Owen Hanson details life in prison and his journey from a Narco to a different kind of ice cream man

I said Odog's a great dude who got into some, but he's a hustler, he's a grinder, survivor.

Matt, he knows I'm a hustler, man.

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Yeah, let's get it going.

Because today, Matt, we have part two of Owen Hansen.

How insane.

I mean, first of all, how insane last week just to kind of watch, just to listen, re-listen to it.

And then how many texts and stuff did you get from friends and people just like, dude, this is insane?

I got a lot of texts from my Brooklyn buddies that were like, this is like somebody we grew up with.

I'm like, yeah, because you guys used to get into some trouble too.

So yeah, you want to set up a little bit of part two for the audience?

Yeah, so he was finally arrested.

In his own words, remember he was relieved to finally kind of just end the

run.

A 20-year sentence was really just the beginning of his story because that's where his new life started, whether he was learning the rules of prison the hard way, which is crazy stories from prison, or using that same hustle and business mind that had him earning a million dollars a day to create new business opportunities, even behind bars, never stopped grinding, never stopped hustling.

Now he's free and his path here needs needs to be seen to be believed.

So here's Owen, part two.

And remember, be sure to check out his doc, Cocaine Quarterback on Prime Video out now.

Yeah, unbelievable.

He gets arrested and his words were, I'm relieved.

All right.

Let's get to part two, Owen Hansen.

A big part of, I think, still that people don't know is just what life was like in prison.

Obviously, it led to you this and the business and all that.

Which I'm excited to talk about because to talk about this, we got to talk about where you're at.

You talk about the cuffs, the relief which is crazy to think but the relief but then prison's no joke as you know and i don't know but that first day that moment you step in there um what what's what's that first day like for you when you walk into the prison knowing that you're going to be there for at the point was what 2021 21 years um 21 years man and you're 20 how old are you at this time 20 32 at the time 32.

it's uh you know that rush we had when we walked out of that coliseum and you're like what?

Yeah, okay, it's that rush, but opposite, like, you're fearing your life, yeah, like

your shot caller is telling you you have to put your boots on, you have to be up at 5:30 in the morning.

As soon as those doors crack at six, you're ready to go.

And a kid going to USC around you know this

silver spoon your whole life and growing up in the beach.

You know, I'm a surfer kid.

You get there and you're looking at these people around you, like, dude, I do not belong here.

You know, murders,

cartel bosses, Crips, bloods, Mexican mafia.

You know, the list goes on, Aryan brothers.

Like,

you're like, what am I doing here?

Like, I don't fit in.

But listen, I broke the law.

I belong to go to, I belong here.

I understand.

I, you know, I deserve this.

But it's, it's an eye-opener, right?

When you go to prison

and you're given, you know, a bone crusher and you don't even know what a bone crusher is.

He goes, you got a bone crusher.

You're going to take this.

This is going to be your spot where you keep it.

I'm like, dude, what am I going to do with this?

Like, this is for you if you go to war.

You know, you go to war.

If you see any whites fighting, you go grab your bone crusher and you're like, oh my gosh, what have I gotten myself into?

It's a whole different assignment than playing Titania.

No, it's not.

And like the thing, you weren't a fighter at all.

No, I'm a lover, man.

I tell girls I'm a big fighter.

You're a lover.

You were the ops.

Like, you were the brains and all that.

But I, yeah, that's got to be.

Did you, when you were in there, did you?

I guess you felt relief and at that point you didn't owe the cartel anything so you kind of that was like a clean break did you feel I mean you feared for your life naturally or did you fear like well shit I'm I've connected to so many people in this world like there's someone they're gonna come after me in here is that a feeling in there to be honest I knew when I was in pre-trial fighting my case I had a lot of like the members from the cartel the workers like the the the drivers and stuff they would come up to me and shake my hand and be like hey the boss sends love thanks for not telling so I stood strong, right?

And people don't understand that, right?

They think, wow, he's out.

He must have read it on the boss, right?

So you got to see the story to understand how it happened.

But that sense of relief, knowing that, okay, I'm good with these guys.

Like, I was like a folk hero in there.

You know, they wrote a Mexican Carrito song.

They're almost on your side if you need something to do.

You're like, dude, yeah, anything I needed.

I remember guys would come up to me, hey, if you ever want to work again, I'm like, dude, hi, I'm done, fellas.

They're like, come on, man, just one time.

I'm like, no, no, no, no.

Because you know how that

snowball is back in play.

I've had accountants for the same cartel I work for come to me and says, hey, we'll make you a million dollars a day again.

Come over.

I'm like, no, no, it's not happening.

And just prison, man, was just, it was an eye-opener.

My mental health was tough.

And, you know, you're...

You can only imagine what the thoughts are going through.

Especially like those first six months.

I mean, gosh, I get bed every day, but like.

Because at that point, you still don't know.

And then at some point, you know, you get the call that you can do this to get your sentence down, which we we'll talk about but like those first year months like what years right yeah my first selly was like 400 pounds and he was snoring like a bear like oh man how am i going to get through this you know like 400 pounds like just that little thing right there could ruin your whole time because you don't sleep the whole time now because you got to listen to him and then you can't go to sleep when he wakes up because you have to be with your boots on at 6 a.m when those doors open so it's like man i got to get out of here like how am i going to move like you know and you don't want to

with him and disrespect him because respect's a big thing in prison.

Like,

you can't even cut across a TV without, you know,

being having a problem.

You know, everything's like, excuse me, like, when you and I are walking, excuse me.

Even if you don't touch the guy or anything,

everybody's so on pins and needles.

How did you earn guys' respect early on?

You know what happened that, like, Vice and Rolling Stones started writing those articles about my story?

So they all knew then,

like, and then I'm starting to play sports sports in there.

I would hoop it up, you know, that I would, I'd be on the volleyball team.

You're a good athlete.

Yeah.

So then

value on the

chameleon.

You were a chameleon in jail, too.

They loved those guys.

Hey, come on, you're on the basketball team with us.

Oh, you play volleyball?

No way.

Yeah, do I ever?

Yeah, like these guys had no clue.

Well, yeah, let's talk about the chameleon part of

your life, which it could be one of your biggest attributes, right?

Like,

I feel like I'm walking out of this, getting to know you a little bit.

And if someone asked me, like, what's Owen like, I would say, in addition to just like your story, I'd be like, Owen to me seems like one of those guys you could drop him in like almost any situation and he's going to figure out a way to,

you know, like that's really what a chameleon is.

Like you could talk to anyone.

Yeah.

You could find a common thread with anyone and to survive the things that you survived.

I don't think you could not be a chameleon.

