At A Cross-Dressing Crossroads: Wednesday, February 5th, 2025

Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to The Toast, and happy Wednesday.
Okay, it's Wednesday. It's the middle of the week.
It's a hump day. However, you in particular are going to get through that, whether it's with a pillow-humping saddle or just humping someone you love.
Do what you gotta do. Happy Wednesday, swirlies.
How you doing? Happy Wednesday. It is the day of the Wens, which feels fair.
You know, it's like, yesterday was a shock to the system. Today, today it is what it is when we're done with this episode we will have ushered you into the latter half of the week and we just have to keep looking towards the future I find myself like as I get older saying it is what it is more and more and it's just like it is what it is I mean it's a great convo ender while also being agreeable and accepting the things that we can't change.
Yes, yes. And I actually also find myself quoting that Alcoholics Anonymous blurb more often than I care to admit because it's kind of pargy.
It has nothing to do with alcoholism. It has to do with like God and courage.
Yeah, it has to do with faith, like accepting the things that I cannot change, which is the fact that it's Wednesday. And I'm just going to accept that.
Speaking of quotes, I actually saw the most beautiful quote yesterday that borderline brought me to tears. And it came from TikTok.
I shared this on my Instagram, so I apologize if this is repetitive, but it bears repeating. Nostalgia is proof you are living a life to be proud of.
How lucky we are to yearn for our own memories that's beautiful it's such a pargy way of thinking because nostalgia like when you really get into it like can be so depressing it's like the good days are behind us but it's like no you've lived such a pargy life like you're yearning for it yearn for your own things that you have had i just wasn't expecting to be like hit with such a fresh positive perspective on tiktok i wasn really really like that we recorded redheads yesterday about the Parchi book that we read and at the end of every episode we do like moral of the story where we try and like wait wait I started the redheads book yesterday so please don't spoil anything I won't spoil anything but um that's always a fun segment especially after we've discussed the whole book we come to the moral of the story this book actually had a lot of morals like that you could have extrapolated from it um but actually I guess I don't want to give away the moral of the story all to say there's some really good quotes in that segment when the redheads drops tomorrow the episode is fire and if you are a reader or want to become a reader read the wedding people start there I want to have a conversation with you about the redheads okay because i know it's your passion project and you love it and like you crush it amazing yeah but like at what point are we gonna have the conversation about me joining the redheads like at what point like because when you started the redheads like i refuse to read so i'm like i literally did not think you were gonna say that i thought you were you were just going to be like, does nobody else at this point,

like feel like it's weird that I'm not in it or no,

nobody thinks that.

I would love for you to be a part of the redheads.

The issue is though,

like five people is too much for a podcast.

Cause you've been on the redheads before,

like for two different episodes.

So you would have to come for someone's seat.

And I think you should start with Margo.

Like if you're trying to like take someone's seat,

like see if Margo,

I love having Margo on the show.

She brings a fresh young perspective.

She chooses books that we wouldn't choose.

Thank you. seat and I think you should start with Margo like if you're trying to like take someone's seat like see if Margo I love having Margo on the show she brings a fresh young perspective she chooses books that we wouldn't choose and like she hates like there's always someone who hates the book as much as Margo so like she speaks for that person um but I do think like that's the chair that someone might get up from if I had to pick I am in agreement that there can never be five redheads like it it's far too many.
Four is already like really pushing it. And especially like, you know, me.
I'm literally three people. So with the amount that I talk.
So I agree. And I guess it would be good for the redheads to know like if any of them ever wanted to leave, like I am available.
That's a good feeling. That is so nice to hear.
That's not what I thought you were going to say. So I'm just like feeling really um excited by that that there's interest to be clear I want to let you know like if I were to join the redheads like it very much is like your thing like I'm showing up as an employee like I don't want I don't want to bear any of the responsibility I just want to be a host like I like what you've done with it I like your outlines like I'm not coming for like a a c-suite executive type of role I just want to be like a mid to you know entry-level employee okay I love that like I should take Margo's temperature I think she actually loves being a redhead even though she acts like it's such a burden but I think she loves the time spent with her big sis and her big sis's friends and I do think that she at the end of the day like likes being forced to read different types of books and I don't know how she feels we need to do a state of the union like how are the girlies feeling I know Dana and Rebecca love it like yeah no I wasn't right it from their cold dead hands same for me yeah no I just but it's putting it out there well next month's book that Rebecca chose I've been seeing it everywhere It's like called like all the colors of the something.
And it's so acclaimed, but it is 600 pages. So like, what if we did, what if that chair was like an alternate chair? No, no.
What if I joined the month after that? The month after that is Dana's choice. Could also be.
It would just be like whatever, whatever months the books are under 400 pages. I'll be there.
But like, what about when you don't like the book and you have to finish it by the way I am I finish books that I hate all the time I'm not like uh so stubborn especially if it's for something I have to read like I I can hang and nobody loves to hate on a book more than me so I can fill that role I know but I can be I can be that like I can bring that energy that Margo brings to the redheads while also bringing to herself, you know? Okay, well, Margot won't listen to this episode, but I'm sure someone will tell her Claudia's coming for your scene on the redheads. Yeah.
And let's see. And by the way, maybe she'll then want it more.
Yeah, she'll know it's very coveted. Let's see what happens from there.
Well, I have a huge, huge news. I actually have two huge pieces of news for the community ready okay the first is just like a little house oh actually three sorry but the third one isn't huge just

a little housekeeping update I forgot to watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills so dear toasters

is today woohoo the DTQ getting their fill a little bit early I do think the DTQ is larger

than the BHQ so but nobody watches Real Housewives of Beverly Hills I know except for us

