From the Coliseum to the Cartel: Owen Hanson talks drugs, gambling, the cartel, prison and more

You become the dealer, a bookie. You get involved with one of the most dangerous cartels in the world.
How much money were you making a day? It was a million dollars a day.

Man, holy bro.

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Take it away, man. We have an unbelievable guest today.
This

story, which y'all are going to hear, and by the way, in two parts, because it's that good.

This is a guy whose life is so nuts, guys. It could be a movie.

And that's exactly what Mark Wahlberg did in Amazon with the new dock, cocaine quarterback, signal collar for the cartel, premiering on prime video today.

Former All-American top 50 volleyball recruit at Redondo Union High School, then received a scholarship to play at USC, eventually walked on to the Trojans football team where he and I became teammates and became buddies, won a couple national championships together.

Obviously, there's a lot more to this story. It is unbelievable, especially after this, after USC is when it really became a movie.

International drug and gambling rings, encrypted phones, cartels, prison, ice cream made in prison mop buckets, and so much more.

Our guest today, Jerry, O'Dog, Owen Hansen, otherwise known as the cocaine quarterback. Yeah, part one of a two-part sit-down.

And I'll just say before we roll it, the only time I've been nervous to interview anyone, was this one because I just did not know what we were walking into.

And I watched the documentary before talking with him. And whoa!

Uh, also, after that, we got Annie Agar joining us for some more twisted tea trivia, but let's just get to it because this is a good one.

Owen Hansen, the cocaine quarterback, right now, on throwbacks. Buckle up.

Let me just give this title real quick to you. Okay,

kid from the South Bay. You end up at USC volleyball to football, where we became teammates.

You win championships. In that time,

you become somewhat of a dealer of all sorts.

And again, I didn't know this at the time.

You become a bookie. You get involved with one of the most dangerous cartels in the world, money laundering, drug kingpin.

You end up in prison for almost a decade. You start your own incredible business from prison, which we're going to talk about later.

Talk about, yeah. You have a dock coming out on Amazon called Cocaine Quarterback, where you were essentially the quarterback for the cartel.

Man, holy bro, made it. And you're here.
I made it. And you're made, dude.
You made it. You're alive.
And you're here.

Like,

I don't know. When you hear all that stuff, like, your mind's got to be,

it has to go to a lot of different spots. Definitely.
You know, if you don't believe in God, you better start. Yeah.
Because,

wow, I should have never made it out alive. And then,

you know, sentenced to 21 years in federal prison and a life sentence in Australia. And here I am with my old quarterback.
Wow.

We got, well, we got the tall scene bumming.

We were, I was talking to Jerry. I'm like, I'm almost positive the last time I saw an O-Dog, we go, oh, by O-Dog, Owen, by O-Dog, was at my golf tournament.

And I'm thinking, like, this must have been right before all this shit went down because it was like, I think it was like 2013 or 14. 2014.
And I remember, and it was like, O-Dog's coming.

You, you donated to my charity. Hancock is there.
Are some of our boys? You're playing golf.

and like at some point because i don't i don't know if we were in the same force but at some point i hear like yeah oh dog's got like 50 grand cash like he's like i think he probably at some point was like hey hey maddie you want to bet something i'm like no bro i'm good but that was the last time i saw you was 12 years ago yeah

i brought that cash to hustle some of your uh charity guys and did you hustled i won 20 grand that day did you i hustled one of hancock's buddy

And they're like, Odog, he got us. You playing per hole or is it just like an overall? hole?

And we'd ride it. You know, we'd say, hey, you know, 5,000 here, rollovers would go to 10.
And then eventually you get to 18 and you're at 20.

Now, oh, and like, I was telling you off the air before we started, the dock. I watched, like, I've watched the first two at home.
And then when I flew here, I'm watching the final episode.

We're going to try today not to step on too much of the dock because we want people to watch it and be surprised. But there's so much there.

I don't think we could actually step on anything because you have so many other layers to your story. I was on the plane watching the final episode of your dock, chewing on my nails.

My wife's sitting in the aisle next to me because I have kids with this. She's like, what are you watching? I'm like, babe, I'll tell you about it later.
You need to watch this.

This dude's story is absolutely crazy. And we're talking to him on the pod.
So, you know, first of all, I know you don't probably watch the dock back, but

even talking off the air, there's even like so much to your story that's probably not in the dock, right? At this point, there's definitely a lot.

You know, we were hoping for a six part but amazon gave us three part there definitely could have been a six part but uh there's a lot of stuff they left off you know like the bookmaking right um the gambling is so big now you know i spent nearly a decade in federal prison so this dock is just the tip of the iceberg well

in watching the earlier one right like i obviously i was like your story from where you grew up and then you know you're in this heavily heavily recruited volleyball player and you go into sc right because you had letters to a lot of different schools for volleyball it wasn't just like oh i got one place you kind of had your choice a choice from a lot of different d1 schools right pepper dyne which was a good volleyball school byu university of hawaii offered me a full ride so i had i had that choice right and i always tell people man what if i would have just stuck with going to hawaii i probably wouldn't be here today right it's almost like that usc i was actually going to ask the question of like if you or if you never walked on to the football team, which is a crazy, which is a big part of your story, but you walked on because you met everybody and you kind of got, you've got exposed to sort of like this lifestyle right through all of us like we were dude maddie we were red carpet every week we were living the dream we like a thursday night we were in in hollywood if you josh richmonds put in the red carpet we had josh

dude he's a legend he is a legend we like if you never

If you never even play football and SC, that's right, because SC, you can get into stuff. And we all, we were probably, we were boys even if you weren't on the football team.

But like, if you never played football at USC, you probably wouldn't be here today. You probably would have done something else.
And that's, it's wild.

I probably would have been somewhere, you know, working a nine-to-five, working maybe a real estate developer, what I enjoyed to do.

But I always tell people, like, man, if I didn't play football, like Matt just said, and I wasn't around, all my friends are going to the NFL draft.

You know, Matt has a big contract, Reggie has a big contract, Sean Cody, Frosty, all these guys that were hanging out with Mike Williams. Yeah.

And I'm, man, like, where do I fit in? Right. And it was already like that.

Cause when I went to USC, I was already the son of a construction worker so it's already like okay chip on the shoulder a little bit yeah everyone has a silver spoon so how am i going to make it and that that whole time i was like chasing like how am i going to fit in like how am i going to survive and and that's why i got into hustling you know graham bags for my fraternity brothers you know steroids for my teammates and the list goes on you know I remember going to Cabo San Lucas on a spring break.

You know, I'll never forget this. I'm like, how am I going to make money to be able to party with all these kids, right? I'm like, dude, I'm just going to figure it out.

And I remember going to where I'm from, Redona Beach, and there's, there's a rough side, north side Redona, which is a little rougher. It used to be rougher.
Now it's not as rough. And

I remembered these kids I went to high school with were, you know, gang members. I'm like, dude, I need a favor.
I need you guys to hook me up with some blow and some ecstasy. I said, front it to me.

And they did it. They said, here you go.
And I remembered, dude, I just, I said, I'm going to figure out how to get these drugs into Cabo San Lucas for the spring break.

Like, people usually don't bring drugs. There's dogs at the airport, too, waiting.
Wow. So, how'd you do it? So, I did it, dude.
I strapped on.

I got our compressor shorts that we got on the football team, these Nike compressor shorts. And I made them nice and tight.
You know, they were size small.

And I just wrapped it, wrapped it, wrapped it, and just put it. Put it where it needs to go, right? And I'm not going to say where, but it went.
It's where it needs to go.

