S4 Ep173: Get On Your Feet: Thursday, September 30th, 2021
- Britney Spears' Father, Jamie Spears, Immediately Suspended From Her Conservatorship (Variety)
- Ariana Madix calls out Lala Kent for 'living in the past' (Page Six)
- Heather McDonald hits back at Chrissy Teigen: 'I do not hate anyone' (Page Six)
- 'Bachelorette' Clare Crawley: I was abused by 'predator' priest at Catholic school (Page Six)
- Hocus Pocus Shakes Are Coming to Carvel, Just in Time for Freeform's 31 Nights of Halloween (PEOPLE)
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Good morning, Millennials.
Welcome to the morning toast.
Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to the morning toast.
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Hope everyone's having an amazing day.
Happy Thursday.
Welcome to the show.
Hey, Jax, how are you doing?
I'm doing great considering it's a Thursday that for us feels like a Friday because it's our last show of the week, which is just so spectacular.
Though I really did not sleep well last night, like, in fact, I slept quite poorly.
I was kept up by my heartburn.
It was so bad that just can't happen again.
I had a similar experience, except the opposite.
I slept so great knowing that in a mere 12 hours, I was seeing, Kayler, Kayler, gotta get down on Kaylor.
That's right, for the first time since they moved, I am going to visit Olivia and Zach and most importantly, her royal Kanis.
And honestly, I don't think I've been this, like, like.
You know how like, okay, when we were kids, you would be like sleeping the night before camp and like you just couldn't think about anything other than camp and all the fun you were gonna have.
Of course, that's how I've been feeling ever since I booked this flight.
Wow, that's beautiful.
I'm not to rub it in because I know you can't travel, but like, I'm so excited.
Give her my love, please.
I bestowed a gift for you to bring to her and just let her know Herdenti loves her.
And I'm always thinking of her.
I would let her know Herdenti says hello, sends her best wishes.
And I hope you have a great weekend, you know, like you deserve it.
No, I'm so excited.
Like, me and Kayla non-stop.
Like, love and kisses and hugs.
Oh, God.
I'm literally going to suffocate her.
I'm going to smother her with my love.
Okay, well, while you're doing that, Brew and I are having a traditional fall weekend, fall vibes.
We're going to be up.
Autumnal.
We're going up, you know, the nor'east
border.
We're going to Vermont.
So it's extremely autumnal.
So you've got to make some chili.
Already working on it.
I have to get the meat today.
I guess I'm not really doing like a chili weekend.
I guess I'll have to eat like barbecue and stuff.
Also good.
Also Also good.
And yeah, it's going to be fun.
I'm excited for some reading, some chilling, and just Brew because he's never experienced proper fall vibes because we're coming up on the one-year anniversary of Brew coming into my life.
Wow.
When is Brew's birthday, date of birth?
August 15th.
We celebrated that.
Remember everybody came over.
We had a big party.
Brew got like so drunk.
It was crazy.
I don't know the exact date that we got him, but it's in my time hop.
But it's an owl.
And it's coming up.
It's in like two, three weeks.
And just thinking about what brew has brought to my life in the last year,
it's overwhelming.
It is.
And it can't be understated.
And
to think there was ever a world without brew for me,
that's.
And that if I didn't act
quickly and
decisively, Brew might have never entered into my world.
That's the kind of chilling thing about becoming a mother is that like you think of the time in your life before your children existed.
BB before brew, bt before digs.
Ugh, I always do stunning.
I mean, so yesterday, Jackie and I recorded one of my favorite Patreon episodes to date, okay?
You guys, this Patreon episode, okay, Zach is still asking me to send it to him.
Okay, me and Ben listened to it last night before bed.
So, when he asked me to send it to him, I was like, Let me listen to it from his POV, you know, see what he would think.
And it was so nice, by the way.
I was like, so hard on myself.
I mean, I don't know what's so nice.
No, but I felt I was very equitable, and I had
you think it was an equitable division of the assets?
I do.
And I would have no problem sending it to him.
And I probably will send it to him, though he still probably won't listen.
So me and Ben listened before bed.
And
first of all, he wasn't really upset with anything I said.
He was like laughing.
And then he was like gaslighting me.
Like, no, you do that.
I'm like, okay, sure.
Sure, Jem.
But then it definitely put like a negative, just like
air, like in the atmosphere, because of course we fought before bed.
Like about something totally different.
But like, I think we just like the
fighting mode.
Yeah.
And honestly, I just wouldn't recommend listening to the podcast for those who don't know it's a podcast all about like the most annoying things your significant others do i just wouldn't recommend it listening listening to it together okay because if we are going to listen to it i'm going to send it to him he probably won't listen to it but like maybe we would listen to it in the car because we have a long drive yeah but you're saying that we shouldn't yeah i'm gonna say no Okay, we'll see.
It actually sounds like something like fun to do in the car.
When you listen to this fabulous episode, this is going to be a fabulous episode.
Well, because then he'll hear this and be like, I want to listen to the Patreon.
Right.
Don't listen to this episode.
No, but the Patreon is so good.
So basically, everybody, toasters, like sent in the things that their husbands do that annoy them most.
And we read a lot of them, but there was over 700 comments.
We could not get to all of them.
We read your guys's qualms, and then we shared if we experienced this or not.
And, you know, cited some personal examples, some maybe conflict resolution things that have worked for us.
Yeah, there wasn't much of that.
No, there was not much of that.
But if any.
Yeah.
It was nice to see, but the moral of the story is that we all married the same person.
And the moral of the story is that, like, this might have been, I think, in my opinion, like, one of our best months of Patreon content ever.
Because we had the makeup tutorial, we had the Mukbang.
We had the
significant others.
What were the first two?