Thank you. Phil a little bit early.
It was supposed to be tomorrow. I do think the DTQ is larger than the BHQ.
But nobody watches The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I know, except for us.
That's so us. Like, that is so us.
So that was first out. You didn't watch last night.
And at times I'm like, why are we watching the show? Like, it's feeling like a chore. It's not feeling like Southern Charm.
However, the end of the episode when Kathy Hilton hosted a dinner party for Kathy, Dorit, Bose, and Erica. Oh, the Dream Team? The Dream Team.
That's why I'm watching The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Oh, okay.
And they had a real conversation about Dorit's marriage and Erica is being the friend that you need. She's being Phoebe.
If you've read The Wedding People, she's being Phoebe. That's why we're watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
So you know. Okay.
So that makes me feel better, but there is no recap today. So Dear Toasters, Housekeeping Wednesday, back to our roots, you know.
So that's the first announcement. The second announcement is we've been keeping you guys updated on our theme song journey.
And I want to let everybody know that we are getting in the studio this week. Jackie, your first session is tomorrow, correct? My first session is tomorrow or is it Friday? Oh my God.
My week just got sort of like blown to bits. Here I was like bragging.
We got over the flu and it was the weekend and blah, blah, blah. And then how I got an ear infection has been like really sick with it.
So like I kind of have to like wipe the slate clean for the week, except it's Friday. We'll be fine.
My appointment's Friday to record. Oh my God.
I took a video of myself. If the ear infection that has infected your son is listening to this, my nephew, if you're hearing me just know you better fucking pray i don't see you in the streets because what you've done to my poor nephew sleeping with his hand on his ear he's in so much pain i'll fucking kill you i'll fucking kill you and your musty dusty germy ass okay i feel sick that my nephew has an I feel fucking sick.
No, it's like so annoying because I guess an ear infection like is a result of a sickness and then like it sprouts afterwards. Yeah.
So we were like out of the woods, fever free for like 48 hours and then back. And so like we went back to the doctor yesterday.
So it's an ear infection. So he's on an antibiotic and it'll get cleared up.
But just like. I feel so sick from this.
We made all these plans. Well, you're still going to be hitting the recording studio on Friday.
In two days, like a lot changes in two days. And the recording studio is my house.
So, yeah. And how are you preparing for your first session? We had a lengthy discussion with our producer about, you know, whose vocals should get laid down first.
We ultimately decided that it was Jackie's. And how are you feeling like what are you doing to prepare so I'm obviously memorizing the song however I can't really change the way I'm singing it until I get feedback from the producer I did take a video of myself singing it and I thought how could you not have sent that I thought I kind of crushed it until like the last line I had to like redo it was bad that's okay um maybe I Maybe I should send that to him, but I don't want to scare him.
He doesn't know, you know. Well, he does.
I spoke to him. So I've worked with him before and he knows obviously my vocal abilities.
And I said, it's really important. Like I know that I'm like a vocal star, but it's important that Jackie and I are represented 50-50.
Like I want just as amount of syllables as Jackie as me. But I did say Curtis, you know, Jackie just for like, does not have an amazing voice.
Yeah. And he can auto tune me, but I still want it to be myself.
Otherwise it's like we could have hired a professional. However, in this moment, like I'm not super like egotistic about like being, you know what I mean? Like I want what's best for the song.
Like if that means that you are getting like 80% of it, like that doesn't bother me. I just want you to know.
Like, can I tell you it actually bothers me and I'm so egotistical. Like if we're doing a dance, I want to be in the center.
Like I want my picture bigger than everybody else is like, I want to be the main character. But for this, like this show is such a equal partnership.
Our theme song must reflect that. And I don't care how bad you sound.
Like you are getting in there and you are doing the routine the routine yeah I guess because like we're not actually putting out a song like it's a theme song it can be fun it doesn't have to be good like there's space for me but I always let you know when like I'm like I want visibility on something like this isn't if if you know if I don't have what it takes like no I just don't have what it takes when I think of some of the people who have released music, especially like, think about the Bravo sphere. If Alex Van Kampen, what's his name? Simon Van Kampen can do it.
So can you. That's true.
And your voice, like actually, it's so funny because your voice is obviously not good, but you're not a total lost cause. Like there are people, Brian Kelly.
I'm not a lost cause. Has one of, like he can't even carry Happy even carry happy birthday like the worst voice ever you actually like you don't have an amazing voice but you can carry a tune i mean i have a bad voice but i'm very musical you know so like i i can understand the beats and the rhythm and everything except like the sound of my voice is bad but like i'm not just like totally off yeah my third and final big announcement is probably the biggest announcement I'll make today I feel like today so far this episode is just like me fishing for compliments like about my voice and the redhead yes it's actually so like you're like really showering me with no but it's also like you you're just being so complimentary I slept really well maybe that's what what it is yeah um my third and I just wanted to update everybody.
If you listen to Monday's episode, Jackie and I accidentally like just discovered an amazing photographer. If you know, you know the Michael Buckner of it all on Monday's episode.
I highly encourage. I'm sure you guys have listened to it, but if you haven't just go listen to the fifth and final story, Jackie and I just whatever we have made contact with Michael Buckner.
He slid into myms Michael Buckner has made contact when I tell you my jaw hit the floor seeing him in my dms I was cracking up and I was like kind of afraid I was like is he like upset because he's like a professional turns out he dm'd me being like would love to take your headshot and I was like oh my god I love that but then I went to. Oh, you can't get your headshot taken by Michael Buckner.
Like if you're just anyone, he is literally like the foremost celebrity photographer. I don't know how Christina Hacks boyfriend got a photo with him.
Like you guys, his Instagram, Emma Stone, Ayo Etabiri, Zoe Saldana, Selena Gomez. Like it's that tip of the iceberg, like the best of the best.
And he's in my DMs, like saying he thought it was so funny.

His wife was surprised to hear that he's dating Christina Hack.

And he lives in L.A., unfortunately.

So if he comes to New York, we're going to do a photo shoot.

I told Claudia she has to take maternity photos with him.

And I told Jackie, because the day is going to come where we need to redo our artwork.

I'm sorry.

I don't look like that anymore.

We have to have Michael Buckner Creative direct the shoot. We have to have him do our next toast artwork.
I totally agree. I would only trust Michael.
Like he's kind of the only name and like his vision. Yeah.
He just totally gets us. And he's like the only photographer.
I feel comfortable with that at this point. Well, I echo your statements completely.
And I just, I love what we do because, and sometimes sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, like where we just talk about random people and we hear from that. It's mostly bad, Philip Phillips.
Like we all remember where we were. Your gym teacher.
No, not my gym teacher. My English teacher.
Yes. No, but there was also a gym teacher.
Starts with a D. I'm sure he's listening right now.
No, Jackie, his daughters are huge choasterssters i talk to them all the time that was positive okay it was jackie was my english teacher remember when i said that like thing about him i don't want to get into it i actually don't want to get into it um and sometimes like those people will you know hear it and reach out to us and it's butt-clenchingly horrible like it makes me want to quit this job and actually work as an accountant but every now and then michael buckner comes along and makes it all OK. Yeah.
So that was very exciting. Highlight of the week and really a front runner for Queenie of the Week.
And the fact that he could take a joke like I didn't know that about Michael Buckner, like Michael Buckner takes jokes like I love it. Yeah.
So if you have the chance. You look really cute today.
Oh my gosh. Thank you.
I was thinking we're both in like our winter whites. Yeah.
It yeah it's giving winter wonderland actually this turtleneck is all that fits me right now like I'm just funny really going digging into the archives of clothes that managed to miss the ozempic hall like when I what the second I lost weight I was like oh I'll never be fat again and everything over a size medium can we do our my patreon idea this month of closet swap sure Swap? Sure. And maybe I'll just do it for you.
Because my idea was like that we would each film ourselves. I love doing like a dual vlog now.
Really putting our heads together. She's such a filmmaker.
Very Michael Buckner of you. I'm such a content creator.
But so that I would like take a couple pieces, send them to Turdy. She would film herself like opening them, enjoying them.
Because I have a lot of maternity clothes and things that you would like so can i do that you don't have to then send to me if if people want a part two that's a different story yeah for sure i could also just like come to your house and we could do this you know you could but you don't have why do we have to involve like the postage system i just think it's like such fun pen pal things but i guess not yeah you know how i feel about like bringing. And, okay, but if it's something that you'll wear, I'm not going to send you crap.
Like I'm going to send you like good bodysuits, good material, Norma Kamali, hatch. Like I got you, bro.
You're wearing bodysuits while you're pregnant. You know what? Yes.
Not a bodysuit, a catsuit, like with pants. That's what I wore.
Like the Norma Kamali catsuit. Like it's just a great base and you put a cardigan over part delicious yeah yeah okay i thought you were talking about like a body suit like thong no oh my god no i'm not a sick individual no no no i don't even wear those not pregnant no i just bought a couple of body suit t-shirts where it's like a t-shirt that then goes into your undies um they'll be here on thursday i'll let you know how it goes no i

