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What up, baby?

Listen, we got a lot to get to today.

God, we do.

There's so much going on right now.

You came through with a guest today, and I'm going to tell you why someone like who we have on the show today is a favorite guest, whether on our show or anyone's show.

We have Luke Walton joining us, who is a good friend of yours.

Why I'm excited to talk to Luke today and why I'd be excited to see him on any show is because Luke doesn't do shows.

He doesn't do podcasts.

He doesn't do YouTube shows.

Like he doesn't do it.

There's a lot.

There's like, I'll reach out to a lot of people and I don't really care with Luke.

I was like,

buddy, I love you.

Can you come on?

Like, I just, I was like, and I know you don't.

And if you say no, I won't care.

But he goes, for you, I'll do it.

I was like, awesome.

And I think people need to to listen to this because one, he's currently coached for the Pistons.

He, you know, he talks, he's going to talk, he talks Knicks and his thoughts on who he thinks is going to win the NBA championship.

But he and I had the greatest 2013 of all time.

And you have to tune in to listen why because it was absolutely fucking fire.

And let's also say you guys,

you guys were ring chasing.

We'll just say that.

You were also ring chasing together.

We were doing a lot of things and that was one of them.

Yes.

Wow.

We got an all.

Yeah.

He's going to be awesome i you know when you texted me that i'm like you know obviously i loved watching him play and then we just had to watch him coach the pistons against the knicks which i sweated every one of those games out and i was really thinking you really don't see outside of coaching you don't see luke walton anywhere and he's had such an amazing career both as a player and now a coach so it's a great get it's a great get think about like he he think about like when you actually think about his path like he obviously was a great role player for the lakers for a long time played with kobe and check like won two NBA rings.

Then coaching, right?

So he coached, he played for Phil.

He coached with Steve Kerr and the Warriors on some of those great teams.

He then got a head coach.

He coached.

So he coached Steph.

He coached LeBron as a head coach for the Lakers.

He coached a young Sacramento Kings team that was really fun to watch at the time.

Then he went back to the Cavs and now he's with the Pissouts with Cade coach Cade Cunningham, which is a future superstar in this league.

Tons of wisdom, tons of knowledge, a great dude and uh yeah man it's a great interview for everybody like like stick around it's it's fun to listen to him because like you said he doesn't he doesn't really do it he's very just kind of to himself quiet just kind of hangs you know so it's fun to it's fun to see him so before we get to luke walton i gotta know i mean we texted a little bit but i wanted to save it for the show how was your not your first but something you don't do often you played in patrick mahomes' golf tournament in vegas

how did it go Bro, the golf gods are calling me ever since I met you.

I did really.

Like, I actually,

so I'm going to, I'm going to name, I'm just going to name drop right now.

Drop the mic.

Do it.

No, no.

Well, Justin Thomas.

So Justin Thomas, friend of the show.

Like, and

I put out that story on Instagram of my swing, which, by the way, I don't have a good swing.

The problem with me is my back is tight.

Like, I don't have a lot of like movement, but like, I can't hit okay.

But I was messaging with him because he had commented and I was like, I was like, dude, Jerry is, I'm starting to get a little bit of the bug.

A little bit.

It's a little bit because now, like, you know, as you always said, like, these golf events, I've done them before.

Like, they're fun.

They're exciting.

So

I had a blast, man.

Mahomes does a great job.

First class, everything.

A little pairings party.

I hung out with my boy Manzel, who's also

love Johnny.

We caught up a lot.

By the way, the, like, I had a, it was me, Johnny, and, and Patch, and Mahomes' dad, who, by the way, we were talking baseball for like an hour and a half.

It was an awesome conversation.

Uh, shout out to Mr.

Mahomes, man.

He was fun to talk to.

And then the gala was Thursday night, and the gala was super cool.

Um, I ran into Kelsey, talked to him for a bit.

Whitworth, I was sat with Danny Amendola, um, just just a who's who, very obviously, as you can imagine.

Great job.

Mahomes and his wife do such like amazing things in the community and all the charities they work with.

And then golf last week, man.

I actually, I actually will say this.

Like, how'd you hit him?

I,

It's scramble, right?

Yeah.

But, like, I hit the ball way better than I thought.

Like, like, I putted.

We had, you know, we have a caddy and those things.

So my putting was, like, I was six inches within the hole on everywhere we were.

You know, where did they have you in the putting order?

Were you putting first, last?

I'm always.

I was, I always, I either just kick it off or I'll go second

because I don't like I'm you, I'm never the best one.

So guys, I'll give you guys the line, right?

But I was putting really, really well.

I made a, I made like a 15-foot 15-foot birdie putt, like just to kick off on one hole.

I was like, let's fucking go.

But dude, it's just like, it was fun, man.

It was fun.

Like, I can, I can, I can feel it.

I can feel it.

I can feel it.

Listen, if you would have told me with this show, we were going to get Dodgers Yankees World Series.

Okay.

Now we're going to get the Knicks in the Eastern Conference finals.

And now I got Maddie Leinert starting to get the golf bug.

Everything with this show I could have ever wanted is slowly starting

to happen.

I haven't told my wife that yet either.

So we'll see how that flies.

I think it's good.

Josie's cool.

She's going to, I think she's going to be happy you get out there.

No, I think it's going to be great.

Unless you turn into me, then you might start having some problems.

I don't have any problems.

My goal is, and I'm curious of like, like, like you, you play a lot more golf than I do.

And you got little kids too, but you play a lot more golf.

Like,

like, my goal is to play like two, like...

to get to two to three times a month,

which, by the way, is still like, you're playing once a week, which is, which is all I can really do anyway.

So I want to play more and more in these types of tournaments.

I want to get there.

I want to go to the range.

Like, I'm going to go to the range next week.

I'm going to go to the range once or twice by the house.

And just, I just want to hit, because the problem is, is I haven't, like, I don't know my clubs, right?

Like, I've had nice clubs for a couple of years, but like, I need to start to know my clubs and distances.

Cause I'm out there.

I'm like thinking, like, oh, shit, well, this is 180.

Like, I don't know.

Like, should I hit my six iron?

Like, I mean, I have a general idea, but like, I want to get, I need to get better.

I do have to say this is airing on thursday so you're seeing a much calmer version of me because nicks pacers game one has not tipped off by the time this airs knicks will either be up or down 1-0.

Let me just tell you, man.

First of all,

I got media members who I know.

My guy, Chris Manix, all these guys like, hey, let's do a

bet.

Now, you know, Mary, you and I did like a Dodgers Yankees bet.

I want to do a bet with you.

I will.

I will.

Listen, you want to do a bet with the Yankees or the Giants or the Rangers?

Sure.

I have enough to worry about.

Like, Mannix is like, you got to wear a Red Sock jersey.

I'm like, no, if the Knicks lose, that's the worst punishment I could possibly get.

Trust me.

Let me ask you.

I'm going to go wear a Red Sox jersey too.

Let me ask you a question.

Are you losing sleep at night thinking about the Knicks?

Whether win or lose?

Like, like I, and I want to say this, when I coach Cole's teams and like we're playing in the playoffs, like, and like, you'll get this when your boys get a little older and they're playing.

Like, you start to lose sleep because you're thinking about the thing.

Or, do you lose sleep knowing the Knicks have a shot?

I mean, a real shot to win an NBA championship this year.

Are you losing sleep after these games?

I'll tell you what, I am losing sleep after every game because, number one, if they lose, right?

If they lose, that means like, okay, well, I guess I can't listen to any podcast tomorrow, turn on ESPN, look at Twitter.

Like, I just, because I don't want to see it.

So, that bugs me.

When they win, and I'm like, solo, my kids are already asleep half the time.

I'm just on on Twitter as you've seen I am I am just yelling at every because like here I mean I've seen a lot of trolls on Twitter and you are one of the biggest trolls because I've been getting trolled I've been getting trolled my whole basketball fandom like it's all been one big troll because you guys

you guys have sucked for like 30 years and that's why like even arguing with these Celtic fans here's here's a sports term that needs to be retired.

I don't want to ever hear it again.

It's stupid.

Oh, why don't you hang a banner?

why don't you hang a second round banner because you beat the celtics like buddy so what you're saying is i shouldn't celebrate that every single person picked the celtics to beat the knicks in five six games i shouldn't be celebrating you don't think seventh avenue is going to be ripping out the telephone poles going nuts like just stop hang a banner yeah i'm not hanging a banner because it's not a championship but that's a dumb term and you're not you're you're not taking this away from me the joy because i've suffered i was there no this is no disrespect.

