Knicks In Trouble, Retiring the Word “Overrated” & Emmanuelle Chriqui on the Show!

I'm 45 years old.

Can I beat Turtle like in the way they want?

Do I still have it?

After one take with Kevin Dillon, you're like, Yeah.

He takes off his sunglasses.

He goes, We got to go to Vegas, bro.

Holy, this guy still got his fastball, man.

He is throwing.

He is there.

You know what?

I just can't do it.

I just can't do it.

I try really hard to do.

Hey, welcome to throwback.

I'm sad today, Maddie.

Why are you sad, buddy?

I just, well, first of all,

what's eating at you, bud?

Let me welcome everybody in.

Thank you for listening today.

Please like, subscribe on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, leave reviews, all that good stuff, which doesn't feel very important today

because

I'm sad that the Knicks are down 3-1.

And

I'm coming to another realization that

I care way too much.

You do care way too much.

And I like when I control it.

It's like when I videoed you this week and I didn't tell you I was recording you and you gave the most perfect two and a half minute answer.

I literally had to cut you off just so I could ask you another question.

And as soon as we hung up, Josie's like, I just don't get it.

I don't understand why people care that much about their team.

I was like, yeah, babe.

I don't know.

Some people are just, you know, like, that's just, that's just who they are.

And you are one of them, dude.

Did you have any doubt when you were planning that half prank social media call that I would deliver?

You knew I'd deliver.

Well, the best part about it was, is

when you said, you said, Matt.

was just texting you and i go how we doing buddy and you just go i'm a mess like that was the greatest, that was the greatest line.

I was like, oh, this is going to be perfect.

Yeah, dude.

I mean, listen,

I called you.

I was like, there's something about this Knicks team that you, I'm rooting for them now.

I've become a Knicks fan.

Although Kaysen, my five-year-old, is rooting for the Pacers for whatever reason.

I said, no, buddy, we got to root for the Knicks.

He's like, no, I'm rooting for the Pacers

for no reason.

But they're just...

I don't know, man.

Like, they're tough.

They grind.

Like, it's hard not to like Brunson,

but they're just, there's, they're, they're missing something.

You know what I mean?

Like, they're just, I think I told you, and you said this, you're like, nothing comes easy for them.

And that's, no, that's the sign of just a good, tough team, but not an elite, great team.

And when you watch the Pacers, and I know this series feels like it should be 2-2, but like you watch the Pacers, they're smooth, they run, they have an identity, you kind of know what they are.

You watch OKC, you know exactly what they are.

You even watch Minnesota and you kind of know what they are.

But with the Knicks, it's like, I don't know which team is going to show up.

And that's hard to, it's hard to win like that in the NBA playoffs.

And it's definitely only as a fan, I can imagine.

So, all right, I'm going to go in for two minutes.

But before we do, I just want to tell everyone we have, and maybe it's perfectly fitting that we have probably our most non-sports related guest of all time.

It is an Entourage alum.

Our best guest, we taped this in person in L.A.

not that long ago.

We have Emmanuel Shrieky, aka Sloan, joining us

on the walls of every poster on the walls of

it's not mine, but my brother, my brother.

When we were having her on, my brother's like, Are you kidding me?

I'm going to come up for that episode.

And he yeah, there was a lot more people around for that.

It's funny when we had like, you know, Johnny Manzel on, or we had Jack Flaherty, we had a good crowd, but the word got out that Emmanuel Shrieky was coming on.

And all of a sudden, it's like, wow, there's a lot of extra

dudes here.

She, you described her perfectly.

Not a sports girl, but, but, like, doesn't mind, like, not like, you know, doesn't hate, just doesn't, doesn't know.

No, she'd still go to a game with you, but you're like, have a great time.

She's like

the sweetest soul of a person.

Like, you just felt like, like, honestly, and you, you, you described her.

And she came in, she's like, so sweet, down to earth, give you a hug.

How's it going?

She has that voice.

Calming influence.

Mesmer, like, just brings you in.

You're like, you get lost in the voice.

Yeah, you get lost in in the voice uh and just so fun man again i said this before but it's just always fun to see you back with the old crew right like that's family to you and to see and we had the boys on and now to have her perspective from that show and just her relationship with all of you guys and just honestly like like she's a badass dude she she was a badass she still is a badass she's doing great things like she's she's awesome man it's a it's a great interview great actor and i think she just got a pretty big part on some show that i should look up but yeah the the throwbacks kind of blessings keep going forward and yeah like it you know it's so funny because so many dudes would come up to me over the years be like bro how hot is i'm like it really is like my sister it's like my reality she looks the same dude she looks she looks like she hasn't aged one bit she looks the same i would always like i never go to the place like yeah dude isn't she like i'm always like yo that's like my sister you're talking about watch your mouth and like i said there's so much more to her than just her physical appearance.

Like you said, you caught on to the selfliness.

And

we got some good stories about her.

So that's, that's going to be great.

Well, let's just keep, let's just keep your mind on Emmanuel and that and not on the Knicks.

Well, no, here's what I want to say, Matt.

And I don't know, because like, I'm not going to lie.

You told me what Josie said.

And that hit home with me.

You know, I respect Josie's opinion very much.

So that hit home with me.

Like, I don't understand how you can care so much.

It made me ask that question.

I've asked you that a hundred times.

And I don't have a great answer.

I don't, I don't want to.

Like, you know, when I hit rock bottom, it was actually after game three.

Knicks win game three.

And then you know me after a win.

I'm on Twitter.

I'm out in those Twitter streets.

Well, then,

I mean, God, you would have, you would have, you would have thought the Knicks won the freaking NBA championship after one win in the series.

I was like, come on, guys, act like you've been there before, dude.

Well, we haven't.

We can't.

We haven't been there.

So I got a text from throwbacks uh guest justin kroll uh who kind of you know covers entertainment for us when we when we have all our hollywood questions he helps us out and it was like one in the morning and i'm just tweeting at some random pacers fan yeah you go you get on a he texted me he was like dude I need you to get off Twitter and go to bed.

And he was out in the West Coast.

He's like, I'm going to bed because I have kids.

It's 10 o'clock here.

You need to put down Twitter because tell Leiner to talk you off the ledge and go to sleep.

And I just felt like a piece of shit when when he said that.

I actually went to bed.

Well, do you, I mean, look, do you have the same energy when you guys lose?

Yeah, I do go on.

You do.

You do go on.

I'm not excitedly replying to anyone and everything.

You got to find another hobby or something, bro.

You got to take your mind off this shit.

Well, now it's bleeding into my kid.

That's the problem.

Jacob is now.

Yeah, it affects your attitude.

My six-year-old has really started liking the Knicks on this run.

It's like his entry into basketball.

And first thing he asks me when he wakes up in the morning is, did the Knicks win?

And I say no.

And he goes, oh, and he like almost has a tear in his eye.

I can't do that to the kid.

So I got to get my, my, my shit together because I do think my fandom is going to, I can't, it's affecting other things in my work life as well.

It is.

You're a diehard because that affects you.

Like, I am definitely like, I have my teams.

I'm Dodgers.

I'm Lakers.

More so Dodgers.

I wouldn't even say I'm a diehard just because like I got to be honest, I've watched one Dodger game all year, but I'll watch

the game.

But that is my team.

I do get upset if they lose.

I am very, very invested in the playoffs, et cetera, et cetera.

And I'm raising kids who only like the Dodgers.

So I definitely have that fandom.

But like the only time

I felt like something bled into other things was coaching Cole and flag football.

And I was the offensive coordinator for all the teams from third grade on to eighth grade.

And as they got older, it gets a lot more competitive.

We were really good.

And you build rivalries in these leagues, local, whatever, all that kind of stuff.

I would watch hours of film drop new plays every single week.

And once the playoffs get there, I would lose sleep and it would affect my, it would affect the next day for me.

And if we, if we lost in a Super Bowl, don't talk to me for about two and a half weeks.

And this

seventh grade.

Oh, I would be like, dude, I still, we lost the very last game that I coached him was he your qv too right after right after covid maybe or when he was yeah 14.

i still to this day am like i can't believe we lost that last game so i i i i i know the feeling of allowing it affect other things for me it was just something different i well listen you were at the game you were at yeah you were at a game last week Yes,

there's nothing better than feet touching wood in a basketball arena.

So that's part of the journey, though.

We were on the air when I got the call that I was going to game two.

You said it was your favorite clip of the show, right?

Epic.

Now, I don't expect anyone to feel bad for me here, but, you know, I literally booked a flight and a hotel room and I treated it like a trip, like a work trip.

And I took my 16-year-old nephew.

And obviously they lost game two, but.

It was so strange coming out of MSG after that game when we've been seeing all the celebrations on 7th Avenue.

It It is a somber place.

It's eerie almost to come out of MSG to 7th Avenue and it's like quiet after a loss because after a win, it's a party.

I mean, it still was a great time.

Knicks always take care of me.

Feet on the wood.

I had what I thought was the best seat because I like sitting under the hoop because I like looking straight ahead.

Talked to our guy, Chalamay, who said, you know, we'll revisit him coming on the show, maybe after the Knicks run, which might be ending tomorrow night.

We'll get him on next week to talk about

what went wrong.

Met Coach Dable, who definitely has never seen an episode of Entourage in his life, which is totally fine.

He had on some great Jordans.

And then, yeah, Russell Wilson strolled in.

Yeah.

How was that?

2v1, I guess.

Yeah, I know.

Look, I know Russ.

I'm actually going to tell a story about how I really got to know Russ.

But here's one thing I will say.

And he had on like really dope shades.

And I think his wife Sierra did too.

Here's what I don't get.

I know it looks cool.

How on?

Does anyone

see like it does look cool.

And I'm all about, hey, look, commit to the look.

How do you see a game through sunglasses and enjoy it?

Just tell me how.

Because maybe it's because I'm half blind.

I put sunglasses on.

I'm like Stevie Wonder.

I cannot see a thing.

And I look around.

I'm like,

Chalamet had sunglasses in there.

Chalamet had sunglasses.

I don't understand.

I think it's the game.

Yeah.

I mean, maybe they're like, I know Urban has like the readers where they're half sunglasses, half regular readers.

So maybe those are hysterical.

Maybe there's some type of tint in there that it really doesn't affect.

