you know, $2,000 boots.

And that definitely doesn't look great.

I agree.

But I feel like, and the article really glossed over the fact that like, there was a $10 million investment made in this company.

It is not Arielle's company.

She is the face of it.

They even said she's never in the office.

It's not her company.

Also, I think the most interesting thing in this article is that Arielle is a minority stakeholder now in something that she's in.

She's the face of it.

So the article's thesis is that Arielle's checked out.

That's how it literally ends.

It's like would you be checked out of a company you now own 5% of or whatever?

This is the last sentence.

There's no future for the company because I don't think there's a company without Arielle.

And at the end of the day, Arielle is just over it.

One, like, you don't fucking know how Arielle feels about it.

Two, she's a minority stakeholder and it, like, it's up to something Navy now to spread its wings and fly as a brand because that launched off her back.

And also, this article shows how like influencer brands can only be successful if eventually the influencer is removed from it and someone's just walking into a something Navy store who has no idea what the Instagram account is.

So it looks like that's what they're all trying to do here, but now they're upset that Arielle's not a part of it.

No, but the thing is, the thing is, is like people just get obsessed with like influencers and like want to blame Arielle because she's rich and there's like, you know, a writer who hasn't been paid.

And I'm not saying that that's right, but you have to think about it like, okay, she's a minority.

The company was launched off her back, but she's like a minority, minority owner.

That's like an Uber employee not getting paid.

And people like, well, Gary Vaynerchuk was flying private.

It's the exact same thing.

While like she is the face of the company, it's not her company.

A $10 million investment in a brand that hadn't even had any sales yet, she probably owns so little of this company.

So we need to get a little perspective.

Yeah.

Then also, Insider is upset that she doesn't wear enough of her own clothes and that she's, quote, increasingly detached from her own business.

People say more often photograph wearing designer pieces like $2,600 MA's boots and a $3,900 leather jacket from Kate, the clothing brand other than

what's new there.

Isn't that why people follow her to begin with and why she gained such influence because like she has access to the clothing nobody ever will yeah no it's always been like this

what's the word i'm always looking forward with an a aspirational aspirational content so i don't know why everyone's acting like this is a big surprise now i completely agree and i feel like her thing has always always always been like wearing a really nice coat wearing really nice shoes and a really nice bag and yet there might be a something navy sweater under it what sweater did she wear with the jacket no and by the way that's what i'm saying about the whole article it's like okay the company is failing and i do think part of the reason the company is failing is because Arielle doesn't wear the clothes because she wears nicer things.

Again, is that newsworthy?

I don't understand what in this article is actually newsworthy.

Yeah.

And I'm not glazing over the fact that like there are remaining like two or three people who haven't been paid for certain things.

And like that needs to be taken care of.

And I'm sure that the company, this isn't like, and the article actually does give good background on who invested in this company.

And what I thought was really interesting is the $10 million investment came from this guy who owned a brand that did a partnership with Arielle and they never saw such conversion in their life and they wanted to get in on it.

It happened in a really natural way and I thought that was really interesting.

Okay, so it didn't pan out how everyone hoped it would be and the company's floundering and they have outstanding bills and they probably should shut down their operations and just pay the remaining employees.

Totally.

Where they should shut down their operations.

Why?

Like Arielle's checked out.

The company's really not successful.

Arielle's checked out.

I think that's what Insider thinks about her.

They don't know her.

She has three kids.

Like she, I think that she tries to streamline her work process in terms of, like, I'm sure something maybe honestly is the most important thing to her.

And like to have someone accuse her of not caring about her own brand while like you're supposed to say like this employee who left and now is talking shit cares more about Ariel's brand than she does like it's literally her name and it's being dragged through the mud I think she loves her brand all the clothes on the website like whether you like them or not like they're her style they are a derivative of her style yeah it's not the Hermes version but it's just something

I feel like I remember she once made a headband that was like she used to wear the Prada one and hey she made one that's more affordable and that works I don't think they need to shut down their business what I thought about the business model was so interesting is like they have opened so many retail stores stores.

And, like, my thing is, like, why?

Right.

Like, who's shopping retail?

And the answer is nobody.

But they use this like platform called Leap that like opens up, like, they cover all the costs.

They absorb all of the costs of opening up retail shops.

So it's like actually not that much of a risk for her to be doing that.

And then the article says, you know, in one day, they sell five items.

And I just feel like that's more of a reflection and an indictment on retail than on something maybe because their online sales are strong when the economy is good and the clothes are cute.

Like everything everything else is subject to fluctuations.

I also thought like the

way the employees at the company like demanded to know every financial decision.

It's like, you're not the CEO of this company.

You have a job.

I don't think at a standard job, you would go and talk to CEO.

Well, what are our numbers?

Like, so this was the thing.

There was not much transparency about a plan moving forward or why we're in the position that we're in.

What the fuck does a graphic designer or a marketing person have anything to do with the financials?

You don't work in finance.

No, or why we're in the position that we're in, like, not doing well.

There's a recession, everyone.

Right.

No.

So that's also like, I think something that was, I think every, if you work in any industry, but specifically fashion, which is an indulgence, I think you'd be lying if you're saying you're not feeling the hit of the economy and inflation and people are just not spending money on luxury items like clothing right now that aren't a necessity.

And I think the article really failed to mention like that's a huge contributing factor as to why.

Arielle's company and also a lot of companies are struggling right now.

So I just felt like that was kind of the elephant in the room of part of the reason why, because Arielle, say what you want to her, she's fucking influential and that's why she got to the place that she is.

This is not, there are influencers out there who like launch companies and get people to invest who are actual frauds, who have followers that are bots, who have absolutely no influence.

Arielle is legit.

Like her, and that's, that's what I thought was so interesting that the person who invested the $10 million and started this whole thing was so blown away by her influence.

She has influence.

She has clouds.

So this isn't like, you know, smoke and mirrors.

Yeah.

They're just struggling for a variety of reasons, but the economy being one of them.

Right.

Also, it was funny in the article, they're like, you know,

her analytics are down from 2021 to 2022, and it's just not as high as it once was.

It's like, well, thanks to this week, that's no longer a problem.

Right.

I would love to hear from her, like, maybe

exponentially what her stories view.

They must be triple.

Jackie, I mean, I followed her forever.

And honestly, I know I was thinking, I can't remember the last time she came up in my timeline.

Her stories now are the first in my for everyone.

For everyone.

For everyone.

This is also what I thought was really interesting and, you know, harkens back to my favorite part of this story, the COVID stuff.

So they talked about her being a COVID idiot, whatever.

After the scandal, Charness took a three-week hiatus from social media.

When she returned, she was never quite the same, former employee said.

The former high-ranking something Navy team member said Charnis became very insecure and hesitant to post, afraid that her followers would attack her.

