S3 Ep194: Message Received: Monday, November 30th, 2020

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the Morning Toast.

Happy Monday after a long weekend.

So, aka the hardest day of the year.

It was, I haven't had like the Sunday scaries in a long ass time, mostly because I love my job.

And what's there to be scared of?

100%.

It's a vibe.

And last night was like truly sad.

It was such a Sunday.

But we will persevere.

We will get through this together as a unit because that's what we do here at the Morning Toast.

Get through things.

Because I'm wearing a beanie.

And I think that always brings us us together.

Mrs.

Hatt is in the studio today.

Back in the building.

This is actually a shopmorning toast.com beanie that everyone has been loving, especially me, the satchel time.

One of our best sellers.

One of our best sellers.

And I just love a beanie.

Like, my hair was

nothing to write home about today.

And I, and neither was my outfit.

And I was like, beanie.

I think a beanie.

A beanie could solve all of this.

I hope everyone had an amazing weekend.

You know what I conclusion I came to over the weekend?

Please tell me.

I think Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday.

Wow.

What?

That's beautiful.

What's not to love?

First of all, I love,

the only thing that's really like

that it involves to be like an active Thanksgiving participant is to eat a lot and to be with your family.

And like to me, those are my two favorite things in the entire world.

Core tenants.

My core values.

They are like one of my many pillars of society.

Actually, I think that you have a limited number of pillars as one does.

And I think that those are the two.

Maybe I have like three or four, and those are definitely two of them.

Don't put me on the spot and ask what the others are.

I'm not sure yet.

I need more time to to think.

Okay.

But all I'm saying, and I love the Thanksgiving Day parade.

It is just such a joy.

And I love the dog show afterwards.

So it's really just like, I never, I had never thought about it too much, but I think it's my favorite holiday.

That's so wonderful to hear, considering on our last episode, we did a Patreon episode all about Thanksgiving and things you can talk about at the dinner table with your family.

And you said, like, you kind of fucking hate Thanksgiving.

No, I said I hate the Thanksgiving cuisine.

I don't like turkey, even though Olivia did make a decent turkey.

I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie.

it It was a little dry, but it was good.

Did you or did you not feel that tryptophan?

Oh, definitely.

I was fucking passed the fuck out by like seven, eight o'clock.

I definitely believe in the myth of tryptophan.

It's not a myth, it's real.

It's literal science.

The myth is real.

And I have, I am a myth buster, and I have busted the myth.

It is true.

And Olivia was great because Olivia made me like the biggest bowl of craft mac and cheese.

So like that's what I ate while everyone ate like, you know, the cranberry sauce.

I can't look at cranberry sauce without like literally dying.

It's so disgusting.

You know what?

Like fine.

That's fair.

Fine, fine.

nobody needs a sauce made of cranberries yeah no i mean like it's fine if that's what you're wearing it's savagery if no we won't make you eat it no definitely not like i won't even touch it it's so sick and like it's gelatinous um

shape and texture yeah it's so sick i can't believe people eat it and olivia and ben were like this is such good cranberry sauce i'm like you two are fucking sick and you need help Yeah, no, I'm glad that you've realized.

I feel like this year has like, we're really realizing things about ourselves.

And it is the year of realizing things.

you realize your likes and your dislikes and yeah and you're realizing that thanksgiving is just it i know i kind of wish that i had come to this realization like before thanksgiving because now it's over and i have to wait a whole other year like maybe i'll forget maybe next year remind me that like i love thanksgiving so much but now it's like tis the season and i think this whole month is really about those two things food and family yeah joy and cheer and i think that we can bring that to you yeah well it's really like officially the holiday season like i walked out of my apartment this morning and my door my logo they were setting the tree it was already up in my apartment they were setting up the tree and I was like I've never been around to see the process and speaking of trees and updates have you seen what Rockefeller Rockefeller Center look tree looks like no stunning like we said so everyone got all clamped for nothing would you say that it's beautiful stunning yes and smart I haven't gotten to know it personally yet so I'm not entirely sure but it might be it might be I'm sure it is I'm sure it is um we have an amazing show for you guys because there is a lot that we need to discuss in a pop culture world there's so much to talk about you guys we we talked about a lot a lot of things last week, but we watched so many things.

Obviously, the undoing finale last night.

I have some thoughts.

I have some thoughts about the show in general.

Me too.

And folklore.

Oh, yes.

I forgot about that.

Definitely watched it.

Did you catch a vibe?

I did.

You know, I was going to wait till like nightfall to really catch a vibe.

And then by like three o'clock, I was so bored because we were on vacation.

I'm like, I'm just watching it.

And it was still so premium.

Lovely.

I watched it as well.

It was literally exactly what you would expect it was.

Like song explanation.

Song explanation.

A long pond in a studio.

Repeat.

Song explanation, repeat.

Yeah, exactly.

Real House is a Potomac, which we have to discuss the record level of disrespect towards Karen Huger.

It was astronomical.

That is so funny that you say that because I was like, I watched the last two episodes yesterday and I was like, the common theme here is that in every single scene, they are disrespecting Karen Huger, making fun of her business, her marriage, something.

They had that sex party where everyone was like sharing insulating details about their sex lives.

And

everything everyone else said, everyone's like, ooh, ah really no actually what else karen says something like ew yeah no it's they're so mean to her there's so much disrespect so on point like when she was like honestly i've retired my mouse like you're an old woman i fully respect that fully respect it when she said to she said a few things to robin yeah i know where she just like

Sat her down.

Yeah, no, I have and then the whole time people were like saying stuff to her and she was like, I received that message.

And then she said something nasty to Robin.

She was like, Did you receive that?

She was just being so on point.

Literally, so much disrespect thrown her way.

And she fucking handled it like a queen.

So much disrespect.

I can't take one more level.

And even the thing with the hats, like it hurt when I was coming in, it hurt my heart.

It hurt my heart.

And I just have to say, Robin going to anyone's event about their business and having the absolute gall to literally like mock their business

when you literally run run a hat shop out of your house and you did a photo photo shoot with your friends for free in like a junkyard alley you are those in glass houses should not throw stones robin dixon you literally making fun of anyone's business is colossal hypocrisy and i that's where i stand i completely agree we'll give you the full recap after the fast five but actually nice to know where you stand 100 like i'm so fucking done with robin dixon like i've i've always been good to her always like i've always never let her go to that place of like people I can't stand, even though she's so deserving of it because she is legitimately the worst housewife.

Like, girlfriend, why are you looking at $1.6 million houses?

Why are you looking at what would be probably, besides Monique, the nicest house of all the women when you are on a payment plan to the government?

Yeah.

What are you doing?

Like, who do you think you're fooling?

Not me.

Not me.

Not me.

And so it looks like next week, like, Juan isn't proposing.

I don't care.

I don't care.

That would be like really a crazy turn, though.

Yeah, I just, I was really disappointing for Ashley because she like was playing on on the other side and she's really had her head out of the street and it's honestly it's the the housewives of the potomac who I don't think are clowns like they're just fewer and fewer now.

It's just Monique and Karen.

No, I'm still here for Ashley.

I think that Ashley

She's not playing both sides, but she's sharing all the information she has with both sides.

She's just like an open book.

I can't really blame her.

And she wrote that statement and she's defending Monique when it counts and when it matters.

And so I'm here for her.

And I love her.

So we will get into that.

So we will.

But before we get into that, we have other things to get into, such as

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Okay, first story.

Big story last week: the Grammy nominations are here.

We have some big winners and we have some big snubs.

Respect was given, and respect was taken.

The Grammys giveth and the Grammys taketh away.

They very much do.

Beyonce led the list of nominees with a total of nine nominations.

She's up to 79 lifetime nominations.

That is crazy.

Followed by Taylor Swift, Roddy Rich, and Dua Lippa with six nominations each.

So, as the, you know, the annoying resident Taylor Swift Stan, I'm very excited about this.

We've had two albums in a row where Taylor has just been like completely ignored by the Grammys.

That was reputation and Laura.

