Turtle’s Jerseys in 2025, NFL’ers at the Olympics & Luke Walton Talking All Things Hoops!

Speaker 1 Does Matt ever see the sand?

Speaker 2 Matt's a winner. We let Matt serve when it's a big point, and Matt gives great speeches during the timeouts.
I can tell you one thing: we're bringing heart and soul, brother.

Speaker 3 I'll punch somebody in the face out there.

Speaker 1 All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks. Please give us a follow on social at throwbacks show.

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Give us some likes, comment, all that good stuff. Matt, Matty Leiner.

Speaker 3 What up, baby?

Speaker 1 Listen, we got a lot to get to today.

Speaker 3 God, we do. There's so much going on right now.

Speaker 1 You came through with a guest today, and I'm going to tell you why someone like who we have on the show today is a favorite guest, whether on our show or anyone's show.

Speaker 3 We have Luke Walton joining us, who is a good friend of yours.

Speaker 1 Why I'm excited to talk to Luke today and why I'd be excited to see him on any show is because Luke doesn't do shows. He doesn't do podcasts.
He doesn't do YouTube shows. Like he doesn't do it.

Speaker 3 There's a lot. There's like, I'll reach out to a lot of people and I don't really care with Luke.
I was like,

Speaker 3 buddy, I love you. Can you come on? Like, I just, I was like, and I know you don't.
And if you say no, I won't care. But he goes, for you, I'll do it.
I was like, awesome.

Speaker 3 And I think people need to to listen to this because, one, he's currently coached for the Pistons.

Speaker 3 He, you know, he talks, he's going to talk, he talks Knicks and his thoughts on who he thinks is going to win the NBA championship. But he and I had the greatest 2013 of all time.

Speaker 3 And you have to tune in to listen why because it was absolutely fucking fire. And let's also say you guys,

Speaker 1 you guys were ring chasing. We'll just say that.
You were also ring chasing together.

Speaker 3 We were doing a lot of things and that was one of them. Yes.

Speaker 1 Wow. We got an all.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's going to be awesome i you know when you texted me that i'm like you know obviously i loved watching him play and then we just had to watch him coach the pistons against the knicks which i sweated every one of those games out and i was really thinking you really don't see outside of coaching you don't see luke walton anywhere and he's had such an amazing career both as a player and now a coach so it's a great get it's a great get think about like he he think about like when you actually think about his path like he obviously was a great role player for the lakers for a long time played with kobe and like won two NBA rings.

Speaker 3 Then coaching, right? So he coached, he played for Phil. He coached with Steve Kerr and the Warriors on some of those great teams.

Speaker 3 He then got a head coach. He coached.
So he coached Steph. He coached LeBron as a head coach for the Lakers.
He coached a young Sacramento Kings team that was really fun to watch at the time.

Speaker 3 Then he went back to the Cavs and now he's with the Pissouts with Cade coach Cade Cunningham, which is a future superstar in this league.

Speaker 3 Tons of wisdom, tons of knowledge, a great dude and uh yeah man it's a great interview for everybody like like stick around it's it's fun to listen to him because like you said he doesn't he doesn't really do it he's very just kind of to himself quiet just kind of hangs you know so it's fun to it's fun to see him so before we get to luke walton i gotta know i mean we texted a little bit but i wanted to save it for the show how was your not your first but something you don't do often you played in patrick mahomes' golf tournament in vegas

Speaker 3 how did it go Bro, the golf gods are calling me ever since I met you. I did really.

Speaker 3 Like, I actually,

Speaker 3 so I'm going to, I'm going to name, I'm just going to name drop right now.

Speaker 1 Drop the mic, do it.

Speaker 3 No, no, well, Justin Thomas. So Justin Thomas, friend of the show.
Like, and

Speaker 3 I put out that story on Instagram of my swing, which, by the way, I don't have a good swing. The problem with me is my back is tight.
Like, I don't have a lot of movement, but like, I can't hit okay.

Speaker 3 But I was messaging with him because he had commented and I was like, I was like, dude, Jerry is, I'm starting to get a little bit of the bug, a little bit.

Speaker 3 It's a little bit because now, like, you know, as you always said, like, these golf events, I've done them before. Like, they're fun, they're exciting.
So, um, I had a blast, man.

Speaker 3 Mahomes does a great job. Uh, first class, everything.

Speaker 3 Uh, a little pairings party. I hung out with my boy Manzel, who's also

Speaker 3 love Johnny. We caught up a lot.
By the way, the, like, I had a, it was me, Johnny, and, and, Patch, and Mahomes' dad, who, by the way, we were talking baseball for like an hour and a half.

Speaker 3 It was an awesome conversation. Uh, shout out to Mr.
Mahomes, man. He was fun to talk to.
And then the gala was Thursday night, and the gala was super cool.

Speaker 3 Um, I ran into Kelsey, talked to him for a bit. Whitworth, I was sat with Danny Amendola, um, just a who's who, very obviously, as you can imagine.
Great job.

Speaker 3 Mahomes and his wife do such like amazing things in the community and all the charities they work with. And then golf last week, man.
I actually, I actually will say this: like, how'd you hit him? I,

Speaker 3 It's scramble, right? Yeah. But, like, I hit the ball way better than I thought.
Like, like, I putted. We had, you know, we have a caddy and those things.

Speaker 3 So my putting was, like, I was six inches within the hole on everywhere we were.

Speaker 1 You know, where did they have you in the putting order? Were you putting first, last?

Speaker 3 I'm always.

Speaker 3 I was, I always, I either just kick it off or I'll go second

Speaker 3 because I don't like I'm you, I'm never the best one. So guys, I'll give you guys the line, right? But I was putting really, really well.

Speaker 3 I made a, I made like a 15-foot 15-foot birdie putt, like just to kick off on one hole. I was like, let's fucking go.

Speaker 3 But dude, it's just like, it was fun, man. It was fun.
Like, I can, I can, I can feel it. I can feel it.
I can feel it.

Speaker 1 Listen, if you would have told me with this show, we were going to get Dodgers Yankees World Series. Okay.
Now we're going to get the Knicks in the Eastern Conference finals.

Speaker 1 And now I got Maddie Leiner starting to get the golf bug. Everything with this show I could have ever wanted is slowly

Speaker 3 to happen. I haven't told my wife that yet either.
So we'll see how that flies.

Speaker 1 I think it's good. Josie's cool.
She's going to, I think she's going to be happy you get out there. No, I think it's going to be great.

Speaker 1 Unless you turn into me, then you might start having some problems.

Speaker 3 I don't have any problems. My goal is, and I'm curious of like, like, like you, you play a lot more golf than I do.
And you got little kids too, but you play a lot more golf.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 3 like, my goal is to play like two, like... to get to two to three times a month,

Speaker 3 which, by the way, is still like, you're playing once a week, which is, which is all I can really do anyway. So I want to play more and more in these types of tournaments.
I want to get there.

Speaker 3 I want to go to the range. Like, I'm going to go to the range next week.
I'm going to go to the range once or twice by the house.

Speaker 3 And just, I just want to hit, because the problem is, is I haven't, like, I don't know my clubs, right?

Speaker 3 Like, I've had nice clubs for a couple of years, but like, I need to start to know my clubs and distances because I'm out there. I'm like thinking, like, oh, shit, well, this is 180.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't know. Like, should I hit my six iron? Like, I mean, I have a general idea, but like, I want to get, I need to get better.

Speaker 1 I do have to say this is airing on thursday so you're seeing a much calmer version of me because nicks pacers game one has not tipped off by the time this airs knicks will either be up or down 1-0.

Speaker 1 Let me just tell you, man.

Speaker 3 First of all,

Speaker 1 I got media members who I know. My guy, Chris Manix, all these guys, like, hey, let's do a

Speaker 3 bet.

Speaker 1 Now, you know, Mary, you and I did like a Dodgers Yankees bet. I want to do a bet with you.
I will. I will.
Listen, you want to do a bet with the Yankees or the Giants or the Rangers? Sure.

Speaker 1 I have enough to worry about.

Speaker 1 Like, Mannix is like, you got to wear a Red Sock jersey. I'm like, no, if the Knicks lose, that's the worst punishment I could possibly get.

Speaker 3 Trust me. Let me ask you.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go wear a Red Sox jersey, too.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you a question. Are you losing sleep at night thinking about the Knicks? Whether win or lose? Like,

Speaker 3 and I want to say this, when I coach Cole's teams and like we're playing in the playoffs,

Speaker 3 you'll get this when your boys get a little older and they're playing. You start to lose sleep because you're thinking about the thing.
Or, do you lose sleep knowing the Knicks have a shot?

Speaker 3 I mean, a real shot to win an NBA championship this year. Are you losing sleep after these games?

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 I am losing sleep after every game because, number one, if they lose, right? If they lose, that means like, okay, well, I guess I can't listen to any podcasts tomorrow, turn on ESPN, look at Twitter.

Speaker 1 Like, I just, because I don't want to see it. So, that bugs me.
When they win, and I'm like, solo, my kids are already asleep half the time.

Speaker 1 I'm just on on Twitter as you've seen I am I am just yelling at every because like here I mean I've seen a lot of trolls on Twitter and you are one of the biggest trolls because I've been getting trolled I've been getting trolled my whole basketball fandom like it's all been one big troll because you guys

Speaker 1 you guys have sucked for like 30 years and that's why like even arguing with these Celtic fans here's here's a sports term that needs to be retired. I don't want to ever hear it again.
It's stupid.

