NFL Training Camp Memories, Great Comedy Sequels & the Entourage Pilot

Speaker 1 I was just picturing you in a crisis and just how panicky you would be.

Speaker 2 Oh, see, you got me all wrong though, Leiner. Little things will drive me absolutely crazy.
If I like went outside and my car got stolen, I'd be like, wow, that's crazy. I wouldn't care.

Speaker 2 But if I went out and there was like a weird little scratch, I would freak out.

Speaker 1 A little wound tight is how I would describe you.

Speaker 2 It's not fun, dude. It's not fun.

Speaker 2 We are back, everybody. Another episode of Throwbacks.
Me, Maddie Ice. How you doing, buddy?

Speaker 1 I'm good, buddy. How are you, man? You really

Speaker 1 from last week?

Speaker 2 Well, first off, I'm answering incoming emails and texts still about the Josh Richmond episode.

Speaker 2 I just got an email from a high-ranking studio executive that's like, I can't believe you had Josh Richmond on.

Speaker 1 Wow, that brought back.

Speaker 2 He was like, that just brought me back in time to maybe even a better day.

Speaker 2 And yeah, we all enjoyed that. I love that episode.

Speaker 1 I hope everyone who listened, just like, especially if they've kind of been on that journey that we were on, at least experienced like Hollywood in its best era.

Speaker 1 And not just because of Josh, just because that was pre-social media, pre-phones, and like you could really let loose and kind of do your thing. But he is like,

Speaker 1 I don't know how to describe him because he's one of one, right? He's just one of a kind. His stories, his path to that point, like what, like, it's just, he was phenomenal, man.

Speaker 1 It was, I mean, we could have talked hours with him.

Speaker 2 And, and look, he's a truth teller. He texted us.
He's like, just heard from Keanu about the episode. I'm like, wait a minute, you telling me Keanu Reeves,

Speaker 1 you know, he sent that to Keanu. He probably sent it to Robert Downey Jr.

Speaker 1 He probably sent it to Depp. I mean, and that's the thing.
Those are his three best friends. He said Keanu loved the episode.

Speaker 2 Now I'm like freaking because Keanu Reeves is my guy. That's like my

Speaker 2 dude. I respect the hell out of that guy.
He's one of my favorite actors.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 1 I took, I don't even know if we talked about this. Keanu, I was with Josh one day.
Cole was probably four, five, or six. He's probably around that time.
We went to Keanu's house.

Speaker 1 and went swimming because we were up in the hills. And I was like, you know, I had Cole at that time.
I think I was, I was playing. So I was home.
I was like, hey, what should we do?

Speaker 1 He's like, hey, let's go to Keanu's house and go use the pool. He wasn't even there.
I just was at Keanu's house using the pool, just with me, Cole, and Josh.

Speaker 2 If memory serves me in replacements, I feel like he was a lefty quarterback, too. And there's this, by the way, he's this other legend that the Ravens invited him to camp.
They liked him so much.

Speaker 1 You always talk about actors being athletes in a movie and how bad they looked. He looked pretty good in the replacement.
He looked real.

Speaker 2 He looked like a quarterback who could sling that day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the long black hair, good-looking dude. Keanu's a G, man.
Like, what a legend.

Speaker 2 Well, we just had a good little quick trip. I actually got to see you in person.
We went to Indiana, Indianapolis, to where the WNBA all-star weekend was. And we did this fun shoot for Nissan.

Speaker 2 We'll talk a little bit more about it later. And we got some stuff coming to you content-wise.
But I got a few takeaways from a road trip to Indianapolis. I drove from Cleveland.
It's four hours.

Speaker 2 Four is now officially my max.

Speaker 2 Can't do more than four. Stuff starts hurting.
I did the game where I just started calling people till people picked up. You were on a plane, so I couldn't even call you.
You're like my one.

Speaker 1 It's a great opportunity to get your phone calls out the way. That's for sure.
Mom always picks up.

Speaker 2 Connolly never picks up.

Speaker 2 So many of my friends, Brie, 50-50.

Speaker 1 Let me actually, you know what? Let me ask you a question. Outside of your mom and your wife, who did you call on the road trip? Like,

Speaker 1 did you call an agent?

Speaker 2 Do you call it? I did connect with Connolly. I said, Kevin, I need you to eat up some innings.

Speaker 2 That's what I sent him a text after when I pulled over for gas after he didn't answer i'm like you gotta call me back and eat up some innings on this road trip my boy mac uh cincinnati kid lives in new york great chef has a great pizza spot in brooklyn mo's general and uh yeah i went like two or three 45 minute calls an audio and a pod and an audio book and i was done so what was your so so indianapolis that was your first time there First time there.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you see it so much, especially with this Knicks

Speaker 2 ECF, the downtown Market Square. So I didn't know know what I was rolling up to.
I know the Midwest pretty well, but I do got to say, downtown Indianapolis, good sports city, good layout for sports.

Speaker 2 Didn't even realize the speedway was right down there.

Speaker 1 It was crazy. We've been there for the Big Ten Championship game pretty much every year.
And so we're always there in December.

Speaker 1 It's cold, a little snowy, but it's such a cool downtown because you walk everywhere.

Speaker 1 It's just, it's just nice. It's like just, it's a nice downtown.
It's not one of these downtowns that's kind of, you know, turned to shit. So

Speaker 1 you walk everywhere. I, I felt like the WMBA all-star weekend,

Speaker 1 it was pretty big, dude. Like I was

Speaker 1 like, great town. Obviously, Caitlin Clark being there and the fever, even though she didn't play, that obviously makes it bigger.
You can, you could, you could feel that.

Speaker 1 But I was, I was really surprised and kind of like taken back of like how bad, how big it felt. People walking around, the square there, the jerseys everywhere, you know, the activations, right?

Speaker 1 They had the courts everywhere. Yeah.
It's just really cars.

Speaker 2 We walked into the Intercontinental Hotel downtown.

Speaker 1 I think the entire

Speaker 1 All-Star weekend was staying there. We hung out with both All-Star teams pretty much all weekend by chance.

Speaker 2 And then I remember, too,

Speaker 2 I remember Josh Hart saying in an interview. He doesn't like one of his least favorite road stops is Indy.
He didn't say why. He just said, I don't really like going to Indy.
However,

Speaker 2 they have maybe one of my favorite restaurants on the road, St. Elmo's, which is an old school steak joint.
I was excited to go. We had a big Sinclair team dinner there.

Speaker 1 We roll in that.

Speaker 2 And again, half the WNBA was there. And I'm not going to lie, I

Speaker 2 kicked out over some of the players.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was going to say, you didn't, you weren't, you weren't thrilled on St. Elmo.
St. Elmo's is fire.

Speaker 1 No, I thought it was great. I thought it was great.
Well, dude, we were sitting next. We saw, I mean, gosh, we saw, well, I saw Elisa Leslie.
I actually waved Elisa Leslie because she's a Trojan.

Speaker 1 I don't think, I've met her a bunch. I don't think she knew it was me because she looked at me kind of.

Speaker 1 I feel like, yeah, you know, yeah, no, I think she does, but she looked at me like, who the fuck is this guy like waving at me? Because I didn't go in there because they were in that room.

Speaker 1 Saw, we saw Sophie Cunningham.

Speaker 2 Sophie Cunningham is where I'm basically saying

Speaker 1 she walked by you and you froze up.