I was there for Emmanuel Moody.

I was there for Chris Duhan, Frank Nilakina.

And these are all players that I thought were going to change the franchise.

Chris Copeland.

You've been

let down your whole life.

I mean, let's just face it.

You've been let down.

Retire that term.

Hang a banner.

Will you go?

I know we talked about this last time.

Is there.

Oh my God.

I just got a huge email, Matt.

I just got a huge email.

You got invited to a game.

It looks like I'm going to be in the building for game two.

Hold on to your motherfucking hat, bro.

Holy shit.

So what you're trying to say is you just got fucking courtside game two.

Hell yeah, you're fucking going.

What I'm trying to say is I am literally

a plane ticket right now.

I just got goosebumps for you.

Look at you, dude.

You're like a five-year-old on Christmas morning.

I don't think people, I try to tell people too with like the Knicks court side stuff.

Wait, what are you wearing, dude?

What are you wearing?

I haven't even begun to think about it.

Oh, you're wearing.

You might have bust out those shoes that are right behind you with your fucking Knicks starter jacket, your Knicks jersey, and your Knicks hat.

You don't want to wear the fuki.

These things have never touched the floor, man.

No, I don't.

I don't want you to wear those.

I don't want you to spill popcorn on that shit.

I will just be locked in, and this series is going to be tough.

And we're going to talk to Walton about it too.

But I just.

If you want to make a bet with me about the Yankee, sure, because it's been nothing but great giants.

I have a bet with Colt Nost.

Like, we bet.

No, I want the Knicks to win.

I was just thinking, if the Knicks win the championship,

you get you're like, you'll shave your head.

If the Knicks win the championship, I would maybe get Knicks tatted for sure somewhere on my body.

And I have zero tats.

There you go.

And I come from a place where everyone's tatted by 13.

Can we confirm that?

Can we confirm that?

We could do that.

If the Knicks win a championship, will you get a Knicks tattoo?

Please, right now.

Too much is happening right now.

Too much is happening.

Would Bri approve?

I just got fucking amped for you.

Listen,

she would probably disapprove but like i said no one's taking this joy now that being said right now as you're listening to this the knicks could be down 01 like i yeah this series yeah let's yeah let's not jinx this dude let's not lock we gotta lock in

but giants i mean you did you see i know you saw right uh i got so fired up at the draft when they drafted cam scataboo this went i don't know what even is viral i don't even know what's viral anymore well i'll tell you what's viral let's put up the picture hold on we got i know we got a picture cam scataboo so that's so that picture went viral right so so that's the picture of of uh I think that's Isaac too so I know Isaac and Cam Scatabu in a Michael Strahan jersey is that a recent is that recent right that's after he got drafted this is like yeah

he's definitely not wearing that

The Cam Scatabu moved to New York and immediately turned into turtle for Montourage.

And that shit went off.

And now let's post the next picture because we have,

I mean, dude.

Look at that Allen Houston jersey I'm broken.

But I just want to say this about you really quick.

I mean, we've seen some glow-ups in this world when we've seen some glow-ups.

And by the way, that fucking turtle picture, turtle's a beast, bro.

Like, look at that.

That's just swag city.

Just don't give a fuck about anything.

All right.

Except the Knicks.

Except the Knicks.

But man, you were about three bills at some point.

You can get a 5'6.

You're a glow-up now, 5'6.

What do you buck 80?

And that picture.

Wait, now.

Right now.

160?

160.

160.

That picture, I'm like 208.

No double chin, fucking, like, you know, jawline.

But most importantly, Maddie Ice, I'm rocking an Allen Houston jersey in 2008.

Yeah, but 2008.

But those were good Knicks teams, though.

That was

the last time.

The last time they made the conference finals was the Spreewell, Allen Houston, beating the Knicks the Heat in game five.

Patrick Ewing got hurt.

Marcus Canby balled out.

That was like the last time we ever tasted this.

Marcus Canby.

Do you think that when that picture was put out on X, do you think Cam Scataboo knew who Turtle was for Montourage?

So I actually don't.

There it is.

Look at the side-by-side.

That shit's got to go up.

By the way.

Is that real heights?

Scataboo can't be more than five.

I tell you what, I'm 5'6.

So does that look like 5'6 versus 5'10?

God, you're short.

I'm short.

I just realized how short you are.

I've been short my whole life.

So it's not.

Well, you were short and wide back in the day.

Now you're just short.

By the way, though,

you wouldn't have wanted me guarding you,

even though you were athletic.

I can't just fucking turn around and just shoot right there.

That's fair, but I'm just saying, 5'6, 2 bills with that.

little bowling ball.

Your head would be right in my belly, but that's what I'm saying.

I'm going like into your hips and knees, bro.

I'm a problem for you.

Not to scale.

We just got word.

That picture is not

to scale.

But no, I don't think cam scataboo knows he's look he's a young dude some people he's a dog man stumble onto entourage maybe they never will but all i will say he for sure google he for sure googled you my number one guest that i now want on this podcast after luke walton luke walton's a huge one i and i'm reaching out to members of the giants i'm trying hard i need you to pull all your nfl connections here I want Cam Scatabu on this show.

I just got to talk to him.

I'm going to get him on

swag king.

That is a giants player.

When I talk about the giants players, I mean like

throwback to the Eli teams and back in the day, that's such a giants player.

I'm so excited for Cam.

And I will say, Cam.

Let me say, Turtle was on to some things in Entourage.

All right.

He was the first to kind of go sneaker culture on TV.

Video game tournament before it was popular back in 08.

He literally started Hot Girl Uber.

That was a thing.

He started a car company.

It was basically hot girls driving Ubers.

It was Hot Girl Uber.

And lastly, Turtle was the genius behind celebrity-endorsed tequila.

He did it first.

Vince was the lightning rod.

So, Cam, I mean, you're a fucking trendsetter, bro.

Let's go.

You're a trendsetter.

Oh, that's good, man.

Well, it leads us to all, I mean, there's not a whole lot going on in the NFL right now, but.

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basically give them eligibility to compete in the 2028 olympics on the flag football team i don't know if there's tryouts i don't know how the teams are going to be picked but they are allowed to play in the olympics which i think is rad when you look at sports first of all like i think every if you're an athlete and even probably you too jerry like like to win a medal or to represent your country is like the greatest thing in the world right football has never had that opportunity because you just can't play tackle football in the olympics and also just wouldn't be fair like just you just can't do it and you're seeing more and more olympic sports like happen like um like obviously flag football women's gonna play flag football in 2028 to see our best athletes in the world compete in flag.

I love flag football.

I started in flag football.

We have a bunch of flag football leagues in Orange County.

Like, I coach my kid in flag football.

I love the sport.

How, like, it is.

It's freaking insane.

Well, it's like,

it's a guaranteed gold medal, right?

Like, who's going to, who's going to, listen?

We got to do a little research because we're already really good.

Like, we got really good players, and it is a different game than especially quarterback.

Receivers are running routes and all that, and you're making guys miss.

Like, that's, that's, that, that tracks.

Remember, can we get the name of the quarterback for the U.S.?

I think Dussette is his last name.

Uh, he's a dog, but like, Daryl Hoosh Dussette.

Daryl Hoosh Doucette.

Have you seen highlights of this kid?

He's unbelievable.

He's unbelievable.

And, but, but my point is, is like, is there going to be a quarterback competition between him and whoever

Jaden Daniels, who that would have been my NFL pick.

Jaden Daniels with the accuracy would have been my flag football.

Yeah, who, so who, if you could build five, so you get five on offense, five on defense.

If you want to do defense, you can.

But who are your five?

You get a quarterback, two receivers, a center, and a running back.

I mean, it's it.

Travis Hunter was created for this.

Now, he was created for NFL football as well.

And again, I guess you have to really, I wonder how the franchises are going to be about this.

Like,

do you want your star athlete, you know, your star player in 2028?

You're also missing training camp.

You probably will miss some camp, right?

Or at least the early days.

Yeah, but they would do it.

Yeah, the timing.

Travis Hunter certainly seemed like, because he solves both, you know, you got to have DBs too, obviously, to cover.

So Travis Hunter, I think, would be my number one pick.

Really?

Well, because I'm just looking at the dude could go.

If he's going to go both ways in the NFL, all right.