No, it was like worse than being ignored because she did get nominated for top performance.

Yeah, like such a, such a solid.

I was like, we know about your album, but we just didn't know that.

But this is where we place it.

Yeah, exactly.

That's so true.

But folklore now made it into all the major categories in one way or another.

And it's exciting because it was, it really was given the year that it was the album of the year.

Like, I will be shocked if anything else wins.

I know.

I feel like she's either going to win every category that she's in or she's not.

But I do feel like she will.

And after watching the folklore movie documentary

and seeing all the stories behind the songs, it makes you appreciate each song even more.

And of course.

If I were a Grammy member watching,

it would definitely influence my vote because having that sort of insight into the music makes you respect it more.

And it's so helpful to like enjoy.

Yeah.

I feel like every year, there's always like snubs and like the people, you know, speak out.

I do feel like this year that more artists, it's not a ton, but more artists are now speaking out against the Grammys.

And I feel like we might one day, not anytime soon, like get to a place where a majority of artists

don't care about the Grammys anymore.

Yeah, because right now, like, Drake spoke out about it.

Um, the weekend spoke out about it, Halsey spoke out about it, and Halsey's been very vocal about it.

She has been.

Um, and those are three like major, like Drake the Weekend, like, those are not, you know, nobodies.

Yeah, that's true.

Well, so here are the nominations for the big categories.

If this Amazon ad will get the fuck out of my face,

okay, there.

Record of the year.

Black Parade by Beyonce, Colors by Black Pumas, Rockstar, DeBaby, featuring Roddy Rich, Say So, Doja Cat, Everything I Wanted, Billie Eilish, Don't Start Now, Dua Lippa, Circles, Post Malone, Savage by Megan Thee Stallion.

That is a lot.

That is a lot.

You can see all of the categories.

There are a lot of nominations.

I don't know if it's always like that, or we're just like, because we just watch the AMAs with three

nominees per category It does feel like a lot Well, I really feel like this year was the year of Savage versus Say so like they were both so big on TikTok then they both had remixes one with Ingie Minaj one with Beyonce the Beyonce one is so Beyonce is what's nominated for record

That's so interesting.

Yeah, and I'm glad because I think it's so good.

Me too.

Um, I do think that will win You do.

I do.

I think it's gonna be a mighty big sweep for Megan the Stallion in a lot of categories.

Okay.

She's undeniably just everything of the sort.

I'm taking a different route.

I'm saying Don't Start Now by Dualipa because I actually think it's one of the greatest songs of all time.

Me too, but I think of it as song of the year, like what got the most play on so, like, in all facets.

I don't know if the Grammys respect social media or respects the TikTok of it all, but if you're in the music industry right now, you cannot deny the power of TikTok.

No, I know, and I'm keeping that into account.

I'm just saying, like, musically and also on the charts, like, don't start now is just an exceptional song.

And I also think say so and savage are, but I'm just, that's where I'm going to cast my vote.

I think that Dualipa has this, like, very rare disease where she's unable to put out a piece of music that is less than less than stellar.

No, it's it's incredible.

I would say maybe my least favorite song of hers is that new one, Levitating, and it's still pretty good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got you,

Yoda, but I

did,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's good.

Yeah, it is good.

You know, when I take it back, it's slaps.

Okay, album of the year.

We have a lot of nominees.

Chilombo by Janae Aieko.

Black Pumas by pumas everyday life by cole play did jesse i literally had no idea cole play put out an album same volume three by jacob collier women in music part three by haim future nostalgia

haim

hem sorry heim ketchup play sorry heim fan haim fans sorry haim fan

i'm not being a g like i just don't fuck with haim like at all they're like the opposite of anybody expects you to i don't really i just don't don't like they should be everything that i love like three sisters jewish i heard that like when they first um started out their band name was the bagel bitches like i like i should love them everything they do bothers me so much like they're just like aesthetic is the opposite of what i believe in do you know what i mean yes no i know i you don't need to explain it to me

i don't think anybody's confused okay cool cool cool future nostalgia by dua lippa hollywood's bleeding post malone folklore by taylor swift one of the last three i don't think dua lipa will get album of the year post malone could but i really think it'll it'll be folklore.

Like, it was, I mean, I mean, I say this every year.

Like, all of, every time Taylor releases an album, like it is record-breaking and the numbers are insane.

And, like, usually she sells more albums in that category than all the others combined.

And I'm sure that's the case here as well.

And I know that that's a big factor for Grammys, but it was like we were in a quarantine year and folklore was a quarantine album.

Like, even if you don't like Taylor Swift, like, you have to admit that.

Yeah.

That's true.

And that would be her third album of the year because she won for 1989 and Fearless.

I don't know if she won for any.

She didn't win for Red.

She didn't win for Reputation.

I really feel like she's either going to win them all or just win none.

I wonder if she's going to go.

Well, I mean, according to Halsey,

that's how you get nominated and that's how you win.

And

now, like, we can speculate all we want, but we actually know from her documentary that the Grammys are really important to her.

And she had a really good day last week when she got this.

Because in that documentary, she got the phone call that for reputation, she did not get nominated in any of the four major categories.

She was bummed.

And she she was so bummed on the verge of tears and said, I'll just make a better album.

And then she made Lover, and that one also didn't get any of the categories.

So she maybe is over it now, but it's something that for a while has been very important to her.

Yes.

Okay, Song of the Year nominees.

The other one was Record of the Year.

I don't know.

She'll get the difference.

Black Parade by Beyonce.

The Box by Roddy Rich.

Beep, boop.

Beep, boop.

Bada da da coop, bada la.

Funny for a 12 foot spot.

Busting all the bells at the box.

I just wanna leave with the.

That's such a good song.

That was like the first song that literally ever went viral on TikTok.

Totally.

Cardigan by Taylor Swift.

Really, not my favorite song by any means.

Thank you.

Thank you for your honest song.

I'm honest.

Yeah.

Circles by Post Malone.

Fabulous.

Don't Start Now, Dualippa.

Everything I Wanted, Billie Eilish.

Which one is that?

I don't know.

All I know is the new one.

I think, therefore, I am.

Stop.

What the hell are you talking about?

I actually like, I really do like.

Get my pretty name out of your mouth.

I actually like Billie Eilish, but I don't like when singers who aren't rappers like talk.

It's actually like when Taylor talks in some of her music, it's my least favorite thing.

So he calls me up and he's like, I love you.

And I'm like, please stop talking.

Like, I hate when people talk in songs, unless you are rapping.

That is the only exception I'm willing to accept.

So are you not a fan of Sam Hunt?

Hate when he does that.

And she was calling me, and I'm like,

yeah, yeah.

Hate.

hate.

Nothing makes me cringe more.

Now we know.

Also, nominated for song of the year: I Can't Breathe by her and If the World Was Ending by Julia Michaels and JP Sachs, If the World Was Ending, no, that's like a very decent, like Z100 song, like when you're driving five blocks downtown.

Like, by no means is that worthy of any sort of accolade.

And that's, you know, what?

Justice for fucking Halsey, like, that song got nominated.

I know.

That song is a piece of shit.

Sorry.

Halsey has a few songs this year that like are so fucking good.

That song, the one that everyone's using on TikTok to like, um, it's like a song, it's like a trend on TikTok.

Like, if you talk about your trauma, you use the song, and it's, I want to start with the sound and say, oh my god, I gotta get it off my chest.

Got no anger, got no malice, just a little bit of regret.

So fucking good, so fucking good.

And how dare they?

Julia Michaels, real, like, I'm upset.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Not to pit woman against woman, but here we are.

We find ourselves here yet again.

Okay, now nominees for best new artist, Ingrid Andres.

Oh, I know.

I'm so happy she's getting the absolute respect she deserves.

Phoebe Bridgers, Chica, Noah Cyrus, D-Smoke, Dojo Cow.

What?

Noah Cyrus.

Is that it?

That's even worse than Julie Michaels.

Like, that's...

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's bad.

And she's not, like, new.