Not the hole. No, knock it off, buddy.
Come on, man.

So

I said, you know what?

As long as I push that green button when you go into Cobby, it's a passe or a delto, you know, green or red.

As long as that thing goes green, I'm good. You're going.
And I talk about it in the book, The California Kid, because I was nervous.

All my fraternity brothers are looking at me like, dude, are you okay, bro? I'm like sweating. It's like Midnight Express.
I don't know if you're seeing that. You don't get caught in Mexico.
Oh, yeah.

You're going to Mexican. There's no rules.
Yeah, there's no rules.

And I remember I pushed that pase, right? I was like, oh, yeah. And literally the next guy behind me hit red.
I was like, oh, wow. Well, I just made it.
I made it. You made it by one?

I made it by one.

And I remember that trip. I was like, okay,

I'm good. Like, I remember, I think I made like $10,000 on that trip.
And I sold a gram for $100. And I sold an ecstasy pill for 20.
And I think I had like two ounces, so 56 grams.

And then I had 300 ecstasy pills and i was people were just looking at me like dude that's the man right there and i remember the first day on the beach it was uh the mango deck right the office down there

office dude people were coming up to me great spot and jerry i felt like the man i had every chick from arizona state arizona ucla everybody wanted to hang out with odog and i was like dude this is the life like it just brought me like like to the next level.

Well, because that's what I think is so unique about your story too. because

you know a lot of times it just boils down to all right well you just wanted to make money yes of course but like there is other things that come to it there's a powerful feeling it is a a feeling of like not that you fit in but you more than fit in people are seeking you out to for sure get what you're kind of providing and like early on with the doc which i wanted to ask you when you were playing volleyball and

i don't know you tell because you were so highly recruited and and you get to SC to play volleyball and like everyone's kind of great right you're great but everyone's everyone's great at the sport you wouldn't be at sc if you weren't jerry i won two national championships at 17 18 years old on the beach national yeah that's unheard of

yeah gold medals as a beach volleyball player then i go and play at at redondohai which um you know matt's son goes there now and i i become this all-american top 50 player in america for volleyball which is

like brightening about not even a sport.

Daily Breeze player of the year.

So I'm like, cool, I'm going to have a good career. You get to USC, and guess what? Everyone's all-American.
That's everyone's story.

You know, I'm playing behind Brooke Billings, who's an Olympian, all-American, jumps 45 inches, you know. And I'm like, okay, I guess I'm not that good, you know.

And I was the shortest guy on the team. I was 6'3 with the 37-inch vertical.
And I was like, and you were the shortest guy on the team. That's crazy.

And I was like, man, it was a bummer because you go there for volleyball.

And I i remember that day they called me in the office and they said hansen we got to cut you we're going to register you i'm like what do you mean cut me i came here to play volleyball you guys paid me to come here you're telling me you're cutting me like fuck that he's like handson you gotta wear you gotta work on your your vertical jump and your arm strength and i was so mad that day jerry i remember i said you know what i'm gonna show him And that day I drove down to, actually I drove down to Redondo Beach, the Gold's Gym.

And I went to the biggest bodybuilder there and I said, hey, what do you you recommend? Yeah. I said, I need to work on my vertical and my arm strength.
And he starts listing all these steroids.

I'm like, the light bulb went off. I'm like, okay.

That's my way. That's my way.

I'm going to show my coach that I have a vertical and I have an arm,

you know,

a swing, like a whip, right?

So the guy gave me this list, what I needed, and that's what I did.

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So we got Owen on talking documentaries. His documentary is going to be awesome.
And it got us thinking, what are some of the best sports documentaries that are out there?

I know what my number one is, and I have two others that are like definitely my favorites, but I do have an all-time no doubter, and I'm going to save it for the end.

Would you like to give us a few first? Yeah, I'll give you my three. I'll start.
I have the same one, no doubter. I'm going to go Kobe Bryant Muse 2015.

goodbye again i mean people know this by me by now i i'm i mean i have kobe all over in the background favorite athlete i just i just love

i look because he was so like he was so difficult it's kind of like tiger right he was so polaroized and you didn't really know a lot about him at times he was so private and to himself so anytime those things popped up i was just fascinated obviously rest in peace to the goat uh the second one

oj simpson made in america i mean that might be the best documentary i mean it is period not even sports just ever of any documentary. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else to say about it.

It's just one of the greatest talks ever. It's just, it's a crazy story.

And then number one, and by far in a way, and I don't think you have this as number one, which is a shame, is the last dance by Michael, Michael Jordan.

In a time where COVID, the whole world shut down, there was only one thing,

one thing in the world that people couldn't wait for it to come out. And it was the last dance.
And remember, they dropped an episode, I think, every week. And I was like, I can't wait.

I can't wait for the next one. I can't wait for the next one.
And it lived up to the hype. So MJ's last dance for me is the greatest sports dock of all time.
That's up there for me, too.

That, that also, like, there's a lot of NYX trauma in that for me. So, I, but I sit through it.
I have a traumatic one as my number three. And I, this is what I was saying.

Like, I don't think just because I should put my favorite teams in there, but the comeback about the 04 Red Sox, which I watched recently and I talked about on the pod, that is an incredible

sports dock. If you just wanted to be about the sport and the rivalry.

Then this one is a personal favorite for me when we were kings. Ollie Foreman, Rumble in the Jungle, shot on film.
It just like, it's a time capsule to a different time.

And then the best sports documentary of all time. And I would fight to the end with anyone on this.
Hoop dreams. And if you haven't seen hoop dreams,

I haven't seen it. You gotta watch hoop dreams.
Like, hoop dreams walked so all these other sports documentaries could run. It just wasn't.

Okay, so what made it, what makes it so good?

Well, again, sports documentaries were not very popular back then. You didn't get tons of them, but there was no 30 for 30s.
Obviously, it's long before pre-social media.

And there was no AAU basketball, really. So these were two prime young athletes that they started watching from like fifth grade.
And they watch them from fifth grade through like college.

It's like it spans their life over 10 years of their career. One kid went to like a private prep school.
The other kid went to like a tough public school.

And which kid was going to have the better career was sort of like versus the private school versus the public school. It's awesome.
Yeah. Follows two inner city Chicago teenagers, Arthur Ageey.

Arthur Agee and William Gates from ages 14 to 18 documenting their struggles to become college basketball players on the road to professionalism. All right.
You should watch that. Where you go.
Yeah.

Watch that on your, wherever you're traveling to this weekend. It's an awesome one.
I'll watch it. All right.
Shout outs to Wendy's. Let's get back to Owen Hansen.
Then you went down to Mexico. Right.

And

for me, this is really where like the dock kicks off because like I'm enjoying your whole backstory. Like I, and I understand your story too.

We have very different stories, but yeah, I grew up in a place in Brooklyn where it's like, it's rough. Everyone's like chasing the same quarter, so to speak.
But then you go down there.

and you're bringing something back with you, right? And you talk about those nerves and like what happens to you as as you're trying to cross customs back to

and when you got through in the dock you have this look on your face like holy i did it and is part of your story too that rush that you get from pulling something like that off you know which most people in the world probably 99.9 of the people in the world do not have the balls to even attempt and here you are you attempted it and you did it and now it's just on yeah you know as an athlete right you're competitive you're yeah so now You want to win?

I want to win. I want to beat the feds across this stuff, across the border, just to say I did it.
Right.

And then I remember that day coming across into the United States was the first time I've ever smuggled anything into the United States. Mexico was easy, right?