Well.

For me, it's Jaden Daniels because I feel like, yes, you need to have mobile legs, but I don't know if you, do you quite need the Lamar Jackson mobility and flag?

I mean, I know it doesn't hurt, but I gotta, I mean, I know, I know there's like a pass rush, so you need to have the right.

I like the I like the Jaden Daniels accuracy for something like flag football.

Yeah, and this is three years from now, two, three years from now.

So I think Lamar is still still in his prime.

Tyler Murray could be an interesting one.

For sure.

Jaden Daniels, someone obviously that can just have a lot of money.

And I would mix up like on the receiving side, I would mix up, like, obviously, like a Tyreek Hill would be incredible, but I think you want some of the big body like a, you know, like Brock from the Raiders.

Like, I think you want a big body.

See, Brock Bowers would be by center.

Right.

Because they're L.

Yeah.

I think you want some big body.

And I'm trying.

I was trying to think, like, who also is

just a huge receiver.

Like, and every time I think about it, I keep coming back to the tight ends.

AJ Brown is big.

DK Metcalf.

I mean, Jamar.

Jamar's, but Jamar's not big.

I just like, that's what I mean.

If we start doing this, who the hell on earth is going to be?

How fun is it going to be?

Like, there's going to be like, is it so?

Like, in USA basketball, there's, there's tryouts.

Most of the team is picked, right?

Like, you know, Steph was going to be on the team.

You know, LeBron's going to be on the team, like, some of those guys, but you do have to make it for like those last two years.

I think Justin Jefferson said like his dream was to win a gold medal.

So, like, are they going to have like, are you going to have tryouts and you have like the top eight receivers in the NFL all trying out to make some guys aren't going to play, but dude, are we going to do a dream team?

Are we going flag football dream team?

That's essentially what we could we could have the first ever nfl dream team dude outside of pickleball i mean flag football is just absolutely booming now also like i was thinking about this too you got to start having the conversation about like a sauce gardener or a stingley like you have to be able to cover how you don't really need yeah you just you need all those fast dbs you don't need fast quick titchy dbs that can just and you need a linebacker

do you though like the but like because you're watching quarterback you want you're really looking for speed and agility.

You can need power.

You could throw like a Travis Hunter at middle linebacker, right?

This is going to be so fun.

I know.

The strategy is going to be crazy because obviously they do flag football for the Pro Bowl now because no one really cares about the Pro Bowl.

So they've tried everything to fix that.

Now they do the flag football game, which is actually

kind of fun to watch.

I mean, like they're competing a lot.

you know, harder than they are with tackle because they don't want to get hurt.

Is there any part of it, though, that's like, if you're a sauce gardener or Travis Hunter and they want you to be on and you're but you're like, you know, you got to remember these guys, these men and women are playing flag football all year round and it is a different game.

It's a different game.

Do you want to be exposed on the Olympic stage potentially with a dude from that you never heard of from Brazil who absolutely played like 10 years of soccer and is now an elite flag football player.

I would love to know exposed.

I would love to know like who's good in flag football.

I'm just looking up flag football world rankings.

We'll come back.

You know what?

Let's look at the social.

Let's do our draft of players.

Oh, here you go.

USA is one.

Austria.

Austria.

Two.

Mexico, three.

Germany, four.

This is men's 2024 IFAF Flag Football World Rankings.

Austria.

Yeah.

Don't know if I would have picked Austria.

Well, I don't know.

Just based on points.

Very excited for that.

Yeah, man, that's going to be fire.

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I know you don't do a lot of these.

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And he goes, fine.

Yeah, I want to put that in there too.

If I happen to have a third kid, which I'm probably not, but if it's a boy, we'll put Luke on the table as a name just for doing this podcast.

Oh, that's

awfully awfully nice of you.

I appreciate it.

And like

Matt's family.

So if Matt texts and asks me to do something, I'm going to do it.

Oh, you're so, dude.

You know what I was thinking about?

You'd be so proud of me because I am currently dominating our local rec league.

And we just talked about this before.

And

I want to talk to you about our experience about 12 years ago, which might have been the greatest rec league ever assembled.

But dude, I'm playing Monday Nights at Bay Club, 35 and older.

I got roped into this.

They take stats, right?

So you get to get your stats online, which I think is the best part about it.

Do you want to know what your boy is averaging right now?

I'm a walking double-double, dude.

I'm 15 and a half and 11 and a half boards, four assists a game.

By the way, that's like a Luke Walt in the Arizona stat line.

Yeah, no, that's a good one.

But I knew the double double wasn't coming with assist.

I played with you.

But to your credit, you're a scorer, Matt.

Bro, I'm a black hole outside the three-point line.

The only time I played with Jerry,

I took Jerry.

Jerry came and we were doing some shows together in L.A.

and I took him to the Bay Club and we were playing with Cole, who's a big player.

He told me it was all old men and it was not.

It was old.

Our team was like me, Cole, Cole's boys who play Acosta, who are like 6'5, and Jerry, poor Jerry.

The only shot he got, he airballed shit.

In fairness to me, Luke, these dudes were playing with like a clock.

I never played like organized pickup with like a clock, like a running clock.

So I saw the clock ticking down.

I hoisted up a three.

But yeah, Matt, actually, there's a clip out there.

You guys got a ring together, basically, right?

You won a championship in rec league, no?

We have a ring.

It was one of the greatest years of my life, right after I retired from playing in the NBA.

Tell us about this.

So you're a year removed from the NBA, and you're not quite done yet.

It would still have the itch to play.

So we get a great idea to put a league together.

But not only are we playing in a rec league, like Matt and I are at Equinox working out seven times a week.

We're playing beach volleyball four times a week.

I'm part-time coaching with the, with the Lakers G-League team, and also recruiting players that aren't getting minutes to come play on our rec team, which

I was unsuccessful in that free agent signing.

But it was literally like, it was an awesome year.

And yeah, we won a, we won a hard-fought title together.

And dude, I

told Jerry, I said, I said, we retired the same year and we would go.

I literally said, I said, dude, we would go to Equinox five days a week.

Just get Luke would always say, let's get meaty today.

Let's get meaty.

We would go, we'd train.

We would go to the, remember the little restaurant right next door?

We walk over there or we get a smoothie or we go to Houston's for lunch.

But the best part, do you remember what you made me do with you?

We used to go get foot massages.

That's right.

That's right.

Was it your boy Danny?

or is it this guy?

Danny used to keep going.

He worked at the back of a nail salon and he did reflexology and it hurt so bad, but he was so good at it.

How many, were you,

were there a lot of former NBA guys?

Because if I'm rolling up and like, all right, let's see who we got week one and fucking Liner and Walton come walking out.

I'm like, guys, let's just go home.

Let's go get some food.

This is stupid.

We're not playing in there.

No, there was, there was no other.

Remember the Drew League guy that you beat in the finals?

That kid was good.

He was good.

Yeah.

He was good.

He was talking too much trash, though, for a rec league game.

But he was pretty good.

And not only that, like

we had a bunch of 6'9

beach volleyball players.

So we looked, like, if you walked in the gym, like, you thought you were going to lose by 40.

But what we also learned was beach volleyball does not carry over to

so soft.

Well, it's, it's, we're, we're going to talk about six man at the end, but it was, I remember like, Jerry, Jerry, you got, you've seen this with me.

Like, athletes are like just hyper-competitive in everything.

So, like, we were there and we were putting together this team.

And, like, these volleyball players are great athletes, but they're great athletes on the sand, which, by the way, I'm a terrible athlete on the sand.

So, I respect them, but you, but it doesn't like, remember, Johnny, like I mentioned, Johnny Hack and we got guys six, nine, who can't like literally have two right hands.

I'm like, bro, we would get pissed.

I'd be like, dude, you're not, you're not fucking playing, dude.

Like, you're sitting on the bench.

Like, we need, we need fucking dogs out there.

Eventually, Johnny got mad and stopped showing up to games.

Yeah, we hurt Johnny's feelings for sure.

And before, dude, we got to talk about the current NBA.

But the last thing is, I was, we were watching this clip, and there's a clip on YouTube.

If anybody wants to go watch it, it's an awesome clip.

Just type in both our names rec league.

And it's a four and a half minute clip of Luke diving on the ground, just absolutely dominating this, dude, like hitting threes.

I remember saying, like, bro, you don't hit, you didn't hit threes in the NBA.

But you were hitting like nine threes a game in this shit, dude.