And, like, what did she...

She released one

semi-decent country song.

She didn't know.

She has a few hit songs, like, with...

You know, the DJs out there.

Sure.

And so, like, nothing about her is new to this year.

Hmm.

It's just bizarre.

Kate Tranada and Megan Thee Stallion.

So I think.

Megan Thee Stallion is so crazy.

I'm just talking Megan Thee Stallion, Doja Cat.

Oh, yeah.

And I'm throwing Ingrid Andres.

No, literally, this entire year is just like

TikTok.

No, Megan Thee Stallion versus Doja Cat because their songs just were both so big.

Yeah.

I feel like that's how last year it was like Billie Eilish versus Lizo.

Yeah, that's a good call.

And both are winning ladies.

Yeah.

So those are the big, the big nominees, the big categories.

And so the big snubs come.

The weekend is most obvious.

The weekend and Luke Hombs.

Yeah.

Is Luke Homes' album eligible?

Yes.

And he put out singles this year.

Okay, because there's a bunch of rules.

Like, actually, no, you're right, because Luke Hombs' album came out in November.

Mm-hmm.

And he was snubbed.

That's disgusting.

Thank you.

That is so.

There's the outrage.

That's disgusting.

And how are we supposed to take the Grammys seriously when they pull shit like this?

I don't know.

It's like sick.

I know.

And then the weekend is obviously the most

obvious one.

He also spoke on it, posted a little something on his Instagram.

And it was just bizarre because he says that he's been in talks with the Grammys, the Recording Academy, in the last couple weeks to perform with the Grammys.

And you don't perform with the Grammys if you're nominated for nothing.

He doesn't even have like a single nomination.

Yeah, I don't even think you get like an invite in the mail.

No, definitely not.

That's crazy.

Very bizarre.

And then Justin Bieber released a very bizarre statement about his being nominated.

He wanted to make it very clear that he wasn't coming off ungrateful.

He's just confused because Changes, his album, is, you know, tried and true in RB album from the melodies to the rhythm to the lyrics.

And he was treated as pop.

He was put in the pop categories.

Yes, this was his statement.

To the Grammys, I am flattered to be acknowledged and appreciated for my artistry.

I am very meticulous and intentional about my music.

With that being said, I set out to make an RB album.

Changes was and is an RB album.

It is not being acknowledged as an RB album, which is very strange to me.

I grew up admiring RB music and wished to make a project that would embody that sound.

For this not to be put in that category feels weird considering from the chords to the melodies to the vocal style all the way down to the hip-hop drums that were chosen, it is undeniably, unmistakably, an R ⁇ B album.

To be clear, I absolutely love pop music.

It just wasn't what I set out to make this time around.

My gratitude for feeling respected for my work remains, and I'm honored to be nominated either way.

Ariana Gromley wasn't nominated for anything, but she actually took the year off, right?

Yeah, for the most part.

For the most part.

She might have had like a best pop vocal performance

somewhere.

You know, she did stuck with you.

I I don't know if that got

it.

But what is so interesting, I just scrolled down to the country section and best country album.

Are you ready for these nominees?

I remember reading it and feeling underwhelmed.

Underwhelmed, but it's all, aside from Little Big Town, it's all females.

Oh, wow.

Ladylike by Ingrid Andres.

So good.

Your Life is a Record by Brandi Clark.

Wildcard by Miranda Lambert.

Never Will by Ashley McBride.

Ashley McBride.

I don't know if I've mentioned this maybe two, 300 times.

I've recently joined the Ashley McBride team, and she is just just so everything of the sort.

Yeah, she really is.

Just stick to the one-night standards.

She's so good.

So good.

So, um, well, love seeing women in country thrive.

And I've always felt that the men that they build up in country are just like not it.

Like,

they're like tropes of country music.

Like Jason Aldean, LeBron, they're so like cheesy.

Yeah, they're like,

They're just like people who seem to be so country, but their songs are corny and like yeah, I I hear you and I do think they're talented people, but they just become like an industry within themselves 100% and it's like they release the same song they lose like the that heart of country so I think the women in country music are constantly releasing better music and living for the Grammys for seeing that love it.

Well, those are the Grammy nominees.

It will be airing in January hosted by Trevor Noah.

So we'll see you then.

Oh, hopefully he doesn't ruin it.

I just have come to like really resent hosts.

Do you know what I mean?

I know, I know.

It's like who's hosting?

I'm scared.

Like, you know, I'm never going to be happy with the host.

Ever, because it should be me.

I'm kidding.

Okay.

Next up, Selena Gomez's fans express outrage over Save by the Belle reboot mocking her kidney transplant.

This is so this is just not a story I saw coming like in any way.

In any way.

Mostly because I wasn't like aware of Save by the Belle reboot.

Me neither.

And I was airing.

Peacock original.

I feel like we always talk about these reboots that are coming, but like we never get to the part part where they follow up, right?

But apparently it's on Peacock now, and it had several references to the Stinger's 2017 kidney transplant.

In one scene from the new series,

two students at Bayside High are arguing about who Gomez's transplant donor was.

Right, one of the girls, like, it was Justin Bieber.

Yeah, so one person said, I know for a fact that Selena Gomez's kidney donor was Justin Bieber's mom.

God, I wish I had my phone so I could prove it.

And the other student responds, prove what?

You're an idiot.

It was Demi Lovato's kidney.

They're best friends, like you and I were.

By the way, it was her friend Francia Reisa.

Okay, first of all, literally everyone knows that.

I feel like this is just bad writing.

In another scene, the words behind the main character, the words, does Selena Gomez even have a kidney?

appear to be written

on the walls in the school's hallway.

So this is just bizarre.

And I really want to chalk this up to bad writing because it feels like an old person wrote this being like, what are the kids, you know, debating over these days?

And I feel like they were looking for like a cliche pop culture debate like I would consider like what happened in the elevator with Jay-Z and Beyonce to be like one of the great mysteries of our time and I think that they were trying to capture that essence like but nobody thinks anything like everyone knows that Francia Raisa was the woman who donated her kidney to Selena Gomez and like we all moved on from it so this is like just this is so like this is obvious like of peacock like hiring writers to write a show about kids who know nothing about kids very true well peacock released a statement saying we apologize it was never our intention to make light of selena's health.

We have been in touch with her team and will be making a donation to her charity, the Selena Gomez Fund for Lupus Research at USC.

So bizarre.

Like in so many ways, such a bizarre story.

And like, it's just, it's not funny.

Right.

I, like, you know, I, I hear if you want to make a joke that maybe is not going to rub everyone the right way, it really has to be funny.

Like, it has to be like just.

outstandingly hilarious.

And this was like not only not funny, but like kind of cringy and super rude.

Beyond.

It's not a good, it's not a good way to start off.

It's not a good look for anyone involved here.

It's like, I'm embarrassed.

It's not a good look for the reboot.

Like, I think that this could like ruin.

Yeah, it's taken the reboot down.

I don't know how good of a chance it stood like to begin with.

I don't know if it's a good show, but like this is bad for the whole reboot.

It's just awful.

Like, I'm embarrassed for absolutely everyone involved.

Not to be dramatic, but like it's just, it's really embarrassing.

No, I know.

Literally, you released a show, nobody talks about it except now they're talking about like something really lame you did and you have to fucking release an apology and make a donation.

Like how embarrassing for you.

Yeah.

I'm embarrassed.

As you should be.

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Okay, next story.

This was a big story of the weekend.

The fight between Jake Paul and Nate Robinson.

Nate Robinson is saying he's okay after the ugly Jake Paul knockout.

Okay, that's good because above all, like, homeboy was like hardcore, knocked out cold, like dead asleep on the floor.

And I was like, sometimes I've only watched a few of these fights and I always end up like wanting to cry because like someone's on the floor like looking lifeless and it's really sad.

Yeah.

Former Knicks player Nate Robinson said he was doing okay after getting knocked out by Jake Paul less than two minutes into the second round of his pro boxing debut on Saturday.