You're not, they're not looking for it, but coming into the U.S., that's

a big problem.

And I tell people, man, that day I came through and the customs asked if I'm bringing anything back, and my heart just dropped, right? This is strapped to you again, right?

This strapped to me again, same way. And

I said, no, sir.

where where did you go oh we were at papas and beer

and uh harmless harmless right it's a good line right

it's better than better than telling that i was at at a litis or hong kong bar so i was like uh no i was like i was at uh papas and beer rosarito

and they're like welcome back And I was like, fuck yeah, baby.

I'm back. I said, dude, they even know what's going to be happening now.
So you go, so

like, like Jerry said, the rush that you got was like, and then immediately you're probably a light bulb is like, was that before or after the spring break? Where did those

so that was after?

So you would already, but you said smuggling into Cabo or Mexo was easy. Yeah, which is not easy.
Yeah,

the Cabo was easy for me because I wasn't worried because

it's they're not looking for people bringing in drugs. Yeah, so I already knew that I had that going.

But of course, you're still worried you're going to get pushed that red button, but I wasn't as bad. But I already had that mindset.
Like, if I could go in, I could come out.

So, I remember I was like, man, I just made it through the border. And it just kind of that light bulb went off.
Like, okay, that was a rush. Was that is that?

So, like, I think the big part too is like, and then

this is where you start to take the steroids, you get fucking jacked, you walk on for the football team. And that's where our relationship and all our boys kind of started.

You talk about it in the dock, but just describe that because that was a big decision you made. And that opened you up to a whole lot of shit because we were fucking, we were kings.

We were kings these days. Like the Beatles, right? No, but I'm just saying, like, everyone, everyone, I'm sure they asked you, everyone asked me, like, what was it like that?

Then I'm like, honestly, it felt normal because that's all we knew.

But then looking back, I'm like, it's not normal. No, you see videos now like of us partying.
You're like, damn, we were rock stars.

So that moment.

You realize the light bulb. Okay.
Wow, I can do this shit. Wow, this is pretty cool.
This makes me feel kind of powerful. Then you feel powerful because you're on the football team.

Like, just that time in your life, like, describe that.

That was the greatest time of my life.

You were unstoppable. Like, I felt like Superman.
I was taking steroids. I was sniffing cocaine.
I was dating the hottest chicks in every sorority. And I was part of the USC football team, man.

Like, it doesn't get any better. That two national championships, might I add.

You know, we, I think we lost one game, right, Matt, to Cal

three

times, three overtimes.

three overtimes right three overtimes for them to win so i remember like dude i said this is the life like like where do you go from here right do you remember the first time meeting oh like who's this what like because you were the only crap everyone for the walk-on yeah you were the only person who walked on that year

and then the next year was clay matthews yeah you know what's crazy about watching the dock dude and it actually made me i was telling you it made me it made me a little bit emotional dude because i was like

like

oh fit in right away i think i don't remember like we had hand we had our boys like we were just fun dude and like oh dog fit in right away to everybody you know it's just like and maybe maybe like watching up maybe it was because you were trying to fit in so much because i didn't know you're but i was a chameleon you know you were a chameleon like like oh it's just fucking he was just fun he was like the whatever um

but i never i never really knew

that you probably that you were doing all this shit like while we were while we were hanging and stuff well it's which is just like sherry it's not something you want to spell yourself

a little low. I appreciate you, Donnie.

Like, there's people like my dad and mother to this day. They're like,

we didn't have a clue. I'm like, yeah, mom, that's not something I'm going to tell you.

You know, I have how active were you like on campus kind of like this, this, I guess you could call it a side hustle at the time, right? Like, dude, it was a side hustle.

Like I said, I just wanted to pay for those. those drinks at the 90 or 28th Street Cafe.

Dude, it just started like that because, dude, I'm not sure we ever paid for a drink.

Oh, we did it, but your date, date, right? You just want to be the man. Like, here, let me get you that.

But, dude, I just wanted it to cover my expenses because my mom and dad, they didn't give me anything.

And I was like, this is how I'm going to get by. This is like my hustle.
And I planned it so well. I remember I was living at the beta theta pi fraternity house and I planned it so well.

We'd go to, we had double days in the summer, right? And I would have my fraternity brother who lived with me at the beta house. I'd be like, okay, I weighed out all the grams for him.

You know, there would be like 300 grams in the sock drawer and I'd be like, okay, there's ecstasy here. There's Xanax here.
There's Adderall here.

Remember, every 20 grams you sell, you get one on the house. Every 20 ecstasy pills, you get one house.
One of the rooms. Yeah, I gave it permission.
The way the land.

So he's like, good, dude, this is awesome. Thanks so much.

Thanks, okay. How much were you selling this for? Dude, I was

the grams were like, I think 60 bucks, right? And a gram.

The dealer down the street at like Arco Gas was like selling it to these fraternity kids for like $100 a gram, right? So I undercut the market and my stuff was way better.

These guys were stepping on their stuff.

But it wasn't even me selling it, right? I just sat back and I would go to practice. I remember, and I'd come back.
He's like, oh, fucking yakked out of his mind. I'm like, what's the matter?

Well, he goes, we have a problem. I go, what's the problem? He goes, we're out of coke.

I said, that's that. I said, that's a good problem to have.

Yeah, we sold all of that. That means you've had like three grams yourself.

Well, you don't want to hear we're out of coke, and there's not money. Yeah, that's when there is a problem.

You pull the software out and literally there's just 20s full. You know, back then people use cash.

There's so many moments in your story, which we're like unpacking it all, but in that time, was there

living the dream, powerful, having fun, going, going off? Like, was there a moment in that time, too, where it was like...

Not a scary moment, but I'm like, oh, shit, like this could fucking end up bad or I could get one of my teammates in trouble. Or just, was there ever that early on?

You know, because I know it hits you later on. Listen, there wasn't that moment.
I'll tell you why. Because my mindset was like this.

As soon as I'm done with college, I already know a USC alumni is going to hire me, which happened. And I said, that's it.
I'm turning it off. Right.
This is a college thing.

I did like how I just get some cash. Yeah.

I did that. Was it a career path? Yeah.
I showed up. I remember my first job interview was with Gary Saffidy, who you know lived next to Mark, actually.

And dude, I showed up with that national championship ring. And dude, I was hired on the spot.

I remember, I think he paid me like, you know, $60,000 a year plus commission. I was like, dude, this is it.
And

put that side hustle away. I was happy.
Life was good. And you were going to sell real estate, right? I was going to work with real estate marketing.

Yeah. And then in 2007,

I remember they called me in the office and they're like, you're the first one to go. And I mean, how can you argue it? The market just crashed.
Yeah.

And I scrambled. You know, I did, I did what I did in college.
I said, okay. What am I going to do? Like, this is how am I going to do it? How am I going to survive?

Survive. Yeah.

And then I was like dude you know what i want to be a bookie like you know you've always been that that gangster your life you've always thought like you've watched good fellows scarface and you've always wanted to be like like them right and you know sports you know yeah we know sports we know it well we know everybody right you know so i said i think that would be the perfect job for me and i remember my father had an italian bookmaker friend and i said dude that's that

i said that's the play right there i'm gonna go ask uh tony i was gonna say that's your only connection to that was the only connection to that and he he didn't want to do it he said no way man you you just graduated from usc i said man this is temporary i just lost my job right i said please tony i begged him dude it took me like three sit-downs with him to finally convince him he's like all right i'll do it but just temporary and i it snowballed

what was the first he's like do you start like running a sheet almost like where you're running a sheet he's giving me like he's giving me you know 20 he's giving me and he's like go get your clients and i started going to the the football players that are now in the NFL, you know, guys that played baseball at SCO, now in the major leagues.

