Russell Wilson to the Giants, Building our Perfect QB and Raymond Felton Talking Hoops

Speaker 1 Raymond Felton is just not dunking four times a game in the NBA. You think, like, oh, he probably doesn't really have a dunk package.
You should have dunked more in the NBA. You throwing it down.

Speaker 2 I could really get up, but once I got into the league, man, listen, when you get knocked out the air by Shaquille O'Neal and some of these big dudes, you learn to shoot a floater.

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Speaker 3 Did you see my post about golfing? I said,

Speaker 3 golf is speaking to me this year.

Speaker 3 It's just speaking to me and it's speaking to you you went to a bryson di chambeau launch i saw bryson di chambeau launch balls with his new driver la golf uh la golf at bel air country club a couple nights ago pitch black with lights and he was trying to tag these drones in the in the sky it was actually pretty funny but he just hitting absolute laser beams My goal is to get you to a place and you have a lot of hobbies and you work out a lot and you got three.

Speaker 1 I have a lot of hobbies. I don't.
What I mean is like, you'll go, do you have beach volleyball, right? You coach your kids and stuff. You have things.
It's not like you have tons of free time.

Speaker 1 However, my goal for you, and I'm glad you went to that event. You had a nice little blazer, like a sport coat, a blazer? What was that? You had a nice piece on.

Speaker 3 You know, I got to step up every once in a while.

Speaker 1 My goal is.

Speaker 3 I got more than hoodies and sweats in the closet, you know.

Speaker 1 I would love to get you to a place where you golf like once a month, once every six weeks, maybe like, you know, just get you in the mix.

Speaker 3 once a month is great um i'm actually i hit up my boy because we have a couple par three courses right that's a great place to start so we have top golf which is a par three and then there's a par three behind a hotel over here that's actually pretty good i used to play a decent amount um so i'm gonna try and get one in this week and then yeah i just i just need to get out there dude it's calling me um

Speaker 3 it's it is i think that since we've been doing this together i've talked more about golf been invited to really cool shit that we'll get to later on the pod, you know, in a couple of months where I'm going this summer, which is freaking ridiculous.

Speaker 3 But yeah, man, like it's, it's, it's going to be part of my life. It just takes up so much fucking time.

Speaker 1 It does. But can I say, and I'm going to tell you about who our guest is today, I'm not going to spoil who the guest is in the coming week or two.
All I'll say is you got a little

Speaker 1 major

Speaker 1 champion from the PGA tour coming on. We'll talk.
We're going to talk a little. Not today, not this episode.
Coming, I think maybe next week.

Speaker 3 We're looking good.

Speaker 3 I'm a teaser, buddy, but

Speaker 3 you have a chub.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is the easy. It was the easy.
I'm already prepped for that interview next week, but we have a great guest today, too.

Speaker 1 I'm not trying to outshine our guy today because also he has some Nick's blood in him. Raymond Felton, former target.

Speaker 1 National champ. Obviously,

Speaker 1 you know, the

Speaker 1 college tournament's coming back tonight. Games will be going back on.

Speaker 1 I did think of you, though, Maddie, because we had Coach Gottlieb on a few weeks ago, and I know it's been talked about, but the Juju interview and

Speaker 1 women's college basketball. Yeah, heartbreaking for so many reasons.
Also, it happens in the tournament.

Speaker 1 We were on a collision course for UConn, which I think that could have really broken a lot of viewing records. I still think that's going to be a good game.

Speaker 1 Now, here's what I'll say: and hopefully, we wish Juju the best and hopefully a speedy recovery and just a full recovery. I'm not counting out this USC women's team just yet.

Speaker 1 I know going into UConn, that's going to be a massive upheaval without Juju, but I'm not so fast to say that's a wash. I feel like the black room gets fired up now to get into the spotlight.

Speaker 3 Just to echo really quick, I mean, you know, we're thinking about Juju.

Speaker 3 She'll make a full recovery. She's going to come back stronger.
We all know that. It is just hard.
It's just, it's part of sports.

Speaker 3 It happens and it's unfortunate, you know, and it's, and, and just what she's done for USC. I mean, the fact that, you know, those seats are full because of her and her team, but she's a star, man.

Speaker 3 Like, she's a superstar. And Coach Gottley talked about her a couple of weeks ago.
So

Speaker 3 look, at the end of the day, it happens. She's going to be fine.
She's going to come back bigger and better and stronger.

Speaker 3 But to your point,

Speaker 3 they've recruited really well through the portal, through high school. And this team is built to continue to make a run.

Speaker 3 I think it's going to be challenging if they do line up with UConn and Paige Beckers in the Elite Eight.

Speaker 3 I think that's a difficult difficult game the way UConn, I mean, UConn might be the favorite to win it now.

Speaker 3 But yeah,

Speaker 3 Kiki is a stud. Like they've, they have eight or nine deep that they go.
So they're going to be tough. You know, Lindsey does a great job there.
So, but shout out, you know, we're thinking about Juju.

Speaker 3 Obviously, she'll be better. And shout out to UC women's basketball.

Speaker 3 Let's see. Let's see what they can do.
But yeah, Ray Felton, what a stud, too. I mean, just growing up, because we're the same age.
So pretty much the same age, right? He's 40, 41.

Speaker 1 I think he's 40 on the dot about to 40.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so those are the

Speaker 3 UNC years. I mean, they had a squad back then.
They had an absolute squad the year they won the national championship.

Speaker 1 I'm a little mad at UNC, though, because I had them on the fourth leg of a nice little opening parlay, and they just didn't come through.

Speaker 1 They came back from like 25 down, and they suckered me right back into, okay, I might still win this bet. Didn't you win? You took UNC to win? Well, no, no, just for that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just for that game. It was

Speaker 1 playing. Ole Miss is playing good.
You know what? Here's a take, and then we'll get to Ray. Um, so I used to,

Speaker 1 you know, avoid flying during things like March Madness or an NFL playoff game or a basketball game I really wanted to watch because if you didn't get that jet blue direct TV seat, you couldn't really watch the Wi-Fi.

Speaker 1 Now, they figured it out for the most part. Every now and then you get on the flights where the Wi-Fi doesn't work or the airline, whatever.
But for the most part,

Speaker 1 for the most part, it's really, really good. So I flew home.
I did that movie in Florida. I stayed a few days and played some golf with the boys.
No surprise.

Speaker 1 And then I flew home for that Colorado State, Maryland game on the plane. So, I was able to order a drink, pop open the laptop.

Speaker 1 It was like a sports bar in the air to the point where when we landed, I was like,

Speaker 1 taxi a little slower. I got to see.
I saw the ending while taxiing to my gate. And it was an awesome flight.

Speaker 1 And now I'm going to start making flights for games I want to watch as long as that Wi-Fi holds up. So

Speaker 1 Thursday's a this Thursday is a, you know, it's a sneaky good day because the tournament kicks back up. And then we got Major League Baseball opening day and busting this out for you, Matt.

Speaker 1 Although I think my boys are going to have a lot of questions, but listen, here's the bigger question. How much baseball are you going to tune into early?

Speaker 3 We'll talk about baseball in

Speaker 3 September, okay?

Speaker 1 Three, four months from now. Yeah,

Speaker 3 maybe the all-star break, maybe that. Let's talk about baseball.
There's too many games, dude.

Speaker 3 We might win 120 games this year.

Speaker 1 I mean, we might win 130.

Speaker 1 And I got honestly, I just go back in.

Speaker 3 Talk about it. I just really want to say, like, thinking about Mookie Betts, man, really sick.
That's the only thing really I care about. He's been sick.

Speaker 1 So, what's happening with it? Have they got them to the bottom of it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's lost like 30 pounds. I just been reading the report.
So, nasty virus, flu, whatever, but um,

Speaker 1 not eating, he's not able to

Speaker 1 hold down food.

Speaker 3 So, he'll be fine. Um, but yeah, think about it.
But, yeah, but you, you catch me on the base, you catch me baseball in the summer, dude.

Speaker 1 We talk about it this summer. I was so back in last end of last season into the playoffs, but to the point where I said, I'm going to really pay more.

Speaker 1 And it's not that I don't pay attention because I don't love baseball. I think when you have kids and as you get older, you have to let go of some things.
You have to make some tough choices.

Speaker 1 And for me, I'm not letting go of football, college and pro. I'm not letting go of basketball.
And baseball was one of the things that I let go a little bit.

Speaker 1 And UFC, some fights that are on like after midnight, because I just can't can't stay awake. However,

Speaker 1 at the end of last season, I was saying, I'm back in on baseball.

Speaker 1 I'm going to, the true test, if you're back in on baseball, especially if your team, if you don't live in the city that your favorite team is in, is are you getting the baseball package?

Speaker 1 I am not yet currently subscribed

Speaker 1 to the baseball package.

Speaker 3 Let me just say something really quick about my team.

Speaker 3 And for all the Dodger fans listening, this might be the greatest pitching rotation

Speaker 1 of all time.

Speaker 3 And now, they got to stay healthy, but let me just read some names off here.

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 3 First of all, Snell, just a minor pickup this offseason. He's a Cy Young.

Speaker 1 So annoying.

Speaker 3 Tyler Glasnow, a monster who, by the way, was hurt most of last year. He's back.
Yamamoto, okay. Yamamoto.
Sasaki, the other guy we picked up.

Speaker 3 Oh, and then let me just throw in Shoei Otani, by the way, who's probably a top four pitcher in the show.

Speaker 1 I forgot he pitches because he took some time off last year. And by by the way, there's probably guys I'm leaving.

Speaker 3 I mean, Kershaw came back. You know, obviously, shout out to Kershaw.
I mean, it is unbelievable. And then you just throw the lineup in there with Mookie and Freddie.

Speaker 3 And I mean, look, dude, that's what I'm saying. We're going to coast.
Okay, I'm going to follow my Lakers here the next couple months. We're going to make a deep playoff run.

Speaker 3 It's a long, long MLB season, dude.

Speaker 1 A long one.