Like, that's so sad.

She didn't do anything wrong.

I will literally die on that hill.

She got COVID and she got sick and she didn't know what to do with it because it was March 14th.

So she went to the Hamptons.

Right.

How nice for her.

I wish that could have been me.

Also, let me see what else I have.

I have a highlight article, and they talk about like Ariel's rise to

fame and influence and what people like about following her.

And they said Ruby, that she liked to show her daughter Ruby.

They say Ruby, who is now six.

Hold on.

I need to find the whole sentence.

One second.

She was one of the first fashion bloggers to share her life as a mother discussing postpartum anxiety and showing her firstborn daughter, Ruby, who is now six, playing in the bathtub.

That was definitely like a really fucking weird thing to say.

Weird thing to say.

She shows Ruby doing other stuff too.

Ruby goes to school.

Ruby goes to camp.

Ruby loves to make it clean.

Ruby's outfits.

Yeah, Ruby's stunning.

Ruby eats.

Ruby sleeps.

Ruby plays with her dog.

Of all like the moments they wanted to take.

And like, no, it was fucking weird.

No, I agree.

Also, this now for me, like, I'm just trying to gather my thoughts, but my main main thought here is like, there's 75% of this article is not newsworthy.

Here's another non-newsworthy item.

High-ranking employees

complaining, customers complaining, wait, sorry, no, customer service tickets flooding with complaints about the restocking fee for returns, which is $12.75, and inconsistent sizing.

Okay.

Thanks.

Why the fuck?

No, this is literally the TikTok sound.

Why the fuck did you have to bring that up?

No, it's like restocking fee is definitely annoying.

I hate when companies do it, but it happens literally all the time.

I would rather there be a restocking fee than a no-return policy.

Just store credit.

That's more annoying.

Let's get an article about that.

No, but I feel like sometimes like you, there's some stores that don't have returns at all.

No, and then something Navy responded to that saying, we're a a tiny team and it costs us money and time to restock returns and our policy transparently reflects this.

Yeah.

So by the way, that's like a really annoying thing that happens in fashion all the time.

It's not Ariel Tarnas' fault.

No, and like the way that we've been conditioned as online shoppers is you treat online shopping like it's a fitting room and you order a ton of stuff.

I do it with Revolve all the time.

And I think Revolve actually like makes it, wants people to do it like because.

And that's a part of their success.

Yes.

You order a ton of stuff.

Sometimes I order a few sizes too.

Yeah.

And then you return the things that don't suit you.

And it has to be profitable for the company.

So if you do it too much, they will restrict your ability to shop with them or return with them.

But Ariel's saying, like, in something, sorry, not even Ariel, because this is something maybe in their two separate brands, is saying, like, we can't afford to do that.

Right.

They're small companies.

So like 20 things that you think will work.

And if they don't, like, you have, you can return them, but it's going to cost.

So not only is there so much shit in this article.

But again, like, you don't have to shop there.

Right.

Right.

There's no gun to your head.

So not only is there so much shit in this article that's like genuinely not newsworthy, there's so much stuff that like they're making out.

You don't think it's newsworthy that she pronounced Lord.

Okay, wait, so now I'm on that page too.

Okay.

That's how we might feel.

This page, okay, this page is everything.

So there's a bunch of shit in there that's not newsworthy, but there's also a bunch of shit in there that they're making out to be like such a big deal, but that's standard practice in fashion industries, like the restocking fee.

Like Charnice would frequently flip-flop approving certain styles one day and then deciding she didn't like them after the samples arrived.

Literally, but we don't even have a fashion company.

We have merch.

We will spend six months designing it.

We somebody comes, it's so fugly, we're like, you know what, just forget it.

That is so common.

Like the fact that we're like, you want to change it?

No, she should say, okay, it's ugly, but it's.

But let's leave it because the sample's here.

And I don't want people to say I flip-flopped to business insider.

It's so fucking stupid.

Okay.

Then

was the

SpawnCon stuff.

So I thought this was so fucking funny.

I have it here if you want it.

Okay, so interesting.

So she had a bunch of Instagram partnerships, but two that were mentioned here were with the company Vivrel and the skincare brand Elemis, which are both very new companies with, let's be honest, fucking weird ass names.

You could say Vivrelle.

I think that's what I used to think about.

If you were Latin, you would say Vivrelie.

Vivrele.

Vivre.

Double L.

Yeah, double L.

You could say Elimis.

And by the way, I would not know how to say Elemis if it weren't for people like using it on TikTok and being like if it wasn't for Ariel Charnis's Instagram.

Right.

So she had two brand deals that she wanted to post and she was a little reluctant and like people had to kind of hound her down to record the Vivrel one because,

well, here's why.

Hold on, hold on.

Charnis hated posting for certain brands.

Right.

So they made, at first in the article, they made it seem like she hated posting for Varel because she was like embarrassed to be, you know, with a company that's not like, you know, buying purses, you're renting purses.

They said she didn't want her followers to think she rented handbags, but she eventually agreed to do the post as long as she was photographed only with specific pieces from designers like Chanel and Bottega Veneta, said the former staffer to discuss the balance.

She writes that first, which makes it seem like Ariel thinks she's too good to rent bags.

And like saying like it was a brand that was like beneath her.

But then they added a little thing in parentheses.

That's actually definitely the real reason.

Another employee believed the partnership, she was worried about the partnership because her followers wouldn't believe that she rented bags.

It would seem very fake.

Duh.

It would seem very fake, unless it was Chanel and Botega Veneta.

And then it's like, oh, okay, maybe she would rent those bags because that's what she wears.

Right.

So she was like the article really tried to make her look bad and then really put the real reason for it in parentheses, which is like, duh, no one would believe that Ariel Charnas is renting a bag.

Right.

So I just felt like that's really, that's what you need to know about the article.

It's like they're really reaching for something because the reason is actually really fair.

I can see, and I don't think it's that Ariel Charnas doesn't want to work.

She's built an amazing business.

Right.

It's that like, you know what?

That would be like me doing, you know, a sponsorship with Soul Cycle.

Like, I'll do it, but like, no one's going to believe it.

Right.

Come on.

So maybe you find a way to work with SoulCycle on a way that people would believe it.

And for her, that's just doing Chanel and Voteca.

And for me, that's eating a donut on the bike.

Yeah.

Or being like, you guys should try Soul Cycle.

Or like me literally having to go to the hospital after a Soul Cycle class.

Yes.

So, okay, whatever.

Also, then they said she mispronounced the names of brands, including Vivrel and the skincare brand Elemis in videos, according to two former staffers.

And Elemis asked that Tarnis reshoot the video.