Guys that have to be a little more discreet when they're placing something. Correct.
And that's probably what you did well. I bet you you kept it.
I was very well. I was already had that gangster too.

And you're an athlete. It's like you're one of them.
You know, you have the championship. We're in.
I golf with them and they feel like they're me. Yeah.

So then I started going after all these like fraternity brothers that all have daddy's money. So now I was starting to build this network.

And I remember I went after one of the general contractors that was working for the developer. And I used to see him bet on the games, like $20,000 a game.
And I'm like,

I'm going to get that guy's business. So I went to him.
I said, hey, you know, I lost my job. I said,

I've watched you gamble on sports. I've heard you on the phone.
What if I gave you a line, gave you a website, gave you a number, and I gave you $100,000 credit line?

And I remember that was the first whale I got. And the guy lost, I think the first week he lost $90,000.
And you got to remember, I'm 21 years old.

And then the next week, hundred thousand i'm like okay this is my calling and he's paying on

like it's you're not even having yeah i'm giving him free plays right like he loses a hundred anything he wants he loses a hundred i'm like here's 10 000 free play good luck here's a bottle of vodka here's a coke here's a hooker like whatever he wanted he got like he was the man like to me that was like this is my whale

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And then I tried to ask this, this Italian, I said, dude, you got to bump my commission up. I said, I just collected a million dollars in six months for you.
I said, you got paid 800,000.

I got paid 200. I said, I'm doing all these are my customers.
Yeah. I'm like, sorry.
I'm like, okay, you guys want to play me like that? I'm I'm going to figure out a way to do this myself.

And that's when I flew down to Costa Rica, the mecca of sports betting. Yeah.

And I figured it out, man. I went door to door.
And you're on your own now.

You don't have like three or four dudes with you who know the business as well. You are independent.
It's just me. That's crazy.
That's why they call me Odog. Betodog.com was my website.
And

shocking. I feel like I know that website.
So it was not the first time. It was a big website, dude.
We got big, man. It got really big.

So those guys that ended up teaching me the business ended up getting busted by the feds.

So it's just a domino effect. Once they got busted, I took all their clients.
So I was like, literally, if I had 2,000 customers in 2012, 2013, 2014, I ran the whole United States.

I mean, I had Paris Hilton betting with me. You know, it's crazy.
I had some big, a lot of A-list celebrities. a lot of baseball players, a lot of UFC fighters.
You'd be surprised.

You know, I mentioned it in the book,

who was gambling with me. But

it's incredible that, you know, I was able to turn that bad opportunity with the recession and flip it around. Well, that's like the sliding doors.

And you could say this about anyone's story, really, because obviously, like, if the real estate market doesn't crash, you very well might just still right now be a just real estate tycoon sitting here, right?

Or even if like, if your Italian buddy is like, you know what? Yeah, I'll bump you up to 40%.

You might just be like, cool, I'll work with this whale and I'll wait for the economy to come back and I'll go back to that.

Like so many different moments where, you know, the path could have changed, but sometimes the world's lining up in a certain way that you want to say like it's intentionally pushing you in that direction, but

you know, so many different things could have, doors could have closed that could have changed the course of your history. Yeah.

And I think now that once you go on your own, you want to be your own, right?

in boss.

I actually could do this without anybody. I'm not going to go to work for someone and wear a suit from nine to five.
That doesn't sound exciting. So once you just taste that, and then, you know,

you start going international with this thing. Like, I'm like, okay, I'll go to Mexico.
I'll go to China, wherever. Whoever wants to bet with me, bet with me.
You know,

I got cocky. And one of my bookies that worked was underneath me, he had a customer out of Mexico.

That's just, this is where this thing turned bad, Jerry. This is where it turned bad, man.
This is this is where you meet.

Yeah, this is uh

exactly. That's a good, good, good, good.
Like, I'm telling you, Karen, those helicopters are following me. They're like, you're crazy.
Yeah, you're right. That's Henry Hill right there.

So just start booking bets. And unbeknownst to me, I'm booking bets for the most infamous cartel lieutenant at the time.
I'm not going to say the name.

I never say the name, obviously, for safety reasons. But I don't have a clue because, like I told you when we were speaking earlier, I don't care who my bookies have as customers.

As long as they're paying,

he's taking his percentage, I'm taking mine. Everyone's happy.

When you're getting bags of cash, $250,000 on a Monday, you don't care. You just say, keep giving that guy his free plays, whatever he wants.
We'll provide the service for him.

And finally, Jerry,

he finally had a five-pick. And I think it was the Raiders parlay.
He was going to crack me for like $250,000, $260,000 on a Sunday. He's finally going to hit, but you want him to.

him. If you don't let him hit, then guess what? They're going to be like, I'm dead.
Yeah. I was like, come on, baby.
Please, please. I want to show him.

You're rooting for him. And people look at me like, why would you root for him? Like, dude, you don't know this business.
Yeah, this is the business. I want to give him back some money.

And I called his sub-bookie. I said, get your ass over here right now.
I said, I'm going to have a bag of cash for you. It was Sunday night.

I said, as soon as this game's over, I said, come Monday morning, give him that bag of cash. 8 a.m.
I don't care if he's still sleeping. It does not happen.
It doesn't happen in the bookie business.

It does not happen. You didn't know he was.

I didn't know at the time.

Didn't have a clue, but I knew it was a VIP customer to me. That's all I cared about.
It could have been

a doctor. I didn't care.
Right.

And he showed up and he paid him at 8 a.m. And I remember a week went by and he says,

Hey, my uncle said you do really good business. And I said, your uncle, he goes, yeah, that's my customer.
And this, this agent of mine is a Mexican. I'm like, okay, cool.
I'm glad.

Oh, by the way. And he gives me an encrypted phone.
He wants to speak to you.

I go, wait a minute.

I don't even know what the encrypted phone is, right?

Yeah. Oh, my God.

They're like, looking at it, like, what am I supposed to do with this? Has no microphone, no camera. It's just like a brick, right?

He goes, okay, this is your password. You got like three passwords to get into this thing.
Oh, shit. And like opening it up.

And sure enough, he says, man, he spoke English, half English, half Spanish.

you do good business mienombre is you know what's his name fake name of course and he uh

he says i i want to see if you can do some business for me and i'm like yeah what this is a vip customer whatever you want like whatever you want you want to keep yeah i want i want this guy losing a quarter million every week right

he says i like how you do business he says uh can i pay you 10 to move some cash for me i'm like yeah no problem he's like sometimes i need a hundred thousand in san diego 100 000 in new york 100 000 in Florida, whatever the number may be.

He goes, whatever you drop off, I'll pay you 10%. I'm like, dude, this is easy.
I'm a bookie. I have money all over the U.S.
I have agents all over every state, pretty much.

So for me, it's just a phone call. Providing a service for a client.
I'm like, no problem. Hey, New York.
Hey, drop off 100 grand down on 6th Street. Boom, 100 grand dropped off.

Get on the encrypted phone. It's done.
Okay, where do you want the 110? Because he's paying me 10%. I said, send it to my office in Costa Rica.
So it was just a well-oiled machine, right?

I'm making 10% a day, you know? And eventually it started getting bigger and bigger. One time he had me pick up a million dollars.

And then I made $100,000 in a day minus my fees for the private jet and the two security I brought with me.

