Dak’s Down on Dallas, Saquon’s Stunning Leap, Kelce vs a Fan and Kurt Warner Joins the Show!

Speaker 1 there a surprise, a takeaway so far, quarterback play, anything that sticks out to you?

Speaker 2 Yeah, quarterback play, I think, is terrible right now. Guys trying to come from college to play our game, it's faster.

Speaker 2 You know, good athletes in college are not good athletes in the NFL, so to speak. You got to know what you're doing.
You got to know what you're seeing.

Speaker 3 Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks, everybody.

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Speaker 3 We've also been throwing our throwback three every week, so you guys can let us know what you're thinking. And we do respond to you, as always.

Speaker 3 Matt Leinert, how's it going today, buddy?

Speaker 1 Whether they like us or not. Whether they like us or not.
It's going good, man. How was

Speaker 1 we? We are a week from removed from Halloween and just.

Speaker 4 First show in November. First show in November.
First show in November.

Speaker 1 Just a little Halloween recap.

Speaker 4 How was it?

Speaker 4 I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 Are you a Grinch?

Speaker 1 I know you're a little bit little Grinch.

Speaker 3 No, I wasn't a Grinch, but so we're doing throwback, our Throwback 3 today. We have a really good category.

Speaker 3 I'm going to say my Halloween recap is in the thing that stuck out to me is in my Halloween recap with the Throwback 3. I will say, though, I got my first,

Speaker 3 Brie, my lovely wife, who was on last week, mentioned Elf on the Shelf to me yesterday, and I put my cup in my ears and ran.

Speaker 4 I just went,

Speaker 4 and just ran. I'm not ready for Elf on the Shelf.

Speaker 1 The thing is, is both of our wives have agreed, I think, that November 15th.

Speaker 4 November 15th is doomsday.

Speaker 3 It's an embargo. We have an embargo.

Speaker 1 It's the day you and I are going in the attic and just starting to, yeah, like we're little elves. We're Santa's elves.
I know. Gosh, if they team up together, we are screwed, dude.

Speaker 1 We got to stay strong, bro.

Speaker 3 No, I think we have it

Speaker 4 in a good place.

Speaker 1 November is great. Like, you got

Speaker 1 the college football last couple weeks, a great race, playoffs.

Speaker 3 You got

Speaker 1 just everything starts to heat up in November. You know, baseball's over, basketball's picking up.
I think, you know, NFL, we're halfway through.

Speaker 1 We're starting to see some of these division races kind of heat up. Some of the teams that we said were shit a couple weeks ago are starting to make a run.
I mean, Rams are one. Bengals are one.

Speaker 1 Like, that's why we love football, man.

Speaker 3 Speaking of the Rams and also your former team, Arizona Cardinals, we got Kurt Warner joining us today. Greatest show on turf.

Speaker 3 I mean, listening to that dude and the way he talks about quarterbacks, you're going to learn something. I think he's calling the game too in Germany the barn burner that will be Giants Panthers.

Speaker 3 That's what we want Europe to see.

Speaker 4 Giants Panthers. What does that say? I'm going.

Speaker 4 I'm going.

Speaker 4 Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 Imagine I called you. I'm like, Matt, I'm on the plane to Germany.

Speaker 4 Giants Panthers.

Speaker 1 I would be like, why?

Speaker 1 Bree would not allow that to happen. I'm excited to talk to Kurt because for a lot of reasons.
Kurt and I played together in Arizona for four years, and

Speaker 1 it's such a fascinating quarterbacks and quarterback rooms and veterans versus rookies. And quarterback play, which Kurt, there's no one better to talk quarterback play than Kurt.

Speaker 1 So I think he's going to be fascinating. But also just going back to our time, you know, we don't really get a chance to talk that much because of lives and busyness and all that.

Speaker 1 But like, it was a crazy time, you know, me getting drafted and taking his spot, then me being labeled what I've been labeled, but having a chance to really learn from him.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, we really became really close in that quarterback room and really became friends.

Speaker 1 Um, so I'm excited kind of kind of to peel back those layers a little bit, you know, what of memories. And, um, and also like, dude, he was a part of some of the best teams that ever played.

Speaker 1 Like, he's, I mean, listen, if you love football and you want to hear stories, like this is, this is, this is your episode because he's going to be great.

Speaker 3 Well, you mentioned also basketball. It's November basketball starting.
Just give me a second.

Speaker 4 How the Knicks doing, Bobby?

Speaker 3 Can I have 20 seconds? And I'm not going to crush you with basketball just yet. Can I have 20 seconds?

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 You could have 30. Yeah, give you 30 seconds.

Speaker 3 30 seconds.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 3 Knicks off to a rough star. Not rough star.
The 500 team, they're figuring things out, but I'm more so. I'm waiting.

Speaker 3 Chris Mannix, one of my favorite reporters, one of my favorite journalists. Love him for boxing, basketball.
That's my opinion. He made this whole take of Mikhail Bridges changed his shot.

Speaker 3 Someone's going to get fired. Mikkel Bridges is shooting the same way he shot last year.
I'm waiting for the follow-up, Chris.

Speaker 3 You said you were going to be following this Mikael Bridges shooting hitch story real closely. You talked a bunch of shit on opening night and warm-ups.
You haven't said a word since.

Speaker 1 Just waiting.

Speaker 3 Where's the follow-up? Where are you going to report like, hey, his jump shot looks fine? Everything's fine. He's shooting the same exact way he did last year.

Speaker 1 Josh nuts. He obviously hates you.
Are you guys? Do you have a relationship?

Speaker 4 Do you have a relationship? I know Chris for a long time.

Speaker 1 Because the way you talk about him, it makes me feel like you want to punch him through your Twitter fingers.

Speaker 3 Matt, he fired the first shot. And maybe it's my Italian blood.

Speaker 3 If I have like a vendetta, I was minding my business one day and my Twitter account blew up because Chris Mannix said, it's Nick fans' fault that Jalen Brunson's not starting in the all-star game.

Speaker 3 That whole shit.

Speaker 4 I'm like, oh, okay.

Speaker 4 We debated it. That's a stretch.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 he did a drive-by on me.

Speaker 3 He just, he didn't text me that. He tweeted me that

Speaker 3 drive-by. So now I drive by him every single day.
After every Knicks game, I at him.

Speaker 4 Dude, I would post to him.

Speaker 1 I would love to get him on the pod and just

Speaker 4 anytime.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's get him on the pod and just.

Speaker 4 And he's a positive.

Speaker 3 He can handle me talking shit to him. Like, he's not offended easily.
He can handle it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I would just stir the hell out of that pod. I just, like, I want to see you guys end up like yelling at each other.

Speaker 3 I can't stand his basketball takes. I cannot stand.
Maybe it's because he's a Celtics fan, too. He's a really good journalist.
I cannot stand his basketball takes. You gave me like 90 seconds there.

Speaker 3 I love you for it.

Speaker 1 What's the Knicks are what? What are they, four and four?

Speaker 3 Going into tonight,

Speaker 3 well, by the time this episode airs, they'll either be, they're three and three right now. They'll either be four and three or three and four.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 3 nothing to write home about just yet. It's early.

Speaker 3 Let's talk about the nfl really quick the things that stuck out and i i always try to think what are the things i need to talk about with matt obviously uh the cowboys everyone loves to talk about them but dak getting caught on camera saying we suck i want to ask you that

Speaker 3 well my first thought is that's like a tale as old as time meaning i i only played sports up until like sophomore year of high school, so I'm not the best reference point, but I can remember being 10 years old in Little League Baseball on a bad team and striking out and going back to my bench and be like, we fucking suck.

Speaker 3 And everyone's like, yeah, we kind of do.

Speaker 4 I saw nothing terrible about that, right?

Speaker 1 It's like, it's like people forget, like, athletes are human. Athletes are playing a sport.
Most of us all played sports growing up. Like you said, you played sports growing up.

Speaker 1 And it's like, when you call an ace, you know, a spade a spade, it's like, dude, we fucking suck.

Speaker 4 We fucking suck.

Speaker 4 We're not like, like, we're not fucking good.

Speaker 1 We're not a good team. And just because we're the Dallas Cowboys and like, there's all these expectations we're in the media.

Speaker 1 It's like, we are like what are they two and six I mean they're like like that is bad and I'm telling you what man I've been on bad teams and the Cowboys are like it's you can't win because they are just like I mean they're not I don't even they're America's team right that's what they're labeled but they're just always in the media good old it's got to be exhausting Africa it's got to be exhausting and now that you're bad and this was a team that was coming in that was like hey talent on paper you know this and that it's a playoff team.

Speaker 1 It can go south really quick. And that's just frustration.
There's no problem with that. They suck.
They do. And I don't know.

Speaker 3 And he said it to someone. He didn't mumble it to himself.
There was a few players within earshot.

Speaker 4 So clearly, you can't even say, oh, the locker room's falling apart.

Speaker 3 No, they all agree. They fucking suck.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, Andrew, thank you. Cowboys are three and five, but.

Speaker 4 Three and five.

Speaker 1 Yeah, three and five.

Speaker 4 Three and five down halfway apart.

Speaker 3 Dak doesn't see

Speaker 4 as well.