To me, there's only a certain amount of people that can pull that off.

You and I are definitely not one of them.

No, but I want to see the game.

Me, if I

got a tatter.

That's a great question.

Just like, are like, what do people think of wearing sunglasses indoors?

I think it's a commitment to a look, which looks really good.

But I just, at some point, you're taking an amazing experience and you're saying, let's bring it back to like 480p and just make it look super dark and blue.

And throw some sunglasses.

Like celebrity row, bro.

Like the nick, like Nick's court side has been a topic of discussion all over social media.

Yeah.

I think a lot of it because of Stiller and Chalamet.

Stiller and Chalamet.

Look, they're at every game in Indy.

That's what I'm saying.

They're at any game.

Every game in Indy.

Tracy Morgan is now.

Everyone talks about like, yeah, like...

Maybe Stiller is Spike.

No, no.

Tracy Morgan is at every single game.

If he is in New York and there's a Nick game, he's there and he is a true diarrhea.

You talked to all those guys?

Yeah, I said what's, I say what's up to everybody.

I try to keep the vibes really, really high.

But that game, it just was very evident from the beginning that the energy, even in the building, was kind of low.

Lincoln Lawyer on Netflix is the show that Emmanuel Shrieke is now on.

And that's a perfect time to segue.

I feel like it's going to be some more sports talk, but it's time now for Flavor of the Week, presented by Wendy's.

But by the way, I would like to bury some of my troubles in a new favorite Frosty Fusion flavor.

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So, each week we pick a Flavor of the Week.

Look, Pacers are up 3-1, leading the Eastern Conference.

Halliburton arguably had his greatest performance of his pro career.

A month ago, anonymous NBA player poll.

Halliburton was named by his peers the most overrated player in the league.

Anonymous player player polls are stupid.

Like, really?

Yeah, because he's averaging 24, 11, and 7, and two and a half steals in the ECF right now.

I think how many, how many, let me ask you a question.

How many players voted?

Who voted?

Do we know?

We don't know any of that.

There were 90 votes cast, of which he received 13.

So it's not an overwhelming vote that it was him, but it was.

He received 13 votes of

the high.

Right.

It's just not true because what he's doing right now, this proves that.

But you have some other evidence of it.

Now, Lamar Jackson, I don't think was ever voted overrated.

But you remember when he came out,

they wanted to be a receiver.

Right.

Every or a corner or something.

So he's a two-time MVP.

Right.

I don't know why we have to.

I respect Tamil Kuiper Jr.

puts in the work.

But yeah, he basically said if Lamar Jackson doesn't switch positions, he's not going to be an NFL player.

And then you have Derek Jeter finishing third in MVP voting at age 35 after being named the MLB's most overrated player in a Sports Illustrated poll of 495 major leaguers.

So I think the flavor of the week is retiring this overrated narrative that we have going.

Well, I was looking at it.

So he's been, he was, you know, started in Sacramento.

In the four years he's been in Indiana, he's averaging 20, pretty much 20 and 10.

Two ECFs,

two ECFs, made the Olympic team,

two or three-time all-star.

And watching him, and again, as a casual basketball fan, I watch him,

and there's a difference between him and Brunson, right?

Like, I think Brunson's great.

Brunson's a star.

He's a beast.

But like, Brunson is a ball-dominant guard.

Different games.

He's a score first.

Halliburton doesn't want to score a third.

He's not looking to pass.

He dominates the ball.

I think that's what gets them in trouble, honestly, a little bit for the Knicks.

But Brunson's great.

Halliburton, I mean, dude, he's averaging, I mean, the dude could average 30, I think, if he really wanted to.

Like, if he really wanted to, he could be Brunson 30 and 20.

Yeah, 25.

He's averaging 20 and 10 as a pass first point guard.

And when you watch him play, like, you can't guard him.

He can get to the rag.

He shoots the ball pretty well, although his shot is awful looking.

Like, I don't know, like top two or three point guard in the league, probably, right?

I mean, who else, who would you take over him right now based on what he's doing for that team?

It's funny because he probably is maybe one of the last, because he's young, like pure kind of point guards, like the guy who doesn't want to score 25.

He wants to score 18 and probably have 13 assists.

So you could say he's almost number one because there's not many like him.

Like, remember, Jason Kidd was like that.

Yes.

Jason Kidd was 14 assists a game, 18.

He definitely did not have Halliburton's three-point shot.

Jason Kidd developed a nice three-pointer toward the end of his career, but Halliburton is hitting.

I think he hit every single three the other night.

Like an Andre Miller, someone like that, like where it was just like, dude, Hall of Fame.

Like, Halliburton's gonna be a Hall of Famer.

He's gonna be one of the best, and he's gonna be a 20 and 10 guy for the next nine years.

Yeah, I don't think, honestly, I don't think there's anyone else.

He's got the man with flowers.

Yeah.

And he seems super likable.

A lot of people passed on.

I can't believe we're giving Halliburton this.

I mean, even though he did do the choke sign to the Knicks.

Well, here, I thought was

it.

We're going to end the Wendy segment with this.

Maybe not the most overrated player by far.

Not close.

He's not overrated at all.

He's actually underrated.

He's the most corny player.

You don't do the Reggie Miller choke sign when your foot's on the line.

He didn't realize it, bro.

I mean, I thought it was a three-season.

Let me just tell you one thing, Maddie.

By the way, if they would have lost that game, he would have got it.

It's worse.

If the Knicks, for some reason, come back from down 2-0, 3-1 and win this, which they probably will not.

But if they do, that Halliburton choke sign is going to be the new Reggie Miller choke sign for the Pacers.

That is going to be all time.

You're going to see that image for the rest of your career.

And also,

he hits a three, up 11, and he does the Brunson celebration.

Like, come on.

Come on, bro.

But Brunson does a celebration, too.

They all do.

But he's trolling.

He's out there trying to troll, and he's not even good at it.

It's like the dude who trolls.

You're the biggest troll.

You're the biggest troller on X

I've ever seen for a sports team.

I don't count.

I'm not on prime time TNT trolling another team and beating.

That's why you never were an athlete.

You know, you got to fuck it.

There's a lot of reasons why.

All right.

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We have to get away from sports right now.

Let's shift, dude, because you're, you're just, you're a little bit tight over there.

In honor, we do have in honor of Emmanuel Shrieky coming up to you in about one minute.

This is also the 10-year anniversary that the Entourage movie was released.

Limited release, May 27, roughly.

So

I am going to share something because it does sort of connect to the basketball playoffs, okay?

The press run for the Entourage movie, regardless of what anyone thought of the movie, it was fun to film, but the press tour was epic.

The first thing we had leading off, we got, he's coming up again.

Russell Wilson, who's in the movie, invited us to screen the movie for the Seahawks at their facility.

So we all hopped a flight up to Seattle.

We walk into the facility.

We don't even really know how this is going to go.

We're at the door.

The door is locked.

We're ringing a buzzer.

And someone comes up chewing gum loudly to like let us in.

And it's Pete Carroll.

sure.

Coach walked up.

And again, no clue who we were.

I was like, what do you guys do?

No, that's not true.

He really didn't know.

He would have known.

Trust me.

Mr.

Hollywood Pete.

He kind of knew.

He let us in.

Maybe he was just posturing.

So we go in.

We get a tour of the locker room, all this stuff.

Then we get on the field on the practice.

How nice is that facility, by the way?

By the way, Seattle, I know

weather-wise.

I think Russ at the time like.

takes his boat from his house to the facility.

It's not shocking.

It's pretty dope.

So, of course, us being the competitive non-athlete, we're running the 40.

We're kicking extra points.

What is it called?

The jug machine?

The jug machine.

Yeah.

Harder than it looks.

It's not as easy as it looks.

So screen the movie for the entire Seahawks roster.

Go to dinner with them after and then fly back home.

Okay.

Then we get a call.

We were going to go to Atlanta.

for to do the TNT show with Shaq and Kenny and Ernie during Cavs Hawks game five, Eastern Conference finals.

Then Kyle Corver breaks his knee, find out, oh, the Cavs are going to sweep him.

You're going to Cleveland game four.

Warner Brothers gets us a jet, and we take a PJ to Cleveland.

Guess who picks us up at the airport in a limo?

Shaq.

Shaq scoops us up, brings us to the building.

We hang with the TNT guys the entire time, and we watched the Cavs clinch to go to the finals.

Game four, they sweep the Hawks, and I think that's the year they did lose to the warriors in the finals uh it was just an epic run so great so that's what i think about when i think of like the release my mind doesn't go to oh that's when the movie came out and it made some money no i i think about all that behind the scenes stuff so i'm telling you even even emmanuel she wants she wants a reboot everybody wants a reboot Where are they now?

Well, that's what we ask her.

I think we ask her what Sloan is up to.

And are E and Sloan still together?

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Let's get to the Emmanuel Shrieky episode.

So thank you for being here.

I've been like sort of joking around with Matt the whole time because one of my favorite things that you've gotten me doing now, you know what I'm gonna say, right?

Emmanuel communicates via voice notes.

And

I never thought to do that, right?

But I'll get this like, and I didn't even know what a voice note really was until like a year ago.

But then I'll get this voice note from him.

And it's always like,

hey, Jare, so super sweet.

But like, they're not boring.

You don't ramble, but there's heart.

And I feel like when I try to do the voice note thing, I'm like, that's way too long.

It's way too, I try to be funny.

And then I want to know what you think because Matt's form of communicate, Matt's a FaceTimer.

Oh, you, you just ran him.

He's good.

Well, thank you.

Thank you.

When I'm drunk, it's a random face note.

I FaceTime, I get made fun of by my boys all the time.

I FaceTimed him the other day, and he totally, I was like,

I was with my wife.

He red-buttoned me.

I'm like, he definitely is, he's free to talk to me.

So I actually, I was like, you know what?

I'm going to FaceTime Brie.

And sure enough,

Brie answers and Jerry's right next to her.

So I'm like, dude.

Buzz stick.

But voice notes are, voice notes are like the new thing.

Well, I think so.

I think like, not that you would ever do this, but this hit me too.

You know, cameo, which like,

but not cameo for you, but you sell voice notes.

Do you know how many people would line up to get a voice?

Just a voice note, no face.

Just a voice note pieces.

Emmanuel, good to you.

I just think you would make a killer.