Speaker 3 I'm not worried about what happens in April and May and June.

Speaker 1 You get

Speaker 1 bucko five.

Speaker 1 Like 105 wins is like a down.

Speaker 3 Dude, I'll check the standings like every four days and we'll be up 14 games by the time June comes around. And it's like, all right, that's good.

Speaker 1 You'll watch them up at bats, right? You'll see like, oh, Connie's up with two on, and they're down two in the ninth. Let me just see what it happens.

Speaker 3 I'll take the boys to a game. We'll go to a couple.
We go to a couple games every year. I'll take the boys this year, probably the first time.

Speaker 3 We'll see. Kaysen's ready.
Cannon might not, but, you know, those things, we go for six, seven innings and we leave, and it's a pretty fun day for them.

Speaker 1 Well, it was one of the the first things we truly bonded on with this podcast was the Yankees Dodgers World Series. I will say for my Yanks,

Speaker 1 interesting offseason.

Speaker 1 And I just can already tell you, we might not pay attention to it now, but when it gets into September, you're just going to hear a lot about that fifth inning or sixth or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 You're just going to, that is going to be the real, if it's a Fox game or whoever has the game nationally, they're ESPN, they're going to bring that clip up.

Speaker 1 We're going to see that a lot this year being brought back up. It's going to happen.

Speaker 3 I want to ask you about the

Speaker 3 kids. I think Bree posted something on Instagram, or maybe it was you about,

Speaker 3 I mean, are we raising a little, are we raising a little,

Speaker 3 a little point guard in the Ferrara house or what?

Speaker 1 Man,

Speaker 3 you know, that not gets you pumped?

Speaker 1 I'm trying to

Speaker 1 keep my emotions in check because you know with kids, right? Like it's, it's this for two weeks and then next week, who knows? It could be, I don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 But since going to that Knicks game, and I showed him when we were in Florida, I showed him a clip of that Bridges game winner against the Blazers, right? Because he's never seen a game winner.

Speaker 1 I'm like, here, come, it was in the morning, too. So it was the next day, I'm like, watch this clip with me.
I showed it and we watched it again in like slow motion.

Speaker 1 And he heard Mike Breen make the call. And that was it.
He kept it moving. So they come back here.

Speaker 1 I'm, I'm still in Florida and Bree sends me a video of Jacob in his Carl Anthony Towns jersey driving and shoots a basket. And when he hits it, he goes, bridges for the win.
Bang. It's good.

Speaker 1 Knicks win. He did the Mike Green call.
That's cool. And asks me every morning, Dad, did the Knicks win? Even if they didn't play last night.
And he's in two different basketball camps right now.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to ride this thing out as long as it lasts. I don't know if it's forever, but man, it'll be

Speaker 1 a good spot right now.

Speaker 3 It's a good start because typically, if they don't care, they'll just show no interest or like they'll, they'll hate not, they'll hate if you drag them to something.

Speaker 3 They'll hate if you want them to watch something with you. But if he shows interest on his own, then dude, you just keep, you keep milking that.
Keep kind of keep watching a game with him.

Speaker 3 Keep showing him some highlights because he's going to get the bug, dude. And it doesn't, I mean, that, that's just in him.

Speaker 1 And you really don't know what your kids hear you say.

Speaker 1 Someone at when he was wearing the towns service, someone asked Jacob, why do you like Carl Anthony Towns? He's like, I like that.

Speaker 1 His nickname's Cat, but he has too many dumb fouls, which is exactly what he got that from. He heard me bitching about Cat for having

Speaker 1 too many dumb fouls. And now that's like in his brain.

Speaker 3 Well, the word that's going around our house is ass cheeks.

Speaker 3 I got to be honest.

Speaker 3 It's not for mom and dad.

Speaker 1 I have no clue. Kids' cursing is super funny, but you really have to manage your reactions because then it's just going to be

Speaker 1 ass cheeks.

Speaker 3 It's ass cheeks. And then then this morning when

Speaker 3 I dropped the boys off at school,

Speaker 3 Cannon's going to get kicked out of school at like age seven.

Speaker 1 He goes, butt cheeks into the room.

Speaker 3 He said, butt cheeks this time.

Speaker 1 And I go, because he cleaned it up.

Speaker 3 He's in preschool, right? So like I walk in, the teacher's in there. Like it's pretty low-key.
It's awesome. Walk in, put his bag around.
Case and follows me.

Speaker 3 And then I drop Kason on, Kason starts school after. And he just goes in and he's just like, butt cheeks.
And I'm like, I looked at him. I said, dude, you cannot say that in school.

Speaker 1 Yeah, stop. You're bad.

Speaker 3 You don't do that. You know, and I said, the police are going to come and get you.

Speaker 3 And he goes, daddy, really? I go, yeah, man, you can't say that word. You're going to get locked up.
But, dude, ass cheeks, man.

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Speaker 1 Well, speaking of Ash Cheeks, this is a perfect transition for me. Speaking of Ash Cheeks, let's talk.

Speaker 1 Can you join me on the New York Giants roller coaster for one second? Speaking of Ash Cheeks, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Is that how you feel?

Speaker 3 Do you think it's just Ash Cheeks?

Speaker 3 I mean, Jameis Winston's a throwbacks. You know, he's a friend of the show.

Speaker 1 Friend of the show. I love that signing, by the way.
I love the Jameis signing. I was fully.

Speaker 1 And me and all my group chats and all that, we were fully ready to just embrace. Look, we ain't really going anywhere.

Speaker 1 Malik Neighbors probably going to break their wide receiver receiving yards record with Jameis. It's going to be a wild ride to six or seven wins, but it'll be fun.
We'll have some weird comebacks.

Speaker 1 It'll be, it just is going to be an entertaining, bad year. And then, and then, and look, while still maybe drafting a quarterback, and who knows, the Russell Wilson signing.
Now,

Speaker 1 not my favorite player in the world either. Not my favorite.
Yeah, why is that?

Speaker 1 I just,

Speaker 1 he's a little bit of a history there. There's a little bit of a history there.

Speaker 1 But also...

Speaker 3 Well, no, no, no, no, no. You can't just throw that out there and not talk about it.

Speaker 1 well if you really want you came on entourage right yeah and doug ellen and connolly talk about a lot about it on the victory podcast like uh when we were promoting the first he's in the entourage movie along with gronk and edelman and a bunch of a bunch of cameos right and he's the one who threw the pass that connolly broke his leg on when i was guarding him it was a russell wilson pass that got connolly's leg broken not his fault and he was all about it had us up to seattle after the movie was done we screened the entourage movie for the entire for by the way we were trying to get into the facility and we were locked out and no one was coming to get us and you know pete carroll walked up chewing gum like what are you guys doing and he had no idea who we were right away they're like we're meeting up with russ we're screen and then he pete carol let us in we ran the 40 we did that tennis ball machine where you're catching the tennis balls we did a bunch of drills kicked some field goals screened the movie for the entire team all this stuff um and he's like him and doug are like friends Like they come and then just movie gets close to coming out.

Speaker 1 You know, it's doing good, not great, tracking strand. And then people start saying, oh, Entourage is toxic.

Speaker 1 And then I think Russell just ghosted everybody from Entourage, ghosted Doug, ghost everyone, like just unfollows, like just high knees on the plane.

Speaker 3 Something, something happened there.

Speaker 1 I don't think something specific happened other than maybe he saw it wasn't a giant hit and didn't. I don't know.
I don't, I, I don't know. Um, nice guy, nice guy.

Speaker 1 A few times I have hung out with him, very nice guy.

Speaker 3 So you're holding on, you're holding on to a beef for like 14 years.

Speaker 1 So there's a half a beef, but then when you dive into the actual, so the former Steelers quarterback room is now in New York. You got Fields with the Jets, Russell Wilson with the Jets.

Speaker 1 Where are you going?

Speaker 1 Where are you going? And Matt, are we, do they not draft a quarterback now? Do you saw? I know Wilson's like 10 years guaranteed one year.

Speaker 3 That's you, you saw. Yeah, I mean, the Jameis signing.
Okay, all right, we got a bridge guy. Let's go see if we can get, let's go get Shador.
I think Cam Ward's a lock to go number one.

Speaker 3 I think that's a lock, right? So what does Cleveland do at two?

Speaker 3 Um, and then Giants at three. And we talked about it this week on the phone, just like, I think Giants, if should Giants would take Shador in a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 And now this signing of Wilson makes me believe that there is no chance Shador is going three, that he's going to go number two.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 3 but what if Shador does go three?

Speaker 1 But the Browns don't have a quarterback. They have Kenny Pickett.
That's it.

Speaker 3 Maybe they're in the same boat. Maybe they're just like, you know what? We'll take a look at this.

Speaker 1 Is it going to be Flacco? There's no one left. Is Flacco and Rodgers are the only two left?

Speaker 3 This year, and then we'll go get Arch Manning next year.

Speaker 1 Take our chances with Kenny Pickett?

Speaker 1 No offense to Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 Like you said, go win a couple games

Speaker 3 and then set yourself up to get Arch Manning next year, who I think will be the number one pick. All that's being said is is I saw, I understood the Jameis thing.

Speaker 1 Yes, me too.

Speaker 1 And why do you need both? Why do you need both?

Speaker 3 Exactly. And that's, I mean, and, and listen, like, Russell Wilson's a starter.
I don't, like, I don't think there's going to be a competition there.

Speaker 3 And maybe they told him there is going to be a competition.

Speaker 3 I can't imagine Wilson's not the starter. He actually played pretty well for Pittsburgh last year.

Speaker 3 But I just don't see

Speaker 3 like that's not a move that's going to get the fans excited.

Speaker 3 And it's not a move that's going to say, all right, well, now New York is, i mean that now they can compete in that division and get to a playoff it doesn't it doesn't say any of that which is why give them all that money you know and and go draft go try and get jackson dart you know trade back trade by the way maybe i'll start talking milro over this situation like you could talk me into a lot of other i got talked i talked myself into joe milton before this a lot there's some drafts that have dart going in the top 10.