We had Olivia sharing her news.
Oh, my God.
That was only a month ago.
I know that feels like forever ago.
Yeah.
And then we had the podcast that we did about Judaism around the Jewish holidays.
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We have an amazing show for you guys today.
It's Thursday, which means we've got our Real House Lives at Beverly Hills recap.
I also watched Kathy and Kyle and watched Rappins Live.
Me too.
And I just have a lot of feelings like about last night's episode.
Not that it was the most, you know, drama-filled, but I felt as though it was very telling of a lot of things.
Okay, cool.
And I would like to dive into that.
And we also are just going to deliver the fast five stories because the world never stops turning and neither do we.
Exactly.
So I think without further ado, it is time for the fast five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast.
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Thank you, Claudia.
Just really quickly, I ran into every single wheelhouse wife of New Jersey last night, and it was just a pleasure.
I missed those gals.
Yeah.
I saw Margaret, Melissa, and Joe.
Margaret and Joe and Jackie Goldschneider, who was like sipping on a spritz, and she was loving it.
She was like, these are the best.
Oh my God, that's so awesome.
Jackie Goldschneider approved.
Wow, you love to hear it.
You do love to hear it.
Okay, let's get into the stories.
Our first story is the big story of the day.
Britney Spears' father, Jamie Spears, has been immediately suspended from her conservatorship.
Britney Spears' father has been ousted from her conservatorship following a drawn-out legal battle that has persisted since the pop star was placed under the court-ordered arrangement in 2008.
Judge Brenda Perry ruled that Spears' father will no longer serve as the conservator of his daughter's estate, immediately removing him from from control of her finances.
The judge said, I believe that the suspension is in the best interests of the conservati.
The situation currently is untenable.
A hearing was set for November 12th to determine whether the conservatorship will be ended entirely.
Wow.
So that's the next
inflection point on this.
So Brittany just has this like fabulous new big-time magazine editor lawyer who's just like making things happen, like literally getting more done in the last like few months than it's been getting done in the last 10 years.
I think the next thing they're trying trying to do, so the person who's been temporarily, well, not temporarily, like the new conservator is just like an accountant, like as it should be.
Yes.
But Jodi Montgomery is still like in charge of Brittany.
Not her money, but like she's like her like handler.
Yeah.
And that's the next thing they're tackling, like getting rid of Jodi.
And hopefully that can happen before November 12th, so we don't have to wait till November.
But if they just got this whole thing like
removed, like that would be so crazy.
Yeah, that would.
This is really a big win.
I mean, this this is what Brittany has been asking for.
So we love to see it.
It's a big stride for the Free Brittany movement.
And I also think, I'm sure her new lawyer is extremely effective.
But I have to imagine that the public outcry of Free Brittany has influenced some things in this case.
Yeah, and especially because like the Free Brittany activists are like, they don't let one piece of public record like paperwork go by unpublished.
Like they find everything, they put it all over social media.
And it really felt like for so long long that these judges and like random people involved in the
conservatorship are all being bribed in some way.
And like, I just feel like now that the paper trail is being so looked at with such a magnifying glass, like they had to just give it up, you know?
Like Brittany, and not Brittany.
Jamie, like, by disgrace.
He's literally a disgraced king.
And we're just very much looking forward to justice being served.
We are.
And we're well on our way.
This is one big step for Brittany, one small step for mankind.
100%.
Like this is so trivial.
It's like not even like they're asking for something so outrageous.
Right.
But you just love to see it.
You do.
Are you ready for our next story?
A little drama?
A little like mindless drama that you really love to see.
Between who?
We actually have two dramatic stories.
This is not the one that you're thinking.
That's next.
Okay.
But drama between Lala Kent and Ariana Maddox.
Oh my gosh.
But not only drama, it's Instagram drama, which was like actually so bizarre.
Okay, so detail it for everyone.
Yes.
So ahead of the season nine premiere of Van Orp Worlds on Tuesday, Lala posted a throwback photo in lieu of a current one, one which didn't sit well with Ariana, apparently.
The picture she posted featured Lala posing alongside former co-stars Dossi and Katie, along with Katie Maloney Schwartz.
And she captioned the picture, I had to, with a heart emoji.
Right.
So for those who don't understand the significance, she was just like, the other two people in the photo have been fired from the show.
Right, but she just wanted to like, you know, show
her.
I'm sure the premiere was like hard for them to watch.
And I'm sure as a close friend, I'm sure for Lala and Katie, like going back to the show after their friends had been fired like probably felt weird.
Yeah, no.
And I think like, so Lala's perception of it was like just commemorating the last, you know, time and blah, blah, blah, like moving into this new era.
Whereas like for me.
Well, I think she was like, we're doing the show, even though like they fired our friends, but like.
I still love and respect my friends and here they are.
Yeah.
And I think with Ariana, maybe other people was like, we're supposed to be promoting our new show and like this is what you're doing.
Right.
So Ariana commented, I I love you all, but I guess I'm just confused what this post is supposed to be giving on the night of our premiere.
Are you living in the past or are you ready for the future of the show?
To me, this comment, like, they clearly have a chip on their shoulder about the fact that this is a new iteration of the show, and after seeing the first episode, a lesser version of it.
And we know why they have the chip.
Right.
I think that she, you know,
and the show is now focused more like on her and some of the other people who maybe were like.
Faded to the background a little.
Yeah, they weren't like the mainstays every season.
So I think it feels like an attack on, you know, this new show.
Well, also, like, what we were saying yesterday when we recapped this new version of the show is that like it's very much seeming like it's going to be the Tom and Ariana show and like the Tom and Tom show, which therefore makes it like Tom, Ariana, Katie.