Thank you so much.

Can I tell you why I do voice notes?

Yeah.

Sometimes this is really, this is like showing my age.

When you're in a rush,

and I'm like trying to formulate, I'm like half blind.

And I'm like, fuck me, man.

I'm just going to record what I need to say.

And also, so much is lost in text translation.

Yeah.

Where I'm like, oh, that sounds harsh, but if I were to say it, it wouldn't be harsh at all.

So I'm like, you know what?

Just listen to the voice note.

I think you're on to something.

I think I'm on to something.

Well, we used to like, remember, like, we used to leave voicemails for people.

No one does that, but this is like the, I'm forcing you to listen to my voicemail because I'm sending it via text.

Exactly.

I think you're on to something.

Sometimes my, my.

brain is working too fast for my fingers where I'm like trying to type it out and it just and you erase it a hundred times.

So, totally.

How do we feel about FaceTiming though?

You can be honest.

Okay, listen,

maybe if I wasn't so vain,

but like for me, FaceTime, like if I'm looking busted and suddenly someone I haven't spoken to in a minute, like if Jerry FaceTime you, you would never answer.

I wouldn't expect if I FaceTimed you at nine o'clock in the morning.

If you got a 9 a.m.,

from me.

I'd be texting you, and I'd be like, What are you doing?

By the way, I don't FaceTime at 9 a.m.

Okay.

It's usually maybe dinner, maybe it's a weekend.

I just never know.

I'm a big, like, I want to know what's going on first.

Maybe I should take everyone's advice.

You got to say, I come from a time too, like...

Nobody tells me no, but I'm like, I don't care.

I was raised in a house where like, if my home phone rang, my mom would be like, who could that be?

Like, it was like the scream guy was calling to murder us.

It's like.

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I think the coolest thing about you, in my opinion, is the music videos that you did.

back in the day.

Which I didn't know you did.

You did Zach Brown.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't know this about you.

So he didn't know this.

So I hinder, lips of an angel.

Yes.

Okay, so we were talking to Nick, like just the old TRL days and how great music videos were.

And I feel like I have to imagine you, like, that's like, like, almost like acting, you made it right.

But, like, you, when you're in a music video, like we said, like Alicia Silverstone was like, wow, what was it like?

Well, Zach Brown's my favorite band of all time.

Oh, really?

Yeah, that's why I say that.

So, greatest.

What was it like being a part of that?

I mean, it was so fun.

It actually came about in the weirdest way.

A friend of mine, who you know, Clifton Collins, oh, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was directing this,

that video.

And it was,

it was in,

not in Atlanta, it was in the South.

And it was amazing.

And he had this whole thing worked out.

And he was just like, would you come do this?

And so for me, it was just like working with Cliffy as a director, doing this little mini story with the Zach Brown band.

I was like, yeah, sure.

Like it's, it was always like I kind of didn't overthink it.

Um, but like, all those music videos were at the height of

yeah, I really, yeah, like, where you know, you were like, the girl, like, the hinder one is hilarious.

I actually watched the whole music video yesterday.

I was like, this is amazing.

Like, haven't, I haven't watched a music video in probably 15 years.

I mean, don't you miss them?

I do.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, we were talking the other day, you'd get home from school and watch TRL on MTV because it was like you ranked it as well.

Kids don't know about TRL.

They don't.

They don't.

That's something that Nicola Shay says.

Like, you almost like ranked ranked yourself by where you were on that TRL Carson Daily

list.

Yes.

I hit you up a while ago to come on.

And obviously,

I go on Victory Pod with Connie.

I went on with them yesterday.

And it really just gets you thinking when you kind of go back.

And then knowing you were coming in here.

I have a very clear memory of when I first

met you your first day.

We were trying on clothes for the Bomb Nitzfa episode, Right.

And I don't know what it was somewhere in Robertson, some big department store, which kids out there, there were department, used to go buy your clothes from a department store for an event.

And,

you know, because initially, and correct me if I'm wrong, did you know how many episodes, like we were only kind of coming in in season two?

Like, was it one or two?

I think it was like two or three max.

That's what it was.

But I had the tip off from Connolly.

He was like, You're going to be around.

This works.

Yes.

This works.

I remember literally all of us saying, like,

she's going to be around for a while.

That's so funny.

But you had no idea how long this would last.

Not at all.

No, that entourage was the biggest surprise of my life in a multitude of ways.

Like, yes, coming in as a guest star and then

getting called back and called back and called back and then being in it to the end and then the movie.

Like, what?

Do you remember back then, like, when you're, whether it's your first day or first week, just, because at that point, season two,

it was successful critically.

There was some award stuff, but, you know, it was still building and growing.

It wasn't what it ended up becoming.

Like, just, do you remember any going into it?

Like, did you know what it was when you went in?

And you were kind of like,

it's a cool part.

These guys seem okay.

No, literally, like, it was really.

kind of going in blind.

I mean, because I didn't, I didn't watch the first season.

not many was in on my radar so to speak and then you know i kind of came in had a crazy audition process like really go in like 10 times or i went in like a couple of times yeah and i remember the first time that i went in i went in and i remember like this was just a cold audition and mark wahlberg was in the room that threw me too he did that they did that to me too that really threw me oh no that threw me like i called my people and i was like uh

let me know

could you have let me know?

So what is, is that like you just go, I mean, you go into a room and he's sitting there behind with the guesting director.

Is he running lines with you?

No, no, definitely not.

That would have really messed me up.

That was so weird.

But like, I kind of knew him prior.

So I was really thrown to him.

That would throw me to.

It did throw me.

Yeah.

It was weird.

And then, you know, I had a call back.

And before the callback,

I got a call from Connolly.

And you didn't know Kevin at this point, right?

Barely.

Again, like peripherally, but no, we did not know each other, but I knew all his friends.

Right.

And he was like, I remember he said to me, he goes, forget all the notes that you were told.

Just come in and do exactly what you did.

And I was like, uh-huh.

Oh, so you went in and they gave you come back in and here's some notes.

Yeah, but like from the agent side and stuff.

And so

Connolly was like, forget it and just come in and do what you did.

So I was like, well, I'm going to listen to him.

And so

went in, he was so gracious.

And I think, like, at that point, Connolly had really decided, like, I wanted to do it.

She was, yeah.

And then, um, and then there was like a two-week like of nothing, like, radio silence.

Are you able to forget about?

Because I always had a hard time.

All right, we did it.

Let's move on because you're going to wait.

And it's torturous.

It was so torturous.

And then, like, eventually, I think I just got it out of my head because I was like, well, this isn't happening.

And I remember I was at the airport, I think like flying to Veil or something.

And I remember I on the, you know, in the airport bathrooms, the toilet, it says Sloan.

Yeah.

I was like, this is a silly.

I can't believe you just said that because that's so weird.

I swear to God.

I think about that every time.

I'm at a urinal, because it says it like right in front of your eyes.

It says Sloan in big lettering.

It's so true.

It's so, I can't believe.

I swear to you, Em, I've had that exact.

And I'm like, this is weird that that popped into my head, right?

But how can it not?

Yeah.

You're just like, yeah.

So that was your sign?

So that was my sign.

Historical.

Get back from Vale.

And then like in the last hour, actually, I don't know if you remember this.

Uh-oh.

But do you remember in like the last hour before I guess they made the call that I was going to get the part?

Rachel Lee Cook was in the running.

I did not know that.

Oh.

I did not know Rachel.

Really?

Yeah.

And it was like.

So you were like the final two, basically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you beat that.

Somehow or other, it like swung my way.

And when I got the offer, it was like, it was like, this is such a full circle moment.

It was like, let's just say it was a Thursday night in LA.

Where'd you go?

I'm on the phone with my girlfriend, Wichenna.

Yeah.

I'm like, hey, girl.

So what are we doing?

You know, we're going to go to the club.

You know, beep call waiting.

Hold on, John, one second.

Hello.

Emmanuel, this is Kevin Connolly.

I'm like, hi.

This could be about the part or clubs, by the way.

This could be about either.

He's like,

I just wanted to let you know that you got the part.

He made the call.

He made the call.

That's cool.

And of course, then that night we went out clubbing.

Did you see it?

Did you meet him out?

Yes.

So the next question was like, you got the part, and where are you going to be later?

Let's hang out.

So is that like, so he was, so this is season two, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, he had a big part of influence, and just like, because he was your, you were his love interest, obviously.

Yeah, I mean, to my understanding, you could attest to this.

I guess this would be a doug question, but apparently, as the story goes, there were like a few girls

before I came in.

Yeah.

And

for whatever reasons, it just didn't

gel in that way.

And I was lucky.

And And yeah, like at least my, by the way, I think it might be the only time I ever read with love interests season five or whatever it was.

Do you have a love interest in season five?

Oh,

Ronda Rousey was the movie.

That was a movie I was a good one.

By the way, you could argue I had, I mean, I have to rewatch.

I have to binge entourage.

I watched it when you guys were shooting at it, and I saw the movie the other day because I'm like, I got to watch the movie.

And I was making it.

But from my recollection, you know, Doug and Lev and everyone would, of course, like they would hear your input.

But at the end of of the day, Doug and Lev are still making that call.

Even if Connolly was like, please,

God, it has to be her.

If they really had a feeling on something else, they would do what they needed to do.

So I'm sure Connolly fought the fight.

Yeah.

I don't think it was a hard fight, to be honest.

I think everyone was on board.

And it'd like to see a good plan go right.

Certainly.

So good.

I'm so grateful.

It was so good.

At what time, like, I don't know for you, because I remember it was around season two, like when you get this weird thing happened.

that I try to explain to people with Entourage, right?

Season one, like people watched, it got a lot of critical stuff, but it wasn't some big giant hit.

Right.

Season two, it started to gain steam, but then this little thing called HBO On Demand comes out, right?

This is, and like TiVo generation.

Kids out there.

That's the TiVo remote.

Yeah.

When we went off the air, I think after season two, and all like the college kids went back to school in August, it started to become, I think it was the number one watched show on HBO On Demand when they started tracking that stuff.

So we got more popular in our offseason than we were on the air.

So when we came back for season three,

it was water.

That's when it was like everywhere.

Turtle.

And I was going to ask you, like, at what point, do you remember a time when, first of all, is it, was it different for you?

Do people shout like Sloan?