Speaker 2 You're like, I like held the door.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, damn, like, she's, she's pretty, she's cool. Uh, Kelsey Plum.
We saw everybody. It was, it was freaking cool, man.

Speaker 2 Like, and you know what I realized too? I'm even short in the middle.

Speaker 1 Well, I was about to say, dude, I felt I felt short next to all of these ladies who were like, and you know, they're all wearing heels and shit. So they're all like, like,

Speaker 1 Aaliyah Boston. We were with Aaliyah.
That's what we shot some content with Aaliyah's great. I mean, Aaliyah's 6'4, 6'5.

Speaker 1 I felt bad for you because when I'm, you know, like it reminded me, like, honestly, like when I'm in a huddle, like all my linemen are, you know, 6'4 to 6'7. So I just feel the average.

Speaker 1 I was like, man, Jerry, you gotta feel just real fucking short.

Speaker 2 The best thing, though, something you will never experience. You'll never experience this.
What it's like. Is being in a crowded restaurant like that with a bunch of other rather big, tall people.

Speaker 2 I can slip out of that place so fast.

Speaker 1 You're the king of Houdini. You have no problem slipping out of any place.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 After you almost murdered Eric Wells with the horseradish at well,

Speaker 1 we're going to post that video. So

Speaker 1 I told you about this. So St.
Elmo's is great kind of old school steakhouse, great food, great vibe, energy, everything about it.

Speaker 1 They're known for like their shrimp cocktail with their horseradish, horseradish sauce. We did that on the show last year.
Mark, me and Mark on Big News showed you the videos. Fucking hysterical.

Speaker 2 Mark, you almost killed Mark on the air.

Speaker 1 It's so funny. Well, I have to post these clips, but I did it.
And it just.

Speaker 1 It, you like smelling salts will hit you and you just kind of like this thing, it, it hits you way up to your brain, dude. And Wellsy, you didn't tell him.

Speaker 2 That's what I thought you did. That was dirty.
You didn't tell him.

Speaker 1 You didn't.

Speaker 2 You downplayed the, yeah, that, that stuff was putting people on the floor.

Speaker 1 Did you watch the all-star game? Were you? I did.

Speaker 2 I watched some of it because I drove back and then I came right back into Fatherhood. So I watched as much as I could.
I don't really watch any of the all-star stuff like I wish I could.

Speaker 2 That's something that I love.

Speaker 1 I watched the three-point contest. It was like, it was, it was cool.
Like, look, look, shout out to WNBA. They had a great weekend.
It was star-studded.

Speaker 1 Seemed like it was a lot going on. There's a lot of partying going on.
We saw, I saw a lot of those clips. They were getting after it.

Speaker 2 You did the annoying thing. Like you texted me when you landed and got to the hotel and you're like, where are you? I'm in the gym.
I'm like, great. Thanks, bud.

Speaker 1 Thanks, dude.

Speaker 2 Thanks for shaming me because you flew three hours to Indy. I drove in and you rushed right to the gym as soon as you got to the bottom.

Speaker 1 I didn't rush to the gym. I just went to get a little sweat.
I'm one of those guys. If I'm on the road in the hotel, I just need to get a 30-minute sweat.

Speaker 1 You said, is the, by the way, your, your comment, like, talk about high maintenance. Your comment was,

Speaker 1 how's a gym? Is it nice? Well, one, is it nice?

Speaker 2 I said, is it empty?

Speaker 1 Fair. And you go, is it empty? I'm like, who gives a shit if it's empty or not?

Speaker 2 Meaning, like, if I wanted to come hit a treadmill or an elliptical, is there one open? Or am I going to sit there like an asshole? Like, all right, I'm here while you work out, like spotting you.

Speaker 1 I was solo by myself.

Speaker 2 Do you get any

Speaker 2 PTSD from this time of year, knowing that like camp is opening up and starting to hear these guys you know you like

Speaker 1 you're happy that part of your life is over the camp part the first year that i was out of the league that i like i was you know i knew i was done i didn't i if i can go back i don't i don't really think like i wasn't like I was more just like shit like I think it's done.

Speaker 1 I didn't really think like, what's next? I wasn't one of those panicking, right? Like, I just was like, it kind of just was done. And I'm like, well, shit, I'm going to sleep in.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm just going to relax. I probably relaxed for a couple of months and then I got the itch of just wanting to do something.
Do something.

Speaker 1 I got to say, that's why I I got into TV right away but I did not miss

Speaker 2 camp all right we're gonna do some we're gonna do our Nissan moment we'll do some best and worst stuff but are you even hearing anything yet I mean I know they're just reporting yet is there because this is the first year now I'm officially ready for football I enjoyed the break of basketball

Speaker 2 I enjoyed having like the month of July to just hang with the kids and not really think about sports too too much

Speaker 2 and now I'm I'm watching the quarterback show and I'm starting to get pulled in a little bit. And I'm trying to figure out just where's the surprise team.

Speaker 2 There's always a team or two that upgrades five or six wins even from the previous year. And they don't have the same repeat playoff team.
There's always three or four new playoff teams.

Speaker 2 I don't really have the feel yet. Do you have any feel for maybe that surprise team that might be lurking? I don't have it yet.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 gosh.

Speaker 1 I gotta think the Bengals are gonna be better they can't allow i think the bangles are gonna be better i think i think the steelers i think i i think sucks though i mean it's i'm sucking meaning it's yeah i'm not like one of those oh aaron they got roger steelers or not like i just think they're gonna be better um

Speaker 1 and i think the chargers are gonna be pretty good dude i think i mean again

Speaker 2 they were god they were in the playoffs last year right yeah everyone's very high on the broncos that's the stuff i'm starting to hear there's a lot of broncos listen man we still got a little bit of time before camp.

Speaker 1 I'd rather

Speaker 1 talk

Speaker 1 football.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't want to say it because this is, I mean, Philly is one of my least favorite teams, but they're really. I have an eerie, terrible feeling that Dallas is going to be really good this year.

Speaker 2 And it makes me sick because I enjoy them being bad.

Speaker 1 They should be good every year. They got the

Speaker 1 quarterback last year. Dak was out for the whole, you know, missed basically the whole year.

Speaker 2 So they didn't have a quarterback last year. Now Dak's back, new coach.

Speaker 2 you know, picking up.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you, let me ask you a more important question in regards to fantasy football. Okay.
How many mock drafts do you do

Speaker 1 from probably,

Speaker 1 probably now? We're probably getting pretty close till all your drafts happen.

Speaker 2 I'll do one in the next like week or two just to feel it out. Well, for now, meaning like now, I'll do one, just like totally take some flyers.

Speaker 2 And then as once we get into like first week of August, second week of August, I'll definitely do three or four snake ones.

Speaker 2 And I'll always do, and I'm trying, I want you to partner up with me on this one team.

Speaker 2 I always do an auction mock draft, which to me is the most fun because you can get whatever player you want if you're just willing to pay your budget.

Speaker 2 So, but yeah, who's the number one pick of fantasy this year? You got the number one pick.

Speaker 1 I don't know, but I'll probably do a hundred drafts between now and my.

Speaker 2 But you don't know who the consensus number one, if you right now are like, hey, you're on the clock.

Speaker 1 I think Jamar Chase is kind of consensus i think bijan robinson is up there um i mean i could pull it up i think it's i think it's like jamar bijan i think jefferson is still really high

Speaker 2 i feel like c-mac is gonna once again like always

Speaker 2 swing so many

Speaker 2 yeah saquan obviously but i feel like c-mac's gonna swing so many things because whoever has the guts to take him wherever he falls to is and if they get the health luck of it is then basically gonna have the number one pick at like seven or eight i've had him almost every year and when he's playing, he's fucking great.