That wasn't my role on the team.

You want to make it.

We have Kobe and Powell.

My role was to give them the ball.

And I was totally okay with that.

So I wanted to ask you something, too, because I really think I know the answer.

But so when you were coaching with the Cavs, I am now in Cleveland.

That's where my wife was born and raised, went to a lot of Cavs games.

And I think it was the Celtics year when you guys played the Celtics in the playoffs round two, I guess it was.

They sat me first row right behind the Cavs bench, which is the worst seat for a short person ever.

Like, I got Tristan Thompson sitting right in front of me.

I feel like, though, there was a few times you come in after a timeout, you looked at me, and you gave me a head nod.

Do you have any recollection of me being at a Cavs game?

It's okay if you have no idea that I was there or who I even was at that point.

You don't even know who you are now, Jerry.

That's a lie because

when I played for the Lakers, you guys used to do some filming at our games.

Yes.

Yes, all the time.

And that was our show.

Like, I remember Jordan farmer and i'd get together and watch it every every time a new episode came out so yes i remember you being there i was i was juiced to see you that was a real headnot okay

me and my i'm like wait i think i tell my wife i'm like i dick luke just gave me a headnot he wasn't looking at you he wasn't he wasn't looking at you so all right good to know well dude you current i mean i i love watching you man i remember i remember when we had that year and then a couple years i was like why are you still coaching man come hang at the south bay but you're continuing to now you're with the pistons and you guys had a hell of a year, you know, fell short to the Knicks.

But,

you know, just like trajectory of this team, like how fun was this team to coach?

And, you know, how do you guys continue to get better going into next year?

Yeah, it was beautiful.

And that's the fun part.

And you talked about it as an athlete, how competitive you are, which is why I've stuck with coaching because you get to still compete at that highest level.

And, you know, one of the beautiful things about sports is when a team really comes together.

And that's what we had here in Detroit this year.

Obviously, we, you know, coming in here for the first year wasn't a lot of high expectations with the season they had the year prior.

And we had a group of guys that just bought in and wanted to get past what they went through the previous year.

And

it was honestly one of the most fun coaching years I've had.

And I've been on

a lot of

fun teams that.

that have had a lot of success.

But it was awesome to be part of this ride this year.

And, you know, next year, obviously that you get better by building on what you went through and and the hope is uh and you know uh matt i don't know how high of a level you played in jerry but like when you lose

when you lose in like a playoff series or a you know a championship round like it motivates you so much because you just want to get back there and get past where you were so the hope is uh the guys feel that they felt how exciting nba playoff basketball is for a lot of them, it was their first time ever being there playing in those type of games.

And then, you know, we just build on what we started this year.

You, I mean, you coached, I think you coached Steph, you coached LeBron in L.A.

How, it was fun to see Cade Cunningham.

You know me, I'm a basketball fan.

I like to see these young stars.

And I feel like there's all this talk about that that older generation is kind of coming down to end Steph, LeBron, KD, and then this younger generation with Ant.

And you can even throw Brunson in there.

You know, Jalen's been outstanding, outstanding, but like Cade Cunningham was a star this year.

Like, do you see some of that?

Like, is this a kid that you're like, okay, we could build around this kid?

Players are going to want to come play with Cade because he's, he continues.

It's like, you know, like, like Shay, right?

He continues to elevate his game.

Yeah, he's, he is the real deal.

And you can 100% build an organization around him.

And one of the best things that, you know, you just never know until you're with the guys every day is his leadership ability for his age is just it's it's unbelievable.

I mean, he, he cares

not only about winning and the, you know, doing the right thing, but he cares about his teammates.

He has no problem calling people out if, you know, people are complaining or bitching or whatnot.

And then he gives players love when they need love.

And for him to have the emotional awareness and

the care factor of that at his age is like, it's just awesome.

You don't see it very often in this league.

And it's, it's exciting to know that, you know, we got him with us.

So, look, I'm, I'm a huge Knicks fan.

I'm obviously sweating out this whole Pacers series, but I've been, me and all the million Knicks group chats that I'm in, we keep talking about that Detroit series.

And I'd wonder as a, as a player and even as a coach, if this is even a thing.

So.

Obviously, everyone in the media was like, oh, the Knicks don't want to see the Pistons.

And then in the back of my mind, I'm like, yeah, you're kind of right.

That's going to be tough.

But I'm like, I should be able to handle it.

Every one of those games could have swung the other way.

Every one of the, especially like Campaign comes out in game one and goes berserk.

I don't think he's scored that many points since he played.

And obviously, Asor Thompson, like, I feel like that almost prepared the Knicks going into like the Celtic series.

Like, if you could score on Asor Thompson, you could score on anyone.

And is there something to like, you know, the Cavs kind of played, you know, the Heat who kind of didn't seem like they wanted to be there as a pretty, like, is there something to just, hey, getting ready for playoff basketball, game one, round one, it was on from Joe.

For sure.

Yeah.

And there's levels to it.

If you're, you know, if you're a championship team and you've done it before, you can have an easier first round and still mentally be ready for that second round.

But to your point, yeah, like the series we had with the Knicks, like you were razor sharp going into that next series, just like we would have been if we could have found a way to win some of those late games,

as opposed to where you kind of have a cakewalk in the first round, and then all of a sudden you're hit with an intensity that you haven't seen yet.

So, as far as that is for sure, I think our series with the Knicks really

kind of helped them get to where they needed to go because, I mean, they, like you said, every game was coming down to the end.

So, you know,

you're as sharp as you can be coming out of that series.

Well, I think that, yeah, that's the thing too.

When they say, I never really knew when they say, oh, this is great experience for a young team because the young team still wants to win, right?

Like, it's not like, oh, hey, we, we play them tough.

Uh, that being said, your team is so young that I really do think that that series, like there is no doubt going into the playoffs next year that the Pistons are going to know exactly where they need to be.

mentally, emotionally, physically.

Yeah.

And you're right.

Like we're, we were heartbroken here.

You know, we, we wanted to win.

Like

at the time, you don't care that you got the experience.

You know, in hindsight, big picture, like the experience is everything and it's awesome.

And now, like, when you're coaching, we always talk about like coaching is like parenting.

It's like you tell your kids what to do, you tell them what to do, what's going to come.

And then

you get there and, you know, you make mistakes, but then you're like, ah, yeah.

So they do know what they're talking about.

And hopefully then you go into the next year and it's like, this is why boxing out is so important this is why following a game plan is so important because when you get to the playoffs it's every possession that ends up you know winning and losing a series and you have to train your mind to be at that level and until you get to that level people can tell you all day long but you just don't understand it uh but i think our guys understand it now

what are what are the chances you're watching do you watch the playoffs now are you just every game you do every game you do you can't help it to it yeah every game And the best now is my 10-year-old son, Lawson, is so hard to find basketball.

He lays on me and he's huge.

So I'm like, dude, get off of me.

Yeah, he's going to, the guy's going to be 6'10, dude.

Yeah.

He's talking about the calls the refs are making.

He's, you know, is this a foul?

It's a lot of fun.

That's like, I mean, Jerry's, Jerry's, Jerry's boy is the same.

Like, he's turning them into Knicks fan.

It's, it's like, and, and Jerry, Luke knows.

I mean, Luke's known Cole forever, but it's like Cole's 18 now.

And it's just, it's just so fun

to kind of, you mold them.

And you've been around.

Like, obviously, you know, your, your kids are going to love basketball, Don, but that's awesome, dude.

And he's probably around the arena all the time, right?

With the guys and stuff.

Is he good?

Has he got a little, does he got game?

So he's always, soccer's always been his thing.

And then over like the last year, yeah, which I love.

Soccer's a beautiful game.

I love it.

I don't know anything about it.

So I can just sit there and watch it.

He's going to be too tall for soccer.

Cut, cut, box out.

Like, so when he plays soccer, I just sit there and enjoy it.

But over like the last year and a half, he's really fallen in love with basketball.

So he's out

in the driveway every day.

It's raining out.

He's like, dad, come rebound for me.

And I'm like, shit, I don't want to come.

I did this when I was a kid.

I don't want to go.

You can't say no, man.

So we go out there and I got my sweatshirt on.

And somehow it's almost June and it's 45 degrees and raining out here still.

But he wants to shoot all day long.

So he's to answer your question, he's getting pretty good.