Or is it a little different for you?

Because with me, it was, in those years, it was turtle, come smoke a joint.

They were obsessed with you.

I mean, that's real.

They still,

I mean, they still are.

This morning, oh my God, this morning, I was getting a smoothie from Earth Bar and I'm like walking to my car.

And this random guy comes up to me and he's like, excuse me, excuse me, Emmanuel?

I'm like, yeah.

He's like, oh, I just got to tell you, I'm such a fan.

Such a fan of Sloan.

I love the show.

I'm like busted after Pilates.

He's like, do you think we could take a picture?

And I'm like, oh, wow, dude, really?

Like,

this is his one opportunity.

But he was like relentless.

And I was like, all right, yeah, come on.

And he was going on and on.

And he's like, no, I've made my kids watch it.

He's like,

it has transcended generations at this point.

It's wild.

Yeah.

We were talking about that the other day because we were having dinner with Matt's son and like some of his friends.

They're 18.

And I don't think they've watched yet.

Maybe they will.

Some of Bree's cousins who are all in their early 20s go to OSU in Ohio.

And it's a bit, you you know, huge population of kids.

They're in fraternities and sororities.

And I get FaceTimes every week.

And she will hand the phone to the frat boys.

And it's just, and, and all I get a lot of like, turtle, and then I get a lot of like, dude, can you just please tell Sloan I love her?

Please.

FaceTime her.

It's like, oh, yeah, could we FaceTime?

Like, first of all, no, that's never happening in a million years.

It's so funny.

So there's like this whole new generation of like 18, 19, 20 year olds where, like, but like like sloan is like their

girl um sorry to tell you but that was a really long time ago why why do you think why do you think sloan has i mean obviously you're beautiful and you played that character perfectly but why do you think sloan has resonated i've seen

and by the way the minute my son watches that because he'll just love that show he's an athlete he'll just love the whole premise right um it'll resonate again with with him and his boys.

Why do you think Sloan has just resonated all these years?

I mean, you know, I would love to hear what you have to say.

I have some takes on specifically Sloane.

Yeah.

I think that you would agree.

I think that Doug was

so protective of that character.

Very.

Like very.

And so she really was.

Like I joke about this.

Like I would be like, Doug, who is this unflappable woman, first of all?

And I think that's like half the dream.

Like, like this, this woman who's like not a ball buster.

Right.

She's like independent.

You know, she's got her own job, her own shit going on.

And comes from Hollywood royalty.

But is not in Hollywood necessarily.

But she isn't in Hollywood.

She's like a philanthropist.

Yeah.

Always looking like on point.

All, yes.

Like all the time.

Yes, that's correct.

And like to a lot of guys, they're like, well, that's my dream.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Right.

Like someone who's going to leave me alone and be supportive and like da da da.

And I'm like,

okay.

Ready for my take?

Yeah.

All that is true 100% and protected.

But also what you brought,

I think that's a hard thing to pull off acting-wise, right?

Because like you have to find still a way to like ground the character and make it believable.

Because all those things you said, it's like, are there really people like that who bring all that perfectly?

But here's what I think you represented to a lot of young, young men, early 20s and mid-20s.

The E character always had that juxtaposition of like, I love running around with my boys and there's like excess in every department, but I have this like unbelievable person who's not saying like, don't go do that stuff, but like at some point, you're going to have to grow up, right?

You never quite said it.

Maybe you had a line or two here or there.

I think you represented the like.

not high school sweetheart, but

go from boy to man.

Like go have a real relationship with a real woman and get out of that.

I think, because I think a lot of guys go through that.

They have someone in their life that means a lot, but maybe they're not quite ready to go in.

Right.

And you represented like the

yes.

Like, if you're ever going to be ready, this is the time to be ready.

Right.

And I think that was so cool about.

Sloan and E's journey.

It was really to me about two people trying to figure out if they're ready for all the things that we all kind of society thinks you should be ready for by a certain point in time.

And it was my take.

So how deep did I just get by?

No, that was on point, by the way.

But I think you're right.

I think that you're really right because people were really invested in:

are they or aren't they?

Yeah, like, are they going to work this out?

Are they going to get their shit together?

Are they going to do this?

And also, not for nothing, but like going back to the

sort of

heightened reality.

I mean,

after E sleeps with Melinda, I was a part of the writing of that episode.

I remember.

Yeah, E sleeps with her.

Stepmother.

You motherfuckers.

Unforgivable.

So, like, in real life, that was tough.

Yeah.

That'd be like a giant fuck you.

Right.

And like, no, never.

And still, somehow.

They worked it out.

They worked it out.

If you read that episode, are you just like kind of laughing to yourself?

You're like, oh my gosh, really?

I was gutted, actually.

Were you?

Because you know what happens?

This is what happened.

And I know you can relate.

When you're

playing a part, especially over a long period of time,

you know, you're emotionally connected to the character.

So there's moments like you don't, you barely even think about it anymore.

It's just knee-jerk.

And so when I read that episode, like, I was just like,

no.

Right.

Like, I'm so heartbroken.

Like, what an easy thing.

What road are we going down?

Why is he doing this?

And I was like, really.

That's good because that's like an audience reaction.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's an audience reaction.

Sure.

But yeah, you know, you become like emotionally invested.

And I was very disappointed in E.

Emmanuel was very disappointed in E.

I think a lot of people were.

You were looking right at you for someone who had it all together.

Yeah, you dumb idiot.

What the fuck were you doing?

We were talking about this the other day.

And this is a good parallel to how like the E.

Sloan romance, where there was real courting in the the beginning, right?

And there was a different generation.

And I kind of feel like courting is gone.

I don't know.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I'm apologizing to the kids out there.

By kids, I mean young adults.

Like DMs and Snapchats.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was pre-social media.

We were talking about like the texting stuff.

And like, when were we even texting?

And if you go back to like 04, we did like this social thing.

Like, how did you guys like plan for your night out?

It's like, well, first we call people to figure out who's designated driver.

Then you got to figure out where we're going.

It's a new place.

You got to figure out where it is and how you get there.

But how many texts did you send to people in 2005?

What, 10 a day, maybe?

Five?

Yeah.

Right.

And now it's nothing like that.

So

I do feel like there was courting with the E.E.

Sloan thing.

I don't know if I could survive in today's day.

Oh, I don't know if I could either.

I'm not a single individual.

Not that, like, I don't, I think it's actually kind of cool in some ways, but.

I just don't know.

I'm too old school.

I think I'm just too traditional too.

Like, meeting somebody online, like, it's about vibe.

Like, you meet somebody, and even if initially you don't find them attractive, like, they could be so charismatic and so hilarious that suddenly you're like, wait, you're hot.

Like, I didn't think so for a while.

That's right.

You lose the unexpected.

Like, oh, you got a thing.

Yes.

That's gone.

The vibe.

If anything, it's the opposite.

You think there's a thing and then you meet in real life and it's like, oh, you're not anything like that thing.

Exactly.

The first, when i i met my wife at in santa monica at a memorial day party and i was courting her i was persistent i was like this is the one this is the one yeah um and

she always says so i called her and i left her a voicemail we talked about voicemail i kind of haven't heard i'm just like hey it's matt voicemail so i left her a voicemail and i just said hey it's matt i'd love to take you out instead of texting and she she responded like a week later so she left me hanging a little bit but she said the reason why she called me back she was like, oh, he called me and took the time to at least just want to talk.

The first time we spoke, I kid not, we talked for like two and a half hours on the phone.

Hours on the phone.

It was like.

You just put your time in.

I put my time in, but it was like, there was not a dull moment.

And then we went to our first.

Remember the Belmont?

Yeah, the Belmont.

So that was our first date.

That was my spot.

That was our first date.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, that's a good time.

I've had first date.

I've had a lot of terrible date.

So

it was actually, it was the heat spurs.

La Siena, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

She's from Miami.

So

we were watching a game, but that was after like four or five hours on the phone.

It's like, my.

Can you have that moment of like, oh my God, it's been five hours?

I know.

I was like, what the,

yeah, you're all giddy and stuff.

So I was telling Jerry, my oldest is 18.

And my brother, probably like a year ago, was kind of like busting his balls about like a girl.

Like, hey, like, so did you get her number?

He was like, oh, I like this girl.

He's like, did you get a number?

And he goes, what do you mean?

My oldest.

This is like a set.

He's like, what do you mean?

My brother's like, what the fuck do you what do I mean?

Like, did you ask her for her number to like take her on a date?

He's like, Oh, no, no, we just start like Snapchatting.

I got our QR code.

I was like, I got our QR code, but it is this generation, like, they don't know.

It's it's kind of sad because we're all probably more old school, traditional.

Yeah, and also because we have really good,

like, let me preface by saying, of course, there's good, yeah, yes,

obviously,

right?

But

I definitely look back to the good old old times and I feel so lucky

that we had those because I feel sorry for very young people coming up.

Like even kids, like it's like, could you get off your phones and you're this and you're that, like go outside and play.

Right.

Like busy, like do something.

Yeah.

And it's, we just didn't have that.

No.

We just didn't.

But doesn't it make you feel like it's like, sorry, like, no, go ahead.

I almost, I almost forget what that was like, though.

Cause I'm, because, again, I have four kids.

So I'm like, I see my oldest on his phone.

Like, we, our little ones have the iPad every once in a while.

Right.

But it's like, God, like, my parents were saints because it's like, we never had this shit.

Right.

And they were the same thing.

Go play outside.

Yeah.

Go get dirty.

Do whatever hell you want.

And then be back by dinner.

Be back by dinner time.

I was like, these days are awesome.

I know.

But some of the things of my friends that I miss, and

it would be whether it's sports or even like a movie debate.

Like,

oh, yeah.

Do you remember

De Niro in that movie?

It's like, wait, De Niro wasn't in that movie.

Yes, he was.

No, he wasn't.

And you would debate it for three days until

someone's uncle showed up or you could look it up

somewhere.

And it was like, no, De Niro was in that movie.

We've lost all, like, with sports arguments.

Forget it.

We used to be able to argue sports stuff for days, look on bait, and now it's settled within five seconds.

No, it's incorrect.

Unreal.

I know.

It's at your fingertips for better or worse.

And look, the generation now will probably be here 20 years from now saying, Will you guys stop with the virtual dating in your goggles and go out there and text someone?