Speaker 1 Dak's out for a little bit. Yeah, look, I think it's, it's,

Speaker 1 we're seeing a little bit of division, right, in some of these locker rooms and teams. And I'm telling you, man, when

Speaker 1 you lose at that level,

Speaker 1 people start, I'll say, like, you can, you start catching some stray bullets, dude. Like, locker room kind of becomes divided.
You know, quarterbacks get a lot of heat if they're not playing well.

Speaker 1 You got, you got guys start chirping online. Like, it just, it's just when you're talking about.

Speaker 3 That's what's happening with the Saints.

Speaker 3 to me i just thought you described the new orleans saints yes you got michael thomas taking shots at what is up with that

Speaker 1 that that like

Speaker 1 that bothers me it bothers me because

Speaker 1 there's a time and a place for that you know and i look like like derek carr might not be playing to

Speaker 1 uh maybe the expectation what he's making all of those things no and he's been in and out of the lineup

Speaker 1 whatever we can we can say that i think derek carr is pretty is a good dude he works hard i think he's like he's won a lot like he's had a lot of success in the league as well.

Speaker 1 Um, but like, like, to take, I just, I hate, I hate that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 Like, if you got a problem with a dude, that's, that's, that, you go to his face, you go in the locker room, and you confront him, and you hash it out within the walls because that's what a team is, right?

Speaker 1 And so, when people get online, and we saw, I mean, guy, we saw this with Jason Kelsey this past week with a fan, but like, when people get to that, yeah, yeah, when people get to a point, and this is an athlete, right, just like using this platform just to talk

Speaker 1 and then it and then it's like then you got to the quarterbacks got to answer it in the media it becomes a national story where guys like us now talk about it it's like like grow the up dude honestly that's my thought on it so it pisses me off and maybe it's because i've been in that situation before but it's like if you got a problem with me come in my face and tell me and that's fine and we can talk like men and we're not going to talk via uh you know x well that does go on but also you're trying to say like he's

Speaker 3 he got olave hurt obviously not intentionally but he's he's so bad that he just gets his wide receivers hurt if that's a thing i mean you could there's lots of quarterbacks that probably threw some passes that are like shit i i left my guy out to dry and they got crushed i don't think that's unique to derek carr or intentional

Speaker 1 yeah that was it's just it's just like for what but that's that's the world that's this internet culture that we've created where just it's people think there's free reign without consequences yeah

Speaker 3 dude scared panic and just throw the ball that's what he a series of of get him the f out of here he is so ass well he might not be wrong about that but but i don't think i'm just saying listen

Speaker 1 like there's a time and place and i've been in those locker rooms where you're like like if your qb's not playing well he's gonna get you know gets all the glory gets all the shame all that stuff and that's part of the position that's why you make 50 million dollars a year you got a problem you you address it you address it within the walls The quarterback takes responsibility.

Speaker 1 I've been in meetings where QBs come up and say, I'm not playing well enough for this team. I'll get better or whatever.
And that's just how you handle that shit. Like you're grown men handling it.

Speaker 1 It's a job. It's a business.
But unfortunately, it's just a different world, man. It's a different world that we live in.

Speaker 3 Well, we also saw what a job and a business it was from my guy, Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 3 I still don't love, I still don't get the giant fan bitterness, but I just, I just have to, I didn't share this on Twitter. I saved it for for this watching that

Speaker 4 play

Speaker 3 which we've seen him do amazing things with the giants i know some shows and people in the media are trying to like name the move whatever that backward reverse spin is for me it's just called the heartbreaker because not that i'm mad at him because he's in philly do you know what it was like matt it was like going on instagram and your ex-girlfriend you see her and now she's like in bora bora with her very handsome wealthy new boyfriend that's what it felt like You're on Instagram, you look at it like, oh, it's like the reven, like the revenge body, yes, and all of a sudden it's like, oh man, she's in.

Speaker 3 What are they doing in Bora? Oh, they're at the fourth season. They got one of those huts over the water.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then, and then you, then you, then you start scrolling and deep diving on accident.

Speaker 1 You accidentally like a photo and you start to sweat.

Speaker 3 He's on this fourth business. He sold his fourth business.
Wow, that guy looks great. Definitely better than me.
That's all I felt like. Happy for him.

Speaker 3 That move would have been the bright spot of the Giants season. The whole season.

Speaker 1 that would have been we would have dined out on that move if that was in a giants jersey he's just dude he's just he's an incredible athlete like it's just it's it's you can't really it's especially in football because it's so hard because all of these athletes the the best part and this was and and you know the best part about this was the all of the videos now of the Eagles reactions, all his teammates.

Speaker 1 And the whole thing was like, these are grown men, grown athletes, the best at what they do, watching their buddy do the same thing to the best athletes in the world.

Speaker 1 and they are like like in awe right like it would be like i was like saquon reminds me of like bo jackson like but it's two different eras but the build and the athleticism and like just the things you could do it's like this dude is hurtling guys spinning hurdling backwards getting like like like like get back and get up and get back in the huddle run next like nothing happened it's like it's like well sometimes you need to stop and just appreciate like holy shit like this dude is different It's hard to see new things.

Speaker 3 Even the Garrett Wilson catch was awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But i've seen that before you know and it's always compared to like oh who odell and then like is this the greatest different it's slightly different but in the same we've never seen that before we've never seen that before that catch no saquon oh saquan never seen and then the only other thing i've seen this year in football that i haven't seen before i'm forgetting the the the dude on alabama the receiver who had that yeah that crazy i've never seen that i've just never seen a human body do that those are the two things this year that i've never seen before and i hope we continue to get it but we're running out of stuff.

Speaker 1 By the way, dude,

Speaker 1 I'm just hoping not to pull a Hammy just shooting a horse in our shootout that we're going to have at USC in a couple of years. I mean, we should start pumping that up, dude, because it is on.

Speaker 1 By the way, I'm creating a lot of hoopla around this.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we have our three-point shootout.

Speaker 1 When was the last time you shot a basketball?

Speaker 3 This is a great question because I was playing a little bit in the summer, and then I shot something at Madison Square Garden where we were shooting a little bit. So

Speaker 1 I don't want any excuses.

Speaker 3 There's no excuses. I'm the only one.
You have time.

Speaker 1 If you don't shoot, that's on you.

Speaker 3 I'm going to get out there. Well, I'm flying to LA actually this week, but I'm going to get out.
I'm going to get, I need two days to get some shots up. That's all.

Speaker 3 We're not playing like a five-on-five where I got to run nine. Yeah, but they're,

Speaker 1 but you're playing.

Speaker 3 And it's not a time three-point shootout, right? We're not timing it.

Speaker 1 No, we're not going to time it, but you might have people watching you there.

Speaker 3 Buddy, I've been having people watch me for 25 years. Ain't going to scare me now.
I failed in front of more people.

Speaker 3 i've failed and lost the things in front of more people than that will be at wherever we're shooting um oh i can't wait i can't wait well

Speaker 3 you mentioned kelcey earlier and i know a lot almost everyone has commented on it but i do think we need to talk about it because I think there's a bigger picture with all this stuff.

Speaker 3 Kelsey and B, even the stuff we were talking about with Mike, with Michael Thomas and Derek Carr. But we saw Jason Kelsey and the smashed phone and the homa, but we saw it.
We know what happened.

Speaker 3 We don't have to rehash. I just feel like, and I'd love to get your opinion.
I just feel like it's a slippery slope no matter which way you go.

Speaker 3 Cause on one hand, I'm old school in a sense of like, oh, you want to make that joke on Twitter? All right. I don't know who you are.
You got me. You want to make it to my face?

Speaker 3 That's a different story.

Speaker 4 And all the rules are gone.

Speaker 3 But in the same boat,

Speaker 3 Kelsey has, you know, is a very, very public figure right now. He, he showed and lost restraint in amazing ways at the same time.

Speaker 3 Breaking the phone is a complete loss of restraint, but then him kind of getting pushed

Speaker 3 and not smashing the guy's face after that is amazing restraint.

Speaker 3 So I do think that crossing this line where you get that close to a, well, in this case, a former player, but now big personality, and you get to say that stuff.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I worry.

Speaker 1 He should have punched him in the face and it would have been justified. But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's a fine line.

Speaker 1 And I'm, but, but I'm glad it happened in that sense because we talk about this internet culture and, you know, you, you can hide behind a screen and you can type away because now you have access to, you have direct access to athletes, public figures, politicians, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 Like you can communicate with them. And if they choose to communicate back with you, like you are literally speaking to that person.
So you can tell them whatever the hell you want, good or bad.

Speaker 1 And you do it without consequence.

Speaker 4 Zero. You don't got to worry.

Speaker 1 zero, zero. It, you know, we call it like, you know, Twitter, Twitter fingers and like you can hide behind a keyboard, but that's, that's what people do.

Speaker 1 Um, so when it happens, and it very rarely happens, I think, in person, like we saw with Kelsey, um,

Speaker 1 I'm kind of glad it happened in a sense because a lot of these people, you know, like, like, they need to be reminded that like there are consequences at times for this shit.

Speaker 1 If you do that, you are lucky he didn't beat the hell out of you. Now,

Speaker 1 maybe they want that because then they can sue and they can do all these things. Like, they're like,

Speaker 1 that's the shitty world we're in.