actually like that concept because if you're looking for like a tucked in tea a bodysuit makes it really easy i just the whole thing of like having a piece of material up your butthole yeah makes makes life not worth living to be honest yeah but also like doing anything and seeing your own midriff makes life worth not living so like this solves that you just said a mouthful there sister my midriff is none of my business yeah i agree so i'm really excited about this new technology i've invested in without technology without technology shout out to the camera and the counselor a timeless classic i was at barnes and noble union square yesterday hosting a book event for brian's uh book tour and they are so funny I was gonna ask but I thought it was obnoxious but anytime I go to a bookstore if they have like one or two copies of my book I like to sign it and then post it on my Instagram if anybody wants to sign copy but you know it was Brian's night so like I wasn't gonna like make it a thing right of course but I get there and this Barnes and Noble Union Square like they're obviously professional they had like 50 of my books and they were like will you sign them I said of course but I was like I hope Brian doesn't see like I don't want him thinking I'm making this event about myself like I actually felt so he didn't he didn't see but then when I was leaving Becca who's like his head of PR she was like oh Brian walked into the green room and saw your books I was like oh no like just so you know I did not it crossed my mind to ask. And honestly, if I just wasn't so lazy, I would have asked.
Like, I'm going all the way there. Like, let me sign some books.
It's like one of the biggest bookstores in the city. But I didn't because I was lazy.
And I did know like that I felt like it was tacky. And I was like, Becca, I swear on my life, this was a total shock.
I didn't ask. And she was like, no, the Barnes & Noble staff told Brian that.
Like, it was their idea. But I just feel like he didn't believe.
It's so crazy. And it's so me like to make everything about myself.
Yeah, but I do feel like you would have been you would like make something about yourself, but not in such an overt way like they're in the green room splayed out. Like you would be like hiding in the back signing books because you want to get the book signed, not like sitting.
Like that's embarrassing. So I believe Turdy stand with okay and by the way i just i swear on my life and anyone who knows you would know that about you like yeah you want to get the book signed but like not in someone else's green room and everybody who knows me like knows if i did do that shit like i would say it like i would own it in a small way i agree i just want to go on record i would let the record reflect like i did I did not ask.
It was such a literary day yesterday because Dean and Becky were at your and Brian's event

and we had just recorded Redheads.

And so.

Oh, kind of like the new era of the Redheads sort of just like coming together.

Yeah.

It's all sort of falling into place.

Just something to think about.

Kind of like a coup de redhead.

Coup de head.

Also, what's so crazy is this month is our five year anniversary of the Redheads.

I don't believe you.

Thank you. Is that the most shocking thing you ever heard? We started in 2020.
That's reminding me of the nostalgia quote. Like, time is flying, Jax.
Five years of the Redheads. We've done 62 books.
63, actually, because I know we did Turney's book as a bonus. We did Camber and Counsel too so 64 64 um which is just amazing but we're coming up on seven years of toast in April right we only did the toast for two years before I started the redheads like I guess because we do it every day and we did yeah 500 episodes before I started the redheads I also like I I can't get into like how long we've been doing the toast you can can't get into at a glance.
It'll turn into at a glance.

And we don't have time for that because we have dear toasters, you know?

And like we'll get to at a glance in our birth month, which is April.

Like that's when we start to start looking at toast at a glance. Our birth month is coming up.

What's our birthstone?

That's a good question.

Let me pick it up.

For our anniversary, we should like get matching jewelry with the toast birthstone

as long as it's a pretty one because my birthstone is not pretty.

That's why I'm always trying to get it. Do you know what the april birthstone is it's very pretty what is it a diamond claudia let's get like diamond diamond necklaces let's get diamond necklaces to celebrate our seven year and you know any excuse you know they say every seven years like you completely change as a person now i don't know if that means like when you turn seven and 14 and 21.
Right. But like every seven years is like a rebirth.
So if we've been doing the toast for seven years, that will mean that like we are completely different people than the beginning, which we are. We are.
Watch the first episode of the toast if you can bear it. We are different people.
Yeah, but not even just physically. No, I'm not even talking about physically but obviously physically yeah no I I actually you could there is an amount of money you could pay me to watch that episode I know but do you ever watch those old episodes have you ever watched because I actually think you would be surprised by how good it is like that you would like it more than you think that you would of course we're like cringe in our accents and like we say like so much not that we don't do all those things now um but we just did it differently back then but i every time i watch it i'm like oh my god we're actually so cute and i don't feel embarrassed i haven't had that experience yet but maybe it's because you're a little bit older than me and you're more mature i think it's just because you you refuse to watch refuse i'm too filled with self-hate to even reflect in a positive way honestly so like I can't do it when is like your last when what time period are you like okay I'm good with that if somebody sends me a clip or something from the apartment we got evicted in the studio with all the windows I can watch that shit okay we were very funny then like I think the pink throne era the pink throne era I don't relate to that person at all like I don't feel like that's me whereas when I see a clip of us in that studio with all the windows I think I'm like oh yeah that's like younger me yeah okay that's cute that's not so far off no no it's not so's not.
So what's your birthstone? Ruby. Pargy.
What's yours? Yellow topaz. Not the greatest.
That's why when like all these birthstone trends, I'm like, oh, I could get like Harry's and Charlie's or Zach's. Our wedding anniversary.
That's why you have kids. Like if you hate your birthstone, you can do someone else's.
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So our first story, while it's not like the most breaking news bit of the day, like it's something that I find deeply interesting on a number of levels. Meghan Markle has teamed up with Billie Eilish to give merch to a teen who lost their home in LA wildfire.
So Meghan Markle. I have studied this video.
Claudia, same. When I saw it, I was like, it took me a second because she never posts on Instagram.
And when she does, it's like really tailored, pre-made content, not like an Instagram video. No, like if anybody else posted this video, any celebrity influencer, like it wouldn't be news.
We wouldn't be talking about it. But this is the fourth post on Megan's Instagram.
And it is a video of her being very excited because she shares a story of how when she was in Altadena a few weeks ago and she was visiting the ashes and people's former homes that there was a community. There was a young girl who was most upset because she got a Billie Eilish t-shirt at a concert and she left it in the washing machine and the washing machine burned down and she lost that memory in that piece of merch and so Megan you know reached out to everyone she knows to get to Billie Eilish to see if she could replace that shirt for the girl and Billie's and her team sent like a package of merch and this girl was going to be so happy which is like a nice story and like Billie's's team went above and beyond like signing records yeah signing everything of course like yeah i just want to say this a dream this is a great story for billy like billy's having a good day 100 she didn't even really have to do anything yep the video is so crazy because as i said it's the fourth video that megan markle's ever posted uh this is like the first post on her feed like about like even the service that they do which they did a lot for the wildfires they were visiting with families and they were photographed doing this and that and she doesn't take like you know videos on her iphone selfie videos like it felt like an influencers they wouldn't even post it to their feed they posted to their story like yes how did this make it to the grid it was also very like edited in the sense that like every three words there was a cut which i don't know if if everybody notices stuff like that.
But considering she's just like passively telling a story, I don't know why there had to be so many cuts. Like what? Why couldn't this like be just, you know, a stream of conscience? I'm very critical of when I see like podcast clips of people like cutting every three words.
I'm like, can you not speak one sentence without cutting? I'm hyper aware of that, too. I think it's because of what we do for a living I don't know if everybody else is but I also like notice the amount of cuts yeah like when I see influencers doing ads like when there are cuts every three words it's like you couldn't just like say it you know right you couldn't say one sentence cut like maybe I sometimes cut out like um a pause or an um oh I always flub my words and I just do it again like cut um but this wasn't that this was she's just like telling a story and there were so many cuts and then it was posted and it was just like so fucking random it was so random the sheer fact that this video made it to feed was like really freaking me out one because you know to do something nice like that like you do it just for for the sake of doing something nice like not for like posting about it on social media and bragging and people are so tough tough on Megan that like, you know, if you're a hater, your first thought is like, why can't you just do like an act of good without bragging about it? And then the other is like, okay, well, it's nice that you want to help people, but like you're using your platform to brag about helping one person with a t-shirt.
Like when the devastation of the fires is so much bigger than that. Personally, I'm not in a Megan hating era.
Like I think she's hilarious and so crazy. Like I don't even begin to understand her, even try to understand her.
Like why she would post this in feed, I could never tell you. Like I understand if she wanted to post it because she thought it was a sweet story.
Billy looks good. It's like, you know, just uplifting.
Like first of all, like post it to stories. It's so material for stories.
And the thing is, like, her and Harry do a lot of community service. That is, like, their job.
They are professional philanthropists. So it's not like she just did one good thing one time and felt the need to brag about it.
But it's like, why now? Why this act of service? It's so random. And it's such a singular act of service because what they do helps millions.
They're always raising money for, you know, the poor.

