The Godfather of LA Nightlife Joins! PLUS Matt’s USC Commitment & Great Sports Foursomes

Speaker 1 I basically do Super Bowl every year at Bob Downey's house. Bob Downey don't really care about sports, but he loves a good function.
He loves that, like, Super Bowl has become this thing.

Speaker 1 It's essentially my Super Bowl party at Bob's house. Bob don't care.
I remember once we went to a Laker game.

Speaker 1 We're walking into warm-ups at the forum, and Downey looks at me and goes, What city are the Woolridges from?

Speaker 1 What city are the Woolridges from?

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You know, I'm just, I'm dabbling over here with some of the future merch for throwbacks. Don't you, don't you worry, buddy.

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Speaker 1 I gotta say, I didn't know fashion design was part of your many, many abilities.

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Speaker 1 we got a good one for you for you all today it's it's so

Speaker 1 i'm curious to hear your no i'm curious to hear your setup because i think the person we have on today has meant

Speaker 1 a bunch of different things to us over the years. You're a little bit tighter with him than I was, but I certainly knew him from my 20 years in LA.
We have on a guest, goes by the name Josh Richmond.

Speaker 1 And how do you want to tee him up for our listening audience? Because this is sports related as well. This is not just outside of sports per yeah.

Speaker 2 So there, there's a lot of,

Speaker 2 I mean, people are going to listen to the interview. It's, it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 I, Josh, and you know this, Josh is one of the more fascinating, I think, human beings I've ever met because of his stories, because of his upbringing, because of the world he lived in and lives in and the people he knows and all of those things, which everyone's going to be like, I think people are going to really love this.

Speaker 2 For me personally, yeah, there's a lot of layers to it. I think the long of the short is

Speaker 2 Josh really

Speaker 2 ran, continues to run, is the godfather of Hollywood nightlife. Yes.
And however you want to define that, but he is the godfather. He is, he was the man.

Speaker 2 I say was because obviously he's, you know, he's still in it, but like not in the heyday, right? In the 80s, 90s, 2000s.

Speaker 2 He ran it. He was the guy everywhere you went to, the best club in Hollywood, the who's who, the parties, this and that.
If you knew Josh, you were good, right? And you could get in.

Speaker 2 But if you like, he was the guy. So,

Speaker 2 and everybody who's going to listen, who knows, who follows us, knows what we're talking about. Like, yeah, man, like Josh is the dude.
So that being said, I met Josh.

Speaker 2 All that being said, too, he is a, he's a USC Trojan. His dad, who he'll talk about, was the SID, the sports information director for USC.
I don't know the years.

Speaker 1 Sounds like a Secret Service job. Yeah, it's like

Speaker 2 in charge of the media, sports meeting, all that kind of stuff. So Josh is like a Trojan through and through.
Like he was, he's a diehard still to this day, probably more than me.

Speaker 2 And he'd tell you that.

Speaker 2 So when I was there, I met Josh kind of going out in the scene early on. Like, hey, this is the guy you need to meet.
But it wasn't one of those where,

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 I, like, he got me in, but I had to do something for him. Like, it became a real friendship.
And I think that's what I value most. And we talk about it.

Speaker 2 He, he was at my mom's funeral, man. He was at the service.
Like, he, he's been there for me. We've vacationed together.

Speaker 2 We've done all sorts of stuff together, good times, bad times, a lot of deep conversations. He's gone through a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, I got to know Josh, obviously, once Entourage got started.
We filmed a lot. in clubs and stuff all spread out through LA.

Speaker 1 The thing that always stuck out to me about Josh, first of all, like he did not play around, meaning like you could joke around with him, he's a fun guy, but like it wasn't all fun and games.

Speaker 1 And he talks about it in the interview. Like that was work for him when he was out there in the clubs at night.
He was working and he was just a trustworthy dude.

Speaker 1 Like he did not prey on people, which a lot of times in that world, you see, like you said, oh, I'll show up here and then you're going to do something for me. It's like this barter.

Speaker 1 And I don't think Josh ever really rolled like that. I think he like not protected people.
He looked out for you, certainly, when you were young and going out.

Speaker 2 I would say this, like I, I was, you know, I was, gosh, I mean, it was a fishbowl at USC. And in my peak, right, my junior year, my senior year,

Speaker 2 I had, oh, my gosh, like. I mean, and you had you, I'm sure you had it too, to an extent with entourage.
Like anywhere, like people wanted a piece of me everywhere I went.

Speaker 2 They wanted to take advantage. I mean, I had friends like that.
You know, your circle becomes a lot smaller as you get away.

Speaker 1 Bad entourage. And Josh.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And Josh, there was always a narrative around him because, like, hey, who's this club guy? You know, is he shady? Is he this? And I'll tell you this. And we talk about this.
And

Speaker 2 my mom was the biggest test for friends and people in my life. Like, she could read you like a book, right? And if you cross my mom, it's probably similar to yours.
If you cross my mom, it's over.

Speaker 2 You're out. She held a grudge.
I mean, honestly, till the day she died. It's just who she was.
And almost like I would tell her, like, no, mom, it's okay. You know, it was just like, you hurt my baby.

Speaker 2 F you, you know, it's over. And Josh,

Speaker 2 one of the few people that my mom absolutely adored and loved through it all. And it was crazy.
It was weird. It was not even a bad way, but it's just weird.

Speaker 2 Like she just saw, she saw what, what I saw and what a lot of his close friends have seen. And like you said, the loyalty, the trust, the friend that took care of you.

Speaker 2 But the friend, he was, he had this, I mean, he was incredible. You know, he was the guy, but it was like, it was just more than that, man.
But again, it is those times going out

Speaker 2 before social media, before the cameras. Yeah, it's kind of

Speaker 2 it was like, dude, I mean, you lived it. The A-list of A-lists, people went out and they partied and they had fun, and you never had to worry about what was happening inside those walls.

Speaker 1 Just a few names for you out there. Yeah, Ledoux,

Speaker 1 Boyer,

Speaker 1 all places we filmed at over the years with Entrace. Hyde, Teddy's.

Speaker 1 Well, Teddy's at the Rose.

Speaker 2 Bootsies wasn't Josh's, but Teddy's.

Speaker 1 Bootsies wasn't Josh's, but Teddy's was the iconic one. And last thing before, two last things before we get to Josh.
One, I always look at things like this too, like staying power.

Speaker 1 That is a world where a lot of guys and girls came in, had a run, and then just like, they just kind of never could do it again. You never heard from them again.

Speaker 1 It was in and out, whatever their dealings were. Josh Richmond has standed the test of time in that world.
That's number one. And then number two,

Speaker 1 just wait. If you can, I know if this is audio, and if you could ever switch over to YouTube, at least to see the first two minutes of what Josh brings

Speaker 1 right off the bat in the interview, it's two of the coolest pieces of memorabilia. I'm not going to spoil it.
I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 So, if you could hop over to YouTube just to see what he has, or you could listen to it.

Speaker 2 But it was an amazing way to start an interview. Two things really quick.
He is like me. I collect cards.

Speaker 2 He is a card, but also a memorabilia collector.

Speaker 1 Yes, he's got some hope stuff.

Speaker 2 It's It's a great tease. Yeah, he has got some of the sickest stuff, and I've seen it in his house.
And he brings some of the stuff to the thing, which is freaking awesome.

Speaker 2 And then the second thing is he, and he talks about this.

Speaker 1 His,

Speaker 2 some of his best friends in the world since he was young are some of the biggest stars on the planet.

Speaker 2 And I think that's what's fascinating too, because of, because just where he grew up, he grew up with these guys.

Speaker 1 Like, he grew up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I know, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's more.

Speaker 2 there's more there's yeah it's pretty remarkable so everyone's in for a treat with this one man and and i i said i posted on instagram earlier this week like if you know you know and you'll listen because you just know you know who he is and you know well what i know you're putting out pictures too on your instagram i'm gonna put out more what's crazy too is that You know, again, this is before cell phone cameras, right?

Speaker 1 And he was a very protective dude, but he has the best pictures. He could have sold his entire picture collection over his years and leaked photos and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 he has amazing pictures of celebrities athletes all throughout the years and never no one's ever seen them but like him and like his inner circle like they're not out there in the world you see them because you're part of the inner circle so shout outs to josh we're going to get to that interview pretty much right now before we do real quick we're going to do all-time adventures driven by nissan the 2025 nissan pathfinder rock freak adventure ready and free from new tariffs so i think this is a perfect thing I wanted to ask you about for the adventure this week.

Speaker 1 I think, I don't know,

Speaker 1 since we talk a lot about USC with Josh Richmond, players are declaring and have declared college football's upon us.

Speaker 1 When and what was it like when you officially declared for USC?

Speaker 2 Gosh, it was, dude, it was a lot different. I think it's, I think it's been almost 25 years to the day that I committed to USC and declared.
So just

Speaker 2 the story is I committed to USC under Paul Hackett and Hugh Jackson. Hugh Jackson was the OC at the time.
Kennedy Pola, who I love,

Speaker 2 recruited me from Modern Day. So I committed my junior year, like right around, right around this time.

Speaker 2 They got fired. That whole staff got fired.
So I, you know, decommitted and kind of opened up my recruitment. That's when Bob Stoops in Oklahoma came in hard.

Speaker 2 And they won a national championship that year. So when I went on my recruiting trip, I got to see bowl practice, them competing for a national title was Josh Heipel and those teams.
And

Speaker 2 they ended up winning and beating Florida State. So that was really cool to experience like a national championship practice, being in Oklahoma, all those things.

Speaker 2 The following, and then that offseason, Pete Carroll gets hired and he hires Norm Chow, all this, this all-American elite staff.

Speaker 2 I keep my recruitment open until around this time, you know, in gosh, 2001. And you're a junior, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 Now at that time, going into senior year, now I'm going into my senior year. I think it's like, you know, it's like this time.
It's like summer going into senior year.

Speaker 2 I commit to them and I'll never forget. I think I committed, I think I committed in the fall because I remember I was going to school.

Speaker 2 All now you get these press conferences and you have these high school all-star games and these hats and all of this. And I was like, I was a four-star recruit.

Speaker 2 So I was like top, I think I was top 10 quarterback in the country or top like 12, somewhere around there. So like, you know, I was pretty, I'm pretty high recruit.
I'll never forget.

Speaker 2 I have my letter of intent of like a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 I'm sitting and I grew up, you know, in a small house in Santa Ana, and I'm sitting there and I'm reading the newspaper because I read the newspaper every morning, the sports section.

Speaker 2 And my dad comes in and he has a disposable camera and my letter of intent. And I'm eating my lucky charms, dude.
I'll never forget this. I can't even make this up.
I have a bowl of cereal.

Speaker 2 I'm all grouchy. It's seven.
I'm like, I don't want to do this right now. He's like, do it.
Take a picture. He's standing over there.
I'm at my little kitchen table. I sign my letter of intent.

Speaker 2 I have a picture of this somewhere.

Speaker 1 I got to find this picture of this.

Speaker 1 It exists.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it exists.

