BONUS POD: Jerry’s Yankees fall to Matt’s Dodgers in the World Series

all right everybody welcome to throwbacks a little different episode than we normally do this is a reaction episode to the yankees dodgers world series results we weren't able to get it into our podcast that just dropped earlier today because we taped it yesterday. As always, I'm with my guy, Matt Leiner.
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Matt, let's get down to business because I feel like if I'm going to talk trash in victory, I need to accept the hard conversations in defeat. I know you had a great night last night, but tell the audience, where did you watch game five? Gary, I'm a little tired.
I'm not going to lie, man. It's been a crazy 24 hours.
I flew to New York to see compliments of our bosses at Sinclair. I got a chance to go to game five of the World Series Dodgers-Yankees in New York.
I'd never been to Yankee Stadium. Been to some Dodger playoff games, World Series games in the past, but this was one I had.
I'm currently in State College, Pennsylvania. We have the big game this weekend, so it's been a little bit of a roller coaster.
I'm in my hotel room, but I was able to see game five last night i was on the field and the pre how about this i was on the field pre-game saying saying hi to some fox people i just you know shot the with ken griffey jr for about 10 minutes on the side over there we were just hanging i actually thought of you because i was about to i was about to mention the video game that we talked about absolutely saw some of my boys over there um saw the saw the the Fox pregame crew Poppy Jeter A-Rod and those guys Burkhart and then I sat in my seat and I got to witness a bizarre I think I know we're gonna dive in bizarre at points for the Yankees but I got to witness my team win a World Series in New York, man, against the pinstripes. It was epic, dude.
It was a great game. Again, I'm still on cloud nine.
I was just telling you before this, I'm a lifelong Dodger fan, my brother and my dad, because my dad grew up in Englewood in the 50 know, in Englewood in the fifties. And it's when they came over from Brooklyn and it's just born into it.
Just a lot like you, you know, you're born in the, you root for your team. And I got to FaceTime him.
I was like, right when it happened, I video at FaceTime, I pop and he's like shedding a tear. I'm shedding the tear.
I'm going, let's go. No one that the stadium, as you can imagine, you can hear a pin drop in that place.
Yankees fans are cussing at every player on that team. I'm like, I'm trying to keep it cool, you know, and not be disrespectful.
But I'm like, yeah, Pop. You know, we've had three World Series championships since I've been born.
I thought about this. 88, 20, and this one.
And 88, I do remember. It was the Gibby home run.
Sure. And it was one of those vivid memories as a five-year-old i remember nothing about the rest of the series and then in 2020 with covid which was just different obviously and this one and this one for me uh special because my family and stuff like that so my my pops is getting older he's he feels good but just we got to got to get another dodgers, man.
So I'm fired up, dude. I can only imagine how you're feeling, dude.
I know. I know the Yankees.
It was pretty a lopsided series. Obviously, they hurt themselves last night, but I'm happy, man.
Well, that is cool. Baseball still has that, does.
Everyone gives their opinions on baseball.

The season's too long.

The games are too long, which they fixed that.

It's too localized, but it still has the father, kid, even mother.

It still has that magic.

So I am happy for you for that.

And honestly, I'm not angry as a Yankee fan today.

I'm just sad.