And I think that like
the fact that Lala posted something kind of praising the old guard as opposed to the new guard, which really is Tom, Katie, Tom, and Ariana.
I think that probably bothered Ariana and like motivated her to post this.
Like if it it wasn't, if it wasn't now being portrayed as like very much surrounding around Tom and Tom, I don't know if Ariana would have been as offended, but she's like, it's supposed to be about me now.
Right.
I mean, but Katie's in the picture and she's fine with the support.
Well, of course.
But so then Lala deleted the picture saying because someone was affected.
Right.
So she deleted the picture and then somebody wrote like a QA, like, did you delete that picture?
And she did an Instagram story.
I believe she had her middle finger up and she was like, yeah, because someone was affected.
But then she posted it again and said, Um, I had to again, and then and then she added something to the caption, yeah.
But I forget what it was, and it's not here.
So, this is just like mindless drama, but it is nice to know that, like, this drama we're seeing in the show, like Lala versus Ariana, like, actually is real, yeah, and it doesn't get resolved.
And it's like, they're clearly not on speaking terms because Ariana started her comment, like, I love you all, but there's this tension.
No, Ariana has this chip on her shoulder.
That was the perfect way of saying it.
But I think that the whole cast probably does, but not for Lala, because whether this new show succeeds or not is whatever but for like Ariana Tom everyone the Schwartzes it no it's like if this show doesn't succeed then this new bar that we're opening doesn't succeed like it's so much deeper for them whereas for Lala it's their job that she likes she has other jobs no but also like Lala
has a husband who has a good amount of wealth whereas like all these people on the show who have built lives around the show had babies but bought houses like their income is dependent on the show so like not only if the show doesn't succeed like they have this new bar but it's also their livelihood Yeah.
But also, I mean, yes, it's nice that Lala, you know, can be provided for from her man, but she has other businesses.
100%.
She wrote a book, she has a podcast, she has a beauty company.
So, she's someone who's like, other ventures don't revolve completely around the show.
No, but that's like, so now when you look at all the people who don't
currently film the show, like, Stasi
is fine financially.
Like, she, even though her podcast was canceled, like, she is in the process of building it back up.
But then it's like when you look at Jackson Brittany, who's like, both of them were so dependent on the show, like, I don't know what they're going to do.
Like, I don't know how long the Vanderpunt money lasts.
Yeah.
Or what else they have.
You know, because they have, they were in some like businesses.
Like, what happened to you?
With Lance Ben.
Mayma's beer cheese.
Mayma's.
And they're just asking.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
And Jax had done, for maybe an interview or even when he was just filming, saying that he was like an early investor in like a really big weed farm in California, which if that's true.
Then I'm not worried.
Me too.
Okay.
Good to know.
Like Kristen has, what's her?
James May.
yeah like they all did stuff stuff but i think some people's stuff is stronger than other people's stuff obviously to put it kindly very kindly are you ready for our next story which is some more
drama some more instagram drama actually i love i literally love instagram drama heather mcdonald is hitting back at chrissy teigen saying quote i do not hate anyone
So Heather McDonald's is embroiled in this like conflict
with Chrissy Teigen.
And it all started a few days ago when Chrissy posted a picture of herself
and her eyes are closed.
Other than that, she looks pretty.
I do think the timeline of this entire story is essential to understanding it.
Yes.
And you know what?
I'm just going to go
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Thank you for that, Claudia.
Okay, taking you from the top.
The other day, Chrissy Teigen posted a photo of herself
with, you know, she's in full glam.
She's in good lighting.
She clearly was taking a series of photos and decided to post the one where her eyes were closing.
Where she was blinking.
Yes.
She said, I really think you guys are too conditioned to seeing perfect photos all day because so many of my comments on any given photo are, why would she post this?
Or I love you, girl, but this is not flattering.
To which I say, who cares?
A lot of the time, makeup artists and hairstyles will ask if photos are good enough to post, and my reply is always the same.
I honestly don't care.
Post whatever.
I don't know.
I just don't care about curating my Instagram to be perfection.
I'm a mess.
I'm chaotic.
And this shall always reflect that.
Okay.
Thank you.
Love a Sagittarius.
Is that what she said?
Yes.
Okay.
So if you know this story,
good.
But if you don't know the story, so this was just one post.
That's all we had gotten from Chrissy that day.
Nothing else, correct?
Correct.
Okay.
So then Heather McDonald commented on her post, saying, These humble brags of this, of this is an unfiltered picture, so say whatever mean thing you want so people will actually write nice things since I still actually look great is so three years ago, Chrissy.
You know what was curated, your Twitter.
So then I just have to say, like, that was a very brave comment, and I was fully in agreement with it.
Like, it is so three years ago.
Like, oh, I'm so imperfect.
You know, like real Instagram.
And it's like, some people really do go hard on the Real Instagram.
They post, like, no makeup, and they're showing their true selves.
This photo is not that.
She's in full glam.
This photo is, like, not brave.
This photo is not, not curated.
It's just the word.
Your eyes are closed.
Your eyes are closed.
So it is like such a lame thing to do.
And I actually really like loved Heather calling it out.
Like, first of all, Chrissy is in this like recovery mode where she's literally trying to bounce back from being declared the world's biggest bully and like a bitch on like bullying children.
Like so that's what she's currently working through.
And this is definitely like a defensive defense mechanism.
Like I'm so not perfect.
I'm so real like you guys.
Like no, you're not.
Like I hate when people do that.
Especially there are like Jack Vannick does it actually really well.
Like this is me in a bikini and this is me hunched over in a bikini.
Like they're, those are real helpful things in my opinion.
This picture of Chrissy Teigen is so lame and is such like fishing for compliments.
It's fishing for compliments.