Speaker 1 Oh, why don't you hang a banner?

Speaker 1 why don't you hang a second round banner because you beat the celtics like buddy so what you're saying is i shouldn't celebrate that every single person picked the celtics to beat the knicks in five six games i shouldn't be celebrating you don't think seventh avenue is going to be ripping out the telephone poles going nuts like just stop hang a banner yeah i'm not hanging a banner because it's not a championship but that's a dumb term and you're not you're you're not taking this away from me the joy because i've suffered i was there no this is no disrespect.

Speaker 1 I was there for Emmanuel Moody.

Speaker 1 I was there for Chris Duhan, Frank Nilakina. And these are all players that I thought were going to change the franchise.
Chris Copeland.

Speaker 3 You've been

Speaker 3 let down your whole life. I mean, let's just face it.
You've been let down.

Speaker 1 Retire that term. Hang a banner.

Speaker 3 Will you go? I know we talked about this last time. Is there.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 I just got a huge email, Matt. I just got a huge email.

Speaker 3 You got invited to a game.

Speaker 1 It looks like I'm going to be in the building for game two.

Speaker 1 Hold on to your motherfucking hat, bro. Holy shit.

Speaker 3 So what you're trying to say is you just got fucking courtside game two. Hell yeah, you're fucking going.

Speaker 1 What I'm trying to say is I am literally

Speaker 1 a plane ticket right now.

Speaker 3 I just got goosebumps for you. Look at you, dude.

Speaker 3 You're like a five-year-old on Christmas morning.

Speaker 1 I don't think people, I try to tell people too, like the Knicks court side stuff.

Speaker 3 Wait, what are you wearing, dude? What are you wearing?

Speaker 1 I haven't even begun to think about it.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're wearing.

Speaker 3 You might have bust out those shoes that are right behind you with your fucking Knicks starter jacket, your Knicks jersey, and your Knicks hat.

Speaker 1 These things have never touched the floor, Matt.

Speaker 3 No, I don't want you to wear those.

Speaker 3 I don't want you to spill popcorn on that shit.

Speaker 1 I will just be locked in, and this series is going to be tough, and we're going to talk to Walton about it, too. But I just.

Speaker 1 If you want to make a bet with me about the Yankee, sure, because it's been nothing but great giants. I have a bet with Colt Nost.
Like, we bet.

Speaker 3 No, I want the Knicks to win. I was just thinking, if the Knicks win the championship,

Speaker 3 you get you're like, you'll shave your head, you know?

Speaker 1 If the Knicks win the championship, I would maybe get Knicks tatted for sure somewhere on my body. And I have zero tats.

Speaker 3 There you go. And I come from a place where everyone's tatted by 13.
Can we confirm that? Can we confirm that? We could do that. If the Knicks win a championship, will you get a Knicks tattoo?

Speaker 3 Please, right now.

Speaker 3 Too much is happening right now.

Speaker 1 Too much is happening.

Speaker 3 Would Bri approve? I just got fucking amped for you. Listen,

Speaker 1 she would probably disapprove but like i said no one's taking this joy now that being said right now as you're listening to this the knicks could be down 01 like i yeah this series yeah let's yeah let's not jinx this dude let's not lock we got to lock in

Speaker 3 but giants i mean you did you see i know you saw right uh i got so fired up at the draft when they drafted cam scataboo this went i don't know what even is viral i don't even know what's viral anymore well i'll tell you what's viral let's put up the picture hold on we got i know we got a picture cam scataboo so that's so that picture went viral right so so that's the picture of of uh I think that's Isaac too so I know Isaac and Cam Scatabu in a Michael Strahan jersey is that a recent is that recent right that's after he got drafted this is like yeah

Speaker 1 he's definitely not wearing that

Speaker 3 The Cam Scatabu moved to New York and immediately turned into turtle for Montourage. And that shit went off.
And now let's post the next picture because we have,

Speaker 3 I mean, dude.

Speaker 1 Look at that Allen Houston jersey I'm broken.

Speaker 3 But I just want to say this about you really quick. I mean, we've seen some glow-ups in this world when we've seen some glow-ups.
And by the way, that fucking turtle picture, turtle's a beast, bro.

Speaker 3 Like, look at that. That's just swag city.
Just don't give a fuck about anything. All right.
Except the Knicks.

Speaker 3 Except the Knicks. But man, you were about three bills at some point.

Speaker 1 You can get a 5'6.

Speaker 3 You're a glow-up now, 5'6.

Speaker 3 What do you buck 80?

Speaker 3 And that picture. Wait, now.
Right now. 160?

Speaker 3 160. 160.

Speaker 1 That picture, I'm like 208.

Speaker 3 No double chin, fucking, like, you know, jawline.

Speaker 1 But most importantly, Maddie Ice, I'm rocking an Allen Houston jersey in 2008.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but 2008.

Speaker 3 But those were good Knicks teams, though. That was

Speaker 1 the last time they made the conference finals was the Spreewell Allen Houston beating the Knicks the Heat in game five. Patrick Ewing got hurt.
Marcus Canby balled out.

Speaker 3 That was like the last time we ever tasted this. Marcus Canby.
Do you think that when that picture was put out on X, do you think Cam Scataboo knew who Turtle was for Montourage?

Speaker 1 So I actually don't.

Speaker 3 There it is. Look at the side-by-side.
That shit's got to go up.

Speaker 1 By the way.

Speaker 3 Is that real heights?

Speaker 3 Scataboo can't be more than five.

Speaker 1 I tell you what, I'm 5'6. So does that look like 5'6 versus 5'10?

Speaker 3 God, you're short. I'm short.

Speaker 2 I just realized how short you are.

Speaker 1 I've been short my whole life, so it's not.

Speaker 3 Well, you were short and wide back in the day. Now you're just short.

Speaker 1 By the way, though,

Speaker 1 you wouldn't have wanted me guarding you,

Speaker 1 even though you were athletic.

Speaker 3 I can't just fucking turn around and just shoot right there.

Speaker 1 That's fair, but I'm just saying, 5'6, 2 bills with that little bowling ball.

Speaker 3 Your head would be right in my belly, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I'm going like into your hips and knees, bro.

Speaker 3 I'm a problem for you.

Speaker 1 Not to scale. We just got word.
That picture is not

Speaker 3 to scale.

Speaker 1 But no, I don't think cam scataboo knows he's look he's a young dude some people he's a dog man stumble onto entourage maybe they never will but all i will say he for sure google he for sure googled you my number one guest that i now want on this podcast after luke walton luke walton's a huge one i and i'm reaching out to members of the giants i'm trying hard i need you to pull all your nfl connections here I want Cam Scatabu on this show.

Speaker 3 I just got to talk to him. I'm going to get him on

Speaker 3 swag king.

Speaker 1 That is a giants player. When I talk about the Giants players, I mean like

Speaker 1 throwback to the Eli teams and back in the day. That's such a giants player.
I'm so excited for Cam. And I will say, Cam.
Let me say, Turtle was on to some things in Entourage. All right.

Speaker 1 He was the first to kind of go sneaker culture on TV. Video game tournament before it was popular back in 08.
He literally started Hot Girl Uber. That was a thing.
He started a car company.

Speaker 1 It was basically hot girls driving Ubers. It was Hot Girl Uber.
And lastly, Turtle was the genius behind celebrity-endorsed tequila. He did it first.
Vince was the lightning rod.

Speaker 3 So, Cam, I mean, you're a fucking trendsetter, bro. Let's go.
You're a trendsetter.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's good, man.

Speaker 1 Well, it leads us to all, I mean, there's not a whole lot going on in the NFL right now, but. I think it sets us up for what we want to talk about with our Wendy's Flavor of the Week.
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Speaker 1 Find your new favorite Frosty Fusion flavors today with choices like Oreo, Brownie, caramel crunch and pop-tart strawberry so our flavor of the week i think we talked about it in the pre-show meeting and this is big news for huge do you want to take it yeah so uh this week basically the nfl is allowing current players to

Speaker 3 basically give them eligibility to compete in the 2028 olympics on the flag football team i don't know if there's tryouts i don't know how the teams are going to be picked but they are allowed to play in the olympics which I think is rad.

Speaker 3 When you look at sports, first of all, like I think every, if you're an athlete, and even probably you too, Jerry, like to win a medal or to represent your country is like the greatest thing in the world, right?

Speaker 3 Football has never had that opportunity because you just can't play tackle football in the Olympics and also just wouldn't be fair. Like just, you just can't do it.

Speaker 3 And you're seeing more and more Olympic sports like happen, like

Speaker 3 obviously flag football, women's going to play flag football in 2028 to see our best athletes in the world compete in flag. I love flag football.
I started in flag football.

Speaker 3 We have a bunch of flag football leagues in Orange County. Like, I coach my kid in flag football.
I love the sport.

Speaker 3 How, like, it is, it's freaking insane. Well, it's like,

Speaker 1 it's a guaranteed gold medal, right?

Speaker 3 Like, who's going to, who's going to, listen?

Speaker 3 We got to do a little research because we're already really good. Like, we got really good players, and it is a different game than especially quarterback.

Speaker 3 Receivers are running routes and all that, and you're making guys miss. Like, that's, that's, that, that tracks.
Remember, can we get the name of the quarterback for the U.S.?

Speaker 3 I think Doucet is his last name. Uh, he's a dog, but like, Daryl Hoosh Dussette.
Daryl Hoosh Doucette. Have you seen highlights of this kid?