Speaker 1 But I think it just reminded me, I thought he handled it perfectly great, honestly,

Speaker 1 probably better than a lot of people. Because as you said,

Speaker 1 you know, he lashed out with the phone, which by the way was great. Didn't put his hands on the guy, but you know, like, don't mess.

Speaker 3 Bronx spiked his phone.

Speaker 1 And then he showed the patience and the restraint to be like, say what you can do and he moved on.

Speaker 1 But I hope it's a wake-up call for people man like like like it's one thing on online and you can do this and all that but like when you're in person and like dudes mind your own business and you're walking you're going this and like you have you maybe have a couple drinks in you and you all of a sudden you're like oh i'm feeling pretty tough today well

Speaker 3 you're not you're not you're not you're not and by the way that could have ended very very badly for you so well um i i have this one i'm not going to mention his name but this this uh actor friend of mine and he's done pretty well in his career uh it's not anyone from Entourage, so don't worry.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 he's definitely, you know, was the kind of person where a lot of people, if, you know, maybe would talk shit to him in the same way almost as an athlete, even though he wasn't an athlete and he was an actor.

Speaker 3 And he had, when we're talking one day about like, this is like insurances and stuff. And he has like an umbrella policy.
He used to call his knockout fund. I'm like, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 He's like, well.

Speaker 3 Someone says some shit to me. I knock them out.
They sue me.

Speaker 3 That's why I carry extra insurance. But I want that.

Speaker 4 I want that ability to be able to handle it.

Speaker 3 And that sets me,

Speaker 3 that rocked me to my very core. I'm not about that life, but yeah.
So

Speaker 3 you almost wish like Dana White started the slap.

Speaker 3 You almost wish Dana White, like, hey, imagine that incident happens and Dana White pops out and it's like, all right, we're going to do contracts real fast. Sign.
Sign up.

Speaker 3 Okay, you're not going to sue him. He's not going to sue you.
You guys got beef. You called him a slur.
Ready? Go.

Speaker 4 Like, you wish it could happen that fast because that would stop it all. It would stop it all.

Speaker 3 And look, I'm all for the like, hey, Jason, you suck as a center.

Speaker 4 You were terrible, which is not true.

Speaker 3 I, when it gets personal, you lose me.

Speaker 3 Whether you're playing pickup basketball or you're playing in the league, when you get personal like that as a fan or whatever, someone trolling, which is getting more and more popular, you lose me, which brings me to the Embiid situation.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 3 And look, he put, he put his hands on the reporter in that case, Marcus A's, and

Speaker 3 that shouldn't have happened no matter what, because you got to show the restraint. But just for me, and again, I'm no Joel Embiid.
I have 1% notoriety that he's ever had.

Speaker 3 But I've been in situations where someone in media said some not nice things and you try to redirect it.

Speaker 3 But I have also been in the situation, this wasn't a nefarious thing where I think it was like Rosie O'Donnell where I was doing like an interview and she innocently mentioned my father who died 40 years ago.

Speaker 3 Okay. And it was, he didn't go out.
He went out. There's a story behind how he went out, but I wasn't prepared for it.

Speaker 3 She asked me about it and I just like panic. You saw I visibly got shook up.
And I guess that's my point. There's a golden rule.

Speaker 3 If your personal life is affecting something on the field, if you get in legal trouble and you're not playing because you're suspect, all right, that's fair game.

Speaker 3 That's a story and it's affecting your performance and it's like a legal thing. But I get into a lot of,

Speaker 3 I get into, I don't know, it just hits me a different way. No, I agree.
I don't know what his angle was, what he was trying to say, like you're failing your son, whatever it was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he lost a family member and yeah, it's just like even bring it up.

Speaker 4 Don't even bring it up.

Speaker 1 There's the personal professionalism, sport, personal, like, like you can't blend the lines because there's no story there. There's no story.

Speaker 1 If you want to talk about him not playing back-to-backs, you want to talk about his injury, like

Speaker 1 those are, that's fair game. He can answer it how he wants and react, but that's fair.

Speaker 1 But like when you make it personal or you use that as an analogy to whatever, it's like, dude, no, like that's just not okay. And that's like the golden rule.

Speaker 1 Like, like for me, being an athlete, like that was always we talked about in locker room. It's like, dude, you know, you got to be a big boy.
Like you're getting paid a lot of money.

Speaker 1 You got to be able to handle criticism and all that. But like when you,

Speaker 1 when you talk about a family member or a personal issue and all that that you're going through, like you don't know what these dudes are going through.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like, you don't know what they're going through outside of

Speaker 1 basketball.

Speaker 5 And yeah.

Speaker 3 You can't even reference, if you reference my friend who passed away 20 years ago, like, even if you just bring him up in a nice way, I still have to go off in the corner and like fight back tears.

Speaker 3 So to

Speaker 3 make that into a story, it's so weird, Matt. And we could wrap it up and move on.
But I was thinking about it like this, too.

Speaker 3 And I don't even know how you feel as an, you know, play being a professional athlete, but we are all in this together in our own way, meaning the athlete, the fan, and the media member.

Speaker 3 Regardless of how athletes feel about media, I get it, or how fans feel about some athletes, I get it. But this whole thing works.
We're doing this show because of that revolving door.

Speaker 3 We are in business together, whether we like it or not. Okay, the fans pay money and watch and consume.

Speaker 3 Athletes get paid real up, but you're playing a game you love and you're making a living doing it. And the media is supposed to highlight the stories.
And on and on we go.

Speaker 3 And I just feel like it's in the weirdest place that it's ever been.

Speaker 3 Twitter's been around long enough now that we can't say it's just social media. It's been around long enough.

Speaker 1 But it's social, but it's, again, I just go back to the access and just like this, this feeling that fans and people have that they feel like they can like like they feel like they're as invested.

Speaker 1 as the players so that they can have these all these opinions and you suck and this and that and it's like you can't coexist that way way like and i get it like you get frustrated i get it like that like but i would tell you the players are just as frustrated they're living in it and and everyone's like well i i always this is a little bit off talk but i always hated like well they're making millions of dollars okay yeah dude like they are they're still human this is what they this is what they chose to do this is the path they're they're they're elite in what they do it doesn't mean that they're robots dude like they're they're like still putting a roof over their kids head they're still dealing with real shit at home like all the things that we all deal with as people.

Speaker 1 And I think that's sometimes what's forgotten from a fan or a media and all of that. And again, it's hard because it's like, well, shoot, you make 10 mil.
Like, come on, man. Like, grow a pair.

Speaker 3 Like, like, that's not it.

Speaker 1 It's just not it. So I get it.
Like, it is a full circle. Like, it's all interwoven.
Fans make sport great. Media allows sport to be watched.
Like, we give athletes give fans what they want.

Speaker 1 Like, how do you coexist? And just recently, and again, also, not to get too deep here, like, we're in a we're in a place right now with a divided country, man.

Speaker 1 Like, we need to, like, and sport is actually the one thing that brings everybody together.

Speaker 4 You, you would think. Yeah, you would think.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 So, I'm with you, man. That's why I don't mind.
I don't mind Kevin Durant up in the wee hours of the morning tweeting back at people. That to me is healthy.
I think that is healthy.

Speaker 3 I love listening to Draymond Green on this podcast.

Speaker 3 I don't always agree, definitely, about his Knicks stuff, but I love athletes, you know, current and former, having their own platforms to tell the story their way. But don't get it twisted.

Speaker 1 Like it is a,

Speaker 3 it is a cycle. And I, I've, look, my limited experience, I am.

Speaker 3 I, there was a reporter one time who was following me and the entourage guys around when the movie came out and was going to do this like exclusive story. He's going to follow us out for two days.

Speaker 3 And we all got along real great. Thought the guy had a great time.
We were there working and the guy shit on us for like 10 pages, right? It sucks.

Speaker 3 And there's things I could say to this people, but it's like, look, that's part of it, but it wasn't really personal. It never got personal.
So you accept it and you move on. But yeah, it does suck.

Speaker 3 And we were making good money for that movie. And we had to

Speaker 3 deal with it. So I don't know.
I don't know where to go from there. I just, I just, I feel like it could all get better.

Speaker 3 All right. Thanks, Jerry.
Sorry. Sorry.
I'm a deep thinker today, but you know what?

Speaker 3 Let's highlight something good. Huh?

Speaker 4 Let's pivot.

Speaker 3 Let's pivot out of that stuff. And

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Speaker 3 And every week, Matt and I are going to highlight a player on or off the field or court doing something we love and especially something that's saucy.

Speaker 3 Matt, it's a quarterback. I guess this is the quarterback episode that we're doing.

Speaker 1 Oh, gosh, did we do this? Did we do the same quarterback?

Speaker 3 You didn't have Kirk Cousins, did you?

Speaker 4 No. Okay, I have Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 3 Last two games, he has seven touchdowns, 500 yards. Last five games, he has 13 touchdowns and almost 1,500 yards and only three picks.

Speaker 3 4-0 in the division, 3-0 on the road. Basically cemented the Falcons.
I mean, they'd have to have a pretty big breakdown for anyone to catch them with the injuries that the Bucs have.

Speaker 3 The guy does it everywhere. He goes.
He's going to win comeback player of the year. He has to be the favorite.
I love Nick Chubb. I love the Sam Darnold story.