And Heather was merely pointing that out.
And she posted her comment and this screenshot to her Instagram where she posts a lot of her comedy.
Yeah.
And just said, I cannot take it.
I'm just having one of those days where I had to point out the hypocrite on IG.
I can't be the only one that can see through this BS.
So
then
that was it for a little while.
That was it for a minute.
Yeah.
But then Chrissy posted on her Instagram, I didn't sleep at all last night, as John can attest.
I was upsick sobbing as my phone popped up with the memory of being in the hospital exactly one year ago losing our baby so maybe i'm a little sensitive today but fuck off and most people are taking that fuck off to heather mean directed at heather because um
and then she shared that you know this was the one year to the day of her having a miscarriage which is so sad
And then the narrative was basically like Heather McDonald is like bullying Chrissy Teigen, you know, on the anniversary when, like, in Heather's Heather's defense, nobody knew that it was the anniversary.
Chrissy posted it after that.
So, I think that we can like have a lot of sympathy for Chrissy and
what must be a very difficult anniversary, but also like, let's not, you can't blend the two.
Like, the TMZ was like, Heather McDonald posted on her Instagram, the TMZ headline.
People are just taking things out of proportion and making it seem like Heather was intentionally bullying Chrissy Teigen on this difficult day for her,
which it just was not.
So,
hold on, wait.
I read it yesterday.
Whatever.
I can't find it.
Like, all the articles are basically now, there's two separate events, and all the articles are like making them seem like they're like, that Chrissy told Heather to fuck off.
So then
that Heather was like attacking Chrissy on this difficult day for her, which when Heather did post that comment, We did not know that it was this particular day.
Right.
Then Heather posted the TMZ article saying thanks, TMZ, for posting such a great photo of me mid-sentence.
That one time you stopped me outside of Craig's LA.
The two photos, just you guys, you have to look at the
photos that they made a collage of for
like Chris.
It is not women supporting other women.
Look at these photos.
That is so mean.
But that's just like classic media manipulation, you know?
Like one person looks like the angel, one person looks like the devil.
Oh, literally me and Cuba Good and Jr.
Like Cuba Gooding Jr.
looking like a stud, me looking like something that fell off a truck.
Like
literally, that's fucking e-news.
I'll never forget.
TMZ, everyone was coming for me showing like every ugly picture of me and like Cuba's like literally like he just walked out of a ray of sunshine yeah like no he looked like a professor with his glasses on right when he's the one who stuck his finger up my butt without consent right and to me like that just that in general of posting to the pictures of both people and you're gonna let us know via the picture who you think is the bad person who's the good person yeah that's like clickbait from the 90s like that's like putting your headline all in caps it's so fucked up we as a society have to stop doing that yeah no just like post even photos.
Like
fair and righteous photos.
That's neither here nor there, though.
So Heather said, when Chrissy posted the flattering photo of herself in glam and a nipped in waist, claiming it was in fact unflattering, I merely was pointing it out that many of us now see the humble brag attempt and call BS.
Now, since she considers herself a comedian and was literally a judge on TV of comedy, I was praying that she came up with some new material for her social media.
I do not hate anyone.
Maybe today Chrissy can squeeze the outside of her thigh and highlight a cellulite dimple so the world can again remember how real she is.
I have to say, Chrissy is just a mom/slash supermodel who actually eats and is super authentic.
If you want to hear my thoughts live, come to the Irvine Improv on October 1st.
Heather is like milking this to sell her improv, which you got to respect the hustle.
I don't know.
I just feel like
I agree with what Heather's saying.
Like, it's so lame of Chrissy.
Like, I'm so real, blah, blah.
But then it's also just like not fair of the media to be conflating these two things.
Like, they have anything to do with each other, and they don't.
Yeah.
And I just feel like you can agree and like want to critique like Chrissy Teigen out here, like fishing for compliments while also understanding and being very empathetic and having a lot of sympathy for like this very difficult time she went through one year ago, yesterday.
The two have nothing to do with each other.
Yes, but I'm not cool of TMZ, like making it seem like Heather intentionally woke up, knew it was the anniversary of something difficult for Chrissy Teigen, and decided to attack her.
Like, that's not what it is.
No, not at all.
But then you told me that this has become like such a
so.
Then, Heather posted on Instagram today, there was a page six article basically recapping this idiocy.
And then this was Heather's caption, which is crazy.
Up now on Juicy Scoop, she did a podcast about it.
TMZ and others reported on why Chrissy Teigen told me to fuck off.
I tell you the whole Juicy Scoop here.
Did Kyle...
Oh,
oh, whatever.
So
she's promoting her podcast.
And then she says, I was booked for three days on Ease Nightly Pop, but was then fired after one day.
Because of this drama?
I don't know.
I have to listen to the podcast, but that's what it seems like.
I would have to imagine it's because of this.
What else could it be?
Even though, like, wouldn't they want like right from the horse's mouth?
I don't know, but that is that's really crazy to me.
Instagram drama, I'm telling you, it has real-life repercussions.
She probably was so good on Nightly Pop, and they need to find a co-host for Morgan's Maternity League.
They've been like rotating in a lot of people.
Yes, I think it's like you know, kind of like an audition-y time.
I am a great Heather McDonald's fan, like she's so funny, and
I agree, she would have been great.
Yeah,
so, anyways, that's the latest
and greatest from Instagram.
From Instagram.
Are you ready for our next story?
Sure.
Bachelorette Claire Crawley reveals I was abused by a predator priest at a Catholic school.
So Claire Crawley is going on Red Table Talk.
Oh.
And in a preview for Thursday's installment, that's today, so I guess it comes out today, she reveals that she was mistreated by a priest while attending Catholic school.
