Rudy Gay joins the show, Rick Pitino’s Rise at St. John’s & Shooter McGavin: Legendary Villain

Speaker 2 You came to the entourage movie premiere. You remember coming?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 I go through the red carpet. The first people I run into when I walk in is you and Wesley Matthews.

Speaker 2 You guys are talking about one of you dunked on the other, and the other person's swearing it wasn't on them.

Speaker 3 No, he didn't talk about me. I mean, I love you too, Wes.
Yeah, stay out there, bro. Don't, don't, don't get in, you know, into that thing.

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We're going to start doing mailbags. Maddie Ice, how are you doing today?

Speaker 1 I'm fired up, bro. I'm fired up.
I could fire if I could tell, dude. There's nothing better than just multiple cups of coffee before 8 a.m.

Speaker 1 when you're just fucking rocking, when you're ready to rock the day. I can see it in your face.
I can see the, I can see just it in your skin tone. I can just feel, you're ready to rock.

Speaker 2 We need a coffee sponsor because also rarely these days do you time the caffeine out where you peak. It's like a performance.

Speaker 2 It's like a PED where you're peeking right when you're about to go on the pod or do a live or go do a workout, whatever it is. I'm fucking peaking right now.

Speaker 2 People are going to think I'm on Adderall or something.

Speaker 1 I can tell. Well, listen, man,

Speaker 1 it's exciting. We had the week off last week, but a lot going on.
I know you have a lot going on because you're in a different place right now.

Speaker 1 For those that are going to be watching this, you are in a different place. But I do want to say something really quick before we get going.
Wife's birthday was this week. So shout out to Josie.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to even name her age. I was about to do that.
I'm like, wow, she might get pissed for that, even though you could look it up. But happy birthday to my wife.

Speaker 1 Also, my wife and my mom share the same birthday.

Speaker 1 Happy, heavenly birthday to my mother. She's been past for eight years now.
Isn't that crazy? I was thinking, like, my wife and my mom were born on the same day.

Speaker 1 They're very similar in a lot of ways as well. But,

Speaker 1 and we're just, we're in our own battle over here. I can get into that later.
But we're going to get into that. Let's see what you got going on.
Oh, dude.

Speaker 2 We're, we've raged war over here in our house there's war it's a it's a war zone over here but um i want to know where you're at what have you been doing man well real quick too before we jump into where i'm at i'm definitely in the place with a lot of sunshine coming up in a little bit uh joining us later today we got rudy gay on the show obviously we're going to talk about

Speaker 2 college basketball his run with ucon and then you know he wrote an amazing piece in the players tribute

Speaker 2 players tribune when he retired and then we just go deep on the nfl nfl nba so i I got NFL on the brain a little bit, which I did not expect to say.

Speaker 1 Rudy Gay is awesome though, man. I was a big fan of his.
He just retired. As you mentioned, he kind of wrote that piece last year.
Just retired, but played, what, like 17 years in the NBA,

Speaker 1 had a great career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's awesome, man, and also a big part of UConn back in the day and some of those great teams. But

Speaker 1 dude, first of all, shout out. Hold on.
Shout out to Aviator Nation, the hoodie that you're rocking. Look at you just step up your game.
No more black. This hoodie will come back.

Speaker 2 No more black hats. If you're watching this on YouTube, guys, if you're listening, I'm wearing a yellow and green and red Aviator Nation's hoodie.

Speaker 2 Let's just say Leinert had a big part in me wearing this hoodie. And there is a nice piece of content we have coming at some point this year.

Speaker 1 Father, it just made me think. So

Speaker 1 I'm such a West Coast guy. And so, and you're such an East Coast guy.
Like, it's like, not in just the way we both talk, but like, I think in our clothes and just how you carry yourself.

Speaker 1 There's just very different personalities. The other day, it's been raining almost every day, at least last week here.

Speaker 1 Look out. When it rains in L.A., get the rain drop.

Speaker 1 No, but this is typical me. I'm outside in pouring rain.
No joke, in the morning, dropping my boys off at school. I'm in a sweatshirt, shorts, and sandals.

Speaker 1 Just straight.

Speaker 1 And if one guy, one guy goes,

Speaker 1 no, one guy goes, hey, did you not, did you, he got, I him, he kind of gave me a smart ass. He's like, did you not get the memo, man? It was going to rain.
Sandals, that's aggressive.

Speaker 1 I just looked at, go, I don't even know what I said. I was like, yeah, dude, I got it, man.
And I was just rocking it. So Aviator Nation,

Speaker 1 very West, very, very beach, right? Very beach lifestyle, West Coast.

Speaker 1 That color looks good on you, man. And they kind of blew up.

Speaker 2 Not like during COVID, but I feel like something happened with Aviator Nation over COVID, right?

Speaker 2 I don't know if it timed out that way or it just happened to be during that time period.

Speaker 1 Maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2 They've been rocking for a while, but I just feel like I became more aware of them in the last few years. Anyway, this was not a cheap one.

Speaker 1 This was good on me. Shout out to Sinclair.
I think Sinclair bought this for me for a content piece.

Speaker 2 But I haven't worn it yet because I've been in a dreary gray Ohio. I feel like if I wear this, they think I'm doing construction or something.

Speaker 2 But I came down, I'm down in Florida right now, or as my wife calls it, Florida.

Speaker 1 We're from New York. We're going to say Florida, Florida.
Florida.

Speaker 2 You probably say Florida, right?

Speaker 1 I just say Florida. Yeah, Florida, right? One syllable.

Speaker 2 And I'm down here doing a few days on this

Speaker 1 Indy.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 Brie has an amazing way where she does a scouting report. If I have to go somewhere on a work trip, whether it's to shoot something or throw back something.

Speaker 1 She's not dumb, bro. Like, put it this way.

Speaker 2 When we go to Green Bay.

Speaker 2 to do a live show, she's not coming with the kids, right?

Speaker 2 If we go to Indianapolis for the WNBA All-Star Games, she's not coming with the kids but when i come to la or if i come down here to florida to shoot something oh next thing you know she's not down bro kids are down here we're renting a house with the pool and she's treating this like i'm doing a marvel movie i'm like you realize i'm not getting paid tons of money for this movie right you know that this is not something they put they they put you up for that though right Yeah, but like, I can't be like, you know, my wife and kids are going to come for the two-week shoot on this $3 million indie that I'm doing, which who knows if anyone's going to see it or not.

Speaker 2 Hopefully they do,

Speaker 2 which I could get cut out of very easily.

Speaker 1 You're going to have one viewer. I'll watch it for you, buddy.

Speaker 2 Well, it was fun, though, to be down here with the boys. We were down in like the Sarasota area.
Great. It's a spring training town.
The Orioles are here. Yankees are up in Tampa.

Speaker 2 I've been keeping track of the random jerseys.

Speaker 2 I saw walking around at this fish bar last night, I saw a Brady Anderson jersey.

Speaker 2 I did not think think i would see a brady anderson jersey who went from eight home runs to 52 the next year uh some great ones um i saw a good

Speaker 1 i used to run in a little brady anderson circle back in hollywood back in the day shout out to brady anderson stop you party that's pretty random who yeah oh yeah he brady had a house up in the hollywood hills um most random jersey you saw outside of brady anderson which is sort of random Brady was random.

Speaker 2 There was a Tony Gwynn. I'm like, the Padres aren't even,

Speaker 2 they're not even down here. I don't know why.
Shout out to that dude.

Speaker 1 may be the greatest hitter of all this year.

Speaker 2 I think it was the Pirates jersey. I think was Doug Drabeck.

Speaker 1 Anybody remember that name?

Speaker 2 I think there was a Doug Drebeck

Speaker 2 jersey. And I saw Ron Gant jersey.

Speaker 1 Remember Ron Gantt on the Braves? Jack Ron Gant. Ron Gantt outfield.
Yeah. He used to hit bombs.
Yeah. He played for the Reds.
It's been good. Yeah.
What's that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought he played for the Reds as well. I remember him with the Braves.

Speaker 1 Him and

Speaker 1 was Andrew Jones in that same outfield?

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was Gambler. Bron Games because they played the Yankees.

Speaker 2 No, I think it might have timed out that way. I think it might have timed out that way.

Speaker 2 And then while we're down here, of course, my older kid, Jacob, lost his first tooth, which was good for me because my younger son is three years old.

Speaker 2 I don't know if anyone on Instagram has ever seen pictures of him. He's missing his front tooth, which

Speaker 2 I was directly responsible. I essentially dropped him.

Speaker 1 You can pull that shit out accidentally.

Speaker 2 My younger kid, yeah. But so I don't know, you've had to handle the tooth fairy in your day.

Speaker 2 And if you're driving, any parents driving, listening to this, and if you have kids in the car, maybe pause for a minute.

Speaker 2 But obviously, my five-year-old got super excited for the tooth fairy, but then he starts asking questions like, dad, how did the tooth fairy know we were going to be in Florida?

Speaker 2 I'm like, tooth fairies always watch it. He goes,

Speaker 2 even when I'm in the shower, is the tooth fairy watch?

Speaker 1 Because I don't want the tooth fairy to see me naked.

Speaker 2 I'm like, well, no, the tooth fairy knows to give you privacy. He's going to be the kid.
I think I got like two more years left with this kid before he's like, Santa's bullshit.

Speaker 2 Let's just undo this, which means my younger son will probably.

Speaker 2 Did you care? Like when Cole stopped believing in that stuff? Did you even care? Or were you like, thank God?

Speaker 1 It's tough, man.

Speaker 1 It's a hit, right? It's a hit, dude. It's a gut punch.