Speaker 2 Did you ever care? So wait, I'm trying to think because I've been doing fantasy forever.

Speaker 2 When you were playing, it wasn't as big of a thing. Like players didn't even care about it.
Maurice Drew was the first player that I remember to validate fantasy football.

Speaker 2 He like took the knee famously at the one and then apologized to his fantasy owners.

Speaker 1 It never took the knee. It never really was a thing.
I think I remember hearing rumblings about it. Like, not that it was like foreign.

Speaker 1 I just didn't watch, like, I didn't watch fantasy shows while I was playing football. Like, it just wasn't, it wasn't a thing.

Speaker 1 Like, we, and I don't even know if we were allowed to play fantasy football because you're essentially almost

Speaker 1 you're like betting on, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So, like, I did remember some of the kickers, I think, I think it was in Oakland or it was in Houston that they would, they knew about fantasy football, but it wasn't like, it just wasn't a thing.

Speaker 1 And then a handful of years later, like you, like, it's like knowing the spread, right? All right. But we're getting close, bro.

Speaker 2 We're getting close. Not only are we getting close, and we spoke about my little road trip to Indy for Nissan.
That's what we did the spot with with Aaliyah Boston.

Speaker 2 It's now time to do a little all-time adventures driven by Nissan, the 2025 Nissan Pathfinder Rock Creek, which Matt Leiner drove all throughout Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 I drove that, I drove that car for about two and a half hours, probably more. With cameras,

Speaker 1 four hours, cameras everywhere. I'll tell you what, the Rock Creek is great.

Speaker 2 Well, it is adventure-ready and free from new tariffs. So I thought that it is, everyone's reporting to camp.
We teased it earlier.

Speaker 2 What are some of your just, what are some of the worst parts of training camp for an NFL player?

Speaker 1 Being in a city where it's 100 degrees and 100% humidity like Houston, Texas.

Speaker 1 Training camp is,

Speaker 1 there's a couple of ways to look at it. One, it's exciting because you're back, right?

Speaker 1 You're back and like, you know, the season's right around the corner and you're back with the fellas and and you got the locker room and and you're grinding and all that like it it's it's it is it is fun to be back after a break it's like even now like for my job like i'm i'm starting to get the itch like i can't wait to get back on the road with you guys time ball you know it's just time it just it just you flip a switch and it's just time to lock in the the schedule is is a lot dude it's like the first typically like three weeks of training camp the first 10 11 days maybe a few more are like are those are your longest days man those are like gosh 7 a.m to like 9 o'clock at night all day, double days.

Speaker 1 And double days are not double days anymore. You can't go back to back pad practice.
You can go pad practice, then you go like a glorified walkthrough in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 Then the next day is just a full practice, but then meetings after. So, like, it's definitely not as bad as it used to be, but it's just a grind, man.
It's, it's tiring. It's a lot.
You're up early.

Speaker 1 You're weightlifting. You're practicing for three hours.
You're going straight to meetings. You get maybe an hour and a half off for lunch or you meet again, whatever you want to do.

Speaker 1 And then you get, you go back and you tape and you go get ready for the second practice. Then after that, you got dinner and then dinner, then you go in your night meetings.

Speaker 1 Night meetings are usually like, could be like 7.30 to 9.30 or 8 to 10.

Speaker 2 Is that like during dinner or you eat dinner and go to your night meeting?

Speaker 1 You're just, you're just, dude, you're just constantly, you're just in meetings and practice and eating all day. And are you in a dorm or a hotel?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the cool thing for Arizona, I think they do it because

Speaker 1 we didn't have an indoor facility. So we used to go up to Flagstaff, which is about three hours

Speaker 1 which is about two hours two and a half hours but it's it's elevation it's in the mountains of snow it's oh so it's cool okay oh man we would be up there it'd be 65 in the middle of a forest it was beautiful flagstaff we'd be at nau northern arizona university so that was dorms so that was real dorm life like i i shared a room with kurt warner i remember we shared a room you and kurt were in a room yeah we shared a dorm and like are your beds close like are you just like

Speaker 1 we had our we had our own bedroom but bedrooms so it was like a common rooms and a common area. Okay.
And then you go out.

Speaker 1 So it's so funny.

Speaker 2 I'm just picturing you guys like, Kurt, I told you, man, put your dishes in the sink, dude.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine, like, right now, like Aaron Rodgers is 42 and he's, you know, he's in the dorm. Like, you know, he's in the dorm.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, like, if he's at camp, does he go to camp? Yeah, I think he goes to camp.

Speaker 1 But that part, that part is awesome. But that's just the grind, man.
And then Houston, I remember getting to Houston and I was like,

Speaker 1 it was 30, I think it was 30 consecutive days of 100 degrees and like 90% humidity, right? And that was like a record of the time.

Speaker 1 And I mean, dude, you're literally losing like weight six to 10 pounds of practice of water weight.

Speaker 1 So like, I remember we walk off and you'd be guzzling Gatorades or, you know, you would just be like, boom, boom, boom, put the weight back on and then you lose it again.

Speaker 1 And they take care of us. You know, we'd practice early in the morning to beat the heat, the afternoon.

Speaker 1 Sometimes we'd practice outside just to get acclimated to it a little bit or we go in the indoor.

Speaker 1 And then in Oakland, Oakland was dope though, dude, because Oakland, I don't know if they still, oh, they're in Vegas now. We used to do it up in Napa, so our Napa was hot as shit too.

Speaker 1 But we were doing it at the hotel right there. They built a facility like that.
The hotel, the practice facility was right behind the hotel. It was kind of built into the hotel.

Speaker 1 We would go to like wineries for like our rookie night. Like it was, it was.
Well, that's what I'm going to ask you.

Speaker 2 What fun is there to be had at camp? Whatever little off time you get, which is not much, what is it just?

Speaker 1 You would get the same thing you'd hear. You'd go, maybe we did like a comedy night, I think, in one of them.
Maybe there's bowl. We did bowling one night, I think, in Houston.

Speaker 2 Team building kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you maybe go to a movie. At USC, we went to the AVP, the volleyball tournament.
Pete would take us down to Manhattan Beach for the AVP.

Speaker 1 So there's, there's, or you always hear a little inkling, like it's Monday, and like we would start hearing, like, hey, Wednesday, there's no practice, but it wasn't, but it was on the schedules.

Speaker 1 You'd start to hear that, yeah, like little kids, like no school, right? So we get fired up.

Speaker 1 We'd have off day, like, hey, you're off until, if it's Wednesday morning, hey, you're off until Friday morning. Go home, do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 Like, we'd have some of the, after like, about would you go like right home, like leave

Speaker 1 the camp? In Arizona, you would drive home because you're two hours. Um, Houston, it was right there at the facility.
Yeah, so you just, you just, you just get away, right?

Speaker 2 So it's, it's a grind, dude.

Speaker 1 The first couple of weeks are a grind. And then after that, you start to get into preseason.
And then that's when like an actual game week is. So you start to, you start to simulate that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Simulate a a game week, you know, the times, the meetings, but you go home after practice, right? So

Speaker 1 it's a grind, man. It definitely is a mental grind.
I'd say it's probably the hardest part about the season is just getting through camp. Cause then once the games are, it's, it's fun, you know?