Quote, thank you to everyone for all of the well wishes.

I'm okay.

I appreciate at Triller for the opportunity as well as everyone that has backed me during the fight to my coaches trainers fans and teammates.

I appreciate all the time and support you guys put in with me.

So I brought this up to you about wanting to talk about it, and there's so many things I want to talk about.

Go for it.

The first is, this was like a Mike Tyson fight, so it was like really legit, but there were a few things that made the whole evening like seem really illegitimate to me.

Triller.

The first being Triller, which is a TikTok rival app.

They spend like a lot of money on like those hype house kids.

Like they, they literally put them on like this mansion.

Like they pay for everything in their lives just for them to like be on Triller to like post their TikTok content on Triller.

Like it's so weird.

I don't even get the app and now I guess they're like a wrestling platform.

I have no idea.

I didn't get it whatsoever.

So for at first I'm like, oh, Ben was like, the fight is on.

I'm like, who?

He's like, Mike Tyson.

I'm like, oh, that's legit.

And then he's like, yeah, it's Triller.

And I'm like, what?

And then he said, it's also another fight, Jake Paul versus Nate Robinson.

I'm like, okay, this is becoming more illegitimate with every, with every...

waking second.

And to me, I found the Jake Paul fight to be so much more interesting than the Mike Tyson one because first of of all, it was a little embarrassing.

Nate Robinson is a former professional athlete and like Jake Paul is a Viner from Ohio.

Like the two are not the same and Jake Paul won.

Like I just think that's worth noting.

Like say what you want.

This has been such a bizarre year, especially for Jake Paul.

Like his home got raided by the FBI and like now he's out here winning pay-per-view fights.

And I don't know.

I was like really rooting for him.

I bet 200.

I bet $210

on Jake Paul to win $100 and I won.

That's so exciting.

Yeah, no, it was very exciting.

I just like, I wanted to root for the YouTuber, you know?

yes, no, this is really at its core an exciting moment for influencers, for content creators.

100%.

And I just, I thought there were so many things that were so interesting about the evening.

Obviously, Jake Paul being one of them.

And just like, I've been now like following on social media, like his brother and Tana, like all of them celebrating.

And I don't know, like, I know we're supposed to hate the Paul brothers, but like, I just can't quit them.

Like, I just, like, I'm always like secretly rooting for them.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, no, this was interesting.

I had no idea.

Like, Zach told me there was a fight.

Do I want to watch?

I was like, no.

He was like, it's pop culture.

And I was like,

no.

And then I spoke to you, and you're like, Jake Paul is fighting.

And I'm like, why didn't you tell me Jake Paul was fighting?

No, it's crazy.

Yeah, it was crazy.

I still didn't watch it, but it definitely made it more interesting.

Yeah, no, I watched it and like Jake Paul really won fair and square.

Like, didn't even use all the rounds because he got knocked out.

And Nate Robinson, like, couldn't even stand up, let alone fight back.

Like, it was crazy.

Have you been still watching Filthy Rich?

No.

Because in the last episode, second to last episode, there's a fight, like, and he's like a a warrior for Jesus.

Oh, it's a physical fight.

Oh, he gets in a...

Oh, you know what?

Maybe don't tell me.

Maybe I will watch it.

Oh, but just it's funny that the network that they're calling it part of Sunny Club, where they have a fight channel, is called Praise Perview.

Wait, that's so funny.

And I didn't know that they had a pay-per-view channel for fighting.

Well, they created one.

Oh, for him?

For him.

Oh, I love that.

It's honestly canceled.

Can't wait to show got cancelled.

No, you know what?

As I'm watching more, I can believe it.

And it's honestly, like, it's not good.

No, I know.

No, it's like really not good.

It makes no sense.

No, I know.

Sometimes you get, like, especially with these types of shows, like, you get so distracted by, like, the great cast, the fabulous location, the rich home, the business, the billionaires.

Like, Dynasty, like, when you take all the fabulousness out of Dynasty, like, it's really not a very good show, but it's so fucking fabulous.

It's so good.

And I also think that Dynasty is really good writers.

Yes.

And there's something about Filthy Rich that's like so cheesy.

No, and like nothing makes sense.

Like a character does something, I'm like, what is this?

That's not who this person is or who this person's supposed to be.

right to you guys logically ginger sweets would have never turned down that initial six million dollars remember like she she would have taken that money a hundred percent yeah and it's really at the end of the day it's like bruno sweets over ginger sweets always and that's where i land always me too me too okay a little exciting tv trivia game show news this is a two-part story The first one is that champion Ken Jennings will be the interim Jeopardy host.

Yes, I feel like this is most likely a permanent decision, but they have to see how he does.

Like, will he be terrible?

Who knows?

It's always good to have a little test run.

Yeah.

I think I like this, you know.

It's so the obvious choice.

And even though other people were throwing out like really decent recommendations, if they're not like connected to the history and the memory of Alex Trebek, then I just don't think it's going to work.

Yes, so Jeopardy is saying that Ken Jennings will be the first interim guest for the late Alex Trebek and the show will try other guest hosts before naming a permanent replacement.

So it's really like a competition.

Yeah, and like Ken Jennings, if you're listening, the opportunity, like, it's in your reach.

So just like, don't fuck this up.

Yeah, just

be yourself, but better.

Yeah.

More refined.

So

it'll be interesting to watch.

A little other game show trivia news that I find to be quite interesting.

Chef David Chang becomes the first celebrity to win $1 million on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

What charity did the celebrities don't win the money themselves?

They win it for charity and he won it for the Southern Smoke Foundation.

Oh, by the way, this episode I started to watch last week, you know, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire is like the worst show ever because, like, so it's an hour-long episode.

And if somebody gets out 30 minutes in, they'll bring on another person and the episode could be over and the person is still in the middle of the game.

Yeah.

So when I was talking about Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, like last week or the week before, watching this episode?

I watched, yeah, and the second half was his, he just had gotten started.

Got it.

He's friends with Jimmy Kimmel.

That's how he got on the show.

Got it.

Okay, well, here's the $1 million question.

Let's see if we can get Oh, okay.

Although he and his wife never touched a light switch for fear of being shocked, who was the first president to have electricity in the White House?

Shit, you know, I don't even know when electricity was invented.

Like,

here are the options.

Okay.

Ulysses S.

Grant.

Who the fuck is that?

He's the general.

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Grant.

Benjamin Harrison.

That's not a president.

No, I know.

Benjamin Harrison?

Chester A.

Arthur.

He's definitely presidential vibes.

Andrew Johnson.

He is the president.

Okay, start it.

Read the question again.

Although he and his wife never touched a light switch for fear of being shocked.

Okay, so like, who were the conspiracy theorists in the White House?

Who was the first president to have electricity in the White House?

So it must have been like a very new thing.

Although he and his wife never touched a sight switch.

No, no, the answers.

Okay.

Ulysses S.

Grant.

Benjamin Harrison, Chester A.

Arthur, Andrew Johnson.

Let's talk this through.

Okay.

And I'm really about to show how dumb I am, but Grant was Civil War.

Post-Civil War.

So, like, when, what year was the Civil War?

In the 1860s.

Okay, so that could be when electricity was.

I actually am going to vote Ulysses S.

Grant.

I just have to take Benjamin Harrison out of the running because I truly have never heard of him.

And I'm like 90% sure that this is like a trick question because he was never actually president.

Andrew

Johnson?

Andrew Johnson, yeah.

I just, I'm not getting the vibe.

You're not getting the vibe.

Do you know the answer?

No, I don't.

Yeah, I want to go go just because I want to go Grant with Ulysses for the win.

I'm going Grant.

He, let's see what it is.

Hold on.

He said, this was his, like, when he was answering, he said, this is terrifying.

Oh, about, sorry, never mind.

Okay.

What's the fucking girl?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Hold on.

We might have to watch the clip.

Just Google it.

Like, copy and paste and Google it.

Okay.

Well, the suspense.

The suspense.

It's killing me.

Oh, he phoned a friend.

Oh.