So now you're in this scenario, 6 a.m., boots on, ready to go.

You're tapping into that chameleon, sports and all that.

When do you start?

Again, I'm not going to say you start like enjoying your time, but when you start feeling like, all right, I'm managing this now.

Like I'm managing this scenario better than I was when I, the first six months, you know, you know, you, you learn, I'm going to tell you a funny story, just so since we're talking about chameleons, um, my, my, one of my partners on my indictment, who you saw on the, on the dock, was named Tank, and he was a crip.

He was a crip.

And he went to one of the prisons I went to.

And this was the beginning of the prison bid.

So I don't really know all the rules.

So I'm going to tank and he's obviously an African-American and I'm chopping it up with him.

And I'm like, dude, I got some chips and some salsa.

Let's let's chop it up.

And I started eating chips and salsa and one of the shop callers for the whites sees me eating food with the black.

He's like, what are you doing?

And in prison, that's a big, big no-no.

And they said, come on, you're going in the cell.

And two, two white guys beat me up for 23 seconds.

They timed it.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Just throwing bombs.

And you have to take it and you just take it.

You just take it.

And I'm like, what did I do wrong?

You don't eat with the blacks.

I said, man, I've been playing sports with blacks my whole life.

I've been, that's my codefendant.

Like, that's my dog.

Like, that's my ace deuce, my right hand.

He's been working for me for 20 years.

What do you mean?

I can't eat a chip and a salsa with him.

He goes, no, you're a person now.

You follow these rules.

That was a big eye-opener, right?

So I was like, man, this is tough.

And what are you going to do?

Go cry in your cell?

No, you just, you can't.

So you got to learn the rules for yourself when you go crying yourself.

You learn that

you're no longer that Superman that can do anything.

You have to follow these rules because you got to remember, these guys have nothing to live for.

They have life sentences.

They could stab you and not care.

What are they going to do?

Get another life sentence?

They don't care.

And that world in there is the only world they'll know for the rest of their life.

So they're so insane.

Power in that world, too, is like for them, it's the only chance they have to get it.

It's the only power they have.

What was the wildest thing you saw there?

Man, that you could that you could share.

I saw murders, yeah, dude.

It was vicious.

I didn't want to scare the audience, but it was vicious.

Yeah,

Mexican mafia put a hit on someone.

I was like, Holy smokes!

I knew, like, okay, I do not belong in this prison.

Like, you know, but it's vicious.

I remember one time these two, uh, two cellies they lived together, and the guards every 30 minutes they come and count to make sure everyone's in their cells.

And uh, it was when I was fighting my case in San Diego, and the guards take the flashlight and make sure you're in there sleeping.

And

all of a sudden, you hear them hit the deuces, and the deuces is like, all the cops are coming here.

And both these two guys were shot some heroin and both died overdosed.

Yeah.

One time at Victorville, which was another prison, I saw a guy hanging from the third floor with a sheet tied to his neck, like just vicious.

I do not, you know, you're like, oh man, this is this is brutal.

Get me out of here.

I got to get out of here.

I got to get out of here.

All right.

It's time for Fresh Take of the Week presented by Wendy's.

Wake up with Wendy's breakfast.

Matt, a lot of talk recently about rule changes, ties, overtime, even stuff with golf, with the envelope, and all, like, there's a lot of rules that need to go.

But if I were to make you.

sports commissioner for the day, what rule are you changing in any sport?

Well, there's a lot.

There's a lot.

First of all, in college football, I change the targeting rule.

I think it's, I think it's, I think it's necessary, but the consequences and all the nuances of it are just insane.

That's one.

Two, the defensive pass interference in the NFL.

I mean, a free 70 yards if you get a bit.

I just don't understand it.

And then

the last one,

look at the envelope thing was crazy.

And I know that was just specific to the Ryder Cup, but like, what?

Like, what?

I'm still, I still, I would love you to explain that to me, but I know he got a half a point for not basically just being injured.

But I think the big ones are in, there's some big ones in football that need to be changed.

Yeah, look, the Ryder Cup thing, this is always my point with sports.

Like, I love to stick to the way it was and honor the tradition, of course.

But the envelope thing with the Ryder Cup is honoring a tradition.

That's how they did it a hundred years ago when they started and they were trying to get the Americans to come play in Europe.

So they were doing the envelope thing because guys, I don't think we're showing up.

Right.

So

I applaud the tradition, but that's some of these traditions were made.

Rules are made.

It's like pitching.

Like baseball, baseball was like, okay, how do we make games faster?

Right.

The pitch count, right?

Stephen.

Changed everything.

Which was great.

I think it was awesome.

That was an awesome rule change that never existed.

Like, we need to be able to adapt to some of these rules.

It's 2025.

Like, I mean, and the tie in the NFL is, is a joke to me.

It's pretty, it's pretty.

Like, dude, it's a, like, it's the NFL.

It's the greatest sport in the world.

And we're fighting for a tie.

Like, I know they changed the overtime rule to give both teams a chance.

Like, you know, like, I, I understand that.

It ends in a tie.

Let's just go to college, man.

Let's just go do a couple two-point plays.

I mean, safety at this point.

Like, what are we talking about?

You know, like, what are we talking about?

So I have a rule.

Well, it's not really a rule.

Then I have a bunch of things.

But anyway, the rule, I want to change a rule in fantasy football, which is not a sport, but it is connected to a sport.

Okay.

Yeah.

You know, I want to get rid of kickers.

We're going to get rid of the kickers.

And then how what we're going to add to it is we're going to have a new point system for pass interference because my biggest pet peeve is when my receiver is dominating, but he's just getting PIs all down the field.

I think it should count for something.

I think

if he catches the ball, it counts.

Right, but there's some that are just like he was going to catch it, and it was such a blatant, like, if you draw four pass interferences, that like should count as something.

Don't you think that's an incredible feat?

Like, you are getting yards, like that's like 70 yards.

What would you, okay, yeah, what would you change in golf?

I want to know you golf, and I pitched this to Justin Thomas, and I will say this because now we all just watch the Ryder Ryder Cup, okay?

Think about the added layer of drama.

If we got rid of the honor system with the T-box, meaning if you won the hole, the previous hole, it's your T-box.

You go first.

I think it should be you in the hole, Matt.

You can now decide.

Do you want to go first?

Or maybe the wind just kicked up and maybe it's getting a little firmer out there and you're not sure about the club selection.

So you make the opponent go up.

I think that would add a great layer to match play.

Yeah, I mean, Justin liked it.

He liked that idea.

I don't know.

I just feel like

sometimes there's an, it just depends.