Speaker 3 He's the comeback player. The guy blew out his Achilles last year, and he's putting up monster numbers.
And hear me out, Matt.

Speaker 1 I'm listening.

Speaker 3 I know the Falcons have some defensive problems, but I love where that offense is at. Obviously, we hope Drake London comes back.

Speaker 1 I was going to say they have more problems than the defense.

Speaker 3 That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 I love Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 He saved Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 4 The very people who draft Kyle Pitts every year in fantasy.

Speaker 1 Competition saved Kyle Pitts. Just like, hey, let's just get this dude the ball.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 But having someone who can get him the ball also helps. So, Kirk Cousins, you are my can't get enough sauce moment of the week.

Speaker 1 I love that we're on the same page. I'm going with, who do you think I'm going with?

Speaker 3 Honestly, I don't know because Kirk Cousins, to me, oh, you going with Joey B?

Speaker 1 I'm going with Joey B.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I'm going with Joey B.

Speaker 1 Five tutties against the Raiders last week.

Speaker 3 Quietly having an MVP season.

Speaker 1 I was going to say a big one, big one tonight against the Ravens.

Speaker 1 They've won three of four. We spent the first three episodes just talking how bad the Bengals were.
And they were.

Speaker 4 They were.

Speaker 1 They've won three of four.

Speaker 1 Everyone talked about, ah, he's not that good. I heard a lot of these people on media be like, ah, like, he's got good players.
He's not as good as what they paid him. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, you don't blink. And what you just said, 20 touchdowns, four interceptions this year.
I think 80 like completion it's like the numbers are ridiculous it's saucy uh

Speaker 1 an under the radar mvp candidate um and also this past week he was talking a little smack on the guy on on the bench like you can see it like i love this shit because you can see it in his joe joe b is always serious like he's always serious like it's almost like dude loosen up a little bit but like you can tell right and like yelling at the guy sitting down i still don't even know the backstory of that but like he's locked in, dude.

Speaker 1 He's locked in. The Bengals win against the Ravens.
They're what, five? What are they? Four and five right now or three or whatever.

Speaker 4 They're right in the mix.

Speaker 1 They're right back in the mix.

Speaker 1 Dude, saucy with

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Speaker 3 Shout outs to Wendy's. And yeah, the Bengals are coming, man.
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Yeah.

Speaker 3 Shout out to Joey B. Those two guys.
Can't get enough sauce moment of the week. All right.
Thank you to Wendy's, as always. And we're going to take a quick break.

Speaker 3 And when we come back, Kurt Warner, everybody.

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Speaker 3 All right, joining us now, two-time MVP, key figure in what is known as the greatest show on turf, which I miss, by the way. I miss watching that every weekend.

Speaker 3 He's enshrined in the pro football hall of fame, and you can hear him every week on West With One's Call on Monday Night Football. He does a great job with that.
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Speaker 3 The legend Kurt Warner joins us. Kurt, thank you for coming on.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 2 You got it. Great to be on with you guys.

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Speaker 1 uh let's start let's start just today's nfl buddy and and just like we're halfway you know through the season and you're calling games you're fully invested in it is there you know is there a surprise a takeaway so far quarterback play anything that sticks out to you well yeah quarterback play i think is terrible right now which um it's it's rough i mean you know you cover college football It's that it's such a different game.

Speaker 2 And these guys trying to come from college to play our game, it's just different. It's faster.
You know, good athletes in college are not good athletes in the NFL, so to speak, right?

Speaker 2 You can't live in that world in the NFL. You got to know what you're doing.
You got to know what you're seeing. And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I think some of these guys are in bad spots because they're getting thrown in before. they're ready to play just because they're supposed to be or because they're grafted high.

Speaker 2 But that's probably my biggest takeaway is that the game is evolving to me in the wrong direction.

Speaker 2 It's becoming everything at the line of scrimmage, a bunch of bubble screens, a bunch of quick throws, oftentimes because these guys can't see it.

Speaker 2 It's become a lot of pure progression stuff, which I'm not a proponent of it because I think it hurts quarterbacks as much as it seems to make sense. And I'm sure you see it all in college football.

Speaker 2 Hey, we've got to get the best athlete on the field right now and we've got to play him.

Speaker 2 So the best way is to just throw him out there and say, hey, this is one, two, three, four, five, no matter matter what coverage you see.

Speaker 2 But it's just, it's hard to play that way in the NFL, in my opinion. And I see that hurt quarterbacks every week.
So

Speaker 2 that's kind of, to me, kind of the bummer of things, because I think we have some really good young quarterbacks,

Speaker 2 but they're not being put into situations to succeed or they're not being given the chance to sit a little bit and learn. And now they have to.

Speaker 2 survive, you know, like, you know, I look at Justin Fields is that, you know, they threw him in in Chicago and it was just survive.

Speaker 2 You got to try to win while you're surviving without knowing what to do. Anthony Richardson, I think, is the same way.
Here, go. You know, you're a great athlete.
Figure it out while you go.

Speaker 2 And you can't learn that way. You just survive that way.
And so that's probably the biggest takeaway for the most part.

Speaker 1 How would, how would you describe? Because, because we come, it's crazy how much the offense has evolved.

Speaker 1 And I was just telling, telling Jerry before, like, if you completed over 60% of your throws, like, and you, you had one, I mean, you and like Drew Brees and some of those guys in that era were like 65 closer.

Speaker 1 But now it's like you see guys 75 and it's a different, it's, it's different.

Speaker 1 How would you describe for everybody that will listen how the quarterback position was taught when you played, the way you helped me learn it, as opposed to what you just said now?

Speaker 1 Like, what is the biggest difference in simple terms?

Speaker 2 Sure. Yeah.
I mean, first, you know, it was funny. We looked like a couple years ago.
So for a few years, I led the league in completion percentage at 65, 66, whatever that was.

Speaker 2 And we looked a few years ago and there were 20 guys, like we went back to one of the years that I led the league.

Speaker 2 There were 20 guys in the league that had a higher completion percentage than I had when I led the league

Speaker 2 back in the day. And so it is so completely different.
But just to kind of expand on what we were talking about, I'm a guy that believes in defender read.

Speaker 2 And so what I mean by that is that, you know, if I put Jerry on a deep route and I put you on a short route, I'm basically reading both of you at the same time because I'm reading the defender that I'm putting in conflict.

Speaker 2 If he goes deep, I throw it to Matt. If he goes short, I throw it to Jerry.

Speaker 2 Like that's how I was taught how to play the game is that the defense always has to tell you where to go if you've got a good concept.

Speaker 2 If I have a concept where I just send Jerry deep and then I send you somewhere else on the other side of the field. There's nothing that tells me where to throw it.

Speaker 2 Like I'm just like, okay, is Jerry open? No.

Speaker 4 Is Matt open?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 okay like and so to me it slows the game down whereas if i can read two guys at one time so you know we always talk about reads right this guy's number one this guy's number two like if both of my guys are number one like the game's faster if i have to get all the way back to number five by going one two three four five

Speaker 2 it's going to be impossible in this game and so that was the first part the second part is you know, we do this pure progression, which kind of becomes this thing where we have guys all over the field running and we're hoping that the timing plays out.

Speaker 2 After I look at number one, now number two is coming open, now number three is coming into my vision.

Speaker 2 You know how we played, Matt, it was like everything was really a half field read because I can't see 11 guys.

Speaker 2 I don't really care what the guys on the back side are doing as long as the front side read stays on the front side. And so really most concepts are that way anyways.

Speaker 2 Even if you're doing a pure progression type thing, it starts on one side.

Speaker 2 And so the way I always like to play and when I coached and how I like to design things is I'm going to give you a play on both sides, Matt, in most situations.

Speaker 2 So now I'm going to give you the key to look for to the left. Okay, if the corner's off to the left, go ahead and read this and you're reading the outside linebacker.

Speaker 2 Bang, bang, somebody's going to be open. If the corner rolls, now I want you to go back to the right-hand side and you're reading this guy and you're going one, two, three.

Speaker 2 And so we never really have a four and a five. because you can't get there because the game's too fast.
Like you're not getting there anyway. So we're not going to waste guys.

Speaker 2 And so that to me in kind of simplest terms is: A, I want you to read a defender. So that defender, he goes in, you throw it out.
He goes out, you throw it in. He goes high, you throw it low.

Speaker 2 Like, so you know, as a quarterback, if you're looking at the right guy, he's going to tell you where to go with the football. And you don't have to make it up as you go.

Speaker 2 And so that to me is one of the biggest differences. And again, I think it's very much in college.

Speaker 2 a lot of this pure progression and it's starting to trickle into the NFL so these college guys can play.

Speaker 2 And I just see it every week. And, you know, I think I text every Monday after I watch film.
I hate pure progression. Like, I hate it.
I see how it hurts quarterbacks every single week.

Speaker 2 And I feel for these guys because it's like,

Speaker 2 you know, like if number three is doing something that's not going to get open for four seconds, I can't go to number three right now. Like I can't get there faster.

Speaker 2 You know, if I know that number one and two aren't open, I still have to wait for number three to run his route before I can get there.

Speaker 2 So it just slows the process down and it hurts the game and it hurts these quarterbacks and their development. And, um, and I don't know the reason.

Speaker 3 So, something I want to ask you, because I'm pretty fascinated, and I think my team is probably going to be involved in this, right?