Does he kind of, do I have a 17-year-old nephew who he's a big Knicks fan, but I feel like that generation and younger, obviously he's going to root for the Pistons and wherever you're coaching, but does he root for teams or is it more, I feel like the younger generation, it's about like a player.

They'll lock onto a player and kind of follow that player around.

Yeah.

So he's a diehard Pistons fan right now, but like his birthday is this Sunday and he wants an SGA jersey.

He wants me to take him to Oklahoma City for a game.

It's beautiful this time of year, right?

Exactly.

So, but you're right.

Yeah, he loves SGA.

He loves Cade.

He loves Ant-Man.

And then he just tells me all about them all day long.

I'm like, yeah, Dude, that's the best.

I want to switch.

I have never,

I've heard Richard, RJ, Richard Jefferson, who's one of your best friends,

talk about

college.

And we have something in common because we both lost.

in the national championship game.

And I've never asked you specifically what happened.

So we're going to go from pistons in a great year to what the hell happened losing to Duke in the national championship game.

By the way, you guys are what number one team, right?

Yes.

Were you the number one team?

I think so.

That game was loaded with guys.

I mean, yeah, like I'd like to, you know, blame the refs or whatnot.

That Duke was, they were really good.

Our team was really good.

I mean, we, yeah, between the two of us, there was like 10 NBA players in that national title game, but

Dunley V got hot late.

According to Gilbert, it was Richard's fault.

According to Richard, it was Gilbert's fault.

Sounds right.

Yeah, I was going to say those two are very similar.

Yeah, I mean,

it was heartbreaking.

I never wanted to.

So I'm gathering you don't really want to talk about it.

I don't at all.

I don't.

That's what happens when people ask me about Texas and Vince Young.

I'm like, guys, dude, shut the fuck up.

Please.

Like, we like he was Superman.

And here's the thing: like, I couldn't stand Duke.

And now everybody, everyone i've met from duke is like just an awesome person like they're just good people and it it still kills me that i like all these guys now uh but uh yeah i don't really want to talk about that

well can i ask you this was it did you is it true you and did you and richard host gilbert on his visit is that did i read that or that

that must have been fun because yeah he wasn't like a big nobody giant prospect right yeah coming out of the valley it was like us in kansas state were the only teams really on him.

And we didn't know who he was.

And our starting guard the year before was a freshman with us, Ruben Douglas.

And Gilbert came in and pretty much said, Yeah, I'll start here next year because I dominated Ruben in high school for three straight years.

It said this in front of Ruben.

So we, you know, you gasped.

He's like, Ruben's right there.

Yeah.

And sure enough, by the start of the next year, like Ruben transferred before the season even started because Gilbert was just dominating practice every day going into the season.

That's just one of the biggest mysteries to me.

Cause obviously, like, even like seeing the highlights of you in that rec league game, like it's like so clear, like, okay, that guy is by far like at a 15 different levels than everybody here.

Like, how does a player like that who turns into an NBA star go so overlooked?

Like, even Kyrie, I remember watching this thing about Kyrie where obviously he went to Duke, but he like walked into a camp.

No one, he's like ninth grade.

No one knew who Kyrie was.

I don't know if it was an exposure thing and he just destroyed people.

I just always wonder how, like, how isn't someone like Gilbert more recruited?

And how does he turn into such a star even in college?

It seems like such a big miss, except for Arizona, who knew.

Yeah, I don't know how to answer that because, like, again, back then, it wasn't social media or

those things, but like, there was still scouting and magazines.

And we'd go to the, you know, the.

the bookstore every Tuesday when the magazines would come out and check out who the highest ranked players were.

and whoever was doing that completely blew on the the gilbert one because he was like he didn't come in and then get all

get much like get better right away like he came in and was awesome like this kid could could yeah

and i mean he could score so easily he was so athletic um he was a little immature but he was uh he was a lot of fun uh a lot of fun to be around what's your like are

I just laugh when I think of RJ.

We're trying to get RJ on the pod.

He's like, Yeah, yeah, I got you, I got you.

I'm like, bro, I don't hear from him for two weeks.

Typical.

But last time RJ called me, he talked for 12 straight minutes.

And then finally, I felt like I was talking to my dad again.

I'm like, dude, you called just to talk, and then you're like, I got to go by.

Like, just leave me a voicemail next time.

Did you run into him this year at all?

Did he call any?

Did he call the playoffs?

He called game one of our Knicks series.

That's pretty cool, man.

He didn't even tell us he was coming.

He literally texted J.B.

Bickerstaff, our head coach.

He texted his wife, who also went to Arizona with us.

She was a soccer star at Arizona, and my wife, who played volleyball at Arizona, and

told them he was doing the game and that he'd be in town.

And JB comes back from his pregame media.

He's like, oh, Rich is doing the game.

He's here.

He didn't even text you.

He didn't even text us he was coming.

Did you did you know?

So I'm also curious about, you know, know, coaching.

And when a former player, there's so many former players I've talked to and I even asked, like, would you ever coach?

That's like a hard no for them, which I, you know, but for you, did you always know that that's something you wanted to do?

Like, when did it come to you?

Like, I just love the game so much.

I want to coach.

Yeah.

Again, going back to that first year of retirement, I kind of separated my life in three, like.

retired life, which was hanging out with Matt every day, going to the gym, playing beach volleyball.

That was a good life, buddy.

Part-time coaching with the Lakers G-League team, and then part-time TV with the Lakers station.

So

just to kind of see where I wanted to go.

And after a year of that, it was clear to me that coaching was kind of where my passion was and still so much fun to be out there with guys competing, talking trash,

trying to win together.

And then Steve Kerr got the job that next year.

So I called Steve and I was like, any chance I can get on staff?

He's like, I just gave all my money to Alvin Gentry and Ron Adams, but if you're interested, we can talk.

And I said, absolutely.

And Steve offered me the job and I've been coaching ever since.

I would say, just when you look at your path, like

from the G or from L.A.

to Sacramento to Los Angeles to Cleveland, like.

When you kind of look back to where you're now, is there something, not like what would you do different, but like something that you've really taken on this path to this point?

That's like, maybe you get a head job again.

I don't even know if you'd ever want to even try and be a head coach again, but is there something that you kind of look back and say, like, man, if I could do this over, I would, or this is what I learned.

And you played for Phil, who's one of the best ever.

Yeah, for sure.

There's a lot that I've learned on this journey.

You know, when I first got that Laker job, I'd only been coaching for two years up there with Golden State.

And there's just, there's a lot of different things since then that I've, that I understand and different situations that I've been in that clearly have, it's like anything, even when you're a player, hopefully continuing to grow and understand the game more.

And it's the same with coaching.

So yeah, there's a, to answer your question, Matt, there's a lot I would do different and there's a lot I've learned since then.

Yeah, I mean, you have such a unique thing because I'm even, I was even thinking back to that.

15, 16 Warriors team when you started off 39 and four.

And so much in the playoffs right now is like, oh, well, the Celtics missed 53s and they're just going to shoot better.

Or even the other night, you know, Minnesota missed 53s.

And everyone talks about those Warrior teams of they shot the three and that's why they won.

But I start going down that roster.

I'm like, we need to have a Sean Livingston conversation.

The dude who never missed from the mid-range.

That team still had Andrew Bogot.

Like it was like, it was so much more than a, even though the Warriors, to me, were the first good shooting team to really rely on it.

There was so much more to those teams.

That must have been a great ride with that Warriors team.

It was so fun.

And

what everyone loved the offense and the threes that Steph and Clay would shoot.

But what really made that team special was the defense that we played along with it.

And if you go back and look at the numbers, both years, you know, it was a top five defense.

Draymond, Bogut, Livingston, Barbot.

We had just so many good.

Iggy, right?

Iguadala was on that year.

Iggy.

You guys had a stacked team.

I mean, it was, and to your point, like, none of those guys were, you know, three-point shooters like that.

But they were so, uh, they were just so smart and they were so uh selfless and all about the team.

Uh, that I mean, that's the only way you can win championships is when you have those type of players and role players and uh togetherness, uh, and you compete on both ends of the court.

Uh, and I think you see a lot of that kind of with uh that OKC team right now, right?

Like,

they play so many different guys, different series, uh, different from game to game.

And whoever is playing is is just all in.

They can play small ball.

They can play double big lineups.

And it's a lot of fun to watch.

And then they have, you know, in my opinion, the MVP of the league out there to finish games off for them if it's close.

So

they're a lot of fun to watch right now.