Speaker 2 It's in a box somewhere. But yeah, I'm signing my letter of intent, smiling, wearing my modern day uniform, eating.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty sure it was Lucky Charms or Fruit Loops, but I think it was Lucky Charms signing my letter of intent to go to USC. That's how I committed to USC.
And I probably called them.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't even, I barely even had a cell phone at that time. So times have changed, Jerry.
That feels like that feels like 100 years ago.

Speaker 1 Well, also, also, too, last week's episode, you, I mean, you've talked about this to me before.

Speaker 1 I guess I didn't realize it, but you didn't start playing when we did our whole tackle football thing with kids. You didn't start so high school.

Speaker 1 You started freshman year of high school and in two and a half seasons, essentially, or three years, you were a four-star recruit.

Speaker 1 I always say this. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 I always say this, and this is true.

Speaker 2 A big reason why, personally, I don't think I, quote unquote, made it as far as i wanted to i mean obviously i played at the highest level i played for seven years but like really like you know played for 10 years and really i don't think i ever really loved it the way that all of these because i because that point i didn't play it growing up so like like i i grew to love it because i was i'm a competitor and i'm an athlete and it was it was my path but like i didn't i didn't play in fourth grade, third grade, tackle.

Speaker 2 I was baseball. I wanted to be a pitcher in the major leagues.
That was my dream. Like that got shattered.
So I just, I, I just fell into football.

Speaker 2 So I always look back, I'm like, I just don't think I loved it the way I needed to in order to, I mean, injuries happen, all these things, but like in order to really like have the success that I thought I could have.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, it just, it just was one of those things. And like, I look back and it's like, yeah, I just like, man, I didn't eat, sleep, breathe football.
I was just really good at it.

Speaker 2 I had great teams around me and I made it, you know, like I, I, I, and I was talented, but like, that was it, you know, like, so I look at all these guys like, man, they, that's all they knew growing up.

Speaker 2 That's all they did. You know, they played other sports.

Speaker 1 They were from like second grade, though.

Speaker 2 Like, that was, that was,

Speaker 2 most like quarterbacks are all, most of them are great athletes. Most of them played multiple sports, all that.
And then you choose one, but like, you know,

Speaker 2 it just was opposite for me. And I always think about that.
I'm like, man, like, you know, I just, that was probably a big part of it. But again, I love the sport, man.
I love the sport.

Speaker 2 I love playing it. I just don't think I was in love with it when I was playing.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 That makes sense. Well, shout outs to Nissan.
And if you ever can find that photo, man, maybe you should ask Josh because Josh has every photo.

Speaker 1 That's a great thing. I would love to see that.

Speaker 2 I have it. It's like I could find it.

Speaker 2 It's just like a, it's like from like Kodak, dude. It's like one of those, you know, the disposable snap, maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have a bunch of those too. All right, we're going to get to it because it's a really, really fun interview.
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Speaker 1 Well, you came in hot today. You came in with some memorabilia of Mr.
Leiner. And at first, I wasn't quite sure what you had there.
Do you want to pick those up and

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 95s are

Speaker 1 Matt Leinert's game worn.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow, number 11.
National Championship winning cleats. Oh, my.
Oklahoma 11.

Speaker 1 Okay, my ticket. Actually, the best part is

Speaker 1 your dad who snuck in.

Speaker 1 Jack? Yeah, I think a jack in his leg. And I'm not really a drinker.
We're pounding. We were so hyped.
And then that looks. Yeah, that's all this.
Oh, God, that's I want to see that, though. No.

Speaker 1 That's mine. Let me see that.
This is the play wristband. Wow.

Speaker 1 And the mouthpiece. Back in 04, this could have fetched a lot.

Speaker 2 I want to see the wristband.

Speaker 1 Oh, here, give me this goop.

Speaker 2 I don't need the mouthpiece.

Speaker 1 I don't want the mouthpiece.

Speaker 2 That thing hasn't been washed in 21 years.

Speaker 2 Let me just see, because

Speaker 2 I remember clear as day some of the plays we scored in that game on, for sure.

Speaker 1 Scored a lot that game. So it might be hard to remember.

Speaker 1 We've just lost Matt to the K-hole.

Speaker 2 i loved uh i remember because it's color coded so it was sluggo everything was sluggo sluggo sluggo sluggo win notre dame

Speaker 2 sluggo so the bet so yellow i hated because it was always a run because so like yellow no hated the run god forbid you hand the bottle

Speaker 2 no but i was like i want out red was red zone right so i knew that was a pass because sometimes the uh calls got too long green was

Speaker 2 green was a pass too but then the shots blue were like the shots like hey let's go take a shot downfield but yellow was like teeth like yellow teeth green so sark anytime you go green i'm like yes let's go we're passing how do you end up with these possessions josh here well we had we had spent you should wear that we had prior to that we had spent a good solid year a couple years like right we'll get into like

Speaker 1 it's a time

Speaker 1 You have to understand, especially after that, this is after they'd already won a title. This was the year where we were like considered maybe the greatest ever.
Right.

Speaker 1 I say we, and everyone's like, You didn't go there. I'm like, Wool,

Speaker 1 but I will say, my father was the SID there in the late 50s without, it came up with Al Davis. Like, it's been in my blood forever.

Speaker 1 And this, that team was my kind of inroad to being behind the cardinal curtain, so to speak. One day, I'm just with him.
It was not long after the game, and I see them.

Speaker 1 They're just sitting there, like in the bed of the truck, like some

Speaker 1 dumb by SC could have easily just did. They were just sitting.
They were, anybody could have had at them. I'm like,

Speaker 1 he's like, fine, I don't care. So I took them and I'm just like, what? I was like, yeah, it's a five-figure item.
Well, but just also, it's like,

Speaker 1 never sell it.

Speaker 2 But I mean, I'm just like, I just can't believe the dirt is still on the bottom.

Speaker 1 You have the original dirt. I keep shit.
I know you do. Hold on.
Let's not get it twisted. Let everybody see.

Speaker 1 That is natty dirt, y'all.

Speaker 2 That's pretty crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like how you laid out, like you saying, like Kobe Shaq.

Speaker 1 Like, we obviously talk a lot of USC on that show, but I really hope people do do realize because I was, I got here in 2000, so I was like fresh off the boat here.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I don't know what the proper comparison is. We also like joke around like Beatles kind of, but the USC effect in that time period.

Speaker 1 And you've seen a lot of different, and we're going to get into your history with LA.

Speaker 1 You were still in Modern Day at 2000.

Speaker 2 Yeah, my.

Speaker 1 Were you Gatorade Player of the Year in 2000 or 2001? 2000. So right when you got here, he was the number one player in the country at Modern Day, which is the factory.
Yeah. Bosco a little bit.

Speaker 2 Not then, though. Not then.
I always say, I always get asked.

Speaker 1 It was Paulie then.

Speaker 2 Paulie, yeah. Paulie moderate.
I get asked still to this day, you know, like

Speaker 2 that era and Hollywood, USC, what was it like? This and that, right? And I've told, you know this, but like

Speaker 2 Josh was

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 the bridge, but like the epicenter to my world and everything in a, in a positive way. It was like when I got introduced to USC, Alex Holmes, who we're going to talk about, because he's, he's really

Speaker 2 connected a lot of us to Josh's world and to LA and just to the culture.

Speaker 1 He was, he was the Malcolm Gladwell connector.

Speaker 2 So it's like, I always say, like, it was like Josh's,

Speaker 2 especially looking back, as you can always just, you'd go look back to the era, which is crazy. Like the shit that it was just, it was awesome.
Like, what a time to be around.

Speaker 2 Josh was truly like the,

Speaker 2 well, call him the godfather, but like, honestly, like, he was a friend, a father figure. He was a guy that took care of us.
He was a guy that protected us.

Speaker 2 And we were fucking stupid kids at the time. Just, I mean, they were stupid.
We were dumb as shit. They were stupid.
We were stupid, but like, we didn't know any better.

Speaker 2 And by the way, I say this all the time.

Speaker 1 I go, we played hard, but we won.

Speaker 2 Every like it never got in the way of us. We were dominant every single day.

Speaker 1 And that was the thing that also bothered me when you went to the NFL and people were like, you know, this stuff's important to him. I'm like,

Speaker 1 find me a top white kid that isn't doing this. He just happens to be in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 Right. That was the problem, man.
It was just, yeah.

Speaker 1 And again, I every kid everywhere did it.

Speaker 2 We just, yeah, it was just LA.

Speaker 1 And it was the. And this is pre-NIL, everyone, to understand it.
Like, anything they took back then, they were not allowed to take. And Matt could have taken a lot and didn't.

Speaker 2 Like, you were,

Speaker 2 in a way, almost NIL before real NIL. And not because you gave us stuff, but it was like, but our

Speaker 1 thing you could do that was in the gray.

Speaker 2 The recruiting pitch to USC is like, yo, you're gonna go to usc and win but you're also gonna have this part of the world i was like and i was thinking i'm like josh was and you took a lot of from usc over the years because all the stuff that went down like just all sorts nothing but nobody got in trouble nothing went down i know but they want it when they want it then when they don't want it they want to you know like act like you're the plague but you were you were like like

Speaker 2 you were the yeah i don't i mean i don't want to phrase that the wrong way because i mean in a positive but you were like that was like the connector it was part of it was part of it it was back then when everything was was a there was an amorphous gray area of what was unspoken.

Speaker 1 They used to call them $100 handshakes. But

Speaker 1 kids were probably doing it. Of course they were doing it.
And of course, whatever the underhanded stuff that got done. But the point is everybody did it.

Speaker 1 I didn't make it right, but everyone did it to the level they could get away with it. So I'd be like, USC does it.
Complain all year. It doesn't matter anybody.
You know, Rice does it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Colorado State does it. I mean, everybody does it.
So the fact that, you know, we were so great.

Speaker 1 And I even think that when we got put on damn near death penalty, you know, Mike Garrett was was a g and mike garrett thumbed his nose at all of it and they they wanted to punish mike garrett and then pete had to skedaddle out of town he didn't want to stay there for the aftermath fine but i i was i was in the epicenter of it i saw it they weren't every kid in a college goes to nightclubs It's not a news.

Speaker 1 They just aren't going to the most famous ones in the world with all the famous people because they're in Tallahassee and nobody cares.

Speaker 1 The ones that are covered almost 24-7 in the pre-social media era were covered 24-7. And which gets back to what we call like the Lindsay Paris era.

Speaker 1 That was Matt's exact time was with the LA, like Lindsay Paris.

Speaker 1 It was kind of like the TMZ generation, right? It evolved from this old guy who's dead now called Woody, who was the first, remember E.L. Woody.

Speaker 1 We had Woody on Entourage. I was a kid.

Speaker 1 He started it in the 90s when I had Granville, which is, yeah, he started then. And then it became the TMZ culture.

Speaker 1 And stuff was all, you know, the other thing is like, I'm the bad guy because I'm the conduit to the thing they'd be doing anyway with nobody protecting them.

Speaker 1 But also I protected them from those people.