Speaker 2 I feel like I would for sure be the teammate that organizes the video game tournament for the T in off time, whatever.

Speaker 1 We had a little off time. You wanted to in Arizona? I would be that guy.
In Arizona,

Speaker 1 we were up in Flagstaff. There's nothing in Flagstaff.
Again, it's really pretty, but there's nothing. All they had was like a Walmart up there, dude.

Speaker 1 So we would go up to Walmart and like, that would be like our version of like, hey, let's go to Walmart today. And like, if you had like a couple hours in between practices,

Speaker 1 you need to go get it. Like, honestly, we go get an Xbox or you go get a fan or you get a pillow, whatever, you know, something you forgot.
Like Walmart was our place to go in Flagstaff.

Speaker 2 Now, did you ever witness any of those crazy camp fights? Anything ever happened in your run?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's always camp fights. Always because you're tired of playing the same dude.

Speaker 1 I mean, no matter what level, high school, college, pro, it's like once you, when you go ahead, when you go against the same defense, the same guys up front, the same, and there's also a lot of guys that just jaw, right?

Speaker 1 They just talk shit regardless. After two weeks, it just gets old.
And you just be like, dude, shut the F up, man. Like, you know, shut.

Speaker 1 And then guys up front, linemen, they're always just getting after it a little bit. And then, yeah, that shit's real, though.
And every coach likes that.

Speaker 2 Well, that's what I was going to say. Every coach probably likes that.
And every coach, I got to imagine.

Speaker 2 I was going to try to ask you, are there any coaches that may have been harder at camp than others? I feel like every coach during camp is dead serious and working, you guys.

Speaker 2 There's no like easy coaching during camp.

Speaker 1 I don't think there's any easy way out. I think it's sometimes like

Speaker 1 an example of that would be like, like, you know, giving us a night off or like, hey, no meetings tonight. Right.

Speaker 2 That's the best you could do.

Speaker 1 Especially when you're, you're just, dude, when you get to camp, the first 10, 11 days are just a grind. Like, it is what it is.
Like, you're just, you're just in it.

Speaker 1 Like, you're just going, you're going. And you're trying to, you're trying to play cards.

Speaker 1 You're trying to like, you know, know, you watch, you get away from it because you're consuming it literally every day, but it is like it's, it's, it's install every day.

Speaker 1 And, and for rookies, it's trying to catch up to all the vets.

Speaker 2 And that's what I want. Are rookies more guys are trying to make the roster, you know?

Speaker 1 So like, it's serious.

Speaker 2 I feel like there's probably a lot of over-eager rookies, first camps, and just ready to treat it like it's game day from the moment they walk in. Or maybe there's some deer in the headlights, too.

Speaker 1 I would say it's more deer in the headlights for sure. Now, at that point, you go through, you know, like when you're drafted, you go through rookie minicamp

Speaker 1 um which which is like in may and that's just rookies right so like you'll have all your drafted rookies and then your free agent so it could be anywhere from like you know 10 to 20 players and then the mandatory uh minicamp which is everybody so the so you do get a chance like i remember in arizona how about this i'd tell this story so i remember so rookie minicamp i'm fine then it's team minicamp and i'm there with everybody kurt everybody and you're there and you get three or four days of real practice like seven on seven team all that.

Speaker 1 And then, and then you're pretty much off. I held out for my contract in my year, um,

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 10, 12 days into minicamp. So, I barely didn't even go to rookie minicamp in my first, like, or our training camp.

Speaker 1 I was like a week late because I was holding out, I was like, you know, a quarterback. And at that, my agent at the time was Tom Condon.
He got me a great deal.

Speaker 1 People, I don't feel like a lot of players were holding out back then, right? This is not that good.

Speaker 1 There were QBs holding out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I came back probably

Speaker 1 four days before we played the New England.

Speaker 2 How does that feel walking in and holding out, but you sign? Like, did you feel anything?

Speaker 1 No, I think, you know,

Speaker 1 I was always really well liked and responded. Like, I think my teammates, I mean, I would say, like, I think my teammates

Speaker 1 love me. Yeah, but they also, yeah, it is a bit, they get it.
Everyone gets it. And like, they got to meet me in the summer.
They got, I was there. Like, I was always very likable.

Speaker 1 All my teammates, I would say, love. I hung out with everybody.
Like, I was always just a great teammate.

Speaker 1 So like going in, they kind of already knew, they knew I wasn't like this some hot shot, whatever. They, they just were like, oh, yeah, dude, get yours.
Like, you know, you'll be fine, whatever.

Speaker 1 Um, but I remember coming in and I was like four days before playing New England. And then

Speaker 1 they were loaded, you know, like I remember like rest in peace, but it was Junior Saya, Willie Mac, Vrabel, gosh, Brewski. And I can't.

Speaker 1 Those are the pats. And I balled, dude.
I balled in the first game, man. I balled in the first game.
I I ran for like 60 yards. I was like, I was running all over the place.
I threw a touchdown.

Speaker 1 It was my first ever game. And then that was the same preseason, Denny Green.

Speaker 2 That was your technical first NFL game. It was just going off against them.

Speaker 1 My first NFL game was that. My second, I think maybe Denver.
My third was at Chicago, which started the whole Denny Green. That's why we've had him in Chicago.
I started that game.

Speaker 1 And then the fourth.

Speaker 2 And I knew you were better and you let him off the hook. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's good memories, man. Yeah, but China came to grind, bro.

Speaker 2 We don't have anything like that, really, with acting.

Speaker 1 But your days are grinds too, dude. Your days are grinds too.
Different grinds.

Speaker 1 Different grind.

Speaker 2 Obviously, there's like rehearsal time. It's different with the show because when you start a show, you know you're about to go in for like seven, eight months, right? So it's not so much like camp.

Speaker 2 There's like little rehearsals, table readings. You'll go do wardrobe for 12 hours where they'll fit you for 100 different outfits.

Speaker 2 We don't really have anything that simulates what you guys go through unless you're doing a movie.

Speaker 2 Because then, when you go off and you do like an indie film, some smaller budget film in the Midwest or some small town where you're staying in like a dorm and all you have is each other.

Speaker 2 You only have each other as entertainment and social life outside of work.

Speaker 1 You would, I mean, you were, and maybe it's different because you were a lead on a major show. I, I have a friend who was a lead on a major show, and she

Speaker 1 like she was in almost every scene, like in the show, right?

Speaker 1 Like, literally, like, so it was like 14-hour days every day with, with, like, maybe it's not seven days a week, I don't know, but like, it's almost every day.

Speaker 2 It's at least five days a week. Yeah, now this is how you know that's the best part of when a show starts to become successful because early entourage days, right? It's all about days.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so when we're just starting and no one cares or knows who we are, we don't have a lot of money. So, we're doing five-day episodes for 30-page scripts, right? Those are all 15, 16-hour days.

Speaker 2 And in the early days, the four guys, me, Dylan, Connolly, Adrian, even if it was a scene about Adrian and Connolly, me and Dylan are still in the background, just being dicks.

Speaker 2 So we were there for everything. But then as you get to like season three, four, you get more money and more money.

Speaker 2 By the end, by season eight, eight hour days, nine to five, show up at nine because you have like, you have like 11 days to shoot 30 pages as opposed to five.