So it's like, fuck, this is, this is fun for me. Like,

it's fun. Like, I'm not, I feel like I'm not doing anything illegal.
Right. But you're getting the rush feeling

into that same rush. Same rush when I came across that border, right?

I'm like, okay, this was fun. Like hiring the private jet company, telling the pilot, the the pilot telling me I can't have guns on the plane, right?

And telling my security, like, guys, put those in the car, you know, and getting off that plane and picking up that money and looking around, like, am I going to get attacked?

Like, you know, something's bad's going on, but you don't,

you still haven't touched those drugs. You know, you got to keep that in mind.
So in my mind, I'm just a really good money laundering

person. So,

dude, it was just, it was just like business 101 for me. It was like, okay, I'm good at this.
You know, I'm going to figure out a way, whatever this guy wants.

I mean, he's now losing money on the sports book, and he's just basically paying me

between $10,000 and $100,000 a day.

Okay, joining us now, as she always does, Annie Agar. Courtesy of Twisted Tea, grab a refreshing Twisted Tea today.
We're going to play. Twisted trivia, which math has been dominant thus far.

I'm going to make my big comeback.

Annie, how are you?

I've been better. been

better weeks. No, I'm good.
We're on to week four. Everything's going to be fine.

Who did you guys lose to last week? The Browns. You know, Matt, I don't remember.
I don't, you know, it's not definitely the Browns because that would be embarrassing. As a week three game,

does that hurt more because it's the Browns and just the lowly Browns? Or is it just like, hey, we'll move on. It's a loss.
We move on. Like to you as a fan.

It's the worst possible setup because of the first two games prior. If we had played mediocre the first two, we played two contending teams

and destroyed them to then lose to the Cleveland Browns. Oh, but hey, you launched Twin Junkins' career.
They now have a running back. The Browns should be two and one.

I hope everybody who has them in fantasy is happy. The Browns are a field goal kicker away from being two and one.
And they have a really good defense at home. That's the thing.

It's not even their offense.

I would say their offense put up actually just three points on. Have you seen the conspiracy theories, though, that the, I mean, what was Jordan Love?

Some of those plays were like, didn't they say they're investigating it? Like,

are you sure that was a fake account?

I thought so, too. I don't think that someone who took an adjusted line.
I mean, that sack on third and one was bad.

I took an adjusted line parlay and I moved the Packers down to minus two and a half. I was thinking the same thing while watching that game slip away.

Think of all the people in their survivor pools that the Packers literally screwed them the entire because I'm pretty sure they got all the other games. Everything kind of went.

They crushed a lot of people.

So see how they bounce back i want to because i want to ask you guys a question can i ask you guys a question yeah what's more what's more shocking the colts being three and oh and daniel jones playing like an mvp or bill belich being on the cover of us magazine

what's more shocking that's a great question you know what at this point i would nothing with bill surprises me so i'd probably say daniel jones man i'm pretty surprised at the bellichek

the matrix is really broke they listen when you

when you've made the cover of us

you've made it. You've made it in the tablets.

Or you have a lot of issues in your life. That would have been the biggest underdog that's like most likely person five years ago to be on the cover of us weekly.
Yeah.

Bill Bellichek would be like, I don't know, the biggest odds of all time. That's crazy.
I was just checking. Just checking.

It just resonated more when you showed me it, too, because when you hear it, you're like, oh, it's just Bill. But no, it's like, by the way, he posed in everything.

Top 100 NFL, like all-time jacket, too. It's great.
It's such a bill. So weird.
Yeah, it's crazy. All right.
I don't even know if we should talk NFL after that.

Maybe we should just go right to trivia because I need to bounce back. Let me get the twisted T for there are no Bill Ball check questions in here.
So that's good. I got my hat on.

I'm locked in this week, Matt. Let's do it, Annie.
All right, buddy. Question number one: Who was the last NFL MVP that was not a quarterback? Last NFL MVP, Adrian Peterson.

Yes.

Wow.

Let's go.

It's the hat. 2012.
2012. It's the hat.

NFL MVP.

Okay.

Who has thrown for the most interceptions in NFL history?

Brett Farve.

Yeah. I saw Brett Farfrev.
Oh, that was a close. No way.
Check the tape. We'll both tape the ticket.
I was going to say

a half a second off. Okay.

Number three, who is the only player in NFL history to average over 100 rushing yards per game?

This is a ways back.

Jim Brown.

Oh my gosh. You guys are on the hat.
It's the hat today.

That is the most. By the way, that is the luckiest guess I've ever heard in my life.
Luckiest guessed. Well, Jim Brown had a short career with unbelievable numbers.

So if you just do the math in your mind, less games, give a better chance of keeping that average. Wow.

I see where your brain went. That's very good.
That's good. That's the hat.
Just a route.

Just when the team shows up after two bad weeks. By the way, you're two and one.
It's not a route. You're up to one.

Well, I did say Brett Favre before you. No, you don't.
We'll let it go because I'm a generous guy today.

Who was the last running back to be named offensive rookie of the year?

I know this one because it's like deceiving, I think. Todd Gurley.

Nope. Would you say it's deceiving like someone you would not have imagined? That's right.
Or it's pretty typical. It's pretty.
Last running back to be named offensive rookie of the year. Rookie.

McCaffrey?

Nope. Derrick Henry.
Jerry's going to love this answer. Tell you that.
Saquon Barkley. Oh, Saquon Barkley.
Yes.

Yes, I got it.

I was about to cuss at you, but I won't do it. There you go.
Two and two. For all that, you're being up on me.
We're two and two. All right.
This is it. This is the tiebreaker, gentlemen.

Who was the last number one overall pick to win rookie of the year?

Who? Not Cam Newton? No.

It's not Andrew Luck, is it? It's not. No, I know because it's RG3.
Not one overall. No, it wasn't number one pick.
He was number two. Andrew was in the same draft as Andrew Luck.
Yeah.

Last number one pick to win MVP. No, offensive to win rookie of the year.
Offensive rookie of the year. Um, it's like, uh, I mean,

it's your cut, you're you're around there, like timing-wise.

Nope, it's a good guess. He wasn't a number one pick.
This kind of surprised me. Oh, yeah, oh, number one pick, number one pick.
Yeah, Trevor Lawrence. Number one pick.
No,

what?

Maybe for most interceptions. Give us a hint.
Give us a hint.

Um,

he would be on the short list of people.

What? That's your hit. That's your hit.
He would be on. Tyler Murray.

Yeah.

Sorry, Matt. That was a bad hit.

I see what you were doing. Tall guys don't think about short.
Like, he didn't know what that meant. Tyler Murray thought.
I know I've had that joke said to me before.

So that's why I was able to snap into action. Matt, being 6'5 in Air Force Ones, wouldn't know what that meant.
Are you guys, are you guys, how tall are you, Jerry? Are you the same height?

You're 5'6 ⁇ . Jerry's 5'6 on a good day when he has.
Well, I have shrunk about an inch. I have shrunk for bad posture.
I used to be 5'7. Yeah, we all.
As per my license.

Wow.

That surprised me. I didn't know he won rookie of the year.
Neither did I. I didn't know he had a good rookie.
I think he did. I think he did.
Then it went downhill, and now he's back. Our Short Kings

are going. Well, I feel like the hat brought me back.
Shout outs to Twisted T. I would crack one right now.

But we got some more work to do.

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At what point did you know

who you were getting involved with? Oh, I started.

Did listen, you know, but you don't. You're looking at the bad.