His pal, ESPN anchor, Mina Kimes.

Okay.

I have the answer.

What's the answer?

Benjamin Harrison.

Of course it is Benjamin Harrison.

Are you fucking kidding me?

You know, I was actually thinking when I was watching Who Wants to be a Millionaire last week that if I had to phone a friend, or not phone a friend, but they let you have like a compadre like sit next to you in this new version, I would definitely bring you.

Oh, thanks.

Would you bring me?

Would you bring me?

Yeah.

No.

Just because then it would make it fun and like a funny experience and then maybe we'd get like our own spin-off show because we were like so funny, you know

We can dream, yeah well that's exciting for him and the charity that he

it is exciting

I think that's a really cool idea.

I went like having celebrities go on who wants to be a millionaire and it's it still is a hard game to win so it's very impressive celebrity versions of like traditional game shows are always good like celebrity family feud is so good yes i agree i just love seeing celebrities in like weird situations like non-traditional celebrity activities, like not red carpets or like movies, like just like weird everyday things, you know?

Yeah, now I need to look up like when Benjamin Harrison was president, like when?

1891.

Oh, and when was Ulysses S.

Grant?

It's just like there's really not that many presidents.

Like to not have ever even heard of one of them just like sounds crazy to me.

Like how irrelevant was he?

Like I bet he.

1869.

So we were right in our like post-Civil War timeline, but electricity was just a little slower than that.

That's just crazy.

Okay.

Okay, fifth and final story, which is going to lead us into a recap of the undoing.

But Grace Frazier's costume designer should be shot.

No, I'm kidding.

I'm kidding, but like, what did she do?

Is speaking out about her wardrobe.

Is she defending herself?

Because she should be.

So her name is, yeah, no, that was like the one piece of the puzzle that didn't really fit for me.

So I was very interested in this article that you sent me where the costume designer explains herself.

Explains herself.

Her name is.

because you texted me I got Jackie to watch a show and you texted me like the show was really good oh my god you guys this text was so funny I said this unviewing is a really great show but it would be better if Nicole Kidney like was dressed I said if her outfits were on point and then literally we both texted at the same time I said she dresses like a witch and you said why does she dress like hocus poke you know and it's so true like the big long green duster coat that green coat is gonna haunt my dreams and she did look fabulous at that school fundraiser and I thought that we were starting and I thought she was gonna be like this fabulous woman, like when she goes to court with the business dudes.

Sylvia, her friend, had a better wardrobe.

No, I totally agree.

I just didn't understand

the thought behind it.

And here is the thought from the costume designer Sidney Sedgland, who's based in Copenhagen.

She said that she wanted her vision for Grace's style to be hinged on two somewhat contradictory ideas.

Quote, I wanted her to be able to walk around New York and stand out and blend in at the same time.

she said, the latter of which is certainly more ideal for someone entangled in a gruesome murder case like Grace's.

Yeah, that also didn't make sense.

Like, she's obviously such a visible person in New York and in her community.

Like, why would she be walking around in like the brightest green coat?

Yeah, the coat was so bad.

And I do agree, it did, like, take away from this, the show a little bit because I thought, like, the way they captured, like, that Upper East Side, like, kind of, you know, upper class, like, I thought it was just excellent.

The apartments were so stunning, and that school, and all the other moms.

Like, I really thought it was very well done.

And it was the one piece of the puzzle that didn't fit.

And, and so, she said that she attributed Grace's distinct style to her 70s, like 70s-inspired bohemian style because it's something completely new for fans to see Nicole wearing on screen.

Contrasting Celeste Wright.

Yeah, no, but like just because Celeste had a great neutral wardrobe doesn't mean that Grace should suffer.

Yeah, and at first I thought that she was dressing weirdly for them to try to convey, like, she wasn't a regular Upper East Side mom, she was a cool mom.

That's what I thought.

Like, maybe she had this like bohemian style to reflect the fact that she was

like a bohemian out-of-the-box thinker.

Yeah, and their apartment was like a little quirky with the purple walls.

Like, I thought maybe that was the point.

Yeah, but like, that wallpaper in the bedroom, that was like so Upper East Side.

Yeah, and I just think that the show, like, would have been on another level if her outfits were like

sickening on point.

Like, doesn't even have to be like stupid, like, Chanel suits.

No, like, courthouse chic theory moment.

Yeah, these coats.

And, like, I saw people trying to be like, what coat is Nicole McKimming gonna wear tonight?

Like, we're on the edge of our seats.

No, like, you know, like publications.

Like, oh, yeah.

To nobody's.

So, we're on the edge of our seats, wondering, everyone wants to know who did it.

We want to know what coat.

No, I have like no interest in knowing.

No, the person who made that coach be ashamed of themselves.

And it's like

as the story goes on, it's like three months from the time she's murdered to the trial, and I'm just like, so grateful that it's no longer winter.

100%.

So she leaves the coat at home.

But that does lead us into the recap.

You actually watched the whole series on Saturday and Sunday.

And obviously, there was so much hype and fanfare.

And it's obviously a good show.

But I do think like it was a little, there was just, it just makes me realize like people are desperate for content because 100%.

This was not big little lies.

No.

No, people were treating this like game of thrones.

Like, yes, literally, let's all get together and we'll just have a watch party.

Let's talk who do you think did it?

Who is it?

Because we were like, who's going to be the same?

I literally think that the entire

world was watching last night's episode.

episode.

And it's like, if we weren't so bored, this show wouldn't have garnered the amount of fanfare that it did.

It would have just went on.

And it would have been good.

And it's a good show.

And

I'm not, and it's always nice to have a good piece of premium content.

And I wasn't bothered by the ending at all.

I didn't feel let down by it.

I thought it was very smart.

But, like, you could have watched, and as I was watching the episodes, I said this.

I was like, you could have watched episode one and maybe two, because in two, you find out about the affair.

And then just the last episode.

All the stuff in the middle, it's like her sitting around crying, going, talking to someone someone else, thinking, crying, going, bringing here, talk to the son, cry.

Also, go to the jail, cry.

Well, so I was definitely disappointed in the ending because it was just like we didn't get anywhere.

But at the same time, I think that the point of the show, and I'm not by any means like an interpreter of the arts, but I think it was meant to be that this journey we went on, like feeling like Hugh Grant definitely did it.

Oh, wait, no, he definitely did not.

Let's look around and find someone else who did it.

It couldn't have been him, too.

Oh, wait, spoiler alert, was definitely him.

That's what Nicole Kidman went through.

Like, we're supposed to be, the whole story was told from Nicole Kidman's point of view, and like, we went on that emotional roller coaster with her, too.

That wasn't enough for me at the end.

Like, when he was driving on the bridge, I'm like,

Do something crash a car.

Like, give me something.

He didn't do anything.

He didn't jump off the bridge.

I thought the kid might have gotten hurt.

It was nothing.

Like, everyone was fine.

Right, but that's also because, from what I understand, because of his like narcissist personality disorder, like, he was never actually going to hurt himself.

He just wanted all the attention.

Got it.

Got it.

Right.

The helicopters.

Yeah, caring about him.

And I I do think that they ripped the ending straight from Annie.

Now, let me explain.

Let me explain.

If you aren't familiar with Annie, you know the scene where

Miss Hannigan and Rooster, her brother, they take Annie and they kidnap her.

And she climbs that thing.

And at House Warbucks, they realize that Annie's gone and they get in the helicopter.

And as Rooster's ascending, like the railroad tracks, they're trying to get the helicopter to meet.

Annie.

And when Grace and her dad were in the helicopter and they're like going to the bridge to try and get the kidnapped child.

I'm like, this is just plagiarism.

No, by the way, I see it.

When they were in the helicopter, like frantic looking for a missing child, I was like, is this Emmy?

Wow.

You know, I haven't seen Annie in so long, but you're totally right.

Well, thank you so much.

And like, I posted it on my story, and there's a couple hundred people

who agree with me and like, thank you.

I feel so seen.