Speaker 3 i know it's so crazy and you could trade i mean that's the thing like he's yeah i don't know man it's i've always been able to spin it, Matt.

Speaker 1 I'm excellent at spin. What I mean is, like, I was able to spin the Daniel Jones draft pit when they drafted them, even though it was way too high.
I tried to spin it and it made sense.

Speaker 1 And then I was able to spin the contract, right? It's like, there's so, like, what quarterbacks could you even pay at this point?

Speaker 3 There is no spinning this.

Speaker 1 And for me, anything short of a playoff win, a playoff appearance and win,

Speaker 1 it's a failure. If they, if they win eight games, what does that get you? If they go eight and nine, that's bad.

Speaker 3 They're not winning.

Speaker 1 That's worse than how many

Speaker 3 record last year they won, what, four games?

Speaker 1 Five. Something like that.
And by the way, they're over or under.

Speaker 1 Wins total was three and a half. They signed both these quarters.

Speaker 1 It's three and a half still.

Speaker 1 It didn't move at all.

Speaker 3 It's going to be another long fall for you, buddy.

Speaker 1 And then now I know we'll talk about it because we're going to be doing some a lot of fun draft stuff, but now do I got to start getting my mind ready for Travis Hunter? It just,

Speaker 1 I don't know if this is, and is this keeping your job? If you're like Dable and Shane, is this the move? This is a thing that's going to allow you and buy you more time?

Speaker 1 It's awful, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't know.
I don't have an answer for you.

Speaker 1 Nine starters

Speaker 1 since 2020.

Speaker 3 I don't know the reasoning of both. And,

Speaker 3 you know, I know, I think, obviously Rodgers is, I think that's going to happen quickly.

Speaker 1 It's got to be Steelers now. There's no Steelers or Browns or retirement.

Speaker 3 Cleveland, Cleveland, Shador, and Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 You know, Prime wants him to go to New York so bad, probably at number three.

Speaker 1 The Jets and the Giants at this point should

Speaker 1 draft teams.

Speaker 3 They still could draft Shador at three.

Speaker 1 Maybe what we could do for the NFL draft that could be fun before the actual draft is we'll sit down and let's do a draft if we combine the Jets and the Giants to make one team.

Speaker 1 What players are we taking? Because that's where we're at.

Speaker 3 Already talking Giants in March.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not talking Giants, but come on. What did you? Your mind must have been a little broken when you saw that.

Speaker 3 No, my mind immediately went to you. I said, oh, fuck, Jerry's going to be so pissed.
Poor guy.

Speaker 1 Poor son.

Speaker 3 I was like, fuck, why? But it's just why. I don't get it.
I don't get it.

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Speaker 1 I promise this one's not me. The name is NYC Football.
So someone right now who wrote this review, not too happy, either Jets or Giants fan.

Speaker 1 But NYC Football says chemistry between these guys, that's us, is great. Show's getting better every episode.
Feel like I'm in their real life entourage.

Speaker 3 Did your boy write that?

Speaker 1 That does seem like someone I would know that wrote that, or maybe maybe even me. It wasn't me.
This is a real review. You could see it, but it does help us.
So if you get a second.

Speaker 3 What would our real life entourage look like? Am I, I mean, am I Vinny Chase and your turtle or am I turtle to your Vinny Chase?

Speaker 1 I don't think I.

Speaker 3 Are we just fucking rocking? We're just rocking and rolling, just fucking Matt and Jerry.

Speaker 1 I don't have Vinny Chase vibes. I just never have.

Speaker 1 You're Vinny Chase, bro. That's it.
You're Vinny Chase. I think I could be a good E right now.

Speaker 3 I think you're a good E.

Speaker 3 I think you're more than turtle.

Speaker 1 So we have two spots open. We have Johnny Drama open and we have Turtle open.
So we're just going to be.

Speaker 3 I still can't look.

Speaker 3 It's so funny, dude, because obviously now that I know you, I can't look at you in pictures of Turtle and just look at you the same early years.

Speaker 1 You were fucking 250 pounds. I wasn't 250.
That's a little extreme. I was 205.

Speaker 3 No, shout out. I mean,

Speaker 3 you look fantastic, dude. I'm just saying,

Speaker 1 you got to remember something too, Matt.

Speaker 1 I came in like a little heavy, but also once something starts working, but once something starts working, you just add it, then it's just, you know, and look, the fat jokes worked and it became a thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they played it up.

Speaker 1 And you've been on sets before. You've, you, you're in SAG, you know, you get around those craft service tables

Speaker 1 at six in the morning when you haven't eaten anything yet. And there's fresh, hot, crispy cream donuts just sitting there on the table with good card.
They'll take your coffee order.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just a great place. This is great.
Great place to put on some weight.

Speaker 3 When I was super fat, when I was little,

Speaker 3 my brother would go to my mom and he would be like, mom, like, what are we going to do about Maddie? He's so fat. This is when he was like 15.

Speaker 1 He's fat shaming you when you're 10 years old.

Speaker 3 You know, and God bless my mom. My mom was like, don't worry.
He'll grow out of it. He'll grow out of it.
And sure enough, I grew out of it. But dude, there's some rough years, bro.

Speaker 1 How tall is your bro?

Speaker 3 six feet dude i'm a

Speaker 1 so is he considered is that more normal like is your height and aberration in your family you're what about six we used to flatten

Speaker 3 we used to say uh it was a male man but it couldn't have been the mailman not one person in my family is over 6'1 and that's extended everything so i'm just i'm an anomaly well you got some like great great great grandfather who like

Speaker 3 somewhere i had a great i think a great uncle who was might have been 6'2 maybe dude my grandparents were short my mom was short my mom was five my mom for was like five eight five seven five eight and growing up you know in the 60s 70s that was pretty tall uh my dad's 5'11.

Speaker 3 so like yeah man i don't know what happened but uh but yeah dude shout out to uh shout out 50 pound turtle change yeah you said i was if i was 250 i'd have to be hospitalized at 5'5 you're 5'9

Speaker 1 5'9 i love it yes keep Keep it coming. Should I just give you 5'9?

Speaker 1 You gave me 5. If I was 5'9, I'd be Vince.

Speaker 3 Bro, 5'6'2 bills. Yes, 205.
Two bills.

Speaker 1 Yep. Damn.

Speaker 3 Look at you now, bro.

Speaker 1 Hosted throwbacks. Well, again, give us some more of those ranging reviews.

Speaker 3 We do appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Each week we're going to pick our fresh moves of the week. And it's hard for for me to ignore.

Speaker 1 You know, again, I'm new to NIL and trying to keep up with transfer portals and all that. 750 men's hoops players, student athletes entered the transfer portal.
Gone.

Speaker 1 Already. There was already 250 there from other coaching changes and stuff like that.
They're expecting well over a thousand, maybe 2,000. Who knows, Matt? Is this now just free agency?

Speaker 1 It's free agency, right? Well, yeah. I have a question for you.

Speaker 3 We talked about during college football. Remember the backup quarterback for Penn State?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 He bounced.

Speaker 3 And because that's when the portal window opens, so it leaves the student at these players a limited amount of time to either stay or go find another home somewhere, which then obviously you're leaving your team.

Speaker 3 And I think

Speaker 3 Pippen, like Scotty's Pippin's son, did that. He was on Michigan.

Speaker 3 Michigan's still playing, obviously, in the Sweet 16. And he wasn't, you know, he's not playing a lot, but he left his team

Speaker 3 in the portal and along with over 700 players that you said,

Speaker 3 it's the same thing that we talked about in football. The windows need to be changed.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 It's, it's just, it's, it's just, it's, it's crazy. Like there's not really an answer that we have.
Like the windows are open this time.

Speaker 3 Players are going to leave and go find another opportunity somewhere else if they can. And that's the way it is.

Speaker 1 But how crazy is it even? I think

Speaker 1 one player, so St. John's, right, gets bounced in the second round.
They couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. They couldn't hit water if they fell off a boat in that game.

Speaker 1 And I hate what happened to Lewis and how that team, how the fans started going at him. That's horrible.
But anyway, they clearly, the shooting was always a thing. They need to shoot.

Speaker 1 They already got a shooter. Kid from Arizona State transferring, 6'5-wing, could shoot.
They like already addressed one part of their thing that was a loss. So it felt like a free agency.

Speaker 3 Isn't it crazy? Like a lot of these schools now

Speaker 3 are hiring general managers.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they have to. They have to.
So

Speaker 3 you have

Speaker 3 coaches, and we'll just take Marsh Madness, college basketball coaches and GMs that are playing in the tournament, but have eyes and ears and people already looking to

Speaker 3 uphold their or upholster the roster for the following year because they know they're going to have guys that leave and they know there's going to be guys available.

Speaker 3 So that first day of the portal, when you get 500 kids, boom, you already have guys.

Speaker 3 And by the way, you have a coach practicing for a March Madness game while you probably have a GM on the computer doing all their recruiting rankings, reaching out to these kids. It's just, it's crazy

Speaker 3 that that's happening. But that's the way this system is right now.
And it's just,

Speaker 3 the hard part is

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 3 It feels like there's not a lot of loyalty anymore on somebody else. That's what I was going to ask.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like, it's, it's, and, and again, the argument from the athlete's perspective is coaches can leave and take more money and they, they can leave a team. And I get that, right?

Speaker 3 And so now the players have a lot more say, a lot more power. Uh, they can kind of control some of their decisions, which is, which is great.

Speaker 3 But you just don't see like back in the day when you sign a letter of intent, you signed a letter of intent to go play for that school.

Speaker 3 And you were, you were, they were being loyal to you by offering you a scholarship and you were being loyal to them by committing to that school and competing and doing your best and trying to, and it hopes it works out.

Speaker 3 And then in the onset, like maybe you would transfer a couple years in and all of that kind of stuff. And that just doesn't happen anymore.

Speaker 3 And to that point, there was a crazy graphic going around this week. And I want to ask you this a little trivia question.