That's what they're going to be arguing.

In my day, we used to like text people witty things, and you guys are just blinking your eyes at each other in some goggles.

That's going to be their thing.

Well, the robots.

I mean, it's going to be AI.

Would you stop with the robots and go meet some real people?

No, that's going to be their thing.

No, it's real.

It's happening.

It's happening.

Yeah, it's crazy.

When Dylan and Connolly were here, they came on.

It was it was so awesome for me because I watched these three dudes just she knows the banter, yeah.

The banter, you can imagine actually great to have you on that.

It was so fun to sit back and watch.

Um, we talked a lot about the cameos, and like obviously there were a lot of athlete cameos.

Yeah, um, did you have a favorite cameo?

Oh, yeah, who are some of your favorite?

I'm wondering yours because like she has no idea.

I feel like I've never heard yours.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I don't think we've ever discussed this.

We

actually did a on Victorine.

We talked about this.

Okay.

Do you remember that

Doug Ellen?

Bless his heart.

He would have his video camera and be in your face.

Like this type of video camera.

Literally.

He would be or like on your phone.

Yeah.

But recording moments, he's so cute.

It was like a documented.

Dad.

Yeah.

You know?

So

it was when we had LeBron James and Matt Damon.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

I was dead.

I wasn't in that scene.

I came to set just to, like, hang.

You were in.

Yeah.

It was at the airport here.

I mean, I was dying.

Like, I was dying.

And so Doug is with his camera.

He's like, hey, Em.

How's it going?

Are you happy?

And I'm Doug.

Are you dying of both or Matt Damon or just probably?

I mean, both.

Both, yeah.

Like, for sure, both.

I mean, Matt Damon, because it's just like, wow, like a total movie star.

And then LeBron LeBron James because it was LeBron James.

And it was like young LeBron

was, this is like 07 maybe?

06, 07.

So was he 24?

The height of the LeBron James era.

And I remember, too, it was so cool because my nephew was having his bar mitzvah.

And I got LeBron James to record a video.

You did?

I did.

And I was just like,

aunt of this.

I'm going to say he doesn't do that for me.

I feel like if I go to him, I'm like, hey, Bron, my nephew, it's his 16th birthday.

Can you do a video?

He'd be like, yeah, no, I'm good.

I'm good.

Well, did you have,

I always wanted to ask you this, too, because for whatever reason, the show, and I even asked Matt, like the show really struck with athletes.

And I think I finally figured out maybe why.

And I'll tell you guys that.

But it got to a point where you remember in our height, like from season five on, where we had a lot of set visitors.

But it was such a, you'd, we'd literally be shooting a scene and then you go like where the monitors were where Doug and all the director would be and you're like, Is that

Kevin Durant?

Why is it Kevin Durant?

And there would be some tons of people

just come by, right?

Did you ever look around and be like, Why are all these athletes here?

There was, I never

every day.

Yeah, it just became, I don't know that I ever was just like, Why are they here?

But I, I just kind of came to expect it.

And if it wasn't athletes, it would be like by the monitor,

15 random people.

Yeah.

It was like a live studio audience.

Literally, that were just like so excited to be on that set.

And I think it just, it struck the cool chord.

Oh, yeah.

Like it was the coolest thing ever.

You want my pitch of why I think it's,

I've thought about this for years because I've had athletes, you know, I'm a sports junkie and I've had athletes who I've really admired or and just come up to me or I'm weirded out by how excited they are to talk.

And they tell me what the show meant to them.

I'm like, God, did we really mean things to people?

And here's what I came up with.

Where it's like, it stuck with actors, but maybe it's because it was Hollywood and there was always this approach.

But a lot of young athletes, you kind of know at a young age that they're going somewhere.

They're going to make it.

They're going to make a lot of money.

They're going to have this crazy life.

And people latch on to that.

Friends, family members, acquaintances.

So the entourage, so to speak, of people around you that you trust, I think it hits them at a younger age.

Because like actors, you don't know, you can't look at like a 17-year-old, maybe Timothy Chamel excluded.

You can't be like, oh, you're going to be fucking De Niro.

It's so obvious.

Like, get your ducks in a row now.

But I feel like for young athletes, that's very, very apparent.

For sure.

And then they watch entourage and they're like, oh, those guys like took care of one another there's like that direct parallel so yeah it's like a lifestyle

that's my take on why zion came right yeah this player i zion williamson who you know he's had a lot of ups and downs unbelievable player number one pick and they the media always gets on them about like weight issues and he's hurt a lot or whatever and i'm at a knick's game and game's over walking out and he didn't play he played that night and i feel this pat on my shoulder i'm like ow and i turn around it's he's massive right zion Williamson.

And I'm like, and he just comes up, quiet kid.

He's like, I just want to say, man, I saw Entourage last year when I was injured.

I couldn't play.

I was laid up for like months.

And that show got me through.

And I took that moment.

I said, I was like,

well, why?

Like, what was the thing that you liked?

And he's like, man, just your loyalty, your friendship.

He's like, you just, we all need people in our lives like that.

And I didn't like feel bad for him.

I was like, oh, wow, maybe he had some people in his life who weren't.

So

that's how I kind of got to him.

I think that you're right.

But also, too, you know, it's funny because

like

for sure, Entourage spoke to the sports world.

Like, even as a woman on the show, like

at the height of Entourage, I mean, I presented at the Emmys and the NFL Honors like a bunch of times.

NFL Honors.

You probably got a big cheer when you walked out.

I mean, the

sports people just love the show.

Yeah.

Like it was wild.

And then I did, uh,

I don't know if you remember this.

I did a, it was a beer commercial, but it was during

the basketball.

Yeah, yeah.

I think it aired during like the NBA or March Madness, was it?

Or NBA Finals.

I remember.

NBA Finals.

And I was wearing Kobe's number.

Yes, I remember that.

It was like a big deal.

It's a huge deal.

But it was that thing.

It was that like in the sport.

Like, suddenly I had this, like, and I'm not, sorry, guys.

Probably, like, not as much.

By the way, did you see how I weaved sports into the show?

Did you see how?

Jerry did so.

He's like, I don't think Emmanuel, she's not a big sports group.

Yeah, I know, like, Canadian, we're not going to talk hockey.

I'm sure she doesn't care about hockey either.

We'll leave that for Colin.

Watch how I expertly weave in sports here.

LeBron, we got a LeBron.

Well,

here's how Elsa was going to weave in sports.

You ready?

So we interviewed this pro golfer, Justin Thomas, who is one of my favorite golfers.

I was like smitten for the whole interview.

And then he mentioned at the end, you know, he loved entourage and stuff like that, but he also has a cameo in Happy Gilmore 2, which is coming out in like June.

I can't remember.

And it brought me to thinking, I always wanted to be in a Sandler movie.

I wanted to play pick up hoops with Adam Sandler.

And I remember when Emmanuel got...

the Sandler movie, Zohan, and what it meant at that.

And we were all just like, wow, we couldn't be happier.

Fucking huge movie.

And correct me if I'm wrong, though, like the story of how you got it, it wasn't like a typical, hey, come in for an audition, right?

I think I remember this, but can you tell it?

Yeah, I got, I just, it's these weird things that happen.

Like nothing's ever.

It's never easy.

Yeah.

It's one plus one equals two.

Not at all.

I had a general with Heather Perry.

Heather Perry.

At the time was running, you know, Sandler's company, Happy Madison.

And it was just a general.

And during the general,

we're talking, we're talking, and she's texting Jack Jaraputo, which was during the meeting, though.

During the meeting, you're like, Why are you texting?

We're supposed to be

really, it wasn't a Johnny Drama situation, yeah, yeah, exactly.

So I was like, whatever, you know, whatever.

And then, so the meeting is at, and she's like, hey, listen, before you leave, um,

do you want to come and meet the director of the movie that we're doing and make maybe say hi to Sandler?

And I was like, it's a good invite.

Sure.

Imagine if you're like, nah, bro, I'm good.

Yeah, I'm good.

Maybe next time.

I was like, yeah, yeah, sure.

So I met the director and Dennis Dugan.

He's the best.

Another sports junkie.

Oh, my God.

Sports thing.

I threw out the first pitch.

Oh, we're going to go.

I'll get to that.

Wait, save it.

We're going after that, but go ahead.

And that's thanks.

That's where we're going after that.

So I meet Dennis and he's like, he's like, great.

So when can you audition?

And I was like,

and I was shooting a film in Vancouver at the time.

And so, and I knew like this part, I needed an accent.

And it was a Sandler movie.

You don't want to half-ass that.

So I'm like,

you know, in like

10 days.

Like, which is pretty baldy.

You told the director 10 days?

Yeah, I'm going to go to the next one.

Tell me like that.

Tell me like nine days.

Good for you.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's like, oh, okay, I like that.

Sure.

So I do this audition.

He said the tape.

And then, you know, it followed up with a callback.

And it was great.

And of course, unbeknownst to me, and of course, thank God to Raji yet again.

You know, the,

again, as the story goes, Selma Hayek was supposed to do that role.

And she got pregnant and had to drop out.

And so

Sandler was asking around because, you know, it's to play his love interest.

And historically, you know, we're talking Drew Barrymore and like

whatever, Jen Anniston.

I mean, that's always a very like a thing.

Yeah.

It's like a launch.

The thing.

So he was asking around town of like

help.

I need someone.

Like, I want it is, is shrieking.

Like, oh,

getting recon on you.

Yes.

Ah.

Recon on me.

Like,

can I hold my own?

Like, can I go toe-to-toe with Sandler?

He himself?

Wow.

I did not know this part of the story.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You obviously found that out after.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

He's incredible.

And yeah, so he'd asked around.

And then again, so I have to go back to shoot this movie in Vancouver.

And one day in my hotel room, like I'm about to leave to set and the phone rings.

Hello?

Like, hi, I have

Adam Sandler for you.

Like, what is happening?

It's like a fake call.

Yeah.

I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever.

And he's like, hey, Shrieky sampler how you doing i called you shrieky yeah and it's like um he's like so i got some really good news this is gonna be really fun

and i'm like

so wait did i get it like is this happening and it was you know that yeah and it was the most epic experience that is epic that is so sick that's got to be similar to stuff you went through like when you know you get drafted into the pros.