Speaker 1 And let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 I have pictures of Matt Leonard

Speaker 1 and others that were really valuable.

Speaker 1 Like I'm talking half a million dollars valuable. I was told by some of the biggest guys at the time when it was, when it was the episode,

Speaker 1 they hated that. No, not get me.
I was like, I have this. What's it worth? Not because I was ever going to sell it, but I wanted to know.

Speaker 1 He goes, all day, 250, anywhere upwards of 500 if if there's a bidding war.

Speaker 1 We won't say what they were. And they weren't lewd or anything.
It was just like the adjacency of famous people. We should have sold that.
Yeah, that would have gone over great with Linda.

Speaker 1 That would have gone over great with Steve and Bob and Linda and Rhino Smith.

Speaker 1 But I think that is like a testament to you.

Speaker 2 And I always look back like, shit, we should have sold that for you.

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 together, yes, it would have been great.

Speaker 1 You put it in an escrow account. But, you know, everybody was always looking at everyone like

Speaker 1 even when I was working with Guns N' Roses, I was so close to them.

Speaker 1 And, you know, there's all it's it was just like a football team it's just drama drama drama everybody mad at who's close to the guy and you know they would just you the same things that people would make up about people they would make it up that's not true but they make it up they can just put it on you because how do you defend yourself i was always i i always felt like again i probably made some bonehead mistakes like we all know

Speaker 1 like but i did but like

Speaker 2 I don't care, like, who cares? But like, I always felt, I did always feel protected by him because I could, I mean, shit, we were like in the, like, everybody could see anybody. Like, we walk out.

Speaker 2 Like, it was just like, it wasn't, I was probably not the smartest at times, but I always felt protected by Josh. But we also built a great relationship.
Like, we were friends and real friends.

Speaker 2 Like you said, he came to my house in San A. He knew my mom.
My mom passed away. My mom, my mom was real tough with my group.

Speaker 2 Even like, even his really old friends, even my real old friends, like, if you, like, she was one, she was, she was, my dad was.

Speaker 1 The mom's always known my dad was easy.

Speaker 2 My dad was cool, kind of just like he stayed out like he just was proud of his son he loved like he's he was always and he's still the same way my mom was like once you'd crossed her it was just one of those no coming back yeah you're just like he's dead to me even if he's still around he i'll say hi i'll be nice josh always had like i don't like always had a special place like like he came to my mom's funeral like you know like like it was just like she always was like i trust josh and i don't even maybe i don't know why but like she's like i trust josh that has your best it's an intuition it's just yeah it would it's it's and I'll say this.

Speaker 1 That's beautiful, honestly. But, you know, especially because things got a little hectic.
There were some recruiting trips because a lot of times those recruits got brought to me.

Speaker 1 And, and, uh, and Matt steered clear of all that, by the way, um, which is true, but but you know, there was trips, and these kids were coming in, like the number one corner in the country.

Speaker 1 The kids actually still in the NFL, number one corner in the country. It was, it was known he was already committed somewhere, but like he was taking his visit to LA.

Speaker 1 This school came in the club and was partying like he was freaking like he was coming, like he was like, no, he no, it was more like he was partying like he was you know derek jeter right i guess derek jeter didn't really party but i guess i'm just saying like this kid i'm like dang this kid like balls out like a club person yeah

Speaker 1 underage

Speaker 1 you know just like two shots stogie like i don't know i wasn't afraid but he was here right are you saying this happened in la like in la in a place where it'd be easily leaked photographed oh yeah yeah i mean it was it was you could protect them the younger kids you could protect because they didn't these dum dums don't know who they are right but matt and reggie and these type of guys were not protectable, you know.

Speaker 1 So, Matt was like, it was hard work to protect him, but it's not like he was doing anything wrong. It was just a matter of they would take it and make something out of it.
It would be bad for him.

Speaker 1 And that never happened, by the way. Yeah, it never happened.

Speaker 2 I always feel like, I don't know, maybe you could correct me, but I always feel like

Speaker 2 we didn't, I don't know, like, I don't know, we didn't, like, we went out normal.

Speaker 1 We didn't go out all the time.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know, like, we, it wasn't like we were raging every night. Like, dude, I still went to school.
I still had to play a sport. I still was like striving to be something.

Speaker 2 It just, it just was like we were.

Speaker 1 You did what kids do.

Speaker 2 We did what kids do.

Speaker 1 The fact that it was in LA. You're right.
You said the fact that it was here.

Speaker 2 And we, and in that time, in that time, Peter.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was, I was part of the ride as well. This was also my business.
And business was flourishing. You know what I mean? So, and these guys were part of it, sure.
But also it was my.

Speaker 1 love of football and sports and SC football. It was highly competitive.
And these guys were the best and the teams were the best.

Speaker 1 And you didn't want, I didn't want anything to happen that fucked with that.

Speaker 1 it would have been pretty bad to go you know there's that guy down in Florida that got them everybody and all that there's always a guy that gets everyone and all that trouble I was gonna make sure that was not gonna be me while by the same token we all still had an incredible time you know so do we get lucky maybe was it my acumen being a little older yeah i i kind of and plus i had relationships with the people that could have fucked us all so and instead like it's almost like we grew there like when you think about you're like my social media person we we grew these personas yeah and play and put these guys in places that helped them start to get all that stuff their status as football players would have done it anyway but i felt like that come up here was healthier for them as then when they got there yeah still didn't help them make the best decisions in the world but

Speaker 2 i i'm gonna say this for the first time first time the talk about protect you know protecting who i took on a date and i think it was teddy's it was teddy's first of all for one second let me say teddy's some of the most fun i ever had in my life.

Speaker 1 I didn't go out tons, but when I did, Teddy's was like one of my favorite.

Speaker 2 Out of this, because I want to.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 set the tips. I can't believe you're doing this right now.
Let's go. Let's go.

Speaker 2 I already got clearance. I'm good.
You got clearance.

Speaker 2 We've been through clearance, clearance. We've been through a lot.
Right. Seen a lot,

Speaker 2 a lot like good, bad, crying, happy, hard, just beautiful. Life is beautiful in a lot of different ways.
And here we are, like, hey, you want to come on my podcast, John?

Speaker 1 Like, six worst words in LA. You want to be on my podcast? I was like, yes.

Speaker 2 yeah i say no to this all the time let me tell you i was so excited i did i know i was like we've been thinking of you we're just you know we're trying to so what are you about to tell me so i'm about to tell you that i took this girl on a date to josh's club and no one knows this okay and talk about protection i took rihanna

Speaker 2 on a date i didn't know what you're gonna say okay to teddy's whoa was it teddy's right it was and do you want to hear the lead up to this date please so this there's there's some more context to the story but i'm just gonna leave it at that

Speaker 2 it's i think it's like the third time and this is like like, it's either like all or nothing. Like, I already fumbled it away.
Like, it was just whatever. And I'm like, call Josh.

Speaker 2 I'm like, hey, I'm this is what I'm doing. Like, can you help me get like sneak? Like, whatever, like, whatever the word is.

Speaker 1 You need to buy. You need your boy.
I'm in the back door. I'm in the back door.

Speaker 2 Let me know when you're here. We'll come get you whatever.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if you.

Speaker 2 I don't think we showed up together, but it's one of those things, right? And I think Akuna was there. I think it was the, I think it was like her and I, you were in and out, kind of like leading it.

Speaker 2 And then our buddy Daniel, who was, who was the one that was kind of middle of all. But the problem was, is I had this fucking ginormous blister on my lip

Speaker 1 on your date,

Speaker 1 Marsha Brady, dude. I can't even, I tell you what, dude, it's like were you nervous about the blister?

Speaker 2 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 It was you get the blister because you were nervous.

Speaker 2 I got the blister because I was in the sun.

Speaker 2 Like, I would get these sun blisters, and I felt like when I used to be super fat when I was little, and violent femmes, and I'd be like afraid to take my shirt off at PE.

Speaker 2 And you know, you're so embarrassed, you're like, oh, please don't go.

Speaker 1 I've been there. Trust me.
I was literally there today.

Speaker 2 That day. That That day.
I'll never forget it. It was there.
And then I don't know who in my world was like, dude, they're like, you're okay, bro. You're going to be fucking fine.

Speaker 2 You're going to be fine.

Speaker 1 I'm like, no, I'm fucking up. You had a hype, man.

Speaker 2 The whole time, and Teddy's was dark. So the whole time we're at a little table, dude, and I'm sitting across from her.
Josh is her. And I'm just like, I couldn't make eye contact, dude.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I'm like this. I'm like, yeah, what's up? What's up? Like, I couldn't talk.
It was just.

Speaker 1 She's probably digging being aloof. This is great.

Speaker 2 No, no. This was already like the ship at sail.

Speaker 1 But like, she, she, she came in and was like, get me out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She was like, oh, this poor kid.

Speaker 2 And I remember, I think Daniel after one of our buddies was like, you fucking are an idiot.

Speaker 1 You blew it. Oh, to my face.
Billy Madison. You blew it.

Speaker 2 But yeah, that was.

Speaker 1 I can't believe you got the clearance, Clarence. Good.

Speaker 2 Well, my wife's the best. And plus, she's like, she's like, you're an idiot.

Speaker 1 Like, what do you think? And so for you, though, it's like getting a text like that from Matt, like, hey, me and Rihanna are coming through.

Speaker 1 Like, that's normal course of business at that time for you.

Speaker 1 But in his case, because we're close and because there's all this other

Speaker 1 literally, it's like the greatest text ever. Right.
And the irony is like, like, it would happen with Matt or say, like, I'll give an example like Johnny Depp. Right.
You know,

Speaker 1 everyone's stoked. Johnny's coming to the club.

Speaker 1 I'm not. It's not fun for me.
Right. Like, I love him.
I want him to have a great time, but I'm like in a panic. I'm just like,

Speaker 1 so that's more like protective.

Speaker 1 And plus, like, get him in there, get him stash, stash a security guard there, and then just leave it. Yeah, I don't want to, I just don't want to hear about it.

Speaker 1 I just pray that they get out of there quick and everyone, there's no trouble. You know, and also all these things,

Speaker 1 sometimes the best stuff is not stuff that can be known about. Right.
You know, whereas how great would it be for your thing if it was? Of course.

Speaker 1 But like you said, it was all so fertile back then that it would always be another, there would always be something great coming. Right.

Speaker 1 But that is an interesting spot for you where it's like, I feel like a lot of people in your position either have or would have they all did oh matt and rihanna they all did don't don't get it twisted that they didn't yeah and sometimes i would hear that something was coming and i would it's almost like short money versus long money right you played like a long or it's like it's part of the game so it's fine we never did it was kind of like you know people would always say to me and my old my old partner hartwells one of my best friends who's gotten himself out of nightlife lucky guy um he he

Speaker 1 they would say oh they get all these people because of drugs it's like we don't do drugs Have you ever done a drug with me?