Speaker 3 Oh, boy. Okay.

Speaker 1 Not ready for this.

Speaker 3 Well, we talk about the portal and just the constant change. So there's 16 teams, right? Sweet 16.

Speaker 3 There was a graphic out there that basically had the starting lineup for each team and where those players started in college. So they could have started at the school they're at and they're still

Speaker 3 from the suite 16. There is one team in the suite 16 where all five starters started at their school and have stayed at their school.
One team.

Speaker 3 Can you guess that team? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 There's a couple teams that have four. Four of the five starters.

Speaker 1 And they're fifth. It's not so much that they went to the end.
They switched schools. They're at other schools.
Yep. Got it.

Speaker 3 One team in the suite 16.

Speaker 1 I'm not confident, but I'm going to say Maryland.

Speaker 3 Nope.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Same conference, though. Big 10.

Speaker 1 I don't even know. I got to pull up who's remaining, too.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you. Tell me, please.

Speaker 3 Purdue. Purdue.
I was going to say.

Speaker 3 So all five starters on Purdue started at Purdue. They haven't left.
Whether freshmen, they have some older guys, too. Michigan State, four of five, started Michigan State.
Duke, actually,

Speaker 1 four of five. That I knew.
I knew Duke wasn't the.

Speaker 3 And then you go into

Speaker 3 some of these teams like BYU, three.

Speaker 1 BYU's got a player coming in next year, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, Houston, three of five. Maryland, I think, two of five.
Based on the five.

Speaker 1 Oh, my guess was terrible. Maryland,

Speaker 3 Tennessee, only two. But there's a couple that all five, or one, like Auburn, I think, just one from Auburn.
The rest of the starters all came from somewhere else, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 It's just crazy. And it goes to the point.
It's like, like, especially in hoops where you can be one and done and all that kind of stuff. It's just.

Speaker 1 So two things for you on this.

Speaker 1 Look, I totally get if you're not getting playing time, but you've, you were a big recruit and you've shown some promise.

Speaker 1 And for whatever reason, you're not getting playing time, you go in the portal. Got it.
I also get the coaching change. Hey, it was this guy brought me here.
It's totally different.

Speaker 1 I'm just new start for me. Great.

Speaker 1 How much, if at all, though, is this really saying, I just could get more money here?

Speaker 1 You know, like, is that, do you think that's becoming a main reason why some of these things, because the playing time part is like tried and true. And in football, I really, really get it.

Speaker 1 You know, you just want to get reps and get seen. Basketball, you know,

Speaker 1 you could still go off on your potential even if you don't get the playing time. I mean, is it as simple as some of these guys just could get more money elsewhere?

Speaker 3 Dude, same as football. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 And that's why we've seen sort of the Cinderella kind of fade this year in the first, you know, like it would just be.

Speaker 1 You got to be careful with that. Cinderella will be dead soon.

Speaker 3 It's the first time since 2007 that there are no teams seeded number 11 or higher in the Sweet 16.

Speaker 3 The top 16 teams in the tournament all won their first round games. That's the first since 2017.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just, to your point, I think a lot of these mid-majors, lower-level schools, you have a really good player.

Speaker 3 It's the same thing in college football.

Speaker 3 And I tell a lot of kids this, if you're a quarterback, especially, or whoever, and it's like to go play for a smaller school, group of five school, compete, start, ball, then, then, then in two years, Georgia's are coming, calling, Oregon are coming, calling, because you have the experience and you're going to go get a bag.

Speaker 3 It's the same thing in basketball.

Speaker 3 I mean, you go out there and play for a mid-level team, a mid-major team, and you average 15 to 20 a game, or you have a nice little tournament where you have one or two good games,

Speaker 1 bro.

Speaker 3 You're getting a payday somewhere else.

Speaker 3 That's what we've seen. That's what we're seeing in the portal now.
It's just wild. Yeah.
So a lot, I think a lot of it, I would say most of it is

Speaker 3 chasing the money and a better opportunity potentially.

Speaker 1 Shout out Wendy's because that was, we gave you 750 fresh moves right there because 750 players went to the portal.

Speaker 1 Before we bring in Raymond Felton, I was, you know, me, I always try to think how I could equate sort of my job and my business into sports. So what, what's like the transfer portal in Hollywood?

Speaker 1 And can there be one? The answer is no, of course. It's a silly thing to think of, but I racked my brain trying to think what would be a good equivalent, and I think I came up with it.

Speaker 1 A transfer portal for characters killed off of shows. Now, here's why they need the transfer portal.
I'm going to bring you quickly through the process of getting killed off a show.

Speaker 1 It's happened to me multiple times.

Speaker 3 Josie got killed off a show.

Speaker 1 Well, the biggest thing is, you know, with power and power had multiple deaths a week, they bring you in like hard knocks. Courtney Kemp would call me in, say, bring your scripts.

Speaker 1 Like when they're cutting the player on hard knocks, bring your script. You're like, oh, it's happening.
But the biggest thing is, it's not that you can't take another job right away.

Speaker 1 You just got to be really secretive because if we shot my death scene and I take a job the next day and then it gets announced in the trades, oh, Jerry Ferrara is on the office.

Speaker 1 You could kind of say, oh, we know he's getting killed off power then. It tips the ending off.
So a lot of times they want you to wait to take a job and really do a good job about not announcing it.

Speaker 1 I think a transfer portal for characters killed off would be a good, easy way with rules written in to transition on another show.

Speaker 3 So what show, what show would you go to?

Speaker 1 Like when I was getting killed off power. And

Speaker 1 if I was getting, let's see, I mean, it might have been nice to pop up on, I don't know, like a handmaid's tail or something, something dark. I don't know.
Keep the show going.

Speaker 1 It's a good show, man.

Speaker 1 Maybe pop up on Ted Lasso, even though there's only two shows.

Speaker 3 He just went from Handmaid's Tail to Ted Lasso.

Speaker 1 I'm just trying to think of the last two shows I watched while Power was on. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I'll watch a White Lotus right now. That's good.

Speaker 1 We'll do a White Lotus recap at some point.

Speaker 3 We should start doing recaps on here.

Speaker 3 I binge the last show.

Speaker 1 White Lotus is at all-time HBO. Are you caught up on White Lotus?

Speaker 3 No, I'm not. So that's kidding.

Speaker 1 I've only

Speaker 1 talk later. I guarantee you'll watch it and you will text me.

Speaker 3 I've been trying to get like everyone's talking about it online, so I'm trying not to look into what happens. I don't know anything that happens.
We've only watched two episodes, so we're fine.

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Speaker 1 All right, thanks for joining us, right? We were just talking a little bit before you jumped on too.

Speaker 1 I celebrated the 20-year anniversary last year with entourage it was 20 years since entourage started and then we were kind of looking back you're coming up on 20 years since your national championship what you want to say there's something about that number that 20 year number i don't know why it just really started to reflect makes you feel old has it hit you yet that's been 20 years since the national championship yeah man we just um uh early in the year we had our reunion we did it during football season just because a lot of guys coaching and a lot of guys can't move around like that during basketball season so um it was just fun, man, to get back with my old teammates.

Speaker 2 We still keep in contact. We all like brothers.

Speaker 2 We still have our group chat. We keep in contact with each other throughout the year.
But just to get with everybody and see everybody, man,

Speaker 2 it was so real just to relive that moment and just to see videos. And we had like a little slideshow that we did and everything.
So it was fun to see. It was fun for my family to see it.

Speaker 2 Who wasn't there to be a part of it when I was a young buck.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 it was one of those moments where you can never take that from me. That's probably one of my biggest parts of my career is winning that national championship because it's not easy to do.

Speaker 3 It's not easy to do. I remember

Speaker 3 we were in college at the same time. I was at USC.
And

Speaker 3 when you look at USC football, it's a football school. the Cardinal in gold.
It's just something about wearing that jersey. And then you look at all the former players,

Speaker 3 Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lots, and all those guys. I can only, and I'm a, I love basketball.
I grew up playing basketball. My oldest son played basketball forever.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 3 like, what is it like wearing like a North Carolina basketball uniform?

Speaker 3 Like, I just as a fan, I got, I gotta imagine, like, walking around that school, being the starting point guard for a national championship team. It's got to be like pretty electric.

Speaker 1 Best colorway in the, in the, in all,

Speaker 1 man. Best colorway ever.
Best colorway ever.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 one thing I can say man carolina fans is is amazing they uh they travel they everywhere you go i don't care where where i played at when i was in the nba there was always calina fans there there was always fans at the games and um

Speaker 2 it's i don't know man it's just it's it's like a fraternity you know like guys like vince and like even mj you know james worthy um rashed wallace jerry stack i can the list goes on you know even julius peppers was like a real good friend of mine who both played football, you know, and he also played basketball in Carolina.

Speaker 1 He could hoop, right? He could hoop.

Speaker 2 He could really jump out of the gym.

Speaker 3 You should have seen him coming off the edge, though. That shit was scary.

Speaker 2 But, you know, the history goes on, man. And it's just, and it's like a brotherhood.
Like, I could call any of those guys to this day, you know, and I didn't even play with them.

Speaker 2 And it's like, and it's like family, you know, so I think it, it, it means a whole lot more than just the name and, you know, the colors and just the history.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's like a, it's like a big fraternity. You know, we all look out to each other.
We all, you know, like family. I don't care how far it goes back.

Speaker 2 You know, some of these guys I never even played with. Some of these guys I watched playing growing up.
Some of them I never even seen play. I just see clips of them.

Speaker 2 it still it still doesn't matter it's like family man so putting on that jersey and being a part of that is um it's special you know something that is going to be with me for the rest of my life so i had the pleasure of going to a unc duke game uh

Speaker 3 at it but it at duke so i didn't go to chapel hill i was at duke but it was i've been to a lot of sporting events i was it's like this one was a bucket list one and

Speaker 3 do you have any funny any unique stories about that rivalry and i know you played against reddick right yeah and reddick is literally outside of christian leitner like the most i always thought like duke always has you had like Leitner, you had Reddick, you had Grayson Allen, you had like three of the top five, probably most hated college basketball players of all time.