If there's an advantage to go first, if you strike the ball and you're there, then it puts pressure on the second.

There's also an advantage to sit back and see what you have to do.

But

I think it's a big advantage with golf with conditions.

Like if you're going to a bar three and it's windy and you could say, ah, well, let's just see what.

Yeah, and then in real time, you can make the decision.

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah.

I mean, again, like the honor, like, yeah.

That would be it.

But I think you're absolutely right with the NFL.

I think that's the biggest one, even more so than the envelope thing, the Ryder Cup.

Well, I want to, I mean, would you want to, would you want to see college football overtime rules in the NFL

after the first 10-minute period, just like we saw this past week?

I think so.

Like, no one wants to see a tie.

The NFL is clearly about offense at this point, right?

Offense puts butts in the seats.

It makes fantasy football and betting exciting.

So I just think that any way we could just add to overtime being smoother because also now too, you got with the Cowboys, like if they get one first down on the kickoff with the kickoff rules, they're basically in Aubrey's range for a field goal.

So I would like to see them do the college football.

I think that's a smart change.

Can we just say the kickers?

Legs this year.

I mean, guys are, guys are just making, I mean, guys have enough from 75 yards.

You're either making it from 65 or

making it from 31.

Yeah, it's unbelievable.

And some teams still don't have a kicker out there.

They still don't.

Some teams still haven't figured it out.

So shout outs to Wendy.

That's our fresh take.

Let's get back to Owen Hansen.

The thing that they do touch on in the dock a little bit, I feel like there's much more to the story is, you know, again, in chameleon form and being like a business.

That's why I think you could have really, I think no matter what world you ended up in, you were going to have success, right?

And you found success in an industry that's really like, no, like I said, no one really ever gets to the end without one of those two things happening.

But you, you kind of developed something in prison that was a business, right?

Like

Maddie knows I'm a hustler, man.

Yeah.

You are a hustler, baby.

I just thought you said, I said, O-Dog's

a great dude who got into some shit, but he's a hustler.

He's a grinder.

Survivor.

He's a survivor.

I'm definitely surviving.

Because in prison, I was like, okay,

you only only can spend $300 a month.

Like, I'm not, I don't feel good about asking my father, who

doesn't have an endless amount of money.

I'm not going to ask him.

I'm in prison.

It's like it's insulting.

So I'm like, okay, how am I going to figure out how to afford

my eating habits?

Because you can only spend $300.

You know, and it was just an accident.

I had so many little hustles in prison.

Like in the beginning, I had a store where you charge 30% markup and you sell like candy bars and you buy a candy bar for a dollar.

And then the next week you owe me a dollar thirty so like little little hustles like that i learned and the second one was um i was making pizzas in in lompak and i called it nice guy pizzeria and i would make these pizzas where i would take these tortillas you take three tortillas and you you make it like a like the circle and you put it on a a plate a round plate like a we actually use cardboard from for um toilet paper they give you the cardboard and you you cut it like a pizza dish actually make that's your

bottom yeah your tray and and i remember everyone was making pizzas, but I wanted something unique.

And I'm like, you know what?

Everybody that has their tray, I'm going to cover it with Solophane and I'm going to put their favorite football team on there.

And so I'd go to the library and I'd put like, if you're a Raiders fan, I'd put Raiders on your, on your dish.

So it was like customized to you.

And I offered a service.

I said, every Sunday I deliver a pizza for you and it's $40 a month.

And you get.

a pizza every Sunday for your football game.

So basically four pizzas with your football tea.

Yeah, and anything you want on them.

So, and then I, I, I said, you know what, i'm gonna start doing this stuff crust so i started putting cheese in the crust right and we don't have ovens and pee but you're using the same parts of your brain how are you making so how are you making people are like how do you cook it so that's the secret man that's the secret this is the hard part and i was the only one able to do this one um i had a job like you get a regular job working in the prison you have to it's mandatory so you have to have like a nine to five job in prison and i worked for this counselor and the counselor would like have me like drop off toilet paper get paper towels and put it in the bathroom bathroom.

I was like a janitor for him.

And Mr.

Floyd was his name.

And he said, Hansen, you know, anytime you need to use that microwave, go ahead.

You're a good worker.

So I was like, that's a binding.

I'm not sure if I can do it.

There's one microwave in the whole unit.

You have access.

And I have access.

I'm like, okay,

this is my calling.

So I start microwaving my pizzas because most people in prison, the pizza makers, they take their pizza, they put it in a plastic bag, and they put hot water on it.

It doesn't try to hot water.

It's just hot water.

It's mushy.

You get it.

You're like, soft.

So I was like, okay, I've got the microwave.

Holy shit.

So I started microwaving my pizzas.

First, I'd microwave the meats, the sausage, the pepperoni, so it's nice and crispy.

And then I would put it on the pizza and then I'd microwave that and I'd fill the stuff crust with cheese.

So I'd wrap the corners.

So now I had a stuff crust.

And then I would offer the stuff crust, all the meats, and this $50 a month, you know, this.

Guys must have been like whole, I can't pick it up.

Pizza makers were mad.

Oh,

the water pizza maker.

Yeah, the water pizza maker.

And my shop caller said, Hey, man, these guys are upset that I said, Well, listen, no problem.

Tell them to bring me their meat.

I said, Every bowl of meat they bring me, I'll charge them five dollars and I'll microwave their meat.

So these pizza makers were so happy because now

they have access to microwaves.

Yeah, I'm microwaving it and I'm bringing it back.

Obviously, they don't get the torch.

You still have your business.

I still have my business.

But you're helping me.

So now you're getting five bucks out of the business.

You're not putting them out of business.

You're not going to have to five bucks for two minutes of microwaving.

You're not putting them out of business.

And you're getting a little bit

chameleon.

Going from a million a day to making five bucks.

But I bet the rush in some ways is still the same because you're

the tension it caused.

The shop callers talked about this, about me doing this.

And they're like, dude, he can't be doing that.

He's taking it.

It's a problem.

It's a problem.

I'm like, dude, I'm going to fix that problem.

Because now I'm offering them their meats the same way I'm selling my meats.

So I resolved it.

I go to another prison.

I'm like, oh, dude, everyone's making prisons.

The pizzas.

Yeah, so I don't have my microwave.

My classification drops down because I'm behaving, right?

And now the next prison I go to, I'm like, man, what am I going to do here?

Everyone makes pizzas.

There's access to microwaves now.

I'm like, dude, that's not my hustle.

I'm like, hmm.

This girl that I was dating came and visited me and she was from Mexico.

And she's like, what are you doing there?

I was like, man, I'm trying to find a new hustle.

I don't know what to do.