Speaker 1 No, I'm just saying, like, if you did drugs with me, we would be covering drugs. That sounds like someone who is seeing success and can't figure it out.
And

Speaker 1 wow, they must be doing this. Like, no, there's a million other ways to do it.
Because, as you know, and what your whole show is about, and what we've talked about, everything is about relationships.

Speaker 1 Yes, true. Real relationships, not just transactional ones, which obviously have value, but like real relationships.
You know, the person.

Speaker 1 If you screw them over, you or you fuck up, you feel really bad about it so all the things that didn't happen on my watch was of how bad i would have felt yeah and then it also would have given all the haters oh see c c i was like they were waiting for that yeah they were waiting for that to happen of course that never i never like i can't i could probably count on one hand the times we've drank together maybe more but that's like vacation and just like like because you're not a heisman yeah

Speaker 1 well that's why celebration i matt won the heisman

Speaker 1 this is what i always joke with people when they try to come to a nightclub and it's like a dude with like three dudes. I'm like, my man, I have more juice than you'll ever have.

Speaker 1 I've never brought three dudes anywhere in my life. What makes you think you can do it? Bring more dudes.
Hold on.

Speaker 2 The Sausage Fest. I see the text from Josh.
You're bringing all the Sausage Fest in tonight. Like, yeah, dude, sorry.

Speaker 1 The night of the Heisman. We're in New York, and it's Noah Tepperberg's got Marquis.
And that's my boy. Marquee.
But they weren't really athlete-centric.

Speaker 1 But I just said, listen, trust me, this is a good thing for you. You want this.
It wasn't just Matt and his buddies. It turned into like 30 people.
Party of

Speaker 1 Herb Street falling over here. You got Urban Meyer over here.
You got every player. You got the whole families.
I mean, it was crazy. I literally walked into a club with 30 people.
30 dudes.

Speaker 2 And right next to us was Sandler, Chris Ross. They were shooting the longest yard, the remake.
And it was that whole crew. It was literally right next to us.
What a night. My God.

Speaker 1 And don't think it wasn't fun for people, by the way, also to like see him or Reggie or these people in their heyday. People were stoked.

Speaker 2 What do you? I was genuinely curious of what you think of Niel, just in general. Because

Speaker 2 we talked about

Speaker 2 you saw a whole different world. We lived a whole different world before maybe they're $100 handshakes, but now it's like, I mean, you've probably seen, I've seen some of these deals.
I literally,

Speaker 2 this will make us feel old. I sat in a marketing meeting with athletes first and Cole the other day.
Wow.

Speaker 2 pitching him to be their like their wow and yeah it's crazy and it's like you start to see some of these numbers and it's seven-figure numbers like it's it's like real money and just i mean you're a sports lover.

Speaker 2 Just what are your thoughts in general?

Speaker 1 I saw a kid the other day from Tennessee getting a huge NIL deal, and they equated it over three years. And it's more than a kid who starts in the NBA.

Speaker 1 So I don't know what that means. And there's always an over-correction.
But back then, Clarkson and I used to talk about it. Like something had to change.

Speaker 1 The NCA is the most corrupt, most foolish shit organization ever. By the way, no one really realized the NCA is a non-for-profit organization.
Tell them that at March Madness.

Speaker 1 Anyway, they're over here talking about what a kid can't do. So it was long overdue.
There was the O'Bannon suit and other ones.

Speaker 1 So ultimately, it was something that's deserved, but now it's the Wild West and there's no way to put the genie back in the bottle. And I don't know what they're going to do.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's not about saying, hey, what do we think about NIL right now? It's about where's this headed? You know, I love USC football, but USC football is a different thing now.

Speaker 1 Even a kid like Miller Moss, who was a die-hard, diehard, was never going to leave. And I don't blame him for leaving.

Speaker 1 Zachariah Branch, lovely kid. He and his brother come here from Vegas.
This kid is an incredible kid, not just a great player. Great family, great player.
Gone. Like,

Speaker 1 it is now something where they got to figure out what college football is. It's going to become, you know, paid minor league football, whether it's a big super conference or two super conferences.

Speaker 1 I have this crazy thing, and people think I'm nuts, whether it's Amazon broadcast game now, right?

Speaker 1 Bezos has the money to say, well, let's take six programs, the biggest ones that have that fill their stadiums. Let's buy up the license.

Speaker 1 Let's just turn those into the six greatest young people's football teams, and it'll, and they'll play each other in their stadiums, and it'll all be paid for, and we'll broadcast it all.

Speaker 1 It's all in-house, and he's got the money to do it. I know it's crazy to talk about, but it has to head somewhere because whatever this is, it's just insane.

Speaker 2 I want to ask you a question because I've made fun of you for years for this.

Speaker 2 How you grew up in LA,

Speaker 1 showtime lakers i know what's coming you know because i've been giving you shit for how and i and i i respect the loyalty out of you but how on god's earth can you be a clippers fan a real life no a real no i'm saying a real life loyal always had which i respect that but i'm like laker fan too right yeah long time season ticket holder whatever but but you're yes okay there's a real easy answer when i was a kid i loved bob mcadoo yeah and that was the braves yeah and the braves moved and they became the san Diego Clippers.

Speaker 1 And I was a little boy, and I went to one of their very first exhibition games in that old awful arena down in San Diego. Swen Nader, you know,

Speaker 1 some dude called Witherspoon.

Speaker 2 Was it worse than the sports arena, the LA Sports Arena? Remember how bad?

Speaker 1 It was worse than the sports arena, for real. Anyway, went there, you know,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 liked them. I mean, I'm like the guy that likes uniforms and I love trades and see a guy in a new uniform.
I was just, they were, they were a team I liked. It was the Braves.
They became the Clippers.

Speaker 1 And then when they moved here,

Speaker 1 a guy knew like some girl that worked for him and gave him these incredible season tickets. And we would go all the time because we would just go for like the Jordan game or the best games.

Speaker 1 And then the sports arena was a miserifying. It's a miserifying experience.
And then there's a chronology. And then

Speaker 1 my dear friend Ron Burkle had these floor seats forever. And Ron was so generous with them.

Speaker 1 And then the capper of it was, you know, my brother, Frankie Delgado. Frankie.
He's from Tijuana via San Diego. Frankie is a legitimate Clipper.
He's a real Clipper.

Speaker 1 He takes more shit for it than anybody, but he's a legitimate Clipper fan. And flip-flop Frank never flip-flops off the Clippers.
Like,

Speaker 1 he is the most die-hard Clipper fan. And so I started getting all these court sites he's saying.
Frankie and I were going to, like, we, like, we went to a lot of games.

Speaker 1 And, you know, you just, you keep feeding the kitty, so to speak. Plus, they got pretty good for a minute.

Speaker 1 Like, we, I, I remember going to the sports arena when it was Pooh Richardson and Danny Manning. And then it, and then all of a sudden, Knucklehead Eric.
Who's the white guy I met at Teddy's?

Speaker 1 Who's the white guy on that team?

Speaker 2 With

Speaker 2 Pooh Richardson. He was good.
Pooh Richardson.

Speaker 2 Danny Manning. No.
The other guy.

Speaker 1 Pietowski? Eric Piatowski.

Speaker 1 That's later. That's later.

Speaker 1 That's Staples.

Speaker 2 90. Oh, that's Staples.

Speaker 1 And so, but, and so, you know, this team got, you know, Blake,

Speaker 1 CP, like Bob City, CP hitting like. game winning, you know, like it got to a thing.
And then Laker fans are now like talking shit to me.

Speaker 1 Like my friends that I go to Laker games with, they're like talking shit to me. And I'm like, guys,

Speaker 1 like, I'm a bandwagoner. I'm like, bandwagon's this.
It's the worst bandwagon in history. And then they get this guy, Ballmer, who's, you know, God love him.
He wants to do it so bad.

Speaker 1 But, you know, ultimately, I will always have a soft spot. I hope that answers your question.

Speaker 1 But Frankie and I, like, we still talk about it, you know, because I mean, we're also basketball fans. And basketball is, by the way, my least favorite sport, but it's, it's, it's,

Speaker 1 it's fucking hard to win, man.

Speaker 1 They were so close, but they just, you know, DeAndre and Blake and Chris, they just all, I think everyone was mad at me.

Speaker 2 I think it's like, we're in the same boat. I mean, Cole's older, but like with your boys.
I think it's great, like the story, like you're a kid and you just like it.

Speaker 2 That's how, like, we always talk about like his kids are now Knicks fans because of him. My ones are like, I'm Dodgers, you know, me, Dodgers, Lake.

Speaker 1 Sometimes they go against the Dicks.

Speaker 2 But sometimes they do, but it's cool that like you had, that's why, I mean, and you stuck with them.

Speaker 1 Like that, my, if my,

Speaker 2 when Cole was a Clippers fan, which we all know, I was like, dude it broke my heart like i love that

Speaker 1 i love that hey listen true true loves his raiders suffering loves his trojan footballs been a little bit of suffering but let me tell you he sees someone in a ucla shirt he calls them the poops look dad that person wearing a poops jersey taught him well i love it sorry casey i um

Speaker 2 I want to go, I want to go back because I don't know if I know this story of just how it all started for you

Speaker 2 getting into the whole club world. And you know,

Speaker 1 you were an actor, voice artist, because you were music, like 21 Jump Street, which is awesome.

Speaker 1 Is that how you met Depp? No, we were acquainted prior, but we became like Jumpstart. So you were on 21 Jump Street? Because he, what? You did.

Speaker 1 Which, by the way, I did like a double episode and then came back two seasons later for like an episode that was all me, which, by the way, is incredible, if I may say so.

Speaker 2 We're going to roll that. We'll roll that in this one.

Speaker 1 Oh, please. How such a good show? It was interesting.

Speaker 1 I had done hundreds and hundreds of voiceovers when when I was a kid, which I kind of alluded to earlier. I had won a million Clio and IBA awards.

Speaker 1 You know, my father's company were like the boutique, the best, the gold standard in creative advertising. And

Speaker 1 then life took over, you know, girls and weed and whatever, and I didn't care. My dad passed, my mom passed away when I was 14.
And my dad passed away six years later, and I was kind of adrift.

Speaker 1 And in that adriftness, prior to my dad passing, I had started going on auditions, which I still said I was just a professional auditioner. You know that grind.
It's a brutal grind.

Speaker 1 Downey would be like, yeah, I love auditions. I'm like, easy for you to say.
Right. You know, so, and plus I had like long hair down to here.
I only wore socks. Like, I didn't make it easy on myself.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can look at me. I did a couple of movies where they liked it so much, my character only wears socks.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 ultimately. I, I, my friend Rick, God love him.
He's passed away now. Rick had been doing some nightlife stuff and he was a kid from where I'm from.
He grew up up on the hill with me.

Speaker 1 Prior to that, he had lived in the Playboy Mansion. Long story, won't go into it.
But Rick was working, did a thing at On the Rocks, which was a private club that Lou Adler.

Speaker 1 And if you don't know who Lou Adler is, he's the guy in the beard next to Jack Nicholson on the floor at the Lakers for the last 50 years.

Speaker 1 Lou is an icon in the music business, and Lou is just a G of Gs.