Speaker 2 So that's really how it goes with television. The more success you get, the more money.
and it it's just more time that's all the money in hollywood is is time yeah

Speaker 2 how how i was i'm i've never asked you this how do you memorize your lines what is your process of lines because i i can imagine you were you weren't you weren't ad-libbing a ton right you like no we didn't ad-lib well with entourage we didn't ad-lib at all um i'm very lucky because i have a photographic you can just remember yeah no when i say photographic i mean i can close my eyes and i could still think of a page in the script from the pilot where I could tell you where in the sentence the last word was before it began the new sentence.

Speaker 1 I have a photographic memory.

Speaker 2 With power, it was a little different because that photographic memory is helpful. But when you're saying stuff like prosecutorial malfeasance, it's like, I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 2 I need help. So it was a slower learning process because you don't know what the hell you're saying.
But

Speaker 2 I've seen some people tape lines, meaning like they'll tape all your your lines and leave a space for theirs. So they'll be driving and they'll hit play and they'll hear your line.

Speaker 2 So that's how everyone does it differently. I've fortunately never had line issues.
Some people do. A lot of people have.

Speaker 1 Oh, I can imagine.

Speaker 2 And that takes up a lot of time when someone. Look, I always say the worst thing, I think we talked about it in a different episode.

Speaker 2 The worst thing someone can do as an actor on any set is show up and not know your lines.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 And the last thing that the only similarity, obviously, there's nothing physical, but I even joke around with you when we do this show where it's like, I calibrated the coffee at just the right time.

Speaker 2 The thing that any rookie actor would probably need to learn right away on a film or TV set is brokering your energy. Like you cannot come out unless the scene calls for it.

Speaker 2 You just gotta, you gotta calibrate calibrate and broker out your energy perfectly because it's a long day and your big close-up on your big scene might be an hour 14. You don't know.
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Speaker 2 Are you ready for obviously it's golf-related, my favorite sports moment of the week? Are you ready for this? So you obviously watched the British Open. You're going.

Speaker 2 Can you tell everybody where you're going this weekend?

Speaker 1 I'm going to Scotland this weekend with my boys at Travis Matthew. Shout out to Travis Matthew.
I'm playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, St. Andrews, I'm playing the old course.

Speaker 1 I'm playing, let me pull this up. Castle course? Is that Castle Course? Oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, so

Speaker 1 I'm playing the Castle Course day one and the Old Course day two.

Speaker 2 So mission accomplished. I got Liner to

Speaker 1 play golf.

Speaker 2 He's flying to Scotland.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's no more of

Speaker 1 Tahoe a couple weeks ago. I'm going to Scotland to play with some of the boys.

Speaker 1 I'm going to reunite my boy Reggie. Reggie will be there.

Speaker 2 Shout out to Argonne. Well, I want lots of pictures and videos sent to me personally from that trip.
So, my favorite sports moment of the week, it was Godfrey. It was Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 2 Now, we all know he won the British Open, but did you see his interview before the Open?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was pretty good.

Speaker 2 His press conference, he basically had an existential crisis, but not one like that he needed help for. I think he's been dealing with this probably his whole career.

Speaker 2 And he questioned what the point of all this is. He's like, You win, it's great for two minutes, and I'm back here next week, and I'm trying to figure out a way to win.

Speaker 2 And why do I want to win this tournament so bad? Because it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 It sounded like he was having a little bit of a midlife crisis.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I loved it. And then he goes out and he blisters everybody like tiger freaking woods and wins by a hundred strokes.

Speaker 2 Then he takes the claret jug from the British Open, flies with it to New York, and goes to the Happy Gilmore two-prior. Is that not you think you've been the best five-day stretch of any athlete ever?

Speaker 1 But let me ask you a question because Scheffler's the best in the game. Yes, by far.
By far.

Speaker 1 You know, like he just, especially the last couple of years, if it's any other person that says that in that sport, are they I don't even actually

Speaker 1 love the game. That's why they're not winning.
Everyone actually came out and like kind of applauded him for just being honest. Like, dude, he's, he's grinding.
Like, he's, he's a family guy.

Speaker 1 He grinds. Like, obviously, he loves golf, but like, you can tell that it's like, dude, that, like, they play every week, and it's a, it's a probably a mental approach.
But if that's anybody else,

Speaker 1 I think we're questioning their desire to like, dude, if that's Rory McElroy, like, oh, he's getting crushed. Oh, he's getting absolutely fucking.

Speaker 2 This is why Rory doesn't win, doesn't have 15 majors yet.

Speaker 1 I love him.

Speaker 1 I love any time.

Speaker 1 And it's, it's a different world now, but like when I was playing, it felt me personally kind of felt like you were always muzzled, right?

Speaker 1 Like you just couldn't really say what you wanted because you were afraid. Like, like we talk about cancel culture and all that, not even that.

Speaker 1 You're just like, you know, you're just afraid to say something because you can't have feelings. Whatever.
You just can't. You got to be like, yeah, you know, like, whatever.

Speaker 1 Like soft. If you were like Roger says whatever he wants, but he's also a hall of famer, right? So there's guys that can kind of just get away with it.

Speaker 1 I love, and we've talked about it now, like all these players have podcasts and like they just, they kind of say what's on their mind for better or for worse. I enjoy it.
I like it.

Speaker 1 I like the vulnerability. I like the honest, like, like, we don't like, yeah, he makes a shit ton of money.
He's a great golfer.

Speaker 1 He flies on a private jet everywhere, but like, the dude is still a real, like a human being with a family that's away from his family all the time. I'm absolutely

Speaker 2 fascinated by Scotty Scheffler because he does not

Speaker 2 ever release a show.

Speaker 2 He doesn't.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 like, this guy basically so put up his mugshots. Like, this guy's been in and out of jail for a year.
He's just one British show.

Speaker 1 Just, yeah, in and out of jail.

Speaker 2 I think he's one of the more fascinating athletes because,

Speaker 2 you know, he gets a little bit of shit because it's like, oh, he doesn't really show emotion on the course. Every now and then you get a little fire from him, but like, it's ho-hum.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to make these birdies.

Speaker 1 He's got a little, I was, I was listening to Jordan Speeth. He's got a little tiger in him when it was like Tiger.

Speaker 1 Like Tiger just kept to himself, right? Like he just kind of did his thing. He like, yes.

Speaker 2 Now, those

Speaker 1 they seem very different personality. Like Tiger was like just polarizing and like everyone was like, yeah, he has no friends on the tour.

Speaker 1 Like, I think Speed, unless it was a fucking AI video, but like Speed came out and said, like, yeah, like, he just rather, you know, he doesn't really do all the corporate stuff.

Speaker 1 He doesn't do all that. He just shows up, plays golf and leaves.
He's just a GOAT, dude.

Speaker 2 I'm just fascinated by him. Yeah, existential crisis.
Because also, I feel like golf and other individual sports might be the only sport where you could really say,

Speaker 2 why does this real, like, yes, of course, I'm competitive. I've been doing this my whole life.
I want to win. It's how I make a living, but does it really matter?

Speaker 2 You can't do it in football because you could get killed.

Speaker 1 I feel like you just start to slow up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it's also an individual sport. It's just so different.
Like, he doesn't rely on anybody else but himself.

Speaker 1 So, like, it's just like, it's like you're alone on an island and you just, you control like your caddy, but like, that's about it.

Speaker 1 I can, I was just picturing you in a, in a crisis and just how panicky you would be.