But so many people were like, actually, I voted what, but now, like, no, you're right.

You know, I definitely see it.

Yeah.

It just wasn't the climax in any way.

Like, in terms of TV quality, drama, suspense, you know,

cliffhanger, plot twists, we got none of that.

No, but I do think that it was really smart because it's like, we just all believe

and we all went on this journey in our heads.

I came up with the most brilliant theory that I spoke about on the Patreon last week where I really thought I had figured out the ending and it would have been, and that's what we're so used to in TV, like the most crazy twist endings that like in reality make no fucking sense.

But that's how we're trained.

I really thought that Elena was the grandfather's illegitimate daughter and that he had her killed because she was getting too close to Nicole Kidman and Hugh Grant.

Like, that's what I thought.

Yeah, no, it just, like, it was just so obvious.

And I liked it.

It definitely, it's smart.

And it made you think.

And we went on that journey with Nicole Kidman, but I also felt like at times I wasn't seeing the show from her point of view because I felt like there were things about her that we didn't know.

Like,

there was also that underlying thing, like, did she do it?

Is she schizophrenic and she has multiple personalities?

And we didn't know that, like, we actually saw her do this.

Yeah.

And the detectives are like, I feel like she's hiding something.

Like, they were pretty on point the whole time what was she hiding yeah why was she walking right there but also i think that that um hugh grant's lawyer who was like amazing at her job she did make some valid points about like what what makes hugh grant a suspect versus elena's husband yeah they both had like reasonable doubt or whatever or uh circumstantial evidence yes no I she was a great lawyer.

She made compelling points, just enough to plant the seed of doubt in the jurors' minds, because you don't have to like convince them that it was someone else, but you just need to convince them them that it's possible.

It's possible that it wasn't Hugh Grant.

Yes.

And they were doing a good job.

Yeah.

I, you know, I was suspicious of that blonde friend, Sylvia, too, but she ended up being a real one.

No, she was such a real one from the beginning.

I knew it.

I said to Zach, I'm like, that's a good friend.

Like, she had the cab waiting when Grace was at school and everyone was talking shit about her.

And she's like, let's get in the car and let's go.

Yeah, no, she was a good friend.

Yeah.

And everyone doubted her and like said that she was the sad fuck.

Yeah, no, that she was the side chick.

She was the sad fuck.

What's that?

Oh, when he said he had two affairs.

One was like because they were both really upset, and Haley was like, a sad fuck.

Oh, yeah, no, it was 100% Sylvia.

Jury's still out.

It still could be.

I mean, it's a limited series.

I don't believe there's going to be a season two.

I really don't need one.

I don't know if it's going to be for a season two.

Yeah.

And I liked how it all ended.

I'm glad I got to participate, but I just...

Maybe if I had been like the first person to see it, I would be like, this is the best show everyone has to watch.

And by being the last person to see it, I'm like, what are you guys talking about?

I think collectively everyone was like pretty

let down.

No, but like, I didn't think there was anything wrong wrong with the ending.

I thought it was really good.

I thought the ending was great.

Like, I think if it had been some far-fetched ending, like that just would have been stupid.

I thought it was smart.

I really think it was smart.

I'm saying the rest of the show, like episodes two through five, were so fucking boring.

I said, technically unnecessary now, knowing what we know.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's fair.

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Okay, Real Houses of Potomac, actually getting pretty good.

I'm not going to lie.

Yeah.

I'm feeling, you know, this has been a transitional season for me.

Like I feel like I'm turnt on almost everyone I was turned on and now people I was turned on I just love.

Like I really was not a huge Karen Huger fan before this, but I've seen the light and the error my ways.

Yeah, no, she is everything of the sort.

Like, and it makes me so sad how the women disrespect her.

And I especially Giselle.

Like I'm fucking done with Giselle.

And what's so crazy is the women, you know, team who like Giselle, Robin, Candace, Wendy, like, they really, really think they are so right, you know?

And like, even at the dinner, the dominatrix dinner, they were like,

you're on the wrong time, you're on the wrong team.

And it's like, they can't even see the fact that they might be wrong, let alone the fact that they are completely wrong.

And it's like watching and then reading Twitter, and it's like every single person agrees with the fact that like Karen and Monique and Ashley are the queens of the season and the other girls are just like out of control in their thinking.

is so interesting.

I wonder like if they've realized, if they've seen the other side yet.

Well, I feel like a lot of the decisions you make as a housewife on air are as a result of how you think you'll come off yeah 100% and I think that a lot of like especially like Robin and Giselle who are taking this like moral high ground over Monique I think that they're doing that anticipating that the audience will agree with them like that they want to be on the right side of the audience's opinion.

Yes, plus I think that you know Giselle I think so many people love Giselle She's really a fan favorite and I think that she thinks that if she takes this stance that like the audience will follow will follow because there are some people in the Housewives franchises who it's like whatever they, whoever side they're on is the side that I'm on.

And she thinks that she's that person and she's not that person.

She's almost always on the wrong side.

But like we forgive her because she's so great and everything of the sort, but she's quickly becoming nothing of the sort.

No, she's so mean.

She's so mean.

And her commentary, she's just so snide about everyone and everything.

She's so hypocritical.

You know, like I,

it's one thing to be mean when you're perfect.

But like she is just like throwing stones when she lives in a glass house herself.

And a really big one, and one that easily shatters.

Yes.

I'm just like, and I don't care about Ahern Jamal anymore.

Like, it's crazy.

Like, I really was obsessed with her.

And I've just completely turned on her.

And I just think she's like so mean.

And I hope that at the reunion, maybe some of the women start taking, like, you know, backstepping a little bit because the audience is not on their side at all.

But who do you think is going to back down from their position?

Like, I don't see, it's obviously not going to be Candace.

It's not going to be Giselle.

It's not going to be Wendy.

It's not going to be Wendy.

And Robin goes where Giselle goes.

So, like, we're stuck.

We're stuck.

It's just like, I can't believe that all the women, Monique and Candace, like have not been in the same room.

I know.

It was so nice to see Monique again.

I missed her so much.

She's just so fabulous.

It's so crazy to me.

I was watching the last scene in Portugal when, you know, Ashley says that she is going to be

writing the statement.

And they like, It's so illogical.

Candace, like, how dare you?

How could you do this to me?

And it's like, Candace, you had every right to sue Monique for what she did to you, but like to not expect that Monique has that same right to defend herself is insane.

No, no, it's literally a level of delusion that I can't relate to.

It's so crazy.

Like, obviously, she's going to protect herself.

Like, you put her in this position.

You took it to this place.

Right, and now it's here.

And now, like, if you weren't prepared.

And you're mad that she's just not being like, you're right.

I'm sorry.

Take me to jail.

If you weren't prepared to like have a legal battle, then don't take it to court.

Don't take it to court.

It's shocking.

And I just have to say, like, all these women who are being so mean to Karen about the wig line and how it, like, makes no sense that she's releasing a wig line and they didn't know anything about it.

First of all, I don't know anything about my friends' businesses.

Like, you know what I mean?

What?

She has to update you every time she writes a deck?

It's so, they're so fucking mean.

Like, first of all, when she did La Don Perfume, she, she told everyone about it too early.

And then the whole time they're like, where is it?

Where is it?

Where is it?

So this time, she told them about it when it was here.

And that's not good enough.

I had them heard about it.

Them saying, like, it doesn't make sense for her to do wigs.

Like, she's not the queen of of wigs.

I'd just say, there's something about embarrassing yourself on TV so many times and then really getting your, now I say she probably is the best wigs in the group.

And she came from literally her wig falling off at dinner and her, like, hairline being so far back.

Like, I would buy a wig from Karen Huger.

Who knows more about bad wigs versus good wigs than Karen?

100%.

And why isn't they acting like it's so crazy?

Like, both Kenya and

Marlowe have hair care products.

Housewives in all over other cities have like hair care, skincare, makeup.

Giselle starting a makeup line.

Nobody thinks, oh, look at Giselle.

We haven't heard about her makeup line in a while.