Speaker 1 He's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 He's unbelievable. And, but, but my point is, is like, is there going to be a quarterback competition between him and whoever

Speaker 1 Jaden Daniels, who that would have been my NFL pick. Jaden Daniels with the accuracy would have been my flag football.

Speaker 3 Yeah, who, so who, if you could build five, so you get five on offense, five on defense. If you want to do defense, you can.
But who are your five?

Speaker 3 You get a quarterback, two receivers, a center, and a running back.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's it. Travis Hunter was created for this.
Now, he was created for NFL football as well. And again, I guess you have to really, I wonder how the franchises are going to be about this.
Like,

Speaker 1 do you want your star athlete, you know, your star player in 2028?

Speaker 3 You're also missing training camp.

Speaker 1 You probably will miss some camp, right?

Speaker 3 Or at least the early days. Yeah, but they would do it.
Yeah, the timing.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter certainly seemed like, because he solves both, you know, you got to have DBs too, obviously, to cover. So Travis Hunter, I think, would be my number one pick.
Really?

Speaker 1 Well, because I'm just looking at the dude.

Speaker 3 If he's going to go both ways in the NFL, all right.

Speaker 1 Well, I, for me, it's Jaden Daniels because I feel like, yes, you need to have mobile legs, but I don't know if you, do you quite need the Lamar Jackson mobility and flag.

Speaker 3 I mean, I know it doesn't hurt, but I gotta, I mean, I know, I know there's like a pass rush, so you need to have the right.

Speaker 1 I like the I like the Jaden Daniels accuracy for something like flag football.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and this is three years from now, two, three years from now. So I think Lamar is still in his prime.
Tyler Murray could be an interesting one.

Speaker 3 For sure. Jaden Daniels, someone obviously that can just have a lot of money.

Speaker 1 And I would mix up, like, on the receiving side, I would mix up, like, obviously, like a Tyreek Hill would be incredible, but I think you want some of the big body like a, you know, like Brock from the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Like, I think you want a big body.

Speaker 3 See, Brock Bowers would be by center. Right.
Because they're L.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you want some big body. And I'm trying, I was trying to think, like, who also is

Speaker 1 just a huge receiver. Like, and every time I think about it, I keep coming back to the tight ends.

Speaker 3 AJ Brown is big. DK Metcalf.
I mean, Jamar.

Speaker 3 Jamar's, but Jamar's not big.

Speaker 1 I just like, that's what I mean. If we start doing this, who the hell on earth is going to be?

Speaker 3 How fun is it going to be? Like, there's going to be like, is it so? Like, in USA basketball, there's, there's tryouts. Most of the team is picked, right?

Speaker 3 Like, you know, Steph was going to be on the team. You know, LeBron's going to be on the team, like, some of those guys, but you do have to make it for like those last two years.

Speaker 1 I think Justin Jefferson said, like, his dream was to win a gold medal.

Speaker 3 So, like, are they going to have, like, are you going to have tryouts and you have like the top eight receivers in the NFL all trying out to make some guys aren't going to play, but dude, are we going to do a dream team?

Speaker 1 Are we going flag football dream team?

Speaker 1 That's essentially what we could we could have the first ever nfl dream team dude outside of pickleball i mean flag football is just absolutely booming now also like i was thinking about this too you got to start having the conversation about like a sauce gardener or a stingley like you have to be able to cover how you don't really need yeah you just you need all those fast dbs you don't need fast quick titchy dbs that can just and you need a linebacker

Speaker 1 do you though like the but like because you're watching quarterback you want you're really looking for speed and agility. You can need power.

Speaker 3 You could throw like a Travis Hunter at middle linebacker, right?

Speaker 1 This is going to be so fun.

Speaker 3 I know.

Speaker 3 The strategy is going to be crazy because obviously they do flag football for the Pro Bowl now because no one really cares about the Pro Bowl. So they've tried everything to fix that.

Speaker 3 Now they do the Pro, the flag football game, which is actually, it's actually kind of fun to watch.

Speaker 3 I mean, like they're competing a lot, you know, harder than they are with tackle because they don't want to get hurt.

Speaker 1 Is there any part of it, though, that's like, if you're a sauce gardener or Travis Hunter and they want you to be on and you're but you're like, you know, you got to remember these guys, these men and women are playing flag football all year round and it is a different game.

Speaker 3 It's a different game.

Speaker 1 Do you want to be exposed on the Olympic stage potentially with a dude from that you never heard of from Brazil who absolutely played like 10 years of soccer and is now an elite flag football player.

Speaker 3 I would love to know

Speaker 3 I would love to know like who's good in flag football. I'm just looking up flag football world rankings.

Speaker 1 We'll come back. You know what? Let's look at the social.
Let's do our draft of players.

Speaker 3 Oh, here you go.

Speaker 3 USA is one. Austria.
Austria. Two.

Speaker 3 Mexico, three.

Speaker 3 Germany, four. This is men's 2024 IFAF Flag Football World Rankings.
Austria.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't know if I would have picked Austria. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Just based on points.

Speaker 1 Very excited for that. Yeah, man, that's going to be fire.
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Speaker 3 Again, flavor of the week.

Speaker 1 and um i think it's time now let's get to your boy let's get to luke wall also one of the best voices maybe of all time just bass in the man's voice just has a a voice of gold let's go luke wall

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Speaker 1 All right, Luke, thanks for joining us. I know you don't do a lot of these.
Maddie really had a call in like the ultimate favor.

Speaker 3 I basically said, I'll love you forever if you do this for 30 minutes. And he goes, fine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to put that in there too. If I happen to have a third kitty, which I'm probably not, but if it's a boy, we'll put Luke on the table as a name just for doing this podcast.

Speaker 2 That's awfully nice of you. I appreciate it.
And like.

Speaker 2 Matt's family. So if Matt texts and asks me to do something, I'm going to do it.
Oh, you're so, dude.

Speaker 3 You know what I was thinking about? You'd be so proud of me because I am currently dominating our local rec league. And we just talked about this before.
And

Speaker 3 I want to talk to you about our experience about 12 years ago, which might have been the greatest rec league ever assembled. But, dude, I'm playing Monday Nights at Bay Club, 35 and older.

Speaker 3 I got roped into this.

Speaker 3 They take stats, right? So you get to your stats online, which I think is the best part about it.

Speaker 3 Do you want to know what your boy is averaging right now?

Speaker 3 I'm a walking double double dude i'm 15 and a half and 11 and a half boards for assists a game well by the way that's like a luke walton the arizona stat line yeah no that's a good one but i i knew the double double wasn't coming with assist because i played with you and you're but to your credit you're a scorer matt like

Speaker 3 bro i'm a black hole outside the three-point line the only time i the only time i played with jerry he i i took jerry jerry came and we were doing some shows together in la and i took him to the to bay club and we were playing with Cole, who's a big player.

Speaker 1 He told me it was all old men and it was not.

Speaker 3 It was not. Our team was like me, Cole, Cole's boys who play Acosta, who are like 6'5, and Jerry, poor Jerry, the only shot he got he airballed shit.

Speaker 1 In fairness to me, Luke, these dudes were playing with like a clock. I never played like organized pickup with like a clock, like a running clock.
So I saw the clock ticking down.

Speaker 1 I hoisted up a three. But yeah,

Speaker 1 Matt, actually, there's a clip out there. You guys got a ring together, basically, right? You won a championship in rec league, no?

Speaker 2 We have a ring. It was one of the greatest years of my life, right after I retired from playing in the NBA.

Speaker 3 Tell us about this.

Speaker 1 So you're a year removed from the NBA and you're not quite done yet.

Speaker 2 It still has the itch to play. So we get a great idea to put a league together.
But not only are we playing in a rec league, like Matt and I are at Equinox working out seven times a week.

Speaker 2 We're playing beach volleyball four times a week. I'm part-time coaching with the Lakers G-League team and also recruiting players that aren't getting minutes to come play on our rec team, which

Speaker 2 I was unsuccessful in that free agent signing. But it was literally like, it was an awesome year.
And yeah,

Speaker 2 we won a hard-fought title together. And

Speaker 3 I told Jerry, I said, I said, we retired the same year and we would go. I literally said, I said, dude, we would go to Equinox five days a week.
Just get Luke would always say, let's get meaty today.

Speaker 3 Let's get meaty. We would go, we trade.

Speaker 3 We would go to the the remember the little restaurant right next door we walk over there or we get a smoothie or we go to houston's for lunch but the best part do you remember what you made me do with you

Speaker 3 we used to go get foot massages

Speaker 2 that's right that's right was it your boy danny or is it this guy danny used to work at the back of a nail salon and he did reflexology and it hurt so bad but he was so good at it

Speaker 1 how many were you

Speaker 1 were there a lot of former NBA guys? Because if I'm rolling up and like, all right, let's see who we got week one and fucking liner and wall come walking out. I'm like, guys, let's just go home.

Speaker 1 Let's go get some food. This is stupid.
We're not playing in there.

Speaker 2 No, there was, there was no other.

Speaker 3 Remember the Drew League guy that you beat in the finals? That kid was good. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 He was good. He was talking too much trash, though, for a rec league game, but he was pretty good.

Speaker 2 And not only that, like

Speaker 2 we had a bunch of 6'9

Speaker 2 beach volleyball players. So we looked, like, if you walked in the gym, like, you thought you were going to lose by 40.
But what we also learned was beach volleyball does not carry over to uh

Speaker 3 so soft.