If I had a dollar for every time I sent a brand brand in content and they're like, you called it the wrong thing, or this is actually, you know, the two-piece set, not the one piece.

This isn't a pullover, it's a half sip.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Literally, that just happened to me.

Oh, I got once, I had to reshoot the whole thing because I wasn't wearing shoes.

And it was like, it was outfits, and they wanted me to make outfits, which I did, but I didn't put shoes on.

I didn't leave my house.

And they said they wanted shoes.

So again, this is another example of like very standard practice.

Ask any influencer if they've ever had to reshoot for a brand because they mentioned something incorrectly or they didn't use the right code.

Happens literally all the time so much so that now a lot of influencers will agree to a brand deal with a max of two reshoots because like it's doing the same thing over and over and it's a waste of people's time so okay so she pronounced two by the way two out of how many brands does she work with literally a hundred oh so like who mispronounced like mispronouncing stuff is so related have you met me go macro also you can use a brand that you've used you can like have a brand that you use for so long and like mispronounce it up until you do the ad just like you and go crow right have them in the office for literally two years and then we started doing ads for them and claudia's like it's go Gomacro.

I was like, oh no, it's Go Macro.

No, I literally, in my daily life, was calling it Gomacrow.

And then once I did the ad, I learned that I was wrong.

It's like the Majijan.

So again, this is another instance of like very standard practice in the influencer industry.

People get asked to reshoot things all the time, but now it's like a crime when Arielle Charnis does it.

Right.

Also, the employees were upset because she has a lot of sponsored content and also they gave the numbers that if she's doing an in-feed post, it's around 20K.

If she's doing a set of stories, it's 8 to 10K.

And she asked that in order to most efficiently utilize staff time and resources, she would shoot multiple sets of content within a single session.

So basically, locking off a day and be like, we're filming everything for this month on this day, which I guess employees weren't happy with because they have to run around and get all the products and stuff.

It seems like they have to work hard, which they didn't want to do, but the article is dragging Arielle because in a Q ⁇ A, she said she'll usually work on something maybe from 10 a.m.

to 2 p.m.

Yeah.

So it's like Arielle can't, so you have to, you're complaining that you have extra responsibilities at your job, but do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

It's like this whole work hard, not work hard thing.

Right.

You're criticizing her for working hard, for asking you, for not working hard enough because she asked you to work harder.

Right.

Anyways, they said, then it says right after that, Charness's apparent aversion to brand partnerships, apparent aversion to brand partnerships.

She builds her whole brand.

Because she wants to film them all in one day.

That's an aversion to her.

That's school.

Bewildered.

She's a teacher management.

She bewildered her staffers who didn't understand why she was kneecapping her own business.

I can't.

She wants to film them all in one day.

By the way, I do the exact same thing.

If I have multiple things to shoot, I'm waiting until a day where I look pretty and wear makeup and I'm going to film everything that I need to film for that week.

Right.

Also, let's me not forget, she has three kids.

I know.

What time do they get home from school?

No, totally.

She wants to be done for the day and be a mom.

It's not like she wears from 10 to 2 and then she goes to sleep.

No, and it's like everybody's always like, women can have it all.

You can work and be a mother.

And it's like, well, give us time to be mothers.

No, and it's we're dragging someone for making it work for them.

They're trying to micromanage her schedule.

Oh, and by the way, Ariel Trentis is a fucking business owner.

This is literally like she runs her own Instagram account.

All your employees, you have literally no right to comment on how she chooses to run her life.

This is her life.

Yeah.

Also, this next one, they talk about the CEO and they don't like how he's like, you know, shielding everyone from the fact that the business isn't doing well.

They said he seemed reluctant to respond to waning sales with measures like pulling back on inventory or furloughing employees.

Three former staffers said.

Instead, he relied solely on flash sales and ever larger discounts.

How nice.

That's so nice.

He didn't want to fire people.

So instead,

he marked down prices.

No, wait.

Okay, that's another thing in the article.

So, wait, okay, ready?

The employee added at one point in 2021, even as sales were meager, something maybe spent $40,000 a week on paid social media on Facebook and Instagram, which ended up generating minuscule returns and sometimes even losses.

Okay, so they're trying.

So, what this article is saying is they're trying.

They're seeing a problem.

Sales are meager.

So, a solution that works for a lot of people in any industry is paid social, putting money behind Instagram ads, Facebook ads, Twitter ads, things like that.

So, they did that.

So, they're trying.

Oh, wow.

Here's the takeaway.

They're spending a lot of money on the company.

Right.

No, it's especially after the rumors that Brandon

best $4 million.

$4 million.

No, they're overspending on paid ads.

Because they want to drum up sales.

No, because they're trying.

Because the company's not doing well.

So what should they do?

The company's not doing well.

They should not advertise.

Wouldn't that be more of an exposure on the power or lack of power of Facebook ads?

And not getting what you're paid for?

Because it says also

something Navy's return on acquisition spending is consistent with broader market trends and paid spend.

Hey, that sounds like an article.

So wait, it sounds like, once again, Summoning Navy is doing something in the fashion industry that everyone does.

No, but it sounds like maybe people are overpaying for paid social media and it doesn't garner the results that they think.

I'd love to see an article about that.

So to me, we're on, it's 21 pages.

I'm on page 20, maybe 20.

The most important, in my opinion, article.

No, I can't even speak.

The most important part of the article is buried at the very bottom after we get this boring ass bio on who Matt Scanlan is.

Who the fuck cares?

Former employees said that the CEO shielded Charnice from the company's struggles.

Matt was adamant that no one would talk to Arielle or her husband, Brandon, about the performance of the business.

If she ever asked about something, you had to say it was amazing, that everyone loved it, the brand was great, and sales were great.

So here, 20 pages in, we finally learned that Arielle had no idea that the company was struggling so badly.

Again, she's a minority owner.

She doesn't go to the office because, once again, she's a minority owner.

And it was her understanding that everything was going amazing.

So she's going to, of course, she had no idea vendors weren't being paid.

So she doesn't think twice about posting her fancy sponsored party because everything's going great, according to her.

Why was that not the overarching?

Like to begin the article, the first page of the article is vendor is owed 300 grand, Arielle's throwing lavish parties.

Don't you think this paragraph would have been really important on page one, not buried on page 20?

Right.

Right.

After Matt Scanlan went to NYU?

Who cares?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Also, a lot of it is like the former staffers who are contributing to the article.

I think, you know, in the last two years, she lost 22 employees.

She has currently 28.

Who knows what, like, how many employees she aims to have at a certain time.

But it's just like, even one of the employees that they cited, who was like a really high up at something, maybe who's no longer there.

I actually follow her on Instagram because she's become like a little bit of an influencer.

She's a mom.

She has three kids.

And it's like, I saw how in the last two years she has three kids.