Oh, I don't think I look at Giselle.

I want her foundation.

No one thinks that.

So I think that's weird.

Yeah.

Also, when Giselle was like, um,

shit, what she was like, another thing from Karen.

What two things?

No, you're like, why are they just mad at Karen for wanting to better herself and like become a businesswoman?

Like, I don't, I don't know.

Karen can do nothing right and not in the way that they want it because she tried it being like telling them from the onset and it was like so much talk of La Dom and where's the bottle?

There's nothing in it.

It's water.

Right.

And now she's like, okay, I'll give it to you when it's good and ready.

And it's like, this came out of nowhere.

Like I just.

And I just have to say, a lot of them looked really good.

Candace actually looked good in that blonde way.

They looked like high quality shit.

Like 100%.

I would buy one.

100%.

100%.

They're just so disrespectful towards her.

And I love the fact that like when they were in the at the party and I forget what they were even talking about and when oh this really bothered me I'm sorry this was it when they were talking about parents drinking

and it's always really bothered me.

Like, if someone doesn't want to drink, they don't have to drink.

And if it's because she's embarrassed about what she said the last time she was drunk, that's an extremely legitimate reason not to drink.

And it's also a legitimate reason to not want to tell people that you're embarrassed.

Like, and Giselle being like, just own up to the fact that you're embarrassed about what you said when you were drunk.

It's like, you're so mean.

I couldn't agree more.

And they're so irrational.

Like, of course, she doesn't want to drink around you.

She let her guard down.

It came back a few episodes later, the things that she said.

And this is in a group where she feels comfortable.

Everyone is so mean to her.

She learned her lesson.

no i couldn't agree more first of all someone's drinking is nobody's business i was glad that karen said that like if i don't want to drink that should be okay with you guys i don't need a reason i don't need an ulcer i don't need a note from my doctor that i don't want to drink but her comeback to robin about her drinking and by the way it's clear there's some there's something more because michael next week also says he knows something about wand yeah no when she was like when robin was like are you worried about what you're gonna say when you're drinking and Karen just whips her out.

She did not miss a B.

Did not miss a B.

He's like, you should be worried about what Juan says when he's drinking.

No, it's so hard.

And Robin was like, take this wig off.

She was like, so pissed.

No, it was such a fire comeback.

And then she just bounced the fuck out of the party.

She had a few moments of fire comeback.

Receive that.

Towards Robin, who just needs to be put in her place.

So hard.

Karen comes to the party, the dominatrix party, where everyone is like dressing wild and crazy.

And they're making fun of Karen's outfit that she looks like Corella Deville.

Like, fuck off.

Obviously,

She know you're right

Nobody respects Karen She doesn't want to do anything because she's the only one like literally Candice comes in in a full garb and it's like yes Candice Candice is half Karen's age half no and like Candice looked amazing ever I would never have like sure there were some outfits at the party that I wasn't thrilled with most of them and it honestly dressing in costume and like putting yourself out there like that like the last thing you want to hear from your friends is a dig I it just it like it cuts me deep no I know

I know so when Robin was like you look like Corella Deville and Karen was like you look like a hooker on the side of the street but you don't hear me saying nothing about that like thank you no I couldn't agree more also there was literally like I'm all for making fun of someone when like they do something weird there was nothing wrong with Karen's outfit like it was all black with a fur stall she looked great anything like because she had a fur collar she's Corella Deville like really that's the best we're coming up with limited like

No, I just

I'm so I'm so annoyed on on all fronts,

me too.

It ain't right.

Especially when you're coming through with hats like that.

You know, that's the thing.

It's like, I'm all for like poking fun at people.

But if you're going to poke fun, like you have to be ironclad.

Like your business has to be good.

Your finances have to be good.

Your marriage has to be good.

Your house has to be nice.

And I'm sorry, Robin Dixon has none of those things.

No, also.

I'm all for poking fun at people here and there when they do something that's worthy of being poked at.

But to consistently get away with that.

But every time Karen opens her mouth, every time she shares with the group, she's trying to be like open and honest.

and they just like make fun of her.

And they take advantage of it.

It's so cruel.

I agree.

No wonder.

Who the fuck would want to?

If I was Karen, I would not want to drink ever.

Now it's like, okay, I thought we were cool.

I thought we could all hang, but now we're going to make it weird.

Great.

This is work for me.

I will just use this show to do my job.

Message received.

Message received.

Like, she got the message.

She has received.

Received.

Right.

And I'm glad that she left.

She paid the bill.

Fuck you.

Yeah, that was so good.

She was just really on one last night.

I mean, I understand exactly where she's coming from.

Like, these women, women, they come for her.

Like, they don't,

she's an institution.

They have no respect.

Yeah.

I did cringe at the bathtub scene.

It was very Tamaran Eddie, but not nearly as bad.

But, like, I loved that Ray, like, took his, started to take his clothes off.

And I was like, please let him shut the door because, like, he's an old man.

And, like, he doesn't need it.

No, it's enough.

It's teaching.

It looks good.

And then, like, we hear Karen's laughter, and it's like, that's beautiful.

Yeah, I'm happy.

As opposed to like a moan.

Stop.

I mean, I think that, like, Tamara will probably agree.

Like, that was one of her biggest regrets.

Like, that scene was just awful.

Yeah, it's never a a good place to be, but it's Karen, she's cute.

Yeah, but you know, a housewife is like super desperate when they get to that place.

So, I just hope that Karen's feeling good.

Yeah, and I hope that things are going better for her and Ray.

And I just hope, like, the reunion is transformative, like, for Karen, for Monique, like, for all these things.

I hope like Robin gets what she really needs.

I hope Giselle gets like called out on all of her bullshit.

Candace, like, a little bit of your hypocrisy is showing.

Like, I hope it.

I hope that you know, Andy does the work.

Yeah, no, I hope that he does it on behalf of of the fans because it really seems like this is how people feel.

Yeah.

But it was actually, it was a very good episode.

And season finale is next week.

And then we have reunion.

So I'm just looking forward to justice being served.

Always.

It's always nice to see it happen.

Yeah.

Reunion will be good.

Is there anything else you want to say?

Wrap up?

No,

I mean, I watched a lot of stuff.

Oh, folklore.

Folklore.

Very good.

Yeah, no, really well done.

What were some of, like, as a member of the DeSwifty code, what were some of the codes that you were happy to uncode?

Well, that obviously one of the songwriters on the songs was a guy named William Bowery, and it ended up being Joe Alwyn, her boyfriend, which is just crazy because she spoke a lot about how like on three separate songs, like he literally wrote like the verse in the chorus.

Like, I didn't even know he could sing or play piano or write music.

Yeah, no.

Shocking, first of all.

Shocking.

Second of all, what I really liked about the documentary is like a lot of times, you know, Taylor's songwriting is like real storytelling.

So it's not hard to figure out what it's what it's about.

But there's a few songs that like a legit could not understand, like Epiphany epiphany and hoax um

that made no sense to me and hearing her explain them oh like it's so obvious like yeah the comparison about like what her grandfather went through at some um like he was in the war at some battle and like he never spoke about it because it was so painful to like what she saw like healthcare workers going through like how like some of them are gonna be traumatized after this and like never be able to talk about what happened um that made sense but like at first when i heard the song i'm like what is this girl talking about and then also getting new layers to a lot of her songs like this is me trying

um which is such a good song.

And I have so much more respect for it because, like, that's how everyone feels.

It's not just about celebrity and fame.

It's just like, I'm just trying to get by.

Like, help.

Yeah.

I really liked Achieve and I shout out to Carrie Underwood when she was talking about like country music.

That was so funny.

So funny.

When she was like, that trope, like that songwriting

tool where you're like, there was a man and he met a woman and then they had me.

Like, I was dying.

And I knew exactly what she's talking about.

Like, songs that like paint a picture.

Like, I'm not sure why Carrie Underwood.

Songs that paint a picture, and then, like, have this, like, plot twist at the end.

And that's-like, when you break the song.