Global causes, yeah.

Yeah.

Not like one rando girl who, by the way, is just as deserving of this act of service as anybody else.

But it's, like, I'm so confused.

So confused.

Like, and the fact that she was, like, so impressed that her, she was able to reach Billie Eilish.

She thanked Adam Levine and Behati. It's like, you are literally one degree of separation from Billie Eilish.
I'm shocked you didn't have her phone number, but someone you know obviously knows her. Yeah, that was like a little pick me when she was like, and I knew I like wanted to try and get in contact with Billie Eilish, but like I had no idea where to start.
It's like, you're a former member of the monarchy. You can get in contact with whomever you want.
You live in Montecito, your neighbors are Ellen. Like, it's so not hard.
A Billie Eilish would have a hard time getting in touch with you. You would not have a hard time getting in touch with Billie Eilish.
Like, that was just a little, like, can you stop acting like you're not a queen? You are a princess, excuse me. Yeah, that was really weird.
Like, all the celebrities know each other. Like, that was...
They all have the same agents, managers. Someone's publicist is friends with the other person's publicist.
Like it's so connected. It's so connected.
So. But acting like she was going on this arduous journey to get in contact with Billie Eilish when it could have taken her a total of seven minutes.
Literally. She just texts like her one person is like, who do we know that knows Billie Eilish or Phineas? And it's done.
Like, that's it. Or their manager or their agent or their publicist.

Like, someone at their record label.

Literally anyone.

The Hollywood, everyone's teams are like 50 people.

And so many of those team members work on multiple teams.

Yes.

However, so the posting of the video is kind of random.

But I feel like if she's now getting into this, like, content creation era and, like, we can expect stuff like this all the time,

then I guess this was just, like, kicking it off and this is what you wanted to say.

I'm so down. Right but like that starts today like what's what are we, tomorrow? She needs to have a constant stream of 24-hour stories.
Right. But if like the next thing is in two weeks and it's another trailer for With Love Megan, like where does this fall in? I don't know.
She looked so gorgeous. She is so gorgeous.
She is so gorgeous. I was so – you know when you open your phone and it takes you like a second to register what you're saying.
Sometimes you get like a piece of crazy news and you're like not able to read the English that's in front of you. I was like, wait, this is Meghan Markle doing a selfie.
I just couldn't fathom it. No, and the cover photo, I think, was the pile of stuff from Billie Eilish.
So I'm like, what is this pile of stuff? Not the pile of stuff. But really fantastic for Billie and the team.
And then I'm happy for the girl. It's a nice story, as we said.
Of course. Just like a random bit of content.
No, and it makes Billie look great that this piece of positive news about her is put out not by her. Because there is a lot of criticism about celebrities who do charity, but then do press about it like that's an often like a criticism people make a lot of Taylor Swift when often she doesn't even share it it just gets shared because she's so famous um and I mean I get it it's like definitely weird it's just like do the nice thing without like getting attention for it so Billie got that she she didn't you know she was not a part of this announcement whatsoever and now we're like oh look at Billie donating all this product yeah also speaking of Billie I wanted to get your like ask what the streets are saying because when Beyonce won album of the year Billie had tears in her eyes did you see that I didn't and at the time I just kind of like thought maybe she was like so happy for Beyonce but it's like Kacey Musgraves got roasted because like she wasn't smiling big enough meanwhile Meanwhile, Billie was like crying.
But was she crying because she lost her? She was so excited for Beyonce and her first win. Based on a lot of the research I've done post Grammys when it comes to album of the year is that I can actually see Billie like having tears in her eyes because if there was a year for Billie to win the album, like it was that.
And how we're always saying like how Beyonce's year was the year they gave it to Beck.

Yeah.

And it's like,

Beyonce probably cried that year too,

you know?

I didn't see that.

Let me just see.

I'm going to look it up.

I don't know.

You could read either way,

but I was like,

I'm just wondering which one it is.

But then also you said,

so like Billie Eilish was probably like the runner up

for album of the year.

Oh, I see.

You see?