Maybe that's why she left.

Right.

No, it's not.

Not everybody who leaves a job is like disgruntled and the business is tanking.

No, it's so true.

And just to add one more,

how is this newsworthy poll quote?

The tone on Charness's personal Instagram has likewise shifted.

Relatable and smiling posts has given way to-I literally highlighted the section with, and I wrote deranged

has given way to muted, underexposed shots of the influencer hiding her face behind sunglasses.

Even the way she dresses now, it's just different.

Feels older and more in the luxury space, like former employees.

Older and more in the luxury space.

But she added, that's not what people were following her for.

Okay, so influencer changes the filter that she uses.

Business Insider writes an article?

I really, I don't understand.

This is actually a matter of saying.

Feels older and more in the luxury space than when people started following her because she's gotten older and richer.

And richer.

Anyway.

Dumb fucking article.

All of this to say, I think that I'm sure Arielle had a hard week with like all of the ups and downs of her family, of her family and everything.

But knowing that everything that was going around her wasn't true, I'm sure she was just like so fucking confused.

But at the end of the day, I think she should thank Dumois because this probably wasn't her PR strategy, but it's an amazing one.

You think an article is coming out about you, so you put out rumors that are so much fucking fucking crazier than what they're about to say that by the time the article comes out, it's a nothing.

Yeah, I don't know what my sentiment on the article would have been if there wasn't this like week-long drop after, like nobody, nobody, this article drops.

I know they'd be like, oh my god, crazy shit over there.

No, this is, and I'm sure it's actually been a really hard week for Arielle, and like, this is not the outcome she expected, but in a very twisted way, it's the outcome

that

is the best possible outcome.

Right.

And also, I think she's more famous than ever.

It also showed how much people are obsessed with her, love her, her or hate her.

Like they can't stop fucking talking.

They're obsessed with

looking for a reason.

For now, three years, people have been looking for a reason to like really cancel Ariel Charnis.

Because again, like I said yesterday, she's skinny, she's rich, she's pretty.

Her life seems very effortless and everything comes.

And her life is full.

Her life is full.

People are so jealous.

People have been looking for a reason.

I'm sorry.

And you know what?

I will literally, I will do a televised debate with someone.

If they can give me a good reason as to what she did wrong when she had COVID, she didn't know.

She didn't fucking know.

And she was just going about her regular life being a business owner and a mom and a rich one at that.

So she has a house in the Hamptons and she got to go there.

And some of us were suffering in our apartments.

And that sucks.

That's America.

Yeah.

That's where we live in.

So again, you have a problem with like capitalism and corporate greed and you're taking it out on Ariel Charnis.

And I'm not here for it.

I'm not here for it.

No, not at all.

So I'm glad that we can close out the week.

and put this whole thing to bed.

I think that a lot of the issues that they illustrated about sales will be totally swept away by this week's fanfare.

I think everybody's at somethingnavy.com checking out what they're, because they say, oh, the clothes are ugly, they're not selling, makes me want to go to somethingnavy.com and see what they're selling.

And I'm sure I'll find something I want to buy.

Of course, no, it's this is PR.

It's like, it's really what they say.

Like, there's no such thing as bad press because I'm sure like this has taken a toll on her emotionally because people talking about your family, your husband, your kids, doing deep dives like on her mom's Instagram.

It's it's not something that anyone really should ever go through.

And so while it's been taxing and I'm sure there are a lot of benefits that come out of it,

it's still not a pleasant situation to go through.

It's your family.

I just want to say I'm on somethingnavy.com.

Like so, such gorgeous things and all things that I could see Arielle wearing.

They're in line with her personal style.

Her style is very simple and like elegant.

It's not like crazy trendy.

It's very classic.

Yeah, no, it's not, the thing is, it's not my personal style.

I'm sure I can find something on that.

That actually, that green jacket's cute.

But again, not every company is for everyone.

Yeah.

Just and again, when you're reading this article, like please keep in mind that Arielle owns so little of this company.

She is the face of it.

It's the same way I was like, okay, ready?

Remember when Fabuletics was like Kate Hudson's company?

Yeah.

It's the same exact thing.

That was a perfect example of like building a brand off the back of a famous person.

And now I don't even think, I'm sure she still owns like a couple points on the company, but oh, my Fabletics didn't ship.

Kate Hudson, call me.

Yeah.

You know?

There's a restocking fee.

Kate Hudson.

Don't have a birthday party.

Right.

No, exactly.

Like, we really just need to get a perspective on her involvement in this company.

And the article really failed to do that.

Yeah.

The article failed on a lot of points.

I think that all of us as a society, like, need to look at how we behaved this week.

I completely agree.

And I think the internet, we all, we all owe Ariel Charnas an apology.

Like, two, because of COVID.

Two, I've been saying that for years.

Don't get me started.

We, this, like, we need to use that TikTok sound.

I'm going to be real with you guys.

You look like fucking clowns.

Yeah.

You really do.

And every single person who like made some shit up up on Instagram, I saw Brandon Charness at Polo Bar getting arrested.

Shame on you.

You're disgusting.

The person who released that fake statement, shame on you.

Everyone who acted like a fucking clown this week, shame on you.

Yep.

I, you know, yeah.

Also, um, all week, people were like, she's posting.

Like, nothing's happened.

Nothing is happening.

Because nothing happened.

What else would she have done?

Literally.

I wonder if when she saw the rumors like that were so unfounded, like just the one, Brandon Charness embezzled $45 million dollars if she was like laughing crying honestly i feel like she's like has her head on straight i feel like it actually would have been a relief because you know with these articles they torture you like they you know that that the hip piece is being written about you and like you get an email about it and they want to fact check and they torture you they reach out to every single person in your life former college friends, roommates, and those people who are still in your life, they'll be like, I got this text.

It's happened to me, like from my friends from high school.

It makes you sick for weeks and months on end knowing that this article's coming out about you especially from business insider which really has no journalistic integrity and they've been like doing this thing recently where they like pick their mark and then they dig through their life for you know two to six months and they find like all of the bad things and write that article even if all and then the night before they'll say even if all of the bad things are one percent of your life and like the 99 like you are doing so much good reminds me dave portnoy article article like there was those allegations from those girls like did they mention how many small businesses they he saved like they should mention both no yeah no i think the dave portnoy thing like was interesting because while i do think dave portnoy is

not great like likes younger girls i think there's there's definitely questionable things in his personal life i also think his like retaliation against them really highlighted how business insider has really questionable like ethics when it comes to journalistic integrity.

Like they just, they have, there, there is a bar you have to reach when you're writing for a publication.

And Business Insider like has a reputation for not reaching that bar ever.

Yeah.

But I do think like that's not to say like there were things in that article, like not that everything was a lie.