I said, I used to make pizzas, but everyone makes pizzas.

She goes, why don't you make my family's ceviche that we used to have in Mazalon?

I'm like,

ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, dig.

No, I do.

When she said that, I said, wait a minute, that'd be a good idea.

How could I pull this off?

And I know the commissary sells mackerel and tuna.

Okay.

Okay.

At Christmas time, they'll sell you octopus and clams.

So let's just focus on mackerel and tuna.

My Sally works the kitchen, and he's the vegetable chopper.

Okay.

So he has access to onions.

You got a vegetable.

Jalapeno.

So I'm like, okay.

I said, I called her on the phone.

I said, can you come back next week?

She goes, what do you need?

I said, just come back.

I want to talk to you.

She comes back.

I said, give me that recipe.

So she tells me the recipe.

She goes, you need cilantro, you need two jalapenos, you need the red peppers, you need the onions, the bell pepper.

I'm like, okay, I'm just putting it all in my mind.

And I said, how do I cook the meat?

She goes, you take lemon juice and you let the fish

soak in the

taste away, a fishy taste.

So I remember I go to the commissary and I buy all these lemon squeezes.

They're like 90 cents.

And I'm squeezing all these lemons and mackerels and tunas.

I'm mixing and I'm putting all these lemons.

You look like ratatouille.

You're like a chef.

I'm putting in bags and I'm letting it sit.

And it's just sitting there.

And then I got my Selly, who's chopping up all the vegetables that he took out of the kitchen because he works for vegetable prep.

So now I'm chopping up all the vegetables and I line up these peanut butter jars.

I have like 10 of them lined up.

And so I put a vegetable scoop, fish scoop, vegetable scoop, fish scoop, right?

And then I'm shaking them up.

And the key is with ceviche, you need to let it sit overnight.

Right.

So then I go and I get this ice bucket.

I get, I get these, these mop buckets.

This mop bucket's going to come in handy.

Okay.

So then I get these mop buckets and I'm throwing my peanut butter jars with fish and vegetables and I'm letting it sit overnight, put a blanket on it.

So in the morning, I go to all these guys.

You got to remember, there's a lot of Mexicans in prison.

So I go to all these guys that I knew are going to want this.

And I'm like, hey guys, I got ceviche.

And they're like, you don't got ceviche.

Has anyone ever come up with ceviche?

Not in prison.

I don't think you can find anyone else who's ever done that.

Not a prison.

And I go, guys, I got ceviche.

And they're like, you don't have ceviche.

I said, dude, let me give you a chip.

And I gave one chip.

And they're like, oh my God, they told everybody, guys from Sinaloa, Michikon,

everybody.

They're all like coming around.

They're like, dude, we want it.

That's incredible.

I'm like $15.

Dude, the next week, I had all the same guys.

They're trying to prepay me.

No, we want two bottles, three bottles.

I'm like, dude, wait.

Now you got to fill these orders.

Yeah.

yeah i'm like man this is maybe this is not the business for me because it's not a quick you have to start to make

you got to smuggle stuff out of the kitchen and it's not a guarantee so i had to use my smuggling routes again you wouldn't believe it so i got dude i had it i had to figure out a way to bring the vegetables out because now my selly's like dude we're gonna we're gonna get hit they're starting to pat me down i said don't worry about it i said what we'll do is this we'll put an onion on you just one and we'll have johnny come right behind you so when they take your onion johnny will walk right by and he's always gonna diversion yeah the version just like we did in the drug game so in the drug game we'd send a guy over in the border with a you know five kilos of meth we don't care and then the next guy's coming through with a hundred birds of coke so like it's the same thing i'm like okay this is how we're gonna get him right when you walk just kind of like pretend like it's bulging out and he's like okay so he's like pretending some acting bombs like a mark because you want him stopped because there's only one

get stopped is he there's only one guard no they take the onion who cares right don't do that again yeah

you're gonna lose your job yeah and then johnny comes through with we have these back straps and we strap them up we got like 100 onions strapped to them salapenos bell peppers everything so now you have enough so now i have enough to fulfill the orders but it got stressful because then my house my my cell i'm just going to call it my house my cell started to get raided like hey man what are you doing all these yeah they're on me i'm like you know what this now you're bringing heat yeah this is not my hustle anymore like i'm done with the ceviche i was like

but i'm you know i'm still working out and so every day i would make a protein shake you know

how do you make a so you have you could that's stuff you could buy right like so you can buy protein shake on them on the commissary it's a dollar fifty and and every morning you get a uh a car a craton of milk okay it's like you one milk per customer and you got that one and you're saving that for your protein

every tuesdays and thursdays you get bananas okay so all right i'm like okay i'm gonna do this i'm gonna take my protein shake, my milk, my banana slices, get peanut butter from the car commissary, drizzle it up, shake it up.

I'm going to put them in my ice bucket, which is a mop bucket.

I'm working out.

Every day I get back from my workout, I drink a protein shake.

It was like my routine.

I tell people.

My body was in prison, but my mind was on the outside.

So I was at Equinox working out.

I was coming back now to the Earth Bar to have my protein shake.

Shout out to Earth Bar.

That's how my mentality was.

okay i can't wait to get to earth bar you know i finish my workout pull it out of the mop bucket and drink it fast forward one day the ice machine broke down i only had like that much ice left in my mop bucket like man i'm not going to be able to have my protein shake in my cell he goes dude just throw some salt on that he says salt and and

ice get get things colder i'm like man whatever so he takes salt we have these salt shakers and we just dump them on there i remember i go work out with my crew and i come back

and I grab it,

man,

your salt trick locked this thing up, man.

He goes, dude, just try it.

Maybe it'll taste good.

Maybe it'd be like ice cream.

And I opened it up.

I'm like, dude, this tastes like ice cream.

Oh my God.

I said, I just figured out my new hustle.

This is protein ice cream.

I said,

dude, I gotta, I gotta see if this is gonna work.

So I'm the next day, now my mind's like

breaking bad here.

I'm like, okay,

okay, I gotta get this.

Your mind is like, dude, it never shuts off.

Girls are looking at me after we're done having sex and like, are you okay?

I'm like, yeah, I'm just thinking about what I'm doing.

That was great, but I'm already

ready, but honey.

So I'm now, okay, my mind's turning because it doesn't stop.

And I'm like, okay,

I can fit seven peanut butter jars in there.

You know what?

I'm going to do a sample run.

So I do seven and I got three guys I work out with.

I'm going to say, hey, guys, after the workout, we're going to try something out.

A little R ⁇ D.

Boom.

I gave it to them.