Speaker 3 You know, drafting quarterbacks in the first round, especially early within the top 10, 15 picks, it seems like one of the best mysteries in football. Like, how do you truly know?

Speaker 3 And people lose their jobs over picking the wrong player, or then these guys go and resurge somewhere else. So, it's like, maybe I was right.
So if you were

Speaker 3 GM or head coach,

Speaker 3 throw the Giants in there, but I don't even want to make it specific for you. But if your job, our team needs a quarterback this year, Kurt.

Speaker 3 What are the things that you would be looking for as a GM, as a coach, someone you're bringing in, a kid from college who we just, you just broke it down. So amazing.

Speaker 3 I'm going to listen to that all back because I don't want to miss anything. What would you be looking for in that war room?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, let's first just say you don't know until you know. And, you know, like we can assess them in a million different ways, but the game is different and the speed is different.

Speaker 2 And I've seen great college quarterbacks that haven't been able to make that same type of, you know, transfer to the NFL because the game's just faster.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, they can be the same quarterback. that they were in college five or six years into the NFL, but it's not good enough to excel in the NFL.

Speaker 2 And then you see guys like a Tom Brady that was, you know, okay college quarterback. You can say good, but he wasn't a great college quarterback.

Speaker 2 And then he just continues to go like this because he gets better and he gets better and he gets better. And I say that every year.

Speaker 2 Like every college quarterback that comes into the NFL is going to have to get better. They are going to have to be better in the NFL than they were in college.
So you can be great in college.

Speaker 2 That's not good enough to be great in the NFL. So that's the first thing is we're not ever going to know until they're under center and whether they can do it.

Speaker 2 But the one thing that I would focus on is kind of the things that I'm talking about. I would sit in a room with them and give them a play and ask them why.

Speaker 2 Why would you read it here? What would you be looking at? Where would your eyes go if they gave you this coverage? Because that's what I want to know is I want to know how they think the game.

Speaker 2 Now, that doesn't mean, you know, because Matt, you know this as well as me. I've been with some quarterbacks that you put them on a board and you ask them that.

Speaker 2 and they sound like a genius and they can give you, you know, if you give them three minutes, they can give you every scenario.

Speaker 2 But the bottom line is I need you to give me every scenario in four seconds.

Speaker 2 Like when it really comes down to it, you've got to do all the stuff you just told me and be able to see it and process it in four or five seconds. And that's the thing that's such an unknown.

Speaker 2 And why when we see a Jaden Daniels, we're all blown away because it's like, my gosh, you know, it seems like the game's slow for him.

Speaker 2 Like he sees everything and he can make every throw and he's so poised. And that's because the mind is working as fast as it needs to work.

Speaker 2 And that's where I think it's so hard to assess these quarterbacks because A, the game is so different, right? I watched college and I like, I don't know how this is going to translate.

Speaker 2 Like they're not going to be doing any of this stuff in the NFL.

Speaker 4 So I don't know.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, I don't get a chance to sit down and talk to most of them. But that's what I would be doing is I would at least try to see if they could fully understand how to simplify the game.

Speaker 2 understand what they're looking for, have been taught from that perspective to a degree where I felt like, okay, the physical and the mental are both there.

Speaker 2 Now I need to take it and hone it and get them to the next level.

Speaker 1 Kurt, can you imagine just running an RPO?

Speaker 1 Me and you in practice, just an RPO and keep it and the defensive end goes down. I mean, it's, yeah, so it's,

Speaker 2 I, I know, like, because I actually ran some in arena football, but it was simplified. But for me and you, it would be, we're throwing the ball.

Speaker 1 Like, dude, when you used to run in Arizona, we were like, oh, get down, dude.

Speaker 4 Oh, me too. But like, both of us.
Oh, I know. I know what I was thinking.
Like, what is it?

Speaker 1 Well, I was a little, I was a little faster than you, but when you would take off and run, we would be like, oh, God, just get down, dude.

Speaker 4 Just don't get down.

Speaker 2 You know, the funny thing is, Matt, is like, we played basketball.

Speaker 1 We played other, like, I told Jerry you were a hell of a basketball.

Speaker 3 He told me you were, you're, of course, good at basketball.

Speaker 4 You're a really good athlete. You're a great athlete.

Speaker 2 The weird thing is when I got on the football field, it was like my mind told me, you're not an athlete anymore. Your job is to read the defense and throw the football.

Speaker 2 Like, and so even when I would run, Matt, I'm like, what am I? I felt like I was a, you know, a fawn, like a deer. Like, what am I doing? I'm so out of sorts.

Speaker 4 It just, it felt weird for me too.

Speaker 2 And, um, and it was so much of the mindset where it's like, that's not my job. You know, my job is not to try to do that.
Catch throw, get the ball to the guys that actually can run.

Speaker 2 But you're exactly right. You were saying, what you were seeing on the sideline is what I was thinking in my mind.
Like, what are you doing? Go down. You know, hopefully you can get three yards.

Speaker 1 but my kids laugh about it all the time too like dad what are you doing you're so slow i know i felt well i used to i used to always tell everybody like like and again this is like going back like you're a hall of famer right so you have the last laugh but it's like you know like I didn't have the greatest arm.

Speaker 1 I was like, you know, he doesn't have the greatest arm. It doesn't, it doesn't come out pretty all the time.
He can't run. But my God, that, that dude,

Speaker 1 he will place the ball wherever he needs. And he's the smartest dude I've ever been around.

Speaker 2 You know, know that that's that's and that's that was you and i mean that was that's what you were the best at and now you got to go jack it you got to try to figure out right yeah is that what's your strength and i couldn't do everything but what could i do and let's become the best at what we can do and and so when i do work with young quarterbacks that's the first thing i ask them is like we all want to believe hey you know i can be patrick mahomes and i can throw all the and it's like at some point it's like i can't i can't do that i can't run can't throw it like that so if you want to separate yourself what can you do right and that was and i knew that and i understood that so i got to become really good at processing i got to be accurate with the football i got to have a quick release like those are the things that that i knew i had to do so those are the things i worked on i didn't i didn't spend time like we're laughing about the fact that i didn't run i didn't spend time doing that like i didn't spend time in the offseason trying to get faster like it's not worth it it's not gonna it's not gonna do me any good Let's focus on the things you're good at.

Speaker 3 You know, I, I, I like flinched earlier in the year when the Saints won their first first two games. Someone tried to reference, like, the Saints team's really fun.

Speaker 3 They, they have like potential to be, you know, a great turf team. I heard like just great and turf in the same sentence, and I like recoiled.
You're not allowed to say that.

Speaker 3 And obviously, it has not panned out that way.

Speaker 3 And we referenced it earlier, but for me, and you know, I'm a Giants fan, but watching you and the Rams and the greatest show on turf, you guys made it look so easy.

Speaker 3 Obviously, I know it's not easy, but as a fan, it just looked like you could get whatever you want, whenever you wanted.

Speaker 3 Looking back on that, what would you say to me when you're thinking what made that offense work so well? Because I know it's not one thing.

Speaker 3 What to you, if you had to sum it up in a few, one or two things, like what just made that offense so effortlessly efficient and great to watch?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, let's start with the fact that we were talented.

Speaker 4 Right. You know, you got to start

Speaker 2 talent all over the place.

Speaker 2 You know, I always say this for quarterbacks too, and Matt will know this. Like he was in a couple of different, the system fit me perfectly.

Speaker 4 Like

Speaker 2 what I did well was throw the ball down the field. Like that's where I could really separate myself was kind of that what we call chunk throws, right?

Speaker 2 15 to 35 yards down the field, like, you know, making those throws. And so the offense was built that way.
Like this offense that we see now in the NFL, like, hey, you're five yards.

Speaker 2 Like, I would know we, we were going to attack you and we were going to threaten you and we were going to put the fear of God in you on every play.

Speaker 2 You know, the way that we played, we had a coach that had the same mentality, right? And so, you know, we talk a lot about interceptions in this NFL. I could care less if I threw an interception.

Speaker 4 Love that.

Speaker 2 My mindset was my coach is going to give me shots to make plays. I'm going to make a mistake

Speaker 2 here or there. Like, that's going to happen.
But I promise you, I'm going to make more plays than I'm going to make mistakes.

Speaker 2 And those plays that we make are going to be touchdowns because we're going to attack down down the field. So that was our mentality.
So it was aggressive, attack, attack, attack.

Speaker 1 I think you've said this before, Marshall Falk.

Speaker 1 And I'm actually curious, and we both play with Larry, who I think Larry is,

Speaker 1 I almost don't think he gets enough credit for what he did in his career as one of the best to ever do it. I think you've said Marshall Falk is the best football player you've ever played with.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Like just elaborate on that and just how great. You know, like we see Christian McCaffrey and some of these guys now and how good that Marshall was the original guy.

Speaker 1 And then Larry, like, you know, we both know Larry a little bit. Like, he's a, he's a goof, but he, but he was as good as they come.
Like, those two guys are right up there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, I was looking at something recently.

Speaker 2 And so in 99, you know, I won the MVP in 99, but you look at Marshall's stats and he had a thousand plus rush yards, a thousand plus pass yards that year, and you're just like, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 But I say that because there was nothing that Marshall couldn't do, first of all, you know, just physically. Like, he was

Speaker 2 the prototypical three-down back. Like, if you needed, if you were in third and one and you needed a power run to be made, give it to Marshall.