Like I do think Dave Pournay is like kind of like a bad thing.

But like he showed, they had like stories from like two or three girls that like had bad experiences with him and like he showed the text messages that told a completely different story.

Like they told only a

piece of the story.

And I know yeah, Dave Pournay likes young girls.

Yeah, no, for sure.

Who wears the story on Scott Distick.

Right, no, totally, totally.

I completely agree.

So I just think

Business Insider has a reputation for that.

Yeah.

But so when you know that this is being written about you, like it really, it takes over your life.

You can't not think about anything else.

And then this week when all these rumors started to come out, I think, honestly, maybe it provided a little levity.

Yeah.

For her.

I think.

I don't know.

I would love for her to come on the podcast.

Like, you're always welcome here, girly.

Yeah.

Or like, someone, next time someone's going through this, even though they won't be able to see the forest through the trees, like,

start blogging.

Documentary.

Drop the vlog.

Documentary.

Yeah.

That's a documentary, a celebrity documentary, we need to say.

Yeah, just like the week of my camp, my week with cancellation.

Literally.

Anyways,

now

it's over.

It's over.

And so everyone, take a look inside yourselves.

Look inward.

Take inventory.

Where were you?

Where were you?

What did you say?

What did you do?

Yeah.

Our next story.

Some allegations worth discussing.

Nick Carter

has been alleged and accused of raping an underage Autistic fan.

So

that's been accused of Nick Carter of raping an underage Autistic fan in 2001, and he has responded to this allegation denying it.

But he said,

This claim is about an incident that supposedly took place more than 20 years ago and is not only legally meritless, but also entirely untrue.

Unfortunately, for several years now, the plaintiff has been manipulated into making false allegations about Nick, and those allegations have changed repeatedly and materially over time.

No one should be fooled by a press stunt orchestrated by an opportunistic lawyer.

There is nothing to this claim whatsoever, which we have no doubt the courts will quickly realize.

No, because I believe that.

The girl held a press conference on Thursday in which she slammed Nick Carter for allegedly sexually assaulting her when she was just 17 years old.

She said, quote, even though I'm autistic and live with cerebral palsy, I believe that nothing has affected me more or had a more lasting impact on my life than when Nick Carter did and said to me after he raped me I remember he him calling me the R-worded bitch and grabbing me and leaving bruises on my arm

she also filed a lawsuit on Thursday alongside three anonymous women identified only as Jane Does who also claimed Carter sexually assaulted them

Wow, that was like the most upsetting thing I've ever heard in my life.

I'm like really upset.

I know.

And honestly, so I saw this story and it reminded me of a lot of the things that Aaron Carter alleged about his brother before he passed away.

And weirdly, I only remembered because I saw in my time hop a few days, like weeks ago, I had a screenshot of it.

And the headline was that Aaron Carter accused his brother, Nick Carter, of raping a 91-year-old woman and was asking the FBI to investigate.

And then when I was searching that this morning, there's a tweet from Aaron Carter in September 2019 that said, my sister raped me from the age of 10 to 13 years old when she wasn't on her medications.

And I was abused not only sexually by her, but by my first two backup dancers when I was eight years old.

And my brother abused me my whole life.

And I just want to say, I feel like

Aaron Carter was like silenced and wronged.

And of course, he went through so much.

And I, I don't, towards the end, I don't know like where he was at and what he was saying.

But so this isn't the first time

someone's saying so something so fucking crazy about Nick Carter, like raping an underage autistic fan and raping a 91-year-old woman.

And Aaron said that his brother admitted to the act and told him that, quote, he covered her mouth so no one could hear her scream.

Oh my God.

Um,

what the fuck?

Yeah, and seriously, what the fuck?

And Aaron Carter had said the woman's name at the time.

I guess, like, their mother worked in hospice.

Like, he was giving details.

Shit.

He said, hey, at FBI, my brother raped Mildred and told me in confidence in his pickup truck.

She was 91 years old.

And my brother told me he covered her mouth so no one could hear her scream.

Put me on a polygraph machine.

Please, FBI, my mother knows she was taking care of two elderly women who were on hospice, Mildred and Opal, who my mother was keeping alive at FBI.

What are you going to do about that?

Nothing.

I'm reporting a rape from Nick on SN, on an elderly woman who was dying and was 91 that he raped, strapped Nick up to a polygraph machine and a really good one, please.

Holy shit.

Like the way I woke up, when you told me this yesterday, last night.

So the way I woke up yesterday morning, and like I literally couldn't have cared less about Nick Carter.

I'm not even a back.

Like I don't even like the back she was.

The way I will make it my mission in life to

end.

End Nick Carter.

Like I will not not kill.

I'm not, that's not a threat.

I mean, like, there are multiple ways to end.

I will not stop talking about this now.

I'm so upset.

Like, right.

And to get away with it for so long.

And like, now, like, I, I look back and like, even I feel guilty.

Like, we all just kind of discredited Aaron Carter because like he was like acting crazy and looking crazy and have like crazy tattoos.

Like, but this was a person like deeply in pain who like survived years of trauma and who was like speaking the truth and breaking the cycle.

I'm so upset.

I don't even know what corner of this story is the more upsetting.

Two people could, you know, come forward with their truth and allegations, and one person's brave and the other person's crazy.

Right.

And

why?

No, totally.

I'm so upset.

So upset.

And then it also reminded me of when Nick Carter was dating Paris Hilton and she showed up with a bunch of bruises on herself.

And it was said at the time that she had done that photo shoot where she was

tied up with the,

it was like barbed wires.

It was like cords.

Like cables.

Cables, yeah.

And

I don't know if Nick Nick said it or Paris said it, but like that it was bruises from that.

But like, there's a lot of smoke with Nick Carter, and it's not your normal kind of smoke.

No, you know, now that we're talking about it, I was being nice a couple weeks ago.

I think it's fucking weird he didn't cancel the concert the day after his brother died.

Sorry, I'm saying it.

It was fucking weird.

Right.

Weird.

I was just like, maybe he's grieving because I was trying to be nice.

No, you're, there's something fucked up wrong with you.

I don't know.

And you know what?

All these Redditors who thought you knew something about Ariel Trinis, why don't you put your energy towards a worthy cause?

Towards a monster.

Yeah.

Towards a real fucking monster.

Totally.

I need the internet to ascend upon nick nick

these two accusations have nothing to do with each other no except for the person they're accusing and they're some of the most heinous crimes i've ever heard because it's taking advantage of a vulnerable person two vulnerable people so i could actually like it is a pattern because even though one's 91 and one's 17

and one's your little brother so three right they're all

like the same type of victim because they're all people you have power over and they're all people who come from like a vulnerable place yeah and they're like weak technically um so i'm saying i I believe every fucking word of this.