Speaker 3 Well, it's, it's, we're, we're going to talk about six man at the end, but it was, I remember like, Jerry, Jerry, you got, you've seen this with me.

Speaker 3 Like, athletes are like just hyper competitive in everything. So, like, we were there and we were putting together this team.

Speaker 3 And, like, these volleyball players are great athletes, but they're great athletes on the sand, which, by the way, I'm a terrible athlete on the sand.

Speaker 3 So I respect them, but you but it doesn't like remember john like i mentioned johnny hack and we got guys six nine who can't like literally have two right hands i'm like bro i we would get pissed i'd be like dude you're not you're not playing dude like you're sitting on the bench

Speaker 3 like we need we need dogs out there

Speaker 3 johnny got mad and stopped showing up to games yeah we hurt johnny's feelings for sure and before we got we got to talk about the current nba but the last thing is i was we were watching this clip and there's a clip on youtube if anybody wants to go watch it's an awesome clip just type in in both just type in both our names rec league and it's a four and a half minute clip of luke diving on the ground just absolutely dominating this dude like hitting threes i remember saying like bro you don't hit you didn't hit threes in the nba he and you but you were hitting like nine threes a game in this shit dude that wasn't my role on the team

Speaker 2 you want to make it we have kobe and pal my role was to give them the ball and i was totally okay with that

Speaker 1 so i wanted to ask you something too because i really think i know the answer but so when you you were coaching with the Cavs, I am now in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 That's where my wife was born and raised, went to a lot of Cavs games. And I think it was the Celtics year when you guys played the Celtics in the playoffs round two, I guess it was.

Speaker 1 They sat me first row right behind the Cavs bench, which is the worst seat for a short person ever. Like, I got Tristan Thompson sitting right in front of me.

Speaker 1 I feel like, though, there was a few times you coming after a timeout, you looked at me and you gave me a head nod.

Speaker 1 Do you have any recollection of me being at a calves game it's okay if you have no idea that i was there or who i even was at that

Speaker 3 you don't even know who you are now

Speaker 2 that's right that's a lie because

Speaker 2 when i played for the lakers you guys used to do some filming at our yes so yes all the time

Speaker 2 and that was our show like i remember like jordan farmer and i'd get together and watched it every every time a new episode came out so yes i remember you being there i was i was juiced to see you that was a real head nod okay

Speaker 3 me and my i'm like right i think i tell my wife i'm like i dick luke just gave me a headnot he wasn't looking at you he wasn't he wasn't looking at you so all right good to know well dude you current i mean i i love watching you man i remember i remember when we had that year and then a couple years i was like why are you still coaching man come hang at the south bay but you're continuing to do it now you're with the pistons and you guys had a hell of a year you know fell short to the knicks but um

Speaker 3 you know, just like trajectory of this team, like how fun was this team to coach? And,

Speaker 3 you know, how do you guys continue to get better going into next year?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was beautiful and that's the fun part and you talked about it as an athlete how competitive you are which is why i've stuck with coaching because you get to still compete at that highest level and you know one of the beautiful things about sports is when a team really comes together and that's what we had here in detroit this year obviously we you know coming in here for the first year wasn't a lot of high expectations with the season they had the year prior and we had a group of guys that just bought in and and wanted to to get past what they went through the previous year.

Speaker 2 And it was honestly one of the most fun coaching years I've had. And I've been on a lot of

Speaker 2 fun teams that have had a lot of success. But it was awesome to be part of this ride this year.
And, you know, next year, obviously, you get better by building on what you went through.

Speaker 2 And the hope is,

Speaker 2 and you know,

Speaker 2 Matt, I don't know how high of a level you played in, Jerry, but like when you lose,

Speaker 2 when you lose in like a playoff series or a

Speaker 2 championship round, like it motivates you so much because you just want to get back there and get past where you were. So the hope is

Speaker 2 the guys feel that. They felt how exciting NBA playoff basketball is.
For a lot of them, it was their first time ever being there

Speaker 2 playing in those type of games. And then, you know, we just build on what we started this year.

Speaker 3 You, I mean, you coached, I think you coached Steph, you coached coached LeBron in L.A.

Speaker 3 How it was fun to see Cade Cunningham. You know, me, I'm a basketball fan.
I like to see these young stars.

Speaker 3 And I feel like there's all this talk about that that older generation is kind of coming down to and Steph, LeBron, KD, and then this younger generation with Ant.

Speaker 3 And you didn't even throw Brunson in there. You know, Jalen's been outstanding, but like Cade Cunningham was a star this year.
Like, do you see some of that?

Speaker 3 Like, is this a kid that you're like, okay, we could build around this kid? Players are going to want to come play with Cade because he's, he continues. It's like, you know, like, like Shay, right?

Speaker 3 He continues to elevate his game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's, he is the real deal. And you can 100% build an organization around him.

Speaker 2 And one of the best things that, you know, you just never know until you're with the guys every day is his leadership ability for his age is just, it's, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 I mean, he, he cares

Speaker 2 not only about winning and the, you know, doing the right thing, but he cares about his teammates. He has no problem calling people out if you know people are complaining or bitching or whatnot.

Speaker 2 Uh, and then he gives players love when they need love. And for him to have the emotional awareness and the

Speaker 2 care factor of that at his age is like, it's just awesome. You don't see it very often in this league, and it's uh, it's exciting to know that, you know, we got him with us.

Speaker 3 So, look, I'm a huge Knicks fan.

Speaker 1 I'm obviously sweating out this whole Pacer series, but I've been me and all the million Knicks group chats that I'm in, we keep talking about that Detroit series.

Speaker 1 And I'd wonder as a, as a player and even as a coach, if this is even a thing. So obviously everyone in the media was like, oh, the Knicks don't want to see the Pistons.

Speaker 1 And then in the back of my mind, I'm like, yeah, you're kind of right. That's going to be tough.
But I'm like, I should be able to handle it. Every one of those games could have swung the other way.

Speaker 1 Every one of the, especially like Campaign comes out in game one and goes berserk. I don't think he's scored that many points since he played.

Speaker 1 And obviously, Asor Thompson, like, I feel like that almost prepared the Knicks going into the Celtic series. Like, if you could score on Asor Thompson, you could score on anyone.

Speaker 1 And is there something to like, you know, the Cavs kind of played, you know, the Heat, who kind of didn't seem like they wanted to be there is a pretty like, is there something to just, hey, getting ready for playoff basketball game one, round one, it was on from Joe.

Speaker 2 For sure. Yeah.
And there's levels to it if you're you know if you're a championship team and you've done it before

Speaker 2 you can have an easier first round and still mentally be ready for that second round but to your point yeah like the series we had with the knicks like you were razor sharp going into that next series, just like we would have been if we could have found a way to win some of those late games,

Speaker 2 as opposed to where you kind of have a cakewalk in the first round and then all of a sudden you're hit with an intensity that you haven't seen yet.

Speaker 2 So, as far as that is for sure, I think our series with the Knicks really

Speaker 2 kind of helped them get to where they needed to go because, I mean, they, like you said, every game was coming down to the end. So, you know,

Speaker 2 you're as sharp as you can be coming out of that series.

Speaker 1 Well, I think that, yeah, that's the thing, too. When they say, I never really knew when they say, oh, this is a great experience for a young team because the young team still wants to win, right?

Speaker 3 Like, it's not like, oh, hey, we play them tough.

Speaker 1 That being said, your team is so young that I really do think that that series, like, there is no doubt going into the playoffs next year that the Pistons are going to know exactly where they need to be mentally, emotionally, physically.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And you're right.
Like, we're, we were heartbroken here. You know, we, we wanted to win.
Like

Speaker 2 at the time, you don't care that you got the experience, you know, in hindsight, big picture, like the experience is everything and it's awesome.

Speaker 2 And now, like, when you're coaching, we we always talk about like coaching is like parenting it's like you tell your kids what to do you tell them what to do what's gonna come and then

Speaker 2 you get there and you know you make mistakes but then you're like ah yeah so they do know what they're talking about and hopefully then you go into the next year and it's like this is why boxing out is so important this is why following a game plan is so important because when you get to the playoffs it's every possession that ends up you know winning and losing a series and you have to train your mind to be at that level.

Speaker 2 And until you get to that level, people can tell you all day long, but you just don't understand it.

Speaker 2 But I think our guys understand it now.

Speaker 3 What are the chances you're watching? Do you watch the playoffs now? Are you just every game?

Speaker 3 Every game. You do.
You can't help it.

Speaker 2 I'm addicted to it. Yeah.
Every game. And the best now is my 10-year-old son, Lawson, is so hooked on basketball.

Speaker 2 He lays on me and he's huge. So I'm like, dude, get off of me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's going to, the guy's going to be 6'10, dude. Yeah.
He's talking about the calls the refs are making.

Speaker 2 He's, you know, is this a foul?

Speaker 2 It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 That's like, I mean, Jerry's, Jerry's, Jerry's boy is the same. Like, he's turning them into Knicks fans.
It's like, and Jerry, Luke knows.

Speaker 3 I mean, Luke's known Cole forever, but it's like Cole's 18 now. And it's just, it's just so fun

Speaker 3 to kind of, you mold them and you've been around. Like, obviously, you know, your kids are going to love basketball, Bonn, but that's awesome, dude.

Speaker 3 And he's probably around the arena all the time, right? With the guys and stuff. Is he good? Has he got a little, does he got game?