I'm just sad because- By the way, you would have been angry last night. Definitely.
They all mind. Yeah, what was it like when the fifth inning was going on? And have you ever been the road fan in a baseball playoff game? It's like, it's torture being the road fan.
So I was sitting around a bunch. It was great.
The people around us were great we were you know they knew i was a dodger fan it was all good honestly the the first game and by the way i had no problem with the dodgers losing last night and and going back to game six in la and winning to be there i was selfishly like i want to see him celebrate but you know what the series goes longer we all want that it'd be great let's go winning in la right so the first inning they're just hitting bombs and i'm like oh shit like it's five oh the yankee jumped on them they're going they're going nuts and then all of a sudden man that's fifth inning and i i actually had it because in real time or watching it and you're just like what is? Like, what just happened? And then you start to go play by play, right? Like, obviously, Judge dropping the fly ball. That's freakish.
That's like a flash knockdown in boxing. Like, how does that even happen? It doesn't.
999 times out of 1,000, it's routine. He probably never drops that ever again like and that sparked just a wild turn of events and and you could you could feel like i i think i tweeted this out like you could hear a pin drop it was dead in the end by the way the dodger fans were there they had a whole section they were going nuts i was i was clapping you know like this but being respectful you're.
Dude, I was respectful. I was respectful.
But it was like, and then, dude, Garrett Cole pitches ass off. Like this dude just pitches ass off and these airs, and you could feel it.
You can almost be like, and I would ask you, you know, as a Yankee fan, you're almost just like, of course, this is what's going to happen to us. Well, yes and no, because I'll tell you, from the Yankee point of view, and maybe you could say this up until 2004, but even 2009, that's usually what happens to the other team.
Usually you're in Yankee, or at least definitely with the old Yankee stadium. Jeter always talks about, well, the ghosts will come out eventually and help us.
It used to happen pretty regularly, and it just felt different because this is what usually happens to the other team. I want to ask you this, though.
As a professional athlete and a lifetime athlete, do you start to feel that? Meaning, what the fuck has happened? If you throw a wide open pass, it just goes through his hands, or you fumble a snap that you've done 4,000 times, you just start feeling like, man, this is going against us. The forces are against us.
Yeah, that is real, and that's just something you can't even explain. It's just a feeling.
It's like momentum in sports. Some people are like, I don't believe in momentum.
I do. It's like, why do we we took this whole conversation about analytics and when and where you should go for well i'm not like you have to feel the momentum of a game you have to feel the energy of the stadium like that that exists in sports yeah you can't tell me different it just does and um now do you think that's gonna happen no but that judge thing and then after the judge it was like okayerie.
It was eerie a little bit. It was eerie, but like, okay.
Then I think, I don't know who did that. Then the Volpe play.
Well, no. And then you strike out, I think Lux.
And then you strike out Otani. It's two outs.
You're out of it. And then it was the Volpe play, which that was like, then that's when.
Which he makes 10 out of 10 times. He's going hard to his right.
Two third base. It wasn't like he's throwing across his body.
Now, not the easiest play. But for Volpe, that's an easy play.
That play was when, because I think the daughters got one, or that play was when the people around me were like, oh shit. What's going on? Like, this is not good.
Like, you could feel it. And I'm still thinking like, dude, it's still, it's still, you still got Garrett Cole.
It's five. I think it's five, nothing, five.
That was still five. Oh, okay.
And then the Mookie play. And I don't, I mean, look, I, I'm trying to look, I know, I think I heard what Cole said.
I've looked at it 50 times. My take is this.
I was a pitcher always. A hundred times, you're always running that way regardless.
And then it's Rizzo's job to kind of hold him off and take it if he can get there. I don't.
It was just bizarre. And that was it, dude.
And that was when that stadium went silent. Because now you got Freddie Freeman up, who is just on one, two-run double.
And then T. Oscar almost goes yard.
And then all of a sudden, it's like... And then you know you're in a lot of trouble.
But the Yankees still found a way to get the lead back. So, okay.
I... And forgive me.
I mean, you watched, I'm assuming. Yankee fans are going to think I'm nuts and I am nuts and you know, I'm nuts.
So I, and I had this plan for a while. I had tickets, uh, it's like the owner suite for Cavs, Lakers, LeBron coming to Cleveland.
Right. I had that circle on the calendar a month and a half ago.
I didn't know that the Yankees are going to be in game five. And it was like date night with my wife and she loves going to games.
So we went. The game starts at seven.
I did the math. I'll be home by 940, probably like the third or fourth inning.
And I have my phone. And then in the suite, it's like the mayor of Cleveland's in there.
I sat next to Miles Garrett in the suite, which was amazing. Got to hang with him.
And I put the game on in my phone as the Cavs are crushing the Lakers. Put the game on my phone, I saw the judge home run.
I saw the chip, and I'm like, all right, we got this one. It's over.
And what happened on the ride home, Bree drove home so I could watch on my phone, and that's when it all started. And I knew right then and there, the Yankees were such a momentum team, like you said.
I really think the extended bullpen stuff in game four, and basically game being over, but it was over early. The Yankees got free at-bats, basically batting practice in game four from the fifth inning.
You saw it. You saw a judge start getting his rhythm, take better pitches.
Volpe got hot. You saw it.
So I went into game five knowing, okay, we got it now. There's's a chance you get back to LA.
And I wasn't excited about seeing Yamamoto in game six, but I liked where we were and they held up. But man, when Judge dropped that ball, it got eerie.
The Volpe thing was even weirder because he's just a stud defensively. The Cole thing with Rizzo, and I've heard everything he said, and I've watched it a thousand times at this point, and this is why the Dodgers get a lot of credit.
Both Cole and Rizzo could have, if they just reacted fast, could have beat Mookie to the back, but Mookie was running so hard. So I think Cole thought Rizzo had it.
I think Rizzo thought Cole was coming. They looked up and Betts is flying down the first baseline.
And I think just everyone just shut down. And that is why the Dodgers won this series for pressure and constant.
Even with the Volpe play, the Volpe play was a little harder because Kiki was running a thousand miles an hour to third base. It made it not routine.
And the pressure the Dodgers put on all the weak spots of the Yankees, ultimately, in the end, I think this was the outcome, even if it got to game six. Well, that's what I, you know, to be honest, to be fair, pretty much everybody has said the Dodgers, I mean, you can't, the Dodgers are the best, the Dodgers were the better team in the series, plain and simple.
You don't win four out of five and say they weren't. Well, Tani didn't even play well.
Tani wasn't even a factor. Two hits, I think, or something.
But when you have opportunity, you capitalize. And they're grinders.
One through nine is a grinder. Tommy Edmonds, a beast down at the low.
And also, Volpe got hot but Wells Verdue like like there were a