I fucking, I, I fucking hate this guy.

And the girl Shannon Ruth, called Shay, is filing with three other women.

So now there's three more.

Four or five, technically.

Aaron, Has Mildred.

Yeah.

The other three.

And Shay.

Shay.

Yeah.

No, this is really fucking twisted and really upsetting.

Yeah.

Do you want more details or no?

Like not really.

Like the details of the tour bus, the drink.

Okay.

Like according to a copy of the complaint obtained by page six, the pop star allegedly lured Ruth into his tour bus after

Shea.

That's her last name.

Oh, oh, oh.

Shea Ruth.

I thought Ruth was.

Okay, yeah.

That is the first time.

Firsty Lassie.

Firsty Lassie.

The pop star allegedly lured her into his tour bus after a concert in Tacoma, Washington, and offered her a red-color drink, which she now believes was a mix of alcohol and cranberry juice.

Again, she was 17.

He then allegedly took the young fan, who was a virgin at the time, to a bed on the tour bus where he allegedly continued to sexually assault her.

Ruth also claimed in the press conference that she contracted HPV,

which is a sexually transmitted infection following her

encounter with Carter.

She said, just because Nick Carter is a celebrity does not mean that he is excused from his crimes.

I'm a survivor and always will be.

I just don't know why people aren't talking more about this.

No, like for real.

Let's talk about it.

This is like a crazy, disgusting story.

Yeah.

And honestly, I want to hear from the other BSB members because if someone's that much of a monster, like you know, even if you don't know like details, like you have a feeling about someone.

Like, it shouldn't be that surprising they've been working with him for like 20 years.

No, yeah.

And honestly, I feel like the most honest member of that group is A.J.

McClayton.

Like, I don't know why.

I'm always watching interviews of him.

He's like, we've interviewed him.

He's obsessed with his daughter.

He's sober.

Like, I feel, actually, maybe I think a lot of his dark times when it came to

alcoholism was at the height of Backstreet Board.

So maybe he wasn't aware enough.

So maybe he's not the best person to ask.

I don't know.

Also, they were supposed to do, the Backstreet Boards were supposed to do some holiday special on ABC, and it's been canceled in spite of these claims.

No, I think that's for the best.

Yeah.

Fuck you, Nick Carter.

Like, wow, I literally despise.

Despise.

Ugh.

And he was like my,

I know.

My number one

growing up.

Like, I know.

What did I know?

Nothing.

Nothing.

Okay, let's get into the next story, which is some positive news.

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Are you going to miss tour?

Um, yeah.

Well, actually, we never even got to like recap how I've been looking forward to like this special, of course, because I'm like, I was nervous about it.

I wanted to get it over with.

But also, like, I have been looking forward to the end of the tour.

It's like a lot of time away from my house and my family.

And

it's amazing.

And, but there's like some drawbacks like it's just it's a lot of hard work and I've been looking forward to it being over and when I tell you I was not prepared I was not prepared for the profound sadness I would feel when it was over like I actually on Tuesday night like when we got home from dinner I had had two cocktails like I did cry like I was like it wasn't crying over like pride and accomplishment no it was like pride over miss the road no not miss the road I like when I tell you like the material that I wrote like is it's first of all it's my it's my life like I don't make stuff up like it's literally these things that have happened to me and I've worked so hard over the last year like if you saw the first show and then you saw the last show it was it's so different.

Like I've worked so hard on my craft and these stories to like bring them to life and like make people laugh and like it really like the material it will live forever in the special but like it's retired now and I just feel um

I feel very connected to the material because it's things that happened to me.

I'm gonna miss the material.

I'm gonna miss like, you know, this part of my life.

Like it's it will be memorialized in the special, so I'm glad that people will get to see it.

But I don't know, it's just like it's the end of a chapter.

It's end of a chapter and it's the end of literally thinking about something nonstop for one whole year.

And now I haven't thought about it and it's like,

you know.

It's there to think about.

Right.

You.

That's so sweet.

Thank you.

I've been waiting for you to turn your attention

towards me.

Finally.

That's sweet.

Yeah.

Claudia, that's beautiful.

Thanks.

We're excited for a special.

When will it be out?

I have no fucking idea.

Cool, cool, cool.

Cool.

Next up, another person making their big feature debut.

Taylor Swift is making her feature directing debut debut for Searchlight Pictures.

Taylor Swift will be making her feature directorial debut with Searchlight Pictures.

The singer, songwriter, and director has written an original script, which will be produced by the Oscar-winning studio Behind No Man Land and The Shape of Water.

And Juno.

Oh.

Other key details like a plot and casting are being kept under wraps until a later date, but landing the project from one of the world's most successful musicians is a cue.

Cue.

No, this is so interesting.

Like, I feel like there comes a time in every major, major pop star's life where they do something different.

like with Lady Gaga, like she's obviously really um

taken the acting world by storm.

Like, she's two Oscar seasons in a row, back to back in like Oscar movies.

And so, oh, yeah, yeah.

So, I feel like Taylor doing it from like the director POV is so cool.

I know she's been like writing and directing her own music videos for a long time, and obviously, this is a big leap.

Um, but Taylor doesn't do anything half-assed.

Like, it's gonna be good, yeah, it will be.

I'm so curious, like, what the film is about.

I know, it's probably some

type of romance, but not like in a corny way.

No, yeah.

Like a dark romance.

Like I feel like like all too well short film.

I would love that.

Like a All Too Well the movie.

That would actually be really good.

Or what if it's like a book that she loves turned into a movie?

Because I feel like that's what happened with Crawdads.

Like maybe that was her putting her foot in the water of like writing a song for a movie that, for a book that she loved.

So they said she wrote a script for it.

So does that mean like that means she, I guess, could have written a script off a book?

Like she bought the rights.

to a book.

Yes, because even when you acquire the rights to a book, like someone has to write a script.

Right.

I do feel like Taylor definitely reads a lot.

Like, because sometimes, and I know I sound crazy, but sometimes I'll listen to a song and I know she wrote it about a certain book.

It says an original script, which I feel like could still be a book.

No.

Okay.

Because it is an original script, but like, it's a weird way to phrase it if you're writing a script off of a book.

Yeah.

Either way, I'm here for it.

Gammy too.

I'm really excited.

I just hate finding out things so early.

But it sounds like pot and casting are under wraps, not unknown.

It might not be that early.

Plus, if it has a studio and there's progress being made, but it definitely feels a little bit more like that.

It's not like Taylor Swift had the idea today, and we're hearing about it.

Right, Taylor Swift wrote a script.

Hopefully, somebody buys it.

But when the script is done, right.

Yeah, that's true.

Okay.

But I do think it'll still be like at least a year.

Do you think she'll cast her friends?

And if so, which ones?