Speaker 3 Do you have any stories playing against JJ or just that rivalry in general?

Speaker 2 Well, no, I really don't have no stories. You know, JJ, you know, me and JJ have been battling with each other ever since high school.
You know, we was in the same McDonald's game,

Speaker 2 just AAU and just going to college, him going to Duke, me going to Carolina, and it's just always been a rivalry and a battle.

Speaker 2 JJ is one of those guys that, you know,

Speaker 2 he didn't really get up under my skin, but I know Jack Emmanuel got up under his skin

Speaker 2 because Jack Emmanuel was on him like white on rice, man.

Speaker 2 But it was fun. You know,

Speaker 2 I think the rivalry and the junk talking and all that stuff really comes from.

Speaker 2 the fans and the students more than more than me. You know what I'm saying? Because actually, you know, Sean Docker is like one of my good friends even to this day.

Speaker 2 um and he went to duke and it was never no no bad blood but when we stepped on the court against each other it was like we wasn't friends it was time to compete and was trying to trying to win the game but um when it comes to jj though you know jj was always one of those guys that you know he could shoot the piss out of the ball and i guess people just didn't like him he always had that little that little arrogant look about him and guys that just just didn't like it but you know it did bother me you know jj cool with me we got a chance to play with each other with the Clippers in the league as well.

Speaker 2 So, you know, everything comes in full circle, man. But that rivalry is like, man, playing in Cameron.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's crazy.
You got the students and the fans on top of you. They can barely, sometimes you take the ball out.
They can touch you on your back. That's how close they are.

Speaker 2 So, but it's fun, though. It's electric.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we talk a lot on this show about rivalries, even at professional sports. And it feels like, look, there's certainly rivalries in professional sports still.

Speaker 1 You got Celtics, Lakers, which they might be on a collision course this year. Who knows?

Speaker 1 But it really does feel like the college level and a lot of that might change now with NIL and transfer portals everywhere. And maybe those rivalries will start to fizzle out.

Speaker 1 But it really does feel like Duke UNC

Speaker 1 is one of the last few remaining that even if you're not a fan of either of the two teams, you're still putting that game on.

Speaker 1 I want to ask you, though, just going back to how aware were you guys as players, has this even come up when, like, you know, you know, Coach Roy Williams, you know, he hadn't gotten that monkey off his back of winning a title like is that something that any you know you guys are all young players at the time like is that ever even discussed like getting coaches first or just you're just so locked in on the mission at hand because i feel like i would know like this guy's been at it for so long he's never i we want to be the team to get him that first one no question i mean that that that was definitely part of it you know we wanted to do it for the school we wanted to do it for ourselves we wanted to do it for our families and of course definitely wanted to do it for coach you know because he's been there and he he could never get over that hump.

Speaker 2 So to be able to be a part of that first team to get him his first, you know, national championship, I mean, that's, you know, all of them is going to be special to him.

Speaker 2 All of them, all the players are going to be special to him. But I think the one that he got with us is going to be always stuck in his mind and his head because, you know,

Speaker 2 it was his first one. And

Speaker 2 it was a beautiful run, man.

Speaker 2 It was tough, you know, battling against Michigan State in that Final Four and then going playing against Illinois in that championship game with a lot of talented great game, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, right, that was such a good game. I, I, I, I watched some of it back, and I will have to admit, Raymond, I did look back at the Villanova game.
All right,

Speaker 1 have you looked, though, only because it's so funny all these years later, right? Allen Ray in the travel. I don't know how often you've been asked that, and you're, but I watched it 10 times.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to figure out, man, by

Speaker 1 like NBA standards now, this isn't even like, this isn't even close. Like, have you even, have you seen, when's the last time you even seen that play?

Speaker 1 Because it wasn't, you got, I think you guys win anyway. I really do.
I don't think that was like the deciding factor of the game.

Speaker 1 But at the time, I remember being a kid watching it and like, yeah, he kind of took an extra half step there, which now that's not even debated. That's no travel, right?

Speaker 2 Right, right, right. I mean,

Speaker 2 it was a, it was a big play. It was a, it was definitely a

Speaker 2 gussie call, but hey, listen, I'm glad he made it, you know, because I got in foul trouble that that game and I

Speaker 2 found out. But, you know,

Speaker 2 my guy, Melvin Scott, he stepped up and he hit four free throws to steal the game to win the game at the end right there.

Speaker 2 So, you know, one thing I tell people, man, no matter, you know, who, who's supposed to be the best player on the team, who's supposed to be the man, who's supposed to be what, and always be somebody that...

Speaker 2 That comes off the bench or don't play as many minutes that steps up in order for you to win the championship. All of that stuff happens, man.

Speaker 2 Injuries, everybody being healthy, all kinds of stuff mix into that. And I think, you know, it was just, it was just, it was just God's plan for us to win it that year.

Speaker 2 Everything just came in our favor. Everything was working for us.
We was playing great basketball. We was locked in.
You know, it was just, you know, a blessing, a blessing for us, man, for real.

Speaker 1 What I saw, now, look, I'm, again, admittedly, huge Knicks fan. So I know a lot about your career.
You're one of my favorite Knicks. So I start looking at that McDonald's gay.

Speaker 1 I see you in the dunk contest, man. This is what I'm saying.
We don't

Speaker 1 normal civilian fans don't realize because Raymond Felton is just not dunking four times a game in the NBA. You think like, oh, he probably doesn't really have a dunk package.

Speaker 1 I saw some of the duck, man.

Speaker 1 You should have dunked more in the NBA. You throwing it down.

Speaker 2 Well, you know,

Speaker 2 I did used to have a pretty, I actually had a 42-inch vertical.

Speaker 2 42?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I could, I could, I could really, I could really get up but yeah once i got into the league man listen when you get knocked out the air by shaquille o'neal and you know dwight howard andrew bynum some of these big dudes that was in the league at the time when i first got in the league when you get knocked out the air trying to go dunk you learn to shoot a floater

Speaker 2 You learn to shoot a floater. So there ain't no more dunking.
There ain't no more trying to jump. Like these guys like John Morant and Anthony Edwards, these young guys now.

Speaker 1 Scary.

Speaker 2 Man, the way they get up now and jumping like that, I would like to have seen how they did that with Shaq and those guys is up under that rim.

Speaker 3 So like we, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago when, and there was a lot of talk about the NBA All-Star game and just

Speaker 3 how you fix it, how you don't, what's wrong with it. I'm more curious for the dunk contest because you were a dunker back in the day.

Speaker 3 Why don't the Anthony Edwards of the world, Job Morantz of the world, some of these high flyers, why don't they, like, why don't they enter the dunk contest?

Speaker 3 Like it it used to be, because back in the day, I mean, LeBron's never done it, I don't think, right? Kobe did it.

Speaker 1 Vince Carmen is the greatest.

Speaker 3 Like, we just don't see the faces of the NBA that can get up do that. Why is that?

Speaker 2 I have no clue. That's something that I always,

Speaker 2 I've always asked and always just be like, like, just why? And I never really got a legit answer. But

Speaker 2 I don't know. I would love to see that.
I would love to see John Morant, Anthony Edwards, Zaya Williamson,

Speaker 2 Zach Levine. Like, I would like to see a dunk contest, Aaron Gordon, you know, these guys who can really fly.

Speaker 2 I would like to see a dunk contest with those, all of them in just one contest, just to see what happens.

Speaker 3 Jerry, I've always wondered what it was like to, because I could dunk back in the day, but I always had, I had like the lazy hops.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have like that little,

Speaker 1 yeah. I mean, you aren't like throwing away.

Speaker 3 I was always, I've always wondered what it's like to like dunk on somebody and all, like, what it's like to run a 4-4, like, just what it's like to be fast.

Speaker 3 That's it. As an athlete, I was a pretty good athlete, but I never, I didn't have any fast.

Speaker 3 I didn't have any fat, I didn't have any fast Twitch, though.

Speaker 1 That's for sure. You know what I wanted to ask you, too, before we dive into some other NBA stuff.
So,

Speaker 1 you know, we're talking about JJ, and I kind of came to this thought the other day, but I was just wondering from your perspective, someone who played the game at the highest level, right? So

Speaker 1 JJ's in year one. Is it any kind of an advantage?

Speaker 1 And I know we saw it with Steve Nash, who was relatively recently retired. You know, like JJ has played against 80% of the current NBA, right? He's only been out of the game two years.

Speaker 1 You know, I guess from a player perspective and from a coaching perspective, do you think that's any sort of advantage that he's played against these guys within the last three years?

Speaker 1 I always wonder that. Like he's drawn up plays with guys.
Obviously, he knows LeBron, but he's coached. He's played against Jason Tatum.
He played in Dallas with Luca.

Speaker 1 Like, he's played in the NBA recently.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think that helps with relationship-wise. I think it helps with a level of respect that you have with each other because, you know, you are literally a player's coach.

Speaker 2 But I just, you know, it also helps that you got LeBron James on your team, too.

Speaker 1 Right. Very helpful.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That helps a lot because, you know, just the things he could do, the things he's doing at the age of 40. Like, listen, it hurt to get up this morning.

Speaker 2 So to see him do that at the same age that I am right now is nothing but amazing. But I think JJ is doing a great job.

Speaker 2 I think he's a really good X and O

Speaker 2 guy that droves up some good plays and he makes good adjustments

Speaker 2 in games,

Speaker 2 before games.

Speaker 2 It'll be interesting to see what he does, you know, over the next few years. But I think he's doing a great job so far.