Speaker 2 If you needed to run a toss where he needed the speed to get outside, give it to Marshall.

Speaker 2 If you're going to throw the ball in third down and he had to pick up a blitzing linebacker in the A gap, put in Marshall.

Speaker 2 Like if you wanted to put him out wide and have him run a wide receiver route,

Speaker 2 I mean, we ran everything with Marshall. We ran skinny posts in the red zone.
We ran slanting goes, double move. Like there was nothing he couldn't do.

Speaker 2 And so no disrespect to Christian McCaffrey, who I think is one of the most versatile backs in the league. He can't do what Marshall could do.

Speaker 2 He can't run routes and do those things like Marshall could do. And then Larry,

Speaker 2 you know, I agree with you that I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. And, you know, a big part of that is he played in Arizona.

Speaker 2 You know, when both of us got there, Arizona had never won anything. Nobody expected us to win anything.
We were never on primetime TV. Like nobody ever saw Larry play.

Speaker 2 So he went four or five years of his career without anybody ever seeing him play. And then finally, we make that Super Bowl run and everybody goes, oh, Larry's pretty good.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, that's all these ready. They're like, oh, my gosh.
You know, I'd heard about this guy, but I'd never seen him.

Speaker 2 And again, you know, it's different because I used to say this when I was in or when I was in St. Louis, being open was about space.

Speaker 2 Like when I could see space between Torrey Hold and Isaac Bruce and the defender, it was like, oh, those guys are open. Being open for Larry Fitzgerald was not about space.

Speaker 2 So when I got there, I remember Josh McCowan saying, oh, no, that's open. And I'm like, what do you mean it's open?

Speaker 2 The guy's like, you know, Belcro on his back, but he's like, trust me, throw it to his outside number. That's open because he will catch it and nobody will be able to get to the football.

Speaker 2 So you had to realize how he played the game was different. But his understanding of spacing, like, I've never seen anybody able to track the football.

Speaker 1 And he was incredible.

Speaker 2 Uh, like Larry, that made the, you know, the difficult look routine every single day.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I always look at it like as the game changes, and you discussed how different it is now. But what would those guys be like today?

Speaker 4 What would Marshall Falls be like in the NFL now? What would Larry would dominate?

Speaker 1 I think they would dominate.

Speaker 3 I think there's several teams right now that would want to put a jersey on Fitz and just say, give us what you got. Even if you're not in that shape, let's try it.

Speaker 3 I'm going to set the table for a second and I might just get out of the way.

Speaker 3 Well, look, I was super excited as a Giants fan when you came there. And then, you know, Eli's there and that whole thing.
And then you go to Arizona in 05.

Speaker 3 And then shortly after that, another young punk named Matt Leiner comes in. This young punk, I get to call him that now that I know him.

Speaker 3 And I just think it's cool seeing you two after all these years together and talking because it was a magical run that you guys were both on.

Speaker 4 So just let's be honest, dude, did you hate it?

Speaker 1 You hated me when we got drafted.

Speaker 4 It's funny.

Speaker 2 I hated that we drafted him.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 I did not hate Matt in any part of the process. And here's the thing is that

Speaker 2 what I came to realize over the course of my career is that we all just want to play. And I'm not, you know, like, so ultimately when I got benched and Matt took over, yeah, did I want to be playing?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Did I feel like I was the better quarterback at the time? Yeah.
But was I mad at Matt for going in and trying to seize the opportunity and excel?

Speaker 2 Absolutely not, because everybody would do the same thing. And that to me, you know, I used to hear about these quarterback rooms where guys didn't talk to each other.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it was me against Matt. And it was, you know, I don't like him because he's trying to take.

Speaker 2 And I always just. you know, thought to myself, I just want to be in a situation where the best guy would plays.
Like, just make it a fair competition. If Matt's better than me, then he should play.

Speaker 2 And I'm not going to be mad at him for that. If I'm better than Matt, then I should, that's all I ever wanted in the NFL was that kind of situation.
And so I never looked at it personally, right?

Speaker 2 You know, even though, you know, again, you did want to play. And, you know, and I'll even say that we all have human nature too.

Speaker 2 And so you got to fight that when Matt's playing and I want to be playing to not, you know, hope Matt throws an interception. So I like

Speaker 2 at the end of the day, you know, when I sign on the dotted line to be a part of a team, I sign on the dotted line to be the best teammate that I can be, to be the best for that team that I can be, not just when I'm starting and not just when everything goes my direction, but if I end up finding myself on the bench, then I need to be the best teammate for Matt to help him succeed.

Speaker 2 And I couldn't be mad at him for trying to do exactly what I would have done in the same situation.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, if I got put in, I'm going to try to succeed and never let Matt get on the field either. Like,

Speaker 1 which is what you did which is what you did

Speaker 2 and so which is what you did to hold that against somebody is is ridiculous and so um so i never tried to take that approach but yeah i mean i didn't want us to draft somebody because i i wanted to play and felt like i could still play um but i think the beautiful part too was we were able to coexist yeah you know matt wanted to play and and you know i go back to the first year when he did play and We lost so many stupid, crazy games because Matt played really well over that period of time, but we lost like 10 straight games or something like that Chicago game.

Speaker 2 You know, they are who we thought.

Speaker 1 Kansas City the week before. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, 400 yards in a game. Like you played really well, but we weren't very good.
Like, that's the other thing that's hard for people to understand is like still a team.

Speaker 2 We weren't very good in Arizona. And so, you know, you could play well as a quarterback, but.

Speaker 2 That didn't correlate to wins a lot of times because we weren't built the right way and we didn't have those pieces.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, that was the bummer for Matt because he had such a really good rookie year where it was like, you know, this kid's going to be going to be good.

Speaker 2 And then obviously it played out with the competition. And I, you know, actually, he played in 07 before you got hurt.

Speaker 2 And then once you got hurt, I played really well down in 07 and then it became the competition from there. But,

Speaker 2 you know, but that's, you know, again, it works out for me. So it's obviously a huge blessing for me.

Speaker 2 But I think it was a bummer for Matt because I saw the potential in what he had done early in his career and then all of a sudden boom it stops and and you know he's got to sit back and watch for three years and again you can you can benefit from sitting back and learning and doing that stuff but you're also missing time if you can be successful to kind of get your career going you know in the right direction i would say before we let you go ker we appreciate time just in response to that i i get it's crazy man because i get asked all the time and you know i've been labeled a certain way and it honestly doesn't bother me because I do believe everything that happened got me to where I am now.

Speaker 1 And I love what I'm doing and all these things. I, I, gosh, I go back and I think about the rookie year and I'm like, gosh, what if, what if we make, what if we win those first two games?

Speaker 1 Or what if I don't, you know, hurt my AC joint that last game? There's, you know, what ifs. There's always what ifs.
And it's so interesting because you and I were so different. Um,

Speaker 1 like with your background, with my background. And after those first couple years, it was the first few years were really difficult for me.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, the pictures came out and all this bullshit that was like, man, like, I really want to play. How am I? I didn't know how to be.

Speaker 1 I tell everybody, I'm like, I didn't know how to be a professional at the time. I knew I wanted to.
I knew that I thought I had enough talent for sure.

Speaker 1 And it just didn't work. And I really, I say this to everybody, like I really enjoyed.

Speaker 1 when there I felt less pressure on me when you took over. I really enjoyed those years with you because I really felt like I learned a lot more from you then because I I was like, this is Kurt's team.

Speaker 1 For me to prolong my career,

Speaker 1 I need to look at what is Kurt doing? We didn't have the same game. How does he prepare? All of these things.
And I really believe that helped me when I got to Houston.

Speaker 1 And again, that system fit me with what they did with Kubiak and Shanahan and all of that. That's more what I just felt I could thrive in.

Speaker 1 And honestly, before I got hurt again, I felt the best I've ever felt. But you were really a big part of that.
Like early on, it was tough on me.

Speaker 1 And then those last two years, like, I saw what it was like to be a professional quarterback and a Hall of Fame quarterback. If I want to do anything in this league, this is how you prepare.

Speaker 1 This is how you hold those film meetings. This is how you talk to the receivers.
This is how you lead a football team.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Jerry was asked, like, do you guys cross paths and talk? I'm like, me and Kurt, man, if we saw each other tomorrow, we'd hug it out and talk and tell stories and tell talk shit.

Speaker 1 And we used to hoop and all those things.

Speaker 1 But it's, it's so good to see you, man, on, on this video. And you're crushing, dude.
You're doing great. And also, too,

Speaker 1 we're both like our kids are all grown up. And just to see that part, like it's just, it's awesome to see our kids playing college ball.
And my son's going to play college ball, which is crazy. So

Speaker 5 I love you, buddy.

Speaker 1 It was, it was tough at the time, but I appreciate what you did for me in my career for sure.

Speaker 2 Well, I appreciate you saying that. And I think it's a great point because, you know, I reach out to a lot of young guys now and very few guys ever really respond or get back to me.

Speaker 2 And one thing that I always say, and I think it speaks directly to your point, is most of us don't know what we don't know.