Yeah, you don't want to know. You don't want to ask too many questions.
Yeah, of course. And you're just finally saying to yourself, well, listen,

this is really a whale, a VIP customer. We know he's into illegal activity.
I can guess. I'm no dummy.
I'm picking up money from Mexicans. Like, that's okay.
Mexican, Mexico.

Okay, I'm putting it together. And then

the true one was when he told me on the encrypted phone, how would you like to make a million dollars a day? You got to remember, man, I'm 25.

You know, this is where my career as a cocaine quarterback became better than Matt's career as a quarterback. You know, it really did.

You know, Matt played for four teams and I played for one cartel and I started getting paid a million dollars a day to do the same thing in Australia now.

And

I remember getting to Australia and I'm like, okay. And you've never been to Australia at this point, right? Service like new

territory surroundings for you. What's your, like,

what's a day-to-day like when you're moving a fucking million dollar or you're making a million a day, you're living this high life? Because

you do kind of touch on the dock a little bit, like you're on top of the world. But at that point, you know who you're involved with.

You know, you're probably doing some bad shit, but like, I don't care. I'm doing this.
Like,

what's a day-to-day like for you

in that time of your life? To be honest, man, a lot of drugs. Because

you were doing a lot of drugs. You're so stressed.
The stress, man, is stressful.

Like the sleep.

You're sleeping. One day I remember in Australia, I was sleeping on $10 million was underneath my bed in the cupboards of the

kitchen. Yeah.
In the in the dishwasher, in the attic. And I'm just sitting there with my encrypted phone waiting for El Hefe's message.

I'm just like, gosh, I can't even sleep. I'm popping Xanax and I still can't sleep.
You know, I'm like, okay,

this is a terrible feeling. And you're not even like...
like trying to get out, right?

You can't get out. At that point, it's in the business.
I mean, at some point, you're so far in, it's like... There's only one way out.
Just two ways, right? Dead or in prison.

And I took the later two, which you know god god bless you know that it happened that way yeah you know we let's be honest i shouldn't be here and like you're still so young i mean i want to say that you were a kid because you were a young man but it's like you're not 45 making these decisions with a lot of life experience you're still kind of starting your yeah it was 26.

yeah you're learning on the fly you're i look back i'm 45 i look back to when i was 26 i didn't know anything no really i was like learning while i go especially with like acting like you're just learning as you go.

So I imagine like you turn around after like two years, you're like, I learned a lot, but also I'm way involved more than I probably wanted to be at the time. No doubt.

Like I remember in prison thinking like, man, I could have done that a little cleaner. Like I sure fucked up on that.
Like, I'm an old man now. Right.

I'm like 41 years old thinking about my young days. I'm like, man, I should have done something.
A big, I mean, a big part of your story is when

you lost all the money. yeah that's a big part i didn't lose it you didn't lose it

for you and that i feel like that like there's turning points in all our careers right like entourage was a big massive turning point you know my football career but now i'm like i'm doing like there's always these these moments and

for you i feel like when you met that guy and eventually lost all the money the cartel that was a massive

like turning point for you not not in a great way you're like whole it had to switch your whole yeah now it's different but now you're like, I owe these motherfuckers money.

It wasn't like getting cut from the volleyball team. For sure.
You know, you're like, okay, this one hurts. Right?

Like, that's because you probably, I mean, what's your immediate, I mean, you do touch on it. I think it's fascinating.

What's your immediate reaction when you're like, holy shit, I'm in debt this amount of money to the cartel and I have to figure out how to get it back or I'm going to die.

I mean, you just, now you're in like

panic mode.

You thought I was doing a lot of blow. Then now I'm popping oxycontinents.
Now I'm talking bike and

PHB. I'm now like, okay, I don't care if I die at this point.
Like, right. Like, it's like, you're so stressed.
I remember I was dating a girl and she goes, what's wrong with you?

And I couldn't tell her that I owed, you know, $3.2 million to the cartel. How do you say that?

You know, and I remember, you know, I wrote a note and put it in the sock drawer when I had to go meet El Hefe, you know, and we'll save some of it for the people that want to watch the doc.

Yeah, I remember, I remember going to see that meeting and just, I'm dead, right? You think you're going to die. And

when you find out you're not dead,

you find out that, okay, you don't owe us 3.2. Now you owe us 4 million.
And guess what? But you're like reborn in the moment.

Because I felt like I owe another life. Yeah, you said.

But now you work for the cartel full-time. And I'm like, oh, wow.

But I remember walking out of that meeting in Mexico, drinking a margarita and like, fuck, at least I'm alive, right? Like, I'm alive.

And now let's put my business mind and figure out how the fuck I'm going to do this. And that's what I did.
And I got creative. Well, I got real creative.
You guys saw it.

I saw this part on the plane. I keep referring to like the stressed nail body.
I could point to the exact moment. Cause sometimes every now and then I have dreams.

I'll have like a bad dream that I never left Brooklyn and I got involved in some shit and people are after me. And I'll wake up like, oh man, that's like my worst nightmare.

You're, they do a good job in the dock of like

doing the, well, as I'm saying in the dock, like, I don't know if those are the exact messages you were getting, but there was like one message from El Heaven that just said like TikTok. Yeah.

And I, for me, when I saw that, I got so much anxiety for you because, like, that's, that's a different TikTok than,

you know, that's a survival. It's just like you're, you're on the clock.
It's not like you're on the clock on draft day waiting to make your next pick.

You're on the clock probably for your life at that point. Yeah.
And it's a bummer, right? It scared shit out of me, honestly. Yeah.
I remember it. I could only imagine what you were doing.

You remember looking at the phone. It says it's time, right? That's the TikTok.
You're like, oh boy, here we go. But it's a bummer.
I tell people, man, I wish I I would have lost that 3.2 million.

You know, like, I would have had so much fun losing it.

You could have been even losing it.

You know what I say all the time when I had when those pictures came out of me at a calling, I got totally screwed. I'm like, fuck, man, people think I had a rage.

I would have had a fucking full-blown

or I would have just been going. I mean, I would have known.
You had just like a fun night that was cool. And instead of that.
You had a low-key night that ended up being the biggest story.

You should have had a blowout. You just said, like, I think this is fascinating.
And I would love to hear this shit because the way that you were moving stuff was fascinating.

What were some of the other kind of craziest payment methods or ways that you could do that? And maybe Aaron and Nadon. You want to leave the specific one, which is crazy out there.

You should check it out. Well, I used my USC networking and

people don't understand. Like, I got creative.
Yeah. You know, I got real creative.
I mean, I went to my best friend that played on the volleyball team.

who had a brother that was an accountant, you know, and that accountant helped me launder the money back into the U.S. You know, through different methods that we'll save for the viewers.

But I remember

reaching out to a fraternity brother, actually, he was SAE,

and

I knew his family was in the export-import business of candy, European chocolate. And I said to myself,

I need to figure out a way.

you know, to get now I'm trying to get cocaine now into Australia because you got to remember I owe the cartel. That's this 4 4 million.

So I remember going to them and I'm like, hey, do you, you guys still got that import-export business? Yeah, yeah, we bring chocolate in from Europe and then we distribute it through the U.S.

I'm like, then the light bulb went off. I'm like, okay.
That's a network. That's a network.
I said, this is what I'm going to do. I said, do you have expired chocolate?

He goes, we got pallets of expired chocolate. And I was like, okay, this is going to work.

I said, we were at a wedding and his wife was carrying a Chanel bag and you could just tell she was high maintenance.

High maintenance. She was a tennis player, by the way.