Speaker 2 By far having a good year uh as a first coach you know and i think you know with his knowledge of the game i think he'd be fine though

Speaker 3 you you mentioned a little bit ago uh shaq and just some of the old school big guys and um there's a lot of chatter about the eras right and and i i think tim hardaway was on i think gilbert's podcast just roasting the dudes like literally like swaggy who's my boy from se to his face like these guys just like you couldn't play you guys suck blah blah blah um you i mean you played in this current era but you you had a cross right because you played against shaq you played against some of those got kobe in the mid 2000s where do you stand on this whole era debate on whether or not the old school guys could play in today's game, which is a lot more open and fast and shooting threes and all that, or whether or not the current guys are, you know, quote unquote, tough enough to play back in the 80s and 90s.

Speaker 3 Where do you stand on that side?

Speaker 3 i'm just fascinated by it because i love like i grew up laker i'm a diehard laker fan i grew up you know the shaq and kobe era even showtime i was a little kid but like i i just it was different back then like everything was through the center and it was more physical felt like today it's just a different game today

Speaker 2 um well put like this

Speaker 2 professionals are professionals athletes are athletes of course and i think you know back in the day was very physical the game was totally different than what it is now It was a lot of just pound the ball in the paint, get the ball into posts, come off pins, pin downs,

Speaker 2 you know, ball screens. And just, there was more physical guards back then.

Speaker 2 You know, when I came in the league, point guards like Chauncey Billips and, you know, Andre Miller and, you know, these guys were physical dudes who would post you up.

Speaker 2 And just, you know, the game is a whole lot different now. You know, point guards now are scoring 30 points a game and, you know, shooting threes from half court.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, the game has just evolved and the game is different.

Speaker 2 Now, to say that, you know, these young guys couldn't play back then, no, I can't say that because, you know, these guys are very talented, very athletic, and very skilled.

Speaker 2 But to say that these older guys couldn't play now is absurd because these dudes was physical, they was mean, and they was talented, and they was skilled. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 So I think a lot of the old school guys think that the game is soft now, which the game is. You know,

Speaker 2 they do, you know,

Speaker 2 they can't touch no more.

Speaker 1 Just the fouls, man. Yeah, like, fouls all the time.
Just letting them get down.

Speaker 2 You might get a flagrant and get thrown out the game. Dudes will get knocked out the air left and right back in the day.

Speaker 2 Like, in the 80s, Bill Lembeer just come and just.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 Bill Lembeer would probably be banned from the league at this point.

Speaker 1 He wouldn't be in the league. And there wouldn't be no Bill Beer here right now.

Speaker 2 He's banned from the league at this point.

Speaker 3 Who was the toughest? I mean, because like Ben Wallace, I'm trying to think of back. Like, Ben Wallace was a dog inside.
Like, Rashid was nasty. Like who was a physical team?

Speaker 1 Those grizzly teams

Speaker 1 probably weren't fun.

Speaker 3 Zach Randolph.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the most physical team was probably back when I played the most physical team was, yeah, by far Detroit.

Speaker 1 Detroit. As far as their defense.

Speaker 2 But even with them being physical,

Speaker 2 it wasn't like a nasty physical like the old Detroit bad boys.

Speaker 1 Right. They were basically.

Speaker 2 Yeah, old Detroit would beat you up. It wasn't like that.
Then you got,

Speaker 2 you know, Indiana, too. Indiana was like that as well with Ron Artes and all those guys.
You know, those guys were really physical, you know, played a lot of great, hard defense.

Speaker 2 But yeah, to answer your question, man,

Speaker 2 I don't believe that

Speaker 2 neither one could not play in the era. Like, I feel like the young guys could play then.
I feel like the older guys could play now. So that's.

Speaker 1 You just would have had so much more space to operate, you know? Like, even if you look at, you know, I know your game well from watching you in the NBA and

Speaker 1 you just would have had so much more room. So I just could look at all your score.

Speaker 1 You just would have scored way more because this would have been more space, I feel like, you know, more space, and then nobody couldn't really touch me.

Speaker 2 And I was a right. I like to play physical.
So

Speaker 2 just with,

Speaker 2 and I know a lot of people don't like this debate when it comes to MJ and LeBron. You know, to me,

Speaker 2 they both are GOATs. You know, MJ is mine because that's who I grew up watching.
Of course. You know what I'm saying? But they both are GOATs.

Speaker 2 But if MJ played in this time, where they could be physical with him, then I mean, who, who, tell how many points this man would have had or how many points?

Speaker 1 38 of games.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. So, I mean,

Speaker 2 the game is different, and that's all I can say. The game is different now.
You know, they score way more points.

Speaker 2 It was unheard of to see two teams score over 140 points in a game.

Speaker 1 We got Tom Thibodeau and the New York Knicks scoring 140, man.

Speaker 1 That's a box score I never thought I would see. A Tom Thibodeau Coach Team scoring 140 points.
I just never thought I'd see that in my lifetime.

Speaker 3 Exactly. Exactly.
Where do you, Raymond, where do you put Kobe in that conversation? Because I feel like

Speaker 3 I'm like MJ, Kobe, and LeBron is great, clearly, what he's been able to do.

Speaker 3 But I just, I don't know if Kobe doesn't get enough credit or he does get, because I've seen a lot of guys come up and say Kobe was a top, is closest to MJ than anybody.

Speaker 3 And I had some people who don't even have him in his top 10. That's crazy.
You played him. I mean, that was the same era.
Like, where does he stack up against basically those two guys, right?

Speaker 3 That's the debate.

Speaker 2 To me, he's number two.

Speaker 2 That's my opinion. To me, he's right behind MJ, you know, for what he's done to the game.
And like you said, just a second ago, he's the closest thing to MJ. He's the closest things to it.

Speaker 2 Just his work ethic, the way he puts into the game, you know, the way he studied the game, student of the game, always learning.

Speaker 2 Like MJ said, he always used to call him and ask him questions trying to get better um

Speaker 2 and just what he's done for the game and what he's done during during his time of playing i mean what what can you really what can you really say man for somebody to say that he's not in their top 10 that's crazy

Speaker 1 i don't know who i think

Speaker 3 jerry jerry barely had him in the top five i think that's not true yes it is you realize you said that i'm just older than you so i remember magic and bird a little more than you because i'm older but like i feel like if you look at jordan kobe like tiger and even oh you're going all sports now no i'm just i'm just thinking and lebron and this isn't even a slide like we always talk about the killer instinct and like the greatest greatest greatest greatest athletes like those four in my opinion are like the greatest athletes and like i put serena up there and you gretzky like you have all these guys but like that killer instinct is just like you either have like tom brady played to 45 and like people could say he was i trained with, people would say, oh, he wasn't a great athlete.

Speaker 3 He was an absolute just psychopath when it came to, like, I want to be the best of all time.

Speaker 3 That's to me what Kobe was. You know, it's like, he was a psychopath.
And you hear stories talking about like the guys that played with him and his work ethic and all that.

Speaker 3 It's like, he, to me, he's, yeah, MJ's 1A and he's 1B. It's not even close.

Speaker 2 I totally agree with you.

Speaker 1 That's some LA roots, too. We're going to, we got to talk about some New York things for us.

Speaker 3 You probably put Jalen Brunson in your top five, right?

Speaker 1 Of course. Of course.

Speaker 1 Well, speaking of Brunson,

Speaker 1 I do that too.

Speaker 1 So, you know, diehard Knick fan. I very, very happy with Brunson and all that.
But I've always said this is something like on all my Knicks group chats, and I'm in 10 million of them, right?

Speaker 1 Even before Brunson, it was like.

Speaker 1 Who was the last point guard the Knicks had? It's like, it's easy. It's obvious.
It's Raymond Felton.

Speaker 1 That's the last point guard before Brunson that we Knick fans had that felt like real leadership, all the things you want out of a top point card.

Speaker 1 So you get to the Knicks and you were balling, man, balling, right? And I'm still like, don't know how to feel about the Mellow trade because I love Mellow and, you know,

Speaker 1 one of the great Knicks, but like.

Speaker 1 was kind of shortchanged because he didn't have a ton of weapons around him because most of the weapons went in the damn trade.

Speaker 1 So like, all I can say is as a Knicks fan, I was super happy to get Mellow, but I remember being a little younger saying, like, but he's got to play with Felton, man. That's like the whole point.

Speaker 1 So, like, I don't want to go too far back in the past and make you relive that stuff, but like

Speaker 1 before that trade happened, were you really feeling like New York was home for you? Because you know how it is in New York, too. When we, when we latch on to a player, man, that love lasts forever.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, forever.

Speaker 2 Listen, I still get love to this day from New York, from the fans. And when I go, when I go out there and go to games and stuff,

Speaker 2 that trade, man, I think that's the one trade I think hurt, that hurt because

Speaker 2 it was my first, actually my first time getting traded. And

Speaker 2 I was having such a great year, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were like 18 and 10.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. I think I got snubbed from the R-Star game that year.
You know, I thought I was going to make it and got snubbed. And just, you know, just having a great year in a big city.

Speaker 2 And, you know, if you went to New York, you know how it goes. You went to New York, man.
New York loves you, man.

Speaker 2 It was beautiful.

Speaker 2 So, you know, when they was talking about getting mellow, I was like, okay, you know, we're going to have a chance to win this thing, you know, because we was already like top five, top six

Speaker 2 in the east at that, at that time, you know, but you add a guy like Mello to that team and he'd still be able to keep some pieces. I said, we're going to, we're going to have a shot.

Speaker 2 So I wasn't even in that trade, you know, at the beginning.

Speaker 2 I got thrown in the trade the last minute and I was just like, oh my damn,

Speaker 2 it hurt. And I ended up coming back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, yeah, I will talk. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, after that, but it hurt, man. It was just, it was just one of those moments where it was just like,

Speaker 2 you know, I still, you know, I did, I did what I had to do when I got to Dilver.

Speaker 2 But it was just like, it was just, it was just, just unhappiness because, you know, I just didn't want to leave New York. You know, it was just good times and it was fun.
It was fun.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, like, so you represent for a lot of Nick fans, like this kind of last moment up until the recent two, three years of this team, where it's like, the last time we had an all-star level point guard was you.

Speaker 1 And then you come back to the Knicks, right? Now, I don't know if that was like, I don't know how that feels coming back for you. Were you like, okay, I'm finally back.