Dude, what is this i said i sell ice cream they're like you sell ice cream i said no i don't sell it yet but i want to see if you guys like it yeah so they're eating like dude this is awesome i'm like are we just saying this because we're in prison like right you're like come on what is it really good and is it awesome on the outside yeah that's what you start thinking that's what my mind thinks right and uh i said do you think we could really sell this dude sell it for 15 bucks no one has ice cream And I'm like, 15 bucks?

No one's going to pay 15 bucks in prison.

I mean, Ben and Jerry's sells two scoops for seven bucks.

Who's going to pay 15 15 for prison ice cream?

They're like, dude, you're the only guy that makes it.

I said, all right, I'll try.

I remember the next day I made a batch, sold out.

Went right away.

Right away.

I was like, okay.

You probably get immediate feedback, right?

Right away.

I feel like in prison, it's not like because you have a unique check and reviews, you get instant feedback.

Dude, you have people offering you double.

Right.

And you're like, no, no, it's 15 bucks, but one per customer.

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And then I was telling you before Jerry before we went on I started to consult these these guys that are running the ticket there's bookies in there and I said hey your lines are off right here this minus three should be minus three and a half and I said your totals are on and I give them advice little advice little advice

free advice and I said but the advice isn't free it costs something they're like what does it cost I said I want you to buy my ice cream all of them I said this is how you're going to get your customers to gamble more money with you if they give them a hundred dollars a week you give them one ice cream so every customer that you have

a promotional gambling bet essentially so every customer and a hundred dollars in prison is a lot for a week that would be the equivalent to like ten thousand out in the street so he's got all these guys betting a hundred dollars a week to get that ice cream i'm like see how it worked for you right you're happy with your 15 purchase yeah and now i just said hey i'm not making ice cream for anybody on the compound anymore i'm gonna let this guy run his business so you only get the ice cream if you were betting through through this this person yeah

wow and that's what I did.

I said, I said, you know what, you just take it all.

This is your thing.

And that's what I started doing.

You know, I said, you know, I'm not going to go unit to unit.

Because I was, before I was hustling, I was going unit to unit, smuggling ice cream all over the place.

People were calling me the ice cream man.

Ice cream truck is ice cream truck is coming.

It was a different type of ice cream this time.

Drunk kingpin ice cream.

Yeah, that's a good ring.

From Narco to Palatero.

Spanish at Palatero's ice cream man, right?

So I remember, I said, hey, I told the guy that ran the ticket, I said, just buy them all.

And I remember one Super Bowl towards the end of my bid,

I was like,

he's like, dude, I think I'm going to need like 50 ice cream.

I'm like, dude, I'm going to make more money than the correction officers this week.

That's a big order.

Yeah,

that's an order.

That's what I did.

But everyone's like, dude, how about competition?

You know, I said, I stopped the competition.

They're like, how?

I said, I monopolize the salt.

Without the salt, you can't make the ice cream.

What's the process like that?

That was a tough negotiation, right?

So in facilities, which is like the people that take care of the actual prison, there's one inmate that helps.

And the inmate has access to like all the supplies, right?

And in the prison I was at, and it was in Colorado, if it snows, they take this stuff called rock salt and they throw it on the sidewalk to melt the ice.

Right.

It's for trade, so people don't.

So I knew he had rock salt because remember before I was buying those little ones, I'm like, this is taking me forever.

So I was like, okay, I need to get access to the rock salt.

He had like pound bags.

And we'll call him Juan.

I said, hey, Juan, I need those, the rock salt every week from you.

I need exclusivity with you.

Anybody tries to buy rock salt, don't, don't allow it.

I said, people are going to start asking you because they like my ice cream.

I said, $100 a month.

And I said, every time I make an ice cream, you get one.

He goes, okay, hey.

Done deal.

Yeah, done.

We shook hands on it.

And when you shake hands in prison,

all you got is your word and your balls.

So you don't break them for nobody.

So we shook hands.

He's like, you got it.

So people are coming to him trying to buy salt he goes no talk to talk to owen owen in unit a has it so they're coming to me hey let me buy some rock salt no problem peanut butter jar is 15 of rock salt well one peanut butter jar makes one ice cream so now i'm like okay go ahead and make your ice cream right but you're still paying me 15 bucks so i monopolize the salt game and i was like

they can't get mad i'm i'm selling them the salt yeah they're still able to make their ice cream they don't want to buy disrupting yeah i'm not disrupting and i learned that over time.

And I learned that over time from the pizza problem, right?

So now I knew how to make people happy.

And so once I monopolized it,

then my mind starts turning.

You know, now at this point in my prison bid, I'm writing this book, The California Kid.

I go back to school.

I get my master's degree.

Man, did it take a long time to get that?

I had to send.

letters to all these deans at all these schools and tell them I'm in prison.

I have my bachelor's from USC.

Finally, this university out of Santa Ana, California Coast University, accepted me into their business administration program.

Wow.

So now

it was great.

It took me four years to get, but it was awesome.

I was like, okay, now I need to put this business to use.

And that's when I started to build this brand inside prison.

And

when I was selling my ice cream in prison, I had a guy that would tool the peanut butter jars and it said Kingpin Creamery.

That was the name of my brand after my moniker, moniker right there was a kingpin so they're like kingpin creamery so all the cards were like oh there's kingpin creamery you know everyone knew me as like king brand yeah and then i got out

and i knew i was like i knew i had a niche i was like man i got a story and while i was in prison i i remember there was a russian guy that i did some time with and he he said hey i'm gonna buy a cell phone for five thousand dollars I said, $5,000.

He says, yeah.

I said, you know what?

I'm going to give you an ice cream a day anytime you want one.

And I said,

I see what's happening in the world.

Social media is blowing up.

My mind's already thinking about the real world.

I hear all these people I go on ESPN and watch, like, shoot, you're even on it with your social media, you know, all these things about social media.

Because you got to remember.

Now, you're cut off from it.

I was cut off from no idea.

I don't know.

So I'm like, okay, I need to get some content of me making this because I want to tell this story.

And I said, I'm going to give you 10% of any money I ever make with this video that you're going to provide me.

10%.

Wow.

I don't know where this video is going to go.

But if I have Instagram or whatever it is in the future and this video makes money, I said, you have my word.

And he's like, okay.

He shakes my hand.

And I would make ice cream.

And I said, okay, watch me making the ice cream.

And I would tell my story in there, like how I started it.

And he's filming it.

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To have have the wherewithal to even that, like you're, you're literally planning your next chapter.

I'm trying to, whatever the hell you're getting out of there.

Yeah.

You're ready.

And I, I haven't heard that I was going to say.

So you're making this,

you're just making this.