Speaker 1 It's like the end of their adolescence. You know, it's like you just, the tooth fairy to me is just fucking whatever, dude.
I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 I mean, the kids get excited, but like, and like the Easter bunny for a while is one. Santa's Santa's the one where

Speaker 2 it just innocence is lost.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it just hits different. It's like, damn, like, because we, I, we, I mean, I had it with Cole.
Obviously, we have a long time, but uh, my brother is going there. My nephew turns 10 this week.

Speaker 1 And it's just, it's not, it's still there, but it's still kind of like, how, just how long can you keep playing it up?

Speaker 1 Playing it before, by the way, before friends say something, or someone else, you might have another family who doesn't believe in Santa and their kids are just out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so there's just a lot of stuff but yeah that one hits man tooth fairy i think it's i i i try to embrace the moments of that because the tooth fairy it's like that innocent conversation you'll remember and then in about six years when your boys become assholes to you and brie you're gonna be like i i i i i wish he would just believe in the tooth fairy i remember when you used to think the tooth fairy used to look at you naked yeah yeah so yeah that's fine i think it just softens the blow for the tooth like some kids are probably freaked out like oh a tooth is about to fall out of my mouth.

Speaker 2 So, I think someone created this tooth fairy with a gift or a dollar or whatever you leave. So, it like makes the

Speaker 1 tooth fairy. Uh, what does the tooth fairy bring in the Ferrara household?

Speaker 2 We, they're super into monster trucks, so he got one of his favorites, monster trucks.

Speaker 2 Uh, but no, for the first one, and after this, it's going to be like a buck.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. So, how do you explain the tooth fairy putting a monster truck under their pillow?

Speaker 2 Telling you, I cannot match wits with this kid, so I'm not even going to try.

Speaker 2 Because if I go, I just don't, if I go too far down an explanation, he'll, he's like, he's like an FBI agent when he interrogates me.

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Speaker 2 I got to get a few things off my chest before we get to Rudy. Number one, have you ever been to any March Madness games,

Speaker 2 women's or men's, or anything, or Final Four?

Speaker 1 Because I have.

Speaker 2 And I got a little unknown fact.

Speaker 1 So probably not as much as you. I went to USC Women's last year, Sweet, not Suite 16, round of 32.
They played Kansas.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was a go. I remember that game.

Speaker 1 So we were there.

Speaker 1 I'm actually going to the women's game next week.

Speaker 1 Obviously, they're going to win their first game, but they'll play, I think the 8-9, they'll play either Cal or Mississippi State, maybe I think is in the bracket.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go in a couple days to go see the girls because when girls, they get to host, which is pretty cool. I always think that's where they get to host.

Speaker 2 Coach was pretty fired up. We had, you know,

Speaker 2 she was fired up that they were the lowest ranked one seed, right?

Speaker 1 That pissed her off.

Speaker 1 And they're in the same bracket as UConn, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 And Paige Bett, I mean, that's going to be, I mean, they're going to be awesome. There's very few upsets in women's basketball.

Speaker 1 So those two teams are going to be on a collision course, which is going to be awesome. USC beat UConn earlier in the year, but that'll be a great game.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the Pump Brothers. I went to a game with the Pumps.
Got them. You don't know them? Google them.
Google them if you don't know them. Probably a decade ago,

Speaker 1 more than a decade ago, over at the old Anaheim Pond down in Anaheim.

Speaker 1 But that's it, though, man. That's it.
I love March Madness. I've never been to a Final Four, though.

Speaker 2 I went two years in a row.

Speaker 2 And then one year I saw Villanova

Speaker 2 their championship run.

Speaker 2 But what you don't realize is I went to the games in San Antonio, did the Riverwalk and all that.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 went to the Final Four games. I forget who Michigan was playing.

Speaker 2 And I forget who Villanova was playing. That's how long ago it was.
Or maybe they were even playing each other. But what I remember is we went for two games.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So you're there for six, seven hours. I'm not a big tailgate drink.

Speaker 2 Let's get hammered at the game guy, but for two games, but it's dry the final are you in a are you in a suite are you in the are you i was in the state i was like uh upper end of the first bowls like good seats wasn't too close wasn't too far middle dry seats to win dry because it's college it's dry no alcohol that doesn't make sense because college stadium football stadiums all serve alcohol most of them i was there and there was not a beer or a vodka soda to be found in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 And you're there for like seven hours. You watch the first game, break, watch the second game, just sweat, just nothing dry.
So that really stuck out. So

Speaker 2 go

Speaker 2 accordingly, if that's what your move is going to be. Maybe pass the

Speaker 1 Coliseum. I think the Coliseum went dry like a handful of years, a handful of years ago, and then they brought back the beer and stuff.
I'm like,

Speaker 1 what the fuck are you doing? You got 80,000 people in there and you're not going to serve alcohol. What a terrible business decision.

Speaker 2 Not to be total homer, but have you paid any attention to St. John's basketball this year or no? It's okay if you haven't.
It's a lot to take in.

Speaker 1 They also haven't been good.

Speaker 1 What are you now a St. John's fan?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 I am not bandwagon. Spike Lee's getting crushed because he went to the St.
John's games, probably the first St. John's game he's been to in 20 years.

Speaker 2 No, I am not claiming to be some St. Johnny's fan.

Speaker 1 I love Patino. I've always loved Patino.
Well, have you paid attention to Mike Rapoli from the body armor founder? This whole NIL world, right?

Speaker 1 because basically what he came out and he's a billionaire and just came out and he bashed the team three years ago or four years ago called him a disgrace or something like that and then he put his money up and he I think he was a big part of the how long has Patino been there how long has Patino been there do we know can we check that real quick is this year one I think this is year one okay so it's either one or two was it was it Mullen was Mullen the coach Mullen was the coach and I think Anderson or someone in between I did go to a game four years five years ago with Mullen there it was fun to watch they played Georgetown so I can see that conversation i can see that conversation basically patino gets hired he reaches out to to him

Speaker 1 and a couple years ago just said let's fix this and like i need 20 mil yeah

Speaker 1 i need i need phil night oregon some of these other uh you know uh kevin plank for under armor maryland like some of these big dogs meet with these coaches and just say give me this and we'll win and but

Speaker 1 i mean patino's a legend patino's one of the best college coaches of all time so um i'm gonna tell you what's gonna going to happen is. Tell me, please, because you know what? They are going to be.

Speaker 1 They are going to be. Well, no, I mean, look, the guy just said, basically, you have unlimited funds.
Go out and get the players that you want. You can get NIL deals.
That's what makes them now unique

Speaker 1 in the same probably boat as like a Duke or a Carolina or some of these traditional

Speaker 1 where

Speaker 1 you have big-time alumni that all they care about. Like all Kentucky, Kentucky football has done a good job, actually, but it's Kentucky basketball.
That's like what that is.

Speaker 1 So it's very similar now to st john's is they're going to get a lot of top players they're going to they're going to get one and dones but they're going to pay these guys millions of dollars and they're going to try to build these little college super teams like we've seen duke try to do a handful of years ago with zion and reddish and and rj barrett the kentucky teams um uh with calapari that's what's going to happen in st john's i think it's awesome because again it's like football there's more parity in the sport now of basketball with nil and now that you got a big dude like that who by the way we got they got home games at msg too how cool Like, you know, and they haven't won the biggest tournament in 25 years.

Speaker 2 So to see it happen again.

Speaker 1 Something about St. John's too, where like, I'm not a bandwagoner, but

Speaker 1 we've talked on the call this week, like Felipe Lopez, right? Felipe Lopez. I watched him in high school.
There's something about St. John's hoops.
It's like... It's kind of dope.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like back in the day, like

Speaker 1 Rhode Island, right? Was Rhode Island with Lamar Odom? Did Lamar go to Rhode Island? Yeah. And then Catino Mobley went to Rhode Island? Yes.
Is that right?

Speaker 1 So like, remember back in the day where they had a couple of years were like, oh, let's get in. Like St.
John's is more traditional powerhouse, I guess, than Rhode Island. But like,

Speaker 1 I'm excited to get on the bandwagon of St. John's.
Like, that's awesome. And that's all they got.
That's the thing. That's all they got.

Speaker 2 Micropoly, Queens guy, you know, started body armor. Obviously, he's got all the money in the world, but I feel like if I were a billionaire.

Speaker 2 Now, I don't have a school affiliation, but I would behave the way he's behaving. Go Google him because he's out there.

Speaker 2 It's it's not even like he's quietly going about it or said like, I'll give some, he's out there in the streets doing interviews, talking about it publicly.

Speaker 2 It's almost like, again, not like ownership in the NBA or something because he's not going to make profits. Although I do think this is good for his brand and his companies.
Like just

Speaker 1 being out.

Speaker 1 I've had conversations with people close to billionaires. And it's not just USC, other schools, and I won't name them that they've told me they're like, there's no, there's no ROI, right?

Speaker 1 Like, like, what am i like good for the brand maybe it's helping the school

Speaker 1 you're just you're basically just just you're just pulling it out you're flexing it and you're just saying this is what i can do i have i don't i don't need 20 million dollars because it's pennies to me it really is i get to help my school i get to be the face of now this and and and and a pseudo i mean he owns he's essentially going to own the team if that's what they're going to go out and pay kids like that's i mean that's his money he can give ni l deals to the whole freaking student athletes at st.

Speaker 1 john's and be totally fine. So I love it.
I don't know. I mean, that's why billionaires stay billionaires because they don't, they're cheap.
That's how we saw the owners in the NFL.

Speaker 1 But I love this, dude. I mean, I love guys like that.
It's like Bomber. It's like even Phil Knight.
It's just guys that love their team. They love their sport.