Speaker 1 Now we can do this thing because that 2013 team wins 54 games.

Speaker 1 That up until, again, the last two, three years, that team, that was the last Knick team to get out of the first round in a year. And like everything kind of collapsed once that team fell apart.

Speaker 1 But you get back to the Knicks. Was that like

Speaker 1 bittersweet? Or is that like, okay, no, I'm back where I belong. Let's, let's run this because now I can play with Mellow and all these guys.

Speaker 2 Right. No, it was, it was one of those situations where I

Speaker 2 wanted to come back and I got the phone call.

Speaker 2 Mellow actually called me. Coach Woodson called me.
And, you know, they signed Jay Kidd. So, and I was, you know, before I even got there.

Speaker 2 And so I was a little iffy about going at first because I'm like, listen, listen, this is Jason Kidd. Like, this is Hall of Famer point guard, somebody that I idoled, somebody that I looked up to.

Speaker 2 And it's like, if he's going there, then, you know, what am I coming there for? You know what I'm saying? And it was just a phone call that I had with him. And, you know, I decided to come.

Speaker 2 And then when I got there, the crazy thing about it, when I got there, and Jason Kidd was just like, this is your team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was like, what?

Speaker 2 He was like, this is your team. We're going to go as you go.
You know,

Speaker 2 you're gonna be the guy who who you're gonna be the leader of this team who gonna run this offense and you know we're gonna go as far as you take this and i was like wow so to get that type of confidence coming back from a guy like jason kidd and him to just learn from him i mean he used to tell me things on the court with plays before i even before i even saw that he would tell me what was going to happen and it happened like so i mean shout out to him man he's just a great coach you know great you know teammate just an all-around great person, man.

Speaker 2 You know, he did a lot for me in that second stint when I came back to New York, man.

Speaker 1 Freaking Roy Hibbert turned into Bill Russell in the second round out of nowhere, man. I don't understand what happened, Matt.

Speaker 1 You probably don't remember because you don't watch much like beat the Celtics easily, J.R. Smith ball, and all of a sudden, just control of the seer.

Speaker 1 And then Roy Hibbert turns into Bill Russell, blocking Mellow at the ring. I've never seen anything like it.
I'm still pissed about. And then Roy Hibbert was gone.
That's it. He did that.

Speaker 1 And then that type of center was like out of the NBA. So mad, Ray.
I'm so mad about it.

Speaker 2 Still. Yeah, me too.
Because I thought we had a chance, man. I felt like we was the one team

Speaker 2 that could compete with Miami because we beat

Speaker 2 three times out of one that year. So, you know, we was one of the teams that I don't think Miami wanted to see that year.

Speaker 3 Stat was on that team.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Stat was on that team.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I used to.

Speaker 1 Tyson Chandler, defensive player of the year. Tyson Chandler, yeah.
I was in Arizona

Speaker 3 when Stat was in Phoenix, man. Those Phoenix.

Speaker 3 It was probably around. When did Stat go to Phoenix after New York?

Speaker 1 No, no. He was there before.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Came up with Nash. Okay, that's right.
And then he signed.

Speaker 3 No, it was like Nash, Boris, D.I.U. They had, they had a Barbosa.
They were like running. With Dan Tony.
You played for Dan Tony. No.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was the first time I came to New York.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is all that true with Dan Tony?

Speaker 1 I forget. There's like this urban legend story, which you never know is true where they're like, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if it was a Knicks or a Suns team where he's like drawing up plays and like one of the players like, Coach, what about defense? It's like, Don't worry about it, just outscore him.

Speaker 1 Was he really that offensive mind? I mean, I'm sure he talked defense with you guys, but he goes down as like an offensive guru, you know?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, he's an offensive

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 wizard. It's crazy.
Yeah, you know, the things he can draw, the way his offense goes.

Speaker 2 You know, if you, if you a guard, if you a guard in his offense or point guard of his offense, you're going to have some of your best numbers, your best,

Speaker 2 you know, playing up under him. Um, but as far as defense, you you know, you know, like everybody has a defensive coach.

Speaker 2 So Coach Mike Wilson was actually the defensive coach on that team, which was crazy. And he ended up being the head coach.
Right. Next time I came, I came back around.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 2 and it's so funny is that I've known coach, I've known Coach Mike D'Antoni even when I was in high school because his brother, Dan D'Antoni, was my AU coach.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? He's an offensive dude, too, right?

Speaker 2 Yes, he is.

Speaker 1 Yes, he is. Wow.

Speaker 3 Just run run and gun, man. Just run and gun.

Speaker 3 I'm curious because we talked before you jumped on a little bit about

Speaker 3 club hoops. And I've witnessed it kind of firsthand at like the

Speaker 3 made hoops tournament. And then my son flirted with a little bit of EYBL.
But

Speaker 3 do you teach, because you coach, and do you teach, because the game has changed so much. We talked about earlier where it was, you know, center-driven.

Speaker 3 You throw it in the post and you work around a big. And obviously that now the bigs are shooting threes and they can, you know, they can run the point and all that.

Speaker 3 How do you teach the game to your kids? Curiously, because when I, when I teach quarterback, it's hard now because the game is run out of the shotgun and the game is run of the RPO that you hear.

Speaker 3 And it's not as much under center with the old school play action, which I still believe we all know this, like you still make your money and win games from playing within the tackles, throwing the football.

Speaker 3 What is your perspective and approach on coaching like the next generation of kids?

Speaker 2 These generation of kids are definitely different, but I think, you know, as teachers and as coaches, we still have to still teach these kids the basics, you know.

Speaker 2 And I think when you look at a lot of these kids now, they are very talented. They're probably way more talented, way more athletic than we were.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 the thing we knew about the game is we knew the basics. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 So if you could put us in any type of offense and we we could survive we knew how to play that's why you see a lot of these kids now they struggle now because a lot of them don't really understand how to play they just right off raw talent raw athleticism you know saying and i think with me as a coach what i do i still teach the basics i teach the little small things you know these kids now want to just come out and do a straight step back on the three

Speaker 2 i'm like no that's that's that's not realistic

Speaker 1 screwed everything up.

Speaker 3 That's my oldest son's only move to step back.

Speaker 1 Steph Carry screwed everything up.

Speaker 1 I begged him to go in the post.

Speaker 3 I begged him to go in the post. I was like, dude, you're a 6'4 guard.
You're big and strong. The dude's guarding you might be like, but like, you're big.
Use your body.

Speaker 3 And like, look at I would always say, like, Kobe's game. Kobe would go in the post as much.
Like, it's just, it's so, it bothers me, man.

Speaker 1 You're too old, Matt. You're too old, bro.

Speaker 3 Dude, that's like me and Jerry, man. When we play the 40-year-old pickup, like, I'm, I'm, by the way, I ain't go to the post no more.
I just shoot outside because I don't want to get fouled.

Speaker 3 But I'm saying, like, the post is like the old school,

Speaker 1 man. These kids don't know.

Speaker 3 They don't know.

Speaker 2 Nah, they don't, man. But, you know,

Speaker 2 I just, you know, I can relate to the kids because I was able to play in both, in both eras.

Speaker 2 But at the same time, like, I still have to be, you guys still got to be firm with these kids because, you know, a lot of a lot of these kids now, unfortunately, you know, they're spoiled.

Speaker 2 You know, they didn't come up and was raised the way we was. So, you know, these kids now are spoiled.
They're a little softer than we are in certain ways. And I don't mean softer, sensitive.

Speaker 2 Let me say that word. They're a little more sensitive than we are.
By far. You know, and, you know, we didn't have transfer portals and, you know, these,

Speaker 2 I love the NIL deal part of it. And the transfer part, I really don't like because, you know.

Speaker 2 A kid now, if you hard on a kid and you holding the kid accountable, if you don't like it, now I'm leaving the school.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 that you're not gonna get better that way you know i i don't i don't i don't like that part of it but it is what it is but we just gotta continue to just keep keep teaching these kids the basics man and really staying on them and really teaching them how to play basketball rather than just throwing the ball out there and just say look

Speaker 2 who who's the most talented that's who's going to win this game you know that that ain't gonna work when they get in college that ain't gonna work when you get into the the nba or even overseas you know what i'm saying so you got to really just teach them the basics

Speaker 3 all a lot of a lot of i was laughing because a lot of people asked me about nil and i'm i'm all for it and we shout out the o'bannon brothers man because they really they spearheaded the whole thing um

Speaker 3 everyone used to say i took a pay cut from going to usc to the nfl what

Speaker 3 you probably did you probably well what that's bullshit i didn't but i mean i can't speak for other guys but what what was uh was there you know any story you could tell about i mean i can i can only imagine 20 years later because we can we can speak freely about this now because we can't get in trouble being a north carolina basketball player had to be had to come with its perks oh 100

Speaker 2 i was put i was okay in college put like that

Speaker 1 you good

Speaker 2 i was good i was i was i was okay in college i i didn't have i didn't have too many worries when i was in college i'll put it like that um those are now though and these nil deals now

Speaker 2 it's crazy but you guys would have you guys would have cleaned up the two of you i'm i'm i'm at i'm i'm acting like aj the the number one kid in the country that went to b y i need

Speaker 2 i need seven million no no i'm kidding it is i hear some of these stories and listen i love the game so much for it's wild i love the game so much man i was just just i i was just grateful and happy to go to carolina and i was the number one player in the country coming out of high school i was the name smith national player of the year and high school that year in 2002 and i just wasn't on that type of time.

Speaker 2 I was just grateful, just a little kid out of Lada, South Carolina, that was just grateful to be in a situation I was in to go to school and play college ball at a dream school and had an opportunity to, you know, better myself there and possibly get to the NBA.

Speaker 2 And that's all my focus was. I really wasn't thinking about how much money I could get or, you know, anything.
And the great thing,

Speaker 2 my parents wasn't like that too.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm not going to call the school out, but we was offered millions of dollars, you know, from another school, you know, plus a house, plus cars, all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 And my mama just looked at me and said, where do you want to go? And I said, I want to go to Carolina. And she said, okay.
And they turned the deal down. That's great.
Yeah, they turned the deal down.