I feel like this is a common thread on this show because we get a lot of former athletes who have kids who are growing up.

And obviously your dad, you know, Bill was great.

And

I just went through this with Cole.

Like the time when

I realized, like, damn, I'm passing the torch.

Like, he's just fucking way better than me.

Was there?

Yeah, that was like four or five years ago.

Cause I don't, you know, you know me, Lukey.

I'm a little slow-footed, lateral movement.

I can't take him on the court.

I used to go to body him.

Was there,

I think it's just fascinating because I've read stories where, you know, you and your brothers wouldn't, I think, like, what, like, Larry Bird would come over and shoot at the house, which I love to hear about that.

But, like,

at what age did you like tell pops, like, all right, man, like, like, when you were beating him one-on-one, was there a specific time?

Yeah, I mean, he couldn't really, by the time we got big,

he just couldn't walk anymore.

So he would just pull up his chair and sit there and like talk trash to us from the sideline.

But there wasn't really that moment.

I never had that moment with him just because his body was so.

You had it with your brothers, though, I'm assuming.

Oh, yeah.

And I, and their friends.

That's really what motivated me was like, I had two older brothers, and I just wanted to hang with them all the time, and they wouldn't let me play.

So I was like, whatever, I'm going to get really good at this.

And then I started busting all their friends' asses.

And

eventually they're like, all right, we got Luke on our team.

And we would just literally play all day in the backyard.

And I remember how good of a feeling that was.

So I can imagine Cole's feeling pretty good right now that he knows he can dominate you, Matt.

By the way, he would, he, if he saw you right now, he'd be like, Luke can't guard me.

He's too old.

Like, he, I was like, I was like, bro i i just had the conversation with him yesterday about there's this dude on a rec league who's like six five

he's 40 but he's he's tough he's physical dude and i'm like cold you're not i like i'm like buddy you're not gonna score he looked at me luke he just goes he goes dad are you serious i go i go yeah and he was dead serious he thinks he's better than everybody when he walks in the gym which i kind of love

you gotta love that that's how you felt when you were his age man i mean that's how i still feel sometimes but but then i realize when i'm out there i'm like my calf dude my i pulled a nate dude i've been i pulled each one of my calves the last time i played not down to the point where i was out but

you weren't out for two years with a calf strain

by the way still mind-boggling what the happened to him like bro what did you do luke's luke's best friend one of our good buddies literally pulled a calf jerry but like tore it this dude didn't play sports for like two and a half years we're like what are you doing dude i'm gonna say i don't blame him i'm gonna say yeah like this is at like 30 like we were were

a professional athlete, too.

So anytime, it's still today, Matt.

Anytime someone gets a calf injury, I send him a text.

I'm like, you think he's done forever?

You see out for life?

At least two and a half years, Luke.

What do you remember about Larry Bird coming to the house?

Do you remember any specific stories?

It was awesome because Larry was like, we were all basketball fanatics.

And obviously, like my son now loves the Pistons, loves Kate Cunningham.

Like, that's how we felt about Larry.

So when he showed up to the San Diego house in the summer,

and we, he'd come in the backyard and play.

We have a great gym in San Diego called Muni Gym right down the street.

And like, people would lose their mind.

It would be my dad, Larry,

three of us out there playing.

And Larry would talk so much shit.

And like, it was just like, I can't remember how old I was at the time, probably eight or nine.

But we'd play two, two on two in the back.

And Larry would like score nine straight on Bill, talking trash.

and then whatever one of us got to be on his team he'd let like just keep shooting until they hit the game winner and then the rest of the day he would just call one of us game winner and talk trash it was it was so much fun they say he's like one of the maybe the best trash talker of all time oh top five

the clips they have of like old players talking about some of the stuff he would say and do was just yeah it was it was pretty awesome just the fucking

that hybrid we can do about it.

So, before we let you go, we're going to get you out of here.

Does Matt ever see the sand when you guys play beach volleyball?

Or is it the first time in Matty Ice's career that he has to watch the big boys do it?

Oh, I know.

What is Matt like?

What's your role?

I want to hear more about this six-man thing, which sounds insane in Manhattan Beach, by the way.

Yeah, Matt, Matt's a winner.

So, what we do is we let Matt serve when it's a big point, and Matt gives great, great speeches during the timeouts and occasionally if we're playing a lesser team we'll put them up there on the outside and set them up or no a little no I get a little butter you remember me saying last year that's right here's the thing Jerry this is the thing about Luke and I and this is this is why I love Luke because I see him now maybe once twice a year and my boy but when we play in this fucking tournament and we got we got a squad now these guys are so competitive these guys these volleyball dudes dudes, and they would tell you, but they're awesome athlete, man.

They are like, I'm always mesmerized watching these guys jump in the same.

But there is a little, like,

you got to have a little fucking toughness and grit in these things.

If you want to win, and me and Luke, every time we're down and we've been beat now by a nasty team in the finals like two years in a row, but me and Luke always will be on the side.

We're like, man, we're fucking not tough enough, dude.

We got, and Luke's like, and Luke's always like, Maddie, they don't fucking want it.

They don't know what champions are.

Like we all we always have these side conversations that I've done.

But I'm my role, Jerry, I know my role, dude.

Trust me.

By the way, Luke's a big part of the squad.

Luke, middle block, like he brings intensity, fire, energy, all that.

I'm bringing fire on the sideline.

I do give a little speech.

I'm usually pretty hungover all weekend, but it's like...

I'm going to have to come watch this.

You got to come.

Sounds like a bring your kids, bring the wife.

I'm coming out for that.

I'm coming out to Manhattan.

My wife played.

Yeah, Brie plays.

Played volleyball at Arizona, and she's still like,

we have to plan our summer around six-man.

Like, she's so over volleyball.

Like, she doesn't want to play anymore.

And I'm like, we can do whatever you want, but I will be in Manhattan Beach for six-man weekend.

So, that's not can't miss for you.

Yeah, my team needs me, and I need my team.

So, like, it's there's no discussion about it.

We will be there for six-man weekend.

I just got chills, guys.

I'm coming for this.

That's very, you should honestly do it.

I'll cover it.

I'll be the sideline reporter, bro.

Oh, you'd be great.

You're a die-hard sports fan.

You would, you would, you would appreciate this and watching these guys play.

Like,

it's pretty ridiculous, like, the athleticism.

We just need to bring a little more heart and soul.

That's it.

And that's what we try to do every year.

Yeah.

And me and you, Matt, I can tell you one thing.

We're bringing heart and soul, brother.

Oh, that's what I'm saying, bro.

Yeah.

I'll fucking punch somebody in the face out there if I have to.

Let's fucking go.

Oh, dude.

Luke.

Can't thank you enough, man.

That was awesome.

I will see you this summer at the sixth man for sure.

And yeah, keep doing your thing with the Pistons, man.

That was scary as all hell.

You put the fear of God into me, man.

Real quick, do you have a, I mean, I don't know, as a current coach, can you like, do you have a prediction?

Like, who do you think is going to win or who's the toughest team?

Yeah, I think.

I think OKC.

I just think they're so deep.

I know they're young and

they haven't been there yet, but none of these teams that are left have been there.

Yeah.

So I just feel like with what they can do and as long as they stay healthy, obviously, I just see them being too much

for the other teams.

But I think both these series are going to be awesome.

Like a lot of fun to watch and just looking forward to it.

God, if the Knicks win the championship, I'm going to be sick to know.

You're going to have to quit the show.

You're going to have to quit.

The throwbacks might be over.

Although I'm a Knicks fan.

I become a Knicks fan.

Yeah, I mean, the Knicks are so, I mean, what they do is so impressive.

Yeah, they're freaking.

And Jalen Brunson, oh, my, he is.

He's a dog, man.

He is.

He is so special.

Tom Thibodeau trying to kill load management one playoff win at a time.

Seven guys.

We trained for this.

Trying to end the whole load management as a thing.

So

I feel like I need to call you guys Maverick and Iceman at this point.

I feel like Luke is more Maverick, Matt.

All right.

I'll be ice to Mav all day, man.

That's my guy.

Well, miss you, buddy.

Thanks for coming on, man.

I know you're busy.

Give my best to

Bri and the kids, too.

yeah i will and you do the same and uh i'll see you in in soqal after summer league

i'll see you i'll see you soon dude

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Each week we kind of talk about, and we focused a lot on you because, like, you know, strapping in for something, it lends itself better to athletics.