She said, I grew up going to a Catholic school and I was the victim of a predator.
My parents looked at Catholic priests as they held held them on a pedestal.
She said her mother is of Mexican descent and she said that faith and religion run very deep in our family's roots.
Gloria Estefan co-hosted this episode of Red Table Talk.
It's called Red Table Talk the Estefons.
So it's not the Smiths?
No.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah.
So she said, she was so shocked by Claire's revelation.
She said, how could you not trust a priest?
And she explained that the priest in question was largely perceived as a counselor at her high school.
She said, my parents did the best they could and reached out to the resources they could at the time and sent me to the priest.
I don't think there was any counseling that was done.
It was a one-on-one time to be a predator.
Ugh, you know, the priests, like being predators, is like, in my opinion, like one of the worst things like about our society.
And you know what?
I feel like Spotlight was such a good movie, but also because I've never even met a priest.
So like...
The way it really highlighted how like some parents have such a hard time even believing that this stuff happens because you have so much faith and like your priests are literally like the most important people in your life and they're leaders like you look up to them.
No, your whole belief system is shattered and that's not something that's easy to wrap your head around exactly and it's so disgusting and it's so upsetting and this is so sad yeah do you ever watch the keepers no because i don't think i would be able to it was a lot but it was really well done docusaries true stories about um what went on in this um catholic school and like the systematic abuse just and like the
The way it was all orchestrated, you know, and how many people were in on it.
It wasn't just like like one person.
It was, it was really crazy.
And this story really reminds me of that.
And once again, we just need to be doing better for our children.
100%.
Like, that just seems to be the moral of the story every day.
Also, like, totally related but not related is that Claire and Dale broke up.
I know.
Like, officially,
Clarendale is over.
I'm sad.
I actually am.
Because you know what?
Like, once they got back together, I was like, all odds.
They did it.
And, like, you know, once they broke up right after the show and everyone was like, oh, oh classic whatever but then they got back together and i was like you know what this is it and they were doing the damn thing and they weren't being that annoying about it not at all they were being kind of like low-key you only knew about it from like dumois sites uh-huh so i was really here for it even though like i don't follow either of them and maybe they were being extra on instagram and i missed it and i'm really here for claire's happiness me too and so to know that It's a no, that just, you know, made me sad.
But I'm glad that her whole season wasn't a waste because when they broke up like the next day, because it turned out that he was just like this raging thirst monster, it was like she completely, and because she blew up her show because she really was just trusting her heart.
Like,
that was really sad.
Yeah.
So at least that's not the story anymore.
No, at least we got what, like a year out of it?
More or less.
Yeah, yeah.
Her season aired in like June of last year.
Perfect.
I think.
Well, I do wish them the best.
Also, just yet again, like red table talk, constantly raising the bar for every web show out there.
Yes, I
read.
Sorry.
Who's Gloria Estevon?
She's a singer.
Yeah.
She sings like some really great songs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just don't think like if I met her, I wouldn't recognize her.
That's okay, but if you heard her songs,
you would recognize those.
Is she calling Gloria?
Probably, right?
Gloria.
When I used to hear that song as a kid, I would be like, Claudia.
Claudia.
Yeah, we all.
You're always on the run now, Claudia.
Which is obviously not true.
Get on your feet.
And then also.
What's Get On your Feet?
Don't make me sing.
Get on Your Feet.
And also, I think there's a Broadway musical about her called Get On Your Feet.
Oh, that's cool.
I still don't think I know any of her songs.
You do.
You really do.
Who sings Calling Gloria?
I'll look it up.
Calling Gloria.
Gloria.
I don't think she would sing a song about herself.
I think she would.
It's by Laura Brannigan.
Fabulous song.
Fabulous, fabulous song.
Okay, but let's get back to Get On Your Feet music.
And they used to play that like at every Bat Mitza and everyone would be like, Connia.
I was imagining that.
Maybe I made that up about Get On Your Feet music.
On Your Feet.
But still, what is it?
And it's based on the lives and music of 26-time Grammy Award-winning husband and wife team Glorio, Gloria and Emilio Estefan.
The musical has a book written by Alexander Dinalares Jr.
Okay.
Okay, and still, what songs does Gloria Estefan sing?
What's on your feet?
It's a musical.
No, the song.
I'm going to play it, okay?
I'm going to sing it.
No, but I don't know it.
Like, I don't know it well enough to sing to
get you to realize.
I've never heard this song.
We're not able to monetize.
I've never heard this song in my life.
Never heard this song in my life.
Yes, you.
It's giving me very much
the Carrie Diaries energy.
Okay.
Sounds great, guys.
Gotta add it to my playlist.
Yeah, no, it's great.
And check out the musical and check out Red Table Talk.
Are you ready for our fifth and final story?
It's a little ice cream news.
And it's also
the final story.
Bum bum.
That has become my favorite
part of your show.
Your show?
Yes, thank you.
Finally, someone recognized this is my show.
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You guessed it.
Thank you for that, Claudia.
It's a pleasure
doing business with you.
And you never like indulge me.
I know, but I saw this
happen to indulge it.
Doing business with you.
It really is a pleasure doing business with you.
It is.
It always is.
I can't, my
blazer.
snuck.
That's okay.
I mean, I'm very familiar with it.
I bought this blazer in 2019 at like peak snatch, and I'm wearing it five months pregnant.
Leave me alone.
I don't believe I said anything.
Don't ask me to reach over, okay?
I don't know.
And it does look better when I'm standing versus when I'm sitting.
I don't believe I said a word about it.
I think that you did.
All right, fifth and final story is some exciting ice cream collaboration news from one of our favorite brands.
This is giving me craft mac and cheese.
Nope.