Speaker 2 And ended up working out for all of us, you know, at the end. So, you know, it's...

Speaker 2 It's one of those things now, man, where the game is just not the same no more. You know, you have, you know, parents out here selling their kids for money.

Speaker 2 Even in the AAU game, man, I'm dealing with that now in the AAU. The teams are offering people money, kids' money, families' money, to get their kid to just come play for their team.

Speaker 2 And to me, what I'm telling parents is, what is that teaching your kid to not caring about whether these kids are learning, how these kids are developing? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 And I'm just not with that. I don't like that.

Speaker 3 I remember one kid. I remember, I think it was seventh grade or eighth grade, where it made hoops.
And

Speaker 3 i think before like the third the third stop like you could you could switch a team or whatever and then after the third whatever you couldn't i remember seeing a kid literally play for three different teams in one day and he was i don't remember but he was a top kid and he would just take his jersey off he'd go throw that and i was like what the

Speaker 3 what's going on it was the same it was just like parents like these coaches are poaching the kids or prop there's probably some some handshakes going on to get the kid to come play for him and i was like man like to your point rayman like the parent, the parents are almost just as bad.

Speaker 3 Not all the parents, and you're lucky, obviously, you're a great one, but like, like, they're not all like that. And it's, it's, it's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 So, yes, it is.

Speaker 1 Yes, it is. Well, before Jerry, yeah, totally, that's all very unrelatable to me.
I no one ever offered me money to play anywhere or anything. I don't think they're going to offer my kids anyway.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to be a good sports parent because my kid's going to be playing, you know, we're going to just be talking about playing time.

Speaker 1 Last thing, Raymond, then we're going to let you go.

Speaker 1 So, for you,

Speaker 1 your

Speaker 1 all-time UNC team, you could put yourself on there, you could leave yourself off.

Speaker 1 We're talking about the UNC greats, and again, it could be guys you played with that some of us might not put on there. But who's your North Carolina five?

Speaker 1 Oh, that's tough. Can you go any direction?

Speaker 2 No, no, no, it's tough. Um, for me, point guard, I'm gonna go with Phil Ford.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 great, I told you, Jerry. I told you,

Speaker 2 go with Phil Ford. Um, two, I'm gonna go with

Speaker 2 obviously MJ at the two board.

Speaker 3 I'm going with MJ.

Speaker 2 Now, the three spot is where it gets tricky.

Speaker 3 That's tough.

Speaker 2 You know, three spots where it gets tricky because you can go,

Speaker 1 man, you can go Vince.

Speaker 2 You can go Jerry Stackhouse. You can go.

Speaker 1 Top. That's probably the toughest spot.
You're right.

Speaker 2 Man, you can go so many places, but

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with Vince at

Speaker 2 my three.

Speaker 2 The four is tough, too, because you got my big bro, Rasheed. sheed got my big bro antoine jameson

Speaker 2 you know you got uh james worthy james worthy yeah that's tough james worthy uh

Speaker 2 but for me if i just had to choose one just off the history just off you know what i know about you know james worthy i'm gonna go with him at the four spot and then for me at the five spot I know

Speaker 2 when I said this before, a lot of people was like, oh, you ain't going to go with Tyler Hansborough?

Speaker 2 I like Tyler. You know, I think he's a great player.
He did a lot of great stuff in college basketball. But for me, I'm going with my big fella at the five spot.
I'm going with Big Sean May.

Speaker 1 Big Sean May. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm going with my guy.
That's a great guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 I'm going my guy.

Speaker 1 That's a great squad.

Speaker 3 I had Hansborough in there.

Speaker 1 Hansborough was a dog.

Speaker 1 I'm with Relton, man. In college, he was a huge guy.

Speaker 3 Anytime you got bloodied, you're just bloodied and you're just bodying people out there.

Speaker 1 Obviously, you you can't go wrong picking James Worthy. He is one of the best players.
But like,

Speaker 1 I love the way the legend of Rashid Wallace continues to grow. Like, even former NBA players talk about just

Speaker 1 guys who would have thrived today.

Speaker 1 We had that conversation of what guy back then. Like,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 2 Rashid Wallace.

Speaker 1 He had the whole pat, he had everything. He shoots threes before big men shot threes.

Speaker 2 And can shoot threes.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. His left hand.

Speaker 2 Left hand just as good as his right just as good as his right i'm so serious listen i was playing for the bobcats and that's when detroit was detroit right and they was beating us so bad that he shot he started shooting threes left-handed and he hit and he hit like three in a row it's we could i gotta see if we can find this footage that's crazy he was shooting threes left-handed man it was man it was bad it was bad

Speaker 1 Can't thank you

Speaker 1 one of my favorite players to watch over the years.

Speaker 2 I appreciate it, man. I appreciate y'all, man.
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it. Thank you, Ray.
All right. Should we do some mailbag now? That was awesome.
That Raymond Felton stopped off. Still, I just still will never be over the mellow tree.

Speaker 1 I know we talked about it in the interview. It's still,

Speaker 1 that's like the big what if for Knick fans. But anyway, we'll.

Speaker 3 You've just been haunted being a New York fan your whole life. Yeah, it's, it's, I'll bring you to the, you're, you're, you're a pseudo LA guy, too, though.

Speaker 1 I never, I never caught on to any LA team. I enjoyed watching Kobe and the Lakers all those years, like as a fan.
I went to a lot of games. Can't get into the Kings.

Speaker 1 Rams weren't even there when I was living in LA and definitely not rooting for any LA football.

Speaker 3 It's not a football town anymore.

Speaker 1 It's not.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do some mailbag stuff because that's been working.

Speaker 1 I think I pulled two good ones. You want me to take, I could take the first, you take the second? Yeah, what do you got? All right.

Speaker 1 We're going to go to Leonard in Detroit, who is probably happy that the Pistons are doing well. But he says, Jerry, there are a lot of big-time cameos and entourage over the years.

Speaker 1 years any of them cause you to feel starstruck

Speaker 1 i think you talked about that once right a little was it phil was it phil well phil was definitely

Speaker 1 it was starstruck early but then we he's so good at like disarming you and like being normal dude we played some golf too while he was shooting so that went the brady thing was definitely a little starstruck at the time because

Speaker 1 Also, the way he came in. But again, that went quick.
Kanye didn't have me starstruck. And again, this is Kanye 15 years ago.

Speaker 1 There was a moment there where he was like so late, we wondered if he was just going to, if he was coming at all for his cameo. I will say the one that got me a little bit was Matt Damon.

Speaker 1 Matt Damon got me a little bit. Also, it was like Matt Damon, LeBron James, and Bono all shot on the same day.

Speaker 1 So that, and even some of the scenes I wasn't in, I said, I have to show up for some of these scenes.

Speaker 1 This is like one, but when you look at a call sheet, you you know, I'll give you the scenes for the day and the time. And it's like, yeah, first up, it's Matt Damon and LeBron James.

Speaker 1 And then second up, we have this quick thing with Bono. And then we're finishing with this like Matt Damon meltdown scene that he's going to improv.
I'm like, I got to, I got to show up.

Speaker 1 You know, it's for the kids, Vince. It's for the kids.
That's those famous lies. It's for the kids, Vince.
I love it. All right.

Speaker 3 David Orlando, saw your guys build your perfect quarterback video on Instagram the other day where you were allowed to use quarterbacks from any era. Now do it.
just the quarterbacks playing today.

Speaker 1 I got a lot of heat for mine. My Peyton Manning accuracy for all time.
I got a lot of heat. No, you did.

Speaker 3 Well, no, you put Eli Manning in there for clutch.

Speaker 1 Yes, I got more heat for Peyton for accuracy.

Speaker 1 I got a lot of heat.

Speaker 3 Okay, arm strength.

Speaker 3 I'm going to go Josh Allen. I'll just build mine really quick.
Arm strength, Josh Allen, accuracy. I'll go Tua.
Athleticism, I'll go Lamar.

Speaker 3 Clutch Factor, I'll go, because I want to make this different. Clutch Factor, I'll go Joey B.

Speaker 3 And then overall, I'll go Patty Mahomes.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go super specific. You're going to hate this.
You are going to absolutely hate it.

Speaker 3 You're going to go Daniel Jones, Eli Manning, Armstrong, Tommy DeVito, Russell Wilson, and now Jade Swinston.

Speaker 1 Hey, wait, we might still sign Aaron Rodgers, too. And Aaron Rodgers and Shador.
And then John Dar Sanders for hosting. Aaron Rodgers draft Shador, six quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 It's like what people do in a fantasy draft. They draft all quarterbacks and they build their team to trade.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Arm strength. We've heard all about it.
Why not put Joe? Why not Joe Milton for arms? Just arm strength. We're only talking about the strength of one's arm.
Joe Milton.

Speaker 1 Just keep going, dude. Accuracy.

Speaker 1 I know he's only a rookie going into his second year. It's hard to overlook Jaden Daniels when you're talking accuracy.
Dude, putting it pinpoint accuracy. Athleticism.

Speaker 1 Love Lamar. You have to take Lamar.
I still don't want him taking too many hits, but you were right on that. Clutch factor.
Look, you ready for this? This is going to be a controversial take.

Speaker 1 Who was more clutch in the biggest game of the year than Jalen Hurts this year?

Speaker 3 Love it.

Speaker 1 So, how do you ignore that? I'm giving

Speaker 1 you some flowers. And overall, that's where I put in the Josh Allen because Josh Allen has just enough of all of these things that I think Josh Allen's a good overall.
Good question, though, David.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it. All right.
All right. Well, let's get some more.
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Speaker 1 Next week. Next week.
Bro.

Speaker 3 We can't even say it, but you are so fucking excited.

Speaker 1 In the words of DJ Khaled,

Speaker 1 let's golf.