bottom of the lineup was not there Rizzo like like you just you didn't fear a lot of those guys when you go through the Dodgers lineup Kiki Hernandez is a postseason killer and he's batting seven for like like you just there were easy matchups and Garrett Cole we started hitting him a little bit harder there in those last couple innings but but he was grinding. I think the Dodgers, this is what they did all year.
They make it so hard one through nine. The at-bats, they put a lot of pressure on you.
And look, the Yankees just folded. They folded in those moments and that's what happened.
And you saw it with the at-bats. You saw now once the momentum goes and it's 5-5, the Yankees got a little tighter, even though they managed to put up runs.
But of course, and this is what separates, to me as a baseball fan, not someone who played baseball at a high level, Dodgers get the bases loaded. They need two fly balls.
Give me some fly balls. They were able to just get the sacrifice flies, those little things, and the Yankees were never able to just move the runners along and get the fly ball deep into the outfield to score the run.
And the Dodgers did it almost every time. Dude, the eighth inning, I think it was the eighth inning, it was Soto, it was 2-3-4.
And I think, Judge, I don't remember what it is, but Stanton is up. And you guys were, and Stanton hits a, I think it's on Blake Trine, by the way.
Shout out to Blake Trine and gave us two and two thirds, like just beastly innings. And then Bueller coming off of two days rest to close.
Yeah. His stuff was electric.
Yeah. It was electric.
Yeah. It was electric.
But this is the thing. John Carlos Stanton, first pitch swing, I think it was first and second, no outs or whatever.
I don't know what it was, but you guys were going in eighth inning. And first pitch, just a fly ball.

And that's like, it just ruined the whole momentum of that.

It's like, yeah, that was tough.

Things like, again, first pitch, this guy's a professional hitter,

but like you got them on the ropes, like work the count a little bit,

work this, like, you know what I mean?

First pitch.