This is, I'm going to brand myself in jail for this for the next 10, 15 years.

I was thinking that was going to be my business.

I was like, my real business is like, okay, I'm going to sell the book and I'm going to figure out a way to sell ice cream.

So

your sentence gets cut short pretty significantly.

People know that.

bro should we have some ice cream though well no i was gonna say

that's gonna happen text them to bring in the well california ice protein yeah so the name of the company so people are like why don't you keep kingpin creamery there's some in the freezer oh yeah so yeah what

so obviously you knew the ice cream brand was kingpin creamery right i can't come to the the real world and be like hey you want to buy a kingpin creamery like First of all, I'm not a kingpin yet.

Right.

Because in order to become a kingpin, you got to sell a lot of ice cream, right?

So maybe later on.

Yeah, so maybe later on one day, I will

transfer it to that campaign.

But right now, Jerry, since the book was called The California Kid,

you know, people were calling me the California kid due to me going to Australia.

You'll hear about that in the documentary.

People are like, oh, there's the kid from California.

The Mexicans in the prison system would call me El Niño de California, which means California kid.

And all the people when you go to different prisons in different states, if you're from California, I was from California, be like, oh, the California kid.

That started being my moniker.

It wasn't O-Dog anymore.

Like California, because I was in prison in Australia, prison in Colorado.

So I was like, California kid.

That's the name of the book.

Okay, how do we connect the book, my story with my brand?

So when I got out, I'm like,

that's it.

California.

Not ice cream, because it's not ice cream.

Because in order to, no one knows this, but in order to have ice cream, you need to have over 10% of fat.

Otherwise, it's not considered.

Yeah.

So

Thank you.

So, I said to myself, Okay, I'm gonna call ice protein so it sounds healthy.

So, you know, right away, right?

It's not ice cream, yeah, which one you going.

So,

no, I want, oh, we need some of these because these are all different flavors.

So,

obviously, it's a protein ice cream.

And in order for someone to know it's protein ice cream, that's why I did the ice protein.

So, like, to make it simple for people, like, okay, you see this one,

it's shmore protein, right?

Shmore's flavors has uh

keto

marshmallows in there, gluten-free graham crackers.

This one's for all my ex-girlfriends.

It's called Have Your Cake and Eat It Too.

You know how many ex-girlfriends used to tell me that you want your current

good.

So this is for you, ladies, okay?

So that's a birthday cake flavor.

This one's for Maddie and I, Coliseum Cookies and Cream, named after it right there

where we played.

You have to have that.

It goes good with cookies and cream.

And this one's for our buddy Swoll.

He's coming.

So

we had a teammate that was named brandon hancock and we used to call him swole

but listen people don't realize that brandon hancock's a ride or die friend yeah yeah yeah that man visited me every month in federal i was gonna say that was your ride or die that was my boy and i said to myself when i was in prison i was like dude this dude like i would leave my my prison visits and i'd want to cry i'm like dude this came this guy came all the way

to call

to see me multiple times i'm like dude if i ever make it in in this ice cream game I'm going to name a flavor off him.

So I was like, what a better way?

Strawberry?

Swole cake?

Because I can't say coffee.

Swole cake.

No, no, no.

Swole cake.

So now I want you to have that one because I want you to tell Swollcock that you had the swole cake.

I'm going to eat this.

I'm going gluten-free in honor of my wife.

Do you want your birthday cake?

Yeah.

You know what?

These days I don't get to have my cake and eat it too.

Swollcock's coming in right now, too.

Is he real?

Dude, we got another one if you want to put him here.

Amazon said it was cool.

he could sit here and eat one if you want to bring it well he's walking in um is he here i'm going in all right yeah starving so you yeah i'm gonna eat this whole so you all right so you get out so i get out man what a well like just what's that i'm living in the halfway house for 20 months man and it's still prison it's still considered prison okay

sorry guys

so there's no sugar brother that's made with monk fruit is that fire or what monk fruit monk fruit dude is that fire or what dude that's good dude i figured it out hit this after a workout dude that's what it it is.

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How many grams of a protein?

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Annie, I like that you're still rocking your Packers pride, your colors right there after one of the most bizarre ties of all time.

That was so stupid.

It felt like a loss for us.

Like, Cowboys fans think this is just the best thing ever.

I do not feel good whatsoever about this game.

Do you know what ties in the NFL?

It's so terrible.

Why I hate it so much is like, I like toward the end of the year, you go through all your playoff scenarios like week 16, 17.

Now we got to like fact, we have to do math now.

That one factor in like a tie.

That one to the end looks disgusting.

It's the worst thing ever as a sports fan.

I hate it.

Now, you have to go like

nine or let's say eight, eight,

one.

Yeah.

11-5 and one.

Yeah.

That looks awful.

It was an interesting week before we get to our twisted trivia.

I mean, I'm happy that I don't think my Giants are any longer the worst team.

You're feeling really good.

Yeah.

That's debatable.

Well, what I want to ask you two scholars of the NFL, who's the worst team in the NFL right now?

Got to be the Titans.

Got to be the Titans.

However, however, the Monday night slate made me question things because the Jets are are back on their Jets

BS.

The Jets are Jetson, right?

The Jets are Jetson right now.

And Aaron Glenn, oh, man, not dancing on the sideline anymore.

Let me tell you.

The Jets are 0-4.

The Titans are 0-4.

And the New Orleans Saints are 0-4.

We thought Miami was down there, too, and the Saints.

Miami's 1-3.

The Giants are 1-3.

The Giants and the Saints play this week for the Toilet Bowl, probably,

at some point

i i actually what would you say yeah what would you guys say i would probably say the titans the titans are just bad i think it's because there's no hope like brian callahan's probably the worst coach in the nfl right now should never have been hit you have the number one pick like look about this think about this you have the number one pick in the draft who cam ward is a stud i believe i think he's a stud i do yeah very

little conversation about cam ward ever since he's been drafted started week one just going through the grind jackson dart gets a start and they win.

And all of a sudden, the Giants are like him and Dayball are hugging after the game.

Saved his job.

There's just a different energy.

There's a different energy with the two first-round draft picks.

I just think that's a product, too, of just the Titans have just been bad for a long time.

I agree with you, Annie.

I think anytime you're a star, number one overall pick in this post-game presser says we're we asked.

I mean, I think you think we should believe.

By the way, I love that about Cam Ward.

Oh, for sure.

Because I do terrible.

And the Jets, the Jets have more talent than the Titans.

They're just self-imploding, which, again, is not surprising.

Matt, before we start Twisted Trivia, how are we feeling about, I mean, your boy, your coach, Pete Carroll?