Like Blake Lively?

Well, so that's the interesting thing is like

we have so many options.

Or will she use it as an opportunity to make friends?

I don't think she's in that phase of her life anymore.

Like, I think she has like celebrity friends that like are the the go-to.

I feel like that haim girl is going to be it who was in that movie, like, Hersch Pizza.

And would that change things for you or not?

I'm just not like a haim girly-y hayem.

I know I always say it wrong.

Haim.

Haim.

They say it's like La Haim, but you lose the L.

Haim.

Haim.

You know, like, but it does always surprise me, like, who Taylor Swift's celebrity friends are because, like, we just found out from Bejeweled, like, Laura Dern.

You know, I would love to see Laura Dern.

Haya Dern.

I would just, I would love to see Laura Hayadern in a film.

Yeah.

I feel like everyone.

So there's probably, I could say, if I sat down, a list of 100 actors who are Taylor Swift affiliated who could be in it.

Joe Walden.

I mean, they never do anything even remotely, publicly facing together.

No, that would be honestly toxic.

It could be, well, it would be a little unprofessional, nepotism.

And then also, she's going to watch him smooching.

This is not good.

And she's going to be his boss.

No, no.

Right.

No, that could really end up being a toxic work environment and there would be like a business inside our article.

I'd rather them just see them walk a red carpet, you know?

They won't do that because it's like too scary, but they'll play together.

No, I the fact that they've literally never walked a red carpet together is so crazy.

Could be Sophie Turner.

Yeah.

No, there's so many people.

Zoe Kravitz.

I think this is exciting.

Yeah.

For a lot of industries combined.

Yeah.

And of course, the Swifties.

Of course.

But I think it's going to be not what the Swifties would expect.

No, this is not a huge pivot.

Like, I think it's

for the critics as well.

Yeah, no, Taylor wants to be critically acclaimed.

Like, she wants an Oscar.

Wow.

And this, she could be an egot, you know?

She has.

Well, she has Grammys, but like, this is her putting her toe in the E-O-T.

Mm-hmm.

I wonder if she'll be nominated.

What were the Oscar songs nominations?

Did we get the Oscar nominees?

No.

We didn't.

No.

Okay.

Because maybe her song for Crawdads will be nominated.

Oh, right.

That song is actually very good.

It is.

And that movie is so good.

And if you haven't watched it, the holidays are the perfect time.

It's a great family film, even though there's like one or two sex scenes, but they're not that crazy.

Yeah.

Our next story is a little more content news that's exciting and fun for the whole family.

Wow.

Beauty and the Beast, a 30th celebration will debut on ABC on December 15th.

Set those DVRs, Disney friends.

This is, by the way, this is 2022's Annie Live.

Like the way we updated you guys on every single thing happening in Annie Live last year, I will be doing the same because we got casting news and it's very good.

So we're mere weeks from the special, Beauty and the Beast, 30th anniversary television special that you don't want to miss.

The the Wonderful World of Disney and ABZ, ABZ.

It's a new network.

It's a new network.

Will be premiering on Thursday, December 15th from 8 to 10 p.m.

on ABC, and then the show will be available to stream on Disney Plus.

Now, the castings are here, and so you need to know who is who.

Now, Belle, the role of Belle will be played by her.

Who has an amazing voice?

The role of Beast will be played by

Josh Grobin.

I couldn't.

And I just want to have selected.

There have been some rumors circulating about this that I just want to sort of squash, which is that like I was consulted about this casting as like a beauty and the beastophile, as a Groban file.

And no, I had nothing to do with this.

I actually cannot think of somebody I would have preferred to play this role.

Like even

Dan Stevens.

Like Josh Groban is the beast.

Wait, but it's also perfect because he sang the songs on the most recent soundtrack.

He sang Evermore

as the beast.

Dan Stevens doesn't sing.

So they obviously just loved his performance and he loved being involved.

I'm so, like, I could cry.

I'm so joyous.

Yes.

Then Joshua Henry will be performing the role of Gaston.

I think he's an unknown.

Big shoots to fill.

I don't know.

Huge shoes to fill, and I don't know him.

Then Rita Morena will be the narrator.

Cute.

Martin Short will be Lumiere.

Perfection.

Like, literally, if I...

In my brain, if I could have come up with who is literally a walking Lumiere, it's Martin Short.

David Allen Greer will be Cosworth.

Cogsworth.

Cogsworth.

He's a Tomini Award winner.

A what?

A Tony Award winner.

A Tomany Award winner.

So he must be Broadway.

Can you show me him?

Do I know his face?

There's not a picture of him there.

Oh, forget it.

Forget it.

It's fine.

Forget it.

Clicky, clicky.

Oh, he does look familiar.

No, I don't know him, but Cogsworth is a really, really good role.

Like, I think...

Hey, Cogsworth, I would really love that role.

Yes, and then.

Can you get to Mrs.

Potts?

Mrs.

Potts will be played by Shania Twain.

Perfection.

Perfection.

Honestly, this is so stellar.

December 15th, you can catch us watching this on ABC.

We'll be together.

We will be.

We'll be together.

I'll set my DVR.

We'll be together.

Even though we're watching live with commercials.

We're watching live with commercials.

I'm so excited.

Like, I don't know, honestly, what.

Some of who we can watch with?

Kaylor.

Kayler.

I don't know what's a better casting, honestly, Martin Short or Josh Groban.

Like, they're both literally perfect.

Yeah.

Like, I feel like Lumiere was literally written off of a Martin Short character.

Literally.

And Josh Groban was literally born to be the beast.

You guys, like, they better not fucking ruin this.

Don't fuck it up.

And I wonder if it's going to be like every, like, the whole story or just the songs.

Like, it's not going to be Beauty and the Beast Live or it's going to call it that, right?

Is that not what it's called?

And if they've been working on this, I feel like it's just a 30th celebration.

So it's just going to be like them singing songs.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought it was Beauty and the Beast Live.

It's unclear.

It's that time of year.

Annie Live was literally a year ago.

We started hearing about Annie Live so long ago.

Okay, whatever.

I love a 30th anniversary, too, because when NBC put together that wicked 15-year anniversary, it was so fucking good.

The two-hour special will be a blend of live action and animation, and will pay tribute to the legacy of Beauty and the Beast by showcasing the fan favorite movie along with new musical performances designed to take viewers on a magical adventure through the eyes of Belle.

Well, Belle is the worst, so.

Who's playing Maurice?

Yikes.

Let's think, like a crazy old man.

Yikes.

Damn.

Okay, that's not really what I thought it was going to be.

Never mind.

Yeah, it's going to be like vignettes.

Why can't, like.

That's what I thought it was going to be, but I was hoping I was wrong.

Yeah.