And it was just, but to your point, like,

they just couldn't do the small things to put those runners in those positions. And then credit Dodgers, pitchers battled at the end you know dude it was dicey there dude for a little bit yeah the dodgers are the better team they deserve to win there's no sour grapes here i do say there is a world where i do think probably eight out of ten times i think this was like the two out of ten time version like dodgers in five with some weird stuff you never see in game five.
I think like eight out of 10 times. I think this was like the two out of 10 time version, like Dodgers in five with some weird stuff you'd never see in game five.
I think like eight out of 10 times, this is a seven game series. Meaning I think normally eight out of 10 times the Yankees win game one.
I think Dodgers win two, three, maybe even four. I think it's, I think it's a six, seven game series every time, but it just look, that was, Hey.
Well, and now, of course, listen, I think the Dodgers are in great shape, obviously. Oh, we're going to get Juan Soto, too.
Come on, dude. What do you mean? Look, there's no way he's going to the Dodgers.
There's no way. By the way, showing Otani's deal is cheap the way he said it.
I get it. I get it.
He's making like 3 million bucks. I get it.
You don't think that Juan Soto wants to come to LA? He's looking for 10 years 600-700 million. 10 years 700 million.
No, it's the Dodgers. It doesn't matter.
He's not going back to the Yankees. He's either going to the Yankees or sadly enough.
And look, no one knows where he's going. So let's, everyone I see like polls on Twitter this morning.
Where do you think he's going? No one knows. I don't even think he might know.
He's going to LA, New York, or New York? I think it's New York or New York. I don't think there's any way you go join.
If you're Juan Soto, how do you go join the team that beat you? We've seen this in sports. I don't think he makes that mistake.
And by the way, there's more money in New York for him. You want to know how? There's more money in New York for him.
You want to know how? 700 M's how. That's why.
Do you think the Mets, the richest owner in baseball, is going to back they might offer him a billion if he could. I think they'd offer him a billion if he could.
He wants to win a World Series. He's not winning a World Series with the Mets.
And we just saw what happened to your Yankees. The Mets took the Dodgers to six.
Now put Juan Soto on that team team. Would you feel, what, you say Dodgers in seven? You don't think Soto swings a game in that series at all? No.
All right. Well, either way, the thing that worries me most going forward with the Yankees, even if they do, let's say they re-sign Soto, I think Torres is probably gone.
They might move Chisholm to second. Who knows, right? Team's going to change a little bit.
Chisholm had a great year. He showed up.
He came back strong, even though they were terrible through three games. But you get back into the playoffs, all you are going to hear, I don't know if it's the World Series and the playoffs, they are going to roll the highlights of the fifth inning for the entire playoffs.
Now, I don't know if a player, you could just block that out or if that's somewhere in the back of your mind, but there's now ghosts, I think, that are going to be talked about going the other way against the Yankees. Jerry, is that the greatest meltdown in the history of sport that you've ever seen? And by the way, not just regular season, in a World Series, Game 5.
It's really tough to not acknowledge the Mets-Red Sox, only because the Red Sox were up three games to two, Matt. They're closing out the World Series.
They're about to win. They're about to win the World Series.
The Yankees were hoping to push it to game six going back to LA.

It is a melt for a singular moment for an inning. It's the biggest meltdown inning because it was five unearned runs.
But as far as the biggest meltdown that you can't say the Yankees win the World Series if they hang on to win game five. But if Buckner gets that play, you might be able to say the Red Sox win the World Series in 86?

Well, I would say given this series and the stage and both teams. It was a huge meltdown.
Just everything that surrounded Dodgers-Yankees, which we all wanted, and Judge going to be the MVP who had the costly error, which just sucked. I don't know, man.
That was – What about – let me throw you Falcons-Patriots. If you're up 28-3 in the Super Bowl, how do you feel about your chances? Was it 28-3 or was it 28-10? 28-3 at halftime.
28-3 at halftime. You got to love your chances there.

That's a good one.

That's a pretty good one.

But I think in terms of like football, it's different because you could maybe say a drive was a meltdown.

Like, hey, you get down to the one and you fumble.

And with baseball, for the one inning, it's for sure the biggest meltdown for one inning.

But I still think there's a world where the Yankees hang on to win that game and Yamamoto

wipes them in game six.

They haven't touched him all year.

That's why I feel good about game six.

They haven't touched him all year. The Yankees after

Cole have nobody.

Fundamental plays, dude. That's what I'm saying.

Football is tough.