Yeah. She does just have also like really piercing, the color of her eyes but they look watery they do they do and she has like a little bit of like a pursed lip when you're like trying to like swallow the lump in your throat is that crying tears of joy for this icon getting her moment i want to say no like honestly and that's what i was saying about casey musgraves too like, you can be happy for Beyonce and sad for yourself.
That doesn't make you like a woman who doesn't support other women. It just makes you a human being who wanted to win an award like that they were eligible for.
I don't think that's crazy. Okay.
Yeah. No, that makes sense to me.
I was just. Oh, and by the way, she's 1000% crying.
I'm going to send you this particular video. Yeah.
I know. I saw it.
But why are people not saying like she's upset that she lost? Like, just like they said about casey musgraves because i guess they're reading it as like casey being mad that beyonce won while billy's being sad that she lost yeah billy yeah but i don't that's also just people then projecting like they just want casey to be mad because they want beyonce to not have dessert like that's just i don't think case Casey's reaction was malicious. I think if we're reading into anything, it's just like a sadness for yourself for losing.
That's okay. I feel like these award shows, you're just conditioned to like be happy for the person who won and like really just be happy to be nominated.
Like it's okay to want big things for yourself. Yeah, yeah.
And I actually think she's 100% crying. And yeah, I think that What I've learned And I'm not like a Billie stan Is that like Her album Was like a real top contender Yeah but then Wouldn't Short and Sweet Have been the runner up Because it won best pop vocal And Short and Sweet Beat Billie Eilish For pop vocal album No it's a good point So is there any way Billie Eilish could have won album of the year without winning best pop vocal yes I think that it has probably happened before okay but that's just like I just want to say it doesn't make sense to me I'm in complete agreement with you sister okay thank you unless it's about the vocals you know like maybe they're saying that Billie's album could have been better but you know maybe they say like yes Sabrina's was more poppy but it was a better pop album but overall Billie's was a better album like you could make the argument for sure and the people the grab is just bake stuff up i totally agree look at us we're making stuff up like it's true i wouldn't i wouldn't think too hard about it are you ready for our next story hoda cotby is teasing her next project after leaving the today show and joanna gains is involved obsessed so hoda and jenna posted a collab post a photo of them hugging a carousel and it shows them hoda and jenna i'm sorry old habits die hard hoda and joanna hoda and joanna uh and they're in a studio and there's someone filming them it's a carousel of photos and hoda said remember i was talking about repotting gotta take first steps we have something fun cooking come along on the great adventure stay cooking

love joanna gains cooking cooking i don't know what they're doing together but they're working

on something okay let me see i'm looking at their photos they're like working in this empty

conference room with a laptop and a folding table and they're being filmed I have no fucking idea I feel like maybe it's an episode of Joanna's show and she's redesigning Hoda's working space for the next chapter of Hoda oh that's obviously what it is good call because like it looks like an office it's like this empty ugly office space yeah with like dropped tile ceilings so I guess then the next question is like what is Hoda doing in this office space? And she also talked about repotting which I feel like is. Garden.
No I feel like it's like a metaphor of like blooming in a new plant. Yes I agree.
I agree. Oh I thought it was like a Easter egg.
She has a gardening company. Which also reminds me of moral of the story from yesterday's redheads but of course i don't want to spoil it thank you yeah yeah so what kind of company could hoda be starting i mean she could do anything but she's like a woman in media i feel like maybe like a little podcast of her own with like a little small media kind of like how katie couric has like katie couric media she like makes instagram reels by the way do you see Don Lemon at the Grammys no I like saw about are you familiar with what Don Lamont is up to he has he's like a he's like a internet creator yes he's like a tiktoker where he had like a really popular on the street man like man on the street style series where he would like go up and ask people about random stuff some political some cultural like and people really liked it and it was like a an introduction to a generation like that didn't know him they didn't know this was like a guy who had a whole career at cnn they just thought it was like some guy on the street not like this journalist and so he's like taking that to the grammys now he was on the grammys like running after people chasing them down like gracie abrams with his little microphone being like gracie gracie what do you think about and it was like why are you working so hard you know didn't he get like a big package yeah right no not only that like you are an accomplished journalist from like a big network like CNN you were there for so many years and now you're just like slumming it on TikTok with the rest of us yeah that's crazy I found it really crazy and I forgot that he was doing that and then I saw a couple of his Grammys videos go viral.
I'm like, oh, he got himself a press pass for the Grammys. And he stood at the front of the carpet.
It was just like actually hounding people. He's like a paparazzi now.
Yeah. It was really crazy to see.
That is surprising. But no, I didn't see any of that content.
I just like, I guess I would have scrolled past it anyway. Yeah, it took me a second to realize it was Don Lemon.
Yeah, don't go to him for my pop culture news. No, no, and I don't, and that's the thing, he's still doing politics so I don't know why he was at the Grammys.
Like, I think he's having a crisis of identity. It happens.
I mean, we've all been there. It looks like he needs some repotting.
Maybe he could go to Hoda's new company for the vase. For the planter.
Yeah, so I could see her doing a lot of things. If it's just like a media thing, or maybe she wants to do something totally different, like a lifestyle, Martha Stewart vibe.
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
But I like this as a first step. Love Joe.
Yeah, I feel like Joe's always being spotted with celebrities doing projects with him, and then we never get the roundabout. What happened with her and J-Lo? Even though I think that wasn't film, that was just like a personal project that she wanted Joanna Gaines working on.
Do you remember when they were like looking for houses in Malibu together? Yeah. Like that wasn't for a TV show or anything.
I just think J-Lo was using her for design. Oh, wow.
Do you remember? Because we never saw it. Like what was the windup? Yeah.
Huh. I forgot about that.
I didn't about that interesting oh elephants never forgotten are you ready for our next story brody jenner yeah brody jenner is saying i don't get to go on my sister kylie's private jet so brody jenner is um revealing you know some of the facts of his life in an interview with Bustle and how he does not benefit from his half siblings fortune and his dad's marriage um he said Kendall and Kylie are my sisters we have the same last name but we don't share a bank account he said I don't get to go on the pink jet though love to. So he's currently on Fox Special Forces, and he made it clear that him and his brother are related to the billionaire family through their dad, Caitlyn.
And Brody rejects the assumption that he's just a trust fundkin who doesn't have to work. He said, it's funny that people think that because first off, my dad never gave any child support.
It wasn't like we were getting any money from the Kardashians ever. According to the outlet, Caitlyn's representative claimed Brody's mother, Linda Thompson, turned down the possibility of child support and alimony during her divorce from Caitlyn, formerly Bruce Jenner.
Instead, she accepted an upfront payment to reflect a hundred percent of their marital assets, which was millions of dollars. So like, not interesting.
Interesting. That's funny.
I don't think of Brody Jenner as like a Nepo sibling or like this Hollywood I think of some him as somebody who who does have to work for a living as a reality star I know he does like a lot of brand deals he has a liquor company I don't think of him like that that must be like a stereotype that plagues him and I want him to know like I don't feel like people think that about him yeah but I feel like if he didn't do all this stuff we might have like thought that about him like when he came on the hills like you might have thought like oh just an epo baby trust fund like really i feel like when you saw his house you were like oh this is the house of a person who works for a living like it wasn't crazy i don't remember his house but also it doesn't help his house with caitlin oh oh oh my god caitlin yeah it was just like. Yeah, I remember that house.
Yeah, so it wasn't that of someone who had unlimited funds from like family. That was Hill's new beginning.
I'm talking about like Hill's back in the day when he came on as like Brody Jenner and all the girls were fighting over him and he just came off of Princess of Malibu. And by the way, when you're on a show like that, you're not helping your case.
No, but by the way, at the time, yeah, he was the son of someone very wealthy. You just said his mother got millions of dollars like yeah so yeah you were a wealthy kid yeah I don't think he like sees it so much like that but um I can understand why people might have that idea of him yeah and it why can't he go on his sister's plane though like Like aren't they friends? Special Forces is always making news.