Speaker 2 Oh, see, you got me all wrong, though, Leiner. Here's the thing to me: little things,

Speaker 2 little things that would maybe you would gloss over and be like, ah, who really cares? Will drive me absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're like, but if I like went outside and my car got stolen, I'd be like, oh, shit, my car got stolen. Wow, that's crazy.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't care how that works.

Speaker 2 But if I went out and there was like a weird little scratch, but I'm like,

Speaker 1 how the fuck?

Speaker 2 Why did that happen? I would freak out. But if I went out and my car was gone, never to be seen again, I'd be like, wow.

Speaker 1 You're one of those that's like

Speaker 1 big shit. I'm calm.
i'm calm with the bigs the little i just i wonder i always wonder just what it's like to live like that to be so to be

Speaker 1 where the little things bother a little wound tight a little wound tight is how i would describe you it's not fun dude it's fun it's not bro you gotta it's not a fun place yeah dude you gotta

Speaker 2 i don't know man play some but you do want me in a in a crisis situation You want me, meaning I'm a good person to to be helpful. I'm calm.
I'm, I, I keep it together.

Speaker 2 But anyway, he went from what's the point of all this to winning the British Open. And he brought the claret jug to the happy

Speaker 1 absolute flex.

Speaker 2 To red carpet. It's just like, but what a ride.
What's the point? So, like, I'm partying. Here I am with Adam Sandler.
But it made me. Think of a lot of things.

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Speaker 2 Now, there's a few ways we could go about this. I don't know what research you've done, but just comedy sequels in general, which are a little different.
We're not talking Godfather 2, Terminator 2.

Speaker 2 Those are iconic sequels. Comedies are always a little tougher.

Speaker 2 Let's go through some of our favorite comedy sequels of all time.

Speaker 1 This one was kind of hard.

Speaker 2 It is tough because it's not a thick list.

Speaker 1 It's not a thick list and it's also, an older list. I found there's a lot of like there isn't a great comedy, like, I mean, like Happy Gilmore, too.
I'm sure I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 1 That's comedy, but it's a sports, like, you know, but like, obviously, and then we could do like this.

Speaker 2 You know, what's even harder is the sports movie sequels because there's really like five to choose from. But let's go.
What do you have? Give me like your three.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, I can say,

Speaker 1 I don't really have an order, but I would say

Speaker 1 I would say

Speaker 1 Ace Ventura when nature calls. And

Speaker 1 honestly, because growing, I mean, Jim Carrey is my favorite actor forever. And Ace Ventura was like my favorite movie of all time.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then like the dumb and dumber and all that kind of stuff.
But Ace Ventura was just fantastic.

Speaker 1 So, so that one, when I was reading these lists, I'm like, oh, yeah, that one was, that one was pretty good. I don't, it wasn't as good as the first one was good.
Um, I went Austin Powers, dude.

Speaker 2 The second or third, the Heather Graham or The Beyonce?

Speaker 1 Because there's two and three.

Speaker 1 heather graham yeah that's a good one and then this one so this one's a a little more recent and i fucking love this movie 22 jump street yeah yeah so good dude i had some other ones on there but that one with channing tatum jonah hill like it was

Speaker 2 that one made me laugh so i watched i watched the first one um not that long after we did the josh richman episode because he started talking about his part in 21 jump street show so it got me like you know what let me watch that.

Speaker 2 And I'm set up to watch the sequel.

Speaker 1 Really, really funny.

Speaker 2 It's so funny. Solid list.
Okay, for me, I go, I was a big fan of this franchise. I guess you can call it a franchise.
I go American Pie, too. Yeah.
They go to the lake house, just solid.

Speaker 2 You hang with those guys. I think Christmas Vacation counts as a sequel.
It does. It's a second.

Speaker 1 It's like its own movie.

Speaker 2 It's debatable.

Speaker 1 I think it's debatable, but it's obviously classic.

Speaker 2 And I'm not going to lie, I was a big rush hour guy. Rush hour hour two i was into rush hour man those movies made me laugh and then um this could be a

Speaker 2 you could debate this one would you consider bad boys two would you consider the not a comedy it's kind of like action

Speaker 1 then i would do like the hangover two i mean hangover i think i thought the hangover two hangover series were great i was just trying to mix it up i just didn't think the hangover two was near it wasn't as good as the original hangover is a top five movie in my opinion so there's not it's not a big list man it's not no and you know what's even smaller sports sequels i mean we thought of any well dude i mean it's pretty you could pick any of the rock right two three pick any of the rocky ones so if i had to pick one i'd pick two i'd go two and then four

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 2 I enjoy, I did not enjoy Karate Kid 2 and Okinawa, but I did enjoy Karate Kid 3. I did like

Speaker 2 when you brought it back to the valley. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I enjoyed karate.

Speaker 2 Mighty Ducks 2.

Speaker 1 Mighty Ducks 2 is fabulous.

Speaker 2 Gordon Bombay goes from coaching the Ducks to now he's coaching the two-year Olympic team.

Speaker 2 And he gets to bring some of his players.

Speaker 1 That's pretty big. Who do they play against?

Speaker 1 Who's their rival? Isn't it Iceland? Iceland.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they were,

Speaker 2 I think there was like a story there where they didn't want to do.

Speaker 1 What was the name of the coach of Eastland?

Speaker 2 It's escaping me. What's the coach?

Speaker 1 Wolf Stanson.

Speaker 2 Wolf Stanson.

Speaker 1 Dude, D2 is great. Also, Creed.
Creed was great.

Speaker 2 Creed is 100% a sequel, and it's awesome.

Speaker 1 By the way, the Creed movies are awesome.

Speaker 1 Talk about going from Rocky to, what, three Creeds now? All of them were great. Yeah.
And he, dude, Creed 2 is where he fights Drago's son.

Speaker 2 And this is for my

Speaker 2 film buffs. I don't know if you've ever seen The Color of Money, and I don't know if you consider billiards a sport, but it is technically, it's a sequel from the hustler.

Speaker 2 It's a sequel from The Hustler. So for all you youngins who want to go see a good movie, Tom Cruise, Paul Newman, Scoresic, just great, fun movie.
So I got one more little thing for you.

Speaker 2 What do you got?

Speaker 2 What are some sports movies based off of real events that

Speaker 2 sports stories that haven't been made into movies yet?

Speaker 1 Sports stories that haven't made.

Speaker 2 I could pitch you a few. If you don't have any off the top of your head, I could pitch you a few.

Speaker 1 Pitch me a couple.

Speaker 2 Well, all these have been covered in a lot of docs, but if we were to script it out, 83 NC State, the cardiac pack,

Speaker 2 that win, shocking win. That could be a good one.

Speaker 1 I could play Jimmy V, maybe. I was going to say, Jimmy V.
Yeah, you could.

Speaker 2 I'm at the age where I could play Valvan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could play Valvante.

Speaker 2 Also, another movie I could be in, Malice in the Palace.

Speaker 1 I could definitely be in that. I don't think that's a good movie, though, because what's the ending? Everyone just gets their ass kicked.

Speaker 2 Okay, what about

Speaker 1 1994?

Speaker 2 Well, I have the one that's like undeniably the GOAT: 1994 MLB strike, which arguably or inarguably killed the Montreal Expos. They did not survive.
They were in first place.

Speaker 2 Yankees were in first place. They end the season.
They did a fake World Series exhibition, and then the Expos were gone. One of the best hats in baseball.

Speaker 1 I was a part of a strike, NFL strike.

Speaker 2 Was it fun to be?