Speaker 1 Cuban, in a lot of ways, was kind of like just a vocal person who loves their sport. Now, three years ago, he hated them.
So

Speaker 2 he publicly called them out, but that's why I respect it. So last thing,

Speaker 2 I know you don't have anything. I'm just hypothetically,

Speaker 2 there's no way, right? There's zero because what I would have the hardest time doing if I had that kind of money, and say, I went to St.

Speaker 2 John's or I went to UCLA, I'm like, all right, here, here's here's 15 million. But can I point you in the direction of a few players I like? Like, zero say, zero.

Speaker 2 There's no rules against that, but just no coach or athletic director would tolerate that.

Speaker 1 But there's no rules in place.

Speaker 1 Just because you are a rec league all-star doesn't mean you have credibility in building a basketball team.

Speaker 2 No, I just, I just like to talk about sport. I just, I'm not even saying like, here's what I think you should do.
Can I be in on those talks? For sure.

Speaker 1 That, that happens. I know guys, I know big money people that donate to an NIL collective that

Speaker 1 at the very least, they want to know a vision of which the team is being built.

Speaker 1 How are we building this? What's the model?

Speaker 1 How are we going to win? Like, what is it going to take? Because a lot of people that are like this are just fans of their sport. They're fans of their school.
They're fans.

Speaker 1 So they are watching one, because their money's at play, but two, they, they're passionate about their program, whether it's football, basketball, bait, whatever it is, women's basketball, like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 So I, I do know that there's that, that there's that's, but that's also why now like coaches are putting like are hiring general managers. Now there's GMs in college now.
So now they take that.

Speaker 1 Those GMs now can deal with the money people. Right.
The coach now can just work on, I mean, recruiting, built, you're still building, but like you have GMs now that basically are dealing with all of

Speaker 1 that, the money people raising money, fundraising. But yeah, those people are in meetings.
They're in meetings about the vision.

Speaker 1 They want to know, like, hey, like, like, I'm giving you millions of dollars a year. What we're who are we going after? Like, and I'm sure that's whatever, but there's zero say for me.

Speaker 1 I'm getting them on the pod, man.

Speaker 2 I already have put feelers out there. I already am reaching out through a network of people.
I want them on the show because

Speaker 1 Queen's guy doing it. like that.
I got a lot of questions too. I just, it's such a fascinating world now, you know, and

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 Like someone, I don't know if you'd say like someone either turned the switch on or off, but it really was because even hearing like, you know, we have a fun episode coming up too, where we talked to a former college athlete who didn't go too deep on it.

Speaker 2 But now it's like all the guys even back in the day who you know were getting paid now could almost not come out and say everything, but could you just be like, Yeah, oh, yeah, I was good, we were fine.

Speaker 2 It's like

Speaker 2 it just happened one day, and now I don't even really remember life before, even like NCAA 26, the video games already collecting money to pay out to get ready for. So, uh, it's crazy, man.

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Speaker 2 So I know NFL is like free agency was,

Speaker 2 is kind of done.

Speaker 2 And I'm not trying to just talk giants here. They legitimately still don't have, they only have to.

Speaker 1 You don't have to preface every giant talk by saying I'm sorry. You can just do it, buddy.

Speaker 2 Well, I, I, as Twitter will tell you, I have. talked myself into some crazy shit.
I've talked myself into Aaron Rodgers. I've talked myself into Joe Milton, Shador.
I've done, I've done it all.

Speaker 2 And at the end of the day, I still don't have any clue who's going to be quarterbacking for this team next year.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, no one does. You have Aaron Rodgers.
I think Kirk Cousins is staying.

Speaker 2 Cousins, Jameis. And I love Jameis.
We talked to Jameis at the red carpet. I love him, but I still feel like as fun as Jameis would be

Speaker 2 seven-win T-way.

Speaker 2 If we're lucky.

Speaker 1 Shout out to my guy, Jackson Dart. He's going top 10 in a lot of drafts.
I mean, he'll be there for the Giants if they want. You're going to get one of the top three quarterbacks at number three.

Speaker 2 You can't take Jackson Dart at three.

Speaker 1 If it goes, what if it goes Tam Ward, Shadur, and now we get to the Giants at three?

Speaker 1 I have no clue. I'll put money right now that one of those two quarterbacks will fall to you.
Not fall. I mean, they'll be available at three.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 And then also, I don't know why everyone's so, like, if you.

Speaker 1 The question is, are you going to take? Are you going to take one of those two at three?

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know why everyone's like so mad.

Speaker 1 Again,

Speaker 2 like people say Aaron Rodgers is polarizing. I think it's everybody else who won't shut the F up about it.
Like, when's he going to make his decision?

Speaker 1 Who cares? Let him make it when he wants to make it. Also, or do you just, do you just sign

Speaker 1 Jameis or you, I mean, because he, Rogers is the enigma. I think Rogers goes to Pittsburgh, but you sign Jameis for a year and you see how many games you win.

Speaker 1 And then you, or you pseudo-tank and you will get Arch Manning next year, number one.

Speaker 2 I don't understand necessarily

Speaker 2 you know I tried to detach from like because I'm in Cleveland from the Deshaun Watson stuff and then I know he re-injured the Achilles all that but then

Speaker 2 just kind of popped up on my feed where he's showing workout video inspirational stuff and like great by the way great I hope he gets healthy I hope I don't

Speaker 2 got engaged like all that

Speaker 2 I just as a as a viewer from the outside, I would be in the witness protection program if i were to shaun watson you just wouldn't see any workout videos i wouldn't post anything about my personal life not saying like in a shameful way just in a like like i want all this attention off me i want to work on getting myself healthy again so i will come back and resurface publicly when i'm ready to contribute on the field so it just was i was a little shocked to see not shocked i was like well i just would be i would be quiet i'd be on the low i'm always i mean and especially as a quarterback you know i'm always i'm always rooting for these guys and of course um

Speaker 1 and really athlete like comeback stories second chances all of that stuff i'm just thinking about the last handful of years and you go back to deshaun when he was starting in houston and he was like i mean he was unbelievable yeah

Speaker 1 And I don't know, about three years ago, was that? Three years ago. And then you dealt with all the offfield stuff, obviously, which takes a toll and all that.

Speaker 1 And then the injuries and then just being in Cleveland where, I mean, gosh, some of these games, he's looked awful. And the vibes are tough town.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just like,

Speaker 1 I can't remember an athlete. And by the way, he's still, he's making, you know, 50 mill a year.
He's fine. But like, I can't remember an athlete just.

Speaker 1 having that type of career and then falling so fast.

Speaker 1 And like, because man, in sports, and you know this, like you're a sports fan, but like anything, like you start the minute stuff, like, it's like an avalanche, right?

Speaker 1 Once it rains, it starts pouring it just becomes this avalanche of just and negativity and that's just kind of what's surrounding him man and i just look i hope he gets healthy i hope he gets a sec another chance somewhere um to play because we know he has it we know he has it you know you don't just lose that but man like it's it's wild i look i'm i at the end of the day too like I would say this, the only thing I would combat to that is like at some point, like you do, you just got to live your life too.

Speaker 1 And you got to, you know, like he got engaged. I understand what you're saying, but like, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can't, when you're deshaun watson you can't hide from the media anyway he's not even gonna lock himself in a in a training room and like that you just go live your life and go try you know when you get another opportunity make the most of it yeah i've been there bro i've been there i've talked to about those hot tub pictures that shit i wasn't hiding for three months in palm springs i was

Speaker 1 one day we're gonna devote

Speaker 1 i didn't have 50 mil a year though so

Speaker 2 we're gonna devote an entire segment to the hot tub pictures one of these days uh i just want to take a quick second thank everyone who's listening or watching We've steady been in the top 10 on sports podcasts on Apple and Spotify.

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Speaker 2 Matt, I don't know, man. I'm clearing the decks here.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 Our house is infested with fleas, bro. What? Our dogs brought in fleas a couple weeks ago.
We've been battling these little bastards every day. My wife literally yesterday says,

Speaker 1 and I quote my little wife,

Speaker 1 she goes, these little fuckers want to rage war. I'm raging war.
That's literally what she said to me, dude. Also, it's a battle cry now.
It's

Speaker 1 a battle cry. It's a daily battle cry.
I just got a text from our nanny. Josie asked me to salt your mattress again.
So no bed lays for you until later.

Speaker 1 Crying emoji. She said she'll vacuum once she's home later since it needs to sit for a couple hours.

Speaker 1 We are salting our mattress now because apparently we went online and said, oh, you can salt your mattress. That kills them.
Dude, our dogs. Long story short, our dogs had fleas.

Speaker 1 We forgot to get a medication. So anybody listening, you get it, dude.
If you've had fleas, you know exactly where I'm coming from. We need help.

Speaker 1 Mailbags, send us help, send us whatever you can. Um, we can't, we, every couch is turned upside down.
We've thrown away multiple rugs.

Speaker 1 We have a very expensive rug in the front of our house that is the one that is probably that we just keep vacuuming or vacuum 19.

Speaker 2 China saved it. You're trying to spread it out.

Speaker 1 But we are number one, dude. We wake up, we're in the war zone of trenches all day.
Like, we are just like, what do we got?

Speaker 2 Like, these little bastards are like, do you feel like it's brought you and Josie closer together in the heat of battle or have you sometimes

Speaker 1 split up the business? Listen, man, the other night, the other night, no, the other night she goes, babe, I can't sleep in the bed. I'm like, I'm like, who gives a fuck, babe?

Speaker 1 If one fleas on you, you're going to be dead asleep. No one's going to care.
She just can't. She doesn't have that.
She doesn't have that.