Okay.
Take it back.
I take it back.
It's coming to Carvelle.
Pocus Pocus shakes shakes are coming to Carvell just in time for Freeform's 31 Nights of Halloween.
So this is a multi-tiered collab.
Hocus Pocus, Carvelle, Freeform.
And if it wasn't Carvelle, we would not be talking about it.
Are they making milkshakes?
Yeah.
So they have three shakes inspired by...
Spooky.
They're so spooky.
They're inspired by each of the Sanderson sisters.
These are the three shakes.
Let me know which one you want to go for.
And then we also have to share, which Sanderson sister do you think you are?
I don't fucking know.
I'm the one from Sister Act who's not not Sarah Tessica Parker, and who's Bette Midler.
Is that her name?
I think I'm like Kathy Najimi's number one fan.
No, she's
so talented.
Okay, what are the three flavors?
Winnie's Glorious Cake Batter.
So that's Bette Midler.
It's cake batter ice cream.
Ooh, I fucking love cake batter.
Yeah, no, it sounds really good.
Then we have Sarah's Chilling Churro Shake.
No.
Okay.
Then we have Mary's Divine Cookies and Cream Shake, which sounds like
it can't go wrong.
Jackie, did I not say I'm Sarah Najiri's number one fan?
Jackie, what's my favorite flavor of ice cream?
What would I always get?
Vanilla with sprinkles, with the embroideries.
I mean, not Froyo, like ice cream.
I guess cookies and cream, like a cookie.
Did you not know that?
No, I would not say that.
I always get cookies and cream.
No, you don't.
Oh my god, that's like we all like cookies and cream.
No, no, by the way, I have been obsessed with cookies and cream since the day I was born.
You have always liked weird things like mint chocolate chip and like pistachio.
That's a lie.
I do think mint chocolate chip can be a delicious treat sometimes on a
warm summer's day.
But these days, since I have ice cream so rarely, like when when I do, I splurge, I go for, you know,
cookies and cream.
I get two ice creams usually because I like to mix and try multiple things, but it's usually cookies and cream with Oreo.
You know, it's like
well, cookies and cream just has Oreo.
I know.
It's like being in the pool and pouring water on yourself.
You know, you get extra Oreo?
Yeah, delicious.
That's kind of crazy.
That's how much I love cookies and cream.
Where's the best cookies and cream ice cream you've ever had?
Say it on the count of three, okay?
I think I know what you're going to say.
One, two, three.
Killwens.
Gotta get to Killwins.
Yeah, didn't we go in newport did we remember when we got ice cream that night no we got ice cream one night i think it was killin' sounding kind of familiar right i went on tour to st
Petersburg Florida and me and Margo were like eating lunch at some like place and we look across the street and there was a Killwins like that's in my memory the last time we went but you have better memory than me is there even one in Newport there's one way to find out Google
And just back really quickly to the Carvelle of it all, I just am really glad that big networks are final.
Like Carvell's are going out of business at an unsettling rate.
And I'm so glad that Hollywood has decided to put a little of their energy into saving Carvelle because I'm just really sick of people ignoring the only franchise that matters.
There's literally one left in New York.
Like, it's so sad.
There's more than one, but I agree that they don't get the respect that they deserve.
And there used to be way more than there are now.
And it's a dwindling franchise.
Yeah.
And it's so American.
And there is a kill wind in Newport, and that's where we went.
For sure.
What night?
We remember we went to that early dinner where we were freezing.
It was by the water.
And then we were going to walk to the bars.
But it was also like kind of early.
So we went to Killwins to kill some time.
Was that when Dana ordered a tank ray?
She ordered a tank ray like the whole trip.
And I think she started.
She shuddered.
No, because it was the last dinner of the trip.
And then we went to the...
Were we sitting at a round table?
At dinner?
No, we were sitting at a square table.
And we were so cold.
Hold on, let me just go through my camera roll.
What was I wearing?
That I can't.
My memory doesn't extended.
This was less than a year ago.
This was, yeah, almost a year ago.
I remember we had dinner the first night and the restaurant was empty and then the second night we ate at that like clam place.
We went to that other hotel for rest, for dinner.
Other hotel.
Other hotel.
I'm going to find a picture for you.
I don't know.
This is really bothering me.
Yeah, no, I've never.
I've like lived such a life that I can't even remember.
Like, what's the point?
I spent all this money on experiences and I can't even remember it.
Did we not take any pictures that night?
That doesn't sound like that.
Let Let me check my phone.
I'm not letting this go.
What
time of year?
It was October 2020.
Newport is in Rhode Island.
Oh, it's actually this coming weekend.
It was the anniversary.
No way.
No, we must have not taken pictures at dinner.
Oh, here, they put two circle tape.
No, that was at a bar.
Oh, my God.
Okay, this is not interesting.
No, by the way, Jack.
That's not interesting for the listeners.
It's not interesting for the listeners.
Think of the listeners.
No, but please, it's really bothering me.
Okay, you can keep talking.
Movies on the water.
In the marina.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Okay, Claudia, we have to get to it.
Oh, we keep going.
The sooner you finish the show, the sooner you can see Kayler.
That's true.
I'm just still looking.
I'm sorry.
What weekend was it?
Imagine you're a podcast listener.
No, it's so annoying.
Listening to someone scroll through their phone.
Okay, I'm done.
Found it.
I can't.
Did we wear these outfits?
We were always always wearing those outfits.
I know.
Okay, whatever.
I'll let it go.
Thank you.
All right.
Are we done with the fast size stories?
And did you feel as though you needed to know them?
Yes and yes.
And now we need to recap Vanner Pump Rules.
Vanner Pump Rules?
You know what I meant.
Pregnancy wearing them.