Speaker 1 I mean, I've been a lot part of a lot of Yankees.

Speaker 1 I coached a flag football team.

Speaker 2 Is that when you started being the OC and you were getting crazy obsessive?

Speaker 1 I didn't even coach my kid. I just coached a team in our leagues down in Orange County.

Speaker 1 I got to be honest with you. I'm not seeing either of those movies.

Speaker 2 Okay. 2007, Appalachian State over Michigan in the big house.

Speaker 1 Tiny

Speaker 1 school. That's one of those good feel story, feel good football movies for sure.
All right.

Speaker 2 Now, these are the big

Speaker 1 football movies are good because an upset, like you can make a good story about it.

Speaker 2 These are the big three that I think you will enjoy.

Speaker 2 The 2021

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Speaker 1 You're

Speaker 1 all day.

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Speaker 2 And Jeff Perlman has these next two. He wrote them as books.
90s Cowboys.

Speaker 1 We're talking Irvin, Leon, Lett.

Speaker 2 We're going

Speaker 1 to rated X. That's wild.

Speaker 2 Then the ultimate story. This is the ultimate sports story.
I don't know how this is not docuce, a show. They've made documentaries.
It's the 86 Mets.

Speaker 2 And the book, if you guys ever want a good book out there, if you have not read When the Bad, the Bad Guys Won, 86 Mets, these dudes on the flight home from Houston after winning the after winning the NLCS, they wrecked the plane.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Someone put in our chat the 06 Rose Ball.
Sure.

Speaker 1 Why not? Yeah, why not? Let's just do it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I've been getting asked to do, people want to do another dock on our era because we did the we did a 30 for 30 right i don't feel like it covered it and how did you feel about like do you feel like it covered it enough though definitely not enough but i thought there's more yeah there's way more because a lot of that was sort of geared towards reggie at the end this one kind of like uh you know like obviously like swamp kings with florida and urban i thought was fascinating was pretty cool um yeah i've been been kind of approached about potentially like making a dock out of that time and the in the era of USC football and the dynasty, which I think people would love to watch.

Speaker 1 I mean, people love sports docks.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I guess you would probably, in thinking about that, if I was producing that, obviously you and Reggie are the first two, right?

Speaker 2 We go after you guys, because then if we get you and you to say yes and Reggie says, we can start going.

Speaker 1 Reggie would be a tough sell.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe that's it. Maybe you say yes, then they go to Reggie.
Like, well, Matty's in. And they go to me.
Pete probably got the call, too.

Speaker 1 Pete would do it. Pete Pete did the 30 for 30.
Lendell White would be fascinating.

Speaker 2 Can we get Lendell White on the show?

Speaker 1 You probably get a guy like Clay Matthews, even though he was like on the, he was a young at the end of that.

Speaker 1 But he kind of, yeah, I mean, a lot of those guys that were on our squad, like, like, became, I mean, Clay's Hall of Famer, you know, like a lot of those younger players at that time.

Speaker 1 So enough star power.

Speaker 2 Who wasn't covered in a 30 for 30 that you would say, you know, who needs their own like five minute segment in the movie for your former teammate?

Speaker 2 Which player do you not think that maybe if in another doc would get a lot more shine i mean alex holmes was the king he connected us to hollywood he did i mean he is he's he was our tight end he's a great player um he's how does he connect was he from holly like was he in la kids

Speaker 1 just about just

Speaker 1 he just i mean josh talked we talked about him on the episode last week like josh he just went out and he was he was always one of those guys

Speaker 1 who understood how to network and meet people and build relationships at a young age. Really smart dude

Speaker 1 and a hell of an athlete. He was really good.
And he just, he just was a connector. He connected and he stayed in touch and he just knew how to do that.

Speaker 1 He could talk to anybody. He had the personality, all those things.
And he became the guy. He became,

Speaker 1 you know, hey, we need that. We need this kid's coming in this weekend.
We need to, like, we need to, we want him done.

Speaker 2 Like, Alex was call Alex.

Speaker 1 He was the guy. He hosted everybody.
He was sort of, if he didn't host you, he hosted you. You know, like he, he was like the umbrella.

Speaker 1 Every recruit that came in, you know, who would be good? Who didn't get his shine was Mike Williams? Because Mike Williams. Yeah, Mike Williams.
I'm interested in that. He's at USC now.

Speaker 1 He's in player development. But he left early.

Speaker 1 You know, his whole story, and not necessarily his story, because he left and did the whole supplemental draft and tried to do what Maurice Claret did and it didn't work out.

Speaker 1 But we won the national championship without him.

Speaker 1 And he should have been on the team, which is fucking crazy because he was yeah like the the he was like a shaman to the nba he was the most dominant player i had seen in that era because he's enormous right six five he's just he was an absolute animal six five and he was just 240 could run like he was a beast um he would be one that would be like oh i remember how good he was

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Speaker 2 We're going to do control your game presented by Nitza. When you speed, you have less time to react.
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Speaker 2 Speeding catches up with you paid for by NHTSA. Do you know what I enjoyed while we were in Indy?

Speaker 2 For whatever reason, and I'm not going to get away from that.

Speaker 1 She went to a hotel by herself.

Speaker 2 We were driving our, well, yes, we were driving around, cameras all mounted in the car, and I didn't have to drive.

Speaker 2 You were doing all the driving.

Speaker 1 And I was really, I was really driving. Like, I was looking over the cameras.
It was a couple, we had a police escort and everything. It was freaking awesome.

Speaker 2 But it brought me back in time, right? And then I realized on that day, I'm like, oh, wow, it's 21 years since

Speaker 2 Entourage aired. And we shot the whole season.
And then finally, when the show was getting ready to air a few weeks before, we had to do the opening title sequence, right?

Speaker 2 Which is at that time too, especially for HBO, was a big thing. And if you remember, it's like all our names in lights at various special places.

Speaker 2 Like my name, believe it or not, my name, Jerry Ferrari in the credit, is in the Viper room. That's where my name is.
So everyone has a different one.

Speaker 2 But we had a, we did this driving sequence in the Lincoln with the suicide doors and all that. And I was just, and we started because we had to do it at night.
So we started at like 9:30 at night.

Speaker 2 And we did that. We drove that Lincoln all around Hollywood and LA till six o'clock in the morning till the sun came up, cameras everywhere.
And it really got me thinking back to

Speaker 2 21 years.

Speaker 1 You know, it's it definitely are we gonna get an anniversary just every year for entourage? I feel like we just get it 22 years, 23 years, 24 years.

Speaker 2 Well, 20 and 21 hit a certain way.

Speaker 2 I always post about it, but for some reason, this year,

Speaker 2 even more than last year's like 20th anniversary, this year, it just like caught fire on all my pages.

Speaker 1 I don't know why it was i think it's probably because we're we're talking about it a lot more

Speaker 2 i mean we're on the show guys maddie i could remember sitting in my north hollywood apartment on that night july 18th 20 2004 when it was airing now i wasn't watching it because i wanted to watch it because i was excited to watch it i was watching it because i i wanted to see are they going to cancel this thing halfway through like are they going to pull it off the air and i just remember sitting there bringing the whole show full circle circle, my Scotty Scheffler moment.

Speaker 2 I remember it ending and saying,

Speaker 2 This is the best it's going to get. Like, this is it.
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You had no feel that it was going to be.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, I don't think you ever know, but like, you can read a script, you can hear the story and be like, Oh, and then you put yourself back in that time of LA, like, oh, this could be a fun show.