Speaker 1 She doesn't have that foxhole mentality like I do, where I'll sleep with 100 fleas on me. I don't give a shit.
As long as I'm going to bed and I can't feel them, I'll go to bed. You face worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, God damn, dude, I face worse.
I feel like I'm camping right now.

Speaker 1 I've seen the hits.

Speaker 1 So she goes in the kids' room. So she's sleeping in the trundle bed with the kids, with the baby in the baby snoo.
So in our little boys' room, there's five people. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 you know, whatever you need me to do. She's like, babe, I'm not sleeping in our bed.
And I go, whatever.

Speaker 1 So two nights in a row, dude, I've been sleeping on our mattress with one time because every blanket. that we use, we have to re-wash.

Speaker 1 I'm sleeping on a little ass blanket on the mattress like I'm fucking in college, dude, with my pillow. I don't care.
I was like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 But that's the only difference between us is if they're on me at night, I really don't care, dude.

Speaker 2 I feel like that's a big, I finally got like an advantage on you at 5'6 and you're 6'5. I get a lot more out of a blanket than you do.
You need like a blanket.

Speaker 1 I just need like a little towel and I'm covered up. Has it, I mean, has anyone out there dealt with fleas in the house, bro? It is not fun, dude.
It's just, it's more annoying than anything.

Speaker 1 Cause I, I said, I told her, I said, babe, like, listen, man, it's not like they're fucking tarantulas, dude.

Speaker 2 It's not like they're not going to hurt.

Speaker 1 They're just little mental parts of it.

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Speaker 2 So, I want to ask you if you remember this. If you don't, it's fine.
You came to the Entourage movie premiere.

Speaker 1 You remember coming? Okay. In L.A.

Speaker 2 I, the first people, I go through the red carpet. The first people I run into when I walk in is you and Wesley Matthews.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I feel like I caught you guys, not arguing, but like, did you dunk on him or did he? You guys are talking about one of you dunked on the other and the other person's swearing it wasn't on them.

Speaker 3 I mean, he, that's the thing. Wes is like, when we see each other, like the competitiveness comes out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love Wes.

Speaker 3 He like he dunked around me.

Speaker 1 okay. Um, yeah, because it's hard to think he dunked on you, bro.
I love Wes, but he didn't.

Speaker 3 I mean, I love you too, Wes, but your thing is, you know, the

Speaker 1 hour, yeah, Wes can shoot, yeah, yeah, stay out there, bro.

Speaker 3 Don't, don't, don't get in, you know, into that paint.

Speaker 1 Did anyone ever ever dunk on you, like posterize you?

Speaker 3 Yes, yes, and it's out there, bro. Uh, and this guy actually was my teammate afterwards.
It was Travis Outlaw, and it was bad.

Speaker 1 Oh, Travis Outlaw, I remember him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was an athlete. Like

Speaker 1 he, yeah, it was bad.

Speaker 3 It was off a rebound.

Speaker 1 And did you see it coming?

Speaker 2 Did you think it was a risk or do you need to?

Speaker 3 No, I didn't have to. Like, he jumped and caught the rebound.
And I didn't think he can jump again that quick.

Speaker 3 Granted, I didn't give it my all. I just thought I was going to be able to block the shot.
And he, like,

Speaker 1 he's an athlete. In that moment, are you? I was, I mean, maybe I've been dunked on in like a rec hoop.
I've definitely been dunked on. For sure.
I play some high-level rec hoops over here.

Speaker 3 What's a dunk on? What is that?

Speaker 3 Like a blind side sack or something like that? What is that?

Speaker 1 Well, I would say...

Speaker 1 No, I would say, yeah, I would say, no, because a blind side sack.

Speaker 2 I think it's like what Saquon did to the best.

Speaker 1 I feel like

Speaker 1 getting posterized, or at least like you might have got, maybe he jumped over you, like a rebound, like getting posterized, actually trying to go up and block someone and then getting dunking on, I feel like has to be a real lonely place like when you're done.

Speaker 1 Like you're just like, damn, that was shit. because everyone's, cause you know it's, everyone's going to make fun of you.

Speaker 1 I always said this, like dropping, either dropping a snap from center in front of 100,000 people, which you'd be surprised happens, or

Speaker 1 getting your foot stepped on and tripping before you hand off a ball. It's like, especially in college, because once you're down, you're down.

Speaker 1 In the NFL, you can get back up, but you don't want to get back up because those motherfuckers are coming after you. I feel like that's probably the equivalent.
It's just a shitty place, man.

Speaker 1 You're like, it's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 It's a bad place.

Speaker 3 the the rule of thumb is get the ball out fast so you don't have a good picture they won't they can't get good pictures but in that instant it was it was like we were jumping together and it's just like he just

Speaker 2 and i'm like ah in the middle of the air you just got to protect yourself so it's like get the ball out quick let's forget about it i feel like i've seen some players make life choices about not getting dunked on um is that something like a coach will just chew you out for or is it like understood like okay i

Speaker 2 maybe back in the day, you should have tried to challenge and foul the guy, but, or is that like a coach has come back, like, why didn't you challenge the play?

Speaker 2 It's like, because John Morant would have just dunked on my head.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It depends on the coach.
Like, like, pop, when I've played for him, he was like, that's not competitive.

Speaker 1 Like, you have to, at least try. It's a good pop.

Speaker 3 What do you want me to do? But, um, you know, the older I get, the more it's like, I just foul them before they even get to the point where they're

Speaker 3 give them a little bump or something. Don't try to hurt them.

Speaker 1 Just, you know, swipe at the ball or something something just get out of the way did you ever play with rj in san antonio did you guys cross pass there no no no i'm like i'm like four years after him but i've heard a lot of people he might have been in golden state yeah well he's he's my guy we live we we're we've been boys for a long time uh play a little beach volleyball down here together and stuff he's he's hilarious man i just curious if you if you ever played with him he's an idiot man because he like when i was playing i was playing my last couple years he's like oh look at you the old guy i'm like bro you've been in my shoes why are you calling me old

Speaker 2 He's seen you on the Cavs, and he got a ring with the Cavs.

Speaker 1 He's like the little, he's like, like your step, like the little red-headed stepbrother that just like needles you and just like talks shit.

Speaker 1 Like you love him, but you're like, get the fuck out of here, RJ. Like,

Speaker 1 we're going to get him on the pod, too, but he's, that's my guy. I was curious.
I know he played for like 19 teams, so I figured maybe he

Speaker 1 crossed past it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. He still needles us Knicks fans too.

Speaker 1 Hey, now he's calling NBA Finals, though. He's doing it.

Speaker 1 He's doing his thing for sure. You were just recently back at UConn and I saw,

Speaker 1 first of all, it had to be a great experience. And I think you were with your boys.
What was,

Speaker 1 I mean, like just UConn hoops is just like, I mean, that's the pinnacle, obviously, in college. I was fortunate.

Speaker 1 I played it for a football, like school that was like just USC football was USC football. What was it like to be back?

Speaker 1 And like, what was it like to have your boys, now that you're kind of newly retired, have your boys back with you and experience that with them?

Speaker 3 It was unreal, man. I was talking to someone.
I was like, man, it's kind of

Speaker 3 emotional. I don't want to sound like a punk, but it was kind of emotional.

Speaker 3 You know, to be with your kids, like the place where it all started, like, you work so hard to get noticed by those kinds of schools, right? Like, the work that puts in.

Speaker 3 And like the kids, obviously, they live a different life. But that's one of those things where, and no, it's not even just them, like other family members.

Speaker 3 They don't understand the work that was put in. Right.
To me, at least getting to that point.

Speaker 3 And at that point, you know, i felt like i had a chance to be what now i did you know what i mean like at that point i've been being able to go to connecticut and getting a scholarship and playing and becoming an all-american was like okay

Speaker 3 this is that was the hard part like now just you know keep working i've set my my foundation now keep working and and get become a better pro and um

Speaker 3 to be able to walk those halls and

Speaker 1 you know walk around the campus with my kids it was like you know it was like full circle do they so when i when i was playing my oldest is 18 now but he was goodness gracious i know

Speaker 2 he just had a baby too like

Speaker 1 18 5 3 in five weeks dude i'm just oh man i'm

Speaker 1 tired um three boys three boys and i just got my baby girl and my oldest was a hooper too and i he has a question i have a question i have a no i appreciate you i have a question for you later on uh from him but uh yeah um no i just i remember playing and i retired young i retired at 30 you know i didn't play as long as i'd hoped but he doesn't remember much i think he was five or six when i was done and it's just it's just funny because like he doesn't really remember me as a football player but your boys how how old are your boys because your boys are old enough obviously they've been watching you play well they they don't remember me being me they remember they remember old they remember me how you know hobbling around that's what they remember my kids are 10 and 9 10 and 9 okay so for, I'm just curious, like the relationship, do they, because you had, you know, we want to get into your Players Tribune article, which I thought was really well done too, man.

Speaker 1 And like, do they understand at all? Are they able to grasp like you going back to UConn and walking them through the halls and what you were able to do to get there?

Speaker 1 And then having the great NBA career and playing for a long time that you did, do they, do they understand that? Or do they just, I always think it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 Like they view you as pops, like this is my dad. He was a hooper.
Or do they, can they, can they understand it at this age?

Speaker 3 No, I don't think so. And I think you, you can relate to this.
It's like they don't, they don't get it. It's like they

Speaker 3 know what

Speaker 1 people say to them when I'm around them. Like, or like highlights.
They can watch highlights.

Speaker 3 I mean, they see highlights, but they're not. I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 1 They probably say, like, yeah, you weren't that good, dad. You weren't that good.

Speaker 3 Funny story. I was playing 2K, which I never, well,

Speaker 3 I do.

Speaker 1 It's okay.