Speaker 1 He kind of opened up what was a private bar that only like his friends had keys to, Magic, Jack Nicholson, whoever. And

Speaker 1 Rick got a night there, and Lou's daughter, Victoria Sellers,

Speaker 1 did it the other night with her friend Heidi Fleis.

Speaker 1 Aha.

Speaker 1 She became a very famous madam to those of you that don't know. Anyway, so Rick got his little head start.
And then our friends did this,

Speaker 1 owned this place that we had all gone to as kids, a club called Lingo.

Speaker 1 Then in the rock and roll days, there was a club called Bordello there from the guys that did Cat House sort of in Bordello. And then I did a club.

Speaker 1 Rick and I basically started a club there called Granville that was 93 to 99 at a time when there was only one good club a night. A lot of people don't know that.

Speaker 1 There was back then, you had your club that night, no one else had it. Right.
It wasn't where we go at. It was the Roxy round?

Speaker 2 What was the, the, or the,

Speaker 2 what was the place where you used to do like medal school?

Speaker 1 Was that? That started at the Viper. Then the Roxy, then the key club.
But so,

Speaker 1 so Rick was like, I want to do this, this thing. I want to do this thing.
And it was going to be like, you, you, you play all the music of the day. It was like no diggity,

Speaker 1 like the way you work,

Speaker 1 and then and then it was strippers, okay.

Speaker 1 And you know, there had been a huge couple big movies, Demi Moore had done a movie, the Washovsky brothers had made this movie with a girl called Mia Kirshner right before they made Matrix, and it was like it was like trendy, yeah.

Speaker 1 And so, we it was no diggity, and then at midnight, we would stop the music. DJ Ben Baller, Ben Yang at the time, he was your DJ, he was our DJ, and he worked at Priority Records for Brian Turner

Speaker 1 with Andrew Schaack, our boys. And

Speaker 1 we would stop the music. I would play my music.
I'd play like Dead Kennedys.

Speaker 1 I played bands that no one had heard of. I played Deftones before anyone heard it.
Guy O'Siri signed him. I played Alanis Morissette before anyone heard it.
I played Limp Biscuit on the Way Up.

Speaker 1 I played System of the Down before anyone. I played all these bands because I was also in the music business.
My friends were in the bands, managed the bands, and I would play their music first.

Speaker 1 So I would play this crazy music that the strippers liked. And then the crowd would throw all this money.
And it was the craziest thing ever. But the point is, how'd I do it?

Speaker 1 Rick was like, I want to do this with you. And that's the space now that later was Voyer and is now Delilah.
And that space was owned by friends of ours.

Speaker 1 And so like, we made a sweetheart deal with our friend. We put this and quickly it was.

Speaker 1 it was hot. I mean, like, it's all in all the, it's all out there.
Like we were on CNN. It was a thing thing.
Anyway, very quickly, I was like, you can make money like this for doing nothing?

Speaker 1 I'd be here anyway. Every famous person you can ever think of was there.
Everyone, including, I have video of Leo there. He's like 16.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Ultimately, so the getting in was, it was that, it was like a,

Speaker 1 it was almost like a natural rite of passage because I never really thought. I would do that because I had been going out all my life and all my friends had done it.

Speaker 1 People thought I did nightlife, but I didn't. And then I'm like, wait a second.
Natural business.

Speaker 1 And yeah, and I was already old enough where I was like, I don't care about these drugs and I don't really care about like these girls.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to have a relationship with someone I meet in the club. So ultimately, I just was there to make money.
You were easily separating.

Speaker 1 I was because my life was different. I had a life.
It was like when I became close with Axel Rose, another story. Axel.

Speaker 1 I was a guy in Hollywood that like had his whole own life. I didn't need Axel Rose for anything.
That turned into another bunch of hate and arrows and craziness.

Speaker 1 But like, ultimately, he wanted to be friends with me because he was like, this guy's the real McCoy.

Speaker 1 And he understood what that, what the panache of that was or the cachet of that was. And he, that was interesting to him.

Speaker 1 And so like, we were peers, you know, we, we, I wasn't a rock star, but like, we were, he didn't see me as like the guy who does the drugs or gets the girls.

Speaker 1 I was, I've never been that guy for anyone, even in the clubs. Like people like, hey, I can send some girls to the table.
No, I just put 300 girls in the building. You figure it out.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, I've never been that person.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So that's how, I mean, that's how we were too.

Speaker 1 That's how you've probably kept all of just the like talk about the relationships everyone trusted you you know everyone like you were friends but you were trusting you were well you were growing up with those guys in the same world though that's crazy dude i was shocked that you could make money like that because you know i i was in a relationship at the time and i was like i i work four hours a week and i can like live my life you know and then you and then you get incorporated and you pay your taxes and you're like this is just two and then then the alliance started right right when you got here was when the alliance started

Speaker 1 right and that Frankie was talking about bringing the name back the other day, actually.

Speaker 1 But then by the time I met you, that was now three years. We had taken night life and done multiple nights a week.
And now

Speaker 1 we're doing huge events. Right.

Speaker 2 It's big changes.

Speaker 1 Maximum Super Bowl, like, you know, Village at the Lift and Sundance.

Speaker 1 Like, we were doing a lot of big, big events because everyone was like, this demographic is where we want to spend our marketing money. And we were like, no problem.
And so.

Speaker 1 I can't believe my ergonomic output at that time of my life, what I could do. I managed a band called Dudsy that had this incredible band that had a big record deal on DreamWorks.

Speaker 1 I had multiple nights a week. We threw multiple big parties, probably like at least one a month, marketing contracts, Heineken, Cadillac, you name it.
Like

Speaker 1 if you told me I would have to work like that today, I would just literally go stick my head in the sand like an ostrich. I don't know how I did it.

Speaker 1 I guess when you're young, you have this resilience. But I mean, all that's going on.
And, you know, then Matt, like perfect example. There's Matt, college, but then he's in Arizona.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then he's, you know, then he's just not around. And then when he is around, he's got a little baby.
And we still saw each other.

Speaker 1 There's that, there's a great video of us in the dugout club at Dodger Stadium. And Cole is, it's itty-bitty.
He's sleeping on Matt's chest. That's right.

Speaker 1 I'm sitting next to Matt and there's this yokel next to us saying, hey, hey, you're his grandpa. I'm like, and Matt is, Matt used to always make fun of me for being older.

Speaker 1 Like he made, he made so much fun of me always. Like that was his way that he could always make fun of me.

Speaker 1 Did you get

Speaker 1 a freaking video? It exists. I'm like, thanks a lot.
Cole is asleep. He's two.
My God, dude. Did you, were you able to like, now,

Speaker 1 once the alliance is started, you mentioned all the things. Is it similar to movies or even like a sports team in the sense where you kind of know if you have something that's going to work?

Speaker 1 How soon do you know, hey, we're going to either open this place or do this party? Like, is it the sort of thing where, oh, this is going to need time, or do you

Speaker 1 have that? You don't have that luxury. First of all, when I see that, so many places don't make it and change.

Speaker 1 We don't have that. Yeah, we never had that.
I mean, maybe way down the line, but like when it mattered, you know, my runs were longer than anyone's ever.

Speaker 2 You knew when you were going to open a spot just because of whether contacts, relationships, and how you ran it, that it was going to be successful.

Speaker 1 And it might last a year.

Speaker 1 We really had the market cornered. We were like a mafia, and I was, I was, I was tough.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, you know, I fought like the second night of Ledue, which was so hot, the second or third night, like the guys that were the manager guys and they were like sneaking people in the back.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, dude, do that on your shit Wednesday. Don't do it on the Fridays, buddy.

Speaker 1 And like, we, like, it was a, like, I almost strangled the guy, but, you know, we knew this thing was going to have a run of all time.

Speaker 1 And Hart, remember, we were sitting in the front of my house, and Hart was like, dude, you got to apologize to him. I was like, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 I couldn't believe I was going to have to apologize to this fucking fucking guy for sneaking horrible people in the back of this thing that, like, we always said, look, we're going to do everything that you think we're going to do.

Speaker 1 Get out of the way.

Speaker 1 Leave us alone. Don't ask any questions.
Make your money. Hand us our check on time.
Just get out of the way. Let us do our thing.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not being an asshole, but all you're going to do is fuck it up. Nothing that you're going to do is going to help.
You don't help. We don't need your help.

Speaker 2 So it's your question.

Speaker 2 The greatest run for you,

Speaker 2 is it Teddy's? Like the one that's.

Speaker 1 No, the greatest run is high. These last 10 years of high.
high and it's i can't i just grandville that first one because it was in it was in a completely different

Speaker 1 one you know yeah that and well i had done yeah i mean yes that was the first one where like i'm now up to my neck in this thing even though it's like one day a week like you could like live your life but yeah but

Speaker 1 there was times getting into that period where i was doing four and five nights a week that's a whole different

Speaker 1 but you're also like you're just gathering because you're like they're all gonna fly and so i know you know i never had that experience.

Speaker 1 Now, Village at the Lifted Sundance, which was in Eourage, pretty incredible. We landed and we didn't know.
And Sundance, by the way, you know, Sundance has left Park City. I know.
I just saw that.

Speaker 1 I know that we're part of the reason. Like, well, we were going to Austin.
Where are they going? Where are they going? Somewhere in Colorado. Oh, Boulder.
Boulder. Boulder.
Yeah. So, so we, you know,

Speaker 1 we took the town lift.

Speaker 1 Fred Siegel had a thing. We had all the gifting.
It was just incredible. It was a vision of a guy called Jeffrey Best who's a visionary in that.
And Jeffrey had us, but the first year,

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 it had the Sundance thing, hadn't happened yet. There was a guy called David Pinsky, who was the Motorola guy we got all our phones from.

Speaker 1 They had a party. Levi's had a house, but

Speaker 1 we synthesized that thing that really ruined Sundance.

Speaker 1 And, and, but those years there, we created the championship Sunday party, which I remember I couldn't get my dear friend Matt Leinert to do it with us for some reason.

Speaker 1 But I did a party there for you. No, you were up the the street at some bullshit, and we were throwing the sickest party at Village at the Lip.

Speaker 1 But the point is, is like that was one we didn't know, but it was so new and exciting.

Speaker 1 It had never happened. And then it turned into like, it turned into the thing so much so that entourage films.
Well, I want to, I

Speaker 1 were getting like washers and dryers for crying out loud.

Speaker 1 The very next year after we aired that episode, too, I started getting calls from back home from my Brooklyn buddies who were like, hey, let's go to Folk Sunday. They wanted to go to Sunday.

Speaker 1 I'm like, we want to go see some, you want to art films. You want to go see some shorts? Like, no, bro, we want to go.

Speaker 1 They wanted to have the experience that you helped bring there. That's all they were interested in.
I'm like, wow, I never thought.

Speaker 2 I remember playing basketball in

Speaker 2 one of those houses up on the hill, somewhere in Park City.

Speaker 1 I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 With Shooter McGavin.

Speaker 1 He's still Shooter McGavin. I saw him the other day.