So I'm going to bring you into the acting world for a second.

And actors do indeed have to strap in for scenes from time to time.

There's been stunts involving cars where I've driven a Ferrari around a racetrack where you got to get a little training.

There's been stuff where you have to have fight scenes and you want to make sure everybody's okay.

But really, what I'm going to talk about for a second,

this puts fear into every actor's heart for sure, is if you know weeks in advance that you're having a love scene.

It just,

and it's number one.

How much anxiety does that give you?

First of all, fortunate for me, that it was similar to an athlete.

Like I, actors have attributes.

That is not one that I get called on.

Like if they're saying like, hey, we need a corner three shooter, it's different.

So, but the few that I've had, number one, it's always not uncomfortable, but you know, you're you're sort of always being respectful of the other person you're doing the scene with but there's also 80 people around you but number two you know film lives on forever you gotta you gotta get you want to kind of i've seen a lot of people do some uh some crash diets talk about actors hitting the gym oh dude i feel like i'm always reminded they don't eat they don't eat for like seven straight days i feel like Kevin Connolly, who played E,

had a scene like that in the Entourage movie.

And obviously we had hundreds of cameos in the Entourage movie.

So he was on that, like, hey, not, you know, really eating light and working out like crazy, kind of dehydrated.

I feel like it was Liam Neeson when he was doing his cameo, walked into the hair and makeup trailer and just took one look at a dehydrated, fatigued Connolly drinking lemon water and was like, oh, you have one of those scenes, don't you?

After like 300 sit-ups.

I'll say that what's more pressure playing in a national championship game or doing a shirtless love scene in the movie, I would say a shirtless love scene in the movie.

There's nowhere to hide, Matt.

There's nowhere to hit it.

And it lives on forever.

Forever.

What do you, let me ask you a question without going into detail right here.

Again, we're strapped in with this.

We're strapped in.

Like,

what are you wearing in that?

Like, there's underwear, right?

There's rules to that.

Oh, there is an intimacy coordinator, someone who is there to make sure both parties are comfortable.

Awkward.

There's things that are obviously separating you.

Yes.

No, it is, it is.

There's a lot happening.

At least in my experiences, it's always been professional and almost like, all right, now we have to, it's so professional, we have to still make this believable.

So let's like try to pretend we're enjoying this and not totally uncomfortable.

So, but yeah, man, it's, but it's more so the time leading up.

to those scenes where you're can you know you have to shoot that that day the night before talk about no sleep.

You're like, fuck, dude, tomorrow really

so funny.

So I always laugh about with

the people who are good at those scenes, right?

I really, they're ripped, they're ripped.

And like, I make this joke with Brie all the time, too.

Like, if I take my shirt off, dude, I grab it by the collar and I pull it over my head.

Those people we're talking about do the double arm cross.

And it's like an unveiling.

I've never taken my shirt off like that once in my life.

It's always like, how do I do this as quick as possible so no one sees you stretch?

You stretch.

That was like me in gym class in fourth grade, dude.

Just side, like, put it, take it off real quick.

So I bet you you did not see that for our strapped in this week, but shout outs to Nitza.

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I'm glad we got that all out there.

You're giving me anxiety just

listening to that, just getting a visual.

Listen, fortunately for me, I only did that like three or four times.

Even like power, when I was working on power, everyone has one of those scenes in power.

It's like what were those scenes?

I want to go watch it.

I literally, no, I taught.

I told Courtney Kemp, the showrunner creator.

I'm like, when I started working on a show, I'm like Courtney, don't put me in one of those scenes.

No, I'll be in the show.

I'll do this show as long as you want.

What were your two love scenes?

In Entourage?

Was it in Entourage?

I had

two or three in Entourage.

It wasn't Ronda Rousey.

No, it wasn't Ron.

It was Danya Ramirez, it was like the horrifying one.

What I mean by horrifying, it's like it was like shirt off, full-on simulation.

Didn't enjoy that.

I'm going to go back to that.

This other girl, John, Jana Jana Kramer,

was one.

And then I had a few with movies and stuff like that, but I'm glad we don't ever have to talk about this again.

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This is where we highlight an adventure.

We try to keep this career driven.

So I wanted to know from you.

I know we're not quite locked into baseball the way we were during the playoffs, but we just had Yankees met Subway Series.

Yankees took two out of three.

All this Juan Soto stuff, which I do feel is being fabricated as many things by the media.

Like he flies private by himself.

I think that's already been debunked as not true.

Not hustling out of the batters box.

That's kind of true.

But he's now.

He's got a lot of people that do that.

He's getting the diva, took the money, left the Yankees, all this stuff, which I would have did the same exact thing, probably.

But have you in your career, both back in college, into the pros, ever had to deal with a player that was having these, we'll call them diva-like traits?

You don't have to call anybody out hardcore.

No, I honestly, I, I, gosh, I mean, there, there were, I mean, there's probably like, like, I mean, look, like me and Reggie were treated differently at USC my senior year because of just adding up to that.

Like we had like literally security guards for us that would walk from, that's actually a great story.

I can get on the note, but we would have security because there were so many fans on campus that wanted our autograph like on a

Wednesday September.

So like that probably is a little diva-esque, but it wasn't like, it was just to get from

the media wanted you guys to be

pointed out.

Yeah, it was just, it was just like.

autograph people, like, you know, the eBay people, all that shit.

But

I thought about this, and it's actually

quite opposite.

And I'm going to tell the story because

he could have been this way, and he just wasn't.

I played with Edgar and James.

And for those who don't remember Edger and James, the great Miami Hurricane, great Indianapolis Colt in the Hall of Fame, which is so awesome.

Played for the Colts with those Peyton Manning teams for like eight or nine years.

My rookie year, he was a big free agent pickup for us, signed to like a four-year deal.

And it was kind of the tail end of his career, but he was incredibly impactful for me.

You know, I didn't, I I know it didn't work out for me there, but just seeing him and seeing what a Hall of Fame player and how he worked and all those things, he was the opposite.

And what I mean by that is when he signed there, he stayed at the Ritz-Carlton up in Scottsdale or Phoenix.

That's where he lived.

He didn't buy a house.

He just kind of did his own thing.

But the cool thing about Edge was he rented a house right by the facility.

for like a playhouse for all the guys to go over and hang like like not even like a crash bad like here's here's pool tables here's this here's that just like to build the bond and the commercial camaraderie house like almost in tempe like like five minutes away from the facility go there it's always open or here's a key and dudes would go and just go and hang and this was my first year in the league so like wow i was coming from usc like i'm coming from a very like like we were in the spotlight so like i was i was just shocked because i still like i'm like damn dude i'm about to play with edger and james like this is dope i'm about to play with larry fitzgerald this is this is sick um i just thought I saw it from a Hall of Fame player, and I saw that with Andre Johnson and Houston, Larry.

I played a lot of Hall of Famers, man.

And like, I saw the opposite, which I'm pretty lucky.

So

never really played with someone like that, at least that had that kind of narrative around him and that perception.

It was actually quite opposite.

I'd love to get EJ on the

love because he's an incredible dude, incredible stories.

And he like, he was always like, he was, he was always the smartest dude I knew.

Like, he saved his money.

He was a, he's always a business thinker.

He's like, I'm not spending my money.

Like, and so like, he just, he was awesome, man.

So, uh, but yeah, like, he was, he was team first guy, even at that point in his career.

So, like, the sort of thing where, all right, we just had a, you know, crazy practice, walkthrough, whatever.

You could literally just cruise over to that house if you don't feel like going home just yet.

And order somebody who's called me.

He called me some school, put on a game or whatever's on, play video games.

It was a kick at house.

Yeah, it's just a kick at house.

He was,

that's entourage, baby.

Yeah, all he did ever was call me quarterback.

That's all he did.

If I text him right now, he'd be like, quarterback?

That's all he said.

Well, he has the same thing that Walton has.

Like, you don't really see, I don't see Edge on every podcast or every YouTube show.

I reach out.

Edge is one of

the great dudes, man.

Like, one of the great dudes.

He's not still in Arizona.

I wonder where he is.

Nah, he's in Miami.

He's got a lot of kids.

I know his oldest is a running back or football.

Like, he's playing college now, maybe.

He's a baller,

but just an all-around good dude.

And, like, one thing, too, that I noticed when I was young in the league and I'd go to Miami, the Hurricanes, they run that city, dude.

Yeah.

They run that city.