Speaker 2 As someone who ran the Knicks 2K League team, that's this is a friendly player. Come on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 So anyway, so

Speaker 3 I was playing and they had like some, you know, the all-time teams. And I was on one of them.
And

Speaker 3 I was looking at the starting lineup and I wasn't in it, one of the teams. I'm like,

Speaker 3 actually, no, we were playing with a current team. This is a couple years ago that I was playing with Utah.
Yep. And

Speaker 3 he didn't put me in the game.

Speaker 3 I was like, you're not going to put your dad in the game? He's like, no, dad.

Speaker 3 No, dad, you suck on this game. You're like an overall.

Speaker 1 You're an overall like 80.

Speaker 3 I'm like, dad, that sucks.

Speaker 1 Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, everything is predicated on your

Speaker 3 ranking in 2K now. So like, you're not ranked high.
They're not going to.

Speaker 1 I feel like I just started because, again, I'm a little different. My boy's older and he committed to play college football.

Speaker 1 And he still doesn't like, I keep telling him, I'm like, dude, like, like, I did play, man. I played at a high level.
I went through a lot of good, a lot of bad. Like,

Speaker 1 I went through it all. Like, I expect, like, you know, as a pro athlete, you go through everything, like, good and bad.

Speaker 1 And he's, and he's just starting to, to kind of turn the corner of like asking advice now at 18. I'm like, thank God, man.
Like, please let me know. Is he a quarterback? He's a QB, man.
He could slay.

Speaker 1 He was a, he was a, he was a big, uh, big hooper, too. Um, but he finally gave up basketball this year because he's, you know, he's getting recruited pretty, pretty heavily in football.

Speaker 2 Plus, I want to ask the both of you, Edward, your kids play hoops, right?

Speaker 2 And my kids are five and four. So it's like, they will not listen to a word I say about anything.

Speaker 2 But if a coach says, hey, so like, do you find that, I mean, now I'm just some scrub, like five foot six actor. You guys played at the highest level.

Speaker 2 Do your kids still not even take coaching advice from you?

Speaker 1 Like little things?

Speaker 3 I would say even taking it further. Like I have nephews that, uh, and nieces or nephews that play basketball too.
And, and they're walking around like, yeah, this coach told me I can do this.

Speaker 3 I can do that. I have to tell my nephew every day, like, stop listening to people, bro.

Speaker 3 Like, that does not matter. Like, shut up, go to class and play basketball.
And my kids, like, it's like I could have, like, I coached their, their team.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 therefore, they had to listen to me, but I would have my assistant coach talk to my son because he does not listen to me at all.

Speaker 3 You know, it doesn't listen to me at all.

Speaker 1 That's what I do. That's what I did.
I coached my son's flag football. I didn't coach hoops.

Speaker 1 I coached base baseball and flag football and man i had my coaches were like dude because i i wasn't like a yeller or screamer i definitely wasn't that but i was like you know i was trying to teach him and like dude you throw like why did you throw an interception this and that and god he would just blow me off and i would then it get then i get pissed and i'd be like

Speaker 1 so then i finally just said all right you think you know everything that and then and but they do they respond they respond to other guys the only time I don't even know why I just thought of this, but I have a sport court in the backyard and we were hooping.

Speaker 1 And the only, and he's, he's, and Rudy, you're going to get this too, man, when your boys get big because I'm sure they're going to be tall.

Speaker 1 They start to get, they start to get that age where they start to think they could take pops. And I was like, and I was like a pretty good basketball player.
Like I was a good athlete.

Speaker 1 And we're playing in the backyard and we and I almost almost fought my kid. This was at 50.
This was right after he's 18 now. He was probably 16 or 16.

Speaker 1 And I'm, I'm like, we almost threw blows in the backyard.

Speaker 1 Because he got to the age where then he started to be like, no, you like, you stuck. And you kind of call me names.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, you better watch yourself dude see that's where the competitiveness jumps so you're you're not there yet but you'll get like you you play your boys in the in the and you still got it and you'll still and then and then there will be a point if they become like their dad that they might be able to take you and that's a that talk about another lonely feeling feeling man i'm in the gym every day man yeah so they won't get you

Speaker 1 i'm just going to foul i'm just going to i'm a well that's the thing i can't guard my son i can't guard him i'll i'll i'll take him down low and be physical but he's big as shit now too so yeah

Speaker 1 dude yeah it's tough tough, man. Jerry, you'll get there.
I don't want to hurt him.

Speaker 3 That's what it is. Just got to put that fear in him.

Speaker 1 My kids can beat me now, so I don't really need to try that.

Speaker 2 But, you know, something fun that your kids, not fun, but like, I think about your path because I, you know, I grew up in Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 Players I watched in high school at the high school level is like Marbury, Felipe Lopez. Those were like the guys, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I always heard about.
Baltimore basketball in the high school level, right?

Speaker 2 What was it like for you? I mean, I just feel like it's one of the more competitive places you could play high school basketball.

Speaker 1 Am I wrong when I think that?

Speaker 2 Or maybe it's because like I remember hearing always Mello's name and your name coming out of Baltimore.

Speaker 1 Baltimore seemed crazy with high school basketball.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, yeah. It was like, what made it crazy is the type of type of city it is.
It's like, it's really, really, really

Speaker 3 back then was a rugged city. And,

Speaker 3 you know, you had to, had to, had to be competitive. Everything was competitive.

Speaker 3 It was always, no matter what, you compared to the next person.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, I came up after Mello. So it was like, you had to be this guy.
So like, you know, shout out to Mello, which, you know, our podcast, 7 p.m.

Speaker 1 7 p.m. in Brooklyn.
I love it, man. I love it.

Speaker 3 It was always so competitive. And, you know, you couldn't lack any day because, you know, as soon as you have a bad day, you know, you'll hear by the next day.
So it was always just competitive. And,

Speaker 3 you know, I appreciate that now because I'm super competitive. Now, we talk about with our kids, Matt, you talk about how you wanted to beat your son up.

Speaker 3 And I can see myself wanting to do that um but don't do it but yeah you could think

Speaker 3 at least don't say it out loud yeah exactly yeah it's it was always just like you have to be show up and show out every every time you step out there and um you know i i it's it's not too many cities like that actually i was born in brooklyn too funny you say i know i you know i i i caught that i i know like mellows route was like born in brooklyn moved to ball you you similar how long was that born and you were out of brooklyn quick or Yeah, so I was like a couple years in, but my dad still worked in New York.

Speaker 3 So like we still lived like between

Speaker 3 Harlem and Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like I would go back and forth.

Speaker 2 You had, look, I know you're from Baltimore, but you always did to me have like a New York vibe to you.

Speaker 1 I could just tell.

Speaker 1 I could just tell.

Speaker 3 There's just something about it, right?

Speaker 2 Well, I feel like the toughness you were talking about.

Speaker 2 And that's something even you mentioned in the Players Tribune article where like, you know, showing out for your city on the biggest stage meant something to you.

Speaker 2 And Matt and I were talking about this off the air. It's like, before you came on, it's like, okay,

Speaker 2 let's just think about some of the players Rudy probably had to guard because your physicality, your sixth now, right? I just feel like every night for you is like, all right, you're guarding Kobe.

Speaker 2 Tonight you're guarding LeBron. Maybe he'll throw you on D-Wade.
Maybe they're going to throw you on Mello. Like you,

Speaker 2 before this, like three and D, like, you, I just feel like you always had those matchups, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we didn't have, I didn't, especially in back in those days, it wasn't really too many days off.

Speaker 3 And it was hard for me as far as accolades it was tough because you know when i got into the league it was you know kevin

Speaker 3 kevin durant uh

Speaker 3 t-mac mellow t-mac band kobe ron artest was just a house down there it was like you saw that next day right you saw that next day uh i mean even playing some fours i'd play dirk yeah

Speaker 3 sometimes um

Speaker 3 You know, it was tough. It was really tough.
Lil Out Dang in the East.

Speaker 3 It was every every night with somebody you had to match up with, especially in that position.

Speaker 1 How nasty was, I mean, you named pretty much every Hall of Famer. How nasty was Dirk?

Speaker 3 Know what? The crazy part about it, he was one of my favorite players growing up. And

Speaker 3 when you guard him, you see why.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 it's like he's not fast. Like, especially when I first got into the league, he was mobile.

Speaker 3 So he could tell him, he would bring the ball up the court, knock down threes, and put you in the post and do everything, really control a game.

Speaker 3 You know, it was just, that's one of the best, in his prime, he's one of the best shows,

Speaker 3 you know, in the league for me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, we, you know, when you look at basketball today, obviously.

Speaker 3 every team's shooting so many threes and i know so many people always jokingly like blame steph for that but dirk really was the first big to really get those three-point attempts way up there man and it was like he never missed right it was like and he's shooting from like nine feet up man i don't even know how you block that man and he would never hit the rim it seemed like it would just be straight neck who was who was i mean who was the toughest like who was the toughest player you ever had to guard like just i mean all of those guys were great but who just gave you fits night in and night out i'd say mellow was one of them because he just always attacked you i kind of him and him and kobe in different ways like Kobe was um like tactical with what how he did things mellow was just physical

Speaker 3 right through your chest and whatever. And I kind of adapted

Speaker 3 both of them in my game a little bit as I got a little bit older. But like those two guys were tough.

Speaker 3 And as I got later in the league, it was KD being seven foot, being able to do what he's doing is insane.

Speaker 2 I can't believe KD's legit seven. I thought that was one of those myths of like guys just continually fluctuate.

Speaker 2 I feel like too with like Mellow and even Kobe, it's like, it's got to suck as a defender. It's like once they actually get the ball, you know, they're putting it up.

Speaker 1 Right. Like, so it's like, okay, I'm on.