Speaker 2 So he's always, soccer's always been his thing and then over like the last year yeah which i love soccer's a beautiful game i love it i don't know anything about it so i can just sit there dude he's gonna be too tall for soccer cut cut box out like so when he plays soccer i just sit there and enjoy it but uh over like the last year and a half he's really fallen in love with basketball so he's out oh that's fun dude driveway every day it's raining out he's like dad come rebound for me and i'm like i don't want to come like i did this when i was a kid i don't want to go

Speaker 3 you can't say no man like That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 So we go out there and I got my sweatshirt on and somehow it's almost June and it's 45 degrees and raining out here still.

Speaker 2 But he wants to shoot all day long. So he's to answer your question, he's getting pretty good.

Speaker 3 Does he kind of do?

Speaker 1 I have a 17-year-old nephew who he's a big Knicks fan, but I feel like that generation and younger, obviously he's going to root for the Pistons and wherever you're coaching, but does he root for teams or is it more, I feel like the younger generation, it's about like a player.

Speaker 1 They'll lock on to a player and kind of follow that player around.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so he's a die-hard Pistons fan right now, but of course,

Speaker 2 his birthday is this Sunday, and he wants an SGA jersey. He wants me to take him to Oklahoma City for a game.

Speaker 1 It's beautiful this time of year, right?

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 2 So, but you're right. Yeah, he loves SGA, he loves Cade, he loves Ant-Man, and then he just tells me all about them all day long.

Speaker 3 I'm like, dude, that's the best.

Speaker 3 I wanted, I want to switch. I've never, I've heard, I've heard Richard, RJ, Richard Jefferson, who's one of your best friends,

Speaker 3 talk about

Speaker 3 college. And we have something in common because we both lost in the national championship game.
And I've never asked you specifically what happened.

Speaker 3 So we're going to go from Pistons in a great year to what the hell happened losing to Duke in the national championship game. By the way, you guys were number one team, right?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 Were you the number one team?

Speaker 2 I think so.

Speaker 3 That game was was loaded with guys.

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah. Like, I'd like to, you know, blame the refs or whatnot.
That dude was, they were really good.

Speaker 2 Our team was really good. Your team was stacked too.
I mean, yeah, between the two of us, there was like 10 NBA players in that national title game. But

Speaker 2 Dunleavy got hot late. According to Gilbert, it was Richard's fault.
According to Richard, it was Gilbert's fault.

Speaker 3 Sounds right.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was going to say those two are very similar.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it was, it was heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 I never wanted to. So I'm gathering you don't really want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 I don't at all. I don't.

Speaker 3 That's what happens when people ask me about Texas and Vince Young. I'm like, guys, dude, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 Please. Come on.

Speaker 3 Like, we, like, he was Superman.

Speaker 2 And here's the thing. Like, I couldn't stand Duke.
And now everybody, everyone I've met from Duke is like just an awesome person. Like, they're just good people.

Speaker 2 And it still kills me that I like all these guys now.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I don't really want to talk about that guy.

Speaker 1 Well, can I ask you this? Was it, did you, is it true you and did you and Richard host Gilbert on his visit? Is that, did I read that?

Speaker 3 Or that

Speaker 3 must have been fun.

Speaker 1 Cause yeah, he wasn't like a big

Speaker 2 giant prospect, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Coming out of the valley.

Speaker 2 It was like us in Kansas State were the only teams really on him. And we didn't know who he was.
And our starting guard the year before was a freshman with us, Ruben Douglas.

Speaker 2 And Gilbert came in and pretty much said, yeah, I'll start here next year because I dominated Ruben in high school for three straight years.

Speaker 2 It said this in front of Ruben.

Speaker 3 So we, you know, we gasped. It's like, Ruben's right there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And sure enough, by the start of the next year, like, Ruben transferred before the season even started because Gilbert was just dominating practice every day going into the season.

Speaker 1 That's just one of the biggest mysteries to me because obviously, like, even like seeing the highlights of you in that rec league game, like it's like so clear, like, okay, that guy is by far far at a 15 different levels than everybody here.

Speaker 1 Like, how does a player like that who turns into an NBA star go so overlooked?

Speaker 1 Like, even Kyrie, I remember watching this thing about Kyrie, where obviously he went to Duke, but he like walked into a camp. No one, he's like ninth grade, no one knew who Kyrie was.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was an exposure thing, and he just destroyed people. I just always wonder how, like, how isn't someone like Gilbert more recruited?

Speaker 1 And how does he turn into such a star, even in college? It seems like such a big miss, except for Arizona, who knew.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know how to answer that because, like, again, back then there wasn't social media or

Speaker 2 those things, but like, there's still scouting and magazines.

Speaker 2 And we'd go to the, you know, the bookstore every Tuesday when the magazines would come out and check out who the highest ranked players were.

Speaker 2 And whoever was doing that completely

Speaker 2 blew on the Gilbert one because he was like, he didn't come in and then get all

Speaker 2 get much like get better right away. Like he came in and was awesome like this kid could could yeah

Speaker 2 and i mean he could score so easily he was so athletic um he was a little immature but he was uh he was a lot of fun uh a lot of fun to be around what's your like are

Speaker 3 i just laugh when i think of rj we trying to get rj on the pod he's like yeah i got you i got you like bro i don't hear from him for two weeks typical but last time rj called me he talked for 12 straight minutes and then finally i felt like i was talking to my dad again.

Speaker 2 I'm like, dude, you called just to talk and then you're like, I got to go by.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 2 just leave me a voicemail next time.

Speaker 3 Did you run into him this year at all? Did he call any? Did he call the playoffs?

Speaker 2 He called game one of our Knicks series.

Speaker 3 That's pretty cool, man.

Speaker 2 He didn't even tell us he was coming. He literally texted J.B.
Bickerstaff, our head coach. He texted his wife, who also went to Arizona with us.

Speaker 2 She was a soccer star at Arizona and my wife, who played volleyball at Arizona, and

Speaker 2 told them he was doing the game and that he'd be in town. And JB comes back from his pregame media.
He's like, oh, Rich is doing the game. He's here.

Speaker 3 He didn't even text you. He didn't even text us.

Speaker 2 He was coming.

Speaker 1 Did you, did you know? So I'm also curious about, you know, coaching and when a former player, there's so many former players I've talked to and I even asked like, would you ever coach?

Speaker 1 That's like a hard no for them, which I, you know, but for you, did you always know that that's something you wanted to do? Like, when did it come to you?

Speaker 1 Like, I just love the game so much, I want to coach.

Speaker 2 Yeah, again, going back to that first year of retirement, I kind of separated my life in three, like retired life, which was hanging out with Matt every day, going to the gym, playing beach volleyball.

Speaker 3 That was a good life, buddy.

Speaker 2 Part-time coaching with the Lakers G-League team, and then part-time TV with the Lakers station. So,

Speaker 2 just to kind of see where I wanted to go.

Speaker 2 And after a year of that, it was clear to me that coaching was kind of where my passion was and still so much fun to be out there with guys competing, talking trash,

Speaker 2 trying to win together.

Speaker 2 And then Steve Kerr got the job that next year. So I called Steve and I was like, any chance I can get on staff?

Speaker 2 He's like, I just gave all my money to Alvin Gentry and Ron Adams, but if you're interested, we can talk. And I said, absolutely.
And Steve offered me the job and I've been coaching ever since.

Speaker 3 I'd say, just when you look at your path, like

Speaker 3 from the G or from LA to Sacramento to Los Angeles to Cleveland, like when you kind of look back to where you're now, is there something, not like what would you do different, but like something that you've really taken on this path to this point?

Speaker 3 That's like, maybe you get a head job again. I don't even know if you'd ever want to.

Speaker 3 even try and be a head coach again, but is there something that you kind of look back and say, like, man, if I could do this over, I would, or this is what I learned.

Speaker 3 And you played for Phil, who's one of the best ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 There's a lot that I've learned on this journey.

Speaker 2 You know, when I first got that Laker job, I'd only been coaching for two years up there with Golden State.

Speaker 2 And there's just, there's a lot of different things since then that I've, that I understand and different situations that I've been in that clearly have, it's like anything, even when you're a player, hopefully continuing to grow and understand the game more.

Speaker 2 And it's the same with coaching. So yeah, there's a, to answer your question, Matt, Matt, there's a lot I would do different and there's a lot I've learned since then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you have such a unique thing because I'm even, I was even thinking back to that 15, 16 Warriors team when you started off 39 and four.

Speaker 1 And so much in the layoffs right now is like, oh, well, the Celtics missed 53s and they're just going to shoot better. Or even the other night, you know, Minnesota missed 53s.

Speaker 1 And everyone talks about those Warrior teams of they shot the three and that's why they won. But I start going down that roster.

Speaker 1 I'm like, we need to have a Sean Livingston conversation, conversation, the dude who never missed from the mid-range. That team still had Andrew Bogut.

Speaker 1 Like, it was like, it was so much more than a, even though the Warriors, to me, were the first good shooting team to really rely on it. There was so much more to those teams.

Speaker 1 That must have been a great ride with that Warriors team.

Speaker 2 It was so fun.

Speaker 2 And what everyone loved the offense and the threes that Steph and Clay would shoot.

Speaker 2 But what really made that team special was the defense that we played along with it. And if you go back and look at the numbers, both years, you know, it was a top five defense.
Draymond, Bogut,

Speaker 2 Livingston, Barbot. We had just so many good.

Speaker 3 Iggy, right? Iguadala was on that year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you guys had a stacked team. I mean, it was, and to your point, like, none of those guys were, you know, three-point shooters like that.