Well, I'm sure it'll still be nice.

Like a nice thing to watch with the family.

Add it to the list.

Better than nothing.

It's better than nothing.

Better than Grinch Live.

Right, right.

I mean, the bar is so low.

Speaking of Grinch Live, are you ready for our next story?

Is it fifth and final?

Fifth and final.

Oh, wow.

Fifth and final of the week.

The Glee dock, The Price of Glee, has dropped and it investigates the deaths of three stars and the show's quote curse.

The first trailer for a new shocking docu series, The Price of Glee, was released on Thursday, giving a first look into the show's several deaths and scandals.

The three-part ID docuseries will dig into the behind-the-scenes drama of the hit sitcom and investigate the sudden death of three of the show's young actors, Corey Monteith, Mark Saling, and Naya Rivera.

Quote, in May 2009, 10 young actors made their TV debut on Glee.

By 2020, all of them would be famous and three would be dead.

The trailer explains.

It's actually like a good opening.

It is, but it's like a little harsh.

I just want to say, like, a lot of the glee people who like do podcasts and like I've been doing press have been asked about this.

They're denouncing it.

No, they're like, nobody who actually was on Glee has been consulted.

Like, there's no one, no directors, no actors.

Nobody from the actual show is a part of it.

So like, how truthful can it be?

Yeah.

And ID, like, sounds sounds like, it's like a little, it's like forensic files vibes.

Like, yeah.

I don't know.

It's not, I don't think, I thought it was going to be on like Discovery Plus or something.

It's not like the bombshell I think it's going to be.

Right.

And also, it's like, okay, so there's three glee cast members who have passed away since the show came out.

Is that, you know, an indictment on glee and the culture itself or just Hollywood?

Like, what's the thread between them all?

Like, not even because Nairobi's death was an accident.

It was like, it was nature.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And then Mark Saling was allegedly a suicide.

And Cory Monteith was an overdose.

Like they're really not connected to children.

They're not connected.

It's a coincidence.

And they have nothing to do with glee, really.

They have to do with like fame.

Fame, yes.

Not even, not even Aya Rivera's.

No.

Mark Saling and

not even Mark Saling.

Mark Saling was like a freak who watched Kitty Porn.

Yeah, but there's a lot of uncertain.

You know, people said like he had defensive wounds on his fingernails, like that he was a part of some like ring and he was going to name names because he was being arrested on these charges.

Yeah, I mean, he was going to like undo, like, that's very like a conspiracy theory, like about you know, child pedophilia in Hollywood.

I hope they get empty for the talking series.

So, because at the end of the day, it's just like a crazy ass coincidence, and that's why people say like the glee curse, but it's not really that crazy of a coincidence.

It's like you get famous and you

fall in bad circles, like where you know there are drugs and inappropriate pornography.

Like, it's more a byproduct of the culture than the show.

Yeah.

So, even though it's a catchy title and it's an interesting concept, like I don't know that they'll be able to land the plane unless there's details that we don't know.

Right, because I don't think there was anything that was going on on Glee, specifically on set.

No.

It resulted in three different deaths for three different reasons at three different times in three different years.

I don't think it was a toxic set.

No.

I mean, like, Lee Michelle was definitely yelling at everyone, but like, other than that.

I feel like people had a good time on the whole.

Yeah, on the whole, like, I think I heard that.

No, I think what I heard was like they were really overworked.

Like, they were doing 22 episodes.

They were going on tour, they were playing at the Nassau Coliseum.

Like, I think they were like young people like being

worked really hard, but other than that, like, I don't think there was crazy, nefarious things going on.

Yeah, also, they were all, even though they were playing high schoolers, like, they were all adults.

Yeah, yeah, no, it wasn't like children

who were, you know, engaging in working, not being

working for their, like, for their parents and missing school.

They were getting paid.

And, and they were

real whole people, like, not kids who shouldn't be working.

And if they are not in these circumstances, et cetera, et cetera.

Right.

So that sounds like a big whole nothing burger.

Today's theme is like very much nothing burger.

Like we thought the Beauty and the Beast thing would be something it's kind of a nothing burger.

We thought the Scleed thing would be a something it's kind of a nothing burger.

We thought the Ariel Charnis thing would be something.

It's kind of a nothing burger.

Yeah, it's a nothing burger with whatever sauce, except for Nick Carter.

There's meat there.

I'm coming for you, Nick Carter.

Like, I'm literally coming for y'all.

Except if something happens to him.

It wasn't me.

I'm not a violent person.

And I meant more emotionally, metaphorically, like, I'm coming for your career.

Yeah, you'll never work in this town again.

Updating you guys on these stories.

Yeah.

And that's what we can do.

That's our part to play.

And that's our week.

It was so great to have you in the studio.

Next time you guys see us on Monday, we will be back in our remote setup, which I love, so I'm not upset.

But it was great to have you here.

Thank you for coming into town for my special.

I know you had like a million things to do, but I know like the special was the cornerstone of why you were here.

Yes, it was.

And I really appreciate it.

And you did Dumois.

Like you really killed it this week.

Oh my God, thanks.

You killed killed it this week.

We killed it this week.

I think we all killed it this week, except for the people on Reddit who just like made rumors out of them.

Right.

Who just like decided to ruin people's lives because they were bored.

I would love to see a Business Insider article about where the rumor came from and who done it.

100%.

Who done it?

I have really great ideas for articles.

If anybody wants to hire me as like a freelance editor-in-chief, consultant.

I think I'd be great.

I think you'd be great too.

Speaking of great, it's been a great show.

Thank you so much for listening to The Toast, the Monday Morning Show, where we deliver the Fast Five Stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube.

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And we have an exciting announcement coming soon about the thing that we did yesterday.

So that's exciting.

We have to just tease for teasing's sake.

Also, I wasn't here yesterday, so I didn't get a chance to promote the fact that the new episode of the Redheads is out.

You guys, this episode is so good.

If you read the book, of course, it's amazing.

We're getting into everything.

But even if you didn't read the book, I describe every book in detail at the top of the show.

So like you could follow along.

But it's our first episode being all together in so long.

And like the vibes were just immaculate.

The girls are so funny.

I was even telling Claudia some of the quotes from the show yesterday, and you were laughing.

You were like, Redheads got jokes, redheads got jokes.

And then we recap the book and we talk about the best books of this year.

We rate the top Redheads books and our top books of the year.

Like, what are your top?

We're actually gonna do that episode soon of our top everything of the year.

But check it out, you guys.

Don't sleep on the redheads because it is like this really special corner of the internet where we're having a good time and you're missing out.

So, it's never too late to become a redhead.

Never

ever.

Have an amazing weekend, you guys.

We love you, and we'll see you back in in the studio on Monday.

Bye.

Love you.

Bye.