Speaker 2 And what I mean by that is so many guys come in, kind of like yourself, very talented, had great success in college, and you think, like, I got this, like, like, I know, you know, I know what I need to do, I know enough to be able to thrive,

Speaker 2 but you don't know what you don't know. And so, being able to sit back and go, oh, oh, oh, this is what it

Speaker 2 or I could do this, or, or this is how Kurt looks at it, because no one's ever taught me to look at it like that.

Speaker 2 And even if you don't end up, you know, taking that on as a part of your personality, it's giving you perspective on how the whole thing works and how other guys do things.

Speaker 2 And that's the thing that disappoints me so much with the young guys now. And again, I know they have a million things going on.

Speaker 2 And I know they don't have to call me and listen to me, but I wish they would.

Speaker 2 And I wish coaches would simply to challenge where you're at, challenge what you know, challenge what you're doing, challenge why you think what you think.

Speaker 2 Maybe there's a different perspective, right? So that's what I'm always trying to do is I always want to hear and learn.

Speaker 2 Like I'm very convicted in what I believe, but tell me why you believe something else and let me challenge that.

Speaker 2 Because then if I can challenge that, it either A, makes me more convicted in what I believe, or B, it opens myself up to, wow, never thought about that before.

Speaker 2 Like Like nobody ever taught me that before.

Speaker 2 And so I appreciate you saying that because I think it is so true with a lot of these guys is that when I talk about surviving, they're just going out there and doing the best they can do with what they know.

Speaker 2 And now you give them a chance to step back and learn and realize, man, there's more to it. Oh, man, I could make this game easier if I just saw it this way.

Speaker 3 Well, I know we got to let you go because you're hopping the flight. You're off to Germany.
Two players, I think, that should call you.

Speaker 3 Daniel Jones, Bryce Young, the man's going to be calling the game. You're going to get me through this game, Mr.
Warner.

Speaker 4 I will get you through it. I'm going to try to.
Let me just start with this. Let me just start with this: that I know, and

Speaker 2 I'm not going to sit here and say that, you know, I believe Daniel Jones should be, you know, paid as one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

Speaker 2 But after the first game of the year this year, I actually think Daniel Jones has played pretty good football

Speaker 2 this year. It's a tough situation.
They're still trying to figure things out, but he's actually played pretty good football.

Speaker 2 If they can build a team around him, again, I don't know if he'll ever be one of the best in the league, but I believe he's better than a lot of people.

Speaker 2 You know, when you look at every down, every snap, every decision, better than a lot of people are saying that he is. So hopefully I'll get a chance to express that.
But so don't go crazy.

Speaker 2 They got work to do in New York without a doubt.

Speaker 2 But I like the way Daniel's been playing the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 He's already gone crazy.

Speaker 3 Can't thank you you enough, Kurt.

Speaker 1 I appreciate you, man. Really appreciate you.

Speaker 2 Great to be on with you. I look forward to doing it again.

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Speaker 3 All right, coming back. And I just want to point out really quick too, Kurt Warner was very gracious with his time.
He went a little long with the interview.

Speaker 3 So if you want to go to our YouTube page, the full video and the full interview will be up on there.

Speaker 3 Might be some things that we leave out of this episode that can live on their own. So go check that out.

Speaker 4 But Matt, I mean, I really do think young players should call Kurt, right?

Speaker 3 I would call Kurt if I was a young player and just heard that.

Speaker 1 He's just, he's so, he's so, he's, one, he's a gold jacket. He's one of the best to ever do it.

Speaker 1 He's so knowledgeable, you know, and the way he, the way he sees the game, the position is just so unique. And it's such a different game now.

Speaker 1 So like, I would encourage any young quarterback, gosh, it could be high school, whatever, just he loves talking to kids. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so if you have, if you have people like that at your disposal, reach out and just learn something.

Speaker 1 It could, it it could help you man and um great memory too because i also thought he brought me back in time and he really if you go back and even look at your situation yeah i just thought the way he remembered it so specifically in detail and i think it lined up for you the same way right it's yeah it's cool because people you know like like those are quarterback battles and everybody wants to know like what's it what's it like in the quarterback room and you know do you like each other do you hate each other like kurt and i genuinely got along and we we genuinely and I, and I said that, like, the second half of my four-year career there, we became a lot closer because it was kind of solidified.

Speaker 1 And I just realized, like, hey, I got to learn. I got to learn from this guy.
And he, he helped me a lot. The first couple of years, it was battling and this.

Speaker 3 You would lighten it up, man.

Speaker 4 You would have to do it. You would lighten it up, man.

Speaker 1 People, babe, people, people forget, but it's okay. You know, it didn't work out the way.
But

Speaker 1 he's incredible, man. His mind is incredible for the game and the quarterback play.
And it was, it was good to see him. Good to see him in his white beard.
That's for sure.

Speaker 3 He's ready for Christmas.

Speaker 3 All right. Uh, I teased an earlier throwback three.
I realize I don't actually tell the audience what the topic's going to be, but this week it's Matt's turn.

Speaker 4 This one is fired. This, this one has been hard for me.

Speaker 3 I'm patting myself on the back. Do you want to do you want to let everyone know? Let's see.

Speaker 1 So, we're going, we're going. Uh, we're going last week.
We did our, you know, Halloween candy, and I got crucified for that with candy corn. That's fine.

Speaker 4 We don't need to move on.

Speaker 1 Uh, top three fictional sport characters in movies. All right.
So,

Speaker 1 if you think about that, right? You think about some of these great characters in all-time sports. I mean, there's a thousand, dude.

Speaker 4 Yes. A thousand.

Speaker 3 Okay. I have a list of 20.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I'm going to start with my number three.

Speaker 1 This one was hard,

Speaker 1 but it's maybe my favorite top two sports movie of all time, Billy Hayes.

Speaker 1 Billy Hayes from White Men Can't Jump.

Speaker 4 Sure, Billy Ho.

Speaker 4 Billy Ho.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just like, the movie's so great.
He and Wesley Snipes are phenomenal. The storyline's great.
He's just like, you know, he's a hustler. Like, it's all those things.

Speaker 1 I just think his, like, it's, it's, it's, it's an all-time basketball movie. And both of those guys, Sydney, Sydney, like, they're, they're both incredible characters.
So I'm going with Billy Ho.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 4 Billy Hoyle. Billy Hoyle.
Billy Hoyle.

Speaker 3 So, but for you, I wonder, because you're tall and athletic and you played basketball at a high level in high school, you never walked onto a court where you were able to be like, all right,

Speaker 3 we'll take

Speaker 3 everyone knew you were good, right?

Speaker 1 Well, you're just saying because I was white.

Speaker 4 That's why I was.

Speaker 3 I'm saying you're unrelatable to Billy Hoyle.

Speaker 3 I am way more Billy Hoyle than you.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're not unsuspecting.

Speaker 4 What I'm saying is you're not unsuspecting.

Speaker 1 Like, I've never walked on a court and been like, they look at me like I'm a chump, like, basically with it. Like me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like you.

Speaker 4 Okay. Well, your game is still debatable.

Speaker 1 We're going to find that out pretty soon. But okay, Billy Hoyle.
I'm going Billy Hoyle, White Man Can't Jump. Number three, what's your three?

Speaker 3 Okay, my number three easily could have been number one, but this is tough. But I'm just, we leave out the obvious all the time because you want to try to make it eclectic.

Speaker 4 But I have to, it's Rocky Balboa. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Easily could be number one.

Speaker 3 One of the best fictional characters that you almost, he really is not even fictional at this point. You believe he's not a fan of the future.

Speaker 4 You believe he was like, yeah, all those fights were real.

Speaker 3 We crushed statues with Dwayne Wade last week and all that stuff. You know what statue was made correctly? The Rocky Balboa statue by the steps with his arms up.
That's a perfect statue.

Speaker 3 And also, fun little thing. I like to play these games with movies.
So we know Rocky won. He loses to Apollo in a, you know, a split decision, 12-round thing.

Speaker 3 And then going in, so he's a pretty big heavy underdog, but he proved himself. Going into Rocky II, the rematch with Apollo Creed, I asked my guy, John Ewing.

Speaker 3 If you don't follow John Ewing on Twitter, you should. Does great stuff with betting.

Speaker 3 I asked him, what do you think, just make a guess, what Rocky's odds would have been in that rematch fight against Apollo Creed? Do you care to venture a guess or do you want me to just tell you?

Speaker 4 What do you think Apollo and Rocky? Okay. So this is the rematch.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He said public definitely on the underdog.
So the line might have moved on. He likes 75% of the bets on Rocky plus 500.

Speaker 4 Plus 500.

Speaker 3 But 90% of the money on Creed. And he had Apollo Creed as minus 700 favorites.

Speaker 1 Minus 700?

Speaker 3 So think about that. A couple of guys laying big money knowing Apollo is going to win again, minus 700.

Speaker 4 You just lose it.

Speaker 3 I don't even know if that's Buster Douglas Tyson level upset, but it's got to be up there.

Speaker 1 Dude, you can't bet against Rocky Balboa. We know how this game, we know how this movie ends.

Speaker 3 I don't know. You would have said the narrative would have been Apollo didn't take him seriously.
In the the first fight, he's going to train harder.

Speaker 3 We're going to really see why Apollo Creed's the goat. And he's going to, Rocky's not going to make it three rounds.