Speaker 2 But they were so, they were just so smart and they were so selfless and all about the team.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's the only way you can win championships is when you have those type of players and role players and uh togetherness uh and you compete on both ends of the court uh and i think you see a lot of that kind of with uh that okc team right now right like they can they they they play so many different guys different series uh from game to game and whoever's playing is just all in uh they can play small ball they can play double big lineups uh and it's a lot of fun to watch and then they have you know in my opinion the mvp of the league out there to to finish games off for them if it's close So

Speaker 2 they're a lot of fun to watch right now.

Speaker 3 I feel like this is a common thread on this show because we get a lot of former athletes who have kids who are growing up. And obviously your dad, you know, Bill was great.
And

Speaker 3 I just went through this with Cole, like the time when

Speaker 3 I realized, like, damn, I'm passing the torch. Like, he's just fucking way better than me.
Was there,

Speaker 3 that was like four or five years ago. Because

Speaker 3 you know me, Lukey, I'm a little slow-footed lateral movement.

Speaker 3 i can't take him on the court i i used to go to body him was there i i i think it's just fascinating because i've read stories where you know you and your brothers wouldn't i i think like what like larry bird would come over and shoot at the house which i love to hear about that but like well at what age did you like tell pops like all right man like like when you were beating them one-on-one was there a specific time

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, he couldn't really, by the time we got big. Yeah, he wasn't walking.

Speaker 2 So he would just pull up his chair and sit there and, and, like, talk trash to us from the sideline. But there wasn't really that moment.
I never had that moment with him just because his body was so.

Speaker 3 You had it with your brothers, though, I'm assuming.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. And I, and their friends.
That's really what motivated me was like, I had two older brothers, and I just wanted to hang with them all the time, and they wouldn't let me play.

Speaker 2 So I was like, whatever, I'm going to get really good at this. And then I started busting all their friends' asses.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 eventually they're like all right we got luke on our team and we would just literally play all day in the backyard and i remember how good of a feeling that was so i can imagine cole's feeling pretty good right now that he knows he can dominate you matt by the way he would he if he saw you right now he'd be like luke can't guard me he's too old like he i was like i was like bro i i just had the conversation with him yesterday about there's this dude on a rec league who's like 6'5

Speaker 3 he's 40 but he's he's tough he's physical dude and i'm like cole you're not. I like, I'm like, buddy, you're not going to score.
He looked at me, Luke, he just goes, he goes, dad, are you serious?

Speaker 3 I go, I go, yeah. And he was dead serious.
He thinks he's better than everybody when he walks in the gym, which I kind of love.

Speaker 2 You got to love that. That's how you felt when you were his age, Matt.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's how I still feel sometimes, but then I realize when I'm out there, I'm like, shit, my calf, dude, my I pulled the Nate, dude.

Speaker 3 I pulled each one of my calves the last time I played, not down to the point where I was out, but

Speaker 2 you weren't out for two years with a calf strain.

Speaker 3 By the way, still mind-boggling. What the fuck happened to him? Like, bro, what did you do?

Speaker 3 Luke's best friend, one of our good buddies, literally pulled a calf, Jerry, but like tore it. This dude didn't play sports for like two and a half years.
We're like, what are you doing, dude?

Speaker 1 I'm going to say I don't blame him. I'm going to say I don't blame him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but this is at like 30. Like we were shit.
We were

Speaker 2 a professional athlete, too.

Speaker 2 It's still today, Matt. Anytime someone gets a calf injury, I send him a text.
I'm like, you think he's done forever?

Speaker 3 You think he's out for life?

Speaker 2 At least two and a half years, Luke.

Speaker 2 what what do you what do you remember about larry bird coming to the house you remember any specific stories it was awesome because larry was like we were all basketball fanatics and obviously like my son now loves the pistons loves kate cunningham uh

Speaker 2 like that's how we felt about larry so when he showed up to the san diego house in the summer uh and we he'd come in the backyard and play we have a great gym in san diego called muni gym right down the street and like people would lose their mind it would be my dad larry

Speaker 2 three of us out there playing. And Larry would talk so much shit.

Speaker 2 And like, it was just like, I can't remember how old I was at the time, probably eight or nine. But we'd play two, two on two in the back.

Speaker 2 And Larry would like score nine straight on Bill, talking trash. And then whatever one of us got to be on his team, he'd let like just keep shooting until they hit the game winner.

Speaker 2 And then the rest of the day, he would just call one of us game winner and talk trash. It was, it was so much fun.

Speaker 3 They say he's like one of the, maybe the best trash talker of all time. Oh, top five.

Speaker 2 The clips they have of like old players talking about some of the stuff he would say and do was just, yeah, it was, it was pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 Just the fucking

Speaker 2 stuff you could do about it.

Speaker 1 So before we let you go, we're going to get you out of here.

Speaker 1 Does Matt ever see the sand when you guys play beach volleyball? Or is it the first time in Matty Ice's career that he has to watch the big boys do it?

Speaker 3 Oh, I know. What is Matt like on?

Speaker 1 What's your role? I want to hear more about this sixth man thing, which sounds insane in Manhattan Beach, by the way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Matt, Matt's a winner. So what we do is we let Matt serve when it's a big point, and Matt gives great, great speeches during the timeouts.

Speaker 2 And occasionally, if we're playing a lesser team, we'll put them up there on the outside and set them up.

Speaker 3 Or no, no, I get a little butter. You remember me saying last year? That's right.
Here's the thing, Jerry.

Speaker 3 This is the thing about Luke and I, and this is, this is why I love Luke, because I see him now maybe once, twice a year. And

Speaker 3 my boy, but when we play in this fucking tournament and we got, we got a squad now, these guys are so competitive.

Speaker 3 These guys, these volleyball dudes, and they would tell you, but they're awesome athlete, man. They are like, I'm always mesmerized watching these guys jump in the sand.

Speaker 3 But there is a little, like,

Speaker 3 you got to have a little fucking fucking toughness and grit in these things.

Speaker 3 If you want to win, and me and Luke, every time we're down and we've been beat now by a nasty team in the finals, like two years in a row, but me and Luke always will be on the side road like, man, we're fucking not tough enough, dude.

Speaker 3 We got like, and Luke's like, and Luke's always like, Maddie, they don't fucking want it. They don't know what champions are.
Like, we, we all, we always have these side conversations that I've died.

Speaker 3 But I'm, my role, Jerry, I know my role, dude. Trust me.
By the way, Luke's a big part of the squad. Luke middle block, like, he brings intensity, fire, energy, all that.

Speaker 3 I'm bringing fire on the sideline. I do give a little speech.
I'm usually pretty hungover all weekend, but it's like I'm gonna have to come watch. You gotta come.

Speaker 3 Sounds like bringing kids, bring the wife.

Speaker 1 I'm coming out for that. I'm coming out to Manhattan.

Speaker 2 My wife played, yeah, Brie plays, played volleyball at Arizona, and she's still like.

Speaker 2 We have to plan our summer around six-man. Like, she's so over volleyball.
Like, she doesn't want to play anymore.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, we can do whatever you want, but I will be in Manhattan Beach for six-man weekend.

Speaker 1 So that's no, that's can't miss for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, my team needs me and i need my team so like it's there's no discussion about it we will be there for six man weekend i just got chills guys i'm coming for this that's very you should honestly do like i'll cover it i'll be the sideline reporter bro oh you'd be great you're you're a diehard sports man you would you would you would appreciate this and watching these guys play like it's it's pretty it's pretty ridiculous like the athleticism we just need to bring a little more heart and soul that's it and that's that's what we try to do every year yeah and me and you Matt, I can tell you one thing.

Speaker 2 We're bringing heart and soul, brother.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's what I'm saying, bro.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'll fucking punch somebody in the face out there if I have to. Let's fucking go.

Speaker 3 Oh, dude. Luke, can't thank you enough, man.

Speaker 1 That was awesome. Uh, I will see you this summer at the sixth man for sure.
And uh, yeah, keep doing your thing with the pistons, man. That was scary as all hell.
You put the fear of God into me, man.

Speaker 3 Real quick, do you have a, I mean, I don't know, as a current coach, can you like, do you have a prediction? Like, who do you think's going to win or who's the toughest team yeah i think

Speaker 2 i think okay

Speaker 2 i just think they're so deep i know they're young and they haven't they haven't been there yet but none of these teams that are left have been there yeah so i just feel like with what they can do and as long as they stay healthy obviously uh i i just see them being too much for the for for the uh for the other teams but I think both these series are going to be awesome.

Speaker 2 Like a lot of fun to watch and just looking forward forward to it.

Speaker 3 God, if the Knicks win the championship, I'm going to be sick to get to the next. Oh, you're going to have to get the

Speaker 3 show.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to quit the show. You're going to have to quit.
The throwbacks might be over.

Speaker 3 Although, I'm a Knicks fan. I become a Knicks fan.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, the Knicks are so. I mean, what they do is so impressive.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're fancy.

Speaker 2 And Jalen Brunson, oh, my, he is. He's a dog.

Speaker 2 He is. He is so special.

Speaker 1 Tom Thibodeau trying to kill load management one playoff win at a time.

Speaker 1 Seven guys. We trained for this.

Speaker 1 Trying to end the whole load management as as a thing.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 1 I feel like I need to call you guys Maverick and Iceman at this point. I feel like Luke is more Maverick, Matt.

Speaker 3 All right. I'll be ice to Mav all day, man.
That's my guy.