Speaker 2 Like, you're not paying attention to any cut. Like, you know, they're putting it up.
So it's like, where is the danger going to come from? Like, are they going, where are they going to go?

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's the difference between like a LeBron or something like that. Right.
Because LeBron, he, he pretty much runs the whole show.

Speaker 3 um those two guys is like i'm going to score on you and you have to stop me you know so so that that that made it a little bit tougher i've i've asked some nba players this before because you know, I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 And you're so recently retired, like when like the JJ Reddick stuff, like he is not as recent as you, obviously, but, and now he's coaching. I just feel like that's such an advantage.

Speaker 2 Like if you were to get a coaching job tomorrow, you theoretically, you've played against 98% of this current roster. Like, do you feel like that would work for you as a coach?

Speaker 2 I feel like it works for, I mean, he's also a... highly intelligent basketball mind, but I just feel like knowing the current league is such an attribute for a coach.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is. It is.

Speaker 3 It's just, I think the outside of like that part is an advantage. I think the disadvantage is the respect from your

Speaker 3 assistants because they've been doing that for years. So

Speaker 3 that's the other, that's the other side of it. Now, JD's done a great job.

Speaker 3 He has a great basketball mind, as we've heard, you know, time and time again.

Speaker 3 on his podcast or or you know on on espn or was it i don't know what he was on maybe espn you know he's he's been doing great man i mean and to also it helps that you have lebron luca on your team let's not let's not yeah let's not remember when they weren't going to be able to figure that out rudy was like oh i don't know how that fits gonna be like that is that is coaching though like he he has found a way to make it work and um

Speaker 1 and that's that you gotta take your hat off to him i saw i saw a video the other day and and like i think he has scotty skiles who he played for in in orlando and he's got obviously a bit an nba staff that has a bunch of head coaching experience i think i saw a video of him what he's been doing there to your point rudy is he's really allowed every other coach.

Speaker 1 Like, I think he's, he takes all their input, which a great head coach takes input from all their coaches. And then you kind of, you know, you figure it out.

Speaker 1 But I think he's, he's been able to do that because of what you said. You guys got a lot of guys that have

Speaker 1 coached a lot of teams.

Speaker 1 You mentioned the podcast and

Speaker 1 you're on the pod with Mello and Jerry and I talk about this all the time.

Speaker 1 What's your thought on current players having podcasts? I mean, Draymond, Draymond was active active player. Like Draymond, which I personally love it because I'm a sports fan.
I love hoops.

Speaker 1 I love listening to like, you know, like from a player's perspective while they're actually in it. Micah Parsons has his in the NFL.
What is your thought on just that?

Speaker 1 Like, would you have ever done that? Or nah, I'm going to be.

Speaker 1 Maybe. I mean, I love it though.

Speaker 3 Me personally, I don't know what in my prime, I don't know if I would have done it, but I love it, though, because you get to hear from the source instead of somebody else's perception.

Speaker 3 And Matt, you understand. Yep.
And Jerry, you've been around enough sports to know like what they, what, you know, what, what is perceived outside of the sport is not always what happens.

Speaker 3 You never know.

Speaker 3 But, you know, Draymond is.

Speaker 3 He's doing his way.

Speaker 1 He's crazy, man. Maybe.
I'll say it. He's nuts.

Speaker 2 I always look at it like some of the things I've done over the years, whether it's an episode of Entrage or Power or a movie, where it's like, if things, sometimes things get criticized in a way in media.

Speaker 2 And I always was taught, like, you got to just accept it, even if it's bullshit, because don't get engaged in all that.

Speaker 2 But there always was a part of me that's like, well, if you only knew that this dude like stormed offset and this other dude didn't know his lines that day because he was out till six o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 Like if you didn't know a little bit of that, you might understand why that episode sucked. And I do feel like there's so much more just behind the scene.

Speaker 2 I feel like production, movie, TV sets, and sports franchises are aligned in that way where you're, for better or worse, you're a big family. And sometimes it's smooth sailing, and sometimes it's not.

Speaker 2 Even when all the talent is there, there's so much of the other stuff that could just take away from the fact that we should be making the Eastern Conference finals or the NBA finals, you know?

Speaker 3 Well, people,

Speaker 3 see, that's the thing about, that's also a bad part about media and social media is the fact that people have an opinion and they can, they can voice their opinion from their phones.

Speaker 3 Like, like you said, even about like you being on set, like I've heard of stories where like you have a scene and it may be zero below two degrees outside. And like, no, I'm not going to be into this

Speaker 3 scene like I should. It's cold as shit.
Or, you know, you're making it seem like you're in the summer, but you're in like,

Speaker 3 you know, the Hudson River or something like that during the winter.

Speaker 2 Like, like stuff like that that i i've heard that that's happened and like you never know like inside the court like inside the game like you may be nursing a a a sprained ankle and you just don't want to say it or you might have a migraine or something like that like stuff happens man like people don't expect us to be normal when you were talking when we were talking about like the the getting posterized you you kind of you showed yourself for a minute there because you were saying like you know inbound it quickly no one's catching it you have one of those unique things where you know you kind of probably vaguely remember playing your sport pre-social media.

Speaker 2 I remember being on the set of entourage where I had a line where I said, Vince, you have 2 million Twitter followers. And I had to ask what Twitter was.

Speaker 1 Like I remember having that line.

Speaker 2 I feel like even with the posterization, a fan's going to get it. Someone's going to get that.

Speaker 2 It's going to, and it's going to be instantly, it's going to, while the game's going on, we will be discussing on Twitter that you got posterized while you're still playing.

Speaker 3 It may be on someone's wall. It may be on Travis's wall.

Speaker 3 You know, I don't know, but it's somewhere.

Speaker 1 I'm about to YouTube that when we get off the show.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was like a top play, too, man. It was made it worse.
It was like, ah, that whole, that whole week, I was like, I got to dunk on somebody now.

Speaker 2 Well, I said all that to say, too. It's like, as far as even current players having pods, it's like, yeah, well, they also do have to fight, yes, the media, but also social media, right?

Speaker 2 Where there's narratives that just spin out of control.

Speaker 2 So being able to have a little bit of control of your own story i feel like in today's landscape is much different than you know early facebook twitter years back in like 2011 where you know it wasn't just that it was only like one or two sources really where that came from yeah i mean it's a it's a gift and a curse though because you're speaking from your perspective and everybody's not going to like your perspective so like you have to be prepared to deal with what people have to say about what you have to say so you know it's it's just you know taking control of the own the narrative has a downside.

Speaker 1 You know, I wish I could have taken control of my narrative when I took a photo with the chicks in the hot tub. That would have been good.
I mean, Rudy, you probably don't remember.

Speaker 1 You probably don't know that, but

Speaker 1 that was messed up. I've probably seen it.

Speaker 2 Where'd that photo come out, though, Matt? Like, where did,

Speaker 2 what magazine did that appear in?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm not even going to give the website its due. All right, don't say it.
Don't say it. Fuck them.
I'll tell you the story. Actually, Rudy, actually, this was 2006.
So were you at UConn in 06?

Speaker 3 I got drafted drafted in 06.

Speaker 1 Right right there. Yeah.
So we were the same, same kind of same year. So it's March Madness.
I'll never forget. And I won't tell the whole story.

Speaker 1 I won't bore you all, but March Madness had some of my teammates over. We didn't go out.
We elected not to go out because of that very reason. That was pre,

Speaker 1 it was right when like

Speaker 1 camera phones weren't exist, hadn't existed yet, but it was like the sites, the websites, the gossam sites were there. Yeah.
And I said, hey, let's just come to the, come to the house.

Speaker 1 We'll watch March Madness. We'll have a little party in the backyard.
My boys were there, like eight of my teammates were there. I'll never forget.
It was like the most low-key thing ever.

Speaker 1 And then, like, my, this dude I knew brought like a handful of girls, and they were cool as whatever.

Speaker 1 And I was in the jacuzzi, my jacuzzi in my own yard with my teammates who you could see in some of the photos. And they asked to take a picture with me.
So I just took a picture.

Speaker 1 I was like, all right, cool, whatever. I took a picture.
The only problem was, the only thing where I screwed up was I did hold, I did hold a beer bong for one of them on accident.

Speaker 1 And I don't think she was 21 at the time i guess problematic 20 yeah i mean they were like oh can you do this i was like i was just at that point i was just you know i wasn't even thinking um but that was but talking about like controlling the narrative i wish i would have been able to get on a shit a pod the next day and be like hey this is actually what really happened my bad but like this is what happened so welcome to another episode of matt and reggie

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 me and reggie had i was telling jared the other day we had matt and reggie tv back at usc i don't even remember what we talked about but we had we did something.

Speaker 1 I want to ask. We mentioned the Players Tribune article, and you just recently retired.
I thought it was great, man. It was really well done.
Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 enjoyed, and you had a hell of a career. I mean, I remember watching you a bunch.
I know how hard it was for me for a brief time. I got lucky getting into TV right away.

Speaker 1 So I really didn't have like that year to be like, damn, what do I want to do?

Speaker 1 And, you know, as an athlete, it's hard because we're like kind of put in this like, just like like this tunnel of this is all we can do. Um,

Speaker 1 one, just how has retirement, I know it's just brief, but how has retirement been for you? And,

Speaker 1 you know, like when you look back, is there, you know, like the highlight of your career? You talked about kind of UConn and just the work ethic that it took to get there.

Speaker 1 And just, you know, kind of like highlighting your career, man, because you had an unbelievable career.

Speaker 3 I, you know, when you're in it, you don't think about it, right?