And then it was bought by me.

It was so funny.

And, like, hearing her explain that, like, I just lived for it because I totally knew what she was talking about.

Yeah, no, that was pretty sweet.

The outfits were just not working for me, but it's clear that, like, there is this aesthetic for folklore, and it's like very grungy.

And it's just, it's not my favorite, but the outdoor look with the hat was good.

It was good.

It was the best of the looks.

But overall, they were all quite bad.

I just, I don't get it.

I really was very interested by Aaron Dessner.

Like, he seems like this, like, a guy who has a lot of stories, you know.

And I think he was like, really, he's shy.

It's his long pond.

He owns the studio and the pond.

And the pond that comes with it.

And I, like, that's a man of taste to me.

Yeah.

And what I learned was that, like, he had the track already made for Peace.

And like, he just sent her this weird piece of music because she was like, send me like the weirdest stuff you have.

And she wrote on Peace.

But like, he had created that beautiful piece of music.

They did that a lot where he just like sent her instrumentals and she put her stuff on it yeah but knowing that aaron dessner is the king of peace

and hearing them talk about it was like obviously it was like honestly emotional for me like i it was aaron dessner is a true man of taste and we got a little cameo from um

boniver yes why was he wearing a mask uh he was in his own house was oh i don't know maybe maybe there was a person on with the camera wait but he was singing like it was obviously dubbed over because oh you think there was like if you're singing in a mask there's gonna be fuzz.

Oh, I thought it was really him.

I think it was dubbed for sure.

No, that's a nice voice.

I also thought Bony Bear was like 60, so it was interesting to hear he's like a contemporary and see.

And he's like handsome.

Yeah, no, but and that he's like a new artist because I was reading stuff about like past Grammy nominations, and he won best new artists like a few years ago.

Yes.

I like thought Bony Bear was, you know, one of the great rock like idols of the 80s.

Oh, my God.

I just really did.

Yeah.

No, he's like one of us.

No, I thought he was like, you know, know, Steven Tyler, Bony Bear.

Are you serious?

Like, Led Zeppelin?

I mean, I never thought about it like too hard, but if you had asked me how old is Bony Bear, I would have been like, oh, 50, 60.

Wow, that's crazy.

Yeah.

I just like remember when I was in high school, he was like a young new guy.

So like now I was young then, so we're like the same age.

Yeah, no, I always, I also thought it was Bon Iver.

And I so did everyone else.

Yeah, and I was like, and it should be.

And I thought that he was just like a legend.

Yeah.

The legend of the rock was way hard cold.

I'm so glad to have like clear that that up for you.

Yeah, no, I mean, Taylor did, but yeah.

I did too.

You know, it was great.

I'll definitely be watching it again.

That's the type of content we need in these dark times, and I really appreciated it.

It was very well done.

Yeah.

Any other interesting factoids were there?

No, Jack Antonoff is just like so quirky, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

When he was performing August, just like vibing out so hard.

August is like pretty much like the only, that and the last great American Dynasty are the only like upbeat-ish songs, and he was just like vibing so hard.

Like he was just excited to like dance.

Yeah, I have a question.

She was in LA, and she made her like kitty committee studio at home in her bedroom.

I don't know why.

Why didn't that was?

She said she was in LA.

Did she?

Yeah, she said she was in LA during quarantine.

Why didn't she just go to Nashville where she has a studio?

Right?

Doesn't she have a studio in one of her homes?

She must, but

and doesn't she have a plane?

Yeah, it probably wasn't that hard to like get the studio set up and she was like happy in LA.

Maybe like her family was there.

She wanted to travel with her parents.

I don't know.

Okay.

It just like seemed like I, and she has a studio in New York.

I understand why she didn't want to come here, but

she doesn't have a studio in New York.

She said that she did.

No.

She films at a, she always records at Electric Studio, like where Lady Gaga like walked out of the Joanne documentary and those like Danna Mundys.

Got it.

Also, I feel like her past few albums, it's like every heartbreak had been about like, you know, Kanye and the cancellation and that really like colored all of her like writing experience.

And now it's like all Scooter Braun and Scott was shut up.

Yeah.

In everything she was saying when she was like, and this hurt and this like pain, I was like, betrayer.

When Scooter, when Scott, it's more so Scott is the betrayer betrayer because, like, he, when she was like, you have a best friend who knows exactly how to hurt you, and then, like, turns around and does that.

Like, she's talking about Scott because she has no friendship with Scott.

My tears ricochet is 100% about Scott.

But there were so many times when she was explaining songs and she talks about the betrayal and the pain or an experience or a heartbreak.

And it just feels like she's talking about the big machine.

Every time.

Every single time.

Yeah, I didn't really realize how much the lakes is about scooter broad.

Oh my god.

So I had only heard the lakes once or twice and it didn't really resonate with me.

But then when she explained the song, I was like, this is my song.

Like where we moved to a farm.

Take me to the lakes where all the poets went to die.

I don't belong.

When you just leave it all and you go live the farm chemony.

Jackie, this line is like us.

Those Windermere peaks look like the perfect place to cry.

Like, that's what we need.

Like, we just need a peak to cry on.

No, like, the lakes, that's...

That's me.

Yeah.

You know?

It's such a good song.

And they did it.

That's what she said.

The poets, they did it.

They left.

And they just did.

They left all toxicity and they did the thing that would make them happy, still working, still doing their art, but, you know, in a little cottage with some, what's it called?

Wisteria.

Yes.

On the, like, on the house.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree.

I thought, and she said, like, that's what, it's like the message of the whole album is the lakes.

It was like the final song.

So, like, and that, I'm sorry, but like, that message, that idea of like leaving it all behind and saying goodbye to the things that make you unhappy and going to your happy place, like, that's the farm of Chemin lifestyle.

And, like,

we just relate, like, she calls it the lakes.

I call it farm of chemon.

Yeah.

It's the same thing.

100%.

No, like, and it's just this common idea.

Like, we have so much in common.

We truly do.

And I really wouldn't, I didn't know that that's a good idea.

And we wouldn't have understood it.

No, no, I wouldn't have.

I agree.

I think the whole documentary gave me a brand new appreciation for the lakes.

100%.

So it was excellent.

I highly recommend it.

Light a candle, catch a vibe.

Yeah, I didn't have the candles lit, but I still.

I had a few.

I caught the vibe.

Fabulous.

What else did you watch?

I watched Married at First Sight.

I watched season six.

I stumbled upon it, and it was like good.

You know what it really is?

It's love is blind, really.

Like, you would like it because it's the same.

Like, so they pick two people by matchmakers.

Like, there's a lot of intention behind the two people that they set up.

It's not really just like picking someone.

And they go, they have a little wedding.

They go on their honeymoon.

They have to go and get an apartment together.

And it's like six weeks.

It's just like Love is Blind.

It really felt the exact same.

And the season was so good.

It was good.

It was like the couples, there were some one couple that lasted, but one of the guys, he was with this girl who was just like so so not nice to him and he was like really really trying and she was just like being awful and i wanted to know obviously they didn't they broke up before even like decision day and i wanted to know what happened to each of them and i went to his instagram and he's like engaged to this woman who has children i was like so happy for him and as i'm like looking closer at the photos

it's her the marriage counselor from the show oh my god and like she's so cute and they are so happy together and i was like all i wanted the whole time was for him to just like find happiness.

Was obviously not to be with this girl, but like there was another couple that was on the rocks.

I'm like, he'd be good with her.

Like, I just wanted him to be with someone and see this journey for him.

Wait, that's crazy.

I was so shook.

That's crazy.

And that made the whole season worth it.

Worth it.

Totally, totally.

I've never watched it, but people love it.

Yeah.

And if you ever got around to watching it, you would like it because it's like great reality TV content and we love to see it.

It's just, I know your content plate is full.

So full.

Yeah.

Okay, great.

Well, that sounds fabulous.

And that was fabulous.

It was great talking to you again.

Great to see you.

Great to see you.

And tell Cynthia, my love.

Of course, always.

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