What's going on?

Well, look, they're one and three.

I mean, they got a kick blocked last week.

I mean, they should have won the game, right?

That's how that game ended.

The Bears are never on the right end of that.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you're a block kick away from being two and two, and you're right there.

I would just say this: the Raiders' roster isn't good.

Like, they don't have a good, they don't have a good roster.

Yeah, they're just like, that wasn't

Pete.

I love Pete, and I do think Pete will have them fight and compete, which they have.

But they have Max Crosby, who's a beast.

I think Genti finally had a great game.

Their roster isn't like their roster, their roster is a mid to below mid

roster in the NFL.

So, like, I don't expect much out of the Raiders.

I didn't have them winning a division like some people or whatever, like, before the season.

To quote Cam Ward, Gino Smith is ass.

I mean, Brock Bowers is, they don't have an O-line.

They have no, no playmakers on the outside.

Yeah.

I forgot, too, that Pete hired his son.

He's the O-line coach in his BC.

Not doing too.

Not doing that.

Listen, you need guys.

You need guys.

They can turn it around.

It's an easy division.

I like that Annie said, like, their O-line is bad.

Like, she ate like a bad meal.

Like, oh, don't go to that restaurant.

Food's terrible.

O-line, terrible.

Would not recommend.

Do not watch on Sunday.

Let's get this.

I got my Twisted T4 baby.

Let's get to some Twisted trivia.

I think I got back on the board last week a little bit.

So

first question, who won, speaking of overtime, who won the last double overtime game?

This is a tough one because this is.

I mean,

this is.

I don't think so.

It was a regular show.

Double overtime?

The last double overtime game.

Yeah.

The it was, I thought it was the Giants.

It was a while ago.

No, but it was.

Let me tell you the year, maybe?

Wait, what'd you say?

Cardinals.

Nope.

It's not the Giants.

It was in 2013.

It was a while ago.

2013.

That was the last

double overtime game.

Nope.

Nope, but you're close, Jerry, with Steelers.

Bengals.

Nope.

Ravens.

Yep.

Ravens.

Yeah.

I shouldn't even have a channel.

All right.

Over the Broncos.

I don't know.

That was wild.

It was a while ago.

Okay.

Question number two.

Who had the most catches in a single season ever?

Brandon Marshall?

Nope.

Antonio Brown.

Nope.

Good guess.

Most catches in a single season.

Not Cooper Cup, not Brandon Marshall.

Ever.

I would say think more of the quarterback.

That would be

Wes Walko.

Marvin Harrison.

Nope.

Good guess.

Reggie Wayne.

Nope.

It was in 2019.

I don't know if that helps at all.

2019.

Most catches.

In the regular season?

Yep.

Second season ever.

2019.

It was the year before

the quarterback

stopped playing.

I think it's the Saints, right?

Is it Breeze?

Yeah.

So Marcus Colston?

No.

No, no, no.

It's

you know the guy.

He's

Michael.

Michael Thomas.

Yeah.

Michael Thomas.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

I won.

No, you didn't.

You got to name the name.

You said Colston, bro.

By the way,

at least I had the team, right?

Marcus Colston.

That was great teamwork of Jerry to give Matt.

So I feed him the first name and he gets credit.

That's how it works.

Yeah, buddy.

Thank you.

There's no ties around here.

He would have never got Michael Thomas.

Yes, I wouldn't have to do that.

What college did he go to, Jerry?

Of course I would have known Michael Thomas.

That was a great poll, actually.

That was really well known.

This is his coach.

What year was he there?

Oh,

your guy.

Yeah.

I love Michael Thomas.

Injuries killed that.

His career.

Okay.

Who had the most career touchdowns ever?

Who has the most career touchdowns ever?

Jesus.

I feel like this is a

quarterback.

It's not quarterback.

Nope.

We're not going, so it's running back.

Most career touchdowns ever.

Tomlinson?

Nope.

Jerry Rice?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jerry Rice.

208.

208.

All right.

We're back.

We're back.

Question number four.

Which quarterback has the most career wins as a starter?

Tom Brady.

Manning.

Tom Brady.

Yep.

I thought that was too obvious.

That was too obvious.

By the way, 3-1.

That's already a dub for me.

I'll set up this last question for you.

Obvious.

Actually, you know what?

Let me throw a haymaker in there.

So let's go.

Okay, last question.

Who is the only player to win NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP in the same season more than once?

Well, it's

we're not going to do Tom Brady twice, so it's not him.

Mahomes?

Yeah.

Mahomes.

Yep.

In 2022 and 2024.

All right.

Respectable.

I still will argue that Michael Thomas won.

I feel like that's a half.

It's not my fault.

Okay, Michael?

Is it Michael Irvin?

Is it Michael Crabtree?

Is it who I think?

That's true.

Come on, dude.

I could tell you who it's not.

It's not Marcus Colston.

He still played for the same team.

I was just spitballing.

I was spitballing receivers that he threw to.

Marcus Colson, by the way, was a baller.

Joe Horn.

I was waiting.

Joe Horn would have been my next guest.

Michael is a very common name.

So I'll give that one to Matt.

That was good.

That was a good point, guys.

Well done.

Yeah, that was a good one.

Great question.

Jenny, where are you watching this weekend?

Probably from the comfort of my my apartment.

See, the issue is

I know my neighbor over here and she knows what I do.

So she's okay with the screaming and yelling that goes on.

The neighbor over there, though, don't know that.

She got complaints?

No, not yet.

Oh.

She has said, like, is there, like, what do you do for work?

Because there's a lot of yelling that comes from there.

Yeah, you know, being a Packers fan, not great.

Isn't it fun?

And maybe we could cut this if we don't like it.

But like, my least favorite thing is, like, what do you do for work?

Like, then you got to sit there and be like, well, I'm, I'm, you know, a lot of things because you don't do one thing, you do a lot of things.

Right.

So I'm going to do that.

I usually just say, oh, I do, I'm a content creator.

Like, I do NFL content.

And then they go, what's that?

Depending on how old they are.

What's that?

Right.

Yeah.

I try to like undersell it too.

And then if they're like, oh, like, do you work with the, they always ask that, do you work with a team?

Do you work with the bears?

No, I don't work with the bears.

Does that look like I?

What would you, okay, last thing.

If you wanted to diffuse that whole conversation, like, hey, FCU, what what do you do what would be your like fake answer of a job oh

matt would go to you too because you gotta like it has to be on par you don't want any more questions after right right to end the conversation what do i usually say i'll uh i'd just be like oh i work in like tv

tv matt what would you say oh yeah

oh yeah i'm in real estate real estate i could buy matt i've said that before yeah just a real estate

yeah that's real estate i would just be like uh I'm a trainer.