Speaker 1 No matter what he's in, he's in hats. Shooter McGavin.
Well, you know what? I want to ask you, too.

Speaker 1 I like Jerry's questions. We start shooting entourage, right? And there was even a time where I think I don't know if we shot, I think it was Prey at the time or whatever.
And again, I didn't go out.

Speaker 1 I'm going into

Speaker 1 switching lenses. Intellectual mode.
Yeah, thank you. Oh, oh, I remember, you know, 6 a.m.
call time, and then you're seeing the clubs at the bright, like bright daylight.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, wait a minute, we were here last night. It looks so different.
But, you know, entourage comes on. We definitely tried to emulate and show a little bit of what the LA nightlife was.

Speaker 1 I guess I'm asking you, in that respect, did you? How do you think we did? You didn't. We didn't.
Because

Speaker 1 the acuteness of what was special, you can't, extras don't work for that. Well, yeah, we couldn't show that, but in terms of like the

Speaker 1 things. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I guess so, you know, your guys were

Speaker 1 a little bit shading towards this other group of nightlife people. Okay.
But yet it's funny how you were still in all our spots. All your spots.

Speaker 1 And so, but I guess that that means I didn't have to have the corny cameo like so many people did. We name checked Teddy's, we name checked a lot of your spots.

Speaker 1 By the way, I had forgotten when I re-watched recently, I had forgotten you guys did village because you guys obviously didn't do it, you probably did it like second weekend, yeah, but but like you didn't do it when it was like you didn't you couldn't film when we were firing, you have to go back in and recreate.

Speaker 1 Yes, but yes, in answer to your question, Lev and Doug and all you guys, yes, you guys hit all the spots for sure. I mean, Entourage,

Speaker 1 this is a little

Speaker 1 name check for Jerry. I re-watched it early part of this year.
Um, I beasted through it

Speaker 1 It is other than the things that I think today would make people kind of uncomfortable which everyone talks about

Speaker 1 which you could talk about in any show

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 you guys and Doug and you guys really captured that thing this thing that we keep talking about in answer to your this last question

Speaker 1 you guys captured it, but also because That part, Adrian, that's an impossible part to play.

Speaker 1 Everyone thinks it's Mark, but it's really felt more like Leo to me. And not just because it mirrored Leo's career, not that, but because

Speaker 1 you have a guy that's in Leo's group of friends in the show. So, like, for all of us, Kevin Connolly, he's in Leo's group.
It all made sense.

Speaker 1 And although Leo is from LA, so it's different that way, but like it didn't feel like Mark as much as it did feel like Leo to us because that was all happening.

Speaker 1 But once again, that also tracked your question, exactly what was happening.

Speaker 1 So, you know, it's some real good acting and some real, those first two seasons are impeccable. So yes, the answer is yes.

Speaker 1 And even as it went and we start to see all these great characters and all the friends who showed up and Casaveti shows up, like, there's so, like, it really, for me, I'm really nostalgic.

Speaker 1 And now, now is nothing. It's nostalgia now.
Yeah. Nothing new is that good anymore.
So everybody harks back. All these, you know, the Deftones are an arena-selling band.

Speaker 1 Limp Biscuit is as big as they've ever been. Like these, it's all kind of coming around corn bigger than they've ever been.
So looking back, like you guys really did it.

Speaker 1 And I think it's important if people want to know about that time, it really felt like that. Like you said the other day,

Speaker 1 Earth Cafe didn't have 75 girls and three dudes. That's where else my friends wanted to go.
I'm like, you're coming out to California to LA to visit. It's not Earth Cafe.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, we got to take me to Earth Cafe, bro.

Speaker 2 Do you think Entourage has the same success now as it did? I mean, I know it's a different time and we talked about some of the things that we can't do what they did at all. You can't do it.

Speaker 1 Well, no, because also, you know, a lot of it was also built on, yes, the friendship was a huge part of it, the loyalty, the trust, the same dynamic you two have always had.

Speaker 1 But then I do, we always wondered, will people in Ohio or anywhere in the Midwest, like give a shit about like the inner workings of movie stuff? That's what we always wondered.

Speaker 1 Like, is it going to go right? And that's the stuff that they devoured, like Vince chasing a movie, Ari walking into the office, firing 14 people.

Speaker 1 Like they, his relationship with people ate that stuff up.

Speaker 1 I think it's fair to say, and I, and I mean this, and I'm not being hyperbolic, when you talk about the great small screen characters archie bunker tony soprano there's lots of them ari gold oh for sure so the guy won how many emmys three in a row three pete and three pete three emmys in a row that's he told me which you confirmed

Speaker 1 no improv no no improv no apple that is crazy that is crazy that's by the way as an actor great right to make it seem like you're like like it is but it's not it's great writing and then you know he was henpecked by then and and you know it's it's it's public.

Speaker 1 It's known. But like.
I think the real Ari said, if Jeremy Piven's not playing Ari,

Speaker 1 you guys can't do the show. I think the real Ari was like, it's Piven.
Like, it's got to be. So ultimately, I'm sure you're proud.
It's also interesting that you could just never do it again. No.

Speaker 1 Well, that's what I mean. Like, I think like that part, look, the business still.
goes on and there's still, but like the power deal, the power lunches. Hey, you want to meet this director at

Speaker 1 Hyde. This director wants to meet you at Hyde.
I don't think that's happening. Well, that funny old Martin Landau character got

Speaker 1 Bob Evans. These things are not happening now because the business is a bunch of bean counters and, you know, and streaming has changed everything.

Speaker 1 And there's a part about streaming that's incredible. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, but like, and like there's, as we talked about, you know, if you were an actor when I was a professional auditioner, there were no jobs. Like when I got a role on 21 Jump Street on Fox.

Speaker 1 I'm going to watch these episodes, man. I can't wait to turn this on.
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 When I got a role on that, like Fox, Fox was brand brand new they worked the thing it was built on the backs of 21 jump street and married with children and simpsons was fox early fox simps yeah maybe had to have been because it's still on fox i imagine but but but there was no jobs back then now i mean like i was saying the other day freaking sci-fi channel has 15 shows like everywhere has and then all the streamers so there's a lot of jobs it's changes the alchemy of what that was does not exist all the you know objectification of women that that doesn't fly anymore you know I'm not saying it should, but I'm saying you just, you can't, you can't capture that because that's not what would be capturable now.

Speaker 1 Right. Now you're capturing NIL and OnlyFans.
Like that's what, it's just different.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying Ari would probably be rep. Yeah, E would be managing an OnlyFans creator.
Probably, you know, dude, we know there's one of the best young kids in night in night life. It's a rich kid.

Speaker 1 He has a separate business. You know what he does? He takes these girls and he manages them in OnlyFans.

Speaker 1 More power to him, but whoa. This is probably killing it.

Speaker 1 This guy wasn't allowed to get like a thousand bucks for an apartment but like now he yeah insane but that's the way of the world we can't fight it albert einstein said beware technology you know so we're here now and and this is not going away so it's only a matter of but that i think the biggest thing too for like the shift in in the club life and you saw it so like for us we were pre i mean i got burned by the the websites and all that.

Speaker 2 And that was kind of the start of it. But where was

Speaker 2 the shift in you're like, fuck, dude, dude, these kids just like, I mean, the phone, you just talk about the technology. Like, like, when did that

Speaker 1 cameras? Is it the fact that the cameras, or is it the social media?

Speaker 2 Because now they're just in the club selfies.

Speaker 1 Well, first, before the camera, if we didn't let promoters into our clubs, my parties, no other, if you worked in nightlife, you couldn't come into our parties.

Speaker 1 Frankie was the only person I ever let in.

Speaker 2 Part of how we built that friendship.

Speaker 1 Frankie was the only one because he got it. I just, this kid got it.
My Gemini brother, like, he got it.

Speaker 1 But, like, Hart and I, like, we didn't let anybody into our clubs if you worked in in light life. Nobody, because you'd just be in there on your phone, getting up all our stuff.

Speaker 1 So that was the first thing. Or we'd take your phone.
Then came the cameras and we were stopping it to the point where it became impossible to.

Speaker 1 And then it turned like it. Hi.
Then it just turned into people walking in the club like this. You almost got to lean into it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're like, you know, I'm like, don't bang your head into the girder over there. I still say that shit.
People just walk into the phone. It's just the way it is.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 I don't mind being the get off my lawn guy, but it's fine. Because by the way, they're also, they're hyping your club at this this point.

Speaker 1 So it's a completely different model. College football is completely different.

Speaker 1 Being a young trying to work actor on HBO is completely different. Everything is different, you know, part of the, part of the state.

Speaker 1 It's funny, Connolly told me that he's like, you got, I asked John, did I roll with too many dudes back in the days when Connolly wanted to?

Speaker 1 You know, Kevin, Kevin, to me, felt like a kid who was in it, even though he didn't grow up here. He was on that TV show with the, with the fucking, with a puppet.
Unhappy. So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, he was in Granville, probably underage.

Speaker 1 And, and, you know I always just saw him as you know if you're doing the thing I went the one thing I hated when I was a kid that went to clubs I hated only seeing some knucklehead because he had a movie out like get out of here like you're only out this week because you're like you have some bad promoting your movie along you know you're just here this week or like you live here but no one knows you like it was secular there's no secular anymore when i was coming up there was the rock clubs the bougie clubs the other clubs the downtown clubs the art clubs now it just it all just became bottle service and don't matter and that's fine because you know what we made a lot of money and right and you know, that's how we support our families, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so ultimately, I have many other hustles and always have. Sometimes friends will still ask me to go be in a movie, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 Like, I've been fortunate enough to act with the most incredible people and make things and create things and do side hustles. And, like, we love this stuff, right?

Speaker 1 We're going to rip some and we love you know, sportsman abilities, sports cars. Like, I'm still the kid that way, teaching my son that, you know.

Speaker 2 Um, you got some crazy sports memorabilia.

Speaker 1 As we know, you rolled up

Speaker 1 the dick, you rolled up, dude. I have, I, and you know, I have like a

Speaker 1 sort of like a place where you keep your art and your stuff. You just keep it in like a vault somewhere, yeah, you lock it up, you pay people, and it's like temperature control.

Speaker 1 But I, I was walking off the field with Keith Rivers in the Notre Dame, the famous game where they go to the grass and crippled Desmond. They crippled some other people too.

Speaker 1 Um, walking off that, the bush-push game, and I get Reggie's gloves. I have the Reggie Bush gloves that made the Bush push.

Speaker 1 So, I have, I have, you know, as a sports fan, when you're young, I have a Kevin Garnett at Farragut Academy. It's known as the Ronnie Fields jersey.
It was his buddy that got hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Ronnie Fields sold it. I got it for like 800 bucks, but you know, that's like a $30,000 item.
Like, you know, ultimately,

Speaker 1 along the way, you collect what you like, you collect what you like. I bought a pair of LeBron game-worn shoes year two because I'm like, this is gonna be the guy.
Yeah, duh.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, like, you, you know, you collect what you like but you also collect what you you take a shot and collect what you think like my uh recently i got a miguel cabrera

Speaker 1 world series rookie game news helmet signed from his rookie season rookie everything's worth more but you know people don't realize there's only like three players that have the numbers of miguel cabrera like the greatest players in the history right might be the greatest right-handed battery i mean he's just his numbers are crazy nick chanak who's like gonna be the next Scott Boris for he works for Casey Wasserman.