The one guy that runs that city is

who's a big lineman?

McKinney.

I think Brian.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

They were like,

You need anything?

You hit up him.

I was like, what does that mean?

He's like, you need anything?

You hit it.

Like, he was like the mayor.

Like, they just ran the town.

Kind of like, I mean, I guess similar to like us at USC, but we were kids.

Like, these are grown like adults.

Like, you just needed anything in Miami.

Like, you hit up anyone that went to the you at that time.

Honestly, if some of my like dream college football matchups, it would probably be one of those Miami teams versus you and the Reggie team.

Like, that would probably, I think that's.

Well, dude, the Miami 01 team.

0-1, yeah.

Is, I mean, on paper, those names, I mean, it's ridiculous.

It's absolutely, you can go down the list on both sides of the ball, probably 10 to 15 dudes and like more than half were either pro bowlers or will be in the Hall of Fame.

Like it's, that's how crazy that is.

Edge was an Edge was earlier.

Do you remember Edger?

My first memory of Edgeron, and I wonder if you might not have been as big in college football at the time.

They played.

They played UCLA.

I do remember this.

Cade McNoun.

I think it was in the bowl game or was at the end.

It was a big ass game.

And Edge ran.

I don't know the numbers.

But he had a crazy stat line.

He ran for like 250 or 300 against UCLA.

UCLA was nice.

That was like J.J.

Stokes, Kay McNoun.

Might have been Deshaun Foster.

No, I think, or it was,

I don't know who it was, but yeah, Edge was.

By the way, in Green Bay at the draft, when we were there, the coolest jersey I saw the whole time was a Colts Edger and James jersey.

Someone was rocking the, I saw the number.

I'm like, come on, no way.

And I turned around and said James on.

I'm like, that's a fire jersey.

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I got two for us today, and then we'll get everybody out of here.

In honor of the Cam Scataboo viral photo, Trevor,

yeah.

Trevor writes, what would the current rotation of jerseys for turtle be in 2010?

Great question, Trevor.

Really good one.

Easy answer.

Brunson, cat, for sure.

That's you're going cat jersey.

I think so.

I think Brunson cat.

I also have here Hart, and I think Turtle would rock like a Miles McBride.

He didn't always go for the big flashy.

That's what I'm saying.

I think you're going Jackson Dart and you're going, or you're for sure going Scatterboot.

Going Scatterboot.

That's probably number one.

It's Brunson 11A Scatterboot.

What's your favorite throwback Giants jersey?

Like, if you could an LT or

LT is fire.

I think like a Bavaro Bavaro one is super fire.

I love Dave Meggett as a kid.

The dirty Dave Meggett.

That's why I always wasn't the player.

Technable.

Yeah,

big Dave.

I loved like Rodney Hampton, those teams.

And like a little later than that,

dude, even though he got hurt and then Kevin Boss stepped in and unlocked like a whole other part of the offense, Jeremy Shocky was a fire.

Jeremy Shocky was good.

I think also Turtle would probably, I mean, Judge would be the easy way.

He'd be rocking Volpe.

If it was a Yankee, he'd be rocking Volpe would be the Italian Italian thing.

His throwback would probably be like a Mattingly, or if he did like a Knicks throwback, it would probably be Mason or Oakley.

And then I was thinking, like, what's a good, what non-New York jersey would Turtle write?

I think Turtle would rock like a white chocolate Jason Williams Kings jersey, something like that.

I feel like as a non- Yeah, Turtle had a little white chocolate vibe to him.

Yeah, I think he would rock that.

Good question from there.

And then I thought this one was pretty cool from the social media team.

A Michael Jordan jersey from the 93 season sold for 2.6 million pales in comparison the most expensive piece of jordan memorabilia all time is from the 98 finals 10.1 million so removing money from the equation if it's not an investment piece what would be a cool piece of jordan memorabilia you would like to have taking money out i mean this is easy for me and it's not even close to his probably most expensive.

It's his Lyric rookie card because I've come very, very close to buying it very close that's a great buy that's like a gold bar well i mean there's only so many tens the tens are

fortunate yeah i don't know if they're a million but they're high but like i was gonna buy a graded five and a six

a six what was a six going for cheese uh it was going for

I think you could get it for like seven or eight grand.

Seven or eight.

But I was getting it for five.

Oh, you're winning on that all day.

Or I was getting it for lower because

actually I was going through our friend Josh Richmond, and

I ran it by the wife, and she said, What the fuck are you doing?

We have children, Matt.

You cannot buy a car.

I said, You're going to buy a Michael Jordan.

She didn't even know a graded Michael Jordan card as an investment.

You're never going to sell it because my whole thing is like, it's an investment.

But like, I'm not reselling it.

You don't ever sell that investment.

It's cheap.

Anyway, so

the 88 FLIR card is

just iconic.

I collect cards.

I'm sure there's shoes.

There's other things out there, but that would be my piece.

So for me,

I tried to think off the beaten path.

I would love to have that gold chain he used to rock.

And I think his rookie year or second year, it's almost like a choker.

It did not dangle at all.

It was like real tight around his neck, which was like the coolest thing I think I ever saw a basketball player do with the scripted Chicago on the jersey.

Give me that gold chain.

I would rock that.

Also, I think it'd it'd be really cool if you had the actual flu game sneakers.

I have the replica, you know, I have a pair of Jordan flu games, but to actually have the game, the sneakers he wore, or even the jersey he wore in the flu game, like I, you know, I could already see me having the jersey be like, don't touch it because there's germs on it.

You might get the flu if you touch that jersey because that's the flu game jersey.

I am fortunate to have taken a tequila shot MJ in his flesh, in flesh.

And Oakley remembered it.

Oakley remembered it.

One of the best stories.

I'll go to my grave with that story.

My grandkids.

Remember Michael Jordan?

Yeah.

Grandpa had a nice shot at a Hollywood Club.

Well, not many people could nurse the wounds of losing a game like you did at that time with like the guys who consoled you with Jordan in Oakley.

And the best part was they called me over.

That was like the coolest part was like Oakley came over and said, MJ wants to take a shot, wants to meet you, come over.

And I was like, I was, I was was like, when I brought that up to Oakley, I was wondering, I'm like, is he going to remember that one time ago?

And I brought it up to him.

He was like, oh, he was so, he was so mad and upset.

We brought him right over.

Yeah, he remembered it right away.

And he was like,

I think they lost some money on that.

I was kidding, to be honest, too.

I think they were big on the Trojans for that one.

So good mail, bad questions.

Great show today.

I'll be, we'll see you courtside.

I'll see you on the guard.

Tomorrow.

Tomorrow night, right?

Friday night?

Friday?

Yeah, tomorrow.

And again, we don't know.

We'll either be trying to go go up 2-0 or try to knot it up at 1-1-0.

It don't matter if you're down one or up one.

Your feet are touching wood.

There ain't nothing.

There's no better place in sports than I've been doing.

And I'll tell you what, too.

It doesn't matter what happens tonight in game one.

You got to win game two because you're either going to need to go 1-1 or you know what?

Go up 2-0.

Hold home court advantage.

Step on their next.

By the way, I just thought of this.

I'm just going to 7th Avenue if they win 7th Avenue, and I'm going to party with everybody.

By the way, I just thought of this, bro.

Timothy Chalamet, you're going to be right next to Shalom.

I mean, can we get him on the party?

He has risen so high up the Knicks ranks.

And you know, he's doing a great job before we close the show.

Our guy, and we have to get him on too, and this Pete Schraeger, okay, who's now all over ESPN.

We're going to get him on training camp for sure.

He was on GetUp the other day shouting out Nick's content creators on Twitter, who I know because I follow everything, but these are guys who literally have their entire business is like the Knicks, right?

They're blowing up because.

blowing up like you thought I would.

Dude, you got to be doing the good work for the Knicks.

You got to talk to Chalome.

You got to talk to Shalomay.

He's going to love you, bro.

Listen, let's go, Matt.

By the way,

if your nephew backs out, just hit me up.

Would you fly?

If I was like, Matt, my nephew can't go.

I can't find this ticket.

You can't.

I'm on vacation this weekend, so no, I can't.

I feel like I'll be able to see.

I feel like I'll be able to find someone.

I'll be sipping margaritas in Mexico this weekend.

I'll get some golf balls while you're there.

Thank you, everybody, for listening.

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We'll catch you next week.

Let's go.

Thank you, Luke Walton.