You need a lot to go. But a routine fly ball that our boys could have caught.
Like, if you think about it, like give our boys, I don't know, dude. I just, that's freaky, man.
That's freaky. Cause he took his eyes.
I think he checked the runner quick. The Indian before saves damn near a home run jumping into the, into the wall.
He made one of the greatest play. Like, Hey, i'm sick for him man because i just know in a moment as an athlete when you are who you are and you and you have that moment where now that's like people are probably people are going to forget about the mvp year and he's always going to be like oh he's great but man remember when he dropped that fly ball in the World Series? But again, that inning is what everyone will talk about.
That's going to live with him forever. But we can't forget Dodgers tie a 5-5.
But then the Yankees go back up. And then, I'm sorry, I really don't.
I like this guy all playoffs. Canely comes in and just didn't have it.
I mean, can we stop throwing 100 change-ups? I mean, let's just mix it up, dude, because we're going to sit on that shit. Both bullpens were for sure taxed, so who knows? And like Clay Holmes, for a moment there, didn't have it.
And then he had one of the biggest strikeout comebacks. I think coming back from like 3-0, striking someone out.
But then Canely comes in and essentially just put Weaver in an unmanageable situation coming out the guy just pitched the night before and now bases loaded no outs and you're you're facing the die and look he got two pop flies he did he got two pop flies the only other better version of that is striking out three in a row which i don't think any yankee other than mariano rivera in his prime would have had enough to maybe pull that off so listen it was uh it was awesome to be there I'm glad you were there it's good like it's good bucket list you got to see it I was a big fan of Yankee Stadium that place was I know the old one everyone loved but this one was cool I never saw the old one um baseball it's over it was great my team won it lived up to the hype and game one was a great game game five was a great game a couple games in there between weren't so great but uh yeah baby so we'll end with this because i don't know about you i of course i'll i'll lightly follow the soto free agency stuff i think he's coming back to the yankees but I know nothing. Just giving you my two cents.
I will not think about baseball till like June, until basketball's over. I will not, you will not hear me talk baseball the rest of the way.
Maybe unless Soto does something wild. But next time we talk baseball, we're going to get one of our daughters on the pod.
That's different. If we're going to have a player on, for sure, I want to talk to them.
In terms of the fan in me? Oh, yeah. Nah, it's a wrap.
The only consolation was, I stayed, this is not, you want to talk about psycho behavior. I stayed up till 2 a.m.
because after the Yankees lost, I immediately switched off and I wasn't able to watch the Knicks win over the Heat. So I watched the entire Knicks replay versus the Heat.
Carl Anthony Towns, 44-12. We're back, baby.
That's what New Yorkers do. We deflect to the next thing.
I have a whole thought on people who re-watch live sports recorded, but we can get them out. I legitimately couldn't watch it.
I was at a Cavs game and I was watching the World Series. I had no no chance of watching the game.
I didn't watch the whole game. I sped through key plays, fourth quarter mainly.
Key plays. Congrats to the Dodgers.
Oh, yeah. We could talk about the fan interference.
I mean, that dude did the whole press tour. Of course, Gronk knows him.
That basically is everything you need to know. I know.
By the way, the Yankees, they were going to let him in. MLB said no last night.
As they should. Look, as they should.
I mean, at the end of the day, I think people made a light of it. I love the spirit, and I do think it maybe added some pep.
Like, oh, this guy's willing to go to jail and lose his $3,000 seats. The least we could do is run a little harder but yeah you just can't you can't do that that could just lead to so many other bad things like fan we should and i'm a big believer in you fans are a part of the game but they should not be a part of the actual game they should be a part of the atmosphere of the game don't don't yeah i don't i don't know enjoyed all the content.
So I don't really have some hot take. I just don't think this result would have been different, Matt.
I really don't feel that bitter about it. I would have loved the game six, but I don't feel that bitter about it.
Dude, it's, hey, listen, man. Two best teams in baseball all year faced off in the World Series.
We got an East Coast, West Coast. I bought an East Coast, West Coast shirt last night.
I felt like, you know,ize this. I'll be wearing that on the pod next week.
Good for the pod. Good signs we got Yankees-Dodgers in our seventh episode, basically.
That's a good sign for us. We had our boys Swish on talking.
It's awesome, man. But I'm with you, dude.
Baseball, it's a wrap. It's time.
It's time. We're going to the second half of football we got nba picking up uh we got a lot of good shit i am curious to see the the numbers on the world series because i saw some preliminary stuff but i know the basketball numbers are way down from the for the debut week and i think that's attributed to being that there's a great world series matchup They were doing 15 million in Japan alone on top of the 15 million in game one.

Good for baseball. Happy this happened.
Yeah. On to basketball.
Well, Matt, go get some. I know you're basically getting ready for Big Noon, getting fired up.
So we'll definitely check you out there. Hey, enjoy Halloween, brother.
Oh, yeah. I'm about to go take 30 kids trick-or-treating because all of Jacob's cousins are coming

here.

So I go throw on the Zerg costume.

Listen, don't be a Grinch.

Have a smile.

It's for the children tonight.

Okay?

It's for the children.

All right?

Wu-Tang is for the kids.

Wu-Tang is for the children.

All right, buddy.

All right, Matty.

Have fun over there.

Later, bro. children all right all right maddie have fun over there later bro