Speaker 1 Nick brought him out like last couple of years ago one night when I met him. You you know, and by this point, Miggy's like, you know, 50 and like just hammer

Speaker 1 and like, you know, at Craigs with like sauce on his shirt. But I'm like,

Speaker 1 it's Miggy, don't dude.

Speaker 1 So it's like part of the great joy and part of the things that we teach our kids and part of the things that like, you know, their mothers allow us is that, you know, we still love sports.

Speaker 1 And that's something that's, it's like music. That's the tapestry of our life.
Yeah. You know, and you teach that to your kids and they get it.

Speaker 1 It's the greatest feeling in the world, you know, and they keep it going on. They keep the code going.
And so part of sticking with what you love, hanging with your tribe, because we all love it.

Speaker 1 Even,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 I basically do Super Bowl every year at Bob Downey's house. Bob Downey don't really care about sports, but he loves a good function and he has this amazing property.

Speaker 1 And on it, like, he loves that, like, Super Bowl has become this thing. It's essentially my Super Bowl party at Bob's house.
Bob don't care.

Speaker 1 I remember once we went to a Laker game and the Jerry Buss time because my old friend Rick had lived with Jerry Buss. I had the attache of the Jerry Buss crowd.

Speaker 1 We're going to the game, and this is kind of like in the time when everybody's real out of it. We roll to the game.

Speaker 1 We're walking into warm-ups at the forum, and Downey looks at me and goes, what city are the Woolridges from?

Speaker 1 What city are the Woolridges from? So once in a while, I'll send him a picture of like an Orlando Wool card that I find.

Speaker 1 But it's your friends. It's your friends who they may not care, but they love the ritual.
They love being. Yeah, the ritual is great.
And so ultimately sports and rock and roll, I think.

Speaker 1 I don't know why that one just floored me, Josh.

Speaker 2 I think we're talking about like kids. And one of the

Speaker 2 cool moments between you and I when I found out you were going to be a dad and

Speaker 2 with your son, do you see? Christina.

Speaker 1 made my life.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 And I'll fucking cry.

Speaker 2 No, well, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 Not the turn.

Speaker 2 It's just more of the kids stuff because like you have lived this life full of of just incredible, like, just everything. Like you've seen everything, right?

Speaker 2 And I feel like he and Jared, we've lived great lives. We're like, our kids, Cole's old, I have a little bit.
Do you see a lot, like,

Speaker 2 is True following in your footsteps? And does he have the same passions? I mean, I know he's a big baseball, but like as a dad.

Speaker 1 It's so hard for us.

Speaker 2 What is it like?

Speaker 2 First of all, you know, he's.

Speaker 1 He's beautiful.

Speaker 2 And he's got the hair.

Speaker 1 He's just an absolute rock. He's a mini year.
Everyone thinks their kid is, and everyone loves their kid. So I'm going to sound like the corny dad.
He loves everything I love.

Speaker 1 He has the best taste in me. I'll meet people will meet him.
He'll start reeling stuff off about like punk rock and rock and roll. And I'm like, he has better music taste than you, dude.

Speaker 1 And so, or then I'm like, than anyone you know. But yeah, with sports, what we're finding out, and I think dads and parents find this out.
I'm sure you guys have seen it.

Speaker 1 Just because they're good at something. Doesn't mean they're passionate about it.
Right. So that's been a really like

Speaker 1 True's been on a heater lately. I know.
But like, but at All-Star Practice yesterday, like, you know, he had a couple bad at-bats. He's been on a heater.

Speaker 1 But like, you know, ultimately, he's back flying home talking about the Minecraft movie we saw. Like, he, like, he, he's not going to go home and watch Dodger game to like look at stuff, you know?

Speaker 1 So the thing that's happened, which is scary,

Speaker 1 is he's

Speaker 1 he's really into the theater.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's nasty. And he's catching big parts in like first through fifth grade, but he's in second, but he's getting like the big parts that go to the fifth graders.

Speaker 1 And he's, and he's, he's super into it.

Speaker 1 Now, we are not going to go that route. Right.
But if he's into theater while he's in school, um, you know,

Speaker 1 it seems to be the thing that he's most inclined, but it also comes the easiest to him in answer to if he's

Speaker 1 really easy to him.

Speaker 2 If he's passionate, you still will try and steer him.

Speaker 1 You can talk about that when he's 18. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm kind of a little bit of a

Speaker 1 Harry Haynes, no Lafe Garretts. Yeah, no.
Like Like these people, these kids' childhoods were destroyed. And people always say, oh, well, Josh, you could navigate it better than anyone.

Speaker 1 I'm like, it's not about me. It's about him.
I'm with you and how he handles

Speaker 1 shit. We've been talking about this for an hour.
At 19, 20, 21, you guys couldn't handle shit. Oh, and now an eight-year-old is supposed to be able to handle being on a movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's scary enough who his godfathers are. You know what I mean? So it's just like,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 he's primed for it, but he has a great head on his shoulders. He's a really good student.
His mom is just on top of him. Like, she is incredible.
You know, people are like, does she work?

Speaker 1 I'm like, does she work? It's the hardest job in the world. You know, like breadwinner is the breadwinner, but the work, I mean, that's why, like, Josie, with her being a lawyer, like, insane.

Speaker 1 Insane.

Speaker 1 So, in answer to your question, yeah, like, like, I love it. I just, it's, it's, it's, you watch him, you nurture them.
Everyone always says, make sure they're having fun.

Speaker 1 Then they start to get competitive. He's also crazy competitive about everything.
He'll cheat you at, you know, at everything. You You wouldn't want anything.
He cheats his grandma. Listen.

Speaker 1 I just seen him playing soccer in the yard with his grandma the other day.

Speaker 1 I'm like, Glam,

Speaker 1 play hard defense on him. And she plays hard defense.
He gets pissed. He gets all fired up.
And he starts doing like slide kicks and knocking her against his grandmother. They do beat him.

Speaker 1 He's tiny anyway. So I think you're seeing, I mean, Mike Brady over here with your 15 kids.

Speaker 1 You do have strong Mike Brady vibes.

Speaker 1 I've been to Matt's house. It's dope.
It's just like a court of everything and riding cars and like you name it. And then there's me.
It is the last time.

Speaker 1 And there's something that's going on on the roller coaster. Are you guys done?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, dude. I mean, it's a lot.
Yeah, I got four kids. Hopefully, Cole can kind of be a surrogate.

Speaker 2 He's going to college in like eight months.

Speaker 1 Even being friends with Matt. I'm going to root for SMU.
Yeah. Being friends with Matt could get you into that because now my wife wants a third.

Speaker 1 And I think seeing you guys is definitely not.

Speaker 2 I think Josh is the wrong. Josh is like, no, don't do it.

Speaker 1 No, no, I'm just saying. We have friends who have five.
I don't even think they've met the fifth.

Speaker 1 that fifth one is gonna raise themselves like you're on your own kid they have an ipad at six months it is true we have no ipad in our house yeah no video games yeah that's the hardest thing to but it's all worth it like i will say this video games has been hard for me because i i don't i love video games i grew up on video games and no no our kids are we're pretty yeah when mimi's in town she gives them the ipad and we're just like who's that grandma this is grandma in miami and she's the best

Speaker 2 parents are allowed to no like what are we going to do she's here for four four weeks, and then we don't see her for four months. Like,

Speaker 2 they go back to normalcy pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 I've been told by every parent, the longer you stave it off, the better. So,

Speaker 2 1,000%.

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Speaker 1 All right, it's now time for the flavor of the week presented by Wendy's Find Your New favorite frosty fusions flavor today with choices like oreo brownie caramel crunch and pop-tarts strawberry you know matt i can't say i'm like the biggest beatles fan but something i am a fan but something that struck me i mean like the only greatest music musical band of all time i think that's why right look i like the beatles i like their music but it's because since i was a kid it's like you know who the greatest band is of all time the beatles got it but you know what is impressive paul mccartney at 83 years old just announced a 19-show tour in the U.S.

Speaker 1 and Canada starting September 29th in Palm Desert, California. You should go see him.
And ending back-to-back nights at the United Center in Chicago. So

Speaker 2 real quick, what do you think you're going to be doing at 83?

Speaker 1 Of course, you hope to be alive. That's number one.
I hope my heart's still beating. I can tell you this right now.

Speaker 1 If I had Paul McCartney financials.

Speaker 1 Here's what I'm not doing at 83. I'm not going on tour playing a bunch of shows, even though I love it.
Just catch me at the golf course or

Speaker 1 golfing.

Speaker 2 Good for you.

Speaker 1 He's going on tour. If you could go on tour,

Speaker 2 some people are doing golf. They're born with it.

Speaker 1 I just don't think. What are you doing at 83? Are you still doing Big Dune, bro?

Speaker 1 You're done, right?

Speaker 1 I'm dead, bro. All right, but if you happen to be alive, are you at the lake? Are you on the ocean? You're probably at a lake house.

Speaker 2 At 83, I'm for sure in a wheelchair because my body is already hurting.

Speaker 1 All right, this is getting too sad for our good friends at Wendy's. But it did get me thinking.
Spruce this up. So the Beatles, obviously, one of the greatest groups, foursomes in music history.

Speaker 1 And it got me thinking foursomes, whether it's sports and then maybe music, television. But for some reason, four seems like the number.

Speaker 1 If you think about like foursomes in golf, you go out to a restaurant, four tops,

Speaker 2 two is a good number, but it's like three is kind of a shitty number.

Speaker 1 Four is like the number. Four is a good number.
Entourage was four.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it got me thinking of some of our favorite foursomes in either sports, music, entertainment. And I have a few to discuss.
Um, do you have any?

Speaker 2 Well, I've got two. You want me to go?

Speaker 1 Let's alternate.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I could be a homer and do any Lakers.
I could do the Showtime Lakers.

Speaker 2 I could probably come up with some type of Dodgers, although the four, yeah, four, four is a little harder in baseball. Yep, I'm going with the greatest show on turf,

Speaker 2 the St. Louis Rams, before, yeah, the St.
Louis Rams, my former teammate, Kurt Warner, Marshall Falk, arguably, I think he's the most underrated running back of all time, Isaac Bruce and Tori Holt.

Speaker 2 And that, to me, wise, because one, they won a Super Bowl, but they changed kind of the game, how it was played. Now, now offense is spread out, throw, right? Like it's high scoring.

Speaker 2 Back then, they did that. They were just before their time.
And Kurt was a big part of it. And playing with Kurt, I kind of learned that because he would tell me the stories back in the day.

Speaker 2 And they would get five, Mike Martz, Mike Martz called the place and they would get five guys out and they would just run and gun, man. And it was beautiful to watch.
And I was about 16, 17.