I know.

It's kind of fabulous.

I mean that's like the same with traitors always making news.

By the way, did I tell you that like I got an initial like reach out for Special Forces?

You did.

Maybe there was a time in my life when I would have done it.

Obviously not pregnant and I'm not going to like go to the middle of Australia and jump out of a helicopter when I God willing have a kid.

If they reached out to me last year, maybe I would have done it. It's in Australia.
I don't know. They always are taking them like somewhere fucking crazy.
And I saw Jojo Siwa jumping out of a helicopter into a lake. Like you could not, the thing is, it wouldn't even be good for the network or for me.
I would be the first one to go home. I wouldn't even do the first challenge.
Like I'm out. No.
It's nice to be asked though that like you're special forces caliber. To be considered.
And yeah, I didn't realize that it's so intense. Like the training stuff seems fine.
Like the physicality. By the way, I didn't even take the first meeting.
I'm sure I wouldn't have even made it past like the first. Yeah.
I would never have been cast. Yeah.
But still, it's an honor to be nominated. No, I was like me on a TV show? No, thanks.
So that's sad that he's not, like, close enough with his half-sisters to, like, go on the plane. Yeah, because I feel like they have a good relationship.
I feel like if it was Kendall's plane, like, maybe he would have a better chance of getting on it. Do you feel that? Yes, because Kylie's just, like, with her friends and...
Or I feel like, does Brody have kids? He just had a baby, yeah. I feel like if he had he had a kid who was like a similar age to one of kylie's kids like maybe it would have boded well for them but no but i can't see a world in which they would take a trip together no there's like a two-year difference probably between his baby and kylie's youngest and what do you think like the jenner girls make of the jenner boys like it's their dads i'm sure when they were growing up it was like oh dad's like other weird family but now like they're all dads.
I'm sure when they were growing up, it was like, oh, dad's like other weird family. But now like they're all grown.
No, I feel like when they were growing up, it's like dad, like dad's cool. Like they were like so cool and handsome.
They were like, they were just like the cool older guys. Maybe they'll always see them that way.
Maybe. Cause Brody was super cool.
All I think of is half chub. Of course.
But that's what Kim would think of Brody. But think of like what Kendall and Kylie thought of their older half brother.
And I guess Kim and Brody, like Kim and those and the girls, Courtney, Chloe, Rob, and the Jenner boys have no relation. Like no blood relation.
They're stepdad. Right.
No blood relation. But they were so close.
They were step siblings. When Caitlin and Chris were married.
They were step siblings. Yeah.
And then Kylie and Kendall are half siblings. But they really, like in the early days of the show, so much has happened so we really forget.
But like before Caitlin transitioned and Chris and Caitlin were still married, like they rode so hard for Caitlin. Like that's our dad.
That's our dad. That's our dad.
That's what makes the whole thing, like, even sadder. Caitlin walked Kim down the aisle at her wedding to Kanye.
To Kanye? Yeah. I don't know if I knew that.
I'm pretty sure. I mean, that would make sense.
Like, that's really sad. Yeah, it is really sad.
And now that I'm re-watching Beverly Hills, when and i i when bruce was their stepfather he was giving major orson hodge energy do you agree yeah because he was like this buttoned up like freak who was like always like had he would like die on random hills you know yeah it's so orson that's so funny i just got to the episode last night where, spoiler alert, they find out Lynette has cancer. And it's like, as if this woman didn't have enough to deal with.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
I forgot about those times. And the way that they found out that she had cancer was like they were fighting really bad, her and Tom, because she fell in love with the pizza manager at the place.
Remember? She was flirting with him. She didn't fall like fall in love.
But like she was like having fun because Tom is like a big loser. And this guy made her feel like pretty and cool.
She wasn't going to do anything. She just like liked being thought of as sexy and whatever.
And they had a really big fight about it. And he threw her off the bed and she hit her head.
And so she went to the hospital and they found the cancer. Like it was actually such a crazy turn of events.
Oh my gosh. The so good oh my gosh i dream of desperate housewives now like my dreams are the characters oh that's nice it is a party place to dream fairview with saria lane people are always like claudia you can move to the suburbs like what if if wisteria lane existed fairview like i would be there in a second it's gorgeous every, but it's also on the East Coast.
It's a fake place. It's not meant to represent any particular city or state, but they do make it pretty clear because they're in close proximity to New York City that it's on the East Coast, but it never rains.
It's never cold. No one's ever wearing a jacket.
Yeah. I wonder where that could possibly be.
So I actually read like a fan fiction about based on all the clues where they think. And it's somewhere in Pennsylvania.
Yeah. Because also it's called the Eagle State on their license plates in Fairview.
And like that would be Pennsylvania. Yeah.
There are a couple of clues. But it's still it's really meant to be a completely mythical place.
Yeah. Where I would love to live one day.
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Our next story, Denise Richards teases her and Charlie Sheen's daughters about having fucked up parents in the first trailer for her new Bravo series so I was shocked I think we reported a while ago she was getting her own Bravo show but you know that's like a book getting this felt so unfamiliar to me no I it felt familiar in the sense that I feel like we were like oh go Denise like you leave the housewives and get your own show that's what everyone thinks it's gonna happen when they go on housewives and it never does um but then like to actually get to the point of filming and trailer and green light like we're on so the first trailer for denise richards and her wild things dropped yesterday and she is letting cameras into every aspect of her life with her three daughters and her husband aaron as her kids get older and her career continues to evolve she's showing the ups and downs that come along with being a woman who does it all she says I'm just trying to balance everything I'm an actress wife the Hollywood thing she is then shown with a bunch of different former Beverly Hills castmates Camille Grammer Garcelle Kathy Hilton Sutton then Erica Girardi appears they have long-standing beef we shall what happens. This is really interesting because I feel like Denise was given such a raw deal on Housewives.
All the women were so threatened and jealous. They just wanted her out.
And they made it so uncomfortable for her that she left. And I feel like we really didn't get to see her potential.
And even what we saw, I really enjoyed. I thought she was a great reality star in a great house wave and there was much left unsaid having said that I don't know if I'm totally interested in watching a show just about her and her girls who are like yeah you know young they're always making news they're always making news one is 13 one is 20 and one is 19 so it'll probably be a lot about like them and their antics and then also like her mothering and then with a bit of hollywood i'm not like dying to watch it but i could see it maybe doing well and being good i also feel like it's kind of a new format for bravo they don't often do just like solo family shows don't be tardy famously yeah but she.
But she was like a real, real housewife. Like Denise is a celebrity.
So this is them giving like, yes, she has like a tie to the housewives, but she's really just like a famous person getting her own show. And I feel like they don't do this a lot.
No, but it is a good format that has worked really well for- For other networks. Kardashians, you know.
Yeah, Living Lohan. A lot of people have tried it and it didn't have that same success so i could see this being like that but don't be tardy is actually a really good example of this being able to work don't be tardy is one of the best shows on television i didn't mean to get into this and we don't have to like do obviously a whole dissertation but just important reminder that like those women like they did that yeah and obviously they've fallen they've fallen, you know, Kim's just going through a lot.
I mean, I can't even keep up with what's happening in her world. And it's not as glamorous as it once was, but I love that we have those like eight seasons and they were really successful eight seasons.
Like I love that we have that kind of in stone memorialized in the form of a TV show. and we'll always have that and now we have they