It's like people are just doing recon on you.

They're asking everybody, right?

Aren't they not being like good liners a lot of recon on me though i used to so i tell jerry this

not a lot of great recon um

when i was so i had i don't know like i i went to usc during that height so like we were very much it's really what brought this show together

kind of living the hollywood life we were treated like these guys like the beats professional team i ran into connolly a bunch back in the day um yeah but they so when i was in a draft meeting with the new orleans saints and this is a true story of Sean Payton at the time, and they were drafting number two, and they ended up drafting Reggie Bush.

I don't know if you know that name, but he was my teammate.

And

they were grilling me.

So like, probably a lot like an audition.

Like an audition.

There's a lot of pressure.

You have people looking at you, but this is like in every direction.

You know, millions of dollars is an investment they're about to do.

And he goes, so like, he just brings up entourage.

So like, like, I hear you have an entourage, all this stuff, and blah, blah, blah.

And, and, uh, people,

my teammates used to call me Vinny Chase.

They called me Vinny Chase.

I would be on a play,

it'd a play in practice, a true story.

And this middle linebacker, Monty Beisel, I'll never forget.

He'd go, Vinny Chase coming up.

Let's go, Vinny Chase.

Yeah.

Because I was sort of, I had this perception of just, I had my boys and we kind of grew up and grew up in Hollywood and that kind of stuff.

But yeah, I would get grilled

about like having my own personal entourage.

And there were references of the show.

And I'm like, gosh, I love football.

It was like, I was trying to escape the narrative.

Where's your turtle, Matt?

Where's your liner?

Leiner?

Where's turtle?

Is turtle here?

I used to always say, I always, I had like my own version of my turtle.

I used to always say that.

So it's so funny now.

I know.

Well, that's something I get.

You, you didn't get.

Like, but I would always get people come up to me being like, I'm the turtle in my friend group.

I'm like, cool.

But every now and then, I get the guy who comes up like, yeah, we got our boy.

We're just like you guys.

I'm Vince.

I'm like, really?

Yeah.

You?

Yeah, I have.

It was tough, Vince, man.

Okay.

All right, Vince.

All right.

All right, Vince.

We were, so my wife and I, we did our honeymoon in Italy, and it was when

Sandler was shooting the movie with Anderson, I think.

The murder mystery.

I love all those movies.

I love soccer for you.

I had a brief cameo in a Sandler movie.

That's right.

Both of you have worked with Sandler.

I'm the only one on this panel that has not worked with Sandler.

When I was doing a little research, like, what should I ask her?

I know you were at the House Bunny premiere.

Do you remember that?

Yes.

So I did a little small camo.

The only reason why I say that is because my Sandler, that was like a, and we shot the scene at the Playboy Mansion.

Right.

It was actually pretty.

It was actually pretty

big.

Josh Richmond was there, by the way.

I'm not surprised.

So that's how I met Heather and all them.

So anyway,

I've actually a really funny story of that.

But fast forward to my honeymoon in 2018.

And

we're in Lake Como and we're in the pool.

And

in comes Sandler and his girls, his two daughters.

And I was like, we, I saw, and then he's like a big sports guy.

So it was just like, what's up?

We were kind of catching up.

And in typical Sandler fashion, no board shorts, baggy ass.

He is swimming.

I swear, I asked my wife this.

He is swimming laps in this lake Como pool.

It's beautiful.

in his baggy ass board basketball with goggles on.

And I swear, and his girls are in the jacuzzi.

I think, I don't know if his wife was there, but it was like, I'm like, I actually asked him, I said, bro, bro i was like what are you doing he's just he's literally swimming laughs people are kind of saying hi they're kind of looking at him like is that it was it was the funniest i've ever seen i know but i think it's like typical one of one he just doesn't yeah he's so like normal like that you know he's just like yeah wild like it's weird it is weird right like to be him right so beloved so respected yeah and like so normal yeah it's wild it's just he it was like the underwear with basketball shorts swimming he was probably playing hoops right before taking a dip.

My wife and I were dying.

We're like, this guy just doesn't.

We were so happy for you.

He's so sweet, babe.

Just even hearing those two stories, I got to imagine, too, and I've never really been on that end.

I've made some good news calls to some people, but not at that scale.

It's got to be cool to make that call.

Like, just know, like, all right, we're going to call Emmanuel

and tell her she got the gig.

Like, that's got to be.

It's like momentous.

Like, everybody's aware that this is, this is a big moment.

And this sets are fun, right?

I know you guys had a lot of work and it was

not an easy movie to shoot, but it was probably a lot of fun.

Yeah.

How do you, how do you...

So you were shooting a movie at the time.

So how do you, weren't you, when you got that call from Sandler, you were still shooting?

Oh, yeah.

So I, and I was like rapping.

You finished it.

But you're just like, I, I'm now your focus on this during that.

That's got to be like crazy.

It was just what well it was the anticipation.

Right.

Yeah.

You know, and it's like, it's so crazy because like

you always,

as an actor, you shut like the dream is to know what your next gig is.

Even if you're working, right?

It's like one in the can, what's next?

And like,

I don't even think at the time, you never realize in the moment.

I didn't realize then

that that was going to be an absolute highlight of my career.

Yeah.

Like, didn't know it.

Didn't know it during entourage either.

You can't.

You need time to go by though.

Right.

And then like you process and you

and people's reactions and stuff happens like over time.

You know, it's so wild.

What is

like the best advice?

And because you just said how different it is.

Probably if you're young enough, I could give full advice.

Like what is the what is what would be the best?

What is your advice to like aspiring actor and actresses?

And just like

I, I mean, it's hard.

It's so hard.

I, I, my, my heart sinks a little bit every time like a young person is like, you know,

I want to be an actor.

I want to get into the divorce.

And I'm like, oh, do you know?

The ship is sinking.

Like, it's so, like, it's always been difficult.

And I would say it's 10 times more difficult now.

What's the rejection, right?

But then what else?

Just forget the rejection.

Rejection.

Yeah.

Like, you get used to that.

Yeah, that, like, you have second skin, whatever.

No, it is like,

it's just not the same anymore.

It's so competitive, like because it's a different game.

Yeah.

You know, whether, you know, streaming, you know, you've heard this a thousand times on your social media streaming, your social media phones.

Right now, we're still dealing with the

fallout of COVID, of the strike,

of fires now, the fires of people losing money, of like whatever.

It's one shitstorm after another.

And like

you just, you feel it.

It's, it's, it's undeniable to not feel it.

Like, literally, unless you're the 0.1% that like pick and choose no matter what,

you know,

can't be that lucky in the moment.

But it's really hard.

So it's like, I would say, yeah, of course, perseverance and have a team that's passionate about you and is going to think outside the box.

I would say, like, that's the best piece of advice I could give.

If you weren't an actress, what would you do?

Have you ever even allowed yourself to think?

I don't know.

I don't even know if I.

I have.

Oh, okay.

No, I have because I think like I kind of walk the line, I toe the line, sort of like both ways.

I honestly think that I would be like a full social justice warrior.

Yeah.

If I wasn't an actress.

You'd be tremendous.

I mean, like, it's kind of something that I do anyway.

Yeah.

And I feel like one feeds the other.

So, like,

the more

success that I can achieve, the more that helps

the other.

You know.

Yep.

You know.

So,

but I mean, other than that, I mean, listen, my dream is to retire one day and have like a bookshop, flower shop, coffee shop.

Where?

Would you be here still?

No.

No, you'd be somewhere

remote.

In like Greece or in like somewhere in the Mediterranean.

That's nice.

What would your flower bookshop be called?

Don't say Sloan's.

No,

it would probably be called Shannon.

They're named after Urinals.

Don't say Sloan's.

It would be called, I think it would be called Yellow Ray Books.

Okay.

You don't have to give the meaning if you don't want.

You tapped onto something interesting too, because this isn't even advice I would give to a younger person.

This is advice I give to myself.

And

this goes for acting, but this goes for everything.

Whether you like it or not, I don't know why I keep looking dead into the camera like I'm talking to.

By By the way, this is, just get serious.

Whether you like it or not, you can't, it's really hard to be one thing.

Meaning, like, if you're putting all your, like, I want to be an actor and that's it, which is a legitimate thing.

That's what you used to do.

You pick what you want to do and you go for it.

Yeah.

You have to write a little or you have to direct a little or you have to be good.

And the good thing about now, not maybe necessarily for us because we're more, we're the actors or we're used to like the big meeting at the restaurant.

You You have an amazing device in your hands, which is a blessing and a curse.

But one of the blessings is you have film-like quality in your hands.

My biggest gripe with acting always used to be, you can't wake up tomorrow and say, I want to act tomorrow.

We didn't go to Shakespeare in the park.

What are you going to go do?

Yeah.

But now you are armed with cheap equipment and you could go make something tomorrow.

It might not be good, but you can go make something.

And that's what I would tell anyone.

That's like the good thing about sports is like, even if things aren't going well, you you can still wake up and do your work and get it in and get better.

Even if it's not.

Is there less auditioning now because of that?

I think so, right?

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

For sure.

A million percent.

So you don't, yeah, like that whole process has changed?

Completely.

I mean, and it's, it's been like this gradual evolution.

But like,

I remember coming to LA

and this was when you were like, am I a film actor or a TV actor?

Yeah, because you can't do both.

If you're TV, you're in TV for life.

That's it.

And I came and in like the first, I don't know, six, seven years of being in LA, I was like movies only.

Yeah.

And you did some pretty,

you got off to a quick start.

I mean, we did, I did a lot of indies and did like fun things.

But you were working.

I was working.

And then like, and then it evolved to like cable television.

And then, of course, there was the hot ticket, you know, being on HBO.

HBO, which was also a blessing and a curse because after being on HBO, you're like a snob for a second and you're like, I want network.

Huh?

But then you have to take the humble pill and you're like, no, work is work.

And network TV pays a lot more.

And yeah, of course.

And then, you know, you're watching massive movie stars doing television now.

And so the competition, it's just not the same.

Like that used to be my golden ticket a few years ago.

Whereas now it's like, no, I'm auditioning for shit that five years ago would be a straight offer.

Yeah.

Right.

It's humble.

Well, they went with Kate Winslet.

Yeah.

Oh, Kate Winslet's doing this one.

It is crazy.