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 And then when you're done, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a death, like you you like you you're killing your former self and it's like you're trying to figure out like we're young what do i do like what is you said you got into tv early but i'm i'm bet i bet you still had to get yourself in a new kind of rhythm of doing new things yep and that takes time to do that too so it took me it took me a little while it took me maybe maybe about five months to really figure out like

Speaker 3 like this isn't that like no matter what i was before like i have to kill that to the point where i just wasn't even thinking about basketball.

Speaker 3 Like, people come up to me and I forget that I played, I was a basketball player.

Speaker 3 That's why situations like going back to school and like hearing people, hearing people like, I remember you here, all this and that.

Speaker 3 Like, this is during a time when I was so focused on trying to be a pro that I didn't appreciate that these people were fans of mine.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 that was one of those things where it was like, okay, yeah, I'm done.

Speaker 3 I'm done. And this is like, it's not about, you know, me trying to get, become a better basketball player anymore.

Speaker 3 It's about me, you know, just trying to become a better person and figure out like a better businessman, a better, better father and stuff like that, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, I think for I, I, appreciation is huge. Like I retired, God, I've retired like 10, 11 years ago.
So I feel like, God, I don't even feel like I was a football player.

Speaker 1 Like, it feels like a lifetime ago, but I do, you do, as you get older, you do appreciate, like, you just learn to appreciate one, like you can kind of like, you can pat yourself on the back.

Speaker 1 You're like, man, like, I was able to accomplish that. I provided for my family.
Like I've been a role model for my boys, even though they don't fucking know it yet.

Speaker 1 They're going to know it at some point.

Speaker 1 Like you do, you do have a better appreciation for the fans and just like what you were able to accomplish. I've learned that as I've gotten older.
It's like, damn, like that was fucking a great run.

Speaker 1 Like it's passed. Now you move on to the other stuff and you get to, and that's the cool thing too about post-time.

Speaker 1 You get to try a lot of new shit. Like you're doing your pod.
You're going to do T, like you've been doing some TV stuff. Like it's fun, man.

Speaker 1 And I just wanted to give you your shout out, man, because you were

Speaker 1 yeah, you had a hell of a run. And

Speaker 1 I know, yeah, it was, it was fun to watch you.

Speaker 3 I mean, we watched you too. You talk about 2006.
I remember sitting in the

Speaker 1 with Dan Orlofsky. You guys were.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Different parts.

Speaker 3 I remember sitting in our training room just looking at watching you guys just dominate. And I picked you guys to win it all and you did.
So don't want to say say you won the money, but.

Speaker 2 And now we have to blame Matt and Reggie for the tush push we have to watch in the Super Bowl because they kind of created that play.

Speaker 1 I told Jerry we invented that shit against Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 And then I told Jerry Reggie had texted me when he was up in Detroit with Stafford. He had the same type of play.
He pushed Stafford in and like OT and they won.

Speaker 1 And I swear to God, he texted me right after. You see that shit? We just did a push-push again in Detroit.
I was like, yeah, dude, I got you.

Speaker 2 I was such a New York kid. The Big East was everything.
I feel like your run with UConn, like, that was sort of like the last of the heyday of the Big East, right?

Speaker 2 Because then it changed, and there's so many, I don't even know for sure who's in the Big East anymore. But when you're up there at UConn, like, what, what is their fan base? And who is you?

Speaker 2 Players back then was like the team you wanted. Was it Seraqi? Like, who'd you want to, who was the biggest rival just in general? That Big East was a, was a behemoth back then.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's, it's tough. It's like,

Speaker 3 especially back then. Like, we had, it was so many big games.
Like, no. Like, you got to think, like, the kind of guys that, you know, St.

Speaker 3 John's, the guys that came out of Syracuse, guys that came out of Villanova, guys.

Speaker 3 Villanova, Georgetown, like all these games are like, what makes a rivalry is like you had big games against them, right?

Speaker 3 And we've had, like, in the Big East, everybody has been stacked at some point. So it was like hard to say who our real rival was.

Speaker 3 Maybe

Speaker 3 Syracuse, maybe Pitt, maybe, maybe St. John's, maybe Georgetown.
I don't don't know. Like, all of them, like, it was just like

Speaker 1 any of them.

Speaker 3 We didn't like any of them. So it was like,

Speaker 2 you know, so.

Speaker 1 At least the big, the Big East still exists. The Pac-I mean, I played in the Pac-10, but the Pac-12, 10 doesn't even exist anymore, which is crazy.
Yes.

Speaker 1 It's wild.

Speaker 3 I've seen some of the weirdest games I've ever seen, like Washington versus Maryland. Like, why are they playing each other right now?

Speaker 1 Before we let you go,

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 1 all time,

Speaker 1 I want to ask you this. Oh, well, actually, real quick, I want to ask you, this is from my oldest.
Who's got a better mid-range? You or DeMar?

Speaker 3 I taught him everything you knew, man.

Speaker 1 Oh, there you go.

Speaker 1 He said, He said, Dad, ask him who's because he just saw, uh,

Speaker 1 he just saw, um, he went to a Clippers game the other night and uh, Damar was there. And Damar's SC kid, obviously.
And he's like, God, Damar is so cold. And then I told him you were coming on.

Speaker 1 He's asking, who's got a better MIDI? I said, all right, I'll ask. So you, so you, you're the godfather.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we, we played, we played, but you can shoot, though, too. Yeah, he doesn't shoot three.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he don't shoot. He's all midi.

Speaker 3 Management was like, we got two guys just shooting mid-range.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, that's my take on it.
It's like,

Speaker 2 I choose you as a fan because also, like, it just.

Speaker 2 you were probably not forced, but everyone was probably telling you, take a few steps back, shoot the three, right?

Speaker 2 Like, I feel like the Rosen didn't, and he does shoot threes, but like, I feel like he never took those few steps back because he's so, he just got so accustomed.

Speaker 2 I feel like, again, that was a part of like the 6'9 thing, like drop back, shoot a few threes.

Speaker 3 It was, I mean, it was for me, it was more of like injuries that limit me from being able to move to get that.

Speaker 3 So, yeah,

Speaker 3 thank God DeMar has had the injuries I've had. And I wouldn't wish that on him.
That's my, that's one of my best friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's great, man. He's a great two.

Speaker 1 Uh, last thing, uh, Rudy, all-time UConn starting five. Who do you got?

Speaker 2 I'd say uh, Kimber Walker, nastiest step back in the history of the tournament, man.

Speaker 1 He had the greatest run, too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Two would definitely be Ray Allen. Three would be Rip Hamilton.

Speaker 1 That's a squad. You put yourself at four.
You could be a small four. Okay, I put myself at four.

Speaker 1 You're there.

Speaker 3 I'm going to get in trouble for this one. I'd say a mecha oak of four.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, Karon Butler. You guys probably play the same position, right? He was a small fight.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I'm biased.

Speaker 1 He killed me.

Speaker 1 I was going down a list. I'd like Khalid Al-Amin was a dog back then.
He has some guys.

Speaker 2 I still also, too, not to keep bringing up your Players' Tribune article.

Speaker 2 And obviously, I'm not going to add, but your story about getting dimed out by a teammate to coach Calhoun about not, all I'll say is, I just can't believe it came from someone.

Speaker 1 I was about to say, someone, you probably fought that. I'm horrified for you that

Speaker 2 I know you're not going to mention the name and you never should, but I'm still, I'm traumatized just from reading that story that that a teammate did that. It hurt my soul to read that.

Speaker 3 Man, it was crazy because like

Speaker 3 back then it was like they, they just,

Speaker 3 he was like, he'll manipulate you to think that he didn't care about things that he really cared about. It's because, like, I remember I got like

Speaker 3 20 parking tickets and

Speaker 3 the guy and like the guy's like, I'm going to tell you your coach. He's like, so I was like, I'll tell him.
So what? And I knew he wouldn't care because he had like 20 parking tickets on his car too.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 3 you know, he'll act like he cares to the guy. He'd be like, all right, whatever, just whatever.
But like, going to class, anything that'll keep you off to court.

Speaker 2 He didn't play.

Speaker 3 No, he didn't play.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We had, I was telling Jerry, we had class.
Did you guys have class checkers? We had class checkers come by. We did.

Speaker 1 They'd be peeking.

Speaker 1 God,

Speaker 1 what was his name?

Speaker 1 Fucking narc. What do you do? Get out of here.
He would nark to the door. They would come to the door, look, see if you were in there, and then they go report to the coach.

Speaker 2 That's a rough gig. Who's taking that job these days?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's that. But it'll be random people.

Speaker 3 Like, like, Coach Calhoun would pay random students to like

Speaker 2 tell him whether i was in class or not like it was it was crazy well listen man 7 p.m in brooklyn is one of my faves i'm always checking yeah you guys are you guys are great man we need you man i'm coming i'm gonna be i'm gonna be in new york in april i know tell merrow i'm coming for him too with his call of duty playing merrow monday streaming call of duty all day and yeah honestly if you haven't read uh Rudy's player tribute.

Speaker 2 It was awesome, man.

Speaker 2 I just, I appreciate you for opening up like that and giving us the perspective and um yeah man you want to i mean i'll come see you over there i'll come i'll come i'll come give some bad takes out on 7 p.m

Speaker 3 you wouldn't be the first

Speaker 1 thank you so much appreciate you brother yeah thanks for coming on man man i appreciate you guys

Speaker 2 All right. Again, big shout outs to Rudy Gay.
Go check out 7 p.m. in Brooklyn with him and Mello.
It's a lot of fun. I think we should go on there in New York, Matt.
That would be good.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 We're going to bust out the mailbag again because I think we're going to start having our guests sit in on this mailbag too because some of them have been really good.

Speaker 2 You want to take one and I'll take one?