Speaker 3 Well, miss you, buddy. Thanks for coming on, man.

Speaker 3 I know you're busy. Give my best to

Speaker 3 Bri and the kids, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I will. And you do the same.
And I'll see you in SoCal after Summer League.

Speaker 3 I'll see you soon, dude.

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Speaker 1 All right, it's now time for Strapped In presented by NHTSA. Nitza reminds you to always wear your seatbelt, make it home safely to the people you care about.
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Speaker 1 Each week we kind of talk about, and we focused a lot on you because like, you know, strapping in for something, it lends itself better to athletics.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to bring you into the acting world for a second.

Speaker 1 And actors do indeed have to strap in for scenes from time to time. There's been stunts involving cars where I've driven a Ferrari around a racetrack where you got to get a little training.

Speaker 1 There's been stuff where you have to have fight scenes and you want to make sure everybody's okay. But really, I'm going to talk about for a second.

Speaker 1 This puts fear into every actor's heart for sure is if you know weeks in advance that you're having a love scene. It just

Speaker 1 and it's number one.

Speaker 3 How much anxiety does that give you?

Speaker 1 First of all, fortunate for me, that it's similar to an athlete. Like I actors have attributes.
That is not one that I get called on.

Speaker 1 Like if they're saying like, hey, we need a corner three shooter, it's different so but the few that i've had number one it's always not uncomfortable but you know you're you're sort of always being respectful of the other person you're doing the scene with but there's also 80 people around you but number two you know film lives on forever you gotta you gotta get you want to kind of i've seen a lot of people do some uh some crash diets talk about actors hitting the gym oh dude i feel like i'm always reminded they don't eat they don't eat for like seven straight days i feel like kevin connolly who played e

Speaker 1 had a scene like that in the entourage movie and obviously we had hundreds of cameos in the entourage movie so he was on that like hit not you know really eating light and working out like crazy kind of dehydrated i feel like it was liam neeson when he was doing his cameo walked into the hair and makeup trailer and just took one look at a dehydrated fatigued connolly drinking lemon water and was like oh you have one of those scenes don't you after like 300 sit-ups what's what's I'll say that what's more pressure playing in a national championship game or doing a shirtless love scene in the movie?

Speaker 3 I would say a shirtless love scene in the movie.

Speaker 1 There's nowhere to hide, Matt.

Speaker 3 There's nowhere to hide. And it lives on forever.

Speaker 1 Forever.

Speaker 3 What do you, let me ask you a question without going into detail right here. Again, we're strapped in with this.
We're strapped in.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 what are you, like, what are you wearing in that?

Speaker 3 Like, there's underwear, right? There is.

Speaker 3 There's rules to that.

Speaker 1 Oh, there is a intimacy coordinator someone who is there to make sure both parties uh are comfortable awkward there's there's things that are obviously separating you yes no it is it is there's a lot happening at least in my experiences it's always been professional and almost like all right now we have to it's so professional we have to still make this believable so let's like try to pretend we're enjoying this and not totally uncomfortable so uh but yeah man it's but it's more so the time leading up to those scenes where you're just.

Speaker 3 Dude, can you know you have to shoot that day, the night before? Talk about no sleep. You're like, fuck, dude, tomorrow really.

Speaker 1 It's so funny. So I always laugh about with

Speaker 1 the people who are good at those scenes, right?

Speaker 3 They're ripped. They're ripped.

Speaker 1 I make this joke with Brie all the time, too. Like, if I take my shirt off, dude, I grab it by the collar and I pull it over my head.
Those people we're talking about do the double arm cross.

Speaker 3 And it's like an unveiling.

Speaker 1 I've never taken my shirt off like that once in my life it's always like how do i do this as quick as possible so no one's gonna see you stretch you stretch

Speaker 1 that was like me in gym class in fourth grade dude just side like put it take it off real quick so i bet you you did not see that for our strapped in this week but shout outs to nitza again uh don't risk it click it or a ticket i'm glad we got that all out there you're you're getting you're giving me anxiety just uh

Speaker 1 just listening to that just getting a visual listen fortunately for me uh i only did that like three or four times even like power when i was was working on power, everyone has one of those scenes in power.

Speaker 3 It's like what were those scenes? I want to go, I want to go watch it.

Speaker 1 I literally, no, I taught, I told Courtney Kemp, the showrunner creator, I'm like, when I started working on a show, I'm like, Courtney, don't put me in one of those scenes.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 what were your two love scenes?

Speaker 1 In Entourage?

Speaker 3 I had. Was it in Entourage?

Speaker 1 I had

Speaker 1 two or three in Entourage.

Speaker 3 It wasn't Ronda Rousey. No, it wasn't Ron.

Speaker 1 It was Danya Ramirez, it was like the horrifying one. What do I mean by horrifying? It's like, it was like shirt off, full-on simulation, didn't enjoy that.

Speaker 3 I'm gonna go back to that.

Speaker 1 This other girl, John, Jana Kramer, oh, yeah, uh, was what was one. And then I had a few with movies and stuff like that, but uh, I'm glad we don't ever have to talk about this again.
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Speaker 1 So I wanted to know from you, I know we're not quite locked into baseball the way we were during the playoffs, but you know, we just had Yankees met Subway Series. Yankees took two out of three.

Speaker 1 All this Juan Soto stuff, which I do feel is being fabricated as many things by the media. Like he flies private by himself.
I think that's already been debunked as not true.

Speaker 1 Not hustling out of the batters box. That's kind of true.

Speaker 3 But he's now a lot of people that do that.

Speaker 1 He's getting the diva, took the money, left the Yankees, all this stuff, which I would have did the same exact thing, probably.

Speaker 1 But have you in your career, both back in college, into the pros, ever had to deal with a player that was having these, we'll call them diva-like traits?

Speaker 3 You have to call anybody out hardcore.

Speaker 3 No, I honestly, I, I, gosh, I mean, there, there were, I mean, there's probably like, like, I mean, look, like me and Reggie were treated differently at USC my senior year because of just adding up to that.

Speaker 3 Like, we had like literally security guards for us that would walk from,

Speaker 3 that's actually a great story. I can get on that note, but we would have security because there were so many fans on campus that wanted our autograph like on a

Speaker 3 day September. So, like, that probably is a little diva-esque, but it wasn't like, it was just to get from, from

Speaker 1 the media wanted you guys to be

Speaker 3 pointing you up. Yeah, it was just, it was just like autograph people, like, you know, the eBay people, all that shit.
But

Speaker 3 I thought about this, and it's actually

Speaker 3 quite opposite. And I'm going to tell the story because he could have been this way, and he just wasn't.
It was, I played with Edgar and James.

Speaker 3 And for those who don't remember, Edger and James, the great Miami Hurricane, great Indianapolis Colt in the Hall of Fame, which is so awesome.

Speaker 3 Played for the Colts with those Peyton Manning teams for like eight or nine years. My rookie year, he got, he was a big free agent pickup for us, signed to like a four-year deal.

Speaker 3 And it was kind of the tail end of his career, but he was incredibly impactful for me.

Speaker 3 You know, I didn't, I know it didn't work out for me there, but just seeing him and seeing what a Hall of Fame player and how he worked and all those things, he was the opposite.

Speaker 3 And what I mean by that is when he signed there,

Speaker 3 he stayed at the Ritz-Carlton up in Scottsdale or Phoenix. That's where he lived.
He didn't buy a house. He just kind of did his own thing.

Speaker 3 But the cool thing about Edge was he rented a house right by the facility for like a playhouse for all the guys to go over and hang.

Speaker 3 Like, like, not even like a crash bed, like here's, here's pool tables, here's this, here's that, just like to build the bond and the camaraderie. The camaraderie house

Speaker 3 in Tempe, like five minutes away from the facility, go there, it's always open, or here's a key. And dudes would go and just go and hang.
And this was my first year in the league. So like,

Speaker 3 I was coming from USC. Like, I'm coming from a very, like, like, we were in the spotlight.

Speaker 3 So, like, I was, I was just shocked because I still like, I'm like, damn, dude, I'm about to play with Edgar and James. Like, this is dope.
I'm about to play with Larry Fitzgerald.

Speaker 3 This is, this is sick.

Speaker 3 I just thought I saw it from a Hall of Fame player. And I saw that with Andre Johnson and Houston, Larry.
I played a lot of Hall of Famers, man. And like, I saw the opposite, which I'm pretty lucky.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 never really. played with someone like that, at least that had that kind of narrative around him and that perception.
It was actually quite opposite. I'd love to get EJ on

Speaker 3 because he's an incredible dude, incredible incredible stories. And he like, he was always like, he was, he was always the smartest dude I knew.
Like he saved his money.

Speaker 3 He was a, he's always a business thinker. He was like, I'm not spending my money.
Like, and so like, he just, he was awesome, man.

Speaker 3 So, uh, but yeah, like, he was, he was team first guy, even at that point in his career.

Speaker 1 So, like, the sort of thing where, all right, we just had a, you know, crazy practice, walkthrough, whatever.

Speaker 1 You could literally just cruise over to that house if you don't feel like going home just yet and order somebody. He called me

Speaker 3 some school, put on a game or whatever's on play video games it was a kick it house yeah it's just a kick it house uh he was uh he caught he just that's entourage baby all he yeah all he did ever was call me quarterback that's all he did if i text him right now he'd be like quarterback That's all he said.

Speaker 1 Well, he has the same thing that Walton has. Like, you don't really see, I don't see Edge on every podcast or every YouTube show.