It is crazy that I'd be up against Kate Winslet.

It is crazy to see like all of these like,

I mean,

mega superstar actor doing like all these streaming shows.

It's just, it is.

It's so different

as a fan just watching.

Like, it's like,

Julia Roberts is doing that shit.

It's just like a strange.

It's a whole

lot.

Yeah, Nicole Kimmens, like crushing.

Oh, she's been like one after another.

Oh, I know.

And they're good.

They're good.

Yes.

Well, do you know who is currently shooting a movie?

I don't know if you've heard about this.

I heard this yesterday from Connolly and it kind of broke my brain.

What?

Currently in Bulgaria.

Oh, I know this.

In Bulgaria, Kevin Dillon, who's unavailable to do the victory podcast because he's shooting a movie.

Kevin Dylan will work until it's the cast reads as Kevin Dillon opposite Seth Green.

Yes.

Now, if you are an Entourage fan, you know, that is a pairing

that means something to you.

Wait, so Jer.

I was blown away when I heard this.

I mean, I didn't sell it.

He shouldn't have done it.

Fuck Seth Green.

He should have passed on that movie.

Don't do no movie with Seth Green.

Fuck him.

Oh my God.

I died.

So I was very recently in Israel and I just got back.

And while I was in Israel, I get a text.

No, Seth Green texts me and he's like, hi from Bulgaria.

I'm with Kevin Dylan.

Oh, my God.

And then he says,

and then he, and then he texts me and he goes,

he goes, Kevin says, you know, tell Sloan.

I said, what's up?

And I was, and then I was like, wait, is he being serious?

It's real.

It's happening.

Kevin Dylan, Seth Green, coming to us

streamer probably near you.

Fantastic.

Well,

there's a great victory podcast episode with you, Connolly, Seth, and Doug.

So if you want to get your like Seth Green fix, which it's a great episode, go listen to it.

But I always say too, I always have the line, like for me, the Tom Brady sucks balls is the line that I hear the most.

The most, right?

Hilarious.

Yeah.

I feel for you, like, it has to be, is it like, what up?

Like, do you get like, is it the Seth Green shit or no?

Always.

Always.

I said, what up?

Always.

And you're like, seriously, that's, do you think you're the first?

And Seth, to his credit, he's always leaned into it.

Anytime I see him, he always makes me take a picture of him.

He makes me look like I'm about to punch him.

He's always leaned into it.

He does.

He's such a, he's such like a good sport.

Yeah.

Because he also knows.

Yeah.

He has the best sense of humor, but he also knows.

He's like, fans go crazy for this stuff.

Like when I, for that episode, we did a picture of

I Was in the Middle of Seth and E.

I mean, that stuff went viral.

Of course, like, it was hilarious.

I was like, wow, they are still chomping at the bit for that.

Jerry always said he, when we had the guys on, he has this whole thing where everybody is now, right?

Oh, like, if the reboot happened, like, turtle, like, what was it?

The tequila thing was the movie.

Turtle is

lost his money in a crypto scam,

but he bought some Bitcoin on a drunken night out, but can't remember his key phrase to get in.

So he's locked out of the, he has, and you only get like five attempts, and you're like locked out forever.

So he has one attempt left.

So his storyline is: we got to figure out my one attempt because I have like $18 million in Bitcoin, and I can't remember the code.

That's my pitch returnal.

Wait, that's great.

Johnny Drama's getting replaced by AI.

He's fighting the fight.

We're replacing him with AI.

We didn't do Sloane.

So I guess, do you have,

where do you think, if you could just use your imagination, where do you think Sloan is right now?

If we're calling in the Warriors, we're rounding up the crew for a reboot.

First blush, where do you think Sloan's at?

I mean, that would be the best.

I told the guys, I'm like, are we just not going to...

Connolly's like, eh, it's not that easy, though.

I'm like, I'm sure it's not.

It's not.

But you know what's crazy is that, like, we, like, you know, a lot of shows get redone.

Oh, yeah.

But it's, like, not with the original cast.

Yeah.

We could still do it.

Yeah.

There's a little original cast.

Maybe we have to throw in a

couple, a couple of youngins, like a couple of up-and-coming TikTokers, YouTubers.

Maybe.

Sprinkle that in.

Right.

But

we could still do it.

Jerry's like, I don't know if we could do a reboot.

Well, I guess here's the real question.

In your heart of hearts, are E and Sloan together, right?

I think yes.

Okay.

You you have a baby, so you're together in some ways.

We probably have more than one baby.

I think we're like New York-based.

Oh, back to the East Coast.

I think we're back to the East.

I like cats.

New York-based, multiple babies.

Yeah, multiple babies.

Sloan is,

you know, probably running

some company.

But, like, what would the good conflict be?

Maybe

after all this time,

you know,

Sloane starts to have the eye for someone else.

Not in the group.

Oh, you're talking about...

Just in general?

No, not in the group.

No, so that's not weird here.

She found that.

Not in the group.

Right.

Or like we have to work through it.

It's like a nuclear family now.

We have to.

Yes.

And like, he's got, maybe he has a kid too.

Is it like all the things?

That like devastating.

That would be forever just trying to get it.

That just gave you the the goosebumps remember remember the end of the movie uh um it was like one of my favorite movies uh anniston and vince vaughan remember oh the breakup the breakup one of the realist breakup movies the real it was like i was so sad and then they run into each other in chicago on the street but they never get back together and it was like that that's what i'm envisioning you're like oh yeah it's like a really sad but like that's a god but like it's like amicable but it's like just i'm not in love with you anymore right right we're writing it right now up there all the times well i'm gonna to cry now, and I guess we could maybe start to wrap up with this.

I don't know if you remember this.

Last shot in the history of Entourage.

We're at the airport.

And I think it's me, Dylan, Connolly, maybe the dog.

I'm not quite sure.

We're in the Lincoln.

Adrian, we're like pulling up and we pull in.

And then like Scott Kahn's character rolls up and Emmanuel is off to the side because she's waiting by her plan.

And then, so they call series rap.

I'm not trying to make anyone cry.

But in the whole time, I remember knowing, you know, it's your last day.

And

joking around, like, all right, who's going to cry?

Now, I'm a crier, bro.

Full disclosure,

I am a crier.

I'm not afraid to cry.

I'm emotional, dude, as you, as you've gotten to learn about me.

I love that about you.

I'm like, no, I'm going to hold it.

I'm going to hold it together.

I'm going to hold it together.

Let it fly.

We do the last shot.

Gary goes, all right, it's a series.

And they start going one by one by like, cast series rap on Kevin Dill, all this stuff and they bring out the cake and i'm holding it together and then i take one look at emmanuel lock eyes she has like one little it's forming and i just

i fucking i like was trembling

it was trembling and it was you we locked eyes and I was cool and I saw you and I just fucking balled.

Oh, I so remember.

Yep.

That was such.

I'll never forget that.

I'll never forget that.

But it was you.

you guys.

No one else, of course, insensitive other dudes on the show.

I was like, oh, it's happy.

It's over.

No one said it happened.

I'm sure everybody, but that's a testament to you guys in the show.

It was just like the

probably real life friendships.

Look at you now, 20 years later.

You know what?

It's actually, and it's so sweet too, because, you know, people always ask me, like, who,

you know, who do you still stay in touch with?

And for me, you know, obviously

great terms, but like, I mean, my bros are, you know, Jer and Kev.

You know, Kev, I see regularly because he's in LA, but if Jer was here in L.A.,

I mean, we flew, Kevin and I went to Jerry's wedding together.

Epic.

First of all, I didn't think anyone of my L.A.

friends were going to come because he was in fucking

Canton, Ohio by the Hall of Fame.

Well, I guess Breeze, their friends.

Breeze Day.

It's beautiful.

I would have been totally fine if my LA friends were like, Jerry, we'll love you, but we can't get to Canton on a Friday or whenever it was.

But everyone showed up, mostly everyone.

And then Connolly and Emmanuel were like, they rolled in together, and it was, it was.

We flew together.

It was epic.

Yeah.

We had a good time.

It was just, oh, it was such a beautiful weather.

Summer.

It had to have been summer.

That was summer.

It was like,

I was about to say, when is it?

It's June 30th.

Remember, you're so happy.

Someone said, like, early July.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

So, well, listen, you know how I feel about you.

Now you two are friends now.

I know.

It's so lovely to meet you finally.

The only thing I'll say, I'll end on this, that

the one bummer about getting to work with you all those years is it's going to be hard for us to work together again on something different.

I know.

Because like, could you see a movie where like me and Emmanuel, like, we're married in a movie?

Like, I feel like audiences would be like, what the fuck is this?

I know, but I could do it.

I think it's possible, but I think we would have to be like characters.

Really characters.

Like, real characters.

Yeah.

But, like, I hope so you that's what i mean like it's a bummer even with with the kevins and like i look at those guys like and there's been moments too where i've gotten calls for movies and then heard like oh connolly might be in this part i'm like well i guess i'm out because no one's gonna hire us yeah because it's we're just so known because we're so tied and it's this beautiful thing i say that's the one percent bummers like you know we might not do five more movies together right exactly we'll find something yeah

commercial with dylan right i did do

it.

I don't know if you saw that.

We did something for like F1, me and Kevin Dylan.

I'll show it to you.

It was mainly on like social media and stuff.

Yeah.

And this is what really started making me think, you know what, we could reboot this show.

Cause I was always like, no, we can't do it.

We've done everything with these characters.

So it was this spot for F1 Racing and Visa Cash App.

And it was a cool concept.

Like Dylan and I are on a road trip to Vegas and we stop off in the desert and whatever.

So

it's, we're not being drama and turtle, but we are.

It's like a wink.

We're not calling each other drama and turtle.

And there was a moment that morning, I'm like, fuck, can I still do this?

Like, I could still act, but can

I'm 45 years old.

Can I be turtle like in the way they want?

Do I still have it?

After one take with Kevin Dillon, you're like, yeah.

He takes off his sunglasses.

He goes, we got to go to Vegas, bro.

I'm like, holy shit, this guy still got his fastball, man.

He is throwing

heat.

So I felt like, I'm like, it's go time.

And after like take two, I'm like, no, we could, we could theoretically, this guy still got it.

He's still got it.

You guys just got to get together and do something.

Even if it's social, you guys would kill.