So

she, I was telling him like, man, I know your wife's running you through the fucking cleaner. I see her with the Chanel bag.
She's drinking that Classe Azul Ultra. Like, I know that.

I know, Matt's house.

I know. I know that's not cheap, buddy.
And he's like, yeah, don't remind me. I said, how would $50,000 cash every month sound? And his eyes went ding ding, right?

Like, how do you say no to that, right? Yeah. I said, I don't need you to do anything but give me that expired chocolate.
And then he's like,

no, no, no problem. So since you're buying expired chocolate for $50,000.
$50,000 pallets, two of them, right? And he knows nothing else, right? It's like an offer you can't refuse, really.

You want expired stuff that I can't sell? Sure. But you got to know, like, why do you want to buy it?

Well, that's the thing. I said, I'm going to come in at 6 p.m.
when all your employees are gone. I said, I'm going to come to the loading dock.
And I said, I don't want you there.

He goes, no, no, I'll be there. If I'm getting paid 50,000, I'm going to be there.
I said, you sure?

I'm like, that's on you, but I really don't want you to see this operation, right?

I'm such a pussy. Okay, I won't be, I won't be there, I'll be gone somewhere else.

And I remember uh getting the loading, a couple of my workers showed up in their minivan full full of these birds, right? We call them birds, the cocaine or bricks.

And uh, I said, You sure you still want to be here? And he's like, Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. What's up, man?

We pull off, so we start bringing suitcases of these birds, these

kilos of cocaine.

I'm like, last chance, buddy. You sure you want to stay here? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I gave him an eight ball. I'm like, here, because I already knew

he was craving some after seeing it all. Here you go.
Yeah, I was like, here, buddy. Here you go, doggy.
And he

finally sat down and he's just looking at this. I'm like, that palette, we got to start taking these boxes of chocolate off.
So we start picking literally boxes of chocolates off.

Like they're coming in cases of 24.

And he wants to help. I'm like, all right, take out 22 bars out of that one.
Take out 13 out of that one. Hey, telling my worker, hey, Rufus, take out 20 out of that one.

And now we have all these boxes of chocolates everywhere. I'm like, okay, now put a kilo in there, a kilo in there, a kilo in there.
Package that back up.

Okay, what box number is that? 13. I'm writing down 13.
That one, box 28. Boom.
72. Okay, boom.
I'm writing. I'm putting kilos in the chocolate.

I said, all right, Sharam wrap it. I said, that's going out tomorrow.
It's going to international DHL.

I said,

give me a billing slip and you're going to send that to this address. And I gave him the address.
And he's like, that's it. I get 50,000 for that.
I said, every month.

And I remember it was so well done that my people in Australia messaged me on that encrypted phone. They said, hey, boss,

I think the package got picked off. We can't find any of the cocaine in this chocolate.
I'm like, bullshit.

I have the numbers of the boxes. Box 13, box 72, box.
And they're like, look at that. They're looking.
They're like, holy shit, Bach. Boss, you figured it out, dude.

And that feeling was one of the best feelings.

In the documentary, you'll see that other feeling I had.

The other way. The other way.

Yeah, so when I did that, the second time, I was like, dude, I was like Superman.

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That was when you knew I'm going to pay these guys back, but I'm also now about to make it. Like, I'm in business.
Like, this is me. Like, this is my calling.
Yeah, this is my calling. Yeah.

So, because I want to stay on that feeling for a second, right? Because I think this a lot of times gets lost. Sorry.
With,

you know, you hear about some of these things and people must think like, wow, you must, you're like balls of steel. That's crazy.

But also at the end of it, it's volleyball, football, realistic, like you're great at something. It just so happens to be like something that most people are afraid of.
That feeling of like,

not that you're meant to do bad things, but like I could do anything. If I could do this,

I could run any business.

I could do anything. Cause look at this.
I'm solving a problem that most people, A, wouldn't have the balls to solve and B, just couldn't figure out because their emotions would get to them.

Their fear would get to them. You're solving a problem that I don't think many people could have solved in that scenario.

And yes, of course, it's. illegal and people may judge that, but at the end of the day, you're still, you must get that feeling of accomplishment, right? Like, holy fuck, look what I just did.
Yeah.

You know, it's, it's funny because I tell people, like, I was willing to do things most people weren't willing to do. And I had some big balls.

You never have to justify if you have big balls or not.

That's why I was so good at bringing that those drugs into Mexico because no fraternity kid that's parents are multi-millionaires is going to do that. You know, and

me bringing them

into the, you know, steroids to the athletes, those guys don't know where to go like like where would they even look you're not even thinking about steer widths at that time at that age so i'm willing to do something that no one's willing to do at the where we're at at the time at any point jerry jerry and i have talked about this a bunch as we were kind of getting ready for you to come in is when you pay off the cartel and that was like scary like you're every day you're like fuck i might die like i'm gonna pay him off and again we know the feeling that you had like this is now i'm invincible i can keep doing this Was there a feeling just to be like, I'm done, man?

Right. Like,

I just paid off the four mil.

They let you go pretty much. You're free from the cartel.
Um,

like, you're obviously like, maybe I'll just go back home and just like, man, that was too close of a call.

Obviously, it didn't. Hey, Maddie, I would be lying if I said that.
Uh, that was the feeling, man. With that, with that rush, man, yeah, you can't leave.

It was the ultimate. I explained it to someone, like, let me give you a million dollars of cash every day.
And then let me just say, okay, Maddie, let me take that back.

And all of a sudden, you're like, wait a minute,

what are you doing? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.
I need this.

Well, because also. You just can't.

Listen, I paid him back. And I'm like, okay, now it's my turn.
You're in profit. You're in profit.
Okay, now I'm in my profit.

Like, I just risked my life to get this guy paid back because some fucking asshole lost my money. Now it's my turn to shine.
And I was like, just. determined like, okay, now let me get back on top.

And yeah, you set this number, right? I remember 50 million was was the number. Like, okay,

I get to that number and I'm out. But I'm sure my boss said the same thing, right? Like, El Hefe definitely probably had a set number.
I don't know what that number would be.

How much money were you making a day? It was a million dollars a day. Well, that's what I asked too.

It's like, I'm sure at that point, too, you're making it so fast, but it's not like you're like, hey, let me get my IRA going. No, you can't.
Start a pet. You're just

spending as fast as

quick as you can make it. You're spending it.
And I tell people like, okay, you got to realize, yeah, I was making a million dollars a day, but there's so many things that people don't realize.

Okay, how are you going to get a million dollars back? That's what I mean. You have to get your own money.

How are you going to exchange the Australian currency? You need U.S. dollars to come back to America.
So guess what? That costs a fee.

Every little thing costs a fee. So like, oh, he's making a million dollars a day.

But by the time you're paying a courier after you're exchanging it and getting it here, then you're paying someone on the U.S. side.
You know,

there's fees, but don't get me wrong. I'm still making money.

But

it was a million dollars a day and it would go in spurts, right? You knew that we had you know 10 days to windows to work and then

you know eventually this thing came falling down but what did what were you buying back I mean you must have been buying everything and I remember I had you want it my thing was I'm not gonna lie Jerry I had this thing I love where no one says I'm not gonna lie

I don't think you've lied once dude

I had this thing Jerry where I had this like girls would like to date me right and I had this motto it was called build a babe and I would build a babe anything they they wanted.

You want tits, you want ass, you want teeth. And I used to have all these girlfriends that I would date.

And they would get their hermenez bags and the Chanel bags, but I would dial them in just how they wanted. Buy them anything, anything they wanted.
She did whatever. But I would dial them in.