Speaker 3 I reach out.

Speaker 3 Edge is one of the great dudes, man. Like, one of the great dudes.
He's not still in Arizona.

Speaker 1 I wonder where he is.

Speaker 3 Nah, he's in he's in miami he's got a lot of kids i know his oldest is a running back or football like he's playing college now maybe um he's a baller um but just an all-around good dude and like one thing too that i noticed when i was young in the league and i'd go to miami the hurricanes they run that city dude yeah they run that city who's the the one the one guy that runs that city is um

Speaker 3 who's a big lineman um mckinney i think brian oh yeah yeah yeah they were like,

Speaker 3 You need anything? You hit up him. I was like, What does that mean? He's like, You need anything? You hit it.
Like, he was like the mayor. Like, they just ran the town.

Speaker 3 Kind of like, I mean, I guess similar to like us at USC, but we were kids. Like, these are grown like adults.

Speaker 3 Like, you just needed anything in Miami, like, you hit up anyone that went to the you at that time.

Speaker 1 Honestly, if some of my like dream college football matchups,

Speaker 1 it would probably be one of those Miami teams versus you and the Reggie team. Like, that would probably, I think that's well, dude.

Speaker 3 The Miami 01 team, 01 yeah is I mean on paper those names I mean it's ridiculous it's absolutely you can go down the list on both sides of the ball probably 10 to 15 dudes and like more than half were either pro bowlers or will be in the hall of fame like it's that's that's how crazy that is Edge was an Edge was earlier do you remember Edger my first memory of Edgeron and I wonder if you you might not have been as big in college football at the time they played uh

Speaker 3 They played UCLA.

Speaker 1 I do remember this.

Speaker 3 Kate McNoun.

Speaker 3 I think it was in the bull game or was at the end. It was a big ass game.
And Edge ran. I don't know the numbers, but.
But he had a crazy stat line. He ran for like 250 or 300 against UCLA.

Speaker 3 UCLA was nice. That was like J.J.
Stokes, Kay McNoun.

Speaker 1 Might have been Deshaun Foster.

Speaker 3 No, I think, or it was.

Speaker 3 I don't know who it was, but yeah, Edge was.

Speaker 1 By the way, in Green Bay at the draft, when we were there, the coolest jersey I saw the whole time time was a Colts Edger and James jersey. Someone was rocking the, I saw the number.

Speaker 1 I'm like, come on, no way. And I turned around and said James on.
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In honor of the Cam Scataboo viral photo, Trevor,

Speaker 1 Trevor writes, what would the current rotation of jerseys for turtle be in 2010?

Speaker 2 Great question.

Speaker 3 from Trevor. Really good one.

Speaker 1 Easy answer. Brunson, cat, for sure.

Speaker 3 That's you're going cat jersey.

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 1 I think Brunson.

Speaker 1 I also have here Hart, and I think Turtle would rock like a Miles McBride. He didn't always go for the big flashy.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 I think you're going Jackson Dart and you're going, or you're for sure going Scatterboot.

Speaker 1 Going Scatterboot.

Speaker 1 That's probably number one. It's Brunson 11A Scatterboot.

Speaker 1 What's your favorite throwback giants jersey like if you could like like an lt or lt is fire i think like a bavaro one is super fire i love dave meggett as a kid number 30 maybe dave meggett that's why i always wasn't the player

Speaker 1 yeah big dave i loved like rodney hampton those teams and like uh a little later than that

Speaker 1 Dude, even though he got hurt and then Kevin Boss stepped in and unlocked like a whole other part of the offense, Jeremy Shocky was a fire.

Speaker 3 Jeremy Shocky was good.

Speaker 1 I think also turtle would probably i mean judge would be the easy way he'd be rocking volpe if it was a yankee he'd be rocking volpe would be the italian thing his throwback would probably be like a mattingly or if he did like a knick's throwback it would probably be mason or oakley and then i was thinking like what's a good what non

Speaker 1 New York jersey would turtle right? I think Turtle would rock like a white chocolate Jason Williams Kings jersey, something like that. I feel like as a non-

Speaker 3 Yeah, Turtle had a little white chocolate vibe to him for sure. Yeah, I think he would rock that.

Speaker 1 So So good question from there. And then I thought this one was pretty cool from the social media team.
A Michael Jordan jersey from the 93 season sold for 2.6 million.

Speaker 1 Pales in comparison, the most expensive piece of Jordan memorabilia all time is from the 98 finals, 10.1 million.

Speaker 1 So removing money from the equation, if it's not an investment piece, what would be a cool piece of Jordan memorabilia you would like to have? Taking money out?

Speaker 3 I mean, this is easy for me, and it's not even close to his probably most expensive it's his learn rookie card because i've come very very close to buying it very close it's a great buy that's like a gold bar well i mean there's only so many tens the tens are

Speaker 3 fortunate yeah i don't know if they're a million but they're high but like i was gonna buy a graded five and a six

Speaker 3 a six what was a six going for geez uh it was going for

Speaker 3 i think you could get it for like seven or eight grand. Seven or eight.
But I was getting it for five.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're winning on that all day.

Speaker 3 Or I was getting it for lower because

Speaker 3 actually I was going through our friend Josh Richmond, and

Speaker 3 I ran it by the wife, and she said, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 We have children, Matt. You cannot buy a car.

Speaker 3 I said, you're going to buy a Michael Jordan. She didn't even know a graded Michael Jordan card as an investment.
You're never going to sell it because my whole thing is like, it's an investment.

Speaker 3 But like, I'm not reselling it.

Speaker 1 You don't ever sell that investment. It's just a piece of

Speaker 3 the 88 FLIR card is

Speaker 3 just iconic. I collect cards.
I'm sure there's shoes. There's other things out there, but that would be my piece.

Speaker 1 So for me, I try to think off the beaten path. I would love to have that gold chain he used to rock.
And I think his rookie year or second year, it's almost like a choker. It did not dangle at all.

Speaker 1 It was like real tight around his neck, which was like the coolest thing I think I ever saw a basketball player do with the scripted Chicago on the jersey. Give me that gold chain.

Speaker 3 I would rock that.

Speaker 1 Also, I think it'd be really cool if you had the actual flu game sneakers.

Speaker 1 I have the replica, you know, I have a pair of Jordan flu games, but to actually have the game, the sneakers he wore, or even the jersey he wore in the flu game,

Speaker 1 you know, I could already see me having the jersey be like, don't touch it because there's germs on it. You might get the flu if you touch that jersey because that's the flu game jersey.

Speaker 3 I am fortunate to have taken a tequila shot at MJ in his flesh. In flesh.
And Oakley remembered it. Oakley remembered it.

Speaker 3 One of the best stories.

Speaker 3 I'll go to my grave with that story. My grandkids.
Remember Michael Jerry? Yeah. Grandpa had a nice shot at a Hollywood Club.

Speaker 1 Well, not many people could nurse the wounds of losing a game like you did at that time with like the guys who consoled you were Jordan and Oakley.

Speaker 3 And the best part was they called me over. That was like the coolest part was like Oakley came over and said, MJ wants to take a shot, wants to meet you, come over.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I was, I was like, when I brought that up to Oakley, I was wondering, I'm like, is he going to remember a long time ago?

Speaker 1 And I brought it up to him. He was like, oh, he was so, he was so mad and upset.

Speaker 3 We brought him right over. Yeah, he remembered it right away.

Speaker 1 And he was like, we, and I think they lost some money on that,

Speaker 3 to be honest, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think they were big on the Trojans for that one.
So good mail, bad questions. Great show today.

Speaker 3 I'll be, we'll see you courtside.

Speaker 1 I'll see see you on the guard tomorrow tomorrow night right friday night friday yeah tomorrow we'll and again we don't know we'll either be trying to go up 2-0 or try to knot it up at one bro it don't it don't matter if you're down one or up one you are your feet are touching wood there ain't nothing there no better place in sports than i'll tell you what too it doesn't matter what happens tonight in game one you got to win game two because you're either going to need to go one one or you know what go up 2-0 hold home court advantage step on their next by the way i just thought of this go on seventh avenue if they win by the way to 7th Avenue, and I'm going to party with everybody.

Speaker 3 By the way, I just thought of this, bro.

Speaker 3 Timothy Chalamet, you're going to be right next to Chalam. Oh, I mean, can we get him on the part?

Speaker 1 He has risen so high up the Knicks ranks. And you know, he's doing a great job before we close the show.
Our guy, and we have to get him on too. And this Pete Schraeger, okay, who's now all over ESPN?

Speaker 3 We're going to get him on training camp for sure.

Speaker 1 He was on GetUp the other day shouting out Nick's content creators on Twitter, who I know because I follow everything but these are guys who literally have their their entire business is like the nicks right they they're blowing up because blowing up like you thought i would dude you gotta be doing the good work for the nick you gotta talk to shalomay you gotta talk to shalomay he's gonna be he's gonna love you bro

Speaker 3 listen let's go

Speaker 3 so

Speaker 3 by the way if you're if you're if your nephew backs out just hit me up would you fly if i was like matt my nephew can't go i can't this ticket you can't i'm on i'm on vacation this weekend so no i can't I feel like I'll be able to see

Speaker 3 the seat. I feel like I'll be able to find someone.
I'll be sipping margaritas in Mexico this weekend. I'll get some golf balls while you're there.

Speaker 1 Thank you, everybody, for listening. Like and subscribe, and all that good stuff.
We'll catch you next week. Let's go.
Thank you, Luke Walton.