Oh, my God.
Yes, we are recapping Vanner Pump Rules, a.k.a.
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Okay, so before we dive into last night's moronic circus that was Beverly Hills, it's worth mentioning that I watched Watch Rapids Live and we were speculating last week as to whether or not Erica and Kyle were on good terms and they are.
They're on terms.
Erica, Kyle said she spoke to her yesterday, and Kyle would not say one bad word about her last night on Watch Rapids Live, which was so frustrating.
Interesting.
Okay, maybe when Erica said she only had one friend left, maybe that was.
It was like a joke.
No, maybe it was Kyle.
No way.
Her and Lisa.
Watch Robins Live Rina.
Watch Rappin's Live did like a poll, like who's so far up.
Right, and it was Rina.
Rina, out of all the women, had 70%.
Yeah.
Okay, but last night's episode, they finished this fabulous trip in Del Mar.
Like, honestly, if I ever were to go on a trip, I would need Kathy Hilton to plan it because she doesn't overdo it.
Like, she likes to relax.
So she does does, like, one activity a day.
And it's actually a lovely schedule.
And I was just saying, like, would love to be on a trip planned by Kathy Hilton.
But the real crooks of the episode was Erica's actual mood swings.
Like, it was so bizarre.
First of all, she's so rude to Sutton.
And I'm just like done with people walking over Sutton when she's the only one acting normal.
No, and she's such a good friend.
And I almost forgot.
And it was once like Erica was being like...
a little bit human towards Sutton and Sutton started crying just because like the loss.
She had such a good friend in Erica and I didn't even realize that they were such close friends and like how much that meant to Sutton.
So just to discard a friendship doesn't mean nothing to her.
And she's just such a good person.
I'm so glad that Crystal finally realizes that she's not the villain in this cast.
Like, no.
And we knew that when Crystal was coming for her, and it's like, it just takes everyone like
a minute to understand Sutton.
But I'm so glad she's off of that.
Hill because 100%.
Because also I was loving Crystal's energy last night.
And I'm like, you just need to make up with Sutton.
And I had even forgotten that they like were not close.
So the fact that Crystal said something and really put this thing to bed made me really love Crystal after like a great episode for her, like buying everyone bottles of wine.
It was a good episode for Crystal.
It really was.
But the bar is pretty low because she just, it's like in past episodes, she's been so wrong.
It's as if she's not even there sometimes.
100%.
But here's the thing.
Like, Sutton is like so on point, especially in her confessionals.
Like, when Erica's sitting around talking about how, like, she's been through so much and she's just being like victim, victim, victim, Sutton is just giving me everything in her confessionals and she's right like all these women are just drinking the kool-aid and they're so far up erica's ass they're like afraid to say one thing that'll just even remotely make her
like even the tiniest bit upset and it's like so frustrating to sit around and watch that but then like sutton and maybe it's just like the type of person she is like she's really strong in her confessionals and then like when erica and her were like on the
Doc dock Erica was like I want to apologize oh you don't have to apologize like yeah come on like she literally was so fucking nasty to you and you didn't even do anything and like you're out here like making exceptions yeah no i agree it makes me also feel like maybe something has happened in between the filming and the confessional taping because
they both are yeah sun's coming off stronger and erica in her blue outfit is the literal like devil devil yeah she's being so mean the meanest person ever so i think we just need a little more context there but i agree and you know what i can honestly like yes we want a perfect housewife who's bringing the same energy the confessionals as they are to the group but i can actually relate of to feeling something.
And then, you know, the way that you bring it to the public, you do all of a sudden, you know, lose your voice a little bit because it's fucking human nature.
100%.
And Erica is a scary person.
So scary.
So even though it's not perfect housewife behavior,
it happens in real life all the time.
For me, the actual low point of the episode was Erica talking to Kyle after playing pickleball and was like, you know, I told my lawyers, I don't want a dollar.
And they told me that that was the most courageous thing they ever heard.
Well, not that she didn't want want a dollar she doesn't expect a dollar right that's not courageous that just seems like you understand the the the board no but not only that like we're supposed to applaud your courage because if there's any money left it should go to widows and orphans and not a woman who spent $40,000 a month on glam like that doesn't make you courageous at all actually no and she's just exp like she just her last thing was a full display of her acting like just trying to like garner sympathy
not be made this villain, try and be like a little nicer like to Sutton.
She was like on this like weird press tour last night's episode that i don't think lasts very long yeah it clearly doesn't last till next week i think for erica the best case scenario in this situation is that she comes out of the
the court proceedings unscathed in terms of like her role guilty and the fraud but that she will get nothing she will get no money from town's estate like she won't but that she will be clear enough to continue working in the way that she is now and she can live off of that money and like how is she still paying for glam i mean i think she makes a lot of of money from the show.
Yeah.
And she,
I'm sure she, like, had a good personal savings from, you know, she had great collabs.
Like, her book was a New York Times bestseller.
She had a collab with Beauty Blender.
Like, she was everywhere for a long time.
Like, I hope she saves some of that money.
Me too.
But I think she just wants to be able to do that again.
Yeah.
And I think that's so realistic.
If she doesn't have any like legal implications.
Right.
So she.
But the whole divorce thing is so weird because she's like the only person on earth who still cares about Tom.
And like the way that she speaks about people in his life who don't want to be associated with him is so delusional.
Like she thinks it's disgusting of people who, you know, don't want to be associated with Tom, don't want to help him, don't want to take care of him.
Like, would you?
He's a monster.
Yeah.
And I'm not talking about his family.
Like, she's like his friends, like, who he helped get, and, and, oh, you know, he's done so much good.
And, and what about that?