can't take that away from they can't take that away from us and now we have denise richards and her wild things so the show premieres on march 4th on bravo if that sounds interesting to you it doesn't actually if i'm being like now that i've really fully thought it through and i and i loved denise on the housewives like i can't stress that enough this does not sound interesting to me. Okay.
Our fifth and final story. My girl Sabrina announces her short and sweet deluxe album featuring a Dolly Parton collab.
So Sabrina shared with her fans yesterday that she is extending her short and sweet era. And she's bringing one of her biggest heroes along for the ride.
Yesterday she announced that she's dropping a deluxe edition of her album featuring none other than Dolly Parton on a remix of Please, Please, Please. So some of the new tracks that she's adding for the deluxe album are like totally new songs that we hadn't heard yet.
We need more short and sweet. Like it was a little too short and sweet.
Agreed. Bonus tracks called 15 Minutes, Couldn't Make It Any Harder, Busy Woman, and Bad Reviews.
And then also- Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, Please, Please, Please featuring Dolly Parton.
I do feel like some of these songs aren't just songs that were left on the cutting room floor of Short and Sweet. I feel like they were written after the album came out.
Like I remember, I feel like she got bad reviews for, maybe it was when Please, Please, Please dropped as the second single. People were like, this is no espresso.
Like, I feel like it feel like it might be i just feel like whatever we think the songs are going to be about like the titles are always they're not what you think she's like very good with the words she just flips it on its head and has nothing to do with like you know music reviews but it has more to do with like i don't know you know she really is very smart like that in bed or something yeah by the way yes do you think 15 minutes is about 15 minutes of fame i do but but maybe i'm wrong like she's always flipping words on their head she's very funny 15 minutes exactly um i love that we're getting new music i also like the point of what you had said is that maybe it's music that reflects the last year of her life barry keoghan coded. But what I actually loved about Short and Sweet and what she had said was she finished the album Short and Sweet before Espresso even came out.
So none of the album was trying to cater to the success of Espresso. She didn't write the songs to be like, this could be like Espresso sequel.
The next Espresso. Like it was done and dusted and in the can in like a moment in time and it didn't have anything to do with the public reaction success i think was why it was so great she just got to do her thing and not worry about how it would be received so if these songs are from like the post launch era they might be a little more catered to what she thinks people want which is never like a great place to be but i trust in sabrina that's I'll say.
I love also Dolly throwing her hat in the ring. And on Please, Please, Please.
So it'll be like a song you can enjoy for the second time. You know, speaking of deluxe.
I only am just now realizing with Tortured Poets being submitted at the Grammys. As an album.
It was. You know how she releases like four different versions of the album.
And the first one had like 10 versions. And then the deluxe one had 20.
The one, the version that she submitted for the Grammys was the short one. The first one.
It's not weird. It was short.
The first one, the first version that came out is like half the album. I'm going to look.
Oh, but I'm sorry. Please ignore me.
I think I'm getting confused with midnights where she did like two separate albums. Like two AM version, two AM.
Yeah. Cause I don't even know.
So here's tortured poets, the anthology. It's not the't even know so here's tortured poets the anthology it's not the anthology and here's tortured poets department the anthology again maybe that's like clean versus not clean i'm only seeing like one i think there's just really one turtle and it was really long the whole time no but the anthology is the is the second volume.
The second half, hold on. The Tortured Poets Department, not the anthology.
Okay, here's regular. So many.
Yeah. It goes all the way down to Claraboe.
Oh, I guess it is much shorter. No, you're right.
Like no Peter, no Paul. No Black Dog, no high school.
Yeah. Albatross, Chloe or Sam, Cassandra, Bolter, Robin, Manuscript, People's Windows, Amy.
Yeah, okay, so the Torture Poets Department had 16 songs. Then the anthology that she released after had 31.
Yeah, I didn't even know that. Okay, I was right.
I did. So I guess this whole time, I've never really gotten into the anthology, I could say.
Oh my God. It's the better part.
I thought I was saying like the second half. Now I realize like I just never, I never really got past the first half.
Just like. You have work to do.
I know. It's always waiting for me.
But I just, I always start the album after Fortnite. Of course, I started on Tortured Poets.
Of course. And then I'm like satiated by the time I get to.
16. 16.
Was that the fifth story? That was the fifth story. New Sabrina music.
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Hello, Swirlies. I'm having a dilemma about my friend.
I, 23, have known my best friend, also 23, for about a decade now. Over the course of our friendship, she's dropped little hints that she has suspicions that her and her sister do not share the same father.
She has given me many examples as to why she believes this. They all seem strong in her, and I back up her theory.
I have since found out via my family, who has apparently known about this for a while, that it is in fact true. They just never told me because I never brought it up to them.
Her family has been quick in shutting down the theories and the questions that she's asked, and they clearly want her not to know for whatever reason. But now I know.
Do I tell her? Is it none of my business? I don't want to involve myself in someone's family drama, but I feel bad knowing this while she is left in the dark. help that's really tough that is really tough I feel like she would be able to find this out for herself you know like a why don't you just help her find out like find out a piece of information from your family and then like lead her to the trail yeah yeah I agree but then if she ever found out that you knew and you didn't tell her well you could always be like I like, I didn't want to be the, like if your own parents won't tell you, like why is it on her to tell her? But I wanted to help you, if it is true, see the light.
I don't know. I think.
Sound kind of sounds like a plot on Desperate Housewives. Yeah.
I think help her find out, but then you're just being so disingenuous. Honestly, you honestly just tell her.
Yeah. It's also like a lot of work.
Help her find out. Yeah, no.
And it's like, what do you owe her parents loyalty for? Like that's your friend 10 years. Like tell her.
Yeah. And just be like, this is what I heard.
This is what I know, you know, could not be entirely true. You should go and confirm.
Oh, and by the way, don't give up your sources. Cause then you're gonna get your family in trouble.
That in trouble that's when it becomes a mess like all the people in the town and the friends and the neighbors know but their own daughters they can't know about themselves everyone's complicit everyone's like talking about you knows more about you than you know about yourself terrible feeling just tell her just tell her but just be careful how you tell her in terms of like getting other people like involved and like liable liable yeah but i think you could tell her yeah it sounds like she already knows normally i agree like let's not blow you know the house burn the house down but like sometimes you know what give me the machos no but it's like she already really knows if she had no idea never spoke about this but you just found out that her and her sibling have different. That's true.
Then I wouldn't upend her whole life. But she pretty much knows.
She's just looking for confirmation. So just give it to her.
And so you are the confirmation. Yeah.
Okay. I just found out about my husband's porn and cross-dressing addiction six months ago, right after we got married.
I knew about the porn addiction. He had always told me that he hadn't been seeking that out every time I ever asked, and he's been lying.
He has managed to hide the cross-dressing from me for our entire six-year relationship. He agreed to go to therapy and work through the addiction, but a few days ago, I had this weird gut feeling, and I went through his phone to find out that he had been sending himself sexy videos of other women on Instagram.
Not technically porn, which he pointed out to me. He's promised to take therapy seriously, this go around,

but I'm really just finding it hard to trust him.