I always say that, by the way, I'm like, it's

we could do campaigns to get there's so much stuff because people

still love

just that group.

Yeah.

Together as a group, it's

yeah.

But just remember, we did the movie five years after the show.

I know, I know.

And it felt like three days later.

Like we showed up and we were in it.

Like kind of wild.

Yeah, leg breaks and all.

Constantly breaking his leg.

Didn't bat an eyelash.

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So, Matt, it's an interesting time of year as we sit here in late May, OTAs going on for everyone.

I just, I wanted to ask you off the air, so I figured I'd wait till on the air.

What is it like right now this time of year?

Both one is like when you're a rookie doing this for the first time, and then when when you're a vet coming in otas kind of back to school yeah i mean it's it's

it's fun i would say so like when you break down a season right you play play the season the regular season's over for some it goes through february for some it's like january one and you're on vacation right and from typically from january to march you have a you have a couple months off if you're done right if no playoffs go do whatever you want travel spend time with the family and then that then you have like the winter workouts kind of begin, the spring workouts in March.

I would say 80% of players are there.

Now you have your handful that won't show up or maybe come, whatever, but like you're there for, you're there for lifting, basically.

So for me, I go to Arizona.

I'm there.

lifting, we'll throw at the receivers, get some workouts.

You're hanging out there.

I would go home every week, you know, go back to California on the weekends.

You know, I think we were like Monday through Thursday training, two hours weight room.

You're just hanging around.

You're just hanging around the facility, right?

That's all.

You're building some camaraderie.

Yeah.

It's like, those are the off-season workouts.

That's the off-season workout.

And then, and then you have a little more, then you have more time off, then you go home.

Then you have, say, that's the end of March, April.

Then, then, OTAs are usually in May, right?

That's when like you have two sets of OTAs where you have like seven or eight practices here, and then you have another OTA, and then you're done for the summer.

Um,

I mean, look, OTAs are installation of the offense or defense.

You do seven on seven, you do team, you do like full practice, like hour and a half practice, pretty light work.

You're in and out, you're watching film, and you move on.

But it is, it's sort of that, you always talk about offseason, right?

Where you build chemistry, you put the offense in, you get the, like there's the rookie OTA, which happens right after the draft, and that's just rookies, undrafted rookies.

You might have 15, 20 guys there, you might have 10, 11 guys there, and you get, you, you try and accomplish as much as you can with with the amount of players that you have.

But the same thing, seven on seven, team, you install, and then the next one is the vet full team OTA.

So now the rookies have a little bit of like they have a lot of catching up to do.

And the big thing, too, it's like from rookie OTA to vet to team OTA, the coaches are like, rookies, this shit's real now.

Like, like, we're going to be installing faster, faster, faster.

Like, make sure you study, make sure you're prepared, or else you're going to be fucking, you're not going to be on the team.

Like, like, it's, it gets, it gets, and that's what OTAs are super important, man, because it's like first impression of of young players to their coaches.

Can they handle it?

Can they play with the speed of the vets and all those kinds of things?

So

it's a fun time a year because it's like you're off a little bit, then you work out, then you get to practice, you're around the guys again, and then you get another six or seven weeks off, and then it's training camp.

The worst part about the year is training camp.

Training camp.

That's because that's bro.

Yeah.

Do you want me to give you like

where was Arizona?

I was up in Flagstaff, um which is beautiful so it's like 70 degrees up there in august like rain it was beautiful trees i think they do it i think they do it now at the stadium now honestly so and because we didn't have an indoor facility back then

let me give you a day in uh training camp we're gonna we gotta do some pods around training camp and go see some of the we should go visit one we should go visit one so I might mess up some of these times, but like a two-day, right?

So you're up, you're up at 6 a.m., whatever, tape, breakfast, you're on the field by 8 o'clock, 8.30.

In Houston, we were on early because you try to beat the heat for that morning practice.

So you're on the 8, 8 to 10.30, you're on the field or 8 to 10.

Work, a little bit of post-workout, whatever.

You go in, you shower, you get your lunch, you go straight to meetings.

So like say 11.30 to 1.30 or 11.30 to 1 lunch meetings.

Meetings are you watch the film of the first practice.

Yep.

Then you have like a little bit of a break.

And then at 2 o'clock or 2:30, you have meetings again for the next installation of the next practice.

So you're in the meeting again for an hour and then you get ready.

You take your practice from four to six, whatever.

You're done.

You go dinner, you shower.

Then you have meetings from 7.30 to like 9 or 9.30.

Even that, well, I see that now.

The tail end.

I thought you guys would have been in the ice bath.

Tail end, dude.

Actually, there might not be meeting.

There's meetings.

So there's meetings between both practices.

That meeting is to watch the practice and

then maybe an install into the second practice.

The post-meeting at the end is watching the practice again.

Right.

And then you're done.

And then you do it all over again.

And that's for like a two-a-day.

Sometimes the one-a-day practice now, because you can't do two a days every day, the one-a-day, same type of thing.

But in the afternoon, you'll have like a walkthrough for an hour, a lot less.

And then you have meetings.

And then maybe your day ends at 9 or 8.30.

And then you're done.

And then curfews at 10.30.

It's just, dude, it's a grind.

Is it like bed check?

Is someone knocking on your door, making sure you're in the room?

Bed check, 10:30, bed check.

And by the, by the time you're in day three or four, dude, you're, you're, your

head is on that pillow at 9.30, knocked out.

You're dead.

You're done.

Who's the player?

I can't forget.

I can't remember.

I think we saw it because of hard knocks that he got cut because he, I think it was a young guy.

He brought a girl to his room.

Yeah, you don't do that.

I just say he's like, she wasn't going to stay.

I just feel like you got to know.

You just survived, dude.

You survived those three weeks.

Now, they do break it up.

You know, you have a day off.

Like, we had a couple of days.

Like, you get through like the first eight or nine days, then you have, because then it's like two weeks is, then you have, then you have preseason, right?

Like, like, you're right there.

It's just that first seven or eight days is like a grind because you start, you're kind of excited.

Then you're like day seven.

You're like, dude.

But then you start practicing against other teams.

So like it's broken up.

Then it becomes hard knocks to kind of the stuff we start to see.

Yeah, then you start to see like you have inner squad practices with other teams for two or three days.

Then you have pre, then once you get into preseason and camp breaks, then it's just normal, like a normal season.

You just go in, meet, practice, you go home, you know, and then you just, you know, so it's about a 17 days of just,

dude, a grind.

Deion Long was the player who got cut for bringing that young lady to his training camp.

There's a couple, there's a couple things you don't do.

That's probably got to be rule number one.

One,

you don't miss bed check.

Right.

Two, don't be late to a meeting, man.

Don't.

Well, because like, what else are you there to do?

Like, what would be your excuse for being late?

There's zero excuse to ever be, ever be late for a meeting.

Now, bed check, you know, sometimes people might be on another room playing cards.

You, you, you're going right.

PlayStation.

I would have been a PlayStation guy.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that's going on, but like, everyone kind of knows, dude.

Like, you just, just be in your room

by the time, like, whatever.

Last thing, the, those earlier OTAs you're talking about, and I famously, obviously, like, Tom Brady always skipped them, Rogers skipped them.

And now all the talk is like, well, Rogers isn't even on the team right now.

I know you mentioned 20%, but for a quarterback, if you've been like a Brady, if you've been on that team for years,

day in, day out,

is it acceptable?

Like when you kind of skip it, it's like, okay, like Tommy's been talking about.

I mean, Tom Brady was in New England for

like he stopped.

One, it's almost like it's good for the other guys to get reps.

Get your backup quarterback.

Although Brian Hoyer was at for years, like get him in there and get him the OTAs.

Like, what is Tom?

What else does Tom need to do at that point?

He's spending time with his family.

He's stepping away.

He'll be ready to lock then load it.

There's just, there's probably like a, like, you can count like five to 10 people probably in the NFL still today that you could technically get away with that if you wanted to.

Yeah, with the Rodgers thing, like, again, like, we're just all assuming

skipped OTAs, right?

Dude, I was never, I was never in in a position to skip otas i did hold i did i did hold out my rookie contract though so i missed a little bit of training camp that's another story when did the checks start hitting you get so you get your signing bonus first right and that's what you're kind of living off of until you get to game one and then you get like a paycheck for a game you get a paycheck

you get a paycheck um

you get a paycheck every friday at least it was friday was was check and that was a fun day you go pick it up um someone you don't get anything you get your signing bonus and then that's yeah that's rookie you got at least back when i was playing one yeah back when i was playing you got like a big signing bonus check in september or october and then you got another one in march or april so you got two and those are big right and i mean okay like like dude like

uh you know like 50 million guaranteed you get like you might be getting literally like a 30 million dollar check

that goes right i guess my mind more so goes to like the fifth round pick who's like scratching.

It's the same thing, dude.

Like, like, like you get four years, $4 million,

right, with a signing bonus of $1.2 million.

So they get that.

That signing bonus is broken up, you know, maybe a half a million in October and then $700,000 in March.

Listen, before I get to the bottom of the bus, I can see how for a young person, especially if you don't come from much, that like you get that signing bonus check.

Well, that's the issue, dude.

You get a big old check, man.

Even if it's like a $2 million thing, like you get, you know, you get a million dollars in the bank.

All of a sudden, you're like, oh, I can buy a car or this.

And then all of a sudden you're like, well, dude, tax boom.

Oh, I got $300,000 left.

Like, it just, yeah, it can go fast.

But

it's going to be here before we know it football.

See, hearing this,

I can't.

By the way, I can't wait for fantasy football, bro.

Let's go.

We're going to go to the next one.

We got to find out our celebrities.

Yeah, we have to do our league if you want me to continue and not just gamble.

So,

yeah, hit us up on Twitter at that.

We'll figure out, see some celebrities you might want to see that we could reach out to.

And all right, Maddie, that's another one.

I mean, hopefully, next week's show, I might be more depressed or I might be way happier.

Listen,

get some rest.

Okay.

I'm busy.

Hey, go hit some golf balls on the range.

It's a good idea.

Talk to the wife.

Yes.

Commit.

And then we might have a big announcement to me.

And let's have a big announcement.

All right.

And then came bye-bye.

Go ahead.

Later, bro.

No, I'm done.

I'm done.

Later.

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