Speaker 1 Nothing, you're just like, shit,

Speaker 2 I think, well, some of my paranoia that you teased me about earlier, yeah, my, my,

Speaker 2 wound up tight, but also it's like, you know, this isn't supposed to happen to me. Number one, I'm some meathead from Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 I'm not supposed to make it on TV unless I'm probably, you know, for other reasons. And then, number two, it's like, all none of these shows really make it.

Speaker 2 At that time, too, so many shows come and go and are out the door. And then I remember hearing that HBO music, like that sound of the static and watching it.

Speaker 2 And then I was like, yeah, this is the best it's ever going to get. I need to enjoy it.
And it did bring back some other memories, though, too,

Speaker 2 where in the pilot, pilot, by the way, none of us knew what the hell we were doing in the pilot. Kevin Dylan called me E a couple of times.
I'm like, no, bro, I'm turtle.

Speaker 2 Like we, in the pilot, we just met two weeks before the first episode.

Speaker 2 So, you know, we had to do this pool scene and it was an indoor, outdoor pool in this amazing house that's still there right off of Franklin Boulevard.

Speaker 2 And I have to, I have like this kissing scene with this girl after I say this awful line to her. Like, I still couldn't believe I said this line.
What did you say?

Speaker 2 I had to say, uh, make out with me and I'll show you where Vince eats breakfast in the morning, which, Doug Allen, if you're listening, I love you, buddy. That's a hard line for any actor to pull off.

Speaker 2 So, and then me and the girl kiss. Now, we're in this pool.
It's two o'clock in the morning. The pool's not heated.
Somehow, someone forgot to flip the heat on this $40 million mansion.

Speaker 2 Pool's freezing cold. It's November in LA.
And I won't name the food establishment that I got food poisoning from the day of.

Speaker 2 I was so sick. And this poor girl, Courtney,

Speaker 2 I'm not remembering her last name. I was like apologizing, telling her, I swear to God,

Speaker 1 you had to make out with her? I was saying it's food poisoning and I had like a fever.

Speaker 2 I was, I thought I was dying. And she's like, and she was like,

Speaker 2 no, she had a mine. She had a solid, solid co-starring part.
And we get through, I'm in between takes, they're pulling me out of the pool, wrapping me with towels, putting me under a heater.

Speaker 2 I was shivering. This is where I knew Connolly was going to be my boy and was like already a leader, even though he was at a young age too.

Speaker 2 We finally, like, we got the scene and they were like, let's do one more. Connolly was like, he's done.

Speaker 1 Pull him.

Speaker 2 Connolly came running. I was like, take him out of the pool.
He's done. He's done.
And they wrapped me and sent me. I had to be driven home.
And I think I was in bed the whole weekend. I was out.

Speaker 2 And I don't know why that sticks out.

Speaker 1 Is that that's in the pilot?

Speaker 2 That's in the pilot. So if I don't know if we could show it

Speaker 1 still, I gotta watch it.

Speaker 2 And then the other thing that sticks out from the pilot is we have have this line where we basically tell Connolly's character we saw his girlfriend in a club messing around with Vince Vaughn.

Speaker 2 And he's like, Vince Vaughan, that puffy MFer.

Speaker 2 The lines are like, no, no, this isn't puffy, Vince Vaughn. This is like old school Vince Vaughn.
I see Vince Vaughn a few weeks after that episode aired.

Speaker 2 Now, he either never saw it and just didn't care to talk to me, or we went to one of those Madden EA parties.

Speaker 1 You've probably been invited to those.

Speaker 2 And they pair us up to play against each other. And dude was not friendly.
Really?

Speaker 2 And I think it's because some, I don't know if he watched it or someone told him, like, yo, they were, they were making fun of you on that show. And he beat me in overtime.

Speaker 1 Did he?

Speaker 2 He beat me in overtime at that time where I thought I was a really good Madden player. He beat me in overtime.
So, oh, and the last thing that stands out.

Speaker 2 We all know Allie Lauder famously from the Varsity Blues, whipped cream,

Speaker 2 but she's wonderful actress.

Speaker 1 She's fantastic on

Speaker 1 what's it called? Land, uh, land.

Speaker 1 Is it Landman? Landman.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Fantastic.

Speaker 2 So this other thing stands out too. We could not get cameos, obviously, in the pilot or in the whole first season because no one knew what it was and everyone thought we were making fun of them.

Speaker 2 Wahlberg did a cameo in the pilot. Obviously, he's the producer of the show.
We have this scene.

Speaker 2 in a club where this Hollywood actress that was in the script comes over and and is like, where she's like, supposed to be kind of crazy, like, where's Vince?

Speaker 2 Basically, like, her and Vince had a thing, and he's kind of ditching her. And we point her in another direction.
I mean, we were on set in the club, no Hollywood, no actress.

Speaker 2 At one point, it was like, oh, Jennifer Love Hewitt's going to come by. I was like, amazing.
Another point it was Scarlett Joe, this person, and then no one was showing.

Speaker 2 And to the rescue, someone must have begged and pleaded and knew Allie Law. I don't know if it was Wahlberg.
Someone begged her to come do it. I know she didn't get paid much.

Speaker 2 And Allie Larder showed up at the 25th hour and did that cameo. Oh, so I've always, I've always rooted and she or her.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Allie Larder. She saved us.
She saved us.

Speaker 1 If that doesn't happen, the show might not go on. Might not go on, buddy.

Speaker 2 That's it. So what else for you? So you're getting ready.
We're signing off. You're getting ready for Scotland and just enjoying some family time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. Appreciate you getting me back into golf, man.
Just traveling to Scotland this week.

Speaker 2 You guys went to a concert, too. I thought for sure I saw you and Josie.

Speaker 1 You were at a concert, right, recently? Oh, we went to, we saw just the legend, George Strait last weekend.

Speaker 2 I thought for sure I was going to see something on social from you two making fun of the NASA guy who got caught at cold play.

Speaker 1 You got to be honest with you, man.

Speaker 2 I kind of feel bad for both of you.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's just gotten to the point where

Speaker 1 everybody's, it is a little too much.

Speaker 1 Like, it is what it is. I've gotten a couple of good laughs out of some of the memes and stuff, but like, dude, it's like families are ending, man.
Like, that's not, it's not fun. It's not fun.

Speaker 1 We did, we did, I did, I did walk into SoFine. I'm like, could you imagine if there's a kiss cam in here? And, you know, you get a little chuckle, but yeah, shout out to George Straight.

Speaker 1 He was phenomenal.

Speaker 1 This is my year of concerts, year of concerts. We're going to

Speaker 1 Jason Aldean next month with Nate Smith, who's a buddy there in Austin. Got a little Nelly coming to town.
Might throw it back a little bit.

Speaker 2 You're going to Nelly?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. We got to get Nelly hot.

Speaker 1 We got to get her. We're working on Nelly.
Shout out to Nelly. Come on, throwbacks, buddy.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, we are going to be off for two more weeks.
We're basically gearing up, getting ready for football season. And we're going to be in person.

Speaker 2 We're coming to you next in person, flying out to LA. We've got a bunch of shows coming up.

Speaker 1 Football's almost here, buddy.

Speaker 1 It's almost time to start talking about your New York football giants.

Speaker 2 Cam Scataboo. That's my only hope.
That's what I'm watching this whole year.

Speaker 1 Hey, he's a season dog.

Speaker 1 We're out.