I'm actually a bodybuilder.

Andy, good luck to your Packers.

Thanks, George.

I want a good t-shirt out of you every episode.

Now, you got the good Packers t-shirt.

I can't wait to see what you got.

That's a good one.

Try it.

Guys, it's a bye week for us, so we might still tie the bye week.

We'll see.

See how that goes.

Shout outs, Twisted T.

Matt, I'm coming for you next week.

All right, buddy.

Well, you know what's crazy, too, is like you did, like circling back to what you said earlier, right?

You became valuable

when you were doing the stuff on the outside.

Now you're on the inside and you're making protein ice cream, and you became valuable.

No one wants to mess with the dude who's like providing something that you just cannot get.

Like, that's right.

And no one created a value on the inside.

What did people have on the outside?

There's no one that makes protein ice cream.

Yeah, I've never seen a protein ice cream bar on any Target, Walmart, anywhere you go that's on a stick.

No, sure, they got like a protein pint or like a Yazoo.

Dude, this is good, by the way.

Oh my god.

And so monk fruit.

All right, so you get out and then this is I created this in the halfway.

So when they walked in months and months, I would go to ice cream makers and I would tell them my story.

They all wanted like $100,000 for R ⁇ D.

I'm like, dude, I just got out of prison right now.

I have 100 guys sitting around.

And they're like, dude, that's what it's going to cost.

I'm like, finally found this good family.

I brought this girl with me that spoke Spanish.

I said, speak Spanish to them.

They don't speak much much English.

I speak Spanish, but not good enough.

I said, make it genuine.

Make it feel like, look, this guy's telling a comeback story.

Like, be part of this.

Right.

I gave him a book.

I wrote it in Spanish saying, please, you know, give me an opportunity.

I won't let you down.

I said, if I paid the cartel back $4 million, I promise you, I'll make good to you.

Yeah.

In this group, this ice cream manufacturer, they believed in my story.

Wow.

And

they took it and they said, okay, what do you want to do?

I said, I want a healthy protein ice cream.

And dude, I would leave the halfway house every day at 5.30 in the morning, as earliest I could leave.

And I would get there and I would stay there till 6 p.m.

every day trying to figure out this recipe for fetch.

Make it healthy, but still taste good.

I had to go to a dairy where they had to make my dairy with monk fruit instead of most people use an ice cream, it's sugar cane.

Yep.

And then I had to figure out how to put the protein in it where it doesn't taste like chalk.

Right.

Which a lot of the protein bars are chalky and I was like, Man, how am I going to do all these things?

It literally took me 18 months to perfect this because the whole time I was in the halfway house, I was perfecting it.

So, this was your thing in the halfway house, but you were

good, man.

I can eat like five of these, no joke.

So,

these ones right here, these big ones, are meant for the gym.

So, I give you like a freezer at the gym and you can grab them on the go.

20 grams, these bags.

Those four packs right there, which is that box, I'm going to plan to sell those at like

a Gelson's or hopefully air one day.

Grocery stores where they can just grab the four pack.

It's a smaller bar.

15 grams of protein.

Okay.

So,

oh, he's going to be so stoked.

So the smaller one.

Jimmy, give him a mic and a camera.

Oh, yeah.

It's going to be Brandon's show next.

Yeah.

So

I was like, I got to...

I got to do the 15 gram smaller bar.

But now I've realized where it's at.

My mind just keeps racing again jerry i went from putting bad things on the streets to now healthy treats but with that being said i want to do something for kids yeah man because aren't you tired of you getting your wife buying johnny pops that has sugar water johnny pops johnny pops it's sugar water freezer right now they're sugar pops so guess what i'm gonna make a california kids version it's gonna be called cali kids it's gonna be half the size of this 10 grams of protein because kids need protein cold needs protein

and it's gonna be called cali kids do you know why i love that?

Something my wife and we have two boys and one on the way, right?

They're six and four young kids.

Um, something I just never understand why people do it.

Like, my kids go to taekwondo, they go to soccer when they go for their haircut, whatever it is.

A lot of these athletic things afterward, here's the lollipop, here's the

pot, whatever the copy, here's the sugar, Dorito, here's like you know, the sugary,

just junk, to be honest.

It's junk food.

Why are we taking kids who just did something athletic and are learning?

And then they know now, like, oh, if I finish this soccer game, I got a giant lollipop waiting for me.

And to the point, because we had to have that talk with our kids where after like Taekwondo one day, you're like, why can't I have the lollipop?

It's like, look, you could have that stuff, but you don't want to do that after you do something athletic.

Like, now he kind of gets it.

And he tells some of the other kids, like, you're making a bad choice.

I'm like, don't do that either.

But we always talk about it would be great.

Like, if you brought this to T-Ball after the kids sweat playing T-Works,

ice cream.

And like, yeah, we got

kids would go nuts.

For sure, right, Mark.

Massive.

Wouldn't it be massive?

Massive.

I think we're going to kill it.

So, because your kids would never, they think they're eating ice cream.

Before, before Diesel comes in, because that would be a lot of fun.

He got a lot of nickels.

He's got all sorts of nice things.

Oh, he doesn't.

Like, you're obviously doing great, man, and you've turned a pretty, I mean, Jerry said this, and I don't want to take his quote.

No, no, no.

It's literally, you have, like, this could be the greatest comeback story we've seen.

It's a great comeback story, right?

To take what you've learned, the shit you went through, the decisions you made that you got yourself into, but now you're turning into something good and you're making this and now you want to reach kids, which I think is great.

What is

What is your message to people, man?

Like, what, like, when you're, you, I know you want to talk to people and spread this because you have a story to tell.

Like, if you could, if you could give a message in 30 seconds and like, this is what I want to let people know like what to do what not to do how to live your life what is that you think

no matter what happens to you in life whether you hit rock bottom like I did

you lose your girlfriend your wife whatever it may be the message is you got to get up I tell people I was it was like for me it was like going in the ring with Mike Tyson right

You're going to get knocked down.

The FBI took me down.

The U.S.

government going against

took me down, right?

I tell people, you're in there with Tyson now

and he's gonna knock you down

but you either give up or you get up yeah and you make no excuse you got to get up

and there's two paths you can go you can be like that rabbit where you cut corners like I did or you can be like that turtle slow and steady and I tell people be the turtle yeah be the turtle slow and steady is going to win the race And that's my lesson to anybody out there.

Don't cut corners like I did

because you will end up as federal prisoner.

Hey, it's Lisa Leslie.

How did I get here?

I prepared for every game and for the years after.

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