Speaker 4 Rocky 4,

Speaker 1 arguably one of the greatest movies of all time.

Speaker 3 Bigger underdog, though, against Drago?

Speaker 4 By far.

Speaker 1 Ivan Drago. Did you see the way he worked out in that magic? Juiced up, steroid, juiced up, machines.

Speaker 1 The dude, like, like, he, what, what did Rocky like he said?

Speaker 4 Oh, Rocky was the champ at that point.

Speaker 3 Maybe you can make the case Rocky's a little bit older. He took a lot of shots.

Speaker 1 Or you look at Ivan Drago, who's 6'5 ⁇ . It looks like a machine in Rockies, 5'7.

Speaker 1 I like that one. Okay,

Speaker 1 I'm going number two here.

Speaker 4 Number two.

Speaker 1 Happy Gilmore.

Speaker 1 Good one. Adam Sandler's Happy Gilmore.

Speaker 1 Shooter McGavin, great character, by the way, as well. Could be a little bit of a villain.

Speaker 1 Great movie. Apollo Creed in that movie as well.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's right. That's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What was his name? He had Chubbs.

Speaker 3 Talking about Chubb.

Speaker 1 Chubbs.

Speaker 3 I mean, so good. They're finally making a part two.
That's how you grow.

Speaker 1 You have a good fictional great Bob Barker cameo. I mean, just a great movie.
I mean, Abby Gilmore is awesome, man.

Speaker 3 So my putter head cover, you know, us golfers, we love our head covers and our gear. My putter head cover is the price is right logo, but the line on it says the price is wrong, bitch.

Speaker 3 That's my, that's what I have on my.

Speaker 1 I'm going Abby Gilmore number two.

Speaker 3 I just, anytime that movie's on man I'm I'm I'm glued to the TV I am going and I I could have put numerous characters from this movie it's my favorite football movie of all time I think it's the best football movie ever made so if I but I have to pick one I'm gonna just give you the guy that I always think of first it's Lattimore from the program I mean, first of all, the program ahead of its time.

Speaker 3 I'm old enough to remember going to the theater.

Speaker 3 And kids, if you like the program, there was a scene cut out of the program famously where I believe Joe Cain, probably intoxicated, leads the team to do this laying down game of chicken on the highway.

Speaker 3 They pull, I think it was Disney, pulled the movie, edited it out because they didn't like what it said to kids, and then put it back in the theaters.

Speaker 3 I saw the original scene in theaters, but everyone's so quotable in that movie. But Marcus Lattimore juiced up, just

Speaker 1 Alvin Mack,

Speaker 1 I think people need to understand.

Speaker 1 I talk about this movie all the time. It is one of those movies that you could watch today and 18-year-old kids would be like, that was a great movie.

Speaker 1 People forget about how great a young Halley Berry, right?

Speaker 4 Young Halley was.

Speaker 3 You can make the case Darnell Jefferson. I mean, he gets

Speaker 3 to get the ball.

Speaker 4 He can tell that job and he gets Holly Berry at the end.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he starts a little tutoring and

Speaker 1 he steals the starting running backs girl. Like, it was, it was awesome.

Speaker 4 All right, real quick.

Speaker 3 So, you are on one of, if not the most famous college football team of all time. How do you put the program, though, up as just a, okay,

Speaker 3 college football life? Now, it's a little before your time. You weren't in college yet, but, you know, like Darnell Jefferson carrying around the football and the entire team

Speaker 4 to poke it out during class. By the way,

Speaker 1 I think Pete Carroll was inspired. This is a true story.
Pete Carroll, I got to make this brief. Pete Carroll's,

Speaker 1 his whole thing was mantra was the ball, the ball, protect the ball, protect the ball. If you protect the ball, we win.

Speaker 1 Defense, if you get the ball we win right that was like it so my i was his first recruiting class we had a ball the normal ball and he said at any point during training camp you need to present the ball to me obviously he would be like hey matt and i was a quarterback so i was tasked with being the leader so basically what he was doing is like the whole freshman class would get together we would hide it we would protect it we would carry it around and the rest of the team it was fair game i love that like the like the program like the program rip it out you could hold it so dude we would hide it up in the rafters of a ceiling.

Speaker 1 We would do all these things. But basically, he was forcing us to work as a team and like work together as a team.

Speaker 1 But I promise you that he got that from the program because of when he rocks, you know, they he fumbles in the class and everyone's there and he jumps and he has it.

Speaker 1 Like that's what we used to do at USC.

Speaker 3 So also James Kahn, underrated coach. I thought he did a good job as the coach.
I never heard the snot bubbles thing before or after

Speaker 4 they hit him so hard. He hit Snot bubbles.

Speaker 3 That's a real thing.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 3 well, that's my number two, but it's going to have been many characters from that. Great movie.
Great movie. All right.
Number one.

Speaker 1 Number one, my all-time favorite sports movie, my all-time, probably top three movie general, no matter what the genre is, Major League.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of characters in Major League, but I'm going with Ricky Wild Thang Bon.

Speaker 4 Wild thing.

Speaker 1 Ricky, you want Bond? Like, and also, we were talking about this, like,

Speaker 1 the most quotable movie of all time, one of them.

Speaker 1 Ricky Wild Thang Vaughn, one of my favorite characters, just a badass, just, you know, gets all the ladies, comes out of the bullpen to Wild Thing, has the hair, the glasses, you know, talking about

Speaker 1 hooking up with Dorne's wife.

Speaker 4 He didn't, you know, like, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 I love that scene. I didn't know.
It's the greatest scene.

Speaker 4 How do you not know that your teammates won't be? By the way, how do you not know that?

Speaker 1 They made like, because it was Ricky Vaughn. He didn't care.
They made like three or four major leagues. They didn't do it justice.
The original major league is the greatest sports movie of all time.

Speaker 1 And I will say that. We're going to do a throwback three sports movie, and that's going to be my throwback three.

Speaker 3 And it's so interesting, too, because like, obviously, they're no longer the Cleveland Indians. So now there's like time capsule element.
It's like there will be kids maybe 20 years from now.

Speaker 3 I'll be like, wait, they were called the Cleveland Indians and they had a chief Wahoo logo.

Speaker 1 So when the Indians or when the Guardians hit that home run against the Yankees, all over social media was when Serrano, Pedro Serrano hit that, and it was like they were doing all these flashbacks of both.

Speaker 1 It was awesome.

Speaker 3 I think once a month at some point, and it's usually on the golf course, I say, well. If you don't do it, fuck you, Jobu.
I do it myself. That's one of my favorite sports.
Fuck you, Jobu.

Speaker 1 One of the best quotable movies of all time. All right, buddy.
Who do you got, man?

Speaker 3 All right. This was tough.
Too many to leave off.

Speaker 3 I have to unlock the inner throwback kid in me. Mine is Benny the Jet Rodriguez.
The Sandlot was such an impactful movie for me. I tried to show it to my kids.
They're not quite interested yet.

Speaker 3 But I will say the thing I didn't appreciate about Halloween last week, right after the Dodgers' victory over the Yankees, I'm with my kids walking, and I started seeing like three or four kids with Dodger jerseys on.

Speaker 3 This is in Cleveland in a suburb.

Speaker 3 like what the hell is going benny the jet rodriguez jerseys that's who they were for halloween so there was an extra little knife dig for me so good with that win but yeah it's it's a perfect movie that movie makes it really is try to think about okay i don't think we're going to get many sports movies anymore i think documentaries we have a we they'll will go on forever but scripted stuff

Speaker 3 The only world I see it, though, is for kids, like sandlot, nostalgic type sports movies.

Speaker 3 But Benny the Jet, man, when he put on the flyers, that that was one of the biggest moments in movie history for me. I have one honorable mention.
Do you have any honorable mention?

Speaker 3 Like, who was close to making your cut?

Speaker 1 Honestly,

Speaker 1 Willie Mays Hayes from Major League was close.

Speaker 1 Danny LaRusso from Crowley.

Speaker 3 That was my

Speaker 4 off the beaten path one. Would have been a body bag, Johnny.

Speaker 3 Like, I guess it's an Karate's certainly. You have to be an athlete.
So that was my one. I wanted to make sure I just mentioned, but didn't make my listeners.

Speaker 1 Ricky Bobby was pretty close. Just more fun, like, but yeah, I mean, there's so many, man.

Speaker 3 So many. Well,

Speaker 1 I had

Speaker 1 some of the Mighty Ducks guys, Gordon Bombay.

Speaker 4 I had Young Blood.

Speaker 4 Young Blood. Young Blood is.
Young Blood is crazy. Young Blood is crazy.
Young Blood. I haven't heard Young Blood.

Speaker 3 Young, go re-watch. Take it on the plane with you when you go for Big New and go watch it.

Speaker 1 I'm making that note right now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And, of course, let us know yours. We'll put it up on social, but for us, it's at Throwback Show on all social platforms.
Let us know your top three fictional sports movie characters.

Speaker 3 You got Matt's, you got mine.

Speaker 3 Hell of a show, buddy. Hell of a show.
We're in November.

Speaker 4 We have a couple of weeks till the tree comes out.

Speaker 3 But yeah, thanks everybody for listening. We'll be back next week.

Speaker 4 Peace.