Okay, if you've done a lot of good, but you're also literally in the same process of ruining millions of lives, like, that's...
more important.
Yeah, I had watched a few minutes of the previous episode.
It was a never before seen me.
where they gave us like all this stuff that actually would have
been helpful where she's talking about how like all of these people who Tom has helped over the years he's paid tuition for like I gave them jobs that yes he was extremely corrupt and stole a lot of money but apparently he was also generous towards others.
Right.
So those people who experiences generosity, where are they is what she's trying to say.
Like
but it's just weird to me that she's divorcing this man because he was so evil towards her.
It was so hard to like make him seem like a good guy.
Yeah, and then the whole conversation about like, you know, how sad we are for Tom because he's going to go to a home like after this storied life that he's lived.
No, it's weird.
I'm just like, what about the widows and orphans?
They can't even afford a nursing.
Nothing's making sense.
And like Erica's just like really trying to change a narrative and is having a like, it's not doing a good job of it like at all.
And her talking points really seem like they are in
coordination with things that Tom might be saying.
Yeah.
Like, as if they're on the same team.
So she's not only walking this line of like, i knew nothing about this this has nothing to do with me but also like defending tom and i rena uh kills me to say made a good point when she said that erica everyone wants erica to say but what about the orphans and widows you know to be so like upset for them but any indication that she gives about anything regarding the case is her involving herself in it.
So she actually can't say those things.
So I can believe that.
It's just really hard.
But I, Erica did actually have an honest moment when she was talking about how, like, if I'm, you know, too happy, then I don't care.
And then I understand that.
And if I hang my head in shame, then I'm guilty.
And that I understand.
And I think we're watching that all play out.
The different like
routes she could route she's taking in terms of defending herself.
It's just a mess.
No, and honestly, to me, the most egregious thing that was done all episode was done by Kyle.
Do you know what I'm about to say?
It was so little, it bothered me so much.
So they're all sitting after the long.
They're all sitting after the long day, and Erica's going on with her woe is me story.
And she's really just like making herself out to be the victim.
And I'm sure Sutton has a lot on her mind, but she doesn't say a word because her and Erica are not speaking.
And all the women are like, you're being so funny, Erica.
Ha ha, let me lick your butthole.
And then Kyle's like, Sutton, you're very quiet.
Cat got your tongue.
Are you fucking serious?
Now, second time, she's taken Sutton, thrown her in front of a bus, and said, I'm helping.
And no one said, Where's Sutton?
I don't know.
Like, she is the worst fucking friend.
And to me, that was worse than what she did at.
It made Sutton so uncomfortable.
Sutton's already so awkward.
She's so awkward.
And also for Sutton, it's like when they're going to talk about Eric's legal woes, Sutton has questions.
She has been told she can't ask those questions.
Or what, you know?
Sutton can't ask her questions when they're talking about this.
So Sutton has nothing to say because if she's not allowed to say what she's actually thinking, then what, there's nothing to say.
Exactly.
Kyle should, if I can suss that out, Kyle should be able to.
I knew exactly what she was doing.
She was not being stupid.
Yeah, no, the whole episode was so fucking lame, especially because Kathy wasn't there to get all these women in line.
Well, that was the other thing about the episode.
Like for a girl's troop, it was very piecemeal at many times.
Like Kathy didn't want to go up and then Sutton didn't want to go up.
Like everyone was just like kind of doing their own thing.
I just fucking love Kathy.
Like I know.
She was so good on watching what happens live.
Like and the episode was annoying because Kyle was still being like so up Erica's ass.
Like it's hard because Kyle's one of my favorites, but all these women,
I guess I would say aside from Sutton and Garcel, all of them have been an enormous disappointment to me.
Yeah, I agree.
And by the way, every time somebody brings up Denise, like I literally get down on my knees and bow down to them.
No, and I'm so excited that it looks like next week, the season finale, you know, one over a year later, Garcia brings up,
is still looking for justice for Denise.
And like, that, like, it brings a tear to my eye.
And when you do flashbacks of how they interrogated this poor woman who very well might have had an extramarital affair with a woman, and you know what?
It's not a crime.
Nobody gets hurt.
And it's really nobody's business.
Very well.
The way they fucking interrogated her, like she stole millions of dollars from orphans and widows.
Like that's, where is that energy?
Where is a quarter of the energy?
Maybe if that hadn't happened last season, I would be able to say, you know what, these women
clearly just stay above the line with one another.
They don't interrogate each other about all their legal things.
Yep.
So I could, I could be okay with it, maybe.
Yeah.
But given the context of last season, it's just so hypocritical.
It's it's hard to ignore.
Yeah.
No, it's glaring.
Gleaming.
Yeah.
But yeah, other than that, it was a nice episode.
Watch what happens live was good.
It was like a pajama party theme.
It was cute.
Kathy's just everything of the sort.
Yeah, it was really cute.
Kathy was so cute.
And
there's just a lot going on.
A lot.
Yeah.
What?
Why are you smiling?
I don't know.
It was like just kind of weird.
I liked it.
No, I liked it too.
But first of all, I'm glad that Kyle called out Andy in the clubhouse being so fucking shady.
Like, why are they pitting sisters against each other?
Yeah.
Why can't they fucking help themselves?
Just to, like,
that was like when someone was on Watch What Happens Live, and it was like to the effect of, like, whose side are you on?
Jax or Rihanna?
Like, who?
Like, Rihanna.
That's funny, actually.
No, and it is.
That's like outrageous.
Like, that's funny.
It's just, it's all so mean, and they're always just like making fun of the person sitting there.
I imagine it's like wild.
Uncomfortable.
Yes, I agree.
But Kathy was super cute, and
her presence was enjoyable.
A gift.
Yeah, it was.
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