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Chris in Utah. Okay.
So I saw the trailer for Happy Gilmore 2 came out this week. Curious where you guys rank shooter McGavin in terms of all-time great sports movie villains.

Speaker 1 In the first one, when he threatened to burn down Happy's grandmother's house and piss on the ashes, I was ready to jump through the screen and fight him. Thanks, fellas.

Speaker 1 Shooter, I mean, shooter's got to be one of the all-time villains, right?

Speaker 2 I just like, anytime I think of shooter McGavin, the first thing that comes to my head is, I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast. Then Sailor's go, you eat pieces of shit for breakfast?

Speaker 1 It's great.

Speaker 2 He's up there for me because I love golf.

Speaker 2 It's rare that you get like the comedic

Speaker 2 sports villain, right? I think it's only like you think sports.

Speaker 1 It's a good comedic sport.

Speaker 2 Ivan Drago, right? Clubber Lang, stuff like that. He's shooting McGavin's up there for me.

Speaker 1 He's a hardware. What about what? White Goodman.

Speaker 2 Yeah. 100%.
Right.

Speaker 1 100%. White Goodman.
White Goodman, Ben Stiller, Dodgeball reminds me of Shooter McGavin. The comedic aspect of it.

Speaker 1 By the way, Dodgeball, underrated movie, by the way. Dodgeball underrated movie movie movie.

Speaker 1 Even in the top 10 sports movies of all time, I wouldn't go that far because it's but underrated, underrated movie.

Speaker 2 I think Stiller is doing a pickleball movie in the same vein, I think, like a slightly comedic pickleball movie, which if you didn't, you should have got a cameo in that.

Speaker 1 I should have. Is he a big pickleball guy?

Speaker 2 I guess, or enough to make the movie. But yeah, so to answer the question for me, he's up there.

Speaker 1 I think Ivan Drago. Ivan Drago is probably one of the most iconic villains.
Ivan Drago.

Speaker 2 I give shout outs to,

Speaker 2 you might not recognize the name. Let's see if you could get the name, the movie from the name.
It's a fictional character. It's a tough one to get.
You have to know the movie well. Clue Haywood.

Speaker 2 It's okay if you don't know it.

Speaker 1 Jump Hay Haywood.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Major League. He's like the guy, the slugger on the Yankees with the big chew spitting in slow motion.
Oh, they have to strike out.

Speaker 1 You said Clue. Clue, it is Clue.
Clue?

Speaker 2 I think it is.

Speaker 1 Haywood, the big for, yeah,

Speaker 1 for Taylor's talking shit to him at home play.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's.

Speaker 2 I thought it was Clue Haywood.

Speaker 2 We'll find out.

Speaker 1 Uh, all right, I'm gonna read one.

Speaker 2 Brad in Dallas, the one shining moment video that runs at the end of the NCAA tournament. Something you stick around for or something you don't get all that hype for?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 listen,

Speaker 1 I don't get all that hype for just because I can't guarantee I'm going to be where I'm at watching the championship in the end of that.

Speaker 1 But I will say this, I am a sucker for highlights, for highlight videos, highlight films. I think March Madness is

Speaker 1 one of the best sporting events every year by far. It's right up there.
It's like right up there with the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It's just right up there for me. So I'm all for it.
I just don't necessarily watch it every year.

Speaker 1 But it's, yeah, I mean, it's just one shiny moment. The buzzer beaters.
It's why we love March Madness in College Hoover.

Speaker 2 It used to be must-see TV for me. And it used to be, you know, with the music.
It just, it's all perfect. I will say it is, I'll watch it if it times out.

Speaker 2 It's no longer must-see, stick around because I think of social media. Because by that point,

Speaker 2 we'll have seen all the amazing moments so many times because I'm on social media with sports all day long when I can be.

Speaker 2 So I think by the time it rolls around, maybe you could make the which made it and which didn't.

Speaker 2 But back in the day, I think the very last one that sticks out was like the Gordon Hayward missed buzzer beater from half-credit almost went in. That's like the last one.

Speaker 2 I remember being at Gold Goal Sports Bar in LA. That's the last one I remember.
Like, no, no, we have to wait for

Speaker 1 Villanova game winner. Jenkins? Chris Jenkins? That was a great one, too.
That was the one I remember.

Speaker 1 Are you, before we go, are you glued? Are you glued to the TV this weekend for March Madness? Are you just kind of?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I got to shoot some more to finish up this movie the next two days. So I'll be checking in.

Speaker 2 And I just will say, not as much for the first and second round like I used to be.

Speaker 1 Are you betting on these games?

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 My big pick that I did for Bet MGM was Colorado State was like my underdog because they're a 12-seed playing Memphis, right? But now

Speaker 2 they're the underdog 12 versus five, but they're actually favored in the game now.

Speaker 1 So I'm just a, yeah, I'm a Joe now.

Speaker 2 I made the most obvious

Speaker 1 underdog pick.

Speaker 2 So now I like hate the Colorado State pick.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, that's dangerous.

Speaker 2 And I tell you what, though, I don't do 400 brackets anymore like I used to. to.
Oh, I did. Fantasy.
I dialed it way down.

Speaker 1 Dude, I'm in this big pool. There's like a thousand people, and it's, you know, whatever.
It's not, it's a, you can do unlimited brackets. I'm doing

Speaker 1 20 brackets so far.

Speaker 2 But like, what's the one you feel? Just give me a little bit of a bunch of people.

Speaker 1 So I just go basically. I've never won.
I go.

Speaker 1 I think Florida would be the odds on favorite. I don't know if they are.
I think they are. I love Florida.
I do like Duke and I do like Auburn. So those are obviously three numbers.

Speaker 1 You're a one-seed seed guy. You're a one seed guy.
Those three, I'm not Houston. People, I love Houston.

Speaker 1 I just, every year I'm like, oh, Houston, then they always just find a way to lose Final Four Elite Eight.

Speaker 1 And then I don't, I feel like this year is like kind of chalk. Like, I just think there's like those five or six teams that are really good can all win.

Speaker 1 And then there's just like, I like Michigan State this year. They're really good.

Speaker 2 They always hang around.

Speaker 1 I think Maryland, Maryland could make a little run. Like they're Johnny's.

Speaker 2 The Johnnies.

Speaker 1 Look out for the Johnnies.

Speaker 1 It'll be fun. A lot of SEC.
This year, it's been all about, I think, what, 14 SEC schools made.

Speaker 2 Are you glued while you're

Speaker 2 squashing termite or fleas? Are you glued to the TV?

Speaker 1 Or again, not as much because you have three kids at the house. I mean, my weekends just started sports last week.

Speaker 1 I didn't even, dude, I just coached my coach Kayson in his first football game this past weekend. I saw.
By the way,

Speaker 1 by the way, I'm just such good athletes already compared to the kind of level that

Speaker 2 when when my oldest is older than your oldest,

Speaker 1 you could just see the genetic gene pool of athlete versus non-athletes.

Speaker 1 And he's playing

Speaker 1 with Instagram videos.

Speaker 1 He's playing like kids a year older than him.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 he's running and running and like making dudes miss. He's awesome.

Speaker 1 We'll put it. I want to talk about it next week because

Speaker 1 we have a football game this weekend, too. But I'll say this.
My oldest,

Speaker 1 Cole's, my oldest, but my oldest, my five-year-old is,

Speaker 1 I'm telling you what, this kid was born to be a fucking linebacker, dude. He, all he wants to do is hit people.

Speaker 1 He, he ran like he's skilled, and he, and he, and by the way, he, he was hitting bombs this weekend in baseball. Like, I was like, and I'm not bragging on him because it takes him a lot of work.

Speaker 1 It takes him a lot of work to, to work. He's not, Josie and I talk, he's a lot like Josie.
Josie's a hard, hard, hard worker.

Speaker 1 And once she gets it, she becomes elite in that, whether it's law, anything, like not necessarily sports, but just anything focused can't yeah cannon is

Speaker 1 like a lot like me a little bit like very natural cole very natural cannon just natural three-year-olds just raking off the teeth like it doesn't even care case in just has to work but he works it pays off because it he can he can flip it dude all that being said this dude just wants to tackle and just crush people and run into people and he loves it dude he gets up and he just fucking laughs i'm like well dude he's psych i don't know where that came from dude he's psychotic so i don't i think i'm gonna have a linebacker linebacker with one of my three boys for sure.

Speaker 2 Please insert the program film room scene where Alvin Mack is looking at his assignments going, hit the quarterback, hit the running back. And the very end is like, kill everyone.

Speaker 1 That's what the bikes are in there. My boy, my, my best friend Brandon, he coaches me.
He was telling, we kind of laugh about Kaysen because it's like.

Speaker 1 He doesn't necessarily know, like, like, he doesn't understand contain because we're trying to teach this kid, hey, you need to contain. Like, whatever.

Speaker 1 What's containing?

Speaker 1 But my boy Brent is like, dude, all I said was, Kaysen, go, go, and just run after the guy who has the ball. Just go.
Don't do anything. And sure enough, he just charges, dude.

Speaker 1 Like, he just, he's like a, like, it's just fucking.

Speaker 2 I'm picturing Patrick Willis. That's what I see.
I see Patrick.

Speaker 1 That's all I see. I'll have more.
We can talk about that next week. It's been, but I'm in now.
I'm in full coaching multiple sports a weekend for my five-year-old.

Speaker 1 I was like that with Cole 12 years ago. I am right back.
It's cool that you get to do it again.

Speaker 2 It's fun, man.

Speaker 1 It's fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, good luck to everybody.

Speaker 1 These brackets. Hopefully, you don't get busted too easily.

Speaker 2 We'll be back next week.