I come from a very conservative family.

I don't want my initial resolution to be divorce.

Now I'm not so sure.

Does he deserve another chance?

What should I do?

I just feel like the cross-dressing is very interesting to me.

I didn't know you could have like a cross-dressing addiction.

I feel like cross-dressing is like the beginning step of discovering something about your gender or your sexuality. Or maybe that's my limited knowledge from Caitlyn Jenner's documentary.
On Diane Sawyer, yeah, of course. Which was amazing.
And the girls had said there were a couple of times in their childhood that they walked into the garage and Caitlyn was cross-dressing before she transitioned. So I feel like it's admirable that you wanted to work it through the first time.
And a porn addiction, I think actually a lot of people's husbands suffer from porn addiction. In this day and age, it's like really kind of common because it's so accessible.
And people work through it and get to the other side. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
And it's something you can like heal from and rehabilitate if you are looking to do that that so I actually don't think that that's like a total deal breaker if he really is committed to getting help but the cross-dressing and the hiding things from you and like seeking out different porn on social media like this is concerning behavior yeah but maybe the cross-dressing hiding social media

like has to do with a larger porn addiction.

And so I would first tackle that and then see,

because they're definitely like, you should look into.

How does cross-dressing have anything to do with porn?

I don't know.

Like, I think, I don't know.

And cross-dressing is just like when you dress up like a woman right or vice versa yeah wearing clothes of the opposite sex yeah okay so I would start with the porn addiction really I wouldn't the porn addiction is so not concerning to me like obviously it's not great um but it's really something you can work through and I think it's something really common in this day and age and I think having an addiction to cross-dressing

is indicative of like a larger life change

that this person might need to be going through.

But maybe not.

I mean, you're just talking about Caitlyn Jenner

because we have that one touch point.

Yes, and that's my only frame of reference

completely honestly.

So of course that comes to mind, same.

But I do think some people like

might just cross-dress and it ends there.

I don't know, but I think so.

Otherwise, like cross-dressing wouldn't just be a singular thing it would be like right so I don't know but I think you have to have a lot of conversation like honest conversations with him like just asking him to be honest about how he's feeling maybe it's couples counseling where like a counselor can kind of draw that out of him so you can understand like how he's feeling and what he's looking for. Yeah.
And, you know, maybe he likes to do drag. I actually have on Drag Race.
There was a straight contestant once. So? Once.
And by the way, let me tell you, nobody, none of the other contestants could get over it. Like they seriously, they couldn't stop talking about it.
I think I would say couples counseling for this. Yeah.
I also just feel like the issue is, is that this person isn't honest and probably not even honest with themselves. Yeah.
So it's going to take a long time to get to resolution if there is going to get. And it's like, seriously, you need to think, is this worth your time? But she doesn't want to get divorced.
Like she wants to make it work. So like, I think you have to take steps towards making it work while also, and I think he needs to be rehabilitated for his porn addiction.
Okay. But like what if this young sprightly woman like spends years in therapy with this guy just to end that like he wants to transition to being a woman.
And that's not something she's like wants to stick around for. And it's like how much time are you going to – because this person is like also a liar.
Like that's the hard part about these things. It's like the fact that this person who's your husband is keeping so many things from you and like, you know, let you go through the wedding without sharing this huge part of himself.
Like that to me is the bigger betrayal. I don't give a shit that you're dressing up as a woman.
Like it's you're lying to me. Yeah.
So like, I don't know. I could see him being really stubborn in therapy and he's done it before and not taking it seriously.
So what? You're going to go to couple therapy, spend all this time. And for what? For maybe potentially no resolution.
So you're saying cut and run. They don't have kids, but they are married.
I'm not saying cut and run. I'm just saying I need you to look inward because are you just doing this because you come from a conservative Christian family and you don't want to get divorced or because you really love this person and you don't want to get divorced? Also, yeah.
Also ask, like, do you like your relationship and you want to keep it enough but they're married but they don't have kids correct she and she didn't mention any kids and like if she wants and they got married six months ago so if she's super conservative maybe she could be six months pregnant but no i don't think they have any kids if she wants to have kids and yeah it just depends like what what your priorities are here is it it making the marriage work? Is it making the marriage work because you love the marriage? Right. Or making the marriage work so as not to disappoint your family? Yeah.
Third and final. Hey, Jackson Turdy.
Need your advice. This is so crazy, okay? My C-section for my second child is scheduled for the end of March.
It happens to be the same day as my sister-in-law's birthday, who's in her late 30s. I recently received a very bizarre text message from her going over some of the potential challenges of sharing a birthday.
When I read this, I was so confused and then in shock. Is she really getting bent out of shape over having to share her birthday with a future niece? Quick backstory is that I had a very traumatic delivery with my first child.
My son and I are very lucky to be here. That being said, I have a lot of nerves and anxiety around this delivery.
I did not have much say in the matter of scheduling the C-section. I went based on the recommendations of my doctor and that's it.
Yeah. Do I ignore her text? Do I let it go? Do I respond back to her? I'm afraid I'm going to snap because I have zero patience for this selfish and silly text.
It's the last thing I'm worrying about right now, but is it worth causing potential family drama? I would write back, grow up. That's it.
Like, there is seriously a special place in a mental ward for, like, older people who are crazy about their birthdays. Like, birth week.
Oh, you have until your 21st birthday. I'll be generous.
21st act like that yeah I was gonna say 16 but even someone who's turning 21 like wouldn't mind sharing a birthday with their niece and it sounds like she's so crazy there's no way you guys are that close that like this day is gonna be a conflict for anyone and if it were to be a conflict like what a simcha what a joy so many birthdays so many kids like I would just write back grow up if it escalates take all your pregnancy rage out on her like you have a we were just doing naggy bitch wife when you're pregnant you have carte blanche to do whatever the fuck you want even when you're wrong but here you're right this I would just I would go at it for sport I agree this is such and I just want to validate you completely this is the craziest thing to say to someone. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard, especially.
And I appreciated your backstory, your context. The backstory makes it even crazier, but even if this was none of those things and low risk and whatnot.
And your doctor's scheduled. Imagine if I said, hey, Dr.
Fox, can you actually induce me on November 7th? November 6th is Jackie's birthday. He would be like, okay, freak.

Like, it's humiliating.

Grow up is the perfect response.

That's all I would say.

Grow up.

Don't even put a period because that like shows that you're mad, you know?

Agreed.

This is such crazy behavior.

And I would love an update.

Also, I did check this morning.

We have not received an update from the girl whose husband was taking naked photos of her

and those other two wives.

I did check.

I'm sure she's still working through it. I'm sure it's been a really difficult time for her and she will reach out when the time is right and hopefully in better times of course oh my god that just gave me a pit again i had forgotten like momentarily i i remember every tuesday or wednesday yeah no same's our show, you guys.
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