Speaker 2 So I was kind of like, that's when I was getting recruited and to play in college and all that. So I would do, I would do the greatest show on turf.

Speaker 2 And if anyone's listening, like, go watch highlights, man. They were Marshall Falk was like, like a Reggie Bush, right? Like that I played in college.
Marshall Falk was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Like you asked Kurt. I've asked Kurt.
And we had Kurt on the show. He might have said it's the best football player.
He talked about a little bit.

Speaker 2 The best football player he's ever played with, Marshall Falk. And he's played with Hall of Famers and Hall of Famers and Hall of Famers.

Speaker 2 The second one, I'm going to give you love.

Speaker 2 I think it's Turtle, Vinnie Chase, Johnny Drama, and he.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 2 when you look back at Entourage, it is to this day one of the most iconic shows on television that I've ever watched because of the story, because of the characters,

Speaker 2 how long it lasted. I mean, you can speak more than me, but that foursome,

Speaker 2 it just worked. It was just a perfect cast perfect.
Everyone played their role perfectly. It was hilarious.
It was serious.

Speaker 2 It was everything you could imagine. And I'm not just pumping you up, bro.
It's one of the greatest forsoms of all time. And I'm still waiting for my signed entourage picture from everybody.

Speaker 1 What makes me laugh about that is I literally, I remember the line and I remember saying this line at the time, like, this is stupid. But then it actually made sense.

Speaker 1 My character has a line in one of the episodes where the dom character, our homie from back in Queens, gets out of jail and he just drops in in our life, right? And causes havoc.

Speaker 1 But Vince loves having him around and we want him gone, turtle and drama. So I remember saying the line, I think, to Connolly's character, I was like, four is just the perfect number, bro.

Speaker 1 Like, what what are we going to do? Get a minivan if we have five? Like, four is the perfect number.

Speaker 1 And at the time, I thought that was a, like, not a dumb line, but I didn't really get it. And now I do.

Speaker 1 Cause even if you look at like great shows like Seinfeld, Kramer, Jerry, George, Elaine, you know, Friends was a little different. They had six, but they had more, yeah.
I don't know. I do think

Speaker 1 like Ninja Turtles, that's one of my great foresoms of my childhood was Ninja Turtles for sure.

Speaker 1 That's actually a good question.

Speaker 1 And I think the whole history of it, you know, boy bands are probably and girl pop groups are maybe five at times, but I just think with four, the theory is there's usually something in it for everyone, right?

Speaker 1 You could kind of cover a lot of human traits with four characters that people could identify with. Now, that being said, you ready for the homer moment of the week?

Speaker 2 Can I just, can I throw out a guess? It's either going to be the New York Knicks or the New York Yankees.

Speaker 1 You are correct. It is not the Knicks because I don't think the Knicks until now have really ever had four.
Yeah, they're going to be able to. They can go back to the 90s, but, you know.

Speaker 2 But not like an elite four.

Speaker 1 I mean, this Forsome was called in New York the Core Four. That was their nickname with the Yankees.
Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 Is this like, is it, I don't know, is this, is this Jeter or is this like Jeter, Posada, Rivera, and Pettit. Oh, Pettit.
Yeah, and it's good that you mentioned A-Rod.

Speaker 1 Yes, for sure, Matt. They won four World Series in like seven years.
And they went to the the World Series two more times.

Speaker 1 So, where I got confused is I thought it was Bernie Williams, but Bernie Williams was actually older than them.

Speaker 2 Tino Martinez?

Speaker 1 So, here's why they were the core four.

Speaker 2 They were all players that came up through the Yankee system.

Speaker 1 They were Yankees from the beginning. And I think that was always why I loved it.
And not that I had issues with the 09 championship team.

Speaker 1 That was a great team, but the Yankees then took on that identity of: let's go sign Giambi, let's sign a, let's trade for A-Rod, let's acquire these big giant stars.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Layritz was a Yankee for life, man.

Speaker 1 So that core four, and we had them for so long. And then you look at the Hall, I mean, Hall of Famers right there.
So that to me is the best force of that sport.

Speaker 1 I don't want to hear.

Speaker 1 You got to give a tip of the cap, though, to the Miami Heat. We called them the Heatles, like the Beatles, because they were a show.
LeBron, D-Wade, Bosch, and

Speaker 1 they were a pretty big spectacle.

Speaker 2 We might forget Celtics, Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo.

Speaker 1 That's one ring.

Speaker 1 I'd almost put the Draymond, Steph, Clay, Durant Warriors over that if they would have stayed. The problem is it didn't end well.
They ended like a boy band. They crashed out and ended up arguing.

Speaker 2 How about, I mean, Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper?

Speaker 1 You can't argue. Phenomenal.
But I'm curious to hear some other people's because we're kind of bringing our own towns into that.

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So got to thinking, I got to go on a road trip tomorrow to Indiana. You're flying in.

Speaker 1 We're doing some stuff at the WNBA all-star weekend.

Speaker 1 Got to keep it under wraps for now, but we're shooting some fun stuff for you out there. I'm on a four and a half hour road trip.

Speaker 1 So I'm driving, so I can't obviously watch anything because I'm going to drive safely.

Speaker 1 But it got me thinking, if I was a passenger on a four-hour road trip, which is different than an airplane, what movie am I watching on a four-hour road trip as the passenger?

Speaker 1 And I have a few for you, and I know we discussed this off air. What is some of Matt's road trip movies?

Speaker 1 If you're going four hours, Josie's driving, maybe it's just the two of you driving up the coast. What are you firing up on the iPad?

Speaker 2 This one is super easy for me. I'm not going to overthink overthink it.

Speaker 2 I'm comedy through and through.

Speaker 2 That's what's going to get me. If I'm going to sleep, I'm just going to sleep.
But if I'm going to be entertained, I'm going to laugh and be entertained.

Speaker 2 It is very simple.

Speaker 2 Number three is Happy Gilmore. Number two is old school.
And number one is the hangover. And it's not even close.
The hangover is a great road trip movie. Anyway, they go on the road trip to it.

Speaker 2 Like Happy Gilmore to me is one of my favorite movies of all time old school is one of my favorite i'm a big comedy guy so old school is one of my favorite movies all in time quotable laugh like you like and those are three movies that you could watch a dozen times and still like still find it funny and still laugh at the at the dumb jokes or the scenes that are funny so it's simple like honestly it's it's like that's easy for me what's your excitement level for happy gilmore 2 about ready to drop on netflix i know that's a big plug into happy gilmore too shout out to adam sandler um and all the guys i think is justin thomas are our friend of the show that's the one thing i regret about the justin thomas interview we forgot to ask him about it was two months ago three months ago we for we were so excited to talk masters with him we forgot to ask him about but we did talk to him we did talk to him the other day about my form that was good okay uh you should shout out

Speaker 1 thank you shout out

Speaker 2 you just light up when we do that give me your movies Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. And then I got to end with, don't let me forget what I was just about to say.
All right. So I'm a little different.
Obviously, I like comedy.

Speaker 1 I can't really lock into any superhero action-y stuff while you know, I'm on a, you want, you want a big screen for that. But if I'm on a road trip as a passenger, I actually want road trip movies.

Speaker 1 It just sets the tone for me.

Speaker 1 Number three, road trip, the lack of a better phrase. I think, by the way, if you haven't seen road trip in a while, that's a worthy rewatch.
It's a funny, funny movie.

Speaker 1 Number two for me, see, I go old school with my brother here.

Speaker 1 We were big Smokey and the bandit kids big i don't know if you ever watched that that's old school trans am brew burt reynolds just coward you really are you and when you're smoking the bandit's fantastic jacket

Speaker 1 you you drive to indie and and breeze drive and you're the passenger you're going to put i would throw on smokey for sure are you have you watched smokey and the bandit

Speaker 1 i've seen it and last

Speaker 1 30 years ago Tie for first place. That's right.
I'm calling it a tie.

Speaker 1 You got to give a shout out to all the vacation movies, especially the first one, Driving the Wally World. Shout outs to Chevy Chase, Clark W.
Griswold.

Speaker 1 But then the tie for me, not a comedy, so you might not love it. Midnight Run.
De Niro.

Speaker 1 Oh, De Niro. Could you please watch Midnight Run? Basically, a bounty hunter chasing around a perp for two hours.
It's incredible. It's an incredible movie.

Speaker 2 So, but you're just a true, you're, you're speaking like a true actor. You're very diverse.
You get all these three. I just go three easy comedies to laugh at.

Speaker 1 See, I'm different. When I'm on a plane, plane, I want comedy because I just really want to zone out.

Speaker 1 And if I feel like if I'm in a car, I could, you know, if I'm a passenger, I could have my coffee and watch a nice little movie. So shout outs to Nitza.

Speaker 1 Right before we go, you mentioned Justin Thomas and how I light up with golf.

Speaker 1 One of the best things that's happened since we do the show is I can now text Justin Thomas and he writes back to us pretty timely.

Speaker 1 This dude liner did the unthinkable.

Speaker 1 We talked to him. We talked to him.
We talked to Thomas about this in the interview. Like, how many amateur Sunday golfers ask you for a swing?

Speaker 1 Matt took his clip from when you were at, were you just in Tahoe playing golf, and he texted Justin Thomas his swing, said, Break me down here. What am I doing wrong?

Speaker 1 And Justin Thomas, within seconds, gave you some instant feedback. That was incredible.
I was cracking.

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, first of all, I started by saying, guys, check out my sick golf tent, my golf content, because they track my, I had a par putt on a legit hole from about five feet out.

Speaker 2 I obviously missed it, but so I bogeyed it, which was pretty cool. But genuinely, I was like, dude, genuinely, am I standing too straight up? Because like, that's what I feel.
Yes.

Speaker 1 My club. You're tall.

Speaker 2 And I'm tall. So I'm like, and that, and that's, and then we went on this whole back and forth banter.

Speaker 1 He went in on it. He joined you.
He was like, nah, Matt, you are a little tall. I bend a little bit.
You don't want to be pushing me by not being pushed over.

Speaker 2 He was like, but you're an athlete. I said, bro, I'm old with new hips.
I mean, I'm an old athlete.

Speaker 1 I need some help.

Speaker 1 He took a dig at me and himself. He said, so it might be a little harder for you to get in a athletic posture because you're so tall and you play football.
But Jerry and I have no problem doing that.

Speaker 2 All I know is if I need to get a hold of you, I'll just start a group chat with JT because I know you'll respond right away.

Speaker 1 I got to be careful. I can't just respond to that without responding to any previous text because then I out myself.
Well, anyway. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Good episode today. Thank you, Josh Richmond, man.
What a guy.

Speaker 1 And I think we got to follow up with him down the road with stuff. Like some, we have to bring in like a question.
Like, hey, Josh, we're going to specifically talk about this.

Speaker 1 Come give us your take as a friend of the show. So, shout outs, Josh Richmond.
We're off to Indiana, Indianapolis, WNBA, All-Star Weekend, content coming from us there.

Speaker 1 And yeah, we'll see you next week. All right.
Peace.