I had all these babes, man. Like, just everywhere.
How many at a time? Are you just like, cheated? Like three, four at a time. In different areas.
In different area codes, different countries.

My favorite, you know, I had an office in Peru, a house in Costa Rica, an office in Costa Rica. I was building in Mexico, Brazil.
So I was there. I like the international life.
I like the Latinos.

I'm like Matt. You know, I like, I like my wife's kidman, yes.
Like a good Latina. They take care of their man and they're spicy.
Right. Yeah.

And so if I could have a Latina in Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Peru, like that, that was my life. You know, that was fun for me.
Taking a private jet to here, taking one there.

And the cost of living over there is so much less. Right.
Right. And when you're around these women, you could just give them a panel.
It's like cash. It's not like you're swiping a car.

You're just cash, you're the man. You got cash money.
You give them a pair of vans. They're happy over there.

You said like it crashed, right? It started crashing down. At what point did you know

that they were on to you, the FBI? And just

that's a good question. You know, I knew for a long time.
You did. Oh, yeah.
You've just sense it. But, you know, I.
The guy that lost the money started calling me.

I wanted to keep that through the movie. But once he's calling me and asking me questions, like, hey, you ready to launch some more money? I'm like, who talks like that on the phone? Like,

all right. That was weird.
All right.

I keep going back. Like, so, like, it's crazy because you've explained the rush and the high and the money and the life and all that.
And I guess, like, once you're in, it's hard. But, like,

like at that point, it's, it's, they're on to you. But at that point, you're like, well, shit, man, maybe I should stop.
It just

can't stop.

You already know they're there. You're already there.
So you're like, you already know you owe the cartel. I'm either going to go out with a bang or I'm going to go out.
I'm going to go out.

or I don't know.

There's no great ending for you. No, there's not a good ending, but I knew I had to pay the cartel back.
So I didn't care about these agents. Trust me, I saw them at.
Yeah, you did. I saw them.

I remember I was at

Mountain Gate and I saw these guys in the parking lot. And I was watching the car.
And then I remember I played my round and the same guys were still in there.

And then I remember I was a real estate. I was building real estate all over the South Bay.
And all these job sites I had going on, there was like a Verizon van. And

I'd call my private investigator that worked for me. I'm like, dude, this Verizon van's been here for like a week.
And I said, can you run the license plate? And he would run the license plate.

No hit. And he says, hey, this is a private plate.

And I'm like, okay, they're on me. But what could I do? Like, people are like, oh, you should stop.
What's that going to do? Like, then I still owe the cartel. Right.
You couldn't stop till you paid.

But even after you owe the cartel. Yeah.
But you got to remember, like, that was at that point. I was so deep into it.

I felt like I owed them too. Yeah.
You know, I tell people, like, dude, I owe those guys. They saved my life.
I was more, I was more valuable to them than being dead.

But I was like, dude, these guys didn't kill me. Most people in the cartel get killed.

So anybody that's like, oh, that's not true. Listen, I was valuable.
I was a fucking cocaine quarterback. I was a signal caller.
I called the shots for them. I was a logistics specialist.
Well,

the name of the doc, cocaine quarterback.

When

you touch on this, and this is well documented, everyone knows this, the raid on the golf course.

Fuck. What a fucking terrible feeling.

This is how you know, you know, you're being followed, and you know something's going to happen. I'll tell you why.

I just left Orange County, and I got in the carpool, and I'm late, right? I get, I get in the carpool. I'm just by myself.
You're not supposed to be in the carpool by yourself. Okay.

And I'm going like 120, right? Like, okay.

I'm passing cops. You're like, no one's supposed to be over.
I'm like, okay. This is easy.
This is easy, right? But I'm just trying to get down there and I get there early, right? And

I get to the parking lot and it's a 7.10 tea time.

You guys golf. Usually the golf course always has people like from 6 a.m.
till you know. It's loaded, especially like a club like that with a lot of members.
A lot of members

loaded. So I'm like, okay, I get there and there's no one there, dude.
I was like, fuck, dude. There's like one F-350 and there's like seven gardeners in that truck.
I'm like,

if if you know that core, like, that's it.

I was like, dude, I'm turning around, and I was like, you know what, I'm going to go to McDonald's. And

I tell it really well in the book, but you'll obviously see in the docket. I go back to McDonald's, I get an egg muffin, and I get

the egg white McMuffin, a coffee, and an orange juice, right? But I think back to the night before, El Hefe said,

because he knew I was meeting these people.

Yeah, what do you call it? A new

opportunity. A money laundering opportunity, let's just just say.
And he knew that I was meeting this group. And he's like, no one's going to take you golf and launder money for you and this and that.

He goes, you're going to be in a six by eight prison cell

for the next 20 years. And he said that.
And I was like, dude,

the light bulb was off. Like, he's right, right?

And there's documentation on my discovery when they arrested me. They have a picture of that message from El Hefe that says, you're going to be in a six by eight cell for the next 20 years.

And so that morning when I was driving down, I was thinking about that message the whole time. So I knew that was coming, right? And I finally get to the McDonald's.
I'm eating and I was like, okay,

I'm going to finish this Eggma muffin. I'm going to take my encrypted phone, my cell phone, because if they're following me, they're definitely tracking that.

I'm going to write a huffed message. I'm coming to Mexico.
Get me a safe house. And I'm going to be done.

And then I remember, I said, you know what?

It's time to face the music, man. If it's meant to be, it's meant to be.
And I get a call on my cell phone. And this person that's supposed to be playing golf with me says, where you at?

I'm in the clubhouse. Waiting the TR.
Waiting, and I'm like, dude, we're still a half an hour early, right? Like, what are you stressing on? I'm like, I'll be right there, right?

And I remember getting back to that parking lot. And you knew this might be the day.
At this point, you're knowing that. I just, there was something off.
Yeah. You know, and still no cars.

I'm like, okay, this is weird.

And this is how I knew, Matt.

Pour my Porsche Panamara in. I jump out.
I pop the trunk. And here comes my caddy.
And my caddy's looking at me like, Mr. Hansen and shaking.

Terrified.

I said, where is everyone, man? He goes, I don't know. Like, you should know.
You're the caddy, right? And I remember I said, that dude's just there. Here's my clubs.
He's taking time for that. Yeah.

He's like,

takes the clubs. I remember going to my passenger seat where I have my man bag and $50,000 because I'm gambling.
I'm going to bet.

I grab that bag and I turn around in that Louis bag and all of a sudden, boom, boom, hands up.

And the money flies and my encrypted phones drop and 15 agents agents come out of the bushes there's a fbi helicopter above and they slap those metal cuffs jerry and i was like finally my life is over

but people are like is it over no i i i've misspoken it's not over my life's fine like i'm alive

All right. Thank you, everybody, to listening to part one of the Owen Hanson interview.
We thought that this was going to be the end.

The guy goes to prison, and it really is the halfway point of the story.

I mean, all all of the the cartel and all that it's absolutely crazy but what he does in prison and the day-to-day and the business and all of that is absolutely insane jerry it's unbelievable yeah so stay tuned next week we're coming back with part two of owen hanson and also again the documentary is up on amazon prime video now the cocaine quarterback check it out yeah and uh

I finally settled down at the start of the

week it took you yeah it took you about a week to be like are are you sure we're okay, dude? Are we okay? Like, your head was on a swivel walking into the studio. Still might be.
Still might be.

So, thank you, everybody, to listen. Again, follow us at Throwback Show on all social platforms.
And we'll see you next week for part two of Owen Hanson.